LEGSLIP MANAGERS COVER THE SHOAIB SAGA……………..

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THE PINDI EXPRESS DERAILS…………………by Khansahab

International cricket has arguably never witnessed a waste of such magnitude. Shoaib Akhtar, the Rawalpindi Express, took the world by storm when he made his debut in 1997. He was quick and lethal and even had an attitude to go about with his fear inducing bowling. When we discuss the quality of legendary batsmen like Tendulkar or Lara we do mention their respective records on difficult pitches against good bowling attacks. In the same way Shoaib deserves praise for his performances against good batting teams like Australia and India.

That Shoaib has been banned will not come across as much of a surprise to most cricket fans. What is more surprising is the duration of the actual ban, which is 5 years. Why such an elaborate ban, this time for merely speaking out against certain policies of the PCB? Nasim Ashraf has justified the imposition of this duration by asserting that Shoaib was on probation and hence had to warrant extra care to not offend.

In all likelihood, Shoaib has never been respected or adhered to authority. He has always projected himself as a daredevil who only lives for the moment and who is his own master. In the crazy and topsy turvy world of Pakistan cricket, anything can happen. We might see Shoaib’s ban being overturned or the duration of the ban being reduced. But the attention grabbing matter is not actually the ban itself, but the frustration and ridiculousness of the proceedings as a whole. Pakistan cricket has produced lots of talented players who have wasted their potential. One might say that even looking at things from an unbiased point of view, a fit and in form Shoaib Akhtar is quicker and more lethal than a fit and in form Brett Lee. But the tragedy is that whereas Lee is in the prime of his career, spearheading Australia’s fearsome pace attack, Shoaib is almost like a forgotten entity, a “has been” whose suicidal attitude has been the reason for many frustrations and disappointments suffered by the PCB and Pakistani fans.

What is even more ludicrous is whether this ban, which effectively prevents Shoaib from playing for Pakistan for 5 years, actually makes any material difference. We have seen so less of Shoaib that now we all have learned to disregard him from our recent and prospective playing XI’s. Would Shoaib have turned over a new leaf and concentrated so much on his fitness and attitude that he would have actually represented Pakistan in the near future, say for instance, in the forthcoming Asia Cup? The answer probably is a “no”.

The PCB is definitely to be blamed and we have all vented our frustrations out on the PCB on copious occasions. But the fact is, that Nasim Ashraf was right today when he said that no one is above the game. This is something Shoaib has still not understood. The fact also is that the PCB, like every other powerful organisation in Pakistan, features rampant corruption, abuse of power, friction between responsible administrators and morally bankrupt managers who are more interested in inexorably holding on to their positions of power without actually serving the game and the Pakistani public. And saddening as its sounds, the fact is also that PCB is not the richest cricket board in the world and in terms of techniques of man management and coaching (amongst other things) does not compare with the clout and resources of Cricket Australia or England Cricket Board. The cricketers who have brought fame and glory to the country like Imran Khan, Miandad, Wasim and Waqar etc were all natural talents who benefited little if anything from the resources or management PCB could bestow upon them. All of these players had problems with attitude and discipline. But unlike Shoaib they all had remarkably long careers, and all of them considered serving the country and the game of cricket above everything else.

In conclusion, Shoaib Akhtar has been an enormous waste of potential. His stubbornness and innate refusal to acknowledge his attitude problem has constantly shamed him and his country. The fact that despite being one of the most talented bowlers the world has ever seen, he has represented Pakistan so little, has brought incalculable despair to his fans. Once a hero, a role model and icon for every young male in Pakistan, Shoaib is now perceived as a villain, as someone who is almost like a traitor to the country. Perhaps the most potent indication of Shoaib’s suicidal, devastating stubbornness, is his statement today to the press where he has refused to acknowledge that he lacks commitment, where he has said that he was “deeply hurt” by his demotion in the central contracts category although he earlier stated otherwise, saying that it does not matter to him whether he is contracted by the PCB or not as he is uninterested in the money, and also where he has blamed some “vested interest” for this ban. This shows us that he has still not learned his lesson and he will probably never learn his lesson. But it shouldn’t matter anyway, because we probably won’t see him representing Pakistan again!

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BANNING SHOAIB AKHTAR IS NOT JUSTICE………….By Javed A Khan

The Rawalpindi Express started shunting in the backyards of the Rawalpindi railway station and appeared for public (made his debut) on November 29, 1997 and that was against the West Indies.

On his debut, he did not impress many, nor anyone raised an eyebrow or expressed the expression of an Express Train to give him that nickname. His run up was definitely a very long one, longer than that of a goods train. But, he presented his real credentials to the world when he clean bowled Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid with two consecutive deliveries at the Eden Gardens. A star is born, he shot to stardom.

It was from that occasion this express train started to fly like a plane. But, no one knew whether it was a plane or a bird? His star status inflated his huge ego like a hot air balloon and started drifting. His only ambition was to hit the deck hard generate pace and to break the 100 mph barrier and join the supersonic club, that was too ambitious and meaningless.

Had he remained focused on the line and length rather than sheer speed, he would have been a different bowler. Right from the beginning he considered himself above all the past heroes like Imran Khan, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younus, he openly challenged all, and self proclaimed himself to be the best bowler Pakistan has ever produced.

