QADIR SPINS A GOOGLY

Qadir is the Chief Selector and has made his presence felt due to innovative views

Qadir is the Chief Selector and has made his presence felt due to innovative views

Abdul Qadir was a great legspinner for Pakistan who bamboozled many batsmen in his career. As Chief Selector for the Pakistan Cricket Board, Qadir has made a couple of interesting suggestions which this thread explores.

CAPTAIN APPOINTED ON SERIES BY SERIES BASIS

This is a welcome suggestion looking at the current captain, Shoain Malik. Malik has evoked mixed reaction from cricket fans during his captaincy tenure. Generally, a lot of the reaction is due to factors such as the dearth of cricket being played by the national team. However, Malik has been observed in ODI cricket and his captaincy has not

Malik has faced flak, but some argue he has fought back well

Malik has faced flak, but some argue he has fought back well

lived up to expectations. He appears a weak and uncharismatic leader who is more concerned about securing his place in the side, as opposed to improving team morale and gaining respect of players. However, consistent domestic performances in both batting and bowling and leading Sialkot and Punjab to victory in domestic competitions has altered the opinion of many of Malik’s critics, such as Inzamam.

CRICKET-RSA-PAK-ODI

Afridi has been Pakistan's 2nd best bowler in 2008, yet he risks being dropped, perhaps permanently

Malik’s position has benefited from the unavailability of Yousuf due to his contract with the ICL and the dip in batting form of Shahid Afridi, two players who announced their willingness to take over from Malik as captain of the team. In fact, the Malik-Afridi rivalry is no secret to most. With Younis backing Malik and Misbah not being approached for the captaincy position, it seems Malik will remain captain but if the choice is between extending his tenure for a year or evaluating his performance on a series-by-series basis, the latter option is better for Pakistan cricket.

SEPARATE TEAMS FOR ODI, TEST AND T20

This was the other bombshell dropped by Qadir, which has raised mixed response. This suggestion is certainly innovative and sensible. Pakistan cricket has seen a sharp decline of late and having specialist teams for different formats can work in many ways. Firstly, more players will be tried and fresh faces

Yasir Arafat is who an experienced all rounder, can benefit if Qadir's proposals are implemented

Yasir Arafat, who is an experienced all rounder, can benefit if Qadir's proposals are implemented

will be seen. For instance, players like Yasir Arafat and Mansoor Amjad, who have age on their side as well as capability of performing more than one role, can gain if they are slotted in the T20 team, because experienced players like Afridi and Kaneria will be considered before them in ODI’s or Tests.  Secondly, Pakistan has recently relied on all rounders too much, with the result that both batting and bowling have suffered a setback. For example, Abdul Razzaq’s last few years in international cricket were nothing to write home about. He was a liability in batting, and a liability in bowling. Qadir’s ideas can help restrict players like Razzaq and Rana to a format where they can compete with top international players- Twenty20.

Under Qadir's suggestion, talented players like Nasir Jamshed can get more exposure to international cricket

Under Qadir's suggestion, talented players like Nasir Jamshed can get more exposure to international cricket

One argument is that Pakistan has needed all rounders to compensate for weak openers. Surely, if openers are not performing consistently, support is needed lower down the order and people have used this argument to justify playing players like Razzaq and Rana. However, Qadir’s recommendation can also help alleviate this dilemma. Format-specific openers can be tried. For example, Imran Nazir (if his ban is overturned) and Nasir Jamshed, both big hitters, can be utilised for T20 whereas openers like Butt and Khurram Manzoor, who are more cautious batsmen, can be used in Tests.

Of course, even without format-specific teams, PCB can slot random players to play for certain formats, but the economic concepts of division of labour and specialisation can help explain why treating Qadir’s proposals seriously, might help. Players can become better by playing the same format over and over again. For instance, someone like Imran Nazir can be considered as an automatic selection in T20, and he can always be guaranteed a place in T20 cricket. This will improve his confidence and also his fitness level- since he will be playing frequently. He will also not need to worry about other openers taking his place that much, because he will have a specialist role and he will know that he will always be considered over a more defensive opener, such as Khurram Manzoor for example. This strategy will help fast bowlers even more. Bowlers can benefit from more frequent international exposure which will improve their mental competitiveness, provide them with an incentive to keep their fitness top-notch and will also help their confidence.

To conclude, Abdul Qadir’s views have emerged as a breath of fresh air, considering the lack of planning and absence of sensible decisions by the PCB for a long time. Miandad, the Director General of PCB has expressed disapproval of these ideas because he thinks it is too much hassle, but it is submitted that implementation of such proposals is beneficial for Pakistan cricket for the longer term.

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  1. #1 by khansahab on January 3, 2009 - 8:54 PM

    Sri Lanka to tour Pakistan in two phases
    Saturday, January 03, 2009

    Karachi: The suspense is finally over. The whole drama surrounding Sri Lanka’s proposed series against India and Pakistan was finally put to rest on Saturday.

    Sri Lanka will now tour Pakistan in two phases and also accomodate an ODI series against India all in the space of a month. Confirming this, Sri Lanka Sports Minister Gamini Lokuge told cricketnirvana.com, that his team will tour Pakistan first for five ODis and a T20 international. Then go back to Pakistan in late February to play three Tests.

    “We will honour the Pakistan commitment. I have told Duleep Mendis (Sri Lanka Cricket CEO) to look at the option of touring Pakistan first for five ODIs and a Twenty20. The team will fly directly from Bangladesh and then return to Colombo to play a five-match ODI series with India. We will then return to Pakistan for three Tests,” Lokuge said.

    Pakistan has been anxiously waiting for confirmation of an itinerary after India cancelled a tour over political tensions in the wake of Mumbai terror attacks. Pakistan was kept waiting as Sri Lanka was also negotiating a six or four-match ODI series or even a tri-series with India after their tour of Bangladesh which ends on January 16.

    The other problem was Pakistan was scheduled to tour Bangladesh for a five-match ODI series from March 3. But now SLC CEO Duleep Mendis has himself spoken to Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) to postpone the tour by a few days to March 6, informed Lokuge.

    The SLC had earlier told PCB that they can only tour Pakistan from February 20 and not from January 20 as earlier proposed. Under the new scenario the PCB had also requested Bangladesh to push Pakistan’s five-match ODI series starting from March 3 for a week.

  2. #2 by Wasim on January 3, 2009 - 9:14 PM

    What happened to the idea of giving rest to the players,PCB before accepting and signing on to any contract should take strong guarnatees to ensure that the later half of the tour will happen and no excuses will be accepted there should be financial guarnatees involved.

  3. #3 by Awas on January 3, 2009 - 9:37 PM

    As always, excellent thread once again from khansahab. Good journalism!

    Qadir was an unexpected and unknown territory when made a chief selector. Like his wonderful bowling action and googlies, I hope he bamboozles with some good ideas as a selector too. Only time will tell whether he was an inspired choice.

    I just hope selection is based on performance and no favouritism is involved. But whatever the case, even performance criterion can be viewed differently by some people. For example, how Dravid recently failed match after match but they still persevered with him. If it was Pakistan, people would be going for his chop whatever the record.

    Afridi needs to be handled sensibly and given more chances and confidence. I hope Qadir himself being a good spinner can see that. Imran Khan was always good at giving Qadir encouragement.

    It will be much better and less controversial if Younis Khan takes over the mantle of a captain instead. I give him a lot of credit for supporting his captain. It just shows his selflessness, a rare trait. Afridi can then be a good choice for T20’s if not for ODI’s as well because Younis is still good for tests as well as ODI’s.

  4. #4 by Wasim on January 3, 2009 - 10:02 PM

    Khansahab

    “He appears a weak and uncharismatic leader who is more concerned about securing his place in the side, as opposed to improving team morale and gaining respect of players.”

    Uncharasmatic I agree and would also add inexperienced and unimaginative for the test matches, he has been doing fine in the shorter version of the game as a captain but lacked in personal performance because of not bowling.

    I do not agree that all he is concerned about is securing his place in the team, I think that should be the ultimate goal of any player.

    As regards Afridi he is definitely more charasmatic than Malik but I haven’t seen any proof that he has better captaincy skills than Malik,as regards his personal performance nobody has ever gotten as many chances as he got, he had the best domestic team yet he failed to over power Stallions on numerous occasions which was a relatively weaker team, and if you analyze the difference between the two teams,it was the personal performance of the captains so charm doesn’t count that much.

    I don’t think Afridi can be dropped permanently he is the only crowd puller besides Shoaib Akhter in the team also his bowling has been more than useful for Pakistan at times, I would love to see him regain his batting form.

    Malik and Afridi both were not justifying their team selection in the ODi’s as both were selected as all rounders and both failed to fulfill their roles as planned.

    Malik has regained his bowling form and has performed well in all the domestic tournaments as a captain so any excuse of removing him doesn’t exist any more. Mohammad Yousuf’s ban has further helped him cement his place in both formats as we do need an experienced batsman.

    Qadir’s proposal to appoint a separate captain for Odis and tests is a good one as I don’t think Malik has the skill to be a good captain for the test matches, and I also agree with Qadir that the captain for now should not be appointed on a long term basis because I still believe that Malik has not been tested as a captain in the test matches,he should only be appointed captain until April 09.

    Right now I think he deserves place in both formats of the game because of his current form, but in the recent past I felt that at times we couldn’t get the winning combination in the Odi’s and T20’s because of his poor bowling he was not justifying his selection.

    We can’t afford two bits and pieces all rounders in the team,it would be criminal to leave players like Saeed Ajmal, Mansoor Amjad and Fawad Alam on the side lines because of these two guys, if their slump continues then both of them or at least one of them should be axed, if the ban on ICL players is lifted then PCB will have many more options and they can come up with the best combination.

  5. #5 by khansahab on January 3, 2009 - 10:19 PM

    Omer

    I think we had this debate on Pakspin and we might have one here. Statistically Malik is Pakistan’s best no 3 ODI batsman if you analyse the records of batsmen who have played more than 25 ODI innings.

    He averages 60 at no 4, but he has only played 11 innings so I can exclude it.

    This is the reason I used to back him on Pakspin- he can bat. If you want to argue he is not a Test batsman, I agree but I think it is more to do with, him not knowing what his role is. Also, apart from Yousuf and Younis Pakistan does not have any Test standard batsman. Maybe Misbah can become one and maybe Asim Kamal could have become one too, had he been given more chances.

    I remember him playing many match winning innings against India and Sri Lanka. He didn’t go on and make huge centuries, but he did finish matches for Pakistan.

    His batting declined as he became captain and his bowling has never been good, so on that basis I campaigned for his removal. But that doesn’t mean he was never a good player.

    The reasons why I don’t like him are not because I doubt his talent, but because of his personal traits such as weak personality, stupid decisions, and grudges against some youngsters.

    Wasim sahab

    I think you misunderstand when I saw Malik is obsessed with his status in the team. I agree every player should be determined to retain his place, but his attitude towards some youngsters has been unsupportive and if you recall there was some news that some young players have complained to Talat Ali that Malik does not support them and wants them to stay out of the team.

    There were many little series where he could have afforded to play uncapped youngsters sitting on the bench, but he didn’t. Firstly Pakistan was playing minnows so the question of Pakistan losing would not arise but even if Malik was afraid Pakistan would lose and the winning combination would be upset, it was a risk worth taking because Pakistan cricket needs more match winners.

    You have mentioned 3 very reputable players- Ajmal, Amjad and Alam. Mansoor Amjad is good but he doesn’t have that reputation like Kaneria and Saeed Ajmal. These bowlers have been known to rip through batting line ups on many occasions. I think Mansoor should focus only on his bowling, that is the only way he can rise above others and make it as a specialist spinner in the national side.
    Fawad Alam is an underrated batsman. He averages 48 in first class (averaged 50 earlier this year), 44 in LIST A and 41 in T20. He is a complete batsman because he can play all 3 forms of the game. Misbah is known to be one of the best batsman in domestic cricket but Fawad is not behind- after Misbah, he is the only batsman I have come across who is so good in all formats of domestic cricket. And I have scanned the records of all batsmen in Quaid-e-Azam trophy and Pentangular Cup.

  6. #6 by Wasim on January 3, 2009 - 10:26 PM

    Omer and Awas

    Malik hasn’t done any thing in the test matches and his captaincy was also not upto the mark but in Odi’s and T20 he has been good and that is why I think Qadir’s proposal is good to appoint different captains for different formats.

    Younis has started playing selflessly only recently I have many instances in the past where he let the team down but I wouldn’t quote them as I believe he is now a changed man and is only playing for the team so he deserves to be appointed as the test captain.

    Malik’s odi record
    33 matches 1141 runs HS 125 @ ave 43.88 and 21 wickets

    Younis khan’s Odi record
    26 matches 1167 runs 3 100’s @ ave of 46.66.

  7. #7 by khansahab on January 3, 2009 - 10:34 PM

    Wasim sahab

    By the way, I just want to add to my earlier comment about Malik that, one of the reasons why he lost respect of the seniors was because he was going through poor form himself and then he was restricting youngsters from playing. That is something your competitors pick up and politicise and use against you. Instead of improving his performance, he was trying to eliminate all competition.

    Selflessness is a different notion to different people. I think Younis is selfless because he plays at no 3, although in domestic cricket he plays from no 4-no 6. He is playing as a makeshift opener for most of his career although he is stronger playing spin. So that tells me he is a selfless player.

  8. #8 by Wasim on January 3, 2009 - 10:43 PM

    Khansahab

    Only 11 make it to the final selection, who should he have dropped, if you drop a senior then the seniors start blaming the captain for not being supportive and if you drop a junior then they start complaining that he is not treating us right, I think the selection should only be done by the selectors, as regards Fawad Alam’s case I think the guy can bat but I don’t consider him to be a bowler, Malik has only us3d him as a part time bowler, I think having him bat down the order paid on several occasions and back fired I think twice, Since Afridi and Akmal were struggling with the bat it was a good Idea to keep one good batsman lower down the order.

    I do agree that several players who were selected for different tours remained on the bench through out the tour and were never selected again, he should have been more proactive to give those youngsters a chance.

    But having said that a few of them like Khalid Latif and Shahid Yousaf they are below average players and if the management decided to keep them on the bench they deserved it. Sohail Khan deserved more chances instead of Rauf and Riaz, I think he has gotten a raw deal.

  9. #9 by Wasim on January 3, 2009 - 10:58 PM

    Khansahab

    I agree with you when he was going through a lean patch as a bowler he was hiding behind younger players, we can look at it as a conspiracy or as a captain’s decision not to risk his team’s chances but I agree with you he didn’t deserved to be in the team when he was out of form, Pakistan could have done much better without him.

    But I think Yousaf’s decision to join ICL was based on pure greed, Shoaib Akhtar has been mad at him for not supporting him during his feud with DNA, we all know Afridi and him are competitors, these guys are also no angels they have also tried to pull his leg whenever they could, I think you and me agreed at Pakspin on many occasions about many of Younis Khans and Afridi’s performances in key matches some of the shots/innings they played decided the fate/result of that series.

    While Malik’s captaincy and his place in the test team should deserve criticism I think these guys should also deserve some flak for their inconsistencies and poor performances.

  10. #10 by Wasim on January 3, 2009 - 11:20 PM

    Omer the two series he played against SA he averaged 43.5 & 41.33. He had a poor test series against India last year, other than that he has not been excellent but you can’t completely discount him as a batsman.

    Younis and Yousaf averaged better than him but they have been very selfish in their batting approach , especially Yousaf he is more in the mold of Chanderpaul he would score a 100 but will never try to enforce his will on the game,Pakistan won most of the matches when Inzi scored a 100 but they they rarely won when Younis or Yousaf scored their big 100’s.

    Younis normally bats aggressively but he too in some of the matches scored at a very slow pace.

  11. #11 by Awas on January 3, 2009 - 11:23 PM

    Wasim

    I agree with you on M Yousuf…greed. As I have said b4, he even got the hump when not picked for the T20 World Tournament and joined ICL purely in retaliation and greed. Whereas, players such as Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar and many others didn’t take much of their omission. But his rejoining the ICL is sheer greed. Even conversion to Islam didn’t change him. A person’s inner trait remains the same no matter what.

    Similarly, Younus has always been selfless. My example of supporting the captain was just one of many as this hasn’t been mentioned b4. If he played some of the careless shots in key matches then could that be more to do with carelessness than selfishness which are two different things? His selflessness is willingness to play at any position. Even Yousuf and Inzi never did that. Not getting motivated by money is one other example of his selflessness.

  12. #12 by deezina07 on January 3, 2009 - 11:24 PM

    Wasim,
    I don’t think greed had anything to do with Yousof’s decision. People in ICL aren’t making money like the people in IPL. They are making around 100000, 200000 US dollars a year and Yousof himself claimed that he made more money playing for Pakistan. We have to realize that Malik had an attitude and an insecurity, he just wanted every player in the team to be at his calibre and beneath his calibre so that he could earn respect from the players. How could he be made captain is still a question, there must have been something seen or thought of and I’d still like to know that something.

  13. #13 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 12:21 AM

    Omer

    I see your point but I’m not sure whether it is correct. Yousuf is not someone who is considered fit for T20. His fitness and running between the wickets was declining. I think he himself realised that he does not have excellent prospects playing limited overs cricket in Pakistan, his outstanding batting record notwithstanding.

    Yousuf is known to be shrewd and far-sighted about money. I am sure he made his decision considering Pakistan’s economic and political conditions- a lot of people started seeing him as a Test player only and I think he felt his future was threatened in some way because teams were reluctant to tour Pakistan. Plus I agree with you, Malik was also a reason.

    I also feel Yousuf felt more at home with Inzamam and Mushy, the Mullahs.

    So I agree greed was not the SOLE reason for Yousuf’s decision, but it was one of the reasons. PCB is in a bad financial patch anyway and it is delaying match fees for players.

  14. #14 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 12:34 AM

    Wasim sahab

    I see why you want to consider Fawad as an all rounder instead of specialist batsman- you are obviously thinking about the fact that Fawad can’t bat in place of Younis, Malik and Misbah.

    I don’t care about his bowling but his batting is too good. In the same way I don’t care about Afridi’s batting because his bowling is good now. When I used to support Malik, his bowling was worse but his batting was too good.

    So I don’t feel the need to associate Fawad’s bowling ability, if we keep doing that he will never get to play. He should be encouraged as a specialist batsman, not as an all rounder because his bowling will somehow make him appear as a dispensable prospect.

    Yousuf is gone now and if Malik bats anywhere in the top 4 (his best batting record is batting at no 3 and 4, and he was not bad as opener)then a place can be carved out for Fawad to maybe bat at no 5, but Malik won’t go through all this hassle for the sake of one player. Fawad or no Fawad, if I was the captain I would either make Malik open or bat at no 3.

    Omer

    You mentioned about Steyn and Zaheer Khan, I think now apart from Younis and maybe Misbah, no Pakistani batsman will be able to play them. I agree with you that world cricket is changing and India and SA have become stronger, but at the same time Pakistan cricket standards are also declining. Malik was amongst the leading run scorers in the Pentangular Cups- ODI and T20. I know it’s hard to believe but on current form he is one of the best batsmen in the country.

    If you want to talk about bowlers like Steyn, then tell me who can play bowlers like them? Butt can’t, Akmal can’t, Younis and Misbah probably can, Malik can’t……haven’t seen much of Fawad so can’t say, Afridi plays every bowler the same way….

  15. #15 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 12:43 AM

    Wasim sahab

    About Younis, I did criticise him a lot on Pakspin because of some unnecessary shots sometimes and temperament problems. He has matured somehow and plays more sensibly. I think Inzamam’s departure and now Yousuf’s unavailability has made him more responsible.

    But there also a side to his character that I never realised before; that he doesn’t play for money and he is a selfless batsman. He is also very supportive of seniors and juniors alike. If I knew these traits before I would not have come at him so hard like I used to.

    About Afridi, yes I used to feel very frustrated at how he can’t change his gameplay, but now acceptance of that fact has made me understand his psyche. He simply doesn’t know how to play any other way. So I don’t bother about his batting now, because I see him as a specialist limited overs’ bowler.

  16. #16 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 12:47 AM

    Omer

    I beg to differ and agree with Awas on this one, Yousaf is lying when he says that he is making less than what he was making with Pakistan team, reports are that his contract is around a million dollar.

    Malik didn’t selected the team so why make him the scapegoat we have to be fair over here.
    I saw every single ICL match and except for one match his performance was ordinary in the ICL and his fielding was comical.

    If Laxman, Dravid and Tendulkar and Kallis can be dropped from T20 then Yousaf could also have taken the decision in the same spirit.

    Awas

    I understand the difference but there was more to it than just plain carelessness.

  17. #17 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 1:00 AM

    Khansahab

    I think you misunderstood my comment I consider Fawad only a batsman, he is not an allrounder and he should find his place in the team as a batsman who can occasionally bowl. We donot afford another paper allrounder.

    We don’t care about Afridi’s batting we don’t care about Alam’s bowling and we have not cared about Malik’s bowling, no doubt against good teams we always feel that we are one batsman and one bowler short.

    In t20 and Odi’s if we select somebody as an allrounder he will have to deliver according to the role assigned to him or else the results will be the same regardless of who is the captain.

  18. #18 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 1:07 AM

    Wasim sahab

    Good point.

    However I think we feel we are one bowler or one batsman short BECAUSE of the fact that we rely on all rounders too much maybe. We relied on Razzaq for too long. Agreed in the beginning he was performing like Imran Khan, but we know what happened to him; now he is only fit for T20.

    That is why I keep saying, we need a change in mindset and need to stop thinking of players like Afridi, Malik and Fawad as all rounders.

    I won’t even say Sohail Tanvir is an all rounder because he hits sixes by fluke.

    If Pakistan wants to select all rounders they need to select people like Yasir Arafat and Mansoor Amjad, Tahir Khan, Kamran Hussein. And by saying this I am not saying their success as all rounders is guaranteed.

    I have always said, either you should have an all rounder of the calibre of Flintoff or Kallis (or Razzaq at his peak), or you should not have all rounders.

  19. #19 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 1:30 AM

    Khansahab

    I think Razzak got a raw deal, he was out of form with the ball but he is still a better batsman and a better bowler than Malik or Alam and a better batsman than Afridi.

    Rana was also treated unfairly he had a couple of poor series and was kicked out permanently as compared to some who have been performing poorly since last three or four years but still are an integral part of the team.

    We have a different level of patience for different players, Razzak is uncharasmatic and not too smart he made some poor career decisions as compared to Afridi and Malik, if he had chosen to bat at a higher # he would have still been in the team, his bowling was going no where, and he was batting too low down the order to show any performance as a result he is out.

    I think the last two years of Inzamam damaged Pakistan cricket so much in the long run that we have still not recovered, the trend of preparing dead tracks almost killed the career of many Pakistani bowlers, Akhtar, Sami, Razzak, Rana, Shahid Nazir, these are all good bowlers anywhere in the world except Pakistan, just because our batsmen were not able to bat on supporting wickets we made our bowlers toothless and helpless.

    Inzamam and his cronies prolonged their careers but ruined the career of many players.

    Pakistan has never won matches because of its batting and unless this trend of preparing flat wickets is reversed we will niether produce good batsmen nor good bowlers and will never be able to win any series at home.

  20. #20 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 5:38 AM

    Omer

    If Malik is a son of Punjab then where does Yousaf belong from, I agree with you ethnocentricism is rampant in Pakistan cricket that is why we use different criterion to judge Afridi and Malik.

    On Yousaf you are mistaken not me,a player like Shane Bond signed for Us$800,000 and you think Yousaf would have signed for 100000, if you only figure out his share in the prize money that would be more than this. I still want him back but only in the test and Odi’s.

    If you think that criticism of Yousaf is a defense of Malik it your own perception and I am sorry to say is completely baseless, Yousaf has never been a threat to Malik its a foolish notion.

    He was the ace batsman in test matches and Odi’s but because of his slow batting and poor fielding didn’t fit in the T20 format, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.

    The management and the captain were not upfront with him because they knew he what his reaction would be but I do believe that his case could have been handled in a better way but still it doesn’t give Yousaf any right to black mail and ditch his team at the last moment.

    You mentioned about Malik’s performance in IPL, would you care to tell what was Afridi and Younis Khan’s performance.

    I think only players who have not been performing for one reason or the other have been insecure and are playing this regional card time and again.

    “Malik doesn’t know how to treat players”

    This has become the favorite catch phrase of all the people who hate him because of his ethnicity,and to support this argument we have nothing but conspiracy theories.
    It always take two to tangle if those players who are aggrieved by him were performing properly then he as a captain would not have asked for their ommission.

    We talk so much about not giving a fair chance to Asim kamal can you tell me when was the last time he was selected in any team playing for Karachi?

    If Afridi drops Alam while captaining Dolphins that is fine but if Malik does that then it is pure Jingoism and he is not treating younger players properly.
    Come on be fair it’s not about Punjab or Karachi we are all Pakistanis and we are talking about Pakistani team.

    “Mohd Yousof didn’t look like the typical Punjabi as Rana did, he wasn’t jumping around in the field, and the like”

    I didn’t expected this from a guy like you, and then you talk about jingoism does this comment has anything to do with cricket.

    Forget about it, Iam not even going to talk on this issue anymore.

  21. #21 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 5:49 AM

    Omer

    You are talking like if Malik plays on a different pitch than the rest of his team mates, if he is scoring on dead pitches then when was the last time you saw Younis or any other Pakistani batsman scoring a century on a bouncy or a seaming track . So why single him out?

  22. #22 by abdul on January 4, 2009 - 9:59 AM

    Interesting balanced argument Khanshab. Now I for one like Qadir’s input and involvment with the board to improve the fate of Pakistan cricket. I think he has employed many enterprsing strategies and is a committed individual in his new role and will be successful.

    The main idea I approve is the series by seies captaincy appointment as its a good strategy to acess the captains performance and in a way will make them determined to win a series.

    Regarding specialisit teams is a debatable option as you so correctly mentioned players like Nazir will be permanents for t20 cricket and concentrate soely on there position in that particlar format. However,I feel 2 many adjustments will be a real hassle and feel that one day and t20 teams will be similar. I think spin holds the key in one day cricket along with explosive and stylish strokeplay whereas a more accomplished batting line up and fire power bowling attack will be the key 2 success at test match level. But I could overall only list 4 or 5 possible changes at the maximum between the test and limited overs format.

  23. #23 by abdul on January 4, 2009 - 10:04 AM

    Anway I would like this tittle of the thread to talk about my magic googly which can spin a mile and gain many wickets. It’s my ultimate weapon and I can extract unbelievable amount of spin form the delivery regarding it comes out well. I work hard on practicing this delivery in the nets especially when I went to the Abdul Qadir cricket academy in Lahore so I can perfect the lethal delivery in mathces to accomplish my leg breaks and top spinners. If it ptiches on off stump I can turn it past leg to occasions or even bowl the batsmen through the gate when inviting them to drive. It’s particularly affective aginst left handers as it can turn away vicously.

