WHERE DOES PAKISTAN CRICKET GO FROM HERE?

The recently concluded ODI series between Pakistan and Australia left fans with mixed reactions. Some of us thought that Pakistan did well to manage 2 victories, whilst others thought that Pakistan had the ability to perform better against a tired and inexperienced Australian side. Whatever the case may be, no strict action was taken against any of the senior players who failed to perform in that series. The main culprits were captain Younis Khan, vice captain Misbah, former captain Shoaib Malik and the most experienced pacer Shoaib Akhtar.

When will the PCB realise that tolerating average performances will destroy Pakistan’s status in international cricket? When will the cricket administrators realise that Pakistan is treading down the path of the West Indies, a team which ruled the cricket scene for two decades but is now considered almost a minnow team? Corruption, politics and negligent management has destroyed cricket in the West Indies and Pakistan is certainly heading down that path.

There is no denying that an indication of a weak cricket board is that player power is rampant and players consider themselves above the board and the country. In the Pakistan team groupings are formed and certain players back other players and create a situation where, “I scratch your back and you scratch mine”. The board could not convince Younis Khan to accept captaincy and as a result a weak and inept captain was selected in Shoaib Malik. The board cannot persuade Malik and Misbah to raise their level of performance against good sides in pressure situations despite both these players being on the top tier of central contracts, earning a sizable amount every month from the PCB. No administration has ever been able to control Shoaib Akhtar and he continues to fool the board, the team and the fans in broad daylight but he is above every being it seems. He is barely capable of bowling 5 overs in a match and yet he is an automatic selection in the team. This is a joke and this can only happen in Pakistan. Nasim Ashraf’s administration tried to put Akhtar in his place but Ashraf became very unpopular with the masses when he tried to curb player power.

A lot of the PCB’s incompetencies result from the social and political problems in Pakistan. There is corruption, ethnic bias, nepotism, dishonesty, mismanagement in the police force, in the armed forces, in the civil service, in government offices, so why should be cricket board be bereft of such evils? The cricket board, after all, is a public organisation and it works in tandem with the sports ministry. How to resolve these types of problems, becomes a political discussion, not a discussion about cricket and we have spoken about these issues many times on this blog.

There is an absence of professionalism in the PCB which filters down to the players on the field when they are playing. On his day Kamran Akmal can score a century against Australia, but in the same series he is very capable of dropping easy catches and playing stupid shots. Consistency has been Pakistan’s biggest problem for over a decade now and the PCB is absolutely clueless. Consistency does not come from the player itself; when a player performs and does something spectacular, that is a sign that this player is capable of doing something amazing and it is up to the team management and the board to ensure the player reaches his potential and performs more often. However, the PCB has not been able to answer the question, “How to nurture a player’s talent so that he becomes consistent?”

Since the PCB is incapable of producing consistency from the players, it should rotate players more often so that seniors are kept on their toes. Pakistan cricket has to come out of this tried and tested mentality that a senior player should not be dropped because it will weaken the team. Why do senior players in Pakistan have so much power and why are they untouchable? Recently I saw a programme where it was revealed that Shoaib Akhtar has sources in the Punjab government, which is why he is never dropped on accounts of unfitness or bad behaviour. So again we come to the point about corruption and favouritism in the Pakistan and how that affects everything, including sport.

Fawad Alam has become a victim of team politics and most people now consider him to be exceptionally tenacious to still have a big heart and still hope for playing for Pakistan. Fawad has been amongst the top domestic batsmen in Pakistan for about 3 years. He has performed in all formats- 4 day, 1 day and T20 and he is amongst the few players in the world who average above 40 in all 3 formats domestically. Whatever limited chances he has benefited from playing at the highest level, he has made a mark but he is still being ignored. He single handedly won a T20 for Pakistan when he hit 3 sixes in 5 balls. He has been involved in brief partnerships with seniors like Malik, Misbah and Yousuf and he has outperformed them, yet he has been ignored. Recently in a practice match against the international Pakistan side he was the best batsman against the bowling of Akhtar, Gul and Tanvir and he was the best bowler too. He is also one of the best fielders in the country.

So in real terms it seems no improvement was detected with Pakistan cricket. There is widespread incompetence, player power and politics that is ruining the sport in the nation. People in Pakistan are becoming fed up of the team’s substandard performances and are turning to other sports like football, baseball and basketball.  In the time of Imran Khan and Miandad, players played with more fire and patriotism but now these current players only play for themselves and for money. As cricket has become more “glamourised” and “commercialised”, perhaps that is not entirely the fault of the players themselves. However, politics and nepotism are definitely evils that should have nothing to do with sport.

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  1. #1 by khansahab on May 18, 2009 - 10:35 PM

    Misbah to play against Younis’s Patrons XI

    Pakistan Cricket Board has announced the Patrons XI Team and Chairman XI Team for the practice matches at Gaddafi Stadium Lahore for the preparation of ICC World Twenty20. Three matches to be played from 20 – 22 May at 07:00 PM local time.

    Patrons XI:
    Salman Butt, Ahmed Shehzad, Younis Khan (captain), Shoaib Malik, Fawad Alam, Yasir Hameed, Sarfraz Ahmed, Muhammad Amir, Sohail Tanveer, Yasir Shah, Shoaib Akhtar, Umer Amin, Kamran Younus, Imran Ali.

    Chairman XI:
    Shahzaib Hassan, Nasir Jamshaid, Kamran Akmal, Misbah-ul-Haq (captain), Shahid Afridi, Muhammad Hafeez, Azhar Ali, Wahab Riaz, Rao Iftikhar, Saeed Ajmal, Umar Gul, Aizaz Cheema, Zulfiqar Jan.

  2. #2 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:42 AM

    I just saw the interview of Dr Huma Mir, a former actress who is also a columnist. She said that the politicians from two largest parties are not helping in affected areas in NWFP. She was very critical of the so called democratic set up in Pakistan. She spoke highly of MQM and said that they are the only party that represents the middle class in Pakistan. She said the feudal system makes Pakistan undemocratic and that MQM is the only party that represents democracy in Pakistan.

    She also said Musharraf was the best leader Pakistan ever produced. She said in his era there was fairness and real democracy in Pakistan. She said Musharraf’s only fault was that he was a benevolent person and did not rule like a dictator.

  3. #3 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 10:12 AM

    Musharraf’s full interview with Fareed Zakaria: he talks about the Army, the Taliban, America, India, and Pakistani politics.

  4. #4 by Mohammed Munir on May 19, 2009 - 11:56 AM

    This is a very well thought and an intellectual piece of write-up on general stature of Pakistan Cricket. All the points raised are commendably analyzed and are of the utmost importance in deciding the future of Cricket in Pakistan. The essayist has correctly pinpointed several of the core issues surrounding the PCB currently.

    It was an absolute treat to read it.

    I agree with almost the entire article and in particular the following points:

    Younis Khan, Misbah, Shoaib Malik and Shoaib Akhter were the major culprits for non-performance in the recently concluded Pak-Australia series in UAE. Although, we can also blame Tanvir Sohail, Iftikhar Anjum and Yassir Arafat to some extent, for their minimal display.

    Player Power has always been one of the key dilemmas for the PCB. If we have to single out, I think the issue of Player Power was never been taken head-on by the PCB and they have always looked for ways around it, which have further strengthen the perpetrators. Some used it openly and aggressive like Imran Khan did, while others prefer to use it in their own meek and submissive style like Inzamam, while still others used it with their ‘meesna-pun’ like Shoaib Malik. If PCB ever sincerely wanted to get rid of this menace, then I think now is the time, because the current team is a good mix of different ethnicities, seniors, juniors, and most importantly we do not have many undisposable stars in our team, so no one should be in a position to dictate terms with PCB.

    Having said that, I think Khansahab has rightly said that Shoaib Akhter continues to fool everybody. Although, Akhter can not afford to show any of his power based on his pathetic performances and below par bowling, but it is utterly unfortunate that even a player who have his best years behind him, can bully PCB so effortlessly.

    In India, BCCI has become all powerful even with their ‘super-star’ as all their players are made to understand that no one is beyond the game, and if the same feeling is conveyed to our players, it will not only strengthen PCB but will also make their life much easier.

    In today’s commercialized cricket set-up, the Cricket Board of a country has become an employer and all the players are employees. Under no circumstances, shall the employee be allowed to overrule the employers.

    I also agree with Khansahab that consistency have really been one of the biggest problem of the Pakistan Cricket, whereas inconsistency is caused due to complacency, and after a few performances each and every of our player becomes complacent. If PCB creates a good bench-strength and a pool of young talent, then the so-called non-performing super-stars shall have a heat up their ‘back’ and they will know that if they did not perform someone will take their place. Having a decent talent pool is a must and this will never allow ‘complacency’ to settle.

    Finally, I will not agree with Khansahab on Pakistani peoples becoming fed up of cricket and turning to any other games. In fact, PCB is considered very fortunate to have a ‘die-hard’ fan following and IMO this is also one of the reasons that PCB itself has become ‘complacent’ as they are now well aware that even after several defeats, if they won just one series, most of their Pakistani fans will ‘forget and forgive’ all their wrongdoings, which to some extent is even true.

  5. #5 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 12:15 PM

    Munir sahab

    Thanks for the comment and I agree with you.

    PCB needs to think hard about whether it needs to go in the direction of BCCI or WICB. Cricket runs in the blood of Pakistanis and you are right that PCB has been able to survive because of this die hard fan following. Fans continue to support this corrupt and incompetent board and these nothing players.

    In West Indies the decline started with batting collapses. If you remember they still had the great pair of Walsh and Ambrose but their ranking was descending because there was a lack of reliable batsman. At the moment in Test cricket Chanderpaul is their only world class player and he will retire within 2 years. There is no one who can take his position.

    So it does not matter if Pakistan has an in form Shoaib Akhtar or Umar Gul, unless the batting has consistency there will be no improvement. At the moment only Younis Khan is a Test calibre world class player in Pakistan.

    The West Indians are not as crazy about cricket as Pakistanis, so they have now turned to basketball. Basketball is very popular in West Indies and slowly but surely Pakistan will go in that direction. I come across many 17-18 year olds from Pakistan who have no interest in cricket and when you talk to them about the Pakistan team they only know of players like Wasim Akram and Inzamam. So the first signs have started showing that cricket is dying in Pakistan.

    As with everything they need good leadership and having Ijaz Butt is not helping. I never said Ijaz Butt has some agenda and he is working to destablise cricket, he probably means well but he does not have the education or energy to run such an important organisation. Only in Pakistan can someone like Butt be appointed to head a cricket board. Butt’s appointment was political and he was definitely not appointed on merit. So if the Chairman is appointed because of nepotism and politics, what does one expect from the selectors and captain who manage the team?

    Our job is to present the reality in the open and now it is upto the administrators to act. What can the ordinary citizen do? We can’t do anything except complain and discuss.

  6. #6 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 12:28 PM

    Also, over time Younis may be able to make a difference but the first signs from him have not been positive. The question is, are things going to be worse before they get better?

    Why can’t PCB do “danda” on these players? We are told this is because the player always tries his best and the player’s confidence and attitude will be affected if the PCB tries “danda” strategy. Shoaib Akhtar is an uneducated lout, whereas Younis Khan is also temperamental. Malik and Misbah just play for themselves and they are not very capable players.

    This is an indication of player power again, because the PCB is too afraid to upset people like Younis and Akhtar. They are too afraid that Younis will abandon captaincy and they are too afraid that Akhtar will become “unavailable” for selection.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2009 - 12:53 PM

    Munir, agreed that the PCB must put their foot down and take control of the captain, players, coach and the team in general. BUT, what do you expect from an organization that is so full of rogues, culprits, vultures and hawks? Do you think with so much corruption and incompetence they can control the team?

    People like WADEE BUTT, is busy in looting the coffers of the PCB by hiring his own relatives at high salary in the PCB, so far he has 4 of them inside. And, he is traveling first class, staying in 5 star hotels all the time and making big time money in TA / DA besides his big fat salary. I can assure you that in his entire life he may not have traveled so much as he did in the past few months i.e., since he is the PCB Chairman. Is there any need for him to travel so much?

    There are no checks and balances on him because the President Ghaddari is also doing the same, there are problems within the country that needs to be addressed, and he is secretly traveling all over the world and what for? He hardly talks to his own people and listen to their problems. There is so much happening in Swat and he is in Elysee Palace, 10 Downing Street, Shaikh Kalifa Palace, Shaikh Mohammad Palace, in short he is everywhere where he is not supposed to be, and he is busy projecting his son by introducing him to President Obama, why? The MI5 provides more protection to Bilawal than they provide to Prince William and Prince Harry, why?

    I have digressed from the subject, but the root cause of all these problems is jub, AanWaan ka AanWaan ya Tubbar ka Tubbar he terha hai, tou theek kon keray ga? When there is good leadership at the top, the leader takes care of the organization or the country and runs it smoothly. Get rid of Butt and his relatives and his supporters like, Saleem Altaf Khoosat and others like Intekhab Alam and make Javed Miandad the Chairman of the PCB he is at least he is honest, sincere and devoted to the game and not only that he has a big passion for cricket and there is no one more committed and willing than he is.

    As for Imran Khan the job of Chairman PCB is a very petty job, he is only dreaming of achieving the highest post in Pakistan and wants to lead the nation, this will only be his dream. He is competent than others, but his approach is wrong and at times he speaks nonsense. Wasim is biased, Waqar is incompetent for that post and Wasim Akram is the most corrupt person among the players so far.

  8. #8 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 1:21 PM

    LOL I came across this and want to share this with all, one more time. What a disgrace for the nation! No matter how beautiful or sexy someone is, a political leader can NEVER say this on camera. Zardari is Choo**ya:

  9. #9 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 3:41 PM

    Abdul

    And Kaleem is the umpire 🙂

  10. #10 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 4:02 PM

    Why did you make Awas the 12th man Abdul? He is a key player. In fact I recommend him for captaincy- tactical, diplomatic, wise and will keep diverse ethnicities unified 🙂

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2009 - 4:18 PM

    LOL, Abdul wants me to be a wicketkeeper and Kaleem will be his back stopper. Does anyone believe that a one liner from Yasir Hameed (may be he is a fake one) will make this blog rock n roll ? Only Abdul can do that.

  12. #12 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2009 - 4:27 PM

    And LOL again for the thought i.e., when Abdul will come to bat there will be chaos, ‘coz everyone would like to be the wicketkeeper then. Officially he has chosen me as the wicketkeeper but, Kaleem, Theossa and even Munir would like to be the wicketkeeper and perhaps they will end up fighting. Awas might have to toss the coin twice to settle the dispute. 😀

  13. #13 by Awas on May 19, 2009 - 4:45 PM

    Its ok I don’t mind being a water-boy. If this position is good for Fawad Alam, it’s good for me. 🙂

    And where is the coach?

  14. #14 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    Abdul

    I am shocked at this strategy of yours to make a player like Awas 12th man?

    Why are you playing politics in the team? You don’t like players from Lahore? 🙂

    I think you should give up your place for Awas and you should become coach to teach us how to bowl googlies and flippers.

  15. #15 by Aamir Iqbal on May 19, 2009 - 6:26 PM

    Very funny indeed Khansahab but I’m persuming Awas is unavailable due to working commitments.
    But what about my decision to appoint Theo as captain ? I think he has the encouragement, tactics and motivation to take us the distance. DRC and Sweetie will be the cheerleaders.

  16. #16 by Aamir Iqbal on May 19, 2009 - 6:29 PM

    ” You don’t like players from Lahore? ”

    If I’m from Lahore why will I discriminate my own ?

  17. #17 by Aamir Iqbal on May 19, 2009 - 6:59 PM

    🙂

  18. #18 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 7:15 PM

    Abdul

    If I’m from Lahore why will I discriminate my own ?”

    That is exactly what I wanted you to say 🙂

  19. #19 by Awas on May 19, 2009 - 8:10 PM

    If I’m from Lahore why will I discriminate my own?”

    Charity begins at home…is so true 🙂

    By the way, I’m a Londoner too…so do I get more preference? If so, make me a Treasuerar…I’ll double the money at the bookies 😀

    Abdul, your choice for captain shows who is the most talented here. There is no doubt Theossa will go on all out attack with all guns blazing.

  20. #20 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 8:28 PM

    Abdul

    You did well for remembering that Javed A Khan was an opener and that I was a fast bowler (more like medium pacer, but I was good :)]

    Is your Yasir Hameed real by the way? If he is then I am also hope for his well being!

  21. #21 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 8:38 PM

    LOL Omer

    I don’t agree with his team which is why I have created my own. I really think the team needed a spin coach, manager and team masseur.

  22. #22 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 8:44 PM

    Who should the captain be? Kasim sahab for seniority, Javed Khan for aggression, Awas for diplomacy, Theossa for dynamism, Omer for democracy or Khansahab for wicket taking ability?

    🙂

  23. #23 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:08 PM

    Omer

    In the Pakistan team what is needed most is to do danda to players. So actually a dictator will do 🙂

    I think Javed A Khan is my captain…….. 🙂

  24. #24 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:16 PM

    Omer

    I hope your meritocracy ideal is seen in the Pakistan team because it is neither present in the team nor anywhere in the country. Hence the need for danda.

  25. #25 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:24 PM

    Omer

    Society features subjects with varying levels of enlightenment. It is the duty of every enlightened being to contribute towards the enlightenment of others. Sometimes children don’t listen because they are stupid or immature. Parents do danda. And when children grow up they realise parents were right and their parents are considered as heroes.

  26. #26 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:25 PM

    Omer

    Zinda hai Musharraf asli mai zinda hai….

  27. #27 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:36 PM

    Omer

    What you are saying cannot be understood by 90% of Pakistan’s population so it becomes irrelevant because they will only vote for the local Choudhary who will win elections in the same seat and do his best to make sure the arguments you are advancing cannot be understood by the paindoos around him. When this Choudhary dies his son or uncle will win in his seat and they will rape women, abuse human rights, enforce their will and do danda and be worse than any dictator. They are democratic leaders but their reality is far from democratic.

    80% of Pakistan’s population is rural and what I have described there happens in 75% of those 80% rural villages. So there in one brief paragraph I present to you democracy in Pakastan.

    JIYE PERVEZ MUSHARRAF

  28. #28 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:40 PM

    Omer

    BC Zardari ya Nawaz apnay aap ko state key logon sey zaada barra nahi samajthey? Unho ney toh mulk ko loota bhi hai and democracy keh naam par ghareeb aur miskeen ka haqq khaya hai aur beywaqoof banaya hai.

    Kiya alternatives hain Pakastan key logon key paas? Zardari, Nawaz ya phir someone like Musharraf?

  29. #29 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:42 PM

    Omer

    Why can’t the parent-children analogy be applied here? Was Quaid e Azam not Father of the Nation? Was Gandhi not Baapu? Is Musharraf not Father of Modern Pakistan?

    MULK BACHAO, MUSHARRAF KO LAAO

  30. #30 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 9:57 PM

    Omer

    The system was given a chance after Partition. It failed. This is not to say military dictatorship succeeded necessarily. However, the 2 most prosperous times in the history of the nation where under Ayub Khan and then Pervez Musharraf. Under Ayub Pakistan’s manufacturing sector expanded and Pakistan’s defence foces became strong. Under Musharraf the finance and banking sector was expanded and there was unprecedented development throughout the nation.

    Conversely, “democracy” ruined Pakistan’s economy first during Zulfiqar Bhutto’s time who had to join forces with corrupt wadereys from interior Sindh and corrupt Choudhary’s from Punjab and in fact it is through this network of corruption and feudalism that PPP gained support in Punjab and became a formidable party. Then his daughter looted the public exchequer and transferred money in her Swiss accounts, and then Mian Saab came and made the country bankrupt, so much so that he had to beg ordinary citizens to contribute. He did it shamelessly.

  31. #31 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 10:03 PM

    Omer

    Yaar Nawaz ney Pakastan ka kya haal kiya tha aur abb duss saal baad woh qom sey “Jaag Punjabi jaag” kehta hai aur abb mulk ka most popular leader hai. Uss ney toh yeh bhi aaelaan kar diya keh, “I don’t need American support to become PM”. Awaam uss key saath hogi bhai woh kuch bhi kerlay.

    Pehlay Pakastan ko samaj lo aur Pakastaneeon key dimaagh ko samaj lo bhai, Musharraf sahi aadmi hi mulk key liye.

  32. #32 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 10:32 PM

    Omer

    India has neither the ethnic problems Pakistan faces (no absolute majority for one ethnicity), no problem of militant religious extremism (or let us say their religious extremism is more political whereas ours is more militant), and it is not a Muslim country, which makes it very different to Pakistan.

    The reason why India has fared better is not because of lack of military intervention in politics, but because it did not have ethnic problems, feudalism, and religious fanaticism that Pakistan does.

    After Partition within 2 decades most of the feudals in India had abandoned control of their lands or were merely performing a traditional role disassociated with local politics.

    In India the feudals and aristrocrats transferred power to the middle class staightaway after Partition. Which leader has represented the middle class in Pakistan to date? Only Musharraf and 1 or 2 more military dictators.

    It is not the presence of military dictatorship that has failed to blossom democracy in Pakistan, it is the fact that middle class has no power in Pakistan that has prevented democracy from flourishing. Until recently Karachi was the centre of Pakistan’s “middle class”, however you know how these middle class people have been treated by their fellow countrymen. The very fact they represent the middle class makes the majority of Pakistanis hate them because they are so different and because they are “outsiders”. That is because outside Karachi and Lahore and some localities in some cities, you still have only the feudals and the villagers.

