I don't know why we are loosing but I am happy

I don't know why we are loosing but I am happy

Younus Khan refused to captain the Pakistan side twice by saying:  “I don’t want to be a dummy captain.” On paper and in theory it sounded very impressive that this man has the guts to say that he does not like to be under someone’s thumb.

Now, what made him change from refusing to be a dummy and acting like a dummy? It is very obvious from his statements to the media, pre and post match comments that he wants to keep the whole world happy. He has clearly mentioned that he cannot drop Misbah and Malik despite the fact they are not performing well, especially Misbah simply because one is a former captain and the other is a vice captain and if he does that, the media will be after him. It means he is scared of the media and not doing justice with team selection.

By now even a school kid who plays cricket can say with authority that the UAE pitches are favouring spin bowling. Australia’s weakness is spin bowling, Pakistan’s weakness is its batting. Pakistan has the advantage of strengthening its batting and spin bowling department by including Fawad Alam in the team. He has been in the squad only to sit on the bench or we saw him as a 12th man in the 4th ODI.

Australian batsmen are used to playing fast bowlers, as they have one of the best fast bowling battery in their team and they are not afraid of fast bowling. But, they are finding it extremely difficult to handle Afridi and Ajmal, even Malik bowled well in the 3rd ODI. So, any dummy captain would notice this weakness and take advantage of the situation. But, Younus Khan in his pursuit to keep the whole world happy is blinded by his goody, goody nature.

He has become a laughing stock among the commentators and cricket fans that you ask Younus Khan, ‘how are you?’ He would reply.  ” I am happy, I am always happy, no matter what I am happy.” It is good that you are a happy go lucky (rather unlucky so far) person, but on the ground you have to be firm and tolerate no nonsense from any player who under performs or play below par.

Just because Shoaib Akhtar is a senior player and carries a lot of clout behind him and in the 4th ODI he took two wickets in his first two overs, he got a free hand after that, he was clearly out of breath and couldn’t maintain his line and length and in the fielding department he was making a mess of the situation and Younus Khan was seen laughing at his pathetic fielding. This is not what you expect from a good captain. If you can’t admonish him on the field, take action against him later and drop him from the playing XI.

Misbah out of form

Misbah out of form

Mishab is totally out of form like he was for the rest of his life prior to the T20 WC stint. In the 4th ODI, he was out first ball, but umpire Aleem Dar said, he couldn’t hear the nick and did not give him out. Despite a life Misbah continued his poor form, played a very slow innings and scored 30 odd runs.

Younus Khan’s own batting form is simply pathetic he has not been able to score in any match during this series and yet he has the audacity and the cheek to say, ‘we are learning.’  Learning how to loose? This is pathetic.  Malik was heavily criticized for saying the same thing after loosing a match, ‘we are learning’ and the irony is they also call themselves as professionals.

I am so happy that I don't mind throwing away my wicket

I am so happy that I don't mind throwing away my wicket

Professionals don’t learn at this level, the deliver and the Pakistani captains consider these international matches as a learning place? It is indeed very pathetic.

During this series Shahid Afridi not only performed well with ball and bat, but he was seen encouraging, cheering, bucking up every single player. In fact he took the lead role which Younus Khan and Misbah are supposed to do. He was going with the bowlers before their run up and talking to them. He was seen congratulating Ajmal, Malik, Akhtar and even Akmal whenever they took a wicket or a catch. He was also seen very upset at Shoaib Akhtar’s lazy running in fetching the ball and clearly gave him the message that he is not happy with his fielding.



This is how a captain must be leading from the front and not just laughing, smiling and saying I am happy. May be you are trying to cover your embarrassment or may be you are really happy but the Pakistani public and fans are not happy upon loosing 3 matches in a row. The second ODI was given away to the Australians in a platter. After a 95 run opening partnership the team collapsed like a house of cards. Its a shame that none of the batsmen played well.

The question is, is Pakistan going to look for another captain? Or, are they will keep Younus Khan who says he is not a dummy captain, but certainly acting like one. Or, if they decide to replace him, who would be the new captain? There is no one better than Shahid Afridi not just because of his seniority but because of his temperament and his ability to lead from the front and his proven domestic record speaks in volumes. Therefore, it is about time for Pakistan to give Shahid Afridi a chance to lead the team Pakistan in the forth coming T20 World Cup. And Younus Khan is definitely a misfit for T20 and so is Salman Butt.  May be Younus Khan should lead the test side but, if that is going to effect his batting then he should better not lead the test team as well.

What are your views on Younus Khan’s Captaincy, please go ahead and speak your heart out.  For sure, my vote is for Afridi.

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  1. #1 by Abdul on May 2, 2009 - 8:49 AM

    Guys can we put a line under the sarcasm:”I am so happy that I don’t mind throwing away my wicket”. This just sounds unprofessional and unrealistic. This is what people with little knowledge of the game imply and u are so blatantly better than that.

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  2. #2 by Abdul on May 2, 2009 - 8:56 AM

    This defeat deserves the team right. They were below par and the team selection was poor for one to express interest or passion over.We will need Yousuf back in the future and I am agree to what others are saying on this plateform about “young blood” Fawad Alam. He certainly should be in that line up ASAP. One word to describe this team selection process and that being MEDIOCRITY.

  3. #3 by Abdul on May 2, 2009 - 9:03 AM

    AS regards to Younis bhai’s captaincy I still feel he has the credentials to succeed in the future despite this series defeat and personal form. The morality is no one can be perfect on every occasion and bad form occurs even by the best. So let’s remain supportive and hopeful over his authority.

  4. #4 by khansahab on May 2, 2009 - 5:13 PM

    Younus failing to inspire Pakistan, says Raja

    Saturday, 02 May, 2009 |

    ABU DHABI: Former captain Ramiz Raja Saturday said Younus Khan was not on form and failing to inspire a struggling Pakistan with Australia commanding an unassailable lead in their one-day series.

    The current Pakistan captain has not been in the best of form, scoring just 46 runs in the first four matches of the series as Australia took a 3-1 lead ahead of the last match here on Sunday.

    He scored 11 in Pakistan’s hard-fought four-wicket win in the first match in Dubai. Raja said a batsman captain must score to inspire his team’s batting.

    ‘The most worrying thing is that Younus has not been in the best of form. He is averaging below 10 in one-dayers in 2009, so it is not inspiring his batsmen and Younus must lift his batting to inspire his struggling batting,’ said Raja, now a commentator.

    ‘In a nutshell, it (captaincy) comes in a package. You learn a lot of things which include team selection, strategies and pre-match planning and Younus will learn with time,’ said Raja.

    He said Younus should learn from his Australian counterpart Michael Clarke, who hit a match-winning 100 not out to steer Australia to a comfortable eight-wicket win over Pakistan in the fourth match here on Friday.

    ‘I think Younus must learn from Clarke,’ he said. ‘Clarke has led the batting from the front and although he struggled in the second match he remained stuck there and has been shouldering the batting since then, while Younus has not managed a big score,’ said Raja.

    Clarke also hit a fighting 66 and took three wickets to help Australia beat Pakistan by 27 runs in the third match here on Monday.

    He managed 39 in the second match played in Dubai, which Australia won by six wickets last week.

    Younus replaced Shoaib Malik, who was sacked following Pakistan’s 2-1 defeat against Sri Lanka in February this year.

    Raja suggested Younus leave the burden of captaincy behind whenever he goes out to the crease.

    ‘He is Pakistan’s best and the senior most batsman, so what I would suggest is that when he goes out to bat he must think as a batsman and should not take the burden of captaincy.’

  5. #5 by khansahab on May 2, 2009 - 5:33 PM

    Javed A Khan has hit the nail on the head by saying that Younis is being exactly what he said he would not be- a dummy captain.

    I am not that concerned about Younis’s batting performance because he has a weakness against Australia, it’s some kind of mental barrier. I am also not concerned about his field placements because he is aggressive in field setting generally, unlike Malik who was very defensive.

    His main problem is rigid team selection and bowling changes. It seems he is too scared to fully utilise Ajmal and Afridi. He needs to give Afridi 10 overs in a single spell if the situation demands it.

    I had a feeling that Younis would be like this when I saw his interview last year, months before he became captain. He spoke about the need to have experienced players in the team and when he was asked about Akmal’s terrible keeping form and why he was not being replaced by Sarfraz, he said that he would rather have Akmal over Sarfraz because the former is more experienced and also a better batsman.

    Younis’s comments that his team is learning from Australia, and that he is happy regardless of the result of this series, are even more stupid than Shoaib Malik’s statements as captain. And at least Malik had the guts to go against Afridi, a senior player, even when Afridi was performing OK. Younis is too scared to upset Malik and Misbah by resting them even when they are totally out of form.

    Since the first match I was upset at Younis for ignoring Fawad Alam, but after his interview 2 days ago when he made 3 crucial statements, I can’t speak of his name with respect. I am referring to the following statements:

    “I am happy…..I don’t care what the result of the series is……we are learning….”

    “I can’t drop Misbah because he is the vice captain”

    “I can’t drop Malik because then the media will say I dropped a former captain”.

    This attitude is unacceptable. My opinion of Younis Khan has totally changed in the space of one week. Being a nice guy is one thing, being a coward and an unfair person is something else (unfair to Fawad Alam and other youngsters who should have been included in the squad).

    So I agree with Javed A Khan that Younis deserves the axe and Afridi needs to be made captain for all formats. Let him play Test cricket, his commitment and motivation skills will surely make him more valuable to the team than these cowards and selfish players.

    Younis’s attitude cannot take Pakistan forward. If he is too scared to drop senior players, he will never be a good captain. There is too much politics and licking-arse-of-senior-player culture in the Pakistan team which is the bane of Pakistan cricket. If Misbah and Malik were playing for India, Australia, England or any other nation, they would have been dropped after 3 matches.

  6. #6 by khansahab on May 2, 2009 - 5:55 PM

    Calf injury rules Pakistan’s Afridi out of fifth match

    6 hours ago

    ABU DHABI (AFP) — Shahid Afridi’s calf injury has ruled him out of Pakistan’s fifth one-day match against Australia here on Sunday, but he will be available for next week’s Twenty20 match, manager Yawar Saeed said on Saturday.

    The 29-year-old all-rounder twisted his foot and could only bowl seven of his allotted ten overs during Pakistan’s eight-wicket defeat against Australia in the fourth match here on Friday.

    Team manager Saeed said Afridi had an MRI scan which revealed only a sprain and there was no muscle tear.

    “Afridi has a calf problem and had an MRI which is clear,” Saeed told AFP. “He only has a muscle sprain which will take 24 hours to heal, so he will not play on Sunday but will be available for the May 7 match.”

    The injury to Afridi was initially seen as the latest blow to Pakistan who have already handed Australia an unassailable 3-1 lead in the five match series.

    The only Twenty20 match will be played in Dubai on May 7.

    Afridi took a career-best 6-38 to help Pakistan win the first match against Australia in Dubai last week. He has so far scored 5642 runs in 275 one-day matches, besides taking 253 wickets.

  7. #7 by khansahab on May 2, 2009 - 6:02 PM

    Afridi has been ruled out of the 5th match. I wonder if there is any realistic chance that is left so that the team management can exclude Fawad from the playing XI?

    They are left with a squad of 14 after Jamshed left. Now Afridi is injured, so 13 players are left including Fawad. They might decide to play Tanvir and Arafat both, that is the way they can get an XI without Fawad Alam.

    Anything can happen in Pakistan cricket, especially anything regarding excluding some specfic players. So I am fully prepared to see this following line up playing tomorrow’s match:


  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 2, 2009 - 6:23 PM

    khansahab: Ramiz Raja will take his Baja and peeto it very loudly against Younus Khan because his Girayeen, Shoaib Malik had to give up the captaincy on the same pretext and now Younus Khan himself is not performing as a batsman and as a captain both, to me this is not a surprise – neither Younus’s performance – nor Raja’s Phutta Baja.

    I have been saying from the beginning that YK is not the right choice, or the automatic choice or as Imran Khan says in his Gospel, ‘the logical choice to lead Pakistan.’ I have also been raving and ranting from Bob Woolmer days i.e., when YK used to sit next to him while he was not in the playing XI and with constant buttering and Chaaploosing he got a few chances and he failed until the lady luck smiled at him at the Eden Gardens, Kolkata and since then Younus is happy 😀 like this :D, like this 😀

    In short I have never approved or supported the view of making Younus Khan the captain, he is a good test player since Kolkata and his confidence got a big boost since then, but somehow his magic has remained only in the test arena and he has failed in ODI and T20 and we need to accept that.

    In the previous T20 WC, Younus Khan was responsible to get Imran Nazir run out. Knowing that Imran Nazir had a cramp or a pulled muscle and was unable to run, he was denied of a runner because the injury was old, so it was Younus responsibility to take care of him as a senior player, instead after blocking 4 dot balls he ran for a single which was not there and the limping Nazir could not make it to the crease. Otherwise, he was still playing very well and the way he hammered SreeSanth was incredible. I remember Awas’s comment when he wrote here on LS, “I liked the way he hammered that monkey.” Actually, I like the way Harbhajan treated him. 😀 That’s what he deserved in the beginning, but it is never too late, he is a sober person since that slap.

    Anyways, the point is how long the PCB selectors will take in making a right decision, in choosing the right captain? Neither Malik, nor Younus Khan are captaincy material, they both don’t have the guts to deal with the senior players. Although khansahab says that Malik had the guts to go against Afridi, the reason being Malik feared that Afridi might replace him so he wanted to get rid of him. Whereas, Younus Khan is not afraid of Shoaib Akhtar or Malik and Misbah taking his place. He is afraid of totally different reasons, he cares too much about his reputation. Like I have said before, he wants to keep the whole world happy and thinks the only way to do that is by being happy, saying I am happy.

    Malik and Younus Khan both have said that after all cricket is only a game it is not your life or, if you stop playing it is not the end of the world. Yes we know that and, in India they say cricket is their religion and Pakistanis say that cricket is their passion. So, when you play a game, play it with passion and not for diplomacy and bhai-chaar-gee. On the ground treat your opponent as your opponent and not like he is one of your own. Outside the ground you can be friends and have good relations, but definitely not on the ground. Even when you deal with your own players, give them the carrot and wherever necessary give them the stick. There is an expression in Urdu and that is about raising kids, and it does apply in cricket or any team game too.

    “Khilao Sonay ka Niwala
    Dekho Sher ki nazar say.”

  9. #9 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 2, 2009 - 6:33 PM

    The way Afridi was reacting by lying on the ground and was seen limping out of the ground, I wrote in the previous thread that Afridi will not play the 5th ODI, but hopefully he will be in the T20 game! Now, that he is out of the 5th ODI for sure, there will be more pressure on the selectors to include Fawad Alam in the team and they will be real Ch2So4 if they exclude him and get Rao Ifti in his place.

    Actually, Actor was totally unfit after the first 2 overs. He did get the only two wickets that feel but it wasn’t that he bowled great. The first ball had Hadding left it would have been a wide, but he poked his bat to get out. The second LBW was a bit doubtful to me. Never mind the two wickets how he got it, but after 2 overs he was out of steam and he was seen huffing and puffing and was unable chase the ball, he was rolling like a big fat bear without any speed or even the desire to stop the ball before it reaches the boundary. So, he should not play the next match. But, he will play because that is the kinda lobby behind him.

    In my opinion he should not have been in the squad at least Sohail Khan or any other fast bowler would have been selected and got a chance to play and prove his worth. But, this the mentality of the selectors and the current captain that he wants to play him when he is 19.5% fit.

  10. #10 by Awas on May 2, 2009 - 8:34 PM

    Let’s face it; it is too early to pass a reasonable judgement on YK on his captaincy. How many matches has he captained so far since his appointment?

    As far as batting failure is concerned, form is temporary, class is permanent. Many players like Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly etc have suffered from a longish dry run. Inzamam once had a pretty miserable world cup in SA where he couldn’t even score a few runs in any game. Then he even seeked help from the great Vivian Richards but to no avail. People just tend to be too judgemental too quickly. So, patience 🙂

    The one thing that I find hard to believe is that YK has no guts. Neither his record nor his demeanour indicates that notion. Preference for experienced senior players hardly means that. We all know, after their poor form, many were asking for Dravid, Ganguly and Tendulkar’s chop but they nevertheless persisted with them and were proved right. The likes of Malik and Misbah are no way near in that league and no one will rue their absences either but that’s all Pakistan has got when looking for experienced players.

    Javed, LOL @ your mention of monkey business and the joke on V-talk.

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 2, 2009 - 8:45 PM

    Awas: The criticism on Younus Khan is fair. By all means we want to be impartial and fair. If we were critical of Malik, Younus Khan is not a rishtaydaar or just because he is a Pathan and we want to spare him on the basis of brotherhood or Girayeenbandi, NO. And, YES, form is temporary and class is permanent. However, if you look at his ODI and T20 record it is mediocre whereas, his test averages are impressive. So, the criticism on Younus Khan is based on the facts and not because of his personality. However, it is also a fact that he has become a bit too soft since he became the captain. A captain has to be a bit strict and professional, which he is not. So, he is not spared from our criticism. Even if Afridi becomes the captain and if he too behaves stupid or, performs badly then he will not be spared from criticism no one is above the standards of the game, which has to be maintained at a certain level. Anyone performs below that for a continuous long period of time, deserves a break.

  12. #12 by khansahab on May 2, 2009 - 8:53 PM

    Shoaib Akhtar should retire now: Tauqir Zia

    Updated at: 1620 PST, Saturday, May 02, 2009

    KARACHI: Former chairman Pakistan Cricket Board Taqir Zia said that ‘Rawalpindi Express’ Shoaib Akhtar should retire from cricket now and it would be better if he focus his attention on coaching of young players.

    Talking with Geo News, Tauqir Zia said that this is the best time for him in his career to call it a day because he is now part of the team and if he quits cricket then his fans would remember him in good words.

    Tauqir Zia said that Younis Khan has taken the captaincy very seriously and got it over his nerves.

    He said that coach Intikhab Alam had no plan regarding the match and the team’s poor performance is its clear evidence.

  13. #13 by Awas on May 2, 2009 - 9:03 PM


    But the fact remains it is too early to pass a reasonable judgment on YK on his captaincy or his guts. That was the main point of my comment. “…the basis of brotherhood or Girayeenbandi” was never in my mind. So, fair comment but different angle.

    Besides, if he is gutless then he is not a Pathan 🙂

  14. #14 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 10:49 AM

    No Fawad Alam again. Afridi is playing.

    The PCB needs to arrange an inquiry to investigate what politics is going on and why Younis is destroying Fawad’s career. Younis should be held accountable to the whole country for this stupidity.

  15. #15 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 1:20 PM

    I have no doubt that the middle order batsmen are scared of Fawad Alam.

    Malik is scared because he knows Fawad is better than him in every way.

    Younis is scared because he does not have a great record in ODI’s and Fawad can replace him.

    Misbah is scared because he has been in partnerships with Fawad and Fawad has outperformed him.

    Yousuf was also unhappy when Fawad was involved in a brief partnership with him in a match against India. That is because he could see Fawad is fitter, younger and with a good head on his shoulders.

  16. #16 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 3, 2009 - 1:36 PM

    If Afridi is not fully fit he shouldn’t have playing. One of the arguments by the selectors is, if Akhtar is perpetually unfit and he is playing so, why not others? That’s wrong. I think Fawad Alam should have been included in the team at least in place of Yasir Arafat. Because, Younus Khan does not want to drop totally unfit Akhtar and wants to retain Afridi despite the fact he is not fully fit.

    The way Akhtar bowled today, was expected he was lucky to have got the two wickets in the previous match and today he was hammered all over the park by the openers. They were scoring more than 7 runs in the first 8 overs. The spinners got control especially Ajmal and Afridi. Malik is a bit wayward and gave more runs than the other two spinners. As I say this he just got Symonds, that was a lazy shot from Symonds and he crashed the ball on to his stumps and Malik is delighted.

    Whats on with Watson he is playing like a pillar since the last match and today he is so determined to stay and score a well deserved 100.

  17. #17 by Awas on May 3, 2009 - 1:49 PM


    I admire your passion for Fawad…you can make a good agent for him 🙂

    Of all the scaredy-cats you mentioned, do you really expect one of them to voluntarily make way for Fawad? I don’t think anyone in their right mind would voluntarily vacate a place.

    The blame only goes to selection committee that includes the captain, they should defiantly have given Fawad a decent run. So, here I say again – inexplicable!

  18. #18 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 2:01 PM

    What a shocking throw to Ajmal and how did Ajmal make a mess of it!

    Totally unprofessional cricket.

    You can call it passion or lobbying; I am really fed up of this whole politics. Maybe people feel I am obsessed with Alam, but my response to that is that maybe I am the one who wants to see the team perform, the most.
    Misbah and Malik are batting pathetically and a change is needed. They have crossed all boundaries, and ignoring Fawad Alam is tantamount to evil and/or stupidity now.

  19. #19 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 2:03 PM

    Have you seen how Misbah has fielded and how pathetic his body language is on the field?

    His batting is affecting his fielding too, and yet he is being persisted with.

  20. #20 by Awas on May 3, 2009 - 2:07 PM


    Did you only read my first line?

    There was much more I said.

  21. #21 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 2:09 PM


    My impassioned comment was not directly in response to you although I addressed you.

    I am sorry to give that impression!

  22. #22 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 2:11 PM

    On other cricket forums people have been echoing my sentiments regarding the team selection and internal politics.

    I am amazed at the number of people who are saying that Younis has a grudge against Alam.

    They are also saying that this was a premeditated move not to play Alam in any match, to destroy his confidence entirely so he can’t replace any of the current middle order batsmen.

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 3, 2009 - 2:19 PM

    Finally Watson got his 100. The throw may have been bad, but it still came into the hands of Saeed Ajmal but he was too excited and was unable to gather it cleanly hence he missed a dolly run out chance. Have you guys not seen how Ajmal tried to pick up the ball at the boundary earlier on? When he stoped (not so cleanly) Ramiz Raja immediately said, good stop by Ajmal and then Ajmal struggled to pick it up in the second and third attempt, then he had to say not so good.

    And after that Misbah stopped a ball and saved a single but, needlessly threw the ball at the bowlers end and it did not miss the wicket by a feet or two but at least 30 feet, it was a wild throw. The fielding in general is pathetic.

    Younus made Afridi stand in the slips as a favour so that he does not have to run and on one occasion Afridi anticipated the ball going right of him and dived right whereas, the ball went to his left side, what an Akhroat anticipation. And, what an Akhroat decision by Younus to place Afridi in slips where he never stood, he usually fields in cover region and mid-wicket area.

    Australia has posted the highest total of the tournament and now it is up to the Pakistani batsmen to prove that they can bat.

  24. #24 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 2:24 PM

    Khansahab …

    There you go, “Body Language” !!

    I agree it sure is a ‘body language’ problem with our entire team, including the Captain. Except for Afridi, no one is showing any eagerness or passion for a win, or even a fight.

    I agree with you on Fawad too, it’s criminal not to play him today. I mean think about the morale and confidence of the guy. He must be feeling low, way low, and this is BAD for Pakistan.

    LS Administrator: Please print this one, and ignore my earlier comments (it has mistakes).

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 3, 2009 - 2:28 PM

    Umar Gul has dropped a sitter in the last over of the Actor. Shame

  26. #26 by Awas on May 3, 2009 - 2:29 PM


    Why “this was a premeditated move”. Needs further elaboration.

    The reason I pointed you towards my rest of the comment was that it needs to be understood that no one is going to vacate a place for anyone voluntarily. This was in response to when you said certain players are “scared”.

  27. #27 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 2:29 PM

    LOL what rubbish fielding by Gul and Akhtar.

    They know they are going to lose this match. So why should they bother?

  28. #28 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 2:29 PM

    This ones over, I think 😦

    Let’s talk about the T20 😆

  29. #29 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 2:32 PM


    They will not leave voluntarily- that is why the captain, team manager and coach need to make a decision to oust them.

    However, the opinion of the management is always swayed by the opinion of the senior players.

    I wouldn’t have thought of this before today, but now it is quite evident that the people who are threatened by Alam are responsible for conspiring to keep him out.

    What other reason could there be?

    And who are those people that are threatened? It is the middle order batsmen.

  30. #30 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 2:35 PM

    Awas is correct, no other batsman/ player will ever vacate his place for Fawad, and you can’t blame them for this.

    So, IMO, for keeping Fawad Alam out of the playing eleven for all 5 ODIs, the main culprit is surely Younis Khan, being the Captain, and then there are accomplices as Coach, Manager and may be even Selectors.

    Younis Khan is a chicken !!

  31. #31 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 2:38 PM

    This is the weakest Australian side of all time, arguably. I think only Clarke and Symonds are the players who are automatic selections in this side.

    That Pakistan could not even win 2 matches against this opposition is a travesty. In fact Afridi single handedly won the first match for Pakistan; it was a one man show.

    Absolutely pathetic performance- if there was ever a chance to kick half the team out and start afresh, this is it. If this opporunity is not availed by the PCB, Pakistan cricket will dig deeper and deeper into this abyss.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 3, 2009 - 3:19 PM

    Apart from the pathetic batting from the Pakistanis during this entire series, there is no wicket taking bowler in the team. Shahid Afridi got 6-38 and that is once in blue moon that one takes so many wickets against a team like Australia.

    Yasir Arafat, Rao Iftikhar are not wicket taking bowlers and Shoaib Akhtar being unfit most of the time, it is left for Umar Gul to struggle. Tanvir has lost his touch. In fact other than the IPL he was just an OK bowler, in the IPL he was certainly the best bowler and perhaps that early success and fame went into his head. So, just to blame the batting alone is not fair, the bowling has been very ineffective and docile

    Wow what ways they find to get out. NO BALL AND FREE HIT And Salman Butt is run out. LOL.

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 3, 2009 - 3:20 PM

    Salman Butt deserves that, because in the past two matches he was involved in run outs and this time he has gone without facing a ball.

  34. #34 by Ali Ahad on May 3, 2009 - 4:16 PM

    Well we need an overhaul change in the team and in the PCB administration. The team is in shambles. The captain is failed to inspire the team. I don’t have a problem with to much of smiling but I certainly do have issues if you loose on a constant basis, cannot time the ball, cannot get into double figures in most of the matches and on top of that you smile like a crazy person then in my opinion you should really need to see a doctor and get some batting practice.

    The coach needs to go I mean he has no plan what so ever in game 3 and 4. You cannot get the coaching job based on the fact that he was the coach when Pakistan won the 92 world cup. If there are no gora’s then I think Moin Khan is the best choice as a local candidate. He was fighter as a player, captain and I think he can deliver the same if he coaches the national team.

    Regarding the captaincy we really don’t have a leader in the team. Yes, Lala is there but I think he cannot make the cut in the Test as a captain. If MOYO and Razzaq comes back to the national team then my choice will be MOYO and Lala as Test and ODI leaders and Lala and Razzaq in T20.

    With this current setup I don’t think that Pakistan can win against a better team on a regular basis.

  35. #35 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 4:21 PM

    Two points which further the argument that Younis is against Fawad:

    1) Younis is not technically against inexperienced or young players. Otherwise, Ahmed Shahzad would NEVER have been chosen in this squad. Shahzad has only played a handful of domestic matches and he is only 17. So when Akmal was Pakistan’s best batsman as opener in the 1st match, Younis should not have facilitated Shahzad by demoting Akmal again. Why would he do that if Akmal has solved Pakistan’s opening dilemma, at least for this series? But Younis chose to play Shahzad.

    2) Today Younis sent Akmal at no 4, ahead of Malik and Misbah. Why did he do that? Because he knew they are out of form. So he knew all this but he still ignored Fawad. He justified ignoring Fawad by saying that he trusts Misbah and Malik to deliver, yet he has gone back on this statement by sending Akmal before Malik and Misbah.
    Unfortunately 80% of people who watch Pakistan’s matches are uneducated and illiterate, like 80% of Pakistan’s population. So they can’t question the decisions of the management the way we can do on this blog.

  36. #36 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 4:24 PM

    Younis is OUT and I am happy.

    Because, now that the series is lost, how good have been his getting runs? It would have been useless that he scored runs and saved his …… skin 😉

  37. #37 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 4:25 PM

    There goes another one, Shehzad.

    Same old storey 😦

  38. #38 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 4:28 PM

    When I did the thread on the mysterious exclusion of Khalid Latif and Khurram Manzoor in this squad, this is what I meant:

    Ahmed Shahzad has played with a strike rate of about 50 in this series- that’s 50 runs per 100 balls. Khurram Manzoor has played more swiftly in his ODI career and he also has 3 fifties, but Shahzad will always be preferred over him because Shahzad played against Australia.

  39. #39 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 5:59 PM

    Damn … We are winning today 😦

    You never get what you wish for.

    I wanted Pakistan to loose today, because this 4-1 series defeat would have helped us bring in a few new guys and get rid of Akhtar, Iftikhar, may be Malik and Misbah too, but now Younis will again stick with the tested oldies.

  40. #40 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 6:02 PM

    Khhatmal is playing on 95 …

    Hope Javed Khan and Khansahab are very “Happy” for him 😆

  41. #41 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 6:04 PM

    Munir sahab

    The problem with the oldies is not that they cannot play- the problem is that they are inconsistent and there is always a pattern to their gameplay.

    Many people had predicted that Pakistan will win this last match. After their dismal bowling this morning I thought they would lose.

    If Misbah made a 50 today or Akmal scored a century, how does that change anything? What has the team learnt and what have we seen that we already had not seen before?

    Changes are needed because this team is not good enough to be a top 3 side. I had said in my preview of this series that these are tried and tested players and because of that reason, Pakistan is unlikely to win the series. We are all familiar with the capabilities of Misbah, Malik and Younis. They are not great ODI batsmen, and each one of them can be replaced.

  42. #42 by khansahab on May 3, 2009 - 6:06 PM

    Munir sahab

    Akmal is not a proper batsman and with his batting there is always this “tookka” or fluke. Even today he was very edgy at the start and took so many risks. He had to do that because he was sent to play aggressively.

    Anyhow he batted with a big heart today and he was brave, and for that I congratulate him.

  43. #43 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 6:16 PM

    Boo Boo ……. Kamran Khhatmal reaches his century ;(

  44. #44 by Awas on May 3, 2009 - 6:26 PM

    Whatever the case, when it was all doom and gloom, it has to be said a good partnership between these two players. An admirable 100 by Akmal.

    When no one expected a win, Pakistan has shown once again what an unpredictable side it is.

    A 3-2 defeat is more palatable than a 4-1.

    So, well done.

  45. #45 by Mohammed Munir on May 3, 2009 - 6:30 PM

    Sure Pakistan proved that “Unpredictability”.

    It’s hurts the fan though, when the team is so so unpredictable as ours.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 3, 2009 - 6:46 PM

    The match was more about pride & vanity and there were no inhibitions and hesitations and they played natural game and won the match. One of my friends mentioned earlier when Akmal was sent at number 7 or 8 in the previous match and he was out cheaply, he said : “Akmal should either open the innings or he should play ahead of Misbah and Malik because, when he plays late down the order he is nervous and you should have seen his face, whereas when he plays up the order he plays better.”

    Now, that he has proved everyone would be saying this, but we have also been saying that he should not have been replaced from opening the innings.

    Munir, I am not really very happy just because Younus Khan is happy. This whole thread is devoted to Younus Khan’s happiness and if you’ve got it – its a kinda sarcasm.

    By winning the first and the last match, Pakistan has proved that in between they are nothing. Michael Clarke is flying off tomorrow so the player of the series will not be in the T20. And, in any case Pakistan has a better chance of winning T20.

  47. #47 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 9:00 AM

    Miandad should be given powers: Sarfaraz

    Monday, May 04, 2009

    KARACHI: Former Pakistan Test fast bowler Sarfaraz Nawaz believes that legendary batsman Javed Miandad should be given more powers in cricket matters so that he can help lift the game of the current crisis.

    “The PCB (Pakistan Cricket Board) has no worthy figure who can lift our cricket. I believe only Miandad can make a difference and he has been cornered limiting him to domestic cricket only,” Sarfaraz told PPI.

    Miandad is currently serving as PCB director-general but with limited powers.

    He has been kept away from important areas like the national team selection and international matters.

    “We can see where we stand as the full strength Pakistan team lost the series against Australians whose top players are either not featuring or are injured,” the former pacer he said.

