ICC’s Dual Standards – Cricket in Toronto?

The dual standards in cricket by the ICC and the SNPC’s (super nations playing cricket ) has dominated the game of cricket which is more like the board game – Monopoly. The ICC board of directors must have mastered this art in their boardroom meetings and the Australians are the champions of monopolizing, whining and in creating a lot of fuss in every matter, be it sledging or in implementing dual standards.

That famous row between Harbhajan Singh and Roy Symonds, the so-called racial abuse story hit the headlines in every single newspaper in Australia and was also the top story on every TV channel. Harbhajan was declared the villain for calling a spade, a spade or a monkey, a monkey! Eventually, when the Indians put down their foot and threatened to call-off the tour the Australians came back to their senses and they realized it would be a big financial loss not only from the tour but, also the amount of money their players would have lost in the IPL tournament, which was due to take place immediately after that tour. Hence they decided to settle it by exonerating Singh.

But, the big bully boy continued his antics on and off the field and he is another Show Actor. His fishing expeditions almost got his cricket career over. Some of the Australian players and officials bend over backwards in getting him back and finally we will see his backside once again. And, what more? He will be back to India facing Harbhajan Singh and Sreesanth.

The recent bombings in New Delhi is not going to deter the Australians like, the Jaipur bombings during the IPL did not deter them from playing in Jaipur, they will be coming to India which is a much safer country than Pakistan. Definitely there is more political stability in India as compared to Pakistan but, they are not far behind Pakistan in terms bombings, killings and explosions which in a big country and such things happen! But, the Ostrich can bury its head under the Bollywood sand.

While the big nations are busy playing against each other, the hungry Malik cricket team is acting like desperadoes and now the Toronto event is something for them to look forward, its like a ray of hope to play some cricket be it with minnows it doesn’t matter. Its a shame that the West Indies team is not in the tournament taking place in Toronto next month. I wonder what the expectations are? Beating Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and poor Canada will inflate baby Malak’s ego even more. But, the question is have they thought about the weather in Toronto? Its a very bad time of the year to play cricket in this part of the world, even in the Skydome of Toronto. It may protect the rain but, there is no climate control inside.

As it is, the weather at this moment is getting very cold. The lows are as low as 6C and good enough for players from warm countries to freeze and by the time the tournament starts – a full month is ahead from now – the temperatures would be even low. Playing in the open grounds would be next to impossible even if it doesn’t rain. If it rains they might not even play Gilli Dunda. It has been raining throughout this summer, which according to Canadians is not a summer at all. So, cricket fans in Canada are aware of these facts but, those who are in Bangladesh, Pakistan or Zimbabwe may not be aware of the weather here and might be disappointed if the matches are called off due to bad or unsuitable weather.

Once again, the question arises whether it is a good decision by the fatherless motherless PCB to play in Toronto or they should have thought of playing in Abu Dhabi? And, for some reason Sharjah has been declared as a Sin City now.

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  1. #1 by khansahab on September 16, 2008 - 11:05 AM

    Excellent new thread. What a pity Pakistan is on the verge of playing an international tournament, yet the weather and conditions may make it very difficult.

    Apart from West Indies and a few minnows no one wants to play Pakistan anywhere in the world because of various reasons but two of the reasons are that there is not enough money to be made and that the Pakistan side is not competitive anymore.

    On Pakspin the buried topic of why ICC is ignoring Pakistan has been resurrected but I am surprised why people don’t say the first step is to remove Malik and get a real man to do the job. There are certain things that can be implemented short term and others that take longer. So why not start with a team reshuffle with Afridi captain, Younis batting lower down and Misbah batting higher up. Younis has an established place but we need to see if Misbah can carry the responsibility- if he can’t then he shouldn’t be in the team because batting lower down, he has not been able to be a match winner sadly. Whereas Younis was a reliable batsman at no 6- he should never have been sent to no 3. If it ain’t broke why fix it?

  2. #2 by khansahab on September 16, 2008 - 11:30 AM

    This is a link that shows scenes from Taufeeq Umar’s wedding. Shahid Nazir, Misbah ul Haq and Kamran Akmal speak in this video. Mohammad Hafeez and Aamir Sohail are also visible.

  3. #3 by khansahab on September 16, 2008 - 1:35 PM

    All of a sudden the cricket scenario in Pakistan has become more interesting with the imminent appointment of the new Chairman of PCB and rumours about Malik being removed as captain.
    Ramiz Raja has recently made a comment about the need for Imran Khan to be the Chairman of PCB. Imran Khan has become a politician now and it’s interesting to debate whether he can be the right man for the job.

    If Imran Khan can run the PCB like he ran the cricket team he can succeed in this role. However it will be difficult because the managing a massive organisation is not the same as managing 11 players. On the field Imran’s movie-star looks, ability to speak fluent Punjabi, Lahore background and impressive level of education helped him become a superstar who won everyone’s hearts.

    Come to think of it, it might work if everyone thinks, “Let me do this because Imran Bhai said so……….”

  4. #4 by khansahab on September 16, 2008 - 10:22 PM

    He’s done it again. Ever since Fawad Alam’s rise to the spotlight in late 2006 he has been imperious in the domestic circuit while not benefiting from opportunities in the international games. Pakistan looked like it would lose when Kenya posted a stiff target, however Fawad’s century saw the tourists home. The selectors should take note of his because it was a 4th innings knock played under pressure when the Pakistan team looked a bit out of sorts.

    Wonder if Shoaib Malik is taking notice.

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2008 - 11:02 PM

    I thought, Roy would be going to India, but he is not in the squad. I think its a good decision to leave him behind and let him go fishing. No one is above the law. I am quoting Adam Gilchrist’s comments here:

    “Adam Gilchrist, the former Australian wicketkeeper-batsman, said the decision to leave out Andrew Symonds from the tour of India wasn’t a wrong move. “It will be a major blow not to have him in the squad, but if he was not focused on the team it was not a bad decision,” Gilchrist said. “He has to make sure that no one takes his spot in the team. Maybe being dropped for the series is a good thing for him to get himself mentally and physically fit to return to the team.”

    Btw, besides Roy, who among our bloggers is interested in fishing? I used to do a lot but not so much these days because of work and lack of company. Any experiences on fishing would be welcome.

    Amit, about history books, you can “Goo-Gul” or may be search on Amazon.com and you will find a few names. However, if you need to discuss on the subject of Indo-Pak history I am here for you 🙂 actually I did not study history after high school, but I have learnt a lot from my father and grandfather and also some other people who are well known and I can count on their words. So, you can shoot any question and we can discuss. May be we should create a general discussion forum for people to come up with topics that can be discussed.

  6. #6 by Ali Ahad on September 17, 2008 - 11:00 AM

    Kahnsahab, I am sorry but I will have my reservation on Fawad Alam unless he perform against a bigger team rather than the minnows. Again I am not saying the he is bad player or something but my performance metrics is kinda different. I am sure he can hit six sixes if I bowl to him :). Now regarding the captaincy I would say give it to MOYO and make Lala as VC. I am saying this because MOYO can be the gelling factor to unite the team like Inzi. All the team players respect him as a player and as a person and whatever cricket left in him will come out good for Pakistan. I am sure he can make it to the 2011 World Cup.

  7. #7 by khansahab on September 17, 2008 - 11:45 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Sir, I know you are busy and I am sorry to bother you but please can you check your e-mail? Thanks.

  8. #8 by Ali Ahad on September 17, 2008 - 6:05 PM

    Khansahab, a team can win consistently if they are united. The only thing that Pakistan team is missing is unity. They know how to play cricket but the only thing they are lacking right now how to play cricket as a team. Once the team is united they will find the right balance and combination. If you take a look at the current team Lala is by far the senior most player in the team, but only drawback for him that he is not consistent. Yes he has all the ingredients of being a captain but the problem is that being in and out of the team for so many times that some players will definitely question his place in the team especially in Test. I am pretty sure you must be thinking that MOYO has not even played a T20 as yet and how he justify his position in T20, I am sure he can perform well in that version too since he is a class act. And secondly only MOYO can diffuse the friction among YK and lala as YK has lot of respect for MOYO both as a player and person.

