THE FUTURE OF INDIAN CRICKET TEAM

I am sure all Indian supporters must be very sad by the performance of the Indian cricket team. Not so long ago the Indian team was ranked by the ICC as no. ONE test playing nation and they lost 4 test matches in a row in England and lost one in Australia and they are on the verge of losing the second test too. That will make six consecutive losses.

Most Indian supporters and fans are not even watching these test matches anymore because the matches are all one sided and they say they already know the result so what is the point of watching and wasting your time?

There was some hope that India will play well at the Sydney Cricket Ground which is Tendulkar’s happy hunting ground where he has scored a double and three big hundred and in all occasions he has remained not out, so there was a lot of expectation and the media once again hyped up the occasion trying to coincide his 100th 100 with SCG’s centenary.  And, that did not happened, at least not in the first innings.  Tendulkar has one more chance and i.e., in the second innings but, his second innings average is in 30’s and he may not be able to do that and he will carry the burden in the 3rd test.

Although he did not play badly in the first innings, scored 41 runs which are not bad but, by his own standards it is bad especially on this ground but, law of averages and luck is not always in your favour. There are good days and there are bad days and that is happening with him. But, for Indian team especially in test matches, there are no good days.

None of the senior players are playing up to their past potential which means they have past their prime and it is about time to induct new blood. No one is asking for a total change, slow and gradual induction of new blood is always healthy. Because, the new players learn a lot while playing along the senior players.  Tendulkar and Dravid can still continue for a year at least but, Laxman I have my doubts.

Gambhir has so far been a flop in the last 3 innings and it is not likely that he will change all of a sudden, it is not a matter of confidence alone but, it is a matter of technique and experience. His technique against fast bowlers on fast pitches has a flaw he cannot stop himself from edging the ball which is outside the off stump and constantly getting out in the slips cordon.  Besides, he is out of form in the whole of 2011.

Sehwag was in good form until recently and he scored a double hundred in ODI but, in test matches the Australians seems to have gotten him with their speed, rising balls, short pitched deliveries and he is unable to attack freely as they are cramping him and not giving him room to play shots and his footwork is questionable since day one, but he has managed very well despite a lot of criticism but, there is always a time when your hand eye coordination cannot be 100% and without footwork it is very difficult to play accurate shots. So, he is unable to give India the flying start that he normally does. But, that is not a big scare for India.

The big scare is what will be the future of Indian cricket when these three big players viz., Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman will retire? Therefore, it is important to introduce new players from now rather than waiting for a 4-0 whitewash in Australia.  Rohit Sharma can replace Laxman and Rahane can replace Gambir to see if they can contribute something because, the total of Laxman and Gambhir put together in 3 innings is only 21 runs.

So, there is nothing much India will lose if Rohit or Rahane cannot score due to pressure, but they are young and they should not be discouraged if they fail. For India there is nothing to lose if they drop Laxman. Because, if Laxman fails in all 4 matches then he will definitely be axed by the selectors.  So, why not try Rohit now?

Dhoni has proved that he is not a test captain, he is very defensive and he knows nothing about setting an attacking field when it is needed. It was very obvious when Clarke and Ponting were dominating he did not attack, he opted for defense and used all defensive techniques like Kohli and Sehwag were used as bowlers.

India must also think of finding a new captain who is more suited for test cricket and that will save their team from taking a nose dive from number one to number five or six. The future of Indian cricket depends on younger players especially while Tendulkar and Dravid are in the team. It will benefit them a lot otherwise a defensive captain with defensive technique and approach will ultimately ruin the confidence of the team.

I am not writing anything about the bowling because, the Indian bowlers especially Zaheer, Yadev and Ashwin has bowled very well, it is FOR THE FIST TIME THEIR BATTING is letting the team down.

It is up to the bloggers to agree or disagree with my views but, I would certainly like to hear their views and opinions.  I have written what I believe.

“The art of writing is the art of discovering what you believe.”Gustave Flaubert

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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2012 - 4:23 AM

    we have a new thread, please post your comments here.
    Thank you.

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2012 - 4:30 AM

    NewGuy — Good name for the captain —

    Raatain theeN Chandni Dhobi pay thee Bahaar

    Now, there is no Chandni and there is no Bahar only QizaaN for the Dhobi.

  3. #3 by Zen on January 4, 2012 - 8:27 AM

    Hi Jk

    Iam still hibernating butta u called me some I just poped up for a cumment

    IUll be fully active when mishappo potymus locks horn with straw stuff

    butta afew words about India- very poooooor…

    for a stellar batting lineup, not to score 400 in last overseas test inninngs its disgusting

    what a batting a ponting and a clarkie a today

    clarekie may break a few records- focus on was tendulkar

    i analysed whats gone wrong with india and here’s my view

    1. batsmen have definintely aged, bowlers have studied their weakneslike ks ( hi man) saisd tendulkar is vulnerable tio induckers. these batsmen still are basking in their past glory and not realizing skill sometimes vanishes w/o notice. you have to practice.

    2. i think dhobo oh dhoni has been rightly crititciosed butta there is one element we havent touched- batting. This Indian batting lineup is still proteceted by the media and trhe public and all talk is about tendulkar 100 w/o focusing on victories. Main reason for poor overseas performance is batting butta dhobi avoids that bakaz he knows public and media wont take it lightly, so all this diplo garbage about tentaitve starter.. ala bla trying to cover failure of batsmen. Can you believe any international capt being ok with such performance; no butta dhobi is thrusted with a tough cookie and thats india capt. he knows his open criticism will backfire.

    3. Ng says india should be ok with local wins and for the time being forget test crticket and focus on limited overs ckt. butta top teams dont get whitewashed. i mean south africa never loses 4-0 in india or england or australia loses 4-0 in enfland. even if they lose in india its never a whitewash.
    secondly, once you lose in one format you begin to lose in others too. remmeber india lost t20 and odi too in england. so if 4-0 loss occurs here, then they will get pulverized in shorter formats.

    Bottom line wake upo india, say farewell to these buyddfhas

    where is ur misbah buddy? he praises misbah more than indians prise tendulkar or aussies praising bradman

    guys im impressed with clarkie. as a captain he’s delivering. look he made 150 in africa and now 250 here under pressure!

    BTW, top allrounder kallis has 41 senkdras and maybe in 2-3 years he may get 50 centuries and 300 wickets- wooooooooooooooooW!
    thts a towering stat!

    Bye for now; time to rooosttt!

  4. #4 by Zen on January 4, 2012 - 8:30 AM

    And i may add if tendulkar gets the 100 , indian critics and media will also roosttt………

    OM……
    OM……….
    OM…………………..

    and nobody will talk about two whitewashes or belak washes

    so perhaps zardair has cut a deal. 4-0 to australia and 100 to tendulkar ;)

    butta india may still create an upset like kolkata- who knows

    rooost time OM…………………………

  5. #5 by NewGuy on January 4, 2012 - 1:45 PM

    My views may be radical, some may even find it defeatist, but I am only practical when I say India have to prioritize their cricket.

    I do not have any recommendation for short term, as any short term fix won’t work.

    Instead, my views are long term.

    In business you cut off the divisions that are not making money for you, if you cannot improve them.

    India has been playing Test cricket since 1947 as independent nation, and since 1932 as joint. So, there is a lot of history and years of experience.

    Yet, they have not won a Test series in Australia, or South Africa.

    They don’t look like they will ever win. What is the point of competing in a format when you cannot ever beat another nation in their back yard in 75 years of trying.

    I don’t like spending time of efforts that do not produce results. I am not asking for winning every overseas tour. But one series win in Australia at least every Ten years is a minimum for Indian cricket.

    This also applies to Pakistan and SL cricket, but I don’t want to drag them here.

    Coming back to my point. If I am the head of Indian cricket, I want them to set a goal to win a series in Australia and South Africa in the next five years, work on a plan to achieve that, then monitor progress, if something or somebody is not going along with it, or making progress then cut and chop mercilessly, until the goal is achieved.

    If on the other hand, after doing the leg work and before spending too much time, if you realize it may be too costly to achieve, then cut that goal and instead focus on what you are good at. The short format. India are current ODI WC winners and they need defend it in 2015. I will spend energy on building a team for that.

    You cannot waste time on too many things. Australia, England, and SA love their Test and they have the history and players to revel in that, especially in their conditions.

    Should India, along with SL and Pak be whipping boys of Aus, Eng, and SA in Test cricket, when they cannot win a series ever in these lands, or should they focus on where they can be world beaters? This is the real question. Conclusion for me is, if you do something do it with full effort and want maximum result, otherwise cut it out and focus on what you can be good at.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2012 - 1:49 PM

    Zen,

    If anyone needs to hibernate its moi parce que it is -23C here and yesterday I didn’t feel like going out, so I stayed home. Lucky for us that we don’t have load shedding like Pakistan. Anyways, good to see you back. Munir has also returned from his trip to the Holy land and he should also be commenting soon. What a co-incidence that Kallis et Clarke both got double tons and Clarke may go on to score a 300 — still he won’t be considered as a good captain and a good player than Misbah — Only two days have been completed, there are three more so imo, if Australia plays the whole day today, they can still bowl out India in the last 2 days. So, that should be the strategy if “I” had to decide, I will let Clarke play till he gets out or, at least for the whole day to break Lara’s record.

    NewGuy may not be extremely disappointed because this is what he is expecting from the Indian team. I wonder how the Indian fans back home are taking this drubbing?

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2012 - 1:52 PM

    Sri Lanka has started well especially Dilshan is in a very aggressive mood whereas, TryMoney the other opener is breaking all records of slow batting with a strike rate of 18.

    The difference between this match and India vs. Australia match is, on the first day India were bowled out and by the end of the second day Australia has a lead of 291 with 6 wickets in hand. If Sri Lanka can stretch this innings with a good reply then the match could end in a draw, whereas India cannot save this match, that is for sure, the writing is on the wall loud and clear.

  8. #8 by Sentinel Prime on January 4, 2012 - 4:48 PM

    Mohsin Khan relaxed over Pakistan coaching future

    ISLAMABAD: Interim team coach Mohsin Khan said on Wednesday he will have no problem with the Pakistan Cricket Board if he does not get the role full time.

    Khan has led Pakistan to series wins over Sri Lanka and Bangladesh since replacing Waqar Younis in October 2011 and is now preparing the team to face top-ranked Test side England.

    The 56-year-old has applied for the permanent position, but local media reports suggest Australian coach Dav Whatmore is the favorite to take over.

    Whatmore resigned as coach of Indian Premier League team Kolkata Knight Riders last week and is expected to arrive in Pakistan later this month for discussions with PCB officials.

    “I have no ego problems, whatever decision the PCB makes,” Khan told a news conference.

    A three-member committee appointed by the PCB finalized its recommendations on Wednesday, but the new coach is not expected to be named until after the series against England, beginning January 17.

    Head of the committee Intikhab Alam said he received around 30 applications for the posts of Pakistan head coach, batting coach, bowling coach and fielding coach.

    “I can only tell you that whoever is appointed as head coach will also be the batting coach,” Alam told reporters, without revealing the names of the shortlisted candidates.

    The committee will send its recommendations to the PCB chairman in a couple of days after which Alam said candidates will be called for interviews.

    “We have also recommended that the Pakistan team should have a set of coaches for a two-year term,” Alam said.

    Khan was chief selector when Waqar resigned.

    “I am ready to help Pakistan cricket in whichever capacity the PCB wants it,” Khan said. “My services are always available to the Pakistan Cricket Board because whatever I am today it is because of Pakistan.”

    After victories in test, ODI and Twenty20 series against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, Khan’s Pakistan team faces a much stiffer test against England.

    “The balance of the England team is very good,” Khan said. “Their pace attack, their spin attack, their batting order is very good.”

    Fast bowlers James Anderson and Stuart Broad and spinner Graeme Swann are rated among the top five test bowlers, while Alastair Cook, Ian Bell, Jonathan Trott and Kevin Pietersen are in the batting top 10.

    Khan believes Pakistan has enough bowling resources to challenge England’s batsmen.

    “I can say it proudly that Saeed Ajmal is probably the best offspinner in the world,” Khan said.

    Ajmal was the leading wicket-taker in test cricket in 2011 with 50 and could be effective on the slow wickets of Dubai and Abu Dhabi – where the three Test matches will be held.

    “Then we also have fast bowler Umar Gul and (Mohammad) Hafeez who plays important role with his offspin in Test matches,” Khan added.

    “I think it will be a combination of pace attack and spin attack from both sides and the pressure will be on batsmen of both teams.”

    Pakistan leaves for Dubai on January 9 after a four-day training camp in Lahore.

  9. #9 by Sentinel Prime on January 4, 2012 - 5:05 PM

    What a performance by Clarke and Ponting. This will leave a lasting effect on the psyche of the Indians and I wonder whether they would be able to make a comeback on this tour.

    I feel sorry for Yadav who has suddenly become a zero from a hero.

    SRT and Dravid must now rise above pressure, form, reputation and everything else that is preventing them from playing their natural game.

    Now Tendulkar’s declining form or Dravid’s excellent 2011 are no longer excuses. They must at least make 50s in their 2nd innings.

  10. #10 by Sentinel Prime on January 4, 2012 - 5:14 PM

    I remember Munir sahab asking what we feel about Australia’s run rate of 3 in the 1st Test.

    That apparently now was just a red herring and we can see Australia are scoring over 4 an over.

    Duncan Fletcher wants Indian batsmen to spend more time on the field and play patiently. I don’t see that working because India has recently only performed when their batsmen have played aggressively with high strike rates.

    As for Dravid and Laxman, they play slowly anyway.

  11. #11 by NewGuy on January 4, 2012 - 10:59 PM

    One of the fundamental thing going on with India is possibly that Dhoni is not at all fit for Test captain

    I think people have overlooked this, and only now coming to slow realization, then again it is not hitting them hard enough.

    But if we start looking back since the time Dhoni took over, even though he had a series of wins in the beginning, we could notice his field placements and captaincy has always been defensive. He constantly talk about bowling line and length and saving runs. Perhaps he simply cannot think beyond the short format, which is what he is only fit for.

    Dhoni must go as Test captain, if this series is lost, which is now a surety. It does not matter who takes over, anyone other than Dhoni has to be better than this.

    Yesterday he was the main culprit behind bowlers leaking runs and not taking a wicket. His attitude is to spread the field and save runs. For what?

  12. #12 by NewGuy on January 4, 2012 - 11:02 PM

    Dhoni also not being a good player simply has no command over the team full of players with Test credentials. For instance, not just the batsmen, and Zaheer Khan, but even Ashwin possibly deserve a place in team than Dhobi. How can he motivate the players, he can never lead from the front. This joker must be pushed out of Test team.

  13. #13 by Sentinel Prime on January 4, 2012 - 11:18 PM

    Newguy

    I was thinking about this today that how Dhoni is slowly receiving the blame for being defensive.

    But, why does he get blamed when the batsmen don’t do their bit? And what influence can he hold over experienced players like Dravid and SRT?

    It is very convenient to blame the captain (who is not a recognised Test batsman) for batting failures whereas the real fault lies with the selection committe and cricket board for not nurturing Test replacements to Laxman and SRT.

    I don’t think Dhoni is a flawless captain but there is only so much he can do if his best batsmen are not delivering.

    10% of the times Indian batting will falter and either this is one of those times, or this is a beginning of the end of the batting stalwarts. In either case the central blame does not lie with the captain. As for field settings and choice of bowlers, the bowlers may have lost imagination and morale seeing their celebrated batting stars get out so cheaply.

  14. #14 by Sentinel Prime on January 4, 2012 - 11:20 PM

    Newguy

    I actually give credit to Dhoni for making 50 at a handsome strike rate in the first innings and if this can’t motivate Dravid, Laxman and SRT, I don’t know what will.

    In the context of the recognised Test batsmen in the team, that was probably a “captain’s knock”.

  15. #15 by NewGuy on January 4, 2012 - 11:36 PM

    KS,

    Huh? Credit to Dhoni for a nothing fifty. You think joker can motivate SRT, Dravid, and Laxman. He can’t even carry their kits. They are probably demotivated having to play under this Dhobi.

    He scratched around and got lucky 50 runs. I have always said he is a good ODI player, but misfit for Tests.

  16. #16 by NewGuy on January 4, 2012 - 11:38 PM

    KS,

    You said it yourself with this line: It is very convenient to blame the captain (who is not a recognised Test batsman) for batting failures

    He is not a recognized batsman, he is not a bowler, or an all rounder. All he is a WK who bats a bit. You don’t make player like that lead.

  17. #17 by Sentinel Prime on January 5, 2012 - 12:07 AM

    Newguy

    Not long ago SRT said that Dhoni is the best captain he has played under.

    Who else should captain India?

    Sehwag?

    This WK who can bat a bit took India to no 1 in Test rankings, something they could not achieve under the captaincy of Ganguly, or Kapil, or anyone else.

    And this WK who can bat a bit won India the WC 2011 and came to bat at no 3 in the final and played well.

    I know you might say that India reaching no 1 would have happened anyway because Ganguly was a good captain and motivated the team, but Dhoni could have taken them to no 5 or 6 too.

  18. #18 by NewGuy on January 5, 2012 - 12:22 AM

    KS,

    I always said he is a good ODI captain, the best ever, he is the best ODI finisher in the game today and possibly the best middle order ODI bat in the world.

    Credit is given where it is due. Tendulkar said it in the context of WC win and soon after the euphoria of winning the WC. Winning ODI WC of course was greater than anything else, even for SRT.

    But, he is not a good Test captain.

    He did not take India to #1 in Test ranking. He just happened to be the captain when it happened. We also know that India did so, but never beat Aus in Aus and SA in SA.

    Ganguly is the guy who took India to great heights in Tests. He is the one who taught India to win Test matches abroad. Australia, SA, England, WI, and NZ. Before that India never used to win in these places. Don’t give credit to Dhoni where he do not deserve any bit of it.

  19. #19 by NewGuy on January 5, 2012 - 12:48 AM

    JK,

    Yeah, I have heard this song before, it’s pretty funny and is an apt imitation of the Kerala accent. I think it was made by a Malayalee guy.

    OK NewGuy since you have seen this, I am deleting the video because it takes a lot of space.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 1:12 AM

    Clarke seems to be unstoppable here, and even Hussey looks like he is going to score a hundred. The previous partnership between Ponting and Clarke was for 288 runs and now this one is already 221 runs. Clarke will be remembered by the Australians for a long, long time if he scores a 300 plus here also, for winning this test match (for sure). Clarke has readched 280 mark and has beaten Lara’s 277 on this ground. Hussey has scored his 100.

    I have also said this before that Ganguly was the best captain of India and NewGuy forgot to mention that it was under Ganguly’s captaincy they broke the 18 year old jinx in 2004 when they beat Pakistan in Karachi in the fist ODI which was at that time highest scoring ODI ever. India 349 and PK 345 or something very close to this figure and India won that match. Whereas, Dhoni is definitely not the caliber of Ganguly.

    Mind you Ganguly was also a very good ODI player who scored more than 11300 runs and 100 wickets in ODI’ whereas, Dhoni has scored about 6500 runs. Although Dhoni’s average is 51 as opposed to Ganguly’s 41 but when you play that many number of matches as Ganguly played (311) as opposed to Dhoni (196) the average is likely to go down. Like Hussey’s average came down to 51 in 166 matches earlier it was 100 plus in 26 matches and when he reached his 100th ODI it was in 70’s and now 51.

    Which some nitwits don’t understand and say Misbah’s average is highest after Sir Don ! Huh. His ODI average is only 42 in 89 ODI’s.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 1:39 AM

    At Lunch Australia are 583/4 and Clarke is only 7 runs short of his triple hundred. In the penultimate over before lunch he smashed 2 fours on Ishant’s bowling.

    Talking of Ishant’s bowling, how many times did he get Ricky Ponting so far? I am sure there is something between the two of them. Anyways, Ricky still managed to score 134 which I think is after his double ton that he made against Pakistan when Mohammad Aamir dropped him on ZERO bakaoz Aamir was busy giving autograph to chicks.

  22. #22 by NewGuy on January 5, 2012 - 2:12 AM

    Indians should be disgusted with this

    Clarke surely is going to score triple, he was watchful, he is not going to give it up like Sehwag did once, and like Cook did against India this summer.

    Speaking of which India has now gone back to the 90’s when they were a mediocre team against which England and Australia made merry in their back yard.

    I still recall the triple hundred Graham Gooch scored against India at Lords, making Kapil Dev and Manoj Prabhakar beg for mercy, then as if it was not enough he followed it with another hundred in second innings. That I think is the world record for most runs in a Test by single batsman.

    There is also the disgusting 973 something SL scored when Jayasurya scored a triple against India and Mahanama scored a double.

    It is so easy to score big hundreds against India, they just give up so easily. Mental toughness is lacking, was lacking always.

    Ganguly is the captain who taught Indians to be mentally tough, but that seems to have evaporated now.

    What I am not able to understand is, how did the Indian team go down so quickly? It’s not just batting or bowling weakness. They have had this type of team for at least 4 years and they were doing decently overseas. After WC what happened to Indian team? Something just don’t meets the eye. May be I am reading too much, but simply can’t believe a team just gives up like this so quickly. We might find out some day, after some players retire and open up, who knows. Or simply they are disintegrating as a unit. Need to be rebuilt with new faces.

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 2:49 AM

    Clarke has scored his TRIPLE TON and still batting at 319* Hussey too is at 130*

    Kohli has been fined 50% of his match fee for this:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/story/548089.html

    Kevin Peterson tweeted him with hahahaha welcome to Australia my friend, and Kohli replied, I never heard that crap before in my life.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 2:52 AM

    NewGuy,

    In reply to your question: “What I am not able to understand is, how did the Indian team go down so quickly?” The simple answer is: They took it very casually and they thought they can score BIG at the SCG and that let to their downfall.

    If Pakistan were playing like this, there would have been a lot of talk about betting and match fixing, but India is above those petty and trivial things, they don’t get involved in betting and match fixing. Azharuddin and Jadeja were a rarity.

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 3:04 AM

    Clarke is at 326 now and there are 45 overs remaining during the day, Australia are scoring at a RR of 4.04, if Clarke scores 2 runs an over, he can score 90 runs, he needs only 75 to break Lara’s record.

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 3:16 AM

    New ball is due since the last 3 overs but, Dhobi prefers his old UW and using Sehwag and Ashwin, whereas, he should have taken the new ball and attacked before tea and use his front line bowlers now …… his defensive tactics are killing the spirit of the players on the field and I am sure they must be begging for mercy at the moment because Hussey has just scored his 150 and Clarke at 329. Breaking record after record, Sehwag and Inzi’s total has been surpassed and …………. OH, NO

    AUSTRALIA HAS DECLARED THE INNINGS HERE…..at 659/4

  27. #27 by NewGuy on January 5, 2012 - 3:39 AM

    Sehwag is such an idiot, sometime he simply have to cut out those loose shots in the air

    He simply got out giving catching practice to Warner. Some will say that is the way he bats, well, he simply do not have any runs to show in Australia, England, or SA in last three overseas tours. Sehwag simply is irresponsible.

  28. #28 by NewGuy on January 5, 2012 - 4:09 AM

    Someone need to tell Dravid he needs to also score runs. His strike rate is beyond pathetic, as of now 6 runs off 21 balls, and if he gets out that just adds pressure because he hasn’t scored runs and wicket shave fallen too. Can’t they learn anything from Clarke, Ponting, and Hussey, to keep score board ticking. These oldies need to retire if they can’t score.

    At least GG is playing positive now, even if he gets out while trying to score I don’t care. Dravid has been miserable on this tour, as is Laxman.

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 10:56 AM

    NewGuy

    Dravid already got out at 29. But, there is no pressure because, India cannot win this match and India cannot bat for 2 days either. If Dravid was scoring slow i.e., 6 runs of 21 balls, what is Tendulkar doing now? He has scored 8 runs for 42 balls, is he playing a Misbah innings? He cannot draw this match and beat Misbah’s records.

    Yes, Gambhir finally came out of his shell, I wrote in the thread that Gambhir will either score nothing or he may score big, there is no midway for him. In 3 innings he scored nothing but, now he played a defiant innings…….. so far.

    The match will be over today and the result is known to us. The only thing is will they lose by a big margin or play some strokes and lose with some respectability?

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 11:02 AM

    Sri Lanka is struggling and facing follow-on. Once Dilshan was out, it was obvious that they cannot put on a big partnership. Sanga and Jaya are not in such a great form to put on a huge partnership to defend the total. Since all the SL recognized batsmen are out before lunch, it is likely that they will be all out an hour before tea and bat again and lose 2 – 3 wickets in their second innings too. So, after a great win at Durban they are down again. Now, they are being choked by the Pommies.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 11:34 AM

    Pakistan’s former test wicketkeeper, Late Tasleem Arif was a better batsman than Misbah, Miandad, Inzamam, in fact all the other batsmen of Pakistan because his test average is 62.62 whereas Misbah’s is only 42. So, I reckon him as a better batsman than Misbah! :D

  32. #32 by NewGuy on January 5, 2012 - 1:55 PM

    JK,

    Nothing is impossible in Test Cricket. There are two days to go and if Clarke, Ponting, and Hussey could put together two 250 stands then it is possible one or two Indian could do as well.

    However, this Indian team is not going to do this. This Indian team lacks fight and they look so disinterested. So you are right, match will be over today.

    The attitude of this team under Dhoni has been that if things go their way they take the win happily, and if things don’t work out they lay down and give up, finding excuses. They also have been very defensive on and off the field. Overall the Test team has disintegrated, they are just a bunch of players neither here, nor there, everyone with their own individual agendas going around.

    Indian Test team need complete restructuring, starting from Captain, middle order oldies need to be phased out starting with Laxman first, then SRT and Dravid over the next 6 months.

    A young team with fresh ideas and new captain is the best way forward. They cannot possibly do worse than this, so I see no problem in complete re-building.

  33. #33 by NewGuy on January 5, 2012 - 2:02 PM

    People say youngster like Kohli has not shown enough to push out seniors from team, but this is because they are under the shadow of oldies

    If you give youngsters chance to form their own team, without oldies in dressing room, things will be different. They will be free to express themselves and not under the shadow of oldies with excess baggage of past records.

    Kohli, Sharma, Rahane, Pujara, there are enough batsmen who can play tests and they should be allowed to play county cricket to gain experience under swinging conditions, and should form the core of team.

    Again, this is all if India wants their team to be good in Test cricket, at present BCCIs priority is not Test cricket, hardly any effort is spent. So the results are indicative of that.

    Youngsters play IPL …

  34. #34 by Raju reporter on January 5, 2012 - 5:25 PM

    Jk/ks

    ATTENTION

    PPP ANNOUNCES ELECTIONS IN OCT 2012!

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 6:21 PM

    Reporter Raju, iss may bhee koi bayrooni saazish lagti hai :D I was told by someone that if the elections are held on time i.e., August 2013 then by that time the people would be so BAYZAAR of the PPP govt. because of the MEHNGAI and shortage of CNG and loadshedding etc., that they would throw the govt out. Therefore, they have decided to hold the elections in Oct. 2012 before the ultimate damage is done. Now, everyone will get involve in a campaign and will be busy. So, dekha jai tou yeh ek smart move hai.

  36. #36 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 6:25 PM

    NewGuy

    On India’s winning or even drawing the test match, HUNOOZ DILLI DOOOR AST …. as regards rebuilding the team, I agree that owing to the sub-continental bhai culture the youngsters may not be able to push forward their ideas in front of oldies. Not everyone is a moonh Phutt and straightforward like Afridi and for that he had to pay a price. Our culture demands respect for seniors and diplomacy in handling reality cases. Anyways, the result will be obvious from today’s game. Let us see how long they can prolong the death?

  37. #37 by Raju reporter on January 5, 2012 - 8:03 PM

    Jk

    public is fed up of this government so any electoral tactics wont work. It seems some sort of deal is brokered between govt and army. A few days ago gillani said a third party may come into power but not nawaz shari.

    So its a final few months for zardari and co. and it may be a case of

    Badre Be aabroo hoke tere kochey se nikley

    where is wahshee the political expert?

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2012 - 9:37 PM

    Reporter Raju btw, tum itnay gaahay maahay kion aa rehay ho blog per?

    I remember what Gillani said about Nawaz, it seems like he was very upset with Nawaz but, as you say, it could also be the truth that may have come out (forging a deal), kay beta tu tou hargiz nahee aye ga.

    Wahshee kisi bijness deal may phussa hoga, I have to yell at him LOUDLY kay tum kahan ho? Then he will come.

  39. #39 by NewGuy on January 5, 2012 - 11:08 PM

    JK,

    Yeah, agreed, safety is way way far away and they won’t last till then, neither do they deserve it the way they gave up. Clarke is a fine batsman, but I don’t think they made him earn that triple, way too many balls were wide of off stump and down the leg side on the pads, easy pickings for Clarke and Hussey.

    Dhoni gave new ball to Sehwag and Kohli with field spread far away to save boundaries.

    Everything tells me Dhoni is out of his depths as Test captain. I don’t see seniors walking up to Dhoni and consulting, there is no middle of pitch conferences like normally teams do when things aren’t going well.

    There seems to be a cold shoulder between Dhoni and the senior members, namely Sehwag, SRT, Dravid, Laxman. I recall SRT, Dravid, et all used to be part of strategy discussion in the just a year or so back.

    Everything points to team not gelling well. That should explain the lack of interest and demoralized outlook. Even when the team is winning against WI, they didn’t seem all that passionate.

    I am pretty sure Dhoni will lose his captaincy pretty soon if this is the case. His days are numbered as far I am able to judge. Let’s wait and see.

  40. #40 by Sentinel Prime on January 5, 2012 - 11:15 PM

    Newguy

    Ganguly took India to 3-4. From that position India went to no 1. They could have remained at the same level.

    I am not pro Dhoni, like how I am not pro Tendulkar.

    If Yadav becomes another Ishant Sharma will you also criticise Dhoni?

    I was watching Gavaskar’s interview today and he was saying that the problem is batting, not captaincy.

    If India bat poorly the wicketkeeper captain who is a half batsman in Test gets blamed.

    In fact I feel SRT’s elusive century is the biggest morale killer of the Indian team. The bowling could not perform because the batsmen played so badly. Indian team performance revolves around Dravid, SRT and Laxman.

  41. #41 by Sentinel Prime on January 5, 2012 - 11:18 PM

    Zen

    Imran Khan will find it very difficult trying to convince people that he has distanced himself from Musharraf now that he has taken so many Musharraf loyalists on board.

    I hope it isn’t the last nail in the coffin.

    Musharraf is the greatest evil on one hand but on the other hand his former loyalists are sincere and honest.

  42. #42 by Sentinel Prime on January 5, 2012 - 11:22 PM

    JAK

    Sri Lanka is going to lose the Test and this series defeat will be about the same magnitude as the defeat vs Pakistan because both matches will be lost by an innings, only that this is a stronger opposition.

    One can worry about future of Indian cricket and on the other hand Sri Lanka is now nearly a Test minnow.

  43. #43 by Sentinel Prime on January 5, 2012 - 11:24 PM

    Newguy

    The poorest technique I have seen that produces the most runs is Sehwag.

    It’s a miracle someone can score so many runs despite not knowing how to use his feet.

  44. #44 by Sentinel Prime on January 5, 2012 - 11:26 PM

    JAK

    Azharuddin and Jadeja aren’t the only ones who were found guilty of fixing. There were some others too whose names escape me now.

  45. #45 by Sentinel Prime on January 5, 2012 - 11:37 PM

    Newguy

    This is what happened to Indian team:

    1. WC victory was due to home conditions. They would not have won in England, SA or Australia.

    2. Tendulkar’s inability to score the century has affected morale.

    3. Dravid performed in England because he has played a lot of cricket there, much more than Laxman and SRT. Otherwise batting was a collective failure.

    4. The team psyche is still structured around batting. Too much importance is being given to oldies who have now lost the spark.

    Dhoni can’t make 4 great batsman bat (Sehwag, Dravid, SRT and Laxman).

    What do you think happened to Yadav in the space of one match? Sure, the Aussies must have studied him (I said they would) but Yadav was expensive and wicketless. This has more to do with falling morale because of poor form of the Great 4, than Dhoni.

    It is rare for a new fast bowler to be his team’s best bowler in one match but then be the worst bowler in the second match.

  46. #46 by NewGuy on January 6, 2012 - 4:19 AM

    KS,

    Can’t blame Yadav for not being impressive in such batting friendly conditions, look at Pattinson in second innings, went for 106 runs at almost 5 an over.

    Indians batting positively, although defeat is certain. If they had batted like this in first innings they would not be losing this Test.

    Tendulkar got out in 80s, that too to Clarke, but it was better he did not get a hundred in this Test, it would have been so overshadowed by Clarke’s triple, as well as Ponting and Hussey hundreds, not to speak of coming in a defeat, for even if he had gotten a hundred defeat is certain, as others aren’t staying any longer.

    Dhoni failed again. This is what I keep saying, you cannot be captain without contributing to the team. You can’t simply be Wicket Keeper and Captain. Even Wicket Keeper is expected to score runs. If Dhoni was in team as WK, I ma pretty sure he would have been dropped for another keeper because he isn’t contributing with bat as much as keeper is expected.

    As of now Dhoni is in the team only because he is captain, his leadership is lackluster, he do not deserve a place in team. India should look to bring in another keeper batsman, Dinesh Kartik is far better.

  47. #47 by NewGuy on January 6, 2012 - 4:27 AM

    KS,

    It is absurd to say Tendulkar’s inability to score hundred is affecting team morale. Imagine if Clarke or Ponting goes out to bat every innings people expect them to score hundreds, what would it be like, will they even be able to score as much as Tendulkar is going now. I doubt it.

    I think it is very unfair to a player for people to expect him to score a hundred every time he goes to bat, for the last one year. Yet, he is still the best batsman in the team.

    Baring England tour, where he was second highest to Dravid, Tendulkar is the highest scorer on most series, in this series too he now has scores of 73, 32, 41, and 80. Pretty much up there with his average per innings. Others, Sehwag, Gambhir, Laxman, and Dravid have only scored in patches. Dhoni is miserable failure especially.

    I think he will get a hundred eventually one way or other. Ponting went on for two years without one, yet he finally got one. I don’t see why SRT can’t, he is batting better than Ponting while facing more potent attacks.

    But to say him not scoring a hundred is affecting team morale, they should all find other jobs.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2012 - 4:45 AM

    The hallmark of this test is THE CENTURY THAT TENDULKAR DID NOT SCORE AT THE SCG. I agree with NewGuy that had he scored 100, it would have over-shadowed Clarke’s triple hundred as well as Ponting and Hussey’s hundred, because the media would have published the article which they must have prepared a long time ago, full of praise and accolades for Tendulkar and they would have done it despite it being for a losing cause. They would have added that, “when his pistol misfires he knocks off his opponent with the butt.***” Meaning he could not score that hundred in the first innings, he did that in the second innings, which is more difficult and generally very rare.

    Anyways, After Zaheer Khan, Ashwin is throwing his bat on every ball to bring down the deficit. The way Dhoni got out by giving a simple catch back to the bowler shows his lack of confidence, I thought after playing well in the first innings he might have gained some confidence but, I am wrong. Let us see whether this 83 knock of Gambhir will help him in boosting his confidence in the next match or is it one of those fluke innings?

    Ps

    *** Boswell wrote this in his book about Samuel Johnson.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2012 - 4:59 AM

    Ashwin is frustrating the Australian bowlers and has scored a 50 at a pretty decent strike rate of 90, he is delaying the inevitable, still 27 overs to be bowled and 85 runs to avoid innings defeat. I can’t be watching this anymore, will see the result tomorrow morning.

    As I am writing this, Ishant Sharma is OUT and Yadav will be the next man………………

  50. #50 by NewGuy on January 6, 2012 - 5:24 AM

    JK,

    I meant it the other way, that there is no glory in getting a hundred for Tendulkar in this Test. Anyway, different meaning same result.

    India all out for 400. Aus up 2-0. Not very different result from last time they went to Perth. Last time they won in Perth and drew in Adelaide.

    Same venues, can they repeat or get better results? 2-2 will be great given how things are, and 2-1 is not at all bad if they can make it.

    Lots of questions for Indian team to answer. Rohit Sharma must play in next test. Given they scored 400 here, and got good batting practice, they should try to do better at Perth.

  51. #51 by Raju reporter on January 6, 2012 - 8:19 AM

    latset samaachar

    bharat ki ibraatnaak shikasat

    http://news.in.msn.com/exclusives/it/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5724751

    kya ek waja ye hae?

  52. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2012 - 9:51 AM

    During the time when Clarke was playing especially when he crossed 327 runs, I was saying that he has broken Sehwag and Inzi’s record and is on the way to break a few more records. But, he surprised me with the declaration. Because, he is the captain, also he was man on the spot, if he wanted to, he could have continued playing, but he didn’t and here is an excerpt from Brydon Coverdale who writes for cricinfo.

    “The Australians were overjoyed. Clarke especially was thrilled. His declaration on the third day, when he could have chased personal milestones like Brian Lara’s world-record Test innings of 400, was designed to ensure Australia would win the match. They did so with three and a half sessions remaining. Clarke is not the kind of man to harbour any regrets. The win was everything.

    I am sure, in that situation, any other team especially Sub-continental team would have continued playing especially since there were two more days plus the remaining 40 odd overs of the day. But, Clarke declared it in the spirit of the game rather than going for personal milestones and records.

    The link posted by Zen, from India Today is about the same thing and that is what most of us, including NewGuy are talking about that personal milestones and personal records are hurting the result of the game and when is that going to get into the heads of those naive and ignorant dolts? If they don’t then there will be 2 more defeats and another 4-0 whitewash like England. Then, there will be questions like:

    Will Dhoni remain as a Test Captain?
    Will the oldies be a part of the team in the next series at home/abroad?

  53. #53 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2012 - 10:01 AM

    Reporter Raju

    I don’t understand the need and the urgency to discussin the NA about the creation of New Provinces and that too, at a time when there are other important issues such as power outage, CNG crisis, Mehngai, Mehngai tu kahan say ayee? Plus, NRO, Memogate blady blah and daddy dah… and these guys are discussing about creating a Seraiki province and what not?

    I can smell there is something fishy here and the PPP government is trying to not only divert attention of the public but, also wanted to divide the votes and get votes from this new province by saying, we are the ones who got you this autonomy and freedom from the bigger provinces. Obviously they will encash this opportunity and this is what their game plan is. Am I right?

  54. #54 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2012 - 10:49 AM

    What the HELLO?????

    QUOTE: KARACHI: The government of Sindh has declared Jan 9 as public holiday throughout the province on account of Urs of Shah Abdul Latif Bhitai.

    An official statement issued here on Thursday said the government of Sindh had declared Safar 14th, 1433, (Jan 9) as public holiday throughout Sindh on the occasion of Urs of Hazrat Shah Abdul Latif Bhitai for all offices, autonomous, semi-autonomous bodies, corporations and local councils under the administrative control of the Sindh government.—APP UNQUOTE.

    A government holiday means loss of working hours which means losing more money. Pakistan’s economy is in shambles and they are declaring holidays for URS???? Going to graves and asking for repentance is un-Islamic. According to the Islamic belief, the dead needs your prayers and, not that you need them to put forward your case in front of God and ask the dead people to recommend your case to forgive you. Don’t we Muslims believe that Allah is The most Beneficent, The most Merciful, The most Compassionate and Gracious of ALL? Then why do we need to go to the graves and ask mercy from the dead?

  55. #55 by Raju reporter on January 6, 2012 - 10:58 AM

    Jk

    im agree, its a distraction.

    Something is about to happen!

  56. #56 by Zen on January 6, 2012 - 12:10 PM

    Some ex greats have also joined the chorus and say tendulkar’s 100 is affecting team

    timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournaments/india-in-australia/top-stories/Tendulkars-100th-ton-weighs-on-India/articleshow/11388808.cms

  57. #58 by NewGuy on January 6, 2012 - 1:48 PM

    A nonsense excuse. Why should it affect team’s performance and other batsmen batting. I am referring to Indian team and SRT 100.

