PREDICT THE FINALISTS & PREDICT THE IPL WINNER

The Red Cherry called Dipika Padukone

Yuvraj\'s gaol and Dhoni\'s goal is same

Dhoni\'s goal and Yuvraj\'s goal is the same

So far, in this glitz and glamour tournament, 54 games have been played, two more to go and then the two semi-finals and, then the final. Who do you think will go to the finals? And the 1.2 million dollar question is, who will lift the IPL Cup?

Rajhastan Royals are everyone’s favourite but, favourites always disappoint in big games. The team that rose to the occasion today is, Chennai Super Kings they eliminated Mumbai Indians from the tournament after defeating the Deccan Chargers. They have a very good bowling attack comprising of Ntini, Gony, Morkel, Balaji and Muralitharan. Most people believe that a good bowling attack can restrict the opposition from posting a big total. Chennai’s batting line up is not that formidable, but when they click, they all chip in. In T20 format you don’t have to have world’s best bowlers or world’s biggest hitters. So far in the 54 games played in the IPL tournament has proved that big hitters like Symonds, Gilchrist, Gibbs, Afridi cannot win the matches. In fact Deccan Chargers have hit most sixes and most fours in this tournament than any team, yet they have remained at the bottom of the table. Like some of our bloggers rightly call them as “Dhukkans for the bottom.”

Its also been proved that neither the very cautious and traditional cricket players like, Dravid, Jaffar, Laxman, Tendulkar or, even the most promising T20 expert Misbah ul Haq had done anything significant in helping their teams win. Rajhastan with a sound leader, Shane Warne who turned out to be a great motivator changed a bunch of youngsters and won most matches to remain at the top of the table. If Rajhastan Royals wins the final, no one would be surprised. But, big games are different from the round matches, so you never know. Similarly big names in the bowling department like, Shoaib Akhtar, McGrath, Asif, Umar Gul, Shaun Pollock, Dale Styen, Murali couldn’t win matches for their teams on a consistent basis. Sohail Tanvir not so famous like others made a lasting impression with excellent figures and he is the leading wicket taker in fewer games than others.

The opening partnerships are also very crucial in posting a big total, but that is also not a guarantee to win the match, Gambhir and Sehwag have been pretty consistent but they have not been able to win most matches like Rajhastan Royals. Tendulkar joined the band wagon very late, him and Jayasuriya started off well, but they have not won all the time. If one remembers the T20 WC in SA when Chris Gayle hammered a century and the opening pair added a huge total, but then the whole team collapsed, although WI scored more than 200 runs, but lost the match to SA. So, there is no guarantee that the momentum will continue after a big partnership by the opening players..
Go Punjab Go
In case of Punjab XI they have a very balanced side and their openers and their top and middle order are more consistent than others. With all the probabilities and possibilities, with all the combinations, calculations and permutations, a team with sound players, not necessarily big names can win a big game. I would predict a final between Punjab Kings XI and Chennai Kings XI. And, my two cents are on Punjab XI because of Shaun Marsh, Luke Pomersbatch, Sangakara and Jayawardene and hopefully Yuvraj will rise to the big occasion to add a feather of arrogance in his cap, with Sreesanth and Irfan’s accurate bowling, will Punjab XI emerge as winners? Or, Dhoni’s men will defy them with their bowling attack and Dhoni himself will play a big innings. This is a question that will be answered on June 1st or may be earlier than that. What is your prediction? Who is your favourite team? And why do you rate them above others? Lets start the deliberations and continue it till Sunday.

If Punjab XI and Chennai Super Kings play the final, there will be one commonality between the two captains, they both would be after the cup, like they both were after the “Red Cherry” called Dipika Padukone. No one knows who won that race, but once they are pitched against each other in the cricket arena, the result would be known to the public.

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  1. #1 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on May 28, 2008 - 5:38 AM

    There isn’t a better time for a new thread to predict the finalist. I am for RR and I think they will win. Hopefully Graeme Smith will be fit to play for tomorrow which is not an important match for them but to keep the winning momentum in their favour they should not slack. If they loose then it will be an mental victory for the Punjab XI when they meet again in semifinals or final. Knowing Shane Warne he will not take this last round match lightly. My best wishes are for Tanvir who is the only Pakistani player who is making Pakistani supporters proud by bowling superbly and taking most wickets. So, my prediction is RR will win the final.

  2. #2 by Amit. P on May 28, 2008 - 6:18 AM

    Hi all,
    Its been quite a time since i posted anything here ….. first busy with “bharat bhraman” (not to be taken seriously) and then tragic end of MI campaign … its time for shifting loyalty though 😉 ….. Hope Delhi show daredevil act to stop invincible looking RR .. and Chennai “super kings” justify their name against Punjab Kings’ 11 …. Here i am predicting against all odds to see how unpredictable this format is.

    Btw, Nehra and Fernando showed why selectors have sidelined these “talented” guys who cant bowl normal deliveries in slog overs .. one was hell bent to drift every single delivery down the leg side and other was taking too much time and comping up with half volleys and easy picking deliveries …. not to mention that deadly wide bowl.
    Will predict the winner after semis 😉

  3. #3 by Tauqeer Malik on May 28, 2008 - 9:45 AM

    like amit p, i too was busy in some work so could not comment on this site which i have really begun to respect and admire. i dont think the hot gals page in necessary but we cant keep everyone happy i guess!

    in twenty20 cricket we cant predict who will win, my guess is the team that can keep its cool win be the ultimate winner. i dont think it will be punjab or rajasthan because punjab have slipped in those times when there is high pressure and the captain Yuvraj is also the type of player who loses his cool in pressure. rajasthan have young players who are inexperienced so i think we will start seeing them losing match in the semi. but 1 thing is certain, warne will be at his best because he has the australian mentality where the best performance comes out during difficult situations.

    Abdul,
    i can see you have become a regular LS member now. i noticed you ask people about their background and their jobs. apnay baaray mai bhi kuch batao yaar? kahan rehtay ho, kya masroofiaath hain? we dont know anything about you.

    i will not tell my age because i am quite old, haha. but i have my own business here in Lahore. i have degree in accountancy but decided to become self employed kyun kai kissi aur key liye kaam karna pasand nahi hai. in my hobbies i like reading books, watching tv and news. i also like driving.

  4. #4 by Abdul on May 28, 2008 - 10:07 AM

    Very good thread indeed. Yes, Rajishtan Royals have been outstanding throughout the competetion the players have performed consistency and the leadership and captaincy from Mr Warne has been inspirational. Meanwhile Sohail Tanvir is bowling like Wasim Akram in his prime and is now the leading wicket taker in the fascinating and glittering tournament which is something to smile about for Pakistani supporters.

    Taqueer Malik, I may be a little personal individual and I can admitt that. Nice to tell us about you and I am also hoping to graduate a career in accountancy and business and am studying those subjects currently as I said before I’m the youngest on this blog .

    Does anyone here watch the TV show the APPRENTICE. WOW what a show yesterday the contestants has to rent fast cars.

  5. #5 by Abdul on May 28, 2008 - 10:22 AM

    Theossa, I really appreciate the feedback. Now me becoming a proffesional cricketer may be an overstatement . Yes I’m young and in my teens and can take wickets at club level but eventhough a few occasionally say the wondeful statement. But I feel that my priorities are with my studies. Also very soon I will be uploading videos on youtube of my bowling and batting so u can idea of my ability and I will let u know soon as there uploaded but I’m NOT trying to exadgerate or show off. Overall, the lifestyle seems enjoyable in America and I wish u all the best.

  6. #6 by phirwohi on May 28, 2008 - 3:59 PM

    Javed bhai…after all these nail biting finishes ..i have got no nails left!!

    theossa…aapne mere dil ke baat kahi( in the previous thread )..i also have the same thoughts..like who created god? who created matter? where did the universe come from? how big it is…where did matter come from? i am sure no one will be able to answer the above..you also were absolutely right about children being brought up in different faiths..( i can faintly remember this very old song..na hindu banega na muslaman banega..insaan ki aulad hai tu insaan banega..ok enough of the heavy duty topic..)

    mumbai deserved to be out of the semis..that was some pathetic fielding!!
    yuvi pic above looks very ugly..that man looks like a leech..i now only support one team…thats who ever plays against punjab 😉

  7. #7 by theossa on May 28, 2008 - 4:16 PM

    I predict a final between Punjab and Rajasthan and Rajasthan wins the trophy. Marsh and Yuvy has just raped the weakened Rajasthan bowling attack, let’s see how Rajasthan replies.

    Abdul

    I’ll definitely watch your videos and will give my unbiased 2 cents opinion too.

    Khansahab

    The little bit of doubts I had were clear today and I can say for sure that you are 71 years old. You provided very manipulative defense of existence of God but very intelligent too. It’s hard to argue against the idea that we human have also a limited brain and just like a goat would find it very hard to understand the make up of a computer, we too can just guess wildly at God according to our limited brains but still…

    Hum ko maloom hai junnat ke haqiqat laiken
    Dil ko behlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal uchha hai

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2008 - 4:54 PM

    Is that Preity Zinta saying “Go Punjab Go?” No wonder Yuvraj is responding to that call. He is peaking at the right time and so are Punjab Kings XI. And not to forget the “Shaun-ing Star Marsh” who is in terrific form, already the holder or the keeper of that “orange cap.” I bet my two cents on Punjab lifting the IPL cup.

    I am disappointed in Shane Warne’s team selection today. He shouldn’t have rested Sohail Tanvir. Its not that he will be behind Sreesanth if he takes wickets in today’s match and surpass Tanvir’s tally. But, it is this ‘stop – start’ technique that hampers the momentum. It also dents the player’s confidence. He may have been assured that his place in the big matches is guaranteed and he along with the skipper should sit in the dugout and give others a chance. Yes, it is very kind and a very generous gesture but, its not very professional.

    The other thing is keeping Kamran Akmal in the team and that too not as a wicketkeeper but just a fielder is a kinda luxury which they cannot afford. Even more surprising is he is not opening the innings instead Nirajh Patel is opening with Kaif. I doubt the RR can win this match, Punjab has posted a daunting total and it won’t be easy for them to achieve with this batting line up. No expectations from Younus Khan he could be out on a duck, besides he is not a T20 player. All I would like to see is some real entertaining cricket from RR too.

