The going has not been great for team Pakistan

The going has not been great for team Pakistan

The warm up matches for the T20 WC start next week. Pakistan will be playing its preliminary matches against England and the Netherlands. The last few years have been disappointing for Pakistan for various reasons. Pakistan’s openers remain as clueless and brittle as ever since the departure of Saeed Anwar and Aamir Sohail. The middle order has not managed to remain consistent with critcism being levied on Younis Khan, Shoaib Malik and Misbah. Pakistan’s best batsman Yousuf has been largely unavailable and so have been three of Pakistan’s key T20 players, Abdul Razzaq, Imran Nazir and Rana Naved. Further, although Pakistan’s fielding standards have improved slightly, they are improving slowly compared to other international sides.

They have destroyed Pakistans standing in world cricket, yet Pakistanis still worship them

They have destroyed Pakistan's standing in world cricket, yet Pakistanis still worship them

Pakistan’s pace battery is almost totally ineffective, with Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif ruining their careers themselves and Umar Gul being the only fit and world class pacer. If all this isn’t enough, the Pakistan team management seems obsessed with not providing any meaningful chances to promising youngsters such as Fawad Alam.

T20 is not real cricket, because it seems to go against everything cricket is meant to be. Cricket is meant to provide equal footing to both batsmen and bowlers. Test cricket, which is considered as real cricket, is all about patience, intelligence, stamina and mental toughness. T20 is more about luck and excitement, although the qualities needed to play Test cricket can be useful in playing T20, too. Yet, if one attempts to envisage what the founders of cricket must have had in mind, T20 must be a polar opposite.

Shoaib Malik is a domestic T20 specialist

Shoaib Malik is a domestic T20 specialist

Pakistan has a golden chance to provide some hope to fans, as the Pakistan team is balanced and consists of experienced T20 players. It is crucial to stress that half of these players have played cricket in English conditions, so they know what to expect and also, Pakistani cricketers probably play more domestic T20

Younsi has a point to prove in this tournament

Younis has a point to prove in this tournament

 than anyone else. So, there should be no excuse for poor performance and claiming lack of familiarisation with English conditions will be unacceptable.

Younis Khan is leading the side although his T20 credentials are doubted. Younis performed commendably in the ongoing RBS T20 Cup where he played 2 aggressive knocks for Peshawar. There were reports after the ODI series against Australia that Younis has decided to relinquish captaincy in favour of Afridi. These reports were obviously untrue, but it does prove that there is a considerable body of opinion that doubts Younis Khan as a T20 player.

Shahzad may be talented but he will struggle in T20 unless he plays more lofted shots

Shahzad may be talented but he will struggle in T20 unless he plays more lofted shots

Younis has to show more aggression than what we have seen from him. If Pakistani batsmen play defensively in this Cup, Pakistan will lose. Pakistan should also be mindful that other teams like New Zealand and South Africa have improved their T20 standards and they are capable of beating Pakistan this time round.
In particular the two openers Shahzad and Butt need to play lofted shots if they can’t drive the ball between the gaps. This is particularly important for Shahzad, who has struggled to place the ball in the gaps so far in international cricket. Neither Butt nor Shahzad have been in great form recently and it must be questioned why they have been picked for T20 when they do not appear to be T20 batsmen.
The new kid on the block, Shahzaib Hasan is inexperienced and it is rumoured Younis Khan opted for him over Khalid Latif. It would perhaps be wiser to give Hasan a chance in place of Shahzad, although it seems unlikely. Hasan was impressive in the recent mini series between Chairman’s XI and Patrons’ XI, where he was amongst the top scorers. Nasir Jamshed is returning to form in domestic cricket but his form was mediocre before this RBS Cup, so his exclusion is justified.

Ideally Younis should go with no more than 3 pacers. Spinners are usually more effective in T20 because the focus is

Merit is no qualification to play for Pakistan, so Fawad is hoping for a miracle

Merit is no qualification to play for Pakistan, so Fawad is hoping for a miracle

 also to restrict the runs from the bat. My guess is that whoever is responsible for selection will once again not give a meaningful chance to Fawad Alam, but playing Fawad is undoubtedly an advantage because of his batting and fielding. He can also bowl a couple of overs if need be, although bowling is not his forte. The team management is likely to go with, 1.Butt 2.Shahzad 3.Younis 4. Malik 5. Misbah 6. Afridi 7.Akmal 8. Tanvir 9. Gul 10. Rao 11. Ajmal.

My preferred line-up would be: 1. Hasan 2. Afridi 3. Akmal 4. Younis 5. Malik 6. Misbah 7. Fawad 8. Tanvir 9. Gul 10. Rao 11. Ajmal

Aggression, good team spirit and fair selection can make Pakistan win this World Cup. Bowling wise Pakistan is adequately equipped with Gul, Afridi and Ajmal being world class bowlers. If Younis, Malik and Misbah once again do not show commitment and consistency, it will be a new low for Pakistan cricket and a slap on the PCB’s face.

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  1. #1 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 10:24 PM

    PCB yet to decide the fate of ICL players


    Karachi, May 27: The Pakistan Cricket Board are still undecided on punishment for players who left the Indian Cricket League, putting a question mark on their participation in the national team`s Test tour of Sri Lanka starting June 27.

    A senior official of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) today said Chairman Ejaz Butt would decide whether the players, who intend to severe ties with ICL by the May 31 deadline, would be allowed back into the national team after a cooling off period or could do so by just paying fines.

    “We will put up the case to the Chairman. He will take a final decision. But the International Cricket Council (ICC) has advised its member boards to have a cooling period of six to 12 months under a clause in the regulations on unauthorized tournaments,” PCB chief operating officer Saleem Altaf said.

    Senior batsman, Mohammad Yousuf had yesterday submitted an NOC from the ICL to the board confirming termination of his ties with the league.

    Other players including Abdul Razzaq, Rana Naved, Imran Nazir have also stated they have been released by the ICL which recently freed around 50 local and overseas players from their contracts.

    Yousuf said he was hopeful of making a comeback to the Pakistan team soon.

    “I have sorted out all issues with the ICL as well and have asked them to only pay me for the matches I played last season,” Yousuf said.

    Yousuf said he had put in no conditions to play for Pakistan nor asked for any financial compensation from the board.

    After the May 31 deadline the ICC has said it would enforce tougher sanctions governing unauthorised tournaments and players taking part in them.

    Razzaq who returned to domestic cricket action with a blazing hundred in the national T20 championship last night said he was keen to play for Pakistan again.

    Altaf said PCB would have to consider all pros and cons before reconsidering the ICL players for national selection.

    “We have to see what is the position after the May 31 deadeline and how many players end their contracts with the ICL. But our view is that we need to handle things on a case to case basis,” he added.

    The Indian and South African boards have already announced a cooling period for their ICL players before they can be considered for national selection.

    Sources in the board said the Chairman could either go for a short cooling period or could suggest imposing heavy fines on ICL players since there`s pressure on him to get them back into the team for the Sri Lanka tour and the Champions Trophy in September.

  2. #2 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 10:34 PM

    Miandad accuses BCCI of influencing other boards against Pakistan

    LAHORE: With Pakistan’s omission from the inaugural Champions League this year, former skipper Javed Miandad has accused the Indian board of using its financial power to earn the support of other stake holders to keep the country out of the cash-rich T20 stint.

    Miandad, who is currently serving as Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) director-general, yesterday said such a move by India has not surprised him but he expressed his disappointment over the silence of the other boards on the issue.

    ”I expected it from the Indian cricket board but it was very disappointing to see that no board has spoken out against it.

    ”When we used to play cricket all the boards had principles but now I see that money has made them turn a deaf ear to everything.

    ”I have realized now that everything can be bought with the power of money. India with the power of its money has earned the support from all stakeholders and we find no one who could listen and support us,” Miandad was quoted as saying by ‘The News’.

    The legendary batsman further cited the examples of countries like West Indies, Australia, England and New Zealand whom they used to look up for the principles they had, but felt sorry about the way things have changed now.

    ”We used to look up to boards like West Indies, Australia, England and New Zealand who never compromised on principles. I remember West Indies board barred one of its top cricketers from playing in an international match who missed a couple of domestic matches.

    ”But now their captain comes back for national only a day before a Test and nobody says anything,” Miandad lamented.

    Pakistan’s local T20 champions Sialkot Stallions were supposed to participate in this year’s Champions League, which is scheduled to begin from October 8, but have been sidelined.

  3. #3 by Q on May 27, 2009 - 10:36 PM

    Why not Aamer instead of Rao?

  4. #4 by khansahab on May 27, 2009 - 10:42 PM


    Only because Rao can hit sixes whereas I don’t think Aamer can.

  5. #5 by Q on May 27, 2009 - 10:47 PM

    Rao can hit 6s? Are u serious? Even if he can, why do u need a 6 hitter at 10 when u have batting till Tanvir at 8 and a Gul at 9 who can hit 6s.

    I think Younis wants to open with Shahzaib btw. Also he wud look to play Yasir instead of Rao.

    Though I think it shud be Aamer.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 11:30 PM

    khansahab has been nailing this point about Rao that, he can hit sixes. Its been ages since he has hit sixes. I think sometime back during the home series against England? I can’t be sure of that either. But, for me Rao is a pretty ordinary bowler. Only sometimes he is very economical but, in T20 he has seldom justified his place. There is no one like Gul at the moment. Tanvir can be handy provided he work out his run up problem. Its because of this he has lost his line and length and also bowling too many line no-balls.

  7. #7 by Q on May 27, 2009 - 11:35 PM

    Thats my point Javed, that Rao is quite ordinary.. he may be economical but he isnt a wicket taker. And having a man at number 10 just cos he can hit sixes does not make sense.

    So u have Gul and Tanvir.. who will be the 3rd pacer?

    I think Younis will go for Yasir Arafat.. but I would like to see Aamer in there.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 27, 2009 - 11:51 PM


    Good meaningful points that you have highlighted in this new thread. “I am agree” with you on the team except for Rao. But, the problem is selectors will play Butt and Ahmad Shahzad and that will be a disaster recipe. I don’t know what technicalities are there in bringing back the ICL players. Butt should have been focusing on this issue instead of traveling abroad and even going to SA to see the final of the IPL. What business he has to go there? Why is no one questioning him?

    There is a Chinese proverb, “A man with pebble in his shoes cannot look at the stars.” It means, when you are supposed to be looking inwards you are looking outwards. Until and unless the priorities are not changed and team selection is not based on regionalism and jingoism instead of merit, then these problems will persist and the team morale will be down.

  9. #9 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 1:42 AM


    I haven’t seen Aamer bowling so no comments on him. And, I would also vouch for Arafat because his batting is definitely better than Rao and his bowling is not that great, but so, so. If there is any other fast bowler who is better than him then I would like to see him bowling. Because, Pakistan need three very good pacers.

  10. #10 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 1:52 AM


    Mon 1
    13:30 local, 12:30 GMT Ireland v Netherlands
    Lord’s, London

    Mon 1 Floodlit Match
    17:30 local, 16:30 GMT India v New Zealand
    Lord’s, London

    Mon 1 Floodlit Match
    17:30 local, 16:30 GMT Pakistan v South Africa
    Trent Bridge, Nottingham

    Tue 2
    13:30 local, 12:30 GMT Ireland v West Indies
    Kennington Oval, London
    Tue 2
    13:30 local, 12:30 GMT Bangladesh v Sri Lanka
    Trent Bridge, Nottingham

    Tue 2 Floodlit Match
    17:30 local, 16:30 GMT Australia v New Zealand
    Kennington Oval, London

    Tue 2 Floodlit Match
    17:30 local, 16:30 GMT England v Scotland
    Trent Bridge, Nottingham

    Wed 3
    13:30 local, 12:30 GMT South Africa v Sri Lanka
    Lord’s, London

    Wed 3
    13:30 local, 12:30 GMT Netherlands v Scotland
    Kennington Oval, London

    Wed 3 Floodlit Match
    17:30 local, 16:30 GMT England v West Indies
    Lord’s, London

    Wed 3 Floodlit Match
    17:30 local, 16:30 GMT India v Pakistan
    Kennington Oval, London

  11. #11 by Aamir Iqbal on May 28, 2009 - 8:37 AM

    Wed 3 Floodlit Match
    17:30 local, 16:30 GMT India v Pakistan
    Kennington Oval, London]

    I will be at the venue !

  12. #12 by Aamir Iqbal on May 28, 2009 - 9:09 AM

  13. #13 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 9:24 AM


    I don’t, although there is something sexy about that chick.


    The reason I selected Rao is because on seaming tracks he has proven useful. Remember he bowled well in South Africa but could not replicate that performance in Pakistan and India?

    I think on a bowling pitch he can bowl better than Arafat.

    In T20 in my opinion, it will help even if your no 11 batsman can hit sixes. If you have a batting collapse which is not unusual for T20 and you need lots of runs, your tailenders can win the game for you if you have six hitters.

  14. #14 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 9:28 AM

    Fatima Bhutto lashes out at ‘corrupt leadership’

    LONDON: Fatima Bhutto has painted a highly pessimistic picture of the present-day Pakistan blaming the state, especially its civil and military apparatus, for creating all the problems that the country is facing, including the menace of Taliban, widespread poverty and corruption.
    She was speaking on the current situation in Pakistan at The Tricycle Theatre on Tuesday evening while sharing the panel with Dawood Azami, a BBC journalist and a writer who spoke about the two great Pathans — the Faqir of Ipi and the Frontier Gandhi.
    The niece of the slain former prime minister Benazir Bhutto appeared particularly concerned about the future of the country under its present elected leadership which she said lacked not only the capacity to govern efficiently and cleanly but which was also too corrupt to be trusted with all the billions that the US and the West were providing to Pakistan by way of compensation for fighting their proxy war against the Taliban.

    She was highly critical of the infamous National Reconciliation Ordinance as according to her the ordinance had let the most corrupt in the country go scot-free.

    ‘Its authors claim that it was conceived on the lines of South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission but ironically they forgot to put the truth part of the TRC in their NRO,’ she added sarcastically.

    She did not appear to be condoning the Taliban, but she also did not have any supportive words for the army action against them.

    She thought the internally displaced persons who have now crossed the 2 million mark would pose a new socio-economic and political threat to the very existence of Pakistan no matter how much aid is spent in the relief and rehabilitation efforts.

    She declared Nizam-i-Adl as unconstitutional and lashed out at the government for not subjecting the regulations to a vote in the National Assembly or holding a referendum on it, ‘the 1973 Constitution is very clear on Islamic laws as under it all laws repugnant to Islam are to be gradually removed from the books’.

    While answering questions, she said made a fine distinction between state and country as she absolved Pakistan and its people from what she said were the misdeeds of the state spread over the last 60 years.

    She was asked to explain the charge that it was the Pakistan army and the ISI which created the Taliban. Fatima Bhutto said the US was as much complicit in the matter as, according to her, even Bin Laden had served as their agent once.

  15. #15 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 9:34 AM

    TTP claims Lahore bombing, threatens more attacks

    PESHAWAR: Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) claimed responsibility on Thursday for a suicide gun and bomb attack in Lahore the previous day that killed 26 people and wounded over 100.

    ‘We have achieved our target. We were looking for this target for a long time. It was a reaction to the Swat operation,’ Hakimullah Mehsud, a militant commander and deputy to TTP chief Baitullah Mehsud, told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location, referring to an army offensive in the Swat region.

    Hakimullah Mehsud threatened similar attacks in other Pakistani cities, the BBC reported.

    ‘Residents should leave the cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Multan,’ he was quoted by the BBC as saying.

    Another group calling itself the Tehrik-i-Taliban Punjab also claimed responsibility for the attack.

    The group took the blame in a Turkish-language communique posted on Turkish militant websites through an organisation called Elif Media on Wednesday, the SITE Intelligence Group said.

    The SITE cited the group as saying the attack ‘targeted the ‘nest of evil’ in Lahore, and was a ‘humble gift’ to the mujahideen who suffer beneath the attacks of Pakistani forces in Swat.’

    It specified that a vehicle laden with 100 kilos of explosives was blown up outside a security building in Lahore, the capital of Punjab province in Pakistan, destroying the building and injuring hundreds more.

    ‘Tehrik-i-Taliban Punjab asks Muslims in Pakistan to stay away from areas where the enemy is ‘taking advantage’ of them, so that they are not harmed by jihadi attacks,’ SITE added.

    The claim could not be verified, and the militant group’s relationship to the Taliban was unclear.

    The blast was the third deadly attack to rock Lahore in as many months.

    A top security official told AFP after nightfall that 24 people died, including 13 policemen, civilians and security officers.

    A senior investigator told AFP the attack was the likely handiwork of Al-Qaeda linked Taliban militants operating from Pakistan’s Waziristan region.

    One of the attackers was shot dead by security guards as he approached the building, and two others perished in the explosion, the investigator said.

  16. #16 by Aamir Iqbal on May 28, 2009 - 9:50 AM

    Khansahab, must be very depressing in Manchester today after cup final defeat.

  17. #17 by Mohammed Munir on May 28, 2009 - 10:34 AM

    Khansahab …

    A day after smashing a century, captain Abdul Razzaq showed his prowess with the ball, starring in Lahore Lions’ comfortable five-wicket win against Faisalabad Wolves at the Gaddafi Stadium. The parsimonious Razzaq gave away only 13 runs in his four overs and picked up four wickets….

    You haven’t even mentioned about this ?

    It seems you are only busy following one player in this RBS thing 😉

  18. #18 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 11:25 AM

    Munir sahab

    I did mention Razzaq in the previous thread. However I have to focus more on Fawad because of those who want to undermine him! 😉

  19. #19 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 11:47 AM

    PCB will consider Yousuf for Test series against Sri Lanka——————————————————————————–

    ISLAMABAD: Chairman Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Ijaz Butt said PCB would consider Muhammad Yousuf for Test series against Sri Lanka.

    Talking to media at Islamabad airport, PCB chairman said he directed Sialkot Stallions not to take part in Champions League in India without government’s permission. The participation of Pakistani cricketers in Champions League is related with government’s permission.

    He said selection committee would consider the inclusion of ICL players in the team. United Arab Emirates (UAE) board officials assured that if they would get a chance to host World Cup matches in replacement of Pakistan, they will make best possible arrangements.

  20. #20 by Aamir Iqbal on May 28, 2009 - 11:55 AM

    Khansahab I would just like to share this statistic which questions our underestimated perspective for Pakistan’s T20 hopes.

    I know other T20 teams have improved and it shall be harder for Pakistan in 2009 as opposed to 2007 BUT this shall provide some inspiration and optimism for fans.

  21. #21 by Aamir Iqbal on May 28, 2009 - 12:09 PM

    Just realised that Mushy’s pic has been uploaded on the thread and on LS for the first time. Gr8 work guys as that man was a legendary performer.

    Amusing character

    Words to sum up his career.

  22. #22 by Aamir Iqbal on May 28, 2009 - 12:15 PM

    Consolidating on the post 20 because the stat was unable to publish.

    Pakistan : Played 17, won 13, 80% winning record in T20 format. Higher than any other international side.

  23. #23 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 12:26 PM


    Tooti Poothi Angrezi
    Amusing character

    How about these words to sum up Mushy? 🙂

  24. #24 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 12:31 PM

    The final is likely to be between Lahore and Sialkot, and I think this time Lahore might win.

    Razzaq will probably be Man of the Series. He will deserve it.

  25. #25 by Awas on May 28, 2009 - 12:53 PM

    Theossa & khansahab

    Isn’t it better to come to the new thread first?


    Okay…”seriously”?…then I would say this:

    Personally, I don’t buy into unity or disunity scenario. The fact is that some are more expressive, vocal, emotional etc than others. Let’s consider some players that we all know how they react after taking a wicket or making a century.

    -After taking a wicket Waqar and Wasim reacted as though they had won the war.
    -Shoaib Akhtar on the other hand just goes solo on a plane ride.
    -In last year’s T20 Sohail Tanvir’s face was dead pan after each wicket he took.
    -Sami never showed much emotions either after taking a wicket
    -Afridi often celebrates a wicket pretty enthusiastically
    -Inzi never jumped up and down after making a hundred. Even in team huddles his demeanour always remained calm
    -Yousaf never goes berserk after his century either
    -Younus celebrates his century enthusiastically

    I think I have got a mix of individuals from all regions. So basically, it comes down to personalities rather than ethnic issues.

    Now I guess you will say Awas, I guessed you would say something like that. You bet I would 🙂 Like some of the others here on LS I just naturally do not see everything with ethnic angle.

  26. #26 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 1:09 PM


    The Pakistan team has always been a mix of ethnicities so in that way unity is not seen. It is obvious to the naked eye that Malik, Akmal, Misbah, Butt, these players are much more united than other players.

    The reason for this is not because they have necessarily anything against other ethnicities. I realised this after watching Peshawar and Karachi where the players looked boring and dull.

    I think this can be seen even socially in our environment. Amongst our Urdu Speaking friends there is a lot of back stabbing and politics. No one ever pleased with anyone else’s enrichment or happiness. There is also back stabbing amongst Punjabis but they are genuinely pleased when something good happens to a friend of theirs or a relative.

    I know so many educated Punjabi women who have married uneducated and uncouth cousins from Punjab. I know so many entrepreneurs here who want to employ only Punjabis, they see it as “Charity begins at home”, kinda thing.

    Recently a friend of mine who got A’s at A-level and studed Law at University of Manchester got married to a taxi driver in Gojarkhan. Her family is very pleased with this and so is she, she sees it as helping her “people from back home”.

  27. #27 by Awas on May 28, 2009 - 1:16 PM

    Under Mullah Inzi they were all united…so it did happen…be it once

  28. #28 by Awas on May 28, 2009 - 1:20 PM

    Besides, we discussed it before if there are 3 or 4 groups of individuals in a squad of 15 or so it does not imply disunity necessarily…just mutual common understanding and interests.

  29. #29 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 2:09 PM

    Akram: Nobody Can Change Afridi

    May 28 2009

    Former skipper Wasim Akram believes there is little merit in coach Intikhab Alam or captain Younis Khan attempting to curb Shahid Afridi’s aggressive batting.

    Pakistan, who lost to India in the 2007 final, will look to go one better at this year’s World Twenty20 in England and all-rounder Afridi’s role with the bat will be instrumental to his team’s title hopes.

    “It has been proved that Twenty20 is altogether a different ball game, compared to what people initially thought. You just cannot go there and play your shots right from the word go. You have to get your eyes in and plan your innings,” Akram said in reference to Afridi’s lack of patience at the crease.

    “When I was the captain, people used to ask me why didn’t I guide him. Well, we used to have team meetings in which I used to tell him something and he would say ‘yes captain’ and then walk out and get out first ball.”

    “I could not change him in 10 years and I don’t think anyone can change him even in 100 years,” he concluded.

    Former India batsman Sanjay Manjrekar concurred with Akram.

    “You just cannot walk out and start slogging a spinner with a heavy bat. You have to have good footwork and some intuition,” Manjrekar added.

  30. #30 by Theossa on May 28, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    I am agree with Wasim Akram on this one, once an Akhroat, always an Akhroat. I actually think this kind of criticism is necessary to make Afridi think that he is a senior player and should be more responsible with the bat. He does show time to time that he can stay on the crease when he puts his mind to it. To me Afridi is one of the genuine match winners but at the same time another individual player.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    On Wasim Akram’s comments, I do agree that it is difficult to change Shahid Afridi or, to convince him not to hit sixes from the word go. It is like, you can’t take away the spots from a leopard, similarly you can’t make a tiger by painting stripes on a donkey.

    Why can’t Akram, Manjrekar, Waqar, Ramiz et al criticize about the team selection rather than criticizing Afridi’s batting? His bowling and fielding is good enough to keep him in the side and his batting is a bonus, if it clicks the match is over. And that is gambling on part of the selectors, critics and even the whole nation to pin up hopes only on one player and then target him, make him responsible for the loss.

    What about the 10 other players?

    Or, SIX specialist batsmen?

    Or, three specialist bowlers and the expert wicket keeper?

    They choose the wrong players based on likes and dislikes and on the basis of regionalism and jingoism and the openers get a bad start and then everyone expect ONLY ONE MAN to win the match for the entire team.

    Apart from the previous T20 WC two matches, how many more times Misbah has played those stupid premeditated paddle shots and got out?

    And, how many times Younus Khan has played unnecessary reverse sweep shots from outside the off-stumps and got out?

    And, how many times Salman Butt has blocked and played dozens of dot balls and then edged a simple catch to put the team under pressure?

    How many times Malik played an innings for himself?

    How many times they made Fawad Alam sit in the dugouts?

    And, how many times Akmal has dropped catches at crucial times and let the match slip away?

    And, how many times Akhtar and Tanvir bowled so poorly to give away 40 runs in 3 overs?

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 2:58 PM

    After posting my comment, I have just read Theo’s comment and all I can do is laugh. This is a classic example that Akhroat’s are not like sheep they have their own mind and we just proved it by writing extremely contrasting comments on Afridi in response to Akram’s criticism.

    It is very easy to criticize anyone but, when you are a man on the spot, you think differently. Wasim NEVER had the same pressure as Afridi had and Wasim used to hit sixes from the word go in ODI’s. I remember in Nagpur ODI Wasim was close to breaking the fastest fifty world record in ODI of that time.

    But, people’s expectations are very different for Afridi, anywhere he goes, they all cheer and show play cards and banners of BOOM BOOM Afridi and ask for sixes and he gets carried away. Still he is the only player from Pakistan and third in the world to score 5642 runs with 249 sixes and 253 wickets in ODI’s.

    Wasim was no doubt a great bowler of his time scored 3717 runs and 502 wickets in ODI’s and his world record of highest wickets in ODI has just been broken. In his 356 ODI’s Wasim has only 6 fifties to his name at a very good strike rate of 88 and it proves my point that Wasim too was a pinch hitter and used to hit the ball from the word go. But, during his time he had some really good batsmen who have laid the foundation for pinch hitters.

  33. #33 by Theossa on May 28, 2009 - 3:12 PM


    LOL javed, agreed on Akhroat part. Wasim was never the same caliber batsman Afridi is! You were spot on referring Wasim as a pinch hitter, Afridi on the other hand used to open for Pakistan and has a lot more talent and potential as a batsman than Akram.

    I think Wasim was referring to Afridi’s surprising lack of success with the bat in T20s as one would think that T20s are alter made for players like Afridi. I have pointed it out before that in the past hitting spinners for boundary shots was his strength but these days just plain ordinary spinners fox him. It could be either lack of form or just simply being predictable that most spinners these days can gauge what is coming next. If he chooses to keep batting like he usually does he should open the innings (which I think in his control) in T20. I understand your point of the whole team being responsible for a loss or win but the subject was Afridi as the premier T20 weapon for Pakistan that should be firing from both barrels. Of course Wasim or others are aware of the fact he could be the single most important factor in crowning Pakistan with T20 WC.

    Poke: I’ve started to believe Abdul that you just don’t like Wasim Akram whether he is right or wrong 🙂

  34. #34 by Awas on May 28, 2009 - 3:17 PM


    I don’t always agree or like Akram’s statements either but this time I don’t think he was critical of Afridi. He basically is saying there is no need to change him and let him be what he is.

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 3:19 PM

    LOL @ poke.

    I know what you are saying and I understand the whole logic behind it and like you I have been raving and ranting since ages that Afridi must open in T20 irrespective of how many times he gets out cheaply and along with him there must be another strong hitter of the ball (like Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat, Abdul Razzaq or even Kamran Akmal) because, when there are two hitters and they are scoring freely then, the bowlers loose their confidence and the batsmen dominate. Whereas, if there is one hitter and one dead pan type batsman like Butt, the moment Afridi is out the bowlers are back in the game. So, the strategy for T20 must be to send the strong hitters at number 1, 2 and 3 to destabilize the fast bowlers. My point was Akram, Waqar, Ramiz et al don’t look at these weak points and only focus on his batting. Why don’t they talk about making him the CAPTAIN? He will be a great captain with his aggression and passion.

  36. #36 by Awas on May 28, 2009 - 3:21 PM


    Poke: I’ve started to believe Abdul that you just don’t like Wasim Akram whether he is right or wrong”.

    Why didn’t I say that…in simple words? 🙂 I just read your comment.

  37. #37 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 3:21 PM

    Well Awas, to me it is not appearing like that with his comment that NO one can change him in 100 years and that is not a compliment and he never used the word let him be for what he is.

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 3:22 PM

    Awas that is because you are not an akhroat 😀

  39. #39 by Awas on May 28, 2009 - 3:24 PM


    What about this Akram said:

    Former skipper Wasim Akram believes there is little merit in coach Intikhab Alam or captain Younis Khan attempting to curb Shahid Afridi’s aggressive batting”.

    Sounds like a compliment to me.

  40. #40 by Awas on May 28, 2009 - 3:25 PM


  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 3:25 PM

    To add more to that Poke.

    Why does Wasim Akram have to show is loyalty towards India? When he was in India he said on their TV that Indians are favourites to win the WC and now he is in Pakistan and he is saying that Pakistan is favourite to win the WC and he says, people say Jee Aap Hindustan say Wapis Aagaye? Well, he is a Hindustan ka Namak Halal and what else can one say about him? Any patriotic Pakistani would not like what Akram is doing. So, I am not just the only one who hates him. Above a few minutes ago I wrote that Akram was a great bowler and I still reiterate that he was but as a human being he is greedy and can do anything by hook or crook to make money and in simple words I don’t like him.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 3:27 PM

    Awas I think I missed that line, thanks for posting it for me again. But, it is more like Ass pay lath hath may Lollypop. 😀 He did give a compliment but pulled it back.

  43. #43 by Q on May 28, 2009 - 3:36 PM

    I completely agree with Javed on Afridi.. he is a bowler foremost and that is his primary responsibility.. the batting is a bonus and we dont’t need people criticizing him on his batting… he was never a batsman.. past captains and selectors and coaches tried turning him into one but failed.. he has always been a bowler since his u19 days and should be respected as one.

    Even if he gets a quick 20 with the bat, he’s done his job.

  44. #44 by Theossa on May 28, 2009 - 3:38 PM


    @ Why don’t they talk about making Afridi the CAPTAIN

    I can’t help here but to be biased towards Younis Khan so I like them mute on this issue 🙂 I think Younis is the kind of selfless character who would sit on the bench to make room for young talent like Fawad or make Afridi the captain for T20 but I think PCB management thinks otherwise. Let’s judge Younis, Afridi, Fawad and rest of the bunch after T20 WC is concluded. I still think Younis will make inroads with his batting in T20, I expect sort of a 32 ball 42 run anchor innings from him. Younis is an adaptable player and will make a positive impact in the batting and fielding.
    Wasim Akram pokes back: If I’m drowning and asking you not to jump in the deep pool you should take a notice of my advice even if I had screwed up myself by jumping in it 🙂

  45. #45 by Theossa on May 28, 2009 - 3:42 PM

    LOL, I smell Zain again.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 5:40 PM

    Theo –

    Q is with us since a long time and he is not Zain. He is a banker in Abu Dhabi and he even has his own cricket blog but, we won’t tell you which one 😀 Hence there is no cure for your paranoia i.e., if you are thinking that I have written that comment as Q. Perhaps Q would be laughing at you.

    Secondly, Zain too is a real person with a real name and he is in Dubai and he is too busy these days, he is a good friend of mine. I don’t want to write Zain’s family name without his permission and cricket lovers of the UAE like, Munir and Q would perhaps be knowing him personally. Because he is such a famous person in Dubai.

    Back to cricket.
    Your likes for Younus Khan is because you are judging him on the basis of his personal behaviour and “selfless character.” To some extent it does matter to have a good character, but there is something called professionalism where you have to ignore your personal likes and dislikes and set aside your “sweet smiles” and replace them with a serious look on your face. Imran Khan was not like Younus Khan that he would be smiling all the time.

    Younus wants to keep the whole world happy. The greatest leaders and even the Prophets couldn’t achieve that. So, to like Younus Khan for being a humble, kind, selfless player is not what is needed and it is not the greatest quality to admire. IMO, the most important thing for a captain or a leader is to lead the team and get the best out of them and win most of the times. You cannot win all the time.

    On Wasim Akram, he is like that scorpion who could not swim and asked the frog to take him on his back to the other side of the pond. But, he could not resist stinging the deadly venom into the frog’s back. The frog realizing that they both will die asked him, why did you do that? The scorpion replied that is my nature. Hence the moral of the story is taking advice doesn’t matter if you have a scorpion’s nature. Just like Wasim Akram has. 😉

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 28, 2009 - 5:45 PM

    “LOL, I smell Zain again.”

    I guess after eating canned Tuna Fish sandwiches everyday you can’t smell anything else but fishy! 😀

    Theo: This is a second dose of cod liver oil for you in the shape of a capsule. 🙂

  48. #48 by Theossa on May 28, 2009 - 6:11 PM


    Thanks for explaining but I just find it interesting that some of the posters jumps only in ”special situations”, LOL. Now since you have explained the background and your friendly relationships with the posters from your UAE phase of life, it just makes sense 😀

    Don’t blame me brother I don’t really trust people. Your leadership analogy aside, Younis just recently began the journey so like I said before let him judge when he has a long run. Younis can unify the team better than Afridi or Malik. I’m sure with time Younis will have more to say about selection matters, more control over players, as he gets more influence and gets more comfortable with the role.

    Tub tuk keliye intizaar furmayee aor aap bhee Tuna aazmayee 😀

  49. #49 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 7:09 PM


    Please accept my polite reservations regarding your assessment of Rana in T20 but regarding everything else, I am in your agree.

  50. #50 by khansahab on May 28, 2009 - 7:29 PM


    Can’t say I am not in your agree regarding post 51. Thanks for justifying with ecstatic flamboyance.

  51. #51 by Q on May 29, 2009 - 12:57 AM


    I am Q.. real name: Umair Qazi. Based in the UAE yes, but I don’t know Javed from his UAE days, nor do I know of the other people he’s mentioned. But I think I have heard the name Zain in the cricketing circles.

    Anyhow, I don’t jump in on special occasions. I have just become active on Leg Slip again, and if u notice I have been commenting on this thread from the beginning 🙂

    I have been a long supporter of Afridi and u will notice that if u ever come across my blog.

    Keep the good thoughts coming people.

  52. #52 by Theossa on May 29, 2009 - 11:50 AM


    I am agree with your Razzaq inclusion for T20s but Imran Nazir can also turn tables with his big hitting up in the order. If I had to pick a replacement for Shoaib Akhtar, it would be Razzaq. However, neither of them will be included in T20 WC squad.

    This is the second time I’m hearing from you that after marriage Afridi lost some power in his shots 🙂 Being married I can assure you that marriage has nothing to do with loss of power or stamina, it’s more about how physically conditioned the person is. Your statement is true in a sense that life gets more stressful after marriage especially for people with children as parents sacrifice some sleep, their leisure time, and physical activity. I personally think Afridi needs some physical conditioning and more in the regime of strength training. The YMCA I go to have a Sports Specific Training program i.e. athletes use cables and pulleys with added weights to work on their motion, strength, and muscle flexibility. I used such a program for my golf routine once. For cricketers baseball routine might work.

    Question Mark Q

    Ok if you say so 😀


    Hain kawakib kuch, nazar aate hain kuch

  53. #53 by Awas on May 29, 2009 - 12:19 PM

    Your statement is true in a sense that life gets more stressful after marriage…” Theossa.

    Omer, don’t believe a word what Thoeossa says to you about marriage…its living hell. By convincing you otherwise, I can only imagine he’s got some Dooshmani with you because you don’t support Younus as captain like us. So, my advice to you…just “Carry On Up The Khyber” 🙂

  54. #54 by Theossa on May 29, 2009 - 12:48 PM

    I am disagree, why do you want Omer to stay single all his life? I’m sure pending on meeting the right girl his fruit is ripe, ready to go and unleash havoc 😀

    Marriage is a beautiful thing if one don’t marry a bitch 🙂

  55. #55 by Awas on May 29, 2009 - 1:06 PM


    Thank you!

    As always you are spot on there.

  56. #56 by Mohammed Munir on May 29, 2009 - 5:20 PM

    Theo …

    No one marries a ‘bitch’, but it’s just that they all end up tranforming into one 😆

  57. #57 by khansahab on May 29, 2009 - 5:53 PM

    Sialkot Stallions are the winners of RBS Cup.

    Excellent team spirit and wonderful performances by Imran Nazir and Shoaib Malik.

  58. #58 by Awas on May 29, 2009 - 6:03 PM


    Are you prepared to retract then that Malik should make “A Room” for Fawad Alam? 🙂

  59. #59 by khansahab on May 29, 2009 - 6:06 PM


    Malik should be in the T20 team but he should make a house for Fawad Alam because Fawad is a good player 🙂

  60. #60 by Theossa on May 29, 2009 - 6:16 PM

    Khansahab & Awas

    Great win by Sialkot, with regret to Awas I was rooting for Sialkot because the commentators were very biased towards Lahore.

    Remembering what Khansahab said that all the teams from Punjab have better chemistry so they win as a unit. In a logical sense it would mean that if the national team is composed of all Punjabis, it would work wonders so why fight about Afridi and Fawad 😉

  61. #61 by Awas on May 29, 2009 - 6:23 PM


    What do you mean “biased towards Lahore”? When it comes to Lahore, naturally they should be as Javed says “Lahore Lahore Hai” 🙂

  62. #62 by khansahab on May 29, 2009 - 6:43 PM


    I think that’s a good point. But the first people that will have to be ousted are Afridi, Younis and Gul. Can we tolerate that 🙂

  63. #63 by Mohammed Munir on May 29, 2009 - 7:12 PM


    What happened to Karachi team with all “stars” playing for them ?? 😉

    Did they even make it to semis ?

  64. #64 by khansahab on May 29, 2009 - 7:28 PM

    Munir sahab

    No they did not reach semis. All of their top players performed in the 2 matches that they played but the rest of the team did not help.

    Fawad Alam, Hasan Raza and Sohail Khan were the best players for Karachi.

  65. #65 by Mohammed Munir on May 29, 2009 - 7:30 PM

    And what about Afridi, did he not play for them too ?

  66. #66 by khansahab on May 29, 2009 - 7:34 PM

    He made 30 odd from 20 odd deliveries in the first match but his bowling was poor. In the 2nd match he made 2 but bowled well, I think he gave 25 runs in 4 overs and took 1 wicket or something like that. So he had a decent Cup.

  67. #67 by Pawan on May 30, 2009 - 2:38 AM

    Hello guys,

    Howz it going?
    The T20 world cup is about to start.
    Exciting matches ahead.
    Hopefully our teams make it to the semifinals.

    Take care.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2009 - 3:28 AM

    Hey Pawan good to see ya Man. It was only yesterday I mentioned your name that Pawan, Amit and Varun they all got pissed off after the Mumbai attack and don’t write on our blog. There you go, you are here, welcome, welcome once again it is good to see you. Lets discuss more about this T20 WC and before the matches there are warm up matches too so I am waiting for June 3 Ind. vs. Pak warm match.

    How have you been? Keep writing. Take care U2.

  69. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2009 - 8:25 AM

    I was reading on-line news and this piece of news caught my attention:

    BBC offers Question Time apology

    The BBC has offered to apologise to the Muslim Council of Britain after airing claims the organisation encouraged the killing of British troops.

    The comments were made by the former Daily Telegraph editor Charles Moore on Thursday’s edition of Question Time.

    Mr Moore spoke about the Islamic protests which disrupted a UK soldiers’ homecoming parade in March.

    No final settlement has been reached but the BBC has accepted that the comments were unfair.

    Mr Moore said the Muslim Council of Britain had been reluctant to condemn the killing and kidnapping of Britain soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, and claimed the organisation thought such activities were “a good thing”.

    The Muslim Council of Britain strongly criticised the remarks and demanded an apology.

    In a statement, the BBC said Question Time always had a lively and wide-ranging debate and this was one of its strengths.

    It went on: “On occasion, this results in unfairness to individuals who aren’t there to put their view and this is one of those occasions.”


    I don’t see any apology but, just an offer to apologize. What I don’t understand is why is it so difficult for them to apologize by saying a simple “sorry”? I remember the Queen of England went to India a few years ago and she went to “Jhalliyan Wala Bagh” where the British troops massacred thousands of innocent civilians, she observed a few seconds of silence and came back. Is it so difficult to say “sorry”? So, far there is no official apology from the UK on Jhalliyan Wala Bagh incident. Kya insaan sorry kehnay say chota ho jaata?

  70. #70 by khansahab on May 30, 2009 - 8:42 AM


    Great to see you back. The million dollar question is whether Gambhir and Sehwag will be in form. If they are India is definitely going to the semi finals.

    The middle order is good with players like Raina, Dhoni, Yusuf and Irfan Pathan. These guys are made for T20. Plus the spin attack is Harbhajan and Ojha. So overall a balanced team with good players.

  71. #71 by khansahab on May 30, 2009 - 9:50 AM

    Amitabh Bachchan has refused a doctorate that was being conferred upon him by an Australian university, in a reaction to the racist attacks on Indians recently.

