Small is the new Big

The talk about IPL as the BIGGEST cricket event is like, “the talk of the town.” But, the question is, which town? And how long this so-called “momentum” will continue? And how long will it keep the spectators and viewers interest alive? Especially when you see the same team playing again and again and that too, with so many new names and new faces you hardly know and you will hardly remember them after the tournament. Generally people believe that BIG is best. But that is only a misnomer, as the expression goes, “the bigger they are, the harder they fall.” So with all the cricket players and bollywood actresses in it, its like: Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water – Jack fell down and broke his crown – And Jill came tumbling after. Lets see whether Jack Ambani falls first or, Preity Jill comes tumbling after?

The Big (Bang) Theory is not just restricted to business only, even in cricket a big country like India wanted to Get Big Fast believing that it is the one and only motto for startups. Because big companies can go public and get more access to capital and use that capital to get even bigger. IPL has Bollywood millionaires and billionaire Industrialists who are financing them. Just like Big accounting firms were the place to go to get audited if you were a big company, because a big accounting firm could be trusted. Big law firms were the place to find the right lawyer, because big law firms were a one-stop shop. Similarly big show-biz attracts big media companies, big media companies means big news and TV coverage.

Of course, it’s not just big organizations that added value to business, they made us believe that Big planes were better than small ones, because they were faster and more efficient. Big buildings were better than small ones because they facilitated communications and used downtown land quite efficiently. Bigger computers and bigger networks could handle more simultaneous users, as well. After all that BIG, Big and big, small happened. Now small is the new big.

Enron – BIG got audited by Andersen BIG and failed BIG. The big World Trade Center was a target. TV advertising is collapsing so fast you can hear it. American Airlines BIG is getting creamed by Jet Blue “think small”. Main frames are already extinct like dinosaur. Big computers are silly, they use lots of power and are not nearly as efficient as properly networked like Dell boxes – at least that’s the way it works at Yahoo and Google. Big boom boxes are replaced by tiny ipod shuffles. (Yeah, I know big-screen TVs are the big thing. Can’t be right all the time). But smaller cell phones are the in thing, rather it is the only thing when men take pride in showing-off by saying: “Mine is smaller than yours.”

Today, little companies often make more money than big companies. Little jets are way faster – door to door and small hauls – than big ones. Today, craigslist has only 18 employees and it is the fourth most visited website according to some measures. They are partly owned by e-Bay which has more than 4,000 employees, which hopes to stay in the same league, traffic-wise. So, is it better to be the head of craigslist or the head of UPS?

We all know the Caribbean WC was a big failure, financially and otherwise and they also complained it as a very long and boring event. Why IPL is still catching the so-called “momentum”? There are a few reasons, the population; a majority of whom have no entertainment source other than Cinema, TV and cricket and evening outings is sheer entertainment for them. But, it cannot continue that long. Mind you this is just the first IPL tournament and that too halfway through and some people even in India don’t watch all the matches. Most people I know in this part of the world say, its hard to spare time from work and when you don’t follow there is no interest even on week-end you have time to do groceries and shopping besides we don’t know the players, so I guess we don’t miss much. Besides, this tournament is too big and too long, its going on and on. Therefore, one needs to think about the bigger picture rather than the one you see and hear in the “town.”

To conclude this thread based on the facts mentioned above, small is the new big. Because, small gives you the flexibility to change the business model when your competition changes theirs. Small means you can tell the truth on your blog. Small means that you can answer email from your customers. A small law firm or accounting firm or ad agency is succeeding because they’re good, not because they’re big. So smart small companies are happy to hire them. A small restaurant has an owner who greets you by your name. Don’t wait. Get small. Think big.

If you as a blogger don’t agree with this thread, shout BIG and say, “I am agree” NOT.

  1. #1 by khansahab on May 10, 2008 - 8:51 PM

    Quite a thought provoking and creative thread- well written!

    Let me be the first one to say “I am agree”.

    Yes this is good entertainment for the Indian public but the writer is very accurate in his observation that this frenzy will not last. The matches are being played in big cities and India has a growing middle class in cities with greater disposable income than before, hence the stadiums have been full. But we are only halfway through the IPL and it already feels like it has been going on forever!

    Whenever the IPL or similar League is played next, I would recommend changing the format and rules somewhat. As the learned Awas mentioned, teams of cities from around the world would arouse much more interest than the current teams which have a mixture of international and national players. If the IPL is to continue as a success the BCCI and ICC should discuss such strategies. They could have 2 teams from Australia, 1 from New Zealand, 2 from Pakistan, 1 from Sri Lanka and so forth. What this would do is create interest worldwide. At the moment the only people interested in IPL apart from Indians are Pakistanis, Australians, Sri Lankans and a handful of others. The reason why these people are interested is because quite a number of their country’s players are playing. I feel no shame or embarrassment in admitting that the IPL’s success or “momentum” notwithstanding, I am not watching matches of those teams that do not feature Pakistani players. Yes I can watch Punjab’s matches to have a look at the gorgeous Preity Zinta to relieve my testosterone, but I can also look at her pictures browsing the internet without having to waste 4 hours of my precious time wishing to catch a glimpse of her.

    I applaud the writer’s great sense of creativity and presence of mind in discovering a photo of this Beauty with a camera in her lovely hands, which complements the photos of the elephant and cheetah below, really well.

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 10, 2008 - 9:34 PM


    A very good point about teams representing countries rather than a “khichri” or a mixture of international and local players. That will definitely create more interest in all countries and India can have 2 teams.

    Right now, there might be 6 dozen local players because of the rules only 4 foreign players are allowed so 7×8=56 and there are so many standby players, so I am not wrong in saying six dozen. And how many names do you remember other than the Indian national team?

    One of my friend’s dad is an ardent follower of cricket and the other day I asked him if he is enjoying the IPL tournament? He responded, “No, not really.” I asked him the reason and he said, “I enjoy more when I know the players, and most of the players in this tournament are unknown to me so, there is no fun.” There you go.

    Also, there are so many matches and it seems like this tournament is not going to be over, to sum in the words of a Hindu friend of mine, he said, “yae tournament hai ya Daropadi ki Saree?” Those of you don’t know what it means may not get the joke. Basically, it means its unending sort of episode. If you want to know more about Daropadi you should find out form the Internet I don’t want to go into the details.

  3. #3 by khansahab on May 10, 2008 - 10:17 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    You alluded to the point about limit of international players. This is something I wanted to address in my post, but forgot. If I recall correctly you mentioned beforehand at some point that the limit should have been 5, not 4. I agree to this.

    Whichever angle you employ to assess the situation, the bottom line is that India’s cricketers, India’s businessmen, India’s showbiz personalities and the Indian public are the beneficiaries of this League. Surely if this League was intended to entertain or benefit non Indians, we would have “city teams” or “country teams”, not melting pots? You have also mentioned this before and I would like to reiterate that the tactic of promoting regionalism to make money in IPL is an underhand strategy which blemishes a nation that is otherwise quite united in terms of regions and ethnicities, at least ostensibly.

    Also interesting point about small businesses and large businesses. A relatively small company can do just as well if not more financially as opposed to a big company. In A-level Economics I read about monopolies, oligopolies and monopolistic competitions. It is remarkable how relatively small companies can give big companies a run for their money.

  4. #4 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on May 10, 2008 - 10:24 PM

    Excellent analysis so far on the IPL.

    The suggestion that Pakistan should also start its own version of PPL or whatever is ridiculous. I have already written my reason for it only this morning on Pak-spin.

    I support Khansahab’s suggestion that an Internattional cities teams should be arranged next year instead of “Khichri” as aptly put up by Javed A. Khan, since there would not be much interest left in these kind of teams.

    And only India or England as the second best has the infra-structure, resources, money and above all the crowd to sustain it over a period of time.

  5. #5 by khansahab on May 10, 2008 - 10:31 PM

    javed A Khan,

    On that point about the benefits of not expanding your business, I often speak to people here in the UK about takeaways vs restaurants. I often buy from takeaways not because they are cheaper (some of them are not even that cheap by the way!) but because I prefer the quality of the food. I find it fresher and better cooked basically. Most people here prefer eating out in restaurants and often get amazed when I tell them you can get a better service and better food in takeaways.

    Of course this is not to say that ALL takeaways are like this, but in the same vein not all restaurants are the same, too.

  6. #6 by Rehan Khan on May 10, 2008 - 10:42 PM

    Good thread. One thing i wana ask, the IPL is meant to encourage regionalism as Khansahab and Javed Khan say. I accept it as true, but its puzzling how Dhoni can play for Chennai whereas he is not from chennai, Gony can also play for chennai but he is from punjab. Harbhajan Singh was playing for Mumbai, but he is from Punjab. So why has this apportionment of players not been based around regionalism i wonder?

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 11, 2008 - 8:12 AM


    your point about who are the beneficiaries of this IPL tournament, you have mentioned, the names of Indian businessmen, Bollywood showbiz personalities, Indian public at large and in the other thread you have mentioned that Indian players will also benefit a lot from this league.

    I disagree with the last point i.e., about the players. There is no doubt that so many of the local players who would never have got the chance to become popular are getting popular and for some of them it is a stepping stone into the national team to play internationally. So far so good.

    Remember there will only be 11 players playing so there will be hell of a problem for the selectors to choose from those hundreds who have played for the league.

    The IPL has not raised or improved the standards or they have discovered talent through this tournament. The talent has always been there ever since and without talent they wouldn’t have reached where they are now. Talent is not something you acquire overnight. There is abundance of talent in Pakistan also, but how many get the opportunities to play for the national team?

    The important point to remember is: ALL these Indian players are playing on their home ground on home soil, in front of their home crowd, they know the weather conditions well, they know their pitches well (they play Ranji Tropy, Duleep Singji Trophy and a host of other local tournaments locally – so they travel all over India and play) the point that I am trying to make is even if they are playing against some of the well known foreign and internationally acclaimed renowned bowlers, they are still playing on slow pitches.

    So, whatever experience they may have gained or, will gain is not relative in terms of enhancing their talents. Do you think that these players may play well on the bouncy wickets of Australia and South Africa? One or two sporadic performances does not mean they have discovered a new talent. The best and the well known recognized foreign players have struggled in this tournament, even their local hero Yuvraj Singh has so far failed to score more than 25 runs in this tournament. Had he not been the captain and a recognized ‘hero’ of T20 format, he would have been dropped after 3 consecutive failures.

    Pakistan should not be aping India by creating PPL, they will be the laughing stock and it will never be a success in any terms, leave aside the empty grounds, may be they will get half full during a few matches but, definitely there won’t be proper media coverage. But, the biggest question is of security and who would be willing to play in Pakistan? It will be like, “Kuwwa Challaa Hans ki Chaal.” I think they have their own problems to sort out and they should get their house in order first before thinking of venturing big. They should believe in small is big. Its not the quantity but the quality that matters.

    Today’s encounter between Kolkata Night Riders and Deccan Chargers should be an interesting one.

  8. #8 by khansahab on May 11, 2008 - 9:05 AM

    Javed A Khan,

    I agree with your views but partially. The reason being, I don’t think T20 cricket is that much to do with bouncy wickets or flat tracks. We saw the T20 World Cup being played in South Africa where the finalists were two teams that are often accused of not being able enough to play in foreign conditions. It was won by India who until recently have had an unimpressive record playing abroad.

    What I agree with you about, is the actual home advantage and confidence playing in those venues where these players have played before many times. However some of it is luck and some of it is also because these Indian youngsters have benefited from good coaching and they are naturally talented as well. Why else would players like Rohit Sharma and Yusuf Pathan outscore people like D Hussey and McCullum who are also T20 specialists? In terms of bowling as well bowlers like Piyush Chawla and M Gony have done better than the Lee’s and Kallis’s.

    I am sure the Indian youngsters are learning a lot as regards bowling and batting strategy and captaincy as well. If you think about Shane Warne’s Royals team, I am sure the youngsters are observing every move of Warne whether that is captaincy or bowling. I am also sure these youngsters have benefited a lot from Hayden, Kallis, Lee, Murali etc etc

    So I think some of it is luck, some of it is talent and obviously you correctly surmised home conditions help too.

  9. #9 by khansahab on May 11, 2008 - 10:20 AM

    Shahid Afridi has been dropped for today’s game. This is really unfortunate because he is in good bowling form.

  10. #10 by Abdul on May 11, 2008 - 11:28 AM

    How could u do such an insulting childish act on this site and embarass my reputation on the site. Ok,I may have made a spelling error but it’s doesn’t mean u google search and find that incorrect as you shorly had an idea of who I was talking about the Rani as in the Bollywood actress. Khanshab. I thought of you as a good person but for once I’m questioning your identity.

    I have nothing to explain on your stupid question of Do u really like her ? You know at the end of the day who I was talking about u know the highly acclaimed rani form Bollywood and just reqested to upload pics of her glittering sexy image and not find some uknown zombie from google and embarass me.

    I’m sorry to say but unless that image and caption is deleted and maybe the appropriate requested actress has been loaded I wil not commenting on this blog and never new u could be so childish and embarass your fellow bolggers in such a way.

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 11, 2008 - 12:45 PM


    I can’t help but tell you the truth that it is not any zombie but Rani Mukerjee in that picture, the only difference is, or should I say the reality is, she is without makeup. That is how most of the bollywood cows look like. Have you not seen Manisha Cowrilla or Catwariya Rai without makeup? And why do you take it personally? I mean we can or make fun of anyone or, praise someone’s Butt. Its just an individual’s choice. There is nothing good or bad about khansahab in commenting on her, he has even allowed your post in which you have not only tried to ridicule him but even threatened not to write on this blog. Don’t you think it is childish on your part to say that? Come on man be sporty, who is Rani Mukerjee or Preity Zinta to us? And why should you take it to your heart?

    Now, about cricket, khansahab:

    Remember what I told you that in this match Shahid Afridi will be dropped and he is. It is very good for him because, without him the bowling was very weak. Look at the bowling figures of other bowlers. Vass gave away 36 in 3 overs, Styris 28 in 3 and RP Singh their ace bowler gave away 59 in 4 overs.

    Herschelle Gibbs is playing in this tournament based on his past reputation as a GREAT batsman, he has yet to pass a 20 mark, like Yuvraj Singh is also basking in the past glories. Now to score 205 it will only be Gilly’s job to score another dashing hundred and Sharma to put up to his reputation of consistency. They have to score 10 runs plus per over and it would be a daunting total unless they get fired up from the outset. No one knows about this Teja and Bheja and how they will play.

    On your point about T20 WC final, I knew that was coming, actually I forgot to mention that point, that feat is like once in blue moon and it will never be achieved again. It was a fluke I must say so don’t expect it to happen, besides other teams are all now geared up to play T20 especially the Australians who were complaining at that time and remember Ponting said, we never took this seriously. In this tournament among the foreign players the Aussies dominated in batting and even the retirees like McGrath and Shane Warne dominated the bowling department. So, lets not assume that this T20 will help the Indian youngsters only. Its a “Behti Ganga” anyone can benefit from it, even those who watch on TV.

  12. #12 by khansahab on May 11, 2008 - 1:00 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    I see your point now and thanks for elaborating on your previous points. It is indeed a “Behti Ganga” and I hope Pakistani players also benefit from it.


    Don’t be so sentimental. Javed A Khan has responded to you so you have had a response on behalf of the Legslip management. On a personal note I hope you have no personal vendetta against me because I certainly have none against you. The reason why I asked you the “stupid question” is because I was shocked you like her, as she is quite unglamorous as you can see from the picture. But my bad because beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

    We try and manage our site as professionally as possible but that does not mean we can’t joke around or pull someone’s leg occasionally. Anyhow if I offended you please accept my apologies. As for your threat of not writing on this blog again, you are free to do whatever you feel like and on behalf of LS Management I wish you all the best in your life.

  13. #13 by khansahab on May 11, 2008 - 1:24 PM

    Why can’t the Deccan Chargers win matches?

    I have not been convinced yet as to just how a team with players like Gilchrist, Afridi, Vaas, Gibbs, Symonds, Styris, Rohit Sharma etc cannot win matches in this IPL. Captaincy could be a factor, well under Laxman I suppose it was and maybe Gilchrist is not a magnificent captain either.

    I think what the Chargers lack is confidence and good communication with each other. Often I have observed that it seems like every player is fending for himself in the Chargers’ team. This could be due to poor captaincy, no sense of direction and understanding of what to do.