  24. #24 by abdul on January 4, 2009 - 10:10 AM

    3 setps to bowling a gooly :

    1) hold the ball like a normal leg break with 2 fingers up and 2 down across the rotated seam.Comfortable grip is essential.

    2) At the position if release get your arm above the perpendicular and rotate your wrist backwards with the seam pointing towards fine leg.

    3) Look determined at the spot u look to pitch on . A fair bit outside off stump will be perfection.

    4) Release the ball and you can see the seam and revs coming in to a right hander which is a sight of perfection regarding the line and length is correct.

    It’s a hard art to master and not everyone can do it but practice makes perfection !

  25. #25 by Awas on January 4, 2009 - 12:28 PM

    It’s a great shame that everything here is looked at with a race angle. None of us will be looking at Younus or Afridi as an alternative captain otherwise if that really was the case. We all know that Yousaf is a great batsman but not a captaincy material because of his timid personality.

    No one doubts that Yousaf is Pakistan’s ace batsman but he shouldn’t forget what he is and where he is all because of playing for Pakistan. I once saw Benazir in an interview, when she was in exile, where she said she has done so much for Pakistan and what has Pakistan done for her? I thought that was very crass coming from a leader. A country doesn’t give you anything its what you do for the country, STUPID.

    As I mentioned in comment 16, the first time Yousaf joined ICL was purely in retaliation and greed. Vanity basically. Malik had only recently been made captain as the T20 World Tournament was effectively Malik’s first major tournament and the team nearly won the title. Borrowing Abdul’s words Malik hadn’t stamped his authority yet at that stage the type that we all came to know later. When Yousuf rejoined ICL, it was then that Yousuf gave reasons that Malik was one of them. So, what really was the reason if it wasn’t the one I mentioned for his first signing with ICL?

    I am not going to point figures who plays the jingoism card most here but guys lets try and just look at things at a Pakistani angle than a race angle always.

  26. #26 by Awas on January 4, 2009 - 1:28 PM

    Abdul

    A good lesson in the art of spin bowling. Thank you!

    Are you hoping to play for England or Pakistan one day? Whatever your aim, we at LS would be right behind you.

    Good luck!

  27. #27 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 2:15 PM

    Omer

    I am glad a “guy like you” raised this point about team meetings in Punjabi.

    Because PCB’s headquarters are in Lahore and because we see mostly Lahore-based players in the team and personnel administrating cricket in Pakistan, there is some sort of “exclusivity” in the team. I don’t know whether it is natural, because what is natural for one ethnicity or culture is not natural for another, but you can see this exclusivity if you examine the body language of the players.

    Saeed Ajmal bonded so well with Malik and Akmal that you felt they were brothers or something, whereas Fawad Alam who has been associated with the team for over a year, looks out of place. Asim Kamal, who is from Malir, which is a total Urdu Speaking area, looked very uncomfortable and often used to sit on his own whereas Rana, Razzaq, Malik, Akmal were all sat together joking and “jumping around” together.

    And yes, Yousuf is not like a typical Punjabi player because by personality he is meek and reserved, and he was brought up as a Christian so that distinguishes him automatically.

    One of the reasons why Karachi players end up being inconsistent is because they never feel part of the team the same way Punjabi players do. Players like Asif Mujtaba and Basit Ali, who were monstrously talented, could not make it big in Pakistan cricket. These players had the talent, they had the temperament but we all know in international cricket the pressure is so much that you need to feel part of a team and unity is very important. That’s why Miandad was an exceptional player because he was too thick skinned and too much of a fighter. Saeed Anwar, Moin Khan are originally Punjabis who were brought up in Karachi, so they didn’t have that problem. Moin was born in Pindi but moved to Karachi as a kid, when he was slotted in the team he couldn’t speak Punjabi. But Mushtaq Ahmed in his interview said, “Hamari (referring to Wasim, Inzamam and himself) Moin sey bari dosti ho gai jab uss key Punjabi seekhli….”

    When I said the majority in Pakistan will have to make ideological and cultural sacrifices, this is one of the things I was referring to.

    The situation has worked better for players from NWFP, because Younis, Gul, Afridi etc speak to each other in Pushto and bond very well. In fact Younis and Afridi complained to Inzamam about team meetings being held in Punjabi, because they couldn’t understand it and the relations between Inzamam and Younis Khan became sour for a while. However, it had an impact because Inzamam started addressing all players in Urdu.

  28. #28 by Awas on January 4, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    khansahab

    Well balanced comment as usual.

    There is no denying that nothing is fair and okay anywhere in the world let alone in Pakistan.

    But when praising or criticising a particular player, is it really necessary for some to attack the others’ views with a race card? Such as with a comment like “The problem is that Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal, and the like are the favorite sons of Punjab”. I doubt that Punjabis support these players blindly at least none of us have here on LS. May be I don’t go on other websites where such issues are raised regularly but at least we should consider that we are on LS here.

    I have no problem in quoting what Imran Nazir said if that is the fact but when there is a debate about which player is better than the other (or useless), bringing race card deliberately merely devalues a good argument.

    Just for clarification, my above example, in no way is a personal attack on any person, it was merely to highlight the problem.

  29. #29 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 2:24 PM

    Awas

    I agree that Omer’s comment about Malik being a “favourite” son of Punjab was perhaps uncalled for.

    However, I think it is perhaps fuelled by Malik’s own proclamation that he is a “proud Punjabi” and has “Punjabi blood” running in his veins.

    Nevertheless, I will agree with you that saying that in itself is not wrong because everyone’s roots are important to him/her (except me!). I don’t even know what my roots are…..and I don’t know what Urdu Speaking culture is. I think that is because we are Pathans originally, so we don’t really know “what” we REALLY are.

  30. #30 by Awas on January 4, 2009 - 2:36 PM

    khansahab

    I understand your point of view. Thanks! 🙂

    I wasn’t going to defend Malik on this by the way. Genetically, you are what you are but first and foremost we are Pakistanis although some say Muslim first but for me Pakistanis. Only a country gives a sense of belonging not a particular street where one lives. Although I wouldn’t mind living next to Buckingham Place 🙂

  31. #31 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 2:38 PM

    I wouldn’t mind living next to whichever Palace that Queen Rania lives.

    She is a good looking piece of flesh; “Her Royal Highness” my foot!

    No Royalty or status is important in lust and war 🙂

  32. #32 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 3:00 PM

    Miandad wants NSK to look like Lord’s or the MCG

    By Khalid Hussain

    KARACHI: Javed Miandad said on Saturday that he is working overtime to transform Karachi’s National Stadium into a facility that could be compared with Lord’s, known as the Home of Cricket.

    The Director General of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has ordered renovation work at the National Stadium (NSK) and believes that it would be ready within the next 15 days, well ahead of the proposed home series against Sri Lanka likely to get underway next month.

    “National Stadium is one of our major Test centres and I want it to look as good as Lord’s or the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG),” said the former Pakistan captain, who is these days wearing the hat of a cricket administrator.

    Miandad said that he has also ordered for the detachment of shops and offices adjacent to the stadium, saying that they posed a security hazard.

    “According to the security guidelines given to us by the International Cricket Council (ICC), we can’t have unconcerned units connected to our Test centres,î he said. “That is why we have asked shops and offices to relocate from the National Stadium as soon as possible,” he added.

    Miandad, regarded among the greatest Pakistani cricketers, said that is very important for the National Stadium to become a secure facility otherwise it might not get Tests or One-day Internationals in the future.

    “In the current circumstances, we have to completely abide by the security guidelines given to us by the concerned authorities,” he said.

    “In addition to that, to have unrelated infrastructure removed (from the stadium) will help us beautify the National Stadium in a befitting manner,” he said.

    Miandad said that he wants a ‘ring road’ to be developed around the stadium so that the spectators can reach their particular enclosures without any problems.

    “The National Stadium will be developed into one of the best cricket centres in the world,” said Miandad, who has fond memories of the National Stadium — his home ground.

    Miandad said that he is also consulting with the company that installed a digital screen at the stadium to relocate it as it is posing a security hazard.

    “I don’t know who advised them to put that screen where it is now. It is right in front of an entire enclosure and we will have to relocate it to some better place.”

    Miandad said that the gymnasium at the stadium will be upgraded to international standard, adding that the PCB is ready to take all possible steps to improve the facilities available at the new stadium.

    The National Stadium became Karachi’s fifth and Pakistan’s 11th first-class ground in 1955. The inaugural first-class match was played here between Pakistan and India on April 21-24 that year and it became a fortress of Pakistan cricket. In 34 Tests between that first match and December 2000, Pakistan won 17 and were never beaten. Their first Test defeat here came against England in 2000-01. The first one-dayer at the stadium was against the West Indies on November 21, 1980.

    It is expected to be the venue for the series opener against Sri Lanka sometime next month.

    Meanwhile, Miandad is looking ahead to a rosy future for the ground.

    “My dream is to transform the National Stadium into a cricket facility that is second to none,” Miandad concluded.

  33. #33 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 3:03 PM

    Instead of repeated work in National Stadium in Karachi and Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore, I don’t understand why the PCB can’t invest in other centres.

    Pakistan’s Test standard grounds are only NSK, Gaddafi, Multan and Faislabad. PCB seriously needs to improve facilities in Peshawar and Quetta.

    They should also work in Pindi stadium because it needs renovation.

  34. #34 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 3:06 PM

    Kaneria waiting for ODI call

    Karachi (PTI): Pakistan’s Test leg-spinner Danish Kaneria is hoping that the presence of former Test players like Javed Miandad and Abdul Qadir in the PCB would finally allow him to claim a regular place in the One-day team.

    “Javed Miandad has been a big supporter and he has always guided me in my career. While Abdul Qadir is a leg-spinner himself and has played in ODIs so he would know the importance of having specialist spinners in limited overs cricket,” Kaneria said.

    Kaneria, only the second Hindu to play for Pakistan after his cousin Anil Dalpat, has struggled to find a regular place in Pakistan’s ODI and Twenty20 squads despite an impressive Test record. Kaneria, 28, has taken 220 wickets in 51 Tests but played just 18 ODIs in his eight-year international career.

    “I have been bowling regularly in One-day and Twenty20 cricket for my English county, Essex and even in our domestic cricket for Sindh and Habib Bank so I’m prepared when the opportunity does come my way,” Kaneria said.

    Kaneria said he was confident that Miandad, who is director-general in the board, and chief selector Qadir would give him a proper chance to establish himself in Pakistan’s ODI team. “A spinner needs to have a run of matches to establish himself in One-day cricket. Because the requirements and demands on a leg-spinner in both formats of the game are different,” he said.

  35. #35 by abdul on January 4, 2009 - 3:06 PM

    Awas,my best shout will be playing county cricket as I’m going for trials this year.My aims are becoming a high class working individual and playing cricket at some level on weekends.The chances of playing some sort of county cricket are much more likely than arriving on the international scene. But I already play for the 1st 11 in cricket and capture many wickets at junior level so u never now but I doubt it.

  36. #36 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 3:15 PM

    Abdul

    I am wish you all the best in your sporting endeavours.

    I am hope to see you playing for England and singing “God save the Queen”.

  37. #37 by Awas on January 4, 2009 - 3:18 PM

    Abdul

    I really wish you the best of luck. I hope you succeed. With determination its all possible.

  38. #38 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 4:45 PM

    Omer

    How he became a threat for Malik all of a sudden, can you care to explain, since last two years they played with the same team never had any altercation, except for T20 Yousaf’s selection was automatic, he was not a candidate for capataincy.

    So how in the world you in your imagination made him a threat to Malik, just because Yousaf had nothing to say in his defence and he picked on the weakest link and made him a scapegoat.

    Afridi is selected as an all rounder, if he can’t bat then he should come to bat at # 10 0r #11.
    But the funny thing is the moment his batting position will be dropped you guys will again pull out knives for Malik. Let him bat lower so Alam can bat in his place.

    I have already highlighted Malik’s strengths and weaknesses in my earlier comments and I was not defending him until you criticized him in this racial tone.Your criticism of him lacked fairness and had nothing to with cricket and was more racial than any thing else.

    How many players you have seen from Sialkot in the team?

    If Imran Nazir was telling the truth then why did Malik showered his love on him didn’t he played for Sialkot Stallions.

    He was dropped because of his performance and you guys were his biggest critics but now when his statement suits your stance, you immediately picked it up.Anybody who isdropped from the team naturally will hold a grudge against the captain.

    If you don’t consider Malik a batsman thats your problem, hatred can make people blind.

    Out of 58 test matches Younis played only 7 match winning innings .Big deal.

    Which rebellion are you talking about?

    That Malik didn’t supported Akhter during his feud with DNA.
    Or Malik was promoting Saeed Ajmal , Mansoor Amjad and Fawad Alam to strengthen the bench and Afridi took these moves as a threat to his place in the team.

    If non stop yakking can earn somebody a place in Pakistan team then all 11 players will be from Karachi but unfortunately thats not how it works in real life you have to perform on the field.

    I don’t even have to counter that stupid argument of having the team meetings is Punjabi it’s your Punjab Phobia and nothing else, Were Jeoff lawson and Bob woolmer fluent in Punjabi that we had our team meeting in Punjabi.

  39. #39 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 4:46 PM

    Khansahab

    Just answer when was the last time Asim Kamal played under Afridi?

    Alam might be a Bevan for you but to me he looks an ordinary player who might have some batting potential if groomed properly.

  40. #40 by Mohammed Munir on January 4, 2009 - 4:51 PM

    Khan Sahab …

    Good solid argument, and I guess no one can win a fair argument against win.

    Really, I mean you are so good at this ‘tender’ age. It’s kinda scary what other lawyers will do aginst you in courts 😀

    Good Luck 8)

  41. #41 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 4:52 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Asim plays for Karachi Whites and when he isn’t playing for them he is playing for Customs or PIA. Afridi captains Sindh and Karachi Dolphins/Blues, so I hope that answers your question. In the last 4-day tournament Asim was on Hajj, so he couldn’t play. He is playing for Whites in this current Trophy.

    Yeah Fawad will look like an ordinary player to you ba-kaouz, sarra talent teh sarra ‘ussan punjab mai hai, and punjab da dill lahore hai, ba-kaouz lahore lahore hai…..

  42. #42 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 4:59 PM

    Khansahab

    Shakal se tu woh bohat chikna hey, I am sure must be a source of entertainment for some in the team.

  43. #43 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 5:02 PM

    Khansahab

    The recent Pentagular cup was played on the regional basis Faisal Iqbal and some other players who play for Karach whites were playing for Sind why not Asim Kamal?

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2009 - 7:03 PM

    Guys……… the New Year on LS started with a bang and it seems that wasim wants to tangle and khansahab et Omer wants to wrangle. Btw, wasim the correct expression is “it takes two to tango” ….. the dance. Remember, Bernardo Bertolucci’s famous movie: “The Last Tango in Paris” ? In which khansahab played the leading role with Maria Schneider, its one of the classics.

    I think there is no need to get too hyper in supporting players on regional basis and the provocation becomes too jingoistic and personal and ends with a bad taste in your mouth. So, lets discuss the gentlemanly game like gentlemen.

    Omer has made some very valid points and so has khansahab. When I was reading that comment from wasim that “if Afridi drops Alam its OK and … when Malik drops Alam its jingoism…” I was wondering when did Afridi drop Alam? I don’t recall any such situation that Alam was dropped on the basis of non-performance?

    Secondly, for wasim to say: ” whats the biggy … Out of 58 test matches Younis played only 7 match winning innings.” Well, wasim if you are comparing Younus and Malik then whats the biggy about Malik scoring one test match winning innings in Sri Lanka out of 21 test matches? If you want that in terms of percentages or ratio. Younus’s rate is 12% whereas Malak’s is 4.9% Thats the diff.
    In any case you cannot compare Younus Khan’s batting capabilities with Shoaib Malik. The later is a mediocre in comparison to the former.

    And, khansahab please don’t misquote Imran Nazir by saying its natural. Nazir never said, natural he said: “kudartee baat hai.” 🙂 I saw that interview on Geo, where he was trying to complain and then chewing his words with that ‘kudartee’ reaction.

  45. #45 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 7:10 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Mujhey toh woh bilkul chikna nahi lagta…aap koh lagta hai i think….

    🙂

    i respect everyone’s opinions 🙂

    Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder

    Asim Kamal was on Hajj in that Pentangular Cup. I don’t know why you keep bringing this topic out that Kamal does not play for Karachi or Sindh, because I told you he is not a top performer BUT when he was playing for Pakistan, he was excellent and didn’t deserve to be dropped.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2009 - 7:17 PM

    abdul, you are the one and only and lonely dreamer in your wonderful world who can get wickets even with an orange, so best of luck to you in your future endeavours.

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2009 - 7:22 PM

    Is Sri Lanka shortening the Pakistan tour only to play more in India? I heard that they have asked to reduce the 3 test 5 ODI to 2 test and 3 ODI, because their players will be tired after returning from Bangladesh and then they have been invited by India to play in India. All I can say is Matlab ki hai Duniya Saari…. bichray sab hee Bari bari

  48. #48 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 7:22 PM

    Munir sahab

    Thanks a lot for your encouragement.

    You have been very humble to me and I appreciate it- I think from “apnay” log a comment coming from an older man to a younger man saying “no one can win an argument against you”, that is the first time someone has said this to me.

    Ba-kaouz in our culture people have this weird ego problem and don’t want to admit someone is raising better arguments than them. I am NOT pointing a finger at anyone on this blog by saying this, I used to say this on Pakspin as well and this is my observation from watching my own friends, my dad’s friends, family friends, people on TV etc.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2009 - 7:25 PM

    khansahab

    have you heard this expression: “khudday may gir ker apni taang oonchi rekhna aur kehna, dekho mai nahee gira!! Meri taang ooper hai.” 🙂

  50. #50 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 7:34 PM

    Javed A Khan

    These delays that were coming from the Sri Lankan Board, initially we thought they are because of the removal of Ranatunga and interim system, but the Board was discussing a tour with India all this time.

    And today they released this information that Sri Lanka will tour Pakistan in two phases because they will be playing India. In fact I am very grateful to that person, whether it was Butt, Miandad or Altaf, who suggested speaking to Ranatunga because if they had delayed this decision by a week, I think Sri Lanka would have refused to tour Pakistan citing tour arrangements with India.

    Of course India needs to play cricket too, and towards the end of this month every team is busy except Sri Lanka, so BCCI tried to arrange this series with SLC.

  51. #51 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 7:35 PM

    Javed A Khan

    No I haven’t heard of it and don’t know what it means….

  52. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2009 - 7:55 PM

    khansahab, you haven’t heard of that expression because your Urdu is very “ghareeb” but, read it again and you will understand its meaning. Btw, “Urdu medium Baataamiz” hona bhee ek bari baat hoti hai.

    This is real, not a joke: A Pakistani guy who married a UK ki gori brought his son back to Pakistan and got him admitted in a Urdu medium school so that he learns Urdu. The kid could hardly speak a word of Urdu then, and the poor child was in total confusion and whenever he opened his mouth in his British accent all the kids used to laugh at him, because like others he couldn’t say Bakaoz and couldn’t say, Kate for cat etc. After a few weeks or so someone asked this kid at home, whats the name of your teacher? The kid replied, I never asked him but I kinda figured it out from what other kids call him. OK, so whats his name? The kid replied his name is, “Sir Pippi Aarii”

  53. #53 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 8:11 PM

    Javed A Khan

    LOL that was funny!

    I had to read it 3 times to get it though….LOL

  54. #54 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 9:34 PM

    Javed

    I was not the one who provoked anybody in fact go back and read my previous comments I was advocating that Younis khan should be made the captain of the test team.

    Criticize Malik or any other player they are not my Mamay key putar but why involve the whole race? Thats what offends me and I have no tolerance for that.

    We criticize Akmal fine he deserves it but when we give it a racial touch the whole argument becomes worthless, unless we have a Gilchrist sitting in Karachi who is being overlooked because of Akmal I don’t think any argument relating to racial prejudice will hold any weight.

    BTW Alam was dropped in a few matches by Dolphins I will try to pull out those matches from PCB’s website.

  55. #55 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 9:48 PM

    With Cricket Sri Lanka indulging in a yes-no-yes-no call, there is bound to be confusion at the other end.
    In cricketing parlance, it is a recipe for disaster. That Pakistan happens to be at the receiving end is unfortunate, but that is what it is.
    Once the tour was officially confirmed by Sri Lanka, local fans were looking forward to some quality stuff in the days ahead. Coming against the backdrop of a barren 2008, it was a matter of some relief that Pakistan cricket was to start the New Year on a positive note by playing host to a team of decent stature. The change of heart and mind on a daily basis in Sri Lanka means we are still not quite sure which way the proverbial cookie would crumble.
    But at least we are talking cricket. This gives one some hope to live with after the Indian refusal to come over. It was not without reason that PCB Director-General Javed Miandad publicly expressed gratitude to the Lankans after they agreed to fill in.
    There have been rumours about third-party influence being exerted on the Lankans not to go ahead with the tour. The dismissal of the ad hoc body under former captain Arjuna Ranatunga soon after he had accepted the PCB proposal had set the alarm bells ringing.
    It almost coincided with the initial reaction of the International Cricket Council (ICC) which was quite baffling. While the Lankans did not have an issue with security assurances tabled by Pakistan, it was the ICC that wanted to send its own mission to assess whether or not to appoint match officials for the series. This was an unprecedented move on the part of the world body; unprecedented both in terms of technicality and absurdity. It was good that sanity prevailed within the ICC setup.
    Seeing the two moves together, there was no dearth of people who could locate a ‘foreign hand’ pulling certain strings to isolate Pakistan. Even when the Lankan president cleared the team’s tour of Pakistan, and the foreign minister announced the decision in as many words, there were still reports of the Indian foreign minister doing his best to manoeuvre a turnaround. One wonders if such reports had anything to do with the sudden and rather late realisation by Sri Lanka’s authorities of player fatigue.
    While things off the field are taking time to settle down, it is time for the cricket administration and the players to start concentrating on what they plan to do on the field of play because, by the looks of it, the Lankans will undertake the tour albeit with a changed itinerary.
    The recent difference of opinion between coach Intikhab Alam and chief selector Abdul Qadir – and their inability to sort it out between the two of them – is not a particularly encouraging sign of what we are doing in the name of preparations. Streamlining domestic cricket and making it count has been one of the cornerstones of the new management and overlooking individual performances during the last season would be contradictory to all its pronouncements in this regard. To organise specific pre-selection matches would render a performance on the domestic circuit good enough only for making an appearance in the trial matches; not for a national selection itself.
    With the PCB administration struggling on such a minor and obvious matter, it is anybody’s guess if it is in a position to take some smart policy decisions right now. For instance, it is apparently a good time to have a second thought about the PCB’s earlier decision to ban all players who have signed up for the Indian Cricket League. Will the PCB consider the option? One doubts.
    The logic is quite simple. The players had been banned only – repeat, only – because the PCB did not want to upset its Indian counterparts who had their own IPL to protect. Now, when India has openly and blatantly been working against Pakistani interests – refusing to tour, doing whatever it could to influence the Lankans not to tour, and there being hardly a chance of Pakistanis making an appearance in the next edition of the Indian Premier League – there is a good enough reason to reconsider our stance towards players contracted with the ICL.
    The appearance of former captain Moin Khan, who is a key ICL official, as coach of the PIA side taking part in the domestic Quaid-i-Azam Trophy, did cause ripples in the local media, but it was no infringement of the PCB policy which has zero tolerance towards players without saying anything about officials. It is time the PCB did away with this false dichotomy and allowed the players to vie for a place in the national squad on merit. The PCB has a logical case to decide what is in the best national interest, but thus far it has shown little inclination to make a move.
    On getting elevated to his current post, Miandad did query the rationale behind the policy, but has since preferred to keep mum. With as many as 19 players – some of them far better than the ones who have filled in for them – contracted to the ICL, it is time to speak out. Better still, it is time to do something.
    The inclusion of senior players and the subsequent strength of the squad will make for an appetising encounter against Sri Lanka that will also pull in the crowds. With big time cricket expected to make a return to the country, it will be good to field a full-strength side. The Lankans – if they do keep their word – will surely be doing us a favour, as has been rightly admitted by Miandad himself. There is no harm in doing a favour to ourselves by offering them a worthwhile opposition

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2009 - 10:14 PM

    wasim # 64

    my comment was for everyone and not particularly for you.

    As regards Lankans doing us a favour. I think what Pakistan needs to do now is keep their domestic cricket standards high and play more competitive domestic cricket and whenever they have to go out and play on foreign soil, i.e., other than neutral venues, they should have such a good side that they beat them on their soil. That will prompt them to come and play in Pakistan. I am saying this about other countries sans India. Because, neither India will come to Pakistan, nor Pakistan will go to India and they should also NOT play against India on any neutral ground except for World Cups and that too outside India Pakistan.

  57. #57 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 10:23 PM

    Check this guy out:

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43279.html

    Tahir Khan, he is younger than Saeed Ajmal and his bowling stats are similar to Ajmal’s.

    But he is a much better batsman than Ajmal; he averages 28 in first class cricket.

    I think Pakistan should use him in Tests.

  58. #58 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 10:27 PM

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/42430.html

    Wow, Rizwan Ahmed. Surely Pakistan can utilise him?

    He is a legspinner who has an average of 36 in First Class and List A cricket.

    He also averages 45 in T20 cricket.

    His bowling stats are not as good as Kaneria’s or Mansoor Amjad’s, but with that kind of batting record, he should have been used by Pakistan, at least in T20 if not any other format.

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 4, 2009 - 10:33 PM

    khansahab

    remember I wrote about Rizwan a few times when he was playing for Baluchistan that he has scored a couple of big hundreds and he plays some real big shots (not slogging) last year and in 2006 he was one of the top scorers. I saw him playing and his technique is very good. I think he should be given a chance but, its very unlikely that he will get a chance owing to so many sifarishis.

  60. #60 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 10:47 PM

    Another player who has been ignored for too long:

    Yasir Arafat

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43654.html

    He has better bowling stats than Razzaq. Just look at his first class strike rate- 42, he is a wicket taking bowler.

  61. #61 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 10:53 PM

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/42684.html

    Sarfraz Ahmed, the fast bowler who plays for Sialkot:

    He is 30 so now probably too old for selection, but he has taken 368 first class wickets in 100 matches.

    Samiullah Khan

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43235.html

    212 wickets from only 48 matches at a wicket per 41 balls in first class cricket.

  62. #62 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 11:05 PM

    I saw Younis Khan’s interview and he said some interesting things. He elaborated on why he doesn’t want to be captain of the team.

    He said that he doesn’t want too many people asking him questions and entrusting him with the team’s performances. In short, he does not want too much responsibility.

    He also highlighted one incident which made him feel that captaincy is not for him. In 2005 in India, Younis was captaining one match against India because Inzamam was dehydrated. In that match Arshad Khan who is from Peshawar, was playing. Younis asked Arshad to bowl his quota of 10 overs.