    You mention about MOYO is least fit player in the team. Agreed, but you must know that when Inzi became the captain he was also like that but woh khatay hai na key sur pey parti hai to insaan sub kuch kar leta hai. No offence, but if fitness is the only criteria to stay in Pakistan team, I am sure you must be fitter than MOYO but you are not in the Pakistan team. If MOYO will be given the added responsibility of being the captain I am sure he can handle that dual role. Regarding your comment that “His exclusion from the T2o Cup and Misbah’s inclusion was an indication of what the PCB thinks about him.” Meray bhai you forgot that DNA was the one who ask him to make the U-turn from ICL, if PCB doesn’t really care for him then DNA won’t ask him to cancel his ICL contract. Why he is going back to ICL because he is frustrated by the PCB behavior and nothing else. He was promised for IPL but didn’t get any luck and ICL started the legal battle and as Javed A Khan said “the legal system in India Pakistan is such that even Moyo’s grand children would be fighting a legal battle.”

    Jawab ka muntazir, and again, I apologies if un-intentionally I hurt your sentiments in any ways.

  9. #9 by khansahab on September 17, 2008 - 6:14 PM

    Ali Ahad

    Sir, please don’t embarrass me by apologising for hurting my sentiments. I accept and understand all your views about Yousuf and I also acknowledge a reasonable proportion of the public want to see him captain the side. He has never had attitude problems and he is a meek and manageable person by nature. Hence the only thing that comes in his way is his uninspiring personality and lack of leadership skills.

    Whereas I accept a united team wins more matches, under Inzamam Pakistan wasn’t exactly winning outfit and in fact Inzamam was one of the worst captains. It could have been worse I suppose had Inzamam been like Malik. Religion can work both ways round. Woolmer used to complain at times that seniors like Inzamam, Younis and Afridi used to spend more time praying and preaching rather than discussing cricket strategy which Woolmer felt affected their game.

    At this stage I am not saying Yousuf is a necessarily bad choice- I just feel Afridi is a better one.

  10. #10 by Ali Ahad on September 17, 2008 - 10:38 PM

    Khansahab, that’s a quick response by looking at the time when you made the post, anyways, I am not saying that PCB should give captaincy to MOYO because he has long beard or he preach a lot. My only point is that he can gel the players together and that’s what Pakistan team needs. If ‘Namaz’ is the only common ground for all of them then let it be. I am not sure if you remember that when England visited Pakistan in 2005 ‘Actor’ was asked what is the difference between the current Pakistan team and one before he straight away said ‘Namaz, and because of Namaz we are gelling well together’. Sure, MOYO doesn’t have any domestic captaincy experience but for me a great captain is who keep his cool and who doesn’t crumble in the crunch situation and he has shown this quality many times during his career. You don’t have to be aggressive to win matches sometimes a defensive technique or move can win you a match. I am not a person who wants to much religion in the cricket. I believe that to much of anything will destroy everything. There should be a balance.

    Secondly, don’t call me ‘Sir’ because a. I am not of that age and b. I don’t think that I have reached to that stature.

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2008 - 9:54 AM

    Bangladesh bans 13 of its top players for 10 years for signing up with ICL? WTF?

    Show-Actor was issued with an ultimatum to pay the 7 million rupees fine he didn’t even bother to reply to the PCB and and the next day he is included in the preliminary 20 man squad for Toronto, once again WTF?

    What is wrong with these people what kinda standards they maintain? Bangladesh is no different from Pakistan, why do they have to ban their players? What is the difference between IPL and ICL ? A child would say its PC.

    But banning those players means the minnows would be even more weaker than what they were before. I am sure Shoaib Malik would be very happy – A golden opportunity for him to add a few more feathers on his cap.

    Omer & Ali

    I don’t really think that a Moyo would be a good choice to lead the team. If he is in the team he should be able to give his input or keep his influence as a senior, no one will disrespect him or abuse him. He has earned a place and a status in the team for being a very good batsman. He can always help the captain using his experience whether it is Malik, YK or Afridi, I don’t think they would disregard his advice.

    Miandad, always used to go and talk to Imran and tell him whatever he had on his mind. I remember once Imran told me that, in one particular match against India in Sharjah, when Ravi Shastri came to bat, Miandad came running to him and asked him for a fielder to be placed in the deep (long-on) and also asked him to bring the spinner on as Ravi Shastri had this tendency to go after the spinners and he was out in the same way as Miandad predicted. Similarly if Moyo can contribute his views, who would refuse to hear him?

    YK’s captaincy has been talked about more than Monty Python’s spam, spam, spam …. but in reality if you look at his achievements, as a captain there is nothing to write home about. I remember him captaining the Pakistan side in the 5th ODI at Rawalpindi against England when Inzamam for some reason did not play in that match YK captained and earlier on Pakistan had the series 3-1. They could have easily won 4-1 But, lost that match under YK’s captaincy.

    Before the match, after the toss YK said, I am going to win, because winning is my habit !!! If I was there, I would have asked him how many times has he won? In fact it was because of him Pakistan lost that match. Imran Khan is the main culprit who raised this fitna that YK would be a great captain and the media started echoing his words like a holy word of the Gospel. Imran has done this before for Sami and his blue eyed boy Mansoor Akhtar. I have a lot of respect for Imran but, he is not God, he can be wrong.

    So, the proverbial expression, “All that glistens is not gold,” fits on YK. If I have the choice I would not make YK the captain of Pakistan side, because there is too much noise and hardly any action, and the second reason is, if he rejects the offer twice, he doesn’t need to be considered. And, Malik’s case is too many wins but all against minnows.


    The numbers are good, but what happened to the POLITICS PAGE? I don’t see it there. Good to see the Bavarchi Khana in Ramadan. 🙂

  12. #12 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2008 - 4:23 PM

    Andrew Miller has written an article on cricinfo, his views are unbiased and clean, he believes that Pakistan deserves better treatment, but it will not get it.


    Also stated the facts about the situation in Pakistan and owing to politics, “Pakistan have not played a Test match in the whole of 2008. A country that, for the first 50 years of its existence was consistently mightier than its Indian neighbours and which came close to challenging West Indies’ hegemony in the 1980s is now as much of a pariah in sporting terms as it has long been politically.”

    Its a real shame that not only the cricket team but the country is going in reverse direction.


    Is it something that one should feel that he has company and not the only one in the world who is a sinner? Btw, there must be more than a few million druggies in the world, they can join them and feel better.

  13. #13 by khansahab on September 18, 2008 - 7:19 PM

    Surrey had asked Shoaib Akhtar to play for fear of being relegated in the County Championship but Akhtar hasn’t made any positive contribution so far. Plus he is not fit, he bowled a handful of overs in the last match and even in the current 4-day match against Nottinghamshire he has bowled only 10 overs so far. Owing to lack of fitness he will not be able to get wickets and Surrey will regret asking him to come and play. I am sure they have paid him a fortune.

  14. #14 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2008 - 10:51 PM


    We all saw him huffing and puffing during the IPL tournament, only in the first match he played he took 4 wickets and thats it.

    SRK gave him a big hug and climbed up on him then Actor must have asked for more favours from some other bollywood ekastras and after that he was done and dusted.

    The news that he is in the Toronto squad is really very funny, they keep kicking him on his Butt and then they also give him a lolly pop.

    There is a desi expression:

    “GPL ……. aur hath may biscuit.”

    Why GPL? Because he deserves it.
    Why biscuit? So, that he should not feel too bad and keep himself engaged in eating that biscuit.

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 19, 2008 - 9:12 AM


    For lifting the ban on the SL players who played for ICL.

    Pakistan and Bangladesh should also follow the suit and get back to senses instead of being chamchas to the BCCI and the ICC.

    The biggest culprit is Lalit Modi if he thinks he is doing good for the country by creating or introducing the IPL, he is also ruining the careers of a lot of domestic and International players and calling it “Rules are Rules” is a rubbish statement. What rules and who makes these stupid rules?

    Playing for IPL or ICL is same, playing for the county is slightly different that you are released when you are called by the country to represent the national side. Otherwise, they all play for money.

    Sri Lanka took this bold step and they must be hailed for this brave decision.

  16. #16 by theossa on September 19, 2008 - 12:58 PM

    I just wanna stir things up a little on LS. I would like to know opinions of smart folks like you about some sensitive questions I have, first is a two fold question; is following religions wholeheartedly is practically impossible? Also does religious conservativeness lead a society to demise? Second question; have anyone of you experienced anything divine? Last; which one is more beneficial to humankind? Science or Religion? Mind you, 95% of the World’s top scientists are Atheists.

  17. #17 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 19, 2008 - 3:58 PM


    Q. 1. Following religions wholeheartedly is practically impossible.

    Answer: Correct. We are human beings and Farishtay and Jinn.

    There is no need for us to be too much religious as the Mullahs says or ask us to practice. Being a Muslim I am expressing my personal point of view as I see it and, as a mark of respect no comments on other religions.

