Testing Times

A LOT of people, including myself have been very critical towards Nasim Ashraf. The problem is in our thinking pattern. The reason is that, our minds have been conditioned like that. Just think of an “Angel” and imagine the picture. What do you see? We have been conditioned by the Christian pictorial representations of Angels. The moment we hear the word Angel and what comes to our mind? A picture of someone with an angelic face, long hair, wings and dressed in a flowing white robe appearing from the sky…..right? Our minds have been prepared to think like that. Now, erase that picture, descriptions of the angels vary immensely. Still, we cannot conceptualized it in a manner that is similar in my mind and yours and that is because we have been accustomed to use a picture when thinking about angels. Its also true that, a mind can only see what it is prepared to see.

The train derails and several hundred people die in a tragic accident, what is the first public reaction and demand? “The Transport Minister must resign with immediate effect.” There is a big fire in the school, the headmaster must resign, why? Because we have been programmed to react like that. Before we go into analyzing this scenario whether Dr. Nasim Ashraf should resign or be impeached along with Musharaf Parvez, lets look into the chain of events first and charge him guilty or hang him for the sins he has NOT committed.

1. It was Younus Khan who started the drill, he was pissed off by the former Chairman Shahriyar Khan whose office peon made him wait for 20 minutes. He went off in a huff-puff and refused to captain the team by saying he is not a dummy captain.
2. Shahriyar Khan resigned and DNA was appointed by the President as the new Chairman of the PCB. So, he took-over the charge as CEO under the most unpleasant circumstances and also inherited all the grumpy and corrupt seniors already holding senior positions in the board.
3. The team goes to India to play Champions Trophy and the two druggies were sent back for being tested positive for anabolic steroid (Nandrolone) and were banned.
4. The ban continued on them and not only the ICC but, WADA and CAS, except for the USA’s FBI, CIA, DEA all of them including the whole world, the whole media started talking about the Pakistani team. Not to mention Darel Hair’s Oval match forfeiture and Inzamam’s hearing in London. And the hiring of the expensive lawyers from the UK, all this was happening just when he took over the office.
5. That was not the ending. Somehow due to public pressure and loopholes in the ICC regulations the PCB was able to lift ban from these two druggies and were allowed to play in South Africa.
6. The team went to South Africa without Shoaib Akhtar and Shahid Afridi and then due to public demand and pressure from so many circles, DNA personally went to the ground to see the fitness level of Show-Actor whether he is really unfit or what? He proved his fitness and fooled DNA and fooled himself and, he was sent to South Africa. He took 4 wickets bowled only 12 overs and went into a huff-puff situation had a big fight with the coach Bob Woolmer and was sent back because he was unfit. Another unfit player was sent by the PCB officials i.e., Shabbir Ahmad. Good that he is gone forever now.
7. The fear of Asif and Aktar being banned if tested positive at the WC center stage because, Nandrolone is known to remain in the system for several months, DNA had no choice but to protect them at the advise of his colleagues who suggested to declare them unfit. Besides, neither Bob Woolmer nor Inzi were keen on taking them. Afridi was also banned for 4 matches, the two crucial matches at the WC that was a blow to the already injured team. We all know what happened in the WC.
8. Bob Woolmer died under mysterious circumstance and once again the whole team had to go through such a torrid experience and once again this happened when DNA has hardly settled in his office.
9. Immediately after the WC, Inzi announced his retirement as he wanted to be known as PirZamam. Younus Khan was asked to lead and once again he declined to accept the captaincy role. He emphasized that he doesn’t want to be a dummy captain.
10. The PCB, after experiencing Inzi’s domination over the players and the officials, they wanted to give Younus Khan a title without power, “responsibility without authority.” Its impossible because, responsibility and authority go hand in hand. He realized that its better to be in the team as a player rather than being a dummy captain.
11. Afridi, a strong contender for that post, is another stubborn, rather obstinate “Akhroat” a hard nut to crack, he would never “bend over backwards” like Malik. He would never listen to the PCB buffoons, hence he was not selected. DNA himself being a Pushtoon never pushed his case further otherwise they would have targeted him for being jingoistic.
12. Malik (the baby face boy who once said, “If Inzi Bhai wants me to open …. I will open {my trousers} for him.”) was the only choice for them, rather the ideal person who is very submissive and most obedient to his superiors.
13. He has created history by beating the minnows 12 straight wins and then he has also created history by getting thrashed by India with biggest margin ever. Also, for losing on Indian soil after 26 years.
14. Then, in the T20 WC the Show-Actor launched another ugly episode by hitting another druggie with a cricket bat. He was sent back. The team however gelled well because Umar Gul and Shahid Afridi bowled well and Misbah batted well. Afridi was declared Player of the Tournament and that scared Malik a lot, he thought Afridi would take over the role of captaincy from him and he started playing petty politics. Because Malik is not performing as a batsman and he is not bowling at all. He is afraid that if he bowls, his bowling will expose him further and he would be out of the team.
15. Nasim Ashraf was again confronted by the ugly incident when the Show-Actor, who splattered baseless, unjust comments against him and also threatened to sue him. While handling the whole team was one big effort, managing a druggie menace was even bigger, every now and then he (Akhtar) used to accuse someone or the other.
16. Nasim Ashraf Pardoned him and sent him to play for the IPL, he was not fit again. He couldn’t bowl more than 4 overs. Rumours were circulating about the needles that he was reportedly carrying in his bag.
17. To make the situation even worst DNA had to deal with the junior druggie who was so drunk that he was not aware whether the direct flight from Delhi to Lahore is the shortest or Delhi to Lahore via Dubai is the shortest? Its a journey of his life now.

In short what I was trying to say here is, Dr. Nasim Ashraf did not get enough time to look outwards or to pay attention to his team, he was forced to see inwards which is so full of dirt, muck and so full of garbage – politics. I am glad that he kicked out Saleem Altaf. There are more morons like him who needs to leave that place for good. Not only the PCB, the team also needs to be restructured.

The first thing he should do is remove Sissy Malik from the team. Or, at least suspend him for 8 – 10 matches for lying about his fitness and also for poor show. Kamran Akmal is his most favourite buddy and he needs to give Malik some company otherwise Malik would be sulking alone. Definitely Talat Ali needs to give company Geoff Lawson and both should be sent on a holiday at their own expense, in other words they should be asked to leave w.e.f.

These are the hypothesis based on the facts and my view is, Nasim Ashraf must stay as the CEO of the PCB to prepare a team not only for the Asia Cup or the Champions Trophy but, for the 2011 WC. You as bloggers may continue to comment on the India / Pakistan final to be played on June 14th on this thread. But, please also keep this thread alive and don’t hesitate to air your comments about this important subject, as the future of Pakistan cricket team rests on the anvil of emotions and we need to phrase and rephrase the verses that will be like a poetry in motion. Whether our views are read, heard or get any heed or not, is not important. We express our views and discuss them in utmost sincerity and we hope to see a fair selection in the team and also a good performance from them. With time our bloggers will increase, (they already have) like we have some +ive energy in seeing “Sakhti” on the blog.

  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2008 - 10:19 AM

    A kick in the butt often wakes slumberous talents. But, the snoozing Talat Ali’s biggest talent is to wear dark sunglasses so that he cannot be noticed whether he is slumbering while the match is on or, leering at someone? Even after receiving an angry email from Nasim Ashraf he responded to the media thus: “The board takes notice when we lose and even when we win, so it is not a big thing. It is the right of the (PCB) chairman to know what’s going and what is happening wrong.”

    Seems like Talat is still dreaming and talking in his sleep. When asked about the team, Talat responded: “the players’ morale is high and the team would go in the final fully confident of beating India. Just like Lawson predicted a 150 run victory – which turned out to be a 140 run defeat!

    Why is Talat so confident about victory now? Because after seeing Malik bowled for an hour in the practice session he said, “if it be necessary for him to bowl, he will certainly bowl in the match.” Like a lawyer would pick up words from a sentence, I am doing khansahab’s job, “be it necessary” does not mean it is imperative or absolutely necessary.

    Jean Baudrillard, a French philosopher said: “A society which allows an abominable event to burgeon from its dung heap and grow on its surface is like a man who lets a fly crawl unheeded across his face or saliva dribble from his mouth – either epileptic or dead.” One needs to experiment this by letting a few flies crawl on Talat’s face or may be a few maggots and see what happens next.

  2. #2 by Sakthi on June 13, 2008 - 11:00 AM

    I agree with you. Nasim Ashraf should be given enough time to prove his abilities but sticking with Shoiab Malik as captain for so long is a real surprise. He should be dropped from captaincy, let him play as an all-rounder in the team. I always felt that he was a better player before he was made as a captain.

    I have a gut feeling that Pakistan is going to thrash India in the final. Sohail Tanvir is going to run through the Indian top order. Afridi is going to spank the Indian bowlers all over the park. The problem Pakistan will face is that they have not seen much of Praveen Kumar and Piyush Chawla. If Pakistan batsmen handle these two well and take the wickets of Sehwag and Gambhir cheaply, then they are in with a real chance. Sohail Tanvir will be the key for tomorrow’s match.

    Javed A. Khan

    In reply to your message from the previous blog:

    I have not really had a chance to cook in my entire life, I eat well though. I am zero if you ask me cook but I will collect some tips from my mama and post recipe for some of the delightful south Indian dishes. Talking about food, I always feel that south Indian foods are more filling than north Indian foods like roti/naan, karahi. Vadi is one of my favourite foods but I am afraid to have more than one piece because it is fried in oil. I also had chance to eat some of the Pakistani food (Kabab, Tikka) when I was in New York but nothing satisfies me like Idly-Sambar.

    For some reason, tasty foods are not healthy and healthy foods are not tasty!

    Btw, TThhaannkk yyoouu for putting my name in the main blog. I owe you 1000 dollars. 🙂

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2008 - 12:51 PM


    You should know that being a banker I will start adding interest on the 1000 dollars you owe me.

    Your views about Pakistan winning tomorrow is hopefully not a reverse thinking (totka) jinx? Well, Pakistan did play very badly that day and deserved to be treated like that, especially if as a captain Malik refused to bowl just 4 balls, I mean how much more cowardice can one show ? Cowardice may be considered to be prudence that does not take consequences to their furthest extent, yet Malik crossed all the limits of cowardliness and still wants to lead from the back. Sorry, thats not the way you lead, thats the way you retreat.

    Younus may or may not play as Talat Ali hinted, there will be some changes in the team for the final. I reckon whatever happens, Sohail Khan will be in either in place of Wahab Riaz or to fill in Younus Khan’s place. A better strategy would be to replace a bowler with a bowler or at least by an all-rounder. If YK goes out then Nasir Jamshed has a chance to open with Butt.