    When he returned to Pakistan, someone asked him, “Younis Bhai, Arshad ko aapnay 10 over kyun bowl kerwaye? Aap log Pathan Pathan khel rahay they kya”?

    Younis said this upset him because he was captaining the side with sincerity and not with any bias or favouritism.

  63. #63 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 11:34 PM

    Javed

    The cat is out of the bag, initially BCCI was saying it’s their government which is not allowing them to tour to Pakistan we have no problem, now first they tried to influence Srilanka to cancel the series and now they are trying their best to disrupt it by inviting them for an Odi series.

    Government of Pakistan should ban travel to India by Pakistani players, ICL will be doomed for sure and Ipl will also get a shock.

  64. #64 by khansahab on January 4, 2009 - 11:38 PM

    By the way

    NWFP has a lot of talent and these players lack sifaarish, but this Arshad Khan was one useless bowler.

    He got only 56 wickets in 58 matches.

  65. #65 by Wasim on January 4, 2009 - 11:47 PM

    Khansahab

    Rizwan is good, he is an agressive batsman and probably the best fiellder in the country, I mentioned him along with some other names in one of my previous post.

    Sami Ullah got a few chances but failed and his domestic performance against good teams is ordinary, Sarfraz Ahmed he is good but there are players like Sohail Khan and Aamir who are in line and are much better bowlers than him.

    Yasir Arafat again hasn’t been able to perform in domestic cricket in the last season and this year is also not going great for him.

    I haven’t watched Tahir Khan play so won’t comment on him.

  66. #66 by Wasim on January 5, 2009 - 3:41 AM

    Omer

    I think I was the first one on this blog to propose Younis as the test captain and approved Qadir’s idea of having separate captains for tests and the shorter version, I also opposed Malik’s long term appointment.

    My disagreement with you started on two points, first your criticism was in racial tone. I am not the only one who noticed it AWAS also didn’t liked it.

    Secondly I agree Malik is not a better player than Younis but I do not agree with you that he is not good enough to play test matches, the averages you quoted are based on only one test per country that’s not very indicative of a players capabilities, he is averaging against SA in 40’s both away and at home.

    The ODI series against SA and India who were the main culprits in those series, I would ask you to go in archives and check.

    The T20 WC both matches against India which we lost you will find again the same culprit. How ironical is it that a player keeps on scoring when it doesn’t matter and when it matters the most he will throw away his wicket in the most bone headed manner and the team will lose an easy match.

    If Malik had won those series we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    His performance as a captain has not been bad he is getting better he has improved his own game,most of his successes have come against minnows everybody knows that but his performance against the good teams % wise is not bad, he is not picking and choosing the series he is playing, I think SL series will be the litmus test for him and the team, until then we all should be patient.

    I agree with you that Qadir and Miandad are not the kind of guys who will see him not performing and will not do any thing.

    Thirdly I am sick and tired of these conspiracy theories, the whole world knows Yousaf’s decision was based upon greed.

    Our positive and healthy criticism also loses its weight when we resort to conspiracy theories and make things racial.

    Last three years have been very damaging for Pakistan cricket, we never played or full strength team in any series for one reason or another. I think we should field our best combination and we should not chose to be underdogs, we can win against SL.

  67. #67 by Mohammed Munir on January 5, 2009 - 8:46 AM

    Khan Sahab & Javed Khan …

    About that “Khudday” Wali example, I have some Mumbai colleagues and they say that even in India it is always said that, “Mian Bhai Giray Naheen, Phaanday Hain”. Which means that most of us Muslims will say “We did not fall, but we jumped”. This is due to tall ego in most of us 😦

  68. #68 by khansahab on January 5, 2009 - 11:56 AM

    Central Contracts to have three categories

    Monday, January 05, 2009
    From Abdul Mohi Shah

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) will offer only three categories in the Central Contract to top 24 players for the next year and the initial proposal of introducing cuts on individual performance is unlikely to get materialized.

    “We have received recommendations and the final draft is very much with the PCB headquarters,” a source in the PCB told ‘The News’.

    Against the previous practice, where there were five categories, only three categories will be on offer to top players. “List of players’ names have been submitted to the board by coach Intikhab Alam and after consulting chief selector Abdul Qadir, the final list would be announced shortly,” said the source.

    The chief selector has been given the option to add any player if he thinks he is capable of delivering.

    All those players who have played a set number of Test and one-day internationals have been placed in ‘A’ category. The non performers in recent time like Shahid Afridi and Danish Kaneria have also been placed in the ‘A’ category more due to their old affiliations rather than recent form and fitness.

    Controversial fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar has also been placed in the ‘A’ category and depending on the recommendations of the chairman Ijaz Butt, he would also get the ‘A’ category contract. Shoaib owes Rs. 7 million to the PCB as fine on breaching the contract. The Board has yet to decide, whether to waive off the fine and withdraw the court case against him.

    “He is expected to be awarded a contract and will be placed in the ‘A’ category rather than the ‘D’ he was in last year,” the official said.

    Players like captain Shoaib Malik, Misbahul Haq, Younis Khan, Shoaib Akhtar, Kamran Akmal, Kaneria and Afridi will be placed in the ‘A’ category.

    Some special concessions have been made in case of Sohail Tanvir who, considering his talent and good performance in the recent past, has been give B category. Others falling in the category also include Umer Gul and Salman Butt. Despite some good performance with the bat, Salman however has failed to earn a place in ‘A’ category. Most of the new comers and young talent with the likes of Saeed Ajmal have been placed in category ‘C’.

  69. #69 by khansahab on January 5, 2009 - 12:07 PM

    Cricket Australia have assured the PCB they will tour on two occasions this year. I don’t know why they are having a sudden change of heart?

    Because the security situation in Pakistan has not changed. Maybe the Australians feel that their team is weakening now and since for the first half of the year, all top teams are very busy (except Pakistan and Bangladesh), they might tour Pakistan?

    Of course, I am not saying they have made definite plans because I am sure they will some some kind of security delegation to inspect grounds and conditions, and they will also monitor the internal situation in Pakistan very closely before making a commitment.

    But anyhow it was good news.

    The first tour will be in April this year and will include 5 ODI’s and 1 T20 match. In my opinion after playing Sri Lanka in late February, Pakistan should arrange an ODI series with Bangladesh if possible in March. This will ensure they have some match practice going forward towards April when they play Australia.

    This series is definitely going ahead, at a neutral venue if not in Pakistan because PCB has already inspected the Kuala Lampur cricket facilities, so if Australia have a problem touring Pakistan the series will be held in Malaysia.

  70. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 5, 2009 - 1:59 PM

    Munir #84

    My comment on Khudday may girna is not pointing towards Mumbai incident or Mian Bhai’s but something else. Its neither towards you so, you better save this for some other time. 🙂

  71. #71 by abdul on January 5, 2009 - 4:59 PM

    Looks like Paksitan has more cricket to look forward to this year. Shorly the Australia visit is a definant one way or the other.

    Pakistan should practice and experiment there strategies against Bangladesh and should be confident of defeating Australia following there slump of late.

    Meanwhile for some odd reason Kaneria is expecting a one day return. Yes Pakistan should opt for a specialist spinner but there are other options on the card such as Mansoor Amjad or even Yasir Shah and Kaneria’s recent performance in limited overs competetion was nothing to write home about.

  72. #72 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 12:14 AM

    Pakistan cricket board cannot take decision on ICL players: Ijaz Butt

    Karachi : Under pressure from Indian Cricket League (ICL) players to revoke their ban, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Monday said their fate is in the hands of the International Cricket Council (ICC).

    Butt, a former Pakistan Test opener, told reporters in Islamabad that the PCB cannot lift the ban on the country’s ICL rebels unless the ICC sanctions the unofficial league, owned by India’s media tycoon Subhash Chandra.

    Pakistan has banned 20 of its leading cricketers including former skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq, openers Imran Farhat, Imran Nazir, pacers Mohammad Sami, Rana Naved-ul-Hassan and all-rounder Azhar Mahmood and Mohammad Yousuf for their association with ICL.

    The players have been demanding the right to play for the national team as well as in domestic first-class competitions but so far the PCB has been rigid in its approach towards them.

    In a recent interview, former Pakistan all-rounder Abdul Razzaq alleged that the PCB is maintaining a ban on the ICL players just to please the ‘powerful Indian cricket board (BCCI)’.

    PCB Director General, Javed Miandad, a former Pakistan captain, admitted there is a lot of pressure on the PCB to lift the ban.

    However, ICL players’ future is in doubt because of the strained relations between Pakistan and India over November’s terror attack in Mumbai. The two countries have suspended bilateral sporting ties and now the ICL organisers are looking at various options to replace the Pakistani cricketers, who were playing in the league under the banner of Lahore Badshahs.

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2009 - 12:42 AM

    khansahab with ref. to the news item you have posted “Pakistan cricket board cannot take decision on ICL players: Ijaz Butt.”

    What a claptrap sort of rules they have? And, why can’t Pakistan decide on banning their players from playing the ICL and IPL? And why can’t they lift the ban and allow their own countrymen to play for the country? I mean who the hell is ICC to dictate Pakistan on this subject? And to hell with that Subash Chandra Boss**** If India can decide on their own not to tour Pakistan and they can invite England to play in India and continue the tour, where were the ICC vultures then?

    This kinda spineless attitude from the Pakistani officials really pisses me off. Vaisay tou baray Chaudhary bantay hain laikin Daal Daliyeh kay aagay buss nahee chalta! What a load of cow dung! If Ijaz Butt cannot do this, he better resign because he has done nothing so far. Too much talk and he keeps gyrating his ugly Butt in which no one is interested.

  74. #74 by Wasim on January 6, 2009 - 8:53 AM

    Omer

    This is what you wrote.

    //”The problem is that Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal, and <bthe like are the favorite sons of Punjab (I am sorry but to be fair ethnocentricism is a part of cricket in Pakistan).

    Mohd Yousof didn’t look like the typical Punjabi as Rana did, he wasn’t jumping around in the field, and the like.

    While clarifying your earlier statement you wrote:

    I didn’t mean ethnocentricism is systematic in PCB, what I mean is that there is this notion among individuals that one is the “son (putr) of Punjab” who drinks “X and Y” illo of milk.

    The fact is that players from other ethnicities have always found it more difficult to gel in the team, and you have only to look into Malik to see how he promotes his Sialkoti brethren.

    I am not saying among players this is something conscious, but if the team is holding meetings in Punjabi and not the national language people from other places who don’t speak Punjabi are already isolated.//

    Now if you don’t realize that you are generally stereo typing Punjabi players in your statements and your tone is racial then I feel sorry for you.

    You think typical Punjabis jump in the air for no reason and Mohammad Yousaf doesn’t look like a Punjabi because a Punjabi cannot be mellow.

    The problem is with you and your narrow way of thinking you fail to understand that Pakistan team includes players from diverse cultural and ethnic back grounds and it is natural for players from a particular region to be friends with each other, wasn’t Miandad and Asif the best of friends, wasn’t Basit and Latif the best of friends, and don’t you see Umar and Younis are close friends and often talk to each other in Pushto,
    What is so abnormal if the Punjabi players speak in Punjabi and bond with each other.

    Flip your comment about ethnocentricism the other way around, what you really want is that Punjabi players should stop using their own language while talking to each other(which Btw is comprehendable by everbody) and should just talk in Urdu and they should also not bond with each other isn’t that ethnocentrism the other way around. So you really want to reverse the direction of this ethnocentricism.

    Its a silly argument and has nothing to do with cricket.
    Especially when we all know that Malik has no role in selection like Inzamam.

    Coming back to Rana he benefitted the most because of the ban on Asif and Shoaib and Gul’s back injury.

    His performances were mixed he won us a test in India and had many other decent performances but also was miserable in many other matches but I don’t think that Inzamam ignored a Mcgrath for him sitting elsewhere, other than Sami there was nobody worth mentioning on the bench.

    We all know when it came to getting thrashed Sami was the leader amongst Pakistani bowlers.

    Your comments @ 83 and 84.

    I thought you were discussing test averages.

    It was not 30-40 matches, 5 odi matches in NZ and 8 in England.

    He hasn’t played any test against NZ but has played three tests against England. He has an average of 22 in that series.
    Ist match 39 & 18, Yk scores 39 & 48. 2nd match Malik scores 27 & 26, YK scores 7 & 27.Also took 4 wickets.

    What is the difference?

    If there is so much talent elsewhere and grave injustice is being done to that talent by Malik and the like then why does Stallions win every year in domestic tournaments? Is it because lassi is unaffordable everywhere else:))

    The problem whether you accept it or not we expect too much from these players and when they disappoint us we start finding faults and it is but natural to point finger at others.

  75. #75 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 11:49 AM

    Wasim sahab

    “Punjabi players should stop using their own language while talking to each other(which Btw is comprehendable by everbody)”

    It is not comprehensible to everyone, because I have grown up with Punjabis and I still don’t understand most of it. I think the problem might be that Punjabi people think others can understand it, but they can’t.

    Pakistani culture is infused with Punjabi songs, Punjabi music, bhangra, Punjabi customs etc, and although that helps for a non Punjabi to understand the culture of Punjab and understand some words and phrases of Punjabi, it can’t help to understand an entire language.

    Also some people can’t pick up languages quickly. I am very poor at picking up languages, I was very poor at French in school. I think if I was better, I would have understood most of Punjabi.

    If you came from a society where 60% of people had a different culture and language to you, and you socialised with them, played with them, grew up with them but couldn’t understand their language, you would automatically feel isolated and left out. You won’t be able to understand jokes and laugh with them, you won’t be able to share the same emotions etc. It is difficult for you to understand this, because you can speak both Punjabi and Urdu, like most Punjabis.

    The problem of Malik and Akmal is not the same of Rashid Latif and Basit Ali. Basit and Rashid were in a minority and they were almost forced to befriend each other and stay with each other because there was no one else who could speak Urdu. Same goes for Afridi, Gul and Younis.

    That is why I say that Punjabis need to be more sensitive because they are in the majority. For the sake of the country they should speak in a language everyone can understand. If they are around with other Punjabis and there is no non-Punjabi around, then they can speak whatever they want but when they are with people who can’t understand their language, they should feel more sensitive.

  76. #76 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 12:05 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Look what you are saying,

    “should just talk in Urdu and they should also not bond with each other isn’t that ethnocentrism the other way around. So you really want to reverse the direction of this ethnocentricism”

    Urdu is the NATIONAL language whereas Punjabi is the PROVINCIAL language, so if someone speaks in Urdu there will be two reasons only:

    1) He can only speak Urdu because he is Urdu Speaking
    2) He is sensitive to the fact that others around him can’t understand his mother tongue

    Don’t you realise this whole problem is because of majority vs minority. In the Karachi or Sindh team, Afridi, Sohail Khan and Anwar Ali don’t speak Pashtu, they speak Urdu.

    You can’t put Urdu and Punjabi on the same pedestal, because one is a national language and the other is a provincial language.

  77. #77 by Awas on January 6, 2009 - 2:16 PM

    I agree with khansahab, Urdu as a national language should be spoken when there are people around from all over the country, whether it’s our cricket team or a political gathering. I don’t think there should be any excuses for that as anyone with even a very basic education can speak Urdu. However, whether Younus and Gul have a private joke in Pushto or Malik and Akmal in Punjabi then it’s neither here nor there.

    So, guys, interesting discussion but its heading nowhere other than ‘you said this and he said that’. I can’t speak for the team players other than to say that they all must have at least basic education as in the media they do speak in Urdu. However, I can speak for my personal experience and that is that amongst our families, relatives and friends we all converse in Urdu mostly. Even one Punjabi guy that I have at work, who is quite a paindoo by the way, we still converse in Urdu when not talking in English. So, I don’t believe or at least hope that the problem is so chronicle. Ones life experiences and actual observations are what really matters in discussions such as these. What might or might not happen in gatherings is mere speculation.

  78. #78 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 2:19 PM

    Omer

    Akmal dropped at least 3 catches in that last ODI series Pakistan played. 2 of those were off Afridi, who was already under a lot of pressure to perform.

    Even now he is considered the best keeper in Pakistan whereas I have seen other keepers who have better technique than him. Sarfraz Ahmed averages 45 in first class cricket and he is making scores of 40+ in almost every match. He is batting like a proper batsman unlike Akmal who scores runs by fluke.

    I was watching Ramiz’s Lounge the other day, it’s a programme where Ramiz Raja invites his friends to discuss cricket. His friend called “Sethi saab” was defending Akmal and saying, “Akmal ko kyun drop kiya tha, Akmal key saath naainsaafi hui hai jee, yeh bilkul theek khel raha tha….”

    I don’t know what world that weirdo must be living in, because Akmal was dropping catches right left and centre and every non-Pakistani commentator was wondering, “Why are they not playing the 2nd keeper Sarfraz who is sitting on the bench?”

    Akmal is a huge pillar of support for Malik, without Akmal, Malik would have had it more difficult to survive the competition from Afridi and Yousuf.

    Look at how Akmal ruined the careers of players. He dropped catches of everyone including Razzaq and Rana. Sami was returning to form and bowling very well, but Akmal dropped 4-5 catches off his bowling very quickly and Sami joined ICL. Akmal also drops many catches off Kaneria.

    In 1 or 2 years Akmal will be a candidate for future captaincy, he has already started captaining domestic sides.

  79. #79 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 2:34 PM

    KARACHI, Jan 6 (Reuters) – Pakistan awarded new central contracts to 26 players on Tuesday.

    Saleem Altaf, chief operating officer of the Pakistan Cricket Board, told a news conference in Lahore that all the players had been recommended for the annual contracts by the national selection committee.
    “They have been picked on the basis of seniority and performances in the last 12 months,” said Altaf while also confirming Shoaib Malik had been retained as captain.
    “But if the selectors believe some other player is performing and deserves to be on the contracted list he can also be included.”
    The board named uncapped batsmen Umar Amin and Azhar Ali on the list of contracted players as a reward for good performances in domestic cricket.
    In the past, central contracts were only awarded to players who had been capped by Pakistan.
    Altaf also said test match fees had risen to 350,000 rupees ($4,400). That money is paid in addition to the players’ monthly salaries.

    List of centrally contracted players:
    Category A (250,000 rupees per month) – Shoaib Malik, Misbah-ul-Haq, Younis Khan, Danish Kaneria, Salman Butt, Kamran Akmal, Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul, Shahid Afridi

    Category B (175,000 rupees) – Yasir Hameed, Mohammad Hafeez, Sohail Tanvir, Faisal Iqbal

    Category C (100,000) – Yasir Arafat, Abdul Rehman, Fawad Alam, Rao Iftikhar, Sohail Khan, Nasir Jamshed, Sarfraz Ahmed, Khurrum Manzoor, Saeed Ajmal, Wahab Riaz, Umar Amin, Samiullah Niazi, Azhar Ali.

  80. #80 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 2:39 PM

    Looking at the new central contracts system makes me laugh. It shows the corruption, nepotism and regionalism of the PCB that has destroyed Pakistan cricket.

    Butt and Akmal in A category? One can’t play the moving ball and the other can’t hold onto his catches. Incidentally both are very good friends of Malik. What exactly has Salman Butt done apart from scoring against India and minnows?

    Faisal Iqbal in B Category? He doesn’t even deserve to be playing domestic cricket in Pakistan. He should have signed for ICL.

    Umar Amin got a central contract? LOL, Umar is a 19 year old guy from Pindi who has only played 9 first class matches! You give a contract to this guy? There are hundreds of players better than him and more experienced than him who deserve that contract more.

    The only entry there I am pleased to see is Azhar Ali because he really deserved it for a long string of consistent performances.

    Faisal Iqbal, Mohd Hafeez and Abdur Rehman don’t deserve any contract. Mohammad Hafeez? He is talented no doubt but to give him a contract, when people have forgotten him?

    Abdur Rehman is neither very economical nor is he a wicket-taker. He is just Malik’s best friend, Malik himself said it in an interview that Rehman is his best buddy.

  81. #81 by Awas on January 6, 2009 - 2:44 PM

    God save Pakistan if Akmal becomes a captain, he will drop matches let alone catches 🙂

    So, khansahab lets not start thinking about his candidacy that far ahead. I wonder why he returned after he was dropped. We were all hoping his ousting would be for good.

  82. #82 by theossa on January 6, 2009 - 4:03 PM

    I know awarding an ‘A’ contract is also based on seniority but looking at the names in the contract don’t you guys think Sohaill Tanvir deserve an ‘A’ contract? Did he get punished for his cocky attitude? He is not tested in Test cricket but I think he is a good T20 and ODI bowler and deserve an A contract.

    I don’t even want to comment on Akmal because I’m at loss of words to condemn his one after the other lame performances and still holding his job. You won’t see that in a performance based sport governing body but PCB.

  83. #83 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 4:07 PM

    Theossa

    I know what you mean, because Misbah got an A contract after being in the team for only 1 year.

    I think Tanvir is still in B category because of both reasons, lack of seniority and not being recognised as a Test bowler.

    Having said that I am sure after 6 months of good performance he will be promoted to A category. Plus he is someone whom people have already started saying can become a future captain for Pakistan.

  84. #84 by Awas on January 6, 2009 - 4:17 PM

    khansahab

    I hope you are not joking. First butter fingered Akmal and now bad mouthing Tanvir 🙂

    Who are these guys looking into the future like this? I bet they don’t have the benefit of my crystal gazing which tells me that Younus will change his mind soon.

    What do you say Theo?

  85. #85 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 4:26 PM

    Shoaib Malik ready to take Pakistan to top

    Tuesday, 06 Jan, 2009

    LAHORE: Pakistan all-rounder Shoaib Malik says he is ready to take the national team to the top of the world cricket rankings, after being renewed as captain for an indefinite period.
    The Pakistan Cricket Board opted to keep the 26-year-old Malik on as captain for the foreseeable future, with PCB chairman Ijaz Butt telling AFP there was ‘no reason to replace him’ when his tenure expired on December 31.
    Malik said the move had motivated him to take Pakistan to new heights.
    ‘Ever since I took over the team, my aim has been for us to fight and play as a unit, so that remains the prime target, and I aim to take Pakistan to the top place in the world,’ Malik told AFP on Tuesday.
    ‘I am thankful to the PCB, the PCB chairman for showing faith and confidence in me. I will always try my level best to keep the team on the winning track.’
    Malik was appointed captain after Pakistan’s humiliating first-round exit from the World Cup held in the West Indies in 2007.
    Since then, he has led Pakistan in only three Tests, losing two and drawing one. Pakistan did not play a single Test in 2008 after Australia postponed their tour over security fears.
    Malik has led Pakistan in 33 one-day internationals, winning 23 and losing 10.
    He led Pakistan to a 3-0 win over the West Indies in their neutral venue series in Abu Dhabi in November last year – a victory that helped convince the sport’s governors to extend his captaincy.
    Malik’s next assignment will be a home series with Sri Lanka who agreed to tour Pakistan after India pulled out of a planned trip in January-February this year.

  86. #86 by khansahab on January 6, 2009 - 4:27 PM

    LOL

    The heading of this article in comment no 103 should have been,

    “Malik ready to take Pakistan to the top of losers’ list”.

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2009 - 4:45 PM

    Khansahab its a matter of perception. The way Malik looks at the top is called Butt Vision. 🙂

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 6, 2009 - 4:58 PM

    Talking about Kamran Akmal, you guys have already written a lot about his keeping and his safe keeping of Malak saabs balls and dropping everyone else is a proof that he uses Velvet Gloves for Malik.

    All wicketkeepers shout, scream and screech but, Akmal’s screaming and screeching is like an ear sore. Especially the way he prompts the fielders when they are approaching towards the spinning ball (on a cut shot) by saying “Ghoomay Gee Ghoomay Gee”. The poor fielder doesn’t know which way Ghoomay Gee? Eeesoob Bhai, Eeesoob Bhai for Mohammad Yousuf and Shaid Bhai, Shaid Bhai for Shahid Afridi and then after dropping a catch he would say “Koi nai koi nai…” and showing off his buckteeth after that.

    Dhoni‘s Ayeeeeeee and Catch it.
    Mushrifur Rahim‘s constant blabbing and also saying “Aiko” Aiko for one run only …
    Ramdin‘s big mouthing
    The Australians, the South African and the English wicketkeepers are also the same.

    The only wicketkeeper who looks and behaves gracefully is Sangakara.

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 7, 2009 - 5:09 AM

    Is any on “POPEYEZED” on Malak’s reappointment as the captain of Pakastan team, for an indefinite period?

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/385561.html

    I am “naat.”

  90. #90 by Wasim on January 7, 2009 - 6:40 AM

    Another way of looking at the indefinite appointment of Malik is that PCB can remove him whenever they want there is no long term
    commitment like DNA made with him.

    I am on Vacation and wasn’t able to stay in touch with the news, this central contract has been a complete shocker for me.

    Kamran Akmal,Danish Kineria and Shoaib Akhter didn’t deserved to be in the Category A.

    Tanvir deserved to be in category A.
    Finally Miandad did what was anticipated of him, in a clear case of favoritism he put his nephew in Category B what a shame the guy didn’t deserved a contract in any category.

    Yasir Hamid and Hafeez also didn’t deserved category B.

    All the players in category C deserved a contract in fact some of them should have been in a higher category.

    The biggest shocker for me was despite some brilliant performances no contract was awarded to Mohammad Aamir, Saeed Bin Nasir, Abdul Rauf, Kamran Hussain, Rizwan Ahmed, Anwar Ali,Talha and Mansoor Amjad.

    All of these guys were the most consistent performers on the domestic circuit and PCB management by not giving them contracts may have discouraged hard work.

  91. #91 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 12:27 PM

    Wasim sahab

    I agree with you about Miandad and I think he should resign or be sacked.

    He wanted to overturn the ICL bans but Ijaz Butt confirmed PCB can’t do it.

    He wants to renovate National Stadium whereas other stadiums need work.

    Today it came in the news that Miandad has said flat pitches will be prepared for domestic cricket because internationally cricket is becoming a batsman’s game so Pakistan needs to produce batting friendly wickets.

    What Miandad has not realised is that Pakistani batsmen are amongst the poorest players of pace bowling in the world.

    Faisal Iqbal has clearly benefited from nepotism and it is shocking how far sifaarish can take you in Pakistan.

  92. #92 by Awas on January 7, 2009 - 1:47 PM

    khansahab

    I wouldn’t go as far as calling for Miandad’s ouster.

    I am not justifying it but his nepotism is not much different to many of the others. So, nothing new here but then again perhaps he sees something in Faisal Iqbal that mere mortals like us can’t right now.

    The best thing is to criticise such acts with good journalism. Pen is mightier than sword, so let’s not chop him.

    I disagree with you on National Stadium. If he wants to make it like Lords then it’s a worthy cause. Why shouldn’t top cities have the best stadiums be it London or Karachi? This should be a separate goal to improving the other stadiums all over the country.