    The reason why Indian Army never intervened in politics is because the country was always run with more fairness, disclipine and less corruption than across the border. In Pakistan there is a world of a difference between the Army and how politics and governance works. The Army has discipline, professionalism, accountability and some sense of meritocracy. Outside the Army everything works with corruption, ethnic bias, unprofessionalism etc.

    In Pakistan, when the “middle class” was represented strongly in civil service, public sector, administration, the capital was shifted to Islamabad. After that in 60s and 70s quotas were introduced to restrict this “middle class” who were more educated and competent than the rural and feudal classes. Not only did it happen in government and administration, it also happened in the showbiz sector and you saw what happened. The standard of movies went down. In the olden days Pakistani movies, poetry, music was at par with India but then India went too ahead and Pakistan went back.

    So now we are crying because whereas India gave power to the middle class, at the same time we took power away from our middle class who then went on to form the Mohajir Qaumi Movement.

    Jaisa karo gey, waisa bharo gey.

  33. #33 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 10:49 PM

    Omer

    In theory yes but in practice, no. This talk about religion creating unity is crap. What religion? The Deobandi one or the Berelvi one? And what unity? Why did the Bengalis demand Partition from West Pakistanis? How important was religion then?

    Why does Baluchistan Liberation Army demand indepedence, why was Bacha Khan against Partition and why did Muhajirs demand Jinnahpur? After Benazir’s murder why did Sindhis demand to be separated from Punjab?

    There is an absolute religious majority in India. Absolute majority means, more than 50%. And Hindus are 80%. I am sorry if I don’t understand this view? Please elaborate.

    Whatever you can say in theory, in practice this name India, whatever it means, has united a billion people and Islam in Pakistan barely unites half the country because provinces don’t want Punjabi domination. Now whether that is because of dividing provinces or whatever, this idea was propagated by the middle class in Pakistan but again they received hatred in return.

    It is ethnicity that destroyed Pakistan when it was still a relatively prosperous nation in 60s. Ethnicity destroyed Pakistan’s chances of building a middle class back then when it really mattered. That is why Pakistan needs a leader who considers Pakistan first and not Punjab first or Karachi first.

  34. #34 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 11:10 PM

    Omer

    Unsound governance can be a euphemism for many things. I think the ostracism of Baluchis is more to do with “unsound governance” in the sense of, negligent handling of their interests. I don’t think Muhajirs have been ostracised for the same reason however.

    With Bengalis, it was a mixture of ethnic differences and unsound governance. Bengalis were more educated, secular and more like Muhajirs in their mannerism, whereas West Pakastanees were more paindoo. Unsound governance can be caused by ethnic differences and ethnic hatred whereas ethnic hatred can also be caused by unsound or careless governance. I think it is more of a “chicken or the egg” question.

    With Bengalis the unsound governance aspect game from Bhutto who simply did not follow the democratic way and compromise with them despite their natural majority. What the Pakistan Army, in particular the Jatt and Rajput divisions did however, was not unsound governance but ethnic divisions or ethnic hatred. If you see a relatively taller or relatively fairer skinned Bengali today anywhere, there is a chance he may be an illegitimate offspring of a Pakistani retired soldier.

  35. #35 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 11:26 PM

    Omer

    I understand your point and honestly I had already predicted you would say this in your reply. I don’t have a problem being ruled by Punjabis as long as I am ruled intelligently and fairly. Kayani is a Punjabi but he is more learned and more decent than most civilian politians and for this reason I would prefer to be governed by him.

    This is a neverending debate really, you can see how deep and intense these debates are. That is why governance is so difficult.

    You are right the Army was the mover and shaker in Bangladesh. But the Army has also given us Musharraf, Ayub Khan and Kayani.

    I don’t know that much about Bhutto. My father told me he was a nationalist, but I don’t see what good he did for Pakistan by creating a controversial Constitution (many say on gunpoint), messing up the situation in Bangaldesh (Koi East Pakistan gaya toh mai uss ki taangen tor doonga), and expanding feudalism and corruption into Sindh and Punjab in the name of PPP.

    Bhutto is considered by most Pakistanis as the greatest democratic leader. What a joke! Does a democratic leader ever say that “koi falana udhar gaya toh mai uss ki taangey tor doon ga”. I think only Hitler could have said something like that. Bhutto was a feudal at heart, a corrupt and immoral person. This is feudal talk, “Break his legs”. In Pakistan that is also democratic talk, because feudalism is Pakistan’s democracy unfortunately.

  36. #36 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 11:31 PM

    Omer

    Army has more discipline than civilians, so whatever it can give us will be better. Army did give us Musharraf did it not? When Musharraf was CAOS, the heads of Navy and Air Force were also Muhajir.

    Plus, Ayub Khan was a Pathan or Hindko, but not a Punjabi and Yahya Khan was Pathan too. There have been more.

    About Army taking money, again if it did, I never said they are invincible. But they still loot less than PPP and PML N.

  37. #37 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 11:36 PM

    Omer

    Judge not lest ye be judged 🙂

    End of debate for me, I am going to sleep now.

    Zinda hai Musharraf asli mai Zinda hai……

  38. #38 by khansahab on May 19, 2009 - 11:45 PM

    LOL Omer

    American congressmen recently stated that they are afraid of “Mr 10 percents” looting American aid if aid is given. They trust the Army more. America is a very shrewd player and would not give aid like this to the Army if a large chunk was being taken by the Army.

    It is very strange that you say Army steals so and so and yet no Army wala is in the top 100 richest Pakistanis, but many civilian politicians are. Zardari at no 2 and Nawaz at no 4….

    So I think the only one under an illusion is you. You think Pakistan should follow the American political system and yet you don’t even know the ground reality of ethnic problems, feudalism etc that can never make Pakistan a democratic country unless an enlightened moderate middle class person uses the danda.

    I have never said in absolute terms that the Army is totally free of all evils. But it is less corrupt definitely. At least the senior Army officers are educated, look at our senior politicians, only a handful of them can speak English.

  39. #39 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 12:18 AM

    Omer

    I don’t observe from watching movies or fairy tales, I read newspapers and blogs. Mai filmon ki duniya mai nahi rehta dost 🙂

    I’m just pulling your leg, I know what you mean.

    I can very easily say to you too that you don’t know what you are talking about. You often try and say this to me and I just ignore it because this argument that, “You think you are the only knowledgable person” is trivial and very petty. And I never claimed to be the only enlightened person, I don’t know why you are accusing me of some kind of pride or vanity? I am generally considered by others to be a down to earth and humble person.

    I am not imposing my view on anyone, we are here to discuss. I don’t know why you get so heated up man? Let us be like friends and have a relaxed discussion, what is the point of using sentences like, “You don’t understand you are not the only enlightened person….?”

    If I don’t agree with you or vice versa, it doesn’t make anyone wrong or right, smart or dumb.

  40. #40 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 7:32 AM

    Omer

    If I have ever detracted from any point it is because I don’t want a civilised discussion to turn into a petty or immature fight. I have done this with you a few times before, if you once recall we were discussing about the French revolution or something and I just abandoned the argument because there is no point fighting like kids if we can’t change the other’s opinion, and also because you appear to get very heated up and incensed.

    Army is Punjabi dominated and so is the civil bureaucracy in Islamabad and to me it is very obvious that greater discipline and professionalism in the Army than in civil society (which is so very evident) leads to fairer and more competent governance. If the Army was also run as poorly as the civil society, then I am sure India would have treated Pakistan with much less dignity. The only reason India can’t dare to be very heavy handed against Pakistan is because it is aware of the might of Pakistan Army. Now you may say that American influence in Pakistan’s Army has made it more competent, but for whatever reason Army is a different world to civil society.

    About the civilians who can think better than you and me and you can write well, I am not denying their existence. But if you have been following our discussion about Musharraf you should have noticed how many journalists, members of the public and how some politicians themselves are pro Musharraf. I have said before that the middle class heralds democracy in any society, and Musharraf is the President of Pakistan’s middle class. He is very popular amongst intellectuals and poets, the type of people who can think better than you and me. He is also quite popular with the youth, in fact a group has been formed which might become his party if he decides to join politics and 90% of people in that group are university graduates, a lot of them settled outside Pakistan.

  41. #41 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 7:41 AM

    There is nothing with the Polish girl, I just went to the takeaway twice and saw her. I do fancy her, but I have a problem with dating a takeaway worker. It is some kind of psychological barrier. Also, at the moment I am not prepared to get involved in a physical relationship.

  42. #42 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 7:51 AM

    Faisal Iqbal ‘heart-broken’ after being axed

    Osman Samiuddin

    May 20, 2009

    Faisal Iqbal says he is “heartbroken” after being overlooked for a series of three practice Twenty20 matches in Lahore starting from Wednesday.

    The board named two teams for the warm-up games designed to help Pakistan’s 15-man squad to prepare for next month’s World Twenty20 in England. Though he was part of the 30 probables named initially for the squad, Iqbal was dropped and then wasn’t picked for the practice games. And he says he doesn’t understand why he is being typecast as a Test player only.

    “We are centrally contracted players so I can’t say too much obviously, but I don’t understand what’s happening with me,” Iqbal told Cricinfo. “I’m not criticising anyone but I’m really hurt by this. I thought, fine if I don’t make the World Cup squad, at least I can prove myself in the practice matches but I haven’t even been picked for that. I believe that being part of the preliminary squad for the Twenty20 World Cup, I deserve a chance to at least play the practice matches.”

    Though Iqbal averages nearly 40 in domestic limited-overs matches, he has become – much to his own frustration – a Test specialist to a succession of selection committees. He played the last of his 18 ODIs against West Indies in December 2006 even as Pakistan’s ODI batting has often suffered since then after the exits of Inzamam-ul-Haq and Mohammad Yousuf; he has yet to play a Twenty20 international. In contrast, he has been a regular in the Test set-up since January 2007.

    “I’m performing in Tests because I am getting a chance to play them,” he said. “If you don’t give a guy a chance in another format how will you know how good he is or not? Anyway I feel totally comfortable in any format. Twenty20 cricket is in my veins anyway because that is what we grow up playing in Karachi’s streets, these 5-10 over, or 20-over matches. I am confused – how do I prove myself to them?”

    Barring exceptional circumstances, Iqbal will not be playing in the World Twenty20 in June, but he will have a chance to show selectors what they might be missing in the RBS Twenty20 Cup, due to start on May 25. “I was looking through some old stuff recently and found an old ODI green shirt of mine. It just made me wonder when I’ll be wearing it again. I am heartbroken about it.”

  43. #43 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 7:58 AM

    The journalist Christopher Martin-Jenkins has compiled a list of 100 greatest cricketers. The list can be seen on:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article6307539.ece

    The list features plenty of Australian and English cricketers and I am sure Asians will find it very biased, perhaps with good reason too. For example, he has put Adam Gilchrist at no 10, who was probably not even in the top 5 batsmen of his era, and he has put Wasim Akram at no 34. He has put Graham Gooch at 44 and Dravid at 74.

  44. #44 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 8:04 AM

    Omer

    This is what happens when an educated and intelligent politician or leader makes a statement. Musharraf on his recent tour to USA complained about America’s inconsistent policies in Pakistan for over 2 decades and how that has hurt Pakistan. Today this is what Hilary Clinton said:

    US wronged Pakistan for 30 years, admits Hillary

    WASHINGTON, May 19: The US secretary of state acknowledged on Tuesday that Washington had not been consistent in its dealings with Islamabad.

    Talking to reporters at the Foreign Press Centre and the White House, Hillary Clinton said ‘it is fair to say that our policy towards Pakistan over the last 30 years has been incoherent. I don’t know any other word’.

    About the military operation, Hillary Clinton said the United States was working with Pakistan to determine and disrupt the route for supplying weapons to the Taliban.

    ‘Yes, we know that the extremists are being supplied,’ she said when asked why the US was unable to determine and disrupt the Taliban supply route.

    The secretary recalled that in the 1980s, the US partnered with Pakistan to help train the Mujahideen.

    ‘Their security service and the military were encouraged to go after the Soviets in Afghanistan’ and when they withdrew in 1989, ‘we said thank you very much’.

    Mrs Clinton said while it was fair to apportion responsibility to Pakistan, but the US also shared the responsibility for what happened during and after the Afghan war.

    ‘What President Obama is doing is qualitatively different from anything done before. We support the elected government … it is a relationship very clear, honest to each other.’

    The US, the secretary added, was assisting the new government in Islamabad to be ‘as successful as possible in delivering, we believe the future of Pakistan is extremely important for the US … the advance of extremism is a threat to our security’.

    She underscored America’s ‘very strong’ support for the effort by the Pakistan army for defeating the terrorists.

    Mrs Clinton said the Al Qaeda and their allies were intent upon harming not only US friends and allies in Pakistan and Afghanistan but also in the US homeland and to American citizens.

    ‘They have not given up on their desire to inflict damage, harm and murder on the USA … this is how we see helping our friends and allies … we have walked away in the past … now we are going to forge a partnership with the government and the people of Pakistan.’

    ‘We are working very closely with the intelligence service of Pakistan and others to determine where are the weapons coming from. We are working with Pakistan to disrupt the supply line.’

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2009 - 8:06 AM

    at the moment I am not prepared to get involved in a physical relationship khansahab

    khansahab:

    When someone says, its hard for me to remember, there is an expression in Urdu: “Badam Khao”

    To prepare you to get physical, the expression is: “Salajeet Khao.” 😀

    If you don’t know from where to get it? Ask Sheikhupura’s McGrath, ASAF.

  46. #46 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 9:23 AM

    Javed A Khan/Munir sahab

    I am not doubting the credibility of Omer’s proposals, only that they can work in a country like America or even India but not in Pakistan. Also, I never said the Army is free of all evils. They are corrupt but less than civilians. That is because there is more discipline and accountability in the Army.

    I think people sometimes understand when I talk about degrees and people talk in absolute terms. I don’t say Musharraf is perfect or Army is perfect. I am only saying, “who is better”.

    Also, practically speaking opposing Musharraf is like supporting Nawaz Sharif and Zardari. That is because, if Musharraf can not govern, who should govern? They are the alternatives. And they are really bad alternatives. Maybe if Imran Khan had been PM or ANP or MQM would be in central government and would have been more competent, I would not obviously support Musharraf like this.

  47. #47 by Mohammed Munir on May 20, 2009 - 9:40 AM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ Badaam and Salajeet.

    You wrote, “I woke up for a late midnight snack and responded to a couple of your comments, but I am going to go back and sleep in a while”.

    I hope you are not writing in your sleep 😆

    BTW, what was that ‘midnight snack’ if I may ask ?

    Hope it wasn’t Nihari, Paratha, and a big bowl of heavily Caramelized Fruit Ice Crème 😉

    Allah Naseeb Karay, Maashallah 😛

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2009 - 9:41 AM

    khansahab, your point is taken. Among all the Army Generals, Zia ul Haq was not only corrupt but very destructive for Pakistan. Yahya Khan was also destructive but, he was an idiot. Other than these two (I have no clue about Iskander Mirza) Ayub Khan and Musharraf, and the later in particular has done a lot of good work for the country.

    Among the civilians ALL MF’s are crooks and have looted the country and destroyed it.

    On top of the list is Zardari (Benazir is equally responsible, because he was taking 10% while she was in power and he made his billions during her time, how can she turn a blind eye?)

    Nawaz Sharif and his brother are crooks and they still want to come into power by hook or by crook and they are playing the regionalism and jingoism card to get their votes.

    ZA Bhutto, the less we talk about the damage he did to the country, the better it is.

    MQM and ANP; they are regional parties and they have not come into power at the national level. I don’t know much about ANP’s achievements in the NWFP but MQM have reportedly done a good job for Karachi. I am not giving any credit to Altaf Hussain since he has no loyalties for the country and enjoying a luxurious life in the UK, shame on him. But, other MQM members who are working for the country deserve the due for the good work.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2009 - 9:51 AM

    Munir Vo sub tou theek hai but, I couldn’t go back to sleep, I was working on some projects on my computer and now its kinda late to sleep again, its almost 6:00 a.m. May be after breakfast I will.

    I am a “Cereal Killer” I wake up at night and eat corn flakes but, not in the regular milk, only for corn flakes I open a can of evaporated milk (Carnation) and add a few spoons of sugar and top it up with French Vanilla ice cream. Sweetie doesn’t read cricket page, otherwise she would have fainted on reading the details of my midnight snacks. 😀

    Paratha and omelet is only for breakfast but, no Nihari because this winter we already had too many Nihari parties and now its good weather so its BBQ time. Already this season we had about 5 BBQ parties under the maple tree. Btw, Bihari and Nihari goes well, like Daily Rest @ strand cinema. But, Sharjah wali Delhi Rest. makes the best nihari but, mine is better. 😀

  50. #50 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 9:55 AM

    Javed A Khan

    The moment Altaf Hussain steps on Pakistani soil, he will be killed. There is absolutely no doubt about it. He is the most hated politician in Pakistan.

    About him spending a luxurious life in the UK, I agree.

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2009 - 10:04 AM

    khansahab, I dunno who will kill him and why would they kill him? And, is he worth to be killed? Like Benazir got killed, she became a martyr and we are sick of seeing her photograph everywhere. If this pathetic guy gets killed, he will also be considered as a martyr by his supporters. So, I think Pakistanis would be better off if he stays outside Pakistan and die a natural death that way he will be remembered as a coward who fled the country and not a leader.

    The other day you have posted a video link of Zardari trying to ((((((((((((((((HUG))))))))))))))))) Sarah Palin. You forgot to mention that bastard was mourning his wife’s death a day before this incident i.e., when he was giving a speech in the UN and kept his wife’s picture in front of him facing the audience and more than one third of the time of his speech he talked about her. And, someone commented, is he here as President of Pakistan or as a mourning husband?

  52. #52 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 10:30 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Why will they kill him? There must be hundreds of reasons. Who will kill him- anyone from intelligence services, Taliban, PPP, PML N, Haq Parast Haqeeqi or ANP.

    I think he will be considered a hero anyway, whether he dies a natural death or not.

    I don’t think he will be considered a coward, although fleeing on asylum I suppose is cowardly. He rose against the establishment at that time when the whole country was opposed to his people and their views.

    I have no respect or admiration for him, but what he did required guts, and whether we like him or not, he gave a voice to Urdu Speakers. They needed a voice in politics, now how they got this voice is not a pleasant story to tell, but the end result has been good.

  53. #53 by Mohammed Munir on May 20, 2009 - 11:13 AM

    I haven’t been lucky enough to have tasted your Nihari, but you sure are right that the best Nihari is Sharjah at least, is the one from ‘Delhi Nihari’ near the Al-Zahra Hospital.

    The owners of Delhi Nihari Restaurant are from Karachi, and since Nihari is more of a Karachi dish, I guess other restaurants like (Pak-Ghazi, Sarhad, Sindh-Punjab, Daily, etc.) which are mainly from Punjab, NWFP and etc. are not specialised in Nihari business 😉

    PS: I liked your midnight snack of corn flakes with milk and ice cream. You have a habit of turning any ordinary food into a speciality and “Extra-Ordinary” before eating 😛

  54. #54 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 11:59 AM

    “Javed” ki nihari in Karachi is the best Nihari I’ve had in my life…

    I don’t know why people in Karachi are so greedy. They eat like savages. I remember observing the greediness and lack of manners they had, sitting in places like Javed ki Nihari or Silver Spoon.

  55. #55 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 12:05 PM

    Lesbian scandal in Pakistan cricket:

  56. #56 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 12:15 PM

    Irfan Pathan is not jealous of Yusuf Pathan:

  57. #57 by Aamir Iqbal on May 20, 2009 - 4:47 PM

    Khansahab : That was Yasir Hameed he ( Usman Qadir) has got all of the players email adresses on his father’s computer. But he recommended Yasir because he is his a close friend of Usman as is his batting coach Tanveer. He only allows me to have only 2 players details otherwise if his father finds out I and he will be in deep trouble.

    I actually requested yasir Hameed to call Javed a “Paindoo” on the VTALK page but he refused and said nahi via email. He said I’m NOT going to comment this is a very bad thing to say to a muslim brother.

    Finally I was begging and said even 1 line. Than he negotiated . He said whose sites that ? I replied “your no 1 fan Khansahab” so he would comment with pleasusure ……..

    Today he said ye Khansahab kohn hai . Is kipas koi nam sham be hai ???????? LOL EVERYONE

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2009 - 5:00 PM

    Abdul do you like a Paindoo to stand behind you or a Pathan as a wicketkeeper? BOY, whatever makes you happy boy, “I am agree” In either case you are LOLLING and “giggling” and that is what matter most.

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2009 - 5:09 PM

    Today he said ye Khansahab kohn hai . Is kipas koi nam sham be hai ???????? Abdul

    Iskipas nahee………………… iska koi naam bhi hai?
    What is your Amma ki zubaan, I mean mother tongue?
    Na English Sahee, na Urdu sahee,
    Tay fir tu Punjabi hai? Or, simply Paindoo?

  60. #60 by Aamir Iqbal on May 20, 2009 - 5:14 PM

    English all the way Javed …. 🙂

  61. #61 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 6:03 PM

    Abdul

    Being English means that you are white and your roots lie in England. So are you English?

    And the site is not mine only, the site is of Javed A Khan and Awas’s also.

  62. #62 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 6:13 PM

    3 Uzbek militants held while sneaking into Swat

    KHAR: Three Uzbek militants were apprehended during a search operation by security forces in Bajaur tribal region on Wednesday.

