A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS- India vs Sri Lanka, ODI series preview

The ODI series starts tomorrow with conditions looking pretty good for cricket. The pitch is said to be firm in good shape and these types of conditions can suit any team. So far the Sri Lankan pitches have played pretty well. The usual definition of a good pitch is one which does not get worn out easily and offers something for batsmen, pacers and spinners too. It appears the pitches in this series have been made to facilitate pace bowling early on- this is seen commonly now in international cricket but Sri Lankans would have definitely planned for the pitch to produce some spin because of the M&M effect.

Currently Sri Lanka are no 7 in the world rankings in ODI’s, although in Test cricket they are placed at no 4, just below India. However it is interesting to see that Sri Lanka have the same rating as 6th placed England, but in terms of points they are about 100 points behind. The past couple of years have not been great for Sri Lanka in ODI cricket. Like India, they have also seen a sustained improvement in the longer version of the game but in ODI’s they are also inconsistent and unpredictable. This alone makes predicting who will win this series, very difficult as both sides are mercurial. The Indians are ranked 4th in ODI’s whereas Pakistan ranked 5th, are only 2 rating points behind India (Pakistan, having benefited from beating minnow sides over the past year).

Going into the first match, Sehwag appears doubtful to play because of his twisted ankle, although this affliction is only expected to prevent him from playing the first match. This is a considerable blow to the Indian camp as Sehwag has been a consistent performer this year for India along with Gambhir. This year Sehwag has averaged 45 in ODI’s along with a strike rate of 125. In terms of batting average and strike rate, so far 2008 has been the best year in his illustrious career.

Sehwag while probably not playing in the 1st ODI, is expected to be a key player this series

Sehwag while probably not playing in the 1st ODI, is expected to be a key player this series

Gambhir has averaged 57 this year with an awesome strike rate of 92

Gambhir has averaged 57 this year with an awesome strike rate of 92

Gambhir, though, has been in splendid form and will most certainly be playing. India will heavily rely on the pair of Sehwag and Gambhir if they are to win this series convincingly. India will be hoping Gambhir gets going tomorrow so that Sehwag’s presence is not felt. The key middle order batsmen are Dhoni and Yuvraj. Whereas consistency is expected from Dhoni, Yuvraj’s haphazard form will make the Indian fans somewhat anxious. Yuvraj did, however, score a commanding 172 in 121 balls in the recent practice match which India won by a decent margin. Suresh Raina deserves a mention too as someone who can turn the tide in favour of India as he was imperious in the recent Asia Cup, being the second highest run getter.

From the bowling side, the Indian think tank is doing the right thing by advocating 5 specialist bowlers to play in the XI (it somewhat helps India that Irfan Pathan can bat lower down the order). Harbhajan will look to carry on his recent admirable form, and Zaheer Khan also looked consistent with line and length recently. In the pace department India appear to have the edge with the experienced Pathan and Zaheer. Sri Lanka are going with one experienced and renowned pacer, Vaas, but what Sri Lanka have which India lack, are Murali and Mendis.

Mendis was unplayable in the Asia Cup and Sri Lanka will be expecting him to replicate the same peformance against India

Mendis was unplayable in the Asia Cup and Sri Lanka will be expecting him to replicate the same performance against India

Mendis was the Man of the Series in the Test series and although the Indians have studied him extensively, there still appears to be a gap in their knowledge about his doosra and his flipper. It goes without saying Sri Lanka’s main bowlers in this series and Murali and Mendis although Vaas as always will contribute to an extent. Most commentators have already predicted that the result of this series will depend on how well (or badly) the Indians play Mendis and Murali.

Hence an interesting series looms ahead, with both sides being quite evenly matched it seems. Whereas India have been in good form overall in the past two years, they did look underconfident in the Test series against Mendis and Murali. Sri Lanka do carry the psychological advantage at the moment because of this M&M effect. Nevertheless, the Indian team has a chance to make amends for what happened in the Test series and Dhoni and his men will look to convince their fans that India is still a formidable side in world cricket.

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  1. #1 by Zain on August 18, 2008 - 2:54 AM

    Excellent thread, good analysis. Its a shame that Sehwag is doubtful but you are right that Gambhir is in good nick and so is Yuvraj Singh his big hundred with 13 sixes must be a dual edge sword – boost his confidence – dent the Sri Lankan bowler’s confidence. But, the point to not is would he be doing the same against Mendis and Murali?

    I think with Dhoni back in the team to lead it will make a big difference. Sehwag is a no doubt a key player in the team and he can always change the course of the game and win a match singlehandedly but the other boys if not equally good are not that bad either. So, I am waiting impatiently for the ODI to start, any news on rain? Hope there is no rain.

  2. #2 by Mohammed Munir on August 18, 2008 - 8:45 AM

    President Pervaiz Musharraf …………… RESIGNED !!

    A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDS – For PCB 🙂

    I will get back to Cricket and India/ Sri Lankan Series later 😉

  3. #3 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 10:55 AM

    Pakistan cricket

    Ashraf resigns as PCB chairman

    Osman Samiuddin

    August 18, 2008

    Nasim Ashraf, the chairman of the PCB, has resigned from his post on the same day that the patron of the board, Pervez Musharraf, resigned from the presidency.

    Former president Musharraf was a resolute backer of Ashraf and it had been widely speculated over the last few weeks that Ashraf would step down when Musharraf did. Ashraf has sent in his resignation to the Presidency House, from where it has to be accepted, before he can officially step down.

    Ashraf took over as chairman of the board in October 2006, replacing Shaharyar Khan and presided over one of the most tumultuous periods in the history of Pakistan cricket.

  4. #4 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 11:00 AM

    Nasim Ashraf had been appointed by Musharraf so that more talent from neglected places like NWFP and Baluchistan could be selected to play for Pakistan. Also, Dr Ashraf was appointed to encourage more honesty and transparency into the corrupt PCB top brass. He was partially successful, however faced enormous opposition from the media and the dominant establishment. Dr Ashraf was appointed for one more agenda, which was to control player power and eradicate player indiscipline such as normally witnessed from people like Shoaib Actor.

    The establishment would not have let Dr Ashraf remain in power once the President was ousted. Legslip bloggers are welcomed to discuss the legacy of Nasim Ashraf and the legacy of Pervez Musharraf, who, his supporters believe, will be called the Father of Modern Pakistan in the future.

  5. #5 by Mohammed Munir on August 18, 2008 - 11:16 AM

    Didn’t I say I will get back to Cricket and the India/ Sri Lank Series ?

    Well, here I am, …… but oh what …… the match is over and Sri Lanka won by 8 wickets within 35 overs 😦

    I guess now I should be back with the analysis 😉

  6. #6 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 11:50 AM

    Munir sahab

    It is great to have to back. Hope you had a lovely holiday!

  7. #7 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 12:12 PM

    Nawaz Sharif and Zardari were shown on television after Musharraf announced his resignation. Whereas Zardari was visibly pleased and cheerful, it was Nawaz Sharif whose body language was striking. He had a sinister look on his face, of a vindictive man who has reached a goal. He appeared relaxed, but in a devilish and baleful way, almost.

    Meanwhile the majority of Pakistan’s population is celebrating on the streets. About 25 people or so were interviewed by a private TV channel from all 4 corners of Pakistan, and only one person expressed sorrow at this resignation news. He appeared to be the most unbiased and decent and said this is all a conspiracy against Musharraf and the new rulers of the country will take the country towards mayhem.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 18, 2008 - 1:08 PM

    THRASHING is the right word to describe India’s defeat at the hands of Sri Lanka in the first test. To me it appears they lost the match even before winning the toss i.e., when Sehwag was declared unfit. That was a big psychological set back and the second one was playing against “Mendas.”

    I watched the match till the time India were 87 for 7 i.e., when Pathan got out I lost the interest in the game and it was too late for me to keep myself awake and I knew what the outcome of the match would be. The Indian batsmen and “Mendas” did not disappoint me.

    First it was Sehwag’s absence and second was Gambhir’s stupid shot on the second ball that lead to this debacle, even when he was not ready he wanted to play a straight shot on the ball that was moving inside and Vaas is always very good in the first over and he got him clean.

    Yuvraj, I couldn’t believe how he let the ball pass between his bat and pad? Or, should the credit goes to Mendis? Even Dhoni was looking pathetic and off-colour after the absence from cricket. Anyways, whats done cannot be undone. Now, they have to regroup and play the second ODI better. Not a single Indian batsmen showed any class and played like a mediocre high school boy.

    With Musharaf’s departure it was expected that DNA will go and he did the right thing by resigning before they fire him. The question is who will replace him? In the political front we know Musharaf has been replaced not by one but by TWO GHUNDAAS. So, who how many will replace DNA?

    With the dust settling in the political arena, will there be more chances of less disturbances on the streets, isn’t that we all should expect now? In that case there will be more chances of Champions Trophy taking place as per schedule. I am more interested in that, because for me the country’s politics have no bearing, no importance. The crooks have come to loot the country and the people of Pakistan who have brought them will pay a heavy price for that. May God bless Pakistan from now onwards.

    Did anyone see “the Jamican Lightening Bolt” that hit the Bird’s nest in Beijing? What a dash, man that guy is superb, he could have done 100m in less than 9.60 but, he slowed down during the last 10 meters i.e., when he saw no one was near him, he stretched his arms and beat his chest to celebrate his victory even before it was achieved.

    Munir welcome back and you better go and get theossa out of that darkroom where he has shut himself with Natalie.

  9. #9 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 1:25 PM

    Who will be the next President of Pakistan? People speculate it will be someone from Sindh. There are also reports that Asfandar Wali Khan, the leader of ANP, a liberal Pukhtoon nationalist party, might be the President.

    Yousaf Raza Gillani became PM only because Amin Fahim was denied the premiership, so a Punjabi could become the PM. It was essential for PPP to take Punjab into confidence as the largest party in Pakistan. Hence they now feel the President should be a Sindhi or a Pukhtoon. There are no high ranking Pukhtoons in PPP, which is where Wali Khan comes in.

    There are also reports that Nawaz Sharif wants a Punjabi to be the President of Pakistan, whether that is from PPP or PML N. This will now certainly be a reason for conflict between PPP and PML N- in fact their conflicts and disagreements will start from today now that Musharraf is out of the picture.

    According to my father, Wali Khan is a “decent and sophisticated” individual, so I am hoping he will be the President instead of any crook.

  10. #10 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 18, 2008 - 2:31 PM

    khansahab

    what I don’t like in the sub-continent politics other than their cheap mentality and crookedness, is the Kingships and dynasties that comes into play. Even in today’s world the masses of India and Pakistan not only think but they firmly believe that only those whose fathers have ruled before are capable of running the country. Be it Afsandiyar Wali Khan, or his father or his grandfather. And same goes with the Bhutto Dynasty. And just because Nawaz Sharif is in power his brother Shahbaz Sharif is also in power and these people say, there is no other choice! We have no one else to take their place. If that is true then, A BIG SHAME on the rest of the 170 million population of Pakistan and that includes me and you and the rest of us that we cannot do anything to get these rogue politicians out.

    In the previous thread I wrote that if anyone who could have gotten rid of the Feudal Lords System from Pakistan that would have been Z. A. Bhutto, but he chickened out. Having said that, I realized he was also a Feudal Lord and the whole Dynasty is like that and no wonder why he chickened out.

    Khansahab, whoever comes be it a Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi or a Baluchi all I want to see is someone who is educated, sensible, honest and capable to do that job. Among the Punjabis and from the PPP, the only person I have some respect is SHAH MAHMOOD QUERESHI and right now he is the Minister of Foreign Affairs, why can’t they chose him to be the President of Pakistan? He hails from Aitchison College, Lahore and did his bachelors from FC college, Lahore. He went on to do a Master’s degree in law from the University of Cambridge. He is a very capable person who not only speaks English fluently but, he is also very sensible and matured and competent for the job.

    More than anything else he maintained a very clean record. He is a dynamic leader with extensive following among the young and he will be a true inspiration for the new generation and Pakistan needs a young man like him.

  11. #11 by theossa on August 18, 2008 - 2:33 PM

    Guys I could not follow any cricket or LS because of job commitments and it looks like I’ll stay busy for a while. Actually I wanted to say hi to Natalie but thought I should also wave at friends.

    India’s defeat was lack luster and spineless. I can’t believe they have given up like that! They should man up and regroup to get back into the series but something is telling me they’ll lose ODI series also.

    Nawaz Sharif and Zardari are joke! They are slap on the common man’s face. Is there any politician who cares about the real problems like poverty, unemployment, education, and health care in the country or everyone is busy in quenching their vengeance and loot the country? If nothing else Musharaf was never a corrupt leader nor was Nasim Ashraf. Sell all those weapons and spend on people’s welfare. For goodness sake for the $20 million price tag of one F-16 a lot of problems in Baluchistan and NWFP could be solved. What a shame! This whole Kashmir issue is just a baloney. Military don’t want it resolved because there will be no reason for the existence. Pak has the World’s 7th largest military while it is among the poorest of the poor. Honestly guys, India is like a crocodile and Pak is like a lizard, have you guys ever seen lizard snatching food off the mouth of a croc? They should be happy with whatever part of Kashmir they are left with. Period!

    Khansahab, Asfandyar Wali Khan is educated, intellectual, poet, philosopher, and is not corrupt. Pakistan needs more people like him but I would personally want him to stay where the heck he is. He’ll just look like another crook among all these crook leaders even if he runs the country honestly. Pak is not ready for people like Imran and Asfandyar yet.

  12. #12 by Mohammed Munir on August 18, 2008 - 2:42 PM

    Javed A. Khan and Khan Sahab …

    Thanks for your welcoming me back, it feels good to be back, into pavilion 😉

    Theossa …

    Javed Khan is right, you are not to be seen for sometime, hope all is ‘in’ well with Natalie ? 😉

    Awas Bhai or rather Chacha …

    Guess you are keeping busy as I can’t see you much.

    Khan Sahab …

    Wali Khan is dead long back, therefore, he may be ‘decent and sophisticated’ 😦 I guess you wanted to say his son, Asfandaryar Wali Khan 😉

    Kasim Sahab …

    I guess you can help Khan Sahab with a ‘class’ in PPP (Pathetic Pakistani Politics).

    Pawan, Amit P, Other Indian fans …

    I guess there is not much lesft to say after the first ODI 😉 (pun intended)

    Good to see many new names around on the blog.

    As for me, well Turkey was terrific, weather was wonderful, food was fantastic, shopping was superb and last but not the least the girls were great 😉

  13. #13 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 18, 2008 - 2:48 PM

    Munir

    The girls are great especially when you are able to see them only from a distance and I am sure your wife must have kept you under control – avec a Lagaam – 🙂 Munir, I am here although my cousin was visiting us still, I wrote a few lines here but I am back now, whereas your Chacha Awas has disappeared with his beard.

    theossa

    we must all thank Natalie for that 😉 but, in any case its nice to see you back. I g2g now so will catch up later with you guys. Take care.