    If Muslims were to be as much religious as the Mullahs says then there was no need for Allah to create humans, the Farishtay and Jinns were enough for Him to worship and obey as He wanted them to.

    Muslims have been advised to create a balance between the material and spiritual world. The priorities have been set forth that “Huqooq-ul-ibaad” are more important for a man than anything else, which means he has to take care of his family and fellow human beings first. (this is for those who go on tableegh assuming it is better if you spend more time for prayers and religious work.)

    Actions are the results of our intentions so we have to keep our intentions good. Saying prayers for the sake of showing off is not needed by Allah. Your niyah or your intention is more important. Although Salah or namaaz is Farz or compulsory, if you say only 2 rakat or the required 4 and 3 for different times is enough you don’t have to say long sunnah, witr and wajib etc.

    There is always a time in one’s life when he / she likes to say more prayers and if they can, they should. But, there is no compulsion in Islam to say long prayers or to stay up all night and read Quran or to say prayers all night. Read when you feel like and read just a few lines. Most important is the understanding of its meaning and implementation of what is contained in it.

    Like Salah, fasting is also compulsory BUT, If one is physically not fit say for e.g. diabetic or any other ailment or problem that prevents them to fast, or could harm their health then, they are excluded and pardoned and Allah knows that.

    Q. 2: 95% of the world’s top scientists are Atheists.

    Answer: If a purblind nocturnal mouse sees not the sunlight, it is not the later to be blamed.

    If these scientists have not studied Quran and not understood the meanings contained in it, they are naive and ignorant. Those who have studied and understood, acknowledge the fact that there are many things that scientists are discovering now are already contained in the Quran.

    If Richard Dawkins (not Darwin) and a few other dolts do not wish to read or even bother to listen then, its their problem. I can write a book here. And no one would be willing to read it. So, I rest my case here.

  18. #18 by abdul on September 19, 2008 - 4:47 PM

    Nice to see the new blog format. It indeed looks very modernised. However, what do u mean by numbered comments. Is there some sort of restriction like pak spin because it never worked and made it very hard to express opinions and views of bloggers.

    Meanwhile how is every one coping with fasting ?

    As I am student I require some help on my business assigment. Please may u help me as it requires asking someone in the business world?

    Are any of u businessmen and can u tell me a bit about your business ownership and what it involves ?

    What customers do u deal with on a day to day basis ?

    How do you look to provide a good customer service and deal with different people?

    Please will u be able to answer the questions as it will be greatly appreciated and benefit my education in business studies.

  19. #19 by khansahab on September 19, 2008 - 5:25 PM


    Business is a dynamic area where if you have the zest and penchant for creativity, innovation, competition and making money, you will be very successful.

    I am pleased to offer the example of Legslip as a project that is managed professionally like a business. Our ownership takes the form of a partnership where Javed A Khan, Awas and myself own and manage this site. Although we are not registered as a business in any country and although we do not have a distinct legal personality, we have invested money into this project, we have a mission statement, we do market and advertise and we have targets and goals in our minds.

    As of now we are not generating any revenue from our visitors who visit our site and we have no plans to implement such strategies in the forseeable future.

    We provide a good customer service by responding to any queries and concerns and incorporating changes to our site in accordance with the demands of our visitors. We provide a liberal platform where any type of comments with the exception of abuse, are tolerated and freedom of speech and debate is encouraged.

    We offer an amicable service where we attempt to connect to different people on their level. Our visitors vary from teenagers who are vague and secretive about their real ages, to experienced and learned individuals like Kasim sahab, who is rather passive these days.

    I hope this example of Legslip has assisted you in your current project. If you have any further queries please do not hesitate to ask any of the Legslip managers.

  20. #20 by theossa on September 19, 2008 - 5:44 PM

    The problem with scientific discoveries in religious books is that the discoveries came after science has discovered and proved things, so in order to make the religious books compatible with science, books were interpreted in an enigmatic and manipulative way to extract the meanings religious scholars desired.

    I also find it amusing that most religious conservatives, the follower types, are less educated, less smart, poor or close to it, and have a tunnel vision about things. The leader type religious conservatives are smart people with some magnetic personality that people are drawn to them, believe them, and they manipulate them to their will. I think it is very easy to lead people into believing something, there is a religion name “Scientology” created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard who was quoted one time as, “”The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion”. Now that says a lot about how easy it is to manipulate and lead people. I have this prediction that the demise of my second country U.S. will not be due to natural disasters, lack of resources, or bad fiscal practices but will be due to rise of religious conservatives and dumbing down of society in general.

    Historically speaking, I think science has served mankind better than religions. So my vote goes for science. Religion was supposed to be a way of living life but it became law and extremely conservative with the passage of time. This is very true for Islam. Look at the early days of Islam, and look at now. I blame Saudis for ruining the image of this religion just for the simple fact that they’ve adopted conservative version over liberal ones and this has been going on for centuries so now we have this extremely conservative version mixed up of regional culture, twisted translations to suit one’s own agenda. I applaud Turkey for making efforts to separate fake Hadiths from credible ones and translating Quran in historical perspective.

    I don’t blame scientists for being atheists though, science is based on “Prove It!” and religions are based on faith. If scientists start to believe in “Will of God” then a lot of things will remain undiscovered. They have to think out of the box to understand the physics of this universe not just God created it. In the future when the World’s resources will shrink to accommodate the population, scientists will be the ones to approach so I have a lot more respect for scientists than religious scholars.

  21. #21 by khansahab on September 19, 2008 - 7:36 PM


    I marvel at your accomplishments and respect you greatly for those. You are relatively young despite of which you are an intellectual. If that is not enough you are also quite handsome looking mashallah!

    To answer whether following religions wholeheartedly is practically impossible, we must first consider how we define “following religions wholeheartedly”. As with everything the definition of what religion is will vary from person to person.

    Do you mean to say, who follows the rituals wholeheartedly? Or does your question extend merely to the context of fasting, prayer, belief in God and his prophet (PBUH), charity and Pilgrimage?

    Or it is the other qualities which are mentioned to a much lesser degree? That of education, tolerance, reason, maturity, refinement and justice? These qualities are as much a part of religion as anything else in my view and whosoever attempts to detach Kalma, Namaz, Roza, Zakat and Hajj from these qualities in any way, is an enemy of humankind. Herewith I state an earlier assertion of mine with underlying similarities, that religion cannot be practised without education and maturity. There is no point in growing a beard or donning a scarf on your pretty head if you are bigoted, biased, intolerant, jealous, greedy or uneducated. I try wholeheartedly to seek justice, to honour truth, to promote maturity, to educate others not because of any selfish benefit, but because an example must be made and because I care about the greater good. This isn’t to say I have never lied in my life, that I have never been biased, that I have never perhaps been patronising or twisted in my treatment of those who perhaps don’t fully realise it, such as certain participants on this website. Yet it is the realisation of potential detriment to one caused by the Self, of reason and justification of suggestions and concerns regarding our society, of analyses, observations and insinuations of how to improve our lives and of feelings of sympathy and humility even towards one’s worst enemies, that can make an individual religious, wealthy, affluent, educated, refined, accomplished, perhaps even worthy of peace and bliss in the Afterlife.

    This is just my interpretation though. Whereas I do not necessarily undermine the more apparent and promulgated features of our religion such as Roza, Hajj and Namaz (there is also ambiguity amongst intellectuals as to what these terms actually mean themselves) I believe these qualities are subordinate in the face of a principled being who goes out of his way to assist and sacrifice for another, for the other’s betterment and enrichment.
    Again this is solely how I perceive life. As stated before everything I believe in and everything I am and can be, stems from an entrenched, unquestionable and unremitting fundamental belief in a Creator, a Being of unimaginable Greatness whose virtues his Creation are simply incapable of identifying. Hence the tools we use to analyse, reason and to put simply, think, such as “logic”, which is the very basis of how science and law function, are incapable of identifying powers and truths that are simply beyond us to identify.

