After Mumbai Attacks, people of Gujrat wants Pakistan to be declared as a terrorist country.

After Mumbai Attacks, people of Gujrat wants Pakistan to be declared as a terrorist country.

After reading Pawan &

khansahab’s comments on LS, this is an impromptu from me. I am motivated to write this thread. Although, I was neither surprised nor shocked on India’s canceling Pakistan’s tour next month. In fact I have been saying that people like Misbah are dreaming when two days ago Misbah said, India must tour Pakistan.

Hindu Extremist don't want Pakistanis on their soil either

Hindu Extremist don't want Pakistanis on their soil either

As a Pakistani origin Canadian I would have wanted Pakistan to take this initiative and cancel this tour after seeing and hearing all the news that is on TV and the Internet. Butt & Co. were gyrating their hips in front of India with a “kashkole” (begging bowl)  and literally begging them to come or at least agree to play at a neutral ground. Any Pakistani with some self-esteem and self-respect wouldn’t have done what Butt & Co. had done. Even Ramiz Raja pointed out the samething what we here at the LS have been raving and ranting from the beginning that Pakistan should not loose its respect and dignity. This is what Ramiz Raja has said in his recent article:

“Reports confirm that while India is reticent, Pakistan is bending backwards to lure them into a contest, even at a neutral venue. I guess the prospect of a cash stimulus has got Pakistan thinking excitedly. Agreed, an Indian series is too lucrative to pass over, but is making overtures and running after India with a begging bowl the way to conduct cricket business? Doesn’t the PCB get the message that India is not yet emotionally ready to play Pakistan?”

Although Ramiz’s view on team building is something entirely unrelated to the current situation where he said, “Pakistan missed an opportunity. If the PCB had capitalised on its marquee team in the 80s and 90s, Pakistan would perhaps not be world cricket’s outcast today.” Pakistan is a victim of terrorism right now and whether the team had remained number one in the world, would not have changed the situation. But, India on the other hand could have played a better role by being fair. Instead their role is very hypocritical and double faced.

Shashank Manohar the President of BCCI said, “as the dust settles cricket will resume between the two countries.” This is absurd, the situation will worsen further if they don’t play cricket. The way the Indian officials persuaded English team to come back and assured them of security and the England team also accepted and came back shows their dual standards too.

Imran Khan in London speaking against India's calling off the tour to Pakistan

Imran Khan in London speaking against India's calling off the tour to Pakistan

Imran Khan who is currently in London said, ” This will not help build up trust (between the two countries) and it is a wrong decision by the Indians. When some English cricketers had security concerns going back to India they were told if they didn’t return it would be a victory for the terrorists behind the Mumbai attacks. While deciding on the Pakistan tour they should have thought in similar fashion. The cancellation of the series is not good for cricket in the region.”

Shahid Afridi  told Geo TV: “sports is the best way of bringing nations closer. Cricket should go on if they (India) want to normalize relations with Pakistan. And, Pakistan toured India in 2005 and 2007 despite a tense security situation. Pakistan never refused and we went there with open hearts because their government and the cricket board gave us the security assurances. When our government and the cricket board had given them security assurance this time, I think they should have believed us.”

Afridi talking to the media, upset on India canceling the tour

Afridi talking to the media, upset on India canceling the tour

Now, all eyes are focused on Sri Lanka who are already throwing tantrums, as we heard through the media that for going to South Africa and play a tri-nation ODI tournament, between them, SA and PAK they were offered $300,000 and they were demanding $1,000,000. It shows that when your chips are down and luck is not in your favour everyone seems to be hurting you from every nook and corner. The cancellation of this tour means a lot to Pakistan, its not just the $25-30 million financial loss of revenue but, Pakistani team is getting deprived of playing international cricket. And Sri Lanka is trying to take advantage of the situation.

The reason India has begged England to come and play the test matches wasn’t simply to prove that they can provide security to the players and more than anything they were worried about the next year IPL and the 2011 World Cup financial losses. Whether the Pakistani players play for IPL or not is not India’sconcern, because people like Glen McGrath, Adam Gilchrist, Andy Symonds etc., have already confirmed their participation in the next IPL. Flintoff and Pieterson is also willing to play for the IPL. India will not be displaying their cards and the BCCI will be keeping a poker face and leaving everything for their government to decide. For them it is not important whether Pakistan will host the 2011 World Cup or not, because they would like to have the cake and it too.

It is not that Pakistan would not like to host the WC in 2011, but the big teams would not like to come to Pakistan and play and India will say, they are there to host the whole of the WC tournament  “avec plasir” (with pleasure). I am very disappointed – not because India is not touring – but because of India’s hypocrisy and dual standards they have displayed in this situation. And this is not a victory for the terrorist, but it is a victory for the Indian Hindu Fundamentalists Neo-fascists who are out there vowing to take revenge from Pakistan if their player (or any Pakistani) if they come to India.

Mind you not a single political, religious, ethnic or any party in Pakistan has said anything against India or Indian cricket team, in fact they have always gone out of their way to extend hospitality and entertained them, protected them, accommodated them offered free gifts and free food at the restaurants, in other words, “Sir pay bithaya” and this is what we got in return?

Yes, like most of you I am hurt by this stupid decision. I would like to tell the Pakistan cricket team through our blog that this is not the end of the world and, I advise them to take it calmly and gracefully. Perhaps this is what is Allah’s will and, there must be something good that will come out of it. Perhaps this is a moral victory for Pakistan and from here they will rise above everything – Inshallah. Not only I wish, but I also pray for them very sincerely for their success in their future endeavours – Ameen.

  1. #1 by Wasim on December 19, 2008 - 7:43 AM

    India will regret their decision this time as they have more on stake than Pakistan.

    Pakistan should impose a ban on it’s players to play for ICL and IPL.

  2. #2 by Abdul on December 19, 2008 - 9:46 AM

    Now though I’m afraid the time isn’t right and we should settle for a cancellation and allow proceedings to settle before competing in a cricket series. Yes we have lost out on cricket and we’ve hardly played any in the last year and a half but I agree with Ramiz Raja on this topic.

    However, our Sri Lankan friends are ready for a series so we still have cricket on our shoulders and I’m sure it’ll be a cracking series.

    Disappointing, of course but we must wait for proceedings to settle before resuming in a cricket series as Ramiz so correctly quoted and I still hope we see many more “bigger than the ashes clashes matches” in years to come.

  3. #3 by Awas on December 19, 2008 - 1:27 PM

    Good to see Dravid getting into the groove again. I wonder if he will call it a day after this series and finish on a high note.

    Cancellation of Pak/India series is really disappointing. It’s definitely a political decision.

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 19, 2008 - 2:30 PM

    Yes Wasim, you and I may share a same view that they should be banned for playing ICL and IPL. But there are those in the PCB who are bent over backwards to please India at any cost. Also, if you ask any individual player, whether he is willing to play for IPL and ICL after this and see what they will say? I won’t be surprised if they say yes we will go and play. There has to be a nationalistic approach that needs to be instilled in their psyche and that comes above their personal gains and interest and once they are made to realize that, they will say no.

    On the other hand India is blinded by its financial might and are assuming that all teams will come and play for IPL and ICL (including Pakistan) If Indian political and neo-fascists groups are so strong that they can influence the BCCI to cancel the tour. They will also warn the BCCI to not invite any Pakistani player on Indian soil. Then, the pressure groups in Pakistan must also protest Pakistan playing against India at any venue.

    The cricket relations have gone sour and in order to normalize the cricket relations, India has to make a move to resume between cricket between India and Pakistan and the way I see it is: (which is not likely to happen, I know.)

    1. India compensates Pakistan for the financial losses.
    2. India officially apologize for their hypocrisy and stupid decision.
    3. India must come to Pakistan first as per schedule.

    There is no need to play with India on neutral grounds. Pakistan should try to play with other nations in their home country until then they must restructure their own team and arrange good domestic cricket, organize 20/20 tournaments between Lahore Badshahs and the rest.

    Players like, Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat, Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Yousuf should be included in the national team on merit basis. There is no dearth of players in Pakistan. They should set aside the regional politics and create two strong teams plus a few more for a tournament.

    India’s cancellation of the tour is not the end of the world. Let the time for the 2011 WC approach near and see how India would be panicking. Especially if their home-grown terrorists take their games to the cricket grounds. In that case what would they be doing? Blaming Pakistan once again? India will regret this later, by refusing to join hands with Pakistan in fighting terrorism this was a big opportunity and they missed it. Their attitude right now is not that they ‘have missed the train,’ but, “the train went without me!”

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 19, 2008 - 2:46 PM

    Awas yeah Dravid is still there like a wall. But both of them played a very slow innings, see that’s what happens when a player like Sehwag gives a flying start, the rest of the team capitalize, he got out cheaply and they are playing the usual tuk-tuk-tuk….. Even though Gambhir has scored a hundred but its very slow and the match could very easily move towards a DRAW if the current batting trend continues. At the moment there is no interest in the game if it is played so slow.

    Australia after 3/15 in the first innings have taken control of the game and are 323 runs ahead with 3 wickets in hand and Johnson was outstanding with 8 wickets you never know what happens in the 4th innings.

    Btw, has anyone read the news. Asif Zardari has appointed Javed Miandad as a member of a a member of the PCB’s Governing Board? He is also the Director General of the PCB.

    What is confusing is this part of the report “‘Javed Miandad, a former captain of Pakistan cricket team will replace Ijaz Butt in the Test cricketer’s category of the Governing Board,’ a PCB press release stated.”

    Besides the other two posts, Miandad has been appointed as cricket ambassador to China. Thats some long term planning.

  6. #6 by Abdul on December 19, 2008 - 3:58 PM

    I’ve been impressed by this Jason Jrezja as a test cricketer. He’s a wicket taking off spinner and can make good contributions with bat and fielding too.

    What makes him unique is his ability to flight the ball and he can extract good spin and rotation as well. He’s already made amends in international cricket so far against the Indians and bowled with consistency against South Africa in the first innings and that delivery that bowled a classy player like Amla through the gate was an absolute wripper.Interesting prospect and regarding he stays fit I’m sure he’ll capture many wickets in years to come.

    Meanwhile what a dull opening day in Mohali but applauds to Gambhir who’s developed into a top opener in the last year and was on fire today. But on the whole the test is going to be affected by bad light and with only the 1 wicket falling on the opening day a draw is looking to be the most likely result. But I saw some of the LBWS on TV and the Dravid and Gambhir both looked out from my vision.

  7. #7 by An Indian on December 19, 2008 - 4:15 PM

    Dear Pakistani friends,

    We all are disappointed at the cancellation, and the downward spiralling of Indian-Pakistan relationship. However, you all fail to see why India has to take a stance. Your PCB head is Daoud’s in-law and Mumai terror was sponsored by Daud. Even if it was not sposored by him, he has been in the most-wanted list of India. But did anyone in Pakistan raise any voice to hand-over him? Cricket and similar niceties can not be staged in vacuum. When there is so much tension between us, what good Cricket will do? The best thing for India and Pakistan is to do forget about each other for teh next 50 years until we both have our houses in order. There is no point in half-baked peace process when we are always at our throats. Please do not see everything as India’s fault.

    Peace is more important than cricket! Peace be on us…

  8. #8 by khansahab on December 19, 2008 - 6:47 PM

    Expat Indian authors revel in Pak-bashing fest

    By Masood Haider

    Friday, 19 Dec, 2008

    NEW YORK: A panel discussion titled ‘Understanding Mumbai Attacks’ at New York’s Asia Society on Wednesday evening became a one-sided Pakistan bashing event, with writer Salman Rushdie taking the lead in berating Pakistan and its ruling ‘elite’.

    Pakistan’s former ambassador to the United Nations Munir Akram had been invited as one of the panelists but he was suddenly taken off, making it a fairly one-sided affair.

    Mr Akram told Pakistani reporters that he had accepted the panel position to defend Pakistan’s stance, but a day before the discussion he was informed that the format had been changed. He could no longer be on the panel but could speak from the floor when called upon to do so.

    To hear the full panel discussion and excerpts

    on the Asia Society website, click here

    Besides Rushdie, authors Mira Kamdar and Suketu Mehta were the other two panelists at the discussion organised jointly by the Asia Society, the South Asian Journalist Association and the Indo-American Arts Council. Vishakha Desai, an Indian-American, is the president of Asia Society.

    ‘The headquarters of the Al Qaeda, the headquarters of the Taliban, the headquarters of Lashkar-e-Tayiba, the headquarters of Jaish-e-Mohammad is in the world centre of terrorism — Pakistan,’ Rushdie told a packed auditorium of the Asia Society while participating in the discussion.

    ‘All the roads of world terrorism lead to Pakistan,’ he said.

    Pakistan is ‘a basketcase… a decreasingly functioning society which has no institutions on which a free society could be built,’ Rushdie continued.

    The three Indian authors severely criticised Pakistan, accusing its leadership of not taking any action against terrorists and denying that those responsible for the Mumbai strike were Pakistanis despite ‘credible proof’.

    Rushdie also lambasted the Bush administration for handing over billions of dollars in aid without ensuring that Pakistan was really fighting terrorism. ‘We have treated Pakistan with velvet gloves and what we have got in result is zero.’

    Mehta called for declaring the ISI a terrorist outfit, saying, ‘They are behind the attack on Indian Embassy in Kabul. They are behind the attacks in Bombay. They should be banned first and foremost for the sake of Pakistan itself.’

    Many Pakistanis in New York are questioning the wisdom of Asia Society management to hold such a discussion which at the end became a Pakistan-bashing fest without inviting a credible voice from Pakistan to explain Pakistan’s position.

  9. #9 by Amit. P on December 19, 2008 - 8:16 PM

    Apart from obvious political reasons, Indian gov. is in sync with mass opinion on this matter. I haven’t met anyone so far after 26/11 who wants to see Indian team playing in Pak. In these dire situations cricket reduced to just a game, nothing more. This is unfortunate for both BCCI and PCB.

  10. #10 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 19, 2008 - 9:14 PM

    Dear Indian;

    Yes you are right that peace is more important than cricket. But, cricket was the reason that the two countries came closer to each other and the guy who took the initiative was Pervez Musharraf he not only took keen interest in cricket by watching all important games between the two countries but, he went to India not just to see the cricket matches (which was cricket diplomacy) but, he also met the Indian leaders and tried to resolve the old political issues which were pending and he released the tension. And, we all saw a clean atmosphere between the two countries.

    Now, the same old folks from both sides have created tension once again and for your information even if we build a “Berlin Wall” at our borders, our houses cannot be in order until and unless we clear our hearts and, for that open dialogue is needed and we need to listen to each others grievances and not only listen but, try to understand and solve them amicably and sincerely. Unless we resolve this at the grass root level things are not going to change.

    My friend “theo” said, that our last generation has failed us and he gave the reasoning behind it, but this is our generation, we need to do a lot for our next generation otherwise, on both sides children of tomorrow will be alien to each other. Perhaps they will be die hard enemies, do we want this?

    It may sound very weird or my statement would sound bizarre if I say that the 1947 line should be redesigned and reconstructed with Kashmir and East Punjab including Hariyana which were originally meant to be on Pakistan’s side be re-allocated to Pakistan and giving the 150 million Indian Muslims an option to move or migrate. And then, a proper demarcation of international borders be done under the supervision of the UNO and other superpowers. I know this will never happen, at least not in our life time but, may be one day if things keep going on like this it would be better to think on these lines to avoid a large scale war. Redividing the boundaries and living peacefully is another option and a long term solution.

