FROM DUMMY TO GOOFY

WHY IS YOUNUS KHAN GETTING FROM DUMMY TO GOOFY?

Younus Khan get up and put on your act together

Younus Khan get up and put on your act together


Presumptuous Pakistan Pushing Ahead – After a shaky start in the tournament, the unpredictable Pakistanis have brazened themselves out of the crisis and are on a more stable platform than they were yesterday. The team which is famous as, ‘injured tigers’ always fights back better and emerge victorious when cornered or, placed between “the devil and the deep.”

The whole world talks about the talent, skills and potential of the team that it can beat any team in the world on its day and plays like novices the next day.  Why is there such an unpredictability, unreliability and inconsistency in its performance? There could be a few words to describe this aspect such as, emotional, moodiness, hotheadedness, lackluster behaviour, lack of unity,  petty politics and  placing too much importance on self-interest instead of team interest etc., etc.  But, how come they suddenly gel into one unit and then play like pros?  The think tank needs to examine these aspects and highlight them and most importantly resolve them.

The Super8 stage is about to start and I guess the  “fun and entertainment” part is over by now, Younus Khan has to put up a strong and serous face instead of acting like a clown.

Younus Khan there is a pie in the sky

Younus Khan there is a pie in the sky

“Losing is not the end of the world, if I loose all matches even then I will smile.” Younus Khan said this after losing against Australia in Dubai. But, right now at least in the above photograph, he seems to be serious and that’s what his fans want him to be.

A  few days ago after losing against England Younis walked up to the media briefing and without thinking what he is saying, blabbed out with a smile: “Twenty20 cricket is entertainment,” it was very difficult for most to understand whether Younis Khan was serious or was he joking? If he was joking, he should say first, its a joke!

After winning against the Netherlands in a very convincing manner he stood by that opinion. “In this form it is better to take it easy and have fun. It is like WWF.” Once again he said with an open smile.

By comparing cricket with WWF gives a dual meaning to that comment. In Pakistan they call it “Noora Kushti” which means the wrestling matches are fixed.  Some experts after seeing Younus Khan’s unprofessional and incompetent behaviour off the field are saying, “his statement somewhat describes Pakistan’s attitude in the tournament – they are reluctant winners.”

Are they? I don’t think so, but Younus Khan is making it look like that because of his poor English and lack of communicative skills. By judging him from the way he speaks at the media briefings and at the post match comments he makes, one wonders what kind of communicative skills he has as a leader? Whether he can really inspire and motivate his team when he talks to them in the dressing room or, when he is talking about a plan or a strategy?

It seems there is no plan, by his own words which he keeps blabbing, he said: “The planning is simple: play your role and have fun,” and he laughed, when there was nothing to laugh about and the journalists were not smiling or acting jovial, they posed serious questions about Pakistan’s planning for the Super8 which is more tough and he replied: “We are slow starters but we have managed to reach the semifinals or even finals, once we are through the initial roadblocks in the past.

Was he referring to the 1992 WC in Australia? He is no Imran Khan to talk about it. And, if he is talking about the 2007 T20 WC, at least there was some kind of planning under Lawson whereas, Intekhab Alam is a dimwit dolt who does nothing except blabbing to the media and giving some weird statements. Whereas, he should be in the thick and thin in planning and executing the team strategy and utilize the available resources to maximize the best result. Instead he too goofs up when talking to the media and, inside the dressing room he was like an obstacle to Fawad Alam’s inclusion in the playing XI.

Fawad Alam’s inclusion in the team adds more dependability in batting, bowling and fielding and he inspires his teammates unlike Salman Butt who acts like a negative pion with his slow batting and pathetic fielding. In every single match he drops a catch or two and also gives away a lot of runs. Therefore, it is Intekhab Alam’s job to help Younus Khan in choosing the right team. Younus Khan needs to be more professional rather than compassionate towards supporting senior players. He simply does not have the heart to drop a senior player in lieu of a junior player.

A professional player, especially a captain does not need to think in terms of junior or senior players, he has to judge his player by his performance and his form. He needs to identify his match winners and he needs to support them. In the post match briefing to the media, he praised Malik and Misbah and himself by saying: “What we need is for our senior batsmen to defend well. Today Malik was good at No. 3, followed by myself and Misbah, hence we could muster up 175.”

Actually, between Malik and Younus Khan, the run rate always slows down and in this form of game it is not good to slowdown after a breezy start. Pakistan were lucky that Shahid Afridi and Ajmal bowled well, otherwise 151 was not a difficult total for the Netherlands, they did better against England. And, he did not praise Afridi’s bowling at all. Only responded to a question by saying: “O ya of course he is bowled vary well today. ”

Younus Khan should remember that other teams in the Super8 stage will not be dominated by his bowlers like they did against Netherlands.  So, he must concentrate on batting and, batting at a faster pace. Especially when he is there with Malik.

Ireland are not pushovers, they have once eliminated Pakistan from the WC in the Caribbean and Pakistan needs to play full strength and should not go slack or over confident at any moment.

The other two teams in Pakistan’s group are Sri Lanka and New Zealand.  Pakistan had a good track record against both teams in the ODI but, lately both teams are in good form.

From the Sri Lankan side, Mendis has mesmerized the Pakistani batsmen and the other m&m i.e., Murali and Malinga always pose a threat to any opposition. Veteran Jayasuriya has found another explosive opener in Dilshan Tilakaratne followed by two dependable batsmen in Sangakara and Jayawardene, followed by two big hitters Chamara Silva and Jehan Mubarak, they are a very good side and they disposed off the Aussies.

And, NZ is a very, very balanced side and the two most dangerous players for Pakistan are Ross Taylor and Jacob Oram and not to mention the lethal bowler and able skipper Daniel Vittori.

What the Pakistan captain needs now is, to shelve this ‘fun and entertainment’ bit for a while i.e., till this tournament is over and play some serious cricket.
T20 is fun and entertainment or, glitz and glamour for the spectators but, not for the players, they are professionals and are paid for this job. Their job is to play serious cricket, hit more sixes and fours which is entertainment for the crowd.

The IPL made the glitz and glamour to “shlitz” and gaudiness, if Younus Khan persists with his non-serious attitude he would be adding goofiness to the glitz and gaudiness.

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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 5:25 PM

    The first round is almost over, as predicted Sri Lanka defeated WI without Chris Gayle. Now, only India is left to play the last game with Ireland in other words they will complete the last rites or what they say in Hindi, “Kirya Karam” or Antim whatever.

    This new thread is about how Pakistan will fare in this tournament, especially with the good news that Abdul Razzaq will be back in the team as a replacement to the injured Yasir Arafat.

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 5:40 PM

    ZAHEER KHAN on fire, he got all the top 3 wickets within a few balls. He was not playing so far due to some injury but what a comeback from him. The Shamrocks are 17/3

  3. #3 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 5:55 PM

    A very good thread emphasising exactly what Pakistan needs to bolster the recent spineless performances- professionalism and taking the game seriously.

    Younis Khan is an extremely talented individual and committed to the country. However that is not enough, the downside to his personality is that he takes things too lightly. When he is not being light hearted he loses his temper and does counter productive things, like fighting with Shaharyar Khan and then resigning from captaincy.

    I won’t say he is acting like Pathans act, firstly because it is wrong to stereotype and secondly because Afridi and Gul act differently. Afridi has a good sense of humour but he is much more serious on the field, and he wants to win. Everyone loses temper every now and then but there is also a middle way between losing temper and being so light hearted that the media thinks you are an idiot.

    I was reading somewhere that Imran Khan was the only captain whom all team mates used to listen to. And when they didn’t listen, Imran used to become the selection committee and remove them. No point comparing Younis to Imran; Imran is an icon and despite Younis being a great batsman, there is a world of a difference in personality. Imran’s biggest advantage was that despite being decisive, inspirational and a good manager, he was also educated and Younis Khan is not educated. Younis Khan is not paindoo, but at the same time he is not educated as well.

    I think the only other player who can inspire team mates and whom the players will listen to is Shahid Afridi. Already Afridi is very popular with half the players in the side. Players like Fawad Alam, Sohail Khan, Sarfraz Ahmed and Shahzaib Hassan have grown up considering Afridi a leader. Afridi may have some problems with Malik, Akmal and Ajmal but no doubt he has a lot of respect in the side. He commands respect from junior players across the country and this can be seen from how they treat him in domestic tournaments.

    I agreed with Javed A Khan that only a revolution will save Pakistan cricket, and I think added to that, only drastic measures and a gung ho approach can save Pakistan cricket. The biggest problem is politics and Afridi’s name is less tainted with politics than Younis’s and Malik’s. I firmly believe he should be made captain in all formats asap.

    I respect Awas’s very logical views regarding this issue and understand his opposition on accounts of Afridi’s unreliable batting.

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 6:20 PM

    khansahab

    The point about Younus Khan’s non serious attitude is, it reflects on other players and they too try to emulate and take it easy. Yesterday, when YK and Kamran Akmal came to the press conference, Akmal was laughing out for no reason, at times he kept his head down and was laughing, whether it was Younus Khan’s verbose or his inability to reply properly to the media or whatever. Since the team had won convincingly no one takes notice of such things, but when you lose and still laugh as if nothing happened then its not acceptable, its not funny.

    Its not just in cricket, even in business and in big corporation when you achieve something or win a major project for your company you have all smiles, when you lose you don’t. If you do and even say its not the end of the world or one should not take it seriously then the others won’t.

    That is why our elders say; there is a place for everything, there is a talk for every occasion and they are not wrong. You don’t go to someone’s funeral and laugh or cry if someone else is getting married. ONLY Younus Khan and Munir can smile like this 😀

  5. #5 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 6:21 PM

    Omer

    Making fun of Younis’s English was just “a fun” and nothing else 🙂

    Actually being in England has little to do with my English. I went to a good school in Pakistan and read a lot as a kid which made my English good. I am just saying this because people assume your English can’t be good if you are from a non English speaking country.

  6. #6 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 6:27 PM

    khansahab

    Good views above.

    I respect Awas’s very logical views”. Perhaps you are being too kind but I guess number crunchers like Theossa, Omer and me look at things a bit differently 🙂 Once again good comment by Omer “Lets not find all the reasons to diss Younis”. And to be given “a longer run” is exactly what some of us here have been saying. Let’s face it, as a best batsman, he is not going to get a chop anytime soon. I totally agree with all that Omer said above.

    I just hope Younus keeps silencing his critics by making good knocks like in the last two matches and by keep winning.

    Javed

    I don’t think Afridi should have any fear in being dropped as he is the best bowler thus far, despite what he does in batting. If he scores, it will be a bonus.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 6:29 PM

    It is not just about English, its the communicative skills, you listen to these guys on GEO TV and on other local TV channels even when they speak Urdu, they still appear uneducated, uncouth and there is no finesse. Once again it is not the English language but, most importantly the substance that matters. But, there is no substance in their verbose.

    Ps.

    If playing and losing is FUN AND ENTERTAINMENT for Younus Khan, like khansahab says, it is also FUN to discuss Younus Khan on the blog.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 10, 2009 - 6:40 PM

    Awas

    If you look into the past, Afridi was dropped on number of occasions even when he was playing well. Just one failure he was dropped examples are many but, I can’t go into detail. Remember, the then highest scoring match against India in 2004 he was not in Karachi ODI, which Pakistan lost by 5 runs, they played him and he won the second match single handedly by scoring 80 odd runs in 50 odd balls. In the next two matches his contribution was not that much, they dropped him in the crucial 5th ODI and lost the series.

    Not too long ago, under Malik’s captaincy, he was the match winner against Sri Lanka in Abu Dhabi and in the third match Malik dropped him for no reason, that effected his batting momentum. In India, his average and aggregate both were same as Malik’s in the ODI and Malik sent him back for the test matches and he stayed there on ONE LEG (soccer injury).

    Yes, right now he is the best T20 player and cannot be dropped on one or two bad performances he is a match winner with the ball and with the bat too. Send him up to open the innings, he will get his confidence back after one or two innings.

  9. #9 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 6:48 PM

    Omer

    Really? I thought Younis is a PhD in English! My bad.

    I think you took my point wrongly, or maybe you just skimmed through it like you always do 🙂 What I said in relation to reading (which I did not do with any spefic intention to improve a language, but because I liked reading as a hobby, believe it or not) was about this general concept people have in the West that if someone speaks good English, he must be educated in the West. That particular point was unrelated to Younis Khan or whoever. If you are good at a sport or some kind of recreational talent it does not mean you can’t be educated at the same time. When I was 16 I used to play with 20-30 year olds who played for clubs, and I could play better than most of them. If I had continued playing it wouldn’t mean that I could not be educated.

    The problem is in Pakistan people from educated families still think that going into sports, or music or fashion is dishonourable or whatever because they have this mentality, that one must be a doctor or accountant or whatever. If I had taken cricket a bit more seriously I could have been playing at a higher level today. I know I would have to work on it full time, but it would not mean that I am uneducated or whatever.

  10. #10 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 6:52 PM

    And Omer,

    If you think making fun of someone’s English is wrong then why do you say “I am agree” so often? Double standards, I tell you!

  11. #11 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 6:55 PM

    Javed

    No wonder Afridi didn’t mention Malik then when he said he liked Wasim Bhai and Inzi Bhai as captains the best 🙂

    As I said earlier as an opener they can only try but in light of what he said (a) reluctance to open overseas and (b) when he says “I consider myself a bowler first”, a captain is unlikely to antagonise him by putting pressure on his best and most senior player.

  12. #12 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 6:58 PM

    A lot of our players, after a point, stop improving, whereas almost all the players from Aus keep on improving

    Did you mean improvement in ability or improvement in education? I think our players do improve their communication skills and awareness, but not their ability that often. Wasim Akram couldn’t speak a sentence of English when he made his debut but now is an international commentator. Similarly, Afridi, Younis, Malik- all these guys couldn’t speak properly but they have got much better.

    The reason why cricket is not like soccer in terms of press conferences, is because cricket was started in England and it is even now, predominantly a “Commonwealth” sport. In all Commonwealth countries English is the official or “business” language- hence why press conferences and interviews are conducted in English.

  13. #13 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 7:01 PM

    khansahab

    Yeah you are quite right about education, look at Abdul, he is educated and bowls like Adil Rashid too.

  14. #14 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 7:03 PM

    Awas

    I am agree 100% about Abdul. He is only 17 and a little rough around the edges but a perfect example of an educated gentleman and skilled legspinner.

  15. #15 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 7:05 PM

    khansahab

    You mean English Gentleman!!!

  16. #16 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 7:08 PM

    Omer

    I am partially in your agree.

    Mathematicians may be good problem solvers, but lawyers are the ones who have created the most problems 🙂

    Lawyers have shaped the world’s history. Jinnah, Iqbal, Gandhi, Obama, a lot of the founding fathers of America, etc.

    And you think mathematicians are better than lawyers in taking “any argument apart”?

  17. #17 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 7:09 PM

    Omer

    Now you are really in trouble. Just you wait till khansahab tears apart your logic as a trial lawyer 🙂

  18. #18 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 7:10 PM

    Omer

    You are right about Akram and I am agree but will just add that he is a stupid person. You are right he says things unnecessarily but he is stupid and he can do a lot better with what he knows. He will make a good coach, but he was the best match fixer too and the most shameless and unpatriotic cricketer in the history of cricket.

  19. #19 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 7:26 PM

    Omer

    If “lawyers are the construction workers” you are implying as though they are laboueres (Mazdoor) but come on man they are white collar workers. I would have preferred if you had called them construction engineers, architects or something.

    PS.

    Even better some of them wear wigs not just white collar .

  20. #20 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 7:33 PM

    Omer

    I am in your agree.

    A lot of lawyers in the UK though have studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) which is quite a popular degree. I can’t speak for other countries.

    Law and philosophy go hand in hand. I am not saying to disagree with you, because what you are saying is right, but on the Law degree Jurisprudence is a compulsory element. Jurisprudence is about the amalgamation of philosophy and law. It is so abstract and esoteric that I didn’t understand it, although I got a decent mark for it in the exam. In Criminal Law you also study stuff like, what is morality, what is the point of morality and why human beings need to follow law, how does religion impact on law and whether a religious legal order is effective, etc. So there is a lot of philosophy there. So you are not entirely correct in saying lawyers follow just the letter of the law. Someone with a non legal background will struggle to understand this, but “law” is very broad and also includes stuff like regulations or codes that people follow. Now only lawyers discuss and implement what we call “Statutory Instruments” in the UK, which is effectively “making” and “creating” a type of law. Someone with a non legal background can’t do it. But overall what you are saying is correct.

    There are a few things that only people of certain mindsets can do. As you said, mathematicians and logicians create theories and ideas, yet no one can put them in practice or build them better than lawyers. That is the reason why most of the world’s most prominent statesmen have been lawyers. One can easily say, for argument’s sake that whereas mathematicians can create ideas, perhaps they are not as adept in implementing them or driving them with practicality, as lawyers are.

  21. #21 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 7:36 PM

    Omer

    Actually that didn’t appear as a joke to me, because what you said was correct and intelligent. Why is it a joke? What you say about Razzaq and Malik is a joke, and when you think certain people in Pakistan read all the time to improve their English, that is a joke 🙂

    I did say I am in your agree. Think of it what you may.

    And I don’t know what LSAT is? I am not know.

  22. #22 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    khansahab & Omer

    Joking apart, talking about similarities in subjects. You guys may or may not know, in Accountancy we do have to learn Law as a separate subject as well, on top of Tax as a separate subject which is another aspect of Law and there are many “statutory instruments” in there too. So, perhaps I get best of both worlds 🙂

  23. #23 by Awas on June 10, 2009 - 7:53 PM

    Not a thrashing but a good win by India. Rohit Sharma is looking a class act.

  24. #24 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 8:02 PM

    Omer

    I would like to put forward my am-agree.

    I can’t comment on mathematicians because I was weak at Maths and Science. My mind always drifted more towards Philosophy, English and History etc- the social sciences or “Humanities”. And of course, cricket has been the biggest love of my life. It is not as nice to look at as Punjabi girls, but it is “a fun”. 🙂

    Actually, an educated person is an educated person, whether it is a mathematician, lawyer or accountant.

  25. #25 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 8:13 PM

    Omer

    No luck with anyone man. I am single….and looking 🙂

    About lawyers being rich I am disagree completely! If only 😦

    It’s just the top 10% that are rich.

  26. #26 by khansahab on June 10, 2009 - 8:14 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Razzaq’s inclusion in T20 has been approved by the ICC. He will be joining the team soon.

  27. #27 by Q on June 10, 2009 - 9:00 PM

    The question now is, who will Razzaq replace in the XI and where will he bat?

    I think he should play instead of Tanvir, but I have a feeling that Razzaq will replace Fawad Alam.

    I hope that doesn’t happen but it looks likely.

    I don’t support the idea of Afridi opening the innings but I sure would like to see Razzaq coming in at 3 after Akmal and Shahzaib.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 12:02 AM

    Awas;

    I know, not only accountants but bankers too have to study commercial law and taxation. On khansahab’s mentioning of ‘criminal law’ it reminds me of an incident. There is a gori criminal lawyer, she is blonde and she wears a black Abaya (Benazir Bhutto style duppatta) and her office is in the next building to my property and she often says hello to me. I saw her a few times with a Pakistani guy and she said, he is her boyfriend.

    One day, I saw her at the corner of the street and there was a kinda commotion and a few people were around her and she looked furious, she had actually slapped a desi guy on his face.

    Upon my asking what happened? She replied, ‘he said something to me in his language, so I slapped him.” I asked, what exactly did he tell you? She said, ‘he told me Kanjree.” I asked her, whether she knows the meaning? She, replied: “NO, but my boyfriend when he is upset with me he uses this word, I know its not a good word, so I slapped him.” 😀

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 12:10 AM

    Q

    Tanvir is injured too, but I was not aware of Arafat’s injury until yesterday morning when Younus said, two changes, Arafat is injured and Tanvir is in and Ahmad Shahzad is out and Fawad Alam is in. Although on cricinfo there is a news that Arafat was diagnosed with some hamstring injury……. so, if it is diagnosed then he may be injured. Since Tanvir is not fit, they must play Abdul Razzaq in his place. Fawad Alam is ominous for the team. That’s some joke but, he is an asset for the team and must be in the playing XI.

    I doubt they will give another chance to Shahzaib, because from now onwards every single match including that with Ireland is important. India defeated Ireland very convincingly so should Pakistan. It is not a matter of taking revenge of the Caribbean loss, but to make a point in this tournament that the team is SERIOUS and the captain is also SERIOUS they ought to win against Ireland and then they need to beat only one team, Sri Lanka or New Zealand to be in the semi-final.

  30. #30 by Q on June 11, 2009 - 12:20 AM

    I agree that Fawad must be in the playing XI.. no doubt!