    It’s a non issue. Team was overrated. They need replacements and fresh ideas. Simple as that.

  58. #59 by NewGuy on January 6, 2012 - 1:50 PM

    SL avoided innings defeat by scoring one more run. But SA on course to win series, their first home series win a long time. Should be relief to SA.

    SL did relatively well, winning in Durban, and fighting here after conceding huge first innings lead.

  59. #60 by NewGuy on January 6, 2012 - 1:53 PM

    On to Pakistan-England series.

    Now that Ind-Aus is pretty much decided, I doubt Perth-Adelaide will change much for India, and SL-SA is done, the next big series everyone is looking forward to is Pakistan-England.

    Pakistan has been rising in Test of late under Misbah, winning and drawing all of their recent series. England meanwhile is the #1 ranked team, and their captain wants to prove they can be #1 outside of home conditions.

    It will be a contest cricket world is looking forward to. How will it shape up.

    Can Misbah continue his success against the #1 ranked Test team?

    Can England show their dominance in home conditions in Asian pitches too?

    BTW, when is the first Test starting?

  60. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2012 - 3:46 PM

    NewGuy;

    In the previous thread comment #604 had the itinerary. However, here is a copy paste for you for the entire tour and schedule:

    Itinerary
    Jan 03: England arrive
    Jan 07-09: ICC Combined XI v England XI, Dubai
    Jan 11-13: PCB XI v England XI, Dubai
    Jan 17-21: 1ST TEST, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Dubai
    Jan 25-29: 2ND TEST, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Abu Dhabi
    Feb 03-07: 3RD TEST, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Dubai
    Feb 10: England XI v England Lions, Abu Dhabi
    Feb 13: 1ST ODI, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Abu Dhabi
    Feb 15: 2ND ODI, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Abu Dhabi
    Feb 18: 3RD ODI, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Dubai
    Feb 21: 4TH ODI, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Dubai
    Feb 23: 1ST T20, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Dubai
    Feb 25: 2ND T20, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Dubai
    Feb 27: 3RD T20, PAKISTAN v ENGLAND, Abu Dhabi

  61. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2012 - 3:52 PM

    NewGuy

    The BCCI is doing fantastic efforts in promoting test cricket. “An hour or so after the defeat in Sydney, the BCCI released the next IPL schedule, a whopping 53-day event.” Read this:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/548403.html

  62. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2012 - 4:03 PM

    Rep Raju

    What is wrong with this DAWN newspaper? All other news agencies have mentioned about Elections being held in October 2012 and DAWN has completely ignored this news. I have noticed before, they always do this i.e., when someone else reports first, they ignore it. After all it is a BIG news and everyone would be affected but, they behave as if nothing has happened. I don’t understand their policy, are they anti-government? Pro government? Anti Pakistan or Pro India? I dunno about how the DAWN pages appear over there, but on the Internet here there are so many Indian ads including Shaadi.com which says, Kavita 23 wants to marry… Shalini 21 wants to marry and looking for a good husband, Yogita is only 19 and looking for a matching groom! WTF? There are so many Indian ads. that it looks like an Indian newspaper to me. I understand it is all commercial but, NEWS? Whats wrong in giving national news?

  63. #64 by Raju reporter on January 6, 2012 - 4:12 PM

    With India on the ropes in the second Test, Dhoni and his team mates are coming in for stinging criticism back home.

    this is what Poonam ( a model who promised to strip if India won world cup) says about current indian performance

    “Indian batsmen are like faithful husbands, they perform only at home…” model Poonam Pandey quipped on her Twitter page. :lol:

    Sunny gavbaskar has this to say

    “It has always been the case over the years and it’s the same now,” Gavaskar told NDTV channel.

    “If you want a resurrection of your career, play against India. If you want your highest score, play against India. If you want your best bowling figures, play against India.”

    You can read whole article here !

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Specials/Cricket/India-vs-Australia-2011/Chunk-HT-UI-IndiaVSAustralia2011-DontMiss/Faithful-husbands-Team-India-become-butt-of-jokes/SP-Article10-791649.aspx

    So Misbah if you want to improve your stats, play against India

    But the last time you played against them you screwed the WC- Ch2So4 ;)

  64. #65 by Raju reporter on January 6, 2012 - 4:15 PM

    To hullo with Dawn man, there is a meeting taking place rite now

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30121

  65. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 7, 2012 - 8:59 AM

    Nawaz Sharif di BIST ho gayee!!

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=41229&CID=1

  66. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 7, 2012 - 9:05 AM

    Raju yar, Dhobi nay kuch tou bolna thaa naa, so he blabbed out against his own players, its not going to motivate them or inspire them much because, the Perth wicket is very fast. There was a time, the Aussies used to start the test series against India / PK from Perth to show their might and win the match and put them under pressure. The Boxing Day start was reserved for England and West Indies of the seventies.

    I was reading somewhere, it says: “Dhoni needs a parachute to save India from a free fall.”

    No.1 test ranking in the world and lost 6 test matches in a row? And, how many more? Manjrekar and Gaekwad have asked for Laxman to be axed at Perth and demanding Rohit as his replacement, are the saying anything new? Or, have they been reading our blog?

  67. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 7, 2012 - 9:07 AM

    Raju, take a look, Poonam da Dhandaa E Unfaithful husbands say chalta hai, so obviously she is against faithful husbands. Na surat na shakal, na debit na credit, zero portfolio.

    http://www.google.ca/search?q=indian+model+poonam+pandey&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=9QoIT8fXIcrx0gHZgoyIAg&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQsAQ&biw=1067&bih=478

  68. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 7, 2012 - 9:32 AM

    NewGuy

    I was skim reading some of the blogs and saw a majority of the Indian fans are still optimistic and hoping for a 2-2 and Tendulkar scoring a century. Well, theoretically there is a possibility but, in reality are the capable of winning 2 test matches in a row, especially after losing 6 in a row? Well, there is some blessing for India that Pattinson is injured but, Harris will replace him.

  69. #71 by Raju reporter on January 7, 2012 - 9:57 AM

    Jk

    champagne moment will be tendulkar’s 100, series comes later.

    If india win next 2 tests and tendulkar scores a 100,that would be a dream script.

    If india loses the series and tendulkar scores 100, team will ultimately get pardoned.

    But if india lose and tendulkar doesnt get 100,then it would be a nightmare.

    Prima facie india has 1% chance of winning next 2 tests. Its more wishful thinking.

    6 consecutive overseas losses- a new record?

  70. #72 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 1:12 PM

    Newguy

    You think Tendulkar’s failure to get that 100 is not a major reason behind India’s current form?

    The England series was more about SRT getting that 100 than about how the Indians would tackle a tough opposition.

    In the WC SRT played very poorly against Pakistan (somehow still got the MOM award) and then he was dismissed cheaply in the final. However the Indian team management and players dedicated the WC victory to him for his services to Indian cricket.

    So, if they can dedicate a WC victory to him despite the heroic performances of Yuvraj, Zaheer and Dhoni, they can probably lose morale if he is not managing to score this 100 which is causing SRT enormous embarrassment.

    Yuvraj was India’s best player in WC but you did not hear much about him after that tournament. The WC was won because of Yuvraj, Dhoni and Zaheer, not SRT, but we still heard more about SRT. I accept that he was India’s highest scorer but I don’t think he won any matches single handedly.

    The furore stopped to an extent as Indian media realised SRT is succumbing to pressure. But, he struck some form in the 1st Test and because of his good record in Sydney, the furore started again. He was still unable to get that 100, and I think this is what has subdued the Indian side.

    This is a very complicated problem that, SRT is likely to be India’s highest run scorer in this series, but again all those runs are unlikely to produce victory.

    Once again his skill and talent will be highlighted and his ability to play difficult bowling will be praised. But, the critics will rightfully again focus on why this skill and talent does not result in victory for his team.

  71. #73 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 1:20 PM

    I saw highlights of Clarke’s 329* and I was amazed to see how he treated Indian bowling. He was full of disdain and it appeared like a walk in the park for him.

    I have barely seen anyone dominating the bowling team in such fashion. It was like, he was not even trying.

    Of course, the bowling lacked killer instinct but after your Great 4 can’t take the team past 200, what do you expect the bowlers to do?

    Australia have found Ponting’s replacement.

    In terms of shot making AB de Villiers and Jayasuria are better than Clarke, but Clarke is a very good batsman in his own right and I am pretty sure he would be in the top 3 after Ponting, SRT, Kallis etc retire.

  72. #74 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 1:24 PM

    Indian greats slam ‘ageing’ team

    INDIA’S woeful tour of Australia has sparked a stinging attack by its Test greats on Sachin Tendulkar, coach Duncan Fletcher, captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni and the Indian cricket board amid concerns the team is too old and on the cusp of freefall.

    Former captains Sunil Gavaskar and Dilip Vengsarkar led the criticism yesterday, with Gavaskar even moved to give the exalted Tendulkar a ticking off after India’s capitulation in Sydney handed Australia a 2-0 series lead.

    Gavaskar said there had been too much hype over Tendulkar’s bid for his 100th international century, and blamed the batsman for this unnecessary focus. He said Tendulkar should not have bypassed a home one-day series against the West Indies last month for this would almost certainly have delivered that elusive century.

    ”We have been talking about Tendulkar’s impending 100th international ton for the past nine months. He himself has said that it’s just a number and [he's] not worried about scoring or not scoring the 100th century,” he said. ”I would advise the media not to mention a single word on his 100th ton. But he should have played against West Indies in [the] ODI series. He could have scored his 100th ton and could have gone to Australia without this hype.”

    Vengsarkar, a former captain and selector, suggested the best days of master batsmen Tendulkar, 38, Rahul Dravid, 38, and V.V.S. Laxman, 37, were over. ”The bitter truth is that we don’t have new champion players who can take up the mantle. We might have left the best behind,” Vengsarkar, a former captain and selector, told The Times of India.

    ”We’ve been spoilt by success in the past 10-12 years. The big batting guns have long covered up other shortcomings but they are nearing the end. The increased dependence on Tendulkar after more than two decades is a sign of poverty.”

    As photographs emerged of Dhoni, his wife Sakshi and teammate Virat Kohli going for a stroll along the Yarra after the third day’s play in Melbourne, a furious Gavaskar questioned whether some players were more interested in ”sightseeing”.

  73. #75 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 1:30 PM

    The problem is not really with Tendulkar if he can’t score that 100th century because of pressure. The problem is with the Indian fans.

    First you treat someone like a deity and give them importance over other good players in your team, so much so that important matches become a platform for glorifying this deity rather than bringing victory to the team.

    Now most Indians are shying over this and treating it as a non issue. But, the reality is that it is most definitely an issue because of the embarrassment it is causing.

    I feel sorry for Tendulkar to be honest and I think he is misunderstood by fans and critics alike. He is definitely one of the best batsmen the game has ever seen and I believe he could have reached greater heights if it wasn’t for this Indian nationalism and concept of worshipping everything that is amazing or inspiring.

    Tendulkar could have scored 400 in Tests because he has a better technique than Lara, he could have been more destructive than Sehwag because he can play like Sehwag and he knows how to use his feet etc.

  74. #76 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 1:32 PM

    Umar Akmal eager to make century against England

    The camp training of the national cricket team began here at Gaddafi Stadium and the players got training from interim coach Mohsin Khan’s supervision. Batsmen including Umar Akmal had proper batting practice after his return to the national Test team. Talking to journalists here on Thursday, Umar expressed his desire to record a century against England in the upcoming series in the UAE. “The position on which I play provide fewer chances to score century but its my desire to get one against England and I am concentrating on several factors to develop my innings to three figures,” he stressed. “My return in the team was all due to the support of the team and the team management and I would thank them by scoring for the country and bring victories,” he maintained.
    “All the members of the team are supporting each other and that was why the team is developing into a winning combination. This team work will surely earn them victory even against the strongest team like England,” said young Umar. “There is no limit to learning and coaching should be done at all levels of the career,” he said. He further said that with the same spirit and the hard work, the team is in a position to surprise England.

  75. #77 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 1:36 PM

    I was also thinking like Taha Habib before I realised that Pakistan has problems playing pace and problems with fielding.

    Who is the favourite in Pakistan-England test series?

    Taha Habib

    With England due to play Pakistan from 17th January onwards, most of the cricket crazy fans would be considering England as firm favourites to demolish Pakistan in the Emirates. Having beaten them in both test and ODI series back in July-September
    2010, the Three Lions will definitely start as favourites in what is meant to be a home series for the Green Shirts.

    When Pakistan travelled away to UK for their series against Australia and England, Mohsin Khan’s team were unable to whip aside Andrew Strauss’s England. They were defeated 3-1 in tests and 3-2 in ODI’s. However, after the recent World Cup in the sub-continent
    excluding Pakistan, the Green team has been on song, and haven’t lost a single test series under the captaincy of Misbah-ul-Haq.

    Pakistan travelled away to the Caribbean Island to take on Darren Sammy’s West Indies and emerged as comfortable winners before tearing apart Zimbabwe in the one-off test. Pakistan’s next assignment was against Srilanka in Dubai/Abu Dhabi, and the Green
    Shirts emerged as 1-0 winners in tests and 4-1 in ODI’s.

    Mohsin Khan’s team than travelled away to Bangladesh for the full series and once again emerged as winners of both tests and ODI series. Currently, Pakistan team are on a winter break and will return to action on January 17.

    On the basis of current performance, Pakistan are considered favourites to win the series especially with the likes of spin trio; Saeed Ajmal, Muhammad Hafeez and Abdul Rehman in their squad. The three spinners have been in top form recently, and have been
    the main stay of Pakistan’s setup.

    England are fresh from a 5-0 whitewash in the ODI’s against India and keeping in mind their current form in the subcontinent, Andrew Strauss’ team is bound to have trouble in UAE where the conditions will more or less be the same.

    The only worry for the Pakistan team will be their wicket keeping department. Even though, Adnan Akmal is a capable keeper but he might not be as effective with the bat as Matt Prior would be for England.

    Otherwise, both teams look balanced on paper and a great series is on the cards. It won’t be wrong to say that the Pakistan team are in with a huge opportunity to avenge their loss to England when they visited them in 2010

  76. #78 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 1:59 PM

    Ajmal has boasted about new deliveries in the past as well. Apart from his doosra, none of the new deliveries have worked. They don’t even get noticed.

    Ajmal to unleash new delivery against England

    Pakistan spinner Saeed Ajmal says he has added a new weapon to his arsenal and will use it against England in the upcoming Tests series in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

    “It is a new variation on which I have been working for a while now. I don’t know whether it will be successful but if it does not produce desired results I will stick to my tried and tested variations,” Ajmal told reporters in Lahore.

    “I have always been comfortable bowling the ‘Doosra’ and I get a lot of wickets with it but I also wanted to a try a new variation against England. Let us see how it goes,” added the 34-year old spinner, who last year was the only bowler to capture 50 Test wickets.

    Saeed said he bowled a flatter trajectory and the doosra frequently as he was comfortable with both variations.

  77. #79 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 2:00 PM

    Duh

    England series will be challenging: Misbah

    Pakistan Cricket team captain Misbahul Haq has said that although team performance was good, the England series will prove challenging for the players. Talking to media in Lahore after the final session of practice on Saturday, he said that it was batter to win the game playing in defensive style rather than losing the match while playing in aggressive mode. Misbahul Haq said that team morale was high and all the players were physically fit. He added that he was in support of Referral System.

  78. #80 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 2:01 PM

    Akram: India missing Harbhajan

    After a spirited show in the first Test in Melbourne, Indian bowlers disappointed in Sydney picking only four Australian wickets. Unhappy at India’s lackluster effort, former Pakistan skipper and ESPN-STAR Sports commentator Wasim Akram feels the visitors are missing the experience of Harbhajan.

    “It was evident that India missed Harbhajan. On pitches with bounce and grass, the job of the spinner is to contain and not look for too much of turn. Let the batsman hit out over your head.

    “At least try and lure them to hit you over the top. India needed someone experienced like Harbhajan, who knows how to stop the batsman from taking singles and maintains pressure from one end. The Australians were playing Ashwin with ease and changing strike without a problem,” said Akram in an exclusive chat with Mobile ESPN from Sydney on Saturday.

    Akram feels that young Ashwin has limitations since it is his first foreign tour and those were exposed at the Sydney Cricket Ground.

  79. #81 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 2:26 PM

    England played a tour match in Dubai vs ICC Combined XI and the worrying aspect for Pakistan is that all of their main bowlers got wickets:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/engine/current/match/531625.html

    Although the mediocre ICC XI managed nearly 300- can Pakistan make 300 too?

  80. #82 by NewGuy on January 7, 2012 - 3:12 PM

    KS,

    No one else is responsible for Tendulkar not able to get the darn hundred, but himself

    I am fed up with his chicken heart after he crosses 70, in Sydney he was batting brilliant in second innings and scoring fast, hitting boundaries off fast bowlers, once he crossed 50 I stopped watching, as I was sure he will be out before hundred. I didn’t want to hear all the lead up from commentary team then the eventual he cannot get it again comments.

    He started slowing down after 70 and became nervous, defending and prodding and trying to take singles.

    Either he tries to attack too hard like he did against WI and got out in 90’s or he tries to defend like he did in Sydney. Both does not work for him. He has to play his natural game.

    He is unable to because he is so conscious of this hundred. Its not at all hard for his abilities and the form he is in, but in the mind he is having a nightmare after cross 70 or 80.

    This is all because like most people suspected, Tendulkar loves his records, one can even say he plays for them.

    As for me, I am done commenting on Tendulkar and his hundred. Simply not worth the time for me to waste on a guy who do not have the heart.

  81. #83 by NewGuy on January 7, 2012 - 3:20 PM

    KS,

    What you said about Indian nationalism and SRT love for records are linked. I think the public wants SRT to build records and he obliges. This has been going on for 22 years.

    I wonder why though as a individual he can take a stand and say, I will play the way I wish to play, and that is to play my natural game instead of focusing on number of hundreds.

    See this public fascination with 100 hundreds started long long time back.

    Back when Pakistan visited India in 2007, Shah Rukh Khan hosted a party for both teams. In that party SRK was praising SRT, and he wished SRT keeps playing on and some day even get 100 hundreds. He had just about 40 Test hundreds and may be 42 ODI hundreds then I believe. It sounded like overt praise at that time. Like someone wishing you live to 100 years, most people know not possible, but they give that wish. Likewise it seemed impossible, but SRT just kept peeling off hundred after hundred since then.

    So, not just average Indian, even people like SRK and Bachan have been worshiping SRT and showing wishes like this on him.

  82. #84 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 4:50 PM

    Newguy

    Why does SRT need to do anything when he is treated like a god?

    What he is doing makes people worship him and has made him a billionaire.

    Most people in the world consider him to be the best in the business.

    So, what is the point of changing his style?

  83. #85 by Raju reporter on January 7, 2012 - 5:25 PM

    Yes, tendulkar shouldnt change bakaoz these antics have made him an icon and wealthy.

    So who suffers ultimately?
    Indian test cricket!

    Clarke’s declaration should have been an eye opener for indians. Would dhoni had declared had SRT been playing on 330 on the pretext of winning.

    NO bakaoz he would have faced ire of media and public. So i dont see status quo changing. India would be a country which would have record holders and Ausjralia will have more victories.
    So why cry foul india?
    Thats the culture u created.

  84. #86 by Raju reporter on January 7, 2012 - 5:53 PM

    At the other extreme ch2 capt misbah supports defensive approach and says draws are better than losses; doesnt knnw that he drew matches which could have been won. Somebody should ask him whether aus or wi ruled in cricket due to aggreshve or defensive cricket. Does he think his team can beat eng,aus or sa in their backyard.
    Ironicaly some people equate him with immi. Come on immi beat india and england in their countries but people are happy with draws.
    Actually he means passively that since india and sl are losing ,hes better bakaoz hes drawing. What he implies that india or sl would not lose if they folow his captaincy style- stupid,worthless capthain,doesnt at all understand the game.

  85. #87 by Sentinel Prime on January 7, 2012 - 6:28 PM

    ‘Heartbroken’ Afridi vows ‘never to be cricket captain again’

    Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi has vowed to never resume his cricket captaincy but continue playing cricket as a team member after having seen his tenure marred by controversies.

    “I don’t want to be sacrificed time and again over the captaincy issue and this time I have decided to just continue playing as a member of the team and enjoy my cricket,” Afridi said.

    “After the way I was treated last year I was heartbroken and I have decided never to be the captain again and to just carry on as an ordinary member of the team and do whatever I can for the team as a senior player,” he added.

  86. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 8, 2012 - 2:46 AM

    hahaha

    Ulta Chor Kotwal ko daantay!

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/07/musharraf-to-face-arrest-when-he-returns-govt-prosecutor.html

    IF, Mush is arrested on charges of BB’s murder, kaheen Zardari khudd na uss jaal may phuss jaye aur saboot uss kay khilaaf mil jaye?

  87. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 8, 2012 - 2:51 AM

    Raju, that Ch2 culture prevails not only in India but, in Pakistan too. The way Misbah is being given so much importance and praised to the extent of worshiping is extremely deplorable.

    Wait and see when Aamir’s sentence will be over in the next few months, he will be given a HEROIC RECEPTION in Lahore.

    And, all these people shall be recommending his inclusion in the team. This is the culture where, not only Ch2yas but corrupt and crook people thrive and it is considered as a “KWALTY.”

  88. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 8, 2012 - 3:14 AM

    “Tendulkar could have scored 400 in Tests because he has a better technique than Lara, he could have been more destructive than Sehwag because he can play like Sehwag and he knows how to use his feet etc.”

    khansahab, these are all IF and Ijaz’s and Salman’s BUTT theories.

    Magar ye ho na saka……… aur ab ye Alam hai:

    Kay batting Teri century Ke nakaam koshishon may jaari hai
    Century Mukamil na ho Paati tou Nisf Bhi Ho Sakti Thi
    Yeh Shikist Jo teri Zeest Ka Muqaddar ho gayee Hai
    Teri Batting key Brilliance may Kho Bhi Sakti Thi
    Magar Yeh Ho Na Sakaa, Aur Ab Yeh Aalam hai
    Kay Jeet Nahi tou, Haar nay ka Ghum bhi Nahee, Khailnay ki Justaju Bhi Nahi
    Guzar Rahi Hai Kuch Is Tarah batting Jaisay
    Isay kisi kay Chowkay-Chukkay key Aarzoo Bhi Nahi
    Teri Century hee nahee, Nisf century bhee kaafi hai
    Ek TEST ki jeet Hindustan kay liyeh kaafi hai
    Na Koi Bowling, Na Koi Batting, Na koi Kaptani Ka Suragh
    Bhatak Rahay hain Khilaadi Maidan-e-Melbourne aur Sydney may
    Inhee Shikastaon may Reh Jaogay agar Aye Dhoni
    Tumharee Kaptaani bhee na hogi Dastaano may
    Vo waqt door nahee jab, Ghaat per Dhobi Pachaaray Jainge,
    Dus aur Gadhon ka Bojh tum per laada jai ga
    Honge tum nakaam tou sir tumhara mundhwaya jai ga
    Dus Hazaar fans tou kya, Sara Hindustan tumhe dekhe ga
    Mai Jantaa Houn Kirkit Magar Youn Heen….
    Kabhi Kabhi Mere Dil May Khayaal Aataaa Hai
    Kaheen Aisaa na ho jai, aur kaheen vaisaa na ho jaye?

    Ba Qalam Khud …. And, you have to read it in Amitabh’s voice.

  89. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 8, 2012 - 3:24 AM

    Heartbroken? LOL, Pathan ka dil bhee Kaghazi Badaam ki terha hota hai Bakaoz Khopree jo Akhroat ki hoti hai. Taqaiyul TAAQ may hota hai aur Juzzbaat kay totay aisay bikhray howay hotay hain jaisay, farsh pay dhairon ChillGhozay!

    Kehtay hain Pathan ka zubaan EK hota hai Magar ye Pathan tou apni Zubaan ka bhee EK nahee, aaj kuch, tou kal kuch.

    Pathaan Ka Poot
    Ghari may Aowlia, Ghari may Bhoot.

  90. #92 by NewGuy on January 8, 2012 - 2:20 PM

    KS,

    Here is what one former India cricketer wrote of this 100th ton excuse for Indian losses:

    Ever in denial, there are those in India who say MS Dhoni’s team is paying for the pressure of awaiting Tendulkar’s 100th.

    The pressure, if any, should be on him. Why should it bother the rest of the team, all 10 of them? Funnily, it doesn’t seem to have affected Tendulkar’s form. In four Test innings in Australia, he has two 50s, one 40 and a lowest score of 32. He’s batted with appeal and authority. The problem has been elsewhere. Virender Sehwag, Gautam Gambhir, VVS Laxman and Rahul Dravid make up — along with Tendulkar — perhaps India’s greatest batting order. The other four have hit one 50 each in the past two Test matches. Failing in three innings out of four on a tour as tough as Australia isn’t going to help you take your team too far. The trouble is there — it’s not in whether or not or when Tendulkar hits his next century. Why has the rest of India decided to feel the pressure and nervousness on Tendulkar’s behalf?

    This is what I said here few days back. Tendulkar is still averaging above 55 in four completed innings in Australia. If there is pressure of his hundred it doesn’t appear to be on him .. LOL. Granted, he is not getting big hundred. But after 22 years playing for India, should he still be the one getting the big hundreds? Why not Gambhir, Sehwag, or Dhoni.

    Clarke got a 300 and lead from front, how much is Dhoni’s average in England and Australia in 10 innings, anyone cared to bother? I am sure it is below 20. Laxman averages 20 in last 10 innings. Sehwag ever worse. Gambhir ditto. Yet, the excuse is SRT 100th ton.

  91. #93 by Raju reporter on January 8, 2012 - 2:38 PM

    When was the last time india got white washed or lost 6 consecutive tests on foreign soil?

    What’s tendulkar’s worst performance on an overseas tour? Why he flopped in england?

    Isnt his failure and team’s failure harmonious.

    Ponting was also under pressure but he delivered. There is one difference btw ponthng and indian batsmen.ponting was warned and he knew its now or never,but after a poor series in england no post mortem was done and once WI came,it was all 100 talk again.

    Its clear indians+tendulkar want the record.its a hollow denial on tendulkar’s part when he says he’s not bothered.

  92. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 8, 2012 - 3:29 PM

    Sanjay Manjrekar, we don’t mind you reading out blog, but please don’t take away our ideas and write them on cricinfo or tweet them to the rest of the world. You aren’t that great to get great ideas. So, stop boasting about yourself.

    NewGuy

    Whoever that guy you have quoted is trying to beat around the bush instead of being straightforward. We all know that India’s batting evolves around Tendulkar’s performance. On Sydney cricket ground his one double hundred and three BIG hundreds and on all occasions he remained not out, was the biggest motivating factor and comfort level for other batsmen. It is like Sehwag giving a flying start and the rest of the team banks on that start. To say that Tendulkar is averaging 50 in the 4 innings he played is a very strong point in his favour but, logic demands more. In cricket one man’s solo performance changes the mood, tempo and the result of the game. Like, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Afridi, Razzaq they have changed the complexion of the game when hey performed.

    To say that his hundred SHOULD NOT affect the performance of others is fine but, what can you do if your psyche is imbued in that colour? “Array Sachin Bhai nai bana sakta tou koi nai bana sakta,” that is the thinking and the logic behind. Someone fresh and new like Rohit/Rahane should be tried and they should not even think about Tendulkar being in the team.

    Wasim Chakram Ch2ya
    wanted to be in the limelight, so he blabbed again, and he said, which was obvious from him to come, as you know he said, Harbhajan should have been in the team, Ashwin is not as good as Harbhajan. What a Ch2yumSulphate statement. Ashwin is playing much better than most players and any time better than out of form Harbhajan. What is the need to create a debate on something that is not possible. Just because this MFWA is a bowler does not mean he understands the game very well? He should put his nose in ShhhhhhhssssssssMita’s butt and yank it there instead of talking about cricket.

  93. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 8, 2012 - 3:33 PM

    Raju (shabbo say poocho) I mean ask this question from Rajesh the stats Guru and he will tell you. The Indian team is not waiting for Tendulkar to score the 100 but they are waiting for that Poonam The Streaker once she makes a diagonal run on Perth, uski Worth badal jai gee aur inki kismet khul jai gee (cricket players ki kismet tou aajkal patloono kay zippers may hoti hai) :D

  94. #96 by NewGuy on January 8, 2012 - 3:38 PM

    JK,

    Come on, what’s this Sachin bhai nai bana sakta .. we are talking about Dravid, VVS, Sehwag, Gambhir, and Dhoni. Men who do not need any Sachin bhai coat tails for great performances.

    Let’s see Rahul Dravid, 270 against Australia in 2004 Adelaide, India won the Test. Same Dravid another double hundred against England at Headingley 2005 ? India won.

    VVS a big hundred, 150+ at SCG in 2004, match drawn with Steve Waugh hanging on in his last Test.

    Sehwag 150+ at Adelaide 2008, match drawn after Australia looked to be in strong position.

    Gambhir double hundred against Australia in Delhi 2009, India won.

    MS Dhoni 91 not out against England at Lords 2007, batting with tail, match drawn with India one wicket away from a loss. They win series later.

    Where are these performances? do these men need Sachin bhai, no, it’s a red herring.

  95. #97 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 8, 2012 - 3:51 PM

    NG

    I am not talking about oldies…. they don’t call him Sachin Bhai. You saw Raina in the previous series and Dhoni is a total flop in test and Sehwag Gambhir are not giving India what they used to before. So, there is a combo of all and Sachin’s hundred is affecting the team for sure. Blaming him or the media is another matter. I would blame both.

  96. #98 by Raju reporter on January 8, 2012 - 3:56 PM

    But sachin must also have performed on those tours when dhoni,dravid or sehwag scored. So it is having a negative effect on the team as well as the country.

    Its not a coincidence that india lost in england and sachin flopped. Its not whether tendulkar is performing well or not,the opposition batsmen are outscoring indian batters.

  97. #99 by NewGuy on January 8, 2012 - 4:09 PM

    Well .. of course there is no denying SRT is not playing the same as when he blazed away to a 100 against SA in WC. Before that he has another blazing hundred against England in WC, and a quality 150 against Steyn in SA.

    So, every innings since then he has played is below his best and below par.

    This is a serious embarrassment to SRT. He simply should have blazed away to a hundred after that one against SA in WC. It looked only matter of another match because he was scoring hundreds almost every other match, be it Test or ODI.

    Since that 99 hundred, there is a serious draught.

    As everyone agrees sooner he gets it done with India and SRT can move on with this business. But as such it is proving to be a case of prolonged pain.

    I said I will stop talking about it few posts back, but as you can seen I am still taking about it :) so it is a serious matter.

  98. #100 by Raju reporter on January 8, 2012 - 4:49 PM

    Mush says he’l contest election from chitral :razz:

    he says he’l cm on 30 jan to karachi.

    Chalo ji ek aur bhangdra! ;)

  99. #101 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:06 PM

    Despite his absence from Pakistan and leading his party for just over a year, Musharraf gathered nearly 10,000 people in Karachi.

    Once he starts campaigning in Pakistan he will gather a lot more.

    In Musharraf’s time PIA, Railways, inflation, law and order, infrastructure, education, health etc situation was much better.

    People could always buy sugar, fruit and vegetables from shops at reasonable prices.

    His message in today’s rally was for all Pakistanis to stand united and choose enlightenment and progress over hatred and religious extremism. And of course, he repeated his slogan of “Pakistan first”.

  100. #102 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:14 PM

    Mohsin Khan talented but not qualified: Zaka Ashraf

    Hyderabad: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Zaka Ashraf has said that Mohsin Khan, current coach of national team, is a talented man but he is not qualified.

    Talking to media here in Hyderabad after attending thegolden jubilee celebrations of Arbab Niaz Stadium on Sunday, Ashraf said that they were making changes in domestic cricket.

    He said that international circket would be restored in the country after Bangladesh tour.

    The PCB chief said that Danish Kaneria could be included in the team after getting clearance.

  101. #103 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:18 PM

    Newguy

    I have agreed that SRT is batting well and I will not be surprised if he is India’s highest scorer on this tour.

    But, many Indians will also agree with me that Indian team is nervous about the fact that their most valued player is being embarrassed.

    The 100 is long overdue.

    But, I am not blaming SRT for this, but the fans. He is not at his best, and being put under more pressure than he can take. This must be the longest he has played without scoring a 100.

  102. #104 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:38 PM

    Kon karey ga Veena Malik sey saath janmo ka vaada?

  103. #105 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:40 PM

    India to lose 2nd spot in Test rankings

    Dubai, Jan 8: Even if India manages to win the next two Tests against Australia, it will still lose its second place in the ICC Test ranking to South Africa.
    India have conceded a 0-2 lead to Australia in the four-match series.
    If the series in Australia ends in a draw, then India and South Africa will be locked at 117 ratings points but the Proteas will be ranked ahead of India when the ratings are calculated beyond the decimal point.
    If Australia wins 3-0, it will move to 110 ratings points, two behind India, while a 3-1 series win will mean India will drop to 113 ratings points while Australia will rise to 108 ratings points.
    However, if Australia makes a clean sweep of the series, then both sides will be locked at 111 ratings points but India will still be ranked above Australia by a fraction of a point.
    Meanwhile, the news is not good for the Indian players as Sachin Tendulkar has dropped two places to sixth position and Rahul Dravid has fallen four spots to 15th position.
    VVS Laxman has dropped one place to 18th spot and Virender Sehwag has fallen out of the top 20, in 22nd position, after conceding four places.

  104. #106 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:42 PM

    Plenty of bounce in WACA pitch: Curator

    Perth, Jan 8: The WACA Ground’s curator says Australia and India can expect plenty of bounce from the pitch when the third Test begins in Perth on Friday.
    Cameron Sutherland said on Sunday he believes the wicket will play similarly to last year’s Ashes Test, when pacers Mitchell Johnson and Ryan Harris shared 18 wickets against England in a 267-run win by Australia.
    Those conditions may lead Australia to opt for a four-man pace attack and leave out spinner Nathan Lyon, who made little impact in the first two Tests.
    Harris and towering pacer Mitchell Starc have been called into the squad, covering the loss of James Pattinson to a foot injury.
    India star batsman Sachin Tendulkar is still seeking his record 100th international century, having been on 99 since March. Tendulkar is the only Indian batsman to have scored a Test century at the WACA, although it’s not a venue the visitors have played at in recent tours.
    Australia coach Mickey Arthur expects India will have problems with the conditions in Perth.
    “Certainly in the first innings, they didn’t look comfortable,” Arthur said of the Sydney Test. “They looked comfortable in the second innings … (but) this is a wicket (Sydney), and Adelaide, that most resembles the subcontinent.
    “The WACA is going to be totally different. There’ll be a lot of pace, a lot of bounce. It’ll be interesting to see how they go there.”
    India are expected to make a change to its batting line-up, with Rohit Sharma in line to make his Test debut and replace the struggling Virat Kohli in the middle order.
    “Rohit’s had his challenges on wickets that bounce,” Arthur said.

  105. #107 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:44 PM

    Akram fears another Indian rout

    His pre-series premonition of India conceding a 2-0 lead to Australia has already come true. If Dhoni and his men do not improve their body language on the field and see the Australians in the eye, Wasim Akram won’t be surprised if Australia clinch the next two Tests in Perth and Adelaide and win 4-0.

    According to Akram, only winning at home does not make any side the No. 1 team in the world. India’s reputation had taken a beating in England and the signs are not encouraging in Australia, either.

    “Winning matters, but to win overseas is the real thing. India does well in their backyard but are found wanting when they play on foreign pitches. When I was playing, Pakistan had won in New Zealand, Australia, West Indies and England and that made us a top side,” said Akram in a chat with espnstar.com from Sydney.

    The innings defeat at Sydney was India’s sixth successive Test loss, overseas. The consistency in such poor performance is clearly alarming. Akram says there is something seriously wrong in planning and execution.

    “India are seriously looking out of sorts. There seems to be no planning in the team. Players are just looking like individuals and not gelling as a unit. This is surprising considering the fact that almost the same team were world No. 1 just a few months back,” observed Akram.

  106. #108 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:46 PM

    PCB to buy bomb-proof buses

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) will buy two bomb- and bullet-proof buses for international cricket commitments in the country.

    The decision was taken in a meeting held between Interior Minister Rehman Malik and chairman PCB Zaka Ashraf here on Thursday.

    “To make the journey safe, it has been suggested that the PCB should buy two bomb- and bullet-proof buses,” Rehman Malik said following the meeting. He said that required permission has been given to the PCB and it is up to the board to decide from where the buses should be bought. “Interior Ministry’s NOC is a must for the purpose.”

  107. #109 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 7:52 PM

    England struggled in their batting today.

    Is Pakistan going to beat England?

    Will Misbah’s aggression and never-say-die attitude topple the best team in the world?

  108. #110 by Raju reporter on January 8, 2012 - 7:55 PM

    Ks

    veena ka aashiq to jail mein sadr raha hae, ab kis ka dimagh kharab hae

    mush ko to dus seaten bhi nahi milengi, ateeqa odho ko rabrdi khilae ga

    india ka to 4-0 ka janaza lag raha hae

  109. #111 by Raju reporter on January 8, 2012 - 8:11 PM

    Apart from the SRT thing, one more reason for India’s mediocre performance has been their aversion to DRS. Its laughable how Dhobi continues to debate over its limitations without realising how much the game has improved. We all agree that its still not 100% and it wont be. it will always be precise ratjher than accurate. But to constanstly whine about it and not to acceppt it is very childish.

    the impression indian team gives is that DRS has cost them few matches- BS.

    It was DRS who saved tendulkar in WC. Come on accept technology, i mean it should be a uniform playing field.

  110. #112 by Raju reporter on January 8, 2012 - 8:15 PM

    What I mean is after the England tour there was no post mortem and all the focus was on DRS, tendulkar 100 bla bla…..

    One got the impression that selectors and public felt india would havew a good outing in OZ.

    well they have as this is just what sunny coomented on seeing dhobi and kohli at yarra river.

    now dravid will be 39 in one week and tendulksar 39 in 3 months.

    so Indfia where you are heading with these ageing players- neither they are delivering nor getting younger.

  111. #113 by Raju reporter on January 8, 2012 - 8:17 PM

    Sorry to say even if India draws this series it doesnt deserve to be world no2. period!

    if a side loses 6 consecutive tests and still remains no2, something is wrong with the assessment procedure.

  112. #114 by Raju reporter on January 8, 2012 - 8:26 PM

    Well no wonder his departure made pakistan poor bakaoz he took a lot with himself

    Jeaay mush- pakistan thush!

    http://www.geo.tv/VideoPortal/VideoGallery.aspx?ID=2750

  113. #115 by Sentinel Prime on January 8, 2012 - 11:05 PM

    RR

    Bill Clinton and Musharraf are the two highest charging ex-Presidents for lectures and speeches.

    Assuming that there has been corruption just because someone is wealthy is unwise.

    His enemies who are implicating him in the murder of BB and Bugti and missing persons etc can surely implicate him in corruption cases easily, but they know that there has been no corruption as far as Musharraf himself is concerned. It’s easier to draw a link between BB’s assassination and Musharraf than corruption and Musharraf.

    Imran Khan is also extremely wealthy but, he is not accused of corruption.

  114. #116 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 2:28 AM

    Ks

    this report is by geo which was pro mush after he left.

    Bill clinton was always rich and mind you there were inquiries about his fortune.

    Anyway mush’s odds of winning are equal to india’s odds of squaring the series- 1%!

  115. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 9, 2012 - 4:31 AM

    khansahab

    Is Zaka Ashraf qualified to be the Chairman of the PCB? He is neither talented, nor qualified, nor capable, yet he is the Chairman of the PCB. Khotay Day Whatever say kismet likhai hai inho nay apni, aur doosraon par eteraaz, WAH?

  116. #118 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 9, 2012 - 4:51 AM

    Raju

    I agree with you on “altered DRS saving Tendulkar in the WC.”