  9. #9 by Hanumanth Rao on May 28, 2008 - 6:52 PM

    Good thread but what I don’t understand is why people don’t feel like predicting their favourite? Like amit wrote he wants predict after the semis. I guess we are not sants and bhakts to predict everything right. The avatar of this thread already been proved wrong because he predicted Punjab and Chennai final. Both are pitched against each other in the semi-final so there is no way both can come to final. Like him I predict Punjab will win the cup.
    Today’s last round match was a dress rehearsal for the final, both these teams are going to meet again in the final. Shane Warne should have thought about it and shouldn’t have experimented changes in this very important round match. It has given Punjab a boost of confidence that is needed and leaving the RR into confusion about their opening slot. Patel and kaif or kamran and patel? but may be Smith will be back for the big games so no kamran I guess?
    Delhi daredevils may not be that stiff a competition for the RR but they will be playing in Mumbai at the Wankhede stadium which favours spinners and also the sloggers as the boundaries are short and the ball will keep flying over 60 odd meters for sixes. McGrath will be hard to hit so RR will have a lot to work hard to beat the daredevils, unless tanvir sohail stops the daredevil openers from scoring big they will have an uphill task. whereas, for Punjab Kings beating the Chennai Super kings may not be that difficult especially after seeing how the punjab batsmen are playing now. I am for Punjab too.

  10. #10 by Mohammed Munir on May 28, 2008 - 6:57 PM

    The article is good, the timing is good, the points made are good, the red cherry is good … Oops, I mean Yuvraj and Dhoni competition is good 😉

    IPL seems more like an International Punjabi League (IPL). It’s a strange coincidence that all the four semifinalists (Delhi Dare Devils, Rajasthan Royals, Chenai Super Kings, and Punjab King’s XI) are having the strong Punjabi presence not only from within India but also the Pakistani Punjabis (Asif, Shoaib, Tanveer and Akmal).

    So finally we can safely conclude that Punjabis are better cricket players than Pathans 😉

    I know Awas will agree with me on this one, however, Khan Sahab and Javed Khan may agree or may agree naat.

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2008 - 7:10 PM

    Rao

    you are right about the finalists and also you are actually endorsing my point on Warney’s captaincy, its very surprising that he made these changes in team selection also, took this match lightly. Resting himself and Tanvir for what? Its a big mistake in my opinion and he has shifted the momentum from Rajhastan to Punjab. They are looking more confident now and Yuvraj played well, he is peaking up at the right time for the big matches . Younus Khan did not disappoint his Pakistani supporters, I was wrong he did not get out on zero but on 3.

    phirwohi

    tumharee horse trading di gull bhee khoob hai, “tu nahee aur sahee, aur nahee aur sahee.” Mumbai na sahee, Rajhastan hee sahee, aur koi bhee jeetay trophy tou ghar hee may rahee!

    btw, why do you call it a heavy duty topic? Especially since it concerns us – human beings. We all know that all physical laws cease at the singularity moment of the big bang. Have you ever thought of a possibility that the pre-big bang era may have been infinitely under some other law? Since you have talked about matter and creation, you must also have read that, space and time are dependent on each other, whereas, matter and energy depend on space to exist.

    We have also talked about non-existence where the sufis and the scientists have come up with a conclusion that the “non-existence of non-existence is existence.” Hence all the fundamentals of a universe have a common origin and are interdependent. So, what is the source of these fundamentals? When He created the starless sphere and it revolved, the day was not determined in it and it did not manifest itself at all. It was like the water of the jug in the river before it was in the jug. Doesn’t this ever make you feel or realize that there must be a Supreme Being who created all this? Not just matter alone, He created everything in pairs. Here is a quote from Qur’an: Of every kind He made in pairs, two and two (13:3 Qur’an)

    In scientific terms, phenomenal existence is pairing. It is a dynamic interplay of opposites. This seeming duality is the basis of our experience, right down to the opposites of electron/positron, proton/antiproton, quark/anti-quark, matter/anti-matter. We see it also in force/matter, particles/waves, motion/rest. So do you think matter may have created anti-matter or an electron may have created a positron? In the mystic terms of the Sufis, it is existence/non-existence, the First/the Last, the Inwardly Hidden/the Outwardly Manifest, darkness/light, stillness/movement.

    theossa,

    I want you to please read the “Ayat Al-Kursi” with translation and tafsir (explanation) I would like to mention here the verse and a brief explanation: “There is no God but Him, the Living, the self subsistent. Drowsiness does not seize Him nor does sleep. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. (2 : 255)”

    The Living (hayy) is the energy and the Self Subsistent (Al-Qayyum) is the field. The root from which the word Self Subsistent is derived means, standing, existing, remaining, to be built on, manage, perform, preserve. Phenomenal beings are merely meanings set up by forms. This is the basis of forms, and this field, the aspect of the Divinity called Al-Qayyum is never still. It is in constant movement; drowsiness does not touch it. It is a dynamic sea of movement.

    And, theossa If you want to read some of my notes on this subject of creation and existence of God, with scientific explanations as well as mystical Sufi narrations by well known Sufis like, Ibn-Al-Arabi, Rumi etc., please feel free to ask me and I will email you, I don’t want to stuff you that so-called “heavy duty topic,” down your throat. So, now the ball is in your court.

  12. #12 by Rehan Khan on May 28, 2008 - 10:43 PM

    You know what your site is a lot like IPL. It is exciting. Maybe even revolutionary and revolutionizing the idea of “cricket blog” on the Net. Your hot gals page is the “Cheerleaders” of your site. And I think the biggest similarity is, your site is very successful. So good work guys.

    Humanth Rao,
    I am agreeing with you on point of Punjab which i think is now the strongest team. They have experienced players who will outperform Rajasthan because Rajasthan is a young side. Plus in these competitions the leading side always chokes towards the end.

    Javed Khan.

    Agreed not a great comeback by Younus. He is a test match player, what is he doing in Twenty20? How come he has changed his mind about playing in IPL anyway? he just wanted to show PCB he is ticked off. he is a character

    Abdul,

    Your profile is becoming stronger on the site, but if you are young why do you hide your age? Young man dont feel shy, be open with us. You have your life ahead of you, this shy attitude will not help you.

    Jahahzab Khan Niazi,

    Yes Sohail Tanvir has raised our heads high in pride. He seems to be a classic Twenty20 bowler but can be good in ODI and Test cricket too. What many people have forgotten is his unique action which i think contributes 50% in his success. He is difficult to pick up, good bowler. He is hardworking type and at the moment seems to be modest, lets hope he remains like this.

  13. #13 by Awas on May 28, 2008 - 11:17 PM

    Amit P
    Welcome! Good to see you again.

    Phirwohi

    I liked that “subject Microsoft’s Memo to its Indian Staff”…LOL but I think you will like this one even better and to appreciate how smart Indians are, this is dedicated to you. Really nice one…I received from an Indian friend.

    Here is a true story about an Indian boy on his first day at school in the USA. It was the first day of school and a new student named Chandrashekhar Subramanyam entered the fourth grade. The teacher said, ‘let’s begin by reviewing some American History’.

    Who said ‘Give me Liberty, or give me Death’?
    She saw a sea of blank faces, except for Chandrashekhar,
    who had his hand-up: ‘Patrick Henry, 1775’ he said.
    ‘Very good!’ Who said ‘Government of the People, by the People,
    for the People, shall not perish from the Earth?’
    Again, no response except from Chandrashekhar.
    ‘Abraham Lincoln, 1863’ said Chandrashekhar.
    The teacher snapped at the class, ‘Class, you should be ashamed.
    Chandrashekhar, who is new to our country, knows more about its
    history than you do.’
    She heard a loud whisper: ‘F**k the Indians,’
    ‘Who said that?’ she demanded.
    Chandrashekhar put his hand up. ‘General Custer, 1862.’
    At that point, a student in the back said, ‘I’m gonna puke.’
    The teacher glares around and asks ‘All right! Now, who said that?’
    Again, Chandrashekhar says, ‘George Bush to the
    Japanese Prime Minister, 1991.’
    Now furious, another student yells, ‘Oh yeah? S*ck this!’
    Chandrashekhar jumps out of his chair waving his hand and shouts
    to the teacher, ‘Bill Clinton, to Monica Lewinsky,1997!’
    Now with almost a mob hysteria someone said
    ‘You little shit. If you say anything else, I’ll kill you.’
    Chandrashekhar frantically yells at the top of his voice,
    ‘Gary Condit to Chandra Levy, 2001.’
    The teacher fainted. And as the class gathered
    around the teacher on the floor, someone said, ‘Oh shit, we’re f**ked!’
    And Chandrashekhar said quietly, ‘George Bush, Iraq, 2005.’

  14. #14 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 29, 2008 - 12:08 AM

    amit

    by Bharat Bhraman you mean the travel, tourism and holiday package providers? Anyways how far is Hingoli from your place?

    About Nehra and Dilhara, I agree that Nehra is a highly over-rated bowler and he came into lime light after bowling that last over in Karachi’s tight ODI (about 4 years ago) when India scored 348 and Pakistan lost by 4 runs. Its just like Dhoni’s trump card, Joginder Sharma who bowled the last over in the SA T20 WC and Misbah’s folly made him a hero and Dhoni was using him in IPL for his last over until he was slogged twice for over 20 runs.

    The reason I predicted Punjab XI to win ( I may be wrong) is based on the team’s over all performance, they have very good openers, they have very good middle order, like Sangakara, they have very good all-rounders and they have good bowlers in Sree, Irfan and Chawla. In short they are a very balanced team.

    And to top it up, Shaun Marsh is in great touch so are the others like Hopes, Luke and Yuvy is peaking up at the right time. If they play with a cool head like Shaun always does, they should win. Sree should not try to be very creative like he was today and Kamran Akmal thrashed him over the fence thrice in a row.

    Whatever it is the semi between Pun & Chen should be a good even contest. I am with Punjab. They appear to be a more balanced side to me, even better than Rajhastan which is relatively a younger side. And Shane Warne after doing a great job did a poo poo today by himself not playing and also not giving Tanvir a chance, that idiot Younus Khan shouldn’t have been in the team, he is not a T20 player.

  15. #15 by khansahab on May 29, 2008 - 9:14 AM

    Rehan Khan,

    Why do we feel the need to pressurise Abdul into telling his age? Leave him alone! If he wants to hide it it’s his own wish.

    Abdul,

    No comments from you lately on LS hot gals?

  16. #16 by Abdul on May 29, 2008 - 9:39 AM

    Khansahab,yes i have been busy of late but now I’ve dropped a few comments in of the glorious award winning actress. Kareena Kapoor.

    Rehan Khan, I’m only going as far as telling u i’m in my teens and probably the youngest on the blog.