    There is the scientific world and a spiritual world. Today’s world is almost wholly scientific and materialistic and ideas of religion, belief, purpose of life and creation are simply forgotten and totally misinterpreted. Today’s world is hence bereft of people who care about the Greater Good and this world is going in the direction of self destruction. Everywhere you look, you see corruption, poverty, inequality, discrimination, bigotry, abuse of power and authority for selfish gains etc. The problems the world is facing today is due to the dilution of character and principles. The scary thing and point to ponder is, somehow religion, when interpreted rightly, succeeds in enforcing character and principles. Isn’t that what today’s depressing world desperately needs? The majority of the population in the West has some sort of depressive disorder or psychological problems. By seeking enlightenment without a belief in the Purpose of Life and by questioning the Creator without the simple realisation of inability to identify the Creator, today’s world seems to have accomplished only half of its objective. What is the other half that is needed? It is the unremitting belief in religion, the belief in spiritualism, the belief in the afterlife and the belief in the Creator. The Western world adopted Christianity which has failed to educate the world as to the Purpose of Life. Islam offers the necessary solution, yet the people who have a duty to save the world by virtue of their character and principles, the Muslims, are playing their part in destroying it owing to their unrefined, bigoted and intolerant actions.

    Finally, all of the aforementioned is from a totally subjective point of view. I believe in God but I don’t know what the Truth about life is and I don’t know how God feels or thinks.

  22. #22 by khansahab on September 19, 2008 - 7:55 PM


    The moral fabric of the Scientific world is being destroyed owing to lack of faith and my belief is that in the future faith is the only thing that will give people hope and a purpose in life. Maybe it is psychological which means it isn’t true; I believe it to be true but the world may not have any other option.

  23. #23 by khansahab on September 20, 2008 - 9:23 AM

    Yousuf’s complaints totally unwarranted, says PCB

    ISLAMABAD, Sept 19: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has slammed star batsman Mohammad Yousuf for his querying of selectors and threats to quit if he is continually left out of the national Twenty20 team.

    Yousuf is regarded as one of the world’s leading one-day batsmen, but has played only one international Twenty20 match and was considered only an outside chance of being chosen for the four-nation Twenty20 tournament in Canada next month.

    “On the face of it, it looks a hypothetical comment and it’s totally unwarranted,” PCB spokesman Mansoor Suhail said on Friday, adding that Yousuf should not attempt to pre-empt selection. “There is no denying the fact that he is a great batsman, but he has acted in haste by criticizing the selection process.”

    Yousuf was quoted in a leading Urdu-language newspaper on Friday as saying that, “My name comes in the first playing 11, what to talk about 15. Pakistan will suffer the most if the selectors dropped me. If I’ll be dropped …. it will be a big shock to me.”

    Yousuf said that if Pakistan’s three former captains —Inzamam-ul-Haq, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis — endorsed the decision of selectors of ignoring him for Twenty20 cricket then he would consider retirement. “If there is someone else who can bat better than me I am willing to quit cricket,” he said.

    Pakistan are scheduled to play in the four-nation Twenty20 tournament in Toronto next month against Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and Canada. The squad was yet to be selected.

    Yousuf was dropped from the Pakistan team that played in the final of last year’s inaugural World Twenty20 tournament in South Africa.

    He has scored 9,242 runs in 269 One-day Internationals and was shortlisted for the year’s best ODI player, but the right-handed batsman’s only Twenty20 international was against England in 2006 in which he scored run-a-ball 20.

    Yousuf’s mediocre fielding had been cited as a factor in his Twenty20 non-selection, but the 34-year-old said, “I just want to ask them how many Jonty Rhodes are there in the Pakistan team?”.

    Pakistan’s leading players will compete in the National Twenty20 tournament, starting from Oct. 4 in Lahore and the selectors would use the event to assess players before naming the squad for Toronto.

    Yousuf will lead Lahore Lions in the tournament, but was not happy that it should be treated as an audition. “It’s not a test case for me,” he said. “After representing Pakistan for 11 years ….. I just want to make it clear that I am not playing (in the national Twenty20) to prove my abilities to anyone.”—AP

  24. #24 by khansahab on September 20, 2008 - 9:36 AM

    Surrey are out of the County Championship after their disgraceful loss against Nottinghamshire. Shoaib Akhtar could not do anything for Surrey. He bowled only 14 of the 112 overs his team bowled and he went for about 4.5 runs per over.

    Prior to his participation he said in an interview, “I enjoy playing for the Surreys………”

    My question is, Actor, do you still enjoy playing for “the Surreys” now?

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2008 - 10:04 AM


    To answer the question in your first paragraph of comment #27 about discoveries coming first and the religious leaders extracted its meaning from the holy books in a manipulative manner. To an ignorant mind it may appear like that, and I am not saying you are an ignorant, dimwit dolt. Contrary to that you are very smart (in every way) and I am referring to those who don’t know about the Muslim scientists, mathematicians and scholars. Despite being religious they discovered many things and their contribution to science in the early stages or even up to the 17th century is enormous.

    It is unfortunate that today’s Muslims or Islamic country’s rulers are so pathetic and disgrace to the whole Islamic community because of what they are doing be it Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE or Pakistan, they only bring shame to the great Muslims of the pasts. It is important for all of us to know about the history of Muslim scientists and their work.

    1. In 7th century Ja’far Al Sadiq refuted Aristotle’s theory of four classical elements and theorized that each one is made up of different chemical elements, he said: “I wonder how a man like Aristotle could say that in the world there are only four elements.” He even created the particle theory.

    2. During the same century Geber or Jabir ibn Hayyan, a Muslim chemist, is “considered by many to be the father of chemistry”

    3. The first pharmacy and drugstores in the world were opened in Baghdad in 754 AD. The first apothecary shops are also opened in the Islamic world.

    4. World’s first known public library or “The House of Wisdom” was and world’s first free public hospital was founded by the famous Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid whose reign was between 763 – 809 AD and it was not just any quack medicine but the same modern medicine that we use today and also accommodated psychiatric wards and clinics in those days.

    5. The first ever medical schools were founded in Baghdad during Khalifa Al-Ma’mun’s time. These also became the first medical universities awarding degrees to doctors.

    6. In 820 AD, Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi Latinized name “Algorithm” wrote the Hisab al-jabr w’al-muqabala which we know as Calculus of resolution and juxtaposition, more briefly referred to as al-jabr, or Algebra. In the same year, Abu Abdollah Muhammad ibn Isa Mahani conceived the idea of reducing geometrical problems such as duplicating the cube to problems in algebra.

    7. Ibn-Al-Haytham or (Hishaam) is known as the father of optics. His contribution in science is Parallel to Isaac Newton and his work was not restricted to opthalmology alone but, physics, engineering, mathematics, psychology, various scientific methods and even surgery.

    8. Abu Alī al-Ḥusayn ibn Abd Allah ibn Sina the great, known in the western world as Avicenna as the master of medicine and Pathology, in his book, “The Canon of Medicine,” was the first to carry out cancer therapy. He recognized cancer as a tumor and noted that a “cancerous tumour progressively increases in size, is destructive and spreads roots which insinuate themselves amongst the tissue elements.”

    I can write the names of a few hundred and thousands of notable Muslim scientist, mathematicians, doctors, scholars who are recognized in the western world and whose work has been progressed further. There are many sufis and great poets, men of knowledge and wisdom who believed in God and in religion.

    Even Einstein believed in God. If some of today’s scientists are Atheist that is because, a majority of the population in the western world is Atheist. They have nothing to cling on to and that is why there is so much “uriyani & bay-hay-ee” in the culture.

    To say religion is destructive and science is creative and constructive is wrong. The point is we need to create a sweet balance between spirituality and science. If spirituality is mystic then science is even more mysterious and it depends on the perception of the perceiver.

    If you are able to read this much and digest it, then it is enough for this session, I can write more later.

    On cricket.

    Tendulkar is injured and may not be playing for the Irani Trophy.

    A question for Amit …… Suri and a few other Indian friends.

    Shouldn’t Tendulkar throw his batting gloves and wear kitchen gloves to run his restaurant?

    He must retire gracefully unlike Gavaskar, Kapil Dev or Kumble, this tendency to drag on till you are kicked out like Ganguly or Laxman recently should end. Tendulkar will be remembered better if he retires gracefully! Thats my opinion.

  26. #26 by Zain on September 20, 2008 - 10:13 AM

    abdul ka bul bul

    numbers means serial numbers and not words or character limit as in pakspin. open ur eyes and see that all comments are numbered now. if you cant see this how are you going to count your money when you do business? btw, you should register yourself at one of the internet universities which offer on-line coaching for business studies, if the UK or USA universities are expensive you should try a few in Pakistan they have a few in Lahore, Sialkot, Gujranwala, Faislabad and Mirpur. In fact Mirpur offer Masters and Ph.D courses in business and hotel management. You must have seen their graduates and post-graduates running successful restaurants in London. I hope this information is of some help to you, don’t say I didn’t offer you any help.

    Btw, great discussion on religion & science and theossa is the champion of stirring a hot debate. In abdul’s dictionary hot means Karina Kapoor or Rani Mukerjee, right abdul?

