RELYING ON YOUNG SHOULDERS

The CB series is upon us, and India’s first showing as a batting side has not been impressive at all. In terms of experience India is the weakest side participating in the series. However, India also featured plenty of youngsters in the Twenty20 Cup who actually played most of the part in winning the Cup. Anything can happen in cricket and judging from the morale of the Indian team since the dismal World Cup 2007 and looking at the current crop of talented and exuberant youngsters, it would not be prudent to write off this Indian side.

Youngsters will always impress in the domestic circuit. There is always the question of seeking the right balance between seniors and talented youngsters. One can go on and on about this discussion. There are plenty of problems that can arise by playing juniors. Firstly, the reason why seniors have become seniors is because they have some sort of consistent track record of performing. By discounting a seasoned performer and playing a rookie, an enormous risk is taken. Playing a youngster amongst other things also means that the team balance is ruffled and it also impacts on the team morale.

Is international cricket coming to terms with the notion that youngsters are more suitable to the one day format? On what possible basis can one even think of excluding proven champions like Ganguly and Dravid? Has cricket changed so much in the past ten years or so that showing the door to such great players is considered to be the wise and careful decision?

Perhaps I place the Indian trio of Ganguly, Dravid and Tendulkar on too high a pedestal. Verily, it was youth that won India the Twenty20 Cup. And to be fair to the changing environment of international cricket, ODI cricket is in a transition. Now ODI cricket is much more similar to Twenty20 cricket than Test cricket, especially with the new rules about a no ball resulting in a free hit and changing the condition of the ball after 34 overs so that it can be easier for the batsmen to see and also because a harder ball is easier to smack to the boundary than a softer one.

This tournament will be a very interesting one for India for a variety of reasons. This is a true litmus test for the BCCI and the Indian public to see just how much juice there is in these talented and highly regarded youngsters. After all, there is no bigger and harsher test in world cricket than playing Australia in Australia. India held their own in the Test series- how they grapple with the Aussie might in the ODI series remains to be seen.

My preference for a playing XI is:

Sehwag (good recent form and good record against Australia)
Tendulkar (good record against Australia and India would need his skill at the top)
Gambhir (left hander, good form and generally a good player)
Sharma (good showing in previous matches, can perform at no 4)
Utthapa (has done well in the middle order, can accelerate if needed)
Dhoni (can look after a precarious situation should the need arise)
Kumar (great expectations from him, talented all rounder)
Pathan (good recent bowling and batting form)
Harbhajan (good recent batting form, experience, gets a nod ahead of Chawla)
Sreesanth (fiery bowler, decent pace)
I Sharma (good showing in the Test series, so gets my vote)

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I also wanted to cover Pakistan vs Zimbabwe in this thread but owing to time constraints and also because it is a different discussion, I will cover that topic in the next thread.

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  1. #1 by Samy on February 3, 2008 - 1:16 PM

    The 1st ODI was promising to go right down the wire had rain not intervened. The inexperience of the Indian batting could be clearly seen, but the bowlers did make a match out of it.
    Still, India were a bit lucky to get 2 points, although they can take plenty of positives from this match. Ishant has taken his Test form into one-dayers and Sreesanth is bowling well too, and it’ll be great for him and the team if he bowls well AND keeps his mouth shut.
    Gambhir and R.Sharma batted very well. After Tendulkar’s unfortunate dismissal it looked like India would collapse in a heap, but they played really well in their partnership. But India did collapse after Sharma played that dreadful shot, and I wonder why Uthappa could not have been played ahead of Tiwary in the batting order. Also, why was Tiwary chosen ahead of Raina or Karthik? The move certainly did not work.
    But Dhoni did look like coming back to form despite his slow innings, and Pathan and Bhajji batted well too. So India can take some confidence from the game, and the middle order will look better once Yuvraj comes back. Dravid or Ganguly’s presence would have made a big difference in the final total, but the performances of Gambhir and Sharma were encouraging, especially their running between wickets.
    Lee was excellent today, but the rest of the Aussie bowling isn’t that great. Johnson and Braken are good, but not in the same class as Lee and they can be wayward. So if India and Sri Lanka can see off Lee and put pressure on the other bowlers, Aus might get into trouble (this is where the inexperience of Sharma showed- he tried attacking Lee when he could have gone after Noffke and Hopes).
    For Tuesday’s match, Sri Lanka will be the clear favourites, though if India iron out their flaws, it could be a good match.