His bowling speed and his big mouthing drew a lot of attention from the media and some of the stories were hyped up and spiced up to make it look more juicy, he didn’t realize that it could do more harm than any good. As the media was hyping up his stories others were focusing on his hyper-extension and his bowling action. He was called a chucker and had to go through the process of clearing himself from the bio-mechanic experts in Australia.

That was not the ending. But, just the beginning of his other problems and injuries. All fast bowlers go through this phase of injuries and stress and injuries related to stress. But, Shoaib was more prone to injuries than stress and mainly it was because of his long run up and he vowed not to shorten his run up, by saying how can a Jumbo Jet fly if it doesn’t run? With his low stamina and burnt up energy level he wasn’t a jumbo jet but, a mere glider. Some say that his slower ones and indippers were to cover his lack of stamina and speed.

To compensate for the lost level of energies in his system he breached the law and took Nandrolone which resulted in a two year ban and not him alone, he pulled and dragged Mohammad Asif’s leg along in that drug scandal. He had problems with Bob Woolmer and Inzamam and then he had problems with Mohammad Asif and Shahid Afridi, he had problems with the selectors and the media.

Most importantly what he did not realize is he had a problem within himself. He lost his focus in the game long time ago and he was always involved in controversies and conflicts and remained a rogue on foreign tours by not adhering to the rules and on disciplinary grounds he was even sent back and suspended. Now, he is banned for 5 years.

Despite all what he did, I don’t think the PCB did the right thing in banning him for 5 years and on what charges? Showing indiscipline? What did he do? He reacted in front of the media that he is unhappy with the PCB for demoting him or reducing the amount of his central contract. Is that a crime? At the time of raising his voice in public about his demotion, he was not even on the PCB’s pay-roll (central contracts) but, lesser retainer basis, the offer he did not accept.

Secondly, what kind of democracy is practiced in Pakistan and in particular in the cricket world that a player is not allowed to speak against any injustice?

In Pakistan, the two ex- Prime Ministers and their families were sent in exile on charges of murder and corruption. After 8 years they are back again to rule the country. And who brought them back? The people of Pakistan! Now, there is all the possibility that the new government will intervene in Shoaib’s case and he will come back. And, it is time Nasim Ashraf will take a one way ticket to the US.

 

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  1. #1 by Abdul ( Pakistan odi squad) on April 2, 2008 - 9:24 AM

    It’s another extrodinary twist in Shoaib’s career which caught the headlines on cricinfo today and even reached the BBC news this morning.

    We all know that Shoaib’s career has been surrounded by controversy over conduct and discipline both on and off the field. We all know that on many occasions Shoiab has been able to escape the punishment than pay the penealty.
    The drugs scandal, Asif’s thigh are a few of the incidents were we thought we would see the end of Shoiab but yet he let of the hook.

    Shoiab said that he will appeal to the court and looking at the facial expression from the pictures uploaded above this thread Shoiab seems confident of regaining his place and authority. But shorly Pakistan can’t let him of this time. I am sick and tired of this indisciplined childish behaviour which doesn’t allow Pakistan to mentain a strategy and plan for the future appropiatley. So I hope the board firmly stamp there authority and ban Shoiab permanently.

    I hope the say this statemnt clearly without any regrets that Shoiab can appear in Pakistani colours again ” bye shoiab have a relaxing retirement”.

  2. #2 by khansahab on April 2, 2008 - 10:13 AM

    Abdul,

    I agree to your comments. In fact PCB should have banned Shoaib a long time ago. His presence in the squad stresses out the PCB and other players because he is always involving himself in tussles and controversies. He affects the team morale in such a way that Pakistan is better off without him.

    The PCB’s fault in my opinion is negligible because all other players also have to contend with PCB, Shoaib is not a unique case. Plus the board always has to be above the player, the player is the employee of the board and should respect the board no matter what happens.

  3. #3 by Rehan Khan on April 2, 2008 - 4:50 PM

    Interesting comments from blog authors. It is a sad time for Pakistan cricket because a match winner has been banned. Khansahab and Javed Khan are both making valid arguments, but I think PCB should have deal with Shoaib as a “special case”. They never punished him for right penalty, either he was over punished or under punished.

    I hope the new Pakistan govt gets rid of DNA & CO.

  4. #4 by Awas on April 2, 2008 - 5:26 PM

    All have made some valid and good points here. It’s difficult to disagree.

    It’s about time for Shoaib to head for Bollywood and take up the acting career that he always so desired.

    I do wonder however with the change of Government, the current PCB management’s days are also numbered and anything is possible. The new Government has already withdrawn Zardari’s Swiss case.

    So we might see ‘Return of the Jedi’ once again which would be a joke though. Khansahab is right here. He is more of a detriment to Pak cricket than of any good but what a waste of talent and everyone’s hopes.

  5. #5 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 3, 2008 - 6:03 AM

    PCB and Shoaib both deserve each other.

    Shame on both of them, for bringing all the bad name to Pakistan.

    On the brighter side though, India are all out for only 76 in 20 overs, within the first session of day one of their second test against South Africa.

    Finally, something to cheer about for the Paki fans 😉

  6. #6 by Osman Ali Khairi on April 3, 2008 - 10:17 AM

    Well well, it’s my old friends from Pak spin !: )

    It goes without saying but you guys are doing a splendid job ! Hats off Awas, Javed A. Khan, Khan Sahab and the entire lot behind this. Keep it up guys.