    I sympathise with Indians because of these attacks, but I have said before that there is a very thin line between nationalism and jingoism.

    I am not saying about all Indians, or even most Indians, but people like Amitabh Bachan who have become fanatics. People like that are present in every country, so this is not limited to India only.

    If a university is honouring you like this, why should you reject it? What has the university got to do with the racist attacks?

    If you think about a few years ago when Imran Khan was made Chancellor of Bradford University, he accepted the honour. Racist attacks and anti Muslim/anti Pakistan propaganda is a part of daily British life, and has been so for years, but did Imran refuse this honour? Many mosques have been attacked in the UK and many Muslims and Pakistanis are marginalised and victimised everyday. So does this mean a Pakistani should show attitude to UK if the country is conferring an award on him?

  72. #72 by khansahab on May 30, 2009 - 10:00 AM

    The best batsmen of RBS Cup were:

    Imran Nazir
    Mohd Hafeez
    Fawad Alam
    Nasir Jamshed
    Shoaib Malik
    Younis Khan

    Out of the best bowlers the only known bowlers were Razzaq and Abdur Rehman.

    I think this proves that T20 is a batsman’s game, because reputable batsmen will perform with more consistency than reputable bowlers. Players like Malik, Imran Nazir, Nasir Jamshed and Fawad Alam will be top batsmen in every T20 competition.

    Although Fawad Alam also happens to be one of the best one-day and 4-day batsmen.

  73. #73 by khansahab on May 30, 2009 - 11:42 AM

    Weary India poised for world title defence

    LONDON: Tired limbs, jaded minds and a tricky draw have toughened India’s path as Mahendra Singh Dhoni’s men defend their World Twenty20 title in England next month.

    The June 5-21 tournament is the latest event for Team India in a non-stop roadshow that began with a full tour of New Zealand in February-April before a five-week sojourn in South Africa for the Indian Premier League.

    Dhoni’s team returned home for just three days after the IPL before setting off again for England to defend the title they won in the inaugural Twenty20 World Cup in South Africa in 2007.

    Coach Gary Kirsten admitted the heavy workload was a cause for worry, but the former South African opener was confident his wards will rise to the challenge in England.

    ‘The Indian players have been on the road for a long time and the biggest challenge will be mental fatigue,’ Kirsten said recently.

    ‘But they have enormous pride when representing India and have become a tight unit over the past few months. I am sure they will look forward to reuniting and playing for their country.’

    The gruelling schedule has already seen aggressive opener Virender Sehwag miss some IPL matches due to a finger injury, while pace spearhead Zaheer Khan is recovering from a sore shoulder.

    Skipper Dhoni has been nursing a back strain as a result of being one of the world’s busiest cricketers, who keeps wicket, bats and leads his team in all forms of the game.

    ‘I am not worried at all,’ said Dhoni. ‘One gets used to the modern day schedule and I am sure we will all be raring to go once the tournament starts.’

    The road to the semi-finals is no joy ride for the defending champions even though they are drawn with lowly Bangladesh and Ireland in the preliminary round.

    Three of the toughest rivals in the 12-nation tournament — Australia, South Africa and hosts England — await them in the Super Eights round where the real battle for semi-final places begins.

    India had beaten all three in the space of four magical nights in Durban in 2007 to advance to the final against Pakistan, but few are willing to take an encore for granted.

    ‘You can’t afford to look too far ahead, there is the first round against Bangladesh and Ireland to get through,’ said the Indian captain. ‘We all know what can happen.’

    During the 50-overs-a-side World Cup in the Caribbean in 2007, India were sensationally knocked out by Bangladesh in the preliminary stage, while Ireland delivered Pakistan a killer blow at the same stage.

    ‘When you are defending champions there will always be added pressure,’said Kirsten.
    ‘That goes with the territory of high-performing teams. This team has played in many pressure situations and has shown what they are capable of.

    ‘There is certainly no danger of complacency within the Indian team. We pride ourselves in taking each game as it comes and giving 100 percent on a daily basis.’

    India have a good Twenty20 record, with eight wins in 13 matches so far.

    But since beating Pakistan in the 2007 final in Johannesburg, the Indians have lost three of their five matches, including both games on the recent tour of New Zealand.

  74. #74 by khansahab on May 30, 2009 - 11:50 AM

    Pakistan head to England with revenge on their mind

    KARACHI: Pakistan is confident that a tough conditioning camp and psychological counseling will make up for a lack of playing time and prepare the team for a serious assault on the Twenty20 World Cup in England.

    The Pakistan squad departed for next month’s tournament on Saturday with coach Intikhab Alam advocating the strength of careful preparation going into the second edition of the 12-nation event.

    ‘No one can make any predictions about Twenty20 matches but I am backing my team to do very well because the preparations have been top class,’ Alam told reporters before the team boarded a London-bound plane.

    In 2007, Pakistan lost to arch-rivals India in the final of the inaugural event in South Africa, a defeat that Alam said still hurt his players and acted as an incentive to go one better this time around.

    ‘They have been through a grueling conditioning camp in the mountains and have had very productive sessions with a sports psychologist,’ he added.

    Something Pakistan could not prepare for, however, was last week’s withdrawal of spearhead paceman Shoaib Akhtar because of a skin infection, although he has been replaced by Rao Iftikhar.

    Better news for the side came when off-spinner Saeed Ajmal’s bowling action was cleared last week after he had been reported by match officials for a suspect action.

    Alam said Shoaib’s absence was unfortunate but there were plenty of capable players in the side.

    ‘Whether it’s a test match, one-day or Twenty20 international, the sports psychologist has impressed upon the guys that cricket is a team game and not about individuals,’ Alam added.

    Pakistan and India will play a warm up match at the Oval on June three with the International Cricket Council (ICC) having decided that proceeds from the game would be given to the victims of the attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore in March.

    The Pakistan coach said his team had some very experienced players who had the ability to adjust quickly to English conditions.

    ‘I don’t think that would be a problem. What we must guard against is complacency, because no opponent can be taken lightly,’ he said.

    Alam added Pakistan’s strength lay in its varied bowling attack and they had the pace bowlers to exploit pitches in England.

    Pakistan are in Group B along with hosts England and the Netherlands.

  75. #75 by Varun Suri on May 30, 2009 - 1:36 PM

    Hello Everyone,

    It’s been a long time since i wrote on LS and also i was unable to follow it for couple of months as first i lost my job due to the recession and then i had to be in India for quite sometime due to a personal matter.

    But now i am back in Netherlands and actively seeking a job and subsequently decided to become ‘active’ rather than ‘dormant’ here on LS now that the T20 World Cup is soon to begin which is a perfect opportunity for all of us to get together, and set aside our differences of opinion and enjoy the game of Cricket with some hoping to seek revenge and some hoping to repeat the past glory while others hoping for their success.

    Although i have been in Holland/Netherlands for more than 2 Years but i admit i still do not know any Dutch Cricketer’s name (except that one bowler who got hit for 6 sixes by Gibbs) and i am sure they are not as good or decent as Bangladesh or Ireland that they can cause an upset in a T-20 and beat Pakistan but Pakistan against England could be anybody’s game as the English players would obviously have the home advantage.

    While India is grouped with 2 Teams who have already caused upsets in the past so some can expect/hope:) such an event happening again in a T-20 Game.

    It is very difficult to make predictions in a T-20 Game which we have already seen with IPL and many other T-20 games hence i would not say that i am predicting it but i would like to see India, Pakistan, South Africa and England as the four semi-finalists and from then on it’s anybody’s game….

    More later..

  76. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2009 - 1:37 PM

    What the EFF is COOLING PERIOD?

    Check out the link from cricinfo about Abdul Razzaq and Mohammad Yousuf’s availability for national team.

    Although Wasim Bari is saying: “They are available for selection now and that is a good thing,” so what is the bad thing that Abdul Razzaq is not in the team for T20 WC? Why do you have to exclude him and take him in the team when Pakistan visits Sri Lanka next month? This news is not a surprise for the PCB, they were aware that the ICL have released them so they should have included the ICL rebels in the squad, just like they kept a seat for Saeed Ajmal, while his report from Australia was due and he has been cleared by them and he is in the squad.

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2009 - 1:50 PM


    Abdul Hafiz is not a dependable player,
    he plays well in the domestic matches but fails miserably when he is needed at the international level. He did the same in last year’s IPL and sat outside most of the time. So, no matter how he may have performed I would never include him in my team i.e., Pak XI international.

    About, India’s fatigue and over kill and cricket crunch all these buzz words are being used as a two way sword, they are trying to make it an excuse to defend the title and use this IPL in SA as a shield to say “we lost because our boyz didn’t get enough rest.” And, if they win, they will say, “despite the hectic schedule we won and the IPL gave our boyz some experience to handle this T20 format better than others.”

    And, Pakistan’s aggression and dramay-bazi that we are reading through the media that they are out for a revenge is another BS. This year, it may not be an India – Pak final, because everyday is not a Sunday and India will NOT win the Cup this time for sure. Pakistan team should play cricket with aggression but, they should keep their mouth shut, especially Intekhab Alam and Ijaz Butt, because they speak from both ends and they speak too much.

    Younus Khan doesn’t know how to speak, he reminds me of Mohammad Azharuddin who used to speak the same way, brrrrr brrrrrr brrrrrr brrrrrrr, array baba wait, take a breath and listen to the guy first what he is asking? And don’t start blabbing what you have on your mind.

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2009 - 1:51 PM

    Varunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn good to see you too. 😀

  79. #79 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2009 - 2:00 PM

    I agree with Varun that in a match between England and Pakistan, the former will have home advantage besides, they are improving especially Bopara and Broad. If Pakistan fields like West Indies then the cat called Stuart Broad who got SIX lives in his 37 runs could easily do the damage and the Mascara man called Mascarenhas has a golden arm along with Jimmy Anderson. Although Pakistan has won more T20 matches than England, but they have a history of losing against England in England in ODI’s.

  80. #80 by Awas on May 30, 2009 - 4:40 PM

    Pawan and Varun

    It’s good to see you back. Varun, good luck with your job hunting.

    Let’s enjoy T20. Keep commenting.

    It’s difficult to predict who will win. It’s a game of lottery. As I said in the last thread too, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if last year’s finalists are out well before, this time. So let’s see.

  81. #81 by khansahab on May 30, 2009 - 5:10 PM


    I am sorry to hear you lost your job. It has happened with a few of my friends too. I hope you find a good opportunity soon.

    I don’t think Pakistan are any more likely than India to win this Cup because although India have the fatigue factor going against them, Pakistan are ever so inconsistent. Younis’s fans claim he is professional and if his captaincy style is professional, it should result in some consistency, so let us see. It is still early days for him.

    The problem is that Pakistan’s batting is very brittle and it can fall like a deck of cards. In the days of Younis, Inzamam and Yousuf anyone of them could play a long innings under pressure but now, Malik and Misbah are unreliable.

    India also has a relatively inexperienced middle order without Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid, but they have a solid opening pair. That is why I said above that if Sehwag and Gambhir click, India will definitely reach the semi final at least.

    Bowling wise they are OK, Pathan and RP are good T20 bowlers. They have a decent spin attack although there Pakistan has an edge with Afridi and Ajmal.

    Again between two teams I think there are better players in India, but Pakistan has some very good individual players who can do something special like Gul, Afridi, Younis, Misbah (in T20 only) and Fawad Alam.

    The “home” factor can work both ways for Pakistan and India. Both teams will have a lot of support from the crowd but how they handle the pitch will be difficult to say. Chances are Indian openers will handle them much better than their Pakistani counterparts. That’s why I said that Butt and Shahzad need to forget about settling in and they need to go for their shots from the first over. They are incapable of playing a long, difficult, classic and orthodox cricket knock on a seaming track so they should stop wasting time and go on full blast.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 30, 2009 - 5:32 PM

    Awas, I was looking at the squads this morning and to me on paper, Australia still looks a very strong and formidable team to take the Cup. Last month when Pakistan defeated them in Dubai, Ponting, Mike Hussey, Mitchel Johnson, Brett Lee were all missing. And, no one is talking about Sri Lanka, they are the underdogs and can surprise many teams. New Zealand is very balanced but they had a cliff hanger with Bangladesh in the warm up game. But, I don’t reckon BD are any threat to anyone except for pulling off one or two games to surprise them but, they are not consistent.

    With Pakistan’s openers I have no hope in their batting and with this kinda openers you can never make a 180 or 200 to put the opposition under pressure. So, their reliance would be mainly on bowling but that cannot win every match. There has to be a balance which is lacking and that is why inconsistency is there.

  83. #83 by khansahab on May 30, 2009 - 8:03 PM


    I am not support Hafeez, but maybe Tendulkar copies Hafeez 🙂

  84. #84 by khansahab on May 30, 2009 - 10:33 PM

    Rookie Pak opener wants to emulate Sehwag


    Karachi: Rookie opener Shahzaib Hasan, who was a surprise inclusion in Pakistan’s squad for the Twenty20 World Championships, says he wants to emulate his explosive Indian counterpart Virender Sehwag in the mega-event that starts June 5 in England.
    The 19-year-old was included in the Pakistan squad and has been backed by skipper Younis Khan to do well in the tournament.
    Shahzaib has a tally of 80 fours and 13 sixes in 10 first-class matches. The youngster says he loves watching Sehwag in action.

    “He is someone I would like to emulate and bat like. He dictates the pace of the game and I want to do that,” Hasan said.
    Hailing from Karachi, the youngster has already made an impact in the national Twenty20 Championship that concluded on last night.
    Shahzaib might find it difficult to get a spot in the playing XI because the Pakistani think-tank is contemplating using wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal as a makeshift opener in the tournament.
    “I will wait for my chance when it comes I will try to take it with both hands. For me just to get into the Pakistan team is a dream come true. Because my career is not a very long one,” Hasan said.

  85. #85 by M. Y.. Kasim on May 31, 2009 - 3:31 AM


    I am curious to find out the speeds of these young rookie fast bowlers.

    Aizaz Cheema, Sohail Khan, Mohammed Talha.

    Plus any other upcoming rookie you know, in addition to that of newly recruited Mohammed Aamer and our old horse Umer Gul.

    As you know, I am always of the opinion that real fast bowlers wins the matches and not the medium-pacers, unless, ofcourse, they are exceptionally good.

    What we have and what we expect in near future, post-Shoaib Akhtar-Mohammed Asif.


  86. #86 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 9:46 AM

    Kasim sahab

    All of these bowlers are capable of bowling at 90 mph. Aizaz Cheema was known to be faster than Shoaib Akhtar but he is always injured. Sohail Khan cuts down on his pace at times but he can still hit 90mph, although he is not that fast. Talha, I don’t think he has ever consistently hit 90mph, but I think he can bowl in late 80’s.

    There is this tall bowler called Mohammad Irfan, he is like 6’6″ or something. We may see him playing in a few years. He has good bounce and decent pace.

    Mohammad Naved of Lahore is rated highly. He is inexperienced but has impressed. Junaid Khan of NWFP is a good bowler too, but he lacks pace. He is also very young.

    Pace bowling is dying in Pakistan and apart from 2 or 3 names, there is no one who is considered as a future player for Pakistan.
    With a lack of genuine spinners and genuine fast bowlers I think Pakistan will find it hard to be a good Test side. They will only be a good T20 side I think in 10 years time.

  87. #87 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 11:26 AM

    Warm up matches will be televised.

    Link will be posted on LS and matches will be covered live.

    I will be covering the warm ups, not sure about proper matches though. Javed A Khan will cover them maybe 🙂

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 31, 2009 - 12:04 PM

    khansahab, yes me too, I have read about the warm up matches to be televised for free. But, the whole T20 WC package is costing $129 for us here and I am taking it. Anyways, I will see if I am watching them then I will cover them here, but it all depends on the timing if it is not clashing with my work. I prefer the night (my time) matches because, they are uninterrupted, whereas day (my time) are not so convenient. Anyways, lets see.

    MY Kasim

    On fast bowlers, I do agree that medium pacers don’t win matches for you but, genuine fast bowlers do. The point is, if a fast bowler can consistently bowl in mid-eighties with good line and length, then he is better than someone who bowls at 90 mph. If you look at Akhtar’s bowling because of his speed he was unable to swing the ball earlier i.e., his ball would swing after it has passed the batsman and that is if it has not been hit for a four. Slightly slower bowlers who bowl around 80 mph have better control and swing both. Glen McGrath, Wasim Akram, Kapil Dev etc.

    Gone are the days when batsmen were afraid of fast bowlers, now they wear strong helmets with face grill, elbow pads, gloves, rib guards, thigh guards, abdomen guard shin guards under their pads so, they feel very well protected and safe that is why they throw their bat even when facing Akhtar and anything that is wide outside the off-stump is a bonus, even a flick would end up for a six over the point or gully. Hitting a six over point was considered a very rare thing in the past, but now we have seen sixes flying over the slips and over the wicketkeeper’s head.

    Finally, Shahzaib or whoever should stop emulating Sehwag or anyone, they should play their own natural game the moment they start emulating they are doomed to fail. Remember Shaikhupura’s McGrath, budding Wasim Akram (Sohail Tanvir) budding Tendulker (Suresh Raina) he struggled a lot and changed his Tendulkarish attitude because he cannot be one, so now he is better. Either they emulate or the media starts comparing them with these icons after seeing the kid scoring just one good innings. Remember Nasir Jamshed was emulating Imran Nazir and Shahid Afridi and since then he is not consistent.

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 31, 2009 - 12:08 PM

    Boycott thinks either India or South Africa will win the ICC T20 cup. I think neither of them will win. But, both teams, Australia and NZ will be in the top 4. The other two are tukka-wala so we cannot predict which one. Although I want Pakistan to win but, with Butt and Ahmad Shahzad opening they may not even beat West Indies and England. And, they cannot expect to reach finals each time without a balanced team.

  90. #90 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 12:16 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I think more than the openers, the middle order needs to show some spine. Having good openers helps but Pakistan has not had good openers for so long, but Younis, Malik and Misbah have been automatic selections.

    They have all been associated with captaincy and they need to take some responsibility. Younis is a Test player but Malik and Misbah need to play well, because they are mainly T20 players. If they don’t perform then they should be demoted or sacked.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 31, 2009 - 12:26 PM


    If openers don’t play well the score remains under 150 and when they play well you can aspire to reach 200 and that is the difference. But, don’t keep your hopes on Misbah and Malik only, you have 7 batsmen and they must all play well. If Younus is a test player then he should not be playing T20. You think Butt is not a test player? Between the two new youngsters, Ahmad Shahzad and Nasir Jamshed, I would pick the later and make him open the innings with Kamran Akmal i.e., if YK is reluctant to send Shahid Afridi and Kamran Akmal just for the fear of losing Afridi early. But, what good it is if Butt and Shahzad plays 8 overs and score 30 odd runs? If Afridi survives it is 80 plus total, so we are talking about 50 runs difference if you have aggressive openers.

    Also, you have to understand that the middle order players cannot come and hit the ball from the word go. First of all they are not like them, secondly they come to the crease slightly under pressure i.e., after wickets have fallen, thirdly the 4 overs power play option is over. So, all these things combined together makes the difference on their scoring (not to mention how the wicket is behaving and how the bowlers are bowling i.e., after taking one or two wickets they usually bowl with their tails up, whereas, after being hit for sixes and fours their confidence is dented.) How many of you will say “I am agree” after reading this comment? 😀

  92. #92 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 12:31 PM

    Javed A Khan

    By playing with responsibility I did not mean that they should go on the attack necessarily. I have mentioned in the thread that openers need to play lofted shots and aggressively because both Butt and Shahzad have problems playing in the gaps.

    What I meant is that Malik and Misbah need to play intelligently. If that means wasting a few balls under pressure, they can do that but what they must not do is show poor technique or struggle to play as they did against Australia recently on a pitch that was tailor made for Pakistanis.

    What can you expect from guys like Akmal and Afridi? They have to perform, yes, but the onus is not on them because Akmal has to be in the team on accounts of being a keeper and Afridi is there because of his bowling.

  93. #93 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 1:56 PM

    Recently it was revealed on a Pakistani channel that Zardari was wearing a suit and watch worth $70,000 (approx Rs 5670000).

    He also stayed in a hotel in the USA recently where the rate was $5000 per night. His son Bilawal accompanied him and stayed in a $2500 suite.

  94. #94 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 2:11 PM

    Windies can spring a few surprises: Younis

    KARACHI: Pakistan skipper Younis Khan has picked India, South Africa and the West Indies as the teams most likely to give his side tough competition in the ICC World Twenty20 to be held in England from June 5.

    The top-order batsman felt despite their recent poor performance against England, West Indies remain a dangerous customer in the shortest format of the game.

    “India and South Africa are good and capable of winning the cup alongside Pakistan but the West Indians can spring a few surprises,” Younis said.

    He said last edition’s runners-up Pakistan possess the necessary talent and experience to go the distance this time.

    “But in T20 cricket or for that matter in any other form of the game it is how you play on a particular day and how consistent you can be in your performances,” he said.

    The senior pro also ruled out lack of international exposure for Pakistan players as a deterrent.

    “Our players are well versed in T20 cricket and that is why I am confident that if we play to our full ability and as a team we can definitely win the cup but we have to be on our feet all the time,” he said.

    The skipper is banking on left-arm pacer Sohail Tanvir to fire in the biennial event.

    “He showed us in the last T20 World Cup and then in the Indian Premier League that he is a fantastic performer in this format of the game.

    “But in recent times he has not been focusing on his game but now after a hard talk he has become focused again and I am sure he will be one of the stars of the tournament,” said the senior batsman, who feels the presence of Shahid Afridi, Umar Gul, Kamran Akmal and Shoaib Malik make Pakistan a formidable unit. He also expected tall scores in the World Cup since playing conditions in England during this time of the year would be ideal for batters.

    “It becomes easier to bat in English conditions in June and I think we will see some tall scores in the tournament because the grounds are also small in England. But it will be difficult to defend anything around 150 you need more runs,” said the captain who is looking forward to the World Cup after an indifferent form with the bat in the recent ODI series against Australia.

  95. #95 by Pawan on May 31, 2009 - 5:12 PM

    Good to see some intense cricket analysis from Khansahab, Javed, Awas, Omer and Munir. Any team which clicks as a team can win the T20 world cup, according to me. It doesn’t really matter if you have big players in your team or not. As seen in the IPL1 and 2, the team with great “team-spirit” are the ones that did really well and won. Last IPL, Rajasthan Royals had great team spirit, this year, the Deccan Chargers and Bangalore Royal Challengers really were up to it.

    International teams, any of them, can win the world cup, if they keep their chins up and play with winning team spirit. For that to happen, methinks there should be harmony within the team and real good personal relations between the team members.

    Just a thought.

  96. #96 by Awas on May 31, 2009 - 5:49 PM


    Good observation there about “the team with great team-spirit are the ones that did really well and won”. khansahab had been saying the same thing about Lahore Lions and Sialkot Stallions and the result showed as they reached the RBS final.

    Intikhab Alam said something similar about the sports psychologist that he did a good job and said, “Whether it’s a Test match, one-day or Twenty20 international, the sports psychologist has impressed upon the guys that cricket is a team game and not about individuals.”

  97. #97 by Q on May 31, 2009 - 5:53 PM

    Btw, any idea why Khalid Latif captained Khi Dolphins and not Afridi?

  98. #98 by Awas on May 31, 2009 - 5:56 PM


    If the hot spell continues the way it is now there is unlikely to be much swing around in these conditions. Most matches would be high scoring contests.

    “…there always needs to be an aggressive player along with a defensive player to maintain momentum…” Hence my point in earlier discussions that players such as Younus are necessary and have a role to play.

  99. #99 by Awas on May 31, 2009 - 6:38 PM

    Younus views success in the World Twenty20 as the best way to make his troubled nation smile again.

    When there is general despondency within the nation together with no international cricket being played at home, winning the cup can bring cheers for many and bring some positives for Pak cricket. If the team unites and is determined to do something for the country in such difficult times then anything is possible.

    Fate does funny things sometimes in situations like these. So, this could be Pakistan’s moment.

  100. #100 by Pawan on May 31, 2009 - 7:35 PM


    I don’t think you need two players (Butt and Shehzad) of same kind in the team. One of them ca surely take a miss in T20.

    I would play them in this order,

    1.Butt (or Shehzad)

    Younus, Malik and Misbah can provide stability to the order once Akmal, Afridi and Alam have gone berserk earlier.

    Yes, team-spirit can make or break any team.. So true! Take example of Deccan Chrgers, they were talented bunch of individuals last IPL, but could not function as a team. But this time round, they all were rowing the boat in the same direction, result – winners hands down!

  101. #101 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 8:04 PM


    Very well written. I am agree that a victory will be good for the morale of Pakistanis, but they must not be arrogant after this because T20 is not real cricket and cricketers don’t learn anything from this format. That is, of course when they are playing Test cricket.

    Look at how much attention and praise was showered upon Misbah and Tanvir after T20 WC 2007, and look what happened. Misbah has only played 1 or 2 good Test knocks and Tanvir is not even considered a Test bowler. In any event his bowling as declined and he did not make a serious impact in the recently concluded RBS Cup.

  102. #102 by Awas on May 31, 2009 - 8:09 PM


    Yes indeed when praise was showered on those players it definitely got into their heads.

  103. #103 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 8:28 PM


    On the field Afridi was captaining the Dolphins, so he was the de facto captain. He was effecting fielding changes and he also promoted himself to bat at no 4, when it was Hasan Raza’s turn to come into bat.

    I don’t know why Latif was made captain although I think it is something to do with the fact that Afridi had to go to America for a few days in May, and maybe he returned very late or something.

  104. #104 by khansahab on May 31, 2009 - 8:46 PM

    All-rounders can do the trick for Pakistan: Younis

    LONDON: Pakistan captain Younis Khan on Sunday laid the emphasis on sensible batting from his side in order to lift the forthcoming ICC World Twenty20 in England.

    Speaking at Lord’s during the captains’ press conference on the eve of Pakistan’s first warm-up against South Africa, Younis played down the lack of aggressiveness at the top of the order and, instead, pointed out the presence of all-rounders as his side’s secret to success.

    ‘I wouldn’t worry about slow openers because we have big hitters like Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi and Misbah-ul-Haq, who is a top Twenty20 player,’ Younis said.

    ‘We actually need players like Salman Butt at the top of the order since the ball is seaming and swinging and he’s someone who can last 20 overs in the middle.’

    Apart from Salman, Pakistan have two other specialist openers in the side, Ahmed Shahzad and Shahzaib Hasan, both of whom are yet to make their Twenty20 International debut.

    Younis, reluctant to divulge exact details, hinted at the possibility of Kamran Akmal or Afridi opening the batting if the situation arises. He also urged his team, lacking the killer instinct in the last World Twenty20 Championship, to ensure the added experience since then is utlilised effectively.

    ‘We played really well last time round [in South Africa] but failed to lift the trophy as we lacked the finishing touch. We lost to India prior to the final because we failed to hit the stumps [in the bowl-out] and in the final we failed to overcome the final hurdle after getting so close.

    ‘We have, however, worked on that since and we would love to be in the final again and hopefully going one better this time.’

    Younis also termed the tournament as ideal preparation, especially for youngsters, if the plans of having a ‘home’ series against Australia in England due to security concerns go ahead. While the PCB has been in discussions with their Australian and English counterparts, Younis is already looking ahead to receiving good support from the ‘passionate’ Pakistan fans based in England.

    ‘Playing in Pakistan is more important than playing anywhere else. However, with the current situation, playing in England, especially county and Test cricket is everybody’s dream.

    ‘I was particularly excited when I was playing my first Test here at Lord’s. So I think it’s a good decision [playing Test series against Australia] since we have terrific support all over England. It will also allow our supporters to see their team in action especially with no team willing to visit Pakistan now.’

    For now, following the warm-ups matches against South Africa and India, Pakistan kick off their campaign against hosts England on Sunday before taking on the Netherlands two days later.

    A place in the semi-final is the least Younis wants to achieve in the tournament as he hopes to take back something for the fans to cheer about, especially with the current state of affairs in Pakistan.

    ‘We have good, experienced players and I see no reason for us not to feature in the last four at least. Obviously I’d love to be holding the trophy at the end of the tournament as it will help bring Pakistan back on the world cricket stage.

    ‘It will also give our public something to cheer about at home, especially with the absence of international cricket they may witness at home in the coming months,’ Younis concluded.

  105. #105 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 31, 2009 - 10:01 PM


    Afridi and Younus Khan were both invited to Houston and then there was last minute cancellation. Only Moin Khan went there along with some other unknown TV artistes. My cousin told me that after Friday prayers, (not this Friday but some other time) Moin Khan was appealing to the people to come for that show which was some kinda fund raising dinner. So, Afridi did not go to America this is for sure. Why he did not captain the side is another issue. May be he was planning to go and they announced the captain and then he changed his mind and Latif remained as the captain.

    No matter what you guys say or what we ALL talk about, the selectors will play Salman Butt and he will score 40 – 50 runs at a strike rate of 70 – 75 and will cement his place. Likewise, Malik will also play, but Malik and Fawad Alam will not get a chance, in any case Malik is definitely better than Butt because of his bowling and fielding. Besides, his batting is also better than Butt.

  106. #106 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 31, 2009 - 10:17 PM

    My bad, I had just posted a comment but I didn’t read that statement given by Younus Khan in London and he is aware of the fact that like us there are so many people who are concerned about Butt and the slow openers in the team. And this IDIOT says he is not worried about it. T20 is all about aggressiveness and hard hitting. Sometimes if you score 170-180 runs, even that its not enough, the opposition can chase that total easily and win.

    What is Younus Khan thinking? Is he thinking that 140-150 is a good score?
    NO WAY JOSE, he will end up losing even against West Indies and Sri Lanka and this is what I wrote yesterday and today he is saying that West Indies, India and South Africa can give them hard times. Of course they will if you play BUTT as your opener. Big hitters like Misbah and Afridi or even Malik, their confidence is boosted when the openers score big and they cannot go there and start hitting straight away.

    If you remember during the last T20 WC in SA, Misbah was hitting big, especially against Harbhajan Singh. BUT, does any one remember how much the target was? It was hardly 157- or 158 and in that only Gambhir scored 70 odd runs and India’s dependable Sehwag and Dhoni, Yuvraj et al, the formidable middle order collapsed only Rohit Sharma and Irfan Pathan took that total to some respectability, otherwise India were all out for 122. And Pakistan couldn’t make 158 runs, imagine if the target is 180 plus then?

    Therefore, openers have to score and they have to score aggressively. Younus Khan sala pagal ho gaya ullu ka charqa. First of all the squad selection is wrong and IF Younus Khan makes a wrong team selection and poor batting order, then Pakistan should only think of competing against Scotland, Ireland and Netherlands.

  107. #107 by Pawan on June 1, 2009 - 1:27 AM


    Here’s what Younus Khan has to say about Salman Butt:

    “In English conditions the new ball does seam, so you need someone like Salman Butt who can play for 20 overs. But in the middle order, we have big hitters like Shahid Afridi and Misbah-ul-Haq, he’s a top Twenty20 batsman. So we are not lacking in players.”

    Source –

  108. #108 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 6:29 AM

    Younis Khan is not learning. He has just said, “It will be an achievement if we finish in the top 4”.

    Yeah right. They were the finalists last year and this year they are happy to finish in the top 4?

    I think even Malik did not make such defensive statements.

    This is the height of protecting your own a$$. Like before the Australian series he said that his players will learn something from Australia. If they have learned anything from Australia why are they happy to remain in top 4 and not be the no 1 side?

  109. #109 by Mohammed Munir on June 1, 2009 - 11:55 AM

    Younis Khan is a nut …

    He said we want the openers to perform and play for full 20 overs and he also said we have big hitters in Afridi, Misbah and Malik. It’s like saying, that openers and big hitters will have to play well, and I don’t have any responsibility.

    If openers and big hitters play well and bowlers bowl well, then why the EFF is he in the team? To clap and smile only ? 😆

    I have never seen a Pakistani Captain so ‘chicken’, and the irony is he wants to be like Imran Khan.

  110. #110 by Pawan on June 1, 2009 - 12:21 PM

    I think Younus Khan is a bit moody fellow. Sometimes he is chirpy saying things like he predicts 5-0 win over Australia, sometimes he says he wants to learn from Australia, sometimes he wants to finish in top 4 and so on and so forth.

    He needs to tighten his communication skills with the public and not waver. Today media is a very powerful tool and is like a two way sword. So better get used to it. The earlier the better.

  111. #111 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 12:39 PM

    Basically Younus Khan is a BAWLA and that’s it. He doesn’t know what he is saying and that’s what BAWLAY do. I have been saying this from the beginning that Younus Khan should shut his mouth (so does Intekhab Alam, Saleem Altaf and Ijaz Butt) and let his bat speak. Unfortunately his ODI and T20 performance is zilch, he scored a test triple century against Sri Lanka since he became captain and that is the only achievement.

    But, we are talking about T20 WC now and everyone wants to see the captain leading from the front and not getting defensive by saying “we will be happy to finish among the top 4” and khansahab is right that even the Meesna Malik never gave such defensive statement.

    Anyways, the first warm up match of the day is between Australia and Bangladesh and Australia has won the toss and elected to bat. But, for some reason right now they are showing the match between Netherlands and Ireland. Pakistan plays against South Africa sometime this evening. India plays New Zealand.

  112. #112 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 1:07 PM

    WOW, what a batting performance by the Australians, especially Shane Watson. The live match is on and Australia have scored 99 for no loss in 8 overs. Australia are playing their full strength against Bangladesh and Younus Khan would be doing experiments by trying various opening combination. My bad, the first Australian wicket just fell on the same score 99.

    Punter is in, he looks fit ……..oh, no BD missed a run out chance, Ponting would have gone. Now Haddin is OUT trying to hit a big one like Shane Watson, two wickets in one over. Roy is in.

  113. #113 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 1:24 PM

    Here are a couple of paragraphs from Cricinfo which show the context of what Younis Khan had said:

    “I have a couple of plans,” Younis said. “T20 looks short, but it’s not – 120 balls is enough. If you bat normally but with energy, especially in the middle order where you need good running between the wickets, [a score of] 180-190 is very easy.

    “In English conditions the new ball does seam, so you need someone like Salman Butt who can play for 20 overs. But in the middle order, we have big hitters like Shahid Afridi and Misbah-ul-Haq, he’s a top Twenty20 batsman. So we are not lacking in players.”

    Afridi’s power-hitting game might have been designed with Twenty20 cricket in mind, but Younis was careful not to expect him to shred the opposition every innings. “Afridi was one of best players of the last tournament,” he said. “As a captain I have a few good players, but the main thing is everyone respects him. He’ll come in and though it’s not possible to hit every ball for six, the expectation is there. He’s always done a good job for me, and he’ll do good for Pakistan.”

    I think people are having too many expectations from Pakistan; India, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand are better teams than Pakistan and one of these teams is more likely to win the T20 WC. Pakistan and India had a head start in T20s last time around but most of the teams have caught up so I like what Awas had said that there are good chances neither India and Pakistan will make it to the T20 WC final this time.

  114. #114 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    Imran praises SC decision on Sharifs

    Wednesday, May 27, 2009
    By Our Correspondent


    PAKISTAN Tehreek e Insaaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan has praised the Supreme Court (SC) decision allowing Sharif brothers to contest polls and become the part of electoral process.

    According to a press release issued on Tuesday, the PTI chairman said it proved that if judiciary was independent, the political victimisation and injustice were out of question. He said keeping a political figure of the country out of the parliament was an undemocratic act and the decision allowing Sharif brothers to contest elections was praiseworthy. He said now the nation wanted judiciary to deal as per law with the elements involved in the plundering of national wealth.

    PTI Central Secretary Information Umer Sarfaraz Cheema while talking to The News said a society couldn’t exist without providing justice to its people.

    He said the decision of allowing Sharif brothers to contest polls would strengthen the democratic system of the country. PTI Lahore President Mian Mehmood ul Rasheed and other local leaders of the party also appreciated the court verdict.

  115. #115 by Awas on June 1, 2009 - 2:13 PM


    I wouldn’t worry much about what Younus Dushmans are saying. When his time comes they will all be silenced 🙂

    As Javed suggested, I do prefer too if he speaks less of his ‘futt…futt bolnay waali’ English. It’s as though someone stepped on his tail that he has to let it out all in one breadth 🙂

  116. #116 by Awas on June 1, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    Hands up who believe this site now looks better than the “New Look” Cricinfo.

  117. #117 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 2:34 PM


    Interestingly, I never heard Younis talk so I can’t comment but since an “unbiased” person like you have said it so it must be true.

    LOL, yeah they will be silenced not because Younis will do miracles but because Afridi and Fawad won’t do much either 🙂

    Seriously, Pakistan has a chance to win T20 WC if Tanvir fires with the ball and Afridi with his bat, other than that I’m with Younis that reaching semi finals will be an achievement

    Khansahab, Omer, Javed, and Munir have a point regarding the opening batting though; If Butt is played and his role is supposed to be anchoring one end then the other batsman must be aggressive. Wasting first 6 overs with 6 or 7 run rate will put too much pressure on the middle order.

    Contrary to others, I think Afridi choose to bat down the order and he should open the innings


    If you ask me to fix just one thing that will fix most of Pakistan’s problems then I’ll name “Judicial System”. Without a strict law and accountability we do not stand a chance as a nation.

  118. #118 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 2:34 PM

    This is what happens when the openers give you a flying start. The Australian openers lasted for 8 overs and Bangladesh openers lasted for 4 overs. The former scored 99 in 8 overs and the later scored 49 runs in 5 overs i.e. good going by Bangladesh they are playing in good spirits, their openers are down but Mohammad Ashraful is so full of strokes, the short man is standing tall in front of Mitchel Johnson, Nathan Bracken and Brett Lee’s pace and hitting them for fours over the top. If Butt & Co are watching they should take note of it, this is how they should play.

  119. #119 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 2:42 PM

    Interestingly, I never heard Younis talk so I can’t comment but since an “unbiased” person like you have said it so it must be true. Theossa.

    If I had said that you won’t believe me or consider me as a biased person? Actually I have said that twice that YK speaks brrrrrrrr brrrrrrrrrrr brrrrrrrrrr and also reminds me of Mohammad Azharuddin who used to speak fast and senseless, Younus Khan does the same. Secondly no matter what the question is, he will say whatever he has decided in his mind to say which are totally out of context, just like Inzamam used to do but he used to say in slow motion. And the dumb thing about YK is his laughing in between his comments – just like the Japanese people do, they try to save themselves from embarrassment and laugh for no reason – Younus does the same thing.

  120. #120 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 2:54 PM


    It’s because he does not have good grasp on English nor is he a very educated guy. He was made captain to lead a cricket team and not to be an interview specialist on Geo and such. He’ll get better bullshitting which is what these media circuses are. I would like him and other talk with the bat and ball and would care less how they speak in Public. Yes, I do find you biased towards Younis Khan and Punjabis is general, jk 🙂

    Bangladesh will perhaps lose this match but they have showed heart, and that’s what we need from our big names who misfire at T20s including Younis.

  121. #121 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 2:54 PM

    Mitchel Johnson is generating immense pace from a very short run up, being a lefty he is reminding me of Wasim Akram, who used to bowl in a similar fashion. Johnson got 2 wickets and both clean bowled. He is bowling at 94 mph. He just got Ashraful’s wicket and the batsman was beaten by sheer pace. Although Bangladesh are 3 down for 96 but they have played well so far.

    It is just the difference that the Australian openers have made because of their openers.

  122. #122 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 2:59 PM

    I am not talking about his interviews on GEO TV, I am talking about his brief statements after the toss or after the match is over. TV interviews are different you get enough time to think and respond. That’s what I have been saying that Younus Khan should let his bat speak rather than his mouth. And, we cannot say how good the other person is unless you give him a chance. When Malik was the captain we knew how defensive and biased he is towards non-punjabi players and now, we are seeing Younus Khan that he is also very defensive, more defensive than Malik but, he is not biased or prejudiced but, he is too soft, speaks a lot, laughs a lot and its like the elephants mating, too much noise and no action. He should not do that. Also, we will never know how good or how bad Afridi will be as a captain? OH wow……..what a six from Shakeeb ul hasan two sixes in a row and that too off Andrew Symonds and both sixes are huge. Oh my Gog. 🙂

  123. #123 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 3:03 PM


    We are not ordinary bloggers anymore, we are “media men” and we have our own agenda 🙂

    Like every organisation that seeks to create a change in the status quo, we also work with an agenda to influence change. There is no question about our patriotism or our desire to see a prosperous and united Pakistan.

    At least we have the guts to admit we may have natural biases, because everyone does.

  124. #124 by Awas on June 1, 2009 - 3:05 PM


    “Yes, I do find you biased towards Younis Khan and Punjabis is general, jk”


    If Javed keeps attending those dodgy Punjabi Mehfils then what can one expect 🙂

  125. #125 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 3:05 PM

    LOL at khansahab, well said.