    The news from today though is that Tanvir had a slight back strain but is fine now and practiced with the team today and is fit.

    So the question again, given Tanvir is fit, who does Razzak replace?

    Tanvir bowled well the other day so its difficult to drop him.

    If it were to me I would replace Tanvir with Razzak, but we all know how the team management thinks and what they will do.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 12:43 AM

    Here is that info:

    http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/408318.html

    I think if Tanvir is not fully fit, there is no point in playing him. Tanvir bowled a little better the other day but his 3 overs stint is nothing to brag about. Besides, his bad fielding in that match before his injury was something that was worrying everyone, in fact the ball was following him wherever he was placed and runs were leaking because of that also, two difficult chances were missed, they looked difficult because Tanvir didn’t move swiftly, if he was fit and moved swiftly those were catches and good players don’t miss them. Hence I would consider him unfit and play Abdul Razzaq in his place.

    Another question is: IS ABDUL RAZZAQ awake? If he performs well then everything is fine, if not they will say he is recovering from Jet Lag and so on….. getting used to the weather, getting oriented etc.

  32. #32 by Q on June 11, 2009 - 12:50 AM

    Yeah that news says Tanvir is fit 🙂

    Also, have they got his visa? Pak plays on Friday and Saturday so they have only today to apply for his visa and get it and then get him on a place to London..

    If they get his UK visa from Pakistan in a day that will be some record.

    If it takes any longer there will be no use of him coming cos Pak would have already played 2 of the 3 matches..

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 1:46 AM

    I agree about the visa formalities and flight delays, hopefully they can use their influence on the embassy to get him a visa PDQ and then put him on first available flight to London, there are so many and that should not be a problem. And, the most important thing is, both the important matches i.e., against Sri Lanka and New Zealand are on 12th and 13th of June. Ireland match may not be that important unless, Ireland had upset New Zealand.

    Thu Jun 11
    13:30 local | 12:30 GMT 13th Match, Group F – Ireland v New Zealand (D1 v A2)
    Trent Bridge, Nottingham AM Showers 6 – 17° C

    Thu Jun 11 Day and Night
    17:30 local | 16:30 GMT 14th Match, Group E – England v South Africa (B2 v D2)
    Trent Bridge, Nottingham AM Showers 6 – 17° C

    Fri Jun 12
    13:30 local | 12:30 GMT 15th Match, Group F – Pakistan v Sri Lanka (B1 v C2)
    Lord’s, London Mostly Sunny 10 – 20° C

    Fri Jun 12 Day and Night
    17:30 local | 16:30 GMT 16th Match, Group E – India v West Indies (A1 v C1)
    Lord’s, London Mostly Sunny 10 – 20° C

    Sat Jun 13
    13:30 local | 12:30 GMT 17th Match, Group E – South Africa v West Indies (C1 v D2)
    Kennington Oval, London Partly Cloudy 12 – 22° C

    Sat Jun 13 Day and Night
    17:30 local | 16:30 GMT 18th Match, Group F – New Zealand v Pakistan (D1 v B1)
    Kennington Oval, London Partly Cloudy 12 – 22° C

    Sun Jun 14
    13:30 local | 12:30 GMT 19th Match, Group F – Ireland v Sri Lanka (A2 v C2)
    Lord’s, London Partly Cloudy 14 – 23° C

    Sun Jun 14 Day and Night
    17:30 local | 16:30 GMT 20th Match, Group E – England v India (A1 v B2)
    Lord’s, London Partly Cloudy 14 – 23° C

    Mon Jun 15 Day and Night
    13:30 local | 12:30 GMT 21st Match, Group F – Ireland v Pakistan (B1 v A2)
    Kennington Oval, London Rain 14 – 21° C

    Mon Jun 15
    17:30 local | 16:30 GMT 22nd Match, Group E – England v West Indies (B2 v C1)
    Kennington Oval, London Rain 14 – 21° C

    Tue Jun 16
    13:30 local | 12:30 GMT 23rd Match, Group F – New Zealand v Sri Lanka (D1 v C2)
    Trent Bridge, Nottingham

    Tue Jun 16 Day and Night
    17:30 local | 16:30 GMT 24th Match, Group E – India v South Africa (D2 v A1)
    Trent Bridge, Nottingham

  34. #34 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 7:40 AM

    I think Razzaq would be a better T20 player than Tanvir but he may arrive too late. As far as fielding is concerned Razzaq is much worse than Tanvir.

  35. #35 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 7:58 AM

    Here is what Osman Samuiddin has said:

    Razzaq will fly out of Lahore in the early hours of Friday, which means his participation for the Super Eights game against New Zealand at The Oval on the same day is still uncertain

    But the match against NZ is on Saturday. I don’t think he will play on Friday.

  36. #36 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 10:06 AM

    Razzaq is an asset in T20 cricket. I hope for his sake and Omer’s sake that he performs. His fielding is a letdown and hopefully Younis will use him wisely on the field.

    They will replace him with Fawad Alam. He should really replace Salman Butt. Either Afridi should open with Akmal or Younis should open with him- maybe Malik can open with him too. But they should definitely have Fawad Alam in the playing XI, he is a reliable batsman, fielder and he can also bowl if need be.

    The problem with Salman Butt is that playing T20 is not his natural game. If he tries to do something contrary to his natural style then he will be out quickly. At least Fawad Alam has played and excelled in all formats domestically.

  37. #37 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 10:37 AM

    Good Morning khansahab

    Well said and I endorse every word of above comment.

    Having seen that last match in the ground, other than his batting, Butt seemed a liability on the filed whereas Fawad was a fresh and pleasant change and looked the part in the field. Now with Razzaq another liability in the field, they should really do away with Butt at least.

    Razzaq is unlikely to be ready for Friday’s lunchtime match as he is flying tomorrow early morning.

  38. #38 by Mohammed Munir on June 11, 2009 - 11:49 AM

    I think Razzaq should replace Tanvir or Aamir, we can be fine with three pace/ medium-pace bowling options with Gul, Razzaq and one of either Tanvir (if fit) or Aamir. There is absolutely no need to play more then three pacers. We have enough spin bowlers with Ajmal, Afridi, Fawad, and even Malik if bowled well.

    We have been loosing all our games mainly due to our batting weaknesses and it will not be wise to keep Fawad out for these all important matches.

    I would like to go with the following playing elevens.

    Shahzaib Hassin / Salman Butt
    Shahid Khan Afridi
    Kamran Akmal
    Younis Khan
    Misbah-ul-Haq
    Fawad Alam
    Shoaib Malik
    Abdul Razzaq
    Umer Gul
    Saeed Ajmal
    Mohammad Aamer / Tanvir Sohail

    PS: So far Younis have been very rigged with his batting order and he is not trying to mix it up or be more flexible. T20 is all about utilising your resources for the best results and if the run rate is slow at a certain stage he should try to send in a hard-hitter to improve the tempo.

  39. #39 by Mohammed Munir on June 11, 2009 - 12:09 PM

    Javed Khan …

    A very good and deeply analytical article.

    I liked the balanced comments and also criticism of Younis’s Captaincy, he deserved it in every way.

    BTW, I do not laugh/ smile when I loose 😉

    He is not learning fast enough, or let’s say that he not willing to change himself.

  40. #40 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 12:09 PM

    Munir sahab

    I agree with you. There is no point in playing 4 medium pacers or fast bowlers. Spinners and Gul have been Pakistan’s main strengths so they should work around them.

    The problem is that Tanvir is a better bowler than Razzaq, so if Tanvir is fit he should play as a bowler. Which means that if Razzaq is played as a batsman, the first one to go will be Fawad Alam. Salman Butt should not play and this is so obvious but will probably get a chance because of politics.

    Pakistan can go with these opening combinations:

    Akmal and Malik
    Akmal and Afridi
    Akmal and Younis

    I think the best XI is this:

    Akmal
    Afridi
    Razzaq
    Younis
    Malik
    Misbah
    Fawad
    Tanvir
    Gul
    Aamer
    Ajmal

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 12:11 PM

    Awas

    His flight arrives on Friday June 12, at 7:00 a.m. local time and, the match is starting at 13:30 local time, technically he can play but, it all depends how sleepy he is or is he carrying a jet lag? My question in my previous comment was, “will he be awake?”

    Everyone is different, I always used to take the night flight from DXB to LHR and arrive around 7:00 am, and used to attend meetings starting from 10:00 a.m. i.e., because I used to sleep well in the plane for 4-5 hours. I understand attending meetings is different from playing cricket and that too a crunch game. However, if he misses the Friday game, he will definitely be in the Saturday game against New Zealand.

  42. #42 by Mohammed Munir on June 11, 2009 - 12:13 PM

    Khansahab…

    I agree with your selection and they surely are the best,

    But, Butt is Butt 😆

  43. #43 by Mohammed Munir on June 11, 2009 - 12:14 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Good Morning,

    What are you having in breakfast today 😉

  44. #44 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 12:20 PM

    They say if it aint broke don’t fix it.

    If the PCB had persisted with Malik as opener, not only would Pakistan’s opening problem would have been solved, but they would have a space in the middle order for proper useful batsmen. Malik averages 45 or thereabouts in ODI’s as opener- I don’t understand why he was demoted from the batting order. I remember he was poor in one series and then someone said his technique is not suitable for openers so he should be played in the middle order. Then he became a senior player and then he became the captain.

    Like how Younis Khan was doing fine at no 6. He used to play well under pressure and there was no need to promote him up the order before Yousuf or Inzamam, who were (at that time) better and more experienced batsmen. However Imran Khan decided that Younis’s talent is being wasted at no 6. I disagree with that because one of the most talented batsman Pakistan has played in the last decade has been Asim Kamal and he played at no 6 and he made a name for himself, although politics kept him out of the team. In ODI’s definitely Younis Khan has suffered playing at no 3, he has thrown away his wicket so often and not only the country has suffered but his batting record has suffered. When he retires from ODI’s neither his average nor his runs will be anywhere near Inzamam and Yousuf although talent wise he is similar or perhaps even greater than them.

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 12:22 PM

    Munir yeah, yeah Sabah-el-Khair 2u2.

    Believe IT or NOT. Yesterday I got 4 boxes of Anwar Ratole mangoes and I just ate a couple of them. I haven’t had my breakfast yet (it is 8:17 a.m. here) and the IRE- NZ match is starting in about 13 minutes. Ireland have won the toss and decided to field. Not much interest in it, but I will still watch it because there is a possibility of a big score. The problem is tomorrow when Pakistan plays against SL, I have an important meeting around the same time so I have to record it and watch it asap after I am through from the meeting.

    Ps

    In the UK and Canada we get Pakistani mangoes but, NOT in the US, the US govt. has not yet approved them, how unlucky! They eat the Mexican fruit which looks like mango, but it is not mango.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 12:38 PM

    Awas

    I think in the previous thread you have quoted Afridi’s interview in which he said, “I am a bowler first” and he talked about his favourite batting position i.e., at which number he feels comfortable etc., etc …….

    He has been saying this through the media since he has started taking wickets. His bowling may have improved but, apparently nothing major has changed in his bowling action, style, line and length he still bowls the same way just like he bats the same way. And, he is lucky and unlucky both. Lucky that he is getting wickets and unlucky that he isn’t scoring runs.

    In the same interview session of Q&A with Afridi, look what he has said about his test cricket.

    Q. “About a couple of years back you were quoted as saying that you were tired of Test cricket and wanted to retire. What are your thoughts now? Tushar from the USA

    Ans. At that point I was frustrated. In fact, I was doing better in Tests than in ODIs, and still they did not play me. They said batting in both forms is completely different, so I said, ‘What’s the point in going on when they are not playing me, not thinking of me as a Test player.’ I was fed up. However, some of my well-wishers inside and the outside the team asked me to rethink, so I decided to go back on my decision.

  47. #47 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 12:51 PM

    khansahab

    “one of the most talented batsman Pakistan has played in the last decade has been Asim Kamal”.

    Correct me if I am wrong but was he really so talented? (by the way this is an honest question not a trick question).

    Little that I know of Asim Kamal but what I do recall is that he was a reliable batsman more of a solid, dependable, difficult to remove batsman, who had a price on his wicket in a crisis. So, in essence had mental strength which most others in our team lack but was however limited in the range of shots he could play but importantly knew his limitations.

  48. #48 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 12:55 PM

    Awas

    His talent was that he could absorb pressure and stay there picking up singles and doubles. I think I meant talent is a wider way than perhaps the term is usually used.

    I know most people probably think, that having good hand and eye coordination which results in hitting many sixes, or bowling 90mph is talent, which it is, but talent can surely mean anything which is useful or good in sport?

  49. #49 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 12:57 PM

    Javed

    I had actually read all the interview but was only associating his current form (both bat and ball) with what was relevant to what he said in that interview.

    I’m aware of his better test batting records and what he had said.

  50. #50 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 1:02 PM

    It’s official. Geo Tv has announced that Razzaq is playing against Sri Lanka tomorrow.

    I think it’s a bad move. He should have been allowed to rest and he should have had some practice before the games against NZ and Ireland. But in Pakistan people react emotionally and impulsively.

    I am not doubting Razzaq’s ability here, he might perform and do something special but surely he could do with a day’s rest and some training?

  51. #51 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 1:02 PM

    khansahab

    Yeah that makes more sense. What I keep hearing is that our batmen are very talented but do not know how to horn that talent and apply metal strength.

    Yes, Asim Kamal was not talented in the sense that the word is used in cricket especially but had most other qualities that many others lack.

  52. #52 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 1:28 PM

    khansahab

    “I am not doubting Razzaq’s ability here, he might perform and do something special

    What I do recall and pertinent to mention here is that once Sami landed here from the plane and went strait to the ground to play a county match (for Kent, I think) and got something like 5 wickets on that day 🙂

    But I agree with you that “sleepy head” needs rest and net practice before he plays. I dread to think how he would be like in the field…a zombie!

  53. #53 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 3:56 PM

    Asim Kamal was a solid dependable middle order, being a left hand batsman was an advantage in the middle order. In the famous drawn Mohali Test, only two names emerge as ‘winners’ or contributors and they are Abdul Razzaq and Kamran Akmal. Check out the stats of that match and see what is Asim Kamal’s contribution? It is 91 in first innings, highest and 48 in second innings. They dropped him so many times after good performances and, he became a forgotten player now.

  54. #54 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 5:09 PM

    England are reeling against SA.

  55. #55 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 5:38 PM

    PCB should support Younis: Imran Khan

    London, June 19 (IANS) Pakistan’s legendary cricketer Imran Khan said Thursday the country’s cricket authorities should support captain Younis Khan.
    “Younis is a courageous captain but he needs support,” Imran said.

    The man who led the country to its maiden World Cup win in 1992, also backed Younis, who was criticised for branding Twenty20 cricket as mere “fun” cricket. “Younis is right in saying Twenty20 matches are just about entertainment,” Imran maintained.

    Imran also asked the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to replace national team coach Intikhab Alam with a younger and modern trainer, saying only by embracing new technology can national cricket proceed in the right direction.

    He pointed out that Intikhab belongs to a different era and is not the right choice to coach the national team.

    “I believe that we need a more modern coach, who can take our team in the right direction,” said Imran, who arrived here on a personal visit Thursday.

    The former all-rounder refused to predict the eventual winner in the ongoing World Twenty20, saying predictions were a risky business when it comes to the slam-bang format.

    “Twenty20 is completely unpredictable. I mean one day you will see Australia getting thrown out of the first round and then the Netherlands winning against England.”

  56. #56 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 5:40 PM

    Pakistan face Sri Lanka in a tough Super 8 Group F game

    LONDON, June 11 (APP)-Pakistan, overcoming early hiccups at the start of the ICC World Twenty20 Cup, launch their bid for a place in the semi-finals against a resurgent Sri Lanka in their opening Group F game at Lord’s here on Friday.

    Beaten by England in their first match of the preliminary stage after losing two warm-up games, Pakistan put their act together to demolish The Netherlands in a crucial final Group encounter and booked a place in the second round of the tournament.

    Sri Lanka , on the other hand, has come through with flying colours in their initial group matches, brushing aside the challenge of Australia and the West Indies with comparative ease.

    The early exit of fancied Australia from the competition and the way West Indies was beaten has made Sri Lanka a strong contender to claim a berth in the semi-finals.

    Under the rules, two top teams from each group go through the last four.

    Pakistan, beaten finalist in the inaugural 2007 tournament in South Africa, will need to play at their best against a formidable opponent. In fact, the two sides meets for the first time after the terrorist attack in Lahore earlier in March which left six Sri Lankan players injured while six Policemen and two civilians were killed.

    Pakistan team manager Yawar Saeed was confident that his players will pull out all plugs to ensure success though he admitted Sri Lanka was a formidable side and as were the other teams in the competition.

    “We go into the game on a confident note with each player eager to perform his best, “ he told APP.

    Saeed ruled out chances of all rounder Abdul Razzaq who has replaced injured Yasir Arafat, playing Friday’s match saying that he is due to arrive in the UK after the start of the key game.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 6:00 PM

    What a shame England bowled out under 20 overs. South Africa did a clinical precision job in restricting the England batsmen by their superb bowling and fielding. The crowd is disappointed. SA is definitely going to win this match………. unless a miracle happens…….. but, that is not likely.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 6:04 PM

    Why Imran Khan is supporting Younus Khan? BAKAOZ he doesn’t want to chew his own words, he said, that Younus Khan is the logical choice to lead Pakistan after Inzamam. He then ruined and maligned the Akhroat mind of Younus Khan who declined captaincy twice and in order to save himself from embarrassment he keeps laughing like a “mendki (she lamb) jisko zukaam ho gaya.”

    Imran is trying to justify by citing the example of Australia that they got booted out early hence T20 is a different game. YES Imran we all know that, we have been calling it a lottery. So, what’s new? Are you hear to meet your boyz or read the tabloids to find out more about Jemima Bhabi’s current affairs? Better concentrate on that and not comment on T20 or Pakistan.

  59. #59 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 6:14 PM

    I totally agree with Imran’s comments here:

    Younis is a courageous captain but he needs support,”. He should be supported here too.

    Intikhab belongs to a different era and is not the right choice to coach”. I agree here too Intikhab should be removed and a modern coach be appointed.

    Twenty20 is completely unpredictable”. Very true…as I say often it’s a lottery!

  60. #60 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 6:20 PM

    Yawar Saeed rules out Razzaq for the first match as he arrives after the start of the match.

    Javed who told you he is reaching here at 7am?

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 8:14 PM

    Awas – I assumed he is coming in the wee hours of the morning. 😀 But, that is my educated guess.

    Most flights from Far East, Middle East, India & Pakistan arrive at LHR early morning. Even from Canada they arrive around that time. And I don’t remember a single time I arrived in London it was afternoon time. And, I must have been there over 100 times. LHR is closed at night and flights start landing after 6:00 a.m., am I right?

    So, the point is can’t the PCB goofs put him on a similar flight that arrives early? But, what else do you expect from these guys?

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 8:26 PM

    Awas

    So what so special about Imran Khan’s comments? Has he said anything new?

    1. But, I don’t agree with his views that YK is a courageous captain.

    You should look at YK’s field placements and bowling changes, they are totally and entirely defensive. He removes his wicket taking bowlers when they are getting wickets and brings in bowlers like Malik to quickly complete the allocated quota of overs they have to bowl, but by doing so, he eases the pressure from the bowler and the batting side takes advantage. He did this with Saeed Ajmal in the previous match and he did this with Afridi and Gul a few times in the past. So, is this a courageous move? The courageous move is to strike when the iron is hot and go for the kill. I am sorry I don’t agree with My Baap Imran Khan, he is saying this only because he supported Younus Khan earlier and wants to keep his word, he cannot say he is a bad captain or a defensive captain.

    2. Intekhab Alam belongs to his era, Imran Khan used to play in his team and later he was the coach cum manager in 1992 when Pak won the WC. The problem is not with era, the problem is with those individuals like Alam, Altaf, Ijaz Butt etc. And, who would be the modern coach? Imran Khan himself was against Bob Woolmer and Lawson both. So, who has he got on his mind as a modern coach?

    3. Awas, If you can say Twenty20 is completely unpredictable and its like a lottery, we all must have said this before so many times, so what took Imran Khan to realize about it now? Is this anything new?

  63. #63 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 8:39 PM

    According to Osman Samiuddin’s preview, Salman Butt will be dropped for tomorrow’s game. He has included Fawad Alam in the playing XI on the pretext of Razzaq not being risked against Sri Lanka.

    I wonder suppose a miracle happens and Fawad gets a chance to make some quick runs or he takes a good catch or runs someone out, what will happen then? I guess they will have to drop Ahmed Shahzad.

  64. #64 by Ali Ahad on June 11, 2009 - 8:57 PM

    I think Pakistan has a decent chance to qualify for the semi’s. They are in group F along with Sri Lanka, New Zealand and Ireland. The good thing is that no team is carrying over any points from first round. I think they have decent chance and they need to win two matches to qualify for the semi’s. I bet Ireland and New Zealand.