  2. #2 by Rohit on February 3, 2008 - 3:36 PM

    there has to be a balance in havin seniors and youth. i think that still having sachin and experience yuvraj and dhoni, doesnt make india an inexperienced side.plus they got sehwag and gambhir who are also experienced.i think australia would have won the match had the rain not intervened but sreesanth’s bowling was a big positive.i agree with the writer’s playing XI- good mix of bowlers and batsmen but maybe i would play raina instead of uthappa cos a left handed batsman in the middle order can be a big plus.

  3. #3 by hamza on February 3, 2008 - 4:53 PM

    i agree with samy about tiwary. sure,raina or karthik should have been chosen ahead of him. i kinda like the smart savviness of this indian side.australia are going in with a strong team and appear clear favourites though.india should consider this a lost cause.they seriously needed ganguly and dravid to compete with aussies, not to mention maybe laxman.one thing good about the indian squad is that there is a few allrounders.pathan,praveen kumar, harbhajan,not to mention sehwag who can bowl a bit.i think rohit sharma can bowl too, but i havent seen him do that yet.

  4. #4 by Rehan Khan on February 3, 2008 - 6:57 PM

    Lee is an excellent bowler,much beta than our guy Shoaib Akhtar.

  5. #5 by hamza on February 3, 2008 - 10:29 PM

    Cricket has definitely changed now.And it will change in the future as well.have you noticed how there are so many new faces coming in the teams these days. now the pink ball may also be used for matches.this will make it easier for batsman to see the ball and more hitting will be seen.i remember reading this article that pink ball is being used in english county matches and it has been a great success.
    cricket is becoming batsman’s game surely.about this CB series, i read yuvraj is in the squad but i think he is injured? otherwise i would expect him to be slotted in a playing XI.he is an asset in limited overs and needs to regain his form.plus his experience will count too as Rohit says.it must be injury,can someone tell me more about this issue?

  6. #6 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 4, 2008 - 3:10 AM

    hamza

    During the Caribbean WC, I wrote something about Pink Cricket balls on a cricket blog and my idea wasn’t very creative or ingenious but it was based after seeing pink and bright yellow golf balls during the night golf games.

    The article was about the future of cricket, and I am copy pasting it for your reading and also for others.

    Quote:

    THE FUTURE OF CRICKET

    FIFTY YEARS from now, I reckon the face of cricket playgrounds, players, outfits, balls, bats, gadgets, rules, everything in short will be changed completely.

    Like the British somersaulting female stalkers of the 60’s and 70’s have disappeared due to tight on ground security, test matches will also be remembered like dinosaurs. Only 50 overs and twenty20 games will be the order of the day.

    There will be more and more commercialism in the game with a lot of on ground entertainment for spectators. Like we have seen “chill off swimming pools” in the Caribbean cricket grounds and “cheer leaders with live bands”, there will be more of such things with plenty of giant plasma screen TV’s on the ground.

    There will HDTV and even 3D technology and precision imaging facilities available for the viewing. The third umpire will have more powers to execute the decision making from inside the stadium.

    Instead of cricket boards, five star hotels will build the cricket stadiums in future.

    The front of the stadium would be the hotel entrance and their rear exterior gardens would open in the cricket ground like stands in the shape of terraces with swimming pools, coffee shops and out door gyms and massage tables etc.

    On their terraces and the grassy slopes leading to the cricket grounds they will have their own hospitality suites and rooms with balconies facing the cricket ground like the view of a golf course from the contemporary luxury hotels.

    Hand made leather cricket balls shall be replaced with machine made synthetic material hard balls that will not absorb moisture or change colour. In golf they use Pink and bright Yellow balls for night golfing, so why not Pink or bright Yellow cricket balls?

    Cricket bats will have more shock absorbing material with layers and coatings of thin titanium and other artificial substances, although the ICC has banned Ponting’s bat with titanium coating but in future they will approve them and will make it legal.

    There will be more than 50 nations playing cricket including China, Japan and Korea and they will be giving tough times to India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka or should I say Australia and South Africa too?