    But, I don’t agree on corruption charges against Mush, there are a lot of rumours about him being a Billionaire and someone has quoted even bank account numbers with balances in his account in Dubai. Please check the link. There is also a denial below in the same article by Musharraf’s spokesperson and his party’s information secretary Fawad Chaudhry Advocate.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=11566&Cat=13

    First of all the bank can be sued if the account number and balances are correct, because there is always a banker/customer relationship and laws of secrecy are applied, the information is not public. However, governments can get bank details if they want through an order from the SC of the country unlike the off-shore accounts obtaining information is relatively more difficult.

    The news item says Union National Bank, Dubai is an investment bank, it is wrong. It is a commercial bank meaning they are doing business as a retail bank as well as corporate bank, they may have a Investments Department BUT, it is NOT a designated Investment Bank ONLY. Its head office is in Abu Dhabi and not in Dubai as the news says. Whoever wrote that article is a naive person and it is designed to malign Mush and the news is very misleading. The thenews.com.pk can be sued if the information is incorrect, and if it is correct then the bank will be in trouble. I am sure the bank will NOT reveal information to people or journalists or media. This is simply Bull Shit.

  117. #119 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 8:02 AM

    jk

    I dont know much about banks but what I do know is that mere denial is not enough. Geo has a huge viewership base and it just doesnt show fairy tale stuff. if all this is bogus, mush should sue Geo. Suing banks would mean acknowledgement so it would back fire.

    having said that, I dont beleieve mush is pious or the one eyed king. If PPP offers him an OLIVE BRANCH right now, he will cling to it with both hands as he has done devious deals with PPP before. If Mush is seriuos abut elections, he should take these news items seriously and just not dismiss them as hearsay.

  118. #120 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 9, 2012 - 8:42 AM

    Reporter Raju, I don’t want to go into political aspects of what Mush wants to do or, what he has done in the past and whether he will pluck Zardari’s olive or BB’s whatever. But, one thing is sure, his past is apparently much better than others in terms of increasing the country’s GNP, GDP, Balance of payment, forex reserves etc., also in improving the required infrastructure of the country by creating more new universities, colleges, educational institutions and giving freedom to this Ch2 media etc., etc. He also made mistakes but, his mistakes are much less than his good deeds, whereas, others have not done a single good deed, Mian saab blabs about the highway, freeway, expressway, motorway or whichever way. He did nothing for the country. In fact he wired all his money abroad and froze ALL FC accounts of people like you and I.

    In the context of that news about Mush’s accounts, ALL I am saying is, irrespective of who said what, whether the info is right or wrong those involved can be in real trouble, it is not like Veena Malik or Reema we are talking about. Bakaoz…….

    1. IF the info is correct then banks cannot be spared for leaking the info. and they are liable to be sued.
    2. IF the person who obtained this info remains incognito or protected by the media, the media is in trouble.
    3. IF the info is incorrect, then the banks can also sue the media and the person who have reported this to the media.

    IT is not so easy for the people or the media to obtain personal info, especially from banks. If someone obtains my account information whether right or wrong, without my written consent and uses my name in the media, I will sue them both i.e., the bank and the media. Then the media has to deal with that Ch2 who gave them the right or, wrong info.

    Media does not have the immunity to expose anyone in public. This is not spot fixing case.

    If the media wants to expose Mush through those account details, they better substantiate their claim that he took so much bribe or such and such cut from so and so company or a person for such and such project. Which they cannot. As regards justification, neither Zardari nor, Nawaz have tried to justify how they acquired and amassed the huge wealth? They remained silent because, “kuch tou hai jis ki parda dari hai.” Let us see what Mush has to say?

    Mush’s case is reportedly different from these two, reportedly he was giving lectures in the US and was charging US$300K-400K per lecture. And, I remember reading in one of the US newspapers that in one particular year he had given 17 such lectures in the USA alone. He also gave similar lectures in China and a few European countries. He may have earned 15-20 million dollars and people have the tendency to exaggerate the amounts especially by converting it in rupees and then from millions to crores and arabs and kharabs.

    If his wealth can be substantiated and justified with proofs such as legally obtained money then, he has all the right to keep his money in the UAE or Timbuktu. Whoever that person is, who wrote that news item or given it to the GEO TV has not worked like Sherlock Holmes or Colombo (Peter Falk), I mean these are not off-shore secret or numbered accounts which is very, very hard to get any info on them.

    Assuming that the account details are correct, then there must be a mole in the bank who must have sold this info to the media, which is again highly illegal and not only the bank, but the UAE Central Bank will take action because, it will affect the credibility of the country which is heavily dependent on foreign investors and expatriates living there and saving their life income.

    Eventually, it is up to Mush to sue him/them or not. But, if he sues them, he is pretty much in his rights to do that.

    IMO, GEO TV or any other Lallu Panju Media Co., in India or Pakistan are not so reliable to be trusted and other big international news agencies will think twice before publishing nothing against him.

  119. #121 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 9:09 AM

    jk

    mush is contesting an election and a mere denial is not enough.

    if he doesnt sue the bank or the channel, it will give some credence to these allegations

    What Mush did in his previous term, any leader would have done that!

    can you imagine pk in 2012 not having private channels or cellular networks, it was bound to happen

    secondly, I have a very low opinion about politicians who flee their country and talk about patriotism- sheer hypocrisy

    Do you have any plausible answer as to why he’s outside pakistan for the past 3 years?

    Look I dont rate geo highly but the public here takes it very seriously.

    and speaking of mistakes, his biggest selfish mistake was to MAKE DEALS WITH THESE A**HO**S ON BASIS OF NRO!

    and it was just to save his B**t!

    This is passive corruption ie allow corrupts to bypass the system so as to save your job.

    He should come here and face the music but honestly I still have doubts whether he’l come or not. Right now, he’s lobbying with saudi and american pr offiicals to get a safe passage in pakistan.

    To be very frank with you, in terms of CONNECT ( context of ex…..circums…. ) :wink: , i dont see much hope for pk.

    immi is an establishment tool and his turn is next. rite now im even hearing there may be a covert deal between him and PPP where zardari or senate may remain with ppp and and he’ll get national govt.

    ganja is a disaster and PPPP is BS

    mqm is pure oppotunist party always sides with the rising sun

    and Mush will shake hands with the devils!

    but rite now Mush has the least political chips in his hand and he’s not a serious contender.

  120. #122 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 9, 2012 - 9:21 AM

    I never said Mush is going to win elections. I had always said that even Imran (alone) can never win elections but, right now he is doing well, SMQ joining his party was the best thing that happened to Tehrik-e-Insaaf, after that everyone else is joining and I dunno who is making deals with whom? That is why I call you Reporter Raju to give info. I don’t give a tosh to Zardari or the Ganja and I have no clue where will Mush fit into this equation? I had asked this question earlier to you…… remember?

    Secondly, my observation about progress was based on the facts and figures that I gathered once and they are posted on this blog a few years ago, I do not want to delve into it again to prove, there is nothing to prove. But, I know for sure that during his era PK made a lot of progress and there was a lot of Zarr-e-Mubadala in the coffers and now there is only Zarr-Daari-Chor and coffers are empty.

    Honestly speaking I don’t care whether Imran comes or Mush all I want to see is Pakistan becomes a peaceful, prosperous country and progress in the right direction. Politicians come and Politicians go, but the country remains and it should remain prosperous.

    About MQM, eye yum yagree!

  121. #123 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 9:24 AM

    yeah jk i wish the same

    but honestly i dont see that happening

    at least if immi comes may be cricket will improve ;)

    otherwise i dont see any other noticeable improvement.

  122. #124 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 10:56 AM

    jk

    the argument about mush’s prosperous era is as shaky as misbha’s successful yeatr in test cricket

    supporteres say it was a wonderful year with only one loss and 6 wins

    we say opposition was meek and misbha cant deliver bakaoz he’s defensive

    we also say any capt would hav e delivered the same result

    similarly any leaader could have expolited 9-11 and led to prosperity; mush was standing in front of an open goal with no one defending

    thats for granted that one will score, just like misbha

    secondly, i feel mush is politicaly a defensive leader who survived by virtue of uniform and global economic boom

    i dont think he can deliver in today’s recession and his brand of politics will fail!

    but yet if anyone still points to his record then misbha also has a record mind you

    bottom line is just like india needs new batsman , pk needs new leadership

    but it shouldnt be considered a support for immi, i mean enough of these ganja, altaf, zardari, mush etyc…

    immi is only benefiting bakaoz he’s untested. perhaps his boycott decision which looked styupid in 2008 now looks a master stroke!

  123. #125 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 11:00 AM

    and mush’s statement about Israel recognition is another ch2 from an electoral perspective!

    you cant win elections in pk by supporting tieswith israel

    check this out!

    http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/editorials/09-Jan-2012/musharraf-and-israel

  124. #126 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 11:03 AM

    england need 94 runs from 34 overs with 7 wickets to win side match

    ks, how do u read this now?

    do they pose a threat to pk?

  125. #127 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 12:08 PM

    jk

    the broad is broadening

    48.1

    Rankin to Broad, FOUR, good length delivery outsidde off stump, broad goes hard at it, gets a thick outside edge, tentatively close to the diving point fielder

    49.4 Mohammad Nabi to Broad, SIX, steps down and clears the boundary a huge distance

    25 to get in 15 overs with 4 wkts.

  126. #128 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 12:27 PM

    jk/ks

    just received an SMS; confirmation is pending but generally source is authentic

    IMRAN KHAN’S PTI HAS OFFICIALLY REFUSED APML ( MUSH PARTY) FOR AN ELECTORAL ALLIANCE

  127. #129 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 12:45 PM

    England were given a target of 260 in 70 overs which they accomplished in 60 overs.

    now a question for mishap fans; how he would have approached

    well he would have scored 100 in 70 overs and then said DRAW IS BETTER THAN WIN!

    anyway, it was a side match and still its early days

    englund win by 3 wkts!

  128. #130 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 12:53 PM

    well buddhas galore

    dravid, tendulkar, mishapopotymust, and now kaaallissss………

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-sri-lanka-2011/content/current/story/548675.html

    nobody is in a mood to retire!

  129. #131 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 1:38 PM

    RR

    Geo TV is often claimed to be the channel responsible for bringing Musharraf’s downfall and their three key anchors, Hamid Mir, Kamran Khan and Shahid Masood claimed that Musharraf was being heavy handed towards them and trying to clamp down their anti Musharraf coverage.

    Geo carries a grudge against Musharraf.

    So, I would be careful about what they are reporting.

    I don’t believe that they would be pro Musharraf after his exit because wounds don’t heal in such a short span of time.

  130. #132 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 1:44 PM

    RR

    Saying that Pakistan was bound to have cellular networks and media channels is like, 3-D cinema was bound to happen in the 21st century or China was bound to become a superpower, so no credit should be given to them for their commitment to their economy and patriotism.

    Tendulkar was bound to break all records playing for 22 years, so why give him credit for his strokeplay or skill?

    Pakistan was in top 10 fastest growing economies in the world under Musharraf’s time- why couldn’t they be top 50 or top 100?

    Under current government the economy has worsened so, will you say that it is bound to happen in 21st century?

    Cellular networks and media channels require lots of many different initiatives and circumstances. They need law and order, they need infrastructure, they need a business atmosphere that invites FDI.

    You don’t get these facilities just because you are in the 21st century.

    Now Pakistan has almost no train system and PIA is nearing collapse. So, can you imagine a Pakistan like this in the 21st century?

  131. #133 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 3:43 PM

    India break quicker than anyone in the world: Haddin

    PERTH: Australian wicketkeeper batsman Brad Haddin on Monday fired a fresh salvo at the struggling Indian team ahead of Friday’s third Test, saying the visitors “break quicker than anyone in the world” when things are not going their way.

    Haddin said the Australian team had discussed the mental frailty of Indian players during the second Test in Sydney last week, which the hosts won by an innings and 68 runs.

    “We spoke about a bit of that when we were batting. The longer we could keep them out on the field the bigger chance we had of breaking them. We know this side can be as fragile as any team in the world if things aren’t going their way and they can turn on each other and the media turns on them pretty quick.

    “We knew if we could keep them out there and put the numbers like we did on the board we knew we’d get the rewards because they break quicker than anyone in the world,” Haddin was quoted as saying by the ‘Sydney Morning Herald’.

    Down 0-2 in the four-Test series with crushing defeats in Melbourne and Sydney, the third game at the WACA is a must-win one for India who are beset with bowling and batting issues.

    Haddin also claimed that Australia have found a weakness in the armour of senior India batsman Sachin Tendulkar, whose quest for a 100th international hundred will restart in Perth.

    Tendulkar has scored 226 runs at an average of 56.5 in the first two Tests, but the historic milestone has so far eluded him.

    “What we have found is if we can build enough pressure on him he wants to score and he wants to feel bat on ball and he wants to get into a rhythm. We find if we can push him a little wider, make him feel for the ball a bit we can build enough pressure to get a chance and it’s worked in the last two Tests,” said Haddin.

    Haddin said that paceman Peter Siddle could make life difficult for Tendulkar in the coming matches.

    Siddle dismissed the champion batsman twice in the first Test at the MCG.

    “We’ve found he can be a bit uncomfortable in the areas Siddle’s been bowling to him. I knew if we could build enough pressure we can create a chance to get him. He’s a great player and it’s always a privilege to play against guys like this.

    “There’s been a lot of talk about his hundredth hundred but from our point of view it’s our job to make sure he doesn’t get it this series,” added Haddin.

  132. #134 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 3:44 PM

    Sharma in trouble for the ‘bird’

    INDIAN paceman Ishant Sharma could find himself in hot water after giving a middle-finger salute to locals during the team’s visit to a go-karting track in Perth.

    The incident comes only days after batsman Virat Kohli was fined half his match fee for the same gesture towards the crowd during the SCG Test. Kohli claimed on Twitter that spectators were shouting abuse about his mother and sister, but later expressed regret via a Board of Control for Cricket in India spokesman after being charged by the ICC match referee.

    The latest drama is the last thing the India needs as it aims to prevent Australia clinching the Border-Gavaskar trophy in the third Test, starting at the WACA on Friday.

  133. #135 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 9, 2012 - 4:15 PM

    Yawn!!!! I woke up late, after sleeping very late and after breakfast, I have just read this comment of Raju about comparing Mush avec Miss.

    Mere Bhai, there is an expression which is always used to differentiate things and that is: “Compare Apples with Apples and not with Oranges.” Missy is Missy you wanna compare him try to find Veena, Meena, Deeka or Poonam Shoonam and that will suit him well.

    On Mush’s era which you call it post 9/11 era as a prosperous era right? The reality is most businesses and organizations suffered very badly in 2001’s last quarter i.e., immediately after 9/11 and it took them two to three years to recover, meaning coming back to normal level.

    As regards the aid, we all know that the aid is a taboo for Pakistanis (whereas, AIDS is a taboo for the rest of the world.) I am never impressed by the huge talk about the aid being given to Pakistan in billions of dollars. First of all, its a marketing gimmick, secondly the amount is always inflated, thirdly the way they never give cash, only in goods and the way they calculate aid is ridiculous i.e., they include the cost of maintenance of their military, including the personnel salary, food, etc., equipment, ware & tare, depreciation, write off’s etc.

    So, my dear RR all this hoopla about aid is just a Tamasha, Hathi kay daant khaanay kay aur, dikhanay kay aur. In old days Japan and Russia used to do this, yani offering Yen Credit and Rubel Credit. It was never in cash, only for buying Japanese equipment or Russian equipment and in case of building a JV under Yen Cr. they used to send engineers and administrators and add up their salaries, first class air-fares, 5 star hotel bills etc. etc. So, don’t believe in all what you hear about this aid business.

  134. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 9, 2012 - 4:20 PM

    khansahab

    Finger showing gesture is NOT a big thing and I think Australians are SISSYS the crowd can yell at the player’s mother and sister for no reason, they cannot control their own crowd and they want the Indian players to be penalized for finger gestures? This is rubbish, some of the section of the Indian crowd in India were fined for monkey jumping because in their eyes it is “racism”, when Harbhajan Singh said, TERE MAA KI to Symonds he complained that he is calling him a Monkey.

    In India and Pakistan calling someone a Monkey means nothing but, if someone says, TERE MAA KI……. people end up fighting and get physical.

    Now, Haddin is playing mental games and it is OK for the Australians, that is why I say, Australians are the biggest whiners when they are losing and when they are winning, they are the biggest abusers. Ch2 hain saray kay saray!

  135. #137 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 9, 2012 - 4:40 PM

    Raju

    On cellular technology, I remember when I went for Hajj from Dubai to KSA by road, upon entering KSA, I had to hide my cell phone under the car seat because, in KSA it was illegal to even take a cell phone and there was of course, no service. A cell phone without service is a piece of junk and nothing else. Still those dimwits used to say “Hatif Muttaharik Mumnoon hini.” Cell phone is prohibited here. LOL.

    As far as Pakistan’s boasting about cell phone technology or usage of cell phones, I remember right here on this blog someone boasted about the growth of telecommunication industry in Pakistan by saying it has grown by 1500% or 1500 folds as compared to the previous years. I had asked him to correct his misconception because, Pakistan does not manufacture any cell phones, they used to import and are still importing. Whereas, the usage of phones has generated income for the trading companies who have bought servers and other equipment, which again is an expense and this industry can be classified as a service industry because Pakistan does not manufacture even the parts. Similarly, the media has thrived on satellite technology but, they do not manufacture satellite the space and upper atmosphere research committee or SUPARCO in Karachi is nothing but a Met office kinda organization.

    I am not trying to defend Mush here, but trying to clear off the misconception people have about certain items and products which Pakistan does not manufacture but, import them. Whenever there is a rapid growth there is bound to be a glut and bankruptcies I have heard that one of the leading telecom company got busted and broke (Zong?) I dunno for sure but, I have heard about it.

    Likewise, in Dubai when there was an artificial boom in the real estate market, I said this is a bubble and it will burst one day and it happened. I have not invested a single cent in Dubai real estate market my friends did and lost huge sums of money. There are people who are visionaries and there are people who are short sighted and in Hina Rabbani’s case, Pro-active. The word she often uses and the funny word that she uses while speaking Urdu is, Mansab. Yae, iss Mansab ka hai, Vo uss Mansab ka hai, Aur ye konsay Mansab ka hai? I don’t see people using this word in a day to day language. I remember a guy whose name was Mansab Dad Khan. :D

  136. #138 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 4:54 PM

    khansahab

    if the report is fake, mush should sue Geo, its that simple.

    silence is not the appropriate tactic. when u run for election, you have to clear yourself of allegations.

    well if you beat journalists so channels specially geo’s, they will carry a grudge

    btw, zardari is more targeted by geo than mush and some of my political friends cum experts tell me geo was supportive of mush after his exit.

    regarding mush’s achievements, I reiterate context is important when analysing.

    instaphone and paktel (2G) networks were launched in nawaz’s era so should one credit him with telecom revolution?

    i find this argument quite bizarre, coz In the West new technologies keep on popping all the time but leaders never take credit for that.

    its like obama taking credit for iphone, come on guys nobody will buy that.

    JAVED

    apples and pears can be compared if you talk about their nutritional value, price etc…

    i know what context you mean but what iam saying is that achievements without taking background into consideration never qualirfies for sound analysis. to illustrate my point i had to give erxample of misbha- classical example of achievements creating a HALO EFFECT!

    what has happened is democracy never gave results which it should have so we support dictators. even now people want kiyani to topple this govt.ultimately martial law also has limitations and then we never see stability.

    just like misbha’s supporterts fear defeat so they want him to continue with a negative approach, paki public is happy with dictators and when they fail its calls for democracy again.

    anyway, mush wont come as today sindh interior minister says he’ll be arrested and i dont think he’ll take that risk.

  137. #139 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 4:57 PM

    jk

    the thing with pakistan is illiteracy and its expolited by all leaders.

    classical edxample is the ceeluuar technology thing you say that is claimed to grow 1500 ala blas- Absolute BS

    until literacy comes, this country wont prosper and sadly no party or leader has a template for that.

  138. #140 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 4:58 PM

    anyway guys englund won the side match

    what do u feel? will pk be bothered by this result or not

  139. #141 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 5:02 PM

    RR

    Zulfiqar Mirza beat up journalists.

    Lawyers beat up journalists during Musharraf era.

    Nawaz Sharif’s men beat up journalists in Karachi recently.

    Who doesn’t beat them up?

    So why only target Musharraf?

  140. #142 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 5:02 PM

    tim bresnan out of pk englund test series

    this definitely is a booster shot for pk

  141. #143 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 5:05 PM

    ks

    for some unknown reason mush is stranded

    I really dont know why?

    i mean even allies like US,UK have ditched him

    he has really few friends here

    and when he spits pro israel policies, that rubs salt into the wounds.

    Its bad karma, jais karni waisii bharni, i dont know?

  142. #144 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 5:07 PM

    RR

    Obama won’t take credit for Iphone but he will take credit for providing an environment for Iphone to be developed, promoted, distributed and for Iphone’s competitors to do the same.

    People in Pakistan are thankless and have forgotten the days when food and commodities were available in shops on reasonable prices and Pakistan had a reliable airline and rail system.

  143. #145 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 5:09 PM

    lo ji mein phir bhaag raha hun

    jawed paeeee mamlaaaaaaaaaaa gadbadr hae ya aise hi drame baazi

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30294

  144. #146 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 5:12 PM

    RR

    Well that should tell you that the West and Israel are not his allies, if they are not supporting him in hour of need.

    Neither is the Army supporting him.

    You are blaming him for NRO, but if he was really so keen on having Zardari and Nawaz back, why would he create NAB and send them and their supporters to prison or exile in the first place?

    If there was no NRO what would have happened to Pakistan? It was evident Musharraf would not win the 2008 election because of rising unpopularity and there were no other parties. It would have been an unworkable government if PPP and N League would not have won the majority of seats.

    How do you form a government without Q League, N League and PPP? With hostile religious parties?

  145. #147 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 5:15 PM

    ks

    i dont think obama will take credit or for that matter american public is naive enough to buy this argument.

    the only issue that rases debate in US is about stem cells and abortion ( technology wise). even abortion has more ethical dimensions then technology.

    qibla naashukra pan to bare sagheer ki rag rag mein hae

    its in the psyche and aint gonna change

    it has nothing to do with any leader or party

    see where is jinnah’s offspring today?

    none of them live in pakistan !

  146. #148 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 5:21 PM

    ks

    you form a government with PTI ;)

    hahahaha!

    thats why mush is running behind them and he got snubbed

    on a serious note, NRO was a hideous deal, and clearly smacks off preservation of one’s seat !

    i mean look at what it stands for

    national reconciliation ordinance!

    you make deals with thieves, pardon them just to save your b**t

    no wonder mush got ditched!

    it was sheer stupidity and cheapness on his part to stoop so low

    he should have honorably resigned if he fekt tide was against him

    at least he could have some moral points in his favor today

    now its all haunting him!

  147. #149 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 5:24 PM

    anyway, i may be wrong and mush may still come

    he may play a pivotal role in politics

    guys check this out

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/09/musharraf-discusses-his-return-with-kayani.html

  148. #150 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 5:43 PM

    RR

    I don’t understand how Obama can be responsible for current state of unemployment and inflation in USA but, in your opinion he cannot be responsible for other economic indicators such as technological progress.

    Why is there a rail and air travel crisis in Pakistan at the moment, considering it’s the 21st century?

    Technology, media, flyovers, schools and projects, minority rights, local government etc, these are all legacies of the Musharraf era and Pakistani people benefit from these blessings everyday but they are thankless and I guess they deserve to be ruled by crooks and thieves who are as thankless and insincere as them.

  149. #151 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 5:46 PM

    RR

    Well, whatever the nature of that “deal” was, it hasn’t saved Musharraf from receiving warrants and threats that he will be arrested on his return.

    Guess the thieves and crooks didn’t hold their part of the bargain.

  150. #152 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 6:00 PM

    ks

    when thieves and crooks are supposed to homnor their commitment?

    secondly, who makes pacts with thieves? obviously a thief!

    deals havent saved mush bakaoz they were never supposed to

    he got trapped in his own web

  151. #153 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 6:04 PM

    ks

    if paki public is insicere which i agree to an extent it is, then we have to consider two things

    does the public deserve this country, bakaoz thanklessness drives a bounty away

    secondly does pakistan have a future? bakaoz all of us deep down feel it has else we wouldnt have discussed all this

    i feel either its make or break now and i say what javed said today that regardless whomsoever comes, may pk become prosperous

  152. #154 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 6:12 PM

    RR

    At least first people should agree on the minimum common agenda that Musharraf is good for the country.

    If they can’t agree to that then what is the point of hoping for good times and prosperity?

    As for extending a hand of friendship towards Israel, at least he is not a hypocrite that on the face of it he will adopt a stance against them but behind closed doors he will favour them.

    How can someone be pro America but anti Israel at the same time?

  153. #155 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 6:17 PM

    RR

    You are asking about prosperity but, Musharraf is the best this country is ever going to get.

    Maybe Imran Khan can turn things around but in terms of maturity he is miles behind Musharraf.

    Imran was nothing until the establishment backed him. He has done nothing remarkable himself.

  154. #156 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 6:23 PM

    ks

    pakistan existed before mush and I think and hope it will exist sans mush.

    if for some reason mush expieres, pk would still remain!

    after all he’s not greater than Jinnah or is he?

    so even jinnah died but the country remained, may be not in an ideal state

    regarding israel, its just a ploy by mush to get US support but its not working

    its too ill conceived. it seems like he’s not being properly counselled or perhaps his intoxication makes him mutter these senseless ejaculations.

    you cant market such policies in an islamic country, no matter how hypocritical the public be here

    its foolhardiness on his part to ask for israel rather than honesty

    you have to understand the electorate and then conduct your policies, you cant just say senseless things

    see obama first supported 9-11 mosque but then retracted diplomatically bakaoz electorate got upset.

    pro america is different than pro israel

    if its the other way then rite now iran is the only anti us islamic country.

  155. #157 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 6:28 PM

    ks

    i dont believe in paucity of talent

    so i disagree mush is the best

    it is reminiscent of misbha is the best, nobody can become captain now so persist with him.

    we have ideological grounds to oppose his captaincy and i have reservations about mush.

    you are forgetting mush was the establishment when he ruled for 8 years, as army chief is unoffiicail head of executive in this country.

    he didnt win any election and i dont see this happening even today.

    so immi can be given benefit of doubt

  156. #158 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 6:53 PM

    “Musharraf is the only leader in 64 years who does not have one corruption case against him”: APML spokesman

  157. #159 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 6:56 PM

    RR

    Imran said there will be a change of faces in his party and new people will be brought. He is now inviting old horses in his party.

    He said horse traders will not be welcomed, but there is horse trading.

    He said corrupt people will not be welcomed, but now that has changed and now it is, “Corrupt people will not be given a ticket”.

    So, lies and double standards have already started.

    What next?

  158. #160 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 8:04 PM

    only leader in 64 years not have corruption cases????

    how many corruption cases were against zia ul haq?

    ” ” ” ” ” ” bhutto? he was sentenced to death for murder by a 4-3 majority; 4 judges were from punjab and 3 were from other provinces

    what about likes of fatima jinnah, liaqaut ali khan?

    even ch2 leaders like qazi hussain dont have any corruption cases

    now for some facts aboutt NRO

    zardari has the most cases under corruption pardoned due to NRO

    altasf has the most murder cases pardoned under NRO

    question.) why a drug peddlar is a criminal; although he doesnt use drugs?

    bakaoz he sells them, markets them.

    so who marketed a law to allow corrupts to rule pakistan?

  159. #161 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 8:05 PM

    ks

    regarding immi, he’s cashing now as it is his turn

    well lotism is nothing new and it will remain in pakistan

    having sdaid that, Im not expecting much from him

  160. #162 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 8:08 PM

    what other corruption case one should look for when he facilitated this scum zardari

    brokered deals just to prolong his tenure

    he’s lucky he fled and I dont think he has the gumption to come home.

  161. #163 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 8:20 PM

    jk

    look at this height of BSism!

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30316

    nonsense! in pk one should be son of a landlord or a general :razz:

  162. #164 by Raju reporter on January 9, 2012 - 8:23 PM

    jk

    you were asking few days ago why dawn didnt publish news of early elections

    it seems zardari has a supporter in dawn

    just read this ch2 blog

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/08/of-memogate-and-precedence.html

  163. #165 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 11:18 PM

    Tendulkar struggling with a mental block: Latif

    LAHORE – Former Pakistan captain Rashid Latif on Monday suggested that Indian batting icon Sachin Tendulkar should seek counseling from a sports psychologist to get over the “mental block” caused by the continuing wait for his elusive 100th international century. “He is under pressure no doubt about it. He might not admit it but he is facing a mental block because of this hype over his milestone.
    It would not be a bad idea for him to get some counseling from a sports psychologist,” Latif suggested. “He is batting well and he is looking good out in the middle. It is just a mental block and pressure that has prevented him from reaching this milestone earlier,” he said. India lost the first two Tests after batting collapses with Tendulkar scoring a half century in each match but failing to get to his elusive 100th international hundred. Latif was further quoted as saying that he had a feeling that Sachin would get the hundred in the final Test and definitely in the series. He said the world’s top athletes at some time in their career required counselling to get over mental blocks. “It can happen to anyone,” he added. The Indian maestro’s last international century came against South Africa in March last year. Latif pointed out that there was no other plausible reason for Tendulkar not scoring his 100th international hundred. “I have seen many of his innings in the last 10 months and in these two Tests and he is definitely not out of form or facing issues timing the ball.
    He is moving well and is balanced at the crease this can be judged by the fact that he has scored runs but fallen short of the hundred,” the former Pakistan captain pointed out. Latif also felt that critics and former players calling for the heads of their senior batsmen need to accept that India didn’t have the bowling firepower to bowl out Australia twice. “How can any team hope to do well with a bowling attack that lacks experience and can’t provide support to its batsmen. The problem is apart from Zaheer Khan they don’t have much variety and options. Dropping Harbhajan Singh for the Tests was also a mistake because clearly Ashwin is not ready for Test cricket.”

  164. #166 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 11:23 PM

    JAK

    I agree that showing middle finger in Australia is not a big deal. But I feel it is also important for the Indians to show some restraint.

    This is a slightly alien culture for them and they should realise sledging and taunting happens commonly in Australian sport.

    I think this shows what kind of frustration the Indians are experiencing.

    Many people are now predicting the series result to be 4-0.

    India need to get into the habit of winning outside India. In terms of all over ability India now look like they should be no 4, not no 2 in the rankings. Problem is that South Africans and England players also don’t perform very well abroad, but they definitely perform better than India.

    Due to their choking nature and questionable performance on foreign tours, I feel SA should be ranked at no 3 and Australia is the 2nd best team at the moment after England.

  165. #167 by Sentinel Prime on January 9, 2012 - 11:27 PM

    This is what you get by playing vs minnows…..

    Australia are only rating 4 points ahead of Pakistan in the rankings. They are 15 rating points behind India.

    LOL, to imagine the difference between Pakistan and Australia being 4! Pakistan has benefited so much from playing minnows….

  166. #168 by NewGuy on January 10, 2012 - 2:11 AM

    There is a lot of heat on Indian team, but is that all deserved?

    I think criticism when it is warranted is required, but it has to be constructive. Indian media has gone hyperbole instead of being constructive and helpful to the team. It is not going to help India’s cause in the middle of a tour, when the Indian media primarily start throwing around 4-0 whitewash.

    It is one thing it happened in England, a rare event for India after they came out of minnow status in late 60’s. By comparison, England was whitewashed 5-0 in Australia, not once, but twice. Australia too have lost 3-1 to England, with three innings defeats.

    I am not defending Indian teams performance and giving them an easy escape. Surely they need to be given criticism, but it has to be through proper channel, behind the public. The trail should not be by media, and it should not be mid series.

    Indian media is also culpable for bringing up the SRT 100th ton as soon as he hit the 99th. They should have kept it subdued and he might have achieved it way earlier.

    In many ways, Indian fans and Indian media and the worst enemy of their team. They want the team to win every match and every series. They care about no other team in the world, in their one eyed world view there exists India only. If India falter even one bit, for these arm chair captains it is too much to tolerate.

    It is too hypocritical of pot bellied middle aged men to comment on the lack of athleticism of cricketers. Sure, they can say cricketers are professional and so they should be fitter. But the culture has to form from within. Indians by nature are not very athletic, because they hardly work out, then they take pot shots at their cricketers.

    Again, Cricketer need to be kept to higher standards required of professional players representing the country, but they cannot expect these folks to be super human.

    I checked India’s record overseas. In the last ten years, they are next only to Australia and South Africa in away win / loss ratio. They have a better win / loss ratio than SA at home, making them second only to Australia in the decade when Australia dominated world cricket.

    This is a good record. Problem is their 90’s record is pathetic. In the 1990’s, India won not a single Test match out side of sub continent. This gave them a very bad tag. This tag was erased only with the 10 years of 2000’s. Problem is most people who follow cricket recall the 90’s and know how bad they were, and when they lose 6-0 now, they equate that with 90’s. Rightfully so, but they discount the stellar performance in 2000’s.

    When you look at the progression and decline of teams. India was poor in 90’s, they were really great in 2000’s, and they are again at the start of a new decade since 2011 where they have lost SIX away tests. Since it is at the star, they can fix problems, if everyone looks at it constructively. So that their next 10 years away record do not have to bad. They have time to erase this bad losses, if they plan and execute well.

    Going back to 80’s, 70’s, their record is not great, but not as bad as 90’s because this is the time when Gavaskar, Vishwanath, Amarnath, and Kapil Dev played. India have won overseas at that time. Overall everything before 70’s is bad because they were a minnow in 50’s and 60’s.

    I discount 1932 to 1947 completely because India was not an independent nation. However, their public record shows all those losses as Indian record. In reality they were a British colony as combined India that included Pakistan.

    So, coming to conclusion, yes they have performed poorly overseas in 90’s and are performing poorly now, but they were the best team after Australia and South Africa in the 2000’s, so this slump as a result of team aging should be seen with more compassionate eyes by supporters and should help re-build the team with constructive ideas. Not bad mouthing them all along.

    My expectation is that India can still fight back in Perth. I don’t believe a 4-0 whitewash is on. But I am not sure how much morale they are losing by their own countrymen turning back on them. That will not help at all. So, the seeds of India’s destruction is sown by their own fans, same goes when the team wins too, they hype them up so much. Therefore, perhaps the teams wild swings, losers on 90’s, champs in 2000’s is only a true reflection of the sentiments of Indian public

  167. #169 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 2:19 AM

    khansahab & Raju

    Today, while I was away both of you have exchanged so many comments plus URL’s etc., and after reading all of it, I won’t be able to reply to all those comments individually. But, I do agree with both of you partially, meaning in some cases one is right and in others one is not right. This may sound bizarre bakaoz, I’ve tried to use the same logic which George Bernard Shaw used. When he first went to America, a lot of Americans came to receive him at the airport and were cheering at him, rather welcoming him.

    In his welcome speech he said, “half of the Americans are fools.” There was a pandemonium and a big uproar in the crowd and people started raising slogans against him and were demanding to pull him down and beat him up or whatever. He paused for a moment and then announced LOUDLY….. “I am sorry, I am very sorry, I take back my words and I would like to say, half of the Americans are NOT fools.” The public became very happy, they started clapping and cheering him again.

    LOL, that is not funny what I wrote, it is all in zest and no pun intended. The news of Zardari’s second plight to Dubai on plight number chaar sinfer Ek (PK-401) jo raVangi kay liyeh TaiYarn hai, MuNsafir ZaNdari say darkhowNst kerti hai kay vo apni PayNtee, aNpnay Paint say bandh lain…….. Btw, Raju I was trying to mimic a PeE Iyee Aien ki Air Hostel. Jo Naak say bolti hain……. have you not noticed that before? They all have some kinda nasal issues that everything they mutter senselessly “ejaculates” through their noses! :D

  168. #170 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 2:34 AM

    Well, Hussey is saying they are not talking of 4-0 yet, which shows they are also not very sure of themselves. Perhaps the Perth test will decide the series result, I mean is there total demoralization of Indian team or, are they capable of fighting back. I do agree that a lot of emotions are involved but, Indian batting needs to pull up their socks and fight at Perth otherwise, its a battle already lost. Its a battle of the nerves and mental strength and Haddin is playing McGrath’s role, however Hussey is cautious. Khair!

    Yeah MissyBaba is lucky that Tim Bresnan is out but The Broad is still there to haunt his team. The only team he haunts is PK and gets beaten by everyone. England did not play well in the first innings but, they did in the second innings, I wonder whether PK is watching them play or busy eating Nihari in Dubai. Mohsina already got a green signal from Zaka that he will get another assignment in the PCB, so job and salary is assured for him and he won’t be complaining too much.

    Kallis targeting 2015 WC so, Misbah says, buddy I you are only 506 days older than me, but I am more fit than you and I play slower than you so, I can play up to 2025.

    Raju

    This is another Ch2 episode from Mishap:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/story/548506.html

    Pakistan v England 2011-12

    ‘Better to win by playing defensively’ – Misbah
    Umar Farooq
    January 7, 2012

  169. #171 by NewGuy on January 10, 2012 - 3:30 AM

    JK,

    I think the problem really is with Indian media and fans, this team and the veterans who gave so much to erase the pathetic overseas record of losing team that toured 90’s should be given to go into their golden sunset with respect. Instead, people like VVS Laxman is being talked about as a pushover to make way to rookie Rohit Sharma. When we think about the 90’s team of no hopes, people like Laxman, Dravid, SRT, Sehwag, Kumble, Harbhajan, Zaheer, and many others have given so much to win overseas. India has had several memorable Test wins, in England, Australia, South Africa, NZ, and WI. Heck, the team won Test series in Pakistan, considered to be most difficult place to win for India in 90’s. Instead media is now talking about this team is a bunch of pathetic losers. Sure, they are on a losing streak, but perhaps their powers are waning, as it happens, given how much they contributed to those great overseas wins, they should be cut slack, constructive plans created behind the scenes, and avoid lashing out in public.

    Let the veterans who gave so much be given a peaceful farewell, they are a proud bunch and of course must be feeling the pain, they will decide the right course if they can’t continue to their high standards.

    Every team goes through bad phase. Great WI team did, great Australian team did too, we are seeing the decline of the greatest Indian team ever. It is natural, IMO, they should be given time and space, instead of abuse and thankless behavior.

  170. #172 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 8:12 AM

    jk

    aap ki baat par ke half agree or half disagree karta hun, mujhe ek azeem bloogger ka qaul yaad aya

    glass half full or half empty!

    my teacher used to give another analogy. he would draw picture of sun and partly cover it with a cloud and then ask whats tsh weather.

    partly sunny or partly cloudy? :D

  171. #173 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 8:16 AM

    yes come on india you can do it

    we need to see a contest man, give oit your best shot

    if you square the series, please dedicate it to sachin

    may be he’l also get the 100!

    so all is not lost, ignore the media and the fans and just give these sledgers a run for their money

    you won last time in perth but there is no irfan pathan who was mom last time

    anyway yadav gets bounce and zaheer is bowling well, just dont let them score many runs

    and batters will do the rest?

  172. #174 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 8:19 AM

    jk

    mishap will pllay till hes 60 years old as there is no replacement

    so that would mean 2035

    ahem…. will I live till then?

    anyway, mishap just keep on derawing

    its not that easy and ignore these pesky critics, they dont understand significance of draws and notouts

  173. #175 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 10:13 AM

    SC has delivered its verdict on NRO case and presented 6 options to CJ

    salient points are non serious attitude of govt and dishonesty of PM

    violation of oath by president and PM

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30333

  174. #176 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 10:16 AM

    well the verbal war has started

    haddin fires and zaheer retaliates

    check this out

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/548771.html

  175. #177 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 2:08 PM

    Cracking developments

    1. SC says PM & PRESIDENT MAY GET DISQUALIFIED.

    2. EMERGENCY MEETING OF ZARDARI AMD HIS CHAMCHAS.

    3. KIYANI MEETS WITH ARMY GENERALS TO DECIDE ABOUT GILAN’S STATEMENT WHERE HE CRITICISED SHUJA AND KIYANI. ANALYSTS SAY IMP DEVELOPMENWS MAY OCCUR BTW ARMY AND GOVT. AND FUTURE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP IN NEXT 24 HR.

    and a ch2 development

    zaka says amir may play in future;hes talentd.

