Pakistan cricket in chaos

Pakistan cricket in chaos

03/03/2009 will be remembered as the darkest day  in Pakistan cricket’s history. As the world watches in disbelief, some cowards sitting somewhere will be celebrating because they have achieved their objectives, at least for the short term. No international team will visit Pakistan in the forseeable future and only a miracle can save Pakistan from this mess. The irony, of course, always is that the terrorists wanted this to happen, and life is so sacred that no foreign team will be willing to risk their lives for the sake of defeating the terrorists’ nefarious objectives. Does this make it an unwinnable war against terror, because no one will (perhaps rightfully) ever want to visit Pakistan following this barbaric act?

Terrorism has no religion and no borders. After the events of today as some Indians passionately rejected any possibility of an Indian hand in this atrocity, they asked what India would achieve by doing this? Someone can easily ask, what would Pakistanis or Muslims achieve by doing this? After the endless list of all terror attacks that have happened across the globe following 9/11, could patriotic Pakistanis, or Muslims risk tainting the name of their country and/or religion by engaging in these activities? At the moment most Pakistanis are simply thinking about where they will get their next meal from, and under these circumstances what possible terrorist motives could they have? 

Yet Pakistan has been a breeding ground for terror. The current and previous governments disclosed venues that were being used for nurturing extremism. Somehow, people on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan are planning attacks against Pakistanis. The world has to realise that Pakistan is more a victim of terror, rather than a perpetrator of terror. Pakistan has 100,000 troops fighting the Taliban on the border; that is probably the largest army any country has spared to fight extremism. Yet, why is the global media so keen on linking Pakistanis and Muslims with terror? Terrorist attacks occur in Pakistan almost everyday, so much so that now it is considered as a part of daily life. The world asks why Pakistanis are sympathetic to terrorists. That is a completely erroneous perception. Pakistan has faced so much destruction and loss because of terror, that Pakistanis simply have discounted the possibility of Pakistanis themselves being the architects of this annhilation and destabilisation of their country. Further, whatever form terrorism takes, the causes of terrorism, like most crimes, are poverty, destitution and manipulation. The War on Terror has left thousands of people homeless in the region, and Pakistani politicians have often hinted that it is these people who take on terrorism as a lifestyle, to effect vengeance against the people who have allowed this to happen; namely, the Pakistani government and the West. So, nothwithstanding how condemnable, evil and unacceptable terrorism is, the sad truth is that the military operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been a cause for terror to foster in the region. 

The elimination of terror remains the topmost priority nevertheless, and rightly so, as terrorism by its nature is committed against the innocent. One has to be insane to consider taking another’s life, as all life is equal and sacred. Pakistan, as a society, is dividing into religious Muslims and completely liberal Muslims. There seems to be no middle ground for the practice of religion. This can be fatal for the country. It should be the utmost duty of every Pakistani citizen to do all he can to ensure religion is not being preached in extreme terms in any school, madrassah, mosque or institution. There has to be some kind of social and religious revolution.  Despite the apparent futility of doing so, Pakistanis must protest against all kinds of extremism, just like how they protest against the actions of Israel, India and the USA. Pakistanis have to focus on the fact that, only the abandonment of all forces that claim to stand for Islam within Pakistan, can ensure Pakistan’s survival. 

Pakistanis will have to evaluate whether incidents such as the Lal Masjid fiasco should be encouraged in the country? For me, it is that incident which is the litmus test for finding out whose side a person is on- the liberals or the extremists. (Perhaps I am using the word “liberals” in the wrong sense there, as I consider myself to be a moderate Muslim and not exactly a “liberal” Muslim; I refrain from alcohol, pork, womanising, yet I don’t pray regularly and I don’t keep a beard or regularly attend religious gatherings etc.) I considered the actions of the Lal Masjid clerics as quite disgraceful and extreme, and although I did not support the brutal siege conducted by the Army (as I believe no one should be allowed to take anyone’s life, as both soldiers and students were killed), I severely condemned the actions of the radicals. Yet, there seems to be little similarity between what the Lal Masjid clerics wanted to achieve and their methods of operation, and what the Lahore and Mumbai gunmen did- which was just plain shooting and creating chaos. 

This morning I saw a news bulletin, which somehow made me feel hopeful ironically. People from across the country- Quetta, Lahore, Peshawar and Karachi were interviewed about their thoughts on this atrocity. They looked very helpless, hopeless and confused. I genuinely felt for them, as their lives are being wrecked by a nameless, faceless and cowardly enemy and they can only sit and watch their country being ravaged by these wild, heartless beasts. What I felt more sorrowful about though, was that people like those interviewees, the common people of Pakistan, are the people the whole world likes to point fingers at and declare as terrorists. Now what made me slightly hopeful, was that I saw an uncanny burning emotion on their faces. I saw people of different facial features, different accents, different body language, but they were all unanimous in declaring this as an unacceptable act. I saw that being at the brink of social destruction has brought the commonalities out in these people who belong to different religions, ethnicities and social backgrounds. For once, Pakistanis seemed united and seemed to consider national issues as more significant than petty internal political and ethnic strifes. What Pakistan needs more than everything else is a torch bearer, someone who can motivate and encourage the general population that their survival, life, pursuit of all things cherishable to Man, are not perished yet and that they are more than capable of turning around their (mis)fortunes. Pakistan needs hope, and all it takes is one man who does not care about political parties, dirty politics, corruption, ethnic supremacy, to start the bandwagon and motivate the people. Sometimes you take a fall, but you only have to look up to see how high you can really get. 

That has to the silver lining in Pakistan’s dark cloud. Younis Khan is not an intellectual or philosopher, but today he said something that was very simple, and yet very true and meaningful. He said that Pakistan will be able to brave the storm if all Pakistanis unite and fight against these people who are hellbent on destabilising the country. Unity, faith and discipline was the motto of the Quaid, and it is time these words are put into effect. Something’s gotta give, because now Pakistan is in a desperate situation. It may be the death of international cricket in Pakistan for the forseeable future, but now Pakistanis have to make things right and become prominent in the world as ambassadors of global peace and harmony.


  1. #1 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 1:20 AM

    I salute the Sri Lankan public for having a big heart and sharing Pakistan’s pain. Almost all Sri Lankans have expressed sympathy with Pakistan and have said there is no ill will between the people of Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

    Lankans leave Pakistan; vow to visit again

    LAHORE: Sri Lankan cricket team flew out of Pakistan on a specially chartered Airbus 320, cutting short their tour after a deadly attack on Tuesday, reported ARY OneWorld.

    The team left for Colombo on a special chartered flight of Lanka Air from Lahore Airport.

    Governor Punjab Salman Taseer, Chairman PCB Ijaz Butt, Captain Younus Khan and players from Pakistan Cricket team saw off the guest team.

    Talking to Pakistani players before departure, Sri Lankan captain Mahela Jayawardane who was also hurt in the attack that leaves seven people dead and 18 others injured, vowed to come back again to play in Pakistan.

    Jayawardane said that his team never hesitated in visiting Pakistan and will come back once the situation will be normalized.

  2. #2 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 1:24 AM


    I’ve looked at newspapers from around the world and saw that the words used to describe the perpetrators of these attacks were, “extremists”, “gunmen”, “terrorists”, “armed men” etc.

    What a coincidence it had to be a leading British broadsheet paper that is the only one I have seen to use the term, “Islamic Extremists” in relation to the Lahore attacks?

  3. #3 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 1:36 AM

    Extract from an article on yesterday’s attacks by Dawn:

    The attacks afforded the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz and other opposition parties the opportunity to argue that the terrorists had succeeded in executing their designs only because the provincial administration and police were busy in making plans to suppress its anti-government protests and twist the arms of provincial legislators to force them switch their political loyalties.

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 5:16 AM

    Lahore Ki Kahaani
    Sangakara Ki Zubani

    ************’I felt a bullet fizz past my ear’***********

    When you have been through what we have experienced, when you have been targeted by terrorists yourself and been so fortunate to escape, it changes your thinking

    Kumar Sangakkara

    March 4, 2009

    As I dictate this article we are preparing to fly home. It’s been a long day and we can’t wait to return home to our families. We were shaken badly, obviously. Pakistan has a reputation for being unstable in the recent past, but we never expected to be caught up in something like this. I am still shocked that a sports team could be targeted in this manner.

    We had always felt pretty safe in Pakistan, to be honest. It shows how naïve we were. We realise now that sports people and cricketers are not above being attacked. All the talk that “no one would target cricketers” seems so hollow now. Far from being untouchable, we are now prize targets for extremists. That’s an uncomfortable reality we have to come to terms with.

    Tuesday started as just another day in Lahore: a morning report to the fitness trainer to check our hydration levels, a quick breakfast and cup of coffee and an 8.30am departure to the ground. We were all looking forward to the third day’s play and trying to win the series. Our chief concern was how to wheedle out 19 Pakistan wickets on another true batting pitch.

    Our team bus left with three to four police cars in a convoy with around 12 policeman and security officers, including motorbike outriders. Along the route road junctions were cleared and side roads closed to ensure we passed through the traffic easily. It was standard security for teams in this region and we had no worries as we travelled to the stadium.

    The bus was full of the normal banter. Players traded stories, mostly about Lahore shopping, and cracked jokes. Others chatted about the cricket and the crucial first session. Then, as we approached the large roundabout before the Gaddafi Stadium, we suddenly heard a noise like a firecracker. The bus came to a halt and some of the guys jumped out of their seats to see what was happening. Then came the shout: “They are shooting at us!”

    From the front I heard the screams to “get down, get down” and we all hit the deck. Within seconds we are all sprawled along the floor, lying on top of each other and taking shelter below the seats. The gunfire became louder, we heard explosions (which I understand now were hand grenades) and bullets started to flash through the bus.

    I was sitting next to Thilan Samaraweera and close to the young Tharanga Paranavitana. For some reason I moved my head to get a better view and a split second later I felt a bullet fizz past my ear into the vacant seat. Fortunately, as a team, we remained quite calm. No one panicked. After what must have been two minutes standing still, we urged the driver to make a run for the stadium just a few hundred metres away: “Go, go, go” we shouted.

    The truth is we owe our lives to the courageous Mohammad Khalil, the driver. I will forever be grateful to him. The tyres of the bus had been shot out and he was in grave personal danger, exposed to gunfire at the front of the bus. But he was hell-bent on getting us to safety and, somehow, he got us moving again. Had Khalil not acted with such courage and presence of mind most of us would have been killed.

    Standing still next to the roundabout we were sitting ducks for the 12 gunmen. We only found out afterwards that a rocket launcher just missed us as we began moving and turned for the stadium gates, the rocket blowing up an electricity pylon. Khalil saw a hand grenade tossed at us that failed to explode. Someone must have been looking over us because right now it seems a miracle we survived.

    As we moved towards the stadium, Tharanga announced he was hit as he sat up holding his chest. He collapsed onto his seat and I feared the worst. Incredibly, the bullet hit his sternum at such an angle that it did not penetrate. He was fine. Shortly afterwards Thilan complained of a numbness in his leg, which we later found out was a bullet wound.

    Thilan and Tharanga were the worst hit. Just before reaching safety I felt a dull ache in my shoulder. Shards of metal, shrapnel, were lodged in the muscle. After being quickly evacuated to the dressing room the paramedics attended to those with minor wounds. My cuts were cleaned. Ajantha Mendis had several shards of metal removed from his head and neck after his hair was shaved off. Paul Farbrace, our assistant coach, had a large piece of shrapnel removed from his arm. Mahela [Jayawardene] had a minor cut to his ankle. After a while we starting to calm down, and the phones started ringing.

    When the tour was first announced while we were playing in Bangladesh, we had discussed security concerns with the Sri Lanka cricket board. Our own board had originally asked for a longer tour, asking for two extra ODIs, but we requested a shortened tour, an independent assessment of the security situation, some security guarantees, and proper insurance covering terrorist attacks.

    We were promised “Head of State” security and we were satisfied with this. We also wanted to play cricket in Pakistan. Nevertheless, with hindsight, we probably underestimated the security threat. In future, we need to very seriously consider how best to better tackle the issue of security in a new post-Lahore reality. We need to consider a more centralised and independent system for assessing security and a more open sharing of security information, not just between boards but with FICA and the players.

    From a Pakistan perspective, it is tragic this has happened. Pakistan is a great country with a strong cricket tradition and very hospitable people. We like playing cricket here, but the presence of a small minority pursuing their own agendas at any cost will surely prevent tours for the foreseeable future. I sincerely hope that a solution can be found with time but assume Pakistan will first need a neutral venue solution for their home games.

    Will I go back? When you have been through what we have experienced, when you have been targeted by terrorists yourself and been so fortunate to escape, it changes your thinking. It is a big question which cannot be answered now. I suspect, too, for us it can only be answered as an individual. Our families will never feel the same about us leaving to play in Pakistan. That is sad – for Pakistan and world cricket.

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 5:32 AM

    A few hours ago I was watching GEO TV, Kamran Khan had interviewed some guy called Ansar Abbassi. Abbassi was saying that a four page report was submitted by the local intelligence agency to the Punjab Government of PML(N) including the Chief Minister, IG Police and Secretary Internal Affairs Punjab Government that they have sufficient evidence that the terrorists (He mentioned India’s agency RAW’s name) are planning to attack the Sri Lankan Team on its way from the Hotel to the Gaddafi Stadium.

    Reportedly, after that the PML(N) government was toppled disqualifying Shahbaz Sharif. The irony is their government did not pay any heed to that report or deliberately ignored it. Because, after their disqualification the bigger challenge for them was to fight against the government and not give them any important information such as this report. It is their moral obligation to make that report public to safeguard the interest of the Sri Lankan Cricket team. But, by deliberately ignoring it they have done a crime, because whether you are in power or not it is your duty to protect the lives of the people against a terrorist attack, especially when you were informed in writing by the local intelligence agency.

    The terrorists may or may not be from India, it is possible that they could be from within the country but, when a plot has been unearthed the authorities must have taken it seriously, especially when it was their duty to protect the Sri Lankan players from any possible terrorist attack be it from foreign or homegrown terrorists. How can they ignore or neglect it? If this information is correct, then not only the leaders of that party but, the whole party must be banned forever. And, those involved directly must be tried and punished.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 5:42 AM

    The sub-continent will loose the 2011 World Cup.

    I have a strong feeling that after this Lahore incident not only Pakistan but, the whole of the sub-continent will brace the fall out. Already the Indian Government has asked the IPL administrators to postpone the tournament as it is clashing with their elections. In India, not only Mumbai, but there have been blasts in Jaipur and Delhi. Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are not safe either. So, the ICC think tank will consider it as an opportunity to shift the venue of the WC to another country, possibly the UK.

    May be I am wrong, but if this happens I won’t be surprised. So, those involved in these terrorist attacks have done a multi-facet damage to four countries. India would be losing a lot.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 5:54 AM

    Like everyone else I am also relieved that none of the Sri Lankan players got seriously injured in the terrorist attack. Like everyone else I am also praising them for being so brave and for expressing a few good words for Pakistan’s hospitality in general and more specifically their kind words for Mohammad Khalil the bus driver who reportedly saved their lives. BUT, we are ALL forgetting those who died.

    The six young policemen, the two bystanders lost their lives just like that. The policemen were aged between 22 and 34 and one of them was married 18 months ago and had a new born baby just a week ago. What was his mistake? What did he do to get killed? Perhaps I will never understand this concept of killing innocent people.

    Each time when the terrorists or whoever kills the innocent people, it reminds me of this verse from the holy Qur’an:

    Surely We created Man of the best stature
    Then We reduced him to the lowest of the low.

    From Man, he becomes a Savage!

  8. #8 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 10:55 AM

    Pakistan announces squad for Bangladesh series, Shoaib Akhtar dropped

    LAHORE: Pakistan Wednesday omitted yet-to-be fully fit Shoaib Akhtar from a 16-man squad for this month’s tour of Bangladesh where they play two Twenty20 and five one-day internationals.

    The team departs on March 7 and play the first of two Twenty20 matches on March 10. The other Twenty20 and the first three one-day matches are scheduled for Dhaka. The last two one-day matches will be played in Chittagong.

    Fixtures: March 7 – Departure from Karachi, March 10 – Ist Twenty20 in Dhaka, March 12 – Second Twenty20 in Dhaka, March 13 – Ist one-day international in Dhaka, March 15 – Second one-day international in Dhaka, March 17 – Third one-day international in Dhaka , March 20 – Fourth one-day international in Chittagong and March 22 – Fifth one-day international in Chittagong.

    Squad: Younus Khan (capt), Salman Butt, Shahid Afridi, Nasir Jamshed, Ahmed Shahzad, Shoaib Malik, Misbah-ul-Haq, Kamran Akmal, Fawad Alam, Umar Gul, Sohail Tanver, Mohammad Aamir, Yasir Arafat, Yasir Shah, Rao Iftikhar, Sarfraz Ahmed.

  9. #9 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 10:59 AM

    PCB has this strange method to try and control Akmal’s form; they select both Sarfraz and Akmal, and then Sarfraz sits on the bench while Akmal keeps dropping catches.

    It is an insult to Sarfraz and a waste of his time to be selected in the same squad as Akmal, because he can never be the 1st choice keeper if Akmal is present in the squad. He is only there to keep Akmal on his toes.

    After Khurram Manzoor’s attacking 50 in the 2nd Test, he should have been selected ahead of Ahmed Shahzad for the ODI series.

  10. #10 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 11:21 AM

    Across the British media, there is no mention of the young policemen who died protecting the Sri Lankans and fighting the terrorists. There is frequent mention of Chris Broad who is being hailed as a hero for helping some injured individual, but no mention of normal Pakistanis who died saving these people of other religions and nationalities?

    As expected people are making racist comments like, “So their (referring to Muslims) holy book also teaches them to hate cricket?”?

    Surely that person means “all” Muslims, not just the extremists, because the Quran is the holy book of Islam, not of some twisted ideology that preaches doing unIslamic things like killing innocents and harassing and victimising others.

  11. #11 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 12:02 PM

    I don’t understand Imran Khan’s mind sometimes. He was one of Musharraf’s major opponents and now he is Nawaz Sharif’s ally. He keeps giving conflicting views to the media and I think that is the reason why he has had so much difficulty garnering support from Pakistanis.

    A few months ago he gave two conflicting reports to the media in the space of a week; first he said that cricket is not under threat in Pakistan from terrorists and then after Australia refused to visit Pakistan, he said that the security situation in Pakistan is so dire that no one should visit the country.

    Yesterday he said that the government was negligent in not providing enough security and then he also said that this War on Terror has to end.

    Imran has to make his mind up whether this nameless, faceless terrorism is good or bad for the country. He needs to stop speaking in the language of the Mullahs and he must oppose terror. Whether the War on Terror is good or bad it is immaterial, the whole point is that the terrorists who are destabilising the country are the biggest enemies of the country.

  12. #12 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 1:11 PM


    You are right on all three accounts: And, “I am agree” with you 100%.

    1. If Sarfaraz is selected then Kamran must be dropped, they select him only to use as a dangling sword over his head.

    2. About Chris the Broad being hailed as a hero, WTF? What has he done? People lost their lives defending the Sri Lankans, the bus driver nearly died and the BBC is talking about Chris Broad and his son Stuart Broad how anxious he was etc. This is BS.

    3. Finally, about Imran Khan. He has been at the center of controversies and probably he has Alzheimer or Parkinson’s disease that he cannot remember what he said a few weeks ago because he keeps negating and contradicting his own statements. I saw that video of his on BBC. Also, on the same page there is Asif Iqbal’s interview, who seems to be very calm, composed, eloquent and more than anything he was sounding sensible. Whereas, Imran was not only emotional but, he was incoherent, short of words and senseless.

    In this vulture culture, among all the people I wanted Imran Khan to lead the country but, it would be lethal if he is still immature and unfit as a leader.

  13. #13 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 1:23 PM

    Javed A Khan

    To support your point and my earlier point, I just went downstairs 5 minutes ago and switched on the TV, and saw Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif and Choudhary Aitzaz Ahsan sitting together side by side talking about restoration of judiciary etc.

    Imran Khan was one of Nawaz’s biggest critics during Nawaz’s rule, why is Imran changing like this?

    We all say conflicting things from time to time but politicians have to stick by their principles because what the public hates the most is a leader who is confused about where his loyalties lie.

  14. #14 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 1:32 PM

    “Why is Imran changing like this?” Because he is aspiring to be a Chameleon that is why. Imran himself has no mass, he has no support because of his emotional statements which are more like empty vessels. He realized now, that in order to succeed he has to be with some political party or someone who is strong. He is always betting on the wrong horse. When Musharraf gave him the offer to become the Prime Minister he refused. He thought he will become the number one person in Pakistan so why accept number two position?

    If he had accepted that offer, today he would have been in his shoes, you cannot become the President or the number one person overnight. Even Zardari who is now the President has been in and around the political arena because of his wife, as a Federal Minister and was jailed, exiled (husband) and sneaked in after his wife’s death, so he’s been through some process. Whereas, Imran Khan is simply deluded and dreaming that the masses will put a crown on his forehead one day or, some fairy Godmother will bring a magic wand or, some Snow White will kiss him and Kabooooooooom! He is the President. Keep on dreaming Imran. A leader is not a dreamer, he is a visionary.

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 1:41 PM


    The point that most Pakistanis don’t notice is, Nawaz Sharif and Zardari are two big crooked players of politics in Pakistan and they use people like Imran Khan, Chaudhary Iftekhar, Atezaz Ahsan like a toilet paper. Unfortunately these people don’t realize how they have treated them in the past. They go back to them like a re-usable toilet paper! “Jaisi qaom, vaisay leader,” until and unless the people don’t change themselves they have to deal with these crooked leaders.

  16. #16 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 1:48 PM

    How reliable the BBC reporting is?

    On the BBC on-line page on “HAVE YOUR SAY,” they have mentioned that SIX POLICEMEN and THE BUS DRIVER are DEAD.

    Most of the comments on the subject are also confirming that the Bus Driver is dead. The bus driver Mohammad Khalil is very much ALIVE and he was interviewed on TV along with others and Sangakara while narrating his ordeal mentioned how courageous and determined the bus driver was that he drove the bus to safety while it was being ambushed and attacked by the terrorists. Mohammad Khalil himself talked in detail about the incident and how he managed to escape.

    Murlidharan gave his shirt as a souvenir to Mohammad Khalil and they showed it on TV and I saw that myself. And here is BBC still reporting that the Bus Driver is DEAD !!!!

  17. #17 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 2:00 PM

    PML N ministers are most stupid and uncouth politicians.

    Choudhary Nisar Ali said yesterday that he blames the government for focusing too much on controlling PML N’s protests in Punjab which is why they were unable to provide enough security to the Sri Lankans.

    This is Javed A Khan’s and my original point in slightly different words.

    Another can interpret this as, PML N had caused so much havoc and destruction that the government was forced to divert a lot of security to the hotspots of PML N’s terrorist activities.

  18. #18 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 2:05 PM

    Shoaib Akhtar’s situation is so grim that he promised a few weeks back he would be available for the Bangladesh series, but he is still unfit.

    Why is he still on the PCB contracts list?

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    Why is Shoaib Akhtar still on the PCB contracts list? BAKAOZ, he is the so-called Rawalpindi Express, a train that got derailed and is kept in the PCB museum and people from Punjab would like to see that name. A few weeks ago the druggie ASAF’s supporters gave statements to the media that his sentence would be reduced and soon he will be back in the team! The more the other existing bowlers fail in taking wickets and, the more the new fast bowlers fail to impress, the PCB mafia who are living on the past glories of these two druggies, would be keen on keeping them in the team. Same is the case with the KHATMAL, because they say there is no other option. Until and unless you give other wicketkeepers a chance how can you say there is no other option?

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 4, 2009 - 5:55 PM


    We still want to host tours, says Ijaz Butt

    Wednesday, March 04, 2009

    BIRMINGHAM: Pakistan still want opposition sides to tour their country despite Tuesday’s attack on Sri Lanka’s team bus in Lahore, said cricket board chairman Ijaz Butt.

    Butt also said his team would definitely tour Sri Lanka in July and that he did not fear any retaliatory attacks.

    “We cannot predict these incidents,” he said in an interview. “We can say we will make every effort to give teams the very best security like we did in Karachi during the first test that passed without incident.

    “If some people don’t want to come that is their wish and we cannot blame them but we still hope to get our friends to come and play in Pakistan.”

    Butt said the attack could have occurred anywhere.

    “This incident was out of our control and these kinds of incidents can happen in any country, in England, in India, anywhere,” he said. “Let’s hope we can convince people and improve security.

    “We will definitely be going to Sri Lanka. We will have to wait and see about the results of the investigation as to who was responsible for this incident but I don’t see why any Sri Lankans would wish to harm the Pakistan cricket team,” added Butt.

  21. #21 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 6:19 PM

    Today Shahbaz Sharif reluctantly admitted that both CJ Dogar and CJ Choudhary were PCO-appointed judges, but that only one of them was on the right track. My questions to bloggers are these:

    1) How many times have you seen the media report that the so called constitutional judge CJ Choudhary was appointed under a PCO?

    2) How many times have you seen the media report that Sharif abolished certain important constitutional provisions to make his position as PM as powerful as a President’s position?

    3) How many times have you seen the media report that Sharif organised an assault on the Supreme Court which resulted in a CJ being dismissed, the Supreme Court building suffering considerable damage and judges and lawyers being attacked?

    Why are Pakistanis sleeping? Why do we have short term memories?

  22. #22 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 6:52 PM

    BB wasn’t committed to Iftikhar’s reinstatement: Qaim

    HYDERABAD: Sindh Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah has outright rejected Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan’s claim that Benazir Bhutto wanted reinstatement of ‘former’ Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry because he (the chief minister) possessed press clippings in which she reacted against Chaudhry’s judgement on NRO. He said that she termed it an attempt whereby Justice Chaudhry tried to sabotage reconciliation and to continue with his own agenda so that she shouldn’t return.

    The chief minister said that Iftikhar, instead of showing grief over the sad demise of our party workers killed on May 12, 2007, stayed the NRO. CM Qaim said NRO came about due to the efforts of Shaheed Bibi and it (NRO) was for the benefit of other parties as well.

    During his one hour discourse the chief minister confined himself to criticism of Nawaz Sharif and also touched the deposed judges’ issue. Still, he expressed the hope that situation would show improvement because PPP believes in reconciliation – the mission of the slain PPP leader.

    He said that government was not taking post-disqualification situation lightly. ‘So far there is no progress as far as efforts of Fazalur Rehman and Asfandyar Wali are concerned but we are hopeful. Since the issue is serious its solution should also be serious one’, he said. He asserted that, ‘we are open to correctness but it was a verdict of apex court and not of prime minister or president.’

    ‘Who else was closer to her than me? I was president of PPP Sindh at that time and used to be present in every press conference. We were well aware of her concepts and thoughts and same is the case with our president Asif Ali Zardari,’ Shah said.

    He didn’t clearly reply to a question when asked by a journalist whether Benazir Bhutto was having two different stances over deposed judges’ issue, one for public consumption and one for her party.

    He said that after Sharif announced boycott of elections on account of her tragic assassination, it was Asif Ali Zardari who persuaded him to refrain from it as it was a democratic process.

    He added that Asif Ali Zardari promised to restore pre November 3 judiciary but in accordance with constitutional provision which calls for amending 17th constitutional amendment through two third majority.

    ‘I now believe that from day one they (PML-N) were hell-bent to destabilise the federal and provincial governments because it was not the way that pressure should be mounted to weaken the government,’ he said. All the judges had been restored after having taken oath on constitution and given seniority accordingly but one judge from Sindh and Justice Chaudhry had not done it, he said.

    He also lashed out at PML-N’s smear campaign against President. ‘It seems that they are suffering from Zardari phobia because they had been trying to dislodge him just in six months after he was elected as president with a historic number of votes,’ he said. He asked Sharifs to desist from targeting or maligning the president because he represents the unity of the federation. He said Sharifs first cried over Benazir’s death but now their workers were burning her memorial.

    He said that Sharif in his post-disqualification press conference expressed his determination that ‘his’ supreme court would set aside the judgement. Simultaneously, he said, Justice Chaudhry in his speech also put his weight behind him as quid pro quo for Sharif’s support to him. ‘It doesn’t suit a judge,’ he remarked.

    He defended imposition of governor’s rule in Punjab. He said, Nawaz Sharif not only imposed governor rule in Sindh in the past but also interfered in provincial autonomy.

  23. #23 by Joe on March 4, 2009 - 8:51 PM

    this attack on Sri Lanka’s unsuspecting Cricket team is tragic because of the deaths and because of the long term effect this will have internationally

  24. #24 by khansahab on March 4, 2009 - 9:18 PM


    Sensible viewpoint and although we are not agree on every issue, I am agree with you.

    However, I think now everyone should realise that this judiciary they want to impose is not an independent judiciary. The conduct and intentions of Choudhary have been completely partisan and political. Imran Khan is mature enough to realise this.

    If a judge supports a politician who is in the opposition and vice versa, it does not make either party “independent” just because they oppose the current government.

  25. #25 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 9:04 AM

    More damnation for Pakistan cricket:

    Pakistan’s tour of Bangladesh postponded

    Cricinfo staff

    March 5, 2009

    Pakistan’s tour of Bangladesh starting March 10 has been postponed following advice from the Bangladesh government.

  26. #26 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 11:06 AM

    Five-minute gap fuels conspiracy theory over Lahore terror attack on Sri Lankan team.

    Jeremy Page in Lahore and Anne Barrowclough in Sydney

    An unexplained five-minute delay in the Pakistani cricket team schedule has fuelled speculation that the gunmen who launched a terror attack against the Sri Lankan Test team this week were acting on inside information.

    After a furious tirade by the English match referee, Chris Broad, yesterday, both an Australian umpire and Sri Lanka’s star spin bowler fed the conspiracy theory today, questioning the level of security and the timing of events.

    “You tell me why supposedly 20 armed commandos were in our convoy and when the team bus got going again, we were left on our own?” umpire Simo Taufel angrily told reporters as he arrived at Sydney airport. “I don’t have any answers to these questions…We were left on our own in our time of need.”

    Mr Taufel told The Times that that while the two teams had travelled to the stadium together on the first two days of the match, on Tuesday there was a five-minute delay before the Pakistani team left.

    “One thing I have been impressed about in Pakistan as that logistically they are usually very well organised. They normally depart on time,” he said. “We knew we were departing at 8.30 am on the third morning. As to why the Pakistani team left at a different time, I don’t know.”

    He was backed by Muttiah Muralitharan, the most successful bowler in Test history, who questioned whether the terrorists had inside information.

    “Somehow in this incident there were no police with guns on the bus,” the Sri Lankan spinner told Radio5aa in Adelaide. “If someone was there with a gun we would have had a chance of defending ourselves.

    “Normally all the buses go and we have four or five escorts. We left at 8.30am and Younus Khan (with the Pakistan team bus) at 8.35am.We divided into two – maybe they knew the information for the right time.”

    Mr Taufel and his fellow Australian umpire, Steve Davis, were with Mr Broad on a bus carrying officials following the Sri Lankan team coach when at least 12 gunmen staged an ambush at a roundabout near Gaddafi stadium. The attack left eight people dead including their driver and six police officers. Eight Sri Lankan players were wounded.

    Yesterday Mr Broad said the attack could have been part of a wider conspiracy, and accused Pakistani security forces of leaving the vehicles like “sitting ducks.”

    “We were promised high level security and in our hour of need, that security vanished,” he told reporters on his return to Britain. He also asked questioned the Pakistani team delay.

    The criticism came as Pakistani police issued sketches today of four of the gunmen, taken from eye witness accounts from a car owner and a rickshaw driver, according to city police inspector Asif Rashid.

    “They appear to be 25 to 30 years old,” he said.

    As he greeted his wife Helen and sons Jack and Harry at Sydney airport, a furious Mr Taufel said he felt abandoned, and expected to be shot at any minute as bullets peppered the officials’ van.

    “The gunfire … it just kept going,” he told reporters. “We thought, when’s it going to stop? Who’s going to come and save us, how are we going to get out of here? I was expecting to get a bullet.

    “The side door shattered, the front window shattered, the driver got shot in the neck. He started to moan.

    “The driver got a second bullet to the head, his foot fell on the accelerator. It was quite loud. We didn’t know he was dead.”

    Mr Taufel said there were three vans and four police motorcycles in their convoy but after the attacks they were on their own. “There were not other police vehicles, or any other police defending us,” he said. “There was no-one protecting us during the firing.

    “We were isolated, left alone, unaccounted for. We were not given the same security as the playing staff. We were defenceless, helpless, left on our own. I am angry that we were isolated, that we didn’t get the same level of security. I am angry.

    He added: “We were promised a nine (out of 10 on security) and got delivered a two.

    “Our van was caught in a situation where we were wholly exposed. It is not a situation I have been in before,” he said. “Cricket has suffered a great loss. It is just a bloody game of cricket and we are in a war.”

    Mehar Mohamnmed Khalil, the driver of the Sri Lankan bus, told The Times again today that the Sri Lankan and Pakistani teams had driven separately, with separate escorts, to the stadium for the first two days of the Test match.

    Mr Khalil, who was de-briefed by Pakistani police on Tuesday evening, said the Sri Lankan team’s escort included four police vans with six armed officers in each, one police jeep carrying the commanding officer, and four police outriders.

    He also denied that the Pakistani team had been delayed by five minutes, or that the security escort had been split between the two teams.

    However, his version of events has now been contradicted by Mr Muralitharan and three other passengers in the convoy.

    Younis Khan, the Pakistani captain, told a news conference on Tuesday: “Thank God we decided to leave our hotel five minutes after the Sri Lankans.”

    Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Pakistan’s Foreign Minister, told a news conference with his Sri Lankan counterpart that investigators were following important leads that would eventually unearth the culprits.

    Rohitha Bogollagama, his Sri Lankan counterpart, said it was the first attack on Sri Lankans outside the country and he did not rule out the possibility the rebel Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) were involved.

    Khusro Pervaiz, the Lahore administrator, admitted police had warned authorities the Sri Lankan team was at risk.

    “It’s correct that we were forewarned … there were many pieces of information which came to us,” he told Pakistan’s Dawn Television. Security for the team could have been ‘much, much better,’ he said.

    Officials have offered a reward of $125,000 for information about the men responsible for the attack. A large weapons cache, anti-personnel mines and two unexploded car bombs were found at the scene.

  27. #27 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 11:25 AM

    The way Younis Khan reported that the Pakistan team left 5 minutes late made it sound like it was sheer coincidence that Sri Lankans were the ones who were attacked by the terrorists.

    However, the way Simon Taufel, Muralitharan and Western media is reporting this incident makes it seem like it is a conspiracy and an insider was involved.

    I think whoever was in charge of schedule and security arrangements should be interrogated because this is a very serious issue.

    Now people are talking about controversies and conspiracy theories, but how readily did the world accept the Mumbai attacks episode at face value?

    Surely the equation for Mumbai attacks and all “Islam-related terror attacks” goes something like this:

    Islam teaches killing of innocents + Pakistan is a terrorist country + Pakistanis hate India, UK, USA, Europe and all non Muslims = Mumbai attacks and all terror attacks.

    So when Pakistanis say there was some insider help for the terrorists in Mumbai- whether that was someone in the hotel management, RAW, or some local Indian terrorist group, why do people think we are trying to shift the blame?

    Whether you say there was insider help, or whether you say that in Pakistan the recent attacks have shown that big financiers, big bucks, technical training etc is involved, raises the irrefutable presumption that either ISI or some other powerful agency is behind all these attacks.

    Now if it is the ISI or some Pakistan agency, why would they want to destabilise their own country? They can only do that if they are acting under the orders of Pakistan’s enemies. Not only does that destabilise Pakistan, it gives Islam a bad name and Pakistan a bad name across the world.

    People say, it is absurd to say CIA was involved in planning 9/11, or that RAW planned 26/11. Can it not be absurd then to say ISI plans all these terror attacks?

    It is naive to say that attacks inside India are organised by Pakistani intelligence and/or Islamists, but that attacks inside Pakistan are only done by Islamists. It is naive because the methods, weapons and techniques of this guerilla-styled terrorism were exactly the same in Lahore and Mumbai.

  28. #28 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 1:15 PM


    There is no conspiracy in leaving the touring team and match officials on the mercy of terrorists. It’s just that all those commandos and policemen were cowards and ran for their life. And it doesn’t surprise me at all because I studied in a Punjab university and during political clashes between students I saw these cops hiding behind covers even when they were armed with rifles, LOL. How our security forces are going to protect ordinary people when they’re the ones who do most of the robberies? That’s why I’m a big advocate of citizen bearing firearms so that they can protect themselves and their families. Who in the right mind in Pakistan will bank on these security forces for their safety? Answer honestly, would you leave your love ones on the mercy of Pakistan security forces? Anyone? The whole World saw how just 2000 some Swat militants defeated the World’s 7th largest army. That should tell you the truth about their commitment.

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 5, 2009 - 1:15 PM

    Whats wrong with Varun and others? Why aren’t they commenting on the blog? Has anyone annoyed you Varun? No one is saying that India or Sri Lanka has a hand in this attack. From the outset I was blaming the Pakistan administration for hosting a test match in Lahore under the current political unrest, chaos where unruly PML(N) hooligans were burning tires on the street, damaging public and private property.

    Obviously no one was hoping that this will happen but, terrorist attack was a possibility and that is why there was security. And the current political climate in Punjab was a perfect platform for them to execute their plan to perfection. They came, they shot, they killed and they disappeared.

    After the initial shock people are venting their anger over the security measures that were put in place. Those who went through the ordeal are blaming that it was not enough security and those who are being blamed are saying its not fair to blame us especially since six policemen have died in protecting the visitors.

    People are saying that the Mumbai and Lahore attacks are similar in nature, perhaps they are because, I am not an expert on that, but what I see as a common man is, whatever mistakes that were made in Mumbai were amended in Lahore. Not a single perpetrator was caught or killed. They were swift, more organized and there was no delay in executing their plan, they did not provide any time for reinforcement of the forces to join their fellow policemen. They took them by surprise and they fled the crime scene and disappeared within minutes. The sketches are a mere formality, they are gone and no one will never find them.

    Chris Broad’s anguish to a certain extent is right because he has been through the ordeal, but it appears that he is now over-reacting and exaggerating about the lapse in security. He was saved by a commando when he threw himself up and risked his own life and Broad is not happy with that.

    Murali was so overwhelmed by emotions that he gave his shirt to the bus driver Mohammad Khalil and hugged him for saving his life. Now, he is talking about a conspiracy? A common man, Mohammad Khalil the bus driver had the presence of mind to maneuver the bus from the war zone to safety, he had the heightened sense of responsibility in performing his duty, he risked his own life and felt proud in saving the lives of ALL the Sri Lankan players, he appears to be so honest, sincere and dedicated in doing his duties, how could have he been a part of the conspiracy plan?

    Tauffel is usually a simple Simon, a cool cucumber, he too burst into anger upon reaching his country. This kinda reaction is normal, I think there will be time in his life when he will rethink about the whole situation in his usual calm and composed manner, he will realize that, “it is not a conspiracy but, a destiny that brought him so near to a situation where he felt that death is eminent, but thank God I am alive!”

    Was it also a part of the conspiracy to kill the SIX policemen and TWO civilians? It was their fate, their destiny. Its unfortunate they had to die like that for that no one is paying any tribute or a few words of sympathy!

    When I first heard about Mumbai attack and the loss life of the ATS Chief Hemant Karkare and his two associates, right here on this blog I praised their efforts, felt sorry for them and expressed my sympathies. At that time when I wrote that, it was not known whether the killing of Karkare was an accident or planned.

  30. #30 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 1:29 PM

    I’ve just read in The Times that the turmoil in Punjab played a huge part in the security lapse.

    The Times reports that almost of the top police positions were replaced following the crisis in Punjab.

    So I blame PPP and PML N equally for this. Of course you will get some biased people who will want to disassociate PML N’s indirect role in this terror attack, but our job is to present the truth and raise questions.

  31. #31 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 1:37 PM

    Pakistan should now forget hosting matches in its territory and the PCB should look at UAE or England as possible alternative venues.

    The UK has a large concentration of people of Pakistani descent in all major cities. Manchester has about 7% Asian population and 99% of that Asian population is Pakistani. In some areas of Manchester you will struggle to see a non-Asian face.

    Birmingham has 20% Asian population and about 50% of that 20% is Pakistanis.

    So it’s not a bad idea for Pakistan to hold matches in the UK.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 5, 2009 - 1:41 PM

    Theossa, are you saying that the Punjab police is coward and the frontier police or the Swat militants are brave? “I am agree, not”

    First of all, there was no reaction time for the police to respond to the terrorist attack, may be they were complacent or whatever. But, the 14 terrorists who had done their homework and planning were ready to ambush the bus at their chosen spot, took everyone by surprise. So, it is very difficult to respond at the spur of the moment, unless the squad was moving with a couple of jeeps / armored cars with a machine gun fixed on it and a soldier or a policeman standing there like a hawk with a finger on the trigger.

    As regards Swat, if the militants were holding women and children as human shields then who would go and kill them? Only Hitler would have done that. My former cook is from Swat and his family lives in Swat and Mingora and he told us that his families were at risk and it was good in a way that they made a peace pact. Because, if the army and air force had launched a full-fledged attack no one would have left alive. So, its easy for us to sit here in front of our computer screens and vent our emotions or ridicule them as cowards. The reality is far different from what we see from here.

    On your Gun freedom views, you should join that Charleston Heston Group to promote the Gun Culture. 😀

  33. #33 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 1:49 PM


    What you are saying is very persuasive and logical, but the whole question which British match officials and Murali are also saying, is that throughout the whole trip from the hotel to the stadium, why wasn’t the promised security present?

    There are inconsistent reports about just HOW much security was present. Some people say that for the first few minutes, only one police car was present. Some reports say 4 cars were present but not ALL the time during when the players were being transported.

    Numbers count and if the players had the “Presidential level” security as promised, the terrorists probably would not even have made an attempt to fire.

  34. #34 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 1:55 PM


    @ First of all, there was no reaction time for the police to respond to the terrorist attack

    Well they fired shots, hand grenades, and rockets for 15 to 20 minutes so there was plenty of time for the security to react. They’re trained for this. An attack like this is always a surprise, did they expect a loud speaker announcement that, “Hey we are coming for a 20 minute gun battle, get ready”. Heck, the bus driver reacted! It’s just that the security forces flee.
    I’m not saying Swat militants are good guys but they did defeat the army. They were punishing people in the day light at will with radio announcements and established their security check points. So do you think military cares about the lives of ordinary citizen that they let them establish Sharia law? I think there were plenty of civilian deaths caused by Army shelling. They got whipped and that’s why military came to negotiate.


    Pakistan should also look into arranging matches in Houston, Texas and Toronto, Canada. You favored yourself, Awas, and Munir but I, Javed, and Omar want a piece of the pie too!

