Shane Warne Shouldn’t have retired

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The way Shane Warne is leading the Rajhastan Royals has impressed a lot of people and this thread is about him. To quote what our fellow bloggers have said earlier about him: “Shane Warne is probably the best captain of this T20 tournament so far” – and quite right. Aussies often say he is the best captain Australia never had” is absolutely true.

He is not only a world class spinner who threw the towel a tad too early or as people call it a premature decision to retire, is being proved right after seeing him play so well and most importantly leading a young, inexperienced side so well. Mahender Singh Dhoni never played Shane Warne before and it was the first time when he faced the first delivery from him was a shocker for Dhoni, it pitched on the leg stump and zoomed away from Dhoni’s bat and the keeper collected it slightly outside the off-stump. That was some bowling and watching him play like that most people who knew Shane Warne’s ability – especially those who saw his famous “Ball of the Century” which cleaned bowled Mike Gatting must have said, Dhoni would be out the second ball. They were wrong, he was out on the third ball. The much talked about batting genius in Dhoni looked like a novice in front of the maestro of spin bowling.

Warne has inspired, motivated, gelled the team and kept telling the world not to write off their team and today he proved that by defeating the so far best team of the tournament “Chennai Super Kings.” There was no contest whatsoever, it could be due to the superb bowling of Sohail Tanvir who took 6 for 14 in 4 overs but, it was Shane Warne’s leadership who used his bowlers so well.

Going back in the times when Shane Warne was so destructive as a test bowler and what made him quit so early, there is intention of being inquisitive in his private life but, it is the main reason that he wanted to get away from the media focus and wanted to enjoy some privacy. But, its a shame that when you are a celebrity there is no privacy and no private life. You are always under the microscope and telescopes. There is a link below which shows what he wanted to do in his private life for which he had to pay heavily in terms of losing his wife, daughter and ruined his family life.

Whatever he wanted to do in his private life should not be anyone’s concern as long as he is not hitting someone with a bat or not slapping someone on his face it is fine. Although he had some drug related scandals or issues for which, once again he paid a price and was banned for one year. For cricket lovers its a sad thing to see a player being banned especially when he is at his prime. But, seeing him play at the IPL tournament could anyone disagree that he is not at his prime now? I wish him all the best and wish him good luck and success, its up to the bloggers to decide whether they agree with this notion or not.

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  1. #1 by Awas on May 4, 2008 - 11:14 PM

    It is difficult to disagree with this notion, is the short answer here.

    Warne is a legend and will remain so forever. He and another legend McGrath are both looking as they can teach a lesson or two to some of the youngsters. McGrath, for example, showed that he can teach his teammate Mohammad Asif a lesson or two. They both look as they had some time left in them to continue playing for their country.

    I am from that school of thought as well where people believe lifestyle matters shouldn’t come in that way how you perform at “the office” be it cricket or something else. So when the writer mentioned “a premature decision to retire”, I for a second thought he was going to refer to “a premature something else” with his many women ;)-

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2008 - 4:28 AM

    Ha ha ha Awas, I won’t say great minds think alike, I would say ‘fools seldom disagree’ i.e., on your pre-mature disclosure. Because, me too I thought of what you had thought. 🙂

    Although this thread is about Shane Warne, but I would like to write a paragraph or two on the East bound Rawalpindi Express which is now on its tracks after a lot of push and pull from both ends. Push from DNA to show his generosity and to win a moral battle. Pull from the Kolkata Night Riders who after two consecutive defeats in the IPL tournament are now desperately in need of a “Steam-less Locomotive” to push them up the rankings. If you remember in the previous thread I wrote that Ganguly or the owners of the KNR Franchise may not be interested in Shoaib Akhtar but now they have other views after these defeats. So, the cat is finally out of the bag. How predictable!

    They think that with Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar and Ishant Sharma they can be a formidable pace attack and thats what is winning matches. Asif and McGrath or Shane Watson and Tanvir are the examples. So far the fast bowlers have taken close to 60% wickets and that is a proof that twenty20 is about fast bowling and sound batting. Only very experienced spinners like Shane Warne and Murali can trouble and contain the batsmen but its not everyone’s cup of tea. All other spinners have shown sporadic brilliance but no consistency.

    Anyways, back to Shane Warne. Ricky Ponting’s success is mainly due to Shane Warne and Glen McGrath both of them in the team were close to 50% strength of the team. They have always worked out a plan and implemented it very intelligently and consistently. They even played mind games with the opposition by targeting an individual and before the start of the series they used to comment through the media that I am going to target so and so or, so and so has this weakness and I am going to take care of that batsman.

    All those tricks and strategies are a part and parcel of the game but whenever it came to deliver the goods, they were always on the target and that is why Australian team remained at the top of the ICC rankings so long. This doesn’t mean they didn’t have good batsmen but, their bowlers played a major role in their winnings. Like Awas said, he is a legend along with the big pigeon, he will remain one no matter what people may think, say or compare him with Abdul Qadir or Muttaiah Muralitharan, his over all qualities makes him stand high above heads and shoulders from the rest of the crowd.

  3. #3 by abdul on May 5, 2008 - 9:43 AM

    Wow Javed bhai a superb thread and great read. Yes Shane Warne is a man with extrodinary talent both with the ball in his hand and his impressive , inspiring and motivating leadership skills. When he played from Hampshire he really motivated and developed some key players who are now playing for England like K.P, Shaun Udal , Chris Tremlett and Dimitri Masceranus.

    Warne will make a great caoch I’m sure. He is a true pleasure to watch with thoose ripping leg breaks and abundance of variations. And at the begginning of the IPL we all rated Jaipur as underdogs but with with Warne’s fighting spirit they are a team with firepower and have got a reasonable shout at winning the IPL.

  4. #4 by Salman Khan on May 5, 2008 - 11:15 AM

    Apologies in advance for digressing from the topic.

    This is a response to Anoyn’s comment and few other comments from the previous thread.

    I beg your pardon!! There are no real Pathans in India ? Really ??

    What do you know about Pathans from India ? There are places in UP such as Rampur and Shahjahanpur amongst many others which are famous for their Khandani Pathan families. Sahabzada Yaqub Khan , a very well known Political figure in Pakistan in the 80s was a member of the family of the Nawab of Rampur.

    None of the Khans in Bollywood are Nakli Pathans. Salman is the son of Salim Khan who belongs to a Pathan family of Bhopal and migrated to Bombay in the late 60s to try his luck. Aamir’s family has been involved in Film Making from more than half a century . He is the son of Tahir Hussain Khan and nephew of Nasir Hussain Khan (producer and director of numerous hits . A famous movie star of her time was his mistress for many years). Their surname was “Khan” long before it became fashionable .

    Saif’s father is Mansoor Ali Khan (Tiger )Pataudi and his Grandfather was the Nawab of Pataudi Senior , he is a true blue Pathan.

    Shahrukh Khan’s father was also a Pathan from Peshawar.

    Fardeen is Feroz Khan’s son . Fardeen’s grandfather was a Pathan from Afghanistan and his grandmother was from Iran.

    So they became Jaali Pathans because of the way they do Thumkas in movies ?? Movies is their livelihood and unfortunately dancing is an integral part of Bollywod movies. Dileep Kumar has done meny Pelvic Thrusts in his time and he does not become a lesser Pathan by doing that.

    The Filmi Pathans have becaome “unislamised” (pardon the neologism) , I admit . But beleive me that a normal Pathan family of India is not like that.
    For that matter it does not take too long for any Pakistani (Pathan or not) in Bollywood to get unislamised either . There is a fairly long list of past and current Pakistani names ( male and female) in Bollywood and if I start stating their escapades ( or more accurately sexcapades) then this post may need an “A” rating .

    Why am I getting so touchy ? Because my father is an Indian Pathan . I am a Yusuf Zai and my great Grandfather migrated to India to work as an Army Instructor for the Nawab of Rampur. The members of my Father’s clan do not marry in any other caste ( a fact I am not proud of , but nevertheless , a fact) .

    So next time if you see an Indian Pathan , do not mess with him simply because of the prefix. You will be surprised .

  5. #5 by Awas on May 5, 2008 - 12:27 PM

    Salman Khan

    Firstly, you are not transgressing by talking about a different topic. Here we are quite liberal and can talk about many things. We don’t have a very rigid approach.

    I am quite impressed with your educated lesson to the ones who insinuate that there are some Jaali (fake) Pathans in India. May be some but most real ones still hold their traditions and values dear to their heart no matter what. On your mention of UP Pathans, in fact the ancestral family of one of the pioneers’ of this website hails from Rampur.

    If the showbiz lot behaves differently to the ones who are proud of their Pathnness then it’s neither here nor there. Showbiz is a different business. In order to assimilate in that show culture you have to be and act like what is expected of you. A Pathan from Wazirastan fighting a so called Jihad will think and behave differently to all others. That’s why I mentioned Zaat Paat is one thing and has some bearing on you but at the end of the day; you are in the main, product of your own environment. At which point Khansahab elaborated even further.

  6. #6 by Salman Khan on May 5, 2008 - 12:58 PM

    Thanks Awas. It is too late here and I have to be up early so I would not write a long post. I will just say that most of the Pathans are sensitive about their “Pathanism” cos it is a part of one’s identity. If some one asks me a question , “Who are you?” , my answer is usually compartmentalised in 3 sections .


    Pertaining to the above three , any insult (perceived or true) receives a swift(and at times bitter) response.

    So I am not bad. I am , what I am !!

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2008 - 2:08 PM

    Salman Khan

    Its good to see you in action, you are welcome to digress from the subject like Awas said, here we are very liberal and we guarantee your comments are not censored like other blogs.

    First of all the discussion on the Khans was not race, caste or creed related. My response to Munir was in a lighter vein and the phrase “naatay khan and paatay khan” is used not just by me, but so many Pathans in Peshawar they say that and thats because of the fact that these “show-biz Khans” are short (in terms of height) and even their features are not like Pathans.

    This does not mean that Pathans who have been living in India are not real Pathans. Like you are in Australia and some of us are in Canada and the USA, after a generation or two (if we do not care about our future generation) then they will totally integrate and assimilate and may not look like Pathans anymore. I am not saying that I have not integrated, I have learnt the local language which is French, I watch hockey, I go skiing and participate in the local festivals like, “Cabane à sucre du Québec.” I eat Beaver Tails and Poutine. And I intend to send my kids to a French School and want them to be perfect bi-lingual in English and French.

    Integration and assimilation in any culture is good but keeping and maintaining our religion, customs, traditions, values, language, food, music etc., what we call our saqafat is also equally very important and one should not be ashamed of it. After all here we have Italian Canadians, French Canadians, German Canadians, Irish Canadians, Lebanese Canadians, African Canadians, Chinese Canadians etc., and they very proudly display and practice their customs, traditions, values etc., very openly.

    If that is OK, then why should we be ashamed of talking about our own culture and traditions? Most of us don’t give up religious values or religious set of beliefs but, some of us, we practice it either to a lesser degree than what our people in the sub-continent do or, there is a new trend among the new generation who have a bent of mind towards extremism which in my opinion is wrong. I do not wish to discuss this subject due to sensitivity.

    But, you are absolutely right in responding to the comments made by anoyn who simply wanted to annoy some people but, himself he is an ignorant bloke. Because, I know from our forefathers and from the history books that there was a time when the whole world wanted to go to India. It was known as “Sonay ki Chirya” or the golden bird or the goose that lays the golden eggs etc. Right from the days of Alexander (the so-called great) till the end of the British Raj so many dynasties have invaded, conquered and ruled India.

    During the British Raj so many Pashtuns moved from North West towards Delhi, Rampur, Shahjehanpur, Meerut, Bhopal and Hyderabad and served in the armies of the Nawabs and Nizam and what not. Most of them assimilated and integrated in the local culture. With time lifestyles have changed and values have changed so some people do not mind the change but, those who are back there in the NWFP they haven’t changed as much and for them gyrating hips and kulla-shakering or kunati-matkao-ing is not considered as a good thing and that is why Dilip Kumar never used his real name.

    So, the next IPL match is between Punjab XI and Bangalore Royal Challengers and Yuvraj has won the toss and elected to field first. The pitch is supposed to assist spinners, so lets get back and watch the match. Its good that it will be over within 3 hours and then I can go to work. In order to bring a balance in the ranking table, I want Bangalore to win and also want Misbah to score but, I am not sure if he will play.

  8. #8 by theossa on May 5, 2008 - 2:19 PM

    theossa (13:14:04) : edit

    I had a busy weekend so could not follow any game. I missed a master performance by Tanvir. It’s scary, he is still learning and who knows he might have a few more of these in his basket. I suspect this record will stay for a while. We are proud of you Tanvir.

    There was this interesting discussion about Khans. I agree with bits and pieces of everyone. Here is the truth; when you live abroad, in a different culture, the first generation keeps their language and traditions. The second generation loses some language and traditions, and the third one completely becomes like the local folks in that country. One can argue that people can still keep their traditions generation after generation but I think it’s a wishful thinking. So when you choose to live abroad, that’s the price to pay. Awas made some good points on this issue and I agree with what Javed and Khansahab are saying, the Bollywood Khans are not traditional Pathans we see in Pak. They’re short and small in statue. They’re in movies because they’re good looking and fair skinned. I’m 6’-1” and 180 lbs and have a long nose like most Pathans. I’m Khattak so you have to tie me if there is good Pushto music playing. I like the acting of Amir Khan. Awas, to further compliment your points; according to a Lahore based writer Ashfaq Ahmed three things can change a person, Parents, company, and love. In my case it was company because I lived most of life in boarding schools and hostels. So I’m a reflection of a bunch of my friends.

