KUMBLE RETIRES FROM INTERNATIONAL CRICKET

The Legslip Management pays tribute to India’s greatest “unsung” matchwinner

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The retirement decision came too late perhaps, but Kumble targeted it for the right moment

The retirement decision came too late perhaps, but Kumble executed it at the right moment

Anil Kumble, like many great cricketers, was enigmatic for most of his career. He was a legspinner with an aggression and appetite of a fast bowler. Unlike most legspinners, he was never a great turner of the ball and instead relied more on variation in flight, pace and angle to pick wickets.

Hence, Kumble provided international cricket with a package that was perhaps never seen before- he was tall, aggressive, hungry for wickets and his legspin was unconventional. Yet Kumble was an immensely successful bowler and more than natural ability with the ball or his wrists, it was his combative mindset and sheer intelligence that enabled him to make a name for himself.

Consider Kumble’s technique against Inzamam for instance. Few bowlers troubled Inzamam more than Kumble did and Kumble nearly always succeeded in trapping the legendary batsman before his wickets. Kumble was also gifted in the sense of, pitching the delivery at the exact location where he wanted it to land. It was this continuous meticulous effort of being accurate with the line and length that forced the batsmen to make mistakes against Kumble. In fact at times you almost felt he was a mind reader.

Much like how Tendulkar for most of his career carried the weight of the Indian batting on his shoulders, Kumble was India's trump card when it came to bowling

Much like how Tendulkar for most of his career carried the weight of the Indian batting on his shoulders, Kumble was India's trump card when it came to bowling

Kumble never received the appreciation he deserved. His consistency was never in doubt and despite being known in circles as an aggressive and intelligent cricketer, he was considered for captaincy too late; when he had already been playing international cricket for 17 years. Kumble’s record as captain (3 wins, 6 draws and 5 losses) may not seem outstanding, but as a captain he was shrewd and tactful. Perhaps a good way to phrase it is, that Kumble was not particularly bad; Dhoni is just too good.

619 Test wickets at an average of 29.65 and strike rate of 66; somehow one never really saw the value in these figures as the Indian batting maestros Tendulkar, Dravid and Ganguly always stole the limelight. Yet Kumble was very modest and humble and never asked for undue appreciation. We give credit to Tendulkar for being the torch bearer of comtemporary Indian batting mastery, yet we seldom give Kumble credit for being arguably India’s most successful bowler ever; Kumble, with 619 Test wickets, is the 3rd highest wicket taker in Test cricket, after Murali and Warne.

Speaking of Murali and Warne, they were perhaps in a different league to Kumble as their bowling strike rates demonstrate. Yet when it comes to how useful a bowler is for his team, Kumble was never any less than Warne or Kumble. Warne had McGrath by his side and he also had Brett Lee; Kumble, for most of his career, did not play with any world class bowler who could give him support from the other end. In fact, Harbhajan only really came into the limelight when Kumble had already started fading as a world class spinner.

India's unsung matchwinner- all the way.......

India's unsung matchwinner- all the way.....

Kumble had setbacks and controversies in his career, but he was always picking up wickets and applying pressure on the opposition. Kumble was never very animated, nor was he ever excessively reserved- he applied a balance to his game and he was always up for a challenge. If one considers the ratio of India’s victories to Kumble’s 4 or 5 wicket hauls, one would genuinely discover Kumble’s value to the Indian team.

Anil Kumble will be an icon for his heroic qualities- his mental strength, his resilience but most of all, his modesty and relentless consistency despite being deprived of most of the limelight by Tendulkar, Dravid and Ganguly. The point of being a hero is, believing in a cause and accomplishing it even if if you don’t get your due for it. That is what heroes are made up of, and Kumble was the definitive Indian hero. He retires as a great model for Indian youngsters, and he will be remembered as India’s greatest unsung matchwinner.

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  1. #1 by Jehanzeb Khan Niazi on November 2, 2008 - 3:59 PM

    I have not been able to see any of these test matches except following it on computer, Kumble’s retirement was expected and it happened my guess is the BCCI wanted him to play at Delhi so that he retires on a high note but that didn’t happen the match slipped out of India’s grip from the second day owing to late declaration and defensive captaincy. Dhoni is now the man for India and it is time for Dravid to join Kumble as Ganguly has already announced his retirement even Laxman should retire now on a high note after being declared player of the match he should make room for someone new for the last test, but they will not do it because if Australia wins the series will be drawn so India wants to win the series and not take chances with the other seniors but Dravid is totally lacking in form. The good thing coming out of Kumble’s retirement is not just Dhoni taking over but Harbhajan coming in to replace him, he should be able to do some damage at Nagpur. This thread is dedicated to Kumble like everyone writing to bid him farewell, as a bowler he was good but as a captain he is mediocre in fact his captaincy is a negative element for India so I think its good for India.

  2. #2 by Varun Suri on November 2, 2008 - 4:20 PM

    Dear khansahab,

    I take this opportunity to congratulate you for yet another piece of fair assessment of the current situation. In all your Cricket Articles you have always been very fair, impartial and provided a general overview with which most of the people would generally agree. We need more writers and journalists like you, especially in India.

    I would like to tell you something about Kumble now, It just so happens that i went to the same Engineering College in Bangalore where he did his Electrical Engineering, of course he was many years senior to us and was already playing for India when i started my Engineering in 1998, but he used to still return to play cricket sometimes on our college pitch as it was one of the better ones in Bangalore. Although i never got to meet him personally but if there is one thing which sums up his commitment and hunger for success in this game is the way he took his last Wicket in Test Cricket.

    I sincerely hope that our ever dis-satisfied public and media with their insatiable desire to expect wonders from their once upon a time “heroes” , for once leave them alone in their moment of glory.

    Now that Dhoni Babua is back along with Turbanator, it would be make up a nice contest between a re-surgent Australian side and a comparatively more aggressive Indian side.

    There are talks of Wasim Jaffer replacing Gambhir if his ban is still upheld. I don;t understand why they still are considering him when we have 2 other specialist openers in Aakash Chopra and Virat Kohli or for that matter other batsmen like Badrinath or Pujara. Jaffer should be left to concentrate on next year’s IPL where he would be opening with Dravid for Bangalore’s team.

  3. #3 by khansahab on November 2, 2008 - 4:34 PM

    Varun

    Thanks for your appreciation; it means a lot to me.

    I’ve been called a good writer before- but never an impartial one, and the latter makes me prouder by the way!

    Thanks!

  4. #4 by Amit. P on November 2, 2008 - 7:56 PM

    I am more impressed with the way Kumble takes this decision. This series is still on …. and the trophy can go either way, he chooses not to pose uncomfortable questions to selectors (considering his form and fitness) and quietly call off his day. These are some traits, not to mention his never say die attitude and off the field gentleman behavior, that you bound to love this guy. He has been the greatest match winner for india for atleast 10 years or so. Now its upto the current team to gift him series victory as a souvenir. He thoroughly deserve this.

  5. #5 by Varun Suri on November 2, 2008 - 9:12 PM

    Not that it makes much of a difference, but a minor Correction:- Kumble did his Engineering in Mechanical Engineering and not Electrical as i had earlier written.

  6. #6 by khansahab on November 3, 2008 - 10:20 AM

    Muhammad Yousaf joins ICL: sources

    LAHORE: Pakistan middle-order batsman Muhammad Yousaf has joined the rebel Indian Cricket League (ICL).

    According to sources, after a long legal wrangle with the ICL, senior batsman Mohammad Yousaf has finally joined the rebel Twenty20 league. He had signed an agreement with the ICL two years back, but following talks with former PCB Chairman Dr. Nasim Ashraf he didn’t join the league.

    Pakistan Cricket Board had sent his name for BCCI’s governed Indian Premier League (IPL). In response, ICL started legal recourse against him. Yousaf could not feature in IPL T20 event too.

    On the other hand, PCB’s Director General Salim Altaf has said that Yousaf is going on a private visit to India.

  7. #7 by khansahab on November 3, 2008 - 10:23 AM

    The Selection Committee headed by Mr. Saleem Jaffer has announced following players for the 3 ODIs (12th, 14th and 16th November) against West Indies in Abu Dhabi. The squad is as follows:

    1. Shoaib Malik – Captain
    2. Misbah-ul-Haq – Vice Captain
    3. Salman Butt
    4. Nasir Jamshed
    5. Younis Khan
    6. Mohammad Yousuf
    7. Shahid Afridi
    8. Kamran Akmal – WicketKeeper
    9. Sohail Tanvir
    10. Shoaib Akhtar
    11. Umar Gull
    12. Iftikhar Anjum
    13. Fawad Alam
    14. Abdur Rauf
    15. Saeed Ajmal

    Reserves:
    1. Sohail Khan
    2. Yasir Arafat
    3. Khalid Latif

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 3, 2008 - 1:54 PM

    Shoaib Akhtar in the team again? How long will they try this guy? He is a spent force, just leave the once upon a time “Rawalpindi Express” the engine is steam less and needs to be left at the junkyard to shunt or to stay in the museum. Give Sohail Khan the chance he is young, dynamic, energetic and he needs confidence.

    If Mohammad Yousuf has joined the ICL, then will he still be in the squad for Abu Dhabi? And why is Saleem Altaf covering MoYo’s visit to India as a private one? For sure well all know he is not going to appear in any ads nor any of his family member lives in India, the only reason he must be there is sort out with ICL i.e., whether he will play for them or not?

    Shoaib Khan has been dropped and Nasir Jamshed is back in the team. So, the criticism works? As long as it is a healthy criticism it should be accepted and implemented. Therefore, it is about time they recognize the need to change the captain and make Shahid Afridi the new captain of Pakistan team from January 01, 2009.

  9. #9 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 3, 2008 - 2:02 PM

    Varun

    Even after Gambhir scoring a double hundred, you think they will replace him with Jaffar? Thats a very stupid decision if they take it. The only change should be Bhajji in place of Kumble, thats it. Let this team finish off on a high note.

    I know that the Australians will come back very strongly and that little unassuming guy called MJ Clarke always plays wonders for them. Ponting’s big innings is also due, like Hayden came so close to register his hundred but then he got out in the eighties. Hussey, Ponting and MJ are the ones who might be the danger men in batting.

    It is good that Kumble has called it a day after this test match and after the final test, I would like to see Dravid, Laxman and even Tendulkar should do the same, especially if India wins and they score well. There is no point in becoming a drag and then get dropped. For Dravid’s gentlemanly behaviour I want him to play one big innings, his last one. He is the overall best guy in my books. I wish him good luck.

  10. #10 by Varun Suri on November 3, 2008 - 2:47 PM

    Javed,

    I did talk about replacing Gambhir, It is just in case the Ban on him is upheld and he is unable to take part in the 3rd Test…

    I totally agree that Shoaib Akhtar should be asked to prove his match fitness and performance before he is inducted in the Pakistani First Eleven. Depending on the reuslts of this series maybe the Pakistani Selectors will consider a change of captain and Afridi might get his chance?

    “I am agree” with Dravid and Laxman also quitting one by one soon maybe by the end of England series. Although I have always been more “Ganguly-Centric” and never worshipped Sachin as many other Indians do, I will still say that he is still a very useful player for this team, he is still a quick runner, his fielding whether it is catching or throwing from the boundary is still as good as any other Youngster, only thing is his Bowling has suffered due to injuries and loss of form. I don’t see any Yooungster taking his place based on his current form. I don;t know much about the future but atleast he will play without any doubts until the end of this season when India plays Pakistan. I don’t think he will struggle against any of the English Bowlers and eventully do enough to prove his place for the Pakistan Series.

    While a part of the criticism on Ganguly and Laxman was due to their fielding and running between the wickets, I don’t see any reason to criticise only Sachin at the moment or for that matter Srilanka series where all the Seniors struggled. He might not be his usual self nor his presence on the field intimidates the opposition the way it used to before but still in the current situation he is one of the important senior members and I don’t see any replacement
    (Raina/Sharma/Badri/Kaif/Yuvraj/Utthapa) for him atleast until the Pakistan Series.

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 3, 2008 - 3:56 PM

    Dear Varun

    Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the ban thingi, as I did not follow the match with any interest when it was heading for a draw. Sometimes I don’t read cricinfo for days, this weekend I was very busy eating out. 🙂

  12. #12 by Sachin on November 3, 2008 - 5:53 PM

    Before we start screaming for Sachin’s head, let us look at the numbers over past 12 months:

    Sachin: Matches 13 (2 PAK, 7 AUS, 3 SL, 1 SA), Total runs: 1002, Highest: 154*, Average: 47.71, Centuries: 2
    Ponting: Matches 12 (2 SL, 7 IND, 3 WI), Total runs: 965, Highest: 158, Average: 48.25, Centuries: 3

    and last 12 months of Inzamam’s career:
    Matches 7 (3 WI, 4 SA), Total runs: 332, Highest 92*, Average: 30.18, Centuries: 0

    I am sure Javed A. Khan would like to see Sachin retire right this minute, but he is far from being a drag. Case closed.

  13. #13 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 3, 2008 - 7:09 PM

    Array SachinWa,

    You are the same ‘Sachin fan’ from California who used to write on PS and bowl googlies at me? Anyways, you are welcome to the blog. Thank you for writing and taking up the trouble of quoting the stats, much appreciated.

    The reason I have asked for his retirement along with other seniors is, there is always a time to exit with grace, dignity and style rather than going out like any ordinary person. Its become a tradition in India and Pakistan that legends keep on playing till such time they become a drag e.g., Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Ganguly and now even Dravid is going through that same lean phase.

    Varun has given his opinion on Sachin and feels that he can still be in the team because of his fielding and batting. The point is Tendulkar doesn’t need to be included in the team on the basis of anything else but, his batting. I don’t know whether those two centuries were against Australia? But, its a fact that Tendulkar has not been the same threat to the opposition as he used to be and this is not just during these 12 months, for the last 3 years or so he is just like any other batsman owing to injuries or whatever.

    Since you are his die hard fan and you don’t want to get exhausted and labeled as an exhausted fan, you may continue to support him and shower praise and accolades over him and, if he continues to show poor performance then it won’t be a graceful retirement for him. Imran Khan is remembered for retiring at the right time. Marilyn Monroe & Elvis have become legends in the US for dying at young age. So is Madhubala remembered as a beautiful lady, so that is how people perceive about them. And my comment was in his support and not to criticize him. Since you want Tendulkar to play, why are you closing his case? 🙂

  14. #14 by khansahab on November 3, 2008 - 7:24 PM

    Sachin

    Welcome to LS.