  35. #35 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 1:57 PM


    Send me pics of good looking girls in your part of the world and then I will send PCB your request 🙂 I’ll have to show the PCB what “kind” of people there are in your part of the world so that we know what kind of crowd to expect 🙂

  36. #36 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 2:08 PM


    Without sending any pictures I can persuade PCB and skeptics by telling this; when the temperature gets 70 F, ladies here don’t take long to take unnecessary clothes off and roam free in bikini and bra much for the twitching of male spectators 😀

  37. #37 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 2:13 PM


    How true is my observation about American society?

    I think in the USA ALL women are fat, except those who have at least some connection with some kind of showbiz. When I say that I mean, broadcasting, acting, music, modelling, porn industry etc?

    There must be exceptions, however I was amazed to see the fat ladies when I visited America!

  38. #38 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 2:23 PM


    Your observation was accurate to some extent. It depends which part of the country you visited. For instance in southern states people eat a lot of fried food so they’re very obese. However I live in a college/University town up north so it’s very different here 😀

    Why you hate fat people though? Don’t you want 300 lb of love?

  39. #39 by Vanilla pod on March 5, 2009 - 2:39 PM

    i dont see why Pakistani government or intelligance would attack the Sri Lankan cricket team. We know how much this cricket meant to Pakistanis. And Pakistan has never had any problems or grudges with Sri Lanka. If the attack had been on the English or Indian teams, i would have thought it was done for vandetta. It couldnt have been the LeT or other related groups cos they also seem to enjoy cricket. they are seen often sitting on rocks listining to their hand held, battery operated radios with a crappy reception. they either listen to the news or cricket.
    Sri Lankan team was promised a presidential level security. i am surprised what happened there. this matter should be investigated fully. how were some people able to come so close to the bus carrying the Sri Lankan team and that also in a rickshaw. i think those who were not happy with Sri Lanka playing in Pakistan were involved and as soon as they saw there was an opportunity, the terrorists were ordered to execute the plan.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 5, 2009 - 2:49 PM

    VP you are right there, the security forces were all busy looking after the Badmash Brothers interests. According to the GEO TV and Ansar Abbassi’s report, the terrorist plan to attack the Sri Lankan team was submitted to Shahbaz Sharif and his government, but bakaoz he was ousted he showed them his “go to hell wala” attitude. Thats what I have been saying all along that it was his and his government’s moral duty and obligation to have informed the Federal Govt and the media. But, that attitude, “Agar Hamari HAKOOMAT nahee hogi tou yehi hoga.” That is bad and that is why I demand an inquiry and they need severe punishment.

    To say RAW planned it or LTTE came all the way from Sri Lanka is absurd. Its all home grown and a filthy, ugly episode. The perpetrators would never be caught and apprehended, but the Punjab government is responsible and they should be punished. Like someone said on this blog, it is a kinda blessing for the Karachi people that it did not happen in Karachi. Besides, whether it was Sri Lanka or England, Australia or any team, if you give the terrorist an opportunity like this to attack they will reap it with both hands.

  41. #41 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 2:50 PM


    I don’t hate fat people!

    Well sometimes I don’t see what point there is for fat or unattractive ladies aged between 16-40 to exist, but that doesn’t mean I necessarily hate them 🙂

  42. #42 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 2:54 PM

    Damn right Khansahab, God made this World so beautiful, let’s keep that way 😀

  43. #43 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 5:49 PM


    It’s just that if God had made me a woman, I would look after my body more 🙂

  44. #44 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 5:56 PM

    Militants bomb Rehman Baba’s shrine in Pakistan

    A bomb exploded Thursday at the mausoleum of a 17th century Sufi poet Rehman Baba in northwestern Pakistan, underscoring the gulf between hard-line Muslims and those in the region who follow a traditional, mystical brand of Islam.

    A letter delivered three days before the attack to the management of the mausoleum of Sufi poet Rehman Baba on the outskirts of Peshawar warned against its promotion of “shrine culture,” said Sahibzada Mohammad Anees, a top government official in the city.

    The letter also noted that women were coming to pray at the shrine, he said.
    The blast damaged one corner of the shrine, but no one was injured.

    A very great shame

    Many Pakistanis like to pray at the tombs of mystics and holy men — a practice opposed by hard-line Muslims as un-Islamic. The extremists also believe Islam prohibits men and women from mingling unless they are husband and wife or close relatives.

    “To try to destroy his tomb is a heinous thing,” said Shah Hussein, a visitor to the shrine. “It is a very great shame.”

    Baba’s poems were laced with Islamic mysticism or Sufism and remain popular among the Pashtun people of northwest Pakistan and Afghanistan. A professor at Peshawar University told a local TV station that in many Pashtun homes, Baba’s poems are kept alongside the Islamic holy book, the Quran.

    Islamist militants have increased their hold over much of northwest Pakistan in recent years and are increasingly seen as a threat to other areas of this nation of 170 million people.

    Where are all those fu*king security agencies in Pakistan and what the f*ck are they doing?

  45. #45 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 5:57 PM


    God made nearly 3 billion women for you to choose from. And like Abdul said, you have to keep your vision in front of your eyes and stamp and unleash your authority.

  46. #46 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 6:08 PM


    Thanks for enlightening me with that helpful comment. I feel like now I have been granted “vision before my eyes”.

    Theossa, aap ney toh mujhey roshni dikha di! 🙂

    (ab bas thori si larkian dikha dein) 😉

  47. #47 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 6:18 PM


    You have to start unleashing your authority on gals like Omer do and not like Abdul who unleash it while taking baths 😀

  48. #48 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 6:49 PM


    Here only 2 kinds of good looking girls exist- Punjabans and Goris. One of them are too easy to get and the others, too hard 🙂

    So maybe unleashing my authority in baths will do for the time being 🙂

    Or will that mean I might “lose vision before my eyes”?


  49. #49 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 6:56 PM


    Unleashing authority actually help the immune system but everything should be in moderation 😀
    I’m not sure about losing vision but you’ll lose some lotion for sure, LOL.

    Agreed that Punjabi gals are pretty but why do you think Punjabi gals are easy? 🙄

  50. #50 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 6:59 PM


    I’m a man of extremes, Pathans don’t know moderation 🙂

    I was saying Goris are too easy, and Punjabans too hard.

    My immune system is weak so I think I need to follow the path of moderation 🙂 But as a male and Pathan it is extremely important for me to unleash authority on the opposite sex 🙂

  51. #51 by Mohammed Munir on March 5, 2009 - 7:04 PM

    Theossa …

    After Abdul, I guess you have now started “Channey Key Payr Per Chaaraho” with Khan Sahab 😉

  52. #52 by Theossa on March 5, 2009 - 7:04 PM

    I am disagree Khansahab, desi gals are damn easy!

    @ But as a male and Pathan it is extremely important for me to unleash authority on the opposite sex

    Why discriminate?

  53. #53 by Mohammed Munir on March 5, 2009 - 7:05 PM

    Khan Sahab …

    Don’t get spoiled with theossa talk.

    Stay calm and no need to ‘unleash’ anything over there.

    Have a visit to that Baloochi page.

  54. #54 by M. Y.. Kasim on March 5, 2009 - 7:58 PM

    I once again stand by my earlier conclusion that it was and IS the work of Indian intelligence agencies.

    It was, no doubt, helped by the upheavel created by the Badmash Brothers, who will even sell Pakistan if it suits them.

    While that yes-sir Governor and his cronies who were given the report that the perpetrators are planning the attack, it was ignored even at the Central level are equally responsible for the this criminal lapse.

    Gradually and surely, evidence will prove that India and only INDIA was behind this dastardly act.

    It has been harming Pakistan since the inception of Pakistan and it is a fact that we, the Pakistanis, are so naive that we become an unsuspecting tool in their nefarious designs all the times.

    And less said about PCB’s Butts, the better. I dont know when, if ever, we will have some sensible people at the PCB.

  55. #55 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 8:23 PM


    As to your question why I discriminate, well, I’m not THAT kind of Pathan 😉

  56. #56 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 8:24 PM

    Now someone is pressurising Bangladesh to cancel/postponed Pakistan tour – Miandad

    Javed Miandad, Pakistan former captain and ex Director General of PCB came hard on English ICC Match Referee Chris Board for violating the code of conduct and demanded a ban on him. “How he[Chris] can publicly criticise Pakistan’s security arrangements, after having praised them during the ODI series.”

    “Broad was fully satisfied and he personally appreciated it when I was incharge in Karachi. It’s a conspiracy against Pakistan cricket. Mr. Broad has changed his stance,” Miandad told APP in an interview. “Mr. Broad has clearly told me that he only submits his reports to ICC but he violated it by going into media,” he said.

    Miandad said if Chris Broad was not satisfied with the security arrangments he should have given it in writing to PCB and concerned authorities. Miandad also pointed out that Broad had praised the security arrangements in ODIs in its report to ICC as well to ECB without making it public.

    “It’s clear violation of the code of conduct and he[Broad] should be punished,” he said.
    “Its time for Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to get togather and fight it against this conspiracy,” he said.

    “Today it is Pakistan. But tomorrow it may be against India, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. We are regional teams and cricket is loved and worshipped in this part of the world and we must help each other,” he added.

    Chris Broad, ICC match referee slammed Pakistan for providing poor security, during the second test between Pakistan and Sri Lanka after eight persons including six policemen were killed during firing on the visiting team bus in the morning of third day of second test match.

    He also expressed his concerns over the impartiality of ICC. “ICC should have helped Pakistan cricket in this difficult time instead of salting the wounds,” he said. Javed Miandad said now someone is pressurising Bangladesh to cancel or postponed Pakistan tour to their country.

  57. #57 by khansahab on March 5, 2009 - 8:26 PM


    The LS Management is thankful to God because recently the leading UK news channel, Sky News, contacted us and asked if we could appear on some show to discuss the Lahore attacks.

    We thank Sky News for considering us in this matter and we are also thankful to LS bloggers for making this possible.

    Thank you all.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 12:07 AM

    Kasim Sahab, ab kya reh gaya blame ker nay ko? Jab chirya khet say chugg gayee dana!

    Whether it is India or the MF.. BB .. .. Badmash Brothers, the damage has been done, cricket ka janaaza hai zaraa dhoom say niklay!

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 12:08 AM

    SKY TV?

    khansahab thats a very good news that sky tv is not only reading our blog but have invited us for the discussion…. go ahead and present your views.

  60. #60 by Varun Suri on March 6, 2009 - 4:10 AM

    Dear Javed, khansahab and others,

    First of all my Congratulations to you all for being noticed by SKY and probably others, maybe you can guide them properly in how to go about their coverage about Sub-Continental issues.

    I was annoyed and frustrated by the reaction of some of the fellow bloggers and also defence experts such as Mr Qureishi and Mr Ahmed- something which you must have also gauged through the number of Spelling and Grammatical mistakes i made in my two previous comments.

    Then Yesterday I went to visit the Taj Mahal in Agra and also the birth place of Lord Krishna in Mathura and i was amazed to see that there exists a Mosque right on the other side of the Sri Krishna Temple and both Hindus and Muslims visit the temple and mosque and pray together for better times. The Taj Mahal is as fabulous as it was when i had visited it as a child only it is turning Yellow slowly and slowly due to the Mathura Oil Refinery.

    I am still disppointed with certain things like the Polling Results on your website where still almost 33% people believe that there is/was some Indian hand in what happened in Lahore recently. It only shows how deep the roots of mistrust are entrenched in both Indians and Pakistanis and you and me are minorities or exceptions in this most populous region of the World.

    It deeply saddens me with the state of affairs in our region because India cannot become a superpower or a developed country unless until there is peace everywhere in the neighbourhood and i hope that all educated and sane people in our region realise that like European Union either we will all rise together or we will all go down-hill together.

    I feel utterly disheartened and dejected when certain people on both sides of the Border do their best to poison the minds of the vast majorities of illiterate and ignorant people we have in our Countries. On one hand people like Mr Qureishi will always see India in a negative light whether it is India’s poverty or exaggerated Hindu Terrorism or on our side our pathetic media which sees no difference between an ordinary Pakistani and a Talibani or for that matter a Islamist Extremist.

    On one hand Mr Ahmed Qureishi likes to point out about the abject poverty present in India and other negative things but as i have said before he should understand that in a big and complext country like India any truism is likely to contradict itself if you ponder over it for a minute or two for example agreed we have still 200 million people living under 1$ which is rhoughly 22% of the population but one only has to look at thse figures for say 10-20 years back and one will instantly realise how much improvement we have made in this field since 1991 when something good happened in India on which i would elaborate some other day, also i would like to question Mr Qureishi while noticing the abject poverty and non-existent separatist movements in India such as Khalistan or the ones in North-East( with the exception of ULFA and BODO) why has he not been able to notice Indian Big Companies such as Tata, Reliance, INfosys, WIpro, Birla and many others who just before recession were on a buying spree abroad, just 2 days back TATA NANO has been exhibited in Geneva in an automobile exhibition and it will only cost 2000 dollars outside India. Does Mr Qureishi have anything to rival that? He should instead be focusing on the economical and political aspect of Pakistan’s establishment which needs an urgent attention from educated Pakistanis all over the World.

    Also, one has to understand that a common man sitting in USA or Latin America or Europe or anywhere far from Pakistan or unaware of the real situation inside Pakistan finds it difficult to differentiate between an ordinary Pakistani and all the uncouth Mullahs from Taliban and such-like. for them they are all the same and it deeply saddens me because i know not everyone is like them but now the onus is on such people to bring Pakistan out of the current mess and lead their country forward into the 21st Century.

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 4:48 AM

    JAVED MIANDAD still dreams and believes that India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh can form an alliance or a group called South Asian Block. He is DAY DREAMING. I am referring to the recent statement in which he lashed out his anger against Chris Broad’s public statement against Pakistan and asked for the formation of the Asian Block.

    Pakistanis are stupid to believe in such theories or ideologies, because this one is their own creation. India never said even once that they are interested in forming any such group or block. India will never do this to alienate itself or antagonize the ICC.

    Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are just like a pawn in this game. In fact Sri Lankan cricket board has already been bought by India for ten (10) years at a price tag of $45 million so they are without a spine. They are directly under India’s foot, geographically, historically, virtually, metaphorically and truthfully. As far as cricket is concerned, they cannot do anything on their own without India’s permission. Bangladesh are still the minnows just like Zimbabwe and, their primary aim is to play more games and raise their level rather than getting into politics.

    And, Pakistan! They are left alone in this game. First, it was their own politics within the PCB that was based on regionalism, jingoism, favourtism, nepotism and what not. Then the dirty politics that is being played by politicians of the country. So much so that the Punjab provincial government gave a blind eye and a deaf ear to the intelligence report about the terrorist attack. Why? Because, right at that time the Chief Minister of Punjab was disqualified by the Supreme Court of Pakistan and was stripped from the post of the CM.

    The result? Non-cooperation with the Federal Government, indifferent attitude towards the country and the public in general. Lawlessness, arson, chaos were instigated by the leaders of the PML(N) group. This resulted in further disaster when the terrorists took full advantage of the situation and attacked the Sri Lankan Cricket Team. Which is now being labeled as the darkest day in the history of cricket. Whether the Pakistanis admit it or not, this is like a taboo and will not only damage the game of cricket in the country but, it will haunt the cricket lovers in Pakistan for many years to come.

    So, what can Pakistan do in terms of reviving the game of cricket in Pakistan? For that there is no ready made treatment or medication, the problem needs to be addressed at the grass root level and not superficially and randomly.

    1. The first thing they have to do is, get united as one nation. That is the theory they need to believe in – A One Nation Theory – and not a 4 province country. That is the reality and not any Asian Block or South Asian Block. That is claptrap.

    2. They need to put their hearts together and not just their heads. Because, then there will be a Butt Head, a Walnut Head, a Goat Head and a Bullhead. It is not a matter of taking pride in tribalism and provincialism but in Nationalism.

    3. They need to learn to tolerate and respect people
    as individuals and not based on caste, race or tribe basis.

    4. They need to promote education in the country, it will not only help in uplifting the standard of living but, it will also help in creating better individuals, politicians, sports personalities.

    5. Cricket is the main sport that is loved by the majority of Pakistanis and the country has immense and abundance talent in almost every department of the game. The country has produced the finest fast bowlers in the world. They are creative, innovative and exceptional in the art of fast bowling. There is no need to mention the names of those players and no need to even call them as greats. Because, their greatness should not have stopped after their retirement. Unfortunately it did due to various personal reasons. Same is the case in the batting department. Fielding is the weakest link and that is because of the quality of grounds and poor infrastructure.


  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 5:08 AM


    The reason I stopped my comment abruptly with a note “To be continued” is because, number one it was getting a bit long and before people loose any interest in reading long comments, I thought of taking a break. And, as I was writing the last few lines, your comments appeared on the blog for approval. So, I decided to take a break and read your comments.

    Almost all of the points that you have mentioned below (now its below not above) “I am agree”. There are a few things which you ought to know are impossible to change and they exist on both sides of the border.

    As regards Ahmad Quraishi, I don’t agree with him on everything he writes. Besides, on his website he allows, rather publishes the views and comments of anyone provided they meet his approval or where “he is agree” so, the point is you don’t have to get upset by his views or about the views of the people who write on his website.

    Its past midnight here and I was watching the rain interrupted 2nd ODI, India Vs. NZ and after the second interruption I got cheesed off and started writing on the blog. Instead of writing or posting comments, I am thinking of writing a new thread on India / Pakistan relationship. I hope I will get some time tomorrow to sit down and gather my thoughts and put them on paper, rather hit them on the keyboard. So, until then Au Revoir et Bientot and don’t take such petty and trivial things to heart, but take it on kidneys ……….. that’s a high school vocabulary. 😀

  63. #63 by Varun Suri on March 6, 2009 - 6:14 AM

    Dear Omer,

    just a quick correction. 500 Million is exaggerated. If you go by the general figures the official number of people living under 1$ in INdia is around 200 Million.

  64. #64 by khansahab on March 6, 2009 - 9:38 AM

    India involved in Lahore attack: Tamil rebels

    COLOMBO: Tamil rebels have claimed Indian involvement in attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore.

    The rebels’ news website claimed India has hatched the conspiracy to keep Sri Lanka at distance from Pakistan and China.

    The website also claimed that the attack on Pakistan ambassador in Colombo was planned by the Indian spy agency to disrupt flourishing military cooperation between Colombo and Islamabad.

  65. #65 by khansahab on March 6, 2009 - 9:54 AM


    You make the situation out to be more simple than it actually is. I accept a solid political system and lack of Army intervention has helped Indian democracy to flourish, but the reason why the above could not be achieved in Pakistan is this:

    1) Feudal system: India also has feudals but you just have to look at the number of MPA’s and MNA’s that are feudals to see how much control and power they exercise over the country. When you speak against the reasons why after so much hullaboo, conflicts and disagreement we still have this solid feudal system after 60 years of independence, you get told you are are a minority who wants to impose upon a majority, hence democratically speaking what you are saying is invalid.

    2) Corruption: Pakistan started as a democracy, it did not start as a military dictatorship. However, the political parties, who are the torch bearers of democracy, have never been democratic themselves and all of them are run like “one-man shows”. Even Tehreek e Insaaf, arguably Pakistan’s most progressive party, is run like a one-man show. This narrows the differences between dictatorship and democratic government. The political system in Pakistan is a closed shop for people who come from the middle class with no backing from feudals or big businessmen. The middle class is the class that heralds democracy. Hence, you have this situation in Pakistan. It is for these reasons why we have had such incensed debates about how good or bad Musharraf was for Pakistan.

    3) Religious extremism: In Pakistan the general public was always more fanatic about religion than India. In fact, India now has more religious extremism than Pakistan, whereas in Pakistan people are alienating themselves from religion in such a way that womanising, drinking etc is being considered as “modern” and following even the basic tenets of religion is kind of being discouraged. The extremism that you see in NWFP and Muridke etc, that is more like “political extremism” rather than extremism which is based on religion. Although Pakistan has progressed socially in the last 10 years, even now in small towns and villages you have people who can afford to send their kids to schools, but send them to madrasshas because they believe that education will send their kids to Heaven, whereas other education is useless. That attitude was never present in India. Even though education was emphasised by the Prophet (PBUH), Muslims never really understood what he was trying to say. In India however, education and nationalism was always the first priority.

  66. #66 by Abdul on March 6, 2009 - 10:11 AM

    When are u on sky tv. Please tell me urgently !!!

  67. #67 by Abdul on March 6, 2009 - 10:12 AM

    Please tell me urgently when your on sky tv.

  68. #68 by Theossa on March 6, 2009 - 1:41 PM

    Congratulation to LS team on being invited to Sky TV Show, I hope Khansahab and Awas will highlight the importance of citizens bearing firearms 😀

    When will we have this vision in front of our eyes?

  69. #69 by Varun Suri on March 6, 2009 - 1:45 PM

    ISLAMABAD: Investigators are zeroing in on the footprints of the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), according to preliminary investigations by the Joint Investigation Team probing Tuesday’s attack on Sri Lankan cricketers at Lahore’s Liberty Chowk.

    Sketchy details of the initial probe suggest that a group of headstrong Lashkar activists, who went underground and remained in hiding in Rawalpindi after the crackdown on Lashkar and Jamaatud Dawa in December, had acted on their own and carried out the attack.

    Although officials would not confirm the involvement of Lashkar, they categorically ruled out the possibility of involvement of the Indian spy agency RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) or the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) as no evidence has been found so far pointing in their direction….


  70. #70 by Varun Suri on March 6, 2009 - 1:58 PM

    You give the example of the cheapest car that will be made in India but what you don’t consider is that it is the cheapest car precisely because there is very cheap labor.


    Cheap Labour is one of the reasons why some 3rd World Countries like China, Brazil and India(BRIC) are growing at a rapid pace. I do not understand why one should see this as a negative point. Infact if there is Political stability in Pakistan it too can make full use of this factor which is common in every developing country.

    The main reason why the engines of Indian Economy started firing since 1991 was due to the liberalisation policies adopted by the then Finance Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh. I don’t understand how you can link the Political debates with Economy because if you ever get your hands across a book by Nobel Prize Winner Economist Amartya Sen titled The Argumentative Indian you would realise that the concept of Democratic participation is not something new to Indians(including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal); something which was not taught to us by the British Empire but something which is in our Genes. It is since time im-memorial that We South-Asians have had this habit of arguing and debating on every trivial issue on hand which has been throughly recorded in the annals of History whether it was the Great Mughal Emprire of Akbar or Maratha Shivaji or the kingdom Rajput Prithvi Raj Chauhan.

    In India there is a special dedicated police force called CRPF(Central Reserve Police Force)
    directly under the command of the Home Minister whose one of the main function is to prevent/suppress any uprising from the Indian Army or for that matter any of the Defence Forces; this discourages any ambitious defence personnel to cast any shadow on the Democratic Setup of the Government. Why can’t Pakistan have a similar Police force under some minister which can prevent the Army taking over every now and then?

  71. #71 by Theossa on March 6, 2009 - 2:07 PM

    Theossa’s Long Term Economic Stimulus Plan

    When recession stuck U.S. in 1930s it was World War II that rescued it. When economy was crumbling and trembling in late 1980s it was internet and dotcom business that lifted U.S. So history shows us U.S. does resurface after a deep dip. What could it be this time? What about the rescission in the rest of the World? I don’t know but I have a suggestion:

    Make the use of drugs legal all around the World. Every adult person should be able to purchase and keep a certain amount of drugs. It should be taxed just like liquor is taxed. U.S. is already in Afghanistan, the Poppy Capitol of the World so it can supply the ever growing drug demand all around the World. Drug s get on the street anyway and it will be available as long as there a demand just like guns so why not make it legal and tax it? Similarly U.S. should also make military bases in Columbia and Burma the golden countries with unlimited drug supply potential. People of Afghan will prosper and unemployment rate will drop significantly. Pakistan can also become a booming economy and top supplier by legalizing the drug trade. Poor and neglected provinces like NWFP and Balochistan will benefit the most. The activity at Karachi Sea Ports will dramatically increase and will benefit the locals. The small home grown drug factories should be treated like small business. We are talking about a multi trillion dollar business here. I hope people who read this blog take a notice.

  72. #72 by khansahab on March 6, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    Theossa and Abdul

    Regrettably you will not have vision before your eyes because Awas received the request to appear and he is very busy!

    However, they might have quoted our blog on the news….

  73. #73 by khansahab on March 6, 2009 - 2:23 PM

    Varun and Omer

    Whatever people say, I am thankful to Ayub Khan for whatever industrial progress Pakistan made in his time and I am thankful to Musharraf for the social and economic progress.

    I don’t think any civilian leader did anything as remarkable for Pakistan.

    If you both knew how pathetic Pakistani civilian leaders are, you would also wish people like Musharraf stay in power in Pakistan.

    A person who has been brought up knowing that he can do what he likes but he will still be rich, powerful and influential in his future, can never be a good leader. That is what happens with feudal leaders in Pakistan. They’re born with a silver spoon and they do all the evils in the world because they know they cannot be held accountable. Hence when they come to power you see a one-man show, abuse of all institutions, violation of human rights- all in the name of democracy. And to say that you have the support of 50 or 60% of the country’s population is a sick joke.

  74. #74 by khansahab on March 6, 2009 - 2:31 PM

    I am very upset that there is a rumour circulating that Younis Khan was involved in these terror attacks.

    There is no news article to substantiate this, but it seems Sarfraz Nawaz made a remark that Younis planned something of this nature because the Lahore track was spinning profusely and Younis was afraid Pakistan might lose. In that case Younis was afraid he might lose captaincy.

    Again I reiterate that this is a rumour, nothing in the media to prove it. However, it is disgraceful if Nawaz really said that.

  75. #75 by Theossa on March 6, 2009 - 2:37 PM


    I always suspected Younis Khan (RAW), Munir (MOSAAD), and Abdul (MI6) were behind these attacks. Truth will prevail very soon!

  76. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 2:46 PM


    Why do you even have to report Sarfaraz Nawaz’s comments on the blog? Since you already have, I have to say that uncouth fitna, the product of Hira Mandi has a big bad mouth and he can say anything to degrade or disgrace his own parents, which he still doesn’t know who they are and where they live? He can say that whatever he likes, let him go to hell.

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 2:56 PM

    On Ayub Khan and Musharraf, “I am agree” avec khansahab. It was during Ayub Khan’s time the blueprint of Pakistan’s industrial infrastructure was drafted and most of it was implemented, the Esso Fertilizer plant at Dharki, the Oil Refinery at Karachi etc. And, he created a climate of investment and Karachi became the hub of Pakistan’s industrial progress until His Master’s Voice puppet ZA Bhutto arrived. That MF Bhutto ruined the country, half of it became Bangladesh and the other half went to the dogs.

    In between Zia screwed the country in the name of Shariah and brewed the Mullah culture and the gun culture. BB and NS both looted the country twice and now this MF Zardari is here to wipe off the country and NS and his little badmash brother are also keen to loot the booty.

    Only Musharraf made sincere and honest efforts in making some progress in almost every field. He even used his cricket diplomacy in creating a healthy relationship with India, that never happened before in the 62 year old history of India / Pakistan. I would certainly like to see him back into power backed by a civilian party.

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 3:20 PM

    Theossa’s Long Term Economic Stimulus Plan ……… SUCKS

    Theo: It seems you have no or, very little knowledge of economics BAKAOZ everything is related to demand and supply. If you make the drugs legal then the demand will go down as the supply will increase. Drugs consumption is not like rice or flour that you need in abundance. The reason drugs are expensive is because of its scarcity and once it will be available in the open market, the demand will subside.

    Either you have used your own Akhroat Brain or Natalie’s Brain to come up with this ingenious idea. This is not like Deer Hunting or fishing. You need some real brains and someone told you that if you keep eating CANNED TUNA FISH SANDWICH your brainpower will increase and you are eating since the last 7 years? 😀

  79. #79 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 3:34 PM


    That figure of 200 million below the poverty line is a bit conservative. I was reading in one of the Indian newspapers, probably it was The Hindu, in which the figures of homeless people was quoted as 340 million out of a population of 1.2 billion. Which was kinda scary because, that is twice the size of Pakistan’s population. And these homeless people do not approve family planning or do not have the means to control the population growth. Therefore, the newspaper was warning that in the next 15-20 years, the homeless population itself will be over a billion and that will create a huge problem for India.

    On your comparison between India and Pakistan, I have said this b4 so many times that one should not compare India with Pakistan, just because they are neighbours and share similar cultural, religious and ethnic background doesn’t mean they are same. You may compare India with China, like China cannot be compared with Japan in the same way India cannot be compared with Pakistan or vice-versa.

    Pakistan’s needs are different from India they may never be building huge gigantic industries like India, if there is political stability in Pakistan then, they will progress faster than India in terms of keeping or maintaining a better standard of living than India. And that is what is needed – aam aadmi ko kya chahiyeh? Roti, Kapra aur Makaan + TV, Hifi and Computer? And, not to mention a BMW. 😀

  80. #80 by Theossa on March 6, 2009 - 3:41 PM


    Yeah my philosophies sound crazy but I couldn’t understand your notion that why the demand will go down? The prices will go down but demand should increase as all those Uchhey Buchhay like yourself who follow the law in Western countries might want to try drugs. Drug is not like other commodities or gadgets, once you are hooked on drugs you will keep using it to feel the ecstasy. Also, consider the fact that as the everyday life gets more and more mechanical, stressful, and subjected to monotony people will try drugs just to escape the bitter reality of life. Liquor is fine but there is nothing like drugs. I was more specific about U.S. drug market though because I know how revenue is collected liquors sales here. Our state Pennsylvania just in this quarter collected $80 million on liquor sales taxes.

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 3:49 PM

    Gundey Buchay Theo

    I know I cannot convince an Akhroat brain on this highly sophisticated issue of ‘demand and supply’ the drugs you are talking about is not Niswar. If you ban Niswar then the price of Niswar ki Dibbi in NWFP will be more than that of a BMW. 😀

    By the grace of God, I always had more than enough money to enjoy life and I have traveled all over the world, ate excellent gourmet food, wore designer clothes etc. If I ever wanted to indulge in any bad habit such as smoking, drinking, doing drugs or gambling etc., I could have easily done that and got addicted. These are just small vices, I do bigger vice 😉 such as eating onions……………… 😀

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 3:53 PM


    On a dead pitch like this, if you keep on bowling bouncers, I will be hooking them over the deep fine leg for sixes. So, change your game plan man.

    Btw, where are the girls today? Also our Munir-e-Khana daari?

  83. #83 by Theossa on March 6, 2009 - 4:04 PM

    Yes I agree, one shouldn’t try drugs to enjoy life BUT then again you haven’t seen nothing yet 😀

    Quoting from you, “Bandar kia jaane adrak ka maza Or Gadhay ko Zaafraan ki kya qadr?” 😆

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 4:08 PM

    Quoting from you, “Bandar kia jaane adrak ka maza Or Gadhay ko Zaafraan ki kya qadr?”

    HAHAHAHAHA, lageee, lageee, tupeeee tupeeee
    Theo, yar I said that yesterday,
    choro kal ki baatain, kal ki baat purani ….

  85. #85 by khansahab on March 6, 2009 - 6:57 PM

    Lashkar denies involvement in Lahore attack

    Friday, 06 Mar, 2009

    SRINAGAR: Militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) on Friday denied involvement in the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore, saying it was the ‘handiwork’ of Indian agencies.

    ‘The attack on Sri Lankan cricketers is an attack on Pakistan, which Kashmiri Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Taiba cannot even think of,’ Abdullah Gaznavi, the spokesman for the group, told Reuters by telephone.

    ‘The attack is the handiwork of Indian agencies to malign the freedom struggle of Kashmir and Pakistan,’ Gaznavi said from an undisclosed location.

    Pakistani authorities said they were making progress in the investigation on the attack on Sri Lankan cricketers as they drove to the main stadium in Lahore on Tuesday.

    Seven Pakistanis, six policemen and the driver of a bus carrying match officials, were killed. Six Sri Lankan players and two team officials were wounded.

    ‘Media reports suggesting Lashkar’s involvement in the attack are lies and against journalistic ethics,’ said Gaznavi.

    India says the LeT was behind November’s attacks in Mumbai which killed nearly 170 people.

  86. #86 by Theossa on March 6, 2009 - 7:28 PM

    Following is Imran Khan’s letter to Obama. It’s a rather long one but worth reading!

    Your extraordinary ascent to the U.S. Presidency is, to a large part, a reflection of your remarkable ability to mobilize society, particularly the youth, with the message of “change.” Indeed, change is what the world is yearning for after eight long and almost endless years of carnage let loose by a group of neo-cons that occupied the White House.

    Understandably, your overarching policy focus would be the security and welfare of all U.S. citizens and so it should be. Similarly, our first and foremost concern is the protection of Pakistani lives and the prosperity of our society. We may have different social and cultural values, but we share the fundamental values of peace, harmony, justice and equality before law.

    No people desire change more than the people of Pakistan, as we have suffered the most since 9/11, despite the fact that none of the perpetrators of the acts of terrorism unleashed on the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001, were Pakistani. Our entire social, political and economic fabric is in a state of meltdown. Our sovereignty, dignity and self-respect have been trampled upon. The previous U.S. administration invested in dictators and corrupt politicians by providing them power crutches in return for total compliance to pursue its misconceived war on terror.

    There are many threats confronting our society today, including the threat of extremism. In a society where the majority is without fundamental rights, without education, without economic opportunities, without health care, the use of sheer force and loss of innocent lives continues to expand the extremist fringe and contract the space for the moderate majority.

    Without peace and internal security, the notion of investing in development in the war zones is a pipe dream, as the anticipated benefits would never reach the people. So the first and foremost policy objective should be to restore the peace. This can only be achieved through a serious and sustained dialogue with the militants and mitigation of their genuine grievances under the ambit of our constitution and law. Since Pakistan’s founding leader signed a treaty in 1948 with the people of the country’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas and withdrew Pakistani troops, they had remained the most peaceful and trouble-free part of Pakistan up until the post-9/11 situation, when we were asked to deploy our troops in FATA.

    Even a cursory knowledge of Pushtun history shows that for reasons of religious, cultural and social affinity, the Pushtuns on both sides of the Durand Line (which marks the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan) cannot remain indifferent to the suffering of their brethren on either side. The Pushtuns are proud of their history of resisting every invader from Alexander onwards, to the Persians, Moghuls, British and the Russians (all superpowers of their times) who were all bogged down in the Pushtun quagmire. So, no government, Pakistani or foreign, will ever be able to stop Pushtuns crossing over the 1,500-kilometer border to support their brethren in distress on either side, even if it means fighting the modern-day superpower in Afghanistan. Recent history shows how the mighty Soviet Union had to retreat from Afghanistan with its army defeated even though it had killed over a million Afghans.

    To an average Pushtun, notwithstanding the U.N. Security Council sanction, the U.S. is an occupying power in Afghanistan that must be resisted. It is as simple as that. Therefore, the greatest challenge confronting U.S. policy in Afghanistan is how to change its status from an occupier to a partner. The new U.S. administration should have no doubt that there is no military solution in Afghanistan. As more innocent Pushtuns are killed, more space is created for new Taliban and even Al-Qaida recruits–revenge being an integral part of the Pushtun character. So, as with Iraq, the U.S. should give a time table for withdrawal from Afghanistan and replace NATO and U.S. forces with U.N. troops during the interim period.

    The Pushtuns then should be involved in a dialogue process where they should be given a stake in the peace. As the majority’s stake in peace grows, proportionately the breeding ground for extremists shrinks.

    The crucial lesson the U.S. needs to learn–and learn quickly–is that you can only win against terrorists if the majority in a community considers them terrorists. Once they become freedom fighters and heroes amongst their people, history tells us that the battle is lost.

    Terrorism worldwide is an age-old phenomenon and cannot be eliminated by rampaging armies, no matter how powerful. It can only be contained by a strategy of building democratic societies and addressing the root causes of political conflicts. The democratization part of this strategy demands a strategic partnership between the West and the people of the Islamic world, who are basically demanding dignity, self-respect and the same fundamental rights as the ordinary citizen in the West enjoys. However, this partnership can only be forged if the U.S. and its close Western allies are prepared to accept and coexist with credible democratic governments in the Islamic world that may not support all U.S. policies as wholeheartedly as dictators and discredited politicians do in order to remain in power.

    The roots of terror and violence lie in politics–and so does the solution. We urge the new administration to conduct a major strategic review of the U.S.-led war on terror, including the nature and kind of support that should realistically be expected of Pakistan keeping in mind its internal security interests. Linking economic assistance to sealing of its western frontier will only force the hand of a shaky and unstable government in Pakistan to use more indiscriminate force in FATA, a perfect recipe for disaster.

    The stability of the region hinges on a stable Pakistan. Any assistance to improve governance and social indicators must not be conditional. For the simple reason that any improvement in the overall quality of life of ordinary citizens and more effective writ of the state would only make mainstream society less susceptible to extremism. However, if the new U.S. administration continues the Bush administration’s mantra of “do more,” to which our inept leadership is likely to respond to by using more force, Pakistan could become even more accessible to forces of extremism leading to further instability that would spread across the region, especially into India, which already faces problems of extremism and secessionist movements. Such a scenario would benefit no one–certainly not Pakistan and certainly not the U.S. That is why your message of meaningful change, Mr. President, must guide your policies in this region also.

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 7:31 PM

    Why is everyone buttering Obama?

  88. #88 by Theossa on March 6, 2009 - 7:33 PM


    Because he is the most powerful person on the face of Earth right now! Don’t reply with U.S. bashing just accept it.

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 7:35 PM

    So, the expression “Worship the rising Sun” is correct? I am agree not. 😀


    Every single US President is always the most powerful person on earth even George Dubiya Bush was one! So, whats new?


    Powerful means people should start buttering? 😀 Imran Khan is a Chamcha then. 😀

  90. #90 by Theossa on March 6, 2009 - 7:44 PM

    Every U.S. president will be the most powerful person as long as U.S. remains a superpower. Imran Khan is a sincere leader who is aware of the realities on the ground unlike people who still have their heads stuck in their asses so they think emotionally with no rational thoughts 😀

    I’m off for the home but I hope some people will find this letter very wise and sincere.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 7:47 PM

    There are a few more expressions like, “Every dog has his day.” And, “The Sun never sets in the British Empire.” But, all things must come to an end etc., etc. 😀

    Na koi reha hai
    Na koi rehay ga

  92. #92 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 6, 2009 - 7:50 PM

    Every U.S. president will be the most powerful person as long as U.S. remains a superpower. …. Theo

    Financially, it is no more a superpower, the US owes China THREE TRILLION DOLLAR IN DEBTS….. and from inside it is already hollow …. as a military machine, yes they are a power to reckon. Take care have a nice week-end.

  93. #93 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 12:32 AM


    What Imran is saying is right, however it is nothing that is not known to Obama already. And Obama will not give a sh*t.


    We are not that desperate to know your real name. Save yourself the vanity.

    Current favourite cricketers, well, not many. I used to like Malik a lot personally, but his batting stance has changed lately. This is not to say he is ineffective now, but I don’t find his style that appealing.
    Afridi is good an as allover cricketer. Younis is good as an allover batsman. Butt’s offside strokeplay is good on the eyes. Although Sohail Khan was rusty in the Karachi Test, I liked his some of his deliveries- he was developing some good rhythm, but he wasn’t consistent.

    There have been only 2 performers that have lit up my eyes in the past few years, from Pakistan: Fawad Alam in ABN AMRO T20 Cup and Rana Naved in ICL. Alam was the best bowler, batsman and fielder of that tournament and he handled Rana, Asif, Razzaq etc like they were club level bowlers. I remember how difficult Younis Khan and Yousuf found to play his bowling. You will perhaps find it strange to believe, but it’s true.

    Rana was amazing in ICL 2008. He dominated everyone, he was just too good. His bowling was unplayable.

    Of course Imran Nazir was special, but I don’t like that style of batting where a player tries to hit a 6 every ball.

    Other than that I saw 2 innings from Hasan Raza in ICL and his batting was like a combination of Tendulkar and Inzamam. Some of his shots were such that they would make Viv Richards proud. I remember one shot he played off Tahir Mughal, he just moved sideways, exposing all of his stumps, and opened his arms, he seemed to have all the time in the world and he hit the ball above the covers for a massive 6. That was a rare shot, only a genius can play like that.

    Across the world, I like this Samaraweera’s batting, he is a natural timer and has a good range of shots. India’s Rohit Sharma is also good, he has not proven himself for some time but some of his innings were very good. He was batting like Tendulkar- creating strokes out of all kinds of balls. Owais Shah of England has a very good technique and temperament- he is a good combination of English temperament and patience, but South Asian wrists and dynamism.

    Bowling wise I like Mitchell Johnson of Australia- he is a complete bowler and has all the ingredients to become an all time great.

  94. #94 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 10:04 AM

    The terrorism has shifted to Sindh now:

    PML-N strike gets poor response in Sindh

    By Aziz Malik

    Saturday, 07 Mar, 2009

    HYDERABAD: Except for partial strike in some parts of Badin district, PML-N’s strike call got no response in other districts of Sindh which are dominated by PPP.

    Partial strike was observed in Badin’s areas of Golarchi and Kario Ghanwar towns while business activities continued as usual in other towns. Traffic was also normal.

    Shopkeepers in Badin opened their shops after assurance of police and PPP activists for protection.

    PML-N activists burnt tires at main city points and disrupted traffic. Clashes between PPP and PML-N activists were reported in Golarchi when the latter tried to close shops. Clashes continued for quite some time, causing harassment. Three PPP activists and a police officer were reportedly injured.

    In Hyderabad, a group of PML-N activists staged a protest demonstration outside local press club, demanding restoration of Shahbaz Sharif. They raised pro-Sharif slogans but there was no special influence of the strike as Friday is observed as an off-day anyway.

    PML-N strikes in Shikarpur, hairpur, Mirpurkhas and Nawabshah did not receive much of a response either, as shops and markets remained open and traffic kept flowing normally.

    Four PML-N activists were also arrested in Larkana for forcing shopkeepers to pull down shutters.

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 7, 2009 - 1:09 PM

    Do you believe this FRAUDIA NAWAZ?

    Pakistan Muslim League-N Chief Nawaz Sharif said on Saturday that, he would not sit in rest until he roots out what he called the politics of hypocrisy and fraud.

    He used the words, “Mai nay Bagghawut ka Alum Uthaa Liya hai” meaning, I am carrying the flag of Mutiny & revolt.

    Addressing a public meeting in Faisalabad, Nawaz Sharif said the real court of people is before me right here.

    He said the parliament should represent this parliament of people ‘that is here in front of me.’ We do not accept the Supreme Court of Islamabad, he said.

    This is the same MF who wanted to bring back judiciary in Pakistan and now he is not accepting the Supreme Court’s decision. BC sala using the public sentiments and fooling the masses.

    For what they did in Lahore recently and how they have looted the country in the past, both these brothers should be hanged upside down on their 3all$.

  96. #96 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 2:49 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Yes I saw that speech of Nawaz Sharif. I was also appalled at him trying to instigate civil disobedience.

    I care about no political parties but I agree with what PPP is saying, that negotiations should settle the issue, not public unrest and terrorism.