  17. #17 by Abdul on May 29, 2008 - 11:32 AM

    Now the IPL is coming to and end after a long but entertaining competetion we finally come to the knock out stages. Here are my predictions

    Chenai Super kings vs Punjab Kings-It shall be a close encounter but I predict that Punjab will win and feel they have more depth inthere side.Come on Preity’s side!

    In the other semi ……………………………………….

    Rajishtan Royals vs Delhi Daredevils- Rajishtan look like a champion side and there track record has been outstanding and I feel Warne and Tanvir will bowl them to victory. I back Rajishatan on this one.

    And looking ahead to the grand final………………..

    I think it will be Rajishtan Royals vs Punjab Kings and it will be a thrilling nail bitting match and I predict that Rajishtan Royals will overall be victorious and end up winning the IPL.

    Anyone have different views and predictions they would like to share and challenge?

  18. #18 by Abdul on May 29, 2008 - 11:37 AM

    A statement from cricinfo has come in saying that IPL performance will not influence team selection which has to be agreed by everyone as twenty twenty is an unpredictable game. But I hope they make the right decisions in order to plan efficently for future matches. I say “bring on the PAK youth”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. #19 by Awas on May 29, 2008 - 1:34 PM

    Did anyone like my above joke?

    Let’s talk about Eye PL then. Firstly, the pictures. Phirwohi, about that “leech”, although he got his bateesi out by looking smug standing alongside that ‘pretty thing’ but to me her expression is “why have I been forced to stand alongside this ugly Drake”? Compared to that ‘the woman in red’ seems happy to be with Dhoni. What a contrast the avatar of this thread has brought to light ;)-

    Javed, I notice you mentioned it was a wrong strategy of Shane to rest himself and some of his key players for the last match but the other way of looking at it is it may be a clever thinking from his part for not over exposing his best side to the same opposition that he is likely to meet later. Some team strategists do think like that. Which strategy is better, it’s difficult to say. Anyway, Shane in the best Aussi tradition lived up to their reputation of playing poorly in dead rubber matches.

    Who will win the semis and the final is difficult to predict. Every team now will fight till the bitter end. I tend to agree with Tauqeer Malik, the team that can keep its cool will be the ultimate winner. My heart goes for Rajasthan Royals but I get the feeling they and Punjab the obvious two favourites might just not be able to do it. Dilli or Madras might just pull a surprise. What was wrong with the previous names, can anyone tell me? Madras’ substitute sounds good enough but for Bangalore…that must be a joke!!!

    Mohammed Munir – On your question of which ZaatPaat is better than the other, all I say to people on this is, I can only speak for myself and yes Awas The Great is the best ;)-

    Abdul, yaar umar tau batta dau? The young ones don’t really hide it…just like khansahab and theossa didn’t. You should be proud to be young and so clever. If you feel a bit shy, you can always email me as I hope you trust me ;)-

    Today, you seemed to have “stamped your authority” really well with so many posts. Anyways, have you been living in the UK for a long time? Did you do your schooling here? How is Shakespeare coming along by the way? I never read Shakespeare you know; perhaps I was never so clever ;(-

  20. #20 by theossa on May 29, 2008 - 3:00 PM

    I think I and Abdul are on the same page for predicting the final two teams and Rajasthan lifting the trophy. “I am agree” with Awas that actually it was a good idea to hide the 8 crucial overs Punjab might face in the IPL final. Also, resting himself and Tanvir will help fight against burnout, after all you don’t wanna face rested Warne and Tanvir. If Rajasthan gets the Delhi openers in first 6 overs, they’ll prevail. Punjab seems to be the best team on papers right now but even a depleted Rajasthan fought well so it will be an open contest. I like Rajasthan being underdogs in the final and that suits them, some more fuel for Shane Warne to fire his team up.

    Javed and Khansahab, as I can only guess what was there before Big bang (still a theory) but there is nothing concrete to prove the existence of God either, just philosophies and that’s understandable and that’s why we call it ‘Faith’. One can question, who created the universe? The question comes to mind then who created the God? I can see God smiling at us. Like I said before one thinks that he is smart but we humans have limited intelligence to grasp the “singularity and infinity of God” which Khansahab and Javed explained thoroughly. I’ll admit I have a weak faith, I doubt, and I sin plenteously but I’m trying and I can’t inject faith into myself but to find it within self.

    Remove duality and do away with all disputes;
    The Hindus and Muslims are not other than He.
    Deem everyone virtuous, there are no thieves.
    For, within every body He himself resides.
    How the Trickster has put on a mask!

    Translation, Poem of Hazrat Bulleh Shah R.A.

  21. #21 by theossa on May 29, 2008 - 3:03 PM

    Awas, I liked the joke you posted, it was hilarious but I think people must understand the history of U.S. to really enjoy it. I came to know the history of U.S. just because I had to pass the citizenship test and majority of our fellow population is “Summon, Bukmun, Umyun”, when it comes to Geography and History..lol

  22. #22 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on May 29, 2008 - 9:23 PM

    Awas,

    Like theossa so aptly said, your joke was hilarios. Keep it up man, it makes our day.

    Javed A. Khan, theossa, Khansahab and Phirvohi,

    Please continue this discussion about “being” in addition to cricket since it makes this format more lively and unique and also adds knowledge to people like me who are not blessed with such extra-ordinary ability.

    As far as my prediction, I would like to see Punjab Kings 11 against Rajasthan Royals with RR winning the finals. I dont know why most of us wish RR to win? Because of Sohail “Bhai”? Anyone noticed Graem Smith referring Sohail Tanveer as Sohail “Bhai”?

  23. #23 by Awas on May 29, 2008 - 10:58 PM

    Theossa and MY Kasim

    So you liked the joke! It looks like the ones on the other side of the Atlantic, more aware of its geography and history, enjoyed it more. As not much cricket today, so lets have more of it. Hopefully these Paddy jokes, some mixed with the other subject that we are discussing that of ‘The Creator’ may get better approval. Tell me the ones you like best:
    ———————————————————
    Paddy was driving down the street in a sweat because he had an important meeting and couldn’t find a parking place. Looking up to heaven he said,
    ‘Lord take pity on me. If you find me a parking place I will go to Mass
    every Sunday for the rest of me life and give up me Irish Whiskey!’

    Miraculously, a parking place appeared.

    Paddy looked up again and said, ‘Never mind, I found one.’
    ———————————————–
    Father Murphy walks into a pub in Donegal, and says to the first man he
    meets, ‘Do you want to go to heaven?’

    The man said, ‘I do, Father.’

    The priest said, ‘Then stand over there against the wall.’

    Then the priest asked the second man, ‘Do you want to go to heaven?’

    ‘Certainly, Father,’ was the man’s reply.

    ‘Then stand over there against the wall,’ said the priest.

    Then Father Murphy walked up to O’Toole and said, ‘Do you want to go to heaven?’

    O’Toole said, ‘No, I don’t Father.’

    The priest said, ‘I don’t believe this. You mean to tell me that when
    you die you don’t want to go to heaven?’

    O’Toole said, ‘Oh, when I die, yes. I thought you were getting a group
    together to go right now.’
    ————————————————————-
    Paddy was in New York

    He was patiently waiting and watching the traffic cop on a busy street
    crossing. The cop stopped the flow of traffic and shouted, ‘Okay,
    pedestrians.’ Then he’d allow the traffic to pass.

    He’d done this several times, and Paddy still stood on the sidewalk.

    After the cop had shouted, ‘Pedestrians!’ for the tenth time, Paddy went
    over to him and said, ‘Is it not about time ye let the Catholics across?’
    ———————————————————————
    Gallagher opened the morning newspaper and was dumbfounded to read in the obituary column that he had died. He quickly phoned his best friend, Finney.

    ‘Did you see the paper?’ asked Gallagher. ‘They say I died!!’

    ‘Yes, I saw it!’ replied Finney. ‘Where are ye callin’ from?’
    ——————————————————————-
    An Irish priest is driving down to New York and gets stopped for speeding in Connecticut. The state trooper smells alcohol on the priest’s breath and then sees an empty wine bottle on the floor of the car.

    He says, ‘Sir, have you been drinking?’

    ‘Just water,’ says the priest.

    The trooper says, ‘Then why do I smell wine?’

    The priest looks at the bottle and says, ‘Good Lord! He’s done it again!’
    ————————————————————-
    Flynn staggered home very late after another evening with his drinking
    buddy, Paddy. He took off his shoes to avoid waking his wife, Mary.

    He tiptoed as quietly as he could toward the stairs leading to their
    upstairs bedroom, but misjudged the bottom step as he caught himself by grabbing the banister, his body swung around and he landed heavily on his rump. A whiskey bottle in each back pocket broke and made the landing especially painful.

    Managing not to yell, Flynn sprung up, pulled down his pants, and looked in the hall mirror to see that his butt cheeks were cut and bleeding. He managed to quietly find a full box of Band-Aids and began putting a Band-Aid as best he could on each place he saw blood.

    He then hid the now almost empty Band-Aid box and shuffled and stumbled his way to bed. In the morning, Flynn woke up with searing pain in both his head and butt and Mary staring at him from across the room.

    She said, ‘You were drunk again last night weren’t you?’

    Flynn said, ‘Why you say such a mean thing?’

    ‘Well,’ Mary said, ‘it could be the open front door, it could be the broken
    glass at the bottom of the stairs, it could be the drops of blood trailing
    through the house, it could be your bloodshot eyes, but mostly…..it’s
    all those Band-Aids stuck on the hall mirror.
    ————————————————————-

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 1:57 AM

    Taking into consideration the request made by the senior most person on this blog, Mr. M. Y. Kasim, I am writing these comments mainly for theossa.

    theossa

    I am not here to change anyone’s belief system – I don’t mean religious set of belief but, the personal belief system. I am only trying to express my thoughts which I have gathered after studying the works of various Sufis’ & Saints and of course the Qur’an, its tafseer (interpretation) by a few well known scholars. I will try to make an attempt in giving you my view which is different from your perception about the Creator, His creation of this Universe(s) and us.

    According to those well known Sufi’s one of them you have quoted by name, they all talk about the creation in something which is closer to the view that I am quoting below. Although you don’t believe in the pre-big bang era, because it is not substantiated by scientific claims, whereas, there is also no verifiable truth (in scientific terms) about the post big bang era either. As the science is progressing, scientists have started to believe certain facts that are contained in the Qura’an.

    In the picture which we have of creation which is not a scientific one but a mystical one by the well known Sufis. They say, first there was the ‘Ama’ the Great Mist or Cloud. There was no atmosphere above or below it. Then the light of His essence flowed over it and the Mist became ‘dyed’. i.e., permeated with light, this is pure source of energy. Then the forms of the Angels who wander in His love appeared in it, because He created them before us.