    World Cups would hosted in China, Seoul as well as in the USA. Although it would be hard to please the Americans about the game, but they will go for the commercialism and the fun part just for the enjoyment at the palatial and luxurious environment at the stadiums and also to make money from TV rights and advertisments.

    Players shall be spotted and groomed from their childhood days like, gymnasts in the former USSR and communist countries like, Romania and Poland. And every single player shall be an all-rounder, I think that would be a prerequisite and a must.

    This concept of every player to be an all-rounder is taken from the Volleyball game. In the past volleyball players were categorized as “smashers” or hitters and “boosters” or lifters, (just like cricket, batsmen, slow bowler, fast bowler, spinner etc.) but now in volleyball every single player is as good as the other. So, there won’t be any specialized bowler or batsman all will be all-rounders.

    Acrobatics in fielding will improve so much that it would be a must for every player to be better than Jonty Rhodes. Sprinting between the wickets and in chasing the ball to the boundary will be like watching athletes and sprinters in Olympics.

    There won’t be distinguished fast bowlers but those who will take the lead role would be bowling at a speed of 180 k.m. plus speed.

    Batsmen will aim for a double hundred rather than just a century or a fifty. Wicket keepers have to practice gymnastics and acrobatics more than other players and shall be wearing more springy shoes rather than spikes.

    I can write a book on this subject but, for the time being this is enough.

    Unquote.

    I thought it was imperative to talk about the future of cricket and I will post my comments on the current CB series separately.

  7. #7 by Rehan Khan on February 4, 2008 - 4:54 PM

    What I dont believe is when Malik said, that Nasir Jamshed is the only one who impressed him. What kind of BS is that really. He was only good on his 2 early matches but he again suffered from the same syndrome that has been affected Butt, and all the other openers.I think the blog owner should write something about pakistan-zimbabwe soon.

    i think recently Kapil Dev made a statement that selectors were unfair to Ganguly and Dravid.I couldnt agree more. Definitely this Sharma and Raina could be replaced by Ganguly or Dravid.When you are in Australia you need experience to face their bowling.We shouldnt forget that it was experienced batsmen who made the huge totals against Aussies in the Test series.

    REHAN KHAN

  8. #8 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 4, 2008 - 7:09 PM

    Hear, hear, hear!

    Rehan Khan you are talking sense. Is it not me who was talking about blending youth with experience and NOT making wholesale changes in the team? Anyways, its good to see that you agree from your heart and not just for the sake of ” I am agree. “

    read my comments on cricinfo blog about Nasir Jamshed. Also, my earlier comments on this blog, that I am not impressed by any new comer in particular. Like I said, there is no zing, nothing of that sort which promised a new Wasim Akram or a Waqar Youus. They are just mediocre players.

    I didn’t see the last ODI, as there was no interest left in it and I have not seen Sohail Khan bowling. Some of you guys who have seen him bowling said that he is promising and could bring some hope to the depleted fast bowling attack that Pakistan has at the moment i.e., without Asif and Gul. But, to accept that hope and promise one needs to see him performing and taking wickets, otherwise we have Sami who can bowl and take no wickets.

    On your comments about Sharma and Raina, add Tiwari to that list and no one can deny with the facts that you have quoted about the seniors, recognized, established batsmen who scored against Australia. Dhoni was just a show pony through out. I wonder if that is all due to Padukone syndrome that he lost his focus and Yuvraj is down on his knees like he is performing Puja for her.

    These guys have got too much on their plate and its time they join bollywood and also drag their friend Shoaib Actor to join them so that cricket is clean from bad acting.

  9. #9 by khansahab on February 4, 2008 - 7:20 PM

    I think Javed A Khan’s post about the future of cricket is very insightful. A very entertaining read!

  10. #10 by destiny on February 4, 2008 - 7:49 PM

    da experienced sri lankans will roll over india tomorrow.sri lankans are going wiv a full strength squad.the blog writer says this series is a litmus test for the indians. true, and they will fail this test.it was the biggest mistake to sack ganguly and dravid!!!!