  126. #126 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 3:08 PM

    Geo TV was very biased against Musharraf, the majority of Pakistanis were in love with Geo TV because they used to sensationalise every little thing and project it like a big bang had occurred.

    Compared to Geo TV’s bias and sensationalism, we are nothing.

  127. #127 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 3:14 PM


    A mild battle is coming next and there will be blood, we will be out with our knives sharpened:

    It’s going to be Fawad & Afridi vs Younis

    In other words:

    Khansahab, Javed, Munir vs Theossa & Awas

    It’s on baby!

  128. #128 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 3:23 PM


    I know you’re from Lahore but just assume for the sake of warm up game that you are from Gujrat. I need you to be Wehshi Gujjar, drop your politeness and take on a couple of Akhroats with Anti Younis agenda 🙂

    I wish our trump guy, Abdul/A I can join us. He is from Lahore but he talks like Genghis Khan with force and fire

  129. #129 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 3:33 PM


    “Munir” is not on the side of Javed A Khan and Khansahab 🙂

    He is anti Younis, anti Fawad and anti Afridi.

    Please take him 🙂

  130. #130 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 3:40 PM

    The fact that Bangladesh could score 180 odd against Australia, and that also batting second, shows that T20 gives weaker teams a chance to perform.

    What Javed A Khan said earlier should now be considered. Pakistan HAS to raise their level of batting and the openers have to attack from the first ball. A team like Bangladesh can score 180. Bangladesh has hence become quite capable of beating Pakistan.

  131. #131 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 3:41 PM


    Do you have the link which will telecast the Pak-SA warm up match live?

    LOL @ “Munir is anti Younis, anti Fawad and anti Afridi, please take him”

    I suppose it’s more to with his “Anti Musharaf” behavior that you don’t want him 😀

    Munir if you’re not with me you’re my enemy!

  132. #132 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 3:41 PM


    Javed is a one man demolition squad, with khansahab its an added bonus. Anytime BaByeEee 😀

    khansahab, actually Munir na idher ka na udher ka ….. you don’t know which side he belongs 😉 perhaps its all in the wink.

  133. #133 by Mohammed Munir on June 1, 2009 - 3:43 PM

    Yeh Ma’Badolat Ka Naam Kis Nein Liya Hai ? 😉

  134. #134 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 3:45 PM

    I am watching LIVE on TV channel 403 and these warm up matches are for FREE.
    Australia won the match comfortably with 38 runs, the difference is because of the aggressive opening stand.

    The next match is India vs. NZ and then the key match for us is Pak vs SA at Trentbridge, its a beautiful sunny day at Trentbridge, and Pak match starts at 17:30 local time.

  135. #135 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 3:45 PM


    I like the new Cricinfo look. The reason is that I like new things on my PC. I keep changing my desktop background, my browser themes and my screensavers etc.

    That is why I don’t think I will be able to commit to my future wife 🙂 I will probably want a new hot and sexy wife every week. It will have to be a huge emotional battle to force myself to just commit to one.

  136. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 3:46 PM

    Munir Ana, Ma bidoon daulat nay liya hai. Bolo kya chahiyeh?

  137. #137 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 3:49 PM


    Actually politics is different, I can understand what problems people envisage with dictatorship.

    However, I guess all of us are less tolerant when it comes to cricket because we are more passionate about it? I don’t have a problem with anyone disagreeing, but I think I will be more compelled to argue and discuss if someone disagrees over cricket.

    Please wait until the match starts, and I will find a link. No point in looking for a link now if it won’t show the match!

  138. #138 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 3:50 PM

    I will be back in the next 30 minutes when the India NZ match starts, g2g out for a while. TC and Munir don’t sleep its too early for you.

  139. #139 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 3:50 PM


    LOL, after the game we will see you as One man deflated squad. Adding a flat tired Khansahab will be a bonus 🙂

  140. #140 by Mohammed Munir on June 1, 2009 - 3:50 PM

    Aisey Mat Poochho, Kay Kya Chahiyeh …… Ahhhhh

    Zamana Hogaya Hai, Kissi Nein Itnay Piyar Sey Nahin Poochha Jaisay Aap Nein 😀

  141. #141 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 3:51 PM

    Theossa, not that I want Pakistan to loose just to prove myself right, laikin na ghora dooor na maidaan.

  142. #142 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 3:54 PM

    Munir I stopped at kya chahiyeh deliberately but now you are asking for trouble.

    Maar diya jayaie kay chor diya jayaie
    Bol teray sath kay salook kiya jayaie

  143. #143 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 3:56 PM


    No one is against Younis, he is a great player. I added him at no 3 on my list of great Pakistani batsmen, ahead of Inzamam and Yousuf.

    When he gets into form, he is great to watch because he dominates the bowling completely and he can hit good shots on good balls.

    I am not happy with there being a T20 World Cup, because if you have an ODI World Cup and T20 World Cup why should you not have a Test World Cup? I know practically speaking it won’t be possible because of the time it will take, but still, in theory why should Test cricket be discriminated like this?

    It is silly because the world champions in T20 will change every 2 years. ODI World Cup is the real deal, where the semi finalists deserve to be the top 4 sides.

  144. #144 by Mohammed Munir on June 1, 2009 - 3:57 PM

    Munir is not anti anyone 😦

    I like Younis but I think I have a right to criticise him. It’s when you love someone, you have a right to scrutinize them.

    I also like Afridi, infact I like him too much. If nothing else, he is one of my own 😉

    And finally Fawad, well well, I “like” him too. (BTW, how old is Fawad) 😉

    Javed Khan ………..

    Kidhar Bhaagta Hai?

  145. #145 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 3:58 PM

    Munir, tum ne Javed se aise kaha jaise loag upne mehbooba se kehte hain aor us ne jawab bhe eik “Khatoon wale gane” se diya hai. LOL, yeh kia horaha hai yahan?

  146. #146 by Mohammed Munir on June 1, 2009 - 4:03 PM

    Theo …

    Don’t worry positive/ positive repells only 😉

  147. #147 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 4:09 PM


    If it is a pretty “+” I don’t repel 😀

  148. #148 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 4:12 PM


    Abbhee Younis Khan nai batting shoro he nahin kee aor tumhara tire flat horaha hai. Lugta hai, it’s going to be “One man deflated squad” only.

  149. #149 by Mohammed Munir on June 1, 2009 - 4:13 PM

    Since Javed left, there is no fun for me 😉

    I have to leave also.

    Yaar Bina Chain Kahan Rayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 🙄

  150. #150 by Mohammed Munir on June 1, 2009 - 4:16 PM

    Here is the last one …

    😆 🙂 😉 🙄 😦 😛 😀 8) 😈 :shocked:

    Anyone knows others 😉

  151. #151 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 4:19 PM


    The above link has been advertised as showing Pakistan vs South Africa.

    The quality is brilliant but it is very slow. Will work better on faster internet connections. You shouldn’t have many problems sitting in the USA!

  152. #152 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 4:33 PM

    LOL at Thurkey Munir today. Have a good one Bud.

    Khansahab, it’s not working. I guess that Active X thing is not installed otherwise the connection I have is pretty fast 😦

  153. #153 by Awas on June 1, 2009 - 4:35 PM

    Dhoni elected to field whereas Graham Smith elected to bat. Interesting!

  154. #154 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 4:39 PM

    Many people were saying Fawad Alam would be played in the first match, but he is not playing……

    So my hunch proved right.

  155. #155 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 4:51 PM

    Team selection looks very shady to say the least. If they are not giving Fawad an opportunity in the warm-ups then what can we expect in the regular games? So much for my prediction Fawad playing in the T20 games. Biased selection, the most repeated story ever told.

  156. #156 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 4:54 PM

    Tanvir is getting hammered. He looks in bad shape. Also there have been a couple of misfields.

  157. #157 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 5:04 PM

    Tanvir should be dropped.

  158. #158 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 5:16 PM

    I think Pakistan lacks the new ball bowlers to contain any opposition. Tanvir is completely off colored and Iftikhar has sweet gentle pace. Sohail Khan should be tried in the next game but I think Younis will insist with these two as he supports Tanvir. I wish we had Razzaq as he could bat as well.

  159. #159 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 5:23 PM


    Having Fawad Alam in place of Butt or Shahzad will bolster batting, fielding and bowling but they are reluctant to try him. That is because they are afraid he is a too good player.

  160. #160 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 5:29 PM

    Khansahab, I am agree. What bothers me the most why not in the *fn* warm ups? This is *fn* unreal.

  161. #161 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 5:32 PM

    The fast bowlers have been rubbish and the fielding has been rubbish too. Younis Khan has not learned anything and neither has the team.

    All that training in Bhurban, all that crap about sports psychologist etc, what has that done?

  162. #162 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 5:37 PM

    They can still win it but if this is preview of what’s coming, it will be a horror movie. They need to get disciplined very quickly.

  163. #163 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 5:52 PM

    LOL, the best T20 bowler Umar Gul got murdered by Morkel, 3 sixes in row, Take that! I guess psychologist did a good job of telling guys, “It’s a team sport”, and everyone is going to screw their assignment 😀

  164. #164 by Awas on June 1, 2009 - 6:12 PM

    Calm down guys. It’s only warm ups. Things can only get better.

    Fawad should get a chance against India.

    India did well restricting NZ to 170

  165. #165 by Awas on June 1, 2009 - 6:23 PM

    Butt seems like a liability. Not only in fielding but in batting too. They got to replace him with Fawad Alam.

  166. #166 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 6:24 PM


    You gave the impression that Pakistan was lame coz of warm-ups. What about the other team? If SA had played to their potential then lord o mercy. Like I said they need to get their act together very fast.

  167. #167 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 6:28 PM

    I’m not sure if Ahmed Shehzad is ready to play T20, there were better options than him. Very questionable team selection! Pakistan is going down.

  168. #168 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 6:34 PM

    Kamran Akmal is awful too; Pakistan is going down for sure.

  169. #169 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 6:47 PM

    Well played Ahmed Shahzad. He was middling the ball and he also played in the gaps. It was opposite to how he played against Australia.

  170. #170 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 6:48 PM

    LOL Misbah you idiot.

  171. #171 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 6:53 PM


    Younis 14 from 13 balls?

    Not a great knock 🙂

  172. #172 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 6:54 PM


    Ahmed was trying to play his shots but took 27 balls to score 33 runs, not fast enough for T20 opener. So I am not agree. Yonis will do the rest 😀

  173. #173 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 6:58 PM

    LOL, Younis stinks and I did too as I was expecting him to play! But he is the captain so he’ll be there. Awas got me into believing in Younis, damn you Awas!

  174. #174 by Theossa on June 1, 2009 - 7:00 PM

    Time to go home, Pakistan Zindabad 😀

  175. #175 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 7:00 PM

    It is so obvious that Pakistan need to play an extra batsman and a spinner too. Even in the Austraian series they lacked a batsman and a spinner. Tanvir is out of form and Rao is inconsistent. And Gul is also no Wasim Akram or Waqar Younis.

    So they needed Fawad Alam badly but politics will prevail.

    Afridi was unlucky. I think umpire Saheba was sleeping whereas umpire Long should not have asked the question to Saheba. It will very clear that the ball was above waist height.

  176. #176 by Awas on June 1, 2009 - 7:09 PM

    They have fallen like 9-pins.

    Let’s watch India v NZ match. It’s more interesting.

    The best match was Ireland v Holland.

  177. #177 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 7:14 PM


    It’s only a warm up but as the saying goes, “Failure to prepare is preparation to fail”.

    South Africa look much better prepared. Pakistan is just a pathetic and unprofessional side that needs to get rid of senior players and get some young faces and start afresh.

  178. #178 by khansahab on June 1, 2009 - 7:42 PM

    When your best batsman is a 17 year old rookie who has hardly played any domestic cricket, you know there is a problem.

    Shahzad got his lucky break against Australia where his selection over Khalid Latif and Khurram Manzoor was unfair, but he played well today against a strong bowling attack. Well done!

    I think Afridi had a good game, fielded well generally, bowled OK and was batting confidently but was unfortunate.

    Ajmal was outstanding and South Africans could not read him. Surely Ajmal has cemented his place at least in limited overs cricket.

    Umar Gul did not bowl badly but today he lacked variation. However his stats don’t project his bowling, he bowled better than his stats demonstrate.

    Pakistan needs to drop Tanvir, open with Akmal and Shahzad and play Fawad Alam. Mohd Aamer should play instead of Tanvir. Tanvir looked tired, underconfident and quite pathetic actually. Strangely enough the only two players who looked fresh to me were Fawad Alam and Mohammad Aamer sitting in the dugout.

  179. #179 by Q on June 1, 2009 - 8:02 PM

    I agree with Khansahab cent %!

    If they’re not going to give Fawad and Aamer practice in these matches, then when r they going to try them?

    Younis doesn’t even have to drop any seniors to get Fawad into the team.. just drop one of Salman and Ahmed and open with Akmal as Khansahab said…

    Tanvir has been jaded for a long time now.. dont know why hes still around.

  180. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 1, 2009 - 8:33 PM

    Theossa aur Humnawa,

    I gave you guys to say your part of qawwali and now I am only smiling, whistling and at the same time yawning, because its too boring, very pathetic performance by Pakistanis on a perfect batting wicket. Not a single player batted well, they all played like novices and the KING PIN YOUNUS KHAN with his poor team selection should take a dive in CHULLOO BHUR PAANI.

    Yes it is a warm match but tomorrow the newspapers, the breakfast shows will not say that, they will be talking about team strengths, their strategies and their execution. Younus will blabber, blabber with his usual brrrr brrrr brrrr and say I am happy, I am happy, we are learning we are learning and I am confident we will win the cup. Abay jaaa….. this is not how you win the cup. Look at Bangladesh at least they fought better than Pakistan and if they had to chase a total of 187 instead of 219 they would have done that. And, shame on Pakistan they scored 127 and were all out in the 20th over.

    India were over confident and they thought they have nailed NZ but, the last two overs NZ managed to score 31 runs and reached to a respectable total. Rohit Sharma when interviewed by Sanjay Manjreker at the 15th over said, OH yeah, we will win, no problem, we have big hitters in Yousuf Pathan, Irfan Pathan and Bhajji, so no problem. And he was boasting about his IPL experience on the assumption that the game is in India’s pocket. Daniel Vittori’s one over changed the game and Dhoni has no words to blab. Post match speech may BAGHLAIN JHAANK REHA THA….

    Anyways, I g2g now. Wait for June 3rd match between India and Pakistan that should be fun.

  181. #181 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 5:03 AM

    AFTER three overs when SA scored 30 plus runs in the warm up match, Wasim Akram said, “Pakistan team is looking rusty, because they have not played international cricket since a long time and they have only been playing domestic T20 matches in Lahore.” His co-commentator reminded him that recently Pakistan played against Australia in Dubai. Wasim Akram responded, yeah BUT that was a month and a half ago. Actually it was only 3 weeks ago. The Australia Pakistan T20 match was on May 07, in Dubai and on June 01, he was saying month and a half ago! Pata nahee kis duniya may rehta hai?

    Secondly, he should do something with his nasal voice. He probably has a DNS (displaced nasal sinus) and it appears that his nose is eternally blocked (Daak Budd hai) try saying Naak Bundh hai by holding your nose with your fingers and see it sounds like, Daak Budd hai. 😀 Also, with his bad English and grammatical blasphemies he sounds like a twit. The problem is we have to bear him through out this T20 WC especially in every single match in which Pakistan is playing. Pra Waqqa tussi kithay raye gayoooOOo????

  182. #182 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 8:45 AM

    LOL @ (Daak Budd Hai) …

    Sounds like the ‘post/ mail is closed’ 😉

  183. #183 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 8:58 AM

    Wasim made some noticeable errors yesterday. First he called Ahmed Shahzad, “opening bowler” instead of opening “batsman”. And then there were many grammatical errors. However his commentary is better than Waqar’s.

    Strange how Wasim Akram was speaking so highly to Malik and said that Malik will be the key for Pakistan in this tournament. But Malik appeared very negative yesterday.

  184. #184 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 12:16 PM

    Younis Khan did not appear in the post match conference yesterday which raised many eyebrows. Either he was too scared speaking to the media or he became temperamental and did not want to confront the media.

    Intikhab Alam attended the conference and made many negative comments. He said that the players are not used to the conditions and the Pakistani team only landed in the UK 2 days ago so they will take some time to find form. He also blamed the fielding.

    When asked about the openers he said he prefers regular openers which means Akmal will not open to pave way for Fawad Alam.

    He was also asked about Fawad Alam and he just said that Fawad is a good “batting all rounder”.

    So it seems the team management has a predetermined stance on Fawad Alam.

  185. #185 by Awas on June 2, 2009 - 12:53 PM


    It’s a shame that Intikhab Alam prefers regular openers. The irony is that Butt will play one good innings perhaps against India tomorrow as he usually does and then we would be lumbered with him for another time we see such innings again. Kamran Akmal as a makeshift opener is a much better option, so that Fawad Alam can play in the middle somewhere.

    However, when Intikhab said “that the players are not used to the conditions and the Pakistani team only landed in the UK 2 days ago so they will take some time to find form. He also blamed the fielding“. What is so negative about that? What else could he have said for a pathetic performance? Pakistan team is notoriously bad travellers as we have seen in past tours. So, I don’t see much negativity there.

  186. #186 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 12:53 PM

    khansahab posted some news item on Indian movie actor Amitabh Bachan who refused to go to Australia to collect the award that was being honoured to him by some Australian University. Below is some stunning news, which is compiled by Makhdoom Babar Editor-in-Chief, The Daily Mail, who prepared a report with additional reporting by Christina Palmer in New Delhi, Sandra Johnson in Washington D.C and Cherry Ferguson in London. Following are the excerpts of it and it is worth reading:

    Indian movie star Amitabh Bachan who was a personal friend of Rajiv Gandhi got the cue. His brother later reportedly siphoned part of the Rs.64 crore kick-backs of the Swedish Bofor guns deal into setting up a private satellite channel by the name of TV Asia.

    TV Asia enjoyed certain patronage from Indian government and intelligence agencies though it was financed privately. In return RAW enjoyed certain leverage on TV Asia; nonetheless its officials continued the campaign for having their own channel. The breakthrough was achieved when a high ranking RAW operative Vasant Parekh found a willing partner in the Chairman of Essel Group of Industries, Subash Chandra.

    The Essel Group was mainly involved in the business of entertainment and amusement parks. Being an adventurous entrepreneur, Chandra indicated his willingness to Vasant Parekh for investing partly in the RAW’s satellite TV venture provided it also shared a big portion investment and backup support. RAW hierarchy did not require much persuasion to dole out a hefty amount of US$ 25 million as an initial participation share in the project. The deal was struck and the ZEE Television Network was formally launched in 1992 with Subhas Chandra as the Chairman and Vasant Parekh as the founding member on its Board of Directors. It was agreed to induct and employ a certain number of RAW operatives in all cadres of the network. RAW personnel were thus recruited amongst the program producers, anchors, newscasters, and even amongst the marketing and business managers.

    The arrangement facilitates RAW to send its agents undercover to Pakistan and even other countries. Having a media tag gives these operatives an easy access to cultivate a number of personalities in the target country, which would have been otherwise difficult. The broad outline of the propaganda objectives of ZEE TV defined by RAW were:

    —Repeat the Indian rhetoric of cultural and social uniformity of South Asian sub-continent, which is a cover for Indian hegemonic designs in the region, and especially with regards to Pakistan. RAW affiliated Indian media commentators make it a point to repeat this in order to nullify Pakistan’s unique ethnic, cultural and historical attributes.

    —Malign Pakistan by a deliberate negative projection of the events and developments in the country. The aim is to systematically build a poor image of Pakistan may it be in the context of internal political developments, religious or social events, women issues, child labour, brick kiln workers, Ahmedi or Christian minorities, sectarian clashes, the MQM-ANP-BLA and other movements, foreign policy or bilateral relations with India. Although human rights violations, social, cultural, religious and economic problems exist in India at a much gigantic proportion, the Indian media and journalists abroad are tasked with downplaying these issues.

    —Projection of India as a modern secular and progressive state which is the world’s largest democracy;

    —Propagation of India’s foreign policy objectives and its position on Kashmir;

    —Promotion of Hindu mythology through serials based on mythology as well as soap operas telecast on the network;

    In pursuance of this policy ZEE lays special emphasis in cultivating prominent personalities in Pakistan for accomplishing the ideological agenda. Bigwigs in Pakistani entertainment and show biz, poets, writers, eminent sportsmen and politicians are a prime target.

    The common modus operandi is that Pakistani celebrities are invited as chief guests or special guests to various ZEE television musical shows and events. A lot of praise is showered, calling them artists whose talent is not restricted by any boundary, frontier or divide and that the people of the two countries love each other, only the politicians conspire to keep them separated. Overwhelmed by the tremendous show of hospitality the artist either ends up unwillingly endorsing the host’s views or says something that is construed to be negating the ‘Two Nation’ basis of Pakistan’s independence. According to credible information RAW also sponsors organizing of performances, shooting of videos and securing of contracts for Bollywood movies and entertainment agencies for some of these personalities belonging to the Pakistan entertainment, film and music industries. GUESS WHO?

  187. #187 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 1:04 PM

    My Dear Khansahab …

    Can we ever see any of your posts without some praises showered upon FAWAD and MUSHARRAF ?? 😉

    It’s like no one really hates these good guys, but peoples (myself included) become fed-up of reading these “making-mountain-out-of-mole-hill” comments and showing their ‘Maskeeniyat’ 😆

  188. #188 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 2:04 PM


    Eik he hogaye Khansahab, Musharaf, aor Fawad
    Na koi bunda raha na koi bunda nawaz

    It’s like you can’t help but stick to your winking and that obnoxious smile 🙂

  189. #189 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 2:35 PM

    Intikhab Alam Lacks Vision in Front of His Eyes

    To compete with an opposition a good coach will derive a strategy based of his team’s strengths and the opposition’s weaknesses. Even the dumbest Asian Coaches know that to beat Australia, England, and South Africa good spinners are vital. Warm up matches are a way to check and utilize the team’s bench strength and promote competition among the youngsters to earn a starter spot in the team. I have no idea what strategy Intikhab Alam has to compete in the T20 WC? Why Fawad Alam, M. Aamer, and Shehzaib Hasan were not given chances in the warm match against South Africa. Are they just the backups in case the seniors get injured? Any good team will not risk out of forms players in such a short format of game and in such a short tournament. Team should be composed of players that provide the best chance to win the game. What I find is a lack of vision by Intikhab Alam. In the previous T20 WC bold decisions were made to include Misbah-ul-Haq and Sohail Tanveer along with a good strategy of introducing Umar Gul at the death overs. I don’t see any creativity this time. Same old formula, keep playing the out of form players, keep the same batting order in ODI, Tests, and T20s and hope God Willing, it would work out. The way I look at it, this team is in disparate need of 2 allrounders in place of a regular out of form batsman and bowler. I agree with Khansahab; they should replace Sohail Tanveer and Iftikar Anjum with Fawad Alam and Mohd Aaamer. Mohd Aamer can hit some sixes and fours as well. Younis Khan, Misbah, and Malik should get some balls, take responsibility, and justify their place in the T20 squad or get the heck out to give way to some young blood.

  190. #190 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 2:36 PM

    Munir sahab

    Your comment is based on opinion and not on facts, and although you have a right to express it, it is no more valid or correct than my comments.

    I also express my opinion, which is that what is happening with Fawad Alam is more than what happens normally to players who get at least some meaningful chance. I am passionate about the team and want to see them perform and if they select mediocre players over talented ones, then that upsets me.

    My “persistence” or obsession or whatever, has already worked because now people like Awas and Theossa agree that there is something unusual in the treatment of Alam. Normally players are not ignored for so long when they are performing so well whenever they get a chance. If you think this is a “making a mountain of a molehill” situation then maybe you don’t care for the team doing well? Surely Younis, Malik and Misbah have been consistently underperforming and a batsman needs to replace at least one of them? Do you not agree?

    I don’t make comments about politics that often and I think you being fed up of my support for Musharraf is more to do with you not liking him in the first place. Before your comment which I refer to here, Musharraf was only mentioned once by myself on this thread. And I must have made more than 50 comments on this thread? So a ratio of 50:1 does not seem substantial to me 🙂

  191. #191 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 2:36 PM

    Theo …

    LOL @ ‘obnoxious smile’.

    Good parody Shaairy.

  192. #192 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 2:45 PM

    Khansahab …

    Yes one of your comment and 40+ articles you search and bring to our notice from various sources 😉

    I like Fawad and I definitely want Pakistan to do well, but how good is it keep playing the same tune about Fawad and injustices to him. We all know that there are so many talented Pakistani guys (Razzaq, Imran Nazir, Mohd Yousuf, etc. etc.) who can not play, so what. You never mention so much about them, then why only Fawad ?

    I agree that Yunis and Misbah are not in form, and I want them to play well or move on, but it’s not exactly in my or your hand, is it ?

    We have to live with some things, no matter how hard or unjust they seem.

  193. #193 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 2:46 PM


    Very good comment and thanks for the am-agree.

    Inti Alam needs glasses or something because the vision in front of his eyes is dodgy.

    The formula for success in T20 is ECSTATIC FLAMBOYANCE which players like Imran Nazir demonstrate. However, which Pakistani player was ecstatically flamboyant? No one!

    I think the Pakistan team tank should have 3 principal objectives:

    1) Good team spirit so that all players I am agree with each other

    2) Eyesight tests and corrective lenses so that players can field well and bat well, and that would also help the vision in front of their eyes

    3) A strategy based around ecstatic flamboyance. Stress levels must be reduced. Ecstacy should be distributed openly to players. And they should told jokes and they should jump more often so the fans can see them being flamboyant- flamboyance would then be seen in their expansive strokeplay. Or they can always get Imran Nazir in the team to further the purpose of ecstatic flamboyance.

  194. #194 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 2:52 PM

    Munir sahab

    Imran Nazir had his chance and he blew it. It was necessary to drop him, how can you compare with these players who were automatic selections and played so many matches, with someone who has only played a handful of matches?

    Razzaq must have played more than 200 ODI’s and he was kicked out because of bad performance.

    Yousuf has been playing for over a decade and he was sacked because of ICL.

    All these 3 players joined ICL and there were legal issues that prevented their selection. There is no legal issue with Fawad Alam, he is sitting there in the dugout available to be selected but there is a political issue.

    I should be more persistent with the Fawad Alam campaign, because despite saying so much someone thinks Fawad Alam’s exclusion is the same as Razzaq’s or Yousuf’s exclusion? There is a world of a difference.

  195. #195 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 3:00 PM


    LOL, they need to apply hot red chilli in the asses of Salman Butt, Younis Khan, Misbah, and Malik to get them some ecstatic flamboyance. I don’t see any other way. Btw, has any team tried introducing a spinner with the new ball in T20, how that worked out? The bowler must be good and although new ball doesn’t spin much it will still be hard to hit compared to faster one. If Fawad and Aamer are played, Mohd Aamer and Umar Gul can bowl 2 overs each and spin can be brought as early as in the 5th over. I think Saeed Ajmal is in good form and he can contain the opposition in the last overs along with Afridi and Gul. Middle 4 overs can be bowled by Fawad and Malik.

  196. #196 by Awas on June 2, 2009 - 3:08 PM


    Though I do not disagree with every word that Intikhab Alam says but you have summed up pretty well about his vision or lack of it actually.

    He should never have been a manager or coach, whatever he is, at the first place. Amongst many silly comments, he once made the silliest statement about Shoaib Akhtar’s lifestyle when he was in the committee investigating Shoaib Akhtar’s performance that had nothing to do with the remit he was given to investigate.

    If I’m not wrong, I saw Aqib Javed somewhere in the dressing room. A coach like him may be more imaginative as he was with the youth team.

    Anyway, usually after a bad series or a cup, some heads do roll. After Pakistan’s exit, likely to be at the supper 8 stage, it would be Alam who would get a chop. No prises for guessing which Alam.

  197. #197 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 3:09 PM

    Munir: I would like to answer your question in one sentence, Fawad Alam is in the squad whereas the rest are not.

    And, talking about injustice, one should not cease to talk about justice not being done simply because no one is paying any heed or, you are saying it more than once, twice or fifty times and assume that people are getting bored by repetition. When Nelson Mandela was in prison for 30 odd years, his supporters were constantly demanding for his release. I remember on Trafalgar Square, London there were some supporters of Mandela who were there permanently 24/7 for years and years displaying play cards saying, “Release Mandela.”

    Fawad Alam is not being compared with Mandela, but the point is related to your objection that why is khansahab so persistent about including Fawad Alam in the team? And why shouldn’t he be persistent in campaigning for Alam? He too has the right to remain persistent like those who are against him and they are persistent in keeping him out. Whereas, you are one isolated case who believes that he should be in the team but, you don’t want to be a part of his campaign. Munir, remember this as thought of the day:

    If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

  198. #198 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 3:15 PM


    Anil Kumble bowled the first over in the recent IPL and got a wicket in the first over, he got total 4 wickets in that match. Other than T20 many other spinners were used in 50 overs ODI. In 1992 World Cup, New Zealand Patel used to bowl the first over.

    And, in many other T20 matches spinners have bowled from the 4th over onwards and halted the run rate and took wickets. Even in the current warm up match that is being played between Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, the later used spinners from 4th over.

  199. #199 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 3:19 PM

    Hear, hear, hear! The wise man “A”was speaks 🙂 I am agree with you Awas about Intekhab Alam and you are absolutely right that he should not be coach or manager or anything to do with cricket. He should be in some old home watching Tom & Jerry cartoons on TV.

    I am wondering what will Theossa be doing after this T20 WC if Pakistan is exited early because of Younus Khan’s beautiful smiles during “Happy Hours.”. 😀

  200. #200 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 3:30 PM



    @ I am wondering what will Theossa be doing after this T20 WC if Pakistan is exited early because of Younus Khan’s beautiful smiles during “Happy Hours”

    I’ll be watching him scoring centuries in test matches 😀

    Tujhe es bazaar ka dustoor mien samjha sukta nahin
    Bik gaya jo woh khareedaar hosukta nahin

  201. #201 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 3:44 PM

    Bik gaya jo woh khareedaar hosukta nahin …Talking about Wasim Akram?

    As usual tum nay sher ki taang tori, the correct sher is:

    is bazaar ka dastur mai tujhe samja nahi sakta
    jo bik gaya wo kharidar ho nahi sakta

    Aur jab baat Sher ki hai tou ek Sher mera bhee sahee!

    bekhudi ki zindagi hum jiya nahi karte
    jaam dusron se cheen kar hum piya nahi karte
    agar unko mohabbat hai toh hum se akar izaar karte
    peecha hum bhi kissi ka kiya nahi karte

  202. #202 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 3:54 PM


    bekhudi ki zindagi hum jiya nahi karte
    jaam dusron se cheen kar hum piya nahi karte
    agar unko mohabbat hai toh hum se akar izaar karte
    peecha hum bhi kissi ka kiya nahi karte

    Munir would say in reply:

    Perbaton se aaj mien takra gaya
    Tum ne de awaaz lo mien aagya

    In case you’ve missed his yesterday’s comments, he was jhaading tharak on you 🙂

    My sher would be:

    Mohabbat mujhe un hasseenon se hai
    Summer mien jo pehente hain kum kum 😉

  203. #203 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 4:11 PM

    Theo, the song you were referring to was not a woman’s song BUT it was GABBAR SINGH’s dialogue. It was then the “hero-wine” was translating his emotions by singing the song. Anyways, I cannot change your perception because at times you are in love with Natalie and then suddenly you have more strong feelings for Younus Khan. 😀

  204. #204 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 4:14 PM

    Bangladesh lost to Sri Lanka, but went down fighting till the last ball, unlike Pakistan’s pathetic performance against SA yesterday. And, YK was so happy that he did not attend the post match press conference. 😀

  205. #205 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 4:32 PM

    Javed @ 213

    Koi Fawad ko chaahe, koi Afridi ko chaahe
    Theossa Younis ko nahin to Butt ko chaahe?

  206. #206 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 4:37 PM


    When Younis gets out trying to attack before he is set, the attackers are next in the order, and they have to defend and play time.

    Very interesting point you make here! I hope anyone related to PCB reading this should take notice of creative ideas like this and pass it on to Intikhab Alam and company.

  207. #207 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 4:47 PM


    Leken agar Butt Theossa ko nahi chaahe?
    Toh phir hum sab kahein gey, “Hai! Hai!”

  208. #208 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 4:55 PM


    Who mujhe chahe ya na caahe, us ke chaahne ka ghum nahin
    Butt ke saath her lumha, mujhe jannat se kum nahin


    Fawad to allrounder hai, allrounder moqa payega
    Musla Khansahab aor Polish Chick ka hai, yeh kidhar jaiga?

  209. #209 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 4:58 PM

    Uffoh Theossa Mehdi Hassan ban gaya! The only difference is you are not ugly like him 😀

  210. #210 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 5:02 PM

    Adil Rashid of England bowls quite aggressively and he just got a wicket, seems like a good prospect for England.


    Expert xxDul will say am I agree! 😀

  211. #211 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 5:09 PM


    Fawad ko Munir ney reject kardiya
    Kyun ke terey I am agree ney asar kerdiya!

  212. #212 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 5:17 PM

    OK guys lets discuss some serious cricket now. Talk about tomorrow’s warm up match between India and Pakistan. Who will play and how they will play? And, who will win and why?

    Pakistan must play well tomorrow otherwise the morale of the team will be very low. But, history has shown that Pakistan always play bad in the earlier games and play well in the other big games. And, exactly the opposite happens when they win the earlier matches. I am not talking about the last T20 WC in SA but, in general.

  213. #213 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 2, 2009 - 5:31 PM


    Butt kay bajai, Sidebottom chalay ga? 😀


    On second thought, Sri Lankan, KULA sekra ? 😀

  214. #214 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 5:32 PM


    My and Awas’ predictions for the cricket games are like what Khansahab and You say about Younis, never true!

    But since you asked, here is my bold prediction, Pakistan wins the match with Salman Butt playing anchor role. Younis, Akmal and Misbah put some 30 + odd each on the board. Afridi, Ajmal, and Gul restrict India. Fawad plays and score a quick fire 20 + and and……..


    Mana keh Fawad ko Munir ney reject kardiya
    Muggar Munir nai un tuk kis ko accept kia?

  215. #215 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 5:40 PM


    Meray I am agree ko tunha na chorr
    Munir hogaya Fawad aur Musharraf sey bore


  216. #216 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 5:43 PM

    Javed A Khan

    We can’t really predict about Pakistan but I feel it will be difficult overcoming the negativity and bad morale we saw in the 1st match.

    India will want to win this now because they lost their 1st match. I think they have a slight edge.

    Afridi and Gul need to fire for Pakistan. I think tomorrow we will see better performances from Malik and Misbah. I don’t think Fawad will be played.

  217. #217 by Theossa on June 2, 2009 - 5:58 PM

    Khansahab @ 225

    Meray I am agree ko tunha na chorr
    Munir hogaya Fawad aur Musharraf sey bore
    Kabhi tha Munir bhe intellectual individual
    Hai us ke bhe vision in front of eyes hai no more

  218. #218 by Awas on June 2, 2009 - 6:41 PM

    Did you see how NZ recovered from 21-5 to finish at 147, a competitive score at the end?

    Why can’t Pakistan be expected to do something like that instead of keep falling like 9-pins?

  219. #219 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 7:08 PM

    Bund Ki Jaye Yeh Beytuki Shaayri 🙄

  220. #220 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 7:18 PM

    LOL @

    “Meray I am agree ko tunha na chorr
    Munir hogaya Fawad aur Musharraf sey bore

    Khansahab Bhee Karney Laga Shaayri, Dekho Allah Ki Shaan
    Tootti Hai Fawad Aur Musharraf Par Uss Ki Har Ik Taan

    Waisey Tu Khansahab Hai Bohat Achha Bacha, Laikin
    Jaata Hai Woh Tharak Kamaaney Key Liye ‘Polish’ Ki Dukaan 😉

  221. #221 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 7:25 PM

    Kidhar Bhaage Yeh Geedhar Saray Kay Saray?
    Jab “Shaer” Saamney Asya In Sab Kay Chubaray.
    Hai Koi Jo Saamna Kar Sakay Iss Marad Ka Aaj?
    Yaa So Gayae Hain Sub Bhaang Kay Saharay?

  222. #222 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 7:30 PM

    Kidhar Chhup Gaya Hai Yeh Administrator?
    Dekho Aagaya Maidaan Mein Ab Terminator

    Chhakay Pey Chhaka Dey Ga Aagay Sey Afridi
    Jab Bhee Uss Ko Bowling Karaiga ‘Turbunator’

    PS: Harbajan Singh is called ‘Turbunator’ becuase of his Turban 😉

  223. #223 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 7:35 PM


  224. #224 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 7:36 PM


  225. #225 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 7:40 PM

    Let me try again …


  226. #226 by Awas on June 2, 2009 - 7:41 PM


    Good stuff!

    I guess they have all gone to sleep. Why are you up so late? Bhabi nay kooch keh dia?

  227. #227 by Mohammed Munir on June 2, 2009 - 7:45 PM

    It’s only 11.42 pm here in Dubai, and I guess in USA and Canada, it must be day.

    So I guess they are ‘Day Dreaming’ 😉

    Aur Rahi Baat Bhabi Ki, Woh Tu Beychari Bohat Achhi Hai, Kuchh Nahin Kehti 🙂

  228. #228 by Awas on June 2, 2009 - 7:51 PM


    You are so lucky. I’m envious.

  229. #229 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 8:31 PM

    PML Nawaz demand murder case against Musharraf.

    A Khansahab special especially for Munir sahab 🙂

  230. #230 by khansahab on June 2, 2009 - 8:42 PM

    Munir sahab productions presents…..


    Akmal likely to open+ inclusion of Fawad

    London, June 02: Pakistan`s dismal batting against South Africa in Monday`s warm-up match has shaken the team management, which is likely to try out wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal as the makeshift opener in the ICC World Twenty20.

    Pakistan`s batting, which looked brittle in the recent one-day series against Australia too, flopped against the South Africans while the bowlers also failed to impress in the match they lost by 59 runs.

    “It is just the start and the players just reached England on Sunday, so they are acclimatising to the conditions. There is no panic but definitely now the option of playing Akmal as an opener and bringing in Fawad Alam in the late order is under consideration,” sources in the team told reporters.

    Incidentally, before leaving for England, captain Younis Khan had said that Akmal was good enough to bat at any position, including the opener`s slot.

    “He is a sort of batsman who can take away the game from anyone with his batting alone,” Younis said.

    Akmal blasted a hundred in the final one-dayer against Australia on May 4 and a half century in the Twenty20 International against the Aussies in Abu Dhabi and Dubai to improve his batting credentials. He batted at number three against the South Africans.

    “The management is clear that it would have to do some heavy depending on the spinners specially Shahid Afridi and Saeed Ajmal and they want backup support from Shoaib Malik and Fawad Alam, who is a left arm spinner, as well,” one source said.

    “The positive thing about playing Fawad at number six or seven is that it adds depth to the batting as he is a reliable and sticky player in any form of the game and he also adds more options to the bowling,” the source said.

    He also said that pressure was mounting on Younis Khan to get going with the bat as he would have to score runs for the team to do well in the World Cup and reach the final as they did in 2007.

  231. #231 by Q on June 2, 2009 - 8:44 PM

    Zabardast! This is awesome news. I hope they actually implement it.

    And I hope they drop Butt, Not Shehzad.

  232. #232 by Awas on June 2, 2009 - 8:54 PM

    They must have read comment 194 🙂

  233. #233 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 3:40 AM

    Aur Rahi Baat Bhabi Ki, Woh Tu Beychari Bohat Achhi Hai, Kuchh Nahin KehtiMunir

    Vo kuch nahee kehti ya usko pata nahee kay tum raat gaye kya kertay ho? 😀 jhoota!

  234. #234 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 3:47 AM

    I don’t think they must have read our comments but, I am sure we are not the only one who are talking about the opening conundrum and inclusion of Fawad Alam. The whole world, I mean the nation, experts and fans like us are raving and ranting since a long time. And, of course I want BUTT to exit and let Ahmad Shahzad play, but Shahzad should not get too defensive, otherwise there is no point. In T20 a strike rate of 100 is not acceptable, it must at least be 150.

    Pakistan should realize that all the teams are having problems playing the spinners so they must make use of all 4 spinners i.e., apart from Afridi and Ajmal, they should use Malik and Alam. Tanvir is totally out of form and he keeps bowling line no-balls, which makes him more nervous and cautious and he completely looses his line and length and get hammered all along the park. Batting wise also he is not effective, so they must give Arafat a chance if they want to play 3 seamers. If Fawad Alam is in then who is out? Has to be one of the fast bowlers. So, no need for Arafat then.

    Finally, Younus Khan has to score big otherwise he would be in tremendous pressure and its not good for a captain to be under pressure. Then he won’t be able to focus on other issues such as field placement, bowling changes as and when required according to the situation, change in batting order as and when required. There must be a plan, and then there must be a backup plan to remain fluid and flexible.