  27. #27 by khansahab on September 20, 2008 - 10:54 AM

    Javed A Khan

    About Tendulkar, I think he might perhaps have called his retirement had it not been for the record of most Test runs he is on the verge of breaking. This is not to say he plays only for himself and not his country or he is obsessed with breaking records (he has broken most of the ones that can be applied to batting anyway), but every cricketer wants to seek new landmarks in his career. At least he hasn’t gone out of his way to end the careers of his rivals Ganguly and Dravid, like how Wasim Akram tried to relegate Waqar Younis and how Imran Khan tried to get rid of Miandad.

    In Pakistan there is always a lot of talk about who plays for the country and who plays for himself. This debate was escalated to an unprecedented level when Miandad was prevented from reaching his triple century against India in Hyderabad. Miandad was obviously upset and his critics started saying that he plays only for himself. Imran Khan himself questioned why Miandad was so disappointed.

    I recall watching an interview of Zaheer Abbas a few years ago when he was asked about how important centuries and fifties are for cricketers. He said that every cricketer should play for the country and not for records, but I still remember this statement from him, “….Leken jab apnay balley sey runs bantein hain or century ya double century nikal jaati hai, toh uss ka mazaa kuch aur hota hai”.

    In the same interview he was also asked why players from Karachi are not selected so much to play for the national side and his response was very odd and disconcerting: “Dekhain, Karachi key log zaada khaatey peethay nahin hain, uss ki waja sey unn may stamina ki kammi hoti hai, jab key punjab mai log sahi tareeqey sey khaatey peethey hain, is waja sey woh team mai zaada nazar aatey hain”.

    So according to Zaheer Abbas, what matters is how much you eat which affects your stamina level?

  28. #28 by khansahab on September 20, 2008 - 11:05 AM

    Javed Miandad defends Imran Khan’s party in this interview. The interviewer called “Rana saab” is so arrogant, he is not letting Miandad speak!


  29. #29 by khansahab on September 20, 2008 - 11:27 AM

    Akram not averse to coaching Pak bowlers

    New Delhi, March 28
    Clearly upset by an indisciplined bowling attack struggling against India in the just concluded Samsung Cup, former Pakistan skipper Wasim Akram said he was not averse to play the bowling coach’s role if it came his way.

    The former left-arm pacer stressed on the need of a bowling coach and said,’’Not only Pakistan, but I believe every team needs a bowling coach.’’

    When asked whether he would like to play the role, the former left-arm pacer said, “It’s hypothetical to say whether I would like to coach them and it depends on so many things. But if such offer comes, I’m not averse to do it .’’

    In the just-concluded Samsung Cup series, the Pakistani pacers generously conceded wide and no balls that saw a number of former players clamouring for a bowling coach for the side.

    Former captain Imran Khan said the team was in dire need of a bowling coach and he suggested the name of former pacer Aquib Javed, coach of the under-19 team.

    “I think Wasim Akram is quite happy to do commentary. After talking to him, it seems that he is happy to play a passive role in cricket. So, it is Aquib who deserves to look after the Pakistan bowlers,” Imran had said.

    Refusing to comment on Imran’s observation about his pre-occupations , Akram said the present Pakistan bowlers were talented and had enough pace and if the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has any such offer, “I’ll definitely do that.”

    Prior to Indian team’s departure for the historic tour, Pakistan coach Javed Miandad vented his anger claiming Akram had been spelling out the “secret” of reverse swing to Indian bowlers.

    Media reports about the probability of Akram being made the bowling coach of the Indian team had also created a ruckus in Pakistan.

    Even though the demand for a bowling coach got louder in Pakistan after they lost the Samsung Cup series 2-3 to the visitors, coach Javed Miandad and skipper Inzamam-ul Haq believe the team can do away with a bowling coach for the time being.

    MiandAd even pointed out that neither Imran, nor Wasim needed a bowling coach and it’s up to the bowlers themselves to show more discipline.

    In the past too, Miandad resisted the re-appointment of the then bowling coach Daryl Foster after their World Cup 2003 debacle.

    Meanwhile, the “Sultan of Swing”, as Akram is known, heaped praise on Indian pacer Irfan Pathan and Pakistan speedster Mohammad Sami.

    Talking about the Indian, he said, “Irfan is a very talented bowler and is young. He was in great form and bowled well in Australia and also in the one-dayers in Pakistan. He can improve further and is definitely a prospect.”

    Incidentally, it was Akram who helped the rookie Indian pacer finetune his bowling in Australia. — UNI

  30. #30 by khansahab on September 20, 2008 - 11:32 AM

    This is what the Pakistan team needs:

    A “coach”
    A bowling coach
    A batting coach
    A fielding coach
    A captaincy coach to coach Malik
    A psychologist to control Actor, Asif, Tanvir, Malik and other arrogant players
    A management coach to coach Talat Ali Malik

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2008 - 2:11 PM


    on Zaheer Abbass’s comments all I can tell you is to watch the old videos and see how strong he was. He was another Sikander Bakht in physical appearance and people say both of them looked like the children’s comic character “Pinnocio” even Javagal Srinath was like that.

    Zaheer’s strength was not in his arms but his timing, the way he used to time his strokes made him look graceful in his early days. He was never a big hitter like Shahid Afridi, Yuvraj Singh etc. So, I don’t understand why he needs to talk about food or muscles?

    Manzoor Elahi whose career was short in test and ODI was a guy with a big frame and I remember one of the Urdu commentators said, ” Doodh aur Dahee kay Pee nay walay – Jeeyalon kay Shaher may rehnay Walay, Dangal may kushti larnay walay – hamaray mahnaaz khilari Manzoor Elahi ab aatay hain batting kernay “ He came and he got bowled on first ball and went back. All that drama bazi and luffazi was for nothing. Manzoor Elahi’s brother Saleem Elahi was tiny just like Salman Butt and Kamran Akmal.

    Look at Shoaib Malik’s chaal dhaal, he looks like a marriyal tuttoo and carry’s such meek expressions on his face. From any side does he look like a Jeeyala? What rubbish? Why do they have to say such things for cricket players that you need to be big and strong? Tendulkar is short but, he thrashed every single bowler including Wasim and Waqar out of the ground. Cricket is not wrestling if thats what is there on their minds to speak such rubbish.

    A good suggestion about the different COACHES and they also need a coach to travel and a couch to slouch.

  32. #32 by khansahab on September 20, 2008 - 2:32 PM

    So much media attention was given to Wasim Akram and the possibility of him coaching the Indian or Pakistani team. Whereas recently Akram said that he does not have the patience to be a full time coach, he has previously said in the past that he will consider coaching if the money is good. And we all know PCB has made him offers which he has not considered good enough.

  33. #33 by khansahab on September 20, 2008 - 6:56 PM

    Dean Jones lashes out at Cricket Australia

    Saturday, 20 Sep, 2008 | 01:50 PM PKT |

    CANBERRA: Dean Jones, former Australian Test Cricketer, in his article in the Canberra Times has said that the Australian cricket team’s decision visit to India despite recent bombings constitutes double standards.
    The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has slammed Cricket Australia’s decision. Jones said he agrees with the PCB and believes money played a big role in the decision, according to the article.
    ‘Cricket Australia is doing the politically and financially expedient thing by sending the Australian team to India’ he wrote.
    ‘They’ve been ticking all the boxes, sending Ricky Ponting to Canberra to briefings with the Foreign Minister and getting ‘independent advice’ on security matters there.’
    ‘They know they need the team to tour India because of the massive dollars on offer (after all they’ve got to pay their players) and the political sway India now holds over the game.’
    ‘My problem with this is that it suggests double standards, the complaint Pakistan has raised so vehemently in the last few days.’
    ‘By touring India we are saying that bombs going off in one country are a deal breaker, but not in another. We shouldn’t be surprised by this attitude though.’
    ‘In terms of politics and finances, Australia is in a bind,’ added Dean Jones.
    Dean Jones further adds ‘Pakistan did a brilliant job with security and you could see how good cricket was for the people. They were able to enjoy the series and not worry about the problems of their country.’
    The Sydney Morning Herald, in its editorial, too has criticised Cricket Australia’s decision to go ahead with the tour of India.
    According to the editorial ‘having cancelled this year’s plan of tour to Pakistan on security grounds, Cricket Australia now faces accusations of hypocrisy for agreeing to tour India in the wake of terrorist bombings in Delhi’.
    It said Pakistan’s chagrin is understandable. While Pakistan suffers an inordinate degree of instability, visiting sportsmen have really, if ever, been targeted.
    Australia skipper Ricky Ponting, though, has defended the decision, saying he is ‘comfortable’ touring India.