    The point is not about comparing Inzamam with Sachin Tendulkar- Tendulkar will always be a greater player, and probably the best batsman of all time.

    What Javed A Khan has been trying to say is that Tendulkar is not the same invulnerable player he used to be, and that a youngster in his position can serve India better. That is probably a judicious observation, since India has produced such talented and consistent youngsters of late such as Dhoni or Raina.

    You have considered Tendulkar’s statistics in the past year but if you consider his performance against other players like Gambhir, Dhoni, Raina and Sehwag, you will probably see the dip in his consistency.

    Meanwhile on the Pakistan front, it is being rumoured that Aaqib Javed has been appointed as the new assistant coach of the Pakistan team.

  15. #15 by Sachin on November 3, 2008 - 7:44 PM

    Javed,

    It is not a question of praising or worshiping or throwing accolades. Strictly from a human resources perspective, a batsman who scores at 47 average over 12 months against top test teams is not worth firing. I don’t care if his performance has declined. Is he worth his place in the team based on his **current** numbers? FYI, both centuries in the past year are against Australia in Australia: 154 in Sydney and 153 in Adelaide. You say he is now “just like any other batsman”. Really, Javed? 47 average with two centuries against Australia on their home turf? I understand you are the anti-fan, and you have the right to be so if you like, but the numbers are not in your favor at this moment.

    There is a fundamental difference between entertainers (Monroe, Madhubala) and sportsmen in team sports. Retiring at the peak is exactly the sort of selfish decision that team sportsmen cannot take. Sachin should retire when there is somebody else who can bat better than him at his batting position. And there frankly is none.

  16. #16 by Sachin on November 3, 2008 - 7:52 PM

    Khansahab,

    Dhoni’s and Raina’s (or Yuvi’s) numbers in tests are nowhere near Tendulkar’s, even in his current form. Check for yourself on cricinfo. And it is not as if they have not had the opportunities.

    Sehwag and Gambhir are openers, not middle order batsmen. They are not competing for the same slot.

    When Dravid, VVS, Ganguly retire, there will be three open slots, and only one worthy contender, Badrinath. Talented and consistent youngsters? Which ones?

  17. #17 by khansahab on November 3, 2008 - 8:19 PM

    Sachin

    I am not arguing with you for argument’s sake- I have always considered Tendulkar to be the best batsman, even better than Lara; although I am not a big fan of Tendulkar’s shots or gameplay.

    Tendulkar is still a good batsman but his consistency has declined. Averages can denote a player’s standard of performance over a passage of time but they don’t always reflect consistency. Shoaib Malik averages more now than he did 2 years ago, but it is a fact that he was more consistent back then.

    This is not to take any credit away from your judgement, but a considerable number of Sachin supporters even in India want him to quit cricket. I understand you are a die hard fan and for that reason I respect your opinions.

    The general public is very fickle and changes its opinions with circumstances. I can assure you if Sachin had not scored the few fifties he did in this series, the public would have raised a huge outcry asking for him to retire. Prior to this series most Indian fans were saying that Sachin should quit once he breaks Lara’s record. This was reflected in one of our polls on Legslip, as well. Now that Sachin has performed decently in this series, people will start supporting him to play for as long as he can.

    This doesn’t change the fact though, that over the past 2 or 3 years Sachin has only appeared a shadow of his past and that there is increasing pressure on him to retire with the passage of every series.

  18. #18 by khansahab on November 3, 2008 - 9:51 PM

    Again, a disgraceful incident for the PCB.

    Yousuf is in India and it is rumoured he is all set to join ICL. Yet the PCB has termed it as a “private visit” and my guess is they are clueless as to what is really going on. What a disgrace for an already disgraced board.

    And we were told things would get better once Ijaz Butt came to power!

  19. #19 by Sachin on November 3, 2008 - 9:59 PM

    Khansahab,

    Would be easier to discuss this if you could define “consistency” in numerical terms. It is besides the point if he is a shadow of his old self or if there is increasing pressure on him or what your or anybody else’ polls say. Your example of Malik does not apply here. His innings this year are against far weaker teams and hence his average is inflated. That is certainly not the case with the stats I quoted.

    Once you define what you mean by consistency, let us measure how Dhoni, Yuvi, Kaif, Raina, Karthik et al stack up on that metric against Tendulkar. Let us also measure how Ponting has done on that metric. I single out Ponting, because he has been long marked as the next person to break the record.

    It is also besides the point whether or not Sachin is the greatest batsman ever. Who cares? The point under discussion is: is he worth is place in the team based on how he is performing at this point? If the shadow is scoring, does it matter if it is the shadow?

  20. #20 by khansahab on November 3, 2008 - 10:07 PM

    Sachin

    By consistency I mean, how regularly a batsman makes sizable scores. Previously Malik scored more regularly in 30s and 40s; now that his consistency has declined we don’t see that pattern from him. The reason why a player like Younis Khan, despite being one of the best batsmen in Pakistan, is not considered very consistent is because if he scores more than 30-35 he goes on to make a very big score, but we don’t see him scoring very often in the 40s-60s, for instance.

    I still maintain, if Tendulkar had not scored any fifties in this Test series there would have been undue pressure on him to retire. That is the line I am trying to draw between the Tendulkar of yesteryears and the Tendulkar of today.

    I accept your point that Tendulkar is still worthy of a place in the ODI and Test side, but I can guarantee you that if India introduce a new youngster in his place you will not see a deterioration in the team’s performance. In fact you may see an improvement.

  21. #21 by Varun Suri on November 3, 2008 - 10:32 PM

    Not with any intention to prolong this cliched debate and with all due respect to Sachin and Sachin’s fan, I hate whenever someone brings Statistics and Numbers all the time. They never tell the whole story completely.

    Sachin deserved to be drop a little while ago when his form dipped just as Dravid”s form has dipped currently and like how Ganguly was dropped in 2005. However, Since the last season except the Srilanka series, his performance is acceptable and none of the outsiders are worthy of his position.

    Javed,

    When you say that Tendulkar needs to be in the team just because of his batting then ” i am agree …not” with you BE-AAZ:-

    1. If you say this about Ganguly n Laxman, then i will accept it as everyone knows Fielding and Running are their weak points so they should be expected to make up for it by their Batting. But Tendulkar has always been a fit fielder and a decent bowler so one is lowering the bar for him if one says that he should only be required to bat and bat long.

    2.I can give you many examples when he did not contributed with the bat but did took some valuable wickets, this is something which is forgotten about him very easily, when we are talking about him. It is this aspect of Tendulkar along with his decent fielding which makes him a complete Cricketer. It is true now he’s almost stopped bowling but it is also true that there is no “Worthy” successor for the Little Master at the moment.

    khansahab,

    “V R LIKE THIS ONE-LY””

    You are right when you say that if he had not performed decently against the Australians, then all of us would have been after his neck!! Well, that’s the fact of life if you play Cricket for India or Pakistan. That’s why my position is quite neutral in this regard. Let him decide when his body gives up or his hunger for runs dries up or simply when he has had enough of it!!!!

    Í don’t think Srikanth or Hirwani have the balls to remove Tendulkar, the only person who can do it is “HAMAR CHATUR DHONIYA”!!

  22. #22 by Sachin on November 3, 2008 - 10:54 PM

    Khansahab,

    Okay, let us accept your definition of consistency. Not counting innings against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe:

    Year ending Nov 03, 2000: Sachin scored >= 30 in 50% innings.
    Year ending Nov 03, 2001: Sachin scored >= 30 in 50% innings.
    Year ending Nov 03, 2002: Sachin scored >= 30 in 59% innings.
    Year ending Nov 03, 2003: Sachin scored >= 30 in 37% innings.
    Year ending Nov 03, 2004: Sachin scored >= 30 in 40% innings.

    verus

    Year ending Nov 03, 2008: Sachin scored >= 30 in 46% innings.

    I am sorry, but 46% is again somewhere in the middle, so does not support your argument that his consistency is declining.

    About your logic of “Sachin should be dropped because, had he not performed in this series, everyone would have probably screamed for his neck” — it is equivalent to “we should vote for Sarah Palin because, had she not said stupid things on TV we would have probably thought of her as intelligent.” The fact of the matter is, you cannot replace a good series by a hypothetical bad one and argue your case. Being a lawyer, I would have expected better from you.

  23. #23 by khansahab on November 3, 2008 - 11:04 PM

    Sachin

    Give me some time- I’m not a lawyer…….yet 🙂

    Why are you so angry man? We all like Sachin Tendulkar on this blog.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 3, 2008 - 11:20 PM

    Sachin & Varun;

    Let me rephrase or clarify my statement. When I said, I want him to retire – thats because I want him to be respected by the whole world for what he is and, what he did in the cricket world – imagine if his form starts to decline like Dravid’s? And he actually becomes a drag. Like khansahab said, Tendulkar is a shadow of his past, no one is comparing him with any other player but, him.

    And, you are the one who brought Inzamam and Ponting in between and started to compare him with them, that is what Imran Khan did, in fact he always creates a “Shosha” to create a controversy, like KA does on PS to create controversy.

    Besides saying what I’ve said above that I want him to be respected like a true legend, I also wanted to see how our regular Indian bloggers would react on my coment? You see if I had said, MoYo should retire or Shoaib Akhtar should be dumped, you guys might have said: “I am agree” and thats it, may be someone might have said, Oh no Moyo should play for another year or two. But, imo he should only play test matches and no ODI or T20.

    But, I never thought that my provocation will bring Sachin fan to LS. Since you are here, keep on writing.

  25. #25 by Sachin on November 3, 2008 - 11:37 PM

    I am not angry at all. It is also not about liking or disliking someone. Or about being a fan or not. Or patriotic. Just that I am a statistician by profession and I get bummed when people see patterns without being specific.

    The dude is a professional sportsman. Let us leave emotion out of it and analyze the situation as it is. His performance has declined. Everyone declines with age. He is still delivering at a level where most of his colleagues worldwide do not, and if I were his boss evaluating whether to fire him and replace by someone else, I would keep him for some more time. Yanking 5 members of your team of 11 in one shot is not judicious.

    I was tempted to jump in the discussion when Dhoni’s declaration in Mohali was termed “defensive”. It is surprising how little respect we have for these people. They are professionals at the highest level of their chosen profession. They earn millions of dollars for doing what they do. They have competed against millions of wannabes to be where they are. To presume that we know more about their own field of expertise and dismiss their judgment is plain funny at best and monday-morning-quarterbacking at worst.

  26. #26 by khansahab on November 4, 2008 - 12:07 AM

    Sachin

    If we are to leave these professionals to their own devices then there is no point in having cricket blogs.

    You deny being angry but you seem fairly incensed at us for discussing strategy.

    I also find it odd that whereas you expect us to respect the players’ judgements over ours because they are professionals, you have used your judgement to demean my analysis of Tendulkar in saying you did not expect this from “a lawyer”. So unless you are a qualified lawyer or hail from a legal background, I can say the same for you, that you should not judge my views.

    No one is presuming to know more than these professional cricketers, we are merely formulating opinions and providing recommendations. What is the whole point of discussion when we cannot form an opinion about a player’s decline in form, or a captain’s decision to declare?

    Firstly, we all respect Indian cricketers on this blog especially owing to the brilliant form of the Indian team these days, so I don’t know what prompted you to suggest we show little respect. We show more disrespect for Pakistani cricketers because Pakistan cricket is in a state of decline. Secondly, cricket is the second most popular spectator sport in the world; hence these people get paid millions of dollars. They are not intellectuals or academics; they are sportsmen and hence writers who have the benefit of greater wisdom and analytical skills can scrutinise their actions with some merit.

    If we can criticise the judgements of politicians, professionals like doctors, lawyers, accountants etc, statisticians, even manual labourers like plumbers and tilers, why can we not criticise the judgement of cricketers? Cricket is not quantum physics or rocket science.

  27. #27 by Varun Suri on November 4, 2008 - 12:56 AM

    A long post( by my standards!!)

    My most important reason to keep Sachin still in the team is because i am sure Dravid will hang up his boots very soon so that will leave the team without 3 of his most senior players and it makes more sense to phase out Laxman and Sachin a little while later. As far as they becoming a drag, I am sure the kind of Pressure they are every-day these-days, they will not choose to wait any longer and go away from the Game the moment it becomes apparent to them that they don”t have it in them anymore just like Kumble felt 2 days back. Moreover it’s not a 20-20 Game where you can suddenly put in 5 Youngsters and expect them to deliver. All of “Youngistan” players are young and age is on their side except probably Badrinath who is nearing 30’s but soon he should be in the team as Srikanth is the selector now!!

    The legacy of a Player is created (besides Records and Stats) by his fans both good-willing and bad-willing, but in general if the Code and Conduct of the Player is acceptable throughout his playing career then mostly people tend to remember the good things and it does n’t really matter what you or me or any 3rd person thinks about a player, what matters is what the Majority of the people think for example within India the Tendulkar v/s Ganguly v/s Dravid debate will go on forever but in General the World will always remember Tendulkar as second to Don where-as it doesn’t really matter that, for me out of the 3, Dada will always be No.1.

    It is in this regard that whenever i try to comment on Cricket i try to suppress my personal views and try to reflect on the “Aam Junta”‘s view or People’s view, considering that there was no reason to bring in the name of Ponting or Inzamam in this debate and ‘SaChIn’, if you think there is no-body in India who wouldn’t be after Tendulkar’s neck then maybe you are sitting quite Cosily in Calfiornia!! You only have to read some of the Forums and Blogs forget the permanent “”BREAKING NEWS” Indian Media to get a feel of how many different views exist on any such topic in today’s India!!

    In a country like India one only has to imagine for a while a scenario if he was not from Mumbai but from say Chennai or Jammu. Maybe he c/would have also been “rested” for a while when he had one of his dips in the past!!!

    I would request you to stop digging all such Statistics as it only shows how much of Inferiority Complex you have about your namesake. If you are really sure about his abilities, like i am, then do not go on and on and everywhere giving justifications for what you believe.