    I totally agree with you on doing away with flat pitches. I feel strongly about it too. As I have said before, I much rather see a bowler ripping through a side by good fast bowling or an Abdul like wizard bamboozling the batsmen than someone scoring a triple century on pancake of a surface.

  93. #93 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 7, 2009 - 2:08 PM

    wasim

    Thats another way of saying “the glass is half full.” But, we all know in Pakistan what indefinitely means? No one wants to go, unless he is kicked out by the masses, aatay apni marzi say hain aur jaatay awaam ki marzi say!

    And, yes Miandad has shown that Chachay Mamay di support kay beghair kaam nai chalda. Faisal Iqabal should not have been awarded central contracts neither Shoaib Akhtar because that Bull can hardly bowl 3 overs in a row. In the last T20 he played he gave away 43 runs in 3 overs.

  94. #94 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 2:22 PM

    Javed A Khan

    It’s strange how Nasim Ashraf wanted to show Akhtar that no one is bigger than the game but Ijaz Butt wants to idolise him.

    Giving someone a central contract who has done so much damage to the nation; he can’t even check his weight because he is still overweight.

    It is still too early to give a verdict on Butt, but as far as finesse and refinement goes, DNA was a gentleman and a humble and learned person. Whereas Butt is known to be a loud, arrogant, unrefined and uncultivated person. His handling of Lawson’s sacking is evidence of his nature.

    You can get cricketers to manage cricket boards, but it is education and noble upbringing that teaches you humility and refinement, not playing cricket. And DNA DID PLAY first class cricket in Pakistan (for Peshawar).

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 7, 2009 - 2:31 PM

    khansahab on DNA and Butt.

    “exactement” d’ accord.
    I am agree avec vous.

  96. #96 by Wasim on January 7, 2009 - 3:11 PM

    Khansahab

    As regards your earlier comment about renovating stadiums just want to let you know that most of the stadiums are not owned by PCB and in 2006 the auditors of PCB objected as to why they are doing major repairs and renovations on a property which is not owned by them, I think that probably is the reason behind their focusing on National stadium and Gaddafi Stadium.

  97. #97 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 3:15 PM

    Wasim sahab

    It’s a very bad set up because if they’re not owned by PCB they must be owned by the regional associations.

    So why are the regional associations not getting the funds to develop stadiums?
    Or if they are getting the money where is it disappearing?

    PCB owns the Pindi stadium I think because they had a target to renovate it by December which they failed to do so. So something is definitely not right.

  98. #98 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 3:36 PM

    It’s a very difficult decision because on the one hand Pakistan needs to be shown as an attractive proposition for foreign teams, and on the other hand Pakistan barely has 4 Test standard grounds.

    So does one work on existing Test standard grounds to make them appear as “world class facilities” to foreign teams or does one develop more grounds in the country?

    There was a time when Pakistan was at par with India as far as ground conditions were concerned and it’s a fact that ground conditions in Quetta, Peshawar and smaller cities have worsened over time.

    Another factor is that in the past 10-15 years or so the standard of facilities has improved globally as globalisation has taken over. Pakistan unfortunately has not been able to catch up on sports facilities.

  99. #99 by abdul on January 7, 2009 - 4:50 PM

    I agree with the A ratings but the B and C ratings are just average names mentioned. I’m sure if ICL bans had been lifted Imran Nazir would have been atleast a “B” canidate.

  100. #100 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 4:55 PM

    Abdul

    Yes, Nazir would definitely have been a B candidate at least if not an A candidate.

    Unfortunately ICL bans are NEVER going to be lifted.

    The only 3 players Pakistan could have benefited from would be Rana, Imran Nazir and Hasan Raza.

  101. #101 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 5:15 PM

    Latif slams PCB on central contracts

    Wednesday, 07 Jan, 2009

    ISLAMABAD:Former test captain and wicketkeeper Rashid Latif has questioned the lack of disclosure in the Pakistan Cricket Board’s decision making on which players received central contracts on Wednesday.

    The PCB awarded contracts to 26 players in A, B and C categories, determining how much they are paid, including the elevation of paceman Shoaib Akhtar from last year’s category D to A.

    ‘If there’s any criteria, it should be made public,’ Latif told the AP .

    ‘The PCB is the property of Pakistani public but in awarding these contracts the cricket board has not defined the criteria of selection so that a common man could understand the selection procedure.’

    Three players,Yasir Hameed, Faisal Iqbal and Mohammad Hafeez, that did not play a one-day international for Pakistan last year were given category B contracts, which receive a monthly retainer of 175,000 rupees ($2,225).

    Category A players get 250,000 rupees ($3,500) per month and category C players receive 100,000 rupees ($1,700).

    The PCB said chief selector Abdul Qadir, coach Intikhab Alam and manager Yawar Saeed selected the contracted players and the main criteria was seniority.

    ‘Justice was denied in awarding these contracts,’ Latif said.

    ‘The PCB is not the property of ex-test cricketers and the public should know how the contract of players were devised.’

    Local media also criticized the decision making.

    ‘The board has not mentioned why they ignored players like batsmen Saeed Anwar Jr., Khalid Latif, Bazid Khan and Asim Kamal,’ an urdu language newspaper said.

  102. #102 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 7:45 PM

    Miandad barred from talking on main PCB matters

    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is being criticized for ignoring many talented players while announcing the central contracts.

    Meanwhile, chairman PCB Ijaz Butt has stopped many officials to issue unnecessary statements.

    Merit of some of the 26 players, awarded the central contract, is being questioned and the PCB is also facing severe criticism for ignoring some talented players.

    For not including right-arm fast bowler Abdul Rauf, emerging fast bowlers Mohammad Talha and Anwar Ali, coach Intikhab Alam said that these bowlers are talented but he is silent on not giving them the central contract.

    On the other hand, chairman PCB Ijaz Butt has stopped director-general Javed Miandad for issuing statements on important matters, according to the PCB sources.

    Meanwhile, former cricketers posted on many key positions in the board are considering to resign keeping in view the tension found in the Pakistan Cricket Board.

  103. #103 by abdul on January 7, 2009 - 8:08 PM

    Khanshab,even though u posted a so called rumour about them being lifted. Please access the reliability next time.

    Anway begin news in the media arrived today about KP’S resignation from captiancy and Peter Moores Sacking.All this coming along so quickly is a crisis for the ECB at the start of the new year. Shane Warne is an option and would be my first choice as coach whereas Owais Shah could be a good captain in one dayers.

  104. #104 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 8:19 PM

    Abul

    I understand what you are trying to say, thanks for the heads-up and stamping your authority in the most comprehensible manner asking me to access reliability next time. I just hope the access isn’t denied when I try to do that.
    Unfortunately that rumour was going around and Miandad and others opined the bans might be lifted. I think you are agree with me that we all thought the ban was going to be lifted?

    Yes, Warne is a good choice for the coach of English cricket team and Mushtaq Maulvi is probably the best coach for Pakistan, should Intikhab Alam resign. Incidentally even Inthikab was a legspinner, so PCB might think a legspinning coach can train people like Kaneria to become future legspinning captains for Pakastan.

  105. #105 by Jay on January 7, 2009 - 9:34 PM

    Khanshab

    even tho u tried 2 bully abdul he has held his own and i am glad he gave u a fitting response in comment #121. he speaks sense there and he is telling u how journalism should be done.

    u must have felt embarrassed and insulted and i am glad abdul acted in this way. dont let this guy bully u, abdul.

    see khanshab wat u give is wat u get?

  106. #106 by khansahab on January 7, 2009 - 9:35 PM

    Jay

    Are you Abdul’s friend or relative?

  107. #107 by Awas on January 7, 2009 - 11:39 PM

    Jay

    Not you as well…is there anyone on khansahab’s side? It’s true, I am his worst critic because for some reason I feel I need to (I can’t tell you why) but even you are on Abdul’s side. Honestly, where is the justice?

  108. #108 by Awas on January 7, 2009 - 11:51 PM

    Apparently, its Kevin Pieterson’s arrogance that led to his resignation that ECB accepted readily. In other words he was pushed out.

    He had a problem not only with Peter Moores, the coach but he was putting down some of his teammates too. His cockiness was good for his game but in the end brought his downfall as captain.

    Isn’t it a bit of relief that such shenanigans are not Pakistan specific only…?

  109. #109 by khansahab on January 8, 2009 - 12:00 AM

    Awas

    Yes, there are arrogant players across the whole world but the way Kevin behaved was still more dignified than how Pakistanis behave.

    He didn’t publicly vilify anyone and he didn’t perform any tirades against anyone. When the media is referring to his arrogance, it is about him admitting publicly that he has a different way of thinking to the coach and that the morale in the dressing room isn’t particularly peaceful.

    If it was Pakistan Pieterson would have had it this way because in Pakistan player power is paramount. Because it was not Pakistan, Pieterson was asked to step down as captain. The ECB acted with dignity because they demoted Kevin but at the same time they also sacked the coach. That is really how it has to be, both captain and coach are equally important and if they can’t agree on matters, both have to step down.

    In Pakistan however, our players bad mouth people, hit other players, damage property in stadiums, can’t lose their weight and take drugs, yet they are given “A” category contracts. Our public is uneducated, unrefined and misguided because whenever PCB has taken some stern action against Shoaib, people in Lahore and Pindi come to the streets.

  110. #110 by Awas on January 8, 2009 - 12:17 AM

    khansahab

    I can’t deny any of what you say.

    My reference was in the main towards general controversy

  111. #111 by khansahab on January 8, 2009 - 12:21 AM

    Awas

    I understand your view….yeah I agree that Pieterson’s attitude was definitely controversial and it is surprising, but understandable, how arrogant players exist everywhere.

    He should not have stamped his authority like how he did.

  112. #112 by Awas on January 8, 2009 - 10:23 AM

    khansahab

    God forbid, are u saying if Abdul stamps his authority like that he too would be chucked out???

  113. #113 by abdul on January 8, 2009 - 4:50 PM

    Jay, since When am I being “bullied”. Who are u ?

  114. #114 by Awas on January 8, 2009 - 5:01 PM

    Abdul

    Yeah…no one can bully you here. Jay has no idea what he is talkin about…huh!

  115. #115 by Awas on January 8, 2009 - 5:46 PM

    Abdul

    Referring to your email. Hey, man why do you always answer my questions with questions? I thought you were gonna tell me your age? Don’t you trust me? I promise not to tell anyone. It’s a matter of credibility now, so please don’t disappoint me…promise?

    Otherwise, I think you will do well to follow on Theossa’s footsteps. You can’t go much wrong there. Look where he is now…working for the US top secret service. We would rather see your wizardry than waste a few years doing CA. If still interested in CA then I’ll tell you after A levels. It’s a deal! My word is my bond! What about yours?

  116. #116 by abdul on January 8, 2009 - 8:55 PM

    Awas what do u mean by ” wizardy “. I am just currently researching different careers that could become future prospects. I am good in mathes and dealing with stateistics therefore I thought a financial related career could be better than being an enginear. Or if I work really hardly I could even make into medecine and a sinetiest.

    If you mean weaving my leg spin by wizrady all I can say is cricket will be my ultimate interest regardles if I’m playing proffessionally or not but I’ll TRY to make it to county level atleast but nothing is guaranteed in the cuurent competetive world.

  117. #117 by abdul on January 8, 2009 - 9:00 PM

    Meanwhile HARRAAH Srilanka’s tour of Pakistan is scheduled sooner than expected and the one dayers are only a fortnight away !

    Interesting to see which squads get selected. Are they playing a t20 interntaional as well ?

    Meanwhile the ECB crisis was all over the media today and on front pages of national newspapers. GEE it’s a big story. ECB also issued a statement that Mushtaq Ahmed could have an important role in assisting the English spinners to Ahes glory this summer. Can mushy insert his magic in the english ?

  118. #118 by khansahab on January 8, 2009 - 11:10 PM

    Abdul

    Sometimes having too many options can misguide you rather than making things easier for you. I think you need to narrow down your career choices.

    You are correct in identifying that your strengths lie in science related areas. If you find Maths and Statistics good, then that is a bonus but bear in mind these topics are extremely different at Advanced level (A-level). Many people who like Maths and Physics at GCSE end up disliking them at A-level.

  119. #119 by Awas on January 8, 2009 - 11:11 PM

    Abdul

    Maulvi Mushy can insert anything in the English not just his magic. He has got a lot of tricks up his sleeve.

  120. #120 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 8, 2009 - 11:15 PM

    I don’t like the way India and BCCI in particular are poking their nose in splitting the Sri Lanka tour to Pakistan. It is really “disgustipatingly” pathetic on their part to behave like a dog in the manger. Whoever supporting India on this issue must be blind and total rather, PUKKA patriotic, otherwise it makes no sense if you look at the way India has been playing cricket and they are not short of any matches or series, they have played against, Australia and Sri Lanka in October / November 2008 then against, England, whereas Australia refused to come to Pakistan, India canceled their tour to Pakistan and now they are being so greedy that they lured Sri Lanka and making them play in India simply by interrupting and splitting the tour.

  121. #121 by Awas on January 8, 2009 - 11:28 PM

    khansahab

    That’s very true. I too personally know some children who liked maths a lot at GCSE and ended up giving up at A-level. It becomes many degrees harder at A-levels.

    By the way, how did anyone miss a big punch line in the last line of Abdul’s comment?

  122. #122 by khansahab on January 9, 2009 - 12:13 AM

    Abdul

    I hope Mushy Maulvi can insert his magic in the English and maybe the English can learn some magic tricks. I wonder if Mushy prefers rabbits out of hats or if he likes card tricks?

    Also I wonder how the magic will actually be inserted. Will he insert something in their bloodstream? I am of course saying this because the English are poor learners and they haven’t been able to produce a world class cricket team. I guess standard coaching has not helped them and what they need is someone to insert some magic in them.

  123. #123 by Awas on January 9, 2009 - 12:16 AM

    khansahab

    The question is how do you insert such a thing in the English?

  124. #124 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 9, 2009 - 12:22 AM

    khansahab and Awas have you not read what abdul has written? He wrote he is working hardly….. so anything can be inserted anywhere, leave him alone and enjoy Mushy Mushy.

  125. #125 by khansahab on January 9, 2009 - 12:50 AM

    I am listing the top 5 bowlers and batsmen belonging to Group A of the current Quaid e Azam trophy being played in Pakistan. I wonder how the PCB thought of them when deciding whether to give them contracts or not:

    Batsmen (in terms of runs scored):

    Afaq Raheem
    Nasir Jamshed
    Fawad Alam
    Ahmed Zeeshan
    Khurram Manzoor (Asim Kamal comes after Manzoor)

    Bowlers (in terms of wickets taken):

    Mohammad Aamer
    Anwar Ali
    Danish Kaneria
    Najaf Shah
    Kamran Hussein

  126. #126 by khansahab on January 9, 2009 - 1:21 AM

    Wasim sahab

    You have spoken about Rana and Razzaq above and mentioned that you thought they both got a raw deal.

    I have expressed my disagreement with this in the past but I will elaborate about Rana. He was like Razzaq, brilliant when he came but his performance declined dramatically.

    The differences between Sami’s bowling and Rana’s bowling were these:

    1) Rana went through a longer period when he was bowling magnificently and he was in short a more capable bowler

    2) At their worst though Sami was better, he was more economical than Rana and he was also picking up 1 or 2 wickets here and there. Rana was just very unlucky that he was neither picking up wickets nor keeping the runs down.

    3) Rana lost his pace as his bowling figures declined and this is why he is now only considered as T20 material. He started bowling in late 80’s, then went to mid 80’s and now usually bowls in late 70’s. Sami also lost his pace but he can still bowl in mid to late 80’s.

    I am comparing the two because many people think Rana was treated unfairly because Sami was given so many chances.

  127. #127 by Wasim on January 9, 2009 - 3:07 AM

    Abdul

    SriLanka abhi nahin “harrah” abhi tou khel shru bhi nahin hua:))

    As regards your question.

    “Can mushy insert his magic in the english ?”

    I don’t know it depends on if he still can get an erection, and if he still got his magic then we might see a lot of little Mushy’s in England next year.

  128. #128 by Wasim on January 9, 2009 - 3:57 AM

    Khansahab

    Sami in my opinion is still the fastest bowler in Pakistan but he can’t take wickets whether it’s his bad luck, lack of accuracy or flat bowling I have never understood his problem.

    Initially he was flat and he was not capable of moving the ball as a result he was too easy to deal with, but later on he learned to swing the ball but lacked accuracy, after every match I used to think he is the most unlucky bowler in the world.

    Rana on the other hand could move the ball both ways and was the best bowler in Pakistan who could reverse swing effectively, he was never the same bowler after his shoulder surgery he lost considerable speed, one problem he had through out his career was his econ rate, he was never afraid to buy the wicket, he liked to bowl just short of the length in subcontinent but when you are not in form and lose your accuracy the short of length easily becomes short pitched and you get smashed all over the park.

    When I said he got treated unfairly, I never meant to say that axing him from the team was not the right decision I was referring to the scathing criticism he endured from the fans they totally forgot his match winning performances and never gave him any chance or fan support to regain his form. I guess he didn’t had any fan base.

    If you ask me would I take him back now in the team, I would say no as I don’t think ICL has any standard, I would not judge his form and fitness just on the basis of ICL.
    Also the fact that we have Sohail Khan, Aamir and Talha on the bench we don’t need an old bowler.

  129. #129 by Awas on January 9, 2009 - 10:01 AM

    Wasim

    I hope you just meant to erect his arm straight when bowling…and nothing else!

  130. #130 by Awas on January 9, 2009 - 10:25 AM

    Wasim/khansahab

    Isn’t it nice to analyse and criticise the two bowlers so wonderfully the way you guys just did this time without veering towards unpleasantness.

    Sami no doubt was much more promising as he had good pace and as such people did and still do like him. Let me also add that, I think, he was a confidence bowler. When hammered no one ran to him to put an arm around him and give some encouragement. Inzi was never the type to move away from his spot to do such a thing and would instead give his unhelpful silent poker faced doze. Game psychology and understanding your players is very important.

    Wasim analysed Rana perfectly in fact and I agree with khansahab he is now only a T20 bowler and I do believe Wasim when he says “I never meant to say that axing him from the team was not the right decision”.

  131. #131 by khansahab on January 9, 2009 - 11:11 AM

    Wasim sahab/Awas

    Sami lacks mental toughness and I think he lacks imagination and aggression. He is history now anyway, but he has only himself to blame. It is a shame because despite being fast he had a good attitude and he is known to be a team man.

    Lahore Badshahs won ICL and they deserved it, but apart from Imran Nazir and Rana, I didn’t think they had any player who can play T20 cricket at international level. Imran Farhat and Shahid Yousuf are average players, Shahid Nazir is a good bowler but he is not a wicket-taker- he is like Rao Ifthikar, only keeps the runs down. Sami and Azhar Mahmood are also average bowlers. So Lahore won ICL on the performances of two players only- Imran Nazir and Rana.

    I know individual players often contribute to the team’s victories, but at the same time we also see a complete team effort on many occasions. I think ICL was more about Imran Nazir and Rana, than the whole team. In fact I think Hyderabad or any other team could have defeated Lahore easily had it not been for Nazir and Rana.

  132. #132 by khansahab on January 9, 2009 - 2:09 PM

    PCB to be sued by their own legal advisor?

    The PCB could be facing yet another lawsuit after their own legal advisor Tafazzul Rizvi threatened to haul them to court. Rizvi was miffed with a letter from the PCB human resources director, Wasim Bari, asking him to explain his statements regarding the PCB’s delay in submitting documents and DVDs in the Shoaib Akhtar case.

    “The language used in the letter is not acceptable and if the PCB do not apologise I will take them to the court,” Rizvi told cricketnirvana.com. “I have served (the PCB) to the best (of my) ability, at times I had to leave other cases to accommodate the PCB and all of them were handled very well as the verdicts prove. I am disappointed by the approach taken by the new PCB set-up.”

    Rizvi was asked for an explanation for breaching the PCB’s new gag order which prevents its officials and players from speaking to the media without its permission.

  133. #133 by Wasim on January 9, 2009 - 2:12 PM

    Massive irregularities have been discovered in the construction of Far End Pavilion at the Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore. The work was started on 7th February, 2008 and it was to be completed by 31st August, 2008.

    The VIP enclosure at the Gaddafi Stadium was conceived by the previous management of PCB and was a show piece to be ready before the ICC Champions Trophy to be held in September 2008 at a cost of Rs. 142 million for usable area of 55, 000 square feet. The architect who was awarded the contract was a close buddy of Shafqat Naghmi. The design is faulty – huge columns have been constructed which have blocked spectators’ view. Hospitality boxes have been ill-conceived and huge dinning room areas have been left at the back of the boxes which have very little utility. There has been a huge cost overrun. Variations cost a hefty amount Rs. 41 million while escalation was Rs. 45 million. Later other works including HVAC Work, Taflon Membrane, Fiber Glass Chairs, Glass Wall, Faica Beam, Built Up Floor and Hand Rail/Railing were added along with project consultant fee, architect fee, transformers and 10% contingency the total has reached staggering figure of Rs. 471 million. The whole project is a monumental disaster, utter wastage of PCB funds and is a tribute to the management ego and vision of grandeur. The project was to be completed by 31st August 2008. It was sheer negligence and incompetence of the previous management that the project has not been completed in time and there has been a colossal cost increase. The amazing aspect of the whole fraudulent tender is that a hefty advance has already been paid to the contractor.

    Shafqat Naghmi, former COO and Ahmar Malik, former GM special projects PCB, even traveled abroad at the PCB expense to see various cricket stadiums. The architect too had a couple of visits abroad at PCB expense. When the architect was questioned about the non-functional design, the reply was that the design was made as per clients’ instructions and vision.

    As the whole cricketing community knew, Shafqat Naghmi and other officials had took some important files with them while leaving the Gaddafi Stadium after their withdrawal of service, PCB couldn’t find any document proving if any approval was given to revise the cost which was initially Rs. 142 million while awarding the tender. It is pertinent to note that Shafqat Naghmi in his last utterance to a foreign news agency had admitted that he had a file of fast bowler Muhammad Asif’s case with him and even ridiculously accused the present PCB management that it had not showed interest to take the file from him. While, it was the moral and official duty of Shafqat Naghmi, himself a senior civil servant, who failed to demonstrate courage and a sense of responsibility to formally hand over the charge to Salim Altaf who was then the director general of PCB.

    It is pertinent to mention that the audit of the whole infrastructure projects is being conducted by the auditor general of Pakistan.

    The Chairman PCB has taken a serious note of the cost overrun of the project and under his instructions the work on the project has been stopped. The Chairman has also sought the services of an independent team of professionals to ascertain the original cost of the whole project which is now Rs. 471 million. It will take two weeks’ time to find out the actual cost of the project at the present market rate.

  134. #134 by Wasim on January 9, 2009 - 3:41 PM

    Khansahab

    Shahid Nazir, Rana, Sami and Azhar were second string Pakistani bowlers yet they were hard to score of in ICL which clearly demonstarates the standard of ICL, Shahid Nazir was the best bowler for Lahore Badshahs, while Rana was more in the lime light because of his all round performance.

    Other than Imran Nazir and Yousaf I don’t think any other LB player has any future left with the Pakistan cricket team.

  135. #135 by Wasim on January 9, 2009 - 3:44 PM

    Awas

    It would be even better if he erects and insert his arm in the english but then we won’t be seeing little Mushy’s:)

  136. #136 by Awas on January 9, 2009 - 4:49 PM

    I would rather think like…Rana was selected, they tried him, he was successful on occasions and a disappointment mainly. He lingered on a bit due to mullagiri with Inzi. Eventually, the selectors learned their lessons. Its over!

    But that’s just me.

    Khansahab and Wasim already analysed his good and bad qualities perfectly!

  137. #137 by khansahab on January 9, 2009 - 5:13 PM

    Pakistan’s Afridi accused of slapping fan

    KARACHI, Jan 9 (Reuters) – Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi faces an investigation after being accused of slapping a spectator during a domestic first class match on Friday.

    A reporter and cameraman from Television channel “Express” claimed they had seen Afridi, who was playing for Habib Bank, slap an autograph hunter after play ended against Pakistan International Airlines.

    Afridi denied slapping the fan.

    “I didn’t slap anyone. There was this guy who was chasing and pushing me for an autograph. I just pushed him away,” Afridi told Reuters.

    A Pakistan Cricket Board official said they would probe the incident.

    Afridi, who has made 26 test and 268 one-day international appearances, is one of the most popular cricketers in Pakistan thanks to his flamboyant and aggressive batting.

  138. #138 by abdul on January 10, 2009 - 8:52 AM

    Habib Bank have got 4 spinners in there unit! Also talking of squads I hope Mohammed Aamer gets selected for Pakistan. I guess unlike England Pakistan will name their one day and test squad at different times due to the schedule and break in between the two phases.

  139. #139 by khansahab on January 10, 2009 - 1:02 PM

    PCB likely to reconsider central contract list

    The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) which is currently run by cricketers likely to be dispersed after the national selection committee along with the Javaed Miandad – Director General (DG) of PCB objected, that they had not been consulted by their chief while finalising the list of 26-players for the central contract. The board had asked coach Intikhab Alam, manager Yawar Saeed and chief selector Qadir to finalise the list of players.

    people understands PCB may be forced to review the list of players who were given central contracts as the selectors Saleem Jaffer and Shoaib Mohammad were not happy that chief selector Abdul Qadir had not consulted them while submitting the list of 26 players for the contracts.

    “The indications are that the board might have to review the list because the selectors say when they sit down to finalise teams for the home series against Sri Lanka, some of the players they will consider are not on the contracted list,” a source told someone.

    The PCB has come in for criticism after it was pointed out that a number of deserving candidates and some high performers in domestic cricket were left out of the central contracts while some less deserving players have been accommodated.

    One of the deserving Pakistan pacer Abdul Rauf, who performed well in last year’s Asia Cup and has been a steady performer in domestic cricket, was surprised after he was overlooked for the central contracts.

    “I am really sad at not being considered for the contract. I don’t understand why they ignored me,” Rauf said.

  140. #140 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2009 - 1:09 PM

    khansahab all I can say is, the PCB likes to play Musical Chairs with Butt as the Couch Potato.

  141. #141 by Wasim on January 10, 2009 - 3:19 PM

    Omer

    I don’t know why are you whining so much,
    At least I don’t defend the bits and pieces player by saying that he is a bowler who can’t bat and a bowler who can’t perform against good teams.
    The day you will look at these players without your personal bias you will agree with me.

  142. #142 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 10, 2009 - 4:58 PM

    Wasim

    I am not supporting here….. but, what makes you think that Omer is whining? Presenting your views is not whining. Secondly, the bits and parts you have highlighted in your comments was once your own perception about Malik that he is a batsman who can bowl. Whereas, his entrance in the team was based on his off-spin bowling and he was compared with Saqlain Mushtaq by many. Similarly Shahid Afridi’s career started as a leg break bowler who was played in Kenya against Sri Lanka because Mushy got injured. His fastest hundred made him a hero batsman, but the fact remains that he is a leg spin bowler.

