Tri-Series or Try Seriously Malak Saab

Back to Sanity – The focus from the IPL glitz and glamour of T20 – is now shifting to the 50 overs game with India and Pakistan clashing once again at the tri-series in Bangladesh starting tomorrow and that is the only best feature of this series.

After the flashiness, tawdriness or brashness of the glitz and glamour of the IPL T20, one hopes to see some sanity to prevail in the cricket arena. India has already announced their team for the tri-series and included the deserving all rounder, Yusuf Pathan in their 15 member squad. I was lamenting that Goni should have been in the team, eventually lady luck smiled at him and Sreesanth got injured and Goni got in. Similarly Sohail Khan got in because Asif went on a Bhangra trip to Dubai. In the Indian side, in the spin bowling department instead of Ohja, all-rounder Mishra should have been given a chance, he not only bowls better but he can bat as well.

Before going into the depth of the team selection for this tri series let us first look into this aspect of how the IPL may have helped the Indian selectors and the Pakistani selectors to some extent in choosing an ODI squad.

India did not hesitate in retaining the same young team for the ODI’s which played well in the CB series in Australia under the leadership of Dhoni’s and the selectors have rightly excluded the old horses and brought in a few rookies. Besides, Yuvraj Singh seems to be in good nick and can be very dangerous in the middle order along with Dhoni and Yousuf Pathan. Also, the opening conundrum for India has been solved to some extent with Gambhir and Sehwag performing reasonably well in the IPL if they are not disturbed through experimentations like replacing one of them with Uthappa or someone else, then they are likely to play well from here onwards.

Pakistani selectors, announced their team after knowing the names of the Indian squad for the tri-series assuming it would be an advantage to know the strength of your opponent. It may be good in one way but, they are always up to something new or something controversial and we all have seen how Malik was trying to get rid of Shahid Afridi and get Mansoor Amjad in and he wanted to retain the injured lamb Asif and get rid of Sohail Khan.

Even though Sohail Khan has been selected Malik may not use him to his full potential unless he performs extraordinarily in the first match he plays. There is a very strong possibility that they might opt for rotation like they did before. Thats their typical way of saying “we are grooming our younger players by giving them a chance to learn in these matches for the next World Cup.” This is all BS. Because, the learning sessions must be restricted to the domestic tournaments or even prior to under 17 and under 19 and not when you play at international level. You select a playing XI give them a fair chance and decent number of matches to perform. They do it only to their favourites like Butt, Akmal, Nasir Jamshed who have repeatedly failed but, they are in the team like Bazid Khan because they are from Lahore. Selecting Naumanullah only to fulfill a quota that he is from Karachi, is not a right decision because Naumanullah is already 33 and what is he going to do and how long will he perform? Its an absurd selection.

Even after playing International Cricket for the last 9 years the skipper of the Pakistan team, Shoaib Malik, after every single defeat he says with a tongue in his cheek that, “we are still learning.” Perhaps he must have read that religious quotation: “Seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave.” Its fine to acquire knowledge till you die, here we are not talking about knowledge, we are talking about performance. At International levels you don’t talk about learning, you talk about delivering, performing and excelling, if you don’t then you should be out.

So, apart from the usual faces of non-performers like Butt, Akmal, Hafeez, Bazid Khan we might be seeing a few new faces like, Wahab Riaz, Mansoor Amjad, Sohail Khan and Fawad Alam. It is a blessing that Actor and Asif are not in the team. Anyways, the new bowlers along with Tanvir and Gul may get a chance to get into the playing XI this time, unless they too become the guinea pigs at the PCB laboratories. Tanvir’s superb bowling in the IPL must give him more confidence and he should be able to materialize it and continue his form and the momentum. Can he do it again? Because, the one below Tanvir’s picture is the one who has “done it again” and see how he is performing Bhangra? The lyrics of this Bhangra is: “Menu Salajeet tusi dila de tay Mai Nucchaan Saari Raat.”

In the batting department, Dummy Khan and dejected Yousuf are already there hence a new comer like Fawad Alam may not get a chance to play! May be, they might give him a chance against Bangladesh. But, it all depends. This yo-yo business seldom breeds any confidence especially among the new players. Because, even for a seasoned player like Tendulkar, they are always under pressure to perform to get back into form and save embarrassment from criticism that their career is over now. And for those players whose place is not guaranteed they are under tremendous pressure and, that doesn’t help in bringing the best out of any player.

It is very seldom that one sees a great player like Miandad and Inzamam who play under pressure and perform exceedingly well. Therefore, YK’s selection is wrong, he should only be considered for test matches. And most importantly the mute, dumb and deaf manager, Talat Ali must be replaced immediately. He is good for nothing, in fact he is a negative impact on the team because the coach Lawson also doesn’t look like a creative, proactive person. As for the team manager he must be a young, more aggressive and dynamic person especially with a defensive, reactive coach and a Meesna Captain. The coach seems to have disagreements with the selectors while he was in Sydney and said something controversial on the radio and now he is clarifying through the media that he has no disagreements with anyone. But, there must be some basis for the rumour to fly.

All said and done there is God Almighty who may not let us enjoy this series and sending down a few clouds and thunder to disrupt this series and it is very likely that all the matches would be affected, curtailed or abandoned, at least that is what the Rain Man says. But, he is always wrong so, lets keep our faith in God and pray that it doesn’t rain for the next one week. In the mean time, you may choose your playing eleven and make your predictions.

PS. The reason there are no pictures of Indian team is, so far they have not arrived in Bangladesh and there is no latest photo available.

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  1. #1 by khansahab on June 7, 2008 - 8:55 PM

    Excellent thread and very timely too.

    It would be difficult to not agree with anything mentioned here by the writer. Surely India start as favourites and one of the strong points of this Indian side which Pakistan does not have is a tried and tested opening pair of Sehwag and Gambhir both of whom are in excellent form.

    Please see the following link. It suits the thread nicely as maybe Malik will play with two bats now hoping he can make a good score following his tragic IPL going?

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/kitplycup/content/image/353983.html

    The manager Talat Ali Malik has done nothing except play politics in the dressing room. What is he anyway? Does he only get paid to sit there, are there any indicators that measure his efficacy or suitability to the job? As far as I’m concerned the Team Manager’s job is to “manage” the team which means, make sure the players are behaving well, address their concerns, supervise and support the captain and simply doing all in his power to make sure the team morale is good and the team is winning matches consistently. There is also an administration aspect to this job, making reports etc which is an easier aspect in my opinion.

    As far as the Lahore crowd goes, against Bangladesh they will all perform well. Against India Butt is likely to perform. But whatever they do, it won’t change the fact that jingoism and regionalism is an intrinsic and inextricable part of selection in Pakistan cricket, as it is with every aspect of Pakistani society.
    Some Cricinfo writer thinks the fact that Bangladeshi pitches are slow may mean that Fawad Alam may get a chance to play in the first match, but knowing Malik that seems highly improbable.

    Very aptly put by Javed A Khan when he states that international cricket is about delivering, not about learning. All youngsters need to go through a learning phase and this time last year I was also using the same excuse, that Malik should be pardoned for his general paindooness because he is young and “learning”. However, now Malik has captained the side for over a year and has appeared to be a weak captain whose only strength is to play politics and ensure his position in the side. His batting has declined ever since he has taken captaincy which proves that he cannot consistently manage his role in the team.

    About Sohail Khan, I wish him all the best and I hope he can get a chance above Rao Ifthikar. I still think Rao is a good bowler but I would expect Malik to use Tanvir, Gul and Rao. The following is what Malik said in a press statement yesterday,
    “We still have a decent bowling attack in Umar Gul, Wahab Riaz, Sohail Tanvir and Iftikhar Anjum.” So he did not use Sohail Khan’s name in that sentence which is worrying.

    Wahab Riaz is a good bowler and Malik may give a chance each to Riaz and Sohail Khan.

    As always I would like to provide my preferred lineup. I will also suggest what Malik is likely to employ:

    Preferred:
    Butt
    Afridi
    Yousuf
    Malik
    Misbah
    Younis
    Fawad
    Akmal
    Tanvir
    Gul
    Sohail Khan

    Malik’s likely XI:
    Butt
    Jamshed
    Younis
    Yousuf
    Malik
    Misbah
    Afridi
    Akmal
    Tanvir
    Gul
    Rao or Wahab

  2. #2 by Hanumanth Rao on June 7, 2008 - 11:15 PM

    I cannot disagree with khansahab here that it is indeed a very good thread and very timely so. When I saw the photographs are only of Pakistani players, I was wondering why is it so? But the avatar of this thread has clarified in footnote that Indian team hasn’t arrived yet and no new pictures are available, that explains and clarifies my doubts. Over all the assessment is good and I think we all know that India are favourites but Pakistan as a team when they play against India they are a different bunch of players and not like the one we saw in the IPL. Also the point that Tanvir could be dangerous if he continues to bowl like he bowled in the IPL. No idea about Sohail Khan as I never saw him bowl. On India’s side it is good to see Goni replacing Sree and I also agree that Mishra should have been in the team instead of Ohja. Like it is talked about the weather hopefully we get to see some cricket and not a rain curtailed match to be decided on D/L method or a total wash out. I won’t be able to pick my team because I am not sure but I think one thing is sure they will play Yousuf Pathan in the team and as far predictions I think India will win.

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2008 - 1:30 AM

    khansahab and Rao

    Lets see what happens tomorrow between Pakistan and Bangladesh whether there will be a match or the weather will play a part in it? Since the weather is going to play a major role in this tri-series, it would be a futile exercise to predict how the match will proceed. Besides, its against Bangladesh. The Pakistanis should remember they are not playing in their own backyard but in Bangla-Galee. A few times they have given an early jolt even to teams like, Australia and India.

    I reckon a few years ago when India was visiting Bangladesh (when Sachin scored a double hundred in test) Sehwag was in good form and before departing he said, this time I am going to make a double hundred in ODI. Bhagwan ka kerna dekho, he was out on a duck twice and in the whole series his highest score was may be 20? So, you add up his zeros, he has achieved his target.

    Pakistan’s coach Geoff Lawson says he is not impressed by the IPL whereas, Malak Saab says it was a learning experience and an honour for the country to sit in the dugout as a 12th man. Its good that he realizes his place in the team. Shouldn’t he be doing the same in Pakistan team as well?

    And look at this Liwanna Asaf, he has once again changed his statement, the latest one is on cricinfo he said, “I don’t know how it came into my wallet.” Earlier he said, its Hakeemi Majoon, then he admitted that it is Salajeet and now he changed his statement once again. theossa will tell me isko konsi “kaifiyat” kehtay hain? Because the other day he was telling something about kaifiyat.

    And “chor ki daari may tinka,” the PCB officials are repeatedly denying that, “no Pakistani government official has yet become involved in the matter.” This is a two edged sword, if he goes to jail people will say their efforts have ended in fiasco, ya inki daal nahee galee! So, they don’t want to be tagged with a loser. If he is released then they will say in public, “he was innocent.” But, otherwise they will say “We got him out.”

    Talking of Asif being innocent, I would say yeah, he is very innocent. He doesn’t know the difference between a Spanish Fly, a Salajeet love potion, a Rhinoceros horn or a Bears dyck vagaira, vagaira. In the name of Greek Goddess of Love “Aphrodite” he would do anything and keep his elbow up. I pity that he got ‘everything’ injured at this tender age. Ghalib has said something for him:

    Jala hai jism tou WO bhee jal gaya hoga….! 🙂

    Actually I love genetic engineering in poetry and I always alter the good poetry into some kinda pun. And I am aware of the correct verse of Ghalib:

    jalaa hai jism jahaan dil bhee jal gaya hoga
    kuredate ho jo ab raakh, justajoo kya hai ?

    Ragaon may durtay phirnay kay hum naheen qaayal
    Jab aankh hee say na tapka to phir lahoo kya hai ?

  4. #4 by Salman Khan on June 8, 2008 - 2:14 AM

    I have not finished with the Asif episode yet and I have posted an identical comment on Dr Abbassi’s blog as well.

    The substance was in Asif’s wallet . As Poirot would say “My dear Hastings , why the wallet?”. One would not keep “Majoon” or “Dimagheen” in a wallet and one would not keep a performance enhancing drug (which are usually administered via injectable routes , although some are used orally). So the answer is that it was probably a recreational drug which looked similar to a Hakeemi or an Ayurvedic medicine.

    In all likelihood it was something which has originated from Marijuana (cos it does look like hakeemi or ayurvedic stuff) , it could be the leaves or resin, both of these could easily fit in a wallet.