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 9:36 PM

    Ali Ahad

    You bet Ireland and New Zealand for what? That they will be out? Today, New Zealand defeated Ireland by a big margin. Their ace opener Jesse Rider is out of the tournament, Daniel Vittori and Ross Taylor are injured, also one of their fast bowlers is injured and I am not sure whether they will be fit to play against Pakistan or not? They are as good as Sri Lanka and they can beat any team on their day. Today Redmond played a very useful innings, they were 32 for no loss in just 2 overs.

    Sri Lanka, is a very good side and they were rated as underdogs prior to the commencement of the tournament but they have defeated Australia and West Indies in their round matches. Pakistan can beat both these teams but, Pakistan is also very famous for collapsing like a deck of cards. But, Pakistan’s record against Sri Lanka is good so far, so lets keep our fingers cross.

    khansahab

    Ahmad Shahzad doesn’t have that kinda span of attention to go at a fast pace and score 50 ~ 60 runs he gets out around 20 or else he will play a very slow innings like Butt. I think the selectors must take a chance and get Shahzaib to open the innings, but is it worth experimenting another opener at this stage?

    The best thing would be Malik should open with Akmal, because Akmal is fast and aggressive and Malik can play the role of a second fiddle. And, Malik bats better when he has crossed his 30 ~ 35 runs margin. Pakistan needs to bat through the first 6 overs and score at least 60, then they have a chance to score 180 odd runs otherwise, the middle order would be struggling against Murali and Mendis and then, Jayasuriya and Dilshan will snatch the game from Pakistan.

  66. #66 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 9:43 PM

    Javed

    Whether he arrives in the wee hours of the morning or not, its better as khansahab says if he is not thrust into the match straight away.

    That sleepy head, bhangee needs rest and practice first. God knows what he has been doing since ICL!!!

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 9:58 PM

    That sleepy head, bhangee needs rest and practice first. God knows what he has been doing since ICL!!!

    LOL

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 11, 2009 - 10:03 PM

    Btw, Abdul Razzaq’s record against New Zealand is good. As long as he is not stuffing spinach and only spinach through his throat, he should be OK.

    khansahab is getting anxiety bouts about Fawad Alam, whether he will play or not and if he plays by a miracle if he scores BIG and then what happens? Whether they will take Razzaq in the team or not and who they will drop etc.

  69. #69 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 10:11 PM

    Javed

    I’m really impressed with khansahab’s find of Fawad reinforced after my visit to Lords. He looks the part of a talent in cricket speak unlike Asim Kamal 🙂

    Khansahab’s anxiety is understable.

  70. #70 by Pawan on June 11, 2009 - 10:22 PM

    Folks,

    Tomorrow’s game of Pakistan against Sri-Lanka is very important from Pakistan’s as well as Sri-Lanka’s perspective. Based on the “injured” New Zealand size, I would say that Pakistan and Sri-Lanka are “supposed” to qualify from this group. But New-Zealand can be teh dark-horse and the party spoiler. So coming in from that perspective I would say that the side that wins tomorrow’s game would automatically sail through to the semi-finals. But based on previous performances, sadly, for you guys, I think Sri-Lanka appears to be a lot more formidable and accomplished side than Pakistan.

    a) Looking at the bowling options Pakistan have, they are heavily dependent upong Ajmal and Afridi to deliver. As we all know, India, Pakistan and Sri-Lanka, all play spinners well. Sri-Lanka has Jayasurya, Dilshan, Mahela and Sangakara who are masters of sping bowling. Pakistan even won the game against Holland mostly due to their spinners. I am not saying that the spinners won’t be effective in this game, but they would not have as much of an impact as they had on the previous game.

    b) Man to man Sri-Lanka are stronger. Based on current line-up, Sri-Lankan openers are way ahead of their Pakistani counter-parts. There is no comparison between Jayasurya-Dilshan and Butt-Shehzaad pair. Even Sangakara is better than Akmal. Then Younis and Mahela cancel each other, so we have an equal there. Malik-Misbah though have upper hand on Jehan-Chamara, they need their openers and upper middle order to fire. Afridi is a unique character. Though he hasn’t fired in this tournament with the bat, if he does, he cam make a difference. Malinga the chuker compares well with Aamer, although the young kid lacks some experience. Murali-Mendis must be accounted to be superior than Ajmal-Afridi simply based on their experience.

    c) Captaincy-wise, I would say that Sangakarra, although as new as Younis in the job is much more shrewd customer than Younis. A captain plays a significant role in any format of the game. Field placings, bowling changes, batting order, and on-field tactics are not the only things that he has an impact on, but he can also affect the dressing-room conversations, atmosphere, player pscyche, attend to players technical needs if any, game plan and off-field player handling (which we saw put the kicks on Aussies).

    So the favorites here are Sri-Lanka. But I would love to see Pakistan win and secure their birth for the semi-finals, so that there is a chance of an India-Pakistan semi-final, if India also reaches the knowk-out.

  71. #71 by Awas on June 11, 2009 - 10:26 PM

    Pawan

    Excellent analysis !

  72. #72 by Pawan on June 11, 2009 - 10:33 PM

    India v.s West-Indies is an interesting game. Contrary to the popular opinion, I don’t think India are the favorites. It is going to be a tight game. To start with, the West-Indian openers are exteremly strong – Gayle and Fletcher – what a combination! Fletcher is a 20-20 specialist. Indian openeing bowling Pathan-R.P-Khan is pathetic in front of these openers. So for India to have a good chance, has to remove these openers. Thankfully Chanderpaul isn’t in that great a knick, but he being a class player can turn on the heat anytime. Ramnaresh Sarwan and LMP Simmons are in good form, but then so are Ojha and Singh. So that should be a good contest to watch, that is, if Gayle and Fletcher give them a chance to bat. I am also impressed with Edwards and Taylor. Although they spray the ball around a wee bit, they are also wicket taking bowlers and the law of averages say that Rohit-Gautam have had enough of their openeing partenerships so, its not going to be easy this time. Dhoni is not in form. Yuvraj although in good form, is quite moody. Raina could be a dangerous player. Yusuf Pathan is a bit like desi-Gayle. He could also be employed if the Gayle force refuses to recede.

    the big worry for West-Indies is their feilding – its been really really pathetic. And in a short game like T20, fielding does affect the match result.

    So overall, I think this game is going to be a tight one, with Gayle advantage to West-Indies.

  73. #73 by khansahab on June 11, 2009 - 10:52 PM

    Fawad and Shahzaib ready to fire, if required

    LONDON: Pakistan young guns Fawad Alam and Shahzaib Hasan are hoping to play some role in their team’s title campaign in the ICC World Twenty20 under progress in England.

    While Fawad finally made the cut for the playing eleven and faced a couple of deliveries in Pakistan’s do-or-die game against the Netherlands at Lord’s on Tuesday, Shahzaib is yet to open his account in the 12-nation spectacle.

    “It was great to get a chance in the previous game,” Fawad told this correspondent. “I always try my best to ensure that I can play a role for my team and hope to do that whenever I get a chance to play in this tournament,” said the left-hander from Karachi.

    Fawad is regarded as one of the best fielders in the 15-man Pakistan squad, which is one of the reasons why he was included in the touring party. The all-rounder was delighted after Pakistan progressed into the Super Eights stage with an emphatic 82-run triumph over the Dutch.

    “We were all really relieved because now we can look forward to winning the trophy.”

    Shahzaib is yet to become a part of the playing eleven after misfiring in the warm-up game against India at The Oval on June 3. But he is even happy to be just a part of the national team.

    “To be staying and practicing with such great players is an honour,” said the youngster, who is a hard-hitting opener. “I’m trying to learn as much as I can from the senior players.”

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2009 - 12:19 AM

    Awas:

    Please tell us more about your Lords experience. I wish I could have joined you, but like I said, too much work and too many commitments here otherwise, I would have loved to join you @ Lords…… the VIP invitations that you got would have been availed.

    Pawan

    Good realistic assessment and analysis about Pakistan and Sri Lanka I wish I was free tomorrow to view this match live, but I have an important meeting with some oversees business associates and without thinking I had agreed for a meeting followed by lunch. At that time if I knew about the match I would have asked for a meeting later in the evening followed by a dinner. Anyways, too late cannot change it. But, I will record it on my PVR.

    Regarding your analysis on India and West Indies match you have forgotten the Sulaiman Ben Ladin factor. He is a very unique spin bowler, 6 ft. 7 inches tall and delivers good length balls with a bounce that are hard to play especially for short batsmen. I wonder how Tendulkar may have coped with him? But, Sulaiman is a pathetic fielder, worst than Butt and Ajmal he drops too many catches. Also, on that Gayle and Fletcher combo, the WI relies too much on Gayle (just like England relies on Kevin Pietersen) and whenever he clicks he wins the match singlehandedly.

    khansahab,

    From where did you get this news about Shahzaib’s inclusion? I think they should take a chance because both, Butt and Shahzad are tuk, tuk players and they create too much pressure on the team by scoring slow, it is better to take a chance with an explosive batsman rather than the one who not only kills the tempo but, also creates pressure and negative effect on the team. Both are only batsmen, not bowlers and of course very bad fielders.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2009 - 12:28 AM

    A fortuneteller from India has predicted that once again the final of T20 will be between India and Pakistan. But, he did not tell who will win? 😀

    If, India and Pakistan play in the final this time, I can predict that Pakistan will be the winner this time. But, I want the Indian fortuneteller to be right, before I am right. 😀 So, I am putting the cart before the horse.

  76. #76 by Mohammed Munir on June 12, 2009 - 9:31 AM

    Captain KHAN …

    Younis also took the opportunity to clarify some unusual comments he had earlier made on Twenty20 cricket, comparing it to “WWF” and saying that it was better to take it easy and have fun in this format. He defended his comments and urged everyone not to take them too seriously.

    “I am a simple guy. Sometimes people think I am wrong because when we lose I am still laughing,” Younis said. “You must look forward, if you lose or win. This is life. Sometimes you have good days, sometimes you have bad days.”

  77. #77 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 9:44 AM

    Javed A Khan

    I got that news from The News, Pakastan.

  78. #78 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 9:51 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Qadir says was not free to work

    Updated at: 1303 PST, Friday, June 12, 2009

    LAHORE: The former Pakistani Cricket Board (0CB) Chief Selector Abdul Qadir Friday said if he had been completely authorized, he would have expelled Shoaib Malik from the national team.
    Addressing a press conference here, he said the PCB neglected the selectors while selecting the team, on which he resigned.

    The former leg spinner said he accepted the office of chief selector to serve the national cricket, adding he tabled several plans to the board; however, he was not allowed to work freely; thereupon, he preferred to give resignation.

    He said all the powers even regarding the selections have been given to coach and captain overlooking the selectors.

    Abdul Qadir said he spotted the clash between Younis Khan and Shoaib Malik during Abu Dhabi series; had he been authorized, he would have dropped down both the players.

    He said he is not willing to work with the PCB even if the board gives him ten million rupees.

    Lashing out at the PCB Governing Board member Shakeel Sheikh, he said Sheikh is the cancer of the cricket; he should be kept at arm’s length from cricket.

  79. #79 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 10:14 AM

    I need to play up the order for more impact: Afridi

    LONDON: After three mediocre performances with both bat and ball, Shahid Afridi finally came good — albeit against the minnows, the Netherlands — and carried Pakistan through to the Super Eights of the ICC World Twenty20.

    His career-best four for 11, the fourth best bowling figures in international Twenty20, was labelled as the difference between the two sides by the Dutch captain, and spared Pakistan’s blushes of exiting yet another tournament in the group stages.

    Showing no signs of complacency after a thumping victory, Afridi vowed to deliver an improved performance in the next three matches against Sri Lanka, New Zealand and Ireland.

    ‘Judging by the performance on Tuesday, I think a lot will depend on my performance in the next round,’ Afridi told Dawn after a training session on Wednesday at The Oval. ‘The team needs me and I’m fully aware of that and that is why I will be focussing a lot on improving my individual performance in the next round.’

    It was difficult, according to Afridi, for the team to adjust to the English conditions and the pitches, with a lot of squad members totally alien to these conditions. On the other hand, players from other team benefiting from the recent IPL trip, had a huge advantage as the pitches in South Africa were remarkably similar to what the ICC World Twenty20 is witnessing.

    ‘I think the Pakistani players were unfortunate to miss out on the IPL as it would’ve benefited us greatly. It’s not easy to arrive in England and start playing our natural game straight away. It took time for us to get acclimatised to the conditions and as we move into the business end of the tournament, we will be able to deliver what is expected of us.’

    While his performance with the ball came as a huge relief for Pakistan, Afridi as a batsman has yet to shine for his team in the tournament so far. No wonder then, that he appears desperately keen to put things right. ‘I’ve not been able to bat to my ability as I’ve often arrived at the crease with only a few overs to go. I wanted to carry my UAE form and strategy into these matches where I would have a few overs to settle down before attacking. However, that has not been possible on the tour so far and that is why I’ve made it quite clear to my captain that I can be, and am well-prepared as always, to be utilised at the top of the order if the need arises.’
    Of the three Super Eight matches Pakistan will be playing, two of them will be at The Oval, the ground where Pakistan was handed a nine-wicket loss against India in the second warm-up followed by a 45 run defeat at the hands of the hosts England. Despite the two results at the venue, keeping in mind the Oval debacle of 2006, Afridi shrugged aside notions of apprehension.

    ‘No matter what the location is, we need to come good in all departments of the game. Super Eights is where the real challenge begins. We will now see how good our team really is,’ Afridi concluded.

  80. #80 by Awas on June 12, 2009 - 11:00 AM

    The one Pakistani leg spinner of the past that I have ever liked has been Qadir. He was rightly called a magician when there were no Warns and Muralis and he basically revived the dying art of legspin in the times when off spinners were considered better as they were more economical. Qadir had the most beautiful mesmerising action.

    I didn’t know much how he was like as a selector and a person. Now that the news are coming out we know how he is like.

    He basically is saying now that he was a dummy selector and the power was with captain and coach. So, it goes without saying Younus is not such a dummy as perceived to be by some. Javed…hint hint 🙂

    Not only that he resigned on a matter of principle but he also had the guts to say that he would have expelled Malik. This enhances my esteem for Qadir. He seems to have good work ethics and principles.

    Qadir must have been listening to Omer re Malik.

  81. #81 by Mohammed Munir on June 12, 2009 - 11:16 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Anwar Ratole, so early in the season !! I am impressed.

    You are very lucky to have enjoyed Anwar Ratole in Cananda and that too 4 cartons.
    Here in Dubai/ UAE, now a days, there are so many exclusive shops which specializes in selling Pakistani goodies. Few days back, we had “Faalsay’, and by the time the short-lived ‘Faalsa’ season was over, they brought in ‘Jaamuns’. Similarly, they always have almost all seasonal vegetables (Arvi, Bhhindi, Ghhobi, Paalak, etc. etc.) and various Pakistani fruits, and they even have pure Pakistani ‘Gurr’ as well as ‘Shaker’, along with the ‘Sutto’ powder and so many other specialties.

    But, even they have not yet brought Anwar Ratole this year. Although, they have a few Pakistani mangoes like ‘Sindhri’, which comes first of all and is not very special in taste or smell. Beside Sindhri, they also have DoSehri, Almas, Tota-Pari and a few more of the less-known varieties.

    In mangoes my personal favourites are ‘Chounsa Samer-Bahisht’, although I eat almost all other types also 😛

    In Chounsa, there are many sub-varieties of Chounsa like the white-Chounsa, black-Chounsa, etc. Langra is also fine, but Chounsa is a league apart from the rest. As they say, mangoes are the kings of all fruits and Chounsa is king of mangoes.

    I know so many peoples like Anwar Ratole because of it’s special smell and aroma and it is much more expensive too. My dad also likes Anwar Ratole and Fajri more then Chounsa, but not me. Even within Fajri there are many sub-varities like the Fajri-Kalaan, Fajri-Saada, Fajri-Sabaz, and etc.

    I feel sorry for the Amrika-Walay (Beychaaray Omer & Theo) 😉 , who are deprived of the great Pakistani “Mangoes”. I hope Khansahab and Awas are so unlucky. 😀

  82. #82 by Mohammed Munir on June 12, 2009 - 11:17 AM

    Khansahab & Awas …

    Any final news on Razzaq, being among the playing elevens today or not ??

  83. #83 by Awas on June 12, 2009 - 11:44 AM

    Munir

    I too believe Anwar Rathore is the best mango even better than the Indian Alphonso which is one of the best. Yeah, it’s pretty early for Anwar Rathore.

    Do you get Indian variety there as well? The other good Indian is Kaiser. Chounsa is too sweet but I like it a lot.

    I have not had Faalsa and Jaamuns for year, you are so lucky!

  84. #84 by Mohammed Munir on June 12, 2009 - 11:46 AM

    PCB gave me no independence – Abdul Qadir

    Having maintained a steady silence since he abruptly stepped down from his post as chief selector earlier this week, Abdul Qadir finally let loose on the reasons behind his decision, blaming primarily a lack of independence in his role. Qadir also said had it been his choice, Pakistan’s Twenty20 side would not be led by Younis Khan and that Shoaib Malik would not be in the side at all.

    In particular, Qadir launched an attack on Intikhab Alam, Pakistan’s coach, and Yawar Saeed, the team’s manager, blaming them for interfering in selections and rendering his selectors “a dummy” committee.

    “Why did I resign? If you do not get the respect, the justice or independence in your job it is better to leave,” Qadir told Cricinfo. “If the PCB does not honour its contract then what is the point? I was told I would be given independence and a free hand in selection but that has not been the case.”

    The spark for the differences seems to have emerged from the ambiguous parameters assigned to the chief selector. The board’s policy, for home games, is that the selection committee decides on a playing XI, in consultation with coach and captain. According to Qadir, ‘consultation’ allowed, effectively, the team management to finalise the XI without any input from selectors.

    “The contract says that if there is a dispute over the final XI for a home game, the selector decides in consultation with coach and captain,” Qadir said. “Here, the coach and manager and captain were deciding the XI so the selectors were not doing anything. Even the players for the central contracts – we had no say in that. If guys like Yawar Saeed and Intikhab Alam are handling these things, interfering, then why have selectors?”

    Several ideas of his, Qadir said, had not been considered. One was a suggestion on improving Pakistan’s bench strength by organizing matches between four teams with all the best talent in Pakistan. Other ideas were more radical. Had he been given the independence he wanted, for example, Younis would not be the captain of Pakistan’s Twenty20 side.

    “When I first was appointed as selector I said then we should have two captains but they didn’t listen to me. I would’ve asked Younis to step down from ODI and Twenty20 cricket and made Shahid Afridi captain in both formats. I would’ve kicked Shoaib Malik out of the side totally because I noticed in Dubai that he is conspiring and forming cliques against Younis.”

    Pakistan only recently made its selection committee a full-time, salaried one; Qadir was the second such head, after Salahuddin Ahmed, who stepped down last year. “I did not do this for the money. I kick the PCB’s money. I did it to bring justice to Pakistan’s real talent that goes unnoticed every day. The whole system has to change and men such as Yawar Saeed and Intikhab Alam have to be removed from it. Otherwise nothing will change. I have nothing against Ijaz Butt but the system must change.”

    The other two members of the committee, ex-Test cricketers Salim Jaffer and Shoaib Mohammad are still in place and no replacement has yet been sought for Qadir.

    Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo.

    PS: I already had respect for Qadir, but after this and specially what he said, I liked the guy more and it is rare for a someone from Punjab to say something against Malik, which proves how “Meesna” Malik really is.

    Most of the points (like Younis should be out, Afridi should be made Captain, Shoaib Malik is Meesna, etc. ) our LS guys have been saying are highlighted by Qadir.

  85. #85 by Mohammed Munir on June 12, 2009 - 12:03 PM

    Awas …

    Yes we also get a lot of Indian mangoes, because India is so close to UAE. Indian mangoes come into the market much before the Pakistani mangoes like late March/ April and May, so they do very good business, but once the Pakistani mangoes ‘invade’ the markets, there are no buyers for Indian mangoes here in UAE.

    We get Alphanso, Aapusu, Kaisiri, Lal-Pari, etc. from Indian variety, but we eat them only becuase they come much before Pakistani magoes.

    I know a lot of peoples like Anwar Ratole and I also eat it fine, but my personal favourit is Chounsa-Samer-Bahist (Samer means fruit and Bahist means Heaven in Urdu/ Farsi). So this variety of Chounsa is rightly said “Chounsa the Fruit of Heavens” 😛

    Sindhri is not very special taste, but it is mostly used in mangoe dishes/ juices, as it have more pulp without any hairs on it’s seed (Guthli Ka Raisha) and is clean.