    Love Live Australia

    PEACE

  11. #11 by Arslan Raza on February 4, 2008 - 11:14 PM

    Javed A Khan sahab,

    Sir firstly your comments are extremely well written and insightful. It is nice to see your return on Pakspin.
    I want to talk about the youngsters in the squads. Sir you see I dont think these youngsters in Indian squad are suited to such play. The reason being that India has always produced skilled and subtle technicians. Slogging is not their expertise but these youngsters are expert sloggers.They really need the likes of Ganguly, Dravid and Laxman to work. Their bowling has to contribute obviously.But fielding is the important point too. Anyway my point is that Indian cricket is different to Pakistani cricket where senior players are less reliable.
    For eg if you look at players like Younas Khan, Shahid Afridi, Mohammad Yousuf, you can see their records are not very good on bowling pitches. They are all flat track beasts. I think the youngsters in Pakistani team will help against good teams because their energy and desire to do something big will help them.It is because unfortunately we cant trsut the senior batsman that we have to depend on the young shoulders.

    Meanwhile about seniors in Pakistani bowling, again a problem. Because Shoaib Akhtar, Asif and Gul the three most dangerous bowlers are always injured or out of the team. They cannot be called consistent and depending players because they are not even in the team? For whatever reason! So again we have to depend on youngsters.

    That is the difference between Indian and Pakistani team. Senior bowlers like Zaheer Khan, Pathan and RP Singh have much better fitness record than our bowlers. I dont think there will be much change in the long term performance of our team if youngsters replace seniors.

    Arslan Raza

  12. #12 by awas on February 4, 2008 - 11:15 PM

    My prediction, on one of the blogs, before the test series started was that it would be the experienced four Indian batsmen who will come good once they get used to the conditions after the first test and India would still loose the series. After good showing at Sydney, a 2-1 was honourable defeat if one can say that.

    I agree with two R’s, Rohit and Rehan, about not discarding senior players. There is no substitute for experience especially when playing overseas as was amply shown in the tests. The two big guns Yuvraj and Dhoni failed miserably in tests.

    As Javed A Khan says, these two may have been smitten by…..what’s her name again, the one with a big dimple when she smiles? In any case, as far as Shoaib Actor is concerned, he would do much better in Bollywood than sitting in the dressing room, nursing an injury, in a cricket match.

    Sri Lanka in fact looks a better team on paper than India. Tomorrow’s match could be an interesting contest but the rain gods are playing funny games at the moment. If India keeps drawing every match like this, they would somehow end up in the final.

    Wow, that vision of future cricket was quite thought provoking.

  13. #13 by Az on February 4, 2008 - 11:38 PM

    i lyk ur blog khansaab

  14. #14 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 5, 2008 - 3:06 AM

    Its not that I am against India but I have a feeling that SL will emerge as winners in today’s game. India would be depending heavily on Tendulkar and Sehwag and team winning the toss should bat first. Because, the only way to put the opposition under pressure is to post a big total.

    I think Yuvraj should be tested as he has been nagging that his knee is better now, even with a soar knee he would be better than Manoj Tiwari in any case. If I am in Dhoni’s place I would drop Tiwari and try half fit Yuvraj.

    Also, on SL side, it depends more on Jayasuriya and if SL bats first he will go all out for big shots but if they bat second he won’t be that defensive. So, winning the toss is very important in good weather conditions.

    Although I have mentioned above that SL will emerge winners but more so if SL wins the toss and Jaya goes all out hitting sixes.

    And if India wins the toss and Sehwag goes all out hitting sixes the balance will tilt in their favour. So, batting first and putting a huge total is the key.

    Lets see.

  15. #15 by khansahab on February 5, 2008 - 10:32 AM

    Good total by India in the washed out match. Gambhir again proved why he deserves to be played in India’s top order. Nice to see captain Dhoni’s return to form and Sehwag making a healthy score.

    Although I am guessing Yuvraj’s fans will be somewhat disappointed!

  16. #16 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 5, 2008 - 4:22 PM

    The pitch was good to score 290 -300 runs, the weather forecast at the beginning of the match was good and then came the rain gods for the second time to wash out the game and deprived SL from batting.

    After a good start, India lost 4 quick wickets in succession and were bogged down by Murali earlier. Yuvraj, I thought would do better than Tiwari, but he is still in Padukone’s hole. But, its good to see Dhoni coming out of that hole.
    I think India should recall Saurav Ganguly.