    Regarding MoYo joining ICL? How can he join ICL without PCB’s permission? Are you not supposed to get permission from your board or this IPL/ICL nexus have bigger powers??
    and why is he getting himself entangled between IPL and ICL both? PCB needs to seriously keep him in the loop for the Tests! Does he have any supporters/sympathisers in the current Pakistan Team/Management?

    As far as Shoaib is concerned tum logo ne hi uski itni utar di hai ki kuch bacha hi nahi hai bolne ko uske baarein main?

    While the news of Aaqib Javed being appointed the assistant coach is some good news as atleast one of the recent-decent players would be available to mentor the team most of the others are either busy across the border or in County Cricket. I still remember him ( the way few remember Kumble’s 10 at Kotla:):)) for that devastating spell in Sharjah!!!

    as i had said before …all in good spirits!!

  28. #28 by Sachin on November 4, 2008 - 1:04 AM

    well. first of all, the lawyer comment was unnecessarily sarcastic, so I apologize.

    Secondly, if you believe you and I or other bloggers possess some sort of greater wisdom than say Tendulkar or Dravid or for that matter Ponting or Lara or Imran or Inzamam, I would respectfully disagree. These folks may not be as educated, but the sheer fact that they have succeeded for a long time in a competitive and cut-throat environment goes on to say that they are highly intelligent motivated hardworking people with tremendous decision making and risk analysis skills. They are by no means morons. The fact that they are not intellectuals or academics means nothing when it comes to their field of expertise.

    V. Anand is the world champion in chess, although he is not an academic or an intellectual. I think most people would hesitate to think that they have greater wisdom or analytical skills than him. I wonder why a Tendulkar or a Dhoni or an Inzamam does not qualify for the same respect re their intelligence and decision making. Cricket may not be rocket science, but when faced with a ball at 150 ks, I would trust Tendulkar’s neurons to make a better choice than mine, academics and “wisdom” notwithstanding.

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2008 - 4:17 AM

    After posting my last comment I had to go and finish off a few things at work and then, it was dinner time. Now I am back to read the response. It seems like Sachin fan is facing 1=3 opposition. That should not deter him from expressing what he has to say. Diversity and difference of opinion is always good if it is discussed in a healthy atmosphere. I am sure, neither khansahab nor Varun are trying to take anyone’s side, we all are expressing our views as we see them and, as we feel them.

    The point about intelligence, wisdom raised by Sachin fan that these folks (Tendulkar, Dhoni, Ponting, Inzamam or Imran) possess more wisdom, knowledge and intelligence than us (bloggers) is a very weak statement from Sachin fan.

    Because, you have no idea about me or my background or my achievements or, Varun or khansahab or for that matter Awas, Dr. Salman Khan from Australia or theossa etc. But, you know a little bit about these guys from the game and now they have become, so called celebrities and, you are impressed by their game and the millions of dollars they are earning now. What about those players before them who did not earn as much money as them? Like, Umrigar, Manjrekar, Hanif Mohammad, Fazal Mahmood etc. There is a sudden change in income of these players due to the media explosion, through sponsor money and now this IPL etc.

    About their wisdom, you take them out of the field (with the exception of a few) they are all dimwit dolts, simpletons of the highest degree. Just look at Mohammad Asif the druggie or the captain of Pakistan team Shoaib Malik or Imran Nazir and see how they speak and see how Praveen Kumar talks or, the son of a Gunner, the two finger King of spin Ajanta the Mendis, he can’t speak a word of English. Do you think they have the knowledge of this world in which they are living? I am sure Mendis may not have heard the name of Ajman before he won the player of the tournament award and won that apartment in Ajman, UAE.

    Javed Miandad is supposed to have the best cricketing brain and Imran has said this many times, there is no doubt that Miandad used to read the strength and weaknesses of all the players better than any bowler and he used to advise his captain in field placement and Imran acknowledged this fact so many times that he took Miandad’s advice in field placement and change in bowling or batting order.

    This my dear Sachin fan is not knowledge and wisdom, its called a skill, talent, ability, knack or proficiency in a particular field. Just because they are earning more money does not make them men of wisdom and they possess all the judicious knowledge of the world. This is ludicrous as well as comical and farcical on part of those who assume these players as intelligent, genius and men of wisdom.

    To tackle a ball at 150 kmph is NOT a matter of wisdom but it is a matter of reflexes do you think that great scientist on earth today, who is on a special wheel chair, I am talking about Stephen Hawking, he cannot even move his finger then, by your standards he must be an idiot in front of these people? Come on Sachin give us an analogy that makes sense.

    Success is a state of mind. Achieving money, status, accomplishing goals etc., all can be termed as success. And success is a relative term. Inzamam may have been a successful batsman, a successful captain, but, he was a pathetic bowler, he failed as a bowler, so you may be successful in one aspect of the game and a failure in another in the same field or the same segment in which you are an outstanding person. So, the more you delve deeper in this subject the more you will agree that SUCCESS is a very relative term.

    I consider myself as a very successful person, I don’t want to list my accomplishments here for obvious reasons. I may not have achieved what Imran Khan has achieved, but Imran Khan can never achieve what I have. So, once again success is a very relative term, don’t use it as a yardstick to measure everything with money.

    Just because Dhoni or Tendulkar have earned millions of dollars that doesn’t mean they are superior to me, Varun or Khansahab or others on this blog. I would never accept this kinda comparison or analogy. You have to compare apples with apples and not frogs with mother-in-laws as they do in Romania.

    Compare the achievements of, Tendulkar, Ganguly and Dravid. And compare Dhoni with them after a few years but not now, because right now as a player he is not in that league, earning millions of dollars is another issue.

    Like Varun said, “I am agree” and I would also rate Ganguly as a very shrewed player who possessed more skills than Sachin in many ways. Where Sachin lacked he excelled. I am referring to his leadership skills, his captaincy. You have to give DADA the due that he deserves. Give Dravid the due for the kinda gentleman he is besides being an excellent player – A wall that defended India in many odd situations.

    We all consider and acknowledge Tendulkar as an extra-ordinary batsman and his records speaks in volumes. May be, Ponting can break his record in test cricket but, no one even in the next decade can break his ODI record and his number of hundreds. On PakSpin if I have said something about his selfishness, partly there is some truth in it and partly it was a provocation to tease you guys. 🙂

  30. #30 by Mohammed Munir on November 4, 2008 - 6:35 AM

    Absolutely fantastic arguments and equally well explained and focused counterarguments.

    Khan Sahab, Sachin, Javed Khan and Varun Suri.

    It’s pure indulgence to read your views, guys !!

    I don’t want to throw in my own opinion on this issue for now, and would prefer to keep on enjoying the comments as a ‘third party’ 🙂

    Thanks for the information/ stats/ and “Cricketainment” 😉

  31. #31 by khansahab on November 4, 2008 - 8:35 AM

    Aamir Sohail likely to be appointed chief selector

    LAHORE: Former skipper Pakistan cricket team Aamir Sohail is likely to become the Chief Selector of national cricket team, sources said.

    The current selection committee, under the lead of Saleem Jafar had responsibility to select players of Abu Dhabi series, was temporary and this would be dissolved after the series against West Indies.

    Former captain Aamir Sohail is an strong frontrunner for the post and sources added that he (Sohail) has been offered the post by PCB however Sohail would have to bid fare well to commentary as long as he remains on the job.

    Sohail is scheduled to meet Chairman PCB Ejaz Butt in Lahore on Wednesday to discuss and settle down all the related issues in this wake.

    He remained Chief Selector in 2003 and some additional charges would also be provided to him.

  32. #32 by Mohammed Munir on November 4, 2008 - 9:43 AM

    If Amir Sohail becomes PCB’s Chief Selcetor, Khuda-na-Khuwasta !!

    The good thing is that Amir will have to stop commentary 😀

    Pakistani Cricket Viewers/ Audience’s GAIN, will be the LOSS of Pakistani Cricket Fans 😦 / 🙂

  33. #33 by khansahab on November 4, 2008 - 2:28 PM

    Inzamam regrets supporting Malik as captain

    Former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq has lashed out at his successor Shoaib Malik for playing “games” with senior players and for not treating them with respect.

    In an unusually candid comments on Malik’s captaincy who is already under fire from some quarters, Inzamam said on a talk show hosted by Rameez Raja on Geo Super channel that he didn’t think Malik was an intelligent leader.

    “He may be an organised and intelligent cricketer but I can’t say the same thing about his captaincy,” Inzamam said, adding that several senior players had complained him about Malik’s behaviour towards them.

    “He has not been fair with senior players and has let them down on several occasions. He has not been open and honest with them and they have conveyed their unhappiness to me,” Inzamam added.

    Regretting that he had strongly supported Malik’s selection in Pakistan team while he was captain, Inzamam said, “It is very unfortunate the way Malik has handled his responsibilities as a captain and relations with senior players who need to be treated with respect.”

    Sources also attributed the shock decision of Mohammad Yousuf to defect to Indian Cricket League to his unhappiness with the way the team management and board had dealt with him since Malik became captain.

    Leg spinner, Mushtaq Ahmed on the same show said captaincy was about man-management more then anything else.

    “Any captain to be successful must be very good at man management that is what I have seen from the best captains I have played under. A captain needs to support the players in trying circumstances,” the former Test spinner said.

    Malik’s captaincy is due to be reviewed by PCB later this month as his current term runs out on December 31.

  34. #34 by Amit. P on November 4, 2008 - 2:39 PM

    Adding one more item to this Cricketainment page, here is something for u guys if u miss this cricinfo article. (http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/indvaus2008/content/current/story/376894.html)

    What we have heard till now ab’t sledging are Bowler using foul language to batsman, close-in fielders provoking batsman at the crease sometimes at non-striker end, Warne sledging Rudi for not giving LBWs LOL. Here is a new addition to this whole sledging chapter as told by Hussey ab’t gambhir to the media. He goes like …

    “He looks around for it [chat], to be honest. It hasn’t been a plan of ours to go at him and talk or whatever … but I must admit he does go around the field looking to engage certain players and looking to get involved and that sort of thing”.

    He further added –

    “So maybe that is part of his character, looking for a clash to try to pump himself up a bit more. He’s always looking to engage, not so much ‘g’day how are you going’, but an intense look. It’s quite funny really.”

    Now suppose a batsman is out of form and struggling to connect against a particular bowler at the crease … what will be his last option? Throwing some “maa behan ki gali” to that bowler to disrupt his rythem? 😀

  35. #35 by Amit. P on November 4, 2008 - 2:53 PM

    Munir,

    The good thing is that Amir will have to stop commentary 😀

    Come one guys … we need to protest against this move. We dont want to loose him as a commentator. Infact one of the highlight of coming Indo-Pak series will be Manjerekar vs Amir shohail in the commentary box. Curious Manjerakar always asks questions, most of the time obvious ones, … and Guru Amir always try to put some weight in his argument not to mention how he does. This “Guru-Shishya Pravachan” will be too valuable to be missed out. 😀

  36. #36 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2008 - 3:20 PM

    Amit.P

    The interesting bit is not just that, the interesting bit is after the match and through the media the Australians make a very orchestrated move in lifting themselves up from the trivial things that happen in the field by saying “We are like this one-lee” that, we are hot on the ground but, we don’t carry that grudge into the dressing room. Remember what Gilly just said to Tendulkar and how he tried to defend himself and all the Australian players by making all the Indian players appear as biased and vindictive – that they don’t shake hands – thats the cunning, crafty, foxy part of the Aussies.

    On the other hand, you see this: Remember last year Afridi and Gambhir had a row on the field where Gambhir was running into Afridi and elbowed him and not to go into all the details, the end result was Afridi was penalized.

    So my point is, it is the reputation that you build up individually and as a nation that plays a vital role in labeling players as rogue players or cheats and what not. But the fact remains Australians are the BIGGEST WHINERS of the game and simply because they win most of the times and currently are the number one team in the world, they don’t do it that often. But, the character shows that they can’t digest one single defeat. Imagine they start losing against most countries like West Indies is doing for the last decade or so, the Aussies will probably stop playing cricket or invent new Maa Bahen ki Galiyaan and make the cricket ground an Akhada of Gaali Galouch.

    khansahab

    Inzamam ki moti aqal per uss time ‘Churbi’ thee that he couldn’t see Malik’s selfishness? He didn’t realize it then because Malik is big a sucker he always wanted to be under Inzi’s ……….. rehmo-karam……………and behaved like a miskeen by saying, if Inzi Bhai wants me to play down I play down or whichever position he wants me to be its OK with me. Now, he realized that those were not Captaincy qualities in Malik. Besides being flexible in listening to other’s views, a leader has to be firm and have an opinion of his own. Malik was spineless under Inzi and now he is showing his true colours like a girgit and playing politcis like a sly fox.

    As regards Aamir Churail taking over as CS, then Allah hee Khair keray. He will screw the team further because, in the history of Pakistan, there is not a single player who is as arrogant as Amir Sohail is. He will be using his whims and wishes, likes and dislikes as the first thing in team selection and then anything else. I don’t think any player respects Amir Sohail as an individual, showing respect to any Tom, Dick and Harry who is a CS is a different story. People salute the position not he person.

    The people in the current government who hate Zardari, still bow in front of him with a smile and have no guts to say a word against him. Same is the case in cricket, the authorities are making strict rules against the players but, then they are making ridiculous exception to the rules. The one that can be seen, which is obvious is Mohammad Asif’s case, that they want to bring him back and constantly trying Shoaib Akhtar by stuffing vaghaira, vaghaira through his posterior end to pump him up. That Ch2So4 cannot bowl more than 2 overs in a row now and he is not good for T20 and he is selected for an ODI tourney?

  37. #37 by Amit. P on November 4, 2008 - 3:22 PM

    Uff !! … “Jiska ekdam darr nahi tha wohi hua” … Gambhir’s appeal has been rejected and he is going to miss out Nagpur test. Some M. Vijay from Tamil nadu is included in the squad .. and Aus got the opportunity to level this series. Shane Watson must be a happy man. After all an allround performance !! Huh

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2008 - 3:46 PM

    Amit.P

    Aamir Sohail is not just an eye sore but an ear sore too, so I would say good riddance from the commentary box but, bad for the game of cricket in Pakistan that he will be the CS.

    I would not only protest if this happens IF our dear Pra Waqar, but I’d file a world wide virtual petition to retain him. BAKAOZ he is our greatest entertainer.