    We use Faalsa for juices also, but the best is Faalsa Ka Muraba (Faalsa Jam). It tastes so special, because it’s a mixture of Khatta and Meetha (sweet & sour) with some almonds and other dried nuts with a few full black-peppers for pungent taste and ‘Ellaichi’ for aroma …. Yummmmmm 😛

  86. #86 by Mohammed Munir on June 12, 2009 - 12:11 PM

    Razzaq is not playing …… 😦

    I am out now, I have to finish my Asar prayer and be ready for the match.

    Today is a Friday and we are off. It’s 16.08 pm here and match starts at 14.30 pm.

    We will talk about other foods and mangoes after the match 😉

    I know Javed will be stuck in his business meeting and lunch … poor chap 😦

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2009 - 1:05 PM

    Munir

    Actually I am not stuck in the meeting but watching the match, my bad because I thought this match starts at 12:30 my time, but that was GMT. That was some good feeling which Sohail Tanvir ruined it in the first over bowling no-balls and wides and giving away this match to Sri Lanka on a silver platter. 65/0 in six overs is like giving away a head start and with Butt again in the team, Pakistan are not likely to go at this speed. But, most important for Pakistan is to get the first wicket.

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2009 - 1:12 PM

    The match running away in Sri Lanka’s favour it is better to discuss mangoes…

    I know it is Anwar Rathore, named after that guy who grafted it and created this great mango but, some how everyone calls it Ratole. Munir, we do get Jamuns and Falsay also. You know there is a direct PIA flight from Lahore to Toronto and Karachi to Toronto twice a week?

    Afridi has done the job!!! wow
    Two wickets now and got rid of both the openers.
    But, what happened to Tanvir? We will discuss this later.

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2009 - 1:30 PM

    In his first 3 overs Afridi gave only 12 runs and took 2 wickets but, in his last over he gave away 11 runs. Total 2/23. Malik has also contained the runs the point to ponder is whether Pakistani openers can get a flying start? They have to change their batting line up today and take a gamble with Akmal and Afridi otherwise, in the middle overs, Murali and Mendis will do the damage now Ajmal got the wicket Sangakara stumped by Khatmal.

  90. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2009 - 2:14 PM

    20 runs extras in a total of 150, that is too much and Tanvir is the main culprit. Afridi was the key in getting rid of the two openers who went off on a flying start and at that time they were looking so dangerous that I thought Sri Lanka will post a total of over 200. Considering that, it is a good come back from Pakistan to restrict Sri Lanka to 150 runs.

    Since the target is achievable, I think Younus Khan will not take chances and will send, Butt and Akmal. However, I would have taken the risk of sending Afridi and not Butt, when Afridi bowls well and takes wickets and catches then he bats well. It is always a kinda morale booster for any player (all-rounder).

    Instead of bringing Umar Gul, back into the attack Younus Khan should have delayed him for one more over because, Malik bowled very well and he gave only 5 runs in 2 overs. That over from Umar Gul was expensive but, he bowled the remaining overs better and got wickets. Younus Khan like he plays he premeditated sweep shots also decided that Malik will bowl only two overs to fill in Tanvir’s two overs. This is where he lacks imagination and it is not the first time he has done this, I have been saying this since the very beginning that “strike when the iron is hot” he takes another course of defensive action.

    Ian Chappel is a biased commentator, when Dilshan played that shot over his head that went past the wicketkeeper for a four, he said, “I love the look of Kamran Akmal when Dilshan played that shot.” It shows that he was taking sides. When Sri Lanka was demolishing Australia in the round match, Ian Chappel was telling that the umpire’s decision to give a wide was a RUBBISH DECISION and he said that twice.

    Salman Butt is opening and he is already on the defensive mode. God bless Pakistan

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2009 - 2:16 PM

    Salman Butt blocked two balls and got clean bowled on the third ball……….. WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO UNDERSTAND???? Younus Khan and selectors must DROP HIM from 20/20 forever.

  92. #92 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 2:28 PM

    Javed A Khan

    The reason why Butt is still playing is because of politics and because Younis is too scared to drop the former vice captain.

    Razzaq should replace Tanvir, not Fawad Alam. They need to strengthen the batting, not weaken it.

  93. #93 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 2:33 PM

    Malik has played a couple of effective shots….

  94. #94 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 2:39 PM

    Omer

    You were right man. One more genuine fast bowler Malik could not face properly- Malinga.

  95. #95 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    Akmal should have attacked the fast bowlers from the start, because he will have trouble facing the spinners.

  96. #96 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 3:27 PM

    There was nothing great about this knock from Misbah.

    Akmal would have played better in 20 balls.

  97. #97 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 12, 2009 - 3:49 PM

    What a shame Pakistan simply couldn’t bat and lost so badly.

  98. #98 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 3:53 PM

    Typical paindoo bias from Wasim Akram,

    “Fawad Alam has to improve his batting”.

    What does he have to improve? Is it his fault he was sent below Misbah who could only manage 21 runs without any boundary in 28 balls? That is why I say Misbah is overrated.

    The Sri Lankans only bowled slower balls to Fawad or full length balls outside off stump, they are very difficult to hit. He still hit a few shots pretty well, at least he doesn’t slog high up in the air. When Fawad came they needed 12 runs an over and Younis immediately got out; there wasn’t much he could do so Wasim needs to shut up and think.

    Misbah is to be blamed for this defeat and Butt for getting out in such a pathetic fashion.

  99. #99 by Pawan on June 12, 2009 - 3:57 PM

    Wasim Akram after Fawad Alam tried to pull and ended up getting out caught Sangakarra.

    “All the tail-enders have tried to slog using one shot…”

    He was referring to Sohail Tanvir and Fawad Alam.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but the kid Alam never got a chance to bowl.

    If he is in the team as a “tail-ender” then why the heck do they not give him a bowl! ?!

    How can such a talented side loose because of tactical errors!

    If you are playing a bowler like Alam, then you gotto bowl him or else pick a batsman!

    Next game – India v.s Gayle

  100. #100 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 4:01 PM

    Pawan

    Alam is actually a batsman, who from domestic first class record is probably the best Pakistani batsman of all time. He has been playing high level cricket for 5-6 years. He deserves to bat ahead of Misbah and Malik but due to politics he is not getting the chance. This guy has been a top 5 batsman in every domestic tournament in Pakistan ever since I have actively followed Pakistan cricket.

    He is treated like a tailender which is a different matter altogether.

    I don’t understand what Wasim expects when Fawad is sent in to bat with 43 runs needed from 20 balls and then Younis gets out immediately. No batsman can achieve that with “tailenders” like Tanvir and Gul partnering with him.

  101. #101 by Awas on June 12, 2009 - 4:08 PM

    I agree with khansahab Razzaq should replace Tanvir forthwith and I get the feeling this is Butt’s last match. He should have been out right from the beginning.

    Younus has at least shown his worth. In last three consecutive matches he has scored good knocks at good pace albeit not always winnings ones. If he wasn’t there Pakistan may not even have qualified for the super 8 and this match they would have lost heavily.

  102. #102 by Pawan on June 12, 2009 - 4:09 PM

    Khansahab

    Then its really sad for the the kid Alam.

    He looked so dejected when he got out.
    Players such as him should be promoted.
    Blend of experience and youth should be encouraged. It seems Younis believes that every match should be won by the “seniors”, which is not bad. Of course the seniors should take responsibility, but even the juniors must be allowed to flourish. Hats off to Younis though for a fabulous knock. He just has to get the tactics right such as batting and bowling order and picking of right players (players in form).

    Have you guys noticed that Pakistan has lost all their matches because of their batting? Surely they need a revamp in batting.

  103. #103 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 4:26 PM

    Pawan

    You have an excellent analytical mind and a very good cricket instinct.

    You are totally right about Younis Khan and his undermining of juniors. But if you think about it, Aamer and Shahzad are also juniors but they have been encouraged and promoted. What makes Alam so different?

    In my previous thread I said Younis, Malik and Misbah need to show commitment and so far only Younis is the one who has shown any commitment. An exemplary performance from him- great batsman. Full marks on the batting front.

  104. #104 by Awas on June 12, 2009 - 4:39 PM

    An exemplary performance from him [Younus]- great batsman. Full marks on the batting front

    Thanks khansahab for not saying anymore he is not a T20 player. As I always said his true class will eventually show.

    Butt basically ruined the match for playing a shot like that. He never looked the part in this format. Younus may not have looked the part to begin with but players like him can adapt. If any player is needed as consolidators, which is must, then it should be the likes of Younus.

    I also get the feeling that Fawad will be kept for rest of the matches that he surly deserves but he should come higher up the order. I just hope Younus realises that.

  105. #105 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 7:06 PM

    It’s now clear that Younis chose this squad for the T20 Cup and not Qadir. So the selection committee did not have any input.

    Qadir said he would not have chosen Younis, Malik and Ajmal for this squad and instead would have preferred expert T20 players. His reservations with Ajmal and Butt were due to their fielding.

    Qadir also complained about Malik creating divisions in the team and Younis also playing politics.

    I think Qadir did the right thing by exposing how Pakistan cricket works.

  106. #106 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 8:06 PM

    What a match for Dwayne Bravo as West Indies defeated India.

    I wonder if panic bells are ringing in the Indian camp? West Indies have some good T20 players. Dhoni is facing a lot of flak for his performance today. Some people are also saying that his role is not defined properly in the batting order.

    I suppose India has done well enough to just take this as an exception. India should be able to beat a weakened but spirited England side on Sunday?

  107. #107 by Pawan on June 12, 2009 - 9:03 PM

    Khansahab

    Absolutely exhilarating stuff from that Calypso Mumbai Indian! Bravo, Bravo Bravo, What a player! He can do everything! Cant he?
    Bowls at a decent clip, bats like a man possessed. Did you see his lofted shots? Full-flow of the bat man! As is he is drawing an imaginary ellipse, just like Suresh Raina.

    This is indeed a tough situation for the Indians now. Unfortunately they don’t have anything to do now other than win and win handsomely. Well, the loss to WI was always on the cards. To be honest with you, I expected it. The team needed a wake up call. Unfortunately the wake-up call has left very little breathing space. They have to beat the South-AfriKas and the Pommies. Its not going to be easy, and they will realize it then how costly a match this was. I don’t have much hopes of India reaching the semi-finals now. But I am happy they lost the match fighting. There is not much one can do about the way Bravo played. If I would be Dhoni, I would tell guys to give their best, don’t expect anything, take one match at a time and show your talent, this T-20 is like an exhibition of talent and lets show the world the Indian curry.

    To the Indian fans I would like to say, just enjoy the two remaining matches as much as you can, as you never know kal ho na ho!

    Not to forget today’s match — WI Stun India! My memory takes me to 1983 when India Stunned WI. Cricket has come a long way for India. Had India won today, it would’ve been normal, but when India beat WI in 1983 world cup final, it was stunning! This in itself says a lot.

    To Dhoni I would say we are all proud of him and his side. It doesn’t matter if he has some off color days like these. It just takes one good performance to make the fickle minded realize what class is all about. Work hard, damn hard and positively enjoy the two remaining matches and give your best. No one can ask you to give more than you best, Can they?

  108. #108 by Awas on June 12, 2009 - 9:12 PM

    A total of about 150 is considered gettable these days. If WI could do it with relative ease at the end after batting themselves in then why couldn’t Pakistan do it? They really should have chased that total with ease as the pitch was pretty good and after a valiant effort by Younus.

    I see following reasons for Pakistan’s failure:

    Butt getting out with that silly shot so early.

    Akmal’s run out. That sort of run out can be pretty devastating at a juncture like that.

    That chucker, Salinga kept taking wickets at crucial times. Pakistanis found him difficult to play.

    A wasteful innings played by Misbah. He made Younus’ task harder.

    They should remember that all 11 players have a role to play.

  109. #109 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 9:16 PM

    Our newest blogger, Nasir Hayat of Dubai has written the following comment on the Interviews page. I am pasting it here in case someone misses it. Does anyone have any advice for Nasir? Abdul, maybe?

    hi i am nasirhayat.i want to join pakistani crickrt team as a allrounder so explain me how i join pakistan cricket team ,send me email about the all process for joining cricket team.

  110. #110 by Awas on June 12, 2009 - 9:19 PM

    khansahab

    Who is “our newest blogger, Nasir Hayat of Dubai”?

    I didn’t understand that???

  111. #111 by Awas on June 12, 2009 - 9:20 PM

    okay, I get it now.

  112. #112 by khansahab on June 12, 2009 - 9:21 PM

    Pawan

    You are too bighearted to take this defeat like this. Most others are fuming.

    I think India will be hurt because the momentum was with them. It is not over for them and I think they should beat England. What England did with Pakistan was a fluke and only Pakistan can be treated like that by England. Plus, India always play well against England.

    Dhoni should forget this match and just carry on doing what he was doing before this match. As you rightly said, it’s just a wake up call.

    Since 2 years the Indian team has been doing so well that you feel there is not a lot to comment about it. The reason why people say much more about Pakistan cricket is because there is so much wrong with the system in Pakistan. However, defeats like this give people a chance to talk about what went wrong and what needs to be done.

  113. #113 by Shoaib on June 13, 2009 - 1:17 AM

    Hi everyone,

    I dont know why you guys wasting your time here, Pakistan Cricket has been same from many decades (corrupted & full of favouritism) so nothing is going to change here anyway……India Pakistan is out of the world cup. Just a fraction of chance left for india, but Pakistan no chance and Younis should start thinking of execuses regarding his non serious joker comments with the start of the tournament.

  114. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 3:14 AM

    Awas that is Rani Abdul Mukerjee Bin Nasir 😀

  115. #115 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 3:25 AM

    I think, India will get a real tough time in their group especially from South Africa and the way South Africa are playing they look invincible. But, they carry with them the chokers tag. So, on big occasions they will choke. Hence, India really needs to play well against them otherwise their fielding and tight bowling will mesmerize them, especially that 19 year old Wayne Parnel is amazing, that kid has a robust physique of an athlete and for a left arm fast bowler his height and body frame is perfect. Our 17 year old Mohammad Aamer looks “Dhaan Paan” in front of him.He is South Africa’s future Allan Donald and Shaun Pollock.

    Its a shame that I couldn’t see the India / West Indies match and I was in such a hurry and also upset because of Pakistan’s defeat that, I did not wait for the prize ceremony and speeches and even forgot to tape the India WI match. And, these idiots are not showing any replay this time on top of that they have doubled the rates. The 2007 T20 WC was for CAD49.99 and this time it is CAD129.99 and there are 13.5% taxes.

  116. #116 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 3:30 AM

    khansahab

    I am also very happy to see that Abdul Qadir has exposed these “IF’s & BUTT’s, and it is about time that BUTT KI TASHREEF KA TOKRA should move towards the dumping site along with his paraphernalia, so that Imran Nazir is included in the T20 squad. What a waste of national talent because of politics. Had Imran Nazir and Abdul Razzaq were in the squad and they were playing in place of Salman Butt and Sohail Tanvir/Yasir Arafat things would have been different.

  117. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 3:35 AM

    Pawan

    You know your team better and your analysis are on the dot, what I see as an outsider is, Dhoni since he has promoted himself to number 3 ( may be emulating Ricky Ponting) he is not doing any justice to that position by getting out cheaply and that too quite frequently. I think that number 3 slot should go to Irfan Pathan, he is very good and plays some bold shots. Youvraj should play at number 4, ahead of Raina.

    Rohit Sharma didn’t play when it mattered most, if Sehwag was there, he always rises to the occasion and on big matches he plays a big innings. Rohit Sharma did what Kamran Akmal did today. Anyways, rest of the team is fine, they only need some fine tuning in batting order.

  118. #118 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 3:37 AM

    Shoaib

    We don’t waste time, we enjoy blabbering, welcome to the club of blabbers 😀

  119. #119 by khansahab on June 13, 2009 - 12:20 PM

    Saeed Ajmal turns down Somerset offer

    Saturday, June 13, 2009
    From our correspondent

    LONDON: Pakistan spinner Saeed Ajmal has turned down an offer to play for English county Somerset this summer.

    Ajmal said that he has decided against accepting the Somerset offer in a bid to focus on his international career with Pakistan.

    “I’ve just started my Pakistan career and want to make my bones as an international cricketer,” said Ajmal, who has become a key member of the Pakistan team in the ongoing World Twenty20 Championship in England because of his ability to take wickets.

    The Faisalabad-born Ajmal is yet to make his Test debut but has played ten One-day Internationals, taking eight wickets. He has so far played three Twenty20 Internationals, picking up six victims from them.

    Ajmal, 31, said that he has been approached by a couple of other counties, who want to sign him up as their overseas player.

    “I’m yet to make up my mind about the offers. There is a possibility that I might accept one of them at some later stage but it has to be good.”

  120. #120 by Pawan on June 13, 2009 - 12:47 PM

    Khansahab

    I am not at all bighearted. I am just speaking out my mind as a normal Indian fan. Of course I am also angry at the defeat, who isn’t? And you’ve rightly said that if we fans are not going to throw bricks at the players then how are they going to build their own palaces of improvement with those bricks. Anyway, I am pretty ordinary person who follows cricket like you guys do and I am happy over the team performance for the last two years since Dhoni has taken over and hence some glitches like the WI loss is allowed to them and that is why I wasn’t harsh. They are also after all, humans. But they’ve to know that we are also after all… humans 🙂

    Javed,

    Frankly speaking, I don’t consider you as an outsider. I think you must be knowing the Indian cricket much more than an average Indian fan, so that qualifies you as an expert.

    About Dhoni coming in at no.3, well, he scored the highest by an Indian 183 n.o against Sri-Lanka and also some massive 150+ something coming in at no.3. So it is his favored position. Its just that he is lacking one big innings. I think the reason he is coming in at that position is because he wants to be the sheet anchor and guide the chase or get the team to a decent total. Also he coming in at that position helps him to analyze the pitch so that when he lines up his bowlers, which are frankly speaking quite a few, he will have a better idea of whom to give how many overs. He seems to be a man who wants to control his own destiny.

    But your argument is right, when not opening with Sehwag, India does lack that sucker punch and hence an Irfan Pathan would not be a bad idea for coming in at no.3. So that even if he loses his wicket, it won’t be a big deal. But if he plays a blinder, then the teams off to an excellent start.

    Shucks, its Pak v.s NZ today! The matches are coming in thick and fast. I didn’t realize that.

    Good Luck!

  121. #121 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 1:25 PM

    Pawan

    On Dhoni playing at number 3, I am talking purely about T20 and not about a 50 over game or a test match where it is a different ball game altogether and he can settle in there at number 3 permanently. I don’t know if you have noticed that Dhoni, since he became the captain doesn’t play those big shots so frequently, he has improved his shots and keeps his body under control (not too many body jerks that he used to give to himself) doesn’t fall off on the sides after hitting. Remember his leg glance which used to go very fine on the leg side, which he doesn’t play anymore. It is good because that was not a very elegant shot to play besides, creating too much stress on the body.

    khansahab

    What is Ajmal saying? In one of the opening paragraphs he says, “Ajmal said that he has decided against accepting the Somerset offer in a bid to focus on his international career with Pakistan. “I’ve just started my Pakistan career and want to make my bones as an international cricketer.” AND, then he negates is by saying: “I’m yet to make up my mind about the offers. There is a possibility that I might accept one of them at some later stage but it has to be good.”

    Basically he is talking about money and all that BS about I have just started my career and want to make my bones……. is for what? These guys have no brains, they don’t know what they talk about, in one breath they say something and in the next they negate it, it doesn’t make any sense to me.

    Right now SA is cruising comfortably 113/2 in 11 overs………. So who will be the winner?
    😀

    I think Gayle should have batted after winning the toss, its a bad decision anyways time will tell.

  122. #122 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 1:28 PM

    The reason I have said its a bad decision by Gayle to field first after winning the toss is because, South Africans field well and bowl well and batting second Gayle would be putting his team under too much pressure, whereas, the South Africans chokes when batting second, especially in a crunch match.

  123. #123 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 4:23 PM

    New Zealand won the toss and elected to bat first after seeing SA posting 180 plus and the bad news for Pakistan is Vittorri is back in the squad but, the good news is Ross Taylor is still injured.

    From Pakistan’s point of view, Shahzaib is in and BUTT is OUT, so is Razzaq, he is in and Tanvir is out.

    Vittorri thinks they can score 180 plus
    Younus Khan thinks he can restrict them to 140-150

    The game is on, lets see what happens in the next 3 hours.

    When Younus Khan said in the beginning that even if we reach the semi-finals it will be some achievement. This is a negative statement, if you can’t be optimistic, don’t speak simply shut up. Because, this is not just about you but, about the morale of the whole team. By giving such statements you are showing that you have no faith in yourself and in the team.

    Anyways, this is a must win match for Pakistan and then beat, Ireland with good margin to avoid the net run rate calculations.