  11. #11 by farrah, k.raja on December 19, 2008 - 9:34 PM

    Dear Indian
    I am no fan of criket but I know even before Mushraff it was Gen Zia who won the wars between India and Pakistan on the criket ground probably India has not forgotten the beating and taken the better route to save themselves from embarassement.
    If you need I can post the guardian link that is if you can put up to read the whole comprehensive analysis for two lines .
    The more lies India is smearing on Pakistan the more quickly it is degenrating ,India is in need of urgent plastic surgery.
    what do we Pakistanis have to do .Nothing.
    We are not a threat to USA ,India is because of space invasion.Matter of time we have all the patience in the world.

  12. #12 by Wasim on December 19, 2008 - 11:58 PM


    The decision is of Asif Zardari and that is why Butt went to brief him and take instructions from him on the issue.

    PCB is going to have a general body meeting on Tuesday and they are going to announce a policy for future Cricket with India.

    I agree with you that PCB should look for other options, they should start organizing PPL and should launch it from Dubai.

  13. #13 by wasim on December 20, 2008 - 2:42 AM

    India has not canceled the tour on the pretext of security like most of the players are saying they have done it because of the Mumbai blasts, it means that this policy will continue indefinitely so I don’t think Pakistan should show any goodwill gesture by authorizing it’s players for ICL and IPL.

  14. #14 by wasim on December 20, 2008 - 2:46 AM

    The business mangers at PCB should devise another business model for PPL which should involve revenue sharing between the boards unlike ICL/IPL and should take WI, SL, NZ,Zimb and Banladesh on board, that way there is a chance that these boards will be willing to allow their players to participate in PPL.

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 20, 2008 - 3:16 AM

    I think you have to take out New Zea land out of that list, they are NO different than Australia.

  16. #16 by Wasim on December 20, 2008 - 5:28 AM

    Policy wise yes but they are also desperately in need of funds.

  17. #17 by khansahab on December 20, 2008 - 9:04 AM

    Remove ban on ICL players to send a message to BCCI: Inzamam

    Former captains Inzamam-ul-Haq and Rashid Latif on Friday asked the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to lift the ban imposed on Pakistani players aligned with Indian Cricket League (ICL) after the BCCI cancelled it team’s tour to Pakistan.

    Inzamam and Latif both urged the PCB to lift the ban imposed on the Pakistani players in the ICL from playing domestic cricket.

    “Our cricket is facing problems and I see no purpose now of having bans on the players who have contracts with the ICL. The board needs to give a strong response to Indian cricket,” Inzamam said.

    Latif supported Inzamam and said India had shown it had no sympathy for Pakistan cricket by cancelling its Test tour.

    “If India cannot support us at this time when they know Pakistan cricket is facing so many problems due to refusal of teams to tour, then why should the board support their stance on the ICL,” Latif said.

    “Why should our board support them in any way. The best answer is to lift the ban on the ICL players from this season onwards,” he said.

    PCB had banned around 18 players including Inzamam and senior batsman Mohammad Yousuf from playing domestic cricket because of their contracts with the ICL.

    Inzamam said Pakistan now need to start arranging more away series to offset the problems of teams not touring Pakistan.

    “Whether we like it or not we should be well prepared and have a contingency plan in place to avoid being left without any cricket,” Inzamam said.

  18. #18 by khansahab on December 20, 2008 - 10:01 AM

    Fans to build Dhoni temple in Ranchi

    Indian cricket captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni will soon be worshipped. The Dhoni Fans Club on Saturday announced they would build a temple in his home town Ranchi.

    The temple will have a statue of Dhoni and will be built with the money collected by his fans. Construction will begin Jan 14.

    This is perhaps the first time that a temple will be built to worship a cricketer. In south India temples have been built to worship some film stars.

    “We have decided to construct a temple to god of cricket Mahendra Singh Dhoni in Ranchi. He will be worshipped like gods are worshipped in the temple,” president of Dhoni Fans Club Jitendra Singh told reporters here.

    He said photographs of Dhoni will also be displayed on the walls of the proposed temple, which will come up in Hawai Nagar of Ranchi.

    “Dhoni is god for us. With his entry in Indian cricket, Jharkhand was put on the international map. People here are recognised due to him. We get respect in other states. Dhoni has changed the face of Indian cricket,” said Rajesh Kumar, a fan.

  19. #19 by khansahab on December 20, 2008 - 11:36 AM

    Normally when I observe the unity Indians have and their nationalism, I can’t help but respect them because that is a major cause as to why they are emerging as a successful nation. To most Indians, what matters most is that they hail from one country and that thought is given precedence over what their religion or ethnicity might be.

    However there is a difference between nationalism and jingoism. Jingoism is when the interests of your own people or own country is perceived to be more important than the other country, and you see yourself as superior and the other country as inferior.

    I am very sad to say that this decision by the Indian government is a purely jingoistic decision. It is devoid of all common sense and rationality. It is an emotional decision based on a completely erroneous perception of a nation of more than 170 million inhabitants.

    Either the Indian government is very naive, or very sinister to make such a decision. By naive I mean, either it doesn’t know that the common Pakistan does not support terrorism and that the common Pakistani wants peaceful relations with India. Or, it is very sinister in that it knows the vulnerability of Pakistan cricket, which is actually a direct consequence of Pakistan being a victim of terrorism itself. Why can’t the Indian government see that the very reason Pakistan needed to play India in this series was because Pakistan cricket itself is a victim of terror having lots millions in revenue, sponsorship rights etc because of the reluctance of other teams to play in Pakistan?

    The immediate reaction which Pakistanis had over the Mumbai attacks was one of sympathy and regret for the Indians. No other country could have felt more for India as far as this atrocity is concerned, because Pakistan itself faces terrorist attacks almost everyday. The world has become used to suicide bombers and car bombs exploding in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq; strangely, three countries that the USA decided to invade post 9/11.

    The Indian public and government has taken a very infantile approach to these attacks. Terror is meant to create feelings of negativity between countrymen, other countries, politicians, everyone in the world essentially. By responding negatively and bullying Pakistan, India has really shown its vulnerability. It has shown that its people are still irrational, that they would prefer jingoism over patriotism, that it is not ready to make peace with Pakistan. In fact, we almost feel India needs an excuse to fight a war.

    This somehow leads me to the title of this thread, “India going backwards”, because that is very true. This is not the type of attitude one expects from a modern, progressive emerging superpower. India has decided to mix politics with sports yet again, and in the most sinister and questionable context. The whole idea of sport is for people to gel together and come together.

    Terrorism is the most heinous and unpardonable crime because one man’s, or one group’s frustrations or feelings are experienced by innocents who die, or are threatened or who lose out in some way. It is like, if I have a problem with person A and I am person B, instead of adopting measures to counter person A, I am venting out my frustration and anger on person C, who is innocent. This decision by India at such a crucial time is more than just a refusal to play sport or a refusal to maintain peace between the two nations.

    This decision is “state sponsored terrorism”.

    I am sorry for offending our Indian friends, but I think Pakistanis should also be given an opportunity to vent out their frustration over a decision that is so implausible and ridiculous, to the extent of being stupid.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 20, 2008 - 2:26 PM

    This is for Dravid:

    I am really very happy that YOU scored a century under pressure to perform, when all the chips were down and against you, even the lady luck turned her face away from you, you didn’t give up and that’s why we say fortune favours the brave.

    Bravo Dravid you silenced all your critics and the skeptics especially the selectors from within the BCCI who were targeting you and planning to drop you. (Shame on KrishnamaChari SriKanth for not supporting earlier.)

    You have proved to all of them that, form is temporary and class is permanent. Whenever you will decide to retire, on that day I shall be doing a BIG thread on you.

    In my eyes you are the best Indian batsman ever and a great ambassador of your country. I wish if all the players are like you Dravid – a true gentleman.

  21. #21 by praveen on December 20, 2008 - 2:52 PM


    Most of you here are of opinion that india has bullied pak over mumbai issue by using cricket.

    But this time india has very little than usual. Other than the usual blame game it did nothing actually.Even at that it is categorically ruled out any institutional support from of Pak government or army.

    The mood out here is very bad and will take some time to cool down and until then it is better to have any form contact between two countries unless it is bureaucratic negotiations.This time the attack is on heart of india not in kashmir or on border and it is not directed at government as usual but at civilians.The government says the terrorists came from pakistan but it did not do anything which is visible to common man.So the emotions are high against government and if it acts in contrary to popular opinion it risks next elections which are near.You must understand the seriousness of the situation because people actually did not care much whether England is coming back or not. For a country where cricket is considered to be a “religion”, for it not to matter shows the seriousness of this attack.

    So i think the decision to cancel this series so near to the attack is a good one.Also i dont agree about the example of mush’s cricket diplomacy being the bridge of countries relations. For sport to play an important role there must be some sort of stability which makes is possible for people to enjoy it without any prejudices and complement other party of their skill.
    But without that stability it will become one other front of confrontation and might cause even more problems than before.

    I also think the above explains india’s position vis-a-vis England and Pakistan. India wanted england to play so not to ensure moral victory for terrorists and india cancaled series with pakistan in view of emotions of people which are running high and needs some time to cool off.

    As for the loss to Pak cricket or as nation ,I think it just shows others misery doesn’t only affect them, but also affects neighbors.

    I didnt put my opinion as clearly as i wanted to, but i hope pakistani members understand our POV.

  22. #22 by Abdul on December 20, 2008 - 3:31 PM

    Well, well regarding the test match down under between Aus vs. RSA it seems that cricket 4th innings run chases are very possible following India’s victory in Chennai and the fact that RSA have set themselves a firm platform after solid knocks from Amla and Smith and now are only 187 runs away from glory.

    All of a sudden teams feel convinced and hopeful that they can chase down milestone targets in the 4th innings and make the situation sound like a piece of cake. 20/20 cricket I feel has influenced this tactic as it shows the impossible can be achieved and shows that you’re never out of the game until the fat lady sings.

    Tomorrow we shall wait and see the result but I must say the Perth test match seems much more exciting than the Mohall one in both entertainment and quality aspects.

    By the way did anyone see the Ramadan dismissal in Newzeland vs. West Indies? HA HA LOL! What a fool!


    You mean Ramdin? The way he was clean bowled by Daniel Vittori? Ramdin leaves the delivery assuming it will turn away when in fact he has just left the straight one. Hits the top of middle and off and he was clean bowled.

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 20, 2008 - 4:57 PM

    Fans to build Dhoni temple in Ranchi

    I don’t know where to write my comments on this subject? On cricket page, religion page, politics page or V-talk page? It would be too much if I take this as a joke and talk it out lightly on V-page. But, this is important and it is also very interesting too and I want all of you to pay attention to this comment, especially those who talk about democracy.

    1. The democracy lovers say that we should not mix politics with religion, right?
    2. They also praise India’s democracy and secularism when comparing to Pakistan’s.

    3. Now, cricket is a religion in India, without mentioning names all the Indian bloggers and the general public opinion in India is “cricket is a religion in India.” I do understand the expression that it is not a religion but it is like a religion it means it is loved by the masses to the extent of worshiping.

    4. Tendulkar is a God in India and now Dhoni is a God too. So much so that his fans are going to make a temple and place his statue there and worship him like a God, am I right or wrong?

    So far so good that, a game is loved so much that it is equal to a religion. Even if it is an expression it is understood. Calling Tendulkar a God is acceptable, but really, truly creating a temple for Dhoni and worshiping him? Pardon me for my French I don’t understand this.

    Now, come to Politics.

    1. Mahatma Ghandhi is considered so great that he is called Mahatma or super being and his statues are found everywhere in India and many people worship him like a God. His photographs are found in every office and garlands are hung over the frames. Mais pour quoi?

    2. The argument could be, well … people worship him but he was very secular! Ahemmm. To quote unquote him, he said, “Politics without Dharma (religion) is no politics.” So, how come it is not acceptable when Muslims say our political system is based on our religion.

    3. Indira Gandhi was referred a few times as Goddess, I am not sure if they still worship her?

    In Financial world of India:

    Money or Laxmi is worshiped and Laxmi Puja is conducted before any ceremony. Similarly the Dharti or land is also worshiped. I am not objecting to this and I am not criticizing, I am only mentioning these points before I arrive to conclusion with my POV.

    The Americans are not different from Indians in this respect. Their dollar bills say: “In God we trust” what has God got to do with money in the US democracy? And why do they bring God in politics or democracy? Don’t they take oath by placing their hands on the bible? Is the bible not a religious book? Why don’t they create a “book on democracy” and place their hands over it before taking any oath? Or, why don’t they write “in democracy we trust” on their dollar bills?

    Islam is the most dangerous religion?

    The Hindus can bring religion in democracy its fine, the Christians can talk about ‘crusade’ and place their hands on a bible before taking an oath its fine. In every single sentence they say “JESUS” its fine. You can use the word Jesus like:

    Jesus, how can you do this?
    Jesus, what happened?
    Jesus, I am tired
    Jesus, I am so hungry …….so far its decent look at the few other expressions:

    Jesus, look@the b**ch’s A$$ !!!
    Jesus, I got f*ck*d
    Jesus, my Boss is a MF errrrr Ba$*ard

    and many more…….

    But, as a Muslim if you talk about religion you are a fanatic or an extremist, if you say Allah in a crowded place, everyone will runaway from you to hide somewhere. If you say Allah-O-Akbar (God is great) at the airport you will be immediately arrested by the security guards in the presumption that you are a suicide bomber.

    If you say Ram at a public place in the West the guy would smile at you and sing: “Hare Krishna Hare Ram.”

    In Indian movies:

    The heroine says: “Bhagwan kay liyeh mujhay chor do”
    Shakti Rape Kapoor replies: “Itni acchi cheez Bhagwan kay liyeh chor doon?”

    The list can go on and on…. shouldn’t people be more tolerant towards Muslims and Islam? I leave it up to you guys to comment on what I have said.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 20, 2008 - 8:55 PM


    On your point that Indians demonstrate more unity, there is a reason behind it. And, I will quote some of the points that I had recently discussed with a Hindu person. He openly admitted that, “we (Hindus) have to be more united because we are only in India whereas there are many Muslim countries other than Pakistan like, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia and the whole of Middle Eastern and a few African countries. It is only for the past few decades that Indians are seen in other countries like the UK, USA and Canada but, we don’t have a Hindu country other than India so we have to show our unity when it comes to patriotism. I certainly understand his point of view and I agree with him.

    Also, I have seen that even among the Muslims certain sects like Shiites, Bohris, Memons, Agha Khanis etc., they show more unity than the majority Sunni Muslims.

    I feel the need to quote here that in Ottawa, Canada near the Parliament Hill Building on a very prime location, the Agha Khanis have built a Jamaat-Khana at a cost of $54 million. Whereas, here we are struggling to make a mosque to accommodate 6-8 thousand people for the last 7 years and, we have been able to raise only 4 million dollars and still need a couple of million more to finish the project.

    A lesson we need to learn from here is, Agha Khan does not spend any money in building an army or buying weapons. All the money that he gets from his followers and from his investments is used in the construction of schools, hospitals, universities and even Jamaat Khanas. They are not sacrificing their religious rights in fact they are contributing a healthy amount of their earnings towards the betterment of their community and the society. And, I think they are doing a very wise thing and I don’t care how the Sunni Muslims think about them or the Wahabi sect feels about them. As human beings they are nice, soft spoken, very docile, very well educated people and they don’t hurt the feelings of other people or, other religion and they don’t impose themselves on others to convert, accept or practice their belief or ask others to join their community, at least not the way the Jehovah Witness or the Tableeghis do.

