(Please note that Deepika Padukone and Preity Zinta are strongly linked to Indian cricket. This is a major reason why their pics have been uploaded on this thread.)

Recently Andrew Symonds made a point about the difficult issue of “loyalty vs money.” BCCI is the richest cricket board in the world which has already created problems for cricket boards for countries like England and Australia, and now the world also has to contend with ICL and IPL.

Money means a lot of things to a lot of people. Playing in the IPL provides the players with an opportunity to earn enviable amounts of cash, like never before.

Players have started being auctioned. This has never been witnessed in cricket, on such a scale anyway. What is the future of international cricket? Is the time looming where private leagues will be able to afford more money than the ICC? Will the most talented and prolific players draw themselves rigidly to private leagues and ignore national cricket boards? What ramifications does this have on the competitiveness of international cricket?

These are just some of the questions that come to mind. On this thread the CJ Management would like to read your comments regarding what you feel is the future of these private leagues and the future of international cricket.


In other news, it has become known now that Australia may decide to shorten its schedule and tour Pakistan after all. Whereas this is a welcome development, there is a possibility that a “B” or second-grade team may be sent to Pakistan. I believe this will be welcomed by the Pakistani public and it must be welcomed equally by the PCB. Knowing the current form of the Pakistani team, a “B” (or a seemingly weak “A”) team of Australia will offer the Pakistani players a tough time and the series will be very competitive. Not only will this be fruitful for the cricket starved Pakistani public, it will also help identify key youngsters for the future, which Pakistan so desperately needs.

  1. #1 by Shahid on February 22, 2008 - 10:37 AM

    Are you kidding? on pakspin you are saying national pride is important but here you are saying we should accept a B team from Australia? Only we are going to accept A team, thats it. Otherwise PCB should send this aussie team back home to their jungle with their tail between their legs.

  2. #2 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 22, 2008 - 8:22 PM

    Excellent thread on the Indian Prostitution League IPL. India has legalized it and those who are participating in it seems to be not only happy, but very proud. Except for those who are priced lower than others and the price tag has hurt their ego.

    Symonds announced his availability hours before the bidding started by refusing to go to Pakistan on the official tour of the Australian cricket team. By virtue of that his price tag went up because he is available now, whereas the other Australians will not be available till the Pakistan tour is over or the air is cleared.

    Harbhajan is trying to soften up his tiff with Symonds by praising his tail that, he is such a wonderful player. Well this kinda talk was expected. If a player like Manoj Tiwari is priced twice the amount of Mike Hussey then one can see how fair this whole bidding process has been. It is a farcical fart.

    The repercussions of this prostitution business is going to cause serious effects on the regular cricket, be it test, 50 overs or 20 overs. Because, by the addition of this P. League the regular matches conducted by the ICC will not be curtailed and, already Australia has mentioned of shortening their tour to Pakistan, though on different grounds and reasoning, but the ICC World Cup has been shortened because of the earlier complaint lodge by the players that it was too long and too much traveling involved.

    These very players, especially those who were not performing have been complaining that too much cricket is being played and they have no time to rest or recover but, now those who will be pocketing the big time dollars may not complain. I am sure their performance and their attitude will certainly be affected.

    Talking of performance, Ricky Ponting, Andrew Symonds, Jayasuriya, Sehwag, Yuvraj are the examples of pathetic performance in the past few matches, yet they are playing because of their name and their reputation.

    Symonds who has got the highest bid among the foreign players has not performed in this CB series and his highest is 14 runs. Ponting’s total in 7 matches is only 62 runs.

    As regards accepting the Australian A team, which is actually a B team lets clarify it to the regular Australian National Team as ANT.

    If the ANT does come then there is no point in conducting or accepting a series, because this will have many fold effects:

    # The CA will not be penalized.
    # They are actually humiliating Pakistan team by sending their school boys and juniors.
    # By Pakistan’s own standards their own team is not good enough to put up a decent fight against ANT. Hence, if they loose, they will say Pakistan is like Zimbabwe and we did the right thing by sending our junior string players. If Pakistan wins, they will say: ‘its their second string team or whatever.’

    So, just for the heck of it why go ahead with this name sake tour? Pakistan should demand that either they send a full strength team that is the current team that is playing in CB series at the moment or forget about it.

    If they still send their juniors or a second string team, due to whatever politics or pressure from the ICC then, Pakistan should play the entire Under-19 players and rest their national side players. That should be a tit for tuttah.


    Who are you referring to? You mean to say that khansahab wrote on paksin about “national pride” and blah, blah and here is is negating his own words? Hey, what makes you think that it is he who wrote this thread?

  3. #3 by hamza on February 22, 2008 - 10:33 PM

    i am only concerned with IPL because the beautiful preity zinta is there.

    i love you preity

  4. #4 by amit. p on February 22, 2008 - 10:42 PM

    Well well well … there are many negative things written out here ab’t Indian Premier ( or whatever) League .. let me inquire if there is any chance of positive things coming out of this.

    First thing first …. how many “quality”(or competitive) series we usually get to see in a year? Take team india as an example … they usually play 45+ odis and around 10 tests in a calender year. More than 50% matches are crap .. and this figure remains almost same for every team, despite being players wearing their country’s cap proudly.(Here expecting IPL to serve quality cricket out of 20/20 cricket will be too much .. but one can expect some nail biting finishes). Burn out was never a problem for young players coz they got every motivation to play for their national side. It was a problem for experienced and “quality” players who need motivation. Here is IPL serving that motivation big time. More than that it has gone one step further in detaching cricket from nationality and it will remain to see how this is going to get excepted by cricket lovers. By the way i am quite positive ab’t it.

    Another thing is that .. first time so much individuality has been put into cricket …. every player will go to the field with some “price tag”. More than “tag” its amount of “price” that seems hurting many people who played his whole life with paltry amount of salary … but look into reason why this so called “price tag” was absent till now. Earlier, whole team (playing 11 + extras) got equal amount of money by the board irrespective of how good or bad a player was in that team. For sometime now every board has categorized their national players .. and surprisingly very few have objected this and almost everybody embraced that idea. So going by the earlier trends this “atomicity” was inevitable if not necessary. If this is called “prostitution” then i think no body is “virgin” out there …. if anybody claims so then, he/she should check his/her hymen first. In free market every soul has got its price attached, either on front or back. So gentlemen, cricket is moving from “communist” tent to “capitalist” one, and IPL is certainly a step forward in that direction.