    According to the Bajaur Scouts, a tip off was received that some foreign militants had crossed into the tribal agency from the Afghan border and were planning to sneak into the Swat and Dir districts. The forces tightened security and sealed all entry and exit points to the tribal region.

    The security forces erected barricades and during a search of vehicles arrested three foreign nationals at Yusufabad area, some three kilometers from headquarter Khar.

    All the three detainees belonged to Uzbekistan and were stated to be key Taliban commanders, officials said, adding: They were going to troubled Swat valley to join Taliban fighting against security forces. The forces also seized sensitive equipment from their possession. The suspected persons were shifted to undisclosed location for interrogation.

    Meanwhile, unidentified miscreants planted and detonated an explosive device near the main gate of the residence of a local, Yusuf Khan. As a result, the boundary wall of the house was completely destroyed. However, no casualty was reported. No group has claimed responsibility for the incident.

  63. #63 by khansahab on May 20, 2009 - 7:37 PM

    Omer

    The polls in Pakistan suggest that Zardari has an approval rating of 19%, which is lower than any approval rating Musharraf had. This is a statistic from ARY digital and I hope ARY is a credible enough source for your royal standards.

    Again, the question is “who is better” and the answer is that Musharraf as a dictator is better than Zardari and Nawaz as “democratically” elected leaders. It is a sham democracy and laughable democracy. It is “paindoo democracy”.

    Yes Kayani is a smart person, but I don’t know how much you have read about Kayani? Kayani’s inspiration is Musharraf and his role model is Musharraf, this is what he said when he was made COAS. So he is a smart man indeed. But if he is letting PPP and PML N run the show, then his decisions will turn out to be very stupid and you will see, all the good work Musharraf did in 9 years will be undone by these two parties in 2 years.

    I don’t know what conspiracy theory writer you refer to. I have pasted articles from many journalists across the board, from Jang, to Dawn, to regional newspapers. The interview of the columnist Huma Mir to which I alluded to earlier, is from ARY Digital. The interview of Hasan Nisar in the previous thread is from News One, the news channel. Musharraf does not have support amongst the paindoos, but he has lots of support from intellectuals. Now it is your wish which group you would like to join?

    Your latter paragraph looks like dogmatic mumbo jumbo to me, because you have just elicited a make-believe account of my education and my critical thinking and research skills. And Omer, without sounding as dogmatic, condescending and belittling as yourself, I would suggest you not advise me about what lawyers do and how they should behave. It is the height of dogmatism that you are undermining my 4 years of legal education like this.

  64. #64 by Awas on May 20, 2009 - 9:47 PM

    Omer & khansahab

    Dheeraj bhaio…dheeraj. Ceasefire!

    Lol @ your skirmishes. Let’s call it a truce. You both have come out with some weighty arguments but let’s not get personal or take matters personally.

    There is no doubt Mush was the best of the lot of “rulers” that we have had…a democratic dictator.

    I guess no one wants army rule. Omer has a lot of weight in his argument that we do need to give democracy a chance to flourish and that has never happened consistently in Pakistan. At the same time as I once said Zimbabwe too is a so called democracy under Mugabe but if that is the type of democracy on offer then I would rather have dictatorship anytime. Equally, India is hailed as the world’s biggest democracy but when you see the level of corruption that exits there it does appear to be a sham democracy. On the other hand, however, I would rather have that kind of democracy than a dictatorship.

    So, it’s all relative when you talk about democracy and dictatorship.

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2009 - 12:43 AM

    The so-called “Democracy” of the West can never be implemented in Pakistan, unless there is 100% education and people have abolished the feudal system, the Jagirdari Nizam and the eliminated the Wadheras and Chaudharys and formulate a new constitution based on the country’s needs.

    Awas mentioned about Zimbabwe and India’s corruption as examples. Look at Cuba, well it is tiny but still the so-called dictator has lead the country very well. Look at the Sheikdoms of KSA and all other GCC countries, they are fine without a parliamentary system. Read the history of Muslims, they always had taken a “baytt,” placed their trust in one person and that is how it works, choose the leader and follow him. There were no civilian leaders or politicians and no military junta, just a leader and follow the leader. Musharraf was the leader who came in to rescue the country from chaos, because Nawaz Sharif was doing the same like Zardari is doing now, taking the country to the dogs. Zardari is not a leader he came from the backdoor and we call this a democracy? What a load of cow manure. And, those civilians who are elected are worst and more corrupt than the so-called military dictators.

    And, why should the Muslims follow the ancient and obsolete Greek- Roman democratic system? Which is thousands of years old it is obsolete and, adapted by the British who gave it to the sub-continent in legacy which has many fundamental flaws and yet the people of Pakistan follow it more religiously than the Holy Book. Those are man made laws and are changed as and when they want. In the USA after 911 they changed the laws to suit their requirements and same is the case in the UK.

    Kuwwa Challa Hans ki Chaal………. wali baat hai, they are Aadhay Teetar, Aadhay Batair, na idher kay na udher kay! Therefore, it is important for the educated people of Pakistan (NOT THE CORRUPT PAINDOO CHAUDHARY) to make a new constitution that suits Pakistan’s requirement according to the religion, culture and needs and not what was made thousands of years ago by the Greek and Roman Gladiators. I mean those who loved watching those gladiators fighting and killing each other and for them it was sports. Today’s Boxing is a mild version of gladiator fights. If I have the authority, I will BAN BOXING.

  66. #66 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 7:32 AM

    Omer

    I am sorry if I misunderstood you and let us bury the argument. Both of us ultimately want the best for Pakistan. I mentioned earlier that for your sake I hope Razzaq gets into the Pakistan team and makes a positive difference and for your sake I also hope we have good and real democracy in the country without undemocratic elements such as ethnic politics and feudalism.

    Javed A Khan

    I don’t see the feudal system being abolished anytime soon. That is because the country is overwhelmingly agricultural and the feudalism is the pulse of the country’s biggest and most influential province. Whenever proposals of land reforms were heard of, they got buried. In 2006 Musharraf tried to introduce land reforms, but nothing materialised.

    I also totally agree that a new Constitution should arise which provides for checks and balances for everyone. We studied this a lot in American Politics at A-level, that the more checks and balances you have, the more difficult it is for the government to function and implement its agenda. I don’t trust the government in Pakistan because the individuals with power will only work to loot money and fool the masses. Hence Bhutto’s idea of a strong government should be rejected.

    The courts act as a check and balance for the government. The Pakistani Constitution does provide for the court in some cases to review and strike down decisions of the government. However, when I said that Pakistan is a unique case and cannot be compared with USA or India, what I meant is what happened with the Supreme Court in Pakistan and this is what I attempted to explain to Omer, as well.

    The driving force behind the movement to restore Choudhary was not legality or righteousness. It was ethnicity and politics. Politics in the sense that Choudhary and PML N have ideological similarities. This was a game designed by Lahore Bar Association and PML N, and then religious parties and Imran Khan joined them, as it became a political movement to remove Musharraf. Mubasher Lucman (who is a Punjabi), the reporter for News One, is uncovering what happened “behind the curtains” in this movement and he wants to expose the politics behind this restoration.

    So our “principles of democracy” are strongly intertwined with ethnicity, regional affiliations and corruption. This is not what should herald democracy in any society. Democracy is built on equal rights, on minority rights, on meritocracy, on honesty, accountability etc.

    Some people may say that it is because of democracy that MQM is winning seats in Karachi or ANP is becoming strong in NWFP. MQM offered support to Musharraf, whereas Musharraf improved MQM’s profile and gave them more powers. People say Musharraf rigged the election in NWFP so that a moderate and secular ANP could come to power. I can’t say for sure whether he did or not.

    The point is that until very recently (2008) PML N did not even recognise MQM as a political party. What kind of democracy is this? Does it not serve the interests of one province, one race and one ideology?

  67. #67 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 8:14 AM

    Sham colleges open doors to Pakistani terror suspects

    Thousands of young Pakistanis exploited a hole in Britain’s immigration defences to enrol as students at a network of sham colleges, The Times can reveal.

    The gateway, opened by fraudsters who have earned millions from the scam, has allowed in hundreds of men from a region of Pakistan that is the militant heartland of al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taleban.

    Eight of the terror suspects arrested last month in Manchester and Liverpool were on the books of one college.It had three small classrooms and three teachers for the 1,797 students on its books. Another college claimed to have 150 students but secretly enrolled 1,178 and offered places to a further 1,575 overseas applicants, 906 of them in Pakistan.

    The investigation has also revealed:

    • those running the scam charged at least £1,000 for admission places and fake diplomas. They created their own university to issue bogus degrees;

    • they also charged £2,500 for false attendance records, diplomas and degrees that were used to extend the students’ stay in Britain;

    • one wealthy associate, Mir Ahmad, linked to two murders in Pakistan, was arrested yesterday after The Times gave the Home Office a dossier implicating two of the colleges.

    The Times has uncovered close ties between 11 colleges in London, Manchester and Bradford, all formed in the past five years and controlled by three young Pakistani businessmen.

    Each of the three men entered the country on a student visa. One has fled to Pakistan after earning an estimated £6 million from the scam. Fayaz Ali Khan and another man are in the UK.

    All but two of the ten students arrested last month over an alleged al-Qaeda bomb plot were enrolled over an 11-month period at Manchester College of Professional Studies. Two Liverpool universities admitted last night that they had given places to four of them, who had used a diploma from the college when they applied.

    The massive fraud has fuelled a surge in student arrivals from Pakistan, which the Prime Minister has identified as the birthplace of two thirds of terrorist plots in the UK.Between 2002 and 2007, the number of Pakistani nationals with permission to enter or remain in the UK as students jumped from 7,975 to 26,935.

    Manchester College of Professional Studies, set up in 2006, sold places to more than 1,000 students, including hundreds of men from North West Frontier Province, where a battle is raging between Taleban fighters and the Pakistani Army. Others came from mountainous tribal areas near the Afghan border, described by President Obama as “the most dangerous place in the world”.

    The college was removed from an official government register of education providers last summer but those who ran it have set up other colleges.

    Tougher rules on the admission of international students, introduced last month by the UK Border Agency, aim to weed out bogus colleges and close the immigration loophole. The Times has evidence, however, that those involved in some abuses are already seeking to exploit the new system.

    Phil Woolas, the Immigration Minister, said last night: “The information provided by The Times has been passed on to the UK Border Agency, which is investigating.”

  68. #68 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 8:20 AM

    According to Jang, Basit Ali has been appointed Pakistan’s batting coach on the recommendation of Younis Khan.

    So Younis wants a coach to work on his, Malik’s and Misbah’s batting flaws but he does not want to give a chance to Fawad Alam.

    Afridi and some other players have been against batting coaches and instead have said the team needs a counsellor or psychologist.

  69. #69 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 8:24 AM

    The Indian election

    Dawn report

    PAKISTANIS should find a proper study of India’s latest general election quite rewarding — that is if they can abandon their utterly irrational resolve to learn neither from friends nor from foes. One of the most peculiar features of the Pakistani mindset is an incredibly strong sense of self-righteousness.

    As the chosen community we do not have to learn from any other people. Indeed, the world, especially the non-Muslim part of it, has nothing to offer us. The ‘godless communists’ apart, we ignore even the believers in the West because of their ‘obscene practices’ and their high divorce rates. If a country had questioned our credentials to lead the Muslim ummah or failed to vote in our favour at a world forum it was to be put down in the list of permanent enemies.

    In this regard, India has been selected for the worst possible treatment. Since we have designated this closest neighbour as our most inveterate foe, the question of looking at its ways of dealing with issues of statecraft, development, public welfare et al simply does not arise. So strong is the Pakistani elite’s aversion to India that it barely acknowledges its South Asian identity. Most Pakistanis would like to believe that Pakistan is located somewhere between Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

    We become jealous of Bangladeshis if we find their taka has become a stronger currency than our rupee or that they have radically slashed their population growth rate, but we have no interest in examining as to how all this has been possible. (An exception is some rudimentary attempts to imitate the Grameen system of micro-credit.)

    This mindset prevents Pakistan from studying Indian strategies to deal with the various issues that also plague us. Faced with problems of stagnation in agriculture we have invited experts from the western countries that have little knowledge of our soil, our land tenure system and the strengths and weaknesses of our peasants but we have made no serious attempt to analyse how India, a food-deficit country in the early 1950s, is now groaning under stocks of surplus grain. The destruction of Pakistan’s railway system is a most painful scandal but it is doubtful if we have tried to find out what keeps the Indian railways running. We have subcontinental diseases and we insist on applying Middle Eastern cures, quite unmindful of the disastrous results.

    This habit of ignoring Indian efforts to grapple with the problems that afflict Pakistan also must be given up as the cost of persisting in this folly has become unbearable. This does not mean that whatever the Indians have done is wholesome and worth emulating because the mistakes made by them are legion. What is implied here is that when different communities address identical matters they can all learn from each other’s experience, their failures as well as their successes. It is in this context that one should like to urge state functionaries, public representatives, academics and students of politics to take a hard look at the latest general election in India.

    First, the mechanics of an election. India is the only country in the world where polling in a general election is spread over several weeks, the basic reason being the keenness to ensure availability of the necessary personnel in sufficient strength in each sector. Till some years ago ballot boxes used to be kept under strict guard till counting could begin at the end of polling. It was no small achievement that in a country that was among the first to report incidents of booth-capturing no serious complaint of tampering with ballot boxes was heard.

    But in 2004 India took a revolutionary step by switching over to vote-recording machines. The success of the system has silenced all those who had argued that the poorly educated rural communities could not use machines. True, there have been minor problems here and there but on the whole voting by machines has yielded huge benefits.

    The entire hassle involving the printing of ballot papers, the dispatch of these ballots, stamps and papers related to polling to faraway polling stations and arrangements to guard against pilferage has been done away with. Counting can be done easily and speedily. The need for hard copies of electoral rolls can also be eliminated. All that a voter is required to do is to go to the polling station for his residential area and gain admittance by establishing his identity and his place of residence. True, those who can storm polling stations — and this species is not absent in Pakistan — will use the machine as effortlessly as they can stamp ballot papers, but that is a law and order issue, not an electoral problem.

    The electoral contest was prolonged and bitter. The ruling coalition was visibly nervous and the challengers were smelling victory. But considering India’s vast territory, its mammoth electorate and the presence in considerable numbers of criminal elements among voters and candidates both, incidents of violent disruption of the electoral proceedings were negligible.

    Some improvements in India’s political culture were evident in the promptness with which the losers admitted defeat and the manner of their doing so. In the main they held themselves responsible for their poor showing instead of blaming the system or the winners for wrongdoing. It is evidence such as this that convinces everybody of the election having been free and fair.

    The electorate in any country derives immense pleasure from proving the poll forecasts wrong, and the more underprivileged a people the greater their happiness in surprising sophisticated mind-readers. Indian voters have once again enjoyed proving themselves to be masters of the moment. Now all the experts can indulge in semantics to their hearts’ content over why the people in a part of India preferred a party/candidate to another, why someone won and somebody else lost. The voters have spoken and moved on — replacing a dissection of the past with hopes of turning the corner in the future.

    The extent to which the election commission has contributed to the development of electoral processes and conventions in India merits study by Pakistani experts. India has avoided reserving the chief election commissioner’s office for the judiciary and succeeded in establishing the institution’s credibility. Differences have been noticed between the commission’s working under a stern and authoritarian Seshan and a gregarious and media-loving Gill and there have been occasions when observers have wondered at the commission’s laziness or else but on the whole the system has continued to deliver.

    No doubt Indian democracy is far from perfect. The ordinary citizen’s participation in governance is largely restricted to periodic elections of his representatives with little control over the latter’s performance. But Pakistanis will do well to appreciate a poor Indian’s feeling of fulfillment when he recalls that it was he who threw out prime ministers or reinstated the discarded ones, that he has been part of the process of change. It is this heady feeling that enables the ordinary Indian citizen to own the state and to be proud of it in spite of all his grievances about being neglected, abandoned and exploited.

    The greatest misfortune of the Pakistani people has been that the repeated disruptions of the democratic journey by authoritarian adventurers have deprived them of the joy of owning the state. The Indian election needs to be studied in Pakistan in order to settle the question of the state’s ownership — whether it belongs to an oppressive, incompetent and corrupt elite or the dumb, exploited multitude.

  70. #70 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 8:33 AM

    Omer

    The writer above talks about the strength of Indian democracy and he seems to replicate your views and he has even said that authoritarian disruptions have affected democracy in Pakistan, which is what you say.

    But again, does he understand the fact that the two countries are very different?

  71. #71 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 9:54 AM

    This is the scorecard of a T20 match played yesterday.

    http://pak.cricdb.com/archive/domestic/tournaments/contents/scorecard/view/index.php?scr_id=532

    Fawad was sent in to bat in the last few balls and he remained not out on 5, whereas he took a wicket and conceded 19 runs in 3 overs. In terms of economy rate he was the 2nd best after Afridi, in spinners.

    Salman Butt made 60, but with 8 boundaries and he took 53 balls, which means that otherwise he made 28 runs in 45 balls, which is not good for T20 (when you take out his boundaries). This shows he is poor at rotating and strike and also that he is playing for himself and not taking more chances.

    Hence I agree with Javed A Khan that Butt and Shahzad should not open in T20. They need to play Fawad Alam. Malik did not do anything great in this particular match.

  72. #72 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 10:05 AM

    Omer

    Were you referring to this “conspiracy theorist” writer?

    Stop The Rot In Pakistan

    Ahmed Quraishi

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—The worst part of the continuing instability in Pakistan since 2007 is that it is fast pushing this nation’s best and brightest to lose hope. The doomsday reporting on Pakistan in the Am-Brit [American-British] media – which appears more like a war campaign than reporting – is devastating the national psyche. But this would not have been problematic had our national leadership been up to the challenge. This leadership has been a failure in the best of times. Now our challenges are tall and our leaders are pygmies by comparison.

    I know Pakistani businessmen who made fortunes out of providing uninterrupted high-value services to the banking industry who are forced now to contemplate migration because they are losing hope. Their incomes are intact but it is the quality of their lives in Pakistan’s biggest city that they are concerned about.

    The military institution is strong and is capable of holding Pakistan’s stability and integrity despite the alarm and the unanswered questions over how our situation deteriorated over the past four years and how our homeland has become exposed to multiple foreign players wreaking havoc here, not to mention why we have allowed ourselves to blindly trust one superpower with our interests.

    The military can and will prevail over the threats facing us for the time being, but who will assume the challenge of reviving the national spirit, remodeling national politics and initiate the hard task of making Pakistan an attractive place for its citizens?

    The political parties are unmitigated failures and cannot run a democracy. None of these parties today has a national agenda. Most of them have shrunk into narrow regional or ethnic interests. None of them has a working party system that produces leaders since most of these parties operate as one-man shows or as family-run businesses in their most primitive forms. If handed over power tomorrow morning, there is hardly any party out there that can come up with better plans or policies than the one currently in office.

    And while this failure continues, the ethnic-based provincial division of the state is turning every administrative issue into an ethnic flashpoint. Some politicians and political parties are manufacturing ethnic tensions for political gain. Foreign players are exploiting this and courting separatism in Pakistan as a vehicle for pushing their own interests. It is an irony that there isn’t a single political party in Pakistan today that raises the flag of Pakistani nationalism. There was a time when India, our perennial enemy-friend, used to be the only bastion of advocates of separatism in Pakistan. But today we see the center of gravity of this trend moving to Washington, for various reasons.

    But these are fallouts. The strings are still in our hands and no one can mess with us if we put our house in order. But who will do it in Pakistan?

    If the political parties are unable to produce leaders, we cannot wait for them forever to do so. We in Pakistan do not have the luxury of time. The time for this was the 20th century when nations took their time to develop their national systems. We wasted that opportunity. Both an elected civilian leader and a military ruler – Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Ayub Khan – made good starts but messed up in the end.

    To move forward, Pakistan needs a new deal for the 21st century. And this deal cannot come through the ballot for the foreseeable future. Our best chance is for Pakistan’s best and brightest – outside the realm of our failed parties and a failed system – to step forward with a plan to remodel the state, change the constitution and create an environment for real political parties to grow and prosper. This is the only way left to bring capable and creative civilian administrators to power. Such a civilian administration can and must borrow the support of the military institution for such a grand project of national rebuilding.

    As we make a final push to expel America’s failed war encroaching into our territory in our northern and western regions, the wider national perspective must not be missed. A vibrant, creative and emerging Pakistan is still possible. But for this to happen, Pakistan’s thinking classes, the media and the public opinion will have to support creative out-of-the-box thinking.

    The time to stop the rot is here. Let’s not become the worst managers of one of the world’s best pieces of real estate.

    ————————————————————————————————
    I don’t agree with Ahmed’s very biased approach towards the West or India, but what he says about Pakistani nationalism is spot on. Ahmed needs to realise that ultimately, in order to get the Pakistan he envisages, lessons will have to be learned from the West as well as India.

    I have never seen a journalist who is so committed to the unity of Pakistanis. Ahmed knows in his heart that the answer to his concerns is someone like Pervez Musharraf, a leader not for Punjab, a leader not for Karachi, a leader not for Baluchistan, but for Pakistan.

  73. #73 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 12:55 PM

    Shoaib Akhtar pulled out of Pakistan’s World Cup squad

    ——————————————————————————–

    LAHORE: Pakistan pulled fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar out of next month’s World Twenty20 tournament in England due to injury, the Pakistan Cricket Board said Thursday.

    “We have pulled him out of the World Twenty20 on the basis of a medical report on his groin injury,” the PCB said.