    As for the cricket scene, things are only getting worse. Nasim Ashraf, ugh. What a retard. Lack of transparency, gross mismanagement, humiliation at the international level and nepotism are some of the essential traits that characterize his tenure. And come to think of it, it’s reminiscent of all the political parties that ruled us in the 90s. Of course, they’re now all back. All under the umbrella of ‘democracy is the best revenge’ or whatever the fuck that was. Ugh. What a load of baloney. The reason I bring this up is essentially because my intuition says that IF Nasim Ashraf is fired from him position, he shall be back 10 years down the line, in true Pakistani fashion, to eff us some more. It’s um how we function as a society.

    Anyhow, for the time being, this is what I think:

    Musharraf should shoot Nasim Ashraf and should be given a pride of performance award for this munificent act.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 3, 2008 - 2:23 PM

    Since the time Shoaib’s ban has been announced in the press a lot of things have happened within the next 48 hours.

    First Shoaib was dejected and then his fans supported him, cheered him and carried him on his shoulders and the hope of making money from the IPL games must have been at the back of his mind, so he was happy and pleased. Then he announced his intentions of suing the PCB and fighting till the end.

    Obviously, he announced this after his supporters – some of them newly elected political leaders – wanted to gain some media attention through this episode. And it is also expected that the newly elected government will do something in his favour because they too want to divert public attention from what they actually are doing in the parliament or what their future plans are about. So, this is a nice way of distracting the people and keeping them busy in something else.

    Although the PCB has banned Shoaib for 5 years but it has cleared him from playing in the IPL matches, but Mr. I.S. Bindra has announced that he will not accept Shoaib until and unless the ban is lifted or he is cleared by the PCB. That must be hurting Shoaib in his nuts and butts.

    The other funny thing that came out of the Pandora’s Box is the DNA statement i.e., to sue Shoaib Akhtar. This is FUNNY. Its really very funny. The word suing is way beyond my comprehension, I cannot even imagine how this idiot Nasim Ashraf can even think of saying such a thing in public?

    Nasim Ashraf should have punished Shoaib when he deserved the punishment i.e., at that time when he hit Asif in SA, he should have got a life ban. But he let him go away with a slap on his wrist. Now, when Shoaib wasn’t even on the pay-roll of the PCB i.e., after the central contracts expired, the PCB offered him less salary and that too, on a retainer basis to which he declined to sign the contract, hence he was not obliged to adhere to the laws.

    His speaking against PCB’s injustice in public is not a crime and it is outside the jurisdiction of the PCB. To ban him for 5 years and now this farcical move to sue Shoaib for a few million dollars is ridiculous, stupid and laughable. Shoaib’s 5 year ban is an illegal move, so on what grounds Nasim Ashraf going to sue him?

    This reminds me of a story:
    In a jungle, even Lion the King of the jungle was not allowed to harm anyone without providing a valid reason. One day he spots a baby lamb down the stream and goes to him and says, “I wanna eat you “the lamb replies, my lord you have to provide a valid reason to justify your act.” The lion said, “I am hungry.” The lamb replied ‘well, we all are hungry and thats not a valid reason.’

    The lion thought for a moment and then he said, “I am the king of the jungle and you are dirtying my water in the stream.” The lamb looked around and replied, ‘no my lord, I was down the stream and you were up the stream, actually you’ve dirtied my water and this is not a valid reason either.’

    The lion was confused and thought a little more then he said: “yes this time you are right. But, last year you were up the stream and I was down the stream, do you remember?” The lamb humbly replied, “My lord, last year I wasn’t even born.”

    Anyways, Shoaib is not a lamb or, a sheep or an angel. He is a burden in the team, a rogue player, a bad fish in the pond, a bad example for the youngsters. His ban will have no effect on the team’s performance, in fact they will be better off without him. But, the way the PCB has handled this issue, Shoaib is bound to come back to terrorize and torture everyone with his dirty politics and trivial ambitions.

    If Nasim Ashraf won’t resign, the Pakistani people are famous to ouster their heroes by decorating them with garlands made out of old and smelly shoes.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 3, 2008 - 2:36 PM

    Osman Khairi & Mohammad Munir

    Welcome to L S you don’t have to hesitate in writing with the fear of speaking anything against anyone and there is no limit on words and characters. So, you can write, express your feelings freely. It doesn’t mean we will stop writing on Pak Spin. That will continue and we will have a blast there and a blast here, i.e., if you wanna do that ………… like Munir has already done. And this blog does not slumber on comments, we have khansahab who keeps the blog on the roll.

    Osman its good to see you finally. I shall be writing to you an email soon, until then keep this blog alive.

    Best regards to ALL.

  9. #9 by Awas on April 3, 2008 - 3:37 PM

    At last Osman Ali Khairi joins us as well. It’s wonderful. We are really pleased, as Javed A Khan said earlier, to have you here along with others. I wouldn’t repeat what Javed said as he conveyed the thoughts of all three of us. So, welcome!

    We have been passing subtle hints on Cricinfo blogs for the regulars and others to join us but we were disappointed that many have ignored our hints. So, how did you stumble upon LS Osman?