    Besides, it is very easy to say that the day you will look at these players without your personal bias(es) you will agree with me. Because, in a philosophical or public debate we tend to be very humble in saying “keep your biases aside” but, the truth is we ALL are biased and prejudiced to some extent.

  143. #143 by khansahab on January 10, 2009 - 5:57 PM

    Aizaz Cheema

    29 year old fast bowler from Sargodha

    He has a very good record and is known to be the fastest bowler in Pakistan. He made his comeback recently and today he took 6 wickets against a strong Habib Bank side. He regularly bowls at 90mph which makes him faster than Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Aamer.

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakistandomestic/content/player/39821.html

  144. #144 by khansahab on January 10, 2009 - 6:02 PM

    I saw Mohammad Sami’s name in the scorecard for Pakistan Customs.

    What is going on? I thought ICL players could not play domestic cricket?

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakistandomestic/engine/match/382643.html

  145. #145 by khansahab on January 10, 2009 - 6:06 PM

    Afridi was interviewed about allegedly slapping a fan.

    He explained that he didn’t slap the fan, but he placed his hand on the cheek of the kid and pushed him away because he was getting late for prayer and the fan desperately wanted Afridi’s autograph.

  146. #146 by khansahab on January 10, 2009 - 6:13 PM

    Ex COO Naghmi hits back at PCB

    By Imran Ali Teepu

    Saturday, 10 Jan, 2009

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) former Chief Operations Officer Shafqat Naghmi has rejected the allegations of financial irregularities leveled against him by the current management.
    PCB on Friday sent a media release saying that the board has halted the construction work of the Far End Pavilion of Gadaffi Stadium after discovering irregularities in the project which had been initiated by the previous board management under by Dr Nasim Ahraf and Shafqat Naghmi.
    Naghmi, however, blamed the present management for mishandling the project. Talking to Dawn on Saturday, he said ‘The current management is responsible for the consumption of whopping Rs 471 million in costs which started from Rs 143 million on the construction of Far End Pvallion of Gadaffi Stadium’.
    ‘This reflects the inefficiency and incompetence of the present management of the board.’
    ‘The responsibility for the subject increase in costs rests with Chief Operating Officer Saleem Altaf, Director (HR) Wasim Bari, and Manager Projects Zahid Hussain, with no technical qualification equivalent to engineering as they are the ones who are handling the subject project since October 2008,’ Naghmi alleged.
    He also rejected allegations that the contract was awarded to an architect close to him. ‘The contract for the architecture work of the stadium was awarded through a transparent channel as the board published an advertisement and short listed the most experienced architect’.

  147. #147 by Abdul on January 10, 2009 - 6:34 PM

    Khanshab, I can only suggest it is Mohammed Sami 2 and his profile has been muddled up as we can clearly see he’s a batsman who doesn’t bowl in the scorecard.

  148. #148 by khansahab on January 10, 2009 - 6:48 PM

    Abdul

    Very good observation, I’m agree with you that it is probably some other Sami.

  149. #149 by Wasim on January 11, 2009 - 4:28 AM

    Javed

    I have always respected and admired Omer’s opinion, but his sarcasm was un called for and hence deserved a response.

    I commented about Rana and Sami with complete honesty, Rana was never my favorite and as I said in one of my previous comment he only kept on playing because Asif, Shoaib and Gul were always in and out of the team due to injuries or other reasons something which Omer failed to realize, he was never the first choice and was always considered to be a second string bowler.

    Omer’s comment gives one an impression as if there was a Glen Mcgrath sitting somewhere in Pakistan who was ignored because of Inzi’s favoritism for Rana,that was not the case.

    He was just another bowler which Pakistan tried and got mixed results, he played only 9 test matches out of which 3 Pakistan won, 3 lost and 3 drawn.

    He played 62 or 63 ODI’s out of which Pakistan lost 25, most of them because of batting, however he did perform poorly in a couple of series, the 30+ matches in which Pakistan won his bowling average remained a little over 20 and his Econ rate was around 5, which is not bad, he had a poor series in India, England,and SA but which bowler did well in SA or England they all got thrashed.

    I have never said that Kamran Akmal is the best wicket keeper or defended his poor performance, but having said that I don’t think there is a better choice available right now, Sarfraz Ahmed also dropped some catches and he doesn’t have the same caliber as a batsman.
    May be in a year or two he will be ready to replace Akmal but right now I don’t see the advantage.

    I have never defended Malik when he shows cowardice as a bowler and fails to deliver, same way I am not willing to give Afridi this margin of not performing as a batsman.

    Even as of today both of these players are selected as all-rounders. But both of them deliver only in one role, we can’t change them because we don’t have replacements ready, Similarly we do not have a replacement for Akmal who can perform better than him.

    So this whole notion of favoritism is completely baseless. Our team is full of average players who can only deliver average results.

  150. #150 by khansahab on January 11, 2009 - 12:56 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Thanks for elaborating on how you feel about Rana and Akmal- maybe that will make others understand your point of view.

    However, you yourself say everyone is entitled to their opinions, so here is mine.

    It is a very weak argument to say that you think there is no better keeper than Akmal. Pakistan only tried 1 more keeper who was Sarfraz, and he only got to face 46 balls in international cricket. You can’t comment on his batting like you did because he is not an aggressive batsman like Akmal; his batting is more controlled and methodical. He needs more exposure to batting and keeping both in international cricket if someone has to carve an opinion of him. Mostly he came out to bat when pinch hitting was required and the same goes for Fawad Alam, and both of these batsmen are not specialist pinch hitters like Akmal or Tanvir.

    You can look at their domestic batting records and see for yourself who is the better batsman. Currently Sarfraz averages 42 in first class cricket; when he was playing for Pakistan earlier this year he was averaging 45.
    That is higher than Malik’s, Afridi’s, Butt’s etc batting averages. Sarfraz has played 29 first class matches, so it is not like he is a rookie. He has been playing first class cricket for almost 3 years.

    Yes, Sarfraz dropped 2 catches I think, but overall he was quite impressive. Pakistan should have persisted with him more but it is very clear that Malik’s disagreement with the selection committee was because he wanted Akmal to be the keeper and he wanted to keep Afridi out of the team. This is not a baseless allegation or conspiracy theory, this is a fact and every newspaper reported it.

    A wicketkeeper’s main role is to hold on to catches and people who advance the name of Akmal because he can bat, must be very stupid because even if he can’t bat, his foremost duty is to hold catches. Batting is always a bonus for a keeper, and Akmal is definitely no Dhoni or Sangakarra that he should be in the team for his batting expertise. I am no batting expert, but Akmal’s batting technique is very poor; in fact sometimes it’s laughable.

    As for Akmal’s match savings innings at Karachi and Mohali, and hitting 2 sixes recently in the last over, every dog will have his day. Sohail Tanvir is not a batsman but he made a 50 against Hong Kong, Jason Gilliespie is not a batsman but he made 2 Test hundreds I think, Brett Lee has scored 50’s and so has Harbhajan Singh. So Akmal has been playing for 7 years and if he made 3 or 4 match winnings knocks in that time, big deal!

    It is rumoured Akmal is related to Malik and it is also rumoured that Malik or Akmal’s uncle is some senator. So there is clear favouritism. We can criticise Miandad for using nepotism to get Faisal Iqbal in the team so why can’t we criticse Malik and Akmal for their favouritism?

  151. #151 by khansahab on January 11, 2009 - 1:09 PM

    Asif was detained in Dubai for possessing opium

    Cricinfo staff

    January 11, 2009

    Mohammad Asif has been barred from entering the UAE after being deported from Dubai last year for possession of an opium substance weighing 0.24 grams, according to documents available with Cricinfo.

    PCB officials of the time had revealed the nature of the substance, but court and police documents now finally confirm the details. Asif was caught with the substance in his wallet at Dubai airport on June 1, 2008 when travelling back to Pakistan after competing in the Indian Premier League. He was detained for 19 days before being released.

    The documents also shed light on the conclusion of the case, revealing that the public prosecutor advocated not filing criminal charges based on several factors: “that the accused was arrested at Dubai airport before being able to actually enter the state, the trifle amount of the drug, the serious consequence of putting him on trial and enforcing a judgment against him, and for the sake of avoiding pressures on courts and prisons.”

    Asif’s urine sample taken at the airport was negative, however, putting to rest much speculation that Asif was intoxicated at the airport. But during an interrogation with two investigators, Asif said he did not know of the nature of the substance, thinking it to be a herbal remedy and said he used it to boost his blood pressure and energy levels.

    “I started using it once every year, one small piece each time when necessary,” the interview records Asif as saying.

    Asked if he knew what the substance was, Asif replied: “A herbal dark substance found with me which I use for energy … to reduce blood pressure and gain energy. I have obtained it from one of the public curers in Pakistan.”

    Asif acknowledged that he last used the substance in Pakistan four months before the case. The sample was tested in a laboratory in Dubai and it was confirmed that the substance Asif carried in his wallet was 0.24 grams of opium.

    “I did not intend to bring it to the country and I don’t know whether it is a narcotic drug or otherwise and I don’t know whether it is prohibited in the UAE or not,” Asif told the investigators.

    Though Asif is currently suspended from all cricket by the PCB – he is facing a separate inquiry for a positive steroid test at the IPL – there are repercussions for his future appearances for Pakistan in the prosecutor’s order against him.

    The attorney general deported Asif and had his name put on a list of prohibited names who cannot enter the UAE. “The concerned authorities in the CID should be notified to take all the necessary actions to deport the accused from the state and include his name in the list of persons prohibited from entering the state once again,” the order reads.

    Given that many international teams have refused to tour Pakistan in recent years because of the instability in the country and the fact that the UAE is a very viable and feasible neutral option – one that has been used – the order effectively means Asif will not be able to play for Pakistan there.

    Though the PCB says they do not have the relevant documents of the case, the feeling within the board is that this case at least will not be pursued actively internally. Officials believe that if the IPL inquiry finds Asif guilty and bans him from cricket, that may be punishment enough. That case is currently awaiting another hearing, due to be held on January 24 in London, but which has now been shifted back to India.

    In 2006, Asif and Shoaib Akhtar were pulled out of the Champions Trophy in India after both tested positive for nandrolone during internal PCB testing.

  152. #152 by Awas on January 11, 2009 - 2:56 PM

    Cricinfo
    January 11, 2009

    Kevin Pietersen has said that he was forced to resign as England captain by the ECB and had not been given any explanation as to why he was asked to stand down.

    In comment 126, I had already figured it out (it wasn’t difficult) on the day his resignation news came out, four days ago, when I said:

    “…his resignation that ECB accepted readily. In other words he was pushed out”.
    🙂

  153. #153 by khansahab on January 11, 2009 - 3:32 PM

    Let us all list our 15 man squad for ODI’s against Sri Lanka:

    nasir
    afridi
    malik
    misbah
    younis
    alam
    sarfraz
    tanvir
    arafat
    gul
    akhtar

    reserves

    sohail khan
    azhar ali
    mohammad aamer
    saeed ajmal

  154. #154 by Awas on January 11, 2009 - 3:45 PM

    I was going to wait till our resident expert Abdul the wizard comes out with a real cracker but I guess he will be busy watching a Bollywood movie today, so here is my choice:

    Just one change Akhtar to be replaced by Sohail Khan.

  155. #155 by khansahab on January 11, 2009 - 3:52 PM

    PCB wilts, hands Rauf central contract

    Sunday, 11 Jan, 2009

    LAHORE: On the recommendation of chief selector Abdul Qadir, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has given a ‘C’ category central contract to international fast bowler Abdur Rauf on Sunday.

    Rauf, despite being the country’s top domestic wicket taker with a haul of 405, was the surprise omission when the PCB announced the names of 26 players for central contracts last week.

    But Rauf’s omission caused a furor last week and the media led a scathing attack on the policies of the cricket board.

    Rauf also had the backing of the governing board members of the PCB who voiced their support of the fast bowler in a meeting with chairman, Ijaz Butt.

    Rauf, who made his domestic debut in 2001, has a prolific first-class record, bowling at an average of 25.89.

    It remains to be seen now whether the cases of batsmen Saeed Bin Nasir and Asim Kamal, both of whom have been scoring heavily on the domestic circuit, will get similar consideration from the PCB.

  156. #156 by Wasim on January 11, 2009 - 4:11 PM

    Khansahab

    I have seen both Sarfraz and Fawad batting, Fawad has a much better technique and has a wide range of shots than Sarfraz, I am not discussing him he is fine and should have a bright future a head of him as a batsman who can also be used as a part time bowler, but Sarfraz has not impressed me I liked his keeping and his confidence but in batting he is no where near Akmal.

    Akmal has 5 test 100’s, all of them were played under pressure when the top order failed,he has 4 ODi 100’s all of them match winning innings, he has played many cameos down the order in Odi’s which helped Pakistan to achieve a decent total, you can’t just pick three innings and say every dog will have his day that would be unfair.

    He is not related to Malik and Malik does not have an uncle who is a senator.

    I don’t think he was deliberately dropping catches of Afridi’s bowling, Afridi is extremely difficult to read he varies his pace so much that any keeper will have difficulty in keeping on his bowling, over all I have observed that Akmal was weak in keeping against leg spinners, I think he has dropped more catches on Kineria’s bowling than anybody else,he was going through a lean patch and was dropping the simplest of catches but I think he has worked out his problems his last several outings as a keeper were not bad at all.

    We do have Sarfraz as a back up as I said in a year or two Sarfraz will gain the maturity as a batsman to take Akmal’s place and his keeping will also get better.

    I don’t consider Tanvir an all-rounder he can’t play on off side.

  157. #157 by Q on January 11, 2009 - 4:32 PM

    A lot is being discussed in the comments here and I have not been able to follow it completely but I read somewhere that Akmal dropped catches of Afridi’s bowling on purpose…

    Ur joking right? U cant be serious about this one?

    Afridi is one hell of a bowler and picking his variations as a keeper is an art! Which definitely Akmal lacks. He drops of Kaneria too. Even Gilchrist fumbled and dropped of Afridi during the IPL.

    As for the original post – Qadir’s ideas are definitely fresh but as long as the Miandad heads the board, Pak cricket will only go backward! Dead pitches for domestic games and tests, Faisal Iqbal with a B Categort contract, unwilling to budge from traditional approach, all this will just keep detracting Pakistan.

  158. #158 by abdul on January 11, 2009 - 5:44 PM

    Let me also choose my side for odi’s against Srilanka-a series vital for the future and re-development of Pakistan cricket.

    Salman Butt
    Shaid Afridi
    Younis Khan
    Shoaib Malik
    Misbah Ul huq
    Fawad Alam
    Kamran Akmarl
    Sohail Tanvit
    Mansoor Amjad
    Umar Gul
    Shoaib Akthar

    Reserves

    Nasir Jamshed
    Sohail Khan
    Mohammed Aamer
    Saed Ajmal

    Guys this is not the best team available by far. Only if we could have ICL players we could spice up the line up with players like Imran Nazir , Rana and Yousuf but now we probably have to accept their absence.

    Awas by the way today I spent my time today and yesterday studying.

    Anyway Kaneria could even be an option due to Miandad and Qadir’s support of his position and role in limited overs cricket. But I have seen his average in the recent one day competetion being over 50! Shorly Mansoor Amjad will be the better option as he’s a wicket taker and can bat and field better to which has to considered in this format.

    By the way Mr Khanshab is Azhar Ali a spinner or perhaps I shall find out as I’ve seen Mushtaq Ahmed recommending him as a prospect.

  159. #159 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2009 - 6:37 PM

    Jason Gilliespie is not a batsman but he made 2 Test hundreds I think, khansahab

    He made a double hundred (201) in test cricket against BD when he came in as a nightwatchman.

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 11, 2009 - 6:44 PM

    khansahab

    Yae purani baat hai about Opium, it may have come out officially now but, a lot of people in Dubai knew about the substance he was carrying in his wallet. He was not only charged for possession of drugs but also for slapping the immigration officer when he was confronted and reportedly Asif had been drinking on flight and not in his senses when he slapped him.

    The rumours are also circulating that the PCB officials who went to Dubai to rescue him at the instructions of Senators and Ministers reportedly took large sums of money from the PCB coffers on the pretext of paying Lawyers fees and possible “Lane Dane” but, in Dubai its hard to bribe someone especially the immigration shurtas and he was released purely on diplomatic muscle and the money that was taken out of the PCB coffers never went back to the account.

    When DNA left the PCB had a surplus of $30 million dollars in bank accounts. Now, it is said to be in negative. Thanks to Saleem Altaf and Butt Sahab. Saleem Altaf is a very dubious character and he should not only be fired but, a thorough investigation must be made to assess his assets and bank accounts, which he reportedly maintains in Dubai banks.

  161. #161 by khansahab on January 11, 2009 - 8:14 PM

    Wasim sahab

    I never said Akmal is deliberately dropping catches. I once suggested that Afridi became very angry when Akmal dropped two catches very quickly and then Saeed Ajmal dropped a sitter. Afridi looked very upset and the way he looked at Akmal and then Ajmal made it seem like maybe he was feeling paranoid or insecure about them, but by saying that I didn’t mean Akmal was intending to drop catches.

    You have said Sarfraz is nowhere near Akmal in batting, but I think it is a premature assumption for a player who averages more than Akmal in first class and who has only faced 46 balls in international cricket. This is especially considering Akmal is not a batsman. He is too deficient technically to be labelled a “batsman”. As for his hundreds and fifties, I am sure guys like Brett Lee and Harbhajan will also make them if they bat at his position.

    I agree Akmal has improved his keeping in the last few months but that doesn’t justify why he wasn’t discarded earlier when people were saying the unluckiest dismissal is “caught Akmal”. When I saw Humayun Farhat in ICL, I thought his keeping was much better than Akmal’s. He was more athletic and more confident. So there are keepers like Humayun, Ali Asad, Zulqernain etc who could have replaced Akmal.

  162. #162 by Wasim on January 12, 2009 - 12:00 AM

    Khansahab

    I agree with you that when Akmal was dropping catches he was given too much time to recover, may be the management wanted him to regain form rather than taking a chance with a 19 year old, as regards domestic average of Sarfraz its very easy to maintain a good average in Pakistan’s domestic cricket there are too many weak teams, I haven’t looked up at his performance in the recent tournaments where almost all the leading bowlers played I think his performance in these tournaments will be a good indicator.

    I don’t think that you can compare his batting with Brett lee or Harbhajan.

    His centuries are against England and India and not Bangladesh.

    Humayun Farhat was even dropped by LB this year, Zulqernain was also tried the problem remained the same nobody was better than him only Sarfraz seems to be his suitable replacement.

  163. #163 by khansahab on January 12, 2009 - 12:04 AM

    Wasim sahab

    I accept your views and thank you for clarifying.

    I also accept that this thing about Malik being related to some senator is hearsay, because I have seen it being discussed on messageboards but don’t have any article or anything to prove it.

    As regards Sarfraz, Akmal was 20 when he made his debut almost 7 years ago and Sarfraz was also 19/20, so age should not have been a factor.

  164. #164 by Awas on January 12, 2009 - 12:10 AM

    Phew!

    I’m glad Wasim at last sees Sarfraz as a good alternative. I always believed khansahab had a good eye in spotting up coming youngsters and Wasim a good critical eye in analysing.

    This is a genuine comment in spotting at least two good traits in you guys 🙂

  165. #165 by Wasim on January 12, 2009 - 5:50 AM

    Khansahab

    The QA trophy matches are getting quite interesting, I think you should cover them instead of doing Golmaal at V-talk:)

  166. #166 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    Wasim

    In case of Sarfaraz vs Akmal you said the management doesn’t want to risk including a 19 -20 year old player over a seasoned, matured player like Akmal. There are numerous occasions where Pakistan from the very beginning (Mushtaq Mohammad days in the early ’60s) has adapted this policy of inducting fresh new blood. In some cases it has reaped profits but in many cases the careers of hundreds of players ended abruptly, because of bad policies and too much expectations or due to regionalism.

    Shoaib Malik’s case of making him a young captain is another example and I dunno how long he will be a baby captain? And, this is just an example of what you said that the management does not want to take chances or risk. But, they do whenever it suits them or whoever they think is suitable, irrespective of performance or seniority.

    Now, they have included a 19 year old batsman Umar Amin in place of Fawad Alam. Umar Amin is only a batsman whereas, Fawad Alam is a bowler too. Its a shame that Fawad Alam who was responsible for a win against Sri Lanka is not even in the squad.

    Nasir Jamshed’s career is in jeopardy and the way they talked about him a year ago when he made his debut against Zimbabwe that he is a dashing left hand opening batsmen just like Saeed Anwar etc., is all forgotten. Now they are justifying that Umar Amin is another left hand batsman who scored well recently but, they have included Khurram Manzoor ahead of Nasir Jamshed so its not clear whether Khurram will play or Umar Amin? It is most likely that this rookie Umar Amin might sit on the sidelines. It all depends on the first match i.e., if Khurram plays and does not score, IF Salman Butt fails, he will still be there.

    It also is a real test for Shoaib Malik’s captaincy who is there as a captain for an indefinite period. If Pakistan looses this series there will be a big outcry from the media and the masses.

  167. #167 by khansahab on January 12, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    Mendis has become the fastest bowler to take 50 wickets!

  168. #168 by khansahab on January 12, 2009 - 2:43 PM

    Pakistan squad for Sri Lanka ODI’s

    Shoaib Malik (capt), Misbah-ul-Haq, Salman Butt, Younis Khan, Shahid Afridi, Kamran Akmal (wk) , Sohail Tanvir, Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul, Iftikhar Anjum, Saeed Ajmal, Khurram Manzoor, Sohail Khan, Yasir Arafat, Umar Amin.

  169. #169 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2009 - 2:44 PM

    khansahab

    Mendis is a spinner who took 50 wickets in fewer overs than any other bowler. 🙂 Thus, he is a record holder now.

    But, I would like to see him bowling in England, SA and Australia against them, so far ALL his wickets are against India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and on slow tracks. So, lets wait and see whether he is a future Warne or just a Gully ka Sher?

  170. #170 by khansahab on January 12, 2009 - 2:46 PM

    I think the selectors should have given Nasir Jamshed a chance instead of Khurram Manzoor.

    They should also have selected Fawad Alam instead of Butt. Butt’s place should be taken by Afridi in the top order.

  171. #171 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2009 - 2:52 PM

    Khansahab

    I have written above that even if Salman Butt fails, he will still be in the playing XI. So, there is no question of dropping him. He will play ODI like a test match and score may be a 50 in 100 balls and will be in the side for the entire series. In T20 he is a liability because in T20 one is expected to score at a strike rate of 150 plus, especially if you are an opener otherwise you kill the tempo and end up with a meager 120 – 130 runs which is nothing. The respectable or defend able total is 180 runs.

  172. #172 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2009 - 3:02 PM

    QUESTION

    Will the steam less Rawalpindi Express be able to complete his quota of 10 overs in the ODI?

  173. #173 by Wasim on January 12, 2009 - 3:08 PM

    Javed

    As I said before Sarfraz was no Rashid Latif as a keeper his skills as a batsman and as a keeper were not fully tested at that time.

    I am not happy with this selection either.

  174. #174 by Wasim on January 12, 2009 - 3:47 PM

    Khanshab

    Khurram Manzoor is the highest scorer in the QA trophy so far he deserved to be selected.

    Salman Butt should have been dropped he is completely out of form.

    This selection has been done on the basis of seniority which is ridiculous.

    QA trophy
    Runs scored by leading batsmen

    Shoaib Malik 163 from 1 match
    Fawad Alam 275 from 3 matches
    Saeed bin Nasir 293 from 3 matches
    Nasir Jamshed 206 from 3 matches
    Misbah Ul haq 79 from 2 matches
    Younis Khan 105 from 3 matches
    Shahid Afridi 76 from 2 matches
    Salman Butt 50 from 3 matches
    Umer Amin 201 from 3 matches

    Salman butt, Younis Khan and Misbah are out of form,their performances in the Pentangular and RBS cups were also not good,if the seniors are going to get an automatic selection then what is the purpose of having a selection committee.

    Qadir has disappointed me. Hopefully the selection for the next match will be based on merit.

  175. #175 by abdul on January 12, 2009 - 5:14 PM

    The squad is good on the whole but I am dissapointed that Mansoor Amjad and Mohammed Aamer were overlooked by Mr Qadir. I felt Mansoor would make an indeal specialist spinner and lower order batsmen for one day cricket and also felt that Pakistan should have invested in their youth for odi cricket.

    Nevertheless a reasonable squad announced and from that list I will name my preffered 11 hence the squads have now been announced.

    Salman Butt
    Shaid Afridi
    Younis khan
    Shoiab Malik
    Misbah
    Fawad Alam
    Kamran Akmarl
    Sohail Tavir
    Shoiab Akthar
    Umar Gul
    s Ajmal

    Not the best available but it’s what we have to live by I’m afraid. Only if we could have Nazir , Yousuf and Rana back.

  176. #176 by khansahab on January 12, 2009 - 5:15 PM

    Salman Butt has been Pakistan’s best opener for the last 3-4 years, but he is an overrated player and he can’t play outside the subcontinent.

    He averages 44 in Asia, 30 in West Indies and 16 in Australia.

    If he is better than Imran Farhat, Mohammad Hafeez and Taufeeq Umar, it doesn’t mean he is the solution Pakistan has been searching for.

    Pakistan should have tried many different openers against minnows last year and they should have given an extended run to Khurram Manzoor, Nasir and Khalid Latif to see how they are like.

    I was very excited about Butt when he debuted, because he was more educated than most other players and his cover drives were pleasing on the eye. But he has too many technical problems and he can’t play good bowling attacks.

  177. #177 by khansahab on January 12, 2009 - 5:17 PM

    Abul

    Fawad Alam is not in the 15 man squad.

  178. #178 by khansahab on January 12, 2009 - 5:27 PM

    Today was the last day of the 3rd Q&A Trophy matches and the leading batsmen and bowlers (from Group A teams) are as follows:

    Top 10 batsmen (in terms of runs scored):

    Khurram Manzoor
    Saeed Bin Nasir
    Fawad Alam
    Aamer Sajjad
    Wajid Ali
    Bilal Khilji
    Afaq Raheem
    Ahmed Zeeshan
    Nasir Jamshed
    Khaqal Arsal

    Top 10 bowlers (in terms of wickets taken):

    Mohd Aamer
    Danish Kaneria
    Najaf Shah
    Anwar Ali
    Yasir Arafat
    Mohd Talha
    Fahad Masood
    Kamran Hussein
    Azam Hussein
    Murtaza Hussein
    Asad Ali

  179. #179 by Awas on January 12, 2009 - 6:34 PM

    Hey, guys, I agree Butt was definitely, a wrong choice for ODI’s. Perhaps not such a bad idea for tests, as we haven’t found a recognised opener yet, but that’s another story. He is useless in tests too.