    When he creates “a” room, he creates “a” entertainment for us. When he called Tilakaratne Dilshan “a keep” he made us rotflol. When he said, “Thee cricket is a very strange game, with just one ball thee whole game is changed in two balls.”

    He kept calling Dilhara Fernando as Ranjit Fernando, then the other Sri Lankan commentator corrected him, a minute later Waqar had to use Dilhara’s name and he forgot but, he remembered that he was corrected so he said, “The Fernando” is bowling good.

    Is that khansahab who quoted the news item in which Pseudo Moulvi Mushtaq talked about leadership? He is another character, I have jotted down some of his bloopers when he was doing the commentary and I have saved them somewhere, I will find out later and share with you guys.

    He was Bob Woolmer’s translator, Andhaon may kaana Raja. Obviously when there were players like, Inzamam, Shoaib Malak, Mohammad Asaf, Imran Nazir were in the team English must have sounded like an alien language for Bob. Except Inzamam, the other three they cannot talk properly in Urdu.

    This guy Imran Nazir’s takiya kalaam is “Kudartee Baat” and when he says this in English he says: “Naych-Rully” I am referring to his recent interview on Geo TV where he was slouching on a sofa and wearing a very tight shirt which was two sizes small for him “baKaoz” of that between every button there was a pocket, still the air was not circulating properly and he had huge patches of sweat under his armpits. Having said, all this against him, I want him to play for Pakistan and open with Afridi in every single T20 match.

  39. #39 by Varun Suri on November 4, 2008 - 3:50 PM

    Well, the Aussie FundA seems to be simple:- do the Maa-Behen on the ground and after the match shake hands like ‘Gentle-Men’ and forget abuot what happene on the field. I do not have any problems with this attitude except that due to cultural differences any player from the Sub-Continent (particularly the North) may not know how to respond to such Sledgng/Abusing tactfully. In the recent past almost whenever there was an sledging/abusing incident on the Field, the Aussies have always been the initiator and whenever an Indian has re-taliated he has been fined/banned/punished.

    My question to all of you, who saw that Over is that when the Match Referee is considering Why and How a person reacted as to what he did on the field, Is it not essenial for him to look into the role of the aggressor/initiator?
    In my view the Aggressor deserves even more severe punishment, and then we have all these Match Referees talking about Level 1,2 and what not!! If you give severe punishment to te person who start a particular incident, it sets an example for other players and in this way they will alwas have the fear of beig pulled or fined if they initiated anything.

    I will seriously hope that this Aussie sid gets thumped badly whereever they tour in the next one year Why? because this could be their weakest side in years and this is the time to rub it in…

    I was sick of using the word Cry-babies or Sissies or Whiners so i digged few synonyms for the Australian Side which everyone can use in their future posts if they feel like!!

    1. Doormat,
    2. Jellyfish,
    3. Milksop,
    4. Milquetoast,
    5. Namby-pamby,
    6. Nebbish,
    7. Pansy,
    8. Pantywaist,
    9. Sad Sack,
    10. Weak sister,
    11. Weakling

    As i a writing this, I read this……
    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/indvaus2008/content/current/story/376923.html

    Bloody Sad Sac(h)s!!!!!

  40. #40 by Varun Suri on November 4, 2008 - 3:53 PM

    Must have broken the record for spelling mistakes, but just now discovered there’s something seriously wrong with my keyboard and i need to change it asap, so please xcuse my mistakes and i promise i will use the Spell Checker next time!!!

  41. #41 by Amit. P on November 4, 2008 - 3:53 PM

    Javed,

    I do remember that Gambhir-Afridi incident … it was a one hell “maa behan “episode. But i dont remember the punishments, cricinfo says Gambhir was fined 65% of match fees for elbowing Afridi .. and that incident makes account into this latest decision … he found second time guilty and was punished for one match ban. So in a way Gambhir deserves this. My point is its too harsh to ban him for the next match … let him choose one out of coming 3 or 5 tests which one he likes to sit out. If this ban finally upheld .. then it can change the result of this series.
    Btw, what ab’t that “all-rounder” who provoked Gambhir …. fined only 10% …. and what ab’t Michell Johnson ? He provoked 4 times in an over to Laxman. No hearing no case register against him. This Chris Board sucks big time … Now let me do some catharsis here. Ch*** S***

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2008 - 4:31 PM

    Amit.P

    In that Afridi / Gambhir incident, Afridi was fined 95% whereas Gambhir was fined 65% of the match fees. It was Roshandan Mahanama. And I agree with your views about “Chris the Broad.”

    I was watching the match live, last year it was in Kanpur and Gambhir while taking the run was looking at the ball, whereas, Afridi had stopped after bowling and stood in his place but away from the pitch, Gambhir was taking an angular run because he was looking back at the ball and the fielder and, bumped into Afridi – up to that point it was nothing wrong that was pure accident and its a part of the game that players bump into each other unintentionally.

    But, the moment Gambhir bumped into Afridi, he elbowed him and said something (obviously gali dee hogi) and Afridi turned back and looked at the umpire, the umpire said nothing and Afridi lost his cool, he retaliated and then the gali galoch match started.

    Although Afridi apologized later that he lost his cool, but because he is known for having a temper and and a reputation of getting into controversies, he was penalized more than Gambhir, and the price he paid for waiving that bat in SA cost him the world cup. But, Gambhir did not say a word of sorry or anything.

    Now, Gambhir is not a saint either, I remember watching India / England game a couple of years ago in India in which Ovais Shah was batting and he scored 50 odd if I am not mistaken? Anyways, when Shah played a shot and Gambir fielded just near the boundary and stopped a certain four, he threw the ball back to the keeper and the camera focused on Gambhir’s face (showed twice in slow motion) and he was seen yelling “BhenXXXX” for no reason. There was no need for that. He takes his game very seriously and passionately its good, but he needs to keep his cool, he is hot headed and galibaaz too, like Bhajji.

    Varun,

    when your key board is OK, post those names again. Btw, there was something wrong earlier – my comments appeared twice as the browser got stalled. The politics page is getting too long when it is uploading on my computer the RAM gets used up and there is no virtual memory on board, and I work on multiple tabs. Thats another problem, so may be I need a new computer with more RAM and a faster processor. 🙂

  43. #43 by abdul on November 4, 2008 - 5:09 PM

    A well summarised account of the career of the matchwinning Indian spinner. Anil Kumble was an outstanding bowler and asset to Indian cricket. As you corrrectly mentioned he wan’t a massive spinner of the ball and was deceptive with flight,angles and suttle variations which brought him overwhelming success. His fielding and batting also made a valuable contribution to the team and overall the leggie won many matches for India and had a massive impact in world cricket. As mentioned in this thread Kumble was the 3rd leading wicket taker of all time and the two above him in Warne and Murali are also spinners shows how dominant spinners can be and emphasises on what brilliance they can bring into a team.

    Meanwhile its a controversial story as M Yousuf might join the rebels in the ICL. Does he feel Zadari will lift his ban and allow him to rejoin the Pakistani team after tasting the ultimate experience of playing in the ICL.

  44. #44 by Varun Suri on November 4, 2008 - 5:13 PM

    All this talks about “Maa-Behen” reminds me of a small incident, which I would like to share with you all with my new Keyboard!

    Once when I shared a Flat with my Pakistani-Omani flat mate, for initial 3 weeks he spoke to me only in English where many times I would talk to him in Hindi peppered with Urdu words but he will always reply in English, then we had an argument one day (ISI+Bombay Blasts) and he got angry and suddenly started speaking in Urdu, then at that moment forgetting everything else I asked him how come he spoke in Urdu out of the blue as I had all the time thought he could speak only Arabic and English and his answer was something like ” You are from Delhi, When you speak in Hindi, You do a lot of Maa-Behen and that does not go with the Colourful and Beautiful language of Urdu.” I totally agree with him because Hindi is a sort of a Street-Talk as it is, the main Language is Sanskrit.
    As far as Delhi and North India goes, I am sure most of you would know that how normal a word “BC” is for the People belonging to these parts of India so much so that many times people start and end their sentences with this word. I am not trying to defend this kind of behaviour but just accepting the fact that this kind of “Un-Couthness” is their in our Kultur in today’s World. Even though a lot of disgraceful acts have been committed in the recent past on the Cricket Pitch, but even now the most disgraceful moment of Cricketing History does not belong to the Indian Subcontinent but, “Down Under” when one of the famous brothers decided to Bowl Underarm.

    Well, if there is one place in Indian Sub-Continent where you won’t find this “hot-headedness” then it has certainly got to be the State of Karnataka for producing some of the most expression less cricketers in Srinath, Prasad and Dravid and many others before them.

    To conclude, Gone are the days when Cricket was called the “Gentlemen’s Game”. There is nothing gentlemanly about it anymore….

  45. #45 by Amit. P on November 4, 2008 - 5:51 PM

    Javed,

    “Chris the Broad.” LOL

    More u guys find out mistakes more it will happen. Limited vocab result in unlimited errors. 😀

    Yeah, Gambhir is a short-tempered guy but certainly isn’t like what Hussey was uttering. My point is batsmen always react to what they receive from close-in fielders and bowlers. Sometimes these reactions become exaggerated and should be penalized accordingly. But provocation should account in these incidents.

    I dont remember this Gambhir-shah incident … but i like to point out similar yet unusual incident that happened in Ind-Aus last year series, in which Aus thrashed Ind by 5-1 or 4-2. Before that series Aus were uttering all those strategies to how to exploit aging Indian players. One of those strategies was to covert 1s into 2s or 2s into 3s, whenever ball goes past senior players. Now everybody knew that we had only two senior players in the squad at that time .. one was DADA and other Sachin. Dada was as usual cool and calm whenever Oz took extra run in his throw … not a single sign of desperation or urgency .. infact he used to blink his eyes when these things happened .. and dhoni was uttering usual wordings … like come on DADA … 2 nahi, 3 nahi …. but he couldn’t show frustration on senior players so Munaf and Murli Karthik became victim of his anger. LOL … In one case he told Munaf something like “… sona hi hai to match k baad so lena”.
    Anyway .. in one of those matches Sachin was fielding at long on .. not very wide … and Symonds was driving the ball straight and was taking 2 runs in his throwing .. after couple of times Sachin got frustrated and uttered big “Mada*****” . It was nothing but sheer frustration and a bit unusual for Sachin .. but the thing is he didn’t reach out to the batsman and said something like Hydo and Symo used to do.

    Varun,

    I liked no. 8 synonym 😀 .. but trying to figure out why this word stands for sissy.

  46. #46 by khansahab on November 4, 2008 - 9:37 PM

    Latif resigns as wicket-keeper coach in protest

    Pakistan former Test captain, Rashid Latif has resigned as a Pakistan National and Academy wicket-keeping coach, minute after Saleem Malik accepted National Cricket head coach offer by Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB).

    “I am going to resign in protest against appointment of former captain Saleem Malik as chief coach of National Academy,” Latif said.

    Rashid Latif was the one who had raised the issue regarding match fixing against Saleem Malik, and helped Justice Malik Qayyum in his judicial inquiry against particular players for their involvement in match-fixing and several allegations of corruption dating back to 1994.

    Latif during Qayyum’s inquiry recorded his statements against his former teammate. “Before the fifth ODI at Christchurch, he was called by Salim Malik to his room and offered 10 Lacs to throw away the match,” Latif had said. “There were five other cricketers present in the room. However, he refused to take up the offer,” he added.

  47. #47 by khansahab on November 5, 2008 - 1:34 PM

    Mohammed Yousuf banned for joining ICL

    Wednesday, 05 Nov, 2008

    KARACHI: Senior batsman Mohammad Yousuf has been banned from playing for Pakistan after joining the unofficial Indian Cricket League (ICL), officials said on Wednesday.

    ‘(While) he is contracted to the ICL our policy is clear he can’t play for or in Pakistan, just like the other players who joined the league,’ Zakir Khan, director of cricket operations for the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) told the media in Lahore.

    Yousuf, 34, surprised the PCB by abruptly leaving for India to join the unofficial Twenty20 league after being named on Monday in a squad to play three one-dayers against West Indies in Abu Dhabi next week.

    ‘I know I can’t play for Pakistan,’ Yousuf told a news conference in New Delhi on Wednesday, before the ban was announced. ‘I want to play, but the decision is up to them (PCB). Whatever, my performance shows I can play all forms of cricket.’

    Pakistan’s premier batsman has played 79 tests, scoring 6,770 runs at a superb average of 55.49, with 23 centuries.

    Khan said the board had banned Yousuf from playing for the national team and in any tournament in Pakistan that was organised or approved by the board. It had also cancelled his central contract.

    ‘There will be no exception made for Yousuf to the board’s policy on the ICL which will remain the same until it is changed by the ICC (International Cricket Council),’ he added.

    The PCB, like the other member boards of the ICC, does not recognise the new league which is bankrolled by one of India’s largest media firms.

    Despite the board’s strong line, 18 players from Pakistan have signed contracts with the ICL, including former captains Inzamam-ul-Haq and Moin Khan and top players Abdul Razzak, Saqlain Mushtaq, Rana Naved, Imran Nazir and Mohammad Sami.

    Khan said Yousuf would be replaced in the squad to go to Abu Dhabi for the games on Nov. 12, 14 and 16, most probably by young batsman Khalid Latif.

    ICL organisers had filed a legal case for breach of contract after Yousuf, who signed up last year, tried to switch to the official Indian Premier League.

    ICL officials said they were now withdrawing the case.

    ‘I made a mistake so I have come back,’ Yousuf said on Wednesday. ‘I didn’t talk to the PCB chairman.’

    Yousuf will play for the Lahore Badshahs team led by Inzamam in the ongoing ICL competition.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 5, 2008 - 2:01 PM

    Varun #44 and Amit #45

    LOL, good to read those comments…. The Pakistani in Oman and Dhoni on Dada and then venting his frustration on Munna Bhai Patel (another big time gali baaz:) and Murali Kartik.

    But, the most vocal of all the DilliWalas is “Ashish Nehra” and I have a DVD of Ahmedabad ODI when Inzi scored 4 on the last ball on tendulkar’s bowling. In that match, the way Nehra swear at Dhoni is funny and, Dhoni being new in the team then couldn’t say anything back to him. Although I have narrated this incident before, but never mind again…. 🙂

    Afridi was the batsman, Nehra bowled a slightly wide ball, not given wide but, Afridi did not attempt to play he simply left it for Dhoni to collect. Nehra taunted at Afridi by saying something that he should have played. Afridi gestured and showed him the wicket (that is to bowl on the stumps) the next ball was also in the same line but, Afridi slashed and the ball went through the first slip Dravid (the captain) and Dhoni (the keeper) for a four.