  124. #124 by Pawan on June 13, 2009 - 4:40 PM

    Razzaq strikes in his first over!

  125. #125 by Pawan on June 13, 2009 - 5:12 PM

    array! sab log so gaye kya??
    Pak is winning the match handsomely and no noise @ Legslip?

    Come on guys.

  126. #126 by Awas on June 13, 2009 - 5:58 PM

    What a performance!

    Omer Gul could be man of the tournament with his haul of wickets.

  127. #127 by Awas on June 13, 2009 - 6:03 PM

    Javed

    After beating NZ if Pakistan beats Ireland too then NRR doesn’t matter as Pakistan will be through. Any team that beats two teams out of three in the group is through.

  128. #128 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 6:03 PM

    NO Pawan, not sleeping but glued to the TV.

    What a fantastic bowling performance by Umer Gul, first 5 wickets haul in T20 by any bowler in the world. It seems like 100 runs is an easy target for Pakistan, but cricket is a funny game, I won’t relax till they win the match.

    Catch of the tournament by Shahid Afridi
    not that he ran 40 meters to get the catch but, the way he applied the brakes and posed for the fans was amazing. He bowled very well, fielded well and now it is time for Pakistan to take advantage of the situation and win this match comfortably so that they have more confidence when they play Ireland.

    The first few good overs make such a difference between winning and losing. Yesterday Tanvir horrible first two overs compared with today’s Razzaq’s first 2 overs made the difference.

    Similarly in batting they have to perform now and get a good start. Abdul Razzaq’s inclusion will add strength in the late order batting, hopefully that may not be needed today.

    Mohammad Aamir must learn to get back to stumps to collect the ball for run outs, after bowling he is somewhere in the middle of the pitch, he should look at what Razzaq did? After delivering the ball, he came back to the stumps to collect the ball and Vittorri was out, otherwise in 9 more deliveries 15-20 runs could have been added by Vittorri.

  129. #129 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 6:08 PM

    Yes, Awas you are right but, what if New Zealand beats Sri Lanka on June 15th ?

    In order to be the bowler of the tournament for Umer Gul Pakistan needs to reach the final.

  130. #130 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 6:10 PM

    Agar Pakistan 100 run na banaye tou laanat hai, they deserve to be playing only against minnows. Anyways, Pakistan’s innings is about to start so laterzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  131. #131 by Awas on June 13, 2009 - 6:36 PM

    Shahzaib is definitely a better choice than Butt and looks a good prospect.

  132. #132 by Awas on June 13, 2009 - 7:03 PM

    Javed

    It’s good to see Akhroat playing a good innings and not blasting every ball.

    Good move by Younus to promote him after his good performance with the ball and in the field.

  133. #133 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 7:14 PM

    Shahzaib is definitely a T20 material, but what our Malak Saab did today? When 30 runs were needed and 3 wickets were down – two in quick succession – he played a nothing shot, stretched his legs and scooped the ball into McCullum’s hands.

    Anyways, a win is a win and they won the match comfortably.

  134. #134 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 7:21 PM

    Pawan

    Good luck to you and India against England tomorrow. You wrote before India / West Indies match that it is India Vs. Chris Gayle, but he failed and it was Bravo. Tomorrow it would be India vs. Kevin Pietersen or should I say Yuvraj vs. England?

  135. #135 by khansahab on June 13, 2009 - 8:30 PM

    What a performance from Gul and Afridi. Two players I singled out as key players in this Cup for Pakistan and how they are delivering!

    Afridi’s contribution is much more than his figures reflect. In most games Afridi has taken the first wicket and then Ajmal and Gul seem to feed off Afridi’s success.

    Younis Khan has definitely showed his T20 potential. One wonders if captaincy has something to do with it. He has never batted like this in a T20 tournament before, international or domestic.

    Daniel Vettori said in the press conference that he has never seen the ball reverse swing after 12 overs. Some people think it was an insinuation that Gul might have been tampering with the ball. Vettori is wrong because Gul has made the old ball reverse swing in almost every T20 he has bowled in.

    Malik is out of form. I think Ajmal’s inclusion has seriously affected Malik’s posiition in the team. Qadir has been embittered but he made a pretty strong statement that Malik is now redundant because of Ajmal in the team.

  136. #136 by Shoaib on June 13, 2009 - 9:15 PM

    Javed Khan

    I am happy that Pakistan team proved me wrong and i am happy to be proved wrong each and every time but still need to do much in batting performance….specially infront of Srilanka and South Africa Pak team looks like a they are on kiddy ride…….Just a quick question to Javed sahab…..in one of the comments you are something like this: ”Sala Ch2So4 he never uses his akhroat brain when he comes to bat” i just couldnt understand first 2 words, if you could help me plz

  137. #137 by Shoaib on June 13, 2009 - 9:16 PM

    i mean you wrote something like that….. :))

  138. #138 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 13, 2009 - 9:29 PM

    Finally a great display by Pakistan.

    Somebody should tell Daniel Vettori that when he was not even born, Sarfaraz Nawaz and Imran Khan and later on when he was in his craddle, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis were reverse swinging the ball and all and sundry were using the same language, nay even accusing all Pakistani bowlers whom they can not face of ball-tampering openly and when under duress, the Pakistani bowlers had to unravel the secret of reverse swing and they learned and later on used it and won the Ashes, they acclaimed it as an ART and their bowlers bacame HEROES overnight.

    Now, thanks to people like Wasim Akram, who would do anything for money, every other bowler can reverse swing the ball. Its no big deal anymore.

    And in England, the ball tends to swing, as far as I know!

    Now, coming to domestic affairs. I am not trying to be ” I told you so.” But, not Butt, lol, Abdul Qadir, as far as I know has been an honest guy. LS bloggers should support him. Remember, I suggested a long time ago that he should be made Chief Selector since he has no bias and is a much more fair person?

    Javed Miandad is undoubtedly the second best batsman Pakistan has produced (after Hanif Mohammad) but he lacks the skill to manage the affairs of such a large and complex organisation as PCB.

    Again, my proposal will jump you guys off your seats!!

    How about ASIF IQBAL as CHAIRMAN of PCB ?

    No one is more suited than him. He has a proven record as the most successful organiser of CBFS of Sharja.

    Lalit Modi and others comes second-best.

    Eagerly awaiting your comments.

  139. #139 by khansahab on June 13, 2009 - 10:07 PM

    I want to make a comment regarding Sanjay Manjrekar.

    Today his commentary was so supportive of Pakistan. Many Pakistanis on blogs and forums are discussing this.

    He was constantly praising Afridi and Gul, and he spoke wonderfully about this talented and unpredictable side. When Afridi was batting and playing good shots, he kept saying that only if Afridi played like that more often. And when Pakistan kept taking NZ wickets he kept saying the following:

    “This is why you need Pakistan playing world cricket, playing in international cricket.”

    “They bring something truly exceptional, something very pure, rustic.”

    “Why we need Pakistan playing international cricket constantly is because of the world class talent that they continue to have.”

    Hats off to you, Mr Manjrekar.

  140. #140 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 10:22 PM

    “When I first was appointed as selector I said then we should have two captains but they didn’t listen to me. I would’ve asked Younis to step down from ODI and Twenty20 cricket and made Shahid Afridi captain in both formats. I would’ve kicked Shoaib Malik out of the side totally because I noticed in Dubai that he is conspiring and forming cliques against Younis.” ABDUL QADIR.

    I have been saying this for almost 4 years that Malik is a Meesna and he plays petty politics and creates divisions and fractions in the team and later khansahab joined me in my raving and ranting after observing Malik’s trivialities and his jingoism. Now, so many people have observed and Abdul Qadir has openly said this in his press conference and it is also in black and white on cricinfo. I am glad that people are beginning to see what we have been saying since ages.

  141. #141 by Varun Suri on June 13, 2009 - 10:31 PM

    What a win by Pakistan!! This will surely boost the confidence of both the players and the fans. This is so typical of Pakistan as they thrashed NZ yet again en-route to semi-finals of a World Cup. Gul’s reverse swing and now Afridi also looking to stay at the crease for some more time and finally some useful changes made in the Team which instantly showed results. I still believe they could draft in Imran Nazir and then probably the only weak link which is the Top-Order batting could be improved upon.

    As far as India is concerned things are not looking good as it were probably 2 years ago with Sehwag not being around his absence will surely be felt by the Kaptaan. They have probably made their task more difficult by losing against the WI as now they have to beat both Eng and SA or hope for some upsets which could lead to the run-rate factor et al….Interestingly last time round also they faced a similar situation against SA/Eng, Whether they will be able to pull it off this time also only time will tell…

    SA and Srilanka are favourites now…unless until others cause a few upsets!!

  142. #142 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 10:48 PM

    Kasim Sahab

    I won’t bring Asif Iqbal in the current system, because the new system needs new faces, Asif Iqbal was very much involved (and still is) with Abdul Rahman Bukhatir and the CBFS in Sharjah and that whole organization was tainted and accused of betting, match fixing scandals and what not. He is a fine gentleman good understanding of the game and good analysis, good comments, but don’t give others any opportunity to raise their fingers at him (if he is the Chairman) and the PCB which must be a clean organization. I would like to bring an outsider like Dr. Nasim Ashraf, a competent, qualified, educated, dedicated and honest Chairman for the PCB.

    As regards Wasim Akram you have said it, that he can do anything for money. Besides, he is a very biased person. Today, when Fawad Alam charged, picked up a ball and threw it at the stumps (the bowler Mohammad Aamer was not there) and the back up fielder Umer Gul misfield the ball which resulted in a single. Wasim Akram, immediately pounced at these two by saying, ” I cannot understand how Fawad Alam and Umer Gul cannot bend their backs and do some good fielding and this morning I was talking to Shoaib Malik who is the best fielder in the side……………..” he couldn’t complete his sentence and Fawad Alam took a splendid catch in the same position to get rid of Brenden McCullum off Abdul Razzaq and Wasim Akram did not bring the subject to discussion.

    The point is he never misses a single opportunity to criticize Fawad Alam, Gul, Afridi and try to cover the blemishes of Malik, Akmal, Butt, Misbah etc. When the match started the other commentator asked Wasim what do you think of Abdul Razzaq’s inclusion in the team? He said, ‘positive, very positive.’ Two days ago he was defending Sohail Tanvir by saying, “Younus Khan must realize that Tanvir is a match winner and he should not be dropped because of a few bad performances, because he is a match winner and his lean patch is temporary and everyone goes through it.” Whereas, while commenting on Shahid Afridi’s batting he had different views, he never said he is a match winner and he kept saying Afridi’s batting has gone from bad to worst, “he “clow” his eyes and play shats.” Today, when Afridi was batting well, Manjrekar and Bishop both were praising but, Akram when he came did not say a word of praise. Earlier when Afridi took that amazing catch of Styris, every single commentator praised it except for Wasim Akram.

  143. #143 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 13, 2009 - 11:03 PM

    Varun

    Absolutely right about Sehwag’s absence he was also a useful part-time bowler, a partnership breaker. And, he is a man who raises on big occasions unlike Rohit Sharma, although I have nothing against Rohit, he is a fine player but like Kamran Akmal he doesn’t score when it is needed.

    As regards Imran Nazir, thanks to the PCB Chairman Ijaz Wadee Butt, he has refused to include him in the team because, in a domestic match Nazir hit the bat on the ground against umpire’s decision and Butt said, we cannot tolerate such indiscipline. And, I have asked Butt what about Shoaib Akhtar’s indiscipline when he beat Asif in the dressing room with a cricket bat? He should have been banned for life, but they kept bring him back. And what about Asif? He was caught with drugs, he was tested positive for drugs, he is banned for one year and Butt was saying lets pay off Asif’s fines and reduces his penalties and bring him back, because we don’t have good bowlers in the side.! What a MF Bxxxxxd.

    Pakistan has been loosing T20’s because of poor batting, so far the bowlers have been doing well. Had this target been 140-150 they would have been under pressure. Now, do you think Umar Gul can repeat this performance in every single match he plays?

    I said, this before when Chris Gayle played a match winning knock against Australia that he will not play like that in this tournament again and that’s it,
    against India it was Bravo. So, Pakistan should not rely on one person or just a couple of players but almost everyone must chip in. The new kid on the block Shahzaib Hasan Khan is good find and he was unlucky to get run out like that, but I am sure he will be making a positive impact in the team. Pakistan needs dashing openers and T20 is about dashing openers and big hitters and not players like Salman Butt.

  144. #144 by khansahab on June 13, 2009 - 11:48 PM

    Javed A Khan

    You are totally right about Wasim Akram. Despite my exams I have managed to watch all Pakistan’s matches except their bowling vs Neither-land and Wasim Akram is a really biased commentator.

    That comment about Afridi was uncalled for, when he said that Afridi is closing his eyes and playing shots. That comment caught on as today a spectator had a sign up that read, “Afridi can you see the ball”? I am not saying Afridi is above any criticism because his batting is disappointing, but for a former great player and mentor to say this about someone who is more than adequately performing with the ball and as a fielder, is a bit harsh and demoralising.

    The point is, when will people realise Afridi is just playing as a bowler? His batting is a special case and he is only sent above the tail so that he can make 20 quick runs for the team.

    Wasim has also been totally dismissive of Fawad Alam. Today when Fawad fielded well on the boundary, Akmal applauded and the crowd acknowledged it but Wasim kept quiet. And I saw that remark about Fawad’s wide throw and Gul misfielding.
    In one of the earlier games Wasim called Butt, “the best fielder in the Pakistan side”. Today he called Malik the best fielder. Malik fumbled a couple of times in the field but he didn’t say anything.

    I think Pakistan needs more principled people like Qadir who will resign from a position rather than stay there, get themselves insulted and watch the politics. When Younis Khan turned down captaincy, everyone was disappointed because he was being groomed to lead, but in one way people also respected him- that this guy will not take any BS. Miandad is also like that- he has resigned in the past when he has been insulted.

    Although Qadir took a dig at Younis too, his main criticism was directed at Malik. If you think about when Malik threw away the domestic match, if he is capable of doing that he is capable of playing high level politics and causing a lot of mayhem.

  145. #145 by Varun Suri on June 14, 2009 - 12:24 AM

    Dear khansahab,

    Despite struggling to watch most of the games live on internet even i have noticed the biased nature of WasimChakram i wonder if there are similar sentiments shared and discussed by more people in the blogosphere or somewhere in the media? Why are such views not reaching him? Surely he must be follwoing what people think of him now or atleast someone must have ticked him for his apparent biased attitude which has led to so many fans and followers of him like you, Javed and many others including myself beginning to dislike his strange behaviour and to some the UN-Patriotic behaviour, surely if i was a Pakistani i would not have appreciated some of the things he has been doing lately…..

    While i totally agree with you about his biased commentary on Afridi and others, you raised a very valid point…

    When will people realise Afridi is just playing as a bowler?

    I think the answer to this question is our religion and that is Cricket!! I mean just like people have made Gods of Sachins and and now Dhoni’s in India I am sure after some of the things he has done on the Cricket Pitch there is a cult of Afridism in and outside Pakistan which demands from him to repeat those heroic acts which are not enough to satisy the insatiable thirst of the people. Barring the politics within the team if he gets a chance as an opener i am sure everybody desires or wants another 45 or a 37 ball 100!! Generally speaking this is a common trait of our subcontinent where you can become a ZERO from a HERO in no time for eg. WasimChakram!

  146. #146 by Awas on June 14, 2009 - 12:48 AM

    khansahab

    Amongst the Asian commentators (the only one) Sanjay Manjrekar has been my favorite for a long time. He is very unbiased. In his company, Ramiz also comments well but Sanjay Manjrekar is way better, as they both crack good jokes sometimes.

    Once Sanjay Manjrekar paid a great accolade to Imran Khan on presenting a programme called “Legends of Cricket”. He said, that one cricketer that he would like to become in second life, if there is such thing, is Imran Khan. He could have chosen any cricketer in the world but he chose Imran.

  147. #147 by Awas on June 14, 2009 - 1:08 AM

    Omer

    Just like Younus Khan, many people would have written off Kallis as a T20 player as well. Kallis is like Younus as well and was never considered a T20 player. He was even dropped for some of the ODI’s as well in the past. Both are class test players. But as consolidators those two have been perhaps the best in this T20 tournament so far.

    Whereas SA have been doing consistently well because of not only Kallis but all 11 players have contributed but when it comes to Pakistan, although Younus has played his role well as a consolidator the other batsmen such as openers and Malik and Misbah haven’t. That’s where the problem lies. Whereas Pakistan’s bowling has been pretty good.

  148. #148 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 10:02 AM

    Varun

    Good observation. A lot of people in India think Wasim is a modern, broad minded guy who respects India etc because he praises India so often and practically lives there. If he was doing it with a genuine intention, that would be OK but he is after glamour and money. He has absolutely no concern either for India or for Pakistan- he can still make a lot of money doing shows in Pakistan and offering to coach, but why does he have to go to India? Paisa.
    Like when he had a few sessions which Irfan Pathan- after that Pathan’s bowling changed. I am not saying Pathan is not talented, but whatever Wasim did must have had some effect. And then he also had sessions with Zaheer, RP and Ashish Nehra. The point is that he was doing it because he wanted to be the coach, not because he wanted these players to perform. He was then asked if he would consider coaching India and he said, “I will do it if the price is right”. And then BCCI appointed Prasad as the bowling coach, for probably half the money Akram must have been demanding.

    I have said before that having no loyalties is worse than not being loyal to your own country.

    His commentary is very biased. Firstly he doesn’t know the rules of commentary. What non Pakistanis will not understand is how he protects certain players and then demoralises other players, but what they will understand is his unprofessionalism. For instance, in that match against Sri Lanka the English commentator was getting excited when Dilshan was hammering Tanvir and Gul, but Wasim kept saying, “How can I be happy watching this….I want Pakistan to win……..” The point is that he can’t say something like that. A commentator has to be totally neutral and he can’t say, “I want X to win”. He should have been penalised in some way for saying that.

    Javed A Khan

    I agree about Ramiz. If you think about that T20 match which Malik threw, and then Ramiz interviewed him, not only was Malik arrogant at that time but he also insulted Ramiz. He was giving Ramiz no eye contact and he seemed to have no respect while talking to his senior. If I was Ramiz I would detest Malik for it, but rather Ramiz has become Malik’s protector.

    Also, about T20 players, even though we can accept that players like Younis or Kallis can perform in T20, there are also players like Shahzaib Hasan who are T20 players. In my opinion a T20 batsman is someone who can start hitting without having the opportunity to get settled. However great Younis or Kallis might be, they are not expert hitters and they need at least 15 balls to get settled before they can hit.

  149. #149 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 11:27 AM

    Ready to wallop

    A young talented all-rounder for Pakistan, Fawad Alam needs no introduction. He was part of the Pakistani squad in the Twenty20 World Cup in 2007, held in South Africa, and contributed his share to the victory of Pakistan against New Zealand in the semi final.

    Alam emerged on the domestic cricket arena in the 2006 national Twenty20 tournament where he bagged every major award, including the Man of the Series and Man of the Final, and guided his team to the championship. For the World Twenty 20 in England, Alam is optimistic about Pakistan’s chances to win the trophy and he shares the same in an exclusive interview.

    Q: People remember your performance in the National Twenty20 Cup in 2006, which earned you a spot in the national team. But you haven’t reproduced that kind of performance ever since?

    A: It is difficult to deliver such a performance in every match, and when you are mostly on tour with the national team, you rarely get a chance to participate in domestic tournaments. But I think I have performed well and have given my best since. I was the Best Batsman of the Quaid-i-Azam Trophy this year. So whenever an opportunity comes my way I avail it to the fullest and try my best to give it my all.

    Q: Even though you are a part of the national squad in the limited overs format, you are rarely featured in the playing-11?

    A: Team selection is entirely in the hands of the captain, and he does what is best for the team. And I am hopeful that I will be given this opportunity in England this year. But even if I am not, I am still part of the team.

    Q: Out of all the expert all-rounders in the present squad, who do you think is your toughest competitor in terms of you finding a spot in the team?

    A: There is no competition with team-mates. They are all my seniors and are far more experienced than I am. It is an honour to play along with them as there is a lot for me to learn. But like I said, it is all in the hands of the captain.

    Q: Have you ever been to England before? Do you have any idea about the playing conditions there?

    A: With the Pakistan cricket team, this would be my first tour. Previously, I have played league cricket in England for three years. The weather there is very different. But in June and July, the wickets are hard and good for batting. However, I can’t be too sure because I am going there after a span of two years.

    Q: You played under both Shoaib Malik and Younus Khan. Who do you think makes the better captain?

    A: I saw no major difference, except that they both have their distinctive styles. The team has always delivered its best under both of them. Last time around, it was under Shoaib Bhai that we reached the finals of the event. This year, it is Younus Bhai. As Younus Bhai is senior to Shoaib Malik, this time around, we are aiming to win the World Cup.