    The Rain Gods gave India some more points which are accumulating in the shape of drops and may turn out to be handy in situations where the entrance to the final would be a decider on points.

    Dhoni promoted himself above the out of form Utthappa and that was a good move to lead from the front. I think they shouldn’t have disturbed the opening pair by bringing in Tendulkar with Sehwag instead they should have continued with Sehwag and Gambhir. Because they are the the future, at least for the next few years as Tendulkar may retire sooner than both of them.

    Sehwag’s straight six off Vaas was simply superb it went 21 rows behind. Earlier he was playing the role of a second fiddle while Tendulkar was accumulating runs with his gentle push and cover drives.

    Yuvraj should have shown some respect towards the calss of Murali instead of flashing the bat and giving an edge to Jayawardene in the slips. And Rohit Sharma was unlucky to be given out like that by Rudy. The ball was miles away from the bat, but he hit his bat on his shoes and Rudy should have taken off his dark glasses before raising his ugly finger up.

    Gautam played a Gambhir innings especially after being dropped by Sangakara, he saw 3 batsmen getting out in front of him so he tried to consolidate his innings with Dhoni before he went off punishing the SL bowlers. Even Dhoni did the same, but Gambhir did it in style.

    Vaas, Murali and Malinga were all punished, and Vaas except for a few good balls with the new ball was totally off colour.

    Dhoni and Gambhir after consolidating the innings put on more than 100 runs in the last 10 overs. It goes to prove the point that when you have wickets in hand, you can challenge bowlers like Murali in the slog overs and thats what Yuvi should learn instead of flashing his bat before even settling down.

  17. #17 by Samir on February 5, 2008 - 9:19 PM

    1 thing the writer missed out was the opening problem. gambhir is an opener and the no 3 slot belongs to dravid who isnt playing obviously.is tendulkar india’s solution to the opening and how long will this problem continue anyway? also it is a strong statement to say dravid and ganguly will not feature in india’s plans anymore. it could have been a great match today if it hasnt been rain affected.

    i will still support dravid and no 3 over any other batsman.

  18. #18 by Rehan Khan on February 5, 2008 - 9:45 PM

    They need to stick with Yuvraj, let him regain form and give him an opportunity. I feel a Yuvraj special is somewhere around the corner.

  19. #19 by Awas on February 5, 2008 - 11:05 PM

    The 2nd ODI has turned out to be a damp squib again but India is definitely creeping towards top of the table. The rains may be proving spoil sport for us cricket fans but they are definitely needed otherwise as the region has suffered contined drought for the last seven years.

    I agree with Rehan Khan that Yuvraj special might just be around the corner!!!

  20. #20 by Tauqeer Malik on February 6, 2008 - 8:06 AM

    i want to congratulate indian planning here. at least they have taken a risk to play juniors instead of tried and tested seniors.but PCB got scared and used the young boys very less.only the golden boy nasir jamshed was tried for the entire series.we should have seen more of khurram, khalid and the pacers.what a pity.

    pcb dont really know how to utilise resources. i am actually going to support the actions of bcci to take a risk and try youngsters against Australia, the no 1 team. hopefully pcb will learn next time.

  21. #21 by Rohit on February 6, 2008 - 8:14 AM

    Samir,

    Yes Dravid is the man for India at no 3, but he isn’t in the squad anymore! So why moan about him?!

  22. #22 by Shahid on February 6, 2008 - 9:03 AM

    Mr Tauqeer, Pakistan is weak team now.What if they chose all youngsters to play Zimbabwe and lost? Better to be safe than sorry. I think this tells you confidence of PCB, they know that there is a chance team might lose if experienced players are not chosen. This is how bad our situation is. Whereas BCCI has got the comfort of knowing that youngsters can perform especially in batting department. I agree with the writer that they shouldnt be underestimated because no one even expected India to win Twenty20 tournament.

    Shahid

  23. #23 by Tauqeer Malik on February 6, 2008 - 10:49 AM

    Shahid,why are you trying to act smart? It’s not Mr Tauqeer dude, it’s “Mr Malik”. Dont try and instruct me. I know what state Pakistan team is in for your info. But I dont think so that playing all youngsters would have made difference because Zimbabwe are a really weak team!