    You should see the way Nehra blasted at Dhoni. “Dhoni BC… MKC tumharee, BC tumko seedhi seedhi catch pakarni nahee aati?” Obviously he couldn’t have said this to Dravid, so he vented out his frustration at Dhoni.

    Once, the cool cucumber Inzi said something to Show Actor. Actor was fielding deep and misfield twice and instead of a single it turned into a boundary, twice in a row! After the first misfield, the actor looked towards Inzi and made a gesture that he is tired and couldn’t bend down.

    The second time, Inzi yelled at the actor and said, “Jhukko, Jhukko,” and the actor kicked the sign board on the fence. Inzi got so furious he yelled again from the first slip position at him and said very loudly, “BC tumharay liyeh tou Imran Khan hee theek hota.”

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 5, 2008 - 2:12 PM

    khansahab

    I think in the previous thread when you mentioned about lifting the ban on Saleem Malik and then offering him a post, I said, this is ridiculous because once accused and charged of corruption and banned for such a long time – lifting a ban is OK – because at 47 he cannot play cricket anymore. But, offering a job is against the rules and regulation.

    Rashid Latif did the right thing by resigning and don’t you think the PCB wanted him to resign? It was a planned move and they succeeded in it. This is what I say there is so much jingoism and regionalism and they use such dirty tricks and petty politics and are not ashamed, instead they are happy for using such deliberate ruse.

    They have lost a very good test cricketer in MoYo and it was DNA who tried to pacify and convince him earlier, but this current administration under Ijaz’s Butt is creating so much stench that any decent person would walk away from there.

  50. #50 by abdul on November 5, 2008 - 4:55 PM

    4th test match starting tommorow at the venue of Nagpur with Dhoni captaining and Harbhjan Singh set to make a return. Will Austrlia be able to square the series and share the silverware? Or will India end Australia’s dominance winning test series and open up the bank for a more competetive battle in international cricket.

  51. #51 by abdul on November 5, 2008 - 4:57 PM

    Has anyone heard that Imran Tahir,the Lahore born leg spinner has set his sights on playing for RSA. He qualified elidgible to play for them in April and could this be the Answer to RSA’s ongoing crisis in developing top spinners.

  52. #52 by Varun Suri on November 5, 2008 - 9:40 PM

    I have to agree, if nothing else the most audible of the audible incident is Nehra-Dhoni scene, I wonder whether Nehra’s career might be over for this “Un-Couthness” and that too with Kaptan Babua, gayo Nehro to gayo!!

    Out of the other Dilliwallas, I am amazed to see Sehwag being a Jatt is very un-like them in his behaviour. As it is before the current lot not many players from Delhi have sustained a decent run in International Cricket.

    Regarding Inzi, the only incident i remember is his “Aloo” one, other than that i never saw any of his bursts!

    I am curious to lknow what Gambhir-Afridi were saying as it wasn;t that audible, or was it? The video on YouTube has been dubbed and the other one is barely audible.

    Whatever is happening with MoYo is very unfortunate but as rightly said by others THE “Butt” is Gyrating so vigourously anywhere and everywhere, that every day you can expect a surprise. I think Just like Obama, Butt also believes in the Key-Word of today CHANGE.

    more laterss:):)

  53. #53 by khansahab on November 5, 2008 - 9:45 PM

    Varun

    By “Jatt”, do you mean the Punjabi race, of “Jatts”?

    I know many Sardars in India are Jatts. Although I suppose Sehwag, being from Delhi, has some affiliation with Punjab.

  54. #54 by Varun Suri on November 5, 2008 - 9:51 PM

    khansahab,

    The state of Haryana and parts of Delhi are the region where Jatt’s like Sehwag come from, of course there are Sikh Jatt’s too who are Sardars and speak “theth pind wali punjjabbi” but these Jatts are Hindu and their language is if not Haryanvi ( mixture of Hindi+Punjabi and a little variation) then Hindi.

  55. #55 by khansahab on November 5, 2008 - 10:15 PM

    Varun

    If I’m not mistaken, “Suris” are Punjabis aren’t they?

    Like Varun Suri, or Sunjay Suri (the actor).

  56. #56 by Varun Suri on November 5, 2008 - 11:08 PM

    khansahab,

    Actually, like SharmaJEE, the surname Suri has also caused a lot of confusion within and outside India as well.

    My father’s side is Dogri’s,who are Hindus by religion mainly found in Jammu and Kashmir but speak Dogri which is a slight variant of Punjabi.

    Also, there are “theth Punjabi” Suri’s who are also Hindus by religion scattered all over Punjab and India and I have also met a Sardarji Suri who are ofcourse Sikhs.
    During my Engineering, one of my Professors from Karnataka was called SuriBabu!!Of late I found out that name of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes child is also SURI.!!

    There is some debate as to if any Suris are descendants of Sher Shah Suri ? but only thing certain is that our roots are in Muzzafarabad in Kashmir, from where my Grand-parents came to live in Amritsar and other relatives in Jammu.

    Due to this confusion, I am not sure which category Sanjay Suri falls!!!

    Cheers..

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2008 - 5:26 AM

    Varun

    When I mentioned about Ashish Nehra and Gambhir…………. Sehwag’s name came to my mind that how come he being a Dilliwala and more importantly a Jatt, he is cool and why? Now, that you have mentioned about him, I think he is an exceptional case.

    btw, Jatts are not just Hindus or Sikhs but Muslims too. And they have started ruling in Punjab since the 10th century and when Babar came to this region sometime in 1526’s the Jatts were already ruling in some of the areas of the so-called Salt Range. And in 19th century they were ruling in places like Bharatpur, Dholpur, Bhind etc., and are known to be fierce fighters and warriors.

    There is a joke about Jatts I would have preferred to write it in V-talk page, there is nothing wrong in writing here, so I will write it here because it is in continuation of a discussion.

    The Jatts, especially the village Jatts always used to carry a “Lath” (stick to defend) with them. I think they still do?

    There was a “Teli” (a Miller) who used to extract oil from the seeds such as sesame seeds, peanuts, almonds etc. using the old stone grinding mill which is called a “Koe-loo” in Hindi and Urdu which is a very heavy stone grinder and to lift it you need three four strong men.

    Anyways once, the Teli told a Jatt:

    Jatt ray Jatt teray sir pay lath

    The Jatt thought for a moment and replied back to the Teli.

    Teli ray Teli teray sir pay Koe-loo

    The teli laughed at him and replied, Oye Ullu, koi qaafiya nahee bunta (means it doesn’t rhyme)

    The Jatt replied, qaafiya banay na banay tu Wazan say tou murr jai ga.

    (whether it rhymes or not, it doesn’t matter, the weight will kill you).

    So, the element of intellect is not in proportion to the body mass, hence they are as good as sardars, akhroats and paindoos. And what else do you expect to hear from an akhroat?

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2008 - 5:39 AM

    More in continuation on Teli ………..

    There was a Teli (the same old miller) who had a Bull (Koe-loo ka Bail) that used to run, the mill grinding.

    Once a Professor was passing by through a village and he noticed that a koe-loo ka bail is going round and round and there is a small bell tied around its neck making a constant ting, ning, ting, ning kinda noise……

    The Professor first introduced himself to the Teli and then he asked the Teli about the purpose of the bell? The Teli replied, Sahab during the summer days especially on a hot afternoon, we take a break and stay put in that little hut and seek shelter and as long as we hear the bell is ringing, we know that the Bull is going round and round and when the bell stops ringing then we make a “Haa, Hooosh” kinda noise and the Bull starts moving again because, he knows that if he doesn’t then we come out and give him a chaabuk (hunter) or two on his a$$.

    The Professor first accepted the logic and then he said, no wait a second. Suppose, if this Bail (bull) stands in one place and keep on shaking its head, you will not know from inside the hut whether the bull is going round and round or he is standing in one place and shaking its head, right?

    The Teli was caught off guard and felt like he is clean bowled by the Professor’s googly. He then said:

    “O jee, yae Koe-loo ka bail hai, koi Professor nahee hai”

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2008 - 2:11 PM

    Sachin fan must be itching to write something after Tendulkar’s ton yesterday. I think, the whole team is on a roll and riding high on confidence. I feel sorry for Dravid, his luck is not favouring him, that duck should not take away the sheen and the gloss from him for being a great player he was during his time and that too, not so long ago. It seems like his confidence is shattered during Guru Chappell days and then the IPL conflict with Vijay Maliya on team selection and captaincy issue must have created a compounded effect and he has not recovered from it yet.

    The IPL has also dented Laxman’s psyche as his role as a captain and even as a T20 player was questioned and challenged. But, he is coming out well in the test match arena, where he is at his best. Dada must be hoping for a century to end his career on high note. And, why not?

    The match is in India’s grip whether they play for a draw or a kill is yet to be seen. It all depends on DhoniaA’s decision making. And, I dunno what Varun, Pawan and Amit have to say? Please go ahead and bet your two cents on India’s win. Even a draw will result in a series win. But, a 2-0 would be more thumping than just 1-0.

    And, something on the Pakistan cricket forum now!

    The gyrating Butt has so many leaks and he is splattering filth almost all the time since he arrived on the scene. This Saleem Malik’s case is a real pathetic decision. It must have prompted him to do this after seeing the ECB appointing Mushy as a spin bowling coach! He is another Chilam Ka Pujari, a purana paapi and a big time Suttay Baaz, who is now in disguise behind a beard and talk all BS and take cover in the name of religion and faith in his game that gives him direction and focus!

    I have never understood the so-called British diplomacy or their hypocritical dual policy. Be it on the political side or in the game of cricket, they aren’t gentlemen. They always surprise a few with their decision making. Not only Altaf Hussain’s asylum in the UK raised the eyebrows of so many but, there are many other political cases which they would condemn openly yet, when these people arrive in their country to seek refuge, they provide them with, shelter, protection, cover and even funds to live luxuriously and God knows what else. And, why? Bakaouz, they want to use them against us. And you will note that a common man does not get this attention or benefits, only those who are well known controversial figures, they get this VIP treatment.

    This decision of Mushy’s appointment is not only against the rules of the country (which now Ijaz Butt is hell bent upon breaking them, and has indeed broken it already by appointing Saleem Malik in the Academy) but, it is also morally and ethically incorrect to give recognition to a person whose past is so dubious and so full of malicious acts and who has served a ban after being charged – which is equivalent to a sentence. In my opinion they are not less than convicts, except that they were walking free on the streets.

    Mushy may appear to be a Saint today by virtue of his beard, pardoning him or Malik is a different thing, honouring them with jobs is a shameless act on part of the PCB and ECB.

    Wait and see the PCB will bring back Mohammad Asif too. I suggest before the Butt regime succeeds in doing so, the IPL, WADA, CAS, ICC etc., should ban Asif for life to put a lid on such brazen acts which Asif has so blatantly and unblushingly disgraced the nation with his drug addiction.

    It would be a flagrant miscarriage of justice, an insolent audacity in the name of moral rightness if they bring him back.

  60. #60 by khansahab on November 6, 2008 - 2:53 PM

    Ban will make Gambhir more sensible: Afridi

    KARACHI: Experienced Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi feels that the one-match ban imposed on Gautam Gambhir will make the Indian opener a more sensible and cool headed cricketer.
    Gambhir, who has been in terrific form against Australia, has been banned for the last Test in Nagpur after match referee Chris Broad and ICC adjudicator Justice Albie Sachs found him guilty of barging into all-rounder Shane Watson during the Third test in New Delhi.
    Sachs rejected an appeal filed by the Indian Cricket Board against the match referee’s decision and upheld the ban on Gambhir.
    Afridi, who has also been elbowed by Gambhir during a One-day International match against Pakistan at Kapur in November last year, recalled the incident and said the left-hander made a mistake by repeating the same thing against Watson.
    “He did a similar thing with me while taking a run while I was bowling and we had exchanged a few words with each other.
    “After running into me he turned around and made some comments and I also replied back. But the match referee let us off with fines and afterwards we sorted things out and everything cooled down,” the all-rounder said.
    “He is a bit of a hot headed cricketer and likes to trade words. But I think this ban will cool his temperament down and make him a more sensible cricketer who can avoid such unnecessary things,” Afridi added.
    He was of the view that it was natural for cricketers to exchange words and even sledge each other when there is fierce competition, but pointed out that sensible players never let the situation get out of their hands.
    “I have also made a few mistakes in the past and learnt from them. I think Gambhir will also learn,” he said.
    Citing Sachin Tendulkar and retired India Test captain Anil Kumble as examples, Afridi said young cricketers all over the world should take a lesson from them on their conduct both on and off the field.
    “They are two of the most successful performers for India but they hardly lost their cool and their behaviour was always normal with their opponents.”
    “I am a great admirer of Kumble because of his stature as a bowler and the way he played his cricket. I have on doubt India is going to miss him a lot,” he added.

  61. #61 by khansahab on November 6, 2008 - 4:51 PM

    Former players criticise Yousuf’s ICL decision

    Thursday, 06 Nov, 2008

    ISLAMABAD: A number of former cricket heroes of the country on Wednesday strongly criticized the decision of key middle-order batsman Mohammed Yousuf for joining the Indian Cricket League (ICL).

    Yousuf, 34, surprised the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) by joining the ICL despite being named on Monday in the national squad to play three one-dayers against West Indies in Abu Dhabi next week.

    Talking to Dawn, Zaheer Abbas, former test cricketer also known as Asian Bradman, said: ‘Yousuf is a world class batsman but the PCB has made the right decision to ban him.’

    Yousuf was banned by the PCB after confirmation of the ICL signing.

    ‘The PCB law stands for every one and it’s not just Yousuf who was banned for joining the unsanctioned ICL,’ he said.

    ‘The life span of cricketers playing at the professional level is very short and it’s money which drove Yousuf towards the ICL,’ added Zaheer.

    Former pacer and current assistant coach of the national squad Aqib Javed said: ‘Yousuf’s original strength is test cricket and not the shorter version of the game.’

    ‘Yousuf still has two to three years left to play international level cricket both one day internationals and test matches but it was his decision,’ Javed added.

