THE NEXT GENERATION……………………..


The Under-19 Cricket World Cup 2008 has commenced in Malaysia and will feature 16 teams. This is a high profile event which will be viewed by thousands of people worldwide. The U-19 Cup, played every two years, provides a key platform for national cricket boards and national public to identify players for the future.

In my view one of the biggest advantages of such a platform is that will help identify mentally strong players, the types who have learned from an early age to not let pressure get to them. This type of tournament will especially benefit players from less developed cricketing nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh because they will get a chance to compete with players from teams like Australia and England who have benefited from a high level of technology in their training as well as top quality coaching. What countries like Pakistan and India are also looking for are players who can play their natural game in foreign conditions, massive stadiums, against players from more privileged and developed backgrounds.

Following is a list of the past U-19 Cup finalists, with the winning team mentioned first, in bold:

1988- Australia vs Pakistan
1998- England vz New Zealand
2000- India vs Sri Lanka
2002- Australia vs South Africa
2004- Pakistan vs West Indies
2006- Pakistan vs India

Many players who featured in an U-19 Cup have gone on to become superstars in the international arena. Brian Lara, Sanath Jayasuria, Chris Gayle etc are all high profile players who started from the U-19 Cup. From Pakistan and India’s point of view, the following players played in the U-19 Cup and went on to become international superstars:

Inzamam, Mushtaq Ahmed, Harbhajan, Sehwag, Kaneria, Razzaq, Yuvraj, Malik, Kaif etc.

The key players that feature in India and Pakistan’s squads at present are:

INDIA
1) Virat Kohli– attacking right handed batsman, highly respected player with a cool head
2) Ravindra Jadeja– left handed all rounder who scored a 50 on his first class debut
3) Perry Goyal– highly regarded wicketkeeper who was also once touted to play for the national team, when Dhoni was not discovered
4) Iqbal Abdulla– highly regarded left handed all rounder who was also once reported to have impressed BCCI for an international assignment

PAKISTAN
1) Imad Wasim– Welsh born left handed all rounder who is the captain of the team
2) Ahmad Shahzad– attacking top order batsman, right handed
3) Umer Akmal– right handed batsman, younger brother of disgraced wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal, and averages 78 currently in first class cricket
4) Ali Asad– an admirer of Sourav Ganguly, Asad is an attacking wicket keeper batsman who has been knocking on the doors of international selection for some time

Pakistan and India are not scheduled to play in the preliminary matches, but may well contest in the quarter finals. Both of these teams contain some very talented cricketers who may represent their country in Test cricket, in the not too distant future. Pakistan have won the last two Cups and will look to carry the same momentum this Cup as well.

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  1. #1 by .................................. on February 16, 2008 - 1:15 PM

    Samy,

    This thread is dedicated to you my friend, because you requested CJ management to write about U-19.

    Covering U-19 was not in our plans but we are glad to serve our loyal visitors in any way we can!

    [Except giving trade secrets out such as where we publicised our blog which got us the impressive response :)]

  2. #2 by hamza on February 16, 2008 - 2:46 PM

    i think pakistan may have a good chance of winning this time round too. there are some exciting players like umar amin shahzeb ahmed. i also think along the same lines as the writer because this is an international level tournament.

    but it is sad to see that pakistan under 19 heroes are not being given good chances.

  3. #3 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 16, 2008 - 3:15 PM

    UNDER – 19 WORLD CUP CRICKET

    It is indeed good to talk about the future generation and at the same time it also important to look back two decades ago when this feature came into prominence i.e., the 1988 “Under-19 WC” and a few of the great names like, Brian Lara, Inzamam Ul Haq, Sanath Jayasuriya and Nasser Hussain etc., have emerged from that stage.

    The point to note for Pakistan team is, they have won this cup more times than other countries, yet there is no player like Inzamam in their current side and, what could be the reason? I have thought about it and came up with a few plausible thoughts. The analogy that I am going to use here is perhaps a little nearer to what reality is. Once again, this is my own hypothesis and my own synthesis after seeing the fate of these young players. And I have a message for them.

    Some players are luckier than others, some are victimized due to regionalism, jingoism and owing to the quota basis or due to personal likes and dislikes and some due to their own stupidities. Playing at the international level for the national side is definitely an honour for them and for the country as well. And how many of the club level cricketers have achieve this honour?

    This can best be described with the following example. Most young people come out in their professional lives into the real world as, high school drop outs and, even a few successful ones also follow that path of choosing a job by selecting different fields and thats the end of their academic career. A smaller percentage of the successful high school graduates go to the university.

    Some of them after their graduation go for white collar jobs whereas, a few of those graduates pursue their career in post graduation i.e., to refine and hone their skills and capabilities and to become Masters or to go into specialization at the highest level. One example that I would like to quote here is that of an Astronaut.

    How many people like to become Astronauts? The original Astronaut started out be being trained as a pilot. When he become a test pilot, he was already at the frontiers of knowledge in his field. So on one could teach him to become an Astronaut. He had to do it himself with his team.

    The thing that they do is, the make promises to themselves to be better than what they have been by saying, “I have to be a better me.” And that is the KEY —— no one teaches these people, they teach themselves. No one shows them the light, they are the Light, they are the Source. They show others the way.

    Others went to the same school as they. Others had the same teachers as they. The difference was that after they graduated they didn’t think my education is over and, I have nothing more to learn.

    They only took their graduation as an entry into the realm of self education. They can take help from others where they need to learn something specific, but no one is directing their every step. They are the PIONEERS. No spoon feeding is possible for no one has ever reached the level they aspire for.