    These angels which are also known as Karubiyyun, Angels who are near to God whose sole function is to bask in His presence unceasingly glorifying and praising Him are in constant movement, unceasing motion. This is the nature of their energy. The beginning of creation is characterized by intense movement. The physicist view it as high energy particles and Islam views it as Angels moving frantically out of the love which they experience in the majesty of divine beauty.

    “Allah was in the Mist. There was no atmosphere above or below it.” Hence in Qura’an the emphasis is on, “He begotten not, nor was begotten.” That was the first divine manifestation. The light of the essence flowed on it as He was Manifest when He said: “Allah is the Light of the heavens and earth.” When that Mist was dyed with light, the forms of the Angels wandering in love appeared in it. This then, is the first state of creation – this constantly moving vision of energy provoked by the light of the essence. “The light of the essence is a radiant energy so intense that it can reduce mountains to dust.” (7:143 Qur’an).

    Its intensity cannot be imagined. This light created this particular type of Angel. It is pure energy in constant motion. They are invisible and cannot be seen, and neither can the particles which comprise the material world be seen. We only see their tracks in the bubble chambers. Then we come to the next stage after this initial explosion of energy:

    Then He desired to make the world of recording and writing (encoding). He specified one of those ‘Karubiyyun Angels’. That was the first Angel who appeared from the Angels of that light. He called it the intellect and the Pen. He gave it a tajalli in the manifestation of freely given instruction about what He desired to bring into existence in His creation without any specified end. By its essence, it accepted and received the knowledge of what will be and the divine names, which Allah possesses which seek to give rise to this created world. Another existent thing is derived from this Intellect. It is called the Tablet. ( I am sure you know what is Tablet? Not, the goli but, the divine destiny when God wrote down in the Preserved Tablet ( “al-Lawhu ‘l-Mahfuz” ) all that has happened and will happen, which will come to pass as written.)

    He commanded the Pen to descend to it and deposit in it all that will be until the Day of Rising. He gave this pen 360 years of the reckoning of the Pen in as much as it is the Pen, and 360 tajalli- manifestations in as much as it is the Intellect, or 360 ‘flakes’ Each year or ‘flake’ scoops out 360 types of comprehensive knowledge. They are detailed individually in the Tablet. This contains all the knowledge or sciences in the world until the Day of Rising. The Tablet knows it, since it is deposited in it by the Pen. Natural science comes from it.

    This is the patterning, the encoding, of what will occur in creation and the forms of it. An example of the manifestation of this principle of recording or encoding of things is the DNA code. According to biologists the deciphering of the DNA code has revealed our possession of a language much older than hieroglyphics, a language as old as life itself, a language that is the most living of all.

    Things are predetermined. They are mapped out as they manifest themselves in their encoded structure. All of this occurs in the world of pure light, pure energy. “Then He brought into existence the pure darkness which is opposite the light. This is the pure non-existence is opposite to pure existence.” This is like matter and anti-matter. The particles of matter and anti-matter are the same except they are opposite in electric charge or spin.

    I have quoted Ibn-al-Arabi in my previous comments, he said, “the non – existence of non-existence is existence. Its like a double negative is a positive. This gives us the explanation for why the universe is basically matter and not anti-matter. In laboratory experiments, we find that energy converts into equal parts matter and anti-matter. This, as we shall see, is due to the fact that things are made from mixed light, not the pure light, which was the source of creation.

    When He brought it into existence, He made the light flow onto it with the overflowing of essence. Nature helped. The rays of that light shone and glimmered, the body which is called the “Throne” appeared. Then the name of the Merciful settled on the Throne by the name of Outwardly Manifest. That was the first that appeared in the world of creation. From that mixed light which is like the light of pre-dawn, He created the angels who encircle the Throne. Then He brought the “Footstool” into existence inside this Throne and placed angels in it from its own nature. It is the same with the elements and what is created from them. This brings us to the actual basis of the existence of the apparent material world. This mixed light is matter/anti-matter and it is the basis of this existence.

    You must have read Surah Al-Noor, The Light. I will write about it separately because, this comment is getting too long.

  25. #25 by Hanumath Rao on May 30, 2008 - 2:34 AM

    Awas

    Good jokes, I like them. Its good to see a lot of variety in the discussion here other than cricket. At times I am surprised as to how come you guys talk about cricket and then at the same time you talk about hot gals and cool cars, crack jokes and then suddenly talk about serious stuff like creation and matter, energy etc. I agree with M. Y. Kasim’s suggestion that this kind of discussion should not stop, may be some people may not like it but, I am one of those who would like to see a mix of everything as it gives us an opportunity to learn something new. On cricket, I am waiting for the Rajhastan / Delhi match although Sehwag hinted that he wants to bowl first, but you mark my word if he wins the toss he will bat first, because Wankhede Stadium is a small ground and they want to post a big total by hitting sixes. Other than McGrath there is no one else who can be a threat for the RR players. So, they will opt for batting first. I may be wrong but this is my gut feeling. If, Sehwag and Gambhir goes off and give Delhi a good start, RR will struggle. The only hope is from Yousuf Pathan’s big hitting. And Warne should promote Sohail Tanvir in batting order. He should send him to open the innings with Yousuf Pathan. If Graeme Smith is not fully fit there is no point in playing him, Kamran Akmal seems to be getting back into good form and rythm and played well in the last 2 games.

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 3:17 AM

    theossa

    I am not trying to get on to your back 🙂 but, as promised I am writing this last bit on the same subject which phirwohi calls it “heavy-duty.” You don’t have to reply, i.e., if you don’t want to. Like, I said, I am not here to change or convince anyone by using Dr. Edward De Bono’s provocation “I am right, you are wrong.” No sir, thats not the intention. Its simply sharing of thoughts and views.

    A lot of people have translated the Qur’an and the detailed explanation of all the Surahs is based on their knowledge and background. Below is a quote from surah Noor and the explanation is by Aisha Abdurrahman at Tarjumana Bewley, wife of Dr. Abdul Haq Bewley. Both are British and live in the U.K.

    Aisha’s knowledge is not merely academic theory and learning by rote. For more than twenty-five years she has been concerned with making the contents of many classical works in Arabic more accessible to English speaking readers. She is an Astro-Physicist based in the U.K.

    You can order her books from Amazon.com i.e., if you are interested. I am sure you must be very interested in Ibne-Arabi’s ‘The Tree of Being’ by Tosun Bayra and “Bustan ul Arifeen” or, The Garden of the Gnostics” by Nawawi.

    Anyways, first I want to continue about the Surah Al-Noor and then the tafsir.

    “Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The likeness of His light is a niche wherein is a lamp, the lamp in a glass, the glass as if it were a glittering star, kindled from a blessed tree, an olive which is neither of the East nor the West whose oil would practically shine even if no fire touched it. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whomever He will” (24:35) Sura Al- Noor.

    Please note this Tafsir (explanation) is very different from the explanations of Abdullah Yousuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthal, Shareef and others. This is the interpretation by an Astro-Physicist.

    “The oil must be the photons which do not divide into particle/anti-particle (East/West). When two electrons come near each other, one of them gives off a photon which is absorbed by the other electron. The two electrons have not touched, but the unit of electromagnetic energy is produced. Fire has not touched it. The interconnectedness of the reactions in the electromagnetic field is described by the picture of the lamp in the niche and the lamp in the glass.”

    There are also some oaths at the beginning of some of the earlier Suras of the Qur’an which seem to give a ravishing description of the activity of the subatomic world. (This is, of course only one level of the many levels which exist in every verse of the Quran). Allah says: “By the scatters scattering, by those carrying a heavy burden, by those running and flowing easily, by those who subdivide a matter” (Quran 51)

    Surely one aspect of these verses is the description of the subatomic world. First we have the particles scattering and meeting and the cascade of collision and decay which arises as cosmic rays and other particles hit the earth’s atmosphere. This is true of high-energy collisions, but it is also true of the photo-electric effect when the photons of ultra-violet light knock electrons out of metal surfaces. Those carrying a heavy burden are the nuclear particles with their incredible mass. Almost the entire mass of the atom is condensed in the nucleus and it is fantastically dense. The photons run easily being light, and high energy particles subdivide others.

    Again Allah says:

    “By the released ones in succession, then raging violently, and those who scatter in open propagation, and by those who split into parts, and by those casting a reminder in excuse or warning.” (Quran 77)

    Again; we have a picture of the activity of the sub-atomic world. Particles released in strong nuclear interactions have tremendous energy. Particles scatter in open propagation as they form their cascade of increasing secondary particles, and some of the split up.

    Again He says: “By those who extract completely, by those who move briskly, by those who swim along and float, by those who go ahead suddenly, by those who manage an affair”. (Quran 79)

    So we have a whole range of the types of interacting forces. Furthermore, Allah speaks of ‘heavens with all its tracks’ (Quran 51) This is like the picture of the activity of the patterns of behavior in the interaction of these particles. All we see are their tracks, their traces, their effects.

    Fritjot Capra (read his book, interpretation of the myth comparing it to the dance of atoms by Capra 1989) says: ‘Subatomic particles are dynamic patterns which have a space aspect and a time aspect.” This is mass and energy. There is no real substance to speak about. It is only illusory. This is because we think of and experience matter as being three dimensional. However, forms are really standing waves, so what we think that we see as solid is not really solid. It is basically space. In the theory of relativity, space is a four-dimensional continuum. The fourth dimension is space-time. It is also four dimensional in Islam.

    A key passage regarding this subject is in the ‘Surah The Cow’ or Sura-Al Baqra. You may read it yourself instead of me quoting it, here is the ref.Surah Al Baqra 2:259-260. If you read the Tafsir you will note that, HE is showing us the relativity of the experience of time which is based on the observer. HE is also showing us that the nature of things is four-dimensional.

    The scientists say: “The Universe is expanding” The Qura’n confirms…”He increases, creation as He wills (35:1)”

    The scientists say: “Like the Big Bang there will be a Big Crunch.”

    The Quran confirms: Upon the day when heaven spins dizzily and the mountains are in motion (52:9-10) When the stars shall be utterly extinguished and obliterated, when the heaven shall be split, when the mountains shall be scattered (77:8-10) When the sun shall be darkened, when the stars shall be thrown down, when the mountains shall be set moving. (81:1-3)

    This is the picture of the Last Day when all is obliterated. Then Allah will bring everyone back at the Gathering. He will recreate everyone, as the black hole is finally an emitter of endless energy in the form of gamma rays.