  10. #10 by theossa, Pittsburgh, U.S.A. on April 3, 2008 - 6:58 PM

    Guys! I didn’t know you all are that passionate about cricket, a good shock anyway. Well let me introduce myself first, my original name is Inam Khan and I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania suburbs. I’m 29 years old. By profession I’m Transportation Engineer and work for U.S. Department of Transportation. I’m good at Maths and stink at English, literature, poetry etc. My hobbies are travel, hunting, fishing, videogames, and hanging out with friends. I’m usually very busy doing something but I do check cricket blogs during my breaks while working. I rarely use Internet while at home because I’m married and my wife, who is local, is outgoing person. I guess that’s it, in a nutshell.
    Cricket affairs in Pak are getting ridiculous, like Awas pointed out, this looks like a puppet show fooling around us as the audience and will just bring more embarrassment to Pakistan. Dr. Ashraf should be dispatched to where he belongs, New Jersey (if he takes Shoaib Malik and Kamran Akmal with him, he’ll get my blessings). He’s been keep proving that he lacks leadership, no clue on crisis management or posses’ conventional wisdom (Sounds like any other leadership in Pakistan). Only this time he dug himself a big of a hole he can’t get out. On the positive note, we’ll get rid of current administration so the whole fiasco will at least yield something that we direly desire.
    I disagree on you guys on one point though; Shoaib hitting Asif with the bat is not that big of a deal to me. When there are guys, there will be testosterone, tempers will flare, and there will be fights. This is common in every sport and issues like these should not be made public. I also don’t buy the notion of no sledging in cricket, cricket is a physical sport and there is nothing gentle about it. Why cricketers have to be such wussies? What I don’t like about Shoaib is his disregard for rules and discipline. Even if he is reinstated I doubt there will be any change in his behavior. So how you’re going to deal with him? Also, he can never achieve fitness, not because he is not working hard or partying too much, which I think is a personal matter, but due to the fact that in sports athlete like him are called “Injury Prone” and they have a tendency to get injuries more often than others. It’s just the physical make up of some athletes.

  11. #11 by Awas on April 3, 2008 - 7:26 PM

    With all this thriller being played on Pakistani stage, I forgot to realise that there was Badshahs’ semi-final which they won. Their score of 182 first up was a good one. Five batsmen chipped in with good scores but all blow 50 with Imran Nazir scoring the highest 42 but the best one was Azhar Mahmood’s 24 in 8 balls. That useless arrogant Farhat was out again for 0.

    Kolkata did well with 175 in chasing but even Klusner with his knock of 91 couldn’t help them cross the line.

    Can Badshahs 100% record so far see them through all the way?

  12. #12 by khansahab on April 3, 2008 - 8:37 PM

    A big thank you to Osman Ali and Theossa for commenting!

    Welcome to LS- we were trying hard to get hold of learned Pakspin bloggers. It seems we have met with some success 🙂

    We are honoured to have the likes of Osman Ali, Theossa, Mohammad Munir and Mabsoos Ahmad with us. It is guys like you who played a huge part making Pakspin the most visited commercially-managed blog in the world. With your wishes and support we can make Legslip reach greater heights!

  13. #13 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 3, 2008 - 8:40 PM

    theossa – Inam Khan welcome to the blog called L S. Taking the liberty to quote your words: “When there are guys, there will be testosterone, tempers will flare, and there will be fights… let me first extend my apologies for the earlier petite row between the two of us on Pak Spin. That was a misunderstanding on my part!

    About cricket, yes we are a wee bit passionate about cricket and thats why you see us on the cricket blogs. Awas and khansahab will write you about themselves but, I am going to blab a little bit about myself. Although I have written a few things about myself in my profile on this blog but, it doesn’t show up due to whatever reasons I don’t know.

    I am also a very out door person and from what you wrote about yourself there are at least two things that are common between us and i.e., hunting and fishing. And khansahab has briefly mentioned about my hobbies in the “contact us” section so, you can see that I am interested in cooking as well and the most enjoyable part of my cooking is outdoors i.e., BBQ in general and especially when it is overnight camping when we go on-shore fishing.

    Its been a long time I haven’t gone for trolling and I used to do that in Dubai. It used to be very safe over there, mackerel, tuna and grouper are the most common fish there and mackerel used to give a good fight, of course not like Blue Marlin (which I dream to go one day) still good enough to excite you. Same is the case about hunting because, here the weather does not permit and during the summer I have a lot of commitments and I am busy. Just for chaska, sometimes I go to shooting clubs and spend a day skeet shooting and clay pigeon shooting. But, without friends its no fun. There are a very few people here who like hunting, fishing or skeet shooting. In Pakistan I used to go for partridge shooting, duck shooting and Phara hunting.

    As regards Shoaib Akhtar, I have neither any liking nor any kinda hatred towards him, he is just a bilighter who has ruined his own life. The irony is it is effecting other players and their career and that is bad. Whether he comes back or not is a separate issue (the chances are he will) but, he should not be playing test cricket for sure. May be he is OK for ODI, but not for twenty 20.

    I was surprised to hear from so many who used to oppose the idea of removing Shoaib Malik from captaincy are now demanding that he should be out of the team! This is a 180 degree turn in their thinking pattern.

    Indian players played like school boys against the pace of Steyn and Makhaya and were all out for 76 is it the Tendulkar factor? There was a time Pakistan team used to play like this without Inzamam.

    Awas you are right about Farhat, he has more arrogance than talent whereas, Imran Nazir has talent but no brains. I am afraid this new kid Nasir Jamshed is following the same pattern. He should use his brains. If he gets out cheaply a few times, he will be gone with the wind. Lets see how Pakistan plays BD.