    I agree with your point that there is something being a Khan that girls are attracted to. Indian girls love Pathans. Back in the Sate University of New York at Buffalo, I and another friend of mine Javed Khan Khattak had like 3 Indian girls each. It will sound like boosting but believe it that while in Karachi I can count 22 girl friends I had. In U.S., I had like a dozen before I got engaged, including whites, blacks, Spanish, but no Asian. I hope my wife doesn’t read this. I’m not saying I’m any handsome, I think of myself an average but I had the courage and guts to approach, talk, and speak my mind. Being Gemini was also helpful. Ahhh those free spirited days.

    I played cricket this Sunday with 3 friends in a Tennis Court which was fenced so we did not need many fielders. Problem was, I’m strong at mid wicket region and shape of the Tennis Court would just allow you to play straight shots so I sucked. This guy from Ka Ka Sahib, NWFP was fast with good Yorkers so I could not get anything going. It was a Tennis ball with electric tape on it and 2 overs each. So you would pretty much swing your bat at every ball. The good thing is no one else bat well either. Let’s see what happens next week.

    Punjab vs Bangalore is next and I’ll be back at lunch time to throw my two cents.

  9. #9 by theossa on May 5, 2008 - 4:51 PM

    Shane Warne is indeed a legend. I loved it when he used to bowled batsmen by pitching on leg stump and knocking the off stump, absolute magical stuff. I would take him as Pakistani coach over Lawson any day.

    I nervously predict Punjab will win this one comfortably.

    Salman Khan

    I like the way you spoke your mind. One Yusuf Zai, Yusuf Khan perhaps created one of the rare love stories in Pushtoon culture. Have you ever get a chance to read the Yusuf Khan –Sher Bano love story? It just shows the resilience of love in a monster conservative cultural. Yes, you can speak your mind on this blog. Look, I even proudly presented my chick “scores” in one of my posts. I guess everything goes.


    If fools seldom disagree then we have close readings on the foolishness meter. I agree with what you wrote.

  10. #10 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah on May 5, 2008 - 4:59 PM

    Mohammed Munir – Sharjah, UAE. (15:03:12) : edit

    theossa …

    Good reading your comments man … keep writing.

    I found common grounds with you, so now its Food, Khanism and being a Gemini, Wow that is a bit too much of similarities, though, I wish I was that lucky with the girls too. But with girls, I guess my luck was like Javed Khan 😉 I think being in Muslim/ Arab/ conservtive (it used to be conservative) country would have somthing to do with this, otherwise I was not so bad looking myself.

    So you are Khattak then … yes we joke with our Khattak friends here in Sharjah that we have to tie them to stop them from dancing … and beleive me its not so untrue.

    So what is this blog ……… Khan’s Attack? I mean I see so many of them around 😉

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2008 - 5:31 PM

    Seems like Bangalooroos have given up and this match is definitely going in favour of Preity, Preity Zinta and for the other one, all I can say is “Katrina Kaif Halika, limaza anti hazeena?” Pour quoi êtes-vous si triste mon cheri? Don’t be sad hon its just a game.


    Please do not assume that my adventures were like your misadventures. For very obvious reasons I don’t want to talk about my personal affairs. There is a “qaol” by Omar Ibne Khattab R.A. and I believe in it, he said: “He who keeps his secrets, controls his affairs.” You see how timidly theossa has mentioned between the lines “I hope my wife doesn’t read this.” 🙂 All I can tell you Munir is, in every desert there is an oasis and all you need is to explore it. I have recently been there the whole desert has turned into an oasis and the trend has changed, they come to you to explore you but, thats not fun.


    dating and fishing have something in common, the best part is, the baiting, biting and fighting once you are hooked you’re caught and bowled. Chor chori say jaye, haira phairy say na jai……….isn’t that true in case of married men? Well, I don’t want to offend the conservative types and my apologies to them for displaying my dark sense of humour.

  12. #12 by theossa on May 5, 2008 - 6:17 PM

    Hahaha Javed, very clever indeed, but biologically speaking, men are supposed to have an urge to spread their seed in as many women as possible. You see I’m just a nature boy. There are phases in life, that flirtatious phase is gone, and when married you weigh pleasure vs consequences. There is nothing right or wrong but usually it’s the consequences that overwhelmingly over-weigh the pleasure so you stay loyal. I and my wife were friends for a while so she knows me inside out and she knows how to keep me interested. It’s mutual respect. She already knows and witnessed my scores. I’m just lucky with women.

    Munir, my Gemini brother, you know what I was talking about. I did not know you were such bad ass, come on you do believe in what the famous mathematician Pythagoras said, “If you want to test men, test them by women, and if you want to test women, test them by money”. The greatest truth ever told? I can’t believe he was a mathematician.

  13. #13 by Awas on May 5, 2008 - 7:06 PM

    Yeah, Munir it looks like you and I and perhaps Abdul are the only non-Khans here at the moment. A good off the track discussion going on here. I like Thoessa’s bold revelations and conquests. By the way, mathematicians are very logical people by nature…a bit like me ;)-

    Talking about women, in case no one noticed, it was an historic day for Bangla Wali Khatuns as they got their first win against an ODI team when they beat Pakistan by four wickets. Has anyone ever watched women’s Kirkit? I never have.

  14. #14 by theossa on May 5, 2008 - 7:21 PM

    Awas, I never had a chance to watch women cricket. I can imagine a fast woman bowler storming in, take a high jump like Imran Khan, and I’ll leave rest for you guys to imagine. Well, Maths was one of my strong subjects but I had very colorful friends so that kept me sane. Yes you are logical and lively and thanks God you changed the picture of W G Grace. It’s just my sick imagination that was bothering me.

    I’ll see you guys tomorrow for perhaps another loss of Deccan Chargers.

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2008 - 7:29 PM


    On your Pythagoras quote which you consider it as the greatest truth ever told cannot be verified because, the only truth that can be verified is “truth.” In my opinion being a mathematician he got bored with numbers hence he played with words. It is very obvious that he used us to test women and money. And being a mathematician yourself must know that; “Obvious” is the most dangerous word in mathematics.

    One can easily play with words but not with numbers. I believe that numbers are greater than words, because words can be misleading, ambiguous, deceitful, false, etc., etc. But, numbers are hard, unequivocal and concrete and they represent the truth.

    I won’t talk much about truth because, we have accountants here (Awas) who by placing the numbers from one head to the other can easily window dress the balance sheet. And we have lawyers here (khansahab) who ask you to speak the truth and nothing but the truth, but themselves, they twist the truth. And, we have bankers here (moi) who also play with numbers using the OPM formula**. So, it is all a matter of playing with words and numbers.

    After digressing a lot from the subject of the thread let me get back to the game. Today’s reality is, in the 25th match at the IPL tournament, Kings XI Punjab won by 6 wickets with 10 balls remaining. If you remove the numbers 6 and 10 you won’t be able to describe in a million words what is the result of the match? Without knowing how many wickets Shane Warne has taken we won’t be able to compare his achievements with Murali. So, numbers are more important than words. I am not denying the importance of language, without which there would have been no communication.

    Are you aware of the numbers that have been mentioned in the Quran? Like the power of 19 as well as 01 binary numbers and Veyselic numbers? I remember somewhere in Quran it is mentioned, “Ana ahsayee kullo shay-in, addad-in” meaning, “WE have numbered everything in numbers.”

    OPM = Other people’s money (thats what bankers do, play with your money)

  16. #16 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on May 5, 2008 - 8:43 PM

    I have been following with interest the discussion about the impact of environment on the people and beg to dis-agree with some of the points.

    My family, and I am saying this with personal experience, has lived in six different countries for last more than a century and we still have been able to maintain our religious and cultural traditions and have adopted several new and good habits from other sources without compromising our own Islamic roots.

    My Grand Father went to Burma from Kathiawar, a District of Gujrat Province of India during the mid 1980s and established his business there. During World War II we had to come back to Kathiawar and after the establishment of Pakistan, we migrated to Pakistan. My family had business in East Pakistan which we had to abandon after it became Bangla Desh. We had some business and lived in Saudi Arabia for some times before I decided to move to the States.

    From my Grand Father to my Grand Children, we are still Muslims and Memons and proud of it!!!

  17. #17 by khansahab on May 5, 2008 - 8:52 PM


    “I’m not saying I’m any handsome, I think of myself an average….”

    You are being too modest my friend. You are not any less than those Khans in Bollywood whom you describe as good looking and fair. Plus you have the height too (mashallah). Ever considered modelling?

    Your Pythagoras quote is very good, however Javed A Khan’s retort to that quote is quite intelligent as well.

    Also, to your statement, “men are supposed to have an urge to spread their seed in as many women as possible……..” my reply is, “Don’t I ****ing know that!?” 🙂
    On this girlfriends issue the peer pressure is killing me. I’ve never had one you see. I need to get some tips from you pronto.

  18. #18 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2008 - 8:52 PM

    Mr. M. Y. Kasim Sir, you have not differed from the views in fact you have strengthen the views of most of us that we should be proud of our religion, culture, language, values, customs, traditions, language, food etc., and from this our identity should reveal our roots and of course we are proud of who we are and what we are. And I hope this tradition continues.

    Internet is shrinking the world and bringing us closer than before and it is through forums like this we share our common interests, our pleasure is in discussing the game of cricket and reading the reviews of our fellow bloggers from Australia to Alaska and, you being the senior most person on our blog your contribution is of utmost importance to us and we value it very much and we hope you will continue to do so in future.

    Thank you once again for your thoughts and your comments.

  19. #19 by khansahab on May 5, 2008 - 9:01 PM

    Salman Khan,

    You mentioned Sahabzada Yakub Khan. Well, Karachi’s most famous Pathan and the favourite player of Karachiites and Pukhtoons also has “Sahabzada” in front of his name- Sahabzada Mohammad Shahid Khan Afridi.

  20. #20 by khansahab on May 5, 2008 - 9:56 PM


    Sir, really nice to see your views here. I am sure all Pakistanis would have the highest regard for Kathiawar, as that is where Jinnah hailed from.

    I saw a movie recently called “Gandhi My Father” (Akshaye Khanna acts brilliantly as the good-for-nothing son of Gandhi called “Hiralal”). In that movie Gandhi says towards the end, “The only regret of my life is that I was not able to convince two people, one my Kathiawari friend Mohammad Ali Jinnah, and second my own son, Hiralal”.

    It is a very well made film and the acting is of a high standard- I recommend it to everyone.

  21. #21 by Awas on May 5, 2008 - 10:24 PM


    For women, it’s not always the case of looks. Have you heard of Hoor kay saath languor? We often see stunning bombshells with ugly looking gorillas. Women actually go for one of four attributes – Power, fame, money and intelligence. The thing is Theossa probably has all four to go with those good looks. So, it’s a win win situation for him. Khansahab, you will do well to be his understudy ;)-

    Talking about khaity-bari i.e. on the mention of spreading seeds and crops, if the harvest is too good then this must be the only case where it causes the farmer some anxiety ;)-

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2008 - 2:40 AM


    Pardon me for correcting that phrase, it is: ” Hoor kay pehloo may langoor ” and not Hoor kay sath langoor. 🙂

    Btw, what happened to PakSpin? Kamran Abbassi wrote: ” I am with Malcolm.” And after 46 comments on his blog he disappeared in thin air. There are two things common between him and Malcolm. Both were (are) CEO’s and they both have disappeared from the cricket scene for the last 10 days.

    If Deccan Chargers won’t win the match tomorrow they will not be able to make it to the semis for sure. From now onwards they need to win, its about time that Afridi should score and so should Gibbs. Bowling is the weak-link in that team and not to mention the captaincy. Laxman is totally off-colour as a captain. Perhaps it is due to Shane Warne’s dynamic captaincy that he outshone every single captain in this tournament. Even the much talked about young and talented captain of India, Dhoni was looking absolutely a novice who had no idea how to handle his team.

    Like Theossa and Munir suggests, this time Laxman should send Afridi and Gilly to open the innings. If they click and stay for the first 6 overs they would score perhaps 80 runs and the match will be on. But, honestly speaking none of the Pakistani batsman has proved their worth in this tournament.

    Malik, Butt, Misbah, Afridi and Kamran Akmal, their performance is pathetic. I think Kamran Akmal will not get a chance in any of the remaining matches because of the 4 foreign players limit. With Sohail Tanvir, Shane Warne, Shane Watson and Graeme Smith in that team and they look indispensable, Akmal will sit out for the rest of the tournament.

    Among the Indians, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly and Dhoni have scored a fifty each but thats it. In the rest of the matches their performance is abysmal. And, Yuvraj is over looked by people for his pathetic performance because his team is winning. Also, when his team plays, people are distracted by Preity Zinta’s presence at the stadium.

    In the bowling department, from Pakistan only Sohail Tanvir and Umar Gul have done well whereas, Irfan Pathan and Zaheer Khan are doing very well and are on top of the table of highest wickets taken by the bowlers in this tournament.

    Rohit Sharma is excellent in batting and so is Gambhir and even Sehwag but the rest are just so, so. With Hayden, Hussey and Oram gone Chennai team looks like a bunch of orphans.

    Kolkata Night Riders will definitely be strengthened by the reinforcement of Khalifa’s inclusion, whether he performs or not he will be a potent threat with Umar Gul and Ishant Sharma to back him up. So, their chances have also pretty much improved. But, I don’t know when Saurav Ganguly will change his sulky and nagging attitude? If he wants to win he has to give up that rona dhona aur naak surakna.

  23. #23 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 6, 2008 - 7:39 AM

    – We can speak our mind out with without any fear of being ‘edited’ or ‘censored’.

    – We can digress from the subject, as far away as we want 😉

    – We are allowed to be a bit of racist too.

    – We can write as long as we just can, without any words limit 🙂

    – And last but not the least, we can see cool cars and hot girls too 😉

    What else can one ask in life … this blog is the coolest around !!