    The PCB people should leave their personal feelings behind and jointly work for the cause of Pakistan cricket,” he said.

    “I see no honest person in the team around Ijaz Butt (the PCB chairman).

    “I don’t want to name names but when I see cricket in such a state with the cricket crazy nation disappointed, I must speak out and tell what the problem is,” Sarfaraz explained.

    “Give Miandad the responsibility of training players and then see the change.

    “Our players are not fit and cannot meet the demands of contemporary cricket. To give good performance they need to get fit first,” he said.

    The outspoken Sarfaraz suggested that it was now time that Pakistan inducted new faces in the team and drop the out-of-form senior players.

    “They are there for such a long time and are still not performing, I say rather give the chance to young cricketers, they will at least have spirit to perform for the country,” Sarfaraz concluded.

  48. #48 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 9:46 AM

    Pakistan greats blame indiscipline for series defeat

    Saturday, 02 May, 2009

    ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistan test cricketers blamed poor planning and indisciplined batting for the country’s three successive defeats against Australia in the current one-day international series.

    ‘When only two of our batsmen cross the 100-run mark in four matches, it sums up Pakistan’s poor performance,’ former test captain and wicketkeeper Moin Khan told the AP on Saturday.

    Australia got an unassailable 3-1 lead in the series with an eight-wicket win Friday. Stand-in captain Michael Clarke (100) scored an unbeaten century and Shane Watson carved out 85 not out. The last match of the series will be played on Sunday.

    Pakistan’s opening batsman Salman Butt and Shahid Afridi are the only Pakistan players who have scored more than 100 runs in the series, with others — including experienced trio Shoaib Malik, Misbah-ul-Haq and captain Younis Khan — struggling on slow wickets in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

    Pakistan failed to bat a full quota of 50 overs in any one of the past three matches since winning the opener by four wickets.

    ‘When we can’t bat the full 50 overs, it shows that our batsmen struggled against Australia,’ Khan said.

    Khan urged Pakistan to call up players from the non-sanctioned Indian Cricket League. The Pakistan Cricket Board has said it would consider those players only if they first resigned from the ICL.

    ‘Presently there’s no competition (in Pakistan team) because of this (ICL) ban,’ Khan said.

    ‘Every player thinks his place is secured.’

    Khan cited Misbah-ul-Haq as a player in decline since his heroics in the inaugural World Twenty20 in South Africa two years ago when he guided Pakistan into the final.

    ‘He has not played any significant knock in the last two years, but since there’s no competition for his place, he is there in the (Pakistan) team.’

    Former test paceman Sarfraz Nawaz wants Pakistan to integrate young players ahead of the World Cup in two years time.

    ‘Physically, the team which went to the United Arab Emirates was not fit at all,’ Nawaz said.

    Pakistan dropped paceman Umar Gul for Friday’s game — a decision which surprised Nawaz.

    ‘You play your best team in crucial matches, but yesterday it was a shock when Gul was not in the playing eleven.’

    Paceman Shoaib Akhtar finally got his first wickets in the series on Friday when his twin strike had left Australia reeling at 3-2 before Clarke and Watson combined in an unbroken 197-run stand.

    However, Akhtar has taken just three wickets in five ODI this year and has not bowled his full quota of 10 overs in any of them. Nawaz wants him dropped from the squad before next month’s World Twenty20.

    ‘Akhtar didn’t look match fit and now it’s time for PCB to say ‘thank you’ to half fit players,’ Nawaz said.

    ‘Fielding and physical fitness are most important for any player to compete in Twenty20 and Akhtar doesn’t fulfill any of those.’

  49. #49 by Awas on May 4, 2009 - 10:59 AM

    A defeat but a respectable one” Kamran Abbasi has just echoed my views when I said: A 3-2 defeat is more palatable than a 4-1.

    I guess one of the openers can make way for Fawad Alam and that should be Ahmed Shehzad as they are likely to persist with Butt. Akmal can then open with Butt, so Fawad can play as a middle order batsman.

    It would be a great travesty otherwise if the only player in the squad returns home after serving as a water boy. I do think in the T20 Fawad will get a chance. I don’t see Butt and Shehzad as T20 players but Shehzad even more so.

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 4, 2009 - 12:03 PM

    Hey Awas, 😀 instead of Kamran Abbassi why don’t you refer to my earlier comment on LS i.e. in the last thread my comment number 268 dated May 01, 2009 wherein I wrote:


    “Anyways, it was a pathetic performance from Pakistan and Australia has won the series now, the last ODI is only for namesake and if Pakistan wins that will be some face saving to say we lost 3-2 and not 4-1. But, I have a strong feeling that Pakistan will win the T20 against Australia….. i.e., if Afridi plays and he is fully fit. “

    FOR THE ONE AND ONLY T20 in Dubai, both openers Salman Butt and Ahmad Shahzad should be rested. Butt, has proved time and again that he is very, very slow. And Shahzad also played ALL his innings very slow and you cannot have two openers taking away 10 overs and score 30-40 runs. They should score at least 80 – 90 runs or more in the first 10 overs. For this Kamran Akmal and Afridi must open the innings I would select the following team:

    Younus Khan (if I can I will not include him in the T2o side)
    Fawad Alam
    Yasir Arafat
    Umar Gul
    Saeed Ajmal
    Shoaib Akhtar ( ideally I would like to add a batsman here, 3 fast bowlers and 4 spinners are enough)

    But, not Butt or Ahmad Shahzad, batsmen who can score fast and both these openers are OK for test.

  51. #51 by Awas on May 4, 2009 - 12:32 PM


    Yeah, you were right on the money there 🙂

    The team you have picked is what would be almost ideal under the current squad that we have but my view was that they are unlikely to tinker too much with the status quo hence Ahmed Shehzad would make way for Fawad. As Younus made an inspirational move to promote Akmal, opening with Afridi and Akmal would be another one but can you realistically expect two inspirational moves in a row from Younus? I guess not, only time will tell though.

  52. #52 by Theossa on May 4, 2009 - 1:17 PM

    People like Sarfaraz should shut their face because they don’t even have the credibility to begin with. He is an opportunist vulture and likes to be in the news. Wasn’t he the one who spread rumors that Woolmer was killed by bookies and that Pak team was involved in match fixing during World Cup? Miandad should be offended by his support.

    I see some unnecessary criticism of Younis in the “Dummy Captain” blog, typical emotional knee jerk fan reactions. Like I said before, the rustiness of players was expected before the series and some cricket analyst even predicted a 0-5 white wash of Pakistan. But when Pakistan won the first match, fan’s expectations went sky rocketing. Yes, Pakistan lost the series but they fought well throughout the series considering their lack of match practice. This was definitely not the top Australian side but Pakistan team was even weaker with the batting core and a weasel middle order composed of rusty Younis, Misbah, and Malik. Not only batsmen but pace battery also struggled to get into any kind of rhythm. Great batting by Akmal in the last game and he should definitely open along with Salman Butt. I think Shehzad should play at one down position followed by Younis, Misbah, and Malik. Shehzad played really well considering his first series, on a slow and tricky wicket, against World Champions, and under some difficult circumstances. I understand he was slow but it’s understandable considering the PCB tactics of dropping a player just after one series. He was just trying to consolidate his place. When he’ll feel more secure I’m sure he’ll free his arms. Afridi and Ajmal are the pick of series for Pakistan with the bonus of Akmal getting better behind the wickets.

    The team selection was questionable and I think it was because of the notion Younis believes in that experience should be given preference. But Fawad deserved a chance and should have given preference over Yasir Arafat considering Fawad’s superb performance in recent domestic games. But I totally disagree with the idea tossed by some on this blog and some crazy analysts that half of team should be sacked and younger players should be brought in. Last time Pakistan did that they suffered crushing defeats by Australia. I think it was after their dismal performance in world Cup when Richard Pybus was the coach. Pakistan introduced a bunch of youngsters, mostly top domestic performers including Hasan Raza and after the series Australian Coach mocked Pakistan side by saying that even an Australian club team could beat that Pakistan team.

    The best strategy would be to just get two players from ICL pool that is MoYo and Imran Nazir. Moyoy could strengthen Pakistan middle order in ODIs and Tests while Nazir would be a good top order inclusion in T20 and maybe in ODIs.

    I agree with Younis that it’s just a game! And I know where he is coming from; people threatened his family after the Pakistan’s early World Cup exit. True fans stick to their team in both hot and cold times. I found Awas’s comments to be the most rational, fair, and reasonable, and quoting from him, “Form is temporary, class is permanent”. I believe Younis along with MoYo will go down as one of the best batsmen Pakistan has ever produced.

  53. #53 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 2:22 PM


    If Sarfraz has said some stupid things in the past it doesn’t mean he says everything wrong all the time. I think he is correct on this occasion. I did not paste his comments because of his opinion of Miandad, but his views on the defeat and what needs to be done after the series defeat. No one can be correct or wrong all the time. Such is life.

    Firstly, if we go with the attitude that, “A series defeat will be acceptable”, we will never be able to become a top side. Imran Khan who is the greatest captain Pakistan produced was against this philosophy. If Pakistan followed this philosophy in the World Cup 1992, they would not have won.

    Cricket analysts said many things. People will never agree on one issue. I can paste 10 articles where analysts said Pakistan will win the series, because Australia went into this series having their confidence dented because of multiple defeats and also not having 3 of their best players. This was a 2nd string Australian side.

    I also said in the preview that they would lose unless they try youngsters out. Fawad was not given a single match (despite being the best BATSMAN and BOWLER in the practice match he played against the Pakistan XI), whereas Shahzad was reasonably impressive in 2 matches.

    Younis was in great form before this series but I also indicated in the thread that he has a problem against Australia. That leaves Misbah and Malik, and it goes without saying neither of them are consistent ODI players.

    About the lack of match practice and rustiness- before the 1st ODI the Pakistan team trained consecutively for 10 days and also played practice matches in between. This got a lot of media attention because normally teams don’t play so many practice matches before the start of the series, but Intikhab Alam had said that the team is doing this to prevent rustiness.

    After the 2nd match Boycott remarked that rustiness is no longer a good excuse for Pakistan. To say that it is because of rustiness that Younis, Malik and Misbah did not perform in the latter 3 or 4 matches, is a shocking statement. Even if rustiness or lack of match practice is an issue, then I am afraid they don’t need to be playing international cricket because other teams don’t take so long to find form.

    Umar Gul bowled OK and I think he bowled as well as could be expected of him. Tanvir, Yasir Arafat and Rao bowled as well as could be expected on a flat track from mediocre bowlers like them. Akhtar struggled not because of failing to find rhythm, but because of being unfit. His lack of fitness is the reason why he could not bowl at his best. But he still made an impact, and Gul made an impact. What I am trying to say is that lack of match practice is a poor excuse after you have played 2 or 3 matches.

    So Theossa, if my idea of getting rid of half the team is crazy, what good is the idea of retaining these players who are so inconsistent? Did Shahzad not perform? Whatever we have seen of Fawad Alam, has he not performed? You said that having youngsters means that performance will not be ameliorated and you gave an example of some tournament where youngsters were tried. In the 2003 World Cup Pakistan had Saeed Anwar, Wasim, Inzamam, Waqar and Shoaib Akhtar, and what happened to Pakistan?

    Theossa, if it’s just a game it does not mean you should not be professional on the field and play with some commitment and play to your potential. They are professional cricketers. For them it is a full time job. If you turn up to your job everyday and smile at your colleagues and say, “It’s just a job” or say “I am happy I did not work well on this project, but this is what I learned”, then you will invite immense criticism.

    Younis is one of the best Test batsmen Pakistan has produced, but he was never a good ODI batsman. Especially if he can’t perform on a track where someone like Akmal can smash a century; how can you call that player a good ODI batsman?

  54. #54 by dimplerosycheeks on May 4, 2009 - 2:23 PM

    I don’t mind becoming the Pakistani captain 😀

  55. #55 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 2:34 PM

    Aamir, Shazaib in Pakistan squad for T20 World Cup Team

    KARACHI, May 4 (APP): Teenage batsman Shazaib Hasan is most stunning inductions in the 15‑member Pakistan men team named on Monday for ICC Twenty20 World Cup being held in England from June 5. Team which was picked by three‑member selection committee headed by former test leg‑spinner Abdul Qadir with Saleem Jaffar and Shoaib Muhammad as its members, left out opener Nasir Jamshed.

    19‑year‑old right batsman Shazaib of Karachi last February and had played for Karachi Zebras in Twenty20 Cup is harding batsman and batted solidly during the Patrons Trophy grade‑II for Port Qasim.

    Shaazaib had played just ten first game and is prodigy of former Pakistan Captain Rashid Latif.

    Rising fast bowler Muhammad Aamir was in Pakistan squad for the first test against Sri Lanka in played Karachi in February.

    Express fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar and off‑break bowler Saeed Ajmal, who was reported for suspect action against ODI series against Australia have also retained their place in the national team.

    Another teenager Ahmed Shahzad confirmed his place in the team with good batting against Australia in just concluded 5 match One‑Day International series.

    Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) which released the team, have not mentioned the name of the vice captain.

    Pakistan men squad:

    Younis Khan (Captain), Salman Butt, Ahmed Shahzad, Misbah‑ul‑Haq, Kamran Akmal (wicket‑keeper), Fawad Alam, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi, Sohail Tanveer, Yasir Arafat, Shoaib Akhter, Umer Gul, Muhammad Aamir, Saeed Ajmal and Shazaib Hassan.

  56. #56 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 2:43 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Your team is spot on but I don’t think Younis is planning on playing Fawad Alam for the T20. He is likely to go with:


    It just so happens that Fawad Alam is amongst the few batsmen in the world who average 40+ in all domestic formats; 4 day, 1 day and T20. The only other 2 players whom I can think of are Misbah ul Haq and Sachin Tendulkar. There might be 1 or 2 more.

    However, the team management will overlook this yet again.

    I guess I was quite excited that for once he might get a chance to play and Pakistan might perform better against Australia, a weakened and tired team. But if they can play someone like Faisal Iqbal in his position justifying it on the basis of experience, they can play anyone and they will go to any limits to prevent him from reaching his potential.

  57. #57 by Theossa on May 4, 2009 - 3:13 PM


    With respect to Sarfaraz, I discredit his intention of supporting Miandad which in my opinion was just for the sack of being in the news. Everyone in the World knows that Miandad would make the best PCB Chairman and I supported him too. But unless you correct the whole country, you can’t correct one facet of it i.e. PCB. What I’m trying to say is PCB just reflects another incompetent and corrupt face of a similar government.

    At your argument that a series defeat should not be tolerated especially against a weak Australian team, well, I already specified the reasons, rustiness. Practice matches cannot emulate regular matches. Younis, Malik, and Misbah are just out of form players and will get into groove eventually. If there were good alternates available apart from Fawad I would support their inclusion but unfortunately there are no good batsmen who would replace Younis, Misbah, or Malik. Apart from Fawad who would you include to replace Younis, Misbah, and Malik?

    I think Gul and Tanvir are far more capable bowlers compared to what they displayed in the recent series, so again the logical reason comes to mind is rustiness. Before this series Pakistan were 2-12 against Australia in the last 14 games. They almost won the series so let’s look at the positives as well.

    It’s great that they gave an opportunity to Shehzad and it’s sad that they did not to Fawad but only one or two rookies should be introduced at a time and that too in the home series. They should be played in a situation or position to have a chance to be successful and not bound to fail. We all know how Fawad was wasted in the limited opportunities he received.

    I didn’t even know you echoed the idea of dropping half of the team, I read it on one of the articles you pasted and some of Munir’s comments, I expect better from you though 🙂 In a logical sense how would you drop the skipper from ODIs even if he is underperforming?

  58. #58 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 3:20 PM


    I asked for “half the team” to be dropped AFTER the series, not DURING it. I stated this in an argument about what should happen after this series.

    I think Awas and I discussed above that Younis cannot be dropped during the series because he is the captain. But Misbah and Malik most certainly should have been dropped.

    Under these current players, especially Misbah and Malik languising in the middle order Pakistan will not be a top 3 side EVER.

  59. #59 by Theossa on May 4, 2009 - 3:30 PM


    Again, unless we find better players to replace Younis, Misbah, and Malik we cannot replace them. Fawad would replace Yasir but certainly not either of these three. At your statement that with these players we can never be Top 3 side, well, you could be spot on here. It’s just that other teams are more talented than us at the moment. Unfortunately no promising talent has emerged from our domestic cricket to take us to top ranking. Thanks God no one is ranting the usual quote, “We are very talented team we are just not performing” 😀

  60. #60 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 3:49 PM


    “Unfortunately no promising talent has emerged from our domestic cricket to take us to top ranking”.

    The reason this has happened is because Fawad Alam is not being tried.

    As to you saying Fawad can’t replace Younis, Misbah and Malik, until he is given a decent run we cannot say whether he can or cannot replace them. How can you be so sure he cannot replace them? What wrong has he done to belittle himself in front of your eyes?

  61. #61 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 4:01 PM

    The following is a comment from Pakspin. I have highlighted some words for emphasis:

    Posted by: Abdul Kadir Hussain at May 4, 2009 11:03 AM

    It was a travesty that Fawad Alam did not get a game. This reeks of the age old habit of Pakistan cricket, when a player threatens an established senior he does not get a look in, even if that senior is out of form and the series is lost. The reason Shezad got a game was that there no senior player who was an incumbent in that position. Clearly the intelligent thing to have done all along was open with Akmal once Jamshed was injured and bring Alam into the frail middle order. This guy is the most consistent run scorer in the domestic game and its a shame that he cannot get a decent run. The other disappointment was that Pakistan seem to be slipping back into the bad old days of very poor basics. Bad running btwn wickets, bad fielding etc. So I dont share your optimism that even with the return on the ICL players, of whom really only Yousuf was missed,.

  62. #62 by Theossa on May 4, 2009 - 4:12 PM


    I’ve seen Fawad play at international level and I think he is a raw talent. I’m sure he’ll get his opportunity sooner or later to show his worth and I’m sure he will. You are having too many expectations from him though. I’ve seen domestic performers choke at international level due to pressure and expectations. There was this fast bowler from Karachi named Anis from the area I lived and he was really fast and had some political backing so he was introduced to bowl at Wasim Akram to get him some batting practice. Well, off and on, he bowled for 2 hours, forget about getting him out, he didn’t even trouble Wasim. Similarly, Tauseef Ahmed the spin bowler of Imran era would hit 6s on the best domestic bowlers. I guess what I’m trying to say here is that international players are far superior to what you see in domestic cricket or county cricket. Pressure of international match against a good foreign team choke many rookies. Alam is a good talent but he is some years away to take place of Younis, Misbah, or Malik. Fawad definitely deserves a place in the current team but not at the expense of these three. Well, you and I will I am agree when he is given chances. You could be right about him and I hope he is that talented, we will see. We need good players.

  63. #63 by Awas on May 4, 2009 - 4:36 PM


    Good thoughts there and thank you for finding my comments useful. 🙂 I am sorry if some get upset with such views 😦

    As I said, it is too early to pass a reasonable judgment on YK on his captaincy, so scathing criticism of Younus as captain is unjustified to say the least. People just tend to be too judgmental too quickly and as you quite rightly say “typical emotional knee jerk fan reactions”.

    Whether one calls it “rustiness” or not, playing international cricket after a long gap is bound to have some effect. Forget about what other analysts had said elsewhere some even here had predicted a 5-0 drubbing for Pakistan (not unreasonable I believe). So, in the circumstances, quoting a decent writer: “A defeat but a respectable one”.

    It is pertinent to note that 4 out of 5 games were low scoring ones. So, even Australians couldn’t put a decent total and despite the absence of big names (just as Pakistan) they are still a formidable side. If ever there is void due to absence of experienced established players, Australia is one country who always claim there are players waiting to fill that void, so good is their domestic setup and perhaps the best in the world. So, not only would their second string teams be better than most first string teams but rustiness cuts both ways if that is the case. The notion that if they can’t win they shouldn’t be playing international cricket, surly applies to “second string” Australian team too as, as expected, they could not annihilate Pakistan either. The one match where there was a decent score, Pakistan won in the end.

    I disagree when some say Younus is a good test player but not a good ODI player. He has played some wonderful ODI knocks as well. Some used to say the same about Mohamed Yousaf too and now we crave for his inclusion in the ODI team.


    We all seem to agree here that Fawad is a deserving case, so I do hope there is no agenda of some kind against him. I still think he will get picked for the T20.


    I would like to add one more player in your list – Graham Hick, an extremely prolific run scorer at county level but we all know how he failed at international level. I hope khansahab doesn’t misread me here as I’m definitely not putting Fawad Alam in that league.

  64. #64 by Theossa on May 4, 2009 - 5:08 PM


    Quoting from AI i.e. Aamir Iqbal, So please stop applying these pathetic statements and consider the bigger picture otherwise u can never be defined as a good analyst or passionate supporter

    Well said Spin King, you have spoken! Now that’s what a guy with some cricket knowledge and wisdom would say. I am agree.


    I have a feeling too that Fawad will be picked for T20. Good example of G. Hick. On the Pak domestic level it would be Hasan Raza.

    Good example of Australia’s domestic cricket structure too. The only way you can force senior players to perform when you have good backups and domestic cricket provides it. One example will be that Kamran Akmal who improved greatly when backup wicket keeper Sarfaraz Ahmed was in the mix to take his place. Problem is; Pakistan has one of the worst domestic cricket structures so no good backups are available. If it was not for the selfless love of the cricket game of Rashid Latif and Aaqib Javed we would find it hard to even compete with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Seriously guys, if MoYo is not brought back and Younis quits what are we left with in batting department to compete at test level? Where are the players to replace them?

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 4, 2009 - 6:32 PM

    After seeing Shoaib Akhtar’s performance in this tournament, I don’t want him to be in the T20 solo match in Dubai, but there seems to be little choice for the selectors because he is in the squad.

    What I don’t understand is why they have included him in the team that has been announced (as khansahab has quoted here on LS) for T20 WC, in the UK. Why? Everyone is saying he cannot even bowl 2 overs. Its a fact and during the SL T20 in Karachi he gave away 43 runs in 3 overs. So, why do they want to include him in such a big tournament?

    The reason Younus Khan is getting flak is because of his being slack and laid back. We ALL have this tendency of saying, give him a chance, it is too early to comment etc. The point is you cannot keep on experimenting or testing a player for 40-50 matches to determine whether he is good or he is bad. (player, captain or both)

    Captaincy is such a trait that the leadership qualities start showing from the moment you start to lead. If there is slackness, complacency, laid back attitude in dealing with the players or, even with the selectors, it will show and it is not going to change even after 20 – 30 matches. That basic ingredient is gonna be there, that quality is imbued in the psyche and cannot be eliminated. It works for both types, the defensive or chicken heart types remain the same and the aggressive brave heart types also remain the same. “Sher, Sher hee rehay gaa, Geedar, Geedar hee rehayga.”

    Younus by nature is a soft person and he believes in keeping the whole world happy, that is not possible, in fact it is impossible. Secondly, the reason he is acting foolish by laughing all the time is because of his past. He declined the captaincy twice and there is a kinda embarrassment in his subconscious mind and those unnecessary “giggles” are mere blemishes of the past and he tries to cover it up by laughing.

  66. #66 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 6:43 PM


    I know you’re playing a clever game with Abdul aka Charlie Chaplin. Please don’t think I don’t recognise this subtle I-am-agreement between you both.

    If you want to differ with me on Fawad Alam, do so in unequivocal words because we can always I am agree to I am disagree.


    Thanks for the am agree with my views. I have actually quoted you on Pakspin and I hope Mr Abbassi approves my comment. Agreed Fawad needs to replace Malik.


    I understand your views and thanks for expanding on them. I apologise if I reacted too strongly earlier regarding Younis and Fawad.

  67. #67 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 6:52 PM


    Theossa, Omer, Awas, Javed A Khan, Munir sahab, Charlie, please read with interest!

    There is some politics going on in the team management.

    According to reliable sources, some PCB official (name undisclosed) flew to Abu Dhabi with the specific job to force the team management to play Arafat instead of Fawad.

    Younis was questioned on Geo why he did not play Fawad in the light of the series defeat. He said, “If it was up to me I would have played Fawad Alam”.

    Younis did not comment any further about this.

    Apparently this news has appeared on a Pakistani newspaper (name undisclosed). As soon as I get more details I will post them here.

    I have only seen this news 2 minutes ago. As I said earlier, this treatment of Alam is very mysterious and my hunch is proving correct.

  68. #68 by Theossa on May 4, 2009 - 6:53 PM


    It’s not Younis Khan’s job to select 15 members squad for the team, there is a full time paid selection committee for that. However, Younis have a say in the election of final 11 so he should be accountable for that along with selection committee but it all starts with the selected 15 players. When a captain becomes a dictator like Imran and Inzi, he is criticized when he becomes soft like Shoaib he is criticized. So I say Younis will not be spared no matter what so he should do his thing and should be held accountable after a long run at the captaincy. There was never a perfect selection and there will never be a perfect selection in Pakistan mostly due to political reasons so Younis have to live with it. There are already calls for his sake so I ask the question who will you make the captain then? Afridi? Can he unite the team? It’s an open question. I think Younis’ strategy is to gel the team together and in the current crop of players he’s the only one capable of doing so. I wouldn’t pass guilt judgment on him during media conferences; let’s leave that circus to media. I would like to see him and the rest talk with bat and ball.

  69. #69 by Theossa on May 4, 2009 - 7:04 PM


    We have to realize that certain players have a strong political back so they will get more chances than others. If you have read my comments posted during Pak-Aus series I called Yasir Arafat a bust which he is. Younis is taking too much slack for selection whereas he just have a say not control or authority over this matter.

  70. #70 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 7:11 PM

    PCB draws criticism for loss against Australia

    Karachi (PTI): The one-day series defeat to Australia in Dubai and Abu Dhabi has drawn sharp criticism from former players and officials with debate over team selection, pitches and lavish spending by the Cricket Board on government dignitaries in the time of its financial crunch.

    Former Chief Selector Salahuddin Ahmed said he would hold Chief Curator Agha Zahid, team coach Intikhab Alam and assistant coach Aaqib Javed responsible for the preparation of poor quality pitches for the five one-day games that produced low scoring matches and saw Australia clinch the series 3-2.

    “Someone should ask these people what thought process went into preparing such poor pitches when they were sent to Dubai and Abu Dhabi to ensure pitches were made according to the team’s strength,” Ahmed said.

    Former Test captain Moin Khan said he was surprised at some aspects of the team selection and wondered why pace bowler Umar Gul was dropped for the crucial fourth one-day international.

    “I also can’t understand why they didn’t play an in-form player like Fawad Alam in the series when the batting was not clicking.”

    He said Pakistan team had performed below par and disappointed its fans despite claims before the series that the team could win the series.

    Former Test pacer Sarfaraz Nawaz said he was shocked at the repeated statements of captain Younis Khan and coach Intikhab Alam that the team was young and would learn a lot from the series.

    “International cricket is not played to learn things from the opposition. And people expect the team to win. People are fed up of these excuses because our team was far more experienced than the Australians who blooded several new players. So what is this excuse of we having a young team,” Nawaz said.

    The former bowler said no one could say that Salman Butt, Kamran Akmal, Shahid Afridi, Misbah-ul-Haq, Younis Khan, Shoaib Malik, Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul, Rao Iftikhar or Sohail Tanvir were inexperienced.

    “I think the combined matches played by Shoaib Akhtar, Shoaib Malik, Younis Khan, Akmal is far greater than the combined total of the Australian team,” he added.

    Nawaz said it was time that Board Chairman Ejaz Butt rose above petty politics and gave former great Javed Miandad more responsibility and authority in the Board.

    Why is a great cricket brain like Miandad being sidelined. He is the right man to lift the performances of this team,” he said.

    At the same time questions are being asked over why the Board spent over 20 million rupees on just inviting government dignitaries and their families and governing council members to the Emirates for the matches.

    “When it was obvious that we are going to earn little from this series why waste funds which can easily be used for more beneficial purposes,” former Chief Executive Arif Abbasi said.

    They are also questions being asked as to why were special cash awards announced for Shahid Afridi and Kamran Akmal for taking six wickets in the first match and scoring a century in the final match when overall the team had fared so poorly.

    “The central contracts the Board has with the players has clauses for awarding special cash bonuses to players who give outstanding individual performances. So if these awards were given as part of the contracts what is the need to announce them and make us the laughing stock at a time when we have lost a series we should have won,” another former Board official said.

    Former Test captain Inzamam-ul-Haq also made it clear that Pakistan had lost a golden opportunity to beat a weakened Australian team in near home conditions.

    Media has also reported on Monday that some board members interfered in the team selection leading to the continued selection of pacer Yasir Arafat for three consecutive matches in which he didn’t take a single wicket.

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 4, 2009 - 7:18 PM

    Theossa, its not a matter of scoring a point against your comment, its neither to prove that I am a better judge type of thinking and neither, “I told you so” wali baat hai. These are just opinions based on what we see and what we get.

    What we are seeing is a very soft, very friendly, very complacent captain. On the field you have to be serious and you have to move like a panther and growl like a tiger. I never said, Imran was a bad captain, I have always said, he was a very good captain. He never tolerated any nonsense and that kept his players on their toes. He was also helpful and guided his teammates whenever, wherever necessary, he took advise from Javed Miandad (despite personality clash and despite them coming from a different background) and that was his quality. Inzi, despite being lazy and laid back was not like Younus only at times I criticized his team selection.

    I know the squad is selected by the PCB committee but, the captain has a say for the playing XI and the batting order. We criticized his changing Kamran Akmal’s batting order after the first match and when he promoted him in the last, he proved his worth. Also, we talked about Malik that, he is a chicken heart, you give him the ball to bowl when the chips are down he is a loser, you bring him when things are favourable, he bowls well. So, YK needs to understand the players psyche and also the team selection.


    waiting for more details. In the meantime lemme call Dubai and ask my friend.

  72. #72 by Awas on May 4, 2009 - 7:25 PM


    The fact of the matter is that if a mediocre captain such as Malik was once appointed captain by DNA, despite his failures and politics, he was persisted for how long…a couple of years? And that was despite the fact that various analysts (not just us) were scathing about him. The fact here is that none of the analysts, experts have taken their knives out against Younus yet and that is what matters most. So, Younus, basically, is going to be around for a considerable time unless he quits himself and he is honourable enough to do so. In the circumstances, personally I would rather look at his good traits (far more) than bad. After all, he is no Malik.


    There was no offence taken and I honestly was not looking for any apology either. I had just sensed perhaps one was just upset with one’s comment, that’s all. It’s a human trait to get emotional but importantly we are all entitled to our views so long they are decent.

    Interesting breaking news. “If it was up to me I would have played Fawad Alam” – Younus. So, let’s not start accusing him for everything. So, khansahab in some of your comments like 5, 14 etc you thought Younus was responsible for this. I am relieved that after all that’s not the case.

  73. #73 by Awas on May 4, 2009 - 7:32 PM


    I concur with your views above. As usual, quite logical thoughts in both your comments above.

  74. #74 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 7:51 PM

    Theossa & Awas

    Let me resummarise what my contention was and I think Javed A Khan is saying more or less the same although his tone has been less harsh than mine (his tone being probably more appropriate):

    1) To get over the lack of match fitness and rustiness, they didn’t need 5 matches. Akmal played a very fluent and good knock in the 1st ODI and he did not appear to be hindered by lack of match practice. Butt also played a good knock although he was very slow in the 2nd match I think.

    2) We all have differing views on what good captaincy is. I think Javed A Khan and myself like to see a more proactive captain and who always keeps the players on their toes. I am OK with Younis smiling and being a diplomatic character to an extent, but I can’t tolerate this appeasement of underperforming senior players. This came from the horse’s mouth, when Younis said he can’t drop Malik because the media will say Younis Khan dropped a former captain. What kind of statement is that?

    3) All good captains Pakistan has had were those who were abrasive with their colleagues. Miandad was never popular in the dressing room, Imran didn’t like half the team, Wasim Akram was too much of a taskmaster and at one point all the senior players in the team like Waqar and Inzamam protested to the PCB that they wanted Akram to be demoted from captaincy. So as a general rule I don’t think this captaincy style will work where Younis is appeasing everyone under the sun.