  14. #14 by Awas on April 3, 2008 - 8:53 PM

    Theossa

    We are so glad to hear from you. It was really nice of you to tell us a little bit about you as well. That tells me you are a forthright and honest person. We do like your comments and I have been reading them on Pak Spin with interest. You are often more logical than most. I have been passing subtle hints in the past for people to come over and comment here as well, as we have no restrictions here. On Pak Spin we often get censored and deleted. A couple of threads ago, I posted this comment below but it never appeared due to censorship. It’s self-explanatory. So here it goes:

    theossa, Pittsburgh, U.S.A.

    I can’t agree more that some posts have been “just provocative and inflammatory”. At the end of it all, with their childish jingoism, they expose their “level” (or lack of it) of maturity. I once misunderstood you for another person who had been changing colours in different guises but soon realised that that was just ‘a case of mistaken identity’. So my apologies if I offended you once.

    No doubt we will discuss further. Feel free to discuss anything here or email (see ‘contact us’) any of us you like on our email addresses.

  15. #15 by hamza on April 3, 2008 - 9:36 PM

    good to see people coming here from pakspin.

    this is a big joke with nasim ashraf. it doesnt matter if he as “extorted” money from pakistani cricketers (he might be the “mr eleven percent” of pakistan cricket :-), he should resign now. he should have resigned a long time ago.

    i just read javed a khan’s comment on pakspin about the level of punishment. i will agree with mr khan because shoaib should have suffered a bigger penalty for hitting asif and afridi. the world laughed while he just got away with a small penalty. it seems this is a problem of personal vendetta between DNA and shoaib.

    what a waste of talent shoaib has been, rightly said by the site managers.i wonder if the new kid on the block sohail khan can prove to be the next shoaib?

  16. #16 by hamza on April 3, 2008 - 9:52 PM

    ive got this little feeling that lahore badshahs might lose the final after being so brilliant the whole tournament.

    does anyone agree with me? i wonder if pakistani players will be able to keep up with the pressure of the final………………….

  17. #17 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 3, 2008 - 10:53 PM

    Hamza………. I am sure Lahore Bad-Shahs will win the final.

    Pakistani players lose only when they are playing for PCB/ Pakistan, but the Lahore Bad-Shahs are neither playing for PCB nor for Pakistan. So their motivational force is pure ‘money’, as such they will WIN. Plus they have a point or two to prove to the PCB.

    As they say, ‘revenge is a dish, best served when cold’.

    This site is already rocking…. and its nice to see some familiar name around. We would have loved the ‘Nouk-Jhounk’ and ‘in-your-face’ style of Javed Khan/ Khan Saheb and Awas, but they have all joined the same team ‘Leg-Slip’, so they are not playing against each other on this ‘wicket’.

    On the “Shoaib Vs PCB” case, Dr. Naseem Ashraf, it seems, have totally lost his ‘what-ever-was-left-of-it’ brain. Ten Crores…… hmm, I wonder how much will it be in US Dollars 😉

    Javed Khan, Khan Saheb and Awas ………………. ‘Tussi Great Ho’.

  18. #18 by Rehan Khan on April 4, 2008 - 12:35 AM

    WOW enter the Pakspin crew!

    Nice to see the new faces.

    Yes i agree how stupid the whole situation is. Shoaib and DNA are playing a childish tug of war, to be honest I didnt expect Shoaib to come up with this type of allegation. Meanwhile Shahrukh Khan owner of Kolkota Knight Riders (what a silly name) will talk to BCCI people to allow Shoaib to play IPL. I think they will accept the King Khans request.

    Now the PCB is getting involved in this mess, this will impact the Bangladesh series because it will be mismanaged. I hope this coming series can provide series entertainment for the fans because this incident with Shoaib has impacted on everyones morale very badly.

    I saw Younis Khan’s century against the SGNPL team in ABN AMRO Cup, what a superb knock! He played fearlessly and attacked the good bowling attack really well.

  19. #19 by Abdul ( Pakistan odi squad) on April 4, 2008 - 10:10 AM

    Javed A Khan,

    I have yet to speak to u on this site. I like your enthusiasm and dedication to cricket and have been a regular reader of your views on many cricket sites.
    What du u think of me as a blogger?
    What are your opinions on the ICL?

    feel free to contact me

  20. #20 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 4, 2008 - 11:20 AM

    This site is really “rocking”.

    The only thing we miss here is the ‘Nouk-Jhounk’ and the ‘in-your-face’ style of writing of Javed Khan, Khan Sahab and Awas 😉

    Great going for the Lahore ‘Bad-Shahs’ @ ICL.

    I am sure, Lahore Bad-Shahs will win the final too, because, unfortunately, Pakistani players play bad only for the PCB. As Lahore Bad-Shahs are neither playing for the PCB nor representing Pakistan, so their motivational force is pure money, plus they have a point or two to prove to the PCB. So they will perform out of their skin and will win the final of ICL.

    ICL’s next event is a triangular series between Pakistan Players/ Indian Players and Rest of the World Players, and its dates are clashing with the IPL schedules. This Kapil guy is not going to go down easily 🙂

    On the other side of the border, I guess this thing called, Dr. Naseem Ashraf has totally lost his, ‘whatever-was-left-it’, brain.

    Hmmm…… Rupees 100 Millions ……. I wonder how much will it be in US Dollars in his overseas account 😉

    Javed A. Khan, Khan Sahab and Awas ………… Tussi Great Ho !!