    This time Mohammad Yousuf will score and so will Misbah. I am not sure about Afridi unless he opens the innings with Butt and bats like a berserker from the outset. He comes in at number 7 when there is a lot of pressure to score or only a few overs are left. He needs to open his shoulders against the fast bowlers and slog it out during the power play. In any case his bowling is more of an asset than his batting, if he scores it should be considered as a bonus.

    As regards Praveen Kumar’s bowling, he is another mediocre like Joginder Sharma and both have been lucky to get wickets. The reason both get wickets is because they are very unassuming and the batsmen try to hit them over the park and get deceived by the slower pace with which they bowl. I would say RP and Goni are anytime better than the two. Chawla is more intelligent than Kumar and Sharma, he is always reading the batsman’s mind. Only an Akhroat like Afridi can jump out of his crease to slog and get beaten and bruised. Thats why Afridi at the top is better than Afridi in the middle, he won’t have to deal with the spinners if they bowl with the new ball it doesn’t spin that much yet it bounces well and comes to the middle of his bat.

    Gambhir and Sehwag have developed a good understanding between the two of them and they not only score big, they also score singles and frustrate the opposition. Tanvir can only be effective if he retains his calm like he did during the IPL, but right now he is showing a lot of attitude and looks very grumpy and lashes out his frustration over the junior players for no reason. This is a big mistake he is committing same mistakes just like Actor and Asif. He should not get bogged down with this kinda arrogance, in fact he should learn a lesson from these two and remain humble and kind towards his juniors.

  4. #4 by Awas on June 13, 2008 - 12:51 PM


    You are being very generous by saying Pakistan will win. I don’t think so. I think India will and I will prefer them to win anyway for reasons mentioned earlier.

    As far as food goes I love masala dosa and Idly-Sambar, our whole family like it.

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2008 - 4:35 PM

    This is slightly off the topic, still it is about Pakistan cricket and I want to share this with you guys. Here is an excerpt from Geoffrey Boycott’s programme and his views about Shahid Afridi.

    Akhila Ranganna: The next question is from Naseeh, who asks: why do you think Shahid Afridi – who he thinks is one of the greatest hitters of the ball ever in the history of the game – is not performing? Do you think he should be dropped from the team? Or should he change his game or quit trying to hit the ball for six in all directions?

    Geoffrey Boycott: He can’t change his game because he is a hitter of the ball. He is a wonderful hitter and I think he is one of the biggest hitters that the game has seen. He has a wonderful physique and is a strong lad. But he has no brain. He can’t think. He can’t stop swiping even if you stood on his shoulder and told him not to hit the ball before the bowler bowled.

    I love him to bits and I think he is a smashing lad. He has the gift of natural hand-eye co-ordination to hit the ball, but I am sorry, God didn’t give him a cricket brain to think his way through cricket situations. He doesn’t have a cricket brain to play technique cricket, so he cannot change. I think he has a natural skill at bowling. But I am afraid, Naseeh, that you and I, and lots of his fans have to love him for what he is, not for what we’d like him to be.

    For full version please click on this link below:

  6. #6 by Amit. P on June 13, 2008 - 4:58 PM

    At few times, Boycott makes sense …. he is dead rite here ab’t afridi … it will be good for afridi fans if they start thinking on the line of boycott … they have to cope with less frustration. Me too was thinking to put his words in this thread.
    I got this feeling ab’t final that pakistan gonna put a great effort in the match but not sure ab’t their chance of winning. If they send indian openers early (say within 30 runs) then two youngesters will be in the middle .. sharma and raina (if dhoni persist on not sending yuvraj early) .. then a great match will be in our hands.

    And DNA is working hard to make my prediction true …. malik wont lead in champs. trophy 😉

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2008 - 5:41 PM


    this is exactly what I have been saying from the very beginning and thats the main reason I wanted to share Boycott’s opinion, because people tend to pay more attention when the words are flowing from the mouth of VIP’s and celebrities.

    I have said this on numerous occasions that Afridi was playing in the Caribbean for Pakistan under 19 as a leg spinner. When Mushtaq Ahmad was injured, as a replacement Afridi was called in to Kenya to play against Sri Lanka and he shot to stardom after making 100/37. People started believing and bragging about him as an all-rounder. He has proved to be one but, on a very inconsistent basis. His real ability is to spin the ball and no one at the moment spins better than him.

    Also, I have been raving and ranting from the beginning that in the shorter versions of the game he could best be utilized if he opens the innings. More than him being impatient, the selectors, fans and public in general have become more and more impatient about his batting. They all want him to score big. They keep shuffling his batting order and thereby he has lost his confidence in his own batting. I am sure he can regain his form with one good performance.

    Thanks to Ravi Shastri who was commentating that match in Kenya and he started calling him BOOM BOOM Afridi, since then its his name. Thats not fair. He is an entertainer and he hits the ball hard and long. But, to expect him play every innings like that is like living in a fools paradise.

    A lot of people said that his 100/37 was a fluke and only a one time effort and started calling him one trick pony. He silenced his critics by scoring another mammoth innings at Kanpur against India and that is 100/45. Although I don’t consider him as an all-rounder but stats guru’s and cricket pundits often talk about his achievements in numbers and according to them After Jayasuriya and Jacques Kallis, Tabarnak Shahid Afridi is the third player to score 5456 runs and 234 wickets in ODI’s.

  8. #8 by theossa on June 13, 2008 - 6:11 PM

    Sakthi: I’m sure you were sarcastic when you predicted a Pak win tomorrow. This team without Tendulkar, Ganguly, Harbhajan, Dravid, and Kumble is still strong enough to hammer Pakistan again but like Amit pointed out if Pak somehow remove the openers early then they have a shot.

    Javed: Good points and references in support of Afridi. I have been saying this also, on subcontinent wickets Afridi should open. He can play down the order in tests and in other countries. It’s hard to tell whether this is his choice or a captain and management decision.

    Awas: I hope Pak loses because of the same points you brought up, “I is agree”. If that happens there will be pressure on PCB to make some changes for the Champions Trophy. My first choice would also be Younis Khan, then Afridi, then MoYo but don’t know what will make Younis change his mind this time around? MoYo seems a softy and that leaves us with Afridi.

    I’m excited too see Sohail Khan for the first time.

  9. #9 by Mohammed Munir on June 13, 2008 - 6:15 PM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ Pir Munir Rahmat Ullah Alai. (Pir Saab Aangay, Tay Mithay Chawal Khaangay).

    I hope all is well now, and I pray that you are safe and sound Inshallah.

    Although, it’s only fare that you guys sitting in Montreal Canada, should also experience the ground-reality of electricity ‘load-shedding’ created by the ‘Wah-Phada’ in Pakistan 😉

    A Sorry (Asaf) Storey…

    Well living in UAE and having my own ‘reliable’ sources of information, it is now a confirmed news that our national hero, ‘Asaf’ took a few ‘Choosskey’ of whiskey on his flight from India to Dubai. So on arrival at the Dubai International Airport, Asaf was really Asaf (sorry), and a bit boozed. He had a minor disagreement about an enquiry regarding his passport and visa papers from one of the local Immigration Officers. Now Javed Khan will know that not only Asaf have an attitude, but our local Arab Immigration Offers also carry some ego. In a fit of moment and owing to His Drunkard High-ness, Asaf slapped the local officer, thinking he is on Pakistan Airport and this is my father’s country. But unfortunately, this action was taken as a disgrace against the law officer, which is no less a crime. Now after a through checking of HDH’s luggage and personal belongings, the Immigration found what they were looking for.

    In this background, Asaf was taken in, more to teach him a lesson, more then anything else.

    PCB, who themselves, are fed-up with these uneducated and illiterate heroes, had been a quite spectators and were even happy on the entire episode, because someone else was washing their dirty laundry for them.

    So for PCB, it was a case of a parent taking their spoilt kid to a school and telling the teacher, that “Hadiaan Hamaari and Chumri Tumari”, meaning that this is my spoilt kid whom I can not control or tame, so you be tough teacher with him and do whatever you deem fit to him, so much so, that he is disciplined.

    On PCB …

    PCB (Pathetic, Cunning, Baast…) is in doldrums once again. Show-Actor’s ban and lifting of it, Asaf episode in Dubai, DNA’s email leaked, Salim Altaf sacking and his planning a counter case on PCB, I mean it seems we are all over the news for all the wrong reasons, AGAIN.

    But as Awas mentioned here that if loosing the final to India can help bring about the required changes and rid us from this ‘meesna’ captain, then be it. We are ready to loose one more game to India for the sake of it 

    Sakthi …

    Welcome to this blog, and it is really nice to see a lot of Indian around. In my opinion, this is a best blog around, and you are free to deviate from cricket like a free spirit.

    BTW, where are Phirwohi, Sulman Khan and Pundit these days? This being India and Pakistan matches, it would have been nice to hear the other side of the story from across the border.

    Khan Sahab & Javed Khan …

    Many thanks to both of you KHANs, for introducing the Bavarchi KHAN.

    This blog have all the ingredients of making it the top blog around. For us Asians, I mean all Pakistanis and most of Indians too, we have major liking for FOODS, all types and sizes.

    Aap Logoun Nain Bookhoun Ko Khana Kilaya, Allah Aap Ka Bhala Karay 😉

  10. #10 by theossa on June 13, 2008 - 7:05 PM

    The whole thread sounds like DNA put a jinx on Pak Cricket but reality is quality and application is lacking from our team. Only good backups will promote competition and competition will promote quality of player. Fear (even that of losing your job) is something that always drives people to get better. No accountability means lack of application and corruption. Anyways, my prediction India wins the final tomorrow but a close one. Have a nice weekend, if weather permits I’m going golfing. U.S. Open has created a little hype so I’ll use my Driver and No.3 Iron to hit golf like Afridi hits cricket ball.

  11. #11 by Praveen on June 13, 2008 - 7:27 PM

    Hi guys,
    I am new to this blog. I am a die-hard cricket fan and follow all the blog in cricinfo regularly. I also used to visit Pakspin as that that is where most interesting action used to take place. I am also reading this blog from long ago but never had any intention to post anything as i used to hate Javed Khan because of his anti-India propaganda. But after seeing his comments so far on this blog I changed my opinion that he does all that because others provoked him. Also I liked the quality of discussion going on here which is different from cricinfo as most of the bloggers there are more focussed on flaming others than discussing cricket. I hope to get along well with all of you.