    We have to discuss with each other though whether the captaincy matters so much in T20 cricket? Is there any other reason- maybe just sheer luck?

    Javed A Khan,

    Yes you were spot on when you mentioned about Afridi not playing in this match. Now Gilchrist will realise it was a mistake. It is not that Afridi is the only star not performing. Afridi should replace Gibbs in the next match.

  14. #14 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 11, 2008 - 2:36 PM


    You are spot-on about the level of communication among the Deccan Chargers team members. They haven’t gelled in as a team yet. Symonds the most expensive foreign player, has gone back but, he did nothing in winning a match for the DC, in fact even after scoring a 100 he was instrumental in that loss against the RR. Shane Wane who is not a recognized batsman but, a bowler hammered him in the last over to retreat the Deccan Chargers in their own backyard.

    When Afridi failed with the bat in the previous match after playing a very stupid shot at Warne’s bowling, prolly Gilly got pissed off and when Afridi bowled the second over he gave away 8 runs whereas in his first he gave only 2 but, Gilly removed him and did not bring him back during the rest of the match. Afridi’s average of 5 runs per over in T20 is good bowling by any standards. Just because he didn’t get a wicket in that match and played a silly shot, which did not please his captain, he was dropped. It was obvious that he was not treated with respect. And he wasn’t seen in the dugout either.

    Look at Vass, other than the wicket of Salman Butt – which any bowler could have got – he gave away 12 runs per over! Its a well known fact that if a player is absent from the game for sometime then his focus is not the same. Vaas was away for a few weeks. They played him simply because they wanted to replace him with Afridi.

    What has Scot Styris done in both departments? 28 runs in 3 overs no wicket and a score of only 4, is he better than Afridi? And what about Gibbs? I think from now onwards they should play freely without any fear as they have nothing to lose. Gilly should open the innings with Afridi and see how it works. All of Afridi’s big knocks have come from opening the innings.

    Shoaib Akhtar while sitting in the dugout and responding to the questions by the commentators doesn’t seem to be happy. He thinks he is fit, but he minced with words then he said, as soon as I am match fit I will play.

    Shoaib Akhtar as expected has been dropped and so is Asif. The surprise move was dropping Sohail Tanvir, but Warne said he wanted to give a chance to Dimitiris who is traveling tomorrow. So, its a matter of preferences. But, my gut feeling is he will not make any positive impact maybe he will create a negative impact, because he has no match practice.

  15. #15 by phirwohi on May 11, 2008 - 2:57 PM

    Abdul..any one would ask you the question that khan babu asked you..
    ok she might be good ..but definitely not the goddess…
    and for the site managers..where are the pak and bd babes? i can understand hott pics being difficult from pak as every thing is under a burkha due to the mullas ruling roost currently..but surely no problem with bangladesh..but i think theres no blogger here who can update with the latest bd babes..

    what about the pakistani beauty queen from US/Canada who wished to date that “handsome” man mushraff ( i guess she needs to be asked questions just like abdul ” lol )

    Now for cricket…i do hope for javed if not for anything else that afridi fires..its been more than an year you been putting faith in your fella pathan but he dosent seem to listen…its a mirage man..hes not going to perform..gut feeling says that..but yes he is a good bowler..
    but dont get disheartned..your prediction about shoaib phaltu actor surely came true….and i always thought of him as a great bowler..that dope head surely needs to be kicked out..such a negative personality….

    as for deccan team…i think laxman and gilly are no captain material..they bring about the shoaib malik effect…

  16. #16 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 11, 2008 - 4:07 PM

    A good article on the BIG and small of IPL, followed by some fascinating comments from Javed A. Khan and Khan Sahab. It would be interesting to hear views of Awas and theossa, but I guess they are busy enjoying their weekend 😉

    IPL definitely started BIG on a short-term basis, but unfortunately, its popularity is shrinking and the tournament is almost dragging, close to entering its second month. In spite of massive media interest that it continues to generate, the majority of ordinary public have started viewing it as a liability on their schedules. So is more true for the hardworking and time-constrained cricket viewers from the Westerns and Middle Eastern countries. Whereas, in India everyone seem to have more than twenty four hours to their day plus they have an added advantage of betting and gambling, to keep their interests alive in the IPL.

    On the other hand though, the IPL is also becoming smaller for the Pakistani players too. Today was one hell-of-a bad day, for the Pakistani cricketers as Shoaib Actor could not get a berth in the playing eleven, thanks to his ‘unfitness’. While Mohammed Hafeez was already given enough chances and so was made to rest or rather ‘rust’. The two guys who played, did not deserve to be there too, as Butt scored only 4 runs while Gul conceded 43 runs in his quota of 4 overs with only one wicket to his name.

    Another shock for the Pakistani cricket fans was Afridi’s exclusion from the Deccan Chargers, which I guess had more to do with trying to tame the guy rather then his overall performance.

    In the second match today, Rajasthan Royals, who have by now completely forgotten the fact that they have Kamran Akmal ‘rusting’ on their sides, have also given rest to Sohail Tanvir to make space for a farewell game to Dimitri Mascarenhas. While last but not the least, Mohammed Asif, who was fabulous so far, have also been excluded from the playing elevens by the Delhi Daredevils. However, the final nail in the PCB’s coffin was the downgrading of our national captain, Shoaib Malik, to 12th man by the Devils. Shoaib who is considered an indispensable all-rounder by our PCB standards, and who would probably have played more 20/ 20 cricket than most of the other Devils, is being shown the gate and rather thrown out of it.

    So to sum-up, I would say that yes IPL have become ‘small’ for the Pakistani players as well as Pakistani cricket fans 😦

  17. #17 by Awas on May 11, 2008 - 8:54 PM

    Mohammed Munir

    You said it very aptly in your first paragraph of how good the thread is and great debate there too.

    I agree, generally small is beautiful. People with their low centre of gravity be it petite ladies or great batsmen like Tendulkar, Miandad or Hanif Mohammed, for example, have certain advantages which taller people lack. Taller people, men mainly, have a different charm too, like Imran Khan and Theossa ;)- People do get overawed by towering personalities. It is well known that tall, smart men climb the ladder of success quickly than the others. Similarly, behemoths like Microsoft, GE, Exxon, and Vodafone are awesome business corporations and have a different image to some niche little corporations.

    A very good point that has been raised though is that IPL is turning out to be a drag. It seems like each team is playing about 8 matches with each other before semi-finals and finals start. If this is not overkill then I don’t know what is?

    Khansahab, good of you to remember what I once said that it would be a better idea to have international city or country elevens than this hotchpotch of players that IPL currently has. Apparently, ICL organisers who conceived this T20 idea to begin with are already working on this concept which will be good for international followers of the game.

    Basically, for a non-Indians there is no interest other than looking at how their own countrymen are faring in the tournament. Even the Indians themselves are confused which team to support. A Sachin Fan, for example, hailing from a different state would be loathed to see Sachin loosing if he is supporting his own sate team.

    The one big surprise to me has been vast number of crowds that the IPL is attracting and I have been wrong on my initial assessment as people were comparing it to the support that football leagues get. The football rivalry and loyalty that exists between local fans is legendary and historical and it would be nonsensical to consider could apply in IPL teams too. The passion that the fans associated to the clubs like Manchester United, Arsenal, Barcelona, Roma etc have for their clubs is unlikely to be the implanted in the hearts and minds of supporters of silly names like Deccans, Kings, Charges, and Riders etc. Can anyone imagine that happen?

    The one reason for masses of crowds to show up at the grounds, as I once mentioned and Khansahab also expressed the same views above, is that there isn’t much entertainment in India other than Bollywood and hanging around in shopping malls for the young generation. In the Subcontinent, hockey was once the main sport when India and Pakistan used to win the main medals but they have now lost it really. Cricket is the only popular game now.

    In the West, say in England for example, there are major team sports like Football, Rugby and Cricket and many other popular ones like Golf, Tennis, Boxing, Swimming, Track and Field, Show Jumping, Squash, Snooker, Hockey and many more. There is a lot to follow for a sports enthusiast. Similarly, in US, they have their own version of Football and then there is Baseball, Basketball, Ice Hockey and many of the other sports I mentioned earlier. In subcontinent cricket is the one popular game only, hence the popularity of IPL is ominous but to relate it in equal terms to league football is simply wrong.

  18. #18 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 11, 2008 - 10:32 PM


    You’ve covered a lot of points and perhaps this is the first time you have gone into such lengths, depths and breadths in adding your unique dimension and you have summed it up very nicely in comparing the soccer leagues vs. IPL.

    There is a point thats been in my mind for quite sometime and I want to spell it out before I forget again. I am not a (ice) hockey fan but whenever my home team Canadien Montreal plays I support them. But, to be very honest, its not just me alone but there are hundreds perhaps thousands of people like me who don’t know the names of these players. So, my support is not like the way I support cricket teams.

    People who are die-hard hockey fans not only they know the players names, they also buy their posters and collect their cards and some of their collection is sold for hundreds of dollars. These people when they watch hockey, they get emotionally charged up and start crying when their team loses any match, I have seen some adults crying like kids.

    Someone in our family, he lives in the USA, he supports New York Rangers and that person never watch the live match because he is superstitious about him watching the live game. He records it and when the NY Rangers win, he sees otherwise he deletes it. Crazy isn’t it? Just for fun, whenever NY Rangers loses a game one of my cousins calls him immediately on phone to rub salt on his wounds and after one or two experiences, he knows that its him, he has stopped picking up the phone. He talks after 2 – 3 days i.e., after mourning the defeat.

    The point is you can get emotionally involved or attached when you know the strengths and weakness of the team you support and the team that plays against your team. This doesn’t happen in IPL. What does Gilchrist knows about Venu Gopal Rao or Halhar Das (wicket keeper for DC), or Sanjay Bhangar or Sarvesh Kumar or Teja? He can’t even pronounce their names leave aside remembering them or knowing their strengths.

    Tdoay, Rameez Raja, when he was commentating, Venu Gopal Rao came to play and Rameez said, Venu Gopal Rao is a nudger and pusher of the ball, he is not a big hitter or a basher. That’s Rameez’s ignorance, because in the previous match Venu scored 23 in 11 balls he hit three fours and a huge six and today in his 71 n.o. in 42 balls he hit four fours and 6 huge sixes two of them to Umar Gul.

    Amir Sohai in the previous match was asking Dimitri Mascarenhas to give his expert opinion on the dew factor. He said; what is your expert opinion about dew? Do you think that there will be dew tonight? Come on Amir Churail ! That guy came to Jaipur 4 days ago and thats his first ever trip to Jaipur in his life and you are asking him to give an expert opinion on dew? Khotay day puttar who asked you to be a commentator?


    bhai niqaab posh aur wo bhee abayaa pahen ker phirwohi harkat? Baba, agar asli naam say ajao gay tou koi marayga? Kuch tou batao kay tum picchay say kahan say ho? Chalo mai Pathan hoon mujhay na batao picchay say Awas ko bata dou chup kay say. As long as you comment like others you are most welcome to write.

    As regards Afridi, who else is performing? Malik, Butt, Hafeez, Misbah, Akmal, Asif no one. Apart from Gul’s sporadic performances and Tanvir’s one time 6 wickets who has been consistent from the Pakistani lot? Younus Khan has saved himself from embarrassment by not playing.

    As regards Pakistani babes vahan hai kon neeli, peeli aur reema, sheema kay alava? Swimming pool may tou vo Shalwar Kamiz pahen ker nahati hain, so what are your expectations?

  19. #19 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on May 12, 2008 - 12:34 AM

    A good thread and good examples but small minds don’t catch up big ideas, I wonder how many people will agree to what is written on this thread.

    khansahab seems have honestly disclosed the fact that he is not interested in that IPL match in which Pakistani players are not playing. Its very unfortunate to see that none of the Pakistani players are playing well and that is making most of the Pakistanis withdrawing from the tournament.

    Javed Khan you have been harsh on Shoaib Malik but the point is what do you expect him if he arrives at the crease in the 19th over when only 12 balls are left. If he goes defensive he is blamed, if he plays a big shot and get out he is blamed. There was no choice for him but to hit out and no one especially if you are running out of luck can play big shots from the very first ball they play and hit a six. Its only a matter of chance or fluke that they can do so.

    And when he was given the last over by Sehwag there was an intent, he wanted to avoid himself being thrashed as he had already given 32 runs in two overs and wanted Malik to bowl the last over, if he succeeds its OK for the team and if he fails he is dropped. He dropped both Malik and Asif.

    Shoaib Akhtar is being made to sit on the sidelines not because he is unfit but its mainly because they are not so keen to disturb the winning combination. Now, that Umar Gul has given away 42 runs in 4 overs, he might drop him and include Shoaib Akhtar. Misbah too didn’t get enough chances to play, first he arrived late, secondly he was made to sit then he too came into bat during the most crucial and difficult period of time, obviously he failed.

    Dropping Afridi in lieu of Styris and or Vass is a big mistake and like most of you guys are saying he should open the innings with Gilchrist, me too, I support that idea because he has always scored more runs when he has opened the innings. But, IPL and the captains are not so keen to give the Pakistanis a consistent chance to prove their worth.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2008 - 4:24 AM

    There you go. What I said in my comments yesterday about the new Indian local players, Rahul Dravid has said it today. Here is a quote from cricinfo of today:


    “Twenty20 is unique and lot of young Indian players are excelling in this format. Whether they can take this confidence to the next level is debatable. It’s not going to be easy and the skills with which you achieve success in Twenty20 may not help you give you success in Ranji and Tests.”

    Rahul Dravid, on whether Twenty20 skills will help in other formats

  21. #21 by Abdul on May 12, 2008 - 9:53 AM

    Today out of curiosity I randomly ask myslef this question Is cricket the most skillful sport ? If u look at this way cricket requires the most skills,tatics and equiptment . Cricketeres need many skills from learning to defend, run between the wikets, drive the ball , pull the ball and so on …………….. while bowlers need accuracy , variations , swing and spin. There are so many skills in the thrilling game which makes it competetive and intriguing to watch. Howver so many skills that the audience can be full of boredham and therfore football has to be considered the most entertaining sport as it’s quick and the intensity is more.

    Enter 20/20 cricket the future of the game and scrap one day but retain skillfull tests in order to make cricket exciting and increase the intensity levels.

    Is there a spell check on this site ? as I type fast and make and make some silly mistakes which make me look a fool !

  22. #22 by Awas on May 12, 2008 - 12:35 PM


    Sorry, there is no spell check here. What I usually do when I write a long comment is to type it on Word first and then copy paste in the comment box. This way I can check any spelling mistakes on Word. Perhaps you can do the same should you wish but don’t worry about spelling mistakes as we all make some.

    Interesting comment you made though coming from someone who actively plays cricket. The other point about football is that its no doubt, as the man says, “a beautiful game”.


    Following on from your last comment on the previous thread, did I detect an air of excitement in your comment before you ventured out to view that mishap? I guess you guys look forward to these catastrophes to make you even richer ;)-

  23. #23 by Khiladi on May 12, 2008 - 1:49 PM


    Use the firefox browser. It automatically spellchecks everything you type on any website.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2008 - 2:30 PM


    We all make spelling mistakes, to correct those mistakes you really don’t need to use a separate spell-checker. Because, on this blog its in-built. For e.g., when you type in the window of this blog, if you make a spelling mistake the word is highlighted by a red underline, it means you have made a spelling error. It won’t correct automatically.

    To correct it, you need to highlight that particular word by placing the cursor on it and double click the left button on your mouse and, then single click the highlighted word by using the right button on your mouse, you will find the correct spelling or a choice of words and you can click on the right word and it will replace the error wala word, try this and see.

    The choice of words that appear in the menu to replace are sometimes confusing i.e., if the word has been misspelled so badly then the spell-checker gets confused and may not give you the correct word with proper spellings and will confuse you as well.

    Therefore, you must have some basic idea about the spellings which should be closer to the one you intend to write. Firefox, Microsoft hotmail, Yahoo all of these browsers and even every single blog including PakSpin etc., have this in-built feature and all you need is to use it correctly. Even then, we ALL make mistakes and, that doesn’t make us any inferior or small, don’t consider yourself a fool.

    After all English is not our mother tongue and people from India and Pakistan, can read, write and speak better English than most Europeans. As far as writing goes, most of us write better than Englishmen. So, all that glistens is not gold, all Englishmen cannot read and write. Have you ever noticed the handwriting of some of them? Even our 3rd grader can write better than their high school graduates.