  25. #25 by Ali Ahad on December 20, 2008 - 9:21 PM

    A very nice article and I am really surprised to see that none of the indian bloggers replied to it. It was suppose to happen that India will cancel the tour in January. BCCI dominate because of ICL and IPL. I think PCB needs to come up with similar kinds of league. If people dont visit Pakistan then have the matches in Dubai and I am certain all the ‘GORA’s’ won’t mind visiting there.

    The Director General of PCB has many ties in Dubai where he can rope in many multi millionaires for this venture and he has a better business and marketing brain then Modi. If he can make millions when hitting a six on the last ball I am sure he can generate billions in revenue with this venture.

    To make ‘Mumbai attacks’ as an excuse to cancel the tour is very childish. I would ask the players not to play for ICL or IPL anymore as a boycott. Now for once PCB has to think for Pakistan first and stop pleasing the other instituions.

  26. #26 by khansahab on December 20, 2008 - 11:26 PM

    Yousuf, Asif are welcome to Pak team: Qadir

    Karachi: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief selector Abdul Qadir has said that he will welcome banned players like Mohammad Yousuf and Mohammad Asif for selection in the national squad if they are cleared for the same by the PCB.

    Qadir expressed that he will personally welcome Yousuf and Asif with open arms once they are cleared for selection procedures by the board.

    “It is a fact that the cream of our cricket has defected to the Indian Cricket League (ICL). It includes some of our gems like Yousuf and I will happily welcome them back once the PCB clears them,” he said.

    Mohammad Yousuf defected to the rebel Indian Cricket League after altercations with the team, and especially captain Shoaib Malik. PCB in return banned him from playing cricket for the country.

    Pace bowler Mohammad Asif, is battling against a possible two year ban after testing positive for banned steroid Nandrolone while playing in the inaugural season of the Indian Premier league (IPL)in May this year.

    Qadir admitted that the gap created by the absence of some star performers such as Mohammad Yousuf and Mohammad Asif will be hard to fill.

    “Yousuf’s exit has left a big hole in our middle-order and it’s very important that we find a good replacement,” The News quoted Qadir as saying.

    Despite lacking several star players in the team lineup, Qadir hoped that Pakistan will give a tough time to the Lankans in the upcoming series.

    “There will be no excuses,” he said adding “I mean we have to give our best no matter what the circumstances are.”

  27. #27 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2008 - 7:49 AM

    Thought for the Day !!

    “Too Many Peoples Are Thinking About Security Instead Of Opportunity. They Seem More Afraid Of Life Than Death”

  28. #28 by Abdul on December 21, 2008 - 11:00 AM

    Incredible run chase from South Africa whom have achieved the spectacular by chasing down a mammoth 414 runs to win buy 6 wickets with majority or if not all of the batsmen making significant contributions as the Aussie bowlers toiled at the WACCA. Oh boy isn’t cricket exciting these days as it’s so unpredictable what’s happening.

    Meanwhile in Mohall KP stylish switch shot is paying off. It’s incredible how he can do it and a true pleasure to see him pull it off as England make a fight back on day 3. Come-on guys Ian Bell can’t keep performing like this and he should have been dropped in place of Owais Shah who shows he’s got the credibility’s of a true batsmen.

  29. #29 by khansahab on December 21, 2008 - 3:10 PM

    Sindh is feeling the heat at the moment and today they lost very badly to Punjab.

    Punjab’s two main bowlers, Mohammad Talha and Sarfraz Ahmed are not very renowned but both have done well and people are now supporting Talha’s inclusion in the national team.

    In fact this Sarfraz guy, who is from Gujranwala, has an exceptional domestic record and I am surprised he has never played for Pakistan.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2008 - 3:14 PM

    Pietersen and Collingwood are strange bedfellows. Either they score a hundred or get out very cheaply. But, what was ominous for England was Flintoff clicked for the first time, but what a time to depart? Both Pietersen and Flintoff got out within a space of 10 balls before the end of the days play. If England could play till lunch and minimize the lead then the match is doomed for a draw.

    The early morning dew and fog at Mohali is also going to play its role in reducing the number of overs and after England’s 4 wickets, two more innings are to be played and very little time left. Unless there is a major collapse which is very unlikely. Although, India showed aggression in the first few overs by reducing England 2 for 1 run. But, that was it and then the last two overs of the day were similar to the opening overs.

    England made a big mistake by not including Ovais Shah in the team, he is in good form and he has a proven track record of scoring well in India, but England selectors feel different they cannot drop Ian Bell for his reputation, he is totally out of form and has not scored any runs in any form of the game, but they are still persisting with him. Not only that he is getting out cheaply, he is denting the team morale.

    May be in the second innings Bell and Strauss or Cook may score but Pietersen and Flintoff will not, and one cannot predict about Collingwood. So my two cents are on a draw.

    South Africa has won the test match at Perth, so they have good chances of winning the series. Perth is one place in Australia where the pitch is hard and bouncy and the Australians took advantage during McGrath era and also piled up big scores and historically they have always won the first test at Perth and demoralized the touring teams, but now the roles have reversed. Ntini and Styen bowled better than Lee, although Johnson excelled in the first innings still his efforts ended in a loss.

    New Zealand and West Indies match is very boring and slow and lacking interest.

    Our Indian bloggers are quiet these days, its time to cheer up and move ahead, no need to sulk too much. Whatever is happening at the political front will not change if they sulk or cheer up, so why not cheer up and enjoy life? Mourning period is over you cannot mourn for someone your whole life. Life must go on.

    Hope to hear from Amit and Pawan, I know Varun is on vacation. Take care.

  31. #31 by khansahab on December 21, 2008 - 4:22 PM

    Yuvraj helped me improve: Salman Butt

    Karachi: Crediting Yuvraj Singh for revival of his career, Pakistan opener Salman Butt said that he had watched the left-hander play to fine tune his own game and bounce back to form.

    Butt who has recently struck a golden patch and is in prolific form in the ongoing Pentangular one-day tournament said he had improved his batting by watching Yuvraj.

    “I was having problems with my batting. But I had been watching Yuvraj’s batting and when India toured Pakistan for the Asia Cup this year I watched him play up close,” Butt said.

    “I saw the way he was handling things as he is also a left hander and it helped me a lot,” he added.

    Butt, 24, who has played 19 Tests and 60 one-dayers said he had been looking forward to a good series against India.

    “But they are not coming so it is Sri Lanka now. But definitely India is the team to beat these days.

    “I think India’s success has a lot to do with their strong batting that revolves around Sachin Tendulkar. India today has one of the most experienced and strongest batting line-ups in international cricket,” said Butt, who scored five of his six one-day hundreds against India.

    “Their batting is very solid and Tendulkar inspires the rest of the batsmen. That is the secret to their success. It would have been a very good series against them,” he added.

    Butt is now expecting a close contest against Sri Lanka in the coming Test series and hopes to continue his good form.

    Butt said since Pakistan was not getting enough international exposure it was up to the players to keep themselves mentally and physically ready for competition.

    “The players have to take whatever opportunity comes their way to play cricket and it is good we are busy with our domestic cricket at the moment,” Butt said.

  32. #32 by khansahab on December 21, 2008 - 4:23 PM

    PCB ready to lift ban on ICL players: Sources
    21 Dec 2008, PTI

    KARACHI: Pakistan is ready to accept the Indian Cricket League ‘rebels’ back in domestic cricket but wants to lift the ban on these players in a
    manner which would not spoil relations with BCCI which does not recognise ICL, according to sources.

    Sources in the Pakistan Cricket Board said that PCB is seriously considering lifting the domestic cricket ban on the ICL players many of whom can still play for Pakistan.

    “Chief selector Abdul Qadir and director-general Javed Miandad are in favour of allowing these players back into the domestic cricket fold especially after the refusal of India to tour Pakistan,” one source said.

    “The PCB is aware that the Indian board will not be pleased with such a move so they are looking for a feasible solution,” the source said.

    “Some of the ICL players have also conveyed to the board that they want to come back into domestic cricket as they fear their days with the ICL and IPL are over until relations don’t improve with India,” he added.

    He said the board is likely to encourage any move by the ICL players to go to court to seek an order against the ban imposed on them.

    “Feelers have been sent to Moin Khan and Inzamam-ul-Haq who are heading the group of ICL players that if they go to court to try to get an order against the ban the board will not really challenge it,” the source disclosed.

    He said there was pressure growing on PCB chairman Ejaz Butt, who will take over as Asian Cricket Council President later this month, to start improving relations with Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to form a strong bloc in Asia sans India.

    “The promptness which SLC chief Ranatunga agreed to send his team to Pakistan is a clear message that Lankans also have enough of India’s dominance,” the source said.

  33. #33 by khansahab on December 21, 2008 - 4:30 PM

    There has been considerable opposition to the banning of the ICL players and people want them to play for Pakistan again. But we have to seriously consider which players are good enough to deserve selection?

    Imran Nazir and Rana Naved are both good enough to play, but only in T20 cricket. I don’t see anyone else who can perform at the national level. Shahid Nazir is a good bowler but his inclusion is very unlikely due to the presence of Rao Ifthikar and also because, Pakistan will always prefer a bowler who can bowl with genuine pace.

  34. #34 by Abdul on December 21, 2008 - 4:56 PM

    Mukarak at the lifting of ICL players but Khnashab were did you get this source and information from ?

    Yes this is certainly the moment we’ve been waiting for. In my opinion NAZIR/FARHAT/YOUSUF SHOULD and possibly Rana and S Nazir should be utilized by the board and put into selection for the forthcoming selection agianst srilanka .

    Buli Buli PCB !

  35. #35 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2008 - 5:07 PM

    Khan Sahab …

    What do you think of Abdul Razzak at least for T20, in place of Rana Naved ?

    Rana have played 9 Tests & 62 ODIs, while Razzak 46 Tests and 231 ODIs, plus he is a bit younger then Razzak.

    Yes I agree Rana is a genuine pacer, but his batting is no match to that of Razzak. Rana performed only in the last ICL tournament and he also carries a big attitude, since his hair-transplant 😉

    Anyways, I guess our Captain, Shoaib Malak will make sure that Razzak does not make it in the team, because another all-rounder will make it harder for Malak to squeeze himself in the playing eleven as Razzak is a direct threat to him.

  36. #36 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2008 - 5:09 PM

    Oops …. I mean Razzak is younger then Rana at 29 while Rana is almost touching 31.

  37. #37 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2008 - 6:16 PM

    In India’s case, I think everything happened too fast and too soon i.e., from “nothing to something” and that too in a very big way and that spoiled their cricket Gurus the likes of the BCCI management, the selectors and the IPL administrators. They are like a spoiled child who is pampered so much that he turns out to be a brat.

    The hundreds of millions of dollars flowing from the TV rights, the advertising campaigns, sponsorships etc., spoiled the whole cricket culture, which changed very rapidly and now it is becoming very obvious that they are getting arrogant and demanding.

    Once there was a talk about creating an Asian Block for cricket with India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, especially with India’s financial might. And, now not only Pakistan but Sri Lanka has also realized that India’s dominance in cricket is becoming a PITA and, they want to form a block sans India.

    India’s dependence on Australia, SA and England for their IPL tournament should not be considered as a permanent feature, things can change dramatically and India will be left alone in the arena, just like Pakistan is feeling now owing to the terrorism phobia.

    It could happen owing to terrorism or, someone like Stanford or anyone else could come and setup a parallel or similar to IPL tournament. Because, all these countries want to make money and they have the resources as well as the expertise and all they need is a push start.

    There is no guarantee that there won’t be any further terrorism acts in India. Even their crowd gets pretty rough when, in their opinion the umpire takes a decision against one of their cricket gods which they think is unfair. There are numerous occasions that took place in India where the crowd went rowdy e.g., Eden Gardens Kolkata when Sachin was given out by the umpire and the crowd didn’t like that is ust one example.

    It was in Orrissa India, that Greg Chappell who was India’s coach at that time was punched on his face by a spectator. His effigies were burnt all over India in support of Ganguly and Harbhajan Singh. It was during the IPL tournament that 3 bombs exploded in Jaipur luckily the matches were not being played at that time. Just like the England team landed in Orrisa and the Mumbai Attack took place and 2 weeks earlier the whole of England team was staying at Taj Hotel in Mumbai. Imagine if they were staying at that time when the hotel was attacked.

    Can India prevent any future terrorist incident in India? Will they always be blaming Pakistan for anything that happens in India? Each time they do, they end up putting their foot in their own mouth. Because, after a while the truth unveils and the real culprits are exposed – which are their own home-grown terrorists = and then the government of India and the media try to hide the dirt under the carpet. You cannot get rid of the dirt by hiding it under the carpet you have to get to the grassroots of the problem to erradicate it.

    People in India love stores and the media and some opportunists take advantage of them and create stories for them and then they make a Bollywood movie based on that concept. Forget about the political ones or the terrorist scams but, even in the cricket world they do the same. Does anyone remember how an Indian security officer created a story about a big fight between Shoaib Akhtar and Bob Woolmer? The security officer was in the bus and thats it, he took advantage of that and created a story and sold it to some media guy for Rs.30,000 which he admitted later on was just a story as he needed some money.

    Interviews of Arundhati Roy and Amaresh Misra should be an eye opener for the Indians, its hard for them to accept that these are home-grown problems or deliberately created to carry out the bigger plans. They should remember that if they play with fire they will burn their own house as well. Its time for them to be realistic and make an honest, sincere introspection of their conscience rather than pointing fingers at Pakistan for everything that happens in India.

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2008 - 6:20 PM

    Munir: “Rana performed only in the last ICL tournament and he also carries a big attitude, since his hair-transplant 😉 “

    It is called Nawaz Syndrome.
    And, I am agree with you that Abdul Razzak is definitely a much, much better player than Rana Nayee.

  39. #39 by khansahab on December 21, 2008 - 6:22 PM

    Malik wants to continue playing in IPL

    Karachi (PTI): Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik on Sunday expressed his desire to continue playing in the Indian soil despite strained relations between the two nations after India cancelled their tour to the neighbouring country following Mumbai terror attacks.

    However, Malik, who plays for Delhi Daredevils in the Indian Premier League, said although he and other Pakistani players have contractual agreement with the Indian Premier League, they will abide by government’s advice on the matter.

    “As professional players our wish is that we can continue playing in the IPL. But to be honest they are many things beyond our control,” Malik told reporters here.

    “We as players wouldn’t like to do anything that would put us in breach of our contracts. But obviously if there is a government policy decision then I can’t comment,” added the right-handed batsman, who along with other Pakistani cricketers have signed three-year contract with different franchise teams of the IPL, the second season, of which is scheduled for April next year.

    Malik’s statement came after tension rose between the two cricket playing nations following India’s decision to shun their next month’s tour to Pakistan. Criticising India’s decision, former Pakistani players have called the Pakistan Cricket Board not to allow its players to feature in next edition of the IPL and rebel Indian Cricket League as a retaliatory measure.

    Around a dozen Pakistani cricketers are signed up for different teams in the IPL, while around 18 players play in the ICL.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2008 - 6:26 PM


    Malik has another reason and another game to play avec Siyali Bhagat. He is in love so he is blind. Dil aye whatever pay tou whatever kya cheez hai. Aur Malak bhee kya cheez hai.