    Now ab’t migration of players from national side to clubs … i found Ponting’s view quite logical … ICC should reserve these 45 days .. then there wont be any clashes of priorities … after all ICC too is getting richer by this venture.

  5. #5 by samy on February 23, 2008 - 4:36 PM

    The IPL is not going to improve the Indian domestic structure. At the most it can help find youngsters who can win India T20 matches but I’m not sure if the T20 specialists would be good enough to win Tests or ODIs. The BCCI has not done enough to improve the standard of the main domestic competitions despite all the promises that were made after last year’s World Cup. The condition of the stadiums and pitches still remains the same. Some of the team owners might try to make improvements but it’s hard to imagine Shahrukh or Priety doing the same. Another challenge for the IPL is whether it will be successful in creating a loyal fan base for the teams. And I feel names like Super Kings, Daredevils and Royal Challengers are not helping. IMO, the IPL should follow the PHL pattern. The PHL has been reasonably successful in generating interest even though it is a hockey tournament and hockey is no longer the no.1 sport in India. The PHL has also been successful in finding new players, who have done a fairly good job for the national hockey team. The IPL will probably be a big hit with the public in it’s first season because of the hype, but it’s impact on the future of international cricket will depend on how it does in the next few seasons.
    Back to the CB series, I don’t really think India can win tomorrow’s match judging by how they performed at Adelaide. India’s best chance would be batting first, since chasing totals in Sydney is extremely difficult. And with Lee back for Aus, it will be tough for India to cause an upset.

  6. #6 by Tauqeer Malik on February 23, 2008 - 7:18 PM

    i’m confused can someone clarify? is IPL and ICL both Twenty20 competitions?


  7. #7 by Tauqeer Malik on February 23, 2008 - 7:24 PM

    IPL is good for indian cricket. why no one is saying that? it is also good for individual players themselves. the only people worried by IPL are national fans because if u play for a private league u dont have passion, like when you play for your own country. that is something else. there is so much money the players are happy. think about youngsters in india- it is excellent chance for them to learn about bowling and batting technique. they will be learning from the “best in the business”, as the phrase goes. of course this is not that good for those countries who have international matches during IPL because many top players will be playing for this league.

    but i think cricket fans will be happy because there is simply, more cricket being play.

    i loved the photo of symonds (i think it is symonds?) and the money. nice pics.

  8. #8 by awas on February 23, 2008 - 11:27 PM

    I don’t know why India has got such a cricket junoon in this T20 version. So, much money is being lashed out that it’s mind-boggling. Its fair that India won the T20 world competition and good luck to them.

    The hype surrounding IPL is a bit over the top though. No matter how many stars you have in this competition, unless countries are playing against countries, the players do not have the same passion and neither can you have a large fan following. I can give two examples here.

    In the English county scene, there are a number of international stars from all over the world but the grounds are often empty at county games.

    The other example is world champions playing all star rest of the world eleven. We all know what happened in the last such match. It was almost a non-event and a total damp squib.

    The only sport where there is a lot of following at non-national level is football. English football is one such example. Clubs like Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United have a lot of local fan base, besides international support. There is a reason for that. These clubs have been established for centuries. These fans are very territorial and have local affinity to mainly the club and the ground itself. They have a rivalry against other clubs. It’s like having many little countries within a country. The concept is totally different. A local fan of Bolton Wanderers would remain a die hard fan of his club no matter how pathetic that club is in terms of winning.

    Although county cricket has a similar setup but they have a very little following, not a mass following like football. I cannot see how IPL can generate so much allegiance within a short span of time. Once the novelty is worn off, the crowd level will fade away because of lack of national fervour.

  9. #9 by awas on February 23, 2008 - 11:29 PM

    Now who says Preity Zinta? Bring on Pudukone (have I spelt it right?) anytime. A really pretty girl, eyes like a vast deep lake…

  10. #10 by khansahab on February 23, 2008 - 11:57 PM

    I hereby thank both Hamza and Awas for mentioning names of special looking females, which has rejuvenated me from an otherwise boring and depressing day.

    I saw an interview of Dr Naseem Ashraf, who said some interesting things. According to him Younis Khan is the only player in the Pakistan team who doesn’t play for money and this is true to some extent, according to my personal observation. The Doc also expressed immense faith in Malik as captain and stated that he guarantees Malik will become a successful Test captain in due course.

    He also explained why the board has taken certain controversial selection decisions lately and why Shoaib Akhtar has been handled so erratically by the PCB.

    I am not a fan of the Doc but he defended himself commendably this instance.

    Initial reports have emerged regarding the Indian tour of Pakistan. A BCCI official has reportedly informed PCB that the tour is “unlikely” to go ahead due to India’s hectic schedule. This news has rubbed salt on Pakistani fans’ wounds.

    I have also heard reports that Cricket Australia have now decided that they will scrap the entire tour of Pakistan altogether; however it’s possible these rumours will turn out to be fake.

  11. #11 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 24, 2008 - 12:33 AM

    The two photographs or cartoons whatever they are, on this thread are very apt for the caption that has been given by the avatar. By putting those cartoons on this thread you have put the players and money in the right perspective. I don’t think any other cricket blog is so creative as this one to think and to act upon it so meticulously and perfectly.

    I am the second person to write comments on this thread and the reason is, I was kinda dragged into reading the thread because of the two photos up there. Bravo, keep it up.

    For Awas, he needs two more pictures:

    1. Priety Zinta
    2. Deepika Padukone

    Am I right? I like Zinta’s smile especially her 2 dimples and the twinkle in her eyes are very expressive. I saw her in real life and she is not any different than what she appears in the movies.

  12. #12 by .................................. on February 24, 2008 - 10:30 AM

    We are pleased to upload a pic each of Deepika Padukone and Preity Zinta following discussion on the current thread.

