ASIA CUP 2008

ASIA CUP is starting from June 24th, right now the whole world is discussing reverse sweep rule, lets not get bogged down in that trivial discussion, because there is nothing wrong in playing a reverse sweep, those who create uproar and a storm in the tea cup must save their breath to cool their porridge.Since the advent of the Asia Cup in 1983-84 in Sharjah, the tournament has been played 8 times till the year 2004 and this will be the ninth one, so we can see there is a big gap between the 8th and the 9th Asia Cup. India has dominated in the Asia Cup and its very obvious from the results. Out of the eight tournaments, India has won 4 times, Sri Lanka has won 3 times and Pakistan has won only once. Bangladesh, Hong Kong and the UAE are the minnows and for them even to reach to the finals must be a herculean effort.

Despite the fact that Pakistan has won only once, they have posted the highest totals in the tournaments four times, in fact if you look at the highest totals of ten matches, Pakistan’s name appear 7 times and the next three berths belong to Sri Lanka. Now, the style of batting has changed from conventional cricket to more aggressive cricket due to the T20 matches, it is likely that all those previous records would be broken. The highest total posted by Pakistan is 343/5 against Hong Kong in 2004 and 300/9 against India also in 2004.

As for the individual records for all the 8 tournaments Sanath Jayasuriya holds the records for both batting and bowling. And even in the IPL he was seen in good form, so one should not brush aside Sri Lanka, they have the ability to surprise any team. In the Pakistan team of 2004 Asia Cup, Shahid Afridi was not in the team. Shoaib Malik was the top scorer averaging 63 runs in 5 matches also took 9 wickets. And for India, Tendulkar topped the scores with an average of 56 and Irfan Pathan took 14 wickets, in fact Tendulkar was only 2 wickets behind Pathan.

India is a very different team since the last Asia Cup and they are not going to take this tournament lightly. Also, they have a score to settle against Pakistan, i.e., the recent defeat at the Kitply tri-series in Bangladesh. While India and Pakistan both benched against each other in the same group, it will be an opportunity for both to play semifinals and then whoever plays against BD would be an easy sailing for them to the finals. So, there will be lot of planning from both sides. Pakistan may have advantage of playing at home and they have always played well in Karachi that is where they will play their round match against India. Here is a link of the schedule of matches to be played.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/asiacup/content/series/298014.html?template=schedule

All countries except Pakistan have announced their squad for the Asia Cup and the news that has appeared about who is not playing in the Asia Cup are two players, Mohammad Asif and Sreesanth. The later is injured and the former is still visiting his in-laws and most likely to remain there for quite sometime. I wonder why everything moves so slow in Pakistan? Is it something very difficult for them to pick up a squad for the Asia Cup? Or they are hoping that Asif will come out from Naif Road Jail?

Its up to you to choose Pakistan’s/India’s squad and also make your own predictions as to who will win?
Everyone, including all the leading Sri Lankan players are saying that India are favourites. Once again putting them under tremendous pressure to perform. Pakistan might be happy to remain underdogs but they are certainly capable of rising on a big occasion like they did last week.

 

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  1. #1 by Q on June 18, 2008 - 6:16 AM

    Since the Asia Cup is being played in Pakistan they don’t need to announce a squad – they can treat it as a home series where they can call up whichever players they want for each match.

    The other have announced their so that the PCB could make hotel and travel arrangements for them, just the way the ICC does before a World Cup.

    So its not too late for Pakistan.

    Plus I guess it will be the same squad as the one that won the tri series in Bangladesh.

    Asif is doomed!

  2. #2 by khansahab on June 18, 2008 - 9:59 AM

    In relation to the food discussion on the previous thread I am making my comments here to “dhakka start” this thread as Javed A Khan would say.

    People in the UK love Manchester’s Curry Mile, which is a road that runs through for about a mile and has countless restaurants and takeaways. The place is hellish during Eid and other festivals, thousands of Pakistanis gather there and cause havoc. There are “melas” (carnivals), shows etc etc and lots of razzmatazz. The reason I don’t like it is, during the celebration there is a lot of rowdiness and indiscipline which gives the Pakistani community a bad name. The whole area gets cordoned off and the police has to be actively involved. Pakistani youths always get into trouble for driving offences, beating each other up, harassing girls, beating police officers and so on. There is a lot of drinking, drugs, violence etc. Below is a link showing a snapshot of the ‘Mile.

    Further information on this can be obtained by clicking on the following link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry_Mile

    As the article states, the Curry Mile restaurants form the largest concentration of Pakistani restaurants in the world outside the Indian Subcontinent. This gives you and indication of the sheer concentration of Pakistanis in Manchester, almost all of whom migrated from Jhelum, Mirpur, Sahiwaal, Lahore, Pindi and adjoining areas in the 1960’s. No wonder Manchester is known as “Little Pakistan” in the UK.

    Anyway about the food, generally I don’t like the food of the Curry Mile. I like the food of Nawaab of Manchester which is another Pakistani restaurant not in the Curry Mile. Whenever our family has visited a Pakistani restaurant (except Nawaab) the food has been cold, tasteless and all the waiters have been arrogant and very uncouth.

    There are a few Arab takeaways in the Curry Mile and the food, behaviour of staff, and all over service is much better. Plus whenever you go to a Pakistani restaurant you always get overcharged about something or the other!

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2008 - 10:48 AM

    Q

    I am not sure if there is a rule or a practice that the home team has a privilege not to announce their squad and keep including whoever, whenever they may like. Makes sense, but what would be the case in 2011 WC? Will India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangldesh doing the same? As regards hotel arrangements they usually make a block reservation for groups of 15 or 20 people, so numbers are important but names doesn’t matter.

    Anyways, whatever the case may be, my point is Pakistan has always delayed the announcement of their squad till the last moment. You may check out the past history of any world cup, ICC champions trophy, tri-series or any other tournament whereas, all other countries announce their squad much ahead of the tournament, but the PCB selectors are busy with something else and they wait for the deadline date and announce it on the eleventh hour.

    Yes, its possible that the team might be the same which played in the tri-series. I would like to see Sohail Khan bowling in one of the matches. While sitting in the dugout, the peroxide kid was looking very hyped up and cheerful in the final against India. He may not appear that cheerful and gleeful if he is in the playing XI, especially if he is on the receiving end. Like, Wahab Riaz was seen sitting there with a gloomy look on his face perhaps his confidence is shattered after that 88 runs in 9.2 overs? He was thrown in the deep end too early and to get over the shock he needs to be thrown in the deep sea. Thats the only way to recover fast and to regain his lost confidence.

  4. #4 by abdul on June 18, 2008 - 3:13 PM

    Wonderful composed thread and some ineteresting stats and history of the Asia cup. Firstly regarding the reverse sweep dilema I know the shot is indimidating and embarassing for the bolwers but the bolwer could even stop half way through his run up and put the batsmen of himself. So therefore I feel we shall allow batsmen to play the shot as it’s a great sight and entertaining for the game in general.

    Regarding the Asia cup Pakistan stand a good shout of glroy having won the kitfly cup but now is the real challenge and there is no room for sloppiness and and unsupirisingly I back there chances but they must play well.

  5. #5 by khansahab on June 18, 2008 - 8:20 PM

    Gautam Gambhir’s achievements:

    * Gambhir has been the second-highest run-getter in ODIs in 2008: his 649 runs have only been bettered by Salman Butt.
    * He topped the run-scoring charts for most part of the Indian Premier League, but was pipped by Shaun Marsh into second place. He hit the most fours – 68, but cleared the boundary only eight times.
    * Gambhir scored 440 runs in the CB Series in Australia, outdoing the likes of Sachin Tendulkar and Matthew Hayden.
    * He led from the front in Delhi’s successful 2007-08 Ranji Trophy campaign, scoring 730 runs at an average of 91.25.
    * All four of Gambhir’s hundreds for Delhi came in the second innings of a match, with two of them steering the team to victory in the semi-final and final.
    * With 227 runs, Gambhir was India’s top run-scorer at the World Twenty20 in South Africa.

  6. #6 by khansahab on June 18, 2008 - 8:22 PM

    LOL

    Would you believe it, Salman Butt is the highest run getter in 2008?

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2008 - 9:04 PM

    In test matches it is Shivnaraine Chanderpaul amazing record, amazing average. 5 centuries, so many not outs and his average is over 100, read or hear Tony Greig’s podocast.

    In ODI’s this year Shahid Afridi tops in bowling, he has taken most wickets so far I think its 24 in 11 matches. Anyways, records are meant to be broken. Lets see how ASIA CUP goes and how many records are created here. A lot is expected from India and they have also scored well in Karachi. Remember that high scoring match in Karachi 4 years ago? It was the highest ever, until Australia broke it in SA, that 400 runs barrier and SA successfully chased it and won it, since then Sri Lanka had another 400 plus against Amsterdam, if I am not mistaken. When and who will break the 500 barrier? Who will break Saeed Anwar’s record of 194 runs and make 200 runs? Whoever will do that, will also break Shahid Afridi’s fastest hundred too.

  8. #8 by khansahab on June 18, 2008 - 9:26 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    Somehow I feel no one will be able to break Afridi’s record. That record can only be broken by someone who plays with his heart and someone who has a rare talent of striking the ball very cleanly but with also a lot of power.

    McCullum, Jayasuria, Pieterson may come close but I certainly don’t think anyone can surpass that. They might make centuries in 42-43 balls but someone will have to be very unique to make a century in 36 balls.

    Today I saw this news piece where the PCB Chief Operating Officer was having a conference with Dave Richardson and the organiser of Champions Trophy which will take place in September. In such conferences the captain of the team of the host nation has to attend and offer his opinion. Malik wasn’t there and Misbah was doing it in his place, because of the “English” factor.

  9. #9 by khansahab on June 18, 2008 - 9:28 PM

    That child Sreesanth is at it again:

    “The Cricket Board has sought details about the unsavoury happenings involving temperamental pacer S Sreesanth two days ago at a Bangalore hotel where he’s staying while taking part in the BCCI’s camp at the National Cricket Academy.

    “We have written letters to the hotel management and Sreesanth asking for details about what exactly happened there. He’s staying there while attending the camp and his room has been booked by us. We would like to know what has happened after reading about the incident in the newspapers,” said BCCI CAO Prof Ratnakar Shetty on Wednesday.

    According to hotel sources, Sreesanth, who was involved in ‘slapgate’ with India mate Harbhajan Singh during the Indian Premier League, got into an argument with the staff of the hotel and created a ‘scene’ after complaining of ‘too much noise’ from an air conditioner in his room.

    The sources alleged that the Kerala speedster lashed out at the hotel staff after they requested him to bear with them for half an hour to carry out repairs.

    He wanted to change the room immediately in the early hours but was told no vacant room was available. A couple of his friends also joined him in arguing with the hotel staff, the hotel sources alleged.

    Sreesanth later “patched up” with the hotel staff, they said.

    Sreesanth is in Bangalore undergoing rehabilitation for his side strain sustained at the fag end of the Indian Premier League that has ruled him out of cricket for the whole of this month.

    He has already missed the tri-series in Bangladesh, his place in the team taken up by Manpreet Singh Gony, and is set to miss the June 24-July 6 Asia Cup in Pakistan too.”

  10. #10 by Rehan Khan on June 18, 2008 - 10:09 PM

    I think the writer in the previous thread was very right. Doctor Nasim and Younus both of them have not got their due. I found the writer’s arguments very convincing for the following reasons:

    a) Has anyone ever thought about Younus’s personality? Is he the type of guy that will settle for a dummy coach and interventionist PCB officials? Should he also become a dummy captain like Malik. If he accepts captaincy will it help Pakistan knowing how astray the PCB is? How will the players react towards Younus? Will Malik, Asif, Misbah, Yousuf and Akmal happily accept him as their leader? Will Afridi accept him, it is known Afridi wants to captain the team. My opinion is if Afridi can accept Malik he will definitely accept Younus.

    b) Can anyone tell me if any PCB Chairman’s tenure has been so much affected by crisis? Not in my memory. Here DNA had to fight one crisis after another. DNA can’t intervene and snap his fingers and change the cricket situation. Whatever happens it will probably be a slow and gradual process.

    c) I was reading an article yesterday about how positive changes have shown in PCB since DNA’s tenure which no one gives him credit for. DNA is treated very much like Musharraf who appointed him. The domestic structure has been improved and there are new measures for accountability. I think a culture of honesty is being promoted which is good. DNA gets credit for introducing central contracts which will make sure that players can focus more on their cricket and don’t have to worry about their standard of living that much because they will be getting a decent monthly income.

    So I think we should analyze the situation before giving a judgment.

  11. #11 by Awas on June 18, 2008 - 10:17 PM

    Mr Smiley

    Sir, thank you for enquiring about me.

    I am fine but I have been ultra busy…it was like the work was coming out of my ears and from everywhere. I couldn’t spare time to write anything but have been reading all posts.

    I notice you and Khansahab earlier had been talking about who should be called sir and who shouldn’t. At the end it’s a personal choice. Many shop assistants call their customers sir, young or old. The most senior boss at my work sometimes quizzes a youngster, upon entering his office: “yes sir, what can I do you for”? Perhaps it’s just the context and the manner in which it is said.

    Khansahab

    Sir, nice thoughts on whether some of the records can be broken or not…as also mentioned by Javed A Khan.

    In this Asia Cup, it is perfectly possible though for something like that to happen against teams like Munir’s UAE and a team full of Chinamen from Hong Kong.

    I wonder if Munir’s loyalties would be split in this tournament!!!