  14. #14 by theossa on August 18, 2008 - 2:54 PM

    Welcome back Munir -;) and nice to see you poking everyone. I’m disappointed you did not bring me any ‘Turkish Delights’ as you promised. Looks like you did not get much action there because there was a loaded shot gun kept specifically just in case you go wild. Haha. Good to see you back.

  15. #15 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 3:31 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Yeah I have seen Shah Mahmood Qureshi speak and he does appear to be the most decent and refined person. You can see he is there at the top because of his capability, rather than his crookedness. At least the PPP cares about being a “national” party and at least they have some (although limited) sense of promoting people based on their capability as opposed to their sources, ethnicity or clout.

    Theossa

    Asfandar Wali is certainly an honest person who deserves to be at the top and I can understand why you say he should stay out of this mess. Musharraf appeared as the biggest crook because of the corruption of the Choudhary brothers. Sometimes it’s the case of “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em” and even if you don’t join them directly in their crooked dealings, you appear as one of them.

    In the record breaking recent movie, “The Dark Knight”, there is a quote, “You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain”. That is what seems to be the case with Musharraf.

  16. #16 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 3:37 PM

    A post-Musharraf Pakistan

    Frankie Martin

    The general’s resignation means the west must change tack, but elements of Musharraf’s vision should be safeguarded

    After indicating they were willing to support Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf’s exit, US officials are now being forced to contemplate something which they had previously viewed as unthinkable: a Pakistan without their trusted general at its helm. Even the Pakistani military signaled they were no longer willing to support Musharraf, leaving the embattled leader with very few friends.

    The question everyone was asking was: how long will he last? Tariq Ali, writing on Comment is free last week, gave Musharraf only days in office. Now we know: the General has resigned, rather than face the threat of an unprecedented impeachment from Pakistan’s parliament.

    This leaves the United States and its western allies like Britain in a difficult position. The US – as it has done so many times – put all its eggs in one basket in the military ruler Musharraf, and perceptions of the US have plummeted along with Musharraf’s career. An overwhelming percentage of Pakistanis are opposed to Musharraf’s war against militants in Pakistan’s tribal areas, seeing it as an unnecessary American intervention that has made Pakistan less secure. The US must understand that in voting to impeach Musharraf, Pakistanis wanted to vote against the US and the way it is conducting its “war on terror” in Pakistan.

    Prominent Pakistani government figures, including PML chairman Nawaz Sharif, PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, have pushed for a new approach to Pakistan’s tribal areas which focuses more on dialogue instead of Musharraf’s bombardments which radicalised the tribes and led to a perception that their religion, culture, and ethnicity were under attack.

    The departure of Musharraf is a strong indication that the US needs to change course quickly in its “war on terror” in the region, a change demanded by Pakistan’s population. Pakistan is America’s major non-Nato ally, but its population is drifting further and further from the US. If the US does not shift to a more culturally nuanced, efficient policy in the tribal areas that balances the threat of force with efforts to reach out to the tribes and understand their position, it will be in danger of continuing to promote Musharraf, even now that he has gone, by perpetuating the discredited policies that characterised his rule. This will have a disastrous effect on US-Pakistan relations and will also serve to swing the pendulum further towards religious conservatives who preach that Islam is under attack from the US.

    In the face of Musharraf’s exit, I am left thinking of what might have been. I had the opportunity to spend an hour with Musharraf in Rawalpindi as a part of a research trip I took around the Muslim world for the book Journey into Islam: The Crisis of Globalization by Akbar Ahmed (Brookings Press: 2007). The Musharraf I met was warm, engaged, and possessed a genuine sense of humour. He spoke passionately about Pakistan and also Islam, especially the moving experience he had taking the haj to Saudi Arabia. He spoke of the need to balance Islamic religion and culture with the opportunities offered by the west, and said that it was possible to be both Muslim and modern without being western. He also, curiously, spoke of his admiration for Napoleon Bonaparte in a discussion about history; I think he may have seen himself as a patriotic military leader who sought to implement religious freedom and other reforms through the military.

    Musharraf failed in this dream, partly because of the trappings of absolute power and partly because myopic directions from Washington to attack terrorists diverted any education funds there might have been toward weaponry to reign down upon the restive tribes.

    It is interesting because, Musharraf’s dream for Pakistan is exactly the vision of Pakistan’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, who formed a modern, democratic Muslim state on the basis of human rights, women’s rights, and minority rights in 1947. It is this vision that both the US and the Pakistani government must return to as the country moves into the post-Musharraf era. This means strengthening the judiciary and rule of law while also reinstating Pakistan’s civil service – the organisation Jinnah once referred to as the “steel structure” of the state – which Musharraf dismantled in favor of the military.

    The post Musharraf-era is in the hands of the people of Pakistan. The US can help by providing its ally with strong leadership, guidance, and resources to strengthen a fragile democracy. But if America reverts to the same Musharraf-era policies and the law and order situation deteriorates further, Pakistan could soon be saluting a new military dictator.

  17. #17 by theossa on August 18, 2008 - 3:54 PM

    Khansahab I see a sense here in U.S. that aid should be directed towards people of Pakistan especially to the undeveloped and long ignored tribal areas. Unfortunately, war on terror is going to stay and if Obama is elected you’ll see Pak in hot waters. Republican are traditionally more favorable to Pakistan. These are international politics and you should have a better grasp over it. You see I’m just a lover and I good at talking about Natalie and women in general -

  18. #18 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 4:19 PM

    Theossa

    You are great at talking about that sexy showpiece Natalie, but not very good at talking about other women on LS Hot Gals 🙂 That is because you are in love- this is the difference between love and lust 🙂 When you lust for one face and body you do get attracted to another. I would know because my hit list of sexy women is endless :)…………….I AM IN LUST WITH THEM.

    On a more serious note, yeah the War on Terror will remain because more and more people are becoming terrorists in the Tribal Areas as they are seeing their villages being destroyed and their families being terminated. It is like a vicious circle with no end. These people see the armed forces as enemies who are a threat to their life, their religion and their customs. Yeah the Republicans have always supported Pakistan more whereas the Democrats have always been anti Pakistan and pro India. It is interesting how whenever Republicans have been in power, the Army has ruled Pakistan mainly. In Ayub’s time Eisenhower was the President, in Yahya Khan’s time it was Nixon, in Zia Ul Haq’s time it was Reagan and in Musharraf’s time, it was (is) Bush.

  19. #19 by Rohit on August 18, 2008 - 4:30 PM

    absolutely disgusting performance from india. dhoni spoke about the need to learn, what were they doing all these days? they were completely clueless. yes, i admit mendis is hard to read and he is the new phenomenon but the indian batsmen couldnt even play the pacers properly and by now they SHOULD have learned how to play Murali. but alas.
    these guys will have to get their act together, because this time neither of sachin, sourav or dravid are there to take the blame. oh yes and i think the young prince yuvraj should be kicked out, his short career is over- he is a waste of space really.i like to remain optimistic and i am hoping we will see more spine from the these players in the next games…..

  20. #20 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 4:34 PM

    Rohit

    I understand your frustration and I agree the Indians are running out of excuses now. To compound India’s woes, we now learn that Sehwag has been ruled out of the series. This will affect the team’s morale and the sooner they get over it, the better.

  21. #21 by theossa on August 18, 2008 - 4:54 PM

    Khansahab, I hate it when people can read my inner feelings. LOL. You are not far behind in becoming a veteran womanizer. I guess I have to change how I view you! There is not much difference between love and lust but here is what I think; when you satisfy lust, you feel empty afterwards while when you make love you feel rejuvenated. Chicks dig a silver tongue, LOL.

    That Dark Knight is an awesome movie. The joker character actually overshadowed the batman character and that’s why people loved it. We all are sick of superheroes kicking ass all the time, it was good to see their behind getting whipped.

    Your observation is quite true about Republicans supporting military but one has to think whether it was circumstantial or deliberate? Could be both, it’s hard to say. For now I just hope the crooks focus on some real issues. Hopefully media will chew their ass if they don’t. Speaking of witch, thanks to Musharaf he initiated free press and media for the first time in the history of Pakistan. Good job chief and you’ll be remembered for that!

  22. #22 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 6:03 PM

    Theossa

    I am not a womaniser and I am and have always been single…………

  23. #23 by Mohammed Munir on August 18, 2008 - 6:45 PM

    Theossa …

    Wow, there is Theossa all over the place and must confess that I am impressed with your political foresightedness and analysis of the Pakistan’s crisis. I totally agree that to get out of this mess, our politicians as well as the general public needs to be realistic and see the facts, as most of the times we are in fool’s paradise. I also agree that Zardari and Sharif are no saints and neither was Musharraf, infact they are even worst then Musharaaf.

    I am not a big fan of politics and am not much into it, be it Pakistan politics or otherwise, but in his early days, I had a better opinion about Musharraf, however, my views changed with the Lal Masjid and his issues with the Pathans in NWFP.

    No matter what, you can never allow your countrymen to be handed over to other countries and kill their women and kids, no matter how bad they may be. This is never an option, but he betrayed his own peoples, this should never have been allowed, even if his own life was on the line.

    No independent country allows that.

    Anyways, let’s see if something good turns out of this chaos.

  24. #24 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 9:21 PM

    Munir sahab

    Musharraf was definitely no saint but I still feel (and I believe Javed A Khan and Awas will agree) he was the best of the bad lot. It is very difficult to be a saint in Pakistani politics. That however is no excuse for his controversial attitude dealing with the Taliban extremists. I also thought Musharraf was flawless before the problem with the Taliban worsened.

    For the sake of analysis however, his attitude towards the NWFP people were not like this when he came to power in 1999. It only became like this after 2001, and most of the bloodshed occurred due to foreign pressure rather than own will. People seem to have forgotten statements made by the American senators after 9/11 when some of them said that “We will bomb Pakistan back to the Dark Ages if they don’t cooperate with us”. In fact Barack Obama himself made many incensed and threatening speeches regarding the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Having said that a politician would have negotiated with the Americans and would have asked for some favours in return. Today there was a political discussion regarding this War on Terror and whereas people accepted that Pakistan Army had little choice in the matter, Musharraf could have asked for some favours from the Americans too, which he did not because he was a dictator, not a politician and a politician’s job is to negotiate and compromise.

    About Musharraf’s legacy, I believe he has been one of the most influential leaders in Pakistan and I believe time will be on his side as twenty or so years down the line, he will be remembered for these reasons:

    1) Encouragement of education and general public awareness in the country- this actually worked against him because the public has become more critical, analytical and aware. However over time it will prove to be a good thing for the country

    2) Private TV channels, when he came to power there were only 2 or 3 channels. Again this has worked against him, but so many TV channels means competition between channels to broadcast the truth and have a duty to educate the masses. It also means that there will be independent scrutiny of the government as the government will be asked to explain its actions to the independent journalists and presenters. So in the future all governments would be more careful not to be as corrupt and to digest the concerns of the public a lot more

    3) Empowerment of minorities- Women and religious minorities were empowered. Under Musharraf the whole country developed a more liberal attitude towards women in industry and women representing all sectors as much as men. Hindus and Christians in the country were also generally pleased with the broadmindedness and tolerance of Musharraf who encouraged their participation in all fields- politics, sports, industry, entertainment, showbiz, education etc etc. In terms of ethnic minorities Baluchis and Pukhtoons have divided opinions (although most educated Pukhtoons and Baluchis speak of Musharraf more favourably than Zardari or Nawaz Sharif). However from the perspective of Urdu Speakers, it was a golden era for them as the MQM’s emergence into the establishment, along with the introduction of the City Nazim in major cities, resulted in considerable growth in infrastructure in Karachi. You might say Karachi was a “neglected” city before Musharraf came into power- I personally don’t know as I wasn’t old enough to observe or analyse things and I can only speak for what I have observed in the past few years.

    There are other (less significant) positives that resulted from Musharraf’s era, however these 3 outlined above will have an unprecedented impact on Pakistani society in the future. Politicians will be more careful in what they say and do and will feel a greater responsibility to serve people rather than make fools out of them. The public, for whatever reason, has become a lot more aware of politics and this again will mean that the government has to give greater credence to the concerns of the governed. Finally, minorities now have a worthwhile role in Pakistani society and in terms of Karachi, which is a very important city as any turbulence affects the country’s economy, the empowerment of Urdu Speakers means that some balance has been restored from a social, ethnic and economic point of view, which is significant if there is to be peace in the city and the nation’s financial capital.

  25. #25 by Awas on August 18, 2008 - 10:50 PM

    Due to some pressing personal matters I have been unable to contribute here but have been reading LS regularly and have been in contact with my management buddies albeit irregularly. For the foreseeable future, I will still be an irregular contributor.

    Munir

    Thank you for thinking of me. Your call has prompted me to write something here 😉

    Mush’s resignation although somewhat expected was a blow; for me at least…as I was really sad to see him go like this. He is a real patriot without doubt. He was the best Army General who presided over Pakistan after perhaps Ayub Khan. The civilian rulers had done nothing but plundered before him. The saddest thing for me is he is gone whilst the country is on a downward path. But looking at the bright side he probably thought it better to be out of this civilian company of wolves than to be with them.

    Upon khansahab’s mention, I first thought wouldn’t it be good if a gentleman with a flawless character like Asfandar Wali Khan was to become the next president but then after having read what Javed A Khan and Theossa said I tend to agree its better for ‘a few good men’ like him not to be associated with Zardari and Nawaz. At the end, this president business is going to be a ceremonial role anyway, without power.

    Khansahab, this sinister look that you noticed in Nawas’ eyes after Mush’s ouster reminds me of BB’s glint that I saw once she became PM after Zia. Her sole aim at the time was revenge for her father’s hanging. Nawaz’s sole agenda has been exactly the same ever since he was ousted by Mush. Such corrupt politicians just have their own personal egos to satisfy and care nothing about the country’s welfare.

    Some who have mentioned that Mush’s fault was what he did to the people in the FATA areas then all I can add to what khansahab has just mentioned is that if Mush hadn’t sided with Bush after 9/11 then I have no doubt that the Americans would have beaten the pulp out of Pakistan and Pak would have become another Afghanistan.

    On the resignation of DNA, all I can say is he has done the decent thing and resigned or else he knew he would be ousted in this new development. I agree too that he did a decent job in a very difficult era. But as I once said before he transgressed his remit and was thought to be too involved in on-field team matters. That leaked email example that I had given has also been mentioned by Osman Samiuddin in the article that he wrote.

  26. #26 by khansahab on August 18, 2008 - 11:38 PM

    Awas

    It was really heartening to see your return. Hope things get better.

    The problem we have in Pakistan is lack of education and awareness in the public. It is human nature to be selfish and to want more, however with education we can encourage people to find flaws with the status quo and cause a revolution.