    Plus it is becoming clearer that there is politics in the team selection. If he can’t stand up against the wrongdoers then what good captain is he?

  75. #75 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 8:12 PM

    This link sheds some light on this controversy regarding selection of Arafat:


    It is in Urdu and for those who can read Urdu without having a headache! 🙂 I stopped after reading two lines.

  76. #76 by Awas on May 4, 2009 - 8:21 PM


    All those captains you mentioned, bar Imran, were criticised strongly when at the helm. For example, Miandad was a great player and strategist but never a good captain. The others had been criticised for various reasons too including Islamisation of cricket and Inzi was never a task master either. He never criticised anyone and always kept a poker face at a mistake on the field.

    If Younus says he can’t drop Malik or Misbah, you express surprise and see it as an appeasement whereas although I don’t agree with their selection but can see a perfect logic behind his thoughts. It is not like they are completely useless with bat. Although they were not in form but they have had their days and hence called experienced. As I have elaborated before captains, selectors do see some justification in persisting with tried and tested players. There is nothing unusual here that Younus has done. Of all the captains you have mentioned they have all done that.

  77. #77 by Awas on May 4, 2009 - 9:25 PM

    Well there is no mention of Fawad in the above article. It basically says that team management was forced to select Yasir Arafat due to the pressure of a board member who was present there throughout the series. Who he was, it doesn’t say.

    It also mentions Younus Khan avoids going to the parties but due to weak team management some players did go to parties.

    It also says that Younus denies that his bad batting is due the captaincy pressure as he scored a triple century against SL before this series but he had other external pressures including in selection matters.

  78. #78 by khansahab on May 4, 2009 - 11:47 PM


    There is no mention of Fawad, but basically playing Yasir meant not playing Fawad. Tanvir played 2 matches with Yasir also being in the XI; they were the 3rd and 4th matches.

  79. #79 by Mohammed Munir on May 5, 2009 - 6:43 AM

    Some great debates from all of the guys with a mix of interesting and contrasting point of views. I must confess that I read a few really valid arguments and equally convincing counterarguments from both corners.

    Javed, Khansahab, Theo, Awas, Omer and Abdul, all at their cricketing best and it sure was a treat to read these comments.

    I would like to add a few general points as below….

    – I think we are giving too much significance to ‘rustiness’. It’s not like we are playing after years of isolation/ apartheid. Secondly, at International levels it is expected from all professionals that they should keep themselves fit, active and in ‘playing-perfect’ conditions at all times. So how far are we to take this excuse of “rustiness” ?

    – Some analysts ‘may’ have predicted 5-0 white-wash against Pakistan, but why are we forgetting what Younis Khan predicted? A 5-0 white-wash in favour of Pakistan, didn’t he said that ? And how much did Younis contributed in ‘trying’ to achieve that result ?

    – The main problem is NOT with Younis Khan’s batting performances, but his laidback, complacent, and smug attitude. We don’t want him to be ‘happy’ and a ‘smiley’ face, no matter he scores with the bat or not, but we sure want him to be a good leader and a task-master.

    – The issue is not about the 15 selected players and who selected them, but the main concern is the ‘Playing-Eleven’ which is mainly Captain’s decision, may be with a little help from Coach and Manager.

    – The Selectors had selected Fawad Alam among 15 players, but he was kept out by the ‘Team Management’, whoever that is.

    – If Khansahab’s above comment no. 68 is correct, then I am afraid it goes to prove that Younis Khan is what he thought he do not want to be. “A DUMMY CAPTAAN”.

    – If Younis Khan said that, “If it was up to me I would have played Fawad Alam”. Then I think we should accuse him all the more, because with his this comment he himself have proved that he is a “DUMMY CAPTAAN”.

  80. #80 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 9:01 AM

    There is a report in Jang that Pakistani cricketers are enjoying the nightlife in Dubai and at one time up to “6 girls are staying in their rooms”.

    I guess this was expected. A few days ago there was a report that some actresses from Pakistan went to Dubai and stayed with the Pakistan team. The report said that the cricketers spent a lot of time with them and they were “distracted” which is one of the reasons why they could not focus on cricket so much.

  81. #81 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 9:06 AM

    Is Salahuddin the former Selector biased or what?

    In his recent interview he said he does not blame Younis Khan’s captaincy and neither does he blame Younis Khan’s batting. He said he blames the other middle order batsmen for the series defeat.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2009 - 9:44 AM

    Munir: referring to the last paragraph of your comment, why do you think the caption of this thread is “I don’t want a dummy captain?” Precisely the reason that he should step in, put his foot down and say NO. But, he is being scared and acting like a dummy.

    As for Awas & Theo dear folks, first of all we (khansahab and I) are not writing off Younus Khan as a player. Neither we did that in case of Malik when he was captain. It is all about their decisions as a captain and the way they are leading the team. And a captain’s job is not just to perform with the bat, in the batting department Malik was doing better than Younus as a captain. But, its not all that needed. Malik as a captain is/was timid, aloof, chicken heart and had no idea about whats going on.

    Whereas, Younus Khan boasted a lot, rejected the offer twice, then literally begged to become a captain, basically he lost his respect and they realized that beggars can’t be choosers and now he cannot stand up against them, so they are twisting his arm in team selection. And, he has no guts to stand up against them. Otherwise, what is the meaning of, “If it was up to me I would have played Fawad Alam”?

    And Awas, to be an analyst one doesn’t need to have a chip on his shoulder, you and I can analyze the situation better than the so-called sports writes and journalists, khansahab has more in depth knowledge than ALL of us about the younger players and about the domestic cricket of Pakistan and his analysis are very balanced and matured. He is not criticizing just for the heck of it or for the sake of criticizing. He has praised Salahuddin (the previous selector) in the past, but he is surprised at his recent statement in which Salahuddin is supporting YK and blaming the “other middle order batsmen.” This is indeed a biased statement from Salahuddin. Because, YK is known to be the backbone of Pakistan cricket team’s middle order.

  83. #83 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2009 - 9:49 AM


    Jang newspaper has this art of providing girls and booze to the loosing Pakistani side and this is not the first time they have done this. I have previously quoted on LS how the late Wasim Raja reacted against the Jang newspaper sports journalist who questioned him at Karachi airport and asked him the series defeat against England was due to girls and booze ………. I don’t want to repeat that story again. But, its a fact that this newspaper has no credibility.

    As regards “actresses” wherever there is Abdul Rahman, there is Bukhatir Tawazoh. And, Munir confirmed that he was behind Bukhatir, no he denied being behind but he said, BAJOO MAY thaa. 😀

  84. #84 by Mohammed Munir on May 5, 2009 - 10:32 AM

    If these (girls & booze) are the ‘Kartoot’ of our team, then I guess soon they will be stopped from playing in UAE too.

  85. #85 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 11:36 AM

    Altaf tells ANP leadership wear bangles, sit in house

    LONDON: Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Quaid, Altaf Hussain has suggested to the entire leaderships of the Awami National Party (ANP) to wear bangles and sit back in their houses, as ANP failed to take any courageous stand against Sufi Muhammad’s statements and against the Taliban tearing Nizam-e-Adl accord into pieces.

    In a statement issued from London, Altaf Hussain said he was telling it so that those upright Pukhtoons feeling deeply shocked and hurt on the cowardly and shameless policies of ANP could distance themselves from it, form a group of their own in a bid to uphold the Bacha Khan’s courageous policies.

    The statement said that MQM would not only give all out support to those raising voice for the honour of Pakhtoon nationality, but if needed would give sacrifice of their lives.

    Altaf Hussain said that by entering into Nizam-e-Adl agreement with Taliban, ANP leaders have left the Pakhtoon people of Swat, Buner and Dir as well as the oppressed people of the entire province on the mercy of the barbaric Taliban and they on their own enjoying life living in their palatial houses with their families.

    Altaf Hussain appealed to the honourable Pakhtoons to form their own groups and raise the flag of ‘Jehad’ for safeguarding the courageous and brave Pakhtoon traditions, as he knows that that the Pakhtoons still today believed in the teachings of Khushhal Khan Khatak, Rahman Baba and Bacha Khan and would not hesitate from any sacrifices for upholding their ideals.

  86. #86 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 11:42 AM

    It is a typical uncouth remark by Altaf to say ANP should wear bangles, BUT what he is saying apart from that is true.

    The Taliban are trying to amass support from local Pushtoons by fusing Pathan identity with Taliban identity. I was shocked at the statement of Haji Muslim Khan, spokesperson of Taliban, who said that every Pathan should own a firearm and use it to enforce Sharia.

    That is not what being a Pathan is about, and that is illegal under Pakistani law, that is immoral and also against the teachings of Islam.

    All Pathans should rise and do something to stop their name being tainted by these psychopath idiots who call themselves real Pathans and Muslims.

  87. #87 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 11:45 AM

    MQM donates relief goods

    MQM has donated essential items worth one million rupees for the internally displaced families of Buner and Dir, affected by terrorism and fighting.

    Federal Minister for Overseas Dr Farooq Sattar handed over a truckload of items to the National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA) here Monday that contains 1,000 ration bags of rice, pulses, sugar, dried milk, tea, flour, ghee and oil to be distributed in the camps set up at Buner and Dir for the people fleeing their homes.

    Talking to the newsmen on the occasion, Dr Farooq Sattar said that MQM solely is extending the assistance on the advice of its Quaid Altaf Hussain that would cater to the requirements of the IDPs for one month. About the affected families turning towards Karachi, he said his party is ready to assist the federal and Sindh governments in their settlement after proper registration.

  88. #88 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 11:51 AM

    UAE’s Pakistani community unhappy with cricketers’ wild ways

    Karachi: The Pakistani community in United Arab Emirates (UAE) has protested against the ‘wild ways’ of some of the Pakistani cricketers during the recently-concluded one-day-series against Australia there, media reports said.
    According to Jang – Pakistan’s leading Urdu daily, some of the national cricketers were spotted spending their evenings in night clubs in UAE. The newspaper added that their inappropriate conduct forced the Pakistanis living in UAE to lodge complaints against them with the team management.

    Leaders of the Pakistani community in UAE were also irked by the fact that Pakistan failed to impress much in the series and lost it 2-3. The report also alleged that some of the Pakistani cricketers also received female guests in their hotel rooms during the series that was played in Dubai and Abu Dhabi after the Aussies refused to travel to Pakistan because of security concerns.

    It said that unlike in the past, the Pakistani team management was quite lenient with the players and there was no “night curfew” for them.

    “Since the team management consists of aging men who like to go to bed early, there is nobody to keep an eye on the cricketers at night time,” the report said Tuesday.

    The Pakistani team management consists of coach Intikhab Alam and manager Yawar Saeed, who are both in their late sixties.

    The report also quoted Pakistan captain Younis Khan as saying that people should refrain from pointing fingers at his players. Younis said that people should just care about how the players perform on the field and should stop talking about what they eat, when they sleep and whom they meet when they are off the field.

  89. #89 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 12:06 PM

    This guy called Shahzaib Hasan from Karachi has been picked for the T20 World Cup. He has hardly any experience and record-wise and experience-wise he is exactly like Ahmed Shahzad.

    Since he is barely experienced I knew from before that his selection would not be based on experience. Today it came in the news that Younis Khan pushed for his selection over Khalid Latif.

  90. #90 by Theossa on May 5, 2009 - 12:34 PM

    I would like to see all Pathans living in Karachi to join or at least support MQM. It’s the party that controls the city and Pathans will greatly benefit from supporting and joining MQM. Let’s face it, Pathans vote for every party in the country and they still do not have any political representation and they are always ignored when it comes to distribution of funds. ANP has strayed form it’s course since the demise of great leader Wali Khan who spent a lot of time in jails during the dictator Zia’s era. It has done nothing significant for Pukhtoons and right now their tactics are selfish and divisive. They were lucky to get some seats because people needed change in NWFP. I do not like the leadership of Altaf Hussain nor the past of MQM but this party is progressing. The best thing MQM could do is to have a Pathan run for the elections on MQM ticket in the Pukhtoon majority areas. Most Pathans are nationalists and they would vote for a Pathan guy and MQM could pocket 3 million + votes in Karachi by making political investments in Pathan majority areas. It’s going to be tough but if MQM can produce a fiery and dynamic Pushtoon leader in Karachi, the echo can be heard in NWFP and MQM can spread their influence in that part of the country. The city of Karachi does not need Pushtoon and Urdu Speaking pitching against one another, it will put city into turmoil. Only the current government would benefit from all this chaos as all the talk will be about Taliban and Karachi violence and not about the incompetency of current government.

    P.S. Taliban are the illegitimate children of Pakistan Army and they are here to stay because the Army and the country use them to scare masses in the country and West to divert attention and getting billions in aid. Why would you get rid of such a cash cow? I think if Army wanted they could clean Talibans just in a few weeks.

  91. #91 by Awas on May 5, 2009 - 12:54 PM


    I admit, I don’t know anything about Shahzaib Hasan but this is what is said about him on Cricinfo:

    “Hasan, 19, is a diminutive opening batsman, and he too has enjoyed very healthy returns in his debut first-class season, scoring 607 runs in ten matches for Karachi Blues at the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy. In one-dayers, he has scored 250 runs in seven games at a strike rate of 96.11″.

    Isn’t that a good enough reason? Good strike rate is needed for T20. Besides, captain is entitled to have his say as well. Remember how Imran chose unknown and unheard of Inzi for the world cup, rest is history.

    You say “I knew from before that his selection would not be based on experience”. Isn’t your statement now contradictory to what we were discussing earlier when I stated why experienced players are preferred by captains in reference to preference for players like Malik and Misbah as opposed to youngsters? Now they are finally picking youngsters but we still criticize.

  92. #92 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 2:13 PM


    Very astute comments and I cannot disagree 🙂
    I think you have recognised that I am in the “burn-the-whole-world-if-Fawad-Alam-is-not-selected” mode 🙂


    Very true in your comments about Pathans and Karachi. Firstly whoever is killing Pathans needs to stop. The assumption is that it is MQM members, but what is interesting is that the leadership of the ANP is working with the MQM to investigate the incidents. If they believed the MQM leadership to be involved they would not come together on so many occasions and say that neither of them are involved. I actually think it is some secret and militant Muhajir separatist group, but I may be wrong.

    I think 7 Urdu Speakers died and 43 Pathans died although MQM says the figures have been exagerrated. If you look at the socio economic map of the city you will observe that the poorest people are Urdu Speakers and Pathans and I think it is very sad they are fighting against each other.

    One thing I don’t understand is that the rich and prosperous of Karachi who live in Defence and Clifton and enjoy the best Pakistan has to offer, why don’t these people ever do anything to quell the ethnic sentiments? In posh areas it is a total melting pot with a combination of Punjabis, Sindhi Wadereys and Memons. After Muhajirs the next most populated ethnicity is Punjabis; yet why don’t we hear much about them or from them?

    These other ethnicities have this attitude, “Let the Muhajirs and Pathans kill themselves and let them fight amongst themselves”. The PPP government should have been more proactive. If there was riots between Sindhis and Pathans or Sindhis and Muhajirs, they would have immediately stepped in.

    I am agree that MQM needs to put a progressive and firebrand Pathan guy on a ticket and make him run elections. However no Pathan will join MQM if they are responsible for the killings of Pathans.

    The combination of the education and broad mindedness of the Muhajir and the courage and honour of the Pathan, is a force to be reckoned with.

  93. #93 by Awas on May 5, 2009 - 2:55 PM


    Lol…@ “burn-the-whole-world”…all these discussions are in good spirit and good fun…that’s important and that’s what I like 🙂

    As you know, I’ll always support a worthy cause such as playing Fawad. Thoessa and I might just be right for once that he’ll get picked this time 🙂

    I do however maintain that knives are coming out too soon for poor captain as he hasn’t even settled down yet. What a cruel world we live in…only some of us know that…ask Sweetie 😦

  94. #94 by Awas on May 5, 2009 - 3:04 PM


    After Muhajirs the next most populated ethnicity is Punjabis; yet why don’t we hear much about them or from them?”

    True, but could it not also be like here in the UK? I hear from many non-Asians “why decent peace loving Muslims here not speak out against the minority terrorists”?

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2009 - 3:08 PM

    LOL Awas, there aren’t any cloaks and daggers here for YK, but I can’t believe that someone like YK playing international cricket for more than 10 years needs a couple more years to shift into the captaincy mode? In a spaceship all the astronauts are trained the same way and each one is capable of taking over from the other, anytime. You may not agree with me on this, perhaps it is not the right analogy for you but it is very apt.

    Either you are a born leader or, you are groomed to be a leader and Younus Khan was groomed, he was Inzi’s deputy for many years and he took charge of the team in his absence, never impressed me with his decision making. I dunno if you remember in India during the Champions Trophy he did not utilize his best bowler Umar Gul fully. Twice Umar Gul did not complete his quota of 10 overs whereas, he was taking wickets. No one knows why he did that.

    Earlier against England at home, he lead the team once when Inzi was not well and that was the only match which Pakistan lost in that series. I don’t really believe that you need time to prove your worth as a captain after playing international cricket for ten years. Secondly I am not saying remove him now. And I am sure khansahab is also not asking for his ouster. We are criticizing his decision making as a captain and his say in team selection but, we are not questioning his batting form. We all know form is temp and class is perm, so please try to understand that this is a healthy criticism.

    Now, don’t look at Sweetie and say its a cruel, cruel world. Because, its a Mad, Mad World and the Urdu translation is Yae Paagal, Paagal Duniya. 😀

  96. #96 by Awas on May 5, 2009 - 3:25 PM


    Good one…but there are some jobs you have to know instantly like the one you mentioned and there are some you grow into it over time. For example, a good surgeon becomes better with experience.

  97. #97 by Abdul on May 5, 2009 - 3:46 PM

    Salam everyone !

  98. #98 by khansahab on May 5, 2009 - 3:47 PM

    W/salam Choudhary saab!

  99. #99 by Theossa on May 5, 2009 - 3:53 PM

    Abdul, the charming young Playa, I’m impressed!

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 5, 2009 - 7:07 PM

    Awas good example but, in a wrong situation. Hamaray players surgeons tou nahee butchers bun saktay hain. Aur aaj kal ka butcher katai kay art say na-waqif hai, sab kuch machine pay kaat ta hai. 😀

  101. #101 by Awas on May 5, 2009 - 7:32 PM


    LOL @ “butchers”…yeah, I guess it would be difficult for any of those batsmen to butcher an opponent’s bowling these days.

  102. #102 by Mohammed Munir on May 6, 2009 - 4:43 AM

    Abdul …

    Cool pic, man.

    You are really looking fresh, energetic, and definitely a Playaaaaaaa 😉

    PS: Ab Tu ‘DRC’ Aur ‘Vanilla’ Ki Khair Nahin 😆

  103. #103 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    It seems like CBN is not showing the 20/20 today! 😦
    There is no mention of live telecast in the programme menu and I hate watching it on the computer and the match starts in about an hour?

    They are showing England and West Indies boring TEST match live. What a shame!! 156/4 England.

  104. #104 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2009 - 2:23 PM

    Oh Shucks ! The 20/20 match is tomorrow May 7th, I got mixed up because of the timing. Even then CBN will not show it because its at the same time when the test will be in progress in England. I have to check if they are showing live on some other channel. Khansahab do you know which one they are showing?

  105. #105 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 6, 2009 - 4:20 PM

    Ravi Bopara made his first test 100 and Pietersen as usual got a duck. There is no interest in the match the TV is on but, I am not watching it, just heard the clapping and discovered that he made his maiden test hundred.

  106. #106 by Abdul on May 6, 2009 - 4:58 PM

    Man , I miss Mushtaq Ahmed playing these days.

  107. #107 by khansahab on May 6, 2009 - 6:54 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I think Ten Sports might be showing it in Canada.

    I will try and post a link here tomorrow.

  108. #108 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 12:35 AM

    “We have to be at our best to win this match because Australia are dangerous in all forms of the game.” Younis Khan

    This is YK’s latest statement before tomorrow’s 20/20. He is back to his senses after making that over confident statement earlier when he said we will defeat Australia 5-0 and now he realized that the half strength Australia is still a dangerous side.

    Anyways, according to the stats, Pak has more chances of winning this T20 tomorrow.

  109. #109 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 9:14 AM


    Younis Khan is suffering from fever and is unlikely to play in the T20.

  110. #110 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 9:26 AM

    I guess this is one way of giving YK a break, because in T20 he is even more vulnerable than he is in a 50 over game. So Miss Bah will takeover from him, it will be kinda testing waters for him. But, it is about time they should appoint Shahid Afridi as captain for the T20 WC.

    khansahab pls post that link here, because CBN is not showing this match they will be showing their team playing against England, a boring test match (at least for me).


    How come you get the chance to BREAK the NEWS b4 Munir who is always right behind Bukhatir all the time and he doesn’t get any info?

  111. #111 by Mohammed Munir on May 7, 2009 - 9:34 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I knew this since yesterday 😉

    It was “may not” and not a “will not”, so I did not disclose it yesterday itself 😆


    See you all at Dubai Sports Stadium and the news is that we will have full entertainments with dancers, fire-works, music/ songs, and possible a VVIP presence from the Sheikhs of Dubai.

    It’s no more cricket game, it is Cricket Festival 🙂

  112. #112 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 9:37 AM

    Javed A Khan

    The way they work is that, any intelligent person will recognise Younis is not a T20 player. Not just in international, but not even in domestic. Yousuf is also a pathetic T20 player. Yousuf’s problems are worse than Younis’s; Yousuf suffers from poor fitness and he is a bad fielder.

    I think they have already decided upon Younis being the captain in T20 WC.

    Afridi will be a much better captain in all forms of the game. He has an excellent captancy record playing for Karachi and his batting has also improved when he has been captain. Afridi is probably the best domestic level captain in the country.

    I will post the link when the match has started because there is no point trying a link if the match is not showing on it at that time. It is difficult to get a link these days because all attention is on IPL.

    As for why I get breaking news earlier than Munir sahab, I guess my sources are more proactive 🙂

  113. #113 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 9:44 AM

    Munir its too late to disclose now bakaoz khansahab has taken the lead. We don’t get Ten Sports here, so I have to watch it on the computer but, I don’t like that anyways lets see. I guess its a packed house today? Thursday night and Friday being a holiday even the Abu Dhabi folks would be coming up to Dubai. I have a feeling that Pakistan will win this match. Fawad Alam will definitely play now.

    Knowing Misbah a little bit, he will not make major changes in the batting order. If Butt and Ahmad Shahzad open then its all over, Pakistan will not be able to post a big total. In my opinion, Afridi and Akmal must open and Shoaib Malik at number 3. Initially the first 4 overs must be utilized and they should score at least 35-40 runs. And, 70-80 in the first 10 overs. Anything below 160 on that wicket is not a defendable total.

  114. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 9:46 AM

    “Yousuf suffers from poor fitness and he is a bad fielder.”

    I am agree.

  115. #115 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 9:50 AM


    As regards a decision has already been taken about YK to be captain of the WC T20, yes I know that has been announced, but Pakistan is a country where nothing is permissible but, everything is “passibal”. Like, YK is sick today, he can have a fitness problem at the last moment and they may change the captain superseding the vice captain. BUTTTTTT, it all depends on, sifarish kitni tugree hai? Ya pressure kitna build up howa hai. I guess, YK has bowed under pressure making way for Fawad Alam.

    In other words, “wo pressure kay dabao may aa gaya.”

  116. #116 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 10:07 AM

    Javed A Khan

    It doesn’t matter if Fawad gets a chance to play or not, as far as today’s match is concerned. They are doing no favours to him by playing him in T20. To be honest he is too good to be playing T20 cricket. A club cricketer from Pakistan can be a good T20 player. Suppose he hits a 50 or takes 3 wickets today, people will not remember it and they will not think highly of him because T20 is all about flukes and risks.

    This is their way of relegating certain players and promoting others. Ahmed Shahzad got to play against Australia, and two in form openers Khurram Manzoor and Khalid Latif were ignored. Shahzad was reportedly chosen because he can play aggressively but we all saw how slowly he batted. Meanwhile Khurram Manzoor played well against Sri Lanka and appeared to get into some form. After that he was very consistent and very aggressive in the RBS Cup, but he was strangely ignored. The strange thing is that both Jamshed and Shahzad were either unfit or very poor in that Cup, which was actually staged so that players for the Australia series could be selected. I would like to find out about this Shahzaib Hasan guy from Karachi, about what his ethnic and political background is.

    I would like to know who that guy was who flew all the way to UAE to compel the team management to play Arafat when they were considering playing Fawad. I saw Younis Khan’s interview on Geo after the 2nd match and he said that “Malik and Misbah can be rested as they are out of form and another batsman can be played in their position”. Now who else was there in the squad who could replace them? Only Fawad.

    So Younis had kept open the possibility of resting them, yet it didn’t happen throughout the whole series. It’s very fishy.

  117. #117 by Mohammed Munir on May 7, 2009 - 10:58 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Yes, you are right about the packed house. There is absolutely no tickets available now, all are sold out for days. Even the most expensive ones are also sold.

    You are also correct about this being a Thursday night thing, it’s like you have a Saturday night fever over there, as we have Friday off.

    Plus this one is not only about cricket, it is about the “CRICKETAINMENT” 😉

  118. #118 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 11:01 AM


    I would like to find out about this Shahzaib Hasan guy from Karachi, about what his ethnic and political background is

    Is that really so important?

  119. #119 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 11:04 AM


    YES! 🙂

  120. #120 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 11:05 AM


    Okay…but you know how I’m like… 🙂

  121. #121 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 11:30 AM


    I thought he might have some political backing from any party.

    Regarding his ethnicity, if he is Urdu Speaking then it ought to lessen the concerns of Urdu Speakers that players of their ethnicity are discriminated against.

  122. #122 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 11:46 AM


    Naaa…only those players hand picked by Salim Altaf should play 🙂

  123. #123 by Mohammed Munir on May 7, 2009 - 11:59 AM

    Khansahab …

    “Regarding his ethnicity, if he is Urdu Speaking then it ought to lessen the concerns of Urdu Speakers that players of their ethnicity are discriminated against”.

    – Does that include All Urdu Speakers 😉

    – Secondly, if he is not an Urdu Speaker and have some other ethnicity, then how will the Urdu Speakers feel ? 😉

  124. #124 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 12:06 PM

    Munir sahab

    1) It does not include all Urdu Speakers.

    2) I don’t think Urdu Speakers are upset at Afridi, Younis, Sohail Khan or Anwar Ali being Pathans from Karachi. But I think if he turns out to be a Punjabi there might be a slight problem 🙂

  125. #125 by Mohammed Munir on May 7, 2009 - 12:39 PM

    Khansahab …

    I liked your very honest and straight forward replies 😉

  126. #126 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 2:25 PM

    ‘Younis should be accountable for Pakistan’s T20 World Cup performance’

    Karachi, May 7 (IANS) Chief selector Abdul Qadir has told Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) that skipper Younis Khan will be completely responsible for his team’s showing in next month’s World Twenty20 Championship in England.

    Qadir, a former leg-spinner, is apparently unhappy with Younis’ interference in selection matters and has told PCB chairman Ijaz Butt that the captain has got the players he wanted in the Twenty20 squad and should be made accountable if his team failed to do well in the June 5-21 spectacle.

    According to sources, Younis forcefully supported the idea of including unheralded youngster Shahzaib Hasan in the 15-man squad for the World Twenty20 Championship. Qadir and the other two selection committee members argued against his selection, saying that the Karachi-based batsman has no international experience.
    However, Younis said that Hasan is a capable pinch-hitter and has the ability to tear apart any opposition.

    The selectors were not fully convinced as they believed that at a major event like the World Twenty20 Championships, Pakistan should avoid taking such a big gamble.

    However, they were unable to overrule Younis and the 19-year-old Hasan was included in the squad. Similarly, the selectors believed that controversial fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar was not fully fit and doesn’t deserve a spot on the England-bound squad. However, Younis didn’t agree with them and told the selectors that Shoaib would have to bowl just four overs in a match and Pakistan will benefit from his experience.

    Pakistan is eyeing the world Twenty20 title this year after losing to India in a thrilling final of the previous edition in 2007.

  127. #127 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 2:40 PM

    Yeah that’s the Younus I like and know…with guts. Go Younus go…and don’t ever listen to Salim Altaf again, otherwise you will have all 11 players like Yasir Arafat 🙂

  128. #128 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 2:57 PM


    It is rumoured that Brian Lara accepted Islam a few days ago.

  129. #129 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 3:08 PM

    Are you serious?

  130. #130 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 3:12 PM

  131. #131 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 3:25 PM

    I don’t know what kind of perception some Pakastanis have about Allama Iqbal.

    I’ve just seen Imran Khan’s interview on Geo and he said, “We need to follow Allama Iqbal’s Islam in Pakastan”.

    Sorry Imran but we need to follow Rasool SAW’s Islam, not Iqbal’s Islam. Iqbal was a great thinker and poet but please don’t give him so much preeminence as you are supposed to give to the Prophet.

    I keep saying ideologically Imran is very similar to the Paindoos of PML N.

  132. #132 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 3:29 PM

    The playing XI has been decided and Fawad is playing in Younis’s place. So the XI that I predicted a few days ago was correct because if Younis was fit, he would be playing this T20 and Fawad would not be playing.

  133. #133 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 3:36 PM


    Imran Khan will soon land in Giddu Bander. And, he will form a party there and will be elected Pagalaon Ka President. I have been saying that Imran Khan has gone bonkers, its true. In 17 years of political career he has not attained any major achievement, only a miracle can bring him to the center stage which I doubt, because miracles don’t happen all the time. But, he is dreaming because no one ever thought Zardari would become the President of Pakistan one day, thanks to Benazir that she got killed and PPP won the sentimental vote and then he came from the backdoor. In case of Imran there is no backdoor or a tunnel from where he can enter the President’s House.

    Cricket: Why Misbah elected to field after winning the toss? Imo, he should have batted first.

  134. #134 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 3:36 PM

    Javed A Khan

    This link usually shows Ten Sports. It is offline at the moment:


  135. #135 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 3:44 PM


    So the XI that I predicted a few days ago was correct

    Okay, so Theossa and I were wrong then even though we repeatedly said Fawad will play? It doesn’t matter how or why.

  136. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 3:46 PM

    khansahab its off-line because the match hasn’t started yet. But, why did Miss Bah choose to bat first after winning the toss? He is a poor finisher so he should have thought about that.

  137. #137 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 3:47 PM


    I did not make that comment to say that you or Theossa were wrong. Does it give that impression?

    I just made the comment to say I was right 🙂

    So two wrongs don’t make a right and two rights don’t make a wrong I guess! 🙂

    So all of us are right 🙂

  138. #138 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 3:49 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I agree they should have batted first. I think Pakistan want to see what type of target they can obtain.

    Misbah has made a selfish decision maybe. He is a poor finisher, but he always bats better in crunch situations. He probably plans to come at no 4, play in his usual nervous style and send Fawad Alam at no 9, or probably not send Fawad Alam to bat at all.

  139. #139 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 3:51 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Link is online now.

  140. #140 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 3:51 PM

    To add further, if Salman Butt and Ahmad Shahzad are going to open the innings then thats it. Both are test players and they will put the team under pressure. I hope they have been asked to shift their gears early? Butt, has already been labeled like YK and Moyo that he is not a T20 player so he will be under pressure and the new lad has been praised a lot for being technically so correct, because he uses straight bat, will not be playing cross bat shots and I suspect they will put the team under pressure by scoring slow or getting out cheaply.

  141. #141 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 3:55 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I think Shahzad may fire, but Butt is very slow. You are right that he should not play T20.

    Oh boy that link has started to stall now! Too many people watching it.

  142. #142 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 4:01 PM


    No, it doesn’t “give that impression”…I just felt like saying what I said…just to tease you 🙂

    Fawad will come in at no 6 or 7.


    As openers, it’s pretty much certain that Salman Butt and Ahmad Shahzad are going to open. Yeah they do need to “shift their gears early”

  143. #143 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 4:04 PM

    Match has not started yet. But, on my TV on CBN there is a news flash that Pak Australia T20 is being shown in ATN plus. And, I cannot find that channel on my TV.

  144. #144 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 4:09 PM

    The UAE Sheikh is walking like a paindoo

  145. #145 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 4:21 PM

    khansahab, I am not getting any cricket from that link and neither I can find ATN plus channel on my TV. The match is delayed because of the Shaikh. Who is that, Shaikh Mohammad The Ruler of Dubai?