    Wasim, no matter how they perform in domestics, you cannot ignore seniors as their experience alone, especially playing in international matches, counts a lot in selection matters. That principle is applied by every country. Younus and Yousaf (if available) should be automatic choices. Players with such character and expertise somehow deliver. The best thing is to have mix of experience and young talent. Discarding a youngster after a couple of matches is disgraceful. Fawad Alam is one such example.

  180. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 12, 2009 - 6:58 PM

    Awas

    You are right about experienced players inclusion in the team. Unfortunately the PCB selectors have double standards and they use it towards their own advantage. They want to bring in ACTOR in the team, because Asif the Druggie is out hence they are trying to justify and keep telling us that Actor is the most experienced bowler and he is still GOOD, whereas he is NOT.

  181. #181 by khansahab on January 12, 2009 - 9:25 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Matthew Hayden has retired from international cricket.

    Be the first one to hear it on Legslip.

  182. #182 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 1:28 AM

    Omer

    I completely agree with you. I think we put too much emphasis on individual players not performing but we don’t talk much about the impact of the captain on the team.

    The same players who played under Ganguly were playing under Tendulkar and Dravid, yet Ganguly was able to transform them. I know some people will take offence at this and for that I apologise in advance, but captaincy requires some basic intelligence and the way Malik talks and behaves shows that he is not an intelligent person. He can be a good member of the lack, but he is not the leader of the pack.

  183. #183 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 13, 2009 - 1:36 AM

    khansahab to say Malik is not an intelligent person is an insult to the word ‘intelligence.’ Forget about his English, the way he talks in Urdu is also very pathetic. He sounds very uncouth and crude. I won’t even say he is mediocre, I would say he is just a paindoo.

  184. #184 by Wasim on January 13, 2009 - 8:49 AM

    Omer, Javed & Khansahab

    My answer remains the same Akmal is better than Sarfraz in every respect.

    Malik has been the best captain in domestic tournaments and his ODI and T20 record is excellent it’s not his fault that Pakistan is not getting enough matches against quality teams. His performance in test matches needs improvement both as a captain and as a player.

    As regards the team getting worse under him, bull shit!

    The team is based on the available talent pool in the country, he is not the selector so any selection blunder should not be attributed to him, whosoever will be the captain of Pak team the results will be more or less the same, Whether it is a Paindoo captain or a Mutarwaa captain or a Naswar khor idiot the 15 selected will be the same barring one or two changes occasionally.

    Let the harmony flow with all the nice ethnic characterization of our players/national heroes. I am sure now that everybody has been included it sure will be regarded as uncouth.

  185. #185 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 11:40 AM

    Wasim sahab

    How racist to say “Muturwaa”!

    I can’t believe you said that

  186. #186 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 11:52 AM

    Malik does not deserve captaincy: Yousuf

    Tuesday, 13 Jan, 2009

    KARACHI: Pakistan batsman Mohammed Yousuf believes Shoaib Malik does not deserve to be the national captain and said his appointment was an injustice.

    Yousuf, who is banned from playing in Pakistan having joined the rebel Indian Cricket League (ICL) last year, said Malik’s appointment in 2007 over other senior players was hugely unfair.

    ‘It is perhaps for the first time in Pakistan cricket that a player who is not a certain choice in the test and one-day team has been made captain,’ Yousuf said.

    The veteran of 79 tests and 269 one-day internationals and former ICC test player of the year said he joined the ICL and put his international career on the line because of shabby treatment from Malik and former chief selector Salahuddin Ahmed.

    ‘Tell me, does Malik command an automatic place in the Pakistan test or one-day team?’ he asked. ‘Yet the board made him captain.’

    Yousuf was one of several senior players overlooked for the captaincy after Pakistan’s first round exit from the last World Cup.

    He was also of the opinion that the now veterans Shahid Afridi or Younus Khan were better suited for the role of captain.

    Yousuf, who set a world record for most test runs in a calendar year in 2006, said he still wanted to play for Pakistan but did not regret his decision to join the ICL.

    ‘The way they dropped me from the Twenty20 team in 2007 without giving any reason or criteria for selecting players, I was hurt and disappointed,’ he added.

    ‘Our board needs to stop toeing the line of the Indian board. What have they done for us? They even refused to tour when we needed a series most.’

    Yousuf admitted he had left a training camp in Karachi in protest before the Twenty20 World Cup in 2007 after learning Malik did not want him.

    ‘After so many years of service to Pakistan cricket I could not accept the humiliation and packed my bags and left camp,’

  187. #187 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 12:01 PM

    I wonder if Mohammad Yousuf is from Karachi or Punjab?

    Ba-kaouz a lot of what he has said is being said by Javed A Khan, Omer and myself.

    I am pleased Yousuf is speaking his mind and he should have started doing this earlier. He would have been a candidate for captaincy if he had behaved more like this earlier.

  188. #188 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 13, 2009 - 12:51 PM

    Wasim

    in your dictionary and in your opinion if the word paindoo is equivalent to Niswar Khor idiot and Mutturwa then you are NOT reflecting your own frustration but oozing out sheer hatred towards the other ethnic groups. This is how regionalism and jingoism stems and breed. Even the very refined, educated and sophisticated Punjabis do not hesitate in calling an uneducated or an uncouth person a paindoo because that is not restricted to a Punjabi only. But it literally means uneducated and uncouth for any person. For Salman Taseer you even used much harsher words than a paindoo. So, why does it hurt you so much when the non-Punjabi call someone a paindoo?

    On the other hand, the equivalent words that you have chosen to write in your comments which you think are equivalent and can be used in the same spirit and, in the same meaning are definitely not the same. But, it is a very direct racist comment on the two ethnic groups, which you should have thought before venting out your frustration.

    We could have deleted or censored your comments but, we didn’t and this is not just to show others that we are broadminded but, because we also want to show to others how racists one can get in defending a paindoo? Surely it translates the expression that, it takes one to know one and, it reflects his own level of intellect and his thinking pattern. And, you being such an intelligent and creative person you said this and did not bother to even think twice! That’s because you never fail to amuse yourself or on the assumption that you have repaid a debt?

  189. #189 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 13, 2009 - 12:59 PM

    khansahab

    I have seen that interview of Mohammad Yusuf and also read it on cricinfo which is very brief over there. He asked them: “Tell me on what grounds did they decide I was not fit for Twenty20 cricket? What was the criteria for deciding this?” Yousuf said. “Tell me how did Shoaib Malik deserve to be the captain? How can you make a player a captain who is not certain of a place in the national Test or one-day team.”

    We all know that Yusuf doesn’t get fair treatment, earlier there was a different problem in dealing with him and now its a different problem BAKAOZ he is not from the upper echelons or the upper strata of the society, he comes from a very humble background, so what if he is ranked as the top player by the ICC rankings? Is he a Malak or a Choudhary? Then he should Shut up!

    This is the most unfortunate part of our society that we treat our heroes like this they not only dis them but they humiliate them and even torture them so they get frustrated and are forced to end up their career in such a manner.

  190. #190 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 1:05 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Yes I agree with you, the difference between Malik and Yousuf is that one is just a cricket player and the other is a cricketing hero.

    Yousuf might have been greedy to join ICL but greed was not the only reason. If it was he would not continuously speak like this about Malik.

    Yousuf was always a red herring in the Pakistan team because of his humble background and reserved nature. He only got some kind of importance and support under fellow Mullah Inzamam.

    After Inzamam’s departure I was supporting Malik for the reasons that his batting was good, Afridi’s bowling wasn’t as good, Younis had declined captaincy twice and Yousuf was like another Inzamam. But Malik has been captain for more than 18 months and the Pakistan team has seen no progress and prosperity. The same players who played under Inzamam are playing under Malik and the team has actually gone behind.

    Only in Pakistan can this crime be encouraged where someone like Malik has his captaincy tenure extended in this way.

  191. #191 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 1:17 PM

    People who needed an excuse to spread negative propaganda about Musharraf and Nasim Ashraf spoke so much about PCB sucking up to the BCCI and not lifting the ban on ICL players.

    What about Butt who spoke recently that PCB cannot do anything about these bans? Where are the cries of hate now?

    PCB should make an exception because Yousuf still deserves to play Test cricket and he is the top Test batsman in the country. With Yousuf, Younis and Misbah, Pakistan can have a world class middle order although Misbah is overrated.

    We have one rule for Musharraf and a different rule for PPP and PML N. We have one rule for Nasim Ashraf and a different rule for Ijaz Butt. This is nonsense.

  192. #192 by Wasim on January 13, 2009 - 2:37 PM

    Javed & Khansahab

    Your response was as expected, and I used those terms just to make you realize we have to stop these ethnic remarks, it’s nothing but “fitna giri” criticizing a player is something else but using ethnic remarks for no reason is wrong and that too so often and so indiscriminately, I have said it repeatedly on this forum but somehow nobody understands.

    People call Punjabi’s Paindoo similarly they call other ethnic groups with other names if it is all in light humor why are we getting so upset when non Punjabi’s are at the receiving end?

    How the term Mutarwwa, Naswar Khor idiot or Akhroat more racist than a paindoo?

    It is wrong to use these terms loosely as they have been used on LS to describe politicians and players from one ethnicity.

    I have no hatred for any ethnic group but respect is always mutual.

    People like Salman Taseer are every where and they deserve no respect.

  193. #193 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 2:49 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Paindoo is a word of Punjabi and its something that Punjabis said about themselves.

    Muturwaa is not a word of Urdu and Punjabis have made it for Muhajirs.

    I have used the word paindoo for people from Karachi, people in India, even White people in the West.

    Similarly Javed A Khan uses it for anyone he finds out of the ordinary or backward, it doesn’t have to be a Punjabi.

    What you said was very racist. Unless you think we should have one rule for everyone else and a different rule for Punjabis. If I call Miandad a paindoo you will think it is OK but if someone calls Malik a paindoo, you will be hurt.

    The problem is with you, not with anyone else.

  194. #194 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 3:09 PM

    Miandad and Abdul Qadir were not consulted when the contract list was drawn out. This goes against the PCB declaration that every senior administration member will be consulted over such matters.

    I don’t see a long term future for the current administration because they are more concerned with highlighting the “failures” of the past board.

    Today Butt has again declared that the former administration left PCB bankrupt and that the current financial position is terrible. Mr Butt thinks people are so stupid that they won’t realise that Pakistan also lost out on lost revenue and hosting rights during the time of Nasim Ashraf, as it is doing so now.

    Butt should spend his time improving cricket in the country by promoting fairness in the selection procedure rather than making stories that are meant to hide his own incompetence and mismanagement.

  195. #195 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 3:22 PM

    Comment: Shoaib Malik’s enthusiasm will see him through

    By Kamran Abbasi

    April 22, 2007

    The worst kept secret in Pakistan cricket was made public this week when Shoaib Malik was confirmed as captain. Malik has always looked captaincy material, a smart head on slender shoulders, but he will need to be careful that this case of premature elevation does not end in an embarrassing mess.

    International captaincy is a million miles from domestic Twenty20 cricket – and Malik has already had his problems there. But apart from the controversy over a game that Sialkot deliberately lost, and Malik was punished for, his domestic captaincy has been received favourably. His challenge is to quickly rise to the rigours of international cricket, lifting his team with him.

    The PCB, which has had a miserable time under Dr Nasim Ashraf, has made a brave and sensible decision to gamble on youth. Inzamam-ul Haq could not have continued after the defeat to Ireland regardless of the horrific complication of Bob Woolmer’s murder. But it was Younis Khan’s whim to spurn the captaincy he had been groomed for that created an opportunity and an unstoppable momentum for drastic change.

    A young captain is a needy soul. He requires full support from his cricket board, which might mean showing dissenting players that they accept Malik’s leadership or they will have to accept an exit from the national team. He requires time. Thankfully, the PCB has abandoned the nonsense of captaincy on a series-by-series basis. A captain can be sacked at any time. The series-by-series approach is an irrelevance, and only undermines a captain’s authority and allows the ambitions of rivals to gather momentum. Malik must have time to grow into the captaincy, develop his own leadership style.

    He requires a mandate for change. The longer you are in post the harder it becomes to change. The first hundred days of Malik’s captaincy need to be the most meaningful. Thinking that you have four years to implement change (between now and the next World Cup) is a strategy destined for failure.

    Where that change should focus isn’t rocket science. On the domestic front, a meaningful and competitive first-class structure is essential for long-term development. The National Academy must become a proper nursery for talent. And any hint of favouritism or regionalism must be expelled from the system.

    With the team itself, Malik and his selection committee must decide who they believe to be the best opening batsmen in Pakistan and develop a permanent pairing. The middle-order requires new blood. Now would be the time to back a rookie like Shahid Yousuf or Fawad Alam, perhaps both. The future is now.

    The final change has to be a clean break for Kamran Akmal, whose form has been too dismal for too long. A period away from international cricket and seeing his place taken by a rival will be incentive enough.

    The one area where Pakistan cricket has least to worry about is the bowling. Umar Gul will soon be rejoined by Mohammad Asif, and possibly Shoaib Akhtar, to form a formidable fast-bowling attack, with Mohammad Sami and others in the wings. Danish Kaneria may finally fly under a new captain and new thinking. And Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razzaq, and Malik himself remain valuable support, particularly in the one-day game.

    Malik also has his own position to worry about. He has proclaimed his support of specialists but he isn’t exactly a specialist himself, although it is a relief to have an athletic captain. Since his elbow operation, Malik’s batting is now clearly his strongest suit. He has already shown the necessary aptitude for a top-order batsman in both forms of cricket.

    He will want to work on his plodding footwork, however, which has exposed his technique in conditions favourable to bowlers.

    Importantly, Malik has begun his rule with the right attitude. He wants to be an attacking captain, a mode that is most effective for Pakistani teams. He wants specialists. He wants to work with senior players. He wants to return Pakistan cricket to winning ways. Sensible words.

    But talk is cheap and Shoaib Malik’s captaincy will be judged by results and attitude. More than anything, he has to return fighting spirit and professionalism to Pakistan cricket. On a personal level, he has to be his own man. Better to fall by your own decisions than somebody else’s. Better to die with a hero’s cry than a coward’s whimper. Better still to return some joy, passion, and success to the pitiful state of Pakistan cricket.

  196. #196 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 3:37 PM

    The above is an article written by Kamran Abbasi, who I maintain is a very intelligent and balanced writer.

    This article was written almost 2 years ago when Malik was announced as captain. I have pasted it to compare what has happened in these two years.

    1) KA said Malik has looked a smart cricketer. I also supported this view back in mid 2007. However, now Malik looks very insecure and weak.

    2) KA said Malik would need full support from the cricket board. And he has got his full support because rivals like Afridi and Yousuf were undermined and Malik’s tenure has been extended indefinitely and not on a series by series basis.

    3) KA said Malik will have to develop a leadership style but what Malik has done has been disappointing because there is no leadership quality in him.

    4) KA said any hint of favouritism or regionalism must be expelled but those claims are still as resonant now as they were 2 years ago.

    5) KA said 2007 was the time when Fawad Alam or Shahid Yousuf should be selected. Shahid Yousuf was an average player compared to Alam and now Shahid is playing for ICL. Alam however is still amongst the leading batsmen in the country as he has been since 3 years now, but Malik has publicly expressed his reluctance to have Alam in the team.

    6) KA said Akmal needs a break and someone else needs to be groomed. 2 years later, Akmal is still dropping catches but he is being considered as the best keeper in Pakistan.

    7) KA said Malik will have to develop himself because he is not a specialist. Agreed Pakistan didn’t play Test cricket in 2008, but Malik is still not considered to be a specialist.

    Mr Abbasi, what will your verdict be now on Shoaib Malik?

    Isn’t this indication that Pakistan cricket has regressed under Malik?

    It is time we stop blaming senior players for the weaknesses that Malik carries with himself.

    Only in Pakistan can a person be considered a bright prospect despite not delivering over a period of 2 years with the cricket board’s full backing behind him.

  197. #197 by Wasim on January 13, 2009 - 6:16 PM

    Khansahab

    On LS the term Paindoo has become synonymous for Punjabis whether it is a politician or a cricketer this term is being loosely used, it is as racist as it can be, I think it is an extremely uncouth and uncivilized behavior to describe prominent personalities with racial slurs.

  198. #198 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 6:21 PM

    Wasim sahab

    And what is the term “Paindoo” for non Punjabis who are being criticised on LS?

    If it is a racial slur why do Punjabis call themselves this word? I have so many Punjabi friends who call themselves paindoos.

    I also called Miandad a paindoo. Is that a racial slur? Miandad is someone who is described commonly as a mutterwa and bhaiya, not as a paindoo, but I still call him a paindoo and I don’t call him a bhaiya because it’s racist.

  199. #199 by Wasim on January 13, 2009 - 6:21 PM

    Khansahab

    Malik has 85% win record in Odis and T20 its not his fault that Pakistan hasn’t faced top teams so frequently. His test record is not good at all and requires improvement, I think this campaign you have launched against him is motivated by other factors than his record as a captain and can’t be regarded as credible. I think he deserves another extended run.

  200. #200 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 6:32 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Yes you are right.

    My “campaign” is certainly not based on Malik’s performance against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Hong Kong which has given him an 85% win record.

    My campaign against Malik is based on the fact that he has no personality, he behaves like a simpleton, his captaincy has been marred with friction between him and Afridi and Yousuf, his persistence with Akmal and Abdur Rehman is controversial and he has not been able to keep the team united. He also makes silly decisions on the field and he is not a proactive captain. He has neither sharp cricketing acumen, nor does he have the experience Inzamam had. Inzamam was slow and lazy, but he had so much experience which he used to his advantage when making decisions on the field.

    Senior players don’t respect him because even junior players don’t respect him, so how can seniors respect him? Only Akmal respects him. Younis is a yes-man, he will support whoever is captain.

    I can also say you are defending his personality, weak characteristics and favouritism specific mentality because of “other factors”. It is very easy to allege bias and throw dirt on others.

    You can compare the personality, performance and attitude of Malik’s contemporaries like Smith and Dhoni and see yourself what the differences are between them.

    I don’t know if you do this for fun or why you do it. Have you forgotten in April 2007 how I was supporting Malik? If ethnicity was a factor why would I support him back then? I guess there’s no point trying to explain to someone these things who sees everything in terms of race and ethnicity.

  201. #201 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 6:41 PM

    Banned Yousuf hoping for a recall to Pakistan side

    KARACHI: Senior Pakistani batsman Mohammad Yousuf is still harbouring hopes of reviving his international career two months after he was banned
    by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for playing in the rebel Indian Cricket League (ICL).

    In a television interview on Monday night, Yousuf said his first preference is Pakistan and he will continue to hope for a recall to the national duty.

    Yousuf, 34, was banned from all cricket by PCB in November after he joined ICL.

    “I did no crime,” said Yousuf. “I’m just playing cricket (in ICL) and hoping for a recall to the Pakistan team,” said Yousuf, regarded among Pakistan’s most prolific batsmen.

    Yousuf took a swipe at the PCB for banning the country’s ICL players, saying it was towing the line of the Indian cricket board.

    “I fail to comprehend why PCB continues to follow the instruction of the Indian board (over ICL). What have they given us? They even refused to tour Pakistan,” he said referring to India’s decision to cancel its cricket team’s tour of Pakistan because of strained relations between the two governments.

    Yousuf, who has 79 Tests and 269 one-day internationals, also lashed out at Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik saying the all-rounder did not deserve to lead Pakistan.

  202. #202 by Awas on January 13, 2009 - 6:49 PM

    The exact equivalent of the Punjabi slang paindoo in Urdu would be deehaati and in English a country bumpkin. Trust me, I do know.

    Unless someone really is an uncultured villager who may take an offence, I don’t see why a person should be offended by it. Again why hesitate calling spade a spade?

    I really don’t see what all the fuss is about. It’s not like Prince Harry calling his colleague a “paki”.

    Similarly “akhroat” is comparable with “paindoo” in spirit and shouldn’t be considered offensive either.

  203. #203 by Wasim on January 13, 2009 - 7:15 PM

    Khansahab

    Yes you are right he is not the right choice because he has 85% win record.

    And he doesn’t have the right personality either because he doesn’t shove bats in the face of fans, he doesn’t also slap those seeking autographs.

    And we are all sages here who can look into future and see whenever he is going to play oversees he is going to lose.

  204. #204 by Mohammed Munir on January 13, 2009 - 7:16 PM

    An Africa-American calling another African-American the ‘N-word’ is acceptable (we see it even in the movies all the time) and is not taken as severe as a White-American calling an African-American the same ‘N-word’.

    Similarly, a Punjabi calling ‘Paindoo’ to another fellow Punjabi is acceptable, but when someone from a different ethnic background uses the word ‘Paindoo’, it sounds harsher.

    Same goes for colloquial slangs.

  205. #205 by Wasim on January 13, 2009 - 7:21 PM

    Awas

    Have you ever read a comment on LS where somebody called anybody from any other ethnicity a paindoo, aren’t there villages in Sind and Nwfp.

    Or do you think all the politicians and sportsmen hail from metropolitan cities and are highly educated.

  206. #206 by Wasim on January 13, 2009 - 7:23 PM

    Read as all the non punjabi politicians and sportsmen.

  207. #207 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 7:28 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Yes you are ON THE DOT.

    Ba-kaouz, he doesn’t shove bats in faces of people ba-kaouz he is so meek and weak.

    Afridi didn’t slap anyone, he pushed someone away because he had to go for namaaz. I am sure if Malik was sensible and was “paband” of “som-o-salath” rather than fooling around with a B grade movie actress, he would also react in the same way if someone stops him from saying namaz.

    Munir sahab

    We also see 4 lettered swear words in movies all the time. It doesn’t mean it is acceptable. When blacks call each other the N word it isn’t deemed polite or acceptable. It is like “Paki”, which is a derogatory term that was created by whites (the same people who created the N word and other words associated with the word “negro”).

    Paindoo is not the same as the N word and Paki, because Paindoo is a Punjabi word and used commonly by Punjabis for Punjabis.

    It may sound harsh to Punjabi people if a non Punjabi calls them that, but if non Punjabis are calling non Punjabis that same “paindoo” word too, then it shows they are not saying it out of a specific bias, but they are saying it generally for everyone.

  208. #208 by Awas on January 13, 2009 - 7:33 PM

    Wasim

    I think khansahab already clarified that he called Miandad paindoo too.

  209. #209 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 7:38 PM

    Wasim sahab

    https://legslip.com/2008/12/08/cricket-is-the-solution/#comments

    Please see comment no 101 which was made on 18th December re what I said about Miandad.

  210. #210 by Wasim on January 13, 2009 - 7:45 PM

    I think everybody knows over here in which spirit these comments are made it doesn’t accomplish anything other than annoy some people and create hatred.

    My comment was not made to offend anybody I only wanted to make everybody realize that it is not civil to pass on these racial slurs so indiscriminately about prominent people from one ethnicity.

    If you want to make this blog racially malignant than it’s your choice, I think LS was doing a very fine job on the Mumbai incident debate and some other debates about politics but all of a sudden again there is a sudden increase in the use of ridiculing people from one ethnic back ground.

    It’s completely idiotic to expect tolerance and not realize that it might hurt feelings of some people, we talk about uncouthness and uncivilized behavior over here, how uncouth and unrefined it is that we continue stubbornly with this attitude even after knowing that it is not taken nicely by everybody from the ethnic group under attack

    I only came here to contribute to this blog in a healthy manner, which I did by participating in every major debate, I don’t want to see these racial slurs against people belonging to my race, If I see a balance in the comments that is fine and once in a while if somebody vents out his frustration about a certain individual even that is fine, but nonstop racially motivated criticism and propaganda makes me sick.

    Awas might have a higher tolerance level than me, he has a mild personality which I like and admire but people can be different and their tolerance levels can vary.It doesn’t make him right and me wrong.

    I have told honestly what I felt, its up to the management of LS how they want to deal with this issue.

  211. #211 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 7:56 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Awas may be more tolerant than you, but he is also understanding the situation better than you because he has clearly disagreed with you about this paindoo word. He also disagrees with you about Musharraf, about the so called democratic alternative to Musharraf and various other issues.

    You are NOT the representative of a specific race and neither am I or anyone else. No one here is a malicious person who wants harm to come to another person or another race. That is the beauty of this blog.

    That is exactly what I mean when I say you have a tendency to see everything from a racial point of view. You see other Punjabis agreeing with us or abstaining from discussion or maybe even protesting silently, but you consider that to be indicative of the whole Punjabi race. Isn’t that racist and biased in itself, because all types of people come from all races? Not every Urdu Speaker is an MQM supporter. In the same way not every Punjabi thinks like you and there are all types of people everywhere.

    You are assuming that the only differences between you and people like Awas, Ms Raja and DRC is the tolerance level but there is more to it. They see politics differently, they have a different view about governance, social structure, recipe of development and prosperity in the country etc.

    So there are major ideological differences, it doesn’t boil down to merely a tolerance level.

  212. #212 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 8:04 PM

    Omer

    Very good points and I agree with you.

    Freedom of expression is very vital but it should not be misinterpreted.

    I don’t have to worry about saying Malik is not captaincy material because I have supported his batting and also supported his captaincy 2 years ago.

    If anyone wants to assume it’s because of some regional bias then they are in the wrong, not me.

    That is what I keep saying to Wasim sahab, that freedom of expression should be tolerated but only someone who is tolerant can tolerate it. If I think along the same lines as Imran Nazir and say Malik favours people from Sialkot, then that is my opinion and it doesn’t mean I am racially prejudiced.

    Fine, we don’t want to live in a society where a specific race is being maligned but we also don’t want to live in a society where any grievance or complaint about race is dealt with intolerance and bigotry.

  213. #213 by Awas on January 13, 2009 - 8:11 PM

    It is not a laboratory that we can measure tolerance levels of each person.

    What translation is there for paindoo other than what I described? Is “akhroat” any different in this context?

    I wasn’t justifying words like “uncouthness”, “uncivilised”, “unrefined” etc in the same way.

    In any debate no one needs to be convinced by others views. We can only express ourselves freely and protest.

  214. #214 by Abdul on January 13, 2009 - 9:11 PM

    Sorry guys but I have some important commitments over the next week or so in studying for my GCSE’S and therefore won’t be able to post any comments for a while. I shall be back around the Pak-Srilanka series time or even after.

    Have fun and be good. See u soon.

  215. #215 by khansahab on January 13, 2009 - 9:14 PM

    Abul

    Yes we will be good. You be good too and don’t watch pornotography.

  216. #216 by Wasim on January 14, 2009 - 12:12 AM

    Omer

    You only highlighted Malik’s failures but failed to highlight the matches he won, the test series in India was it his fault that two of his best bowlers were injured, was it his fault that against SA he had players like Afridi who couldnt even score 9 runs of the last four overs and hit the second ball he faced in the air and lost his wicket.