    Tawhid (unification) is the singularity. All vanishes into that singularity, and at that point, all becomes one. Unity is total, like a vast ocean. Like the Parvana (moth) going around the flame (Shama) of the candle and when you enter the flame, you are the flame and your identity vanishes. Don’t start singing Kishore Kumar’s song: “Shama Kahay Parvanay say paray chalaa jaa, meri terha jal jaiye ga yahaan nahee aaa!”

    So my dear, the singularity remains, and it is something which cannot be viewed from the outside. It is only when you pass the event – horizon and enter it, that it becomes perceivable. Then you are it, so what is there to perceive? Who remains who is perceiving?

  27. #27 by Abdul on May 30, 2008 - 8:36 AM

    The semi final is just hours away as the unbeaten Rajishtan Royals take on Delhi Daredevils who just sneaked through with 15 points to gain the 4th semi fainl spot. As said I back Rajishtan all the way and in particular back players like Tanvir and Warne to perform to meet my earlier prediction. Only two Pakistanis are set to feature which are Tanvir and Asif but u can’t blame captains for not giving the likes of Malik chances as there performance throughout the group stages has been below par.

    Vinder Sewhag said :”I have seen in previous matches that the ball does a bit in the first half of the match and in the second half batting is easier. Both teams have good bowlers and shot selection is important.”
    Sehwag hints he might prefer to chase at the Wankhede.

    Meanwhile Warne felt his side deserved a home tie in semis for there track record in the group satges and wants this to be taken in by the administartors to improve the IPL. I aslo recommend a shorter competetion to increase the intensity.

    Awas, yes I’m schooling in the Uk and Shakespare is only one of the minor modules of English I study as well as other academic subjects like mathematics,business and history.I am looking to graduate to a career in accountancy and would like some advice via email please.

    I also think its great to be discussing a wide variety of topics with cricket as our main feauture but also comments on hot cars and gals, essentail Islamic info etc.

    GTG, i will be back later for the game. Get training Rajishtan Royals !

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 12:43 PM

    Rao

    Your predictions about Wankhede ground is right, its a small ground and Sehwag as well as Gambhir can get away in the first 6 overs and if they give Delhi a flying start, the RR will have to depend entirely on Yousuf Pathan and Shane Watson and of course Tanvir for his bowling. Shane Warne could be expensive on this ground. Traditionally he has not done much against left hand batsmen. Gambhir could be dangerous if he stays there for the first 10-12 overs.

    abdul

    Yes, India has announced their 15 member squad for the tri-series and Asia Cup and its good to see they have included Yousuf Pathan and excluded some of the big guns like Tendulkar, Ganguly etc. Pakistan on the other hand would have followed this, based on the performance of their players in the IPL, BUT, because the skipper is at the bottom of that hole of under achievers or non performers they have announced that they will not take this IPL performance as a tool to measure performance for selection in the tri-series and Asia Cup. Yet, I think that Younus Khan and Asif must remain out. The later on his fitness and YK should only play test matches.

    This could be discussed later, but right now we have a match on hand and everyone wants RR to win and for that RR will have to really work hard. I don’t agree with this logic of Shane Warne, that giving himself and Tanvir some rest and preserving their energies before a big game was a good idea, which theossa and someone else echoed his views. This is not a test match or even a one day game, its only a matter of 4 overs and you don’t get burned out if you have bowled only 4 overs. Tanvir is not Shoaib Actor who gets huffed and puffed up from the second over and done after 4.

    Had they beaten Punjab in the round match, the momentum wouldn’t have shifted in Punjab’s favour and they shouldn’t have given the confidence to them on a silver platter. Shaun Marsh has a very cool head on his shoulders unlike Yuvraj and he has been consistent with the bat, but the irony for RR is even Yuvraj is in good nick now and he is peaking at the right time.

    Some people believe that, a winning streak once disturbed gets totally out of control and its hard to get it back in that winning momentum again. This decision was like a typical Pakistani Selector isshhtyle, i.e., when they try to act like a big brother, chalo ab tou we are on top of the table, isko rest dou usko khilao. Generosity and Charity should not be mixed with Professionalism. As a professional you must have a killing instinct and give him time to breathe, then he will get back at you hard and you are gone! Therefore, as the expression goes, never under-estimate your opponent, no matter how weak he may appear.

    Anyways, only time will tell who is right or who is wrong, but irrespective of whatever the outcome of these next 3 matches would be, in my opinion it was a mistake on part of Shane Warne. If he wins, everyone would be ignoring it or saying, he did a great job, he is an excellent captain who was able to use his resources so well. If he fails, I am not going to say, ” I told you so.” Because, like most people I want RR to win, not because of Tanvir alone, but its a young side and they have really played well under Warne’s captaincy.

  29. #29 by theossa on May 30, 2008 - 2:15 PM

    Javed, it was a long tournament and when you consider the practice days I think it was a good idea to rest the key Rajasthan players. Also, Punjab players did not play Tanvir that often so he’ll be a hard bowler to adjust to if Punjab and Rajasthan makes it to the final. Delhi-Rajasthan semi fianl is about to begin in 15 minutes, Rajasthan is batting first and I predict Rajasthan wins. You go Warne.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 2:29 PM

    thoessa

    3 more to go, including this one. Rajhastan will start batting in a few minutes. The surprise package is Mohammad Asif, yesterday he was injured today he is fit? Its like that “now you see him, now you don’t” joke.

    And your predictions often go wrong so you should have hoped for the opposite. Thats called reverse psychology or whatever. Watching Billy Bowden’s antics on the field would be fun and he is out with Rudy. Will write laterzzz bye.

  31. #31 by theossa on May 30, 2008 - 2:39 PM

    Javed, you put a lot of effort into your posts about divine and you wrote with passion which says a lot about your love of the subject. Most of my opinions are based on observation and logic and little study or research. I’m really not into books. In the last 12 years I just read one book. I even try to avoid reading the news except for sports and technology news. In my opinion, Arabic is a complex language and one can interpret a verse or word with different possible meanings. So as science continues to discover about nature, universe, and the engine that drives it, we try to imply that knowledge to Holy Books, not just Quran but other major religions also just to show that we are compatible with science. I personally feel these books were written for showing human a way to live the life and moral purposes and knowledge like science was not the purpose. I did not find single religious book which talks about the pre-human existence of creatures, dinosaurs for example and it seems all religions were completely unaware of that. A major religion even believes this universe is just 6000 years old! If I’m not wrong the age of Planet Earth is “estimated” to be 4.5 billions years. Yes, this dating is a wild guess with best available knowledge but we can accurately date a fossil back up to 60,000 years using Carbon dating method. So according to science men just entered the show and the only link that is preventing all religions to vanish completely is lack of establishing a clear and proven link between apes and humans. Science looks for evidence, their motto is, “Prove It”. Is it possible in near future we establish that link? There are some prominent fossils like that of “Lucy” that raise some good questions. Evolution came a long way since Charles Darwin wrote his remarkable book about the origin of species. I see here in U.S. that some religious people try to “heal” others and I never saw them “healing” an amputee, so if as God does not like those particular folks, LOL. I don’t want to discuss it further here because I don’t really know and I thank you guys for guiding me with your alternate opinions. That makes me think more balanced.

  32. #32 by Abdul on May 30, 2008 - 2:48 PM

    Well it’s delhi in the field and a steady start from both sides as its 7-0 after2. I can feel that this ios going to be a thriller.160 looks a decent score for RR

  33. #33 by Awas on May 30, 2008 - 2:59 PM

    Theossa/Javed

    What I originally said on “tactics” of Shane Warne was that “the other way of looking at it is it may be a clever thinking from his part for not over exposing his best side to the same opposition that he is likely to meet later. Some team strategists do think like that. Which strategy is better, it’s difficult to say”.

    Thoessa acquiesced to the alternative idea too. It was more this than the burn out problem which you rightly said shouldn’t be an issue in such a short game. Even then Smith looked completed nakard and dehydrated in the previous game and looked as though he needed a well earned rest which indeed he was given.

    Javed, your different view is quite understandable too and not wrong, we were not being dismissive of that at all. Furthermore, as I said, Shane in the best Aussi tradition lived up to their reputation of playing poorly in dead rubber matches but then in important matched like finals they do tend to come back hard.

    On your mention of “this decision was like a typical Pakistani Selector isshhtyle”…quite right there…LOL. But then we were the ones rightly complaining that after they won the series comfortably against Bangla and Zimbabwe, they should have given exposure to the new inductors who were left warming the benches all the way.

  34. #34 by Abdul on May 30, 2008 - 3:15 PM

    65-2 of 7 what a flyer from RR and what an over from Mahroof which dismissed both openers. Good tatical move from Warne to promote Tanvir up the order.We excepect some fireworks now.

  35. #35 by Abdul on May 30, 2008 - 3:23 PM

    Tanvir dismissed . Mahroof on fire !. What a game we’ve got on our hands.

  36. #36 by theossa on May 30, 2008 - 4:20 PM

    A fighting total of 192 posted by Rajasthan but as you guys mentioned earlier a short boundary and good batting condition can take this match to the wire. Great last over by Asif, good mix of Yorkers and short balls and did he finally learn how to bowl Yorkers? Good for us. Good nocks by Asnodkar, Pathan and Watson. It all depends now whether Tanvir and company can tame the lethal opening pair of Delhi or get swallowed. We’ll see in 15 minutes.

    Awas, great jokes, I loved the one with priest in the bar and finding parking one, decent and funny. Keep posting. Chow.

  37. #37 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 4:42 PM

    Yes, I agree that 192 is a fighting score and the match could go down to the wire, an exciting finish is expected. But, the magical figure of 200 wasn’t achieved and that would give Sehwag & Co. to think they can achieve it provided, they go wild, Oh…………….. there he goes, Sehwag is OUT. What a catch by Tanvir, ran almost 30 meters to take a running catch.

    I think playing injured Smith in this match was a big risk anyways the opening stand still gave RR a good start. What I fail to understand is how they allowed him a runner? Imran Nazir was denied in the WC and Younus Khan made him run for a cheeky single which wasn’t necessary, only to send him back to the pavilion, run out.

    If Delhi wins, Asif’s place will be guaranteed for the last over he bowled today. Sehwag was very happy with him in the end, earlier he was seen very nervous when McGrath was thrashed by Yousuf Pathan. Lets see how Tanvir will bowl his second over now. His first cost 8 runs and he was noton the target, even bowled wide balls. I will get back to you guys after seeing this match. theossa, hold your horses on both accounts, prediction (perhaps you will be right on that) and creation I doubt, I have read a lot of Darwin’s work and even those who support him. We will talk about it laterzzzz.