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2008 - 9:13 PM


    Wasim Akram as an individual is a scumbag, he has no morals and he wants to earn money by hook or by crook. His patriotism is zilch, he ain’t worthy of anything. The only reason I remember him is because of his bowling and he was an exceptional bowler, c’est ca.

    Now, the blast in Islamabad is to get even with that previous 7 blasts in New Delhi. No one knows who is behind it but all those attention seeking terrorists organizations will claim they were behind it to get a popularity vote. Whatever it is, its a very sad day for the nation.

    Dean Jones is a very straightforward person, as a player he was outstanding and as a commentator he was EXCELLENT. His silly mistake had cost him his future, they made a mountain out of a mole. Personally, I like him for his straightforwardness and for being blunt and righteous.

  35. #35 by Mohammed Munir on September 21, 2008 - 8:58 AM

    Reference to comment no. 38 of Khan Sahab.

    We also need a ‘coach’ to ‘coach’ our ‘coach’ on how to ‘coach’ the un-coach-able Paindoos 😉

  36. #36 by Mohamed Anfaal on September 21, 2008 - 9:35 AM

    I have participated on this blog a few times in the past for those who remember, but have been away for quite a while as far as posting is concerned but did pop in a few times and read a few posts but couldn’t post myself.
    Just had a little bit of time today to read and saw this interesting debate about “Science and Religion” whether conflict or conciliation. Compatible or incompatible,
    I’ve tried posting a link to this book which I think will answer at least one of Theossa’s queries

    at http://www.irf.net/irf/drzakirnaik/dznindex.htm

    Apologies to anyone who thinks that I just barged in to their conversation,

    And lastly, Woe to those who take innocent lives
    “Ramadan Kareem”

  37. #37 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2008 - 9:41 AM

    YOUSUF PATHAN saved India A from blemishes against NZ. The Indian top and middle order crumbled like a cookie and he initially played a cool and composed innings before going berserk. He made 148 in 127 balls, but he blasted 9 fours and 9 sixes. It means he scored 90 runs in 18 balls.

    In our Pra Waqqa’s words “This man Robin is not a good batman these days.” He was out on a duck, he is more into styles and modeling wearing designer sunglasses, jazzy haircut trying to get crowd and media attention. What he doesn’t know is, you don’t get attention from these things but only through scoring and playing well. Look at simple Yousuf. He is showing some signs of returning to form after the IPL. But, he needs to be more consistent at international level in ODI’s and T20.

  38. #38 by khansahab on September 21, 2008 - 10:01 AM

    Munir sahab

    LOL really funny comment…….(comment no 43)

    Anfaal sahab

    Thank you for participating on this blog. You have posted some very wise comments before, it would be a pleasure to see many more comments from you in the future and hopefully you will write more regularly!


  39. #39 by Adnan Naqvi on September 21, 2008 - 10:30 AM

    stop blockking my commant. & why is you change website color. i am answer my commant to the abdul because the abdul ask about business.

    i am own 2 shop in azizabad KARACHI and 1 shop in nazimabad, KARACHI. my brother is sitting in 2 shop, i am business from 1 shop. i want halp the abdul for studies.well 2 shops is selling general store. 1 shop sell food like nihari and paya. we make own food and sell, business not good since PPP in power. my customer is hungry men in the city, well they is pay for food and our business provide the food.

    customer service, i think so maybe good food is give to the customer on time. food is always fresh and hot. i am opirate clean business so i we care is about the clean food.

    anyways i am try halp him because i dont think abdul like KARACHI but i believe halp the poor and needy people. my party is halp the needy people in KARACHI. altaf hussein is teach us to halp the needy and poor. anyways thanks.

    Adnan from Karachi

  40. #40 by khansahab on September 21, 2008 - 10:58 AM

    Adnan Naqvi

    Thanks so much for enlightening us with your business acumen and the principles for which your party stands for.

    I read an article where people were discussing reasons for the demise of Pakistan cricket. One person said that it is the attitude of senior players like Wasim, Waqar etc who have focused more on making money for themselves whereas it is their responsibility not just to pass on their skills to the youngsters but also to encourage and motivate the players.

    Another person said that the problem is mainly lack of money. Lack of funds to do everything from organising lavish and extravagant tournaments, to paying the players well, seeking respectable sponsors- these things play their part in not attracting foreign teams. If you consider the way cricket has improved so much in the past 5-10 years in India, Bangladesh and to an extent Sri Lanka, Pakistan looks way behind. Also, on a social level Pakistan doesn’t have much to attract foreigners. There is no booze or womanising culture. There is the famous Heera Mandi but I don’t think Symonds & Co know about it yet! 🙂

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2008 - 9:22 AM

    After Show-Actor’s another failure at the County level, Tony Grieg mentioned that “SUCKERS KEEP FALLING FOR SHOAIB.” How true, they all think that he could be a match winner, actually he is not and he ruins the future of a young bowler by taking his spot. This idiot must retire. He has done enough damage to the Pakistan cricket team in terms of game and fame. He has brought more ill-repute and bad name for the country than good. He has created more fuss in the team than anyone ever did, he has created more rift in the team than anyone ever did. He needs a kick on his Butt.

    We should all sign a petition and request Show-Actor to retire from cricket and he can join hands with Asaf Zardari and his clan.

    The second day after the biggest ever bomb blast in the history of Pakistan, this Crook-Dari has gone out of the country on yet another ego trip, and this time to the UN but, the main purpose is to go and lick Bush’s ass. Wait and see how many more bloopers he will do over there along with his paraphenelia. “May goad give us strent to save Pakistan.”


    The above quote is from the guest book at the masoleum of Qaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah when he recently went there and so proudly wrote that comment along with his name, title, designation: “President of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.” What a shame and a disgrace to Pakistan.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2008 - 3:01 PM


    did I say that I don’t believe in science? In fact, I wrote that we need to keep a sweet balance between science and spirituality. Thats why they say Neem Hakeem khatra-e-jaan, Neem Mulla khatra-e-Emaan.

    There is a saying “Seek knowledge though it be in China.” and “Seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave.” So, the emphasis is on seeking, acquiring, sharing and spreading knowledge and most importantly the scientific knowledge, about us and about this universe and about the Creator and what is the purpose of our creation and through the study of this Universe we learn more about ourselves and about the Creator.

    I do remember hearing this from a scholar, who said, hundred years of ‘ibaadat’ is equivalent to one hour of contemplating about the creation of universe. A Mullah may not like this, but it is true first you need to know yourself and then this Universe in which we are living and then we will know Who the Creator is?

    Yes, I have read about science and religion conflicts in Christianity when the Kings were using religion for their own benefit and controlling the Church. That is why their holy books have been altered from Old Testament to New Testament, to revised edition to new international revised edition etc. But, ours is still intact in its original form and Allah has assured us that He will protect it from being altered and it is because of this there are hundreds and thousands of Muslims who have memorized it and not a single word in it has changed since it has been revealed.

    Your initial question was not only about religion but ultimately pointing towards the existence of the Creator. Science asks direct proof of everything whereas, religion is faith based, you have to have faith and believe according to that. Faith is to see what we do not see and, the reward of this faith in what we believe. It creates an order in our lives, it brings discipline in our lives, in short it is a way of life.

    If one argues that science or the laws of science are not hypothetical but concrete or result oriented and that is the proof then, there are so many reasons not to believe in science even the theory of relativity is based on perception.

    The universe which we all believe is infinitely expanding can also be challenged because, the infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor
    provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite is solely that of an idea.

    The infinitude will demand that it has always existed and continues to exist, so its existence is not necessary in itself to maintain physical reality, even though all things
    coming from it are unpredictable. So, how can you say that there is no Creator or a Supreme Being then who connects and who controls all reality and all of existence into making this universe infinitely expanding?

    Based on that, most people even the scientists believe that there is a Creator or a Supreme Being and, based on that most scholars see the need of following the rules that have been laid down by the Supreme Being through the holy books and, do we deny that the holy books are fake or written by humans?