  176. #178 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 2:42 PM

    khasees’s latest tweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet……………….

    .Going to Islamabad tomorrow to host live the launch show of PTV sports channel. It’s a big achievement for Pak sports and it’s sportsmen.

  177. #179 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 4:20 PM

    gilani boy looks in phada mood

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30365

  178. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 5:49 PM

    ‘Prima Facie the prime minister is not an honest man and violated his oath.’
    So, does it mean Gillani is OUT leg before the wicket? Or, has he been stumped?

  179. #181 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 5:51 PM

    I think Zaheer Khan did the right thing — tit for tat — Haddin does not have just one big mouth, he has two. :D

  180. #182 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 6:02 PM

    Raju

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30348

    Rahman Malik tried to expose Tindoo Sharif & his BediMash Bhaiyya and he forgot to mention that he (Malak) also made an agreement with his Big Chief Crook who offered him this poye-yun as the interior minister. And, PPP can say whatever they want to say against Musharaf, but they NEVER answer this question:

    IF MUSHARRAF WAS SUCH A BIG CROOK, WHY ON EARTH THE PPP GAVE HIM A GUARD OF HONOUR AS A SEND OFF, i.e., when he left the country? They start BJ-ing (baghlain jhanking) when you ask this question.

  181. #183 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 6:11 PM

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/548780.html

    I am glad to read Zaheer Khan’s positive comments and for a change it was a very fresh move to read his comments as opposed to reading typical templates of Dhoni’s braggadocios who keeps on blabbering the same things again and again with some weird excuses or, blaming his players. Should he not blame himself for poor and defensive captaincy?

  182. #184 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 6:12 PM

    Jk

    it wasnt a guard of honor; it was a token of appreciation for giving them a pass to rule the country.
    Or maybe in a veiled way it was GPL!

    Now army and SC WILL GIVE THEM GPL.

    Sub khuddey lane lagey jk,burai ka anjaam burai hi hota hae. Dunya ke burai ko accha kahne sey burai achaai nahi hojati.

    Khuda ki laathi beawaz hae!

  183. #185 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 6:14 PM

    Raju

    Did I not write a couple of days ago that Aamir, when he will come out of jail in the next few months he will get a Hero’s welcome in PK? So, now Zaka has already prepared the ground for him by laying a RED CARPET for his grand reception. Ajeeb choron ka mulk hai. Chori aur phir seena zori. Chori kero Hero bano. There are no morals, no ethics, no rules, no nothing.

    IMO, the PCB should have announced a life ban on the trio as soon as the verdict was announced. Because, they have brought a bad name for the country.

    And Zaka should be kicked out NOW for saying Aamir will play in future and he is talented.

  184. #186 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 6:16 PM

    Jk

    NRO gobbled its creator,now it will gobble its benefaciries.

    Shame om you filthy leaders for legitimising corruption and defending it.
    U r nothing but toilet flush!
    Khas kum jahan pak!

  185. #187 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 6:20 PM

    Well Raju, on paper it is a guard of honour, whether it is a token or not but, it was. Whereas, Tindoos and BB, when they went they were worried about the C130 Cargo plane which was carrying their belongings to Dubai and KSA.

    On GPL, we always used to add a suffix………..

    GPL — aur haath may biscuit —

    People used to ask why biscuit?
    Jawab: Takay roye nahee, dill behla rehay, biscuit khatay howay takleef ko bhool jaye! :D

    And, the more intense was:

    Abay jaa yaar ab tujhe haath may biscuit bhee nahee doonga! Goya kaha bhee nahee aur keh bhee chukay!

  186. #188 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 6:23 PM

    Ys jk thats why i dislike mush just like we dislike amir bakaoz regardless of their talent and achievements,they open doors to corrupthon.

    Once and for all this country needs to be purged of Corruption and supporters of corruption even if they are angels.

  187. #189 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 6:25 PM

    Bhai yeh expression puranay zamanay ka hai, jab logon ka weapon sirf laathi howa kerti thee
    Tou, Khuda ki laathi beawaaz hai, ya
    Saanp bhee murr jaye, laathi bhee na tootay etc. etc.
    Ab tou silencer wali pistol hai,
    dooor daraaz humlay kay liyeh Tomahawk missile hai, jiss say:
    mohallay may sunnata, shaher may dhamaka hota hai.

    Aur Pakastan may buray kamon kay Anjaam Acchay hotay hain :D
    Zardari ko dekho kya kuch na kiya, kya kuch na bana? :D

  188. #190 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 6:30 PM

    Jk

    to hell with such honor which is bestowed by chors upon the one protects their kaaley kartoot.

    You know when an influential woman was caught and Holy PROPHET (PBUH) sentenced her to hand chopping,there was a furore.

    PROPHET MUHAMMAD said even If Bibi Fatima had done this,he would have sentenced her.

    Enough of this chor bazari, this trash must go.

  189. #191 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 6:33 PM

    Raju

    Corruption aur Prostitution Pakastan say kabhee bhee nahee jai ga! Pukki Baat hai, period.

    A few weeks ago when KS was discussing Veena’s maga-jean poje. He was adamant that it is very bad whereas you and I were saying prostitution in Heera Mandi or a hotel room is also bad. But, he was saying this is more bad. Come to think of it and I realized it much late, “Urriyaani, bayhayaeee, baysharmee jub hudd say burr jaati hai tou tabahee aati hai.”

    Maana kay prostitution is one of the oldest professions in human history but, chaar dewari kay ander ho tou baat aur hai aur khullay aam Sarak per ho tou baat aur hai.

    Qaom Looth ko iss liyeh missbah…….ooops Mismaar kiya gaya thaa kay vo khullay aam aur sar-e-bazaar they were engaged in socks-ul-acts. InsaanO aur jaanwarO may kuch tou farq hai. Love is good but, you don’t make it in front of your kids in the living room. West may (hamaray haan) jaga jaga log chonch may chonch dalay nazar aatay hain. Pehle ye kaam sirf Nur aur Maada may hota nazar aat thaa, aur ab Maada aur Maada, Nur aur Nur bhee yehi kertay nazar aatay hain, bus stop per, metro underground may, bus kay aur train kay ander, parks may tou loat palots bhee hoti hai………So, I guess there must be a limit and KS is right.

  190. #192 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 6:38 PM

    I dunno which influential woman was caught and what was she stealing? As regards chopping off hands, if someone steals food for eating the punishment is not the same as stealing other things such as jewelry, money etc., again if the money is very small amount only for the intent of buying food, it is considered differently. I am not defending Mush, Shush, Tinda, Pinda, I just saying that is Hammam may saaray hee nunjgay hain, kis ko chuno ge leader kis ko mano ge khalifa? Kon hoga Rehnuma? Kon hai suchha aur kaun hai parsa?

  191. #193 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 6:39 PM

    jk

    corruption aur prostiturtion to sari dunya mein hae

    aur rahegi

    magr andhernagri nahi honi chayie

    NRO bana kar 8000+ logon ko chodr diya

    ab wo hukumraan baney hue hain

    dear tum kuch bhi kaho, khuda ki laathi beawaaz hae

    it is puraana but OLD IS GOLD

  192. #194 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2012 - 6:41 PM

    Raju

    Tumharay mutabikh un 8000 logon ko jin ko chodr diya unn hay vapis bula ker un ka R nikal ker H laga diya jai? :D

    Yar, I got to go now will ttyl.

  193. #195 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 6:42 PM

    jk

    paucity of good doesnt mean we should persist with the bad.

    if you try 100 doctors and they still dont cure you, you’ll continue

    bottom line societies rise from adversity

    if cancer is spread in whole body, it doesnt mean we dont remove isolated tumors and give up.

    we fight and try to improve and thats what man can do

    dear maybe our generations will one day eat fruits of perseverance and perhaps remember us with gratitude

    mayuusi gunah hae!

  194. #196 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 6:44 PM

    dear kuch to karna hoga

    agar 80 international cricketer match fixing karte hain, to unka R to H karna hoga

    warna cricket bekaar hojaegi

    peywasta rahe shajr sey umeed e bahar rakh :D

  195. #197 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 6:49 PM

    waisey jo hallaaat hain ab unkey saath biljabr waley halaat hogaey hain!

    bohot khaya gilani, zardari, malik

    ek lateefa mila aaj sms se

    which 2 brothers and sisters helped in creation of pakistan by working 18 out of 24 hrs

    mohammad ali and fatima jinnah

    which 2 brothers and sisters have defamed pk by working 18 out of 24 hrs

    rehman and veena malik ;)

  196. #198 by Raju reporter on January 10, 2012 - 7:49 PM

    jk

    vis a vis ur cumment 191 where u raie issue of veena dear and acknowledge that you now feel ks is rite, i want to say

    knowledge is never absolute, so perhaps what i say today I may feel later I wasnt rite so ill amend my views. nobody is always rite or wrong. secondly, i as a blogger express my views regardless of how many are in agreement with me. thats why i never consider a 3:1 thing. as you have mentioned a quote of flaubert on this blog where he says writing is a manifestation of our beliefs so i express myself and I dont change my views on basis of majority or minority.

    anyway veena’s issue is quite dead now on all fronts and I can argue with you just like i discussed her case with ks but rite now iam in a buoyant mood as i finally feel the sun is setting over a nonsense which started in 2008. i want to relish it and I seriously hope that now this govt does sinbk and its not again a false alarm.

    BTW, its better if you find exactly how NRO benefitted people and yopu will find murders and looters pardoned. A slut stripping in public may seem upsetting but pardoning people who kill 40ish men and who looted tons of money may seem just a mistake is surprising to say the least!

    lets savour the demise of a corrupt regime!

  197. #199 by Sentinel Prime on January 10, 2012 - 10:33 PM

    Zaka compliments Misbah for his patience

    KARACHI, Jan 10 (APP): PCB Chairman Zaka Ashraf complimented Pakistan skipper Misbah-ul-Haq for his patience and cool approach which benefitted the team. “Misbah is a strong- nerve man and very positive as captain,” he informed reporters on Tuesday.
    He said Misbah got strong character and nerve of steel.
    This he stated in response to question about non-appointment of vice captain for England series to groom him under veteran Misbah.
    “We know he (Misbah) is over 38 but he is performing well,” PCB Chairman said.
    He said PCB would appoint vice captain in the next series under the new coach.
    To a question about extending support to paceman Muhammad Aamir after his release from prison, he said they (PCB) will take directions from International Cricket Council (ICC).
    Aamir was barred by ICC from playing International cricket for five years and sentenced to six months in jail by a jury for bowling a no-ball in the spot-fixing scandal during the 2010 series against England.
    “Aamir will be needing rehabilitation and services of a psychologist to overcome the trauma,” he said.
    He said Aamir is a great cricketing talent but destroyed himself by involving himself in corruption.

  198. #200 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 1:40 AM

    Pir Sayeen Pagara Allah ko pyaray ho gaye! An old veteran politician’s era has come to an end. His father was hanged by the British Raj on charges of mutiny and then the British took his too sons (Pagara and bro) to London and they studied there. He was the spiritual leader of a lot of Sindhi Hurs and I have been to his ancestral village Pir Jo Goth long time ago and I met his kids and his nephews and cousins too. May God bless him and rest his soul in peace.

  199. #201 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 1:43 AM

    khansahab

    This notion of bringing back Aamir is a real BS. No matter how talented he may be, he should be banned for life. There is no room for crooks and culprits, you cannot do that at National level because the whole political arena is full of them, but whatever you can do at this level, they should do. The PCB should not encourage crooks coming back in to the team, we have seen how corruption thrived after Wasim Akram was pardoned. He is still the same old crook and there are many more who follow him. So, why create icons, idols and role models of crooks? They should cut this crap NOW.

  200. #202 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 9:34 AM

    Acc to dawn news, herald sun reports that
    shwag is causing rifts in the team and there are 2 groups who support dhobi and sbhwag as captain

  201. #203 by Sentinel Prime on January 11, 2012 - 1:04 PM

    Supreme Court can take action against President and PM but what about Nawaz Sharif who has been accused of mass corruption?

    Why are the courts and media not very interested in Sharif’s finances?

  202. #204 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 4:00 PM

    ks

    SC is disqualifying these 2 because of nonimplemntation of court orders.

    ppp is biggest beneficiary of NRO followed by mqm and pmln

    surprisingly ganja has no case closed due to nro.

  203. #205 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 4:06 PM

    gillani in trouble!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16511826

    beta apni auqat nahi bholtey

  204. #206 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 4:46 PM

    Raju

    Gillani has invited a flying arrow into his whatever. More specifically it is like; “Aa Bail, Mujhay maar.” Especially during these days, in such a tense political environment, he should have kept his “ThooTun” shut. Now, it seems like his days are numbered as PM.

    On auqat, reportedly the people from his hometown say: He could hardly afford a honda motor-bike during his college days and even when he got married he had a phateechar second hand car jis may apni BV ko liyeh liyeh phirtay thayy jo apnay “Aqalaaq aur Tammadun” ko bahot hee numaya tareekhay say pesh kerti theen aur kisi ki nazar vahan say phisalti nahee thee. Wo din gaye jab khaleel khan faqtay urra tay thayy…. Now, A&T kay beech may saaday saath lakh pound ka pendant hota hai, aur log ab sirf ussi ko dekhtay hain. Kion kay baki sab saraab hai.

  205. #207 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 4:59 PM

    Jk

    he’s gone nuts. He sacked the defence secy as well. I Think he’s provoking the army deliberately so that they resort to martial law and then he can cry foul!

    Yes ppp govt’s days are numbered.

    Come to think of it,he’s talking of army chief as if he is his chaueffer.

  206. #208 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 5:01 PM

    SA has scored 301 runs, Malinga Salinga took 5 wickets, Amla scored a ton. But, no one seems to be interested in that match why? Bakaoz SL may not put up a fight but lets see. Oh, as I am writing this, on the second ball of the innings Talanga is OUT on a duck.

    The PCB XI bowlers have done well, Talha and Yasir Shah, took 4 and 5 wickets each. Lets see what Fawad Alam will do here? He finally got a chance to prove his worth, but batting so low for him is not a good option. Beggars can’t be choosers, he can do nothing about it and only hope that he bats well. Since it is a 3 day match, he will definitely get a chance to bat.

  207. #209 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 5:06 PM

    Yeah, Raju the Secy Def was Gen Lodhi and according to the PM he was becoming more powerful than the Minister of Defense bakaoz of his contacts? That Minister is a ch2 bro in law of Ijaz Butt, whats his name? Ahmad Mukhtar? Anyways, that buffoon seldom speaks and why the F is he a minister? On the other hand Babar Awan’s mouth is as big as Zulfiqar Mirza’s.

    Mirza has reportedly vacated his seat for his son? BC dynasty hai is mulk may, Bhutto Dynasty, Sharif Dynasty and then there are Pir Mureedi chakkar, Chaudhry Wadera and Sardar monopoly, the country is run be a few people and they need a Kamal Ata Turk or a Vladimir Putin.

  208. #210 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 5:17 PM

    Sri Lankan wickets are falling faster than hot cross buns are sold. Dilshan is totally out of form and the guy who was in from in tests ChanduMal is also gone so they are 9/3 in 4 overs now and, the recognized pair of Sanga and Jaya are there, BUT imo the match is over. It is totally one sided now.

  209. #211 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 5:24 PM

    OH NO

    SL batsmen are dropping dead like flies, they are now 9/5 in 5 overs. Tstsobe and Morkel are destroying them completely. Are they going to be all out under 50? Sanga too gone for 4, the lonely 4 which according to the commentator, was a superb drive in which he did not lose a single calorie, but then he lost his wicket hahaha.

  210. #212 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 5:30 PM

    jk

    its a boring match

    pk beat a minnow- no qestion

  211. #213 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 5:32 PM

    LOL but ask Misbah whether they were minnows or what?

  212. #214 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 5:35 PM

    6 gone

    match gone!

  213. #215 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 5:36 PM

    they were titans acc to mishapppotymust!

    now he says we’ll play positive cricket

    jaahil, good for nothing batsman

  214. #216 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 5:42 PM

    military has appointed new corps commander of 111 brigade

    whtas that?

    tomorrow an emergency meeting of all corps commander is summoned

    maaamlaaa gadr badr hae

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/11/pm-sacks-secretary-defence.html

  215. #217 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 5:44 PM

    tintin in action; vows to oppose any govt pangaaa…..

    iski foto dekho lagta hae qawali suna raha hae gillani ko

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/11/pml-n-to-oppose-any-%E2%80%98new-game%E2%80%99-in-na-tomorrow-nawaz.html

  216. #218 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 5:51 PM

    an interesting fact from cricinfo

    How many international hundreds have been scored all told between Sachin Tendulkar’s 99th hundred and his elusive 100th? asked Azweer from India
    By the end of the two Tests that began on January 3, 2012, there had been 110 individual centuries in international cricket (72 in Tests, 37 in ODIs and one in Twenty20 internationals) since Sachin Tendulkar’s 99th hundred, which came on March 12, 2011, against South Africa in Nagpur during the World Cup. Michael Clarke, Rahul Dravid, Kumar Sangakkara and Zimbabwe’s Brendan Taylor have so far scored five international centuries – and Ian Bell, Alastair Cook, Mike Hussey and Mohammad Hafeez four – while Tendulkar has been searching for his 100th one.

    Dont worry sachin, you’ll get it ;)

  217. #219 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 6:52 PM

    What a pathetic performance by Sri Lanka, I was posing a question, will they score 50 runs? That was asking too much, they were all out on 43, their lowest ever ODI. Thank God they have scored one run more than India in England during the test series which was a total whitewash during Gavaskar time. Also, it is more than Canada’s 26 in one of the WC’s.

    When SL won the second test at Durban Jayasuriya said, we choked them, but since then SA choked them in the 3rd test and totally suffocated them in this ODI.

  218. #220 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 6:54 PM

    Nelson’s Brig is OK but who is this Nagras Sethi of Gillani?

    I never knew that Nargas is also a male’s name?
    Is he a Transoo or what?

  219. #221 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 6:59 PM

    On Sachin’s 100th 100, they are singing a song:

    90 say 100 tak ka jo safar hai vo bahot kathin hai
    Ye safar bahot hai kathin magar,
    Na udaas ho mere tendulkar
    Thora sa aur suffer kar
    Gham ki andheri raat may dil ko na bay qarar kar
    Saikday ka intezaar ker, Saikda zaroor aye ga!

  220. #222 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2012 - 7:00 PM

    Raju

    haan vaqai may lag reha hai kay Cawali ker reha hai
    Saath may Payee Jaan bhee hain “Thuddee pay hath, kis say keroon baat”

  221. #223 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 8:12 PM

    well done

    king of minnow busters!

    43 all out!

    hahahahahaaaa……………

  222. #224 by Sentinel Prime on January 11, 2012 - 8:57 PM

    Mohsin unhappy with comments

    DUBAI: Pakistan interim coach Mohsin Khan is apparently upset over the recent remarks made by Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Zaka Ashraf.

    Ashraf had recently said appointing Khan as full-time coach was not possible as he lacked qualification for the position of permanent coach. “Mohsin Khan is pretty upset over it,” said a highly placed source.

    “Mohsin Khan is pretty upset over it,” said a highly placed source.

    Pakistan play three Tests followed by four ODIs and three Twenty20s.

    “It was unnecessary at this time when the Pakistan team were getting ready for an important series against England in the UAE,” the source added.

  223. #225 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 9:41 PM

    daada thinks india has lost abiliyy to win overseas

    hmmmmmm…………….

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/11/india-has-lost-ability-to-win-abroad-ganguly.html

    lets see what happens in perth!

  224. #226 by Sentinel Prime on January 11, 2012 - 9:53 PM

    Before the 2nd Test Ganguly was saying India can bounce back and make a good impression.

    How things can change with one Test.

  225. #227 by Raju reporter on January 11, 2012 - 10:12 PM

    Ks

    althu i hv pastd his views, i dont rate ganguly so high

    but india have a mounatain to climb!

  226. #228 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 2:34 AM

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/12/sanity-follows-high-drama.html

    Gillani ki dumm may dhaaga
    Vo dumm daba kay bhaaga

  227. #229 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 2:46 AM

    Sehwag rubbishes the news about rift in the team. So did Dravid.

    The seeds of this news were sown by Gavaskar and Haddin nurtured it.

    Gavaskar said before the Sydney Test that. “he felt Dhoni was not getting the on-field backing of his senior players. “Captains need help because they are under pressure every time,” he said on NDTV. “They need a vice-captain or a senior player who is going to come up at regular intervals and say, look, maybe try something different. And I don’t think Dhoni is getting that … Everybody is in their own cocoon, and that’s where Dhoni needs a lot more interaction from the group itself.”

    More recent was Brad Haddin’s observation that the Indian players “can turn on each other”.

    I don’t understand how Gavaskar can have such soft corner for Dhoni? Is he trying to say that even Tendulkar is also not helping Dhoni?

  228. #230 by NewGuy on January 12, 2012 - 3:48 AM

    JK,

    If there is smoke there is also fire. This issue of rift between Sehwag and Dhoni came up during the T20 WC played in England couple of years back, and Dhoni called a press conference with entire team also present to show unity. When such drama unfolds there is some truth in it.

    Fact is, Dhoni is not a natural leader for a team of Test players with more credentials than him. If you are a leader you have to more qualified, or at least equally qualified, an inferior player will feel inferior as leader, he cannot take command. When team won, probably none this mattered, but when team loses, Captain need to stand in front and show the way, otherwise he simply cannot keep saying you are not doing your job to team mates. If they ask you what exactly are you doing? then all Dhoni can show is that he is keeping wickets? How many wicketkeepers were Test captains for long term. None. Even Adam Gilchrist who was a far better Test batsman and keeper, never got chance.

    Dhoni is in over his head in the Test team. Time for him show batting skills at Test level or else step down. It is not possible for him to develop skills in Test cricket. He cannot be a passenger in the team and hope to motivate others. I don’t think Sehwag will make a good captain either, and I don’t think he wants to be also. However, he has hardly had any on field interaction with Dhoni. This is really strange, if you are VC then you have to consult with Captain, or vice versa, especially when Australia put on 652/4. I also noticed SRT or Dravid did not go to Dhoni either to consult.

    This means either Dhoni has alienated seniors in the team, and not seeking their help, or other way round. I get the feeling Dhoni got too cocky with WC win and best Indian captain praises, so on .. something happened where he rubbed seniors wrong way, so SRT, Dravid etc do not want to mess in politics, so they keep distance. Perhaps as we all know Sehwag speaks his mind openly, and he must have said some words openly with Dhoni.

    As for Gavaskar, I don’t think he has any soft spot for Dhoni, but he see the team India separate from individuals, so that he doesn’t like to see them losing. Since Dhoni is captain, Gavaskar is naturally concerned when captain is not getting support, that means team loses, which I don’t think he wants to see.

    The unity they are showing is a public face. I am sure there is issue with Dhoni’s leadership, and it must have got to do with his lack of Test credentials. He cannot get respect, if he cannot perform.

  229. #231 by NewGuy on January 12, 2012 - 3:58 AM

    I also believe Dhoni do not have lot of control over bowlers either as they look up to Zaheer Khan. They have been calling ZK at Cricinfo as bowling captain for some time, I don’t know what this bowling captain is, that in itself creates a friction, but what they meant is ZK is mentoring bowlers and many times when they bowl he is standing at mid wicket and giving tips.

    So, Dhoni has not control over the batsmen who are all greater players than him, except Kohli / Raina, but only one junior guy plays mostly, and then he do not have control over bowlers when Zaheer Khan is playing he takes control.

    Therefore there is truth in this factions thing.

    Prior to Dhoni, Anil Kumble was captain, and he had respect of the whole team, including batsmen like SRT, Dravid, Sehwag, and all the bowlers, because Kumble was an equal stature player to all of them, and in fact has huge standing in Indian cricket as a match winner at Test level. He could take command of whole team.

    Same with Dravid, Ganguly, and SRT before him. Although Dravid lost control eventually and stepped down, and SRT was not a good captain, his batting was affected.

    Ganguly was natural leader and he had respect of whole team.

    I don’t think Dhoni gets that with this team.

    It is very difficult in the Indian / Pakistani culture to be a leader, you really have to have control over everyone, otherwise they play politics and form factions.

  230. #232 by NewGuy on January 12, 2012 - 4:26 AM

    It is also worth noting that none of the Indian players who spoke to the media, be it Dravid, Sehwag, or Zaheer, said we are all united behind Dhoni, he is the leader, instead they only said we are all together as a team. This is a give away. In Australian team there were questions about Michael Clarke’s captaincy and his leadership skills, many times players like Hussey came out and said Clarke is the leader and he sets the team direction, we all follow. No India player has publicly backed Dhoni, they only backed themselves as playing together. Surely, there is discord, and we will most likely see Dhoni stepping down on his own or being sacked after this tour.

  231. #233 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 6:04 AM

    NewGuy

    I do agree with you on most of the points in your all 3 comments above and like to add a few more from my perspective.

    1. On the W/C captain issue, you mentioned the name of Gilly, but forgot Sangakara. Under the current situation, Sangakara is no less than Dhoni, still he has managed to score centuries but, the team is not performing as a unit, neither in the batting dept. of in the bowling department. The post Murali syndrome is affecting them.

    2. About the bowling captain i.e., cricinfo calling ZK as bowling captain, no matter whatever meaning they derive from it, it is not a good thing to call him bowling captain. Then there will be a batting captain and a fielding captain too. So, cricinfo should restrict themselves from being too innovative.

    3. Seniors not approaching to Dhoni or vice versa for consultation, this happens only when the team is losing and they are looking to blame each other. IMO, it is Dhoni’s job to approach them rather than, they approach Dhoni. You are right that the WC win has gone into his head besides, he got too much fame and money too little too soon. That rots most peoples brains and inflates egos.

    4. Approaching seniors and at the same time, during the middle of the tour dropping one of your seniors (Laxman and replacing with Rohit) negates and contradicts the purpose of consulting seniors. I am sure, neither SRT nor Dravid would vouch for it, unless it is discussed at a very high level e.g., the BCCI chief or the chief selector flies from India to Perth and talk to Laxman and discuss with him and makes a point that in the over all interest of the team, we want you to opt out for a test and let us try Rohit. If they out-rightly drop Laxman, not only he will feel bad but, it will demotivate other seniors.

    5. The other option is, since it is proved that Dhoni is not a test match material captain, he should consider himself opting out on whatever pretext (injury or illness) and give room to another young player and let the VC with the consent of seniors lead the team to see if they can inspire the team? But, that will be the end of Dhoni’s test career.

  232. #234 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 6:16 AM

    Raju,

    IMO, Kiyani by posting “a brigadier to command the 111 brigade – that is historically moved to secure Islamabad when the military swings into action to send a government home and a general enters PTV to address his fellow countrymen,” has CHECKED the PM and it is a matter of TWO FOUR LETTER WORDS.

    1. MATE (Check-mate)

    2. COUP (That is the end of the game)

    It is not likely to happen this way because, this has happened many times in the past and the Brigadier’s posting this time for the 111 brigade is more of a deterrent than anything else. Bakaoz, if this happens Zardari and Gillani will be asking for SYMPATHY VOTES unless they are imprisoned under the NRO case. But, that will be like a cancer, bakaoz these people go to jail for a few years, things change in the country and their supporters demand their release and the same cycle is repeated i.e., PPP, PML(N) rotation of government.

    This time the PTI is also in the picture but, no one is sure how many votes they will get? And, whether they will be asked by the army to take over and form an interim government? In that case what is the role of the SC? What will CJC do? Its all hodgepodge at the moment.

  233. #235 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 6:24 AM

    Another holiday for Sindh. On Jan 9th it was a public holiday to commemorate the URS of Shah Abdul Latif Bhitai and now it is a 3 days mourning period with a public holiday on Jan.12th for Pir Pagara’s death.

    While the country is going through extreme crisis, they need to put extra hours to make more money and compensate for the losses, they are declaring holidays for such trivial issues? Ignorance is bliss!

  234. #236 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 6:28 AM

  235. #237 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:01 AM

    jk

    kiyani in crunch meeting with his cummandos to keranch gillani

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=41456&CID=1

  236. #238 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:02 AM

    pcb 11 nelsons for 7(111/7)

    4 wkts fr monty and swann

  237. #239 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:04 AM

    o gillani mein thak gaya hun

    tumhara mun bohot bhonkta hae, mein to dubai jakar cricket dekhunga

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=41456&CID=1

  238. #240 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:07 AM

    ye har leader panga karke shujaat ko kyu beech mein dalta hae

    phele bhai sharfu ne yehi kya ab gillani bhi yehi kar raha hae

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=41456&CID=1

    chaudhary purey frankenstein lag rahey hain

  239. #241 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 8:14 AM

    Raju

    All your 3 links are about the same news, so better check it out. I was about to go and hit the sack, bakaoz it is 3:15 am here and for the last one hour or so I was watching an interview on YouTube in 5 episodes by Khan Hussan Zia from Toronto, it is about Qaid’s birthday and partition, its worth watching and listening to him. He is one of the witnesses of partition and he gave a very fair and impartial view of the uneventful happenings of 1947.

  240. #242 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 8:16 AM

  241. #243 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:18 AM

    dear this is the haattesut news rite now

    army has said it will not work with nargus; maybe v eena ;)

    u gotto bed and dream about kiyani and gilani :D

  242. #244 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 8:21 AM

    Chalo jee, Pir Pagara kay baad Ab Mehdi Hassan bhee Ghazal sunanay walay hain vo bhee

    INSHAA JEE UTHO AB KOOOCH KERO wali…..

  243. #245 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:22 AM

    yes it was a technical glitch!!!!!!!!!!1

    pasto error!

    link for 240 is http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/12/ppp-wants-shujaat-to-defuse-tension.html

  244. #246 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 8:24 AM

    Raju

    Muddatain beet gayeen khowab suhanay dekhay
    Jaagta rehta hai her neend may bister mera

    Zardari Kaynda Aye

    Hurr Gharee ulajhta hai mujh say mukhaddar mera
    Mai hee Kashtee hoon mujjhee may hai samandar mera

    Veena Kaindee Aye

    Kashtee nai, Gashtee, Gashtee….

    Yar, I sleep so well that I hardly remember any dream. Actally I had slept at 10:00 pm. and woke up at 1:00 am and now I am sleepy again, so Shab ba Khair.

  245. #247 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:27 AM

    jk

    tum so jao, aisey to sarey gaaek mar jaengey

    there was a najam shiraz

    he sang a song

    mein lambi neend sonaa chata huun

    the video was all glooomy

    but dont watch it now

    youll need a sedative

    just hear the ch2 screams

    now he recites naats

  246. #248 by Sentinel Prime on January 12, 2012 - 9:36 AM

    Newguy

    After 7 years of Test cricket we are now doubting Dhoni’s place in the team.

    This is only happening because India lost 6 Tests in a row and because the unthinkable happened i.e. general lack of form from Sehwag, Dravid, SRT and Laxman.

    I am not saying that Dhoni is a good Test batsman or a flawless leader but this criticism in unfair.

    Dhoni provided a fresh perspective to this team and maintained India’s consistency. And there is no doubt that, on occasions he has played good innings in Tests.

    I am a little stumped that Sehwag, someone who averaged 28 in 2011, has the guts to speak out against Dhoni. Surely Dhoni has performed better as a captain and as a batsman than Sehwag performed as a batsman in 2011.

    I don’t buy this argument that Ganguly is the reason why India dominated rankings. Ganguly left India in a position that they could beat the likes of Pakistan and Sri Lanka easily, but they still feared Australia and England. Under Dhoni we saw that India became confident enough to challenge these teams.

    Ganguly did help, but Dhoni also played a part and I am sure Dhoni’s leadership was more acceptable to the seniors as opposed to SRT, Dravid or Sehwag being captains and fostering factionalism because senior players tend to have their “groups”.

  247. #249 by Sentinel Prime on January 12, 2012 - 9:39 AM

    Nasser Hussain was not England’s frontline batsman and neither was Michael Vaughan, but they were both good captains.

    If you remember Tatenda Taibu, he was also not the team’s best batsman but under him Zimbabwe beat better teams and also beat Australia in a T20 game.

    If you want to blame Dhoni for poor batting form, you need to blame Laxman and Sehwag first.

    Is Sehwag so important for the team that his average of 29 in 2011 should be excused?

  248. #250 by Sentinel Prime on January 12, 2012 - 9:49 AM

    I don’t think making Sehwag captain would be a good decision. He is already inconsistent without being captain and his batting might deteriorate if he is placed in a situation of responsibility.

    In ODI’s it might work because his wicket will not have that high a price, but in Tests he will have to go against his natural game.

    Sehwag idolises Tendulkar and he has said that he was inspired by Tendulkar as a youngster. Since SRT failed as captain, Sehwag is likely to fail too, because I am sure he harbours a very similar psyche.

    Sehwag has no utility to the Test team if he is having to go against his natural game.

    Out of the current team is Dhoni has to go, then I would suggest the names of Gambhir or Zaheer Khan. They are both aggressive and have automatic positions in the team. India tends not to make its bowlers captain so Gambhir is probably the best choice.

    If you look at the way Gambhir bats, he shows signs of grit and aggression in equal measure. Often he comes down the track to fast bowlers to show aggression and that is a good sign. It shows in his captaincy he would be willing to take risks and instill aggression in the team.

  249. #251 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 10:44 AM

    Ks

    dhoni has said that he may rethre from test ckt in 2013 to focus on odi WC.

    So perhaps there is some politics which has led dhoni to take afridish course

  250. #252 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 12:48 PM

    english player found guilty of match fixing

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/549087.html

  251. #253 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 12:49 PM

    monty gets 5 wkts as pcb declare 200/9

    englang 80/0

  252. #254 by NewGuy on January 12, 2012 - 1:26 PM

    KS,

    Dhoni was not captain of India Test team for 7 years. You are confusing matters when you mix up ODI results with Test results and then also mix up captaincy in both formats.

    First, Dhoni is captain of Test team only since Kumble retired, in 2009 I believe, so that’s just two years. Compare that to his captaincy as T20 and ODI captain since 2007.

    Second, if he is a WK batsman then, people will be allow him to continue, but the issue is that he is captain, and captain cannot be dropped, where as WK performance will be monitored, and Dhoni will be dropped if he is not Captain, this is sure, as there will be pressure from other players in domestic circuit.

    You also keeps crediting Dhoni for #1 ranking, this is totally false as I said many times, he has no role in it.

    It is also right time to question him because this is the first time in his short Test captaincy that he has toured tough places, SA, England, Aus. In SA they drew 1-1 so it was pass, but in England and Aus they are failing miserable, and he is not showing leadership with bat, and on field. Naturally he will be questioned.

    So, once again, put things in perspective of Test team, and I am sure you will understand my point.

  253. #255 by NewGuy on January 12, 2012 - 1:45 PM

    KS,

    You said Ganguly left the team where they could beat Pak-SL easily, but feared Aus-Eng, and Dhoni change that? Wow. Have you checked history. You are completely wrong.

    It is undisputed that Ganguly is who took India out of the poor travelers tag of 90’s when they lost so many matches overseas, it is Ganguly who took India out of match fixing scandals that Azharuddin and Jadeja left India in, it is Ganguly who took a talented team of players and made them into a fighting unit.

    Ganguly is the captain who created India’s new image, he brought players like Harbhajan, Yuvraj, and Sehwag into team and gave them license to play aggressive cricket. Even Dhoni was under study to Ganguly.

    Ganguly took on the greatest ever team on planet Australia under Steve Waugh, and stood up against them when everyone else was getting crushed. 2001-02 series in India against Waugh’s all conquering Australians in India where India won 2-1 paved way for their future matches. In 2003-04 Australia tour, on Waugh’s retirement series, India almost came close to a series win in Sydney where they need just 5 wickets to win the Test and series. Only denied by bloody minded Waugh.

    The toughest Aussie team ever played was under Waugh, Ganguly also played the mental game against them. Before Ganguly Indians were soft and did not know how to retaliate to sledging. He kept Waugh waiting for Toss purposely to irritate him, this was all fair because Waugh started the mental disintegration.

    I don’t think there is ever an international captain who stood up against the might OZ team in that era, other than Ganguly.

    As for England, they were never a strong team during those years, and India won any way in England during this period.

    There were so may other famous overseas wins too under him. What Dhoni is doing is undoing all that good work.

    Compare how Dhoni would have performed in these situations, he would have mumbled his way through some nonsense about bowling in right areas, batting improving so on, he also never stands up for his players. Ganguly on the other hand always supports his players and stand up by them. Dhoni is first one to give up on a player, this is not how a leader should perform.

  254. #256 by NewGuy on January 12, 2012 - 1:59 PM

    KS,

    Do you think in current form of both team, Dhoni will be able to lead India to a series win over Pakistan in Pakistan? I don’t think so. He is too defensive a captain to go for wins in tough situations.

    Where as Ganuly took India to Pakistan and won a series. This is also a watershed series for India cricket, because that broke the mental superiority Pakistan has in 90’s over India. Just like he did against Australia, and other non-subcontinental teams.

    Dhoni has done nothing spectacular at all in Test cricket. So it is right to question him now because he is coming a full circle. His first half of captaincy only included Test matches in India and SL. You judge a captain when you have full picture available.

    I never rated Dhoni high or low before this in Test cricket if you recall, even when they achieved #1 ranking, I wanted to wait and see how the full circle goes, I always waited to pass judgement after all tours are completed.

    Just like I haven’t passed judgement on Misbah as captain of Pakistan, I am giving him a pass now, like I did to Dhoni, not praising yet, but not condemning also. I said I will wait and see how Misbah’s Team performs against England and other strong teams before passing full judgement.

  255. #257 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 2:15 PM

    NewGuy,

    It is 3 years and not 2 years since he is captain of the test team. He took over captaincy from Kumble in Nov. 2008 and that was a match against Australia in Nagpur. India won that match and Kumble retired after that match. His performance as a test batsman is not that great, he has an average of 30 -32 and 37 against Australia, England and South Africa.

    Even in the ODI his average against England (48) is affected because of him remaining not out at home series in 2011 against England in all the 5 matches he remained not out and he scored total 212 runs. If you remove those 5 matches and 212 from the total against England his average drops down to 33 runs only. And, against Australia it is in mid-thirties and against SA his average is only 25.

    His average against Bangladesh is in high nineties and against Pakistan it is in mid-sixties. He became instant famous after his 148 against Pakistan in that home series and later his 183 against Sri Lanka. Also his average against Zimbabwe is also very high. Therefore, I am not surprised if Dhoni is not performing well in Australia. He has played only a handful of match winning and match saving innings in all formats of the game and that is why people remember him as a finisher. In the 2007 WC in both matches India played – against Bangladesh he scored a duck on the 3rd ball and against Sri Lanka he scored a 1st ball duck, which no one talks about it.

    His best year was 2009 but, since then there is nothing to write home about. The euphoria of being the number one test team in the world had a life like a bubble.

  256. #258 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 2:29 PM

    NewGuy

    Although Tendulkar and Ganguly both praised Dhoni after the WC win last year — Ganguly had to because, he cannot proclaim himself as the best captain of India — but, I reckon him to be the best. The two factors that you have also mentioned goes very high in favour of Ganguly.

    First, the 2004 series win against Pakistan in Pakistan. Especially the first ODI was very crucial because, when India arrived in Pakistan via Lahore, they had a one day match against Pakistan A at the Bagh-e-Jinnah ground and India made 335 odd runs in 50 overs in which India played its full strength team. Whereas, Pakistan A had second string players like Imran Nazir etc., and Pakistan won that match in the 46th over. So, the jinx continued and India thought no matter how much they score, Pakistan will beat them.

    Therefore, in the Karachi ODI, which was the first ODI of the series, when India scored 348 or 349 runs Pakistan came very close to winning that match which went up to the last ball. Finally, India had won that by 3 or 4 runs and the jinx was broken and Pakistan not only lost the ODI series but, also the test series. So, give Ganguly the due for his shrewdness and his determination. Under him India performed well in Australia too.