    Regarding this thread i too agree that DNA did not have any time to settle and take rational decisions to make Pak team progress. But i also doubt his intentions for pak cricket. If you look into solutions he came up for the problems that arised during his tenure , none of them were dealt with properly. Most of them were temporary solutions and others were just meant to cover the issues like pasting paper on cracks of wall to make it look good. Also in the recent e-mail saga, the e-mail was made public. There is no need to make it public , if his only intention is to give a warning to the team for their pathetic performance against india.I will not be so optimistic as to consider him a victim of circumstances and give him a clean chit.
    About the final between India-Pakistan, I dont think pakistan has a chance to beat india, not under malik’s captaincy. He is such a coward that even a miracle of quick fire century from Afridi cant save them.
    Javed, about your comments on Praveen and Jogi, i agree that jogi does have talent but praveen is different. It is true batmen are underestimating him and going after him but he also has good cricketing brain.Unlike jogi he has god control over his line and length, can seam the ball both in and out, keeps his cool under tense conditions and tricks batsmen. He is most successful bowler over the last couple of years in domestic cricket against all the batsmen that are in the current indian squad(rohit sharma,shewag,raina etc).You can see his skill and deceptiveness from the way he made ponting get out in similar fashion three time in a row in cb series. even through he lacks on speed he makes up for it by his deceptiveness. Also his speed is increasing from the time he first played international matches. So i think he is a real prospect for the future. I agree with you on piyush through. He has quite good brain and temper.
    Also i dont think sending afridi as opener is a good idea. It may be good idea to bring the most out him, but from the team prospect it is not good idea to loose a wicket quickly after the start as it will put the team under pressure. Our team did the same mistake with sehwag in the past before dropping him that he would give explosive starts which will win matches. more often than not he failed leading to his expulsion from the team. I think it would be better idea to use him in the lower order as a bowler who can bat and sending him to boost the score in the end of the innings.
    I guess for a first timer i wrote quite long post.I hope it is not boring.

  12. #12 by khansahab on June 13, 2008 - 8:30 PM


    Welcome to LS. We are pleased to have you on board here.

    The main reason why we started Legslip was because we feel it is absurd that passionate cricket writers have to adhere to character limitations. If you have something to say and feel passionate about it, why must you be limited in your expression?

    This is a site that has something for everyone. We also feel that, apart from discussing cricket we should also discuss females, cars and food. Hence the “Hot Gals and Cars” and “Bavarchi Khan” page.

    Why don’t you tell us a bit more about yourself? What you do, where you live etc. You can find more about Legslip management on the link towards the top of the site.

    Although I support Pakistan I try and be as fair and balanced in my arguments and I believe India and Pakistan will gain more by being friends rather than enemies. I also used to think Javed A Khan has a grudge against India but now that I know Mr Khan closely, I can see he only used to utter bitter words against India in retaliation. I am not saying this because he is a manager here or because I want to butter him, but he is a very learned and decent person. People can think he is biased against India or any nationality or ethnicity but when you know him closely you realise that is not the case. Similarly I might appear as biased against Maliks and Choudharys, but I am sure Javed A Khan and Awas as well as other LS members here know that is not the case. It is not a specific caste, ethnicity or nationality we are against. It is the ideology of ignorance, arrogance, abusive behaviour, intolerance, double standards, unfairness, discrimination etc that we are against.

    I am not as mature or learned as my comments may suggest. I have yet to learn a lot about life and “growing up”. But whatever education or maturity I have attained thus far has indeed taught me that all sorts of people exist everywhere, in every country, every religion and every province. The same goes to Javed A Khan and Awas here as well, they obviously are more learned and experienced than myself so this experience and wisdom has taught them the virtues of decency, respect for others and humility.

  13. #13 by Praveen on June 13, 2008 - 9:23 PM

    I forgot to mention it in the previous post.
    I am a university student doing my graduation in computer sciences in IIIT Hyderabad which is a reputed college in India.(i am not good at studies though).
    As the name suggests it is in Hyderabad which i am sure you all know because of dummy captain malik’s marriage controversy if not for its reputation.
    I am not that interested in cars or girls as i always find some kind of flaw in them.At times i think i am a some kind of perfectionist which i don’t want to be.
    Even through i love foods, i am vegetarian and have limitations in that section as well.
    But i may acquire interest in them if tag along you guys as seem quite passionate about them.

  14. #14 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 13, 2008 - 9:25 PM

    Since I am a patient and have so many Doctors as my friends, I will add DNA as one more and warn you all not to utter a word against him or else…..

    Javed A. Khan had accurately predicted that Asif Ali Zardari will have 10% come what may… see he is right, we lost by 140 runs and not by 150!!

    More later…

  15. #15 by Salman Khan on June 13, 2008 - 9:36 PM

    Gosh Javed ,I almost copy-pasted Boycott’s comments about Afridi as well. I do not think that one needs to say anything more. And you are right , although that first innings of Afridi was once in a century innings , it sort of planted him on a high pedestal vey very early in his career. For a long time fans in other cricketing countries thought of him as a Batsman who could bowl as well , where in fact it was the other way round.

    I did mention in one of my earlier comments that I am not a cosmopolitan foodie but I do cook a mean Black Pepper Chicken . A recipe which I started trialling during my Boarding School days in Dehradun and prefected several years later during my higher education in Aligarh and I will be happy to share it with you guys. Unlike the usual Pepper Chicken it is a dry item which can be eaten as a snack and is also skin free and therefore healthy.

    The thng about unpredictable teams is that you never know when they hit the peak. I am not completely sure if India are absoultely certain to win against Pak in the final , the recent crushing defeat notwithstanding. Just the fact that Pak are playing India will elevate their intensity by 20-30%. You never know ,”Butterfingers” Akmal may take a diving catch of Sehwag down the legside , Tanveer may be unplayable ,Yousuf may make a 120 ball hundred ,Afridi may score 70 odd in 35 balls and Malik may perform a diving “still in the air” run out of Yuvraj. It has happened before and may happen again. India have done amazing things in recent times but with these one-off finals one never know. The key , as usual , would be to bat first and get a decent score on board.

  16. #16 by Awas on June 13, 2008 - 9:49 PM


    Just a little warning, don’t believe a word what Khansahab tells you about that horrid Javed A Khan…he is just “bettering” him…but all he said about me is all true though ;)- No really…Javed is not as bad as he himself makes out to be sometimes.

    On Pakspin, sometimes he and even I have given tit for tat to some Indians but to be honest with you guys that were simply retorts to prejudicial snide remarks made by them. We are all big enough to accept constructive criticism but when some Indians/Pakistanis start small minded jingoism, that becomes intolerable. We are basically same people divided by a line…all that animosity from some is quite unnecessary. By the way, Khansahab is being modest about himself.

    Its really good to have you here too with Sakthi and other Indian regulars and it will be nice to know a bit more about you guys…where you live and what you do etc etc (and sex?…male or female, not how many times) ;)-


    That 10% was a good one…LOL

  17. #17 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 1:16 AM

    Wow, there are so many comments from so many people and I won’t be able to respond to all of them, hence I will make an effort to summarize my comments here. But, first for the new guest.


    Thank you for hating me, I am like your “Muru Gun” so, I will say, “eye yum like dis won-lee.” So, we have people from Charminar and Qutub Minar, from Delhi to Chennai and From Australia to Canada and the US. Anyways, welcome to you on the blog Praveen. Your comments about the players shows your interest in the game and like most Indian die hard cricket fans your analysis of the game is also good. Mughambo Khush hoa! As regards PakSpin, I will write about it some other time.

    Praveen, I do have sympathies for that person whose daughter Malik got married and then denied, because one my neighbours here is from your city and he said, he knows that family and they don’t lie for nothing and why would they? After all its about his daughter’s chastity. Anyways, thats a separate issue.

    Salman Khan

    I can write some very simple basic recipes both vegetarian and non-veg and you can make them at ease. Like my dada jaan (I never saw him) used to say a recipe should not be complicated it must be so easy that anyone can make it and he coined a word for it, “Fil-faora” meaning “instant ready.” The only thing I am concerned about is the photographs of those dishes, I may have dumped the photos I took earlier. But, I do have a digital camera and all the gizmos and gadgets, so I will keep in mind to take a few snaps for the blog next time. So watch out that “foodie” column, we need to change its name, its too long to go with the hot gals.

    About Shahid Afridi and the team you guys have said enough already and my adding something more will be superfluous so better cross our fingers for tomorrow’s match. I would say it would be a close match and once again India are favourites. Unless miracles happen and that would be good for Malik and bad for Pakistani team’s future. A defeat would be like the last straw that breaks the camel’s back.


    You and your golf balls, I have a good one and I think khansahab should create a “Jokes” column too so that we can write a few corny jokes BUT, within limits. We have seniors here like Mr. Kasim and we should not forget about him.

    Missing Pandit jee its been a long time that he is slumbering or hibernating whatever. Aur phirwohi has disappeared after being the best man for his friend’s wedding. Don’t know who went on the honeymoon with whom?

  18. #18 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 3:23 AM

    Here is an excerpt from today’s daily “The News” from Pakistan its mainly concerning Geoff Lawson and his problems in handling the team as a coach.

    Quote: “Another major problem for Lawson is that several of the team’s senior players are also ganging up against him.

    The senior players, who are also unhappy with skipper Shoaib Malik, are pushing for a change at the helm of the Pakistan team.

    There is a possibility that if Lawson is given the axe then Malik might also be sacked as Pakistan captain. The coach and captain are not the only one under the magnifying glass ahead of today’s final.” Unquote.

    Following is the link if one needs to read the whole story:

    Now, this is a very old tactics to get the public attention and to get the focus away from you. Talk about a conspiracy theory and people will start thinking on those lines. Invariably whenever the team performs badly, Shoaib Malik comes up with this theory that the senior players are not cooperating and pushing for a change. When he was winning against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh he never mentioned about it.

    Himself he has scored 53 runs in the last match and he thinks that he is immune from criticism and those who did not score are ganging up against him and the coach and trying to fail him. What is silly is, every single player knows that if he performs badly then he is out. So no one deliberately plays badly except for being lethargic and for that the PCB has this time warned, “No player should take his place in the Pakistan team for granted,” said the official. “Only good form and fitness will guarantee a place in the Asia Cup squad.”

    I think Malik is a cry baby and this is all very sissy because the whole world watched the match and they know how Malik was handling his team. He has no idea about bowling change, field placement and all he can do is apply defensive tactics. When he looses he shows no remorse no guilt but, we are learning and Inshallah we will win. Its good to say Inshallah but what about your efforts? He has no imagination, no guts, nothing.

  19. #19 by Sakthi on June 14, 2008 - 4:52 AM


    You did not use any smiley symbol at the end of your line You should know that being a banker. Are you taking my words seriously? 😦

    Regarding the final, I know the current Indian team is stronger than the current Pakistani team. My heart says that India will win but somewhere in the corner of my heart I have a fear that Pakistan is going to upset Indians in the final. I say this because both India and Pakistan are very unpredictable teams and we all like them because they are unpredictable. One day we play like as if there is no tomorrow and another day we look like mediocre minnows. Who wants to be like Australia? – in the sense there won’t be any interest if you win all the games like the Aussies do – you can tell the result even before the match starts.

    Praveen Kumar does not have speed, I agree, but he is very intelligent, can swing the ball either ways plus he bowls in very good areas. Talking about Afridi, I like his body language. He is a good fielder and bowling well. Why cannot we just treat him as a bowler cum fielder? Whatever comes of his bat is a bonus. How come he cannot control his aggression after playing cricket for these many years? Even, Tendulkar on his early days went after everything but got matured as he grew, now he is one of the legendary cricketers.