    Q: Any special team plans for the World Twenty20?

    A: Yes, definitely. We have worked really hard and prepared ourselves well for the event. We had a camp, some practice matches at the domestic level and in England we will have some international Twenty20 matches to warm up before the event. Then we will start fresh and will bring the World Cup home.

  150. #150 by Awas on June 14, 2009 - 11:49 AM

    Javed/Omer

    I never implied Kallis or Younus are specialist T20 players or good T20 players. The emphasis was on consolidators which I highlighted as well. The point was one or two consolidators are needed in every team, which Omer and I often make, and not to have all bits and pieced players. Omer also mentioned how NZ team made of bits and pieces players crumbled against Pakistan.

    In four matches Kallis has aggregated 174, the highest total for his team even though there are much better specialist T20 players and he consolidated at a decent strike-rate of 130. Despite his deficiency in not been able to play variety of cricketing shots, his contribution for his team’s successes has been very valuable and that’s the point.

    Again for Pakistan Younus has aggregated 138 in four matches, the highest for his team at a strike rate of 142. The point is one or two consolidators are necessary and not all hit and miss players. For Pakistan, currently I only see two such consolidators, Younus and Mohamed Yousuf and hopefully Fawad one day if he starts batting up the order (not Maliks and Misbahs). However, Younus gets a clear preference over Yousaf because of his better fielding and being a motivator.

    On commentators what I said was:

    “Amongst the Asian commentators (the only one) Sanjay Manjrekar has been my favorite for a long time. He is very unbiased. In his company, Ramiz also comments well but Sanjay Manjrekar is way better, as they both crack good jokes sometimes”.

    Clearly unbiased was only for Manjrekar. Ramiz was just that he comments well especially in Manjrekar’s company. Two different things.

    When I mentioned that Ian Chappell was right in saying that Afridi had completely lost his touch in batting whereas his bowling has really improved then that was pretty fair comment. The reason we consider the likes of Boycott and Nasir Hossein the best because they always make fair comment and criticise or appreciate a player’s performance on merit.

    It really doesn’t bother me when some of them criticise Afridi for his batting (they all appreciate his bowling, by the way, even Wasim) or praise Malik unnecessarily. Because, if someone like Wasim calls Butt, “the best fielder in the Pakistan side” or criticising Fawad Alam for his little fumble then it is plainly laughable for any intelligent observer. The contrast between the two players was amply clear to even a non-expert like me when I said in comment (number 47) “Having seen that last match in the ground, other than his batting, Butt seemed a liability on the filed whereas Fawad was a fresh and pleasant change and looked the part in the field”.

  151. #151 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    Can Ireland pull out a win here today? A lot depends on how they play Mendis and Murali, but they bowled well and fielded superbly except for the last ball dropped catch of Mendis of the bowling of Alex Cusak who could have got his 5th wicket. Nonetheless, the Irish restricted them to only 144 and it is an achievable total.

    If they beat Sri Lanka then, the round would be a very interesting one with points getting divided. And, there is one thing for sure, if they play well today and win their confidence may be very high but, they cannot repeat the same performance against Pakistan tomorrow, because this is one of those once in a while performances that don’t happen everyday.

    Shahid Afridi has played in Ireland for a while and he is practically unplayable against the minnows of lately against the best teams too but, we have already seen how good he was against Netherlands 4/11 Umar Gul can be lethal too 5/6.

  152. #152 by Q on June 14, 2009 - 2:13 PM

    If Ireland do win then it will make the last 2 matches of this group virtual quarterfinals with the winners of Pak v Ire and SL v NZ going through to the semis.

  153. #153 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 2:16 PM

    Lawson recently gave an interview in which he praised Nasim Ashraf for his duties as PCB Chairman.

    He also said the following about Shoaib Akhtar:

    Akhtar was totally unprofessional as a cricketer, he trained when he felt like it, didnt contribute to the team, I couldnt think of a more unprofessional player, which is a pity as he is such a talented player”.

    “Akhtar is using 5% of his natural talent and was being disruptive to the other members of the team”

    “It wouldnt matter how good he was, if he wasnt contributing to the team and not a team player he wouldnt even get a place in any Australian club side”.

  154. #154 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 2:19 PM

    So what we have been saying about Akhtar has been confirmed by Lawson, an outsider who can comment without any biases.

    What a pity politics has made Pakistan pick Akhtar repeatedly when he has been a liability and has been putting the team morale down.

    I said many times on Pakspin that with this attitude Akhtar would not even get a place in an English or Australian club side.

  155. #155 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2009 - 2:36 PM

    LOL Awas at your explanation, yar I never meant to corner you or take sides with Omer in saying what I have said about Kallis. But, to be very honest Kallis has never impressed me and when I saw him in the SA side this time, I said, there you go he will play a different cricket and there won’t be any entertainment. He doesn’t go for big shots like Smith, Gibbs or AB Devil…..

    Right now the Irish are defying the Lankans and not throwing their wicket because they know they can achieve the target.

    The England India match is a semi-final decider whichever team wins goes to the semi-final and the other goes out.

  156. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    khansahab

    This was bound to come out sooner or later, I mean what Lawson said about Akhtar. We all know that Akhtar is a pathetic loser and media hyped up his every little move, be it his fastest ball or his suspect bowling action, his involvement in drugs, his outside the field life (some of them unjustifiably blown out of proportion) and his character i.e., his attitude towards younger players nothing is good. His attitude towards foreign coaches i.e., Bob Woolmer and Jeff Lawson, he never showed any respect towards them like he never showed any respect to the new young fast bowlers, only talked and boasted about his paltry achievements.

  157. #157 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2009 - 3:01 PM

    According to Harshe Bhogle and Anil Kumble the commentators at the moment are saying: For India it is a do or die game whereas, for England it is not because they still have to play against West Indies.

    But, India also have a match against South Africa.

  158. #158 by Q on June 14, 2009 - 3:05 PM

    If India lose they are out as that will send South Africa into the semis and the other one will be the winner of England vs West Indies.

    If England lose then they will have to beat West Indies and hope that South Africa beat India – that way net run rate will decide who goes through between England, WI, and India.

    Hence it is a do or die for India, but not really for England.

  159. #159 by Q on June 14, 2009 - 3:07 PM

    Also whoever wins today between India and England do not guarantee a position in the semi final.. cos it will be either team’s first win..

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2009 - 3:32 PM

    Inexperienced Ireland have are unable to beat the experienced spin duo of Sri Lanka, I don’t think they can win this match as the asking run rate is very high now.

    As regards the point tables, Sri Lanka are at the top with New Zealand number two on better run rate than Pakistan and Ireland at the bottom.

    Both, New Zealand and Pakistan have to play a match. WHAT IF?

    What if New Zealand beats Sri Lanka despite Pakistan beating Ireland tomorrow can they still get in to the semis? They have to beat Ireland with a big, big margin to improve their NRR.

  161. #161 by Q on June 14, 2009 - 3:43 PM

    In T20 the net run rate fluctates very quickly with every match.. so we don’t have to win by that big a margin.. Pakistan is at +0.74 and then can improve that to over +1.00 with their win against Ireland.

    SL before this match was on +0.95 and that will not change by that much cos its a small win against Ireland..

    NZ is on +0.94 and if they beat Sri Lanka, there’s a possibility that Sri Lanka’s net run rate will fall even lower than Pakistan’s…

    Hence I think we are in a good position as long as we beat Ireland tomorrow.

  162. #162 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2009 - 3:43 PM

    LASITH MALINGA IS A BIG CHUCKER, I WONDER HOW EVERYONE CAN TURN A BLIND EYE TOWARDS HIS JERK BOWLING?

  163. #163 by Q on June 14, 2009 - 3:49 PM

    Sri Lanka’s net run rate is now below Pakistan’s and New Zealand’s.

    So if Pakistan beat Ireland and New Zealand beat Sri Lanka, then Pakistan and New Zealand will go through!

    Pakistan is safe now as long as they beat Ireland.

  164. #164 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2009 - 3:50 PM

    Margin of win by Sri Lanka against Ireland is only 9 runs. Although the Irish lost but they gave jitters to the Lankans, even in the penultimate over of Kulasekra had the free hit been availed for a six or a four the target in the last over would have been easier. But, they couldn’t score fast in the middle overs against the spinners.

    Anyways, nervous Indian team shall be playing the next game…………..

    I think we need to do a SPECIAL THREAD on Malinga’s illegal bowling. The Sri Lankan commentator’s keep praising his yorkers but, look at him from the side, there is so much jerk in his arm and any kid can throw that way.

  165. #165 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 4:01 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Since Pakspin days I think most of us have been condemning Malinga’s ridiculous action. In my opinion it doesn’t matter whether these bending angles or anything else proves a point, if to the naked eye a bowler is exercising an unfair advantage, he should be banned or his action changed. I used to say the same thing about Akhtar when he used to bowl fast, that it used to appear like he is chucking.

    I know there is all this argument about hyperextension, which is a natural phenomenon and supposedly explains why Akhtar and Murali and Malinga “bend” their arms while bowling. Still, Malinga’s action is clearly unacceptable. He can only play T20 cricket because he uses so much force to chuck that in ODI’s or Tests he gets injured.

    When Hair no-balled Murali for being a chucker, he got bad press because Murali’s action was cleared by the ICC. After that umpires are too scared to report a Sri Lankan for chucking. I never liked Murali’s action, the way he jerks his arm results in extra spin and that is the reason why no OFF spinner has ever been able to spin it like that. If you think about who can spin it more, leg spinners can spin more because they use the wrist which is more flexible and which turns more easily. Off spinners use their fingers to spin the ball, but Murali uses his jerk. When Murali spins it, he spins more than any legspinner, barring Shane Warne.

  166. #166 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 14, 2009 - 4:31 PM

    khansahab

    Let this T2 WC be over and we are definitely going to do an exclusive thread on Malinga’s action and will call every blogger around to comment on that. After seeing him bowl like that in every match I feel bad about other bowlers who are genuine and it is so difficult to bowl fast with a high arm up action.

    I do agree with you and I have said it myself so many times that Shoaib Akhtar’s fast ones were not genuine, he applies jerk. Murali, the less you talk about him the better it is, because he has taken so many wickets in test and ODI and they already worship him like a deity and is a living legend in Sri Lanka.

  167. #167 by Awas on June 14, 2009 - 4:43 PM

    Javed

    🙂

    The difference between SL and Ireland was Mahela Jayewardene’s innings. Again a text-book style player that one would consider as equal to Younus, Kallis, Chanderpaul etc who are in the T20 right now. Without his valuable innings, the Irish would have won, such is the importance of a balanced batting line up. Of these four test match style players mentioned, only Chanderpaul is having a lean patch and in my view one would have though he is probably better suited to T20 as he plays with an unorthodox style.

    Javed and khansahab

    I do find Malinga’s action quite infuriating too. I was listening to the radio commentary on this match and most commentators including Alec Stewart were adamant that he bowls with completely straight arm, so they said hence his action is perfectly legal. I really don’t think so much emphasis should be given to bowling with straight arm. Before, the degree of bending was relaxed by ICC they found every single bowler in the world illegal except Ramnaresh Sarwan. So, on this matter my thoughts are like what I said in the previous thread which was as follows:

    ICC rules are simply crass on deciding what degree of elbow bending should be allowed when bowling, something that is impossible to measure on the field. What does it matter whether its 15 degrees or 20? As long as a ball is over arm then to a naked eye it looks perfectly normal. What doesn’t however look normal is what that Malinga the Slinga bowls. To a novice like me “this is not cricket”.

  168. #168 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 6:21 PM

    Omer

    I don’t know what the technical definition of “chucking” is- to me it looks like his arm is “bent” when he throws the ball like a slingshot.

    I know you don’t think there’s anything wrong with his action. Whether you call it chucking, bending, throwing or jerking, his action is ridiculous. If that controversy with Murali hadn’t happened they would have banned Malinga from international cricket.

  169. #169 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 7:56 PM

    It’s almost unbelievable. India are out and my sympathies with the Indian fans.

    The commentator said Sidebottom bowled well in the last over but I thought he bowled really badly. He was trying to bowl a yorker every ball and bowled 2 full tosses.

    As I am writing this I still can’t believe a team that won last time didn’t even reach the semis. But this is what T20 cricket is about. It could have happened to any top team.

    I think there was slight complacency in the Indian psyche after they beat Pakistan.

  170. #170 by Awas on June 14, 2009 - 7:57 PM

    As I said before, I wouldn’t be surprised if both India and Pakistan don’t go beyond the Super 8 stage. India is now out, so let’s see what Pakistan do. After a spirited performance from the Irish today, they are capable of doing another special against Pakistan too. So, let’s see.

    Javed which star gazer had told you that that India and Pakistan would be in the final again 🙂 T20 is a lottery!

  171. #171 by Awas on June 14, 2009 - 8:44 PM

    Pawan and Varun

    Nasser Hussein made a good point that Dhoni made a tactical error by sending Jadeja before the big hitters Youraj, Dohoni and Pathan. Jadeja faced 35 deliveries for his 25 and it wasn’t his fault he said he played best to his ability. If however one of the three hard hitters had come before him then things could have become easier for later on. I thought Nasser Hussein made a good point.

    After having some easy games in their easy group, India couldn’t deliver when it really mattered against some tough teams. Do you guys think IPL had some adverse effect on India?

    I think last time Pakistan and India had it easy because T20 hadn’t really caught on with other major teams. Now all top 8 teams are looking equally solid.

  172. #172 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 8:49 PM

    Awas

    Did you see Collingwood make that remark about the Indian crowd? He said that he found it very strange that Indians were booing them at home. Indians booed Pakistan when they played Sri Lanka, and then Indians also booed a few other teams. That I suppose will be accepted by the English crowd, but they wouldn’t have liked British Indians booing England players!

    Come to think of it, if Pakistanis had done that I wonder what the consequences would have been!

  173. #173 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 8:52 PM

    So by the looks of it, England, West Indies and South Africa are going to play the Semis.

    Pakistan will play if they beat Ireland tomorrow.

    At the moment it seems the top 4 teams will be Pakistan, England, West Indies and South Africa.

  174. #174 by Q on June 14, 2009 - 8:55 PM

    England, West Indies, and South Africa are in the same group. They can’t play the semis finals. Only 2 of them will.

  175. #175 by Awas on June 14, 2009 - 9:01 PM

    khansahab

    Yeah, you are quite right about that. Collingwood’s remark was pretty strange as it was quite obvious to all and the commentators too that Indians had come there to support their team. The funny thing was during Ireland’s match during the break the ground TV screen turned towards England team and when camera turned towards Ravi Bhopara, the Indian crowd booed.

    I guess Indians booing some other teams was just national fervour.

  176. #176 by Varun Suri on June 14, 2009 - 9:25 PM

    I don’t think the blame goes to Dhoni for sending Jadeja earlier as during the IPL he did few quite a long way and specially considering that he bowled beautifully Dhoni must have thouht that maybe it’s his day!!

    I think the English bowlers bowled well in the death overs specially Broad who many would have expected to panic considering what happened 2 yrs ago, but kudos to him he maintained his calm and only gave away 21 runs in his quota of 4 overs.

    In both the matches which India have lost the opening has struggled and i think it is the Sehwag factor which led them to not make optimum use of the first 6 overs.

    Today India bowled well for the first 15 overs but they gave away maybe 15-20 runs extra in the end and that’s what also costed them in the end.

    I totally disbelieve in the this theory of IPL contributing to Indian Team’s failure as if you come to think of it Cricketers are professionals who have reached at this level by playing long full day domestic matches and i don’t think a game of 20-20 takes a toll on your body to such an extent that your performance goes down in the fowllowing days. If nothing else IPL was the ideal practice for all the players who could participate in it and i am sure players did benefit from it for eg. Bravo, Kallis e.t.c

    I am sure if players like Sohail Tanvir would have got some practise during the IPL he would have been bowling much better than he did in the tournament.

    Anyways..So no chance of an India-Pak match this time!! peechli baar hi is bar ka quota ho gaya!!

    Although Ireland gave the Srilankans tough fight but i am sure Pakistanis are all charged up now to take their revenge so i am expecting another less than 100 all out for Ireland if they bat first!

    Even i heard Collinwood’s grudges in the end but due to poor quality of the video i missed that part when it actually happened.

  177. #177 by NewGuy30 on June 14, 2009 - 9:32 PM

    Hi Guys,

    Congratulation on terrific win by Pakistan yesterday, they played some real hard cricket like the Pakistani teams of old times that we know of – I am taking about the 90’s teams. Well, this team not as good as those, but you saw a glimmer of that in Gul, Afridi, Younis to name a few players. I agree with all you that Malik does not add any value and he is probably there because of politics. Anycase, good luck to Pakistan in upcoming matches, if they play like this they can get to semis, if not the final – then it’s a 50/50 chance. Who knows your team might win what they missed by a whisker last time.

    About India – very disappointed about today’s match. They made some tactical errors, like some of you pointed out, Gambhir and Jadeja played too defensively for too long and then the pressure became too much for Yuvraj, Dhoni, and Pathan. Even then they came agonizingly close. So had Gambhir and Jadeja played bit more aggressively they could have won, at least they should have got out trying without wasting too many balls.

    I still think it was correct to send in Jadeja at that time, because they were still in the first five overs and had Yuvraj gone in and got out then it was match over at that stage, at least it would have given psychological edge to England. But the problem here was the pair of Gambhir and Jadeja spent too much time without raising the tempo. I feel like Gambhir has been of color this entire series as he has been in IPL.

    One way to think of it is that too much cricket is causing India to lose their ability to stay sharp. IPL could have been just too much T20.

    Of course other reason is that England played really well in the field today – they put pressure in and threw themselves at every ball.

    Anyhow, India out of tournament is not a bad thing. I don’t like the arrogant behavior of some Indian fans, they should be booing any team. I

  178. #178 by khansahab on June 14, 2009 - 9:39 PM

    Varun and Newguy

    I don’t understand how and why Gambhir and Jadeja played so defensively. It was so unlike Gambhir particularly. That is why I said I think it was complacency. They thought 150 is easy to score with a stellar line up and Dhoni and Pathan to come later.
    Yet it was surprising because they can play much quicker than this. As Newguy said, some obvious tactical errors.

    The Indian news channels are affirming what I am saying about complacency. I don’t think IPL had much effect- it was a combination of bad luck, some tactical errors and over confidence perhaps.

    Anyhow, in about a week’s time India leave for West Indies. It will be interesting to see how quickly they can forget this tournament and get back to winning ways. West Indies in ODI’s should not be a big problem.

  179. #179 by Pawan on June 15, 2009 - 1:33 AM

    India fails to reach the semi-finals and such is the nature of T20 that even if they played quite good cricket and are deserving semi-finalists, they won’t be anymore. I don’t think so any sane analyst can be mad at the way Indian team has performed in this T20 world cup. Why did they lose today’s game? First of all, let me point out that they lost by only three runs. That three runs could have been accounted for the misfield by Yuvraj in Harbhajan’s last over. But there should be no ifs and buts in an analyst’s language. Ravinder Jadeja, drafted into the side just for this game ate 10 more deliveries than what he scored. I am not trying to blame him for defeat. He did an excellent job with the ball. He was in the side to do suffocate run scoring with him fast-seam up-arm ball off spinners, which he did effectively and in the process picked up two wickets. That’s what Dhoni and the Indian think tank wanted, I think. But the one big mistake that Dhoni made and what everyone is talking about is to send Jadeja earlier than Yuvraj. Now if you look at the way Dhoni has his batting order lined up, he always sends an aggressive player with a not-so-aggressive player. For example, Rohit Sharma, who was expected to play Sehwag’s role of aggressive hitting, if he got out then Dhoni used to send Raina (another aggressive batsman) and if Gambhir was out then he used to come in himself (just like Gambhir, he is someone who can carry his bat through and play a sheet-anchor role). So today when Rohit got out, he sent in Raina. But poor chap had a bad day. Anyway, the point is, Dhoni has been following this strategy and has been quite successful with the batting order thing. But today, I don’t know why, he sent Jadeja in after Raina got out. That was a mistake as there was already a not-so-aggressive player, Gambhir, already at the crease. I don’t know why Dhoni sent Jadeja, may be cause he felt that he needed some stability at that point, or may be he had advised Jadeja to be aggressive, or he thought Jadeja was aggressive batsman. Whatever the reason, it was a bad decision. He should have sent Yuvraj, who is another free-hitting aggressive player. But there is little benefit by crying over split milk, other than learning from mistakes.

    I really liked the way Indian team has performed in T20’s, leave alone ODIs and Tests. There is definite method to what they are doing and they are improving every day. Last time they wont the world-cup, but there was no surety. It was as we call a “tukka”. But this time round, am sure no one will dispute the fact, that Indian team deserved to be in the semi-finals, just looking at their strength.