    I have already expressed in our previous conversation that Yousaf left for ICL because of his own greed, Malik hasn’t been selecting the team so to blame it on him is mere conspiracy theory.

    A captain is only as good as his team, give the same team to Dhoni and Smith and you won’t see much different results than what you see under Malik.

  217. #217 by Wasim on January 14, 2009 - 12:30 AM

    Khansahab

    So why are you so offended by the term Mutarwaa and Naswar khor be tolerant like Awas, and as I said before let the harmony flow, if Awas or any other person here has different views about Musharraf or democracy that doesn’t make them right or me wrong.

    I don’t care whether you supported Malik or not in the past, racial slurs and picking up trivial personal details and ridiculing somebody on the basis of ethnic ground is uncouth and unrefined behavior in itself.

    In Past you have attributed every failure of Afridi to Malik.

    If he failed in batting up the order you said he changed his batting order so that he could get rid of him.
    If he let him bat down the order you again blamed it on Malik.

    The same way you attributed Fawad’s failure as a bowler on Malik there has been a clear bias in your comments whether you accept it or not.

    Awas

    I didn’t knew that tolerance levels were checked in a laboratory, I was under the impression that educated and refined human beings have an inbuilt quality to understand the tolerance of other people and they don’t make deliberate attempts to provoke others.

  218. #218 by khansahab on January 14, 2009 - 1:35 AM

    Wasim sahab

    I thought belonging to the race that created the word as insulting and derogatory as “muturwaa”, you would know what it means but I guess you don’t.

    If you are equating something commonplace and relatively innocuous like “paindoo” with “muturwaa”, then I think you need help. You are talking about decency and refinement but your idea of decency and refinement is that calling someone backward or villager is the same as calling someone very insignificant and soft like peas, it is not only an insult on character of Muhajirs but also an insult on their physical attributes.

    It’s because of people like you that Altaf Hussein went to India and begged them to take these mutterways back. Wasim sahab, wake up and smell the coffee because they are not Indian agents who want to break Karachi from Punjab. They are genuinely disgusted by the treatment of people like you.

    Your language is very amusing because I never attributed “every” failure of Afridi to Malik. I said Afridi needs an extended run as an opener, which Afridi has asked for himself but Malik has not obliged. Afridi can’t be dropped because of his bowling and if he is not scoring in the middle order he can be tried as opener. I am not unique in holding this view.

    Because of your bias you really don’t pay attention to the fact that Malik does not want Afridi and Fawad Alam in the team.

    I have said Fawad is not even a bowler but should be considered a specialist batsman. It’s a fact that Malik used him very stupidly on a few occasions. Of course I don’t expect the idiot to behave like how Dhoni uses Yuvraj Singh.

    You can think you’re right and I can think I’m right, no need to justify anything to anyone anymore. I even call some of my relatives Paindoo, it’s something about my private life and it needn’t be mentioned but regardless of what I say your biased mind will not understand. Because you are too full of the greatness and glory of Punjab and everything associated with Punjab.

    When did I say Awas is right and you are wrong about Musharraf? I support Musharraf (whom most Punjabis hate)which is a different argument altogether. I said his views are different to yours. I said nothing about who is right and who is wrong. Either you can’t understand what I am writing, or think it’s just your idea of fun and amusement. I certainly don’t find it very funny.

  219. #219 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2009 - 2:16 AM

    Wasim

    The word Paindoo is used all over Pakistan for a simpleton, just like the word Charsi is used for a druggie. It is no more a Punjabi per se word but it is a national word which is used in Urdu and Punjabi both.

    But, the word Niswarkhor idiot & Mutturwa is not used in the same sense. Especially Mutturwaa is a derogatory racial slur which has been created by the Punjabis in hate, to describe a Mohajir.

    The word Mutturwaa is from the vege Muttur or Pea from a pea pod. It is small, tiny, insignificant on its own. So, they say it with a hate, you are as insignificant as a pea!

    The other derogatory racial abuse is the word “Tilliyar” which is used by the Punjabis in describing the Mohajirs. A Tilliyar is a small black migratory bird that flies in flocks from North to South when it is winter in the North. The bird is tiny, small and insignificant. The Punjabis take pride in saying they are black, tiny, ugly and insignificant and they have come to Pakistan from India just like Tilliyars and they say it either in hate or to ridicule them.

    Now, you must also know what is the equivalent of these two words, Mutturwaa and Tilliyar, which the Mohajirs use in describing the Punjabis (it is not the word Paindoo, but,) it is DUGGAA and CHOW-PAYA.

    A Dugga is worst than a paindoo, a bay hungam, huge, brainless giant and a Chow-Paya is basically a jaanwar.


    So, no one on this blog called any Punjabi a Dugga or a ChowPaya.

    Hence your calling Mutturwaa is a initiation and there is no need for you to repeat it again by asking khansahab: “why are you offended by the word Mutturwaa?” Of course he will be, because he didn’t call you with a derogatory name or hurled a racial abuse on you or “your race”

    Akhroat is used in the same sense as a Paindoo. But, your NiswarKhor Idiot is a bit too much coming out of your mouth and yet you try to play the role of a civilized, educated, refined gentleman and you say may be Awas is more tolerant? Actually, Awas is very refined, educated, civilized gentleman who has a touch of class and finesse and he is way above being simply a tolerant Punjabi. These qualities come with upbringing and grooming and not simply by going to a school.

    In India the equivalent of Paindoo or uneducated, uncouth people is:Jaats and Raangurrs.

    In South India, they say Gond and Bheels….. (there is a race called Gonds who are basically Dravidians and some are still in the wilderness using bow and arrows).

    In Telugu Desum, the equivalent of Paindoo is Pandu Ranga Rao. But, that is mainly for joking purposes only. It is neither serious nor derogatory in nature.

  220. #220 by Sweetie on January 14, 2009 - 3:37 AM

    Wasim, i couldn’t help but notice, ure passion towards the ‘mutarwas, paindoos & niswar khor idiots’. But that just made me wonder what does that make u? A bi-product of mutarwas & niswar khors? Or a tri-product of mutarwas, paindoos & niswar khor idiots? U gotta BE a someone right, unless ure from ‘Planet superior’! =)

  221. #221 by Wasim on January 14, 2009 - 6:36 AM

    Khansahab

    If anybody needs help its you, you think you have the right to utter what ever you want and nobody has the right to say anything back to you, it doesn’t work like this in real world when you throw stones at others sometimes you get a brick in return.

    And its people like you that thugs like Altaf Politically survive in this day and age and are revered like a god.

    If you have forgotten all the fiction you wrote about how Malik was destroying Afridi’s career due to your amnesia its not my fault.

  222. #222 by Wasim on January 14, 2009 - 7:11 AM

    Javed

    “Hence your calling Mutturwaa is a initiation and there is no need for you to repeat it again by asking khansahab: “why are you offended by the word Mutturwaa?” Of course he will be, because he didn’t call you with a derogatory name or hurled a racial abuse on you or “your race””

    Was my comment directed toward Khansahab?

    Absolutely not and you know that.

    Since you guys constantly use this term “Paindoo Captain” so I thought we should have a complete list of captains with different popular ethnic slurs, and let the harmony flow.

    Mulk aur Qaum ki Izzat mein izaffa ho ga.

    I don’t need a lecture about decency from you as I read your comments full of decency every day. You use racial slurs in every comment of yours who gave you that right? nobody here is a superior life form.

    If you have the right to call Punjabi players Paindoo then I reserve the right to use which ever term for players from Karachi or elsewhere, freedom of expression is a universal right.

  223. #223 by khansahab on January 14, 2009 - 11:52 AM

    Wasim sahab

    You are the one who is using muturwaa very lightly here, not me.

    To say I revere Altaf is just a lame argument because no one in my family has ever supported him and I have repeated this fact many times. However if someone is so biased or so inept that he can’t understand that the word “muturwaa” is in a different league to “paindoo”, then I can understand how people like Altaf come about and don’t use diplomacy. Because, I am using diplomacy and decency with you here and you are not understanding the basic difference between what is just a common word Punjabis use for themselves, and what is something biased and inhumane Punjabis have made for Muhajirs. Now don’t start wailing about me calling all Punjabis biased, because Awas didn’t even know until yesterday what “muturwaa” was. So it is difficult for you to understand but there ARE Punjabis who are different to you.

    Now you can’t say in return that you also don’t use muturwaa, because according to you it is the same as “paindoo”. If Punjabis can use “paindoo” very easily to describe themselves then they must be using muturwaa very easily too.

    I told you a while ago that aggression, disproportionate revenge and confrontation is encouraged by some Punjabis in their culture. You are proving me right by responding to “paindoo” with “muturwaa” (which is disproportionate). The travesty is that you are very proud of it and think it is a very noble and defensible act. This is not an eye for an eye, this is disproportionate bigotry and disproportionate oppression and a bigger evil. The reason why MQM used guns and oppression (which I condemn strongly, but I can NOW understand why they do it) is because you can’t deal in peaceful measures and diplomacy with people who take pride in being confrontational and use disproportionate acts to oppress others.

    Now you will say MQM also uses confrontation and disproportionate acts, but the basic difference is, taking pride in these things is not in their culture. They had no reason to exist had it not been for people like you. You are in the majority. You are using muturwaa. You are the ones who got the best deal out of Partition. It is people like you who think it is OK to talk in Punjabi if a minority person is sitting in the same group. You think it is OK to equate “muturwaa” with “paindoo”. The problem is with you.

  224. #224 by Steeler on January 14, 2009 - 1:17 PM

    Wasim

    You pretended like the guy with the morals and labeled the rest on LS as uncouth and uncivilized but look in the mirror and ask yourself who you are and see if you find it ironic. What makes me laugh at guys like you that you will say anything and everything hiding behind a key board but I’m sure you don’t have the balls to say what you have said like “Mutarwaa and Naswar khor” to another man face to face. So keep blabbing hiding behind a keyboard you sweet little pus*y 🙂

    Gotta go to a meeting but will be back latter.

  225. #225 by Awas on January 14, 2009 - 1:30 PM

    This discussion is now drifting aimlessly, heading nowhere.

    Despite explanations and meanings provided for various racial slurs the ones who do not want to understand still won’t understand the differences.

    khansahab, other than the “M” word, there are many other words mentioned here which are new to me.

    Without going into the debate again of how good or bad the words are, my suggestion is that other than “paindoo” and “akhroat”, all other words which really are racist should be banned here.

  226. #226 by khansahab on January 14, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    Senators warn Ijaz Butt to put his house in order

    KARACHI: Pakistan cricket bosses on Tuesday came under heavy fire after failing to come up with appropriate answers to queries thrown at them by Senators probing into national cricket affairs.

    Ijaz Butt, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman, was severely criticised by some members of the Senate’s Standing Committee on Sports and Culture at a meeting in Islamabad over a variety of issues ranging from the Board’s financial position to its controversial manner of hiring and firing.

    The committee decided to summon another meeting on February 9 after the PCB top brass claimed that the previous Board set-up is responsible for the fiasco that is currently dogging Pakistan cricket.

    It was decided that former PCB chairman Nasim Ashraf, chief operating officer Shafqat Naghmi and the contractors involved in a controversial development project at Lahore’s Gaddafi Stadium will also be summoned for the meeting to bring them face to face with the current cricket chiefs.

    Two of the Senators contacted by ‘The News’ said they were utterly disappointed at the unprofessional manner in which the PCB officials defended themselves.

    So irritated was the committee at the “lack of professionalism shown” by the PCB chief that one of the Senators warned him that the Board could become an embarrassment for President Asif Zardari — PCB’s chief patron — if Butt didn’t put his house in order.

    “I told him (Butt) to put his house in order otherwise it would become a source of embarrassment for the president,” Senator Enver Baig, one of the committee members, told ‘The News’ after the meeting. “We’ve told him that the honeymoon is over and now concrete measures should be taken by the Board for the betterment of Pakistan cricket,” he added.

    Another committee member — Senator Haroon Akhtar — told this correspondent that Board officials seem to be running PCB as if it was a “business owned by somebody’s father”.

    “The current PCB officials are now making Dr Nasim Ashraf look like a saint,” said Haroon referring to former PCB chairman, who was often criticised by the committee during his two-year tenure that ended last August.

    The Senate committee had summoned a meeting with the PCB officials to probe allegations of serious financial discrepancies in the Board’s accounts as well the controversial process of hiring and firing carried out under Butt’s supervision.

    Butt and Saleem Altaf, PCB’s chief operating officer, appeared before the committee that included Senators Rozina Alam Khan, Rehana Baloch, Tariq Azeem Khan, Tahir Husssain Mashadi, Nilofar Bakhtiar, Haroon Akhtar, Enver Baig and Abdul Rahim Khan Mandokhel. Also present were Federal Sports Minister Pir Aftab Shah Jilani and Ashraf Khan, the secretary sports.

    “But we were disappointed at the fact that the PCB officials did not come with the balance sheets for the last six months, something that the committee has demanded,” said Senator Haroon.

    He said that the committee was alarmed at the fact that PCB’s reserve funds have depleted from Rs 3.3 billion to Rs 1.2 billion within a year. “But the Board officials were unable to give appropriate reasons for the huge losses. They just blamed the former Board officials for everything.”

    Haroon said that Butt has promised to minimise losses by reducing the salaries of the Board employees by 50 percent. “The PCB chairman, however, was unable to give us a plan to achieve that tough target,” said the Senator, who pointed out that the salaries of the Board employees, apart from the payments made to the players, ballooned to a whopping Rs 30 million a month last year.

    Haroon also took a swipe at the current PCB management over its practice of hiring or firing Board officials without following any proper procedure.

    “It has come to our knowledge that the PCB has fired people after a brief discussion and appointed people on key positions without advertising for the jobs. They are running the Board as if it’s somebody’s father’s business. We have told them in clear words that PCB belongs to the people of Pakistan and should be run professionally”.

    He went on to add, “The way things are progressing, PCB seems to be heading towards a complete disaster.” The Senators also took serious note of the accusations traded by the PCB and Naghmi over the Gaddafi Stadium project which the current officials claim is causing huge losses to the Board because of financial irregularities committed by the former COO.

    “The Board officials told us that a project that was supposed to be completed for Rs 142 million remains unfinished even though Rs 471 million have been spent on it. They accused the former PCB officials for the losses but had no evidence whatsoever,” said Haroon.

    The committee is now planning to probe the matter during the February 9 meeting that promises to be an explosive one.

    Butt was also grilled over the appointment of Javed Miandad as the Board’s Director General. “Mr Butt told us that Miandad’s salary hasn’t been decided yet,” said Baig. “We asked him what sort of a Board is he running where somebody is hired for a very senior position without even taking a decision over his salary package,” he added.

    The Senators also lambasted Butt for criticising the previous PCB set-up in spite of the fact that he served as a member of the PCB Governing Board when Nasim Ashraf was chairman.

  227. #227 by khansahab on January 14, 2009 - 2:29 PM

    I had certainly never heard the words “Duggaa” and “Chowpaya” before.

    I also didn’t know what “muturwaa and tilliyar” mean until yesterday. I have been called “muturwaa” and my family has been called that many times by various people, directly and indirectly, but I never heard this “tilliyar”.

  228. #228 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2009 - 3:32 PM

    Wasim you are telling me that::” I don’t need a lecture about decency from you as I read your comments full of decency every day. You use racial slurs in every comment of yours who gave you that right? nobody here is a superior life form.

    If you have the right to call Punjabi players Paindoo then I reserve the right to use which ever term for players from Karachi or elsewhere, freedom of expression is a universal right.

    YOU wanna try that Wasim? Here? On THIS blog? Please don’t give us threats, we are not at your mercy, its the other way round. Do you really think that you are doing us a favour by enlightening us with your judicious knowledge and wisdom by your so called “contribution” to this blog?

    Actually, you are finding this blog a perfect platform to vent out your frustration. There is always a limit that we can allow the frustration to be aired. If the air becomes polluted with the stench, then we don’t use gas masks we put a lid on the source. This is just a nice way of telling you without using any profane lingo. If you wish to “contribute” in that fashion, then this is not the place.

    Awas:

    Barring V-talk jokes and light comments, I am agree, we won’t approve abusive racial slurs on this blog.

  229. #229 by Wasim on January 14, 2009 - 6:56 PM

    Javed

    What happened to the freedom of expression?:)

    Do you think this is the only blog in the world to express your opinion?

    I came here because Khansahab kept on chasing me where ever I was writing?

    So I though if he is so dying to interact with me then why not here.

    ” If the air becomes polluted with the stench, then we don’t use gas masks we put a lid on the source.”

    It will continue to be polluted with the stench and I don’t think you are going to use the lids for the stench created by your own remarks.

    Have a blessed life.

  230. #230 by hammad on January 14, 2009 - 6:58 PM

    guys cut down on the abuse will you. Paindoo is offensive if meant in insulting way. it doesnt matter if its in punjabi or sindhi. muturwaa is a very bad term and i agree it is worse than paindoo. so u have to be a lot more careful u dont spit out terms like that as they are offensive to a particular race and they mean much worse than normal words like paindoo or akhroat.

  231. #231 by Wasim on January 14, 2009 - 6:59 PM

    Steeler

    Aren’t you hiding behind a keyboard?

  232. #232 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 14, 2009 - 8:42 PM

    Wasim

    I don’t think khansahab was chasing you ever. Nor he was desperate to hear your kind words of wisdom or, your judicious knowledge or, the expertise of everything in the world that you possess. He must have responded to your claptrap because, he is not a wuss. And I know he was approached by some guy to write on his blog where you wanted to ‘stamp your authority with your verbose’. I don’t think he writes there any more.

    And for your information YES, we are enjoying a blessed life, and that is why you came here despite all that, and you and you know what? So now; “May YOU live in interesting times.”

  233. #233 by khansahab on January 14, 2009 - 9:11 PM

    Wasim sahab

    Thanks for trying to degrade me, but I wasn’t dying to see you on this blog.

    When you left your first comment, the 3 of us had a joint consultation and came to the conclusion that we will let you contribute as long as you don’t use abusive language.

    If I interacted with you on a different blog, showing maturity and treating you with respect (unlike you who made comments directed at me while talking to others), it doesn’t mean I was dying to interact with you.

  234. #234 by khansahab on January 14, 2009 - 9:48 PM

    I was watching the interview of Mansoor Amjad and I liked his dedication. At a relatively young age he also appears more refined and savvy than his contemporaries. That is probably because he has been representing top level teams for some time and he has also played county cricket in the UK.

    Mansoor is from Sialkot and somehow I was not surprised when the Geo Tv presenter asked him this:

    “Aap Sialkot sey hain, aur Pakistan key kaptaan bhi Sialkot key hain aur woh aapko bohot support kar rahay hain, toh aap team mai kyun nahi nazar aatey”?

    Some of his Sialkot team mates were also interviewed and this is what they had to say about Sialkot’s captain, Shoaib Malak:

    “Nahin woh zabardast kaptaan hai, uss ney hamay bohot sikhaya hai aur bohot kuch bata tha rehta hai gameplan key baaray mai”

    “hamari kaamyaabi ka raaz hamara kaptaan hai jiss ney hamay united rakha hai”

    etc etc

  235. #235 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2009 - 2:15 AM

    Javed – What happened to the freedom of expression? Do you think this is the only blog in the world to express your opinion? 🙂 Wasim

    LOL …. Soop Bolay tou Bolay, Chhanni Kya Bolay? We don’t ban IP addresses here, we are more tolerant than others. And who has tied you here with a “Killa” ?

  236. #236 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2009 - 4:11 PM

    Charsi Asaf is running around like a headless chicken in a vain attempt to recover money from the IPL and going to Delhi today. Then, the next week he has to appear before the IPL tribunal in Mumbai on charges of doping. He is going to Delhi so that his one visit visa is consumed and then he can avoid the Mumbai tribunal. Lets wait and see if that’s the real intention. He is a paindoo who may not have thought about such intricacies but, his lawyer who is accompanying him must have.

    Asaf has admitted that he consumed opium in 2008 and, that has created an interest in the ICC boardroom and they are keen to nail him down on that basis.

    What I don’t understand is why the PCB management, the Selectors, the Pakistani Senators and the Ministers are so much interested in Asaf’s innocence and making all out effort to prove him innocent, when he is NOT. This is not the first time Asaf has admitted that he has been taking drugs or banned substances. The fact is he is a druggie, a CHARSI and, he has spoiled and ruined the name of his country hence, he does not deserve any sympathies from anyone.

    Whoever supports him is equally responsible of promoting drugs and they should be condemned. The PCB should not waste any money on him not even by setting up a committee or an inquiry commission to find out the facts. The guy has admitted openly that he is addicted and he takes drugs so, the facts are there and the Dubai government has also sent documents confirming that he had opium in his possession. What more do you want?

  237. #237 by khansahab on January 15, 2009 - 8:01 PM

    Why Sri Lanka cricket is subservient to BCCI:

    SLC sold to India for 10 years

    Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC) has entered into a ten-year deal with the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), a leading newspaper in Colombo said on Wednesday.

    “Sri Lanka Cricket has been sold to India for a period of 10 years for a grand sum of $45 million,” the newspaper said in an article.

    “At a time when various cricket boards in the world and the International Cricket Council are showing concern on the way the cash rich Indian board is trying to manipulate cricket, SLC has become the latest pawn to fall prey to the BCCI,” it said.

    “The deal was confirmed at the Sri Lanka Cricket headquarters yesterday (Tuesday) in the presence of N. Srinivasan, the secretary of the BCCI, Gamini Lokuge, the minister of sports and Duleep Mendis, the CEO of SLC,” it said.

    “We have finalised a 10-year agreement with India,” Lokuge told the media.

    As per the agreement, the SLC has agreed to release the players for the Indian Premier League and the Champions League for the next 10 years, support the BCCI on the ICL issue and also strengthen relationship with them.

    While India’s tour to Sri Lanka will bring in millions of television revenue, the agreement to free players to participate in the IPL and participation of a local team in the Champions League starting next year will also give them approximately $45 million during the ten-year period.

    The deal certainly looks lucrative for people who want to keep Arjuna Ranatunga out of the SLC. It’s now known that some in the BCCI wanted to be “absolutely sure” that the World Cup-winning captain and Member of Parliament wouldn’t be allowed to make a comeback as chairman of SLC.

    Significantly, before he was sacked late last month, Ranatunga lifted the ban on players who had aligned themselves with the ICL.

    As per the agreement to be signed next month, not only will former players like Maravan Atapattu and Russel Arnold not be able to play in any domestic tournaments because of their ICL links, they will also be deprived of holding any position at the board or be involved with any other matters pertaining to the sport including cricket commentaries.

  238. #238 by khansahab on January 15, 2009 - 8:12 PM

    This is pathetic for world cricket that a cricket board has been bought by another cricket board.

    PCB can now expect no favours from Sri Lanka cricket and I think Pakistan will now play very less cricket with Sri Lanka.

    Pakistan is clearly being marginalised but whatever the injustices of the rest of the world are against Pakistan, PCB should also be blamed for mismanaging cricket in Pakistan. PCB’s corruption and incompetence can be seen from every angle, whether that is appointment of the captain, selection procedure, managing grounds, managing revenue, relationship between administrators etc.

  239. #239 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 15, 2009 - 8:42 PM

    What a shame and what a “disgustipatingly” pathetic decision from the Sri Lankan Cricket Board to sell their soul to the BCCI.

    Who says cricket is being institutionalized? It is actually “Prostitutionalized” and those who are involved in these deals are mere pimps of the game.

    I quite agree that Sri Lanka will now be a pawn and a puppet for India for the next 10 years. And, I also agree with the comments that the PCB are themselves to be blamed for being so unprofessional and uncompetitive that they have screwed themselves and the country and ruined the game of cricket in Pakistan.

    The PCB with its current management, probably has the worst people on its board. Especially the likes of Saleem Altaf a nincompoop and an utter idiot of the highest caliber. His earlier tenure during DNA’s regime proved how incompetent he was when he handled Waqar Younus’s case. Bringing him back is the biggest mistake. But, this is Pakistan where all the Chor, Luteray and Daku’s come back to rule same is the case in government and semi-government organizations. Therefore, the people are to be blamed for choosing these people and or, accepting them as their leaders and administrators.

    A person like Zardari who because of the virtue of being the President of Pakistan is also the Patron in Chief of the PCB, has no stake and no interest in the country. All his assets are outside, all his children are outside Pakistan and he keeps everything else outside the country except his wife’s Mausoleum and that is only to fool the masses that she is still alive. Ignorance is bliss.

  240. #240 by khansahab on January 15, 2009 - 11:32 PM

    Wasim Akram is now “keen” to help Pakistan cricket. What a coincidence this has happened when Indians have come very strongly at Pakistanis and are harassing Pakistanis living in India?

    I am keen to help Pakistan Cricket: Wasim Akram

    Wasim Akram, Pakistan former Test captain offered his support to Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB). “I’m keen to help Pakistan cricket. PCB has to ask me to do it. If they approach me I am ready to help them.”
    Akram had been working as a guest coach at a training camp being held in Lahore for young fast bowlers and the PCB former chief, Nasim Ashraf has made no secret of his desire to have Akram coach the national team full-time.

    Since last two years, Akram was rubbishing the rumors that he had been approached by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to take over the national team coaching job, and speculation were circulating in wake of healthy relation with Ashraf, Akram was nearly signed up for the coaching job.

    But, Akram had dismissed all reports linking him to the job but he had stated that if the PCB offered him a job that met his conditions he would consider it. “There has been no offer,” he said. “Nobody from the board has approached me officially or unofficially with anything. Ultimately it would depend on a number of things,” Akram.

    However, despite having no convincing relation with the present setup of cricket board, Akram believes, “Now that the Pakistan cricket body is run by cricketers, it is on the right track. So in a couple of years everything should be in place.”

    He expressed his willingness to offer his support to PCB but said that till now they had not approached him in this regard.

    Since, Pakistan has not played any Test throughout the last calendar year and Pakistan was hoping to revive their Test cricket by playing their scheduled Test and ODI series against India but the Indian government refused to send their team to Pakistan for three Tests and five limited-overs matches in January and February after accusing Pakistani citizens of being involved in the November terror attacks on Mumbai.

    Akram does feel that the Pakistan Cricket Board is facing the heat. “Pakistan needs to play cricket regularly. It has been more than a year since Pakistan have played Test cricket.”

    But he refuses to agree that India cancelling the tour will affect the bilateral relations between the two countries. “Whatever happened was really bad. I think time is the biggest healer. Everybody felt for whatever happened in India. The way Indian people showed calmness and unity, it was commendable. We support them. Now India is the number one cricket team and Pakistan needs to play India to improve their game, hopefully it will happen soon.”

    The paceman also had a word of caution for PCB noting that less cricket can result in players looking out for other options. “If Pakistan does not play international cricket couple of players might go to ICL. “If you just pay them also it doesn’t matter as they still want to play. The next step is Sri Lanka touring Pakistan and probably in October Pakistan visit Australia which will be a tough tour since they have not played Test cricket for a long time.”