    We hope this will energise and motivate our loyal visitors.

    Deepika and Preity are both passionate cricket fans. Preity has been a mascot for the Indian team previously as well. Now she is a big player in the IPL. Deepika was the reason behind Yuvraj’s recent poor form. She is also important because she two-timed on Dhoni and Yuvraj.

    CJ management like women with guts.

    It is nice to be light hearted once in a while but we wish our visitors would be inclined to restrict their views to cricket in the future.

    Thank you.

  13. #13 by khansahab on February 24, 2008 - 10:48 AM

    Both the ladies have an expression on their faces that reads, “Come and do me”!! 🙂

    Ooops, I forgot I need to restrict my views to cricket………….


  14. #14 by hamza on February 24, 2008 - 10:55 AM

    man you guys are really good, i have just seen the news of india not touring pakistan on cricinfo. where did you get your news from? i wonder what your sources are.

    i also want to mention special thanks to you guys because of not disallowing my preity zinta comment and posting actress’ pics.

    good work, excellent.

  15. #15 by khansahab on February 24, 2008 - 11:10 AM


    Thanks for your appreciation.

    Javed A Khan,

    Excellent point about player burnout. The IPL is adding a greater workload to players’ shoulders. This will indeed affect mental strength and consistency of players.

    I am watching the Indians chasing 317 at the moment. They are doing an admirable job and it is exciting to see the talented Gambhir and Uthappa showing their worth.

  16. #16 by khansahab on February 24, 2008 - 11:14 AM

    Uthappa just scored 50. Excellent innings against a quality side and under tremendous pressure. His selection for this match was on the line but credit goes to Dhoni for persisting with him.

    Regardless of the result of this match, it has been an enthralling contest. India are a serious power in world cricket now, from the performance perspective as well as the “money” perspective.

  17. #17 by khansahab on February 24, 2008 - 11:24 AM

    I have visited a few Indian message boards and many people are calling for Tendulkar to be dropped. The problem is, when people start talking about Tendulkar like that, he always responds with a big knock.

    Let us see how his performance goes in the next match.

  18. #18 by hamza on February 24, 2008 - 11:32 AM

    in odis lee is a great bowler for australia. so many ppl have spoken about how australia has been affected by the absence of mcgrath and warne but when lee goes australia will face many troubles. because clark, bracken and johnson are not very good against top quality batting sides like india. india has a weakness against serious pace because indian conditions are not conducive to pace. that is why lee is a major threat to india and has a remarkable record against them. but when he goes i wonder what the future is for australian cricket?

  19. #19 by awas on February 24, 2008 - 12:17 PM

    Good pictures and good comments by many. It shows women and cricket go hand in hand.

    I still can’t vote as every time I try it says “Cannot process request”

  20. #20 by MIR on February 24, 2008 - 12:46 PM

    (I don’t care if you dont approve this comment)

    Javed Khan from Montreal and other Khansahab from whereever, you both are insane. You terrorised us on Pakspin and you are terrorising us here. Why are you so crazy about cricket, dont you have families and jobs to look after? I was happy that your terrorism had stopped on Pakspin but you have returned on that blog too.

    God save me from these 2 Khans!

  21. #21 by awas on February 24, 2008 - 1:05 PM

    Mir-Taqi-Mir what a poetry…I wonder who is insane???

  22. #22 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 24, 2008 - 1:07 PM

    Nice pictures, but Zinta’s dimples are missing in this photograph. That is what makes her more attractive and lively.

    On the much talked about Indian hurried tour getting canceled, I had earlier written that, it is only a “fishful” thinking on part of the PCB. Because Indian team is busy since Pakistan toured India last year and immediately after that they went to Australia and are still there. Therefore, even “dosti-ki-khatir” they may not accept this make-shift arrangement immediately after this arduous and labouring tour.

    Besides, they have their own schedules with SA coming home and the IPL drama is also there in their own backyard. And the Indian players do not have any motivation to go to Pakistan only to fill-in the gaps created by the Australians.

    Neither they are short of money nor there is any desire to play against a weak Pakistan team whom they have beaten at home so convincingly, courtesy Show-aib Mule-ick’s impotency. If they were beaten 5-0 then perhaps they “may” have seen some challenge in it and “may be” they may have accepted the tour.

    I am not surprised at all by this news that they have declined the offer. In fact Aussies will eventually do the same, wait and see.

    Bai Naseem Ashraf is trying to act like a bhaand hoping to amuse the Pakistani public with his antics. There is nothing he or the PCB can do now, because the Australians are going to drag this till the end and then say sorry guys! They want to escape from this tour which has no interest for them either. Their motivation is even less than India’s. They all want to go and pay a visit to Padukone’s hole and smell zinty’s minty breath and pocket a few extra dollars.

    On the ICL express that got derailed:

    Those who jumped the wagon in haste and landed in the ICL express, missed the Indian Japanese Maglev equivalent or the IPL express train, must be regretting and complaining by now. All those Inzis and Razzaqs & Co., must be cursing their luck and turning pale at their decision to join the ICL especially after seeing the auction and the price tags.

    Mullah Yousuf is shifting the blame on the PCB and the BCCI for not letting him auctioned with a price tag like others. That is because he was served by a court order from ICL saying “Yousuf Bai tum humaree ho” and that prevented him from being auctioned. In either case he wouldn’t have earned much because of his form and with no history of any success at the T20 level.

    He should see the glass is half full, instead of complaining that the glass is half empty! Had he remained in the Inzi and Razzaq’s bandwagon, not only he was a goner for the IPL, but he would have also lost the chance to play for Pakistan. Then who would he be blaming at?

    He should thank his stars for being in the Pak team, instead he is nagging and complaining like a whore whose pimps have turned their backs on her for a younger and better looking challenger.

    I wonder why Misbah didn’t go for the auction? He could have fetched a decent amount or should I say he would have been sold at a premium!