    Awas …

    Jigger (urdu wala), I did not say I am not Khan … well actually I am a Khan with some external influences of ‘Buddo’. (Buddo is kinda native Arab paindoo) as Javed Khan would put it. I know the combination is deadly, but then again we all have chink in our armors, right?

    Good to know everybody’s profession … about myself, well I am banker and yes I play with OPM metaphorically speaking. No I am not a cashier 😉 , I am in Corporate Banking and I play with words as well as numbers. Being in UAE (United Arab Emirates) at this booming time, I am almost forced to have some interests and investments in Real Estate market along with occasional endeavors into the local stocks. This is part and parcel of being associated with the money market, plus you don’t really get the feel of it all happening, as long as your own ass is not on the line. So, I not only consult and advise people on money-making but do a bit of it for myself 🙂

    Javed A. Khan …

    I must confess that I am really impressed with your knowledge on everything under the sky and your jovial style of expressing it too. I guess you would be reading Edward De Bono and practicing his lateral thinking theory.

    Anyways, I guess we have a few common traits between us too … Cricket, Banking, and Real Estate. Oh yes, I like a bit of poetry and cooking (or rather eating) too, but no, I am not a doctor though 😉

    I don’t have so many commonalities even with my wife 😉

    Khan Sahab …

    First of all, please don’t call be sir, no I am not that old yaar. Secondly, are you not a bit too young for being a lawyer? Well, I must say that you are a bit too young for everything from girls, to lawyers, to cricket journalism, to etc. 😉 and it shows that you have achieved success at this ‘Bali Umariya’, which is just great for you !!

    Last but not the least, some cricket …

    Finally then, Shoaib Actor has arrived in India and most probably he will be playing the KolKata’s next match with Bang-Loroos Royal (my foot) Challengers on Thursday 8th May at Eden Gardens, Kotkata.

    Why do PCB and Dr. Ashraf have to be a laughing stock before the whole world? I mean look at the way they have ‘suspended’ the ban on Shoaib so that he can go and play in the IPL, while the ban may be re-applied again, if they wish so. Does it have to be this way for Pakistan in everything from Politics to Cricket ?

    What is the standing of the country and its systems then?

    Misbah could not perform for the Bang-Loroos again and so far Sohail Tanvir remains the only Pakistani player who has given an exceptional performance and have single handedly won the game for his side.

    It would be interesting to see Pakistan team with Sohail Tanvir, Mohammed Asif, Shoaib Actor, and Omar Gul (if for once they are all fit) playing together for our national team. I know I am wishing on a star……

  24. #24 by Salman Khan on May 6, 2008 - 8:51 AM

    Hi guys,

    thanks for the support. Javed , thanks for the e-mail. For obvious reasons I would not like to go into the details of your e-mail but your reasoning is exactly why none of my family members like Shahrukh Khan. It is probably not his fault . His father died young and his mother died soon after. Most of the influence on his life over the past 20 years has been from his wife . I saw portions of a documentary made about him and some of the scenes were unacceptable. That is the problem with these people , their life is cocooned and everybody they know inki haan mein haan milate hain. More than him I feel sorry for his kids who are being brought up in a Deen-e-Elaahi environment. Having said that , the other filmi khans are not far behind.

    Cannot talk much about Cricket because the matches start here very late. I usually watch the Saturday matches only. It would be interesting to see Shoaib’s performance for Calcutta. Would he bowl his lethal bouncers against his Pakistani team-mates ? Or may be he will , especially against Afridi and Asif.

    I did not know that Blues Brothers existed until I saw the message from Khan Sahab in LegSlip. So I had a look . I saw a comment from Phillip John Joseph someone who most of you would know from Pak Spin . He has proposed in BluesB that he would like the cricket grounds to have a diameter of 300 meters (yes it is not a typing error). He further added that he would like cricket to discard the provision of 4s and 6s and that the Batsmen should be made to run for everything. I did write a response which indicated what I thought of his thoughts but unfortunately Mr Malik found them offensive and they were edited. I thought I would mention this because I don not think I have read such views from a Cricket lover. Are his comments too stupid to be taken seriously or does he have some support here?

  25. #25 by Salman Khan on May 6, 2008 - 9:05 AM


    a similar kahawat in India is :”Dil Gadhi Pe Aaya , To Pari kya cheez hai”.

    IMO the bottom line as far as girls are concerned is : MONEY. And it does not matter if you are in India or NZ or Australia . If you have money , you have the girls. For men , beauty is usually the primary concern but reciprocation at the “key moments” is important as well .You don’t want a cold fish ,even if she looks like Ash or Kat .

  26. #26 by Awas on May 6, 2008 - 10:40 AM

    Salman Khan

    Yaar filmi duniya may sub chalta hai. Hollywood is no different to Bollywood either. LOL @ your Kahawat…good one.

    Good input once again. Yeah, I read that comment of PJJ on BB sometime ago but I think he retracted his 300m silly idea later. I do find though that sometimes he makes very good comments too.

    Padit Jee is very quiet. If you see him, ask him to entertain us with his thoughts as well when he gets a chance.

    Munir & Javed
    I was wondering why all this credit crunch is causing havoc in the world financial markets and has brought recession in the Western world at least. So it’s all playing with OPM then.
    Munir and Javed you have been marked ;)-

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2008 - 10:57 AM

    Ganguly is mincing his words. First, he wasn’t bothered about Shoaib Akhtar and now that his team is not doing well, especially jab Ishant sharma, sharma ker piyush chawla ko bowling ker reha thaa, that kid thrashed him for 21 in the last over to give his side a defending total. Aur phir sirf Ishant ka nahee balkay Ganguly ka bhee bharam khull gaya kay their bowling is weak. And, now Actor can play a role in helping them out of the woods.

    Like I said he is mincing his words now, Ganguly first admitted by saying, “oh yeah he will strengthen our bowling attack” and, then he added, but no one individual player can turn the match around all our players have to play well.” Yes, we know that, but in 20/20 its generally one man who turns the game around.

    And, look at that idiot who is living in his past glories I mean Actor instead of keeping his mouth shut and let his bowling do the talking, he started to tell stories like a Grand Father, “once upon a time, in the gardens of Eden when the little maestro called Sachin Tendulkar came in to bat, I ran like a plane and jumped like a monkey bowled him out on the first ball ………….” Shoaib we all know that, so stop this BS and keep your trap shut.

    Salman Khan, you got my point so I am not going to delve deeper in that subject and that Deen-e-Elahi is a good example, I like it. On your kahawat, yeah whenever someone tells me the English equivalent i.e., “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” I tell them Oh yeah, we say that in our language, “Dil aye gadhi per tou paree kya cheez hai?” So what if Aishwariya looks good in her heydays? Kehtay hain kay jawani may tou gadhee bhee achi lagti hai 😉 But, the fact is Amrita Rao looks good in the picture which is in the hot gals section above, especially if you blow her up to your screen size, then she blow you out.

    As regards eating cold fish it reminds me of that expression, “Invective can be used at any time; like vengeance, it is a dish that can be eaten cold.” Btw, cold fish ka bhee apna mazaa hai, pls. don’t get me wrong I am not talking about Catwariya but, the white fish that is prepared in cold mayo and mild spices.

    Munir, don’t underestimate khansahab he is 21 and a law student (plus an intern at a law firm) and he is more matured than most people older than him. As regards De Bono, I had invited him as a speaker in a seminar and he also came to my house and he thoroughly enjoyed Biryani. I told him how it is prepared and also talked about the “origins of curry” and the misnomer that is attached with this word “curry” due to the lack of knowledge of the Englishman who thinks that anything that is hot, spicy and gravy is curry. De Bono was really impressed by the history of Mogul Cuisine and asked me to write a book. He signed a few of his books on lateral thinking for me and gave it to me as a gift. I do write about food and recipes on a few food blogs as a free lancer.

    Anyways, I am waiting for the DC and Chennai match which will start in a few hours from now and I have already expressed my views in the previous comment. So, lets see whats next.

    Btw, Salman that Philip John Joseph is an OK guy,
    we all make mistakes and that I am sure is a typo but, his comments in general are pretty sane as compared to some of the Paindoo Chaudharys who go out on PakSpin without their Pyjama ( I hope you know that Moin Akhtar’s Chaudhary da Pyjama joke?) and blab all that filth and garbage on PS.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2008 - 11:13 AM


    Mark my word, if I write on “credit crunch” or about the food crisis or gas prices you won’t like it, I don’t like it and I am sure no one would like it. As it is, its hurting on everyone’s purse and no one is happy. So, lets give it a pass and stay focused on cricket and the trivia that is associated with it.

    In the previous match in Bangalore, I saw a spectator holding a play card saying: “Save the Cheerleaders.” LOL … as if they are going to get extinct like the dinosaur. I think they have overdone that bit. If the IPL organizers had brought them only for opening and closing ceremonies that would have been fine.

  29. #29 by theossa on May 6, 2008 - 1:07 PM

    Well I wish Hyderabad make some changes to their strategy and win this one. I can’t see two of my most favorites i.e. Gilchrist and Afridi are underperforming. Come on guys, make some noise with the bat.

    M. Y. Kasim
    It was pleasing to know there are families out there who still preserve their values and traditions. You live in Houston, which I believe has the largest Pakistani concentration in U.S. but I know families in U.S. suburbs, mostly doctors, who integrated into the society. The only way I can think people can keep their traditions and language is to avoid public schools at an early age and rather have their kids study at private schools also teaching their religion and values. But again, that’s only possible in concentrated areas and cities.

    LoL, I know what you are doing to me; they say in order to break the legs of a person you have to make him climb the bamboo tree. Nahh, I’m an optimistic guy but I’m realistic as well. Well, girls are like trial and error, until you try you wouldn’t know the game. I remember when I first got in U.S. I could not distinguish between a friendly smile and the smile of interest but I got into the groove quickly. One of my Lahorian friends Anwer Butt used to say, “Izzat to aane jaane wali cheez hai, bande ko dheet hona chahiyye”. He was one bold fella. I guess I could write you a few tips on email but every country has a different culture, I don’t what it is like in U.K. but I heard girls in London area are very easy.

    Your points are very valid. You forgot to mention an important trait girls dig is being funny and witty.

    You pretty much nailed the battle of the sexes.

    An interesting view about numbers better than words, and in a logical sense is very true. I would like as many $100 dollar bills as possible. But words come first, even if I write 19, even though it’s a number, you can read it because of language. Numbers are used to measure and compare, but words are where the whole humanity can be put on a show according to your wish, holy books and religions for example. And truth? I’m the believer of, “Truth is a mere inconvenience, which could be managed”. I guess it’s a never ending discussion.

  30. #30 by Awas on May 6, 2008 - 1:31 PM

    ;(- Sorry! That not so pleasant crunch comment was no more than just a light hearted observation on you guys mention of OPM…a fact of life that we all have to live with no matter how unpleasant and not so dissimilar to window dressing the balance sheets. However, the current crisis has made even Enrons of the world pale into insignificance in comparison.

    Cheerleaders and music concept is exactly as imported from England as basically they have, as they say, gone by the book and ditto-copied it exactly.

    Deccans match is about to begin. As Theossa said earlier, lets expect the worse from them in the hope that they surprise us.

    Theossa, on your lesson to khansahab – Yeah “earth girls are easy” ;)-

  31. #31 by theossa on May 6, 2008 - 2:15 PM

    Haha Laxman is out for Deccan Chargers, It’s like getting rid of Shoaib Malik. Why Deccans Chargers remind me so much of Pakistan’s national team? Wise guy says they are both depressing.

    Awas, try this, go to a social place/event and talk to a chic and tell her that you know Palmistry. I bet you’ll be holding hands of hottest of the babes in a few minutes. It was one of favorite tricks to snatch and woe girls. Off course learn about zodiac signs and palmistry a little bit.

  32. #32 by Awas on May 6, 2008 - 3:10 PM

    Laxman out???…Theossa, did he break his leg or what? That’s one bit of good news no doubt. I guess they must have listened to Javed A Khan. This might be a turning point guys. Anyways, after reading the writer’s thread on this blog, my heart is firmly set on favouring Shane Warne’s team now.

    Nice tip on palmistry, I’ll try that first and pass it over to Khansahab after thorough testing ;)-

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2008 - 3:47 PM


    Only a Gemini who belongs to the triangle of Air can be so imaginative about girls. I believe, if you are smart, intelligent, witty, have a good sense of humour and to add potassium cyanide to that recipe if you are handsome on top of that, trust me the girls come and hold your hands even before you talk about palmistry, astrology or numerology.

    thats a very old trick that guys in colleges and university used to play because, girls in general are more keen to know about their future especially about romance and finance and for some its a breaking of the ice kinda thingi to get their hands held by the guys. I will give you a better tip for your next encounter or endeavour in the next comment. But this hand holding thingi reminds me of an old TV show of Moin Akhtar which I recently saw as a re-run on ARY.

    Moin Akhtar says, in Pakistan if a girl is walking on the street where some guys are there to rub their shoulders just for a chaska, but sometimes it happens due to a mistake or in a rush, the girl would yell at the guy by saying, ” badtameez sharam nai aati, tumharee maa bahen nahee hain?”

    And the next moment in Bohri Bazar, Sadar or wherever she goes to the “choori-walay ki dukaan” bangles shop, to wear bangles and the shop-owner who may not only be ugly, but also a thurkee would take her soft hand and rub it with both his hands before pehnaow-ing chooriyaan and saying “baaji, baaji” and baji won’t mind that at all. LOL

    The match is on and good that V V R is not playing today. 🙂

  34. #34 by abdul on May 6, 2008 - 3:54 PM

    Excellent analysis Javed bhai. So the Ipl is hotting up and the intensity is starting to dramatically reach full volume. Who’s going to win at this satge remains a big question mark which I’m reluctant to answer.