  241. #241 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 16, 2009 - 12:24 AM

    I am keen to help Pakistan Cricket: Wasim Akram

    Now the Indians have kicked him out he is now back to where he belongs, “Jithay Dee Khotee Uthay Aan Khalotee.” He should get a kick on his Butt, saala bay sharam. I haven’t seen a more greedy player than him.

    Till 1992 when Pakistan won the WC final and a little after that, he was still my hero, I used to say what a great bowler and what great player he is. But, then he was caught in the Caribbean on the beach with dope and then we heard about his match fixing rumours which were later confirmed especially in the 1996 WC quarterfinals against India where he reportedly took 1 corore 40 lakh rupees and opted out. The game against Bangladesh in England he fixed it. He was more guilty than any other player but he was exonerated because of his celebrity status. Whereas, Salim Malik, Ijaz Ahmad, Ata ur Rahman were banned.

    When he was asked by the PCB to help the young fast bowlers he demanded, first you create a fast bowlers FUND and make me in-charge of that and then I will consider. Obviously with his shady background who would have trusted him with money? In other words he got a nip in the bud and then he went to India. The Indians wanted to take advantage of him, Irfan Pathan’s example is in front of us that he was coaching him and then he got contracts from their TV companies and ad agencies and like Adnan Sami Khan he was living in India, like an Indian PUPPET.

  242. #242 by khansahab on January 16, 2009 - 2:55 PM

    Sehwag and Steyn win top Cricinfo Awards

    Virender Sehwag’s match-winning 201 not out against Sri Lanka, and Dale Steyn’s 5 for 67 at the MCG, which helped South Africa win a series in Australia for the first time, have been voted the best Test performances of 2008 by the Cricinfo jury. Sehwag’s double-hundred won the prize for the Test Batting Performance of the year by a whisker from Graeme Smith’s series-winning 154 not out against England at Edgbaston.

    The winning ODI performances both came from the same match, the Asia Cup final between Sri Lanka and India: Sanath Jayasuriya’s 125 off 114 balls and Ajantha Mendis’ 6 for 13.

    “It was a breathtaking double-century and it came against a remarkable spin attack,” Tony Greig, one of the members of the jury that voted on the awards, said of Sehwag’s innings. “Sehwag is, and will be for a while, the most dangerous batsman in world cricket.”

    The rest of the jury comprised Ian Chappell, Sanjay Manjrekar, David Lloyd, Ramiz Raja, Daryll Cullinan, and five of Cricinfo’s senior editors.
    The lists of nominees, announced in the first week of this year, were compiled by Cricinfo’s global staff. The winners were selected on the basis of a ranking of the performances by the jury, with the players who fetched the most points winning the respective awards. Smith’s Edgbaston effort, a favourite, lost out by a single point.

    Mendis has been hailed as one of the most exciting new talents in the game, and his win underlines his growing reputation. “Players like him are difficult to find. He is great for the game and we all want his magic to last,” Raja said.

    Sachin Tendulkar missed out on the jury awards, but he was clearly the favourite with Cricinfo’s readers, winning in the Test and ODI batting categories in the Readers’ Choice segment of the awards. Tendulkar’s match-winning 103 not out in Chennai against England was voted the best Test innings, while his unbeaten 117 against Australia in the first final of the CB Series won the ODI title. The readers agreed with the jury in the bowling awards, though, with Steyn and Mendis taking the prize for Tests and ODIs.

    Sehwag also won a number of titles in the Statsguru Awards, which are based on detailed data analyses of the year’s performances. In both Tests and ODIs he was the batsman with the highest strike-rate in the year, and the one with the highest boundary percentage. Shivnarine Chanderpaul was the other big winner in the Statsguru Awards, taking the titles for Batsman of the Year, Most Consistent Batsman in Tests, and the one for highest percentage of team runs scored by a single batsman in Tests.

    This is the second edition of the Cricinfo Awards. Last year’s winners were Kumar Sangakkara and Zaheer Khan in Tests and Adam Gilchrist and Lasith Malinga in ODIs.

  243. #243 by khansahab on January 16, 2009 - 2:57 PM

    Some top ODI awards won by Younis

    BEST ODI BATSMAN

    Younis Khan
    Pakistan got little opportunity to play international cricket against meaningful opposition in 2008, but the few chances they got, Younis made them count: in eight ODIs against the top teams he scored 528 runs at 75.42 and at a strike-rate of 94.28. Multiply the average by the runs per ball, and his ODI batting index was 71.11. Virender Sehwag had a great ODI year too, averaging 47.25 at a rate of 113.17, for an index of 53.47.

    LOWEST DOT-BALL PERCENTAGE

    Younis Khan:O
    Younis was the only batsman to have a dot-ball percentage of less than 50: 42.65%. Pietersen was next at 50.45, while Shah was third with 51.16.

    HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF TEAM RUNS SCORED

    Younis Khan
    Younis, with 24.55% (528 out of 2151) beat Chris Gayle (21.68) and Chanderpaul (20.47), who were the only others to get more than 20% of the team runs scored in matches which they played.

    HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF TEAM RUNS IN WINS
    (cut-off: 300 runs in wins)

    Younis Khan
    Younis swept this one as well, scoring 422 out of Pakistan’s 1424 runs in their five wins against the top teams in 2008, for a percentage of 29.63.

  244. #244 by khansahab on January 16, 2009 - 2:58 PM

    India world’s strongest cricket team: Wasim Akram

    DUBAI: Former Pakistan cricketer Wasim Akram feels that India have emerged as the strongest team in world cricket. Akram also rated pace
    spearhead Zaheer Khan as the best bowler in the cricket world.

    “India have won against Australia at home and away, and beaten England and South Africa,” the Gulf News quoted Akram as saying. “I will admit that South Africa are the best only if they do well in India during their tour,” he said

    Asked who he would pick as the world’s best bowler, Akram said: “Without doubt Zaheer Khan is the best. He has improved his bowling. He can swing the ball both ways and also get it to reverse swing. He can also bowl close to the wicket, wide of the crease and round the wicket.”

    One of the finest left arm pacers in the sport’s history, Akram had bagged 414 Test wickets and 502 wickets in One-dayers during his international career.

    Akram has in the past provided tips to Khan. The former Pakistani captain also expressed disappointment at the cancellation of the Indian tour of Pakistan following the Mumbai terror attacks.

    He said that if Pakistan did not get to play international cricket, the country would lose more players to the Twenty20 Indian Cricket League (ICL), which is not recognised by the Indian cricket board.

    “If cricketers do not get enough opportunity to play the game they will leave… So Pakistan should play international cricket either at home or abroad at any cost,” he said.

    Pakistan would find their tour to Australia in October this year really tough after having not played Test cricket for nearly a year, Akram added.

  245. #245 by Steeler on January 16, 2009 - 3:25 PM

    Khansahab, I’ve always been echoing for Younis. He is the best batsman we have. The departure of Yousuf will hurt Pak team more than one way. These two were the pillars of our batting and unless some other players step up, we will find ourselves in trenches more than often.

    Shoaib Malik will make a good girl friend not a captain.

  246. #246 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 16, 2009 - 3:38 PM

    India world’s strongest cricket team: Wasim Akram

    khansahab,
    Vo India ka namak khaya hai so he will speak for sometime like that, in the hope that when relations would be normal he gets his job back.

    See, first he provided tips to Irfan Pathan then to Zaheer Khan. And, do you remember what Mohammad Akram said (while he was commentating) ? He, said, a few of our Pakistani young bowlers approached Wasim Akram and asked for some tips and he very rudely told them to buzz off. I think yae kuch naam heee ka Chakkar aur Chakkram hai. 🙂

  247. #247 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 16, 2009 - 3:40 PM

    Theo and khansahab yeah, if Pakistan had played more matches then obviously Younus Khan would have had some chance for being there among the top batsmen of the year 2008 like MoYo was a couple of years ago.

  248. #248 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 16, 2009 - 4:05 PM

    Btw, last night ODI between Aus & SA was good, in the end it was Albie Morkel who changed the game and it became a thriller. I watched it and thats why I am up so late and its time for Jummah.

  249. #249 by khansahab on January 16, 2009 - 9:08 PM

    Omer

    Just a few points:

    Wasim Akram has himself stated previously that he does not have the patience to be a full time coach.

    About India, I know they have a high win ratio at home. I don’t think they are the best team, but I do think they are the 3rd best team after South Africa and Australia. I don’t think we should highlight performance at home so much because there are other factors that come into account. All subcontinental teams and all subcontinental players perform much better in the subcontinent. If you look at the batting stats of all great Pakistani batsmen, from Miandad to Inzamam, you will see they average in the 50s at home but something like 30 abroad.

    I am not arguing India is the no 1 team and I agree they need to win more abroad if they are to be classified as the no 1 team. Zaheer was exceptional in 2008 but before that he was hardly ever in the top 10.

    About Wasim Akram, I don’t think he is very concerned about his “izzat” because he is one of the most disgraced Pakistanis the world has known. He has a history of drugs, accusations of ball tampering, match fixing, and since his retirement he has spent more time in India than in Pakistan and he has done very little to help Pakistan cricket. I know you think he can do what he likes because he is like an ordinary citizen, but he is NOT an ordinary citizen because the country has given him so much fame and glory across the world.

    If our past cricketers like Miandad and Wasim were working in academies with youngsters, imagine how much that would have helped the youngsters. These people have decades of experience which is invaluable and which no one else has, simply because no one else has seen international cricket through their eyes for so long.

  250. #250 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 12:02 PM

    Malik hails PCB’s new team selection policy

    Karachi: Captain Shoaib Malik has welcomed Pakistan Cricket Board’s new selection policy of allowing the team management to pick the final playing eleven for every international match.

    Previously, the national selection committee had the authority to pick the final eleven after consulting the captain and coach.

    However, under the changed policy, the selectors will now give a 15-member squad for every match or tour and the captain, coach and manager will select the playing eleven for each match.

    “It is a good decision because the captain and coach know best what is required before every match. It will give them confidence,” Malik said in Lahore.

    He pointed out that the captain and coach are responsible for the team’s performance and have to make a game plan before every match.

    “So I have always felt they should have the right to pick the final playing eleven,” he added.

    Malik and former coach Geoff Lawson had several brushes with the former chief selector Salahuddin Ahmed on the issue of the final playing eleven.

    Malik, who was recently retained indefinitely as captain by the PCB, said he was doing his best to work closely with the selectors as the eventual aim of both the parties was to see the best team play for Pakistan.

    Malik also said his team had started preparations for the coming one-day series against Sri Lanka and were working on several plans to counter the threat posed by Lankan spin duo of Muttiah Muralitharan and Ajantha Mendis.

    “No doubt both teams are strong in spin department but Sri Lanka depends on them a lot. But I think our batsmen have the capability of playing them well and neutralising them in the coming series,” Malik said. He pointed out that Bangladesh had defeated Sri Lanka yesterday in the ongoing tri-series despite the Lankans playing both spinners.

    “I think the more Mendis plays the more the batsmen will start picking him up and his variations. He will then have to improve and come up with new variations to remain on top in his career,” Malik noted.

    Sri Lanka are due to play two back-to-back one-dayers in Karachi on January 20 and 21 and then the third one in Lahore on January 24 before they return home and take on India for an ODI series.

    Mendis has so far kept the Indian and Pakistani batsmen guessing and dominated them in last year’s Asia Cup in Pakistan.

    He was also on top when India toured Sri Lanka last year for a Test and ODI series taking 26 wickets in the Test matches.

    Malik said there were no clear favourites in the coming series but it would be a close contest as both sides were evenly matched.

    Although Pakistan has included six pace bowlers in their 15-member squad, the captain predicted that due to cold weather, the pitches would favor the batsmen in the coming series.

  251. #251 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 12:28 PM

    Steeler,

    I agree about Younis. In the past 2 years he has improved substantially and with the departure of Yousuf he is the best batsman in the team. Misbah has excellent domestic credentials but so far he has not done anything to prove he is the same calibre of Younis, Yousuf or Inzamam. Misbah is the best in T20.

    Younis has not had a very consistent career and there have been occasions when I’ve felt he should have been dropped. However, since last year he has been fabulous and I am now beginning to understand Imran Khan and Ramiz Raja’s “keep the match winner in” philosophy.

    Ramiz Raja has been an ardent supporter of Afridi until last year, when he started criticising Afridi. However, Raja has said before that a captain needs to identify the match winners and separate them from the “bits and pieces” players. What the captain needs to do is, never do anything to undermine the confidence of the match winners because that will not help.

    In the Pakistan team the current match winning batsmen are Younis and Afridi. That is because, you can never tell how they will perform. They can do something amazing against the best sides in the most difficult circumstances.

    I was watching the interview of Islahuddin, who has been a prominent hockey player for Pakistan. He said the same thing, that Afridi should NEVER have been dropped from the team and he should not be discouraged.

    With all the respect in the world to Malik, who I think is a decent ODI player, his batting technique and Test performance has been under the scanner. The problem is the captain of the Pakistan team does not have a guaranteed place in the Test team on merit, and we are expecting this guy to make decisions about who the match winners are and who the “bits and pieces” players are?

    Misbah CAN become a match winner but for that he needs to win matches and finish matches first. He is a proper, orthodox batsman and silly shots don’t really suit him. Apart from subcontinent teams the only exposure he has had has been against South Africa, and he failed miserably against them.

    You need to identify those players who can do something special, like Inzamam, like Younis Khan, like Afridi, and you need to keep them in the team. The difference between Inzamam and Yousuf is although Yousuf has a better record, he has not been a match winner and finisher like Inzamam.

    The other problem with Younis has been his place batting at no 3. He should ALWAYS have batted below as he bats in domestic cricket, from no 4-6. His career has suffered because he is one of the best players of spin in the world, but he has been performing as a makeshift opener all his career which has affected his consistency.

  252. #252 by Abdul on January 17, 2009 - 12:56 PM

    Yes guys I also agree that Younis Khan has become the best batsmen in the Pakistan line up and has stepped into the shoes of the great Inzamam-Ul-Huq.Other than that I would rate Imran Nazir as the greatest opener currently available to utilise and is probably at the peak of his playing days in these 2 or 3 years but for some odd reason there neglecting his talent due to being “scared” of BCCI and ICC which is pathetic from a general view. If u have someone as good as that u should be pleased to have his presence on the cricket field reagrdless of anything else.Simply pathetic.

    I also rate Salman Butt quite highly but the selectors haven’t shown enough faith with him in my opinion. However, technically he seems to struggle against spin bowlers and is more a less a “slogger” when he has faced the likes of Warne and Murali -playing like a tail ender. But he is a gifted timer against pace and has played matchwinning innings especially against India and even Australia in the past.

    But for an opener growing up and devloping in Pakistan can always been very different as we play on dead and flat pitches making batting a “peice of cake” Yum,yum!

    Meanwhile who would you guys rate as the greatest batsmen Pakistan has ever produced ? In my opinion it will be Javed Miandad followed up by Inzy.

  253. #253 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 1:26 PM

    Abul

    Sorry to disagree; I’m not classify Salman Butt as a decent opener. He is the BEST Pakistan has seen in the past 5-6 years but the selectors have placed too much faith in him. Apart from one century against Australia he has done nothing remarkable apart from a few good innings against India.

    He has been gifted with so much exposure to international cricket but he still has a pathetic record outside the subcontinent.

    How can you say the selectors haven’t shown enough faith in him? He is being continuously selected despite average performances. He was made vice captain last year on the basis of his background and English speaking skills. Mohammad Sami was in the team then and he speaks better English than Salman Butt. Why didn’t they make him vice captain? Butt is very lucky and he has got too many chances and they should have dropped him and played Nasir Jamshed. The two openers they needed to try were Nasir Jamshed and Azhar Ali.

    The best batsman of my time has been Saeed Anwar followed by Inzamam. The top 6 batsmen of Pakistan have been Hanif Mohammad, Miandad, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas, Inzamam and Yousuf. When Younis’ career ends he will be in that list.

    Objectively it’s probably Miandad, not only because of having the highest Test and ODI averages (after Yousuf). Along with Wally Hammond, he is the only player in history whose average never dropped below 50 in his entire career.The difference between Yousuf and Miandad is that Miandad was a finisher and match winner like Inzamam. Yousuf is like Dravid and Tendulkar, very talented and scoring runs right left and centre but not winning matches.

  254. #254 by Awas on January 17, 2009 - 1:42 PM

    Theossa/khansahb

    I have been saying from the very beginning that for me the number one choice for a captain is Younus Khan. I have noticed Thoessa has often being echoing similar sentiments.

    Ever since he was being “groomed” under Inzi there was no question of succession in people’s mind. What happened later due to internal strife within the team as well as PCB is not only disgraceful but fans behaviour after shameful Pak defeats in big tournaments coupled with Younus’ personal mishaps affected his psyche. I still believe his refusal to captain Pakistan is not set in stone and this can change.

    khansahab’s mention of Younus’ stats in comment 270 are indeed praiseworthy but for me besides his many qualities that we all know of such as a determined and solid batsman, team player, unselfishness, not money minded etc., the most praiseworthy in the current circumstances against the tide is that in all his statements he has continued to support his captain.

    If you give it a thought on the last bit of what I said, its something very remarkable coming from a senior player to show such a loyalty in the light of almost universal criticism of the current captain (that he rightfully deserves) including from ex and current players. Even a mild mannered player such as Yousuf could not hide his disgust with his captain. Even ex-captain Inzi criticised Malik then retracted (presumably got pressurised to do so). It takes a lot of character from anyone to accept and follow a leader no matter how bad. This is something very remarkable found only in Younus amongst the seniors. Being a team man and selflessness are qualities of a born leader.

    If Shane Warne was the best captain Australia never had then Younus would be remembered in the same way for Pakistan.

  255. #255 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 1:55 PM

    Awas

    Good comments coming from you in the last comment. I agree about Younis’s selfless traits but I think it is perhaps for the better that he is not the captain.

    This is for two reasons mainly. First is that like Afridi, Younis is also a hothead despite being the “Mr Nice Guy” of the team. He is one of those that, he will be sweet and sound but then he does something very explosive.
    Second, he has been reluctant to accept captaincy. I know you said that his views can change, but if he has never wanted that responsibility, he will never be able to be so committed to it. If the going does not go good he is the type of person who will resign after two or three matches.

    Although Afridi is also a hothead, he is not a “Mr Nice Guy” and he speaks his mind. He also wants captaincy very badly. If he is not doing well and people throw questions at him, he will never be able to retort saying, “I didn’t want this and it was imposed upon me”.

  256. #256 by Awas on January 17, 2009 - 2:11 PM

    khansahb

    Yeah, everyone has some blemishes, I agree. Being hothead is a natural Pathan thing 🙂 I bet even you don’t put your toilet seat down…Loll.

    On captaincy, “whether he will never be able to be so committed to it” is a matter of opinion. Because, I know that the only way he will accept the job is when the board agrees to his original demand of a free reign. That may not be easy. If, after that he threatens to resigns just because the going does not go good then that would be cowardice and I don’t think one can expect that from a Pathan.

  257. #257 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 5:34 PM

    Fast bowler Muhammad Asif taken into custody in New Delhi

    NEW DELHI: Pakistan fast bowler Muhammad Asif has been taken into custody here at New Delhi airport for interrogation, Indian media reported.

    He was not carrying proper documents for traveling, an Indian TV channel said.

  258. #258 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 5:35 PM

    I know the mood in India is very anti-Pakistan, but if Asaf really went to India without proper documentation in this current hostile climate between the two countries, then I don’t know what to say to him.

    Heck, I’ll say it: “What a Paindoo!”

  259. #259 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 17, 2009 - 5:46 PM

    Fast bowler Muhammad Asif taken into custody in New Delhi

    LOL……….. I told you so would be a Cliché but read my comments two days ago here on LS, when I read the news about his plans of going to Delhi on Thursday to deal with the IPL organizers about his money whereas, he was supposed to go to Mumbai on those documents to attend the IPL tribunal. I said, this seems to be a deliberate ruse to go to New Delhi to avoid the IPL tribunal in Mumbai on Jan. 21st

    From what I understand about improper documents is, the Indians give visas to Pakistanis on a city to city basis, he may have had the visa for Mumbai and not for New Delhi and to avoid the tribunal he took this route and went to New Delhi on the pretext of dealing about his money matters or, mainly because his lawyer may have suggested him to do so. So, a paindoo if he not predictable he wouldn’t be a paindoo!

  260. #260 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 7:30 PM

    Mohd Asif detained; being deported from Delhi airport

    Pakistan’s dope-tainted speedster Mohammad Asif was tonight stopped by the immigration officials in New Delhi for not carrying complete travel documents and was being deported back to his country.

    The 25-year-old player, who has been dogged by a series of controversies and a dope scandal, found himself in more trouble after he landed at the Delhi airport via Mumbai.

    Asif was detained by the immigration officials for carrying “insufficient documents” according to sources.

    “Asif has a five-year visa issued to him which states he can travel to India as an international cricketer to play in the Indian Premier League.

    “But since he has gone on a private visit and not to play cricket, he was supposed to inform the Indian High Commission in Islamabad for clearance which he did not do,” the source said.

    According to sources in the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) the fast bowler has sought help from the Pakistan High Commission in Delhi to sort out the problem.

    Asif, who is a contracted player with the Delhi Daredevils IPL team, has said he was going to India to meet with IPL officials to sort out some issues with them.

    After interrogating Asif immigration officials have decided to deport him which means that Asif cannot enter the city and would have to leave for his country from the airport itself.

  261. #261 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 7:35 PM

    For those who think Sarfraz Ahmed can’t bat, he smashed 60 from 36 balls today and won the match for Pakistan International Airlines.

    His batting has definitely been better than Akmal’s in this Q&A Trophy and he has done better as a batsman than any other keeper.

  262. #262 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 17, 2009 - 10:47 PM

    khansahab

    Pehli baat, yae kis ka THOBRA laga liya aap nay?

    Secondly, the comment “For those who think Sarfaraz Ahmed cannot bat….” is to general, I guess you wanted to direct this comment to wasim, so spell it out LOUDLY.

  263. #263 by khansahab on January 17, 2009 - 10:50 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I don’t see the changed avatar yet, but the pic is of one of the supporters of CJ Choudhary as per the pic on the Hot Gals page 🙂

    I did this because you said the girls brought some colour on the blog whereas my pic is black and white!

    Oh and I would have stated Wasim sahab’s name in my comment, but I wonder if he would have felt I am “dying to interact” with him on this blog? 🙂

  264. #264 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 17, 2009 - 11:03 PM

    khansahab: Oh, the picture is of that Paindoo? I remember now, jaisa leader waisay supporters in NY? The reason you don’t see is because, you need to update or refresh your page. Do, it and you will see an ugly face………ooops I mean a very supportive face. 🙂

    And, in case of wasim he is gone with the wind now. “Bhains Kudd kay Lay Gayee Killa” you wait for another serious thing to happen then he will come to us assuming that we need his help. Well, thats what he said that he came to support us after the Mumbai incident. 🙂 As if we are incapable of defending or replying to the arguments that were being raised at that time.

  265. #265 by Abdul on January 18, 2009 - 1:34 PM

    Prepaeration has commenced for Pakistan today as they prepare aginst Srinalaka following there thrilling win in the tri series final out of the gloom against the gutsey Bangladesh.

    Shoiab Malike has already been made a fool on the picture below. Lets just hope this in not the start of worse things to come.
    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakvsl/content/image/386757.html

    Meanwhile Akthar seems eager and rearing to go. http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakvsl/content/image/386760.html

    Lets hope the acter can be fire in the series and deliver his best.

    Whereas Younis shows positive intent. http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakvsl/content/image/386756.html

    Lets hope he can continue his form as the “premier batsmen” in the Pakistan line up”.

    My prediction: Yes consider me opteistic but 3-0 to Pakistan.

    Please share your predictions and we’ll see next weekend whoose right and whoose left the LS fool !

  266. #266 by Awas on January 18, 2009 - 1:46 PM

    Abdul

    Nice pics!

    On the basis that Shoaib won’t last more than 4 overs in a game, I’m prepared to be LS fool and predict 2-1 in Pakistan’s favour.

    By the way, why don’t you hang your pic here too? Even girls have done it. I hope you are not shy!!! And you never know you might get lucky 🙂

  267. #267 by Abdul on January 18, 2009 - 1:46 PM

    OPTOMISTIC shall I say.

  268. #268 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 18, 2009 - 2:05 PM

    “OptO-Mystic” you must say and, Shoaib Malik doesn’t need an effort to make a fool outta himself.

    Btw, Awas last night I was watching Aus / SA ODI at Hobart live at a friend’s house and we were about 8 friends and 5 of them are Punjabis, not one was in favour of Malik’s captaincy and in fact they were all saying Malik should not be even in the team. Also, no one was in favour of Actor inclusion in the team at the expense of a youngster. They said, he is now BHINDI EXPRESS and should be kicked out of the team.

    About Druggie Asaf, I couldn’t believe the amount of galeez that were being hurled upon hearing his name and everyone said, that its good that he has been held at the Delhi airport (latest is he is released) and he deserves a life ban.

    The point I am trying to tell you is just ‘one person’ on this blog was blinding supporting the blind whereas, the majority I know here doesn’t feel the same way. In fact they are very realistic and have good knowledge of the game and were fair in criticizing the culprits. Intekhab Alam, not so long ago when he was in a 3 member committee, he openly criticized and attacked Actor’s personal life that he not only drinks alcohol, but he is a “Omenizer.” After that they never looked into each others eyes. Now, how do you expect to have a good working relationship between the two when Intekhab is the coach? Either the PCB or the Selectors or, both are idiots.

  269. #269 by Abdul on January 18, 2009 - 2:22 PM

    Awas,not to guarantee anything but how do u do it anyway ?

    Javed Bhai u didn’t tell us your prediction.

  270. #270 by Awas on January 18, 2009 - 3:09 PM

    Abdul

    khansahab will send you an email with instructions on how to hang your pic, when he has time.

    khansahab

    Please make a note.

  271. #271 by Awas on January 18, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    Javed

    Interesting incidence that you mentioned at a friend’s house. When someone does something bad, people criticise as they can see whats going on.

    Intikhab Alam, when he was in that 3 member committee, he was plainly wrong in criticising Shoaib Akhtar’s personal lifestyle as it had no bearing on the case he was hearing. I criticised Inti then as well, as you are not supposed to have a prejudged attitude when you hear a case or distract yourself from the actual case itself which was about the ban on different grounds.

    khansahab can explain that better from a legal point of view.

  272. #272 by Abdul on January 19, 2009 - 5:36 PM

    Kaneria deserves recognition and has got form under his bealt now with a rather fanstastic bowling performance claiming 13 wickets in a match that was easily won by Habib Bank.

    Watch out Srilanka Kaneria is making amends !

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