    I may have made fun on these blogs when some of the Pakistani, Indian or Sri Lankan commentators have made bloopers. Thats because if a person chooses to specialize in something then he is ought to possess that knowledge or ability. As a player, when they are interviewed and they cannot express themselves properly like Inzi, Malik etc., its fine.

    When people like Waqar, Zaheer Abbass, Moulvi Mushi etc., take up the job of a commentator who is supposed to give expert comments also narrate the game in a very eloquent and entertaining manner and if these guys goof up and not only make a fool of themselves but, they make people believe that ALL of us must be like them. Because, the whole world is listening to their stupid comments. Well, I may be a bit harsh on them, but this is the way I see them and I dunno if others will agree with me on this point.

    That is why I have been emphasizing the need to educate the players, not just to communicate well, but then they will also understand the game better. These days the game is not just physical but a lot more mental. Its about formulating strategies, making plans, back up plans, understanding the situation and dealing with it, on the spot decision making etc., all these things can be acquired better if you are educated. And education heightens our our senses and our abilities and brings finesse in our personalities. An educated person has a totally different look on his face as opposed to the paindoos.

  25. #25 by Awas on May 12, 2008 - 2:58 PM

    I am afraid there is no in-built spellchecker on this blog or even Cricinfo blogs. I deliberately made a couple of spelling mistakes to see what happens but the wrongly spelled word did not get underlined with a red line. I have just tried Firefox browser as well and same result. May be spellchecker doesn’t work at some places. That’s why I use Word document.

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2008 - 3:05 PM


    I partially agree with your views about Pakistani players performance. The way Misbah was out today on 21 of 7 balls was very disappointing. He always finds new ways to get out. Also, reminds me of what theossa said, “when you are out of form even luck doesn’t help you.” Misbah; right when he started playing excellent shots his luck deserted him. For him kicking the wicket was like kicking he bucket.

  27. #27 by Abdul on May 12, 2008 - 3:42 PM

    Thanks for the advice and feed back which I can now utilise in the future. So, now let me comment about week 2 of my cricket league. Well we had a quite experienced line up out but still fell short of victory. We were playing on a early season green top and it was a pithc simply made for semaers which was ashame as I was a spinner and we had 3 in our side. I din’t have the best of matches being wicketless having captyred 4 the previous week but that’s the game of cricket for you one day u perform well and other days things don’t go your way.
    Nevertheless we bolwed the opposition for a resonable total of 250 which was quite frustarating as they were at one iont 150-7.

    So I started my temas innings on a glorious humid summers day scoring . To be honest I prefer scoring than umpiring. My team were doing reasonably well but our lack of batsmen and the oppositions consistency led to our downfall. I came in in the last five overs and batted out for a bonus point and ended up with 10no with my partner james finishing on 48no.

    This week we are up against a strong side at the top of the league. Also I will be participating in a 6 a side cricket competetion this week. There are about 4 sides and it’s 5 over knockout. Should be fun ! especially with a barbecue and bouncy castles and rides for the younsters.

    Javed Bhai u made some great analysis and valid points. meh ub urdu mi bat karta hu aur ketha ho aup barhi zabardust knowledgable writer ho. Anyway that was me trying to type in urdu on english key board. Anyaway YES u made some wonderful points that education is much more active in Pakistan than Engalnd and other parts of the world. Here it’s very slow in progrssing stduents here even though many asians beat them at there own subject like English and ovcourse me and Theossa’s favourite Mahematics sciences, and history I mean British History which is incredible ans shows how talented we are and can be.

    If u don’t mind me asking are u a businessman and what service do u provide ?
    What was your favourite subject at school or college ?

  28. #28 by theossa on May 12, 2008 - 4:10 PM

    Awas, you are such a clever reader, you smelled it right, I was excited to go in the field to evaluate bridge safety. It may sound pathetic but we are like doctors, someone’s misery is our opportunity. An emergency project means federal money and federal money means overtime. A very thorough post by you, I think IPL will tweak the tournament next year and if you consider the passion of Indian fans (I believe even a movie about cricket was a huge success) then IPL might become a very popular event there. The thing I’m worried about is the overkill, that is, if countries like England and Australia start on the similar line. I agree with Mr. Kasim that PPL will be a total disaster just like the new government. You also made a good point that lack of entertainment in South Asian countries is driving crowds to tournaments like these. I could also be lack of success in other sports or just lack of other sports. Here in U.S. it’s a year around show and keeping people busy, involving baseball (which I hate), Football (I love to death), Basketball (ok, does small matter here?), Ice hockey, and most recently soccer. It’s interesting that soccer is considered boring sport by many here.

    Getting back to the thread, very thoughtful article but “I am partially agree”. I think it is relative and depends how you look at it. I’m pretty much an ignorant when it comes to economics but small getting better might be due to good business practices. Here in U.S. retail giant Walmart is wiping out small businesses very much like extermination. I guess the formula here is “lower price” wins even if the customer service is compromised.

    Khansahab, you made a good recommendation of international intercity Twenty20 tournament. I was discussing this yesterday with a friend that how nice it would be if Karachi for example play Sydney with the Karachi based national cricket team players participating and so forth. I also agree with your comment that most of our interest in IPL is because we like to watch Pakistani players participating who btw don’t let any opportunity to disappoint us but there is some truth to what Jehanzeb Khan Niazi pointed out that Pakistani player are not utilized well in this tournament. Abdul was not pissed for nothing, you posted such a fascinating picture of Rani that I still have nightmares. When I was little my mother used to say, “Inam sleep or else “Balaa” will come and get you”. I always had the image of “Balaa” something like her picture but with no golf gear.

    Munir, very good analysis of the state of Pakistani players in IPL, I liked the quote, “IPL have become ‘small’ for the Pakistani players”. You guys are sophisticated when it comes to food, talk about Biryani and Barbecues. Well, I live on quick lunch meals, like salad with chicken or beef, bowl of whole grain cereal, and my favorite food which I would prefer on anything, anytime is “Chai and Paratha”. Thanks to those frozen Malaysian Parathas I can have it quick and easy and my wife doesn’t complain also. It’s just that life is busy here and my wife is local.

    Javed, I love it when you make fun of Aamir Sohail, haha. Pittsburgh Penguins are playing for conference championship title and they are winning the series against Philadelphia Flyers 2-0. We’ll take revenge for Montreal.

    Misbah played an interesting innings for Banga-Loroos, a quick 21, and then got hit wicket. This guy has some hard luck issues. My understanding is this is something to do with Javed. He must have said something about him. Only he can cure his luck. Let’s see how Loroos defend their Loroo total.

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2008 - 4:48 PM

    LOL @ theossa for painting my tongue black. I don’t believe in those totkas and curses about kaali zubaan and what not, how many people may have blessed me with their duas and did I get all what they blessed?

    In Latin they say:”Docte sermones, utriusque linguae,” which means, “learned … in the lore of either tongue.” I wish I was one, its a wish like, “if wishes were horses” or, “pigs could fly.” I am saying all this with my tongue in cheek. 🙂

    As regards Chai Paratha, remember I once asked you about Pir Pai? Its a village or hometown of the Babars, between Nawshera and Peshawar. Over there, we used to have great wholewheat crispy parathas and doodh patti chai at breakfast. I don’t want to break your heart by dissing the “Shana Paratha” from Malaysia. It is very fattening and made from pastry dough.

    Over here, there is Bangladeshi lady, she makes wholewheat parathas and sells them. I buy a few dozens from her and keep it in the freezer. Back home we never had cereal or bakery bread (double roti) except when we were sick. Otherwise, my mother always used to make Parathas for us. Yar, today this Preity Zinta is jumping all over the place, I wonder if she had paratha breakfast this morning?


    I went to Taleem-e-Balighaan eskool in Pir Pai and my favourite subject was ‘awaragi’ I am a businessman who does nothing but earns enough to have a roof over my head and wheels under my foot and I am grateful to Allah that he gives me enough food (parathas) to stay alive. I have played club level cricket as a wicketkeeper and opening batsman.

  30. #30 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 12, 2008 - 5:02 PM

    LOL @ theossa … “Let’s see how Loroos defend their Loroo total”.

    Seems like Yuvraj already have a plan to Bang-the-Loroos 😉

    I was away from my PC, and have been checking latest LS comments off blackberry. Finally, I could not stop myself and had to write this …

    Some overall interesting contributions all-round.

    Abdul appraising the writing style and humor of Javed A. Khan is but natural. Seems like Abdul is also falling in love with Javed, taken over by curiosity, he is asking some personal questions too. Well we all have had our affections with the guy. Javed Khan is really that kinda character. But Abdul Bhai, just a word of advice, Javed Khan does like to be called ‘Bhai’, so take care 😉

    It was interesting seeing Javed Khan caring less for the spell-check and English not being our mother’s tongue. Well I thought he had some other views going back to the PakSpin days, but I think he have changed for good 🙂

    Feel sorry for Misbah but that is the way cricket is 😦

    Nothing seems to going Pakistani player’s way 😦

  31. #31 by phirwohi on May 12, 2008 - 5:02 PM javed your really for me being naqab-posh..well theres nothing much to write about myself..i am 29 and a banker..yeah..i get to see lots of figures in the bank on a daily basis..big solid good round ones..sadly all numerical…not that i hate my dose pay..but after seven years..wish i could change track…

    been hooked on to cricket in childhood.lost interest after the azhar jadeja fixing thing came up.nowdays only enjoy when india plays australia or pakistan or if the ashes is going on.yes i love test cricket.20 20 is not bad .its good entertainment.finishes fast.and contrary to what most of you have been saying.i think it will grow leaps and bounds here in india.

    people were doubting if crowds in dosa land would support north indian dhoni.but watch the matches and he receives the loudest wise.i dont care who plays for mumbai.i cheer them all to do well.yes some kars are playing for some other cities.individually i wish them well but always will want mumbai to win.
    some guys are saying its too long.but look at the interest on this blog you see it on the wane?.i dont think only seems to be growing with each passing day.
    as for other cities joining .i dont see that happening simply because its IPL.and not W(world)PL.though we might see an international tournment featuring top league sides from each country.
    The indian public has taken to the tourney big dont think the board cares if others in the world lose interest.the board will pay top players and the indians would get to watch it and in turn the board will make money.
    If handled right the day might not be far off when the cricketers are the highest paid sports persons in the world.Even though i dont like modi, the chartered accountant has got good business brains is what i have heard.with all the business houses getting involved they will see to it that it turns out to be a grand success.

    Looks like dravid is losing well nothing unusual about it..wonder if its the end of the road for him…might end his international career as well.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2008 - 5:24 PM

    Bangalooru’s have already lost this match and all they can do now is watch the HOOR (Zinta) and make a wish that she was on their side, right now she is chuckling and giggling in joy and making her dimples deeper than ever and her eyes are as bright as a button and her thighs are as tight as Shay Todd’s. Take a look at the URL.

    Back to cricket, come on get off from that website and stop leering at her swimsuit. Dale Styen was thrashed for 21 runs in an over. WHY?

    Because, in this particular tournament IPL the captains are following a “Bhair Chaal” i.e., making frequent bowling changes especially removing the fast bowler after one or max two overs. This is a big mistake, a fast bowler if removed or replaced that frequently he is out of steam and cannot build up his charge once again. Remember Umar Gul was more successful than other bowlers in the T20 WC and why? Because, he used to bowl all his 4 overs at a stretch in the death overs. I dunno how many of you agree with this notion?

    Munir, about my comments on English and its not our mother tongue you wrote, “I thought he had some other views going back to the PakSpin days, but I think he have changed for good.” Well, those comments I made are for abdul and I try to keep my standards high, its a fact that I don’t use spell check but whenever there is a red line under the word that I may have misspelled, I correct myself. You should know that Pushtu and English are very similar 😉 theossa will confirm this.


    The above URL is not clickable, it says forbidden, but you can view it if you copy paste it in another window, a must see picture.

  33. #33 by phirwohi on May 12, 2008 - 5:27 PM

    N just to give you phirang desis and idea of things back home..most kids cant afford to play tennis or squash or other costly sports.hence theres a lot of cricket as it only needs a cheap ball and bat.Hence the interest in cricket.As for other sports persons cribbing about cricket getting all attention….well whose stopping them…and what the fcuk is their association doing to popularise their sport?

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2008 - 5:48 PM

    Bangaloorus have lost! There is no surprise BUT the point to be noted is, from the Punjab XI it was an ALL AUSTRALIAN AFFAIR. Marshy, Hopes and Luke and the match is over.

    phirwohi you said that your support will always be for mumbai that means you are from Mumbai? Navi Mumbai, Thana? 🙂 Never mind, don’t tell me if you dont want to.

  35. #35 by theossa on May 12, 2008 - 5:51 PM

    LOL Javed, at your “dua” anology, I think of that too. If God listens to all the “duas” and “blessings” a mother offers her kids then there should be no misery in this world. There is this naked joke; “A Priest and a Rabbi went see a boxing match. Rabbi was new to ways of Christian religion. One of the boxers made “cross” across his chest before the start of the game. Rabbi asked the Priest, “What does that mean?” Priest replied, “Nothing, if he is not a good boxer”.
    Man, don’t even mention the “whole wheat crispy Parathas and doodh patti chai for breakfast”, and especially not the one made by mother, my eyes and mouth are watering. Malaysian Parathas is the best I could get here. The one I like actually says “Malaysian Paratha”. They are not bad. We make them crispy by adding a table spoon of olive oil to it. Thanks God, I’m blessed with a fast Metabolism; I eat like five times a day but in small quantities. So even if I eat high calorie food, fast Metabolism and strength training offset it. I have a feeling that you like Preity Zinta 🙂 Just invite her for Chai and Paratha breakfast and it will be hard for her to refuse that kind of breakfast and a good looking Pathan like you.

    Talking about English, as long as you get your point across, who cares about how you do it? Remember the once seen a blue moon Pandit Jee?

  36. #36 by Awas on May 12, 2008 - 5:51 PM


    LOL @ your very honest thoughtful comments laced with humour…I like that. Good analogy with doctors too and “someone’s misery is our opportunity”. On this note let me tell you something interesting. Did you guys know Pakistan is the biggest producer of tents in the World? So if you thought it was terrorism then think again ;)-

    Whenever there are disasters like tsunamis or earthquakes, these guys make a mint and demand whatever prices they want and have no need to do anything till the next misery dawns. The funny thing is during the Pakistani earthquake, they were exporting the tents to UN and other charitable agencies for the tents to fly back again. The biggest producer of tents is a multi-multi millionaire and the richest guy in Pakistan. So, God Almighty looks after everyone.

    On inter-city T20, all I can say is great minds think alike or as in Javed’s quotation should it be “fools seldom disagree”?

    On Misbah, I think it’s about time Javed lifts his spell ;)-


    Interesting comments and good to see Indian perspective. You make some valid points but it’s becoming a drag for non-Indians as I commented earlier. By the way, our sport is nothing but cricket either. That’s why we have this cricket blog. When I said its only cricket that is popular in Subcontinent whereas in the West its many other sports then that was merely stating the facts…not looking down on cricket…get it?

    Javed A Khan

    Frequent bowling changes are “a big mistake”. Sometimes, a bowler needs a couple of overs to get into a rhythm. So, “I am agree”. This “I am agree” is now becoming a bit like that famous widower murmurings “Benazir zinda hai” at every photo-shoot ;)-

  37. #37 by phirwohi on May 12, 2008 - 5:57 PM

    Proper mumbai Javed.Ever been here? 🙂
    yeah its slowly turning into a slum city but still love it as its got a life of its own.

    And yes its been an ALL AUSTRALIAN AFFAIR.
    Dravid needs to take the entire blame though for choosing a test eleven.Wasim Jaffer dosent even get a spot on the ranji one day team and dravid selects him..Jaffer comes cheap so what dose he do? cribs on cricinfo that people like david hussey who havent played even a single test are earning more than him..and he will let his bat do the talking..i hope he realises hes lucky to have got selected by a team in the very first place!!
    Dravid really is the number one ch2ya when it comes to captaining a side and i am really losing my cool over it now.Due to him other players too are suffering.Is getting one self injured that difficult? Laxman has done it..whats dravid waiting for? The looru team still has some good players but the combination selected every single time is faulty..also the young ranji players of looru had opted for ICL ..that too might be a contributing factor..
    I really do feel for the looru public.