    It is ludicrous Pakistanis can think people like Zardari, Nawaz Sharif and Altaf Hussein can have good intentions for the country. If Pakistanis are voting for these people, who are criminals, terrorists and heavily biased and malicious, there is something wrong with this public and they deserve to be in chaos and mayhem. The difference between us speaking like this here on this unique platform and the difference between the typical Pakistani man in Pakistan, who has unjustifiable biases and concerns, who perceives short term gains more significant than long term gains and who wants to fill his pockets without thinking about his fellow countrymen, is that we are educated and more aware.

    The general public themselves need to change if they want to see change in the country. And the first step towards changing society is to look at faults within yourself and correct them. The politicians, police, Army and Civil Service, they have not come from a different planet- they are also Pakistanis. Why is it that whenever a person comes in a position of authority he becomes corrupt and abuses this position and responsibility? That is something that will only be prevented once people start realising this fault. Basically it’s a question of having a clean heart and clean character and the will to give something back to the people without expecting anything from anyone.

    However people don’t focus on these emotional and philosophical issues. They simply talk about practical things like “roti, kapra aur makaan”. In a society like Pakistan people need to realise you need honest people in positions of power, only then will they have their roti, kapra aur makaan.

    The other day I could not express myself very articulately when I was describing Javed A Khan’s accomplishments. What I have said in the preceding paragraph explains what I meant when I said that some qualities only come within people with education and awareness. Otherwise it is in human nature to be selfish and self centred. It is by virtue of education and awareness that I am trying to explain why and how honesty and a clean character is essential for Pakistan to become a self sufficient and economically viable country.

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 19, 2008 - 1:50 AM

    Awas

    Its good to see you back, you were badly missed and hopefully everything is in order and in control? May the force be with you. I must say that theossa and Munir must have brought you back, because they too have just returned to the blog today after a long gap.

    I don’t want to say anything about Musharaf except that he was a good President and shall be remembered for long time. I heard on CNN that the US government is very worried and concerned now because they don’t trust these two crooks especially with the nuclear arsenal in their control. I dunno how strong General Kiyani is and whether the army will allow them to share the control of the nukes with them or keep it under their control. Its a very serious matter.

    As regards aid, I think they should throw away that Aids ka Kashkol or “Cash-Coal.” and become self reliant like other nations. The US government blatantly lies about giving 10 billion dollars in aid to the government of Pakistan, actually they may have given less than 10% of it and make a false propaganda about it. Also, that aid must only be to fight against the so-called terrorist, so what good it is for the poor people of Pakistan? That is why it is very important for them to refuse any future aid from them and concentrate on increasing the GDP (Gross Domestic Produce) and create more jobs within the country.

    With Ashraf gone we don’t know who will take over, may be Shafqat Naghmi will be his successor and we also don’t know if they will make any changes in the team? Our Indian friends Amit and Pawan have gone into silence. Amit come on yar cheer up and write something, your team needs support.

  28. #28 by Mohammed Munir on August 19, 2008 - 10:02 AM

    For a while, it seems there is so much happening in Politics that Cricket has been placed on the back-burner. This is what I like the best about this blog, the flexibility.

    You can always share your opinions with the likeminded peoples on issues such as Cricket, Politics, Cars, Girls or whatever you feel like talking, and without any words limit.

    Coming back to PPP (Pathetic Pakistani Politics), “Andhoun Mein Kana Raja” that is what Musharraf was !!

    Let’s see, if he had not resigned and had he decided to face the impeachment, we would not be having this discussions but it seems, he has come out as ‘hero’, simply by resigning.

    Some of the areas where I see failure with the Ex-General, Ex-CEO of Pakistan and Ex-President are as below:

    – Lal Masjij issue and the massacare of innocent kids.
    – NWFP / Taliban issues and Pak Army killing its own countrymen.
    – Degrading Pakistan Army to a level, where our own peoples are ‘killing’ them.
    – Bringing Army to business entities/ bureaucracy.
    – Bribing and ‘Nawazing’ the Army Generals, thus corrupting them.
    – Importing totally corruption Prime Minister, Shaukat Aziz and then letting him leave.
    – Making fun of Pakistan’s Constitution
    – Humiliating the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
    – Humiliating and Punishing our undisputed National Hero, Dr. Qadeer Khan.
    – Selling Pakistanis to USA, against US Dollars and acknowledging it, which is clearly mentioned in English Version of his book.
    – Over Inclined toward USA and West.
    – NRO agreement with Benazir/ Zardari.
    – Humiliating and blocking the Media/ TV channels and banning all media(which only he liberated).

    Khan Sahab, you mentioned above that “…most of the bloodshed occurred due to foreign pressure rather than own will”. Does it mean that he was justified in killing and handing-over his peoples to USA and he is exempted of all his wrong doing because of foreign pressure ??

    As I mentioned earlier and I totally agree that Zardari and Nawaz are also corrupt and more so then Musharraf, but it only makes him a lesser devil of the two and DOES NOT EXEMPT HIM IN ANY WAY.

  29. #29 by khansahab on August 19, 2008 - 11:07 AM

    Mohammad Asaf’s “B” sample has also tested positive for a banned substance.

    This is a disgraceful incident for the country and for the game of cricket as a whole.

  30. #30 by Mohammed Munir on August 19, 2008 - 12:22 PM

    This is an interesting piece of information which is published on the Cricinfo, and it shows the integrity, or the lack of it, of DNA:

    Pakistan Cricket Board’s U-turns under Dr. Naseem Ashraf:

    Mushtaq Ahmed: Soon after coming to power, sacked Mushtaq as assistant coach, citing Justice Qayyum report that pointed to his links with match-fixing. Re-hired him soon after for World Cup 2007.

    General staff: Sacked 80 PCB staff, and then promptly re-hired them.

    Doping tribunal: Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif were banned after they were found guilty of using steroids, only for the decision to be overturned within a month despite both admitting usage, after an appellate tribunal was set up.

    Constitution: Promised PCB’s constitution would be ready within a month of his appointment. Changed the date three times, and kept on extending it until it was finally ready in January 2008, some 14 months after the original promise.

    Resignation: Handed in his resignation during World Cup 2007, withdrew it about a week later after it was rejected by the patron.

    Foreign coach: Said specifically after World Cup 2007 in a press conference that no foreign coach would be appointed for Pakistan. Appointed Geoff Lawson a few months later.

    Younis Khan: Said, after Younis Khan had turned down the captaincy, that he would not be made captain again. Yet for Pakistan’s tour to India in end-2007, personally appointed Younis vice-captain – he became captain when Shoaib Malik got injured.

    ICL: Announced no player in the ICL would be allowed to play for Pakistan or in Pakistan domestic cricket. Except Inzamam-ul-Haq, who was allowed to play a one-off Test as farewell and reportedly given a Rs 1 crore golden handshake for it.

    ICL, mark II: Announced Rana Naved-ul-Hasan and Mushtaq would not be given NOCs to play county cricket because of their ICL links. Yet both were given one soon after.

    ICL, mark III: Promised Mohammad Yousuf that he would play in the IPL, having paid him to come out of his ICL contract. Currently the matter is stuck in legal limbo forcing Yousuf to miss the first season of both leagues.

    Shoaib Akhtar: The board stated publicly that Shoaib didn’t have to pay any fine in order play in the Champions Trophy, only to then say three days later that actually he does.

    Source:
    http://content-gulf.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/365381.html

  31. #31 by khansahab on August 19, 2008 - 12:27 PM

    Munir sahab

    Thank you for praising this site. I will definitely agree with you about Musharraf not being a saint. However I still feel the need to defend him, just for the sake of analysis if nothing else and I feel we need to promote the sheer fact that leaders like him are much better than the so called democratically elected leaders who feel nothing for the country and fool the masses.

    Knowing you as a broad minded and decent person, I know you will not feel offended if I attempt to defend the President over some issues that you have raised. The answer to most of your allegations is that, “he did that to secure his job because if he had not, he would have to leave office”.

    Lal Masjid issue- It is a fact that the radical clerics had been using women and children as shields. It is also a fact that the Army tried to negotiate with them for days, if not for over a week. They were asking them to surrender and to lay down their arms. With all the respect in the world to the clerics, by holding arms garrisoned in buildings, they were no different to the pro Taliban clerics that are being killed (and are killing many troops themselves, too). Even Musharraf’s harshest critics, although cursing him for giving the green signal for the eventual “massacre”, admit that it was the “Master’s Voice” that was particularly interested in “making an example out of Lal Masjid which is situated in the nation’s capital”. If the clerics were so innocent and if their killing is to be labelled as a “brutal massacre” then they should not have fired at the troops, they should not have held arms and they should not have cowardly used women and children as shields. They wanted to impose Sharia in the capital city which was their justification for doing all this. In this day and age when we have a popular page of “Hot Gals” on this popular site, considering Sharia as a moral and legal framework isn’t exactly easy and even in a country like Pakistan, it just cannot be implemented in its entirety unless an Islamist government comes to power. Despite all this I still think it was wrong for Musharraf to authorise storming the Mosque and killing the innocent kids and women. In the same way it was very wrong for the Mullahs to kill the Army troops and innocent bystanders in the street, too. It is wrong to kill anyone regardless of age, sex, religion and race. What the extremists in Lal Masjid did and what they are doing in the Northern Areas is, avenging murder by murdering more people. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Murder is murder at the end of the day and if a bearded person well versed in the Quran kills someone else, it cannot be justified saying that he was a scholar or a special or privileged person.

    Pakistan Army killing its own men- This is really sad and I know it doesn’t happen in independent countries. But when has Pakistan really been a totally independent or sovereign nation? American policy has dictated what happens in Pakistan whenever a military dictator is ruling the country. Even many Americans accept this as true.

    Bringing Army to bureaucracy- Again this is wrong and quite corrupt. However historically the Army has been less corrupt than civilian officials in Pakistan and it was important for Musharraf to work with people he trusts. Since he is a military man he will obviously trust the Army more. You can say he worked with the Army so that his corruption would be “swept beneath the carpet” or you can say he worked with them so the establishment would be less corrupt and so he could work with trustworthy people to give some realisation to his agenda for a corruption free and modern Pakistan. Whichever way you think will depend on how you feel he is as a person. I feel more inclined to believe he is an honest and patriotic person who genuine wanted good for the country.

    Humiliating the Chief Justice- The CJ is from a Choudhary background and his problem with Musharraf was a personal one. No CJ has ever challenged a dictator in such a way as this CJ did. He was about to rule Musharraf’s authority as unconstitutional which would basically mean, Musharraf would have to quit one way or the other, or he would have to go down the route of imposing martial law which he eventually did later on. He ousted the CJ to save his own a$$. The CJ is no angel himself- he is a corrupt and biased man. If the CJ cares about the country and rule of law and democracy so much he should stand against Nawaz Sharif and Zardari too. Instead he considers them heroes, which only a selfish and self centred man would do whether he is a politician or not. You can defend the Lahore Bar Association’s actions saying that they did everything for democracy and rule of law. However the way they attacked innocent people on Lahore’s streets, the way they attacked PML Q and MQM politicians and the way they vandalised houses, cars and buildings just demonstrates their mentality. Shortly after Musharraf ousted the CJ, Barrister Aitzaz Ahsan gave a press conference in Lahore Bar Association’s headquarters. When he started his speech in Urdu, people were so vehement and so antagonistic that they started shouting, “Aitzaz saab, Punjabi wach gall karo! Punjabi wach gall karo!” So Aitzaz said, “Thairo thairo jee, Punjabi wach bhi gall zaroor karain gey”. This wasn’t happening in the headquarters of Nawaz Sharif’s party- this was happening in the country’s main legal institution. Sometimes certain emotions and underlying reasons for movements and actions are so sensitive that they are never explicitly stated on media. They just have to be understood, observed and felt. I need not say more.

    NRO agreement with BIBI- This is inexcusable on part of Musharraf but this was TOTALLY because of the “Master’s voice”.

    Humiliating and blocking independent media- Again this should not happen in a democratic country, but there is a quote that “Geo TV won the election for Nawaz Sharif and Zardari in 2008.” I again don’t need to say more. The media became the opposition to Musharraf- it was completely biased. The media’s duty is to report facts and not take sides but just like what the CJ did in Pakistan when he took to the streets and became a political figure which no judge has ever done, whether that is in Iraq or Zimbabwe where the regimes have been more brutal, the media also became the opposition to the government and completely obliterated the government’s reputation.

    In the end, what Musharraf said to end his speech should be mentioned here- “I am a human being too and I am not free of follies”. This tells you the nature of the man- can paindoo Nawaz Sharif or Zardari say something like this? It takes integrity to say things like, “I can also defend myself but now is not the time for individual bravado and in the interests of the nation I am doing the right thing.” Yes he committed many follies and mistakes but at the end of the day an educated and reformed Pakistan, maybe decades down the line will label him as the Father of Modern Pakistan, or something similar.

  32. #32 by khansahab on August 19, 2008 - 1:42 PM

    I am getting sick of these reports in the media about the differences between Malik and the selectors. Either Malik should resign or the Selection Committee should resign because these arguments give a bad name to PCB and Pakistan cricket.

    The latest rumours are that Malik once again was against the inclusion of Afridi, this time because Afridi could not attend the training camp as he was attending to his ill wife. Hence Afridi’s fitness level is doubted by Malik. I don’t think it’s such a big problem because Afridi is one of the fittest guys in the team.

    There were also reports about Malik being unhappy with Umar Gul’s inclusion. I don’t think allover Malik has a problem with Gul, because he has supported Gul in the past.

    Kamran Akmal is back in business and so is Shoaib Actor. The performance of these two failures would be monitored closely.

  33. #33 by abdul on August 19, 2008 - 2:50 PM

    Mubarak suhb ho. This is a moment of celebration and jubilation for the nation of Pakistan as the millitary dictator to the name of Pervez Musharraf has resigned and now after months of hard work from Zadari and Sharif the general former army chief has finally gone. Congratulations to all as we approach democracy in our beloved nation. Pakistan – Zindabad !

    Also Musharraf dear friend Nashim Ashraff has also quit . Tibutes to him for his well done job as the chairman of the PCB.

  34. #34 by khansahab on August 19, 2008 - 2:56 PM

    Abdul

    Nice to see your return and aap ko bhi mubarak ho. The torch bearers of democracy Zardari sahab and Sharif sahab have rescued the nation and now Pakistan will go towards prosperity and success. Nawaz Sharif especially fought hard like a lion because he is a Sher.

    Abdul, you didn’t mention the name of the Chief Justice who was sacked by this brutal and evil tyrant Musharraf?

    Pakistan paindabad.