  23. #23 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 24, 2008 - 1:14 PM

    Na hoa, par na hoa Khan ka andaaz naseeb

    Mir yaraon nay bahot zore blog pay mara

    Ba-qaol-e-mir, yae tou:

    Ibtadaae ishq hai rota hai kya
    Aage aage dekhiye hota hai kya

    Aur Mohammad Yousuf pay inhi ka ek yaad aya:
    Ghairat-e-Yousaf hai yeh waqt-e-aziz,
    Mir isko raigaan khota hai kya

  24. #24 by .................................. on February 24, 2008 - 1:33 PM

    Dear CJ visitors,

    As has been mentioned a few times previously, the actresses discussed on this thread are linked strongly to Indian cricket. The photos uploaded here are “hot” but this is not a pornography site and we just want to keep our loyal visitors energised and entertained.

    Please note that any requests to upload “very revealing” or pornographic material will not be honoured.

    Thank you.

  25. #25 by Javed Kazmi on February 24, 2008 - 2:37 PM

    This is the first time I am posting here. I have a few words of praise for the site’s managing committee.

    Khansahab- good idea to make a site. I always respected your views on Pakspin even though I didn’t agree with them always. You are a bit emotional and hot headed sometimes, but for your age you have a wise and mature head. Keep it up young man! And I will agree with “Mir” to an extent because you are crazy about cricket!

    Javed A Khan- Good to see your rampant participation on Pakspin. You are my namesake! I find your views thought provoking. Also, I admire your courage to speak your mind and I respect your obsession with cricket. Also, your sense of humor is par excellence and I really admire your ability to create a joke out of anything. I feel you played a major part in Pakspin’s success from being merely a “good blog” to being perhaps the most visited cricket blog in the world.
    Cricket is a superb and exciting game that runs in our blood. This is what non Asian people don’t understand. Cricket is much more than a game in Pakistan or India. It is a religion and a unifying belief that binds everyone together irrespective of belief or race. It is a pulse that is experienced by everyone to some level, irrespective again of what you look like, what religion you follow or what language you speak.

    Awas- I don’t think you play a very active part managing this site, but nonetheless your views are very balanced and decent. Also, your write very fluidly and with excellent command, and use impeccable syntax (I would know because I teach English in a high school!).

    Good work, you gents are doing an excellent service to this game which we all adore. If I can elicit one minor criticism, it is that I did not appreciate the pics of actresses you uploaded on this thread. It might be a bad influence on kids or even older people who are from conservative backgrounds. Can you please remove these pics? I am sure you can find more decent (covered) pics of actresses on the Web!

    Javed Kazmi

  26. #26 by khansahab on February 24, 2008 - 3:21 PM

    Excellent analysis by the learned Samy- India found it difficult to chase because they didn’t obviously bat first, and Lee’s return made chasing for India an impossible task.

    Having that said it was a close encounter.

  27. #27 by khansahab on February 24, 2008 - 3:45 PM

    Javed Kazmi,

    Sir thanks for your kind words. We also liked your contributions on Pakspin. We hope you will keep visiting our site and contributing.


  28. #28 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 24, 2008 - 4:28 PM

    Vow Pictures Galore!

    I am sure the Diamond Market Jeweler must be drooling all over by now! And he will add and fake a few more imitation jewelery studs in his dukaan!

    Zinta doesn’t like a girl anymore, when she entered bollywood with her killer smiles, cute dimples and that twinkle in her eyes she created a storm in the film industry, Dimple and Simple Kapadia turned into Wrinkle Kapadias.

    And Padukone’s curvy cones and cheek bones made Dhoni and Yuvraj’s funny bones move vertically upwards, so much so that Yuvraj then took a dive and went knee deep into that hole and found it hard to get outta it.

    Don’t you guys think that this “icon” business is a bit farcical?
    Tendulkar, Dravid and Ganguly with no experience of T20 are icons? Also, this Jharkhand’s jhara “L” is topping the list like a burnt out candle on the cake. Do you think he is worth more than some other big hitters like, Gayle, Afridi, Yuvraj, Hayden, Gilchrist, Morkel and others?

    Has anyone noted there aren’t any English whores in the Indian Prostitution League! Mais Oui, who is to be blamed for that? They lost to NZ like BD lost to them a few months ago. Whats wrong with these British hookers…ooops hooligans?

    Javed Kazmi, I appreciate criticism and not praise, if I say I didn’t get your praise? It doesn’t mean I wanna hear it again 😉

    Isn’t it weird that some of our neighbours are trying their best to ridicule pakspin and Pakistan in general by supporting the Australian view. They can be happy licking the Kangaroo backs but, the way they are ridiculing Muslims and Pakistanis with their snide remarks is really pathetic and its an unacceptable behaviour.

  29. #29 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 24, 2008 - 7:15 PM

    OOops there is an error in my previous comment that I had posted.

    Zinta doesn’t LOOKS like a girl anymore, is what I wanted to say and missed out the word LOOKS. Please correct it. Thanks.

    A point that I have been reiterating for a long time is:

    “How the youngsters get spoiled by money and fame?”

    Here is an example from yesterday’s match between India and Australia.

    Ishant SHARMA after getting Andrew Symonds wicket was needlessly using the “F” word in celebrating the wicket. He came running down almost up to Symonds’ face and yelled at him three, four times by saying “F**k Off, F**k Off.

    Last week he did the same to that humble Tilakaratne Dilshan who was trying to hit Sharma and missed on a couple of occasions, so Sharma did the same to Dilshan who did not even bother to look at him. Whereas, Symonds was furious and while he was walking off, he told Ponting to discuss it with the umpires. Which he did and the umpires talked and Sehwag actually hugged umpire DJ Harper and took him to a side. But, that should not let Sharma get away by that hug.

    I think he should be officially reprimanded to improve his behaviour and must pay at least 50% of his match fees in fines. But, right now he won’t care because, his price tag is $950,000. Already a lot of Indian’s consider him as a HERO and that must have gone into his head.

    I remember sometime back, Gambhir when fielding in a match against England stopped a ball at the boundary line and threw it back to the keeper and was showing his fist to the batsman and saying “F**k Off” in same manner as Sharma and there was so much anger and arrogance on his face for no reason. Its good that you play cricket emotionally and with passion but that doesn’t mean you cross the line of decency.