    Similarly, in cricket, when these players come out in flying colours after winning the Under – 19 WC they have to work hard like the Astronaut and, not just to enter into the arena of the national side. But, in every single match they play they have to make a promise to themselves that they want to be “The Astronaut” i.e., another Brain Lara, another Inzamam ul Haq, another Jayasuriya and likes.

    They have to perform consistently and intelligently. Neither of Lara nor Inzi achieved a Master’s degree from any university but, they were not only intelligent but a genius in their own field.

    Maestros like, Sachin Tendulkar and Javed Miandad haven’t gone through this process of playing for the Under-19 WC, yet they reached to the highest level of professionalism due to sheer determination and persistence, the experience they gained during this process made them wiser and wiser by the day. They may have had the talent from their childhood but, how many more Tendulkars and Miandads may have been produced if they had followed the right path and remained consistent.

    What is the reason of the failure of these players? Like I have said, some are unlucky and seldom get a chance to be a part of their national team. But, those who are lucky to have been in the side performed well but did not perform consistently over a sustainable period of time. In some cases, its lethargy and lack of patience and endurance and, in some cases too much praise and financial gains from sponsors must have ruined their brains and their cricketing career.

    I do not wish to make my comments look purely academic, but I have taken this opportunity to express my views freely here at CJ as there is no other cricket blog where your hands are not tied or censorship is not applied. Therefore, I would suggest all the cricket lovers to come and express freely and openly. More to follow from my keyboard, but for now c’est suffice!

  4. #4 by samy on February 16, 2008 - 3:33 PM

    I’m glad there was a thread on this tournament. I feel this competition will be interesting, since there is no overwhelmingly dominant team here, unlike in the senior group, where Aus have won almost all major tournaments in recent times. Pakistan have always been a very strong team, but I think all teams have a good chance, even teams like Malaysia and Papua New Guinea can be very competitive.
    For India, I think Pradeep Sangwan could be a very important player. He is a promising fast-bowler and was one of the main reasons why Delhi won the Ranji Trophy this year. The captain Virat Kohli, Iqbal Abdulla and Tanmay Srivastava would be the other main players.

  5. #5 by Rehan Khan on February 16, 2008 - 3:57 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Excellent post by you man. I agree with everything that you said. Once a cricketer is out on the field his self belief is the best educator and guide. In fact I was reading Wasim Bari’s interview recently and he said the same thing- you reach fame and glory from within and external influences dont really help you.

    Miandad is example of this genius which is acquired from a young age. No one helped him but he was above everything else, most of his career was spent with his contemporaries hating him and plotting against him, but it was his self belief and genius that kept him going. He is still not respected the way he should be by most Pakistanis.

    Let me tell you about Tendulkar, he is also a genius but a different type of genius. Unlike Miandad Tendulkar always had support of his team and always got undue respect from his colleagues. But he is one of the most mentally strong players, there were so many hurdles in his career. From what I remember he heard of his father’s death and immediately had to play a match, but the way he played,surprised everyone and it was one of the best knocks he played with complete mastery and domination.

    But you know, the issue of captaincy is different. you can be a genius batsman like Tendulkar but he turned out to be a poor captain. That is why they say leadership skills and charisma is something inbred, you cant learn that. On the other hand while Miandad was a shrewd captain he never got support of his players. But Miandad had a good brain, he wasnt educated and charismatic which is why he is not considered to be Pakistan’s best captain.

    I also like posting here on this blog knowing that my comment will be approved easily.

  6. #6 by khansahab on February 16, 2008 - 4:18 PM

    Samy,

    You have made a very precise point about the level of competition. There is indeed no clear winner and the “minnow” teams here can also compete strongly.

    I have read a bit about Pradeep Sangwan. He does appear to be a very interesting prospect. He took a 5 wicket haul in one of the major games didn’t he? He is a huge Wasim Akram fan and I think he has taken tips from Wasim Akram as well.

    I am really looking forward to see how India and Pakistan fare in this Cup because both teams have some excellent, in form players. We also have to be mindful of the fact that players who show outstanding performances can be slotted into the international squad as well.

    Great posts by Javed A Khan and Rehan Khan by the way.

  7. #7 by khansahab on February 16, 2008 - 4:26 PM

    India and Australia go head to head tomorrow. I think Australia will be hurt by Lee’s absence but it is a rest which he needs and deserves. He has been the main bowler for Australia and Ponting can’t ask any more of him.

    To me that chances appear 50-50 because although Australia is stronger on paper, its bowling will definitely be affected by Lee’s absence. India is high on confidence despite the recent loss to Sri Lanka, and despite Australia’s victory over the Sri Lankans, they are a hurt side. For the first time they appear inconsistent and mentally weak in a long while.

    I predict an enthralling contest.

  8. #8 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 16, 2008 - 5:21 PM

    Sri Lankans might feel that the Australians are favouring the Indians by bending a bit towards them by giving rest to Bret Lee. I won’t blame the Sri Lankans if they think like that. Because, Bret Lee is one man who can make a difference in the team with his accurate and express bowling.

    Having said that, the rest of the Australian fast bowlers like, Johnson, Bracken and Stuart Clarke are equally as good and as lethal as Lee, but it is the experience and the Lee factors which makes the difference. Also, there is a possibility of MJ Clarke taking some rest owing to the Malinga bouncer straight into his ribs.

    Clarke is no doubt a superman among the Australian kids who displayed a poster inquiring, “Is Michael Clarke a Super man?” He is a great fielder, a useful bowler and a very good batsman, especially when Australia needs one he is there. Ricky Ponting for once in this whole series has not scored well, either he is totally out of form or is it the Ishant Sharma syndrome?