  257. #259 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 2:31 PM

    Raju

    Vo tou bhaag gaya, magar kehta hai phir Jummay ko aye ga? Na ghora door na maidaan door, let us see. Earlier there was also a news that he might go to Europe? For what to check his Swiss bank accounts? Dubai jaanay ka one of the reasons is to make some amends in his bank accounts bakaoz fear is the key!

  258. #260 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 2:41 PM

    Chalo jee Gaddee Nasheeni bhee ho gaye, Raja Sayeen is now new Pir Pagara. God knows when this piri mureedi will end in Pakistan? God knows when the exploitation of the poor masses will end? There will be no democracy in Pakistan until and unless this Peeri Mureedi and feudal system is abolished.

  259. #261 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 5:10 PM

    hahaha…………….

    mishap 11 beating india 11

    Honestly NG, do you think if mishap would have toured england instead of india, he ewould have won a test match or australia rite now for that matter?
    absolute whitewash!

    even if mishap beats england rite now , it would be a home series

    even india with all these problems will still beat england in india, although it wont be a whitewash

    thats what we say here that pk cant win against england, aus, sa

    and for my money india will b eat pk whether contest takes place in india or uae

    thats my take

    i dont know abouut jk or ks

  260. #262 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 5:16 PM

    i understand ur critical of dhoni bakaoz of his record in tests but just look at the whole picture

    dhoni won wc and lost 4-0 against england in england and has lost 2 tests against australia in australia

    mishap screwed WC semi and has beaten newzealand, srilanka, bangladesh and zimbabwe

    Is it worthy of a comparison?

    had dhoni played matches against these teams which pk played in 2011 it would have been a dream year for him.

    And I cant imagine mishap drawing in england against england or australia, forget winning!

  261. #263 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 5:23 PM

    jk

    kiyani is now taking matters in his own hands

    he’s offering m.ijaz security on behalf of the army and says no compromise on national security !

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/12/security-will-be-provided-to-mansoor-ijaz-army.html

  262. #264 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 6:39 PM

    clarke is undecided about lineup of his attack

    he may go with 4 pace bowlers or may play a spinner

    the track is monster green!

    http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8401703

  263. #265 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2012 - 7:36 PM

    LOL@ the Khaki meeting, look at the expression of the Gen or Brig on the extreme right side of the photo, he looks like Khushal Khan, Udaas Khan Khattak.

    I think in future people should name their kids, esp boys starting with Gen., Brig, Col., then they will automatically get respect like there are a few people here whose names start with Imam so and so, they are not even Imam but, with a beard and turban and a name starting with Imam……….. wah ji wah, aao ji Imam saab tusi uggay ao, itha aao, itthay baitho, meray UNKAREEB baitho. :D

    In any case Imam means leader, whoever leads the prayers is Imam but our people give extra respect to these people who have names starting with Imam or Syed. Any Dadhi wala old man who comes back from Hajj becomes Haajee Saab for the rest of his life. Whereas, I did my Hajj when I was very young and still no beard and no respect and no one even think that I have performed my Hajj. :( But, I did not perform Hajj to get respect, I did it because it is obligatory for me as a Muslim and I did during my youth time instead of waiting till I am 65 and then they call me Haajee Saab.

  264. #266 by Sentinel Prime on January 12, 2012 - 8:37 PM

    That England cricketer Westfield who has been found guilty of spot fixing, he was Kaneria’s team mate.

    Kaneria should be investigated for spot fixing. I think the ICC has cleared him but maybe his case will be reopened.

  265. #267 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:41 PM

    haji jk

    respect to milegey bhai

    Allah ke ghar khusnaseeb jaatey haen

  266. #268 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 8:45 PM

    this is what Beefy Botham has tweetted


    BeefyBotham:
    Sunday is take off day for Dubia and the 3 tests Looking forward to the games we should win but won’t be easyBig charity shoot day tomorrow

    Beware mishaps, things can get ugly anytime!

  267. #269 by Sentinel Prime on January 12, 2012 - 9:12 PM

    Newguy

    When Ganguly left India, India did not have enough confidence to be considered a tough opposition to teams like England or Australia.

    Beating Australia under Ganguly was great, no doubt about it and I give him credit for nurturing mental strength in the team. But I don’t feel criticism of Dhoni is fair. Why are Dravid and Laxman not performing like that now?

    Beating Pakistan was no big deal because Pakistan’s senior players were past their prime and you had players like Akhtar, Afridi and Razzaq who could be brilliant in one match but out of sorts in a different match.

    Saeed Anwar, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain- these guys were either not in the team or past their prime.

    When Dhoni took over the senior players in the team became united and focused only on performances. Dhoni was excellent at field placements and bowling changes.

    It is very rare for teams to have different ODI and Test captains. If your argument is that Dhoni should be kicked out of the team who should replace him? Parthiv Patel?

    Dhoni’s absence from the team will not make India a no 1 team but his presence may have helped.

    You will just have to swallow a bitter pill and accept that India have always performed below par out of India.

    As for limited overs the team never looked better.

    The reason why hell breaks loose on Dhoni is because of Sehwag’s and Laxman’s poor performances, SRT’s inability to do well in pressure and Dravid’s lack of reliability when he is playing outside India/England.

  268. #270 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 9:15 PM

    hamari praaaatnaaaa tendulkar ke saath hain ke kal wo senkdraaaaaa bana leinnnnn…………

    wo senkdra jo mujh sey ban na sakaa

    ab uska haal bataein kya

    koi one day nahi, koi 20 nahi

    test mein hi phir banaey kya

    array banjaega india, tensun naa lo

    senkdra hi to hae

    hamare to zardari ka thobdra khatrey mein hae

  269. #271 by Raju reporter on January 12, 2012 - 10:29 PM

    ooooooo……………

    A drunk pitch!

    what r aussies upto

    may be they feel indian batsmen will get intoxicated

    http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8402364

  270. #272 by NewGuy on January 12, 2012 - 10:37 PM

    KS,

    Is India’s record overseas poor always, or is it a case of they were very poor in 90’s, improved in 2000’s and now starting with 2011 again becoming poor. I looked at stats, here is what you see.

    Between 1 Jan 2001 and 31 Dec 2010 they played 40 Tests outside of subcontinent.

    Win 12 Lost 13 Draw 15

    I say this is best record after Australia and SA, and certainly best sub continent team in that decade. For every Test they lost, they also won one, and drew one.

    Contrast, 1990’s. Between 1 Jan 1991 and 31 Dec 2000 they played 28 Tests outside of subcontinent.

    Win 0 Lost 14 Draw 15

    There. This is a very bad record that gave them bad name. They won not a single Test, and SRT being the only batter who provided some respectability in those losses.

    Let’s see what happened after Jan 2011. They played 10 Test so far since 2011.

    Win 1 Lost 6 Draw 3

    There again, we all know the 6 tests, if they hadn’t started this streak the good work on 2000’s would have continued.

    What about between 1971 and 1990 when Gavaskar, Kapil, etc played?

    I see 57 Tests outside subcontienent.

    Win 9 Lost 20 Draw 28

    So, that 20 years was poor, but nothing compared to 1990’s and now since 2011. They still had some respect, given that period.

    Before then they were minnows and record is so poor.

    This is why everyone is concerned. India started winning abroad in 2000s and looked like no more poor travelers, now they are giving it back away.

    This is why this slide should be arrested soon as possible.

  271. #273 by NewGuy on January 12, 2012 - 10:42 PM

    KS,

    This stats of India’s win outside subcontinent is showing that out of overall 25 wins in their history, 13 have come since 2001, that is more than half.

    Tells you how poor they were before 2000, and lot of hard work in the last 10-12 years to improve it. Again, I say this is best record in last 12 years after Aus and SA, but now they are sliding and at the risk of looking like last 10-12 was just an aberration.

    They should work hard at not letting that happen.

  272. #274 by Sentinel Prime on January 12, 2012 - 10:58 PM

    Newguy

    Indian cricket structure became respectable following 1990 so those players who were learning cricket in academies then showed good ability from 2000 onwards.

    This is one comparison between Pakistan and India. In Pakistan the quality of pitches, management and processes is the same as it was 20 years ago. In India there has been a considerable improvement although they are still behind England and Australia.

    I don’t want to use the, “It was bound to happen” argument, and maybe Ganguly helped, or maybe there was a fresh approach from management or whatever, but was it a coincidence that in the space of maybe 5 years India got Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly and Sehwag? I think Laxman debuted before 1996 but he became a regular later on, I think Ganguly debuted in 1996.

    So this dominance after 2000 was due to world class batting and the good performance from 2005-2010 is largely due to the fact that players like Dhoni, Harbhajan and Zaheer are performing more than their primary role.

    You can say India is performing like this because the seniors need a break. In England Harbhajan did not perform and Zaheer became unfit. So bowling became weak- in fact there was no bowling because these are the guys who have been winning matches with their bowling. The batting collapsed.

    I have a feeling that a good partnership between Sehwag and Gambhir might solve India’s batting woes. Maybe the dejected middle order needs a push from the top order to get things going.

  273. #275 by Sentinel Prime on January 12, 2012 - 11:04 PM

    Just get the feeling Ashwin should play at the WACA.

    India might need their spinner if the Australians manage to handle Zaheer and co.

  274. #276 by NewGuy on January 13, 2012 - 2:14 AM

    KS,

    Surely, opening batting will solve most of the problems for India if they click. Then middle order will click. The trouble in England and now in Australia is that openers are getting out early, then Dravid is in early, and then SRT is in early. They are put under pressure, one more gets out then it starts a collapse.

    If openers make a good stand they will do well, but is it going to happen?

    We will find out in just about 30 minutes, as Australia won the Toss on a green pitch and chose to bowl first with four fast bowlers.

    If India got to prove something, then this is it, facing four fast bowlers on first day on a green pitch, it doesn’t getting more tougher than this. They are up against it. Lets see whether they will swim or sink. The series will be decided today based on Indian batting performance this morning. It might as well decide Test future of a lot of players.

    Let the fun begin.

  275. #277 by NewGuy on January 13, 2012 - 3:09 AM

    Shewag is out without troubling scorers, so much for the rift in team and him leading it

    Sehwag scores against SA, Eng, and Aus in last three overseas series played:

    0, 63, 25, 32, 13, 11, 0, 0, 8, 33, 67, 7, 30, 4, 0

    Four ducks in it, with a king pair in England, another three single digit scores, only two half centuries in fifteen innings. Any other player in the world in any other team would have lost his place at the end of this series. But not him, because he plays a once in a while big innings, that too only in Asian pitches now. What is the use of this player.

    Sehwag career should be almost over in Test cricket overseas, but anyway India will not play for nearly another two years overseas, with that time frame Sehwag should retire. India should build proper younger opener with good technique.

    He simply can’t play even routine outswinger, there was nothing in the ball, except stock away moving ball, and he puts bat on it. His technique is totally exposed now that he lost his reflexes.

    India paying price of relying on big names and reputations, and not building young batsmen with technique.

  276. #278 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 13, 2012 - 4:31 AM

    Raju

    Wo Saikra jo hum say rooth gaya
    Ab uss ka haal sunaiyain kya?
    Koi Chakka nahi koi Chowka nahi
    Phir accha stroke lagain kya?

    Oh, ho ho Farida Khanam bhee kya Qadeem Imarat hongi ab? Ya khandar reh gaye?

    Farida ki yaad dihani per NUKK CHARREE Taswaar Khanam bhee yaad agaeen.
    Way sab say tu soniya
    Hai ray mun moniya….
    Mai Teri ho gayee
    Pyar ich kho gayee

  277. #279 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 13, 2012 - 4:37 AM

    NewGuy

    Out of the 13 wins, how many are they against minnows?
    How many at home or in Ind/Pak/Bang/SL and how many in Eng. Aus and SA?

    If you have the stats please enlighten us. I think then it will give us a correct picture.

  278. #280 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 13, 2012 - 4:42 AM

    India are 73/4, the top order sent back. Laxman and Kohli are at the crease. Gambhir scored 31 and c’est tout.

    You cannot judge the match from here, its a long way to go, even if India gets out under 150, we need to see how the Indian bowlers will bowl and get wickets? Cricket is a funny game anything can happen. Have we not seen the craziest test match between Aus and SA last year? Clarke scored a century and Aus scored 289 or something and SA were bowled out for 96 and then they bowled out Aus for 47 in the second innings and won the match. So, lets see how the drama unfolds. But, Tendulkar’s Ton ho na saka. There is a second innings and one more test at Adelaide. But, there is no Rohit Sharma in the team. !!!!!! why??????

  279. #281 by NewGuy on January 13, 2012 - 4:51 AM

    JK,

    Well, I guess you didn’t read the part I said outside of sub continent, so that rules out home / SL / Pak. I think there are two wins against ZIM in that 13, rest are Aus, Eng, SA, NZ, and WI. All in their home countries. So, certainly was a good decade, which made people believe probably they have gotten rid of bad tourists problem.

    Anyhow, all that is not worth talking now, because they are on a losing streak, and it not going to turnaround without serious changes to team.

    As we speak now, 4-0 whitewash is truly on. 73-4 now India, and certainly pattern is following. They have no fight left, this team. I saw first few overs, nothing scary in the pitch, and the bowlers are not being scary either. Just plain stupid batting.

    I think Indians are mentally scarred and all they have to do is just run in and ball on the off stump, wickets will just come.

    Team needs to be dismantled and re-built. Bring in youngsters, bring in new captain, fire the coach, let them rebuild.

    I am done following this series, as they are a pathetic bunch with no fighting spirit. Not worth wasting my time following this pathetic bunch fall on their face every time.

  280. #282 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 4:53 AM

    Jk

    nightmare continues..

    Its indian batting that needs to be blamed,not dhoni or bowlers. Just like sehwag all of them have been pathetic.

    Cant play inswingers?

    India can still pul an upset but batting has flopped and its hi time to look for fresh stuff- buddhas are rotting!

  281. #283 by NewGuy on January 13, 2012 - 4:55 AM

    JK,

    Indians have mentally given up, you really think they have the fight left in them. There is nothing wrong with pitch, and this OZ team is beatable, they have too many issues in their mind. I don’t think they will fight back with ball, you see they will field like zombies with no energy. I don’t trust them after having seen this episode again.

    Why no Rohit? Because idiot team management want to lose 8-0 then only they will think about changes, even then they will say some other excuse and keep trying oldies. Dravid got bowled again. Seriously 39 year old Dravid, and 38 year old Tendulkar, and 37 year old Laxman, what will they do. Indian selectors Kris Srikanth and company simply had no plan of succession. Too late now.

    If they had to lose it was better to lose with young team, at least they would have learned something.

  282. #284 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 13, 2012 - 5:36 AM

    NG and Raju

    Thanks for explaining, I am conked off completely and need to sleep. Our time zones are different and besides that the weather is playing havoc. The whole day it snowed and it will continue tonight and tomorrow and we are expecting a few feet of snow plus the minus 27C during the week-end which is not so encouraging. I love the sun when it comes out after the snow, you can wear warm wintry clothes and go out on a drive its fun. But, right now I am dozing off early today!

    I hope to see some good score on the board when I get up tomorrow morning. Take care.

  283. #285 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 8:03 AM

    India bowked out for 160
    chch…

    Now its upto their pacer to knock 3 wkts to make a comeback!
    Loouks tough!

  284. #286 by raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 8:12 AM

    whether India pull this off or not, its evident this vaunted batting lineup is expirirng.

    to persist with these oldies now defies common sense.

    its better to look for new players even if they dont deliver the goods initially.

    lets see how much aussies score today!

  285. #287 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 9:02 AM

    ausrtalia pulverizing India

    84/0 in 11.3 overs

    warner destroying indian attack

    looks like a 3 day match

    Thats the way to bat mishaps- tuktuktuk……. murghi kutkut……

  286. #288 by Sentinel Prime on January 13, 2012 - 9:05 AM

    Aussies are adding insult to injury.

    Worst possible scenario for India.

    I hope Dravid, Laxman and SRT announce retirement after this Test.

  287. #289 by Sentinel Prime on January 13, 2012 - 9:06 AM

    Newguy

    That’s what I was saying about Sehwag.

    He needs more consistency and his record on green pitches is pathetic.

  288. #290 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 9:22 AM

    ks

    thats positive batting for you

    both openers are striking around a rate of 100

    demons in the pitch?????

    excuse me

  289. #291 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 9:26 AM

    I dont blame the Indian attack

    main culprit are the batters

    if you get bowled out for 150ish around tea on first day, youve almost lost the match

    very few teams come back from such positions

    its a worrying sign for all teams to see australia batting like this

    back to the hayden-langer style

    early days i guess

    a asecond string pace attack bowls india allout for 150ish- patheticcccccccc……..!

    what will ensue if pattinson, cummins come back

  290. #292 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 9:28 AM

    meanwhile pcb11 50/3

    they need to score 260 in 60 overs

    jk’s favorite fawad alam on 23 looking good

  291. #293 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 9:29 AM

    A fan on cricinfo

    Anshuman: ” If this was boxing, the refs would’ve stopped the match by now. Aussies win the third test by KO in the first 30 seconds of round #1!!!”

  292. #294 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 9:49 AM

    six………..

    hundred to warner in 70 balls

    FASTEST CENTURY BY AN OPENER

    he made in 19.2 overs

    perhaps aussies treating it as a t20

    India annihlated!

  293. #295 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 10:10 AM

    stumps 149/0

    cowan was out but India’s stubborness with DRS saved him

    stubborness with buddhas and DRS

    well pay the price

    7th match on the trot……….

  294. #296 by NewGuy on January 13, 2012 - 1:52 PM

    I made the right decision to not look at Cricinfo after 73/4 and went to bed, not bothered to look at scores even once.

    This is not a mauling, that was Sydney, there are no words to describe the humiliation India team is subjected to now. All those superlatives were used in England and at MCG/SCG.

    India now as good as WI when touring abroad?

    No matter when they retire now, or what else they do in home series before then, big three will retire with this shame at the end of their careers.

    They did so much to erase the shame of 90’s by improving overseas winning record, yet, what people will remember is the 8-0 white wash. I know it’s all not over yet, but 3-0 is a guarantee and I don’t see how they can stop losing in Adelaide with the mind set they are in.

    Loser Vinay Kumar .. ahahahahah, what can say of him, first he doesn’t deserve a place any where near the Test team, then he gets picked to play, ahead of Ashwin and Ojha, what does he get, mauled by Warner.

    This type of mentality is so Dhoni .. he prefers trundlers who can bowl in line and length, as I said so many times before Dhoni is such a defensive captain with only limited over cricket brain.

    Too many things to change for India now.

    First, big three needs to retire, start with Laxman and Dravid. Yes, Dravid who got four hundreds in England, but looks jaded since then and past 39, he needs to step down. Laxman must absolutely retire now, in Adelaide itself. Lose with Rohit Sharma, it is better. SRT should be last to retire, since he has some form, but he too should get that hundred quickly and retire.

    Dhobi should be out of team, or lose captaincy, he can be WK, but only based on merit, if there is a young keeper he should come in place of Dhoni.

    Sehwag, he too should consider retirement before the next overseas tour, well in advance so that another young opener can be groomed for it. Sehwag simply do not have the reflexes to play on seaming wickets, he never had the technique. He is exposed completely now.

    Gambhir is working on it, he can stay, as he is a hard worker, and might turn out to be the best available opener anyway.

    Bowling, trundlers like Vinay Kumar should never be in the team, Yadav should be encouraged, even if he goes for run he takes wickets or at lest can hit the batsmen back with a bouncer. More fast bowlers in Yadav mold should be encouraged.

    Too many things, but will it all happen, not a chance, since IPL is more important, and India will play at home after this series for two years, and if they start winning matches at home again, everyone including selectors and fans will forget it.

  295. #297 by NewGuy on January 13, 2012 - 2:05 PM

    Here, calls to drop Dhoni has started increasing more vocal and direct now. Rightfully so:

    http://cricketnext.in.com/news/is-it-time-to-drop-dhoni/63036-13.html

    This guy is writing pretty much what I have been saying over here as well:

    This kind of batting does India no good; when it comes from your captain, its all the worse. Dhoni’s failure to inspire, his repeatedly defensive captaincy, and his lack of runs (220 in four Tests against England and 100 in five innings in Australia) have been factors in India’s downfall. His welcoming Brad Haddin in the first innings of the MCG Test, with Australia 211 for 6, with a long-on, deep midwicket and fine leg in place was baffling. His swapping Umesh Yadav for R Ashwin, with Australia nine down in the second innings, and spreading the field and employing one slip was criminal

    Currently nothing is going Dhoni’s way. He is not scoring runs and this has gone beyond just being a dip in form. In Australia, he averages 20.08; in England, 39 (boosted by two unbeaten fifties); in New Zealand; in South Africa, 31.44; in the West Indies, 22.08. Clearly he has struggled on bouncing, seaming wickets where his technique has been exposed. For a side desperately seeking a leader, Dhoni has been thoroughly disappointing. In limited-overs he is a proven match-winner and a vital cog in India’s wheel. But in Tests he has been unconvincing. Had he not been India’s captain he would not have merited a place in the team.

  296. #298 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 2:05 PM

    once the 100 will be scored by tendulkar, everything will be forgiven and forgotten

    thats the complexion of indian cricket

    nothing happened after 4-0; this is just a sequel

    media will pour buckets of praise over tendulkaer and so the indian public w/o anyone realizing that clarke was on the verge of breaking records

    but its more about records than success

    so keep flirting tendulkar, your 100 is your insurance!

    till you dont score it, you’ll play ;)

    public would not allow you to retire even if it is 8-0!

  297. #299 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 2:14 PM

    question is which captain can indpire sehwag, gambhir, dravid , laxman and tendulkar to atleast cumulatively score 200 runs in an innings?

    I dont see any captain, and frankly batsmen scoring 300000+ runs dont need inspiration or advice.

    as Geoff boycott said they have aged.

    so why the cat is not out of the bag

    harbhajan dropped after taking 400+ wkts bakaoz he had a poor england tour

    but this batting line up seems to be the cherished treasure of Indian cricket, thats why its not being fiddled with as yet.

  298. #300 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 2:15 PM

    sorry 30000+ runs

    math error! :)

  299. #301 by NewGuy on January 13, 2012 - 2:16 PM

    I don’t think this can be forgotten or forgiven, not if India media who is hyperbole has a chance, they are already going over the top. SRT 100 is no consolation for Team pride being dented this way, by the 11 individuals selected to play for the nation. I think Indians pride their team more than that.

    SRT 100 is a relief and closure, that will pave way for him to finally retire in grace. Even otherwise since he hasn’t looked vulnerable to struggling when batting, he can retire any time and still be the best batsman to have played in the modern era.

    SRT needs no insurance to play, as he is still the best Indian batsman on display.

    He will retire for sure if he think he is not playing well. But there are others who should step down before him, Laxman, Dravid, Sehwag, and Dhoni.

  300. #302 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 2:38 PM

    he should have retired or atleast played odis to get rid of the monkey.

    the sort of form tendulkar is showing in last 3 series, ponting was showing for 2 years yet he was under pressure to deliver.

    well if a team cant score 200 in one innings, then there is bound to be a one eyed king

    but I say dravid wont get spared if he continues to struggle in australia unlike tendulkar who got immunity due to the 100.

    and it will remain a perennial thing!

    what insurance tendulkar had in engluand, he wasnt the best over there? the 100!

    and this perhaps one reason for failure of current indian team. certain players know they wont be sacked!

    well keep playing for records and personal milestones; clarke couldnt have done that if he was playing flor india

    anyway,a losing team should focus on winning and stopping the rot rather than focusing on whose the best batsman

  301. #303 by Raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 2:44 PM

    ^ but the trend that i find in indian cricket is to look for scapegoats and spare the non delivering reputes

    now after a 3-0, 4-0 or even 2-2 it will be about who was best rather than planning for the future

    this scenario is similar to end of west indies when ambrose and walsh led the bowling attack when they were 36+

    and when they retired, flood gates opened

    well, i dont foresee a change as IPL is round the corner

  302. #304 by raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 4:30 PM

    India have conceded acc to warner.

    The main reason for their batting failure is FISHING ( poking at baalls on 5th or 6th stump)

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549289.html

  303. #305 by raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 4:39 PM

    while mr Kohli disagrees with warner and says its BAD LUCK!

    hmmm..

    He feels match can still turn around

    well australia got bowled out for 46 in South africa, so may be there is room for optimisim.

    http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8402806

  304. #306 by raju reporter on January 13, 2012 - 4:44 PM

    I guess we have been to harsh on sehwag and co.

    Acc to cricinfo statsman Rajesh :wink: , it has been a tough 2011 year for openers

    average partnership being 32ish!

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/546600.html

  305. #307 by NewGuy on January 13, 2012 - 11:21 PM

    Huge positives coming out of India’s recent performance

    As they say there is always a sliver lining in the cloud. One might think what could possibly be positive coming out of the shellacking India received in Eng and now in OZ land.

    Well for starters, imagine Tendulkar retired on a high after winning WC final, and Dravid retired along with Laxman before then, and Sewhag for some reason decided to take a early retirement, and Zaheer Khan could not come back from injury.

    India loses in England 4-0 and in Australia 3-0, everyone goes, if we only had the big three, if only we had Sehwag, if only we had Zaheer Khan, we could have been No.1, we could have beat England in England, and for the first time beat Aus in Aus since they look weaker now, so on ..

    Indians would have missed the budhas sorely .. now no more :)

    Every one wants the budhas out, and even if youngsters lose no one will blame them. Food for thought.

  306. #308 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 3:07 AM

    Even Cowan has hit his 50 and Aus is 181/0 — for all practical purposes this match is only one sided now. I can safely say that Aus will win this match and their chances of winning is 98%, I leave the 2 percent for miracles, which again is not likely to happen. It happens when the players are gutsy and aggressive whereas, this Indian team is pussy and defensive.

    Ps

    I meant Billy.

  307. #309 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 3:41 AM

    Finally India managed to get Cowan OUT @ 74 and Aus are 214/1, pyar ki duniya may ye pehla qadam.

  308. #310 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 4:49 AM

    Jk

    yes its shae maat for india barring any miracle.do u know their media is demanding axing of certain players including dravid. If dravid is axed it would mean end of his game. Although on basis of performance one can say he should be axed but nobody cried foul whn tendulkar failed in england.actually this is not india XI but tendkar XI and it reflects sheer bias and prejudice.

  309. #311 by NewGuy on January 14, 2012 - 5:26 AM

    Raju,

    Tendulkar is better than every player still, and don’t worry if he plays like how Dravid and Laxman is people will demand his axing too, but he is looking in good touch. Even in England he looked in good touch, he may not have big scores to show, but there wasn’t any flaw in his batting.

    Here is what Brian Lara said about Tendulkar yesterday:

    Lara, who along with batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar is considered the best batsman of his generation, also asked the latter’s fans to be patient, saying that Tendulkar was in good touch and his much-awaited century was not far away.

    “I don’t think he is missing the trick. You guys (media) are missing the trick. I watched him bat in the last four innings. He looked flawless. He looked like scoring that elusive hundred every time. Unfortunately, he is up against guys who will not give up. He gets a good delivery, little lapse in concentration…and the opposition fully know that they don’t want him to score it against them,” said Lara.

    “But Sachin is a great player. Obviously, if he had wanted to score it (100th century) against the West Indies he would have played in the one-day series. We will have to wait for it and appreciate it. Even if it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t make him a lesser player.”
    “He has 99 centuries. Anyone would love to have a record like that. For me, he is the best player in the world, at least the best batsman,” said Lara.

    I know you want Tendulkar out, but it isn’t happening :)

  310. #312 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 7:26 AM

    Australia took a lead of 208 which is not bad, they could have doubled it or even extended it up to 300 but, the other batsmen failed after the openers gave’em a flying start. Shaun Marsh is totally out of form or he is not a test material, I am not sure? Ponting Hussey Clarke they all failed. Yadav got his fifer, his first in the test, for him it is like getting Mitchel pfifer. ;-)

    Is the match going to be over today? I mean 36 overs remaining for the day and India is going to start their second innings. The way wickets tumbled today i.e., ALL TEN AUSTRALIAN WICKETS in two sessions and they scored 220 runs. Considering Indian batting woes, there is a possibility of them getting out only in one session. If this happens, this will be the shortest test match ever played with a result. Especially for India, they may not have lost a test match within two days.

  311. #313 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 7:50 AM

    Gambhir’s fishing expedition continues, lucky that the edges are flying past the gully and point fielders. It is too risky to play shots like these in the first over, especially when the pitch has cracks and ball is moving unexpectedly either ways. Sehwag needs to be more cautious after watching Gambhir from the other end. Because, Gambhir was forced to play outside the off balls and that is his weakness. If he plays like this he will be out soon.

    2.3
    “Harris to Gambhir, no run, Gambhir fishes at that one outside off, that one moves away after pitching, Gambhir is beaten..”

    In the first over too he played two shots like that which went for four and this time he was beaten.

  312. #314 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 7:56 AM

    Raju

    England has won the second match of their tour, they are getting good match practice before the first test. Whereas, Pakistan is Misbah Singh, I mean relaxing.

    In their squad Pakistan should have had, Fawad Alam or Raza Hasan in place of Imran Farhat, I don’t understand how Ilyass can influence even Zaka?

  313. #315 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:02 AM

    Raju

    Hilri Maasee is sporting Ghaddari and even Wo Baba Mama sapokesMan also assured that they are in favour of JamHOORiyat bakaoz they see one in that thoroughbred jo hinhinati hai.

    The news says, everyone hates Zardari but, no one is able to pull him down and hang him by his 3alls i.e., bakaoz he is reportedly an elected leader? LOL, that is a big joke.

  314. #316 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:06 AM

    6.3
    Harris to Gambhir, no run, another edge for Gambhir, didn’t go hard at it, the ball races towards third man for
    FOUR

    India is lucky, Gambhir edged 3 times, Sehwag edged 2 times in one over and they are still there. This shows that the lady luck is OK with them at least today.

  315. #317 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:12 AM

    Raju,

    This one is for you. SURPRISE or POPEYES after seeing so many Nargas, Reema, Veena, Sheena in the making ? No wonder La’hore may fast bowlers ki kamee nahee hai, ek dhoondo hazaar milte hain. :D

    http://www.samaa.tv/samaavideolist.aspx?ID=3680

  316. #318 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 8:20 AM

    jk

    I feel It will be a tight match. Indian openers if they fire will help the oldies to muster something like 350+.

    it seems pitch eases in the last seesion and its difficult for batting in the first two sessions.

    so india may get a 100 ish lead and give aussies a little run for their money

    lets see!
    .

  317. #319 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 8:23 AM

    woopppppppppppppppssssssssss!

    gambhir gets fished

    may be i spoke too soon

    hehehe…..

    now the wall with a hall

    how will he get bowled this time

    bakaoz his place is under threat

    bakaoz tendulkar is scoring and he’s not

    and when its the opposite, indians say ” tendulkar not scoring but in nice touch…”

    hmm………

  318. #320 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:25 AM

    Raju

    Gambhir was a gonner in the first over i.e., when he edged past Hussey but, this time Hussey did not missy.

    BUTTAAA what about our Missy?

  319. #321 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:29 AM

    Raju

    Tendulkar has a knack of getting out on the bowling of new bowlers so we have a Starc here who might be carrying babies in potlees and Tendulkar might be tempted to open it, hoping its a boy! Oh boy, oh boy he and his hundred is like a pie in the sky.

    I dunno who said this, either it is Mark Twain or someone else: “I should have thrown him out as a baby and kept the Stark instead.” :D

    Sehwag bhee gaya. Siddle Diddle the second fiddle got him.

  320. #322 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 8:30 AM

    oops two gone

    ek aur machli pakdr li

    jawed tum achey cook ho, aaj fish fry hojae

    paaplate machi

  321. #323 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:31 AM

    Nai, nai Pulla!

  322. #324 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:35 AM

    Both openers made a quarter Shatak
    Both oldies playing at double jeero

    I hope you know Pulla machi, fresh from Kotri :D

  323. #325 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:40 AM

    Dravid got 2 FOURS in that over but, both went through the slips cordon, one was a mishap as he wanted to play in the point region but, it got the toe end of the bat and luckily he survived. Tendulkar is also playing like Sehwag, cutting hard over the point, which is very UnTendulkarishly and its warning bell if he continues to play in that fashion. Because, the ball is moving a lot.

  324. #326 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 8:43 AM

    NEWGUYYY……

    i love it when you address me feeling confident you have a point

    sorry dude, im not interested in minnow bashing or who plays for minnows or gets axed!

    i enjoy watching top notch teams like sa, aus or englund

    whitewash masters!

    what i said had to do with prejudice but thats a headache for the indians

    im least bothered about a selfish player!

    thats ur words and I can prove it from here but you can retract as you generally do ( like you did for mishap)

    tendulkar is most welcome to play as long as he likes; hes dheeet!

    lara was in mumbai and nobody doubts the fact about his 100; lara or for that matter any player will say the same in mumbai

    bakaoz we have already seen what happens when someone says the truth about tendulkar like shoaib or afridi ;)

    his 100 has done already irrepairable damage, a fact underscored by even gavaskar!

    so keep playing for records and whitewashes!

    having said that, minnows do upset like srilanka beat south africa

  325. #327 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 8:44 AM

    no pomfret man

    not pullla

  326. #328 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 8:46 AM

    Newguy

    That’s a good point that if the Great 4 and Zaheer were not playing, everyone would have attributed the defeat to the absence of these players.

    It is better that India lost with them being in the team because it should tell the management and selectors where these players now stand.

    More than Dhoni or the age of the players or the spineless bowling, the biggest problem is that Indians, like Pakistanis, have lost respect for Test cricket.

    Now T20 gets more media hype, players get more money, they don’t need to work very hard, and their places are more likely to be guaranteed even if they fail.

    The public in the subcontinent don’t care much about a good contest between bat and ball, and they don’t care about the mental challenge presented by Tests. They want to see boundaries being hit and matches producing results.

    Test cricket I guess is too serious for some and people now take a light hearted approach to cricket.

  327. #329 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:48 AM

    Raju

    Aaj baray Teer Andaaz banay ho?

    Nuktaa Cheen hai gham-e-dil usko sunaaye na banay
    Kyaa banay baat jahaan baat banaaye na banay

    Ps

    Btw, I also thought of the same thing when NG quoted Lara, first of all Lara will never say I AM BETTER THAN TENDULKAR and neither will Tendulkar say I am better than Lara. Its like Ganguly and Tendulkar both said after the WC win, that Dhoni is the best captain ever!!!! Secondly, whichever player is in India, vo vaheen kay geet gaye ga, Apna Chakram also does that. So, there is something called Namak Halalee or, in Rome do as the ROMANIANS do. ;-)

  328. #330 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 8:53 AM

    SRT gone to Starc.

    JAK was right.

    I am waiting to see Cricinfo’s description of the dismissal.

  329. #331 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 8:53 AM

    kahtey hain raju ka hae andaaz e blog aur

    dravid and tendulkar are together

    i dont know if they have ever forged s big partnership

    but if they do get one which is possible, australia may feel al ittle defensive

    arary jawed kya tota pala hae

    ya satey baaz ho

    starc BATSMAN IN GOOD TOUCH KO KHA GAYA

    wo senkdra jo rooth gaya

  330. #332 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 8:54 AM

    Huge pause in Cricinfo’s commentary following SRT’s dismissal. I wonder if the commentator is in his wits to continue typing.

  331. #333 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:54 AM

    Raju

    You think I dunno what Paplate or Pomfret is? Come on man, I was opting for Pulla Machi bakaoz it has more kaantay in it and it is unique in its own way. :D But, I do like the Iranian Pomfret. My favourite is Chillean Sea Bass, Dubai ki Hamoor, (Grouper) also Sultan Ibrahimi (a cousin of red snapper)

  332. #334 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:55 AM

    Chalo jee Chaachaa Tendulkar bhee gaye!!! OUT

  333. #335 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 8:56 AM

    that was a tight call

    but no DRS

    indians blame it yourself; you have dug up your own grave

    why opposition to drs, its beyond me

    jk ab ye batao zardari ka kya hoga

    tendulkar ka rukka to sahi laga ;)

    well tendulkar has beeen mostly out on inswingers, bakaoz he focussed on outswingers and 100 a lot

  334. #336 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 8:58 AM

    Raju Reportedly Tendulkar was “Mundee Hillaying” in dismay. It means he is not happy with the LBW deceyen.

    Ab vo saikda bhee hum say rooth gaya, uska haal sunayen kya?

  335. #337 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 8:58 AM

    Tendulkar must retire from Test cricket effective immediately. This is the time to put the team and country before personal milestones and I think he will get more respect from international media if he retires now.

    He can try and get that 100 in ODI’s.

    I am surely Dravid and Laxman will follow suit very quickly if SRT retires.

    This will be the best thing for Indian cricket at the moment. It is clear India will not be able to beat England, Australia and South Africa at home, so if the Indians want that they need to change the team.

  336. #338 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 8:58 AM

    Tendulkar watches the replay in the dressing room, and still doesn’t seem convinced that was out

    thats what cricinfo says

    but no DRS

    why india why?

  337. #339 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 9:00 AM

    Raju

    Zardari baitha vo video dekh reha hai jis ka link may nay tumhe aaj bheja hai. He is in a talent hunting mood just to tease Nawaz. :D

  338. #340 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 9:00 AM

    Why not a single article from Indian or any kind of media asking SRT to retire?

    In fact, not a single Indian batsman is being asked to retire.

    Against mid tier teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and NZ, even players like Kohli, Sharma, Tiwary and Rahane can perform well. India can’t beat top teams with the Great 4, so why keep them in the team?

  339. #341 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:00 AM

    jawed

    pulla has more kantaas

    and pomfret is more tasty

    so why you like pullla over pomfret

    my uncle in hyderabad used to bring pullas , now vits damn expensive

    and so i puulla

    yaar but i like surmai too

    what its called in english

  340. #342 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 9:01 AM

    Raju

    Yaar tum kahan key ho?

    Punjabi parents, South Indian relatives, Hyderabadi uncle?

    Did your family like travelling or something!

  341. #343 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:02 AM

    sorry pomfret is also very expensive

    400-600 per kg

    surmai almost 100 rs less

    talk about mehngai

    eggs 120/ dozen

  342. #344 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 9:02 AM

    Raju

    Don’t say why India why? Say, Why Dhobi Why?

    It was Dhoni who was against DRS and he was very loud and clear when talking to the media, it is not just the BCCI but, Dhoni made them speak his mind.

  343. #345 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 9:03 AM

    It doesn’t matter if SRT was technically not out. 1 in 4 LBW decisions are incorrect anyway.

  344. #346 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:03 AM

    daddy’s close friend ko to uncle hi kahengey na!

    south indian susraal

  345. #347 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 9:04 AM

    khansahab

    You are right, Tendulkar should hang his test boots and the other two will follow the suit. Even if they don’t they will not get a chance to play again. So, there is no graceful exit here:

    Baray bay aabroo ho ker teray koochay say hum niklay
    Bahot niklay meray arman phir bhee kum niklay

    Sirf ek Saikday ka sawal thaa Babu.

  346. #348 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 9:04 AM

    Oh acha woh Pakistani wala uncle.

    I thought woh Western wala uncle, like, chacha or mamoo.

  347. #349 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:06 AM

    but indians will cry and say tendulkar wasnt out

    i ha v ent seen the replay, was he or wasnt he

    yes, lbws are marginal but technology might have saved him

    4th gone. laxman bhi gaya

  348. #350 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:08 AM

    laxman out fishing

    becomes a pulla :D

  349. #351 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 9:08 AM

    Laxman gone.

    End of his career.

    Another batting collapse on display.

    Shame on Indian cricket board, Indian players and the crazy fans.

    If you want to see your team performing in Tests, start taking Test cricket seriously.

    How the world would have liked to see a good contest in Australia, instead we have seen minnow bashing and Tendulkar, the king of kings, unable to withstand the pressure of the 100.

  350. #352 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 9:08 AM

    khansahab

    He is referring to Hyderabad Sindh i.e., in context to Pulla Macchi, which is famous at the Kotri Bridge (near Hyderabad Sindh) they cook it between two hot stones, they cook so well that even the kantaas get soft.