    The difference in the batting line up of current Pakistan team and the old Pakistan team is the great Inzi. He won many matches for Pakistan single handily, especially against India.

    For Pakistan to win tomorrow, Malik needs to utilize his bench strength well. I was just thinking, can India win if Malik captains India? or can Pakistan lose if Dhoni captains Pakistan?

    4 hours to go. Lets wait and see.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 9:11 AM


    I don’t use icons that often but if you understand my dark humour then you really don’t need one. After all in the good old days when people used to write letters with a ‘fountain pen’ they never used to put smiley icons or a wink after every sentence, you ought to understand the satire. Our friend Munir from Sharjah floods the icons. Anyways, I have taken your words seriously thats why I am responding.

    On your question why can’t Afridi control his aggression after playing cricket for so many years? This is one thing which bothers everyone but, you will understand that some of the Afridi Pathans are still very hot headed and they don’t understand logic. But, at the moment its his form which is lacking and he needs to get back into his groove, probably today is the day!

    Pakistan has won the toss and decided to bat first there is a slight delay due to the drizzle but the match is on and it seems like a high scoring affair. Malik has been harshly criticized and its a very important match for him and Lawson. So lets see what happens today.


    finally some sense has prevailed and both boards have agreed to change the ball after 30 overs instead of 34, there you go. The rules should be flexible enough to accommodate a fair play. The match is on, once again its the same old face of Kamran Akmal with Butt. Two balls of Praveen Kumar and no run. See you guys later.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 9:32 AM

    Both openers are under tremendous pressure and not middling the bat, shots are very edgy and thats a bad sign for Pakistan in the 6th over they are 14/0. Indian fielding and bowling is very accurate, it seems like a wicket is due any moment especially the way Kamran Akmal is playing his shots.

    Keep writing your views and we will try to update instantly.

    Pathetic batting by Pakistanis 9 overs and only 29 runs. They are adding pressure on the players who will bat later. They simply cannot connect the bat with the ball or they are hitting straight in to the hands of the fielders.

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 9:51 AM

    FINALLY, Akmal deserved what he got. Now in comes Dummy Khan who has scored zero in both matches and has played only one ball ! They are going to attack him. I think he might play an innings today. Lets see.

  23. #23 by Amit. P on June 14, 2008 - 10:28 AM

    Hmm .. tight bowling by P. kumar and ishant .. but india need wicket. Younus opened his account in quite a style and raises his bat .. LOL
    its chawla time now …
    c u guys in a while

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 11:02 AM

    The way the Pakistani players are playing today with 4 runs an over average, trying to keep wickets in hand, is a decade old style for the ODI’s. In those days 240 – 250 was a good total to defend, but not anymore after the T20 style of batting. You score 300 and you still are not sure of defending it especially on a wicket like this which is good for batsmen. India has proved a few days ago by scoring 330 on this same wicket. They could have easily made 370 – 380 had Afridi and Rao Ifti not slowed down their momentum.

    Having said this I am not going to take away the good bowling and excellent fielding by the Indians. They have thrown caution to the wind, the Pakistanis in playing Praveen Kumar who bowled six overs so far, one maiden and only ten runs. The fielding is so immaculate today (barring a dropped catch by Rohit) that they are not allowing the Pakistanis to free their arms.

    Praveen of Hyderabad,

    To answer your question about PakSpin, you may check out the latest comments on PakSpin by a Taleban and scroll up and check out my two comments and see if I have provoked any blogger personally? This Taleban is only one guy who keep changing his name and his only pleasure is to ooze out and drool filth against me personally. Sometimes he uses Pakistani names and sometimes Indian names and you can ask Awas and khansahab who he is? We call him a “girgit” chameleon he is a choora (bhangi) from Icchraa, a slum of Lahore. So, what else would you expect from him? His staple diet is in the buckets that he carry on his shoulders and thats what he oozes out.

    Finally Younus Khan is clicking today a couple of sixes and his confidence must be sky high. Like I said, today he might score big, thats how he survived in the team. Remember his Mohali test followed by two big hundreds and one double hundred at Kolkata and Bangalore. Right now he is turning it on, the scoring rate has accelerated suddenly.

    Keep writing………..

  25. #25 by Praveen on June 14, 2008 - 11:20 AM

    Javed I started writing because i understood it is not your fault about thow things went in pakspin.I enjoyed your posts even on pakspin. I like way you use famous quotes and good logic to get the upperhand over those who try to belittle you . You can consider me your fan in a sense.

    Coming to match , Butt and Younis seems to up the tempo. They seem to take on spinners quite easily and the lack fiftth bowler is becoming a disadvantage.But i think it is too late as there are only 7-8 overs of spinners.

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 11:51 AM

    The momentum is now shifting, its good that they decided to go onslaught after the third power play instead of waiting till the 40th over. If they play sensibly then they can score 320 plus from here. Rameez Raja is now saying even a mere 300 is not a defend able total against the formidable Indian batting line up.

    Rohit must be cursing himself for the chance he offered to Butt. In the previous match, the same batsman, same bowler and same fielder and it was a stunning catch, it would have been a repeat performance had Rohit held the catch, but Butt survived. I saw the replay a few times and noticed that the ball popped out of Rohit’s right hand because his foot wasn’t anchored properly, in fact it slipped at the very moment the ball touched his hand. Unlike the other day he took that left handed catch while still Air Bourne.

    Butt and Younus are nearing to accomplish personal milestones and after scoring 100 each they must accelerate further. Its time for Afridi to come and not Mohammad Yousuf. Lets see.

  27. #27 by Amit. P on June 14, 2008 - 12:05 PM

    Pakistan is rite back in the game after slow start …. younus khan wow!! … great display of controlled aggression …. effortlessly …. they need to carry it on though .. 300 is on the card if not more …. On the other hand india need to hold their nerves in last ten overs. Younus too got his 100 .. great inning ! Tight fielding in these overs is going to be key.

  28. #28 by Praveen on June 14, 2008 - 12:07 PM

    I dont expect such an intelligent thinking from malik. At best he will send misbah up the order. I think malik hates afridi and this is perfect cgance for him to make a fool of afridi by giving medicore chances

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 1:04 PM


    there are so many brains behind a dumb one thats why. In my opinion they could have scored 330 ………

    Arun Lal is interviewing YK right now and WoW, YK is talking about the same thing I wrote an hour ago, he is talking about his Mohali performance when he scored zero and dropped two simple catches, one of them was of Sachin’s when he was on 9 and went on to score 91 odd runs. Everyone was demanding YK’s scalp, but in Kolkata and Bangalore he silenced all his critics.

    Now, Pakistan has to bowl intelligently. They should have included that peroxide boy, Sohail Khan instead of Fawad Alam, because Alam’s bowling is mediocre and on this track today Piyush Chawala gave away 85 runs in 10 overs and did not get a wicket. So, beware Shahid Afridi, Fawad Alam and Malik, you may not be able to handle Yuvraj, Yousuf Pathan and Dhoni when you come in to bowl. I have no hopes from Tanvir, but Gul could be lethal and Rao could be economical. In any case this would be an interesting encounter.

    Remember in Dhaka when Pakistan scored 300 plus with Saeed Anwar and Ijaz scoring 100’s, Indian managed to snatch a victory in the last over. Could they repeat the same performance? India and Pakistan have played 7 finals in different tournaments and Pakistan has won 5 times and India has won twice.

    Most conservative Indian fans would say Pakistan has the upper hand, but I would say before a ball being bowled in India’s innings that it is a fifty fifty chance for both. Unless, the opening pair gets out cheaply. Still, India has enough depth in their batting, right up to Piyush Chawla.

  30. #30 by Praveen on June 14, 2008 - 1:28 PM

    Indian innings started just now and they started it on good note with a four. Hope both sehwag and gambir carry on where they left last match.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 3:41 PM

    The proverbial expression, ‘a cat has nine lives’ Youvraj got 5 thats because the umpire Nadir Shah has made up his mind that he will not give an LBW decision in favour of Shahid Afridi. Three times plumb and you can’t ask for anything more. Then he got 2 lives, one run out chance and one caught and bowled chance both times the culprit was rookie Fawad Alam.

    If you give Yuvraj that much leverage and that many chances he is going to hammer you down. Pakistan is under pressure now with Dhoni to follow, Pakistan’s bowling and fielding in total disarray.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 5:24 PM

    My commiseration to the Indian fans, Pakistan has once again proved that when they are pushed into the corner they fight back like tigers. The way the PCB Chairman, selectors and team manager were rejoicing after the victory it makes me feel that once again they will become complacent and nothing much will be done. It be difficult to say who would be the man of the match i.e., between the two centurions and Umar Gul’s 4 wicket haul. But, I have a feeling that Younus Khan will be declared man of the match.

    Anyways, I g2g now and will continue our discussion later, but this is a busy week-end for me. So, I guess Awas and khansahab will do the updating job. Take care.

  33. #33 by khansahab on June 14, 2008 - 5:27 PM

    I also think Younas will be MOM. Good batting display by Pakistan but it was the same flat track bullies Butt and Younas. Both of these also perform exceedingly well against India and average against the rest of the world. So no real improvement in batting I would say.

    Fawad’s bowling was very crucial here as he gave only 4 runs per over. The next best economy rate was Afridi’s 5.8. Everything else being equal had Fawad also given 6 runs per over or more India would probably have won.

    So well bowled Fawad.

  34. #34 by Amit. P on June 14, 2008 - 6:01 PM

    Great comeback for pakistan after that disaster …. they took the cup and was quite deserving … on the other hand india kept loosing wickets at regular intervals … u need atleast one hundred run partnership to chase down 300+ runs … 60s and 70s wont work. In the end younus inning made the difference for pakistan .. and he was deserving MOM. I must praise dhoni’s inning though … steel nerves !!

  35. #35 by khansahab on June 14, 2008 - 6:47 PM

    Amit P,

    I agree with you but till when will Pakistanis need to be pushed to the limit to perform and give inspiring and consistent performances?

    Dhoni is one of the best batsmen in the world. He is arguably one of the very few keepers whose batting overshadows their keeping. His record is not that great in Tests because by the time he comes into bat, the batsmen at the top have done their job anyway. So the reason why he isn’t that strong in Tests is because he hasn’t had many opportunities in the first place. Only a top quality player like him can be brilliant in all formats- T20, ODI or Test.

    About Younas, this series exemplifies his whole career if you ask me. He lets the team down and is largely inconsistent, then he is pushed to the limit and all of a sudden we see a fighting and attacking knock from him. He may have his own reasons as to why he could not become another Inzamam or Yousaf but I think it simply boils down to temperament.