    MY Kasim

    As not much cricket as you previously mentioned: “Let us not waste our energy discussing cricket and focus on something funny and entertaining”. So, this is especially for you:

    A blonde was on vacation and driving through Darwin. She desperately wanted to take home a pair of genuine crocodile shoes but was very reluctant to pay the high prices the local vendors were asking.

    After becoming very frustrated with the “no haggle on prices” attitude of one of the shopkeepers, the blonde shouted, well then, maybe I’ll just go out and catch my own crocodile, so I can get a pair of shoes for free”

    The shopkeeper said with a sly, knowing smile, “Little lady, just go and give it a try”!

    The blonde headed out toward the river, determined to catch a crocodile! Later in the day, as the shopkeeper is driving home, he pulls over to the side of the bank where he spots the same young woman standing waist deep in the murky water, shotgun in hand.

    Just then, he spots a huge 3 metre croc swimming rapidly toward her. With lightning speed, she takes aim, kills the creature and hauls it onto the slimy banks of the river. Lying nearby were 7 more of the dead creatures, all lying on their backs. The shopkeeper stood on the bank, watching in silent amazement. The blonde struggled and flipped the Croc onto its back.

    Rolling her eyes heavenward and screaming in great frustration, she shouts out…….

    “SH!T, SH!T, SH!T, THIS ONE’S BAREFOOT,
    TOO”!

  12. #12 by kaleem on June 18, 2008 - 11:44 PM

    abdul,
    was you trying to say “kitPly” instead of “kitFly”?

    sorry just wondering maybe i am confused?
    if its a mistake dont worry because all of us make mistakes.

  13. #13 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2008 - 4:01 AM

    I think the analysis made by khansahab and Rehan on the captaincy role and the PCB CEO’s role needs to be read with an open mind. You can say the glass if half empty or you can say the glass is half full. Its more important to be realistically positive. I have said this before that we have not given DNA his due, he has done a few positive things for the progress of cricket in Pakistan especially at the domestic level and he is not getting enough time to review things and improve them because one after the other he is faced with a bigger and new problem.

    Shoaib’s ban has been reduced from 5 years to 18 months and he is going to appeal again. Asif is still in detention and thats something that needs to be resolved or at least settled one way or the other. The Asia Cup is about to start and then the Champions Trophy and the question of captaincy, the opening conundrum and in general the team is not settled or gelled as one unit. They may show sporadic brilliance from time to time but, that is not enough. So, I agree with both khansahab and Rehan that he needs time to prove his achievements.

    On the question of grooming Misbah for Captaincy, just because his English is better, its a disaster recipe. If that is the criteria then Inzamam and Malik shouldn’t have been made captains. I have nothing against Misbah he is a nice guy, but making him or replacing him as a captain only to ouster Malik is not a good idea. Because, Misbah has not proved his worth as a captain even at the domestic level. At the domestic level Afridi has a proven record. Also, in terms of seniority in the team (not age wise) he is second after Mohammad Yousuf. Everyone else in the team is junior than him. Mohammad Yousuf has shown NO willingness to captain the team. And Younus Khan has rejected it twice. Whether Misbah will turn the tables and also will he be able to stabilize the team and have a good rapport with the seniors, is something that needs to be seen. Therefore, if Malik needs to be replaced there is no one better than Afridi. Period !

    khansahab

    Regarding Shanta Kumara Sreesanth, he has proved that if there is no one around him he can fight with the wind. The noise of air-conditioning unit was bothering him? Bataiyeh ! He is a nut case, when I read the headlines on cricinfo that he is undergoing a rehabilitation programme, first I thought its some kinda detox session that he needs to go for a rehab. But, then after reading more I discovered that its his injury that he needs rest. I guess he certainly needs to be rehabilitated for his attitude.

    Awas thats a good one, at least they have painted the picture of a bold and brave blonde. Here is another good one about a blonde.

    On a flight, a young dynamic lawyer was sitting next to a young beautiful blonde and he was very anxious to flirt with her. She was absolutely bored and tired and not interested in this lawyer and wanted to take a nap. He asked her a few questions and she replied to the point and closed her eyes to take a nap. He then offered her to play a game. He said, how about I ask you a question and if you answer I will give you $5 and you do the same. She stared back at him, yawned and closed her eyes again.

    He was kinda pissed off, he then said, OK, you ask me a question if I don’t answer I will give you $500 and when I ask a question if you don’t answer just give me only $5. She looked at him rolled her eyes, smiled at him and asked him this question:“What is that, that goes up with three legs and comes down with only 2 legs?” The lawyer said, OK fine I will give you a reply soon. She closed her eyes again to take a nap.

    The lawyer pulled out his laptop and then started to search on the Internet, couldn’t find any answer to her question. Took out his cell phone / used the airline phone, called his friends to help him in finding an answer to the blonde’s question. Finally after an hour or two when he couldn’t get any answer, he took out $500 from his wallet and gave it to the blonde and asks her: “Tell me what is the answer?” She takes out a $5 bill from her purse gives it to him and goes back to sleep.

    C’est ca.

  14. #14 by Mohammed Munir - Sharjah, UAE. on June 19, 2008 - 8:46 AM

    Nice new thread, with really valuable stats. We can all search and find those stats, but we just love them when they come ready at your fingertips and you don’t have to go through the trouble. Thanks LS guys !!

    Seeing everybody’s response to some nice and amusing jokes around and the fun in reading them, I request the owners of this blog to start thinking about a dedicated section for nice jokes and funny storeys. Trust me, it will be a success, just like the “Hot Gals & Cars” and “Bavarchi Khan” had been.

    In this time and age, we all live with much tension and under tremendous internal/ external pressures, and it’s a treasure when you find a reason to laugh or even smile.

    Awas …

    LOL @ Mr. Smiley and your croc joke.

    Yes you are absolutely right, I sure will have my loyalties tested for the forthcoming Asia Cup.

    However, you really don’t know why? Well my friend, you will be surprised to know, that my ‘sugga’ brother is the Vice Captain of UAE Cricket Team. Yes sure guys, Mohammed Touqir is my brother. We have been living here in UAE for all our lives, and he was born in UAE too. So he is playing for the UAE National Cricket Team.

    I don’t know if any of your guys will remember him, he scored a fifty against Indian and took a prized wicket of VVS Laxman in his debut ODI during 2004 Asia Cup, at Dambulla, Sri Lank. Here have a look:

    http://content-gulf.cricinfo.com/other/content/player/25601.html

    Nevertheless, all said and done, I am still a Pakka Paki at heart, and other then my own brother’s good performance; I am not much interested in UAE team 😉

    Finally, here are a joke or two, to bring ‘smiles’ to your faces:

    About “Sir” (Joke) …

    One day, a man goes into a pet shop to buy a parrot. The shop owner points to three identical looking parrots sitting on a perch and says: “The parrot to the left costs 500 dollars”.

    “Why does the parrot cost so much?” The customer asks.

    The owner says, “Well, it is quite, polite, and it knows how to use a computer.”

    The customer asks about the next parrot and is told by the shop owner, “That one costs 1,000 dollars because it can do everything the first parrot can do, plus it knows how to use the UNIX operating system.”

    Naturally, the increasingly shocked man asks about the third parrot and is told “That this is a special one, and it costs 5,000 dollars.”

    Surprised, the man asks, so what do you think is the reason for this high price for this parrot?

    The owner replies “To be honest, I have never seen him doing anything except eating, sleeping and shouting, and it is not much useful, but the other two parrots call him SIR”

    Second Joke …

    A prisoner escapes from the prison, where he has served 15 years. He stops at a house and breaks into it.

    He finds a young couple in bed. He gets the guy out of bed, ties him up on a chair, ties up the woman to the bed and while he gets on top of her. He kisses her on the neck, then gets up, and goes to the bathroom.

    While he is in bathroom, the husband tells his wife: “Listen darling, this guy is a prisoner, look at his clothes! He probably spent a lot of time in jail, and has not seen a woman in years. I saw the way he kissed your neck. If he wants ‘s*x’, don’t resist him, don’t complain, just do what he tells you, give him satisfaction. This guy’s dangerous, if he gets angry, he will kill us both. Be strong, honey. I love you.”

    To which the wife responds, “He was not kissing my neck, darling. He was whispering in my ear. He told me that he is a ‘gay’, and found you very ‘sexy’, and asked if we kept any Vaseline in the bathroom. Be strong, honey. I love you too …”

    More for later … 😉

  15. #15 by Awas on June 19, 2008 - 9:06 AM

    Munir

    Aaha…so it’s your brother in the UAE team…that’s very interesting indeed…hope he performs well to make you all proud…Good luck to him.

    Nice jokes…LOL

  16. #16 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2008 - 1:04 PM

    Today’s GOOD NEWS is KAMRAN AKMAL has been DROPPED.

    But, the suspense continues, the team will be announced on June 22nd. The twenty probables announced still has Bazid Khan’s name in it. The surprise inclusion is Yasir Hamid, perhaps they want to try him with Butt. “I am agree naat.”

    Yasir Hameed has been in and out and is lacking in confidence and also in form. Besides he is only a batsman and a slightly better fielder than Mohammad Yousuf. Today’s game requires more than that, besides being a good batsman, one has to be bowling a bit and fielding a lot. How many specialist batsmen we have? Butt, Hameed, Yousuf, Younus, Misbah and how many specialist bowlers we have? Plenty! Are they all good and reliable? You have to think twice like a diplomat and say nothing. The team needs more all-rounders in shorter format of the game.

    Talking about diplomacy, efforts at the top level are being made by the Pakistanis to get the P dot Asif out of Dubai. Senator Chaudhary Zafar Iqbal P. is saying, rather demanding that, “Asif is a superstar of our country and he represents us, so bring him back ASAP.”

    As if other Pakistanis don’t represent Pakistan only this uneducated, uncouth, uncivilized, alcoholic, repeated drug offender caught possessing drugs, is a superstar? And this P. Senator wants the President and the Prime Minster of Pakistan to intervene and get the ‘poop-er’ star out ASAP. What a load of cow manure and how farcical and comical these “Snayters” are.

    Since Kamran Akmal is out and Sarfarz is in, the reason behind this move is snoozing Ali (Talat) realized that even DNA has mentioned in his email about Akmal dropping a catch and claiming it as genuine, if he ignores this one and snooze over it then the axe may fall on him as well. So, in his report he wrote that the keeping was pathetic and needs to be replaced. Malak had to swallow this bitter pill with a spoon full of sugar. He must sing Bahadur Shah Zafar’s kalaam:

    Mera rang roop bigar gaya, mera yaar mujh say bichar gaya
    Jo chaman fizaan may ujar gaya, main usee ki fasl-e-bahar hoon

    May be this is too hard for Malak to sing he might sing “Mera Laung Gwacha”
    And Akmal must be responding with, “Sanu Nair Walay Pull tay Bulakay…….”

  17. #17 by Awas on June 19, 2008 - 1:47 PM

    Javed

    This is good news…we need a better keeper and I hope Sarfraz is one. In a couple of games he played, he was good.

    In that leak of email thread what I said was this:

    “Another good thing is after the leak of email and specific mention of ‘looking for another keeper’; Kamran Akmal’s is out”

  18. #18 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2008 - 3:10 PM

    ANOTHER BREAKING NEWS

    Asif’s case dropped and he is heading MachiKay, Sheikhupura.

    Jashn manao, wo bhee:

    Jaan laga kay
    Zor laga kay
    Dhol baja kay
    whatever murra kay
    Izzat lutaa kay
    Daroo Pee Kay
    Charas Pee Kay
    Bhang chara kay………….hulla bowl.

    Jithay dee khotee uthay Aan khaloti.

  19. #19 by Mohammed Munir on June 19, 2008 - 4:09 PM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ Urdu/ Pun-jabi Shaairee.

    Today you are “Breaking” all the good news 😉

  20. #20 by khansahab on June 19, 2008 - 8:29 PM

    Rehan Khan,

    Good analysis there.

    There are some positives to draw out from the list of probables. Akmal has finally been sidelined and Sarfraz named as his replacement. I can’t believe people have been blaming the Selection Comittee for the playing XI’s ever since Malik took over. How much more proof do people want that it is because of Malik Sarfraz has been ignored and Fawad has not had good chances to prove his worth?

    A recent Cricinfo article categorically states, “Part of the reason Akmal was persisted with for so long was that he was Shoaib Malik’s preference………”. Didn’t we all know this this time around last year?
    I hope as time goes further truths come to light, such as Malik’s desire to rid Afridi from the team.

    Rauf and Hameed are also good inclusions. I remember the last series Hameed played he was very poor but he deserves a good run in the opening department. The problem with Pakistani selection is that players are either tried for too long or they are tried only for a very short while. There seems to be no middle way. Whereas Hameed has been in and out of the squad plenty of times, whenever he has been in he has not been given consistent chances and Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat and Salman Butt have always been preferred over him.

    This is a bit like, Mohammad Sami was given so many chances yet he kept worsening. It was a tragic end for Sami because Akmal dropped so many catches off him, at a time when his bowling actually showed some signs of improving finally.

    I would like to see some youngsters outperforming Malik in this Cup. Hopefully this will be the last series Malik captains Pakistan?

  21. #21 by khansahab on June 19, 2008 - 8:52 PM

    Awas,

    Thanks for needling me with that “Sir” comment.

    Sir, it is so kind of you to call me “sir”.

    🙂

  22. #22 by khansahab on June 19, 2008 - 9:14 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    You are right about Misbah being a nice guy and all. What is more important than the question “Should he become captain” is, “Does he deserve captaincy”? He has only been in the team for a short while and he must be eternally grateful to Salauddin Ahmed for selecting him. Some jingoists blame Salauddin for keeping players from Punjab out of the team, but who is responsible for Misbah’s and Sohail Tanvir’s permanent inclusion?