    To talk about the reasons for defeat is not a big ask:

    1. Sehwags absence would hamper any team in the world, leave alone this Indian team. But I am happy it did not leave the team as vulnerable as it might have to any other team. Although Sharma did well in his new job, he was never going to replace Sehwag. Especially now that i think about it, Sehwag is not only a big-match player, but also kind of a batting-captain. He definitely calls shots about the batting order and things like that, just like Zahir is the bowling captain of the side. Sehwags also chips in with his comments regarding field placements and bowling changes. Missing a senior player like him did make a difference. But Dhoni has to learn to lead independently.

    2. Some fine strategic mistakes, for which unfortunately Dhoni had to pay a lot were made. Just like the one about Jadejas batting position, like I mentioned above.

    3. Indian batsmen were also found to be wanting for technique to deal with bouncers. West Indian side exposed it and England continued with that strategy today. They must work on it to improve.

    It feels bad to not see our team in semi-finals, especially with such a bunch of talented and deserving people in it, but it also feels satisfied that they gave their best and tried hard. The good thing about the team was they looked so strong, even in defeat. Till the last ball was bowled, no one expected it. Anyway it doesn’t count how you loose the match as the result is only a loss. But it does count for fans like us, who will always support an honest team performance and back the boys who play uncomplicated and daring cricket.

    I think the semi-finals would be

    1. South-Africa v.s. Pakistan
    2. Sri-Lanka v.s. West Indies

    I back Pakistan or West Indies to win the world cup, as I read somewhere, that these two countries are the ones who badly need it, especially Pakistan.

  180. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 6:50 AM

    I was unable to comment because, I had to run immediately after the match for an important work and I came back very late. I saw the recording of the match ceremony and, Dhoni & Collingwood’s comments.

    First of all my commiserations to Indian fans especially Varun, Pawan and newguy for the sad exit of Indian team before reaching the semi-finals. I know how you must be feeling by now. They did play well till the end, fought bravely but, lost on technicalities and for defensive tactics.

    You all have mentioned about Jadeja factor (25 in 35 balls,) it is indeed a waste of balls and a negative impact. From my perspective I think the first technical mistake Dhoni made was not including Irfan Pathan in the side. Let me explain.

    When India restricted England to 153 it appeared on surface that Dhoni’s decision to replace Irfan with RP Singh or Jadeja wasn’t a bad one. Because, RP didn’t give too many runs, Jadeja bowled well took 2 wickets. It could be pure luck that he got 2 important wickets and that is saving him from being skinned. But, the important point is they dropped an aggressive batsman. Ohja could have done what Jadeja did in bowling department. But, dropping Irfan was not a good decision.

    But, sending Jadeja ahead of Yuvraj was definitely a mistake which Dhoni reluctantly accepted it. If he was so scared of losing the second aggressive batsman (Yuvi) after seeing Raina getting out cheaply he should have sent Yousuf Pathan (If Irfan Pathan was in the team, he was ideal for such situations up the order) but, he sent Jadeja to consolidate. This word consolidation in T20 format is superfluous and is not the same as it is in 50 overs format.

    Especially when Yuvraj is in such a good form that he walks in after sitting in the dugout for more than 10 overs and the fist ball he faces, lofts it over the bowlers head 102 meters away, hence holding him back was not a good decision, it was more of a Younus Khan or Shoaib Malik kinda decision which I never expected from Dhoni. Someone did mention here on the blog that Dhoni’s big shots aren’t coming these days, its true. “I am agree.”

    Raina‘s weakness to play the bouncers or the rising ball was spotted even before this match and the West Indies bowlers exploited it very well and Sidebottom was brought in especially to soften him up and he scummed and threw away his wicket as expected.

    Dhoni was asked by Bishop to comment on the absence of Sehwag and once again he reluctantly admitted that his absence is felt but, he did not say outright that yes we missed him badly, he tried to dodge it for a while that Rohit Sharma was playing well…….. I wrote yesterday that Rohit is a good player but, he fails on big occasions whereas Sehwag is a player who rises on big occasions and scores big. Although in the previous WC T20 he departed early and Gambhir played the anchor role and the scores were almost similar with a margin of 5 runs or so. India won because Misbah failed after coming so close and India too came very close today but, they lost.

    I agree with khansahab that Sidebottom bowled the last over very badly and was lucky to get the POM award which imo he did not deserve.

    Collingwood felt bad and expressed his feelings that his team was booed by the Indian fans when they were entering the gates, he said, its sad that our own people, on our own home ground booed our own team. I think both Indian and Pakistani crowd in the UK favour India and Pakistan over England.

    This time the Pakistanis somehow behaved, perhaps due to the security or whatever. But I do remember a few years ago when Sajid Mehmood was bowling against Pakistan and after finishing his over when he used to go near the boundary line to field, the crowd not only used to boo him but, they used to call him names.

    khansahab

    what happened to you? you are playing three sides from same group into the semi-final? How about all four from the same group? 😀 I think you are studying too much these days. Take a break, have a kit-kat.

  181. #181 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 8:44 AM

    Ball tampered? No evidence, says Madugalle

    London: Umar Gul’s stupendous display of swing bowling in the ICC Twenty20 World Championship match against New Zealand may have earned him a lot of praise, but it has also sparked-off a fresh controversy regarding ball tampering.

    Gul’s fiery spell of 5-6 in the Super Eight match against the Kiwis helped Pakistan win the game by six wickets, but now, questions are being raised over his ability to reverse swing the ball just after 12 overs.

    New Zealand captain Daniel Vettori had raised the issue at a post-match press conference at The Oval, saying he had never seen the white cricket ball ‘reverse-swing’ just after 12 overs.

    “I’ve never, ever seen someone reverse the ball after 12 overs,” said Vettori. He (Gul) managed to do that and that made a real difference,” Vettori said.

    Now, it has been learnt that Vettori has lodged a complaint with ICC match referee, Ranjan Madugalle, and requested him to initiate an inquiry.

    Madugalle, however, turned down Vettori’s request, saying there was no evidence of ball tampering.

    Pakistan captain Younis Khan has played down the entire controversy.

    “Gul has a perfect action for reverse swing. He also has enough pace and can get the ball to reverse-swing very effectively,” Khan said at a post-match press conference.

    Gul himself is not perturbed by the issue.

    Crediting his match-winning performance to former fast bowlers’ Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis, Gul said he wanted to become the leading wicket taker in the tournament.

    “In T20, you have to be able to bowl the yorker, bouncer and the slower ball. Now, I want to be the highest wicket-taker in the tournament. My captain just told me to go and get wickets, and that’s what I did,” The News quoted Gul, as saying.

  182. #182 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 8:47 AM

    Sharp differences between Ijaz and Salim, claims Sarfraz

    By Khurram Shahzad

    ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistan Test fast bowler Sarfraz Nawaz has claimed that Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is ‘sharply divided’ and chairman Ijaz Butt and chief operating officer Salim Altaf have formed their separate groups. Talking to Daily Times here on Sunday, Sarfraz said Ijaz had the support of coach Intikhab Alam and manager Yawar Saeed while Salim had his own men to disobey the ‘elders troika’. “I don’t know what would be the result of this grouping, but this is a fact that the PCB and even the Pakistan team members are divided,” he added. Sarfraz played 55 Tests and 45 one-day internationals for Pakistan, and claimed 177 Test and 63 ODI wickets. Referring to former chief selector Abdul Qadir press conference, Sarfraz said the rivalry between Shoaib Malik and Younis Khan was now confirmed and the differences between two bigwigs of the PCB were also at peak. Sarfraz, one of the pioneers of reverse swing, demanded that the sports standing committees of Parliament should investigate the allegations levelled by Qadir. “There are also many more wrong doings in the PCB. The government should take action against the black sheep in the board.” No one was available for the PCB’s version as the board has not appointed any media director. Salim did not attend his cell phone despite repeated attempts.

  183. #183 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 9:16 AM

    It is very disappointing Vittori accusing Pakistan of ball tampering without evidence. I had a lot of respect for him.

    Can anyone in their right mind imagine that with so many cameras that are following every move would fail to pick up anything remotely likely to look like ball tampering? Shameful accusation from Vittori.

    When it comes to Pakistan, the exponents of reverse swing, it’s branded as ball tampering and when any other team does it it’s an art. England’s famous ashes victory in England was due to excellent reverse swing, especially by Simon Jones.

    It was right at this ground, Oval, that after their famous victory due to reverse swing, the two W’s were branded as cheats by all except Boycott when he said even if you put an orange in these two guys hands they would still take a wicket.

  184. #184 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 10:37 AM

    If there ever is a rivalry between Shoaib Malik and Younis Khan, as claimed by Sarfraz Nawaz above, then why the hell is Younis ‘Maska-polishing’ and ‘T.Cing’ Malik by giving him all the opportunities (bowling & batting) rather then standing up to him and kicking his rear ?

  185. #185 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 10:46 AM

    Have anyone else also noticed that whenever Younis Khan comes for a pre-match or post-match interview, he would pat the commentator’s backside before he goes ??

    Actually, what happens is that every time the commentator is about to finish his comments and before Younis leaves, he would put his arm around their back, as if he is trying to accompanying them and when someone tries to wrap his arm around the second person to make them lead the way.

    You guys can look for Younis today, and see if it is only me, or is it have to do with his being a Pathan ?? 😆

  186. #186 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 10:53 AM

    During their match with India, Collingwood said that when they were coming to the ground, some Indians “booed” them.

    I guess, these are Indians who are UK Nationals but from Indian origin.

    This is so wrong.

    I have also seen Indian fans supporting Sri Lanka in their match against Pakistan (when Sri Lanka defeated Pakistan), which was just prior to the India and West Indies match a few days back.

  187. #187 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 11:17 AM

    What Ireland had done with Sri Lanka yesterday, shall provide Pakistan with a good lesson, not to take Ireland easy in any way.

    Ireland is the best team among the Associates and Pakistan should also keep in their mind what Ireland had done to them during the last World Cup.

    Pakistan should play full-strength and put in their best efforts and field their best playing elevens for today.

    PS: Guys, please don’t forget to notice Younis during his ‘chats’ with the commentators. 😉

  188. #188 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 12:07 PM

    India exit not surprising: Miandad

    ——————————————————————————–

    KARACHI: Former Pakistan captain Javed Miandad says defending champion India’s early exit from the Twenty20 World cuip is not surprising given the
    unpredictable nature of the shortest format of cricket.

    “Twenty20 cricket is very unpredictable for all teams and it is difficult to follow the same plan in every match,” the former great said.

    India lost by three runs to England last night to be out of title contention.

    Miandad, who is now director-general in the Pakistan Cricket Board
    , said he didn’t believe the real worth of a player or a team stood out in Twenty20.

    “I think teams are still getting used to the format and they are still learning about how to develop a formula for consistent success in T20 cricket,” he said.

    “It is a format which gives the weaker teams a chance to compete with stronger opposition on a near even kneel,” he added.

    Miandad said India’s exit has left the field wide open. “Any team can win or lose in a matter of few overs. And since the format is short teams don’t have much time to rectify their mistakes and I think that is what happened with India as well,” he said.

  189. #189 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 12:30 PM

    Dhoni effigy burnt in Ranchi after T20 loss

    Ranchi: Cricket fans in the Jharkhand capital on Monday burnt Indian cricket captain and city boy Mahendra Singh Dhoni’s effigy to protest India’s exit from the ICC Twenty20 world cup following successive defeats in matches against the West Indies and England.

    Around 50 cricket fans, mostly youth, gathered near Siddo Kanhu park and shouted slogans against Dhoni.

    The protesters also burnt Dhoni’s effigy. “Dhoni took the T20 World Cup lightly. It seems Dhoni is more fascinated by glamour world instead of cricket,” said Shyama Kumar, one of the protesters.

  190. #190 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 12:43 PM

    Why is Akmal playing so slow?

  191. #191 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 12:48 PM

    Shahzaib’s body language reminds me of Hasan Raza and his shots are like Afridi’s.

  192. #192 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 1:14 PM

    There is no point in Akmal playing slow. They have Younis, Malik and Misbah who can play slowly. Akmal is just wasting balls and he should go for the kill. He has already wasted too many deliveries.

  193. #193 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 1:18 PM

    I think this is really strange.

    Have you noticed how in every match there has been 1 batsman who has played slowly for no reason and hurt the team’s chances?

    In 2 matches it was Malik who made 28 odd from the same number of deliveries. Then it was Misbah who made 21 from 28 balls in a pathetic innings, the worst T20 innings played by any top order batsman for Pakistan in T20. And today it is Akmal.

    What is going on?

  194. #194 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 1:57 PM

    Pathetic batting performance by Pakistan. After Misbah was out Fawad should have gone in instead of Malik, who just wasted many balls and didn’t even try to slog once. Malik was worried about two things, one that he would be out which would affect his average and second that Fawad might come and hit a six or two.

    After the kind of start given by Shahzaib and Afridi, they should have aimed for 200 but Akmal played like a loser. Akmal is a hitter, not a consolidator and because of his slow batting Younis had to take initiative and could not get settled.

    They couldn’t even get 160, how pathetic against such a pathetic bowling attack with only one decent bowler.

  195. #195 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 1:58 PM

    It’s not a good score. They should have really sent Fawad up the order. If Malik is not batting well and having problems with Younus too then why is he still in the team?

  196. #196 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 2:00 PM

    khansahab

    I like the way you can read Malik’s mind 🙂

  197. #197 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 2:02 PM

    Awas

    It took me a while! I used to support him on Pakspin, but I am human and can err.

    You could see it from the way he batted, didn’t even hit a lofted shot once. Why was he taking singles? It was time to slog, not “rotate the strike”.

    He is a parasite in the team and like Shoaib Akhtar, he hinders more than helps.

  198. #198 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 2:07 PM

    khansahab

    I didn’t think you erred but perhaps overzealous. It really puzzles me why he is still in the team after what I said above. Once the eleven is on the field it really should be up to Younus to promote Fawad. Someone is really looking after Malik.

  199. #199 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 2:08 PM

    Awas

    Younis is behind promoting Malik and Younis should be blamed too. But Younis can’t bat and bowl for Malik.

    It is shocking that a “star batsman” and former captain of the team could only manage 3 runs from 7 balls against a weak bowling attack. He can do more, he just didn’t want to get out. It is very clear now that his batting is weak and the only person who can replace him properly is Fawad Alam. We all know it.

  200. #200 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 2:12 PM

    Yeah, Malik was very disappointing. In the last two overs, you just throw kitchen sink at every ball. What the hell was he doing?

  201. #201 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 2:19 PM

    Once again the solid batsmen have failed and left the task for the bowlers to win. The important thing is not just a win but, a better run rate. Like I said b4 that NRR would be important but, Awas was insisting that a win will guarantee Pakistan for the semis but, a win by NZ against SL tomorrow will change the equation and it will be decided in NRR, but first thing first, Pakistan needs a win here and needs to bowl them out under 100.

    A target on mind was 180 but, at one stage it looked like they would reach 190- 200 but what a pathetic batting by Malik and Misbah and also a very unlike innings from Akmal. Although he top scored and might get the POM award if Pakistan wins and that would be farcical and comical.

    Shahzaib’s first few shots are very dicey and weak and he gives the impression that he is getting out now, he is getting out now and then he got out playing a weak shot. Afridi after playing sensibly got out on a poor shot. The crowd pressure was building up and some idiots were chanting AF-REE-DEE, AF-REE-DEE and expecting him to hit a six and the akhroat fall for it. He could have easily played that shot on ground instead of elevating it as he was trapped by the spinner go gave no width to him.

    I was most disappointed by Misbah’s batting except for the six he hit on that slow full toss which was a gift for him he did nothing, in fact his approach was negative. About Malik, the least you talk about his Meesna pun, the better it is. He should be out in the next match (IF) Pakistan reaches the semi-final. But, who is his replacement? The squad is so poorly selected with Butt already a liability in the team. Tanvir is also a big liability, so there seems to be no option but, to play him.

    Two LBW decisions in the previous over of Mohammad Aamir were not given while they were plumb in front of the wicket, the commentators said that and the hawk-eye confirmed. Thank God Aamir had just taken a catch of his own bowling. O Brien is out.

  202. #202 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 2:30 PM

    Excellent fielding by Fawad Alam, he ran a lot to cover the mid-wicket boundary and saved 2 runs and threw the ball right back into Kamran Akmal’s gloves. I thought it was definitely a four because of the speed of the ball but he dived so well and saved 2 runs.

  203. #203 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 2:31 PM

    Munir

    Yeah, I have noticed that little pat YK gives back to the person who interviews him, that is nothing to do with Pathanism but, its just Younus, c’est ca, who wants to show his cheerfulness all the time.

  204. #204 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 2:33 PM

    Javed

    I think his nick is Chaand but he had to translate in English which doesn’t have the same effect 🙂

    I am led to believe a win will be enough for Pakistan unless some ridiculous NRR calculations come into the equation.

  205. #205 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 2:35 PM

    Awas

    Chaand nahee CHANDA 😀

  206. #206 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 2:36 PM

    Javed

    I was very impressed with Fawad’s fielding too when I was at Lords and his encouraging players around him…he was very active. You don’t see the whole arena on TV.

  207. #207 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 2:44 PM

    Javed

    I don’t know whether Malik is being looked after by that senator you mentioned or whether it’s that Salim Altaf camp.

    I think the later.

  208. #208 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 2:47 PM

    By the way what is Ajmal’s nick? Must be Jammal!

  209. #209 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 2:50 PM

    Malik is also being looked after by Younus Khan, see he removed Ajmal after one over when he gave only 5 runs and brought Malik in and Malik bowled so badly he gave away 11 runs in his first over not only runs, but encouragement to the batsmen. What a pathetic decision by Younus Khan and pathetic bowling by Malik.

  210. #210 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 3:07 PM

    See what I meant? Ajmal was reintroduced and he got a wicket on the first ball and he bowled almost a wicket maiden over except for the wide ball he bowled. I wonder why Younus Khan has so much sympathies for Malik. Malik’s bad over gave confidence to the batsmen and they played well against Umar Gul in his first over and against Afridi in his last over. That is what one bad over does in this short format of the game.

    With Umar Gul now getting back into his rhythm the should slowdown the run rate, if they can’t get wickets. Eventually the wickets too will come under pressure.

  211. #211 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 3:08 PM

    By the way what is Ajmal’s nick? Must be Jammal! Awas

    Ajju 😀

  212. #212 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 3:25 PM

    Ajmal’s nick should be, Jamoora 😆

    Pakistan, sealing it with a ‘KISS’ 😉

  213. #213 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 3:43 PM

    With this win on a good NRR Pakistan are through to the semi-finals.

    If Sri Lanka wins then there is no question about who is on the top of the table.
    If New Zealand wins, they are in on NRR basis, Pakistan’s NRR is better than both.

    See I knew Kamran Akmal would be the POM, I think other than his 57 they took into consideration the two stumping that he did off Ajmal.

  214. #214 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 3:46 PM

    So now two teams are through to the semis, South Africa and Pakistan

    After the England / WI match we will know which one will be the third team and tomorrow after NZ and SL the final team to be decided. Suddenly Sri Lanka is under pressure despite remaining undefeated in this tournament and a defeat means they exit out and that will be a big joke but, such is T20 cricket.

  215. #215 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 3:54 PM

    It’s quite striking that on Cricinfo commentary page, 3 Pakistanis have e-mailed Cricinfo asking why Fawad is being treated so bad and why he is not replacing Malik because of his superior batting and fielding…..

  216. #216 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 4:01 PM

    khansahab

    Of the three emails, how many did you send? Only joking! I just had to say that 🙂

  217. #217 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 4:07 PM

    Chanda = Ganda

    Or may be the Chaand is more like a “Chaand-Grahan” 😉

    Can someone tell me, why Younis Khan must have to bowl Malik in every match ?

  218. #218 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 15, 2009 - 4:12 PM

    I was enjoying live coverage on BBC and Cricinfo as well as LS and several persons were commenting and lamenting the fact on Cricinfo during the live coverage that the best domestic T20 perforner, Fawad Alam, has finally been taken in the team but not given the chance to bat nor bowl a single over.

    And every one of them were unanimous that Shoaib Malik should not be in the team.

  219. #219 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 4:12 PM

    Younis Khan, in his introductry comments, says that his favourite player is Sharif Khan.

    Who is he ??

  220. #220 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 4:20 PM

    Awas …

    LOL @ “Of the three emails, how many did you send?”

    Malik used 7 balls for his 4 runs, and similarly Misbah was also slow other then that last 6, but still Younis Khan insists with them both and does not give a fair chance to Fawad.

    But I still beleive that some players are “Blessed”, and it is not that they have to perform, but their presence in the side helps the team to win. Fawad is ‘electric’ in the field.

    Fawad is more like Sehwag for India, their sheer presence makes a difference, and since Sehwag is kicked out, India came crumblimg down.