    Now coming back to Poirot’s question , the answer is probably simple . If Asif is a regular user he would like to keep it handy all the time and he probably did not realise that some was still in his wallet when he departed for Dubai. Probably still STM (Short term memory) impaired from the night before. Impairment of short term memory is a very common effect of THC use (Tetra Hydro Cannabinol : the active component of Marijuana) . Other undesirable effects include paranoia, precipitation of psychosis if the user is genetically predisposed, increased appetite & therefore weight gain and the most morbid of them all is the chronic loss of motivation , described as an “amotivational syndrome” in literature.

    What is most perplexing is the report that the Urine Drug Test was negative . Because the UDS stays positive for THC for up 4 -6 weeks after the last use( and for upto a few months in chronic users). So if the UDS was indeed negative then I would have to give the benefit of doubt to Asif.

  5. #5 by Awas on June 8, 2008 - 8:46 AM

    As there seems to be Moosla Dhar Barish going on in Bangla, we are unlikely to see any cricket. I will reserve my judgement on players’ performance until the action starts.

    Salman Khan

    Doctor Sahib, thank you for a very sensible analysis of the effect of drugs in urine and generally how you explained it all from medicinal point of view is very useful indeed. That’s one of the reasons Theossa and I have been saying lets reserve our judgement until the whole picture becomes clear. To string a person on suspicion alone in media trial is quite unfair. So far tests vindicate him but no one knows what was in that puri yet. There are a lot of ifs and butts in this in a case that can be argued against and for him.

    Even for such a country bumpkin, I find it very perplexing that he would keep a puri in his wallet or continue taking drugs when he knows that ICC is bound to test him at any international series. Should that happen and he is positive then he knows he is dead as far as cricket is concerned.

  6. #6 by Abdul on June 8, 2008 - 9:20 AM

    Excellent composed and thoughtful thread by Javed A Khan.I like the title! Yes , Malik’s captaincy has been a bit of a let down in not banking and experimenting with the talent and youth in the Pakistan side. Remember we have won 11 consecutive one dayers and Malik is targeting the most ocnsecutive one dayers in a row of which I’m not sure regarding the record but I will try to find out. Many have been critical of this target as we have just invited minos overs.
    But I’m with Malik and want him to break the record regardless of the opposition.

    I would really like to see Mansoor Amjad and Sohail Khan included for the tri series.

    Here is my preffered eleven

    1) Akmarl
    2) Malik
    3) Younis Khan
    4) Yousuf
    5) Misbah
    6) Afridi
    7) Fawad
    8) Tanvir
    9) Mansoor Amjad
    10) Sohail Khan
    11) Gul

    But we all know how dybolical and unenterprising Malik can be and we cannot always excpect our preffered side but hopefully these young players like Mansoor will get there chances and perform and fulfill there gifted potential.

    Menawhile we won yesterday in a one sided encounter in league cricket. I was amongst the wickets !

  7. #7 by Abdul on June 8, 2008 - 9:22 AM

    England are alo on a brink of a series 2-0 victory over the kiwis. They are building a good strong squad as they prepare for next years Ashes which they once agian hope to reagian. Consistency holds they key.

  8. #8 by khansahab on June 8, 2008 - 11:28 AM

    Malik has slotted Fawad Alam in the playing XI. It is a good move but what remains to be seen is whether he gives Fawad sufficient chances to prove his mettle.

    Abdul,

    I like your playing XI.

  9. #9 by khansahab on June 8, 2008 - 11:45 AM

    Akmal appears as a poor runner between the wickets. This has been a longstanding problem with Pakistani batsmen in particular Younis and Yousuf.

    Good going by Butt. However he has played a couple of risky shots which he should refrain from. It is these types of shots he gets dismissed playing anyway.

  10. #10 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2008 - 1:51 PM

    Salman Khan

    good analysis but what a shame on PakSpin only the last bit of your comments which are a continuation of the first appeared and, that doesn’t give the users any idea about what you have written earlier. I really don’t understand this stupid policy adopted by them and cricinfo to restrict comments within 1000 characters (not words as some dolts assume) and it hardly gives a chance to write an intelligent comment like you did, or when bloggers are given a choice to choose their playing XI. Here you don’t have those restrictions. Apart from that silly rule, their updating the blog comments is extremely slow, and bloggers loose interest get bored and stop commenting.

    About Asif: The moment the urine report was declared negative a lot of speculation is going on that he will be released, but what most people don’t know is the rules in Dubai, which are very strict and whether you are a user or a carrier or a possessor of any illegal substance you have to pay a price for that. And the prosecutor has given his report to the AG office to make a decision, it has been confirmed that the substance is a banned one. So, in my opinion there would be no pardon unless a high level intervention is made which we don’t know yet.

    In Dubai, if a “Shurta” (constable) gives you a ticket for any traffic offense then you have to pay the penalty no one, not even the Chief of Police can cancel that ticket except for the shurta himself. Mohammad Munir will confirm this. So, in my opinion if the prosecutor has declared it as a banned substance, Asif has no hope. The AG will not make any amends.

    Coming to today’s game, Pakistan can afford to play like this against Bangladesh but, definitely not against India. In my opinion even after Butt and Yusuf’s fifty it is still a below par performance. It is Misbah who is providing the required momentum with some big hitting now, he is making up for the loss of dot balls which Butt has created. Once again Fawad Alam may not get chance to bat, hardly 2 overs left and my bad, Malik has just played a lousy shot and got bowled for 9. So, he has just provided an opportunity for the young Alam. So one needs to see how he will cope under pressure.

  11. #11 by khansahab on June 8, 2008 - 2:04 PM

    Fawad only had a few balls to play and he is a proper batsman who builds his innings, he is not a natural slogger. So whatever happens he still hasn’t got a decent chance to bat.

    It’s an excellent idea isn’t it, to play minnow teams and gets youngsters to come in and bat at no 7 or 8 when there are hardly any balls left?

  12. #12 by Awas on June 8, 2008 - 2:25 PM

    I couldn’t see the whole match but after a good start and then to get all out like this against the minnows is not great going. The score is a bit low for a 40 overs match. The good bowling that we have should really see us through. Unless a couple of Bangla batsmen really fire, I don’t think they will win the match.

    How Younus got run out, I thought was a bit unlucky. It was very touch and go, so marginal decision should have gone in batsman’s favour. It would have made much more sense to send Fawad Alam just afar MoYo.

  13. #13 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2008 - 3:27 PM

    Yeah, this is true Pakistan team that got bowled out under 40 overs. I have to go now and won’t be able to see the rest of the match currently they are 47/1 in 12 overs Bangladesh. Awas, me2, I was thinking on the same lines that good bowling will see us through, but so far the bowling is mediocre.

    I wonder if anyone has noticed Sohail Tanvir is short of breath and not bowling in good line and length, also he appeared very frustrated an ill-tempered and was fuming at Fawad Alam who was too far away from the ball, if has to get upset he should be the one or the captain to be blamed for placing the fielder in the wrong position.

    Wahab Riaz got the only wicket so far but to me his bowling so far appears nothing great, he needs to be tested against better sides like, India tomorrow and Australia, SA etc., in future. Shahid Afridi in to the attack now and he must break this partnership. But, I have to go now. Laters………..

  14. #14 by Awas on June 8, 2008 - 5:30 PM

    Javed…yeah great minds think alike ;)-

    Bowling turned out to be good nevertheless. I lost interest midway through the innings as it was turning out to be a one sided contest. Wahab Riaz and Afridi were particularly good. What an asset Afridi always is! You are right Tanvir did look out of sorts…perhaps a bit deflated after his IPL success. After Afridi was turning the ball well, I thought Fawad Alam would do it better but he was less effective for some reason. I wonder why as he is such a good bowler too?

  15. #15 by khansahab on June 8, 2008 - 6:05 PM

    Awas,

    It appears Fawad is not as good a bowler as his domestic stats suggest. His One Day and Twenty20 record in terms of bowling is exceptional. Nevertheless I am certain given the chances he will perform consistently with the bat.

    He is also a good fielder.

  16. #16 by Amit. P on June 8, 2008 - 6:43 PM

    One thing that caught my eye in this match was the way afridi bowled …. he looked like a genuine leg spinner …. flighting the ball and lot slower in the air … one delivery was of 73 kmp and that ball turned a lot …. if he relies on his “slower” leg-spin as stock delivery stuffed with all his variations, then he will be more successful and most importantly he will be among the wickets against any team. Wrist spinner is always a good bait … look at alok kapali … 60% of his deliveries were long hops … but still managed to get 3 crucial wickets when he bowled at good length area.

    Indian selectors shud have picked amit mishra …. he is one courageous bowler who even flights his bowl in 20-20 on regular basis …. his spell against Y. pathan was great to watch, though he was hammered for 3 sixes …. he always came up with more flight and more turn .. beaten him completely on many occasions … any one of false stroke could have been gone straight up in the air. Thats the risk wrist spinners should always take …. hope afridi continues his good bowling display in the next match too.

    Coming to the selection of P. ojha …. selectors are trying to put variation in the team, at the same time grooming a left arm spinner …. its a trend now a days that every team has at least one left armer …. vittori (best of all), panesar, all bangladesi spinners (LOL), M. clarke (against india), ever-young jayasurya … they all are quite successful. Gone are the days when left arm spinners were considered as pseudo-spinners (except bedi … offcourse). But i wud like to see mishra in place of ojha … ojha definitely can wait for a year or two .. but u cant say this abt mishra.

    Anyway guys, pakistan registered a thumping win against confused bangladesis …. india vs pak match will be interesting if rain god permits .. and D/L doesnt come into the picture.

  17. #17 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2008 - 7:43 PM

    Before posting my last comment here, I said, Afridi must break the partnership and that was based after seeing Kopali bowling on the same track and getting wickets. Afridi is definitely a better bowler than Kopalii and as soon as I turned off my computer, I saw on TV Afridi got Tamim Iqbal.

    Now, I am back and I’ve just read the score card and your comments, I think I did not miss much, because it turned out to be a one sided affair. As for Malak Saab, this is his 12 consecutive win, which means Pakistan has leveled with South Africa and if they beat India tomorrow, then they will be the second team in the world with 13 consecutive wins first is Australia with 21 wins. India applied breaks on Australia during that CB series. So, winning 13 in a row will be some achievement for Malak Saab.

    Afridi is the second bowler after Nathen Bracken who took 20 wickets in the last 10 ODI matches this season, Nathen took 21 in 10. Like amit says, Afridi needs to give more flight to the ball to lure the batsman and beat them in the flight. You cannot teach Afridi anything, he does what he does, if you ask him “how do you does?” He replies; “duzzing, duzzing.”

    After seeing their batting performance, I said its a mediocre performance from Pakistan if they play like this against India, then they will be joining Bangladesh, the only consolation would be to meet India again in the final, unless Bangladesh surprises India. Theoretically its a possibility, but that won’t happen, India will not take them lightly.

    Afridi’s figures are very impressive 8 overs, 1maiden 19 runs, and 3 wickets and the economy rate is only 2.37. And for his batting, today he was playing sensibly but more for the team than for himself. Had he played like Butt, 70 in 84 balls instead of pushing the strike rate up and getting out. Butt, plays an innings to keep his place in the team. When YK was run out he was on 49 and he slowed down considerably. And after a while with a few dot balls the pressure got him. That pitch is not good for playing big shots, Misbah who usually clears the long-on, long-off fence by miles was struggling to push the two sixes far away. In fact the first six must have brought his heart into his mouth when the fielder almost touched his fingers to the ball.

    If all the matches are played on the same venue, then Pakistan should be careful in shot selection and should not play risky, airy shots. The ball is coming on a fraction late and thats what is making them play shots a bit difficult. They should play ground shots like Yousuf and keep the strike rate well over 100, unlike Salman Butt.

    India is a better team on paper and also their morale is high, so they should win tomorrow’s match, although I want Pakistan to win, thats separate from what I want and what is expected. I think Malak will play Nasir Jamshed tomorrow in place of Fawad Alam. And he should bowl himself, instead of tossing over the ball to YK and Butt. It was a good opportunity for him to try his own bowling, but he did not do that because he failed with the bat and had he gone for a couple of sixes, that would have tarnished his image further and he would have received more flak that he is out of form in batting and he is out of form in bowling as well.

    The only positive move Malik made was in batting order when he promoted Afridi up the order, he scored 20 in 17 balls but, he was looking more confident and was not slogging from the first ball. He was out attempting to hit a six but, this pitch will not assist batsmen in scoring sixes freely. There might be a few, but not too many.