  38. #38 by phirwohi on May 12, 2008 - 6:05 PM

    Awas trust me i would be the happiest if the subcontinent could take up something else other than cricket..something like that it will get us noticed on the world stage..
    and most of us might not be interested in football except when its the world cup once in four years..but in case if our national teams ( if a miracle dose happen ) become world beaters in football then we will follow it right from cities to villages.

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2008 - 6:12 PM

    Talking about Pandit Jee, where the fcuk is he? Man a lot of people are missing you so come up with some bright ideas and cheer them ( moi aussi ).


    Naaah, its not just Zinta. Like Ghalib said:

    Hazaron khowahishain aisee kay har khowahish pay dum niklay
    Hazaron chokriyaan aisee kay har chokri pay hum murtay!

    Did you see, after the match was over she was giving hugs to his teammates! “Bytich” thats why I said, Bangaloorus must be dreaming and wishing if they were in her franchise. Take a look at this URL and I will tell you about her later.


    On your Tamboo biz comment. One of the reasons those tamboos are made in abundance is Pakistan may shaadiyan bahot hoti hain aur koi kaam hee nahee! 🙂 Kaho, I am agree.


    Yeah been there three times, perhaps you have not followed my comments, being a corporate banker I had the opportunity to travel all over the world and your RBI invited me officially three times, a couple of times in NRI conferences and once it was a FOREX related conference. Twice I stayed at Oberoi Sheraton and once at the Taj. I do have a few banker friends there.

  40. #40 by phirwohi on May 12, 2008 - 6:19 PM

    Javed bhai..that meenakshi without makeup has lots of pimples..bhai aur kya batao ge uske bare mei?

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2008 - 6:22 PM

    phirwohi, nai, nai aisi baat nahee koi pimple shimple nahee hai, can’t talk about everything on a public forum, doosray tumhara email address hee itna dubious hai kay tumko aur kya batain aur kahan batain?

  42. #42 by phirwohi on May 12, 2008 - 6:33 PM

    🙂 Janab zara mail kar ke to dekhiye 🙂

  43. #43 by khansahab on May 12, 2008 - 9:10 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    No you are not harsh on “Pra Waqqa” and Moulvi Mushy because they have disgraced themselves and the nation on copious occasions in the recent past because of their ridiculous commentary. Waqar in my view is the greatest bowler that ever lived, no one can match that rhythm, that swing and those yorkers. But to some extent I feel the gloss has been removed because of his commentary.

    Zaheer Abbas and Mushtaq are hopeless. Aamir Sohail is better than the rest of these I feel but still has a very annoying tone and takes forever to complete his sentences.


    Nice to see you letting go of the anger and appreciating Javed A Khan. I apologise once again to you, sir. How old are you by the way?


    I’ve read all your comments with interest, sir. Thanks for visiting this site. It is always nice to have the “Indian viewpoint” on issues. We used to have good fun with two very good Indian writers called Amit P and Samy but they have stopped writing now! I wonder why? Hrishi sir and the learned Mohammad Anfaal were also really good writers but they also don’t visit the site anymore. I hope all is well with these gents.

    Amit P, Samy, Anfaal & Hrishi, you guys need to start offering your opinions again!

    Dravid has always been considered one of the most intelligent batsmen in the world. However Dravid’s captaincy of the Indian team and captaincy of this Bangalore team demonstrate that captaincy is not all about intelligence, but also about leadership qualities and charisma. You need to have that personality that your youngsters look up to you and want to be like you. You need to have good confidence, you must be able to make on the spot decisions without having to think what the rest of the world thinks about you and when you do make mistakes you have to stand up, admit your mistakes and face the world like a man. That is what leaders are made of. Actually the traits I have alluded to here make up a lot of what Shahid Afridi is. He is not an intellectual but he is charismatic, he has his own way of doing things and his own mindset which will not change or be influenced by anyone. I don’t know about the rest of Pakistan but in Karachi every growing boy wanted to be like Afridi and was completely smitten by him. In the Karachi cricket teams Afridi is the undisputed leader who calls the shots and has tasted much more success than failure. The Karachi lads are totally loyal to him and support him and accept him as the deserved leader. This loyalty and support unfortunately is not witnessed in the Pakistani team.

  44. #44 by Awas on May 12, 2008 - 11:05 PM

    Let’s be fair, I don’t think “Pra Waqqa” is such a bad commentator really. Zaheer & Mushy are useless and irritating no doubt but so are Ranjit Fernandez, Ian Botham and Mark Tailor…all have irritating voices.

    ANDA, Waqqa no doubt distorts some words but I find he often has something interesting to say as well. And you can at least listen to him whereas the other names that I mentioned I find their voices plain irritating. Aamir Sohail perhaps has better command of English than the others but he is irritating nevertheless as his pitch ebbs and rises unnecessarily.

    Many other commentators, without naming them as there are so many, are pretty good actually but one particular name I would like to mention is that of Michael Holding. Not only because he is an unbiased and very knowledgeable about the game but as we are talking about accents here, to an extent, then his is the one rather likeable…funny and easy on ears.

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2008 - 12:18 AM

    Waqar and Wasim both were very different and unique in their own way. Waqar’s inswinging toe crushing yorkers were deadly and he clean bowled more players than getting them out any other way. Wasim with his shorter run up used to generate a lot of pace, swing and bounce that no one could match. The two best balls of his life were in the 1992 WC when he clean bowled Allan Lamb and Carl Lewis in two successive deliveries that turned the match in Pakistan’s favour.

    Andda, Buttta Waqar’s commentary is like a drone, yeah you laugh at his serendipities and stupidities but he has ruined his image. The way Zaheer Abbass speaks is no surprise to me because, in one of the Sharjah matches Pakistan vs West Indies in which Basit Ali scored a quick fire century, Zaheer was sitting next to me, I was very young and very impressed by the fact that Zaheeerrrrrraa was sitting next to me and when he started his comments, It was so “disgustipatingly” pathetic.

    Some people told me that Moulvi Mushy speaks very good English and the reason he is in the team as assistant coach is because he is the interpreter for Bob Woolmer. I heard him recently when SA was visiting Pakistan, he is a blabber dabber and his braggadocio is hard to digest.

    Amir Churail, I heard him talking in real life and the way he speaks on TV is completely different and extremely irritating. The other names that Awas forgot to mention besides Ranjit Fernando is Laxman Siva Rama Krishna the KOYAL of Chennai. Michael Holding, never mind his accent he talks sense. My favourite commentators are Nasir Hussain, Geoff Boycott and Dean Jones, is a shame that Jonsey is banned. The current Australian commentators are very boring. Among the Pakistanis only Ramiz Raja is better, Shastri too uses phony accent because I heard him speaking other than TV. The biggest of all the phony accents is none other than Khalifa, Phadday Baaz, Shoaib Actor.

    There is no doubt that he has improved his English a lot, but his accent is very phony its neither English, English nor the desi touch in it. Something that he has acquired from the image builder that he has hired.

    It is good to see some of the Indian local players playing in the IPL tournament were speaking in Hindi (Praveen Kumar the other day and some Vinay Kumar today) Inzi should have done this and Malak Saab must take a note of this and speak in Punjabi. 🙂 Btw, what a horrendous shot he played in the last match and that was the reason he was dropped. grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

  46. #46 by Awas on May 13, 2008 - 12:44 PM

    Javed A Khan, you are quite right, I missed Siva Rama Krishna name, as irritating. Amongst the good ones the three that you mentioned are very good indeed but Boycott is definitely on top of the tree with a likeable Yorkshire accent too. Amongst the other good ones, David Gower and Michael Slater are worth mentioning. They are all generally quite fair minded commentators and that is the essential quality needed to go with a likeable voice.

    Going back a little in time, many people claim Ritchie Benaud to be the best but to me he was often biased. I have not seen much of him but in fact John Arlott was the best of the lot of that time.

    On the mention of Boycott, I said once before but would like to say it again. When the two great W’s were at their best and winning matches in England then after a wonderful bowling exhibition with their reverse swing at the Oval test, all English journalist started calling them cheats. The lone voice against them was that of Boycott and what he said was they are such good bowlers that even if you put an orange in their hands to bowl at you, they will still take a wicket. Now that is one hell of an accolade coming at the time when all others had branded them cheats.

    So, I think some of us are being unfair to our legendary Wikky by saying “he has ruined his image”. However way he comments, which I don’t find so bad in his case anyway, it doesn’t take away for me the wonderful memories of those toe crushing searing yorkers. Likewise, Miandad, for example, can’t compose two sentences in English but it doesn’t take away his great batting record and his legendary fighting ability, for me. Talking about Miandad’s fighting spirit, let me say this. Once I heard great Viv Richards (another of mine and Javed’s heroes) commenting on TV when Miandad walked down the pitch with bat brandishing in his usual style after Pakistan were in a precarious situation with all the top order gone at a low score. One commentator said this guy doesn’t give an impression that he is worried about facing those bowlers. Viv then remarked “well, let me put it this way, if my life was at stake for someone batting for me then I would ask no one in the world to bat for me than Miandad”. That says something coming from a legend like the great Viv.

    So, it goes without saying, great cricketing feats and a manner of speaking a language are completely unrelated.

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2008 - 1:49 PM


    I do remember your mentioning those famous quotes on W&W and JM. Its good to hear that again. I am not biased against Waqar, “ruining the image” means, ruining the image in my mind. (Like, I wrote Zaheeeerrrrraa, actually this is the way the English commentators used to say.

    I haven’t heard much of John Arlott except for a video tape which I saw at someone’s house and the atmosphere was electric.) It happens about a song you may have heard before but never seen the movie and when you see the video of those songs, some idiot is singing that good song and the image is ruined. Yes, when I first heard Miandad speaking not only his image was ruined, he made me laugh not only with his English but with his “totla pun.”

    I saw a video of Miandad by Tony Grieg during the Caribbean tour and it was during the early nineties, Inzi was new and so was Basit Ali. When Inzi was interviewed and asked by Tony, “do you enjoy playing cricket?” He replied, “yes, I play cricket and I am enjoy.” When Basit Ali was interviewed, Tony asked him, “who is your icon?” Basit’s face was blank like a deadpan.

    Then Tony rephrased and asked, “Who is your hero?” Once again he was blank, and Tony had to help him by saying, “People say that you are a budding Javed Miandad, I mean thats the way you play cricket, like him. So, does Javed tell you how to play?” Then Basit understood and said, “Yes, Javed Bhai is my hero and sometimes he give me tip.”

    Then Tony interviews JM and said: “I was interviewing Basit Ali and he mentioned that you give him some tips, could you tell him what kinda tips you give him?” JM started in his totla accent, “yes, I geev him a teep whenever he ask me for a teep.” Tony asked, “What kinda tips?” Mmmmmmm a teep hear and a teep their whenever he want a teep I geev him a teep nothing in paticooler you see, and then he smiled. So did Tony.

    JM hardly went to any school, Buttaa Waqqa went to Pakistan College Sharjah, played county cricket for many years, married an Australian and lived there for years. Anddaa, I am surprized that he still talks like thatta? Never mind, because people don’t mind. When I say something about someone its just my personal view. But, I do get amused by his comments just like JM and Inzi amuses me.

  48. #48 by theossa on May 13, 2008 - 2:11 PM

    When I used to watch cricket, I liked Geoffrey Boycott, Michael Holding, Rameez Raja, and Ravi Shastri. I did not pay attention to how they were talking but rather what they were talking and they guys I mentioned were intelligent commentators.

    Delhi and Kolkata contest is about to begin and Shoaib Akhter is debuting IPL for Kolkata, a drama in brewing? This will be one interesting contest, Kolkata’s bowling could match Delhi’s attack but it will be the batting which will decide the match. I think Delhi’s batting has more depth but Kolkata is on a roll recently. My pick, Delhi.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2008 - 2:54 PM

    Yes theossa, Shoaib Akhtar is in but like I said, Umar Gul will be dropped for just one game in which he gave 42 runs. Now, get ready for Shoaib’s Actor’s wides and no-balls plus his acting tantrums.

    I hope Butt plays well today otherwise he will be out permanently like Kamran Akmal. Sehwag has been shrewed he has once again not included Asif or Malik but retained Maharoof and Dilshan in their place. Good “Lateral Thinking” example from Sehwag that he used his available resources to the maximum by dropping the out of form wicketkeeper Dinesh Karthik and giving the gloves to AB de Villiers and he brought in an all rounder in Manoj Tiwari.

    “Hello Shoaib Malik, this is Rameez Raja can hear us? Its been a long time since you are a 12th man how does it feel?” Malik giggles and replies, “I am enjoying this fielding. But, its good and its all about combination as only four overseas are allowed.”

    And theossa, despite the fact that Gambhir and Sehwag are very good and so is ABD but, to make the betting more interesting I would like to put my two cents on Kolkata. So, lets see what next.

  50. #50 by Awas on May 13, 2008 - 2:55 PM

    Good comment Javed. I never thought for a second though that it was biasness from your part. It’s just that my depiction of Wikky is different. He is not boring like ZA and Maulvy M. Besides, other than Andda, Butta, Thata, he does talk normal with cricketing sense. A good point that Theossa has just mentioned as well.

    Anyways, perhaps his mind thinks Roman all the time like Alpha, Beta, Gamma. Theta ;)- Like I have a Malaysian friend, called Lee, who puts a La after every word. Like Javed La, Butt La, Thoessa La and so on. So, I call him Leela.

  51. #51 by theossa on May 13, 2008 - 3:17 PM

    Haha Awas, that Alpha, Beta, Gamma struck me (I like these symbols), good comparison there. I did not get a chance to see Waqar talking but I did see him bowling and you guys already said enough about that. To praise him I would say this; he is the best Multan has produced since Inzamam, “Chonsa Mango”, “Sohan Halwa “, and the great 99 Saints.

    Javed, Look man, I try my best not to paint your tongue black but you just wished Butt to play well so we’ll see if I was correctly superstitious about your tongue. If your wish comes true, please say a few words about my job promotion.

  52. #52 by Awas on May 13, 2008 - 3:20 PM

    Yeah, let’s hope Butta does well for a change and the Actor finally gets a chance, so let’s see what he can do?

    Theossa LOL @ what you said. By the way, from Burewala not Multan!!!

  53. #53 by theossa on May 13, 2008 - 3:35 PM

    Oops, that’s more like Vehari than Multan. So let me rephrase, “Waqar is the best thing happened between Sahiwal and Khanewal”.

  54. #54 by theossa on May 13, 2008 - 3:49 PM

    Javed, Check the Kolkata score and see where Butt stands! I won’t say a work but……

    I have this itch that Shoaib will do better with batting than bowling and of course this will only happen if Javed acknowledges this.

  55. #55 by Awas on May 13, 2008 - 4:26 PM

    Theossa…Anything we say on T20 opposite happens??? SA has just taken a wicket with his 2nd legitimate delivery ;)- A score of 133 is well below par though.

  56. #56 by theossa on May 13, 2008 - 4:42 PM

    Well, I’ll be the first one to Admit, “I am eating my words” at lunch break about Shoaib, and also Tilapia and Salmon. That’s 2 wickets for him in 2 overs and both very important ones. You said it all, “Anything we say on T20 opposite happens”. Is it SA or wheel of fortune spinning his way, hard to tell from Cricinfo live commentary.

  57. #57 by Awas on May 13, 2008 - 5:04 PM

    Yeah….its 4 in 3 overs now. That idiot Gangly should have kept him on…momentum remember? In the last couple of games, he was sitting in the dug out fuming…he is getting his frustration out now…LOL

    Is the ban likely to get reversed, shall we say ;)-

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2008 - 5:15 PM


    you have to give me your job description in detail plus send me some mithai then I will talk about your promotion. 🙂 On predictions and mithai I will tell you a joke later on in the next comment, but right now on cricket.

    Ganguly or Shahrukh Khan couldn’t have written a better script for Shoaib Actor, right from the word go he was attacking, got 4 top order wickets for only 11 runs and he is over the moon – ab dimagh na kharab ho jai kaheen!

    I am only worried about Dilshan Tilakaratne he is a very unassuming player, as long as he is there he is a danger for the Night Riders.