  35. #35 by theossa on August 19, 2008 - 4:24 PM

    Continuing from Khansahab:

    Yes Indeed, Pakistan is going to be Pindabad from now on. Residents will not have to pay electricity bills anymore. Nawaz and Zardari think that we should live the simple life of 11th century, no more electricity and no more bills. People will eat vitamin enriched grass because our leaders also think that by jacking up the prices of food they’ll control the unnecessary appetite of people of Pakistan who get sick after eating rich food. They’ll impose life long Ramadan for all so people will stay fit, average weight of women will be 65 lbs and men will weigh 80 pounds, healthiest nation in the World! Oh, I forgot, everyone will be millionaire because one dollar will equal to 100,000 rupee, Very Nice! That’s the beauty of Hypocrisy, oh I mean Democracy -;)

  36. #36 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 19, 2008 - 4:31 PM

    Dear …….. balkay Pyaray Munir

    Thanks for highlighting the list of Musharaf’s wrong doings but, in all fairness you should have also compared it with the “Torch Bearers of Democracy” i.e., Mian Nawaz Sharif – Jinki na maa Sharif, na baap Sharif, na bhai Sharif and he was crazy about Babra Sharif. Also with the other crook who carries a “Mashal of Democracy” jiski koi Nazeer nahee, I mean jiski koi misaal nahee, he is carrying the name of Benazir Bhutto’s dynasty name only to fool the masses, you should have highlighted some of the stuff they did.

    Perhaps that would be an unending story because, both have looted and plundered the country during their era and its a pity that both have been elected by the people, of the people and for the people of Pakistan to ruin it and flatten it to the surface of the earth.

    Allama Iqbal wrote this verse:

    Na samjho gay tou mit jao gay Aye Hindustaan walo
    Tumharee dastaan tak bhee na ho gee daastano may.

    The Pakistanis of today think it was written for India, but the fact is its written for the people of undivided India and which applies more in case of Pakistan today. We don’t have to replace the word Hindustan with Pakistan to get to the root of the meaning, we need to use our gray matter to understand what he meant by that and to whom he was addressing? In any case it applies to Pakistan more than it applies to Hindustan.

    You have said that Musharaf made fun of Pakistan’s constitution. Are you referring to the illegal 13th and 14th amendment which was done during the time of Nawaz Sharif ? He wanted to build a Fort Knox and live in it where he could not be touched by the army or the President or anyone for that matter.

    Are you aware of the facts that it was Nawaz Sharif who sacked the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Mansur Ul Haq. It was Nawaz Sharif who sacked the Chief of Army Parvez Musharaff. It was Nawaz Sharif who sacked the Supreme Court Chief Justice Sajjad Ali Shah. It was Nawaz Sharif who first transferred his billions of dollars to the Swiss Banks and then froze the dollar accounts of the non-resident Pakistanis. How much more cruel, selfish, egoistical, egomaniacal, self-centered, and self-seeking one can be? He placed his interest above the people’s interest and nation’s interest.

    Qadeer Khan’s
    case is only a showcase drama and nothing more, Musharaf would have never handed over him to the US authorities, but Nawaz Sharif bent down on his knees like Monica Lewensky in front of Bill Clinton and agreed to suck his orders and to do the job for him i.e., to retreat from Kargil and later blamed Musharaf for it because, he couldn’t swallow it.

    The only good thing he did was the construction of the motorway and that must be the idea of his wife Kulsoom Nawaz the grand niece of Gamma Pehalwan and thats how Nawaz Sharif developed a taste of Shabdegh and Nihari.

    As regards Zardari, there is no need to talk about that culprit he is more like a Dakoo than anything else. He needs to remain in jail for the rest of his life.

    Musharaf may have made mistakes for no one is perfect
    but, Musharaf never looted the country and never made billions like these people, no one can prove that he was corrupt or he has money in off-shore accounts like these two crooks have. They openly live in Palaces in Dubai and in Europe and whose money is that anyway?

  37. #37 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 19, 2008 - 4:54 PM

    LOL theossa on your positive thinking on behalf of the new government.

    On eating grass, I think they are implementing the ideology of late Z. A. Bhutto who said, “Ghaas khayenge laikin Bum Banayenge.”

    if the ideal weight of women would be 65lb.s then what about Kulsoom Nawaz? Mind you she is the grand niece of Gamma Pehalwan (its a fact I am not joking) will she be in the heavy weight category or in the Sumo Wrestler’s category? 🙂

  38. #38 by theossa on August 19, 2008 - 5:21 PM

    Javed, the elites like Kulsoom Nawaz are scarifying for the nation; she’ll keep eating Nihari, Paaye, Korma, and drink Mukkhan Lussi so that she can maintain her Gama Pehalwan 300 lbs tummy just to show the nation the ill effects of rich food, not much for her own “Bhati Gate” appetite. That way other women would want to keep their 65 lbs weight threshold and will be grateful to eat the grass. Javed, who told you Nawaz and Zardari’s palaces in foreign states are for their comfort? They just don’t want any money left in the public funds, after all money and greed is the root of all evil. They believe in “No money no problems” for the nation. Pakistan Pindabad!

  39. #39 by theossa on August 19, 2008 - 5:27 PM

    Awas, good to see you back man! The way you were hovering around HOT GALS section lately, I thought you had a Viagra overdose, LOL.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 19, 2008 - 8:18 PM

    theossa

    keep the spirit alive and keep entertaining people because, the news thats coming from Pakistan is very depressing be it politics or cricket its the same.

    And LOL at hinting overdose @ Awas. Knowing Awas he might not spell the V word but, he would say, ‘Man, I take Sildenafil Citrate,” and Munir might say I mix it with methylenedioxymethamphetamine and it worked wonders in Turkey thats why he forgot to bring Turkish Delight for you.

  41. #41 by Mohammed Munir on August 20, 2008 - 6:09 AM

    Dear Musharraf Lovers,

    Unfortunately, both my above mails have failed to make you realize that I have repeatedly said that Sharif and Zardari are worst then Musharraf and Musharraf was a ‘relatively’ better choice. But I think the blinding love for Musharraf may have not allowed the message pass through. So let me try to put it CLEARLY:

    I HATE NAWAZ SHARIF.

    I HATE ASIF ZARDARI.

    And I also HATE PERVEZ MUSHARRAF.

    I agree to most of what have been said about Sharif and Zardari, but it all does not make one bit of a difference to my opinion about Musharraf, becasue how wrong Sharif and Zardari are does not make Musharraf right.

    I still believe that Sharif and Zardari and Musharraf, all are wrong and each one have hurt Pakistan’s cause in their own suitable way.

    Khan Sahab … Thanks for your polite words of understanding and off course I do not get offended if you defend Musharraf, how could I ? One considers decent and broadminded of some one else, when he himself have those qualities and I am sure you do.

    All said and done, in spite of my extreme hatred and dislike for Musharraf, I would preferably refrain from abusing his mother, father or wife because they are not the reason for his failures and by doing so, it shall not help me in proving my point and rather it should show my own frustrations.

    Cricket:

    On cricket, I guess India is on its way for a sweet revenge as Sri Lanka are 44 for 6 in 18th over with all their top batsmen back in the hutch. Zaheer Khan is the devastator with an astonishing figures of 8/ 3/ 11/ 4 wickets so far. It will be a surprise if Sri Lanka could cross 146.

    I am sure now we can see Pawan, Amit P, Sakthi, Rohit and other Indian fans 😉

  42. #42 by khansahab on August 20, 2008 - 9:50 AM

    Mohammad Munir sahab

    Your point has been noted and thanks for clarifying. We all know a person of your decency, broadmindedness and finesse will not succumb to filthy abuse on a public platform. This is because you are not a paindoo. We are all very good and special in our own way because we are not paindoos.

    Pakistan Pindabad 🙂

  43. #43 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 20, 2008 - 10:48 AM

    Munir

    The word “Pyaray” was used only to highlight the light side of the humour and you still took it seriously. The message was not just for you but, for those who visit the blog and simply criticize elsewhere about the outgoing Presidents, Prime Ministers, Chairmen, Players etc., in our traditional way. As regards moi, just because of being a Pathan does not mean I love Musharaf. Hain aur bhee duniya may khabsoorat bahot acchay………. so, please take it easy, bro. 🙂

    Even in the previous thread when someone said Musharaf’s biggest mistake was sacking CJ Chaudhary I highlighted the fact that its been done in the past and mentioned the names. The irony is people have short memories and they tend to forget it very soon and only remember things, incidents and names like Alzheimer patients.

    I was watching the game and must say that Zaheer Khan bowled exceptionally well and he was ably supported by Kumar. But, the best wicket Zaheer got was of Sangakara, he bowled 5 balls all moving away from the left hander and then the last ball was an inswinger and Sangakara missed judged it completely and was clean bowled. And, that gave Zaheer a lot of confidence and he continued to bowl with a lot of venom and aggression and got 3 more wickets.

    Now, Dhoni is playing the anchor role in batting along with young Badrinath, otherwise this match was over, ‘Gone with the wind.’ The Indian batting is absolutely nuts without Sehwag and now without Gambhir its even worst. Pathan could not bat and neither is Rohit Sharma in form.

    Under these circumstances it wouldn’t be a bad idea to get Jaffar in the team to hold on to one end. Or, may be Venugopal Rao of Hyderabad, that guy played well in the IPL especially when the big guns failed he came late and played anchor role a few times and also entertained with big sixes. Yuvraj once again surrendered against Mendis, I don’t know if this will continue for the entire series? But, he is definitely playing because of that big hundred in the 3 day game with his 13 sixes.

    Is Amit, Pawan and the rest of the Indian blokes in mourning or what? Come on guys India is almost through this time and only 3 more boundaries are needed to get even with Sri Lanka and I am sure they will make it.

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 20, 2008 - 11:17 AM

    Dhoni lost his wicket to Dilhara in the end and Harbhajan couldn’t stand against Mendis, eventually India won the match but the moral victory was achieved by the Sri Lankans. They got 7 wickets and that too, all the top order only Badrinath the young lad played defiantly.

    Had Sri Lanka made 30 -40 runs extra India would have struggled. They definitely need to lift their game, Zaheer Khan or any other Indian bowler cannot lift the game singlehandedly – there must be team effort and the batsmen need to come out good.

  45. #45 by khansahab on August 20, 2008 - 12:04 PM

    http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4557935.ece

    This link caught my attention- please visit this. It contains a video of a computer generated image which is deceptively very life-like……unbelievable.

    it is a wonder how much technology has advanced.

  46. #46 by khansahab on August 20, 2008 - 12:16 PM

    How Pakistanis reacted after Musharraf’s resignation

    This information has been taken from BBC’s website and by in large the views of the people do not reflect the views of the common Pakistani people.

    MAHBINA WAHEED, 36, BUSINESSWOMAN, LAHORE

    Musharraf is one of the greatest leaders of Pakistan. He has worked selflessly for the greater good of the country.

    He brought us prosperity and because of him women like me have been able to run businesses, travel anywhere and wear anything. All charges against him are baseless and false.

    It is a sad day that unelected party heads like Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari are running a personal vendetta against him to further their personal goals. It is with tears that we bid him goodbye.

    Our future is uncertain and scary. Without him we will fear for our safety because the politicians who have been in power for the past few months do not inspire any confidence when it comes to our security.

    They do not care about the real issues facing ordinary Pakistanis, such as our daily power supply. All they care is about themselves.

    MUHAMMAD ABBAS, 22, ENGINEERING STUDENT, KARACHI

    I think Pervez Musharraf’s decision to resign will be good for Pakistan’s democracy. Nine years is a long time and he had to go. He did his best during this time for the people of Pakistan.

    For example, he opened up the media. But it is high time and instead of letting emotions run loose the people of Pakistan should study the facts, statistics and history of the last nine years of Musharraf’s rule and compare with that of the decade before.

    We need to think rationally and ask if Asif Zardari and the Sharif brothers give a damn about this country.

    Unfortunately you cannot change your leaders but we do hope they can learn from past mistakes

    FARRUKH TAJ, 35, OFFICE WORKER, ISLAMABAD

    Musharraf is a great Pakistani. He really is a hero. I don’t think Pakistan will be able to find anybody like him for centuries to come!

    He may have committed some mistakes, but overall he was very good for Pakistan, much better than our politicians.

    These politicians who are now in power have been tested before and they have never offered any vision; they only looked after themselves.

    All they do is criticise Musharraf without offering any solid policies of their own for the welfare of the Pakistani people. Musharraf was a visionary, he worked for peace, for the economic development of Pakistan and against terrorism.

    I would very much like him back as our President

    QAZI NAZIR, 28, ABBOTTABAD

    When Musharraf came to power the country was in a mess. He opened up the economy for foreign investment, encouraged industrialisation and freed the media.

    But Pakistan is facing many problems at the moment because of him and the economy is declining day-by-day because of his wrong policies.

    Personally he has been an honest man but his association with Pakistan Muslim League (Q) tarnished his image. I do hope the other parties – the PPP and PML (N) – will work for the betterment of the country.

    I also believe that now that Mr Musharraf has resigned the ruling parties should not impeach him.

    KHALID MUNEER, 46, FACTORY MANAGER, PESHAWAR

    Pervez Musharraf has no ground left to stand. He came to power on false pretexts and remained a powerful man in so many capacities but he could not deliver on his promises.

    He could have done much more on the economy and on issues such as Kashmir. His resignation is in the best interests of Pakistan.

    Now the rule of law, which was absent under Musharraf, will be restored and the judges he sacked will be reinstated.

    I am confident that the present government will work harder for the people which will be evident in the next few months.

    MUHAMMAD WASEEM ELAHI, 46, LAWYER, GUJRANWALA

    I am very happy and satisfied about the resignation. Our country has suffered a lot because of this man.

    The borders of Pakistan are not yet safe, the unwanted war against terrorism has damaged the interest of Pakistan, the economic condition of Pakistan is not stable.

    Law and order has broken down. People are being looted on roads and while in their homes. Poverty, price hikes and the rate of suicide have increased.

    In short the era of Pervez Musharraf was a complete failure.

    As a lawyer I also believe the legal profession will be happy. The deposed judiciary must now be restored at once without any policy riddles and political gimmicks.

    The coalition government is finalising the name of the new president. If promises cannot be delivered and if the economic situation of Pakistan does not improve, then lawyers will launch a new and fresh movement against the present government.

  47. #47 by Kunal Sabherwal on August 20, 2008 - 12:28 PM

    I have mixed feelings about today’s match because india won and its a good psychological boost from the bowling side but they could not dominate the Sri lanKan bowling. perhaps it was destined to be a low scoring match because of the nature of the pitch. I have been supporting Badrinath for 2 years now and he is a good talent with a good head on his shoulders. i dont know why BCCI was neglecting him. Zaheer was great and i was also impressed by praveen kumar. but in terms of batting india is still struggling. viru’s departure has hurt india batting and there is also no sachin. anyways the series in nicely set up and a win is a win, better to take some confidence from it and be positive in the next match rather than sulk about the batting woes and be negative

  48. #48 by theossa on August 20, 2008 - 2:02 PM

    A nervous but successful win for India, thanks to Zahir Khan who cleaned up the top order in a fashion. SL might have been over confident and was the wicket suited for fast bowlers? If that was the case then SL just kicked their own butts because they have Murali and Mendis.