    Raju surmai is King Fish I guess?

    Laxman gaya hero bunn nay ZERO pay!

  351. #353 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:10 AM

    no tendulkar wont retire

    at least he wont be axed

    he should have the retire

    but what aboput the senkrda

  352. #354 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 9:10 AM

    SOLA OVERS MAY 6 wickets are passibull? Avary thing is passibull when you are high on RED BULL. Should this match be over today? I think in the over all interest of the people it must come to an end today!

  353. #355 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:12 AM

    im going, so much for test cricket

    cant handle a second string pace attack

    imagine carnage with cummins and pattinson

    this is patheticccc……..

    no harm in losing or whitewashed but at least fight before surrender

  354. #356 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:13 AM

    yes it shpould end today

    khas kum jahan paaak

    then the next khus will come

    mishapo-poty-musssss!

  355. #357 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 9:16 AM

    Yawnnnnnnnnnn
    lemme go and take my second nap of the night, its almost 4:15 am here and there is no interest left in this match, what a pathetic performance by the Indian batsmen. The only bright spot of the day was Yadav taking 5fer.

  356. #358 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 10:05 AM

    India trail by 120 runs at stumps. Kohli and Dravid are looking positive.

    I suppose the best thing that happened to India in this series apart from Yadav was Kohli, who has performed better than expected considering the lack of form of the Great 4.

    Now there will be more pressure on India to drop a number of seniors, rather than do it one at a time. They could have started by dropping Laxman for this current Test and tried Sharma.

  357. #359 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 10:16 AM

    Even though England’s tour matches have been 3 day, they have not managed to score beyond 300 which Pakistan will take positively.

    England’s ability to make 350+ on these alien pitches was always under question.

    Plus PCB XI and ICC XI did not have spinners like Ajmal.

    When South Africa played Pakistan in UAE in 2010 under Misbah, I think the Test result was 1-1. So, I suppose the question is whether England can outperform South Africa?

    England are ranked higher than SA, but I think SA have traditionally played a lot more overseas.

  358. #360 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 10:27 AM

    Get out seniors,says Gavaskar

    Perth, Jan 14 (TruthDive): India’s continued poor performance against Australia in the ongoing test series has sparked huge criticism across the nation with cricket experts slamming Team India and its captain MS Dhoni. Former Indian captain and cricket commentator Sunil Gavaskar has asked some of the senior players to step down and pave way for the youngsters.

    “What India now need to do very, very quickly is to look forward and not backward. If it unfortunately means that we have to say goodbye to some of the players who have served the country for so long and so wonderfully, that we have to do,” Gavaskar said when asked where Indian cricket was going after the team was bundled out for 161 in the third Test against Australia in Perth on Friday.

    “Because, if the team is going to get out for 160-odd, it’s better to do with young players so that they can learn from experience and serve the country better in future rather than with those who have been there, seen it and done that but who are not being able to do it now,” he said.

    Gavaskar, however, made it clear that he was not suggesting axing of all the senior players nor was he calling for Mahendra Singh Dhoni’s removal from captaincy. ”I am not saying that the whole team should be disbanded and not suggesting all the senior players should go. Lots of people are suggesting to drop Dhoni from captaincy, I am not saying that. I am saying that we have to bring in new players who have not been affected by the happenings since England tour,” said Gavaskar.

  359. #361 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 11:28 AM

    gillani to give qurbani to save his jaaani

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30812

  360. #362 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 12:45 PM

    Salman Khan’s favourite cricketer was Imran Khan:

  361. #363 by NewGuy on January 14, 2012 - 2:10 PM

    A few thoughts this morning.

    I thought India fought back with the ball very well yesterday. Especially after the Warner assault, and the Sydney marathon, everyone would have given up thinking Oz running up big total. Getting 10 wickets for 200 odds is good. Zaheer and Yadav bowled really well. Yadav should be encouraged, and more bowlers like him should be groomed.

    That said, batting continues their pathetic display, as it cannot improve overnight, in fact I don’t think this line up will ever improve. You are playing with uncles aged 38-39, it’s actually not possible in any international sport except from cricket this kind of tamasha will happen.

    Indian selectors did not plan succession, and let oldies carry on, they are paying price. Laxman should have retired after SA tour, when he won a match. SRT after WC, again on a high, 100 or not. Dravid, should have retired after England tour, again on a high. Selectors should have planned succession in the meantime for all retiring players.

    However, this type of thing never happens in Indian cricket. Only Gavaskar retired when he looked good for few more Tests. Everyone else including Kapil, Vengsarkar, Azzar, all had to be pushed out.

    I agree with KS, Test cricket is not a priority for sub continent any more. Indians are unlikely to ever get back to a stage to defeat top Test playing nations, SA, Aus, Eng.

    As I have said before, if you compete in sports you either compete to become the best, or not compete at all. Time for India to either give up Test cricket, or make plans to be best.

  362. #364 by NewGuy on January 14, 2012 - 2:22 PM

    Raju,

    I don’t address you too often because I am simply not interested in going back and forth without anything good coming out it. Most often you make over the top comments. When someone does that it is pointless to argue with them.

    I am not bothered by what you say about SRT or Indian team in general, it sounded like you thought you could annoy me by calling Indians minnows and saying you like top teams SA, Aus, Eng. That is too pathetic.

    As a Pakistani you are not concerned about affairs of your team? you like following gora sahabs, that kind of mentality divided people in sub-continent for two hundred years and allowed English to rule them. As every wanted to be on the side of Gora sahab, because gora sahab was too good right?

    As long as Indians, Pakistanis, do not think they can be best and beat or match top teams, things will continue this way, as long as people like you keep accepting they are top and I want to watch them, it will continue that way. Don’t fee so insecure and inferior, if you believe in yourself you can be as good as anybody. Try that.

    I figured the real reason for your animosity towards Tendulkar, it is not because he is Indian, it is simply because he is successful, and you do not like successful people, it is coming from your own insecurity. I have seen this before. People that are not confident often dislike successful people.

  363. #365 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 2:48 PM

    Newguy

    I didn’t think much of Zaheer and Yadav getting Australia out for cheap because I don’t think Australia were taking this Test seriously after Warner made a century.

    They feel they are going to win this easily and I think probably just waiting for India to implode.

    If you think about it, the way the current teams are playing, there is not a great deal of difference between India and Pakistan at Test level.

    Pakistan because of their bowling are better than mid tier Sri Lanka.

    Australia, South Africa and England are clearly better than India.

    I wonder based on current form whether Pakistan will be able to beat India in Tests.

    BCCI needs to tone down on T20 and IPL. That is the first step. Indian youngsters nowadays are more focused on improving their T20 as opposed to Test skill.

    The culture needs to change and I daresay this will take years.

    I don’t see India being in top 3 for some time to come.

  364. #366 by NewGuy on January 14, 2012 - 4:31 PM

    KS,

    India Test team is not a team anymore. They have gone down at an alarming pace, just like an untrained person trying to ski crashing down a long slope.

    The crash started in England and is now complete, it is in their mind, they cannot even score 200 runs now, even Bangladesh might score more than this?

    Coach should be fired, along with captain and several players. They need a break from international cricket. Dhoni should have long lay off.

    Playing ODI cricket after this trauma will not help them in that format either. Not if the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir, are still around, because they are mentally scarred.

    Rating and standing does not matter, India simply have gotten their mind set negative, this set of individuals cannot win anymore. For Australia, England, SA, they are all beatable, as SL showed against SA, and NZ showed against Australia. Indians simply have gone down like nine pins after WC win.

    It seems like that win made them all complacent and they were taking it easy.

    As for Test, outside of SA, Aus, Eng, now with India crashing down, everyone else is more or less around same place. It is now only a question of degrees and who plays where. Perhaps it is also the demise of Test cricket outside of traditional Test playing nations.

  365. #367 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 4:44 PM

    Newguy

    Ever since becoming captain Dhoni has been lamenting the amount of cricket the top level cricketers are playing.

    India is playing more international cricket than most teams. Plus you have IPL and domestic tournaments on top of that.

    So there is too much cricket and eventually signs of nonchalance will show.

    I agree that complacency is a factor following WC victory. This is again part of subcontinental pysche- once you achieve something big, you lose appetite for a while.

    However in Tests there is definitely a competition problem.

    India has the resources to be the no 1 team. Until Zaheer Khan is fit and well, until Sehwag is around they have the players who can win matches even if the Great 3 are not in the team.

    Will India make a commercial sacrifice and tone down on T20?

    That is the biggest question.

    India has the resources but their strategy is T20 oriented. This is the disappointment.

    Look at how defensive Misbah is making Pakistan but at least he believes they will improve in Tests if he does that. At least he is trying even if he is using the wrong approach. India is not trying.

    I guess the purists can’t do much if the cricket board itself is too busy sorting out IPL deals.

    They have shot themselves in the foot and 3-4 years ago the purists were saying that too much T20 and IPL would result in this.

  366. #368 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 5:14 PM

    NEWGUYYYYY……………..

    you cant withstand criticsm of tendulkar. youve run out of ammo dear!

    hahaha………… Calm down dear!

    your response is typical indian response

    failure of tendulkar hurts most indians more than failure of the team

    your psycho analysing me; im flatered. since when I became object of your interest

    its better if you analyse the mind of the one who’s discomforting you

    i mean tendulkar not me; youll find conceit, selfishness,vanity and a refusal to acknowledge the reality that he’s no longer a force.

    im not going to respond to portion of your cumments where you dissect me bakaoz thats the last resort one adopts when he runs out of arguments and its a deliberate distraction tactic and im not interested in that!

    mate tendulkar is a VIRAL oh sorry VIRTUAL FAILURE now and he should seriously contemplate retirement. today you say he’s not going. well stubborness is not a praiseworthy trait or is it? Zardari is notoriuos for it!

    BTW why im criticising him even i dont know and i dont care, i wonder why you are trying to put forth a theory?

    i think its bakaoz he’s not perfornming and he should realise and accept it instead of lingering on. any einstein can figure that out, its that simple but accepting it is the toughest part- rite

    anyway good luck with your analysis and perhaps you might be able to find why he’s failing? today he was nodding his head in dismay as if there was a conspiracy against him ;)

    anyway im not interested in minnows performance and averages of flopping batsmen. all this talk that he averages 40, 45

    has any Indian forum discussed average of clarke in this series and his bold gesture not to go for a record. always looking for excuses to remain in the team!

    i must say if lara or richards were indian , they would have been more successful than tendulkar. for all the success talk about him, he never played a match winning innings.

    sorry mate, truth hurts, its apparent!

    As harry truman (US president and one of my favorite gora ;) ) said

    ” i never said to people go to hell. i simply told them the truth and they thought i was saying ” Go to hell !'”

    have a nice weekend dear ! :D

  367. #369 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 5:19 PM

    im impressed by kohli. this lad has temperament and with a little bit of encouragement, he will become a world class batsman.

    australia has weaknesses with their batting line up. if indians can get a lead of around 100, who knows

    but its more wishful thinking i may add

  368. #370 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 5:26 PM

    graeme swann is learning Arabic JK

    he’s full of azzam, something which other teams are lacking

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/current/story/549471.html

  369. #371 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 5:30 PM

    BTW newguy the british ruled over us and virtually all of the world not bakaoz of our admiration for goras

    but muslims became complacent, stopped doing research and indulged in ayyashi ie carnal pleasures.

    socieities, sportsmen, politicians virually everybody falls when they indulge in such nonsesnse

    hating goras or loving them wont change ground reality; only hard work weill

    thats why china is the next heir to the world superpower throne bakaoz of its hard work

  370. #372 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 5:34 PM

    RR

    China was bound to become a superpower in the 21st century. No credit should be given to the Chinese for their hard work.

    Can you imagine a 21st century with only one superpower?
    :D

  371. #373 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 5:50 PM

    Gavaskar’s Diplomacy:

    Is Gavaskar afraid of Dhoni and Tendulkar? Why can’t he mention names? On one hand he is saying the seniors must be dropped and on the other he is saying I am not suggesting that seniors should be dropped. This dual policy and diplomacy will not lead them anywhere. You have to call a spade, a spade.

  372. #374 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 6:10 PM

    ks

    i think demise if US is also happening due to the same reason. recent studies reveal few scientisits, academicians, bad and corrupt business practices. china with its trade leverage over america will out muscle it something around 2020.

    jk

    there are certain iconic cricketers in India who are rarely criticised. tendulkar, dhoni, dravid to an extent and sehwag. if gavaskar doesnt mean dhoni and tendulkar, then whom is he referring to? even i found his remark bemusing!

    anyway south africa beat sri lanka by 5 wkts

  373. #375 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 6:22 PM

    well a talented pakistani has left us

    my condolences to her parents

    arfa karim was 16

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30931

  374. #376 by NewGuy on January 14, 2012 - 7:31 PM

    Raju,

    I don’t defend Tendulkar, I have criticized him here many times, I don’t need to prove it you though. Also, I am not Indian, I am American. By that I mean I am not like Indian desis who have settled here who still show desi behavior. So, lay off that attitude thinking if you say something about Tendulkar I get riled up. Matter of fact, you are the one person who keeps trolling here about Tendulkar all the time. No one else does. That means you have an obsession about him. Why is that? I think because he is successful, and you don’t like people who are famous. You have the habit of bad mouthing people, like Veena Malik for instance, using abusive language. May be she did things that you do not approve based on your moral conduct, but for you to call her a slut and words like that, shows your character. I never call any women slut or words to that extend, and I dislike people, men especially, who do that. Perhaps you have a problem because people become famous and successful, you don’t like it.

    Anyway, that is all your problem, not mine, so you can troll as much as you want going forward, I won’t respond.

  375. #377 by raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:11 PM

    NEWGUYYYYYYYYYYY…………..

    hahaha……………..

    ur still persisting with me; As you say ” this means you have obsession with tendul……

    But you have seem to have an obsexion with me

    UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…………………..!

    I wished you a nice weekend but you are spoiling it by this obsession ;)

    anyway tendulkar has already spoiled your party and you have hardly any argument left so now from tendulkar to gora and now veena !

    sheer wastage of time ( no not me, admiration for tendulkar!)

    naaaaaaaaahh…………Im not going to fall for veena boobby trap

    Im not like indian batsmen who fish outside off stump !

    I know ur american so I mentioned Truman ;)

    but in your heart you have an obsession with …………….????

    PS: you were never able to him defend him even when I had debates with other bloggers about him. You pretended to be neutral but now you are unable to conceal your fondness for him and your anguish over his critciism.

    BTW veena was defended by me and KS was against her. So actually what you are ascribing to me are infact views of KS not me. So your analysis visavis veena is not about me but about those who are critical of her.

  376. #378 by raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:17 PM

    It seems gavaskar is not the only one who is diplomatic but there are other tendulkar supporters who seem uncertain what policy to adopt.

    Come on, whats the hestitation. either support him or call for his axing!

    at least we are not in two minds about mishap.

  377. #379 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 9:46 PM

    Raju

    I also feel very sorry and sad for Arfa’s demise, it seems that most intelligent people do not live long enough to contribute their talent, whatever the Maslehut of Allah is, only He knows. May Allah give her parents the courage to bear this irreparable loss and grant her a place in jannat ……. “sir uthaa tay hee ho gaye pamaal, sabza-e-nao dameeda ki maanind.” Khair ye pamaal tou nahee houi laikin juda ho gayee!

  378. #380 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 9:50 PM

    Tendulkar may not score his 100 against Australia but, he has a good opportunity to score one against Sri Lanka when they play the tri-series in Australia next month. Sri Lanka after getting bashed up by South Africa will have nothing to prove so they MUST play better, whereas India will have a lot to prove because, they are the WC champions and Sri Lanka are finalists of the WC. And, India needs to defend its title. Let us see how Sehwag & Co., will play in the shorter version of the game?

    Gavaskar has been like this from the beginning i.e., expressing his views in a very devious manner. I don’t understand why can’t he be candid and express his views openly? What is the point of saying something indirectly? Anyways, its not just him but there are many more Gavaskars from India.

  379. #381 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 9:56 PM

    Jk

    u know the worst thing that can happen to a parent is to attend his child’s funeral.

    This is something i wish never happens to anyone but god works in mysterious ways.anyway may Allah grant her parents another child who can fill her shoes.

  380. #382 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 10:01 PM

    Yes news cmg from india is tendulkar will be selectd for tri series. He’l get the senkdra definitely against sl but indian team has now got too bruised and this 100 will not do much of a healing job.

    There r many questions that need to be answered.

  381. #383 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 10:13 PM

    NewGuy

    I would like to stay away from this debate on Tendulkar between you and Raju.

    But, on Veena Malik I would like to say that calling her a slut is like calling a spade, a spade. Because, it is not just Raju, KS or I say that, everyone else in Pakistan call her Gashtee which means a slut. I am sure you know the background of these people like, Veena, Meera, Nargas etc., they are all the product of Heera Mandi, Lahore. And HML is a red light area since centuries and most (respectable) people avoid going near that area. Reportedly now a days most of these Gashtees have moved out of the red light area and have settled in big posh localities and some of them have sent their daughters to good English medium schools and colleges and you cannot tell them from their appearance that they are Gashtees.

    They are still doing the same business and some of them are in film industry, some in modelling, some do nothing but they are escorts for the VIPs and so on. However, Veena’s character has come under scrutiny many times because of the controversies she has created. The Mullahs and the religious clerics have been very much against her, especially since her visits to India on the India TV and then on the cover of a magazine. I never knew about her until I saw that TV debate with a Mullah and based on that I had some sympathies for her, and that was because she was acting very well and using the gender card which KS pointed out many times. Still I thought that she has the freedom to do what she likes.

    But, after some deliberate thinking and also by talking to some other people (not religious minded or mullahs) I was able to see that she is wrong. Whatever people do in their private life in a brothel or in their house is different from doing openly in public. Whatever role she was playing in that BIG brother serial (which I did not see) I was told that it was not right for a Pakistani, Muslim woman. And, then the nude pose on the cover of a magazine is the last nail on the coffin. She lost all her credibility and support, because nudity and that too openly is unacceptable. India and Pakistan are not Sweden and Denmark to have nude beaches and this type of culture cannot prevail in the sub-continent not at least in the next few decades. And, in Pakistan it is highly unlikely that it will happen ever.

    Lastly, it was KS who was dead against her whereas, Raju and I who were calling her Gashtee and, we were still supporting her stance but, later when I realized I was wrong, I wrote it here on this blog that KS was right that there is always a limit. Just like there is a smaller sin and there is a big sin, likewise there is a limit that people accept indecency but, vulgarity and nudity is not acceptable in our society as a whole. People are still doing that and appreciating it but not openly. So, whatever I am saying now is nothing new I am just clarifying this point that Veena Malik does not deserve any respect from the people of Pakistan!

  382. #384 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 10:16 PM

    Raju

    I agree on that, last year someone we know — his 26 year old son died in a motor-bike accident and when we went to the funeral, some one said, “we don’t bury our children, they bury us.” That is why I felt bad for Azharuddin when his son died in a motor-bike accident last year. For any parent, the pain is very, very severe.

  383. #385 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2012 - 10:22 PM

    8, 14, 21, 28 February 2012 will be a day that Indian supporters, rather Tendulkar’s supporters would be celebrating his 100th 100 bakaoz that is the day when India and Sri Lanka will play against each other in the tri-series. And, what will happen if he doesn’t? Will someone commit a suicide? It happened during the WC that one of his fans died in India, I mean he committed suicide because Tendulkar did not score a hundred. May God help these people and guide them that, their life is much, much, much more important than that stupid hundred. In fact there is no comparison between a human life and Tendulkar’s hundred, it is sheer madness and the media should stop this nonsense.

  384. #386 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 10:55 PM

    jk

    elaborating upon your cumment 383, i would like to add that from my perspective discussion about veena had two dimensions. the first one was to exchange views pertaining to ethics, values, dual standards of society, vulgarity and modernism etc.to assess reasons for one’s stance etc.

    second and the more important one was to understand my fellow bloggers here specially Ks as i had a thorough debate with him on this matter. it provides one with a window to understanding the other person but more importantly exchange of any type devleops a bond between concerned parties. see how do you develop a bond with another person with whom you cant physically interact; obviously by exchange of views.

    i understood ks’s view that exposure has limitations and my view is that exposure is bad as once it starts it cant be limited. that was it for the debate,there wasc nothing beyiond that but I allowed it to swell as more exchanges meant more interaction and meant better understanding and stronger bondage.

    to be very frank with you, i give a damn about veena’s antics or cricketer’s exploits or politicians advbentures. I understand humans are diverse and we can never agree on everything and perhaps thats what we admire in a person. you can never talk with your reflection for 5 minutes so how can you engage in a discussion where the other person virtually agrees with you on everything. I like the fact that people have divergent views and thats what is great about us humans. so I agree when you say people commit suicide over a 100, this is madness and nothing else.!

    I know feel even if tendulkar gets the 100, indian cricket has got so bruised there will be little celebrations. 6 losses and 7th is almost a foregone conclusion barring any miracle, so it is a knockout blow and requires a lot of time for recovery.

    by the looks of the series, india may lose the odi’s against australia as well so in all it would be a bad tour!

  385. #387 by Raju reporter on January 14, 2012 - 10:57 PM

    sorry it is

    I now feel even if tendulkaar gets the 100….

  386. #388 by Sentinel Prime on January 14, 2012 - 11:14 PM

    RR and JAK

    I think you have both slightly misunderstood my position on Veena.

    JAK is right when he says that, I did say that what happens behind closed doors or Punjabi cinema/mujreys (with a gender specific and narrow target audience) is different to what happens on prime time TV or on the cover of an international magazine.

    But, my problem is not what Veena has done from an ethical or religious point of view. She can show as much skin as she wants, from the religious POV it’s not my problem and it’s between her and her creator.

    My problem is how she tried to project that she was being targeted because she was a woman, or that what she was doing was also happening in Pakistan. Simply because, that point about being targeted was irrelevant and nonsense- she had gone to India and millions had seen what she was doing. Secondly, what she was doing does not happen on prime time TV in Pakistan and normal families, women and children, middle and working classes etc are not exposed to it in this way.

    So her justification was nonsense and I was also shocked to see how people were sympathising with her, not so much because of her case, but because of their resentment for the Mullah.

    I will not call her a “slut” (I haven’t called her any negative names) or a whore or anything like that. She is entitled to earn money in any way she wants to, but my problem is that her justification should be that she is an entertainer and this is how she will climb the ladder of success in India. Her justification should not be that, she is being targeted because she is famous or because she is a woman or because the religious lobby has a grudge against her.

  387. #389 by NewGuy on January 15, 2012 - 2:35 AM

    Jk,

    Even if Veena or any other women are doing what they are doing, i.e, skin trade, I will not call her a slut or such name. I think the closest I would have come is sleaze. Who are we to question other people and how they should conduct their moral life. Showing nudity is her prerogative, when you say as a Pakistani and as a Muslim she cannot do this, you are violating her individual freedom, by binding her in societal structure. It is not her choice that she was born in Pakistan or as a Muslim women. She cannot change these things, what if she wants to live her life, lets even call it by making mistakes, it is after all human only. Let those who have not sinned cast the first stone, is my motto. I respect every women, even if they are from Heera Mandi. Especially since I know how girls / women of families without wealth and status sometimes are treated by the society in the sub-continent. Like they are trash. Then the male society that uses them are the first one to call them names. Not saying this about you or anyone else, but in general saying the odds are stacked against her, so if she makes an error in judgement on her part, I will close my eyes and won’t call them names.

  388. #390 by NewGuy on January 15, 2012 - 4:03 AM

    Only a matter of time before India are down 3-0

    I am only passively checking score to see how long before they are all out, to my surprise Kohli and Dravid put together a decent partnership. Kohli is battling it out, and scored a half century, meanwhile Dravid just got out clean bowled again. Shows that if you give youth chance they will after a few innings find their way, even if they falter it is still OK, because they are young and can learn. Dravid meanwhile at age of 39 cannot learn anything new now. He must retire. As should Laxman and SRT.

    I think selectors must force all three to retire after the tour, or at least start phasing out.

    Dravid cannot continue to be #3, SRT cannot continue without getting over the hundred, if he cannot in another two innings, he too should retire. Laxman is way past expiry now.

    Bring in youngsters and they will find a way. At least they will field well and if they lose they will learn something and fight back.

    Does Indian selectors have the b***s to force Dravid, SRT, and Laxman into retirement? Lets wait and see soon.

    Earlier argument was if all three retired at same time, there is no one to guide the youth, looking at how the last 7 overseas Tests have gone, that argument no longer has validity. There is not guidance required. Let them learn the ropes on their own.

    Indian selectors show guts, call a spade and spade, throw Dravid, SRT, Laxman out of team. Put Sehwag on probation.

  389. #391 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 7:24 AM

    7th test on the trot……………….

    oh God, india what s gone wrong with you

    is this a new record for consecutive overses losses

    Come to think of it, in both innings india couldnt cross warner’s individual score

    thats why iam critical of indian selection policy, they should now oust these buddhas

    tendulkar’s hundred will now exacerbate the wound more rather than heal it

    I can feel the trauma indian fans are going through

    this is absolute carnage!

  390. #392 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2012 - 7:31 AM

    NewGuy;

    It is not a matter of respect or disrespect, I did not say I disrespect her or, any other woman from that profession or, any other profession — because, in my case there is not even a 1: Billion times possibility that, I will never interact with her in my life in any manner whatsoever — As regards calling Gashtee, when you say prostitution is one of the oldest profession in the world, then what else do you call a prostitute?

    Now a days there are different names like hooker, slut, pro etc., etc. In Urdu and Hindi apart from Tawaif or, Kothay waliyaan they also call them as, Vehshia, Domnee, Bazari aurat, randi etc. People are recognized by their profession like, accountant, doctor, engineer, lawyer likewise they are called by those above names. So, what is wrong in it? If someone comes to me and ask for some monetary or financial help, if I give it as a charity I should not think or consider who that person is and should not be disrespectful towards that person.

    If you say that she has no control over her birth place or religion, I don’t buy that story because, as an adult everyone has this choice. For e.g., you were born in India but, you decided to chose USA as your country of domicile. You were born as a Hindu and you call yourself an Atheist or an Agnostic or whatever. So, she also has the right to change her country of domicile and her religion, it is as simple as that. I won’t suggest which country or what religion but, she has a choice and that is her freedom, who is stopping her from doing that?

    But, when you live in a country and when you practice a religion you have to abide by the rules of that country and the religion. A common man or a lay person when he/she does something in her private life no one cares because, it is not affecting the life of others. But, when you acquire that celebrity status you have certain obligations towards the people and the community. Because, there are so many ignorant people who are watching them on TV or in movies they think that person is right. Even if they don’t consider them as right they don’t consider it as a wrongful act. In fact some sympathize with them, like I did earlier on and I changed my views later on.

    I dunno if you were here on this blog when we discussed Shahrukh Khan’s comments which he made through TV i.e., when one of the media channels went into his house and he tried to be very secular and was saying there is no difference between Hinduism and Islam and there is no difference between Bhagwan and Allah and I have a mandir and masjid side by side in my house and they showed on the TV and ALL that he was doing was because, his wife is a Hindu and he is a celebrity and he wanted to please the masses.

    IMO, and in the eyes of whoever believes in Allah it is Shirk to compare Allah with anyone else. And, Shahrukh Khan has no right to blab out that kinda nonsense in public. He can do whatever he wants in his house and in his private life but, that should not come out in public where he can wrongly influence the masses. Likewise, Veena can do anything in her private life but, she should not violate the code of ethics and religion of the country where she lives.

  391. #393 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 7:40 AM

    ks

    i dont understand ur latest cumment aboiut veena

    will u please elaborate?

    btw when one questions a woman’s behaviour its irrelvant calling her a slut or not

    I dont understand whts with the terminology

    whatever impulse compelled veena to do this, she’ll be labelled a slut

    after all dont we call majority pakis uncouth and politicians corrupt

    so in my book its the same

    Jk

    im agree with ur views in ur last cumment

    if a woman gets paid for sex shell be called a hooker

    so what ekse she be called

    sells her body for money; isnt it the same as prostitute

    i dont see any substance in this debate

  392. #394 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2012 - 7:41 AM

    Like you all predicted India will lose the match, my views were not different and I did not bother to check the score. Now, that I came back home after a dinner get together, I checked the score and there is nothing to write home about. Like you guys are demanding the axing of the oldies, moi aussi, I too have the same feelings. But, isn’t it a shame that they have to exit like this? Dhoni’s woes continue as a captain and as a batsman both, and he is among the list of those who needs to be retired forcefully from test cricket.

    Is there any interest left in the 4th test match? I don’t think anyone would be watching that test match. In fact the demolition of India in test matches have taken away the gloss and sheen of the forthcoming tri-series and the T20 matches. Even the Pakistan England series have not created any interest, at least for me and I am not looking forward to seeing that contest, especially the test matches. IMO, these are very sad days for cricket in the sub-continent, they all look like minnows and once in a while they play well. There is no consistency in any team from the sub-continent.

  393. #395 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 8:45 AM

    on second thoughts veena’s discussion was triggered by a discussion about tendulkar and she was deliberately dragged into the debate now

    if it was objectionable to call her anything, it should have been objected at that point in time,rather than use it as a meek defence due to lack of genuine arguments.

    for me it was thoroughly discussed, debated and dusted; nothing left to discuss i feel

    so too hell with veena and how she’s rated

    and tendulkar and indian cricket’s state is aptly portrayed by jk in his last cumment’s final para.

    today commentators are discussing pk would have problems with mishap’s defensive approach against england.

    so yes in sub continent test cricket is suffering and we should now move on to fresh faces rather than cling to these stubborn old players who have no sentiments for their respective fans and all they care about is their place in team.

    like mr dravid said a few days ago respect the fans and now how woefully he’s batting. practice what u preach rahul

    do you think you are respecting your fan base by getting bowled all the time

    why dont the fab 4 stand up and take responsibility and voluntary offer to retire

    eventually 3 of them will retire in a matter of few months

    shouldnt india, pk look for warners, clarkes rather than constantly seeing this drubbing

    such a hi profile contest and its disappointing to see this minnow thrashing

    sheer wastage of time and poor advertisement for test cricket!

    and england – pk would be a sequel to this pathetic test cricket state in sub continent

    most probably it would be a 0-0 or 1-1 drwan series

    ughhhhhhhhh…….

    disgustingggg!

  394. #396 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 9:24 AM

    oh.. Dhoni is banned for slow over rate

    he wont be able to captain in adelaide

    blessing in disguise?????????

    calls for laxman to be axed

    so perhaps it will be a slightly different india in adelaide

    but will it be 3-1, 4-0 or 3-0

    http://cricketnext.in.com/news/dhoni-gets-onetest-ban-for-slow-over-rate/63101-13.html

  395. #397 by Sentinel Prime on January 15, 2012 - 9:54 AM

    Kohli’s performance should show Indian selectors that the young guns can outperform the Great 4.

    Tendulkar should call his retirement and I am sure Laxman and Dravid would follow. Even if Tendulkar scored runs in the first 2 Tests, those runs have not helped India at all.

    It would be a very appropriate and selfless act. If he focuses on ODI’s only I am sure he can play for another 2 years and there will be many run scoring opportunities against mid tiers and minnows, if his form is lacking.

  396. #398 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 11:31 AM

    ks im agree tendulkar can play well in odis

    if u do a comprison, you’ll find a newbie like warner outshining the fab 4.

    so its pointless to discuss performance of indian batters, they r outclaseed

  397. #399 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2012 - 11:32 AM

    Oh now Dhoni is talking about phasing out seniors, does he include himself among the seniors or he considers himself a junior?

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549548.html

    Dhoni has got too much fame and money in a very short time and that has gone into his head, even Tendulkar did not get so much fame in such short time. Whenever and whatever Dhoni blabs, it sounds very pseudo to me. I was never impressed by his batting or his captaincy. He is simply very lucky but, this time for the 7th time in succession his luck has deserted him. I think between the lines he has hinted that he should remain in the team by saying, there can’t be all juniors in the team and all seniors cannot be left behind.

    In 39 Tests in the subcontinent, MS Dhoni averages 45.40, with five hundreds and 14 fifties; in 28 Tests outside the subcontinent he averages 29.25, with ten fifties and no centuries.

    Rahul Dravid was bowled for the 54th time, which is a record in Test cricket, going past Allan Border’s previous record of 53.

    Harbhajan must be having his last laugh and thanking his stars for not being in the squad, otherwise he too would have been in the list of seniors who needed to be axed.

  398. #400 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 11:37 AM

    jk

    he won 2 world cups for nindia

    im agree hes not a good test capt but what about shorter format?

    isnt that an achievement, he should get credit for that

  399. #401 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2012 - 11:46 AM

    Raju

    The word credit is very comical and farcical especially in the sub-continent. Does anyone give any credit to Shahid Afridi?

    Btw, I was just reading two statements made by Gillani, one in Islamabad and the other in Vihari (check Samaa.tv) these statements contradict each other and I don’t understand what he is trying to say? To me it sounds like:

    A Bull was preparing himself for a fight with a tiger and he was rubbing his horns on a big rock nearby. When asked by a Lomree what are you doing? The Bull replied I am sharpening my horns so that I can poke them hard into the heart of the tiger. The Lomree asked, but why are you shitting? The Bull replied, I am scared to death.

  400. #402 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 11:47 AM

    so if dhoni if is removed from captaincy, who’ll be the captian

    fab 4 – tendulkar flopped as a captain, dravid couldnt gel with the team, laxman may have played his last match and sehwag is inflammatory

    secondly, it looks like a miissy thing to make these 3 capt ;)

    zaheer perhaps or who???

  401. #403 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 11:50 AM

    dear missy gets the credit

    he inspires afridi

    he brings stability and calmness! hahaha…..

    where is that blogger who sung his praise?

    I think eng-pk will be a 1-1 or 0-0 draw

    thats rubbish

    gillani is an a**ho**

    he farts and then says he’s having gastro problems

  402. #404 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 11:56 AM

    i think india had a better outing in england than in australia

    in england they had moments when they had a slight edge

    here its an absolute cdecimation

    this auusie team lost to NZ and yet with newbies and second string pace attack, they have crushed india

    still cant believe that in perth india lost in 2 and half days where they won last time

    the way I see indian board and the cricket higher ups look dazed. they dont have a clue to what happened

    india should have looked what happened to australia when gilly, mcgrath and warne left. but they persisted with oldies

    kohli is a ray of hope!

  403. #405 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2012 - 11:58 AM

    Wasim Chakram got some “credit”, reportedly Mitchell Starc got a “TIP” from him on how to keep the wrist position to swing the ball inwards, and that is how he got Tendulkar’s wicket? Starc is very tall, almost 6′- 5″ and from that height he can thump the ball on the pitch and even from a good-length poiyen, he can raise the ball up to chest level and that makes short batsmen very uncomfortable.

  404. #406 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2012 - 12:00 PM

    If India appoints a new captain for test matches (which is very unlikely because, they will retain Dhoni) it can’t be Zaheer because, Zaheer’s age and fitness is not suitable for that poiyen, India needs a young captain and they should choose between:

    Kohli
    Rohit
    Ashwin

    And, NO Gambhir for sure.

  405. #407 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 12:29 PM

    ks

    pls read jk cumment 383 and 392

    I agree with him and as I said its a closed matter for me

    Im not going to discuss issues which were thoroughly discussed just bakaoz criticism of tendulkar was unacceptable to someone

    sorry i completely disagree with ur views in 405

    if I call someone a bastard instead of illict child, it makes sense that im prompted at that point in time.

    not after some months just bakaoz of my views of a cricketer! the charge loses its bite and motive is questionable

    BTW its not true i called her a slut in the sense thats being discussed!

    i didnt contest his views bakaoz it was laughable and i felt pity over his helplessness that he had to drag something so irrelevant!

    just look at the sequence of cumments and you’ll understand till yesterday there was no Veena!

  406. #408 by Sentinel Prime on January 15, 2012 - 12:32 PM

    RR

    I don’t know what exactly you are referring to, but my comments to you were totally unrelated to Newguy or Tendulkar.

    I don’t need to read what Newguy said to you or vice versa because I am only addressing the point about you calling Veena “a slut” and making some remarks about women’s behaviour.

  407. #409 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 12:34 PM

    ks

    secondly if any of my views are deemed unappropriate, you are most welcome to moderate or delete them

    iam not going to protest or contest, you allow me to express my views and im thankful for that!

  408. #410 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 12:38 PM

    ks

    when did i discuss veena today or yesterday

    newguy was the one who brought her into the foray for totally absurd reasons

    Im not interested in this veena thing anymore, please close this matter!

    Iam not interested in contesting his senseless psycho analysis or character description about me, hes welcome to say anything about me!

    I know he wanted me lure into a personal, finger pointing debate and I just ignored it

    i dont fish outside offstump ;)

  409. #411 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 12:40 PM

    jk

    ur being too critical of dhobi

    he’s taking responsibilty

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549551.html

    give him some credit man

  410. #412 by raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 1:22 PM

    jk

    wasim is reportedly coaching indian seamers but they dont seem to improve as quicly as starc the stark

    does this mean india are slow learners?

    only one outing benefitted starc

    well chakram was supposed to be pro indian but he led to tendulkar’s downfall

    Teanduolkar must be saying

    Apney hi giratey hae nasheman pey bijliyaan

    but i love that senkdra rooth gaya more ;)

  411. #413 by NewGuy on January 15, 2012 - 1:47 PM

    JK,

    I think calling a women slut is not acceptable language, no matter what. It’s not like calling someone an accountant or engineer, you know that, but for argument sake you can say this, no one will ever accept that argument. The word slut is used as a way to demean someone, its use is derogatory and the caller knows it, as well as everyone who hear it. Anyhow, I lay this matter to rest, as I have expressed my view of it.

  412. #414 by NewGuy on January 15, 2012 - 1:50 PM

    India lost 4-0 in England, and so far down 3-0 in Aus, may go on to lose 4-0. Is England better team, or Australia better team? since Australia seem to be winning even more easily.

    Large scale changes needed in Indian team, now it cannot be hidden under the carpet. Kohli scored 75 and was out last, given time and patience younger people will do well. They will also be positive. Time to ax all big three, Sehwag, and Dhoni, build new team with young players, new captain.

  413. #415 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 2:11 PM

    immi you cant be serious

    ganja and zrdari, il be damned

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=41628&CID=1

  414. #416 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 2:15 PM

    jk

    gillani is continuing with his farts

    panga nahi chodr raha

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=30981

  415. #417 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 2:23 PM

    Mr shafqaty is now sounding like a true mishap

    Beating sl was the high point??? excuse me sl is now an official minnow!

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/546849.html?addata=col_mod

  416. #418 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 3:35 PM

    ks

    ajmal has invented teesra

    you were critcal about him and so is gooch but hafeez thinks he’s created something innovative

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=41635&CID=3

  417. #419 by raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 5:07 PM

    This guy looks similar to MSD

    hehehe….. :lol:

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=31005

  418. #420 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 5:58 PM

    Injury scare for Broad

    andrsun yorkr struk broad on left foot which resulted in severe bruising.

  419. #421 by Raju reporter on January 15, 2012 - 10:18 PM

    Mr srininvasan doesnt seem to perturbed by the loss

    . N Srinivasan, the BCCI President, made light of the loss, saying home conditions had helped Australia dominate in the series. “It is a case of Australians played better in their home conditions,” he said. “England won 5-0 in England. They came here here within a month or two and they lost 5-0. Last time, after our loss to England, I had said that we will beat them when they visit India.”

    “Next New Zealand is coming to India and it will be followed by England and Australia. We will beat these three teams on our own soil. They cannot beat us here and we will feel very happy.”

    Haha.. No need to be despondent Indian fans, indian higher ups are waiting for revenge and consider it as NORMAL!

    phew..! I thought mishap was the only joke in sub continent, cant believe cricket board’s chairman reacting like this to a 3-0 drubbing with one test to go

    no wonder seniors feel confident with this stubborn attitude of the board.