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2008 - 4:17 PM

    RP Singh’s last over (19th) was fabulous he took a wicket and gave away only 3 runs. Then the whole effort was ruined by giving the last over (20 th) to the youngster Sanjay Bangar who gave away 20 runs. The target which if it had remained under 130 would have been very easy and now its a bit competitive. The Deccan Chargers must get it without getting panicked.

    Even the commentators are talking about Afridi and Gilly opening the innings which is yet to be seen. But, Gilly marshaled his troops well, anytime better than Laxman and he was attacking the batsmen with his field placement and also encouraging his players which was so obvious from his body language. This is what you need from a leader. Pakistanis should learn this trait from Shane Warne and Adam Gilchrist.


    I don’t mean to upset you by refusing to write on the credit crunch. What I meant is, first of all its a dry subject, secondly I am no good in crystallizing and condensing the subject or summing it up in two paragraphs, its impossible to do that. So, thats why I said, lets give it a pass. If you still like to hear it from me, then get ready…….. ahem, ahem….. oooops the match is starting, lets see what the Deccan Chargers are going to do, so laters Awas 😉

    Its not Afridi, but Gibbs to open with Gilly.

  36. #36 by theossa on May 6, 2008 - 4:23 PM

    Now a tip from a seasoned hunter like Javed could be just deadly for girls. I wouldn’t wanna miss it. Khansahab, start the count down, you are getting hooked soon. Am I the only sexist here?

    Good overall bowling performance by Hyderabad, let’s see if they can continue the good show in batting as well. Javed, you cursed the poor Laxman but you’ll take our blessings. Please, say the magic words for DNA and Shoaib Malik.

  37. #37 by Awas on May 6, 2008 - 4:35 PM

    Javed A Khan

    What you said was actually very agreeable on boring crunchy crunch. I just wanted to make it clear from my side though that what I said was really meant in a light hearted way. Merely, continuation of banter. By nature, I rarely wish anyone ill will and never to the good people that I know.

    A score of 144 is just a bit below par for a T20 match. Gilly’s team should do well in theory from here…so let’s see. In some teams choice of a captain doesn’t make a lot of sense. Gilly probably has better credentials than Laxman in every way but I suppose if Laxman wasn’t the captain, he wouldn’t have been an automatic choice.

  38. #38 by Awas on May 6, 2008 - 5:50 PM

    Afridi finished it in a jiffy. A strike rate of 333.33 is great going. I wonder if he is back in business.

  39. #39 by theossa on May 6, 2008 - 5:54 PM

    Well that was a satisfactory performance by Hyderabad. Gilly played a good innings and late fire works by Afridi was exciting in this not so exciting match. I still think Gilly should have opened the innings with Afridi. Match could have been more entertaining and could have been over in 12 overs. After all Twenty20 is about rush of blood. I have a feeling that Deccans are good chasers but they can’t defend a good total. See you guys tomorrow for Mumbai and Rajasthan contest. Yeah I know it’s Warne and Tanvir again.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2008 - 6:02 PM

    Deccan Chargers when they win, they win very convincingly, they lost a few close matches, had luck favoured them they would have been in a different place in the ranking tables.

    Gilly fired again in the opening slot and Afridi in the end. I would still say that it was a mistake asking Gibbs to open the innings. Chennai has always been a good bating track for Afridi, he has scored his big test hundred here a few years ago and even in the ODI’s he scored well. The way he treated Dhoni’s so-called triumph card, Joginder Sharma proves my point that in Chennai he is unstoppable, 20 in 6 balls a strike rate of 333.33. Anyways, its a win that was necessary for them to stay in contention.

    theossa, have you ever heard of acupressure? If not, you should learn more about it and use the techniques, I won’t tell you more than this on this forum.

    “Momentum” this is one buzz word that is being used in this IPL tournament and I am already sick of it because of its repetition. Commentators like Amir Churail and Arun Lal use it so often, besides every single sports journalist, in other words every Tom, Dick and Harry is using this word in their writings. Guys stop this shit and stop aping.

  41. #41 by khansahab on May 6, 2008 - 7:06 PM

    Great going by Deccan. They are a very talented side, in fact I earlier commented they are one of the strongest sides on paper. Today was a good match for Afridi who took two catches and flayed Sharma’s bowling at the end.

    Afridi has many haters but what everyone needs to realise is that he brings in a raw energy to the game and he is always raring to go on the field. I have had my fair share of reservations against Afridi but he is increasingly seeming to be a vital component in any team’s arsenal.

    Interesting and reasonable comments have been made by everyone really. Although my experiences with the opposite sex have been very limited, I do realise that girls feel attracted to intelligence, charisma and wits. They really admire sense of humour, more than men I reckon. Whereas someone correctly said here that men tend to go after the more superficial- looks or sex appeal.
    However, I have also observed that when girls say looks don’t matter in a man, they are lying, because looks do matter for women. Why else would Theossa manage to get 22 girlfriends before his residency in America? Come on Theossa, don’t tell me you performed that palmistry trick on 22 girls 🙂

    Javed A Khan,

    I agree that Dhoni appears as a lacklustre captain in this format. However I feel he is a very good captain in reality. We have discussed before that a lot of what happens in T20 is because of sheer luck. This is not to take credit away from Warne, whose captaincy is very inspiring, but it would also be unfair to take credit away from Dhoni who has been a brilliant captain generally. I forget specific matches and specific examples but I do remember that in some series this year, he motivated his players really well, used the perfect bowling options to suit the batsman or the circumstance, and generally seemed like a very good planner and reader of the game.

    Mohammad Munir,

    Perhaps I should say on this occasion that, I will keep calling you “Sir” until you give me a good reason not to, and what would be a better reason than telling all of us how old you really are 🙂 That will remedy the problem of calling you “sir” 🙂

    Javed A Khan is very kind to call me a “lawyer” at this stage. Actually Javed A Khan and Awas both are very accomplished individuals mashallah, and it is their humility and boundless integrity that they address me as a “lawyer” even though technically I am not. I have a law degree, but currently I have taken a “gap year” out to work and earn money for this course I will be doing, the fees for which are substantial. After this course my two year training will commence at a law firm, inshallah. It is only subsequent to that, that I will technically become a qualified lawyer. Although I suppose on accounts of my degree, calling me a lawyer isn’t incorrect in its entirety.

    Too young for girls? Maybe and maybe not. Too young to get married, yes, but not too young for romancin’ 🙂 Here in Manchester the situation with Pakistani kids is really bad- most start their sagas of relationships from 15-16 onwards. This is quite striking when you consider the backgrounds of most Pakistanis here- the vast majority are from extremely conservative backgrounds hailing from Mirpur/Jhelum and adjoining regions.
    On a serious note though, I reckon I’ll stay single until I get married. I don’t think I can handle relationships. Plus all good looking girls I’ve met so far have been daft as a brush!
    By the way I do thank you profoundly for indicating I am mature etc 🙂

    Cricket is not rocket science. I have always been obsessed with cricket and for that reason I like to write about it. Journalism in my view is more about how enthusiastic you are about the given issue and how quickly you can learn and adapt to things. Does age really have much to do with it? Yes, what I hated on Pakspin, and what thankfully I don’t find here on LS, is when people didn’t take me seriously at times thinking I’m just a kid.

    I want to thank all of you for firstly visiting this site, secondly not ignoring me because I am a kid :), thirdly for participating on this site in good spirit, with maturity and tolerance and fourthly for making reasonable and intelligent comments.

  42. #42 by Awas on May 6, 2008 - 8:46 PM

    That’s a wonderful write-up…oozing with intelligence and very touching indeed. After such a wonderful piece, how can you say you are not a lawyer…liar ;)-

    By the way, all this gathering of such wonderful people here is all due to your initiative.

  43. #43 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2008 - 8:59 PM


    very thought provoking words in your post and good to see that you have a balanced head on your shoulders.


    on your friend Anwer Butt’s quote: “Izzat to aane jaane wali cheez hai, bande ko dheet hona chahiyye”. I must say that only a Butt can say such a thing. Shareef aadmi kay paas izzat kay alava aur hota hee kya hai? The root of the word Anwer is from Munnawer which means brightened up or very bright, jis ka Butt ek roshan daan ki terha munnawer ho tou vo phir moonh say kion bolay ga?

    Some people speak from their mind, some from their feelings and now you know about your friend Butt and from where he speaks? Anyways, I dunno why I find these Butts so hilariously weird, may be its not just the name but the way they behave has something to do with it.

    In Abu Dhabi there is a shop and the sign board in Arabic reads “Halwiyaat Butt” and in English its written “Butt Sweets.” And on so many occasions I have seen some tourists taking pictures of that sign board. One day I had to tell the owner about how people perceive its meaning. He laughed and he said, “aseee bundaan da zor laga kay ujj iss kabal howay tay logaan ujj saday bund da phull khaa rain, iss say barr kar hore khusi di ki gull ho sak di?” Ignorance is bliss and in his case its a blister on his Butt.

    Butts are just like Buddooz and I must share this without mentioning the name of that person. Because, he is also a real person and this is a fact, no jokes. Outside the office door, the brass name plate of an Assistant Director of the Municipality in that country, right under his name he wrote his title as Mr. So & So … Ass. Director. Because there was no space to write the word Assistant, he used the abbreviation. When I told him how it is perceived, he laughed and he said, in this Municipality they are all ASS and I am their director.

    I explained further to him by saying, gone are the days when people used to use the word ass for a donkey. Now, its used in some other sense. Even then he was happy. Ignorance aur contentment bhee kya cheez hai. In Pakistan behind the bus and trucks there are always some funny messages or poetry. This one is about contentment. ” Paisa hai tou fikraain fikraan, paisa nai tou mauj hee mauj.” Baat Agham hai and “I am agree.”

  44. #44 by Awas on May 6, 2008 - 9:24 PM

    M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx.

    It appears you have posted your comment on the previous thread perhaps by mistake. Anyways, you made some valid point in suggesting utilising Pakistani coaches. As you can imagine there are different views on this. Firstly, Shane Warne has really impressed us all as he is not only the captain but the coach of his team too. Secondly, having local coaches has also resulted in dirty politics and internal strife with the team. And thirdly, condescending though it may sound but, with most foreign things being better, having a foreign coach is perhaps a better idea.

    Javed A Khan

    I don’t know any Butts personally but a bit of generalisation here perhaps;)- That poor Sweet Wala is perhaps just a victim of his ignorance but Theossa’s friend might be a very good guy as he is a friend of his.

  45. #45 by khansahab on May 6, 2008 - 9:57 PM


    Thanks for the kind words. We all lie sometimes, and so do lawyers! Hang on, in Javed A Khan’s words, we “twist the truth.” Is that lying? Because at the end of the day, it is modifying or “circling round” the actual truth, so it can be argued it is somewhat a slightest variation of the truth, and comes under the broader umbrella of what “truth” actually is. And as we all know, what truth actually is, is nothing but the truth 🙂

    So lawyers are the most honest people around 🙂 Actually here I am being more of a politician than a lawyer- I am not just lying, I am lying and trying to make it sound convincing 🙂

    Javed A Khan,

    Hilarious piece on “Butts”.

    You mentioned Aamir “Churail” some time ago. Actually I remember you mentioned his uninspiring commentary on Pakspin. After that I started listening to what he says more attentively and agreed with your views. He does repeat a lot of what gorey commentators say and sometimes he uses their ideas and converts them into his own words and speaks them out. I also detect a slight tone of brashness and arrogance the way he speaks. If you imagine him speaking in that tone in Urdu, it will probably be considered an arrogant tone. I have seen him giving interviews in Urdu and he always appears rude and arrogant. What is also very annoying is the time he takes to complete his sentences, when he is halfway through his sentence you wish he would stop already.
    BUTT he was a good batsman and much better than Butt, Imran Nazir and Imran Farhat. Although I don’t think he was as gifted as Butt or Saeed Anwar, he did have the ability to stay at the crease and absorb pressure. In my opinion for these Pakistani openers the rule no 1 is that they should be mature and should know how to stay at the crease for some time. Against minnows you can flay their bowling and win MOM awards, but when it comes to playing the likes of Ntinis, Steyns, Lees and Bonds, you will have to wait for the bad delivery on most occasions if you want to score. Unless you are exceptionally talented like Tendulkar or Lara.

  46. #46 by khansahab on May 6, 2008 - 10:06 PM


    Pandit Jee is very quiet indeed, and so are Rehan Khan, Samy, Tauqeer Malik, Rohit, Hamza and Amit P.

    Wonder where they all are?

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2008 - 12:57 AM


    in your previous comments you are showing us “some colours” of a lawyer by twisting the words. This reminds me during the time I was in the Bank’s Academy and we were studying contract law and our professor told us this story.

    In one of the Contract Law classes a Professor asked one of his better students, “Now if you were to give someone an orange, how would you go about it?”

    The student replied, “Here’s an orange.”

    The professor was livid. “No! No! Think like a lawyer!”

    The student then recited, “Okay, I’d tell him, ‘I hereby give and convey to you all and singular, my estate and interests, rights, claim, title, and advantages of and in, said orange, together with all its rind, juice, pulp, and seeds, and all rights, claims and advantages with full power to bite, cut, freeze and otherwise eat, the same, or give the same away with and without the pulp, juice, rind and seeds, anything herein before or hereinafter or in any deed, or deeds, instruments of whatever nature or kind whatsoever to the contrary in anywise notwithstanding with ……. bloody blah daady daah…”

    And on your using the phrase “circling round” this is such a desi termo used only by desis. Recently I met a kid who came from Pakistan and was talking to people and during the course of discussion when he got a bit confused by the questions, he said, “you are circling the talk round and round so how can I understand your question.” He must have thought it in Urdu, translated in English and then blabbed it out. Its like saying “Aap baat ko goal ghumma ghumma ker pooch rehay hain…..” There are some who still say, Oh yaar I am so tired, my head is eating circles now. “Mera sir chakkar kha reha hai iss time.” And you know what? I saa with my own eyes your sun was drinking sigrit i.e., one desi guy telling to another.