  97. #97 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 3:23 PM

    Time For A Pakistani Putin


    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Independent judiciary is a noble cause. But as the latest political mess shows, Pakistan’s existential crisis lies in the failure of its elitist politicians and in a flawed political system unable to match the creativity and aspirations of middle and lower class Pakistanis.

    The growth of music, fashion, IT, media and other creative industries in Pakistan over the past fifteen years happened with almost no help from a stagnant political class unable to regenerate itself or allow new leaderships to emerge. Without breaking the stranglehold of this monopoly, Pakistan will not be in a position to stop this ruling elite from continuing to use divisive and destructive ethnic, linguistic, sectarian and confrontational politics as diversions from their failure to provide statesmanship.

    It is bad enough that the present government in Pakistan is the result of a ‘deal’ hatched at the U.S. Department of State in 2006 and early 2007. The deal allowed the President and some of his key confidants to be brought back from exile to rule the country. What is equally bad is that now we have a senior politician, Mr. Nawaz Sharif, inciting civil disobedience and ‘ethnicizing’ his political problems, portraying them as a battle between a Sindhi President and Punjab, giving himself the right to represent the province. This has evoked retaliatory salvos from politicians in Sindh. Pakistanis are being further divided to suit the interests of expedient politicians.

    While this leadership failure spreads, the government appears to have given up even the pretense of protecting the interests of the nation. Now America’s failed and disastrous war in Afghanistan is being shifted into Punjab with the decision to shift NATO’s transport terminals to the Pakistani heartland. No one knows who took this decision or whether Pakistani citizens were asked for their consent before further endangering their lives for someone else’s war. Reports are also pouring in warning that Gwadar is about to lose any advantage that Pakistan could have extracted from this port as a trade conduit to China and Central Asia as the Indian-built Iranian port of Chah Bahar not only gets operational but its land routes to Afghanistan have been completed. U.S. and India have been bitter about Gwadar from the start and wanted to see it scuttled. Now this is being done at the hands of the Singapore government authority that was assigned to run the port and which brought it down to a standstill. Another capitulation to foreign diktat occurred on Feb. 18. The media didn’t even notice when President Zardari fired deputy attorney general Sardar Mohammad Ghazi, his own special prosecutor, because Mr. Ghazi had the audacity to say that Pakistan wanted the extradition of Ajmal Kassab in order to force India to answer some of the mysterious details of the Mumbai attacks that New Delhi are avoiding to address despite a formal request from Pakistan. This is where any educated observer can tell you that we have hit rock bottom.

    Today’s Pakistan resembles Russia eight years ago: a nation under pressure from United States and Britain, ruling elites subservient to Washington and London, ethnic and sectarian insurgencies being encouraged from the outside, and foreign-inspired intrigues underway to weaken and neutralize the security establishment from within. The most important resemblance between a crumbling Russia in the 1990s and today’s Pakistan is that a chaotic and messy version of democracy with full backing from Washington and London that brought Russia close to collapse is in progress in Pakistan. This version of democracy is controlled through American and British assets within the Pakistani political elite, which itself is increasingly shifting its wealth abroad, pretty much like the pro-Western Russian oligarchs did before the arrival of Vladimir Putin on the scene.

    To be fair, any outside meddling in Pakistan is only exploiting flaws in our political system where powerful families perpetuate control over political parties and provinces carved on ethnic basis ensure that even the smallest administrative or political issues turn into ethnic conflict.

    Pakistan has reached a stage where it needs a creative, unorthodox, homegrown solution. Pakistan needs a period of stability and healing. Some of the chaotic aspects of democracy need to be curtailed for the said period where a government led by civilian technocrats can run the country, borrowing from the disciplined and organizational powers of the military in a hybrid civil-military arrangement. The first task of this arrangement would be to implement law without exception. Other remedial, long term steps could include disqualifying those politicians whom the nation has tried and tested. This would clean the field for more capable to emerge. Parties can be forcibly democratized by law and lingo-ethnic and sectarian politics should be outlawed. The biggest service this new setup can do to the nation is to reorganize politics through a series of smaller, administrative provinces with a local parliament and a directly elected president. This would build on the existing local government system and localize all politics in Pakistan.

  98. #98 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 3:35 PM

    Varun and other Indians,

    I do not agree with everything Ahmed Qureshi (AQ) says. There is another journalist called Zaid Hamid, who is well versed in South Asian politics. I feel both of them display a jingoistic attitude sometimes.

    However, Mr Qureshi is good for Pakistan in the sense that, he always talks about unity between the different people in Pakistan. He is against provincial supremacy, sham democracy and ethnic politics that have destroyed Pakistan.

    So my verdict on him is mixed.

    AQ has often spoken about regional divisions of Pakistan not based on ethnic fears, but purely administrative issues.

    I think dividing Balochistan and NWFP will help managing them, and then the tribals there can elect their own leader. As long as what they are doing is in conformity with the constitution, I think giving them more autonomy is harmless. Punjab is the only province which is free of any major ethnic or tribal tensions, however if it is divided into 2 or 3 smaller regions, it will also be easier to manage arguably.

    Sindh will be the cause for concern though, because dividing it will make MQM stronger and all ethnicities will be against it. So maybe they can let Sindh remain how it is, and make some divisions in the rest of the country?

  99. #99 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 7, 2009 - 5:56 PM


    I am busy today and I have to go out in a while, but whenever I’ll find time, I will reply to your comments on AQ’s views.

    You are talking about further division of Pakistan into smaller provinces. Very recently I was talking about dissolving the trivial issues of tribalism, regionalism, jingoism and concentrate more on Nationalism. As far as I know AQ also talks about Nationalism.

    The four provinces at the moment are enough, even if you make 3 or 4 more divisions of Punjab, the status or the political climate will not change, like you’ve cited the example of Sindh and MQM, similarly if you divide Punjab further, there will be more politicians and there will be more mess and more chaos.

    It is the people’s mentality and the attitude that needs to be changed and not the superficial borders, divisions, fractions within the country. And, the only way to change people is through education.

  100. #100 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 6:07 PM

    Javed A Khan

    The reason why I said division of provinces may be a good idea is because managing a smaller entity is easier than a larger one. Pakistan has faced no real progress except in bits and pieces in Musharraf’s and Ayub Khan’s times.

    India has been doing that and it has helped rather than hindered. Of course a rationale behind why they have done it is because they can dilute the power of minorities by “dividing them”. When you divide people you obviously dilute their collective strength.

    If Punjab is worried that NWFP or Baluchistan may wish to become independent in the forseeable future or may want to become a part of Iran or Afghanistan, by diving NWFP and Baluchistan the risk of that happening will be lesser.

    It will set a precedent though and people of Sindh and/or Karachi may also join the bandwagon and say they want independence. They can divide Sindh in such a way that Karachi is split into two, which will quell those fears, too.

  101. #101 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 6:15 PM

    I was watching an interview of 3 politicians from each of PPP, PML N and PML Q.

    It was a really incensed debate and the PPP and PML N people were at each other’s throats.

    I don’t know what’s wrong with PML N? Why are they so paindoo? All 3 of them were Punjabis but the PPP woman and PML Q guy were much more refined and sophisticated. They also spoke Urdu much more clearly and their accents were not that strong.

    In the end when the PML N guy started speaking a lot of nonsense, the PPP woman said that some of the judges Nawaz Sharif appointed in his time were so close to him that he used to shop for things using their credit cards.

    Also, for the first time I saw the PPP admit that CJ Choudhary is not an independent judge and he is completely partial towards Nawaz Sharif.

  102. #102 by Awas on March 7, 2009 - 8:08 PM

    I’m all for provincial autonomy as I have mentioned often before. Giving power and autonomy to provinces can only give people sense of belonging, harmony and self-respect. Further divisions of any province, on the other hand, could well be detrimental to the unity. It is better to have one Pakistan and no provinces than more provinces. That however may not be feasible as minorities are bound to feel that they would be further suppressed. So, provincial autonomy what many politicians have talked about but done nothing is what needs to be done seriously.

    khansahab, I agree as I too have mentioned before that the times of Musharraf’s and Ayub Khan’s were the best in comparison to all others. And why leaders of PML-N are so paidoo are not so difficult to see. If the leader of the party himself is so paindoo and embroiled in just personal vendetta (just as BB was against Zia-ul Haq) and nothing else then cronies all around him are bound to be the same.

  103. #103 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 9:21 PM

    I am appalled at the jingoism of Vir Sanghvi, the Hindustantimes writer. I have respected Mr Sanghvi’s dynamism and intelligence before but what he has written in this article is absolute rubbish. I couldn’t even imagine someone of his stature could write jingoistic gibberish like this. Vir is not Ahmed Qureshi, who is hardly known compared to Vir and writes for a website that probably does not even have 1/10th of Hindustantimes’ viewership.

    The same people? Surely not

    Few things annoy me as much as the claim often advanced by well-meaning but woolly- headed (and usually Punjabi) liberals to the effect that when it comes to India and Pakistan, “We’re all the same people, yaar.”

    This may have been true once upon a time. Before 1947, Pakistan was part of undivided India and you could claim that Punjabis from West Punjab (what is now Pakistan) were as Indian as, say, Tamils from Madras.

    But time has a way of moving on. And while the gap between our Punjabis (from east Punjab which is now the only Punjab left in India) and our Tamils may actually have narrowed, thanks to improved communications, shared popular culture and greater physical mobility, the gap between Indians and Pakistanis has now widened to the extent that we are no longer the same people in any significant sense.

    This was brought home to me most clearly by two major events over the last few weeks.

    The first of these was the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team on the streets of Lahore. In their defence, Pakistanis said that they were powerless to act against the terrorists because religious fanaticism was growing. Each day more misguided youngsters joined jihadi outfits and the law and order situation worsened.

    Further, they added, things had got so bad that in the tribal areas the government of Pakistan had agreed to suspend the rule of law under pressure from the Taliban and had conceded that sharia law would reign instead. Interestingly, while most civilised liberals should have been appalled by this surrender to the forces of extremism, many Pakistanis defended this concession.

    Imran Khan (Keble College, Oxford, 1973-76) even declared that sharia law would be better because justice would be dispensed more swiftly! (I know this is politically incorrect but the Loin of the Punjab’s defence of sharia law reminded me of the famous Private Eye cover when his marriage to Jemima Goldsmith was announced. The Eye carried a picture of Khan speaking to Jemima’s father. “Can I have your daughter’s hand?” Imran was supposedly asking James Goldsmith. “Why? Has she been caught shoplifting?” Goldsmith replied. So much for sharia law.)

    The second contrasting event was one that took place in Los Angeles but which was perhaps celebrated more in India than in any other country in the world. Three Indians won Oscars: A.R. Rahman, Resul Pookutty and Gulzar.

    Their victory set off a frenzy of rejoicing. We were proud of our countrymen. We were pleased that India’s entertainment industry and its veterans had been recognised at an international platform. And all three men became even bigger heroes than they already were.

    But here’s the thing: Not one of them is a Hindu.

    Can you imagine such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you even conceive of a situation where the whole country would celebrate the victory of three members of two religious minorities? For that matter, can you even imagine a situation where people from religious minorities would have got to the top of their fields and were, therefore, in the running for international awards?

    On the one hand, you have Pakistan imposing sharia law, doing deals with the Taliban, teaching hatred in madrasas, declaring jihad on the world and trying to kill innocent Sri Lankan cricketers. On the other, you have the triumph of Indian secularism.

    The same people?

    Surely not.

    We are defined by our nationality. They choose to define themselves by their religion.

    But it gets even more complicated. As you probably know, Rahman was born Dilip Kumar. He converted to Islam when he was 21. His religious preferences made no difference to his prospects. Even now, his music cuts across all religious boundaries. He’s as much at home with Sufi music as he is with bhajans. Nor does he have any problem with saying ‘Vande Mataram’.

    Now, think of a similar situation in Pakistan. Can you conceive of a Pakistani composer who converted to Hinduism at the age of 21 and still went on to become a national hero? Under sharia law, they’d probably have to execute him.

    Resul Pookutty’s is an even more interesting case. Until you realise that Malayalis tend to put an ‘e’ where the rest of us would put an ‘a,’ (Ravi becomes Revi and sometimes the Gulf becomes the Gelf), you cannot work out that his name derives from Rasool, a fairly obviously Islamic name.

    But here’s the point: even when you point out to people that Pookutty is in fact a Muslim, they don’t really care. It makes no difference to them. He’s an authentic Indian hero, his religion is irrelevant.

    Can you imagine Pakistan being indifferent to a man’s religion? Can you believe that Pakistanis would not know that one of their Oscar winners came from a religious minority? And would any Pakistani have dared bridge the religious divide in the manner Resul did by referring to the primeval power of Om in his acceptance speech?

    The same people?

    Surely not.

    Most interesting of all is the case of Gulzar who many Indians believe is a Muslim. He is not. He is a Sikh. And his real name is Sampooran Singh Kalra.

    So why does he have a Muslim name?

    It’s a good story and he told it on my TV show some years ago. He was born in West Pakistan and came over the border during the bloody days of Partition. He had seen so much hatred and religious violence on both sides, he said, that he was determined never to lose himself to that kind of blind religious prejudice and fanaticism.

    Rather than blame Muslims for the violence inflicted on his community — after all, Hindus and Sikhs behaved with equal ferocity — he adopted a Muslim pen name to remind himself that his identity was beyond religion. He still writes in Urdu and considers it irrelevant whether a person is a Sikh, a Muslim or a Hindu.

    Let’s forget about political correctness and come clean: can you see such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you actually conceive of a famous Pakistani Muslim who adopts a Hindu or Sikh name out of choice to demonstrate the irrelevance of religion?

    My point, exactly.

    What all those misguided liberals who keep blathering on about us being the same people forget is that in the 60-odd years since Independence, our two nations have traversed very different paths.

    Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam. It still defines itself in terms of Islam. And over the next decade as it destroys itself, it will be because of Islamic extremism.

    India was founded on the basis that religion had no role in determining citizenship or nationhood. An Indian can belong to any religion in the world and face no discrimination in his rights as a citizen.

    It is nobody’s case that India is a perfect society or that Muslims face no discrimination. But only a fool would deny that in the last six decades, we have travelled a long way towards religious equality. In the early days of independent India, a Yusuf Khan had to call himself Dilip Kumar for fear of attracting religious prejudice.

    In today’s India, a Dilip Kumar can change his name to A.R. Rahman and nobody really gives a damn either way.

    So think back to the events of the last few weeks. To the murderous attack on innocent Sri Lankan cricketers by jihadi fanatics in a society that is being buried by Islamic extremism. And to the triumphs of Indian secularism.

    Same people?

    Don’t make me laugh.

  104. #104 by khansahab on March 7, 2009 - 9:35 PM

    Mr Sanghvi,

    You, like most Indians, do not really know what Pakistan is about. You also erroneously consider Pakistan to be a Taliban-governed state like most non-Muslims.

    These are the facts:

    1) Pakistan has a 1% Hindu population compared to India’s 13% Muslim population. Hence, it should come as no surprise that you see more mention of Muslims thriving in India than Hindus thriving in Pakistan.

    2) Except for a few villages on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan, there is no implementation of Sharia Law anywhere in the country. So stop this racist and stupid argument about cutting off hands or beheading etc.

    3) Danish Kaneria is a Hindu. His uncle, Anil Dalpat played for Pakistan and he was a Hindu. There is a Mrs Chawla in Pakistan government who belongs to PPP, Pakistan’s largest political party. There have been many famous Hindu actors and actresses in Pakistan who were Hindu (like the actress called SANGEETA) and THEY DID NOT HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR NAMES. The former acting Chief Justice, Bhagwandas is a Hindu. One of Pakistan’s top fashion designers is called “Deepak” who is a Hindu. Today I was watching an actor in a comedy show in Pakistan and his real name was “Sanjay”. So please stop this bullshit about barriers for progress of Hindus.

    4) Following India’s fascist response to 26/11, Pakistani Hindus rallied in almost all major cities and said they are ready to go to war with India if India decides to attack Pakistan. Indian Muslims have never shown such strong sentiments against Pakistan. At most they say Pakistan is a terrorist state but even they know the problems are political and more to do with Kashmir, military operation in Afghanistan and Pakistan etc, than religion.

  105. #105 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 12:55 AM

    Musharaff accuses India of fomenting trouble in Pak

    A combative audience at a conclave in New Delhi on Saturday cornered former President Pervez Musharraf over terrorism emanating from Pakistan but the aggressive leader accused Indian agencies of fomenting trouble in his country.

    He also asked India to “overcome the burden of history” and not indulge in blaming each other but move forward with the peace process started during his tenure at the helm of affairs in Pakistan.

    Musharraf also evaded a direct reply to a query on shielding underworld don Dawood Ibrahim in Pakistan as also the presence of terrorist camps in his country.

    Speaking at a Conclave, he claimed that India’s Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) were helping militants based in Afghanistan spread trouble in Pakistan.

    “We have to accept the reality. Your RAW does exactly what the ISI does. My request is let us tackle RAW and ISI to stop this confrontation,” he said.

    He also claimed that the Kashmir issue was not created by Pakistan. “It started in 1947 as a peaceful struggle. It was not started by Pakistan in 1989,” Musharraf said.

  106. #106 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 8, 2009 - 3:53 AM

    So think back to the events of the last few weeks. To the murderous attack on innocent Sri Lankan cricketers by jihadi fanatics in a society that is being buried by Islamic extremism. And to the triumphs of Indian secularism….. Vir Sanghvi

    Mr. Sanghvi forgot to mention the word PSEUDO. The last sentence should now read as: “And to the triumphs of Indian Pseudo Secularism.” And, yes some people do make me laugh too. 😀

  107. #107 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 8, 2009 - 5:13 AM

    India scored a record 392/4 in New Zealand, also equaled the highest (18) sixes in any ODI. Some real good entertaining cricket from Yuvraj, Tendulkar and Dhoni. Whenever I criticize Tendulkar for slow batting or poor show, he comes up with a hundred. I have said earlier that the criticism is not meant to ridicule him but, it is that expectation from him that he has to perform his best in every innings he play, that has been taken for granted and that is the cause of disappointment when he fails.

    The Tendulkar of the past used to shine brilliantly in every single match he used to play and that brilliance is now seen sporadically and, that is why any bad or a few bad performances, combined with his age (which is normal for everyone) makes people comment that he should retire gracefully. I really don’t know how long he can play like this at the age of 35. Jayasuriya is one example, he is still going strong at the age of 39 and he took a wise decision to retire from test cricket. Tendulkar should also do that. He should play only ODI’s. Unlike Jayasuriya he cannot find a place in the team in India’s 20/20.

    I don’t think NZ will match India’s total today, so it is more likely to be a one sided affair, unless they get a flying start from their openers. I have already predicted in advance, before the ODI series started that India will have an upper hand in ODI and test cricket. And, they will win both the ODI and test series.

    Today, without Daniel Vittori they were kinda subdued although they got Sehwag out early but, UV and Tendulkar dented their hopes after the 20th over. In 20 overs they were 100 and by 28th over they were 195, almost 95 runs in 8 overs. Then McGlashen missed a dolly stumping chance of Dhoni off the bowling of Jetan Patel. A few more catches were dropped, and Butler got injured and could not complete his quota of 10 overs. But there was no stopping to India’s assault and its a shame that they came so near to score 400 but, in the last 2 overs they scored only 5 runs.

    The NZ innings is about to start so I am going to watch it, if there is any interest in the game I will watch it through the night, but it is not likely to happen, very seldom one gets to witness a good response from the team batting second when they have to chase a total (392) of this magnitude.

  108. #108 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 10:30 AM

    Those times are gone when Tendulkar was the backbone of the Indian team. Now even if he doesn’t score a 50 or 100 in every 2nd match, either one of Raina, Dhoni, Gambhir or Yuvraj will.

    However, if he is playing like this, he cannot be dropped. New Zealand grounds are small but making 163 from 133 balls is no small feat. One might ask why he should retire too if he is still capable of making big hundreds at excellent strike rates.

    I think he will retire when he has 50 centuries in both Test and ODI cricket.

  109. #109 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 10:42 AM

    I don’t understand what is wrong with Amitabh Bachan? He has said today that he will not celebrate Holi because of the Mumbai terror attacks.

    Religious festivals are a time of unity, for people to come together and spread happiness and peace with others. 160 people died in the terror attacks in Mumbai, this is nothing compared to the carnage Pakistan experiences everyday since the American military campaign started post 9/11. However in Pakistan every religious festival is celebrated with fervour, no matter what happens.

    Bachan is patriotic, but there is a line between patriotism and jingoism. Whereas most of India’s film industry praised Slumdog Millionaire, it had to be Mr Bachan who criticised it severely in public. Bachan also has a love-hate relationship with Shahrukh Khan. In his son’s wedding Shahrukh was NOT invited, but Bal Thackeray was.

    Mr Bachan is one of the most prominent personalities of India and for him to invite a Hindu extremist who has preached the persecution of Muslims, is utterly out of order. This is what happens in this secular country which is the biggest democracy in the world?

  110. #110 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 11:07 AM

    I saw Slumdog Millionaire recently and I really don’t know why many Indians reacted so strongly against it.

    As a movie it is not good enough to win a single Oscar- it is like any “timepass” movie but definitely not Oscar-material, but that is not what the Indian criticism to the movie was about.

    This is what Indians said and this is my response:

    1) It projects India as a poor and underdeveloped country

    So what? India in pockets is poor and underdeveloped. Nowhere did the movie imply that India is the ONLY poor country in the world or that poverty does not happen anywhere else in the world. Also, one of the actors in the movie says when observing Mumbai’s business district, “India is now the centre of the world”. That is such a huge praise for India, then why are Indians overreacting?

    2) That the movie shows violence against Muslims and implies there is discrimination against them in India:

    The way I saw the movie, the fact that the hero was a Muslim guy was just coincidence. When they showed the poor kids, most of them were Hindu. When the hero was being taunted by everyone, he was being done so because of being a “chai-wala”, not because of his religion. His mother was killed by a Hindu fanatic mob, but I did not see any mention anywhere that this killing incident had political connotations. In fact just after that scene the hero says, “It is because of this Rama-Allah that I lost my mother”. That statement cannot be said in Pakistan or anywhere else in the Muslim world because Muslims can never truly use “Rama” and “Allah” as synonyms. The meaning is the same, but the fact that one entity is depicted in idols and the other is not, makes Muslims feel that there is a difference between “Bhagwan” and “Allah”, although in spirit the meaning is the same.

    3) The movie is anti-Indian and will make the world think less of India:

    Actually, the answer is to the contrary. Indians have won Oscars because of this movie. So this movie has put India on the map, so to speak. If anything, it will make India more famous and prominent in the world.

    So I don’t know what the criticism or protests was about. I did not enjoy this movie because it was a stupid love story, but I did not find anything anti Indian, anything political or anything like that coming from this movie.

  111. #111 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 2:14 PM


    Regarding Rana Naved, I was talking about T20 cricket where he is one of the best players in the world. That is because he has incredible variety and he is also a good slogger. He was the Man of the Series in the last ICL.

    That is why I emphasise 3 specialist teams for 3 different formats. If you look at Australia, South Africa, England and even India, check the differences between their Test squads and T20 squads.

    A player like Rana is useless in ODI’s and Tests because he has no pace and the batsmen are not under pressure to hit a boundary every ball. So they can negotiate with his variety and wait for the bad ball.

    About Malik, he was a very effective batsman when he was batting at no 3. I don’t think the criticism that he can only play on flat tracks is fair because I haven’t seen one Pakistani batsman who can bat brilliantly on green top pitches. If you look at all the great Pakistani batsmen, from Miandad to Saeed Anwar to Inzamam, you will see 3/4 of their centuries are in the Subcontinent. My problem with Malik was more that he wasn’t a good captain and by personality he is just not the right person to lead. Also, when it comes to merit, I agree that he is not good enough to have a place in the team instead of someone like Fawad Alam.

  112. #112 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 2:28 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I only watch matches when England or Pakistan is playing 🙂

  113. #113 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 8, 2009 - 2:32 PM

    No comments on Slumdog Millionaire, because I haven’t seen it yet.

    As regards Amitabh Bachan, I may have liked his role in one or two of his old movies – the angry young man with a deep voice – but, he patented that angry man’s look and after that it was quite boring to see that kinda role in every movie. Hence, it would be apt to say I never really liked him or his acting. At a later stage when he switched from serious roles to more lighter roles or to act like a comedian he was “disgustipatingly” pathetic. That jiski ki BV moti and Jiski BV lambi song and even that BV nay maara with Adnan Sami Khan, he lowered his self-esteem and lost his self-respect.

    And, as he grew old he started behaving like Manoj Kumar, very jingoistic and arrogant fanatic. And, at this age his face is blessed with a serious PHITKAAR.

  114. #114 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 3:26 PM

    I was discussing with someone the other day about the dearth of world class bowlers in the world now. Is cricket quickly becoming a batsman’s game? I think my analysis below proves this (although all of us knew this already).

    I’ve taken into account performances since the start of 2008. I am only considering Test cricket, because that is real cricket. There are a few players I am unsure about so I will type them in CAPS LOCK, and I will be grateful if bloggers can discuss whether they should be included?

    West Indies:
    WC (world class) batsmen: Chanderpaul, GAYLE (don’t consider him as a great Test player)
    Bowler: none

    Batsmen: Pieterson
    Bowler: None

    South Africa:
    Batsmen: Smith, Amla, Kallis, DE VILLIERS (has been very good since 2008)
    Bowlers: Steyn, Ntini

    Batsmen: Younis Khan
    Bowler: none (don’t think Gul is of that standard yet, plus lack of Test cricket makes it difficult to assess him)

    Batsmen: Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhoni, TENDULKAR (Declining consistency, but arguably still good enough?)
    Bowlers: Zaheer Khan, ISHANT SHARMA (is the youngster good enough?)

    Sri Lanka:
    Batsmen: Jayawerdene, Sangakkara, SAMARAWEERA (like Devilliers, has been very good since 2008)
    Bowlers: Murali, MENDIS (Mendis was played comfortably by India and Pakistan recently, people are saying they have un-coded Mendis)

    Batsmen: Ponting, Hussey, Clarke
    Bowlers: Johnson

    New Zealand:
    Batsmen: none
    Bowlers: none

  115. #115 by Abdul on March 8, 2009 - 4:03 PM

    Agreed with analysis that cricket is becoming a batsmen’s friendly game. The quality now is of poor standard when contrasting with 10 years ago when the likes of Wasim , Waqar Mushtaq’s , Warne,Mcgrath and co were on the block. The evidence to support this decline can be Pakistan’s score in the first test match when they scored 700+ and the dull draw in the last test in Caribbean in which batsmen’s dominated proceedings or even today’s ODI encounter In Newzeland can be considered a prime example as both teams scored 300+.

    U can almost certainly blame the wickets as pancake turfs for one but as we have established previously in order to be classified as a “matchwinner” u should be able to perform under any circumstances and conditions ie Wasim Akram.

    Yeah I also feel that Mendis has been worked out and teams can just easily negotiate his deliveries as a medium pacer. If England needed a quality bowler Adil Rashid could come into the making as his first class records have demonstrated the impact he can have in the international arena. However, there are speculations that this is exaggerated due to the rarity of a leg spinner’s presence in the English game. But I still never the less rate him highly and fondly and certainly much better than Danish Kaneria.

    Anyway what is your opinion on this rookie Amjad Khan ? He seems an interesting and unorthodox prospect from Pakistani and Danish ancestry but how many no-balls is that he’s bowled now!!!!!!

    Meanwhile Khansahab isn’t it pleasing that so many Asian background players are featuring in the English line up. I now support England whenever they are featuring behind Pakistan. Well I guess I always have done but more so now.

    Finally I’m off to read salah and study for my English exam tomorrow.

    King regards -Spin King

  116. #116 by Abdul on March 8, 2009 - 4:19 PM

    Khansahab : Regarding Rana Naved, I was talking about T20 cricket where he is one of the best players in the world. That is because he has incredible variety and he is also a good slogger. He was the Man of the Series in the last ICL.

    That is why I emphasise 3 specialist teams for 3 different formats. If you look at Australia, South Africa, England and even India, check the differences between their Test squads and T20 squads.

    I am agreeing with u 100% at what u are saying here. His fielding was also very good and he was always looking an active and involved player. I feel his decline in the international arena came as a result of over bowling workloads in the first class and county structure. He is still a skilful bowler and has transformed into a healthy all-rounder. In my books a MUST with Imran Nazir for T20 world cup otherwise glory is out of the question.

  117. #117 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 5:20 PM

    Tours could resume shortly, says PCB chairman

    London, March 08: Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ejaz Butt said on Sunday his country could host an international team in the next six to nine months and will still co-host the 2011 World Cup.

    Butt was speaking by telephone about the militant attack on the Sri Lanka team bus in Lahore on Tuesday in which seven people were killed and six members of the Sri Lankan team injured.

    “I would expect teams will tour here again as soon as possible. I would give it six to nine months to get things organised,” he said.

    “I would want us to get security to a level that would be a guarantee from my government that no such incident like this could happen again, or I will not invite anybody.”

    “Once I have this assurance I may then invite people to come here. But this can happen anywhere. I cannot give that guarantee, but my government can. If they cannot then we will not have cricket in Pakistan at all. I definitely think that we will stage part of the World Cup in 2011.”

    Butt said he disagreed with match referee Chris Broad who said there had not been enough security to protect players and officials. Former England batsman Broad was travelling in the officials` bus behind the Sri Lanka team.

    “I totally disagree with Chris Broad, he is overdoing it. And it is wrong if they (the International Cricket Council) are siding with one man`s opinion. I have told them that this opinion is totally wrong,” Butt said.

  118. #118 by Pawan on March 8, 2009 - 6:23 PM


    Following folks I would bank on to provide world-class performance in 2009/10 based on my own perception, in T20 and/or Test and/or ODI.

    West Indies:
    batsmen: Chanderpaul, Sarwan, Gayle
    Bowler: Cannot say.

    Batsmen: Pieterson, Strauss
    Bowler: Flintoff (if fit), Broad (as an all-rounder)

    South Africa:
    Batsmen: Smith, Amla, De Villers, Duminy
    Bowlers: Steyn, M.Morkel, A.Morkel (all-rounder)

    Batsmen: Younis Khan, Malik
    Bowler: Cannot say.

    Batsmen: Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhoni, Tendulkar, Yuvraj
    Bowlers: Zaheer Khan, Ishant Sharma, H.Singh

    Sri Lanka:
    Batsmen: Jayawerdene, Sangakkara,
    Bowlers: Murali, Mendis

    Batsmen: Ponting, Hussey, Clarke
    Bowlers: Johnson (all-rounder as well)

    New Zealand:
    Batsmen: Mcculum
    Bowlers: Vettori

  119. #119 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 6:36 PM


    You’ve hit the nail on the head and maybe I should have mentioned Duminy for South Africa.

    But tell me where have you been? There was a time when most of the comments were from you and now we see you once in a blue moon?

  120. #120 by 420 on March 8, 2009 - 6:50 PM

    pathetic bowling by NZ, pathetic bowling-fielding by India. Its only sheer luck that we won the match. complacency was reflected on the indian attitude.

    why do they make pitches like that? they could rather have bowling machines and save tbe bowlers some embarassment. I did not feel an iota of excitement with this win.

  121. #121 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 8:03 PM


    Well I am say, “The older, the wiser” 😉

    Yours sincerely


  122. #122 by khansahab on March 8, 2009 - 11:57 PM

    Musharraf ready for ‘useful’ role if asked

    By Jawed Naqvi

    Sunday, 08 Mar, 2009

    NEW DELHI: Former president General Pervez Musharraf has said he would consider returning to politics again provided he was invited to play a useful role for the country, Press Trust of India said on Saturday, quoting from an interview he gave to an Indian TV channel.

    ‘If someone offers, I will see whether I can play a role and then I will take the offer. I won’t like to be a useless President,’ Gen Musharraf told Aaj Tak TV channel, a sister unit of the India Today group that has invited him on a private visit to India.

    The former army chief was responding to a question if he wants a second chance to rule the country.

    Gen Musharraf said he was not missing anything even after being out of power. ‘I am relaxing with family, playing golf, meeting friends and reading and writing,’ he said.

    The former president claimed that hundreds of thousands of Hindus in Pakistan are his ‘great supporters’.

    He blamed India for ignoring the ‘real issue’ of resolution of Kashmir issue while talking about terror attacks and terrorist camps in his country.

    Accepting that Pakistan is facing many problems in the post-Musharraf period, he said, ‘At that time, circumstances were such that I had to go. Now, economic issues, political turmoil and terrorism are the problems faced by Pakistan.’

    India, Pakistan need peace

    Pervez Musharraf called Saturday for peaceful relations between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan to allow them to fight terrorism more effectively, AFP adds.
    ‘We must realise we are the victims of terrorism and extremism and we must go for solutions together,’ Musharraf, who stepped down from political office last year, told a conference in New Delhi.

    ‘Terrorism has to be defeated… in the world, in Pakistan and in India,’ he said.

    He said he believed ‘the dream of peace’ is possible between the neighbours which have fought three wars against each other, two over the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir.

    But Musharraf said the two sides needed to build trust and that the issue of Kashmir needed to be resolved swiftly. ‘Kashmir remains the key dispute and the sore point,’ he said.

    Musharraf said both sides needed to be bold to confront the main challenges — ‘the curse of terrorism and extremism,’ poverty, underdevelopment and hostility between the two countries.

    Both must avoid ‘whipping up war hysteria and creating hatred in the public because of any terrorist attack that may have taken place,’ he said.

  123. #123 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 9, 2009 - 11:55 AM

    Tours could resume shortly? Ejaaaz BUTTuuuu…..

    Once again he spoke from the wrong end. But, that’s his problem he thinks that is the right way to speak your Butt off! His Butt is so full of his mind and he speaks from there.

  124. #124 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 9, 2009 - 12:14 PM

    Musharraf’s announcement to return to politics has hurt a lot of people from the Punjab. Yesterday I was at a social brunch party in our community and almost every single Punjabi person present there criticized Musharraf by saying, “at this sutage whan there are prablems in Pakastan, waat is “a” need far him to say sach things?”

    Is it today that Mian Saab of La’hore is going for a big march?

  125. #125 by khansahab on March 9, 2009 - 12:48 PM

    Actually at this crucial time in the country where it is on the brink of bankruptcy and social disintegration, the only person who is terrorising the nation, who is a threat to national security, who is making un-patriotic statements, is Nawaz Sharif.

    The media is so pro Nawaz and pro lawyers that a journalist accused a PPP member that when Benazir died, the protests in the country and violence was more bloody and intense. So why is the PPP complaining about PML N’s terrorism?

    There is a distinction. I think most human beings are soft hearted insofar that even if their enemy dies, they feel a sense of loss and sympathy, maybe only for a second. Someone dying and someone being disqualified because of a criminal record are 2 very different things.

    I can’t believe the media and public is so biased that they think the disqualification of Nawaz and Shahbaz because of their criminal past, is the same as death of the former leader of Pakistan’s biggest political party?

    I am also glad that MQM has totally opposed Nawaz Sharif on this issue. The reason I am glad is because if MQM had looked to appease PML N by speaking against the PPP, they would have appeared as opportunists. Also, this has been an opportunity for MQM to say salient things like what about when Nawaz Sharif imposed Governor’s rule in Sindh?

    MQM and ANP, two provincial parties, are in the central government. PPP will now form a government with PML Q. Now the only major party, which is also a provincial party, is PML N but they are isolated. And they only have themselves to blame. They are the ones who are the most stubborn, biased, immature and opportunistic.

  126. #126 by khansahab on March 9, 2009 - 12:54 PM

    Can’t wish away foreign militants in Pakistan: Musharraf

    Admitting to the presence of foreign militants in Pakistan’s restive northwest, former president Pervez Musharraf said the issue should be addressed head-on as it could not be wished away.

    “There are foreigners sitting here in our territory. Call them Al-Qaeda, militants or by whatever name, but there are there,” Musharraf said at a press conference in Karachi on his return from attending an international conclave in New Delhi.

    “We have to remove them from our territory. The government has to take action against them. It is for Pakistan to take action and not for foreign agencies to do so,” the former president added.

  127. #127 by khansahab on March 9, 2009 - 1:01 PM

    Pakistan not alone, India also unsafe to tour: Crowe

    Press Trust Of India
    Christrchurch, March 09, 2009

    Former New Zealand cricketer Martin Crowe on Monday said India has joined Pakistan as an unsafe country to tour due to terror strikes on its major cities like Mumbai and Delhi last year.

    “The time has come for the cricketing world to accept that touring Pakistan is an absolute no go zone ever again. While sad for their talented top cricketers, Pakistan is completely unsafe and contemplation of playing there again has got to stop. But they are not alone.

    “In May last year, just 24 hours before I flew with the IPL Royal Challengers to Jaipur for a nothing Twenty20 match, eight bombs went off three-minutes apart killing over 100 civilians and tourists as it ripped through the crowded Pink Palace,” Crowe wrote in a local daily.

    “We were forced to play the match a day later in front of an empty stadium and 3000 soldiers. It was a joke to be told to play and an affront to the families of those killed,” he said.

    “That’s why you can’t just isolate Pakistan. Lives have been taken on a regular basis from terror attacks in India over the last year in major cities like Mumbai in November the worst Bangalore in July and Delhi in September. These were significant and show it’s happening almost monthly,” Crowe said.

  128. #128 by Theossa on March 9, 2009 - 1:02 PM


    I’m witness of a phone call in the DIG office in which Shehbaz Sharif asked him to release a murder suspect on remand which the DIG ended up releasing. Now only in Pakistan crooked like these can twist the law at will. According to my friends from Lahore these Sharif brothers are basically thugs who are involved in mass occupation of public property and are locally known as kingpins of all Qubza Groups. But this is not just limited to them, the current system in Pakistan only allows crooks to survive and thrive.

  129. #129 by khansahab on March 9, 2009 - 1:03 PM

    New Zealanders are more balanced in their views. I think Vettori said after the Lahore attacks that he feels sorry for Pakistan and it should not be isolated. And now Crowe is saying that India is the same as Pakistan as far as the threat of terror is concerned.

    Why are the Australians so anti then? It must be because they don’t want IPL to be affected because their players earn so much money.

  130. #130 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 9, 2009 - 1:17 PM

    LOL……… Zardari Calls Sherry Rehman a ”Witch” !!!

    Zardari is alienating both allies and foes. Even his personal style has turned off supporters of his wife, some of whom serve in his PPP Government but are now reluctant to deal with him directly.

    At meetings in recent months, according to several witnesses, he lashed out at senior ministers, calling Sherry Rehman a “witch” Urdu and Punjabi word: “Jadoogarni”

    Also, called Mian Raza Rabbani as “impotent” Urdu and Punjabi word: “khasi” mind you this guy is a PPP Senator and Provincial Disintegration Minister. Reportedly, rather more frequently Zardari tells his party workers at Ministers and senators level to shut up, when he is displeased with their efforts.

  131. #131 by khansahab on March 9, 2009 - 2:05 PM

    Zardari warns Nawaz Sharrif of dire consequences

    Ahead of the impending protest rally, Pak president Asif Ali Zardari today warned opposition leader and PML chief Nawaz Sharif to mend his ways and call off his rebellion. He said this rebellion amounts to sedition and rebels can be jailed for life. Pak’s interior minister Rehman Malik said this rebellion is creating an east Pakistan-like situation.

  132. #132 by khansahab on March 9, 2009 - 6:55 PM

    I will not resign, says defiant Butt

    Karachi: PCB Chairman Ejaz Butt has rejected calls for his resignation in the aftermath of the Lahore terror attacks on the Sri Lankan team, saying he would do all he can to steer Pakistan cricket out of the current crisis.

    “Pakistan cricket is today facing a huge challenge and crises. But I will stay on and try to improve things and put Pakistan cricket back on track,” Butt told a radio station here.

    Butt was brought in as Chairman last October by President Asif Zardari, who is also chief patron of the Pakistan Cricket Board.

    The International Cricket Council, its match officials and some Sri Lankan players have raised questions over the security arrangements for the visiting team when the attack took place at Liberty Chowk near Gaddafi stadium in Lahore.

    Butt made it clear he would not invite any team to tour Pakistan until the board got firm assurances from the government about the security for the visiting team.

    This statement has created ripples in the cricket circles with a former Pakistan player saying that Butt’s statement amounts to an admission that the security for the Sri Lankan team was not of presidential level as promised to them by the PCB.

    “What does he mean by getting government assurances now? Does this mean the board didn’t get government assurances for the Sri Lankan teams tour,” he added.

  133. #133 by M. Y.. Kasim on March 9, 2009 - 9:34 PM

    Nowadays, all the pitches are being prepared flat. Look at both Tests (the second being inconclusive, ofcourse) between Pakistan and Sri Lanka, England and the West Indies, Australia and South Africa and the centuries, double and triple centuries scored makes brilliant feats achieved by great batsmen under tremendous pressure and difficult conditions irrelevent.

    Mediocre batsman are scoring century after century after century when to score a century was cosidered a hallmark of batsmanship.

    And at this rate, I doubt if any bowler will ever capture 100 wickets!!

    This trend is going on for the last few years now. Tell me, some of the batsmen who have scored more runs or centuries than, say, Hanif Mohammad, Asif Iqbal, Javed Miandad, Inzi or Gundappa Visvanath, Mohinder Amarnath, or for that matter, David Gower, Gordon Greenidge or Martin Crowe?

    These flat track bullies facing medium-fast stuff are no comparison to above-named greats. Still their names will be prominently displayed ahead of them because the quantity, not the quality.

    Any comments?

  134. #134 by khansahab on March 9, 2009 - 10:05 PM

    Houston-Karachi declared sister cities

    KARACHI: Nazim Karachi Syed Mustafa Kamal and Mayor of Houston Bill White signed an agreement declaring Karachi and Houston sister cities.

    The agreement signing ceremony was held at the City Council Hall of Houston, making Karachi the 17th world city to be entered into sister cities relationship with Houston.

    Speaking on the occasion Mustafa Kamal said Karachi is the face of Pakistan and the biggest city of the Muslim world.

    ‘Today we, as well as the entire Muslim Ummah, are victims of our own bad perception. Our marketing world over by the Muslim community as well as from Pakistan has been very poor’.

    ‘After having established a relationship with Houston the world will get a chance to evaluate us as Pakistani’s and as Muslims’, he said adding that for him it is not just a binding relation between two cities but he looks at it beyond that. There is a deep rooted vision behind it.

    ‘It is very important for us to we become the front line city of Muslims of this part of the world to show who we are and what we do.’

    Mustafa Kamal pointed out that although this is not the prime job of any district government to market Karachi and Pakistan, as the Government of Pakistan has foreign offices all over the world but instead of waiting we have come to this part of the world for showing Karachi as well as showing the good deeds of the Pakistani and Karachi administration.

    He thanked the Mayor of Houston City Bill White, his whole team, the people of Houston and especially cited the name of M.J Khan, the President of Houston Karachi Sister Cities Association for being a very vital player in the whole process.