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 4, 2008 - 12:07 PM

    Munir

    Thanks for the positive comments about the blog. As regards noke jhonk there is enough time for that we will do that when it comes to but currently we are doing all that on Pak Spin as well. You must have noticed Martin Hooka and Sachin’s exhaust fan’s comments and my retorts to them. But, I am waiting for people like Euceph Ahmad and Ashaq to join us here. We don’t have restrictions here so it will be fun to have them here.

    I am not watching any of the ICL games because I haven’t taken that package so I won’t be able to comment on that besides, cricinfo does not cover that in detail due to obvious reasons. However, over here on LS we do have the link but, like I’ve said, I didn’t see it on TV so I am not that keen. Although the India / SA test series is on and last night I only saw it in bits and bobs and lost interest because number one its a boring test match, secondly its a total one sided affair so far. It is very obvious that India has lost this match on the first day itself when they were all out on 76 and now the writing is on the wall, loud and clear.

    Abdul

    Thanks for the comments but what am I supposed to say to answer your question about what I think about you as a blogger? Actually, it never occur to me that I should think anything about you. Unless you are asking me to praise you then its like you scratch my back and I scratch yours. But, you know I don’t do that. As regards your other question about ICL I have just mentioned something about it above.

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 4, 2008 - 12:25 PM

    THE NEWS
    Match-fixing in cricket
    ICC wants anti-corruption unit to talk to Shoaib.

    Shoaib Akhtar now in deep shit! Thats what happens when you open your big mouth without thinking. Even if the new government in Pakistan lifts the ban and reinstates Shoaib Akhtar, he may not be able to prove that DNA asked him to pay him 10% or whatever from his fees as his cut for playing in the IPL/ICL.

    “The ICC Code of Conduct states that players are required to report any approach made to them by a bookmaker or any other corrupt approach to their captain, team manager, a senior board official or to the Anti-Corruption and Security Unit. Failing to do so could lead to ban of up to five years.” So, either way Shoaib is a gonner now.

    Like Awas has expressed his views on PS that it is a very serious allegation from Shoaib and it would be hard for him to prove it and substantiate his claims to justify his blabbing. It is not one of those casual comments that you say and then you retract your comments later, or you say I am sorry it was a slip of the tongue, it is indeed a very serious allegation. I don’t think Nasim Ashraf is that stupid to ask him for a 10% cut like that original Mr. 10%.

  23. #23 by Abdul (ICL ANALYSIS) on April 4, 2008 - 1:34 PM

    Lance Klusner’s 91 was in vain as the Lahore Badshads claimed a 7 run victory to join the Hyderbad Heroes in the grand final.The Badshads have been outstanding in every department and undefeatable throughout the competetion and are firm favourites to win the tournament.

    With the valid amount of experience and talent this team has i’m certain that the Badshads can beat the current Pakistan team, I only wish they were. The whole of Pakistan is cheering the badshads on and regarding they win the best of three finals commencing on Sunday they will make the PCB look like fools for rejecting them in the first place.

    COME ON U BADSHADS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. #24 by theossa on April 4, 2008 - 3:30 PM

    First of all thank you all for a very warm welcome, I’m flattered. Javed and Awas, don’t even mention the little banter we had; I didn’t think much of that otherwise I won’t be on this site. A trait being Pushtoon, It doesn’t take long or much for me to get fired up but I don’t dwell on anything. I’m among the people who are not that sensitive.
    Awas, I do read all of your posts. The unique aspect of your posts is your strong observation and opinions. You are not one of those fellas who’ll read something and wrap their opinion around it. Actually, it was you who prompted me to check this site. Hey I used to have a 94 Supra. It was a good tool to woe girls))) (there is some connection between sports car and girls). Now I just switch Accords.
    Khansahab, it’s truly a shocker that you’re just a 21 year old kid! You seem way smarter than your age, dynamic, and probably nuts about cricket. Cricket actually is my second priority after American Football. I enjoyed the Imran era and early 90s era when I was young and I think that was the golden era of Pak cricket. Since then I lost most of my interest in cricket but I do watch major series involving Pak. I settled in U.S. at the age of 22 and I perhaps left a part of me in Pak which I seek in sites like these or Pak Spin.
    Javed, I enjoy your posts and you’re probably the most enthusiastic and passionate writers of them all. I did think you were rusty and I doubted that, it was you. Reading your hobbies and activities you do enjoy your life and man it’s all fun. Well, I go deer and Turkey hunting. I do Turkey hunting with bow and arrow while I use telescopic 30 30 for deer. I just do fresh water fishing as we don’t have any ocean nearby but we do have some good fishing streams and lakes. Trout season starts here on April 12. Lake fishing is mostly bass. Some of our folks also go to Canada for trout and ice fishing. Thanks for clearing up that cooking hobby of yours)))) you mentioned in your profile you like poetry and cooking, that mad me a little suspicious.
    Well, looks like we’ll get rid of both Shoaib and DNA. Both of them are on self destruction. I don’t know about the Bangladesh series, it will only benefit BD. I remember times when Imran took the Pakistani team to West Indies on every opportunity he got. We imported their skills while WI declined. Later, Sri Lanka took on every opportunity to play Pak, they become world champions and we sunk. I remember some mighty Sri Lankan players had no answers for Wasim Akram, with bouncers from good length, very hard to adjust to. So go figure what gonna happen if we play teams like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. The only positive thing I can think of is; we can test some youngsters.
    Munir and Abdul, it’s pleasing to hear some Pakistani, Lahore Badshahs, who are performing well in some form. Unfortunately, I can’t watch the games because of time difference and I like it live. But I still think an ICL, IPL merger is unavoidable.