    Awas has Lee got any French background? Because, over here in Quebec they do the same, its like Indian girls saying come na, go na, lets do this na or Shakti Kapoor’s famous line “Lovely Know”, talking about Shakti Kapoor and his famous rape scene avec Anita Raj, which I saw a few days ago on youtube she was tied to the wall and he was pleasently pleased and when she asks “Yae aap nay kya kiya? Aap nay mujhay jakarr (tied) kion diya? He replies “Izzat utaar nay kay liyeh meri jaan, beghair hath paon jakray tou tum apnay badan per makkhi bhee nahee baith nay deteen.” She begs, “Bhagwan kay lieyh mujhay chorr dain and he responds, ‘Itni acchi cheez Bhagwan kay liyeh chorr doon tou mai kya khaon, Prasaad? (Prasaad is the pooja wali mithai)

  59. #59 by phirwohi on May 13, 2008 - 5:53 PM

    been a hectic day today..but just made it home to watch actor running away with those wickets….Javed looks like he wants to prove you wrong..
    but if he wants to i think has to learn one word… CONSISTENCY

    pata chala actor saab agli match tak disco phisco mei hi practice karenge…kamseen kalio ke beech..;)

    N i have replied to the mail..even though a bit late.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2008 - 6:20 PM


    I got my 2 cents bet right. It was based on the average score on Eden Gardens which is 125 during this IPL tournament and I thought if Kolkata Night Riders score 150 they will guarantee a win. And 133 was a fighting knock but Khalifa made the difference and in the end it was all Laxmi Shukla and not to mention the good fielding and the run outs.


    reportedly Shahrukh Khan is throwing a brown party tonight and obviously there will be beaches and hoors who can tame an elephant and you call them come-sin, na-daan and ullarh? For the first time Shoaib Akhtar chose his words right and did not blab rubbish i.e., when Rameez was asking him questions. Thori thori aqal aarahee hai ub.

    shukar hai niqaab posh name ki terha tumhari email burqay-wali nahee. I guess you are learning typing to have that name. Sabr kero jawab milay ga magar thora der say ‘coz I am busy.

  61. #61 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston Tx. on May 13, 2008 - 6:20 PM

    I once saw an interview of Waqar Younis on an Indian TV Channel and found his English flawless. He was very forthright and said that it was a tragedy to remove Javed MIandad from captaincy due to internal conpiracy and appoint more than half a dozen captains rather than retain him for atleast another two years when Pakistan had the nucleous of a world beating team.

    He named the 14-15 names of the players.

    Another interesting and amusing story: When Pakistan toured Australia under the captaincy of Miandad (it was his first, when the players revolted and he was removed) Clive Llyod, the West Indian Captain annonced his retirement from international cricket, the Australian Board gave a reception and all the teams were there.

    When it was the turn of Pakistan team’s captain, Miandad stood up and said “Thank you for retiring, Mr. Llyod!!” to the laughter of all and embrassment of those members of Pakistani team members who could speak or understand English.

    Finally, Majid Khan came forward and pushed Miandad aside and explained that he (meaning Miandad) can not speak English and meant blah blah…

  62. #62 by theossa on May 13, 2008 - 6:41 PM

    Javed, LOL at the Shakti Kapoor rape scene and his humorous dialogues, I did not watch the movie or the video clip but I can picture his drooling face. I lost my 2 cents because of Ganguly. Ganguly is such a clever fella; he tied this beast up for a couple of games and unleashed him on poor Delhi but like Him-again (phirwahi) predicted he’ll be out of body fluids by next match.

    Awas, I predicted this one on Pak Spin that Pak cricket board will be dissolved, Actor will appeal to the new committee and ban will be overturned. Nothing surprises me about Pak politics.

    LOL M. Y. Kasim at your post about Javed Miandad, someone here or perhaps on another blog said it nicely that the difference between the greatness of Miandad and that of Imran is their education.

    Well, gotta go now, will tty guys tomorrow.

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2008 - 6:43 PM

    M.Y. Kasim

    Sir – thats a very interesting point you have brought to our readers attention about how the world treated Pakistani players especially those who are not good in communicating with them in English.

    I think you should also throw some light on that ugly incident in which Denis Lille kicked Miandad and was fined only A$25.00 (US$17) and people still blame Miandad for raising his bat at the aggressor and call Miandad as the aggressor.

    I would also like to thank you for the support you have shown on PakSpin and taking this opportunity I would like to bring this to your attention that, you might see a few names on PakSpin who write against me, in reality there is only one man who holds a personal grudge and vendetta against me and keeps changing his name and stooping low and constantly abusing me. It doesn’t matter to me, he is showing his true colours.

    If you remember, you’ve tried to interfere in resolving the debate on that blog when there was an argument, rather a comparison that was drawn between Malik and Afridi’s performances during the year 2007. He replied to you that Javed is a friend and this is only a friendly debate and Javed is at his best when challenged. But, the reality is he took the matter to his heart and breached every moral and ethical aspect of any contractual obligation by stooping low and abusing all three of us with filth and crap.

    That debate was the end of the relationship due to his rude, crude and abusive attitude and khansahab, Awas and I are really lucky to have got “good riddance” from him and that blog. His blog is in total disarray and in his pursuit to succeed by hook or crook he has annoyed a few more of the bloggers and he writes on his own blog under different names. By the grace of God, here we have more people and most of them are happy and are beginning to understanding our point of view that we are more liberal, more tolerant and we want equal participation from Indians and Pakistanis.

    Being a Pakistani by origin, I may have disagreed to an Indian view or I may have shown my dislike towards an Indian player playing against Pakistan and supported Pakistan team (which is natural and many Indians have similar feelings like I have) and I have also responded to the comments from others because, everyone is free to respond and reply as he likes. I have always used this tit for tat tool.

    But, on a personal level, I have a few Indian friends here and in Dubai (it is more multicultural) as well as in India when I have visited India a few times as a banker. But, this “clown” tries to portray me as an Indian basher, whereas, he himself has shown so much remorse and hatred towards them and now trying to put up a holier than “cow” attitude. And, you know who I am talking about.

    Once again, thank you in person and thank you on behalf of Legslip. Keep us enlightened with your rich experience.

  64. #64 by khansahab on May 13, 2008 - 8:34 PM


    I understand your point about Waqar Younis. He is actually my favourite all time cricketer without a doubt. What I am trying to get across here is that Waqar in my view is not a good commentator and his bowling skills or status as a bowler is completely separate from his current occupation which is of an international commentator.

    You used Miandad’s example but I don’t think Miandad should be used in the same reference as Waqar for two reasons:

    1)It is Waqar who is the commentator, Miandad is not (it would be ridiculous for Miandad to be one, may I add)

    2)Miandad may have been a great batsman according to Pakistani standards, but Waqar was a great according to international standards and revolutionised the art of pace bowling. So he is a bigger cricketer and simply above Miandad.

    What I find common about both of them is that I believe they don’t get their due respect from the Pakistani public. Waqar had to constantly battle injuries and rifts with Wasim that led to Wasim overshadowing him, whereas I believe Waqar was a better bowler. As for Miandad, I see many Pakistanis having grudges and prejudices against him sadly, however this is a controversial area where I choose not to digress into.

  65. #65 by Awas on May 13, 2008 - 10:10 PM


    Yes, I agree he is not as good a commentator as compared to some of the names that Javed and I have mentioned but he is better than some of the other names that we have mentioned too. Anyways, aside from a few buttas and andaa, I never find his English poor. My view is further endorsed by the knowledgeable M Y Kasim by stating that he found his English “flawless”.

    Miandad’s example was merely to make a point that his batting greatness is not lessened by his inability to speak English. Off-field inadequacies of both make no difference to me for what they were as cricketers.

    I made no attempt in comparing who is bigger than the other. I, in fact admired them both by extolling their different wonderful abilities with quotations from famous people. It’s a shame and I do agree with you that people don’t give them due respect they both deserve. I can never understand however how people can have grudges against their own legendary sportsmen.

    Javed A Khan

    I endorse all that you said to MY Kasim in a wonderful manner.

  66. #66 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2008 - 10:46 PM

    There are several blasts in the city of Jaipur Rajhastan, India. The next match between the two Royals, Rajhastan and Bangalore is likely to be re-located to Bangalore. IF this tournament was taking place in Pakistan, imagine how many of the foreign players may have taken the first flight to their country of origin?

    Thanks God that they are not blaming Pakistan, according to some Indian secret service report appeared in the newspapers claim that some Bangladeshi fanatics have planted these bombs and they have been doing this in some other cities.

    The question is how safe is Mumbai, Chennai, Delhi, Kolkota or Bangalore after this Jaipur blast? A question that should be put forward before the ICC Royals and ask them to keep in mind that Pakistan is not the only country in the world where bombs go off.

    On PakSpin, I have mentioned about the rumour of Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Sharjah thinking of organizing “Arabian Nights Cricket” is a possibility after these blasts because the UAE is more safe than India and Pakistan and they can maintain law and order better than these countries owing to geographical situation and visa restrictions etc. But, they are definitely more organized.

    The Australians, New Zealand, England and SA might also join hands with Allen Stanford’s $20 million winner takes all offer. So, the question remains whether IPL will continue like this or the gora countries will gang up and start their own league – WPL or The World Premier League?

  67. #67 by hamza on May 14, 2008 - 12:01 AM

    very interesting discussion, this site has struck gold it seems!
    we often talk about pakistani talent. the calibre of pakistan players is not the same now as it used to be. we can all see in the IPL, the performances are ranging from strictly OK to really bad, in the case of mohammad hafeez and shaoib malik.afridi is OK in bowling and the rest are so so.
    shoaib akhtar came back with a bang and proved his worth.this should settle all doubts that he’s a matchwinning bowler who can compete in international cricket with any top bowler. twenty20 cricket suits him because he can bowl 4 overs on the trot with high pace and pick up wickets along the way.

    ive noticed on other sites that people are saying ICL players are better than current pakistan players. i disagree with this. i think the cricket board was right to show the door to ICL players because none of them are good enough to play for pakistan now. razzaq, azhar mahmood and rana naved, mohammad sami are history now. they can be good players in ICL format where only international rejects are playing but they would have been thumped in IPL where you have better quality players. the only thing going in favour of the lahore badshahs was the opening combination- imran nazir and imran farhat are better twenty20 openers than salman butt. the current bowling of umar gul, shoaib akhtar, asif, rao is much better than azhar mahmood, abdul razzaq, rana naved and sami. also in batting i think younis, yousuf,malik and misbah are better than naved latif,hasan raza.

    kolkota team is boosted due to shoaib’s arrival. let us see whether shoaib is consistent now in the remaining matches.

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  69. #69 by khansahab on May 14, 2008 - 10:26 AM


    Can you name me one person anywhere in the world who says Shoaib is not the fastest bowler or a match winning bowler?
    Of course he is a great bowler but his attitude stinks. That is because of his “paindoo” outlook on life and lack of refinement. There are people who always stick by him and always make noise whenever he performs, but these people don’t know that it is not Shoaib’s talent that is being ridiculed, but his general paindooism. If he had more humility and refinement he could have been Pakistan’s greatest bowler. He is a servant of the country and he can never be above the game of cricket or above his employer, the PCB.

    It is no wonder that people who support Shoaib Akhtar’s attitude and abuse his critics subscribe to the Choudhary mentality, like how a Choudhary party in a province of Pakistan made noise and urged PCB to drop the ban on Shoaib. Why do people bring regionalism and jingoism in sport? Regionalism will kill Pakistan cricket and unfortunately the Choudhary fools don’t realise this.

    Shahid Afridi should be made captain of the team immediately with Fawad Alam as his deputy. 🙂

  70. #70 by Awas on May 14, 2008 - 12:47 PM

    Javed, yeah I remember your mention of Wikki’s comments on PakSpin before…quite amusing. Pakistanis/Indians have tendency to use some home grown but distorted local lingo when they talk. When they say, if so and so is an automatic keep in the team, it means to say he is, something like, indispensable. Weird.

    Likewise, when I see a word “Congrats” appear these days on a scoreboard in IPL matches, I find it annoying as this abbreviated word doesn’t really exist in the English language. In cricket grounds elsewhere in the world, I only see proper “congratulations” on scoreboards. Perhaps too much text messaging is distorting people’s common sense. It may be OK to kill the words on tiny cell phones for the sake of being quick or to save money but why on big screens?

    Anyways, finding Waqar hilarious or flawless are personal perspectives after all but it’s a whole lot different to saying “he has ruined his image” or “the gloss has been removed because of his commentary”. For me memories of those searing toe crushing yorkers are still vivid as they were nothing but awesome and remain unmatched still. So my views about those memories are untainted and unwavered. I am only being fair (as usually I try).


    Hear…hear on Shoaib Akhtar. And I do agree with Hamza that he is only capable of bowling 3-4 overs. Anything more than that then he is bound to break down.

    Fawad Alam…deputy…yeah very funny ;)- On second thought, as no one genuinely commands an automatic “a keep” for a captain or deputy then may as well go the whole hog…what the hell ;)-

  71. #71 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on May 14, 2008 - 1:46 PM

    Javed A. Khan,

    I wrote that retort because it look to be a personal vendetta and not in the hope of “Mann toura Haji ba goyam, tou mara Haji bago”

    ‘I am agree not’ whenever I see fit, and you know me better than that.

    Re: Waqar Younis’ interview, it was some five years ago, he was sitting on a sofa and relaxed. I dont know if in the commentary box he is nervous or trying to be funny, I have not seen or heard him.

    I will dwell on the subject of Miandad-Lillee later on as also why people dont give due recgnition to Miandad, as in my humble opinion he is the second best batsman produced by Pakistan after Hanif Mohammad. Hold your horses. I have the right to… blah.. blah… blah….

    Its time for me to go for my Chemo-Therapy. See Ya.

  72. #72 by hamza on May 14, 2008 - 2:33 PM


    i think you need to cool down because although i am from punjab i am not a choudhary and i am also not a member of this “party of choudharys” you are complaining about. yes shoaib akhtar has attitude problem but my only argument was that he is a match winner for any team. i dont know why you use the word “paindoo” because other pakistani players have also been arrogant and aggressive, not all of them have come from punjab.

    i liked your joke about fawad alam being made VC.

  73. #73 by theossa on May 14, 2008 - 2:39 PM

    Chennai and Mumbai game has just started. This time little wonder Tendulkar is making his IPL debut and I can’t help my itching in the tongue and I’ll mutter a few words, which always fall flat because “Dr. Witch” of this blog has said something different. But what the heck, I’m going to say it anyway, I wouldn’t expect much from Tendulkar after a break and I’ll also add another doomed prediction that Chennai will win this one.

    Khansahab, Afridi captain and Fawad Alam vice captain? Hmmm I smell Karachi Bias here  and I like the idea anyway. No need to tell you that I’m from Karachi too.

    Awas, “Congrates” on a successful vigorous defense of Waqar Younis.

  74. #74 by khansahab on May 14, 2008 - 2:40 PM

    BCCI bans Harbhajan Singh for five ODIs for slapping fellow cricketer S Sreesanth. He will also miss the tour of Bangladesh and two matches of Asia Cup in Pakistan.

  75. #75 by Abdul on May 14, 2008 - 3:01 PM

    Khanshab just replying to your perosnal question about my age. I can tell u that I’m probably the youngest on this blog and really are u 21? Because from the picture u have uploaded you look much older than that? Sorry,if i’m offending u or anthing .

    Also my favourite player Mushy returns to the county scene today after a 3 week lay of. All county batsmen watch out for the googly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  76. #76 by khansahab on May 14, 2008 - 3:10 PM


    Finally I have found someone on a blog younger than me! You know what this means, we will pull your leg even more now 🙂

    No no you are not offending me, don’t worry. Actually that picture is me but I don’t lie about my age. I am really 21 but I had this picture taken in black & white at the photographer’s, and I was wearing a mask 🙂

  77. #77 by khansahab on May 14, 2008 - 3:26 PM


    Yes I know you are from Karachi because you had 22 girlfriends there before you went to USA 🙂

    Afridi deserves to be captain and I think if Fawad Alam was given meaningful chances he would be a candidate for vice captaincy. But because Fawad is expendable now as far as the Pakistan squad is concerned, we can say any possible promotion for his benefit is “ridiculous” or maybe “a biased decision”.

    Anyway I wasn’t entirely serious recommending Fawad for vice captaincy, as denoted by the smiley face that came after that comment! 🙂

  78. #78 by theossa on May 14, 2008 - 4:23 PM

    LOL Khansahab, you keep reminding me my golden days. My favorite hunting spots were shopping places like Tariq Road in Karachi; I was especially successful during “Chaand Raats” before Eid.