    ‘On behalf of 18 million people of Karachi, the people and all districts of Pakistan, I thank you all for giving me this opportunity’, Mustafa Kamal said and described the occasion indeed as a great historical moment which would not have been possible if the mayor of Houston and all his team had not taken initiatives in this regard.

    Earlier, Mayor Bill White of Houston termed the Houston Karachi sister cities agreement as an important occasion for both cities and citizens of the two cities and said that he had been in Karachi as a senior government official and he had seen many parts of the city.

    Both have skilled and hard working people and both are port cities. He expressed hope that this relationship would prove successful.

    The program was attended by Consul General of Pakistan Aaqil Nadeem, Chairman of Sister Cities Board Mike Hier, Chairman of Houston City Council of International Relations M.J Khan, members of Houston City Council and a large number of prominent citizens.

    Both Mustafa Kamal and Bill White exchanged souvenirs after signing the agreement.

    Nazim Karachi also presented the traditional Ajrak and Sindhi Cap to Mayor Bill White.

  135. #135 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 9, 2009 - 11:04 PM

    Kasim Sahab; I fully endorse your views because I have been saying the same after seeing the huge totals posted by England and the mediocre West Indies team. Also, look at the flat pitch at Christchurch New Zealand where 392 and 334 runs were scored in the last match between India and NZ. I heard one of the local commentators was gloating that the curators of this pitch must be applauded for their workmanship to prepare such an entertaining wicket. Perhaps they are in a different dimension and or, they don’t care about test matches and bowlers.

    The general public also appreciates sixes and fours, the last match in NZ produced some 29 sixes on that small ground, some were genuine but most were just on the ropes and on a ground like MCG they were simple catches.

    I remember Jayasuriya scoring the fastest ODI against Pakistan in Singapore where the ground was smaller than my high school cricket ground. And, Jayasuriya is a very good flicker of the ball. Sehwag’s cuts over the point were sixes in NZ but in Australia they got him at deep point. I don’t understand why they don’t have a uniformity and standard for a boundary line in cricket? At some places it is only 60 yards and in some it is 60 meters, 70 – 85 and even 90 meters. I am not talking about long-on or long-off boundaries but the cover, point, mid-wicket and square leg boundaries. I think I wrote enough comments at your request.

    But, no one commented on my request about the third umpire’s decision in giving Ross Taylor run out.

  136. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 9, 2009 - 11:09 PM

    So what will they achieve? I mean after declaring Houston and Karachi as sister cities? Are they going to find a good brother to get married? Too bad my black sense of humour won’t be understood leave aside appreciating it. The thing is in today’s culture there is a lot of brother & sister culture. The young dudes call themselves as brothers and sister for girls. At social gatherings one of the girls peeping out at the men section, when asked what are you doing? The response was, I am looking for a good brother to get married ! 😀

  137. #137 by Dimple Rosy Cheeks on March 9, 2009 - 11:27 PM

    That is so wrong when non married people call each other that and then marry from ‘that kind’. 🙄

  138. #138 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 1:22 AM


    It might be gay but the point is that despite all the turmoil in Pakistan it is a matter of honour for Pakistanis that one of their cities is being compared with an American city.

    Just like how it was a matter of honour when the city Nazim was declared 2nd best Mayor by an international magazine.

  139. #139 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 1:32 AM

    I am losing respect for Imran Khan. Today he said that if the government says one more thing against the march of the lawyers or Nawaz Sharif’s movement, his supporters will “come to the streets”.

    Shame on you Imran Khan to support this party which you opposed strongly once. Imran is either very clever and playing a dangerous game or he is very stupid and believes the Sharif brothers to be principled and honest.

  140. #140 by Dimple Rosy Cheeks on March 10, 2009 - 1:32 AM

    I have heard some people liken Faisalabad to Manchester.

    I wonder upon what basis these comparisons are made.

  141. #141 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 1:35 AM


    The comparisons are made in the sense of, how the roads should be planned, how local services should be planned, how taxes collected, services administered etc- these kinds of administrative issues.

    Of course in Pakistan nothing happens rightly, but it is PLANNED correctly and the plans are tailored to “sister cities”.

  142. #142 by Dimple Rosy Cheeks on March 10, 2009 - 1:37 AM


    I have always had this gut feeling that Imran Khan is not as simple and ‘nice’ as he makes himself out to be.

    Furthermore, I lost respect for him last Summer even more when our family realised how his hospital is another money making venture. Vulnerable people are seduced into buying medicine which with neither help them nor will it be good for them. Migh as well take a placebo. Sickening and totally disgusted with this man and the people who work for the cancer hospital.

  143. #143 by Varun Suri on March 10, 2009 - 4:55 AM


    I could not see the NZ innings so i cannot tell whether that was a run-out or not.
    Never mind, Cricket is a game where sooner or later hisab-kitab barabar ho hi jaata hai just to give you an example in the previous One-Day series which India played Sachin played only the first 3 ODI’s and in all the 3 Matches luck was not on his side as all the 3 decisons were doubtful and just when the his Critics were trying to write him of he came up with something yet again to silence them for few more days/weeks!

    Even though i was always a bigger fan of Ganguly than Sachin but i will never accept as some people say that Sachin is not a Team Player the best example of that was in this last ODI where at the rate he was playing he could have atleast tried to go for 200 or atleast 195 to break Anwar’s record but he chose to retire and Raina came and hit 5 Sixes in the next few balls.
    He was already in pain when he was in his 70’s so if he could continue till 160’s it was only a matter of time when either he would have got out going for the record or who knows maybe he could have achieved it.


    In all my humility and politeness i would like to take you back to couple of things you said recently on your blog.

    1.You said to me once recently that Un-like me you do not believe in each and every piece of News which you come across either on the TV or the Print Media when I have already said so many times that in issues regarding Ind-Pak my only two sources which I consider reliable are the DAWN and The HINDU and soon after making this statement you had quoted an article where some Tamil Rebels in Srilanka said that India is involved in 3/3. Now how ridiculous is that when the Pakistani authorities are ruling out any Indian hand how can you quote a rebel Tamil source saying that Indians were involved? What is the authenticity of their claim when people sitting in Pakistan still do not know who the Mastermind was and someone sitting in the jungles of Jaffna can make this preposterous claim.

    2.While criticizing Vir Sanghvi for what he wrote you gave figures of Muslims in India and Hindus in Pakistan. I would like to bring to your attention that the Muslim Population in India just after Partition was less that 10% in 1947 and now it is more than 13% so in the past 60 Years the population has almost doubled at least percentage wise where as in Pakistan the Sikh + Hindu population in 1947 was more than what it is now and gradually over the years it has reduced because of either more and more people choosing to cross the Border and immigrating to India or either converting to Islam. I may not have figures to prove this but if you dig deeper you will realize what I am saying is not a lie. This proves that while some Muslims in India might be really below the poverty line (well poor has no religion actually but in some areas like Bihar, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh there are more Hindus below the poverty line) but generally they have done well enough to almost double their population in 60 Years. Is the situation similar in Pakistan for other minorities? I think in the past 60 Years only Prez. Musharraf did something for the minorities in Pakistan because he himself is a Mohajir.

    3. Critique of Slum-dog Millionaire :- While many of the upper class rich people in India did not like the movie for obvious reasons, as far as I am concerned I did not like it because first of all it’s not that special a movie as it is made out to be, I mean there have been Bollywood movies which are far better than this with much better music by AR Rahman and certainly no Indian who genuinely liked this movie would have thought that it is worth 8 Oscars. As far a AR Rahman I concerned I would rate his earlier work much better than this one infact the movie has only 2 songs one of which is quite irritating to my ears. I do now know who the jury was for these Oscars but it reminds us of one thing that no matter how many movies you make unless until you show the Real India, the Poor India to the West they refuse to acknowledge us.
    In the movie there is a riot-scene where they show a Child dressed and painted up as Lord Ram guiding the rioters against the Muslims and there was no protest no objection on this scene anywhere in India. Can the reverse of this be ever shown in a Pakistani movie?

    Kasim ji,

    Now that some facts are coming out of 3/3 are you still convinced that India is involved in 3/3?

    Since thesedays I am trying to understand the poetry of Mirza Ghalib i would like to share some of his Gems which will somewhat define my state of mind thesedays…

    1. Hum ne maana ke taghaful na karoge lekin
    Khaak ho jayenge hum tumko khabar hone tak

    2. Fikr-e-duniya mein sar khapata hoon
    Main kahan aur yeh bawaal kahan

    3.Nukta-cheen hai gham-e-dil usko sunaye na bane
    kya bane baat jahan baat banaye na bane

    4. Ta kare na ghammaazi kar liya hai dushman ko
    Dost ki shikayat mein humne humzaban apna

    The first 3 are pretty much clear but I would request Javed Khan to elaborate a bit more on the last one whenever he has free time!

  144. #144 by Mohammed Munir on March 10, 2009 - 6:04 AM

    Ahmed Faraz …

    Shikwa-e-Zulmat-e-Shub Sey Tu Kaheen Baihter Thaa

    Apney Hissay Ki Koi Shamma Jalatey Jaatay

    Shikwa = Complain, Criticize, Grumble.

    Zulmat = Darkness, Gloom.

    Shub = Night.

    Baihter = Better, Healthier.

    Hissey = Share, Part.

    Shaama = Candle, Light,

    Meaning …

    What Faraz says is that rather then complaining about the darkness of the night, it is much better to try to lit whatever small bit of light one can. (Because only ‘talking’ about the darkness and how bad that is will not improve anything, while a minute ‘deed’ of a lighting even a small candle will help create light in the darkest night).

    The real problem with Pakistan is that we Pakistanis (all of us) seem to “know-it-all” and we “TALK” too much, but non of us is ready to “DO” anything about it, plus we don’t like whatever little others are doing.

  145. #145 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 10:56 AM


    Please explain the following points for me:

    1) When PPP was in power in the early 1990’s Imran Khan was greatly against them. He was very critical of the corruption of the PPP leadership. Then why did he join hands with them to ouster Musharraf? He would be a PPP ally now if the judiciary was restored.

    2) The same goes for PML N. Imran openly criticised them, although not as much as PPP because he has a Punjabi streak in his brain- ideologically he is closer to Nawaz Sharif than any other mainstream politician in Pakistan. But still, why has he become a PML N ally now after his opposition to their corrupt ways throughout the 1990’s? You call this “principled”?

    3) What makes you think the judiciary led by Ch Ifthikar is independent? Do you even know why the Lahore Bar Association started a motion to dismiss Musharraf’s Presidency which is why he had to sack Choudhary Ifthikar and like minded judges? It was all back stabbing and a conspiracy by PML N. Even before the Kargil war Musharraf and Nawaz have been enemies, and have been trying to undermine and back stab each other.

    4) Are you not aware Ch Ifthikar was appointed under a PCO? Musharraf was his appointor. Then what makes him different to the judges who now hold office? The only difference is that the current judges are not Nawaz Sharif supporters. Did you not read when I mentioned that PPP admitted Nawaz Sharif used to shop from the credit cards of the judges he appointed when he was PM? Did you not read when Shahbaz Sharif admitted Ch Ifthikar was appointed under a PCO? Did you not read when PPP said recently that Ifthikar is not an independent judge and is working in cahoots with Nawaz Sharif?

    If you think the restoration of the judiciary will make Pakistan better in any way, you are greatly mistaken. Choudhary hates Musharraf, has cases pending that will disqualify Zardari from being a part of government, yet he has nothing against Nawaz Sharif. There is only a minor difference between the corruption and criminal history of Nawaz and Zardari. Yet you have to wonder why one person considers Choudhary a friend, and the other, a foe.

    When there was a crisis in the country after Ch Ifthikar was dismissed, Aitzaz Ahsan gave an address in the Lahore Bar Association headquarters. When he started all these senior lawyers whom you consider to be heroes, started shouting in Punjabi and told Aitzaz to stop speaking Urdu and speak Punjabi. You should have seen the body language of these lawyers and judges, they were like thugs and their faces were brimming with hate. It was a historic and constitutional event being televised across the world, and this was happening. They made it into a Punjabi vs non Punjabi/Muhajir issue, which was racist, hateful and completely unnecessary.

    You have to notice these things yourself, Omer, and use your intelligence and wisdom to gauge what is happening and why things happen in a country like Pakistan, because the media won’t tell you these things.

  146. #146 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 12:15 PM


    Before I start justifying my views I just want you and other Indians to know that when I paste an article that is anti Indian in any way, it is not to needle any individual, it is simply to show that firstly, there is not a “good guy” and a “bad guy” in this matter and secondly, a lot of what happens inside Pakistan happens because of India. You will obviously say here that what happens in Kashmir and other terrorist incidents happened because of Pakistan- you can say that and I don’t have a problem with it.

    Regarding the reporting by the media, if you read Dawn you will also have looked at the statements of the Shipping Minister, the Interior Minister and other politicians who said this was an Indian-backed or planned attack. So Pakistanis have not been unanimous in declaring this was home-grown terrorism. Even if this is home-grown terrorism, it doesn’t take a genius to realise that a powerful agency or organisation plans these attacks. These, like the Mumbai attacks, were not suicide attacks; these were trained people who knew exactly how to approach the bus, how to take cover, they knew the city and escape routes very well and they even managed to dodge the police.

    India, like the rest of the world, will have to make its mind about whether these attacks are fuelled by relgion, politics or both. Because, whereas the attacks inside Pakistan can be fuelled by religion, they cannot be fuelled by politics simply because the magnitute of the destruction has been massive. Until 2006 or 2007 I thought Pakistanis themselves were doing this to protest against Musharraf, but increasingly Pakistanis themselves are now thinking they are not being planned by Pakistan. What is happening in Pakistan now is planned, sophisticated genocide which no Pakistani will want, for obvious reasons.

    If the attacks are fuelled by religion, then the methods of Mumbai attackers and Lahore attacks were not those that are used by religious fanatics- they don’t work like trained guerillas. Plus, a religious fanatic will kill himself as soon as he is about to be caught, because the purpose of the whole exercise is for him to reach Heaven asap and screw 70 beautiful virgin women. The thought is tempting, but not at the expense of hurting anyone and especially, innocents.

    A religious fanatic will not wait to be caught like Mr Kasab, and then conveniently say people from ISI asked him to do all this. Look at how the sequence happened, and tell me, did you not think the media was fishy in reporting all this? Kasab gets caught, India blames Pakistan, Pakistan rubbishes it. Then, after a few days Kasab admits he is a Pakistani from Faridkot. India blames Pakistan, Pakistan says it is still not convinced that ISI was involved but makes preliminary enquiries. Then, after yet a few more days, Mr Kasab provides the names of majors on ISI payroll and says, these people along with some Mullahs, asked me to do this and said I will go to Heaven. And then the whole “exchange of evidence” process commences.

    Why couldn’t Kasab say everything at one time? Why did he have to “reveal” things in a step by step procedure, which tied in with Pakistan saying India has no credible evidence? Isn’t it funny that Pakistan says India has no credible evidence, and after 2 days Mr Kasab, the horse, says something from the horses mouth to rubbish everything Pakistan has been saying? Every allegation Pakistan was making for the first 2 weeks was being negated by Kasab’s eventual “procedural revelations”.

    Varun, when things happen in USA, UK, India or Spain and people sitting in a cave in Afghanistan can make claims, I don’t see why someone in Sri Lanka cannot make a claim about things that happen in Pakistan?

    When a population “doubles” its numbers, it is not a sign of prosperity, but backwardness. The reason why Pakistanis and Indian Muslims have suffered from population explosion is that Muslims are not great are family planning and birth control. The population of Pakistanis in the UK is exploding too, but it is nothing to do with their social or economic progress. Hindus are very good at birth control and family planning which is why their numbers have not grown at such a rate. 25 years ago when my father was in the UK there was a huge number of Pakistanis migrating to Birmingham, but their population was nothing compared to Indians in Birmingham. Now, there are more Pakistanis than Indians in that city. Most of that is due to the fact that in every Pakistani household you seen a minimum of 4 kids.

    True, there is a lot of conversion of Hindus and Christians to Islam, but what you are discounting is that many Muslims are also converting to Hinduism and Christianity in Pakistan. There is a Christian channel on satellite here in the UK, I forget its name but it is a channel for “Pakistani Christians” and everyday they show small towns in Pakistan and how they convert people. For a country with a 97% Muslim majority, it would be very easy for them to pass laws saying religious conversion is illegal, but they have let people free to decide for themselves. You can compare this with India where some wings of BJP and some other smaller parties have constantly campaigned for the abolition of religious conversions.

    The problem of minorities in Pakistan and India is NOT the same Varun, and here I feel you are talking like Vir Saghvi. India has a population of 20% non Hindus which is massive compared to Pakistan’s 3% non Muslims. This is not to say that minorities are definitely living in fear or harassment in Pakistan, you just have to see the reaction of Hindus following 26/11 against India to see how passionate their sentiments are and how loyal they are to Pakistan. Mohammad Yousuf, formerly Yousuf Youhana, has made this very clear on numerous TV shows that he suffered no discrimination in Pakistan and in fact he rose to fame as a Christian. Many people thought after his conversion, he would become captain of the team. He was the best batsman in the world in 2006, yet he was not made the captain despite being a Muslim.

    Musharraf only ruled the county for 8 years and just to assess that period is unfair towards Pakistan. The party which has done most for religious minorities in Pakistan is the Pakistan People’s Party. Benazir’s lawyer for a large part was some Hindu guy, I saw his interview after her death. The PPP always had pro Hindu and Christian committees in Parliament and as I said earlier, a prominent PPP politician, Mrs Chawla (her first name escapes me at the moment), is a Hindu. In fact Pakistan’s biggest party, the PPP has always been under attack from religious extremists for its tolerant attitude towards minorities and friendly attitude towards India and USA.

    When I saw the movie Slumdog, I thought that “child dressed” as Rama was a statue? I am sorry if I did not look at the scene properly, maybe I am wrong. However, what I saw was a small figure (which looked too small to be a person) which had something in his left hand, but the thing he had in his right hand was not shown. I later understood it was a bow & arrow, because that question was asked to the boy in the show. They could not have depicted either Allah or Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), how could they have shown an image of Islam that could be compared with a depiction of an idol? Maybe it was the impossibility of doing so, however, whether it was a child or a statue, I don’t think it matters so much. I regularly visit Indian sites and I did not see anyone mentioning this particular incident anywhere.

    Varun, again, for you to say that, “can they show this incident in Pakistan” you are assuming both countries to be similar. What you don’t understand is that being 1% of the population, you don’t see, hear or “feel” Hinduism in Pakistan, except maybe if you see someone on TV or see a Mandir. There are so few of them that Pakistan has never really had a problem of Hindu-Muslim rioting on a major scale, the way India keeps having them. Religious discrimination in Pakistan is not a big issue, ethnic discrimination is.

  147. #147 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 12:44 PM


    So can someone not say Musharraf is sacrificing his life for Pakistan? I think it is more apt if you say Musharraf sacrificed his life for the nation, not least because he was an excellent soldier for most of his life. So this guy LITERALLY put his life on the line for the country.

    The reason why people come to power in Pakistan is to make money and Musharraf did not make any.

    3 attempts on his life were made, yet why did he choose to remain in power?

    You will have to make up your mind about this. Either you can say being a dictator he was an American agent, but because you think America is the shining beacon in this world and is completely flawless, you will perhaps not go down that route.

    You obviously think he was bad for Pakistan, so why did he come to power and become such a controversial figure, who is adored by one segment of the population, but hated by another?

  148. #148 by Dimple Rosy Cheeks on March 10, 2009 - 1:02 PM


    Do you seriously believe he is there for the greater good and he is gaining nothing?

    Like I say and I reiterate, I am sceptical about his intentions and whilst at one point I supported his ideologies and was an avid supporter, he seems power hungry to me and I think his true motives and intentions are not being conveyed. That is not to say that he intends malice for the country.

    Whilst I applauded the work he did for Pakistan, that admiration has disappeared totally and much of my family feel the same way after what my family experienced. I would never wish what happened, on anybody.

    I don’t think any man, whose institution thrives on greed and not upon the general well being of a cancer patient, can be a good leader.

    Musharraf whilst having his flaws, atleast stopped the country from digressing and unleashing itself into a downward spiral.

  149. #149 by Varun Suri on March 10, 2009 - 3:01 PM


    1. I know that that your intentions are not to needle anyone and I was in no way defending Vir Sanghvi.

    2. Well the Shipping Minister had to retract his statement the very next day and as far as others are concerned that was their initial reaction just as most of the times Indian Politicians react but I am talking about the present situation when Pakistani authorities have released the names (Asif) and origin (Kahuta) of few of the Terrorists who took part in 3/3.

    3.If you watch the GEO TV clips it not only gives you the impression that it was planned by a powerful agency just all by itself but the way they dodged the police so easily it led few people to believe that definitely there was some insider help otherwise how do you explain the terrorists roaming freely with AK-47’s on Lahore’s streets. At this juncture I would like to bring your attention to the several doubts raised by Mr Shafi in his article on DAWN–szh

    It is unbelievable that the 12-14 Terrorists carrying huge backpacks go un-noticed at Liberty Chowk and attack the Srilankan Bus amdist all the Tight Security given to them moreover The Gulberg police station is located barely one hundred yards from the scene and yet one hardly sees any Policemen at the scene while the firing goes on for almost 25 Minutes.

    I sincerely believe that there are lot of people in Pakistan who seriously do not know what is good in Pakistan’s interest and what is not and in most likelihood the Terrorists who could attack Cricketers in the Sub-Continent also belong to this group.

    As far as I am aware Kasab has not said anything about ISI’s involvement or any of the Majors it is the Telephonic intercepts provided by FBI and also probably by Indian Intelligence where there are conversations including some serving or retired officer in Pakistan. Kasab only spoke about his origins and the kind of training he got and how they went about in planning 26/11.

    I remember few weeks back Javed had raised the concern about the threat to his life in the Indian Prison. Well the Indian Government has already spent 2 Crores on his Security and right now they are busy constructing a special underground prison for him near the Mumbai Court where he would be produced every now and then.

    On the issue of minorities it just so happened that while we are debating on this issue I come across this on DAWN’s website–bi

  150. #150 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 3:41 PM


    About the 35 Hindus fleeing, I read that news in yesterday’s Hindustantimes. I read that today in Dawn, too.

    I agree with you that this is a matter of concern and it is undeniable that these Taliban criminals are heartless and bigoted.

    This is not an excuse or justification, but this campaign of harassment and terror has been going on since 2001, when the Taliban were pushed out of Afghanistan and migrated to Pakistan. They are trying to establish Sharia Law everywhere and their version of Islamic law is that which 99% of Muslims don’t agree with.

    Compared to what they have done to Muslims, what they have done to Hindus or Christians in that region is nothing. They have destroyed barbers’ shops (because they believe shaving is un-Islamic), they have destroyed music and movie shops, harassed people wearing shirt and trousers/jeans etc.

    However, again, the War on Terror is to be blamed for this. There has been so much destruction of life, property, schools, hospitals, stores etc etc, that the society has become lawless which has given rise to “goonda raaj” and basically anyone who wields a gun, is calling the shots.

  151. #151 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 10, 2009 - 4:07 PM

    Varun: Sometimes it is difficult to understand the meaning of one verse from the entire ghazal, because of the interconnectedness and sometimes it is an independent verse. The one you have quoted here for me to explain is:

    Ta kare na ghammaazi kar liya hai dushman ko
    Dost ki shikayat mein humne humzaban apna

    I remember only the first and the last verses of this ghazal.

    The first one is:

    zikr us pareewash kaa, aur phir bayaan apna
    ban gaya raqeeb aakhir tha jo raazdaan apna

    (here the poet is saying, I praised my beloved’s beauty in such fine words that my friend who used to keep my secrets got so tempted that he fall in love with my beloved and became my raqeeb or my rival or my enemy.)

    The (maqta) the last verse is:

    ham kahaan kay dana thay? kis hunar may yakta thay?
    bay sabab hua Ghalib dushman aasman apna

    dana = aqalmand and, hunar = profession and, yakta = unique (I think the rest is clear to you?)

    I have to see the Urdu script to understand how “Ta Kare” is written? Because, that’s the only word that is confusing in the above verse, the rest is clear to me. I have a beautiful book called “Mussavir-e-Ghalib” A collection of Ghalib’s poetry and I will look into it.

    I guess the most difficult word for you in that verse is “ghammaazi” its funny that a few weeks ago I tried to explain it to Munir about ghammaazi. It will be difficult to find my comments on this blog, so I will explain its meaning here.

    Ghammaazi is not from Gham or sadness that is Ghum or ghum-e-duniya or duniya ka ghum. This Ghammaazi is an Arabic word and the root is “ghamada” which means, “aankh say ishaara kerna” or in a layman’s terminology “aankh maarna” But, in Salees Urdu, people find it very “mayoob” or uncivilized and objectionable to say aankh maarna, so they say ghammaazi kerna.

    The possible meaning of that verse, based on the first verse of this ghazal is: Dost nay isharatan shikayat ki about the enemy and to please my friend I have turned the adversary into a friend to the extent that he became my ally or humzubaan. And humzubaan means the one who speaks the same language and it also means, the one who thinks alike.

    So, this verse no. 4 that you don’t understand is in total contrast to the verse number 1 of this ghazal. I may be wrong in the interpretation but, unless I see the Urdu script I won’t be sure. Even if the word, “Ta Kare” in Urdu is correctly written, I am not sure about its meaning, perhaps it is one of those words which went out of use and no one uses it in every day’s life…. or Aaam Bole Chaal may nahee use hota.

    On TV during the Urdu news they use words like, “Ta Hum” and “Dareen Asna” which are not used in day to day life. Ta hum is like hence and Dareen Asna is like during this time…. like in French; en c’est le moment ….

  152. #152 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 10, 2009 - 4:27 PM

    DRC – tum tou baree Dana nikleen. I am impressed by the way you have criticized Imran Khan for what he is becoming now……… there is no sarcasm, I am serious here. I have always thought that Imran being so educated will be the only hope and the choice to lead the country and drag it out of the woods. But in the last 17 years he did nothing to build his image in the political arena.

    All those educated people who had hopes from Imran have lost that hope because of his immature statements which he keeps negating every now and then. 17 years is a long time for a person of his age to recognize himself in politics but, he has still not gained any mass, because of his two diverse roles. First he was very obstinate and rigid in his views and refused the Premiership when Musharraf offered him and now he realized that he missed the train, he has become a rolling stone by claiming to join hands with Nawaz Sharif and making stupid statements.

    What will he gain from Nawaz Sharif? Nothing, he will use him like a toilet paper or a LOTA and even Nawaz’s own political career has come to an end. He is a finished case.

    You are also darn right and said it nicely that: “Musharraf whilst having his flaws, atleast stopped the country from digressing and unleashing itself into a downward spiral.”

  153. #153 by Varun Suri on March 10, 2009 - 5:14 PM

    Thank you Javed sahab for your wonderful explanation you were right in guessing that i did not understand the meaning of the word ghammaazi, although i did get the meaning of it because the book i am using has explanation in English as well but it is always good to get a second opinion from someone more knowledgeable like you!

    The book I am using is titled Ghalib: Epistemologies of Elegance by Azra Raza(Karachi-Manhattan) and Sara Suleri Goodyear (Karachi-Yale).

    Also I perfectly understood what you were trying to say by c’est le moment as in German they have an equivalent:-
    der Augenblick

  154. #154 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 5:24 PM

    Is Pervez Musharraf Still Relevant In Pakistani Politics?

    By Moin Ansari

    NEW YORK, U.S.—The increased belligerence of Mr. Nawaz Sharif can only be matched by the exponential increase in the public appearances of former president Pervez Musharraf. The present government is incompetent and has no credibility. The popularity ratings of Mr. Zardari are half that of Mr. Musharraf.

    President General (retd) Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan has a great personality and can speak really well. His eloquence can only be matched by his self-confidence. There are no absolutes, but the general consensus is that he is incorruptible and his team, judging by Pakistani standards, was not corrupt, or not as corrupt as Mr. Zardari’s or Mr. Sharif’s.

    Questions about Pervez Musharraf’s decision on joining America’s war in Afghanistan have pretty much been rebutted by the PPPP’s servile acquiescence to the same diktats. Many Pakistanis seriously doubt if the PMLN government will be able to extricate Pakistan from the American bear hug that is hurtling Afghanistan and Pakistan towards a revolution. History will judge Pervez Musharraf kindly. The decade of his rule saw Pakistan progress in many areas. Defense, telecommunication and banking flourished. Agriculture survived and inflation and shortages were kept to a minimum. The astronomical success of the electrification program and the relative affluence accorded to many Pakistanis led the way to shortages of food and electricity. The Chasma II did not come up to speed fast enough and Kalabagha and Bhasha remained mired in controversy. The energy crisis was not planned for and in many ways agriculture should have been given more attention.

    Of course Pervez Musharraf’s most heinous crime was subversion of the Pakistani constitution. He did it once and his actions were absolved by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, the Pakistani parliament, the people of Pakistan and politicians from across the spectrum. His misdeeds were thus institutionalized.

    The issue of his disregard of the constitution however goes beyond the redemption given to him for his actions against Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. In a carefully thought out plan, Pervez Msuharraf was given a strict schedule of two years to take off his uniform. The two year window would have allowed him the two years necessary to be “out of office” so that his party could run in the elections and he could be nominated as president again. In effect his misdeeds would have been “constitutionalized” and the country would have been spared the problems it faces now.

    However Pervez Musharraf was buoyed by his foreign visits and propelled by the false sense of security accorded to him by the White House. Sequestered in the cocoon of the presidency he was overwhelmed by the flatterers who insisted that he not take off his uniform. He made his blunder. He did not take off his uniform under the plan worked out for him. He violated the contract with the Pakistani politicians, a contract that had carefully crafted his safe passage. He stubbornly refused to take off his uniform. This refusal antagonized the entire spectrum of Pakistani politics–from Imran Khan to the Jamat e Islami to the PML to the ANP. Musharraf had thought that Condaleeza Rice would make him another Hosni Mubarak. The U.S. had another plan up its sleeve. It wanted a more compliant president in Islamabad. Unknown to him a plan had been hatched to replace him.

    He took off his uniform not at the insistence of the Pakistani people, but because of the pressure from the White House. Once he had done that and appointed General Kayani as the new COAS, the opposition was emboldened. They had tasted blood and would not let go. By not taking off his uniform according to the Pakistani schedule everything went haywire. He was now in violation of other segments of the constitution. He thus ran awry of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry who had given him a carte blanche earlier. By not taking off his uniform Pervez Musharraf now was illegal again. Only Pervez Musharraf was responsible for landing into the fire twice.

    He thus tried to do what he had done before, subvert the constitution again. This time the Supreme Court refused to give him a life line. Additionally this time around the Pakistani politicians refused to support him. The people had forgotten the total incompetence and stupidity of the political parties and had forgiven their sins of corruption. Faced with a war on their doorstep and missing Pakistanis, the nation reached out to the tried and tested horses–the ones that had failed them twice before.

    Musharraf now tried to use the only leverage he had, sign a deal with the PPPP and try to stay in power. The Benazir fiasco threw a wrench in his plan. Nawaz Sharif barged into the party, and the people elected the PPPP into power. An emboldened Asif Zardari used Nawaz Sharif to get rid of Musharraf and then went back on his signed declaration to restore the judges.

    This brings us to the “dharna” and the lawyers’s movement. Nawaz Sharif now wants to force Mr. Zardari to restore Chief Justice Ifthikhar Chaudry. The PPPP is scared that restoring the judges will open up the Pandora’s box of the National Reconciliation Order (NRO). The NRO forgave the sins of the MQM and the PPPP on all counts of corruption and evil deeds. Constitutional experts are split on the legality of the NRO beyond 90 days. The PPPP has the votes in the National Assembly and the Senate to regularize the NRO and consecrate it so that the Chief Justice is unable to undo it. Why Mr. Zardari has not done so is beyond comprehension. He has thus done nothing to neutralize a loaded gun pointed at him. If the NRO expires or is overturned, Mr. Zardari would be ineligible to hold office.

    Mr. Pervez Musharraf is a very savvy politician, possibly the smartest one around. The current government in power is totally incompetent. It has been able to pass only four laws in the National Assembly in the past year and is looked at as a client government under the supervision of the White House in Washington. Mr. Pervez Musharraf judges the low popularity of Mr. Zardari as a possible window of opportunity to make a comeback. It is very obvious that he has ambitions beyond being a coup dictator. He has a constituency in Pakistan. Can he gather them to help him?

    Legally, he cannot run for any office until 2010 or thereabouts–two years after resigning as COAS. Technically he is still a violator of the constitution. The penalty for violating the constitution and abrogating his oath is death. He has not been indemnified for his removal of the Chief Justice and ensuing actions.

    Mr. Musharraf’s statement that Mr. Zardari took his advice on Salman Taseer is a carefully crafted message and it is a poignant reminder to Pakistanis that he is still relevant in Pakistan. He could work with Mr. Zardari and consecrate a new NRO which would indemnify him of his 2nd “Martial Law (which he euphemistically named as “Emergency Plus’). If his misdeeds are forgiven, he could get elected to the parliament and lead the PML or his new party Pasdaran e Pakistan to victory.

    The people of Pakistan are fed up with the wrangling of the Zardaris and the Sharifs. Mr. Zardari cannot rule or will not rule. We are not sure why, but the incompetence and corruption is in their blood. Can Pakistan tolerate a decade of the Sharif-Zardari fued?

  155. #155 by khansahab on March 10, 2009 - 5:39 PM

    Pervez Musharraf for reconciliatory politics in country

    KARACHI: Former president Pervez Musharraf Monday said that there should be politics of reconciliation in the country which is passing through a critical juncture

    He was addressing a press conference held immediately after his arrival at Karachi airport from India.

    Pervez Musharraf said Sharif brothers are themselves responsible for whatever is happening with them.

    Commenting on dealing with terrorist elements in the country, he said Pakistan must use iron clad hand to crush terrorists.

    The former president extremist elements exist in our society but he ruled out success in war on terror only through use of force.

    He expressed satisfaction to the kind of security being provided to him in Pakistan and added that he knows how to take care of himself.

    Pervez Musharraf said he went to India as a common citizen for delivering lecture where he was provided security protocol of a former president. This kind of visits help remove misunderstandings, he added.

    The scholars with whom I interacted during the visit questioned me with an open mind and also listened attentively to what I had to say.

    He said he felt that India has more misperceptions.

    Pervez Musharraf said good progress was being made on Kashmir issue during his regime.

  156. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 10, 2009 - 9:01 PM

    Varun – On Tendulkar being a team player or not cannot be judged by that single innings of 163 retired hurt against NZ in the last ODI in the 45th over. He was hurt in the second match on O’Brien’s bowling. I watched the 3rd match live and he was not in pain when he was in his 70’s but, he aggravated that injury when he was in his 140’s. The moment he played the leg glance four he was in immense pain and then he got that tape on his stomach to hold his stomach muscles, but that didn’t work and now he is out of the 4th match @ Hamilton.

    And then he hit a low six over the covers on that small ground which landed just a yard outside the boundary, he was in immense pain again. I don’t think he would have played more because of the pain. He was 186 n.o. before and that was a chance for him to beat Saeed Anwar’s record but, he couldn’t. Even Dhoni was 183 n.o. and he had more chances of breaking Saeed Anwar’s record but, Yuvraj did not allow him to do that, instead of giving him a chance to play more he himself was scoring runs and that wasn’t of any significance.

    Even Imran Nazir had a good chance to break that record in the world cup against Zimbabwe when he threw away his wicket. The point is there are so many IF’s and BUT’s ………. and his record is still there challenging batsmen to break it and it is something that cannot be broken, it will be for sure. May be whoever breaks it will even make 200 which Saeed Anwar missed.

  157. #157 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 10, 2009 - 9:13 PM

    West Indies is struggling on the “dituriating” wicket against England and I am sure the Spin Kid must be glued to the TV screen watching Panesar. The fate will be sealed in the next 4 overs, perhaps the match will end in a tame draw.

    Ps. England took another wicket just now 3.2 overs to go only two more wickets to win. Sensational now, as tail enders playing with Ramdin.

  158. #158 by M. Y.. Kasim on March 10, 2009 - 10:56 PM

    I wrote about three or four blogs last week but somehow or other, everytime I click on “Submit Comment”, they evaporate!!

    Anyway, I will write some other day since I dont feel like typing today.

    You guys have good day or evening or night.

  159. #159 by khansahab on March 11, 2009 - 1:10 AM

    A very happy Holi to all our Indian friends on LS.

  160. #160 by Varun Suri on March 11, 2009 - 2:39 AM

    A Very Happy Holi and Eid Mubarak to all the commentators!!

  161. #161 by Mohammed Munir on March 11, 2009 - 9:09 AM

    Khan Sahab @ below article by Moin Ansari …

    You have dug down a good article and I have read the whole article with great interest (which I rarely do). Nevertheless, you have highlighted some of the text which makes an interesting reading but you overlooked to highlighted some other parts of the same article which, in my humble opinion, make even more interesting reading.

    If you allow me the liberty of space here, I have re-pasted the whole article again, but this time highlighting some of the ‘sentences’ which you missed. You will be surprised with what I came up with … Please read, if you have some free time 😉

    Is Pervez Musharraf Still Relevant In Pakistani Politics?

    By Moin Ansari

    NEW YORK, U.S.— The increased belligerence of Mr. Nawaz Sharif can only be matched by the exponential increase in the public appearances of former president Pervez Musharraf. The present government is incompetent and has no credibility. The popularity ratings of Mr. Zardari are half that of Mr. Musharraf.

    President General (retd) Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan has a great personality and can speak really well. His eloquence can only be matched by his self-confidence. There are no absolutes, but the general consensus is that he is incorruptible and his team, judging by Pakistani standards, was not corrupt, or not as corrupt as Mr. Zardari’s or Mr. Sharif’s.

    Questions about Pervez Musharraf’s decision on joining America’s war in Afghanistan have pretty much been rebutted by the PPPP’s servile acquiescence to the same diktats. Many Pakistanis seriously doubt if the PMLN government will be able to extricate Pakistan from the American bear hug that is hurtling Afghanistan and Pakistan towards a revolution. History will judge Pervez Musharraf kindly. The decade of his rule saw Pakistan progress in many areas. Defense, telecommunication and banking flourished. Agriculture survived and inflation and shortages were kept to a minimum. The astronomical success of the electrification program and the relative affluence accorded to many Pakistanis led the way to shortages of food and electricity. The Chasma II did not come up to speed fast enough and Kalabagha and Bhasha remained mired in controversy. The energy crisis was not planned for and in many ways agriculture should have been given more attention.

    Of course Pervez Musharraf’s most heinous crime was subversion of the Pakistani constitution. He did it once and his actions were absolved by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, the Pakistani parliament, the people of Pakistan and politicians from across the spectrum. His misdeeds were thus institutionalized.

    The issue of his disregard of the constitution however goes beyond the redemption given to him for his actions against Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. In a carefully thought out plan, Pervez Msuharraf was given a strict schedule of two years to take off his uniform. The two year window would have allowed him the two years necessary to be “out of office” so that his party could run in the elections and he could be nominated as president again. In effect his misdeeds would have been “constitutionalized” and the country would have been spared the problems it faces now.

    However Pervez Musharraf was buoyed by his foreign visits and propelled by the false sense of security accorded to him by the White House. Sequestered in the cocoon of the presidency he was overwhelmed by the flatterers who insisted that he not take off his uniform. He made his blunder. He did not take off his uniform under the plan worked out for him. He violated the contract with the Pakistani politicians, a contract that had carefully crafted his safe passage. He stubbornly refused to take off his uniform. This refusal antagonized the entire spectrum of Pakistani politics –from Imran Khan to the Jamat e Islami to the PML to the ANP. Musharraf had thought that Condaleeza Rice would make him another Hosni Mubarak. The U.S. had another plan up its sleeve. It wanted a more compliant president in Islamabad. Unknown to him a plan had been hatched to replace him.

    He (Pervez Musharraf) took off his uniform not at the insistence of the Pakistani people, but because of the pressure from the White House. Once he had done that and appointed General Kayani as the new COAS, the opposition was emboldened. They had tasted blood and would not let go. By not taking off his uniform according to the Pakistani schedule everything went haywire. He was now in violation of other segments of the constitution. He thus ran awry of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry who had given him a carte blanche earlier. By not taking off his uniform Pervez Musharraf now was illegal again. Only Pervez Musharraf was responsible for landing into the fire twice.

    He (Pervez Musharraf) thus tried to do what he had done before, subvert the constitution again. This time the Supreme Court refused to give him a life line. Additionally this time around the Pakistani politicians refused to support him. The people had forgotten the total incompetence and stupidity of the political parties and had forgiven their sins of corruption. Faced with a war on their doorstep and missing Pakistanis, the nation reached out to the tried and tested horses–the ones that had failed them twice before.

    Musharraf now tried to use the only leverage he had, sign a deal with the PPPP and try to stay in power. The Benazir fiasco threw a wrench in his plan. Nawaz Sharif barged into the party, and the people elected the PPPP into power. An emboldened Asif Zardari used Nawaz Sharif to get rid of Musharraf and then went back on his signed declaration to restore the judges.

    This brings us to the “dharna” and the lawyers’s movement. Nawaz Sharif now wants to force Mr. Zardari to restore Chief Justice Ifthikhar Chaudry. The PPPP is scared that restoring the judges will open up the Pandora’s box of the National Reconciliation Order (NRO). The NRO forgave the sins of the MQM and the PPPP on all counts of corruption and evil deeds. Constitutional experts are split on the legality of the NRO beyond 90 days. The PPPP has the votes in the National Assembly and the Senate to regularize the NRO and consecrate it so that the Chief Justice is unable to undo it. Why Mr. Zardari has not done so is beyond comprehension. He has thus done nothing to neutralize a loaded gun pointed at him. If the NRO expires or is overturned, Mr. Zardari would be ineligible to hold office.

    Mr. Pervez Musharraf is a very savvy politician, possibly the smartest one around. The current government in power is totally incompetent. It has been able to pass only four laws in the National Assembly in the past year and is looked at as a client government under the supervision of the White House in Washington. Mr. Pervez Musharraf judges the low popularity of Mr. Zardari as a possible window of opportunity to make a comeback. It is very obvious that he has ambitions beyond being a coup dictator. He has a constituency in Pakistan. Can he gather them to help him?

    Legally, he (Pervez Musharraf) cannot run for any office until 2010 or thereabouts–two years after resigning as COAS. Technically he is still a violator of the constitution. The penalty for violating the constitution and abrogating his oath is death. He has not been indemnified for his removal of the Chief Justice and ensuing actions.

    Mr. Musharraf’s statement that Mr. Zardari took his advice on Salman Taseer is a carefully crafted message and it is a poignant reminder to Pakistanis that he is still relevant in Pakistan. He could work with Mr. Zardari and consecrate a new NRO which would indemnify him of his 2nd “Martial Law (which he euphemistically named as “Emergency Plus’). If his misdeeds are forgiven, he could get elected to the parliament and lead the PML or his new party Pasdaran e Pakistan to victory.

    The people of Pakistan are fed up with the wrangling of the Zardaris and the Sharifs. Mr. Zardari cannot rule or will not rule. We are not sure why, but the incompetence and corruption is in their blood. Can Pakistan tolerate a decade of the Sharif-Zardari fued?