  38. #38 by theossa on May 30, 2008 - 4:57 PM

    Javed, like I said I don’t want to discuss “Creation” further here. But I’ll really appreciate if you could email me any content you have on Mystic Islam, which can get me the salvation I desire. I read all the posts of yours and mine on creation again and I felt like I was the devil and you were the angel. I don’t want to piss God by denying him. He could have a worse temper than my Pathan Dad…LOL

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 5:00 PM

    The match is ONE SIDED now, all the probabilities and possibilities, the calculations, the permutations and combinations were based on “IF’s & BUTs” and they were on Gambhir and Sehwag’s opening contribution. Both of them gone, even the hard hitter Shikar (Manjhi Kithay) Dhawan also gone 27/3 and a huge total in front of Delhi makes them think “Dilli Dooor Ast”

    Tanvir hasn’t been able to get any wickets in his first spell like he has done so far in this tournament and that is my point. But, RR are lucky that Shane Watson’s bowling is also clicking and he got all 3 wickets. The good thing is RR’s fielding. Even Munna Bhai Patel is also bowling economically today andddddddddddddddddd he got a wicket 28/4.

  40. #40 by Awas on May 30, 2008 - 5:06 PM

    Theossa

    LOL @ “I don’t want to piss God by denying him. He could have a worse temper than my Pathan Dad…LOL”. This is better than my jokes…I loved it the way you said it. But please do piss anyone off you like as it looks that your prediction is coming true…another Shane is on a roll ;)-

    You seem to be the only one who reads it all (like me). I asked all which ones you like and you mentioned it. My favourite was the pub joke too and the last one. More laters.

    I don’t see RR losing now…even the impossible cant happen here.

  41. #41 by theossa on May 30, 2008 - 5:14 PM

    Javed you wrote, “But, RR are lucky that Shane Watson’s bowling is also clicking and he got all 3 wickets”. As Awas desired or perhaps was shooting a rifle resting on my shoulder can I rub salt on you? Here what I say in reply and I’m just trying to let your Pathan spirit free and furious. Javed, don’t mix SKILL with the LUCK..LOL

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 5:26 PM

    Mohammad Kaif gave a timely slap on Arun Lal’s face when the later was asking Nirajh Patel about Kaif’s role in the team. That was a very sinister kinda comment because we all know that Kaif hasn’t scored that well so far except for a couple of good knocks, whereas, Nirajh Patel who was instrumental in the previous win for RR along with another youngster. So, he thought of asking him that question in a very indirect way about he feels being left out and what is Kaif’s role and that very moment, Kaif took a brilliant catch of Karthik and blushing Lal said, ‘oh now we know what is Kaif’s role in the team.’

    theossa

    I never said I am not favouring RR. I have said, everyone is favouring RR and me 2 I am supporting them not just because of Tanvir but because the team is young and under Shane Warne’s captaincy they are playing well.

    As regards Shane Watson’s bowling, my comment was based on his previous bowling performance where he gave away too many runs, do you remember that? I have never doubted about his all-round performance. And today, by scoring a 50 and taking 3 wickets, he has proved to be the only one in this IPL tournament so far to achieve this unique feat.

    What I predicted was not different from others, i.e., it will be a nail biting thriller but thats not going to happen with Delhi on 69/5 in 12 overs. The asking rate is mounting up like K-2.

  43. #43 by Awas on May 30, 2008 - 5:35 PM

    Did anyone realise why I highlighted “pedestrian”? The paddy had misunderstood it as Presbyterian.

    As I said above “Aussis………but then in important matched like finals they do tend to come back hard”. So one Shane in his all round performance in the crunch match and the other as a captain have both excelled.

  44. #44 by theossa on May 30, 2008 - 5:40 PM

    Awas, I gave a try to piss Javed off but it seems Pathan kept his composure. I was expecting a rush of blood like Afridi. Never the less a good try. That aside, the rested players of R.R. have performed reasonably well. This game is not even close to any contest, I guess if Delhi had opted to bat first we could have more excitement.

    I did not get the pedestrians and Catholics joke. Is Pedestrians mean soemthing else in U.K.?

  45. #45 by theossa on May 30, 2008 - 5:41 PM

    Oh you just answered my question about the Pedestrians joke.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 5:41 PM

    Something urgent has come up and I have to dash out, besides I am not going to miss much, the match seems to be over as they are 80/8 and thats going to be a big margin win for RR. However, I will miss your comments here but, they aren’t gonna go anywhere, so when I will be back I will respond, so theossa, awas et all keep writing……… where is phirwohi?

    take care

  47. #47 by Awas on May 30, 2008 - 5:43 PM

    Theossa, you seem to have misread the other word I mentioned “Presbyterian”. I am sure you know!

  48. #48 by Awas on May 30, 2008 - 5:51 PM

    Yeah, “where is phirwohi?” That’s what I would like to know too. I hope you are ok!

    For those who like cricket and humor, here are some real sledging incidents. Tell me your favourites. If sledging is that good then they should let us hear it.

    1) Rodney Marsh (Australia) and Ian Botham (England)
    Rodney Marsh to Ian Botham in an Ashes match: “So how’s your wife and my kids?” Ian Botham’s reply – “The wife’s fine. The kids are retarded!”

    2) Javed Miandad (Pakistan) and Merv Hughes (Australia)
    Javed Miandad called Hughes a fat bus conductor during a match. A few balls later, Hughes dismissed Miandad. “Tickets please,” said Hughes, as he ran past the departing batsman.

    3) Glenn McGrath (Australia) and Ramnaresh Sarwan (West Indies)
    McGrath to Ramnaresh Sarwan: “So what does Brian Lara’s di*k taste like?”Sarwan: “I don’t know. Ask your wife.
    McGrath (lost his cool): “If you ever F**king mention my wife again, I’ll F**king rip your F**ing throat out.”

    4) Douglas Jardine (England) and Bill Woodford (Australia)
    England player Jardine complained that one of the Australian players called him a bastard. Australian captain Bill Woodford turns to his team, points to Jardine and asked “Which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?”

    5) Mark Waugh (Australia) and Adam Parore (New Zealand)
    Mark Waugh standing at second slip, Adam Parore played & missed the first ball. Mark – “Ohh, I remember you from a couple years ago in Australia. You were shit then, you’re fucking useless now”. Parore- (Turning around) “Yeah, that’s me & when I was there you were going out with that old, ugly slut & now I hear you’ve married her. You dumb fuck”.

    6) Steve Waugh (Australia) and Parthiv Patel (India)
    When Steve came (Steve’s last test match) to bat, Parthiv said, “Come on, just one more of the famous slog-sweeps before you finish” Steve-”Respect Me…for when I made my test debut You were still in your nappies”.

    7) Glen McGrath (Australia) and Eddo Brandes (Zimbabwe)
    Aussie paceman Glenn McGrath was bowling to Zimbabwe number 11 Eddo Brandes – who was just missing each ball. McGrath, frustrated, went to him and inquired: “Why are you so fat?” Quick as a flash, Brandes replied, “Because every time I make love to your wife, she gives me a biscuit.”

    8 Ravi Shastri (India) and Mike Whitney (Australia)
    Shastri hits the ball towards Mike Whitney (the 12th man in the game) and looked for a single. Whitney said, “If you leave the crease I’ll break your f***ing head”. Without battling an eyelid, Shastri retorted, “If you could bat as well as you can talk you wouldn’t be the f***ing 12th man”.

    9) Sunil Gavaskar (India) and Viv Richards (West Indies)
    To ease the pressure on himself, Sunil Gavaskar had decided to come lower down the order and bat at No 4 for that particular match. But, Malcolm Marshall fired out Anshuman Gaekwad and Dilip Vengsarkar for ducks, setting the stage for Gavaskar to walk in at 0/2. Viv Richards said “Man, it don’t matter where you come in to bat, the score is still zero.”

    10) Viv Richards (West Indies) and Merv Hughes (Australia)
    Viv Richards hit Merv Hughes for four consecutive boundaries in one over. Merv stops halfway down the pitch, farted loudly, and said to Viv: “let’s see you hit that to the boundary!” Viv was dumb-founded.

  49. #49 by theossa on May 30, 2008 - 6:14 PM

    Awas, I believe a month or so ago, a guy named “Sledger” posted this on one of the Legslip blogs. Always fun to read anyway. I’m about to leave for home and won’t be able to comment here for the semi final and final but I already gave my prediction so you guys know. Have a nice weekend.

  50. #50 by Abdul on May 30, 2008 - 6:16 PM

    lOL Rajishtan were aboslutley ruthless in a massive victory of over 100 runs to book there place in the grand final. Shane Watson and Yusuf Pathan smashed the ball out of the park as Delhi posted a high score of 180. Shane Watson also was amongst the wickets but suprisingly Tanvir was wicketless.And once again Warne’s captaincy was motivative and admirable. So with that commanding and comprehensive victory Rajishtan Royals cotinue there dominant form in the tournament and march into the final as I predicted.

    Now who will win the Other semi? I’m firmly with Punjab as said before. Key players I’m backing are Yuvraj Singh, James Hopes and Piyush Chawla to make my prediction right. However, I agree that Chenai have a stronger bowling attack and this semi final shall be a lot closer than the other one.

  51. #51 by hamza on May 30, 2008 - 9:04 PM

    looks like it will be a rajasthan royals vs kings punjab final. i think kings team will sweep chennai aside.
    i am making a little prediction here, looks like shane watson may be player of the tournament, sohail tanvir may be the bowler of the series and shaun marsh is my batsman of the series. i dont know if these awards will be given, they probably will.
    i just get a little feeling rajasthan royals will be the winners of the IPL 2008.

    nice end to IPL, hope next IPL will have teams from lahore, karachi, and other places around the world too.

  52. #52 by Awas on May 30, 2008 - 9:40 PM

    I was watching the highlights of the today’s match and was really impressed with Shane Warne’s intensity on the field. How he marshalled his troops was amazing. The commentary team was showing the survey that he was voted by 81% of viewers that he is the best captain of the IPL teams. There seems to be no doubt about it.

    Only Pakistanis seems to have tendency to get out in some inexplicable way. Asif got out when he was aimlessly ambling outside the crease and not looking that the fielder at long on was still fielding the ball and going to throw it back to the keeper. When the keeper got the ball in his hands, he quite easily ran him out and for a moment the ‘sleepy head’ didn’t even realise that he got out.