    Afridi will make a strong captain, he has the personality, Charisma, Enthusiasm, and the quality you highlighted “being hard headed” to lead the team. Malik will make a good girl friend.

    Chennai posted a modest 156 and it’s up to Mumbai how they respond. I hope they lose because I’ll win my $5 bet, good money for a 1.5 gallon of gas.

  79. #79 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 14, 2008 - 4:30 PM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ Shakti Kapoor’s rape scene. It reminds me one of his movies where Shakti Kapoor jumps in front of a young village girl and says, “main tumahri izzat lootoonga, tumahra balatkaar karroonga”, and she replies excitingly “Suchee …… please jaldee karo, iss say pehlay kay koi aa naa aajaay”. He is left dumb folded, and does not know what to do next 😉

    In another interesting rape scene (not Shakti’s though), the great Amjad Khan was a villain. Where he was surrounded by his ‘paltoo kuttay’ and had caught hold of Zeenat Aman. He wanted to get some information from Zeenat Aman’s dad who was not cooperating with Amjad Khan to tell where the gold was hidden (usual Indian movie stuff). So Amjad Khan turns to his henchmen and tell them. “ab iss ka baap hi iss ke koi madad nahin karta to main kiya karoon, chalo tum sab milkar balatkaar ki rasmain shoroo karo”. As if ‘balaatkaar’ was some sort of marriage ceremony with many tradional ‘rasmain’.

    Your comments on ‘keep’ made a good reading too 😉

  80. #80 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 14, 2008 - 4:52 PM

    Have not been able to contribute for sometime, but I have been constantly updating myself with latest comments on LS.

    Some interesting views, funny comments, liberal notes and intellectually presented and well supported arguments. This blog have every ingredient to make it one of the most popular meeting points of similar minds.

    It’s really heartening to see more and more peoples commenting their minds out.

    Javed Khan …

    Read your comments to M Y Kasim, are you referring to our friend doctor KA, as being using his own blog to write comments under different names ? This sounds ‘sick’ man. Anyways, I had written a few detailed comments on PakSpin myself and my comments were totally ignored and not published. Which put me off from that blog and now a days I do not waste my energy on PakSpin, I just go to that blog for the old times sack and read a few comments, nothing much really. I guess I would have said something to piss the guy unknowingly, under one of his many names 😉

    theossa …

    How come you are so sure that ‘phirwohi’ is “him-again”, it could very well be “her-again” 😉

    Or is it that being a ‘Pathan Ka Batcha’, you had some special intuition that phirwohi is really a “him” 😉

    On Cricket …

    Seeing Shoaib Actor in action was good. Although, I thought fitness wise he was not yet at his best, but he made a major impression on the outcome of that game.

    Yesterday was Shoaib’s day and he became a hero. It is mentioned in Quran somewhere that, “Verily Allah will give-respect to whom He will, and He will disgrace whom He will. All good is in His hand, and Allah is Able to do all things”.

    Perfectly applies to Shoaib’s case, where he was banned, humiliated, saved and finally blessed and respected, all within a matter of few days.

    Now Dr. Naseem Ashraf may ask his share of the IPL income from Shahrukh Khan 😉

    I see quite a few new names around, which is just great to see. I must confess this site is getting popular by the day, and we are the lucky ones to be part of this revolution from its early days.

    I guess the management of LS shall consider giving lifetime memberships to us all 😉

  81. #81 by theossa on May 14, 2008 - 4:55 PM

    Munir, the best rape scene is in action right now, Jayasuriya is raping all Chennai bowlers with no advance “rusmain”. My 5 bucks are gone……..

  82. #82 by khansahab on May 14, 2008 - 5:06 PM


    LOL @ “favourite hunting spots” of Karachi. You sound like you were a tiger hunter or vampire hunter or something like that! Well actually whether you’re hunting them or hunting girls, it’s not much of a difference is it 🙂

    At the moment “Jayasuria Chennai ka balatkaar kar raha hai”.

    Mohammad Munir,

    You reminded me of a funny incident that happened about 10 years ago. We were at a friend’s house and were watching this Indian movie, where the topic of “balatkaar” came up, like the heroine was raped by the villain or something. Of course at that time I didn’t know much about these things, and couldn’t understand much about movies anyway. My whole family was there and so was this other family whose house we had visited. So I innocently asked in front of everyone, “What is BALATRAAM”? I thought I heard “balatraam” instead of “balatkaar” because Indian movies have a lot of reference to “Ram” and “Krishnaa”. My question was ignored so I asked again, “What is balatraam!?”. It was really embarrassing because no one answered my question and I had to wait for a year or two until my mother told me it means “rape” and that I should never mention the word again.

    Now that I’m grown up I have no qualms in saying, Chennai is getting raped. 🙂

  83. #83 by khansahab on May 14, 2008 - 5:11 PM

    Tendulkar has been dismissed for 12 off 16 balls. Not a very good start for the Little Master. Well we kinda knew anyway T20 cricket is not his cup of tea.

  84. #84 by theossa on May 14, 2008 - 5:34 PM

    Munir, you posted a good question whether “phirwahi” is him-again or her-again. Well, that’s what him-again wrote in one of “his” posts, “i get to see lots of figures in the bank on a daily basis..big solid good round ones”. You get the idea what he was talking about. He is just another horny guy like us.

    Khansahab, LOL at your comments about your inncocent “balatraam” question. If was there I would have explained it to you in detail. I let this poor nephew of mine watch “Kill Bill” movie with me, needless to say he was shocked for several days by all that Quintin Tarentino gore. Did I mention, I also taught him how to spin ans throw a cat.

  85. #85 by phirwohi on May 14, 2008 - 6:17 PM

    Lol at all the Shakti -LOLITA- Kapoor “Zabardasti” jokes..( how could that word get missed )..there used to be a time when as teens we felt the actor having most fun in the movies to be Shakti Rape-kapoor !!…we did know he was just enacting what ever the role wanted him to play but it was really sad to know he in real life is the same lousy character he plays in films when he was caught on camera in a sting operation by a news channel.

    Theossa gotta say your an intelligent for being horny 🙂 well i was an innocent kid who didnt wish to grow up but all these girls around me did make me grow up pretty fast…but your surely in a league of your own…22 gf’s man your a bigger khiladi then akshay kumar.

    Chennai kings should be glad it was only rape and not gang rape lol

  86. #86 by khansahab on May 14, 2008 - 6:34 PM

    LOL @ phirwohi

    If Sachin had also got into the same mood as Jayasuria we could have said it is “gang rape”.

    Yeah and I agree with Phirwohi about Theossa, in fact he is not just Khiladi, he is Sabse Bada Khiladi, Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi and also International Khiladi. The other Akshay Kumar film is “Khiladi 420” but of course Theossa’s expertise is only limited to acquiring girlfriends, not doing chaar-so-beesi or “hera pheri” (which incidentally is another Akshay Kumar movie) 🙂

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2008 - 6:40 PM

    Oh boy! I had to attend some important work today and I missed the entire Balatkaar scene by Jayasuriya, raping all the Chennai bowlers and to finish off with his own Sri Lankan Kapura Gurda for 26 in 5 balls. I have to watch the replay later in the evening. There are so many comments from you guys and now I have to touch only briefly wherever appropriate.

    First, Mr. M.Y. Kasim: There was no intent to present a “Raag Malhaar” for you or to sing one of your heydays famous melody: “Tu mera Raag mai Teri Raagni,” neither it was meant to you scratch mine, I scratch yours. Hence the “Mann toura Haji ba goyam, tou mara Haji bago” its not the way I presented the facts for you. However, you are free to speak your mind and your feelings on this blog and I know for sure you are not like him. You are a Gentleman!

    Munir: NO we are not talking about Dr. KA of PakSpin. And KA doesn’t write on his own blog (may be once or twice since the inception of his blog he wrote something to answer a very pertinent question from the bloggers) and he is a gentleman first and a friend of mine too, and I still write there and have respect for him.

    If your comments were not posted its not his fault as cricinfo has control over ALL the blogs on their site. They have implemented that silly 1000 character rule and also they don’t publish comments which are not about cricket. We are talking about the icharaa ka chooorra.

    On Amjad Khan or Gabbar Singh, I never saw the movie Sholay, only heard its dialogues from friends (its ages since I saw an Indian movie in a cinema house, and the last Indian movie I saw on TV was at a friends house sometime back, may be 3 months ago) anyways, a friend of mine described this joke which I liked it and want to share with you. May be you have heard about it, if so ignore it.

    Hema Malini’s name was Basanti I guess and she had a tonga and the horse name was Dhanno. Reportedly there is a scene where she was in her tonga and was chased by Six Dakus of Gabbar and Malini gets very scared and asks her horse who was also running for her life to run even faster, and Basanti says: “Chal Dhanno bhaag jara aur jore say, aaj Basanti ki ijjat ka sawal hai” and the ghhoree Dhanno, turns back and says: “Acchaa? Aur wo Dakuaon kay chay (6) chay ghoray jo hain, wo tumko nazar nahee aa rehay hain?

    Back to the rape scene, this is what happens when a good player clicks and Jayasuriya is known as a basher, blaster, bomber and when he explodes he kills everyone. Its good to see that the Mumbaians kept their faith in him and today single handedly he has won the match for them.

    If the Deccan Chargers also see and realize this potential that they have in their available resources, they should open every innings with Gilly and Afridi and either one will explode. They have nothing to lose so why not use this weapon of aggression?

    In this tournament Gilly has gone berserk once like Jaya, McCullu and Symonds and on two occasions he played well, but Afridi has so far not been able to click in this T20 format other than his bowling and fielding. Since Laxman is ruled out of the IPL tournament its up to Gilly to use his OZ head. He still uses that squash ball in his gloves. Perhaps Gilly needs another squash ball in his abdomen guard to think positive and be more aggressive as a captain.

  88. #88 by phirwohi on May 14, 2008 - 6:48 PM

    Got to agree with Javeds comment about afridi.Theres no risk involved in making him open the innings because if Afridi stays on the wicket he has a 100+ strike rate and if he is not able to then coming late in the innings also dosent give him much chance to score…so the net result is the same.But if he dose manage to click the game is won single handedly…or a single handed balatkar of the opposition.

  89. #89 by theossa on May 14, 2008 - 6:51 PM

    LOL, him-again at you comment, “Chennai kings should be glad it was only rape and not gang rape”. Yes they were lucky that Tendulkar was rusty and could not e*ect. Another interseting quote from you, “i was an innocent kid who didnt wish to grow up but all these girls around me did make me grow up pretty fast”. Sounds like you had a lot of fun growing up, lol. I like your wicked sense of humor, keep posting.

  90. #90 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 14, 2008 - 7:05 PM

    LOL @ Lolita 🙂 / Kapura Gurda 🙂 / Gang Rape 🙂 / Balaatraam 🙂 / Basanti-Dhannu 🙂 / Honry guy like us 🙂 / ‘theossa – I also taught him how to spin and throw a cat’ 🙂

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2008 - 6:42 AM

    Deccan Vs. Delhi on May 15, 2008

    For Delhi it is important to win this match in order to get even with Kolkata in the rankings. But, for Deccan Charges its a must win situation and not only this one, they have to win all their remaining 5 matches and hope for the other matches to go their way to stay in contention for the semis. This is a big task for a team that is almost at the bottom pit of the rankings table.

    After 8 hours, when they both meet at the Feroze Shah Kotla ground it is likely that Asif and Malik both would be sitting at the dugout. The choice for Sehwag would be between Asif and Maharoof, they can’t drop McGrath, no one can drop McGrath from any side.

    Both Asif and Maharoof have their ‘pros and cons’ for tomorrows match, Asif has always taken Gilly’s wicket and in the last encounter too, he got him at 8 and thats pretty good to give ‘a nip in the bud’ and halt the Deccan Charges to charge. But, Asif is way too expensive not only in this tournament, but in T20 and ODI both.

    Maharoof sometimes takes wickets but, he stops the runs leaking. So, it depends on Sehwag whether he goes defensive and choose Maharoof, who is also handy with the bat or choose Asif to attack DC’s main striker? Knowing Sehwag’s aggressive tendency he might opt for Asif and take chances against Gilly’s wicket.

    On the DC side, Afridi might get a chance to sneak in on the basis that Vassy was totally off-colour in the previous match (after a break of few weeks) he gave away 36 runs in 3 overs. Afridi has a much better economy rate and if he gets a wicket in his first over he goes on attacking and gets a few more. This is his bowling aspect.

    As regards his batting, he too is totally off-colour, this time, if he plays he must open the innings. I don’t understand why Gilly can’t see this. I think Gilly got pissed off by Afridi’s careless shot against Shane Warne’s bowling and did not allow him to bowl more than 2 overs in that match in which he gave only 10 runs. As a captain you have to look at the bigger picture without getting emotional about your players. It doesn’t matter if Afridi gets out cheaply, but if he gets going like Jayasuriya did today, he will singlehandedly win the match. So, they have nothing to loose.

    Deccan’s fast bowling department is very weak, Vass was supposed to be very effective but he is not. Styris is a good player but he is not clicking either. Gibbs will remain in the team despite 5 failures (46 runs in 5 matches) they will still keep him in the team owing to his reputation. I hope he clicks, but I have my doubts, he has not acclimatized to the Indian pitches yet.

    We have been talking about the local Indian players whose names we keep forgetting because they are so many and not all of them are doing well and sometimes they play and sometimes they are replaced by someone else. That’s one of the reasons some people don’t take interest in watching the game being played between unknown people.

    I saw on ATN TV today, first they showed Harbhajan Singh who was captain of Mumbai team and after the toss he was asked; have you made any changes? He said, yes we have replaced ……… (blank face, trying to think the name) we have replaced one of the bowlers with …………….. with another bowler.

    The funny thing is when they showed Yuvraj Singh also did the same mistake in another match by saying we are replacing one of our bowlers with another bowler. The point is both of them being captains of their sides, made a decision a few minutes ago about who is playing and who is not? Still they can’t remember the names of their own players! Well, one thing is common between the two of them – both are Singhs.

  92. #92 by Awas on May 15, 2008 - 9:24 AM

    I only have a few minutes to write as I am at work. Javed, you are spot on.

    Afridi opening is the only choice and they have nothing to loose by doing so even if he fails. He is miles better than Vaas in bowling in this version of the game. Afridi is an automatic “a keep” in shorter versions on bowling alone, never mind anything else which are bonuses. Why was he a man of the tournament in T20 cup if he wasn’t “a keep?”

  93. #93 by theossa on May 15, 2008 - 12:29 PM

    “I am agree” with Javed’s analysis that Asif and Afridi are likely to play today. All Delhi has to do is to get the wickets of Gilly and Sharma under 20 runs and Delhi will have this match comfortably in their basket. Gibbs, Styris, and Afridi are all struggling big time so expecting something from them is a far cry. Also, I did not find any spark or fighting spirit in Deccans and I don’t know what will change that. However, Afridi has a point to prove and Gibbs is long over due to play the kindda knock he is capable of. What Deccans should be worry about are Sehwag and Gambhir, they are not performing well in the past few matches and last thing Deccans need is them clicking against their weak bowling, which is more than likely. My pick, Delhi.

  94. #94 by Awas on May 15, 2008 - 1:08 PM

    Theossa, well said. So that one of us turns out to be right, my pick, Deccans ;)-

  95. #95 by theossa on May 15, 2008 - 1:33 PM

    Awas, it doesn’t matter who you or I pick to win because it is who Javed picks going to win the match. Long live the Witch Doctor.

  96. #96 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2008 - 2:29 PM

    Yes Sir;

    I am absolutely right and on dot, because as predicted Asif and Afridi both are playing today. In fact Sehwag took a right decision in keeping Mahroof and dropping “ABCDevillier.” This way his fast bowling attack would be more formidable.

    Gilly realized the mistake he make in the previous match dropping Afridi was a mistake, hence he is back in now. In my opinion after winning the toss Gilly should have batted first on that glass top wicket and used aggression against the aggressor i.e., Gilly and Afridi opening the innings and scoring big. But, now he won’t let Afridi open the innings while chasing because a fall of early wickets could trigger panic.

    Anyways, lets see how the pitch plays it will be known to all of us in the next 90 minutes. The match is about to start in two minutes.


    to predict the team selection you don’t have to be Einstein or a witch doctor or a Peer Saiyeen, a little bit of cricket experience is enough to predict. In case of Inzi and Shoaib Malik’s captaincy you will never know what crawled up and died there when it comes to team selection.