  24. #24 by Tauqeer Malik on February 6, 2008 - 10:54 AM

    Also Mr Shahid I think so you have forgotten this is ODI series, not Twenty20! lol

  25. #25 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 6, 2008 - 6:25 PM

    “Relying on young shoulders”

    Relying on anyone’s shoulder is not a good idea especially if it is a team and, a team succeeds when they gel as a team and play like a team.

    Therefore, I would say:

    Relying on team work!

    Its a fact that youngsters are the future and relying totally on them even before they are matured enough is not a good idea, in fact it is disastrous.

    The birds before they learn to fly are trained how to fly, the animals before they learn how to run fast are protected by their seniors, till they gain enough muscles and strength. There comes a time when the youngsters are ready to lead.

    Ishant Sharma is only 19, I remember the third test match he played against Pakistan in Bangalore in Dec 2007, he was introduced in the team along with seniors like Dravid, Laxman, Kumble, Harbhajan and Ganguly who helped him and guided him when he wasn’t getting any wickets.

    He finally got his first wicket and that was of Faisal Iqbal when the score was close to 280 odd runs and all the seniors came running towards him and congratulated him and talked to him. Sharma got a boost of confidence and then he went off and wiped the tail and grabbed his first 5 wickets.

    That gave him the confidence which he carried with him to Australia and even in the absence of Zaheer Khan, he bowled well against the mighty Australians and troubled Ricky Ponting especially at Gabba. I reckon Tendulkar, Dravid and Kumble were constantly talking to him and guiding him.

    Imagine if there is no experience and only youth then its like a wild horse without a jockey. Therefore, in team work one could rely on each others shoulders and it can’t be total physical, it has to be both physical and mental abilities.

    Pakistan’s fast bowling department is currently going through a bad patch there is youth, there is potential but no experience to guide them, the one who has experience is so full of arrogance and his focus is on acting and movies but not cricket. Its a shame that bowlers who can bowl close to 150 kph are not good enough to take wickets against minnows like Zimbabwe.

    We will talk about the solution to this problem when there will be a new thread on Pakistan’s fast bowling potential.

  26. #26 by Shahid on February 8, 2008 - 12:34 AM

    Mr Malik,

    You are a 10 year old pretending to be older?? Yes?

  27. #27 by khansahab on February 8, 2008 - 12:59 AM

    Dear friends

    Thanks for voting on how the new look of Pakcric appears to you. We are glad to announce that 87% of you liked the look. That is a big relief for Pakcric management because as we stated earlier, this blog is for you and caters for your interests.

    The idea of Pakcric is to keep things simple and provide indepth focus on cricket issues. The management of Pakcric realise that they will not be able to compete with established websites like Cricinfo that have professionals working on them 24/7. So we will not make a stupid mistake by attempting to compete with such a site as we cannot match its resources as far as video links, uninterrupted coverage, live scorecards etc is concerned. We are all full time professionals and are not unemployed that we would be sitting at home all day adding features!

    We do however have seasoned writers whose expertise of cricket and writing finesse is par excellence. We can compete internationally as far as cricketing expertise and writing finesse is concerned! Hence our goal is to become the no 1 cricket BLOG on the net.

    However, Pakcric is nothing without its committed visitors. The management of Pakcric did not expect 45 genuine posts on the first cricket-related thread; we thought we may get only around 10! Your support has given us hope and God willing, your continued support will make us the no 1 blog on the internet soon.

  28. #28 by Tauqeer Malik on February 8, 2008 - 1:15 AM

    No Mr Shahid. Actually I am 39, but you must be 5 year old?

  29. #29 by Az on February 8, 2008 - 1:38 AM

    gr8 article

  30. #30 by khansahab on February 8, 2008 - 1:43 AM

    Az,

    Thanks for the compliment, but in the future, please try to explain WHY you thought the article is good. Please give some points and discuss the matter. Then others can join in the debate and offer opinions.