  36. #36 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 14, 2008 - 9:07 PM


    Now the status quo will remain. Both the Malaks (Shoaib & Talat) Kamran Akmal, the Gora saab, the Ulloos and Salloos and all and sundries will go on pleasure trips on one pretext or the other while the playing grounds and the pitch and other facilities in interior Sind will be neglected as ever.

    Cities like Hyderabad, Mirpurkhas, Nawabshah, Dadu etc. will never be able to produce any player like Waqar Younis, Aaqib Javed, Mohhammed Asif because they never has/had the same facilities as other towns in Punjab.

    Untill and unless the PCB changes its character from PUNJAB CRICKET BOARD to ALL-PAKISTAN CRICKET BOARD there will never be any meaningful or long-lasting improvement in the standard of cricket in Pakistan.

    Karachi has banks and other corporate houses to look after, what about poor cities and towns outside Punjab? I remember playing on “Kakri Bagicha” 60 years ago, when I went last time to Karachi some 15 years ago, it was still “Kakri Bagicha.” For those of you, let me translate the meaning of KAKRI, it means CONCRETE and I am sure everybody knows BAGICHA means GARDEN!!


  37. #37 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 14, 2008 - 10:25 PM

    What I was trying and still saying is that, after this win, everything will be same as before. No changes. Shoaib Malik will still be the captain, Talat Malik will still be the Manager, Kamran Akmal will continue to keep wicket and ruin not only the averages but careers of several bowlers like Mohammed Sami and Danish Kaneria, Geoff Lawson will remain the coach, selection commitee will still be the real “dummy” commitee.

    Deserving youngsters, particlarly, if they belong to Karachi, will be overlooked. Same mediocre players will be selected and play since they have the backing of the so-called “heavy-weights.”

    No one will be sacked any more. No changes will be made. All is well that ends well. It does’nt matter if we lose the next twenty encounters in a row. That also be a sort of record!!

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 10:38 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    Your point is well taken, in fact when you started your comments with the wrod, “BAD NEWS..”, for a second I thought something serious happened. Yes, it did happen and you are absolutely right in your analysis. Me too, I have written in my last comment that the way Talat Ali, Shafqat Rana and DNA were rejoicing, the 4 days ago defeat is all forgotten and they will not do anything to disturb the winning combination. Once again they will become complacent and will do nothing for the province of Sindh or for any other province of Pakistan, as usual they will be neglected as ever.


    don’t you think you are a bit too harsh on Younus Khan? Is it just because you think that he performs only against India? Well, don’t you need someone like him and Butt who perform well against India ? Butt, started very slow he was waiting for his first landmark i.e., 50 which he scored in 81runs but, then he improved his run rate after that. If he had gotten out on 60 or 70 then obviously it wasn’t worth. But, Butt not only scored a century, his double century stand with YK was the main reason Pakistan scored 300 plus runs.

    Apart from Misbah who was scoring freely from the moment he arrived at the crease. No one, not even from India any player played freely and was scoring fast, even Malik and Afridi were struggling when they had a few overs to go. Yuvraj was struggling in the beginning, so was Dhoni. The wicket was like that you need to stay there and spend time to settle down before hitting big. So, I guess it was the order of the day and Younus was MoM and rightly so.

    I have opposed Younus Khan’s selection in T20 and 50 overs game because of the way he plays. And, he is always very lucky that when the selectors and the public demands him to be axed from the team, he comes up with a big century.

    I think in today’s win apart from the two centuries, the Danda that Malik got worked very well. He was seen consulting his senior players and also came in to bowl himself although he was sent to the launderers but that was an example that prompted young players like Fawad Alam to bowl with a lot of grit and determination.

    Except for Shahid Afridi and Tanvir, all other Pakistani players who have played for the IPL were looking too pally with the opposition and that seems to be the reaction of the IPL loyalties or royalties to pay back with a smile? Afridi plays with a lot of passion just like Yuvraj does for India and to some extent Gambhir too. You have to have that passion and aggression to show the seriousness to the game. Off the field you can be pally, but on the ground there is a game to play and a score to settle.

    Malik was seen jumping all over Afridi with joy like he used to do before and he must realize that Afridi is the most talented player in his team and he must respect that and use him to the best of his abilitie. Besides, Malik alone cannot do anything, I would like to quote Allama Iqbal here:

    “Fard Qaim Rabte Millat Say Hai Tanha Kuch Naheen
    Mauj Hai Darya Main Aur Baroon-e-Darya Kuch Naheen”

    Right now Malik needs to persuade his sheep that their interests and the interest of the shepherd are the same, that will give the team a glimmer of hope of leadership, then he can instill some courage in them to move forward. If Malik himself becomes a “Bakri” then there is nothing can be done. Napoleon Bonaparte said, “Adversity is the midwife of genius.” Malik is not a genius but, if he is out of the team, then he can certainly hope to be “Daii Malik” at Shaukat Khanam Memorial hospital.

  39. #39 by Awas on June 14, 2008 - 10:38 PM

    Pakistan actually won once they were given the danda…what a shame…it has ruined what I was thinking should have happened after another defeat. MYK, you are right, the status quo might continue for a while…and you have to take responsibility for such comments ;)-

    Butta played well and deservingly won that car. Younis played well too, he was unlucky to get run out in the first match and was out early in the second one too…but that happens. The important thing is class is permanent, form is temporary. After a very slow start, both accelerated the innings well.

    In their defeat, India at least did not loose embarrassingly badly like Pakistan did. They kept up well with the run rate and were always in the match till almost the end but couldn’t get big partnerships going. I think the turning point was when the arrogant Yuv got out. If he had stayed a little longer, India would have got home.


    Those LBW decisions were very unfavourable. Afridi struck twice in his first over…the second one was as plumb as you get. The way Afridi was demanding it in his first two appeals…I have never seen him like that because he felt he was right and he was…another umpire would have put the finger up easily.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 10:47 PM


    You were not spying on my comment were you? Because, you have said a few things exactly what I wrote. I know our comments appeared almost at the same time and I was laughing once again that “fools seldom disagree.”

    Yes, I noted that Afridi has never appealed that vehemently and was seen very upset and you say once, I reckon on both occasions he was plumb LBW. And you also gave Butta and YK the due they deserved. I am sure theossa will be very pleased with YK’s performance as he was praising him all along. Today when he came in to bat, I wrote “may be today is his day” and the first ball he played scored a four and then got confident that he is not going to be out on a duck again, so he paced his innings accordingly in the later part of the game.

    I agree with you that Indians did not loose the match the way Pakistanis lost 4 days ago. They put up a fight and the way Dhoni prepared himself for the onslaught in the penultimate over was very obvious about his intentions that he will hit every ball. But, thats what you can’t do, if you do then you are Afridi.

  41. #41 by Awas on June 14, 2008 - 10:50 PM


    LOL…me too…thinking alike…our comments were like crossing swords!

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2008 - 11:01 PM


    Man, you wanna duel avec moi? Hey, I am not good with swords or fencing, but I am a good marksman, remember I told you about my skeet shooting and clay pigeon sagas? Thats because of Teetar (partridge) and duck shooting.

    Talking about duel here is something for you from kids fable:

    One blind day in the middle of the night
    Two dead men got up to have a fight
    Back to back they faced each other
    Drew their swords and shot each other

    There is one more and I am sure you would like it:

    One blind day in the middle of the night the Thames caught fire,
    A blind man saw it,
    A deaf man heard it,
    And a man without any legs ran to get the fire brigade,
    The fire truck was drawn by 2 dead horses,
    ran over a dead cat and nearly killed it,
    This story was originally told tommorrow by 6 female gentlemen sitting at each corner of the round table eating plain currants with cakes in them.

    This is called baat ki baat khurafaat ki khuraafat. Does anyone here knows baat ki baat khurafaat ki khurafaat in Urdu? Perhaps Dr. Salman would, do you?

  43. #43 by khansahab on June 14, 2008 - 11:33 PM


    Sir, you do not need to worry because we will only ever censor comments in the most drastic instance. Your concerns regarding regionalism in PCB are well founded and well substantiated. We all share the same sentiments more or less. This site is for people like you who are learned, mature and decent but who also don’t mind calling a spade, a spade.

    Needless to say, again here we are not attacking a caste or a region, but a jingoistic, racist, intolerant, stubborn, abusive and unrefined mentality. There are many people from Karachi as well as from Pukhtoonkhwa who are jingoists and unrefined paindoos. On the other hand, there are also people like Awas (here on Legslip), who are from Punjab but are extremely humble and decent. So as I was saying earlier all types of people exist everywhere. Awas’s decency and level of tolerance can be perceived by the fact that, we frequently blame Malik & Co for playing regional politics etc yet he does not protest even though he probably does not feel there is any discrimination or jinogism in Pakistan against regional minorities.

    Awas, I am sorry for using your reference like this in this comment (without your permission) but I know you will understand 🙂 So people who think Javed A Khan or myself are anti Punjab are paindoos because Awas is from Punjab but he is a part of us and he knows that is not the case. The three of us are in this together!

  44. #44 by abdul on June 15, 2008 - 8:08 AM

    It’s a time to celebrate Pakistan’s victory and clinching the kitply tittle. What an outstanding performance from Butt and Younis Khan and was a massive lift after a humiliating defeat the other day as Pakistan have responded and in doing so take the tittle. Unfortunately I was unable to view the match due to playing club of which we lost. But when I came home and heard the fabulous news it was unbelievable and a moment of is deserved for celebration to Malik’s boys.


  45. #45 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 15, 2008 - 9:19 AM

    CONGRATULATIONS to All Pakstani Fans and Commiserations to All Indians.

    Butt saved his BUTT, and in the process, Malak Sahab also saved his ‘kundi’ 😉

    This Pakistan’s win was a deep-rooted conspiracy by MS Dhoni, to have allowed Pakistan to win and continue with Malak Sahab, because one more defeat would have meat end of Malak’s captainship era. So Dhoni, the genius that he is, had his eyes on a long-term goal and he wanted Malak to continue as our captain 🙂

    Anyways, now that we have won the game all negatives are covered and our fans and media is blinded once again, till next shock defeat. I would like to point a few areas which we would have talked about, in case, if Pakistani had lost the final. However, due to our win all those ‘mistakes’ were ignored.

    – Butt started really slow, and in case if he would have got out after his fifty, then Pakistan could never had reached 300 runs.

    – Afridi could score only 10 runs at the 11 valuable deliveries toward the end of the inning.

    – Malak Sahab also scored only 11 runs at 8 balls.

    – Malak Sahab should have sent Tanvir Sohail in his own place, as not only Sohail is a good hitter of the ball, but he is in good batting form. Plus the added advantage of left handed batsman.

    – Dropped catches/ missed run-outs/ unsuccessful LBW appeals all do not count.

    However, as they say, all is well that ends in well. So be it !!

    Let’s all forget totally about the DNA’s email and its points, and ‘happily’ wait for the Asia Cup !!

    PS: Good to see so many Indians around, and the popularity of this blog growing.