    Tomorrow is a big game, although it is a warm up game but with India it is always a battle of nerves. Whoever wins would have more psychological advantage over the other for the next games.

  235. #235 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 8:31 AM

    Theossa …

    LOL @ your reasons for V-Talk’s sluggish pace of comments.

    Actually, V-Talk is slow because Amir Iqbal (aka Abdul) and DRC are busy with their exams, while Omer may be busy ‘helping’ someone with their exams 😉

    Omer …

    Regarding the ‘emotions’, well I was just trying to remind myself of how many icon I knew 😉

    Anyway, do you know some more then the ones I have put there ?

    On the ‘Polish’ girl, I knew you would like that 😛

    Javed Khan …

    Seems like you keep yourself quite busy over there in Canada, and reading your details I wish to visit Canada for once. I can imagine your swimming pool with all those lovely flower and you surely seem to have good gardening skills. So then, do you also grow your own vegetables which you cook so well ? 😉

    LOL @ your comment no. 244 (Jo Bhee Sumjho) 😉

    Khansahab …

    I liked your Indian Gaanou Sey Churaai Hoi Shaayri 😉

    I know you won’t believe this, but trust you me, that I will be very happy if Fawad played continuously throughout this entire T20 tournament and I will be even more happy if he performed consistently. I know he is good and definitely a utility player, which we do not have many in our current team.

    In my opinion, the biggest disadvantage Pakistan has going into this T20 event, is not having many good utility players. Look at India for instance; they have many batting bowlers, and similarly bowling batsmen, while almost all are good fielders. Same is the situation with most of the other teams, but when it comes to Pakistan, we have Salman, Shahzad, Younis, Misbah who can not even field well, let alone the bowling option. Likewise, our bowlers like Tanveer (who is out of touch), Ajmal, Rao Iftikhar, even Yassir and etc. are not much good for batting.

    Whereas we have only a few players like Afridi, Malilk, Akmal, Gul who can qualify as utility players and therefore, it will be great to have Fawad in our team who can bat, bowl, and field very well also.

    On Musharraf, well, I guess the news is not good. You will be surprised to know that not only PML(N) is asking for his head, but an FIR (First Information Report) is already opened in Quetta blaming Musharraf directly for the murder of Bhugti. Now you may come back strongly and give me a thousand reasons to justify and clearing Musharraf, but the fact of the matter remains that Musharraf can be tried in Pakistani court of law.

    If Bhutto can be charged and hanged supported by an FIR, and what stops that from happening to Musharraf ?

    Further, unconfirmed news is that Musharraf is staying in Pakistan only till Zardari is in power because Zardari have assured him a full protection and protocol of an active duty COAS, which he in enjoying till today. This, supposedly, is all part of an ‘underground’ deal administered by Pakistan’s masters in USA and Zardari is obliged to fulfill it. You already know that he have purchased a property in UK, and this shows that he is keeping his ‘lifeboat’ ready for any unforeseen scenarios in Pakistan.

  236. #236 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 8:33 AM

    Wasim questions Butt’s selection in twenty20 squad

    Published: June 03, 2009
    LAHORE – Former Pakistan captain Wasim Akram has expressed surpise over the selection of opener Salman Butt for the World T20.
    The former Pakistan great said that Butt is not suitable player for this form of the game. He was commenting on Pakistan and South Africa warm-up match ahead of the ICC T20 World Championship to be played in England.
    The former captain said that Butt was the batsman to play the most dot balls during the last World Cup and even during the National T20 Cup he performance was not impressive but he was still selected in the team for the World Cup.
    “Its surprising to see Salman in the team after looking at his performance,” said Wasim.
    He further said that the lazy approach of Salman would be devastating for the team in the World T20.
    On Pakistan teams defeat against South Africa, he said that the team was lacking in its approach and was lethargic while after defeat they was looking dejected when it was a practice match.
    Wasim said that the players should learn from the mistakes of this match and captain Younis Khan should make the players realize their job individually.
    Wasim further stated that the Pakistan batsmen did not show courage against the South African bowlers.
    “If they want to win the World Cup they need to show courage and determination because they are representing a country and the entire nation is watching them desperately in television.

  237. #237 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 8:40 AM

    Munir sahab

    Why should I disagree with any comment of yours when you are making factual statements and not biased opinions? (meaning, those that seem biased to me).

    I am aware Musharraf is blamed for Bugti’s killing and I also know he has purchased a flat in London. In fact two or three weeks ago I e-mailed Javed A Khan and Awas and told them that he is probably seeking asylum in the UK because Choudhary is after him and Nawaz Sharif, the most popular politician in Pakistan is after him.

    I wonder why the Army will not protect him if he is due to be tried in a court. The Army has always told civilian leaders that their chief will not be humiliated. But I guess that is what the public of Punjab wants, and as 1st class citizens of Pakistan, what they want, will happen.

  238. #238 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 9:13 AM

    This time surly Wasim Akram has said the right things???

    “….and as 1st class citizens of Pakistan, what they want, will happen” khansahab, thank for the nice hounour, yeah we are the best 🙂
    But nothing will happen to Mush he is safe here.

  239. #239 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 9:31 AM


    I meant thaite Punjabis, not Muhajirs who like to disguise themselves as Punjabis like you! 🙂

    (Disguising themselves to avoid persecution and genocide) 🙂

  240. #240 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 9:40 AM

    Just an observation…

    Pakistan team management went with the exact same XI players that I said they would in the main thread….(in the first match).

  241. #241 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 10:02 AM

    LOL @ Awas’s reassurance for Mush 😀

    So finally the great Khansahab have stated, “Nawaz Sharif, the most popular politician in Pakistan”.

    It’s strange though, I think currently Nawaz is the most ineffective and powerless personal in Pakistan political circus 😉

  242. #242 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 11:42 AM

    Munir: Prior to this statement, I remember khansahab saying a few more times about Mian Shahab that he is the most PPinP. That is because of his jingoistic attitude and he commands 100% support from 60% of the population of Pakistan, the equation is very simple.

    Btw, you are mistaken, NS is not ineffective or powerless at all, in fact its the other way round. The only problem is, at the moment he is not at the center and when he will be there, you will see his Meesna pun again. Otherwise, both Badmash Brothers have a lot of clout in Punjab and they do a lot of backseat mothering in politics by controlling the police and the judiciary. The biggest Chaudhary Madari is sold out to them and whenever they say, ‘good boy; shaaabaash roll-over’ and he does that.

    About your imagination of the pool and flowers.
    It reminds me of what Karzai said when he went to point zero in NY after 911. He said, “I still see the two towers standing there and my eyes get filled with tears….” Bhai jaan – I wrote, “I got rid of the pool last year i.e., due to heavy maintenance and less utilization owing to the weather conditions here.” So, from where the hellO, can you imagine the pool? And, yeah if you visit this part of the world make sure it is in JULY otherwise, we have winter for you guys here. One of my friends from Dubai came here in August and it was a warm day and we had BBQ lunch in our backyard and he asked me if I can get him a sweater or a jacket ‘coz its cool. It was 26C ++++ and he said yaar mujhay sardee lag rehi hai.

  243. #243 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 11:47 AM

    Like I wrote yesterday that not only us, but experts, critics and Pak cricket fans ALL are criticizing team selection and thats the reason they are thinking of dropping Salman Butt. Now, Wasim Akram has said and so also a few others, here is an excerpt from Osman Samiuddin’s latest article on cricinfo.


    Around Pakistan’s batting swarm an uncomfortably high number of question marks. Is Salman Butt really a Twenty20 opener (a strike rate of 94 and one fifty in 13 internationals), given his inability to at least rotate the strike when not finding the boundary? Is Younis Khan cut out for this format – he himself seems unsure about it, hinting recently it may be his last Twenty20 assignment – and if so, what position is best? What is Shahid Afridi’s best position, and Kamran Akmal’s? “

    See these are the same questions we have been asking since a LONG, LONG TIME ON THIS BLOG.

  244. #244 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 12:05 PM

    Munir sahab

    Nawaz Sharif is in total control and in fact the only reason why he may not appear to be as influential is because he does not have much support outside Punjab.

    He knows that this is a crucial time and at the moment he is not interested in power. That is because the public is behind him and this time is a nightmare for any government because they are following American policies in North West Pakistan. Also, inflation and electricity crisis is at its worse.

    He is an opportunist and he is waiting for things to get slightly more stable. He has already got his man in the judiciary who will sweep aside any legal hurdles for Nawaz.

  245. #245 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 12:11 PM


    U have used the right word for Nawaz Sharif that he is an opportunists and waiting for the right moment and you have rightly pinpointed or highlighted the fact that BritAm are poking their nose too much in Pak Politics, in other words they are controlling the government hence NS doesn’t want to be at the center.

  246. #246 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 12:14 PM

    Seems like Munir is packing his suitcase, since the cat is away he wants to be outdoors to play with kittens 😉 aren’t you delighted to read this Munir? Well, you should look like a Turkish Delight!!! 😀


    I am going to watch the two matches live on TV, hence I won’t be commenting too much on the blog, may be in between but not while the game is on. 🙂

  247. #247 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 12:37 PM

    Intikhab Alam is so useless and his statements are even more pathetic. He said the Pakistani team is better prepared this time round (to win against India). However he seems to have forgotten the disaster of 2 days ago when Pakistan performed miserably against SA.

    Younis Khan is taking things too lightly. It is good to be a relaxed person and not to get too emotional or animated, but being too relaxed is also not good.

  248. #248 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 12:49 PM

    In politics they all are “opportunists and waiting for the right moment”. Zardari got his moment alright; Mian Saab is waiting for his.

    The problem is there are no real viable alternatives, so the status quo continues. When will people rid themselves of Zardaris and Sharifs? It doesn’t look like any time soon.

  249. #249 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 12:55 PM


    Osman Samiuddin has also mentioned about the new Wasim Akram type fast bowler Mohammad Aamer and Shahzaib Hassan as the explosive opener, but I don’t remember reading anything in support of Fawad Alam”.

    Well, he doesn’t read LS then. I thought he was a good journalist!!!

  250. #250 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 12:57 PM

    EU: Muslims suffer discrimination

    Discrimination against Muslims in Europe is far more widespread than reported, with one in three affected, a European Union human rights agency has said.

    In a survey of Muslims in 14 EU member states, the Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) said a third of those questioned had been victims of discrimination in the past year, and 11 per cent had experienced a racially motivated crime.
    It also found that most incidents are not reported to the police, because the majority of Muslims believe nothing would be done about it.

    The agency is calling on European governments to increase awareness among Muslim populations on their rights and how to report crimes.

    The organisation found the highest level of discrimination occured in the workplace, which the agency said was “worrying”.

    Morten Kjaerum, director of FRA, said: “Employment is a key part of the integration process. It is central to the contributions that migrants make to society, and to making such contributions visible.

    “Discrimination may hamper the integration process.”

    ‘Access to justice’

    The agency also found that Muslims aged 16 to 24 experienced more discrimination than other age groups, but that there were little differences in rates between men and women.

    It said most believed discrimation occured on the grounds of ethnicity, and that discrimination on grounds of religion or belief was “very or fairly widespread”.

    The report, part of the first ever EU-wide survey on the experiences of immigrants and ethnic minorities, said discrimination against Muslims was similar to other minority groups in Europe.

    Also in line with other minority groups, 79 per cent of Muslims responding to the survey said they do not report discriminatory incidents and cases of racist crime to any authority.
    Kjaerum said more resources need to be allocated by governments for strengthening mechanisms to allow people to report racist incidents.

    He said: “Public authorities have a responsibility to support the integration process. This includes making people more aware of their rights.

    “All victims of racism must have access to justice – not only in theory, but also in practice.”

  251. #251 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 1:06 PM


    That comment made regarding Osman Samiuddin was made by Javed A Khan. Maybe you thought I made it 🙂

  252. #252 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 1:09 PM

    Now SL are 36/5…worse than Pakistan?

  253. #253 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 1:11 PM

    I had meant to write “Javed”…Ooops!

  254. #254 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 3:19 PM

    Javed Khan …

    That Turkey trip was our little secret, but you have disclosed it to all, just like Khansahab did with Awas 😦

    You and Khansahab … are you too really not one 😉

    Anyway, I will surely try that caviar, I know it is a special and expensive thing, but I somehow don’t like the taste that much.

    I am impressed with your ‘Maali-Baazi’ (Is there anything you can’t do?) 😉

    I too have a few flowers and some vegetables, but it is not easy keeping them in UAE and they are not for eating rather only for decoration and like a Chhoti-Moti habit.

  255. #255 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 3:45 PM

    Sri Lanka scored only 108 but, they made South Africa workout to win. Imagine if SL had scored 140-150 and Murali was also playing and they hadn’t dropped 3 simple catches? I am sure in the more serious matches they will be a tough nut to crack.

    Similarly we are forgetting the underdogs like West Indies and that team with Gayle and Bravo can change the game and win against any team. In 2004 they won the Champions Trophy in England when no one thought they would. So, let us not be fixed only on Australia, South Africa, India and Pakistan.

    Pakistan for sure is not the same side as they were in 2007 in SA without Imran Nazir and Asif. Also, Misbah and Tanvir are totally out of form these days. Too much hopes are pinned on Afridi once again and that is not right. Focus on the stealth player too, he is hiding behind others 😉

    Munir – what secret? I never said anything and no one understood so why are you exposing your eggs like a Sardarji? 😀 And, hell no we are not one person, khansahab is khansahab and moi et moi.

  256. #256 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 3:52 PM

    When will people rid themselves of Zardaris and Sharifs? It doesn’t look like any time soon. Awas

    They will not change, the rich are not interested, bakaoz they are the one who are benefiting most, the middle class or the educated class (which is very nominal in Pakistan) are too scared and, the poor are in majority and they are ignorant and exploited.

    In order to bring about a change, i.e., to motivate, inspire and bring a revolution you need a true, honest, sincere leader and you don’t see any. By the way Imran Khan does not have all those qualities so, I don’t see him bringing any change, if he had its almost 17 years since he is in politics he should have brought a change by now. So, “I am agree” with Awas.

  257. #257 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 3:59 PM

    Munir: Aur bhee bahot see baaziyan hoti hain jin may Patang Baazi bhee ek cheez hai laikin “Maali Baazi” koi cheez nahee hoti, balkay “Maali Geeri” hoti hai. 😀 You know I am into a lot of DIY stuff and I have a lot of tools in my garage so, I keep myself busy at home. You not only save money because of expensive labour here, you enjoy doing it, you feel a sense of accomplishment and you stay fit.

    India Pakistan match is about to start I can hear, “Jeetay ga Bhai Jeetay ga” naaray. This Naara was created in Sharjah by the Pakistani people and it rhymes more when they say, Jeetay ga bhai jeetay ga Paaakistaan jeetay ga, rather than India jeetay ga. Slowly they realized that it doesn’t rhyme so they say Hindustaan jeetay ga. Normally they never use the word Hindustan in day to day language.

    The pitch report is about to be aired……. so ttyl guys.

  258. #258 by NewGuy30 on June 3, 2009 - 4:28 PM

    Hi Folks,

    Regular reader of your blog here, seldom post.

    Pakistan won the toss and elected to bat, good choice I think no matter what the pitch says. In T20 I don’t think it really matters as it is all about nerves and if it comes down to the wire it all depends on who can pull off a few lucky shots.

    I think both teams are on equal footing here, Indians are a bit overconfident, this is when they perform the poorest, last time around no one gave them a chance and they pulled off a few lucky wins, of course they did play well as a unit in the key games, but luck is very much needed in this format.

    It’s always thrilling to watch an indo-pak match, no matter if it is a warm up or a final.

    Of course I’d like India to win, being an Indian supporter. But let the team who perform the best win today.

    Javed, about that chanting you referred, you are right it rhymes well with Pakistan, and it was created in Sharjah by Pakistanis, I’ve hated it every time I’ve heard it, because that meant Indians were losing another game in Sharjah. I never liked the version with Hindustan in it, it almost makes me squirm, because you never refer to India that way, most Indians and people of Indian origin like me have the strong belief in the plurality of Indian society, the word Hindustan implies it has to do something with Hindu religion, although my own thought is that it originated from the ancient Indus valley – the place that is now in Pakistan. Anyhow, personally I dislike the usage.

    Back to cricket, almost time now…

  259. #259 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 4:32 PM

    No Fawad Alam….

    Newguy, welcome to LS. Best of luck to India 🙂

  260. #260 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 4:35 PM

    Younis Khan should resign with immediate effect.

  261. #261 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 4:36 PM

    Hahaha Shahzaib out, Younis Khan picked him up and I think this is a slap on Younis’s face.

  262. #262 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 4:46 PM

    The ball is not swinging so Kumar’s bowling is getting flayed.

  263. #263 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 4:50 PM

    Good batting by Akmal and Shahzad. Shahzad has impressed me particularly.

  264. #264 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 4:53 PM

    Khansahab …

    Will you say something about Ahmed Shehzad and Kamran’s batting ?

    Sorry, I am not getting the match and so I can’t comment much 😦

  265. #265 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 4:54 PM

    Munir sahab

    Way ahead of you 🙂

  266. #266 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 4:59 PM

    Pakistan have come to their actual game now 😉

    They are 4 down 😦

  267. #267 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 4:59 PM

    This is criminal. Wickets fall like mad and Fawad is still not played.

    I can’t believe why people are still sleeping and don’t wake up to protest against this.

  268. #268 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 5:01 PM

    Wow two great shots by Malik.

  269. #269 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 5:02 PM

    Javed Khan …

    I will be looking forward to your post-match report with interest, as I am not watching in live.

    BTW, it’s Maali-Geri or Maali-Baazi, …. all I have to say it that:

    Baat Samajh Mein Aagai Naan ? Tu Phir ? 😉

  270. #270 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    For once I ‘phully’, totally and unconditionally am agree with Khansahab, no matter who sits out, Fawad should play.

    Out batting is letting us down throughout 😦

  271. #271 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 5:06 PM

    Game is swinging like anything…way to go!

  272. #272 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    Younis Khan is happy with the falls of quick wickets, because he is not justified with his test-cricket-style-batting.

    He is 2 run in 7 balls, and no one can blame him, as this is what is now required with 4 down 😀

  273. #273 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 5:09 PM

    Awas …

    Yes rather then the ‘ball’ swining, it is the ‘game’ swinging in UK conditions 😉

  274. #274 by Pawan on June 3, 2009 - 5:21 PM

    Pakistan has a great run-rate, which is what matters in 20-20!!!

  275. #275 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 5:32 PM

    There was no need to bring in a rookie, whether Sehwag like or not, in a game like that. They should have brought Fawad instead. And why is Yasir included? That Wasim like bowler would have been a better choice.

  276. #276 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 5:40 PM

    Younis has been outsmarted by Harbhajan. Strike rate of 100, nothing great about this knock.

  277. #277 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 5:42 PM

    Oh, Mohd Amir is in…this might be a good move.

    Poor batting by Pakistan…not enough score. The only good thing is that its getting dark and that might work in Pakistan’s way.

  278. #278 by Pawan on June 3, 2009 - 5:45 PM

    I think Shoaib Malik sums up the situation well:

    “We started brillinatly, but lost three wickets in five balls and from then on we struggled a bit,” says Shoaib Malik on the side lines.

  279. #279 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 5:48 PM


    Look how to played an unnecessary shot firstly.

    And a strike rate of 100 is never good in T20. What purpose is his defensive technique serving? Misbah was at the other end who was playing defensively too. Someone has to keep hitting the odd boundary.

    If he had made those 32 runs from 23 balls or something I would have said it is a good knock in the circumstances. There were no batsmen left and that kind of batting would have made them score something like 130-140, had he not been out.

  280. #280 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 5:55 PM

    Actually it’s good Younis got out because it brought Yasir to the crease who is a good hitter.

  281. #281 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 6:02 PM

    I agree with Omer, you do need hitters as well as stable batsmen. If an Afridi like batsman had come in place of Younus then he might too have got out first ball. It’s a funny game. So, in the context of the game Younus’ type knock might be the one that matters.

    Its not a good total after all but the one wich sets the game up at least.

    Darkness might come handy though for Pakistan

  282. #282 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 6:05 PM


    In T20 Malik is a better player than Younis. There is no doubt about that. Look at all the top T20 batsman and tell me how many batsman you can find who are like Younis.

    Misbah is different because although he can get defensive, he hits the ball very cleanly. The problem is that you don’t study domestic cricket and you don’t know how a particular batsman has been conditioned to play all his life. Younis was never a T20 player in domestic cricket and there are already rumours he will resign before the next T20 WC because he is not a T20 player. Conversely Malik has been a top T20 player.

    This argument that international cricket is different to domestic etc, it’s valid to a degree but it is domestic cricket that teaches you basic skills and it is on the basis of domestic performances, that you get selected to play international cricket. So one way or the other domestic cricket becomes relevant and if you don’t follow it or don’t like it for whatever reason, you are not following the big picture.

    When Younis tries to “accelerate” you see him playing these unorthodox counter productive shots. I am not against consolidators, Fawad Alam can also consolidate but at a higher strike rate.

  283. #283 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 6:07 PM

    hardly a face-saving totaly, against this strong Indian batting.

    Our bowlers have to really bowl their heart out to make it a match.

  284. #284 by Varun Suri on June 3, 2009 - 6:12 PM

    I think Pakistan is in with a good chance if they can get the openers early. Also 140-160 seems to be the standard score every time India plays Pakistan….

    All the links i knew are not working if anyone knows any working online link Please let me know….

  285. #285 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 6:21 PM


    Defendable? Not really, it all depends if they bowl exceptionally well and field well too.

    1. Shahzaib was greeted with two mild bouncers and he felt intimidated and threw away wicket.
    2. With Akmal’s arrival there was a moment of madness, followed by fours and then, there was another moment of mandness and inexperience.
    3. Ahmad Shahzad played 4 or 5 very good shots after being dropped by Harbhajan, but his inexperience triggered the collapse. How?
    4. When Ishant Sharma bowled 2 dot balls, on the third he wanted to rotate the strike and give Kamran Akmal a chance but, there was no run there, first he called him and then backed off. Had Akmal stayed there things would have been different.
    5. Then he played two more dot balls and wanted to hit a six of the last and ended up skying the ball.
    6. Sending Afridi at that juncture was a very stupid idea, YK or Malik should have come to bat at that time.
    7. Younus and Misbah tried to rebuild the innings but, that was too late and 158 is not enough total to defend against India. The pitch is good for 200 plus.

    Let us see how they bowl?

    Wasim Akram and his nasal anecdotes:

    This Meather is a bit cold for our players. Only his W got upside down 😀
    A lot is happing here…………. One of the “N’s” got lost in his long nose. 😀

    I remember when W & W were playing South Africa and Wasim came in to bat, one of the spectators quickly scribbled Wasim’s caricature on a play card and wrote, “With such a long nose, Wasim doesn’t need a bat.” 😀

    khansahab, hint, hint @ lambi naak, Awas don’t comment on this it will be like pouring salt on wounds. 😀

  286. #286 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 6:27 PM

    Umar Gul should not bowl the first over. They are using him because Tanvir is not in form. I think YK should have asked the young lad to open the bowling Aamer. Arafat skids the ball well, so lets see. But, Gambhir has already hit 2 fours of Umar Gul and they are going well. I am anxious to see Mohammad Aamer, I never saw him bowling.

  287. #287 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 6:34 PM

    Gambhir could have been run out, poor throw. Anyways, Arafat has so far bowled his first over sensibly and now lets see if YK persist with Umar Gul or change? No he has not changed Umar and Gambhir has played the same shot again and another four. I don’t understand why Younus can’t see this and change him now?

  288. #288 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 6:34 PM

    I don’t understand why Younus Khan cannot see this and change Umar Gul now? He is expensive when he opens the bowling, but he is very good in the death overs. Why is he not using Mohammad Aamir?

  289. #289 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 6:38 PM


    Rest assured, khansahab need not worry. I will tell not comment on that lambi naak wala secret. 😀

  290. #290 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 6:41 PM


    Let’s agree to disagree but you’re the only one in the whole wide world who considers Malik a “consistent failure”. I think there is more merit in supporting Hafeez and Hasan Raza rather than terming Shoaib Malik a “consistent failure”, who is the former captain of the team.

    Unless you think he was promoted all this time and made captain because of regionalism?

    You like to mention Hafeez and Hasan Raza, both of them had a lot of potential. I explained to Munir sahab in detail how Misbah got more chances than Hasan. Hasan is a very talented player and should have been persisted with more. Saeed Anwar was also tried very young and he failed largely but he was persisted with, and look what he became. If Hasan was from Punjab I can guarantee you he would be playing for Pakistan today.

    I find it bizarre you support Razzaq whereas you don’t support Hafeez. Both of them went past their prime and both were dropped on bad performance. There was a time when Hafeez was giving Pakistan good starts and he was also bowling well and he has always been a good fielder unlike Razzaq who is pathetic in the field. He could bat better than Afridi and bowl better than Malik. I suppoted Hafeez then, I don’t support him now.

    Younis has also been playing T20 cricket for Pakistan for the past 3 years but he seems to have learned nothing. He has only managed 1 50 in 14 innings and he averages less than 19. I don’t remember any exceptional innings from him, although Malik and Misbah have played some good innings in T20. The last WC was played on the bouncy and fast pitches of South Africa and Malik played against some good bowling and he was the 3rd highest scorer.

  291. #291 by NewGuy30 on June 3, 2009 - 6:59 PM

    I think Indians are playing the new bowler Mohammad Aamir safely, since they haven’t seen him before, looks like he is trying too hard and not getting his rhythm going.

    It’s too early to say anything since in T20 a few quick wickets can get the run rate climbing and all of a sudden you find yourself running out of overs. Just like Royal Challengers found out in the IPL final.

    But India has plenty of batting to come, so if they bat sensibly this match they should win. As for Pakistan, they need few quick wickets followed by some very disciplined bowling to get this over to their side.

  292. #292 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 7:07 PM

    88/0 in ten overs seems like India will win this match by 10 wickets. Pakistani bowling is pretty mediocre and both Indian openers are batting superbly. There is no match at the moment.

  293. #293 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 7:07 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Thanks for your comment no. 301, it summed up the entire first innings for moi.

    Pakistan seems to be heading toward another humiliating defeat.

    Khansahab …

    You are in UK, so please take some time out and go and meet Younis Khan in person and tell him to play Fawad.

  294. #294 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:10 PM

    Munir sahab

    I am 200 + miles away from Younis Khan but Awas is only 2-3 miles away from him 🙂

  295. #295 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 7:11 PM

    Younus Khan was out playing a predetermined reverse sweep shot, he showed Harbhajan his intentions very early and he bowled a little more wider and Dhoni did the rest. Whereas, just now Rohit Sharma played a reverse sweep of Ajmal and played it so late and so delicately and nicely. Younus should learn from him. Like I said, right now there is no match. Indian openers have dominated and to me the match is over is 105 for no loss and plenty of overs left.

  296. #296 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 7:13 PM

    I guess someone should tell him to explain why they (Captain, Manager, Coach, Management) are all teaming-up against the poor lad.

    This is totally wrong.

  297. #297 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:14 PM

    I don’t know whether it is luck or skill, but whenever Indian players are playing lofted shots the ball is landing in the middle of nowhere.

    I agree with Javed A Khan, a superb batting display and Pakistan have been outplayed. The batting is just too good, almost every one of these guys is a T20 specialist.

    (Although Omer does not believe in T20 specialists :)]

  298. #298 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 7:14 PM

    Does Pakistan have another warm-up match ?

    Or is it that they are ‘heated’ enough in these two defeats ? 😉

  299. #299 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:20 PM

    The reason they are batting at that strike rate is because the target is well in sight and they are chasing. In the previous WC when Misbah was chasing usually for the first 20 balls his strike rate was 50 and that was OK.

    It is different when you are chasing and when you are setting a target. If they were batting first you really think they would be playing like this?

  300. #300 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 7:23 PM

    Leme say in advance…a much better team won at the end. Congratulations India!

    A wonderful knock by Rohit Sharma

  301. #301 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 7:26 PM

    I thoughts like the last match there would be no lights but they turned the lights on this time. I wish they hadn’t 🙂

  302. #302 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:26 PM

    Gambhir is a kind of player who can play at a strike rate of 200 regardless of the situation. It is not all about hit and miss, you can nudge the ball around the gaps and get singles and doubles. But if you are a Test player only and need 20 balls to settle down, you can’t play like that.

    Excuse me but this is not Test cricket.

  303. #303 by NewGuy30 on June 3, 2009 - 7:29 PM

    Well .. I think the bowlers let Pakistan down, granted the pitch looks very good for batting and the total was not sufficient, but still the bowlers gave away too many extras. The fielding wasn’t sharp enough either, they missed two run outs at least. I’d have preferred to see a fighting contest, but having said that Indians could get overconfident from this experience and that would be their undoing in the coming matches.

  304. #304 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 7:31 PM


    Musharraf is only one mile away from me. What shall I tell him?

  305. #305 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:33 PM


    Surely if you can take a double on every ball you can get a strike rate of 200? You are studying to be an Actuary right? This is primary school stuff man 🙂

    Recently Fawad Alam in a domestic game had a strike rate of 200 without hitting a boundary. In any event I didn’t mean literally 200, it was a manner of speech- I meant a high strike rate which could ALSO be 200. I thought a guy who likes to think he doesn’t believe in numbers and statistics would understand that 😉

  306. #306 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:36 PM


    Tell him Omer loves him 🙂

  307. #307 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 7:37 PM

    LOL LMAO @ Awas ……

    Tell Mush to go back to Pakistan and patch-up with Justice Chaudry 😉

  308. #308 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 7:39 PM

    I am sorry India lost the one and only wicket, actually it should have been a 10 wicket win to teach Pakistan a fitting lesson.

    It will be real fun lisening to Younis’s post-match interview today 😆

  309. #309 by Mohammed Munir on June 3, 2009 - 7:40 PM

    Yeah right and Munir also loves him 😀

    So Awas, how far is Altaf the Boss from you ? 😉

  310. #310 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:42 PM

    LOL in the end Pakistani players borrowed Dhoni and Gambhir’s bats and seemed to study them.

    It is not the bats, guys, it’s the mindset, professionalism and keeping unity and country before everything else.

  311. #311 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    I felt Afridi getting out first ball affected him. The ones who could watch the match (like Javed) may agree. In the dugout, he looked very off colour and stressed sitting next to Omer Gul. This must have affected his bowling too.

  312. #312 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    Pakistan team has proved me wrong. I said India will win by 10 wickets but, they won by 9, I am ashamed for wrong prediction. Mohammad Aamir the only wicket taker seems to be a good prospects for Pakistan and he needs more confidence as well as guidance from his bowling coach and others about how to bowl in English conditions.

    Pakistan needs to sort out:

    1. Their top three batsmen i.e., who will bat through out the tournament and not change them or experiment so much.

    2. They also need to sort out their bowlers for the first 6 overs.

    If fast bowlers aren’t working, start with spinners. Don’t let the opposition get away like today.

    Duddoo Younus Khan at the post match interview is saying youngsters are learning from this game, he is referring to Ahmad Shahzad and Mohammad Aamir, but he is not saying anything about the seniors i.e., him and ALL others who played badly, are they learning too?

  313. #313 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 3, 2009 - 7:46 PM

    Awas, I am agree with you and I noticed that sad long face and me too I had a feeling that he will be out first ball against Irfan Pathan who has nailed him a few times earlier. Irfan uses his head Afridi uses his emotions. I think Afridi should stop this mind game with him of hitting him for a six on his first ball.

  314. #314 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:50 PM

    Irfan is a cool Pathan whereas Afridi is a Jazbaati Pathan. Afridi was asked about Pathan’s Pathan background and what he feels about this new Pathan guy playing for India when Irfan was a newbie, and Afridi said that he will look to attack Irfan from the first ball.

    He also said that, “Sab sey zaada maza mujhey Pathan ki ball ko maar key aata hai”.

    However Afridi HAS attacked Pathan with limited success, he hit Pathan during that 45 ball century at Kanpur.

  315. #315 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 7:56 PM

    I don’t know how this will affect Pakistan’s confidence but it is an indication of how underprepared they are. India recovered magnificently after that defeat against New Zealand.

    Also, what has now been proven is that Pakistan will have to work on their pace attack as well because they can’t beat India and Sri Lanka using Afridi and Ajmal. Ajmal bowled the same more or less as he did in the last game but he was played much more confidently.

    I am concerned about Gul, he seems to be ineffective. I wonder what is wrong with him?

  316. #316 by Pawan on June 3, 2009 - 8:02 PM

    A clinical performance by India. Although Rohit should have stayed till the end, but I guess he was given the message to finish off the innings quickly. Dhoni is a very shrewd captain.

    I am really amazed at the way Younus Khan is handling such losses. He is taking things so casually. Even in his post match presentation, he seemed to have a smile. How can a captain afford a smile in such a huge loss, even if its a warm up game?

    Sohail Tanvir, the last time I saw him was in IPL 1, was a great swing bowler. The commentators kept saying why he wasn’t utilized in the opening overs when the ball is hard and swings a lot.

    There are some tactical flaws I think, which needs to be ironed out for Pakistan to reach the semifinals.

  317. #317 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 8:16 PM

    How sad. I just visited a forum and people where discussing that Fawad Alam is being advised by people to join ICL.

    If he joins ICL or any other league what a loss it will be for Pakistan! Is politics so important that the best and brightest will be sidelined to the country’s detriment?

  318. #318 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 8:44 PM

    The fearless Mr Nice Guy Younis Khan again did not attend the press conference. Inti Alam attended in his place.

  319. #319 by khansahab on June 3, 2009 - 9:21 PM

    Pakistan team can’t play India and South Africa. There is a 10% chance I think they will beat these teams if they manage to play again.

    Australia have the pace trio of Lee, Johnson and Bracken and I think they will rout Pakistan.

    West Indies and England will give them a tough fight too. I expect the worst. Pakistan pace attack lacks direction now that Gul is not picking up wickets and Tanvir is struggling with form.

  320. #320 by Awas on June 3, 2009 - 9:26 PM


    Unless a miracle happens, they will be out after the first round. At least the match I’m going to see at Lords they are likely to win 🙂

  321. #321 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 4, 2009 - 12:07 AM

    I hope this is what Pakistan team needed to shed up its lethargic mindset. First of all, it was the wrong selection to begin with, and then, the playing XI selections, batting order, bowling changes, lack of planning or a back-up plan has exposed our limitations.

    Its a blessing that these shortcomings have come to the fore now and not during the proper tournament. That was the main purpose of these warm-up matches and they have done their part.

    If the Captain, the Coach, the Manager and other FREE-RIDERS who are responsible for planning (or mis-planning,so far) have run out ideas, they should distance from the team and hand over the reins to Shahid Afridi to atleast see us through to the semi-finals.

  322. #322 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 4, 2009 - 3:16 AM

    However Afridi HAS attacked Pathan with limited success, he hit Pathan during that 45 ball century at Kanpur. khansahab

    As far as I remember Irfan Pathan did not play in that match. Afridi started with Balaji 23 runs in one over, Anil Kumble 23 runs in one over, Mongia 22 runs in one over. Then he slammed Zaheer Khan twice 10 runs in two overs and 8 in third, a couple more and then finally after hitting Harbhajan for a four, the first ball he blocked after his 101 he was out. I don’t remember Irfan Pathan was even playing for India? You remember it wrongly. It was Zaheer Khan and not Irfan Pathan.

  323. #323 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 4, 2009 - 3:54 AM

    Kasim sahab

    There is one more point that I would like to add and that is based on your opening sentence and a simple question too, that is because you have witnessed more cricket than I have so you must be knowing and isn’t it true that, Pakistan team always plays better if they loose the first few matches, don’t they?

    These warm up games must be a blessing to regroup, reorganize, re-think, re-plan and learn from the past mistakes. No damage has been done yet, but from June 5th every single win will count and they have to work hard to get in to the next round. So, do you agree with me or not about these losses against SA and India are a kinda blessing?

  324. #324 by Mohammed Munir on June 4, 2009 - 6:36 AM

    It’s a new day guys, cheer up and let the by gone be the by gone.

    We will be a different team once the all important matches start, and I hope that Pakistan learnt their lessons and will play Fawad in all remaining games.

    Most of the guys on LS mentioned that Younis Khan is smiling/ laughing in spite of such pathetic performances in these warm-up games, and this is the most annoying part and this is the exact and the only reason why I ridicule him and his casual attitude. (This is NOT a Pathan/ Pushtoon behavior).

    More then his personal performances, I am worried for his attitude. Younis thinks he is doing such a big favour to Pakistan and Pakistani cricket fans by accepting the captaincy. And if PCB or the Management said something harsh to him, he will once again throw the captaincy back in their face like he did before. This is so wrong.

    BTW, there is a chance that Pakistan may play India on 14 June, that is if India is number one in their pool and Pakistan is second in their respective group. So it’s not the end of the world you see, and we may have our chances to settle the score with them 😆

    PS: I will be traveling to Turkey for few days and will not be able to comment much, but I will try to make a point to read LS regularly. I will also not be able to see few games and any comments/ analyses or the pre-match/ post-match reports from our LS guys will be greatly appreciated.

  325. #325 by khansahab on June 4, 2009 - 9:01 AM


    Thanks for expanding on the Actuarial analysis and I will have to say that I am agree with you.

    Actuaries/Financial Engineers are very handsomely paid (mashallah) so I wish you all the best but remember old Khansahab when you are a big man 🙂 Thori si toh lift kara dey……

    (Although people say Memon kanjoos hotey hain…….) 🙂

  326. #326 by khansahab on June 4, 2009 - 12:24 PM


    In the UK a very small proportion of lawyers and accountants are within the higher rate tax band- above £40,000 a year. I don’t know why earnings of the top 10-20% are taken to be indicative of the earnings of the whole profession. In the USA things might be different. The thing is in USA there is so much litigation culture that lawyers inevitably earn a substantial sum, because everyone wants to sue everyone else.

    That shows the you differences in mentality. In the UK litigation (court proceedings) are the last resort and in fact there are so many protocols whereby a judge will not allow you start court proceedings unless you have exhuasted other options first, like negotiating with the other side or appointing an arbitrator.

    I have only known one actuary, who lives in Pakistan. He did some work for Aga Khan Hospital, and he was filthy rich. He owned so many cars, his children went to American schools and he had many chefs in his house, who specialised in different cuisines. It was a king’s life, I tell you.

    Anyhow, I am the type of guy who will spend money anyway even if I am poor. Because I am not a KANJOOS 🙂

    Actually, people say Hyderabadi people are very kanjoos. And Delhi waali aunties are very kanjoos. I have noticed that Punjabi people spend a lot in terms of Zakat or Dawat, or when they spend in the name of religion but otherwise, they don’t spend much. But everything else being equal, on observation I have found Muhajirs to be more Kanjoos than Punjabis.

  327. #327 by Awas on June 4, 2009 - 12:37 PM


    “…the most kanjoos people I have known are Punjabis

    Is that right? So, whatever happened to their legendary mehmaan nawazi and dria-dilli 🙂 A good example that comes to mind is when cricketing relation commenced between Pak & India, it was the Indian tourists who were not only welcomed with warmth but they were very impressed with hospitality and generosity. Many shopkeepers wouldn’t take money from them. On Pakistan’s return tour such sentiments, they say, were never reciprocated.

    I wonder which cities of Pakistan they were talking about when this happened. 🙂

  328. #328 by Awas on June 4, 2009 - 12:48 PM

    Andrew Symonds is believed to be contemplating retirement after being sent home from the ICC World Twenty20 for an “alcohol-related incident”, throwing Australia’s plans for the tournament into disarray.

  329. #329 by Awas on June 4, 2009 - 12:58 PM

    Omer, LOL…

  330. #330 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 4, 2009 - 1:51 PM

    Omer as regards one being a “can juice” you cannot generalize that old expression that “memon’s are can juice or gujju’s are can juice, or Scots & Irish are can jews, among them there are certainly a few but, not everyone.

    I have a few Punjabi and memon friends here and some are and some are not can juice. For e.g., there are two Punjabi cousins (their mothers are real sisters – in other words khalazaad bhai hain) one is so generous and so carefree and he never cares about how much money he is spending on friends, whereas the other is an extreme case of a can jew-city 😀 . All his pleasure is in boasting about how cheap he bought something or how less he paid for food and got most of it, in other words value for money. To be very honest because, he is my friend’s first cousin I had to tolerate him with all his canjuicyness. In his own way he is not a bad person but, terribly can juice.

    Similarly, I can tell you that Awas is one very fine example of being a very decent Punjabi as compared to someone else we all know. In fact comparing Awas with that person is an insult to Awas, sorry Awas my apologies but, I just wanted to give an example that there are extreme cases among all communities.