  146. #146 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 4:24 PM

    The link has stalled again. This time for quite a while.

    I missed his name but heard someone say he is the PM of UAE or something?

  147. #147 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 4:31 PM

    Yeah, he is the PM and the Ruler of Dubai. I guess they are taking time to introduce him to the teams. I wish they were showing on CBN, but the England / WI match is on and WI collapsed and got a follow-on. Pyaaz (Onions) got 5 wickets. And, in the second innings Chris Gayle is OUT for a DUCK and WI are 14 for one. I watched the highlights of the game earlier and WI dropped 6 catches and 5 of them of Stewart Broad four more and he would have become a cat (a cat has nine lives).

  148. #148 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 4:35 PM

    Khalifa ki first ball pay Chowka…… what a pathetic bowler he is, he keeps bowling short and outside the off stump and a kid would hit him for a four.

  149. #149 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 4:43 PM

    Shoaib is getting slaughtered.

  150. #150 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 4:48 PM

    Pathetic bowling by Tanvir.

  151. #151 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 4:52 PM

    Shoaib Akhtar 2 overs 18 runs! And Younus Khan thinks he can be dangerous in 4 overs. Yes, dangerous for Pakistan because he gives so many runs and boost the opposition’s confidence, shifts the momentum in their favour and dents his own team morale. This looser should not be in the T20 WC squad.

    And, look at Tanvir, 2 overs and 23 runs. He keeps bowling NO BALLS which means he is not confident of his bowling and now he is bowling short like Actor and getting whacked.

    Now, the whole strategy will change because Umar Gul who was supposed to bowl from the 13th over will have to bowl now or else Australia will run away.

  152. #152 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 4:54 PM

    Gul gets one early.

  153. #153 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 5:03 PM

    Tanvir 3 overs 33 runs, now Tanvir and Actor both have given what Australia wanted. The other bowlers will be under pressure. Although Umar Gul took a wicket on the first ball, but Haddin is still there and he will take the lead role after Watson’s departure.

    Now Ajmal is in, like I said, they had to change the strategy. I dunno if this will work, because Saeed Ajmal is not a wicket taker. He may contain the runs in normal conditions but now he might get whacked. Lets see.

  154. #154 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 5:04 PM

    Shahid Afridi is a wicket taker and he should do some early damage otherwise they will not be able to control them.

  155. #155 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 5:08 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Please check your email.

  156. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 5:10 PM

    Wow…….. Afridi got 2 wickets in 2 balls. A double wicket maiden over. Thats what I said, he is a wicket taker and he can control the momentum and even shift it in his favour. Whereas, Ajmal gave away 8 runs in his first over. Now, that Afridi gave a breather, he will be able to bowl with some confidence as the opposition is on the back foot now.

  157. #157 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 5:13 PM


  158. #158 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 5:16 PM

    Boy O’ boy Afridi is on a ROLL……. wonderful performance 2 overs 1 maiden, 4 runs and 3 wickets.

  159. #159 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 5:20 PM

    The channel stalled again! And, what a contest between the bloggers from India and Pakistan on that site, So many Gaali Galochs is it because of this they stalled it?

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 5:32 PM

    Perhaps Khansahab is right, if Australia is out at a very low score and Pakistan wins, Fawad Alam may not even get a chance to bat. But, you don’t know how our JeeYalaa’s bat, so there are many a slip between the cup and the lip. Malik got 2 wickets, like I’ve said before he bowls well when the going is good. Afridi and Gul have provided a perfect platform for him. It doesn’t matter how and why as long as the wickets are tumbling and if Pakistan wins that’s more important than anything else.

  161. #161 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 5:40 PM

    Wow! now Gul 3-3

  162. #162 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 5:49 PM

    Yeah, excellent figures by Gul, he started the rut but, Afridi got the big wickets at the right time. Actor and Tanvir should be dropped. They aren’t good for nothing, dono kay dimagh kharaab ho gaye!

  163. #163 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 5:50 PM

    Afridi LBW was dead plumb!!! Idiot umpire!

  164. #164 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 5:51 PM

    Can Gul get 5 for? As North goes South

  165. #165 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 5:55 PM

    Gul 2nd best figures ever in T20 cricket…

  166. #166 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 5:58 PM

    Gul is the best T20 bowler in the world.

  167. #167 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 6:01 PM

    Good bowling performance by Pakistan. Now, can they do that in batting? They should be able to make those runs in 14 overs.

  168. #168 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 6:02 PM

    As Waqar said, Afridi was very involved right at the end with the catch, in the field, bowling, everywhere…really good!

  169. #169 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 6:04 PM

    Afridi LBW was dead plumb!!! Idiot umpire! Awas

    Awas, mind you both the umpires are Pakistanis and they’ve already given a few LBW decisions in Pakistan’s favour therefore, they must be under pressure because, the Aussies might later claim that they lost the match because of too many LBW decisions went against them. So, to avoid that he must have got double minded and then its too late. Anyways, its not a bad performance, rather very good performance by the bowlers (barring the two idiots – Akhtar and Taniver – they need to be dropped from the WC squad).

  170. #170 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 6:04 PM

    This is the best link…hasnt crashed…use the flash one the one wich has the password.


  171. #171 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 6:08 PM


    I think Tanvir has been a real disappointment but Akhtar can come good occasionally. He was going to be dropped by selectors but Younus insisted.

  172. #172 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 6:25 PM


    Please don’t get offended by this.

    Shahzad has not impressed me much. To include him over Khalid Latif and Khurram Manzoor looks like an act of regionalism.

    Manzoor did not play Sri Lanka badly at all and in fact he played Murali and Mendis well.

  173. #173 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 6:29 PM


    Not offended but…

    Australians did what they are good at…Bret Lee had a few words with the youngster, to get under his skin and got him out. Not everyone can keep their composure under the circumstances, least of all the youngster. Well planned!

  174. #174 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 6:37 PM

    See, what I said was true. Ahmad Shahzad scored 4 runs in 12 balls, what a waste and now Butt Sahab wanted to open his arms and got out. 23 for 2 in 4 overs.

  175. #175 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 6:38 PM

    khansahab & Javed

    How is the link I mentioned? It’s really good. I had kept it when khansahab mentioned it once.

    Since I mentioned that link there were only 250 viewers now the counter says 350 🙂

  176. #176 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 6:43 PM


    The link is called Punjabikings and it has all the goodness and reliability of Punjab 🙂

    Saw some beautiful Punjabans in the crowd by the way…

  177. #177 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 6:45 PM

    The target is so low, if they fail to achieve it then its a real shame.

    Awas, thats the point, Younus does not have to bend over backwards or get under pressure from anyone to include Akhtar in the squad. And its so obvious, in the recent past he has been a BIG disappointment. He is a spent force and a drag he must be jettisoned, otherwise the whole team’s morale will go down. This is just one off performance by the Pakistanis that they managed to pull it off despite Akhtar and Tanvir giving away 50 odd runs in 5 overs. Don’t expect this to happen every time.

    Also, Akhtar and Tanvir cannot blame that the pitch is favouring the spinners, because Umar Gul bowled very well and got excellent figures, he was practically unplayable. So is Brett Lee bowling now. So, it would be a lame and silly excuse to say that the pitch was not suitable for Akhtar and Tanvir.

  178. #178 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 6:48 PM

    Awas, I don’t want to register. So, I really don’t know how good that channel is.

  179. #179 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 6:50 PM

    Pakistan have to be really careful now because Hauritz is going to slow down the run rate and then the asking rate will go up and you know how our players perform under pressure? They need to take at least singles 5-6 runs each over to avoid the last minute, last over pressure.

  180. #180 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 6:51 PM

    There is no registeration, or may be…I cant remember. Kiown khansahab?

  181. #181 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 6:51 PM

    The link is good. It’s the only link broadcasting from ARY Digital.

  182. #182 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 6:53 PM

    No registration- just enter the password when the streaming starts.

  183. #183 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 6:57 PM

    Awas, I am not getting it, it says you need to register and give your valid email details password etc.

    Btw, Misbah is in his slow mode and Akmal is going at his pace which is good.

  184. #184 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 7:02 PM

    48 runs in 52 balls, they are getting slower and slower, why is Misbah not playing aggressively? They have 8 wickets in hand.

  185. #185 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 7:08 PM

    This partnership is going well. They are carrying on how the left from the last ODI.


    They are going fine without taking too many risks. What’s the rush?

  186. #186 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 7:09 PM

    Khatmal is doing the job now, two sixes in a row off Hopes. Australian Hopes dented now.

  187. #187 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 7:10 PM

    Misbah is playing slowly because he wants to retain his wicket. He knows after him Malik will come who is technically a poor batsman. And then Afridi will come who is unreliable. He is afraid Fawad Alam might come and do something special.

  188. #188 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 7:11 PM

    So who will be the man of the match? Afridi, Gul or Akmal?
    Although Gul got 4 for 8 but it was Afridi who dominated and took the big wickets.


    I got to go guys because I am sure now Pakistan cannot loose this match. So, you decide who the MoM will be?

  189. #189 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 7:13 PM


    Tut…tut. Really, do they have to do more than what they are doing? It’s not necessary for both to blast out…is there? That comment was just Fawad passion 🙂

  190. #190 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 7:14 PM

    It should be Afridi because he set the ball rolling, although it will be a close contest between him and Gul.

    I don’t even see how Akmal can be a candidate for the MOM? It was a low total.

  191. #191 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 7:16 PM

    Yeah, it’s a close call between Afridi and Gul. Hard to choose though.

  192. #192 by khansahab on May 7, 2009 - 7:18 PM

    Afridi’s first 3 overs were as good as Gul’s. So he is my MOM.

  193. #193 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 7:27 PM

    Gul’s 2nd best figures ever could just pip him for the MOM

  194. #194 by Abdul on May 7, 2009 - 7:32 PM

    Well played Pakistan. Gul should be MOM. He bowled superbly and the figures speak for themselve.

    Although I would have liked to see more anticipation and aggression in the run chase.The opening combination is simply not suited to this format and simply destroy the tempo of the proceedings.

    On the whole this shall restore pride along with the last odi victory . Also this shall provide some inspiration for the forthcoming T20 WC.

  195. #195 by Awas on May 7, 2009 - 7:35 PM

    Right decision for MOM.

  196. #196 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 9:02 PM

    Yeah, Awas I think it was a good decision to share the MOM award between the two of them. Both did very well.

    Munir: After all khansahab‘s prediction was right when he said, he has high hopes from Afridi and Umar Gul, so in this whole tournament, whenever these two performed well, Pakistan won the match and the surprise package was from Kamran Akmal, he kept the wickets well and also batted well. He cannot perform well when he is sent no.7 or 8 so the captain must recognize this strength in him and use him where he is best.

    Over all, Butt and Ahmad Shahzad are NOT fit for T20 game and they ruin the proceedings. Therefore, Pakistan selectors must take note of this and select the right squad. Change the squad now before it is too late. Also, Afridi and Akmal must open the innings for Pakistan in all the T20 games. Ideally it would be great to have Shahid Afridi and Imran Nazir to open the innings, but whatever the outcome of the decision of the ICL players is, it is very unlikely they will include Imran Nazir.

    Why can’t this whole selection process be without politics and based on regionalism, jingoism? Can’t they select players on merit basis irrespective of which region they represent? Its a shame that such a talent is wasted because of politics.

    Pakistan is definitely the best T20 team in the world, despite the fact they lost to India in the previous WC in SA and we all know how and why? Out of 20 matches Pakistan has won 17 so far.

  197. #197 by Kaleem on May 7, 2009 - 9:06 PM

    Congratulation guys I was sure that u all must be having fun at Pak victory in the twenty twenty game and i am happy to see gr8 performance from the boys. Well done.

  198. #198 by Mohammed Munir on May 7, 2009 - 10:16 PM

    Wow, what a match…. what atmosphere, what entertainment, what fun and most importantly what a fantastic result.

    It was all about the Businessmen, the Babes, the Bureaucrats, the Beauties, the Begumaat, the Budoos, the Best Cricketainment ever !!

  199. #199 by Mohammed Munir on May 7, 2009 - 10:37 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Khansahab’s biggest prediction was that Younis Khan’s is the “most consistent” and Pakistan’s no. 1 batsman. Similarly, Khansahab, had the highest hopes from Younis, then Gul and finally Afridi, for whom he said Afridi may perform.

    All said and done, I guess Khansahab was at least correct about Younis’s consistency, be it good or bad, as Younis Khan has been very consistent throughout the series for not scoring any mentionable runs. Plus he was also very consistent for excluding Fawad Alam, and finally when Fawad was included in a ‘dummy’ T20 match, he neither bowled nor batted.

    BTW, what can one make-up of Younis Khan’s decision to include Shoaib Akhter for the T20 World Cup, specially after seeing his pathetic performance in the UAE Series? Further, how can one go against the Selectors for a player like Akhtar.

    Dubai/ UAE has historically been lucky for some Pakistani players and this time it was Shahid Afridi, who had the time of his life. Best bowling, best batting, good fielding, best leadership and teamwork qualities. I mean Afridi was all that one can ask from a cricket player.

  200. #200 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 7, 2009 - 11:58 PM

    Munir – But I remember what khansahab said about Younus Khan, but we both have been ranting and raving since a long time that neither Mohammad Yousuf nor Younus Khan qualify for T20 matches. In 50 overs yes, but YK is out of form for sure.

    As regards Shoaib Akhtar’s inclusion in the world cup T20 squad, the selectors have to rethink about it and make a decision to drop him. Also, not include Salman Butt in the squad along with this new kid on the block Ahmad Shahzad, they are a negative impact on the team. It would be even better if Younus Khan, Shoaib Akhtar declare themselves as unfit for the tournament and Shahid Afridi is made captain of the team for the T20 WC. Also, include Imran Nazir – I don’t vouch for Abdul Razzak, Rana Nayee and Imran Farhat, but Imran Nazir YES.

  201. #201 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 8, 2009 - 2:27 PM

    I dunno if anyone of you are watching the IPL? For me watching is something far fetched, I am not even following it. Some of my friends who are following have said, there is nothing in this IPL its just like a glorified domestic tournament played in a third country without the current stars, not just Pakistan but from Australia, England and West Indies all of them are missing from action.

    There are also reports that too much fatigue might go against India during the ICC T20 WC in England next month. Well, too much is fatigue and too little is rusty what is ideal? IMO, predicting T20 world champion this time is not easy. Any team on a given day plays well – rather just a couple of players can change the whole game. Could be a bowler or a batsman and that’s it. The team to reckon is New Zealand, they have youth and experience and they are all very fit and agile. Pakistan is no doubt the best team, but they are vulnerable, they can do anything on their day and then they can also fail against a team like Ireland. So no one should put even 2 cents on them. But, I will still support them and consider them as favourites to reach the finals.

  202. #202 by khansahab on May 8, 2009 - 3:47 PM

    Pakistan team bitterly divided, claims report

    Karachi: The Pakistan cricket team after losing the one-day series to Australia has been hit by the reports of disunity in the side.

    According to Express, a national Urdu daily, the Pakistan team is bitterly divided into two camps of captain Younis Khan and vice-captain Misbah-ul-Haq.
    The newspaper claimed Friday that there is little unity in the Pakistan team ahead of next month’s World Twenty20 Championships in England and the players are more focussed on looking after their own interest.

    Pakistan lost the one-day series to a below-strength Australia in Dubai and Abu Dhabi but went on to win the only Twenty20 game of the series in Dubai by seven wickets Thursday night.

    The ODI series defeat was unexpected as Pakistan were the favourites because of home-like conditions in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Also the fact that Australia were without several key players, including regular captain Ricky Ponting, worked in the favour of Pakistanis.

    The report quoted sources close to some of the Pakistan players that the team management headed by coach Intikhab Alam has utterly failed to bring the players together.

    According to the report, the divide among the players was quite visible in the UAE where the two groups allegedly stayed aloof from each other. The report said while Younis has the support of pacers Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul, all-rounder Shahid Afridi, Fawad Alam and a few younger players, Misbah’s lobby includes former captain Shoaib Malik, wicket-keeper Kamran Akmal, opener Salman Butt and pacer Rao Iftikhar Anjum.
    The report also took a swipe at Intikhab, a former Pakistan captain who replaced Geoff Lawson as the team’s coach last October, saying that he is more interested in pleasing the Pakistan Cricket Board’s top brass than sorting out the problems within his team.

    It said that Intikhab was seen making arrangements for complimentary tickets for PCB’s top officials, their families and guest just ahead of Pakistan’s Twenty20 clash against Australia.

  203. #203 by Abdul on May 8, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    I am 100% agree about Nazir,Farhat and Rana Javed but now I have lost hope about their inclusion.

  204. #204 by khansahab on May 8, 2009 - 5:35 PM

    Afridi may captain Pakistan for Twenty 20 World Cup

    Karachi (IANS): Disappointed over Pakistan’s one-day series loss to Australia, skipper Younis Khan is considering relinquishing captaincy for the next month’s World Twenty20 Championships in England.

    According to a source, Younis is unhappy with the bitter criticism aimed at him following the 2-3 series defeat to Australia and he might step down as the captain for the June 5-21 spectacle to be played in London and Nottingham.

    The source said on Friday that Younis is also concerned over the slump in his own batting form and wants to focus on his own performance in the tournament. There are speculations that all-rounder Shahid Afridi could take over as Pakistan captain for the Twenty20 assignment.

    Younis, who replaced Shoaib Malik as Pakistan captain in January, managed to score mere 73 runs in the five-match series at an average of 14.60, his highest being 28.

    Several former cricketers of the country have slammed the Pakistan team for failing to win the series against a second string Australia team.

    Former captain Wasim Akram lashed out at the strategy of the team during the whole series.

    Referring to the team management’s decision to rest fast bowler Umar Gul for the important fourth game, Akram said: “I fail to understand why you rest your in-form bowler.”

    “Pakistan was 2-1 behind, and only a winning team can afford to have a rotation policy,” he added.

    He said Younis was taking extra burden on himself due to the captaincy, which was affecting his batting too.

    “Younis needs to calm down and learn from experience. He made a couple of costly mistakes, he should have promoted Kamran Akmal to the top of the order because he has been batting well,” Akram added.

    Another ex-captain Inzamam-ul-Haq said Pakistan had lost a golden opportunity to defeat the weakened world champions.

    “I am surprised because Australia lost to India and South Africa before this series even with Ricky Ponting and their other leading players who are not playing in this series… I think the batting more than the bowling let us down,” he said.

    The source said Younis was left fuming over the criticism and may inform the Board about his inability to lead Pakistan in England once he returns home with the team from UAE on Saturday.

    According to the source, another reason why Younis is having second thoughts about leading Pakistan in the shortest version of the game, is because he is mainly a Test batsman who can also bat well in one-dayers. But Twenty20 is not his cup of tea, something that was evident from his below-par showing for Rajasthan Royals in the inaugural season of the Indian Premier League (IPL) last summer.

    Younis flopped in that event and was dropped from the playing eleven by the team’s skipper – Shane Warne – for the semifinals and the final. Royals defeated Chennai Super Kings in the final to win the title.

  205. #205 by Awas on May 8, 2009 - 8:17 PM

    I think its Javed’s comment above that is making Younus change his mind 🙂

    There is no doubt that for T20 Afridi is a worthy captain.

  206. #206 by khansahab on May 8, 2009 - 9:24 PM

    This news above of the divisions in the team, I’ve read this report in one more newspaper.

    It seems these groups are made on the basis of seniority. Akhtar, Afridi, Younis are the three most senior players. Gul is probably siding with them because of his friendship with Younis and Afridi and Alam because of Afridi and the Karachi connection.

    Misbah, Butt, Malik, Akmal are all “experienced” players but they have not been around as long as Younis, Afridi etc.

    What I am trying to say is that this is just more than a division based on ethnic differences. Seniority seems to be a cause, too.

    Papers are also reporting that Ijaz Butt is having problems with Salim Altaf. Also, the players are unhappy with Intikhab Alam. Someone also reported that the management of Yawar Saeed and Intikhab Alam is totally aloof and both of these individuals are unconcerned with what the team is doing.

  207. #207 by khansahab on May 9, 2009 - 8:00 AM

    I am not quitting captaincy, insists Younis

    Karachi, May 09: Younis Khan has rubbished speculation that he is planning to step down as Pakistan cricket captain before next month`s Twenty20 World Championships in England due to the recent ODI series loss to Australia.

    Asked about reports in a section of the national media that he was planning to surrender the captaincy ahead of the Twenty20 mega-event, Younis said there was no logical reason for him to take such a step.

    “Why should I think about this. I have just taken over as captain and I am working with the players to turn around the performances of the team and make it a more consistent and winning outfit,” Younis told reporters.

    He also dismissed reports that the team was a divided house and some players were more focused on individual performances against Australia.

    “We are all working to improve the team performances and in this series I think we have gelled well together,” Younis said.

    Pakistan lost the one-day series 2-3 but won the one-off Twenty20 international on Thursday but Younis could not play the match because of flu and fever. Misbah-ul-Haq led the team in Younis’ absence.

  208. #208 by khansahab on May 9, 2009 - 8:08 AM

    Imran Khan’s letter to Gordon Brown, which will probably be used as toilet paper:

    Imran asks Brown to rein in British ‘terrorists’

    Tehran Times Political Desk

    TEHRAN — Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf chief Imran Khan has urged British Prime Minister Gordon Brown to rein in British terrorists’ activities in Pakistan.

    Khan asked Gordon Brown to take urgent notice of the activities of Mr. Altaf Hussain, who from London runs a Karachi-based political party named Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM).

    In an open letter sent to Mr. Brown on Thursday, which was also sent to the Tehran Times, Imran Khan wrote:

    “I want to urgently bring to your attention the activities of a British citizen, Mr. Altaf Hussain who was granted this status after he fled from Pakistan as a fugitive from justice. At the time of his arrival in London, he was facing 234 registered criminal cases against him, including 44 murder charges and 18 torture charges.

    “His Party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) is controlled by Mr. Hussain in mafia-style, with his word being the law. Detractors face the ultimate punishment – death – carried out through the private armed force maintained at his Karachi barricaded headquarters known as Nine Zero.

    “On Mr. Hussain’s order, his Party was involved in the 12th May 2007 carnage in Karachi where 48 people were killed and 200 sustained bullet wounds, including 10 workers belonging to my Party, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI). You can refer to your Karachi Consulate’s report on this incident. The MQM then went on to physically disrupt court hearings of this incident.

    “Most recently, and at a time when the MQM is a coalition partner in the federal and provincial governments, Mr. Hussain (sitting in London) sought to incite ethnic violence and vigilantism by calling on his supporters to arm themselves and fight “talibanization” – a label he tried to put on the 2 million Pushtun workers of Karachi. As a result 36 people were killed over two days of violence. When the Sindh Inspector General of Police implicated the MQM in his inquiry, they demanded his immediate removal.

    “In 2007, on two occasions, the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the MQM met the legal definition of a terrorist organization and its members could not be given political asylum. In addition, the U.S. State Department web site describes the MQM as a “violent organization”.

    “Considering that the British government has arrested people on mere suspicion in the Heathrow case and the recent Pakistani students’ case, it is shocking to find that no investigation has been conducted into the activities of Mr. Hussain despite his public criminal record in Pakistan. Or does the loss of Pakistani lives through acts of terrorism incited by a British national hold no relevancy for the British government?

    “It is this duality of standards which is losing the U.S. and Britain the war for hearts and minds in Pakistan and thereby undermining their efforts to combat terrorism. Now that your government has identified a list of persona non grata, I sincerely hope you will hold an urgent inquiry into Mr. Hussain’s activities in Pakistan in the light of British laws on terrorism.”

  209. #209 by khansahab on May 9, 2009 - 9:05 AM

    An open letter to Imran Khan:

    Dear Khan sahab

    Most Pakistanis and almost every Pathan looks up to you as a national hero. What you have done for Pakistan cricket is amazing. You helped establish Pakistan as a formidable force in sport in the early 1990’s, an era every Pakistani remembers with pride.

    Then you formed your Tehreek e Insaaf, a party which created a tremendous buzz amongst the educated classes in Pakistan. You went against feudals, you went against corrupt landlords and businessmen who head Pakistan’s two largest parties. You gave hope to the Pakistani citizen and for once, it seemed that Pakistanis had found an alternative to the uncouth, uneducated feudals who formed the political hegemony in Pakistan.

    However, you political activities of the past 10 years or so have been shocking. You created alliances with the religious right which has been instrumental in narrowing the social and political vision of Pakistanis. You created an alliance with the PML N, a party that openly campaigns for the supremacy of one province and one race.

    Most importantly, you have turned all your cannons towards the MQM. I find it meaningless to list the wrongs committed by the MQM, firstly because we are all aware of them and secondly, without realising and giving equal credence to the wrongs committed by Punjabi and Sindhi nationalists and supremacists, criticism of MQM is akin to bias and one-sided hatred, which ironically becomes the reason why MQM was created in the first place.

    Which mainstream leader in Pakistani politics does not have cases of murder, corruption or torture against him? What about the similar cases against the Sharif brothers? Or will you not call them terrorists because of their ethnicity and the fact that their supporters form the majority in Pakistan?

    Khan sahab, please be brave and take a stand against all wrongdoers. Politics is a dirty and filthy game where hypocrisy and temporary alliances are the norm, but Pakistan has had too many hypocrites and too many trivial and fake alliances to tolerate. What Pakistan now needs is a principled and honest leader. The foremost quality in this leader should be that he looks at one given ethnicity in the same way as he looks at another ethnicity. Until Pakistan finds this principled leader, there will be no unity, and with no unity there will be no progress and no development.

    The foundations of the Pakistan movement were laid in Aligarh Muslim University. The Urdu Speaking leaders in British India gave rise to this movement and they are the ones who strived to give an identity to the Muslims of India, which obviously included the Punjabis and Pathans that now reside in Pakistan. It was not until decades later that Punjabi and Pathan leaders joined this movement and agreed upon the formulation of an independent Muslim state for the Muslims of India. I am aware your histoy must be sound, but sometimes people needed to be reminded of issues to put things into perspective.

    Muhajirs are the most patriotic Pakistanis. They are the ones who left their homes and travelled hundreds of miles to come to a country which they felt was as much theirs as it was of Punjabis, Pathans, Sindhis and Baluchis. It is a sign of their patriotism and their belief in the ideology of Pakistan, that they question the attitudes of other ethnicities towards them. They are Pakistanis too and it is their unalienable right that they question, criticise, opinionate, protest and condemn the activities of any or all other ethnicities. Asking why they are discriminated against in a country which was also made for them, does not make them unpatriotic.

    Pakistan has much to benefit from the education and broad visioned outlook of the Muhajir. Verily, it is the Muhajir who first identified that feudalism is the cause of lack of development in Pakistan. It is the Muhajir who first identified that religious extremism is un-Islamic and creates hatred amongst people. It is the Muhajir who first campaigned for the equal rights of women in Pakistan’s social structure. It is the Muhajir who has campaigned for the equal rights of Christians, Hindus and Parsees in Pakistan.

    It is the Muhajir who was the first to represent a voice for minorities in Pakistan, just like how the forefathers of Muhajirs were the first ones to represent the voice for Muslims of British India.

    Politics is about compromise. The best politicians are those who are committed to progress and development one way or the other, regardless of their natural biases. The voice of the Muhajir is only represented by MQM at the moment, and compromising, negotiating and discussing progress of the country with Muhajirs on board cannot be done without compromising with the MQM. That is the harsh reality of the situation, and Pakistanis look up to you to acknowledge this reality going forward.

    Khan sahab, you have all the qualities in you to become a figure who commands an almost saint-like reverence, in Pakistan. All it takes is a little maturity, a little compromise and a little bit more patriotism.

    You are the hero of the Pakistani people, a reason for Pathan pride, and the prayers of millions of educated and decent Pakistanis are with you. Please fulfil our expecations.

    Thank you.

    Yours truly

    On behalf of Legslip Management

  210. #210 by khansahab on May 9, 2009 - 10:27 AM

    Younis Khan’s comment about Fawad Alam. It is now clear Younis does not consider Fawad as a batsman, but as an all rounder. It’s a nice little way of disguising the fact that Fawad is probably more capable than Misbah and Malik both:

    Who do I drop to accommodate Fawad? He is an all-rounder and it only makes sense that he replaces an all-rounder instead of a batsman or a full-time bowler. We have two all-rounders in the the team. Shoaib Malik and Shahid Afridi and they have both performed well in the series. If I drop Malik, I will get blamed for leaving out my predecessor and if I leave out Afridi, God knows how many people will come after my life!

  211. #211 by Mohammed Munir on May 9, 2009 - 11:35 AM

    Younis Khan said, “I will get blamed for leaving out my predecessor”.

    Why is he so afraid of being “blamed” ?

  212. #212 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 9, 2009 - 1:17 PM

    Why is he so afraid of being “blamed” ?

    Because, he is not too confident of himself. Apart from the background (twice rejecting the captaincy and accepting now) it is his own form that is questionable. And, he has been labeled only as a ‘test player.’ In ODI’s he is OK if his form is good, but in T20 he is a totally misfit.

    Not only in the T20 WC but, also during the IPL when he played for Rajhastan Royals he sat on the bench. Although Afridi, Malik and Misbah in fact all Pakistanis like Butt, Hafeez, Akhtar, Asif failed in the IPL except for Tanvir. And Akmal played almost all the matches because he was the wicketkeeper of the winning team, his batting was not that good in the IPL but it was OK. Despite all this, all these players are OK for T20 but, NOT Younus Khan.

  213. #213 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 9, 2009 - 1:27 PM

    The talk about division in the team is not new. Although in all the recent matches, during this series whenever a wicket was taken all the players were hugging each other or stood in a huddle and gave pats on the back and the Butts that was not there before during Malik’s time. But, the batting was really pathetic and if this kinda batting continues they will loose against, India, SA, NZ and even England. Not to mention Australia.

    There will always be grouping from players and to avoid this, the captain needs to be strong and also he must perform and lead from the front. Neither Malik, nor YK has these qualities. Pakistan’s Selector’s problem is they never give the captaincy to the right person at the right time. Imran Khan got that job when he was at his peak and retired at the right time.

    Inzamam was not ready to captain the side, but there was no choice all other senior players were involved in betting and match fixing and slowly but surely he took control of the “boyz” be it in his own tableeghi way, but the team was winning except for the WC disaster and that forced him to retire early. He could have easily continued batting for a few more years.

    Malik was the wrong choice and now YK is another mistake. On top of that making Misbah the vice captain doesn’t make any sense. Just like the way they made Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif as VC’s for a short time. It is about time they make SHAHID AFRIDI THE CAPTAIN. He must lead the T20 WC team for Pakistan. They should not wait for another disaster by retaining Younus Khan as captain or even in the squad. He needs a break. Among the fast bowlers Anjum needs a break and Sohail Khan should get in.

  214. #214 by khansahab on May 9, 2009 - 5:50 PM


    Agreed, but there is also a malicious angle to this unnecessary and counter-productive classification. They know that by classifying him like that he will not be able to replace Malik.

    I didn’t mention Afridi’s name there because Fawad and Afridi are poles apart. One is an attacking legspinner, the other is a nothing bowler who just rolls his arm from time to time. One is a pinch hitter and the other is a proper albeit multi talented batsman. That is the reason why Fawad cannot be Afridi’s replacement. It will weaken the bowling considerably.

    There is politics going on bigtime. Right from the mysterious selection of Arafat in 3 matches, to not playing Akmal at no 3 when he was Pakistan’s best batsman in the 1st match. I will gain nothing personally whether Fawad is excluded or not, but whose loss is it? The country’s.

  215. #215 by khansahab on May 9, 2009 - 6:08 PM

    Regarding the team divisions I am surprised at Misbah and Butt.

    I remember phoning my father and explaining to him what a good player Misbah was and what good personality he had and how educated he was etc, during the 2007 T20 WC.

    Similarly when Butt came into international cricket with a bang I was crazy about his cover drives and the fact that he was slightly more mature and educated than other players.

    Butt went to Beaconhouse School in Lahore which is one the top schools.

    I don’t understand how Misbah and Butt can turn paindoo in the crowd of Malik, Akmal and Rao. What is the purpose of having MBA or going to Beaconhouse if you become paindoo?