  18. #18 by khansahab on June 8, 2008 - 8:50 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    You have as usual raised some intelligent and thought provoking points.

    Jamshed may well get a chance against India but what is significant here is, Afridi is the only established spinner in the side at the moment. Malik and Fawad are the two other spinners. We all know Malik does not have enough faith in his bowling and he is likely only to bowl in those matches where he has scored a few runs.

    But on the flip side, India can handle spinners pretty well. If I was Malik I would gamble and instead of playing Jamshed I would slot in Sohail Khan who would support Tanvir, Gul and Wahab. Malik would have 4 specialist pacers, 1 specialist spinner (Afridi) and he would have to bowl a few overs himself. This would at least strengthen the bowling department because I don’t feel Nasir Jamshed is a reliable batsman. So a lot depends on whether Malik chooses to bowl himself. Otherwise he may well have to choose Fawad because there is no other spinner.

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2008 - 2:45 AM

    khansahab

    I agree with you that Sohail Khan must be given a chance i.e., in case they want to drop Fawad Alam against India, it will definitely strengthen the bowling department and they should continue with Kamran and Butt to open the innings. Younus Khan is totally off-colour and when he falls cheaply at the top, there is suddenly a lot of pressure on Yousuf, because then Pakistan is not one wicket down but two. Whether it was his fault or not in getting run out, it doesn’t matter but he is simply not an ODI player. In which case there has to be a toss between Nasir Jamshed & Fawad Alam or may be Nauman ullah since he is in the side now and if he is included he should be promoted up the order. Also, I suggest that Misbah should come at number 3.

    One thing is for sure, Malik cannot drop Afridi against India especially in view of his excellent bowling today. ALSO, Malik himself has not done anything with his bat or ball, except being a rubber stamp skipper, so he won’t have the guts to ask Afridi’s exclusioin. Afridi should now get back to his senses and concentrate more on his batting too, he should avoid airy fairy shots and stay there on the wicket for a good number of overs and when the time comes he can boom boom, but not from the first ball.

    He needs someone like Miandad to create that calming effect on him. I still can’t believe how he managed to remain at the crease for 305 minutes to score 141 runs i.e., when he scored his first test hundred against India in Chennai in 1999 when Miandad was the coach.

    I was under the impression that the India / Pakistan match is tomorrow but it is on 10th June.

  20. #20 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 9, 2008 - 9:23 AM

    I guess enough is already said on the Pakistan/ Bangladesh match, and that too some valid and interesting points have been made all round.

    This match was more like a ‘starter’, doesn’t really matter if you get it or not, as you wait anxiously for your ‘main course’. Now the Indian game is going to be quite interesting, but that too will not be of any importance because no matter what the result of that game is, it will all boil down to the final on Saturday 14 June, which will most probably will be between India and Pakistan. So, if you ask me, Pakistan will be better off loosing this match with India and then coming back and taking the final. Because, I think, gone are the days when Pakistan team use to win endlessly against India, this Indian team of today is way ahead of its predecessors. I have lived all my life in Sharjah, UAE, and had been lucky enough to see almost all of the India Pakistan encounters here. Back then it use to be a different ball game, specially on a ‘Friday’ afternoon 🙂

    In those days, the Indian players use to be literally intimidated by the presence of Pakistani greats, the likes of Javed Miandad, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan, Saeed Anwar, Waqar Younis, etc. etc. But it seems those days are gone for good, and Indian players of present times are much more aggressive, confident and better players and our existing guys are no match for them.

    Javed Khan …

    Javed Miandad was a class player and I will agree to whatever you say about the guy, but I will not agree on how much ‘calming effect’ he could have on our ‘Akhrot’ Afridi. I remember a particular game at Sharjah, where Miandad was couch and Afridi was batting in his usual ‘fiery’ style. Miandad was getting restless in the dugout and so he sent in 12th man with a message to probably ‘calm’ Afridi down, but he continued batting in same fashion. Finally, Miandad was halfway in the ground, waving his both hands in the air and pointing to Afridi to calm down and play slowly or rather sensibly. But, you know what, the next ball Afridi faced was another six on long-on and it went right over the head of Javed Miandad. I still could not forget Miandad’s reaction to this, his face showed mix feelings of jubilations (for another six), dejection (for not accepting his pleas) and embarrassment (as players started laughing).

    Afridi, no doubt, gave a brilliant performance in the first Bangladesh match with his bowling, and he could have easily taken fourth wicket, if it was not due to this ‘Gamar Sachiaar’ (Misbah), who took a low lying catch and when the umpire looked at him, he did not make an appeal but rather started asking for the TV reply, as if he himself was not sure that it was a clean catch. Now if the catching player himself is not appealing and is asking for a TV reply, then what can a (Bangladeshi) umpire do. The umpire went up to the second umpire (Asoka Desilva) and after a brief discussion; he refused without even referring the catch to third umpire for his decision. Later on, Arun Lal said in his comments that this to me was out, and there was enough doubt that at least it deserved to be referred to the third umpire.

    Wahad Riaz seemed like just another mediocre bowler at around 140 km mark, it seems lately Pakistan have stopped producing genuine fast-bowlers who can bowl at a speed of around 150 km, which use to be our forte. Fuwad Alam is a good prospect; however, he is unfortunate not to get a justifiable chance to show his full potential. I concur with Khan Sahab, every time he comes on to bat, it’s only few overs/ balls are left in the inning.

    I agree with you on ‘Shurta’ issue in Dubai/ UAE, yes even today we have this rule prevailing at the Police departments. So ‘Asaf’ will remain with us for some more time.

    The name ‘AsAf’ reminds be of another guy we use to see at PakSpin, “AshAq”, haven’t seen him around for long time neither on PakSpin nor on LegSlip.

    theossa …

    Longtime no see … hope all is ‘IN’ well with you 😉

    Khan Sahab …

    The Hot-Gals are not updated for sometime now…… 😉

    You can also seriously start thinking about introducing a ‘Hot Recipe’ or ‘Desi Dishes’ section on this site.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2008 - 1:09 PM

    Like Munir has said, enough has been written about yesterday’s match and there is hardly anything to talk about it (I did not see that catch which was Misbah-ed) so lets save our comments on tri-series till the India / Pakistan match.

    I have tried to keep my focus away from Asif’s case but its not easy to let it go, because its such a big disaster, until a decision is made most of us cannot avoid thinking about his irresponsible action.

    It is easy to form an opinion that Asif’s weakness is, “his Paidooness” and him being a Paindoo we must sympathize with him. His naivety and simpleton is a drawback which could have been excused in the first instance when he was tested positive for Nandrolone.

    After that incident, he became a victim of “Dressing Room Abuse,” and an injury prone kid, we still continued to sympathize with him. But, this second drug offense illustrates his unwillingness to learn coupled with snarling dose of arrogance which he picked up from the cricket pitch and fixed it on his face like a permanent mask. I don’t think we should sympathize with him anymore. Enough is enough.

    The irony is he still believes that he would be released and will get unlimited immunity mainly because of his pseudo star status and the way his fans call him as, “The Sheikhupura McGrath,” an international cricketer of repute is being compared by this simpleton of ill-repute.

    The media still blabs about his ability to “out-think a batsman” and talk about his consistencies in line and length etc., is clearly not in equal measure with his capacity to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong for him as a role model. The word “Role Model,” is something a Pakistani player would never understand. Almost all of them when they get famous they think they are super-models and can do anything and get away with it.

    The typical tendency to blame others conspiring against them can be seen from the political rogues to the cricketing rogues – an expression every second common man utters that it is a Jewish conspiracy against them and the country. The conspiracy theories that revolve around Asif’s fall from grace in cricketing circles is so very obvious to everyone now. And, no one can deny the fact that Asif as well as the PCB both are to be blamed for this, because both have failed each other and the PCB has done the same with the Show-Actor, first by accusing him and then granting him a pardon – not once but a few times – and they make a fool out of themselves and, they make the whole nation look like an idiot in the eyes of the world.

    A “typical, chronic Paindoo” cricketer picked up from the streets of Machikay, Sheikhapura, Punjab and thrown into the world of international cricket who got instant fame and money and he suddenly got off track. His balls were not in line and length he became a druggie and an alcoholic, as a bowler he was failing, he thought of improving his batting and sought help from a hakeem, and his fate crash landed at the Dubai airport to shock his fans and bring disgrace to the entire nation.

    Asif may not have to deal with rigorous imprisonment but, whatever jail term he gets that is enough to ruin his short career in cricket. If he goes for 4 years, in my assessment his cricket career is definitely over. Even if he gets a short term say one year and after that if the PCB tries to bring him back into cricket would not only be a big disaster but, they would be doing injustice with the other Pakistani young cricketers. In fact, I would suggest that the PCB should ban him for life to teach a lesson to others and Asif’s case should serve as a warning for others.

    Actor is a goner, he should not be banned but, he should simply be dropped on fitness grounds – which is true and there is nothing wrong in it.

  22. #22 by theossa on June 9, 2008 - 2:57 PM

    Some good and humorous comments all around and way too many to reply individually so I’ll just put my thoughts here.

    I’ll show my support to Asif again, poor guy needs a break. I’m sensing an overkill here. He might be guilty, he might be not. Like always Pak officials are making a mess of this situation. I wouldn’t expect Asif to be make such crazy statements unless the confused and panicing idiots from PCB are putting words in his mouth. I recall they were pathetic during the Woolmer saga and they let the players treated like criminals thanks to this Jerk called Sarfaraz Nawaz who will confess he is a bastard if that ges him the news. Media did not disappoint either with their sensationalism, which is in full display here also.

    I would disagree with almost all of you that Younis should be dropped for ODIs because part he is not a ODI material and part he is out of form. In the past, Indian fans were calling Ganguly all kind of names and were making sure that his carrer was over because he looked completley off colored and miserable. I argued that a batsman of his calibre needs a couple of good knocks to get back into the groove, gain the confidence, and in the long run he’ll win you more. I’ll say the same for Younis. In my opinion Younis and Yousuf are integral part of the ODI and Tests and I hope Younis regain his form in this series.

    I watched Wahab Riaz in last Pak-Bang Twenty20 and I wrote then that he has a smooth and rythemic run up and the thing that really caught my eyes was his ability to get a good lift from good length, kindda like Wasim Akram. In my humble opinion he’ll be a good asset in the future. Btw 140 + km/hr is a decent speed and I can remember only three bowlers (that I watched) in the world passing 150 km/h consistently and those were Waqar, Brett Lee, and Akhtar. Even Waqar was more like 146 km/h range bowler. I did not watch Sohail Khan bowl but I heard he can bowl very good short ones and that is always handy in any form of the game. I would play Sohail against India also, our batting stink anyway so why not use some good bowling attack to mask it.

    To be fair Butt has been consistent of late (even if against minnows) and we need an anchor player like him to open and Akmal can play his shots from the other end. Let’s see how Butt and Akmal fare against a potent Indian attack.

    Afridi is an amazing fella, he can bowl very sensibly but when batting he gets ballistic too often and too early. It’s like a Bi-Polar personality and a different Afridi for each of his all round capabilities, one of which Shut the Face of every Critic.

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2008 - 4:26 PM

    theossa

    my views about Asif’s possession of contraband substance or possession of illegal drugs is very clear. Whether the Dubai authorities jail him or release him is a different matter. In my other comments on the related thread, I was asking a question, which I will repeat again. Will Asif consider this whole episode as a heuristic process to amend his follies? Will he be ready to change his pseudo lifestyle?

    Our sympathies towards him is mainly because of his background and also because of the way he appears so naive and dumb, whereas a majority does not support Shoaib Akhtar because he appears totally opposite to Asif. But, the point is Asif has taken cover of this naivety and paindooness as a means to continue doing whatever wrong he has been doing. Hence, in my opinion the PCB must be very firm in punishing him.

    As regards the PCB themselves, there is a lot more to be discussed, I have mentioned in my previous comment that they are equally responsible for this debacle in fact more, because knowingly, consciously and deliberately they have allowed him to go and play for the IPL when he was not fully fit. Its all because, they want to please him that, look we are not stopping you from earning your dollars (US$650K) and they did the same for the other junkie.

    Anyways, these are my views and I like to stick to my own views, whether I may be right or wrong, just like Asif cannot distinguish between right and wrong and keeps his brains in his wallet, I can also hold my opinion (but not in my wallet) till the time the judgment is announced. 🙂

  24. #24 by Awas on June 9, 2008 - 4:56 PM

    Afridi is definitely a star as he always leaves an impact on a game one way or the other. And I agree with khansahab that he needs some sort of free hand how and where he bats. This was in fact best illustrated when Bob Woolmer was the coach as he and Inzi both encouraged him to do whatever he likes with the bat and some of the results showed it.