    Fitness concerns have continued to plague the 33-year-old bowler, who skipped the squad’s conditioning camp for the World Twenty20 and was not featuring in any of the three practice matches.

    Shoaib Akhtar managed just four Twenty20 matches last year due to fitness and discipline problems. He was dropped from the team after he managed to get just one wicket in the two one-day internationals against Sri Lanka in February.

    Despite his problems Shoaib Akhtar had been named in the 15-man squad for the 12-team Twenty20 event starting from June 5.

    Pakistan are placed in Group B alongside hosts England and the Netherlands.

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2009 - 1:16 PM

    khansahab

    That’s just one good news that Actor is pulled out or dropped for obvious reasons. I want the same to happen to Butt, Ahmad Shahzad too, they will otherwise ruin the matches for Pakistan. In T20 if the openers cannot make fast runs, they must get out for others to score fast and if they keep playing like that they must not be in the T20 games, period. Salman Butt has failed many times by playing slow innings and putting the rest of the team under pressure. Ahmed Shahzad plays straight bat shots and he is only 17 needs to mature and he is not Mathew Hayden to score that freely in T20 with straight bat shots.

    Get Imran Nazir and Imran Farhat for T20. I am also not sure of the new rookie fast bowler in the team Aamir Ahmad? They should take Rana Nayee in the team. He will play OK in the UK.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2009 - 1:28 PM

    khansahab;

    You are absolutely right, the writer of that article of DAWN does not understand the difference between India and Pakistan. People are often mislead by this thought that India and Pakistan are the same. THEY ARE NOT. They may have been same people 62 years ago like England and France were one country a thousand years ago. But, are they same?

    So, what is good for India is not good for Pakistan and what is good for Pakistan is not good for India. They should stop giving this stupid example. Only simpletons would do that. They have to use their gray matter and not only understand but, analyze the facts and the minute details. Giving examples, “America may aisa hota, why not here?” UK may aisa hota, why not here? Singapore, Taiwan, Malaysia, Korea they all got independence at the same time Pakistan got, look where they are and where we are? That is because they have different circumstances and different problems than Pakistan. Every country has a different culture, religion, background, problems and environment and cannot be compared with the other. Bangladesh and Sri Lanka has different problems than Pakistan so why the hell people compare India and Pakistan?

  76. #76 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 3:28 PM

    The website Cricdb has reported that Akhtar was suffering from genital warts, which is why he is unable to play in the practice matches and why he is not fit to play in the T20 World Cup.

    http://pak.cricdb.com/archive/domestic/tournaments/contents/index.php?srsid=16

    Genital warts is a sexually transmitted disease.

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2009 - 5:29 PM

    LOL @ getting Genital warts, ahahahaha reportedly it also comes from men having animal sex. LOL.

  78. #78 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2009 - 5:49 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Have a look:

    http://content.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/405037.html

    This is inline with what we were discussing about Cricket in Pakistan.

  79. #79 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2009 - 5:55 PM

    PCB to meet board chiefs over WC dispute

    http://content.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/405434.html

    I hope ICC agrees to allow Pakistan to stage their share of World Cup games in UAE (Dubai and Abu Dhabi only and not Sharjah, as Omer may get confuse) 😉

    It will be a good thing for Pakistan as well as for UAE.

    Plus, I will have a chance to see all matches live 😆

  80. #80 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 6:52 PM

    http://pak.cricdb.com/archive/domestic/tournaments/contents/scorecard/view/index.php?scr_id=533

    Shoaib Malik’s allround effort court not prevent defeat for Younis Khan’s team in today’s T20. Hafeez, playing for Misbah’s team batted brilliantly today and single handedly engineered the innings for Chairman XI. Malik and Tanvir were the wicket takers and Malik was also economical.
    Fawad Alam was expensive in his 2 overs.

    Malik top scored with 71 from 52 balls while Butt and Younis provided some support. Fawad as usual was sent in to bat towards the end of the innings but he could not win the match for the Patrons team. He remained unbeaten on 10 from 7 balls. Fawad Alam faced the last ball of the innings; hit six over mid-wicket off Umer Gul.

    Rao Ifthikar was the Chairman XI’s best bowler, taking 2 wickets whereas Saeed Ajmal was economical.

    The batting has been very selfish and the senior players like Younis and Butt are treating this as batting practice. They are playing so slowly. Ahmed Shahzad has not been able to strike form and although he is a confident striker, he is not playing the ball in the gaps. Younis needs to promote Fawad Alam because in T20 Fawad can unquestionably play better than Younis, but neither of Younis, Malik or Misbah will do anything ever to benefit Fawad because they know he threatens their place.

  81. #81 by Awas on May 21, 2009 - 8:05 PM

    “…but neither of Younis, Malik or Misbah will do anything ever to benefit Fawad because they know he threatens their place”.

    khansahab…LOL @ your enthusiasm for Fawad. Like all here I have been convinced too that he needs a permanent place in Pakistan’s set up. But honestly would anyone in their right mind be so charitable “to benefit Fawad”? Will I ever say to a client go to so and so as he is a better accountant than me or would you do the same when acting as a solicitor? 🙂

    I’m not saying that the three names you mentioned don’t feel threatened but simply posing a different question being in their shoes. Only the selection committee that includes captain can change the situation for Fawad. Looking at past statements of Younus, it does appear that he wanted to play Fawad and reports even suggested that he sacrificed his own place for Fawad in the last ODI. So, why Fawad is still not going up the order is inexplicable.

  82. #82 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2009 - 8:17 PM

    Rightly said Awas ….

    Why should anyone ever ‘do anything to benefit’ their own oppnent ? Specially, the one who even ‘threatens their place’ ? 😉

    Frankly speaking, it seems, Khansahab is a bit too obsessed with playing Fawad in any case.

  83. #83 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 8:19 PM

    Awas

    Tney are senior players and they should be accountable to the team and the country. They are not performing adequately and they should demote themselves or get demoted. Younis made Malik open today and made Butt bat at no 3, don’t know whether it was because he wanted to benefit Butt or Malik or both.

    He can promote Akmal up the order, Misbah can promote Hafeez and Afridi up the order but no one can promote Fawad up the order. That is precisely because they feel threatened.

    Whether I talk from their perspective or Fawad’s perspective, what they are doing is wrong. It is discriminatory treatment.

  84. #84 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 8:23 PM

    Munir sahab

    So it seems you are saying that playing selfishly is justified? Being an accountant is different from being a cricketer. When you are an accountant you think about yourself and your firm, but as a cricketer you should think about your team and your country. If Awas was in a team of 11 accountants being sent to some global competition to represent England, and if he was not doing a great job and knew someone else could do a better job than him, then the situation changes slightly. The stakes are raised higher, it becomes a matter of pride and an occasion where integrity, conscience, honour etc are tested.

    If this method of thinking is adopted, then Pakistan will surely remain a substandard team because the public will think the seniors are doing the natural thing or the justifiable thing to play selfishly and not give chances to someone who is potentially better.

  85. #85 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2009 - 8:31 PM

    Wow … Khansahab you are ‘fast’ 😉

    I mean look at it, Awas’s comment was at 8.05pm, and mine was at 8.17pm. Where as you have replied us both within minutes at 8.19pm and 8.23pm respectively.

    I am ok with Fawad playing and I also like his game and I am sure he deserve a fair chance. But it’s not right to expect any ‘favours’ from seniors to make Fawad shine. If Fawad really deserves a place, which I am sure he does, he doesn’t need anybody’s held or assistance.

    It’s a jungle out there, and I wish Fawad good luck 😉

  86. #86 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2009 - 8:32 PM

    * help or assistance.

  87. #87 by khansahab on May 21, 2009 - 8:41 PM

    Yes Munir sahab that’s because I do most of my uni work on the PC and I keep refreshing the admin page :))

  88. #88 by Awas on May 21, 2009 - 8:45 PM

    khansahab

    Humm…thoughtful but don’t they all say “we are professional cricketers”. When it’s your profession your job is your life…or lifeline. Many had sacrificed the honour of playing for their country for IPL…money. Just you wait till you become a money spinning solicitor 🙂

    By the way, second part of my comment mentioned Younus did indeed wish to play Fawad.

  89. #89 by Awas on May 21, 2009 - 8:52 PM

    It is discriminatory treatment”.

    Perhaps discrimination is good for the heartbeat 😀

  90. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2009 - 1:19 AM

    “I am agree” with khansahab for what he has said about Fawad Alam. Sometimes the senior players must step down and give their place to a new budding player, sometimes it works against the team if a winning combination is disturbed especially if a senior player is playing well, you give him rest and that rhythm is lost in the process.

    We don’t know whether Younus dropped himself deliberately to give Fawad Alam a chance or, he was really down with flu or cold? If he did that deliberately, I think it was a very good gesture. Malik never did that while he was the captain. In fact he dropped Shahid Afridi in Abu Dhabi against Sri Lanka when he was batting and bowling well. He also sent him back from India and did not include him in the test squad, whereas he was limping and not playing, he should have come back home. But, he is a selfish Meesna, he would never do that.

    A captain’s spot is always guaranteed in the playing IX, unless he is failing miserably and regularly, perhaps that was the case with Younus when he opted out in the last ODI. Like, it also happened in case of Michael Vaughn in ODI’s (not TEST) that he opted out for someone else. But as a test player and as a captain he was no less than Younus, in fact Younus needs to prove his mettle as a captain. Vaughn’s record is very good as a captain.

    Misbah & Co. definitely feel threatened by Fawad Alam and he is not getting a chance to play, they don’t allow him to bowl, they send him so low that he hardly gets a chance to bat. And that seems deliberate to me and that’s what makes khansahab mad at the petty politics to keep Fawad Alam away.

    Munir

    You said, “Frankly speaking, it seems, Khansahab is a bit too obsessed with playing Fawad in any case.” To me it appears that you were looking for an opportunity to say that to khansahab. And, I am saying this on the basis of your previous deliberations avec khansahab on Fawad Alam.

    Actually, after the Pak Aus series in the UAE, he wanted to do an exclusive thread on Fawad Alam and when he asked me, I told him, “Believe It Or Not” moi aussi, I wanted to write that thread but, due to some business commitments I couldn’t do that and I asked him to do that. But, he changed his mind for the simple reason that people might think he is obsessed with Fawad Alam’s inclusion in the team! Hence he wrote this thread “Where Does Pakistan Cricket Go From Here?”

    He had the opportunity, but he let it go. But, this doesn’t mean he cannot speak for the constant injustices that are being done even at the domestic level. Its a real shame that it is happening. I mean people can see and even comment at khansahab’s raving, ranting and lamenting, but they don’t say a word about how mean these people are towards Fawad Alam.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2009 - 1:15 PM

    khansahab was the first one to post the news of Show Actor’s Genital Warts and we laughed about it. But, some people on cricinfo have written a thread i.e., to get some attention, by creating a debate to gain some kinda instant popularity . The Actor has been the center of media attention ever since he started playing and that is not necessarily because of his achievements but, his lifestyle and his outside the field behaviour, the controversies he was involved with and many other things. Now, this seems to be a straw in the camel’s back. But, not necessarily the last nail in the coffin.

    I think he should announce his retirement to save himself from further humiliation both personal and for the nation. Because, neither he is going to change, nor the media is going to spare him i.e., as long as he is in the cricket arena. Once retired and gone with the wind, who cares and who remembers? Mir Taqi Mir wrote something very apt for this:

    Awaargaan-e-Ishq ka poocha jo mai nishaan
    Musht-e-ghubaar lay kay fizaa nay urra diya.

    I dunno how many of you have understood the meaning of this poetry? For some Aasaan Urdu students, I will explain. By Awaargaan-e-Ishq, he is referring to those holy people like the Sufi’s and Saints. He says, “when I inquired about where they have gone?” The word Fizaa has a few meanings including weather but, here he is referring to the wind. “When I asked the wind to tell me where those holy men have gone? She picked up a handful of dust and sprayed it in the atmosphere ….. hinting ……… this is how they disappeared.”

  92. #92 by khansahab on May 22, 2009 - 5:18 PM

    AFRIDI UNAFRAID TO TAKE RISKS

    Pritam Das

    22/05/2009

    There is a thin line separating genius from madness. With Pakistani all-rounder Shahid Afridi, the line is a blur.

    Supremely gifted, yet eccentric, Afridi is what Afridi does. Most often it’s hitting bowlers out of the park, bamboozling batsmen with his furious brand of leg-spin or needling the opposition with incessant chatter from the in-field.

    In between he performs deeds of reckless abandon, like scouring the business end of a pitch with his spikes or announcing his retirement from Test cricket just when he’s made himself a fixture in the team.

    Rarely does the script go wrong.

    His looks make him a darling with the women. His ability to smack the ball with power guarantees him a sizeable fan following, especially in his homeland where extravagance is revered.

    Afridi’s batting technique is simple; hit the ball and hit it hard.

    He comes to the crease with the one idea of hitting just about every ball out of the ground. Attack and aggression are his natural instincts.

    Most bowlers quake in fear. Others throw up their hands, go through the motions and get smacked.

    Only 16 when he made his international debut in 1996, Afridi took the cricket world by storm, smashing the fastest century in one-day cricket in only his second match. The opposition was no less a team than Arjuna Ranatunga’s Sri Lanka. Ironically, Afridi was picked on the strength of his bowling.

    Whatever his task in the team, Afridi had arrived and with a bang.

    Afridi’s cricket is a reflection of the region he comes from. A Pathan from the craggy rocky mountain and barren North West Frontier Province, Afridi brings the qualities of his tribe – fearlessness and aggression – to the field.

    His batting too reflects the region of his birth. It carries a rustic charm sometimes memorable, but at other times a quickly passing shadow which leaves no mark.

    “In the dressing room, I tell myself I will be patient at the start at least,” he says.

    “But once I cross the boundary ropes, the noise and screams of the fans get to me and it makes me nervous. It puts me under pressure,” Afridi said.

    “It is my nature. A Pathan is a hot-blooded creature, who always wants to get things done quickly. Sometimes it backfires. The mind doesn’t think too much when in a hurry.

    “I am not perfect and I do have my limitations,” he added.

    Indeed, consistency was an attribute which he introduced to his game a good six years after he made his debut. The benefits of discipline and judgement were brought home to him only in 2005 when the late Bob Woolmer took over as coach of Pakistan.

    After several years of trying he finally made himself a permanent fixture in the Test team, only to announce he was retiring due to “burnout”.

    On the field Afridi had never been found wanting in agility and safety. Rarely does he put down catches while fielding in the ring.

    His throws from the deep are precise and powerful.

    Along the way, he has also added several tricks to his loopy-leg spin and many consider him second only to the legendary Shane Warne for variation.

    Australia found that out much to their discomfort in the series in Abu Dhabi and Dubai last month where he emerged top bowler.

    A man of many gifts and fragile temperament, never has a player endeared and exasperated in equal measure. It has become the irrepressible Pathan’s signature style.

  93. #93 by khansahab on May 22, 2009 - 5:33 PM

    Today Altaf Hussain spoke to Asaf Zardari on the phone and raised concern about IDP’s entering into Sindh. Sindhi nationalist groups have protested in some villages in Sindh because they don’t want “outsiders stealing their resources”.

    After sending money and relief goods almost everyday and doing more than anyone else for the relief of refugees from Swat, MQM today undid all that by raising these concerns. I am really upset at them.

    The reason why this is particularly sad is because Punjab was the first province to say it does not want any refugees and in fact it came in the news a few days ago that Punjab government has closed its borders to refugees.

    Now if the same thing happens in Sindh (to be honest I think MQM and Sindhis are doing this as a reaction to what Punjab government did) where will the refugees go?

  94. #94 by khansahab on May 22, 2009 - 5:44 PM

    Top cricketers to feature in Akbar Alam Benefit match

    Friday, May 22, 2009

    KARACHI: Top Pakistani cricketers will feature in the Akbar Alam Benefit match when Governor’s Eleven will take on Chief Minister’s Eleven on May 23 at the National Stadium.

    Custom’s Academy is organising this T20 match in honour of Akbar Alam who dedicated his life for the promotion of cricket in the country.

    Legendary cricketer Saeed Anwar and former Pakistan cricket team skippers Javed Miandad and Inzimam-ul-Haq and other renowned former cricketers will be playing in the match.

    Pakistan team captain Younis Khan, Shahid Afridi and Misbah-ul-Haq has also confirmed their participation.

    Governor’s XI: Javed Miandad, Syed Mustafa Kamal, Faisal Sabzwari, Dr Saghir Ansari, Rashid Latif, Moin Khan, Shahid Afridi, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan, Zahoor Elahi, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal, Umer Gul, Fawad Alam, Col Zubair, Haji Ashraf, Sohail Khan, Ali Hussain, Khalid Latif, Yasir Shah, Hanif Malik, Pir Zulfiqar, Yasir Hussain.

    Chief Minister’s XI: Abdul Qadir, Dr Mohammad Ali Shah, Agha Siraj Durrani, Saeed Anwar, Inzimam-ul-Haq, Azam Khan, Abdul Razzaq, Rana Naveed-ul-Hassan, Asim Kamal, Salman Butt, Misbah-ul-Haq, Faisal Iqbal, Sohail Tanveer, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Col Aamir, Junaid Jamshed, Anwar Ali, Dr, Junaidf Ali Shah, Ather Ali, Rameez Aziz, Hafiz Asad, Shahzaib Hassan, Jaahid Shoukat Ali.

  95. #95 by khansahab on May 22, 2009 - 5:52 PM

    Today Fawad was sent in to bat at no 4 and what happened? He made 33 from 18 balls which is the best strike rate of this series by any batsman who has faced more than 10 balls.

    http://pak.cricdb.com/archive/domestic/tournaments/contents/scorecard/view/index.php?scr_id=534

    He scored 3 boundaries but also played the balls in the gaps and ran singles and doubles. Like I have said this guy can do anything, he can hit fours and sixes, he is good at driving the ball in the gaps and rotating the strike etc.

  96. #96 by Mohammed Munir on May 22, 2009 - 7:04 PM

    Javed Khan …

    The Mir Taqi ‘Shair’ was nice and I liked it. Thanks.

    Khansahab …

    Afridi’s interview was really a treat to read and I really thank you for putting it up here.

    I don’t go much into other cricket sites/ blogs or even cricinfo as we get a summary of all the cricket related news right here on LS.

    I admired what Afridi said above and it was all true.

  97. #97 by Mohammed Munir on May 22, 2009 - 7:18 PM

    Thanks to ‘Gili’, Deccan Chargers reached to IPL Final, by beating the favourites, Delhi Daredevils.

    Gilchrist made IPL’s fastest fifty in 17 balls, and he ended his innings with 85 runs of just 35 balls, hitting 10 fours and 5 sixers.

    This is what the commentator had to say at the end of Gili’s innings:

    “Watching him whack ball after ball to the boundary was like playing a computer game with the cheat code on”.

  98. #98 by Awas on May 22, 2009 - 7:30 PM

    Good performance by Fawad but important thing is Fawad was sent higher up at long last. It was perceived it may never happen due to Malik, Misbah or even Younus. As I said before, it is up to the selection committee and the captain to do the right thing not Malik and Misbah…no matter how mean or not so mean they are expected to be.

  99. #99 by Aamir Iqbal on May 23, 2009 - 8:19 AM

    Mohammed Asif coaching at London cricket school :

  100. #100 by khansahab on May 23, 2009 - 9:33 AM

    Omer

    You’re up early?!

  101. #101 by Mohammed Munir on May 23, 2009 - 9:49 AM

    Khansahab …

    Omer is not up early, he has not slpet yet 😉

  102. #102 by khansahab on May 23, 2009 - 10:04 AM

    Omer key liye

    Raath keh baara bajay din nikilta hai..

    Subah key che bajay raath hoti hai….

  103. #103 by Mohammed Munir on May 23, 2009 - 10:11 AM

    Khansahab …

    This following link is in connection with your above comment no. 8, where you have put Zardari and Sahar Palin video.

    Here is the same clip in ‘Punjabi’. It’s hilarious, if you understand it 😉

    PS: I would like to see Javed’s reaction to this 😆

  104. #104 by Awas on May 23, 2009 - 11:47 AM

    Munir

    Quite funny the Punjabi version. I guess multilingual Javed would have understood not sure about kahnsahab.

    No wonder he was a playboy! Hasn’t changed even when president.

  105. #105 by khansahab on May 23, 2009 - 11:49 AM

    Shoaib to play domestic Twenty20 next week

    Cricinfo staff

    May 23, 2009

    Pakistan cricket looks headed for another showdown after Shoaib Akhtar was named captain of the Islamabad Leopards for next week’s RBS Twenty20 Cup, just two days after he was dropped from Pakistan’s squad for the World Twenty20 due to a skin infection.

    “He (Shoaib) has told us that he is fit so we have no reason to drop him,” Islamabad Cricket Association president Shakil Shaikh told the Associated Press. “We have not received any medical report of Akhtar from the Pakistan Cricket Board.”

    A PCB-appointed three-member medical panel said on Thursday that Shoaib would need a minimum of ten days to recover from his condition, which prompted the Pakistan board to jettison Shoaib from the squad the same day.

    Shoaib’s ailment had initially ruled him out of the training camp the team attended in Bhurban, a mountainous hill resort near Islamabad but he had been confident of recovering in time for next month’s World Twenty20.

    “It’s the basic fundamental right of the player that if he says he is fit you can’t stop him from playing,” Shaikh said after naming Shoaib as captain for the five-day domestic tournament starting on Monday in Lahore.