    If Lee and Clarke not playing then the match is evenly poised and I give a 50-50 chance for both teams.

    Yuvraj ought to score and play like he used to play otherwise, he will be out of the team for a good long time. And, the chances are he might once again go into Padukone’s hole i.e., if he fails.

    On the other front, finally England has done something to keep the interest alive and Collingwood did the rest. But, what a player this guy Jacob Oram is, he is another good entertainer especially when he is on song.

    I am waiting for the match between India and Australia.

  9. #9 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 16, 2008 - 6:11 PM

    The point that I have tried to make in my earlier post about the young cricket players who play the under -19 WC and then disappear into oblivion with the exception of one or two individuals who reach to the highest level. I would like to add a few more points to that thought, which I had earlier typed in a haste and that was, even before I took a sip from my early morning tea. Now, that I have had a good breakfast and a second cup and before I start my day, I feel more inclined to add a few more points on the subject. Because, the thoughts are pouring in and needs to be expressed.

    The game of cricket involves team work, any game which involves team work, involves the negation of self to achieve the goals of the totality. Now, there are winning teams like the current Australian team and there are losing teams like the current England team. How do we make an ordinary team into a winning team? We are not talking here of amateur school teams, we are talking about the real pros, the teams par excellence. The teams that possess the youth and exuberance, we are talking about the under-19 teams which ultimately produces the best professional cricket players of the world.

    I don’t like formula – 1 races, but sometime back I saw a film about Grand Prix Racing. This film was a revelation because, it didn’t show the cars going around the race track with a few close-ups of the winner at the end splashing the Champagne bottle all over. Instead it concentrated on the team work which makes it all possible. It is not the driver only who is skilled and capable of maneuvering the car on the race tracks but, behind him the team of skillful and professional mechanics play a vital role in changing the wheels or parts and simultaneously refueling the car in just a few seconds to keep the driver in the lead. The winner is not just the driver, the winner is really the team.

    What is it that keeps everyone so involved, so committed ? It is the realization by each member of his own importance to the team. Each has heightened sense of responsibility to the team. He knows a very simple error can mean the difference between life and death. Other drivers pass the same test to get their drivers licenses. Other mechanics and engineers learn the same principles about maintaining cars. Then why do we see so many death traps on wheels along our roads? The difference is in the Commitment to Excellence.

    Each member of a Grand Prix Team has achieved an excellence at his job which is so much better than anything others can do that it is considered unjudgable by their standards. And aside from that, even despite being the BEST, each puts the interest of the TEAM before his own. He works on achieving a Quality of Relationship with the team which enables them to function as one harmonious whole. So, Individual Excellence and Collective Rapport is the Right Chemistry for the Winning Team:

    Individual Excellence + Collective Rapport = Winning Team

    One might say that the example in the Grand Prix Team have a special relationship and that it can’t be done so well with more people involved. Lets take the example of a team that is perhaps the biggest team on Earth. In a Space Programme there are literally thousands of workers each of whom is the creme de la creme of people in his own field.

    In my previous comment on the subject I have given the example of an Astronaut and I said, that when he become a test pilot he was already at the frontiers of knowledge in his field. The same is true of every designer, engineer, systems analyst or even the cleaner on that team – The Space Programme Team at the NASA.

    Each of them has a pride in his own job. Each feels ‘ I am important right here where I am. I don’t have to be an Astronaut to prove myself, I have to be a better me. Now that objective or the goal in terms of Quality — Quality required personally and Quality required for a team — needs to be assessed and see where they stand and to see and assess the degree of competence as an individual and as a team. And find an answer from within. The most optimistic answer would be, the achievement is, ‘only fragmentarily.’

    Therefore, the important aspect for these young players is to change their attitude before anything else. And the question is how to change and when? Does this mean change right now and all at once? No .. of course, not. The real way is to start NOW …. and persevere. Can anyone reach the farthest mountain in one gigantic leap? But take the first step and then the next and be committed to the last. You can and will get there. So the key is —- STEP BY STEP.

    When we try to quantify our qualities and our capabilities, we are not trying to prove anything to others. It is an exercise in self awareness and self organization. A player is a part of the team’s assets. As an individual and as a team member, he is the sum total of his true capabilities and as such must show results … in terms of achieving the team goals which is the bottom line i.e., the proof of being a better professional and that, as a TEAM they have gelled and created the right chemistry to become a winning team.

    So what is the first step? The first step is the changing of attitude and to identify individual strength and team strength, then they can say they are on their way…with this attitude of self belief, determination, perseverance and with the step by step approach commitment towards self and for the team towards achieving excellence will become not a question of “I. Q.” but of ” I CAN”.

  10. #10 by samy on February 16, 2008 - 11:09 PM

    I feel Aus have a better chance of winning tomorrow’s match, as all their bowlers have been in top form in the CB series and the bowling attack looks strong even without Lee. Also, Ponting is due for a big knock and it could happen tomorrow, at the home ground of The Don.
    For India, it will be important that Sehwag (if he is fit) and Yuvraj fire, especially if they are going with 5 bowlers. The bowlers would be a bit low on confidence after the Canberra match but I hope they realize that international cricket is not easy and their true worth will be known by how well they can bounce back from the thrashing.

    Javed A Khan, good posts.

  11. #11 by Awas on February 17, 2008 - 12:09 AM

    Javed A Khan and Rehan Khan

    You both have expressed some excellent view and have been spot on in your assessment of Tendulkar and Minadad. Former a gentlemanly personality other than a great talent of course and later a shrewd street fighter with nerves of steel when it came to playing cricket. There is no equal to both of them.