    The option of utilising Afridi as an opener however should only be used selectively mainly because he is not a genuine opener and other than sub-continent pitches he would struggle against a moving seaming ball. Currently, all Pakistanis struggle against such bowling anyway but Afridi could be better utilised in later overs when the ball is no longer seaming.

    Afridi’s true potential will only be known if he is made the captain and someone takes the initiative to kick Malik Saab out…I have never known a captain so uninspiring with no far sight whatsoever.

    I did not see the incident where Sohail Tanvir was “shouting” at Fawad Alam but have no reason to disbelieve anyone either. I have not however seen any fast bowler of any salt not showing his anger, anguish or frustration at a fielder or even to an umpire, be it Imarn Khan, Waqar Younus or Wasim Akram or anyone else for that matter. Even spinners such as Afridi at times have done so. This aggression culture was however replaced by forget and forgive culture, perhaps to a good effect to an extent, by Inzi.

    When I saw Tanvir taking wickets in his first ever match, I was very surprised that he showed no emotions whatsoever and there was not even a hint of celebration. I thought…hang on…this is very unusual. Perhaps it was shyness of a newcomer or getting overwhelmed with the occasion but he slowly opened up. Even now I don’t really see him showing emotions like most fast bowlers do after taking a wicket. I think aggression in a bowler is natural and I like to see it as well, as long as it doesn’t go over the top like it does with two monkeys…Andre Nel and Sreesanth.

    I barely saw yesterday’s match to comment on “likes of Tanvir, Malik and Wahab Riaz being rude to Fawad”. If it did then it’s very unfortunate but let’s not make it sound like a premeditated connivance of some sort as Tanvir and Wahab are barely here long enough to indulge into ‘regionalism’. One can perhaps expect it from the likes of Malik but not the newcomers who should consider themselves to be lucky to be playing for Pakistan. Am I the only one here who is a bit naïve about such things? If so it’s mainly because I like to think “ham bee Pakistani hain tum be Pakistani ho” ;)-

    Theossa

    I agree most of what you said, especially about Younus Khan. If he is good for tests he is good for ODI’s too. All I can add is form is temporary, class is permanent and the other thing about him is he is a very good fielder and in the slips one of the best in the business. In the field, he is always active like Afridi encouraging others and that is very important for the team morale.

    Javed

    I agree paindooness is no excuse and I don’t think anyone is doing that. He is been around long enough to know what’s right or wrong. As Theossa said “he might be guilty he might not be”. Lets see…if guilty the Arabian prison would bring some sense back in him.

  25. #25 by theossa on June 9, 2008 - 5:01 PM

    Let’s talk about tomorrow’s big game. If Pak gets rid of the Indian butchers Sehwag and Gambhir in the first ten overs Pak wins the game. Pak will miss Asif against Gambhir. Butt and Gul should have a decent game. I think Younis will bounce back if he is given the chance. Afridi is always unpredictable so it will be interesting. My pick, Pak wins, just a gut feeling and probably a biased one.

  26. #26 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 9, 2008 - 5:42 PM

    The other day, I wrote a blog on Pak Spin and took to task those guys who always make it a point to abuse Mr. Javed A. Khan as soon as it appear in the print. Unfortunatelty, it was edited or censored and only the next few paras appeared.

    As far as Asif is concerned, you guys say he is a dud, I dont buy it. When I go for my Chemo-therapy every Wednesday, I make sure I have my wallet on me with my Driver’s License, Medicare and Medicaide cards and enough cash so that if I have a flat, I can get it fixed at a nearest Tire Repair workshop since most of them dont accept Credit cards, in any case I dont have any Credit cards.

    If an old man of my age with fading memory can remember to take care of these trivia for 17 miles than how come a world class bowler who could out-fox great batsmen, who has travelled thousands of miles world over does not know what and what not to carry in his wallet or baggage/luggage?
    Or did his Hakeem saab came and did his packing?

    And My choice and Ranking of Pakistans’s Best Batsmen and Bowlers are:

    1. Hanif Mohammed. 1. Fazal Mahmood.

    2. Javed Miandad. 2. Imran Khan.

    3. Asif Iqbal. 3. Abdul Qadir.

    Let us start a new thread on this topic some day!

  27. #27 by theossa on June 9, 2008 - 6:07 PM

    Munir the Gemini, the Player, I need a section where I can virtually eat ‘Hot Dishes and Cool Desserts’ otherwise you sure are on a mission to drool me to death. Thanks for your offer to host me in Sharjah for eat out but like Ghalib said:

    Tere wade pe jiye hum to yeh jaan jhoot jana
    Keh khushi se mur na jaate agar eitibaar hota

  28. #28 by Awas on June 9, 2008 - 8:00 PM

    MY Kasim

    I did the same, wrote a blog to counter Javed A Khan abusers and it was basically in support of what hirshi had said but unfortunately Dr Abbasi didn’t approve it. It was especially surprising as I did not use any foul language at all. I can only surmise that Mr Abbasi deliberately prefers to allow comments made against Javed and block the ones that are in his favour and that’s a very unfortunate development.

    This seems to be happening with a lot of us. On Saturday, for example, I am sure I saw Theossa’ comment. I was about to read it but then a phone call came, I closed the site but when I went on it again the comment had disappeared. I am sure it was not my imagination but only Theossa can confirm whether he posted his comment. Kioun Theossa?

    Disagreement with one’s views in a civilised manner is one thing as it is good for debate but abuse is completely different and distasteful.

  29. #29 by khansahab on June 9, 2008 - 9:14 PM

    Awas

    Sir, as usual you have been very mature and balanced in your assessment of regionalism and I will take into account your views.

    MY Kasim,

    Sir, very astute point regarding Asif knowing what was inside his wallet. I don’t think he is ignorant, but I do think he is stupid.

    Theossa

    Actually I was also having a gut feeling Pakistan might win. But when I think about Malik who can not bowl, bat or captain the side properly I fear otherwise.

    It will be most interesting to see what happens to Fawad who appeared as a mediocre bowler against Bangladesh. If he is lucky enough to get a chance against India and if he gets a chance to prove his batting talent it will be a cause of worry for Malik whose place in the team will be undoubtedly threatened. There are still people who want Afridi to be out of the team. They can forget about it because he is a world class bowler now. His bowling in both Twenty20 and ODI is as good as any specialist spinner.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2008 - 10:04 PM

    khansahab

    you are right in saying “there are still people out there who want Afridi to be out of the team…..” One of them is Geoff Lawson, read his latest comments on cricinfo., where he has shown a lot of concern for Shahid Afridi’s batting form. Completely ignoring his bowling AND completely ignoring the skipper’s abysmal performance in batting and bowling department both.

    Lawson is bragging about Malik’s 12 wins, because that accounts for him as well that since he is the coach Pakistan has won 12 straight games, and he has expressed his desire to beat Australia’s record of 21. He should remember that it was under Malik’s captaincy that Pakistan has lost the test and ODI series last year and thats a record broken after 26 years. He should stop licking the PCB and Malik’s ass and get real. And stop singing this old tune, “Tu mera raag mai teri raagni.” Or, you scratch my back, I scratch yours.

    Mr Kasim, I agree with you on what you wrote about Asif. Most people try to give him a discount by saying “bechara paindoo hai.” How long will he remain, a paindoo? Why don’t they say when he goes to the Discos and Bars of Mumbai, Kolkata and Delhi, and why don’t they say when consumes alcohol and get out his pants? He can do whatever he wants in his private life, but when he is there on a tour, he should respect the job he is doing. Because, in the IPL tournament he was chosen by the Franchise for being a Pakistani player. He was not on a vacation on his own to booze and smoke ganja, opium or whatever.

    As regards your comment on PakSpin, I know I have read your comment and I could also make out that it ended abruptly, like Salman Khan’s part one is missing and his part two which is a continuation of part one has only 4-5 lines and that is there for you decipher what he must have written earlier. Its either Kambran Abbasi’s own shortsightedness or the cricinfo mafia who are uploading the comments they delete or censor the comments. I don’t give a shit anymore. I will say what I have to say and let the dogs bark after that.

    theossa

    which Pakistani doesn’t want their team to win? I mean other than the Ichrra ka Choora. And, which Indian doesn’t want to see India not winning? I am hoping that there is no rain tomorrow and they play 50 overs each. The match will be interesting and not one sided. No predictions because, tension hai tension 🙂

    Awas

    I saw that incident where Tanvir was being rude to Fawad Alam, the batsman played a shot and the ball was no where near Alam and he ran fast to get it and the batsman scored two runs. I couldn’t understand what was the need to yell at him and show so much detest? Even Amir Sohail was saying the same that it is not Fawad Alam’s fault, either the skipper or the bowler should have arrange the field. Tanvir was earlier hit for a four and he didn’t like that so he was taking it out on a junior player. Thats nonsense, he should not forget that he is also relatively new in the team. And by getting the purple cap in the IPL doesn’t give him a status or a license to yell at junior players.

    Tanvir should remember that not so long ago he dropped a simple catch of Jayasuriya, I think the bowler was Umar Gul but, he did not yell at Tanvir. And Tanvir was lucky enough to clean bowl Jayasuriya on the very first ball he bowled. And I agree with you Awas that Tanvir is generally emotionless after taking a wicket, but this was absolutely not uncalled for and its a bad precedent for others.

  31. #31 by khansahab on June 9, 2008 - 10:28 PM

    Actually I don’t like Younis and I also don’t think he is an ODI player. But the reason he was in my playing XI was because, the only alternatives would be Naumanullah and Bazid Khan in that position. I don’t want Naumanullah to be there because his selection at this age and time is absurd. Plus I am not a jingoist so I don’t want someone to be in the team just because that person has a similar ethnicity to me (this topic really puzzles my mind because ethnically I am a Pathan but, then I am a real Urdu Speaker? What confusion!)

    I really don’t want Bazid Khan to be there because he is a sifarashi. It doesn’t matter what people say but if your father or uncle is a big gun or person with authority there will always be nepotism. That undeserving and ungrateful and paindoo Faisal Iqbal got so many chances just because his uncle has been a “big player” for the country. He is a good domestic batsman but he just got TOO many chances at international level and he emerged as a TOTAL failure.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 1:01 AM

    khansahab

    personal likes and dislikes is another issue, whether you like Younus Khan or not is a separate matter and should not be mixed with his performance. Me, too I don’t consider him as an ODI or a T20 player. It is also a fact that he is out of form. Like, I have nothing against Malik in person, but as a captain he is one of the worst Pakistan has ever produced. And the burden of captaincy is killing his batting and bowling skills. Mike Brearly was a mediocre batsman but, an excellent captain. Shane Warne was known only as a bowler until the IPL, and thats why some people say Shane Warne is the best Captain that Australia never played him as a captain.

    theossa

    May be you are right about Riaz Wahab’s bowling but as I said before, I don’t see any spark of genius in him. Whereas, when I saw Tanvir bowling for the first time I was impressed, not because of him being a lefty, both are lefties and both are not very fast like Imran, Waqar, Shoaib, Sami etc., but there is something mystic in Tanvir’s bowling, not even his dodgy bowling action which confuses a few, but the ability to bring the ball in for left hand batsmen that is something which was much needed in Pakistan’s pace attack. Gul, Asif, Shoaib they all had some problems in dealing with left hand batsmen but Tanvir doesn’t, whereas Riaz Wahab being a lefty does not pose much danger to the left handers.

    I agree with your view that they must strengthen their bowling attack instead of batting, I mean when it comes to a rain curtailed match where a player like Fawad Alam will hardly get any time to play, it would be worth having Sohail Khan in his place.

    A few minutes ago, I watched on the TV and the same info is quoted on the Daily “The News” i.e., Malik talking about the match review against Bangladesh also something like a preview for tomorrow’s match against India. Its a shame that he did not acknowledge a single word about Afridi’s bowling, instead he talked about Wahab Riaz’s bowling and Salman Butt’s and Yousuf’s batting. Afridi and Riaz both took 3 wickets each. Whereas, Afridi’s figures are better than Riaz’s but he did not even mention his name.

    As a captain if you don’t acknowledge and don’t appreciate your teammates efforts they get disheartened. Afridi is one bloke who may not give a tosh to Malik’s appreciation or acknowledgment, still it is captain’s duty to give the devil his due. If Malik stops worrying about his own place and choose his best players he can be a good captain like Mike Brearly but unfortunately Malik is a weak, meek captain. Its hard for anyone to teach him something like this. That is because he comes from a different school of thought.