    How come smoking became drinking? Theossa should be able to explain this to us better since he is a smoker, unless that totaa in his mouth is only for a show. Cigarette peena kion? Cigarette soonghna kion nahee? Thats why in Karachi slang they say cigarette dhunakna, like rooiee (cotton) dhunakna ya dhooaan (smoke) urana.

    All of the above is unrelated to cricket, should we talk more about IPL or Shane Warne? Or, Shoaib Akhtar? Lets keep it for tomorrow’s match i.e., Mumbai Indians vs. Rajhastan Royals, is tendulkar playing tomorrow?

  48. #48 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 7, 2008 - 9:41 AM

    Awas …

    Shahid Afridi’s short inning was an occasional treat to watch. I really hope he is back in business, but unfortunately, he is ‘in business’ much less than he is ‘not in business’ 😉

    Anyhow, I guess his charisma is enough to practically raise the heartbeat of the entire stadium, no matter how he plays.

    Khan Sahab …

    Well well well, I must say my age is ‘unknown’ like some others 😉

    Women used to be sensitive of their age and men about their income, but now a days it’s like both men and women hide their ages as well as incomes.

    Let’s strike a deal, I will take you seriously and not treat you like a kid seeing your age, and you shall not call me ‘sir’ and not ask my age again 😉

    On cricket, well it may not be rocket science but it sure has become a science. With so many terms and ever-changing rules and regulations, I guess it must be one of the most complicated games around.

    Royal Bang-Loroos’s owner Mr. Vijay Mallaya, the hardcore businessman that he is, have removed Charu Sharman from the position of CEO of his ‘owned’ team. Well seeing their performances so far, Vijay should have done that earlier, but I guess he lost his temper after seeing the team loosing continuously, and the likes of Rahul Dravid, Wasim Jaffer, Jacques Kallis and Anil Kumble having a jolly good time at his expense 😉 while the Bang-Loroos have been dubbed as the Test IX of the IPL 😉

    Charu Sharma being the first causality of the IPL, it seems Venkatesh Prasad may be the next victim with a few more to follow 🙂

    This being the first and experimental IPL, although BCCI have saved their ‘old’ test players by making them ‘icon-players’ like Dravid, Luxman, Ganguly, Sachin and forcing them on the teams, but I think the next IPL will be a totally different ballgame and no owners will allow these ‘Buddha Shers’ to enjoy paid leaves at their hard earned dollars.

    I also do not see much potential for a lot of Pakistani players for the next IPL season seeing their overall dismal performances 😦

    The IPL as well as the T20 game of cricket is in a transformation stage and we may end-up with a totally different type of game in the near future.

    PS: Have someone noticed that LegSlip has crossed the number of total comments from its main rival PakSpin on this thread. Great going guys !!

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2008 - 10:13 AM

    Yay ………………………………………… Hail Muhammed Munir

    for noticing the number of posts on this blog have surpassed the numbers of PakSpin and comparing them both. Thats because Kamran and Speedy Gonzales have gone on a vacation. But, before I forget in rambling about the cricket details, I have to remind you to take a look at the “hot gals & cool cars” section. Of course, the gals first.

    1. Amrita Rao’s new picture, you need to enlarge it and see it in a poster size by clicking on her again and again. I am telling you this because in Sharjah you have nothing else to do after coming home, if you were in Dubai, things are different there, but Sharjah is more Mulla Emirate. As I used to say: From Dubai to Sharjah, after Al-Mullah Plaza its All Mulla Emirate. (sorry, this is only for people who have lived in the UAE, they would understand this joke)

    2. Subaru Imprezza click on it and then read the comments that I wrote but, more importantly watch the 5 minute video, you would like it not because you are interested in cars but, because its driven by a kaki.

    OK, now about the IPL’s future endeavours or the next IPL tournament, your analysis are on the dot, yes they will not offer or bid for Pakistani players like Butt, Hafeez and Akmal or Yunus Khan for sure since the later declined their offer. Also, you are right about the Buddha Shers. This IPL thingi is a kinda golden handshake to give them a million dollar on retirement especially the likes of Dravid, Ganguly, Tendulkar.

    Charu Sharma is a super hyper bloke like that Sardar Sidhu, and Maliya doesn’t like BLEEP a$$holes, who simply verbose, he wants people to deliver and you are right Charu is an escape goat and so will Prasad be anon.


    On Dhoni issue, what I meant was not his recent past where he was a winning captain. That’s different i.e., when the team is winning the captain gets the credit and when the team is losing he is the one who gets the flak. The way he is trying to cover up the fact is ridiculous. I mean just listen to that guy when he is trying in so many different words, beating around the bush and not admitting that the early exit of Hayden, Hussey and Oram is affecting the team’s performance and since they’ve left Chennai is losing…. three in a row.

    He is saying, “sometimes it is good to get a jolt like that then we can wake up and regroup ourselves and play more vigorously and with more intensity……” same trash like Malak Saab, when he was saying after every loss, “we are learning and each time we lose we learn.” What the BLEEP man? This is not a place to learn its a place to deliver.

    Dhoni should have said, “its the franchise’s fault in choosing these players knowing that they will leave halfway through the tournament.” But, to say that you need to have guts, rather balls. Deccan Chargers also made a mistake in hiring Andrew Symonds, he blasted an innings, a century in vain besdies he was instrumental in that loss against Rajhastan where he couldn’t contain his fellow Australian Shane Warne. He was also instrumental in that loss against Delhi when Sehwag blasted him 30 in one over.

    So, once again Munir is right that next time they will plan it better rather, delve deeper into the shit and find out which player will play the whole tournament and who is more suitable for this format of the game? And many more things to assess and evaluate the value or net worth of a player for the next IPL twenty20.

  50. #50 by theossa on May 7, 2008 - 1:53 PM

    LoL Khansahab, I never had to try Palmistry on desi girls because they were damn easy and that was because I am also desi so I knew how to approach them. Difficult are other races because you don’t know their culture and it’s hard to “fit in” in their social circles. I must admit my toughest challenge was “pretty black girls”. They usually hang out with their own, but I had a couple of them only because I have black friends. It’s interesting you mentioned girls like intelligent guys, very true for desi girls, but not so true for American girls. You have to be funny, out going, and must have bling bling. Intelligence is always good but not necessary. It’s a whole different ball game with local chicks in here.

    Quoting from you, “I dunno why I find these Butts so hilariously weird, may be its not just the name but the way they behave has something to do with it”. What?????? Well, I understand last name being Butt could be amusing but you pretty much painted every Butt with the same brush. Btw my friend Anwer Butt was talking about “pride” and “ego” izzat, a seasoned writer like you should know the context of the sentence. I did not find it funny.

    I heard of the “acupressure” before and that too from an unlikely source. I was traveling from Pittsburgh to NY City and I had seat in the plane with this guy who was unusually nice. We started talking, first he mentioned I have nice lips and then he assumed me as Arab. He was like, “I heard the size of the nose is proportionate to the size of d*ck, so do you have a large one?” I played along and said, “Yes I hear that a lot in the men’s locker room”. He got excited and said he knows this art (acupressure) and he could “relieve” me in just a few minutes. I showed interest and he told me all his endeavors and insisted I eat lunch with him on JFK Airport. I said sure. Well, we get to the JFK Airport, he buys me an expensive lunch, when we finished, I asked him to go and wait for me in the rest room and I’ll try his “acupressure”. I wonder if he is still waiting for me in the rest room.

  51. #51 by theossa on May 7, 2008 - 2:29 PM

    The game between Mumbai and Rajasthan is about to begin. Rajasthan is batting first. Guess what? Akmal is out, so that put a smile on my face.

  52. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2008 - 3:36 PM

    I turned my TV a bit late but, before that I saw theossa’s post about Akmal and I said to myself how come Akmal fits into the team? I wrote here the other day that owing to the restrictions of playing only 4 foreign players, with Shane Warne, Shane Watson, Graeme Smith and Tanvir doing so well, Akmal will never find a place in the team. So it was a kinda shocker for me to read that Akmal is playing and not that he was out. So, I wonder how theossa mistook someone like Yousuf Pathan or Smith as shorty Akmal?

    Right now the game is in Mumbai’s control 94/6 in 13 overs. And Sachin is chirping avec Shastri on the big screen and on the TV as well. Oh my God, I just can’t believe that even a person like Tendulkar is buttering Ambani’s for supporting him with all praises and accolades that how supportive they are towards him and every other player despite the fact they were losing the Ambanis were saying, never mind, never mind. Money can make you talk and do everything. Rest laters after the match.

  53. #53 by Awas on May 7, 2008 - 3:47 PM


    Unfortunately, our Javed does rant sometimes without putting his thinking hat on. As you can see, I did comment on Javed’s comment later to say “it was a bit of generalisation here and that your friend might be a good guy”.

    By the way, LOL @ that toilet (Washroom) incident…good one. You showed him where he belongs. Is there anyone who doesn’t fall for your charm?

  54. #54 by abdul on May 7, 2008 - 4:05 PM

    It’s a glorious summers day and cricket season is well underway in the Uk. I played my first league match on the weekend and despie our team failing to get over the line I perosnallly performed well capturing 4 wickets and two catches. This Saturday I’ve got the secound league match against a good opposition which I look forward in playing. Awas my dear friend do u play cricket ?

  55. #55 by theossa on May 7, 2008 - 4:13 PM

    I don’t know whether Rajasthan is outplayed completely or this is something to do with the wicket. Should be an easy chase for Mumbai I suppose.

    Awas, I was just taken by surprise when I read the Javed’s comments about Butts. I guess he is one of those rare Pathan’s who doesn’t like Butts.

    Javed, I guess I was talking about Akmal being out of the team, since I did not follow the weekend games, I did not know he was not in the team in previous games. It was just my prejudice against Akmal talking.

    So who you guys pick?

  56. #56 by Awas on May 7, 2008 - 5:07 PM

    Mohammed Munir

    In your message to khansahab “Let’s strike a deal”, I thought you were gonna say “I will”…show you mine if you show me yours….(age of course). ;)-

    I don’t know why people are so coy about their ages (except khansahab of course). You can see mine is at least 100 plus…


    Its interesting at least one of us plays real cricket here and good at it. Back in those days, I used to play Gully Danda Kirkit only in the streets of Lahore, and used to run like hell if I ever smashed someone’s glass or something. I am not so accomplished like you, I am afraid.

    On the current match, I think law of averages is working against Shane Warne’s team. Sohail Tanvir started well but someone has to come up with a 6 for like performance to have any kind of a chance at all.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2008 - 5:31 PM

    LOL theossa,

    By cracking a Butt joke against your friend I haven’t said that I don’t like or hate Butts. If you read my comments again you’ll see that, I’ve used the word hilariously weird. It means I wasn’t serious in defaming them racially or in any derogatory manner whatsoever. In fact I prefer the subcutaneous fat that is around the Butt. 🙂 Scientifically too, its a good fat as opposed to the abdominal visceral fat, because the subcutaneous fat actually decreases insulin resistance. I am not kidding here.

    After all people crack millions of Sardar jokes and email them so frequently and we all laugh at Sardars, as if it is true! Obviously they too have been generalized. People also talk about us, Pathan’s and call us as Akhroats and Niswaris and what not, I don’t mind that. So why is that when someone says Paindoo to someone, he only means it as an insult towards all Punjabis? Perhaps they think they are targeted in a derogatory manner. Can’t they take it as a pun? In fact the “Pun” starts from the moment you “jab” them. 😉

    Awas, its not just the Butts are generalized people have generalized and made fun of Khans and Pathans, like I’ve said above they are generally referred as Akhroats, Niswaris, Khochas, if Pathans are dolts then how come Essa Khan, Moosa Khan, Yahya Khan and Ayub Khan were prophets? 🙂 Come on guys chill out I was just joking.

    theossa, it was your bad luck that on that day in the aircraft the passenger next to you was a chakka, who was looking for a Roman nose above the spectacles and found yours very attractive! From the way you described, his knowledge about acupressure seems to have remained below the belt as he was only interested in relieving the cabin pressure in no time.

    The technique that I know or heard about acupressure is a touch therapy, it is applied on palm mostly under the thumb, since you know palmistry I can specify it by saying on “the mount of Venus.” Its an old Chinese therapy called Jin Shin Do (in America its referred as acupressure) and the “Qi” or yuanqi.

    It is a vital force associated with breath and bodily fluids and sought to control its movement within the body in order to achieve longevity and spiritual power. In fact the Chinese claim it is helpful in curing cancer in experiments involving the progress of carcinoma cells and leukemia in mice. Their experiments are now being offered to Western scientists for duplication and verification. I am sure Salman Khan and Pandit Jee should be able to throw some light on this.

    Btw, the Mumbai Rajhastan match is a one sided affair. Its just like someone I know said, I am marrying Jessica Alba and the marriage arrangements are done by 50% thats because I am ready and she is not….thats one sided affair and a “fishful thinking.”

  58. #58 by theossa on May 7, 2008 - 6:14 PM

    Well, this embarrassing defeat will take some air out the much talked about “Momentum” of Rajasthan Royals. Doesn’t it seem more and more that batting second will give a team better chance in the remaining matches?

    Abdul, good going there buddy, keep it up. I’m working on my straight shots in Tennis Court, played with a Tennis ball. You guessed it right I stink at cricket so that’s the farthest I could come. But watch me commenting on cricket like I must have been a coach or a cricket guru.