    Let us be fair. Misbah for all his niceness and English speaking prowess hasn’t really shown himself to be a brilliant ODI or Test player, although he is a good T20 player. He was average against South Africa last year which is the only good team he has played against so far with the exclusion of India. So I don’t think Misbah has great credentials. The only reason he is vice captain is because he can speak a bit of English and because he is Malik’s buddy.

    Meanwhile Afridi has proved time and again that he is a fighter. His bowling is so good now, that his place should be guaranteed in the team ahead of players like Younis, Malik, and Misbah. I don’t think seniority matters so much, what matters more is leadership ability and consistent performance. Misbah may have leadership ability but he should not be considered for captaincy unless he scores well against teams like South Africa, Australia or scores well in conditions like playing against England in England or New Zealand in New Zealand. Otherwise his case will be that of a “andhon mai kaana raaja”.

    To further agree with Javed A Khan, let us analyse the captaincy candidates:

    Misbah: already explained, good performance needed

    Butt: good performance needed

    Akmal: does not deserve it on merit, is hopefully out of the team

    Younis: has rejected it

    Yousuf: asked for it too late and does not show leadership qualities

    Asif: too many behavioral and injury problems

    Shoaib Akhtar: needs to be in the team first!

    Umar Gul: too early, needs to cement his position first and also improve injury record

    Sohail Tanvir: could be a gamble but needs consistency, also we don’t know how he is in Tests

  23. #23 by khansahab on June 19, 2008 - 9:23 PM

    Mohammad Munir,

    It’s great to know your brother is in the UAE team. I wonder how it feels to be a family member of a famous person? Let us hope inshallah he performs well and does you proud.

    Is he an older brother or a younger brother? Because Cricinfo says his age is 36, so this is an excellent way to get some sort of indication about your age. 🙂 Come on you can tell us if he is older or younger? Just for me putting the pic of Neha Oberoi on LS Hot Gals for you, if nothing else? 🙂

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 20, 2008 - 3:03 PM

    Three more days to go for the Asia Cup to start in Pakistan a lot of people are excited and, some of them are very happy about the release of Mohammad Asif through V. VIP diplomatic efforts. Sure, how farcical this diplomatic victory could be can be judged from the comments made by Chaudhary’s, Waderas and Snayters. They wowed to bring him back “becaz he is a Sally-Betty.” The rest of the Pakistanis are “hare phair.”

    The irony is, even after that nincompoop admitting and changing his story several times that it is some “hakeemi majoon” or substance that he got from a Hakeem, it was confirmed by the Dubai authorities that it is a contraband substance and according to their law the possessor of such substance has to be punished. Now, they have brought him back and the evidence will be erased so that the mystery substance could not be verified and he could not be proved guilty or charged by the ICC or WADA, hence he could play again on the pretext that during the IPL he was tested twice and his dope test was clear. Hence he is as innocent as a baby in his diapers.

    The aspects of morality, righteousness, good conduct and ethics have no place in our society, he has ruined the name of the country by creating such a mess he has openly admitted that he has been consuming alcohol at places where he is not supposed to and its a known fact that he was tested positive of Nandrolone, yet he needs to be defended by the top notch VIP’s because he is a ‘sally-Betty.” Lets put him in the freezer along with the elephants and Giraffe and talk about the Asia Cup.

    I wrote above in one of my comments that Pakistan plays well at Karachi, those were based on test match statistics, even those have changed after SA defeated them. Barring the games against minnows, Pakistan’s winning record in Karachi is actually very abysmal. The first ODI was played 28 years ago between Pakistan and the mighty West Indies and Gordon Greenidge the opening batsman was there till the end to hit the winning shot for the WI. So, you can imagine the thumping defeat Pakistan got at the hands of WI.

    Even the historic high scoring match against India 4 years ago when Moin Khan failed to hit a four on the last ball of Ashish Nehra’s over was enough tonic for the Indians to forget about the past and win that series. Had Pakistan won that match the whole story would have been a different one. It was one of the rare occasions that Inzamam’s century was in vain due to poor batting by Shoaib Malik, Rana Naveed and Moin Khan in the end.

    So, based on those few games against tough opposition I have a feeling that Pakistan does not have that privilege of being considered as favourites. Everyone is considering India as favourites and that one match (final of Kitply Tri-Series) will not demoralize them or change their aggressive style of batting. Jayasuriya is also pumped up after the IPL and on his day he could be very dangerous. Jayawardene and Sangakara are very dependable. Whereas, Pakistan’s all-rounders Afridi & Malik are struggling with the bat and Malik is limping in all departments.

    The only thing I can predict about Pakistan is their unpredictability. If by any chance they manage to reach the final then, they might be able to turn the tables. But, to say for sure they will win Asia Cup is like asking them to bring the stars and the moon. They might say, ‘we will cross the bridge, when we will come to the bridge. So, lets hope they come to the bridge first.

  25. #25 by Mohammed Munir on June 20, 2008 - 4:22 PM

    Awas …

    Thanks a lot for your sincere wishes for my brother at Aisa Cup 2008. Yes we are all really proud for him. We know these guys don’t stand much chance in front of the professional teams, but at least they are making an impression. You will be surprised to know that my brother is a professional banker at Barclays Bank Dubai, however, for them cricket is like weekly affair. Something which they do for the love of the game, and not as a full time paying profession. This is the storey of all UAE players, they have to avail their own annuals leaves from offices for such tournaments 😦 . Sad but it is true.

    Khan Sahab …

    When I was writing about my brother here, this thought crossed my mind that someone will ask weather he is younger or older to me, that’s why I kept silent. I also knew that his age is right there on cricinfo and this could lead to my age.

    But I was expecting all these from ‘someone’ else and not you. I may be an age-wise ‘competitor’ to a few others on this blog, but not to you. As you are way ‘behind’ me 😉

    Anyways, what the hell, since we don’t have any girls around anyway, I will tell you my age for satisfying your curiosity.

    You really cornered me, and I can not ‘duck’ or ‘leave’ your bouncer, so I will take this rising delivery and hook it over the boundary line 😉

    Touqir is my younger brother, and I was born on 9th June 1968, and yes a few days back, I was 40 years ‘young’.

    Now remember, as they say, “Life Begins at Forty”, and they also say, “Men at Forty, Get Naughty” 😉

    Now that I am out of the way, you can now target Awas, Javed Khan and theossa 😉

  26. #26 by Hanumanth Rao on June 20, 2008 - 8:20 PM

    I must say that you guys are doing a great job by writing appropriate threads on Asia Cup and this is much ahead of other sites. Today, I went to Pakspin only to get extremely disappointed by the subject of the thread and the way the bloggers have responded, I didn’t feel like writing anything on that blog. I agree with the views of this thread on LS that we don’t need to discuss a trivial subject like whether to legalize reverse sweep or ban it? For us Asia Cup is a better and more important subject than Kevin Pietersen’s reverse sweep. And I don’t understand why Kamran writes such senseless threads? And now he is getting a backlash from his own readers and that is mainly from anti Pakistani propagandist and for that I must say that Pakspin should be renamed to Pakbashing blog.

    Javed Khan you are absolutely right in condemning Asif’s release and I won’t be surprised if he would be included in the team in Asia Cup and that would be a real shame that for the sake of winning if the Pakistan selectors select him in the Asia Cup squad and they ignore what he did. Whether he was punished by the Dubai authorities or whether ICC will punish him in future is another issue but, Pakistan should not allow him to play without penalizing him. Since all the matches are D/N it would be nice to see matches being played without rain because I was told by my Pakistani friend that weather in Karachi is not like the weather in Dhaka.

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 20, 2008 - 8:32 PM

    Indian bloggers have lost interest in cricket after the Kitply tournament come on guys, cheer up there is a tournament to be played so come back and write something about how you feel? I can understand your feelings but there is no need to hide them by not writing.

    I know theossa is busy during this week and he will come back only on Monday but what happened to the rest of the blokes? amit, phirwohi, sakhti, praveen et all don’t you guys like to predict about India winning the Asia Cup? What if I say Pakistan will beat them again, will you accept it? Like the Indian filim heroine when she says nothing it means she is agreeing, so if you don’t reply I will assume that you guys are with me and want Pakistan to win.

  28. #28 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on June 20, 2008 - 8:36 PM

    Asif is released and someone was saying that he will play. How much truth is in this statement? Can anyone verify? I was also told that the reason Pakistan is not announcing its team for Asia Cup is they want to see the possibilities of including Asif i the team, they will try to see the public reaction as well as that of the ICC. From cricinfo it is obvious that WADA will take action against him. The other news about Shoaib Akhtar’s 18 months ban is also a silly decision because right now he is 34 and can hardly bowl 2 overs after 18 months or when he plays another match that is if at all he is selected it could be even 2 years and by that time he would me more old and more unfit so will he bowl? I doubt

  29. #29 by khansahab on June 20, 2008 - 9:31 PM

    Mohammad Munir,

    A belated happy birthday to you. A man is as old as he feels so if your “dill” is jawan you need not worry 🙂

    Hanumanth Rao,

    Sir, thanks for your constant appreciation. We have maintained all the way through that this blog is for Pakistani and Indian fans both. The 3 managers may have some natural Pakistani biases but we try to cover India as much as we can. But if only a handful of Indians are going to comment, other Indians will not feel motivated to pass their opinions! So please everyone should help each other by commenting!

    Javed A Khan is right when he says that it is due to diplomatic efforts Asif has been released. Mosty it’s due to the efforts of senators like Zafar Iqbal Chaudhary who persuaded the authorities to release Asif. Legslip managers predicted way back that it would not be legal grounds but diplomatic and political grounds that would secure Asif’s release.

  30. #30 by Amit. P on June 20, 2008 - 9:37 PM

    Still 6 days to go my frnds …. Asia cup starts with indo-pak clash .. atleast for me … javed getting nervous so early LOL

    Like the Indian filim heroine, when she says nothing, it means she is agreeing.

    What if indian film heroe says nothing … it means he is planning for a blockbuster 😉

    including final (assuming pak is going to be there) we got to play 3 games with ur team … and this time no kidding like “kidplay” cup.
    Will rite soon guys …..
    till then hold ur breath javed

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 21, 2008 - 1:52 AM

    he he amit

    that filmi dialogue worked for you, in Dr. Edward De Bono’s language its called provocation. And, I am not nervous at all, I want participation from you guys, make assumptions, predictions thats fun. You don’t have to be right, no one can be right all the time, if we are right all the time then we can divert our energies and our focus on something else and make money. Predictions about who will win is only for fun.

    I pay attention to only to the Indian filmi heroine dialogues and don’t pay much attention to Indian heroes dialogues but I know that, a good diplomat think twice before saying nothing. Whereas a Pakistani diplomat think nothing before blabbering and splattering in public. The example is that Pind da Chaudhry Snayter. So I will pass that comment from you about dialogues and leave it for khansahab or Munir to respond to you.

    I think our new kid on the blog Sakthi is refilling his energy bottle or recharging his batteries for the Asia Cup but some of the old buddies like Pandit Jee and Phirwohi have gone into hibernation. khansahab you may bet or speculate or whatever you may like you are free to do, all I can say is I am thirty something and I will leave it for your baccha imagination to think and imagine whatever you may like.

    Its time to eat dinner, so ttyl tomorrow. Have a nice week-end guys!

  32. #32 by Rohit on June 21, 2008 - 11:03 AM

    i want to openly apologize to M. Y. Kasim for my rude and unpleasant remarks to him on a previous blog, some months ago. i was forced into making those remarks because i have great respect for javed khan, awas, khansaab, but i thought mr kasim was insulting them on another site.
    i have been in contact with all 3 of this site’s managers and found them to be decent and tolerant people. i have also found by reading Mr kasim’s comment that he is a decent person himself. so i am really sorry.
    i hope no hard feelings! i dont have much time to comment but i read this site everyday. all the comments are intelligent and fun to read. it is good you guys tend to cover the indian perspective as well.

    god bless

    Rohit

  33. #33 by khansahab on June 21, 2008 - 3:59 PM

    This is what Mohammad Asif has said in his latest interview:

    “I never took any drugs or banned substances. I have never used drugs in my life and I challenge anyone to prove I took drugs.”

    I like Asif’s sense of humour!

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 21, 2008 - 8:37 PM

    khansahab

    That DUDDOO doesn’t even know the meaning of humour. Aur agar zara bhee sense hota tou why would have he gone to Dubai? No idiot but Asif would have thought of taking a flight from Delhi to Lahore via Dubai.

    And how many times he changed his statement about that Majoon?

    First he denied that he had no knowledge by saying its a conspiracy.
    Then he accepted it as a hakeemi majoon for stamina.
    Then he denied it again by saying I don’t know how it came into his wallet.
    Then he accepted it by saying its Salajeet and the hakeem gave him.
    Then again he denied it by saying, he has no idea what it is and from where it came and who planted it?

    The media is saying he was deported.
    The PCB announced we got him repatriated.

    There is a big difference between deporting and repatriating and which one is correct? I have a feeling that he has been repatriated after a high level discussion between the two governments and they must have assured the UAE government that; “we will investigate the matter ourselves and we will punish him accordingly.” But, trust me there will be no punishment as the evidence is lost and gone, it will become a mystery like, Zia’s assassination or Benazir’s assassination. Like who killed Kennedy or how Marilyn Monroe died? Asif Presley is alive and he is a living legend from Machikay Sheikhupura and he will play for Pakastan again and that too “vary”soon.