  33. #33 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 1:26 AM

    Javed A Khan

    I don’t have anything “personal” against Younis. In fact the very reason I don’t “like” him is because of his performances. A lot of this is due to him batting at no 3. Otherwise he is a very talented batsman and if I recall correctly I think he averages more than Inzamam and Yousuf outside the Subcontinent. It is just sad he has never been a very consistent player.

    I also don’t like the fact that he refused captaincy when he could have been the right person to lead Pakistan. It’s amazing how captaincy came so easy to Malik who is not captaincy material whereas someone who was being groomed for captain is(was) uninterested in the job.

    He is also extremely temperamental and often gets out in those situations where he is needed the most. The good things about him are, he is straightforward and does not get involved in scheming or politics. He is also a good team man and a reliable fielder. But what really sets him apart from everyone else is, he does not play for money. This is not just my personal observation but the view of many commentators. Nasim Ashraf has also stated this before saying that he is the only cricketer who is interested in playing for the country, not for the money.

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 3:26 AM

    Its mid-night in Montreal and the match is only 4 hours away to start, the weather so far so good, no rain at the moment in Mirpur Dhaka. One of my cricket frenzy friends called his friends in Dhaka to find out how the weather is? The forecast is, it will rain around the time when the match will start, until evening it will be a hide and seek kinda game with the rain. But, around sunset time it will clear. Since its a day and night match the chances are it will be 25 to 40 over match. Unless all the predictions go wrong it could be a 50 over match or a total wash out.

    Both the teams must choose a side which is better for a shorter version of the game, hence I stand by my opinion that Sohail Khan, Sohail Tanvir, Wahab Riaz and Umar Gul along with Shahid Afridi should play as bowlers. I am not worried about the batting side for a rain curtailed match. There are enough batsmen in the team and its about time they should score and this is for both the Pathans i.e., Afridi and Younus Khan and the Malak Tutankhamen too. If they all play to their potential I don’t see why they should not win?

    Let the Indian team confidence remain high after the IPL, but the Pakistanis when they play for their team, their performance is not so abysmal as it was seen in the IPL. They are still an explosive side, so there should be nothing on their mind to worry about. On the other hand India should worry more because, they are the favourites and a lot is expected from them.

    The weather forecast for 12th and 14th June is not as gloomy as it is for 13th and 15th. So, lets cross our fingers and our toes and hope to see a good match. Butt, Misbah and Yousuf have always played well against India and they should continue to play like that and I hope Malik performs well tomorrow. If he wins the toss he should bowl first.

  35. #35 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 10, 2008 - 6:03 AM

    theossa …

    Taking Chachaa Ghalib from where you had left him would be as:

    Tere wade pe jiye hum to yeh jaan jhoot jana
    Keh khushi se mur na jaate agar eitibaar hota

    Ab “Doosra” Misra Bhee Sun:

    Yeh Naan Thee ‘Tumahri’ Kismat Keh ‘Misaalaa’ Yaar Hota
    Agar ‘Amrika’ Main Jeetay Rehtay, Tu Kuch Aisa Waisa Hota

    M. Y. Kasim …

    Living in USA if you really don’t have a Credit Card, Tay Phir Tusee GREAT Ho.

    I mean, I being a banker can vouch, that CC is really a curse of our modern times.

    Khan Sahab …

    Amisha Patel is so so …… not special. But as they, ‘Kay Moft Hath Aaey Tu Bura Kiya Hai”.

    I guess we can have a few pictures of sweet ‘Shakira’. (Deadly combination of Lebanon and Mexico).

    Geoff Lawson has said that I would like to beat India by a margin of 150 runs, now that is called ‘fish-full’ thinking.

    I think our Australian coach is getting influenced by the Pakistani mindset, “Kaam Dham Kuch Bhee Nahin, Aur Baatain Bari Bari” 😉

  36. #36 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 8:15 AM

    Javed

    I don’t agree what you said about Malk Saab that “he can be a good captain like Mike Brearly“. This must have come out differently to what you really meant.

    When we were talking about different captains once, I think I mentioned it to Khansahab that one of the best English captains was Mike Brearly. He was a mediocre batsman but a great captain. He was highly educated too an Oxbridge and a psychotherapist. He was such a strategist and used Botham and Bob Willis (not so great bowlers) to such good effect that they often won Ashes or came close to winning. Uncouth Malk or most in our team can only dream to emulate him.

    Khansahab, I agree to all that what you mentioned about Younus Khan. We don’t have automatic choices for captains any longer such as Imran Khan, Miandad, Wasim Akram or Asif Iqbal type as there are no such good men around but the one that came close to it and was groomed, was definitely Younus. Even Afridi, in my view, is second best to Younus as he has his own short comings. Younus is such a selfless person that you can’t help admiring but he is an enigma too. In a strange way, I like that kind of people.

  37. #37 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 10, 2008 - 9:21 AM

    Match is on.

    India won the toss and selected to bat (30 in 4 overs without any loss) … in T20 fashion. Literally !!

  38. #38 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 9:29 AM

    Sehwag and Gambhir are annihilating Pakistan and the Bangladeshi crowd is loving it!!!

  39. #39 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 10, 2008 - 9:40 AM

    Dropped catches, miss fields, bad bowling, wides, extras, and the end result is India 59 in 8 overs with any wicket.

    Guys … I think 400 is on the cards 😦

  40. #40 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 9:43 AM

    LS visitors, your comments will be updated almost instantly during today’s Pakistan vs India match. Keep updating us with your thoughts!

  41. #41 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 9:47 AM

    Gambhir aur Sehwag ney tau Pakistan kee bowling ko pamal kar dia!!!

  42. #42 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 9:48 AM

    Once again Pakistani bowlers are trying too hard and have come under serious pressure.
    The learned Theossa said, if Pakistan can get Gambhir and Sehwag cheaply then they might win. That is a very good observation but an Indian win seems likely after this start.

    Shameful fielding display by Younis Khan. He should not play in the final now.

  43. #43 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 9:50 AM

    Has someone seen Sohail Tanvir giving “paen” waali gaali to Sehwag and Gambhir? He didn’t behave like this before his IPL success.

    That is exactly the point I was making yesterday about Tanvir.

  44. #44 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 9:54 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Can we have some comments from you please?

  45. #45 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 10, 2008 - 9:58 AM

    Seeing Pakistan’s performance so far, Javed A. Khan is in hiding 😉

  46. #46 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 10:06 AM

    Gambhir is treating Pakistani bowlers like they are from a club side. It’s like India vs a minnow side.

    The ball touched the ground and Akmal knows it!

  47. #47 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 10:09 AM

    “paen” waali gaali ???…really…thats shameful.

    I am not watching as am at work but I got cricinfo on

  48. #48 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 10:13 AM

    Awas

    http://bhejacry.com/ipl4.html

    If you can access non work related sites you can watch the match on this link.

    But you will need to install a software called “Sopcast” and you will need to use Internet Explorer.

  49. #49 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 10, 2008 - 10:15 AM

    Here comes the Indian 100 in 13.5 overs and more importantly without any wicket.

    India is playing T20 here, and our ‘guys’ (cows) have become ‘bakris’, in front of the Indian batting attack.

  50. #50 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 10:26 AM

    Malik should have used Afridi earlier on who is in good bowling form. This will shatter his confidence because he is in good form. It also shows Malik is not proactive and he is stubborn.

    Many people who hate Fawad thought that by removing him Pakistan’s bowling will be strengthened but currently the bowling attack is being thrashed mercilessly. What difference did it make to remove Fawad?

  51. #51 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 10:34 AM

    This was meant to be a real test for Pakistani bowlers. We have now seen how mediocre these pace bowlers are on a slow pitch. It is so stupid that Afridi is a specialist spinner who isn’t being brought into the attack. Apart from Afridi Pakistan does not have any quality spinner in ODI’s and even in Tests Kaneria is not the same bowler he used to be.

  52. #52 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 10:36 AM

    On pitches like that this is how they need to use Afridi to come as an opener and see what he can do.

    Normally they bring spinners after 15 overs but the smart move would have been to use him earlier.

  53. #53 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 10:39 AM

    Awas,

    You are spot on that Afridi should have been used earlier because the Indian run rate has been over 7 rpo. Normally spinners are brought after a while yes but this situation where the bowling is being decimated, warranted bringing an in form bowler earlier on. But alas.

  54. #54 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 10:54 AM

    Shouldn’t Mr T have kept his “gut feeling” to himself?

    But the funniest of all is what Lawson said.

  55. #55 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 11:06 AM

    Riaz has been awful so far, save the solitary wicket.

  56. #56 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 11:07 AM

    He does have a knack of picking up wickets though 🙂

  57. #57 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 11:20 AM

    LOL….@ changing mind after 1 minute ;)-

  58. #58 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 11:40 AM

    So far India has used a policy of “controlled aggression”. We all know the class of Sehwag and Gambhir and apart from the talent and ability they are also in good form.

    But the Pakistani bowling has been inconsistent and all over the place. It is sad to see Pakistani players losing their cool. They are likely to get fined for a slow over rate but I get the feeling Sohail Tanvir may also get disciplined for his poor behaviour today. Not only has he consistently swore at Indian batsmen he also argued disrespectfully with the umpire after he appealed for Yusuf Pathan’s LBW.

    Sadly Afridi has also appeared unnecessarily hyped up.
    Malik has not brought himself into the attack because he is scared he will get slaughtered.

  59. #59 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 12:05 PM

    Khansahab, how are we doing wickets wise now?

    Did they drop any catches early on?

  60. #60 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 12:10 PM

    Awas

    4 wickets down. When I started watching the match 7-8 overs were already gone, but I heard the commentator saying Akmal and Younis have dropped one catch already. Then Younis dropped another one and Akmal put one down which he disgracefully claimed to be a genuine catch.

    Afridi has has had two chances to catch so far which he has put down but they were very difficult chances, the types only Jonty Rhodes or someone like that would catch.

  61. #61 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 12:19 PM

    The butter fingered KA doesn’t surprise me but I am surprised at Younus as he is usually pretty good. Why they don’t replace KA with Sarfraz Ahmed is frustrating.

    They should open with Afridi and Butta today.

  62. #62 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 12:31 PM

    Good delivery by Gul to dismiss Yuvraj.

    Damn it’s raining now!

  63. #63 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 12:35 PM

    Once again Afridi has emerged with good bowling figures relative to the other bowlers.

  64. #64 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 12:40 PM

    Pakistan’s cause is all but lost. If they had held catches earlier to get the openers out like Theossa wished then it could have been a different game. A bowler can easily become dejected and mediocre if the fielders don’t support him.

    Raining??? That could be Pakistan’s saviour ;)-

    Let it be moosla dhar barish…only kidding!!!

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 12:50 PM

    Oh gosh, you guys have flooded the blog with so many comments like a running commentary on the blog, hence I won’t go into the details. Its a rain break now so I am here, I was watching the match with total devotion and full attention, its not an IPL match, its India / Pakistan match.

    I don’t want to be mean and criticize Malik with an agenda, but the fact is he has been very, very defensive. Has he not seen Shane Warne started with Yousuf Pathan bowling the first over? Has he not seen Dravid using Kumble in the first over? There is no set rule that you must play only your fast bowlers during the first 3 power plays. Also there is no rule that you need to take all the 3 power plays in one go.

    Realizing that the fast bowlers are unable to pick up a wicket or even curtail the runs, he should have opted for the spin option, delayed the 2nd or 3rd power play, instead he went on with his fast bowlers, as if its a rule carved in stone. And when you are using your fast bowlers why go defensive again? There weren’t any slips after a few overs. The fielding was pathetic with dropped catches and poor gathering of the ball. It was only when Afridi and Rao were bowling in the mid-overs i.e., between 30 to 39 that they contained the Indian batsmen.

    Afridi once again bowled well in this match with an economy rate of 5.20 under these circumstances are very good. Tanvir should consider himself lucky for claiming the wicket of Dhoni because, the ball was going down the leg side and not only that Dhoni was at least 2 meters out of his crease.

    There was a time when India were threatening to reach 380 – 400 on the board, I had a feeling that they might crumble all of a sudden and even 300 would be an achievement. As it was beginning to happen the Rain Gods came into action.