    I can expect uncouthness from Afridi, Gul and Younis because neither of them are educated.

    I don’t know why Misbah and Butt are succumbing to petty politics.

  216. #216 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 9, 2009 - 8:38 PM

    Swat has become the target of Talibans and reportedly it is an orchestrated move from India, Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan. The rumours were based on something and now some people have delve deeper in digging out the facts:

    India Funds Swat Terrorists: Rs. 650 Million To Destabilize Pakistan

    This report, based on arrests of Indian terror agents on Pakistani soil, was published in October 2008. It is relevant today as the valiant soldiers of the Armed Forces of Pakistan take the final plunge to cleanse Pakistani territories of the mercenaries of the Indians and others who have infiltrated our land.


    Saturday, 9 May 2009.


    WASHINGTON, D.C.—There have been reports about Indian involvement in BLA and other nefarious crooks of the garden variety. Now there is solid proof and Indian RAW agents have been caught red handed.

    India intelligence: “the aim of RAW is to keep internal disturbances flaring up and the ISI preoccupied so that Pakistan can lend no worthwhile resistance to Indian designs in the region.”

    We HAVE discussed the Indian involvement in terror activities in Pakistan.

    India a secret player in Afghanistan: Bases—Lashkargarh, Qushila Jadid, Khahak, Hassan Killies

    We have reported on Indian intelligence services through our correspondents in Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, India, Pakistan and USA. Now there are reports that Afghans have been captured and who have admitted to the RAW activities.

  217. #217 by deezina07 on May 9, 2009 - 9:50 PM


    1 lakh rupee car in India will drive demand for cars within India by many times. It would replace the motorcycle and the cycle. The industry that supports the manufacturing of these cars have an enviormental impact (carbon-emissions) and so does the running of these cars. If you notice Obama, this is precisely why he is hell-bent on eviornment-friendly cars and green technology. India is a population of 1 billion and so far it has been relatively self-sufficient in terms of food and agriculture. Unfortunately, rapid inustrialization has taken its toll on Ganges in India. Its drying up is both rapid and accelerating. When India starts importing food (and similar is the case in China) the world food prices will rise. This was witnessed prior to the current recession and once recovery takes place, this will happen again. Except more forcefully as the drying up of rivers in the world is expediated.

    The world goes in cycles, the wetern world has the financial roost, and prior to that of industrialization and increased productivity following enlightenment and achievements in science, but now Inustrialization is the very phenomenon that is drying up the rivers of the world and threatening world food supply. A decrease in supply increases price, this is the most basic tenet of economics. Smart people ar investing in agriculture throughout the world. This is not a thought experiment in the nature of the world, it is actually happening. You can check the drying up of rivers on google and see what the IMF predicts in terms of world food shortages.

  218. #218 by deezina07 on May 9, 2009 - 10:31 PM



    In any case the point was that rather than buying food produced on its own land from Arabs at a “surplus price”, Pakistan will be much better of selling the same food to Arabs at a surplus price. The fact that land-grabbing is taking place now, probably at very cheap prices, is short-sighted.

    This link is pretty thorough:


  219. #219 by khansahab on May 10, 2009 - 9:05 AM

    A weapon no more

    By Humair Ishtiaq

    It is some indication of the level of self-belief in the national cricketing establishment that even a 2-3 loss to a second-string Australian side is being taken as some sort of a relief because it may well have been 1-4, or even 0-5.

    For a team that was desperate for some international cricket after being given the cold shoulder even by minnows like Bangladesh, the lack of fight put up by the unit was surprising. The final scoreline hardly reflects the gap between the two sides in terms of their approach towards the game. The Australians were more intense on the field, with the newcomers trying to make the most of an opportunity that had come their way because of the absence of key players for one reason or the other.

    The Pakistani approach, on the other hand, was not clear-headed. The decision to rest Umar Gul, the only paceman in the side with the ability to strike, was indicative of that confusion within the camp. Talking of a rotational policy was preposterous in a side starved of on-field activity; especially in a match that was crucial to Pakistan in terms of keeping the series alive. Instead of putting their best foot forward in the crunch game, they preferred to rest the much-rested player. Having lost the series, they fielded a full-strength side even including a half-fit Shahid Afridi when they could have given him a rest and played Fawad Alam who kept waiting in the wings. Taken to logical conclusion, the strategy would suggest that Pakistan was more interested in a 2-3 scoreline than a possible 3-2.

    There were a few things that came out of the UAE outing. Afridi returned to form. In fact, he came out, as they say, firing on all cylinders. He was the highest wicket-taker on either side, claiming 10 for an average of 17.4 per wickets and at an economy rate of 3.7 runs per over. Barring the last match in which Misbahul Haq and Kamran Akmal put up a decent partnership, Afridi was clearly the most consistent batsmen with 111 runs in the four innings that he played. More than that, he showed maturity in his shot selection and a new-found desire to spend some time in the middle. In many ways, he was a revelation.

    At the other extreme was Shoaib Akhtar who was sailing in the same boat as Afridi before the start of the series, with big question marks dangling against their future prospects with the team. Being the team’s main strike weapon – supposedly, one may add for good measure – it was a pity that Shoaib could bowl only 27 overs in the series; Afridi, by the way, bowled 47. It was sheer relief – if not downright ecstasy – that Shoaib never broke down and always left the field on his own two legs. Beyond that, he was good for little else.

    His spell at the beginning of the last match left little doubt in anybody’s mind about the huge distance that separates Shoaib and fitness. There was a visible limp in his legs and he was labouring through his run-up. There was no follow-through worth its name and so tired was he that even when he got a wicket against the run of play, he had no energy in him to celebrate. He ended the series taking three wickets for 152 runs at an average of 50.66 per wicket with a strike rate of 54 balls per wicket and an economy rate of 5.66 per over.

    It was hardly the stuff expected of him, but Shoaib could still bask in glory of some kind; his two wickets in the fourth match of the series was the first time he had taken more than a wicket in the shorter version of the game since his 3/42 against India at Mohali on November 8, 2007. Not that he had been getting one-wicket ‘hauls’ on a consistent basis, but two-wicket ‘bursts’ have been well and truly rare. The one in Abu Dhabi came a mere 539 days after that historic day in Mohali.

    Interestingly – in fact, intriguingly – there is another wait that has yet to come to an end. The last time Shoaib bowled his full quota of ten overs in an ODI dates back to Nov 15, 2007. He never bowled more than seven in a match during the series against Australia. This means 541 days and still counting. If nothing else, let’s stop calling him our ‘main weapon’. After all, weapons are meant to cause damage to opponents, aren’t they?

  220. #220 by khansahab on May 10, 2009 - 9:23 AM


    Aamir Iqbal is Abdul, also known as Charlie. God knows what other names he will invent?

  221. #221 by khansahab on May 10, 2009 - 9:44 AM

    Imran “Taliban” Khan recently said in his interview that he respects Qazi Hussain Ahmed because Qazi is not corrupt.

    Imran Khan appears to be ignorant because it is a known fact that Qazi openly criticises USA in Pakistan but his daughter lives on social security in USA. If he hates America so much why is his daughter living on US taxpayers’ money?

  222. #222 by Mohammed Munir on May 10, 2009 - 11:29 AM

    Khansahab …

    Are you also taking “Politics” as one of your major subject besides Law ? 😆

    Sachi… I think you are too young and too sweet to take so much interest into this crap called ‘Politics’. A brotherly advice will be to let it go.

  223. #223 by khansahab on May 10, 2009 - 11:38 AM

    Munir sahab

    I did UK & American politics at Advanced Level at college. That is where my interest developed.

    I have been uncomfortable with UK and American politics however for two reasons. There is corruption here too, and too much emphasis on image and power, and too little emphasis on principles. The second reason is obviously their hawkish and biased approach towards the Muslim world.

    I think I have a political mind. When I started doing politics I was the weakest student in my class. I had no idea what politics was. When I finished I was the best student in a group of 40-45. So I picked up very quickly which shows the “real” me is good at it.

    The reasons why I might not be successful though are these:

    1) I am a very quiet person and when I open my mouth, I only want something wise and good to come out of it.

    2) I don’t have money.

    3) I don’t think about image unless I have a sexual interest in a girl. But with ordinary people, I try to be who I am and don’t care what they think of me.

    4) I can be diplomatic, but only if it achieves a good result. Otherwise I won’t be diplomatic for the sake of being diplomatic.

    5) I give more easily than take. Politics is about giving but “taking” a lot too.

    So you are RIGHT that it’s not for me. I am just concerned about Pakistan and the ignorance and bias in the minds of the people.

  224. #224 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 10, 2009 - 10:57 PM

    As regards the comments on this article of Osman on cricinfo most of the Indians seems to be very happy that Pakistan is not hosting the 2011 ICC Cup and are taunting at Pakistan about the security concerns. Like most people are pointing fingers at India that if their own country is safe then why the hell IPL is being staged in South Africa? And, Bangladesh as well as Sri Lanka also are not free from terrorism there are people dying there everyday unless there is an Ostrich policy being adopted here.

    What is the guarantee that the ICC Cup will go smoothly without any incident? What will they do if something happens there? Blame Pakistan as usual? The Mumbai suspect Qasab has denied all charges against him and now where is that case heading to? The only way India can defend itself is by taking Qasab to the gallows. There will never be a free trial. If there is a free trial then the truth will come out and Indian government would never want that to happen. Such is the game of politics which we are all witnessing in the cricket ground too. What a shame!

  225. #225 by Awas on May 10, 2009 - 11:09 PM


    If a nothing person like Mayawati, chief minister of UP, has a chance to become PM of India, you sure have better credentials to make a name for yourself 🙂

  226. #226 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 11, 2009 - 1:38 AM

    Awas “I am agree” avec vous. A few months ago I met a young man (24) from African American origin doing his Masters in Political Science from McGill University and he is an FOB at McGill, perhaps his motivation is based upon Obama’s success. There are so many people who now believe that an average American can fulfill his/her dreams and achieve whatever he or she wants to achieve. This guy was telling me that he is very much interested in India Pakistan politics and that is the main focus of his studies. Upon my asking what he already knows? He said, “A lot” and I insisted that he should tell me something.

    Then, I asked him a few questions and I was shocked that he has such wrong information and knowledge about the history of India and Pakistan yet he thinks he knows a lot and knows better than most Pakistanis or Indians. I spent a good 30 minutes giving him a lecture and correcting him wherever necessary.

    And, he was surprised that I know more than his history professor and I told him that he must have met a few young Indian/Pakistani students or people who have no interest in politics or history and you assumed that your knowledge about India and Pakistan is far more superior than the average citizen of that country. I said, you better correct your perception as well as your knowledge if you want to pursue your career in politics.

    Also told him, if you want to know more, you better come to me, and I won’t charge you because your professor of history is a liability for the university because he is only doing some research in bits and pieces and he thinks that since he is a professor, no one can challenge him. It is like non-Muslims are professors of Islam and they think they are authority on Islam. The irony is the students when they graduate or complete their post-graduation studies think their professors are the best and what they have learned in their universities is the truth and the ultimate realities. Whereas, the truth is, historians have altered and changed the facts and the history books do not represent the real truth. They twist the facts and they write what they want to write and make others believe what they have written in the history books is the truth. That is not correct, everything that is written is not correct.

    I am sure khansahab knows more about American politics more than an average American! 😀 No pun intended, I mean it.

  227. #227 by khansahab on May 11, 2009 - 10:37 AM

    Why is the PCB giving Asif another chance? Recently the Attorney General of UAE gave a statement and said Asif was found with opium which is why he was detained. Then what is the point of this inquiry?

    PCB gives Asif another chance

    Cricinfo staff

    May 11, 2009

    The PCB has given fast bowler Mohammad Asif another chance to prove he was not deported from the UAE last year for possession of opium. A PCB statement on Monday said Asif was absent from the latest sitting of the three-man committee inquiring into his reported deportation as he was in the United Kingdom “without informing the board or the inquiry committee”. It has set June 1 as the date for its next meeting with Asif.

    Asif had earlier verbally informed the committee that he was not deported after being detained for 19 days in Dubai on June 1 last year when 0.24 grams of opium was found in his wallet at the airport, as he made his way back to Pakistan after playing in the IPL. Documents from the Dubai public prosecutor leaked to the press confirmed the identity of the substance Asif was found with and also his admission that he had used a substance, although he denied that it was opium.

    If Asif was indeed deported, he would be unable to ever return to the UAE, thereby casting serious doubts over his international future as Pakistan are scheduled to play most of its home matches there owing to security fears after the Lahore terror attack in March.

    “We have scheduled our next meeting on June 1… to facilitate your presence in the meeting,” Wasim Bari, the PCB inquiry committee head, wrote in a letter to Asif on Monday. “In case you are unable to attend because of various reasons, kindly inform us so that the committee can proceed forward and finalize its recommendations to the (cricket) board to close this inquiry.”

    Asif was also banned for one year by the IPL last September for testing positive for the banned substance nandrolone during the tournament. In 2006, Asif was suspended for one year by the PCB after testing positive for nandrolone, but the ban was overturned on appeal.

  228. #228 by khansahab on May 11, 2009 - 11:35 AM

    Miandad seals it with a six

    The shot that rang out around the world

    Kamran Abbasi

    April 26, 2009

    Sharjah had become a hotbed of India-Pakistan rivalry, its stands crammed full of expats and its executive boxes jam-packed with celebrities. Television had begun to cast its mesmeric spell upon the people of South Asia, and the combatants were rising in stature on the world stage, flexing their pulling power.

    Pakistan had never really won any tournament of significance, and even the imaginatively titled AustralAsia Cup looked beyond them as Javed Miandad orchestrated a faltering run-chase. Even down to the last over, India were in command, Javed’s battling century futile.

    A boundary was required off the last ball, with one wicket in hand. Pakistan’s premier batsman took what seemed an eternity to survey the outfield, at one point looking as if he was counting the number of fielders.

    Chetan Sharma knew what to do: a yorker would seal Pakistan’s fate, and another victory over the old enemy. The thinking was perfect but the execution flawed. Sharma’s yorker emerged as a low full-toss that Javed propelled with savagery over midwicket. Even before it cleared the boundary, Javed had raised his arms, sprinting off the pitch in celebration.

    With one shot he became a national hero. Gifts were lavished upon him. And Pakistan began a run of success against India that was attributed to the psychological power of that six.

  229. #229 by khansahab on May 11, 2009 - 11:47 AM

    I consider myself unlucky to not being able to see the Sharjah match live in April 1986. (I was not born then!)

    I have however seen the clip on Youtube. I feel unlucky to not have seen Miandad batting, to see how he used to plan his shots and to see his tenacity and determination.

    In Pakistan people don’t say Miandad’s name with as much respect as they give to Imran Khan, Wasim, Waqar, Zaheer Abbas or Inzamam, and most of what I have learned about Miandad is from the English, the Australians and the West Indians. They go so far as to say that Miandad was Pakistan’s best cricketer alongside Imran Khan. Looking at Miandad’s record and especially the fact that he never averaged below 50 in his career, makes him Pakistan’s best all time batsman by a mile.

    That moment must have been a magical one where he hit that six. The crowd was chanting “Great Miandad!” as he was running back to the dressing room. It was a tribute to a legend, to a street fighter and to someone who dented the mentality of the Indian cricket team for almost 2 decades.

  230. #230 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 11, 2009 - 2:29 PM


    That eez Bakaoz Asaf is our SuTaar and our Salibratty and he is also the Glen McGrath of Pind Matchikey, Tahseel SheikhooPura, Kingdom of Punjab.

  231. #231 by Aamir Iqbal on May 11, 2009 - 4:09 PM

    My name is Javed A Khan and I am unimpressed by Wasim Akram because he has taken over 400 + test wickets and is only up there with the top 10 bowlers of all time.

    Same with Mushtaq Ahmed. I rate him as a mediocre because he takes too many wickets .

    Also ipart from picking on these 2 characters I have huge disrespect for Theo’s dream love of Natallie and like to continuously insult him. I also love sarcasm such as implying ” Younis Khan purposely gives his wicket away ” because I am standing clueless on the rules of cricket.

    On the V talk 9 page I like to bore people to boredom with long lusty unprofessional comments.

  232. #232 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2009 - 1:44 AM

    Abdul, Urf Amir Iqbal on your bila waja ungal kerring, you have to take this retort from me as a trailer. Unwaan hai, “Jab cheenti ki maot aati hai tou uskay purr nikal aatay hain”. So what crawled up and died there in your backyard that you are taking a panga with me? Earlier you called me Kameena and I ignored that, bucchee samajh ker. Now you are provoking me for no reason shayed, tumhari nunhi si andaam-e-nahani may meri batain poori terha nahee jaateen, shayed tumhay Theo ka ala-e-tanasul darkaar. Koi baat nahee, hum sab Pathan hain, bahot ekta hai hum may. Ek bhai na sahee dooosra bhai sahee. Like I have said, this is just a trailer ab tou khail shuroo howa hai Munir bhee Behti Ganga may hath dho lega! Hai kay nahee? 😉 Munir’s wink! Aur kaleem tou baqaol tumharay tumhara jaani dushman hai.

  233. #233 by Kaleem on May 12, 2009 - 4:14 AM

    LOL at Javed Khan and khansahab’s comments on Abdul, I mean Aamir Iqbal. Luddoo why are you taking panga with those who are bigger than you? U just stick with me and I will take good care of you. On that cheenti example, I have another example for you. Do you know when a dog lifts his leg and pee on a fire hydrant it means what? It means Reshma Jawan Ho gayee. Since you started talking about Rani Mukerjee I was thinking the same that Maddaa Puppoo Jawand ho gayaa. 🙂 Last time I gave you a smooch and you did not even budge it means you like it, right? So let me give you one more Ummmmmmmh. 🙂

  234. #234 by Mohammed Munir on May 12, 2009 - 5:47 AM

    My god …. Javed you are one hell of a Chaloo ……… really I was LMAO (Laughing My A$$ Off) by reading your about comments 😛

    Firstly I read Abdul Urf Amir Iqbal’s comments and I thought it was funny and I liked it (but deep down I was thinking to myself that Abdul is pushing his luck and Billa Waja Saanp Ki Bill Mein Ungal Daal Raha Hai), but when I read your reply to his post …… Astughfirullah 😯

    It seems that Saamp Has gone back into Abdul’s Bill 😆

    LOL @ “Theo Ka Ala-e-Tanasul” 😉 (I don’t know how many on LS do understand this ‘thick’ Urdu word, but, if Abdul wants to know the meaning I can tell him in ‘private’ or we can even request Theo to show his Ala-e-Tanasul to Abdul) Chhee Chhee :devil:

    Javed … Lagta Hai Tum Ne Adbul Ki Dhhaggian Uraa Kar Rakhh Deen Hain, but I will not blame you and as you correctly said, he ‘took’ your ‘punga’ twice and you rightly gave him all that ‘punga’ and a bit more this time 🙂

    Although he is just a kid, but as they say, the younger they are … the better they taste 😉
    (We Pathans use that logic for ‘Bachhra’ (calf), whose meat we so much like).

    And you are so right about “Munir will surely not mind Dhooing his hands in the Behti Ganga”. Who can know a Pathan better then another Pathan 😀

    I think now Theo may come out in defence of Abdul, but this time, Balatkaar Ki Saari Ki Saari Rasmein Poori Ho Chukki Hain 😉

  235. #235 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 7:36 AM

    Qadir in hot soup over outburst

    KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Monday warned its chief selector Abdul Qadir to refrain from making statements after he had criticised Pakistan captain Younus Khan in the media.

    Former Test leg-spinner Qadir, while talking to a local news agency, had said Younus would be held fully responsible for Pakistan’s showing in the next month’s World Twenty20 Championship in England.

    Qadir had issued stinging statements against Younus shortly after returning home from the United Arab Emirates where Pakistan lost the one-day series against Australia.

    According to sources, the PCB hierarchy has taken serious notice of Qadir’s interview in which he said Younus had overruled him on selection of several players in the Pakistan World Twenty20 squad.

    The sources further said the deliberations between Qadir, fellow selector Shoaib Mohammad and Younus on the makeup of the squad were held in a cordial atmosphere in Abu Dhabi last week.

    But surprisingly Qadir, upon returning to Lahore, claimed in the media that the 15-man squad selected was not what the selectors had wanted because Younus insisted on the inclusion of promising newcomers Shahzaib Hasan and Mohammad Aamir.

    Sources claim that being the paid chief selector, Qadir – arguably the finest leg-spinner produced by Pakistan – has clearly breached the PCB code of conduct by making irresponsible statements and now must give a valid explanation for this sudden outburst.

    Qadir also blasted several players, without naming them, for performing poorly during the five-match One-day International series which Australia won 3-2.

    The chief selector warned that such players would not be tolerated for long because they had performed much below the expectations of the nation.

  236. #236 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 8:06 AM

    Strife in Pakistan is over ethnic, not religious differences

    By Selig Harrison

    To American eyes the struggle raging in Pakistan with the Taliban is about religious fanaticism. But in Pakistan it is about an explosive fusion of Islamist zeal and simmering ethnic tensions that have been exacerbated by U.S. pressures for military action against the Taliban and its al-Qaida allies. Understanding the ethnic dimension of the conflict is the key to a successful strategy for separating the Taliban from al-Qaida and stabilizing multiethnic Pakistan politically.

    The Pakistani army is composed mostly of Punjabis. The Taliban is entirely Pashtun. For centuries, Pashtuns living in the mountainous borderlands of Pakistan and Afghanistan have fought to keep out invading Punjabi plainsmen. So sending Punjabi soldiers into Pashtun territory to fight jihadists pushes the country ever closer to an ethnically defined civil war, strengthening Pashtun sentiment for an independent “Pashtunistan” that would embrace 41 million people in big chunks of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    This is one of the main reasons the army initially favored a peace deal with a Taliban offshoot in the Swat Valley and has resisted U.S. pressure to go all out against jihadist advances into neighboring districts. While army leaders fear the long-term dangers of a Taliban link-up with Islamist forces in the heartland of Pakistan, they are more worried about what they see as the looming danger of Pashtun separatism.

    Historically, the Pashtuns were politically unified before the British Raj. The Pashtun kings who founded Afghanistan ruled over 40,000 square miles of what is now Pakistan, an area containing more than half of the Pashtun population, until British forces defeated them in 1847, pushed up to the Khyber Pass and imposed a disputed boundary, the Durand Line, that Afghanistan has never accepted. Over Pashtun nationalist protests, the British gave these conquered areas to the new, Punjabi-dominated government of Pakistan created in the 1947 partition of India.
    At various times since, Afghan governments have challenged Pakistan’s right to rule over its Pashtun areas, alternatively pushing for an autonomous state to be created within Pakistan, an independent “Pashtunistan” or a “Greater Afghanistan” that would directly annex the lost territories.

    Fears of Pashtunistan led Pakistan to support jihadist surrogates in the Afghan resistance during the Soviet occupation in the 1980s and, later, to build up the Taliban. Ironically, during its rule in Kabul the Taliban refused to endorse the Durand Line despite pressure from Islamabad. Afghan President Hamid Karzai has also resisted, calling it “a line of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers.”

    The British got the most rebellious Pashtun tribes to acquiesce to their rule only by giving them formal autonomous status in their own “Federally Administered Tribal Areas” (FATA). This autonomy was respected by successive Pakistani governments until the Bush administration pressured former President Pervez Musharraf into sending his army into those areas in 2002, displacing 50,000 people. Since then, Predator strikes have killed more than 700 Pashtun civilians.

    So how should the Obama administration proceed?

    Militarily, the United States should lower its profile by ending air strikes. By arousing a Pashtun sense of victimization at the hands of outside forces, the conduct of the “war on terror” in FATA, where al-Qaida is based, has strengthened the jihadist groups the U.S. seeks to defeat.

    Politically, U.S. policy should be revised to demonstrate that America supports the Pashtun desire for a stronger position in relation to the Punjabi-dominated government in Islamabad.

    The Pashtuns in FATA treasure their long-standing autonomy and do not like to be ruled by Islamabad. As a March 13 International Crisis Group report recognized, what they want is integration into the Pashtun Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP).

    The United States should support Pashtun demands to merge the NWFP and FATA, followed by the consolidation of those areas and Pashtun enclaves in Baluchistan and the Punjab into a single unified “Pashtunkhwa” province that enjoys the autonomy envisaged in the inoperative 1973 Pakistan constitution.

    In the meantime, instead of permitting Islamabad to administer the huge sums of U.S. aid going into FATA, the Obama administration should condition the aid’s continuance on most of it being dispensed in conjunction with the NWFP provincial government.

    Al-Qaida and its “foreign fighters,” who are mostly Arab, depend on local support from the Taliban for their FATA sanctuary. Unlike al-Qaida, with its global terrorist agenda, most of the Taliban factions focus on local objectives in Afghanistan and FATA; they do not pose a direct threat to the United States. U.S. policy should therefore welcome any new peace initiatives by the secular Pashtun leaders of the Awami National Party, now ruling the NWFP, designed to separate Taliban and Taliban-allied Islamist factions from al-Qaida. As in Swat, military force should be a last resort.

    In the conventional wisdom, either Islamist or Pashtun identity will eventually triumph, but it is equally plausible that the result could be what Pakistani ambassador to Washington Husain Haqqani has called an “Islamic Pashtunistan.” On March 1, 2007, Haqqani’s Pashtun predecessor as ambassador, the retired Maj. Gen. Mahmud Ali Durrani, said at a seminar at the Pakistan Embassy, “I hope the Taliban and Pashtun nationalism don’t merge. If that happens, we’ve had it, and we’re on the verge of that.”

  237. #237 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 11:10 AM

    Pakistan to tour Sri Lanka for a full series in July

    Karachi, May 12 (PTI) After a gap of nearly 20 months, the Pakistan cricket team will finally be playing a proper and full Test series when they tour Sri Lanka in July.
    The cricket boards from both the countries have finalised the itinerary for Pakistan’s tour of Sri Lanka from June 27 to August 12 which will include three Tests, five one-day internationals and a Twenty20 international.

    According to sources in the board, Pakistan will leave for Sri Lanka on June 27 and start the tour with the first Test in Galle from July 4.

    The second Test would be held from July 12 in Kandy followed by the final Test in Colombo from July 20.

    The two teams will then engage in the one-day rubber with the first three matches scheduled in Dambulla on July 30, August 1 and 3 followed by two games in Colombo on 7 and 9.

    The only Twenty20 match would also be held in the Sri Lankan capital on August 12, sources in the board said

  238. #238 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2009 - 12:22 PM

    Munir: Mai nay koi aisi ghalat baat nahee ki, the Ala — means Scanner. And the other one is Khopree, so he needs a brain scan that’s what I wrote. Don’t mislead the kid with your sinister winkies. 😉 And don’t use the word “thick” to scare him off, you should have said, Salees Urdu ya Shusta Zubaan.

  239. #239 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    Lack of cricket won’t harm Pakistan’s chances – Afridi

    Osman Samiuddin
    May 12, 2009


    Shahid Afridi: “Wickets in England might be slower, a little less bounce so I’ll make slight adjustments to my bowling.”

    Shahid Afridi believes Pakistan’s recent lack of international cricket will not hamper their chances at the World Twenty20 in England next month. Since January 2007, no team has played as little as Pakistan’s ten Tests and 50 ODIs. Even Bangladesh, the weakest Test-playing nation, have played 15 Tests and 55 ODIs and teams such as Australia and India have played nearly three times as much cricket in that time.

    The lack of Pakistani participation in the IPL has also not helped, but Afridi, fresh from a successful battle with the Australians, believes Pakistan are strong enough to overcome the dearth. “I don’t feel our lack of cricket will make much of a difference because we are still a strong Twenty20 side,” Afridi told Cricinfo. “We have a pretty similar team to last time with only a few changes and we have Younis [Khan] as captain now. He has done well and taken the team along with him so far and he will be vital come England.”

    Afridi himself will be a vital plank in Pakistan’s challenge, especially given his fine recent form. He was the leading wicket-taker against Australia, a consistent, nagging threat on slow, low surfaces and pole-axed their batting in Pakistan’s crushing Twenty20 win in Dubai. Few will forget either that he was player of the tournament in South Africa two years ago.

    England, where he has been effective with the ball in ODIs, offers a different proposition, however. “Wickets in England might be slower, a little less bounce so I’ll make slight adjustments to my bowling,” he said. “Maybe a bit more flight, but generally, as an ODI leggie, you have to be straight and tight and that works in most conditions.”

    Until the series against Australia, Afridi’s form had been uncertain, especially poor with the bat, over the last year. In 18 matches before the series, his highest score was 28. His bowling, though considerably improved, lacked wicket-taking penetration; in 11 ODIs against established teams last year, he picked up nine wickets.

    Pressure was building for his place in the side to be scrutinized. “I don’t take or give pressure, no matter what anyone is saying about me. I knew I was backed by the coach, the captain and the team and that is all I needed.”

    But the form dip did spur him on to a more concentrated fitness and training regime. “It’s come about through a lot of individual effort. I’ve worked really hard on my fitness levels. I used to be tired after bowling six to seven overs previously and then struggle. I’ve also concentrated in the nets on my lines and lengths because for a legspinner this is vital, especially in ODIs. Abdul Qadir [the chief selector] has helped with tips, though it is easy to listen and harder to actually execute.”

    Significantly, there were indicators of a revival in his batting fortunes. Though there was still no fifty, a couple of unusually responsible, properly constructed 40s stood out. The fight to curb his instincts, Afridi said, goes on. “I have really fought with myself in the ground, talked to myself a lot during my batting. I’ve had to control myself because I need to score runs for the team – that is the priority. I want to continue it in England, where I’ve had some success batting in county games. You need to counter the initial overs there but after that, conditions for lower-order guys like myself, are pretty good.”

    Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo

  240. #240 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2009 - 2:28 PM

    Afridi is right about the playing conditions in England will not be similar to Dubai and he needs adjustment in his bowling. I guess its not just the spinners have to make adjustment. More importantly the Pakistani batsmen needs to adjust their technique playing against the fast bowlers in England because of the swing.

    Salman Butt’s technique playing against swing bowling is very pathetic, he either tries to flash or poke his bat to an out swinging ball and edges it into slips. They are not going to drop him from the squad as he is Big Butt’s mini Me. So, we will have to see him playing a test innings and ruining the tempo of the game.

    Ahmad Shahzad
    is also a test player and we have seen him scoring 9 runs in 40 balls in the ODI and if he does that in the T20 matches, PAKASTAN DA KHUDA HAFAZ. I wonder why can’t they bring in Imran Nazir for T20?

    Younus Khan
    is not suitable for T20 games and it is very hard for him to accept and digest the truth. Just because he is the captain he will be there playing his dummy role. Its a pity. I want him to get injured (voluntarily) to give Afridi a chance to captain the side.

    Misbah is out of form, except for the last match he played, his technique was either to block or hit big or hit risky shots such as reverse sweeps, paddle shots and there is no reason for such shots and we have seen him getting out doing that in very important and crucial matches. He needs to reassert his technique and his style of batting. If he cannot hit big on every ball, he should not block but take singles or twos. Miandad must help him in explaining how to play with soft hands when the fielders are deep and run fast, convert a single into two’s and two’s into three’s.

    Malik will play his game for himself, irrespective of the situation but, as long as he scores he is OK.

    Akmal is in good nick both in his “catching the balls” job and batting. So, as long as he keeps his gloves tight and hold his balls and bat well, he is gonna make a big difference.

    Tanvir is totally out of sorts and out of form, he was a dangerous bowler for the opposition and now he is a dangerous bowler for his own team. He gives away too many runs and has no clue what to do?

    Akhtar is a spent force and he needs to go OUT. Period, no discussion about that.

    Khansahab have you seen Mohammad Aamir bowling in domestic cricket? I have no clue about that 17 year old, I would have preferred taking Sohail Khan or, in the English conditions Rana Nayee would have been better. He swings the ball and has a good experience playing in the UK. But, politics, politics and politics is the name of the game in Pakistan.

  241. #241 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 3:26 PM

    42 per cent Pakistanis feel India responsible for Mumbai attack: poll

    As many as 42 percent Pakistanis, nearly every other citizen of the country, hold India responsible for the November 26 terrorist attacks in Mumbai, according to a new opinion poll.