  53. #53 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2008 - 10:05 PM

    After attending something urgent, I am back after about 4 hours and it appears that all is quiet on the “Eastern” front. You guys must be slumbering by now. Anyways, this first semi-final was almost over when I left and nothing much happened, RR’s victory over Delhi was a resounding one.

    My point about giving Sohail Tanvir a rest was based on my assessment about how players in general perform when they are made to sit out after a good performance. For a fast bowler especially, their rhyme and rhythm gets upset if you detach them from the playing XI. Even the batsmen also go through the same thing if they are in and out for one bad performance. Or, they are replaced to experiment with someone else or give a chance to someone else.

    One might argue Shane Warne bowled better this time after a rest. Yes, he did, Shane Warne is a very different player, he is one of his kind, he came out of retirement and lead a young team and from no where his team is in the final. RR might even win this tournament. But, young players don’t have the same kinda ability and experience like Warne has, so 9 out of 10 times this happens. Even Warne realized this and he did not use Tanvir after 2 overs. And he continued because the pitch was helping him with big turns. The very first ball he bowled was a zooter, that went past Dilshan Tilakharatne, he only watched it from left to right and the ball went like a spinning rocket into the hands of the keeper.

    Graeme Smith was injured hence resting him was justified but playing him in a big match when he is not fully fit is a very poor decision. Kamran Akmal should have been in the side, perhaps they might do that in the final, unless Smithy insists he is fit. But, his words alone should not be taken for granted. Initially he was struggling today 5 runs in 14 balls and then he decided to go aggressively but that did not last long. J ust 25 runs to his name, from a class batsman like him, is not anyone would expect from him.

    Thanks to little Asnodkar for his breezy 39. Had Maharoof held that simple catch in McGrath’s first over RR would have gone defensive and the result may have been different. So Maharoof’s 3 wickets for 34 runs don’t justify that dropped catch, it was a sitter. Asnodkar reminds me of WI’s Guss Logie.
    Kamran Akmal if he opens the innings with Asnodkar could be devastating against Sreesanth, he has this affinity towards him and both “chhowtooz” will go after him.

    Hamza

    I quite agree with you on the subject of choosing best batsman, best bowler and best all-rounder. Definitely Shaun Marsh, Sohail Tanvir and Shane Watson deserve those awards if they have to give. Even if RR fails, I would still rate Shane Warne as the best captain of this tournament. Punjab XI are favourites for tomorrow’s match, but cricket is a funny game. So, lets see what happens tomorrow.

  54. #54 by Tauqeer Malik on May 31, 2008 - 2:58 PM

    The final of DLF Indian Premier League 2008 which be played by Rajasthan team and Chennai team. I think all over for Punjab.

  55. #55 by Tauqeer Malik on May 31, 2008 - 3:04 PM

    my god the last comment of mine was almost updated instantly. is any moderator live now? i think chennai may even win the IPL. lets see

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 31, 2008 - 3:12 PM

    Panic in Punjab

    We all were expecting Punjab to excel in the batting department and stamp their authority from the outset. But, the avatar of the blog pointed out in this thread that, “Chennai has a very good bowling attack in Ntini, Goni, Morkel, Balaji and Murali” and they are delivering the goods today.

    With 11/2 when Yuvraj came into bat, not much was expected from him in a situation like this, because he is a hot headed hitter, he is a more confident player when there is a good platform laid by the openers and top order and he did not disappoint. Somehow Shaun Marsh was also riding on his luck against Ntini, first that top edge six behind the keeper and then in the next over another inside edge for a four both were very close.

    Actually Goni’s figures at the moment are much better than Ntini and I am surprised that in the tri-series starting June 08, 2008 Goni’s name is not in the 15 man squad. I would have dropped Praveen Kumar and taken Goni in the team.

    Tauqeer Malik you are right from now onwards everything seems to be going in favour of Chennai. Unless Punjab bowls extremely well and Chennai makes some real stupid mistakes the result is obvious. But, like I said in my previous post, “Punjab XI are favourites for tomorrow’s match, but cricket is a funny game. So, lets see what happens tomorrow.” You still don’t know till the match is over.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 31, 2008 - 3:49 PM

    With Punjab now 45/6 in 10 overs the Chennai bowlers must be yelling and screaming in joy with words like, “Bundalo Tarzan, Ungawa & “Kreegah !” The sounds of boom, baaff and wroom are echoing in the Wankhede stadium.

    Talking of Tarzan, I must write something here about the character “TARZAN” a British gentleman, “buck- ass” naked in the jungles of Africa with an educated and civilized woman called JANE, she was so taken by this “man-child” that she would give her back to everything European as she walked into the primeval foliage of her nature boy’s world.

    The funny thing is, recently I found some of Tarzan’s comics at my uncle’s house and read a few of them. Prior to this I have seen their cartoon images on the public toilets of London zoo and a few public gardens and even at the toilet doors of some of the resort hotels. Some people say the character of Tarzan is kinda racist ubermensch, and a naive rousseauian fantasy, the original wigger, a product of American Anglophilia, or just a big white ape?

    Tarzan movies and comics are a fantasy and this match at the Wankhede stadium is like a dream or a fantasy that comes true for the Chennai Kings XI. Whereas, its a reality for Punjab that they are going down the drain so easily. The only good thing that they could cling on to from now onwards is, they are going down with Preity Zinta-Bad. Or, has anyone have any hopes that Zinta’s Junta would bounce back? I doubt so. Whatever one may say, I would say what an anticlimax these 2 semi finals are proving to be. J’espère, (I hope) the final will not be like this.

  58. #58 by Chaudhary Asaf Raza on May 31, 2008 - 5:17 PM

    i spoke to my friend 2 days ago we chatted regarding the IPL. this after noon i phoned him and asked, did i not said it the punjab team would lose the nerves? well today i come on this site, and IPL discussion is very active. i knew punjab team is going to be loss, as their is lac of mental strength in this team. people on this site is making the prediction about who will win.

    hamza, you dont have to be genius person to predict the award winner in IPL.

  59. #59 by Awas on May 31, 2008 - 6:08 PM

    This semi ended up in similar fashion to the first one but in reverse gear. I guess this should put a smile on phirwohi’s face to see ‘ugly Drake’ and his team getting knocked out quite comprehensively. I feel sorry for that pretty girl ‘Ginta’.

    Lets see what tomorrow brings but I don’t remember seeing such one sided semis.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 31, 2008 - 7:41 PM

    Awas

    The Arrogant Singh could not swallow the defeat even with a spoon full of sugar, which was obvious from his face, as he wasn’t expecting a three in a row from Chennai. They lost to Chennai at home, away and at a neutral venue.

    The final is at Dr. DIY Patil Sports Academy, Mumbai which is bigger than Wankhede and its nearer to phirwohi’s place ? Its a bigger ground and a bigger stadium, hitting sixes will not be that easy I guess!

    RR must be roaring to go against Chennai, perhaps Punjab would have given them a tough time had they won today’s semi. Therefore, RR are still favourites and if they win the toss they should bat first and go in a very unconventional manner, attacking Ntini from the outset, because Ntini if he gets a wicket in his first 2 overs he bowls his second spell better, if he is thrashed then his second spell is not that good. Goni is very unassuming and they have to be cautious against him. If the openers stay there till the power play, batting would be easy after that.

    I don’t think it was a bad ploy on part of Warne to send Tanvir at number 3, at hindsight any Tom, Dick and Harry can say it was a bad move, had he clicked and scored a breezy 30 – 40 runs no one would have uttered a word. Because, Tanvir is a good striker of the ball and at domestic level he has scored three centuries. At T20 level a quick fire 30 is good enough to change the complexion of the game and to give a momentum to the score. Warne should do that tomorrow once again to prove that he is not deterred by his failing one time.

    Graeme Smith as expected is out due to groin injury and they are contemplating to choose either Akmal or Younus Khan. Definitely not YK, he is not a T20 player au contraire, Akmal has started to gain his rhythm and so far played well in the past 3-4 matches, he was run out because of his stupid mistake by keeping his bat in the air. If he is in the team for tomorrow’s final, he should also keep the wickets thereby reliving the local wicketkeeper and providing options for Warne to pick up a good batsman.

    I want RR to win, but I have a feeling that Chennai might surprise them too. And I hope its not going to be another one sided affair, like abdul has with Zinta and Rani Mukerjee.

  61. #61 by Awas on May 31, 2008 - 11:20 PM

    During today’s match, it was mentioned something like 90% people believed IPL was a success. What do you think?

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2008 - 3:32 AM

    Awas

    As regards entertainment, yes. But, imo its too long and appeared like a drag. I didn’t see all matches and some matches while the match was in progress I was busy with my computer, it never happened when India / Pakistan played an ODI or a T20 or even during the T20 WC in SA, I remember watching ALL the matches with full attention.

    Besides, there is nothing to compare with. Prior to the IPL there wasn’t any such thing that one can say, OK which one was better, this one or that one? It could be more interesting:

    If they reduce the number of matches or number of days.

    If they increase the overseas player from 4 to 5

    If there is a condition that none of the overseas players should go halfway through the tournament, because that changes the complexion of the team.

    If they restrict the cheerleaders only for opening and closing ceremonies.
    If the allow teams from Lahore, Karachi, Melbourne, London etc., it would be more in line with soccer league. (ICL has already done that like, Lahore Badshah or something of that sort. I did not see a single match of ICL, so I cannot comment on that or compare the two.)

    These are a few points that came to my mind. Also, I didn’t like the idea of IPL monopolizing the tournament photographs and putting a rubber stamp (water marks) on every single photo on IPL’s official website and not allowing others like cricinfo etc., to publish or use their photographs. This is very silly and childish. They are already making millions of dollars not only through gate money but through sponsorships, franchise fee and TV rights etc. So, why bother so much about as petty as photographs of the tournament?

    There should also be a standard size for the boundaries, if it is 65 or 70 meters then it should be same for every ground, its silly to have different size.

  63. #63 by Abdul on June 1, 2008 - 8:48 AM

    My prediction that Punjab Kings will beat Chenai is a wrong one . Howver my prediction that Rajishtan Royals will win overall is still on the cards. Both semi finals have been one sided. The two teams in the fianl deserve there spot and have been outstanding throughout the eyePl AND now they are just 40 overs from ultimate glory.

    Overall regarding the Ipl Javed A khan I agree with all these strategies that need to employed by the administrators to imrove the tournament and increase the intensity. I feel the tournament in the middle was a bit dull and ongoing like the Carribean world cup and all these thoughts and restrictions must be taken into consideration in order to make the IPL a bigger and better success.