    The plan that Dhoni had in mind was well executed by the openers (especially after 5 dropped catches) and then Yuvraj accelerated the run rate. Now, the problem with Pakistan would be to score almost 8 runs an over in a rain curtailed match. Although they might still have a slight advantage of knowing their target. It would only be beneficial if the number of overs would be 25 or less but to score 8 runs on a consistent basis for 35 plus overs would be difficult and wickets will fall unless they go berserk from the beginning and put up a big partnership in no time. That would be possible if they attack from the first ball. Sending Afridi to open the innings will not be a bad idea today. But, the first thing is to see if the rain stops and allow the game to progress. Until then Au revoir à bientôt.

  66. #66 by Amit. P on June 10, 2008 - 12:52 PM

    In 3 and half hours only 43 overs were bowled …. we should have done with the first inning though. Its good that captain being punished now a days for slow over rate …. so much time wasted on crappy things. By the way india should post atleast 330 from here .. pitch is not good for batting … slow track and pathetically slow out-field.

    Btw how many of u guys were tracing that “white” ball during 27 to 34th over ?

  67. #67 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 1:21 PM

    Javed, we have “flooded it”??? Its cricket. What do you expect from guys like us with all those Nanga Parbat hot gals in mind ;)- Wait till Theossa, Munir Amit P and others join in.

  68. #68 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 1:23 PM

    Munir, what you did to Ghalib’s poetry could make him squirm with pain in his grave.

    Awas, I did post on Pak Spin and like you I was surprised also that my comments were not posted. I was just sarcastic and I didn’t use profanity or anything close to it. The other guys were allowed to post Anti-Pakistan and Anti-Javed comments with freedom. Some of them didn’t even bother responding to the blog by Kamran and just uttered nonsense and were still allowed to post, very strange. Do you guys think they are aware of Legslip and the posters here?

    Khansahab & Javed, I’m in no way supporting Younus because he is Pathan but I think he is a world class batsman and should be an automatic choice along with MoYo in the team. I think he can play well in ODIs and Twenty20. Namanullah was the top scorer at domestic level so he deserved a chance regardless of the age. Age discrimination there by a very young Khansahab? LOL.

    Btw which side is in the position to get 150 runs drubbing? The butchers (Sehwag and Gambhir) did what they have been and that is making chop steaks of Pak attack. Riaz got hammered but his performance was satisfactory considering the fact that the rookie was up against arguably the best openers and some of the best batsmen in the World. I think winning toss was more important for Pak than India and i.e. with a very strong batting line up India can either set a target and chase with efficiency while Pak on the other hand choke under pressure and India knows it. Malik is a pussy, why he did not bowl on this wicket? He could have retarded the run rate like Afridi who bowled well again today and I hope both Malik and Afridi get their batting form back in this match. Indian should post something close to 350 now. I would hope for a good opening partnership form Pakistan to save some embarrassment. When Pak loses wait for some Cho2ia statements by captain and coach.

  69. #69 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 1:31 PM

    The ball did go very black Amit P. Apparently the laws are that the umpires have to notice and change the ball, the batsman can’t ask for it to be changed.

    The same old problems have been seen with the Pakistanis that were there before this coach came. The fielding has been substandard and there has been so much indiscipline in bowling.

  70. #70 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 1:32 PM

    Amit P, you are a genius…330…on the dot

  71. #71 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 1:34 PM

    Amit P,

    So India managed 330 has you stated. Great last over by Younis.

    Let us see how it goes. In my opinion Pakistan have no option but to attack from the word go. If they play defensively from the outset they are likely to lose anyway.

  72. #72 by Amit. P on June 10, 2008 - 1:42 PM

    Well guys …. in my opinion it was 265-75 pitch …. but when u floored with so many extras (around 40 ) the bar raises above … and captain comes in the picture for slowing down things … pak took more than 4 hours to bowl their quota excluding the rain halt … ganguly used to do same things in middle .. rightly fined on many occasions.
    Neway … who is going to pad up first ?? same couple 😉 … i like to see afridi upfront .. not 2nd or 3rd down …. in top 3.

  73. #73 by Amit. P on June 10, 2008 - 1:48 PM

    Btw, it turned out to be master stroke 😀 from malik to save atleast 10 runs …..not giving ball to younus when riaz was forced to get out of attack …. he waited for 3 more overs .. between that both raina and pathan got out.
    Thats called vision my frnds LOL

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 1:50 PM

    The “mora” see him, the “mora” dislike him as a captain. What a timid nincompoop captain Malik is, he couldn’t bowl 4 balls? He should now kiss Younus Khan’s xxx for bowling that tight last over. Its just a blessing for both and for Pakistan also, that the big hitters were dispatched by Umar Gul and the new batsmen were there to face Younus Khan in that last over and couldn’t do much.

    Barring Umar Gul’s second spell, both Tanvir and Wahab were pretty ordinary and the later becoming the most expensive Pakistani bowler against India to give away 86 runs in 9.2 overs previously it was Ata ur Rahman in Sharjah. For some reason Tanvir is not looking content on the contrary he is looking very unhappy and angry. What could be reason? As a fast bowler if you are not in your right frame of mind, you cannot focus and get wickets. Wahab is inexperienced so he can be excused for loose deliveries and those two beamers which were enough to put a lid on his bowling and saved him from giving away a possible 100 runs in 10 overs.

    amit

    the colour of the ball was due to the colour of the pitch or the ground and it will be the same for both the teams, may be more for team batting second, because the rain came after the 42nd over. There might also be more turn for the Indian spinners and Chawla might be able to spin it a lot more. And India has more spin options than Pakistan, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Yousuf Pathan all can bowl besides Chawla so they can slow down the run rate in the middle overs.

    theossa,

    not only the coach and captain but the team manager Tottla Ali who is there doing nothing will say something, he was seen nodding along with Shafqat Rana one of the selectors.

    Since Younus has bowled the last over very well, he should consider himself lucky and may be able to score big. As the players are coming on the field, lets see what happens in the next 50 overs or less? 😉

  75. #75 by Amit. P on June 10, 2008 - 1:51 PM

    Oh! .. forgot to mention … thanks awas … weird things happen sometimes 😉

  76. #76 by Amit. P on June 10, 2008 - 1:57 PM

    Javed,
    I was not saying that it was unfair for india (i know pak have to face the same thing) …. was just trying to point out some dumb ICC rules, that whatever happen u got to change the ball in 34th over, not after or before that.

  77. #77 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 2:04 PM

    I won’t blame Salman for his dismissal. What a catch by Sharma.

    These Indian youngsters are remarkable.

  78. #78 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 2:10 PM

    I won’t blame Younus for a first ball duck, he was cursed by Khansahab and Javed.

  79. #79 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 2:11 PM

    LOL @ Younis Khan.

    Malik is pathetic. Shame on you Malik for being yourself. Get the hell out of Pakistan cricket.

    Pakistan Cricket Board officials,

    Shame on you for making Malik captain. There is so much talent in the country yet your policies of corruption, regionalism and nepotism have destroyed the name Pakistan once had in international cricket.

    Shahid Afridi for captain and some hardworking youngster for vice captain please. Enough is enough!

  80. #80 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 2:24 PM

    Reply from a senior cricket official from Pakistan to Khansahab, “I’m a senior cricket official from Pakistan and I hate knee jerk actions from fans like you, we are having an 11 match winning streak and God willing Malik will rescue this match for us. We like to think this team as good as 1987 team of Imran Khan. Come on young man, so what if we won against weaker opposition and lost two series against good teams, shit happens. Hey I gotta go, I have to work on Asif case and rescue him from those hell bent officers of Dubai who can’t distinguish between a super star and an ordinary man. Also, I have to get some Green for Tanvir he looks cranky without it”. Peace Out.

  81. #81 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 2:36 PM

    Reply from Khansahab to PCB official:

    “First of all thanks to Allah. Definitely boyz is playing well. I am agree.”

  82. #82 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 2:50 PM

    Lawson to boyz, “come on fellas, you need to score 480 runs in reply to make my statement true and show me staw bales where I can hide from Indian media”.

  83. #83 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 2:54 PM

    LoL @ you guys having a go at PCB.

    After 330, did you really expect a miracle or what? Chill out…India is just too good.

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 3:01 PM

    Sissy Malik

    Here are a few glass bangles for you, they will suit you well with your green dress and Amir Khusroo has said this one for you:

    Gori, gori baiyaan, tay waan pay hareee, hareee choooriyaan
    Baiyaan pakar leee na ray mo say nainaa milaiyekay.

  85. #85 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 3:01 PM

    “ I am agree” Awas, but Boys is playing good and we just lost some wickets and with Malik playing good, God willing we are win this one.

  86. #86 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 3:09 PM

    While Malak is dancing around with green bangles, Asif’s affair with Salajeet is coming to an end. The PCB official Nadeem Akram confirmed that the Pak Embassy in Abu Dhabi is handling the case now, as if no one knew about it before, also that the government is now getting involved in his case, once again the whole world knows about it. Why the eff have they been lying all along?

    Mibah is the key now but the chances are very bleak, because both these all-rounders Malik and Afridi have not done anything significant in the past few matches and have been struggling with the bat. I am putting a curse on both of them to go against it. theossa are you happy with this? Lets see.

    Finally for Lawson: He should be a happy man that either way it would be a 150 runs margin. No matter who wins because Lawson is Australian.

  87. #87 by Mohammed Munir on June 10, 2008 - 3:13 PM

    Needs a lot of courage to keep writing in these conditions.

    Misbah is gone, and only plus is to see some shots from great ‘Akhrot’ 😉

    My mom is cursing Malak too 🙂 Even she knows whose fault is it all 😉

    It’s raining in Sharjah, so I can’t write no more.

    I am outta here 😉

  88. #88 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 3:18 PM

    So funny to see Ishant giving attitude to Afridi, Afridi usually gives attitude to everyone else.

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 3:51 PM

    Its a “Kid-Play” Cup for India. The way Pakistan are playing against India are looking like minnows. So far they have been beating the minnows 12 in a row and were very happy. Its a one sided match now with Misbah and Afridi gone and the tail is exposed. Whatever left in this match is a mere formality, even if Malik and Tanvir can go on a rampage from here, the target is like “Dilli Dooor ast.”

  90. #90 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 3:57 PM

    Afridi Chawal maar gia against Chawla…

    Hail Lawson for making such a good prediction…

    Hail Malk Saab for being so predictable and for wonderful performances against the minnows…naah Malk Saab is just unlucky with number 13.

    Boyz did good…Indians

  91. #91 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 4:24 PM

    Malik’s statement after the game, “Boyz fought well but we had bad luck and God willing we will beat India in final by 149 runs. It was unfortunate we could not win 13th consecutive game but we will make changes, drop Afridi and bring Amjad to boost our spin bowling. Iftikhar did a wonderful job and he is the McGrath of Pakistan. My left hand little finger was tender so I could not bowl but I’ll be fit by Champions trophy.

    Lawson to media, “It’s all Afridi’s fault, had he scored 150 runs we would win this match comfortably, I say drop him. Malik has proven again he is not selfish and he does not play for numbers but for team. Did I mention we are still favorite for the Tri-Series?

  92. #92 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 4:25 PM

    Pakistan has lost this match but, Malik will be very happy that he is the top scorer with 53 runs. Its a shame that Pakistan did not even challenge India in any department. What a stupid coach and team manager they have other than the captain.

    Now you will see Bazid Khan or Naumanullah coming in for the next match i.e., the final and whoever that one would be its Younus Khan they are going to drop. How about bringing in Sohail Khan in place of Wahab Riaz ? (Since Riaz is the most expensive bowler = but knowing Malik he won’t do that.

  93. #93 by Abdul on June 10, 2008 - 4:33 PM

    The unbeaten consecutive one day internationals record has finally fallen today with Pakistans humiliating defeat.The responsibility is with the coach Mr Lawason who I lay responsible for todays defeat.I say ” BIG TIME CHANGES” ie Mansoor Amjad for Shiad Afridi and so.

  94. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 4:39 PM

    LOL theossa for those funny comments.

    abdul

    you have joined the PCB bandwagon by demanding to drop Shahid Afridi just because the Sissy Malik scored 53 runs?

    The coach is also responsible but the captain who is leading the team is more responsible for the way he uses his resources. He was so defensive from the word go that he has give this match to India in a silver platter. He is the one who should be sacked and Afridi should be made the captain. He got two crucial wickets and bowled with the lowest economy rate, otherwise India were cruising nicely to score 390 – 400 runs.

    This 140 runs defeat at the hands of India is also a feather in the cap for Sissy Malik or should I say “A pankhree Gulaab ki Malik’s Paranda?” You have confirmed that you are one those Afridi haters and wants him to be out even when he plays well, and its good to know your feelings.