    I think Memon people are very smart with their money and they don’t want to throw it away, they spend it cautiously and consciously hence they are labeled as can juice. And, that fellow Moin Akhtar has done more damage in tarnishing their community image by saying, “Dubai may itnay Memon hain, itnay Memon hain kay 2000 dirham ki shopping kero tou AIK Memon FREE milta hai.” 😀

  331. #331 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 4, 2009 - 1:54 PM


    It is bad news for Australian team and supporters and, good one for everyone else because, Andrew Symonds is a very dangerous player and its rather unfortunate that he is going to end his career because of drinking. I don’t know what happens to these guys when they become famous? Examples of Asif, Flintoff (drunk, skunk and sunk in Caribbean during WC) are in front of us.

  332. #332 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 4, 2009 - 2:00 PM

    LOL Omer @ the story. But, you see the shopkeeper has shown so much respect for Musharraf that he did not give Musharraf’s name to the robber instead he chose the correct names of the big dacoit’s names for that petty robber. 😀

  333. #333 by khansahab on June 4, 2009 - 3:00 PM


    Inti Alam at the press conference was asked why Fawad Alam is not played and this was his answer:


    The journalist repeated, “Fawad Alam”.

    Inti paused for a few seconds, either trying formulate a response or trying to remember someone and said,

    “Oh you see he is brilliant batsman and excellent fielder but at the moment it is difficult because of the team make up”.


    What is so difficult?

    Afridi can be promoted up the order, Kamran can be promoted, rookie Shahzaib can replace Butt…..but with Fawad it becomes too difficult? WTF

  334. #334 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 4, 2009 - 3:12 PM

    Mohammad Aamer is the only bowler from Pakistan who took that only Indian wicket of Rohit Sharma in yesterday’s warm up game. Not only that, Aamer’s economy rate is also the lowest among all other Pakistani bowlers who bowled yesterday. Umar Gul being the most expensive, followed by Afridi, Malik and Tanvir, all of them bowled very poorly or, should I say Rohit and Gambhir batted superbly?

    Mohammad Aamir needs encouragement from his coach, seniors and selectors, he needs to be told that he is standing near the birds, he too has wings, and its not just a dream to watch the other birds fly but, its a reality now that he needs to be inspired, motivated and not only join them but fly ahead of them and higher than them.

    Having said this I am not judging Aamer as a better bowler than others and that too based on a solo performance. But, the young man who was playing his first T20 at an international level, be it a warm up game but, in front of that huge and noisy crowd at the Oval is not an easy task for anyone to bowl with such confidence, especially when his seniors and mentors were being thrashed all over the Oval park.

    What Pakistan needs now is, to assert their bowling efficacy during the first SIX overs and to sort out their opening conundrum and the number 3 slot and how to do it, is a million dollar question. Aaquib Javed, the bowling coach will have a tough time in the nets trying to ascertain, determine what went wrong? Especially with Tanvir and Gul.

    Tanvir has been off-colour since the last IPL and Gul has suddenly started to catch Tanvir’s colours (like Kharboozay ko dekh ker Kharbooza rang pakarta wali baat) or follow Tanvir’s trend. Gul’s last over was very, very pathetic. For a moment I felt that this is some novice Akhroat from Peshawar who is bowling so many wides, no balls, bouncers and for what? The match was already over by then and he was showing his emotions by bowling bouncers after bouncers and the umpire declared it a no ball followed by a couple of wide balls.

    Aaquib Javed needs to sit down with the fast bowlers along with the team psychologist and tell them to chill out first and then focus on their follies, the psychologist needs to preempt them and clear off their mental blocks before Aaquib and the other so-called experts show them the video and tell them what went wrong? And how that can be corrected? The learning curve is a very difficult one because it has to go vertically upwards and that too in a very short period of time.

  335. #335 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 4, 2009 - 3:17 PM


    Inti Alam is actually Anti-Alam
    and what could be the reason for this? No one knows and, the reply he gave to the media was as usual a very STUPID ONE. Besides, what else do you expect from a Hoshiarpur’s Bewaqoof? (Inti was born in Hoshiarpur, India).

  336. #336 by Awas on June 4, 2009 - 4:11 PM

    I agree with your fair views on Mohammad Aamir. If coached properly and if he learns from the mistakes of his predecessors such as Shoaib, Asif and Tanvir, he could be a decent prospect. Such youngsters should try and emulate Imran, Wasim and Waqar’s cricketing ethics.

    Thank you for your kind words earlier 🙂

  337. #337 by khansahab on June 4, 2009 - 4:44 PM

    Barack Hussain Obama’s historic speech which might change the course of civilisation(“Barack” and “Hussain” are both Muslim names by the way):

    President Obama: Thank you very much. Good afternoon. I am honored to be in the timeless city of Cairo, and to be hosted by two remarkable institutions. For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning; and for over a century, Cairo University has been a source of Egypt’s advancement. And together, you represent the harmony between tradition and progress. I’m grateful for your hospitality, and the hospitality of the people of Egypt. And I’m also proud to carry with me the goodwill of the American people, and a greeting of peace from Muslim communities in my country: Assalaamu alaykum. (Applause.)

    We meet at a time of great tension between the United States and Muslims around the world — tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. The relationship between Islam and the West includes centuries of coexistence and cooperation, but also conflict and religious wars. More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a Cold War in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam.

    Violent extremists have exploited these tensions in a small but potent minority of Muslims. The attacks of September 11, 2001 and the continued efforts of these extremists to engage in violence against civilians has led some in my country to view Islam as inevitably hostile not only to America and Western countries, but also to human rights. All this has bred more fear and more mistrust.

    So long as our relationship is defined by our differences, we will empower those who sow hatred rather than peace, those who promote conflict rather than the cooperation that can help all of our people achieve justice and prosperity. And this cycle of suspicion and discord must end.

    I’ve come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles — principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

    I do so recognizing that change cannot happen overnight. I know there’s been a lot of publicity about this speech, but no single speech can eradicate years of mistrust, nor can I answer in the time that I have this afternoon all the complex questions that brought us to this point. But I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly to each other the things we hold in our hearts and that too often are said only behind closed doors. There must be a sustained effort to listen to each other; to learn from each other; to respect one another; and to seek common ground. As the Holy Koran tells us, “Be conscious of God and speak always the truth.” (Applause.) That is what I will try to do today — to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart.

    Now part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I’m a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.

    As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities — (applause) — it was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. (Applause.)

    I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President, John Adams, wrote, “The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims.” And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, they have served in our government, they have stood for civil rights, they have started businesses, they have taught at our universities, they’ve excelled in our sports arenas, they’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers — Thomas Jefferson — kept in his personal library. (Applause.)

    So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear. (Applause.)

    But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. (Applause.) Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words — within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: E pluribus unum — “Out of many, one.”

    Now, much has been made of the fact that an African American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected President. (Applause.) But my personal story is not so unique. The dream of opportunity for all people has not come true for everyone in America, but its promise exists for all who come to our shores — and that includes nearly 7 million American Muslims in our country today who, by the way, enjoy incomes and educational levels that are higher than the American average. (Applause.)

    Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one’s religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state in our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That’s why the United States government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab and to punish those who would deny it. (Applause.)

    So let there be no doubt: Islam is a part of America. And I believe that America holds within her the truth that regardless of race, religion, or station in life, all of us share common aspirations — to live in peace and security; to get an education and to work with dignity; to love our families, our communities, and our God. These things we share. This is the hope of all humanity.

    Of course, recognizing our common humanity is only the beginning of our task. Words alone cannot meet the needs of our people. These needs will be met only if we act boldly in the years ahead; and if we understand that the challenges we face are shared, and our failure to meet them will hurt us all.

    For we have learned from recent experience that when a financial system weakens in one country, prosperity is hurt everywhere. When a new flu infects one human being, all are at risk. When one nation pursues a nuclear weapon, the risk of nuclear attack rises for all nations. When violent extremists operate in one stretch of mountains, people are endangered across an ocean. When innocents in Bosnia and Darfur are slaughtered, that is a stain on our collective conscience. (Applause.) That is what it means to share this world in the 21st century. That is the responsibility we have to one another as human beings.

    And this is a difficult responsibility to embrace. For human history has often been a record of nations and tribes — and, yes, religions — subjugating one another in pursuit of their own interests. Yet in this new age, such attitudes are self-defeating. Given our interdependence, any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail. So whatever we think of the past, we must not be prisoners to it. Our problems must be dealt with through partnership; our progress must be shared. (Applause.)

    Now, that does not mean we should ignore sources of tension. Indeed, it suggests the opposite: We must face these tensions squarely. And so in that spirit, let me speak as clearly and as plainly as I can about some specific issues that I believe we must finally confront together.

    The first issue that we have to confront is violent extremism in all of its forms.

    In Ankara, I made clear that America is not — and never will be — at war with Islam. (Applause.) We will, however, relentlessly confront violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security — because we reject the same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, women, and children. And it is my first duty as President to protect the American people.

    The situation in Afghanistan demonstrates America’s goals, and our need to work together. Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al Qaeda and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice; we went because of necessity. I’m aware that there’s still some who would question or even justify the events of 9/11. But let us be clear: Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.

    Now, make no mistake: We do not want to keep our troops in Afghanistan. We see no military — we seek no military bases there. It is agonizing for America to lose our young men and women. It is costly and politically difficult to continue this conflict. We would gladly bring every single one of our troops home if we could be confident that there were not violent extremists in Afghanistan and now Pakistan determined to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. But that is not yet the case.

    And that’s why we’re partnering with a coalition of 46 countries. And despite the costs involved, America’s commitment will not weaken. Indeed, none of us should tolerate these extremists. They have killed in many countries. They have killed people of different faiths — but more than any other, they have killed Muslims. Their actions are irreconcilable with the rights of human beings, the progress of nations, and with Islam. The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent is as — it is as if he has killed all mankind. (Applause.) And the Holy Koran also says whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind. (Applause.) The enduring faith of over a billion people is so much bigger than the narrow hatred of a few. Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism — it is an important part of promoting peace.

    Now, we also know that military power alone is not going to solve the problems in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That’s why we plan to invest $1.5 billion each year over the next five years to partner with Pakistanis to build schools and hospitals, roads and businesses, and hundreds of millions to help those who’ve been displaced. That’s why we are providing more than $2.8 billion to help Afghans develop their economy and deliver services that people depend on.

    Let me also address the issue of Iraq. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq was a war of choice that provoked strong differences in my country and around the world. Although I believe that the Iraqi people are ultimately better off without the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, I also believe that events in Iraq have reminded America of the need to use diplomacy and build international consensus to resolve our problems whenever possible. (Applause.) Indeed, we can recall the words of Thomas Jefferson, who said: “I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be.”

    Today, America has a dual responsibility: to help Iraq forge a better future — and to leave Iraq to Iraqis. And I have made it clear to the Iraqi people — (applause) — I have made it clear to the Iraqi people that we pursue no bases, and no claim on their territory or resources. Iraq’s sovereignty is its own. And that’s why I ordered the removal of our combat brigades by next August. That is why we will honor our agreement with Iraq’s democratically elected government to remove combat troops from Iraqi cities by July, and to remove all of our troops from Iraq by 2012. (Applause.) We will help Iraq train its security forces and develop its economy. But we will support a secure and united Iraq as a partner, and never as a patron.

    And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter or forget our principles. Nine-eleven was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals. We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year. (Applause.)

    So America will defend itself, respectful of the sovereignty of nations and the rule of law. And we will do so in partnership with Muslim communities which are also threatened. The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer.

    The second major source of tension that we need to discuss is the situation between Israelis, Palestinians and the Arab world.

    America’s strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.

    Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed — more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, it is ignorant, and it is hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction — or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews — is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.

    On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people — Muslims and Christians — have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years they’ve endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations — large and small — that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: The situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. And America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own. (Applause.)

    For decades then, there has been a stalemate: two peoples with legitimate aspirations, each with a painful history that makes compromise elusive. It’s easy to point fingers — for Palestinians to point to the displacement brought about by Israel’s founding, and for Israelis to point to the constant hostility and attacks throughout its history from within its borders as well as beyond. But if we see this conflict only from one side or the other, then we will be blind to the truth: The only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security. (Applause.)

    That is in Israel’s interest, Palestine’s interest, America’s interest, and the world’s interest. And that is why I intend to personally pursue this outcome with all the patience and dedication that the task requires. (Applause.) The obligations — the obligations that the parties have agreed to under the road map are clear. For peace to come, it is time for them — and all of us — to live up to our responsibilities.

    Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and it does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America’s founding. This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from Eastern Europe to Indonesia. It’s a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign neither of courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That’s not how moral authority is claimed; that’s how it is surrendered.

    Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have to recognize they have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, recognize Israel’s right to exist.

    At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel’s right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine’s. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. (Applause.) This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop. (Applause.)

    And Israel must also live up to its obligation to ensure that Palestinians can live and work and develop their society. Just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza does not serve Israel’s security; neither does the continuing lack of opportunity in the West Bank. Progress in the daily lives of the Palestinian people must be a critical part of a road to peace, and Israel must take concrete steps to enable such progress.

    And finally, the Arab states must recognize that the Arab Peace Initiative was an important beginning, but not the end of their responsibilities. The Arab-Israeli conflict should no longer be used to distract the people of Arab nations from other problems. Instead, it must be a cause for action to help the Palestinian people develop the institutions that will sustain their state, to recognize Israel’s legitimacy, and to choose progress over a self-defeating focus on the past.

    America will align our policies with those who pursue peace, and we will say in public what we say in private to Israelis and Palestinians and Arabs. (Applause.) We cannot impose peace. But privately, many Muslims recognize that Israel will not go away. Likewise, many Israelis recognize the need for a Palestinian state. It is time for us to act on what everyone knows to be true.

    Too many tears have been shed. Too much blood has been shed. All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra — (applause) — as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer. (Applause.)

    The third source of tension is our shared interest in the rights and responsibilities of nations on nuclear weapons.

    This issue has been a source of tension between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran. For many years, Iran has defined itself in part by its opposition to my country, and there is in fact a tumultuous history between us. In the middle of the Cold War, the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government. Since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has played a role in acts of hostage-taking and violence against U.S. troops and civilians. This history is well known. Rather than remain trapped in the past, I’ve made it clear to Iran’s leaders and people that my country is prepared to move forward. The question now is not what Iran is against, but rather what future it wants to build.

    I recognize it will be hard to overcome decades of mistrust, but we will proceed with courage, rectitude, and resolve. There will be many issues to discuss between our two countries, and we are willing to move forward without preconditions on the basis of mutual respect. But it is clear to all concerned that when it comes to nuclear weapons, we have reached a decisive point. This is not simply about America’s interests. It’s about preventing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East that could lead this region and the world down a hugely dangerous path.

    I understand those who protest that some countries have weapons that others do not. No single nation should pick and choose which nation holds nuclear weapons. And that’s why I strongly reaffirmed America’s commitment to seek a world in which no nations hold nuclear weapons. (Applause.) And any nation — including Iran — should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power if it complies with its responsibilities under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That commitment is at the core of the treaty, and it must be kept for all who fully abide by it. And I’m hopeful that all countries in the region can share in this goal.

    The fourth issue that I will address is democracy. (Applause.)

    I know — I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years, and much of this controversy is connected to the war in Iraq. So let me be clear: No system of government can or should be imposed by one nation by any other.

    That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people. Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people. America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn’t steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. These are not just American ideas; they are human rights. And that is why we will support them everywhere. (Applause.)

    Now, there is no straight line to realize this promise. But this much is clear: Governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments — provided they govern with respect for all their people.

    This last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they’re out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others. (Applause.) So no matter where it takes hold, government of the people and by the people sets a single standard for all who would hold power: You must maintain your power through consent, not coercion; you must respect the rights of minorities, and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise; you must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party. Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy.

    AUDIENCE MEMBER: Barack Obama, we love you!

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: Thank you. (Applause.)

    The fifth issue that we must address together is religious freedom. Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition. I saw it firsthand as a child in Indonesia, where devout Christians worshiped freely in an overwhelmingly Muslim country. That is the spirit we need today. People in every country should be free to choose and live their faith based upon the persuasion of the mind and the heart and the soul. This tolerance is essential for religion to thrive, but it’s being challenged in many different ways.

    Among some Muslims, there’s a disturbing tendency to measure one’s own faith by the rejection of somebody else’s faith. The richness of religious diversity must be upheld — whether it is for Maronites in Lebanon or the Copts in Egypt. (Applause.) And if we are being honest, fault lines must be closed among Muslims, as well, as the divisions between Sunni and Shia have led to tragic violence, particularly in Iraq.

    Freedom of religion is central to the ability of peoples to live together. We must always examine the ways in which we protect it. For instance, in the United States, rules on charitable giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious obligation. That’s why I’m committed to working with American Muslims to ensure that they can fulfill zakat.

    Likewise, it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit — for instance, by dictating what clothes a Muslim woman should wear. We can’t disguise hostility towards any religion behind the pretence of liberalism.

    In fact, faith should bring us together. And that’s why we’re forging service projects in America to bring together Christians, Muslims, and Jews. That’s why we welcome efforts like Saudi Arabian King Abdullah’s interfaith dialogue and Turkey’s leadership in the Alliance of Civilizations. Around the world, we can turn dialogue into interfaith service, so bridges between peoples lead to action — whether it is combating malaria in Africa, or providing relief after a natural disaster.

    The sixth issue — the sixth issue that I want to address is women’s rights. (Applause.) I know –- I know — and you can tell from this audience, that there is a healthy debate about this issue. I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal, but I do believe that a woman who is denied an education is denied equality. (Applause.) And it is no coincidence that countries where women are well educated are far more likely to be prosperous.

    Now, let me be clear: Issues of women’s equality are by no means simply an issue for Islam. In Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, we’ve seen Muslim-majority countries elect a woman to lead. Meanwhile, the struggle for women’s equality continues in many aspects of American life, and in countries around the world.

    I am convinced that our daughters can contribute just as much to society as our sons. (Applause.) Our common prosperity will be advanced by allowing all humanity — men and women — to reach their full potential. I do not believe that women must make the same choices as men in order to be equal, and I respect those women who choose to live their lives in traditional roles. But it should be their choice. And that is why the United States will partner with any Muslim-majority country to support expanded literacy for girls, and to help young women pursue employment through micro-financing that helps people live their dreams. (Applause.)

    Finally, I want to discuss economic development and opportunity.

    I know that for many, the face of globalization is contradictory. The Internet and television can bring knowledge and information, but also offensive sexuality and mindless violence into the home. Trade can bring new wealth and opportunities, but also huge disruptions and change in communities. In all nations — including America — this change can bring fear. Fear that because of modernity we lose control over our economic choices, our politics, and most importantly our identities — those things we most cherish about our communities, our families, our traditions, and our faith.

    But I also know that human progress cannot be denied. There need not be contradictions between development and tradition. Countries like Japan and South Korea grew their economies enormously while maintaining distinct cultures. The same is true for the astonishing progress within Muslim-majority countries from Kuala Lumpur to Dubai. In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education.

    And this is important because no development strategy can be based only upon what comes out of the ground, nor can it be sustained while young people are out of work. Many Gulf states have enjoyed great wealth as a consequence of oil, and some are beginning to focus it on broader development. But all of us must recognize that education and innovation will be the currency of the 21st century — (applause) — and in too many Muslim communities, there remains underinvestment in these areas. I’m emphasizing such investment within my own country. And while America in the past has focused on oil and gas when it comes to this part of the world, we now seek a broader engagement.

    On education, we will expand exchange programs, and increase scholarships, like the one that brought my father to America. (Applause.) At the same time, we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities. And we will match promising Muslim students with internships in America; invest in online learning for teachers and children around the world; and create a new online network, so a young person in Kansas can communicate instantly with a young person in Cairo.

    On economic development, we will create a new corps of business volunteers to partner with counterparts in Muslim-majority countries. And I will host a Summit on Entrepreneurship this year to identify how we can deepen ties between business leaders, foundations and social entrepreneurs in the United States and Muslim communities around the world.

    On science and technology, we will launch a new fund to support technological development in Muslim-majority countries, and to help transfer ideas to the marketplace so they can create more jobs. We’ll open centers of scientific excellence in Africa, the Middle East and Southeast Asia, and appoint new science envoys to collaborate on programs that develop new sources of energy, create green jobs, digitize records, clean water, grow new crops. Today I’m announcing a new global effort with the Organization of the Islamic Conference to eradicate polio. And we will also expand partnerships with Muslim communities to promote child and maternal health.

    All these things must be done in partnership. Americans are ready to join with citizens and governments; community organizations, religious leaders, and businesses in Muslim communities around the world to help our people pursue a better life.

    The issues that I have described will not be easy to address. But we have a responsibility to join together on behalf of the world that we seek — a world where extremists no longer threaten our people, and American troops have come home; a world where Israelis and Palestinians are each secure in a state of their own, and nuclear energy is used for peaceful purposes; a world where governments serve their citizens, and the rights of all God’s children are respected. Those are mutual interests. That is the world we seek. But we can only achieve it together.

    I know there are many — Muslim and non-Muslim — who question whether we can forge this new beginning. Some are eager to stoke the flames of division, and to stand in the way of progress. Some suggest that it isn’t worth the effort — that we are fated to disagree, and civilizations are doomed to clash. Many more are simply skeptical that real change can occur. There’s so much fear, so much mistrust that has built up over the years. But if we choose to be bound by the past, we will never move forward. And I want to particularly say this to young people of every faith, in every country — you, more than anyone, have the ability to reimagine the world, to remake this world.

    All of us share this world for but a brief moment in time. The question is whether we spend that time focused on what pushes us apart, or whether we commit ourselves to an effort — a sustained effort — to find common ground, to focus on the future we seek for our children, and to respect the dignity of all human beings.

    It’s easier to start wars than to end them. It’s easier to blame others than to look inward. It’s easier to see what is different about someone than to find the things we share. But we should choose the right path, not just the easy path. There’s one rule that lies at the heart of every religion — that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. (Applause.) This truth transcends nations and peoples — a belief that isn’t new; that isn’t black or white or brown; that isn’t Christian or Muslim or Jew. It’s a belief that pulsed in the cradle of civilization, and that still beats in the hearts of billions around the world. It’s a faith in other people, and it’s what brought me here today.

    We have the power to make the world we seek, but only if we have the courage to make a new beginning, keeping in mind what has been written.

    The Holy Koran tells us: “O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.” The Talmud tells us: “The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of promoting peace.” The Holy Bible tells us: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” (Applause.) The people of the world can live together in peace. We know that is God’s vision. Now that must be our work here on Earth. Thank you. And may God’s peace be upon you. Thank you very much. Thank you. (Applause.)

  338. #338 by Awas on June 4, 2009 - 5:20 PM

    A wonderful speech from Barack Obama.

    If there was any doubt Barack Obama is a Christian or a Muslim, he said this in his speech:

    I’m a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims”.

    Many Christians have Muslim sounding names, espicially in Arab/African countries. Whereas, in Pakistan the Christians always change their names to Western sounding ones.

  339. #339 by khansahab on June 4, 2009 - 6:06 PM


    I am in your agree about bridging the gap between Muslims and the West. I think this speech can be a new beginning. It depends on his intentions and the intentions of the Muslim leaders. If he really made that speech genuinely then there is hope for change.

    For once, America may have made the right choice.

  340. #340 by khansahab on June 4, 2009 - 10:28 PM

    Warm-up losses timely wake-up call for Pakistan: Sallu

    LAHORE: Former chief selector Salahuddin Ahmad Sallu has advised the national team to take the back-to-back defeats in the warm-up matches as wake-up calls before entering the challenging World Twenty20 Championships.

    Pakistan lost the second warm-up match to arch-rival India by nine-wickets on Wednesday night which was the team’s second loss following the 59-run defeat at the hands of South Africa on Tuesday.

    Salahuddin, who was the chief selector when Pakistan took second position in the first Twenty20 World Championship in South Africa, told Dawn that Pakistan should play in the mega event with full potential as no team could bear the luxury of making even small mistakes in this type of cricket.

    He urged head coach Intikhab Alam and especially bowling coach Aaqib Javed to motivate the boys for the mega event. He emphasised that the all-rounders will have to play a key role as Pakistan batting did not have much depth as there are only two specialist batsmen, Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq, besides the openers in the line-up. ‘Our team is full of all-rounders, therefore, they are mainly responsible and will have to play with full potential to bring laurels for the country,’ he said.

    Salahuddin also urged the experts not to declare young pace bowler Mohammad Aamir as the future Wasim Akram at this early stage. ‘Legendary Wasim Akram is one of the greatest bowlers of all time and comparing young Aamir with him is grossly unfair as it will put extra-pressure on the youngster,’ he pointed out.

    He suggested Aamir to cork his urge for speed as it may result in wides, as was the case against India. ‘You need to bowl at line and length on pitches in England and trying to bring extra pace is not good for any bowler, especially a youngster,’ he said.

  341. #341 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 5, 2009 - 12:18 AM

    Javed A. Khan,

    Yes, I did imply that it was a blessing that we lost both warm-up games so that we dont have any illusion that we will reach final again, since we did it last time.

    Without any planning or a back-up plan, I doubt if we could even go beyond first round. Forget England, I think we have an even chance, I am more concerned about Holland who has Dirk Nannes, whom I have watched on IPL. He looks very dangerous. I have seen very many fast bowlers in my times and believe me he has impressed me a lot. He has pace, fire, movement and agression, everything that a fast bowler needs. With uncertain openers and clueless captainship, he can play havoc in his four overs.


    It is not true that Memons were/are Kanjoos (Miser). It was that they made their money in a very very legitimate(Halal) way that they made sure that every penny they spent was justified and to wasted.

    I am not talking about the Memons of later days or any other ethenic groups. The spending of money is not confined to any specific ethenic group anymore. It is how one makes money now and how one wants to SHOW-OFF.

    Let me relate a little story. I have had several Punjabi/Kashmiri friends besides other ethnicities. He related to me a real experience. Once upon a time, he went to his ancestral village in Azad Kashmir. Next day, he was surprised to see about twelve or forteen dishes on his uncle’s “Dastarkhwan”.

    On enquiry, he was told that all his uncle’s neighbors had brought one dish each as was their custom. According to my friend, many of them may had to do away with their own meal of the day!!

    Once again, I will repeat, it is the real, fiery fast bowlers who win the mathes. We have discovered Mohammed Aamer, There are others waiting to be given a chance, not the kind of chance they have given to Sohail Khan and Mohammed Talha like select them and dump them after one match indefinitely. This way they want to shatter their confidence and ruin their careers, just like they are doing it to poor Fawad Alam for last few years.

    Unless we dont introduce new talents and persists with them, these so-called established players will take their selection granted and when time comes to really replace them, there will be a void of experienced players to take over.

  342. #342 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 5, 2009 - 12:48 AM

    I have been @ work all day today and just came home and after dinner I am here reading the comments. I find that Obama’s speech too long for me to read now so, I had to leave it for some other time. I simply cannot focus bakaoz, it is the time that I would like to unwind on a sofa in front of a TV but, I had to go in a while to drop my nephew at the Arena for a hockey match, he plays for the junior league. And, 2 hours later I had to go and pick him. Already it is 8:45 p.m. and my day is not over yet.

    Kasim sahab,

    I don’t have any hopes from the Pakistan team that they will reach into super 8 but, they will manage to reach there but, after that they will loose against every single team they play. I have no clue about that Dutch fast bowler and this year I did not watch the IPL, so no comments.

    nice guy 30

    Welcome to the blog, I have been meaning to say this to you since day before yesterday i.e., the day you posted your first comment on the blog. Keep commenting. I know Pawan and Varun must be going through that feeling of euphoria after yesterday’s win. Like Munir said, they might meet again in the semis? Well, India will surely be there in the semis but Pakistan are not likely to be there, especially with this pathetic performance.

  343. #343 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 5, 2009 - 1:49 AM

    The main part of the story my Kashmiri friend told me and which struck me most amusing as well as instructive (in those days, atleast) was that, he must eat atleast one “Niwala” (helping) from each of the dishes brought by the neighbors otherwise it will create bad blood and enmity between his uncle and whoever brought whichever dish has not been touched. And there were children spying to make sure the host has eaten from their food!!

    I am pretty sure Awas will verify this custom. Alas, now, they will asking 10% nay, 90% Thats what happened to those poor Earthquake victims’ Billions of Dollars, Yens, Euros, Rials, Dinars and what-nots.

  344. #344 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 5, 2009 - 2:40 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    I have heard of those customs and traditions of sharing, even in Karachi there used to be “Pot-luck Parties” and over here it is “one dish” parties, meaning 15-20 families bring a dish and eat at someone’s house.

    We also do this during Ramadan at our Markaz (social cultural center), everyone is requested to bring something, (generally it is organized and people are informed to bring a certain item to avoid, duplication or shortage) and we eat together, iftar and dinner. It is amazing to see when 200 families or 400-500 people eat IFTAR & DINNER under one roof and that too having a huge variety of food from all ethnic backgrounds such as Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, India, Pakistan and then, it is Punjabi, Kashmiri and Peshwari, Bihari and Lucknowi dishes.

    Actually some people prepare food for say, 20-30 people e.g. biryani and, 10 people are requested to bring biryani – so there are ten varieties of every item, its fun – it is anytime better than ordering food from a restaurant or from one single source and then collecting money from people to pay, which they don’t like, but they love preparing fresh food and bringing it along. Some people bring just anything they have prepared for their family and share with others.

    As regards, kids spying on whether or not the host has tasted every single item? I haven’t heard of that but, it sounds amusing. 😀

  345. #345 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 5, 2009 - 6:31 PM

    Seems like all the bloggers are sleeping. England vs. Netherlands match started, with England openers doing well and it appeared they will score 200 plus runs but, then there was a collapse and they ended scoring only 162.

    Mr. Kasim

    I saw Nannes bowling and he was very impressive, bowled the last over very intelligently and did not give many runs (5 of the over) and he could be real problem for Pakistani openers. I think, England will give a tough time to Pakistan and I dunno what the Pakistani think tank is doing to sort out their opening conundrum and the number 3 slot.

    Netherlands already lost their first wicket in first over 2-1

  346. #346 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 5, 2009 - 8:06 PM


    England lost to Netherlands, what a match, what a finish, a nail biter till the last ball. A major upset of the tournament and a BIG TIME PRESSURE FOR PAKISTAN.

    England made their biggest mistake by resting KEVIN PIETERSEN and a lesson for Pakistan not to do this and play their full strength against Netherlands.

    Wasim Akram’s blookers: Not once, but all the time he was saying:

    NEITHER LAND instead of Netherlands.

  347. #347 by Varun Suri on June 5, 2009 - 8:10 PM

    Well Well Well…The first match was a cracker of a game…The Dutch winning on the last ball with Broad missing a run-out !!!Now the Group A has also become the Group of Death!!!

  348. #348 by Awas on June 5, 2009 - 8:47 PM

    Didn’t I say T20 is such a lottery!!!

    Javed, I agree, this result makes Pakistan’s task that much harder. If Pakistan loose against England this Sunday which is entirely possible, as England will play doubly hard, then Pakistan’s last match would be crucial for both teams. So, every match is a tough match now.

    At this stage the best teams appear to be SA, NZ, Aus and India. Possible four semi-finalists?


    Now the Group A has also become the Group of Death”.

    It does look that way. Mind you England missed many run outs and that was the difference in winning and loosing.

  349. #349 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 5, 2009 - 8:54 PM


    Your home team has won and what a sensational start to the tournament. The Rain Gods cried for England and wiped off the opening ceremony. The Dutch Boyz played so well from the word go that they were looking winners throughout the game and there was not a single moment that I doubted they will not win. I am glad they did because now Pakistan will be under tremendous pressure. The Dutch came without any pressure and they came victorious. For Pakistan, Ireland and now Netherlands or Wasim Akram’s “Neither Land” will be too dangerous. I wonder what will be strategy of Younus Khan & Co.?

    The Dutch batsmen are hard hitters and were playing well against the seamers as well as against the spinners, they hit 4 sixes and one of them was a huge one 94 meters, which could be a six on any cricket ground in the world. Adil Rashid gave 36 runs in his 4 overs, so beware Shahid Afridi and Saeed Ajmal, they are not going to spare anyone. Also, they did not miss any single, and it was this reason that England fielding (besides rain) came under pressure. Four run out chances were missed, two in Broad’s last over and he even dropped a return catch. It showed how much pressure England were feeling by scoring only 162 runs on the board.

    There must be celebrations in Amsterdam tonight and all the bars on the canal banks must be full 😀

  350. #350 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 5, 2009 - 9:00 PM


    When Pakistan will play against Netherlands it would be like the World Cup final for them, unless they beat England and eliminate them from the tournament. But, like you’ve said, England will play doubly hard with Pietersen back in the team will give Pakistan a real tough time.

    Pakistan also have to worry about Rain Gods, if they loose against England and their match against Netherlands is wiped off because of rain, they are out. I haven’t seen the schedule and whether they have reserved a second day or not? Can anyone please confirm. Thanks.

  351. #351 by khansahab on June 5, 2009 - 9:07 PM

    England is not to be underestimated. They are a better T20 side than an ODI or Test side.

    Pakistan can only win if they play out of their skins. Or they will need the two match winners Afridi and Gul to do something out of the ordinary.

  352. #352 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 5, 2009 - 9:19 PM


    There are 11 players in the team, why pin up hopes only on two? Especially since Gul is bowling pretty badly almost as bad as Tanvir so keeping hopes from him along with another Great Gambler is unfair.

    I have a couple of questions:

    1. Are they going to try Shahzaib again? Or, his career is over?
    2. Will they play Rao ifti instead of Yasir?

    Butt, should not be in the side, I have a feeling that Younus Khan, Anti Alam and others might play him because they think that conventional test players are needed in the team to play an anchor role. If that is the case then WHO IS BETTER THAN MOHAMMAD YOUSUF? He was never considered to be a T20 player and a lot of people have agreed and accepted that Butt is also not a T20 player. I would add and khansahab will vouch me, Younus Khan is also not a T20 player. But, its very unfortunate that he is not only in the playing XI but, he is the captain.

  353. #353 by khansahab on June 5, 2009 - 9:37 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I have said before (with Munir sahab dissenting) that the only three genuine match winners in the team are Younis, Gul and Afridi. Now they may not be consistent players- neither of them, but when they play to their potential they win or save matches single handedly. (It is accepted Younis is not a T20 player).

    If Afridi gets into form he can be a key player with both ball and bat. Gul just needs to bowl more yorkers, and by that I mean proper yorkers, not low full tosses. I agree with you that Gul has not been bowling that well.

    I hope they can get into some kind of rhythm.

  354. #354 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 5, 2009 - 9:54 PM


    In the last over Broad missed 3 run outs and dropped a catch of his own bowling.

    1. The first run out he missed by a few inches.
    2. Second time, he decided to run him out by diving with the ball. But a few inches before he could hit the wickets with the ball, the ball rolled off his hands and he disturbed the wickets by his hand. Through naked eye it looked like the batsman is out, but replay in slow motion from different angles confirmed that the ball slipped out of his hand and rolled away and he used his hands to dislodge the wicket. Rightly so he was given NOT out.

    3. Then, he dropped a simple caught and bowled chance.

    4. On the last ball, two runs were needed and in any case the batsmen were going to run for a single to tie the match. When the batsman hit the ball it went into Broad’s hands and they ran, Broad tried to hit the stumps but it ended in an over throw which resulted in two runs and Dutch won the match. Great excitement.

    I have already said above that if Pakistan can’t win against England, then its a very precarious situation for Pakistan. I agree with you that Pakistan will not lose against Netherlands but, they are capable of doing it i.e., if they take it very lightly.

    Secondly, Barrsaat may tuk di na dhin bhee ho sakta, like it rained today, it could rain a lot on that day so, Pakistan will end up with one point, England two and Netherlands 3. One way ticket to the moon for Pakistan.

  355. #355 by khansahab on June 5, 2009 - 10:01 PM

    If Pakistan can’t beat Netherlands or England it will be a new low for Pakistan and I think a lot of fans will lose interest. At the moment a lot of youngsters like T20 cricket and it is building a lot of interest in Pakistan because of the young population, but they can just as easily lose interest too because they are not pure cricket enthusiasts in the first place.

    There will be no excuse because the team has some of the best T20 players like Misbah, Gul and Afridi. They trained very hard in Bhurban, then a hypnotist and sports psychologist was appointed to bolster the morale of the team and England and Netherlands are not the best T20 teams. So, a loss should not be taken lightly. If Pakistan exit in the first round Younis should have some dignity and resign.

  356. #356 by Awas on June 5, 2009 - 11:10 PM


    If Pakistan exit in the first round Younis should have some dignity and resign”.

    Lets not carry out the postmortem before death 🙂

  357. #357 by Awas on June 5, 2009 - 11:18 PM

    Last time the player of the tournament was Afridi. It’s not impossible to repeat the performance but its too mush of an ask to rely solely on one player and as Javed says whole team should perform. Its a team game.

    The best T20 bowler right now is most probably Daniel Vittori and Dhoni has already mentioned he fears NZ can give them run for their money. A team to watch.

  358. #358 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 6, 2009 - 1:07 AM

    We are all talking about the game, IF Pakistan can beat England or, IF Pakistan can beat Netherlands ……….. and if that happens what will happen? Tell me if RAIN HAPPENS THEN WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

    The weather forecast from June 06, 2009 to June 10, 2009 it will be raining ALL over England except for June 8th and on that day Australia and Sri Lanka’s match is the only big match the other belongs to Ireland and Bangladesh.

    I don’t know why the organizers can’t take this factor under consideration, in England it doesn’t rain much in July so what was the point of organizing the WC in early June?

    I don’t mind any team winning or losing. BUT, I HATE IT WHEN IT RAINS…..

  359. #359 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 6, 2009 - 1:10 AM


    I agree with you about Daniel Vittori, he is undoubtedly the best spin bowler of the tournament, better than Murali, Mendis, Afridi or anyone else. Besides he is a good batsman and a shrewd captain. In my opinion NZ is the most balanced side of the tournament. I would rate them better than India because of their fielding and also rate them over South Africa because they are not chokers.

  360. #360 by khansahab on June 6, 2009 - 10:56 AM


    Jang has reported that Younis Khan might open in the next few matches so that Mohammad Aamer can be facilitated as a definite inclusion in the playing XI.

    They will do all sorts to facilitate other players, but they will also do anything to keep Fawad out.

  361. #361 by Awas on June 6, 2009 - 11:09 AM


    I think there would be enough sun at times for the games to be played. Forecast is not for continuous rain. They have good drainage systems here for the games to be started quickly. And why are they not playing in July? It’s because of Ashes which is more important to them.


    I guess Mohammad Aamer should play as Omer Gul and Tanvir are out of touch and so should Fawad Alam. They must have their best eleven. Fawad should have been played in the warm ups so that he could have got used to the conditions.

  362. #362 by khansahab on June 6, 2009 - 11:23 AM

    Indiscipline to cost Imran Nazir place in national side

    LAHORE: While confirming middle-order batsman Mohammad Yousuf and all-rounder Abdul Razzaq’s eligibility for selection in the national team, Chairman, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Ijaz Butt has said that dashing opening batsman Imran Nazir had no place in the side.

    Speaking to reporters here on Friday, Ijaz said that the PCB had cleared both Yousuf and Razzaq after their having handed in NOCs from the breakaway Indian Cricket League (ICL). But, he added, although Imran too had done the same, he would not get a place because of the indiscipline shown by him during the final of the National Twenty20 Cup at Gaddafi Stadium on May 29.

    Imran was adjudged leg-before-wicket by Nadeem Ghauri after a terrific batting stint in that final in which he was representing champions Sialkot Stallions playing against Lahore Lions. But the player reacted angrily on being given out by repeatedly hitting his bat on the ground. It has also been learnt that Imran, while passing Ghauri by said that the umpire was blind.

    As a result, match-referee Samee Khan penalised him with a suspension from three domestic matches along with a cash fine of Rs10,000.

    ‘The fine is not enough. The team does not need such indiscipline from players who believe that they will find a place in the national team after having paid the fine. It is not possible,’ Ijaz concluded.

  363. #363 by khansahab on June 6, 2009 - 11:27 AM


    I agree Aamer should get chances. However I think it will be a miracle if Fawad gets a chance. Neither Younis or Inti are in favour of Fawad Alam playing. That is quite clear now.

    About the T20 Cup, I think it should have been played in May. From my observation May is the driest month because it is the start of summer.

  364. #364 by Varun Suri on June 6, 2009 - 12:18 PM


    I only wish people would take Cricket seriously in this Country as it was certainly a big event for the Dutch to cause this upset by beating the hosts in the first game and dismissing any talk of any home advantage but one could not see any evident celebrations or supporters out on the streets as one would see in the Sub-Continent or here when they win a big football game.

    It’s a shame that even though the first Dutch Cricket Club dates back to the end of the 19th Century but for some reason the game of Cricket has been accepted and made popular only by the English speaking or more accurately the Commonwealth Countries.