    Regarding the ICL Aqib said: ‘ICL can not match international level cricket and its standards.’

    ‘Yousuf has done well and he is a loss to Pakistan cricket,’ he asserted. ‘It is about money and his interest‘ he said.
    Former test batsman Ijaz Ahmed, now a member of the PCB selection team, said: ‘It was not the right decision by Yousuf as ICL was not even recoginsed by ICC.’

    Ijaz pointed out: ‘Despite being the most respectable cricketer in Pakistani team Yousuf did not bother to inform any of the PCB officials about his engagement with the ICL.’

    Yousuf traveled to New Delhi hours after the team for the West Indies series was announced, without informing PCB officials or the team management.

    ‘He has a great name in the cricketing world he should have preferred national duty over the ICL’ said the former test cricketer.

    When asked about the threat of an exodus Ijaz added: ‘PCB is facilitating the players as much as they can.’

    National players, he said, were allowed to play the Indian Premier League, county cricket, and they are earning a lot.

  62. #62 by Amit. P on November 6, 2008 - 5:53 PM

    Javed,

    Sachin played a valuable knock …. and as usual after 60 his stamina decreased exponentially. It happened all this series …. looked brilliant upto 2 hours say … after that, his feet movement, line n length judgment, flexibility, all showed sign of fatigue. Today luck was on his side so completed his century. I was expecting Laxman to do the job of koe-Loo ka bail, but got out of beauty by Jason Krazzzzzy. This guy showed real heart today by pitching almost everything in the zone with flight. Thoroughly deserved those 3 wickets and was unlucky to not get Sachin.

    His performance once again raises question ab’t Ponting’s decision making. When Bedi offered his help to krejza before Delhi test, there was hue and cry in Oz camp. Reportedly Ponting wasn’t happy at all to see Bedi in the net, talking to Krejza. He might be thinking on the line that Bedi would pass down “crucial” (i dont know what) information to Indian camp. And after that net session he told media that what he saw ab’t this young offie, he is quite impressed and “he is in the squad because of his merit” . Still, Ponting preferred white, who is pretty innoxious even for Ranji level players. What happened ultimately was white bowled 23 overs out of 238 overs total bowled by aussies. Even in this match he left out Clark who was atleast economical and always helps building pressure from one end. It will be interesting to see how many overs he is going to give white in this match too.

    Khansahab,

    After this one match ban, if Gambhir still carries that “physical interaction” part, then i think he will invent new way of his own dismissal, and opposition certainly will exploit it.

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2008 - 6:04 PM

    Amit.P

    Your response number 62 to khansahab about Gambhir, is it in reference to his posting that news item on the blog about what Afridi advised to Gambhir?

    Well, I was right in narrating that incident above because thats exactly what came out of the horses (Afridi’s) mouth. I mean the actual incident. But, LOL at Afridi giving an advise to Gautam like the Wise Man of Gotham sala khudd tou apna temper control nahee ker pata, advise aisay dera jaisay bara Sufi hai.

    Well, you are right that Sachin was lucky to get past his hundred and me too, I was thinking what if gets out in his 90’s? In the last 3-4 years at least 7 to 8 times he was out in his nineties, am I right? I think Sachin’s fan must be able to verify this.

    But, you have not answered to my question about the result of this match.

  64. #64 by Sana on November 6, 2008 - 6:30 PM

    Nah, none of them are good looking…!

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2008 - 6:33 PM

    Sana duckiO

    go to the politics page, :Kirkut: is not for you. And don’t reject the appearance of the blog just by being here for the first time. smile you are on candid camera. 🙂

  66. #66 by Amit. P on November 6, 2008 - 6:55 PM

    Javed,

    But, you have not answered to my question about the result of this match.

    Yeh bhi koi poochne ki baat hai ? My money always on Indian win. 😉

    Realistically speaking, if India goes on to pile up 450 runs on the board … Oz will find extremely tough to save this match irrespective of strategies they employ. This pitch starts turning from day one …. aur dhoniA zaroorE fayada uthayega. If u notice the body language of Bhajji …. then its sign of things to come up. He was relentless in the dressing room … and after the day’s game he hurried up to the pitch and had a good look of that.
    Now the other angle, if aus somehow manage to keep india under 400, then probably we would see the contest of this otherwise dull series. Still, my money will be on Indian victory and Bhajji’s 5 for 😀

    P.S. Yes, We Can!

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2008 - 6:57 PM

    Yae hui na baat ! 🙂

  68. #68 by Amit. P on November 6, 2008 - 7:10 PM

    Sana,

    Incidentally all “viewable” pics displayed on this page is of same guy (maybe u were including Javed, Marlon Brando and khansahab). 😀

  69. #69 by Sana on November 6, 2008 - 8:24 PM

    >>Incidentally all “viewable” pics displayed on this page is of same guy (maybe u were including Javed, Marlon Brando and khansahab).

    Erm, I was looking at the pics on the post of the cricket players. Just commenting that none of them took my fancy.

    What does Javed mean by saying “i am on camera”? Can you see through my laptop? (starts waving).

    😉

  70. #70 by Sana on November 6, 2008 - 8:27 PM

    What the….! I’ve just seen your “hot gals” section.

    Seriously guys – get beyond the slap / makeup / botox and airbrushing.

    Anyway, enjoy your blog. All the best.

    WS.

  71. #71 by khansahab on November 6, 2008 - 8:34 PM

    Sana

    Are you from Sale in Cheshire?

  72. #72 by abdul on November 6, 2008 - 9:05 PM

    An interesting day of test match cricket at the office.India piled up the runs and batting agressively especially against the new debuatant spinner in Jason who despite being costly picked up some key wickets. The first few hours tomorrow will be crucial in the outcome of the series.

    Also the Badshads are in action tomorrow in what is a must win game or as they would day do or die. It will be interesting to see if the elegant batsmen M Yousuf plays after all he has signed for the ICL.

  73. #73 by Sana on November 6, 2008 - 9:58 PM

    No, i’m about 15 miles away from there, but i am near Sale tommorow. Now bye bye. Enjoy the porno blog! WS

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 7, 2008 - 1:39 AM

    Sana

    Calling the “hot gals” page …. porno blog?

    Perhaps you didn’t clap at the entrance door of the hot gals room, if you had done that trust me they all would have put on their “Dupattas” and Hijaabs knowing that aunty is coming in.

    Tell me why is that you picked up only the hot gals page in the entire blog? We spend more time on cricket home page and politics, occasionally we go to the Bavarchi Khana.

    About photos, at least you find some faces on this blog unlike that Asian Message Board where you see nothing and may be all you see on the side is some funky skunky guys whose shows are aired on BBC radio and they are the so-called moderators who are so biased and partial, they promote nepotism and faouritism whereas here you’ll find us more impartial, liberal and you cannot deny about that because you have admitted that earlier, didn’t you? 🙂

    Btw, behind the mask of khansahab, you will find a hunk, who is also a lawyer …….. you can argue with him in a professional way!

  75. #75 by Sweetie on November 7, 2008 - 2:35 AM

    I was told to check out politics page.
    Holly…!! Im lost…. where is it?

  76. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 7, 2008 - 6:22 AM

    Sweetie

    welcome to the blog, its good if you are lost here, then you won’t be able to go from here. 🙂 I guess there is some confusion about politics page especially for newcomers.

    On the top menu bar we have names of different pages but POLITICS page is missing, you are right. But, you can see on the top right corner of your screen, you will find it under the sub-heading PAGES.

    Yes, the politics page is the most popular page now and its getting longer and bigger hence its slow in opening so please be patient while the page is getting uploaded. The blog admin needs to do something here. And what I don’t understand is, you gals are so reluctant to type more than a couple of lines. Writing on the blog is not like dieting and you won’t put on weight if you write more. So, be generous and feel free to ask questions or criticize someone or anyone!

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 7, 2008 - 6:35 AM

    It seems like Munir’s prayers are being answered he was praying for an equal participation from girls on this blog (ref. his comments in Bavarchi Khana) since Farrah has joined in we have seen a few more females coming on to the blog and started writing like a “can-juice”, still a humble beginning I must say.

    khansahab

    Now, you need to open a new page called, “Yak-Yak” where they can sit together, gossip and do some real yakati yak 🙂

    Well ladies I am just kidding, we are not “Urdu medium Baatameez” and I am not asking for any segregation, there aren’t any Taleban here and you are free to mingle around with us and write here even on this cricket page. Praise your favourite cricketer or criticize him, defend him or your team.

  78. #78 by Sana on November 7, 2008 - 6:36 AM

    Mr Javed,

    It’s natural for women to look at other women and comment – we’re critical of each other as we compete. Why else are womens magazines full of women, whereas mens magazines are also full of women!

    As for the bbc asian board – i have no idea what you are speaking about.

    I imagine you are Khansahab and are using a number of id’s on this board.

    Sorry, that’s the cynic in moi.

    Thank God it’s Friday. Make sure you attend your Jumuah Salah and pray for forgiveness for having a porno section 😉

    WS

  79. #79 by Sana on November 7, 2008 - 6:37 AM

    Dear Sweetie,

    There is no politics page. I cannot find one. When you do, pls let me know how to get there. I’d like to check out the debating powers that be on here….and see if in person they measure up the same.

    WS

  80. #80 by Mohammed Munir on November 7, 2008 - 7:19 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Way to go man, I really liked your sense of humor lately 😉
    (Dupatta, Hijab, Aunty, Yak Yak, etc)

    Oh yes, about the girls then, well we will take them in our stride, and trust me they will all be soon gone. Typical of the ‘ladies’ in a man’s life 😉

    I will be away for some time, but I will be trying to keep read as much as I could, bakaouz, it seems the fun have just begun 😀

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 7, 2008 - 8:05 AM

    Pra Munir

    My sense of humour is just the same old as it used to be and it wasn’t lost in the “Straight of Hormuz” may be you’ve just discovered it when you went to Ras Al Khaimah !

    Too bad for you and theossa that you have to leave at the good time, may you live in interesting times. I hope you know what it means.

    And yes its bakaoz of Farrah you see a few more females here, so, three cheers for Hip hip Farrah. And, Farrah I am not trying to make this ‘one up’ for that JFK comment. Honestly, I just realized that (tongue in cheek) Farrah also starts with “F”

  82. #82 by Mohammed Munir on November 7, 2008 - 9:06 AM

    JFK ….

    Does it stands for J-aved F-arrah and K-hansaheb ?? 😉

    JFK Team 😀

    On Cricket …

    Have Australia found another Sharne in Krejza ??

    Nay … I guess it’s too early.

  83. #83 by Mohammed Munir on November 7, 2008 - 9:10 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Good for you and your sence of homour 😉

    I will be keeping at eye on things, and I hope Theossa is also ‘overseeing’ the proceeding on LS 🙂

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 7, 2008 - 3:43 PM

    In that case Mohammad Munir you can enjoy some m&m chocolates and be happy.

    I thought India could pile up more than 500 runs but they collapsed suddenly, I didn’t see the match after 410/5 and Dada was playing along with DhoniA and was surprised to see 441 all out. Poor chap couldn’t make his last ton, still not a bad show.

    Jason Krejza can also be pronounced as Krayza or Crayza, he is an off-break bowler Munir and not a leggy like Shane Warne. Four of his 8 victims were clean bowled among them two top players Sehwag and DhoniA both got clean bowled. Seems like a good find for the Australians. But, Bhajji also clean bowled Ponting, so the wicket is helping spinners. Sehwag didn’t get any wicket but he was the most economical of all the Indian bowlers be it 11 runs in six overs still he didn’t give any runs compared to Tendulkar’s 12 runs in 2 overs.

    If India gets a lead of 100 they should be in a good position. The key is Hussey’s wicket, he is a chipkoo.

    Btw, what happened to the Australian Test player PA Jacques? He was a good opener with a good average close to 50 I guess and suddenly he has disappeared.

  85. #85 by Sana on November 7, 2008 - 5:21 PM

    My Urdu isn’t that good kiddo, so beyond the first two lines, your post became redundant.

    I shall do my best to find this poly-ticks board you have lured me into posting on.

    Oh, looks like your country just won the Kirkut. Even fatty Inzamam can run…gives me hope for when i start back at the gym tommorow 😉

    PS: thanks for the intelligence comment.

  86. #86 by Sana on November 7, 2008 - 5:22 PM

    PPS: who is Farrah? Anyone based in the UAE?

  87. #87 by Sana on November 7, 2008 - 5:24 PM

    Erm, why are my comments being moderated? By whom? Where’s the freedom to post what i really think of you? Will that also be moderated?

    Sheesh, and you comment on the bbc asian network – at least those moderators were openly effed up.

  88. #88 by Abdul on November 7, 2008 - 5:56 PM

    Sana,it’s just going thorugh the process of moderation before it can be publishes but trust me there is no limit on this blog like others which makes it unique. Anway welcome to the blog and you have seemed toi make a name for yourself so far with your bubbly perosnality.

    Win for the badshads. What batting and Rna Naved did temdously well as now they are on the brink of getting the 4th semi-final spot.

    Rna was just a true allrounder and Yousuf looked in splendid form with 3 consecutive classic boundaries. and as Tony Greig so rightly said eat your heart out Pakistan for negclencting and rejecting such suprme talent.

    Menahile the Aussie off spinner ended up with 8 wickets -what a debut. But never the less the match is heading for a draw which would give India the series.

  89. #89 by khansahab on November 7, 2008 - 6:02 PM

    Sana

    The purpose of the Hot Gals page is to admire the appearance of women. The Hot Gals page does not show nudity and it is not intended to arouse anyone in a sexual way.

    As you will see from our “About Us” page, we will welcome any comment or post as long as it is not offensive or abusive. We welcome criticism; however we do not welcome abuse.

    Being compared to Javed A Khan is the biggest compliment for me, as he is a very learned person of unimaginable intellect and accomplishment, by the grace of the Almighty. Thanks for making my day, but I am not Javed A Khan.

    Congratulations on finding the politics page. Why don’t you share a joke with us on “V-Talk”, or tell us about a food recipe on the “Bavarchi Khana” page?

    By the way, I am from Manchester.