    I must admit, my knowledge of who is who at the under 19 scene is basically zero. I am however aware that some of these players would be the future stars of their countries. It will be interesting to watch some games when the show starts.

    Pakistan has been in the finals three times, winning twice. Australia and India have both reached finals twice. So, the weight of future talent is in the subcontinent definitely. But the irony is talent alone is not a recipe for success. Mental toughness and desire to succeed also go hand in hand and that is where Australia leads. Once you have talent and mental strength then the team building work starts that Javed A Khan has expressed so well and it’s difficult to add more to it.

  12. #12 by Rohit on February 17, 2008 - 10:00 AM

    i think definitely indian team is like pakistani team of 1990s. like the bowling attack was very good and then the batting wasnt very stable. for eg nowadays dhoni and lower order batsmen like kumble and bhajji have to score a lot of runs. this is like how wasim akram, moin khan, razzaq etc had to score runs frequently. strange how tables have turned. who thought 5 years ago that there would be a time when indian bowling would be more reliable than batting?

  13. #13 by Rehan Khan on February 17, 2008 - 10:57 AM

    Disappointing game by India and well done to Australia. I still dont think Australia is giving their 100% but thats how they have been playing for the past year or so. in the end Lee’s absence didnt hurt them that much because bracken, johnson did fine bowling. I heard Michael slater say that now indian selectors have to do some hard thinking, they gotta decide if a bowler has to be dropped, or a non performing batsmen. i think that the time has come to drop yuvraj singh and go with a different batsman maybe some young gun. indian bowling gets my full marks and very well done to IK Pathan for a marvellous bowling performance.

  14. #14 by Awas on February 17, 2008 - 11:00 AM

    The Indian bowlers did well again to restrict Australia at 203 and the match was in the bag for India at 134-5. How they lost from that position at 153 all out is quite pathetic really. That is 6 wickets for about 19 runs. This is more like Pakistani disease that India seems to be catching somehow.

  15. #15 by Rehan Khan on February 17, 2008 - 11:04 AM

    Excellent batting by MJ Clarke, or PUP. What a great player this guy is. being one of the few players who is equally good in ODI and Tests, can bowl useful spin, he is a partnership breaker and he can also field brilliantly. he is a dream cricketer and i think future captain for Australia. Everyone in Australia is pretty much a match winner but he is better than most of them.

    Ponting’s form is worrying because I have hardly seen him fail so many times in a row. I wonder what the problem is. recently Gilly has said that captaincy is too much pressure for Ponting and this is hurting his batting confidence. Maybe it is something to do with Australia being a vulnerable team after Mcgrath and Warne left. Soon Hayden and Gilly will leave too, Australia will surely be affected. I think that will be really good for international cricket.

  16. #16 by samy on February 17, 2008 - 12:52 PM

    It was a very poor batting performance by India today. Most of the batsmen got out playing rash shots that weren’t really needed at that stage. All India needed was a mature head who could stay there till the end. Sadly, R.Sharma, Gambhir or Yuvraj could not play that role. Only Dhoni looked composed and his run out was the turning point of the match, IMO. The Indian bowlers bowled in the right areas, but they lost steam at the end, when Clarke and Hogg were building their partnership. Sending Pathan out to open was a bit unnecessary since there already were 2 other openers in the XI. Pathan would have been more useful as a counter-attacking batsman in the lower-middle order. I also wonder they had to choose Munaf. Even though Munaf is a good bowler, he is a pathetic fielder and he cannot bat. He also lacks the intensity needed while playing against a team like Aus. I feel playing an all-round option like Chawla or P.Kumar will suit India better, at least in the one-day format. The next match against SL will be very exciting since both teams would want to win to stay in the tournament.
    However, the Aussies s were quite superb today. Clarke and Hogg’s partnership brought Aus to a good total and the Aussie bowlers did the rest. Their fielding was simply brilliant. Teams like Aus, SA, NZ have always been good fielding sides and that is why they are more consistent than the talented sub-continent teams.
    On the positive side, India beat Papua New Guinea convincingly in the U-19 WC.

  17. #17 by ahmed11 on February 17, 2008 - 5:26 PM

    good first outing for both pakistan and india U-19 teams. these 2 teams will go far in the tournament.
    i agree with samy in his analysis of the match. india played some silly shots today. its frustrating to not go on and win after such a good bowling performance.

    its a strange question whether to play all rounder instead of munaf. i dont know whether praveen kumar will be able to bowl as well as munaf. this is not to say munaf is good and praveen can’t bowl, but he experienced enough and developed enough to play australia.

    well i guess a chance will have to be given to kumar or chawla- no point in having youngsters if you dont play them. now the next games are crucial and its interesting to see how the indian selectors behave.

  18. #18 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 18, 2008 - 2:38 PM

    Actually the Indians bowled very well in the last ODI against Australia to restrict them at a paltry 200 odd runs.

    But, it is their inexperienced and erratic batting line up that needs to reassess their attitude. If their batsmen play with the same attitude against SL in tonight’s match, then its all over for India they will have to pack their bags and go home.

    Gambhir was playing well before throwing away his wicket and Tendulkar was subdued through out those initial 3-4 overs and the first ball that touched his bat flew past the slips cordon and leaving Hayden and Gilly perplexed about who should have got it? Three balls later he was given out LBW.

    A decision, from my point of view was 50-50 and the benefit of doubt always goes to the batsman. But it appeared that the umpire was keen to compensate for that dolly chance which Tendulkar offered two balls earlier and he raised his finger in a haste. Although the ball was in line and it also hit on the knee roll but, the Hawk eye suggested that the ball was way above the stumps.