    Javed, you explained it well so I’m starting to get a better idea of your sense of humor, I wasn’t the only one who found it unpleasant. But it’s nice to know that you have the core Pushtoon traits intact, and with that I mean you do like trunk and that too a fatty one. Ever dated a black girl? You have such a manipulative style of describing your likes while staying informative; I saw someone here mentioned “chukker” before.
    Who called Pathans Akhroats, Niswaris, Khochas here? We had a guy in University who would say such things and turned out he was “traumatized” by one when he was young. So you get the picture when people say such things they might had an “incident”.
    I agree with what you said about the association of palm and fingers to various vital parts of the body. I don’t know if it is scientifically proven yet but there must be some nerve mechanism involved. One more thing that makes me wonder, when someone yawns, why other people follow?

    See you guys tomorrow for the double header.

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2008 - 11:51 PM


    Even the doctors and scientist say yawns are contagious its true to some extent. Because, according to a research between 50 to 60% people respond to someone else’s yawn. Its not just visual, even if you cover your mouth if you want to, but it won’t keep the next person from catching your yawn. Generally we tend into Identifying with another person’s state of mind while they yawn, the scientists say it is programmed, hence it may trigger an unconscious impersonation, an instinctive reaction.

    If that happens when you are sitting in a waiting room or a lounge and a nice kaki sitting opposite to you, would instantly react and unconsciously impersonates your yawn. Then, if you are a good looking guy, she would smile at you in a very embarrassing way. If you are not her type, then she would avoid looking at you. If that happens among our desi people i.e., if she smiles, they say, “hussey aur phassey.” Poor thinking and lack of eduction.

    One hypothesis is that the phenomenon came about when ancestral humans lived in troops, and it was important for them to wake up at the same time. Yawning may have been a way for them to communicate the level of alertness among different group members but in general it is associated with boredom, sleepiness etc. But, an important observation my sister who is a doc told me and I remember it well i.e., schizophrenics, have a particular difficulty in doing this, they rarely catch yawns, perhaps its not programmed in their system or, may it makes them more insecure!

    I understand your point about people getting “traumatized” which is often referred in a mohazzib andaaz as, “inkay sath bachpan may koi ziyadati hoiee hogi!” that is especially when people speak salees Urdu. On your asking me about dating a black girl. I feel like quoting Hz. Bullay Shah RA’s kalaam:

    Mujnoo rull aashiq kainday
    O’ teri Laiyla rang dee kaali
    Jitta jawaab majnoo,
    miyaan teri aakh nai daykhund wali

    Qura’an Shareef tay warq ne chittay
    Tay likh yae siyaahee kaali
    O Bullay yaa jithay dill aja way
    Tay fir ki gori tay ki kaali

    I am sure you understand this, khansahab can ask Awas to translate it 🙂

    The match was so boring that I don’t feel like writing anything about it. I hope tomorrow’s two matches, especially the second one between Kolkata Night Riders and Bangalooroos should be an interesting one, because it will be at the Eden Garden and Khalifa ul Waqt, Badtameezy kay Badshah, Sultan of swings, Dope kay Shahenshah, Maar kuttaie kay Master, Shoaib Actor will be playing in front of 100,000 spectators. The stadium will be sardine packed. Lets, see whats gonna happen there. Reportedly there are no cheer leaders there after the incident. So, there must some good game. J’espère.

  60. #60 by sarfaraz on May 8, 2008 - 12:44 AM

    Javed khan all your predictions are wrong the latest news is shoaib aktar is not playing tomorrow read the news clip below.

    Thursday, May 08, 2008

    KOLKATA: Shoaib Akhtar will not be playing his first Indian Premier League (IPL) match as a Kolkata Knight Rider (KKR) against the Bangalore Royal Challengers today at the Eden Gardens here due to a fitness problem, team coach John Buchanan said on Wednesday.

    “We are all excited about Shoaib playing for KKR. But he needs to spend some more days with the team so that he can gel well with all the members. Besides I need to be more sure about his fitness before allowing him play for the team,” Buchanan said.

    “Shoaib was his former self at Tuesday’s three-hour match practice at Edens. In fact he was excellent. But still I think he needs some more time to gear up. It will not only benefit him but the entire team.”

    “KKR physio-therapist Andrew Leipus has yet not given Shoaib a fitness certificate. He will have another fitness test Saturday. If he is declared match-fit that day, we can expect him to play Sunday’s match against Hyderabad Deccan Chargers at Rajiv Gandhi International Cricket Stadium in Hyderabad,” the coach added.

    The KKR openers for Thursday’s match will be Salman Butt and Akash Chopra. Captain Sourav Ganguly will come fourth in the batting order

  61. #61 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 8, 2008 - 9:36 AM

    Javed A. Khan …

    LOL @ Al-Mullah and All Mulla emirate joke.

    You are damn right about Sharjah, it still is a relatively ‘thundi’ place, but you must also be knowing that Sharjah and Dubai are almost like twin cities with no real distance. Sharjah is the best place for family and kids as it has good values and some cultural, Islamic and family-oriented environment. However, for our one-off misadventures, we can have Ajman or Dubai at either sides 😉

    Javed Khan if you are ever planning to visit Sharjah/ Dubai, on you way to Pakistan, it sure will be a pleasure to meet in you in person and invite you for a ‘Biryani’.

    Finally, about the pictures, well the angle of the ‘don’t look behind’ picture proves that we are all ‘Pathans’ here 😉

    Even Mussarat Shaheen will be proud of this photo angle 🙂

    Awas …

    LMAO @ “show you mine if you show me yours … (age of course)”.

    Yes, ‘I am agree’ with you, I don’t know why people are so coy about their ages (I can see ‘unknown’ under you age too) 😉 although, Khan Sahab have proudly shown his age as 21 years.

    So I guess the rule is that if you have ‘small’ you show it to all, while if you have ‘large’ you hide it (age of course) 😉

    Khan Sahab …

    I am sure you are mature for all this ‘interesting’ discussion about the age 😉

    But if we continued this way, I would not see any girls visiting this blog and rightly so 😦

    Abdul …

    Good going with your cricket and wish you luck for future game.

    Finally some Cricket …

    Mumbai Indian’s win over Rajesthan was depressing. Lately a few ‘surprising’ results are coming our way, and may be this have to do with the nature of this T20 format. So basically anything can happen to any top team. This is a good situation for the ‘gamblers’ and ‘Bookies’.

    Nevertheless, I think the final of IPL shall be a ‘best of 3’ same like ICL finals, because it will be very unfortunate and disheartening to see a top team thrashed by a minnow in a chance game.

    Lalchand Rajput the couch of Mumbai Indians and ex-assistant-couch India, have applauded Harbajan’s action of slapping Sreesanth 😉

    Charu Sharma have confirmed that he did not leave rather he was dismissed by the owners of Bang-Loroors 😉

    We will miss Shoaib’s acting, I hope he plays in today’s KKR game.

    But it will be interesting to see Shoaib bowling against his arch rivals (Asif and Afridi), they have to settle some old scores 😉

    About this blog …

    – The comments on this blog can be numbered for easy reference. I remember Javed Khan suggesting this at PakSpin, but Kamran never applied it.

    – Live-chat can also be a good option to be added at the blog. Even if not at all times, we can have live-chat when there are live cricket games going.

  62. #62 by theossa on May 8, 2008 - 12:44 PM


    This is you at your best, great writing, good information, and I loved the Hazrat Bullay Shah RA’s kalaam. He is one of the best sufiana kalam poets, very thought provoking and all intelligent. There is another one, he is no sufi, he is more of my type, the rebellion kind, the Pashto poet and philosopher Ghani Khan. He says, “ugha kha da bado bud we, che nakamae to kha ke”, means, the “worst of the bad acts are the good acts which you do by compromise”.


    Contrary to others, I did not hid my age, in my first post I introduced myself by saying I’m 29, who cares? After all Gemini are youthful. The way you think and act, defies your age. I know this almost 60 year professor in the University of Pittsburgh who still clicks with folks in 20s and they love him and guess what? He is a Gemini.
    Hey, don’t worry if girls are not participating on this blog they sure are reading all this with great interest. Do you think girls are any different than guys when it comes to naughtiness? You’ll be surprised. There is a saying, “Men are devils by habit and Women are devils by nature”. Doctor Javed can shed some light on this.

  63. #63 by theossa on May 8, 2008 - 1:30 PM

    Chennai and Delhi game is on. It will probably go the wire. If Dhoni stays I predict Chennai wins this one.

  64. #64 by theossa on May 8, 2008 - 2:13 PM

    Hahaha, Shoaib Malik scored just two runs for Delhi and conceded 28 runs in 2 overs including the match losing 15 runs in the last over. He is our national team captain, way to go Malik, you make us proud.

  65. #65 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 8, 2008 - 3:54 PM

    Bad news first … the drizzle have started again, and there is little chance of seeing a match between Kolkata and Bang-Loroos tonight.

    Comming back to Shoaib Malik … Pathetic is the most suitable word for him. Shoaib was looking like a ‘Lawaaris Yateem’ in the last over where he conceded 15 runs. It seems we have seen the last of another Pakistani player in the IPL.

    Seeing the performances of our Pakistani stars, it seems Younis Khan was the cleverest to opt himself out 😉

  66. #66 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 8, 2008 - 4:03 PM

    theossa …

    You are absolutely right about the Gemini and age issue. We act below our at times.

    A palmist saw my hand once and told be that even at age 80, I may like to behave like a teenager. Well I wish my body also think the same at that age 😉

    It will be intresting to hear your views about the Jennifer Lopez picture. So do you think these are originals or may be she is ‘padding-up’ ? 😉

    I am sure your expereinces with ‘sanf-e-nazok’ and your living in same country as Jennifer, will make your comments worth reading.

  67. #67 by theossa on May 8, 2008 - 4:50 PM

    LOL, Munir..I have already spoken on J LO. Her Booty is 100% real. I cannot talk about her more than that because people with heart problems may experience chest pain, sensation, and twitching at certain areas.

    You said it right, Bang-Loroos are just playing like Loroos. I like this Bang-Loroos, haha.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 8, 2008 - 5:53 PM

    The way Gambhir batted I had no doubts that the subdued Chennai will go down again. But, the match went down to the wire and Dhoni’s men won. Its good for the spectators and viewers perhaps that was the main thing on Shoaib Malik’s mind that he batted and bowled in that fashion. I think under Sehwag’s captaincy he got a taste of his own medicine.

    That is what Malik used to do, throw the ball at other bowlers when he as a captain should have picked up the gauntlet to lead from the front. Sehwag too was thrashed earlier (30 runs in 2 overs) had he would bowled the last over instead of Malik, he would have bowled it more intelligently than Malik ‘coz of his home ground, but not only he chickened out he also used his captaincy triumph card, serves Malik right.

    Gambhir and Sehwag are regular openers for India and both are in good form, if one fails the other scores and that is what is needed from the opening pair. Both of them are on top of the table of individual run getters. But credit goes to Rohit sharma for playing so down the order and, is still competing with these two. Rohit remained not out on a few occasions otherwise he would have been a long way ahead of them.


    Like, Mumbai and Chennai they have changed the name of Bangalore to Bangaluru. Don’t you remember in the previous match Rameez Raja tried to cheer the spectators at the stadium by saying: “Namaskaram Bangalurus.” In fact the original, original name in their native language was “Benda Kaal Ooru” or “boiled beans town” and it is derived from a King who was reportedly lost and some saint showed kindness by giving him some boiled beans to eat and survie, same old stories of sufis, sadhus and sants.

    On Ghani Khan’s poetry who can deny that he is not the best in Pushtu or Pakhtun poetry? In fact his love for Pushtu language can be seen from this verse:

    Pa Wallah chay da Janatha ba sham sthun
    Chay kanzal pakay waw nawram da Patkhun


    I swear I will come out of Paradise
    If I don’t listen to the traditional language of Pakhtun

    LOL @ at him for being so confident of going to Jannat! But the thing is other than Pukhtoons people make fun of Pushtu language i.e., they way it sounds by saying it sounds like, if you place a few stones in a tin cannister and shake it, the sound that you hear is like Pushtu language. But, we say, che tsoomra kholey hoomra khabarey; means jitnay moo utni baatain or many men, many words. Finally on JL’s kunaati, I would say “zwani lewany wi” but only a few are blessed from behind.

    Don’t you guys think that Kolkata’s 130 in 16 overs is a challenging total? Lets see what Umar Gul and Ishant Sharma will do to restrict the Langooroos. Strange that they dropped Misbah after 2 outings.

  69. #69 by Awas on May 8, 2008 - 6:16 PM

    Hi guys, it’s been a busy day at the office today. Now I can comment, so here I go:

    Mohammed Munir

    If you click on the bottom (no pun intended) picture of Lopez i.e. not the first one, a lot of funny comments have already been made by some of us there. Perhaps you didn’t realise that.

    By the way, when I said you can see my age, I meant it’s obvious from the picture. Unless LMAO is a local terminology, I have not heard of it. Pardon my ignorance but please decipher it for me.

    I don’t know whether Younis Khan had such a foresight to predict Pakistanis batting failures and “opt out” but to me it seemed more a case of “Roos-gia” with the chairman or something like that.

    Some of us are very envious of this personal invitation ;(- Javed A Khan already knows how much I dream of his Biriyani (one of my favourites) and barbecues.


    Sir, it’s good of you to comment. Yours is a good example of our tolerance to criticism. Tell us more about you though.

    Finally, some interesting philosophical thoughts from Javed A Khan and Theossa on Sufis. These Bullay Shah types create and compliment our classical traditions and folklore so well that only us Desi’s can understand and appreciate it.

    In Qawalis, for example, Nasrat Fateh Ali Khan was one stalwart (literally) who took it a step further and introduced the best of our musical traditional culture to the West. Just imagine, if only he had survived a little longer… Before him the world only knew India’s Ravi Shankar in anything classical.