    Regarding league cricket I didn’t have the best of performances this week but the team just lost by just one wicket on a slow and wet wicket.

  64. #64 by Amit. P on June 1, 2008 - 12:06 PM

    Thanks Awas.
    Still not getting enough time to read all the comments … by the way site is growing faster …. if u late by a day or so .. have to read 60 odd comments … big hand for moderators and all the posters for making this site “happening”.

    Javed,
    You are taking my comment seriously ….. my holiday was originally meant for 10 days but extended to 2 months due to unexpected incidents … and i was travelling mostly northern part of india (punjab, delhi, UP, bihar). Btw, Hingoli is not too far from mumbai(5-6 hours i think) … never went there . May i know the reason of ur interest ?

    So we are at the end of the first season of IPL … my wishfull thinking were only half fulfilled …. Now for the final i am backing chennai. At last Murli has to come into the picture …. he is the least effective spinner (along with our Anil bhai) in this tournament … warne, chawla, Mishra and even P. Ojha have overshadowed him. All his 9 wickets were dead one (correct me if i am wrong).

    About the popularity of IPL .. i must say it has created a history here (99m viewers so far … courtsey TOI) …. and expected to catch record eyeballs in the final. This season felt a bit longer .. since 2 out of 8 teams performed badly. If Deccans and RC were strong team then this woudn’t be the case. Packing all 56 games in 30 days will also reduce the interest. Something like 37 days (mean of 30 and 44) will work, hopefully. 😉

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2008 - 1:13 PM

    So finally Dhoni took the revenge from Yuvraj? Reportedly he was back stabbed by Yuvi in Dipiki Padukone’s case and lost her. But, at the Wankhede stadium semi-final Dhoni gave a hint to Yuvi that he may have one up against him but, he got him thrice in this tournament and should remember that after all he is India’s Captain and Yuvi should not mess with him on the field, ever.

    Both of them were controlling their emotions, Dhoni did not show any signs of celebrating victory in the semis, perhaps he is waiting for the big moment and will only smile upon lifting the IPL trophy (Btw, whoever designed that IPL trophy has absolutely no aesthetic sense) and Yuvi was hiding his anger and frustration upon losing, perhaps he never expected it to be that big a margin and that humiliating.

    amit

    you are being diplomatic here by not saying who will win? By saying I am backing Chennai is different from saying I think Chennai will win today! OK, I am backing Rajhastan but I think Chennai will win today. The reason is Chennai has good all bolwers, whereas, RR has only Warne, Tanvir and Munna Bhai Patel, Munaf could be OK one day and absolutely mediocre the next day. His moods swing like a pendulum. When he is taking wickets he is smiling otherwise you see him blabbing F words and uttering BC. Same is the case with Watson’s bowling, once he gave away 26 runs in his last over.

    However, the clash between Dhoni and Warne would be interesting to watch, the previous encounter between the two was the first ever and Dhoni was mesmerized by Warne. Can Warne repeat the same feat again? Tanvir on the other hand has been deadly against Chennai, in their previous two encounters he took 9 wickets and he bowls very good against the left handers, so yesterday’s winning combo (P. Patel & S. Raina) may not be that effective today against his inswinging yorkers.

    If Rajhastan doesn’t loose a wicket in the first 6 overs, irrespective of the fact whether they are batting first or second, they will post a big total. Kamran Akmal is replacing Graeme Smith and he should be careful, its a great opportunity for the little man to silence his critics both at the IPL and back home.

    And amit I am not taking your comments seriously, that word “bharat bhraman” I never heard it before in my life, except a day before you wrote it on this blog. I was at my travel agent and I over heard him saying that word while talking to someone on the phone and, I inquired is it Brahman or Bhraman? He told me what it is, hence I asked you. Its weird that sometimes you never hear a word in your life and then you suddenly hear it a few times the same day or within a few days or you read it somewhere. And, that guy was talking about Mumbai and Hingoli etc., thats why. I hope its clear now?

  66. #66 by Abdul on June 1, 2008 - 3:47 PM

    Well,well the final is underway and Chenai are going nicely with wickets and Dhoni remaining in the hut. But the tournament revealation left arm wrong footed aka Mike Proctar – Sohail Tanvir has overs up his sleeve.

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2008 - 4:30 PM

    RR bowled well in the last 5 overs to contain Chennai from posting a daunting total. Pathan bowled extremely well to contain them and he took 3 wickets for 22. Shane Warne didn’t do much with the ball, the wicket was not favouring him for spinning the ball, which may be a good thing for them as Murali may not be able turn it as well. But, who knows?

    Warne should have brought Tanveer in the 10 th or 11 th over instead of using him in the death overs. Tanveer is not as good as Umar Gul is, so its a mistake I guess. Putting Tanveer up against Dhoni in the last over is definitely not a good idea. In any case if Tanveer doesn’t take any wicket he is still the best bowler of the IPL.

  68. #68 by Abdul on June 1, 2008 - 4:37 PM

    LOL what an adventurous final over from Tanvir and some great hitting and acceleration from Chenai super kings. Can RR chase 164. I think they can and Watson and Akmarl hold key for me. Inshallah Akmarl can score some runs and represent and mention Pakistan and Rajishtans name in the grand climax of the glitz and glamour competetion ?

  69. #69 by Abdul on June 1, 2008 - 4:39 PM

    Javed, what do u think at this critical stage in time who do u back. I’m totally with RR.

  70. #70 by Jahenzeb Khan Niazi on June 1, 2008 - 4:44 PM

    Match is at the halfway stage and nicely balanced it was expected that Dhoni’s team will make 180 or 200 but 163 is not that bad either but it is a gettable total.

    Javed Khan you are right about using Tanvir in the death overs he got a wicket on the first ball of his last over but he gave away 15 runs in the next 5 balls. I think after Kamran Akmal getting slightly injured he may not open the innings. The man to watch could be Yousef Pathan he must be confident after his 3 wickets haul at a good run rate. So lets see what happens next. I am watching the match and want Rajhastan to win.

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2008 - 4:48 PM

    Well, I was right about Tanveer bowling the last over although he got a wicket but he could not hold his nerves against Dhoni’s big hitting.

    abdul

    164 is attainable and they should get it. I don’t have hopes from Akmal’s batting because he might play down the order as I see now Asnodkar and Nirajh are coming to open the innings. They should not allow Ntini to dominate them, instead they should attack him from the first ball.

  72. #72 by Abdul on June 1, 2008 - 5:02 PM

    Yes i feel it’s a wrong decision not opening with Akmral and NTINI is bowling really tight. Every dot ball is applying pressure.woow 4 leg byes as I speak 19-0 of 3. Steady,steady.

    Overall what an overwhleming tournament it had been from Mcculum exhibition of 150 to Sewhag’s 31 of an over to some outstanding performances from Tanvir and inspirational performances lead by Warne and here we are at the grand climax as Kamran Akmarl enters the crease

  73. #73 by Abdul on June 1, 2008 - 5:11 PM

    Meanwhile, elsewhwhere Stuart Mcgill has announced his retirment from international cricket which will proceed following this current test match. I shall talk more on it after the match but now we have one heck of a game on our hands with RR 36/1 of 5 and a required run rate of 8.5 for glory.

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2008 - 5:31 PM

    Sending Nirajh Patel to open with Asnodkar was not a good move, he was struggling against Ntini and thats what I said, you have to play very unorthodox shots against Ntini to upset him. He scored 2 runs in 11 balls.

    Kamran Akmal was sent at 3 which was OK but what can one do if this idiot gets run out every time? Now the game is on Chennai’s side. It is up to Yousuf Pathan and Shane Watson to play sensibly ….. there is some confusion at the moment on the ball hitting the batsman’s helmet and too many wides and bouncers from Morkel. If these two players cant get RR out of the woods it would be very difficult for them. It is 61 in 9 overs now, still a long way to go.

  75. #75 by khansahab on June 1, 2008 - 5:54 PM

    The target seems achievable now. RR should go on and win unless something drastic happens.

  76. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2008 - 7:19 PM

    YOUSUF PATHAN What a final he had.

    As I said this morning, “I want RR to win but I think Chennai will win this final.” WELL, Chennai nearly grabbed a victory from the jaws of RR as the match went to the wire i.e., until the last ball. Great suspense till the second last ball i.e., until the scores were level. But, then it was obvious that they will run in any case.

    I think Dhoni faltered in giving that last over to Balaji, he was afraid to give him the penultimate over because RR had 3 wickets in hand and 16 runs to score in 12 balls. So, he gave it to Ntini and he could only bowl tight until the last ball of his last over and Shane Warne released some pressure with a boundary on the last ball of Ntini’s over.

    I think phirwohi must have been biting his toe nails during the last 4-5 overs.

    Mr. Kassim where are you? Are you fine and OK?

  77. #77 by Awas on June 1, 2008 - 7:41 PM

    What a nail biter it was…a last ball drama.

    Tanvir could have easily fluffed it on the last ball as the nerves were jagging. A lot of credit goes to him to be able to have hit the winning run but Yousuf Pathan was the main difference at the end with both his bowling and batting.

    Amit P – Sorry, but Chennai were great fighters and worthy finalists.

  78. #78 by Amit. P on June 1, 2008 - 8:22 PM

    Cracking final !! … i must say. Last ball finishes are always crackers … though the match ended for me when balaji delivers that deadly wide ball that costs chennai 2 extra runs and an extra delivery. I was expecting better performances, atleast in fielding and bowling, from chennai .. but they disappoint me …. even raina dropped one and that of pathan. Having said that, they still pushed RR in the corner and match was evenly balanced till the last over.

    Javed,

    you cant predict things where there are so many “highly fluctuating” parameters involved, that too you cant control…. and i hate using “ifs and buts” … so in those cases i used to back up things. Here i was backing chennai and was assuming their volatile bowling line-up to work at last.

    “Bharat (india) bhraman (travelling)” is a term that was originally meant for travelling india for something pious or spiritual experience. Or even travelling with a purpose … many great men did this earlier … budhha did bharat bhraman to test his preaching capability after getting enlighted …. adi sankracharya came up with the idea of uniting india in the name of religion after bharat bhraman and established four muthas …. vivekananda did this for spiritual experiences. Now a days “bharat bhraman” term is a joke … even rahul gandhi is doing this or completed his bhraman to see “real india”.

  79. #79 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston Tx. on June 1, 2008 - 11:33 PM

    I am here and doing fine, thank you. After a long time, a really thrilling and captivating match to watch. What a finish!!

    Gtg, usual Sunday family get together meeting, see you all.

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