    The commentators argue that the hawk eye’s trajectory is mere guidelines and not a definite path, and the ball “may” have traveled in that path or at that height. But, the umpire’s decision is final. Obviously it is final and who denied that. However, Tendulkar stood there for a while and shook his head in dismay and was not happy when he was leaving the ground.

    The irony is, Rohit Sharma a youngster was penalized for similar action and Yuvraj Singh was pardoned for the same offense, although both Tendulkar and Yuvraj stood for a longer time than Rohit, but he was the only one fined. Why do they have two different set of rules? One for a superstar and one for the other. In fact there are three set of rules, the third one is for Pakistanis.

    No matter what they do, especially Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Akhtar, the referees go after them. Even poor Inzi was banned for 2 test matches for clenching his fist when a straightforward catch of Sehwag taken by the wicketkeeper 3 years ago in Bangalore was denied by the umpire.

    About the under 19 WC matches. So far all the matches have been one sided but, SA, Australia, India and Pakistan appear to be the favourite teams for the semis but, lets see who will surprise us.

  19. #19 by Rohit on February 18, 2008 - 8:43 PM

    khansaab (or cj management),this thread hasnt excited a lot of us because we dont know a lot about this area of U-19.its good you made this thread because of Samy, but you can see not many people have responded. plus you dont seem like the type to me who fakes postings on his site 🙂 (hint,hint).

    i strongly suggest to you, start a new thread?

  20. #20 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 18, 2008 - 10:23 PM

    rohit

    who is that fake guy? I didn’t get the hint, coz I am as dumb as him who mails the Christmas and New Year cards to himself and gets madly excited upon receiving them.

    This guy must be living in his own paradise and you have to pardon him for his “ignorance” which is a bliss in most cases, but in his case it is a BLISTER on the soft spot, thats why he is always in pain, agony and in hiding.

    He pretends to be his own nephew and then sometime his own uncle and sometime his own friend and assumes that everyone on Pak Spin must be like him.

    Btw, the reason for less interest shown in the Under -19 matches is because of the fact that there is no TV coverage, at least not in our part of the world.

    And you are right in saying that not much participation is seen because they are not so well known, had there been TV coverage things would have been different.

  21. #21 by Awas on February 18, 2008 - 11:26 PM

    Javed A Khan, now I know what you guys are talking about. I am a bit slow you see.

    Having just checked that blog, its nothing but “Noora Kushti” with lots of made up Gora names in it.

    By the way, I think this thread will develop as the game progresses. Patience man!!!

  22. #22 by khansahab on February 19, 2008 - 1:42 AM

    The Pakistani elections have been so far relatively peaceful. This counters the opinions of anti Musharraf activists who said there would be massive rigging and bloodshed during the election.

    It seems Musharraf has kept his word by not rigging the polls. Somehow it also now seems that the Pakistani government was not involved in the Benazir assassination, as there has been a huge “sympathy” vote for PPP that has caused a heavy swing in areas that had strong PML(Q) support.

    All members of the Cricjunoon management always thought Musharraf was not involved in the BB assassination, and it seems we have been proven right.

    The CJ management would allow political opinions on this thread.

  23. #23 by Mohamed Anfaal on February 19, 2008 - 4:41 AM

    SA all out for 149 in 30.1 overs, Sangwan got a Michelle again, this bloke must be good, have heard about him and his Delhi exploits but gotta check him out soon,
    What going on in India it seems you shake a tree and left arm pacers would fall off, right thru from Zaheer,Irfan,Rudra,Ashish,Irfan Sr and now Sangwan

  24. #24 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 19, 2008 - 8:34 PM

    Pakistan under-19 has won the low scoring match against New Zealand by 27 runs.

    The abnormal thing that I have observed in the previous match also is the number of extra runs given by the teams, this is very alarming. In a total of 150 odd runs NZ gave away 28 extras and Pakistan gave away 23 extras and the majority of the extras are wide balls.

    It goes to prove that either the bowlers are unable to maintain a good line or the wicketkeepers aren’t doing a good job. Whatever it is, it is not good.

    If they do not put tabs on leaking runs like this, especially at this under-19 level, then at the adult International level they will be a liability for their sides.

    The good news that I have read on-line is the Australian tour is not done and dusted yet, there are still hopes of them making it through. And this was the statement from Tim Neilsen, the Australian coach. So lets keep our fingers crossed and see what happens next.
    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=97036

    Since the elections has surprised most people NOT WITH RESULTS but with the peaceful manner in which the elections were carried out without any rigging, mal-practice or without using force or casualties is something that gives hope for a better and peaceful future, especially for cricket lovers to see the much awaited Australian tour to Pakistan.

  25. #25 by Awas on February 19, 2008 - 10:49 PM

    Other than the usual odd incidents that one would generally expect, the elections have passed peacefully. Some candidates, the lucky ones, are celebrating and defeated ones are offering them their congratulations.

    Those pansies fearing “rivers of blood” should go in hiding in disgust. I do believe the aftermath would remain calm as well.

    Basically, people are fed up for shedding their lives for power hungry politicians who make promises but do nothing. After BB’s death there were 2-3 days of riots and that too sporadic. Once people started to become hungry on the streets of Karachi, they gave up. Most looters were actually opportunistic criminals.

    Once the most corrupt widower ever known to mankind (of Pakistan) comes to roost, all those bashing Mush (led by Uncle) will remember that his was a good era. Unfortunately people have short memories. I have not ever read a single story where a journalist has said Mush is making money for himself but one can find 100’s such stories about those politicians.