    PS: This journalism is really a funny business, sometimes, even a small act highlighting part of the text can make such a huge difference in it’s overall message.

  162. #162 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 11, 2009 - 9:14 AM

    Varun: Konsi Eid Bhai?

    On Holi & cricket here is Moin Akhtar’s poetry:

    Aao Parosan khailain holy
    Mai, Tum, Tendulkar, Ganguly 😀

  163. #163 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 11, 2009 - 9:27 AM

    SehWACK’s India’s fastest ODI Century

    Virender Sehwag made the fastest ODI century for India in 60 balls, breaking Azharuddin’s record of 67 balls and the 7th fastest hundred for all times.

    I watched the whole match live, but it was full of rain interruptions and at one time when the play was halted by rain during India’s innings @ 19.2 overs Sehwag’s heart was in his mouth because, in case of more rain and play abandoned due to rain (Under D/L farcical method minimum 20 overs are required) his 100 in 60 balls would have not been official and the match would have been declared abandoned due to rain.

    Luckily play was resumed and on 19.3 ball i.e., the first ball after the rain McGlashen the wicketkeeper dropped Sehwag and the match continued but, after a few overs when it was 200 plus and for no wicket rain interrupted again and I am in no mood to watch the result, which is so obvious.

    Dhoni missed another stumping chance today ……. upon losing the toss when he was asked to comment, he said, its good the pressure is all on them to score and they know we can chase, so I am not bothered losing the toss. That is a good positive characteristic. That is what the Australian attitude is, toss doesn’t matter we have to play our own game.

    Now, after 4 ODI’s one is a draw due to rain, the other three won by India very comfortably. The fifth is @ Auckland on Saturday and I hope it will not be interrupted again by rain dogs? If the weather is like this in NZ during this time of the year, then why do they have to schedule a series? Except for one ODI, all three have been effected by rain.

    Jacob Oram’s batting form is still bothering him, he scored 0, 0, 7 and 1 in four matches. Even Taylor is having bad times. Tendulkar scored 4,6,7,20 and 163 n.o. in the last 4 ODI’s. And, he is likely to play @ Auckland.

  164. #164 by khansahab on March 11, 2009 - 9:46 AM

    Munir sahab

    Yes, I did not highlight the bits that were critical of Musharraf, simply because I want to focus on the good he did, because that outweighs whatever bad he did for the country.

    And what he did “bad” is more to do about things like illegality and someone who came to power through a channel that is not considered democratic. Moin Ansari, I feel has been balanced in his assessment but for me the most important part of the article is when he said, “the general consensus is that he (Musharraf) is incorruptible”.

    This is a neverending debate and I personally don’t care about NRO, the stupid constitution, the code of the Army, because these things are just an excuse to oust someone who is not popular with the majority of the people. Civilian leaders have taken all measures to ensure they remain in power, however we have a weak checks and balances system which has previously never operated justly when Nawaz or Zardari were ruling the country like dictators.

    You have to wonder why only under Musharraf Pakistanis started talking about things they didn’t consider important before, which are, abiding by the constituion and upholding the rule of law?

    Nawaz Sharif did unconstitutional acts when he was PM such as giving himself some Presidential powers which the constitution says a PM must not do, and he also planned an assault on the Supreme Court where his workers beat up judges and lawyers and destroyed the Supreme Court property, but Pakastan dey vikeel Sher key saath hain…….

    What a joke.

  165. #165 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 11, 2009 - 9:54 AM


    Beofre you think of extracting some negative comments from Ansari’s article by highlighting them as a retort to khansahab’s highlighting don’t forget that, Moin Ansari’s article is on Ahmad Quraishi’s website and he is an ardent supporter of Musharraf and he wanted to give a fair view. And, I have read that article before it was posted here on LS.

    The caption of Moin Ansari’s article is:
    Is Pervez Musharraf Still Relevant In Pakistani Politics?

    khansahab missed what was written below the caption. I am doing the copy paste now:

    Mr. Musharraf has charisma. But he was a colossal disappointment for Pakistanis because of his failure to end destructive Pakistani politics and his exaggerated trust in the Americans. Now he is trying to make a comeback. Does he stand a chance?

    That failure to end destructive Pakistani politics is a taunt and sarcasm which says a lot between the lines, if only you can find the “colossal difference.”

    Secondly, the point, rather the full paragraph which you have highlighted below needs some introspection and analysis:

    Legally, he (Pervez Musharraf) cannot run for any office until 2010 or thereabouts–two years after resigning as COAS. Technically he is still a violator of the constitution. The penalty for violating the constitution and abrogating his oath is death. He has not been indemnified for his removal of the Chief Justice and ensuing actions.

    Which constitution are we talking about? The one with 13th, 14th, 17th and umpteenth amendment made by Nawaz Sharif? What is its significance? If a so-called democratically elected leader bought and intimidated the judges to amend the constitution to suit his power hunger, what is wrong with a so-called military dictator using his powers to dismiss the CJ of SC in the light of the same constitution?

    And, when the same dictator choose a supreme court judge and superseded him and made him the chief justice of the supreme court of Pakistan, that person did not bat an eyelid and said, “Sir jee tusi key kerr ray O?” I am not qualified to be the CJ of SC and neither are you, bakaoz you are a military dictator” At that time he accepted that post gleefully and happily. Where are the morals, ethics and where was the constitution then?

    By the way we are not journalists ……. we express our views just like you do and highlighting the text is an option open for all and you too have used it to your advantage so what funny business are we talking about? Its not huge difference, its “same difference” my dear. 😀

  166. #166 by khansahab on March 11, 2009 - 10:44 AM



    An arrest warrant has been issued against Imran Khan. I don’t want this to happen, I had hoped they would leave Imran alone.

    Nawaz Sharif has called on the people to rebel against the government. Punjab is expected to organise unprecedented rebellion.

    The Army Chief Kayani, who previously told Zardari to clean up the mess in Punjab by the long march, has met Gillani today and said that the Army is becoming uncomfortable with the chaos in Punjab.

    The Army might be taking over soon.

  167. #167 by Mohammed Munir on March 11, 2009 - 10:45 AM

    Javed Khan …

    You said, “And, when the same dictator choose a supreme court judge and superseded him and made him the chief justice of the supreme court of Pakistan, that person did not bat an eyelid and said, “Sir jee tusi key kerr ray O?” I am not qualified to be the CJ of SC and neither are you, bakaoz you are a military dictator” At that time he accepted that post gleefully and happily. Where are the morals, ethics and where was the constitution then?”

    Now we have discussed this point a million time that CJ was wrong in agreeing with Pervez Musharraf for his own promotion and accepting him and all that. But kindly look at it from another angle for once, why did Musharraf promot CJ and then went after him ?

    What I have been trying to convey is that on this issue, both CJ and PM are absolutely equally wrong, both have used each other, in your words, “like a toilet paper” and then threw it out of the window.

    So my friend, Chaudry Iftikhar = Pervez Musharraf = Nawaz Sharif = Asif Zardari = every Pakistani politician. (same difference, you see).

  168. #168 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 11, 2009 - 11:00 AM

    Chaudry Iftikhar = Pervez Musharraf = Nawaz Sharif = Asif Zardari = every Pakistani politician. (same difference, you see)…. Munir.

    But Munir, from your comments it always appears that you try to ridicule Musharraf and at the same time you admire Chaudhary Iftikhar’s Gold Medal on freedom to democracy.
    This is the first time you are admitting in writing that he is also wrong. So far you were pointing fingers only at Musharraf. So, eventually after discussing this subject a million times, you have changed your stance! Mughambo Khush hoa. 😀

    Aur yae Pushto ki Niswari goliyan chor dou, you know who is Reda Abbass, right? 😀

  169. #169 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 11, 2009 - 11:08 AM


    Rebel = Baaghi aur Baghawat ki saza kiya hoti hai?

    I think it is about time that Kiyani should interfere, enough is enough, laataon kay bhoot baataon say nahee maantay. Shafi Okarwi the famous Punjabi Religious Leader said:

    “Danda Wigriyaan Tigriyaan Da.” Danda bigraon ko sudhar deta hai. The age old saying of “Spare the Rod and Spoil the Child” applies on these culprits they will not listen to words, they don’t give a shit to the country. They have looted the country and needs to be imprisoned for life…. and that too somewhere in Andaman & Nicobar Islands jisko pehlay Kaala Paani kehtay thay…..

    After all England did this to their convicts and sent them to Australia. It will take 300-400 years for Nawaz Sharif and Zaradari generations to get civilized.

  170. #170 by khansahab on March 11, 2009 - 11:17 AM

    Pakistan Army has to do something: Pervez Musharraf

    Former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf on Monday stopped short of urging the military establishment in the country to take matters into its own hands, but warned that when internal and external threats became too acute the army had to do something ‘one way or another’.

    And as if these words were not enough to send alarm bells ringing in the corridors of a besieged government, Musharraf said: ‘I am not suggesting that the army chief (Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani) do this or that. It is his call.’

    He was speaking at a press conference here after returning from India, where he had gone to attend a two-day seminar organised by India Today.

    The retired general, who was asked what would be the role of the army in the prevailing political situation, especially in the backdrop of the lawyers’ long march, said: “I am not army chief and can’t say or know what will be the role of the army.

    ‘If internal threats become too acute and cause a threat to solidarity of Pakistan, then it is the responsibility of the army to do something for solidarity of the country.’

    He said Pakistan was passing through a critical phase and the entire world was concerned about its domestic situation. He urged politicians to work for reconciliation and end the political turmoil.

    In reply to a question, Musharraf said that any criticism of the Army and the ISI should not be tolerated and appealed to the nation to support the two prime institutions.

    The retired general said he would be interested in becoming an effective president if an offer was made. However, he added that until now he had no plans to join politics.

    He parried a question about the National Reconciliation Ordinance, only saying that he would respond in detail at an appropriate time.

    He said that he had no enmity with anyone. ‘Nawaz Sharif is responsible for whatever is happening to him.’

    Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf said that foreign militants, including Central Asians and Arabs, were hiding in the tribal areas.

    ‘I am against US drone attacks on them because it is up to the government to take action against militants hiding in the country,’ he added.

    He said that during his tenure as president, significant progress on certain issues, including that of Kashmir, had been made, but terror attacks in Mumbai and Lahore had soured the atmosphere.

    Musharraf urged the Pakistani and Indian media to persuade their governments to adopt the course of dialogue.

    In reply to a question, he said he was satisfied with the security provided to him by the government.

  171. #171 by khansahab on March 11, 2009 - 11:34 AM

    Pak PM Gilani to take over as president?

    3/11/2009 2:45:42 PM

    Even as political unrest peaks in Pakistan, after a massive rally by PML(N) chief Nawaz Sharif, reports surfaced that Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani is likely replace Asif Ali Zardari as the President of the county.

    Reports added that Gilani has better ties with the Pakistan Army than Zardari. He is also seen as a hardliner in military circles of the county, which is why the army is in favour of the PM, added sources.

    Meanwhile, earlier Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari today (March 11) met Army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, amids reports that Zardari plans to bring his choice of generals to top of the Pakistan Army to strengthen his grip on power.

    The development, according to sources, follows the Pakistan Army chief, General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, asking President Zardari to resolve persistent political crises within days.

    Sources revealed that hushed efforts have already begun to push Zardari’s choice of generals to the top. The Presidency, reports suggest, has privately met some generals who are due to retire soon. At least three uniformed officers have been seen visiting the Presidency at odd hours, like 3 am, and General Headquarters (GHQ) has already been alerted.

    One of these three generals has been military secretary to three previous Prime Ministers and this link is said to be the key.

  172. #172 by khansahab on March 11, 2009 - 11:47 AM

    Breaking promises will damage Zardari: Altaf

    LONDON: MQM supremo Altaf Hussain is a very disturbed man and minces no words in speaking out openly against the political ‘Tamasha’ going on in the Punjab and Islamabad, saying in so many words that he was not much interested in saving the political system because the very existence of the state was at stake and time was running out fast.

    “I have been pleading with President Zardari and Mian Nawaz Sharif to start a dialogue and bring the temperature down but it appears that personalities of people change when they occupy seats of supreme power and no one then listens to any sane advice. I can only speak to them as I do not have a gun to force them,” he told me in a long talk during which he spoke mostly on the record but also gave some scathing comments about everyone off the record.

    But during the long discussion, I got a very strong sense that while Altaf Bhai was repeatedly warning against the dangers to the country, he said several times that “we will not be affected” probably meaning that Karachi will still be a MQM-controlled city. “Hamain to faraq nahin parta”, was his refrain more than once, yet he was sincerely of the view that Pakistan was facing serious threats and the current political infighting was totally unnecessary and irrelevant to the challenges that lurked not so far away in time.

    “The superpowers can achieve what they want and pretty easily,” Altaf Hussain said in another context. He was very interested in the recent Nato briefings that seniors editors and media men recently got for several days in Brussels and when told that Nato and the Western countries were not just thinking the present geographicstate of Pakistan but even beyond that, Altaf Bhai was quick to grab the argument to say this was exactly what his analysis was.

    The MQM chief is also very worried about the long march and its consequences for the country and he repeatedly said politicians did not learn lessons as the current jockeying for power was not in the country’s interest.

    He almost said during our conversation that the Army could return to power as a result of the present confrontation. “I can see that this will ultimately be the only result,” he thoughtfully said, speaking very slowly and contemplating and focusing his thoughts.

    “These politicians belong to the rich, feudal and elite class and they cannot change their ways. This is out of question,” Altaf Hussain said, repeating at one point that “this country is also getting out of question”, meaning it may not survive this wrangling. But when asked if the country broke up where and how will these rich classes survive, he said: “They will survive because they have made their alternate arrangements. The 98 per cent of the poor people will be destroyed.”

    He recalled his party’s efforts to set foot in the Punjab and the rest of the country and said they had spent millions of rupees to get a foothold in the Punjab but did not succeed but they were trying and would keep on trying. “Ours is a party which can bring the change and people of Pakistan had to realise that they need a party which does not protect the rich classes only.”

    Altaf Bhai narrated an interesting story about Karachi Nazim Mustafa Kamal who, he said, had been picked purely on merit because when he came to him, he had no lobby or no ‘Sifarish’ from anyone.

    He even did not have the money. “When I picked him up as the mayor of Karachi, I took him to a London designer suit shop and bought him some decent suits and shirts as he could not afford them,” the MQM supremo recalled. “I have told the mayor to come to me for every request, whenever he needs anything. And so he does, even when his mother is sick or there is any other family problem.”

    About Gen Musharraf, the MQM leader was very bitter because he said the MQM supported him out of the way but when he took the decision of removing the Supreme Court chief justice and the judiciary, he did not consult the party even once. “If he had done so, things would not have been the same.”

    He even saw some conspiracy in the high media projection of Gen Musharraf and said he was surprised that the media was treating him still like a head of state. “They even preferred the Musharraf news conference on Monday to the public meeting of Nawaz Sharif in Jhelum,” he remarked.

    Speaking in philosophical terms, Altaf Hussain said he would never ever take any office, as he had not done so until now. “Even if the MQM forms governments in the entire country, I will never accept any office. I believe in hard work, honesty and commitment, which can be done without an office.”

    But then he went on to state that Pakistan now needed a French Revolution to correct the situation. “If people who think like me come to power, they should clean up the corrupt — both in the military and the civil feudal structures. Only this is the solution.”

    He totally agreed when I mentioned Imam Khomeini, the leader of the Iranian revolution. “We do need a Khomeini,” he said. Coming back to Pakistani politics, he again asked Nawaz Sharif and President Zardari to sit down for a dialogue and find a solution, which is better for the country. “Otherwise, the consequences will be too disastrous.”

    He said the steps taken by President Zardari, specially going back on his written agreements and promises, may have helped him in the short run but were very damaging for his image and long-term politics.

  173. #173 by khansahab on March 11, 2009 - 12:50 PM


    According to trusted sources the fear of unprecedented rebellion in Punjab has led the government to discuss the restoration of Ifthikar Choudhary as the Chief Justice of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

    Pakastan Zindabad.

  174. #174 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 11, 2009 - 7:44 PM

    Following is a news clipping from the Daily Indian Express March 11, 2009.

    Islamabad: Rising political tension in Pakistan fueled media speculation about possible Army intervention as the Government warned former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif that his anti-government speeches amounted to sedition shortly after he asked people to revolt. Returning home from New Delhi, former President Pervez Musharraf backed the Army to deal with a potential crisis and even threw his hat in the ring, saying “if I am offered the post of President and if I can be a useful President… then I will want to contribute to this country”.

    “If the country faces an internal threat to its integrity, it is the responsibility of the Army to protect the country,”
    Musharraf told reporters in Karachi. He said he did not want to be “a useless President.”

    His comments came even as Sharif, ahead of an anti-government rally by his supporters and lawyers, stepped up his offensive against President Asif Ali Zardari, even asking policemen at a rally in Jhelum not to follow “illegal and unconstitutional orders” of the government. Nawaz Sharif urged people to take to streets and get ready to “sacrifice for a revolution”.

    Shortly after Sharif’s speech, Interior Security minister Rehman Malik, in a televised address, warned that “inciting people for disobedience is sedition, it could get life imprisonment and a fine”. He said the government had ‘“no intention” of arresting Sharif but suggested it had the grounds to do so. He read out extracts from several speeches he said were made by Sharif in recent weeks.

    The Asia Times Online said the Army may be forced to intervene and that it had asked Zardari to quickly set things right with Sharif before March 16 when the anti-government rally is due to be held in Islamabad. “Pakistan’s deteriorating political situation has activated the previously very low profile Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani,” the report said, adding that the situation in Pakistan is “fast becoming untenable”. The country is “becoming less and less governable under the present arrangement, and quick action is required”. There was no immediate response from the Army or the government to the report.

    The PML-N rally, due in Islamabad on March 16, will be preceded by a ‘Long March’ from Lahore on March 12. Malik said protesters would not be allowed to rally in front of the Parliament building or other downtown areas as planned. He said the government would act if the organisers and supporters of the ‘Long March’ take the law into their own hands. If the march resulted in death and violence, “names of those calling for a revolution will be included in an FIR,” he said.

  175. #175 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 11, 2009 - 10:10 PM


    If Zardari has to go and to replace him with Gillani is not a good decision or the right choice. The right person for this job would be the foreign minister of Pakistan Shah Mahmood Qureshi. He is the most deserving and qualified person for that job. He is an Oxford graduate, he has enough political background and experience. Prior to this he was finance minister for the province of Punjab and he hails from a good family background from Multan. His English is a thousand times better than Gillani and he has more finesse than him. And, on top of that he is also a Punjabi i.e., in case the Punjabis object to someone coming from a different ethnic background such as a Pathan or a Mohajir.

    As for the post of Chief Justice of the supreme court of Pakistan there is no better candidate than Justice Omer Bandiyal. He too is an Oxford graduate and a barrister from Lincoln’s Inn. He too hails from a good, honest, sincere and devoted Punjabi family even his father was a Justice and Omer is extremely competent and capable of handling the CJ of SCP job and is zillion times better than the Pay & Do Iftikhar Chaudhary.

  176. #176 by Dimple Rosy Cheeks on March 11, 2009 - 11:14 PM

    Thanks Javed for your supportive words. I could talk about Imran Khan till the cows come home but I am going to refrain.

    May Allah restore peace and justice within Pakistan and help the poor and needy. Aameen

  177. #177 by khansahab on March 12, 2009 - 8:33 PM

    Holbrooke bypasses Zardari, calls PM

    Islamabad, March 12: US representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke on Thursday telephoned Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani and expressed concerns over deepening political crisis in Pakistan.
    Holbrooke’s call to Gilani not Asif Ali Zardari fuels speculations about Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari been sidelined. It further adds to theory that political change in Pakistan is imminent.
    Earlier in the day, US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne W Patterson held talks with opposition leader Nawaz Sharif in Raiwind hours before the scheduled ‘long march’ from Karachi to Sindh.
    Political turmoil in the South Asian country has worried the United States, which has been pushing Pakistan to focus on fighting militants holed up on the border with Afghanistan and which is concerned about further instability in the nuclear-armed country.

  178. #178 by khansahab on March 12, 2009 - 8:48 PM

    Gilanis game plan to kill two birds with one stone

    Islamabad, Mar.12 (ANI): Pakistan Prime Minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani is trying very hard to save his chair and to put an end to the ongoing political turmoil in the country to stem another bout of military rule.

    Gilani, reportedly, is working on a reconciliation strategy with the PML-N that would include overturning the verdict of the Sharif brothers disqualification from contesting elections and reinstating Shabaz Sharif as chief minister of Punjab.

    It could also include, most significantly, re-establishing the judiciary and Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry to the November 2007 position.

    According to The News, the military, has backed Gilani for the reconciliation and ensure a strong platform for democratic institutions and leadership.

    Gilani is hopeful that President Zardari and the Pakistan Peoples Party would support him given the fact that he is working for the survival of democracy in the country.

    According to sources, Gilani is confident of not being thrown away from his chair as he feels that opposition members of the parliament would fall into his kitty in case of a dissection among his own party men.

  179. #179 by khansahab on March 12, 2009 - 9:01 PM

    PA condemns ‘subversive’ activities, attempts to fan provincialism

    The Sindh Assembly unanimously passed a resolution on Wednesday, condemning alleged “subversive and anti-people activities” which were aimed at destabilising the country and the elected government through fanning provincialism. The resolution also reposed full confidence in the leadership of President Asif Ali Zardari.

    Parliamentary leader of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), Syed Sardar Ahmed, moved the resolution after rules concerned were suspended. The motion was jointly supported by Pir Mazharul Haq of Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), Amir Nawab of Awami National Party (ANP), Arif Jatoi of National People’s Party (NPP), and Marvi Rashdi and Sahar Abbasi of Pakistan Muslim League-Functional (PML-F).

    The resolution held “these very inimical forces” responsible for the “assassinations” of Liaquat Ali Khan, Benazir Bhutto and Z.A. Bhutto, and condemned the “venom” of “evil forces” against the elected government and ransacking of the memorial of slain PPP leader Benazir Bhutto.

    Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah expressed his gratitude to Altaf Hussain, Pir Pagaro, Asfandyar Wali, Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi and Arbab Ghulam Rahim for helping to pass the resolution. Shah said that the country was facing an economic crisis, while the law-and-order situation was not stable in the northern areas, in North West Frontier Province (NWFP) and Balochistan. “After the attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore, our so-called friends condemned governor’s rule in Punjab, there but they forgot how many bomb blasts occurred during their rule,” he said.

    In an apparent reference to Sharif brothers, Shah said that after their disqualification by the Supreme Court (SC), they were just interested in furthering their personal interests at the cost of Pakistan and its citizens. He said that President Asif Ali Zardari had promised restoration of judges, and not of a single judge, adding, that at the time, it was suggested that a parliamentary committee would be formed which would look into the matter.

    Shah referred to the decision of former president, General (retd) Pervez Musharraf, to remove judges by imposing emergency in the country, and said that the Sharif brothers wanted the president and prime minister to follow the path of dictators for removing judges, which the PPP was not prepared to do.

    He said that another way of removing a judge was through Supreme Judicial Council when he is guilty of committing misconduct. However, the PPP had suggested to the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leadership to bring the issue before the parliament so that the 17th Amendment could be amended by two-third majority, and a procedure for the appointment of judges through it could be set.

    He said that out of 60 deposed judges, 54 had been restored, and the remaining were also asked by the law minister to take oath under 1973 Constitution and not the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO), adding, that the offer was based on logic and facts, and the provision available in the Constitution in this regard.

    Shah said that one of the SC judges, Mohammed Moosa Leghari, had earlier rejected the nomination papers of former PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto, and questioned how the man in question could be a friend of the PPP and the president. He said that the PPP did not make the decision an issue and tolerated this judge. Similarly, another judge, Zawar Hussain, in his capacity as judge of the Sindh High Court had also rejected nomination papers of Benazir Bhutto, but now he was a judge of the SC. In contrast, he said, Nawaz Sharif had launched an attack on then chief justice, Sajjad Ali Shah, and a contempt case was still pending against him.

    The chief minister alleged that it was Nawaz Sharif who did not keep his promises, as he signed the Charter of Democracy under the Alliance for Restoration of Democracy (ARD), but soon after, he discard it and formed the All Pakistan Democratic Movement (APDM). He said that Sharif announced his decision to boycott the elections on the APDM platform, but later he also left them by taking part in the elections.

    Shah said that under Article 234 of the Constitution, when the (Punjab) chief minister was disqualified, his government had “automatically” been ended, and therefore the imposition of governor’s rule was imperative for a temporary period. He said that legislators “forcibly” entered into the premises of the Punjab Assembly, which was a violation of the Constitution, and added that media reports revealed that PML-N only had the support of 132 members, hence did not enjoy a majority there.

    The chief minister recalled that Nawaz Sharif had imposed governor’s rule in Sindh when he was the prime minister, which was an “obnoxious” thing after the murder of former Sindh Governor Hakim Saeed. Later, he (Nawaz) also gave powers of running the province to a Member of National Assembly, Ghaus Ali Shah, which was a violation of the Constitution.

  180. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 12, 2009 - 9:15 PM

    khansahab – I think the Sindh CM, Qaim Ali Shah gave a very balanced statement and presented his views in a very simple way that Nawaz Sharif himself imposed Governor rule in Sindh when he was the PM and now what is his problem if the same has been done in Punjab by the Supreme Court Ruling? This is more legal and more judicious than his own dictatorship rule when he was PM.

    Right now he is doing nothing but Ghoonda-Gardi and these two Badmash Brothers are instigating the poor people and asking them to go ahead, create arson, chaos and looting and get killed while he still enjoys the wealth he has amassed from the people.

  181. #181 by khansahab on March 12, 2009 - 9:18 PM

    The situation in Pakistan is deeply disturbing and now the regional issues are being drawn out.

    After the diqualification of the Sharif brothers, Nawaz Sharif said the decision was a conspiracy against Punjab. This was one of his first speeches after the Supreme Court decision, and it was premature of him to say something of such magnitude.

    Zardari is seen to be more pliant towards ANP (Pathans) and MQM (Urdu Speakers) compared to the Punjab-based PPP leaders. It is said that the appointment of Farooq Naek as opposed to Mian Raza Rabbani as the Chairman of the Senate was also fuelled by Zardari’s reluctance to hand too much authority to PPP Punjab.

    One must not forget that the decision to appoint Gillani instead of Amin Fahim as the candidate for the post of the PM was also taken by Zardari due to regional factors- to keep Punjab satisfied.

    Now it is disturbing that today MQM, PPP Sindh and ANP unamiously said that Punjabis killed Liaquat Ali Khan, Zulfiqar Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto.

    It is believed in some Urdu Speaking circles that the feudal supremacists in Punjab organised the assassination of Liaqat Ali Khan for two reasons, one that despite being a feudal himself, Liaqat wanted to bring land reforms that would dilute the power of feudals, and secondly, Liaqat wanted to make a Uttar Pradesh in Sindh, a province for Urdu Speakers.

  182. #182 by khansahab on March 12, 2009 - 9:35 PM

    Also, reports are that PPP members in Punjab are all opposed to the imposition of Governor’s rule in Punjab and are thinking of getting Zardari dismissed.

    Even the PM Gillani has mentioned a few times in Parliament that the Sharif brothers should not have been disqualified.

    Zardari appointed Salman Taseer as Governor Punjab, who is perceived as an old enemy of the Sharif brothers. Taseer is a hated man across Punjab.

    Qaim Ali Shah also became the Chief Minister of Sindh, and he is also seen as anti Sharif brothers.

  183. #183 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 13, 2009 - 2:16 PM

    I’ve just read a headline on BBC which is like this: “Drone ‘kills 24 Pakistan Taleban”

    1. How convenient to say DRONE …. who is behind that? May be the little green men from Mars?

    2. By writing “Pakistan Taleban” at least they have admitted that there are other Talebans too? Which means people who are not Talebans are trying to pose as Talebans to tarnish their image.

    This subject of two Taleban groups came into focus sometime back when there was a news that people were shocked to see that some of the dead bodies of the so-called Talebans (when they were being washed before burial) were not circumcised.

    Talebans are known to be religious fanatics and no one can imagine that they would ignore such a basic fundamental rite or a prerequisite to be a Muslim. It is not just a mistake to deviate from their religion but, according to the religion you do not fulfill the basic requirement to be a Muslim. Therefore, every Muslim child is circumcised and there is nothing to be ashamed of in talking about it.

    So, out of all the Muslims, Talebans, who are known to be so rigid in implementing the religion could make such a basic mistake and deviate from their religion? It is considered as impossible to believe. Therefore, people raised their doubts that some impostors are out there to create a bad name for Talebans.

    I am not a Taleban supporter but, this is really unfair that in this so-called war of terror, dirty games are being played to run down the opponent also, petty tactics to kill innocent people by using Drones and then brag about it. If there is too much hue and cry from the public for killing innocent women, children etc., there is no apology but just a statement that the strike was made on the basis of intelligence reporting and it could be an error BUT there aren’t any apologies neither personal nor official.

    And how can a DRONE APOLOGIZE anyways?

  184. #184 by khansahab on March 13, 2009 - 2:18 PM

    Pak media: Zardari willing to compromise

    Amidst escalating political unrest in Pakistan, media reports in the country suggested that President Asif Ali Zardari has agreed in principal to remove the Punjab Governor. Sources close to TIMES NOW said that steps will also be taken to ensure that a PML(N) candidate becomes the Chief Minister of the Punjab Province.

    Media reports also went on to add that he has agreed to demands made by PML(N) Chief Nawaz Sharif.

    Zardari’s climbdown comes after receiving the ultimatum over the deadlock by PM Yousuf Raza Gilani and Army. The president was reportedly asked to go by the Army and the Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, if he does not accept a new deal hatched by them in consultation with foreign powers.

    The new political deal, backed by Washington, London and the Army establishment, has quietly been conveyed to Pakistan Prime Minister Gilani, to bring down the political temperature in Pakistan, said sources.

    Earlier, as part of the deal, added sources, the Prime Minister has been asked to immediately convince beleaguered President Zardari to demonstrate the flexibility required to break the present deadlock, before the ‘Long March’ could reach Islamabad.

    Meanwhile, media reports suggested that Gilani, who has been given 24 hours to convince the president, met Zardari, in an attempt to convince the latter into agreeing to the new political and constitutional arrangement, as further delay will not produce any positive results for the political forces currently on the warpath.

    Reports also suggested that Zardari met General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, where sources tell that the latter was urging the former to ease political tensions in the country.

    If Zardari does not accept the new deal then:

    * Army, foreign powers will be left with no option but to implement ‘minus-one formula’.

    * Presidents office will be completely marginalised, Zardari will be removed.

    * Gilani will take over as power will be restored to Prime Minister’s office.

    * Nawaz Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) will join the cabinet

    * Deposed Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikar Chaudhary will be reappointed.

    Terms of the deal are as follows:

    * Pakistan Prime Minister Gilani has been asked to convince Zardari to accept the new political and constitutional arrangement.

    * The deal also states the removal of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, who is an obstacle to good relations between the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the PML (Nawaz).

    * Implementation of the new Constitutional package through the Parliament.

    * The deal also demands the restoration of Supreme Court Justice Ifthikar Chaudhary.

    Since Wednesday (March 11), there have been a series of meetings that have shaped this deal.

    The Pakistan Army Chief met Prime Minister Gilani in Islamabad on March 11, where in the ninety minute meeting the former essentially told the latter to set the deal in motion. On Thursday (March 12), the US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne Patterson met the former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. The reason ostensibly was after Sharif alleged that there was a plot to assassinate him.

    Meanwhile, the Prime Minister has not met the President after he returned from his trip to Dubai. He has however been talking to the President over the phone. UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband also telephoned Zardari to discuss the present situation yesterday.

  185. #185 by khansahab on March 13, 2009 - 2:27 PM

    I remember how Punjab protested against Musharraf and now we saw the aftermath of the disqualification of the Sharif brothers and how the tens of thousands of people were protesting to get Shahbaz Sharif restored along with Justice Choudhary.

    My question is, why don’t Pakistanis ever protest like this to oppose the US drone attacks? The sheer numbers of protestors opened the eyes of USA and UK governments and they started contacting Gillani and Nawaz in efforts to diffuse the tension.

    Similarly, why haven’t the people protested like this against the extremists?

    This just shows that to Pakistanis, regional issues matter much more than national issues. The biggest problems are not which individual is exercising his will, be that Musharraf, Nawaz or Choudhary, the biggest problem is the terrorism and loss of innocent life which fosters terrorism.

  186. #186 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 13, 2009 - 2:51 PM

    khansahab – the irony is, whenever and whatever Punjab does, it is in the interest of Pakastan, whereas whenever any other province or the inhabitants of that province do or demand they are labeled as jingoists, separatists and not loyal to Pakastan.

    There is sufficient evidence that Nawaz Sharif and his party distributed pamphlets titled as “Jaag Punjabi Jaag” who is he waking up? His dead father from his grave? That SOB gives public speeches so full of hate against other ethnic minorities of Pakistan and against the inhabitants of other provinces and yet he claims to be “the leader” of Pakastan?

  187. #187 by khansahab on March 13, 2009 - 3:35 PM


    Zardari to lift Governor’s rule in Punjab: Pak media

    Rezaul H Laskar

    Islamabad, Mar 13 (PTI) Buckling under intense domestic and international pressure, Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari today decided to lift Governor’s rule in Punjab and allow the main opposition PML-N to form government in the politically-crucial province, local media reports said.

    This came after the beleaguered Zardari was put on notice by the US, which reportedly gave him a 24-hour ultimatum to ease the simmering political crisis in Pakistan amid speculation that a deal brokered by Washington and the UK in consultation with the Pakistan army had been conveyed to the government.

    After holding back-to-back meetings with Premier Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Zardari was ready “in principle” to end Governor’s Rule in Punjab, imposed on February 25 after the Supreme Court barred PML-N leaders Nawaz and Shahbaz Sharif from holding elected office, Dawn News channel quoted official sources as saying.

  188. #188 by khansahab on March 13, 2009 - 4:50 PM

    Following is an excerpt from Dawn:

    Heralded as a national long march for the restoration of the deposed judges, Thursday’s showing in Karachi and Quetta has cast doubts on the ‘national’ tag of the movement. In both provincial capitals no more than a few hundred lawyers gathered and support from the opposition parties was noticeably scarce. On the day, the largest gathering of protesters was in Lahore.…………

    This is exactly my point, the fight of the lawyers is not a national fight, and the fight of the Sharif brothers is not a national fight either. The media and the Sharif brothers need to stop terming it a “national” issue. When people say Nawaz Sharif is the most popular leader in Pakistan, it does not mean that the 4 provinces support him, it means that one province supports him which has more than half the country’s population.

    Most of the lawyers who protested in Quetta, Peshawar and Karachi on behalf of Choudhary were party members of PML N.

  189. #189 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 13, 2009 - 4:58 PM

    Most of the lawyers who protested in Quetta, Peshawar and Karachi on behalf of Choudhary where party members of PML N & PPP.

    khansahab Thanks for quoting this.

    Remember what Munir was talking about “funny journalism” upon your highlighting the text of that article from Moin Ansari? That is not funny journalism. This is funny journalism which you have highlighted from DAWN…. this is what exactly the media in Pakistan wants to show to the people that it is a NATIONAL LONG MARCH whereas it is only Nawaz Sharif and Badmash Tareen Brother’s call for Punjab and not for Pakistan.

  190. #190 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 13, 2009 - 8:25 PM

    Out of the ten most fiery spells by the fast bowlers in test cricket history, TWO such spells belong to Pakistan’s fast bowlers. Imran Khan and Shoaib Akhtar. There are other fast bowlers from West Indies, England, Australia and South Africa and not a single one from India. Here is a brief note on Imran and Akhtar’s bowling:

    Imran Khan v India, Karachi 1982-83

    On the morning of the second day of the Karachi Test, Imran woke up to a sharp pain in his shin, one that made fleeting reappearances as the Test progressed. Shrugging it off, Imran proceeded to produce one of the deadliest displays of swing bowling, taking 5 for 7 in India’s second innings. The dismissal of Gundappa Viswanath, where the ball swung in from outside off and took the middle stump – is part of Pakistani cricket folklore. India, well-placed at 100 for 1, chasing a deficit of 283, collapsed to 114 for 7 and Imran finished with 8 for 60. The battle with pain only brought out the hostility in the spell and Imran, in his book All Round View, wrote of how the setback infused a renewed sense of self-belief: “Little did I know that it [pain] would transform my career, my life and the shape of Pakistan cricket for the next two years.

    Shoaib Akhtar v Australia, Colombo, 2002-03

    An otherwise sleepy afternoon, on which Australia were threatening to bat the opposition out of the match, sprang to life when Shoaib got the ball to talk, sing and swerve, sending Australia crashing from 74 for 2 to a scarcely believable 127 all out. The illustrious names on the wickets list added lustre to Shoaib’s frightening spell, which yielded the small matter of five wickets for eight runs. Ricky Ponting chopped one onto his stumps, and Steve Waugh was trapped in front, while Adam Gilchrist and Mark Waugh had their stumps shattered with toe-crushing yorkers. Shoaib blew away three in the space of four balls, and in all probability ruined the match-report templates laid out by the press covering the game. Fierce as it was, his spell was not good enough to win Pakistan the game – they fell short by 41 runs.

  191. #191 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 14, 2009 - 3:23 AM


    SHERRY REHMAN RESIGNED…… it is confirmed but, the government has not yet accepted the resignation. This is a big blow to Zardari’s government. Sherry wants to say:


  192. #192 by Mohammed Munir on March 14, 2009 - 11:38 AM

    Khan Sahab @ Comment No. 196 …

    You have not given the source or the website of this interview of MQM Supremo Altaf Hussain.

    And from reading it, I can imagine as if this interview is conducted by you, is it right ?

  193. #193 by khansahab on March 14, 2009 - 3:10 PM

    Munir sahab

    I hope you trust this a credible source?

    I am not a supporter of this guy, and neither am I a supporter of any political party for that matter.

    I oppose those who think one rule can be applied to one ethnicity, but the same rule cannot be applied to a different ethnicity.

    Beyond that I don’t really know what your question is suggesting? I mean the one where you asked me if I would conduct this type of interview.

    I write with honesty and fairness and hence I don’t see a point of writing my sources, as if I am in some court and am presenting evidence to doubters to prove my point. I don’t deliberately hide my sources, but since I have a duty to ensure this blog is active and I am a busy person, I just copy and paste without feeling the need to also copy and paste the source. However, most of my sources are either Dawn or The News.

  194. #194 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 14, 2009 - 3:55 PM


    Munir by nature is very suspicious so he can’t help doubting you. 😀 I have also seen that interview on TV but, only in bits and bobs. I am not interested in that idiot, he is such a BULL and a verbose. And, if he is a leader then, why is he hiding in London and that under the protection of MI5 and Scotland Yard?

    Sherry Rahman is a sly fox she realized that Zardari is the weakling now and it is better to abandon the ship before it sinks. This is exactly what Chaudhary Aetzaz Ahson did when Bhutto was in jail, he left PPP and years later when PPP came into power after Zia‘s era he came back and asked for forgiveness. At that time, Nusrat Bhutto was so mad at him, she said: “Go and rub your nose on the grave of ZA Bhutto and ask for forgiveness.” But, it was Benazir who took him back in the party realizing that he is an educated person with political background. But, he is a backstabber and an opportunist.

    But, Zaradi is not an idiot, if he was he wouldn’t have come so far. He is a crook and he knows how to play his cards, so far he is giving up a few things to stay in power and he will keep on pulling strings on Nawaz Sharif and his brother. You’ll see.

    The Sharif Brothers are playing just one card with two faces. One, change the Governor rule in Punjab. Two, is to reinstate that Choora Chaudhary. They have fooled the masses by saying once these two things are done ALL the problems would be automatically solved. As if after that Pakistan will be a Paradise !

    They will come up with something else or do something else to destabilize the country. I think, the PPP government should make a public inquiry about the inability of the Punjab government in protecting the Sri Lankan Cricket Team. It is not a small thing that could be ignored. Internationally it has tarnished the image of Pakistan. Right now the country has gone to the dogs and what more can you expect from these crooks and from the illiterate masses? Jaisee Kernee Vaisee Bharnee

  195. #195 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 14, 2009 - 4:09 PM


    Did you see the 5th ODI @ Auckland? Out of the 5 ODI’s 4 were effected by rain and one was completely washed out. So, whats the point in hosting matches in NZ during this time of the year when it rains too much? Anyways…….

    Apart from SehWACK not a single Indian player played to their real potential. Rohit Sharma Ro, Ro ker khail reha thaa 43 in 72 balls….. two run outs ka Mujrim. 😀

    Jesse Ryder
    took 2 wickets in one over and changed the complexion of the game. Earlier he got Yuvraj and in the next over he clean bowled Dhoni and Yousuf Pathan. And the way he batted was excellent and truly deserved the MoM award. He tormented Ishant Sharma, when he hit the third six, Ishant got pissed off and said something to Ryder and there was an exchange of words and one could easily read Ishant’s lips saying…. F… Off… and then the players came in between the two to diffuse the situation. Eventually he got Ryder but then, Guptil and Taylor too picked him up and it was one of his worst nightmares 7.2 overs and one wicket for 63 runs out of which one was a maiden over. All in all Ishant Sharma was dispatched over the fence for 5 times and plenty of boundaries. It wasn’t his day. It wasn’t India’s day.

    There was a record crowd of 22,000 in the under-construction stadium at Auckland and to me it looked like 99% were Indians and they were in a very festive mood, singing, dancing, playing Indian music loudly and in the end they were cheering and supporting the home team NZ. Surprisingly they were there till the presentation and it proves two things: 1. Either they are very sporty and supportive of cricket. 2. They have nothing else to do in Auckland? 😀

  196. #196 by khansahab on March 14, 2009 - 4:11 PM

    Adamant Zaradri says restoration of deposed Chief Justice not possible

    Islamabad, Mar 14 (ANI): Addressing a high-level meeting at the presidency, President Asif Ali Zardari has described the lawyers Long March and sit-in as political moves and made it clear that political matters would be tackled politically, refusing to heed to the advice of Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani.

    The restoration of deposed CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry is not possible and he will not be restored in any case, he said.

    Prime Minister Gilani attended the meeting. Other participants of the meeting included chairman Senate Farooq H Naek, Interior Adviser Rehman Malik and Information Minister Sherry Rehman.

    The president said the government would not show any weaknesses in facing the political challenge. He also made it clear that the Governors rule in Punjab will not be lifted and Salman Taseer will not be replaced, The News reported.

    Ahead of this high-level meeting, US Ambassador Anne W Peterson held a meeting with Gilani at the PMs House and later met Zardari. Though no official word was available about these meetings, knowledgeable sources say some important decisions were taken to defuse the situation.

    A number of options were also discussed to bring down the rising political temperature in the country. According to sources, it was also agreed that after some initial steps, a constitutional package might be introduced in the Parliament in the form of 18th amendment, which might include steps to strike balance between the powers of the two highest offices.