    Even shukla adds a bit of comedy with his thoughts

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549572.html

  420. #422 by Raju reporter on January 16, 2012 - 11:06 AM

    Just got an sms

    Gillani has offerd to resign in meeting with zardari in wake of SC ruling.

  421. #423 by Raju reporter on January 16, 2012 - 5:09 PM

    nasser hussain’s thoughts on tomorrow’s hi profile series

    http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12080_7423711,00.html

  422. #424 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 16, 2012 - 8:13 PM

    Guys, I am a wee bit down and under the weather, will get back soon.

  423. #425 by raju reporter on January 16, 2012 - 8:22 PM

    oh…………………!

    lets hope you get ample sunshione over there

    anyway, your chum mishap will lock horns with strauus tomorrow

    Clsh of the titans or 7 ways to achieve draw ;)

    lets see

  424. #426 by raju reporter on January 16, 2012 - 8:23 PM

    ks

    tusi bhi kya weather ki waja sey aaraam kar rahe ho?

  425. #427 by raju reporter on January 16, 2012 - 8:32 PM

    energy drinks not good for health

    so jk even you are feeling jaded, dont boost yourself with a can of redbull

    http://www.samaa.tv/afpnewsdetail.aspx?type=health&loc=AFP-English-Shared-health-newsmlmmd.5b0414f1ca4b782a4b1a86cd7ff3be6b.211

  426. #428 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 11:32 AM

    England in tatters

    160/8

    5er for ajmal

    prior top scorer with a 50!

    hummm……………..

  427. #429 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 11:43 AM

    a controversy may brew up

    English commentators were saying that Saeed Ajmal bends his arm & wear full sleave shirt to hide it :D What a pity guys. You already started a controversy again on the 1st day of the tour. Same stuff u did on the last tour as well. Shame!” Adee I quite agree, a little bit misconceived.

    its just an innocuous comment or we may see some drama- hmmm……….!

  428. #430 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 17, 2012 - 12:31 PM

    Wow Ajmal got 7 wickets, dekhna hai kay missybaba kya kertay hain bakaoz the game is under his whatever now especially since England has been bundled out for 192

  429. #431 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 12:40 PM

    hishishissssssssssss………………..

    how stupid not to take monty

    i think 100-120 lead pak leyga!

  430. #432 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 17, 2012 - 12:46 PM

    Raju

    Ye kya AchumBha ho gaya? England all out for 192 it seems they have succumbed to Ajmal and trying to find excuses by creating controversies, so typical of gora mentality. They cannot digest the success and superiority of others over them.

    The umpires are from New Zealand and Australia, so they cannot complain more for any biased umpiring. Ajmal’s 5/7 wickets are LBW and that means they are unable to read his ball (whether it is teesra or chowtha) and its constantly hitting on the pads.

  431. #433 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 12:50 PM

    jk

    u read my cumment 421 and analyse srinivisan ‘s views

    it looks now all teames are faithful husbands ;)- Devi pooja pandey !

    so cricket is now becoming too boring

    england strong at home and struggling on spin tracks

    india zero overseas; same with pk

    south africa is the only team who contest well overseas!

  432. #434 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 17, 2012 - 1:03 PM

    Yeah Raju I have read that SreeNi(vasan) and SreeKa(nath) comments as well as Shukla’s Mokla and they are all beating around the bush when there is no bird in it. They are trying to defend when there is nothing left to defend. The 4th test shall be played without Laxman for sure and Rohit will come in.

    So far PK are playing well in comparison to England they have retained wickets 30/0 whereas, England were 43/5. Only 5 more overs for the day are left and they should not lose a wicket.

  433. #435 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 1:06 PM

    im going, lets see how much pk score from here

    for my money if pk get 150+ lead, englassnd will lose.

    they need to restrict pk to arouund 300!

  434. #436 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 17, 2012 - 1:12 PM

    Panesar ko nahee khila ker England nay ghalati ki hai, they should have had him in the team besides Swann.

  435. #437 by NewGuy on January 17, 2012 - 1:27 PM

    What a great way to start the series against the so called world #1 team

    It did not take too long to prove England cannot play on spin tracks, same for Aussies as well. That still does not excuse Indians failure in England and Australia. England if they lose again shows the wins against India was only because Indians played very poorly, show cased by their even more dismal performance in OZ.

    So, Pakistan is proving they are a match for the #1 ranked team. Ajmal looks like a world class bowler now. When he troubled Tendulkar in WC semi it should have been obvious, as not many bowlers make Tendulkar struggle.

    Javed, yeah, English will find some problems with Ajmal, their media will start cooking stories if he starts taking wickets like this and win matches against them. Pakistan should be well prepared for that, and not fall for their tricks. A media manager should be ready to tackle such tactics.

    Pakistan has done well not to lose a wicket. Misbah’s safety first approach may after all win them a lead. Lets wait and see. If Pakistan can take a good first innings lead, then the Test will go their way.

    We will see by end of Day 2.

  436. #438 by Sentinel Prime on January 17, 2012 - 2:09 PM

    Newguy

    In the WC SF even Afridi made SRT struggle and I think other bowlers did too. He was dropped 4 times and at least 3 times on Afridi alone. Misbah started the series of drops, and after the dropped catch he had a very casual impression and appeared to show no remorse. Then it was Younis followed by the Akmal brothers.

  437. #439 by Sentinel Prime on January 17, 2012 - 2:10 PM

    RR

    West Indians also remarked in 2011 that Ajmal chucks.

    I think Ajmal’s action is clean.

  438. #440 by Sentinel Prime on January 17, 2012 - 2:12 PM

    Newguy

    We have to be careful we are not overrating Ajmal. In one crucial T20 match, Hussey hit him for plenty in the last over and Australia won. I know T20 is a lot about luck, but a good bowler would have prevented that kind of onslaught. I think Aussies needed something like 20 runs to win and Hussey hit 2 sixers and 2 fours.

    Ajmal has had a lacklustre Test career and I think this is his finest performance. Always seemed more like a limited overs specialist.

  439. #441 by Sentinel Prime on January 17, 2012 - 2:17 PM

    Strange day of Test cricket- less than 250 runs were made and 10 wickets fell.

    I was always doubtful about England’s ability on tropical or “Asian” pitches. Having said that they can’t perform worse than this.

    If Swann and Prior can manage decent scores so can others- I am sure they will come back hard.

    Pakistan should realise this is a rare collapse from England.

    Batting wise Pakistan can muster 300 against this attack- I was hoping England would play Broad, Finn and Tremlett/Bresnan. Finn I heard bowls at 90mph. Anderson is useless when the ball is not swinging.

  440. #442 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 2:19 PM

    ks

    good to see you

    i dont know he’s a chucker or not, what I dont understand why monty wasnt selected

    yeah, he’s now imppressing in tests before that he was a limited overs bowler

    and theroy is that mishap has brought this transformatin in ajmal :lol:

    if tomorrow by lunch england dont get 3-4 wickets, they will end up losing this match.

    in hindsight, strauss shoulld nave bowled

    but every body is an expert at the end!

  441. #443 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 2:25 PM

    ks

    if england dont conquer ajmal in second innings, he’ll torment them in the whole series

    spinners once they get a foothold are very difficult to shrug off

    if you remeber in 08 or 09, india toured sri lanka

    ajantha mendis destroyed india taking 24 wkts which was a record for a cebutant

    although indians are best players of spin, they succumbed and DRS was use intelligently by mahela

    it was that experience which led to antagonism by india towards DRS.

    so england must ensure ajmaol doesnt get a tem wkt haul here

    but he already has 7 and looks at least to get 3-4 wkts later

  442. #444 by Sentinel Prime on January 17, 2012 - 2:27 PM

    The end of Australia’s dominance in world cricket has seen an era where India and England are invincible at home and vulnerable abroad, where Australia and South Africa are nearly unbeatable at home and competitive abroad, and Pakistan and Sri Lanka are battling for the no 5 spot.

    Wasn’t Test cricket more interesting 5 years ago when Australia would beat everyone anywhere, but cricket was more competitive when they were not playing?

    England and India were not that strong, South Africa could always choke despite an impressive line up.

    5 years later SA are still the same, England and India have improved, Australia have weakened.

  443. #445 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 2:31 PM

    ks

    read my cumment 421 where srinivisan feels australia will be destroyed and so will be england in india

    on today’s evidence, england will struggle in indiia

    South africa to me looks most competitive oversesa

    when was the last series they lost

    anyway, they’ll tour england in july and i guess it would be a series for top spot

    yiur rite; test cricket standard has deteriorated a little

  444. #446 by Raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 2:40 PM

  445. #447 by Sentinel Prime on January 17, 2012 - 3:07 PM

    The changing face of Pakistani cricket

    Andy Bull

    Misbah-ul-Haq, captain

    Misbah became a professional cricketer late in his career, after completing an MBA degree aged 25. He was always considered to be one of the smartest men in the team, but only secured a permanent place when the selectors were looking for someone to take over from Salman Butt. A shrewd and pragmatic captain, the only trouble is that at 37 he may be too old to lead the side for long.

    Saeed Ajmal, bowler

    The off-spinner with a bamboozling doosra has been around for a while, but has blossomed under Misbah’s astute captaincy. He was the leading Test wicket-taker in the world in 2011, with 50 in eight matches at an average of 23. His partnership with the more defensive slow left-armer Abdur Rehman, who took 36 wickets in eight Tests in 2011, has been key to the team’s success.

    Junaid Khan, bowler

    A regular team‑mate of Mohammad Amir’s in junior cricket, Junaid emerged as one of Pakistan’s brightest prospects as the spot-fixing scandal was unfolding. A 22-year-old left-arm fast bowler, he has taken 13 wickets in his first four Tests. Just as Pakistan’s fans were mourning the loss of one great young talent in Amir, they had the consolation of discovering another one in Junaid.

    Mohammad Hafeez, all-rounder

    Another player who has started to thrive since Misbah took control of the team. Hafeez, so inconsistent for so long, scored two centuries in Tests and three in ODIs in 2011. He won 10 man-of-the-match awards in internationals last year. Together with Taufeeq Umar he is part of a stable opening partnership and he also bowls tidy off-spin.

    Subhan Ahmad, COO

    Reluctantly took on the role of the Pakistan Cricket Board’s chief operating officer in October 2010, and has since been the key man in the administration. Has won many admirers in the ICC with his intelligent, low-key approach to tackling the innumerable problems he faces. His diplomacy effectively ensured Ijaz Butt’s disastrous tenure as chairman did not cut off Pakistan from world cricket.

  446. #448 by raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 3:46 PM

    Indian viewres are distruaght with their team and viewership has dropped.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549810.html

  447. #449 by raju reporter on January 17, 2012 - 3:48 PM

    England stiil dont realsie its dubai not brisbane

    Broad’s latest tweet


    Today really reminded me of the 1st day at Brisbane, Ashes 10/11. Similar scores. Ill take 517-1 2nd innings lads… #positivethoughts

  448. #450 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 6:26 AM

    I am not so much interested in watching this match but, woke up after sleeping early so, just saw the scores and PK are 65 for no wicket and both openers are playing well so far.

    1. My question was the same, “why Panesar was not included?” They always do this with him i.e., try without him and when they lose badly or get thrashed then they bring him in the team. You will see in the next match one of the fast bowlers would be dropped and Panesar would be included.

    2. I agree with KS that the pitch is not that difficult………………….. if Prior and Swann can score…………

    There is a snow storm in progress and we may lose the power, so I am posting this incomplete comment and start a new one.

  449. #451 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 6:40 AM

    Seems like a recipe for power outage is on the cookbook and anytime we may lose the power as the wind is very, very strong and the lights are blinking.

    3. Calling Ajmal a chucker is the last thing these losers can do, the ridiculous thing is they are saying he is also hiding his elbow by wearing a full sleeves shirt, what a crap?

    4. LOL@ Misbah getting credit for Ajmal’s performance. What exactly Misbah did? If a bowler performs well, he may get some tips from another bowler also, when two fast bowlers or two spinners bowl in tandem they perform well, like Ajmal and Afridi, Ajmal and Abdul Rahman and, Ajmal and Hafeez, if both are getting wickets, they get inspired by each other or at least one takes the wickets and the other restricts the batsmen from scoring, BUT Misbah? He is neither this nor that and yet he gets credit? What a load of cow manure!

    5. In that famous last over against Hussey the match was very much in Pakistan’s grip with 48 needed in 18 balls. Ajmal gave 12 runs in the 18th over and then Aamir, the champion and so-called next Wasim Akram gave 16 runs in the 19th over. The match was still within Pakistan’s grip when only 1 run was scored on the first ball. But, then Hussey hit 3 sixes. He will haunt Ajmal for the rest of his life.

    Btw, Pakistan are 80 for no loss at the moment and Hafeez is set to score a 50 and then throw away his wicket, he is 43* now.

  450. #452 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 6:49 AM

    See how biased and unfair the cricinfo commentators are, especially they spit venom against Pakistan and WHY?

    “26.1
    Swann to Taufeeq Umar, 2 runs, 84.2 kph

    Swann, Swann will tear you apart…England are certainly hoping he can provide at least something. He will start against the left hander…”

  451. #453 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 6:57 AM

    Reportedly Mohammad Aamir will be released on Feb. 03, 2012 (after completion of 3 months which is only half his sentence) and his ban to play international cricket is 5 years. Obviously, he will get help from the PCB and others in pleading his case through CAS. When the media asked his older brother Mohammad Saleem (24) he said:

    “The family’s feelings towards Amir’s five year ban from cricket stated “He is just a child, he is very naive and innocent and to ban him for five years was a very tough call. He just wanted to play cricket and enjoyed having his picture taken when he was playing cricket. His dream was to play for Pakistan and he would always enjoy seeing his picture in the newspapers and on the internet when he had performed well.”

    Just a CHILD huh? And naive too? Yeah, how true that, money was stuffed through his ENT (ear nose and throat) and he did not know but, he built or bought big KOTHEEs in Lahore. He is not different from Salman Butt and Asif. Reportedly they too have huge properties in Lahore. Where did the money come from? Did the stark brought a bundle and dropped in their village home or God literally tore their house roof and showered wealth or, what?

  452. #454 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 7:25 AM

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=41760&CID=4

    This is Lindsay Lohan a so-called celebrity and not just kids even adults admire her, she has fans and people consider her a role model? See what she did and what she got? These tramps become an instant celebrity and people admire them for them being famous and, are willing to pardon her, forgive her for drunk driving, taking drugs and for stealing jewelry. And what she got? A slap on the wrist and more publicity. If a poor man especially a black man does the same, he would get severe punishment and jailed plus no one would have herd about him. But, here this woman got only 4 hours of jail and she is getting publicity for WHAT?

    Yes, calling a Slut — a Slut is bad so, one can call her a celebrity, a model or an Escort. The more money an escort demands fom a rich businessman the more she is respected as a high-end escort. If she goes out on the street like a poor woman and solicit business she is called a hooker. The difference is in status and the money she demands whereas both are in the same trade. Btw, Gashtee is not same as Slut. The Urdu word Gashtee came from Gashtee Police or Patrol Police and a woman who goes out on the street soliciting business is called Gashtee = Patrolling. So, what is there in a name? People in different cultures and different languages have some words in their names which are either funny or objectionable in other languages.

    I dunno how many of you know about 3 times world skating champion, Irina Slutskaya? There is even a model called Slutsky and personally I have met someone from the far east and her name was Lyn Bitch. One black girl from Africa I met had a name “KaaliKa Bootha” which in Punjabi means the face of a black woman. Laura is a common name for girls in the West but, a bad word in Urdu and Punjabi. So, what’s in a name? It is the intent and the derogatory or respectable manner in which the word is used matters.

  453. #455 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 7:27 AM

    Both openers have scored a fifty each now and the lead is only 80 runs. Time for a break, rather time for a second nap and lucky that there is no power outage …….see you all toms.

  454. #456 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 9:15 AM

    jk

    elabortin on 454

    slut has 3 meanings

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slut

    only one is derogatory and even that says if woman wears skimpy clothes, she may be called a slut

    secondly on this blog ch2 is used w/o any inhibitions

    its a gali and is never used in civilised sittings

    bottomline this blog doesnt adhere to some ethical standards and its more of a man’s forum

    i mean its not meant for children etc to read as some comments here are quite explicit

    so all this slut fuss seems hollow

  455. #457 by Sentinel Prime on January 18, 2012 - 9:37 AM

    RR

    I don’t know why you are revisiting this topic of “slut”.

    This blog is not explicit because, in the past pictures of scantily clad women have been posted but then deleted.

    Abusive language has not been tolerated.

    The everyday use of the word, “Ch2″ like the word, “Fu*k” is not the literal meaning of these words. Ch2 is used to describe someone spineless, stupid etc.

    But the word slut is used to describe a woman who will have frequent sex with many different partners or do it for money.

    Insulting someone’s wits, or intelligence is something different to insulting someone by highlighting their sex life or sexual standards.

  456. #458 by Sentinel Prime on January 18, 2012 - 9:50 AM

    JAK

    Lindsay Lohan is admired because of her talent and sometimes she looks pretty so she is also considered a sex symbol.

    She has been acting in movies since she was a kid.

    She is able to pay fines and deposit monies with court so she does not have to go to prison.

    She is on a rehabilitation programme and she is diagnosed as having a drugs and alcohol addiction.

    I don’t think imprisonment is considered ideal for such offenders- they generally get bail after arrest and are recommended rehabilitation.

    I don’t think calling her a slut is appropriate (in the traditional or everyday sense of the word), more so because she is bisexual and is currently in a relationship with a female.

  457. #459 by Sentinel Prime on January 18, 2012 - 9:58 AM

    RR

    I saw some of the highlights yesterday.

    What Bob Willis was saying was that, the ICC has altered the 15 degree rule in order to accommodate off spinners bowling doosras.

    I think what he was trying to imply was that off spinners can’t bowl doosra unless they bend their arm over the limit.

    England will be heavily criticised for not preparing for doosra and I think Ajmal’s threat about the teesra worked.

  458. #460 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 10:12 AM

    ks

    ch2 is a not a word to be used in civilised setups

    if my son is stupid, i wont call him ch2 or for that matter my nephew

    may be in some house holds its used and in such homes bad women are called randi, dashta etc

    to call someone bewaquf is not the same as calling ch2

    so if you are comfortable with ch2, i dont understand the fuss about slut

    google “lindsay lohan a slut” and you will find all top searches calling her a slut

    i was fed up with veena and i dont want her discussion; rite now there is a confusion regarding usage and implications of the word slut

    this debate harbours around semantics and ethics

    if you look at it from terminolgy perspective; slut is meant to describe antics of a woman

    but if it is some code of conduct, then this is not an ethics blog !

    it discusses cricket, ppolitics, women, current trends and its too liberal ( as you say)

    but if you r implying that verbal or graphic stuff is not allowed, then it seems a policy change has occured about which i wasnt aware.

    but i dont see anything on this thread which suggests something like that

    please remember veena’s antics and slut usage are two separate debates!

  459. #461 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 10:15 AM

    secondly ch2 in essence referes to something very impolite

    sometimes when we say that x tum ch2 ho

    so he replies to kya tum bh****ka ho?

    very obscene, uncivilised and impolite

    i never use it in my house!

  460. #462 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 4:53 PM

    a pathetic performance by pk capt mishap ul haq

    by playing so slow, he allowed pressure to develop.

    although pk have their noses in front, england will still have to bat very well to save the match.

    had mishap played a little quicker, it would have allowed pk to get a lead of 150 by today’s play.

  461. #463 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 5:38 PM

    Raju

    I agree with you about Mishap’s slow and pathetic batting, he scored at a strike rate of 33 and, scored only 52 runs in 154 balls then getting out as soon as he passed the landmark of 50? This is just to show that he scored a bloody fifty. Even the openers strike rate is over 50 and they should have capitalized on that good start. Unfortunately YK, Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq trying to follow the footsteps of Misbah and played slow, got under pressure and got out. Whereas, the openers were playing with ease.

    I also agree that PK still have the upper hand and it is only England who needs to build a huge total in their second innings and bowl very well in the 4th innings to get PK out and win this match, which will be very hard especially when they have to fight the demons in their mind and i.e., Saeed Ajmal who is haunting them at the moment. Like you have said, if they fall for Ajmal in the second innings also, then they will not recover in the next matches too.

    The point is what is Misbah doing? He ruined the tempo of the game and instead of getting a 150-160 runs lead today they have managed to gain only 96 runs lead. It all depends on Teesra Akmal and Umar Gul to launch a few big hits to take the lead over 150. Otherwise a lead of only 100-110 is actually not that great and only Misbah is to blame for this slow strike rate and allowing the pressure to build up.

  462. #464 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 5:43 PM

    OK replace the word slut with “hussy” it means the same, but is not known to many people so, I guess it is OK? But, the Australian cricketer’s name is spelled as Hussey. Only difference is in spelling but, both sounds similar. In England a carpenter is called a Chippy and in Canada it means a hooker.

  463. #465 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 5:48 PM

    KS, jewelry churana is not chori? Uss nay chori ki thee tou Sazaa tou honi chahiyeh how can you release someone on bail especially when there is a chori aur uss per seena zori? Just because someone is rich and famous can get away whereas, ek ghareeb aadmi ko saza milti hai aur jail hoti hai. Baat Manshiyaat aur Daroo hee ki nahee, Nashay ki haalat may gari chalanay per na sirf license vapis liya jaata balkay, fines bhee hotay hain, vo tou vo day rehi hai. Baat dar asal jewelry churanay ki hai, yahan koi fines nahee, seedhi jail hoti hai. Laikin ye ameeron ki duniya hai yahan paisa bolta hai.

  464. #466 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 5:50 PM

    Jk

    its england vs ajmal- simple as that.

    It was ajmal who got 7 wkt in first innings and if england win the battle of wits against him,the other pk bowlers dont look dangerous.

    Pk batting look exposed today. On a flat deck they struggled,so imagine what they will do on juicy tracks.

    Ks you were critical of andersun’s selection but i guess he provd his worth.

  465. #467 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 5:53 PM

    “Déjà vu for Sehwag in Adelaide

    When he came here in 2008, Virender Sehwag had to bat out of his comfort zone to save a Test, and his career. Four years later, the situation isn’t very different, except that he is also captain of a side in disarray

    Sidharth Monga in Adelaide.”

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549914.html

    ONLY INDIAN high profile writers can write such articles, and this is how they put a player under pressure. The first target was Tendulkar, they talked about his 4 centuries in Sydney and in all those innings he was not out and these people were saying, Tendulkar will score his 100th 100 here and now doing the same to Sehwag. I wonder what goes in their head that they write such things?

  466. #468 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2012 - 5:57 PM

    The reason they always include Anderson against PK is because he takes wickets against Pakistan. Never mind 2 wickets so far but, he scares the PK batsmen more than any other English bowlers.

  467. #469 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 6:23 PM

    the thing here worth noting is here is what forced mishap to go into a shell. pk were going fine and there were no demons in the pitch. bowling side knew 150 + would mean curtains. so why become so defensive. it wasnt the treacherous perth track. i feel mishap will now play like this regardless of the opposition or situation. and it will become a buzzword among oppsoing teams and they will strangle and choke him by not letting him score runs.

    So where was all the stability and calmness we were hearing all along?

    at least england fought and got some foot back in the game. they didnt play spinelss cricket like india or moan like srinivisan about alien conditions. they did put opposition under pressure which was good to see. im tired of seeing ONE SIDED MATCHES!

  468. #470 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 6:25 PM

    eventually match hinges now on england’s batsmen . a 150 + score in 4th innings is never easy but they have to get 250ish which means something like 380 odd. very tall order and if england dont get there they will regret their poor outing in 1st innings when they got out for 190.

  469. #471 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 6:28 PM

    jk

    india australia is now as good as a dead contest. an indian upset, tendulkar 100 will be not enough to lighten the spirits.

    i wsonder if sehwag wins the matcxh, will he be permanently entrusted with test captaincy? who knows

  470. #472 by Raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 6:34 PM

    this is david hopps report on cricinfo ( first two paras)

    I dont understand wether hes praising or being cynical

    Misbah-ul-Haq, the captain who has brought discipline back to Pakistan cricket, was not about to forego a perfect opportunity for an attritional day. There was a Test to be won and he was determined to win it slowly. The stadium was virtually empty and he seemed of a mind to empty it further. He might prove to be a wise old bird.

    Misbah is a batsman to slow a heartbeat. He is also a captain to calm a nation. His drip-feed innings enabled Pakistan to negotiate the second new ball, but it did not quite make the match safe. He had plodded to 52 in nearly three-and-a-quarter hours when Graeme Swann won an lbw decision, via the review system, in the penultimate over of the day. It was appropriate that his final shot was a studious defensive push.

    judge for yourself but somehow i feel hopps is being a little naughty ;)

    test to be won but determined to win ot SLOWLY- means could have won quickly.

    he seemed to empty it further- hahaha….!

    didnot quite make the MATCH SAFE!

    appropriate his final shot was a studious defensive push :lol:

    what does hopps exactly mean?

  471. #473 by NewGuy on January 18, 2012 - 6:49 PM

    I think Pakistan is in a decent position. Given they are playing #1 ranked team that thrashed both Australia and India, a lead of close to 100 after Day 2 after bowling out the best batting line up in the world currently is no mean feat.

    Misbah should be credited for the discipline he brought to the team. Ajmal is given the freedom under Misbah and he is handling the spinner well. Misbah also brought forth the idea of bowling with spinners, instead of replying on fast bowlers which was traditionally Pakistan’s strength. But now he just bowls them in short spells. He also brought Hafeez early on, and got a break through. That of marathon run scorer Cook. All of this shows Misbah is no dummy as some of you keep saying. He may not be genius, but he is doing better than any Pakistan captain in last five years.

    His batting was slow, but it was sensible. What is the point of showing bravado and going all swash buckling and getting out for a fast 30 runs, ala Sehwag, it doesn’t benefit team, he built partnerships, with Younus then Adnan. Misbah knows his teams limitations and he is playing according to that.

    Take a look at Indians, they want to score and put bat on ball on every ball, they collapse trying to do that, Misbah is sensible and not flashy. So, he is playing the patient game. It is working out.

    Now, England need bat well in 2nd innings, not impossible given they have very strong top 6 batsmen, plus Prior. But spinners will put pressure, and it will all come down to how well they can play spin, not just off the pitch, but in the mind too.

  472. #474 by raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 8:14 PM

    speaking of Adelaide test, india should primarly focus on a draw as it will be a face saving act. Fab 4 should try to bat like mishaps; maybe tendulkar will get the 100 in that manner ( doesnt matter if it takes 2 days after all its the 100th 100) and Ashwin should also develop some TEESRA or chotha to bamboozle aussies, or as my favorite cummentator would say BAMBOO aussies!

    bakaoz till now its aussies baboozling indians

    Anyway I seriously hope it doesnt become 4-0 as it will be a double combo (8-0); boy thats a lot!

    but jk is rite in saying indian media are the worst enemies of their team.

  473. #475 by raju reporter on January 18, 2012 - 8:28 PM

    well odds fovor pk as for england its mission improbable

    bakaoz in last 20 yrs, england have won omly 1 test after being bowled out for under 200

    but broad feels confident and Hafeez feels pk in drivers seat

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/16615260.stm

  474. #476 by Sentinel Prime on January 18, 2012 - 11:36 PM

    Gambhir stands by Laxman

    India opener Gautam Gambhir says the entire batting line-up, and not just veteran VVS Laxman, should be blamed for their ongoing slump.

    Gambhir said it was up to the specialist batsmen to perform better than they have in the Test series against Australia, where they find themselves down 3-0 with the fourth and final Test in Adelaide to come on January 24.

    ‘Why criticise one person? He (Laxman) has been a legend of the game,’ Gambhir said.

    ‘The top six or the top seven should be criticised equally. We have failed as a unit. So why only about VVS Laxman?’

    ‘He plays one good innings, he’ll be batting with confidence.’

    Gambhir said it should be up to Laxman – and him only – when the right time was to retire from the Test arena.

    ‘There should not be anyone (else) who should be deciding about his retirement. It should be him. The entire team is behind and we will always support him,’ he said.

    ‘Whether it’s media or whether it’s people back home or whether it be ex-cricketers, no-one has any right to force anyone to take retirement. It should be his personal decision.’

  475. #477 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 2:37 AM

    NewGuy

    Praising Misbah and comparing the PK team with Indian team is like comparing Grandmother with Kalashnikov. Either you are trying to be too nice to Pakistanis or, trying to be too critical of Indian team.

    What do you mean by Ajmal is given more freedom under Misbah? You think Younus Khan and Afridi as captains had handcuffed him? Remember that T20 match against Australia where Hussey murdered Ajmal, Afridi trusted him so much that he gave Ajmal the 18th and 20th over. Just because Ajmal bowled badly in those 2 overs doesn’t mean he wasn’t given the freedom? Actually it is an honour for any spinner to bowl the death overs in the smaller version of the game and Afridi gave him that honour, being captain he could have bowled himself but, he didn’t. And, now please don’t say that you were talking about test matches only.

    You have also said, that he brought “Hafeez earlier on” as if this was some kinda new invention? Everyone, including us on this blog have said this before that, it is Afridi who got the best out of Hafeez. Earlier on his career was dwindling like Misbah, “Now you see him now you don’t.” Afridi constantly used him to open the innings as a bowler (not talking as a batsman) and when he got wickets and made early break-through his confidence was high and he started scoring runs also. So, please don’t talk like some Pakistanis who worship the rising sun.

    Take a look at Indians who wanted to put the bat on every ball?????? Do you think Dravid did that? He was bowled, do you think Laxman and Tendulkar did that? NO, it was only in the 2nd innings at Perth Tendulkar poked but on a regular basis it is only Sehwag and Gambhir who did that. Not even Kohli did that.

    Btw, England has seldom played well in the UAE and they are not the same when playing in India and Pakistan. Something always goes wrong with them. A few decades ago, they used to complain of food and cheap curry and used to bring their own microwave oven and their water bottles because they used to say that curry upsets their stomach. As if they don’t eat damn curry in England? You go to the desi restaurants they are full of Goras. So, this is ALL BS, especially now they are complaining Ajmal’s action which according to them he is hiding his elbow under his long sleeve LOL @ the height of whining and winging. If they lose they will cry more.

  476. #478 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 2:40 AM

    Raju

    I think what David Hopps said is enough hint, ‘aqalmand ko ishara kaafi’ ab kya wo Maa Bahen ki gaali dega? He can’t be more discreetly sarcastic than this and these aqalBands understand only when you slap them on their face, they wake up by asking, KYA HOWA?

  477. #479 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 2:46 AM

    KS

    Gambhir has to cover his own Hass, he was pathetic in the first few innings and only scored a sixty plus and a thirty plus so it is obvious that he will try and defend Laxman, bakaoz himself he did nothing. Empty vessels make more sound, just look at Kohli is quiet because his bat has done all the speaking.

    Raju

    I don’t think India can win in Adelaide and Sehwag will replace Dhoni. These are just Qayass Aaraiyaan and nothing more. Secondly I want India to get whitewashed 4-0 so that the change is eminent.

    Like, I also wanted PK to lose so that one can SAY GOOD RIDDANCE to Misbah. But this will not happen because he already has a few wins against the minnows under his belt, haar bhee jaata series tou phir bhee datta rehta, aur jeetnay par tou he will get a license to kill and will remain as captain for life.

  478. #480 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 2:57 AM

    Reporter Raju

    Last night I was talking about the snowstorm and the power outage, lucky for us it did not happen in our area but, last night more than 60,000 households were without power till late evening today. With -24C temp at night and -14C during the day is killing especially with the windchill factor you feel it as -35C and the wind was so strong that it knocked off a few poles and trees. Take a look at the picture taken this morning.

    http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/01/17/li-montrealwinterbetter.jpg

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/Power+outages+roads+hobble+region/6005818/story.html

  479. #481 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 3:05 AM

    KS & Raju

    RAMAN MALAK, the champion Qaari who won a prize for reading Surah Al-Ikhlas at the cabinet meeting, he is the same guy who became The Minister of Interior of Pakistan bakaoz he was a JAIL-MATE of Zardari-Ghaddari said today that, Musharraf will be arrested for sure if and when he lands in Pakistan?

    If there were charges against Musharraf then WHY THE HELLO did the PPP government gave him a GUARD OF HONOUR SEND OFF when he was leaving the country and why are these PPP puppets now calling it ‘a self imposed exile’ of three years?

  480. #482 by NewGuy on January 19, 2012 - 3:55 AM

    JK,

    I don’t know what Afridi did in ODI has to do with Test matches. As we have seen from other teams performances, both formats yield very different results for same teams. Being good at ODI is different from being good at Tests, to state the obvious. Only because you mentioned Afridi and how he used Hafeez and Ajmal, but that was ODI. Test captaincy is very different, Dhoni for instance we find is struggling as Test captain, because all he knows is to choke off opposition for runs with defensive field sets, it doesn’t work in Tests. Afridi gave up Test cricket, he himself came and said he has no patience for it, and quit. So, why bring Afridi. He is not available, and what he may or may not have done is irrelevant to Pakistant, correct? You have to look at present. I am not being nice to Pakistanis or sugar coat anything. Simply looking at, how England came in as #1 ranked team and struggling against #5 ranked Pakistan. Therefore, Misbah as captain has done something right. We cannot simply brush aside captain and say he has no role in this.

    For instance, Misbah could have totally screwed up and not used his spinners wisely, he could have taken the pressure off, set defensive fields, so on .. I think he has good cricketing sense. He may not be a genius, but he is not a dumb captain.

    I recall Ajmal was never given a proper run in Test matches before Misbah’s captaincy. Also, his T20 performance should have no bearing on Test credentials. Anyone can hit sixes in T20, let alone Hussey. But, Ajmal was never given security of place in team before Misbah.

    I think a lot of players are finding their place in team is secure under Misbah and this is allowing them to play with freedom. Misbah is also good at giving credit to other players.

    He may have batted slow, but I still think given how vulnerable Pakistan batting was earlier, they used to collapse for low scores at one time, this is nto a bad idea. He does not want team to collapse trying to go super aggressive.

    Anyway, as I said earlier, lets wait until England series is over before passing verdict on Misbah.

  481. #483 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 5:52 AM

    NewGuy

    In my previous comment addressed to you, in the second paragraph I have mentioned that, “And now please don’t say that you were talking about test matches only.” Because, I knew that you will turn it on to me.

    You have given your own analysis about test matches vis a vis ODI and T20. And, you have said, test captaincy is different, right? But, in Misbah’s case you say he is a good captain for not only tests but for, ODIs and T20s too? He is not dumb he is a genius or “geneass”. His career can be summed up in this expression, “too little too late.”

    IMO, if a player is provided freedom in any international match, his confidence rises, it is a different matter that performance may dip in test if he is good in other formats, but in many cases good players are good players. Until recently Tendulkar was good in all formats, he withdrew himself from T20 at a wrong time when he was out of form and gave room to youngsters. However in the IPL he proved that he can score fast by hitting cricketing shots, plenty of fours and not many sixes and so did Dravid, he too proved that. And, this is a fact that you cannot deny and we all have acknowledged. Only Laxman failed in the IPL and now he is a total failure in test matches too. Sehwag is not so good in T20 but in ODI’s he is very good. So, the performance cannot be compared with freedom. Ajmal was always selected in tests since he started playing. He was not labelled as a T20 bowler or an ODI bowler.

    And why not bring Afridi’s name in this discussion after all he is the one who gelled and groomed a broken team and put them together and created a winning spirit and then, reached to the WC semifinal after 10 years. Ijaz Butt was such a Harami that he would not announce the name of the captain until the last minute, despite that he gelled the team so well. Inzamam and others could not do what Afridi did. In fact Inzamam and Dhoni got booted out in the first round of the 2007 WC. If Dhoni had lost this 2011 WC he would have been axed by now along with 7 consecutive test defeats.

    And, Misbah is among one of those players who along with Malik, Akmal, Rana Naveed etc., who took oath that they will under-perform under Younus Khan’s and Mohammad Yousuf’s captaincy and they did and later revealed this in public, it is all on records. Have you ever heard about such a thing as ganging up against a captain in any country? Wasim Akram, Waqar Younus & Co., under performed while playing under the captaincy of Javed Miandad and got him booted out from captaincy. They used to call him “Kaalia.”

    Salman Butt & Co., at the instigation of that bookie Mazhar Majeed, under-performed when Afridi was captain and they succeeded in booting him off, he resigned in the UK because, he knew what was going on and he knew he could do nothing. Whereas, now those 3 crooks plus the bookie are in jail and the rest of the culprits or gang mates are shitting bricks and they have no choice but, to play well, or else they will be out of the team. Kamran Akmal should not be back in the team. Wahab Riaz’s case is doubtful because of the magic jacket he wore! So, the honesty, sincerity and dedication you see is because of the fear and nothing else.

    Even in this innings against England, only the openers played well, whereas Misbah with his negative tactics ruined the tempo of the match. I will call him a condom player! Bakaoz he wants to play safe all the time. Shouldn’t he be wearing it 24/7 like that sardarji?

  482. #484 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 6:05 AM

    From the total of 288 runs Pakistan scored, 31% of them have been scored of the bowling off Swann, took only 2 wickets so far. And, what was that cricket info guy saying? Swann will tear apart, i.e., when Swann started his first over.

  483. #485 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 6:07 AM

    The downfall has started. GUL is OUT on the last ball of Broad’s first over of the day.

    So far there is a wicket in each over, in the last three overs. Its a very fragile tail.

  484. #486 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 7:30 AM

    a 146 lead for pk

    handy i guess

  485. #487 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 7:39 AM

    lol @ condomn player :lol: double :lol: hahahah…

    array jawed ye ng gulaati baaz hae. semi ke baad is ne misbha ki buraai ki thi issi blog par aur ab tapaaney ke lye condomn ki sana karta hae.

    ye tendulkar ki buraai bardaasht nahi karsakta aur misbha ki side lekar khaar nikaalne ki koshish karta hae.

    tumhe yaad hae jab meri aur ks ki bahas hoi thi to neutral bankar waaz kar raha tha aur kuch din phele mein ney ye kaha ke india tendulkar 11 hae to bhadrak gaya. ajmal ki bowling ka misbha se kya taaluq. agar aisi baat hae to misbha ke paas ashwin ko bhaij do shayd teesra ban jaega ;)

    kya misbha perth aur england mein jeet sakta tha? uae mein jeetna aur eng aus mein jeetna aur baat hae

    dhoni saath match pardes mein hara aur ye gadha apne hi bill mein sher banta hae.

    taareef koi sar par rakhe to samjh mein aaye

    ye mian taareef ke bridge baandh ta hae aur aakhir mein kahta hae mein misbha pe fatwa series ke baad doonga.

    aarraay itni tarreef karli, ab kya verdict dena?

  486. #488 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 8:08 AM

    lunch

    england 16/1

    130 in arrears.

  487. #489 by Sentinel Prime on January 19, 2012 - 10:59 AM

    Pakistan are looking at innings victory. Dream start for them to this series whereas England need to revisit their strategy.

    The looked demoralised today and I won’t give a lot of credit to Gul for the top order wickets because, England just looked disinterested and made half hearted attempts at playing shots. Gul’s bowling was nothing exceptional.

    Misbah is a mediocre batsman and I agree with RR and JAK that his slow batting invited pressure. After the start given by the openers there was no need for Misbah to play this slowly. Akmal can be forgiven for his slow innings because, he played most of that knock under pressure and batting alongside tailenders. But, Misbah came on to bat at the best time for batting when Pakistan looked safe and on course to generate a substantial lead.

    I remember JAK said a few months ago that there is a similarity between Misbah’s and SRT’s batting in that, they play for records and their scores don’t benefit the team. That I feel is only partially correct because, if Tendulkar had played 150 balls his score would have been more than 75 and it would have been an entertaining knock too, because good balls would have been hit to the boundary. What I am trying to say is that whereas Misbah and Tendulkar both don’t benefit the team, Tendulkar’s worst is better than Misbah’s best.

    I am using SRT’s example to highlight what a useless batsman Misbah is.

    If you send a tailender to bat in the middle order and tell him that, he can waste as many balls but he just should not get out, I am sure there will not be much difference between Misbah’s and his batting.