    Should Shoaib play – and perform – it will inevitably lead to questions over why he was dropped from the squad, after having been picked in the first place. The popular Twenty20 tournament will have 18 matches, and has a prize money of 4.44m rupees (approx US $55,000), and will feature all members of Pakistan’s squad for the World Twenty20.

  106. #106 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 23, 2009 - 12:49 PM

    Munir: Why just my reaction? Asee koi unaa day Raqeeb aye? Sanoo key? Ath milay tay Jhappi dalay tay whore kuch keray, wo BC hayee Choora!

    LOL @ Awas for doubting khansahab’s punZaabi. I think we should have translated it in Aasaan Urdu, how about that?

    Aasaan Urdu, reminds me of a short comedy TV show by Anwar Maqsood. It is something like this:

    A girl brings her boyfriend to introduce him to her father (Anwar Maqsood) and he is dressed in tight jeans, sleeveless vest, a black rope tied to his neck and a silver locket hanging and he has a guitar in his hand. AM asks questions:

    AM: Aapka naam?
    Boy: Jimmy
    AM: Jimmy?
    Girl: Ummm Daddieeeee his name is Jameel, pyar say Jimmy..eeeeeeee kehtay hain
    AM: Frowns…
    AM: Walid ka naam?
    Girl: she prompts…. your Dad’s name??
    Boy: Oh, its HAM
    AM: WHAT???
    Girl: Daddy its short for Hamid Ahmed Mushtaq HAM
    AM: Frowns again
    AM: Walida ka naam?
    Boy: JAM (Jamila Ahmad Mushtaq)

    Anwar Maqsood couldn’t ask any more questions except for staring at him….
    Boy: Looks at AM and says: “Accha Ab tum jao”
    AM: Screams and says, yae kya bad tameezi? Meray ghar may aa ker mujh say kehta hai “Accha ab tum jao?”

    Girl: Daddy, Daddy please samjha kerain, yae bichara Aasaan Urdu parha hai, when he said, Accha ab tum jao” It actually means “Wo ab jana chahta hai.” Kion kay iskay parents jab issay kehtay hain Accha ab tum jao, it means he has to go now! So he wants to go now. 😀

  107. #107 by khansahab on May 23, 2009 - 1:25 PM

    Javed A Khan sahab

    Mai Punjabi sey zaada waaqif nahi hoon goya meray mutabiq mulk ki waqar aur falah o behbood key liye Zardari ka kirdaar munasib nahi hai.

    🙂

  108. #108 by Aamir Iqbal on May 23, 2009 - 4:08 PM

    Pakistan vs England in June 20/20 WC shall be a gr8 anticipated fixture !

  109. #109 by khansahab on May 23, 2009 - 5:46 PM

    Abdul

    Yes it is an anticipated match, I am in your agree.

  110. #110 by Aamir Iqbal on May 23, 2009 - 6:05 PM

    But I will keep my hopes hidden for Pakistan in this tournament because the experties,uniqueness and flamboyance seems to be lacking which is what the whole T20 competition requires in order to be successful.

    Nazir,Rana,Mahmood, Yousuf are all not in the squad. Also another T20 specialist is Fawad Alam but the reality is that he will be unlikely to play in the final 11.

  111. #111 by Aamir Iqbal on May 23, 2009 - 6:08 PM

    OBSESSIONS :

    I am 2 Mushy as Khansahab is 2 Fawad Alam.

  112. #112 by Aamir Iqbal on May 23, 2009 - 6:20 PM

    Khansahab , I’m looking forward to T20 season in England this year. The county tournament commences on Monday. I think Yorkshire will win because of Rana Naved’s no 3 batting and Adil Rashid’s variation ! What u reckon ?

    Pakistan are also hosting a domestic T20 tournament. BARA GARMI HOI GI ( it must be very hot and humid conditions ! )

    I think Sajid Mahmood should be in the England team . What do u think as he’s a local fellor 2 u ?

    Lastly nice new pic. And are u going to watch the latest yash raj film production , New York ? If so please forward the link u watched it on or are going to watch it on.

  113. #113 by khansahab on May 23, 2009 - 7:55 PM

    Abdul

    I have not been keeping up with domestic cricket in the UK, so can’t comment.

    You like my new pic? My friend took it when I was at his house last week. I thought if you have shown your pic, I should show mine too, but no one complimented me except you. I am thank you.

    I don’t know about New York. I don’t get much time to watch movies.

  114. #114 by khansahab on May 23, 2009 - 7:57 PM

    RBS T20 Cup

    KARACHI: Pakistan’s England-bound cricketers intend to make full use of the 2009 RBS National Twenty20 Cup starting in Lahore from May 25 ahead of next month’s World Twenty20 Championships.

    All of Pakistan’s 15-man squad will compete for various regional teams in the five-day spectacle to be played under floodlights at the Gaddafi Stadium and LCCA Ground in Lahore from May 25-29.

    Pakistan captain Younis Khan will lead Peshawar Panthers while former skipper Shoaib Malik will spearhead Sialkot Stallions’ campaign to retain their title. Pacer Shoaib Akhtar is at the helm of the Islamabad Leopards.

    Leading Faisalabad Wolves will be senior batsman Misbah-ul-Haq, while Kamran Akmal will captain Lahore Lions.

    The Rs 4.4 million tournament will serve as a launch pad for Pakistan ahead of their campaign in the World Twenty20 Championship to be played in London and Nottingham from June 5-21.

    A total of thirteen teams, representing all leading cities across Pakistan will feature in what is easily the country’s most popular domestic cricket event.

    A total of 18 Matches will be played; 12 at Gaddafi Stadium Lahore and six at the LCCA Ground, Lahore. The Gaddafi stadium matches will be telecast live on Geo Super.

    The event’s schedule was announced on Tuesday at a press conference at Gaddafi Stadium that was attended by the senior management of RBS and Pakistan Cricket Board.

    Speaking on the occasion, Salman Sarwar Butt, Head of Retail Banking, RBS Pakistan stated: “The RBS sponsorship of the 20:20 tournament for the second consecutive year reinforces our commitment to Pakistan cricket. With enormous popularity across the nation cricket is by far the most popular of all sports both played and watched. RBS is delighted to continue the partnership with the PCB.”

    Sultan Rana, PCB’s Director Cricket Operations Domestic said: “We are very optimistic that this tournament will also be a great success. We look forward to further strengthening cricket at the domestic level thus providing more players at the grass roots level with opportunities to perform and qualify for cricket at the international level.”

  115. #115 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 23, 2009 - 8:41 PM

    MOBILE BUTT
    TRAVELING BUTT
    CONVERTIBLE BUTT
    GASHTEE BUTT
    M. F. IJAZ BUTT ………. Iss BC ko kis naam say pukara jai?

    Gasht lagana Butt ki Aadat hai
    Butt marana Ijaz ka Pesha hai

    What is the need for the PCB to throw away their money on this “Traveling Butt’? He is now in South Africa, watching IPL. Why the EFFF does he have to go there and spend government money? Since the time he has been appointed he is traveling like a “Gashtee”. He is also planning to go to Abu Dhabi to discuss the possibility of hosting the WC in the UAE. Last week he was in Dubai for meeting the ICC. Couldn’t he then gone to Abu Dhabi?

    I have never used such strong words for any other PCB official like I am using for this whore called Butt, because, I feel so bad that he is spending rather looting the hard earned money that could be used for the promotion of cricket in Pakistan. But, there is no one to check him and control him, he has got a free hand to travel and, he has spent millions in traveling first class and staying at 5 star hotels for no reason and, he is never alone. He goes with his family, relatives and chamchas, exactly the same way President Ghaddari is doing, screwing the country and the irony is no one is batting an eyelid. Where are the so called Jeeyaalay Journalists? Are they blind or they so dumb that they cannot see, or the cat took their tongue?

    The link below confirms that Butt is in SA now watching the IPL.

    http://content.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/405699.html

  116. #116 by Awas on May 23, 2009 - 9:04 PM

    khansahab

    I don’t see a new picture yet. I think IE takes forever to upload.

    Javed

    Lol @ your anger at Butt Saab…did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? 🙂 Not good for blood pressure!

  117. #117 by Awas on May 23, 2009 - 9:23 PM

    T20 is a game of lottery more than a test of what the game is all about. Royal Challengers and Deccan Chargers were placed at the bottom last year and now they are in the final. Last year’s finalists are nowhere to be seen. Deccan Chargers were right at the bottom last year. The way this year’s IPL has turned around completely on its head, if I were a gambling man, I would put money on Deccan Chargers to win the final.

  118. #118 by khansahab on May 23, 2009 - 11:47 PM

    Awas

    Totally agree with you there. T20 is just a lottery. IPL is ridiculous in that respect because all teams are evenly matched and whoever obtains the momentum ends up winning. Plus, I have not followed IPL 2009 but in last IPL Tamil Indians were playing for Punjab, Bengalis were playing for Mumbai etc. Why are they associating a team with a region then if the team consists of players from all around the country?

    IPL is just about lots of razmatazz and “hungama”, it’s like a Bollywood event. In fact this year pretty serious match fixing allegations have been levied and it seems like professional wrestling to me, which is like watching an action movie with publicity stunts and scripted events.

  119. #119 by M. Y.. Kasim on May 24, 2009 - 12:52 AM

    Khansahab and Awas,

    Have you guys not read Javed Miandad’s statement recently that IPL is not cricket but a “Tamasha” and there are strong indication of match-fixing?

    Last year, two teams from North India were finalists, this time around, both the sides are South Indian. Does’nt it make fishy?

    Another point: The 100 Greatest Cricketers List.

    It is full of bias. The author has wilfully overlooked some of the really great cricketers from the sub-continent. Those run-of-the-mill county players who amassed runs against mediocre medium-pace bowlers make the list while players who stood up to the fiercest fast bowling of the West Indies and Australia have been ignored!!

    I have only gone through the list once but I intend to study it carefully and point out the most glaring instances.

  120. #120 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 24, 2009 - 5:38 AM

    Hey guys, what is IPL? I dunno and I am not watching it. The main reason is, there is no Pakistani player in it, so I have no interest. Secondly, as people are saying it is more like a Noora Kushti, a big scandal, match fixing, so there must be some truth in it. Thirdly, I don’t like the way Indian cricket and politics have been up to these days. They are totally against Pakistan and still trying to prove innocent. So bloody farcical especially this whole security issue about 2011 WC. There is no reply to a simple question from anyone i.e., IF INDIA IS SO SAFE THEN WHAT WAS THE NEED TO SHIFT THE IPL VENUE TO SOUTH AFRICA?

    Awas; Ghussa aanay ki baat bhee hai yaar, this guy called BUTT is gyrating his butt since he became the chief of the PCB and there is no accountability on his spending and traveling, is he above the law?

  121. #121 by Mohammed Munir on May 24, 2009 - 6:51 AM

    Awas …

    You said to Javed Khan, “…did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?”

    Well, actually, you could have rephrased it as, “on the wrong side of WHO’S bed ?” 😆

    LOL @ Gashtee Butt 😉

    Anyway, jokes apart, I agree with Javed Khan on this excessive traveling of ‘BUTT’, specially at a time when PCB is financially weak and need to safe such extra expenses.

  122. #122 by Mohammed Munir on May 24, 2009 - 9:23 AM

    Official sure of Sharjah crossing 200-mark

    Sharjah was forced into the dark with the emergence of the match-fixing row of the late ’90s, but Zahid Noorani is confident with two more world-class venues rising out of the UAE’s sands in Dubai and Abu Dhabi, the emirate will once again bask in the limelight of international cricket.

    Despite its mere 20-year active existence in the international arena, Sharjah holds the record for having hosted the most number of ODIs.

    At 198, it has hosted 69 more one-dayers than second-placed Sydney Cricket Ground (129) and Melbourne Cricket Ground (124). And with international cricket returning to the UAE’s shores in a big way, Noorani is certain Sharjah will break the 200-game barrier.

    Sharjah hasn’t hosted a game since Pakistan beat Zimbabwe in the finals of the Cherry Blossom Cup in 2003, but Noorani said: “Sharjah is close to hosting its 200th match.

    “We’ve just finished with the Pakistan-Australia Chapal Cup Series in Dubai. It’s an outstanding stadium we have there, but when I look back at Sharjah I can see it was so far ahead of its time & just like Dubai is now.

    “Sharjah in its time was the best cricket stadium in the world. When you look at some of the amenities here for the spectators, players and the media, they were far ahead of its time. That was what [Abdul Rehman] Bukhatir specialised in; he’s a visionary and whatever he builds is superior and far advanced.”

    The newly-opened cricket stadium at Dubai Sports City and Abu Dhabi’s Sheikh Zayed Stadium have boosted the UAE’s credentials as a possible contender for future International Cricket Council (ICC) tournaments and Noorani says Sharjah can be revived in no time to meet ICC standards if the UAE hopes to bid for hosting rights.

    “Sharjah is active even now [hosting local and international teams and tournaments].

    “I think having three venues is important for the UAE. Three internationally-accepted venues, Sharjah included, means there is a very good possibility that in the future there will be an event of some significance in the country.

    “I am confident this will happen in the future; that there will be matches and we will reach that 200 game milestone in the near future.”

  123. #123 by Awas on May 24, 2009 - 9:54 AM

    Yeah joking aside, I do agree with Javed & Munir, there is no need to waste money like that when source of revenue is drying up for PCB.

    Like the rest of you I too had no interest in this IPL. I had just read on Cricinfo who the finalists were that made me comment like that. Even last year I followed ICL more than IPL because of Lahore Badshahs. After what khansahab and MY Kasim said, it does indeed look that IPL is a perfect recipe for match fixing as there is so much money at stake.

  124. #124 by Awas on May 24, 2009 - 10:01 AM

    MY Kasim

    I haven’t read Javed Miandad’s statement but in his capacity as a PCB official he however needs to be more diplomatic in making statements against IPL as it’s blessed by BCCI. PCB’s relations with them are already sour.

  125. #125 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 10:38 AM

    Omer

    I am in favour of having different squads for T20, ODI and Test cricket. The 3 formats are played very differently and cricket boards should employ a “divison of labour and specialisation” approach to training youngters.

    The reason why Pakistan can get away with having an almost identical T20 and ODI side is because the selection in ODI’s is biased towards including aggressive players who are good at T20 too. The basic form of cricket played in Pakistan is a twenty over format played on streets, where batsmen just want to smash the ball around wherever they can.

    Clean hitting, bowling with variety and excellent fielding are three requirements for T20 cricket and whichever teams focus on these 3 requirements, they will be the best teams in the future. I think having a balance is important and all batsmen should not be pinch hitters, but from Pakistan’s perspective having having 2 of Misbah, Malik and Fawad should be enough. They are players who can rotate the strike and take singles and doubles and also hit biggies when the situation requires. There is no need to have Younis and Yousuf in T20.

  126. #126 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 10:48 AM

    I don’t know why people are getting so ignorant and why T20 is being so popular. I am not against T20’s popularity, but the fact that it is replacing ODI and Test cricket.

    The ICC should also take measures to make Test cricket more popular. By this, I don’t mean having rules that if a batsman faces 2 short pitch deliveries in one over, the bowler gets suspended or rubbish like that, but maybe the ICC can make Tests a 4 day game. Maybe introduce coloured kits for Tests and have evening or night matches.

    Bangalore and Deccan were the worst teams last year but they are now the finalists this year. What rubbish is this? Why is the ICC on making cricket a game where all teams are equally capable who luck dictates who wins or loses?

    I think any of the top eight teams in the world can defeat one another, with Pakistan and India slightly more likely to win because of having naturally aggressive players who also play ODI and Test cricket like Afridi, Akmal, Sehwag, Gambhir and Dhoni.

  127. #127 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 11:07 AM

    Musharraf vacates Army House

    ISLAMABAD: Former president Pervez Musharraf has vacated the Army House — 18 months after retiring as the Chief of Army Staff.

    Reliable sources told Dawn on Saturday that belongings of the former army chief had been moved to his house at Chak Shahzad farm house, near Tamri Chowk. They were not sure when Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the COAS, will shift to the Army House.

    Gen (retired) Rashid Qureshi, who had twice served as Gen (retd) Musharraf’s spokesman, said as he was in Karachi, he was not in a position to confirm the evacuation.

    He said the former president would soon return home after a lecture tour of several countries. ‘He (Pervez Musharraf) has no plan to settle abroad,’ Gen Qureshi added.

    However, the sources said, very few belongings of the former army chief had been moved to Chak Shahzad. They said it was not clear whether or not Gen Musharraf intended to settle down in Chak Shahzad.

    Gen Musharraf had retired from the army on Nov 28, 2007. But he continued living in the Army House as the government declared the premises as official residence of the President of Pakistan on Dec 6. However, the residence, constructed for the current Army Chief remained in his possession.

  128. #128 by Awas on May 24, 2009 - 11:33 AM

    khansahab

    I think having a balance is important and all batsmen should not be pinch hitters”.

    This is what I had been advocating before. 🙂

    I do agree that having two non pinch hitters but good in others disciplines such as good fielding and be able to rotate the strike creates a good balance. Therefore Yousaf is not suitable at this but Younus is not only a good fielder but also excellent in running between the wickets. Someone like Malik should be made to make way for Fawad or even by dropping one or two current openers as Fawad’s all round ability would be valuable. Whereas Akmal/Afridi can fill the opening slots.

    No one would have considered Dravid for T20 but again in the IPL semi final, he made the difference. To me he has been a revelation in IPL.

  129. #129 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 24, 2009 - 12:24 PM

    Younus is not only a good fielder but also excellent in running between the wickets. Awas

    Yeah, he is so good that he made Imran Nazir run out for that needless run which wasn’t there. Especially after knowing that Imran Nazir was limping and he couldn’t get a substitute runner because he was carrying that injury from the previous match. Awas, I am referring to that match in which he was hitting so well that you said, “I am very glad to see Imran Nazir thrashing that Bander …” 😀 The game would have been different if Imran Nazir had stayed there longer. Anyways, no matter how much we argue on the subject of including Younus in T20, my opinion doesn’t change, unless he proves us wrong in this forthcoming WC in England.

    The point is not just about his fielding which is good, his batting is not clicking in T20 and the worst thing is his defensive captaincy.

    I won’t drop Malik for Fawad Alam. The later must be included in the team but not at the expense of Shoaib Malik. Malik is a meesna there is no doubt about it but, he is still very useful in T20 game and has enough experience. Butt & Ahmad Shahzad should go.

    Open the innings with Afridi and Akmal and, number 3 Malik (With the current batting form among the 3 Akmal is more reliable at the moment.) followed by Younus, Fawad Alam and Misbah. Use the hard hitters in the beginning and make use of the first 4 overs of power play. In four overs if you cross 50, the opposition’s morale is dented and you are laying a decent foundation for your other slower batsmen. One more batsman could be added and leave that for khansahab to fill in that slot. 4 main bowlers also need to be added. Umar Gul, Yasir Arafat and who else ? ?

  130. #130 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 24, 2009 - 12:34 PM

    Awas

    I have not seen any of the IPL matches this year and, people are saying that Dravid has been playing well throughout and you say ‘he is kinda revelation’. I remember last year about his row with his team owner Vijay Malliya who criticized Dravid for poor team selection and Dravid was not happy. Because, he is a very straightforward and honest person and I have a lot of respect for him. Apart from Misbah there were a few other International players in that Bangalooroo team and yet they ended at the bottom just above Dhukkan Chargers. Now, this year both bottom teams are finalists? Something that raises the eyebrows of many because lotsa, lotsa “PAIYEESA and Sutta-Baji” If it was a Pakistani event, the Indian media would have painted the city red with rumours of speculation and match fixing. Mind you SA is a perfect place for betting because the big bookies are from India and SA. (Hansie Cronje was the victim of the betting mafia in SA)

  131. #131 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 12:52 PM

    In T20 Malik is a good player. In fact I have said that he was always a T20 player and if you look at his domestic record he is the best at T20 and the worst in first class. In fact his first class record is so mediocre that you have to wonder who made him a Test player and how?

    Younis and Dravid can be compared and Dravid and Misbah can be compared too. Misbah is a good T20 player and in fact he is also best in T20 and not as good as one day and 4-day level.

    For whatever reason Butt and Shahzad are likely to play in all matches.

    Pakistan squad: Younis Khan (captain), Misbah-ul-Haq, Salman Butt, Ahmed Shahzad, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi, Fawad Alam, Kamran Akmal, Yasir Arafat, Umar Gul, Sohail Tanvir, Mohammad Aamer, Saeed Ajmal, Rao and Shahzaib Hasan.

    Out of this squad I will pick:

    Shahzaib Hasan (he played well in the practice matches held a few days ago)
    Shahid Afridi
    Kamran Akmal
    Younis Khan (no other batsmen in the team!!!)
    Shoaib Malik
    Misbah ul Haq
    Fawad Alam
    Sohail Tanvir
    Umer Gul
    Rao Ifthikar (can hit sixes)
    Saeed Ajmal (I agree now with Javed A Khan that it is better playing an extra spinner, although my reservations with Ajmal’s fielding remain)

  132. #132 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 24, 2009 - 1:28 PM

    khansahab

    Sohail Tanvir is totally out of form with his bowling and batting (which was never so outstanding) and one can only hope that he returns to his bowling form. From what I can see, Tanvir is bowling too many line no-balls these days, which means he has lost his rhythm and when a bowler is not running up well, he is not likely to bowl the right line and length. “Somebody” help him.