  35. #35 by Awas on June 21, 2008 - 10:27 PM

    Javed

    I agree that in Asif’s case, ‘the truth but the whole truth’ would never be known but in my opinion he would be punished, and rightly so, if he was charged by the UAE authorities.

    The only extenuating circumstances are that his urine test was clear and he apologised to the nation but a mere apology should not exonerate him from the punishment if he was charged.

    Khansahab

    You did a good job in finding Munir’s and Javed’s ages or near enough in Javed’s case. I think you may have forgotten, Theossa did mention once that he was 29.

  36. #36 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 21, 2008 - 10:57 PM

    Hanumanth Rao

    I agree with you on the anti Pakistani propaganda on PakSpin and that is not just about Kamran Abbasi or what he writes but, its being done in a very orchestrated manner to prevent the Champions Trophy that will be played in September. Those raising anti Pakistani slogans are a handful of Australians and New Zealanders and a few desi in disguise. Whereas, a majority of the people from the sub-continent who love cricket they are not worried about petty security issues. After all during the IPL there were a series of bomb blasts that took place in the city of Jaipur and several people died, did they stop the tournament? Did they change the venue? Although, Shane Warne and Shane Watson both from RR tried their best to change the venue but that didn’t happen. Had that been anywhere in Pakistan they would have packed their bags and left. Another important thing was $$$$$$$$$$ and plenty of them. Secondly, there is not a single incident where the cricket players were targeted. In London during that July 7 bombings England and Australia were playing Ashes at Lords and they were hardly 2 k.m. away from that point.

    Lets see how the Asia Cup goes and it would be an example for others especially the ICC and the paranoid cricket team in the world – Australia.

    Awas

    I understand your point of view but what they are doing is very obvious, its just like “Duniya ki aankhaon may dhool jhonkna” by considering the whole world as naive, rather idiot. There is a three men committee that has been set up to investigate the case and one of the members is that chap Akram who went to Dubai and was changing his statements along with Asif like a chameleon. So, what do you expect from them? It will be like that Intikhab Alam committee that was set up to investigate Shoaib Akhtar’s case and what was the result?

    I think they will talk ‘goal moal’ and will allow him to play because, if they punish him lightly then the ICC will not accept. Either a full punishment or no punishment. Its not a disciplinary “Jeevan Sudhar Moamla” like, Akhtar’s punishment is reduced from 5 years to 18 months. Asif’s case is a drug related matter hence they ought to clear him and they will say there is no evidence – his blood and urine report is clear – the Majoon was the only evidence and even that could be replaced with something minor like, Hajmola and say yae tou pait kay dard ki dawa thee. And that Hakeem who will be called to testify will swear on his mother’s grave that Asif bhee uski terha, apni Maa Kaa …. Bhooooo … Laaaa Buccha hai and he is total innocent. Lo kurr lo gul.

  37. #37 by Mohammed Munir on June 22, 2008 - 10:00 AM

    Some known facts about ‘ages’:

    – Khan Sahab : 19 years (writes way mature then his age, so there is an element of doubt here).

    – Mohammed Munir : 40 years (self confessed).

    – theossa : 29 years (closest estimation).

    – Javed A. Khan : says he is 30 something (Fahrenheit or Centigrade? 😉 ).

    – Awas : Totally and truly unknown (though from his picture he looks ‘senior most’ ).

  38. #38 by Mohammed Munir on June 22, 2008 - 10:02 AM

    Oh yes, I forget to mentions this, as they say, “age is nothing but a number” 😉

  39. #39 by khansahab on June 22, 2008 - 10:04 AM

    Munir Sahab,

    I’m 21 and not 19! When I went on Pakspin for the first time I was 19, so maybe you remember that figure from that time.
    Abdul says he is the youngest member of the site. Abdul may be 18/19.

  40. #40 by Mohammed Munir on June 22, 2008 - 10:31 AM

    Khan Sahab …

    So my ‘doubt’ was correct then 😉

    Now the “baby of the blog” crown goes to Mr. Abdul, till we have anyone else claiming it.

  41. #41 by khansahab on June 22, 2008 - 11:20 AM

    Breaking News

    Jane McGrath, wife of Australian pacer Glenn McGrath has died of cancer. Our sympathies are with Glenn who is one of the best bowlers the cricket world has seen.

    Inna-lillahi-wa-inna-ilaihi-rajioon

  42. #42 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 22, 2008 - 3:43 PM

    @ Rohit,

    I dont recall having been insulted by you ever, if so, I have no hard feelings.

    It is true I sometimes speak my mind without caring for the cosequences, which has cost me dearly in my life. My friends and well-wishers tells me to be a little subtle and diplomatic but I dont have those qualities and suffer due to it.

    It is true as pointed out by Hanumanth Rao that Pakspin has become a vehicle to outpour poisonous profanity on Islam and Pakistan and I have only this morning written as such on it with three different links to prove a little point on which others started to disagree.

    Here are those links:

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/334540.html

    http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2004/mar/14hanif.htm

    http://www.hindunnet.com/thehindu/mag/2003/03/31/stories/
    2002033100300300.htm

    It is about the originl “Little Master” Hanif Mohammad.

  43. #43 by khansahab on June 22, 2008 - 3:57 PM

    Pakistan squad for Asia Cup:

    Shoaib Malik (capt), Misbah-ul-Haq, Fawad Alam, Iftikhar Anjum, Mohammad Yousuf, Nasir Jamshed, Salman Butt, Shahid Afridi, Sohail Tanvir, Umar Gul, Wahab Riaz, Younis Khan, Sarfraz Ahmed (wk), Mansoor Amjad, Saeed Ajmal

    My preferred playing XI (keeping in mind Malik, Yousuf, Younis and Misbah are going to be automatic selections)

    Butt
    Afridi
    Yousuf
    Younis
    Malik
    Misbah
    Fawad
    Sarfraz
    Tanvir
    Gul
    Rao Ifthikar

    Against weaker teams Malik should experiment by removing Yousuf and Younis, promoting himself, Misbah and Fawad up the order and trying the newbies Ajmal and Amjad lower down (so that they can get a chance to play). But this would require some presence of mind and improvisation which I don’t expect from Malik. It will be interesting to see how many matches Fawad Alam, Mansoor Amjad and Saeed Ajmal get to play.

  44. #44 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston . Tx. on June 22, 2008 - 4:15 PM

    Have you guys noticed the similarities between the statements of Co-Chairman Asif Ali Zardari and Chief Slector Salahuddin Ahmed? One about the restoration and other about the dropping of certain individuals?

    Let me just talk about “Mian Sallu” since I am not very good at politics!

    When a Father has no choice but to kick out his most favored and spoiled son out of the house because he does not contribute to the household expenses but becomes a nuisance and start breaking and damaging left and right and behaves as if he is the boss.

    He was crying like an old hurt father waiting for the prodigal son to return, he not only left a window open for Kamran Akmal to return but has left the whole door ajar.

    Take my word for it. One little blemish by Sarfraz Ahmed and the whole crowd of vultures will descent for his blood.

  45. #45 by khansahab on June 22, 2008 - 10:25 PM

    MY KASIM,

    I think you are right in your opinion about Sarfraz. Malik has already reacted negatively. Does he not care for the confidence of youngsters? About Sarfraz first he said that, Akmal is the first choice keeper and is merely being rested. That is not how he should have conveyed the situation even though Akmal is surely the first choice of the team management as well as most of the senior players. We all know this.
    But what he said today is inexcusable. A journalist asked him about how he thinks of Sarfraz as a batsman and he said something like, “There is a gap between and batting of Sarfraz and Akmal but Safraz can bat- he is still learning”. My question is, is Akmal really a batsman? Apart from a handful of good innings against India (again I maintain that performances against India should be treated as exceptional cases because even average Pakistani batsmen like Butt play well against India) how many good knocks has he played? He has poor technique and is very easy to dismiss. I am convinced the difference between the batting of Sarfraz and Akmal is very slight.
    So that is not positive language that is being used by Malik. That is the sort of thing that causes a youngster to lose confidence. Maybe this is the reason why Fawad Alam has not shown remarkable performance in the very little chances he has been granted.

    Today I was watching this cricket programme where a presenter was saying that he has been to see many first class matches in Pakistan and things like drugs and drinking are very common for the cricketers. The topic was about Mohammad Asif and his recent detention in Dubai. This presenter was being sarcastic and proclaiming, it is strange how something as commonplace as drugs has caused such furore whereas it is an everyday thing for many of Pakistan’s first class cricketers.

  46. #46 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 22, 2008 - 11:19 PM

    How strange that CRICINFO allows all kinds of dirty and filthy language and mud-slinging and profanity against Islam and Pakistan but does not print/publish any complaint against it however polite and civilised way you put it.

    It is undoubtedly run and controlled by a certain anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan mafia, even though it is claimed to be a part of ESPN. It is high time we should show our dis-pleasure by boycotting it completely.

    I wrote a strong blog to that effect mentioned above on the Pakspin but it never saw the light of day.

  47. #47 by M. Y. Kasim. Houston. Tx. on June 22, 2008 - 11:29 PM

    Khansahab,

    Take my word. As long as Shoaib Malik remains Captian, no new players, especially if he is from Karachi, will ever be accorded any opportunity to shine or excell, whether he is a Batsman, Bowler or Wicket-keeper. Period.

    And Mian Sallu or Mian Ullu(DNA) could not do anything about it, since Mian Shariff Brothers and their gang are with him.

  48. #48 by Sakthi on June 23, 2008 - 4:49 AM

    I am back now. I work for a publishing services company in Chennai. I had been standing on knife for the last two weeks due to work pressure and hence I didn’t have time to write on this blog.

    Regarding, Asia cup, I think Srilankans are the hot favourites. Pakistan will have home advantage. So, probably, it will be Pakistan v. Srilanka in the final and Srilanka will win the cup eventually. Though, Indian team looks mighty on paper, they don’t have enough fire power in their bowling department to get good sides out on a good batting track.

    There is no negative theory involved in what I wrote above. 

  49. #49 by Mohammed Munir on June 23, 2008 - 8:10 AM

    As predicted earlier, a few of the Indian bloggers, who went into hibernation right after India’s unexpected defeat at ‘kid-play’ cup, are returning back, which, of course, is a good sign.

    Although, we see good number of Indian/ Pakistanian audiences here, nevertheless, the overall environment is very clean and respectful for each other. There are some sensible comments and valid points are being raised from each group. Unfortunately, this is not true with many other blogs.

    Now that we are on the verge of very exciting Asia Cup 2008, let me convey the best wishes for all the teams, including India and Pakistan.

    My heart say, Pakistan should win, but my mind says, it is India’s terms.

    Pakistan have always put-up an inferior show, when we have associated some hopes and have some expectations from the team. Although, in contrary situation, they play their best.

    Finally, as joke, to cheer you guys:

    A man and his wife were in a court for their divorce case. The problem was who should get custody of the child.

    The wife screamed and jumped up and said: “You’re Honor. The child should be in my custody, I am the mother. I brought the child into the world with all the pain and labor”.

    The judge turned to the husband and said: “What do you have to say in your defense?”

    The husband sat for a while contemplating …. then slowly rose and said, “Your Honor…. If I put a dollar in a Pepsi Vending Machine and a Pepsi comes out …. Whose Pepsi is it …. the machine’s or mine?”

  50. #50 by khansahab on June 23, 2008 - 8:40 AM

    Sakthi,

    Good to see your return.

    Yeah somehow I also feel Sri Lankans might surprise on this occasion. No one is really talking much about them, I guess because the spotlight is on India vs Pakistan. I think what happened in the Kitply Cup final was a bit of a fluke because Pakistanis were pushed to the limit. That is what this team is like currently, inconsistent and will only perform if they really want to.

    I like your analysis in that Pakistan have the home advantage and India’s bowling is not that strong to work wonders in every match. While this is true, apart from Shahid Afridi and Sohail Tanvir I don’t think Pakistan has any in form bowler. Even Sohail Tanvir is the type of bowler where, unless his first 3 or 4 overs go well, he comes out with expensive and uninspiring bowling figures.

    The biggest advantage to go with India I think is that Dhoni will be promoting himself up the order. This is something he should have started doing months ago. If he starts batting at no 5 or 6, then he can become a more dangerous player for the opposition because not only does he attack, he is also very difficult to dismiss. He has such a good temperament, that in the middle overs when the spinners are bowling he will take singles and doubles and occasionally put the bad ball away for four even though his natural instinct is to attack. And yet out of the blue suddenly he comes out of his crease and smacks you for four just when you think you have quieted him down.

  51. #51 by khansahab on June 23, 2008 - 8:59 AM

    One more thing I want to add is that for Pakistan’s youngsters this will be the first major test because this is the first major tournament Pakistan is playing after a long time. The level of competition has been raised firstly because of the presence of Sri Lanka and India. Secondly there is going to be pressure on the minds of the youngsters because there are qualifying stages so the performance must be consistently good.

    Here is how I think the chances look like for the major teams:

    Sri Lanka: 75% chance of victory, because they have some good consistent players like Sangakarra, Murali, Vaas, Jayasuria, Dilshan and Jayawardene. Butt can’t match Jayasuria, Safraz can’t match Sangakarra, Malik can’t match Jayawardene, and so on. What Pakistan do have are Yousuf, Younis and Misbah but Sangakarra, Jayawardene, Jayasuria and Dilshan are just as good ODI players I guess.

    India: 80% chance I would go with. This is because Indian players are the most in form and without a doubt India is going with the strongest opening pair which is so crucial. Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhoni, Pathan, Yuvraj are all match winning players and also in good form. However the only thing that would stand in India’s way is if the team peformance does not overshadow individual performance of these good players.