    It will surely be very good for Cricket if teams like Netherlands,Scotland, Ireland and Canada can improve their standards and give the top teams a real run for their money and it would also help in making Cricket a truly global sport something which the administrators have failed to do since the inception of this great game…

    Now already we have 2 Group of Deaths and i have a strange eerie feeling that the Banglas can do it again and upset the Big Brother yet again!!!!

  365. #365 by Varun Suri on June 6, 2009 - 12:26 PM

    The worst thing in 20-20 Cricket is when it rains and they try to shorten the Match and then it could aptly be described as a big JOKE just like the game between NZ-Scotland…

  366. #366 by khansahab on June 6, 2009 - 12:54 PM

    Pakistan will give its best, says Malik

    London (IANS): Former Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik has played down his team’s sluggish showing in the warm-up games of the World Twenty20 and is confident that the 2007 finalists will put up a better show in the tournament.

    Malik said that that the morale in the Pakistan camp remains high in spite of two big defeats against South Africa and India.

    He attributed Pakistan’s indifferent form in the practice games against South Africa and India to their late arrival in England.

    “We came here quite late because of a tournament at home,” he said referring to the RBS National Twenty20 Cup in Lahore that concluded, May 29.

    Pakistan arrived May 31 and got to work straightaway by playing in a warm-up game against South Africa, losing it by 59 runs at Trent Bridge. They were outclassed by India in the next game by nine wickets.

    Malik said that Pakistan would put up a much-improved show in the tournament.

    “We didn’t get much time to adjust to what are really cold conditions here after coming from Pakistan where the temperature is around 45 (degrees Celsius),” he said.

    “But now we are getting used to these conditions and are enjoying our practice sessions in the cold weather.”

    Malik said that he and his team-mates are looking forward to have fun in the Twenty20 games.

    “Twenty20 cricket is fun to play and we are looking to enjoy our matches and give our best in them.”

    Though Malik spoke highly about Pakistan’s title hopes, he counts defending champions India, South Africa and Australia as the best teams in the event.

    Malik said that hosts England will be dogged by the absence of their key player – Andrew Flintoff – who was ruled out of the event because of injury.

    “Flintoff is a great all-rounder and England will certainly miss him. We will have an edge over England because of his absence,” he said.

    Pakistan will meet England in its opening match of the event on June 7 at The Oval.

  367. #367 by khansahab on June 6, 2009 - 1:46 PM

    T20 World Cup:

    The following points system will apply:

    Win 2
    Tie or no result 1
    Loss 0

    In the event of a tied match in the Group stage or Super Eight Series the teams shall compete in a one over per side eliminator to determine the winner. If weather conditions prevent the one over eliminator from being completed, the result will be a tie and the points allocated accordingly.

  368. #368 by Awas on June 6, 2009 - 2:11 PM


    As T20 is a Tamasha, wasn’t 7 overs match more gripping and fun?

  369. #369 by Varun Suri on June 6, 2009 - 6:47 PM


    The match was 75% complete by the time i woke up today hence the frustration…

    Anyways..Bangladesh needs 181 to win and cause another upset for the day after the Windies thrashed the Aussies….

    India needs to bowl really badly to lose this match from here but it would also be the first time a team batting first would win if they are able to stop the Bangla Giant-Killers chase this total.

    Maybe Dhoni should have sent in Raina or Yuvraj to cause maximum damage and in the end i think they were 15-20 runs short of what they would have ideally liked to achieve. As i write this Tamim Iqbal has already hit Pathan for 10 runs in the first over…

    Dhoni should only promote himself if there is a threat of a top order collapse otherwise if the openers have taken the total across 60 in first 6 overs he should continue to send in hitters like Yuvraj, Raina or YusufP.

  370. #370 by Awas on June 6, 2009 - 7:10 PM


    WI won because Chris Gayle played a devastating knock and they won the match with ease. I love Chris Gayle’s style of play, one of my favourite players.

    In India’s case, I think the score is big enough for India to win and they have got good bowlers. Yuvraj and others played really well.

  371. #371 by khansahab on June 6, 2009 - 8:18 PM


    I am in your agree 100%.

  372. #372 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 6, 2009 - 9:26 PM

    The fine is not enough. The team does not need such indiscipline from players who believe that they will find a place in the national team after having paid the fine. It is not possible,’ Ijaz Butt.

    Hitting bat on the ground is indiscipline and hitting a player with the bat is not indiscipline? Also, taking anabolic steroids and, Charas, Opium etc., is not indiscipline? Show Actor got pardoned after hitting Asif with a bat. Butt is willing to pay fine for Asif from the PCB coffers to bring him back to the national side and cut his suspension from one year to just a few months i.e., because he feels that there aren’t any good fast bowlers in Pakistan and he thinks Imran Nazir is a rogue player? What a big mouth big Butt farcical clown Ijaz Butt is.

  373. #373 by Awas on June 6, 2009 - 9:36 PM


    Quite right. Butt is overriding the system by saying “The fine is not enough”. He is basically saying that he is a better judge and the people whose job it is to judge what punishment Imran Nazir should get are wrong. His statement makes a mockery of the people who punished Imran Nazir and the system that is designed to do so. What a joke!

  374. #374 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 6, 2009 - 9:38 PM

    Chris Gayle plays one GREAT INNINGS in every tournament and c’est ca…. or, that’s it. In the last T20 WC in SA he scored something like 117 full of sixes and fours and then nothing. So, don’t expect miracles from WI team especially from Chris Gayle, if he repeats encore its just a bonus but he cannot be consistent and in the WI team there is him, Bravo and then no body. Shivnaraine Chanderpaul and Ramesh Sarwan are not that great T20 players. Suleman Ben Ladin is a very good find for them, he is tall, spins from a good height and that makes the ball bounce from good length and surprises the batsmen. He is a good fielder too.

    Anyways, I do agree with you guys that 7 overs is farcical, imagine if Scotland had won? Do you think they are better than New Zealand? The less number of overs are played the more it is like a lottery the real test and skills of a team can be judged from 50 overs and from test matches.


    I don’t see the UK local weather like you do on your Internet, I have quoted that from the cricinfo website where they have the schedule and in one of the columns they show the weather forecast. Anyways, lets all pray that it doesn’t rain tomorrow and on Tuesday.


    I agree with you that Dhoni should send Yuvraj, Raina and YP if there is a need to accelerate but, for some reason he wants to be in the center of action. Even IP scores faster than Dhoni.

    Btw, one of my friends was telling me he saw on NDTV or some Indian TV channel that they were talking last night about a rift between Dhoni and Sehwag. What is that rumour?

  375. #375 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 6, 2009 - 9:43 PM


    That is because Ijaz’s ego is in his Butt and it is inflating everyday as there is no one to question him about what he is doing and how come he is spending so much money on traveling also for employing his own relatives in the PCB, he thinks he is “Abu Dal-lah” (Above The Law).

    I think it is about time that someone should take a needle and poke it in his inflated BUTT and Phussssssh out all that stench. Sala UKP balkay BC. 😀

  376. #376 by khansahab on June 6, 2009 - 11:11 PM


    Thanks for the acknowledgement of my am-agree.

  377. #377 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 3:32 AM

    Team news

    Pakistan experimented heavily in the warm-up games but still seem no closer to an ideal XI. Aamer might have played himself into a starting spot with an impressive performance against India. But problems with the batting order are apparent: Ahmed Shehzad will open, but who will he partner? Salman Butt is not guaranteed a spot, in which case, Kamran Akmal may well do so. There have also been reports that the captain Younis Khan might take up the role, fuelling further uncertainty over his best spot in the order. And Fawad Alam also provides useful all-round options; in short, uncertainty is all.

    Pakistan: (probable) 1 Ahmed Shehzad, 2 Salman Butt, 3 Kamran Akmal (wk), 4 Shoaib Malik, 5 Misbah-ul-Haq, 6 Younis Khan (capt), 7 Shahid Afridi, 8 Sohail Tanvir, 9 Umar Gul, 10 Mohammad Aamer, 11 Saeed Ajmal.

    That is a quote from cricinfo.

    With all the rumours circulating about choosing an ideal XI for tomorrow’s game against England, Salman Butt’s name is still in the list of XI probables whereas, Fawad Alam’s name is missing.

    Osman Samiuddin and Andrew Miller of cricinfo writing articles, speculating about who would be the winner based on bowling stats and saying Umar Gul and Afridi are the best T20 bowlers and even Sohail Tanvir was the best bowler of the last IPL could do a lot of damage to England along with the rookie Mohammad Aamer. But, these are all speculations. The team who holds its nerves will win, the team that plays sensibly will win. You cannot bring back Salman Butt and except to score another 150-160 on the board and expect the bowlers to do their job.

    Pakistan should score 200 if they bat first and then bowl their hearts out and field like leopards only then they have a chance. Or simply sit back and pray that it rains all day and then contemplate on defeating Netherlands which would be much easier than defeating a wounded English side in England.

  378. #378 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 9:56 AM

    The chances are KEVIN PIETERSEN may not play in this vital game today. Also, Gramme Swan will replace Adil Rashid, who gave away 36 runs in 4 overs against Netherlands. Mascarenhas will be in the side. He is a dangerous player and can single-handedly do the damage to Pakistan, especially in batting department.

    England received too much criticism from the media and the experts for giving too much importance to ASHES and not taking the T20 WC seriously, despite being hosts for the WC their main charm is for next month’s Ashes, which the Australians always win.

    If rain prevents the result of today’s match without that FARCICAL ONE OVER JOKE then, both teams will get one point each and Pakistan will have to defeat Netherlands on Tuesday to ouster England from the tournament. Their Ashes counterpart Australia are also in a similar boat like England after the humiliating defeat against the West Indies.

  379. #379 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 10:13 AM


    I don’t know how many of our bloggers agree with me about this ICC rule of bowling one over to decide the winner in case of a tie? May be it is better than that one over bowling at the wickets, but in case of a match washed out due to rain, one over batting to decide the winner is as farcical as flipping a coin.

    I am also against the shortened version of the game i.e., 6-7 overs match like New Zealand vs. Scotland. In that match Scotland scored 89/4 in seven overs and NZ got a real scare but, thanks to Ross Taylor they won the match in 6 overs but they too lost 3 wickets because the average was close to 13 runs an over.

    Does it prove any skill test here? Especially that farcical one over joke, and I wonder who those clowns are who decided to implement this rule in the event of a rain washed out game. Then they better flip the coin or play Eenee, Meenee. Mainee, Mo.

  380. #380 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 10:26 AM

    Javed A Khan

    T20 is a Bollywood movie so jokes really don’t matter. The purpose of the exercise is to entertain and in this format players like Malik can be the 3rd highest scorers and players like Akmal and Afridi can be better batsmen than someone like Younis Khan.

    The reason I am upset about Pakistan’s performances is not because of players showing a lack of technical expertise, but because there seems to be no positive intent and the body language is pathetic. Also, selection is not based on merit. In T20 I am not saying Fawad will be a more skilled player than others, but I know he will try harder.

  381. #381 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 7, 2009 - 3:45 PM

    Anything less than 200+ will not do. To achieve this, you must have the following batting order:

    Ahmad Shahzad = Kamran Akmal = Shoaib Malik = Fawad Alam = Shahid Afridi = Misbah ul Haq = Younus Khan = Yasir Arafat = Umer Gul = Saeed Ajmal = Mohammad Aamer.

    Start the bowling with Mohammad Aamer and Saeed Ajmal, yes, Saeed Ajmal. See what happens, you have other options, I dont have to spell that out.

    My gut feeling tells me Pakistan will play out of their skin and win this one.

    To cheer you guys up, here’s my bit.

    Fred Trueman, one of Englan’d greatest fast bowlers (Circa, mid-50s-60s) was bowling when Rev. David Shepherd dropped a rather simple catch. Now, Freddie was not one to take it quitely. He was known to posess a very colourful personality and blunt and outspoken.

    The problem here was three-fold. Shepherd was an Amateur ( it was still prevalent in those days) He was the Captain of the team and above all, he was the Reverand. Freddie has this to say ” Reverand, we also fold our hands while supplicating but we also hold our catches too”

  382. #382 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 3:46 PM


    I’m not far from the action so I can tell you that at the moment it’s only partly cloudy 🙂

  383. #383 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 4:07 PM


    On you mention of “Shepherd was an Amateur”, there was a very interesting programme on BBC2 last Sunday (another episode today) about how cricket evolved.

    Here in England there were two type of players Amateurs and Professionals. Amateurs came from high society, public school boys and real toffs and always played shots in text book style with front foot forward and looked very elegant. Whereas, professionals were always from lower and middle classes but were high run scorers and were also prepared to play shots from the back foot and were much more successful players.

    The likes of Ray Illingworth and Truman were professionals. It was the Amateurs who formed the MCC at Lords to “stamp their authority” as professionals were becoming successful and winning matches. WG Grace, a prolific batsman who could play all kind of shots, was a professional to begin with from a middle class background but then MCC took him on and classed him as an Amateur. For a very long time the captains were only chosen from Amateurs. It was a fascinating history of cricket.

  384. #384 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 4:16 PM

    Fawad Alam is not playing….

  385. #385 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 4:17 PM

    Pakistan won the toss and will bowl…under cloudy conditions, right decision I think!

    Instead of Butt there should have been Fawad Alam.

  386. #386 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 4:19 PM


    Yeah, 😦

  387. #387 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 4:21 PM


    None of the links are working! Sorry.

  388. #388 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 4:28 PM


    Maybe you will cover the match today? I am not watching it. Can you watch it on TV or are you following it on Cricinfo?

  389. #389 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 4:35 PM

    9 runs in first over of Arafat? Not a good sign. Near run out but Afridis under arm throw was a fraction slow.

  390. #390 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 4:37 PM

    What a catch by Malik. Although Arafat gave 9 runs but little Aamer brought the game back into action.

  391. #391 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 4:38 PM


    Yeah, I’m watching on TV.

    Aamir takes a wicket. Good catch by Malik.

  392. #392 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 4:57 PM


    Abhi tak hot n sexy girlfriend nahi mili

  393. #393 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    Younis’s defensive captaincy. Apart from Misbah all Pakistani batsmen bat better when batting first, in a T20 game.
    Now he has brought Malik into the attack? Why?

    He wants to preserve Ajmal and Afridi until later. That is because he fears England’s tail might score quick runs.

  394. #394 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    The specialist took a good catch didn’t he? Fielding is a requirement in T20, you don’t want Razzaqs and Yousufs dropping sitters….


  395. #395 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 5:11 PM


    Yousuf….and jump?

    No man he walks, he doesn’t run and jump. Warna saans phoolney lagti hai.

  396. #396 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 5:12 PM

    Younis got his trump card Malik to bowl in the 7th over. Younis thought it would be a very smart thing to do to bring his most rubbish bowler at this stage.

  397. #397 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 5:30 PM

    I don’t know whether it is because of the Karachi background (or whether that helps), but both Owais Shah and Fawad Alam are very similar kind of players. They can play any format, they are consistent and they can play according to the needs of the situation.

  398. #398 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 5:37 PM

    Yaar you’re describing Razzaq there. At least Malik can score 40 on a flat track with some consistency.

  399. #399 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 7, 2009 - 5:48 PM

    Hey…. I didn’t say 200+ against us !!
    It was meant to be “by us”

    Somebody read some blog from the wrong angle, I guess !!!

  400. #400 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 6:06 PM

    Dropped catches could hurt Pakistan. Butt dropped a sitter. He is such a poor fielder and not a good T20 batsman. Why persist with him?

  401. #401 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 6:09 PM


    The answer is politics.

    The guy who is updating on Cricinfo thinks 185 is a low score, but I think Pakistan could have handled 160, but maybe not 185. It all depends now on Misbah and then, Malik.

    I had a feeling that if England score over 160, Pakistan will lose this match. Let us see.

  402. #402 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 7:46 PM

    An utterly shambolic performance from Pakistan. Like the warm up games they were completely outplayed again. It looks a very mediocre team and doesn’t deserve to be in super 8.

  403. #403 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 7:53 PM

    Humiliating defeat for Pakistan

    Apart from the captain, Younis, everyone performed miserably. Omer has taken the opportunity to bash Malik yet again and although Malik had a bad match, others should be blamed too. What is the point of having former vice captain and future captain Salman Butt in the side if he can’t play T20 cricket? Also, as a batsman Afridi is finished, it seems like it doesn’t matter where you play him- he has lost that touch.

    As I said earlier in T20 cricket the more batsmen you have, the better. Whoever is responsible for selection needs to remove biases and pre conceived notions and give Fawad Alam his due. Surely Pakistan can’t perform any worse than this.

    Bowling wise they don’t need to worry that much except Arafat who can’t do anything right at the moment.

    The writing is on the wall and now Pakistan need to beat Netherlands by a huge margin. Younis shop stop this defensive captaincy and he should bat first on Tuesday and attack at all costs. These players are not cornered tigers, they are cornered mice.

  404. #404 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 8:11 PM


    Regarding the NRR, I am in your agree. The match was lost when Malik came into bat and for the next 4 overs, no boundary was hit. Even Younis was playing defensively at that time.

    Basically the middle order knows Fawad Alam is sitting there so they all want to play selfishly so that he doesn’t replace them. Think about when Fawad was not sitting on the bench, did Malik and Misbah play so negatively then? (I know in this particular match Misbah can’t be blamed)

    It is time to drop Shahzad because he will keep playing bad shots. Open with Butt and Akmal and get Fawad in. In fact this time round Younis should come at no 3 and Fawad at no 4. Does Younis have the guts to effect that? NO.

  405. #405 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 8:25 PM


    I meant that when Malik came to bat, as in, as a result of something that happened because of Malik coming into bat. I didn’t explain properly, apologies. I did not mean that the match was lost after 2 or 3 overs, whenever Malik was sent into bat.

    However the reason why Malik was sent into bat ahead of Misbah is because Malik is a good hitter and aggressive player in domestic cricket, whereas Misbah is more like Younis Khan, except that Misbah has a very good T20 record while Younis hasn’t.

    Afridi came into batting form against Australia but he has lost it. It is worrying because in the past his form would remain for a while.

  406. #406 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 8:32 PM

    And Omer,

    Although I don’t agree on your overall assessment on Malik I do agree with you whenever he plays badly and I discuss his shortcomings (like how often have I said he is not a Test player).

    But there are 10 other players in the side and particularly, Salman Butt should have played a longer innings. Afridi should have batted better. So it’s not fair to level blame on Malik all the time for every defeat.

    I don’t like Malik personally, so much so that Munir sahab thinks it is because of regionalism or regional bias (although he is completely and utterly mistaken) but it is just ridiculous to blame him solely for the team’s defeat.

  407. #407 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 8:59 PM


    The job of middle order batsmen is to consolidate. It is not to hit. So Malik was doing the right thing by consolidating- he just wasn’t playing quickly enough. You don’t believe in strike rates or domestic background so I don’t know how else to explain this to you, but everything else being equal Malik is a more aggressive player than Younis and Misbah, both. Normally he also takes the least amount of time to settle down before going for his shots, compared to these two. Even though he was sent in ahead of Misbah to accelerate because he can accelerate better than Misbah (the whole world believes this except you), he has been playing as a middle order batsman now for more than half his cricketing career so it is expected of him to start a bit slowly or consolidate. That said, I have agreed that he should have been more positive and today he should have attacked rather than consolidated for most of his innings.

  408. #408 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 9:24 PM


    I said he is normally more aggressive, I did not say “better”. I don’t think you read my list when I said who in my opinion are Pakistan’s all time best batsmen and Younis was on no 3, so I actually value Younis more than you do, but in a different context. In my books Younis is not a T20 player. In T20 Misbah is better than Malik and in Tests Misbah is better than Malik. In ODI’s I think they are the same- when Malik was playing at no 3 he was Pakistan’s best batsman at that position.

    How many matches has Misbah won for Pakistan? In the past 2 years do any come to your memory? I can’t remember more than 2 or 3 matches where Younis has won a match for Pakistan on his own. The last time where Younis won Pakistan a match was the final of the Kitply Cup against India where he scored a century. I have also seen Malik play international cricket, I have seen him transform from a tailend offspinner into the team’s premier ODI batsman when he was batting at no 3. That is when people used to say he is future captain, shortly after when Inzamam took captaincy. At that position he played many matches where he made 60 or 70 and brought Pakistan close to victory. Under Inzamam’s captaincy I remember him making good contributions when playing England, India and Sri Lanka. I won’t say he is a finisher, maybe you consider finishers to be batsmen who give “performances of substance”. I don’t know if you recall that series against India when Inzamam hit a boundary on the last ball; in that series Malik brought Pakistan close to victory in 2 or 3 matches and all Inzamam had to do was to finish the matches.

    So my opinion is not only based on domestic cricket, but on international cricket too. I think you are the one who is seriously pushing it a bit because you keep blaming one player for the team’s woes.

    What role does Younis have to perform? He is inconsistent in ODI’s because he does not know whether to attack or defend at no 3. Ever since I was on Pakspin I said the main problem with Younis is that his role isn’t defined. That is because he was doing fine at no 6 when Imran Khan suggested he should bat at no 3. That destroyed his ODI career. There is a 90% chance an opener gets out cheaply and then Younis has to go in early, and he doesn’t know whether to attack or defend so he throws his wicket away.

    Saying that I said Malik is a better player than Younis though, was a very low trick 🙂 Come on Omer, you can do better than that 😉

  409. #409 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 9:38 PM

    What the margin of victory needs to be for Pakistan to qualify into the next round:

    If Pakistan is batting first, there needs to be a margin of 26 runs.

    If Pakistan are batting second, assuming Netherlands batted 20 overs, Pakistan need to successfully chase in about 17 overs.

  410. #410 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 9:42 PM

    Basically every batsman was at fault as they all failed miserably (bar Younus). Kamran Akmal who was in good form in ODI’s looked out of touch here too.

    I agree with khansahab that a player like Afridi who like Chris Gayle can turn a match around single handedly seems to have completely lost his batting touch. His bating woes were well explained by Ian Chappel. He said here he tried every shot in the book but failed miserably. He said although his bowling has improved greatly but what Afridi once was in batting is sadly no more. His fans (like me) still have high expectations of him but they get disappointed time and again.

    The main reason Afridi has not been my first preference for captain is because of his batting conundrum because I am not convinced that he is an automatic “a keep” for tests on his bowling prowess alone. He is undoubtedly a very good ODI and T20 bowler but in tests perhaps Kaneria is still a number one choice and more of “an automatic” choice than Afridi. That is why I preferred Younus that at least as a number 1 ranked batsman in the world, amongst many mediocre players, he is a clear leader on that basis alone who can command respect. He may not be the best leader but there is no one there as a truly outstanding leader either.

  411. #411 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 9:44 PM

    Apart from the captain, Younis, everyone performed miserably. khansahab


    You think Younus played well? I think he is the main reason for the defeat.

    1. He won the toss and decided to field…………. BAD DECISION.

    The reason he gave, it might rain and we are good at chasing (that is because Pak lost the last match against India recently after batting first, so they have to change it by saying we are good at chasing.) If there is prediction for rain during the later part of the day, then it is all the more important to bat first and put a decent total of 170 + and then get the opposition under pressure. The idiot didn’t even think for a second, or that was the decision that was taken in the dressing room, which was a very stupid decision.

    BAD TEAM SELECTION, Ahmad Shahzad and Salman Butt should not be in the team. Salman Butt scored 25 odd in 18 balls today that is probably his best T20 strike rate. But, he is only a 20 – 25 player who slows down the other player’s strike rate and the over all momentum of the game.

    3. Yasir Arafat gets into the team because of his supposedly all-round performance. Now check out his 20 odd runs in batting and compare it with the 40 odd runs he gives away in bowling and that creates a more negative impact on the team that a fast bowler is being thrashed from the word go and opposition batsmen morale goes up because they are hitting sixes and fours.

    4. DON’T SEND AFRIDI AT NUMBER 4 OR 5, Send him to open the innings or send him at number 7 there is nothing in the middle that he can do anything. He needs a free hand when he comes to bat or else he is in such a poor batting form that he cannot hit the ball when the team is under pressure. Wasim Akram was rubbing salt on his wounds by saying, “he plays his shots with closed eyes.”

    Saeed Ajmal dropped 2 catches and missed one simple run out chance. When he dropped a catch at short fine leg off the bowling of Arafat, Kamran Akmal went running to him to congratulate him for excellent fielding. What a load of cow manure! Butt dropped a sitter, Arafat dropped Collingwood’s sitter which resulted in a four and Collingwood smashed 2 more consecutive fours after that. That dropped catch of Collingwood cost 13 runs.

    6. Malik took an excellent catch and that’s it. His bowling was pathetic he gave away 17 runs in his over and then his batting was even more pathetic. Malik and Younus Khan were playing very slow and from that moment it was obvious that the target will not be achieved.

    7. Younus Khan remained 48 not out in 30 balls only to prove that he played well, on paper it will look nice, but in reality he played for himself and not for the team. In the post match comments he said, T20 is not about SIXES and FOURS but if you are there, you can win. WTF? He was there till the end, did he win? May be he won the selector’s nod that he remained not out on 48. When Gul came in he played the entire second over and the entire last over. Younus did nothing in asking him to take a single and go for a few fours to get past the total over 150, it would have helped in improving the NRR.

    That is why I have said above, that Pakistan lost the match because of Younus Khan’s bad captaincy, bad team selection and bad batting. He is simply an idiot who only knows how to laugh. You don’t know whether he is happy or is he laughing to save his embarrassment?

    Now Pakistan needs to beat Netherlands with a margin of 50 runs to get into the second round of super 8 or they have to achieve Netherlands total in 14 overs, which is not likely and Pakistan are going to pack their bags and go home on Tuesday.

  412. #412 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 9:49 PM

    After seeing Afridi bat today, I don’t think he would do well as an opener either. Perhaps he himself doesn’t wish to open as he knows he is completely out of touch. He should be considered as a bowler only.

  413. #413 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 9:50 PM


    I totally see your viewpoint and it is the orthodox viewpoint regarding captaincy. I just favour Afridi as captain because I feel now only a radical and gung-ho mentality can save Pakistan cricket. Afridi has been volatile and too aggressive for most of his career and if this can somehow reflect in his captaincy, Pakistan might have a chance.

    I am not exagerrating here but if Pakistan can’t even win T20’s consistently, there is no hope for this team. T20 successes could have revived Pakistan cricket, for the sake of the morale of the nation if not for commercialism. I have been warning for a while that there needs to be improvement in performances because the rest of the world is getting better at T20.

    I see absolutely no hope unless certain players are groomed to play only one type of cricket. The first thing they must do is get rid of Younis in T20, get rid of Malik in Tests, and keep a strong leash on Misbah because he has gotten away with shoddy performances against good teams. Butt should not play T20, Arafat should not play anything, Rao should not play Tests etc etc. There are still a lot of things they can do to tinker with the team. It just takes some guts to straighten the senior players and make them more accountable.

  414. #414 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 9:58 PM

    After reading AWAS’s comments I am more convinced than before that, this is exactly how people see or perceive a player’s performance. Both khansahab and Awas say that Younus played well, I am not saying that I have a vision or great knowledge of the game and Awas and khansahab are lacking. NO that is not the point or the intention here but, what they are saying is based on his 48/30 whereas, as a captain he had more responsibilities and imo, he failed in that miserably.

    You see when the players know that there is no match winner in the team and the rest of the players are all rusty and not performing and suddenly they see the opposition is getting away and are unstoppable then their morale goes down. This is something which the captain needs to understand. Bad team selection, bad decision to field first after winning the toss, unable to judge your own strengths and weaknesses, these are ll the things that effects the whole team.


    Please ignore the last paragraph of my previous comment in which I wrote the margin……. that was a frustrated comment based on their silly performance and I gave that figure OTT just for the heck of it.

  415. #415 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 10:00 PM


    On hindsight batting first would have been a good choice. If they had got England out, let’s say, for 145 then batting second would have looked like a good decision. And there was some merit in bowling first under cloudy conditions.

    If team like WI chased a good Aus total with ease with almost 5 overs to spare then any other good team can do that too. Pakistan simply cannot bat. So far all teams have won chasing, bar India in the last match when they beat Bagla-waley by setting a good target.

  416. #416 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 10:05 PM

    Awas, I agree with your point about Afridi’s batting today and that he may not wish to open the innings because he knows etc….

    I don’t know if you have noticed or not, he and Arafat were the only two players who were looking serious and sad and they did not smile for a second, whereas, the rest of the players seems to be OK as if nothing happened. Younus ko tou choro he is a BHAND even Misbah when he was coming back to the pavilion after getting out for 10, he was smiling. The others like Malik, Akmal, Ajmal sitting in the dugout were also smiling. Like, Moin Akhtar said in Loose Talk (after they lost the WC in South Africa under Waqar, Wasim and Actor) he said, “BAY SHARAM HAIN HAAR KAY BHEE HASTAY HAIN.” That is true.

  417. #417 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 10:07 PM


    I can see sense in your choice of captain but it’s too “radical” for my liking, mainly because of Afridi’s batting deficiencies. When he becomes a true all-rounder again then I would change my mind.

  418. #418 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 10:09 PM


    Yes, strangely enough I did notice as well that only Afridi and Arafat were looking seriously concerned

  419. #419 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 10:10 PM


    Like I wrote yesterday that WI plays once in blue moon and that is because of Chris Gayle and till will prove that he is not going to repeat encore, but everyone believes even, bad mouth Ian Chappel was saying the same thing that it was a poor decision to field first. I am calling Ian Chappel bad mouth because, he was taking sides with England so openly as if it is his birth right. A commentator’s job is to give fair comments. He was criticizing the umpire’s decision for giving wide by saying it is a RUBBISH DECISION and three times he said this on three different occasions (two wide balls and one height no-ball) And, Wasim Akram is there to criticize and ridicule his own players while commentating, that is not the place, your job is to commentate not criticize or ridicule the players by narrating past history.

  420. #420 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 10:14 PM


    That means, all those captains such as Waqar, Wasim, Inzi, Miandad were either bowlers or batsmen and our current captain YK is only a batsman so why this condition on Afridi that when he becomes a true all-rounder only then you will change your mind?

    You have to judge the leadership quality on the basis of his capability to lead and that doesn’t mean he must be a true all-rounder. I am sorry I don’t agree with this kinda argument. Misbah and Butt were made vice captain they are only batsmen, Charsi Afeemi ASAF was made vice captain only on the basis of his bowling…. there are hundreds of examples in almost every country where the captain is not an all-rounder but just a bowler or just a batsman.

  421. #421 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 10:17 PM


    Because as I said Afridi is perhaps not a first choice bowler in tests…he is surly no Warne, Murali, Medis or Vetorri 🙂

  422. #422 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 10:24 PM


    Just to add, Afridi is a very good bowler but not an outstanding one….although he is an outstanding one in ODI’s and T20. So, to compensate for that he needs to be an all rounder like Dwayne Bravo who could become a captain now that Chris Gayle is thinking of hanging his gloves.

  423. #423 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 10:24 PM


    The question of making Afridi as captain of the team is for T20 and ODI and not for tests, at least that is what I understand. Secondly, I would never agree on the comparison between Afridi and Kaneria. Because, I see a player’s over all utility and not just one aspect or one facet. And, I firmly believe that Afridi’s utility in test matches is far greater than Kaneria and you may check out his stats too. Afridi’s test stats are better than his ODI stats so, there you go. And, by now when everyone agrees that his bowling has improved how come it will not be more effective in test matches? How many tests Pakistan has played since the last 2 years?

  424. #424 by Awas on June 7, 2009 - 10:27 PM


    I agree with you that Afridi’s tests stats are better but it doesn’t look like that way on his current form (ie batting).

  425. #425 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 10:33 PM



  426. #426 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 7, 2009 - 10:39 PM

    Based on the current performance of a few players like:

    Tanvir, even

    Younus Khan

    They are not automatic choice in the T20 yet they are there, so why single out Afridi from test? Too much expectation and too much perfection is expected from him.


    And Kaneria is no where in the domestic matches, only PARMESHWAR knows where he is? Yet he is an automatic choice?

  427. #427 by khansahab on June 7, 2009 - 11:03 PM

    Coach, captain going in different directions

    Monday, June 08, 2009

    From Khalid Hussain

    LONDON: When the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) asked Shoaib Malik to step down as captain as replaced him with Younis Khan following a couple of heavy losses in the home series against Sri Lanka this January, one of the people who took credit for the change in the team leadership was Intikhab Alam.

    The Pakistan coach had all reasons to take credit for Younis Khan’s installation as captain as he was the one who wrote a damning report against Malik and also suggested that Younis was the obvious choice for the national team’s captaincy.

    Less than six months later, Intikhab might be ruing his choice.

    Though everybody from the coach to captain as well as the team manager would deny it, it’s quite an open secret that Intikhab and Younis are going poles apart when it comes to matters concerning the Pakistan team.

    In the past few months, Intikhab has been regularly making statements about the boys having developed a great team spirit under Younis and that there is great understanding among the players and officials of the team.

    Most of that appears to be mere lip service. Normally, you will find the coach and captain of any team side by side during team training sessions, trying to work out strategies for coming games. But since arriving here in England, one has never seen Intikhab and Younis exchanging views about anything.

    Probably, they discuss the strategies during team meetings that are held behind closed doors at the tournament hotel at Kensington High Street.

    It doesn’t seem so. Just days before their opening match of the tournament against England here at The Oval on Sunday, the captain and coach seemed to be going in different directions on several issues.

    Speaking on the issue of whether the openers should look to put on some quick runs or focus on saving their wickets in the opening overs, both Intikhab and Younis had different views.

    While Intikhab believes that the top order batsmen should try to get 60 or so runs in the power-play overs, Younis is of the view that the openers should concentrate on providing a stable start adding that later batters can go for the big hits in the final overs.

    Just a day before the warm-up match against India in June 3 at The Oval, Intikhab said that he is against the idea of any more experimentation. But the next day, Pakistan experimented with rookie opener Shahzab Hasan, pacer Mohammad Aamer and also promoted all-rounder Shahid Afridi up the batting order.

    Pakistan lost that match by nine wickets and when asked at the post-match press conference about the “experimentation” for the game, Intikhab was evasive and didn’t give any appropriate answer.

    Insiders in the Pakistan team told this correspondent that the main reason why Intikhab and Younis are lacking much-needed understanding is because they are completely different individuals.

    While Intikhab is diplomatic and at times eloquent, Younis is a straight forward yet quiet man.

    One source even went to the extent of saying that Younis doesn’t want Intikhab to continue as coach and wants somebody with whom he has a better rapport.

    Their failure to work as a team has so far hampered Pakistan’s progress, something that was evident from their indifferent form in the practice games. Their opening match against England could be a different story but one good result won’t mean that all of Pakistan’s problems are over.

  428. #428 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 3:02 AM


    That Anti-Alam and Youniswar Khan rift is not just a rumour, its true. Someone else also told me a few days ago i.e., when Anti Alam was addressing the press conference after losing the warm up game against India. He said, Intekhab aur Younus Khan ka phudda ho gaya and they don’t talk to each other. Ma Adukh Bidoon Naar, or There is no smoke without fire, so there must be some truth in these rumours.

    There was also a news on the same day when Pakistan lost to India last week, Ijaz Butt has announced unofficially that Javed Miandad will issue orders on matters related to the PCB rules, regulations, team selection, coaching, etc., etc., in other words Miandad has been given a free hand to do whatever he wants! I am not too sure but, the guy said it will soon be public info. So, lets see………..

  429. #429 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 10:20 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Whereas I respect Miandad for his patriotism and greatness as a batsman, personality wise I am not such a big fan of his. I sympathise with him because of the fact that he is not considered that great in his own country and he is respected much more outside Pakistan, despite being the best batsman the country has produced hands down, but I am critical of some of his strategies.
    He said a few months ago that because cricket has become a batsman’s game, Pakistani pitches should be flat so that it is easier to score and crowd numbers increase because of fours and sixes. Now that is one of the biggest problems in Pakistan- the fact that they can’t produce grassy pitches or those pitches with uneven bounce.

    Pakistan batsmen have a problem against swing and a problem against short pitched deliveries. Akmal, Shahzad and Butt got out playing similar shots. Also, Omer talks about players like Rao and Arafat, but the alternative to such bowlers are players like Sohail Khan and Talha. We saw both Khan and Talha were unimpressive against Sri Lanka. I liked Khan’s bowling because he hits the deck hard and also because he has some pace, but his action was flawed and his bounce was being affected because of his flawed action. I don’t know whether it has been rectified or not. Aamir has impressed but it remains to be seen whether he can perform as well on South Asian pitches which will not assist him as much.

    So that is the problem with fast bowling. Pakistani pitches are deteriorating and that is why good fast bowlers are not produced. The standard of coaching and fitness management is also going down because in the past 5 years or so there has been so much mentioned of 90mph bowlers but they all get injured and then they can never get back into form.

    It is a vicious circle and one problem leads to another. I totally agree with Javed A Khan that only a revolution can save this.

    As I was discussing with Awas, they can still make the team better but education and awareness is very important for all these measures to be implemented:

    1) Play specialist players only and train players to perform in a certain format. Younis Khan, Butt, they are not T20 players. They should get players from Sialkot Stallions because they are very good T20 players. When they have a team that excels at T20 at domestic level, like Sialkot, which has players like Malik who can’t play Test cricket that well but they can play well in bits and pieces, why are they not utilised for T20?

    2) Isn’t it obvious that only fit players and good fielders should play T20? Why are Ajmal and Butt even playing T20? That is the biggest problem I have with Razzaq, that if he plays T20 he will misfield, run poorly and drop catches. He might be a good T20 player but his net utility will be affected because of pathetic fielding and pathetic fielding also ruins the team morale.

    3) They need to stop politics and senior player culture. Malik, Misbah and Younis are not invincible and they should not be. I am sorry to offend some people by saying this but PCB needs to integrate players more and maybe give them citizenship lessons. When you have 7 or 8 Punjabi players and they all look like one unit and then you have 3 Pathan players they all look like another unit, that shows that there is ethnic friction and this needs to stop. The reason why this did not happen so much in the past was because now 3 Pathan players are automatic selections in the team, and 2 of them are senior players. This was not the case under Wasim, or Waqar, or Rashid, or even Inzamam to an extent. Again I am sorry to offend but the onus is on the Punjabi players to be more inclusive to others, because they are in the majority and hence, they have to be more sensitive towards minorities.
    By getting rid of this senior player culture players like Fawad Alam can be given more chances.

  430. #430 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 10:26 AM

    Younis Khan sees funny side

    Pakistan captain Younis Khan shrugged off the prospect of an embarrassing early exit from the World Twenty20 by dismissing the shortest form of the game as “fun cricket“.

    England’s convincing 48-run victory at The Brit Oval yesterday means Pakistan need a convincing win over The Netherlands at Lord’s tomorrow to stand a chance of joining the host nation in the Super Eights stage.

    But Younis, who top-scored with 46 not out for his side, played down the significance of failing to progress.

    He said: “This is only Twenty20 cricket. It’s only a fun game. It will be sad for us if we don’t reach the Super Eight, but it is not a disaster.

    “Twenty20 is all about fun, with people hitting fours and huge sixes.”

    Pakistan were very poor in the field throughout the game and missed a number of catches and Younis vowed to make changes for tomorrow’s game.

    He added: “The worrying thing for us is our fielding. We missed run-outs and dropped catches, and probably gave England an extra 20 to 25 runs.”

    Only in Pakistan can a captain with this mindset be retained as captain. Did you see how worried and depressed England were after their defeat to Netherlands? On paper Pakistan is a much stronger team than England and this is pretty humiliating.

  431. #431 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 10:50 AM

    I just heard Younis’s press conference and he is an idiot. His answers are so unprofessional and stupid that I laughed a few times. And I don’t laugh easily.

    He did not even mention Fawad Alam once although he kept talking about poor batting.

    He was asked about whether Pakistan was missing Shoaib Akhtar and Asif. He said, “I miss lots of things. I miss my family, but what can I do about it”? And then he laughed.

    He was asked why he thought it was “fun” to lose. He said, “Well T20 is fun but ask me this question after our game to Netherlands and then I will tell you what fun it is”.

    He was asked if he would consider opening, and he said, “Why me? Why not any other senior player?”

    And then the journalist said, “Because you can play the new ball”.

    So he said, “OK well if you think that is the case then for your sake I might open”. And then he laughed more.

    He kept laughing after every 30 seconds, it was a bizarre press conference and he looked like an utter idiot.

  432. #432 by Mohammed Munir on June 8, 2009 - 11:12 AM

    Told you guys, the problem is NOT Younis Khan’s performance only, but the real and major problem is his “Beyghairat” attitude. 😆

  433. #433 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 11:41 AM


    I told you b4, Younus Khan is a BHAAND. It means, a clown, a court jester, a comedian, but he is not a captain or a leader. And the PCB is a laughing stock for making him the captain just because Imran Khan the great said: he is an automatic choice, so his words were taken as the words of the Gospel. The whole media started chanting his words and some used to say he is the, “Auto-may-tick chaice and he is the Kudar-tee Chaice”. And, see what a mess he is making. On the field and off-the field. A clown, is a clown, is a clown. If you ask him who is the famous person you admire? And, I wouldn’t be surprised if he says, “Charlie Chaplin, ” and starts laughing.