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 4, 2008 - 7:45 PM

    theossa

    good to see a detailed response from you, I will write to you more about my hobbies separately thru email as it may sound more like boasting and may be I may sound a bit crazy and weird if I talk about my hunting and fishing sagas.

    Back home my dad used to have a Holland & Holland, a 320 bore Mauser and a 375 magnum besides there was a .22 telescopic repeater CZC. The irony is here I don’t have any, not even an air gun. I have no intentions of taking a license. But, I do have good fishing gear and since you have mentioned about ice fishing its really fun. A lot of people are scared to go but winter here is so severe that the ice is like a rock. As regards fast cars, I have a volvo R60 T5 which has a 305 hp engine and it does 0-100 km in 5.4 sec. If I buy another car I have to replace my volvo with a Subaru Imprezza WRX Sti that is some car.

    I am in a rush now, I will write more on cricket sometime later, have a nice week-end to ALL.

  26. #26 by Mabsoos Ahmad on April 5, 2008 - 12:32 PM

    Javed A. Khan has outlined a beautiful note on Shoaib and I have no choice but to agree that the ban is not the answer of his indiscipline. It is the total failue of administration. This is where a good management is needed. The management failed and such a shamful incident has happened. It is time to dissolve this board and involve people who know cricket so that they could avoid such a contest between cricket board and the player.

    It is not the first time the Board has done silly thing. Asif -Shoaib saga, drug issue, vice captaincy issue, Bob Woolmer issue and a lot of other issues where they were unable to handle the crisis.

    It is time for the former players to come forward and save the dignity of the nation for the sake of betterment of cricket, otherwise people will not fogive them as well.

    We, all know, that the country is above for everything but the way punishment is being handed over to the cricketer is not right. It could have been handled in a better way by discussions and communication. Neither Shoaib is clean not Doctor, who is just operating everything without proper medicine. It is now quite obvious that cricket is not going in the right direction at least in Pakistan at this moment.

  27. #27 by Awas on April 5, 2008 - 12:50 PM

    SA won the 2nd test in three days, inflicting an innings defeat to India. The writing was on the wall after India’s poor batting in the 1st innings. So, no surprises there.

    The most interest part for me was SA declaring their innings overnight and putting India into bat straight away first thing in the morning. That was a bold step. Had it been India they would have continued to bat and bat.

    As I said in the previous thread, in the first test, after the departure of Sehwag and Dravid’s 100 there was no need for India to continue batting. That only happened because of India’s defensive mindset. The aggressive step would have been to declare straight away after that and let SA decide on a declaration. Taking a bold step like that is what aggression means in cricket not tit for tat bad mouthing the Aussies. And as I said before, there is no doubt that non-subcontinent teams are learning fast how to play on these pitches and winning.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 5, 2008 - 8:07 PM

    Awas

    I saw the last one hour of the test match and 4 wickets fell during that period. Pathan once again remained not out in the second innings, it goes to prove that he is an accomplished all-rounder but the way he is treated is really sad. Tendulkar has once again been declared unfit for the third test. Its time the little master should retire. I know a lot of people will disagree with this point but there is always a time to retire gracefully and that we don’t see much among the Indians. Kapil Dev, Gavaskar in the past now Ganguly, Tendulkar, Laxman, Kumble and Dravid all going through the same phase of going and going and going like the last drop of the coffee.

    There is nothing much going on these days except Shoaib Actor’s drama which has also subsided because of his own stupidities, idiosyncrasies and serendipities. Probably some of you must be waiting for tomorrow’s Badshah vs. whoever, I am not following that ICL series.

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 6, 2008 - 6:09 AM

    The latest news is A bomb blast killed 12 people in Sri Lanka including one of their Ministers.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7332952.stm

    So, there should be NO cricket match there?
    Asia Cup should not be played there?
    What has the ICC got to say about this?

    I would like to hear the views of experts on this issue. Because:
    There are terrorists ONLY in Pakistan
    Bomb blasts takes place ONLY in Pakistan
    Pakistan is the most dangerous place on earth, right?

    So, what are the going to say now?

  30. #30 by Abdul (ICL ANALYSIS) on April 6, 2008 - 5:52 PM

    The Hyderabad Heroes beat the Lahore Badshads in a bowl out. Rana Naved claimed 5 wickets including a 3 wicket over and a two wicket last over to put the Badshads back into the game and take the game to the nailbitting bowl out stage.But when it came to the bowl out stages he,Latif and Mahmood all missed while the Hyderabad Heroes held there nerve and hit and when Chris Harris took the last wicket the Heroes erupted with joy and jubilance. While Inzamam and the badshads were down on the floor in disbelief and frustration. They were gutted having played so awesomely throughout the tournament they failed when it most mattered at the last hurdle. What a competitive thrilling game of cricket and what a tournament. The second edition of the ICL has been a sounding success. Unlucky to the Badshads who were awesome overall and congratulations to the Heroes the winners of the ICL 08.

  31. #31 by Awas on April 6, 2008 - 7:36 PM

    Abdul

    I could only see the first half of that match. It was not a good batting performance from the Badshahs. It’s a shame they lost at the shoot out. It’s looking like a Pakistani jinx now. Having played well and remained unbeaten throughout they were not good in the finals but the match was a thriller.