    I still have to write you about the corny joke on predictions. May be we should create a sidekick forum on LS calling it a “gup-shup” forum like we created the “hot gals and cool cars” forum, so that we don’t mix cricket with other discussions and put off some die hard cricket fans. We need peeps opinion.

  97. #97 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 15, 2008 - 2:34 PM

    This thread is playing well at 97 not out.

    I am sure we will cross the maiden century today 🙂

    Well done all, specially LS guys !!

  98. #98 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2008 - 2:43 PM

    Second time DUCK for Sehwag. The way he was out today is so typical of Sehwag to play a shot like that. The Australians spotted that weakness in him that is bowling at chest high outside the off stump and he loves to play cut shots and holes in at the third man or the point region.

    About the pitch I said its glass top, it is but there is a hint of grass on it as well and that will make the ball swing. RP Singh should be able to take advantage. The dew is also there, in fact its already there now so its expected that when the team fielding second will have problems, especially the spinners. Afridi almost got his gauti run out by a brilliant throw. gauti is gambhir’s nick name from his first name gautam. Those who’ve played marbles in childhood must know that gauti or goti khelna, also a Karachi slang for a girl “hai hai meri goti.” And Munir please don’t mix up with a Muttawa’s goaty.

  99. #99 by Awas on May 15, 2008 - 4:28 PM

    Gambhir and Dhawan were excellent and have set a difficult task for Deccans to chase. Afridi, after bowling poor one over (why one?) needs to bat well or else he is doomed along with his team too.

    Gambhir has been very consistent throughout. What a sad name for a mother to call her newborn though ;)-…perhaps he was Gambhir (sad) looking!!! No wonder they prefer call him Gauti.

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2008 - 5:04 PM

    What a silly Akhroat shot Afridi played after getting a good start 33 in 14 balls, he should have waited for a few more deliveries from the spinner Misrah before trying to hit him out on the very first ball he bowled. Misrah bowls his leg spin slower than Afridi and Warne hence he could be dangerous on this pitch. Nonetheless, sending Afridi up the order has proved my point that he can give a flying start to the team with Gilly and it also makes us do some “fishful thinking” that Gilly is reading our comments LOL.

    Awas yeah why one over? I think the plan was to delay Afridi till the two left hand batsmen are on the go. Because, other than Sohail Tanvir none of the bowlers are good while bowling to left handers. However, when Gauti and Manji kithay Dhawan pulled the partnership together for more than a hundred runs their plan backfired and had to introduce Afridi. It was that time that Gauti and Dhawan both were well settled and they targeted Afridi just like they did to RP Singh earlier who gave 20 runs in his over.

    Then Ojha took a couple of wickets and not many overs were left, perhaps thats the reason he did not give Afridi another over. But, it was good to see he promoted him up the batting order. Now that he has contributed something with his bat and proved a point, it would be very interesting to see Deccan vs. Kolkata against the bowling of Shoaib Akhtar.

    The match is not evenly poised and Delhi has an upper edge now with Afridi and Gilly both gone back to the dugout. Unless, Rohit Sharma plays a match winning innings they are set to loose. Lets see what happens next.

  101. #101 by theossa on May 15, 2008 - 6:13 PM

    Mishra and Gambhir have sunk the Deccans and I win my first bet. Styris played almost 5 overs and just scored 29 runs and that’s mere 6 runs an over but like I said before the real reason of their defeat would be their weak bowling. So good bye Deccans and a big Boo for all that Hyderabad hype which got us excited.

  102. #102 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2008 - 6:29 PM


    Yeah I’ll also join you in booing the Deccan Chargers, but its their real bad luck when they won the only 2 games they won it very convincingly and comprehensively. When they lost, they came closer to winning and could not finish it in their favour.

    Now, like Gilly said, we will play the remaining four matches for fun. I bet that would be worth watching since they have nothing to loose after losing a place in the semis. So, watch out for big hitting and entertaining cricket from them.

    Remember, I wrote when Afridi was out on the first ball of Mishra, he could be dangerous as he bowls slower than Afridi, Warne and even Murali and on this wicket the ball was bouncing very well and coming up to the batsmen and thats why they flogged the bowlers who were bowling fast. Asif was once again too expensive, rather most expensive 51 in 4 overs. Mishra bowled intelligently exploiting the wicket by bowling slow. What else can he dream, a hat-rick and 5 wickets, in fact he could have got 4 in 4 balls Karthik missed the easy stumping chance, which did not please Sehwag who bad mouthed at him.

    Talking of Sehwag, he got out on a duck for the second time but, he used his resources very well, he knew that if Gambhir, Dhawan and himself if he had scored could post a decent total on the board and they did. So, he opted A B De Villiers out and used him as “a temporary keep” i.e., substitute, he took 2 important catches. Also, the “extra keep” in Shoaib Malik as another substitute he also took 2 good catches, but the best of all the catches came from Tilakaratne Dilshan to dismiss Gilly. The shot was excellent and I thought its a four and Dilshan dived in front to pick it up inches above the ground.

    Rohit Sharma after playing some glorious shots got out in a stupid fashion. That was a premeditated shot. He was lured to play in the vacant deep fine leg area I would say he Misbah-ed that shot and that too at the wrong time.

  103. #103 by M. Y. Kasim. Houstn. Tx. on May 15, 2008 - 8:46 PM

    Javed A. Khan,

    Thank you for the compliments. I and three of you know each other for a long time from three or four different sites you guys started. I wish you finally succeed in this venture. I may have some difference of opinions with you guys, but I always admired your eloquence and sense of humour and satire.

    I no longer visit that particlar site, since I see what you described.


    The picture you see is not of Khansahab but of Marlon Brando from his role in the epic movie “Godfather.” And that of Awas is W. G. Grace’s, since you are in England and an active cricketer, you must have known.

  104. #104 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2008 - 9:27 PM

    Mr. M.Y. Kasim

    It is good to have difference of opinion otherwise, too much agreement kills the fun. Like it happens on other blogs where some of the bloggers say: “I am agree,” very good thread or you are on dot etc. The reason I give spontaneous retorts to my critics is to bring more fun and add more colour to the blog. A blog should be more creative, original and fun.

    And creative capacity is not a rare species of ability only to be found among the most intelligent or genius beings but, it is widespread. Also, creativity originates and evolves when two or more opposite matrices clash or interacts with different opinions and point of views.

    Whatever you bring to this site by way of your contribution is your experience and whatever other guys are doing is simply having fun and a good time at the blog, otherwise no one comes to a cricket blog to say “Milaad-Shareef.” So, go ahead and express your views on IPL.

    I think abdul is not that naive not to know, he must have been pulling khansahab’s leg just for the heck of it.


    I think you got it wrong here, Gambhir doesn’t mean sad, it means Big, Great, Azeem, Mahaan, Agham, etc., etc., Its an old Sanskrit word and of course the roots of Hindi are from Sanskrit. During the time of Hz. Amir Khusroo, in his sufi lyrics especially the one I like and I am sure most of you like it : “Chhaap Tilak Sab Cheeni ray Mo say Naina Milaiyke.” Further it goes on, ” Baat Agham Keh dee nee ray Mo say Naina Milaiyke.” Konsi baat? Gehri baat, the word Gambhir is used in many context but definitely it does not mean ‘sad.’

    And his name Gautam Gambhir, is derived from Gautama Buddha the Great. Like, Buddha or Gautam was great, this Gautam is also as great as The Buddha, thats the reference that is being made in his name and I think thats how his parents must have thought about it. Sorry, I couldn’t help but explaining this to you and there is no malicious intent here to prove a point. In fact, I would like someone to correct me if I am wrong.

  105. #105 by Awas on May 15, 2008 - 10:21 PM

    Javed you may well be right and I never dislike to be corrected as no one is ever right.

    My Sanskrit/Hindi is never so good anyway. The Ghambir in Hindi/Urdu/Punjabi that I was thinking was when it’s used in the context of “aik Gambhir see shakal wala admee” for example which is used in the context of “a sad/serious/solemn looking man”. Perhaps you have heard of Ghambir in that context?

  106. #106 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2008 - 11:43 PM

    Some people do refer “Gambhir” as serious i.e., when trying to convey “ek Gambhir si baat ho gayee” That could mean as “Ek serious baat ho gayee.” Even the word ‘serious’ is used in several contexts like, I am serious or, are you serious? It is entirely different from “something serious happened.”

    I admit that, I’ve never heard it in the context of shakal (face) I have heard, “ek Gambhir sa aadmi,” OR, “ek lahim shahim sa aadmi.” A man with a big frame. “Ek Gambhir Samsiya hai” Or “Ek Gambhir masla hai” or “Moamla bara Gambhir hai. It is always referred as big and of course when the matter is very serious. When it is used as a noun it means big. As an adjective we use it to describe the gravity of the situation we use it as serious, earnest, grave etc.

    Gambhir is definitely a Hindi word. One should not be surprised if it is used by Urdu speaking people. Because, Urdu is a mixture of Arbic, Turkish, Persian, Pushto and Sanskrit (mainly Prakrit). The word Urdu in Turkish means “Lashkar” or Army. Gambhir also means “Agham” but some people wrongly say it as “Adham” which is incorrect to Gambhir’s meaning.

    When the armies of the Moguls from Central Asia came to India, they had soldiers other than their own i.e., Central Asia, they also had Turks, Arabs, Persians, Afghans and of course later on some local people also joined them. With a blend of so many cultures and languages a new language emerged and it was referred as the language of the Army or language of the Urdu (Lashkar). However, the basic platform of Urdu is traced even before the Mogul conquest i.e., during the time of Amir Khusro which dates back 300 years prior to the Moguls, that language was referred as Hindavi and it is more close to Hindi. Since Amir Khusro’s background is from Persia, the Persian connotations are also found in his Hindavi. That is why it is not just Hindi, but Hindavi.

    Although Sanskrit is one of the oldest language in the world but, it was not the language of the masses, owing to its complexities and difficult to master its grammar and rules that govern the language. Written Sanskrit was used mainly by the literati Pundits and learned people and scholars. It is for this reason Sanskrit couldn’t survive like Latin. Anyways, I do not wish to drift from the subject. But it is always interesting to know the roots or the origins of people, language, words and how they are adopted in another language.

  107. #107 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on May 16, 2008 - 12:52 AM

    Re: Miandad, he certainly was totally un-educated as his circumtances did not allow him to attain any education plus he had no inclination to acquire any academic education. I say this since his father, late Noor Mohammed Miandad was Coach, Captain and Manager of Muslim Gymkhana of which I was an active member (not of cricket team, ofcourse). He was completely devoted to cricket from an early age and why he became such a fighter was because he grew up in a rough neighbourhood of Karachi called Poonabai Tower.

    Even Hanif Mohammad was not that educated. I had the priviledge to play against him at least for a couple of years when I was playing for my school, Madressah Islamiya while he was playing for Sind Madressah along with Mohammed Munaf and Ikram Ilahi and Master Abdul Aziz was their coachi in the Karachi’s Inter-School Tournament for the Ruby Shield.

    It was Hanif who was the original “Little Master” and not Sunil Gavasker or Sachin Tendulkar. Rumour had it when Len Hutton, who was called “The Master” after Jack Hobbs, saw Hanif batting during Pakistan’s tour of England in 1954 he said “if I am called Master, then Hanif should be called Little Master” I dont know the truth about this story.

    When I and my friends started playing Bridge seriously, Dr. Mohammed Ilyas and Mohammed Aslam formed “Pakistan Contract Bridge League” and asked us to join it. To our surprise, Aga Azeem Rahamani invited a player from England and teamed him up with the most popular player in Karachi, Masood Salim. He was an orphan from a small town from Punjab and raised by a Memon widow. He could not even write his name.

    The player from England turned out to be the legendary Zia Mahmood, who has been acclaimed as the ten best Bridge player ever!!

    They with two more pairs went on to compete in World Bridge Olympiad called Bermuda Bowl and reached final where they went down fighting to USA.

    Similarly, Latif Amir Baksh was the son of Amir Baksh, the marker of Karchi Gymkhana Billiard and Snooker Room. He ocasionally helped his father.

    When his father died pre-maturedly, he took up his father’s job. He used to pactice when no one was around in no time became a force to reckon. Finally, the members of Karachi Gymkhana, Karachi Club, our Muslim Gymkhana, Karachi Parsi Institute, Bohra Gymkhana and others raised money and persuaded Pakistan Billiards and Snooker Association to send to compete in Asin Tournament where he won the crown!!

    I understand he also competed in world events, I am not aware of it nor the results. I must have been out of the country or something.

    And lastly, you guys must have heard from your elders about the Great Hashim Khan. How a ball boy to the British Officers became world chammpion and that too the greatest of his trade!!

    Inherent talent, hard work and ability is a MUST but education and discipline makes that much better. It gives it the finesse and

  108. #108 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2008 - 7:27 AM

    Mr. Kasim

    your comments ended rather abruptly for reasons best known to you, hope you are OK? Your detailed narration about Miandad’s background and also that of Hanif Mohammad the real “little master” and a few others of his time reveals some information about the history of Pakistan cricket.

    A few months ago I was reading Dr. Saad Shafat’s article on Hanif Mohammad and Javed Miandad. The point he has highlighted which most people are not aware of Hanif Mohammad is, his 337 against the mighty West Indies of that era lead by Sir Garry Sobers is still a record. Because, it was scored in the team’s second innings or the 3rd innings of the game. All test 300’s have been scored in the first innings the team played. It is difficult to score in the third or fourth innings. If you look at players averages innings wise and compare them with their scores of the first innings, the first innings avarage is always much higher than the second innings.

    Dr. Saad Shafqat is a consultant neurologist at Aga Khan University, Karachi and he has also the co-author of Javed Miandad’s autobiography, called “The Cutting Edge” I am sure if you’ve read that. Also, if you read Dr. Shafat’s articles he will amuse you by narrating the old stories, records, performances and even with the personal and dressing room talk of great players.

    In one of his articles he wrote: “Sarfraz Nawaz had been the inventor of the art of reverse swing, but he couldn’t bowl seriously fast and it was left to Imran Khan to take this art form to its greatest heights.” And he quoted the bowling performance of Imran in that India Pakistan series in which Imran took 40 wickets in that series at an astonishing 13.95. The then famous W&W took it further which created the controversy of ball tampering and now its an art?

    Obviously for me players before the era of Imran Khan and Javed Miandad is only history. And I have not seen all of the matches played by these two. Some I get to see on video or by way of highlights. The CBN channel that I have in the satellite package that I have, shows all time great cricket matches throughout the year i.e., whenever they are not showing any live match they show the old matches, mostly ODI’s, T20’s and highlights of test matches.

    And other than that CBN usually transmit old Indian songs under the title of “The Golden Hits.” I have heard some of those songs as re-mix in the newer version of music but, when I see the original ones in black & white or in Eastman and Kodak colour also, the actors or actresses who are singing that song spoils, rather ruins the impression that was earlier created by my mind.

  109. #109 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2008 - 7:50 AM

    Mumbai Indians vs. Kolkata Night Riders encounter today

    The match will be played at the Wankhede Stadium Mumbai (the same stadium where the Shiv Sena once said, na kheden ge na kheden denge) which has always favoured the home team. And Sachin Tendulkar must be roaring once again to play a good innings in front of his home crowd.

    Talking of home crowds, Sehwag was not only booed in yesterday’s match at his home ground in Delhi but some spectators also hurled some harmless missiles at him when he was fielding in the deep during the death overs.

    The spotlight on today’s match will be on the two big names, Jayasuriya and Shoaib Akhtar. And a lot of speculation is going on that these two big guns will continue to fire. It is possible that Shoaib may bowl another fiery spell but, it is not possible for Jayasuriya to score another scintillating century. It is simply impossible to repeat a performance like that.

    If it happens I will be pleasantly surprised to watch some real entertaining cricket. And that also means crucifixion of Shoaib Akhtar’s bowling. Both teams are not likely to make any changes as both do not want to disturb the winning combo. I guess toss would be the key as both teams would prefer to bat later as chasing a target would be easy.

  110. #110 by Awas on May 16, 2008 - 2:29 PM

    Riders, for once, have three Pak players in their team today, Hafeez, Butta and Actor. So, no prizes for guessing which team am I supporting today.