    We will discuss about this later in more detail, in the meantime you think about what I have said and contemplate. 🙂

  43. #43 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2008 - 3:08 PM

    Even the science does not heal the amputees, ha ha 😉 this is just a mild sarcasm but Man is using his gray matter in trying to help them through prosthetics and I want to share this video with you, take a look, in fact listen to it and see how they are improving step by step.


    check out Dean Kamen’s Full Bionic Luke Arm. There are about 3-4 videos so watch them and listen to them carefully. This is for people like you who are interested in the development of science. I am not saying I am not among them 😉

  44. #44 by abdul on September 22, 2008 - 3:48 PM

    Khanshab. thanks for the feedback and I can use legslip as one of the examples for the assigment but I also require another business organisation. So if anyone has so again it will be much appreicated by me in these crucial years of education.

  45. #45 by theossa on September 22, 2008 - 4:44 PM

    Javed, the difference between you and me on the creator issue is that, you are past the question and have found the answer while I’m still searching and scratching. Well, one has to consider extra-terrestrial connection while asking where we came from? Look at “Khansahab” he is one for sure! He is probably 1000 years old 21 and he might have the answers I seek.

    Thanks for the viedo link, I’ll check it out when I’m done eating my lunch but it sounds like amputees will have unfair advantages over other people. Personally, I wouldn’t mind to be transformed into Iron Man, I can take Natalie Portman far away in the sky and have space love!

  46. #46 by Zain on September 23, 2008 - 3:11 AM


    if you want to learn more about business administration I think you should read Javed Khan’s comments in response to theossa on the Politics page about the US economy and seek his assistance.

    But, just out of curiosity could you please tell what exactly are you interested in learning here? I guess you are often distracted by hot gals and cricket matches, do you think you can control your teenage emotions and not get distracted?

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2008 - 3:35 AM


    Meray bhai, sky is the limit to seek knowledge and the knowledge that I have acquired so far is just like a spec of sand that you pick up from a beach. So, please don’t say that “you are past the question and have found the answer while I’m still searching and scratching. ” Lemme clip your nails before you scratch your head or your butt and start to bleed. 🙂

    On your question about where we came from? On a lighter note here is something for you. Mothers in the western world often tell their kids that Stork bring babies.

    A full term pregnant single mother just before leaving for the hospital tells her 4 year old son and a 6 year old daughter about how much food is in the fridge and how much milk and what they should do while she is away to the hospital as the Stork is about to bring a new baby boy/girl into their family. When she leaves, the boy was so confused and puzzled and asks her sister. I wonder how she managed to have sex with a Stork?

    You don’t have to be so emotional or jazbati and I know you love Sufism more than anything, so lemme tell you this verse, Sher.

    Banay Sufi jazbaat may behnay walay
    Qalandar banay ishq may jalnay walay
    Qutub bun gaye runj-O-gham sehnay walay
    Saaray Wali bungay ” Ya Ali ” kehnay walay.

    Ali Maola, maola, Ali maola……………..

    This is from Fariz Ayaz’s “Mun kull tou Maola.” Its amazing. Especially when he goes on high pitch with this:

    Ya Shah-e-Najaf
    Khyber Shikan …… something something I can’t remember.

    Yae haal mera aap pay roshan hai sara sar
    Mayoos hoon mujboor hoon ghabraon na kiion kar
    Iss vaqt tou karam ki jiyeh yae vaqt-e-karam hai
    Aye Data-e-Najaf tumko Mohammad ki qasam hai
    Ali maola, maola, Ali maola…….. 🙂

  48. #48 by Varun Suri on September 23, 2008 - 8:37 AM

    I hope this one really goes on as planned!!!

    India in Pakistan 2008-09

    Pakistan announce India tour itinerary

    Cricinfo staff

    September 23, 2008

    India will go ahead with their tour of Pakistan early next year despite last weekend’s bomb blast at the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad. India will arrive on January 4, and will play three Tests, five ODIs and a Twenty20 international, as planned in the original official itinerary approved by both boards.

    India in Pakistan 2008-09 – Tour schedule

    January 4: Arrival in Karachi
    January 6-8: Three-day warm-up match, Hyderabad
    January 13-17: First Test, Karachi
    January 21-25: Second Test, Rawalpindi
    January 29-February 2: Third Test, Lahore
    February 6: First ODI, Faisalabad
    February 8: Second ODI, Lahore
    February 11: Third ODI, Rawalpindi
    February 14: Fourth ODI, Multan
    February 17: Fifth ODI, Karachi
    February 19: Only Twenty20 international

    “India will play a Test and a one-day international in Rawalpindi because the itinerary was approved by India before the Islamabad blast,” Pakistan Cricket Board chief operating officer Shafqat Naghmi told AFP. “We hope normalcy returns by the time India tours us.”

    He also stressed that Rawalpindi was one of the most important venues in Pakistan. “We have recently renovated the stadium in Rawalpindi, and hope when India tours us all will be well.”

    The 47-day tour will begin with India playing a three-day warm-up match at Hyderabad’s Niaz Stadium, starting on January 6 against a yet-to-be-named side. The Tests are to be played in Karachi, Rawalpindi and Lahore while Faisalabad, Lahore, Rawalpindi, Multan and Karachi will host the one-dayers. Karachi will also stage the Twenty20 game.

    The Indian team stayed at the Marriott Hotel on their last two visits in 2003-04 and 2005-06, and also played a Test and a one-dayer in Rawalpindi in 2004 and a one-dayer in 2006.

    In 2006, Pakistan won the three-Test series 1-0 while India clinched the one-day series 4-1.

    © Cricinfo

  49. #49 by khansahab on September 23, 2008 - 10:56 AM

    I have unearthed more about the Malik-Sayali Bhagat affair. I don’t think Malik is serious about this girl and I think he is treating her like “time pass”..

    What is beyond belief is this girl saying that Malik has no issues with her religion- their eventual “marriage” is being compared to Akbar-Jodha, a Hindu-Muslim marriage, much like that of Shahrukh and Gauri Khan (their marriage occurred before Shahrukh Khan became a famous person, whereas many people already consider Malik to be a hero and great player, and a role model, especially youngsters).

    Malik seems to be a very complicated person. On one hand he has openly said he has Punjabi blood and he is proud of his roots and on the other hand his girlfriend is saying she can continue living like a Hindu if they get married!

    Our Indian friends may be concerned about why I am making such a huge issue of this Hindu-Muslim marriage. The reason is that in Islam you can only marry a person of an Abrahamic faith (Christian, Jew or Muslim), otherwise you cease to be a Muslim yourself.

  50. #50 by khansahab on September 23, 2008 - 1:11 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Please don’t be so modest. Alhamdulillah you know so much about EVERYTHING and you are the second person I have met after my father who knows so much about EVERYTHING.

    To say you are an intellectual is an understatement. The way you employ humour in your comments, that is very intelligent and subtle humour and people of average intelligence can’t use or understand that.

    I am really sorry if this has embarrassed you.

  51. #51 by khansahab on September 23, 2008 - 1:16 PM


    Thanks for appreciating my feedback. I agree with Zain that perhaps you should read Javed A Khan’s comments. Also whereas I don’t approve of the way Adnan Naqvi addresses you in his comments and whereas I accept Mr Naqvi is not the most articulate individual, I believe his comment does contain some useful information that you can utilise in this crucial stage of your education.

    Unfortunately, I do not own any business myself that would have enabled me to assist you further with your enquiry.

    Best of luck in your assignment.

  52. #52 by Veysel Peru on September 23, 2008 - 2:15 PM

    To Mr. Javed A. Khan
    Your comment has passed the moderation.

    Hello Mr. Khan,

    My name is Veysel Peru. Humbly, I am the inventor of Veyselic Numbers. I saw that somewhere in the internet (namely in the site https://legslip.com/2008/05/04/shane-warne-shouldnt-have-retired/ ) you have mentioned about Veyselic Numbers. I wonder where did you get the information about Veyselic Numbers and what do you think about it. I will be very pleased if you answer these questions, because this issue is extremely important for me and you are the first person in the world using Veyselic Numbers in a sentence .) You can mail me if you want.

    Hope to hear from you soon.
    Veysel Peru
    Istanbul, Turkey

  53. #53 by theossa on September 23, 2008 - 2:50 PM

    Oh, I completely forgot to thank Mohamed Anfaal for the web link he provided. Thanks Anfaal, I’ll sure look into it.

  54. #54 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2008 - 3:10 PM

    Mr. Veysel Peru

    I have already responded to your comments the first time you posted them on the Shane Warne page, which does not show on the menu bar above. And since then you have posted the same comment on almost every page of this blog. So, I am copy pasting my comment on this latest thread for you to read and feel satisfied that I have answered to your questions. Here is the copy / paste below:


    Dear Mr. Veysel Peru

    First of all thank you for the honour of making me the first person in the world using Veyselic numbers in a sentence, which may or may not be correct. But, let me make this very clear to you that I am not a mathematician, in fact my knowledge about maths is zilch.