  95. #95 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 4:39 PM

    Wonderful performance by India…lets give credit to them and congratulations to our Indian fan friends.

  96. #96 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 4:51 PM

    I disagree with Abdul too but he is entitled to his views.

    Basically, the performance of the whole team was pathetic…Afridi was just better (as he usually is) amongst very ordinary performers today. Once you have a burden of 330 or so on your mind, 9 out of 10 times it’s a forgone conclusion. Dropping 5 catches is not gonna a win you matches…are they?

    Malik should do the decent thing and bow out before he gets kicked out.

  97. #97 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 4:53 PM

    Dear Indian friends:

    Congratulations on a big win and thanks for fixing the hallucination of our Team’s manager, coach, captain, and some fans. Yeah, we are in all sorts of troubles, our Teams’ manager is a clown, coach smokes crack and gives these funny statements, and our captain is a pussy. You know who are we? We the Pak fans are like spouses of an abusive partner, who after all this shit are still stuck with him.

  98. #98 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 4:55 PM

    Let me go to Natalie after a rough day.

  99. #99 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 4:58 PM

    Malik is so poor that I feel sorry for him. He is so pathetic that whenever he comes to speak in post match presentations, he looks like he is trying to hide his smile maybe because he feels shy or unprepared to speak English in front of the world. When Arun Lal asked him about the extras he said something stupid like, “We have another match remaining”. He should have said something sensible like, “we have to improve in this area” or something like that. That unfortunately shows his paindoo psyche where he is too stubborn to acknowledge weaknesses and reforms.

    Afridi played sensibly but the way he got out ruined all the positives that appeared before that. But the good news is, he seems to be returning to form. His bowling is very good and there should be no question of dropping him. His place is more certain in the team than Malik’s, Younis’s and even Misbah’s. I am beginning to wonder if Misbah is an overrated player because lately he hasn’t performed wonders with the bat.

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 4:59 PM

    theossa

    Malik beat you by a big margin, his interview was more hilarious than your prediction on how he will react. Poocho Essa Jawab milay Moosa. And the funniest bit was when he was asked “you were short of a spin bowler, so what are you going to do?” Yes, we are looking for it and Inshallah we will play well in final. And when asked why didn’t you bowl? First he giggled, then, he grabbed his shoulder and bent down a little, (I thought he would tell what the commentators were saying that he is showing his shoulder has a niggle,) instead he said, “because we have 5 regular bowlers so I didn’t bowl.” So, what was funny and painful that you laughed and then grabbed your shoulder from under your arm?

    UKP, Ch2 So4, Bh. Bromide, he was asking you about the 4 balls of Wahab Riaz’s over and you chickened out! You should have admitted that I chickened out.

  101. #101 by Mohammed Munir on June 10, 2008 - 5:08 PM

    LOL @ theossa.

    So Mr. Lawson was almost right, I mean the margin was 14o runs, isn’t it? So what if we win or loose. Good going Mr. Coach.

    Did someone notice that Malak Sahab clearly refused to bowl even 4 balls, when Riaz was taken off for bowling two beamers. He pointed toward his shoulder that its not ok, well if he is so BLEEP sick then why the BLEEP he played in the first place.

    After the match Malak Sahab said that we have been playing good cricket lately, and it was just one bad day (well take that for an answer) 😦

    Win or loose is part of the game, but its humiliating defeats like these which put you off.

    I say, bring back Inzimam as coach 😉

  102. #102 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 5:09 PM

    One thing I will give Malik though is, he accepted Sehwag and Gambhir are “no doubt brilliant players” because that statement makes his comments appear slightly less paindoo.

  103. #103 by khansahab on June 10, 2008 - 5:11 PM

    Theossa,

    You won’t find Natalie because she is with me at the moment. She is so fine…….so beautiful and sexy…….

  104. #104 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 5:13 PM

    Khansahab, when did Natalie start Baby Sitting? LOL.

  105. #105 by Mohammed Munir on June 10, 2008 - 5:15 PM

    Is there a captain in any of the international cricket teams around, who could not bat well and comes in at no. 6, never bowls not even 4 balls, is not an exceptional feilder, is not a good captain, do not have enough PR skills, can not speak english ???

    Then why the F C U K is Malak Sahab our captain ???

    What have we (fans) done to deserve this 😦 😦 😦

  106. #106 by Mohammed Munir on June 10, 2008 - 5:17 PM

    Khan Sahab …

    Hope you are not singing a ‘lori’ to Natalie 😉

    Aur Tum Iss Natalie Ka Kiya Bigaar Saktay Ho ? 😉

  107. #107 by Amit. P on June 10, 2008 - 5:28 PM

    Theossa,

    We indian fans could easily understand the pain coming out of u .. we have suffered this kinda frustration a lot in ganguly tenure …. how would u feel by loosing 13 or 14 finals under someone captaincy …. but here atleast whole pak (except the pcb ) knows whos fault it is … in our case there were millions of people backing ganguly as a captain and showing u all kinda crap stats.

    Btw, predict the future of malik ….. my prediction is he wont captain his side in champions trophy .. or that will be his last tournament as a captain.

  108. #108 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2008 - 6:17 PM

    amit

    have you heard this phrase, “aapkay moo may ghee shakkar” ? You know that Malik and the PCB selectors are so dheet, they will not remove him from captaincy even if he looses the final with a bigger margin than this. So, my dear your prediction may not be right and Munir will remain as amazed as he is now by asking that question why the eff he is captaining Pakistan side?

    Like I have mentioned above, this 140 runs margin is the biggest defeat Pakistan has suffered at the hands of India. Malik is so lucky to have so many records under his “Ijaar Bandh” and only he can be proud by saying “Pyjamay bhee mera hai aur Ijaar Bandh bhee mera hai.”

    Wahab Riaz has also created a record today by giving away 86 runs in 9.2 overs beating Ata ur Rahman’s 85 in 10 overs against India. Earlier Malik created history by loosing a test and ODI series in India after 26 years. Nostradamus Lawson was only 10 short of his prediction. May be Zardari chopped off those 10 runs and must have gotten them in his Swiss Bank accounts.

    Btw, why are you blaming Ganguly alone? The time when Pakistan used to beat India it was not Ganguly, but Gavaskar, Azharuddin etc., were captain. In fact Ganguly broke the shackles and won the high scoring Karachi ODI 4 years ago followed by the ODI series and the test series. Although Dravid captained some of the matches due to his injuries, but he was doing the backseat mothering.

  109. #109 by Awas on June 10, 2008 - 6:29 PM

    Amit P

    You are in good form today…I wouldn’t disagree with you ;)-

    You may well be right Kapitan’s days are numbered.

  110. #110 by theossa on June 10, 2008 - 6:37 PM

    Amit

    The only reason Malik is still a captain because he is weak and PCB needs a puppet. It’s unfortunate because this young man had a promising start as a player but he looks really incompetent as a captain and his performance is going down the ditch. The people of Pak are to be blamed too. They were the ones who made threatening calls to Younus’ family after a miserable WC and he was really disgusted by it. I don’t blame him, family comes first (People will say country comes first but I’ll disagree) I also think he does not wish to captain Pak because he doesn’t put up with PCB’s BS. Afridi will not be made captain for the same reason and MoYo is too gentle to lead.

    Javed, LOL at Zardari taking 10 runs off 150 runs prediction, very witty there. Again people of Pakistan are to be blamed for electing the same assholes wishing that they’ll deliver something other than the stench.

  111. #111 by Amit. P on June 11, 2008 - 5:23 AM

    Javed,

    LOL … i wud like to have “ghee shakkar” in my “munh” … specially for this wish-full prediction … i know these pcb guys are nothing less than dictators … but how long u can hide ur incompetence when whole world are watching … even the old cricketers of pak are not going full monty on the current team .. may be they are waiting for rite time. Lets see when comes the rite time.

    Javed, here u too are falling in the same old prey …. ganguly was good in the first phase of his captaincy, giving chances to young guns (sehwag, yuvraj, bhajji, nehra, zahir and many more) … but in the later part of his tenure he was no less than malik …. hiding himself with extra batsman .. and most importantly all his tigers went wild … i dont know which way he used to motivate his boys(still a puzzle) in meaningful matches that in the first 20 overs game used to over. Do u think Sharma, Uthappa, Raina, Pathans et. al. are better players than sachin, dravid, laxman, ganguly, zaheer …. i dont think so, but still this team is winning … its all ab’t managing ur team well and setting targets for each player .. its captaincy that matters in the end.
    We were “paper tigers” in his tenure.

    Theossa,

    I used to admire (u can say fear also 😉 ) this guy a lot (more than anybody else) when he used to come to bat at no. 3 under inzy’s captaincy. There was no madness in his approach … still scoring big with good strike rate … and won many matches for pak. His average on that position was around 60s in inzy’s tenure (correct me if i m wrong). But somehow he felt betrayed when everybody was trying to push younis khan on that spot after younis’ good stint in test matches .. specially imran khan. And woolmer vs imran stint didn’t help him either …. now he got the captaincy and behaving like a power drunken guy.
    On a lighter note, u know, i am playing “No smoking” song on my comp. now, and sukhwinder singh is on high and singing this beautiful song written by gulzar

    jab nasha tutataa hai, kitne tukade gire hain
    hosh chunane lage hum, hum bhi kya sir phire hain
    lab pe jal rahi hain, woh baat phook de
    honton se raat ko, yeh raakh phoonk de

    Hope malik listen this song 😀

  112. #112 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 11, 2008 - 9:17 AM

    Amit P. good observation, intelligent comments and makes a lot of sense.

    However, if anyone here is thinking that Malak Sahab will resign or retire on his own, well guys “forget it”.

    Did you ever see enough courage in Malak to own the problem and take genuine responsibility for any of his mistakes, nay !!

    Yeh Latoun Kay Bhoot Hain, Batoun Sey Nahin Maantay.

  113. #113 by theossa on June 11, 2008 - 2:01 PM

    Amit:
    Wah wah Amit bhi, you have a good taste of poetry. Here is one from me:

    Yeh na thee humari qismat ke Malik depart hota
    Agar aor jeete rehte yahi intizaar hota

    Tujhe kia kahon keh kia hai, yeh Malik buri bala hai
    Mujhe kia bura tha haarna uggar eik baar hota

    Munir:
    On Pak cricket affairs,

    Ibtidae ishq hai rota hai kia
    Aage aage dekhie hota hai kia

  114. #114 by Mohammed Munir on June 11, 2008 - 4:59 PM

    theossa …

    Here is Jawab-e-Shikwa for your above Misra:

    Ibtida-e-Ishq Main Hum, Saari Raat Jaagay
    Allah Jaane Kiya Hoga Aagay, Ho Mola Jane Kiya Hoga Aagay.

    (well these are words of an old hindi song).

    Aj Kal Javed Bhai Kuch Khamosh Khamosh Rahtay Hain, Kiya Yeh Kissi Tufaan Sey Pehlay Ka Saqoot Hai ? Ya Phhir 12 Jeeton Kay Baad Pehli Pehli Haar Ko Dil Pey Lay Liya Hai ? 😉

    Dil Pey Mut Lay Yaar …

  115. #115 by khansahab on June 12, 2008 - 8:41 AM

    LAHORE, June 11: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Dr Nasim Ashraf has blasted the team management in Dhaka for the spineless display against India on Tuesday which saw Shoaib Malik’s side getting thrashed by 140 runs in the tri-nation fixture.

    Criticising the performance of the Pakistan team, the chairman on Wednesday wrote a strong-worded letter to manager Talat Ali, raising objections over team selection, Malik’s captaincy, coach Geoff Lawson’s weak role and excessive number of extras.

    In his letter, a copy of which was obtained by Dawn, the chairman asked the team management to immediately hold a meeting to draw up the strategy for the expected final between Pakistan and India on June 14.

    “Last night’s performance against India in which we lost by over 100 runs was embarrassing. It is not a question of losing a match but our overall performance and the lack of resolve and commitment bothered me the most,” wrote the chairman.

    “I am writing this to you in your capacity as chairman of the touring selection committee with copies to Geoff Lawson and Malik. Please discuss these points today and give us your considered response within the next 24 hours so that timely action can be taken before the next match against India on the 14th which will be the final.”

    Giving his observations on Tuesday’s performance, the PCB chairman further added:

    “1. Selection of the playing eleven for this match against India: The previous game against Bangladesh had clearly highlighted the characteristics of the track in Dhaka, that the spinners were going to play crucial role. The team selected for India game had four fast bowlers. Also, you clearly told me that Malik was 100 per cent fit and therefore was the second spinner in the side. What happened to that? Why did Malik not bowl?