    “When asked if they believed it to be true that the attacks were carried out by Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), only seven percent replied yes, another seven percent replied maybe, and 78 percent said no. In response to an open-ended question as to who they thought was responsible for the attacks, the top three replies were India (42 percent), I don’t know (33 percent), and America (20 percent),” the International Republican Institute (IRI) said in a release.

    The Washington-based IRI, which describes itself as a nonprofit, nonpartisan organisation, conducted the poll March 7-30 and released the findings in Islamabad on Monday.

    The randomly selected sample consists of 3,500 adult men and women from 216 rural and 134 urban locations in 51 districts in all four provinces of Pakistan, it said.

    Asked what if it was proven that the LeT was behind the Mumbai mayhem, five percent said that those responsible should be turned over to India, while 82 percent said that they should be tried and punished in Pakistan. Seven percent preferred not to reply.

    Pakistanis are opposed, however, to LeT, Al Qaeda and other terrorist outfits using their country as a base to launch attacks against India, with 79 percent saying that it would be a serious problem and 17 percent saying that it would not be, according to the poll findings.

    As many as 43 percent respondents had a favourable opinion of LeT and 46 percent said they had an “unfavorable opinion” of it.

    “These numbers were in the same range of those regarding the image of India, with 45 percent having a favorable opinion of the country and 52 percent having an unfavorable perception,” the IRI said.

    The survey found that though only 10 percent of respondents cited terrorism as the most important issue – a majority said economy was the most important issue – there is rising concern over extremism in general.

    Asked if they felt religious extremism was a serious problem in Pakistan, 74 percent replied yes – the highest percentage since September 2007.

    As many as 69 percent agreed that the Taliban and Al Qaeda operating in Pakistan was a serious problem, while 45 percent said that they supported the Pakistani Army fighting the extremists in the North West Frontier Province and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, another all-time high, according to the IRI.

    Asked if they felt that the country was headed in the right or wrong direction, 81 percent responded wrong direction while 18 percent said right direction – a slight improvement from the October 2008 poll.

  242. #242 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 3:46 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Mohd Aamir is officially 17, a skinny kid from Gujjarkhan in Punjab. I have seen a couple of highlights of his bowling. He has a skiddy bowling style and he can bowl yorkers. He is also quick and I have read he can swing the ball both ways.

    The only problem I have is that his action looked suspicious to me. I hope he does not have any problems.

  243. #243 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2009 - 5:48 PM


    This is the problem with this new generation of fast bowlers that most of them have suspect bowling action and it is not restricted to fast bowlers but the spinners too. I dunno what is wrong with them? Either they are over doing it i.e., trying to bowl too fast and in case of spinners trying to bring a lot of variation like doosra, teesra and ending up with illegal deliveries.

    I had a good laugh when Bhishen Singh Bedi was asked to comment on Murali’s doosra, he said, “forget his doosra, Uska tou pehla hee seedha nahee hai.”

    Ps. Khansahab

    On Saeed Ajmal’s inclusion in the T20 world cup squad, I would like to know what is the status of that report of his suspect bowling action? I understand that he was allowed to play in the recently concluded series because of the ICC law that he cannot be removed until the ICC takes action. Now, its a different case, if the ICC bans him at the last moment, whether there will be any time for the appeal and will he be allowed to play or he will sit outside. Pakistan must have a back up arrangement in such a case.

  244. #244 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 5:53 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I think they are trying to bowl too fast. The problem with ICC trying to make it a batsman’s game is that bowlers will try harder to extract pace or spin or whatever and will end up ruining their actions.

    I don’t know what idiots they have who coach at domestic level. They should know enough to be able to spot who is bending their arm or jerking it. It seems every third bowler in Pakistan has a suspect bowling action.

  245. #245 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 5:56 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    Ajmal sent to Australia for review of action
    Tue, 12 May 2009

    Pakistani off-spinner Saeed Ajmal has been sent to Australia for a review of his bowling action under the supervision of biomechanic experts.

    The spinner, whose bowling action was reported after the second one-day international against Australia in Dubai on April 28, will undergo a scrutiny of his bowling by Dr Bruce Elliot.

    Elliot has worked in the past with other Pakistani bowlers with bowling action problems including Shoaib Akhtar, Shabbir Ahmed and Shoaib Malik.

    The Pakistan Cricket Board has made it clear that although Ajmal has been picked in the squad for the ICC Twenty20 World Cup, he would be replaced by a reserve player if his bowling action is not cleared by Elliot.

    “Basically, his chances for the World Cup depends on what report the biomechanic experts give to us after the tests in Perth,” one board official said.

    Ajmal was reported for his action while bowling the ‘Doosra’ delivery, which had the Australians in a spin in the first two matches.

    If the biomechanic tests prove inconclusive, Ajmal cannot play until his bowling action is cleared by the ICC Bowling Action Review Committee.

  246. #246 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 6:07 PM

    I don’t know whether the Dawn staff read Legslip or not but someone has written an article a while ago on Dawn which is based on the article I pasted written by Selig Harrison, in the morning.

  247. #247 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2009 - 6:07 PM


    Thanks for the news clipping, see that was the point of concern and I don’t think it will make a big difference in the bowling department if he doesn’t play for Pakistan in T20. Because, he is not a big wicket taker and neither he can contain runs when the going is good from the opposition. My concern was about his replacement and its been taken care of, so that’s fine.

    And, I don’t think that he is a big threat for the Australians or any other team in T20 besides, its not the Australians who have reported his action but the umpires, so I have a feeling that he will be cleared.

  248. #248 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 6:19 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I agree with you and I think at worst they will forbid him from bowling the doosra. His action looked OK to me.

    I also agree that he is not a big threat for anyone in T20. Shoaib Malik is a fairly decent bolwer in T20. All you need to do is to make sure the ball spins and the wickets will come themselves.

    However the team management will not see matters in this way. Unless Younis sits out himself I don’t think Fawad Alam will get a chance, because both Malik and Misbah are specialist T20 players.

    They’ve chosen 3 openers so it’s unlikely they will rest 1 and play Fawad Alam instead.

    If I was an unbiased coach or captain I would get as many all rounders in T20 as possible and by all rounders, I mean players who can field well, too. Fawad is one of the best fielders in the country and he should get a chance on the basis of being a good batsman, reliable fielder who can also bowl if need be. Fielding in T20 is so important that if Ajmal bowls 4 overs and concedes 20 runs but Fawad bowls 4 and concedes 30, I would still go for Fawad because he can stop 15-20 runs in the field.

  249. #249 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 12, 2009 - 6:27 PM

    “If I was an unbiased coach or captain I would get as many all rounders in T20 as possible and by all rounders, I mean players who can field well, too.” Khansahab

    Hello ! Do you remember for the last 18 months or so I have been saying that in T20 you need maximum number of all-rounders and I even gave the example of Volley Ball game and how it changed? They used to have a conventional team of six with four shooters (smashers) and two defenders (boosters) and now they have all six all-rounders. There is no specialist defender or booster in the team. I wrote this on PakSpin too and I remember Munir saying something in response to my comment.

    I believe, and I am sure it will happen in future that in T20, ALL the 11 players will be all-rounders. Because, in a short version the specialist bowler or batsmen could become a liability if they fail in one department. Therefore it is essential to have all-rounders, if they fail with their batting they compensate in bowling and vice versa.


    Even the game of GOLF has changed, previously it was meant for old retirees and now it is more popular among young and energetic people. More and more young Pros like Tiger Wood are taking up this game.

  250. #250 by khansahab on May 12, 2009 - 8:16 PM

    NWFP is burning. It is the duty of every Muhajir, Sindhi, Punjabi, Baluchi and all others to accomodate the innocent Pashtuns whose homes have been destroyed or who have fled for fear of being killed. This is a testing time for the unity of different ethnicities.

    ‘Swat could turn into Darfur’

    Pakistan’s North-West Frontier Province is in grave danger of becoming a big village of tents as the country grapples with the largest displacement of people since the creation of Bangladesh (1971) and Partition (1947).

    Some estimates suggest the number of displaced could go as high as 1.5 million. A UN official told the Los Angles Times newspaper the situation was “approaching” that of Darfur and the Congo.

    Millions of people fled their homes in the Congo (1960-66) and Sudan’s Darfur (2003) during ethnic conflicts.

    “First came the Taliban, then came the army. After that, trouble started,” Sardar Ali, 42, a fruit merchant from Mingora, the capital of Swat, said. “If the Taliban go, peace will return.”

    Many agree with Ali’s nuts-and-bolts formula at the dusty and chaotic camp set up by the provincial government for Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) on the outskirts of Mardan, the first major town on the road out of the Swat Valley, 129 km northwest of Islamabad.

    Tens of thousands have made it out of the valley, but many more are still caught in the fighting between the Taliban and Pakistani security forces.

    Ali told HT a bomb hit his neighbourhood, killing about 35 persons. That is when he and his wife decided to leave with their five children. “Now all we have is our lives,” he said, relieved to be alive.

    Men at the Shah Shezad Town camp recount instances of cars and buses being bombed and of corpses of men and women rotting on the roads.

    The chaos at the camps reflects the lack of planning by the government. One refugee, who did not give his name, said it took him two days to secure a card that entitled him to a tent, a blanket and food. “It’s a free for all,” he said.

    Politicians, government officials and aid agency workers come regularly come to monitor work and boost morale.

    On Sunday, PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif arrived at one of the camps to offer his support. Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani is yet to visit and President Asif Ali Zardari is on tour abroad.

    Cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan and right-wing parties blame the army for the state of affairs. The government and its allies blame the Taliban.

    It is not blame the refugees are looking to pin. “No one is ready to answer our question. We want to know when we can go back,” said Parween Khan, who lost several family members in the fighting.

    Depression is not far away. Qaisar Khan, who works for UK-based charity Ummah Welfare Trust, said the two most sought-after medicines are anti-scabies drugs and anti-depressants.

    Religious organisations were the first to arrive with help.

    Shah Husain, a pleasant 20- year-old, works for the Al-Khidmat Foundation, associated with the right-wing Jamaat-e-Islami Party. His duty was to help the displaced. But lack of funds and shortage of essential items makes the work difficult.

    “What we fear are the multiplying numbers,” he remarked. That is when things will go from bad to worse.

  251. #251 by M. Y.. Kasim on May 13, 2009 - 12:47 AM

    It is a fact that Hanif Mohammad was the best batsman Pakistan has produced so far but since he is a Mohajir from Karachi as all the Mohammad Brothers as well as Javed Miandad, they are never acknowledged as such.

    In my humble opinion here is the list:

    1. Hanif Mohammad.

    2. Javed Miandad.

    3. Asif Iqbal.

    4. Inzimam-ul-Haq.

    5. Majid Khan.

    6. Zaheer Abbas.

    7. Mushtaq Mohammad.

    8. Moahamed Yousuf.

    9. Younus Khan.

    10. Salim Malik.

    This is my list. I invite your suggestions and opinions!!

  252. #252 by khansahab on May 13, 2009 - 8:02 AM

    Kasim sahab

    I would put Younis Khan in the top 5 because some of his amazing Test knocks (I think he deserves to be in the top 5 after that 313 vs Sri Lanka). I would also put Saeed Anwar in the top 5, and Inzamam definitely. I would go with:

    1) Saeed Anwar

    2) Miandad

    3) Younis Khan

    4) Inzamam

    5) Hanif Mohammad

    6) Mohd Yousuf

    7) Zaheer Abbas

    8) Salim Malik (was vey talented but could not live up to potential).

    If the list was about domestic cricket the names of Misbah, Fawad Alam and Hasan Raza would also be present. Hasan Raza bats like a combination of Tendulkar and Inzamam. I know he got some chances but so did Misbah at the start, but Misbah was given one more opportunity and they should have given Hasan one more opportunity as well towards the end of his domestic career.

  253. #253 by khansahab on May 13, 2009 - 8:20 AM


    The government has struck deals with the militants many times about laying down their arms. It is not something that the PPP government has just done, even the Musharraf government was first trying to negotiate with the militants. However being an intelligent and educated man, Musharraf understood the pscyhe of the militant more than any other politician.

    These militants who claim to stand for Islam and Sharia are two-faced liars and back stabbers. Their objective is to spread Sharia by the sword or by the gun, and whenever a peace deal is struck with them, they start harassing innocent Pushtoons living in the region. It is like a vicious circle, they start campaigning and creating chaos, the troops kill a few hundreds of them, they strike a peace deal, there is peace for a few weeks but then the fighting resumes.

    Either the PPP government has to follow the American way which is to kill every single one of them, or follow the Imran Khan way which is to ally with them, so that no one is killed. They are treading on the middle path which is just to make both sides happy, but they are not making anyone happy in the process.

    Why is the Army so powerful in Pakistan? That is not only because of the American backing it has received over the decades. It is because the Army has more discipline, more fairness and less corruption than civilian governments and the civil society. The Army provides a chance, even if a vague and distant one, for a Muhajir to reach senior ranks and become the chief.

    The Army and ISI are two reasons why the Pakistani armed forces have been reasonably competent and have managed to look India in the eye. Weakening the army and weakening the intelligence services will plunge Pakistan further into darkness. Pakistan cannot depend on civilian leaders to make things better. As long as parties like PML N are present, as long as the feudal mindset is sitting in Parliament, as long as civilian political leaders are the richest people in the country, there will never be progress and there will never be unity.

  254. #254 by Mohammed Munir on May 13, 2009 - 10:21 AM

    I accept the fact that my overall knowledge and understanding of the cricket may not be as good as that of some others on this blog. Nevertheless, like all others, I think I am also entitled to give my own rating for the above Pakistani batting greats. BTW, since I am neither an Urdu Speaker nor a Punjabi, similarly neither from Karachi nor from Punjab and further there is only one Pathan in this list, I consider myself to be in a good position of being, an almost, third party to the list of our greats.

    Here is what I think:

    1- Javed Miandad

    2- Inzamam-ul-Haq

    3- Hanif Mohammed

    4- Mohammed Yousuf

    5- Saeed Anwar

    6- Younis Khan

    7- Zaheer Abbas

    8- Salim Malik

    9- Shoaib Mohammed (son of Hanif Mohammed)

    10- Imran Khan (only for his batting)

    Khansahab …

    Hasan Raza was a nothing player and I am really surprised at how someone of your knowledge and grasp of Pakistan Cricket can be so impressed with him. He was given enough chances, as he played his last Test as late as 2005, starting somewhere in 1996. Between 1996 and 2005, he played 7 Tests and 16 ODIs, first Test being at the age of 14 years and last at age around 23, but he could not impress anyone. So how many more chances one needs. I think you are not right in saying that because Misbah got so many chances, Hasan should also have been given ‘one more opportunity’. I guess that ‘one more opportunity’ meant chances one-after-the-other till he finally performs one day.

  255. #255 by Awas on May 13, 2009 - 11:11 AM


    You made a valid point. I have compared Hasan Raza with Graham Hick in the past, another very prolific batsman at county level. It’s a shame so much talent Hasan Raza seemed to have but…

    On best of the lot, considering number of runs, averages and above all talent (also keeping in mind match winning ability) I will go like this:

    1. Javed Miandad
    2. Inzamam-ul-Haq
    3. Hanif Mohammed
    4. Saeed Anwar (best ever opener)
    5. Mohammad Yousuf
    6. Younis Khan

    So, Munir my choice is very similar to yours 🙂

  256. #256 by Mohammed Munir on May 13, 2009 - 12:11 PM

    Awas …

    Mugambo Khush Huwa 😀

    PC: Read Mugambo = Munir 😉

    (There are always some very good domestic players who can never perform on International stage, no matter how many chances you give them, and Hasan Raza was one of those. Similarly, Imran Khan gave countless chances to Mansoor Akhtar, Sajid Ali and Rizwan-ul-Zaman, who were all good domestic players, but none made it big at International levels).

  257. #257 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2009 - 12:56 PM

    My list is also the same as Munir and Awas, I rate Miandad as the top Pakistani batsman. A great tactician, fighter and a sincere team player, who played for the country and not for himself or his personal records and milestones. Inzamam comes second.

    As regards Hasan Raza, I think khansahab is rating him a bit high because of his one excellent innings during the ICL where is scored some 90 odd runs in a few balls. But, Imran Nazir also played an excellent innings in the ICL and that idiot could have broken Shahid Afridi’s 37/100 (I know ICL is not official) but, he slowed down after 26 balls when the century was within his grasp within 5-6 balls but, he took longer.

    It is for this reason I insist that Imran Nazir and Shahid Afridi must open for Pakistan in every T20 game.


    Munir when one uses a famous dialogue such as that, it always means its HIM and not the guy who actually said that. For e.g., when someone shows his hey day photos, he says, “Yae uss zamanay ki baat hai jab Aatish jawaan thaa.”

    Someone I know was showing his photograph when he was about 20 years old and I said, that dialogue and that poor guy replied, “Nai yae Aatish nai hai yae mai hoon.” You did the same Mughambo = Munir. Array wah ray Gabbar Singh. Lagta hai tum peechay say Sardar ho. 😀

  258. #258 by Awas on May 13, 2009 - 1:14 PM


    BTW, since I am neither an Urdu Speaker nor a Punjabi, similarly neither from Karachi nor from Punjab and further there is only one Pathan in this list, I consider myself to be in a good position of being, an almost, third party to the list of our greats”.

    I can see for some, tendency to lean towards their own ethnicity, understandably, comes natural but never happens to me this way automatically; at least never consciously. And I never find this tendency common in many people of different ethnic backgrounds that I mix with. Such natural leniency is never an issue for me as I do accept diverse views and opinions of people from different backgrounds and their lifetime experiences. I can only share mine.

    MY Kasim

    I agree that batmen like Hanif and Miandad are amongst the best batsmen but I cannot agree “that they are never acknowledged as such”. In my own experience most Punjabis that I know (and I do know a lot of them) do believe that those two are on top rank. Hanif still commands a lot of respect everywhere he goes. Once I met him at the grounds of Lords surrounded by scores of Asians, he conducted himself very admirably. As far as Miandad is concerned, outside of his batsman shoes, his life is surrounded in various controversies. So that is an altogether different matter. So, as best batsmen, they ARE acknowledge as such by all.

  259. #259 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2009 - 1:42 PM

    “As far as Miandad is concerned, outside of his batsman shoes, his life is surrounded in various controversies.”. Awas

    Other than the fact that Miandad’s son got married to Dawood Ibrahim’s daughter what other controversies are there Awas? And, that too what is his fault to be the father of the son who happens to love his wife, who happens to be the daughter of Dawood Ibrahim? And, Dawood Ibrahim is wanted in India, there are so many others who are wanted in other countries and take shelter in some other countries, like Altaf Hussain.

    Whenever Miandad‘s name is discussed, people try to pick him and refer to that Dawood connection. I think Miandad’s biggest problem is he is not a handsome hunk, he cannot express himself very well, he is not so educated and he cannot impress the media, the general public and to most Punjabis he is a Mohajir or a Bhaiyya.

    Imran Khan has more controversies than Miandad, look at his failed marriage with Jemima and her background and her present “gull-churray urana” with Hugh Grant. His illegitimate daughter Tyrian from Sita or whatever her name is, don’t we all know? He was involved in a libel case with Ian Bothom and Allan Lamb. He admitted in front of the media that he used to use bottle caps to scratch the ball to reverse swing. His bloopers in his political career, he keeps saying silly things every now and then and negates his own comments. But, just because Imran has good looks, he is more educated and he can express better, people tend to ignore the negatives and are mesmerized by the looks.

    Wasim Akram has more controversies than the above two, he should make a movie called the “Cricket Gambler” and take the lead role in it and another one called, “Unpatriotic Pakistani” other than his bowling he has many, many controversies.

    What I fail to understand is only poor Miandad is always at the helm of criticism and his sincerity, honesty, patriotism and his love and passion for cricket is ignored by many. I heard some people saying “BC Choora Lagda hai” what a shame for such thoughts and comments for a great guy.

  260. #260 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2009 - 1:54 PM

    I would like Kassim Saheb to comment on this:

    My observation about Hanif Mohammad is, he was the best batsman of his time for Pakistan, I consider his 337 in the second innings is a rare feat that no one has ever achieved it, yet. He was not a big guy that is why he was known as “Little Master” and his technique was flawless for that era of test cricket (from Viv Richards to Sehwag and Gilchrist test cricket has changed) yet, Hanif did not get the same recognition as Fazal Mahmood, the then captain of the team.

    Fazal Mahmood was known as a flamboyant hero, fair, blue eyes, tall, handsome and his Oval achievements against England and his leg-cutters are talked more than Hanif’s 337 against the mighty West Indies of that time. Hanif always remained in the shadow of Fazal Mahmood. Just like Miandad remained under the shadow of Imran Khan.

    Kassim Sahab, am I right or wrong?

    My comments are based on the stories that I’ve heard from my friend’s dad (without my friend’s permission I won’t mention his name on the blog) who was a test cricketer and he played in Kardar’s team and took a few wickets in that first victory against England and India. He told us how Hanif was treated by Fazal Mahmood, Saeed Ahmad and the wicketkeeper Squadron Leader Imtiaz Ahmad.

  261. #261 by Awas on May 13, 2009 - 2:55 PM


    I was thinking more in terms of Miandad being a volatile personality both on and off the filed. I never mentioned Dawood Ibrahim issue and was never in my mind either. As a matter of fact I had mentioned when this issue originally arose that if two people meet at college and fall in love then what’s that got to do with parents.

    What I also said above in my comments was “So that is an altogether different matter. So, as best batsmen, they ARE acknowledged as such by all”. As a batsman Miandad is my top man. Similarly as a bowler Wasim Akram has one hell of a record and as an all rounder cricketer there is no match for Imran.

    So, as I said it was more about his volatile personality such as not been able to gel with most colleagues, getting in and out as coach, getting into controversies when becoming official such as often resigning which may or may not be his fault (in principle, he may well be right) but controversy nevertheless and promoting his nephew but here again he may well be right. The important point that I mentioned was that it is an altogether different matter than his batsmanship. I find his stance is often admirable. I do agree Imarn and Wasim were involved in their own controversies but again an altogether different matter to what they were as players.

    The important thing was I wasn’t putting Javed the great in bad light. Perhaps you misunderstood. As Omer will say, my whole post was in his praise as a top batsman but you lifted one sentence and took it out of context 😦

  262. #262 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2009 - 3:47 PM

    Awas, I am not blaming you and I have not picked up just once sentence from your comment to make it look like it is out of context. I know what you have said about Miandad and Hanif and knowing you I have no doubts that what you mean and what you say are NOT two different things. My point was about how people in general perceive Miandad and that is because of his looks and his lack of education and the way he expresses them.

    On the point of volatility
    , I think Majid Khan was more arrogant and more volatile than Miandad and he pushed his son Bazid Khan more than Miandad pushed his nephew. Faisal Iqbal at least on paper has got a century against India whereas Bazid Khan has nothing to prove his worth. That is another issue let us not discuss that. There is another example of volatile player and King Khan or Imran Khan never tolerated anyone saying anything against his decisions. Shoaib Akhtar is more volatile than any other Pakistani player.

    In India, that Bander and the Turbonator both are very volatile. South Africa’s Gunther (Andrew Nel) and Symonds, Shane Watson they often get into controversies. Bowlers, especially fast bowlers reportedly have this tendency to be more aggressive and volatile. Even the kal ka chokra Lamboo I. Sharma gets into brawls every now and then. So, who is free from being aggressive and volatile on the field? Denis Lillee was known as Denis the Menace for his bad temper.

    As regards Miandad’s resignations,
    more than his own decision to resign it is the circumstances that are always created by others when he is around and then there is politics to ouster him and he is not a pauper to beg in front of them to keep him for money sake, he is rich (he married to the Saigol’s daughters, who are billionaires) and that marriage is very hard for some people in Punjab to digest, because she is rich, beautiful and looka lyka gori, whereas, he is dark, very ordinary looking guy, not so educated, no finesse and on top of that he is a Bhaiyya.

    After 3-2 defeat against India in 2004 ODI’s and 2-1 defeat in test, Miandad was blamed and sacked and they wanted to bring Bob Woolmer so they created all sorts of situations and that defeat was the main excuse to sack him.

    If you look back at the series. The first ODI in Karachi was the decider of the series, India narrowly won that match by 5 runs and their hearts were in their throats when Pakistan chased that total of 349 and made 344. It was, Younus Khan, Abdul Razzaq, Shoaib Malik, Rana Naveed and Moin Khan who froze and could not make the a few runs after Inzi was out with a great knock of 122. The biggest mistake in that match was not including Shahid Afridi in Karachi when he was in great form they played Yasir Hameed who was out for 7 and in the next match Afridi was included he won the match single handedly for Pakistan and was man of the match.

    In the test series same year, Sehwag’s 309 in Multan was the decider of the test series, poor fielding by Taufiq Umar, Yasir Hameed, in all he got 5 lives and the morale of the team was down. Inzamam’s catch by Chopra was not held cleanly and Youhana did not touch the ball whereas, he was given out on keeper Patil’s appeal. They could have easily saved the follow-on.

    I am giving these match trivia details because Miandad had nothing to do with the results, the team played well in general except for a few but, Miandad was made the escape goat just to bring Woolmer in. That was a very orchestrated scheme and they succeeded in getting him out. Today, he is in because of Zardari, the day Zardari will go they will throw Miandad out of the PCB. Like Boycott recently said to Ramiz Raja, its a shame that you guys don’t use the great Miandad to assist and coach these new players…………….. and Ramiz said nothing in reply only had a smirk on his face.

  263. #263 by Awas on May 13, 2009 - 4:12 PM


    And well said!

  264. #264 by khansahab on May 13, 2009 - 6:24 PM

    I should stir up a Muhajir-Punjabi controversy more often as it gets comments from people 🙂

    I’m only joking.

    I think everyone is right in the overview.

    Munir sahab

    Seeing is believing and as Javed A Khan rightly presumed, I became a fan of Hasan Raza when I saw ICL. It was not one innings where he made 90 odd, it was the entire tournament. Even when he was getting out on 20 odd, the way he took his stance, his shot selection, placement etc was very good. He was also very gritty and determined like Miandad. People often say about Karachi batsmen that whether they have class or not, they are gritty players and fighters. Whether you saw that in Basit Ali, Asim Kamal, Miandad or Fawad Alam.

    Before watching ICL I did not know anything about Raza except that he was an ordinary player. The way he was reverse sweeping, the way he was playing lofted shots on the cover side and the way he was placing the ball, it was incredible. No wonder Rashid Latif rated him very highly. I think personal favourites are not measured on statistics or batting averages- otherwise everyone’s best batsman would be Bradman and best bowler, Warne or Murali.

    Misbah played 5 Tests before 2007, and his average was about 15. He also played 12 ODI’s before his recall in 2007, and he averaged about early 20’s. Raza played 16 ODI’s between 1996-1999 and averages 17. He played 2 Tests between 1996-1999, averaging 15. Then he played 3 Tests in 2002, averaging 46 in them and 2 Tests in 2005-2006, averaging only 7.

    He should have been persisted with after having decent form in 2002, which is better than any form Misbah was in before his recall in 2007. I have seen Raza play in ICL and I have seen Misbah play domestic T20 and also international T20, and I have no doubt Raza is a better batsman in every possible way. Now whether he could not live up to his potential is his own fault or politics, he is a legend in the domestic circuit and although his stats are good, even if they were not as good I would still rate him as a good batsman.

    Also, Raza was very young when he made his debut and Misbah had the advantage of age and experience when he made his debut. I know sometimes young players do great things at an early age, but if you have trusted someone enough to select him when he is 15, you should also trust him enough to give him reasonable chances when he is older.

  265. #265 by Aamir Iqbal on May 13, 2009 - 9:03 PM

    I know sometimes young players do great things at an early age, but if you have trusted someone enough to select him when he is 15, you should also trust him enough to give him reasonable chances when he is older.

    I agree but it was 14 actually when he made his debut.

  266. #266 by khansahab on May 13, 2009 - 9:14 PM

    Aamir Iqbal

    Thanks for the heads-up and the am-agree. Munir sahab already indicated that Hasan Raza was 14 when he made his debut. When I made that statement which you have quoted it was made generally, not specifically in relation to Hasan Raza. I am sorry to disappoint and for that reason I am apologise.


    I accept your arguments on Hasan Raza and I am agree 100% about Duminy.

  267. #267 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2009 - 11:17 PM

    About Misbah I have to say something.

    For a moment black out Misbah’s performance at the T20 WC and his lone test century in India.

    Now, watch him playing in the remaining matches. Would you give him a chance to play again? aNO, I won’t.

    That is how we all form opinions and Hasan Raza, Faisal Iqbal, Bazid Khan never made any impact at the international level and there is no consistency. Misbah too doesn’t have any consistency and that is the main reason for his arriving at the international level as an automatic choice – which in my opinion is unfair on part of other players – they made him VC and consider him as good as the other middle order batsmen such as, Younus, Yousuf and Inzamam.

  268. #268 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2009 - 2:23 AM

    Abay O’ Shankar, Dhaolia jaisy baatain na ker varna Gabbar tujhay Jinda nahee choray ga!

    The last paragraph of this report by Ajay Shankar is ridiculous, he or the ICC guy whoever, says that staging the world cup matches at neutral venues such as Dubai and Abu Dhabi is an absurd idea. Who the hell is he to say that? Staging the IPL in South Africa is a HOLY decision?

    What people tend to forget is, all these governing bodies such as ICC, BCCI, PCB, WADA, CAS, IPL, ICL etc., are made by people and run by people and the laws are made by these people and, they change it, bend it whenever they feel like doing it. But, they call it absurd and ridiculous when it doesn’t suit them. Why shouldn’t Pakistan ask for a neutral venue? If there is a security problem in Pakistan (in 2011) there could be a bigger problem in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and India too. But, there will NEVER be a security problem in the UAE. Because of the strict law and order implementation in that country.

    They were very happy by stripping off Pakistan from not only conducting these matches but, also from getting any revenue from it. Now, they are scared that if it is held in the UAE then they will have to share it with the UAE as well as Pakistan. And that is bothering them like an insect crawling in their ASS.

    Btw, what is the reason of shifting the ICC headquarters from London to Dubai? Because it is a tax haven? Who made these laws and who changed them? These people think they are GODS and they can do anything they like. I think someone should stand up and say FCUK YOU ICC and BCCI you can go to hell. And then, drag them to the courts, that’s the only solution.

  269. #269 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2009 - 2:50 PM

    PCB take on ICC

    India forced Asia split on 2011 World Cup – Mani

    Osman Samiuddin

    May 14, 2009

    Ehsan Mani, former ICC president, believes Pakistan was manoeuvred out of its hosting rights for the 2011 World Cup by a split within the Asian bloc, led by India, and an inert ICC approach to examine viable solutions. Pakistan, said Mani, was thus left with no choice but to begin legal proceedings against the decision.

    Mani, who served as president from 2003-06, is acting as an advisor to the PCB in the dispute and is widely thought to be man who prompted the move to initiate legal action. He has told the PCB, however, to keep “back-channel communications” with the ICC open throughout the dispute.

    “I’m afraid so and I’m very sorry to say it,” Mani told Cricinfo, when asked whether India had manipulated the situation to its advantage in order to squeeze Pakistan out of the tournament. “This was a time when India should have come forward, shown leadership and said ‘It’s all four of us as hosts, or none of us.’

    “Asia got worried they would lose the 2011 World Cup altogether and decided to dump Pakistan. It is the first time in my 20 years association that I have seen Asia split this way. It speaks volumes of the PCB’s PR perhaps,” Mani said. (hint, hint @ Ijaz Butt’s inability to tackle the ICC and BCCI)

    Mani also took aim at the ICC, saying it had not shown enough initiative in searching for a solution to Pakistan’s plight. “The ICC should have looked at the security situation as a whole, they should have at least met with Pakistan beforehand. When I was president, there was a lot of pressure to suspend Zimbabwe. I refused, until I had met them personally. I did and eventually they asked to be suspended themselves.

    “There was no pre-meeting dialogue with the PCB here and ICC should have taken the lead in that. Pakistan is a problem, so let’s talk to them. I said to the ICC you should have thought of alternative solutions. They said the PCB had not put any such proposal forward but the ICC should have been examining these things.

    “Many things were wrong. The ICC should have done an assessment of all four countries and gotten governments involved. Also, if Pakistan gets the Champions Trophy hosting fee even if that event was taken away, why does the same logic not apply for the World Cup?”