    As regards Ajmal or, a fast bowler, if it was a choice between him and Asif, obviously Asif would be selected without any hesitation but, under the circumstances compared to Rao, one day he is economical and the other day he is not and in any case Rao is not a wicket taking bowler, so Ajmal would be a better choice despite his pathetic fielding because he may take a couple of wickets and contain the runs. Most teams (except India) against Pakistan find spin bowling difficult to handle as opposed to fast bowling and their fast bowlers are better than Pakistan’s mediocre medium pace battery.

  133. #133 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 1:28 PM

    Omer

    Firstly I agree with your comments to an extent.

    There are much better players than Ahmed Shahzad. Shahzad just got his chance because of favourtism. He is not making his debut now, he made his debut in ODI cricket and that too against the 2nd best ODI side. He has good technique but needs much more experience.

    I would not have complained if he would have made his debut in this T20 WC. His got his chance vs Australia because of politics and that is the reality.

    Fitness is so important in T20 because runs have to come one way or the other. However, a poor runner like Yousuf will not help. Similarly, Younis is a type of player who has to get settled before he can play his shots. Now because he bats at no 3, he tries to play against his natural game and does not succeed in T20. Either he has to demote himself or he should not play. Yousuf is a different type of player, a bit more like Tendulkar that he can start playing his shots straightaway, but Yousuf has a serious problem with fitness. You see that when he is running and you see that when he is fielding.

    If you take the example of England, players like Strauss, Cook and Bell are incapable of performing at the international level in T20 because they, like Younis, have to settle down first and T20 does not allow that chance. Similarly, Amla and Prince in South Africa also have to settle down first.

    The answer is not easy, because whatever we are saying also depends on what number the batsman is coming to bat. That is why I keep saying that Misbah has this advantage of being in a much more certain position when he comes to bat at no 5 or 6, than someone like Younis. Misbah can only score when he comes in a pressure situation, because he is batting low down. Now because he is coming in a pressure situation, he is allowed to settle down first because at that stage the writing is on the wall, that Pakistan is 50/4 or something and someone needs to waste many balls and get into some kind of form. Younis does not have that liberty.

    Can you imagine what the situation would be if we have players like Yousuf and Razzaq playing T20? All the good work done by them in their batting or bowling or whatever (I seriously doubt Razzaq’s abilities, which we have discussed before) would be undone by their rubbish fielding.

  134. #134 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 1:43 PM

    Javed A Khan

    The reason I chose Tanvir and Rao was because even if their bowling does not click, both of them can hit sixes. Who else is there? Yasir Arafat and Mohd Aamir. Aamir is not a batsman whereas Arafat’s bowling has not been impressive. I think Rao’s experience will help plus on English pitches Rao might be able to swing the ball.

    But it is a close call between Rao and Aamir.

  135. #135 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 3:15 PM

    Ajmal action gets ICC’s green signal

    The ICC has cleared the bowling action of Pakistan offspinner Saeed Ajmal. In a statement on Monday, it confirmed that Ajmal’s action was found to be legal in an independent test conducted by Bruce Elliott, a member of the ICC Panel of Human Movement Specialists, and the player could, therefore, continue to bowl in international cricket.

    Ajmal’s doosra was reported by the umpires during the second ODI against Australia in Dubai last month but he was allowed to continue bowling till Elliott’s assessment of his action was completed.

    During a comprehensive analysis it was revealed the amount of elbow extension in Ajmal’s bowling action for all deliveries was within the 15-degree level of tolerance permitted in the ICC regulations. The analysis was performed by Elliott in Perth on May 14.

    “We have received a report from biomechanic expert Bruce Elliott in which Ajmal’s action while bowling a contentious delivery has been cleared,” Zakir Khan, PCB’s director of operations told AFP. “Elliott has sent his report to the PCB as well as to the ICC.”

    Ajmal, however, will be permitted to continue bowling at the international level subject to certain conditions. The first of which is, “the effect of Elliott’s report and any report from a biomechanical expert, cannot be to clear him without limitation in the future. The effect of Prof Elliott’s report is simply to confirm that Ajmal is capable of bowling with an action which complies with ICC Regulations,” said the release.

    Second, “whenever Ajmal bowls in a match in the future, his action will be under the scrutiny of the match officials”.

    And finally, “according to the ICC regulations, the match officials will use the naked eye to determine whether his action complies with the Laws of Cricket. The permitted degree of elbow extension is 15 degrees and the level of tolerance was set at the point at which such elbow extension will begin to become noticeable to the naked eye. Accordingly, any degree of extension which is visible to the naked eye must and will be reported. ”

    Commenting on the results of the analysis and also restating the ICC’s policy in relation to suspect illegal bowling actions, David Richardson, the ICC general manager, said, “Ajmal can continue to bowl in international cricket on the basis that he uses an action consistent to that used in the latest independent analysis of his action.

    “However, it is important to emphasise that no bowler is ever ‘cleared’ as it is impossible to predict how a player might deliver the ball in the future. All bowlers are subject to further reporting if the match officials are of the view that they have concerns about whether a delivery or deliveries conform to the Laws of Cricket when observed with the naked eye.”

  136. #136 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 3:44 PM

    India no favourites to defend World T20 title: Abbas, Akram

    Former Pakistan captains Zaheer Abbas and Wasim Akram on Sunday refused to reckon defending champions India as favourites to retain the World Twenty20 title, saying the Indian players would be too tired to go for a kill after a hectic last season coupled with the IPL grind.

    “I think there is no favourite team in such a tournament. Anyone from Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa can win the World Cup,” he said.

    “If the IPL is good practice for the players ahead of the World Cup the Indians have been playing too much cricket and would be tired by the time the tournament is held,” Abbas said.

    Wasim also agreed that India could face problems this time because their players were fatigued after a long tough season.
    “In such a tournament it is very difficult to maintain a long winning streak and you need to be fresh for the challenge,” he added.

    The two, however, had different opinions about runners-up Pakistan’s chances in the upcoming tournament.

    Abbas felt Pakistan had only a distant chance to claim the coveted trophy.

    “I would love to see Pakistan win but the fact is that the World Cup is being held in different conditions and it will be very tough,” said Abbas, known as black Bradman.

    However, Akram tipped Pakistan as favourites to win the final because he felt bowling was their strength and suitable for the English conditions.

    “And they have a very good track record in T20 cricket. But more then anything I believe our bowling is strong and ideal for the English conditions and pitches,” the former fast bowler said.

    “I don’t think any other team has so much variety and experience in their bowling line-up,” he added.

    Pakistan’s coach Intikhab Alam also agreed with Akram that Pakistan were among favourites to win the title.

    “We will be relying a lot on our spinners. Because in T20 cricket I believe more than the fast bowlers, the bowlers who can mix up their pace and balls are more successful. And we have some very good quality spinners and options available to us,” he said.

    But Intikhab agreed that Pakistan would face a big challenge in trying to lift their fielding standards in the mega event.

    “Fielding is crucial in this form of the game and in the conditioning camp and practice matches we have been laying lot of stress on our fielding drills and also watching videos of other teams,” the former Test captain said.

  137. #137 by Aamir Iqbal on May 24, 2009 - 4:06 PM

    I agree that India are favourites ! They have Sewhag,Yuvraj,MS Dhoni, Irfan Pathan

  138. #138 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 6:52 PM

    No role in Bugti killing: Musharraf

    ISLAMABAD (Agencies) – Former President Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf has denied any role in the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti. He also maintained that he will live in Pakistan and keep visiting abroad.
    In an interview with a private TV channel, Musharraf said he was satisfied with the security at his residence in Chak Shahzad. He disclosed that he had purchased a flat in London, adding that he was in London for lectures and interviews and it did not mean that he had left Pakistan for good. “I will live permanently in Chak Shahzad,” he added.
    He also rejected allegation of acquiring electricity on cheap prices, maintaining that he was not involved in any illegal act.
    Replying to another question, he said Ch Shujaat Hussain and Ch Pervaiz Elahi were his friends and he still meets them. He denied accusations of rigging elections as baseless.

  139. #139 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 7:03 PM

    Top 10 run scorers in IPL 2009:

    Hayden
    Gilchrist
    AB Devilliers
    Raina
    Dilshan
    Duminy
    Gibbs
    Hodge
    Tendulkar
    Kallis

    Interesting combination of clean hitters and orthodox middle order batsmen.

  140. #140 by Awas on May 24, 2009 - 7:59 PM

    As I thought Deccans would win (comment 152) and they have…

  141. #141 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 24, 2009 - 8:21 PM

    Abdul you are agree or not agree bakaoz what you say is very confusing, you are responding to the report which says INDIA NO FAVOURITES TO DEFEND WORLD T2O TITLE and those who say this are Zaheer Abbas and Wasim Akram and you say I AM AGREE THAT INDIA ARE FAVOURITES.

    I dona dona anderstan what you say in your English, in other other words I am agree that I don’t anderstand you.

    Btw, wasn’t Wasim Akram who said a month ago when he was in India that “India are favourites to win the World Cup?” How come he changed his statement now? Jaisa Des Vaisa Bhes? Or in “Rome Do As The Romanians Do.” 😉

  142. #142 by khansahab on May 24, 2009 - 9:08 PM

    RBS T20 Cup starts from tomorrow in Pakistan.

    Younis leading Peshawar, Akhtar leading Islamabad, Malik leading Sialkot, Afridi leading Karachi, Misbah leading Faislabad and Akmal leading Lahore.

    All top stars are playing in this Cup.

    Geo Super will televise it across the world. Link will be posted tomorrow. Matches start 4am UK time on Monday.

    List of fixtures:

    http://content.cricinfo.com/pakistandomestic/content/series/405029.html?template=schedule

  143. #143 by Awas on May 24, 2009 - 10:10 PM

    Geo Super will televise it across the world

    I don’t think there is a Geo Super in UK…is there?

  144. #144 by Salman Khan on May 24, 2009 - 10:20 PM

    did I miss it or has there not been any comment on Mr Akhtar’s Jawani Ki Gandi Aadaton Ka Natija.

  145. #145 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 12:34 AM

    Omer

    What, you repeated my opening sentence? There is no fun in that man 🙂 Imitation is the sincerent form of flattery, or so they say 🙂

    It would have been better to say, “I am agree with you”.

    I will have to I am agree to I am disagree with you regarding Yousuf’s running, because he has a habit of not looking at his partner when he runs, and he starts panting very quickly. Not a fit player. Not a six-hitter as well, so I don’t see him performing in T20. You can say he overcomes his fielding weakness with his batting, or there is another way or eliciting the situation which is that if he scores 25 runs in T20 but gives 10 runs away because of poor running and throwing in the field, his net utility is 15 runs which is not impressive.

    Do you remember we had this debate before the Australian series, where I said Ahmed Shahzad may be talented but he is no Miandad or Tendulkar (as in, as they were at age 16)?. That is exactly what happened. He is “talented”, yes, no doubt but he didn’t do anything extraordinary with that talent on his debut. I said he needs experience, so I am not discounting the possibility of him becoming better as time progresses. However talented or not, his selection was very mysterious and not based on merit or good domestic form.

    I know you follow this argument very rigidly that domestic performance should not be an indicator as to how a player will perform internationally, but what you should also appreciate is that domestic form should dictate WHETHER A PLAYER SHOULD GET CHANCES and HOW MANY chances a player should get to prove himself. Also, saying Malik is a good domestic player but cannot be a good international player, is a very black-and-white statement because shades of grey are being ignored. Malik is a good T20 player, both in international cricket and domestic cricket (he was in the top 10 batsmen in the T20 WC 2007). He is not a Test level player in international cricket and at domestic level, he is not a good first class player (which I have said as well in my post no 167 above). He averages something like 29 in domestic 4 day games and other players in his own Sialkot side like Kamran Younis and Shahid Yousuf are more consistent and reliable than him.

    So in line with my above argument, on the basis of having a poor RBS One Day Cup, the performances of which were meant to decide the squad against Australia, Shahzad did not deserve to be selected and his place should have gone to Khalid Latif or Khurram Manzoor. Latif went berserk in that Cup avergaing 114 or something.

    You are right in spotting gaps in Australian talent. Apart from people like Warne and Ponting, Australia did not have great raw talent, as you would expect from countries like England and Australia where a player is not as talented as his Pakistani or Indian counterparts, but he benefits from professional coaching and advanced training from a very young age. People like Wasim Akram and Inzamam were flukes and players like them are not produced in every era necessarily. Same goes with Warne and Ponting. You will find this breed of exceptional players who were brilliant when they started, worldwide, like with Lara, Tendulkar, Waqar etc. I don’t think the system has much to do with the individual brilliances of Inzamams and Pontings. What drives them in inherent genius which would work under any system.

    Australia has gone through this period before as well when it has not been the no 1 side and people have started questioning its status. I am sure it will produce some quality players within the next 2 years or so. The Australian system is too good to fail. Ever since cricket has been played internationally, Australia has been a top 3 side. India, Australia and South Africa will now rule the cricket scene for a long while. The improvement in the Indian system can be seen from the way bowlers like Ishant Sharma, Praveen Kumar and Zaheer Khan have done well and from the way they are producing batsmen like Gambhir and Raina. Similarly, South Africa has developed this new breed of aggressive, super fit and mentally strong players.

    Pakistan is well behind but they still have a bunch of talented players who need to be utilised properly without politics or favouritism. If Pakistan can use a little bit of intelligence such as demote Younis Khan in ODI’s, make use of players like Fawad Alam, open with Afridi, and if they can stop wasting time and money on people like Shoaib Akhtar, they can become a top 3 side.

  146. #146 by Aamir Iqbal on May 25, 2009 - 8:21 AM

    Awas : ” Geo Super will televise it across the world”

    “I don’t think there is a Geo Super in UK…is there? ”

    Man forget about that tournament . The pitches will be pancake flat turfs. Watch the T20 county competition in England. It’s being televised live on sky and the matches are much more close and competitive than anywhere else in the world. Also many Pakistani players are featuring such as Yasir Arafat,Rana Naved,Azhar Mahmood, Danish Kaneria, Imran Tahir etc.Furthermore it shall provide u with a valuable insight for the conditions in the forthcoming T20 WC. To be frankly honest I feel the quality of cricket is better in this county tournament than the IPL.

  147. #147 by Aamir Iqbal on May 25, 2009 - 8:42 AM

    I disagree about Yousuf not being a T20 candidate. He has a touch of elegance and style to his batting. Remember that time when he hit 4,4,4 in his first 3 balls of the ICL ! Batting with high class. He can play that anchor role and finish the job in chasing situations. I believe u can’t just have estatic flamboyance such as Imran Nazir and Afridi throughout your batting order as u require some batting stability which Yousuf provides.

  148. #148 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 9:52 AM

    Abdul

    He hit 3 consecutive 4’s but was out on the 4th ball. When Yousuf hits a century we also see ecstatic flamboyance from him? Why are you only limiting ecstatic flamboyance to Imran Nazir?

    Abdul

    Poor Omer is innocent in this business and he has never sent me a naked picture or sex video. Stop tainting his name and tainting the vision before our eyes. Omer is a real world player, he is the real deal. He knows what purpose women serve, he has a no nonsense approach to women and he wants to show them their place. You gotta respect his guts.

    I am agree,

    Why are you instructing Awas to forget the Pakastan T20 tournament? Are you aware the quality of Pakistan domestic T20 is very good? You should see some matches and you will see some very good players.

    Omer

    Good argument- I do not am disagree.

    They need to give Fawad Alam a fair chance.

  149. #149 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 9:56 AM

    Awas

    Geo TV usually shows the domestic cricket Geo Super shows, in the UK. In any event I will get a link and also check whether Geo Tv is showing the matches.

  150. #150 by Awas on May 25, 2009 - 10:00 AM

    “…he [Yousaf] has a habit of not looking at his partner when he runs

    khansahab not only that, even though Inzi had a bad reputation of running himself out because of his lazy demeanor, Yousaf has run more partners out than Inzi and mostly because of his “habit of not looking”.

  151. #151 by Awas on May 25, 2009 - 10:15 AM

    It looks like Sialkot Stallions are going to have an easy victory over Karachi Zebras

  152. #152 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 10:16 AM

    Awas

    Yes that is true and good point. However Omer will pay no heed to the fact that statistically Yousuf is a worse runner between the wickets than Inzi, because Omer does not believe in numbers 🙂

  153. #153 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 10:19 AM

    Musharraf goes to Prague to deliver defence lecture

    LONDON: Former Pakistan president General (retd.) Pervez Musharraf left here on Sunday for Prague where he is scheduled to deliver a lecture at a defence-related think tank on May 27.

    Musharraf arrived here early last month after having travelled to China and Saudi Arabia on what is being described by his friends as a post-retirement extended holiday.

    He had taken a quick round trip to the US earlier this month to appear in a Fareed Zakria show on the CNN. He appeared in a David Frost show on Al Jazeera last month in London. He is expected to return to the US for a month-long lecture tour in September.

    In London, he is staying at the Richmond house of his old friend and long-standing bridge partner Brigadier Niaz.

    Some of his close friends here said that he was looking around to buy a flat in central London, preferably around Edgware Road area where most of the property is owned by Arabs and where a two-bed room flat costs around pounds 500,000 to pounds 700,000. Others said that he was looking for a villa in Chelsea where the property was worth between £2 million to £5 million.

    But sources not very close to Musharraf, claiming to be well informed about his activities in London, say that he has already bought a flat in the Edgeware Road neighbourhood where Interior Minister Rehman Malik also has his flat which was the venue of the signing of the historic Charter of Democracy between the late Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.

    Former British prime minister Tony Blair lives in the same neighbourhood.

    Musharraf and former first lady Sehba Musharraf have a personal staff of around 10 persons, including an in-service Colonel and a Major.

    His close friends insist that he has no intention of settling down in the UK. But his detractors are convinced that he has no plans of going back home, at least until the retirement of Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.
    His PR in the UK is being looked after by the son of former PIA managing director Aslam R. Khan.

    One of his old friends, a former air force officer Zafar Iqbal, is said to have approached a number of well-informed persons to get an idea about the various possibilities in store for Musharraf on his return home.

    The former president is said to be spending most of his time in London playing bridge, sight-seeing and partying within a close-knit circle.

    Earlier this month he is said to have met a number of his friends from Pakistan at a party hosted by Hafeez Pirzada. Those who attended the party included former prime minister Shaukat Aziz and former interim prime minister Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi. Anwar Pervez of the Bestways and other well-known British tycoons of Pakistani origin are also said to be his regular hosts.

  154. #154 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 10:23 AM

    Awas

    The real competition is between Karachi Dolphins (Fawad Alam, Afridi, Sohail Khan), Lahore Lions (Akmal etc), Peshawar Panthers (Younis etc), Faisalabad Wolves (Misbah, Ajmal etc) and Islamabad Leopards (Akhtar, Tanvir etc).

    Sialkot Stallions is the best team, with Malik, Imran Nazir etc.

  155. #155 by Awas on May 25, 2009 - 10:29 AM

    Without revealing my own sources, now that the news is out, it is true that Musharraf has already bought a 4 bed flat (not a two bed) in the Edgware Road neighbourhood. Tony Blair lives in the same neighbourhood too.

  156. #156 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 10:33 AM

    LOL Choudhary came to power again because of Nawaz Sharif with the objective of “punishing” Musharraf and playing politics.

    What legality! It was all politics intertwined with ethnicity.

  157. #157 by Awas on May 25, 2009 - 10:39 AM

    khansahab

    I would rather phrase it as what ethnicity? It was all politics. I can confirm it with Mush if you like 🙂

  158. #158 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 10:42 AM

    Imran Nazir smashed 68 from 38 balls or something. Missed that innings!

  159. #159 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 10:58 AM

    I think the PML N spokesman Siddiq Farooq is either demented or does not know what he is talking about, below. He claims that every dictator has ordered a military operation against Pakistanis, from Ayub to Musharraf. He seems to have forgotten the genocidal Operation Clean Up that was lauched against Muhajirs by Dictator Mian Nawaz Sharif in 1992, which resulted in the death of thousands of Muhajirs.

    Of course, because they are not sons of the soil and they are not Punjabis, they will not get treated as being same as Punjabis and the others…..

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    Moot condemns extremism

    The participants of the Awami Tehrik’s (AT) National Conference on Sunday approved several resolutions and also ensured their support to the government against extremism. The theme of the conference was ”National and democratic question in Pakistan and ways and means for uprooting terrorism and lawlessness”.

    Barrister Aitzaz Ashan, Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML-N) spokesman Siddiqul Farooq, leaders and representatives of Sindhi nationalist parties, and economic groups were the participants of the day-long conference.

    One resolution was passed in which the participants condemned the mobilisation of the Taliban. They said that the lives and property of the common people were in danger and the government should take measures to safeguard them.

    The participants also opposed the migration of people from Swat, Dir, Malakand and other affected areas to other provinces, especially Sindh. They demanded of the government to make arrangements for displaced persons in the NWFP. “There presence in any province might create a law and order situation as Sindh is already flooded with non-Sindhis,” they said.

    They strongly condemned the military operation in Balochistan and expressed their solidarity with the Baloch community. They also demand that governmental bodies like National Finance Committee should be made proactive to initiate a dialogue between the federation and the provinces.

    “There is no alternative to democracy and the country needs revolutionary reforms to combat the current scenario,” Aitazaz Ashan told the participants. Every part of the country should be treated equally treated to avoid the situation we see today in Swat and other affected areas,” he said.

    The declaration of provincial autonomy would save the country and it would help it emerge from the recent crisis, he further said.