    In another development “Asif Ali Zardari” the cheap ass and the biggest crook in the history of Pak is hinted as the next president. So I’ll ask the nation; next time you go for a dump, please throw 10% of that at Zardari because he demands I and deserve it. However voted for him should eat the rest of 90%. Pakistan Pindabad!

  49. #49 by khansahab on August 20, 2008 - 7:17 PM

    Theossa, Munir sahab, Javed A Khan and Awas

    This is dedicated to you 4, but I hope everyone will enjoy this:

    A boy goes to his father and asks, ‘What is Politics and why is that Gordon Brown on the television again?’

    Dad says, ‘Well son, let me try to explain it this way:

    I am the head of the family, so call me The Prime Minister.

    Your mother is the administrator of the money, so we call her the Government.

    We are here to take care of your needs, so we will call you the People.

    The nanny, we will consider her the Working Class.

    And your baby brother, we will call him the Future.

    Now think about that and see if it makes sense.’

    So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said.

    Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him.

    He finds that the baby has severely soiled his nappy.

    So the little boy goes to his parent’s room and finds his mother asleep.
    Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny’s room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny.

    He gives up and goes back to bed.

    The next morning, the little boy say’s to his father, ‘Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now.’

    The father says, ‘Good, son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about.’

    The little boy replies, ‘The Prime Minister is screwing the Working Class while the Government is sound asleep. The People are being ignored and the Future is in deep s**t.

  50. #50 by khansahab on August 20, 2008 - 10:55 PM

    Munir sahab

    You mentioned MY KASIM sahab in your post earlier. I hope Kasim sahab is OK, we haven’t heard from him for a while. Let us all once more pray for Kasim sahab’s health and well being.

  51. #51 by Mohammed Munir on August 21, 2008 - 6:48 AM

    LOL @ Khan Sahab’s explanations of politics.

    But in case of Zardari, I guess it was the labour-class screwing the Prime Minister (his wife) 😉

    Any which way, the politics is exactly the same allover the world.

    Since I came back and even when I was away, I haven’t seen Kasim Sahab around for sometime now. I hope he is fine and all our prayers are always with him.

    Theossa & Javed Khan …

    Yes yes yes …… I had a loaded shot gun pointed right at my head while in Turkey, but I am sure you guys are saying this from sheer personal experiences 😉

    I must confess though that these loaded guns and cannons can not stop us from peeping around a bit, can they?

    On Turkish delights, I have not forgot anything, well I still have your fair shares kept safely with me, which I shall be glad to pass it on to you guy.

    The only negative from my entire Turkish trip was though that after seeing the “Turkish delights”, my wife has officially banned me from traveling to Turkey alone, ever again. By the way, she say, this is only due to her genuine love for me and also to keep my ‘health’ in good check 😉 I believe her.

    Awas …

    No matter how busy you are, you always make some time for your trip to the Gal’s alley 🙂

    Cricket …

    Good to see India win the second ODI, but I can still not see Pawan Purwaiya and Amit Bhaiya 😉

    This India / Sri Lanka series, be it Tests or ODIs, is so inconsistent that one day you see one team winning comfortably and next day second. I mean the way Sri Lanka won the first test by an innings and 239 runs and then Indian came back strongly and won second test by good margin of 170 runs and again Sri Lanka won the third test comfortably. The same is also the trends in the ODIs, so far.

    Not only are the games less interesting without any close-finishes, but there is a huge amount of inconsistency displayed in the levels of cricket played from both sides.

  52. #52 by khansahab on August 21, 2008 - 10:04 AM

    Ijaz Butt likely to take over as new PCB chief

    By Mohammad Yaqoob

    LAHORE, Aug 20: The Federal Sports Ministry’s plans of bringing in an ad hoc committee to run the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for an interim period will not see the light of the day after it was learnt on Wednesday that the government will be appointing a new chairman of the board with immediate effect.

    Sources in the ministry said the name of former Test cricketer Ijaz Butt had almost been finalised as the new chairman of the Board and the clearance from Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gillani was now just a formality. The post of the PCB chairman is lying vacant after previous Chairman Dr Nasim Ashraf resigned on Monday.

    Federal Sports Minister Najamuddin Khan had announced on Tuesday that ad hoc will be imposed on PCB with aims to prepare a new constitution of the Board as well as to audit the accounts.

    However, well-informed sources told Dawn that the government, fearing backlash from cricketing circles over imposing ad hoc in a democratic set-up, was more inclined to continue with the same PCB set-up with only a new chairman in place.

    A former Test cricketer and director of a leading business group in the country, Ijaz Butt is a member of the PCB Governing Board and is an experienced official with a clean reputation. His appointment, if made, will be in line with the demands of several former cricketers like Javed Miandad, Zaheer Abbas and Abdul Qadir who have requested the government to bring in a former Test player as PCB chief.

    Ijaz also served as secretary of the Board of Control of Cricket in Pakistan (BCCP) in 1987, the year Pakistan hosted the Cricket World Cup jointly with India.

  53. #53 by khansahab on August 21, 2008 - 10:07 AM

    Does Ijaz Butt have any relation to Salman Butt?

  54. #54 by khansahab on August 21, 2008 - 10:20 AM

    Many of Musharraf’s critics were saying these terrorist attacks would cease once Musharraf is removed from power. However the nation has seen plenty of chaos since the exit of the President. Today there has been a blast in Taxila, near the capital.

    This seems to suggest two things 1) The motivation behind these attacks is/was not to remove Musharraf as President and 2) Musharraf/Army is not behind these attacks as neither the Army nor the President are in power now.

  55. #55 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 21, 2008 - 1:02 PM

    khansahab

    Whether Ijaz Butt is related to Salman’s right butt or left butt, does it matter? The only butt that matter is J’Lo’s butt which is insured $500 million a piece.

    What I don’t understand is, if a person is forced to retire from a government department at the age of 60 (some of the big commercial organizations also have 60 as the retiring age) then why TF a 70 year old guy is appointed as the Chairman of the PCB? Mind you the PCB is the richest semi-government organization in the country and it is one of the most complex and competent jobs to handle and you give it to a 70 year old “Butt Case”? Thats only because he is an ex-cricketer or is it because he is a Sialkotian Butt?

    Ijaz Butt was a mediocre player, if assigning the job only to an ex-cricketer is a prerequisite then, why not give that job to Hanif Mohammad? Or realistically speaking his younger brother Mushtaq Mohammad. I think you need to be a Sialkotian to qualify and Mohammad brothers are disqualified on that basis.

    As regards the blast in Wah Cantt like khansahab has said: Who is it against now? Musharaf has gone and the Army chief Gen. Kiyani is from Gujjar Khan, Punjab and reportedly he is well respected and the two crooks running the show are elected by a broad based group of crooks, so who is it against now? Against the ideology of Pakistan or, against the people of Pakistan?

    Whatever it is, the blast is not a good thing to have happened for us “cricket lovers” especially because the decision on Sunday about CT will not be in Pakistan, now it is a mere formality and I think the CT will be postponed and will be relocated to a new country and thats a shame.

  56. #56 by khansahab on August 22, 2008 - 10:36 AM

    I watched Zaheer Abbas’ interview today and I was disappointed. Zaheer has always disappointed me because of his dull and incompetent commentary and generally dull and uninspiring personality (some people may say he is a bit of an idiot).

    When asked about Shoaib Actor’s attitude and temper problem, he tried to justify it by saying, “Every fast bowler has a temper problem”. Basically Zaheer was totally against DNA and the reasons why DNA was appointed.

    When asked about the controversy about Shoaib hitting Asif, I couldn’t believe Zaheer would say this, but he did: “The PCB needs to punish the person who stirred Shoaib’s temper and we know it is not Asif or Shoaib, it is a third person. This person is playing internal politics and he needs to be punished.” Zaheer didn’t mention Afridi’s name, but he said this sentence in a very sinister way and maybe he has a grudge against Afridi.

    He also blasted the current trend of regional cricket competitions and said that departmental cricket needs to be resurrected. DNA was in favour of regional cricket competitions because it helps to unravel talent from minority areas (Sindh, NWFP and Baluchistan) more than departmental cricket does. Regional cricket was also promoted by DNA because naturally it strengthens cricket in the regions. However some people complain mediocre players are being promoted from Sindh and NWFP whereas good players from Punjab are being neglected because of this new development. People also complain that departmental cricket produced players like Wasim, Waqar, Saeed Anwar, Moin Khan etc etc, whereas regional cricket is not producing quality players.

    When asked about the technocrats vs bureaucrats questions, Zaheer was totally against people like DNA and said that Pakistan cricket will be destroyed if cricketers don’t run cricket boards. He seems to have forgotten that most cricket boards in the world are run by bureaucrats and he also seems to have forgotten that someone competent like Ramiz Raja was made Chairman of PCB, but could not handle the pressures of the job and resigned.

    A Zaheer Abbas fan called “Taraq Malak” from Bahawalpur phoned and spoke to Zaheer. in his opinion Pakistan has only produced 4 great players- Imran Khan, Wasim, Waqar and Zaheer. He also blasted the previous set up of DNA as Chairman of the Board and urged Zaheer to become the new Chairman.

    Throughout the interview Zaheer kept giving hints and tips how to manage the Board. He seems very keen to take up the Chairman’s job, however too bad it’s going to Ijaz Butt.

  57. #57 by khansahab on August 22, 2008 - 12:21 PM

    Ashraf bids adieu as PCB chief

    Nasim Ashraf on Friday took his final bow as Chairman of Pakistan Cricket Board in a farewell at the PCB headquarters at the Gaddafi stadium in Lahore.

    Ashraf met all the PCB employees and in a brief statement thanked the media and cricket fans for their support in the last two years.

    Ashraf said he along with his colleagues worked towards the betterment of the game.

    “I know some of our results have not been very good and I admit some mistakes might have been made by us but all the time our main interest was the betterment of Pakistan (cricket) and we had no other motive in mind,” Ashraf said.

    Ashraf sent his resignation to the President’s secretariat hours after Pervez Musharraf stepped down as President of the country.

    Ashraf, who was appointed PCB chief by Musharraf, made it clear that he would not reverse his decision to resign.

    “I have enjoyed every moment of leading my team but my decision is final,” he said.

    Interestingly, former Test player Ejaz Butt, who is being tipped to take over as PCB chairman, was also present at the farewell despite his publicised differences with Ashraf and the PCB over some key issues.

    Butt, sources say, is a leading candidate as he is very close to Defence Minister Chaudhary Mukhtar who is a powerful figure in the government. But because of his age – 70 – Ejaz is seen as someone who would not be an ideal long run choice.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2008 - 1:54 PM

    SOUTH AFRICA HAS OFFICIALLY PULLED OUT OF CHAMPIONS TROPHY

    This is the beginning of a new era in cricket. There would be far reaching implications and repercussions to this decision and not only the CT or the 2011 World Cup but it will affect beyond that.

    With SA pulling out of CT, most people might think that it would be very bad for cricket because, other countries will follow the suit now i.e., Australia, England and New Zealand who are already making too much noise. I would see it as a blessing in disguise for India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka to show them the power they have by going ahead and playing the CT like they did during the Asia Cup in Pakistan and may be ask the ICC to include Zimbabwe and Kenya in the tournament.

    West Indies needs to decide whether they would like to remain slaves of their White Masters or stay on equal footings and get mutual respect from the Asian Block. By using the word Asian Block, it may sound like we are creating some kind of a racist block, but the fact is there is already an Asian Block because, these white nations have openly and blatantly used their “White Aces” against other black and brown nations. The way Zimbabwe cricket team is being treated is an example of what they have done to them.

    In the past South Africa was boycotted by most nations because of their open racism against the blacks and the apartheid movement. It was an official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced by the South Africans, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites. Now, it is not official and they have disguised and camouflaged their policies yet their attitude has not changed. Like they say, “You cannot take away the spots from a leopard” is so true and they will continue to do this to show their white supremacy and will gather the momentum for white brotherhood.

    Its a shame that Gramme Smith & Co., when they won the test and ODI series in Pakistan last year, they were very happy and satisfied. And during that time nothing happened, they praised the security. Even during the Asia Cup nothing happened the tournament was staged successfully yet these rogue players create dirty politics only because they get bored after the match and their evenings are dull and boring, as they cannot find booze and girls in Pakistan like they do in other countries.

    On ZAHEER ABBASS

    As a very young cricket enthusiast I used to wait impatiently near the transistor radio to listen to the commentary on the BBC especially when Zaheer Abbass used to come and play. I vaguely remember the two double test hundreds that he made in England against England. For me he was like a hero, especially the way the British commentators used to call him Zaaaaaahiiiirrrrrrrrrr.

    Last time I was in Dubai and I met Zaheer Abbass and we had a one to one chat, he was such a big disappointment that he shattered his previous image I had about him. I am not talking about his poor English or bad accent, which we all know from his TV commentary and course it reflects his uncouthness and his paindoism. But I am talking about his trivial thinking and way he sees life in general and the way he shows his ambition towards making money was extremely pathetic. He was just like any other paindoo and also a very biased person. Although he grew up in Karachi and played for Karachi Blues, PWD Sindh and PIA, but he openly says that since he is from Sialkot he has that Punjabi blood in him that makes him more loyal to Punjab. Strange enough there is no mention of Pakistan – but Punjab.

    He announced his retirement from test cricket in 1985-86 but, he wanted to play for ODI’s and Imran did not allow that. Since then Zaheer feels bitter against Imran and in a few of his previous interviews he mentioned Imran’s name and vowed that he deserved a better farewell than what he received. But who is to be blamed for that? No one but Zaheer himself because he opted out of the test against SL on poor form and then never got selected.

    khansahab, in Punjabi there is an expression which suits them and reinforces their paindooism to the dot, and the expression is: “Jithay dee khoti uthay aan khaloti” Tay, Sialkhotiyaan fir Khotiyaan hondi, what else do you expect from a Sialkotian? And btw, I am not kidding in Chakwal District there is a Tehsil called “Khotiyaan” you should find out more about it to know why they call it Khotiyaan?

  59. #59 by Zain on August 22, 2008 - 3:10 PM

    Javed Khan and Khansaheb you guys are right about Zahir Abbass that he is a biased person. Yes he lived and grew up in Karachi, his cricket career flourished from Karachi and he never talks about Karachi or Pakistan but always about his birth place Sialkot and motherland Punjab. He favours the Punjabi players and always praise Shoaib Akhtar. The temper he is talking about is nothing but a farce, who doesn’t have a temper? Why should it be restricted to fast bowlers only? Any Tom, Dick and Harry can have temper but when you come to play cricket keep that temper in your trash can at home and treat others with respect. If one agrees for argument sake that fast bowlers have a temper then Shoaib Akhtar is rude, arrogant, ugly to the extent of being filthy and abusive which is not just temper. So, whoever supports him belongs to the same category.