  46. #46 by Rehan Khan on June 15, 2008 - 12:19 PM

    Good thread. The writer has built a very favourable case for Dr Ashraf. I also think DNA has been unlucky with so much crisis happening in Pak cricket. It doesnt help if the players are also non co-operating like Asif and Shoaib. DNA is not a good administrator maybe but that does not mean it is because of him everything bad is happening.

    But the way the world works, when something goes wrong at the bottom the man at the top must resign. So i will request DNA to resign and same goes for Musharraf.

  47. #47 by abdul on June 15, 2008 - 1:40 PM

    Now we have won the kitfly cup it’s time to bring on the Asia cup. Kp what a knock as England posted 307 on the board.

    He is a very pleaurable and entertaining player to watch as Engalnd are in command in the first odi.

  48. #48 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 15, 2008 - 5:01 PM

    Mr. Mohammed Munir, Sharjah, UAE.

    Sir, You asked me how come I dont have a credit card living in the US, here is the explanation: when I was diagnosed five years ago with Cancer, I tried to entangled myself with all the credit cards I had. Being a Banker, you
    know how you guys rope us in. I had more than twenty different cards, you name it, I had it. It was an Herculeon effort to get out of it. Like they say I had to “beg, borrow and steal”

    Another thing people wonder is: How could I gave up smoking when I used to buy the cigarettes by cartons and not by packs? The doctor told me I have to give up smoking, I gave the pack and the carton to my son to throw it away, since I knew he smokes, (Being Memon, I could not waste money!!)

    Third and Most Important: All the surgeries and treatments like Radiation, Chemo-Therapy, Scanning, Endscopy, Bronscopy and Intra-venous injections and Needling that I am going thru, I did not imagine I could face it, Allah in his mercy bestowed on me the courage to handle it with fortitude. And that is the the biggest Victory.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2008 - 6:29 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    LOL at “Being a Memon, I couldn’t waste money.”

    Like we say, “Pathan apna paisa khaata hai” This one needs some elaboration and explanation for those people who don’t know the background of the story.

    A Pathan was very hungry and in a grocery store he saw a bar of soap which was very appealing to him and he thought its some kinda “halwa” or sweets that he could eat. He was tight on budget and bought it and started to eat the soap and realized that its not what he thought, after taking a bite from it he wanted to return it to the store and the owner refused to refund. So, the Pathan sat there and was eating the soap … a passerby asked him, “Khansahab tum kya khaata?” He replied, “Pathan apna paisa khaata.”

    Btw, is there some truth in that proverbial expression, “Memon ka baccha kuch dekh ker hee girta hai?” I have heard so many of Memon and Pathan jokes from Moin Akhtar. There are so many but, just this is one when Moin Akhtar came to Dubai while I was there:

    Moin said, in Dubai there are so many Memons, if you go shopping and spend 2000 dirhams, they give you a Memon for Free. He said, after a while when I went to Kharadar Karachi, on the street they recognized me and got hold of me and were threatening me by saying; “Tu bara hasaar banta? Tu Memon ka mazaaq urata TV pay, tu bolta 2000 diram ka shapping kero to ek memon free milta? And they were pushing me in a corner and I thought they will beat me to hell, so finally I raised my voice and got hold of one of them …. he said, “oye nai mere koo chor, mere koo proshtait (prostate) hai, tu iss kay sath lurr.”

    Here, we have a big Memon community and they are all wonderful people, they have raised a lot of money to build a big huge mosque and a community centre. Almost every single one of them is interested in cricket and sometimes we watch together like India Pakistan matches with a one dish party or a Nihari Party. They all love paan and without paan there is no party.

  50. #50 by khansahab on June 15, 2008 - 7:00 PM

    Shahid Afridi has now moved to the 6th place in ODI bowler rankings.
    This confirms Afridi is a good player and the calls to remove him from the team should cease.

    Javed A Khan,

    This phrase about “Pathan apna paisa khata” is used very frequently in our household. But we have a slightly different version of this phrase: “Khan bhai kya khata, apna paisa khata!”

  51. #51 by khansahab on June 15, 2008 - 11:14 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    A few months ago I said on a blog, “Pakistan should always play Butt and Younis against India because they perform remarkably well against India”. To answer you question about, “Well, don’t you need someone like him and Butt who perform well against India ?” the answer is, YES I do think we need them against India BUT Pakistan can’t have a special designated playing XI to play any particular team once or twice a year. Hence I believe Pakistan is better off without Younis in ODI’s. In Tests I think he is OK but he needs to bat lower down.

    I can discuss statistics with you but I don’t think that will help us as we both are aware of them. Hence it all boils down to personal perceptions. I don’t consider Younis to be a great batsman and to be honest a lot of it is due to his own doing. He is the type of player who can get settled very quickly and start dominating the opposition but he just as easily succumbs to a rush of blood and gives away his wicket. This has been the story of his career. And then we people start complaining and he is pushed to the limit we suddenly see him playing sensibly and he scores a big century. And then, the cycle starts all over again!

    If you look at his career summary on Cricinfo Statsguru you will see many points that I make reference to. See for example in Tests, he averages 88 against India whereas his career average is 49. This is a huge discrepancy. His next highest average is 61 against New Zealand but he has played only 6 Test innings against them. Next is his average of 46 against Sri Lanka against whom he has played a reasonable number of innings. So his average against India is about twice as much as his average against Sri Lanka, which tells a lot.

    Also, he is a matchwinning batsman like Inzi. But the difference again is, Inzi used to win matches for Pakistan more regularly and often on his own accord. In Test matches Pakistan has won Younis averages a whopping 68 but in the matches Pakistan has lost he averages 35 which is just about half. So this tells you how much the Pakistan team relies on him, yet he often does not live up to the promise.

    In ODI’s he has played 165 innings but only 9 of those have been against New Zealand. His highest average against established teams is 44 vs New Zealand followed by 36 against India and 31 against Sri Lanka. These are the only established teams he averages 30+ against. Again in matches Pakistan has won he averages 39 which is very good in ODI’s and in matches Pakistan has lost he averages only 25. Rather than these statistics the most potent indicator of Younis’s failure in ODI cricket is, when Pakistan has a big target to chase and Younis comes into bat, I don’t imagine he would play a significant hand in reaching the total. I do expect Yousuf to and I even expect Malik or Misbah to at least stay there for a while in the hunt but Younis too often plays a stupid shot.

    In Tests the only reason I think he should be demoted down the order, is because of his temperament. If he gets out too quickly it puts undue pressure on Yousuf and subsequent batsmen. Imran Khan was the one who suggested Younis should bat at no 3 in ODI’s and Tests both. It worked for the first few months but in my opinion it has turned out to be a disaster for the sheer number of matches Pakistan has lost when Younis has not been able to score. This is because the no 3 batsman is one whose main priority is to stabilise the proceedings; I think most people would say your best batsman should come out to bat at no 3. This is why I have been saying for years that it must be Yousuf and not Younis who should bat at no 3.Younis will win Pakistan many more matches if he comes slightly later, maybe at no 5 or 6. I can guarantee you 100% if Pakistan had more proactive captains than Inzamam or Malik, we would have seen Yousuf at no 3 and Pakistan would have been a much better international side.

  52. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2008 - 3:33 AM


    Your views and comments about YK and Butt along with those stats is fine, I understand and agree with that, my point is, this time the way YK played was better than his own previous ODI performances also he played at a very good strike rate, anything more than 100% is always excellent. I have said this above had they continued playing the conventional way i.e., to play slow and then slog after the 40th over then, they may NOT have made 315 runs. You saw how Afridi and Malik wasted the last few deliveries, they could have easily made 330 plus, so it wasn’t easy making runs when you are new at the crease. The accelerated as soon as they felt they were able to see the ball well especially YK.

    Thats why I said, YK played a good innings, had Butt not scored a century and gotten out after his fifty then he deserved a court martial. But, his double century stand made the difference. We don’t need to repeat this again and again. What I want to discuss below is about the future of ODI or 50 overs game.

    The IPL is being considered by many as a smashing hit, hence the future of ODI appears to be bleak. That is not true, rather it is a lopsided view. After the IPL, I have read somewhere (may be on cricinfo) the way IPL was received, rather perceived by people in various countries. India and Pakistan, yes a lot of people watched because of obvious reasons. Then a few SA’s because of the participation of their players. But, the rest of the world did not watch it with so much enthusiasm. Apart from the interest and the length of the tournament (which was too long) the timings were not right for Australia, NZ, America and Canada viewers. People cannot avoid offices/work/business for the sake of watching a cricket match. Hence they did not buy the packages and were not really interested even in knowing the details. Except for a few die-hard cricket fans or those who can afford to have TV at their work place (businesses) like me, but they are very few in numbers.

    Hence to call it a smashing hit is indeed a lopsided view. And, I doubt that the 50 over format will die slowly or T20 will take over this format. The 50 over game is a test for both batsmen and bowlers. From a mere 4 overs per bowler to 10 overs per bowler is a big difference, especially for fast bowlers. Also, batsmen need to play shots more carefully than playing “hathora shots” in the T20 format. In 50 overs match, more skill, patience and endurance is needed and people who love cricket will agree with me that it will not phase out because of the T20 format. Both will continue and I prefer the 50 over format over T20, because the later is so unpredictable and can change the course of the game from over to over and by the time you realize there should be more, the overs are over or the result is not what you expected. The uncertainty brings some excitement but, its more like hockey and soccer games and thats not my cuppa tea.

    What a shame Asif’s case will remain in pending for another 10 – 15 days and he is been rotting in detention for the last 16 days already. Its good to hear that one of the PCB official has resigned, good riddance. But, the bad news is what Mr. Kasim and a few other bloggers have said that the whole mafia will stay and there won’t be any change and thats a shame. I am happy that Pakistan has won, but I am not very happy because the culprits will remain. This was the time to strike when the iron is hot, but now its gone into the freezer for may be another few years. LOL@ Dhoni ki conspiracy. Munir you should know that Pakistan’s record of winning the Asia Cup is very bad. So, whatever you may say, they will become complacent after this win and they will be back to zero again. Hence there should be no carrot but only stick which we call it a DANDA. That is what they all need, before breakfast, before lunch and before dinner.

  53. #53 by Mohamed Anfaal on June 16, 2008 - 6:33 AM

    Well its good to see Pakistan winning against India or a team of any Repute in the recent past at least it keeps our hopes alive that there is still some competition left in world cricket, because with teams that can challenge other teams of repute diminishing with such rapidity and Pakistan being the major casualty in that department left us wondering regarding the immediate future and excitement of world cricket and a lopsided one at that.
    Pakistan still has a way to go to come any where near teams like Australia and India or even SA, England, Sri Lanka and New Zealand, but still this can be construed as a beginning and it augurs well for world cricket and as I have said before in one of my previous post quite sometime ago that a strong and stable Pakistan Cricket is needed by us (the Asian Block) to challenge White Hegemony.