    Also, the Pakcric management is also human and prone to error in judgements. Hence, please don’t refrain from mentioning anything that you disagree with. Tell us if a point we have made does not seem valid or justifiable to you. Unlike other blogs we encourage expression of disagreement or difference of opinion and if you disagree with something we will not intimidate you and childishly force you to “give in” or “accept defeat” to our argument. For instead, Samir above has hinted that we did not write about the opening problem in the modern Indian line up. Thanks Samir- your criticism is much appreciated!

  31. #31 by amit on February 8, 2008 - 2:22 AM

    khansahab

    i am impressed by ur last comment on this blog in which u have invited us to participate freely. I do agree with you that one needs to express his views freely and add a touch of class to what we want to say.

    i used to read ur comments on pak spin and also that of javed khan and others with a lot of interest and used to enjoy it and thats why when i saw this message on packric i came here and started writing but then u guys started a new blog and then again u started this by saying rebirth of pakcric. what happened? why you guys split?

    to be very honest with you i really don’t like the looks of that other blog which looks so gaudy and also the contents or the text of the thread is not as good as yours.

    so what exactly you and other guys do? u said you are not unemployed i guess no one is but what is your profession and what kind of business are you in? and what about javed khan what does he do? btw, i have seen him writing on pak spin recently and i’ve always found his thoughts very thorough and thought provoking.

    keep it up guys and i will ask some of my friends who write on men in white to come here and contribute. its good to see that u have very impartial views against indians unlike some other places where they are openly attacking us, but i guess its vice versa, anyways thanks again for ur explanation.

    u have my support best wishes.

  32. #32 by khansahab on February 8, 2008 - 9:40 AM

    Amit,

    Thanks a lot for your message.

    Dear all,

    There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding who forms part of Pakcric management. The Pakcric management never stated that Wasim Saqib is part of our site. Neither are we part of his site.

    Yes we did play our fair part in establishing his site, which he could not have done without our help, but unfortunately this is a point he will now deny.

    This is a democratic site which is co managed by three individuals, not one. We want to ensure there are effective checks and balances in place so that no one can dominate or intimidate the other.

  33. #33 by amit. p on February 8, 2008 - 8:23 PM

    Guys why is this ill feeling ab’t other blogs … i can sense the internal prob that leads to having two blogs but its good for us readers to read as many voices as possible 🙂 .. and yeah earlier comment was not from me but from my namesake(such a common name in india).I always love variety .. be it cricket or life 😉

    (now shud i retype the whole para on the other site too 😀 )

    Coming to the serious discussion thats going on here ab’t the blend of youth and experience .. one shud see the real picture of indian cricket. Its always good to go through smooth transition rather haphazard .. but the indian selectors are already a year or so late in bringing youth … though they brought raina and put faith in kaif & yuvi(2006) … except yuvi all failed and that too is comprehensible .. raina was too young to play the role of finisher .. and kaif lacked that class to play out middle overs according to situation .. that lead to couple of series loss just before the WC and then selectors rolled back their decision (the height of stupidness was to bring kumble in odi and they were seriously thinking ab’t bringing laxman back .. both were out of odis for quite a time).

    Until now selectors were searching for rite time to bring youth again .. uthappa is an example but the question is at which position he shud play …. they end up making an opener to a slogger and everybody knows the consistency of a slogger. Considering dravid and ganguly in the team, only one position is available for new batsman (in 7+4 combination too) .. then god knows his batting position and how he will get experience and can handle pressure in match situation.

    This way team can’t find a player but just make excuse for unavailability of talent. Now in indian team 3 regular slots are available for 6 youngsters and all are pushing to get one. Any selected three in playing 11 will get fair amount of responsibility and have to show their substance on regular basis .. i think this is the way to find future players and also rite way to groom them. After a long time, selectors have made a positive move … and more than anybody they are going to be criticized if these youngsters wont perform. But i hope they dont roll back their decision after couple of early defeats. As long as the learning curves of these 6 guys are upward indian cricket future are in safe hands.

    p.s — The value of sachin is never that high as is now … forget ab’t coach and captain and all .. he is the guy who got fair amount of responsibility to guide these youngsters … and if reports are to be believed there is already buzz ab’t “the little master and his 6 young pupils”.

  34. #34 by khansaab ki naani on February 8, 2008 - 9:58 PM

    i am agree

  35. #35 by khansahab on February 8, 2008 - 10:05 PM

    Amit P,

    You are right in saying that Sachin now has the responsibility to guide the young souls in the squad. But do you honestly think that bringing youngsters earlier would have helped?