    Newguy

    Under Misbah Pakistan will never score beyond 400 if they want to produce a result in the match. Safety first approach never made any team a top team.

    Misbah’s supporters are happy for Pakistan to play it safe and adopt defensive psyche. But, no team ever reached the top by playing defensively.

    Maybe if Pakistan had Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Saqlain and Afridi as their bowling attack they could be no 1 with this defensive batting strategy.

    Yeah, they might beat England and go to top 4. But, they will be a disaster on England, Australian and South African pitches because their run rate will be slow like how it is now, but wickets will fall more regularly. And their bowling will get slaughtered by Indian batting.

  488. #490 by Sentinel Prime on January 19, 2012 - 11:28 AM

    Younis Khan should have retired 2 years ago.

    His last notable knock was against South Africa in 2010, but he played defensively and got into a partnership with Misbah and drew a match that could be won.

    Pakistan were on a ridiculous 350/3 or something at stumps and they needed 100 more to win.

    What a victory that would have been.

    He is a spent force, after his 300 vs Sri Lanka he lost passion to play for the country and has not looked like a convincing player.

    Way too many inconsistent performances on flat tracks.

  489. #491 by Sentinel Prime on January 19, 2012 - 11:43 AM

    England said that Ajmal is bending his arm to produce the doosra, but what about the off spinner which they haven’t been able to play anyway?

    And what about Gul taking 4 top order wickets under Misbah’s guidance and captaincy? Is Gul tampering with the ball?

  490. #492 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 11:45 AM

    ks

    its 89/7

    england have lost

    and corrct me if im wrong but i sense pk will win series 2-0 or 2-1

    ajmal has got on england batsmen’s nerves

  491. #493 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 11:49 AM

    we are critical of mishap as we feel pk will get beaten on seamy pitches like australia, eng and sa.

    its not rite to compare india’s recent performance with pk

    india has lost 7 tests overses whereas pk has won home tests.

    india is doing better than pk at home.

    i think its sheer injustice to say pk is doing better than india

  492. #494 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 11:56 AM

    michael vaughan on BBC

    BBC Test Match Special’s Michael Vaughan

    “The batting has been embarrassing at times in this Test. The conditions are different to what they’re used to, but they’re number one in the world, they’ve had two three-day games to prepare and they’ve got all the analysts you could want to tell them about the bowlers they’re going to face, and they’ve not adapted at all.

  493. #495 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 12:09 PM

    its not only the fab 4 but strauss is also under the radar

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/story/550105.html

  494. #496 by Sentinel Prime on January 19, 2012 - 12:18 PM

    The fact that Prior, Swann and Trott have managed respectable scores shows that England’s problems are due to lack of preparation and then application.

    Put simply, they did not realise that Ajmal could create such an impact.

    The fate of the series rests on how well they can overcome the Ajmal effect.

    If they can do that the series will be competitive again and I feel England may even gain the upper hand.

  495. #497 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 1:04 PM

    Suddenly the English tail is wagging and they are dealing in sixes and fours after avoiding the follow-on. It is an embarrassing batting and bowling performance from England and now they can go ahead and find excuses. This is not new with Eng. Aus. NZ and SA, they always do, they simply cannot digest a defeat gracefully.

    In this innings Gul destroyed the English top order, it appears like Strauss, Cook and Kevin Pietersen does not exist in the team. They are so off-colour and pathetic.

    Ajmal, Gul, Hafeez and Taufiq have won this match for Pakistan, what role did Misbah played here? Zero……. even IF Ijaz Butt was made captain of this team and under the circumstances. England ALL OUT FOR 160 and Pakistan needs 14 runs to win in even number of overs with TWO days to spare. SHOULD’N’T THE ICC REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DAYS FROM FIVE TO THREE DAYS? It is a waste of time for Pakistan playing against such a pathetic team? :D

    Ajmal got is 10 wickets haul and deserves to be the Man of the Match award.

  496. #498 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 1:05 PM

    ks

    are you implying england will win next 2 tests

    looks very remote to me

  497. #499 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 1:06 PM

    hahaha….

    some hitting by swann and jimmy meant inning defeat was avoided

    still pk need 15 runs to go ONE UP

  498. #500 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 1:08 PM

    haha… lol!

    this is what a fan says on cricinfo; dont bet on pk win

    Noman Aziz: “England can still draw the match if Misbah and Azhar Ali open for Pakistan :)”
    :lol:

  499. #501 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 1:10 PM

    hahaha someone else also has sense of humour ……… read this copy paste from cricinfo:

    Noman Aziz: “England can still draw the match if Misbah and Azhar Ali open for Pakistan :)”
    Ali: “It’s only 15 overs guys. Hold off till tomorrow. It’s weekend tomorrow and I want to go to the stadium and dance!”

  500. #502 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 1:11 PM

    jk

    england self destucted

    look how pietresen holed out

    if swann and priorcan score, then its nothing wrong with pitch or bowling being dangerous

  501. #503 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 1:13 PM

    Raju there will be Special Tabloids out there in London and supayshull zameemay in Pakastan about the English defeat in less than 3 days! I am disappointed not to see Misbah open the innings :(

  502. #504 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 1:18 PM

    now thats sarcasm for you

    BBC Test Match Special’s Michael Vaughan

    “So far, the England bowlers have bowled nicely and the bowlers have batted nicely… it’s the top six they’ll be asking questions about !

  503. #505 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 1:22 PM

    Yeah, I have read Vaughn’s statement. But here they have played two maiden overs in a row. It is only a matter of two fours to seal the deal. Well Hafeez heard me and smashed The Broad for a FOUR…………………. one more needed.

    And THAT’S IT IT IS ALL OVER FOR ENGLAND

  504. #506 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 1:23 PM

    chalo jee

    englund har gaya

    ab mishap ke supporter bhejaa khaegey

    kheera cool!

  505. #507 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 1:24 PM

    Dimgah FeeRai wo bhee Nihari kay sath. :D

  506. #508 by NewGuy on January 19, 2012 - 1:25 PM

    A wonderful win is all but a formality for Pakistan

    I was very pleased to see England bowled out for 160 runs, and almost lost by an innings.

    It shows England #1 ranking is not there to stay, since they cannot win on Asian conditions. Just as Asians find it hard to compete in England / Australia.

    Egg on the face of arrogant English commies like Beefy, Bumble, and all their media who went hyper last year after Ashes and India whitewash.

    Last, but not least very pleased to see Pakistan winning against #1 ranked team, not just minnows. I have been saying lets not pass judgement until they have completed full circle. There are two more Tests to go, however, I always thought the wins were more than just against minnows, they have improved.

    Whether you give credit to Misbah or not, he is going to get it, in my view, he deserves it.

  507. #509 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 1:26 PM

    jk

    ks reckons englund will make a comeback

    i do agree but i dont see them winn ing next 2 tests

    what do u reckon

  508. #510 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 1:27 PM

    lol @507

    im goin see u later!

  509. #511 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 19, 2012 - 1:29 PM

    Raju

    If they play like this, they will lose ALL the other matches, their batsmen played like spineless creatures, mind you Pakistani batsmen played below average stuff and because of Ajmal and Gul’s bowling they succumbed to death and now they will find excuses. And, lol @ the enemy of my enemy is my friend. :D Take care everyone.

  510. #512 by NewGuy on January 19, 2012 - 2:02 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Is your reference enemy of my enemy is my friend comment directed at me?

    I normally don’t try to see innuendos, and my impression is that you talk directly, however, it seems you may have been obliged to give a pat on the back of this obedient puppy for his comment #487 where he wrote to you in Urdu / Hindi thinking I won’t understand.

    Praising Misbah has nothing to do with anything, as I said many times, I am looking at it impassively and find it that he has done a very good job. However, to say that my view is not objective is just a straw-man argument.

    Misbah has done so much, yet, your and KS have been adamant on your views, now that he won against #1 ranked team, it shows the wins were not fluke. What else is needed? Series wins in Aus / Eng / SA? Even when Imran was captain and Wasim, Waqar, Miandad, Inzi played they could not do it, so why now?

    In general, I am finding that the objectivity in this blog has taken a huge dip, you might as well call it an Afridi blog and call it a day.

  511. #513 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 2:31 PM

    Lol @ those who consider it bad to call a stripper a slut yet they call fellow bloggers puppy.

    Excuse me someone here was lecturing that he doesnt indulge in foul mouthedness or name calling.

    Hypocrisy is the order of the day.

    Anyway i call a spade a spade and i dont allow people to lure me into personal stuff, so i wont call a human a dog.

    As george bernard shaw said

    ” i learned never to fight with a pig,because i know ill get dirty and besides he likes it”.

    Continue with ur animal planet show dear,i stay away from muck.

  512. #514 by Raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 5:20 PM

    for the record

    imran beat india in india and england in england

    mishap hasnt done that

    mishap has beaten teams in homeseries which virtually every paki captain has done

    even india will beat england in india so why indians are upset?

    bakaoz its a dream for every team to WIN OVERSEAS

    and mishap’s brand of captaincy will miserably fail in this aspect, he cant even beat india in india!

    so mishap’s captaincy is litmus test for gauging standard of a blog?

    swell!

    when pk was losing home series against any team under any captain

    sorry immi had the potential to beat west indies in west indies when they ruled in 80’s but thanks to poor umpiring it was a drawn series

    mishap doesnt have the potential to beat england or australia or south africa in their backyard- a fact not disputed by his staunchest supporters.

    so if one aspires to see pk win in australia, south africa or england , he shouldnt be faulted for being ambitious!

  513. #515 by raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 8:01 PM

    jk

    superman is coming to pk with a mission

    hehe…… :D

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=41866&CID=1

  514. #516 by raju reporter on January 19, 2012 - 8:11 PM

    jk

    in resdponse to coimment 481 and also to clear suspicions about some covert understanding btw us as if I never disagree with you

    mush shook hands with the devil and devils never keep their word.

    when a person is to be lured into drugs, initially he’s given free.

    when he gets addicted , he gets a kick

    so now mush is gettin the kick. it was naive of him to expect ppp to honor their word and infact he deserves what hes getting. it his fault that he made deals with thugs.

    PS: on second thoughts, I give a damn if anyone questions my integrity. Perhaps we view others the way we are. Its better if one looks in his own yard rather than search for garbage elsewhere.

  515. #517 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 20, 2012 - 3:16 AM

    NewGuy

    If you think that praising Afridi when he is right or our talking about his talents which is truth makes this blog, Afridi blog? If khansahab praises Tendulkar, does it become a Tendulkar blog? We have criticized Afridi so many times for his stupid knee-jerk reactions and you once wrote that our criticism is like a slap on the wrist? And I have responded many times not only to you but, whoever (even on Pakspin) that he is neither my friend nor my relative and I support him when he plays well, because there is no one who entertains more like he does. Also, we criticize him a lot, check out the archives.

    In Pakistan there is regionalism and just because Afridi’s family has settled in Karachi, he became a Karachiite and not a Pathan anymore. Although at home they all speak Pushtu. Had he settled to in Lahore, they would have carried him on their shoulders all the time and worshiped him. Just like they do to Imran Khan —

    In fact Imran’s case is even worst because he claims to be a Pathan and does not know a word of Pushtu. His great grand parents came from North of Afghanistan and settled in Jullunder India and during partition they migrated to Pakistan and settled in Lahore and Mianwali. Imran does not speak a word of Pushtu and yet he is a Pathan? And, a Lahoree too! Whereas a Pathan who migrated from Rampur India or elsewhere in India is not a Pathan in the eyes of so many in Pakistan. So, this regional bias I am sure is beyond your comprehension, you have to live there to understand the biased behaviour and partial treatment, which is very open. So, if you don’t know this you either ask for explanation or if you think you already know then its fine with me. But, to me it appears you are not aware of it as much as some of us are not aware of the jingoism in India.

    I don’t control Raju on what to say or suggest him what not to say or write in English or in Roman Urdu or whatever. If you remember when he started writing on this blog as “tom” I had a little panga with him. He got upset upon that IP address issue and despite my apologies he was raving and ranting and was getting personal. I don’t have that problem with him anymore perhaps he understood me better than I understand him. If you call him a puppy or, even a puppet may not please him.

    As regards that expression of ‘The enemy of my enemy is my friend’, what makes you think I have directed it towards you? I must have used this expression at least a dozen times right here on this blog. There is nothing sinister about it, we have said this when India playing against Australia or England because we wanted the goras to be beaten by them if not by us and a lot of Indians have done that too, i.e., they support Pakistan. Remember Gavaskar in the 1992 WC? When he saw India was out, he was all out for Pakistan.

    NOW PLEASE Check out it was my last comment of the day and I was in a hurry so I could not explain in detail. The way the cricinfo commentators were earlier talking about Swann that he will tear apart, (the Pakistani batting line up) goes to prove the kinda venom they have against Pakistan. Even when Ajmal took 7 wickets one Indian guy said, “only the sixth bowler in history to take five lbw’s in an innings.” If there are neutral umpires why make this achievement look like an issue? Like the English team is whining some of the cricinfo commentators are also whining on PK’s win.

  516. #518 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 20, 2012 - 3:24 AM

    On Misbah’s role as a captain — what exactly has he done as a captain? Winnings have nothing to do with his captaincy. I have written it before that even if Ijaz Butt captains this team, it will win. I have my views, opinions, justifications and my analysis and I don’t want to repeat them. This is the same no.1 team that was beaten and white-washed in India and then India the then no.1 team got white-washed in England and are about to get whitewashed in Australia. So, what is no.1 and who is no.1 ? This ranking system is ALL Bull…. And, I have been saying this since a long time.

    Hum ko Maloom hai Ranking ki haqeeqat Misbah’
    Dil kay khush rekhnay ko ye qayaal accha hai

    Even in this match Misbah’s role is negative — in fact absolutely negative. If you take out Misbah from this equation there would be no impact on this team, they will win. The openers played well, Ajmal and Gul bowled very well and even the AdaaNaan contributed something in the end at a much better strike rate than Mishap.

  517. #519 by NewGuy on January 20, 2012 - 3:45 AM

    JK,

    You wrote so many different things in response, I can’t respond to everything. But, I thought your were responding to Raju’s misguided comment where he said that I am upset about something he said about Tendulkar, therefore I am supporting Misbah in order to get back at him, I don’t want to respond to this because it is so baseless and childish, anyway I thought you were referencing this. If not forget it.

    My other thought is that you and Khansahab keep bringing up Afridi in the context of Test matches, when he himself is not interested, at present Misbah is leading the team well. Few weeks back both of you said the victory was against the minnows, and at that time I said lets wait and see until they play England. Now that they have beaten England, you guys still don’t want to accept Misbah’s role. It is natural then to think there is a lack of objectivity in this. Perhaps we just see things differently, that’s all.

    Almost everyone at this point see positive things about Misbah. Sure he is still being made scapegoat for WC semi loss, even though it was a collective team failure. I also thought he batted slowly at that time, but I never thought he is the reason for the loss. I thought first 260 was a good score to defend, then everyone failed in batting line up. Also Gul gave away far too many runs, so much that Pakistan lost the match in first 15 overs. Yet, everyone see only Misbah innings. This is common.

    Likewise it is now natural that Pakistan is winning Misbah is credited. Why is Dhoni credited for India’s success, and blamed for failures. Anyway, my take is lets see how the entire series plays out, and we will judge Misbah by the time he retire, lets see where he end up and where he takes Pakistan cricket.

    BTW, in terms of stats Misbah has the best win / loss ratio for a Pakistan captain as of now. Imran is way down at #7, he had a large share of drawn matches, as was the case back then.

  518. #520 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 20, 2012 - 4:05 AM

    NewGuy

    In my comment no. 518 I have explained the reason why I don’t rate Misbah as a good captain and I have also mentioned about ranking. IMO this ranking thing is stupid. Also, I think Misbah is not leading from the front, he is defensive to the extent of becoming negative. On a seaming track this team I mean Pakistani batsmen cannot stand, in Dubai it is different the pitches are more suitable for Pakistani batsmen and bowlers. I will not be surprised if Pakistan wins the series here. This team if it beats England in England, Australia in Australia and SA in SA then I will change my opinion……but, again Misbah has to prove his worth as a batsman and not take credit for being a condom captain.

    Mohammad Yousuf, Younus Khan and Afridi when they were captains some of these players and some not in this team were doing their best to under-perform. A deliberate attempt to ruin the career of a captain. They succeeded in getting all three resigning from their post. Younus Khan is not like a real Pathan there is no emotions, there is no aggression he smiling like that laughing cow, even when he drops Tendulkar, he is seen laughing. Yousuf, was disgruntled and frustrated with that bunch who were constantly pestering him and it is obvious now that they did not want him because he was like YK an honest person. In fact all three ie including Afridi are honest and they wanted a corrupt niki Butt.

    Now those days are over, they cannot under perform anymore or they will be kicked out. In any case if you see it the way we see you will perhaps agree. Or, wait until it becomes very very obvious. Again, Misbah is not my friend or my relative NOR my enemy. I always want Pakistan to win. But, Misbah is a negative player it is proved and proved so many times. Like, Shoaib Malik was a selfish player, I used to say his attitude is that of a dog in the manger, in Punjabi they say, “Na khedenge, Na khedenDenge.” Same meaning that, if I can’t play I won’t let you play. Misbah is not like Malik but, he wants to hold his place under his teeth by scoring at least a 50 and if it is a 50 not out then its even better. Team Jaye Bhaar may. It is him first and team second. Whereas, Clarke has proved that it is team first and personal records and achievements come later.

  519. #521 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 8:03 AM

    well the perils of interpretation..!

    one reads a cummment and interprets them, makes judgement bakaoz he considers himself to be Mr know it all and then later on bites his words. thats why i take cumments here on their face value and just take them the way they are bakaoz I hardly know anything about the person who said it.

    thats why hakeem jk ( tum ne majuun khila dya mareez ko) i would never claim that i have understood you, ks or any bloggers here. bakaoz we are communicating here online, we dont know each other ( at least I dont know any of you, may be some of you have greater interaction via email) and finally understanding the other person is not on my agenda.

    the only thing i understand is one’s prefereences for certain players, a little of their tastes and some views. thats it. nothing beyond that. thats why I dont contest statements made about me bakaoz I know the analyser is not equipped for this task. but if someone feels confident he’s welcome.

    what i find baffling is how quickly people get irritated when thier particular player is not considered in the dsame vain the way they see. you talk about control, well isnt that a lame attempt to control ( im not refering to you). so if i dislike mishap or tendulkar for whatever sensible or absurd reasons, should i be personally targeted?

    when the facebook issue of Hazrat Mohammed’s caricatures surfaced, there were 2 groups. one talked about ignoring, the other talked about protest. lord nazir was posed that question and he said some people dont like their father being abused so either they fire back or turn their back. well in case of names attributed to me bakoaz of cricketrers , i give a damn!

    once a saint was called a dog ( kutta). he replied. if i go to heaven then you are a liar but if i go to hell then iam worse than a dog.

    so who is better or who is worse; this aint the forum to judge!

    jk bohot lambi wazahat dey di tum ne nihari kahne ki ;)

    dear celebrities can be rated anyway by their fans

    what you do in your house is a private matter but what a cricketer or politician does privately is not exactly private. thats the price for being famous.

    chalo jee, juma ka khutba band. baaqi maulvi saab deingey. tata!

    PS: jk tum kya abhi tum khandar mein ghoom rahe ho. dimagh mein kaam ki cheezein rakha karo, fuzool cheezein delete kardya karo. maazi mein to bohot kuch hua dear, mitti dalo aur aagey dekho ;)

  520. #522 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 8:09 AM

    shayar ne kya khoob kaha

    yaaade maazi azaab hae Ya Rab

    cheen le mujh sey hafiza mera

    btw immi beat stronger teams than mishappo potymust

    if someone beats australia twice , its better than beating zimbabwe 8 times.

    so immi is the bestttttttttttttttt……….!

  521. #523 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 10:46 AM

    Newguy

    I think you have overreacted slightly and I am disappointed that you feel “this blog” is partisan in supporting Afridi and opposing Misbah.

    I support Afridi for the same reasons I support Tendulkar- I feel that they are both subject to unfair criticism at times and I feel that fans’ pressure is a huge reason why they have not been able to achieve more in their careers.

    So, will you now say that I am biased in favour of Tendulkar?

    Also, what makes “this blog” is the people who contribute to it. Nowadays regular contributors are JAK, RR, you and me, and pro Afridis outweight pro Misbahs by 3-1. Not long ago you had Munir sahab and Abdul so the ratio was more even- 3-3.

    So, I don’t see how you can say that this is a partisan blog.

    If Varun Suri, Pawan or other Indians who wrote in the past like 420, Amit P etc, don’t want to contribute here and defend Tendulkar, that is not the fault of RR or JAK if they criticise SRT.

    If the numbers are against you it does not mean that you try and project that those opposing your view have some kind of political or sinister agenda.

    I don’t like Misbah’s batting, I don’t like Kallis’s batting, I prefer Ponting and Tendulkar as opposed to Lara and Sehwag. These are just my opinions, but it does not mean I have some agenda.

    I don’t like Afridi’s batting a lot too, although its effect is more than what the average of 23 projects.

    Also, the point about Afridi and his lack of interest in Test cricket. Sure, he has stated publicly that he feels he is not right for this format. But, if you watch his interviews where this issue is probed further, he always says that in Tests the selectors were unfair to him and kept dropping him after one or two failures. This is the reason he felt it was better to retire permanently from Tests rather than be dropped again and face disgrace.

    His Test batting average is only 3 runs or so less than Jayasuria’s and his bowling record is better than many so called specialist spinners.

    The reason why he is not interested in Tests is because he fears being dropped again if he does not perform in 2 matches on the trot. Otherwise he has a decent Test record.

  522. #524 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 10:53 AM

    Yousuf prioritises religion over profession:

    Leicestershire decide against Yousuf

    Mohammad Yousuf, the former Pakistan batsman, will not sign for Leicestershire after failing to agree personal terms.

    Yousuf, 37, wanted Leicestershire to allow him time off for the month of Ramazan for him to fast but the county were concerned about losing Yousuf for four of the 16 County Championship matches.

    “We have been in talks for several weeks,” Leicestershire chief executive, Mike Siddal, told the Leicester Mercury. “Unfortunately, a problem arose this week which, between us, we could not solve. We are disappointed and are now looking at other options.”

  523. #525 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 11:15 AM

    ks

    im not pro afridi bakaoz im anti misbha

    misbha or no misbha, afridid or no afridi , my views about both are independent of each other.

    sorry, but mishap is a nothing player- condom player as jk said.

    his batting is pathetic and his captaincy is toxic long term.

    just like indians never focussed on alternates for fab 4 and now find themselves in a hole, i feel same will be case with mishap.

    afridi is perhaps best limited overs player amongst all teams.

    now this doesnt mean that im praising afridi to belittle misbha

    i mean will england beat india in india, so whats the big deal if pk beat them in a home test

    which captain or country is emulating misbha’s leadership model or batting? no one

    auusiiess kicked out katich and are now looking beyond oldies and its paying dividends

    so why not pk looks beyond an oldie good for nothing batsman

    secondly, this blog is not biased vivavis certain players or teams. everybody is allowed to express his views.

    out of sheer frustration one shouldnt lose sight of the fact that other blogs are way too stricttt…!

    i just want to know from misbha supporters why dont they feel confident about his chances in australia or england

    if its ok to win home series, then dhoni is good- why all the furore?

  524. #526 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 11:15 AM

    RR

    I have not read all comments that have been posted this week, but I did notice that you had written something about the “slut vs CH2″ argument.

    The everyday use of the word “slut” is totally sex and shame-related. The common use of “Ch2″ is stupidity related.

    This is the difference between the two terms.

    No one here has written the complete form of “Ch2″- we use this abbreviation or formula or whatever because the sound of the word is not nice. So, we do take care about what needs to be written and what needs to be abbreviated or censored.

    You could have expressed “slut” like “Sl*t” which would not have been ideal but at least it would show that you realise there is a problem with the word.

    Either you think there is a problem or you don’t.

    As for what kind of culture your family has, I was never implying that words like “slut” or “Ch2″ may be common in your family. What I do know is that, normal Pakistani and Indian families would definitely say “Ch2″ with more ease than say words like, “randi, slut, gashtee, call girl” etc when describing people, unless they were referring to actual prostitutes or people working in Heera Mandi etc.

    These words are not used in my family, but I know for a fact my family would be willing to attack someone’s stupidity more readily than attack someone’s sex life or sexual standards.

  525. #527 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 11:19 AM

    I think afridi shouldnt have quitted tests

    in hindsight i feel it was a stupid thing for him to do

    he could have contributed more as an all rounder but perhaps he didnt have the resolve

    maybe he wanted to prolong his career and he felt test cricket is too taxing so he became a little selfish and abandoned tests

    I might be wrong, iam not sure?

  526. #528 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 11:30 AM

    RR

    Since Afridi is a Pathan, his pride and honour is more important than everything else including the country and the team.

    The country is obviously very important, but I don’t have respect for this team that has politicians, fixers and mediocre players.

    I have just checked the stats and in the 27 Tests in Afridi’s career, there have only been 5 Tests where he scored less than 35 runs in the Test and taken less than 2 wickets.

    You might say that if someone scores 35 runs in a Test or takes 2 wickets, they should be kept in the team.

    So, was it justifiable dropping Afridi so many times based on failure in 18.5% of matches only?

  527. #529 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 11:36 AM

    ks

    in our discussions about veena, slut was used by both of us.I can go through archives and show it to you but thats not gist of my omment.

    anyway let me spell out certain things.

    the essence of the argument was to say something derogratory is ok or not. both terms are derogratory, you might argue about relativeness

    secondly, i get the impression and i may be wrong that you feel that I consider all women as immoral or slut or whatever. i hope iam wrong!

    for the record, I dont

    even i know certain women who do display slightly objectionable behaviour but i dont call them names or have doubts over their character.

    you know there are 7 great sins in islam ( gunah kabeera)

    shirk, murder, black magic and maligning a woman’s character.

    so if you call a woman a slut, immoral , cheap , whatever and what i mean is your intent is to question her character or suggest she’s bad charactered, thats the worst slap on her face and thats a big sin- ethically and religiously.

    even if one has doubts over a woman’s character, he has to have strong unshakeable evidence.

    so iam quite careful in this regard and in my circles i do come across ladies who do raise a few eyebrows but i refrain from such stuff.

    now regarding ch2 or sl*t, stupidity is described by variuos terms.

    but short or long form, its not something used in a civilised sitting.

  528. #530 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 11:53 AM

    ks

    i dont about justification but afridi shouldnt have quitted

    its history now

  529. #531 by NewGuy on January 20, 2012 - 2:17 PM

    JK / KS,

    I agree winning outside of Asian conditions means so much to sub-continental teams, however, shouldn’t the other way too be important. I think yes, and for Eng / Aus / SA, it is very important, but they sometimes down play their in ability, while Asians fall for this winning abroad so much. It is important, but it has to be in equal measures.

    Meaning if we are going to judge Ind, Pak, SL on the basis of their win / loss outside Asia, we should also judge Eng / Aus / SA based on their record in Asia.

    As such here are the stats: http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/550154.html

    Only Australia has a good record in recent times. Before that WI had good record when they were dominant. No other team in the history of cricket dominated everywhere.

    Therefore it is too much to ask, unless, a great selection of players present at one era automatically. Pakistan had such a period in the 1990’s, when they won many matches abroad, without dominating like Aus / WI in their prime of course, but in win / loss ration Pak was third to Aus / SA. Similarly India had best win / loss record in last 10 years abroad after Aus / SA. India too had great players in this time.

    That has to be the peak for both team. Australia / West Indies is not going to get back those players. Ind / Pak are not going to get their great players back either.

    Which means team will win more at home and they will tend to lose abroad.

    Ind / Pak / SL will struggle in seaming conditions. Eng / Aus / SA will struggle in spinning conditions. Both sets cannot play other variety. They get bamboozled. Then their media will write stories how great their team is when they win at home.

    Test cricket is so much a beat of home conditions. The only time that was not the case was when great players existed who could transcend such things.

    As for Clarke being no selfish, well to be honest I think he was very tired, it is almost impossible to break Lara’s record of 400. He already batted a full day, and by next day he had no energy left to go on. If he had tried to do that and got out, then the whole Aussie media and crowd would skin him alive. As such he does not have acceptance, but with this act he got their backing. I would say in another situation and time Clarke might do differently.

    I am not ready to join the bandwagon of people praising Clarke, yet. He is just winning at home against a disoriented and stagnating Indian team. Just about every team is doing so at this time.

    I am extremely happy that Pakistan has put England in place. Enjoying all that banter from Ajmal that got them scared about Teesra. They got a taste of their medicine back.

    Misbah, we disagree, I think he has a good cricketing brain. Even Geoff Lawson the former Pak coach said so recently. I know you don’t care about what others said, but we can’t dismiss first hand information like that just because we don’t like it.

  530. #532 by NewGuy on January 20, 2012 - 2:55 PM

    England unproven #1 says Miandad

    Love it. Trust good ‘ol Miandad to shove the knife in .. I used to hate his guts in his playing days, against India. But I like him now better in his retirement. Puts some pressure back on English commies like Beefy, and everyone else going gaga over England’s home wins and Ashes wins.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/current/story/550264.html

    I hope they continue to get bambooed in Dubai .. as Waqar says.

  531. #533 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 3:16 PM

    well andy flower thinks england were not fully prepared

    hmmmm………..

    what about the early prep andy?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/16646896.stm

    england need to play really well bakaoz if they lose 2nd test, i see a greenwash!

  532. #534 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 20, 2012 - 4:40 PM

    Raju

    Your comment number 531 appears like a paradigm shift. You praised Clarke a lot in the past few weeks and now you say you don’t want to join the bandwagon who praise Clarke. Also, you have finally admitted that Misbah has a good cricketing brain? If you say he has good cricketing brain then how come he be negative with his bating tactics and his defensive approach as a batsman as well as a captain? Sochnay ki baat hai.

    About my earlier comment on understanding, it was just btw wali baat hai, and that too in the sense that we aren’t strangers anymore and you understand my dry sense of humour. It is true that no one can understand the other person fully not even your own spouse or your own kids. Except in the case of a few twins who reportedly think alike. But, other than that you only get certain thoughts which are alike, it happened with khansahab and I a few times. May be he is my 20 years younger twin brother whom I’ve lost in a Mela.

    About winning abroad and winning at home, we have discussed this subject on this forum quite a few times and we have similar opinions as you.

  533. #535 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 20, 2012 - 4:52 PM

    NewGuy

    Before finishing (reading) the last line of your comment where you used the word bambooed, it came to my mind, NewGuy???? and then I read, as Waqar says. LOL actually I heard that live, it was Wasim who said that and Waqar concurred it.

    As regards liking or disliking Miandad it has more to do with our culture, we may not agree but, the first thing we do is we see a person how he appears to us i.e., in terms of looks. If he is handsome/good looking then a lot of his follies are ignored and if he is educated and well versed then he becomes an icon or, a role model (I am talking about players and not actors, actresses).

    Miandad’s problem is, he is neither good looking nor educated and whenever he speaks, people don’t get to the essence of what he is saying, they preconceive him as an uncouth blabber. I have met Miandad a few times and I have heard him talking and responding to questions, he is not very articulate, in fact his faux pas are as many as Waqar’s but, there is always some guts and some sense in his comments. Other than his excellent cricketing brain and his exceptional skills as a cricket player, I have also admired his honesty and straightforwardness. He is spotless as compared to others, even Inzi and Mushy who have grown beards now and go on preaching missions their past has a few stories which they may not like to discuss. Anyways, I got to go now.

  534. #536 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 20, 2012 - 4:58 PM

    Raju

    Yes, England came to Dubai earlier not to get acclimatized but, to count the number of floors of Burj Al Khalifa so that if they fail they can jump from there along with Andy. This is all rubbish they always do this. Remember the cheap curry and contaminated water BS they created and brought their own microwave oven and bottled water in India?

    Flintoff talked 6 years later about losing a match in India by saying he was being shot by air-gun pellets while he was fielding in the deep. Why did he keep quiet for 6 years? I am getting late for Jummah, I need to go.

  535. #537 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 5:23 PM

    jk

    are you alright?

    cumment 531 is not mine

    its ng; we r 2 separate individuals or arent we ??????????

    or someone else is ng :lol:

    when did i critiicise clarke or favor mishaps

    it seems you are working a lot or whatever….

    i mean are you Ok?

    you have merged his and my cumments and sort of replied both of us

    check it out dear!

    for my money, clarke is great and i disagree he couldnt score 400

    it was a great act

    mishaps has a good brain, yes the one in nihari fried

    if you remember anthony hopkihs sequel of silence of lambs

    i guess name was hannibal of the movie where he acted with juliaane moore

    he gobbled quite a few brains in that

    if mishaps was there in the movie, it would have been proved he has no brain!

    anyway man take some rest or whatever, you seem a little jaded!

  536. #538 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 5:26 PM

    or may be you were confused by getitin late for jummah

    Inspite of all the euphoria, one still shouldnt discard england so easily

    series reversals have happened

    but looks very unlikely

    i wouldnt bet my money on england

    south africa score 300

  537. #539 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 5:30 PM

    I think england will beat australia in australia with the seam attack they have

    they will struggle in subcontinent

    south africa will draw in subcontinent

    they will have a tough fight in england and australia

    so whoever is no 1 is not complete; a one eyed king

    india, pk wont be able to even draw in these countries wether mishap becomes a bradman or not

  538. #540 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 6:44 PM

    Starc credits Wasim for good show at Perth

    PERTH: Young left-arm quick Mitchell Starc on Saturday said that invaluable tips from legendary Pakistan pacer Wasim Akram has helped him to swing the ball consistently during the ongoing Test match against India.

    ‘‘It was a brief chat. I had the opportunity to catch up with him in Sydney. It was about wrist position to get the ball to swing consistently. I hope to catch up with him again. He is a genius and chatting with him would not do any harm,” Starc who got Sachin Tendulkar leg before with an incoming delivery, told reporters.

    Dismissing someone of Tendulkar’s stature is a memorable experience and Starc is no exception. “To take every wicket is a good feeling but to get the Little Master is a great feeling. Importantly for us, they are four wickets down and we would be pushing to close it out tomorrow.”

    Starc, who also got Gautam Gambhir with a shorter said, that he is unaware whether it was cracks in the pitch that helped in letting the ball fly

  539. #541 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 6:46 PM

    India must drop Laxman, Vinay for two spinners: Jones

    SYDNEY: Former Australian cricketer Dean Jones feels India should drop veteran batsman VVS Laxman and pacer Vinay Kumar to make place for spinners Ravichandran Ashwin and Pragyan Ojha for the fourth and final Test in Adelaide starting Tuesday.

    Jones said Indians have to take risks and rely on the top six batsmen to score runs on a flat batting track. He said India needed to pick five bowlers if they had any chance of taking 20 Australian wickets.

    “If I were India, I would drop Laxman and Vinay Kumar. India will need three quicks, and should look at playing their two spinners Ravichandran Ashwin and Pragyan Ojha in Adelaide,” Jones wrote in his column in the Sydney Morning Herald.

  540. #542 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 6:48 PM

    Credit to Musharraf

    Jamal Jamil, Karachi

    This is with reference to the article, headlined, “The tide is turning…” by Syed Jawaid Iqbal (Pakistan Observer, Jan 18). I agree with the author when he says, “Ironically, Pervez Musharraf in uniform proved to be a far more democratic leader than the elected civilian politicians who preceded him as they never allowed free media discourse on national affairs …”

    It is true that Pervez Musharraf, as president of Pakistan gave freedom to our media. This allowed the media, especially the electronic media, to experience tremendous growth which has benefitted the masses as the people are now well informed and every mis-deed of the present day rulers is exposed to the general public.

    Some of the most explosive scandals have been exposed by the media which involved issues like corruption of billions of rupees to undemocratic and unethical defiance of the orders of the Supreme Court by the present rulers. It is time people gave credit where due and Pervez Musharraf must be recognized for his positive steps.

  541. #543 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 6:55 PM

    Afridi says will give priority to Pakistan over BPL

    Karachi: Pakistan’s star all-rounder Shahid Afridi has given hint that he will represent Pakistan in the upcoming limited-overs series against England rather than Bangladesh Premier League.

    The all-rounder bought by the Dhaka Gladiators for a whopping USD 700,000 at Thursday’s player auction.

    The inaugural Twenty20 tournament, which runs from 9 to 28 February, clashes with the one-dayers in the United Arab Emirates, with the four ODIs and three T20Is running from 13 to 27 February.

    Shahid Afridi said that this was really unfortunately the dates of the league conflict directly with the series against England. So, I have decided to skip the Bangladesh event as national duty is more important.

  542. #544 by Sentinel Prime on January 20, 2012 - 6:58 PM

    Misbah-ul-Haq shuts the ‘loud mouth’ critics up

    Waqar Masood, News Pakistan

    For those who kept on criticising Misbah-ul-Haq throughout last year should now be ashamed of themselves, as the Pakistan skipper has guided his side to a convincing victory over the number one Test side in the world, England.

    Misbah was appointed captain of the Test side after Salman Butt was suspended from cricket due to the spot fixing scandal.

    Younis Khan had refused the offer of leading the side in any format and Shahid Afridi announced retirement from the longest version of the game during the controversial English tour in 2010.

    The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) was out of options and seemed to have no choice but to appoint Misbah as captain of the national Test side.

    This decision was followed by a lot of criticism, but the 37-year-old responded well by levelling a two-match series against South Africa in the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

    Not only did Misbah lead the team well, he scored runs in the series against one of the best bowling attacks. This gave a lot of confidence to him and he went onto win an away series in New Zealand.

    Although the solid right-handed batsman was unable to win the first ever Test series for Pakistan in West Indies, he managed to draw it by 1-1.

    Due to a rift between PCB and Afridi, Misbah got a chance to lead the side in all three formats of the game. He was pretty much impressive, guiding the team to victories against Ireland, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in 2011.

    Despite such an impressive show, the Pakistan skipper was not given any credit and critics claimed that he had only enjoyed success because of playing against weaker opponents.

    Many claimed that the Men in Green will suffer thumping defeats against England in a series, that kicked off with a Test match in Dubai.

    However, Misbah did not bother about the negative remarks and guided the team to a 10-wicket win against the Poms, going one up in the series.

    You do not need to be an expert to judge that Misbah came out with a definite plan against the number one Test side and outfoxed them completely. Even the English commentators admitted that the hosts played exceptionally and were led superbly.

    This performance by Misbah and the Pakistan cricket team is a slap on the face of all critics, who pass baseless remarks on the team’s captain.

    Although the so called analysts will once again find a way to criticise Misbah, one thing is for sure that their loud mouths will be shut for quite some time now.

  543. #545 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 8:10 PM

    Ks/jk

    blog is gettin obese

    time for a new one?

  544. #546 by Raju reporter on January 20, 2012 - 8:19 PM

    Sl need 30 in 5 ovr

    upset?

  545. #547 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 20, 2012 - 10:55 PM

    Raju

    You are right, I was in a hurry and I made an error. Sorry about that, actually I was wondering how come you changed your views about Clarke and Misbah both? :D sometimes we all make mistakes and it was an error on my part.

    Sri Lanka won in the end because of Teesra Parera but, mainly because of a good start from Dilshan and a stable middle order from Chandimal.

    About a new thread, I think Khansahab is working on it, am I right KS? :D

  546. #548 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 21, 2012 - 1:43 AM

    Adnan Akmal took 7 catches behind the wickets in this match and he also scored 61 valuable runs. IMO, he should be given a chance to play in the ODI’s to see how he performs? By not dropping catches he has done a great job which his Kami Bhaiiyaa didn’t, in fact his role was negative and because of his dropping catches, Pakistan lost so many matches.

    In the first innings he took the important catches of
    Cook
    Trott
    Bell

    In the second innings he took the catches of

    Strauss
    Cook
    Trott
    Morgan

    These are all dangerous players and if they had gotten a life, things would have been different. So, give him a chance to play at least ODI.

    kya khayaal hai?

  547. #549 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 21, 2012 - 5:39 AM

    We have a new thread on the blog, please write your comments there, thank you.

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