    But the circus and drama that preceded this win is that kindles me, after that crushing defeat DNA writing that email or letter whatever, and the subsequent leaking of that letter for the whole world to enjoy and the expected high hoopla and media coverage after that. I am sorry guys I may be way off here, but this looks a scene straight out of a Hindi movie but you can see what they left for a layman’s imaginations to run wild.

    Just picture this scene, after all the drama has unfolded the whole team gathered round in a circle, with the coach the captain and probably one of them has that letter in hand and you can imagine the coach or the captain in this case as this is a Desi movie belting out a heart wrenching and motivating emotional speech to his team, that its now a never and we can do it and no one can take this 100 overs away from you and VOILA!! That same team that lost badly just the other day comes out all guns blazing and prevails in the end absolving all and sundry including the sissy captain that would have been booted in case of any other eventuality and also hands out the crown of “magician motivator” to the high boss who wrote that letter. WOW to me it looks nicely scripted

  54. #54 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 16, 2008 - 10:48 AM

    LOL @ DANDA (before breakfast, before lunch and before dinner).

    Something like, I don’t how many of us will remember that old advertisement on Pakistan TV about, ‘Binaca’, I guess it was a toothpaste.

    Subah Ko Danda, Shaam Ko Danda, Jeet Ka Paighaam Hai Danda.

    About Pakistan’s not so good track record in Asia Cup, actually it could be due UAE team playing Asia Cup 😉

    Kasim Sahab …

    Sir please don’t embarrass me by calling me Sir.

    Your points are well taken and once again all our hearty prayers for your speedy recovery and good health.

  55. #55 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 16, 2008 - 11:02 AM

    About the storey that, Pathan Apna Paisa Khata Hai and the soap example.

    Well I have also heard a similar storey about Pathans.

    Once a Pathan goes to a ‘Rairhi Wala’ street hawker, who was selling local ‘Khajoor’ dates. He asks the guy to give him half a kilo of dates. Once he collected the dates and paid the money, the Pathan starts eating the dates which he just purchased.

    Now those who have seen street hawkers and specially the ones who are selling dates, will know that there are so many bees and ‘Bhir’ (Deembhoo) in these Khajoors.

    So while this Pathan was eating dates, the street hawker noticed that he is also taking in a few bees and Bhirs and eating them too. When he asked the Pathan customer that he is eating the bees/ Bhirs which could bite him, the Pathan replied that, “Yeh Tu Toll Main Ayaa Hai, Aur Hum Iss Ka Bhee Paisa Tum Ko Diya Hai, Iss Liyay Hum Iss Ko Zaroor Khaay Gi” 😉

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2008 - 1:20 PM

    Mohammad Anfal

    That DNA email is not a script but a tonic for the lazybones. Like I said they always need a danda. “Danda Wigrian Tigrian Da.” Its a punjabi expression meaning “Danda bigraon ko sudhaar ta hai,” or “spare the rod and spoil the child” wali baat hai. The Pakistani players take too much for granted hence they need to be kept on toes all the time.

    For other players if you place your confidence in their abilities it helps them in enhancing their performance, whereas in case of Pakistani players its reverse, e.g., Malik was given a carte blanc to be the captain till December 31, 2008. And, Malik took it for granted, no matter what he does he will be there as the skipper. All he wanted to do was to score some runs on the board so that he can say I have scored 50 but, the senior players are not cooperating with me. The reason for a defeat is a conspiracy against me.

    In my opinion that 50 or, 50 plus score for a captain is zero if he cannot motivate his own team. Because the role of the leader is not just to see he secures his a$$ but to make sure he motivates his team and his team wins. And winning against minnows is not any achievement. A true test lies when you play against a stronger opposition also, maintain consistency in winning. I would say that Pakistan and Malik both are lucky that they have won the recent kitply cup final. If it was like a 5 or 7 match ODI series, the results would have been different.

    Over all Pakistan’s record against India is good they have won more matches and also won more tri-angular series. But, the current Indian team or should I say for the past 3 years or so is a better Indian team than what it used to be. Even with Tendulkar in their side they used to loose more frequently than they loose now. In fact they are winning more now. The “T” factor was so big that they used to rely only on him. It wasn’t same with Pakistan with the “I” factor, its true that whenever Inzamam scored big, Pakistan won, but others were also scoring and performing (bowling wise) and thats the reason Pakistan has won more times playing against India.

    I understand why the Indian cricket fans are not writing much after this final. Because, they also knew from within their hearts that Pakistan is not Bangladesh or even Sri Lanka (India has a better track record of winning against Sri Lanka) and some of our Indian bloggers even predicted that India will loose. Whether it was a superstitious feeling or a reverse therapy to jinx it whatever you may call, but they knew that it could happen and it did. Hence they felt dejected, sad, hurt and won’t be writing on the blog for sometime. It is normal and understandable. The Aaj Tak TV programme which used to talk about cricket for hours and hours everyday has suddenly dropped the subject of cricket after announcing India lost the Kitply final against Pakistan. Period.

    The IPL final was different one, no matter who wins, it was still an Indian win. Thats what I meant earlier when I said, the IPL cannot match or bring about the same feelings and sentiments among people when nations compete against each other. When India / Pakistan play its a different feeling, a different story.

    Coming to the point of DNA’s email. Like that Snoozing Talat Ali said, such things happen we get emails and phone calls when they (the PCB selectors or chairman) are happy and when they are unhappy is true. The leaking of the email to the media created more sensationalism and a kinda ripple effect among the masses and the team knew before playing the final that not only the selectors are going to do something in bringing about changes, but this humiliating 140 runs defeat means a lot to the public and their sentiments were running high and they will not be spared by them. The only way to change the situation in their favour was to win the final, then everything else would be resolved and that happened.

    The team has won, the captain is happy, the selectors are happy because “All is well that ends well.” Most importantly the “mafia” is happy. Once again they will be doing the same, no matter what they say they will never stick to their words, such is the intoxication they get from a win, they will be complacent, lethargic and their performance will be lackluster again, unless there is a sword dangling on top of them, unless a danda is ready to hit their butts unless their future is looking bleak they won’t change and this will keep on happening.

    Hence email leaking was only a blessing in disguise, it wasn’t a planned thing. The old man Saleem Altaf, good for nothing guy was passing out the information on telephone to the media and was caught. Now, one may call the telephone tapping as illegal or unethical but, Saleem Altaf’s action was neither legal, ethical nor moral. When you join an organization you take an oath to remain loyal to the organization and loyalty does not mean you take a bullet to save your chairman’s life, but you have to abide by certain rules and regulations and Altaf had no morals, no ethics. Who knows that he was not receiving bribes from the media for passing them such information?

    Munir forget about what Pathans eat or they don’t eat, its time for you to go to Turkey and enjoy eating good food, black cherries and black figs, thats the seasonal fruit there right now and they have some of the best black cherries and black figs in the world. I love them. But, butter chicken is not my cup of tea. That doesn’t mean I am unhappy about its recipe that you wrote the other day, you have made khansahab happy so that serves the purpose. Khair naal jaa tay khair naal aa.

  57. #57 by Mohammed Munir on June 16, 2008 - 2:52 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Thanks for your kind wishes.

    Khair naal jaa tay khair naal aa … reminded me of an old drama dialouge, which was a well wishes of a mother to his son, who was going abroad for a job. Here it is:

    Khair Naal Jaaeen, Tay Khair Naal Aaeen, Tay Mani-Aader Da Khiyaal Rakheen Putra 😉

    Mani-Aader = Money Order (Somthing like modern day Bank DD or TT).

    Khan Sahab is lucky like moi, that he simply took a print-out of the Butter Chicken recipe and his mom will cook the dish for him.

    I feel for theossa, whose girl can’t cook the desi dishes 😉

    Bless are some, and may they remain Blessed 🙂

  58. #58 by theossa on June 16, 2008 - 6:57 PM

    Guys, I was in the field today so I missed a lot of posts. I guess enough is said about the Pak-India final so I’ll just take on my Gemini-Mate Munir. Bud, I met this lady from Lahore here who is an excellent cook and she agreed to cater. So I’ll forward some of these recipes to her and will enjoy without bothering the kitchen, haha. Yes Gemini, my girl can’t cook desi food well but she goes golfing with me, we play tennis, we play Xbox 360 (Gears of War, Halo 3, Rainbow Six, Madden NFL), we play chess, we go camping, we go fishing, we go hunting (she has a stuffed black bear, which she hunt herself), we go gym and jogging, so she makes up for it. I’m trying to teach her Pushto and after that she’ll be my complete “Khanum”. When she wears Shalwar Qameez (In Pak community parties), she looks gorgeous (all the ladies just circle her), she likes our dresses and thinks they’re comfortable. I’m working on making her wear Burqa too, lol. Munir, have fun at your trip and bring some stories back to share with us in your typical amusing style.

    I’ll on training for the rest of the week in Harrisburg so I’ll catch you guys next Monday. Gotta go play golf, it’s addicting.

  59. #59 by khansahab on June 16, 2008 - 8:02 PM

    Mohammad Munir,

    I am sure Kasim Sahab, like myself, was calling you “Sir” because of respect. It does not matter in entirety how old we all are. Yes age has “something” to do with it because if anyone of you would call me sir it would be ridiculous and I would absolutely not put up with it (neither do I think I deserve the title), but I think it is a combination of say 65% respect and 35% age.

    Of course it is very humble of you that you find it embarrassing. But maybe if I was in your place I would also not like being called “Sir” by Kasim sahab.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2008 - 5:25 AM


    Yaar, I am now compelled to ask this question from you: “Do you have any sala?”

  61. #61 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 17, 2008 - 9:30 AM

    Foreword …

    English is a second language for most of us around, therefore, at times, while reading these comments, it is not easy to maintain the same wavelength that the writer had in his mind while writing those comments. So in any such cases, please note that I make all my comments in a lighthearted and cheerful way (this is why I always put 🙂 / 😉 in front of my comments). I really do not have any intention of degrading or hurting anyone intentionally or unintentionally.

    This is a specially privileged blog and I feel we are like one small family here. I enjoy being part of this blog and being around all of you guys.

    By the way, my bank have de-blocked this website and now I can access and write comments from my office too – (where I have more time than at home) 😉

    Awas …

    You are not to be seen these days, hope all is well.

    Chup Chup ‘Baithay’ Ho Zaroor Koi Baat Hai 😉

    Khan Sahab …

    I guess you can call me ‘Sir’ once in a while (due to your ‘Baali Umariya’ only). However, out of respect for them, I would not like to be called ‘Sir’ by my seniors.

    On a second thought, you have not updated the “Gals” section for some time now 🙂

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ theossa’s Sala.

    It’s a bit strange though that you have straightaway asked about theossa’s ‘SalA’ and not ‘Sali’.

    I hope it has nothing to do about your change of taste 😉

    Or is it a case of, “Sitaaroun Sey Aagay Jahaan Aur Bhi Hain” 😉

    theossa …

    Wow man, you are one lucky guy, now I have stated to envy you.