    Pakistan: 65% chance. Pakistan is the weakest of all the established teams. Inconsistent opening pair, inconsistent no 3 batsman (Younis), out of form captain and the much hyped Misbah ul Haq is an overrated player in ODI’s in my opinion. Also apart from Afridi no bowler poses a real threat. Gul at his best can be dangerous but has problems with form and fitness and we haven’t seen much of Tanvir, all that we know of him is that he is in decent form. Plus Pakistan are going with a new wicketkeeper who is under tremendous pressure to perform because even before he has played his first match, the captain and team management have already stated (very stupidly) that he is not the first choice keeper and his batting is not dependable. So if Sarfraz performs then it will be a real bonus for himself and for all his sympathisers.

  52. #52 by Mohammed Munir on June 23, 2008 - 10:19 AM

    “How many diamonds can you retrieve from one single mine; there has to be an end somewhere. I don’t see any natural fast bowler after me.”

    Shoaib Akhtar, the last of Pakistan’s gems, foretells a grim future.
    Jun 14, 2008.

    Russi Jal Gayee, Par Bal Naan Gayia !!

  53. #53 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2008 - 12:40 PM

    Munir

    That dramay baaz Actor’s comments are just like, “monkey praising his own tail.” He can say whatever he likes, thats how he gets media attention. Actor is 34 now and, in the ODI games as per the ICC rules, balls get discoloured hence they change it after 34 overs. Now, I leave it for you to use your own imagination and draw your own conclusion.

    khansahab

    Pakistan are going to start against Hong Kong tomorrow if they win the toss they must bat first and put on a big total, that will give boost to their low morale, but it could also create a sense of complacency and they may not perform the same way against stronger opposition. I have written elsewhere that dropping Sohail Khan on the pretext of a mosquito bite is ridiculous and bringing in back Wahab Riaz and Rao Ifti is a disaster recipe to the mediocre team which has won the kitply cup – which was just a fluke and a one time show. They cannot be consistent with these players and under this captain.

    Sakhti

    Its good to see you back and I hope you will continue to write throughout the Asia Cup (at least) and I was not aware that publishing companies also perform circus and juggling acts? But the whole world is a circus! Anyways, I do agree with you that Sri Lanka is entering into this tournament unnoticed and on a very silent note and they have some very good players and they are in good nick too. They are a very unassuming side and can surprise both India and Pakistan especially with the kinda players they have in Jayasuriya, Jayawardane, Sangakara, Murali and Vaas and the brilliance of Dilshan.

    Sangakara, in my opinion is currently the best wicketkeeper batsman in the world. Even better than Dhoni, McCullum and Haddin. He is better than Dhoni because of his consistency in all forms of the game, his recent test double hundred that he did not make in Australia because it was robbed by the umpire Rudy Kersten who gave a bad decision against him (later apologized but no use) was one of the best innings he played. Behind the stumps too he is excellent.

    M Y Kasim

    You are right about PakSpin and the atmosphere there, although I still write there but not with so much enthusiasm because, whatever I write, it creates rectum aneurysm for a few of them and they take it very personally. Usually my first comment on that blog on any new thread is always very specific and on the dot. Its only when they used to splatter their drivel I used to give them a retort, but its not worth doing that anymore. Kamran Abbassi has no control over his blog anymore, its the cricinfo mafia that controls and moderates the blog and they like to see all that anti-Pakistan splattering.

    I hope theossa would be back from today to add more smoke than fire from his “sirgit.” Over here we have soccer fever and last night the Spaniards were honking on the streets and waving flags. Had Italy won, there would have been celebrations ALL NIGHT and too noisy in Little Italy that we have over here. They all went into their shells after the defeat. Before the match when the fans were being asked to comment on TV about who will win the cup? The response was anyone but NOT Italy. Poor Italians they became very infamous after Zidane – Matarazi incident in the world cup.

  54. #54 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on June 23, 2008 - 3:20 PM

    I agree that Sri Lanka could beat any team and they are the underdogs at the moment. As regards Pakistan the certainly have a problem with the opening pair as Kamran has been dropped. Their bowling is also not that effective as I agree with khansahab that Tanvir if he cannot get a wicket in the first 3 overs loses his control. Rao Iftikhar is only good for containing runs thats the best he could do and when that doesn’t happen he is a useless bowler as he can’t take wickets. I think Malik should take chances and allow Afridi to open the innings with Butt and if he can regain his batting form against Hong Kong then he might be able to turn the tables. But, Malik is not a good captain he is more selfish as a player so he may opt to open himself to put on some runs on board to his career average by scoring against the minnows.

  55. #55 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2008 - 3:35 PM

    Jehanzeb

    you are on the dot about Malik, I wish he reads your comments and change his mind and send Afridi to open the innings, for a captain it is more important to see his side winning and more than that he gains the confidence of his players. Whether he scores big or not will not make his case any weaker because he is there till the end of December 2008, at least that is the guarantee and assurances he got from DNA & Co.

    Even the cricinfo pundits are speculating that Nasir Jamshed may not get a chance because the new off spinner Saeed Ajmal might play to strengthen the bowling department, take a look at the match preview:

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/asiacup/content/current/story/355826.html

    The analysis of George Binoy are quite realistic and inclusion of Sarfaraz Ahmad has rekindled the same old opening problem because, he is “Akmal’s replacement, (but) he is not an opener and, though his batting skills may not match Akmal’s, his role of lower-order batsman is secondary to his primary job of keeping wicket.” This will bring Afridi or Malik to open the innings. So, lets see what Malak Saab will do now.

  56. #56 by Amit. P on June 23, 2008 - 4:18 PM

    Asia cup is starting in warm-up fashion as most of the cups do …. some get stuck in the warm-up session like india and pak in the previous WC. That wont happen this time. So this is going to be another tri-series between india-pak-SL. Enough have been said ab’t india and pak … i wud like to analyze the curious case of SLankans.

    Many people point out the problem with SL is they dont have big-hitters in the middle or late middle order and their best 4 play on top. I somewhat agree with the above theory but at the same time 4 good batsmen on the top is enough for winning matches on fairly consistent basis. There middle order are not that bad too … chamra and dilshan are more than handy batsmen following up big hitting of mahroof ( i think he is not playing in Asia cup .. and this is not a good news for SL). Their recent abmisal performances in CB series and home series against Eng were due to poor planning and week (or uninspiring) leadership. In my opinion Sanga shud lead in odis and jayaverdhne in tests. Distribute the responsibility …. they are wasting the leadership talent of Sanga.
    The comeback of SLankans in winning form can be seen by many things.

    1) Comeback of murli. He is still on Aussies soil …. we are seeing reluctant murli now a days, seems like he is bowling to hayden or ponting on WACA … even in IPL his fear continued. Confident and fearless murli will be the most important key for SL.

    2) Planned inning by Sanga and Jayavardhane. In CB series Sanga was in touch but most of the time he was undone by his flamboyancy and Jayavardhane was totally out of form. Hope he regain his touch in this cup. The partnership between these two guys will be the another key.

    3) Hitting form of Jayasurya. If he is still in IPL form then middle order will have to do relatively easy work, specially if tharanga anchors his inning on the other end. But still they got to work! In recent time 40s and 50s of Jayasurya didn’t help the team to win matches .. solely because of confused middle order.

    4) Malinga !! .. he he he …. not with the new ball i think .. but with the old ball … he is very good in death overs (infact in the last 20 overs) with his reverse fast swinging yorkers .. and that too on consistent basis. Its another matter that most of the time he is predictable!

    If SL score half of the points above mentioned, then chance of indo-pak clash in the final will be very bleak. And by this i mean india-SL final .. offcourse 😉

    p.s – I dont believe in home advantage .. most of the time its other way round.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2008 - 4:32 PM

    Amit.P

    Neither Malinga nor Tharanga are in the squad. And yes Maha fell off the roof and got an abdominal strain and is out, he is replaced by Tilhan Thushara. But, Jehan Mubarak the hard hitting lanky Sri Lankan is there and he can be very handy. I do agree with what you have said about top order and most of us are speculating that the silent entrants Sri Lankans might walk away with the cup.

    Murali was not so effecting in T20 but in ODI’s he will be, depending on the pitch, Karachi’s wicket is very hard and bouncy and right now its the peak of summer there, still much cooler than Lahore and Multan because of the sea and ALL matches are day and night, and usually Karachi evenings are pleasant and I am not sure about the dew factor. Still, the dew is much less than Lahore and Faislabad or even Rawalpindi. So, the chances are there will be big scores and the team winning the toss must bat first and put up a big total to defend. That will be the advantage and not the home advantage, after all India had won a high scoring match in Karachi 4 years ago. So, there is no such thing as home crowd and home advantage.

  58. #58 by Awas on June 23, 2008 - 5:43 PM

    Interesting views all round guys.

    Sakhti

    Being modest again…are we? India definitely in the final for my money but who will join them will be difficult to predict. I agree with Amit there is no home advantage in Asia between Asian teams at least. All three teams are equally at home at playing each other anywhere in Asia.

    Javed

    I think too that this should be the time they should try Afridi at the top and what better way than to get going against Hong Kong. If the selectors, board and Afridi above all want this then this will happen as I don’t think Malik now has a lot of weight in saying what he wants. The removal of Akmal, against his wishes, shows that. He never had that kind of clout anyway as most of us have been commenting that they wanted a meek and submissive captain and so he is.

    About Sohail Khan however, if bechara got stung by a macher and is really shivering from malaria then I would rather wish him good health. It may well be true. I don’t think he is such a star that they need to concoct a story to get him out of the team. If, at long last, a permanent fixture like Akmal can be discarded without making excuses then for new comers they don’t really have to make things up.

  59. #59 by Amit. P on June 23, 2008 - 6:02 PM

    Oh! .. my mistake .. haven’t read abt the Slankans squad before posting. So they are without malinga, maharoof and tharanga …. bowling looks quite week … dilhara is as unpredictable as u can think …. one day he will be unplayable and the next day he will give away wides and no-balls in stock. They are heavily relying on the vaas … opposition might be thinking on this line … and will try to crush them in powerplays. They are not the same team as i guessed …. so attach the unpredictable tag to them.

    As u describe the pitch of karachi and its weather .. seems like scoring 300+ runs to think ab’t winning. But again spinners will come in picture to get break-through specially when bowling first …. and seamers will get good swing (both kinda) in flood light due to sea breeze. If its wankhede like condition then good bowler will turn match around.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2008 - 1:41 AM

    Amit.P

    aNo, Karachi is not like Wankhede pitch, its much better for batsmen and the stadium is definitely bigger than Wankhede so I am not sure about the boundaries whether they would make it 70 – 75 meters or 65 meters. The shorter it is the better it is for Jayasuriya, his usual flicks will result in sixes. He doesn’t need to hit hard. Also, in Karachi its not so humid as it is in Mumbai.

    There is a lot being written about the weather by the media men, but trust me Karachi evenings are generally OK in June July. Whereas, Abu Dhabi and Sharjah’s May weather is much worst than Karachi’s June weather. The last time Pakistan Sri Lanka played in Abu Dhabi was in the month of May. It was more than 40C. May be Munir will confirm to what I am saying about the weather. “Sindh ki raatain, mashoor hain” for being pleasant. Its for this reason Karachiites go out to eat at the restaurants after mid-night.

    I remember eating Sabri Ki Nihari at 2:00 a.m. and also remember sitting in open air restaurants till 3:00 a.m. and that was always in June, July. Whereas in Lahore and Multan its terrible during this time of the year and what we call it “Habs” there is no air, no breeze, absolutely hot and unbearable. Anyways, I am looking forward to seeing the first match and it would be fun if Pakistan bats first otherwise it would be a low scoring match and that hardly create any interest, although it would be one sided but viewers, spectators and fans like to see some sixes and fours. I hope they get some entertainment !

    Ps.

    Predictability in team selection and batting order, unpredictable in terms of performance and that is Pakistan. Take a look at this already predictable head line:

    Tuesday, June 24, 2008
    By Khalid Hussain

    KARACHI: Pakistan aim to achieve a ruthlessly one-sided victory over minnows Hong Kong in the Asia Cup opener here at the National Stadium today (Tuesday).

    Skipper Shoaib Malik will elevate himself up the order and will open the innings with the in-form Salman Butt in a match that Pakistan should easily win even after fielding their second string players.

    Read more on “The News” about Shoaib Malik’s predictable selfish nature.
    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=120155

  61. #61 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on June 24, 2008 - 2:27 AM

    Javed Khan – I was also reading that news and thought of the same thing that what you and I wrote about Malik. So, the predictable nature of Pakistani cricket players especially Malik’s is so obvious that anyone can predict his next move.

    Another thing I noticed on cricinfo is I am quoting below and I noticed that after reading Mr. M Y Kasim’s comments on anti Pakistan propaganda. Here is a comment that appeared on Tony Greig’s show. I am surprised as to how cricinfo can publish such comments.

    “Thats Pakistan, ASIF zardari or Mohammed ASIF all acquated, charged, known cheater, criminals and notorious are eventually declared clean and modest. From CEO of the country to street sweeper all are same…No justice, No Law the most tyrannt country on the face of earth. I could be harsh but thats reality. Posted by happysingh on June 23 2008, 14:32 PM GMT”

    The URL link is:
    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/talk/content/current/multimedia/355778.html

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2008 - 2:42 AM

    Jehanzeb

    This link is really an eye opener and I have just read it and I have even left a comment on Tony Greig’s show as a retort to that idiotsingh. But, I am not sure whether that cricinfo mafia would allow it? I am really pissed off by this continuous and ongoing, orchestrated anti Pakistan propaganda.