  32. #32 by khansahab on April 6, 2008 - 9:05 PM

    Looks like we will have to give credit to Hamza, who had a “little feeling” the Badshahs might lose. I agree with Awas that it did look like a “Pakistani jinx”. I thought Hasan Raza should have been played instead of Naved Latif. Hasan was a crucial player in this tournament and played some key knocks for Badshahs. Even though Latif is a good player, Hasan proved to be the backbone of Badshahs on a few occasions in this tournament. I was personally disappointed with Inzamam this tournament although whenever he played well, he looked as fit and in form as ever. This is one of the reasons why I have never considered Inzamam in the league of players like Ponting, Tendulkar or Dravid- his consistency has sometimes been alarming really.
    I know Twenty20 is not Inzi’s forte but I still expected more from him.

    I have already given my comments on Shoaib Akhtar in the article above so I will refrain from going over the same topic again.

    About India’s defeat, it came as a shocker. The Indians looked completely lost and without a plan. To be honest I felt complacency was a huge factor. I have earlier complained that Indians and Pakistanis are too prone to becoming complacent whenever they benefit from a good run. However credit has to be given to South Africa for exposing the flaws of the Indian batting line up and taking full advantage of the pitch conditions.
    India will obviously want to make some adjustments in their line up. In my opinion formulating a strategy to combat pace will help more than switching the players around. India was playing 5 specialist bowlers in this match and obviously they won’t play an extra pacer because that would affect the batting too much. So what they should do is replace RP Singh with Ishant Sharma. In my view the choice lies between RP and Pathan, and in the light of Pathan’s decent batting performance in the last match, I would vote to retain Pathan for the third test.

  33. #33 by Pandit Surya Prakash Diwakar Tripathi on April 7, 2008 - 2:43 AM

    Pandit Ji ka sab ko saadar namaste or salaam.

    Mitron (friends) or bhaiyon . Aap logon ne kya mahol bandha hai. Waah waah , Waah Waah !! Bahut bahut badhaiyan. Kal maloom hua ke ek naya blaaag khula hai Bharat or Pakistan ke kirkit premiyon ke liye . Bas hum bhi apna thela lagaane ke liye aa gaye. Phichla blaag dekha jo Bharat-SA ke upar tha , likha tha Mahodya Khan Sahab ne , acchha likha , halan ke thora dukh hua jab Bharat haar gaya ya phir yeh kahiye ke pair tale raund diya gaya. Chalo koi baat nahi , naya din aayega or saath me nayi ummeedain laayega.

    Ab baat karte hain Shoiab Bhaiyya ki. Baaaler zabardast tha lekin akal badkismati se thori kam hai bechare ke paas . Sochne se pehle moo phaar deta hai. Aur bolna shuroo karta hai to rukne ka naam nahi , arre bhaiyya fast baaaler hone ka matlab yeh nahi ke sab jagah tezi dekhao. Kuch seekho Brett Bhaiyya se !! Baat yahan khatam nahi hoti , bewakoof hone ke saath saath aadmi bhi thora ghatiya hai . Arre bhai ek meeting bula lete or baat khatam ho jaati. Ban to aaraam se vapas ho jata , lekin nahi sahab , gandgi ucchalna hamara janam sidh adhikar hai or ham uhchaalenge . Jao , aur uchhalo , naak ghis gayi na goo mein. Ab tum IPL mein bhi nahi khel sakte . Yaani ke woh karoron rupaiyon ka sapna bhi bhool jao. Pakistan mein ek sarfaraz kaafi hai tumhaari zaroorat nahi hain. Aur tum ab itne achhe baaaler bhi nahi rahe. Teen bowl phekte ho or bhaisen kee trah haafna chaloo. Tond bahar nikal rahi hai , koolhe bahar nikal rahe hain , aise hi chaloo raha to kuch dino me Ranatunga bhaiyya ko maat de do ge. Aur woh to bichara ballebaz tha jisme tond ke saath bhi kaam chal jaata hai, tum to ek tez baaaler ho.

    Ab aaate hain Ashraf Chacha pe. Ama jao yaar , haath me lo speculum or PAP smear karo. Yeh Kirkit hai bhaiyya, yahan pe sab ko saath me leke chalna parta hai lekin tum sab ko haath me leke chalte ho . Jao apna haath me lo or khush raho.

    Bas filhaal itna hi . Bahla bura maaf karna bhaiyon.

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on April 7, 2008 - 3:45 AM

    Pandit ji

    Aap tou Suriya ki terha Aakash may namoodaar howay aur bhoomi par aisa chamatkaar dikhaye kay Shoaib kay charon tabaq roshan ho gaye!

    Aap kay bhala bura maaf kernay per yaad ayaa, Shoaib ka jaana aisa hai:

    Bhala howa meri gagree phooti
    Bhala howa meri gagree phooti
    Mai Paniya Bharan say choooti
    Meray sar say utra bojh ……….

    Btw, yae Kabir Das ka doha hai and that is just to make you feel at home.

    Anyways, its nice to see you commenting on this blog we welcome you to contribute laikin naykast time zera hath say chor ker OK?

  35. #35 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on April 10, 2008 - 4:01 AM

    Javed Khan ………… You look good in your picutre (if that really is you) 😉

    Khan Sahab ………… You too look good in your picture 😉

    Owais …………. Missing your portrait, Boxer Bhai.

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