  70. #70 by theossa on May 8, 2008 - 6:46 PM

    Well, Loroos are in tatters. I predict Kolkata wins this, unless someone plays a mad max, which is highly unlikely from Loroos. Javed, I just got IPL package and I’ll watch recordings starting from tomorrow’s game. At work I just use Cricinfo’s live text commentary and that’s when I comment on Legslip. I’ll catch you guys tomorrow, gotta work on our states’ crumbling roads and bridges.

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 8, 2008 - 7:25 PM

    Yeah, they won by 5 runs, Cameron White’s run out was crucial had he stayed perhaps there was a chance, but the pressure was on the Bangalurus they didn’t get a good start. Anyways lets see what the Deccan Chargers will do in Jaipur tomorrow, it will be an interesting encounter as the Chargers are fully charged up after their win at the same time the Rajhastanians are playing on their home ground in front of their home crowd which will support them.

    For those bloggers who want to comment other than cricket they can freely write more in the hot gals cool cars section in other words in JL’s backyard. Like Awas said double click on the bottom, do that and you will see a few comments, keep adding your comments under the or, behind the whatever.


    I thought only we have crumbling roads and bridges in our city because of the snow and salt. Would you believe it in some of the big parking lots you will still find some snow melting slowly. This year we had a record snow, even in front of my house with the snow ploughs and snow removal trucks creating snow banks there was a heap of over 10 feet of snow without exaggeration and it has melted just a week or ten days ago.

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 8, 2008 - 9:29 PM


    About Qawalli, there is no doubt about Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, yes he is no more there but, we have a very good qawaal called Farid Ayaz & Hum nawa. Here is a link not so long watch this video:

    theossa this one is on Kabir Das, so you should also see. May be the quality of sound in that youtube video is not good but I have one of their CD’s from the recent concert in Montreal its amazing. It has Mera Piya Ghar Aya, Chaap Tilak Sab Cheeni Ray Mo Say Naiyna Milaiyke etc.

  73. #73 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 8, 2008 - 9:49 PM

    Today both the games were just great and went down to the wire. I am happy for the Kala-Kata (Black Calf) win and one reason is because it has Pakistani players, so our sympathies are naturally with them.

    It really hurts seeing the way Pakistani players are playing in this IPL. Umer Gul, who have been good so far, was out of touch today. Plus Kala-Kata preferred Taibu over Hafeez and Taibu even performed well with the bat as well as with his fielding, without being keeping the stumps. I guess they gave enough chances to Hafeez already, while Salman’s Butt is also resting. Earlier Asif was also dismal in the Delhi Dare Davils game, while Shoaid Malik was a total disgrace.

    I guess the best place for our players is to sit out of the playing eleven and enjoy the cheergirls 😦

    Khan Sahab …

    Where have you been brother? You are surely missed on LS. Hope all is well.

    Awas …

    I did ‘click’ on J Lo’s bottom and it opened-up like a Pandora box 😉

    LMAO stands for Laugh My Ass Off, something like LOL. I also use the words LMFAO where F stands for …….. Well you know what it stands for.

    So let me say it again, LMAO @ ‘Roos-gia’, yes he is ‘Roosda hai’ a lot.

    About the invitation, actually all are surely welcome to visit and I guarantee you Biryani and BBQ too.

    Dubai is a good place to visit … so who is first?

    theossa …

    Javed A. Khan gave the full detailed dissection of the Bang-Loroos. Well I think the original name of ‘Benda Kaal Ooru’, sounds more like “Banday Ka Loroo” 😉

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 8, 2008 - 11:44 PM


    Awas is saying: “Javed A Khan already knows how much I dream of his Biriyani (one of my favourites) and barbecues.” meaning his standards are very high so you have to keep up that standard as my biryani is a bench mark. Biryani doesn’t mean you take him to Pak Ghazi restaurant or Dilli Restaurant for Nihari or Chachay and Mamay Di Macchi for fish. Btw, I like that Lucknow Kebab Paratha in Sharjah. Is he still there?

  75. #75 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on May 9, 2008 - 1:34 AM


    I was reading your comments of 6th May about Shahrukh Khan in particular the remark about children growing in this so-called Deen-e-Elahi sort of environment. I want you and other readers on this blog to see this one minute video of Shahrukh Khan. Please watch it everyone.

    Its a shame that he has so blatantly talked against the teachings of Islam while admitting that he does not know much about religion, yet he is sending this message not only to his own children but to the millions of other Muslim children in the sub-continent who consider him an icon.

  76. #76 by khansahab on May 9, 2008 - 8:46 AM

    Mohammad Munir,

    Thanks for missing me, I am here. Just didn’t get time yesterday as my work shift (12 noon-8pm) is very restricting. Actually I was not able to gain authority yesterday but now I have regained authority, so I can make this comment.

    Kamran Abbasi has started a good thread on Pakspin and a few days ago I was contemplating a similar thread on LS.

    Pakistani players with the exception of Sohail Tanvir have been very disappointing. Mr Abbasi has hit the nail on the head by stating that this is due to the poor quality of the players more so than anything else. My view is that this is an indication of the sheer failure of Pakistani cricket under the leadership of Nasim Ashraf, whose tenure so far has only consisted of battles with the media, the public and some controversial players. It seems he has spent more time in hearings and tribunals as opposed to in his office working on an agenda that would benefit Pakistan cricket.
    Shoaib Malik has failed as the captain of the team and the sooner he is removed the better it will be for the country.

    Jehanzeb Khan Niazi,

    Yes, as Muslims who have grown up amongst other Muslims we condemn the statements made by Indians that equate the teachings of Hinduism to the teachings of Islam. However for someone like Shahrukh Khan who was raised in a HIndu background and who has a Hindu wife, preaching the superiority of Islam and inferiority of Hinduism is not exactly possible. There are thousands of Muslims in the UK, USA, Australia who have married people from other faiths and whose spouses have remained true to their original faith. This has caused their offspring to be misguided in terms of following one particular religion and most likely the kids have grown up not actually having a religion.

    As a society India is still not as liberal socially as Western countries. With an 80% Hindu majority it is impossible for a Muslim to rise amongst the ranks and become famous or popular, if he makes a point to condemn the teachings of Hinduism or to preach about the sayings of Islam. You can admonish Hinduism and preach about what you think Islam is about in Pakistan with a 97% Muslim majority, but it goes without saying that you cannot do the same in a predominantly Hindu country.

    I don’t think there is anything wrong with saying that there is one God and you can call him Allah or “Bhagwan” or whatever you like. The only point I have against Shahrukh or Hinduism generally is the idol worshipping. However it is different religion to ours and all religions need to be respected because religion whether it is Hinduism or Buddhism reinforces morality and the concept of right and wrong within an individual. The idea of a life after death or some sort of retribution for good and bad deeds done, is an excellent tool for ensuring an individual keeps a check on his worldly actions.

  77. #77 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 9, 2008 - 9:34 AM

    Javed A. Khan …

    I am sure I can never cook as well a Biryani as you, but this does not mean that I have not tasted the best cooked Biryani.

    In his younger days a lion will have his mother bring him the food, while when the lion grows older the lioness brings him the food. The lion never hunts for himself, this is why he is called LION. Now it may be a case that in his old age a lion could be forced to hunt for himself, but then I may learn to cook my own Biryani by then 😉

    So far, I am lucky enough to have my Biryani cooked for me, and I assure you and Awas that I will arrange to have you guys tasted the best Biryani around.

    I can’t say much about your Biryani capabilities, unless I am lucky enough like Edward De Bono and Awas, and have the privilege of eating your Biryani.

    LOL on Chachay and Mamay Di Macchi … (Mama was the original classic, while Chacha was a ditto copy, riding on Mama’s laurels).

    Seeing your thorough knowledge of Sharjah and UAE in general, I am sure it must not be long that you lived here. You are right about that Lucknow Kebab Paratha, it used to be around the Bank Square near Rolla (Borj Banking Avenue), and I used to eat there in my early banking days.

    They opened a full large eatery called Afadhal Restaurant, at Al Wahda Street near Gibca building. The food is still equally good.

    Jehanzeb Khan Niazi / Salman Khan …

    I watched the Youtube video, and I feel sorry for Shahrukh Khan. This is the price you should be ready to pay for being a Muslim celebrity in India.

    Speaking of Shahrukh Khan, have someone noticed that their team, Kala-Kata has won only those three games where Shahrukh was himself present in the stadium. There must be something special about the guy the way they played.

    In their next game, when Deccan Chargers play Kala-Kata on Sunday 11.05.2008, Shoaib will get a chance to show his Acting skills against Afridi 😉

  78. #78 by Awas on May 9, 2008 - 9:51 AM

    “retribution for good and bad deeds done”. Khansahab, now you have put fear in my heart…please take all the naughty pictures away…thank you for the sermon ;)- I better just look forward to the promises of some nice food offers…Mana from Heavens…

  79. #79 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 9, 2008 - 9:51 AM


    good to see you back after having managed to squeeze sometime for the blog from the undoubtedly busy working schedule and the personal life of yours. I can very well understand the pressure especially knowing your passion for cricket. It must be really hard to keep yourself away from the center of all the action thats going-on on this blog.

    The point that you have raised from Kamran’s latest thread about Pakistan cricket team is good but, the important point that you have raised about DNAge in the PCB and the problems that he is solving and he is unable to pay any attention to the team or the players is due to obvious reasons. It is an extremely valid point and needs to be discussed. Because, all the major failures in every walk of life are always referred to the top and the person at the top becomes the victim.

    You are absolutely right that ever since he arrived at the scene he is dealing with problems and got very little or no time to deal with the team or the players individually. Like most people I was also putting all the blame on him, but when you take a pause and look into the grassroots of the problem you find the reason behind it. So, once again a very valid point that you have raised and Nasim Ashraf should not be made the escape goat in a system which is so full of bureaucracy, jingoism, regionalism, nepotism and BS-ism.

    Coming to the other sensitive point that you have picked up from the previous discussions i.e., about SRK and religion. It is a very sensitive matter and I would have refrained from throwing a stone in that beehive. But, the forum has opened the Pandora’s box and there is a deliberation or a motion on the floor so, I might as well join the bandwagon and express my views.

    The teachings of Islam are very clear about respecting other religions and it has been clearly mentioned in the Qura’an in Surah Al-Kafiroon: “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.” The interpretation or tafsir also emphasized the need to respect other religions. The point that Salman Khan and others have mentioned above is slightly different from what you are saying. No one is expecting from SRK to condemn Hinduism over Islam or vice versa.

    What he is basically doing is, mixing his own muddled thinking (by acknowledging the fact that he doesn’t know much about Islam) and twisting the teachings of Islam. Its not a matter of condemning another religion, but trying to convey a message to the people, especially the young ones that it is OK, rather it is the best thing to do what he is doing. Actually, what he is doing is a showbiz act. Because, in that country he wants to be very popular by hook or by crook and by doing what he is doing he gets the support from the masses, polling, rating, popularity is his religion.

    Whether it is SRK or the “missile man of India” Professor and ex-President of India, Abdul Kalam who have similar thinking, similar ideologies, different roles but same goal i.e., to stay popular by creating controversies. It is all good when you talk about one Creator. But, every religion has its ideology and Islam has its own doctrine and principles and neither SRK nor Abdul Kalam or anyone has the right to change them.

    Perhaps they both don’t know the real difference between “kufr” and “shirk” being a Kaafir or a disbeliever is up to an individual, it is between him and his God. But in Islam you cannot propagate “shirk” and say it is fine. No, sir this is absolutely wrong and it is against the teachings of Islam.

    The Moghul Emperor Jalaluddin Mohammad Akbar created his own religion “Deen-e-Ilahi” for his own personal reasons i.e., to get married with the Rajput women or to acquire their wealth, does not mean that Deen-e-Ilahi is Islam. No one is forcing people to accept or embrace Islam, no one is condemning other religions, they are free to practice or worship whomsoever they like, but please don’t create “shirk” don’t exploit it in the name of God.

    If SRK does that in a movie, its just a role and, what he is doing at home or in his personal life he is responsible for those acts and deeds but, he has no right to tell the world what he is doing or propagating about Islam is also right. No way Jose, ignorance is bliss but shirk is the biggest sin in Islam.

    Its weird that if you remove “hi” from the word shirk, what remains are Shahrukh Khan’s initials SRK. In other words SRK is saying Hi. Practicing and propagating SHIRK. To be very honest, I don’t give a shit to that man. Just because he is involved in cricket in IPL and people have brought up this discussion, so I have expressed my thoughts.

    Its too early in the morning here and in about 5 hours or so the Deccan Chargers and Rajhastan Royals match would start. Lets keep our focus on that. I am sure theossa must be pretty excited to see Gilly and Afridi opening the innings. That won’t happen. Perhaps Laxman would be back today!

  80. #80 by Salman Khan on May 9, 2008 - 10:23 AM

    I have not read all the posts , . . . . . . . only some . . . . . . Javed has mentioned about the history of Deen-E-Elaahi. This was a hybrid religion , introduced by Akbar , most probably to garner support for ”secularism” from the Non-Muslim masses of India . It was , in my opinion , a purely political decision. Not unintelligent by the way, indeed he is considered to be ”Akbar the Great” by most Indian Historians. I do not think that religion played an important part in any Mughal Emperor’s life. Babur was too busy fighting , Humayun was timid and was lucky that Sher Shah Suri died unexpectedly , Akbar was a Politician who did not mind sucking up to expand his empire, Jahangir was too busy drinking and smoking Ganja , ShahJahan was an ugly lovebird who could never accept that someone as beautiful as Mumtaz would procreate with him. Aurangzeb was the only true Islamic follower but he was cruel and intolerant. Sorry guys, my pager has started screaming again, I will write a bit more later,

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 9, 2008 - 11:41 AM

    Salman Khan

    You have nicely summed up the era of the Moghul Empire that ruled India for over 350 years in one paragraph. Unfortunately for us your pager rang at the wrong time, aur:

    Kitna hai Badnaseeb Zafar ! Dafn kay liyeh
    Do guzz zameen bhee na mili koocha-e-yaar may.