    It is also true that Zahir Abbass hates Imran Khan for ending his career when he wasn’t playing well and and he blames Imran for that but he cannot deny the fact that Imran was a true Champion. As an individual Zahir has no morals fortunately for Pakistan cricket and unfortunately for him that betting in cricket was not flourishing during his times otherwise he would have been another Wasim Akram. His personal and marital life is a total mess and not many people know about that. Same goes with Wasim Akram. But, they all try to pick up Javed Miandad for his son’s marriage with the daughter of Dawood Ebrahim. And that is because Javed Miandad’s record is better than Zahir’s.

  60. #60 by Rehan Khan on August 22, 2008 - 4:16 PM

    interesting views about zaheer abbas guys. btw i heard he has been divorced. is this true? i just heard from a friend, for some reason never saw it appear on media. it may just be a rumour.

    maybe kasim sahab, javed or munir might know.

    about musharraf resignation…..yeh toh hona hi tha. i dont have any hope with the criminals ruling the country. in ki maa ki…………. 🙂

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2008 - 6:37 PM

    Rehan Khan

    Its not a rumour its a fact his first wife was a very decent and a very graceful person, reportedly he has married an Indian Sikh lady – whether he is married or not is not confirmed – and he is seen with this Sikh lady in the UAE whenever he visits. Its been a long time now and its perhaps one of those things happen to some people when they become famous they want to enjoy a glamourous life like Asif and Akhtar. Abbass’s time was different and he did what Azharuddin, Mohsin Khan etc., did. Even our Baby Malak did – married an Indian girl and then denied that he never married. The Show-Actor says, ‘when there is plenty of milk and beef you don’t need to buy a cow.’

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2008 - 8:13 PM

    BIGGEST POLITICAL JOKE OF THE CENTURY

    Zardari nominated to be the President of Pakistan.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7575958.stm

    The above link is from the BBC and it confirms the news that ASAF CHOR-DARI …….. B.C. M.F. P.hd 10% …..has been nominated by the crooks of Pakistan to be the President of Pakistan.

    If the people of Pakistan accept him over Gen. Pervez Musharaf as President of Pakistan, then they should also change the name of the country from Pakistan to Crook-istan, Chor-istan or Dakoo-istan.

    How can they tolerate such a crooked bastard to be the leader of the country? Don’t they feel ashamed? He is the same MF who looted the country openly and blatantly and you make him the President of the country?

    Its a very shameful day in the history of Pakistan. Its not a surprise that it has happened, we all knew that this was going to happen. Still the shock and awe among those who detest him is very obvious.

    Where are the educated and honest people of Pakistan? What happened to them? People wake up and get this MF bastard out and put him where he belongs – JAIL.

  63. #63 by abdul on August 23, 2008 - 9:44 AM

    It was so dissapointing to see cricket Southafrica pulling out of the champions trophy to be scheduled in Pakistan. I’m still hoping it goes ahead despite the concerns of other cricket boards.

    Here is an extract from cricinfo:

    Where they stand

    Cricket Australia: “We have considerable reservations … The security advice does not give us any great encouragement”
    Australian Cricketers’ Association: “Our position is we can’t recommend to our players they should tour Pakistan”
    ECB: “We have got some more meetings to go through and we need to get all the information we can get on the situation before a final decision is taken”
    Professional Cricketers’ Association (England): “We’ve still got some very serious concerns, despite the fact that the PCB have made every effort they can to try to make it as safe as possible”
    BCCI: “We are supporting Pakistan as the venue of the Champions Trophy. Our Indian team had taken part in the Asia Cup without any incident”
    New Zealand Cricket Players Association: “They (security plans) are the best we’ve ever seen for cricket. But the fact is they are unproven and we don’t know if the plans can be delivered. We need to see them demonstrated”
    Sri Lanka Cricket: “We are prepared to host the tournament, if needed. (But) It should go ahead as scheduled in Pakistan”
    West Indies Cricket Board: “At this stage one has to be very careful with the players’ safety and what each country has put in place for their team’s well being”

    I would like to emphasise on the Indian statement over the Asia cup which was only held shortly ago the security was perfect without any incidents. I hope this peice of evidence encourages other countries of going to the champions trophy. However if the situation would get any worse I would like the PCB to allow Srilanka to host the tournament and Pakistan to quite happily hold the next one. But still I hope it going according to schedule in the great country.

  64. #64 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on August 23, 2008 - 10:20 AM

    I was on vacation 4 a few weeks but its good to see the blog is active and lively as always. Throughout my vacation whenever I got time, I managed to read it but was unable to write due to shortage of time. Its a shame if Pakistan cannot hold champions trophy in Pakistan. It is good to see India is supporting Pakistan’s cause and backing us throughout. Pakistan’s political situation is to be blamed for this, because now there should be no reason for political unrest as the politicians got what they wanted so the people should settle down and let us enjoy cricket in Pakistan. Majority of the people in Pakistan love cricket and they want to be busy watching cricket and not to be on the streets for political demonstrations like a few miscreants. I was unable to see the India – Sri Lanka matches but, I am updated through computer. Its good to see India putting up a fight in the ODI series which is tied 1-1 now.

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 23, 2008 - 5:40 PM

    Yesterday, after my writing those comments on the political situation in Pakistan the number of hits on the website started to rise like the mercury shooting up in the middle of a desert on a hot July afternoon and recorded a high of over 1000 hits. I wonder what was that for?

    Today, I would like to restrict my comments on cricket only and especially in view of the third ODI between India and Sri Lanka. The Lankans are boasting about their past performance and records at Premadasa Stadium but, what they need to do is focus on the game rather than live in the glory of their past. The Indians need to break the shackles that Mendis has laid on them and Gambhir is back and must open with Kohli and not Pathan. Badrinath is a good find and he showed his temperament against the duo of m&m and played well with Dhoni to record a win in the second ODI.

    If India wins the toss they must bat first, although Dhoni did not believe in that and opted to field in the first ODI however, at Premadasa things would be different than Dambulla as the wicket is hard and bouncy and team batting first would be at advantage.

    I hope India is not making any changes in the team in case of an early wicket they should send Yuvraj at number 3 ahead of Raina and he might be able to score freely before Mendis takes over and the first 20 overs are very crucial if they are able to put on 100 plus then they are in the game and Dhoni should also play at the same number he played last time. Records are meant to be broken and India can certainly kill the cat if they go off on a flying start with Gambhir and then Yuvraj.

    Tomorrow the ICC will give their verdict on the CT whether they are changing the venue or the game is on? Right now no one knows which side the camel will sit and its a 50-50 kinda situation because of India’s open support to Pakistan. Bravo India.

    The other good news is those filthy, wiggly, dirty Hair is down the drain and finally we ALL got rid of him. The expression in Farsi or Persian is a befitting one for his exit. “Khass Kumm Jehan Paak.” Like, Good Riddance.

  66. #66 by Mohammed Munir on August 24, 2008 - 8:04 AM

    Be it Cricket, Democracy, Politics or whatever … as a nation we are going down … and the freefall continues as we have not hit the bottom yet !!

    It’s painful.

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2008 - 12:52 PM

    Champions Trophy postponed till October 2009.

    Is anyone surprised? I don’t think so. Who are to be blamed? The political mafia.

    India has managed to score 237 in this day and night outing and it may not look decent enough to defend, but a victory for India is possible.

    The stage was set as I said, India to bat first and they did, Yuvraj to come at number 3 in case of an early wicket and he did. Gambhir was unlucky to be given out like that but c’est la vie. And, Yuvraj’s lady luck smiled at him only in that 3 day match. Only Mendis’s lady luck is behind him all the time. Today he gave away 55 runs in 9 overs and only one wicket but in his last over or the penultimate over of the match he got two important wickets of Dhoni and Harbhajjan who could have easily taken the Indian total to 250 but, he got them in two successive deliveries and unlucky to miss a hat-trick.

    If India can get Jayasriya early who has so far scored only 23 runs in two matches they can put brakes and the next hurdle would be Sangakara and Jayawardene if they grab these three wickets during the power play then the process would be long and enduring for SL and the match would be very interesting. Lets see how it unfolds as the SL batsmen are about to come out and play, its an early morning here and my lazy Sunday morning will not be so lazy after all because I am up early for this day and night match.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2008 - 1:43 PM

    Virot Kohli must be a relieved person after dropping Jayasuriya on the last ball of Praveen Kumar’s second over but, Kumar came back well in his third over and got Jayasuriya on the first ball.

    Earlier it was Kohli’s mistake that he was sitting on his knees when the powerful shot from Jayasuriya’s bat went through his hands which were above his head and went off for a four. that is inexperience of Kohli. When you are fielding so far away from the batsmen, almost at the top of the circle you should not be sitting or kneeling, but standing alert on your toes.

    Like I said the wickets taken during the power play would be very crucial in sealing the fate of the match that will be the key and, Zaheer Khan struck once again against Sangakara and got him trapped plumb in front of the wicket. Right now Maheela and KapuraGurda are at the crease and lets see what happens next.

  69. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2008 - 2:05 PM

    Two more wickets have fallen in quick succession, both Chamaras have gone cheaply and India are on the top. I was talking about first 20 overs but, India have achieved that in the first 10 overs and SL are 41 for 4 and the pressure is on them. Both Zaheer and Kumar bowled very well and got 2 wickets each.

    With Waqar YounAss in the commentary box with ToAny Grieg its interesting to listen to their comments especially Pra Waqqa’s.

  70. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2008 - 2:47 PM

    Waqar Younus was a great bowler and as a commentator he is a great entertainer. When Tony Grieg asked him to comment on the postponement of CT in Pakistan, he showed where his loyalties are – Australian wife, land and house in Australia i.e., where he lives – and needs to show to the Australians that he is with them.

    He said, “I am with thaaa ICC becazzzzaaa aftaa aaal itssaaa game of cricket anddaaa I thinkkkaa the players are rightttaaa in refusing to play for the riskaa andddaaa its nottaa worthaa.”

    As if the risk will not be there next year. The point is, cricket players, grounds, hotels wherever these players and officials go is very well protected by the security and players have never been a target by any group be it political or whatever. Therefore, to say that there is a risk is an exaggeration. Yes, the political situation is bad, but cricketers are not effected by that.

    Two more wickets have gone down, Munna Bhai Patel got one and Bhajji got the other and India is ON THE TOP now with SL now 61 for 6 in 19 overs. Zaheer Khan bowled well with 6 – 2 – 13 – 2 whereas, Kumar gave away 37 runs in the same number of overs also got 2 wickets without any maiden over.

    Like I said, records are created only to be broken and India is proving that Sri Lanka is not invincible in Premadasa. So far only Jayawardene is playing a defiant innings on his favourite ground but I doubt he can reverse the damage that has caused 171 runs in 31 overs with the tail exposed is not an easy task for the skipper. Bhajji is spinning the ball well and anytime he can get another wicket.

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2008 - 4:55 PM

    Despite Jayawardene’s defiant knock of 94, India comfortably won the match by 33 runs. Good bowling by Zaheer Khan and he should be the man of the match again. Because, not only he took two early wickets but also got rid of the well set Kulasekara when he was going good with Jayawardene that applied the breaks to the SL march. Had SL won this match which was not possible then definitely Maleha Jayawardene would have been the man of the match. Now its between Dhoni and Zaheer Khan, I guess they might give it to Dhoni, in any case Zaheer Khan should aim for Man of The Series award.

    Well done India.

  72. #72 by Amit. P on August 24, 2008 - 7:22 PM

    Well guys … am quite late on this thread … even havent read out whats written in this thread.
    It is sad for pakistani cricket lovers that CT has been postponed but i think its the middle way that ICC have found. It was apparent that no “white” teams were enthusiastic ab’t playing in CT here .. and it wud have been another asia cup in pak. But i am curious ab’t the left schedule … are we going to witness another tri-series involving india-pak-SL ? BCCI just cant leave this whole one month … they will try to cash it anyway. Any guesses ?

    I saw today’s game in bits and pieces … zaheer bowled beautifully …. troubled mahela for two consecutive overs. Munaf was good too .. though i believe he can bowl much faster than what he was bowling today. Its tailor made pitch for munaf like bowlers …. he shud try to cash it as much as he can. Praveen kumar was reckless … and he is getting consistent in this department.

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 25, 2008 - 2:40 AM

    Amit

    nice to see you back after a big gap, I wonder where the other regulars are? I think its a good idea to play a tri-series in lieu of CT but, the problem is whether they will consider playing inRamadan? Because, CT was scheduled long time ago not many thought about Ramadan or they had no choice because of the ICC pressure only Mohammad Yousuf opted out of it and I have a feeling that most of them will not agree to play in Ramadan. However, there shouldn’t be a problem if it is a day and night encounter because, that wouldn’t be bad. But, I doubt the Boards will agree to play to make use of this time.

    Regarding India’s win today and MOM award, I was right about Dhoni winning the MOM award because he made the difference in playing that anchor role. You are right about Munna Bhai Patel’s fast off-spins, even Tony Greg was talking about his speed. I was laughing at his controlled aggression at Kohli when he dropped Murali and, Munaf for some reason did not abuse him but, he started to laugh when he clean bowled Murali in the same over. Munaf is known to start MC, BC when someone misfield at his bowling and dropped catch per tou na poocho he opens the Sarak Chaap edition of Tapori Dictionary.

  74. #74 by Amit. P on August 25, 2008 - 3:49 PM

    Javed,

    I was thinking on the line of playing a tri-series(ind-pak-SL) somewhere out of Asia like toronto (for player and viewer’s sake )…. but u rightly remind me of ramdan …. this wud put constraint that all matches shud be DN … and i suspect if neutral venues have floodlight facilities. So most likely, if this tri-series happens, india will host it.

    Oh, i missed that part where kohli dropping catch of munaf bowling. It must be hilarious. It is somewhat unusual for baroda or mumbai guy to utter MC BC so frequently … if he was from UP then it wud not be surprising. Praveen kumar is of his league but somehow he keeps his mouth shut but cant control his disgusting expressions. Other guy i remember was nehra …. he inherited proper delhi’s bad mouthing culture. Its not only uttering these words (most indian bowler’s used to) .. but it is the way that is so hilarious.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2008 - 2:21 AM

    Amit

    Toronto is out of question now because of the weather. This year its been raining a lot in this part of the world and now its getting cold especially for the new bees from the sub-continent these temperatures are freezing cold for them. One of my friends from Dubai was here and was asking for a jacket whereas, I was wearing a half sleeve cotton short. From now the weather here will not be any warm.