    Sindh United Party (SUP) President Jalal Mahmood Shah said that Pakistan was a multicultural country and sovereignty at provincial level as defined in the 1940s resolution was the solution to every problem.

    Sindh Taraqqi Pasand Party (STPP) leader Dr Qadir Magsi said that new social contacts among the masses and political parties were required to overcome issues. He said that the country was being run along wrong policy lines since 1947.

    According to him, the situation now was the outcome of the policies adopted in the past. He urged changes in the policies as per the the requirements of the country rather than those of personal vested interests.

    Siddiqul Farooq said that previous election results were a clear verdict against extremism and were in support of real democracy in the country. From Ayub Khan to Perwez Musharraf, every dictator had used military against his own people, he said.

    He added that democracy would solve every problem and it was necessary that no further disturbance in this process occurred. The dictators had damaged the Constitutions of the country and all problems had been arising from this, he further said.

    AT head Rasool Bux Palejo said that Pakistan went in the wrong direction during its early days and it happened due to poor foreign policies. “Jinnah defined the certain frame of principles but the rulers adopt policies against it,” he added.

    He said that Jinnah wanted Islamic principles in the country not Mullah’s Shariah (rules set by religious scholars).

    Ayub Sher, party member of Sindh National Front (SNF), Rauf Sasuli of Jamhoori Watan Party, Ishaque Baloch of National Party, Abid Hasan Minto from the National Workers Party, Abdul Rahim Mandukhel of Pakhtoonkhwa Milli Awami Party, Azhar Jatoi of Sindh Hari Party, and others also spoke on the occasion.

  160. #160 by Awas on May 25, 2009 - 11:13 AM

    khansahab

    Muhajirs are as much “sons of the soil” as any other Pakistani. As a matter of fact they are more patriotic.

    Some would say it wasn’t “genocidal Operation Clean Up” it was establishing writ of the government and imposing law and order like what they are doing in Swat now. It is condemnable what happened then in Karachi but there are always different debatable angles to look at a situation.

  161. #161 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 11:26 AM

    Awas

    Every Muhajir you will speak to in Karachi has lost a relative or friend in these military operations. Also, the majority of people that were killed in these operations were university students, the “brain bank” of the country. You can’t compare that to what is happening in Swat. I know some Punjabi people who have always been against this operation, mainly because innocent students were massacred and also because the scale of destruction was massive and disproportionate.

    The operation in Swat is happening because of powerful foreign players who are forcing the military to do it. That never happened in Karachi.

    Religious extremism threatens life, liberty. Look at how many lives religious extremists have taken over the years. In Karachi the issue was ethnicity, not religion.

    Imposing law and order on whom? Intellectuals? Like how the Army imposed law and order on Bengalis, so much so that Bengalis hate Pakistan and despite religious differences, they still treat India better? Not only are Bengalis more educated than Pakistanis, they are also more religious.

  162. #162 by Awas on May 25, 2009 - 11:57 AM

    khansahab

    Okay…okay, you made your point. I wasn’t supporting Mian Saab, I never have. What should have been a political solution was an unnecessary bloody conflict.

    As I said it is condemnable what happened then and some would argue it was imposing law and order situation. It may not be directly comparable to Swat but the reason behind what happened in Karachi then and now in regions like Swat may be different but, what I was saying was, what was being desired is the same as now and that is to establish law and order and the writ of the government.

    Destroying the “brain bank” was unforgiveable. However nefarious their desires may have been, it would still not bring the paindoo rule 🙂

  163. #163 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 11:58 AM

    This is the link for RBS Cup:

    http://www.justin.tv/rbspakistan

  164. #164 by Aamir Iqbal on May 25, 2009 - 1:19 PM

    WOW mr Imran Nazir quite incredible. He will be missed in the T20 WC but if PCB provides common logic certainly they shall be able to make a last minute adjustment of Nazir to be included.

    Majority of the ICL contracts have been released . Therefore the players are available for selection. Aren’t they ?

  165. #165 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 6:08 PM

    Omer

    I am talking about your adventures with the Latino girls in clubs, and the Latino girl whose elder sister lives in your flats or something.

    I meant to say you believe in action, not romanticism. I was praising you man!

  166. #166 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 8:11 PM

    PCB Prevents Akhtar From Playing Domestic Tournament

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    Karachi, May 25 (PTI) After dropping him the national squad for the Twenty20 World Cup, the Pakistan Cricket Board has now barred controversial fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar from playing in the national T20 tournament.
    A PCB official said they have informed the Islamabad Cricket Association that the fast bowler would be in violation of his central contract if he played in the national event despite a medial advice that he needs to rest for 10 to 12 days to recover from a skin infection.

    Shoaib, who was dropped from squad last week on fitness grounds, had intended to take on the authorities by leading the Islamabad team in the national championship.

    “The board has sent us the medical report and copy of the central contract which states a player playing against medical advice can be fined,” Shakil Sheikh, President of the Islamabad association told PTI.

    Shaoib was in Karachi last night for a function but he refused to comment on the issue though he admitted that being pulled out of the World T20 squad was disappointing.

    The International Cricket Council today allowed Pakistan to replace Shoaib with pacer Rao Iftikhar who will now be going to England. PTI

  167. #167 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 8:17 PM

    Quotes from Musharraf’s interview with PJ Mir on ARY:

    “The only message I can give to Pakistanis is to take Pakistan forward….there is nothing else I can say”

    “There is extremism in our society. We have to get rid of it. You saw extremism in Lal Masjid. It takes us backwards. Extremism is present in cities”

    “I am doing these lectures to raise awareness of Pakistan amongst outsiders. All they want to know about is extremism and terrorism. They don’t want to know about anything else.”

  168. #168 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 8:21 PM

    Hafeez helps Faisalabad crush Quetta

    Cricinfo staff

    May 25, 2009

    Group A

    Mohammad Hafeez’s all-round display helped Faisalabad Wolves crush Quetta Bears by 101 runs at the Lahore City Cricket Association Ground. Quetta captain Taimur Ali must have been ruing his decision to field first as openers Hafeez and Qaiser Iqbal provided Faisalabad a rousing start. Confident strokeplay saw the opening stand race to 155. Hafeez was the first to fall, having stroked 74 off 72 balls, including ten boundaries. Qaiser departed soon after having managed a 76-ball 80, comprising 12 fours and a six, but it was Naved Latif’s late cameo that lifted Faisalabad to 218.

    During the reply, Shoaib Khan jnr’s 55 looked threatening for Faisalabad but once Ali Raza sent him back, Quetta collapsed like a house of cards. Mohammad Hafeez cleaned up the middle order to finish with impressive figures of 4-1-5-3. Raza, too, picked up three, as Quetta finished on a disappointing 117 for 8.

    Jahangir Mirza, the offspinner, led a combined bowling effort – each of the Lahore Lions bowlers took at least a wicket each – to limit Rawalpindi Rams to 135 for 9, and set the stage for a resounding eight-wicket win at the Gaddafi Stadium. Awais Zia resisted with 43, but received little support from the other end.

    Mirza (2 for 16) was supported well by Abdul Razzaq (2 for 28) and the Lahore batting was equally dominant. Openers Ahmed Shehzad (28) and Nasir Jamshed (32) led the reply with a brisk 64-run stand before Salman Butt (30*) and Umar Akmal (39* off just 20 balls) ended the proceedings with more than five overs to spare.

    Group B

    Imran Nazir struck a whirlwind, unbeaten 68 to help Sialkot Stallions beat Karachi Zebras comprehensively by eight wickets and more than seven overs to spare at the Gaddafi Stadium. Nazir struck six fours and five sixes, and was well supported by Tahir Mughal (42) in a stand of 96 for the second wicket, as Sialkot breezed through in pursuit of 134.

    Their job had been made easier by a collective bowling display, as Sialkot captain Shoaib Malik (3 for 25) combined with medium-pacer Kashif Daud (2 for 32) and left-arm spinner Abdur Rehman (2 for 15) to bowl out Karachi for a chaseable score. Karachi captain Faisal Iqbal, Fahad Iqbal and wicketkeeper Javed Mansoor got starts but failed to consolidate.

    Group C

    Fayyaz Ahmed’s quickfire half-century stole the thunder from yet a sparkling knock from Younis Khan as Islamabad Leopards made easy work of Peshawar Panthers at Gaddafi Stadium. Opting to bat, captain Younis gave Peshawar the much-needed momentum after they had lost their openers cheaply. His 70 off 46 balls was a masterful innings comprising six fours and two sixes. Sajjad Ahmed gave him able support with 38 off 34 balls as Peshawar finished on 152 for 4.

    Afaq Raheem gave Islamabad a breezy start during the reply, scoring 41 off the 47 runs by the fifth over. But even as Islamabad lost both their openers, it was Fayyaz who took them to victory in the 18th over with his 46-ball 58, studded with nine fours and a six.

    Group D

    Lahore Eagles held their nerve to seal a tight seven-wicket win over Abbottabad Rhinos at the Lahore City Cricket Association Ground. They were helped by crucial contributions from each of their top three as they chased down 137 with two balls to spare. Opener Abid Ali made a relatively patient 42, and was supported well by both Ahmed Dar (34) and Azhar Ali (40), notching up half-century partnerships with each of them. Yasir Shah took two wickets, but Khaqan Arsal made an unbeaten 16 to see his team through.

    Abbottabad limped to their score, squandering a comfortable position at 50 for 1. Wicketkeeper Mir Azam (28) and captain Adnan Raees (35) added 48 for the second wicket, but proceeded very slowly. Their team slipped once they departed, Azhar Ali – who starred in an allround display – taking 2 for 21, and posted an inadequate total.

  169. #169 by khansahab on May 25, 2009 - 11:47 PM

    Omer

    I will probably never see that Polish girl again. I just went to that takeaway twice and saw her. I never saw the Polish girl in a sexual way, make fun of it if you find it amusing. Her prettiness evoked my sympathy but not sexual desire.

    It is not to say that I am not tempted to experience Beauty and Happiness and Excitement, but there are certain other considerations that are taking priority.

    There is a hijaab waali in my law school and she is a proper hijaab waali, meaning she is religious and does not wear it for the sake of fashion. Now there is something about her that turns me on, she is always covered, but something about her face and body is very hot (pretty face and perfect body). If there was anyone I would like to do, it would be her. But the way she is, I would be very lucky just to even hold hands with her and I would not like to even think about ravaging her sexual abstinence. That I think like this about a hijaab wali too, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

  170. #170 by Aamir Iqbal on May 26, 2009 - 7:49 AM

  171. #171 by Aamir Iqbal on May 26, 2009 - 7:51 AM

    Khansahab,what team does Yasir Shah play for ? I would like to see him in action . Who is playing today and at what time ?

  172. #172 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 9:32 AM

    Abdul

    The rumour of Lara converting to Islam has already been reported on LS last week.

    But I am thank you for doing it one more time.

  173. #173 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 10:21 AM

    Omer

    I’m only familiar with a headscarf which is commonly known as “hijab” in the UK, and a jilbab which is usually worn by Africans, which covers the whole body; it’s like a long frock.

    I think hijaab has many meanings which is what you are referring to.

    This girl just wears a headscarf, usually she is wearing a coat on top of shirt and jeans. She is also usually very simple, just wears kaajal.

    I think the reason why I don’t approach goris is because I don’t find that vitality on their faces which I do on Pakistani girls. Most goris without make up look dull, although some of them are very attractive. If I do ever go out with a gori she will have to respect me for my beliefs and culture, like how I will respect hers. Otherwise a casual relationship just based on physical attraction and sex is like going to a prostitute. What is the difference?

    That is what I don’t want, if I am spending time and money on someone at least they should respect me for what I am. There is so much racism and Islamophobia here in the UK that goreys want to distance themselves from Muslims. In USA it’s very different.

  174. #174 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 10:26 AM

    Gilchrist’s captaincy made the difference: Afridi

    It was Adam Gilchirst’s sensible and aggressive captaincy that changed the fortunes of the Deccan Chargers in IPL-II, Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi said on Tuesday.

    Chargers, who had finished seventh last year, crowned themselves champion in the second edition by defeating Royal Challengers Bangalore in the final on Sunday.

    Afridi, who played for Chargers in the inaugural edition, had sparked off a big controversy last year with his suggestion that Gilchrist should replace VVS Laxman as captain of Chargers.

    Afridi said his viewpoint now stand vindicated though he never had anything personal against Laxman.

    “People misunderstood what I wanted to say. I never meant any disrespect to Laxman who is a top Test player. But I just felt that his captaincy was not aggressive enough for T20 cricket.

    “Laxman’s captaincy was one of the reasons for the team not doing well in the first year. One can see the difference that Gilchrist brought to the team as captain.

    “Gilchrist is one of the best captains I have seen. He leads from the front. He is strong enough to take sensible and aggressive decisions in pressure situations and his backing of the younger players was very impressive.

    “This was more or less the same team that played last year. But the captaincy made a big difference to the team Afridi said.

    Afridi told reporters though he was disappointed that he could not play for his side this year, he was very happy that the chargers had come from bottom to win the IPL and proved everyone wrong.

    Afridi couldn’t take part in the IPL this season due to advice from the Pakistan government that players should not travel to India because of tense relations between the two countries after the Mumbai terror strikes.

    The IPL, however, was later shifted to South Africa but by that time it was too late for the Pakistani players to get into their franchises for the second edition of the tournament with many teams either suspending or terminating contracts of their Pakistani players.

  175. #175 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 10:37 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Ifthikar Choudhary’s Supreme Court removes ban on Sharif brothers. They are now free to contest elections.

    Coincidence?

  176. #176 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 11:56 AM

    http://www.justin.tv/rbspakistan

    For those who have any doubts about Fawad Alam’s batting, please see the above link and see what he is doing.

    He just flicked an outside off short ball to midwicket for four, Tendulkar style. And then he 2 fours in a row. He is timing the ball so well that he doesn’t need to run for anything.

  177. #177 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 12:27 PM

    Fawad Alam out on 70 from 35 balls.

    Great innings.

    I’d like to see Misbah and Malik bettering that.

  178. #178 by Theossa on May 26, 2009 - 1:22 PM

    Great batting by Fawad and Khalid, go Dolphins. I think they will win the RBS T20 because they look to be the most balanced team.

  179. #179 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 2:35 PM

    Theossa

    They always look like they will win but Sialkot edge them out. Sialkot play with a lot of unity, the team spirit is unbelievable.

    Fawad was again the star, batted superbly and then took 2 wickets and also effected a run out.

    Afridi was in good batting form. Sohail Khan was good, quick and aggressive and Khalid Latif hit some good sixes. Although I don’t like Latif’s technique, I don’t think he is international level yet.

  180. #180 by Awas on May 26, 2009 - 2:42 PM

    khansahab

    Rest assured…I don’t think anyone on LS had any doubts about Fawad Alam. Can you name one? Even well before this innings you had convinced us all that he is a good find. And seriously, you get full credit for that. Now I’m waiting for the time when Theossa and I will get credit for Younus. 🙂

  181. #181 by Mohammed Munir on May 26, 2009 - 2:54 PM

    LOL @ Awas.

    Yeah, no one can say anything against Fawad 😉

  182. #182 by Theossa on May 26, 2009 - 3:00 PM

    Awas the Wise Wizard

    Fawad is like a fast rabbit that prances here and there and sprints from one place to another. Younis on the other hand is like an elephant, a slow monster that crushes everything in its way 😀

    You watch this elephant will surprise everyone in T20 WC by his recently learned circus moves, especially the ever skeptical Khansahab the POLISHED Khan, Javed Ameer-ul-Khanadari, Munir Muska.

    The only learned cricketer here is Aamir Iqbal so his opinion will matter the most in that regard.

  183. #183 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 3:35 PM

    Awas

    Munir sahab had plenty of doubts about Fawad. He just said that no one can say anything against Fawad, but he forgot to add that no one should say anything against Fawad because they will be proven wrong.

    🙂

    Theossa,

    Agreed Younis is doing well in this RBS Cup. He is the only good batsman in his team. In fact when playing for Pakistan he is the ONLY Test calibre batsman.

  184. #184 by khansahab on May 26, 2009 - 6:56 PM

    Razzaq century powers Lahore Lions to big win

    Cricinfo staff

    May 26, 2009

    Group A

    A blistering century from captain Abdul Razzaq gave Lahore Lions their second win as they beat Quetta Bears by 74 runs at the Gaddafi Stadium. Razzaq, who came in at No.3, took a couple of overs to settle in and then opened up, smashing eight fours and as many sixes in his innings of 109. The blitz included 28 runs off an Irfan Ismail over that helped propel Lahore to 214 for 6. Razzaq received excellent support from Salman Butt (31), and Nasir Jamshed (58), with whom he added 162 for the third wicket, as Lahore batted Quetta out of the match.

    Quetta, in response, were never in a position to scale down such a massive target, struggling to 24 for 3 at one stage. Their captain Taimur Ali resisted with 42, and wicketkeeper Bismillah Khan chipped in with 26 to help them recover somewhat, but a good bowling display saw them finish on a disappointing 140 for 9. As a result, Quetta find themselves at the bottom of the Group A table with two successive defeats.

    Mohammad Hafeez was the star for Faisalabad Wolves yet again as they beat Rawalpindi Rams by 27 runs at the Lahore City Cricket Association Ground. Hafeez boosted Faisalabad to a challenging score of 170, stroking an unbeaten 79 off 56 balls including 11 fours. Not that Rawalpindi were without a chance. They had restricted the opposition to 21 for 3, but Hafeez was supported ably by Khurram Shehzad, who made a 51-ball 65 to help his team recover. Sohail Tanvir was impressive, taking 3 for 24 but his efforts were in vain.

    In their reply, Rawalpindi faltered from the outset, losing wickets at frequent intervals. Opener Naved Malik threatened with a quickfire 50, smashing seven fours and two sixes, but was short of support from the other end. Hafeez did the damage once again, taking 3 for 14 to take his team to the top of the Group A table.

    Group B

    A 118-run opening stand between Babar Ali (58) and Sohaib Maqsood (59) laid the foundation for Multan Tigers’ successful run-chase against Karachi Zebras at the Lahore City Cricket Association Ground.

    Karachi had posted a competitive score of 158, thanks to half-centuries from Shahzaib Hasan and Fahad Iqbal. They were comfortably placed at 140 for 2, but lost their way a little, losing four wickets for 18 runs. Kashif Naved, the left-arm fast bowler, took 3 for 20, and played an important role in stemming the flow of runs.

    Babar and Maqsood led the reply with the latter being the more aggressive. Multan’s job was made easier by an 18-ball 30 from Rizwan Haider who struck two sixes and a four to complete the job, and hand Multan their first win. Karachi, on the other hand, have lost two in two.

    Group C

    Hyderabad Hawks opened their account in the RBS Twenty20 Cup at the Gaddafi Stadium with a comfortable eight-wicket win against Peshawar Panthers, who suffered their second consecutive defeat in as many days. Peshawar fell away after a good start, to post 148, and the target was easily overhauled thanks to Faisal Athar’s unbeaten 55 and Azeem Ghumman’s steady 40.

    Peshawar were in a good position to post a bigger score when they were at 86 for 1 in the 12th over. The top three, including captain Younis Khan, made starts but couldn’t push on. Hyderabad too got off to a good start, with their openers adding 61 in eight overs. Faisal, walking in at No.3, hit three sixes and six fours in his 37-ball knock. Rizwan Ahmed joined him in an unbeaten stand of 74 to help Hyderabad finish the formalities.

    Group D

    Half-centuries from captain Khalid Latif and Fawad Alam boosted Karachi Dolphins to a formidable score, one that they were able to defend comfortably against Abbottabad Rhinos – who lost their second consecutive game – at the Gaddafi Stadium. Karachi piled on 209 as Latif blasted a 50-ball 81, and added 106 with Fawad, who was equally ruthless, smashing 11 fours in his knock of 70.

    Abbottabad were dented early in their innings, Mohammad Sami striking twice in the third over to remove the openers, though captain Adnan Raees and Fawad Khan did stage a recovery with a 61-run stand. However, it proved inadequate as Fawad chipped in with two wickets to remove both of them, and produced a run-out to seal a convincing 52-run win.

  185. #185 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 2:07 AM

    khansahab, thanks for the updates on Pak domestic cricket, which I seldom follow and thats what makes you yards ahead of others or should I say head and shoulders above others when you discuss the performances of the junior players or analyze their scores.

    Now, I am waiting for the WC and wanna keep my fingers cross that ‘rain Gods’ in England don’t dominate the scene. Whatever the cost of the package would be I am sure gonna buy it. And whichever match I may not be able to see LIVE, I will record it on my PVR.

    I think you have posted that Afridi walay comments in which he is buttering Gilchrist’s rear side that he is a good captain. Actually he is trying to clarify that Laxman is not a bad player but he is not the right choice for captaincy and he emphasized on “aggression” by saying the captain needs to be aggressive. Whereas, in his own team he is being diplomatic by not saying that Younus Khan is a defensive captain or Malik was a negative captain. KHAIR, the point is, last year’s winning captain was Warne this year’s winning captain of the IPL is Gilly. So, what does it prove? I would like to hear the responses on this question.

  186. #186 by Mohammed Munir on May 27, 2009 - 10:46 AM

    Javed Khan …

    “I think you have posted that Afridi walay comments in which he is buttering Gilchrist’s rear side that he is a good captain”.