    How those good PPP politicians are keeping mum about, it is really beyond me? I thought after hearing his name in the sacred will, there would be mutiny en-mass but there was nothing of that sort.

    I still think PPP is the best party but only after Bhutto named is wiped clean off the slate.

    As a matter of interest, look at the link below.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7246713.stm

    See how the Economy curve (a World Bank data not hearsay) rose so steeply under Mush. Someone once said it’s due to all those foreign remittances. Well that’s a paindoo speak. Firstly, there was a lot of that in Zia’s era too. Secondly, any foreign currency sitting in a bank swelling your reserves does nothing to the economy unless the money is actually put into good use. The economy only improves with direct and indirect investment. That makes the curve rise. The one you see is an economic growth curve not an increase in foreign exchange reserves curve.

    The same someone mentioned Mush has broken all promises. The reality is completely the opposite. He said parliament would serve its full term and he did it. He said he would take off the uniform and he did it. He said he would hold elections and he did it. He said they would be fair. The loss of king’s party shows they were.

  26. #26 by SA on February 19, 2008 - 11:48 PM

    just found this site from google, was looking for a cricket blog or something.

    i must say i was surprised to see politics on this cricket blog, but excellent comments by “awas”. quite intelligent stuff really.

    Suhaib Abbas

  27. #27 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 20, 2008 - 8:47 AM

    Awas

    You are on the DOT. Very good analysis. The World Bank report must be an eye opener for many. Unfortunately the links don’t work on this blog or does it?

    It seems that the fair elections and no violence, no casualties must be the reason for the Australians to reconsider their decision and hopefully they are coming a month later than scheduled earlier. Also, they have shortened the tour by 18 says for God knows what reasons. But, if this happens and they do visit Pakistan then it is a moral victory for Pakistan Cricket.

    You are also right about the pansies and their blinker vision, what else do you expect from a refugee paindoo? He is running from state to state in his van trying his best to sell the fake jewels from door to door;-) He is nothing more than a “koowain ka dudoo” a frog of the well, so just forget his idiosyncrasies.

    Finally, Yuvraj has come out of Padukone’s hole and played a match winning innings for India. Must applaud Dhoni for his backing. Unlike Malik he has a better vision and more faith in his players.

    It is amazing to see how a couple of early wickets can change the course of the game. Had Jayasuriya not gotten out in that stupid and luckless fashion, had the Lankans scored 12 more runs the match would have gone to the wire. Even without that it did. And so far it the best thriller of the CB series.

    But what a ball that Salinga Malinga bowled to dismiss Sachin! That was a beauty. It reminded me of those two deliveries from Wasim Akram in the 1992 WC when he got rid of Allan Lamb and Chris Lewis in two successive deliveries. They were definitely better as both batsmen thought the ball was going outside the off stump and they left it only to see their stumps uprooting like timber.

    Whereas, Sachin tried to protect his middle stump and the ball curved and missed the bat and even the edge and took his off stump. Malinga’s last 2 overs were also very deadly.

    Vaas was tight and economical and got the important wicket of Yuvraj when he was dangerously poised for a hundred. That was a good yorker and Yuvraj must learn from that mistake. He should avoid such high back lift and keep his bat low at least during the crucial time and especially against fast bowlers. By the time he brought his bat down to dig out the yorker, it was too late and that was a sad ending for him.

  28. #28 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 20, 2008 - 9:16 AM

    Two points that I have missed in my last post and I want to add them here:

    1. What a wonderful match between England and New Zealand that ended in a tie. It is amazing to see a high scoring match ending in a tie. That was so full of “SAAS KI PENCE” till the end.

    2. About the Auction of Players for IPL.

    There was a time when lambs, goats, cows, horses etc were auctioned in the cattle market, they still are.

    Kothis and Kothas were repossessed by banks and creditors and auctioned.

    Paintings, jewels and artifacts are auctioned.

    And now we have come to witness a new era in cricket. Players are being lined up like a Bai or a Domnees and are being auctioned to the highest bidder. Wow!

    In my opinion, this is nothing more than prostitution. Cricket is being dragged into the open orgy grounds and players would be performing the act for money and only for money, what a shame.

    Just look at Andrew Symonds, his hypocrisy and double standards.

    First he had a row with Sreesanth in the middle. Then, reportedly he was abused in that country on racism grounds. Then he had another row with Harbhajan for calling him a Monkey and that nearly ended up in cancellation of the tour.

    Now, he is back in the same country where he was racially abused by the people and he is going to play with the same players who reportedly called him a Monkey BUT he does not want to go to Pakistan on a tour because he thinks that Al-Qaida is after his goldy locks and beautiful looks and they will kidnap him for ransom?

    The lust and greed for money has brought Symonds to India and he wears a price tag of US$1.35 million or should I say his chastity is for sale for US$1.35?
    What a farce!