    Theossa, no more bets with you matey…I already lost out with you yesterday ;(-

  111. #111 by theossa on May 16, 2008 - 2:30 PM

    M. Hafeez and A. Agarkar are in for Tatenda Taibu and Iqbal Abdulla, smart move by Kolkata I would say. On the paper Mumbai seems to have an advantage over Kolkata in batting Department but I think Shoaib and Sharma will take care of the danger man Jayasuriya. I’m more worried about a hungary Tendulkar as he has a point to prove today. This should be a good contest but Kolkata’s bowling could prove too much for Mumbai so my bet, Kolkata wins.

  112. #112 by theossa on May 16, 2008 - 2:31 PM

    Yeah Awas, you owe me 5 bucks.

  113. #113 by Awas on May 16, 2008 - 2:36 PM

    Can’t you wait till I get evens with you today ;)-

  114. #114 by theossa on May 16, 2008 - 2:38 PM

    I thought we picked the same team so your debt is not going down Bud.

  115. #115 by Awas on May 16, 2008 - 3:29 PM

    Three boos for Riders…useless batting ;(-

  116. #116 by theossa on May 16, 2008 - 3:33 PM

    I bet Shoaib and Agarkar can bat better than their batsmen, who were falling like autumn leaves. Tedulkar will be licking his lips at this total.

  117. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2008 - 4:04 PM

    What an anti-climax for the Night Riders. This is the LOWEST score in IPL or may be in any 20/20 game by any team. When Salman Butt was out on 13 runs I said, what a stupid shot, but it turned out that there were many more stupids to follow him and he is perhaps one of the better stupids in the team to go into double figures. Hafeez has always disappointed with his poor batting and mediocre bowling. Instead of him Ganguly should have taken Umar Gul, i.e., if at all he wanted to replace Taibu.


    Shoaib and Sharma cannot defend a total of 67 and the other thing is, this pitch is favouring medium pacers they will be lucky to get a wicket, perhaps Ganguly and Agarkar can get a few but, not the express bowlers. I will really be surprised if they get. Tendulkar is lucky today not only that he got his old mate Ganguly’s team out very cheaply but he also took 4 catches, 3 in the slips and one at mid-wicket, seems like the catches were following him?

  118. #118 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2008 - 5:07 PM

    I was right in predicting that neither Shoaib nor Sharma would be able to defend that meager total of 67 which was achieved by the Mumbai Indians in just 5.3 overs and both of them were not effective, especially Akhtar’s second over went for 22 runs and my bad Jayasuriya was once again “Balat-karring” the opposition and I was wrong in predicting that he won’t repeat the same performance, well it wasn’t the same as his 114 not out but 48 not out in just 17 balls six fours and 3 sixes is no less than from where he left. He is not out again so its more likely that he will continue this form. The Wankhede stadium ground is also very small so his flicks were easily going over the fence.

    Ganguly has to regroup his defeated soldiers and instill some energy in them. They need some cracking openers at the top, Butt, Chopra, Hafeez, Ganguly himself are not the sort of players who can give a flying start. They have good bowlers but they also need batsmen to score a good total.

    Like, I said, winning the toss would be the key and thats exactly what happened. If Kolkata were fielding first then the result would have been different.

  119. #119 by Abdul on May 16, 2008 - 6:11 PM

    Javed A Khan, u don’t have to expert to say that Kolkota Night Riders are unable to defend a minor total of 67. Anyone can work that one out. It was a rather embrassing peroformance from the Night Riders who only manged 67. They were completely ruthless in the fisrt few matches but have completely shrunk in the last couple of games. Therere downfall has been that they have lost all there big players whoose performances were outstanding in the fist few matches like Pontng and Mcculum due to international cricket. Now Kolkota are relying on the pace duo of Sharma and Akthar who have just had a tonking from Mumabai.

    I agree that Gangually has to regroup his troops in order to find back there early form in the tournament. There batting is a major concern and they are lacking experience. Meanwhile ipart from Tanvir’s 6 a couple of weeks ago the Pakistanis have harldy performed in the tournament. Before the Ipl I predicted that Kolkota will win without considering that they will lose players later on but now I’m regreting that decision and am extremely doubtful about there chances at this very stage in time.

    Meanwhilw I have to stop wiriting as I’m of to watch the highlights of England vd Newzeland whom Mcculm played an excellent on a gloomy day at Lords yestreday. The highlights programe is called cricket on 5 and is a quality highlights show with great commentators with great descriptions and analysis like Boycoot, Simon Hughe , Barry Rickrds and the presenter Mark Nicholas.
    What a commentary team unlike the dull coverge and commentators that bore u like Waqar Younis , Zaaer Abbas , Mushy and co.

    Anyway I’m playing cricket this tomorrow so wish me luck.
    Bye for now my friends

  120. #120 by Abdul on May 16, 2008 - 6:13 PM

    Sorry about the mistakes but hopefully u can figure out.

  121. #121 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 16, 2008 - 9:02 PM

    Javed Khan …

    While your post of 16.05.08 @ 07.50.29, you predicted as below:

    – Jayasuriya will not repeat his performance. Well he did, and if he would have continued, he would have scored another scintillating century.

    – It is possible Shoaib will bowl another fiery spell. With only 67 runs on the board, he could not.

    – Both teams will not make changes. They did and more so Kala-kata and they paid the price of playing 3 Pakistani ‘stars’ for first time.

    Yes, about the toss you were spot on.

    I am not trying to blame you, but this T20 is nobody’s game. All I see are wrong predictions by all of us.

    As it is there was enough ‘unpredictability’ with Tests and ODI in this game of cricket, whereas this 20/20 is totally a mess. Good only for bookies.

    I wanted Kolkata to win, and more so Mumbai to loose, because there is not a single Pakistani or even a “mian bhai” in the Mumbai team.

  122. #122 by Awas on May 16, 2008 - 10:32 PM

    Mohammed Munir

    Yeah, correct predictions are very difficult in this fluke game. Bookies must be doing a roaring trade, is a good point.

    Especially now that there are going to be some dead games, it’s perfectly possible for the bookies to get more involved. That would be a real shame as power of money can sway some people.

  123. #123 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2008 - 11:18 PM

    LOL Munir @ your main-bhai-ism and also for picking up my not so Nostradamus like predictions. I have already responded to my own predictions soon after the match, please read them above. Talking of predictions in money markets, no one claims that their predictions would come true. I used to say, my predictions are always correct, but my predictions lasts only for one second. Anyways, back to the match.

    1. On making changes in the team, normally no team wants to disturb a winning combination, since both had earlier won a game each, I thought they won’t make any changes. From Mumbai, there was only one change i.e., Rajesh Powar played instead of Kulkarni who was injured. Kulkarni had earlier taken 3 wickets in the match against Chennai 2 days ago. They wouldn’t have dropped him if he was not injured, but it was unavoidable.

    2. Ganguly made a mistake by bringing in Hafeez, I would have played with Umar Gul instead i.e., to have a solid bowling attack. Butttttttttt their batting failed miserably so no matter how good the attack may have been no one could have defended paltry 67 on the board.

    3. I said, toss is very crucial whoever wins the toss would be the key. The moment Ganguly lost the toss there was a very obvious faint look on his face and that was enough to say what I meant how important toss is on that ground.

    4. I said, Jayasuriya won’t be able to repeat the performance, well I can’t be right all the time, he pleasantly surprised me and thats what I said. I also said that in that case it will be crucifixion of Shoaib and it happened in his second over he gave away 22 runs and was removed.

    The point that Jayasuriya was too good on this ground is due to the fact that the ground is very small, the point and square leg boundaries are only 65 meters and his flicks or pulls were landing behind the ropes. He could not have done that on a big ground like Eden Gardens Kolkata or MCG, by saying this I am not taking away the credit from him. He is a great player.

    Had Akash Chopra jumped a little earlier or had there been a taller person in the slips, Shoaib’s first ball catch may not have been dropped. But, thats a part of the game. He did manage to get Tendulkar for a duck on his 5th ball. The match may not have ended in 5.3 overs and it may have still gone in favour of Mumbai but, may be after 10 or 12 overs.

    Tomorrow’s 2 matches between the two RR’s and Delhi vs. Punjab would be so, so. But, it would be interesting to see both the Sunday matches, first the Kolkata and Chennai match at Eden Gardens, they should play well at home, home of Shoaib Akhtar since he has applied for nationality after seeing Riya Sen, that’s his hope or “fishful thinking” that he has attracted her by his sumo wrestlers kinda frame.

    The second one between Mumbai and DC in Hyderabad. Btw, the DC record on their home ground is not so good, in fact their record away from home is also not good. The only interesting aspect would be the DC players will play without the fear of losing, winning or losing makes no difference to them now. So, Gilly, Gibbs, Afridi should be playing the role of berserks. If that happens, perhaps it will make you happy for whatever ambitions you have. 🙂

  124. #124 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on May 17, 2008 - 8:47 AM

    Awas …

    It was reported in media that, according to rough estimates, this IPL has already crosses well over 20 times the amount of bets and gambling than it was spent on the entire T20 World Cup last year. What a shame !!

    Javed Khan …

    While we are at it, just imagine Actor’s sumo-like frame and Riya Sen’s petite body, and now imagine the sumo-wrestling between them 😉

    I guess Actor will soon have many actresses around him for a round of wrestling.

    Your forecast about the DC and Mumbai match, well all I can say is that ‘Aap Kay Moun Maen Ghee Shakar’. I hope they are humiliated by the DC, and I wish Gilly or still best that Apna Afridi crushes them. (I know I am hoping against all hopes, but this is what ‘fishful’ thinking is all about) 🙂

    theossa …

    My 5 bucks for today’s games are on Rajasthan and Kings Punjab.

    Khan Sahab …

    Where are thou?

    Phirwohi …

    Phirwohi nahin hai.

  125. #125 by Mohammed Munir on May 17, 2008 - 12:44 PM

    Bangloroos are 5 for 3.

    And Rajasthan Royals are really Banging-the-Loroos 😉

  126. #126 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2008 - 2:49 PM

    Bang(ed)loorus and the way Dravid played in the end shows this is how him and the DC players will play their next 4 games. Its a shame that Tanvir was denied of his 4th wicket, the catch was clean and if the third umpire couldn’t decide, he should have referred it back to the field umpires by telling them, its not clear here, since you are on the spot you may have seen it better, you decide. Although it didn’t matter to the team or anyone, except a wicket less for Tanvir’s tally and may be a wee bit good for Dravid who added 14 runs in the last over.

    Malak Saab is playing today Asif as expected is out, he is not effective in the shorter version of the game. If Malik doesn’t deliver this time, he will be a permanent fixture in the dugout for the rest of the tournament. I hope he does for Pakistan’s sake.


    Let khansahab and theossa relax on this long week-end, they have been working “hardly”. 🙂 And, yeah me too, I’ve heard that betting news only last night and the amount is staggering high and its a real shame that the IPL’s success is also making this underworld players bloom.


    Are you the same “banda par war, thaam lo jigar” burqay wali? Man where the eff are you? Your team has drubbed SRK’s and Actor’s team, but they say “apni gali may kutta bhee sher hota hai, come to coal cat-a and we show you ours”

    The Delhi Punjab contest is about to start its all set and the umpire is about to say PLAY. I put my 0.5 cents on Delhi because of Malak saab.

  127. #127 by phirwohi on May 17, 2008 - 4:22 PM

    Wish to comment on the matches..have to reply to javed bhais mail ..but stuck with last minute shopping for a friend whose getting married on monday..but keeping track of whats happening through the mobile…

    wanted to make a few observations ..wonder how many of you will agree..

    as has been mentioned above the betting is huge..some say tis already some 6000 crore rupees…

    in the match against bong riders one could see azhar sitting right next to indian selection chairman azhar still is a banned person as far as icc is concerned ..he cannot associate himself with any cricketing event world wide as far as my knowledge goes..we have jadeja whose commentating..who was hands in gloves with azhar..and these along with kapil , nikhil chopra salim malik and few others whose names i have forgotten made millions along with the arab sheikh punters of sharjah who were not satisfied with only camel racing…we common people were made fools of by these superstar cricketers by fixing matches…and after everything was made public after the cronje scandal..i had lost all interest in cricket..and now i see mr vengsarkar and azhar looking at each other and smiling and looking into each others eyes ( aakhon aakhon mei ishare )..suddenly makes me very nervous and doubtful..why the sudden changes in kkr team..why this kind of defeat..
    may be i am just imagining things..but shouldnt the chairman of selectors have some sense?

    The Actor is still in trouble..there are reports of him carrying 24 syringes and being caught at karachi airport…sumo wrestler ne kaha ke usko dia-bite-tis hai..and its cast a doubt over his performance..but i think he wouldnt really need drugs for bowling only 4 overs…might have been diffirent if it were a test of even one day..but i dont think one needs drugs for just 4 overs.
    may be its dr ashraf who is getting back at him in his own way..anyways ..this has forced mr modi to announce about getting firang experts from abroad to test the players.
    (one thing i am happy about is and i think even javed will agree he has got rid of his was horrible..i wonder how many of you have heard salman khan speak in english..i would really like to know from you javed what do you make of his accent..the joke here was that sallu mia spend hardly 24 hours in eenglaind and acquired the accent)

    coming back to circkut..apne gully mei to sabhi sher hote hai ;)..but pack of wild dogs can tear apart the shers as well..and they can do it in anyones gully-moholla..

  128. #128 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2008 - 4:23 PM

    Delhi Dared “Evils” vs. Kings XI Punjab

    As Sehwag and Gambhir were creating thunder and lightening the ever annoying Arun Lal was repeating his pet words:

    ” Carrying the momentum,”
    ” Just what the doctor ordered;”
    ” Sitting moment of success,”

    And that Duddoo, Amir Churail apes him in his own phony accent and perpetually croaks in slow motion like a story teller, his croaking is a real ear-sore. Like a terrestrial frog of the rain forests he croaked so loud today that, Chac the ancient Maya God of rain sent a few clouds over the Feroze Shah Kotla ground to pour some rain on his satellite dish (tind) to cool him off and to stop his croaking. But, before that he was uttering, muttering, mincing and chewing these words:

    Gambhir is getting may-yer (measure) of the pitch
    incraydable (incredible) shat by the mighty gauty gambir
    Viraynder Sehwag meddling (middling) the ball now.
    Viraynder Sehwag has only phazed (faced)17 balls to score his 48 runs and I must tell you what a batsman he is !

    OK buster you’ve told us enough. Now, its raining, its pouring the old man (Tony Cozier) is snoring.

  129. #129 by phirwohi on May 17, 2008 - 4:32 PM

    will the teams share the points if it gets abandoned due to the rain? will have to say it will be very lucky for the kings 11 punjab team as i couldnt see them winning seeing the way the delhi guys were batting..

  130. #130 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2008 - 4:47 PM


    YOU are right on those two accounts. Azhar sitting with his T-shirt collar up, because thats the only thing he has that goes up, baki sab down hai. When I saw him with Vengsarkar me2, I thought wtf? why is he here? He is banned and he is in the VIP enclosure? Last night at a friend’s house we were talking about betting in IPL and that’s huge amount which you’ve quoted I dunno the lakhs and crores but its definitely big time money.

    Also, I heard about the syringes that were found in Khalifa’s bag, he perpetually carries a Ventolin inhaler and in 50 over match he cannot finish his 10 over quota without huffing and puffing. As regards diabetics Wasim Akram ko tou hai and he used to use injections before the match. But, Khalifa’s diabetes news is a NEWS to me. Syringes kay alava vaghaira, vaghaira bhee bahot kuch ho sakta hai, he has gone there fully prepared. 🙂

    Sallu’s English was not that bad earlier, may be now he has put on some phoney Cockney accent after staying with some gora Cockney inhabitants in Lon don. The Cockney accent is considered by many as one of the broadest of the British accents. Because this accent was most common among the British Broads 😉 Some of their children are Chris Broad and his son Stuart Broad etc., etc. The reason Yuvraj Banged Stuart in SA for six sixes is, at the back of YV’s mind it was Stuarts family name and YV thought all I have to do is bang bang.

  131. #131 by Abdul on May 18, 2008 - 8:48 AM

    It’s time for a new thread don’y u think

  132. #132 by Awas on May 18, 2008 - 10:39 AM

    There are three Pak players in the Riders team, so let’s see how they fare.

    No more bets from me anymore…

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