  41. #41 by khansahab on December 21, 2008 - 6:33 PM

    Munir sahab

    There was a time when Razzaq was my favourite player but I don’t like him anymore. His bowling has lost swing and pace and his batting is very inconsistent, plus he is a hitter and he can’t play a controlled innings. I know he has a few centuries in Test and ODI cricket and I think one of those was also a match winning century against India, but even players like Jason Gillespie and Jerome Taylor have scored centuries.

    His batting is like Kamran Akmal’s- if he clicks it’s a bonus, otherwise normally you can’t rely on it.

    In ICL Razzaq is in the top 10 batsmen because he played the most matches but his average of 23 is amongst the lowest in the “Top run scorers” list. He was not in the top 10 bowlers of ICL.

    So I think playing on the national level for Pakistan, this guy will be a liability.
    He is one of the worst fielders anyway.
    Rana Naved had a higher average than Razzaq in the ICL, by the way.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2008 - 6:45 PM

    khansahab has a point here. 🙂

  43. #43 by khansahab on December 21, 2008 - 6:50 PM

    It’s expected to be a competitive series between Pakistan and Sri Lanka and it should be too. Pakistan have lately had a very good record against Sri Lanka.

    Pakistanis are confident the presence of Shoaib Akhtar will balance any advantage Sri Lanka might have with Mendis and Murali. Assuming both teams are playing at full strength, let us do a little comparison:

    Pakistan’s pace attack is likely to be Umar Gul, Sohail Tanvir and if available (50% chance), Shoaib Akhtar

    Sri Lanka have Vaas, Malinga and Fernando and they will also probably play a bowling all rounder like Maharoof

    IF Akhtar is playing Pakistan will have the edge, but if he is not I think both bowling attacks are equal. If in place of Akhtar Pakistan play someone like Rao Ifthikar, who is a run-container but not a wicket taker per se, then Sri Lanka definitely will have the edge because Vaas, Malinga and Fernando are all wicket takers.

    Spin- The best spin attack Pakistan can come up with is Afridi, one specialist spinner, and Malik. I don’t think Fawad Alam will be selected for this upcoming series and even if selected I doubt we will see him bowl often. So, SL have the edge definitely even if only one of Murali or Mendis is playing. In Tests we might see Kaneria, but he is lacking form.

    Opening- It doesn’t matter who Pakistan goes with, Jayasuria’s presence means SL definitely have the edge. If Tharanga or Sangakarra open and get going, then Pakistan will find it really tough.

    Middle order- This is where Pakistan will have an advantage. In ODI’s Pakistan will probably have a better middle order if players like Younis, Misbah, Malik and Fawad Alam are playing. In Tests I think it’s equal now with the absence of Yousuf. Jayawerdene and Sangakarra are as good if not better than Younis and Misbah in Tests.

  44. #44 by khansahab on December 21, 2008 - 6:59 PM


    Our sources are secret because we don’t want others to realise how we have been so successful as a blog 🙂 But a little hint, if after the name of an article you see an abbreviation or reference to something like “PTI” or “Dawn”, that might give you a clue.

    See in my comment no 33 where I pasted that article which led you to offer “mukarak” to us (it took me a while to realise you meant “mubarak”), after the date you can see the letters “PTI” which must stand for something?

    See I’ve given you a clue there!

  45. #45 by Amit. P on December 21, 2008 - 10:46 PM


    Interchange India and Pakistan in your comments and u have counter-argument from an Indian.
    That is, Pakistan shud stop propagating the lie of “home-grown” terrorism whenever it happens in India and shud start looking toward itself that what they have achieved doing this all along. And where Pakistan as a country and as a society reached by inciting hatred in their own people and inflicting the same in other nations in the name of religion and injustice. First khalistan then kashmir and now wherever they get the chance in India. Things can easily turn against them as is happening now in the western front in Pakistan. It wont take much time when they find themselves fighting with every single entity they have created.
    So, we have on two diametrically opposite arguments and it wont do anything besides going further apart. It wud be foolish to say that India dont have their fucked-ups .. they are pretty much at large and it is insult on anyone’s intelligence to say that pakistan dont have to do with India’s fucked-ups. Blame games are integral part of own defense mechanism but sooner we put this aside and look toward the real problem better it will be for the whole region.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2008 - 11:33 PM


    It is good to see your response. The points that I have highlighted in my argument is not just mine but, also those of the well reputed Hindu Indian writers, analysts etc. I am emphasizing the word “Hindu” because an Indian Muslim view means nothing A. R. Antulay is a clear example. I am referring to Arundhati Roy and Amaresh Misra who have spoken loudly and clearly and talked about home-grown terrorism.

    The problem is neither India nor Pakistan want to admit and accept that the Mumbai attacks were carried out by their people. I have always spoken against the Mullahs and I have questioned the decision of the Honourable Chief Justice of Pakistan who proudly displays a medal of freedom on his chest released all the Lal Masjid terrorists after Musharraf’s government sentenced them to prison. So, when I am talking about the Hindu Radicals my opinion is still the same as it is for Mullahs.

    And, you have to admit this like swallowing it like a bitter pill that India does have a problem from within, not only from the people who have been victimized but, also from the Hindu Radical groups and they are much more vocal and much more strong than the Mullahs. The word Islamists is a creation of the west and they are NOT the majority as it is being portrayed by the western and Indian media.

    As regards Pakistan’s problems on the western front, in case they get engaged with India on the Eastern borders, you must have already read the news that all those religious parties who are against the government have assured the government that in case of an Indian attack on the eastern border they will put aside all their differences and will join the Pakistan government and the army in defending their country. So, its just an imagination of some people in India that it will affect only Pakistan very badly, no sir, it will hurt India as much as it will hurt Pakistan.

    Sonia Gandhi today in her speech in Punjab near Pakistan border has said something silly only to attract voters….. she is campaigning for the forthcoming elections and using this as a triumph card to say that India will give a befitting reply to Pakistan. Think about that and read all the comments coming from the Indian government, politicians, radical groups, media etc. etc. I prefer an open dialogue from you and others rather than keeping quiet and breeding hatred against each other, remember we are not the same generation of the current politicians we are the future generation and we need to do more than what they did or, where they’ve failed.

  47. #47 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 12:05 AM


    You have provided a good account of the views of the Indian society and I thank you for taking the initiative to come forward and defend India in this matter.

    What I just don’t understand is, that Pakistan and India are not at war. Say if they were at war, you could say emotions are very high and there is animosity and paranoia, hence sport can’t be played.

    Pakistanis are also emotional people and they can also get irrational. Most Pakistanis believe India broke Pakistan into two parts by helping East Pakistan become Bangladesh. Most Pakistanis also believe India has illegally usurped Kashmir and it rightfully belongs to either Pakistanis or Kashmiris. A number of Pakistanis believe India has been behind the instability and destruction in northern Pakistan (where 20-30 people are dying everyday) and also to a lesser extent in Karachi, a city which would have been bigger and more developed than any city in Southern Asia had it not been for ethnic conflicts.

    If a patriotic person would believe in these allegations, then I am sure a reasonable and educated person like you will understand, that this patriotic person has some reason to absolutely hate India. And yes there are many Pakistanis who hate India with all heart and soul.

    But, why has Pakistan never said no to sport? Pakistan is just as keen to play India now, as it was in 1999, and as it has ever been. People often make stories to say that India was reluctant to play Pakistan in the 1990’s because Pakistan used to win mostly in that decade. However now the tables have been turned and India is a top team whereas Pakistan can be very easily defeated by India. But Pakistanis still want to play cricket with India.

    I understand that the Indian government is concerned about elections, but if I can’t blame the government I will have to blame the general Indian population!

    I don’t understand what their problem is with Pakistan? It has been proven that Pakistani government is not involved. America, Israel, everyone accepts this. It has also been proven very recently that ISI was not involved. America now accepts this notion too. So it brings us to the crucial argument that if Pakistani government, Pakistani intelligence and general Pakistani public is not involved or did not support or encourage these attacks, why refuse to play?

    Who are they hurting and damaging by refusing to play? Innocent people who had nothing to do with these attacks! This kind of reaction by the Indian public clearly suggests that they feel paranoia and grave suspicion about Pakistan. The reason why we think that feeling is ridiculous is because we know for a fact that Pakistanis don’t feel the same for Indians. National pride and honour is also very important to Pakistanis and trust me, if they felt the same hatred for India they would have refused to welcome India to play cricket on their soil.

    All the hard work that was done by the Musharraf government to build bridges has been undone by one event that neither the government was involved in, nor the general public supported.

    What the Indian government is telling Pakistan and what America is repeating in exact words, is that it doesn’t matter who was involved as long as the wrongdoers are arrested/eliminated. If this was easier said than done, it would have been done by now. What is being asked of Pakistan is to arrest and capture hundreds of random people who may or may not have been responsible. An Indian journalist visited the headquarters of LeT (information about this was posted on LS a few days ago) and he was informed that LeT was not responsible for these attacks. The journalist was also informed that LeT does not provide any arms or militancy training to its students; it is merely a centre for religious education. I am not saying that LeT was necessarily telling the truth, but if there was some indication of the headquarters being used for any purpose other than education, I am certain the journalist would have exposed it. If the Pakistan government had any idea who these guys are and what they are upto, don’t you think they would have done something about it by now? If they can spare 100,000 troops to fight the Taliban in northern Pakistan (which is not even Pakistan’s problem, but America’s), I am sure they could have spared a few thousand to eliminate these guys, whoever and wherever they are. They would certainly prefer doing that rather than let these guys destabilise Pakistan’s relations with the rest of the world.

    When these attacks happened, everyone in Pakistan was in a state of shock and sympathy for the loss of innocent life. This was a contrast to what happened after 9/11 and 7/7, when many people came out celebrating gleefully. People in Pakistan did come out burning effigies of Manmohan Singh and burning Indian flags, but this was much later when Pakistani government was being accused of sponsoring these attacks and when it was all but certain India was not touring Pakistan.

    We don’t know who is right and wrong and everything we say is always very subjective, based on personal biases and experiences. But the function of hate is to breed hate, and I am sorry to say that by punishing a sport and its fans and stakeholders, India has triggered hatred in the region. I have always tried to be tolerant, balanced and as fair as possible towards India, but I can’t really see any sense or reasonable justification on part of the Indians this time round. Maybe if we go 10 years in the past when the relations between Pakistan and India were especially dire, this kind of reaction could have been vaguely justified, but after what has happened in the past 9 or 10 years, there is absolutely no justification.

    Oh and in the end, my request to the Indian bloggers is, that please don’t assume this is about the Rs 24 million or so the PCB has lost as a result of India’s cancellation. Money is not important to us; this is a matter of principle. When all these emotions and all this irrationality is curbed and some good sense is instilled in the proceedings, India will regret this decision.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2008 - 12:14 AM


    very well said, I hope not only Praveen but, others who have similar feelings against Pakistan will understand our point of view. Once again you have expressed very well.

  49. #49 by Amit. P on December 22, 2008 - 12:37 AM


    You are taking examples of two writers, what ab’t others ? Are they all fall into “Hindutwa” brand. Suddenly all leftist turn into right wing fascist. Recently Salman Rushdie too has aired his view that Pakistan shud stop sponsoring terrorism. Whom shud we believe …. or put it in better words … what shud be believe … facts or fiction ?
    You are talking ab’t Indian gov stance (atleast they maintained their stand and provided proofs for that)… now look at how many times pak gov have altered their views. How can Indian gov be assured that Pak is going to take action against those detained (or at large) people? Even till now, they haven’t cleared stance on Kasab, whom all world including many pakistanis knows from where he belongs.
    Do you have any solution from Indian perspective .. that how shud they go on ab’t current situation ?

    And finally at eastern front, Indians got used to of fighting “Mujaheddin” as first line of Pakistani defense. Btw, i dont think they will going to leave their positions on western front for NATO forces.

  50. #50 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 12:40 AM

    Malik should continue as captain: Inti

    Monday, December 22, 2008
    From Abdul Mohi Shah

    ISLAMABAD: As the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is all set to extend Shoaib Malik’s tenure as the national team skipper, coach Intikhab Alam believed the all-rounder had gained maturity and is the best suited for the job.

    The PCB Governing Board meets in the first half of January to decide on extending Shoaib’s tenure as a captain that expires on December 31, 2008. When The News approached chairman PCB Ijaz Butt on Malik’s captaincy issue, he said the matter would be put before the Governing Board’s meeting ahead of the start of home series against Sri Lanka. “It is the Governing Board that would decide on giving extension to Malik,” he said.

    However, independent sources confirmed that Malik would continue to captain the national team and it is just a matter of days before he would get a green signal from the Board. “Since Malik’s performance is more then satisfactory, he would continue to lead the national outfit for series to come.”

    A source in the board confirmed that his tenure as a captain of the national team could be extended for another year. “However, there are two opinions. He may get extension till Twenty20 World Cup to be held in June or could stay as long as till the end of 2009.”

    While putting his weight behind Malik captaincy, Intikhab said that he had gained maturity over the years and is best suited to the job. “He should continue as the captain of the team and has improved tremendously as a captain over the years. With the experience he has gained over the years, he is now a much improved captain.”

    Intikhab predicted with bit of more experience he could prove one of the best captains, the country has ever produced. “He is positive and he is focussed and what he needed earlier was confidence and believe in himself. He has shown that character during a 3-0 whitewash of West Indies in Abu Dhabi and now looks set to response even better in team’s engagements to come.”

  51. #51 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 12:41 AM

    Akhtar, Kaneria being watched by selecters

    The selectors are expected to have a week-long conditioning camp for the players in preparation for the Sri Lanka series.

    “I think the selectors want to watch Shoaib in a first-class game where he can bowl long spells to see if he is ready to return to Test cricket,” Jaffer said.

    Sources say the selectors are also considering a policy of not playing Shoaib in every match and using him only for the important games so that he can be nursed through his remaining career.

    The fast bowler has always been plagued by fitness problems and only returned to the team in September after a nine-month gap.

    “Shoaib needs to be watched carefully. As we don’t want him breaking down during the series against Sri Lanka. He will be asked to play in one or two matches of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy so that his fitness can be tested out completely,” another selector said.

    He said Kaneria also would be put under the scanner as he had also come back from an injury and needed time to recover completely.

    “His bowling action has problems which he needs to sort out before the Sri Lanka series. Both Shoaib and Kaneria are our two most experienced bowlers and we need them 100 per cent fit for the Sri Lanka series,” the selector said.

  52. #52 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 12:45 AM

    This is a disastrous decision, to extend Malik’s tenure if the PCB decide to go ahead with it.

    Inzamam was not intelligent enough to be a decent captain, his batting ability notwithstanding. However, Malik made Inzamam look like a genius.

    Yousuf is out, Afridi’s career is on the line and Shoaib Akhtar is barely ever in the team. That just leaves the team with Younis, Misbah and Malik. Younis is not passionately interested in the job, so I guess the writing is on the wall.

    In the interests of Pakistan cricket I wish they make Misbah the captain if the decision is between Misbah and Malik. If Younis sincerely commits himself to the role then of course he should get it.