  29. #29 by Mohamed Anfaal on February 20, 2008 - 9:22 AM

    WOW
    I guess all you guys are following the developments that are taking place right this moment at the Hilton towers bidding for IPL,
    as soon as the breaking news keeps on trickling in I myself was for a while plotting and planning, chopping and changing calculator in hand trying to get my team sorted interesting stuff this, in fact quite inrtriguing, revetting and exiting I can just imagine what must be the scenario inside that regal room , pity that the press and cameras are not allowed, would have loved see the first hand account what transpired in there.
    Reason being sometime or the other we all have must have fantasized to get our own dream team together,
    But what prospect like an open “BAZAAR” a pool of talent and franchisee money bags sitting around a table with their finance and their cricket advisers et all trying to get their combination right while the AV of the player goes up on the screen highlighting it past and present records and achievements a commodity on sale and people trying to figure out how or whom they can accommodate in their budgets and I am in no way suggesting all this in jest in fact quite the contrary, everybody will be involved in acquiring a team that fulfills the two main purposes of getting the maximum mileage vis a vis the money aspect the revenue it will generate in terms of ads or whatever and that all will depend on the teams popularity and the kind of fan following it generates and at the same time has the cricketing balance and wherewithal to go ahead and be a serious contender for the title.
    In the near future I guess we will have teams buying and selling and trading their players with others much like the EPL and other major football leagues in Europe,
    Well the IPL has taken off and I think its here to stay

  30. #30 by .................................. on February 20, 2008 - 9:21 PM

    The CJ visitors have spoken. The best opening combination for India in this current CB series is Sehwag/Tendulkar. This pair received 60% of the votes.

    Tendulkar/Gambhir and Tendulkar/Karthik received 20% votes each.

  31. #31 by Rohit on February 20, 2008 - 9:58 PM

    i voted for tendulkar/sehwag combo. in his article the writer didnt mention Tanmay Srivastava who is a terrific prospect for india. has anyone seen his average in all forms of domestic cricket? he scored a century in the 2008 Ranji Trophy final too.

  32. #32 by Dr Ikramullah on February 20, 2008 - 10:54 PM

    Come on manager, new thread!

    About the politics, the electors were mostly fair but Musharraf should resign now. No point him being there, the people have spoken and most don’t want Musharraf to stay in power.
    I am 90% sure PPP will be more interested to join hands with PML-N and not PML-Q or MQM and other parties. The people who have spoken here are talking sense and I accept their point. But the thing is, you gotta go when you gotta go! And that is Musharraf’s situation now. In fact it with this position two years ago as well. But now even foreign journalists are saying he needs to go. Let the country be run by civilians for some time, let us see how it goes.

  33. #33 by khansahab on February 20, 2008 - 11:00 PM

    Dr Ikramullah,

    Sir the country has been run by civilians before as well, but did that help? In fact the country has been run by the same shameless and corrupt leaders who are vying for power now.

    This is not to say military dictatorship is good to have, but at the same time we don’t want to see corrupt and thieving leaders.

  34. #34 by samy on February 21, 2008 - 3:52 PM

    Tendulkar/Sehwag is the most experienced opening combo for India but it hasn’t really fired in the CB series, and this has caused problems for India up the order. Both Tendulkar and Sehwag have got starts in most of the matches but they have not been able to stay at the crease for a long enough time to make an impact to the total.

  35. #35 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 21, 2008 - 5:19 PM

    khansahab

    you are right about the corrupt civilian leaders. I think that, even after the coalition government is formed, it would be better if Musharaf stays there to keep tabs on them. Because, if these corrupt leaders who have been elected by ignorant blokes are given a free hand then they will once again start looting the country.

    They did this before so many times and this time they will do it even more assuming that it will be the last time, so grab as much as possible.

    Look at that MF Zardari he is saying “I don’t want to be the Prime Minister” he is saying as if he is being forced by the nation to come and sit on the throne!

    I know that he did not stand in the election but he could easily sneak in through bye-election and get a seat and get the post of PM. He is saying that I do not wish to be the PM only to see people’s reaction.

    But what about his criminal record? He was jailed for several years on corruption charges, so who is gonna clean his dirty slate? Its a shame that knowingly people have elected the party that has abused and misused the country’s resources and assets and the couple made personal billions.

  36. #36 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 21, 2008 - 5:48 PM

    IPL or Indian Prostitution Ltd., is hiring prostitutes through bidding and some of the diamond market jewelers are happy that their “Biradari” is increasing.

    I think if a player is not playing for his country then he cannot be at his best. The emotions, the passion and the spirit will not be the same because they will only be playing for money in such cases.

    People are comparing this with soccer like, Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid etc. The point is, that kinda club level soccer is appreciated only locally in the UK or when it is European league the Europeans appreciate it.

    The real interest is when the national sides play like, World cup or Olympics or for European Cup.

    This IPL business would be just an exhibition of highly priced cricket whores and in India people have nothing much to do, so only the die hard Indian cricket fans may be watching and enjoying it. So, let them do that.

  37. #37 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 22, 2008 - 2:46 AM

    I think watching women’s cricket would be better than watching IPL cricket matches.

    Pakistan women team is playing against Netherlands today in the first semi-final for the world cup qualifiers and SA women would be playing against Ireland in the other semi-final.

    Earlier Pakistani women team scored 278 against Scotland and thrashed them for only 26 runs. Scots women are happy because they scored double than Bermuda women team (13 all out).

    Indian women team is definitely better than Pakistani women team. Last year they came to Pakistan and thrashed them, rather whitewashed the series. They will be competing with the Australians and the English women teams.

    The funny bit on cricinfo reporting the Pakistan / Scotland match is here: Urooj Mumtaz, looking to give her batsmen a chance to get some runs under their belt ahead of the semi-finals tomorrow….

    Its OK for the proverbial “belt” but why can’t they call batswomen? If Bruce Wayne can be Batman and Halle Berry can be Catwoman then, why can’t a female cricketer be a batswoman?

  38. #38 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 22, 2008 - 3:05 AM

    I am not the only one who is wary about the IPL drama, there are dozens of critics all over the world who are talking about it, because the whole thing looks like a bawdy-house affair where players are lined up like a bai wearing designer tags. Plus there is so much bias in bidding. In that mundi some of the local Randy bai-ees are priced higher than the foreign Mandy.