    I mean, I get nicely cooked foods of all types as my wife is one of the best cooks around and she also does enjoy cooking for me. But I am not lucky enough to do all these activities with ‘Mairay Bachoun Ki Maan’.

    Therefore, I think is it only fair that like you get your cooking done from a desi Lahori aunty, I can also have part-timers (from Lebanon, Morocco, Russia etc.) for all other activities that you mentioned 😉

    About your and my situations, I remember this following ‘Misra’:

    Kabhi Kisi Ko Mukamal Jahan Nahin Milta
    Kissi Ko Doosari Activities, Aur Kissi Ko Desi Khanaa Nahin Milta 😉

  62. #62 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 17, 2008 - 9:15 PM

    Like I predicted, nothing will happen now. “All is well that ends well.” The whole mafia will remain intact. Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal, Talat Malik, Geoff Lawson and others will continue as before. Favorite players will be selected as before depriving deserving new youngsters any chances because the “winning” team management will not experiment or take any chances!!

    Let us not waste our energy discussing cricket and focus on something funny and entertaining!!

  63. #63 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 17, 2008 - 9:56 PM


    Since when have you been hanging around with Memons? Your analysis that it is 65% cotton 35% synthetic smells Memonic!

    There is a big thoroughfare in Houston called Hillcroft. It is full of Desis of all sorts.

    Once I went into an Indian Grocery store to buy something and asked “Do you speak Urdu?”

    The lady said “No, I can speak Hindi”

    Being a Pucca Pakistani, I said “I am sorry, I cant speak Hindi” and started to come out of the store.

    Thereupon, the lady said “Bhai saheb, main bahut acchhi Urdu bol sakti hoon!”

    “Urdu aur Hindi sautaili bahnay hain”

    “Kis Nay Kaha?” I asked her.

    “Javed Akhtar Saheb nay”

    After buying what I needed, I picked up something and started reading the ingredient in Gujrati, the lady exclaimed ” Can you read Gujrati?”

    I replied in Gujrati that I am a Memon and can read and write Gujrati.

    She said I am a Gujrati too and we are Sautaley Bhai Bahen!

    By the way, I can speak and understand Sindhi and a little bit of Punjabi and Bangla since I lived in my beloved East Pakistan for couple years.

  64. #64 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 18, 2008 - 1:21 AM

    This one is especially for theossa.

    There are obviously lots of Pakistani restaurants and eating houses around but, again, it is the same Pakistani mentality and a certain mafia is working.

    Most of them hire this group once a day and have them cook for the entire week and the taste is the same because of Shan Masala. And thanks to Microwave Oven, you get hot meals!!

    Only few are known to have real cooks and kitchens and they charge for it (naturally), since they dont cook extra and give away left overs, if any, to their employees.

    Fortunately, we never go to any Pakistani restaurant, except, of course, when invited, since my wife, daughter and daughter-in-law are excellent cooks.

    We do, however, enjoy Halal Chinese, Veg. Korean, Thai, Seafood, South Indian Specialities and abve all, Mediterean Lebanese/Turkish Food.

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2008 - 3:33 AM

    Mr. Kasim

    As usual, very good informative “tit-bits” from you. Also, I have read your latest comments on PakSpin. But, I have no urge to write about that boring subject of “reverse sweep” and thanks for enlightening the bloggers about who invented the reverse sweep. Also, I am glad to hear that you got Javed Miandad’s autobiography by Dr. Saad Shafqat.

    About the Pakistani restaurants I would like to add something more i.e., from my experience.

    In Karachi there are plenty of restaurants from BBQ Tonite, Lal Qila

    to something like this, please double click on this link to see the pic:

    But, when we are out of Pakistan the standard of Pakistani restaurants in general is below par i.e., if you compare them with all the international restaurants that represent their national cuisine. Indian restaurants have excellent decors they are in the posh areas and some of them are extremely expensive. In one of the Indian restaurants in Old Montreal, a tandoori naan costs $5.00 a piece. Whereas, the Pakistani restaurants wherever I have been in Europe and North America their decor, ambiance, service is either plain, gaudy, very boring or absolutely pathetic.

    Some of the low budget restaurants which are very popular among masses do have some good food. But, there is no consistency, one day its good the second day its not. Once we order lamb Karai, it was very tasty, asked the guy to bring one more plate. First it took 30 minutes for him to bring when we had already finished eating and the lamb karai was totally different from the first plate as if its been cooked after the order was placed and the meat was hard like rubber.

    Toronto has a few fancy restaurants but again, nothing to write home about. The reason is, the niche of all these restaurants are ONLY Pakistani customers. They don’t serve alcohol, its fine but you can still improve the ambiance and service so that one can take some non-desi friends and introduce them to Pakistani cuisine.

    They like the food and the price, but in general the place is not clean, the toilets and wash basins are so yucky and filthy that you don’t feel like entering inside even to wash your hands there. Even if you complain to the owner, the response is: Sir jee we cannot educate our people. Its true to some extent. Because, people have no civic sense.

    In downtown Montreal, eating out is normal and people love dining out and there are streets full of restaurants, every single Mall has food courts and you can feel the fervor and the passion with which the people eat out from the number of restaurants here. There are total 7500 restaurants in the Montreal Metropolis. But, within two square kilometers of core downtown, there are 4400 restaurants

    And they represent from all nationalities and cultures and there must be at least two dozen Indian and two dozen Bangladeshi restaurants but, not a single Pakistani restaurant. Because, the rents, taxes and overhead cost in downtown is high, hence they operate in low lying areas or in ghettos were there are lower middle-class desi population is dwelling. Its a shame that not a single Pakistani entrepreneur has come forward to open a single restaurant like Lal Qila or BBQ tonight or Copper Kettle etc. The BBQ tonight of Toronto has horrible service and its not a big place, so the waiting time is long and there is always smoke in the dining area which is very irritating.

    You are right Shan Masala is like order of the day, these days if you go to someone’s house for a dinner the taste of the food is exactly the same at everyone’s house. Its either Shan Masala or they all order food from the same restaurants.

  66. #66 by khansahab on June 18, 2008 - 9:32 AM

    I went to Lal Qila when it had just opened. I was amazed at the variety of the food and the overall quality. Everything was delicious and they even had non traditional food like Pizzas and Garlic Bread (of course I paid more attention to these) 🙂

    The atmosphere of Lal Qila was jaw dropping as well although I was quite greedy so my only focus was the food.

  67. #67 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 18, 2008 - 9:35 AM

    Kasim Sahab …

    Nice entertaining storey about that Gujju lady, it made interesting reading.
    So you are blessed to have good home cooked food, that is great.

    About our PCB, it’s Phirwohi Kahani.

    That reminds me of Phirwohi, so where is he these days ?

    Javed Khan …

    You are damn right about the attitude and business ethics of a lot of our Pakistani eateries.

    I guess the problem lies in ‘short-cut’ mentality of our general public. Now you yourself, being a perfectionist that you are, must be knowing that almost all of our Pakistani brethrens are short-sighted when it comes to business. They want to earn the highest profit margins with the lowest efforts and that too in the shortest time. Now this theory could be very well working for some of the ‘products’ we have in our NWFP areas, but it does not go well in the international market where you are competition with the best of the best.

    I can imagine your inability to find a good Pakistani restaurant where you would have loved to take your non-desi friends or even visit with your family for a special occasion, as I am exactly in the similar situation myself here in Sharjah/ Dubai.

    There are a many Pakistani restaurants where food is generally good, but most of them does not family sitting areas, while others are unhygienic, and are located in cheap areas. So I end-up at Indian restaurants and tell my friends that this food is almost similar to our Pakistani cuisine.

    Another troubling area is that, in spite of its fabulous taste, flavour and aroma, Pakistani food is the least presentable and not good looking at all.

    There is a proverb in Arabic and it says that, for a food to taste good, it have to first look good.

    I guess, we do not have the concept of Fine Dining in Pakistan, so very few peoples know about décor, ambiance, service, hygiene and presentation.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2008 - 10:28 AM


    Your comment on Pakistani restaurant owners or entrepreneurs that, “they want to earn the highest profit margins with the lowest efforts and that too in the shortest time…..” are correct to some extent but, that is not all. Taali ek hath say nahee bajti. The people (customers) also don’t want to pay a decent price. They want to get the food at a restaurant cheaper than the price they can make it at home. They don’t want to pay for the ambiance, decor, atmosphere or a clean hygienic place.

    What they fail to understand is, at a restaurant someone else has cooked that food for you (which saved the trouble of shopping, cutting, cleaning, cooking which saves your several hours) and somebody else is serving you while you are sitting at a table. Plus, you and your family or friends are enjoying a good sit down dinner at a place where, after you have created and left the mess you don’t have to clear it or do the dishes. Why not let the poor chap make a living? After all he too has to make some profit to survive.

    Restaurant business looks great from outside, but its a very tough and demanding business, it needs the owner’s or proprietor’s total attention 365 days and its a thankless job. One day, one dish if it is not up to your standards, you not only yell at the guy (which you wouldn’t dare if its a posh restaurant) and you don’t want to pay for that dish and then you talk about it among your family, relatives and friends.

    There are some well to do people who don’t want to pay more than 5 dollars for a meal and if its more than that they say “mehenga hai” (its expensive) whereas, the same people when they eat at a 5 star hotel’s restaurant where the food may be bland and tasteless they end up paying 15 dollars in tips to the waitress.

    The concept of tips does not exist in most cheap Pakistani restaurants, you go and pay the bill at the counter, in the meantime, you grab a tissue – which is more like a butter paper – wipe your mouth throw it in the big trash bin which is right there near the cash counter. Then, burp loudly then grab a pinch or a fistful of “saonf” (aniseeds) and ask for a “toose-pick” from the couner, collect your change and walk out with a toothpick in your mouth and after a few quick strokes to remove the stuck up food between your teeth, you even spit a bit inside the restaurant before walking out or, if you are very civilized then you may spit on the pavement and throw the “toosepick,” burp even louder and say Alhamdoliallah and there you go.

    Well, there are certain restaurants where the bill comes to your table and you pay either by cash or by credit card, but such Pakistani restaurants are extremely rare. But, over there the common man doesn’t go and neither the rich misers go because they don’t like paying a high price for desi food or pay taxes and service charge for desi-food. I remember a desi guy was arguing with the restaurant owner by saying I don’t want to pay taxes. On food items we have to pay “goods and harmony tax of about 13.75% “tax and its not to be confused with service charge, which is separate and its added prior to the taxes. So, that guy was saying I am an accountant and I know you guys don’t pay taxes so why do you charge from me? What a stupid person and what a stupid argument.

  69. #69 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 19, 2008 - 4:17 AM

    I hope you don’t own a restaurant out there in Canada 😉

    Anyways, all your points are well made and accepted.

    I am agree, totally 🙂

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