  53. #53 by Kunal Sabherwal on December 22, 2008 - 1:02 AM

    Javed khan + Khansahab

    Both of you have given some valid points which i accept. maybe i see your situations and gather you may have a suspicion about the way our authorities have handled this gruesome chain of events. for the sake of mutual relations if nothing else, i wish more and more Indians read your views because they are educated even if we dont agree.
    look you have to understand Indians also want peace with pakistan. but now there is a feeling of helplessness in India. What do we do? What is that Indians CAN do? Nothing else except tell Pakistan to clear this filth that is home grown. surely if you acknowledge pakistan is also victim to Lashkar and other terrorist outfits, Pakistan can do something about it? This time we want to see results.
    this decision not to tour pakistan is because of helplessness and frustration.

  54. #54 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 1:38 AM


    Thanks for appreciating our views. You seem like a very broad minded and warm person!

    This article is for you:

    A citizen of the cricketing world, no other

    Pradeep Magazine

    I am faced with a dilemma, caught in a struggle, on the one side of which lies my “responsibility” to the Nation and the other to cricket and its followers.

    One as an Indian national whose country is in a war-like conflict with Pakistan and the other as a believer in sport and its binding powers even when nation states are waging war.

    As a citizen of the world, I think India should go to Pakistan to play cricket just as England came here to do the same. It was, as is being said, to prove a point and pass on a message that the best way to defeat the designs of terrorists is to not play into their hands by being terrorised.

    As an Indian citizen whose identity is being hijacked by those in power, just as it must be in Pakistan, I may have no choice but to side with those who believe that to punish the wrongdoings of a state you have to punish its people as well.

    And when Pakistan is involved in killing people in my country, how can I want us to play cricket with them? No arguments here.

    But as a cricketing citizen, I have thrice travelled to Pakistan and have realised that people there are no different from Indian nationals like me. They face the same problems as I do here. The people in power use the same rhetoric to create enemies and project themselves as saviours. The common man, fed up with being used by politicians for their personal gain, abuses the ruling class there as much as we do here. We have a common thread and that is our lack of faith in those who control the levers of power in both countries.

    When I was last there in 2005, the Indian and Pakistani governments were friends and the army dictator, General Pervez Musharraf, was criticised more in Pakistan than in India. The irony now is that Pakistan has shoed away dictatorship and embraced democracy, but we are in a war zone again.

    Peel away the artificially created layers due to geopolitics interests and the fears of the “aam aadmi” are the same across the globe.

    I am beholden to my identity as a citizen of the cricketing world, for it gave me an opportunity to travel to “enemy” countries and realise that people who rule have a vested interest in stoking the flames of hatred. Therefore it is sad that the cricket tour is off.

    I wish people were given the option of adopting a nationality of their choice at their free will. I would want to be a citizen of the cricketing world and not of a nation state.

    One binds, the other divides.

  55. #55 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 1:42 AM

    How strange Musharraf got to be hated by his own people, yet Indians saw him as a competent and sensible leader.

    How strange too that Shahid Afridi remarked a few months ago that he is respected and loved in India more than in Pakistan!

    This is a very well written article by Pradeep. But again I don’t understand what he means by “Pakistan was involved in killing the people of my country”, because neither the Pakistan government, nor the Pakistan intelligence or public was involved. Suppose these terrorists came from Pakistan, then they probably belong to the 0.1% of insane people in Pakistan who should be in mental hospitals. But again, why blame Pakistan for having sick and mentally retarded people- every country and every society has them?

  56. #56 by Wasim on December 22, 2008 - 4:05 AM


    I think hate is a strong word to be used for an ex-president, criticism is more appropriate.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2008 - 4:59 AM

    So, I was right about delayed start of game today. Because, even yesterday morning there was so much fog and there were all the chances of same weather conditions for today. On cricinfo the commentators are blaming the England team by saying they are deliberately not willing to bat and wants to draw the match. Fog or no fog, the chances of draw were certain from the first day when India scored only 179 runs. I don’t like the over enthusiasm displayed by the cricinfo commentators, and it is not just today but, they always write in that fashion. Anyways I am also watching it live on TV, the match is delayed till the fog is clear. I would like to call it a day, rather night. Take care ALL.

  58. #58 by Mohammed Munir on December 22, 2008 - 5:41 AM

    Javed Khan @ Comment No. 39 …

    LMAO @ ‘Nawaz Syndrome’ and ‘Rana Nayee’.

    So Rana is a Nayee then ? No doubt he got such a good hair-transplant 😉

    Abdul @ Comment No. 35 …

    You said, “Buli Buli PCB!”.

    I guess you meant to say “Baley Baley PCB” or is it that you wanted to say “Bully Bully PCB” 😉

    Khan Sahab …

    I agree with your logic on Abdul Razzaq, yes it is unfortunate that he is not more of a consistent batsman that he used to be 😦

    I remember when Razzaq and Azhar Mahmood were playing in full swing, we used to have 4/ 5 genuine all-rounders in out team, and Mahmood used to bat at no. 8/ 9, so you can imagine the strength of our batting line in those days.

    Alas, it all seems a distant memory now 😦

    About Razzaq’s ICL performances, I guess he was man-of-the-tournament last year when his team won one of the tournaments and he was also a possible contender for same award this year, but in the end Rana ‘Nayee’ got away with that 😉

  59. #59 by Abdul on December 22, 2008 - 9:46 AM

    Here is my poem about my favourite batsmen Imran Nazir…………….

    Mayhem, mayhem at the crease as Mr Dominant swings his bat,

    All spectators put on their hats,

    And the bowler cries to his captain “Can u take me of”.

    And then fielders just admire the shot sail over the fence in amusement.

    And then theirs us at home saying “wah bhi wah” with our popcorn and coke ,

    And then we say is this Viv Richards or is this a boy from Sialkot,

    And once we realise what a disgrace he hasn’t been used more,

    As he’s certainly a player whom one can adore,

    And then u point the finger at the former selectors for being “brainless” in going as far as banning him,

    But then you applaud Qadir and the crew for bringing him back and recognising his formidable form,

    Dominant ,stylish, unique, flamboyant and ruthless Imran Nazir is a player from a different planet.

  60. #60 by Abdul on December 22, 2008 - 9:55 AM

    Winter Poem:

    Oh winter, oh winter, how cold can u get?

    Every day we have to wrap up warm and rest,

    Till very one day when the festive season arrives ,

    we all can enjoy the surroundings for the best,

    Time to cool, relax and socialise,

    Time to fool young children with Santa Claws,

    As the luminous light shines alight,

    The whole city comes alive at night,

    As u walk down the street shivering in the cold,

    You see the bright moonlight coming from the lord,

    And all of a sudden it begins to taste much minter than bitter,

    As we all begin to celebrate,

    Seasonal greetings all round.

  61. #61 by Abdul on December 22, 2008 - 9:55 AM

    Khanshab,thanks for the link.

    Anyone else here like poetry ?

  62. #62 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 10:38 AM

    Wasim sahab

    I see what you mean. I think the “aam aadmi” went on to hate Musharraf, “hate” is like an unreasonable and inexcusable emotion, but the more educated and learned people are, the less they hate.

    The sort of things he was called though- American agent, Indian agent, MQM agent, and the reaction he got from the masses by dismissing the CJ, Lal Masjid operation etc, I think all these reasons made the “aam aadmi” hate him? Don’t you?

  63. #63 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 1:18 PM

    We’ll adopt strategy to master Mendis: Shoaib Malik

    KARACHI: Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik said Sunday his team were disappointed about India’s cancellation of a much-anticipated tour here but were keen to face “tough” replacements Sri Lanka.

    India last week pulled out of their January tour of Pakistan over the Mumbai attacks, forcing the hosts to arrange a stop-gap series with Sri Lanka.

    “We are disappointed that India decided not to tour us,” Malik told reporters. “India has been doing well so it would have been a good series, but Sri Lanka is also a good team and we are ready for them.”

    “When India and Pakistan play each other, there is huge public interest in both countries, but that will now not come about,” he added.

    Sri Lanka have agreed to a tour that will include three Tests, three one-dayers and a Twenty20 match. The tour is expected to begin after Sri Lanka complete a tour of Bangladesh on January 16.

    Shoaib Malik, who was appointed captain last year, said his team would have to play its best cricket to defeat Sri Lanka.

    “We have not been playing much international cricket so we have to do a lot of hard work, while Sri Lanka have been doing well at the international level and will be tough opponents,” he said.

    Malik said he hoped more international teams would follow in Sri Lanka’s footsteps.

    “Their visit will give us some good cricket and hopefully more teams will come to Pakistan in the future,” he said.

    Malik singled out sensational Sri Lankan spinner Ajantah Mendis as his team’s main challenge.

    “Sri Lanka have two quality spinners in Muttiah Muralitharan and Mendis, but we have played Murali a number of times and now need to master Mendis, who has been doing very well,” the captain said.

  64. #64 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 2:23 PM

    Cry of the hawks – The Mumbai attacks

    By Ahmad Faruqui

    Monday, 22 Dec, 2008

    THE carnage in Mumbai has yielded one benefit. It has unmasked the warmongers on both sides. The picture that has emerged is not pretty. Editorial pages overflow with poisoned words.

    And the air waves are thick with bigotry. Unlike Abraham Lincoln at the close of the American Civil War, there is no one in either India or Pakistan who has found a transcendent meaning in the carnage.

    On the Indian side, one hears talk of revenge and instant justice. Muslims, not just Pakistanis, are the eternal villains in this plot, pumped up with the passions that flow from consuming the sacred cow. The hawks have little interest in negotiating a solution to Kashmir. In their eyes, that means handing victory over to the enemy. They contend that it is vital for the Indian Union to have a Muslim-majority state.

    On the Pakistani side, a hawk argues that the Indians cannot be trusted to abide by any peace agreement. Another claims that the fourth war between India and Pakistan has already begun, citing the IAF’s violation of Pakistani air space. He goes on to brag that Pakistan will prevail militarily over India in any conflict even though it has lost in all past encounters.

    Unnamed military officials declare that if India attacks, the Pakistan Army would transfer troops from the tribal areas to the eastern front and the ‘patriotic Taliban’ would be enlisted to assist in the final encounter with India. A retired general officer is even less shy about invoking Armageddon. He says Pakistan would unleash a nuclear barrage on India in the event of an attack.

    Such bluster by senior military officials would never be aired anywhere else. They simply confirm that Pakistan’s national security establishment does not have the maturity to be trusted with nuclear weapons. The hawks refuse to accept responsibility for harbouring terrorists on Pakistani soil and continue to blame the Mumbai attacks on agents of the CIA and the Mossad. One conspiracy theorist even accuses the Indian intelligence agency of self-engineering the attack.

    In their eyes India has not reconciled itself to the partition of 1947. Ergo, it is an existential threat. Having created Bangladesh out of East Pakistan in 1971, it is now out to create a West Bangladesh and re-establish Akhand Bharat.

    Sadly, schadenfreude about India abounds in Pakistan, even among the moderates. For many, the Mumbai tragedy simply highlights serious fissures in India’s polity. They took comfort in seeing 10 militants holding up countless hotel guests and hundreds of commandos at bay for 60 hours. To them, this was proof that Indians did not know how to fight, that India was nowhere close to being the rising power that the world media was saying it had become.

    The hawks on neither side see the deep-rooted problems in their own strategic culture. Introspection is not their forte. Nuance and texture are nowhere to be found in their diction. The hawks in India don’t realise that the secularity of India, a country with a billion citizens, cannot rest on the inclusion in its body politic of a state of 10 million. It is time that the authorities in New Delhi did something to improve the lot of the 150-million-plus Muslims that reside in India. Wrongdoers like Chief Minister Narendra Modi who presided over a pogrom in Gujarat should be brought to justice, not left free to roam the country, fanning the fires of communal hatred.And, most fundamentally, India has to accept its responsibility for creating the conditions that led Jinnah, the fierce champion of Hindu-Muslim unity, to seek a separate nation for the Muslims. The German word for coming to terms with the past, Vergangenheitsbewaltigung, is worth pondering.

    As for the hawks in Pakistan, they have to realise that when their leaders have made a hash of managing their four provinces, why would they fare any better in a fifth? It is time to stop indulging in past glories. It does little to name ballistic missiles after Muslim rulers from Afghanistan who conquered India during the Middle Ages. Nor does it do much to name naval ships after the great Mughals.

    In the 21st century, one has to look beyond territory and ideology and focus on human and social development. Against this backdrop, militants who kill innocents emerge as enemies of the human race, the ‘hostis humani generis’ of Cicero.

    Despite the crying of the hawks, armed attacks in the Valley of Kashmir are at an all-time low since the insurgency of 1989. As Yaroslov Trofimov noted recently in the Wall Street Journal, India’s biggest foe in Kashmir is no longer a Pakistani-sponsored militancy. The new threat comes from a civil disobedience movement that is being carried out in the best Gandhian tradition. It is being led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq who says, ‘India is not scared of the guns here in Kashmir … [but it is scared of] … people coming out in the streets, people seeing the power of non-violent struggle.’

    Mufti Muhammad Sayeed, India’s home minister at the peak of the insurgency and the state’s chief minister during 2002-05, agrees. Sayeed notes that there is a big difference between killing a militant versus killing a demonstrator. The general public, which regards the former as justified, condemns the latter. The zeitgeist of the resistance in Kashmir is hewing toward protests, not bombs. Policymakers in New Delhi and Islamabad need to capitalise on this shift in tactics to solve the Kashmir problem.

    This shift in tactics in Kashmir is a pointed rebuke to the terror-mongers in Pakistan. It is time for them to stop brainwashing the youth of the land and sending them abroad on missions of hatred. Acts of terror present the biggest threat to the arc of progress in Pakistan. History has shown over and over again that confrontation with India is pointless. It is time to extend the hand of friendship towards those who reside east of the border. Indians are more like Pakistanis than any other nation.

    It is time to unite to fight the common enemy, which is terrorists in the near term, and poverty, hunger, illiteracy and disease in the long term. It is time to stop being prisoners of the past. It is time to focus on the future.

  65. #65 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 2:29 PM

    What a superb and unbiased article by Mr Faruqi. Ahmed Faruqi, I am your fan.

  66. #66 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 4:11 PM

    Time for a paradigm shift

    By Dr Rubina Saigol

    Monday, 22 Dec, 2008

    A CRISIS is almost always at the same time an opportunity. Pakistan is currently undergoing what many describe as an existential crisis rooted in national policies that go back decades.

    The world sees the country as one that harbours terrorists. Most Pakistanis are indignant over the incessant drone strikes which kill innocent people.

    The government, apart from being cash-strapped and mired in political controversies, seems to be between a rock and a hard place. If it sides with the world demand to cleanse our territory of extremists, the local population sees it as an incursion into our imagined sovereignty and security agencies frown upon such suggestions. If the government sides with the people and our security apparatus the rest of the world threatens to take action on its own. How do we get out of this morass, the result of decades of a policy based on specific rather than general interests?

    There is no easy recipe as we struggle nationally to find a way through the darkness. But desperate situations require desperate measures, out-of-box solutions and an imagination free from years of bigotry. We may need a complete paradigmatic shift in our thinking and national priorities. The current crisis may be an opportunity in disguise for us to re-imagine our state, our nation and our national aspirations.

    We may need to start rethinking some of the following shifts in our ideological paradigm: first, the shift from a national security state to an economic development focus; second, the shift from an exclusivist nationalism to an open one that accommodates diversity and difference; and third the shift from an over-centralised state to a viable federal structure involving greater provincial autonomy. This may seem like a tall order but there is no harm in at least beginning a debate on setting new priorities.