  90. #90 by khansahab on November 7, 2008 - 6:22 PM

    ‘Disrespect’ by captain, PCB forced me to join ICL: Yousuf

    Karachi, Nov 7 (PTI) Banned batsman Mohammad Yousuf today said the attitude of Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik towards him and the shabby treatment by the cricket board and national selectors had compelled him to join the ‘rebel’ Indian Cricket League (ICL).
    “I was compelled to join the ICL because of the behaviour of the board officials, the selectors and captain Shoaib Malik,” Yousuf told ‘Geo News’ channel from India.

    Yousuf was named in Pakistan’s squad for the series in Abu Dhabi from November 12 but flew off to India without informing the cricket board and rejoined the ICL. As a result he was banned by the PCB from playing for or in Pakistan.

    “For the last one and half years I have been under great mental stress and torture because I have been given no respect in the team,” Yousuf said.

    He said the impression that he had joined the ICL because he was greedy for money was completely wrong.

    “That is not the case at all because if I had just wanted money I was getting this even without playing in any league.” Yousuf said for him playing for Pakistan had always been his dream and priority. “Even today I am available for my country but it is upto the board to decide they want me to play or not. But now I am committed to play for the ICL as well,” he added.

    It is no secret that Yousuf has not got along well with Malik since the latter was made captain last year after the World Cup.

    Former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq has also said that senior players had complained to him about Malik and has advised the current skipper to change his attitude and improve his communication skills with players.

  91. #91 by khansahab on November 7, 2008 - 6:40 PM

    Yousuf’s decision to play in the ICL has left me with mixed feelings. Although I feel Pakistan will suffer in Test cricket because of Yousuf’s departure, in ODI’s and T20 I think Pakistan will gain significantly, owing to the following factors:

    1) Nowadays fitness and fielding is as important in limited overs games as batting or bowling. Yousuf was unfit and his fielding was consistently substandard. He has also been the architect of many crucial run outs that have lost Pakistan matches, being a poor runner.

    2) Youngsters like Mansoor Amjad and Fawad Alam will get more opportunities to play as a place is now up for grabs in the middle order.

    3) Misbah is likely to be promoted up the order which means his performance will improve. He has not fulfilled the role of the finisher, but he is very likely to fulfill the role of the “spine” of the team that takes the team very close to finishing with a victory.

  92. #92 by Sana on November 7, 2008 - 7:37 PM

    Hey Salam Abdul – dont think i am bubbly…not at all 😉 It is rather frustrating awaiting moderation. I like instant posting and instant responses.

    Khansahab – food recipes? Are you…erm, stereotyping a bit there? lol. I best go watch Coronation Street. I hope you are a fan, being a Mancunian our kid.

  93. #93 by Sana on November 7, 2008 - 7:59 PM

    >>The purpose of the Hot Gals page is to admire the appearance of women. The Hot Gals page does not show nudity and it is not intended to arouse anyone in a sexual way.

    Scuse em moi whilst i go and do a poll on this….

  94. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 7, 2008 - 10:22 PM

    Sana

    This is not a message board duckieO, its a blog and we can’t allow messages to appear instantly because its not in our hands its the wordpress.com feature and even if they had allowed its better to keep it this way otherwise, one fine morning we might get 1000 spam comments and flooding on the blog.

    Except for the moderators the rest of the comments wait in a queue but, they are updated as soon as possible. khansahab is in Manchester and Awas the other moderator is in London and moi, you know about me. So, be patient and why don’t you write something like your view instead of hopping around like a grasshopper?

    And, you know abdul is the baby of our blog even he knows the process of moderation, although he is only a teenager 😉 but, he knows more than you. 🙂

    And really its an achievement for you that you have discovered the POLITICS page today after struggling so hard for the last 3 days.

  95. #95 by Sana on November 7, 2008 - 10:40 PM

    >>This is not a message board duckieO, its a blog and we can’t allow messages to appear instantly because its not in our hands its the wordpress.com feature and even if they had allowed its better to keep it this way otherwise, one fine morning we might get 1000 spam comments and flooding on the blog.

    Oh right, i see….hmmmm.

    >>Except for the moderators the rest of the comments wait in a queue but, they are updated as soon as possible.

    But who does the updating? Say i want to speak ill of one of you, will someone rule that out? I mean, where’s the fun in not posting ALL comments 😉

    >>khansahab is in Manchester and Awas the other moderator is in London and moi, you know about me.

    Aye – you’re in New Mexico.

    >>So, be patient and why don’t you write something like your view instead of hopping around like a grasshopper?

    How can i start a post? Otherwise i am merely responding to what is already on here, and if i cant relate to it (like this kirkut section) then i have no option but to pop in and out of random postings.

    >>And, you know abdul is the baby of our blog even he knows the process of moderation, although he is only a teenager but, he knows more than you.

    Maybe he’s a techie geek and wears really thick glasses and never gets out much???

    >>And really its an achievement for you that you have discovered the POLITICS page today after struggling so hard for the last 3 days.

    Dont berate me for being slow man – that’s DISCRIMINATION!

  96. #96 by farrah, k.raja on November 7, 2008 - 11:03 PM

    I wanted to read about cricket today because often in my business meetings Gora people often comment ,”so how come you are a Pakistani and not interested in cricket?”
    I thought I should enlighten myself,What is happening in cricket.
    Now I am regretting maybe Sweetee and Sana will think ,I have started Women bosses bitchy dialogue seeing them.
    Actually I started the dialogue on that because I had to attend a personal greivances meeting today between female boss and sub-ordinate.
    And also I was interested to know being interested in black and white world of literature ,art , politics and business I am turning into one as well.
    So apart from that
    Sana and Sweetee it is good to see you.
    Mr.JK
    JFK stands for John F.Kennedy
    Definitely not for ,Javaid….,Farrah and………khansahab
    I think this much distance is enough.
    If hot gal page is for admiration of beauty,where is the statue of golden Kate Moss and statue of Venus for these are the beauties.
    hasrat un gunchoun pai jo bin khilai murjha gai

  97. #97 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 7, 2008 - 11:14 PM

    Farrah

    It wasn’t me who interpreted John F. Kennedy Airport into something else, its MUNIR whose imagination is always running wild, BECHARA SHARJAH MAY JO REHTA HAI, so thats why I gave him a pack of m&m. And, please I know my distances.

    And your Sher with a Hasrat unn ghunchaon pay is it directed towards Kate Moss? Gosh, I don’t like her.

    Sana

    You can’t start a thread on a blog duckieO this is not a message board, if you want people to respond to your comments, you have to first write your views/comments/opinions and wait for peoples responses.

  98. #98 by Sana on November 8, 2008 - 8:34 AM

    >>If hot gal page is for admiration of beauty,where is the statue of golden Kate Moss and statue of Venus for these are the beauties.

    Ooooh have you seen Ms Moss in her recent pics at a London airport without her makeup on? You wouldn’t look at her twice believe me! She’s now worried Revlon will drop her for looking “dog rough”.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1081823/From-airplane-airbrush-Vogue-transforms-Kate-Moss-blotchy-beautiful.html

    What annoys me is men and women who cant see beyond the airbrushing/slap/hair do’s and clothing so tight that people are made up to seek admiration, but it is rather false. Natural beauties dont need all that e.g. Angelina Jolie.

    Javed Khan – but my views and comments will be under somsone else’s thread? If i want to have a discussion on a topic where do i have that??!?!

  99. #99 by Sana on November 8, 2008 - 8:39 AM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1083845/Student-life-takes-toll-Lily-Cole-supermodel-suffers-outbreak-spots.html

    There’s another very average looking “supermodel” in her normal flesh. Really, i’ve seen better looking girls on the streets of London and Lahore!

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2008 - 11:16 AM

    Sana

    99 & 100

    I understand your concern here, “bakaoz” you are used to the message board system of creating a new thread yourself and then people comment under it, right? But, a blog doesn’t work like that. The readers or the bloggers cannot create a thread in a blog whereas, on a message board they can. So, thats the basic difference between a blog and a message board.

    Both your comments if they were created by the moderators would have appeared under a relative page. For e.g., this page is for cricket, we wouldn’t have posted it here. But, it would have gone into the hot gals page with a picture of Cole and then the link as well as the article and then people would have commented their views on that page and another new one on Kate Moss. I can show you that by actually doing it.

    But, you have to go to the hot gals page, clap at the entrance door before you step in i.e., if you don’t like to see their so-called indecent exposures and then click on the picture hof Holy Cole and Katy Moss with her Petemoss !

    So, go now and check out after 5 minutes of this message appearing on the blog.

  101. #101 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2008 - 11:31 AM

    sana

    its been done, you can see now. its just an example and we have done this before i.e., discussed models and actresses with and without make-up and I think there are pictures of them without make up too? Bakaoz I don’t browse on that page so much these days unless theossa is there and he writes something on Natalie Portman, other than Jo Lo, I don’t have much interest over there and that too is diminishing. 🙂

  102. #102 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2008 - 11:41 AM

    We all know from where Ijaz Butt speaks. Intekhab Alam likes to give company to his boss by way of SANGAT and he too is speaking his BUTT out. His latest comments on MoYo’s loss has come out without any thinking perhaps he doesn’t need any thinking, its just a matter of reflexes that he is on the throne and its all out, he has done another hugga now. Who on earth asks this idiot to speak on behalf of the PCB?

    He is saying Pakistan will not miss him much and went on blabbing and so did Shoaib Malik, when he was talking on the TV his, Adams Apple was yo-yo-ing and his girgit eyes had no shine in them aur, atak, atak ker as usual like a chronic constipated cat he blabbed out that he had never shown any disrespect towards Mohammad Yousuf and is surprised to hear this from him. As if Yousuf noo kuttay nay kaata and he is now complaining and making stories. We all know that Malik plays politics and wants only his buddies in the team who support him aur jin say isko apni CupTaani ka Khatra nahee. Such a timid, cunning sly fox he is thats why I call him a Pukka Meesna.

  103. #103 by khansahab on November 8, 2008 - 11:51 AM

    Sana

    I don’t like Kate Moss, Lily Cole or Angelina Jolie for that matter. Even when they are looking at their best.

    On LS we are sensitive to the fact that make up can transform a person’s appearance. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so some people may find those girls attractive whom you are labelling as not worthy of being attractive.

  104. #104 by Sana on November 8, 2008 - 11:57 AM

    Khansahab – i aint labelling no one as being unattractive. I am simply pointing out the powers of makeup/airbrush and whether without it someone would turn heads as they do on glossy magazine covers.

    Javed – your posts are too long to read. I am one of the soundbite culture. Not more than 2-3 lines please. It hurts my remaining brain cell.

    I still want to be able to start my own posts. If i cant, i’ll just have to ruin all the posts on here 🙂

  105. #105 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2008 - 11:58 AM

    Sana 99

    “Natural beauties dont need all that e.g. Angelina Jolie.”

    Are you kidding? Angelina Jolie is a natural beauty? Oh, Gosh it could just be a fluke thing, but last night I saw her movie on TV called “Girl Interrupted” based on Sussana Kaysen’s book and made in 1999 when she was young and even then she was looking like an ordinary girl without make up.

    Anyways, here is a link if it opens you can see her photo with and without make up:

    “Reportedly” she has breast implants as well lip augmentation and thats why they are so big. Especially she got her upper lip rhinoplasty and you call it NATURAL????

  106. #106 by Abdul on November 8, 2008 - 12:32 PM

    Well 3 days have flown by in Nagpur and now that were in the 2nd innings we are likely of a result in this test match of what I’m sure. India have the edge with an 86 run lead but u can never write of the agressive Aussies.

  107. #107 by khansahab on November 8, 2008 - 4:46 PM

    Seniors openly express dissent over skipper Malik’s behaviour

    Karachi, Nov 8 (PTI) Pakistan team plunged into a potential crisis after senior players, including Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Akhtar, openly expressed their grievances against captain Shoaib Malik’s behaviour in a team meeting here.

    Newly-appointed Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam today said after he encouraged the players to speak up openly, some seniors showed their dissent over Malik’s attitude in a nearly three-hour long meeting.

    Sources said Afridi and Akhtar, supported by some other players, questioned Malik’s conduct and said after becoming skipper, he has started showing disrespect to the seniors.

    The recent outburst against Malik came after veteran batsman Mohammad Yousuf held the skipper responsible for his sudden move to the rebel Indian Cricket League this week, saying in the last one year, he was under tremendous mental torture and stress because of Malik’s attitude.

    “I am really disappointed at the way Yousuf went to the ICL without talking to anyone. But what has happened in the past is now history and we have laid down a clear cut guideline for the players now,” Intikhab said.

    “But we have encouraged everyone to speak up and things are clear now. We have made it clear to the players that they will remain in the side only if they perform,” he added.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan team manager Yawar Saeed, one of the most seasoned cricket administrators in the country, opined with Intikhab and said he had accepted his current responsibility because of his love for the game.

    “I love cricket and I have dealt with some great players from Imran Khan to Javed Miandad to Wasm Akram, so it is not going to be difficult dealing with the current players. I have made myself clear there will be no leniency shown if someone violates the team code of conduct,” he said. PTI

  108. #108 by khansahab on November 8, 2008 - 7:40 PM

    Intikhab helps end Malik-Afridi rivalry

    Karachi, Nov 8 (IANS) Pakistan’s new cricket management is claiming to have ended one of the bitter rivalries in the national team — between skipper Shoaib Malik and senior allrounder Shahid Afridi.A well-placed source in the Pakistan team said Saturday that new Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam mediated between Malik and Afridi recently and managed to convince the players to give up their differences.

    “Malik and Afridi met in Karachi the other day and agreed to give up their differences. They also agreed to work together for the greater interest of the team,” the source said Saturday.

    Malik and Afridi have shared an uneasy relationship since last April when the former was chosen as the new Pakistan captain, succeeding Inzamam-ul-Haq soon after the team’s embarrassing first round exit from the 2007 World Cup.

    Afridi, who is much more senior to Malik, was fancying his own chances to become the captain and never hid his ambitions to get the job. It is widely believed in national cricket circles that Malik wanted to get the all-rounder dropped from the team. Afridi was dropped twice this year apparently on Malik’s insistence because of his poor form.

    However, Intikhab’s entry as coach seems to have help end the friction between two of the most experienced players in the side.

    The source said that in the meeting, Malik and Afridi vowed to put their differences aside and develop greater understanding in a bid to avoid any friction in the future.

    Intikhab, 66, had vowed to promote greater harmony in the Pakistan team soon after taking over as coach last month.