    When I used your name with the numbers, I think I was responding to one of our colleagues (theossa) question who is a mathematician and I guess it was about “numbers and words” and, which is more powerful?

    That was just to make a point or two, to win an argument I wrote that numbers are powerful than words, although words too are very powerful, as you cannot say 1, 2, 3 to your wife and expect her to understand that you are saying: “I love you.” Words can change a person’s life, you can win someone’s heart or create an enemy for life by using words. People can kill other people if they choose the wrong word or abuse them with some brutal words.

    Knowing theossa is a mathematician, I gave the example of binary numbers 01 which are the basis of binary language or the language that is used in computers. I must have stumbled across Veyselic Numbers while I was doing some research on binary numbers and the importance of numbers in Qur’an.

    I never knew that one day I would be honoured to meet a living legend called Veyselic Peru, the inventor of Veyselic Numbers who stunned me like the great mathematician legend Srinivasa Ramunajam and he would find me on the Internet, on this cricket blog called http://www.legslip.com wow, I am impressed.

    Like, you I have also wondered why this binary number 01 is used in Arabic / Urdu style .1 ? Instead of the Roman 10?

    And, I have also read about the importance of numbers in Qur’an, the figure 19 in Surah Al- Muddaththir 74:30 and its explanation. Also, in various other verses like Surah Al-Nisa, Surah Al Dhuriyat etc. how Allah has explained and clarified about creating pairs: It says: “Wa min kulli shai’in halakna zavjayni leallekum tezekkerun.” or, “And of every thing We have created pairs.” that ye may reflect. All the creatures are pairs, i.e. they are even, not odd, like the number zero.

    Your explanation was very meaningful and powerful when you wrote. “imagine that there is one and only 1 (”Ehad”), and many zeroes (”Kesret”): The zeroes cannot exist without the one (Samed). The zeroes must be on the left of 1 (According to Veyselic Numbers), meaning that they prostrate to Allah.” Thats a beautiful explanation.

    Yes, I am originally from Pakistan and live in Canada, been to Turkey 4 times, I love Turkey and Turkish people, food, the history and culture, and the way they respect us and show their hospitality, it is amazing. Do you watch the TV serial called Numb3rs? I do, they show how crimes can be solved using mathematical algorithms etc.

    When learning abc and 123 my 14 months old son refused to count eleven, twelve even thirteen. He insisted on saying oneteen, twoteen, threeteen, fourteen, fiveteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twoten 20, threeten30, fourten40, and tenten for 100. No one paid much attention to his protest and he lost interest in maths. When I told this to my Dad, he said, I did the same as a kid, I used to count numbers adding and multiplying them into millions, any number that was given to me, I used to keep doubling it and in every party at home or at my dad’s friends, I was surrounded by my dad’s friends who used to test my maths.

    I didn’t like that kinda attention and stopped doing it and as a high school student I used to hate maths. But, even today there is something inside me, a kinda burning desire that I want to solve the mysteries through numbers and art. But, I don’t think I will do anything or achieve anything significant because, I have too much on my plate and I get distracted by so many other things.

    I was the best artist in my school and used to draw and sketch portraits just like that but, that too I stopped and started Arabic Calligraphy after I was inspired by Sadeqain and when I went to Turkey, I spent a lot of time in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul and started doing my Calligraphy again, but that too didn’t last long, like I said, too many things in life and I have not been able to sort out my priorities. This reminds me of Faiz Ahmad Faiz’s verse.

    Duniya nay teri yaad say bay gana ker diya
    Tujh say bhee dil faraib hain gham roz gaar kay!

    Its hard to explain the meaning in English. If you insist upon knowing the meaning, I will try some other time, but right now I have to go. Once again, thank you for those compliments, but you deserve a lot more than what you got, your work is great. Wish you all the best.


  55. #55 by khansahab on September 23, 2008 - 6:27 PM

    I can play for four more years: Akhtar

    Pakistan speedster Shoaib Akhtar has said he is a wiser man these days, and has expressed that he is good enough to last four more years at least.

    Shoaib, currently playing for English county-side Surrey, is fighting a court-case which is posing a hurdle to his selection into the Pakistan team. The Pakistan speedster is also desperate to prove his form and fitness to the Pakistan selectors, so they give him the nod for the Toronto Twenty20 tournament.

    The 33-year old told Sky Sports News that he was a wiser person now, after all the troubles and controversies he had gone through in his life. He said, “Trouble comes and goes over your career. You are put through certain situations in your life that you have to get through to make you a better person.

    “I have been put through those situations and I have learned a lot.

    He also said he was keen to get back to the Pakistan colours, and was looking at playing for at lease four more years. He said, “I’m going to bowl again and I’m going to play again for another four years and show everyone how good I am.

    Shoaib also said he was glad that the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) was going to have a new set of administrators, who he said, had better cricketing brains. He said, “We will have better cricket brains running cricket in Pakistan that will look after the cricketers,”

    “We have been given that assurance we can just go out and play and they will look after matters off the field.

    “That is important for the Pakistan cricket side so that they can play the best they can.”

  56. #56 by khansahab on September 23, 2008 - 6:28 PM

    Shoaib can’t perform for country: Pak selectors

    Following Pakistan speedster Shoaib Akhtar’s dismal performance in county cricket while representing Surrey, taking only two wickets for 150 runs in his previous match against Hampshire, the PCB selectors have cast apprehensions over his fitness and future role in the national team.

    “Shoaib’s form is really a matter for concern for the selectors. If he cannot deliver for a county, how he could do for the country,” The News quoted one of the selectors as saying.

    The selector expressed his doubt over his future role as a leading bowler for Pakistan. “One thing is now almost clear that he would find it hard to deliver in the longer version of the game. Keep twenty20 aside where a bowler has to bowl just four overs, it would be difficult for Shoaib to be an affective bowler in the longer version of the game,” the selector said.

    The selectors questioned Shoaib’s role in the Pakistan team, considering the fact that Surrey team management didn’t have enough confidence in him and didn’t let him open bowling attack for the team.

    Shoaib had finished with poor bowling figures of 0-63 while representing Surrey against Nottinghamshire in the English County Championship on Friday.

    Shoaib represented Surrey in two matches and returned just one wicket — that he got in previous match against Hampshire, conceding over 150 runs in the process.

    Meanwhile, the PCB is waiting for the outcome of Monday’s hearing in Lahore High Court, before making plans on his selection for the Toronto (Canada) event.

    “The PCB has sought the LHC’s opinion on whether to consider Shoaib for the twenty20 event without his submitting the seven million rupees fine. It would only be after that we would be able to know whether we should consider him for selection. Even if we get a green signal from the Lahore High Court, the selection committee faces a tough decision on Shoaib’s selection considering his form and fitness,” said the paper.

  57. #57 by khansahab on September 23, 2008 - 6:36 PM

    Wasim Akram to judge TV dance show

    Bollywood actress Sushmita Sen and former Pakistani cricketer Wasim Akram will judge the new TV reality show Ek Khiladi Ek Hasina.

    The dance based reality show will feature a team of a cricketer and a TV actress competing against other teams. The trailers of the show are being aired on channel Colors.
    Though the channel refused to divulge the names of the participants, a reliable source said that Irfan Pathan, Vinod Kambli, Dinesh Karthik, S. Sreesanth, Parthiv Patel, Shama Sikander and Shweta Salve might be participating in the show. Ek Khiladi Ek Hasina will be aired once the ongoing season of Bigg Boss comes to an end.

  58. #58 by khansahab on September 23, 2008 - 6:49 PM

    Shahid Afridi’s third child was born recently in Ramzan, a baby girl.

    Afridi is also taking part in a scheme implemented by Syed Mustafa Kamal, the mayor of Karachi, whereby normal citizens give away two hours of their life to do community service. Afridi will be managing traffic in a Karachi town for two hours. However, being a high profile celebrity he will be accompanied by the mayor while he is doing the job!

  59. #59 by Veysel Peru on September 24, 2008 - 9:07 AM

    Dear Mr Javed A Khan,

    You made me extremely happy with your compliments and ideas. Thank you. You cannot imagine how few people understands my thoughts as much as you do, in fact I think it iz zero for now. I am not also a mathematician, I am a computer engineer. If you don’t mind, I want to have your mail address for I have got some other things to say to you. I see that you are a very busy person but since I found you I don’t want to miss you. So, can you please send me an e-mail to address: veyselperu@hotmail.com ?

    Veysel Peru

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