    Pakistan may need to shift its policies from an overwhelming focus on security to an emphasis on economic development which should include social development and distributive justice. The inordinate emphasis on creating and imagining enemies on our borders, accompanied by excessive defence spending on borrowed money has led to the twin problems of a debt crisis and low development spending.

    The greatest part of our national budget is consumed by these non-productive sectors leaving little for genuine economic development. As a result we failed to develop a strong productive base and focused on the services sector and consumption to develop our economy. Consumption without adequate production leads to trade deficits, high import bills and low national reserves. Low national reserves in turn produce their own problems in the form of the depreciation of national currency which in turn further raises import bills.

    The vicious cycle never ends as we continue to live way beyond our means and end up in heavy debt, no savings and multiple economic crises. Economic crises in turn feed lawlessness, crime, terrorism, unemployment, general dismay and a diminishing faith in governance systems. People take refuge in arms, extremism, death, martyrdom and pleasure in the next world while renouncing the current one. We may need to reverse the policy of ensuring our imaginary security by creating non-state outfits to fight our low-intensity battles because such a policy has now blown up in our face for the chickens have come home to roost!

    We need to realise that the transformed concept of security refers to people’s security rather than a state-centric view of ‘national security’. People’s security lies in economic wellbeing which can be ensured through fair trade policies and an emphasis on our agricultural and industrial sectors. When people begin to cherish economic and social securities there is less preoccupation with death, the hereafter, martyrdom and bloodshed.

    Our nationalism seems also to have undergone a transformation. Prior to the 1965 war with India, Pakistan’s early nationalism was not so inward-looking, exclusivist and hate-oriented.

    The Sharif Report on Education in 1959 envisioned an open and outward oriented nationalism when it said: ‘Narrow nationalism in the modern world is not enough; and if we gave the child only this, we would be doing him a disservice. Nations are a part of one another, and none stands alone. Pakistan is in a particular position of having cultural, historical and spiritual ties with the Middle East, Europe and North America. This rich heritage is itself a national asset and provides an ideal starting point for teaching international understanding and a realisation of our membership in a comity of nations.’

    In 1961 Ayub Khan, despite being a military dictator, was able to perceive the dangers of irrationality that a thoughtless nationalism could engender when he said that ‘when nationalism, in its extreme form, takes charge, human reasoning gets second place’. However, after 1965 and especially after 1971, when Pakistan found itself torn asunder and shared religious belief was unable to defend its territorial integrity, a chauvinistic, exclusivist and jingoistic nationalism intensified. A rabidly anti-India and hate-filled nationalism subsequently became entrenched.

    Pakistan may need to redefine, reformulate and re-imagine its nationhood by premising it on becoming economically powerful. Military power fetches temporary victories. It does not provide lasting solutions and rather exacerbates problems. Economic power, on the other hand, can be resilient, beneficial for the population and fetch more lasting rewards, China being a case in point. We need to refocus our attention on becoming a nation of producers, thinkers, intellectuals, artists, growers, scientists, engineers, builders, traders and industrialists instead of a nation of holy and unholy warriors, fighters, martyrs, killers, suicide bombers.

    In the past our leaders tried to use insidious and jingoistic nationalism to unite diverse ethnic identities into the single identity of Pakistani. Our rulers tried to erase regionalism and parochialism as expressions of archaic formations. The attempted erasures incited the most ferocious backlash. Regional and ethnic nationalisms that arose to compete with the state’s version of nationalism assumed equally exclusive and pernicious forms and expressions. The state’s violence was matched with equal vehemence.

    We may be able to emerge from this conundrum only by basing our nationalism on equal and fair development of all provinces, with each receiving a just share of resources. Maximum provincial autonomy, combined with the notion of just economic and social development, diminished centralisation allowing provinces to manage their own resources and receive fair royalties for water, gas, coal, etc. may serve to alleviate some of the genuine grievances of the smaller provinces.

    We cannot afford to remain in denial for long as our very existence is being challenged. One way out of the quagmire may be a shift in the national paradigm from a security state to an economic development state, from an exclusivist nationalism to one based on economic justice, and the renunciation of centralisation to a recognition of provincial rights granted in our constitution.

  67. #67 by Awas on December 22, 2008 - 4:47 PM

    Upon reading what Dr Rubina Saigol said and what khansahab had highlighted, its worth noting:

    “Most Pakistanis are indignant over the incessant drone strikes which kill innocent people” [I have said that before on Mumbai thread]

    “Maximum provincial autonomy…” [Didn’t I just say those exact words in my last comment on Politics?]

    Good to know there are bright columnists with such views. Or perhaps LS is widely read!!!

  68. #68 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 7:36 PM

    Pak selector wants different teams for Tests, ODIs

    Monday, December 22, 2008 9:43:22 PM

    Karachi: Pakistan’s new chief selector Abdul Qadir on Monday proposed two teams for Test and One-dayers with two separate captains.

    “It is not a bad idea and worth definitely giving a try in our cricket as well,” said Qadir, whose first assignment will be to choose the team for the home series against Sri Lanka next month.

    Qadir said he would discuss the matter with the senior officials of the board in Lahore when the selection panel meet to pick the team.

    The former Test leg-spinner said he would also like to see separate captains for the two formats of the game, an experiment that had been done with considerable success in Australia, England and Sri Lanka.

    “We have enough talent in our country and by having separate teams we can start planning ahead and building a combination for the Champions Trophy and 2011 World Cup,” he said.

    Qadir said the two formats of the game required players of different temperament and not all players could adjust comfortably and perform at the same time in Test and ODIs.

    “Players need to use different approaches in Tests and ODIs. Why not? It can be done and as far as appointing captains is concerned. This is something for the board to handle,” he said.

    There is a growing lobby in PCB that wants the board to have Shoaib Malik as captain for one-dayers and Twenty20 cricket and senior batsman Younus Khan as Test captain.

    Malik is presently captain in both forms of the game till December 31 and his continuance as skipper would be reviewed and discussed afresh by the governing council of the board next week.

  69. #69 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 7:42 PM

    The reason why PCB to keen to keep different captains for ODI’s and Tests is because they feel Malik may be removed from the Test side and Younis in the future may be removed from the ODI side.

    Another reason could be that they feel Malik should not be disgraced by removing him from the captain’s post after he has held it for a year and a half. That is because they could have kept Younis as ODI captain too, since Younis has been in particularly good form in ODI’s.

  70. #70 by Wasim on December 22, 2008 - 7:47 PM


    Completely agree with you on provincial autonomy.

  71. #71 by Awas on December 22, 2008 - 8:12 PM

    If that is the case, then:

    Younus for test
    Afridi for ODI’s

    I have doubts whether such experiment is a good one for Pakistan. So, I don’t agree with Qadir. We are not like Australia, England or even Sri Lanka. This is Pakistan you fool…a completely different category of fish!!!

  72. #72 by Wasim on December 22, 2008 - 9:58 PM

    There’s very little probability that the captain will be changed, he is in his best form, but I think if they have to change then Younis is a good choice for test matches.

  73. #73 by khansahab on December 22, 2008 - 10:33 PM

    I don’t know why this perception is so deep rooted that your captain has to be a consistent performer.

    A player can be very talented like Inzamam, but can be completely ineffective at captaincy. Same goes for Malik, he is a fast learner when it comes to bowling, batting and fielding but he is not captaincy material. He is a talented player and there is a space for him in the ODI and T20 batting line ups.

    The reason why they are not proposing Afridi’s name for captaincy is because his batting has not clicked for a long time. Yet, his bowling is better than ever and he has matured tremendously as a person and as a cricketer. Apart from domestic cricket held over the past few months where Sindh has not performed brilliantly, Afridi’s record captaining Sindh is definitely remarkable. Sindh has produced mature and skilled batsmen, but it has never produced a fast bowler of any international calibre.
    So Sindh has always had problems with its bowling but somehow Afridi’s presence brought that dynamism and force to Sindh’s gameplay.

    Pakistan cricket’s situation cannot be any worse than the current scenario. Hence PCB should take a gamble and make Afridi captain for all forms of cricket. Surely they can afford to give Afridi 6 months to prove himself if they could give Malik 18 months?

  74. #74 by Wasim on December 23, 2008 - 12:48 AM

    He has been the most successful captain at the domestic level, and whatever limited opportunities Pak team got he did fine.
    I don’t care if he is changed but it’s better if a captain performs and leads from the front.

  75. #75 by Pawan on December 23, 2008 - 12:54 AM

    All said and done, it is only human to defend oneself and why not? Putting unessecary pressure on Pakistan is not going to help the situation in anyway. The Congress Govt is putting up a nice drama of “being really angry” with Pakistan and giving warnings after warnings to get their act together. It is cheap vote bank politics. War? Why would you wanna kill more people? Just for gaddi, people will sell their mothers!

    To my Indian friends — Stop blaming your neighbor and help them instead for wiping out this unruly terrorism virus out of the system. I don’t care if you have “n” number of incidences where you will “prove” that so and so person was being supported or is being hidden in Pakistan. All we have to do now is get this thing clear- in black and white. Get a UN body or some netural “umpire” to rule out a decesion on this conflict. For God’s sake do not dwell into past. Whatever has happened, has happened, no one can do about it. I don’t care who is right or wrong in past. Talk abotu present and “help” Pakistan eradicate the terrorism existing in their own country. What kind of help are we providing by giving statements as “war is on” and giving warnings every now and then. What should the Pakistan Govt do? Should they concentrate on your war warnings or on catching the terrorists? Yes, it is exteremly sad that so many people died in the Mumbai blasts, but if we really value their life, then we will promise ourselves that henceforth we will never let this happen, no matter what and to do that we have to sit down with our neighbors, carry out talks in the presence of a UN body, get everything out in black and white, crystal clear and eradicate terrorism. An average Pakistani is just like an average Indian. No one will tolerate insults hurled at their country. And I heard on some debate why the Pakistanis were not so concerned at Mumbai blasts. This is wrong, why won’t they be? Any sane average person does not like killings of innocent people. It’s just that the killings happened so far away from them that they would not have felt the need to come out on streets and protest against it. Do you think that any sane Pakistani will ever feel good about such an attack? No way. Same thing could be said about the blasts in the hotel in Pakistan. Why were people from Mumbai not our on streets for those blasts protesting against them? Were they “not really” against terrorism? Come on guys. Stop this cat-dog fight and grow up. The bottom line is, no one is ever happy with any killing, unless he/she is under the influence of drugs or is brainwashed or is plane insane.

    To my Pakistani friends — You will have to show more maturity than ever. I know it feels like the whole world is against you and that you are blamed for everything you do, even though you are trying your best. But the problem is that an average Indian or an average world citizen is almost never shown the truth. Pakistan is propogated as a terrorist state not only in India, but all over and that is sad. I know there are thousands and thousands, rather millions of Pakistanis who would never want a war or even a war-like situation and that is completely sane. But the way it is portrayed by the politicians all over that “all” Pakistanis are slowly getting converted to terrorist Muslims. An average Pakistani has to do something about it (that is, if he gets time from earning his own bread, worrying about his family, his parents, his job, and all thos daily battles that any average person wages, just to get by or survive). I dunno what can be done about the situation in your country, I dunno if democracy is better than Musharraf’s rule, but the least an average Pakistani can do, I think is show more maturity. Believe me, there are millions in India, average people, who are angry, for sure, but they would never want a war with Pakistan. Never. I really feel for the condition that an average Pakistani is in. The reason for poor people to venture into terrorism is nothing but money. And Pakistan has been really ripped off badly economically, so I can comprehend people getting misled. Believe me, I have all the regards for the average Pakistani, who wages his own battles to survive and hears all this crap the world has to say against Pakistan. I hope God gives him patience.

    To all the Politicians all over the world — Get aside, this is the age of the average person. I am very sure that like Obama, there will be many many fair minded leaders who will rule us and lead us to peace. I am a very positive person and I request everyone to be as positive as one can and nullify the effects of terrorism and Politics from our life. The only way we can do it is by unity. We have to unite to live in peace. I don’t know how many more attacks will be needed for people to understand that fighting for petty reasons would never yield any good. Hopefully none from now on!

  76. #76 by khansahab on December 23, 2008 - 1:31 AM


    You have reacted with a lot of maturity and good sense. In fact you have exceeded my expectations.

    I don’t think Pakistani people can do a lot here, whatever needs to be done has to be done by their government. But Indians can do a lot and they can start by thinking calmly like you Pawan. The essential thing to handle this type of crisis is to think with a cool head, otherwise the battle is lost even before it is started.

    This reminds me of how angry PPP people were when Benazir was killed. When they won the election they kept reacting very angrily and arrogantly, saying, “Democracy is the best revenge”. It was a stupid comment to make against whom and in what context? The Army? Musharraf? The religious extremists? Who?

    Rational people were ridiculing that remark because this party was discussing revenge after coming into power after so many years? They were words and sentiments of negativity and people were saying that, nothing positive should be expected from these guys because they have started their era with negativity.

  77. #77 by Varun Suri on December 23, 2008 - 4:05 AM


    Well, many Indians are thinking like Pawan here including me, but the problem is in a Country of 1.2 Billion just like people can jump to Conclusions by seeing what is shown on TV,similarly people can form their Opinions based on 1 or 2 personalities for eg. Arundhati or Amaresh Mishra. Atleast the former got famous first and then became an activist but the latter? Who is he?

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2008 - 4:08 AM

    Wow Pawan, you are speaking like a true human being without any biases, prejudices and you have said some real words of wisdom. We all have some patriotism in us hence we do not wish to hear anything against us. But, a true human being is the one who raises above these trivial biases and prejudices and see things from a different perspective and that is what is need – I mean the spirit that you have demonstrated in your comments.

    One of the latest threats that came to Pakistan is from the Indian Foreign Minister and here it is:


    Mukherjee threatens Pakistan with military strike

    Updated at: 0645 PST, Tuesday, December 23, 2008
    NEW DELHI: India’s Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said on Monday that if Pakistan doesn’t deal with those responsible, “ultimately, it is we who have to deal with this problem.”

    “While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem,” he told a meeting of India’s ambassadors gathered in New Delhi to discuss the Mumbai siege.

    Asked whether a military response to the attacks was being considered, Mukherjee said India would “explore all options” to push Pakistan on its promise to crack down on cross-border terrorism.

    We have so far acted with utmost restraint and are hopeful that (the) international community will use its influence to urge (the) Pakistani government to take effective action, he said. He also criticised the international reaction to last month’s attacks on Mumbai, saying pressure put on Pakistan by world leaders was inadequate.

    Mukherjee said that he wanted to see more results from US-led attempts to force Pakistan to co-operate with the probe into the attacks. “There has been some effort so far by the international community but this is not enough,” Mukherjee said.


    Reportedly there are a lot of rumours that the US has provided a lot of funding to the Indian Government, the Indian Media and the Pakistani opposition to create anti-Pakistani feelings and hatred among people in Pakistan. Also to create unrest between the government and the opposition. It is obvious from the way Nawaz Sharif has suddenly woken up and launched a campaign against the government despite knowing the fact that the situation in the country is very delicate and this is the time he should have offered his support.

    I am not a supporter of Zardari and I have used very harsh words for him like Chor, Daku, Lutera etc., but, I don’t want the opposition to weaken his government at this time, it is not in the interest of the country. The people of Pakistan must demonstrate solidarity by being united. But, I certainly don’t like the way Nawaz Sharif is behaving for the last one week or so.