    2. After the Indian opening pair started to hit us all over the park in the first 3 to 4 overs, it was fairly obvious that something needed to be done to break their momentum. We dropped some catches in the beginning as well but, watching from here, one felt that we were paralysed in the field. Nobody suggested to the captain that he must have a mini conference with the vice-captain and other players — junior or senior — and take corrective action. Even the commentators were talking as to the possibility of changing the bowling and bringing in Shahid Afridi at an early stage.”

    3. Even if that was not the strategy, at least the fast bowlers should have been advised not to over extend themselves (more than 22 wides and a total of 38 extras) on a track like this. Rather, they should have been instructed to bowl strictly to a line and length and to contain especially when the batsmen were in such full cry. It seemed as if we were just continuing with tactics that were clearly not working! We need to be more proactive on the field!”

    4. Wicketkeeping was pathetic, especially after Kamran Akmal dropped the catch and pretended that he had held on to it. This is unsporting behaviour but perhaps one has to give him the benefit of the doubt as he may not have realised that the ball had slipped out from his hand, which was picked up by the cameras. I do not want such behaviour from any Pakistani player. Please warn everyone! We ought to be looking at playing another ‘keeper.

    5. Except for a few on the field, the body language was not competitive. We were smiling and joking as if we were some junior team which was happy just to be given the privilege of playing a top team. This has to stop.

    6. As I said earlier, the fast bowlers were just trying too hard on a dead track, resulting in wayward line and length. If you look at Sehwag run map, he almost had 50 runs on the leg side which is something that he has never done in the past.

    7. The positives were that Afridi bowled very well and Malik got his 50 but then Afridi threw his wicket away in a most irresponsible manner.

    8. At least our strategy after losing early wickets should have been to bat out the 50 overs. No one applied themselves to build partnerships,” the chairman argued.

    “I can go on with a lot of other match details and analysis but this should be enough.”

    Giving his suggestions for the expected final on Saturday, the chairman wrote:

    a) The touring selection committee needs to have a meeting and decide regarding the playing 11 i.e how many spinners and who?

    b) Malik must undergo a complete fitness test with regards to his bowling tomorrow so as to determine clearly whether he can bowl full 10 overs.

    c) If the touring committee decides that they want to ask for another spinners from Pakistan, you can decide and let us know immediately so we can arrange for the player to join the team. It could either be a left-arm spinner or another right-arm spinner.

    d) The bowlers should work extra hard for the next two days and correct their no balls and wides. This is simply unacceptable and the coach must address this.

    “I intend to reach Dhaka on Saturday, Inshallah, at noon time and would like to have a meeting first with you, the captain, the coach and the vice-captain immediately, and then later in the evening a meeting with the full team. Please get back to us by calling me with your decision regarding the spinner, etc.

    I have full confidence that we can beat India on the 14th if we get our act together, Inshallah. May God be with you all,” concluded Dr Nasim Ashraf.

  116. #116 by khansahab on June 12, 2008 - 8:59 AM

    DNA has addressed some concerns which we have all mentioned in this thread.

    Firstly he has questioned Malik’s fitness and why he didn’t bowl?

    He has also indirectly hinted why Fawad Alam wasn’t played especially when Malik was unfit. It doesn’t matter if he was mediocre in the match against Bangladesh- he is an established spinner and he was the only other established spinner in the side apart from Afridi. They can remove him from selection in the future but if he is in the squad he should play. If you look at point “C” above in Nasim’s letter, you can see his indirect sarcasm as to whether another spinner needs to be called from Pakistan when Malik is not deciding to play Fawad.

    I also mentioned earlier that India were more systematic and calm on the field. Check how composed Praveen Kumar was and how he managed his line and length even though he does not appear to have any extra pace or any other outstanding ability. Yes he bowled at the start because he generates swing but swing is no good if the line and length isn’t good. The Pakistani players were too hyped up and overreacted bowling too many wides and no balls. They are not fighting a war; it’s just a game but they should treat it as a game they must win, not as a war they must win.

    Many people blame the Selection Committee for the playing XI but this letter proves that it is Malik and Talat Ali who decide who should be in the playing XI. You can see Ashraf has categorically mentioned that the selection committee should decide who the spinners in the playing XI should be.This seems to me nothing but a statement on regionalism because the Selection Committee is mainly Karachi based but the captain and team manager are Punjabis. This is because it doesn’t take a genius to figure out Fawad Alam is the only other spinner apart from Malik and Afridi. You are all free to interpret this statement in any other way whatsoever and do tell us what you think it means.

    Ashraf has also questioned importantly, why was Malik so defensive and why didn’t he use Afridi any earlier?

  117. #117 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 12, 2008 - 9:51 AM

    Khan Sahab …

    You are a bit over obsessed by the young Fuwad Alam.

    Please don’t put words in DNA’s mouth and don’t assume too much.

    Pakistan lost the game to India most comprehensively and there would not have much difference, even if Fuwad played. We were an inferior team to India on the day, and we lost. It’s simple as that.

    On a different note, I am happy that DNA finally woke-up and took the culprits to task.

    I hope its not the case of, “Sub Kuch Lutta Kay Hosh Maen Tu Kiya Kiya” 😉

  118. #118 by khansahab on June 12, 2008 - 10:13 AM

    Mohammad Munir,

    It was nice of you to give feedback on my comments. Maybe I am obsessed with Fawad but that is only because I feel there is a conspiracy to not promote or encourage him. When the ABN AMRO Twenty20 Cup was being played in Pakistan it was shown live on Geo Tv here in the UK. So I saw most of the matches. I’ve seen this guy can play some good cricket which is exactly why he is in the squad. You can’t win the awards for Best Batsman, Man of the final and Player of the Tournament just by fluke. He was also a candidate for Bowler of the Tournament. More than these awards what was noteworthy is how he played the likes of Mohammad Asif, Rana Naved, Umar Gul, Shahid Nazir etc in that tournament. In the final vs the strongest team Sialkot, he played a superb knock and when he was out a few players from Sialkot gave him a standing ovation. This sort of thing doesn’t happen to average players in ordinary situations.

    Sure we were an inferior team to India but that has been how it’s like for the past 2 or 3 years and that is also how it is likely to be for the next few years as well. So it doesn’t mean we can’t complain about selection matters or captain’s strategies?

    I have mentioned somewhere earlier that removing Fawad didn’t make a huge difference. Playing him wouldn’t have made a huge difference in terms of bowling maybe but I am confident he “could” have made a good few runs because only 30 or so overs had gone when the no 7 or 8 batsmen came to bat. That is the whole point- unless he is played against good teams we won’t know how good a player he is because against minnows Malik slots him at no 8 or so, so when he comes to bat he only has a few balls to face and slog.

  119. #119 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 12, 2008 - 11:33 AM

    Khan Sahab …

    Thanks for your sober reply with proper explanations and well made points.

    At times we all get carried away, including myself 😉

    Bangoos are 134 for 4 in 35 overs (which is just a formality).

    In one of my earlier comments, I did mention that it will be better to loose the league match to India and comeback strong and win the final, rather then winning the dead rubber game and then loosing all important final.

    So let’s get ready for the GRAND FINALE !!

  120. #120 by Sakthi on June 12, 2008 - 12:04 PM

    This is my first comment in LS. I’m really impressed with this blog and the respect you people give to Indians and other country men. It is also heartening to see that cricket takes priority over everything else. BTW, I am an Indian living in Chennai.

    I will post more messages going forward.

  121. #121 by theossa on June 12, 2008 - 12:15 PM

    I personally don’t like Nasim as his tenure is not a successful one and it is full of controversies but I feel he is criticized no matter what. On a positive note he should be credited for introducing central contracts and a full time selection committee for the first time in PCB history. He has been silent but had enough of Talat’s and Malik’s tactics and what he wrote in the email are what every cricket fan felt and what we already discussed here. India, no doubt is a superior team than Pakistan, they have probably the best openers and some of the best batsmen in the world but what surprised most was the strange selection and lack of fight by Pak team. I personally think that all 16 players should be selected by the selection committee and coach and captain should have a say in the final eleven. Pak selection committee headed by Slahuddin is doing a decent job but it’s the manager and captain who look at the domicile and recommendation of people in power to select the final eleven. If Nasim is one of the worst PCB administrators, Malik is no doubt the worst captain ever; he should be gone along with Talat, Akmal and Iftikhar. Bring Sarfaraz Ahmed (Best keeper in Pak), Sohail Khan (Best domestic bowler), Fawad Alam (Potentially best allrounder), and Numanullah (Best domestic batsman even if rather old) and oh, I forgot to mention the most important point here, Afridi for captain.

  122. #122 by Awas on June 12, 2008 - 1:46 PM

    Salim Altaf has been sacked for leaking that email…little that they know it was khansahab ;)- He was another official who was completely useless and inept. I once saw his one to one debate with Waqar Younis on TV and Waqar completely took him to task for being removed as a bowling coach.

    Naseem Ashraf must be reading us all ;)-

    The most interesting part for me in that email was “We were smiling and joking as if we were some junior team which was happy just to be given the privilege of playing a top team”. That sums it up the team’s spineless performance and attitude.

    It sounds strange coming out from me…but I would rather India beat Pakistan in the final too? That would definitely help in speeding up malk saab’s ouster, along with that budda manager who sits there all the time like a bump on a log. I am sure their days are numbered. Another good thing is after the leak of email and specific mention of ‘looking for another keeper’; Kamran Akmal’s is out too.

    Theossa

    For me Younus Khan is first choice…failing which Afridi.

    Sakthi

    Welcome aboard…it would be good to hear your views but how did you manage to find us as we are a very secretive club ;)-

    A score of 222 by Bangla…India will undoubtedly win but Bangla would definitely put a better show than Pakistan.

  123. #123 by Sakthi on June 12, 2008 - 2:11 PM

    Awas

    I am regular reader of cricinfo blogs. Got to know about this blog from Pakspin, I think. I am a regular visitor of this site since then. I just couldn’t resist my urge about commenting good cricket. I am a die hard cricket fan.

    Back to cricket. Indians on roll. 87/1 from 11 overs.

  124. #124 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2008 - 5:59 PM

    PIr Munir Rahmat Ullah Alai

    Yae baat Toofaan say pehlay ki nahee
    Toofaan kay baad ki khamooshi thee.

    Right after the India Pakistan match we had a huge hailstorm here and the power went off for 48 hours. The gushing winds were about 90 kmph resulting several trailer-trucks somersaulting and skidding over bridges. We have four bridges that connects the island of Montreal and one of them is 4 k.m. long 300 feet high and on it 7 trailer-trucks rolled sideways and almost, almost fell in the river St. Lawrence.

    Now after 48 hours the power has been restored more than 300,000 homes were without power. Some of the hailstones were as big as golf balls and hundreds and thousands of trees uprooted. The worst thing was, NO TV and NO computer. After a while cell phones were dead too, no battery. Thank God I have gas cooker so khana paani chalta reha.

    I have just read all the comments from you guys and also checked out the scores and the latest news from Saleem Altaf’s sacking to Malik’s leg pulling in a nutshell I would say “This was due, a long time ago” Nasim Ashraf should have not only sacked Saleem Altaf, but Talat Malik too. And, Shoaib Malik should also be sacked along with Kamran Akmal.

    That “Charsif’s” case is pending till Sunday, irrespective of what the outcome will be, DNA should announce his sacking for good along with the Show-Actor. Naghmi, Shaghmi should also go. Senior X players from the Pakistan team must be made the Directors of the PCB, like Waqar, Javed Miandad etc.

  125. #125 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2008 - 8:18 PM

    Sakthi

    The “rasm” of this blog is, anyone who joins and writes for the first time contributes an authentic recipe. Here, not everyone knows about “rasm” so you can write us an authentic “Upma” recipe or how to make good “sambar” that goes well with fried Idli or Vada. khansahab will be adding a new recipe page and it will gel with the hot gals because we want some female participation on the blog. Not expecting mummies and aunties because they are already great cooks, but amateurs like theossa’s dream girl natalie or abdul’s sapnaon ki Rani Mukerjee etc., might take a Peekaboo and say Wow!

    Don’t feel obliged if you don’t know, its just a joke. But, we are serious about creating a page for hot recipes. Munir has been throwing tantrums ever since he has heard about my culinary skills and gourmet cooking, he is insisting that we must create a page for that too. It was at the back of my mind, because I do write on a few cooking blogs as a free lancer, so why not here?

  126. #126 by khansahab on June 12, 2008 - 10:10 PM

    The new food blog is on live. Please visit and give your foody comments!

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