    Acknowledging that the relationship between the ICC and the PCB are “not good,” Mani said Pakistan was left with no other option. “They were between a rock and a hard place. They were marginalised, losing the hosting money – what was their choice? Roll over quietly, or make some noise? Pakistan feel they were misled at the meeting and had no idea this was going to happen. One should have been upfront about it.”

    Mani has advocated swapping the World Cups of 2011 and 2015, so that the next tournament is switched to Australia and New Zealand and the 2015 edition comes to the subcontinent. He asked the ICC about the swapping option and was told that “Australia and New Zealand were happy to host the 2011 World Cup but also wanted to keep the 2015 tournament.” Have your cake and eat it as well.

    But Mani urged the PCB to keep the doors of communication open with the ICC. “Ties between the two are not great. What I’ve advised them is to keep the legal process on but along with a high-level diplomatic process. Keep that channel open. I told the PCB that professional advice was needed but keep talking to them. I tried to speak to the ICC but couldn’t get through to them. They kept saying ‘you don’t know all the facts’ which I found disappointing.”

  270. #270 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2009 - 3:09 PM

    India has always been mean, manipulative and a confirmed opportunist. Ehsan Mani has highlighted the points about how they manipulated and corroborated the situation with the ICC in regards to ouster Pakistan from the 2011 WC.

    I remember (during the Oval test match which was forfeited by Darrel Hair and later we all know what happened) India’s Niranjan Shah who was CEO of BCCI at that time immediately gave a statement to the media that “NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE WITH THE ICC IN THIS CASE.” Actually there was no reason or justification to issue that statement to the media. But, he wanted to shun the rumours that India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are forming an Asian Bloc.

    A couple of months ago when the Sri Lankan team visited Pakistan to play a series, it was India who acted like a dog in the manger and wanted to play against Sri Lanka at home and owing to the facts that the BCCI has bought the Sri Lanka Cricket Board for $40 million and they will be under their thumb for the next 10 years, they forced Sri Lanka to come and play in India, whereas a couple of months ago they had played a full series in Sri Lanka and lost it.

    And, they not only wanted to disturb their tour to Pakistan but, also wanted to beat them at home to take revenge, hence they pressurized Sri Lanka to visit India and play and, that is why the Sri Lankan tour to Pakistan was split into two halves. And, in the later part we also know what happened in Lahore and who is behind that?

    India can act innocent, meek and show to the world that they are very straightforward and upright but, their sinister aims and games are pretty obvious to those who can open their eyes and see what’s going on around? Their own backyard is not safe, they went to South Africa to play the IPL. If India was a safe place why the hell they have to play the IPL there?

    They never miss a single opportunity to tarnish and damage Pakistan’s image be it in cricket or politics and then, they play innocent…. it is called; Bharat Maa Ka Bho…………… la pun.

  271. #271 by Theossa on May 14, 2009 - 5:45 PM

    I think India will win the T20 tournament. They have Sehwag, Y Singh, Dhoni, and the two Pathan brothers to make them the top offense in the World. Pakistan on the other hand has two best T20 bowlers Umar Gul and Shahid Afridi but to be the top Defense they really need an in-form Sohail Tanvir. offensively they are very shaky with unreliable batsmen like Misbah, Akmal, Younis, Afridi, and Malik.

    I think Younis will do well in T20s; he needs to lift his game though. His batting average in T20s is still higher than Shahid Afridi who surprisingly could not yet leave his mark with bat in T20s. I like Younis as the captain in all formats of the game because he can glue the team together better than Afridi. Have you guys noticed the difference between early and recent batting knocks of Afridi? He used to play spin really well. In the past he played the best of spinners like Murali and Warne with ease. These days he seems clue less against some ordinary spin bowlers which is very strange because that used to be his strength. If he gets going against spinners again, he could do some real damage in T20s.

    I would list top 5 bowlers and top 5 batsmen based on whom I saw playing.

    Top 5 Batsmen

    Saeed Anwer
    Salim Malik

    Top 5 Bowlers

    Waqar Younis
    Wasim Akram
    Saqlain Mushtaq
    Shoaib Akhter
    Umar Gul

  272. #272 by khansahab on May 14, 2009 - 7:33 PM


    Good analysis there. To be honest I haven’t followed this whole talk about the World Cup being shifted out of Pakistan and what legal arguments surround this issue.

    I think in order to analyse the situation legally I would need to obtain more facts than what the media has provided. Also, what the legal position is differs according to many factors, such as which law governs any contracts, which law governs the arbitration, where the arbitration will take place etc. Many dozens of documents will need to be looked at and compared.

    Regarding why the PCB did not vote, I agree the situation can be looked at from both angles. I don’t think this proves anything legally, i.e why they did not vote, it is more like a procedural issue rather than a legal issue, although obviously it affects the legal position of parties.

    So the lawyer’s job is not an easy one!

    I am not able to comment any further on this but your comment has analytical merit for certain.

  273. #273 by M. Y.. Kasim on May 14, 2009 - 9:39 PM

    I am really surprised that nobody mentioned Asif Iqbal in their list!! In my humble opinion, he ranks very highly, in fact as high as no. 3 after Hanif and Miandad. At a time when Pakistan’s middle order was so frgile, it was Asif Iqbal who always with his gritty determination saw Pakistan through.

    And I apologise I forgot Saeed Anwar in my list as also mention of Sadiq Mohammad and Shoaib Mohammad, Saeed Ahmed and my first boyhood hero Imtiaz Ahmed and late Waseem Hasan Raja as some of the finest batsmen Pakistan have produced.

    Javed A. Khan,

    Regarding the treatment of Hanif by (Late) Fazal, Imtiaz or Saeed, I am not privy to it, so I can’t comment on it.

  274. #274 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2009 - 9:59 PM

    Theossa, when it comes to Younus Khan, our opinions are poles apart. IMO, he is a very good test player and somehow he has developed a mental block within his own mind that he cannot perform well in the shorter version of the game and he is failing to deliver the goods. I would vouch for his inclusion in a 50 over game (because there aren’t any reliable batsmen in the current team) but for T20, I won’t include him.

    As regards gluing the team or gelling them together as one unit, when Shoaib Malik was made captain of the team initially we saw unity in the team, but when Malik started playing politics we saw the team was breaking apart and there were groups. Even in the recently concluded series in the UAE, there are rumours that there were two groups. One of Misbah, Butt, Akmal, Malik and Rao. The second was Younus Khan, Gul, Akhtar, Afridi and Fawad Alam. And, mind you this is the second series that Younus Khan has captained and you can see groups, divisions and fractions in the team.

    World Cup is a very important event and Pakistan has as good a chance as India has to win the cup, but there is no guarantee that either team would win. So, we should not jump to speculate, even South Africa or New Zealand could win this T20 cup in the UK. These are the top 4 teams in my opinion.

    Kasim Saheb

    Its OK if you can’t comment on that, but Asif Iqbal’s career was very short and all I remember was his 149 at Oval with Intekhab Alam and that too I heard from my seniors and never got to see or read anything about that. He also played a useful knock in Australia and in Karachi against India with Miandad. But, to rate him as number 3 batsman of Pakistan, may be you can but, I can’t.

    In my list of the best batsmen of Pakistan, I mentioned only two names i.e., Miandad and Inzi, and my list for the other batsmen was the same as Awas and Munir’s.

  275. #275 by Awas on May 15, 2009 - 9:03 AM


    I like Younis as the captain in all formats of the game because he can glue the team together better than Afridi”.

    I agree with this. Two groupings may not necessarily be factions. In a squad of 15, everyone can’t be expected to be on the same wavelength. A group of 2-3 may have more in common than all 15…its natural. If Afridi is made a captain it doesn’t mean there won’t be such groupings. The important thing is to get the best out of a player.

    I do think Younus will come good in T20. A good player can always adapt. I have seen a very correct player such as Rahul Dravid play some good knocks in IPL with very high strike-rate.

  276. #276 by khansahab on May 15, 2009 - 10:34 AM

    Pakistan needs batting coach, not psychologist: Zaheer Abbas

    KARACHI: Former captain Zaheer Abbas has opposed the Pakistan Cricket Board’s idea of hiring a sports psychologist to help cricketers cope up
    with the pressure and perform well in the Twenty20 World Cup starting on June 5 in England.

    Abbas feels Pakistan team desperately needs a specialist batting coach to improve consistency rather than ‘lectures’ from a sports psychologist.

    “I don’t understand what purpose will it serve to have a sports psychologist give lectures to the players. Because it is obvious that the team’s main problem is the batting not clicking consistently as it should,” Abbas said.

    “The board should think about having a full-time batting coach with the team. And it is clear their fielding also needs to improve,” he added.

    Despite some good works from the bowling line-up, it were the batsmen who had let the team down and that should be corrected before the T20 World Cup, Abbas feels.

    “They should be concentrating a lot on removing the chinks in their batting techniques.”

    Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam had said that psychologist Maqbool Babri will have one to one sessions with individual players and also hold group sessions in a bid to improve their mental strength and keep them focused in trying conditions.

    Meanwhile, another former cricketer Mohsin Khan also rejected the idea of hiring a psychologist to work with the players.

    “These players are not small children but professionals and they should know what they are supposed to do on the field. I belong to the old school of thought and I don’t know if having a sports psychologist giving lectures will really help to improve the performance of these players in the World Cup,” Mohsin said.

  277. #277 by khansahab on May 15, 2009 - 10:46 AM

    Karachi: a stormy melting pot

    The Guardian

    There is no city in Pakistan quite like Karachi, the southern port city that is the nation’s economic hub. Virtually every strand of Pakistani society is represented here, from working-class Punjabis, Balochis, Pashtuns and native Sindhis – the indigenous ethnic community of the province where Karachi is situated – to middle-class professionals and the super-rich. There are even sizeable Hindu and Christian populations whose presence here far outdates the creation of Pakistan. They say you can get everything here in Karachi, as I realised recently when a wealthy importer offered me the finest whisky from Scotland free of duty before excusing himself for evening prayers.

    The city is home to the country’s largest expatriate Indian community too. They are known, often derisively, as the Muhajir (migrant) peoples even though it has been some 62 years since they started emigrating to Pakistan. In many ways Karachi represents the plurality of Pakistan at its best and worst.

    There is practically no homogenous community in Pakistan, whether in terms of religion, ethnicity or class. In no place is this truer than in Karachi. Most of the time relations between different communities – such as the Muslim and Hindu residences of the Lighthouse market district – are good. Sometimes their members intermarry or run businesses together.

    But, as is so often the case, politics has a way of corrupting communal solidarity. In Karachi it has spawned violence too.

    There is perhaps no better reflection of this sobering reality than the brutal assassination attempt on former prime minister Benazir Bhutto in October 2007. While her motorcade was travelling towards the tomb of Pakistan’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, two suicide bombers detonated themselves among the massive throng that had lined the streets to greet Bhutto, leaving 138 dead, many hundreds more injured and creating a ghastly scene of limbs and blood.

    A mere five months earlier another spate of violence erupted when the then-deposed chief justice of Pakistan, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, took his “long march” into the city. Riots between the Muhajir-led Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) that was allied to then-dictator Pervez Musharraf clashed with supporters of Bhutto’s Pakistan Peoples Party and the Awami National Party, at the time key opposition groups and allies of the deposed Chaudhry.

    The clashes left at least 36 dead while police arrested hundreds of PPP and other activists supporting Chaudhry.

    Now the violence has captured another of the city’s growing communities. The poor Pashtun population, economic migrants from the North West Frontier Province, have flocked to Karachi from well before the anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan in the 1980s in search of livelihoods.

    It isn’t unusual to see old Pashtun men wielding what appear ancient shotguns in their signature blue security uniforms and flowing beards in the plush suburbs of Clifton and Defence.

    There is deep distrust of the Pashtun here, and the largely Pashtun Taliban insurgency in the NWFP has not helped.

    It doesn’t matter, of course, that the vast majority of Pashtun here support the secular Awami National Party (ANP) that has for decades had close ties with the United States, or that its activists have been violently targeted by the Taliban in the North West Frontier Province where the ANP tentatively holds government following landslide victory last year’s general elections.

    These Pashtuns are lazy, conservative … they cause a lot of problems [in Karachi],” says Ashraf, a taxi driver and father of two, himself originally from the Punjabi city of Faisalabad. For the past few years the MQM, no stranger to wedge-politics, as demonstrated by its role in the 2007 riots, has been playing on such fears.

    According to MQM leader Altaf Hussain, Karachi is so overrun with Pashtun intrigues that it risks turning into another Taliban stronghold. He even called on the Pakistan army and its powerful Inter Services Intelligence to investigate alleged collusion between the Taliban and the ANP in Karachi.

    Such claims have been widely dismissed by the government and analysts, not least because the vast majority of Pashtuns in Karachi support the secular nationalist ANP.

    Since the early 1990s the MQM leader has lived in the United Kingdom after some of his relatives were murdered. His party attained notoriety when it ruled Karachi: the city was engulfed by gang-style terror, either endorsed or ignored by the MQM, and many ordinary citizens as well as political opponents were kidnapped, tortured or murdered.

    Many Karachites have their own experiences of this period, such as a taxi driver named Asif who once told me he was beaten in a “torture cell” for 24 hours because some gangsters discovered he had hidden a wad of cash to pay for his brother’s wedding.

    “They kept asking me, ‘where is the money?’ and I told them again and again, ‘what money?'” But eventually, after hours of repeated beatings with a metal rod, Asif told them he had hidden money in his rickshaw.

    “After that, I was driven [still blindfolded] to my rickshaw. They … took the money and then took me back to the torture cell. ‘Why did you lie to us?’ they said.” Asif was left bound in a dark, rank smelling cell for another 24 hours before eventually being released.

    To this day, he blames MQM supporters for the ordeal, just as many Karachi residents blame them for the current mayhem.
    Recently two MQM workers were killed, presumed murdered by members of a Pashtun gang, unleashing a wave of chaos that saw many businesses torched in downtown Karachi and 23 people killed. Similar clashes occurred last year immediately following the Mumbai attacks in India. Many believe Indian intelligence to have been behind the incident in retaliation for Mumbai, but no concrete evidence has ever emerged.

    And only this week a potential crisis was averted when strikes planned to commemorate the second anniversary of the 12 May clashes were called off after the chief minister of Sindh, a stalwart of Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari’s Pakistan Peoples Party, called a public holiday.

  278. #278 by khansahab on May 15, 2009 - 11:09 AM

    I was pleasantly surprised to read the comment of a Pakistani on some forum regarding politics in Pakistan. He did not give out his name but identified himself as a Punjabi. He said that Urdu Speakers supported Musharraf because he is also an Urdu Speaker, and he quickly added that although he does not believe that is the right thing to do, it is understandable.

    He also said that Imran Khan came to Karachi to spread unrest and to mobilise the Pathans to riot against Muhajirs and form a coalition to take down MQM. He said that if Imran is so concerned about Pakistan or Pathans he should go to NWFP and offer relief to the internally displaced Pashtuns who need assistance in the region, instead of playing ethnic politics.

    Finally he acknowledged that MQM has offered sizable financial assistance to internally displaced persons in NWFP.

  279. #279 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2009 - 2:52 PM

    “Pakistan needs batting coach, not psychologist:” Zaheer Abbas

    There you go, he is making “A” room for himself (like Waqar says) if Zaheer is so sincere and straightforward he should have said, “Let Miandad coach them” just like Boycott said, but he is trying to make some inroads …. Ganday Naalay may hath dholo.

    As regards Zaheer and Mohsin Khan’s view about not having a psychologist in the team on the pretext that “these players are not small children but professionals and they should know what they are supposed to do on the field…..” Perhaps both of them think that psychologists are just shrinks and a shrink’s job is to analyze them or cure them through various sessions and sittings, and the idea of a shrink means you are dealing with psychopaths, schizophrenics or, a bipolar personality. aNO, that’s wrong. Even in big corporations psychologists are employed permanently and their job is different from the one who treat those patients.

    The sports psychologists ought to have good sound knowledge about the game of cricket too and, that’s what it is. He tries to instill inspiration, motivation and determination in the players. He takes into consideration their strengths and weakness with the help of the coach and then also observes their mistakes and not only highlight them but, make them believe that with a little bit of thinking it can be corrected. People like Dr. Edward de Bono who is a medical doctor but, he is a professional management consultant and author of so many books are doing this kinda job in the corporate world. In one of his books “Tactics“Edward de Bono wrote about Abdul Qadir and Mike Brearly. Btw, he is a cricket buzz.

    The point I am trying to make here is if our players (Mohsin and Zaheer) were well educated, then they may not have said this. The fine tuning always makes a big difference, the Pakistani players are very talented but, we are not talking about talent here, it is the application and self control and making the best use of that talent that we are talking about.

    There is something called finesse that does not come to you automatically even if you are a graduate or a post-graduate. It is nurtured at various levels, the best time is when you are developing as a child, from your home, from the family background and the schools you go to and the environment. There is so much detail to it that it would be too much to write it here. Perhaps Zaheer and Mohsin are talking about that, but there is no age limit in acquiring some specific knowledge, and for that you need some specialists. Besides, the expression is so right, “where there is a will, there is a way.”

    The basic ingredients of a human DNA is the same, then why is there so much difference between the people? If these people had known the answer, they wouldn’t have talked like this. All I can say is, ‘get out of the dry old well and get into this whole new world.’ Just don’t sit back and deplore technology and the resources and feel proud in saying, “I am from the old school of thought ….” Yes, you are not only from the old school of thought, but you also have an old rotten mind and the brain cells don’t regenerate in your case. The new technology and science confirms that you can, if you want to. So, it is really a matter of “I Can.”

  280. #280 by Theossa on May 15, 2009 - 5:07 PM


    @ 303: Very wise post as always. The media print sensational stuff without much substance. All 15 members of the quad do not have to best friends and the only thing they need is a good understanding of each other so that they can communicate while playing together. It’s just natural that people from the same ethnic backgrounds, from same part of the country, or just with mutual interests will become closer or hang out together.

    Javed Jumma Khan

    @ “our opinions are poles apart”. And that distance depends on the length of the poles 😀

    I agree any four teams can win the T20 World Cup, I would even say any of the top 6 teams can win it. It all depends on who gets hot in the tournament. I picked India because they look to be the best in the tournament.
    @ but for T20, I won’t include Younis Unfortunately I and you are not the selectors and he will be selected because he is the Captain of the team, whether we like it or not. His ODI and T20 record is not spectacular but he’ll turn it around sooner or later. I do expect him to play much better in this T20 WC.

    I think in all formats of cricket Pak should play 3 specialist bowlers, 4 specialist batsmen and 4 allrounders including a wicket keeper batsman.

  281. #281 by Theossa on May 15, 2009 - 5:21 PM


    Yeah, I always guard innocent cheeko kids like Abdul muggar tum eik buchche se kion derta keh os ko malamut kerta?

    Lagta hai aaj Javed jumme ke namaz kha gaya, LOL. Ummeed hai tum aazmooda bahana banowge keh wazzo nahin hai, mugger sawal uththa hai wazzo kaise tota? Aor yeh Abdul ke tasweer tumhare desktop per kion hai?

  282. #282 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2009 - 6:50 PM

    Of course, Theo its only on Fridays that I pray and you are jealous of even that? And, yeah I just returned. Btw, Sher ka wazoo kabhee nahee toot ta, itnay kucchay bhee nahee kay bucchay ko dekh ker toot jaye.

  283. #283 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2009 - 7:01 PM

    Theo: You keep dreaming about Younus Khan that he will turn around one day! Whenever he looks like he has settled down, he plays a silly shot and gets out. He has to hang in there for a long time but, then he slows down. I don’t want Salman Butt and Ahmad Shahzad to open the innings for Pakistan, in the first ten overs they will score 35-40 runs or both will be out before that. So, no point in playing such players in T20.

    I dunno how much yelling is needed in making those deaf ears who select them. They must sort out their priorities and get the squad right instead of worrying about the Sri Lanka series after the WC and, playing in Yorkshire against Australia in 2010 and to fight for the 2011 WC rights etc. Get, Imran Nazir in the squad and get rid of Shoaib Akhtar. I would ideally like Pakistan to play the team below in the T20 WC. I know some of the players are not in the squad so the chances of my inclusions are not likely, that is why I have said, ideally.

    1. Imran Nazir
    2. Shahid Afridi
    3. Kamran Akmal
    4. Shoaib Malik
    5. Younus Khan (since he is the indispensable captain)
    6. Misbahul Haq
    7. Fawad Alam (batsman – can bat)
    8. Yasir Arafat (medium fast – can bat)
    9. Umar Gul (fast / medium fast)
    10. Rana Naveed (medium fast)
    11. Saeed Ajmal.

    Reserves: Sohail Tanvir, and the other fast bowlers…

    There are 4 spinners (of which 3 are all-rounders) and 3 medium fast bowlers and that is enough.


    The reason I am including Rana Naveed in the team ahead of Tanvir, Rao and Akhtar is: Rana has more experience than others in the English conditions where the ball swings and Rana can swing both ways, Yasir Arafat skids the ball and he too has played a lot in the county matches and is aware of the conditions, in short more experienced than others.

  284. #284 by Theossa on May 15, 2009 - 7:26 PM

    Javed, to be successful in T20 one needs to play spinners very well and I think Younis is the best Pakistan has against spin. Every Batsman goes through bad phases and Younis is having one. If he didn’t have the temperament then he wouldn’t be the current no.1 Test batsman in the World. Since he will be the captain, let’s hope he contribute something significant with his bat.

    I like your “ideal” team but we’ll actually see Shoaib along with Omar as the starters in the bowling department. Shoaib can hit some boundaries so he’s likely to play pending fitness. Yes Butt and Shehzad won’t be a good fit for T20. Maybe Younis will give cap to the new young opener from Karachi, Shahzaib Hasan. So the close to your ideal team but realistic selection would have Imran Nazir and Rana Naveed replaced by Shahzaib and Akhtar.

  285. #285 by Aamir Iqbal on May 15, 2009 - 8:18 PM

    T20 CRICKET is a game of skill,determination,tactics and approach. Therefore I agree to an extent with controversial skipper Chris Gayle about where the games future lies. Although test cricket shall remain the “real deal”. But as regards to ODI cricket, simply who cares-boredom.

    Here are our best 5 best T20 players with out the slighted doubt:

    Imran Nazir
    Rana Naved
    Fawad Alam
    Shahid Afridi
    Azhar Mahmood

  286. #286 by Aamir Iqbal on May 15, 2009 - 8:27 PM

    Younis is a class act with the bat. An absolute leading example of modern gr8s. Wonderful eye pleasing shots with an excellent technique which provides the perfect plaform.

    test average= 52
    odi average= 34

    So what remarks are u implying Javed ?

  287. #287 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2009 - 9:37 PM

    test average= 52
    odi average= 34
    So what remarks are u implying Javed ?

    Abdul we are talking about T20 cricket.

  288. #288 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2009 - 9:38 PM

    Azhar Mahmood is finished, he is over the hill like shoaib akhtar so discard him.

  289. #289 by khansahab on May 15, 2009 - 10:21 PM


    Younis is not a T20 player. He is not a good player in T20 at domestic level and he is a poor T20 batsman at international level. That is because he is a proper orthodox batsman who plans his innings and he is also not very aggressive.

    Yousuf is also very orthodox and very technical, but he is a poor T20 batsman.

    Out of all the great middle order batsmen, I think only Ponting has a decent T20 record. That is because Ponting is a naturally aggressive player and he likes to take his chances but not without playing the ball on its merit.

    In T20 your temperament does not matter as much. Imran Nazir does not have great temperament but most people would consider him an automatic T20 selection. Same goes for Imran Farhat, a very poor temperament in ODI and Test but an OK T20 player.

    The reason why players like Misbah are good at T20 is because Misbah is an expert six-hitter and he is good at prodding the ball here and there. If you observe Misbah’s batting stance, his footwork and his shot selection you will see he is relatively unorthodox. That is why he is a successful T20 player because in T20 you have to be unorthodox to some extent. In the same way I don’t envisage Misbah to be a world class Test and ODI batsman for Pakistan because you need to be more orthodox and technical in those formats.


    After so much has been said and done how the hell did you STILL think we were discussing a different format to T20?

  290. #290 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2009 - 3:14 AM

    Theossa, when I said, “Poles Apart” I meant the expression i.e., as far apart as possible. And the expression alludes to the two extremities of the earth’s axis, the North and South poles. If you are thinking of badminton poles or volleyball poles then you can talk about the size of the poles and only an Akhroat can think of the other thing as poles. In some desi dialects even a bamboo is referred as a pole. Both Wasim Akram and Waqar Younus while commentating used the word bamboozled and instead they both said; bambood, which is not an English word but, just a desi expression “bamboo kerna.”

  291. #291 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2009 - 3:19 AM

    khansahab eye yum agree agree with you on YK, MOYO and Misbah etc., you have said about their stance and their approach. For T20 you definitely need unorthodox approach but not to the extent of becoming so predictable like Misbah’s paddle shots and reverse sweeps.

    If you remember Yuvraj’s six sixes, he never moved from his place and stayed motionless till the last moment and that way he was able to judge the ball and hit it wherever he wanted according to the merit of the shot. Most people move too much – predetermined – and that way the bowler also changes the length and the direction so that is not a very good approach.

    And, abdul was thinking about Tape Ball cricket that is why he was thinking differently. 😀

  292. #292 by Awas on May 16, 2009 - 10:49 AM


    Younis is not a T20 player”.

    Its very correct that he in not like, lets say, Afridi or Imran Nazir but fact of the matter is even in T20 you cannot have all 11 players of the same type. Some balance is required. I would never consider Mohammed Yousaf here as not only he is a slow starter but a very poor fielder too. Whereas, Younus is an asset in the field.

    It has been suggested in the past that Rahul Dravid type players shouldn’t be in the T20 either but as I mentioned in comment 303 even a torch bearer of orthodox players like him have now pretty good strike-rate in IPL and if you check not much different to Dhoni’s strike rate.

  293. #293 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2009 - 11:06 AM

    Awas: By his own records, Dhoni is not as good as he is in ODI and tests averages – test 37, ODI’s 49 and T20 only 23 – proves my point. Besides, IPL is a different league, if you can’t fit in this franchise, you fit in that franchise. Whereas, a national side has only 11 slots, so players like Dravid can fit in one of the franchises but, how can you justify it for a national 11 when you are dealing with other youngsters who are better than them in batting, bowling and fielding too?

    Younus say khansahab ki ya meri koi dushmani nahee but, when it comes to choose the best national team of 11 you have to be fair. If Inzi was the captain of the team he would have stayed in T20 too. All these sound middle order Jumbo Jet type players shift from slow to fast gears very slowly and by that time the T20 game is over. Therefore, for T20 you need a two stroke Yamaha or a Kawasaki.

  294. #294 by khansahab on May 16, 2009 - 11:19 AM


    A high strike rate is not the only requirement to be a good T20 player. What is needed is good improvisation, unorthodox technique and the power to hit long and hard. Even Afridi with his very high strike rate is not a good T20 batsman or it’s more appropriate to say he has not fulfilled his potential.

    I know that balance is important and I have said many times (since the Pakspin days) that Younis is disadvantaged playing at no 3. If he batted lower down he could play his natural game better which is to plan his innings. You can see he threw away his wicket against the Australians recently because he was trying to attack unnecessarily whereas he is the type of player who needs to get settled first before trying to attack. That is what impedes him from becoming a good T20 player because there is very little scope for “settling down”, unless too many wickets have fallen and a batsman is forced to absorb pressure and play cautiously.

    That is the advantage Misbah has over Younis and Yousuf. Misbah can come at no 5 or no 6 and gauge the situation and play according to it. We often see him coming early on and playing slowly as he tries to absorb the pressure. Then towards the end of the innings he starts playing the big shots.

  295. #295 by Awas on May 16, 2009 - 11:24 AM


    LOL @ “Dushmani

    Last year before the start of IPL, Deccans had following in their squad, all dream T20 players but they were somewhere at the bottom at the end of the tournament.

    Adam Gilchrist
    Andrew Symonds
    Herschelle Gibbs
    Shahid Afridi
    Rohit Sharma

    Each one of them was a match-winner on his day but they still failed. That’s why I said even here some balance is required.

  296. #296 by Awas on May 16, 2009 - 11:37 AM


    By his own records, Dhoni is not as good as he is in ODI and tests averages”.

    He was the captain of the winning world cup T20 team. As khansahab said, a good improviser is needed here and there is no doubt Dhoni definitely is it. Besides, he is one of the best captains in world cricket. Hence as I said “balance is required”.

  297. #297 by khansahab on May 16, 2009 - 3:12 PM


    You are right that these aggressive players who play at high strike rates did not perform in IPL. I think we discussed at length here on LS that one of the reasons is that there is no patriotism when they are playing and they are only playing for money.

    I am not saying you are necessarily wrong, but if you look at the leading run scorers of the T20 WC in 2007, you will see the list presents a different picture:


    You can see that in the top 10 you have all these aggressive players like Hayden, Misbah (we discussed he is a T20 expert), Malik (I’ve said he is a good T20 player), Pieterson, Kemp, Gilchrist etc.

  298. #298 by khansahab on May 16, 2009 - 3:23 PM


    I care about ODI cricket and the format I care least about is T20. Kids like T20 because it is watching a movie; you see half naked cheerleaders, mad crowds and lots of masala and razmatazz.

    By constantly supporting T20 and saying ODI cricket is boredom you are proving that you are a kid. There will be many intelligent and mature 17 year olds who will like ODI for what it is.

    In my opinion ODI cricket should be the most popular format because it can encompass elements of one extreme, Test cricket, and the other extreme, T20 cricket. You have 50 overs to play for and you can play slowly like Butt or play attackingly like Afridi. Bowlers also have scope to perist with a certain line and length although increasinly their role is disappearing from the game.

    I don’t think T20 cricket will be this popular for long because of various reasons- firstly, crowds will get fed up of the unpredictable nature of T20 where any of the established teams can defeat one another. Also, since South Asian countries are good at T20 too much focus will be lavished upon them and they will also benefit financially, more so than the England, South African and Australian boards.

    So my guess is that the English speaking and 1 or 2 other countries will not tolerate this for too long.

  299. #299 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2009 - 3:28 PM

    Awas; I did not say Dhoni is a bad player or a captain, I only mentioned that by his own standards he is not as good as he is in the ODI and tests and that substantiates my claim from his averages. And you were comparing him with Dravid. In fact Dravid’s own T20 average is slightly better than Dhoni (26). Dhoni’s average is 23.


    The reason I mentioned Ajmal’s name is, I am not aware of the new players in Pakistan, I would have mentioned Sohail Khan, but having more than 3 specialist seamers is not necessary in T20. Most teams can play the fast bowlers very well, it is the spinners who block the runs, Umar Gul is very effective and may be there are a few other fast bowlers in the world who can bowl like Gul, but not mediocre or rookies can do any damage in the death overs.

  300. #300 by khansahab on May 16, 2009 - 4:27 PM

    A cobweb of myths

    Dr Tariq Rahman

    NOW that a military operation is going on in the Malakand Division it is imperative that it should be supported by the people and that the IDPs should be looked after with all resources at hand and be treated with compassion and respect.

    Unfortunately, we have many myths and conspiracy theories which prevent clear thinking and that need to be debunked.

    Myth 1: America wants our nuclear weapons and is destabilising Pakistan through the Taliban.

    This myth is dangerous because those who subscribe to it also believe that America pays the Taliban to destabilise Pakistan to create an excuse to take away our nuclear weapons. This makes it difficult for the government to fight the Taliban while accepting American aid as the whole thing seems to be a cruel hoax to ordinary Pakistanis.

    The US has over 5,400 nuclear warheads and it is thousands of kilometres away from this country. Moreover, it allowed Pakistan to develop these weapons. America would not gain if Pakistan is destabilised because then Al Qaeda would be strengthened and that would threaten America.

    During the 1971 war America warned India not to overrun (West) Pakistan because it was not in America’s interest to destabilise South Asia any further. In 1999 during the Kargil episode America helped Pakistan to cut its losses without further bloodshed.