    Actually, last year after the IPL was over, Afridi said something about Laxman’s, ‘not-upto-mark’, Captaincy and so with his above comments he is just trying to clarify his own point of view and impress on what he said last time. If you remember, during the last IPL, Gili was made Captain toward the end of tournament as Luxman got injured (or may be he was just pretending to be injured after their pathetic performances), so when Gili was captaining the Deccan Chargers, he even made Afridi sit out for 1 or 2 games, as Afridi was out of form, so there is no chance of Afridi buttering but rather stating the fact.

    Dar-Assal, Afridi is a Pathan Ka Bacha, and so buttering Gili’s rear is for obvious reasons 😉

    Secondly, last year it was Shane Warne and this it is Adam Gilchrist, so it proves that “money can’t buy you everything” 😆

    I mean, look at it, India have turned Cricket into a money-making industry with this IPL and ICL business, but they still can not produce even one good Captain of their own, which is not a very good situation to be in. Now next year they may make it conditional for all teams to have an Indian captain. Anyway, we all know well that being a good player is one part but being a good Captain is different, and Australians have proved that.

    Team India should seriously think about ‘buying’ an Australian to Captain their National side as well 😉

  187. #187 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 10:47 AM

    Fawad Alam out on 51 from 36 balls.

    You should have seen the way Lahore Eagles celebrated when he was out, like when a minnow team defeats Australia or something. They went berserk.

    They know the quality of this great player, even though Munir sahab does not. 🙂

  188. #188 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 11:18 AM

    Good match and well played Lahore Eagles. Eagles are one of the weakest teams and this is a great victory.

    Dolphins gave away too many runs because of Fawad Alam and Mohd Sami’s expensive bowling. And in batting they had 3 top players in Fawad, Hasan Raza and Afridi but Afridi did not click. Both Raza and Fawad, the best batsmen in the team, performed.

    Fawad was again the best batsman in the team. He is head and shoulders above the other Karachi players, in fact I would say he is world class level if the team management gives him confidence and fair chances.

  189. #189 by Awas on May 27, 2009 - 11:42 AM

    khansahab

    Eagles are one of the weakest teams”. That’s why I say T20 is a lottery. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if both India and Pakistan do not reach final at all this time and are out well before.

    Did they not celebrate in the same vein when they took someone like Afridi or Hasan Raza’s wickets?

  190. #190 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 11:49 AM

    This June contest is one which shall be watched with abundance of excitement around the globe. The dynamics of this T20 format has been a sporting revelation ever since its introduction in June 2003. The publicity and attraction this format has attracted has been resounding to say the least. Majority of encounters result in close tense climaxes. Additionally the duration is ideal for entertainment value. Therefore I would like to remark that this is where the games future lies. The combination of skill, uniqueness and intensity is there for one to express passion let it be playing or watching.

    Prediction: Should be a competitive and anticipated competition on the whole. India are the current holders and have the balance of experience and youth to go the distance. Also they have the captaincy enterprise enhanced by MS dhoni which proved influential in RSA 07.

  191. #191 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 11:51 AM

    Awas

    No, they did not. They were more controlled when they got Raza out and same for Afridi.

    In terms of batting Fawad is miles ahead of Raza and Afridi.

  192. #192 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 11:53 AM

    Abdul

    Wow, excellent analysis and I will have to am agree with Theossa about your enlightened opinion.

    Also when you say that it is an anticipated competition, I am totally in your agree because Pakistan want to take revenge on India for 2007’s defeat.

  193. #193 by Awas on May 27, 2009 - 12:04 PM

    Abdul

    Where did you copy your comment from?

  194. #194 by Awas on May 27, 2009 - 12:21 PM

    So far Abdul Razzaq’s performance with both bat and ball is really surprising. He has just taken two quick wickets.

    Since his bad run and pathetic performance under Inzi, I have not followed him but if his current form continues, wouldn’t it be fair to say that he should be noticed? Perhaps he is coming back to his best as he once was.

  195. #195 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 12:26 PM

    Awas

    Yeah, I noticed that too. He is in good form.

    I think he is one of those players that, either his batting and bowling, both do the trick or he does nothing at all.

  196. #196 by Awas on May 27, 2009 - 12:31 PM

    They must have given him his spinach back for him to munch 🙂

  197. #197 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 12:36 PM

    Awas What makes you think he copied it? It is coming straight from the Khargosh’s ass. 😀

    In any case, Abdul kay comments parh ker Wali Shaikh Peer nay Stratford-Upon-Avon may apni lahed may Kurvut lee hogi. He might have felt threatened kay “Kehtay hain kay Aglay Zamanay may koi Bull Bull bhee hoga….” Aur yahan LS per, Hum Naalay Bull Bull kay sunain aur Hamatun Gosh rehain…….aur woh humesha Khar Gosh rehay!

    Munir: Yae hoi na baat maoqa hath say na jai: Jaisay, Sardar ji ki Sardarun ka tawa garam thaa tou Pathan nay roti paka lee…tum nay bhee maoqa hath say jaanay na diya! Laikin, iss may Pathan ka Buccha hona koi zaroori nahee, in fact Pathan jab kisi ki rear side per buttering ker reha hota tou uska maqsad kuch aur hota hai.

    Anyways, your lambee Tamheed ka koi faida nahee bakaoz, I do remember the entire IPL politics of last year (including Bunder ko Thappar) and I do remember that Afridi was not in form at that time with his bowling and batting except for Tanvir’s bowling every single Pakistani player failed in IPL. I know that Afridi being a Moo-Phutt commented about Laxman’s captaincy which is the truth, Laxman had no clue about T20 or leading a team, he is one of those meek miskeens who follow the leader like a herd. And, that is why he is clarifying it…… i.e., just to clear the air, jiski koi zaroorat nahee thee and that’s why I wrote that comment.

    As regards captaincy even if they make it a condition which they will not, it is not going to change the reality i.e., at the international level iska koi farq nahee parna kion kay Sher ki Khall pahen nay say gadha sher nahee ho jaata.

  198. #198 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 12:42 PM

    “They must have given him his spinach back for him to munch”


    Phir tou uski “Olive” ki khair nahee!
    😀

  199. #199 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 12:48 PM

    Khansahab,Yes they will want to redeem themselves after that outrageous unbearable dismissal of Misbah. He held nerves of steel throughout the competition, getting his country over the line on numerous occasions but departed when it mattered most. Consequently he gifted team India champions from the jaws of defeat. Arguably the most painful moment in Pakistan cricket’s unpredictable history.

  200. #200 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 12:54 PM

    However had he pulled it off and executed the unorthodox invention better than just spooning it to fine leg it would have been a different story altogether. That would have been an overwhelming sight of achievement. Misbah would have been hailed a national hero !

  201. #201 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 1:01 PM

    Abdul

    Again spot on analysis. However, how can you predict something that has happened in the past? You said Pakistan cricket’s history is unpredictable. I think Pakistan cricket’s present and future is unpredictable, but the history is there in front of us.

    I may be wrong. Please correct me?

    Thumps up on Misbah’s great T20 batting though.

  202. #202 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 1:19 PM

    “Though I am a Pakistani, I practically live in India.” -Wasim Akram

    ——————————————————————————–

    There were no Pakistanis in the IPL but the former cricketer says he wanted Delhi to win the title

    “I won’t discuss IPL at all,” said Pakistani cricketer-turned-commentator Wasim Akram tersely, only to confess that he had rooted for saddi Delhi Daredevils in the recently-concluded Indian Premier League.

    The former Pakistan captain emphasised that he would speak only about “his tournament” the upcoming ICC World Twenty20 in England. He was in town to promote the same.

    Pace master: Wasim Akram in Delhi on Tuesday
    Akram fielded questions on T20, Indo-Pak relations and his much-maligned former colleague Shoaib Akhtar. Excerpts from a quick chat:

    Who has gained more from the IPL young players or the senior ones?
    In the long run, younger players will gain more from this form of cricket. Look how Manish Pandey (Royal Challengers) performed. However, one can’t negate the contribution of experienced players. Be it Adam Gilchrist, Anil Kumble, Rahul Dravid or Matthew Hayden everyone rose to the occasion.

    Do you regret missing out on Twenty20 cricket?
    I don’t regret not playing this format. Though, I feel I would have thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Who, according to you, are the front runners for the World T20 title?
    My obvious choice would be Pakistan, but then defending champion India are also hot favourites and so will be the mighty Australians.

    Is Pakistan as strong as it was during the 2007 edition of the World Cup?
    They are stronger. The team looked good in the recently-concluded series against the Aussies.

    Indo-Pak relations have hit an all-time low and the two nations’ cricket culture has been affected negatively…
    I am hoping this World Cup will revive the ties between the two countries. Personally, I want things to get better. Though I am a Pakistani, I practically live in India. When I am in Pakistan, people joke, ‘Arre aap Hindustan se aa gaye!’ Both countries are close to my heart and in the long run, I feel things will improve.

    What do you have to say about the recent controversy that has hit Shoaib Akhtar?
    I don’t know what happened. I have been in India for the last couple of weeks. Whatever I know of the issue is through media reports.

    Did the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) do the right thing by divulging sensitive details about Shoaib’s medical reports?
    There could have been a reason why the PCB decided to come out in the open. Shoaib Akhtar kuch karta hai ki kuch aisa hota hai. Termit his misfortune, Shoaib somehow ends up becoming controversy’s favourite child.

  203. #203 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 1:25 PM

    Two strong teams, Peshawar and Karachi, have been ousted from the tournament now.

    I think the main reason these teams did not play so well is because the team spirit is not as good as Sialkot and Lahore.

    In the Sialkot and Lahore teams, I observed the players are like brothers and everyone backs each other.

    Also, another problem with Karachi and Peshawar is that individual players are very good, but rest of the players are average.

    Younis and Gul in Peshawar, Afridi, Fawad, Hasan Raza and Sohail Khan in Karachi. But apart from that there is hardly anyone who can do something special.

  204. #204 by Theossa on May 27, 2009 - 1:32 PM

    Khansahab
    I can’t believe you could not understand the simple “unpredictable history” of Pakistan cricket. Abdul clearly meant Pakistan has been unpredictable in the past, hence had an unpredictable history, Dah!

    Btw, don’t buy into domestic tournaments; players do not give 100%, especially the national team bowlers. They would want to stay fit for the T20 WC. Also, the quality and condition of pitches in England will be different then what we have in Pak. It was interesting to note that all the national team batsmen shined in the RBS tournament. I bet Fawad is in the national team for T20 WC. I read the news that Saeed Ajma’s action is cleared by ICC. Good news for Pakistan.

    Awas

    Why did you question Abdul’s integrity by asking if that post was his? If he is 17 it don’t mean he is not smart enough to analyze intelligently. How many times Abdul has to prove himself? He has been talking about Imran Nazir’s talent for years and just recently you guys on LS acknowledged that fact. I’m greatly disappointed in you as I called you the Wise Wizard but I guess I was wrong. I thought you were a supporter of young talent.

    Javed

    I have a question for your comment# 244,

    In any case, Abdul kay comments parh ker Wali Shaikh Peer nay Stratford-Upon-Avon may apni lahed may Kurvut lee hogi. He might have felt threatened kay “Kehtay hain kay Aglay Zamanay may koi Bull Bull bhee hoga….” Aur yahan LS per, Hum Naalay Bull Bull kay sunain aur Hamatun Gosh rehain…….aur woh humesha Khar Gosh rehay

    What?

  205. #205 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 3:48 PM

    Imran Nazir 60 of 29 balls. Outstanding stroke play.Utter dominance ! Sialkot Stallions will win the RBS T20 09.

  206. #206 by Awas on May 27, 2009 - 4:26 PM

    Theossa

    Yeah you are right…so my commiserations to Mr Abdul…Ooops I meant to say apologies. However, only Abdul can tell us honestly which newspaper was he reading when he wrote that comment.

    If only Abdul had been as vehement supporter of Imran Nazir as khansahab is for Fawad Alam then he could have converted me too.

    By the way, this “Olive” thing went over my head too. Theossa, I thought you are good at deciphering like you can with Abdul?

  207. #207 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 4:36 PM

    I emphasise my point on what an astonishing exhibition we saw from Imran Nazir today. The way he charged the bowlers and cleared the boundaries with ease was quite remarkable. Also he frequently lofted the ball over the wicket kepeers head to claim boundaries. This was expertise and ruthlessness. Simply why is he not is the Pakistan team ?

  208. #208 by Awas on May 27, 2009 - 4:42 PM

    Yeah, why is he [Imran Nazir] not in Pakistan team…why? Who can tell us?

    That reminds me also why the likes of Yousuf and Razzaq are not in the Pak team either?

  209. #209 by Theossa on May 27, 2009 - 4:58 PM

    Awas

    Yeah, why is he [Imran Nazir] not in Pakistan team…why? Who can tell us?

    Khansahab would say, because Imran Nazir is a Punjabi that don’t look like a Punjabi so hence ignored 😀

  210. #210 by Awas on May 27, 2009 - 5:03 PM

    Theossa

    I agree he [Imran Nazir] may not look like a Punjabi but he sure talks like one [paindoo].

    So why did I once wonder it had something to do with ICL. I have to admit my knowledge of cricket is quite elementary.

    Regards
    My Dear Watson

  211. #211 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 5:16 PM

    Theossa

    Imran Nazir is not in the team because he signed for ICL. It has nothing to do with Punjab.

    And I don’t say that being Punjabi is some qualification for automatic team selection. I say being Punjabi helps and being a non Punjabi does not help.

    And I actually think Imran Nazir looks like a Punjabi too.

  212. #212 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 5:30 PM

    “Imran Nazir is not in the team because he signed for ICL. It has nothing to do with Punjab”.

    His eye CL contract is over as is several other players. Therefore he is entitled 2 play 4 Pakistan. All the PCB have 2 do now is name them in the national side. In other words its in Usman’s father’s hands 2 decide.

    As Razzaq clarified in the aftermath presentation he is available 4 selection as shall be Imran Nazir,Rana,Yousuf,Farhat etc.

  213. #213 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 5:33 PM

    ADIL RASHID SHOULD BE IN ENGLAND’S ASHES LINE UP.

    agree or disagree ? I am agree.

  214. #214 by Theossa on May 27, 2009 - 5:34 PM

    Khansahab

    LOL, I think only Awas got the joke as he had posted a sarcastic yet funny reply. I was expecting some smartass comments from you but I think you are too worried about the Red Hot Sialkot Satllions 😀

  215. #215 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 5:35 PM

    THEOSSA, did u read post 9 ?

  216. #216 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 5:41 PM

    Theossa

    I was joking too actually, but with a very straight face 🙂 I knew what you meant.

    Abdul

    Adil Rashid? Decent bat-man and good bowler. So my vote is Adil, so I am agree.

  217. #217 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 6:03 PM

    Awas:

    Popeye The Sailor Man, eats spinach, yae tou tumko pata hee hai right? And whenever he opens and eat that can of spinach he gets immense power jaisay Hulk ….. Abdul azzaq, after his spinach eating episode in Australia fainted and was hospitalized and since then he is known as Popeye The Sailor Man…..Poo Poo. Now, if you have seen that cartoon, don’t you remember his wife or girlfriend whoever she is, her name is Olive, jiskay patlay patlay hath and patlee patlee tangain hain, whereas Popeye’s fore-arms are bigger and stronger than her thighs.

    In other words she is very nazuk and my hint was for Razzak’s Olive, kay uski ab khair nahee! Anyways, you are not the only one who is “unfused” at my dark sense of humour.

    Theossa, hazaar bataon ka ek sawal ya ek jawab tou ho nahee sakta…… Laikin… I will try to explain that to you.

    That whole paragraph was meant to confuse that Bull Bull who copy pasted that comment jisko Awas nay bhee doubt kiya and asked him where did he copy that comment from? Khair, Wali Shaikh Peer = William Shakespeare and you know why Strathford-Upon-Avon is famous? If not shame on you. 🙂 And, Lahed is a salees Urdu word for grave. The rest is Iqbal ki shayeri ki tiya pancha kiya hai.

    BTW

    I am also very much for Imran Nazir for every single T20 game.

  218. #218 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 6:07 PM

    Theossa

    Abdul asked you to read his comment number 9 so that you can add a 6 before that. In other words he wants a big PAT on his BACK from you. 😀

  219. #219 by Theossa on May 27, 2009 - 6:16 PM

    Javed

    My amigo, very very shame on me but I don’t know what the heck is “Strathford-Upon-Avon”? If it is one of those Shakespeare’s plays, sorry my major was Maths and his only play I know is “Romeo Juliet” because I watched that Leonardo Decaprio movie.

    Comprendio?

    Yeah, Abdul had a great selection in comment# 9. I especially agree with his captain selection 😀 He do know who promotes young talent on this blog and who is the most fair!

  220. #220 by Awas on May 27, 2009 - 6:22 PM

    Javed

    When I said: “They must have given him his spinach back for him to munch” that was a clear reference to ‘Popeye The Sailor’ or so I thought. No one else we know munches spinach 🙂 “very very shame on me” that I just couldn’t relate “Olive” to his wife…thanks for refreshing my memory!

  221. #221 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 7:51 PM

    Psychologist feels Pak can lift T20 World Cup

    ——————————————————————————–

    Karachi, May 27: Sports psychologist Maqbool Bari feels Pakistan players have the ability and confidence to win the ICC World Twenty20 if they play as a unit.

    Bari has been hired by the Pakistan Cricket Board to counsel the players as part of their preparations for the World Cup in England next month.

    He held one-to-one sessions last week on the sidelines of the practice matches in Lahore and will have a group sitting before the team leaves for England on Saturday.

    “Sports psychology is nowadays widely being used to motivate top athletes because when you compete at the top level there is always that underlying fear of failure at the back of the athlete`s mind that hampers his performance,” Bari said.

    “Some years back Mohammad Yousuf was going through a bad patch because he got scared of failures. I had a session with him and he went onto make loads of runs against South Africa and Bangladesh. That is how important sports psychology counselling is these days in top sports,” he added.

    He said during the one-on-one sessions with the players, he tried to remove all such fears of failure and motivate them to believe in themselves and build up confidence to handle the pressures of a World Cup.

    “When I meet with them again I will try to implant in their minds that cricket is a team game and everyone should play for each other and not for himself as an individual,” he said.

  222. #222 by Aamir Iqbal on May 27, 2009 - 8:03 PM

  223. #223 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 11:00 PM

    I hope Maqbool Bari is not Wasim Bari’s relative or whatever. Yeah, any team can win a lottery that is for sure but, I would say its not that easy. I have said this before it would be a tussle between, India, Pakistan, New Zealand and Australia. SA don’t have the temperament to play big games they are chokers. West Indies and England are the same as Sri Lanka.

    A lot of people say that India’s chances are not that bright because they are playing too much T20 and may be they will get exhausted. The exact opposite is Pakistan’s case, they have only played domestic T20 and they can also get exhausted if their opening batsmen fail to deliver. So, for Pakistan more than bowling it is their batting department that needs attention, especially the openers. Butt and Ahmad Shahzad should not be in the squad.

  224. #224 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 11:12 PM

    Theo

    I said, shame on you not in the real sense but, the literal sense and it was just a hint that even the kid called bulbul knows where Stratford-on-Avon is? Yaar it is the birth place as well as the place where he is buried somewhere in the Holy Trinity in Stratford-on-Avon, Warwickshire, England. Btw, you don’t have to have a major in English literature to know this, I remember reading it in secondary school. Well, that’s another thing that I went there and also been to Anne Hathaway’s cottage, she was Willy Shake’s mistress. Bara Dill Phaink thaa sala… The distance between the Master and the Mattress is the Mistress. 😀

  225. #225 by Theossa on May 28, 2009 - 11:53 AM

    Javed

    All these poets, writers, musicians are polygamists who believe in “Variety is the Spice of Life”. These creative people enjoy the God’s best creation more often than others 🙂

    RBS20 Cup Observation

    All the 4 teams that made it to the semi finals are from Punjab including 2 teams from Lahore. I think Punjabis are united to kick some ass of rest of the country 🙂

    Lahore, Lahore aye-Lahore, Lahore aye
    Aye lokee kut lande Peshawar non
    Aye lokee kut lande Karachi non

  226. #226 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 12:10 PM

    Theossa

    I think it’s a lesson for Pathans and Karachi walays…..

    Look at the unity between Punjabis and how they stand for each other.

    So why do Pathans and Karachiites fight amongst themselves?

  227. #227 by Awas on May 28, 2009 - 12:16 PM

    It’s a conspiracy from Punjabis to make them fight so they can win all the matches 🙂

  228. #228 by Theossa on May 28, 2009 - 12:17 PM

    Khansahab

    To hide my head under the sand, I would say:

    Pathan, Muhajar bhi bhi
    Punjabion ne aag lagai

  229. #229 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 12:21 PM

    Seriously, the unity seen between Lahore players and Sialkot players is amazing. They all play for the team.

    Whereas in Karachi, the players look disinterested. They are mediocre players most of them, and I think they are jealous of better players like Fawad and Sohail Khan.

    In Peshawar again they are all serious, in fact some of them look like they are in a bad mood.

  230. #230 by Theossa on May 28, 2009 - 12:35 PM

    Khansahab

    I can understand Peshawar and Quetta losing as cricket is not their favorite candy compared to other cities. But I’m really amazed or should I say disgusted to see the largest city in the country i.e. Karachi not even making it to the semi finals when tiny city like Islamabad made it! Excuses can be made but may be Punjab produces better players, which is understandable as it is the largest province with good cricket facilities and also due to their love for the sport of cricket.

  231. #231 by Junaid Jamshed on August 8, 2009 - 7:24 AM

    Yes khan sahab i also see this match.. It was a great even and match b/w Lahore players and Sialkot players….

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