    The Prime Minister briefed the President on his contacts with the Chaudhry brothers and reservations within the party. He urged the president to end governors rule and suggested that PPP and PML-N must resolve their differences for the good of the country.

  197. #197 by khansahab on March 14, 2009 - 4:13 PM

    Pakistan cannot afford politics of confrontation: Altaf

    Source: The News

    Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) chief Altaf Hussain has called upon leaders of all political parties and lawyers to shun confrontational politics, as they were neither in the interest of the country’s stability nor the future of democracy in Pakistan.

    In a statement issued from London, Hussain compassionately appealed to President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif, PML-N President Shahbaz Sharif, leaders of other political parties, Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) President Ali Ahmed Kurd to abandon the path of confrontation and pursue the route of negotiated peaceful settlement. He emphasised the need to end governor’s rule in Punjab through dialogue and mutual understanding.

    “I appeal to all leaders to refrain from confrontational politics, and keep the option of negotiations open so that a settlement can be reached on the basis of logic and rationale,” he said.

    Hussain said that under the current circumstances, Pakistan cannot afford the politics of confrontation. He said that the situation demanded that all decisions were made in the interest of the country, and all forces rose above personal and political interests for the continuation of the democratic process continued.

    He stressed that within the parameters of the constitution, a settlement for the independence of the judiciary and reinstatement of the deposed judges could be reached. He also pointed out that the honourable leaders should bear in mind that the armed forces and security agencies are not only already heavily engaged in restive areas and borders of the country, but are laying down their lives in defending it. Therefore, it would not be in the interest of the country to engage them in political turmoil.

  198. #198 by khansahab on March 14, 2009 - 4:49 PM

    Lawyers’ Long March is the Long March of PML-N:Advocate Fazal Qadir Memon

    Source: The Regional Times, Sindh.

    HYDERABAD: Member Sindh Bar Council, Advocate, Fazal Qadir Memon and few lawyers of Hyderabad including Tanweer Ahmed, Haji Abdul Karim, Ali Ahmed Brohi and Mazhar Hussain and other members of Hyderabad District Bar Association claimed that majority of lawyers from Hyderabad would not attend the long march of lawyers.
    Addressing a news conference at the Hyderabad Press Club on Wednesday Advocate, Fazal Qadir Memon declared sit-in and long march of lawyers as long march of PML-N. He condemned the meetings of lawyer leaders Aitzaz Ahsan and Ali Ahmed Kurd at Raiwind with Nawaz Sharif.
    They alleged that Nawaz Sharif had in past attacked the Supreme Court and had made judges hostage. They said now he is using his resources against the present democratic government. He said they were also followers of Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry but when the movement becomes hostage to political parties the country would suffer.
    He was of the opinion that Sharif brothers should have made review appeal against the Supreme Court verdict instead of taking people to streets.

  199. #199 by M. Y.. Kasim on March 14, 2009 - 9:28 PM

    Altaf Hussain has always been behind one kind of trouble or other. Now, he is trying to act like an elder statesman and issuing statment after staements advising others how to behave!!

    Times have really changed.

  200. #200 by khansahab on March 15, 2009 - 12:22 AM

    Farzana accuses Nawaz of fanning provincialism

    Source: The Daily Times, Lahore.

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif is fanning provincialism in the country and only the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) is an insignia of federation, Benazir Income Support Programme Chairwoman Farzana Raja said on Saturday.

    Talking to reporters, she said former Punjab chief minister Shahbaz Sharif had started Rs 2 roti scheme in the Punjab only, which showed that the PML-N did not believe in the welfare of other provinces. Farzana claimed that the PPP was the largest political force in the Punjab, adding that the government was working for the development of the whole country.

    She said in his public gatherings and rallies Nawaz always talked about Benazir Bhutto’s vision, adding that he had got no vision of his own. She advised Nawaz Sharif to join the PPP if it had inspired him to that extent.

    She said the way PML-N was pushing police not to obey the government showed clearly that they wanted their favourite judiciary in the country.

    The BISP chairwoman said the PML-N had announced to lead the long march in the wake of the Supreme Court’s verdict regarding their disqualification, which highlighted their personal agenda.

    Protests: Farzana said protests were a democratic right of the people, adding that the government would not allow anyone to challenge its writ.

    She said the PPP was an ideological party and its workers had always sacrificed for the country, adding that whether it was the restoration of judiciary or freedom of expression they had shed their blood. Under the guidance of President Asif Zardari, the PPP was more united than ever, Farzana said.

  201. #201 by khansahab on March 15, 2009 - 12:25 AM

    Malir Bar rejects lawyers’ long march

    Source: The News International, Pakistan

    An eight-member delegation of Malir District Bar Association, led by its president Ghulam Nabi Sheikh, met with Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah, and announced that they would not take part in the lawyers’ long march, and would distance themselves from any movement which destabilises the government or damage democracy.

    The chief minister was informed that there were 300 members of the bar, including 40 female lawyers, whose aim was to provide justice to residents of Malir. The delegation also passed a resolution which stated that the lawyers’ movement was based on “political hypocrisy”, and was aimed at destabilising the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP)-led government.

    Shah has said that “an organised conspiracy” had been hatched by certain elements against the democratic government. He said that Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Mian Nawaz Sharif and deposed Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry had the same agenda, and were allegedly misleading people in the name of democracy and constitution. He said that both men had hatched a conspiracy, which had been rejected by the masses. He said that Sharif was promoting provincialism and hatred by raising slogans of Punjab, which was also a conspiracy against the unity of the country. The CM announced setting up a library for the Malir bar.

  202. #202 by khansahab on March 15, 2009 - 12:31 AM

    27 MPAs form forward block in PMLN to oppose Sharifs

    Source: Associated Press of Pakistan

    LAHORE, March 5 (APP): Forward block was formed in PML‑N with the support of 27 Members of Provincial Assembly (MPAs) including 10 female and 17 male members.

    Laila Muqdas, MPA from Hafizabad disclosed this while addressing a press conference here at Lahore Press Club on Thursday.

    PPP Punjab President Rana Aftab Ahmed Khan and MPA Qasim Zia, PML‑N Gujranwala divisional President Ch.Khyzar Hayat Mangat and number of other important personalities were also present.

    “ Forward block is constituted due to Sharif Brothers undemocratic and dictatorial attitude within the party and their efforts to promote provincialism after losing the government in Punjab”, the MPA said.

    She said she believe in politics of principles and cannot listen to any word against Pakistan as a patriot citizen.

    She and other MPAs decided to form forward block after they listened the views of Sharif brothers against nationalism.

    Many MPAs were already unhappy with the insultive attitude of Sharif brothers, Laila added.

    Members of PML‑N forward block were interested to come in today’s press conference but we decided to bring them in forefront within a week, she said.

    Ch.Khyzer Hayat Mangat said that he has resigned as Divisional President PML‑N and as member of the party after looking into the difference between politics of President Zardari and Sharif brothers.

    Zardari raised slogan of ‘Pakistan Khapy (Flourish Pakistan)’ at a time when he lost his leader and life‑partner Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto while Mian brothers launched campaign of civil disobedience and provincialism just because the apex court had disqualified them.

    He said that Mian brothers pressurized him and his MPA daughter Laila Muqadas and also tried to offer them financial incentives but they refused to bow before the pressure as they are committed nationalist and want to see country keeping on progress under the leadership who believe in nationalism and not in provincialism.

    To a question Qasim Zia and Rana Aftab said that they played no role in promoting forward block in PML‑N but the PML‑N party itself is going to split due to negative and anti‑Pakistan agenda of Sharif brothers.

  203. #203 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 15, 2009 - 5:41 AM


    NAWAZ SHARIF placed under house arrest……

    Pakistani opposition leader Nawaz Sharif has been placed under house arrest, his party officials have said………. read more, click on the link ……….BBC.

  204. #204 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 15, 2009 - 6:03 AM

    The following is a copy paste from Ahmed Quraishi’s website: It is a bit long, but worth reading about Pak Politics, how the army feels about who should be responsible for the current chaos in the country?

    The ‘Wrong’ March: Why The Pakistani Military Won’t Intervene

    Saturday, 14 March 2009.

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—
    The Pakistani military will not intervene to protect President Asif Ali Zardari or his nemesis Nawaz Sharif. Although firmly opposed to intervention as per the wishes of Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the Pakistani military is nonetheless exploring all options to deal with the looming specter of a total collapse of government leading to anarchy across the country.

    There is a common feeling in military circles that Pakistan’s elite political class should bear the responsibility for its decisions. The full range of the public administration abilities of these politicians, many of whom have been elected more than twice and thrice, are exposed as sharply lacking. The political class consists of people who are recycled, tried, tested and failed.

    But the ineptitude of Pakistani politicians has entered a dangerous phase now. The new threat includes creating an ethnic confrontation between two provinces, Sindh and Punjab, which could result from the aggressive drive by Mr. Nawaz Sharif to dislodge the Zardari government.

    This time Pakistanis are seeing a breathtaking failure and irresponsible behavior across the board.


    The incompetence of President Zardari is evident in the manner in which he deliberately pushed all his political enemies to align themselves against him simultaneously. The support for Mr. Zardari’s government from the United States and the United Kingdom is a matter of deep concern for many Pakistanis.

    These Pakistanis feel that Mr. Zardari’s government is a vehicle for Washington and London to contain Pakistan’s military, intelligence agencies and its nuclear and advanced missile programs. They cite the examples of the behavior of this government in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks, the attempts to sideline and dismantle ISI, and the acceptance of U.S. military’s aerial and ground border violations. In this sense, Mr. Zardari has few friends within the Pakistani public opinion. His ouster is the demand of most Pakistani nationalists.

    But Mr. Nawaz Sharif’s role is no less deceptive and destructive than that of Mr. Zardari’s. The former premier, who is denouncing Mr. Zardari today, played the most important role in helping Mr. Zardari become President. Nawaz Sharif helped Zardari come to power. It is hypocritical for Mr. Sharif now to condemn NRO (the law that Musharraf promulgated on Anglo-American desire to facilitate the return of the Bhutto-Zardari combine back to power) when his own political career is at stake. Nawaz Sharif’s recent outbursts are not principled politics but revenge. The sorry part is that the lawyers and the media have failed to put this opportunism by Mr. Sharif on the spotlight.

    Mr. Sharif has also declared ‘rebellion’ against the State and has encouraged policemen and government officials to declare mutiny. This is the most dangerous aspect of this crisis. The fact that Pakistani television commentators have almost ignored this dangerous call is surprising. For those Pakistanis who had condemned, in 2005, the rebellion against the State by politician-turned-terrorist Akbar Bugti, Mr. Sharif’s statements came as a shock. It is possible that in the near future, Bugti-wannabes will quote Sharif’s example to justify such rebellions. Their argument will be, ‘You ignore the calls for rebellion from Punjab politicians but condemn those from smaller provinces.’

    Another alarming development was how Mr. Sharif resorted to portray his issues with Mr. Zardari as a battle between the entire Punjab province and a President from Sindh.

    This use of the so-called ‘Punjab card’ by the Sharif brothers sets a dangerous precedent. Pakistan’s security managers must stay alert to the possibility of trouble in Sindh if the Zardari government falls. There are indications that subversive elements will stoke trouble by suggesting that Mr. Zardari’s government crumbled due to a mutiny led by Punjab.

    This is why it is important that Mr. Nawaz Sharif does not emerge from this crisis with more political influence than what he had before the crisis. Pakistanis are right in wanting Mr. Zardari and his team out, but the Sharif brothers are not the right replacement. This is also why it is important to heed the advice of Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain of the PML-Q. Shujaat has proposed a three-party coalition government in Punjab, where Mr. Sharif will have to share power with both PPPP and PML-Q.

    It was surprising to see some Pakistani commentators describe the panicked American and British diplomatic moves to save the Zardari government as ‘good this time’ because, in the words of these commentators, the two countries were trying to stabilize Pakistan and save democracy.

    The reality comes with a twist. Such naïveté on the part of some Pakistanis is unfortunate and shows the extent to which Pakistan stands confused and disturbed thanks to the constant barrage of Anglo-American psychological operations, missile attacks, and covert insurgencies being waged against this country by the powers that occupy Afghanistan.

    The fact is that Washington and London moved swiftly to save the Zardari government regardless of whether they like Mr. Zardari or not. This is a government in which Washington had made huge investment. It is part of a ‘deal’ linked to the Anglo-American interests in the region.

    It is incorrect that Washington ‘does not trust’ President Zardari, as some Pakistani commentators have been saying recently. The Americans accepted Benazir Bhutto after a long neglect when they felt they needed to counterbalance the Pakistani military and Musharraf, whom America and Britain did not trust.

    President Zardari is as acceptable to Washington and London as Benazir Bhutto was when the ‘deal’ was brokered by the two capitals to force a beleaguered Musharraf to share power with someone the Anglo-Americans could trust.

    The real problem this time was that President Zardari made an unnecessary move that threatened this government and made the military takeover look good to many Pakistanis. The Americans need this democracy so that they can use its players to counterbalance the Pakistani military in Afghanistan and Kashmir. They know it is easy to meddle in Pakistan. They know that Pakistani politicians are characterless, corrupt and easily buyable through money and power. There are no political parties in Pakistan, only political families with their own interests. It is easy for foreign powers to manipulate these players for their interests.

    So U.S. and U.K. intervened to save ‘democracy’ and avert the scary possibility of the Anglo-Americans having to deal with the Pakistani military in the driving seat again.


    Despite the good intentioned statements to the contrary, the lawyers’ movement has become thoroughly politicized by now. Pakistanis have noticed how Mr. Nawaz Sharif, a political partisan with his own agenda, has become the face of the movement and its official spokesperson.

    In 2007, wily politicians too scared to directly confront the military government sheepishly hid behind the lawyers’ movement and used it to topple the military government.

    In 2008, the politicians ditched the lawyers and refused to boycott elections under a military ruler.

    In 2009, one politician, Nawaz Sharif, is using the lawyers to topple another politician, Asif Zardari.

    Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan played a key role in turning the movement into a tool for ambitious politicians. Chaudhry Iftikhar, the deposed chief justice, would have done a great service by decisively shunning this overt politicization. But even he, after being released from house arrest in March 2008, dashed straight to the residence of Asif Zardari, not a president then but the leader of the party in government, to thank him for releasing him. When Zardari shunned him, Iftikhar is now basking in the glory of Mr. Sharif.

    Mr. Sharif is no innocent political player and the message of change that the lawyers’ movement is promoting cannot happen with Mr. Sharif at the helm.

    The question is: Have the two Chaudhrys – Iftikhar and Aitzaz – irreparably politicized the noble cause of an independent judiciary? If he is restored, will Chaudhry Iftikhar be in a position to fairly deal with Mr. Sharif and the other political players in the country?

    Then there is also this: Pakistan does need an independent judiciary. But this should come as part of wider changes in the entire political system that is falling apart. Merely reinstating a few judges, who are also now politicized, will never solve the problem for good.


    The media in Pakistan has also gone berserk, becoming political partisan under the pretext of siding with truth. First its hype helped these failed politicians come to power. The media failed to help the Pakistani public opinion ask questions about the past record of these politicians before electing them. During the run-up to the 2008 elections, the media suppressed any criticism of these politicians under the pretext of fighting dictatorship. And today when these politicians have plunged the nation into another unnecessary confrontation because of their lust for power, the media has readily become a tool in this fight, siding with one party against another. Until now, there is no regulation whatsoever of this important medium of influence. Other countries have sophisticated media management systems that wage diplomatic and military wars. In Pakistan, this important pillar of national security is running amok.


    If democracy could turn into horror, it just did in Pakistan. Politicians and partisan activists posing as civil society have just turned Pakistan into the butt of global jokes: a nation with vast economic, geographic, cultural and military potential that is unable to produce a mature, educated leadership.

    This internal chaos is excellent fodder for the propaganda that strong lobbies in the United States have been engaging in against Pakistan over the past two years, trying to convince the world that Pakistan is a dangerous country that desperately needs U.S. military intervention and containment of its nuclear and strategic programs.

    The worst part is that even if the judges are restored and Mr. Nawaz Sharif’s government in Punjab is reinstated, this failed political system in Pakistan will keep generating artificial tensions and crises linked to dogfights among politicians over booty. Pakistan is ripe for a major overhaul in its political structure and foreign policy. Sooner or later, the ball will fall in the military’s court. When that happens, the military better be ready with creative solutions because old-style coups won’t work this time.

  205. #205 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 15, 2009 - 6:15 AM

    Normally I don’t agree with whatever Ahmed Quraishi says or write, but this is a very balanced view that he has presented in this article and it couldn’t have been expressed better with all the facts.

    Now that Nawaz Sharif is placed under house arrest and Imran Khan has gone into hiding only to reappear in Islamabad on the D-Day and so many more arrests of political leaders under process the so-called Tahreek is going to get ugly and unruly. More civil disobedience to follow and whether Imran Khan will reappear or will be picked up? This has to be seen in the next two days.

    The point Mr. Quraishi has raised that for the last 3 years every single political party is using the lawyers to make their move or their movement successful. The reason is they are not only using the lawyers and judiciary to their advantage but it is so easy to convince the illiterate and semi-educated masses that when they see the most judicious and knowledgeable people or the elite of Pakistan’s scholars comprising of Judges and lawyers are out on the street and demanding something then, it must be the right thing. So, they just join the party and it is so naive of them to do this, but it is even more sinister and sinful to use them by these crooks.

    The way Zardari is adamant up till now i.e., in not reinstating the former CJ Chaudhary Iktekhar it is very unlikely that he will change his mind. From the news it appears that Sherry Rahman is still attending not only the party meetings but also her official meetings, so what happened to all that drama of her resignation? And, Yousuf Raza Gillani has shown his weakness as a PM as well as his loyalties to the party and the President. I doubt if he will continue to maintain his position and his post. Sooner or later, he will be shown the door and I won’t be surprised. Let us see, OOOnt kis Kurvat baith tha hai?

  206. #206 by Mohammed Munir on March 15, 2009 - 8:13 AM

    Khan Sabah …

    I never doubted you and I can not do that ever.

    May be I was a bit forthright with my above comment, but my intention was never skepticism, you completely misunderstood me.

    So often we see many articles on LS along with their sources and websites, so I guess it was not something very odd which I wanted to know. Secondly, for someone living in UK, it is not a crime or totally impossible to meet or interview Altaf Hussain.

    Why I asked about that article was because the interviewer was giving a first-person account of the discussion and there was no mention of any ‘source’ or even name of the writer/ interviewer, so I made that wrong assumption.

    Anyways, I am sorry to have offended you in any way.

    Coming back to the interview, Altaf Hussain was trying to take away full credit from Mustafa Kamal for any good work done by him. Plus he was also humiliating and demeaning Mayor of Karachi by openly saying that he bought him suits and that he comes to Dr. Altaf Hussain for any advice even when his mother is sick or for any other family problems. What a shame, even if all this have any truth, such talk should have been avoided.

    Further, Altaf Hussain said, “They (Pakistani Politian/ rich classes) will survive because they have made their alternate arrangements. The 98 per cent of the poor people will be destroyed”.

    Now how ironic is that, that a person who is living in UK and never comes to Pakistan for obvious reasons, points on other’s ‘alternate arrangements’.

    But all said and done, I really appreciate this new policy of MQM as they were ‘friends’ with Pervez Musharraf to be part of his Government, then they changed sides and became ‘friends’ with Zardari and they are again in Government and now they are also keeping their options open with ANP and even MLN. This, I believe, is a positive opportunist politics of Pakistan.

  207. #207 by khansahab on March 15, 2009 - 10:01 AM

    Munir sahab

    I am sorry to have misunderstood you. I live about 200 miles away from Altaf Hussein and have no intention or desire to see his face. So chances of me meeting him ever are pretty slim!

    I agree regarding MQM and what they are doing. In fact last night my family had guests and Altaf Hussein’s views on Kamal were discussed. However, again we can apply the same rule to other parties. PML N and PPP have been sour with each other yet they came together to oust Musharraf. Imran Khan always had a one-point agenda regarding corruption but he now has joined forces with Nawaz Sharif.

    Politics is about compromise, because people who don’t compromise are dictators. So you can call it compromise, or opportunism. And I have always said that our political parties don’t really represent what democracy is about because they themselves are not democratic. We have these false labels attached to parties and individuals and the narrow visioned public relies on that and votes and protests on the basis of that.

  208. #208 by khansahab on March 15, 2009 - 8:24 PM

    Lahore gives overwhelming response to lawyers’ call

    Source: South Asian News Agency

    LAHORE (SANA) Thousands came out on roads to join the lawyers’ long march for the reinstatement of all the deposed judges sacked in 2007.

    According to media reports, people of Lahore welcomed the call of Long March and overwhelmingly poured on streets defying all the barriers and containers placed overnight by the police on almost all the major arteries of the city to restrict the protesters from commencing the rallies.

    Provincial government had also announced to celebrate “Basant” throughout the province on the dates coinciding with those scheduled for the march, apparently aimed to distract people’s attention from the protest movement. However, the call went in vain as Lahore cheered the marchers and echoed with anti-government slogans instead of “Bo Kata”, the traditional Basant’s catchword.

    A mass rally is presently marching on the roads of outskirts of provincial metropolis in the leadership of former Prime Minister and chief of Pakistan Muslim League Mian Nawaz Sharif. It is speculated that Nawaz will address the protesters at some point and will formally announce to commence the march towards Islamabad.

    Meanwhile, the central rally of Long March has left the premises of Lahore High Court and now has started its journey towards Islamabad where the organizers have announced to stage sit-in till the restoration of all the deposed judges, including Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry who was sacked by former military ruler General (Retd) Pervez Musharraf two years ago.

    Former presidents of Supreme Court Bar Association Aitzaz Ahsan and Justice (Retd) Tariq Mehmood are leading the rally along with Naib Amir Jamaat-e-Islami Liaquat Baloch and other political figures.

    Thousands of activists of Jamaat-e-Islami, PML-N, Tehreek-e-Insaf and other opposition parties are present in the two rallies besides lawyers, civil society activists and common folks who came on streets to greet the participants of Long March.

    It is likely that the two rallies will intermingle when the marchers would reach in the outskirts of Lahore. It was said that the rally would take G.T. Road for its journey to Islamabad.

    Surprisingly, police and other law enforcement agencies’ personnel who had completely sealed the city on Saturday night and was severally torturing, firing tear gas and detaining political activists and lawyers in the city till noon today are now offering no resistance to the Long March.

    Earlier, Nawaz Sharif on Sunday noon began to lead a big procession march from his residence in Lahore defying the detention order from the government.

    While addressing his supporters in Lahore, Sharif demanded removal of barriers on the way to Islamabad and warned that the party workers will remove them.

    Sharif said that police can not suppress the spirit behind the movement which they have launched for independence of judiciary.

    Sharif refused to abide by the detention order conveyed to him by the local administration.

    On the other hand police clashed with the protesters in the metropolis on Sunday. It fired tear-gas shell to disperse the protesters, while the protesters threw stones to police in Lahore, the PML-N’s power center.

  209. #209 by khansahab on March 15, 2009 - 8:38 PM

    The following is an article by the National Post, a Canadian newspaper. I was impressed by its impartiality:

    Nawaz Sharif: Pakistan’s comeback king

    LAHORE, Pakistan — Nawaz Sharif, Pakistan’s opposition leader put under house arrest Sunday, has emerged from the political wilderness and a criminal record to become the country’s most popular figurehead.

    A two-times premier who slunk off to Saudi Arabia disgraced by hijacking and corruption convictions, 59-year-old Mr. Sharif has silenced his critics and outwitted two governments in the 18 months since coming home from exile.

    Bitterly opposed to ex-military ruler Pervez Musharraf, who ousted him from power in 1999, and determined to reinstate 60 judges Mr. Musharraf sacked, Mr. Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League-N (PML-N) came a close second in 2008 elections.

    Putting aside decades of enmity, he joined the government formed by a Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) still reeling from the assassination of its leader Benazir Bhutto in December 2007, and demanded the judges be restored.

    But PPP and President Asif Ali Zardari, Ms. Bhutto’s widower, did not live up to their promises to reinstate the judges and Mr. Sharif walked out of the coalition last August.

    The latest crisis to hit Pakistan came about when the Supreme Court on February 25 disqualified Mr. Sharif and his brother Shahbaz from contesting elections and holding public office.

    Tapping into broad public dislike for Mr. Zardari and disappointment with a government unable to rescue the economy and stop Islamist violence, Mr. Sharif stepped into the vacuum for a charismatic leader created by Ms. Bhutto’s death.

    “Come and join me, I am leaving the house. The time has come to march hand in hand,” Mr. Sharif said, defying orders for his house arrest.

    “Sharif has benefitted enormously from the blunders of Zardari,” said political and defence analyst Talat Masood.

    “People appreciate the level of commitment he is showing to his principles. He is on a higher moral plateau. Sharif had problems in the past but one can say he is clearly a top leader and the most popular today,” he said.

    Born in 1949 the son of an industrialist with a fortune in steel, sugar and paper, Mr. Sharif went into politics when military dictator Zia ul-Haq made him one of the youngest finance ministers in Punjab province in 1981.

    In 1990, he was elected prime minister after Ms. Bhutto’s first term, until he was sacked three years later on corruption charges.
    It was a turning point in Mr. Sharif’s career and he launched a scathing attack on then-president Ghulam Ishaq Khan, his former mentor and a top representative of the military-led establishment.

    But Mr. Sharif was back in power again in 1996 after Ms. Bhutto’s second government was dismissed on corruption charges.

    In 1997, he won a massive two-thirds majority in elections, emboldening him to take on the army, which ironically propelled him to power in the first place and has ruled Pakistan for more than half its nearly 62 years of existence.

    Mr. Sharif capitalised on his position, working to become Pakistan’s most powerful premier in history by reversing a constitutional amendment to remove the president’s powers to dismiss the prime minister.
    But he fell out spectacularly with the chief justice, whom he believed — like Mr. Musharraf came to believe later — was putting curbs on his ambitions.

    In the West, fears were raised over his efforts to introduce Islamic Sharia law, with himself as the “commander of the faithful.”
    In 1998, Mr. Sharif made perhaps his most fatal mistake, in appointing Mr. Musharraf army chief of staff, but relations between the two soured over a skirmish with nuclear-armed rival India in the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir.

    Suspecting Mr. Musharraf was plotting his overthrow, Mr. Sharif tried to sack the army leader while he was mid-flight from Sri Lanka.
    The army moved swiftly, ending Mr. Sharif’s rule in a bloodless coup, bringing the general safely back to Pakistan and installing him as the chief executive.

    When Mr. Musharraf had Mr. Sharif and his brother Shahbaz tried on charges of hijacking, terrorism and attempted murder, it seemed the end of his career.

    Nawaz was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.

    But in December 2000, Mr. Sharif and 19 members of his extended family left Pakistan quietly for Saudi Arabia, with Mr. Musharraf announcing at the time that they would stay out of the country for 10 years.

    It was only in November 2007, after one failed attempt, that he returned to his power base in the eastern city of Lahore.

  210. #210 by khansahab on March 15, 2009 - 8:45 PM

    Bravo MQM…….I salute them for taking a stand against the regional hatred being propagated by the uncouth PML N thugs. I have read 5 articles now that describe the kind of language PML N workers have been using against Sindhis and Muhajirs in Punjab.

    MQM urges govt to take notice of anti-Sindh slogans

    Source: Geo News

    LONDON: The Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Rabita Committee has said that Sindh government should take notice of the anti-Sindh slogans.

    The Rabita Committee has threatened to part ways with the government if it doesn’t take any notice within next 48 hours. This decision was taken by the Rabita Committee at a joint meeting in London and Pakistan.

    The committee has sent the decision to its chief Altaf Hussain for the approval.

  211. #211 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 15, 2009 - 9:39 PM

    Three and a half men hosting Pakistan as a hostage. They are Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif and the half a man deposed CJ Ikhtekhar Chaudhary. Right now the meetings are taking place to reinstate the half man to be known as an adult. It is very likely that he would be reinstated. And the Governor rule in Punjab will also be removed. According to Nawaz Sharif if these two things are solved, there is no problem. It means Pakistan will be a Heaven and all the moulvis would be having fun with 70 Hoors each. Pakistan Pay-in-do-Bad.

  212. #212 by khansahab on March 15, 2009 - 11:52 PM

    According to Hindustantimes, PM Gillani is expected to announce the restoration of Choudhary as the CJ of Pakistan, tomorrow.

  213. #213 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 16, 2009 - 2:44 AM

    It is already announced.

    Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry restored as Chief Justice of Pakistan
    Updated at: 0550 PST, Monday, March 16, 2009

    ISLAMABAD: In a historic address to the nation, Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani announced on Monday to restore the deposed Chief Justice of Pakistan, Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.

    The prime minister also pledged that the government would steer the country out of the numerous domestic and international challenges facing it. The prime minister said that after consultations with all political forces of the country and President Asif Ali Zardari, the government has decided to restore all deposed judges including Justice Iftikahr Muhammad Chaudhry as Chief Justice of Pakistan who will assume charge on March 21. The current Chef Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar retires on March 21.

    “I announce today that Iftikhar Chaudhry and all other deposed judges will be reinstated from March 21,” he said in his televised address to the nation.

    The current supreme court chief justice will retire on that date, allowing Chaudhry to take over, the premier said. He said that a notification for the reinstatement of the deposed chief justice would also be issued. The prime minister urged all the political forces and lawyers to work for the solidarity and welfare of the country.

    Gilani said the country is standing at a critical moment. He said that no country could make progress without political tolerance and co-existence.

    Speaking about the struggle for the independence of judiciary, the PM said that the lawyers and the PPP had been together for the cause of justice and democracy.

    He said that Shaheed Mohtrama Benazir Bhutto actively participated in the lawyers struggle for the restoration of deposed judges. “Benazir Bhutto wanted free judiciary and supremacy of the constitution and she had promised for his restoration. PPP respects the educated segment of the society”, Gilani added.

    Gilani said the federal government would file a review petition against the disqualification of the Sharif brothers. “I invite Sharif brothers to come forward to work together in the light of the Charter of democracy”.

    That is why I wrote in my previous comment, Pakistan Pay-in-do-Bad.

  214. #214 by khansahab on March 16, 2009 - 12:13 PM


    A corrupt, uncouth and racially biased Chief Justice has been restored.

    This man does not deserve the post!


  215. #215 by khansahab on March 16, 2009 - 12:38 PM

    Just read that Urooj Mumtaz, the Pakastan women’s team captain, is a dentist from Karachi!

  216. #216 by khansahab on March 16, 2009 - 1:02 PM

    I guess the writing was on the wall. The situation in Pakastan was so abhorrent that either the Army would have had to intervene or Zardari would have had to restore the CJ.

    Musharraf should say goodbye to his political ambitions, and MQM should now be braced for some isolation. That is because the CJ will come after Musharraf and fulfill Nawaz Sharif’s wishes.

    However, it is considered the Army will not tolerate a former General being humiliated in any way. My guess is if Choudhary passes a sentence incriminating Musharraf, he will be threatened by the Army.

    LOL, people say Musharraf being an Army General should not have had any political ambitions, but the same goes for the judiciary. They are equally not meant to have anything to do with politics and they can’t be considered political figures. Not only does our CJ have political ambitions himself (the government was discussing making him the Law Minister to shut him up), he is also dancing to the tune of a politician.

  217. #217 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 16, 2009 - 1:53 PM

    khansahab, you are right, CJC better not touch Musharraf it would be like throwing a stone in the beehive. And for those blind people who think that Army’s place is in the barracks or on the border should also know that, the Judges place is in the courtroom and they should stay there and not hang around on the streets instigating the poor, illiterate and semi-educated masses to protest against the government and break the law. They are supposed to abide by the law and not break the law.

    Unfortunately, no one will dig out the old files of one sided cases where CJC had accepted bribe and passed verdict in favour of those who bribed him and there is not just one but numerous cases. No one will bring the subject of how he got his son from the backdoor using his influence as CJ of Supreme Court of Pakistan. No one will expose him for the misappropriate use of authority while he was the CJ.

  218. #218 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 16, 2009 - 2:01 PM

    “Not only does our CJ have political ambitions himself (the government was discussing making him the Law Minister to shut him up), he is also dancing to the tune of a politician.” khansahab

    The politician is = Jamhooriyat ka Alambardar (the torch bearer or flag raiser)

    The CJ = Jamhoora (the tamed animal, the one who dances at the tune of the dugg-duggi {that hand held mini dhole which is used by street performers to make the animal dance} and when he is told, Naach Jamhooray Naach.……. just like Naach Punjaban Naach) Nuch da.

  219. #219 by khansahab on March 16, 2009 - 7:45 PM

    My humble plea to General Kayani:


    Please overthrow PPP’s current government.

    Please arrest the top leaders of PPP, PML N and MQM and try them for terrorism, murder, corruption, torture, abuse of human rights and high treason. An example should be set for future generations.

    Please dismiss the CJ and try him for corruption, conduct unbecoming and high treason.

    Please implement a system of governance where a civilan government governs alongside a military system, where the military checks the work of the civilian government to ensure there is no corruption. The Army has tradionally been less corrupt than the civilian governments, so we can afford to leave the reins of the country in the Army’s hands; the situation cannot be much worse than it is now where Nawaz and Zardari are destabilising the country.

    Please appoint an “Executive Strategy Unit” which features 10 specialist advisers who are comprised of:

    5 Punjabis
    2 Pathans
    2 Sindhis
    1 Baluchi

    This specialist team should be a combination of members from the military and civil society and their job should be to oversee the functions of all other departments, in overview. Particularly on issues of security and national interest– they must intervene and their decisions should be reached by 7 out of 10 advisers agreeing. This will give a tactical advantage to the Punjab because of the natural majority, however it will also keep minorities satisfied because now almost 2/3rds of members need to agree to reach a decision.

    If this Unit cannot make a decision successfully because of inability to reach the requisite numbers, they should leave that issue to be decided by Parliament or the PM’s Cabinet, whoever the government sees fit. The members in this Unit must all be degree holders without any political affiliation (non-partisan) or criminal record.

    I think the above proposal will serve the country better than anything else that we have seen so far. I am not saying the sovereignty of Parliament should be undermined, but that the Executive Unit should review proposals before they get to Parliament.

  220. #220 by Mohammed Munir on March 17, 2009 - 4:45 AM

    In continuation of comment No. 244 …

    Sir, Mr. Kiyani, while we are on it …

    Please also reinstate Mr. Pervez Musharraf as President, Chief Executive, General and COAS (in short as defacto owner) of Pakistan … Aameen, Summa Aameen !! 😆

  221. #221 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 8:49 AM

    20,000 lawyers did not participate in Long March: Ayaz Soomro

    By GR Gorar &
    Abdul Ghaffar Khoso

    Source: The Regional Times, Sindh

    LARKANA: The Provincial Minister for Law and President of District Bar Association Larkana Muhammad Ayaz Soomro while addressing District Bar Association on Sunday said that few anti-democratic elements have become active in the country. He added that few narrow minded politicians and lawyers are protesting only for one person instead of helping government to resolve the problems being faced by the people. The Minister further said that the lawyers’ movement is a conspiracy against the democratic government but no one will be allowed to violate the law and order situation in the country. Mr Ayaz Soomro said that there are about 20 thousand advocates in Sindh Bar Council, who have not participated in long march. The judiciary is fully independent in Pakistan and majority of the judges have been reinstated. The democratic government is fully aware of its responsibilities and it is taking steps for the welfare of the masses. The government believes in reconciliation and it has never taken any step even against those people who provoked people for civil disobedience. He urged upon all the political forces to be united for the development of the country and to avoid hatching conspiracies against the democratic government. On the occasion, Advocate Abdul Hamid Bhurgari, Taluka Nazim Yasir Junejo, Saleem Ahmed Soomro, Abdul Ghani Jatoi and others were also present.

  222. #222 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 8:58 AM


    Following is the full text of the Resolution adopted by the Sindh Assembly on 11 March 2009.

    Source: The News

    ”Whereas the global economic meltdown has adversely affected the economy of Pakistan, the present elected government, under the able leadership of Asif Ali Zardari, the President, voted unanimously by this House, is making all-out efforts to grapple with the situation by controlling inflation, reducing unemployment, fighting the menace of terrorism, reinforcing peace and amity and above all bringing all the dissident political groups/parties on one platform through intensive reconciliatory measures; still anti-people elements are engaged in subversive activities to destabilize the country.

    “And whereas this House is witness to the assassination of Liaquat Ali Khan, the first prime minister; Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto, twice prime minister and the martyr of democracy; and Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, the saviour of a battered nation, by these very inimical forces.

    “And whereas these very anti-people and vested interests, to serve their own nefarious ends, are still engaged in fanning hatred amongst the constituent units through propagation of parochialism and provincialism, particularly in Punjab, to cause frustration and disenchantment amongst the people of Pakistan.

    “And whereas the evil forces, in their venom against the duly elected government, indulged in vandalism and ransacked the memorial of Shaheed Benazir Bhutto who laid her life at the altar of democracy.

    “This assembly, therefore, not only strongly condemns the subversive, parochial, criminal and anti-national activities that are directed to destabilize the elected government by these very anti-people forces, but also affirm their unstinted support and repose full confidence in the leadership of President Asif Ali Zardari, the proponent of “Pakistan Khapey” who will, Inshallah, with propellers of reconciliation, rudder the ship through the troubled waters to safe shore.”

  223. #223 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 9:31 AM


    Please tell me something.

    You mentioned on V Talk the same argument in the same words which has been your one-point agenda, that letting democracy flourish will make Pakistan a stable country.

    But don’t you think that can only happen when political parties are democratic themselves? It is the political parties that depend on feudalism, not the Army. Feudalism has been the biggest barrier to democracy in Pakistan.

    I just don’t get it why you can’t understand this simple argument?

    And how long do your parties need to rectify themselves? Pakistan has had non-military rule for a total of 32 years. In that time, we have seen a handful of parties forming government in Islamabad. In those 32 years no progress has been made, democratically speaking. In fact I believe the condition of the PPP and PML N is the worst now. You have an industrialist who is the 4th richest man with corruption and murder charges against him, and then you have the 2nd richest man in the country heading the other party, who also has the same charges against him.

    Bilawal Bhutto will become the next leader of PPP whereas Shahbaz Sharif’s or Nawaz Sharif’s son will lead the PML N in the future.

  224. #224 by Theossa on March 17, 2009 - 12:55 PM

    Khansahab @ 244

    It was a creative idea by you! Like it or not, the elected governments in Pakistan are always on the mercy of military so if we engage them in the governance and let them play a positive role things could change.

    What I wish for is the implementation of strict and brutal law that people think of the consequences 10 times before they attempt to loot and harm the country in any way. So your idea sounds practical in this regard. It is however sad that Military could have done it a long time ago, they had quite a few chances to clean up the mess and guide the country in the right direction. It can still be done but I don’t see it happening. May be I lost hope In Pakistan.

    Why you did not include an Urdu Speaking Person in the “Executive Strategy Unit”? Correct me if I’m wrong; Urdu Speaking folks are the second largest minority after Pathans so they should have a say in the affairs of the country.

  225. #225 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 1:15 PM



    I was going off province and not ethnicity!

    I thought from Sindh they can have one person from Karachi and one from Larkana or somewhere.

    It doesn’t matter to me much if both of them are Urdu Speakers or Sindhis, they should speak for the interests of Sindh. On a national level the interests of Sindhis and Urdu Speakers are the same- at the basic level they want to have the same kind of influence as Punjabis do.

    I think the population of Urdu Speakers is between 5-7%. It goes something like: Punjabis- 55-60%, Pathans 17%, Sindhis 15%, Urdu Speakers 5%, Baluchis 3% and others 1-2% or something like that……

    I think the population of “real” Urdu Speakers- such as people who are not from mixed ethnicities and who speak real Urdu, is probably only 2-3%.

  226. #226 by Theossa on March 17, 2009 - 1:24 PM


    My bad, but it gives different impression. Like you use word Pathan in the ESU which is an ethnicity. Do you really think our good Generals are that smart to pick it up? You am more elaborate on this

  227. #227 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 1:28 PM


    I am agree I was unclear. I am sorry, I am apologise!

    I would actually call myself a Sindhi rather than Urdu Speaker, because I am “from Sindh”. However, in Pakistan this issue is taken so seriously that one needs to be precise.

  228. #228 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 1:36 PM

    Nawaz dreaming of opposition-free rule, says Haqqani

    Source: The News

    Chief of Urban Democratic Front (UDF) and chairman of media coordination committee of Pakistan Awami Ittehad (PAI) Hussain Haqqani have said that Nawaz Sharif is dreaming to be the head of an opposition-free government.

    Addressing a press conference at Karachi Press Club on Sunday he alleged that those who had claimed to give a corruption-free government were dreaming to govern the country without any opposition.

    He also distributed among the press crops the copies of PAI charge-sheet containing ‘documentary evidence’ of corruption the Nawaz government committed the last two years. Calling Rafiq Tarar as ‘rubber-stamp president’ Haqqani alleged that he sheltered the Nawaz government in its acts of corruption.

    He said the copies of the PAI charge-sheet were sent to the president but without going through it he rejected it and gave his verdict in favour of Ittefaq Group and did not even take the pain to listen to the other side.

    Haqqani said: “The PAI leaders wanted a meeting with the president to provide him with solid proofs of corruption of the Nawaz government but he imposed the strange condition of not hearing a word against prime minister.”

    About the Indian premier Vajpayee’s visit to Pakistan, Haqqani said it was not aimed at opening the way of dialogue but was targeted at promoting trade relations. He alleged that Pakistan exported to India 0.55 million tons of sugar at Rs 11.5 kg which was acquired from sugar mills of Shahbaz Sharif, Chaudary Shuja’at, Humayoon Akhtar and Jafar Iqbal.

    Regarding govt-MQM relations he said those who were awarding certificates of patriotism to MQM till yesterday were now declaring it a party of terrorists. He also held Nawaz Sharif responsible for sufferings of the people of Karachi at the hand of his coalition partners in Sindh.

    Haqqani demanded immediate resignation of Nawaz to bring in a national government for ruthless and impartial accountability of the plunderers of the public exchequer.

  229. #229 by Theossa on March 17, 2009 - 1:38 PM


    I am agree, ESU members should have been listed as;

    Punjab: 5
    Sindh: 2
    NWFP: 2
    Baluchistan: 1

    You should call yourself an Urdu/English Speaking Pathan from Sindh with British passport, LOL.

  230. #230 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 4:40 PM

    Bangladesh cancel home series with Pakistan

    Bangladesh have cancelled this month’s home series with Pakistan due to security concerns, the state minister for sports said.

    “As of now the security people are busy… we don’t think it feasible to host any foreign team in the country,” Ahad Ali Sarkar told a news conference.

    The series was postponed on March 5 after a mutiny last month at the headquarters of a paramilitary unit in Dhaka which killed at least 80 people, mostly army officers.

  231. #231 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 5:15 PM


    April, in the ODI series against Australia.

    Lol we can predict the result can’t we?

    What a disappointment!