  79. #79 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2008 - 4:24 AM

    Wasim you say: “the most successful captain at the domestic level,…” talking about Shoaib Malik I guess? Because, I have not read the previous comments as I have been very busy lately.

    In my previous comment on this page pertaining to politics, I have said that irrespective of what people think of PPP government under Zardari’s leadership (not rule) I think at a time like this, everyone should support him to show unity and solidarity.

    Shoaib Malik’s case is not the same as Zardari’s,
    because there is no threat to the team. Whereas, the country is under threat. Yet I don’t want to oppose Malik for the sake of removing him from captaincy. Initially there was no problem with him being a captain and, his success has mainly been against the minnows. Even that is acceptable, but the way he play petty politics and the way he handle his resources and the team, he does not deserve to be a captain basically he does not have the captaincy material. And, the example of success at domestic level quoted by you, I would say that, in most cases it means nothing at international level. There are so many examples of players who have been good at domestic level and pretty ordinary at international level.

    If Malik changes his attitude towards the players and behaves like a leader also he needs to lead the team from the front instead of getting chickened out at times, I don’t mind giving him a second chance to prove his worth. If he continues to do what he has been doing then, obviously after the Sri Lanka series he should not be the captain. Whether you agree with me or not, that is my view and you may have yours.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2008 - 4:29 AM

    Varun good to see you from Swadesh. To answer your question “who is he?” He is a common man or “Ek Aam Aadmi.” And, a common man like you, pawan or khansahab has more value than a famous person. Do you think Shabana Azmi, Javed Akhtar or those Naatay Khan and Patay Khan’s views are respected? People hear them or read them but not necessarily respect them.

    When I read Pawan’s views I have more respect for him than before because he makes sense, like you amit, awas and that is what is needed we need to create more educated “Aaam Aadmi” to change the thinking patterns in our respective countries.

  81. #81 by Varun Suri on December 23, 2008 - 4:34 AM

    I agree with you Javed, but what about the deep-rooted prejudices which the people have in their minds on the both the sides of the Border.
    That cannot be changed in a fornight, that will take few Generations.

    In India many view Christians still as the British Empire who ruled us for 150-200 Years. Where-as when i was in Scotland they were converting all the Churches in to Night Clubs and Discs.
    Through my personal experience i have been able to change few people’s mindsets but also realised that it is big struggle/fight to change “aam-aadmi”‘s Prejudices and Mindsets.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2008 - 5:30 AM


    On changing the mindset, biases and prejudices you cannot change them overnight. Characteristically most people will not even admit that such considerations are seriously affecting their efficiency in dealing with other people or in making relationships such as friendship. Recognizing this quality not only requires perceptiveness but, also a great deal of Humility. The example that I just gave of Anand struck me for quite a while since meeting him. And, I believe that it is possible to change ourselves from within. Its not easy yet it is not impossible.

    Can anyone reach the farthest mountain in one gigantic leap? But take the first step and then the next and be committed to the last. You can and will get there.

    So the key is —- STEP BY STEP. I believe it is not a question of “I. Q.” but of ” I CAN”.

    The reason I used the word IQ is because some people say that people who have higher IQ are more perceptive and they learn better and faster, but what if they do not have the will to change? Therefore, I CAN is more important than IQ.

  83. #83 by khansahab on December 23, 2008 - 12:40 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Comment no 79

    What else does one expect from Nawaz Sharif? He doesn’t care about Pakistan and all he wants is success and prosperity for one province. Plus he is an opportunist and he will do anything to gain support and come into power.

  84. #84 by Abdul on December 23, 2008 - 1:37 PM

    Hats of to Indian supporters once again for their series victory against England. Generally,a competetive series which is good for the future of world cricket and really pleasing to see it went ahead to following the Mumbai attacks as it can really help rebuild propertity and unity after such an event.

    Monty Panasear will be under the spot light now following his avearge or below par performances in the series and ECB will have to rethink about his position as Englands premier spinner. I also feel England missed Shah in this series as he’s a porfilic run scorer.

  85. #85 by Abdul on December 23, 2008 - 4:53 PM

    My team for the upcoming series against Sri Lanka are …………….

    Imran Nazir
    Salman Butt
    Younis Khan
    Mohamed Yousuf
    Shoaib Malik
    Shiad Yosuuf
    Kamran Akmarl
    Soahil Tanvir
    Umar Gul
    Shaoaib Akthar
    Danish Kaneria

    Others in the squad who will possibly come into consideration from my preferred side would be the likes of.

    Sead Ajmal
    Manssor Amjad
    Yasir Shah
    Imran Tahir

    are alternatives to KANERIA

    Imran Farhat
    Sohail Khan
    ifthikaf Anjum

    Bring on the Murali and the crew or as we say “chuck de pathe” !

  86. #86 by khansahab on December 23, 2008 - 6:00 PM


    Shahid Yousaf is a very average player. He only played 1 good knock in ICL. That also he got very lucky, otherwise the tailenders were hitting the ball more cleanly than him.

    What did Misbah ul Haq do to you? He is not in your team? Do you find him too old, if you are so young yourself Abdul it doesn’t mean you find 34 year olds, old?

  87. #87 by khansahab on December 23, 2008 - 6:40 PM

    Sri Lanka wants series against India, not Pakistan

    Date: 23 December, 2008(Tuesday)

    Bipin Dani

    Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) likely to get another jolt soon. Subsequently after the refusal by the BCCI to send a team to Pakistan next month, Mahela Jaywardane team may also not be permitted to replace India in Pakistan, according to the Sri Lankan sports minister Gamini Lokuge.

    Speaking over his mobile from Colombo, minutes after sacking interim committee chairman Arjuna Ranatunga, Lokuge said, “It is news to me that he[Ranatungta] had committed to the PCB for this tour. He even did not consult the interim committee members”.

    “I would like India to come to Sri Lanka rather than our team participating in Pakistan. I am yet to decide whether to hold elections for the Sri Lanka board or run one more interim committee,” Lokuge added.

    Earlier today, Lokuge dissolved Sri Lanka Cricket – which was headed by Arjuna Ranatunga. “Minister of Sports and Public Recreation Gamini Lokuge has dissolved the Sri Lanka Cricket Interim Committee with immediate effect,” a media statement said.

    Sports ministry secretary S. Liyanagama has been appointed to oversee the day-to-day affairs of the cricket administration until a new management committee is installed.

    The next man to head Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC) would certainly be pro-BCCI and not like Arjuna Ranatunga who was at loggerheads with the Indian cricket board on several issues.

  88. #88 by khansahab on December 23, 2008 - 6:59 PM


    My preferred team for ODI’s:

    Nasar Jamshed
    Shahad Afridi (captain)
    Shoaib Malak
    Masbah ul Haq
    Younas Khan
    Fawad Alam (last chance)
    Sarfraz Ahmed (keeper)
    Sohail Tanvir
    Yasar Arafat
    Umar Gul
    Shoaib Akhtar (if not playing, then Sohail Khan)

  89. #89 by Pawan on December 24, 2008 - 4:05 AM

    Thanks Javed, Khansahab and everyone. It is our duty to stay together, no matter what…

    This one goes to all the peacemakers…

    Track : Gulshan Ki Faqat Phoolon Se Nahi
    Album : Desires (1994)
    Lyrics : Saba Afghani
    Singer : Jagjit Singh
    Music : Jagjit Singh

    “Gulshan ki faqat pholon se nahi
    kaanto se bhi zeenat hoti hai
    jeenay ke liye es duniya mein
    gam ki bhi zaroorat hoti hai

    Aye waaiz-e-naadan karta hain
    tu ek qayamat ka charcha
    yahan roz nigahein milti hai
    yahan roz kayamat hoti hai

    woh purshish gam ko aaye hai
    kuch keh na saku chup reh na saku
    khamosh rahoon toh mushkil hai
    kehdu toh shikayat hoti hai

    karna hi padega zabt-e-alam
    peeney hi padenge yeh aansu
    fariyad-o-fugaan se aye naadan
    tauheen-e-mohobbat hoti hai

    jo aake ruke daaman pe saba
    woh ashq nahi hai paani hai
    jo ashq na chalkey aankho se
    us ashq ki keemat hoti hai”

    zeenat= beauty
    waaiz= preacher
    zabt=bear suffer

  90. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2008 - 6:13 AM

    wah wah wah pawan kya baat hai tumharee shayeri parh ker aisay laga ……..

    Jaisay weeranay may chupkay say bahar ajaye
    Jaisay sehraon may holay say chalay baad-e-naseem
    Jaisay beemar ko bay wajah qaraar ajaye.

    Like the empty field where springtime, without being noticed, is bringing flowers;
    Like the desert over which the breeze moves gently, with great care;
    Like the dying patient who, for no reason, smiles.

    On that verse, “kerna hee padega zabt-e-alam” I have to share this one with you:

    zabt kaa ehad bhee hai shaoq ka paimaan bhee hai
    ehd o paimaan say guzar jaanay ko jee chahtaa hai
    shor itnaa kay harr rugg mein hai mehsharr barpaa….
    aur sukoon aisaa kay marr janay ko jee chahtaa hai !!

    ikk baar hee jee bhar kay saza kiyuon nahee daitay…
    garr harf e ghalat hoon tu mitaa kiyuon nahee daitay
    mitt jayay gee makhlooq tu insaaf karo gayy…
    munsiff ho tu abb hashrr uthaa kiyuon nahee daitay!

  91. #91 by Abdul on December 24, 2008 - 10:42 AM

    Khanshab, my preffered team was surroinding a theme of youth to help prepare long term . Reagarding technique and talent Shaiad Yosuf certainly has what it takes and Misbah Ul Huq in my opinion is no use that low down the order but could be used as an alternative incase of injuries.

    Anway I agree with Yasir Arafat and Sohail Khan as prospects in the bowling department and rate them both highly. However, you have no speialist spinner and are relying to heavily on pace and therefore 3 fast bowlers should be enough. And regarding batsmen Nasir Jamsheed is in instead of Imran Nazir? That’s dybolical because Nazir has proved he’s a bastmen from another planet in the ICL and even at world cricket. Jamsheed is a good attacker but Nazir is simply invincible at times.

  92. #92 by Abdul on December 24, 2008 - 10:44 AM

    Khanshab,what’s your views on Adil Rashid for England . Don’t u think he should be utilzed asap as he’s a unique prospect and could have a massive impact on the fate of English cricket with his credibilties.

  93. #93 by Abdul on December 24, 2008 - 10:59 AM

    Meanwhile,Punjab Stallions are crusing to victory against Federal Areas in the grand final of the RBS pentangular cup as they are 70 runs away and on the brink of glory.
    Punjab are by far the strongest outfit in the tournament and Federal Areas have the best and most experienced bowling attack but at the moment the bowlers are toiling against the partnership of Azhar Ali and Mr Salman Butt.

    Elsewhere,dissapointing to hear that Srilanka’s tour of Pakistan has suffered a setback following political impilcations surrounding the decision to tour.

    I say : “for heaven sake just play anywhere even Abu Dhabi as a last resort as were all hungry to watch our national side in action after 15 months of poverty cricket and we don’t want political influences to affect cricket”

  94. #94 by Abdul on December 24, 2008 - 11:29 AM

    By the way I hope u realise that was my preffered test side. For my one day side their will be a few adjustments.

    Imran Nazir
    Salman Butt
    Younis Khan
    Mohamed Yosuuf
    Shoaib Malik
    Shaid Afrdid
    Kamran Akamrl
    Rana Naved
    Sohail Tavir
    Umar Gul
    Mansoor Amjad

    Here again I’m using a specialist spinner. My batting has fire power and the likes of Rana could be used at 3 on ocassions to continue the onslaught and utlize fielding restrictions. This team has plenty of depth in the batting department and has many stylish sroke players. Again here I’m opting for spin as the key when it comes to bwoling and leaving out “Mr Trouble” for disciplinary reasons and feel he should only be used in test matches as he’s a genuine mathwinner in that format but at odi level as shown by domestic matches he’s struggling to complete hsi full quota of overs. Fawad Alam is also in the ranks as will Yasir Arafat.

  95. #95 by khansahab on December 24, 2008 - 12:52 PM

    Sri Lanka’s cricket tour of Pakistan unlikely: Sources

    Sri Lanka is unlikely to tour Pakistan with authorities reconsidering the decision of sacked Cricket Board Chairman Arjuna Ranatunga to support India’s stance of not touring that country following the recent terror attacks in Mumbai.

    “We follow a pro-India policy. We know the circumstances in which the Indian tour to Pakistan was called off. The tour (of Sri Lanka to Pakistan) is unlikely,” top sources told PTI.

    When contacted, Sri Lankan Sports and Recreation Minister Gamini Lokuge said he would hold discussions with the Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa on the issue.

    “We are reconsidering the decisions taken by Arjuna Ranatunga,” Lokuge said adding that the Foreign Ministry would also be consulted on the proposed tour.

    Ranatunga, who was sacked as the SLC Chairman on Tuesday, had last week confirmed the cricket team’s visit to Pakistan after the Bangladesh cricket series.

    “We have a duty as a friendly neighbour in the region to help Pakistan when it is needed most,” the head of Sri Lanka Cricket, Ranatunga had said.

    An SLC official said they agreed to take India’s place and ask the hosts to scrap two Twenty20 games and turn them into one-day matches.

    The Pakistan Cricket Board had sent an invitation to the Sri Lankans after the Indian government pulled the plug on its cricket team’s tour of Pakistan, scheduled to start from January 4. “Arjuna Ranatunga, the President of Sri Lankan Cricket Board has sent an answer in the affirmative to our invitation. We are now working out the final details of the series,” Saleem Altaf, chief operating officer of the PCB, had said after the tour was confirmed by the SLC.

    Altaf had last week also said in Karachi that Sri Lanka would be playing three Tests and three one-dayers besides taking on Pakistan in a Twenty20 game.

    The Tests would be held in Karachi, Lahore and Multan while the ODIs would be played in the first two places. Karachi will also host the lone Twenty20 encounter.

    “They are expected to reach Pakistan straight from Bangladesh where they complete their tour around January 16,” Altaf said.

    Pakistan has been desperate to play Tests at home as the national team has gone without a series since December last year due to security concerns raised by other nations.

    Pakistan also played just 21 One-day Internationals this year, many of them against weak opponents like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

    Altaf said Sri Lanka’s confirmation had come at a very good time as Pakistan needed to revive international cricket activities at home. Pakistan last played a Test match in December last year, against India in Bangalore.

    As a sequel to the Mumbai terror attack which killed more than 180 people, Indian government had asked the Board of Cricket Control in India to call off the tour to Pakistan beginning next month.

  96. #96 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2008 - 1:08 PM


    I was just reading the same news item about Sri Lanka, but then on “The News” I’ve also read that Jayawardene and his team has no problems in playing a series in Pakistan and they are not concerned about any security issues either and are willing to play. Ranatunga was also in favour of the series but the changes in their board and the committee has put everything in doubt.

    I was also reading Qadir’s statement about the future of cricket in Pakistan and he has hit a nail on Mohammad Yusuf’s head by saying “it would be unjust if we try players like Mohammad Yousuf and Asim Kamal in one-day or twenty20 matches. “They have got the required Test class in them and they are more suited to the longer duration matches. Players need to use different approaches in Tests and one-dayers.”