    And guess who was patting on Sharma’s back yesterday? None other than that same the monkey who was mauled by Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting yeah Shantakumara Sreesanth. And lucky for him that he got 2 wickets.

    Did anyone notice Dhoni’s new keeping gloves? Which he soon had to dispense with after he got Gilchrist, as it was brought to the match referee’s attention that the webbing between the thumb and the index finger not only appears too big but, it is also reinforced with a double stitch which is not allowed under the ICC rules.

  30. #30 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 24, 2008 - 7:31 PM

    Btw, I have seen some of the so-called “Indian Jewels” in real life. Here is a link which you ALL must click and see……. errr this site is not URL friendly so copy paste it in the location bar and see it for yourself. I won’t tell more than this, here is the link:

  31. #31 by Salman on February 24, 2008 - 9:54 PM

    lol! near naked pics of indian actresses on cricket blog? what is the problem?i came here to discuss cricket but saw this weird behavior from management. come on, change the pics?

    i agree with javed about the Yousuf. he is not a T20(twenty20) player which is why he was not auctioned. these IPL and ICL are twenty20 cricket competitions. but most players participating are test or ODI players. i think it is more about face value and “razmatazz” than actual quality of cricket. but is is huge entertainment for indian public and good financially wise for players. because they will be making loads of money. in the end sab kuch paisey ki baat hai……..

    what is Dhoni doing with wrong gloves? anyway i think too much issue was made about his gloves. i dont think so he was cheating. but law is law and you have to follow it.

  32. #32 by .................................. on February 24, 2008 - 11:36 PM

    Dear friends,

    CJ Management is working round the clock to make this site more appealing, easy to use and informative for you.

    We are pleased to announce that our site has now live cricket news being uploaded from Cricinfo. This means that you can now catch the latest news regarding Pakistan and Indian cricket as soon as it happens!

    We have also remodelled the site slightly, removing Waqar Younis’s picture from the header and replacing it with the title of the site.

    We hope you liked the adjustments we have made.

  33. #33 by khansahab on February 25, 2008 - 12:15 AM

    My good friend Rohit has not commented yet on this thread.

    Where are you Rohit?

  34. #34 by awas on February 25, 2008 - 12:43 AM

    *****es galore….now we are on to something…

  35. #35 by amit. p on February 25, 2008 - 9:03 AM

    Recent development — pak U19 have beaten aussies handsomely … so india and pak going to play semifinal on wednesday …. though i prefer both to meet in final rather semis … interesting to see whether these kids following the indo-pak rivalry or not.

  36. #36 by Rohit on February 25, 2008 - 10:59 AM

    im here khansaab. it was a good match yesterday between india-aus. lee’s matchwinning presence meant that india would lose, however excellent knocks by gambhir and uthappa. in U-19 cricket it is nice to see india/pak dominating the good teams like australia and south africa. this is BRILLIANT for international cricket because this is somewhere where our teams can perform and be known as the best. india and pakistan have done very well traditionally in U-19 cricket anyway. a 16 year old from india can play better than a 16 year old from australia, and this is what U-19 cricket is showing to the world. what the indian team lacks is a fabulous first class structure like australia does, which is why players from australia who arrive in international cricket from first class cricket become superstars in a fortnight.

    we spoke about every tide having an ebb etc, and australian domination will not remain there forever. competitive cricket is something that everyone wants- no one wants to see australia thrashing the opponent always. indian cricket is certainly moving in that direction where it will dominate lesser teams, and i suppose pakistan will also produce some genius players soon out of the current impressive newbies like tanvir, alam, ali asad etc. so the future is good for international cricket.

  37. #37 by rmkrish66 on February 25, 2008 - 12:50 PM

    I saw in that India plays against New Zealand and Pakistan play against South Africain the semi final of the U-19 World Cup.

  38. #38 by amit. p on February 25, 2008 - 1:03 PM

    Oh no …. india-pak U19 are not going to clash in semis …. rather if they win their respective matches in semis, then once again india-pak final … i hope they do so.

  39. #39 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 25, 2008 - 1:44 PM

    On the subject of Under – 19 WC that is in progress and both India and Pakistan have won their quarterfinals so easily and convincingly and moved in to the semis makes us feel good.

    But, the dilemma that is beyond my comprehension is, how come these very youngsters from Pakistan and India when they compete at this level against teams like, Australia, SA, England and other countries, they beat them so easily and convincingly? And, why do they struggle to beat them when they grow a few years older and play for their national sides at the international level?

    The Australians reportedly have the best infrastructure in the world for the development of cricket but, at the under -19 level their players cannot beat these youngsters from the sub-continent and why? It goes to prove that there is more talent at the grass root level in these countries but, when it comes to honing and polishing those skills further, they either get distracted or their energies get dissipated or, they are not utilized properly.

    In my opinion all of the above three reasons are applicable but, the most important of all is the last point that is, the utilization of these players and their skills and abilities to the maximum and in the right channel. This is where the respective cricket boards are to be blamed for managing their human resources so badly and so poorly.

    Earlier, both India and Pakistan used to blame about lack of finances and the basic facilities such as, grounds, academies, training facilities as inadequate and these very players do not keep their focus on the game and only a handful of them stay in the national side and the others disappear into oblivion.

    The PCB and BCCI, especially the later cannot complain about finances, the BCCI at the moment is the richest cricket board in the world. No one needs to go into that detail of explaining how much money they have. Similarly the PCB, within the country is the richest organization with enough money to provide the basic infrastructure and the long term facilities for their youth, but that doesn’t happen. The bureaucrats step in like vultures and eat up everything they can.

    Have I not read in the media, I could have never imagined and believed that an organization like the PCB needs more than 400 employees to run it. And we have also seen and witnessed that the maximum number of officials who accompany the team on foreign tours are from Pakistan and the irony is they travel first class and on office expenses and they stay in five star hotels and, why? What is the need for that? Aren’t they accountable to anyone?

    The Chairman himself is doing the same thing and he likes to be seen by the media and surrounded by his yes men from his organization. The chief selector is also doing the same thing, what is the need for him to witness every match in person? Like most of us he can also watch the games on TV and stay at work in the office, there are thousands of young potential players who need more time and attention than those who have already been selected and touring abroad, why accompany them?