    During the Afghan war the US wanted to defeat the Soviet Union and paid Pakistan to do so. Pakistan helped because it needed the military aid and money (and Ziaul Haq wanted American support). And now, once again, America wants to defeat the Islamic militants because they threaten America and Pakistan needs the money. That is what the Kerry-Lugar bill is for and that is precisely why the IMF and the Friends of Pakistan consortium have lent Pakistan billions of dollars. It is not in America’s interest to destabilise Pakistan because if it breaks up or is Talibanised it will be a threat to America.

    So, while America’s policies might not be the most productive, it makes no sense to claim that the Taliban are US agents in a conspiracy against our nuclear weapons.

    Myth 2: Nothing gets done in Pakistan unless America wants it to happen.

    This is a different version of the previous myth and it is not true. No country is so powerful that it can get everything done. Pakistan made friends with communist China against America’s wishes. Later, it was the US which sought American help to develop its own relations with China. Pakistan also developed nuclear weapons against American wishes. During the lawyers’ movement America was a supporter of Musharraf until he turned weak and it was no longer in America’s interest to support him.

    Myth 3: The Taliban want Islam in the country but their approach is wrong.

    This depends on personal interpretations of the Sharia. The Taliban want to impose their version of it. However, it is not only a matter of approach, it is also a matter of the interpretation of the Sharia. In fact the Taliban version of the Sharia would make life joyless for all and a torture for women. Secondly, the country would lose a pool of talent to other countries. Thirdly, productivity would decrease as Pakistan would be isolated.

    Fourthly, science and technology, indeed all knowledge, would suffer as creative minds would be stifled in an atmosphere of fear. Fifthly, either the US or India or Iran would be so alarmed as to attack us or stop all foreign aid to us because such a regime would be a threat to their way of life and religious practices. Lastly, the Taliban is a name for disparate groups and gangs. They would fight for power, making us another Afghanistan.

    Myth 4: If Nato forces withdraw from Afghanistan there will be peace.

    Nato forces should withdraw from Afghanistan as a matter of principle but this will not end Talibanisation. Indeed, if Nato forces withdraw, parts of Afghanistan will be ruled by the Taliban once again. If Pakistan sides with them it will be isolated by the rest of the world. If it does not, it will have a hostile neighbour. In either case the Taliban worldview will be strengthened in Pakistan.

    The groups seeking power in order to enforce Taliban-style Sharia in Pakistan will continue their attempt to succeed. This will mean that the danger to girls’ schools, women’s freedom of choice in moving around, dress code, art and music will remain under threat.

    However, in addition to the principle that one does not want any country to occupy another, one would want America to withdraw since the occupation creates a backlash. So, even at the risk of strengthening the Talibanisation of the Pashto-speaking areas our government and thinkers should raise their voice for a Nato withdrawal. When this happens Pakistan will find it easier to fight the Taliban because Pakistanis will stop calling it an anti-colonial war.

    Myth 5: Islamic militancy is created by poverty and ignorance.

    This is only partly true. The family background of Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Abu Musaib al-Zarqawi (killed in 2006) — all leading lights of Islamic militancy — cannot be called a poverty-stricken one. Osama’s family is among the richest globally. Zawahiri comes from a distinguished Egyptian family. Zarqawi’s father was an army officer and mayor of a town in Jordan called Zarqa.

    Nor is the leadership illiterate. All were educated though not in the liberal arts or the social sciences. The fact is that their ideas about using militancy to defeat what is perceived as western domination (called ‘Crusaders’ by them) and the corrupt ruling elites of the Muslim world emanate from Sayyid Qutb of the Muslim Brotherhood and Abd al-Salam Faraj of Egypt. Indeed, they go back to Taqi Uddin Ibu Taymiyya (1263-1328) who lived during the tumultuous time of the Mongol invasions.

    The leadership disseminates ideas about the permanent grievances of Muslims, such as Israel’s domination of Palestinian land, to young people who burn with a sense of outrage. Here the poverty nexus does come in since the ordinary rank and file of militant movements come from poor, unhappy, violence-prone households. They want money, respect and justice and these are promised to these deprived angry young men. They then become cannon fodder for the militants.

    If we understand these and other myths and realise that we have created our own Frankensteins and not foreign countries; that most of the militants are our people and not foreigners (though some are); that foreign countries may help militants but are not powerful enough to keep them alive for ever; that we made mistakes in the past of which we are reaping the harvest — then we can still make Pakistan safe for our children.

  301. #301 by khansahab on May 16, 2009 - 4:38 PM

    I have a problem with people saying that America is funding the militants who are destabilising Pakistan.

    America spent millions of dollars invading Afghanistan and then millions or maybe billions of dollars invading Iraq. America had grossly underestimated the power of Saddam’s elite forces and also the outrage the invasion would cause amongst the civilians. So it was not easy defeating Saddam and taking control over Iraq.

    This affected the American economy at home as the government was constantly criticised over budget deficits.

    Americans are very aware of how much the Pakistani public hates them and they will not risk destablising Pakistan and invite more hatred from Pakistanis.

    I think America wants to “control” how Pakistan might use its nukes, but I don’t think it “wants” Pakistani nukes.

  302. #302 by Awas on May 16, 2009 - 4:52 PM


    That was a good point that playing for your country is a different matter and we did indeed discuss this on LS before that passion is lacking in IPL. One reason Lahore Badshahs were good in ICL were that it was Pakistani team.

    Your link shows interesting statistics. Talking of aggressive players, it was good to see Afridi’s strike rate seems to be at the top.

    By the way, I did say Yousuf is not suitable for T20 for being a bad fielder and a slow starter which Younus is not.


    I am aware you did not say “Dhoni is a bad player or a captain”. All I said was: “He was the captain of the winning world cup T20 team”. Hence good enough for T20.

    My point was balance.

    Filling the team up with master blasters alone is not necessarily a recipe for success. One odd cool head with a correct orthodox style of the caliber of Dravid, Younus in a team can be pretty useful.

  303. #303 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2009 - 4:01 AM

    Awas you have also cited the example of Gilchrist, Afridi, Gibbs, Rohit Sharma all in Deccan Chargers and they failed. and you have also said, “filling the team up with master blasters alone is not necessarily a recipe for success.”

    There is a difference between that kinda mix of master blasters from different countries and a national team packed with all-rounders and aggressive players. You must have observed that a World XI against Australia was never a success even with Tendulkar’s, Lara’s and Shoaib Actor etc. Because, there is no understanding between them. Whereas, if you select an aggressive national team, they play with the same spirit and understanding. So, I agree with you about balance, but the balance have to be right then there is balance and harmony! 😀

  304. #304 by Mohammed Munir on May 17, 2009 - 8:11 AM

    There have been some quite interesting and informative comments regarding the forthcoming T20 World Cup and Pakistan’s cricket in general. I think T20 was ‘unofficially’ formulated and played in Pakistan much before all other cricketing nations. The simple reason being that in Pakistan ‘Night Cricket’ and specially ‘Ramzan Cricket’ was always played in this T20 format. Ramzan Cricket tournaments are so popular and are mostly played after the ‘Taraweeh’ prayers till late night (Sahoor) or at times (specially in winters) during the afternoons just before the ‘Iftar’. Further, in Pakistan having only one day weekend and a much shorter day in winter season, also persuades local cricket fans to play and watch as much of cricket as possible during their free times. ABN Amro Bank (now RBS) sponsored event is one of the most famous domestic T20 tournament played in Pakistan for many years, much before the ICL and IPL commercialism.

    I agree that most of our current lot of players are not the most suitable for the T20 format, but as Javed have mentioned sometime back, in T20 you need just one or two players to turn the game into your favour and in that sense Pakistan have been lucky to have players like Afridi, who can single-handedly win a match for Pakistan within a span of few overs, be it with his bowling or batting.

    Cricket is an unpredictable sport, be it ODI or even Tests to some extent. But when it comes to T20, it not only impossible but totally unimaginable to correctly forecast the winner of the T20 World Cup, in this shorter version of the game. The only thing that we all can be sure about is that one of the contestants will definitely win 😉

    Indian team is in their peak performance mode and I guess no other team has played/ practiced as much of the T20 cricket recently as Indian players, so one can easily say that they have ‘good chance’, but then again …. T20 is unpredictable, and

    Pakistan is the champion of unpredictables 😆

  305. #305 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 8:13 AM

    Musharraf may stage political comeback

    Islamabad, May 16 (PTI) Former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf is not ruling out the possibility of running for office again, saying that the laws under which he stepped down would allow him to make a political comeback in six months.
    “We’re not running for office in six months,” he said. “I’m on lecture circuits. I’m enjoying this professional activity of giving lectures, which I could never imagine, as a military man, that I’d be doing,” the former military ruler told CNN.

    He said the laws under which he stepped down as President in August last year to avoid impeachment by the PPP-led government would allow him to run for office in six months.

    Asked if the PML-Q, a party which Musharraf helped form, wanted him to run as its presidential candidate, he replied: “They haven’t asked me yet … Let them ask me first and then I’ll reply.” Musharraf, who resigned under intense political pressure, said he wished the PPP-led government well and “would be the happiest person” if the country is able to deal with threats like growing political and martial strength of the Taliban.

    “But one is concerned about Pakistan, certainly,” he said.”If Pakistan is in trouble and if any Pakistani, myself included — if you can see that we can do something for it — well … My life is for Pakistan.”

  306. #306 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 8:54 AM

    Munir sahab

    You are right in saying that T20 cricket started in Pakistan. I saw a programme about this on Geo and it showed that they used to play 20 over matches at some ground in Nazimabad or FB Area in Karachi.

    This was in those days when Taslim Arif, Miandad etc were in their youth.

  307. #307 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 9:08 AM

    I don’t fear any bowler: Yusuf Pathan

    PORT ELIZABETH: He is not intimidated by any of the world-class bowlers in action at the Indian Premier League as Rajasthan Royals’ swashbuckling all-rounder Yusuf Pathan feels any fear of the opposition will adversely affect his aggressive style of batting.

    “I love challenges and facing world class attacks is a huge challenge for all of us. We have to be on our toes to get the better of the bowlers. After all, we are the defending champions here. If I had feared them, I would not have played the game,” Yusuf said.

    “It is not like if I stop playing my strokes I will start scoring in every game. I will get out eventually. So what is the point in changing your natural game? I just enjoy going there and playing my strokes fearlessly,” he added.

    Yusuf has played a crucial role in Rajasthan’s every success, amassing 233 runs at a strike rate of over 140 and taking seven wickets so far.

    Yusuf says he is thankful to skipper Shane Warne for having faith in him — something that has helped him do well in crunch situations.

    “He is one of the all-time greats. He has played a lot of cricket for Australia. I think my total match appearance even in domestic cricket is less than his wickets tally. Warne has been a great help. He has taught me how to judge the pitch and the technique of batsmen,” Yusuf said.

    “I get the same feeling for Sachin-paaji (Tendulkar). It feels great when they speak about me. To get a mention in their interviews is a great achievement for me,” Yusuf added.

    The all-rounder said Rajasthan team-mate Graeme Smith has also helped him improve as a player.

    “He is a great team man. He captains his national side and brings that experience to our team. He has been very helpful especially for the youngsters to adapt to the conditions here. He is very easy going and always generates positive vibes.

    “Playing with him has been a great experience. One can learn a lot while watching him prepare for a match. He takes his cricket seriously and is hard working,” he said.

    Asked if he wants to change anything in his playing style, Yusuf said he is happy with how things have gone for him so far but there are targets he still has to achieve.

    “I will continue to play my natural game. For me, it’s important to remain confident and my body language should be positive even under pressure. We all know it just takes few good overs or a few good minutes on the field to win a game. It is important to take some risks; stay mentally strong and believe I can do it,” he said.

    “I will not say that I have been able to achieve all my targets in IPL,” Yusuf said.

    Yusuf said his attacking batting is a combination of strength and timing.

    “Confidence is the key. One must be very confident about what one is doing. At times, when the timing is very good, the ball travels really far,” he said.

    “I am a batting all-rounder. While bowling I just try to bowl as many dot balls possible and that is my role as a bowler. Batting is my main focus. Though, I have taken crucial wickets, I prefer calling myself a batsman who bowls decently,” he said.

  308. #308 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2009 - 11:45 AM

    Saying that I am not afraid of any bowler in the world is easy, performing consistently is another matter. Yousuf Pathan, (like Misbah in WC T20) has not performed since the last IPL. There is no doubt that he is a big hitter of the ball and a very good T20 player, but he is not performing well. It is like Afridi, despite being a big hitter has not been able to do well in the batting department. Hopefully he may be able to do it this time because he has started to click once again. IMO, he must open the innings. Like Jayasuriya does and he makes 30-40 runs under 20 balls and sometimes he scores 60-70 and the match is over in favour of his team.

    Munir, if you remember we discussed this night cricket and Ramadan cricket in Pakistan on PakSpin in detail and some people did not like to hear the facts. Night cricket is still being played in Pakistan with a tape ball in almost every mohalla’s gully koocha. Take a look at these 4 pictures below, cricket is being played from Karachi to Khunjarab (even above Gilgit and Chitral) with same passion and enthusiasm:

  309. #309 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2009 - 11:54 AM

    Here is an article by Fatima Bhutto daughter of Murtaza Bhutto:

    Thu, 05/14/2009 – 2:18pm

    How Pakistan’s president is scamming the West.
    By Fatima Bhutto

    President Asif Ali Zardari, less than a year into his reign, has managed to engage Pakistan’s armed forces, the seventh largest army in the world, in a guerrilla war with the newly formed Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, our very own Taliban, in the North West Frontier Province. Rumors of Talibanization air daily on Pakistani television, radio and print media: The barbarians are at the gate, we are told, and warned that if there was a time to rally around the nation’s oleaginous president, a man known locally as “President Ghadari” or traitor in Urdu, this is it. However, the time for scaremongering has past — it is precisely President Zardari’s politically expedient use of national hysteria that has seen American drones welcomed over Pakistan’s airspace and has birthed a war that this government cannot win.

    In the aftermath and fallout of 9/11, Pakistan saw its elite — the power brokers of the country’s politics and economy — turn against their traditional allies, the United States for the first time. As U.S. forces occupied first Afghanistan and then Iraq, Pakistan’s elite took an unexpected turn; they welcomed resistance to American foreign policy and supported, as they had never quite done before, Islamic parties that took control of local government and provincial cabinet positions in the North West Frontier Province.

    Islamic parties in Pakistan traditionally perform poorly in national elections — garnering only a handful of seats in the assembly, but the 2002 elections saw them enter coalitions and alliances that brought them to power on the national level. For the nation’s elite, a powerful but small minority and the stronghold of Western interests, this was a dangerous turn of events.

    In 2008, months after taking power in a hastily organized parliamentary election, Zardari drew upon Pakistan’s overwhelmingly anti-American sentiment and empowered the nascent domestic Taliban, which entered prominence roughly at the same time that the president did, by capitulating to their demands for sharia law in the Swat Valley (the very same region that the government is now, one month later, bombarding with American assistance).

    With one hand, Zardari gave the militants what they wanted — no vote or referendum was held — and Taliban law was imposed on the Swat Valley by force. With the other, Zardari pointed a crooked finger at the rise of fundamentalism and capitalized on a golden opportunity to bring the nation’s elite back into the government’s obsequiously pro-American fold.

    The Taliban were pointed out as the largest threat facing the urban elite of Karachi, Islamabad and Lahore — they threatened our values, our dress, our lives, and they had to be dealt with for us to remain safe. While the Taliban have certainly made inroads into Pakistan in the last year, there is no doubt that they were only able to do so with the consent of the government, a very powerful backer. Without the government aiding and abetting the Taliban (as in the Swat Valley), they have a long way to go before they can exercise power in any cohesive manner.

    Zardari’s double game may have brought him billions more in American aid and assistance — U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke being the president’s loudest champion in Washington, warning Congress that if billions of dollars are not delivered immediately to Pakistan the war on terror will be in mortal danger — but it has lost him Pakistan. As we watch the number of internally displaced people rise steadily toward two million our army kills our own citizens, it should come as no surprise when the BBC Urdu service reveals that the government controls only 38 percent of the NWFP province — a number that is sure to fall as the weeks go on.

    Fatima Bhutto writes for the New Statesman and the Daily Beast. She is working on a book on Pakistan to be published in 2010. She is a niece of Benazir Bhutto, who was married to Asif Ali Zardari.
    Photo: JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images

  310. #310 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2009 - 12:37 PM

    Here is an excerpt from Mr. Ahmed Quraishi’s article on his website about Taliban:

    This picture saddened me no end (the picture he is referring to is about the old tribesmen being beaten by Pakistani policemen). The proud tribesmen of Pakistan, those who beat the English and the Russians and fought their way to liberate half of the Indian occupied Kashmir are now facing an American conspiracy and a Pakistani complacency. America’s Afghan blunders have resulted in expelling the proud Pakistani tribesmen from their homes and turned almost One and a half a million of them into refugees in their own country. If this wasn’t enough, here comes Pakistan to treat them as animals in the ‘tent cities’ built for them near Peshawar.

    And then come the Americans and the Indians to spread literature encouraging the Pashtun to demand a separate homeland called Pashtunistan. For a year and a half, we at AhmedQuraishi.com and PakNationalists Group have been explaining to Pakistanis, with original reporting and informed analysis, how Pakistan’s tribal belt was peaceful until 2005, and how ‘non-state actors’ in Washington DC have used the Afghan soil to create, arm and sustain insurgencies inside Pakistan that run from the Chinese-built Gwadar port in the south to the Chinese border in the north.

    The suicide bombings, the attacks and the destabilization is punishment for Pakistan for supporting the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan and for insisting to stick to Kashmir against the wishes of India, Washington’s new regional slave-soldier. The anti-Pakistan insurgencies hide behind the covered faces of the so-called Pakistani Taliban who receive money and weapons from Afghanistan. Now the Americans want to expand the process of more and more Pakistani tribesmen leaving their homes and escaping deeper inside Pakistan.

    The suspicion is that Washington wants to create a buffer zone between the U.S.-occupied Afghanistan and Pakistan, a zone inhabited by no one. All Pakistani tribes pushed out. The strategy is working. The number of these Pakistanis who have become refugees inside their own country is nearing one and a half a million. Pakistani media and journalists are playing an unfortunate role in helping the Americans by focusing on failed Pakistani politicians and their power games that are diverting the attention of the Pakistani public opinion from the important issue of the plight of these brave Pakistani tribesmen and how our government is silently abetting the Americans in humiliating them.

    I wrote recently in The News that Pakistan needs a Putin, a Pakistani nationalist who loves his homeland and his people and who is ruthless enough to do what’s right for all of us and for the homeland and liberate it from the clutches of the stooges of the Americans and the Brits. I hope he comes before it’s too late.

  311. #311 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 12:54 PM

    Extremism in Britain:

    ‘I was groomed for jihad in Britain’

    A TEENAGER has revealed how he was recruited by Al-Qaeda-inspired extremists and groomed to carry out suicide attacks in Britain.

    In the first insider account of how radicals are preying on vulnerable Muslim youths, the teenager describes being approached by Islamists at a mosque in south London that was used by the failed 21/7 bombers, and indoctrinated at a secret network of squats.

    Aged 15, he was the youngest of about 50 recruits who were shown “martyrdom” videos and encouraged to travel to Pakistan to receive terrorist training.

    The youth, who is called Adam, told The Sunday Times: “They showed us a jihadist video with the martyrdom flags behind the guy speaking, and the message I got was that I should prepare myself for martyrdom.

    “I know a few of the others accepted that they would go [for training in Pakistan]. Some of the young people said, ‘I’m going to go’. That was the ultimate purpose of what these men were doing: what they were doing was training people up to carry out operations in the UK.”

    Adam, who is now 18, quit the group after a year. The whereabouts of most of the other recruits is unknown.

    “It was quite shocking to me,” he said. “I started to think, ‘Well, hold on a second, I don’t want to kill anybody. Yeah, I’ve got anger inside me, but this isn’t the right way to deal with this’.”

    Adam, whose real name is being withheld to protect his safety, is now enrolled in a rehabilitation programme for would-be terrorists.

    The scheme is a blueprint for a nationwide “detoxification” programme backed by the Home Office and police chiefs to which 200 people — some as young 13 — have been referred.

    When Adam fell under the spell of extremists at the Stockwell mosque in Lambeth in 2005, he was floundering at school, had few friends and was desperately in need of some direction.

    He was the eldest of seven children whose Algerian father had died when he was just eight, and his new friends’ talk of Muslim brotherhood seemed to offer the stability he craved.

    “A lot of people think that terrorists are recruited in special recruiting grounds, but the truth is that it actually goes on in mosques a lot of the time,” said the gangly south London teenager.

    “You’ll go to pray and there’ll be small groups of people just away from the main group in the mosque having their own discussion, talking about jihad and all these types of things.

    “They started talking to me about what’s going on in Iraq and about how all the people are dying and then they started inviting me to religious talks.”

    The Stockwell mosque had previously been attended by Muktar Ibrahim and Hussain Osman, two of the four men who failed in their attempt to carry out suicide bombings on London’s transport network on July 21, 2005 — two weeks after the 7/7 attacks which killed 52 commuters.

    Adam’s new mentors were Mohammed Hamid, a preacher with links to the 21/7 bombers who called himself Osama Bin London, and Atilla Ahmet, a former aide to Abu Hamza, the hook-handed cleric of Finsbury Park mosque in north London.

    After police closed down Hamza’s power base in 2004, Hamid and Ahmet moved to take control of Stockwell mosque.

    A month after Adam was approached at the mosque, he was invited to the first of many meetings at a rundown squat in south London. It was here — and in similar buildings — that the real process of indoctrination went on, with exposure to violent videos, including footage of beheadings.

    “They would show us videos of people bragging about 7/7 and 9/11 and they made it clear that they approved of it,” said Adam, who was one of two 15-year-old recruits, the youngest out of a group of 15-20 men.

    “They weren’t as blunt as to say, ‘Yes, we did this’ or ‘We did that’. They were more aware than anyone that there’s a chance that someone in that room could be recording them.”

    Adam was told that more advanced recruits had been sent on training exercises to the Lake District and the New Forest in Hampshire, as well as paintballing sessions in the home counties. At Ibrahim’s trial it emerged that several of these training camps were the subject of police surveillance.

    Adam said Ahmet and Hamid, who helped to radicalise some of the 21/7 bombers at his east London home, often distorted quotes from the Koran to back their arguments.

    “For example, the Koran says killing innocents is one of the biggest sins, but they would say that the innocents were just collateral damage and it was therefore okay,” said Adam.

    Unlike Ibrahim, Adam never travelled to Pakistan. Hamid and Ahmet were arrested in a south London restaurant in September 2006 with seven other followers. The pair were jailed for terrorism offences last year.

    Adam and about 45 other young men are now being rehabilitated through a training programme run by an education centre attached to Stockwell mosque. Designed and run by Toaha Qureshi, a mosque trustee, the programme’s intensive courses combine religious and social mentoring with sports activities and business training.

    One former would-be suicide bomber has recently set up his own car-washing business with the Stockwell centre’s help.

    “We have another young man who has been with us for almost nine months,” said Qureshi. “He spent time in prison on terrorism charges, but now works here, as well as completing his foundation course in business.

    “We are working here to protect the community by re-engaging these young men into productive activity.”

    In 2003, when Qureshi first complained about extremists “inciting racial and religious hatred” at Stockwell mosque, police took little action. Now the authorities are showing a keen interest in the success of his “detox” programme. Indeed, it is virtually a blueprint for a controversial national rehabilitation scheme called the Channel Project.

    Set up by the Home Office in 2007 with pilot schemes in Lambeth and Lancashire, the project has since been expanded to 11 sites across the UK, and there are plans for a further 15.

    More than 200 people — including two 13-year-olds and some individuals as old as 50 — have been identified as “vulnerable” to radicalisation and offered support via the Channel Project.

    The programme relies on teachers, parents and other community figures to be vigilant for signs indicating an attraction to extremist views.

    Commander Craig Denholm, the police officer responsible for overseeing Channel, denied that it amounted to “spying” on the Muslim community.

    Reflecting on his indoctrination and the prospect of becoming a suicide bomber, Adam admitted last week: “I feel very grateful that I didn’t go down that road. Now I want an office job.”

  312. #312 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2009 - 1:34 PM


    There is no denial that there are a few lunatics fanatics in the UK and in other countries too. But, they are just a few, but like a rotten fish in the pond, they have ruined the whole atmosphere and the image of Muslims have been tarnished by the media, they have played a big role in highlighting them as demons and evils of the society.

    I would blame the politicians for neglecting to implement a good education system in the country (Pakistan) and the uncouth, uncivilized and uneducated masses were exploited for their own benefits. The religious schools were not bad till the outside political elements came in and started using the kids to their advantage by brainwashing and recruiting them and exploiting them they want.

    In order to eliminate extremism you need a pen and not a sword. Everything can be resolved through peaceful means, anger breeds anger, hatred breeds hatred. Therefore, it is important that a mild and systematic approach is needed in dealing with these people by showing love and compassion towards them that Islam is not about extremism, but peace, love, caring and sharing.

    This is not the job of one person or one organization or one government, it is the job of every single sane, educated person to tell these young teenagers like this kid Adam that what they have been told or brainwashed to do is not what Islam teaches you. To cure them, one needs a calm and composed head to “un-brainswash” them.

    One might say it is not an easy task, yes it is not easy but then, there are criminals, serial killers, psychopaths and murderers who are treated, protected and cured and billions of dollars are spent on them in the shape of law enforcement agencies, jails, hospitals and the medical staff and so on. So, the same way there must be a programme to cure such children at an early stage.

  313. #313 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 6:39 PM

    I don’t know if Pervez Musharraf reads Legslip or not, but if you recall a few months ago I said that the difference between politicians and leaders is that one class appeases public opinion whereas the other class changes public opinion.

    Today Musharraf said this in an interview,

    “Real leadership is when you don’t flow with public opinion…….you change public opinion”.

    President saab, you are the only real, brave and patriotic leader the country has ever seen since Quaid e Azam. God bless you.

  314. #314 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 7:38 PM

    Musharraf’s latest interview with CNN:

  315. #315 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    Pakistan Army backing Taliban?

  316. #316 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 7:49 PM

    Great Musharraf:

  317. #317 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 7:51 PM

    Hasan Nisar, journalist praises Musharraf:

  318. #318 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 7:53 PM

    Great Abdul Sattar Edhi speaks in defence of Musharraf:

  319. #319 by khansahab on May 17, 2009 - 10:46 PM

    This current military operation in the NWFP is the most brutal and aggressive operation in the region, much more than what happened in Musharraf’s time. Around a million people have fled.

    Now where are those so called democratic elements that used to say that what Musharraf is doing is undemocratic, so he must resign?

    The Sharif brothers have been unusually quiet about the issue because they know this is not the time to take sides. If they condemn the operation, America will not act favourably towards them and if they support the operation, the public will be upset.

  320. #320 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 18, 2009 - 5:53 AM

    I dunno how many of you have seen James Stewart show on TV in which Pakistan’s ambassador in the US Hussain Haqqani was invited. The guy knows how to speak English and he was trying to crack jokes but he is such a big phony and a puppet of Zardari.

    He was calling Zardari a smart guy for making this move against the Talibans in Swat and he said, first he made agreement with them knowing that they will breach the agreement and when they did, he has launched an offensive against them on the basis of that agreement. I don’t like Taliban but, the way the army is taking action against them is one of the worst actions that the army took after the fall of Dhaka i.e., killing its own people and making more than 1.5 people homeless in their own country.

    I have a feeling that this operation in Swat will have more broader and wider repercussions and it is possible that there may be supporters of Afghan Taliban who might be able to bring this war into other cities and provinces of Pakistan like they brought the Kalashnikov culture in the country. Whatever it is, it seems like a very dangerous move.

    If Musharraf had taken this action they would have condemned him a zillion times, I am referring to the Badmash Brothers, like khansahab has said they are quiet because of two reasons and he is absolutely right. How much more selfish they can be? I still cannot believe how Zardari approved and agreed to send General Kiyani to India after the Mumbai attack and how Nawaz Sharif issued an order to land Gen. Musharraf’s plane in India and arrest him in India?

    Both of them (Mush and Kiyani) at that time were holding the top posts of Pakistan Army and India could have easily taken advantage of the situation by giving them “truth serum” and “uglofying” the top secrets of the country. Only an idiot like Ghaddari and Badmash Sharif can do that to protect their own ass. Mulk kya cheez hai vo apni maa ko bhee baich dain for their own Gaddi.

  321. #321 by Abdul on May 18, 2009 - 4:03 PM


  322. #322 by Abdul on May 18, 2009 - 4:19 PM


  323. #323 by yasir on May 18, 2009 - 4:19 PM

    hi every 1 this is yasir hameed hope u guys are well being

  324. #324 by Mohammed Munir on May 18, 2009 - 5:43 PM

    “hi every 1 this is yasir hameed hope u guys are well being”.

    I agree, this sounds like Yasir Hameed 😆

  325. #325 by khansahab on May 18, 2009 - 8:34 PM

    Younis, Misbah, Gul and Fawad are the fittest players attending the Bhurban camp

    Aqib Javed expressed regret over the result of the ODI series in Dubai. He said that overall the Pakistan team played well enough to have won the series either 4-1 or 3-2 but it was the few pivotal sessions where they were really bad that cost us the series. He said “The third match in particular should’ve gone in our favour because at one point we were 95/1 chasing just under 200 runs, we should never have lost that game”

    On a more positive note he said the players were very upbeat after winning the last two games of the tour and are now confident that they have the capability to beat any team in the world. When asked whether Pakistan struggle to beat Australia due to a lack of self-belief against the World Champions Aqib said “There may have been an element of that in the past but I think the close nature of the games in Dubai has shown that moving forward this Pakistan team will play against Australia with a lot more self-belief”

    Aqib said that the camp in Bhurban had proven to be a very good idea because it isolated the players from other distractions and allowed them to concentrate on improving their fitness and training. He added “We’ve also organised other fitness related activities like hiking to keep them focused and entertained. Quite a few of the players have proven to be very fit but there are 4 that have really stood out. Younis Khan, Misbah Ul Haq, Umar Gul and Fawad Alam are the 4 fittest players in the camp. They set the standard for the others to follow but everyone in the squad has worked really hard”

    I reminded Aqib that during our last interview he said that he had yet to see newcomer Shahzaib Hasan in action, Aqib replied “I still haven’t seen him playing any cricket as of yet but all that will change in a few days when we play the T20 side games. From what I’ve seen of Shahzaib so far he looks strong but I can’t comment on his batting till I see him play”

    Expanding on the T20 warmup games Aqib said “There will be two equally balanced teams selected from the 30 (available) probables announced for the T20 WC. Originally we were going to play 6 games over 3 days but due to the heat in Lahore this would be impractical and we dont want to risk unnecessary injuries so it’s been reduced to 3 games over 3 days. One of the teams will be led by Younis Khan and the other one by Misbah Ul Haq”

    Aqib said that after the warm-up games the players would be playing in the domestic T20 tournament and then flying out to England.

  326. #326 by khansahab on May 18, 2009 - 8:41 PM

    Teams announced for practice matches
    by Pakistan Cricket Board DateLine: 18th May 2009

    Media Release – 18 May 2009

    Pakistan Cricket Board has announced the Patrons XI Team and Chairman XI Team for the Practice Matches on 20, 21 & 22 May, 2009 at Gaddafi Stadium Lahore. Match will start at 7.pm daily.
    Patrons XI:
    1. Salman Butt
    2. Ahmed Shehzad
    3. Younis Khan – Captain
    4. Shoaib Malik
    5. Fawad Alam
    6. Yasir Hameed
    7. Sarfraz Ahmed
    8. Mohammad Aamer
    9. Sohail Tanvir
    10. Yasir Shah
    11. Shoaib Akhtar
    12. Umar Amin
    13. Kamran Younis
    14. Imran Ali

    Chairman XI:
    1. Shahzaib Hasan
    2. Nasir Jamshed
    3. Kamran Akmal
    4. Misbah-ul-Haq – Captain
    5. Shahid Afridi
    6. Mohammad Hafeez
    7. Azhar Ali
    8. Wahab Riaz
    9. Iftikhar Anjum
    10. Saeed Ajmal
    11. Umar Gul
    12. Aizaz Cheema
    13. Zulfiqar Jan

    All players are requested to report Coach Intikhab Alam on 20th May, 2009 at 5.pm at Gadaffi Stadium Lahore.

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