    Regarding Nehra, I am not sure if I have mentioned this before. I have a DVD of Ahmadabad ODI in which Inzi scored a 4 on the last ball of Tendulkar. In that match, Nehra was bowling earlier to Shahid Afridi and bowls a wide one Afridi lets it go, Nehra asked him why he didn’t hit? Afridi showed a gesture to Nehra something like, “Abay jaa” and the next ball Afridi flashed hard and the outside went past between Dravid and Dhoni. At that time Dhoni was new and Nehra was more senior and Nehra said, “Dhoni… M. ke. Ch. tumharee B. C. tumko seedhi, seedhi catch pakarni nahee aati?” Its so clear on this DVD that anyone can hear it. I do remember watching this match live but somehow Nehra’s voice wasn’t heard. Perhaps this recording is from some other TV channel and the camera was well focused on Nehra’s face and it has those microphones well placed that picked up his jewels very clearly. I doubt Nehra (if at all he plays for India now) will have the guts to say that to Dhoni.

    Right now on PakSpin the “Gora Mafaia” is spitting venom against Pakistan on the new thread about the so-called postponement of the CT. I would invite them here especially Martin Hooker, Miska Mocha and that Mackenshaw from the City of Fines, Singapore to come here and discuss it with us without the restriction of 1000 characters.

  76. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2008 - 3:42 AM

    PAKISTAN COALITION IN MAJOR SPLIT

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7580931.stm

    This was bound to happen because, a Prostitute and a Pimp cannot be in the same bed and spend the night together.

    I am sure you must be wondering who is the whore and who is the pimp?

    By definition and job description, a pimp finds and manages clients for prostitutes and engages them in prostitution (in brothels in most cases and some cases street prostitution) in order to profit from their earnings.

    Typically and technically or should I say politically, a pimp will not force prostitutes to stay with him, although some have been known to be abusive in order to keep his prostitutes submissive or to maximize profits. A pimp may also offer to protect his prostitutes from rival pimps and prostitutes, or from abusive clients. He can also enable a prostitute to work in a particular area under his control.

    Pimping is illegal in many countries, in Pakistan too it is especially if the meaning and definition of a pimp is not changed but, it can be absolutely legal if the functions and job description of a pimp remains the same, then he can be seen at the very top level and in today’s government he can be at the highest level such as holding the Presidential post.

    Most people who work managing prostitutes are men, but some women work in this capacity as well, unfortunately one ended her life under very unfortunate circumstances and her successor changed jobs. She also left a few disciples who are as cute and as sweet as “cherries and berries and as intoxicating as Sherry.” Women are rarely called pimps, as the word implies male dominance – a woman who manages prostitutes is generally called a mamasan or a madam in English or, a Bai or a Begum in Hindi and Urdu. This should not be confused with the title of respect given to adult women in most countries.

    The pimp who has deserted his prostitute wants to keep the Judges behind the bars and he does not want to reinstate them because he fears that if all the judges sacked earlier may invalidate an amnesty that paved the way for the pimp to get into the country last year. Therefore, he is not willing to reinstate them. Its called politics the pimping way!

    There is this catch 22 situation here, in Urdu its called “Saanp kay moo may chachoonder” i.e., the snake catches a mole assuming it to be a mice, but he cannot swallow it as he hates moles, but won’t let it go because thats his nature not to let it go. Therefore, the mole is stuck in the snake’s mouth.

    Reinstate the judges you go out – rather go inside (in the jail). Keep the judges inside, keep the whore away and keep the power intact rule the country. And then, look in to the eyes of the not so bald prostitute and ask, what agreement? What promise? What Coalition? Get the effff out of here, go back to KSA and eat Nihari, butter chicken & Shab Degh.

    The whore must be cursing at herself for the wrong choice of a pimp. Should have made a deal directly with the pimp in power? That was too much against pride and vanity because he once screwed this whore to give a taste of his own medicine and sent him to “kala – paani.”

    I think Bollywood should make a movie on this and it will be a big hit. And why not? Already these MF’s have made the country a laughing stock so why not see it on a big screen?

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2008 - 12:36 PM

    Amit

    There is a news today on cricinfo that Pakistan may hope to fill in the gap (by using a tampon) created by the postponement of CT by playing a tri-series in SA and invite India.

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/iccct2008/content/current/story/366171.html

    Hear, hear, hear Pakistanis and especially the PCB have no self respect and self esteem. The South Africans were the first to refuse to come and play in Pakistan and the PCB decides to go there after they have been kicked in their Butt and ask them to screw them hard so that they fill in the void that has been created. How can they even think of that?

    If someone refuses to come to my house on the pretext that the sky will fall, I will say OK you stay there, we will come to your place, how ridiculous? I don’t know whats happening to these people. This reminds me of Ahmad Faraz’s poetry, he said:

    Apnay ansoo apni aakhaon may rehain tou Mehr-o-Mah
    Gir kay duniya ki nazraon may aabroo paye tou kya?

    These people are not only crying but also carrying a “Kash-Kole” with them and begging from the very same people who refused and rejected them to screw them again!

  78. #78 by khansahab on August 26, 2008 - 2:18 PM

    In a recent interview Imran Khan has stated that Musharraf is the reason why there is turmoil in the country and why the CT has been postponed. Imran has also said that it is “understandable” why teams don’t want to play in Pakistan because the situation is far from safe.

    His criticism of Musharraf aside, Imran being such a famous personality shouldn’t demean Pakistan like this. If the situation was unsafe how come the Asia Cup was played without any problems and how come the South Africans played without any bother from the terrorists? If there is anyone I thought who would wholeheartedly support CT being played in Pakistan at the moment, it would be Imran.

    However the Imran who made these remarks is not the same Imran who was renowned for his principles and honesty. This Imran is a politician (although an unsuccessful one) and his first priority is to criticise and show differences with his enemies, rather than speak without bias. After being so strongly opposed to Musharraf that he formed a temporary alliance with Nawaz Sharif and Zardari, two people he used to speak so vehemently against, Imran cannot afford to admit Pakistan is safe for a major international cricket event, because saying that would mean there is some stability and order in the country.

    I think Zardari and Nawaz deserve slaps on their faces for their false promises and declarations. Musharraf is gone but the terrorist attacks have not stopped, and the CT has been postponed causing the PCB great harm and worsening the already afflicted morale of Pakistanis.

    Younis Khan has given a recent interview and has said he is fully behind Malik. He has condemned Malik’s opposers and has said that these were the very people who were supporting Malik earlier on. Younis is a team man and he has always stood behind Shoaib Akhtar and Malik. However Shoaib recently spoke against Younis (this was discussed here on LS) and I am sure Malik will also stab Younis in the back soon one way or the other. Younis also said that the new Chairman of the PCB should have management experience.

    About Zardari being the new President of Pakistan, it is a shame. What a pity a crook and gansgter will be the most powerful man in the country, which he already is actually being the Chairman of the majority party in Parliament. MQM and ANP are supporting Zardari for President and it seems both these parties may get some seats in the central government. This is unless Nawaz Sharif has a change of heart and returns to the Coalition.

  79. #79 by Amit. P on August 26, 2008 - 3:53 PM

    Javed,

    I wud suggest pcb to go for Abu dhabi … and bring Aus, SA, Ind, SL … play a pentagular series there …. pcb need to act urgently and they have to make sure that their team play on consistent basis with all the test playing nations. They should not act as a depressed fan …. infact they have every rite to force any team to play on neutral venues.
    All these bombings and attacks will die down its own way … but during this period pak team cant afford to play with only selective teams. We were all showing our affection to NDA that he faced unwanted problems in his tenure .. now think ab’t this new pcb head … his problems are of order of magnitude higher than NDA. We need to support this man.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2008 - 6:40 PM

    Amit

    I understand your point of view about keeping the Pakistani team busy playing cricket with other countries at neutral venues. Abu Dhabi, I am not so sure its a good venue, even Sharjah is better than that. But, the whole point is about too much hype and concern. If playing on one location is OK, then whats wrong with Karachi? That venue could be even more safe if all the matches are played only in Karachi. They can beef up the security and Karachiites are more famous for showing their hospitality towards foreign teams. Like Khansahab has said, if Asia Cup can be played or, last October SA could play a full series without any problem then whats wrong now?

    The political unrest will continue in Pakistan and its sad to see that an educated person like Imran Khan is also involved in cheap antics only to polish his political apple. Do you think he will get support from the educated people of Pakistan for blabbing out what he blabbed? I doubt it.

    Musharaf and DNA are both out, but neither the disturbances in the country nor the stupidities of the PCB will come to an end. This fellow Shafqat Naghmi is the same person who was croaking before and he is croaking now.

  81. #81 by Rohit on August 26, 2008 - 10:42 PM

    well from indian point of view, some disappointment for match being washed away. so far good bowling by indian pacers particularly zaheer. now what we need is some consistency. also indian team is prone to being complacent, they must keep momentum. a win this ODI series will do them some good.
    from batting side, good to see raina coming back into form. he has the potential to become a good ODI player, just needs confidence and support from captain and coach. i suppose the best thing about sunday’s match was indians playing mendis a bit more comfortably……that is a good sign.

    from the pakistan perspective, i am one of those who believe pakistan is safe for cricket. of course i dont know that much about Pakistan and my thoughts will always be from an “outsider” point of view…….but pakistanis are cricket loving people and also hospitable. the bomb blasts seem to have political motivations so i dont think cricketers lives are at risk. the situation looks sad and we may never see this CT in pakistan even next year.

    about a tri series being arranged, some cricket is better than no cricket at all. PCB should go for it, doesnt matter where it is played. more important is pakistani team needs to play matches otherwise it will continue to decline.

  82. #82 by abdul on August 27, 2008 - 10:25 AM

    Breaking news: Pakistani and Sussex legendary leg spinner Mushtaq Ahmed has retired from county cricket following an ongoing knee injury which forced the 38 year old to quit. Mushsy has been a formidable player both for county and contry. His efforts have been admirable and the impact and influence he makes whenever he plays has been formidable. He was a true magican with the ball capturing many wickets with thoose leg breaks and googlies and was a highly skillful operator. Mushy was a key player in the 1992 wc and a key member of Imran’s troops and was instrumental in the dominance of Pakistan cricket in the 1990’s and also was supreme in Sussex’s remarkable successul achievments in the last five getting 100 wickets a season on many occasions and bambozling many batsmen with his mysterious leg spin.Sussex won 3 championships in the last 5 years and I very much doubt without Mushy’s presence they will have been able to achive such a landmark and evidence of that is being shown this year. So all tributes to Mushtaq a great bowler and a great individual who will be missed from the game.

  83. #83 by abdul on August 27, 2008 - 10:30 AM

    What a start to kP’s captaincy a test match victory and now 2 odi victories against the cunning proateas the secound best odi side in the world. And yesterdays victory was more than convincing a margin of 10 wickets. Is this a start of an exciting new era under the leadership of the flamboyant Kevin Pieterson ?

    And another thing to add to the Mushtaq Ahmed tribute as said by his skipper Chris Adams probably the greatest overseas player in county cricket and from a personal prespective I rate the man as the greatest spinner Pakistan has had though Kaneria is catching up.

  84. #84 by khansahab on August 27, 2008 - 10:56 AM

    Abdul

    Mushtaq Ahmed was one of the best spinners to play for Pakistan and it is sad to see him retire from County cricket. I wouldn’t say Mushtaq was better than Qadir, Warne or even Kumble perhaps, but he was a very good bowler in his own right.
    We don’t know if Kaneria’s career is over now and it’s hard to say if Mushtaq Ahmed was better than Kaneria in his prime. Both of them haven’t been at their best for some years now. If you compare their records, Mushy has a bowling average of 33 and strike rate of 68 whereas Kaneria has an average of 34 and strike rate of 68, too. So it’s a difficult question. However to be fair to Kaneria I would say he is slightly better than Mushtaq because Mushtaq had Rashid Latif and Moin Khan to support him who were both good keepers whereas Kaneria had to fare with Akmal for most of his career and we all know Akmal is a significant factor why Kaneria is not considered a great bowler anymore.

  85. #85 by khansahab on August 27, 2008 - 11:35 AM

    There you go, Nawaz Sharif may return to the Coalition if the Presidential election is postponed and judges are restored. These people have no integrity and will to serve the country. They are there just to make money and gain influence and clout. And we call them democratically elected leaders who will provide stability to the country? What a farce!

  86. #86 by Kunal Sabherwal on August 27, 2008 - 11:58 AM

    Should Yuvraj singh not be batting at no 6? Let Badrinath bat at no 3, this guy has patience. yuvraj is totally out of touch.

  87. #87 by Mohammed Munir on August 27, 2008 - 12:05 PM

    Khan Sahab …

    Your grasp on Pakistan politics is getting as good as your thorough knowledge on its cricket scene.

    Postponement of CT is bad for cricket fans as well as the game of cricket, but if I was to see any bit of positive out of this situation, then it would have been that at least it is postponed and not cancelled or even worst CT is not shifted to another country. Now that would have been really bad. Postponement is, I think, better then cancelled/ shifted. It seems that ICC tried to mediate and they came out with a lesser devil of the two.

    On the politics, the overall situation is worsening by the day or rather hour. The MQM and ANP supporting Zar-Dari is really sorry news as MQM was a very close associate of Pervez Musharraf and they were never in favour of PPP, however, now that Musharraf is out of the equation, MQM did not take long to change their loyalties. Seeing ANP siding with the Zar-Dari is even more painful as Asfandyar Wali was considered as a principled and honorable politician comparing to other lot.

    One thing is obvious by now that this guy Zar-Dari is a better Politian then Nawaz Sharif, MQM, ANP and Maulana Diesel and others, because the way he is ‘screwing’ them all and throwing them out of the window, after wiping his A$$, like a used toilet-paper is really crazy.

    Javed Khan …

    Pleasing Parodist story of a Pure Pimp and a Pathetic Prostitute, as it Perfectly Portrays Picture of Pakistani Politics.

    It was Punny reading ……

    My most heartfelt prayers for ‘maghfara’ of Mr. Ahmed Faraz.

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 27, 2008 - 2:35 PM

    Seems like SL will push over India and it is possible as long as JayaSuriya is playing he has scored 23 runs of Praveen Kumar’s previous 14 balls. He is attacking him by dancing down the track. He has already scored his 66th ODI fifty and just now pulled Munna Bhai Patel for a six.

    Earlier it was Dhoni and Raina who gave some respectability to the Indian total and I must add Kohli’s name too but, the rest have done nothing. Yuvraj looks a bit over weight to me. In fact he was looking very plumpish with all the pads and protective gears and he is not focused on the game, he only wants to go for big shots. Talking of big. Pra Waqqa was saying “This SangRakara has scored big size hundreds in the past” as if his hundreds are measured in inches or centimeters and I wonder why he calls him SangRakara? How about Ranjit Fernando calling him WaRqar?

  89. #89 by khansahab on August 27, 2008 - 2:40 PM

    LOL I came on the site to post a Waqar Younas blooper and saw Javed A Khan mentioning something about him!