    The former Pakistan captain is currently working with the team in Karachi ahead of a three-match ODI series against the West Indies to be played from Nov 12-16. The Pakistan team is scheduled to fly for Abu Dhabi Sunday.

  109. #109 by Pawan on November 9, 2008 - 2:39 AM

    Quote

    Intikhab said India had improved immensely in recent times and they would prove to be tough opponents when they tour Pakistan early next year.

    “It is going to be one hell of a series because presently I fancy we could also have beaten Australia,” he said.

    Unquote

    What rubbish? Pakistan beating Australia? Apparantly Mr. Alam is very much out of touch of reality, which might bite him soon. Australian’s never give up and they are not at all as bad a team as the media is projecting.

    Good luck

  110. #110 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2008 - 6:43 AM

    Pawan

    4th day lunch time India 98/0 a lead of 184, in my opinion India is playing slow. They should have scored 120 plus before lunch. Only 64 overs are remaining before the end of the day’s play. If India declares 30 minutes before the end of the day’s play then it means nothing. They need to bowl at least 15 overs to get at least one wicket today to add pressure on them tomorrow morning. This is the chance Dhoni has to take. A lead of 350 imo is good enough on a turning wicket. Australia will never go aggressive on the 5th day if one of their star batsman is out today.

    It seems like India wants to retain the series win by playing a draw. But, Dhoni has to take chance and ask Sehwag to go berserk and then he should come up and attack their bowlers instead of sending Dravid. Dravid was out on a duck in the first innings and he might play a slow innings to score some runs to end his career on a high note. So, no point in sending him at number 3. He should come himself at number 3 and then Tendulkar at no.4 The sooner they pile the runs the better it is for India.

    As regards Intekhab Alam he is an ole Part. So, ignore his comments, but India can win this match here if they play aggressively. Good luck India.

  111. #111 by khansahab on November 9, 2008 - 10:48 AM

    Pawan

    You are right- Intikhab’s comment was totally wrong.

    It’s not that Australia has become a bad team; India has become a good team.

    That is the reason why India is going to win this Test series.

  112. #112 by khansahab on November 9, 2008 - 11:05 AM

    Looks like Australia will get a lead of about 400 to chase for victory. My guess is we will see a result in this Test, because Australians will come out with all guns blazing. Either Australia will score at over 4 runs per over and go on to win this Test, or India will get them out for less than 300 probably.

    I think India have a decent chance of winning this Test because I don’t feel Australia will be able to keep wickets in hand with Harbhajan and Mishra in good form.

  113. #113 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2008 - 3:20 PM

    Dhoni

    played the conventional cricket, he did not change the batting order and the result is in front of you. None of the 4 big guns could blaze and got out cheaply in that pursuit. Whereas, Dhoni himself with Harbhajjan added some valuable runs in the end. If India had this much lead earlier on due to fast scoring then there was more chance of getting at least a wicket if not two and things would have been different on day 5.

    Still, India has got a chance because the moment Hayden or Katich are gone they will be defensive and to score 369 on the last day against a turning wicket and that too with the pressure of loosing not only the match but, the series 2-0 would slow down the Australians and they cannot afford to take changes against Harbhjanna and Mishra. So, if there is a result, it will be IN INDIA’S FAVOUR.

    If Australia draws this match, it will be an achievement for them. Therefore, once again my point, Dhoni should play aggressive cricket and attack them.

  114. #114 by Abdul on November 9, 2008 - 4:35 PM

    Have we got a test match on our hands to conlude an excitining Gavaskar-Border series.Austrlia will want to level procedings and will have an agressive mind set to go for the target regardless of the task in order to RETAIN the trophy. India however will fancy there chances of even winning the match and taking the series 2-0. So an interesting day lies on our hands with all 3 results possible.

    Menanwhile have we got a run chase on our hands in the ICL. It was an outstanding batting display from the Badshads with everyone contributing and many glittering fireworks. However, Chenai are fighting back hard with some lusty blows so don’t write them of as yet they are well and running with the rate.

  115. #115 by Amit. P on November 9, 2008 - 5:05 PM

    Javed,

    It was difficult in post lunch session to score fast specially Indian trick was not to give Oz a hold on this match. Today they maintained the red cherry well and demarcation between shiny and rough side was very clear. Result could be seen in Watson bowling .. he was looking most threatening with his reverse swing going. Although Sehwag got out off Lee in rather unlucky manner but he could have been bowled or got out LBW by Watson anytime. It was Watson effect that India tried to secure wicket in that crucial time.
    Having said that, they overdid it. It was beyond comprehension what Sachin and Laxman were trying to do …. just killing time and no runs ? It wasn’t that much great bowling that they cant even score @ 2.5 . Thanx to Ponting for taking too much time for field setting and all those gibberish with Umpire that he was forced to go with part-timers to compensate their bowling rate. And Dhoni took this opportunity to climb India’s run-rate.

    Tomorrow Oz will definitely try to score fast atleast in the morning session when ball will be new with no conventional swing. It is upto Dhoni what strategy he is going to apply. Will we again witness 8-1 defense as in the first inning for morning session and then go attack in post lunch session ? That trick worked in the first inning ….. but the question is can they repeat that accuracy again … specially when Hayden try to manufacture strokes on the onside? This is the best match of this series … and well poised for fascinating last day.

  116. #116 by Pawan on November 9, 2008 - 8:28 PM

    There is no limit to self-improvement friends. No matter where or when you start, you can get what you want. Read this Dhoni’s short story. Source: Cricinfo Surfer

    Quote

    “He rode the bike with us, played with us, ate with us, spoke our language…We fought amongst ourselves and then made up. And then suddenly he makes it big in no time, like a fairy tale. We never imagined he had it in him,” says Soma, who used to keep wickets to Dhoni’s bowling for the para team, Durga Sporting. Yes, Dhoni also bowled then. “He used to bowl pretty fast. When he bowled with a leather ball, it even swung,” adds Soma.
    ……………….
    “Once, after he received the man-of-the-match trophy from Bengal spinner Shiv Sagar Singh at the tournament finals in Panskura in 2002, Mahi was asked to say something. But he just told the organiser apologetically: “Mujhe bolna nahin ata (I can’t make a speech).” This same guy is so articulate now. His speech is so polished. It’s like magic,” says Sinha.

    Unquote

  117. #117 by khansahab on November 9, 2008 - 8:57 PM

    India’s future appears rosier than Australia’s

    Ian Chappell
    November 09, 2008

    Australia and India have provided some epic battles in the last decade. But where are they headed once this hard fought series is over?

    For many years, Australia have been winning over 70 per cent of their matches thanks to a strong and varied attack built around the magic of Shane Warne and the miserly accuracy of Glenn McGrath. Suddenly in India they find themselves with a reasonable pace attack, albeit not entirely suited to Indian conditions and a spin attack too dependant on a bunch of slow bowling part-timers. Not surprisingly, they were unable to dismiss India cheaply and there were serious questions about the whereabouts of the next wicket-taking spinner.

    Despite the uncertainty surrounding Australia’s slow bowling stocks, they still have an extremely strong batting line-up headed by the brilliant Ricky Ponting and the belligerent Matthew Hayden. They were still going to post decent scores but, only supported by an unbalanced attack, they could expect to endure a few more losses and a lot more draws.

    Then Jason Krejza made a belated but telling appearance in the series and suddenly the Australian attack appeared a lot better balanced. When looking at the prospects of a team, the first thing to evaluate is the attack; a team will not win consistently without a strong and balanced bowling quartet.

    This is why India’s future, despite an aging middle-order, appeared much rosier than Australia throughout the series. They have the ideal balance in attack; a left-arm pace bowler who swings the ball, a thoughtful, tall right-armer with pace and bounce, followed by a successful off-spinner and a budding leg-spinner.

    There appears to be depth in both pace and spin but India’s flaw, and it has been with them for a long time, is the failure to produce a top-class all-rounder. Apart from that headache the big question for India is one of timing; is the great batting era passing just as the attack is reaching full potency?

    There are signs that India have some viable replacement batting options. In Virender Sehwag and Gautam Gambhir they have a dynamic opening combination that should be around for some time. The promising debut of Murali Vijay should give confidence that there’s a replacement opener on call for any emergency. He also looked like he could easily fill a top order batting slot, particularly at No. 3 where Rahul Dravid is now struggling.

    Then there’s Rohit Sharma who was impressive in both technique and temperament when he toured Australia. He’s now turning potential into consistent runs at the first-class level and the way is now open to blood him in the Test side with Sourav Ganguly retiring.

    With Sachin Tendulkar and VVS Laxman still displaying good form, they should be around for a while to guide the younger players.

    The one area of concern for the Indian selectors is to find young players who can both bat and field. At crucial times in the current series India had the chance to put Australia away but didn’t because of sloppy fielding. No team can expect to dominate without good catching to back strong bowling.

    So are these two teams, who have provided world cricket with rare tense Test matches it desperately needs, heading in opposite directions?

    There are a couple of things you know about Australian cricket; they will continue to bat well and their out cricket (fielding and running between wickets) is generally of a high standard and they will always play hard for the full five days. A depleted attack will see their winning percentage drop considerably.

    Unless India address their flaws in the field and the lack of an all-rounder they will continue to play slightly below the potential of a team with a potent attack.

    These aspects will also stop India supplanting Australia as the dominant number one but the rivalry should still be ongoing and extremely intense.

  118. #118 by khansahab on November 9, 2008 - 9:03 PM

    Ian Chappell is generally seen as a neutral and analytical commentator and I tend to agree with most of his views.

    He suggests India needs an all rounder but I disagree. That is because unless India finds someone like Kallis or Flintoff they should let things be. One of the things that has worked to India’s advantage of late is the fact that the specialist bowlers are batting ably at the end of the innings, be it Kumble, Harbhajan or Zaheer Khan. Why get an all rounder and upset the consistency and efficacy in bowling?

    Zaheer and Harbhajan should definitely be called all rounders now.

    In terms of fielding I agree India needs to improve.

  119. #119 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2008 - 4:02 AM

    Pawan

    Thats because Dhoni is a keen learner and when he made his millions he realized that he is in a different league now and in order to fit in that league he has changed his lifestyle, hairstyle and his walking, talking habits too. He no more makes that stupid noise “Aiyeeeee” or “Catch it” on every ball and every shot.

    He learned English and hired an image manager to teach him mannerism and how to speak thats why he is so articulate now. Where there is a will there is a way.

    Look at Shoaib Malik, there is so much complacency and lethargy in him that can be seen from the way he walk, talk and sit. I am sorry to say myself being a Pakistani Canadian, we think too much about ourself and we don’t want to improve, in fact we think that we already know everything and there is no room for improvement.

    Arun Lal may be an ear sore but, his English is far better than most Pakistani commentators unlike Waqar and Sohail who are committing grammatical blasphemies Arun Lal choose right word (minus his takia kalam “Just what the Dr. ordered”) he is fine.

    Whereas, our Jiyalas they say, I play kirkit, I happy. And the paindoo ex-PM Ganja Nawab says, “I am agree” on everything he agrees………. basically its like “Mai Muttafiq hoon” ka literal translation.

    Waiting for the game to start, I had a siesta today after lunch so I am not sleepy at all and it would be interesting to see how Hayden and Katich takes on the Indian fast bowling attack this morning.

  120. #120 by Sakthi on November 10, 2008 - 1:01 PM

    India won the series! But I am upset because one of the liveliest characters of Indian cricket is retiring today! He has done so much to bring the Indian cricket team to this level.

    I don’t know if we would be able to see such a character in near future in Indian team.

    We will miss you dada!!

  121. #121 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2008 - 5:52 PM

    CONGRATULATIONS to all Indian friends for the fantastic 2-0 series win against Australia.

    Now, wait for the new thread on DADA Ganguly.

    All the best.

  122. #122 by khansahab on November 10, 2008 - 5:58 PM

    Sohail lands Pakistan academy post

    Cricinfo staff

    November 10, 2008

    Aamer Sohail, the former Pakistan captain and opener, has been appointed director of the National Cricket Academy (NCA), replacing Mudassar Nazar who left for a coaching post with the ICC last month.

    The decision was taken by the PCB’s governing board who met today for the first time under the chairmanship of Ijaz Butt. Sohail had been widely touted to pick up a key role in the current administration, though many had thought he would resurrect his role as chief selector again. He first held that position in 2003.

    “I think it is a challenging role,” Sohail told Cricinfo. “But it is one I am really looking forward to. Over the last few years we have trained so many coaches at the NCA – about 250 of them – and we don’t have enough players for that number. The challenge is to strike a balance so that coaches are working in the right areas with players.”

    A mild controversy had broken out over the post last week when Salim Malik claimed he had been offered the post. That was later denied by the board.

    No decision was taken at the meeting on the new selection committee; currently Saleem Jaffar heads an interim committee which includes Ijaz Ahmed and Shoaib Mohammad as members. Ijaz, however, is said to be in line for a more senior role, possibly as fielding coach for the national side.

    But the board has welcomed back Wasim Bari, the former wicketkeeper and chief selector, into the fold, appointing him director of human resources and administration. Salim Altaf’s redesignation to chief operating officer – taking over from Shafqat Naghmi – was also approved at the meeting.

  123. #123 by khansahab on November 10, 2008 - 6:00 PM

    Yes, congratulations to our Indian visitors for this fantastic series victory.

    Australia and South Africa are no longer the top cricketing sides. I don’t remember any team beating Australia so convincingly in the recent past. India dominated them completely. The better team won.

  124. #124 by Abdul on November 10, 2008 - 6:11 PM

    Yes Javed u called it – congratulations all Indian friends for their there 2-0 series triumph. This victory shows that India are now one of the best teams in the world and also emphasises on my contionous point that their seems to be a decline in Austrlian cricket and there will no be more competetion at test match level.

    Today was also a repeat of yesterday’s ICL encounter between Badshahs and Superstars and yet again the Badshas cruised to victory with the sylish and experienced Inzamam Ul Huq being the man of the match. Usually Paksitani teams have a history of slumping when it most matters but today they reapeated another impressive victory under pressure circumstances.

    I also hope with the amount of talent this line up has that the PCB recognise there performances and select the likes of Imran Nazir for next years t20 world cup in England. It shall be an excellent exhibition and alot of attention shall be seeked in the Pakistani community especially with England in our group.

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