    I thought Qadir must have matured and mellowed with age but, he is still the leapfrog who before delivering the ball, used to twist and turn, juggle and jump like a frog and a grasshopper. Some of his comments are shockers to many people. I was concurring his appointment as the chief selector because, he was placed before the known devil Aamir Churail. But, some people seldom change.

  97. #97 by Abdul on December 24, 2008 - 5:16 PM

    Pakistan will be toruing Bangaladesh in both a test ,one day series and a 20/20 international in 2009.( Source crcinfo)

    This is no good playing against minnows and lets hope Austrlai also fulfill their requirment of touring in 2009.

    We as supporters can’t suffer another year with “hardly or no cricket”.

  98. #98 by khansahab on December 24, 2008 - 5:49 PM

    Pakistan to tour Bangladesh next year

    Cricinfo staff

    December 24, 2008

    Pakistan will tour Bangladesh for a series of five ODIs after the scheduled tour by Sri Lanka in March next year, the PCB has announced.

    Pakistan have not played a bilateral series in Bangladesh since 2002 although they played in the tri-nation Kitply Cup earlier this year in May. “There will be a series of five ODIs in Bangladesh,” Salim Altaf, chief operating officer PCB, told Cricinfo. “The team will leave on March 3. The tour is part of the FTP.”

    Pakistan has played little cricket over the last year, hit by postponements and cancellations. The latest blow was India’s withdrawal from their January tour, though Sri Lanka have said they will replace them. The series, Altaf said, means at least that the board is trying to arrange matches for the side. “There is an opinion that Pakistan has been isolated at international level but it’s not correct and we have arranged tours for the team.”

    In a bid to ensure that the team does play, Ejaz Butt, the PCB chairman, will meet Cricket Australia officials at an ICC meeting in Perth in January to finalise the five ODIs and Twenty20 Australia is scheduled to play in March-April in Pakistan.

    Privately, board officials believe it is likely those games will be played at a neutral venue. A security assessment is expected before any decision is made but it is believed that Butt will try and convince CA to send their team over when they meet on January 31.

    If the series is shifted to a neutral venue, Abu Dhabi or Dubai remain the foremost options, though other venues are also being looked at.

  99. #99 by khansahab on December 24, 2008 - 8:27 PM

    Change in Sri Lankan board will not affect series: Saleem Altaf

    KARACHI: Chief operating officer Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Saleem Altaf has said that he would talk to Sri Lankan officials regarding their team’s tour of Pakistan during the meeting of the Asian Cricket Council.

    He said that the change in the Sri Lankan board would not affect the series in Pakistan.

    “The change in the set-up is their internal matter and I hope the series will take place,” Saleem Altaf said while talking with media here at the National Stadium on Wednesday.

    “Pakistan is sure to play this series as we badly need to have an international series at home. We are keen on hosting Sri Lanka even though we will not make much money,” he added.

    Altaf said he would discuss the situation with Sri Lankan officials at the Asian Cricket Council meeting in Kuala Lumpur on Sunday.

  100. #100 by khansahab on December 24, 2008 - 8:29 PM

    I’m improving communication skills: Shoaib Malik

    Stung by the criticism of his attitude, Pakistan cricket captain Shoaib Malik says he is trying to improve his communication skills to sort out differences with his teammates and get their backing.

    “I am now trying to improve my communication skills to make sure that I communicate with the other players well. I have told them if any one has any issues with me he should talk directly to me and we will sort it out instead of them going to the media,” Malik said.

    Senior players like Mohd Yousuf, who joined the rebel Indian cricket League in November, said Malik did not show respect to them.

    Malik denied this insisting Yousuf had never indicated this to him and he was still willing to work out things with him.

    “For a captain it is very important to have the backing of all players and definitely I am trying to ensure they are comfortable with me and we gel as a team,” he said.

    “I never asked for the captaincy. But after the World Cup 2007 the situation was such and with the team struggling It was a challenge for me to accept the offer to lead the side,” Malik said.

    Malik, who is likely to be retained as captain, said he was now enjoying the challenge of leading a talented bunch of players.

    “It is a great feeling because I am also improving as a player and so is the team. Leading your country is a big honour and I would love to continue doing this job,” he said.

  101. #101 by farrah, k.raja on December 24, 2008 - 8:34 PM

    khan sahab
    There are only two types of matches worth watching ,Ashes final .
    And India Pakistan one day when they are at the brinks of war.
    In this hostile climate imagine Pakistan playing in Bombay ground and getting boooed
    and India playing inLahore getting boooed
    What would become of the players.
    If Pakistan wins they can flirt with all Indian No ones.
    If India wins,they can go out with Anjuman.
    Hows that?
    I love the thrill of it and it disolves war.
    Do a poll on it?
    Should India Pakistan play a one day at Sharjah?

  102. #102 by Abdul on December 25, 2008 - 9:44 AM

    Farah K Raja , nice to see u commenting on cricket and I don’t and many of us don’t like watching India -Pakistan clashes when were on the brink of war as it just doesn’t suit the rivalary. Yes we will have a little bit of banater with our friends but just getting “boohed” is just atrociois sportmanship which makes crickey unworthy and unfair.

    By the way who is you favourite cricketer?
    Perphaps I can guess it?
    Well Pakistan-India will top the list of any rivalary,followed up by the world cup and than the ashes in my opinion.

    Meanwhile the 2nd test commences tommorow at the SCG with Southafrica taking the lead . This year has shown that Austrlia are no longer world champions and now defeats against Southafrica at Perth having posted over 400 and a series 2-0 defeat against India represent their major decline.Even a minor test outfit in Newzeland were able to compete and challenge them. Hence, Sothafrica win the series we will than no for definant that their invinvible run at no 1 is by far over.

    It so pleasing from a fans perspective now that matches involving Austrlia aren’t predictable and one sided which no only makees cricket more worthy and competetive from a players perspective but also makes cricket more interesting and exciting from a fans view.

  103. #103 by farrah, k.raja on December 25, 2008 - 11:55 AM

    I know true fans do not like their sport and players to be taken over by hooligans like me.
    I only watch when stakes are high like England playing for Ashes final or the finals of world cup if UK or Pkaistan is playing,
    Would love to see India Pkaistan one day Internationals now,please note I did not say they should play in home grounds ,I said imagine if they are playing and getting booed.
    I would like them to play India Vs Pakistan in UK or Dubai,the whole world would be involved in this like a fever.
    Definitely world cup even played and won without Pakistan is nothing.
    Also not providing the players with worth opponents is not fair .
    In football it is not if Ronaldo secures a goal or not but he gives the thrill and so does Beckham this threat of doing a goal is what all the games are about.

  104. #104 by Abdul on December 26, 2008 - 11:09 AM

    WOH, guys that was simply stunning. An ultimate over to decide a t20 game. Gee isn’t cricket just great. This ultimate over theme is must better and fair than a bowl out it’s got to be said.

  105. #105 by khansahab on December 26, 2008 - 6:40 PM

    IPL will lose fans if Pak players don’t come: Younus

    Karachi: The Indian Premier League (IPL) will lose a substantial fan-base if Pakistani cricketers are not able to participate in the Twenty20 event next year following the Mumbai terror strikes, senior batsman Younus Khan said.
    “The franchises running teams in the IPL know that Indian and Pakistani players are the biggest attractions in the league,” Younus, who returned home after playing for South Australia in the Sheffield Shield, said.

    “The league touched new heights in popularity when Shoaib Akhtar played his first match for the Kolkata Knight Riders as the Eden Gardens was jam-packed. Indian people like to watch Pakistani players in action and they are popular there as well,” he added.

    Younus, who played just one match for the Rajasthan Royals, the eventual champions, hoped the India-Pakistan relations would improve before the start of the new season in April.

    “I think it is premature to think about our participation in the IPL,” he added.

    Younus said he was disappointed at the cancellation of the Indian team’s tour to Pakistan as he believed politics and sports should not be mixed.

    “I think this way but there are situations where one has to look at the larger picture. But definitely if India had come it would have been a boost for Pakistan cricket and would have allowed the board to generate good revenues,” he said.

    Younus said it was important that India’s replacement Sri Lanka toured Pakistan now.

    “I am worried… if Sri Lanka also don’t come then the future of cricket would be in danger in Pakistan,” he said.

  106. #106 by khansahab on December 27, 2008 - 1:59 PM

    Intikhab wants Malik captaincy extended

    Cricinfo staff

    December 27, 2008

    Intikhab Alam, Pakistan’s coach, has changed his mind about the leadership credentials of Shoaib Malik, believing that his tenure should be extended beyond the end of the year.

    Malik’s performance is due to be reviewed by the Pakistan board’s governing committee on December 31 though it is widely expected that he will be persisted with, as Pakistan’s lack of international cricket has prevented a rush to judgement.

    Alam’s input is expected and he said he had no doubt the allrounder should continue to captain Pakistan. “I am crystal clear in my mind that Malik should continue as captain,” Alam told AP.

    Malik has been criticised by Mohammad Yousuf and, privately by other senior players, for being a poor communicator. But Alam said he was learning. “His attitude has changed toward other players in the team and I think that’s a good sign. Malik is still learning but he will gradually be more confident if his captaincy tenure is extended,” Alam said.

    It represents a turnaround from Alam’s comments made in September before he became coach. Then he had complained that Pakistan did not “have captaincy stuff in the present lot” and suggested Shahid Afridi as a candidate.

    But he admitted that after he was appointed coach and had long meetings with Malik, he discovered a different man, particularly during the ODI series against the West Indies in Abu Dhabi last month.

    “I admit that I had criticized Malik a lot, but he is a changed person now, who believes in himself and his team players,” Alam said. “He showed a lot of guts in batting, bowling and leading his side. He has a good thinking cap and I think he should be given an extended run.”

    Malik has been impressive recently in domestic cricket, leading Sialkot Stallions to the domestic Twenty20 title and Punjab Stallions to the Pentangular ODI cup. He has led Pakistan in two Test series both of which were lost since he becoming captain last year.

    He led Pakistan to a country record 12 successive ODI wins though the bulk of them came against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh earlier this year.

    “Now that’s not the fault of Malik if we couldn’t compete against stronger teams this year,” Alam said. “I firmly believe that against Sri Lanka he will give a good performance if he retains the captaincy.”

  107. #107 by khansahab on December 27, 2008 - 3:29 PM

    Pakistan-Sri Lanka series will produce quality cricket, says Yousuf

    Karachi, Dec 27 (IANS) Mohammad Yousuf said Saturday that Pakistan’s home series against Sri Lanka will produce high quality cricket.

    While terming India’s decision to cancel its cricket team’s tour of Pakistan as a ‘loss for cricket’, Yousuf said Sri Lanka are a fitting replacement.

    Sri Lanka agreed to fill in for India, which refused to tour Pakistan for a much-awaited series in Jan-Feb over last month’s terror attack in Mumbai.

    The 34-year-old from Lahore was banned by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) last month after he rejoined the rebel Indian Cricket League (ICL). He is unlikely to be selected in the national side against Sri Lanka, which is expected to play three Tests and five one-dayers in Pakistan from Jan 20 to Feb 25.

    However, Yousuf is hopeful that things will change following the appointment of former Pakistan captain Javed Miandad as the PCB director general earlier this month.

    Miandad is supportive of the country’s ICL rebels and according to sources he is pushing their case to bring them back in the fold.

  108. #108 by khansahab on December 27, 2008 - 4:07 PM

    Miandad flexing his muscle as PCB director-general

    Karachi (PTI): Former Pakistan captain Javed Miandad has started flexing his muscles in cricket related matters as the director-general of the Pakistan Cricket Board.
    Miandad, who played a major role in getting Sri Lanka’s cricket tour to Pakistan on track, is also showing his authority in the domestic structure.
    The posting of two new umpires, Akram Raza and Kamal Merchant, for the final of the Pentangular one-day tournament is one example where even the umpires’ manager in the Board and other officials had disagreed with the idea of posting two new fresh faces for such a big final.
    But Miandad stuck to his guns overruling other officials, including the umpires manager.
    “These two guys have been very prominent first class players and Akram has even played nine Tests and 49 One-day Internationals. They had been umpiring in domestic cricket for the last two years but were not given an opportunity to stand in big matches. I felt it was the right time to blood them,” Miandad said.
    He said he planned to have more former prominent players to officiate matches as they stood a better chance of being selected in the international panel of umpires.
    “I don’t care what anyone says as long as my conscience is clear that I have taken decisions which are in the larger interests of Pakistan cricket,” he said.
    He said it was unfair to restrict Akram and Kamal to non first class and junior level matches given their vast experience as players.
    It is no secret that Miandad has been brought into the Board on direct orders of President Asif Zardari, who is also the chief patron of the PCB.

  109. #109 by Wasim on December 27, 2008 - 6:53 PM

    I think less people will watch IPL this year and the franchises will struggle to find International replacements for Pakistani players it will hurt them financially and will also tip the balance of power between different franchises the month month long tournament became a drag and boring in the last season when Aussie and NZ players left many teams struggled to maintain their winning combination this might ultimately affect their fan base and commercial attractiveness.

    ICL will get completely destroyed if Pakistan doesn’t allow Lahore Badshah players to travel to India, LB were the biggest crowd pullers for ICL.

  110. #110 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2008 - 5:31 AM

    wasim – ICL yes, but IPL not that much because English players like Flintoff and Pietersen are willing to play for IPL and a few more of the South Africans are also willing to play. McGrath, Symonds, Gilly et al have also announced that they will play. The only possibility of its failure could be if there is any terrorist incident on or off ground during the tournament.

    And, yes Pakistan must boycott playing for both ICL and IPL irrespective of whatever the contract bindings are. The way things are heading towards the point of no return, I don’t see any cricket match between the two countries for the next decade or so. They might only meet elsewhere in international tournaments. The irony is this WC 2011 will also be affected by the political situation and its possible that there will be no WC match in Pakistan. In case of India, it depends on the situation at that time.

    I am watching the Aus / SA live and what an innings Duminy and Dale Steyn played today. JP Duminy has scored 150 n.o. right now and the lead is 49 runs. Australian cricket team’s situation is similar to the US political and financial situation. Both are on the decline. Tout en une fin.

  111. #111 by Wasim on December 28, 2008 - 7:39 AM


    Australia is scheduled to tour SA in April 2009 and West Indies is touring Bangladesh,and Zimbabwe is touring England(this tour may or may not happen),
    the next IPL season starts on April 10th and stays on until May 29th, unless these tours are postponed or players are released for IPL by these 4 nations there will be a shortage of players especially when Pakistani players will also not be there the situation can compound as last year I remember when Aussie and Kiwi players left the tournament became a bit boring and certain franchises struggled to compete.

    Duminy played a master class innings, 76 by Steyn I can’t believe it Ponting & co will be under huge pressure tomorrow if they lost a few quick wickets then it will not be possible for them to save the match.

    I think Brett Lee is done, Australia should rest him in the next match.

  112. #112 by Abdul on December 28, 2008 - 11:29 AM

    Well the MCG boxing day test match is turning out to be a thriller. What a tremenous fight back from the proteas and Mr JP Dumminy has made a bit of a reputation for himself. The Aussies feel the heat in Melbourne as Southafrica apply the pressure.

    Meanwhile in Austrlian domestic cricket Umar Gul is starring for Western Australia and picked up 4-15 against Southaustrlia including getting Tanvir out for a golden duck!Tanvir played reasonably with 1-21 in his 4 overs.

    I request the LS management to write a thread to review the year of 2008 in cricket.

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