    On cricinfo, Dileep Premachandran has written an article, here is the link:

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/339157.html

    It is an interesting read and the point to note in his article is:

    QUOTE: The sort of money thrown at young players in the IPL – is Tiwary really worth twice as much as Michael Hussey, even if Hussey only plays half the season? – should also make us wary. UNQUOTE.

  39. #39 by samy on February 22, 2008 - 9:45 PM

    Virat Kohli made a match-winning 100 off just 74 balls against the West Indies to help India reach the quarter finals, but we’ll have to wait a bit longer to see the India-Pak match since India face England while Pak face Aus in the QFs.

  40. #40 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 25, 2008 - 1:46 PM

    I had posted my comments on the latest thread and I realized that if I repost the same comments here, they would be much better for record purposes. Therefore, I am doing it now.

    Quote:

    On the subject of Under – 19 WC that is in progress and both India and Pakistan have won their quarterfinals so easily and convincingly and moved in to the semis makes us feel good.

    But, the dilemma that is beyond my comprehension is, how come these very youngsters from Pakistan and India when they compete at this level against teams like, Australia, SA, England and other countries, they beat them so easily and convincingly? And, why do they struggle to beat them when they grow a few years older and play for their national sides at the international level?

    The Australians reportedly have the best infrastructure in the world for the development of cricket but, at the under -19 level their players cannot beat these youngsters from the sub-continent and why? It goes to prove that there is more talent at the grass root level in these countries but, when it comes to honing and polishing those skills further, they either get distracted or their energies get dissipated or, they are not utilized properly.

    In my opinion all of the above three reasons are applicable but, the most important of all is the last point that is, the utilization of these players and their skills and abilities to the maximum and in the right channel. This is where the respective cricket boards are to be blamed for managing their human resources so badly and so poorly.

    Earlier, both India and Pakistan used to blame about lack of finances and the basic facilities such as, grounds, academies, training facilities as inadequate and these very players do not keep their focus on the game and only a handful of them stay in the national side and the others disappear into oblivion.

    The PCB and BCCI, especially the later cannot complain about finances, the BCCI at the moment is the richest cricket board in the world. No one needs to go into that detail of explaining how much money they have. Similarly the PCB, within the country is the richest organization with enough money to provide the basic infrastructure and the long term facilities for their youth, but that doesn’t happen. The bureaucrats step in like vultures and eat up everything they can.

    Have I not read in the media, I could have never imagined and believed that an organization like the PCB needs more than 400 employees to run it. And we have also seen and witnessed that the maximum number of officials who accompany the team on foreign tours are from Pakistan and the irony is they travel first class and on office expenses and they stay in five star hotels and, why? What is the need for that? Aren’t they accountable to anyone?

    The Chairman himself is doing the same thing and he likes to be seen by the media and surrounded by his yes men from his organization. The chief selector is also doing the same thing, what is the need for him to witness every match in person? Like most of us he can also watch the games on TV and stay at work in the office, there are thousands of young potential players who need more time and attention than those who have already been selected and touring abroad, why accompany them?

    If one looks at the results carefully the PCB has done nothing in honing the skills of those players who have proved their mettle and they are waiting for their wings to fly. Realistically speaking one can count such players on fingers who have moved from one stage to the other. We have in the previous thread talked about their names like, Lara, Inzi, Jayasuria etc., but they were exceptional talents and since the last 2 decades there aren’t any. Fawad Alam is one such case of mishandling and political bashing rather, a victim of jingoism and nepotism.

    If a raw talent like the under -19 can go out and perform wonders then, why can’t the same talent be harnessed and polished to come out and compete at the national level and international level? If they can beat them when they play for under -19 then they should also beat them later. There is definitely something missing after this under -19 level and the national level, i.e., the team that is chosen to play at international level.

    The respective boards must find out and also find a solution to put an end to this problem. Earlier they had talent and no money, now they have both, so what is the excuse? If they are lacking in man-management and organization, then they should seriously do something about it.

    If they are so keen in hiring a foreign coach, then they should also think in terms of hiring foreign management who can operate freely from a distance i.e., without getting involved into the regional politics and then, not only manage, train, run the organization in a professional manner, but also select and pick-up the right talent for the national side.

    unquote.

  41. #41 by Waqqas Iftikhar on March 22, 2008 - 11:14 PM

    I think there is one name that wasn’t mentioned in terms of future potential and that is young Mohammad Aamer. He comes recommended by Wasim Akram, is a left-arm quick, 16 years of age and can already get it up to 86-87 mph. If (and this is a big if) taken care of properly…we might have a potential world beater in 4 years time. Lets hope he doesn’t disappear into the labyrinth of Pakistan’s domestic cricket setup (or upset may be…bad pun I know).

  42. #42 by khansahab on March 22, 2008 - 11:20 PM

    Waqqas,

    I’ve heard of Mohammad Aamer. Do you know what club he plays for?

    You seem confident about him; I’ll check him out on Cricinfo.

  43. #43 by Waqqas Iftikhar on March 22, 2008 - 11:52 PM

    khansahab, he has played two list A games for rawalpindi but he has been a star on the U-19 circuit. The speeds I gave you were from what I saw during a Pak U-19 V Eng U-19 game on Sky sports during the last U-19 tour by Pakistan to England. He was the leading bowler on show in this U-19 world cup too but unfortunately he was afflicted with the dengue virus before the semis and had to go back home thus thrusting the limelight solely on Adil Raza (who is a prospect and a half mind you). Mansoor Rana, the U-19 coach has a lot of good things to say about Aamer. I have high hopes for this kid.

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