    If one looks at the results carefully the PCB has done nothing in honing the skills of those players who have proved their mettle and they are waiting for their wings to fly. Realistically speaking one can count such players on fingers who have moved from one stage to the other. We have in the previous thread talked about their names like, Lara, Inzi, Jayasuria etc., but they were exceptional talents and since the last 2 decades there aren’t any. Fawad Alam is one such case of mishandling and political bashing rather, a victim of jingoism and nepotism.

    If a raw talent like the under -19 can go out and perform wonders then, why can’t the same talent be harnessed and polished to come out and compete at the national level and international level? If they can beat them when they play for under -19 then they should also beat them later. There is definitely something missing after this under -19 level and the national level, i.e., the team that is chosen to play at international level.

    The respective boards must find out and also find a solution to put an end to this problem. Earlier they had talent and no money, now they have both, so what is the excuse? If they are lacking in man-management and organization, then they should seriously do something about it.

    If they are so keen in hiring a foreign coach, then they should also think in terms of hiring foreign management who can operate freely from a distance i.e., without getting involved into the regional politics and then, not only manage, train, run the organization in a professional manner, but also select and pick-up the right talent for the national side.

  40. #40 by khansahab on February 25, 2008 - 11:16 PM

    I saw some of the highlights of the Baluchistan vs Federal Areas match tonight and I have the following observations to make:

    1) This is first class cricket and the highest level or form of domestic cricket in the country. Despite this I was shocked to see the poor technique of batsmen. This confirms more than ever the need to improve the first class game in Pakistan so that youngsters are ready for international cricket when they are drafted into the international squad. Sadly, the running between the wickets was pathetic and almost comical. I lost count of the many times batsmen were hesitant to respond to each others’ calls and the many times there was a near run-out.

    2) The fielding was pathetic. We must not forget that despite the teams in this match are neither Sindh or Punjab, the majority of players in both teams are from Punjab, which has the most advanced cricket structure in the country. Again I lost count of the times fielders fumbled the ball, missed the ball during an ill-fated dive or threw very wide of the keeper.

    3) Batsmen seemed hellbent on slogging the ball every now and then. There were too many streaky edges and lucky escapes for the batsmen. This again is a problem with many Pakistani batsmen.

    4) A few fast bowlers seemed to have suspect bowling actions. Shehzad Azam, the Sialkot born pacer, was very quick and lethal but his action is not clean. Unless he remodels his action I don’t see him being selected to represent Pakistan at international level.

    5) Finally I want to make a point about Yasir Arafat. He continues to impress me. He was quick, spot on with line and length, and swung the ball late. He also swung it in both directions and seems to have really improved his fitness, discipline and variety in bowling. If he keeps up this form, he can become the next Abdul Razzaq for Pakistan.

  41. #41 by amit. p on February 26, 2008 - 9:33 AM

    Why india and pakistan not matching their U-19 performance(result) at higher level?

    Well … Argentine football fans must have pondering over similar question for quite a while, regarding football. Though they defend this as drastic change of playing technique .. skill might be the deciding factor for junior level but at senior level one needs skill+power+robustness+courage+temperament

    Certainly subcontinent players lack these later characteristics .. and this can be traced back to the sate in which our societies are. Too much expectation from early age .. from parents to family to village to state to nation (now add sponsors too 😉 ). Higher they go in the system, bigger the pressure they feel. And they start walking on the thin line separating hunger and desperation. Hunger is good but, desperate characters rarely succeed in any field, unless someone is blessed with excessive talent.

    There are many examples of guys falling in later category. One in munaf patel … he is now just too obsessed with his bowling figure .. his only aim now a days is to bowl like 10-x-45-1/2. Zero dedication toward fielding or batting(if he gets chance to bat). Lost all his process.

    Change in society is long and steady process but now i think cricket academy should have a permanent job for counselor.

  42. #42 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 26, 2008 - 2:34 PM

    After yesterday’s match against Sri Lanka, India is bragging about its strategy to play 5 regular bowlers in the team that, the trick worked out.

    Apart from Pathan who bowled very tight 1/23 in ten overs and to get rid of the dangerous Jayasuriya, the other bowlers were hardly impressive. P. Kumar and I. Sharma got 4 wickets each but, Kumar’s bowling was very mediocre. The Sri Lankans are to be blamed for the pathetic display of batting after a good start.

    From 71 for 1 in 13 overs they slumped to 93 for 7. The moment their in-form batsman Sangakara was out they panicked and threw away their wickets on a perfect batting pitch and nice sunny day.

    Munaf Patel is a spent force, the way he runs to bowl speaks a lot about his enthusiasm, rather it highlights his lethargy and he is undoubtedly the weakest link in fielding and batting. He should not be in the team, period!

    India once again experimenting the opening pair to sort out the conundrum just like Pakistan. There is no need to make Tendulkar open the innings. He should come at number 4 now. Although he batted well yesterday, but that is like once in blue moon that he performs especially when chasing a total he is not a good option.

    Sanjay Manjrekar has asked the media that, why don’t they question Tendulkar’s form? Especially when chasing a total he is not the same Tendulkar anymore and when he gets out cheaply he puts the whole team under pressure. It was Gambhir the other day who rescued with a century and once again he played a good knock, 63 n.o.

    People always defend Tendulkar by saying he plays when it matters, this is a rubbish notion, he has played well in the test matches in Australia, but failed miserably in the last 4-5 ODI’s and put his team under tremendous pressure.

    It is Dhoni’s job to make him play at number 4 rather than Tendulkar deciding where he wants to play. When it comes to say anything to Tendulkar which is against his wishes, everyone in the Indian camp chickens out.

    Finally, I. Sharma got a slap on his wrist for that gesture and F words he uttered @ Symonds. That 15% match fees fine worked out like a temporary leash. But, he is not going to change his attitude with such fines. If he does again he should be banned from playing a few ODI’s or test matches.