    This is what Waqar said about Shoaib Akhtar some time ago:

    “He has been practising for a couple of two weeks.”

  90. #90 by Tauqeer Malik on August 27, 2008 - 3:10 PM

    jayawardane is run out now, series is sealed and india is the winner. congrats to indian fans on this site

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 27, 2008 - 3:42 PM

    Tide changes with time and now its in India’s favour and it seems all over for Sri Lanka the moment Jayasuriya was out. It was a good ploy from Dhoni to bring in Harbhajan to slow down the pace at which Jayasuriya was going and the first ball Bhajji bowled spun a lot and the second ball Jayasuriya tried to cut it past the slip fielder but only edged it to the lonely slip and Raina did a good job. Jayawardene was too slow and when he got run out, the last hopes of taking the match down to the wire faded and now it is 140/6 with Kula Shaking Vass or vice versa.

    I am off to work now and its good to see Munir and Tauqir back on the blog and I wonder where theossa is? Wouldn’t be difficult to find him in Natalie’s Aashram. Baba Awas where art thou? I hope Mr. Kasim is OK and in good health? Lets all pray for his good health.

    Take care guys ………… abdul, Mushy was just a mediocre leggy, I agree with khansahab that Kaneria is better because Akmal has let him down on many, many occasions.

  92. #92 by khansahab on August 27, 2008 - 11:15 PM

    Today my father’s friend came and brought a CD of a speech by Mohammad Yusuf Khan (popularly known as Dilip Kumar). This speech is about the Urdu language. This friend of my father was full of praise for the elegance and intelligence of Dilip Kumar and the fact that he has mastered the vocabulary and concept of a language which is not his mother tongue, which actually is Pashtu. This man, my father’s friend, is a poet and intellectual and said that although the words employed by Dilip are not the most intricate or esoteric, they have been used very appropriately and with considerable intelligence and dexterity.

    Following are two links for this speech that I recently found on Youtube. Although I don’t understand what is being said, I can sense it’s imbued with some genius.

    PART 1

    PART 2

  93. #93 by khansahab on August 27, 2008 - 11:26 PM

    Kunal Sabherwal

    Sir, I understand your rationale behind sending Yuvraj down the order, but the reason why he is kept at the top is because he is ordinary while playing spinners. Still, I feel when playing him at no 3 or 4 isn’t working, it’s best if he is pushed down temporarily although in the past it has proved to be futile.

    Jahanzeb Khan Niazi sahab

    Thanks for replying to my e-mail. I am really impressed by your passion for seeing a fair Pakistan free of the current evils that are destroying it. It was also interesting to know of your relation to Misbah ul Haq, which you have briefly touched upon on LS previously. Yes, I agree with you that he is a nice guy and I was also impressed by your unbiased attitude in saying that Misbah is not the best candidate for captaincy, even though you are related to him. On behalf of LS Management I would like to thank you for supporting us despite your hectic work schedule.

  94. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 28, 2008 - 1:41 AM

    khansahab

    you are absolutely right about Yusuf Bhai aka, Dilip Kumar that he has mastered the Urdu language despite the fact that it is not his mother tongue. There is an expression in Urdu, “Aati hai Urdu Zubaan, Aatay Aatay.” It means it takes time and effort to master it, anyone can learn it easily but to master is very difficult.

    I saw part 1 & 2 thanks for sharing. The way Yusuf Bhai was expressing his thoughts and translating them into spontaneous words was like a rivulet or a streamlet flowing from the mountains during the early spring days when the snow is melting and the water is still fresh and chilled and as it is flowing it is spreading fragrance into the valley. The beauty of his speech and the delivery of words ( which we call in Urdu, “lafzon ki adaigee” is impeccable ) in his spontaneous melodious sound is so exciting and yet so mellow that it touch your heart as it comes out from his heart and his soul.

    I have the honour of meeting him on a one to one basis in Dubai and also in Mumbai, for me it was an exhilarating experience which I can never forget, he is a living legend and I wonder how and who will fill that vacuum after him? He is so modest and so full of humility, that you rarely see a celebrity with such great characteristics and such humble attitude. I am his admirer not because he is also a Pathan but, because of his contribution to the industry.

  95. #95 by Amit. P on August 28, 2008 - 5:50 PM

    Khansahab,

    Thanx for posting those videos. Yusuf khan (aka dilip kumar) is one of those persona whom u never get tired of …. u always want a little more of him. After being in industry for so many years .. its no less than a great feat.

    Today we hear lots of talk ab’t “method acting” … but those who have witnessed him on screen in his era will tell u what this fuss is all about. There are many incidents which can tell u his love toward acting and characters. Reportedly when Vimal roy offered him the role of devdas .. he wasn’t sure of that character and after reading that novel he didnt like either … but he took the chance to portray him just because, for him it was a challenge to go into the psyche of a destructive guy whom he think shud behave differently. And as they say, rest is history.

    But he had to pay price for that daring … he was so submerged in that role that his own character getting conflicted by that and his personal life got fucked up … he then consulted a psychiatrist in London and remained under his supervision for a long time. This bit of news got into limelight after Gurudutt approached him for the lead role of movie Pyasa, that he politely refused it and told him the reason. Now i wonder if gurudutt had waited for a year or so and then casted him in pyasa .. wow!!! … whenever i think ab’t this situation i get goosebumps … just imagine a frame captured by gurudutt with ultra intense dilip kumar and one of the most revolting lyrics by sahir ludhiynavi


    …. jalaa do ise phoonk daalo ye duniya
    mere samane se hata lo ye duniya
    tumhari hai tum hi sambhalo ye duniya,
    ye duniya agar mil bhi jaye to kya ho

  96. #96 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2008 - 2:35 AM

    Vow Amit – you have said it about the Pyaasa song. MAN, It is one of the best of Mohammad Rafi’s high pitch songs, I love it. I know people might think we are old, but the fact is if you love Amir Khusro qawalli or Mozart music or Ghalib’s poetry that doesn’t define your age but, your taste.

    I ‘ve heard that Pyaasa song before on CD and lately our CBN TV channel which shows 24/7 cricket or golden hits (Indian songs) and in between waiting for the matches to start, very recently I ‘ve watched a few songs of Guru Dutt and not just that Pyaasa song but, a few more like:

    hum aapki ankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to
    hum moond ke palkon ko, is dil ko saza dein to.

    hum aapko khwabon mein, la – la – ke satayen-ge
    hum aapki ankhon se neendein hi chura lein to

    hum aapke kadmon mein gir jaayenge gash kha ke
    iss per bhi na hum apne anchal ki hava dein to

    This kinda poetry which is known as “Takraar” or argument, is also in one of Dilip Kumar and Vijayantimala’s movie called Leader which I saw recently and it is: Tere husn ki kya tareef keroon kuch kehtay howay bhee derta hoon kaheen bhool say tu na samajh baithay kay mai tujh say mohabat kerta hoon? And she goes on saying, ‘mere dil may kasak see hoti hai meray saamnay jab tu aata hai….. its so funny and yet so meaningful and melodious and it is any time better than:

    Hum tum ek kamray may bandh hon aur chaabi kho jai …….. Or,

    Dono kisi ko nazar nahee ayen …. Chall dariyaa may doob jain…. LOL.

    One of the serious songs of Geeta Dutt which I like is the opening song of Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam. I rate Geeta Dutt much above Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhonsle, because Geeta Dutt’s voice is more deep and it has more “Khannak” than the other two, in fact Lata’s voice is very nasal. She is exactly the opposite of Shamshad Begum, that lay kay pehla, pehla pyar bhar kay aankhon may khumar of CID.

    That opening song of Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam:

    Koi doooor say awaaaz day chalay aaao
    Chalay aaao, chalay aaaaao …..
    Raat, raat bhar intezar hai, dill dard say bayqaraar

    She has an amazing voice its a shame that she died young, even her Bhajans are so melodious that you cant ignore it by simply listening and just sitting around, you start grooving on the music, you tend to react unintentionally and interact harmoniously with pleasurable excitement. If I mention those Bhajan’s the Mullah types will condemn me for being a Kaafir. I would admit that Kaafir hoon par Mushrik nahee hoon mai. And I consider those Bhajans as melodious and a couple of them are:

    Raghupati ragawa rajaram sab ko anumati day bhagwan
    Ishwar Allah teray naam…..

    And …. Darshan do Ghansham naam, mori ankhiyaan pyasi ray!
    Jai Jagdish haray…….

    Among other songs of Geeta Dutt, a few are notable.
    Aye Dil mujhay bata de tu kis pay agaya hai
    Vo kaun hai jo aaker khawabaon pay chagaya hai

    Babu ji dheeray chalna, pyar may zara sambhalna.

    This one is hilarious and so fast, I don’t want to see the video because it will spoil that image my mind has created.

    Mera Naam Chin Chin Chu Baba Chin Chin Chu
    Raat Chandni Mai aur Tu, Hello Mister How Do you do?

    Right now, I am forgetting the Geeta Dutt wala Bhajan ………Please enlighten me by reminding me. I think I have mentioned that one before on this website because, Pakspin would have never allowed digressing that much. Although there was a thread on Qawalli and Reggae and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Bob Morley were discussed and that was just before the Caribbean World Cup.

  97. #97 by Mohammed Munir on August 29, 2008 - 10:18 AM

    Breaking News:

    Our National Captain and Cricketing Hero 😉 , Shoaib Malik, have accepted his deep-rooted “friendship” with the Indian sex-siren and ‘B-class-but-Hot’ actress Sayali Bhagat.

    Shoaib Malik said we are “just good friends”, while Sayali is heard talking about available schedule for the possible marriage dates.

    Now that is called some “Masalaa” with “Tirkaa” 😉

    First, I thought it may be ‘So-Aib Actor’ and may be Geo TV is mixing-up the names, but later it was confirmed that So-Aib Malak is also fond of ‘overseas pitches’.

    Now I leave the stage to Javed Khan and Khan Sahab to explore the matter further and give us more of ‘Saali’ Bhagat and Cuptaan Malak 😉

    Khan Sahab … Please open a new page in ‘Hot Gals’ for Sayali and Malak and some really hot pictures, we need it.

  98. #98 by Mohammed Munir on August 29, 2008 - 10:21 AM

    With so much going on in our “Politics” and “Gossip”

    Who needs Cricket 😉

  99. #99 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2008 - 12:29 PM

    Sri Lanka’s second tier middle order’s late assault by Tushara and Mubarak is going to be the decisive factor in this match. These two have batted like experienced and seasoned batsmen and contributed handsomely for SL.

    At one stage India dominated and suddenly 60 odd runs in 50 balls with 4 more overs to go they have brightened up the dull SL spectators to their feet and now the match is on……..

    MUNIR

    Bhagat ka Bhagti Bana hai So-Aib kya hai iss may?

    This flame will not last long and it is one of those things that money and instant fame that kindles the candle and the romance and courtship that Malak has started from “msn” chatting has now turned into something else, perhaps a dinner and this thing is over … phir andheri raat hai. Malak saab is such a stupendous pain the whatever and he is not realizing what he is doing. This is just like the Show-Actor and Pra Asaf playing with fire he too has joined the bandwagon. Perhaps he is getting carried away by those bikinis and flashy cleavage and wanna touch that flame and burn his “little finger.”

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2008 - 1:31 PM

    Munir

    Your wish is my desire, you got what you wanted and now look at the picture and decide for yourself kay jab uska agla aisa hai tou pichla kaisa hoga? Munna Malak might be stumped from behind aur phir vo na idher ka hoga na udher ka.

    Ghalib has said this sher for Pakistan cricket team:

    Ch2youn ki kami nahee iss team may
    ek dhoondo hazaar miltay hain.

    But why is that he always turns out to be a Paindoo? It goes to prove that Punjabi girls don’t like Punjabi guys! Now, I have thrown a gauntlet at some Jiyalas so lets see how they respond. 😉

  101. #101 by Mohammed Munir on August 29, 2008 - 4:05 PM

    Sayali Bhagat and Shoaib Malak ……….. what a Dig, what a Masalaa, what a JOKE !!

    We are really missing the feedbacks from …

    – Khan Sahab.
    – Awas.
    – Theossa.

    As well as the Indian responces on this ‘burning’ issue.

  102. #102 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2008 - 5:00 PM

    What a wussy performance by Indians especially from Yuvraj who was bowled by Mendis on the first ball. That was enough for him to climb up and crawl all over the Indian batsmen. Even Dhoni played a very stupid shot against the bowling of Dilhara aur apni Wickethara balkay match-hara.

    Earlier Raina acted like an eager beaver assuming that the rain will come and he must be ahead of SL in terms of run rate applied by the D/L method. He was perhaps not aware that India were already at par then and by losing a wicket means they had to score more runs to be at par or ahead of SL in case of D/L method but the number of overs remaining were more than that and Raina was not bothered with that, after hitting one four he lofted the ball up in the air and threw away his wicket. In my opinion that was the crucial point and the second was Yuvraj’s and Dhoni’s wicket was a last straw.

    For Sri Lanka it is good to end on a winning note, they lost the series but this match will boost their confidence because they played without Murali and Vass and they have also boosted the confidence of Mendis who is head and shoulders above the rest of the bowlers in 2008 ODI matches he has taken 43 wickets in 13 matches. Way ahead of Nathan Bracken and Shahid Afridi.
    England once again defeated South Africa and what a bowling performance from Samit Patel, he took 5 wickets but earlier it was Flintoff who scored 78 of 77 balls and took 2 wickets.

    With these two matches over, what next? Sayali and Sialkoti in Langoti?

  103. #103 by khansahab on August 30, 2008 - 12:06 AM

    Munir sahab

    Thank you for requesting feedback from me 🙂

    My first reaction to this striking news was that it’s just gossip. However the news link posted by Javed A Khan revealed all.

    It is quite amazing to know the romance has been going on for a while. Is this just a ploy by Malik to get back at his Hyderabadi in-laws, to show them a glamour model can fall for him? I think for Malak saab this is just a “time pass” romance- Saab has become a celebrity now so he wants to live a life like Indian showbiz celebrities. Or maybe he is following the footsteps of the Rawalpindi born Usman Afzaal who is a County player in the UK. Afzaal is dating the sex icon Amrita Arora who is an Indian actress, the sister of Salman Khan’s sister in law Malaika Khan Arora.

    Sayali is just a low budget and low profile actress, with all due respect. However she still deserves better than Malak.

    I did not ever think Malik could date an Indian actress. In all his interviews he keeps stressing he is a “seedha saadha bacha” who listens to his “amma”, who follows his religion and culture rigorously and who is a proud Punjabi with Punjabi blood flowing in his veins. Why then, Malak saab, are you dating this actress?

  104. #104 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 30, 2008 - 2:24 AM

    Khansahab

    If I am not mistaken Sayali is ex-Miss India and she is too hot for Malik to handle. I don’t really need to say much about this because that Puppoo would be puppy pooping after a few more encounters. Just wait and see.

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