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/asiacup/content/current/story/355879.html

    The above link leads to Sidhart Monga in Karachi, titled, “Much at stake in ill-timed Asia Cup.” He has started with an abuse, “There could not have been a worse time – literally and figuratively – to play the ninth edition of the Asia Cup, a concept that is much abused, not always without merit.”

    I would like to ask him and those who have similar views that, is there anything they are happy about what Pakistan is doing? And are they content with what others are doing? Guys you have to be fair and open minded rather than being unfair and hurling unnecessary abuse. I can also do that, its very easy, but do I have to stoop that low? To be or not to be is the question.

    I rest my case and I want some of our fair and open minded Indian bloggers to express their views on this subject. I will appreciate if they vent out their true feelings rather than keeping quiet. Thanks.

  63. #63 by Mohammed Munir on June 24, 2008 - 8:42 AM

    Javed Khan …

    As much as we are into cricket on this website, the world all around us is going gaga about soccer these days. You are right, I can imagine the Euro 2008 fever up there in Canada, however, the entire Europe as well as Asia is gone mad about soccer. While since you lived here in Dubai, you must be knowing that here they don’t have any other game except soccer. Or let me put it like this, there is nothing bigger than “football”, as they call it here.

    Besides the Euro 2008, we are also having World Cup qualifiers and on Sunday we had two games right here in UAE with the home team, UAE, playing against Syria and Iraq playing against Qatar. The Iraq and Qatar game was in Dubai and I know because, I got stuck in the ‘after match’ traffic for almost an hour. It was painful.

    Anyways, here is a joke of the day:

    A man walked into his local supermarket and asked to buy “half” a head of lettuce. The boy working in that department told him that they only sold whole heads of lettuce. The man was insistent and asked the boy that he should ask his manager about the matter.

    Walking into the back room, the boy said to his manager, “Some idiot wants to buy a half a head of lettuce.” As he finished his sentence, he turned to find the same man standing right behind him, so he added, “and this gentleman kindly offered to buy the other half.” The manager approved the deal and the man went on his way.

    Later, the manager found the boy and said “I was impressed with the way you got yourself out of that tricky situation earlier. We like people who think on their feet here. Where are you from, son?”

    “Canada, Sir,” the boy replied.

    “Well, why did you leave Canada,” the manager asked.

    The boy said, “Sir, there’s nothing but hookers and hockey players up there, in Canada.”

    “Really!” said the manager, “My wife is from Canada!”

    The boy replied, “No kidding??? Which team did she play for?” 😉

  64. #64 by Sakthi on June 24, 2008 - 9:18 AM

    Awas

    I say home advantage because Indians are very hard to beat on their own backyard and same is the case with Srilanka and Pakistan. Pakistan players would have played so many games on these pitches and they know what to expect from them. The local crowd is always going to support the home team plus you can bring in which ever player you want.

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2008 - 9:58 AM

    Pakistan has won the toss and elected to bat………so far so good, we don’t know yet who is playing and who is not and who is opening with Butt? But, Malak is happy as he said he is “working hardly” and the boys are also “working hardly” to win. The Karachi stadium seems to be empty, thanks to the satellite TV’s no one wants to leave home. Mind you not everyone has air-conditioning and also remember there is always load shedding there. So, I wonder whether there will be more people or will the stadium remain empty? They have so far shown the toss three times. Its Danny Morrison and not Siva Rama Krishnan who is more concerned about his suit and tie and keeps asking the cameraman how he is looking, assuming that he is not on air live.

    Munir

    Nice joke, but let me tell you the reality, most Canadians when they leave Canada, the reason is long, stretched and treacherous winter. And, in Montreal we have July and then we have winter. Trust me if you guys come here in July you will wear jackets. During January and February there are a few weeks here when the temp is -45C and after 4 to 5 days IF the temp improves to -10C people feel it as a kinda relief and if it goes to -5C, people (smokers) working in office buildings come out on the street in shirts and stand out and smoke, and a few in T-shirts hopping across the street without being bothered to put on a jacket. It is a very unusual sight for those who arrive here for the first time from warm countries, they cannot believe how one can move around in the open without a jacket in -5 or -8C temp?

    OK, now the team is announced and Afridi was interviewed and he said, Malik will open with Butt. Wasim Akram was saying “Pakistan’s morale is high,” obviously against a team like HK their morale should be high.

    Ramiz Raja is giving the pitch report and he saying “this track looks as flat as a pancake and great news for batsmen they may have a ball.” So, 300 plus is expected. Wasim Akram says in Karachi we always get reverse swing in the evening and Arun Lal says there is not much dew expected. Anyways, lets watch the game………. the teams are coming out. More later.

  66. #66 by Rohit on June 24, 2008 - 10:03 AM

    Sakhti

    I agree with your view about home advantage. traditionally india has not been a great side on foreign soil. also pakistani players also tend to have more positive body language and confidence playing at home.

    Javed Khan,

    Yes it is regrettable about what some indians have been saying lately on cricinfo blogs. i just dont understand why politics or nationalism is so often mixed with sports? whatever the social or political situation is in pakistan, it should be left alone because it has nothing to do with cricket. about security of players and terrorism, i will totally concur with you that pakistan is not a danger to any cricketer.

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2008 - 10:08 AM

    First over, third ball, Butt out on a duck, caught behind trying to fish an outswinger. Afzal Haider is the bowler he is 36 and he got his first wicket on his third ball.

    Malak Saab ki tou halaq may agayee hogi, his Adam’s apple must have gone up and down a few times and he must be thanking his stars that he was not on the other end. For sure now he will play very cautiously and slow down the run rate. The worst thing that could happen here between Younus Khan and Shoaib Malik is a run out. And it is “passibal.”

    In Lahore Bangladesh is batting after winning the toss.

  68. #68 by Mohammed Munir on June 24, 2008 - 12:34 PM

    Pakistan in doldrums !!

    I wonder what Javed Khan and Khan Sahab will have to say in Afridi’s defense today 😉

    Ok, I agree that this pathetic performance by Pakistan is a pure team-effort and everyone is equally participating in disaster, but are not the a few to be blamed more then others?

    Khan Sahab, your wishes got answered as all Karachi-Walas (Fuwad, Afridi and Sarfaraz) have got enough chance to prove their worth today. Now that Afridi and Sarfaraz are back, let’s see what Fuwad does?

    All is yet not gone and Pakistan may still win with their bowling performance but is it what is expected of them against Hong Kong?

    Ramiz Raja was saying that Pakistani team have this knack of matching their performance to the level of their opponents, be it good or bad.

    Well he is so true.

    On the other hand, UAE is keeping their cool and are even with Bangladesh, so far.

  69. #69 by Awas on June 24, 2008 - 12:37 PM

    They are playing as though the match is against King Kong not Hong Kong.

    You can count on Pakistan to perform poorly against some unknown teams. With 166 for 7, its looking like the match against Ireland revisited again.

    I wish I had visited a bookmaker before the match!!!

  70. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2008 - 2:11 PM

    Awas

    They were playing “Ping Pong” but thanks to Tanvir and Alam they brought some respectability to the total, otherwise @ 161 for 7 was very embarrassing. I think the top or middle order tried to play Nadeem very casually and they all got out cheaply. Right now Wasim Akram is praising Fawad Alam for his talent and patience. Anyways, if Pakistan looses this match then they should go to the Native Jetty Bridge (Netty Jetty da pull) and take a dive from there.

    Munir

    You are saying UAE is keeping their cool and are even with Bangladesh, you think allowing them to make 299 is cool and even? I think Ashraful and Raqib ul were a handful and they made a bull-bull of the UAE. What I don’t understand is how come your brother was not allowed to bowl for more than 3 overs? Especially since he gave only 6 runs in 3 overs. I think the UAE Captain must have had a lot of Multani Sohan Halwa (he is from Multan) and got stuck with his ideas to rotate bowlers.

    I remember seeing a live WC match when the UAE played against South Africa and their Captain Zarwani or Sherwani whatever and he was a local, he came to bat with a floppy hat against the bowling of Allan Donald and, Donald knocked him off with a bouncer, his floppy went flying like a kite. I think he was a Badoo trying to show-off.

    And, Munir why do you have to talk about Afridi alone? How about Butt, Misbah playing those shots and getting out on 0 and 2 and how about Mohammad Yousuf playing that shot? Perhaps it wasn’t him but his look alike played that shot. Like most people, I thought Mohammad Yousuf went in to the crowd to mingle with them until they showed the real one in the gallery.

    Trust me guys, if India bats first against King Kong they will score 400 runs.

  71. #71 by Awas on June 24, 2008 - 2:48 PM

    Javed

    Yeah, not only that…India scoring 400…but Lankans would be thinking of bettering that as well…and the all cast Desi King Kongs would be afraid to face those mere humans.

    I am not watching but, by the way, did you see any Chinamen there(especially the one I am looking for) or are they all Desis?

    Anyways, let’s now make Fawad the captain and Tanvir his deputy ;)-

    Munir

    I hope your little Bro does well with the bat…Good Luck!

  72. #72 by Mohammed Munir on June 24, 2008 - 3:02 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Wow wow wow … did I hit a raw nerve or what ? 😉

    I hope Afridi is not really related to you or something ? And I am still waiting to ‘here’ from Khan Sahab 🙂

    Did I provoke you so bad on this Afridi issue ? Well, trust me, it could be unintentional. I did say that all contributed to this mess, didn’t I ? Anyways, I also did not praise Butt, Misbah, or others.

    Plus two wrongs never make a right.

    But in my humble opinion, Afridi was to be blamed more than others. Weather you like or not.

    About UAE, yes Bangoos did reach 300, but when Pakistan was 161 for 7 in 30 overs, UAE was holding Bangladesh at 150 in 30th over. So at that time, I thought it was good effort by UAE, till that moment.

    Finally, about my brother, yes you are right there, he did bowl good 3 overs with only 6 runs given. So I guess either he was injured, as he was not to be seen in the ground later and a substitute was fielding, or may be it really was a case of ‘Sohan Halwa’.

    If our national captain can play dirty politics and can open the inninga against ‘King Kong’, then UAE also have a Pakistani captain only 😉

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2008 - 3:11 PM

    Awas

    There is no Chinaman in Hong Kong, one South African and one gora the rest are all IF’s, Butts and Dars. The captain Tabarnak Dar got a nasty blow from Umar Gul on his left jaw through the grill and he is retired hurt. Now, so far 2 wickets have fallen after that, Tanvir got one and Rao got one. They are 29/2.

    And I am not sure Sri Lanka will play against HK because of the grouping. It will probably be SL and BD and then, India and Pak in the semis, so whatever Lanka has to do they have to do it with Munir’s brother (I mean the UAE). There is a possibility that India plays SL and Pakistan plays BD but, that depends after the India Pakistan match. So, for them remaining on the top of the group is very important because, that will make the semis easy for them against BD. I don’t think SL will loose against BD or the UAE.

    Kruger the SA player of Hong Kong gone for a duck just now bowled Tanvir. the score is 32/3 So, there is a sale of wickets in Hong Kong now. So, Tanvir already got 2 wickets and is consolidating his “poi-yen” for the MOM award.

    Munir

    No Afridi is not my brother like you have one in the UAE team, my point was, ‘yes he is out of form and not getting runs, but people have very high hopes of him and the moment he fails they don’t fail to attack him.’ Considering the situation then, he wasn’t playing any risky shots, it was a very soft dismissal and mere bad luck thats all. I was highlighting that others played worst shots than him and scored less but no one bothered to say anything, in fact the P. mafia always protects them.

    Btw, my comments were not to protect his silly way to get out cheaply, but they were just a perfectly funny morsel of lite fare rendered smirking and cynical views using my humourless or, call it snooty opinionated defense to protect my tribesman. 😉 That wink will do the job for you to understand that I am not serious. Happy? 🙂

  74. #74 by Awas on June 24, 2008 - 3:56 PM

    Javed

    “Tabarak Dar”…were you talking about the Tabarak that they distribute after prayers? What a name given by a Pir Sab?

    LOL @ lovers tiff between Javed and Munir. Great though it is to have Afridi just the way he is…but I am just a little swayed towards Munir on this one as I think what he meant was that after having seen how all before him got out with silly/careless shots, it would have been perfect opportunity for him to perform with the bat as there were plenty of overs and time left but he also did what all the other experienced ones did before him. Hats off to Fawad and Tanvir though…the youngsters put the seniors to shame.

    We knew Fawad was a good batter and Tanvir can be an all rounder type and it was good to see that. No wonder Shane Warne was trying Tanvir higher up the order. Hope he tries to emulate some of the great bowling all rounders of the past that we have seen…a very few that there have been.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2008 - 4:42 PM

    Awas

    Yes Tabarak is the same what you have said, but did you notice I added the letter N in it? Tabarnak is a French verb sacrer which means is “to consecrate”. And mostly used in the Church which means Goddamn it. But, in Quebec the French use it as profanity. Instead of me explaining to you the details, you should look up for the meaning yourself, all I will do is provide you a link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity

    You are right about the Akhroat getting ample opportunity to regain his batting form 27 overs is a lot, especially for him he could have scored a double hundred but that is IF and Butt. 😉 Anyways, he is bowling well and thats more important for the team. Shoaib Malik should also bowl regularly otherwise they will always be a bowler short.

    I got to go now there is no interest in the match anymore they are already six down for a 100. In Lahore, the UAE is slightly better in playing ping pong but they are another Hong Kong at the moment.