    How ill-fated Zafar is ! For his own burial
    He couldn’t even get two yards of earth in land of the beloved.

    Poor last Moghul Emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar when he was the ruler, he spent most of his time in reciting or listening poetry in his court and then he spent the rest of his life in prison cell in Burma and died there. In any case I don’t consider him bad because at least he helped the cause of developing rather pushing the literacy rate through poetry and literature.

    He was also very unfortunate that all his sons were beheaded by the British Army and not only that, the most cruel thing they did was to present him the beheaded heads in a tray as a gift to him. Now they give us a lecture on Humanity and mankind, about freedom, love, humility and compassion.

    That is another thing that Zafar’s over indulgence in poetic luxuries and his negligence led to mutiny and the East India Company which came to India, under the disguise of doing business, ruled the country for another 90 years. But, prior to that, they created so much hatred, animosity and hostility among the people of India that they stood up against each other and killed their own countrymen. The famous quote:”Divide and Rule” was the order of the day then, and it exists even now.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 9, 2008 - 12:01 PM


    my earlier comment that Laxman would be back again was only to jinx him. He is in doubt today and Gilly will retain the winning combo. The only bad thing for Deccan Chargers and good for Rajhastan is Demetris is included in their team, I dunno at whose expense? Graeme Smith? Because, Shane Watson is not only batting well with 208 runs and 9 wickets so far, Shane Warne is the captain and indispensable, Tanvir is bowling great, so, if Dimitri Mascarenhas gets in it will only be in place of Graeme Smith. Lets see.

  83. #83 by theossa on May 9, 2008 - 2:39 PM

    Lol Javed, my mother used to say do not mess with people with “black tongue”, if they curse you then Lord’ O Mercy. Hey Javed and rest of the gang I really wanna comment on some great posts by you guys but we have this emergency project where an oversize trailer hit a bridge pier so we are evaluating if the bridge safety is in jeopardy, I have to go out in the field and inspect the resulting stress on the rest of piers, so I’ll catch you on Monday. Have a good weekend.

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 9, 2008 - 3:41 PM

    Once again Afridi disappoints with the bat. Even Tanvir in his first two overs was sent all over the park. Abysmal performance by the Pakistanis in this tournament. 103 for 5 and only 5 overs remaining the Deccan Chargers may not cross even 140 runs and that too if Rohit Sharma stays till the end otherwise they may end up under 125 in any case their chances are very dim.

  85. #85 by Awas on May 9, 2008 - 4:16 PM

    Yeah, “Abysmal” is the right word Javed.

    The fox that Shane Warne really is, I thought he would have no problem in turning Afridi’s weakness to his advantage, when I saw Warne bowling to Afridi. He has often made even accomplished batman like Inzi look ordinary. Once Inzi missed a hoick on Warne’s bowling and almost fell flat on the ground. Warne laughed so humiliatingly at Inzi that he was really embarrassed and got out to him soon after.

  86. #86 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 9, 2008 - 5:08 PM

    This match is already over. My bad, I said if Rohit is out early they won’t make even 125 but he was run out the next ball. Thanks to Venugopal Rao he took that total to 140. The RR openers are playing well and DC bowling is pathetic. Only a miracle can save them but, miracles don’t happen these days.

    When Afridi played Shane Warne’s first ball he tried to sweep it and missed it, the second one he bowled, I knew that he will jump out of his crease to loft it over the long on or long off area, but he is so predictable even a child could predict what he would have done and the bowler was Shane Warne he saw him coming adjusted the ball and Afridi mistimed and a leading edge in the third man region got him. What an Akhtoat he is, he should have had a little niswar before coming in to bat.


    Inzi has made many people laugh, Once after hitting a six he fell on the wickets. The umpire raised his hands for a six the cameraman zoomed in at the ball, the players and the crowd were all looking at the ball which he hooked only to find him falling on the stumps. Not to mention the two occasions when he was out obscuring or obstructing the fielder.

    Amir Churail with a frog in his throat is croaking in slow motion in his usual phony accent, he said the score is sixty ……………………………………………. one! I wonder what he will do when he grows old and get Alzheimer’s disease? Perhaps he will speak one word today and the next, a day after!

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 10, 2008 - 9:35 AM


    On your “Biryani & the Lion” analogy you have reminded me of something that I enjoyed recently at a friend’s party. There was a group of young Indian doctors at that party and all of them are very talented in their profession and, one of them was very exceptional in mimicking and he entertained everyone by using a microphone. You name any actor or any celebrity and he would mimic him or her to perfection.

    His best piece was on old Indian actor “Ajit” who died I don’t know when, but I remember seeing one or two of his movies on a video a few years ago. His famous stint was his roles as a ‘smuggler’ and he is the boss or baas as he is called and his famous secretary is “Mona Daaling” and Ajit very proudly says, “yahan sab mujhay “LOIN” kay naam say jaantay hain”

    After that dinner party, I came to know that Ajit used to be a very famous character and even now his jokes are talked about and even after his death, everyday people keep creating new jokes on him and keep on adding to the on-line website on Ajit jokes, here is the link:

    The fun is not just in reading it, the fun is when someone as talented as that Indian doctor who mimicked him in his nasal voice that makes those jokes hilarious. So, the question that I was going to ask you earlier and I forgot is: “Are you known as a “LOIN” in Sharjah? And, who cooks Biryani for you, Mona Daaling or a Fairy Godmother?” 🙂


    Ajit’s cricket related joke, just for the heck of it:

    Ajeet: Raabert, Test Match mein kyaa ho raha hai ?
    Raabert: Baas, Vivian Richards chhakke pe chhakka maar raha hai.
    Ajeet: Saaleh ko sabak sikhana hee padega. Lunch break mein usse phone milana.
    Raabert: Yes Baas.
    Ajeet: (on phone, to Richards): Veeveeyun Reechards, tumhari Maa hamare khabze mein hai …….

  88. #88 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 11, 2008 - 5:17 AM

    LOL / LMAO / LMFAO @ Javed A. Khan.

    I knew it was comming 😉

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 11, 2008 - 9:06 AM

    You knew the googly was coming, still you left a big gate between the bat and the pads and got clean bowled ! So, the middle stump got uprooted and the bails went flying over the keeper’s head? 🙂

  90. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2008 - 2:16 PM

    Although technically this thread is closed, but I am only writing something to some up what we all thought about Shane Warne’s captaincy and what I am writing is not my own words but something that I am copy pasting the exact words of some of the players who have talked about Warne’s captaincy.

    “”In the world there can be only one Taj Mahal. Similarly, there can only be one Shane Warne.”

    Dinesh Salunkhe, the Rajasthan Royals legspinner who is yet to play first-class cricket, declares his captain one of the wonders of the world

    “It shows that when you play under good captains you tend to pick up a lot of good leadership qualities and instincts. Warne has, I think, benefited from playing under good captains and he is very much in control of things in the IPL.”

    Younis Khan, a Royals signing who hasn’t played for the side yet, applauds from the sidelines

    “You can study psychology for as long as you want, but he has lived it.”
    Jeremy Snape, the Royals’ assistant coach and holder of a degree in psychology

    “Not only has he led the cheapest franchise to the top of the table … he has cajoled his team’s unheralded youngsters and – even more difficult, this – almost convinced everyone that he is now best mates with Graeme Smith.”
    Lawrence Booth highlights Warne’s key achievement, in the Guardian

    “He is a great player and he leads from the front. He has done a great job in putting the team together and motivating them to give their best.”
    Glenn McGrath has a few words of praise for an old mate

    “His captaincy creed, ‘We can win from any position,’ is like the common cold – it’s contagious. If a team under Warne pulls off a stunning victory or two, the players start to believe that it wasn’t a miracle, just an everyday occurrence.”

    For Ian Chappell, Warne is the best captain Australia never had

    “Even a long break from the game doesn’t seem to faze him.”
    Rahul Dravid, one of the other captains in the tournament, salutes

    “Incredibly, his devotion to the team, and especially to the young players in it, even includes learning the Hindi language so he can communicate better – and not just the Namaste [G’day] that is about as far as most expatriates living in India can go. Example: “Ab tu jaake batting kar” [Now you go and bat], Warnie the linguist was heard telling Ravindra Jadeja during a net session the other day with such nonchalance that he never turned to see if anyone noticed.”

    Bruce Loudon in the Australian details Warne’s efforts to bond with his team.

  91. #91 by Veysel Peru on September 23, 2008 - 12:10 PM

    to Mr. Javed A. Khan

    Hello Mr Khan,

    My name is Veysel Peru. Humbly, I am the inventor of Veyselic Numbers. I saw that somewhere in the internet (namely in the site ) you have mentioned about Veyselic Numbers. I wonder where did you get the information about Veyselic Numbers and what do you think about it. I will be very pleased if you answer these questions, becuase this issue is extemely important for me and you are the first person in the world using Veyselic Numbers in a sentence J I understand that you are from Pakistan but you live in Canada?

    Veysel Peru
    Istanbul, Turkey

  92. #92 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2008 - 3:02 PM

    Dear Mr. Veysel Peru

    First of all thank you for the honour of making me the first person in the world using Veyselic numbers in a sentence, which may or may not be correct. But, let me make this very clear to you that I am not a mathematician, in fact my knowledge about maths is zilch.

    When I used your name with the numbers, I think I was responding to one of our colleagues (theossa) question who is a mathematician and I guess it was about “numbers and words” and, which is more powerful?

    That was just to make a point or two, to win an argument I wrote that numbers are powerful than words, although words too are very powerful, as you cannot say 1, 2, 3 to your wife and expect her to understand that you are saying: “I love you.” Words can change a person’s life, you can win someone’s heart or create an enemy for life by using words. People can kill other people if they choose the wrong word or abuse them with some brutal words.

    Knowing theossa is a mathematician, I gave the example of binary numbers 01 which are the basis of binary language or the language that is used in computers. I must have stumbled across Veyselic Numbers while I was doing some research on binary numbers and the importance of numbers in Qur’an.

    I never knew that one day I would be honoured to meet a living legend called Veyselic Peru, the inventor of Veyselic Numbers who stunned me like the great mathematician legend Srinivasa Ramunajam and he would find me on the Internet, on this cricket blog called wow, I am impressed.

    Like, you I have also wondered why this binary number 01 is used in Arabic / Urdu style .1 ? Instead of the Roman 10?

    And, I have also read about the importance of numbers in Qur’an, the figure 19 in Surah Al- Muddaththir 74:30 and its explanation. Also, in various other verses like Surah Al-Nisa, Surah Al Dhuriyat etc. how Allah has explained and clarified about creating pairs: It says: “Wa min kulli shai’in halakna zavjayni leallekum tezekkerun.” or, “And of every thing We have created pairs.” that ye may reflect. All the creatures are pairs, i.e. they are even, not odd, like the number zero.

    Your explanation was very meaningful and powerful when you wrote. “imagine that there is one and only 1 (“Ehad”), and many zeroes (“Kesret”): The zeroes cannot exist without the one (Samed). The zeroes must be on the left of 1 (According to Veyselic Numbers), meaning that they prostrate to Allah.” Thats a beautiful explanation.

    Yes, I am originally from Pakistan and live in Canada, been to Turkey 4 times, I love Turkey and Turkish people, food, the history and culture, and the way they respect us and show their hospitality, it is amazing. Do you watch the TV serial called Numb3rs? I do, they show how crimes can be solved using mathematical algorithms etc.

    When learning abc and 123 my 14 months old son refused to count eleven, twelve even thirteen. He insisted on saying oneteen, twoteen, threeteen, fourteen, fiveteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twoten 20, threeten30, fourten40, and tenten for 100. No one paid much attention to his protest and he lost interest in maths. When I told this to my Dad, he said, I did the same as a kid, I used to count numbers adding and multiplying them into millions, any number that was given to me, I used to keep doubling it and in every party at home or at my dad’s friends, I was surrounded by my dad’s friends who used to test my maths.

    I didn’t like that kinda attention and stopped doing it and as a high school student I used to hate maths. But, even today there is something inside me, a kinda burning desire that I want to solve the mysteries through numbers and art. But, I don’t think I will do anything or achieve anything significant because, I have too much on my plate and I get distracted by so many other things.

    I was the best artist in my school and used to draw and sketch portraits just like that but, that too I stopped and started Arabic Calligraphy after I was inspired by Sadeqain and when I went to Turkey, I spent a lot of time in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul and started doing my Calligraphy again, but that too didn’t last long, like I said, too many things in life and I have not been able to sort out my priorities. This reminds me of Faiz Ahmad Faiz’s verse.

    Duniya nay teri yaad say bay gana ker diya
    Tujh say bhee dil faraib hain gham roz gaar kay!

    Its hard to explain the meaning in English. If you insist upon knowing the meaning, I will try some other time, but right now I have to go. Once again, thank you for those compliments, but you deserve a lot more than what you got, your work is great. Wish you all the best.

  93. #93 by Veysel Peru on September 24, 2008 - 9:06 AM

    Dear Mr Javed A Khan,

    You made me extremely happy with your compliments and ideas. Thank you. You cannot imagine how few people understands my thoughts as much as you do, in fact I think it iz zero for now. I am not also a mathematician, I am a computer engineer. If you don’t mind, I want to have your mail address for I have got some other things to say to you. I see that you are a very busy person but since I found you I don’t want to miss you. So, can you please send me an e-mail to address: ?

    Veysel Peru

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