    If you look at the recent incidents between Indian and Australian players, they all have targeted Andrew Symonds. First, it was Sreesanth who did that and not only when he was playing, but the second time when he was the 12th man he did that from the sidelines.

    That provoked the crowd to make those Monkey gestures in that match and that thing continued, Harbhajan had a row with him that almost threatened to call off the tour. And now Ishant Sharma’s call and gestures were totally un-called and unnecessary and abusive.

    I wonder how Symonds would be treated by the Indian crowd when he plays for IPL? And what would be the security measures for him? Anything that may happen to him shall immediately be pointed out towards the so-called terrorists.

    The team Symonds is in, has some very exciting players like Gilchrist, Afridi, Gibbs, Rohit Sharma, Vaas, Styris and others. I am not sure how Laxman would play in T20 matches! But, he too is in that Hyderabad team.

    On the subject of security here is an example of how the Pakistan under – 19 team after winning the quarterfinals did.

    From cricinfo tour diaries by George Binoy.


    After the formalities had been completed, the Pakistan players did something that I haven’t seen so far in the tournament. They went up to the tents and shook hands with the few fans who had vociferously supported them through the match.


  43. #43 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 26, 2008 - 4:19 PM


    Mathew Hayden has called Harbhajan “MAD BOY” does it mean PAAGAL LARKA or was he referring to the clothing line Mad Boy?

    Whatever it is Harbhajan is gonna be a Mad Hatter or a Mad Turbonator now not just for the mad boy comment but for the obnoxious weed that he has been.

  44. #44 by Rehan Khan on February 26, 2008 - 5:36 PM

    Nice background. And very nice pictures 🙂

    India completely dominated Sri Lanka yesterday, what a great bowling effort by them. You were right khansahab, a Tendulkar special was around and he showed it. His batting is still a “masterclass” even though he is not the same player anymore.

    I agree with Javed A Khan about the point he makes about the coach of the team. This is a very good point which many people dont make. Why not choose a foreign management panel as well, if you are obsessed for local coach? At least it will make sure there is no politics in the system and that there is good accountability. But the truth, Javed, is that Pakistani players will not work with foreign management because foreign management have work ethic. They believe in “work hard, play hard” but our players dont work hard and they definitely dont play hard. What they want is a dummy who can let them do what they want, and they will never listen to their managers anyway. After all Imran Khan is our hero and he never listened to anyone. So why must these youngsters?

  45. #45 by .................................. on February 26, 2008 - 7:19 PM

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  46. #46 by khansahab on February 26, 2008 - 7:32 PM

    A few people have spoken against our decision to upload hot pics of actresses. We searched extensively for suitable pictures on various websites. What we have uploaded here is nothing compared to some of the very revealing and erotic pictures these actresses have shot for, particularly Deepika. We could have chosen those pictures, but we decided to be reasonable.

    We would suggest to our visitors to enjoy and feast on these pictures while they can, rather than complain :). Take them lightly!

  47. #47 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 26, 2008 - 7:41 PM

    Good to see the Hindustan Times features on CJ.

    And I don’t think that people would object seriously on the pictures of these two actresses who are involved in IPL in one way or the other. So, you don’t have to worry about that.

  48. #48 by amit. p on February 26, 2008 - 7:53 PM

    People always defend Tendulkar by saying he plays when it matters, this is a rubbish notion, he has played well in the test matches in Australia, but failed miserably in the last 4-5 ODI’s and put his team under tremendous pressure.

    To be precise he failed miserably in last 3 matches .. otherwise in every match he got off to a start but didn’t able to convert in big ones. Gone are the days when tendulkar’s wicket used to create shiver in the indian dressing room. Its bulk of wicket falling cheaply on the top that is worrying india rite now … rightly pointed by dhoni on the other day after get beaten by aussies.

    This is the rubbish notion that tendulkar shud bat at no. 4 or anywhere down the order. Its better to give him rest for couple of matches in a long series like this, rather hiding him down the order. Management shud start thinking on this line … when to give him rest.

    If you look at the recent incidents between Indian and Australian players, they all have targeted Andrew Symonds. First, it was Sreesanth who did that and not only when he was playing, but the second time when he was the 12th man he did that from the sidelines.

    If u look at those incidents ‘closely’ u will find its symonds who provoked first and indians are not good in showing tactical anger .. and ended up in match referee’s “good-book”. Dhoni’s comment on recent ishant-symonds spat is on the mark —(courtesy cricinfo)

    “It’s an art and they are good at it, but the Indians will learn soon”

    “It’s (provocation) been going on for a long time,” Dhoni said. “We have to be careful about it and if they provoke us we need to mind what we say. Ishant just reacted to what Symonds said.”

    If symonds would be india’s target then they would not end-up in loosing match fees and facing match referees. Having said that no line should be crossed and indian team shud learn this art of sledging and provocation.
    Btw pre-match build-up is heating up!

  49. #49 by amit. p on February 26, 2008 - 8:04 PM

    What we have uploaded here is nothing compared to some of the very revealing and erotic pictures these actresses have shot for, particularly Deepika. We could have chosen those pictures, but we decided to be reasonable.

    LOL … going by some of the analogy put here … why u r looking for 5K types girls when u can afford 10k …. go for full monty … LOL

  50. #50 by khansahab on February 26, 2008 - 8:14 PM

    Amit P,

    It’s nice to see you retorting to Javed A Khan’s comments. Yes, JAK is in CJ management but that does not mean you can’t challenge his comments here.

    This blog is for Indians as much as it is for Pakistanis. No one should forget that, and if any Indian complains about anything to do with Pakistan, we will of course allow that comment. We can discuss the good things about both countries and teams but that doesn’t mean we should hesitate to say something we don’t feel comfortable with!

    Plus knowing JAK, he would prefer to be challenged than to be buttered.

  51. #51 by khansahab on February 26, 2008 - 8:23 PM

    Before I forget I wanted to make a comment regarding Munaf:

    He is a serious liability to the Indian team, something like a thorn among roses. His constant selection is baffling as he not a very committed bowler.

    Also I don’t understand why he looks tired so much? As long as a fast bowler can overcome fitness problems and discipline problems consistently, I don’t have a problem with him if his batting or fielding is not up to the mark. But if there is a constant problem with fitness and body language, then the player should be sanctioned!