  76. #76 by Mohammed Munir on June 24, 2008 - 5:34 PM

    Awas …

    Thanks for the clarification. I exactaly meant what you wrote above.

    May we all “love” Afridi too much (including myself) and we wish to see him perform, but when he gets out in such careless and silly ways and does not score, we are upset and in that, we start cursing him.

    Javed Khan …

    That 😉 / 🙂 really works wonders, isn’t it ?

    Thats why I was requesting Khan Sahab to allow us to use more such icons for conveying our emotional messages.

    BTW, where is Khan Sahab these days ?

    Also missing … my zodiac-mate theossa, Kassim Sahab, Phirwohi and all other regulars.

  77. #77 by khansahab on June 24, 2008 - 8:20 PM

    Munir sahab,

    Thanks for missing me on the blog 🙂

    I’m not going to applaud Pakistan’s (bowling) performance today because that is how they should play against a minnow side. It was encouraging to see Fawad’s and Sohail’s performance. Fawad’s haters who call him an average player will shut up for some time but Fawad needs to play the same against good teams too. It is no good scoring well against minnows. I have the same opinion about Butt and Misbah as well. They should all score consistently against good teams; otherwise they will be called mediocre players. Or at least that is how I perceive the situation. But Malik should slot Fawad in the squad first against good teams too!

    Munir sahab I know you mention most of your comments in a light hearted tone so I don’t mind anything you say. Even if you are serious about what you say, I am your junior and will happily accept and respect any criticism you may have. Just to clarify, Karachi or Pathans don’t have such a soft corner for me that I will want someone to be in the team because they have the same blood or ethnicity as I do. However if I feel there is discrimination against Karachi and if I justify my feelings, why should I not express them?

    Now about Afridi. I believe he is a very good player now and deserves to be captain of the team on the basis of bowling alone, let alone experience, seniority or leadership capability. His batting has always been a gamble. But why should he not be rewarded for his consistent bowling performances for the past few years? He generally has better bowling figures than most of Pakistan’s main bowlers. I am sure he is a better bowler now than someone like Abdur Rehman who is considered to be one of the best spinners in the domestic circuit (and who is also Shoaib Malik’s best friend).

    Finally I believe I need to offer a very belated apology to the learned Javed A Khan. I recall this time last year I was defending Malik, thinking he will be a champion for Pakistan. Everything Javed A Khan has said about Malik has come true. That is incredible wisdom and foresight which must be respected. Mr Khan commented on his meekness and lack of intellect, which we are all aware of now. He also commented that under Malik the team would go down in the rankings relative to other established sides which is true as well. I was not aware (and I certainly did not want to imagine) that Malik was a schemer and a jingoist who would play politics in the dressing room along with the team manager. That has come true as well. On the other hand, Afridi has been Pakistan’s most reliable bowler and still plays with the same passion as he did earlier on in his career, although his batting has become more unreliable. He is charismatic, unbiased, straightforward and aggressive (aggressive but not in an uncouth and unrefined way unlike Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Asif,etc etc). That Afridi should become Pakistan’s captain is a notion I fully support.

  78. #78 by khansahab on June 24, 2008 - 8:41 PM

    Awas,

    I think most of us accept that Pakistan will have to rid of most senior players because the seniors are not giving consistent performances. In my opinion that is the only way how Pakistan can again rise in the world rankings. I think Malik and Misbah should go too, Misbah does not have many years of cricket left in him anyway.

    In such a scenario, Tanvir can be a really good candidate for captaincy or vice captaincy (the latter if Afridi becomes captain, which I would like to see). Fawad is certainly talented but needs to cement his place in the side first. I get the feeling somehow Tanvir will cement his place in the Test side too. I hope he does, because he seems like a talented and committed cricketer.

  79. #79 by Rohit on June 25, 2008 - 12:10 AM

    really looking forward to this india vs pakistan encounter! india still is not as strong mentally as one would like. the confidence must have taken a beating after the defeat in the kitply cup. will the wounds remain?
    the opening is sorted because it will be foolish to change the combo of viru and gautam. i’d go with, rohit sharma at no 3 followed by yuvraj. at 5 and 6 i would place dhoni and raina respectively. then the bowlers would come, pathan, praveen, piyush, ishant and RP.

    Sehwag
    Gautam G
    Rohit Sharma
    Yuvraj
    Dhoni
    Raina
    Pathan
    Praveen
    Piyush Chawla
    RP
    Ishant

    again….same problem with bowlers and batsman. i would like to go with an extra bowler here, in this case praveen. this is because having 4 regular bowlers only may prove expensive. one thing i seem to notice is, pakistan and sri lanka both are going with very strong batting line ups and not as strong bowling attacks. this is why i think india can afford an extra pacer in the attack, i think it will be an advantage. it helps knowing praveen and chawla can bat a bit. however the batsmen at the top will have to do their job!also it depends on the pitch conditions. pakistani pitches can be helpful to spinners, however i think playing Ojha is unlikely due to the fact that sehwag and yuvraj will probably be relied to support the spin of piyush.

    Amit P and Sakthi, any comments? hope its a match thats played in good spirit and we see some good competition.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2008 - 3:22 AM

    The injured and battered King Kong will be facing the mighty Indian Godzilla tomorrow. It means without even getting any time to recover and recuperate from injuries and dehydration they will be up for another battering with in the next 24 hours. ‘Tabarnak’ Dar must be praying with his swollen jaw to win the toss so that his team can bat first. Otherwise they will be up against the wall facing a daunting 400 plus total.

    The reason the King Kong’s are having difficulties is not just the heat alone, but their age, except for a few most of them are down the hill or beyond the age of so-called “youth” and they are also lacking in match fitness and match practice at international level. It must be a news for some that India and Hong Kong never played any ODI before, but its a fact that they will face each other tomorrow for the first time.

    Not only Sehwag and Gambhir will start the circus with a big bang, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Rohit Sharma and Yousuf Pathan will do the rest, especially Yousuf Pathan, if he gets going he might create a few new records with his big hitting. I suggest he should be sent at number 3. Since Irfan Pathan is not playing the big mac Goni should get in instead of Ohja. Goni’s IPL record was much better than Ohja’s. I would have included Mishra instead of Ohja but thats politics.

    Although the Ping Pong spinners played a major role in halting Pakistan’s big guns, but Nadeem Ahmad cannot repeat his performance with an encore. With Chawla, Yuvraj, Sehwag and Yousuf Pathan in the side India has enough spinners to take care of the spin department.

    khansahab

    On the subject of “me” changing or altering your views about Malik’s captaincy or your accepting my views now after differing so strongly, (in the past) it only goes to prove that you are a spirited person who is flexible, willing to learn from someone else’s experience and is eager to understand and make out a difference between what is wrong and what is right and be able to notice the divergence between excellence and mediocrity. So, my role in bringing about a change in your perception is only your own view. I would say, I have done nothing in this respect.

    Yes, I have vociferously and boisterously emphasized the need of education among sports personalities, specifically among the Pakistani cricket players and I would still hold my view very firmly on that. Because, eduction hones and brings finesse in personalities and experience can enhance those skills further and refine them. I have often used the words of a great man that, “I would rather be ashes than dust! I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.” The truth is I am very lethargic, sluggish and uninterested in many things that brings about a change in my daily routine. Yet, I do get involved in developing new things, new projects, creating new ideas, concepts and in implementing them.

    To be creative you don’t have to be Einstein or a rocket scientist and I have said this before and have no hesitation in repeating that, creative capacity is not a rare species of ability only to be found among the genius or very intelligent people, but it is widespread. Its an ability to produce novelty. In sports, the aspect of intelligence is characterized by originality of thought and problem solving. And creativity involves divergent thinking i.e., thoughts directed widely towards a number of varied solutions and that needs good decision making.

    In case of Malik, it appears to me that he is not a thinking captain, he is a day dreamer and suffers from a sense of complacency, acceptance and submission, he accepts things as they come to him rather than bringing a change or halting the change that is being imposed on him. It is the sign of a weak leader to accept defeat even before he is defeated. Whereas, Afridi and even Younus Khan don’t appear to be submissive or defensive, in fact they are assertive and aggressive.

    I also agree with you that Sohail Tanvir do have those germs in him, he will one day be the captain of Pakistan team like Wasim Akram was. Not because of the similarities that, he is also a left hand bowler or he can bat a bit, and he is also tall like him. But his attitude towards the game is right, although in the recent tri-series he was seen yelling at Fawad Alam. But, that seems to be a spur of the moment thing and he seems to have corrected it and the way he was encouraging Fawad Alam today, who was also supporting him in building a good 100 plus partnership at the right time, shows a lot of character.

    A good player has to put up a brave and serious face and not a weak, meek submissive or a friendly face to please the opposition. Not that you have to intimidate them or abuse them, but you need to make them think that you are not taking it lightly and you mean serious business on the field, off the field you can be friends.

    There is a lot to write on this subject, but for now – this is enough.

  81. #81 by Sakthi on June 25, 2008 - 5:18 AM

    The problem with Indian team is that all the 4 regular bowlers are not wicket taking bowlers like Gul or Tanvir or Murali. If any one of them does not bowl well then it is going to be a big head ache for Dhoni as he has to rely on part timers. Yuraj, Shewag, Pathan are very mediocre. I don’t think they can contain Srilanka or Pakistan as both are very good players of spin bowling. Sharma, Ghoni, Kumar are good if there is something in the pitch otherwise they are going to be smacked all over the park by the likes of Jayasuriya. That is the reason I feel that India have very little chance of winning the cup. Dhoni has a very big role to play if India has to reach final.

    Talking about Yusuf Pathan, he is a kind of player who relies on luck. I have seen him playing in the domestic matches. He is not consistent.

  82. #82 by Mohammed Munir on June 25, 2008 - 9:14 AM

    All is well that end in well.

    Be it cricket or even arguments 😉

    Khan Sahab …

    Thanks for your lovely words of wisdom; you sure have a cool head over those shoulders. (Are you really 21) 😉

    I have seen this quality of keeping their cool in most of Karachi players, like the greats of Javed Miandad, Basit Ali, Asif Mujtaba, Asif Iqbal, Moin Khan, and now Fuwad Alam.

    I am happy the way Fuwad played; yes you are right it was against a minnow King Kong, but still it was under pressure when Pakistan was 161 for 7 in 30 overs. So we can not take away the credit for the way he played. Same is true for Tanvir. They should be given more chances now.

    Having lived all my life in UAE, I don’t take my cricket that passionately. I love the game and had played it in my school/ college days (these days I still play ‘indoor’ cricket, which is more suitable for UAE weather), but I enjoy more watching it and make it a point to watch all possible games. Therefore, my knowledge, understanding, experience and overall views on the game may not be as sophisticated as that of a few others on this blog.

    I consider them much more knowledgeable then myself and respect their views on the game.

    Then again, everything that everyone says can not be right every time, no matter how highly learned and an authority anyone may be on cricket.

    Another important point is that I am neither a Punjabi nor from Karachi, and due to living all my life in UAE, I also do not carry any “snooty opinionated defense to protect my tribesmen”, the Great Pathans.

    The simple reasons that I do not use my surname in front of my name is to avoid any preconception.

    So I think, being a moderate Pakistani (and the one who sees all Pakistanis equally without any prejudices against any one of them), I have a right to call a spade a spade !!

    About Afridi, I fully acknowledge his best bowling form, his leadership capabilities, strong character, experience, seniority, etc. etc. however, on the other hand, if someone is continuously playing for Pakistan for 12 years with 260+ ODIs and 26 tests, 280+ international wickets, and over 7,000 international runs to his credit, should that person not be a bit more RESPONCIBLE ?

    Why do we always have to accept his batting as ‘gamble’?
    Is he a baby that he is not ready to or willing to change?
    Why should we as fans, be ready to ‘compromise’ and ‘take him’ on his terms, when he is not showing one iota of change?
    Is this a perfect behavior of someone so experienced, a senior, a leader?

    On a totally different note, we all know that there is a strong Punjabi mafia in the PCB today, but we should not forget or completely ignore the cricket greats that Punjab has produced over the years. The likes of Wasim, Waqar, Imran (I consider him from Lahore), Zaheer Abbas, Intikhab Alam, Ijaz Ahmed, Abdul Qadir, Saleem Malik, Inzimam-ul-Haq, Mohammed Yousef, etc. etc. I agree they may not be the best human beings around, but at least they all were the best players.

    Because, one Punjabi captain Shoaib Malik is a bad person and plays dirty politics and favoritism, we can not take the fight against the entire Punjabi Nation, can we?

    Guys I am just speaking my mind out, and I know these comments may not go well with most of the other guys here, specially coming from a Pathan, but am I totally wrong in what am I saying?

    Please don’t take me wrong, as I think, I am a Pakistani first and then a Pathan.

  83. #83 by khansahab on June 25, 2008 - 9:37 AM

    I agree with the learned Rohit and Sakhti- India traditionally has had this problem of 4 specialist bowlers being complemented by 2 or 3 part timers. It is a strange equation because, sometimes part times like Tendulkar or Sehwag take 2 or 3 wickets in a spell and tilt the match in India’s favour.

    If India goes with 5 specialists as Rohit suggested the batting might appear weak. Indian captains have always opted for stronger batting as opposed to bowling and it will be very interesting to see what Dhoni does, especially in tomorrow’s match against Pakistan. I would go ahead with Rohit’s suggestion and suggest 5 specialist bowlers because it is a very intelligent point to make saying that both Sri Lanka and Pakistan are going with strong batting line ups and India can have an extra bowler to their advantage provided the top order does its job.