    Is there much point in trying out a youngster consistently if your senior players are performing so well. That is a distinction between Pakistan and Indian team and I think this point has been touched by one or two of the bloggers previously. In Pakistan they played youngsters too less when the seniors were not performing. I know there is a point in saying that there seems to be no one to take the reins after Dravid, Laxman, Sachin and Ganguly depart but the question always will be, why sideline a senior and give importance to the junior when the senior has been performing consistently?

    Yes against minnow teams you can experiment to an extent but international cricket has become very competitive in the last few years, even though the Indian team has grown in strength.

  36. #36 by Awas on February 8, 2008 - 11:46 PM

    Amit (not the one with the P), its good to see your interest in our set up and the management. As you can see, we are from a mixture of different backgrounds but with one interest in common like you guys. Cricket.

    Not only do we welcome and appreciate your comments, criticism and new ideas, we would also welcome a new thread that you recommend or even write yourself and we will seriously consider posting it.

    Aus really hammered Lankans after two washouts and now head the table. Let’s see who joins them in the finals.

  37. #37 by gufran on February 9, 2008 - 12:25 AM

    khansaab.i wana start my own blog too.plz tell me where you promoted your site as u have got plenty of posts and they are appearing real. not fake.

    thanx

  38. #38 by .................................. on February 9, 2008 - 12:47 AM

    Gufran,

    As a business policy we are sorry we can’t tell you where we advertised Pakcric- there is a conflict of interest situation here.

    But we wish you all the best in whatever you decide to do, and we will contribute on your blog or site if you would like us to.

    Regards

  39. #39 by samy on February 9, 2008 - 5:24 AM

    Sri Lanka were beaten quite comprehensively yesterday despite the pitch suiting their style of play. I feel this was because they could not rotate the strike enough, and this was where the Australian batting was really successful. The Aussies tried to convert 1s into 2s and so on and this got them to a competitive score, while the Lankans wanted to play big shots and got out cheaply in the process.
    So running between the wickets will be an important factor in the CB series and India do have a slight edge over Sri lanka in this aspect. In the 2nd ODI, Gambhir and Dhoni ran hard between the wickets and posted a good total despite losing quick wickets, so the younger players can be useful in the big Australian grounds.
    But experience does matter, and India are missing an experienced batsman in the middle order and this is why there have been collapses. I think the youngsters would be more confident if there was a player like Dravid or Laxman at the other end. I feel they will struggle tomorrow at the MCG amidst the huge crowd, so I predict India might suffer a similar fate as SL, but it will be a good contest between India and Sri lanka.

  40. #40 by amit. p on February 9, 2008 - 6:56 AM

    Khansaab,

    No one is denying the fact that laxman, ganguly, dravid and sachin are hard to replace even its impossible at this point of time. Whoever come to their places will lack 10 15 yrs of experience. Now take the other case as u r pointing … dont replace them and let them play as long as they are performing. Ganguly and dravid are of 35, laxman is of 33 and sachin 34 … how long they can sustain … 1 yr or 2 yrs … now suppose they slip in the form after 2 yrs .. then where will be the indian cricket in the 2011 WC … we will be again bunch of exhausted players .. and just before WC no team try to change their combination.

    Here i am not considering their fielding and running between the wickets just their batting form. In close matches above things matter big time (we have seen in recent concluded series against england and aus .. they needed 30 more runs for fielding compensation). I agree to some extent that team consisting of these players have higher chance to winning CB series .. but CB series is not everything. Lets hope out of remaining 6 matches in CB series, youngsters perform and give us 3 wins. That will be no less feat by any means.

  41. #41 by gufran on February 9, 2008 - 11:17 AM

    evry tide has an ebb and this is a golden period for indian cricket.why hasnt any mentioned how indian team will be when the golden 4 leave?there will be a great big void that needs to be filled.i agree with AMIT P sir, you have hit the nail on the head.

    khansaab thnx 4 offering to contribute on myblog.it will be called GUFRAN’S WORLD and i will be giving you website details very soon.thanks sir,and others in pakcric management.

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