  52. #52 by amit. p on February 26, 2008 - 8:49 PM


    Munaf selection only shows how professional dhoni is … if u remember the first match of this series in which munaf played … dhoni was disgusted by his on field presence … and said loudly (near the stump mike) —

    sone ke liye bahut time milega … match khatm hone ke baad so lena

    After that, he again gave him a chance just becoz he feels if munaf can provide early wickets (by his height factor on aus pitches)then it will be handy …. its just another example of dhoni’s matureness .. other captain wud have sent back home.
    But i think in last game he shud have open the attack with ishant and kumar rather munaf.

  53. #53 by JAVED A KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on February 26, 2008 - 9:20 PM

    amit. p

    My suggestion to send Tendulkar at number 4 was also echoed by Ian Chappell. Besides, I have seen on so many occasions that whenever Tendulkar went out cheaply as an opener, the team seldom scores, also when quick wickets fall around him he too slows down. And in this series Tendulkar failed 4 times not 3. And pls. read Manjrekar’s comments on Tendulkar on cricinfo.

    As regards Symonds provoking first, is totally WRONG, because I was watching the match live and I do have the PVR to rewind and see it again. When Symonds was out clean bowled, Symonds looked back at the stumps and started to walk off and it was then Sharma showed him the way to the dressing room and was yelling F**K OFF, F**K OFF.

    Also in the previous match in which Dilshan scored runs, initially he was unable to connect pull shots at Sharma’s bowling and Sharma used the same F word against him. There was absolutely no reason to abuse that humble character called Dilshan.

    I don’t have to repeat what I have written earlier. If you haven’t watched or if you haven’t seen, then please don’t quote Dhoni’s comments, because it is obvious that Dhoni is not going to say Symonds is right and Indian players are wrong.

    They have definitely targeted Symonds and one after the other they are attacking him. I am not an Aussie supporter but, I would not hesitate in telling the truth as I see it.

    As regards deducting 15% of match fees as a fine is a slap on the wrist for Sharma. What is 15% match fees compared to $950,000 price tag that Ishant Sharma has. And facing match referee for a slap is nothing unless you are banned for 4 ODI’s or 2 test matches.

    The pre-match build-up is good but has to be within the limits.

  54. #54 by samy on February 26, 2008 - 9:30 PM

    Munaf was one of the fastest bowlers in India a couple of years ago, before he made his India debut. But during the Chappell/Frazer regime he was asked to change his bowling style and he then became more of a Mcgrath clone rather than the out-and-out fast bowler he was supposed to be. And today he struggled to reach 130K and got punished by the batsmen. Classic example of how to waste natural talent. They’re doing the same thing with Uthappa now.
    But it was a good day for India overall, with Sachin back in form and the bowlers impressing again. P.Kumar bowled a very good line and frustrated the batsmen and Ishant bowled some good deliveries to get rid of Parera and Dilshan. But SL did well to recover from 93/7 to 179 and after that they still had a small chance. But Sachin’s 63, which was made with an excellent strike-rate, destroyed all SL hopes. Gambhir played well too.
    It’s good that some of India’s batsmen are back in form, but they will have to maintain that in the finals.
    Nice pics, BTW :).

  55. #55 by khansahab on February 26, 2008 - 10:02 PM

    If I am brutally honest, I thought the Indian team overreacted slightly in the recently concluded Test series where they accused the Australians and threatened to cancel the tour.

    However, what I don’t understand is how Australians can say that Indians are always the aggressors? Esp because there is a “banter”/sledging culture in countries like Australia and England? The Ishant/Symonds incident notwithstanding, Pakistani and Indian players would never feel confident starting a banter with a “white man”, simply because firstly they are not as confident in their English and secondly because there is a certain “barrier” coming upfront with a “white man”. This is my personal viewpoint, as is the opinion that more often that not you see Australians starting a farce.

    Plus I also don’t understand what Hayden meant when he said that Indians are behaving like this because they are losing matches? What planet is he living on? India are going through one of the best forms in international cricket that they have ever experienced!

  56. #56 by khansahab on February 26, 2008 - 10:14 PM


    I was very tempted to go “full Monty” as there were some delicious, jaw dropping pictures but you can see some people had reservations even with these pics. It is impossible to keep everyone happy in this world!

    I am thinking of posting more hot pics in the future, even if they are not of cricket-related actresses like Preity and Deepika, but this is something I want to consult with the co managers first!

  57. #57 by amit. p on February 27, 2008 - 7:10 AM


    Not only Ian chappell but its full lobby who believes in sending at no. 4 … including his younger bro and manjrekar. Even guru greg have sent him at no. 4 just before world cup and messed up whole indian batting line-up. Going by these guys’ arguments why not play him at no. 6 the job of a finisher. Interestingly Ian always says that he didnt feel comfortable at lower order when his bro used to send him down the order. And yeah i have read his column before it appears on cricinfo.

    Like you many guys were watching that match live but everybody saw first ishant jumping after getting him out then symo said something to him after that ishant said “f**k off and go to dressing room” pointing his finger towards it. That clip is repeatedly shown by sports channel and i have seen it many times. Btw no one can see the truth .. but only events .. truth is something u can comprehend.

    Every fast bowler now a days says something to batsmen but the rule is u cant sledge them from within a warning distance … as long as any bowler saying something out of that range its ok for referees …
    Btw few months ago there was an incident in the last indo-pak odi when tanvir got the wicket of tendulkar and after that he came close to him and punch his feast in the air almost collapsing with him … then on this foroum or the CF same moral inspector was defending tanvir act as aggression … hmmm
    I wonder how many tests or odis bans was recommended, if it was done by ishant.


    Yes, going public ab’t canceling the tour was amateurish …. they shud have threaten CA privately 😉
    I mean why not .. for 100 yrs they have regulated this cricket from their backyard … whom to fine whom to ban .. where their team shudn’t go to play series … which player is playing “hard-cricket” and who is crossing the line … everything was monopolized and still is to some extent, but fading rapidly.

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