    Would Malik dare changing the playing XI against India? I think he should keep the same line up. The reason for that is, that if he employs a specialist spinner this time at the possible expense of Fawad Alam, Alam’s confidence will take a beating and we have already observed how Alam has so far been treated in a slipshod manner. More importantly all Indian batsmen are excellent players of spin except Yuvraj who tends to struggle sometimes, but Sehwag, Gambhir, Sharma, Dhoni etc can handle spin very well. So if I were Malik I would still rely on Pakistan’s pace attack to make inroads through the Indian batting line up.

    Malik might take a gamble and play Wahab Riaz instead of Fawad to bolster the pace attack. Actually now that I think about it, it’s not such a bad idea. I don’t think Fawad or Malik will be able to work wonders with the ball against India. Pakistan will be relying on Afridi’s spin and the pace of Gul, Tanvir and Rao. So the moral of the story is, Fawad should only be dropped if Wahab Riaz is playing. Otherwise it will be a foolish decision because Pakistan already has a good spinner in Afridi and I doubt the other inexperienced spinners in the squad would be able to worry the Indian batsmen. It is a difficult situation for Fawad because if he is indeed dropped his confidence will certainly be shattered and he needs a few games against good sides.

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2008 - 11:54 AM

    Both Sehwag and Gambhir after giving India a flying start threw away their wicket needlessly. Lamsam the only real “Hooonj Kooonj” guy in the team is their 12th man who took a good catch yesterday also took one today of Gambhir. With Sehwag’s departure the momentum got lost and Gambhir lost his concentration after the break and wanted to hit a six at the big Karachi ground, couldn’t succeed.

    Sakhti

    may be you are right about Yousuf Pathan because like you say, you have seen him more at the domestic circuit, I have seen him in the IPL and also one glimpse of him in the T20 WC in SA. Some are lucky to have the lady luck smiling at them more times than others. Therefore, patience, endurance and consistency is the key.

    Munir

    Never ever in my life I have said that “I am always right” in fact when expressing my opinion I have said, its my opinion and never emphasized that I am right (jokingly I may have but, seriously never). I remember in Dubai one of my superiors in the bank who was very famous for being snooty and arrogant said in a management meeting, ” I am always right ” and I did not hesitate for a second to respond to him by saying, ‘this is where you are wrong, you have just proved yourself wrong, because no one except God can be right all the time.’ It stunned everyone because he was very senior and no one dared to talk to him like that. Anyways, thats something else. But, why are you so afraid in using your sir name? To hell with anybody, let them think whatever they think, your sir name is your family name, if you don’t carry it further, who will?

    Rohit Sharma just got run out. He played a similar innings like the one he played in the first match of the Kitply Cup against Pakistan where he scored 9 runs of 27 balls before being clean bowled by Shahid Afridi. Today he took 29 balls to score 11 runs, this is not the same Rohit Sharma we saw in the IPL.

    Back to Munir, its not that you are right in saying whatever you are saying, but you certainly have the right to say whatever you feel is right and we won’t censor it or delete your views if they don’t agree with mine or that of the others. This is what it is we need a good healthy discussion and disagreements and not just, “I am agree.”

  85. #85 by Mohammed Munir on June 25, 2008 - 12:25 PM

    Javed Khan …

    “we won’t censor it or delete your views if they don’t agree with mine or that of the others. This is what it is we need a good healthy discussion and disagreements and not just, “I am agree.” ”

    THIS IS WHY I LIKE … NO NO, I “LOVE” THIS SITE 🙂

  86. #86 by Sakthi on June 25, 2008 - 12:42 PM

    Indian batting line-up should be like this for tomorrow’s critical match against Pakistan:

    1. Gambhir
    2. Shewag
    3. Yuvraj
    4. Dhoni
    5. Raina
    6. Yusuf Pathan
    7. Irfan Pathan
    8. Ghoni
    9. Kumar
    10. Sharma
    11. Chawla

    The above line-up gives a good balance between batting and bowling. What do you guys think?

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2008 - 12:52 PM

    While India can easily post a total of 4000 and so is Sri Lanka cruising comfortable at the moment, the only hitch is their top three are out, except for Jayawardene, Sangakara and Jayasuria scored well. However KapuraGurda, Chamara and Dilshan Tilakeratne is there to keep the momentum going.

    Dhoni has made a good decision to bat higher up the order and he will be more effective at this spot, but Malik should not try to ape him by opening the innings. Last time he did that at Gwalior in Nov. 2007 and Butt got out on a zero and yesterday also the same thing happened. I don’t understand why he needs to protect Butt? He should let Afridi open the innings, never mind if he gets out cheaply. In any case there is no stability in the opening stand of Pakistan. If Shahid Afridi can regain his confidence and gets back into his batting form thats it, 50% of the match is already won.

    About Dhoni, I would suggest he should take some lessons in playing Golf. He should just go to the shooting range and ask someone to coach him how to swing the golf club. There is no doubt that he is a good player but the way he plays his shots he always gets dis balanced and there is no grace, no poise, no elegance in his shots, in fact they are exactly the opposite. If you compare Dhoni’s style avec Lara, you will know what I mean. Even Rohit Sharma is very stylish. If Dhoni can afford an image manager to teach him how to talk, behave and act, he should also tell him to play his shots more gracefully and elegantly.

  88. #88 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on June 25, 2008 - 1:31 PM

    Interesting comments, the Indian innings just came to an end with 374 on board and I doubt that Sri Lanka would be able to surpass that total because they are losing wickets, and right now with 333/6 in 47 overs. So, India’s total will remain the highest in Asia Cup at least for the time being.

    Shakti your team looks good but the only problem is India will not be getting enough time to settle down before playing Pakistan tomorrow so that could be the drawback as Dhoni was seen getting a twitch in his back in the last over when he played and missed twice. Also we dont know how bad Irfan’s side strain is and how fit ishant sharma is. Indian bowling is weaker than their batting.

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2008 - 1:50 PM

    Sakhti

    you have dropped Rohit Sharma from your team? What are the basis? Is it based on my comments that he is not the same Rohit Sharma we know? Or, you too think he is not in form? The point is who would you drop if you include Rohit? Yousuf Pathan may ride on his luck in batting but he is also a bowler, then so is Rohit. But, Dhoni has not used Rohit as a bowler like Gilchrist never bothered to try him in the IPL. I think Rohit may not fail if he plays again tomorrow. May be Sehwag or Raina might but not Rohit. Anyways, these are my views but they decide on whatever they deem fit and necessary.

    I think that 400 target wasn’t that far had Raina not gotten out immediately after scoring his 100. That total was well within their reach, Uthappa slowed down the proceedings and the momentum except for hitting a six on the last ball he was very defensive and was aiming not to get out to cement his place in the playing XI. He is out of sorts these days because of losing his focus from cricket to personal attention. He was focusing more on his image like, jazzy hairstyle, designer sunglasses and trying to get crowd attention by bowing towards them after taking a catch. He paid a price for that and its too late, he got an opportunity to play today, but didn’t get enough time to prove his worth. Yuvraj will definitely snatch his place back from him for tomorrow’s match.

    Playing Goni in place of RP Singh? I think it will be more clear after seeing him bowl today whether that would be the right choice to play him in a crucial against Pakistan tomorrow which will decide who will play against Bangladesh.

    And yes Sri Lanka couldn’t score more than India they have settled for 357/9 in 50 overs. Hence India’s total remains the highest in the Asia Cup. So, far it was Pakistan in the previous Asia Cup and now it is India followed by Sri Lanka and Pakistan’s 343 is the third highest. Now, all the big scoring games are almost over, perhaps Sri Lanka has another chance against Munir’s team and may be they can belt them, if only they win the toss and elect to bat first.

  90. #90 by Sakthi on June 25, 2008 - 2:18 PM

    Javed
    I have not included Rohit Sharma in the squad because he is out of form. He often gets good start and throws his wicket away. Yusuf Pathan is a better bowler and fielder than Sharma plus whatever he scores, he scores at a rapid pace and that is why I have put him at number 6. He should either come in at no. 3 to utilize power play or no. 6 to utilize the final overs. Of course, it all depends on the start that India gets.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2008 - 3:09 PM

    Sakhti

    Thats what I thought, but Yousuf Pathan is not a better fielder than Rohit Sharma I won’t agree on that. It doesn’t mean YP is a bad fielder but Rohit is a little sharper and smarter in the field.

    With Bangladesh and Hong Kong batting right now, there is no interest in the game, it will be a one sided affair in any case so I would be going off to work.

  92. #92 by theossa on June 25, 2008 - 5:34 PM

    I missed a lot of stuff here but it’s good to be back. We got some funds that needed to be utilized so we were working on a crash project and that’s why I could not comment.
    Back to the discussion, “I am totally agree” that either Afridi or Younis should be captain. There was some interesting discussion between Munir and Javed. As an Akhroat I feel obligated to throw a couple of cents there. In my opinion Afridi’s batting is what his record shows and with that I mean “not very consistent”. So it’s not that he is not smart or won’t adapt to the situation, if that was the case his bowling wouldn’t be intelligent and vastly improved. I think when he bats he bats to his skills and talent and that’s that. A good batsman? Not really. A good bowler? sure. Captain material? Hell yeah.

    Well, let me confess that I feel more comfortable with Pathans than any other race or sect. I have friends in a variety of races and religions but I’m naturally biased towards Pathans. Having said that in cricket I want Pak to win regardless who plays, hell if a donkey scores centuries and win us matches I’m for it.

    Let me write my “famous” and “successful” usual prediction for the tomorrow’s game (unlike Awas’s). India wins. Pak have a chance only if the get rid of the bowler rapists Sehwag and Gambhir in the first 10 overs. Chow.

    I’m gonna visit my sweat heart Natalie now.

  93. #93 by Mohammed Munir on June 25, 2008 - 7:23 PM

    Munir’s Team (UAE) will not let Sri Lank score over 357 in any case.

    Yes we are minnows, but we are not Bangoos 😉

    I think today, Bangoos have been reminded their actual position in the ‘Circle of Life’, by the Sri Lankans.

  94. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2008 - 8:14 PM

    theossa

    welcome back – straight into Natalie’s lap.

    There is nothing to write home about except that you missed my shortest ever comment on the blog.

    Like you, we are all very anxious to see India / Pakistan encounter tomorrow and the way the Indians played today it was raining sixes and fours as opposed to Pakistan’s poor show – I won’t call it pathetic but, it was definitely a poor show against the minnows.

    The point that I would like to remind you about Afridi’s bowling is, despite the fact that in the year 2008 he is the leading wicket taker in the ODI, not only for Pakistan but in the whole world — 26 wickets in 13 matches — some of our Pakistani blokes who are biased against him wants to see him out of the team – I am not referring to Munir here – but a few other jokers on other blogs. This is the height of not only nepotism, favouritism but, also of regionalism and jingoism. Its like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whereas, you, khansahab, Awas, Munir, I and a host of other fans want Pakistan to win, like you have said: “Having said that in cricket I want Pak to win regardless who plays, hell if a donkey scores centuries and win us matches I’m for it.”

    Your prediction is also like that of Sakhti and Amit.P they both use reverse psychology to jinx the result. Not only that India and Pakistan, whenever they play against each other, they play for pride and vanity, but this time they are playing to retain the number one spot in their group so that they can play against Bangladesh and walk through the semis into the final.

    If Sehwag and Gambhir are out cheaply then they can grab the bull by its horns. Dhoni and Raina may not score a century within 24 hours, that would be asking or expecting too much from them. But, Gambhir could be more dangerous than Sehwag because he has always played well against Pakistan and so is Yuvraj.

    Malik should not open. PERIOD.

  95. #95 by khansahab on June 25, 2008 - 9:09 PM

    Munir sahab,

    Thanks for your response and words of praise. I am delighted you have opened up. This is a platform which allows you to open up without any fear of censorship.

    I am not anti Punjab and I do not believe Punjabis are “bad people”. If I have ever indicated that through my comments then I have been an ass because that is a stupid thing to say. We know many Urdu Speakers who are pathetic human beings and we know many Punjabis who are great people. I have been the one saying that all types of people exist everywhere. Awas is a Punjabi but he is one of the most decent and humble people I have ever met. I trust him with my life and I have a kinda blind faith in him, such is my respect for him.

    The reason why criticism of Punjabis by non Punjabis appears “amplified” is because in Pakistan Punjabis/Kashmiris account for 60% of the population. So if there are more people there will be more criticism. This is a natural reaction which I think Punjabis should understand. Having said that, Muhajirs who make maybe only 1-2% of the population seem to get much more than their fair share of criticism from non Muhajirs!

    There is absolutely no doubt that Punjab has produced Pakistan’s best players. Also, when you say, “they may not be the best human beings around”, what is there to say for instance, that Miandad is a better human being than Wasim Akram? I don’t think the question is of who is a better human being. Let us leave that for the “divine powers” to decide.

    Also, Munir sahab you are very knowledgeable and wise and you need not feel less able than the other LS regulars. I personally don’t have a wealth of experience playing cricket but I learned about cricket through reading and observing. So if you can read and observe well and have a decent education, I don’t think you need more to write about sport in order to write in some sort of “academic capacity”.

    Finally about Afridi, yes I understand your frustration as to why Afridi having been around for over a decade still has not sorted his batting out. The answer is, he will never be able to bat any differently. He is a unique case that he should be in the team and he must be facilitated according to his demands and the team management should keep tweaking with his batting position until he strikes form. If his bowling was not so good I would not be saying all this. I must quote Theossa here (albeit indirectly), that Afridi is not a good batsman but he is a good bowler and he is definitely captaincy material.

    Theossa,

    Good to have you back here and I like what you said in your comment.

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