  232. #232 by Theossa on March 17, 2009 - 5:23 PM

    No one could replace Shoaib Malik and Kamran Akmal. Like Javed would say U.S.A. is behind this also 😀

  233. #233 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 5:26 PM


    Based on Fawad’s performance in first class cricket, where he is the highest averaging Pakistani, he can replace just about anyone. However, nerves play a huge part in international cricket and his mental strength has to be tested properly.

    I would say he is able to represent Pakistan because of two innings- one against India where he made 33 runs from 23 balls. In that knock he came in to bat after Misbah, yet he looked more confident than Misbah and outshone him.

    The second was obviously that T20 against Sri Lanka where he hit 3 sixes to win the match. He hit the ball very cleanly and did not look under pressure. His popularity should have multiplied after that knock but sadly people didn’t take much notice of it.

  234. #234 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 6:01 PM


    The best thing they could do is let Malik open with Butt and play Fawad at no 5.

    However, hardly anyone supports that concept so you are right saying that he should replace Malik because he can’t replace Misbah.

    If we plan for the future he should in principle play in Misbah’s position but because Misbah is in the PCB’s good books, it is unlikely.

    Until Misbah shows he can bat as well as Yousuf whom he was brought in to replace, I cannot support him in full.

    If Afridi was not a good bowler and fielder there would have been an argument for Fawad to replace Afridi.

  235. #235 by khansahab on March 17, 2009 - 6:11 PM

    I’m getting sick of Intikhab Alam’s stupid statements to the media.

    Why does the media have to approach him so much? It seems every 2nd day there is some article about what he said to the media.

  236. #236 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 17, 2009 - 10:46 PM

    “No one could replace Shoaib Malik and Kamran Akmal. Like Javed would say U.S.A. is behind this also.” Theo.

    Not just the USA, Israel too ! 😀

  237. #237 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 17, 2009 - 10:53 PM

    CHEAP JUSTICE will not take a new oath.

    Omer, you dodged my question about the British inherited constitution and mentioned something completely different, remember you are still my prey! Bunny! 😀

  238. #238 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 18, 2009 - 8:27 AM

    NZ vs. India first test started on a loud note i.e., if the rain gods don’t intervene there will be a result in this match unlike the recent big scoring tame draws.

    NZ were six down for sixty and then Daniel Vittori along with Jesse Ryder went on a “long march” and frustrated the Indians. What a wonderful player Daniel is, he is always leading from the front. His 118 may look like just any other test 100 on paper, but in reality it was a very tough asking. With 60 for 6 before lunch break, its not an easy task to rebuild the innings and, Jesse who is an aggressive player in the shorter version of the game kept his cool and let his skipper do the scoring. 279 is not a big total to defend and Indians have already scored 10% of their target without loosing any wicket.

    SehWACK started the Indian innings in his own style, whether it is twenty twenty, fifty fifty or a test match, he is playing his own game. I keep wondering how long will he keep on scoring in this manner i.e., without any footwork at all? Perhaps when his hand-eye-brain coordination will fail him, or when there is a lot of swing and bounce? On smaller grounds he is another Jayasuriya and Saeed Anwar to use it to his advantage. The only difference between him and the other two is, he uses power and they used to play safe shots, mostly flicks. When Sehwag scored a test century in Australia he played a different innings he was tempted by the Australian fast bowlers by giving him width to play over the point and gully region and he abstained from doing so.

    Although test cricket is being played and aired live on TV but it seems people are waiting for the IPL and already the Delhi games are off. According to the news Delhi may not host IPL games due to elections and there will be no extra security for the other IPL matches because of the elections in India.

  239. #239 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 18, 2009 - 8:50 AM

    Munir its not Friday that you can make excuses by not responding to those questions about CJ that I asked earlier i.e., when you objected on my comments about Zardari. 😀

    Now the deposed CJ has been restored and according to the reports he will not be taking a new oath as he has already taken one (under Musharraf’s rule – which he claims as unconstitutional) don’t you think it would be limiting his term and powers and under the same constitution he cannot touch the NRO and amend the constitution.

    So, my point is – which is not different from thousands of other people who are asking the same question i.e., – What credibility will a highly politicized judge have? How will the current judges react? Don’t you think there will be a rift in the judiciary among the old and new judges? And, like some experts say that, they might decide to break the Supreme Court in two! If that happens i.e., two courts, one would be a constitutional court and the other will perform the rest of the normal functions. I may laugh, but it is nottttttttttttttttttttt funnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !

    In some circles there is already a talk that Pakistan already has numerous legal systems in the land, why not two Supreme Courts? If that happens, it will weaken the institution further. Already like the Army, the Judiciary has become a part of the framework of Pakistan Politics and if one blames the army for being corrupt, the other equally blames the judiciary to be corrupt. Morally, ethically and socially they have proved how corrupt they are by instigating the poor ignorant masses and we also know that they have accepted bribes hence, financially too they are not just corrupt but, very corrupt.

    If there are two Supreme Courts, then why not two parliaments? One purely for law making and the other to impose check and balance? How is that any different from ZA Bhutto’s suggestion of two constitutions and two prime ministers? Divide the spoils and rule the country to your advantage? If they divide they will be dividing a carcass. Like someone said, ‘wait and see Nawaz will now impose a new crisis and this one which seems to be over, will look like a picnic and the new crisis will be upon us soon.’

  240. #240 by khansahab on March 18, 2009 - 10:23 AM

    In my opinion Zardari should resign from his post. He has lost the support of his party and only the Sindhi nationalist elements in his party are supporting him now.

    Sherry Rahman, Yousaf Raza Gillani, Mian Raza Rabbani….these are big names.

    So Zardari should have some integrity and resign. However he won’t do it because he is hungry for power.

  241. #241 by khansahab on March 18, 2009 - 10:33 AM

    The following article presents an interesting history of MQM. I didn’t know that much about MQM before reading this:

    25 years of MQM: a critical analysis

    Source: The News

    What is it about the acronym “M-Q-M” that stirs up polarized views of either unbridled apprehension or unquestionable devotion? What is it about this party and its leader that has made it so potently vilified or sacredly defended that even the most innocent of discussions on the topic end up in heated debates?

    As the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) celebrates the silver jubilee of its establishment amidst the fanfare of its new calling card of ‘development’ — backed by flyovers, underpasses, water projects and mega-parks — it has, despite all efforts, been unable to shake the tag of terror — backed by hellish stories of torture, killings, extortion and intimidation. The 90s are not only known as the decade of democracy, but the darkest years of the country’s largest city.

    It was, however, not always like this. MQM was not always a euphemism for intimidation.

    In its initial years the MQM was not merely a party — it was a phenomenon. Its leader, a young, outspoken and enigmatic twenty-something saying things that struck home for a huge chunk of the lower-middle class Urdu-speaking population — a majority of whom were relatively apolitical and docile. It was a political movement whose success was fuelled by social and ethnic causes. Until the MQM came around on March 18, 1984, these causes were discussed only in the drawing rooms of 100-something square-yard plots of Karachi’s suburban heartland. Suddenly, there was a young, charged man who was saying all these things in the open.

    The whispers of discontent regarding newly-imposed quotas, the anxiety over the language riots — articulated by Raees Amrohvi’s “Urdu Ka Janaza Hai, Zara Dhoom Sey Niklay” — the outrage over the infamous ‘three-naught-three’ (303) controversy, were all suddenly no longer mumbles of complaint; they had become topics of charged speeches.

    The MQM drew unprecedented crowds, the first example of which was the mammoth and exceptionally-organised rally at Nishtar Park on August 8, 1986 — a day which the party still celebrates as the moment the MQM came to the fore as a political force. Tens of thousands attended that memorable rally, and stayed despite the rain.

    So instant was the party’s success that, three years into its existence, it swept the local bodies’ election in 1987.

    How then did it go wrong? How did the MQM go from the party of the oppressed to a party seen as oppressors by many, from ardent activism to marauding militancy? Why was the need created to call the Army in to launch Operation Cleanup, which led to the bloodiest days in the city’s history?

    The MQM and its supporters fell into the classic trap that consumes many similar socio-ethnic political movements. The politics of repression, on which such movements’ initial popularity hinges, transmogrifies into a kind of paranoid obsession. The world around begins to be viewed through the lens of mistrust; siege mentality creeps into the movement’s thinking. Encouraged by the massive response to a novel movement, instead of asking for rights, they begin to believe it can just take them. Voluntary contribution by supporters soon becomes mandatory donation.

    Not unlike the stereotypical outcome of a meteoric rise to fame, success and support become addictive. To feed this addiction, rhetoric is replaced by the use of weapons — which were plenty available after the flow of arms into Pakistan for use in the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets during the eighties.

    That many of those who had crept into the top tier of the MQM were not the same people who had joined the cause when it was in its purest form — i.e. the Students Action Committee, which then became the All-Pakistan Muhajir Students Organisation (APMSO) — made the party’s transmogrification even more possible.

    The MQM may not see it this way, but its move to remove its excessively militant political leadership in 1991, including Amir Khan and Afaq Ahmed (who would go on to form the Mohajir Qaumi Movement–Haqiqi), clearly reflected the realization that this was happening.

    The loss of identity following the expulsions and then the departure of Altaf Hussain into self-exile threw the party into a tailspin in terms of leadership. With one leader miles away and the other, Azeem Ahmed Tariq, seeming to have changed his mind about the movement amidst a crackdown on activists, the party did not seem to know what to do.

    On June 19, 1992, the operation against the MQM would begin and further fuel the new violent and paranoid nature of the party. Reaction to state aggression was even more potent, and gripped the entire city. For its detractors, MQM was soon a synonym for violence; its activists viewed as thugs. The jubilant cheers of mass gatherings was lost in a barrage of gunfire; the cause consumed by the cancer of fear – seemingly forever.

    Yet, despite it all, MQM continued to appeal to a majority of those who believed in it, despite the allegations of terrorism. The movement’s support proved too strong, too deeply entrenched to wipe out. This is something not even the harshest and most devoted detractor of the MQM can deny. Whatever its image, the bulk of MQM’s support remained steadfast.

    Post-2002, however, the MQM made a political comeback. A resurgent party, bent upon changing its image (having already changing the M in MQM from Mohajir to Muttahida in 1997), re-entered the political arena after boycotting the 1997 general elections and the 2001 local government polls. The party has made concerted efforts to transform behind slogans of development and progress, and the people of Karachi are clearly rallying behind them in even larger numbers.

    The MQM’s policy to concentrate on its local government wing, Haq Parast, has proven to be a brilliant one; one which has not only pulled the party out of the morass that promised to asphyxiate it forever, but actually won over even more support in Karachi.

    The organizational restructuring of the party by Altaf Hussain and the induction of heavily educated and fresh faces has gone a long way to change the perception of the party in the eyes of many. The MQM has begun to shed the moniker of ‘un-criticizeable’ — with its new faces willing to face criticism and defend party policies. Most of all, they are no longer self-professed victims.

    The new generation, as evidence of this re-transformation, does not fear the MQM the way the last did.

    Yet, incidents of violence, such as May 12, 2007, and April 9, 2008, have surfaced time and again, threatening to the pull the party back into its role in the darkest days of Karachi. In addition, a vast majority of its young activists remain aggressive and willing to resort to violence on the streets and on educational campuses.

    The MQM’s past makes it an easy target. In a situation where two parties are equally to blame, the MQM will bear the brunt of criticism.

    However, those living in Karachi will testify that the MQM is a resurgent force; their political representation is now full of non-Urdu speakers evidence of their rising above a purely ethnic party. Like them or not, today they have given a voice not only to Mohajirs, but to the people of Karachi — now a teeming polyglot urban centre.

    Many, especially the older generation and detractors outside Karachi, will be unwilling to accept this — but the MQM’s vast and growing popularity, particularly among the youth, is evidenced by the fact that a majority of the people of Karachi have thrust Altaf Hussain and the MQM into mainstream national-level politics.

    Labels may be hard to shake and moulds hard to break, but the MQM is doing a damn good job of it. And this is just the beginning — the true limits will be reached once its breaks free completely from the shackles of the 90s. Given that most political parties in Pakistan have already hit their potential ceiling, the MQM’s future is perhaps the brightest — no matter what Rasool Bux Palejo may say.

  242. #242 by khansahab on March 18, 2009 - 11:05 AM

    Making space for oppressed nations

    Source: The News

    The Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) celebrates its silver jubilee today. Twenty-five years ago, a young man gave shape to a fledgling student movement, All Pakistan Mohajir Student Organisation (APMSO), and developed into a political party called the Mohajir Qaumi Movement. MQM’s humble beginnings started in 1978, when Mohajir students felt an acute sense of deprivation and victimisation, as they were denied admission in educational institutions.

    Recalling the history of AMPSO, MQM Member of National Assembly (MNA) Haider Abbas Rizvi said that back then, the Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba only supported Punjabi students. When Altaf Hussain was denied admission in the Pharmacy department at the University of Karachi (KU) due to a quota system, he decided to form a students’ action committee, which developed into APMSO on June 11, 1978.

    Over the course of six years, APMSO gained momentum, and based on its ideology, it gained substantial support in the masses. The student organisation was then converted into a political party, and on March 18, 1984, the Mohajir Qaumi Movement was formally conceived. As the party gained fame and supporters, it made dramatic achievement in the political arena – the MQM had swept local body elections as well as general elections in 1988.

    Nine years later, on July 26 1997, MQM officially replaced the term ‘Mohajir’ with ‘Muttahida’ to further their agenda of carrying out a nation wide campaign against feudal domination.

    Party ideology: Empowering the masses

    Speaking to The News, Haider Abbas Rizvi and Member Provincial Assembly (MPA) Faisal Sabzwari revealed that MQM stood by its promise of elevating middle class citizens to the corridors of power, and had elected those who had no homes or were running small business.

    Rizvi spoke with fondness of a public gathering held on 23 March, 1991 at Minar-e-Pakistan, Lahore, which he declared as a “breakthrough moment in MQM’s history”. Party founder Altaf Hussain had delivered a historic speech at the occasion, where he demanded rights for deprived citizens and urged the masses to struggle against feudalism. According to the MQM leaders, the message spread far and wide, and increased popularity of the party tenfold.

    ‘Violence and Persecution’

    Rizvi recalled the numerous instances when MQM was dragged into various ethnic conflicts. He mentioned one of the worst riots in the history of city in 1986, when a young girl, Bushra Zaidi, died in a bus accident in Qasba Colony. This flared up riots between two ethnicities and caused a lot of grief.

    Rizvi went on to speak about the notorious ‘Operation Cleanup’, a state sponsored operation that was launched in June 1992 and targeted MQM party members, many of whom were shot, kidnapped or tortured to death.

    The MNA also spoke about another major operation against the MQM in Surjani Town, when Syed Ghous Ali Shah was Sindh Chief Minister.

    Mohajir identity

    Haider Abbas Rizvi said that the party never wanted to identify itself on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion. Instead they always supported ‘Pakistani Nationalism’ instead of ‘Regional Nationalism’, as is evident by their decision to change the party name to ‘Muttahida’ from ‘Mohajir’.

    The Mohajir sense of isolation came into being through a series of events. The three defining points in this evolution were the 1964 presidential elections, the 1972 language riots, and the ethnic violence that erupted post-1986.

    Rizvi said that the 1972 language riots were caused by the passage of a language bill by the Sindhi Assembly declaring Sindhi to be the provincial language along with Urdu. He also said that nationalisation of industries and banks also deprived a lot of Mohajirs from their rights.

  243. #243 by khansahab on March 18, 2009 - 11:14 AM

    Long march show in city was poor: PML-N

    Source: The Daily Times Lahore

    By Irfan Ali

    KARACHI: The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) has failed to rally the support of the citizens of Karachi for the opposition-backed lawyers’ long march.

    “I agree with you that now Lahore has replaced Karachi as the city of the opposition parties,” PML-N Sindh Chapter President Ghaus Ali Shah told Daily Times in a telephonic conversation on Sunday night. PML-N Central Vice President Mamnoon Hussain said that the provincial leadership of his party couldn’t mobilise the cadres and supporters from the city, hence, the thin participation of Karachiites in the rally. Hussain, too, is in hiding to avoid the crackdown against PML-N leaders and spoke to Daily Times over the phone.

    He admitted that Karachi hadn’t responded satisfactorily to the call of the opposition parties to join the long march that is to enter Islamabad on Monday. “However, hundreds of our workers have reached Lahore. They are in groups of 15, 20, 30 and 35 and they hail from almost all districts of Sindh,” Hussain revealed.

    He went on to say that one reason behind the thin participation was the lack of mobilisation from the provincial PML-N leadership, while also citing the sidelining of the PML-N through unfair elections in the past as another major reason. “The PML-N will reorganise itself and revive its organisational activities if free and fair elections are held here,” he asserted his position and further said that the PPP-led government’s crackdown was also one of the reasons behind the very weak response from Karachi.

    Shah called Daily Times from an unknown place and said he was proud that supporters from across Sindh defied the imposition of Section 144. “Section 144 is an admission of the Sindh government’s failure. Anyhow, we shall reach Islamabad on Monday,” he vowed.

    PML-N Provincial Spokesman Zahid Rafiq Butt was with Ghaus. Daily Times asked him if Nawaz Sharif could accept the government’s offer of reconciliation because of his vacillating position in the past, to which Butt replied that any such acceptance on his part would be nothing less than political suicide.

    Imdad Chandio and many other PML-N leaders had earlier shifted to other places to evade arrests; their houses were also raided.

    Karachi had been known as the city of opposition parties for its huge support for Fatima Jinnah, sister of Pakistan’s founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah, who had contested in the presidential election against dictator Ayub Khan. The city had also served as the major hub for the Pakistan National Alliance.

    Progressive groups also struggled actively and since the late 80s and early 90s, Karachi has remained the city of opposition due to MQM’s role in the opposition. Grand Democratic Alliance (GDA) was the last effective opposition alliance that had lodged stiff protest in Karachi, against the Nawaz Sharif-led PML-N government back in 1999.

  244. #244 by khansahab on March 18, 2009 - 11:28 AM

    LOL @ Ghous Ali Shah’s assertion, “Lahore has replaced Karachi as the city of opposition parties”.

    That is because since 1999 Karachi has supported the government whereas plans to remove Musharraf were made in Lahore. Now conspiracies to weaken Zardari and restore power to the Punjab were made in Lahore, too.

    The PPP is in shambles and if and when there is a general election, PML N is likely to win and Karachi will become a city for opposition parties, again.

  245. #245 by M. Y.. Kasim on March 18, 2009 - 9:53 PM

    I dont know why you guys are so upset when the poor CJP and other judges are being re-instated? After all, they also have their families. When everybody is having a good time by looting and grbbing with both hands whatever they can in Pakistan, why not the judges?

    Be a sport!!

  246. #246 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 18, 2009 - 11:33 PM

    Kasim Saheb; I like your sense of humour. How is your health? We all pray for your good health. Thanks for reading and contributing on the blog once in a while, its always a pleasure to see you Sir. With kind regards.

  247. #247 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 18, 2009 - 11:39 PM

    LOL…. Nawaz Sharif still unhappy: He said; “that Punjab’s mandate had been crushed and there was no justification for the governor rule in Punjab.” Whereas the fact is, in Punjab no party has the majority, which may lead to an extension of the governor rule. What are the Badmash Brothers going to do now?

  248. #248 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 18, 2009 - 11:47 PM


    Pakistan to train in Dubai ahead of Aussie series
    Thursday, March 19, 2009
    By our correspondent: THE NEWS.

    KARACHI: Pakistani cricketers will assemble in Lahore on April 8 for a brief conditioning camp before leaving for United Arab Emirates to feature in a one-day series against Australia to be played in April-May.

    ‘The News’ learnt on Wednesday that after training for four days at the Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore, the Pakistani cricketers will leave for Dubai on April 13 for the ODI series that will get underway there later this month.

    Led by Younis Khan, Pakistan will play five One-day Internationals and a Twenty20 International against Australia from April 22-May 7 in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

    Pakistan are scheduled to hold a training camp at the Dubai Sports City Cricket Stadium from April 14. The stadium will be the venue for the first two one-dayers on April 22 and 24.

    Ahead of the series opener, the Pakistan team will play a warm-up one-dayer against Pakistan A – a side that will consist of second string cricketers. For that match, Pakistan will take nine additional players to Dubai, who will be sent back home after the warm-up game.

    The exercise is being planned in a bid to help the national team get fully ready for the Aussies following the cancellation of Pakistan’s one-day tour of Bangladesh because of security apprehensions.

    Pakistan are unlikely to make many changes to the squad that they named for the series against Bangladesh earlier this month when they pick the side for the games against Australia. The team is expected to be named after the conclusion of the ongoing National One-day Tournament.


    I am sure Munir knows about the weather conditions in Dubai during the end of April and early May, it is HOT. Whereas, we have spring here and generally very nice weather. But, a few years ago I have witnessed snowfall on May 1st here. That is the kinda contrast in weather conditions. So, my point is until and unless its a Day & Night match its impossible to play a day match in Dubai during the second half of April.

  249. #249 by Mohammed Munir on March 19, 2009 - 5:42 AM

    UAE Weather …

    I agree with Javed, UAE’s weather will be a bit too hot towards second half of April and early May. But the good news is that in UAE we shall not have any rain, fog, storms, snow or any other weather related interruptions. Yes, the weather here is hot and humid, but clear, sunny and good for a full day’s cricket. Moreover, Sharjah, Dubai, as well as Abu Dhabi Stadiums are all equipped with adequate floodlights for day/night matches, if need be.

    Secondly, Pakistan’s weather is also not very cold during April and somewhat similar to UAE, so most of our players will settle well as they themselves are not coming from much colder environments.

    On the other hand, it will make more logic to have these matches as D/N games, as not only will this help in avoiding day heat but it will also make more commercial sense to have higher number of audiences watching the games after their regular working days. Pakistan’s time being one hour ahead of UAE (UAE time is +4 GMT) it will also suit well to Pakistan audiences to have D/N matches, while I am not sure about Australians and their timings as to what shall suit them more.

    Personally for me, I would love to have them in day/ night format, as you need to “unwind” after a long and hard work at office 🙂

  250. #250 by Mohammed Munir on March 19, 2009 - 9:35 AM

    Rebirth of Cricket in the UAE …

    Ok guys, now I have used my influences and I can confirm to you all that as of now (things may change with PCB unexpectedly 😉 ), all the ODIs between Pakistan and Australia will be Day/ Night matches. I also came to know that all the ODI games are going to start at 1500 UAE time (1600 Pakistan time).

    The two T20 matches will also be played in the afternoon timings.

    So now then, you all can make your schedules accordingly 😉

    BTW, if any of you (LS Gang) are planning to visit UAE for the match, tell me and I can arrange some free tickets for you guys.

    PS: If Theossa came, I will make sure that he eats some good quality food besides cricket. 😆

  251. #251 by khansahab on March 19, 2009 - 10:37 AM

    Munir sahab

    Some of us need more than just tickets…..

    Some of us need a place to stay 😉

  252. #252 by Mohammed Munir on March 19, 2009 - 10:46 AM

    Khan Sahab…

    “Mr. Munir is not available for now, you have reached his mail box, please leave your name and number and he shall get back to you asap” … beep, beep, beep 😉

    Hahaha … I was just joking 🙂

    Ok I extend my generocity, I shall take care of place too, for YOU.

  253. #253 by khansahab on March 19, 2009 - 11:00 AM

    Munir sahab

    Thanks for the offer, hehe it was just a joke…

  254. #254 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 19, 2009 - 12:05 PM

    Weatherman Munir, thanks for the offer, unless you do “Bukhatir-Tawazo” for us, I mean what your boss Abdul Rahman Bukhatir used to do for VIP’s in Sharjah – invite the top movie actresses and aikasstras – for entertainment, there won’t be any temptation for us, khaali khooli cricket match dekhna hai tou TV per live kion na dekhain? And, khansahab has already mentioned that between the lines and I am not hinting in fact I have not minced any words in my demands and made it very clear. Theo needs a few Hirnis (female deers) to shoot or a couple of steel heads for angling. No matter what you provide for Omer, he may still be jhakking as ever. 😀 And don’t forget a few lollypops, kit-kats and Peak-Freans biscuits for the spinkid.

  255. #255 by khansahab on March 19, 2009 - 12:54 PM

    Munir sahab

    Can you arrange for these facilities when we tour your wonderful country?

  256. #256 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 19, 2009 - 1:11 PM

    LOL @ khansahab and his budda taste, yar aunties ki jaan choro bhee! 😀

  257. #257 by khansahab on March 19, 2009 - 6:10 PM

    Israeli soldiers admit to deliberate killing of Gaza civilians

    The Israeli army has been forced to open an investigation into the conduct of its troops in Gaza after damning testimony from its own front line soldiers revealed the killing of civilians and rules of engagement so lax that one combatant said that they amounted on occasion to “cold-blooded murder”.

    The revelations, compiled by the head of an Israel military academy who declared that he was “shocked” at the findings, come as international rights groups are calling for independent inquiries into the conduct of both sides in the three-week Israeli offensive against Palestinian Islamists.

    The soldiers’ testimonies include accounts of an unarmed old woman being shot at a distance of 100 yards, a woman and her two children being killed after Israeli soldiers ordered them from their house into the line of fire of a sniper and soldiers clearing houses by shooting anyone they encountered on sight.

    “That’s the beauty of Gaza. You see a man walking, he doesn’t have to have a weapon, and you can shoot him,” one soldier told Danny Zamir, the head of the Rabin pre-military academy, who asked him why a company commander ordered an elderly woman to be shot.

    “I gathered the graduate students of the course who fought in Gaza, to hear their impressions from the fighting. I wasn’t prepared for any of the stuff I heard there. I was shocked,” Mr Zamir said. “I think that the writing was on the wall, but we just didn’t want to see it, we didn’t want to face it.”

    One non-commissioned officer told Mr Zamir, himself a deputy battalion commander in the reserves, that the army “fired a lot of rounds and killed a lot of people in order for us not to be injured or shot at.

    “When we entered a house, we were supposed to bust down the door and start shooting inside and just go up storey by storey… I call that murder. Each storey, if we identify a person, we shoot them. I asked myself – how is this reasonable?”

    The same unnamed NCO said that his commanding officer ordered soldiers on to a rooftop to shoot an old woman crossing a main street during the fighting, which a Palestinian rights groups said left 1,434 people dead, 960 of them civilians.

    “I don’t know whether she was suspicious, not suspicious, I don’t know her story,” the NCO said. “I do know that my officer sent people to the roof in order to take her out… It was cold-blooded murder.”

    Another NCO recounted a military blunder that led to a mother and her two children being shot dead by an Israeli sniper. “We had taken over the house… and the family was released and told to go right. A mother and two children got confused and went left… The sniper on the roof wasn’t told that this was okay and that he shouldn’t shoot… you can say he just did what he was told… he was told not to let anyone approach the left flank and he shot at them.

    “I don’t know whether he first shot at their feet or not, but he killed them,” the soldier said.

    The soldiers’ accounts were submitted anonymously at a meeting at the academy around a month ago. The Israel army said that it had started an investigation, but that this was the first time it had heard such testimony, despite having debriefed troops itself.

    Breaking The Silence, an organisation of former soldiers who gather witness accounts from troops in the Palestinian territories, said that its own investigation into Operation Cast Lead, as the war was known in Israel, had revealed a similar picture of the fighting.

    “It’s definitely in line with what we are hearing,” said one of the researchers.

    Another disturbing element reported by the soldiers was the role of military rabbis in distributing booklets that framed the fighting as a religious war. “All these articles had a clear message: we are the Jewish people, we have come to the land by miraculous means, and now we have to fight to remove the Gentiles who are getting in our way and preventing us from occupying the Holy Land… a great many soldiers had a feeling throughout this operation of a religious war,” said one soldier.

    There were also accounts of soldiers being ordered to throw all the furniture out of Palestinians’ homes as they were taken over.

    “We simply threw everything out the windows to make room and order. The entire contents of the house flew out the windows: refrigerator, plates, furniture. The order was to remove the entire contents of the house.”

  258. #258 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 19, 2009 - 6:58 PM

    Wow khansahab this is some co-incidence that I turned my computer on and read the news, copied this link:

    Then, I opened the LS page and wanted to write more about it on the subject and there you go, you have already copy pasted the same news. Anyways, since the link is missing in your comment, I better leave the link for those who want to know and check the source.

    It is really barbaric on their part to kill innocent humans like that and among them, they have some people who feel like us and they gave detailed accounts of those horrific incidents that is how we got this news. What a shame that the soldiers are like machines and monsters and they have no feelings.

    “Surely WE created Man of the Best Stature
    Then WE reduced him to the lowest of the low.”
    Al- Qur’an.

    From a human being, the best of God’s creation he comes worst than an animal, he becomes a SAVAGE.

  259. #259 by M. Y.. Kasim on March 19, 2009 - 7:29 PM

    Last year, when the Israelis bombarded Beirut in the so-called retaliation of Hezbollah’s rocket attack on North Israel, the entire Muslim quarter of the city was destroyed and the whole world looked on.

    Now, the EU is thinking of re-building that part the city and appealing to others like USA, Japan, and above all, the oil rich Arab countries to donate in this cause!!

    They don’t have the balls to condemn the perpetrators and penalize and ask it to pay the damages, at least, monetary, the human loss can never be compensated, while the orchestra of holocaust will be played forever.

  260. #260 by khansahab on March 19, 2009 - 7:42 PM


    Who knows maybe he will be looking for Rani Mukherjee while everyone is watching cricket?

    She’s his favourite actress.

    Kind regards

    Spin King

  261. #261 by khansahab on March 19, 2009 - 8:38 PM


    I am agree Abdul will find Qadir’s and Mushy’s mysteries more appealing……

    Kind regards

    Spin Master

  262. #262 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 20, 2009 - 4:48 AM


    Aftermath of Lahore shootout

    Pakistan would be popular in England and Wales
    Cricinfo staff
    March 20, 2009

    David Morgan: “It’s important that other Full Members recognise the significance of playing against Pakistan”

    David Morgan, the ICC president, has said Pakistan would receive great support if they used England and Wales for “home” matches following the fallout from the Lahore terrorist attack. Bangladesh cancelled their hosting of Pakistan due to security concerns and the team’s first international engagement will be in Dubai and Abu Dhabi next month for limited-overs matches against Australia.

    “They seem to want to play in England, and there will be a great deal of support should they want to play in England or Wales, with the Pakistani population in those two nations,” Morgan told the Sydney Morning Herald. “The important thing is not to reduce the volume of international cricket, and I believe the other nations are very keen to give them every support.”

    He said that as long as Pakistan’s matches were broadcast on television, the people in the country would still be able to see their side perform. “In Pakistan, Test match cricket is not being followed by large numbers of people in stadiums,” he said. “Obviously, home advantage is a very important thing, and they will clearly miss that.”

    Morgan did not want Pakistan to become isolated after the events of March 3, when the Sri Lanka team bus and ICC officials were targets of the raid. Eight people were killed and seven members of the Sri Lanka squad suffered injuries.

    “It’s produced some of the world’s most attractive cricketers for 30 years, household names, perhaps disproportionately to any other country,” Morgan said. “It’s important that other Full Members recognise the significance of playing against Pakistan.”

    Source: Cricinfo

  263. #263 by Mohammed Munir on March 20, 2009 - 10:56 AM

    Khan Sahab @ Comment 284 …

    Sorry I can’t oblige on that front 😦

    However, all I can say that if you haven’ t been lucky in UK then I don’t see you getting anywhere here in Dubai too 😉

    What I mean is that no matter what you guys have heard about Dubai/ UAE, we can not offer more opportunities then UK, USA, West, because however modern and liberal Dubai may be but it still is a Muslim/ Arab country. After all, we are not playing cricket in Thailand, you see 😀

    One advice about girls, it always depends on ‘kiss main kitna hai dum’, so nobody can help you guys but yourself.

    As Theossa will say, it’s no fun, ‘hunting’ a dead animal 😉

    Javed Khan @ Comment No. 283 …

    You definitely know Khan Sahab better then me, as I surely missed what he meant ‘between-the-lines’ 😦

    All I can offer is ‘Khaali Khooli’ cricket and nothing more, and if any of you is looking for some ‘hunting’ over here then you all will have to bring in your own ‘hirnis’ (female deer) with you, as we don’t have ‘hirnis’ here and neither is UAE’s hot weather suitable for any ‘hirnis’.

    Finally seeing the excitement and enthusim about Dubai and all the ‘manly’ desires, I am worried about the Pakistani players’ game plans because I wish they are not coming to Dubai with similar high ‘hopes’ 😆

  264. #264 by Mohammed Munir on March 20, 2009 - 12:29 PM

    Theossa @ Comment No. 249 …

    I know you do not take much interest in Pakistani politics, but you always make knowledgeable and well-thought comments, which I admire and like about you.

    Nevertheless, in your above comment you said, “What I wish for is the implementation of strict and brutal law that people think of the consequences 10 times before they attempt to loot and harm the country in any way”.

    So do you want to handover ‘gun’ to every judge and authority to kill every convict ??

    This does not make good sense to me and I am a bit confuse about your idea (although, I am dead against it).

    I think even Khan Sahab, being a ‘lawyer-in-making’ should be absolutely against this ‘brutal law’ thing.

  265. #265 by Mohammed Munir on March 20, 2009 - 12:31 PM

    * (although, I am ‘NOT’ dead against it). 😛

  266. #266 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 20, 2009 - 1:01 PM

    ‘Prophet carpet’ goes for $5.5m

    The Pearl Carpet of Baroda displayed at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Doha on March 14, 2009.

    The Pearl Carpet was created in the late 1860s. A carpet that was commissioned in India 150 years ago to decorate the tomb of the Prophet Muhammad in Medina has sold for nearly $5.5m at an auction in Doha. Bidding was expected to start at about $5m but the starting price was brought down to $4.5m as there were few buyers.

    I don’t understand why that SILLY CARPET is being called as “PROPHET CARPET” by the media?

    Whoever that stupid Indian Maharaja was who wanted to take the carpet for Prophet’s mosque in Medina wasted not only money but also went against the teachings of Islam. Perhaps the Maharaja was stopped from doing so. Because, the Prophet was a very simple man he practiced and lived a simple life. There were no rugs of this kind in his house or in his lifetime anywhere among his companions, so why associate a carpet which is so expensive (decorated with pearls) and a piece of art with his name?

    Qatar being a Muslim country wanted to be known in the world that they exist on the world map, took this initiative to auction that carpet in Doha. This is the height of gaining cheap popularity. But, in doing so what they fail to recognize is; they are selling something extremely ostentatious by using the name of the Prophet, which is very wrong. People have no morals all they see is wealth and no matter how they can acquire it.

  267. #267 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 20, 2009 - 1:30 PM

    Yar Munir, we are not serious, but you seems to be very serious by giving us detailed explanations about West has more opportunities or Dubai is a Muslim and an Arab country and it is not Thailand etc. May be khansahab doesn’t know about Dubai, but I do. In the early 1990’s when the Russian Slutskayas started coming, the people said Dubai has become a whorehouse. But, that’s nothing as compared to what is happening in Dubai today.

    I am not talking about the night clubs and night life of Dubai, reportedly in a city with hardly 1.5 million resident population (the tourists who come for a week or a month are not included) there are more than 4700 night clubs, which is a very high ratio. There are so many hotels from 7* to 0* and on top of that there are thousands and thousands of Slutskayas, Sharmutas and Randy Mandy of every nationality.

    They are not just seen at the Al-Nasser Square or in Murshid Bazar but, in almost all the residential areas not only in Deira but in Bur Dubai too. And of course, not just in hotels or houses but on the streets of Bur Dubai, Satwa and Jumeira too. From Burjuman Center to Silver Sands which is a few minutes of walking distance on every nook and corner the hookers are seen standing alone or in a group of three or four and asking you for business! You think the Government or the Police is not aware of this? So, what kinda Muslim or an Arab Country are you talking about? Sharjah? Yes, we know the Ruler has banned single woman landing in the emirate of Sharjah without a Mehram. And, we also know there are no bars. But, Dubai and Abu Dhabi they both have and Dubai is the leader.

    In London, there are a few designated places which is called the Red Light Area where you find hookers but, not in the residential areas. Over here, you will find night clubs with lap dancing which they call “contact dance” but, on the street very rarely will you see a hooker soliciting business. Actually casual sex by mutual consent and mutual attraction is still very common and people meet in bars and clubs and that’s why prostitution is not that much in demand.

    However, that word I used in my comment earlier, “Bukhatir Tawazo” is just a sarcasm to what Abdul Rahman Bukhatir used to do and it rhymes with “Khatir Tawazo” or Mehamandari ……. it was just a ShowBizz that was done at that time, but now IPL has taken over that hoopla and those actors and actresses have started owning the franchise and hiring gori cheerleaders as aikasstrass.

    Btw, there aren’t any high or low hopes we were just pulling your legs and we are now stretching it….. 😀

  268. #268 by M. Y.. Kasim on March 20, 2009 - 10:34 PM

    Lets talk about cricket for a change!

    Bad news first: The Pak selectors have decided to “TRIM” the team by dropping Sarfraz Ahmed.

    Sachin Tendulkar has scored another century, his 42nd. Somebody on LS said some time ago that the way he is going, he may end up with 50!! This guy is amazing.

    I wanted to say something about Ishant Sharma. This guy has become very arrogant, abusinve and thinks he is the best in the the world. He has been pampered by his “chamchas” by calling him “lamboo” and he thinks that he is another Amithabh Bachan!!

    Several batsmen have endured his vrbal abuse and profanity but someone will eventually take some action. Remember, Sreesanth? One slap and he was crying and weeping like a baby!

    Please comment on all three points.

  269. #269 by khansahab on March 20, 2009 - 11:03 PM

    Kasim sahab

    Although I am aware of Tendulkar’s talent, I have always liked Dravid’s batting more. But that is a personal choice.
    Objectively, I think when Tendulkar retires he will be considered to be the greatest batsman of all time. Even though he can’t surpass Bradman in Tests, I doubt Bradman, were he playing today, could play limited overs’ cricket so well. I also doubt any of the past greats like Sutcliffe, Hammond etc could play so well over the course of 20 or more years.

    I have never seen Ishant Sharma display arrogance on the field, but I will not be surprised. It is wrong and it will give India a bad name. No one is above the game, doesn’t matter how tall or fast anyone is.

    About Sarfraz Ahmed, I am not surprised. Akmal has a very good rapport with former cricketers like Ramiz Raja, Aamer Sohail etc. I think more than rapport or PR, there is also a problem with the overriding mentality that “a keeper should be more of a batsman than a keeper.” So many people in Pakistan believe that if someone can bat, he should be promoted in the team. Rashid Latif suffered because of this, as Moin Khan was usually the more popular choice. However, Akmal is no Moin, at his worst Moin dropped 1 catch per 5 games maybe, but Akmal is just pathetic.

    In the last 48 ODI’s Pakistan has played, Akmal has dropped 25 catches.

  270. #270 by khansahab on March 21, 2009 - 12:21 AM

    Balochistan to discuss ‘actions against Pakhtuns’ in Karachi

    By Amanullah Kasi

    Saturday, 21 Mar, 2009

    QUETTA: The Balochistan Assembly admitted for debate on Friday an adjournment motion to discuss what was called Muttihada Qaumi Movement’s coercive actions against Pakhtuns aimed at forcing them out of Karachi.

    The session was presided over by Speaker Mohammad Aslam Bhootani. The motion was tabled by PML-Q’s Jaffar Khan Mandokhel who cited incidents of 1985, 1994, May 12, 2007, and July 2008 which forced Pakhtuns out of business in MQM-dominated areas in Karachi and drove thousands of them out of the city. He accused the Sindh government of keeping quiet on the issue in order not to offend its coalition partner.

    Senior Minister Maulana Wasay supported the motion and said that targeting a particular ethnic group did not bode well for national integrity. The speaker allowed a two-hour debate on the motion on Saturday.

    Earlier, the house approved a resolution moved by Minister for Irrigation Sardar Aslam Bizenjo, praising the federal government, political parties, media and civil society for resolving the judicial crisis in an amicable manner. It also appreciated the role played by Chief Minister Nawab Raisani in settling the issue.

    Home Minister Mir Zafarullah Zehri assured that complaints about kidnapping of Nadra officials would be investigated.

  271. #271 by khansahab on March 21, 2009 - 12:42 AM

    I felt like laughing after reading this:

    Pakistan along the highway

    Source: Arab News

    THE day following the restoration of the Supreme Court judges in Pakistan, I was on a long taxi journey on the highway between Dubai and Abu Dhabi. As luck would have it, my cab driver, Sohail, was a very engaging and personable Pakistani national from Shalimar Town in Lahore. A schoolteacher by profession, he had abandoned any hope of pursuing that career in his homeland, and had set out for the Gulf for his slice of the golden pie.

    It wasn’t long before we struck up a conversation on the latest developments in his home country. Sohail was unquestionably a man of political opinions and discourse, and did not feel inhibited about speaking out his mind.

    “Look Sir. I was up all night watching the long march before it was called off. What Nawaz Sharif did was for the good of Pakistan, and Zardari finally had to relent. The people that thronged the roads during the march brought pride and tears to my eyes.

    “Pakistan was in danger of moving into a very volatile state had it not been for the resolute decisions of Nawaz Sharif and his supporters to call Zardari’s bluff. Even though many were prevented forcibly by joining the march, in many places, the police who were sympathetic to the cause allowed some of them to get through. All those false promises that Zardari made before were finally put to rest.”

    “OK, Sohail. I understand that Nawaz Sharif snarled and Zardari blinked. But, what now? What is to happen to your country? Where does Pakistan go from here?” I asked.

    “Well, first of all Sir, these crooks must be booted out of office. The people of Pakistan have shown that they are fed up with those who parade behind the curtain of martyrs. What did Benazir Bhutto do for the people, except to fatten the purses of those around her?

    And as for Musharraf, he sold his country to the Americans. Look, even now they send their spy planes to bomb our villages. Our sovereignty has been threatened, and we are under constant siege. And that corrupt Altaf Hussein who heads the MQM. Where is he now? Hiding in London, and inciting ethnic violence to create more unrest?

    “Sir, you ask what will happen now. The restoration of judges will bring in a high degree of political ethics to a country whose politicians have ignored their people. Nawaz Sharif is a good man and has done a lot of good for the people. Granted, his mistake was when he tried to boot out Musharraf as army chief. But for all his faults, he is not a thief and Pakistan needs clean leaders like him at this moment. Zardari on the other hand has proven to be a man who makes false promises and we don’t need any more people like him running our country. Even when our relations were bad with India 10 years ago, it was Nawaz Sharif who took the lead and called for normalization of ties. He invited Indian Prime Minister Vajpayee to the Wagah border where both signed an agreement called the Lahore declaration. Soon, Pakistanis and Indians were exchanging visits and ties between the two countries were warming up.”

    “Then why did he approve of Kargil, Sohail? That military excursion into India was done when he was in power,” I countered.

    “Musharraf was the mastermind behind Kargil, Sir. He was not very happy about the peace arrangements with India, and it was through this mad adventure that he hoped to achieve a breakdown of trust. In the process, we lost over 4,000 lives. But did he care?”