    If you have noticed in his brief intro on TV (as a new batsman-in) he says, Hi – my name is Younus Khan, favourite shot, “reverse sweep.” Upon hearing it, the commentators were laughing because, how often do you play that silly shot and how many times you are successful playing that stupid shot? You say something that you are really good at it like, cover drive, on-drive, pull-shot etc. Umer Gul said, my nick name is “Gulli” LOL. Whereas, Afridi has changed his earlier comment and says, “My favourite cricketer, Imran Khan.” Earlier he used to say, “My favourite shot, anywhere for a six.”

  434. #434 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 12:03 PM


    Pakistan Chief Selector Qadir quits

    The Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Selection Committee Abdul Qadir on Monday tendered his resignation to PCB and Chairman PCB accepted the same.

    Qadir’s move to quit the PCB services is believed to have come due to Pakistan team’s poor show at the ongoing World Twenty20 in England.

    On Sunday, hosts England thumped Pakistan by 48 runs in their must-win match and kept themselves afloat in the Twenty20 Championship.

    Earlier, Pakistan also lost their warm-up matches against India and South Africa.

  435. #435 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 12:57 PM


    If you find some comments comical then please explain why in the 2007 T20 World Cup Younis averaged 18, with 1 fifty from seven matches at a modest T20 strike rate of 107. I admit statistics don’t provide the entire picture but there is a point to statistics because stats are facts and they help more than hinder. And how do you explain the fact that he has generally a poor T20 record?

    What is happening with Afridi and Malik is that they are suffering from occasional lapses of form. Afridi was the Man of the Series I think last time in the T20 World Cup and if anything, his bowling has improved whereas Malik was the 4th highest scorer (I said 3rd before, apologies).

    This is all subject to Younis batting at no 3. If he bats at no 5 from now on like he did in the previous match, I have no doubt his performance will improve. Since 2006 I have been against Younis batting at no 3 because I knew it will affect his performance and he lost his consistency. Imran Khan said what he had to say but the fact is batting at no 3 has made Younis a dispensable commodity in limited overs cricket.

    So I hope he does the right thing by batting lower down where he can plan his innings better and play his natural game.

  436. #436 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 1:26 PM

    What the Pakistani player intros should say…..

    “Hi I am Salman Butt, Left Handed Batsman. I dont know why I am playing T20”

    “Hi I am Ahmed Shahzad, RHB. My favourite shot is anywhere up in the sky and then into the hands of the fielder”

    “Hi I am Younis Khan, RHB. My fav shot is reverse sweep although it usually gives my wicket away, but I am happy”

    “Hi I am Shoaib Malik, RHB. I dont know why I was made a Test player and I specialise in bits and pieces cricket”

    “Hi I am Shahid Afridi, RHB. My favourite shot? Any shot that will get me out asap”

    “Hi I am Kamran Akmal, RHB. My favourite hobby is dropping catches and chirping like an idiot”

    “Hi I am Shahzaib Hassan, RHB. My favourite shot is not playing any shot”.

    “Hi i am Misbah, RHB. My favourite shot is any useless innovative shot that makes me look stupid”.

  437. #437 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 1:28 PM


    Younis is not the best T20 player but he is adapting to T20 and is progressing while the so called other T20 stars and specialists are regressing. Past glories won’t take you farther if player are not delivering now. I was specifically talking about the strength of players in specific format of the game. Younis is not supposed to be good in T20 and Malik, Afridi, Misbah, and Akmal are, so they should be responsible for batting failures more than Younis. Similarly Afridi (the best bowler of last tournament) and Gul (one of the best in T20) should take responsibility for dismal bowling performance. Not everything should be dumped on Younis as a captain as he does not have a remote control to extract performance from these senior players who know their role and responsibility well. Similarly, if Younis is not delivering in Tests then he should be held accountable more than others because that format is supposed to be his strength. Younis’ inclusion in T20 is chiefly due to he being the skipper and the management’s persistence with one skipper for all format policy. There is however no other leader in the team. Changing captain after each lost tournament or series won’t do anything because the core problem will persist and that is experienced players not delivering. Besides there will be no stability in the long run which is very important in any sports.

  438. #438 by Q on June 8, 2009 - 1:29 PM

    Hahahaha!! hilarious Khansahab!

  439. #439 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 1:38 PM

    Very funny Khansahab 🙂

    I’ll add one more:

    “Hi I’m Fawad Alam, my ass hurts sitting on the bench” 😀

  440. #440 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 1:41 PM

    “Hi I am Intikhab Alam, RHB. I want Fawad to sit on the bench so his ass hurts”

    “Hi I am Yawar Saeed, RHB. I want to hurt Fawad in the ass” (So as team manager I will play politics and make him sit out)

  441. #441 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 2:04 PM

    Intikhab Alam, “If Fawad knew how to speak fluent Punjabi, he’ll be in the team”.

    Yawar Saeed, “If Fawad was from Lahore or Sialkot, he would play. Why he was born in Karachi? It’s his fault”.

  442. #442 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    “Hi I am Ijaz Butt, RHB. I hurt people in the ass”.

    “Hi I am Zardari, RHB. I am an ass”.

  443. #443 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 2:17 PM

    “Hi I’m Ijaz Butt and I was appointed by the Ass so no one can touch me. By the way I’m off for a foreign tour with all my good friends at the expense of Public Money. All you assh*les can keep bitching but nothing will happen because I live in a wonderful country where incompetency is rewarded and corruption is a blessing”

  444. #444 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 3:41 PM

    Younis is not the best T20 player but he is adapting to T20 and is progressing while the so called other T20 stars and specialists are regressing. Theossa.


    Yeah, very nice progress “I am agree” and “I happy” and, I pack my bags tomorrow to go home. “Youniswar Khan.”

    I see you are supporting Younus only because you gave your word to support him, “Fataan Ka zubaan ek.” Too be very honest I don’t hate him or dislike him, neither I hate or, dislike Malik as a player but, the crux of the matter is both are incompetent captains. And, YK is looking more of an idiot because of his off the field comments which are simply verbose.

  445. #445 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 3:46 PM


    O’ Brien Brothers bulldozed Bangladesh out of the tournament and another team which is in a similar boat today is, Australia i.e., if Sri Lanka push them out.

    Pakistan team will check out from their hotel tomorrow morning and will catch a flight immediately after the match, they don’t want to waste anytime. Btw, where is that, “puckered ass, pimple bum, inflated Butt” called Ijaz? Shouldn’t he resign instead of Abdul Qadir?

  446. #446 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 4:04 PM


    I dunno if you have watched yesterday’s match or not? But just look at this: On the last ball of 18th over Arafat was out the score was 129 and Gul came in to bat, YK was on 46 and he let Gul play the whole of that over and the next over and Pakistan ended scoring 137 i.e., 8 runs in 12 balls.

    Had Younus taken the charge from there on and accelerated the score and added 20 more runs in 12 balls, instead of just 8 runs, all scored by Umer Gul, the NRR for Pakistan may have improved a little better for next match against Netherlands. Younus never thought about that and it shows he has no mind to think. The only “kudartee baat” that comes to his empty chamber is “laugh” and that too seems like a reflex action, probably due to rectal aneurysm resulting from an overdose of niswar.

    During the post match comment by captains, he said, “T20 is not just about 4’s and 6’s if you stay there, you can achieve it.” What does he mean by that? Instead of blaming bad batting, bad captaincy, bad bowling he blamed “bad fielding” let Pakistan down. Later he singled out Salman Butt who dropped a sitter, but did not mention anything about Saeed Ajmal dropping two sitters and Yasir Arafat dropping another simple catch.

    Besides, it was his bad decision to choose the wrong team i.e., Ahmad Shahzad and Butt and then the second bad decision was choosing to field after winning the toss. If you have good stroke makers like Imran Nazir, Razzaq etc., then you can rely on chasing. Right now every single Pakistani batsman is out of form and not scoring big, so chasing was not a good idea.

  447. #447 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 4:04 PM


    Amaara Younis nur hai
    Tumhara Afridi Khur hai


  448. #448 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 4:20 PM

    “T20 is not just about 4’s and 6’s if you stay there, you can achieve it” – Younis

    What’s wrong with what Younis had said? You cannot hit 4s and 6s on every ball, one odd boundary an over or just a couple of good overs can do the trick. And fielding did concede probably 30 more runs if you look at misfielding and chances that were given. If Pakistan had restricted England around 155 then they had a good chance to win the game.

    Gul can hit some 4s and 6s that’s why Younis let him play. Too bad Gul couldn’t just like the other mega T20 stars that choked yet again. If we can find excuse that all batsmen are out of form, which I don’t agree with as Misbah, akmal, and Afridi played well against Australia in UAE, then what about bowlers? And bowling second? These are all just buts and ifs. Bottom line is players have to play sensibly while batting, bowling, and fielding. Especially the senior players need to take responsibility.

  449. #449 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 4:48 PM

    Amaara Younis nur hai
    Tumhara Afridi Khur hai


    Afridi is nurr by ALL means, he even has two kids.
    Younus KYA HAI? No one knows yet. 😀

  450. #450 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 4:52 PM


    Younis and MoYo are moody individuals and we can’t say for sure that either of these two will retire in next 4 years. It is quite possible one or both of them will retire in next couple of years. Especially Younis who doesn’t really care about making a load of money can leave just because he was agitated. So your concern is spot on and I don’t know how the PCB will realize this? I really don’t like Ijaz Butt, Salim Altaf, and Intikhab Alam. In my opinion the best selector and a very good talent finder is Slahuddin Ahmed, Miandad can make a good Chairman, while Waqar Younis or Aaqib Javed can be made the coach. As you know in most sports coach is the most influential person directly related to team selection, strategy building, and grooming young players. And management just do that i.e. managing the sport affairs. We have here the freaking chairman interfere with team selection which is based on pure nepotism or calls from some political figures. Our coach stinks and captain is put under tremendous pressure to come up with strategy as well as on field decision. What the heck Intikhab does? What responsibility he actually has that he can be held accountable for?

    Further discussing your rebuilding suggestion; How hard it is to recruit good young players? Send scouts to select top 20 batsmen and top 20 bowlers in the country and have trials to evaluate them. Even if we find two good bowlers and two good batsmen we have a hope. Situation right now is there are deserving and tested players waiting in the wing but are wasted by introducing them in a match or two and then sink them forever. I personally believe that all rookies should be tried only during home series to relieve them of some pressure, in our case it’s more Pardes less home.

  451. #451 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 5:03 PM

    What’s wrong with what Younis had said? You cannot hit 4s and 6s on every ball….


    The thing is no one expects to hit 4’s and 6’s on every ball, but you cannot make 180 if you play like Malik, Butt, Shahzad and Younus. You have to go for big hitting, being there is not important, he was there till the end what did he achieve? DEFEAT !

    Secondly, IF the captain and a senior player himself and being at the crease for such a long time at 46 not out and 12 balls remaining, he should have taken the initiative and gone for big hitting, depending on a bowler to do that job is real stupidity.

    If you are talking about bowling. Both, Mohammad Aamer and Afridi bowled their first two overs very well and Afridi gave only 8 runs in 2 overs. But, it was Arafat and Malik who ruined the match and allowed the English players to hit sixes and fours. When Gul was introduced he took a wicket in first over, Younus removed him and that was another mistake, he should have given him at least one more over. Because in his next spell he got Ovais Shah’s wicket.

    A captain must know the strengths and weaknesses of his bowlers and batsmen. Arafat gave 37 runs with the new ball and he bowled his last over (20th over) very well gave only 5 runs.

    I agree with Mr. M. Y. Kasim who said a night before the match, get Mohammad Aamer to open the bowling and from the other end use Saeed Ajmal. Gul and Arafat should never open the innings with a new ball. Both are good with the slightly scruffy ball. I would have done that what Mr. Kasim suggested and then brought in Afridi and Malik as second change bowlers.

    Anyways, there is still one more match and it is a very crucial match not because Netherlands defeated England but, because of Pakistan’s own stupidity they have to score too many runs or get them out very cheaply. And, at this stage Pakistan would still be experimenting, like they always do.


    Ponting gave too much room to play Mendis and was bowled, leg stump uprooted. 48/2 Australia.

  452. #452 by Awas on June 8, 2009 - 5:18 PM

    Qadir resigns. This at least shows a bit of decency from that guy if nothing else. Why can’t some of the others do the decent thing, such as Intikhab Alam and Butt? After all the buck stops at them. I agree that changing a captain at every loss is not going to solve fundamental problems that teams is facing right now.

    If Younus is given a free hand without interference from up-above and without that nuisance of a coach around him then there may be more cohesion and sensible selection (like picking Fawad Alam).


    Too be very honest I don’t hate him or dislike him, neither I hate or, dislike Malik as a player but, the crux of the matter is both are incompetent captains”.

    I think if it is to be believed that Afridi as captain will be the elixir and solve all the ills of the team then I’m afraid it’s not gonna happen. He would be a decent captain no doubt but that is about all there is to him. He is no Imran Khan, Steve Waugh or Mike Brearley. I agree with Theossa, the seniors need to take responsibility and that includes bowlers and batters.


    Lol @ “Why he [Fawad Alam] was born in Karachi? It’s his fault”. Wicked 🙂

  453. #453 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 5:19 PM

    Mendis got his 2nd wicket in his second over and that is of Shane Watson. I watched his action a few times by rewinding the PVR and also by freezing it and observing it frame by frame. What I noticed is:

    Mendis, bends his back a lot more than other spin bowlers. Compare him with Saeed Ajmal, he keeps his back stiff and pulls it back, whereas Mendis adds his body weight to his arms when delivering with that easy action and that is why the batsmen cannot judge him well and while he is releasing the ball from his hand he inserts a slight pressure from his index finger, there is not much turn or spin, but he bowls with a lot of accuracy both in terms of line and length and makes no mistakes, the batsman makes mistake and he is gone. Watson did the same, he was not confident to play that shot instead he tried to sweep and got LBW, the ball hit his thigh when he was on his knees trying to sweep.

  454. #454 by Mohammed Munir on June 8, 2009 - 5:22 PM

    Khansahab …

    We crossed 500 comments, so “close” this page 😉

  455. #455 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 5:25 PM


    There are many a slip between the cup and the lip. There are too many “if’s” and “Butt’s” but, the proof of the pudding is in eating. Lets first see if he gets the role until then, neither you or I can be sure or else it is pure speculation. Both Malik and Younus have proved that they are not good captains. And, no one can be Imran Khan, Steve Waugh or Mike Brearley, every individual is different from the other.

  456. #456 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 5:29 PM

    Yes Munir Istanbul

    We will write a new thread after tomorrow’s match i.e., when Pakistan will be on PIA flight to Pakistan. Australia are reeling in front of Sri Lanka and now they are 79/5 in 13th over.

  457. #457 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 5:34 PM


    You have to go for big hitting, being there is not important, he was there till the end what did he achieve? DEFEAT!

    Comical again, we can go back and forth all day long on this issue. Like Omer stated also, Younis role is not to do big hitting in T20. Afridi, Malik, Akmal, and Misbah were supposed to do that. Omer Gul can hit 4s and 6s better than Younis. It’s like asking Afridi to score double century in Tests. Younis played his part real well i.e. anchoring one end and that too with a good strike rate. The other big T20 names that I mentioned choked miserably. There are 11 guys in the team and everyone should play their part which most didn’t so that’s why DEFEAT! not because of Younis. Rest of your post is again buts and ifs 🙂 Enjoy the Aus-SL game man.

  458. #458 by Mohammed Munir on June 8, 2009 - 5:35 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Thank you for your comment no. 461, and you have almost summarised the entire game in a nut-shell.

    I respect what Qadir did by resigning and owning a problem, which is so rear in Pakistan. Although, I guess Qadir said before that if the Captain selects the players then he will be responcible and not Qadir, but still he went ahead and resigned.

    I hope now Intikhab Alam, Ijaz Butt, Younis Khan and others will also follow. That is only if they have some ‘Gairat’ left in them.

  459. #459 by Mohammed Munir on June 8, 2009 - 5:37 PM

    Not ‘Istanbul’, but Istanbolly 😉

  460. #460 by Mohammed Munir on June 8, 2009 - 5:43 PM

    Theossa …

    Tell me brother, in your entire life, have you ever seen a Pushtoon who smiles/ laughs after loosing a game ??

    Today I was with a friend, and he was saying that what Younis is displaying by smiling and laughing like stupids, is totally not Pakistani or Pathan behaviour, after loosing so many games and such humiliations, he should have committed suicide.

  461. #461 by Mohammed Munir on June 8, 2009 - 5:47 PM

    Ok guys, now that Pakistan seems out of the equation, let’s select out second favourite teams.

    After Pakistan, I like West Indies, not based on their performance only, but because West Indiies is for Cricket, What Brazil is for Football. 🙂

  462. #462 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 5:54 PM


    What Younis’s laughter or smiles have to do with on field performance? Are you judging him as a person or as a cricketer? There are lots and lots of Pushtoons and Pakistanis doing the things in Pakistan that no one can be proud of, again what that has to do with discussion over cricket?

    @ Younis is displaying by smiling and laughing like stupidsis totally not Pakistani or Pathan behaviour, after loosing so many games and such humiliations, he should have committed suicide.

    People can read your thought process and substance you presented so I have no comments 🙂

  463. #463 by Awas on June 8, 2009 - 5:55 PM

    Pakistan needs to win tomorrow be a margin of 25 runs to go through. So, not entirely impossible task. My trip to Lords, to see it all live, may just bring a smile on my face.


    Well said….its about all 11 players not just Younus.


    As I said above, you don’t keep chopping your captains after such a short stint. If all 11 players don’t perform, we would be changing captains after every series.

    And why shouldn’t Pakistanis be allowed to smile?

    I though only Theossa likes Vehshi Gujjars 🙂

  464. #464 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 6:11 PM


    LOL, I had good Butt, Gujjar, and Bhatti friends during my university days in Pak. I liked Gujjars because of their straight forward linear approach towards things. Butts were beautiful so I would hang out with them to show off my Pathan colleagues from FATA who would get impressed 🙂 The only cast that I didn’t like was “Arain”, not to stereo type them but the ones I met in University were douche bags.

  465. #465 by Awas on June 8, 2009 - 6:17 PM


    Talking about “stereotypes” and “Arain” what I know about them is that they are very Larrakay Loag 🙂

    I never knew there was a ban on Pakistanis smiling. I wonder why Munir keeps smiling then 🙂 🙂 🙂 😀

  466. #466 by Theossa on June 8, 2009 - 6:26 PM


    Well, Arain were not really ladako but rather uptight, kindda like Javed.

    I think Munir went to Turkey to take massage and getting rubbed by dudes 🙂

  467. #467 by Awas on June 8, 2009 - 7:18 PM

    khansahab said it correctly much earlier yesterday and now Osman Samiuddin in his preview has also said this:

    Netherlands, to progress and thus consign Pakistan to a fate they seem worryingly resigned to, can afford to lose, but by no more than 24 runs. If Pakistan chase, then they must do so with roughly three overs to spare”.

  468. #468 by Awas on June 8, 2009 - 7:26 PM


    Osman Samiuddin hasn’t mentioned Fawad Alam either. I guess he too wasn’t born in Karachi 🙂

  469. #469 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 8:27 PM


    Or maybe he has given up! Like I am about to give up…

  470. #470 by Awas on June 8, 2009 - 8:34 PM


    Let’s not give up. My motto is never say die.

    Perhaps I should have taken up cricket 🙂

  471. #471 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 9:55 PM

    Abdul Qadir quits selection committee

    LAHORE: Chief selector Abdul Qadir tendered his resignation on Monday in the wake of severe criticism from the Governing Board members over the selection affairs as well as fast declining relationship with the chairman of Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Ijaz Butt.

    ‘The chairman selection committee Mr. Abdul Qadir today tendered his resignation to PCB and chairman PCB has accepted the same,’ a short press release issued by the PCB on Monday said.

    Ijaz had appointed Abdul Qadir, the veteran of 67 Tests and 104 One-day matches, as chief selector in place of Salahuddin Ahmad Sallu, six months ago.

    But Qadir’s performance as chief selector remained below par as his policy of ‘pick the new boys and ignore them quickly’ has raised the eyebrows of many experts about the inconsistency in the matter of selection. For the national and ‘A’ teams training camps he had been picking 40 to 50 players, many unknown, but for the next one many of them were ignored.

    The Governing Board members in the last meeting, which was held in Lahore on June 5 had lashed out at the performance of Qadir as chief selector. Well informed sources said they took one hour to discuss the point, which was not on the agenda of the meeting. To satisfy the members of the GB, the PCB chairman had ensured them that he would soon review both selection committees (senior and junior).

    Sources said that the PCB chairman asked Qadir to tender the resignation, otherwise, he could face sacking. Qadir, who was also not happy with Ijaz for his remarks over some selections, deemed it fit to resign.

    Sources said in the next phase, Shoaib Mohammad, a member of the senior selection committee could quit because of having a dual job (as selector and an employee of PIA), leaving behind Saleem Jaffar as the lone selector. The PCB had given Shoaib time till this month to decide whether he would like to be in the selection committee or with his department.

    To form the new selection committee, sources said Aamir Sohail, currently working as NCA Director, could be given additional role as chief selector in place of Qadir.

    Sources further said the poor performance of the Pakistan team in the ongoing Twenty20 World Cup could be the second reason of the decision. But it had no much affect because the decision has been taken at the time when Pakistan still have the chances to qualify for the next stage of the mega event, despite lying at the bottom of the group ‘B’ followed by England and minnows Holland.

    Sources said had the PCB chairman considered the World Cup performance as reason for Qadir’s sacking, then it would have been a bit unjust, since head coach Intikhab Alam, captain Younus Khan were also equally responsible; all three had made a joined selection and Qadir had no free hand in that respect.

    Ijaz’s support to both Intikhab Alam, manager Yawar Saeed and Younis forced Qadir to give weight to the team management’s proposal about the selection, thus all are equally responsible. But sources said Ijaz would not take any action against Intikhab and Yawar.

    Sources said that some confidential reports of the last meeting of the PCB think-tank held in the last week also leaked out in which Ijaz has been quoting as saying that he was not satisfied with Qadir’s performance.

    Qadir’s last assignment was to pick up the national ‘A’ team for the Australian tour, starting from June 22. For it he had called up 40 players to finalise the team but missing Nasir Jamshed, Khaqan Arsal and some other deserving players.

    When contacted a PCB spokesman said that there was no possibility that the PCB would make any change in the ‘A’ team, since the chairman had already given approval to it.

  472. #472 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 9:59 PM

    If Aamer Sohail is made Selector then it will be more disaster for Pakistan cricket. Aamer is a petty politician and he has played politics throughout his cricket career.

    I don’t consider Sohail to be fair. Recently in the RBS Cup he was commentating and he was only supporting Punjabi players and he criticised Karachi players reguarly. Karachi played 2 matches and Fawad was the best batsman in both matches, but in both matches Sohail said that Fawad was using wrong technique and would be dismissed soon etc. But it didn’t happen, rather the contrary happened.

    Sohail is biased towards Fawad and Afridi and he should not be made Selector. It will be another stupid decision by Ijaz Butt. Qadir was doing fine and there was no need to sack him.

  473. #473 by Pawan on June 8, 2009 - 11:05 PM

    Its a sad situation for Pakistan. I guess the warning bells were ringing right from the warm-up games. For a team to win matches, at least 2-3 players must play exceptional cricket in that team. The chance of finding those 2-3 players who can win a game for Pakistan today are sadly very bleak. Just a glance at the run-rates and one can’t help but notice Pakistan are a negative 2 down. It’s pretty hard to come back from that down. But one never knows. There are big-game players in the side (definitely not Malik or Butt). But Afridi, Younus, Misbah and Akmal, if they decide can win this for their side and their country, which desperately needs this tournament for cricket to survive in it, like Theossa rightly pointed out in one of his comments. Younus simply has to lead from front here and completely banish his happy-go-lucky attitude as it is starting to sound really stupid. Sometimes people do want to see the lighter side of things just to take that pressure off, and may be Younus is indeed taking captaincy that way because I remember him rejecting the offer of captaincy after the 2007 world-cup loss by reasoning out that leading a Pakistani team is a very pressure-cooker kind of situation. I think the way he is handling things would make him pressure-free, but at the same time he won’t be able to give his passionate best for his country. Win or lose, if one gives his absolute best, then it shouldn’t bother oneself leave alone others. By adopting this “carefree” attitude, he is looking like a coward, running away from the situation and not giving himself, the Younus Khan, his best chance, to have a go at it. To be really carefree, he has to take chances, be serious and face it. Even if he fails he can always say “God knows, I tried”.

  474. #474 by khansahab on June 8, 2009 - 11:41 PM

    Younis brigade aim to outclass Netherlands today

    LONDON: The ghosts of Pakistan’s shock first-round elimination from the 2007 World Cup in the Caribbean must have been haunting the national players on Monday as they prepared to take on the Netherlands in a do-or-die game of the ICC World Tweny20 Championship here at Lord’s on Tuesday (today).

    Two years back facing a similar situation, Pakistan flopped miserably against minnows Ireland in a must-win match in Kingston and were thrown out of the quadrennial spectacle.At Lord’s on Tuesday, Pakistan will have to beat the courageous Dutch by a sizeable margin to push their way into the next round of the tournament.

    On current form, it seems unlikely that the Pakistanis will be able to outclass the much-improved Dutch who registered a stunning four-wicket upset over England with clinical precision in the tournament opener at Lord’s last Friday to make it crystal clear that they are no push-overs. In stark contrast, Pakistan are yet to show any signs of character on this tour so far.

    They were sloppy against South Africa and India in the warm-up matches last week and were unable to lift their game against England on Sunday. They are on the verge of a disappointing exit from the tournament, but the mood in the Pakistani camp remains upbeat.

    “There is no use getting bogged down by what happened in the previous game,” said team coach Intikhab Alam. “The tournament is not over for us yet and I’m sure our boys have the heart to bounce back tomorrow,” he added.

    Pakistan have to beat the Dutch by at least 25 runs or with three overs to spare to surpass them in terms of run-rate and qualify for the Super Eights.Captain Younis Khan said that the team’s senior players will have to come forward and help Pakistan achieve the tough task.
    “It won’t be easy but we will have to do it somehow and for that the senior players like Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Misbah-ul-Haq and I will have to come forward.”The Pakistan team management was on Monday mulling several options for the crunch game against the Dutch. There is a big possibility that Pakiistan will reshuffle their batting order and Younis might opt to open the innings.

    The skipper indicated that opener Salman Butt could be dropped though he scored 28 against England because of his poor fielding.Promising all-rounder Fawad Alam may finally get his first outing of the tour as he is regarded as one of the team’s best fielders. A gutsy batsman, who can contribute as a left-arm spinner, Fawad can add variety to the Pakistan team that is yet to display the sort of performance that helped it reach the final of the inaugural World twenty in South Africa two years ago.

    The Dutch, meanwhile, were plotting Pakistan’s downfall in a bid to earn a surprise Super Eights spot from Group C. With England already in, the Dutch just need to avoid a big defeat against Pakistan to progress into the second round.

    Jeroen Smits, the Dutch captain, said on Monday that his boys were all set for Tuesday’s big game against Pakistan adding that they will go all out to win it and top Group B. With in-form players like left-arm fast bowler Dirk Nannes and big-hitting all-rounder Ryan ten Doeschate in his side, Smits declared that the Netherlands are capable of producing yet another upset in the event after shocking the hosts on the opening day of the tournament.

  475. #475 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 11:51 PM

    Aamir Churail is the most arrogant players Pakistan has ever produced, not even Sarfaraz Nawaz but, Aamir Sohail. He is a cross between a Girgit and a Snake.

    I agree with khansahab that if he takes over as the chief selector then, RAHEE SAHEE CRICKET BHEE GAYEE.

    His arrogance in Bangalore is still remembered by many i.e., how he ordered Venkatesh Prasad to go and fetch the ball from the boundary after hitting it for a four and then the next ball he was clean bowled by Prasad. But, Aamir Sohail never learnt his lesson. In that very match Wasim Akram reportedly took 14 million rupees from the bookies to step down and declare a last minute injury…. “chest muscle pulled.”

    It was Aamir Sohail who said, he heard the discussion of Akram with the bookie and will testify in front of the court and he kept saying this for months. And, when he went in front of the judge he denied by saying he has no knowledge and he never heard anything or anyone talking to Wasim Akram.

    These guys have the audacity and cheekiness to come forward today to take the posts of Chief Selectors and Expert Commentators? Both are lousy commentators and hopeless, characterless human beings. They should be banned from any cricket activities, not even in the commentary box.

  476. #476 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 8, 2009 - 11:59 PM

    Hey Pawan;

    You are right about Younus Khan that: “Win or lose, if one gives his absolute best, then it shouldn’t bother oneself leave alone others. By adopting this “carefree” attitude, he is looking like a coward, running away from the situation and not giving himself,” the problem is Younus Khan just scored 46 not out in this match and prior that his T20 stats are pathetic and being a Captain this 46 runs not out has no bearing if you are unable to select the right team, take the right decision to bat or field first, apply pressure on opposition by aggressive fielding and aggressive batting, he does nothing except showing off his 32C.

    To be honest, Pathan or no Pathan I don’t give a tosh about who he is, if Afridi becomes the captain and if he behaves like Younus Khan, I will be the first one to give him shit and ask him to step down. Right now Younus Khan is a disgrace to the Pakistan team.

    Theossa thinks that off-the-field behaviour has nothing to do with his personality, wow what a comment? It does, especially when you are the captain of the team. Right now no one cares about Malik because he is not the captain and he is not representing the nation as the captain of the team. If he plays well he will be called for expressing his comments but, a captain has to give reasons for the defeat. Ricky Ponting today was looking sad and felt bad for the defeat and Younus was laughing so much that he was slurping and drooling like an idiot.

  477. #477 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 12:20 AM


    Sri Lanka has TWO BIG TIME CHUCKERS……… Murali and Malinga.

    Malinga was throwing the ball like a stone. Today, they showed him from a different angle during the replays and that confirms my belief even more that he throws.

    The normal camera focuses the bowler from above and behind him, but during the replays they showed him from the side, his right side and also not from a height but a decent flat level and you can see the kinda jerk he gives is very, very clear from that angle. I will call it a no-ball anytime.

    As regards Murali, when the reporters said his doosra is questionable, Bhishen Singh Bedi said, “Doosra Chorro, Uska Pehla hee Sahee nahee hai.” He is so darn right.

  478. #478 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 12:39 AM

    Omer that’s what I thought 50 odd runs and in 14 overs, but I have no clue what method the ICC will use?

    The points table is:

    Net RR Runs For Runs Against
    England +1.175 347/40.0 300/40.0
    Netherlands +0.050 163/20.0 162/20.0
    Pakistan -2.400 137/20.0 185/20.0

    Based on the runs for and against the diference is 26 and 23 and the average or mean comes to 24.5 and that is why Samiuddin is saying it should be a difference of 25 runs.

    # 25 – The least number of runs Pakistan must win by if they bat first to go through to the Super Eights.
    Osman Samiuddin, cricinfo.

  479. #479 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 12:46 AM

    Today’s headlines


    Tomorrow’s headlines:


  480. #480 by Q on June 9, 2009 - 1:26 AM

    Net run rate calculation is simple guys.

    Its (runs scored divided by overs faced) – (runs given divided by overs bowled).

    So say Pakistan beat Netherlands by 25 runs, then Pakistan’s net run rate becomes:

    (-48+25)/20 = -23/20

    And Netherland’s:

    (+1-25) = -24/20

    Hence Pakistan’s is better.

    If Pakistan win by 24 runs it will be the other way round..

    So 25 is the cut off.

    Chasing the formula is a lot more complicated to explain but it comes to 17 overs.

    Javed Sahab the reason most people thought its 50 and 14 overs is because the decrease in Netherlands run rate is not accounted for..

    Pakistan have to increase their net run rate, but in the process Netherlands’ will decrease as well.. so the point where it comes equal is half way of 50, i.e. 25.

  481. #481 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 9, 2009 - 1:31 AM

    At last, some one has the honour, dignity and self-respect to resign rather than continue the “yes sir, yes boss” attitude the “Axis of Evil*” were expecting/demanding from him.

    I salute Abdul Qadir, one of the greatest cricketer Pakistan has produced.

    * Ijaz Butt + Sailm Altaf + Intikhab Alam.

    I suppose it is time for Pakistan Team to start singing that classical song by Ibn Insha, ” Inshajee utho, Ab kooch karo.”

    Justice demands the team deserve it, but our emotions wishes oherwise.

  482. #482 by Pawan on June 9, 2009 - 1:38 AM


    You are forgetting, this is a T20 game and anything can happen. I would say Pakistan can even go on and win the world cup, if some of the guys put their hands up and play classic game in crunch situations. Tomorrow they are inducing new blood in the form of Alam and if he plays some of the innings of his life, then who knows what will happen. A few good innings can inspire the whole team and elevate to a completely different level.

    Take for example, West Indies, well, no one apart from Younus gave them a chance to even reach the next round leave alone getting to the semi finals and going on to win the cup. But one innings from Gayle and they look stunning already. Jerome Taylor was all charged up, non-plussed by the Aussie score of 160 something. Edwards, always the bomb-shell. Then they have the classic Sarwan and Chanderpaul to finish off games and get those measured-in-gold runs at crucial times. Not to forget the Stanford super T20 specialists Fletcher and Marshall. Looks like now they have got everything sorted out. But thats just because of one innings from Gayle. Everything looks in place. A few days back the nation was mourning over the death of test cricket and now they are rejoicing under the same flamboyant talent. Its just a matter of one win, one emphatic win.

    England for that matter were all lost and totally demorlaized when they lost to Netherlands. Imagine the situation in dressing room after you loose such a game and are on the verge of getting knocked out of the torunament being played in your home country and imagine the trauma of the players who know that they have to face the nasty English press if they are out. But one innings from KP and they are back and roaring.

    Australia, supposed to be regaining their lost confidence and doing excellent in the warm up games by winning them comprehensively are now knocked out. Ponting, I bet is still in shock.

    So fickle, so unpredictable is this game, the T20, that its virtually impossible to predict who is going to win.

    So hold you horses…

    You never know…

  483. #483 by Varun Suri on June 9, 2009 - 5:19 AM

    Time has come for Younus Khan to stand upto the challenge Pakistan is facing to go into Super Sixes Round. He has to lead from the front and change his style of captaincy.

    If he cannot try out any of the new players like Fawad Alam et al. then he should atleast make some changes in the Batting and the Bowling order, maybe bring Afridi up the order to open and start with Mohammed Aamir or Ajmal to spring up a surprise.

    As we saw couple of days back and like Javed and others have noted here the Dutch are essentially big hitters so it’s best to keep your fastest bowler (GUl) for a little while later after your slow bowlers have managed to get few wickets at the top of the order.

    I only wish if these people (Dutch) knew what their Team is upto so that we could have had Big Screens on the main Square or something like that. I don’t think that the Dutch will be able to beat Pakistan but whether Pakistan will be able to do enough to qualify for the next round is anybody’s guess.

    No matter what your loyalties are but everyone is on the same side when there is Australia bashing going on. The decision to leave out Symonds maybe will come back to haunt them but it is always a pleasure to see a losing Ponting!

    On the current form i would bet my money on SA as all other teams are a bit inconsistent.
    I am not sure about India as well this time as Sehwag is yet to play a game and just like Pakistan Bowling is not as strong as it was in the last World Cup. As regards the rumours of a rift between Dhoni-Sehwag as JAVED had asked me I am not sure what exactly happened, infact all the team members came out for a group photo session just before the first game to express solidariy and just-like. Apparently Dhoni was not too pleased with Sehwag’s carefree attitude and ticked him for his lack of professionalism.

    Post retirement a Cricketer has a lot of Career Options ranging from Commentary to Coaching e.t.c but i am sure Hamar DHONIYAA has all the attributes to become a Politison/Mantriji once he retires!!

  484. #484 by Awas on June 9, 2009 - 7:56 AM

    I don’t think Afridi should open at all. On what basis? He hasn’t scored any runs at all in the last few games.

    Before he has been out on first balls so it was difficult to see what he was doing or could do. In the last match however he faced a few balls to judge how his form was like. Completely clueless and out of touch on every ball he faced. At least three airy shots landed in no-mans land and he could have been out there anytime. At his current form he should only be considered as a bowler only.

    How he is supposed to bat is like Yuvraj and Chris Gayle are batting right now but that ability seems to have left him and it was amply expressed by Ian Chappell when he was batting.


    ICC rules are simply crass on deciding what degree of elbow bending should be allowed when bowling, something that is impossible to measure on the field. What does it matter whether its 15 degrees or 20? As long as a ball is over arm then to a naked eye it looks perfectly normal. What doesn’t however look normal is what that Malinga the Slinga bowls. To a novice like me “this is not cricket”.

  485. #485 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 8:44 AM

    Today’s headlines:

    Pakistan Beaten, and …

    Younis Khan … AMUSED.

    Fawad Alam … REFUSED.

    Misbah-ul-Haq … MISUSED.

    Shahid Afridi … ACCUSED.

    Pakistani Fans … CONFUSED.

    P. C. B. … FUSED.

    Intikhab Alam … BEMUSED.

    Ijaz ‘moti’ Butt … ABUSED.

    Captain & Team Management … Needs to be FCUKUSED.

    PS: Sorry guys, I am feeling down !!

  486. #486 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 8:50 AM

    I fully agree with M. Y. Kasim Sahab on Abdul Qadir issue, it sure is rare in our part of the world when someone owns the problem.

    Remember sometime back a Senator asked Ijaz Butt to resign and he refused “Beyghairatily”.

    So we have to respect Qadir for what he did.

  487. #487 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 9:11 AM

    LS Administrator … Please publish this new comment, and ignore the earlier similar one.

    Awas …

    And why shouldn’t Pakistanis be allowed to smile?

    I never knew there was a ban on Pakistanis smiling.

    Bhai Sahab, Pakistanis are most welcome to smile and laugh as much as they want, in fact this is the only thing we are good at, aren’t we? But I have a problem with someone laughing after a humiliating defeat not once but thrice. This is like Khansahab smiling right after loosing a court case, or you laughing after finding a fraud in accounts, or me smiling after my bank terminates me. How good is that for smiling/ laughing ??

    So you see, it’s not the ‘smiles’, it’s the timings and attitude that I am against.

    And trust you me, WE ALL won’t be smiling much after today’s game also 😦

    Theossa …

    We have time zone differences and so I missed the fun last night. BTW, the ‘massage’ in Turkey was not bad though 😉

    On my above comment, Today I was with a friend, and he was saying that what Younis is displaying by smiling and laughing like stupids, is totally not Pakistani or Pathan behaviour, after loosing so many games and such humiliations, he should have committed suicide.

    You missed a point here, this actually is not my thought process and rather that of a friend who himself is also pure Pathan and actually that friend of mine said much more then what I had written, but I avoided that not to hurt the Younis Khan’s die-hard fans. In reality; this is how most of the passionate Pakistani cricket fans think (have a look at our previous blog), but then there are a few ‘chilled-out’ and ‘cool-dudes’ Pakistani fans, who think that loosing is our birthright and so it’s OK.

    You said, What Younis’s laughter or smiles have to do with on field performance? Are you judging him as a person or as a cricketer? There are lots and lots of Pushtoons and Pakistanis doing the things in Pakistan that no one can be proud of, again what that has to do with discussion over cricket?

    Well, well, firstly, the thing is I am actually judging Younis Khan as a person and a leader more then as a cricketer. He is no ordinary cricketer in the team who is responsible only for his own performance, but he is the Captain and the Leader, whose job is to oversee the team performance and to select, manage, control, motivate, etc. all the team members and achieve a desired result. Secondly, I think Younis’s unwarranted and needless laughter and smiles have to do a lot with the other player’s overall attitude and thus performance as a unit. This was also pointed out by Javed Khan that now that Shoaib Malik is no more a Captain of Pakistan, we are not much bothered about how he conducts himself and all we want from him is a good individual performance, but unfortunately, this can not be said about Younis and his personal score of 48 runs is not enough, NO SIR, IT IS NOT. Thirdly, I am not worried what lots and lots of other Pushtoons and Pakistanis are doing and this surely does not relate to our discussion on cricket, but Younis is NOT a ‘so-and-so’ Pakistani, plus he is Captain of our National Cricket Team, so what all he does and is doing, bothers me A LOT and this definitely have to do with our discussion over cricket here.

    Finally, about Pathan behavior, I would say that there are always a few characteristics which go with a certain category of peoples, like we say that Memons are business-minded, Sindhis are shrewd and calculative, so on and so forth. You may call this a stereotype or whatever, but it is a fact. Similarly Pathans are well-known for being proud, passionate, aggressive, and zealous peoples. Now this is does not mean that it is a cent-per-cent applicable rule and there sure are exceptions and Younis Khan is one of them, as he is neither proud and passionate nor aggressive and zealous 😦

  488. #488 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 9:16 AM

    Younis, the great, Khan

    What they said …

    Younis Khan, Pakistan’s captain, after the England loss.