    “What about Prime Minister Gilani, Sohail? How do you feel about him?”

    Gilani is a good man, but has been overshadowed by Zardari. Even though I feel his conscience is clean, he cannot confront Zardari on issues he disagrees with. And that will be his undoing. His boss had become another dictator under false democratic pretenses, and unless Gilani moves, the levers of power from the president to the prime minister which is stated in our constitution, he will not last too long.”

    On the return trip back to Dubai after finishing my business, it was a swarthy but gregarious Sikh, Joginder Singh who was to be my driver. And it wasn’t long before he proceeded to give me an earful on Indian politics. But that would be another story.

    LOL, please draw your own conclusions………..

    Nawaz is a good man
    Choudhary is a good man
    Gillani is a good man

    Zardari is a bad man
    Benazir was a bad woman
    Musharraf is a bad man
    Altaf is a bad man

  272. #272 by khansahab on March 21, 2009 - 1:10 AM

    I don’t understand how and why some people in Pakistan like to insert anomalies in a list and expect to fool the masses.

    Nawaz Sharif said today that he will raise street agitation again if the country does not run according to the ideals of Jinnah and Allama Iqbal.

    Every major political party mentions Jinnah somewhere in their manifesto or website, however on PML N’s main website page, Allama Iqbal is mentioned alongside Jinnah.

    I have nothing but the highest regard for Iqbal’s works and generally, his services for the Muslims of the Subcontinent. I do not deny that he envisaged a future homeland for the Muslims of India, a dream which was transformed into reality by Indian Muslims, however, it was just a thought and nothing more. Many people thought the same about Muslims even before Iqbal, but they are not very famous, so their views are not important.

    However, I don’t understand why Iqbal is given SO much importance that Nawaz Sharif thinks Iqbal thought of the legal and constitutional framework of the country? Iqbal was not a practising lawyer. Iqbal died in 1938, 2 years before it was decided for certain that Pakistan would be achieved. Nawaz Sharif and like-minded people make it seem that Allama Iqbal climbed the Everest or something to achieve Pakistan. He merely conveyed an idea and provided moral support, but he was not alone in doing so.

    The same people say things like, “Pakistan needs to get rid of corrupt people like Zardari, Nawaz Sharif and Musharraf”.

    Again, Musharraf is an anomaly because, his main problem was being an unconstitutionally elected President and illegality. Zardari and Nawaz came through popular support and supposedly legal elections, but when you talk about corruption, you normally talk about misappropriation of funds, bribery, nepotism, cases in the courts, assets across the world etc etc, and there is no credible evidence to say Musharraf was involved in that kind of corruption.

    So my advice to people is, if you are so stupid enough to say stupid things based on your stupid biases, please don’t think everyone else is like you.

  273. #273 by khansahab on March 21, 2009 - 10:04 AM

    Still on top of his game

    Khushwant Singh

    March 20, 2009

    Source: Hindustantimes

    Some people have questioned the wisdom of inviting General Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan to an open-house question and answer session in Delhi. I think it was a splendid idea and such exchanges should be encouraged. He spoke with candour; members of the audience did not spare him. It was a lively give-and-take on outstanding issues between India and Pakistan.

    However, I could not understand the logic behind the embargo he placed on questions relating to Pakistan’s attempt to grab Kargil. He was the principal actor in the misadventure which took the lives of hundreds of Indian and Pakistani soldiers — and to no avail. Kargil stays with us. Since he also repeated that if the Kashmir issue was not resolved according to Pakistan’s wishes, one should expect more Kargils and Siachens. Doesn’t he owe it to himself, his country and us, to explain why?

    We have resolved the Kashmir issue democratically by having free and fair elections. We expect its new chief minister, Omar Abdullah, to spell out in detail what sort of autonomy he wants for Jammu and Kashmir within the Indian Union. There is good reason to hope that a settlement will soon be reached. That should silence Pakistan and prevent it from becoming a conduit for militant intruders into our territory.

    It is patently obvious that Pakistan has been better ruled by dictators than by democratically-elected presidents or prime ministers. Without exception all its democratically-elected heads of state were corrupt: from Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, his daughter Benazir, Nawaz Sharif and his brother Shahbaz, down to the present head Asif Ali Zardari — he being the worst of the lot. All of them accumulated vast estates in their own country and abroad.

    By contrast, military dictators were financially clean and above nepotism, with the sole exception of General Yahya Khan who was a notorious womaniser. Though General Musharraf was guilty of trampling over human rights, no one ever accused him of making money, promoting relatives or friends. He is an upright man with a modern outlook. He is not a bigot and during his eight-year-long tenure, relations between India and Pakistan were better than ever before with more comings and goings of people and cross-border trade. His downfall came because he tried to put down the bigotry preached by the Taliban and the al-Qaeda with an iron hand. His handling of the siege of Lal Masjid in Islamabad turned out to be a bloody affair and spelt his doom.

    Another point in favour of General Musharraf is that he is a brave man. Many attempts have been made on his life by his own countrymen. Others would have considered migrating to a country where they would be less vulnerable and seeking asylum there after retirement. He has decided to stay on in Islamabad come what may. With Pakistan again on the boil, there may be elements in the country which would feel more secure in a military dictatorship.

  274. #274 by khansahab on March 21, 2009 - 10:35 AM

    On the Mumbai page I wrote a comment regarding Varun Gandhi’s inflammatory speeches against Muslims. Those speeches can be viewed on the following link:

    It is shameful that such incidents are occurring in a secular country that claims to be the world’s biggest democracy. It is even more disgraceful that the already disgraced Shiv Sena and radical Hindu elements have lauded Varun’s speeches and said he is telling the truth.

    I will reiterate what I said to Varun Suri some weeks ago, that extremism is something that is growing across the world, whether that is in USA, UK or India, and to put the spotlight on Pakistan only is unfair.

  275. #275 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 21, 2009 - 1:22 PM

    Kasim Sahab; As long as Butt is gyrating his butt and Qadir is spinning and leaping like a frog with petty politics Sarfaraz and many more will suffer. Its not a matter of trimming but, its a matter of expanding regionalism.

    Sachin Tendulkar: Yes, he scored another test hundred, I watched the game live, on the second day of the test Tendulkar was very shaky to start his innings especially when he was with Laxman. Jesse Ryder was the bowler and at that time he bowled 7 overs 5 maidens, 10 runs and would you believe all 10 runs were scored by Laxman and Tendulkar played 5 maiden overs from the other end? Anyways its a matter of records and he has 42 test hundreds – Ponting is the only closest rival who has 38 test hundreds and recently he was out on 99 and 89. But, Ponting’s game has not changed as compared to Tendulkar’s. Ponting still blazes away like a rocket and I like his batting more than Tendulkar’s.

    Ishant Sharma: “I am totally agree 100% with you” I have seen Ishant’s arrogance twice at least and even in this NZ – India series he had a row with Jesse Ryder when he spanked him for a couple of sixes. Ishant was so pissed off that he said something rude to Jesse Ryder when he came near and asked him what he means? Ishant Sharma said “F” off to him. Then suddenly the close-in fielders came in between the two to diffuse the situation. And, Jesse reported it to the umpire and the umpire talked to Dhoni. The result was Jesse again smashed lumboo for a few more sixes.

    Kasim Sahab its not just LUMBOO (LOL @ your Amitabh Bachan comparison) analogy, after his success in Australia last year, he got a big offer from the IPL (US$900,000) and that went into his head, just like our druggie ASAF. And, because of his arrogance and lack of concentration Ishant Sharma isn’t so effective in NZ as he was in Australia. Secondly, the number of sixes that were scored on his bowling in NZ not only by Jesse but, Ross Taylor, Guptil and others may be its a nightmare for him. He was very expensive in the ODI’s and not so effective in the test. He needs an introspection or a slap! 😀

  276. #276 by Abdul on March 21, 2009 - 7:36 PM

    Let me return to LS with a “bang”. Below are some hemophones I could think of at the top of my head to impres the ever so wise and knowledgable Mr A Khan.

    Sea and see
    Red and read
    Thigh and tie
    Sport and support
    Wear and where
    Hair and here
    Gene(s) and jean(s)
    Weather and whether

    I have been watching some clips of Pakistan greats in action and it seems as if Rashid latif was the best wicket keeper we had. His reactions and reflexes were really sharp and his technique showed signs of a specialist in operation. As my coach says there is always the difference between a “stopper” and “keeper” and Rashid Latif certainly demonstrated he was natural KEEPING material. This position comes as a talent but also requires flexibility and patience. It’s one of the hardest arts in the game but arguably the best position to be situated as your always playing an active role in the game.

    I also saw videos of the fast bowler whose career seemed to be destroyed by sustaining a injury. Yes M.ZAHID. He was rapidr, arguably quicker than the Rawalpindi express.

    Talking of the “actor” I also got some visual aids of him bowling tot the peak of this prime. GEEE he was lethal. His toe crushing inswinging yorkers were simply unplayable especially against the likes of Newzeland. In the 99WC his rapidness was stealing the headlines. Another memorable period of his brilliance to cherish upon came in RSA home series in 03 when he was a driving force. He seemed to always be successful against India as well. The 05 series against England was another period of him showing his potential to the world and that Giles dismissal in the Multan test was simply one of the most lethal and greatest deliveries in cricket’s history ever.

    Waqar Younis was another pleaure to watch, he was never as pacy but the amount of swing he could apply in the air was astonishing, especially with the holder ball. He had the ability to “floor” batsmen bowling that full swinging length. This dream attacks stump cart wheeling montage was an overwhelming sight of perfection for one to admire upon. This was the golden age of Pakistan cricket but currently both the talent and passion seems to have let loose. Controversies and international humiliation is also playing a constructive role in this decline. Least to mention the political and domestic turmoil which never helps and further dents the country’s reputation from an outsider’s perspective.

    Au revior

  277. #277 by Abdul on March 21, 2009 - 7:42 PM

    TV REFERRALS ???????????

    The most recent legislation introduced of TV referrals came as a debatable move. Players, experts, commentators and fans are widely divided upon the move. During this thread I’d like to forward my recommendations on the matter but firstly allow me to take this opportunity to analyse the various disputes surrounding the dilemma.

    The regulation stated: “If there was enough convincing evidence the on field decision could be over turned”. As M . Atherton so correctly mentioned on commentary if we wanted to invest in technology we must trust and rely on the devices available to the full and make the decisions accordingly to the technology and simply ignore the disturbing evidence theory.

    However one has to consider the amount of time lost in the match. Also in a way it takes the authority of the standing umpire making their position a laughing stock which is rather pointless.

    But we have to take into account that the sport industry is modernising and therefore why shall cricket not utilise the variety of resources available? Plus don’t we want to make decisions correctly to satisfy everyone’s needs and prevent a dismissal frustration which could be constructive in the overall outcome?

    Overall I would like to draw a conclusion that players should not have any input what so ever on decision making as their function is to play and not question the gestures of umpires. Also with players input its taking valuable time out of the game. Although there is a limit this can be considered unfair as an obvious fault in decision making may have occurred and players weren’t able to refer. I feel that it should either be a private consultation with standing and 3rd umpire to double check decisions as that will be more logical and time saving i.e. the third umpire wants to double-check if the ball had pitched outside the line. Otherwise I don’t see the purpose and would want it to be scrapped by the administrators. It’s going to be highly controversial otherwise and develop into a nightmare for one to dispute upon.

  278. #278 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 21, 2009 - 8:08 PM

    Abdul Frenkly speaching I am empressed by your knolege of English and cricket both, especially your spin bowling abilities. I don’t see any loose word or a loose ball in your composition and your armoury of spin department you are axcelent. Man what aer your doing hear? Waisting your time and ernargy with mediocres like us.

  279. #279 by khansahab on March 21, 2009 - 8:24 PM


    Honestly, you have applied yourself impeccably and granted all of us vision before our eyes. I am ever so agree with you.

    Regurding Rashad Liteef, I am agree he was a flaxbal keeper who could satop the most difficalt delivery. Rashad was also a good batman. He is an aducated gentleman and is also running an ecedemy? Am you aware of that?

    Am you aware Rashad Liteef ecedemy produced grate players like Younas Khan, Danish Kiniria, Sohail Khan, Fuad Alam, Khurram Manzoor, Khalad Latif etc?

    I sport Rashad’s abilities at support, like crickat (Rashad can also palay support like fitball). Am you? Wonderful job, Rashad!

  280. #280 by khansahab on March 22, 2009 - 12:38 AM

    PCB asks Asif to pay Rs6.6m

    LAHORE: Fast bowler Mohammad Asif, who on Thursday met the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) committee probing his Dubai detention case, is not willing to pay a hefty bill of money the board says it spent during his custody in the Gulf emirate last year.

    In his Dubai detention case, Asif is expected to fight hard against the PCB bill of Rs6.6 million. The PCB had submitted a bill of the said amount, asking the bowler to pay it as the charges the board had spent on him during his detention in Dubai.

    According to the bill, sources said a hefty amount of Rs5.7 million had been paid to a lawyer in Dubai. Then Director Human Resources Nadeem Akram, who had been sacked by the current management, was sent to Dubai by the PCB for helping out the bowler.

    Nadeem hired the lawyer in Dubai, who charged heavily, without contesting the case. Furthermore, Nadeem was paid an amount of Rs350,000 as daily allowance for his stay in Dubai. Another amount of around Rs300,000 was also paid to the PCB lawyer Taffazzul Hussain Rizvi. However, sources said, Asif had been refusing to pay any amount, saying he was not consulted before hiring a lawyer in Dubai.

    He is further contending that he did not require the services of any lawyer until his case had not been sent to the court of law, after levelling charge sheet.

    The committee probing the lanky paceman’s case is headed by former Test captain Wasim Bari who is now acting as PCB Director Human Resources, and also includes board’s media director Asif Sohail and medical officer Dr Sohail Saleem.

  281. #281 by Mohammed Munir on March 22, 2009 - 11:04 AM


    More Bad News for World Cricket … As IPL to be Shifted to South Africa / England.

  282. #282 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 22, 2009 - 2:27 PM


    The IPL is in a mess now with talks of moving the venue from India to South Africa or England defeats the whole purpose of the IPL.
    Its not just the matches, it was an entertainment for the public in India. The government of India would have allowed it to happen had there been no Sri Lanka incident, but after the Sri Lanka incident in Lahore, they are not going to take chances on security issues.

    I think it is a good decision in the interest of the public and the NEAR death of International cricket in India. Because, if anything similar or remotely similar to that happens during the IPL, cricket in the sub-continent will be dead. Already Pakistan is going through this situation. Bangladesh mutiny has killed many people within the country and they too are afraid of hosting matches, the Pakistan tour has now been canceled officially. The Sri Lankan Tamil rebels and the guerrilla warfare is going on since ages and after the Lahore incident which is more like a precedent for the terrorists, who knows they might target the players? So, the game of international cricket in the sub-continent is dying and crying for help. The bloody politicians and the merciless terrorists are playing deadly games until and unless they stop it, the future of international cricket is very bleak, its on the brink of extinction.

  283. #283 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 22, 2009 - 2:34 PM


    The latest unconfirmed news from Pakistan is Ijaz Butt the Chairman of PCB is counting his days. The Senate Committee has asked for suspending Ijaz Butt’s term with immediate effect and asked Butt to appear before the committee within in one week for explanation. Earlier, Butt was big butting that he is not accountable to any Senate Committee except for the Patron in Chief which is the President of the country.

    The sooner this decision is taken in cleaning the Butt, or wiping it off, the better it is for Pakistan cricket. He is a lost case, a goner, a spent force and whoever made him the Chairman must also be fired. Butt has spend hundreds and thousands of US dollars in traveling to India, Australia, Dubai, England and SA and there was no need for him to travel first class and stay in 5 star hotels and spend the money like “Maal-e-Ghanimat”. Besides, when DNA left there were $30 million funds in the PCB coffers and now it is in negative, so what has he done with those millions?

  284. #284 by khansahab on March 22, 2009 - 10:54 PM

    I don’t know why the England team management is shifting the position of Owais Shah so much. He started playing at no 5 and he was pretty good, then he was promoted to no 3 and he was inconsistent for a while. He started feeling comfortable with no 3 and started scoring again and today he was demoted to no 4 and he scored 22.

    I support the view that players should be rotated at times because having a rigid batting order will not always work, but a balance needs to be achieved at the same time. I don’t think Shah has even played 25 ODI’s and he must have played at 4 different positions.

  285. #285 by Abdul on March 23, 2009 - 6:02 PM

    Regarding the IPL it was a golden opportunity for Pakistan to play T20 cricket with the world cup coming to England this summer and now with no political implication and speculations within India following that Mumbai catastrophic affair they ought to be able to participate in the buzz and glamour.

    I applaud the decisions in the circumstances as do the likes of SRK and Preity-the franchise owners. I would recommend Dubai over England but that is a personal choice. I feel in order for the intensity and anticipation to remain by the T20WC the IPL tournament won’t be an ideal scenario making matches overloaded and affect the audience’s interest in at least one affair. Also one shall consider venue shortages due to county cricket and the unpredictable weather conditions.

  286. #286 by Mohammed Munir on March 24, 2009 - 5:20 AM

    Listen to this one, Shoaib Actor wants to play IPL, now that it going to be played outside India.

    I know, Javed Khan and Khan Sahab would LOVE the idea 😉

  287. #287 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 24, 2009 - 12:55 PM

    Beggars are not choosers…………… but a few Pakistani cricketers wanna be choosers! Their gang leader i.e., their biggest Fuqra is that Actor. He wants to go and play for the IPL, “If called.” His ‘if’ will only be a dream. He is over the hill, a spent force, a liability and a drag in the team. Against Sri Lanka he gave 42 runs in 3 overs, so what can he do? Who would want him to be in their team?

    The other point is, whether the IPL is being played in India or outside India why should it be so important for them? Money speaks? Yes, for them money comes first, national honour, pride and integrity comes after. It is not just the security risk that kept the Pakistanis away from the IPL, but it is the strained relationship between the two countries at the moment. India refused to send their team to Pakistan, they may justify it now after the Sri Lankan team attack in Lahore but, thats not the point. The point is as long as the relationship at the diplomatic level are not sorted out, they should not be participating in any Indian event.

    Mr. Chidambaram has yesterday issued an advisory to ALL Indians to stay away from Pakistan as it is not safe for them. He even called Pakistan “A Failed State” things are getting flared up, tensions are high and Shoaib Akhtar wants to sit in the same bunker? It shows how selfish, unpatriotic and greedy he is. Is he going to improve the relationship between the two countries or, is he an ambassador of Pakistan? If he thinks he is an ambassador of the country then, how many times has he made Pakistan proud?

    1. By getting involved in drugs. (Nandrolone)
    2. By Beating Asif in the dressing room with a cricket bat in South Africa.
    3. By arguing loudly with Bob Woolmer in front of the TV camera in South Africa.
    4. On top of that he is a chucker….not to mention his extra curricular activities on official tours.

  288. #288 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 24, 2009 - 2:40 PM

    IPL will now be played in South Africa – is final !

    With this latest announcement that the IPL will be played in South Africa, other than the questions of players participation, there is another important question that is worrying a lot of people around the globe and i.e., about the TV rights and viewing of the matches live on TV. Supersport is holding the rights to the IPL as well as international cricket in SA and whether it will share with Sky and CBN (Caribbean Network) is a big question that is to come out in a few days time.

  289. #289 by Awas on March 24, 2009 - 5:10 PM


    Due to some personal stresses exacerbated by health problems, I’ve not been able to contribute lately. Hope to do so when things settle down.

    Thank you for thinking of me…

    I guess Theo is busy making money as US Government is showering so much money 🙂

  290. #290 by Abdul on March 24, 2009 - 5:14 PM

    Well it was never really going to be England in the hosting contest due to various interferences and hectic county schedules and there we have confirmation on that with sources from cricinfo etc indicating it was rewarded to RSA.

    Regarding TV coverage unless you were Sentanta sport subscribers we didn’t have any coverage in UK. Although it’s looking doubtful hopefully Sky can show the matches.

    Anyway I would just like Khansahab’s view on who was faster Rawalpindi express in his prime or M.Zahid ?

    Also how do u rate Pakistan’s chances in the T2OWC? I say get back the expertise of the ICL kilari as they are synthetic prospects for the format and have developed valuable experience otherwise without that buzz and fire power winning is a distant dream of which each and every one us can agree to.

    Although I with all my knowledge assure Khansahab that Imran Tahir is the best Pakistani (related) spinner currently he still seems to criticise and disagree with my views. I bet he also feels that the best future prospect USMAN QADIR for Pakistan is favouritism due to Qadir’s inheritance but I can assure u for a fact as I know him personally that he’s immense and can be invincible. He extracts sharp turn with some unreadable mysteries. I’ve played against him as have the likes of the minimal club sides in Lahore and they encountered all sorts of problems when facing his guile and mystery. 5 years or so and he will be in the team I’m sure. Last year in the U15 WC he captained Pakistan very successfully to the grand final were they were defeated by the home side WI. Yes a bit of banter to conclude as they say he’s better than his old man

    Anyway let me also say that ipart from Tahir this is another spin prospect “TAHIR” of high potential. Tahir Khan of Karachi.

    A crafty off spinner with a good first class record. I suspect u would be critical as well but technically speaking he’s as good and effective as Saqlain. He certainly is unorthodox and mysterious and shall come into consideration for the national side.

    To conclude please read this article about the 6 foot 10 fast bowler from the NCA below. Is this a Joel Garner in the making?

    Moderator’s comments:

    Abdul, please note as a matter of policy we have removed the link you have posted here. Earlier we have advised you numerous times through email asking you, NOT to post the links of other cricket websites or blogs except for cricinfo on LS. If you do it next time, your entire comment will be deleted.

  291. #291 by Abdul on March 24, 2009 - 5:15 PM

    Awas check your inbox. Hope u get better soon.

  292. #292 by Theossa on March 24, 2009 - 6:13 PM

    Spin King Kong

    I think Khansahab is too naive to grasp the idea that Imran Tahir is still Pakistan related. Like you said he would think the best future prospect USMAN QADIR for Pakistan is favouritism. I am agree that Usman Qadir could be very immense and invincible but Khansahab will never am agree just because Abdul said so. He just opposes everything you present which you do with great research and based on your hand on spin expertise. I don’t have to tell you the reasons why because you already know he tries to compete with you!

    Javed A Khan

    Mr. Expert what you say now about the recent posts by Abdul? Aren’t those reflecting a great crafty writer and intellectual individual who has great knowledge about the game of cricket? Are you going to blame him again for copy and pasting posts from other individuals? I bet like Khnashab you’ll just look for a few spelling mistakes which to my understanding is just due to quick brain, eye, hand, and leg coordination. Also, Abdul has other things to do besides writing posts all the time like learning a few state-of-the-art deliveries.


    Good to see you and I hope you get back into action very soon.
    Btw, Abdul needs your support and guidance and I’m also tired of fighting stubborn Khansahab and Javed because they completely lost their vision in front of their eyes and always try to be critical of him.


    Your posts need a detailed response which I will do later 🙂 I’m still reading through all the posts though.

  293. #293 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 24, 2009 - 6:51 PM

    Wasim Akram is in Australia since the last 2 weeks, witnessing and commentating the women’s world cup. When Pakistan team was playing against England in the super sixes, he was seen with the team talking to them and, that was his first day in Australia thats why he was there, after that he has been in the commentary box or, seen with Indian team or other teams. Here is a link from cricinfo please at least take a look at the photo.

    Wasim Akram, as always he has put his mouth where the money is, or where he can get free publicity to get popular or get jobs and contracts in India by using his name. In that article, there is NOT a SINGLE WORD about Pakistan team, because he did not say anything about them. Agreed that Pakistan did not make it even to the semifinals but, they beat the West Indies team and prior to that they beat the Sri Lankan team, lost badly to all other teams including India. But, that doesn’t mean he should not mention a word about his own home team? He had a group picture taken with the Indian Team. Trying to be their Godfather and even more i.e., to get jobs and contracts.

    Other than his bowling Wasim Akram has never impressed me, in fact the more I see, hear about him the more I dislike him for he has no morals, no ethics, no patriotism. Everything he does is for is money and fame and that too by hook or by crook, like he did during his cricket career through betting, match fixing and using drugs. Thinking with a rationale and calm mind, I think it is a blessing that he is not coaching any of the Pakistani team – men, women, under 15, 17, 19 whatever. These youngsters should be far away from his shadow.

  294. #294 by khansahab on March 24, 2009 - 7:21 PM


    I am disagree with your constant efforts to insult my authority on this blog. Are you Abdul’s friend or something? Why am you always take his side on the blog?

    It seems you never am agree with anything that I say!

    I think I deserve a little more respect than that?

  295. #295 by Abdul on March 24, 2009 - 7:32 PM

    i didn’t make any grammetical efforts above because they would do it again so what’s the point ?

    Javed u don’t like wasim akram because u hate every single player in the game. I’d like to see you out there bowling reverse swinging yorkers to brian lara.

  296. #296 by Abdul on March 24, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    Oh no u don’t Khansahab. U always have from day 1 looked to insult my authority and start an anti-abdul association. So your in the wrong big time bro and why did u respond to my post on saturday like that why ?????????????/

  297. #297 by khansahab on March 25, 2009 - 12:35 AM

    Abdul you’re such a woman….

  298. #298 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 25, 2009 - 12:40 AM

    Abdul open your eyes and read the first line of the last paragraph of my comment, I wrote: “Other than his bowling Wasim Akram has never impressed me.” People are judged, loved, admired or hated by their character and not because of their bowling. The bowling or batting ends with the game, but a person’s character is for all times. Wasim Akram is a known gambler and a match fixer and he is also known to be a snub and a very greedy and a very unpatriotic person.

    Read Mohammad Akram’s comments, he along with a few other fast bowlers approached Wasim Akram and asked him very politely to give a few tips, he was very rude to them and he asked them to “buzz off.” Whereas, he was going head over heels in front of the camera in Australia, training Irfan Pathan and praising him endlessly. So, abdul if you want to admire his unpatriotic characteristics with no morals and no ethics, go ahead who is stopping you?

  299. #299 by Mohammed Munir on March 25, 2009 - 5:34 AM

    Awas …

    We always keep ‘thinking’ about, more often then it is expressed in words as a light written reminder here on LS.

    Good to hear from you after some time. I can well understand, after a ‘eat-all’ trip to Pakistan and due to weather changes, we all go through hard times, health wise as well as at work. I hope everything will be fine with you soon, Inshallah, and we would like to see you more often.

    Take care, and take some rest to ward off the stress.

    PS: You can watch, “My Cousin Vinny” once more to improve your mood 😉

    Theossa …

    Welcome back, Javed told me that you went to New York, so I hope you had a great time. Good to see you back, this blog was not the same without you. 🙂

    So how was ……….. the weather in New York? 😉

    While going through the comments, don’t miss my comment no. 389 @ V-Talk 8 page.

    About that ‘brutal law’ comment, well I am never in a hurry so you can take all the time you need and I will be all ‘ears’ 😉

    Aaeyo Ho Abhi, Baitho Tu Sahi
    Law Ki Batain, Rehney Du Abhi

  300. #300 by khansahab on March 25, 2009 - 7:26 PM


    Stop leaving abusive comments. They will never be allowed.

  301. #301 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2009 - 5:16 AM


    There is a general feeling among ALL the Indian cricket fans and a few other cricket lovers too that, its a real tragedy for the Indian spectators that owing to the security threat they have been robbed of an opportunity to see the 2nd IPL at home. What everyone have forgotten is the main objective of this tournament.

    When the IPL was launched the organizers of the tournament were bragging about how good an opportunity it will be for the young Indian cricketers to play along with the big international players and that was the main objective to breed, nurture and develop the young talent through this tournament. And, we have all seen that players like Ohja, Mishra, Jadeja, Yousuf Pathan etc., emerged as good prospects for India and they even got a chance to play for India in the international matches.

    Now, shifting of the venue to SA will give yet another opportunity for so many young Indian players who have never stepped outside India to play on the hard and bouncy wickets of South Africa. This will be like a bonus for them to learn how to play on hard and bouncy wickets as opposed to the flat tracks in India which mostly favours the spinners.

    So, ALL these people are making sad faces 😦 and considering IPL as their only source of entertainment must look at the broader and brighter side of the picture and must not let the main objective dwindle away or get out of focus. They can still watch the games live on TV and the time zones in South Africa are not so different from India as opposed to England. They don’t have to be selfish and look everything from their point of view. For all those young Indian players it will be a blessing to play in South Africa.

  302. #302 by khansahab on March 26, 2009 - 11:01 AM

    Ejaz Butt tenure may end abruptly

    The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) may soon see change in its top office as some sections of the government and other ruling establishments were not happy with the performance of incumbent chairman Ejaz Butt.

    Reliable sources in the government circle have told PTI that President Asif Ali Zardari, who is the chief patron of PCB, has been advised to replace Butt with a new chairman to bring about improvement in Pakistan cricket.

    “The word from the Presidency is that the President himself is not satisfied with the performance of Ejaz Butt,” the source said. Some controversial appointments and sackings by Butt, which were not the impartial ones, had also been brought to the notice of the President.

    The decisions include appointment of a 74-year-old, who was removed by the previous set-up, on an important position in the PCB, the source said.

    He said President Zardari would soon be looking at the prospective candidates to can take over as the PCB Chairman with Butt’s tenure now appears to be heading for an abrupt ending.

    “To make matters worse the Federal Sports Minister, Pir Aftab Shah Jillani and Farooq Naek, the Senate Chairman and other influential figures have also made it clear that Butt must go,” one source disclosed.

    He said number of factors had gone against Butt who came into power last year despite not being a front runner for the post after the resignation of Nasim Ashraf.

    “The President has conveyed to the influential figures of the ruling party who backed and supported the appointment of Butt as PCB Chairman that their choice was not a good one,” the source said.

    He said the President has been conveyed that Butt had failed to show the temperament and patience to deal with the crisis situations, a feeling shared by the federal sports minister.

    “The way Butt handled the situation after the attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore this month has left the ruling party unhappy.

    “Even the sports minister drew attention of President Zardari that the PCB chief didn’t even bother to address a press conference to clear the air on the day after the tragedy occurred,” the source said.

  303. #303 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2009 - 12:53 PM

    khansahab pls. read my comment number 314, wherein I wrote Butt Days are numbered.……….

    The appointment of Ijaz Butt as Chairman of the PCB was very mysterious. Anyone with a sane mind would not appoint an insane 74 year old jittery and temperamental person for the top post of the most lucrative organization in the country. He screwed up the whole cricket industry with his stupid actions. It was his duty to step in and say NO to the Lahore test after seeing what is going on in the city the Sri Lanka accident would have been averted, but BUTT wanted to prove it to the whole world that Lahore La’hore Hai, ithay kuch nai hona aye. The irony is, he is still hopeful that international teams would soon be coming to Pakistan to play in Pakistan.

    Enough of gyrating your ugly Butt, now wake up you old fart and pack your bags and empty out the big canister somewhere in outskirts of La’ hore and get relieved. Leave this job for some professional. Just because you were a test cricketer in 1928 and you are from Lahore doesn’t mean its your birth right to be the chairman of the PCB.

  304. #304 by khansahab on March 26, 2009 - 1:41 PM

    Former cricketer Ijaz Ahmed arrested in loan default case

    LAHORE: Former Pakistan batsman and member of the Pakistan Cricket Board’s national selection committee, Ijaz Ahmed was arrested in Lahore on Thursday.

    According to reports, Ahmed had defaulted on a loan taken from a foreign Islamic bank. He had reportedly taken a loan of ten million rupees and when the amount became due, he gave a cheque which bounced.

    The bank filed an FIR and Ahmed was arrested by the Gulberg police station.

    Ijaz Ahmed was one Pakistan’s most prolific middle-order batsmen and an exceptional fielder. He played 60 Test matches and 250 one-day internationals for Pakistan.

    Currently working as a fielding coach at the PCB’s National Cricket Academy (NCA) in Lahore, Ahmed was also temporarily made a member of the national selection committee but was later left out when the new, permanent committee was formed.

  305. #305 by Theossa on March 26, 2009 - 2:11 PM


    I am understand that Khansahab can act like Atif Hussain at times but I hope you did not try to post abusive comments. I like your polite comments that emphasize on cricket affairs.

  306. #306 by Ibrar Choudhary on March 26, 2009 - 2:23 PM

    I’m addicted to this site, 1st time commentator. Actually I like Mian Abdul’s comments on cricket. Was quite disappointing to hear about abusive language?

    Abdul come on show us you are better than these people and dont fall to using bad language.

  307. #307 by Abdul on March 26, 2009 - 5:09 PM

    Theossa here is something for u……

    Exciting move right?

  308. #308 by Theossa on March 26, 2009 - 7:32 PM


    Great job mate!


  309. #309 by Abdul on March 26, 2009 - 9:31 PM

    Pleasing news for Pakistani fans with ICL players on the brink of being re-called for national selection epsecially when the likes of Yousuf,Nazir and Rana are in the category considering to scrap their ICL contracts.

    Now my hope for Pakistan’s chances against Australia and T20WC has been restored !

  310. #310 by Abdul on March 27, 2009 - 5:03 PM

    Consolidating on the ICL lifting, Pakistan shall certainly benefit from their experience and expertise gained in the T20 format. But above all the ultimate feature which stands out is that they have the uniqueness, flamboyance and intensity to go the extra mile and re-light Pakistan cricket’s image on the global scale. In the last year Pakistan cricket seemed to be a lost soul which lacked valuable talent and that extra spice they were renowned for in order to become a competitive force.

  311. #311 by Abdul on March 27, 2009 - 5:14 PM

    Javed I agree with u about Indian players benefiting from playing in more challenging and testing conditions and will still be able to bond with international players in order to help raise their game to the next level. However one factor u may have missed about the whole IPL purpose was not only to help the development of Indian youth but also to provide an entertainment service to the patriotic cricket mad public. Will that buzz and electrifying atmosphere still be present in RSA? I doubt it so the morality could be lost in that sense.

    Also it was a “promotion” for India as a whole and help boost its dynamic economy. Now what good will these tournaments do from an economical perspective when it’s being played in RSA? So I agree with u that the players should take it as a golden opportunity to play in different conditions. However, when talking from a spectators and economical viewpoint it can be regarded as lusty loss.

  312. #312 by Abdul on March 27, 2009 - 5:32 PM

    I actually want to make a remark about Pakistan cricket here and that being that they will seize this IPL as a different opportunity of international participation and wealth now it’s being played outside India.

    Although I applaud the ICL kilari to SCRAP their ICL contracts I still nevertheless would like to see the league receive international recognition as it’s another great advert for the game and development of youth. I don’t blame the Pakistani players to sign the ICL in the first place as the board was treating them as an utter disgrace and of course there were many internal disputes amongst players at the time. But now with a new captain and management the team is looking a much better resource for respect of elderly greats and upbringing of star studded youth. The balance of experience and youth shall be there in dressing room as well as the player unity and energetic determination to succeed.

  313. #313 by Abdul on March 27, 2009 - 8:30 PM

    Javed bhai your comments on Wasim Akram can be very easily explained. It is a competitive world out there and professional’s looks to compete for a place in the national side. Akram was a fine seam bowler but what playing in an era of excellence and therefore was never really going to be able to fulfil his potential and handful of games. Ideally Wasim should have taken it better but even when I play at club cricket due to competition I try to avoid giving any tips to younger spinners or other people my age who ask how to bowl a certain delivery.

    It’s not as easy as u may think because it’s similar to your “blog business secrets “on which you have been resounding and successful but still u are reluctant to reveal due to competition and apply tight restrictions on that even though people value u as successful and rate u fondly. Right? Think of it in that sense and this theory may make sense.

  314. #314 by khansahab on March 27, 2009 - 10:21 PM


    Wasim played in the era of excellence and your comment no 346 is the epitome of excellence because it is insightful and enlightening. Enlightening in the sense of that it can put vision before the eyes of a blind person.

    I like your wit about mentioning our blog secrets and to be fair to you, I am quite agree.

  315. #315 by Abdul on March 29, 2009 - 9:24 AM

    Salman Butt has been on fire throughout the tournament but this is something extraordinary 95 of 25 balls….

    Elsewhere Imran Farhat has been striking some form with Afridi but take a look and LOL at Kaneria and anyone who thinks he can play ODI cricket!

    I’m wondering what shall be the opening combination. I think Pakistan should experiment in the trio of Butt/Nazir/Farhat for ODI cricket.

    Bowling wise the spinners are dominating the headlines which suggests there’s a lot of talent in that department than the sole operator Kaneria. Certainly the likes of Yasir Shah or Tahir Khan shall be striving for a place in the national side.

  316. #316 by khansahab on March 29, 2009 - 9:40 PM


    Yeah, looks like the recession is affecting ICL and I also feel that the interest has deteriorated after 26/11.

    I think I saw you mention on Pakspin about which ICL players can actually feature in Pakistan’s line up. Apart from Yousuf, I don’t think anyone. In T20 Imran Nazir and Rana Naved should probably get a chance.

    Otherwise I don’t see any decent player in ICL. I think Razzaq is a mediocre player compared to current international standards. His bowling, fielding, batting, nothing is good enough to match international standards and that makes him a complete liability because he can neither bat, nor bowl.

    If you compare him with Afridi, Afridi is a handy bowler and he is a decent fielder. He is also a good motivator and some guys just like to have him in the team because they feel energised and committed in Afridi’s presence.

    Have you seen Younis’s latest interview where he has said he will opt for experience over youth in the series against Australia? I respect Younis for his humble beginnings and good overall nature, but I think he is a bit too obsessed with this whole experience mumbo jumbo. Experience doesn’t mean you keep on playing people like Kaneria, Akmal and Faisal Iqbal who are below average performers. Akmal in fact is a total liability.

  317. #317 by Mohammed Munir on March 30, 2009 - 11:30 AM

    Miandad back as director general PCB

    Former test captain Javed Miandad rejoined the Pakistan Cricket Board as director general Monday after meeting with the chairman Ijaz Butt.

    ‘It was a very cordial meeting and he is back as director general,’ Butt told The Associated Press after his meeting with Miandad.

    Miandad quit in January citing his ‘limited role’ in the PCB.

    ‘Now everything is settled and I am happy to be back in the cricket board,’ Miandad said.

    Domestic media reported that Miandad was not happy with his salary package when he stepped down two months ago. However, he said Monday that money was not the issue.

    ‘Salary was never the issue and I just want to work for the betterment of Pakistan cricket,’ Miandad said. ‘There are lots of things which need to be done – like how to revive international cricket back in Pakistan and how we could make our domestic cricket more competitive.’

    Butt also did not reveal how much the PCB would pay Miandad, but said the return of the former national team’s captain and coach was a positive change for the game.

    Salary is ‘a confidential matter between the two parties, but the good thing is that he is back with us,’ Butt said.

    Miandad – who has had three stints as Pakistan coach – is Pakistan’s highest runscorer in test matches with 8,832 runs in 124 tests. He played 233 limited-overs internationals, making 7,381 runs.

    Miandad was one of the six former test cricketers appointed by Butt after he took over as chairman PCB in October last year.

    Salim Altaf (chief operating officer), Wasim Bari (manager human resources), Aamir Sohail (director national cricket academy), Abdul Qadir (chief selector) and Intikhab Alam (coach) were the others.

    Butt admitted last month there were procedural flaws in the appointment of Miandad.

    He had also claimed that Miandad was interfering in selecting the national team and had also asked for a salary of 1.6 million rupees ($20,000) as opposed to the 500,000 rupees ($6,300) offered in the contract.

    Miandad subsequently showed a contract letter – circulated in the PCB headquarters at Lahore on Dec. 4 – to Pakistan’s lawmakers during last month’s meeting of the senate’s standing committee on sports.

    According to the letter, directors of game development, international cricket operations, domestic cricket operations, national team coach, manager and chairmen of national junior and senior selection committees all were supposed to report to Miandad.

    However, when the contract was formalized, Miandad was made head of domestic cricket operations and department of game development and had a lower level of responsibility.

    The lawmakers suggested Butt and Miandad meet to resolve the matter.


  318. #318 by Abdul on March 31, 2009 - 4:06 PM

    Omer here is my team :

    Imran Nazir
    Imran Farhat
    Younis Khan
    Mohammed Yousuf
    Fawad Alam ( young blood)
    Shahid Afridi
    Kamran Akmarl / Humayn Farhat
    Rana Naved
    Sohail Tanvir
    Umar Gul
    Yasir Shah / Tahir Khan


    Shahid Yousuf
    Sohail Khan/Sami

  319. #319 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 31, 2009 - 4:16 PM

    Omar, have you noticed that abdul is trying to please you by omitting Shoaib Malik’s name from his team? Is this a bait to lure you or is it a Paradigm Shift?

  320. #320 by Theossa on March 31, 2009 - 4:25 PM


    I am totally agree with your selection. You have a keen eye for talent and you got the right composition of the team! Oh boy, Imran Nazir, what a clean hitter, if you ask me he should play T20s, ODIs, and tests as well. But I would see what format you recommend; after all you have the hand on experience unlike the rest of us who just suggest without much logic or technicality.

  321. #321 by Abdul on March 31, 2009 - 8:13 PM

    Yeah I agree all the way about Nazir Theo. He is a stylish attacking opener and seems to be one of those players that once gets going can be invincible ,undefeatable and simply dominate proceedings single handily which is a true pleasure to watch and admire. I know as bowler that u feel your teeth chattering and nerves shaking when you face up to an aggressive batsman of such calibre as much as it can be an overwhelming sensational feature when u dismiss them and claim a mighty break though. But I’m in the view that your require uniqueness and intensity to be successful.

    As regards to S.yousuf Mr Sahab also criticised my comment saying that he was an average candidate. But I’m telling you that his technique is out of the textbook which shows signs of true batsmen with potential. For heaven sake u can’t just rely on statistical data as it doesn’t provide an overall picture of one’s capability. Can U ? Even the likes of Imran Khan and Ramiz Raja have quoted that he’s an Inzamam in the making !

  322. #322 by khansahab on April 1, 2009 - 10:00 AM


    Your require uniqueness and intensity to be successful”, but you also need to have brains like Dhoni and/or be multi talented like Afridi if you are an attacking cricketer. Otherwise you will just be like Imran Nazir, who on his day can be invincible but has nothing else to boast about.

    Afridi is more consistent than Imran Nazir and Imran Nazir in ODI’s is like how Afridi was during his worst form. Afridi has a wider range of shots as well.

    Shahid Yousuf is a mediocre batsman. Abdul, I am agreed you can’t rely on statistical data all the time but you have to average at least 35+ in List A and first class cricket to be declared competent.

    LOL, I don’t know where you read Imran Khan saying Shahid Yousuf is an Inzamam in the making. He has been playing domestic cricket for 8 years and he has shown no great capability thus far. In the ICL, Rana Naved, Hasan Raza, Hafeez Khalid, Farhat, Nazir, Inzamam- all of these players batted better than S Yousuf. I saw Yousuf in ICL and although he has a good stance and good footwork, he has problems with timing and shot selection.

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