    “It would be sad if we don’t make it, but I have never attached too much importance to Twenty20 cricket, as it is fun cricket. I mean it is more for entertainment, even if it is international cricket. It is all for the crowd.”

    Excepts from Kamran Abbasi’s article “Rubbish Pakistan make England look good” …

    Pakistan not only lost to England but they also demoralized their supporters today.

    The major problem for Pakistan supporters is that their team hasn’t even come close to winning any of the warm-up matches or the opening encounter against the hosts.

    Pakistan, in truth, have looked below par in every department, with the biggest concerns around the fielding and batting.

    A lack of ability could be excused but a lack of competitiveness cannot.

    Pakistan’s team has given the appearance of taking this whole tournament too lightly, which is a shock as this is Pakistan’s opportunity to remind that world that it is a cricketing power that should not be ignored. On these performances, Pakistan can be easily ignored.

    Younis Khan described the tournament as “fun” and something not to be taken too seriously as its main role is to entertain supporters. The miserable expressions of thousands of Pakistan fans in the stadium would beg to differ.

    These supporters have been brought up on the bravado of Imran Khan, Javed Miandad, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, and Inzamam-ul Haq. The current approach of the Pakistan squad and its entourage is an insult to its millions of supporters and their heroic predecessors.

    After all, this is a World Cup.

    Supporters pay to watch at the stadium, via satellite, and on the Internet. They want to see their team win. If not win, they want to see their team battle. Fun comes a poor third in the hierarchy.

    Excepts from Kamran Abbasi’s article “I am missing the BadshahsRubbish Pakistan make England look good” …

    Pakistan faces a desperate, nerve-tingling struggle to beat Netherlands, a team of part-time cricketers, and progress in this World Cup. But victory will not be enough unless it is by a sufficient margin to ensure that Pakistan’s net run-rate is superior to Netherlands.

    A washout—and rain is threatened at Lord’s—will mean that Pakistan will be eliminated.

    Pakistan’s preparations have looked lazy and their match performances have lacked sharpness.

    Off the field, the Pakistan camp has been prone to public gaffes. First, Intikhab Alam raised eyebrows when he stated he was “unconcerned” about defeat to India.

    This was followed by Younis Khan’s silly claim after the England match that he only thought of World Cup Twenty20 cricket as “fun” even if it was international cricket.

    In Younis’s defence he was visibly shaken by defeat, and in between his smiles and his easy-going attitude, he was clearly disappointed by the performance of his senior colleagues, namely Shahid Afridi, Salman Butt, and Kamran Akmal.

    He has promised that there will be changes for today’s match and that the senior players will be asked to take greater responsibility, which includes a move up the batting order.

    Indeed, one of the perplexing decisions at The Oval was the sight of Misbah-ul Haq, Pakistan’s Twenty20 miracle worker, striding to the crease once the game was all but lost.

    In addition, Yasir Arafat looks a poor choice to open the bowling, often pitching too full and allowing the batsman to clear the infield.

    Unfortunately, Pakistan’s performances up to now have made their supporters concerned about the team’s attitude, and a tournament that could have been fun has begun miserably.

    The question now is whether or not the Pakistan captain and management can motivate the players to qualify for the easier half of the Super Eights draw?

    Whatever the result today, a drastic overhaul is required.

    If Pakistan cricket were run properly, would the Twenty20 team be without Imran Nazir, Abdul Razzaq, and even possibly Shoaib Akhtar, warts and all?

    The Badshahs and Badmashes have been sorely missed.

    Andrew Miller, UK Editor for Crininfo:

    Younis’s attitude might also be taken as a self-righteous response to the hype of the IPL, from which Pakistan’s players were of course barred this year due to their country’s deteriorating relationship with India. Whatever the reasons for going against the global trend of taking Twenty20 deadly seriously, England would do well to take heed of Pakistan’s irreverence.

    Pawan our LS guy, said: (and I respect was he has to say as a “neutral”) …

    Younus simply has to lead from front here and completely banish his happy-go-lucky attitude as it is starting to sound really stupid. Sometimes people do want to see the lighter side of things just to take that pressure off, and may be Younus is indeed taking captaincy that way because I remember him rejecting the offer of captaincy after the 2007 world-cup loss by reasoning out that leading a Pakistani team is a very pressure-cooker kind of situation. I think the way he is handling things would make him pressure-free, but at the same time he won’t be able to give his passionate best for his country. Win or lose, if one gives his absolute best, then it shouldn’t bother oneself leave alone others. By adopting this “carefree” attitude, he is looking like a coward, running away from the situation and not giving himself, the Younus Khan, his best chance, to have a go at it. To be really carefree, he has to take chances, be serious and face it. Even if he fails he can always say “God knows, I tried”.


  489. #489 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 9:19 AM

    My Turkey trip was bad ….

    As you can see from my comments 😉

  490. #490 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 9:24 AM

    The extent of politics in the Pakistan team

    Inti Alam has said in the following article that Fawad will be played BECAUSE Yasir Arafat is suffering from a hamstring.

    They would have still ignored him if Yasir Arafat was fit.–15

  491. #491 by Awas on June 9, 2009 - 9:42 AM

    They would have still ignored him [Fawad] if Yasir Arafat was fit”

    khansahab, isn’t that exactly the line they have been towing and giving the impression all along that Fawad will only play if someone else is injured.

    So, besides the politics, they were at least consistent in what they were saying and doing.


    It’s raining at the moment but expected to improve around playtime. So, my trip may not be a complete waste of time.


    You are putting all blame on Younus. Remember there are 11 players in the team and it’s a team game.

    I wonder what the shrink did. Things seem to have got worse after his treatment. Must be a Neem-Hakeem!

  492. #492 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 10:18 AM

    Awas …

    I am blaming them all, but being the leader Younis has to ‘lead’ the blame list.

    However, as I said before, I am not blaming him for his performance but more the ATTITUDE.

    LOL @ shrink/ Neem-Hakeem !!

    Enjoy the game and keep your prayers handy … If we loose today, you can’t imagine what I am gonna do with ‘your hero’ Younis 😆

  493. #493 by Awas on June 9, 2009 - 10:54 AM


    Hey, watch out…he is the best in the team right now 🙂

  494. #494 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 11:17 AM

    Best player … may be,

    but, worst Captain … for SURE 😀

  495. #495 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 11:44 AM

    Pakistan’s problems ‘self-inflicted’ – Imran Khan

    Former Pakistan captain Imran Khan believes that Pakistan’s problems at the World Twenty20 were ‘self-inflicted’. In his column in Hindustan Times, Imran questioned the team selection and the batting order employed by Pakistan in their defeat against England.

    Left-arm seamer Sohail Tanvir, the star of last year’s IPL, was left out of the team against England, a move which left Imran puzzled. “I was surprised that they (Pakistan) decided to go without Sohail Tanvir on the grounds of him being off-colour in the warm-up games. Tanvir is a proven performer, and the purpose of warm-up games is to make off-colour bowlers get back into rhythm. He would have been hard to put away in overcast conditions, with his nippy pace and unusual action,” he wrote.

    Imran also criticized the decision to send Misbah-Ul-Haq in at No. 7 when the right-hander did not have enough overs left to force a win. “I do not subscribe to the theory of holding back your best batsmen since it is always easier to avert a batting crisis rather than to bat in a crisis,” he wrote.

    The former captain also termed Shahid Afridi “very poor with the bat of late”, rating him more effective as a bowler.

    Imran expected Pakistan to win against Netherlands by a convincing margin to progress to the next stage, but said Younis Khan should “ensure that his best strikers get the maximum balls to face” if they made it to the Super-Eights.

  496. #496 by Awas on June 9, 2009 - 11:54 AM


    I have just checked, apparently in warm up matches Netherlands had lost by 64 runs against Bangladesh and by 90 runs against NZ.

    So, have they had their moment of glory against England or is there more to come?

    If they lose by 24 runs or so, its still victory for Netherlands.

  497. #497 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 11:56 AM


    Good point. But only a team like Pakistan can provide them with another moment of glory. There is a 50% chance of Pakistan’s victory in this match, in my view. No more, no less.

  498. #498 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 12:44 PM



    Fawad Alam is in.

  499. #499 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 12:47 PM

    They are doing well so far, CAN THEY DO IT TODAY?

    Even the Nikki Butt is on fire.
    Pakistan is good against teams like Netherlands, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Canada etc.

    Fawad Alam is in the side, but will he get to bat? After the 4th over Pakistan are on 34/0

  500. #500 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 1:26 PM

    They have slowed the tempo, Malik and Younis and now Misbah, there is no boundry for 30 balls 😦

  501. #501 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 1:30 PM

    Yeah, this is exactly what I was about to write that first boundary after 30 balls, it is Malik and Younus again slowed down the tempo and Younus Khan can’t hit a boundary, just playing a test match.

    His comments have been aired and now everyone is making fun of him. What Younus Khan doesn’t realize is this time they need to score more than 180 and get them out under 160, he is least bothered and playing singles.

  502. #502 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 1:34 PM

    Dirk Nannes bowled the fastest delivery of the tournament 92.6 mph, faster than Brett Lee, Styen and Jeromy Taylor. In his 3rd over he gave only 5 runs.

    Pakistan needs a few big overs and they are struggling again. Commentators raving and ranting that Younus should play big shots, but he hasn’t in his bag. Come on hit YOUNUs HIT.

  503. #503 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 1:57 PM

    Good innings by Younis and Misbah.

    Malik played very slow.

    Fawad only played 2 balls and he played them well. I have no doubt he can replace Malik at the least. Pakistan needs to stop playing politics and select people on merit.

  504. #504 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 1:58 PM

    Can they bowl the Dutch out under 150?

    It all depends on Gul, Afridi and Ajmal.

    Younus ko ghairat dilayee tou 2 chakkay maaray uss nay.

    Anyways, this is NOT a good performance from the Pakistanis, they should have scored 200 plus. Batsmen did nothing spectacular, its up to the bowlers now to get their team out of trouble. Its a long and hard way yet it is possible for the Netherlands to score 150 as they have done that against England. Had Younus Khan thought about scoring 12-15 runs extra against England in the last 2 overs instead of letting Gul to play till the end, the pressure would have been less today.

  505. #505 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 2:00 PM

    Innings break at Pakistan on 175.

    I think this is not enough, and if Malik, Younis and Misbah played a bit fast, we could have reached beyond 200, which was possible against a minnow.

    But, Younis said in the pre-match chat that they are looking for 180, and Salman Butt said during the game that we aimed 180 before the game but since the wicket is difficult around 180 should be ok.

    Let’s see now …………

  506. #506 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 2:02 PM

    Munir sahab

    Younis and Misbah redeemed themselves in the end but Malik was the culprit. I think Tanvir can bat better than Malik if Malik will bat like this. Fawad should replace Malik asap.

  507. #507 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 2:03 PM

    khansahab the equation is now 50/50 as you have said and I would say that even if the Netherlands lose this match, they will still be in Super8 because they will score more than 150 runs.

    You can’t expect any miracle from Fawad Alam or from Afridi, if Younus and Malik slowed the innings in the middle. 30 balls and no boundary in the middle? That happened when Kamran Akmal left.

    Malik was lucky to have survived after Nannes dropped his sitter and he seems to be off-colour in this tournament. He hit only 2 fours in his innings.

  508. #508 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 2:05 PM

    We are still very much in trouble and not out of it.

    Malik was too slow and so was Younis. If we remove last two sixes then Younis scored 24 runs on 17 balls, too slow for sure, but he ended with 36 runs on 20 balls which looks ok.

    Hope Awas can pull us out of this 😉

  509. #509 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 2:06 PM

    khansahab, when Malik was playing Younus was also there on the crease and he should have talked to Malik to go for big hits, but himself he was taking singles could not tell him. So, it also is his responsibility, you can’t say redeemed later….. there is nothing called “later” in this format.

  510. #510 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 2:07 PM

    When Malik and Younis were batting, there was not boundry for 30 balls (yes, five full overs), not a single boundry.

    This makes a difference …

  511. #511 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    Yes Malik hit only two fours and that too in the first 3/4 balls he faced, but after that he never hit any further boundry.

    Malik seems to have a different agenda, a bad one.

  512. #512 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 2:22 PM

    Wasim Akram’s bias can be seen from this:

    Fawad quickly ran in to stop a single and managed to have a throw at the stumps. It was a decent effort and the crowd acknowledged it. Wasim said, “Fawad can’t give runs like this”. I was like, WTF?

    And then Malik misjudged what could have been a sitter and Wasim said, “Good effort”.

  513. #513 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 3:33 PM

    Akmal was brilliant in the field and I think his MOM award is justified. He batted well and gave Pakistan a good platform.

    Afridi in form after a while and that sixer off Nannes did him good. Maybe he should have been joint MOM with Akmal? He set the momentum for Pakistan when he took his first wicket on his first ball.

    Terrible and largely biased commentary by Wasim Akram.

    Shoaib Malik had a bad game, played defensively and then misjudged a simple catch. His body language and selfish batting should be tolerated no more and he should be dropped.

  514. #514 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 3:40 PM

    Kamran Akmal said, I played well with MY SALMAN BUTT ahaha LOL…

    For the Dutch, English is more alien than it is for Pakistanis because of the British Raj. but their captain talked so comfortably and was responding correctly to the questions. Whereas, Younus Khan and Kamran Akmal were totally out of line and Jeremy had to stop asking Akmal after two questions i.e., he realized this guy doesn’t understand nothing.

    Anyways, it was great bowling by Shahid Afridi. But, more than that it was Akmal’s keeping today which was his best I guess, so he can fumble with words but not with balls 😉

    Pakistan goes into the group of Sri Lanka, Ireland and the only team that is left to be decided in joining Pakistan’s group is either New Zealand or SA. It depends on the result of today’s match between them. For Pakistan it would be easier if NZ comes into their group. They have a better record against Sri Lanka and New Zealand so even if they get beaten by one, they will not get beaten by the other. Whereas, against SA they have a poor record.

    So, lets see what happens next.

  515. #515 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 3:47 PM

    I think Pakistan needs to drop Butt and Ahmad Shahzad permanently from the T20 format. Especially BUTT, he dropped a catch again today and his batting didn’t last long. He played a lousy shot and got out. And, Shahzad should stay out for Fawad Alam.

    I asked this question before the match started. “Fawad Alam is in the team, but will he get a chance to bat?” Yeah 2 balls only.


    Wasim Akram is a choora.

  516. #516 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 3:54 PM

    The Dutch captain was ALL PRAISE for Afridi, not only in his post match speech, but also during the press conference he said, I told my boys to fear Afridi, still none of our top order batsmen were able to play him like professionals and he was the main difference.

    Tanvir is injured and its a pity that Pakistan were trying to hide him in the field whereas, the ball was chasing him wherever he went. Missed two near chances as he couldn’t move. But, worst was Salman Butt and Shoaib Malik.

    Malik was running to catch while the ball was ahead of him, on the contrary Afridi was in a better position to take that catch, but Malik called to leave it and in the end goofed it up. Anyways, ALL is WELL that ends WELL.

    Pakistan should learn from their mistakes and not repeat them in the Super8 format.

    breakfast time guys ………. (delayed breakfast ‘coz of match)

  517. #517 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 4:07 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Naashtay Mein Kia Pakkaaya Hai ?? 😉

    About the game …

    Well, whose your MAN, Whose Da-MAN ??
    Afridi is DA-MAN, Yes He CAN 😉

  518. #518 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 4:40 PM


    I had plenty of “Seekh Kebabs” as leftoves from Sunday’s BBQ, so the Nashta was Kebab, Parathay and omelet + Chai. Jealous? Well, don’t be because that’s my usual minus kebabs.

    And, yeah Afridi is Da Man today and if he continues to bowl like this with Ajmal, Pakistan definitely have an edge over others. But, Malik should not bowl in a tight situation, even today he gave away plenty of runs, and he is lucky to have got that solo wicket because Khatmal was at his best in sucking the Dutch blood. 😀

    Younus Khan’s post match press conference was far more ridiculous than his post match speech at the ground. He was once again repeating the same old words of “fun and entertainment” whereas, the journalists were having fun at his English language, and the nation despite this win was wondering what kinda dimwit dolt captain he is? He goofs up his comments more than Wasim and Waqar and makes no sense in his talking. He keeps negating what he said a minute ago on scoring big runs at brisk pace and then, he said, you don’t have to go for fours and sixes but, just be there and stay calm.

    In terms of speaking I think he is worst than Inzamam,

  519. #519 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 4:47 PM


    You said, “I am glad…..agree with me now”.

    I say, “I am agree”.

    I don’t fully agree with you on Malik because he has proven to be a useful player in some matches. However I am totally against this selfish batting in T20. And yes you are right his batting is selfish and Fawad should replace him.

    The problem is, he thinks he can score a good knock by playing like proper batsmen do- orthodox and taking measured risks. But he has not been groomed to be a like a proper orthodox batsman. He used to be a bowler and then he started playing well in T20, and then politics promoted him. In T20 he should not bat like a proper batsman, it is insulting the calibre of proper batsmen. In ODI’s he is OK because he scores 35 runs in 30 balls.

    I would still have him than Razzaq though. I would prefer someone who is a bits and pieces player with some consistency rather than someone who is an “all or nothing” player who performs in 1 in 10 matches. And if that all or nothing player also happens to be your worst fielder, then it’s a definite no-no.

  520. #520 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 4:58 PM

    Javed Khan …

    I sure am jeaIous for such a Naashta, who would not be, Theossa with his Tune ? 😛

    I guess my next trip will not be Turkey, but Canada 😀

  521. #521 by Mohammed Munir on June 9, 2009 - 5:02 PM

    Younis Khan’s Captaincy Blunders …

    If we had lost this game we all would have been sitting here talking about Younis Khan’s mistakes for his Captaincy, but since we won the game, so no one will point them out.

    I am neither a cricketing genius nor a strategist, but having watched the entire game from ball one, without a blink, I noticed the following blunders which Younis Khan made during this all important match. I would like to see the comments/ responses and some expert opinions on the points I am going to make below …

    – Tanvir Sohail: I agree Tanvir was injured and he was struggling with his bowling/ fielding. Would it not have been a good idea to let him complete his quota of 4 overs ASAP and leave the ground, so we could bring in a fit fielder rather then taking chances with an injured player ?? (Tanvir could have left even with 3 overs being bowled by him and comeback latter, if need be).

    – Shoaib Malik: When Younis was playing with Malik and he saw the run rate going down, since Younis was fresh on the field whereas Malik was well-settled but still Malik did not playing his shots. So in this situation, Younis as a Captain, should he not have told/ pushed Malik to accelerate the run rate ??

    – Batting Order: After the openers, we have three consecutive slow batsmen in Malik, Younis and Misbah who all need time to settle-down and then accelerate, while we have three natural stroke players or rather hard-hitters in Afridi, Fawad and Tanvir. Should Younis not have tried to bring in any of the hitters (Afridi, Fawad or Tanvir) in between the three slow batsmen at number 3, 4, or 5, to accelerate the score and improve the tempo in the middle overs ?? (something like a pinch-hitters).

    – Umer Gul: Umer bowled an ok 6th over giving 8 runs, why was he removed only after one over ?? Why do we always keep Umer for the last overs, can’t he be used as our main wicket-taking bowler earlier ?? Because, if we keep his overs till the end, there is not much left to do, as against England, the match was taken away from Pakistan by the time Gul came in to bowl his last 3 overs. Younis should have gone for the kill and played positively and aggressively by continuing with Gul for at least 1 or 2 more overs and kept his 1/ 2 overs for the end. I think if Younis would have continued with Umer and tried to take 1/ 2 wickets earlier, Netherlands would not have even reached 93 runs or 18th over of the match.

    – Pakistan scored 4 runs, 7 runs, 6 runs, 5 runs, 11 runs, and 5 runs in the overs numbers 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and 15 respectively, while they accelerated in the 16 over with 15 runs. Till the end they got only 5 wickets out, what was the need of saving 5 wickets till end and accelerating so late ?? With Younis being there in the middle along with Misbah, why did they not accelerated much before ??

    Please guys, do not misunderstand me for pointing out these, and I am NOT dead against Younis or anyone else, but still I would like to hear a fair assessment from greater cricketing brains like Javed, Awas, Omer, Khansahab, and etc. on these issues.

  522. #522 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 6:37 PM


    For the remainder of this Cup they should play Arafat as a batsman and Fawad in Malik’s position. They should replace Butt with Shahzaib Hasan because he will not waste balls and he will get out if they can’t play:


  523. #523 by Awas on June 9, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    What impressed me most at the ground was Fawad Alam’s fielding and him actively encouraging the players around him when he was fielding within the circle. He was later sent towards the boundary. After that when Butt dropped a sitter, I was furious and the good thing was that Fawad when he passed Butt he clapped towards him sarcastically. That was a good.

    Butt’s fielding was really poor except for one dolly catch that he finally held. He should be drooped.

    I knew Dutch would be clueless against our good spinners.

    The 175 was a pretty good score at this ground. It wasn’t easy to hit out and the bounce was uneven too. You can see in the second match that SA couldn’t surpass 130 and NZ are struggling too.

  524. #524 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 8:12 PM


    You are right and they are using player power to subdue Alam. In fact Malik as captain appeared more supportive of Alam than Younis.

    I know Afridi has backed Alam in the past, but even Afridi seems wary of Alam even though one is a bowler and the other, a batsman. Alam has played his best under Afridi so if anyone should know how good he is, it is Afridi. In any event Afridi does not have much say, especially under Younis.

    Today you saw he only played 2 balls and both were yorkers, but he played them very well. He is a good runner, he motivates teammates, he dives, throws well, and he is generally a nice guy. It is pathetic he is not in the team.

    I am agree about Misbah to an extent. The only 2 good teams he has played against (South Africa and Australia), he failed. Against Australia he played on a reasonably flat track and failed. He is OK, but he is not Yousuf’s replacement which he was meant to be.

    When Yousuf makes his comeback Fawad will find it impossible to play. I wonder what team they will play in the Tests against Sri Lanka? I would go with:

    S Khan
    Mohd Aamer

    Fast bowler 1
    Khurram Manzoor
    Shoaib Malik

  525. #525 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 8:27 PM

    A low scoring match and SA finally won it by one run. I think had Daniel Vittori played, things would have been different for NZ. If Taylor’s injury is serious then that is a blow to NZ’s batting line up in Super8.

    Anyways, after tomorrow’s two matches btwn West Indies and SL and then India vs. Ireland the group leaders will be known for sure. Based on my assumption that India will win against Ireland and Sri Lanka will win against WI, I have calculated the following table. This is based on the cricinfo table of TBC vs TBC…..

    June 11th SA vs. Ireland
    June 11th Pak vs. NZ
    June 12th Eng vs. WI
    June 12th Ind. vs. SL
    June 13th SL vs. NZ
    June 13th SA vs. Eng
    June 14th Ire vs. WI
    June 14th Ind. vs. Pak
    June 15th Pak vs. SL
    June 15th Eng vs Ire.
    June 16th SA vs. WI
    June 16th NZ vs. Ind.

    1st Semi final on 18th
    2nd Semi final on 19th
    Final on 21st.

  526. #526 by khansahab on June 9, 2009 - 8:30 PM


    Younis is protecting Malik. Today in the press conference he buttered Malik. Malik did nothing special today.

    He always gives Malik 2 overs as if Malik’s bowling makes any difference.

  527. #527 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 9, 2009 - 8:42 PM

    He always gives Malik 2 overs as if Malik’s bowling makes any difference.

    Yes, khansahab he does make the difference, he gave away 18 runs in 2 overs otherwise Netherlands would have been all out for 80.

    Wasim Akram

    The other day he was saying Neither land and today he was saying Nadir Land.

  528. #528 by Q on June 9, 2009 - 9:02 PM

    Javed sahab, it doesn’t matter who tops the groups.. the super 8 pools are pre-decided based on seedings from the previous 20-20 world cup…

    Even though Pakistan ended 2nd in their group they qualify as B1 and England as B2 cos of their seedings..

    India qualify as A1 irrespective of if they lose or win tomorrow. Ireland as A2.

    West Indies as C1 because they replace Australia who were C1, an Sri Lanka as C2.

    New Zealand as D1 and South Africa as D2.

    NZ are D1 cos they ended 4th in 2007 WC and SA ended 5th.

    The super 8 pools are:

    Group E: India, South Africa, West Indies, England

    Group F: Pakistan, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Ireland

    These were decided yesterday almost with only 1 spot left to be decided between Pak and NTL.

  529. #529 by Awas on June 9, 2009 - 10:59 PM


    “It is just that Younis feels bad dropping a “senior” player to play Alam”.

    Seems very logical what you say and I agree that that seems to be the case to me as well.

  530. #530 by Salman Khan on June 10, 2009 - 1:22 AM

    Well done Pakistan. Actually I should say well bowled Pakistan, especially Afridi and Ajmal. Batting was OK without being destructive and the fielding was shoddy.Akmal kept well for a change although he dropped Nannes’ catch (which he was quick enough to convert into a stumping).I did not see Butt’s batting but he surely looks bemused on the field.Better fielding from Pakistan would have resulted in a much bigger victory.

    Waseem Akram’s commentary is a blot on such a great career. Forget about the accent etc , even the content is disappointing.

  531. #531 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 1:57 AM


    Thanks for that info. I was under the impression that Group A number one is A1 and number two as A2, but I was wrong. Honestly I had no clue about how they grade the groupings i.e., by taking into consideration of the previous 20/20 WC standings.

    So, Nasir Hussain was right that Sri Lanka will have a very easy round if Netherlands qualify for Super8 (he said this a day before Pakistan / Netherlands match) Now, Sri Lanka may not have that easy run because, against Pakistan (except for the previous T20 in Karachi) their overall ODI record is not that good. In other words Pakistan will not be a piece of cake for them as Netherlands would have been.

  532. #532 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 2:07 AM

    Salman Khan

    Welcome back, its good to read your comments. Butt batted slightly faster than his usual pace but his fielding is pathetic, in every match he drops a catch or two and his fielding is very shoddy. Ajmal’s fielding is also very shoddy but at least he compensates with his bowling.

    Wasim Akram needs a DNS surgery (will you get one ENT surgeon for him in Australia?) on top of his eternal blocked nose, he gets so carried away. Today he was saying his hands and feet are cold. And when Mohammad Aamir bowled at almost 90 mph he was saying this lad is very fast he bowls at 90 kilo meters per hour…….. I hope he knows the difference between kmph and mph?

  533. #533 by Pawan on June 10, 2009 - 2:31 AM

    Good win by Pakistan!
    Congratulations folks.

  534. #534 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 2:43 AM

    “Sank You” Pawan 🙂

    Hope to play against India in the semi-final.

  535. #535 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 3:09 AM


    has been ruled out of the ICC World Twenty20 in England after failing to recover from a shoulder injury he sustained during the IPL in South Africa.

    Rohit Sharma is in such a good form that Sehwag’s absence may not be felt. But, India took advantage of it by calling his replacement in Dinesh Karthik. There is a backup wicketkeeper now and he is a good batsman too.

    Although, the rift between Dhoni and Sehwag has not been cleared and what I wrote a few days ago about my friend telling me that he saw some news flash on NDTV claiming a rift between Dhoni and Sehwag. Here is the cricinfo link, in which the news on this subject is in some detail.

  536. #536 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 3:15 AM

    The brothers in the T20 ICC WC

    The Pathans

    The Morkels

    The O’ Briens

    The McCullums

    The Husseys

    Btw, in test matches three brothers played once and they are from two countries, Pakistan and Australia.

    Hanif, Mushtaq and Sadiq

    Ian, Greg and Trevor Chappel

  537. #537 by Mohammed Munir on June 10, 2009 - 8:31 AM


    Dhoni Sends Veeru Packing … Karthik to replace Sehwag

    Here is the Cricinfo link:

    Captain Cool loses it

    Dhoni Wags Sehwags

  538. #538 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 9:16 AM

    Latest on Cricinfo about Afridi:

    3. Which position do you like to bat in the most? Opener, No. 3, or middle and lower-middle order? asked Koushik from the USA
    In the subcontinent I prefer to open, and outside, be No. 6. That is because it is easy to hit the new ball early on, as it loses its shine just after a few overs in the subcontinent. That is not the case overseas, where it becomes difficult for my style of power hitting.

    So, as I said earlier in my comment 462, perhaps he himself doesn’t wish to open. He also said he is mainly a bowler.

  539. #539 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 9:57 AM

    More dumbness from Younis Khan’s press conference:

    He was asked how he felt now after winning against Netherlands.

    He said, “Yaa….it’s good actually…..T20 is like WWF, haha”.

    “WWF” became “WWE” years ago. Now WWF is the environmental organisation. Also, WWE matches are scripted and fixed. T20 is far from that. Or we would hope.

    Younis also praised Malik’s batting and said,

    “Yaa like Malik take single and double……it is a good technique……T20 is not all about fours and sixes”.

    Younis said about Fawad Alam:

    “Yaa like Fawad Alam is also a bowl” (Meaning, he can also bowl).

    And then Kamran Akmal was asked what his plans are for the rest of the Cup and he said,

    “Yaa next I am play Super 8″.

    Younis was asked about Qadir and whether he had any problems with Qadir:

    “It will be good if you question this ANSWER to Abdul Qadir……how can there be prab-lem? He is in Pakistan and I am in UK? I don’t taalk to him and I don’t speak to him how can there be prab-lem?” (He meant to say, it’s good if you ask this question to Abdul Qadir).

    Kamran Akmal was asked about his batting. He said,

    “I am very happy…..I am work very hard…….and wick-at keeping??? I am also work very hard”.

  540. #540 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 9:59 AM

    Pak to seek replacement for injured Yasir Arafat

    Karachi, June 10: With Pakistan advancing to the Super Eight stage of the ICC World Twenty20, the team management in England has decided to seek a replacement for injured pace bowler Yasir Arafat.

    Pakistan team manager Yawar Saeed said that Yasir had pulled his hamstring and had been advised rest for 12 days.

    “We will have to seek a replacement player for Yasir while Sohail Tanvir is also struggling with a leg injury,” he said.

    Pakistan`s pace options in the reserve players that they named for the World Cup are limited with Rao Iftikhar already having replaced Shoaib Akhtar.

    “The only option they have available is Wahab Riaz who has been picked in the Pakistan A team for Australia but since the team is not due to leave before June 22, he can join the side in England if needed,” a board official said.

    Tanvir played in yesterday`s match against the Netherlands and bowled three overs but appeared to be limping and also struggled with his fielding.

  541. #541 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 10:02 AM

    Wasim wants fresh faces in selection committee

    LONDON: Wasim Akram is sick and tired of seeing retired old men at the helm of Pakistan cricket. The legendary fast bowler is convinced that its time the younger generation is allowed to come forward in a bid to bring the sport back on track in the country, writes Khalid Hussain.

    The former Pakistan captain believes that the change of guard could start with the appointment of a “youngish” chief selector in place of Abdul Qadir, who has recently resigned from the position.

    “What Pakistan need is the involvement of younger men, people in their thirties or forties who have played cricket in the modern era because they are the ones who will have the capability of make things right for the game,” Akram told ‘The News’ at Lord’s on Tuesday.

    Without criticising Qadir, Akram said that the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) should appoint a chief selector from his (Akram’s) age bracket.
    “It’s important for Pakistan cricket that the chief selector is a younger guy, who has extensive knowledge of modern day cricket. He should be fully aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the local cricketers with complete knowledge of players from rival teams.

    “Selecting a balanced team is no child’s play and only a good professional can do the job,” he stressed.

    It is rumoured that former Pakistan captain Aamer Sohail is likely to take over as chief selector.
    Akram also suggested that players like Moin Khan, who are actively involved in domestic cricket, can be ideal candidates for the job. Akram, however, ruled himself out of taking the job because of his commitments as a television commentator but offered his services as an advisor.

    “I’m always ready to do my bit for Pakistan cricket,” he said. “People say that I’m never around to help our cricketers. But the problem is that the people running our cricket never ask for my help. I can’t force myself on them.”

    Akram, who played 104 Tests and 356 One-day Internationals before retiring in 2003, said that the PCB doesn’t have to appoint a paid chief selector. “In fact it will be better to have a chief selector, who already has a job because such a person will perform the job without being under pressure.

    “A paid official will always be worrying about retaining his job and at that times that can be a handicap.”

    The former Test pacer had picked Pakistan as his favourite team to win the World Twenty20 title but is disappointed at the way Younis Khan’s men have performed so far in the tournament.

    “I’m actually quite surprised at the way Pakistan have played here so far,” said Akram. “I mean, they had an easy group and should have reached the Super Eights without many problems.”

    Pakistan were facing an early elimination from the World Twenty20 after crashing to a big defeat against hosts England on Sunday at The Oval.

  542. #542 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 10:10 AM


    Less the Pakistani team players speak the better and that practically includes all of them 🙂

    Bloopers by team players and commentators funny though they may be but let’s not make it sound like a witch hunt against their inefficiencies apart from cricket and because of their handicap in English. khansahab, its not a personal criticism directed at you at all but just a general comment. I think they would be better off to give interviews in Urdu.

  543. #543 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 10:12 AM

    ‘I consider myself a bowler first’

    1. Who is the most difficult bowler you ever faced? asked Fezzan from Sri Lanka
    When it comes to the new ball, it was Glenn McGrath, while with the spinners it is Muttiah Muralitharan. McGrath was obviously due to his accuracy, whereas Murali is a very difficult opponent, especially on subcontinent pitches, where he gets a lot of turn. So you have to keep a close watch on the ball. I’ve hit him for quite a few sixes, but it is never easy.

    2. Usually most Pakistani allrounders start as bowling allrounders and gradually become batting allrounders (e.g. Shoaib Malik). But you started as a rapid-fire batsman and now you’ve developed into one of the best middle-overs spin bowlers. How did this change come about? Do you rate yourself as a specialist batsman or a specialist bowler asked Vairam from the USA
    I actually started as a spinner, but when I cracked the world record for the fastest ODI century, in October 1996, people started to expect more from me as a batsman. But my position in the batting order was never consistent and I couldn’t cope with the constant shuffling up and down. So three years ago I decided I should focus on my bowling once again, and I have done well now. I rate myself as a bowler first and then a batsman.

    3. Which position do you like to bat in the most? Opener, No. 3, or middle and lower-middle order? asked Koushik from the USA
    In the subcontinent I prefer to open, and outside, be No. 6. That is because it is easy to hit the new ball early on, as it loses its shine just after a few overs in the subcontinent. That is not the case overseas, where it becomes difficult for my style of power hitting.

    4. About a couple of years back you were quoted as saying that you were tired of Test cricket and wanted to retire. What are your thoughts now? asked Tushar from the USA
    At that point I was frustrated. In fact, I was doing better in Tests than in ODIs, and still they did not play me. They said batting in both forms is completely different, so I said, ‘What’s the point in going on when they are not playing me, not thinking of me as a Test player.’ I was fed up. However, some of my well-wishers inside and the outside the team asked me to rethink, so I decided to go back on my decision.

    Test cricket is always the priority for any cricketer. Also, Test cricket is now fast-paced: there are more results in Tests and games end in four days too. There are some swift run-makers like Virender Sehwag and Sanath Jayasuriya, who bat with their natural style and perform well. I think of myself as the same.

    5. How do you feel on the eve of a match against India? And who are your favourite Indian cricketers? asked Sharath from the USA
    I enjoy the games against India the most because there is a lot of pressure and lots of expectations. And if you perform, you become a hero instantly. My top three innings against India are, my all-round performance in the Bangalore Test of 2005, 109 in Canada in 1998, and the century in Kanpur in the must-win game in the ODI series in 2005.

    Sachin Tendulkar has always been a favourite and I have enjoyed his batting.

    I’m not sure about the best compliment I’ve received from an Indian cricketer but there was this instance when a frustrated Anil Kumble, after I had hit him for a few fours, said: ‘You are not bothered about your respect or mine'”

    6. Which was your biggest six ever? And who was the bowler? asked Tahir Hassani from Pakistan
    Against Brett Lee, at the Sydney Cricket Ground. Without moving my feet, I hit him over mid-off. This was immediately after he had taken two quick wickets, so he was in good rhythm.

    7. I remember you bouncing Brian Lara in a one-day international once. Who bowled you the quickest bouncer of your career? asked Roderick Daniels from the USA Brett Lee shot one across my head in the 1999-00 ODI series. I did see it, but it flew above my head without giving me any chance.

    8. Initially when you started, your technique was simple and successful – to hit as straight as possible. Now you like to hit straight balls over long-on, which tends to cost you your wicket. Also, your grip on the bat handle seems to be very loose. Any reason for these changes? asked Usman Ali from the UAE
    I have never changed my grip. I actually don’t think about all such things.

    9. Who are the top five most destructive batsmen in cricket history, according to you? asked Obaidulakbar Masum
    As opening batsmen, it would be Sanath Jayasuriya, Virender Sehwag, Adam Gilchrist, Matthew Hayden, Chris Gayle (in no particular order).

    10. You have played under so many Pakistani captains. Whose leadership qualities have inspired you and the rest of the team the most? asked Shahzeb Shaikh from Pakistan
    Wasim bhai [Akram] and Inzi [Inzamam-ul-Haq] – both were captains, who were caring and understood how to motivate his players. A good captain is someone who will continue backing his player, especially when the player is going through a lean patch.

    11. Which is the best century you have scored – in ODIs and Tests combined? asked Arvind from India
    In Tests, 141 against India in a tough situation in the 1998-99 Chennai Test. In ODIs, against New Zealand in Sharjah in 2002, where Pakistan were once again in a spot and it was a good challenge to take them home.

  544. #544 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 10:13 AM


    No prab-lem with criticism. I am know what you taalk about and I thought it is just a fun. A bit like WWF


  545. #545 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 3:35 PM


    Good news for you:

    Ex-ICL player Razzaq set for international return

    The PCB has decided to call up Abdul Razzaq to replace one of its two injured players in the ongoing ICC World Twenty20. The request, if accepted, will make Razzaq the first former ICL player returning to international cricket after being banned.

    The request was sent to the ICC’s technical committee and, though there’s no official confirmation it has been accepted, sources close to the Pakistan camp and the player claimed it had.

    “We have made a request to the ICC for Abdul Razzaq as a replacement,” Ijaz Butt, the PCB chairman, told Cricinfo. “He is an allrounder and we’ve requested he replace Arafat, who is also an allrounder.”

    A source close to the player also confirmed that Razzaq had been contacted by the board and apprised of the situation.

    While both Yasir Arafat and Sohail Tanvir are carrying injuries, Arafat’s hamstring strain seems the more serious and Razzaq would represent a like-for-like change in that he is an allrounder.

    The Pakistan team manager, Yawar Saeed, said Arafat had been diagnosed with a lateral hamstring tear and would not play any further role in the tournament. News of Tanvir, who played with a back strain in the victory against Netherland yesterday, was better – he was back training with the rest of the squad at The Oval today.

    Razzaq was one of several ex-ICL players granted amnesty by the PCB a few weeks back, shortly after the Indian board set the ball rolling for players to come in from the unofficial league. Other boards followed suit; some set a ‘cooling off’ period in place, while others like the PCB said they would handle each player on a case-by-case basis.

    Ironically, Razzaq’s name was on the original list of 30 probables the PCB had sent to the ICC in early April – before the BCCI announced the amnesty – but the board u-turned and scratched his name off because the ICC objected to his ICL status. And with more irony, the comeback completes a full circle of sorts for Razzaq: it was only after being overlooked for the 2007 World Twenty20 squad that he decided to turn his back on Pakistan cricket. He lambasted the team’s set-up at the time, claiming he had been treated badly and then retired from international cricket, before taking back his announcement.

    Pakistan will welcome back Razzaq’s skills. He was one of the ICL’s most valuable players, leading his franchise Hyderabad Heroes to the title in the first season and a runners-up spot the second time round. His form in the recently-concluded domestic Twenty20 was outstanding as well and limited-overs competitions in England hold special memories. It was in the 1999 World Cup that Razzaq first announced himself as a major talent, picking up a bundle of wickets and scoring some crucial runs, often at one down.

  546. #546 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 4:02 PM


    Yeah, that should please Omer 🙂

    I wonder what Razzaq’s record was like in ICL.

    Would he need three matches as well in English conditions before he comes to some senses, just like all the other players did? If so, by then it will be all over for Pakistan.

  547. #547 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 4:24 PM

    Perhaps you haven’t read what has been said earlier (see comment 608). Afridi doesn’t like to open outside of Subcontinent. Besides, as I said b4 and noticed by commentators too he is completely out of touch. I just hope his last 6 changes his fortunes for him.

  548. #548 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 4:48 PM


    I guess it’s OK with “trying”.

    I would have no hesitation in Afridi opening if he was playing as Gayle and Jayasuria do. Big knocks occasionally but that occasion is consistent 🙂

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