  221. #221 by M. Y.. Kasim on June 15, 2009 - 4:22 PM

    BTW, I have DirecTV so I get to watch all matches two days later on “Cricket Plus” channel.

  222. #222 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 4:27 PM

    Munir sahab

    Sharif Khan is Younis’s late elder brother, who was his mentor and in Younis’s words, a good cricketer.

  223. #223 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 4:29 PM

    Pakistan could ‘host’ World Cup matches in UAE.

    The ICC will consider allowing Pakistan to “outsource” its allocation of 2011 World Cup matches to Abu Dhabi and Dubai, according to David Morgan, the ICC chairman. Delegates from the ICC and the four host nations held a four-hour meeting at Lord’s on Monday to discuss the issues arising from the March 3 terror attack outside the Gadaffi Stadium in Lahore, and their impact on Pakistan’s ability to host World Cup matches.

    The ICC confirmed Pakistan would not host matches at the 2011 tournament, but the PCB could remain on the tournament organising committee if its matches are relocated to United Arab Emirates. Alternatively, Pakistan’s original allocation of matches could be shared between the other host nations – India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

    Morgan said a final decision could be made in the next fortnight and the PCB has agreed to defer legal proceedings against the ICC while negotiations are taking place.

    “The meeting went well,” PCB president Ijaz Butt told Cricinfo.

    http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/409099.html

  224. #224 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 4:31 PM

    Khan Sahab …

    Thanks for info on Sharif Khan.

    BTW, Younis did NOT gave the pat to the interviewers today 😦

    I guess he read LS before going for the match 😉

  225. #225 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 4:32 PM

    Yes, who is SHARIF KHAN? I hope Younus is not thinking Nawaz Sharif is Khan and calling him Sharif Khan? 😀

    Ps.
    OH, OK khansahab thanks for that info.

  226. #226 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 4:36 PM

    Khansahab …

    Where did you source that Dhoni’s effigy news, in comment no. 212.

    I have to share it with a few Indian colleagues 😀

  227. #227 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 4:37 PM

    Luke Wright is gone! England under pressure

  228. #228 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 4:38 PM

    Munir sahab

    This is Times of India reporting it, but the same news has also appeared in The Indepedent, England:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Dhoni-effigy-burnt-in-Ranchi/articleshow/4657911.cms

  229. #229 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 4:43 PM

    The Indian Pakistan sub-continent is a strange world with strange people. A hero becomes a zero in no time. A few months ago I read the news that in Dhoni‘s home town Jharkand they have erected his statue and consider him as their Deity and worship him for placing their small town on the world map. Today, they burn his effigy ………. after their exit from the Caribbean World cup Dhoni’s newly built home was ransacked and door frames were pulled out. Tendulkar was booed in Mumbai his home ground and Sehwag was booed in Delhi. Emotions run so high and feelings change like a tide in the ocean.

  230. #230 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 4:46 PM

    Booing by Indian fans fired us up: Collingwood

    LONDON: England captain Paul Collingwood and his men were fired up to win their crucial Twenty20 World Cup Super Eight match at Lord’s after they were booed by Indian fans during and prior to the game.

    “A lot of English supporters were there (to watch the game) but we got booed at the home of cricket by the Indian fans. It felt bit strange to be dealt so on our own home ground at the home of cricket. So that gave us a bit of motivation,” Collingwood said after his side’s three-run win.

    “We were also booed during nets while coming off nursery and it hurt a few people (in the team). Our performance showed how much we wanted to do it,” he added.

    Collingwood could not hide the glee that their plan to pepper Indian batsmen with short-pitched stuff actually paid off.

    “We were conscious (of Indians’ vulnerability to short-pitched ball). We know our plans against India at best of times. To bowl short balls in Indian conditions is very hard to do. We had an opportunity to do it here and we gave it our best and tried to get it up there.

    “We have excellent seamers. We have guys who can bowl 90 miles an hour and that’s a great weapon to target teams with. Our seamers are versatile, have the skills to do it and could hold their nerves even against best hitters like Yusuf Pathan and Dhoni,” he said.

  231. #231 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    Although Pakistan won the game and we are, almost, through to the semis, but I still worry with our batting, which sure is weak, and our fielding too.

    We are winning only and only with our bowling and that to mainly Gul, Ajmal, and Afridi. However, Razzaq and Amir are also ok, but Younis should use his main five bowlers and should not bowl Malik.

    Misbah and Malik seem to be very “villan-like” for Pakistan and it really looks that they are sure not interested to win. Because, the moment they both, Malik and Misbah, arrive on the pitch the run rate always slows down rather then increasing, no matter whichever stage of the game we are in.

    Younis is absolutely a “Dummy” or may be too weak to notice it happening.

    Younis has made a few changes with his batting line-up by bringing Afridi earlier which bore good results (otherwise, even 159 runs would have been hard to score for Pakistan). Similarly, he should also keep his mind open with our bowling and avoid Malik’s bowling in any case.

    Anyway, they (Younis & Management) have to change their batting plans and may be use Fawad earlier, because we are NOT winning the cup with this ‘batting’, no way 😦

  232. #232 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 5:22 PM

    Dhoni was coming in to bat at one-down in their ‘easy’ warm-up matches against Pakistan and even in group mathes, but he did not do that in the most important games against West Indies and England last night.

    Dhoni surely faltered with his batting line-up in England game and he also did not take the responcibility in the last two games.

    Once an Indian collegues informed me that in Indian cricket, at time, the big sponsors decide which batsman to bat at which number. He explained that their is so much money involved that even the players are ‘paid’ for their earlier presence on the field.

    At one time Sachin used to get paid by the sponsors for each ball he faced (or every minute he spent on the ground) and not for how many runs he scored. Because with each ball played or every minute on field, the sponsor’s name/ brand is displayed on TV.

    I am NOT employing that this is what happened in the last game, but as they say, ‘nothing is impossible’ with so much money at stake 😉

  233. #233 by Mohammed Munir on June 15, 2009 - 5:35 PM

  234. #234 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 7:03 PM

    Some facts about Younis Khan:

    Born in Mardan and currently lives in Mardan. Also lives in Karachi sometimes. Has family in Mardan and Karachi.

    Brother Shareef Khan passed away in car accident in Ukraine. Another brother, Farman Khan passed away in a car accident too in Germany.

    Wife called Amna Khan and son called Owais Khan who is 2.

    In Karachi Younis grew up in Quaidabad and still has many friends there.

    Briefly coached at Rashid Latif Cricket Academy where he also trained when the academy was barely built. Very good friends with Rashid Latif and Mirza Iqbal Baig, who is now a presenter with Geo and has served various positions in PCB and Sindh Cricket Association. Also, Baig is rumoured to have lobbied PCB to remove Malik as captain and appoint Younis.

  235. #235 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 7:07 PM

    I’ve noticed the name “Owais” is very common amongst Urdu Speakers and Pathans. It is also a popular name amongst Punjabis, who sometimes write it as “Awais” which is not how it is supposed to be pronounced in Arabic.

    “Javed” is a popular name amongst Urdu Speakers.

    On the other hand, two names, “Wasim” and “Naved” seem to be very popular with Punjabis. Does anyone else think so?

  236. #236 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 8:21 PM

    Home team is OUT of the tournament, my commiserations to English fans and supporters, they played well and if that was a full 20 overs match the result would have been different but rain played a very cruel part and more cruel is D/L method. The D/L method is reportedly the best method to decide but what it lacks in my opinion is the number of wickets in that target.

    West Indies were set to score 80 in 9 overs but, that is not fair it should have been a further restriction say in 5 wickets or 6 wickets but not the whole team to score that reduced target in reduced overs. This is something they must consider in future. The D/L method always favours the team batting second. So, I think there is a loophole here which needs to be amended. A point that the ICC must consider seriously.

  237. #237 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 8:25 PM

    India will try to salvage some pride from their last round match against South Africa. There is only an academic interest left in that match and a practice match for South Africa.

    Munir

    We all discussed this Dhoni’s batting order a few days ago and I think he already got a flak for coming at number 3 while he is not in form and when he changed his batting order you are blaming him? Well, that is what was needed because Dhoni was not hitting big in T20. I think he should stick to number 3 in ODI’s. His mistake was Jadeja who ruined the tempo, slowed down the run rate and demoralized the whole team and they all got under pressure.

  238. #238 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 15, 2009 - 8:36 PM

    I dunno if anyone remembers hearing the comments made by the English commentator David Lloyd at the time when Shoaib Malik was batting, he said, “Oh he is not looking happy at all.” Because, it was very obvious from Malik’s face that there is something wrong with him when he came to bat and made only 3 from 7 balls..

    One of my friends here who is a Punjabi from Lahore asked me on phone after the match and he asked the same question, he said: Did you see Malik’s face? BC, he was looking like a “Jull Kukkar” and then he abused Malik in Punjabi by saying he is not happy with the team performance and is jealous and probably doing it on purpose and that is his nature he cannot help.

  239. #239 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 8:56 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Regarding the shortening of the match to 9 overs, I agree it is a ridiculous system. I think when rain intervenes and disrupts a match, if play is resumed after that they should let both sides play 5 overs each or something. If they can’t produce a result both sides should get equal points and if the points are tied, then NRR should decide who proceeds to the next round. It is fair I think if NRR has at least some influence in deciding which team should proceed, because T20 is about making quick runs.

    It has been a positive campaign for England- beating India and Pakistan and then managing a competitive total against West Indies.

    Most people think Pakistan will play South Africa in the semis. South Africa have become stronger mentally with time. It will be interesting to see if they choke against Pakistan. They are more likely to choke if Pakistan manage a total of 150+ or if bowling first, Afridi, Ajmal and Gul can set pressure on them.

    Younis should let Afridi and Ajmal bowl in tandem and complete their quotas in one spell. He should not introduce Malik in between or use any other bowling change.

  240. #240 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 9:04 PM

    Omer

    How Sarwan and Chanderpaul two non T20 specialists won the match because of all their experience and cool heads. 45 runs were still required when Bravo got out and there were only 22 balls left. Wonderful!

  241. #241 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 9:13 PM

    I think Pakistan will be better off if they play their semi at the Oval. They can only do that if they top the group.

    They seem to be doing well at the Oval as they know the ground well, have a good record there and reverse swing the ball here more than other grounds.

  242. #242 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 9:37 PM

    I have been watching today’s match that I had recorded. Whatever is being said about Wasim Akram’s “biasness” towards Afridi, but what I heard today was basically praise. He praised Afridi right from the beginning and welcomed him by saying:

    “Good to see Afridi coming up the order, that’s a good move and that must be his own choice”

    “Excellent shot by Afridi, great to see Afridi play like this”

    “Very intelligent cricket by Shahid Afridi” (he ran quick two at the time).

    He was basically praising every shot of Afridi.

  243. #243 by khansahab on June 15, 2009 - 9:53 PM

    Awas

    I was thinking the same when I saw Afridi’s innings today- that Wasim was appreciating him without bias. It did seem strange and out of the ordinary.

    Before this T20 WC I found Akram’s commentary silly and irritating, but never biased. However, my personal view is that he did make a few inappropriate comments regarding Afridi, and at a wrong time too (in the previous matches) Hehas been very critical of Fawad Alam, and has not praised him when he has fielded well. And generally, he has been disproportionately appreciative of Akmal, Ajmal and Malik.

    It leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but as I said everyone will not feel the same way. These things are subjective- everyone does not pick them the same way.

  244. #244 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 10:02 PM

    Khansahab

    I take your word for it.

    As I mentioned in one of my earlier comments, I have always found Wasim appreciating Afridi’s bowling. When people have heard him comment on his batting that is when Afridi gets out so early playing a reckless shot. Then everyone criticises Afridi, even we do.

  245. #245 by Awas on June 15, 2009 - 10:39 PM

    Javed

    I dunno if anyone remembers hearing the comments made by the English commentator David Lloyd at the time when Shoaib Malik was batting, he said, “Oh he is not looking happy at all

    Javed, it was Alan Wilkins and Wasim Akram commentating at the time when Malik was batting and it was Wasim Akram who made that quote. Wasim Akarm can never imitate that David Lloyd’s foony Yorkshire accent. How could you mistake that? 🙂

  246. #246 by Shoaib on June 15, 2009 - 11:12 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I asked you a question, havent got reply for that, may be you over looked it, ”Sala Ch2So4” whats the meaning of those words?

  247. #247 by Shoaib on June 15, 2009 - 11:33 PM

    Mohammed Munir Says:

    June 15, 2009 at 10:53 am
    During their match with India, Collingwood said that when they were coming to the ground, some Indians “booed” them.

    ——————————————–
    It is very disappointing act and showed their rash mentality. I am not saying all indians are like that but like any other nation’s illeterate uneducated people love and support those acts. At my work place 90% people are indians and i always have a good relation with them and always say nice things to them like good luck for todays match and i hope we will see good cricket from indian team etc etc. even just before india England important match i said i hope india will win etc but oh dear me i have been bullied and faced racial harrassment with same people after Pakistan’s victory over NZ and after india was beaten by England and out of the tournament……i dont wanna write what they say but they didnt say much about Pak cricket team as much they said about Pakistan and Pakistanis. I couldnt say anything because i was in shock becasue i was being attacked by 3 different sides. Well all i can say is Indians can never be friends of Pakistanis no matter how polite and nice you try to be with them. May be all indians are not like that but i dunno i always had a very bad experience.

  248. #248 by Shoaib on June 15, 2009 - 11:52 PM

    Mohammed Munir Says:

    June 15, 2009 at 4:12 pm
    Younis Khan, in his introductry comments, says that his favourite player is Sharif Khan. Who is he ??

    Munir

    Why do you wanna know lol one thing is clear that Shareef Khan is another Pathan and you know what i mean lol

  249. #249 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 2:38 AM

    Awas, I never said Wasim Akram said “Oh he is not looking happy at all.” I said, the English commentator said and I was not sure who it was I never heard the name of Alan Wilkins before, and I was so much involved in the match that I did not pay much attention whether it was David Lloyd or someone else, but I know it was not, Ian Chappel, Bishop, Kumble, Manjrekar and Wasim but an English commentator hence I wrote his name. And, I know David Lloyd has Yorkshire accent like Boycott. 🙂

    I have also noticed that Wasim was not criticizing Afridi today and he also said, “That is Sohail Tanvir (when he was seen sitting in the dugout) he is dropped, very rightly so.”

    And, I agree with khansahab‘s views that earlier Wasim made some unwarranted comments against Afridi which were not needed, and for you to say that “We also criticize Afridi.” Yes, we do on the blog it is different from what a commentator says and he is not supposed to say that when hundreds of millions of people are watching and listening. Besides he is so well known that a lot of people start believing in what he says. Therefore, he has to be a little more sensible and not a blabber mouth. That’s my point.

  250. #250 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 2:39 AM

    Shoaib that is an adult talk, you pls. ignore that. 🙂

  251. #251 by Mohammed Munir on June 16, 2009 - 4:03 AM

    Javed Khan, you said, “Shoaib that is an adult talk, you pls. ignore that”.

    So what do you mean, Shoaib is not an adult ?

    BTW, if that is ‘an adult talk’ we are all adult here, bar Abdul 😉 So go on explain it to Shoaib.

  252. #252 by Mohammed Munir on June 16, 2009 - 4:12 AM

    Shoaib …

    LOL @ “one thing is clear that Shareef Khan is another Pathan and you know what i mean”

    Actually, Khansahab has explained in his comment no. 246, about who Sharif Khan is, so don’t think any thing wrong 😉

  253. #253 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 4:59 AM

    There you go ………. Garry Kirsten is now saying that India lost because of IPL fatigue, he says they were a very tired team when they came here. If anyone remember what I wrote before the WC that India will play this IPL thingi as a double edged sword.

    If they win they will say it was because of the IPL experience
    If they lose they will say too much of cricket, our players were tired.

    Am I very smart or they think people are dumb?
    I think they think people are dumb and they cannot see what is beyond the obvious.

    I think India lost on technicalities and poor judgment and in T20 you cannot make mistakes if you do, you are out. That is why so many teams are playing good cricket these days.

  254. #254 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 5:10 AM

    Daniel Vittori or New Zealand’s complaint against Pakistan i.e., accusing Umar Gul of ball tampering and that too without any evidence is not a new thing. The New Zealanders never miss any opportunity to spit venom against Pakistan.

    A few years ago when Shoaib Akhtar and Asif were accused of taking anabolic steroids (nandrolone) Adam Parore the NZ wicketkeeper a couple of decades ago came out with a story that in the eighties when Waqar and Wasim were at their peak they defeated New Zealand in Pakistan and, he came up with a story that we were surprised to see how they can bowl so many overs in the extreme hot conditions and now I know that it was due to the drugs they must have been taking. Bastard ! He had nothing better to speak about Pakistan and he kept quiet for 16 years and then all of sudden it dawned upon him that it must be due to drugs!

    I remember writing that on PakSpin that number one, Pakistani players are used to playing in their own home conditions which are hot and humid and it is a matter of common sense, secondly NZ is a cold country and even their summers are mild and they cannot cope the heat and humidity when they play in Pakistan or even in Dubai during the month of May.

    Anyways, the point is let them blab and say what they want to Umar Gul can prove them wrong again when they meet next. But, it is a shame that a player like Daniel Vittori cannot accept the defeat gracefully.

  255. #255 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 5:13 AM

    So what do you mean, Shoaib is not an adult ? Munir

    Munir it is your job to check out because Shoaib is in Dubai. 😀

  256. #256 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 5:23 AM

    THIS IS WHAT GEOFF LAWSON SAID ABOUT GUL’S BOWLING:


    Geoff Lawson, the former Pakistan coach, was commentating on Saturday’s match at The Oval and noted that several New Zealand pacemen achieved subtle reverse swing towards the end of their innings.

    “My first reaction after reading [Vettori’s] comments was of being pretty disappointed,” Lawson told Cricinfo. “It sounded as if an issue was being made just because the New Zealand batsmen couldn’t play him. There was no great mystery to what he was doing. He was bowling it nice and full and getting it to go just enough, not metres.

    “I was commentating the game, and we were noting on air that some of the New Zealand bowlers were getting it to go a little bit reverse when they were bowling full towards the end of their innings. Gul was the best bowler at the last World Twenty20 and it’s pretty disappointing for New Zealand to have made an unofficial approach. It seems Pakistan carry the cross for these kinds of things.”

  257. #257 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 5:41 AM

    Omer – How Sarwan and Chanderpaul two non T20 specialists won the match because of all their experience and cool heads. 45 runs were still required when Bravo got out and there were only 22 balls left. Wonderful! Awas.

    LOL Awas that whole West Indian innings based on D/L method was farcical and you want to give credit to the two non T20 specialists like Sarwan and Chanderpaul only to make your point that in T20 you need specialist “consolidators” type batsmen? 😀

    Right from the word go, there was not a shadow of doubt in my mind that West Indies will not win that match? Even Ireland or Netherlands would have won. 80 runs in 9 overs. Its like Hong Kong SIXES. The lesser number of overs you play the less skill is required, therefore, be it Chanderpaul of Sarwan or any one could have achieved that total.

    Hence my point was to change this D/L system by restricting the number of wickets also. Against a full total of England i.e., 162 to win for the WI, they reduced it to half 80 to win and instead of 20 overs it was 9 overs.

    Therefore, it is important to reduce the number of batsmen to score as well, and why not? Doesn’t it make more sense? Remember the number of overs were restricted per bowler 4×2 and one more to complete the 9 overs. So why not just 5 out of the 10 batsmen to achieve the target?

    If that was the case England would have won or the WI would have played differently, they would have paced their innings more cautiously, but knowing they have 10 wickets in hand they could throw their bat at every ball to accelerate and then leave it for others to complete.

    If Sarwan and Chanderpaul couldn’t have scored 35 runs in 22 balls then it would have been a real shame on them. There is nothing great about it and making Sarwan the POM for his 19 in 9 balls is a joke.

  258. #258 by Awas on June 16, 2009 - 7:39 AM

    Javed

    But it was Wasim Akram who made that remark. Read my comment 269 again 🙂 I was watching the recording of the match, that’s how I noticed it after reading your comment.

    It’s a different debate whether D/L method is fair or not and an altogether different debate of not having all T20 “specialist” in a team. In that match when WI batted all T20 specialists got out early. The task was still hard as 45 runs were still required when Bravo got out and there were only 22 balls left but experienced test players managed it. India couldn’t do it in not a dissimilar situation against England when it was T20 specialists Dhoni and Pathan batting but still fell short by 3 runs.

  259. #259 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 9:37 AM

    It came from the horse’s mouth

    In the press conference after the match against Ireland, Younis was asked whether he will be flexible in the batting order. He said,

    “I know Fawad Alam has not got a chance but I want to get my senior batsmen into form like Afridi so they can fire in the big games”.

    So basically, Younis thinks rather than let an in form batsman play higher up, he should get out of form batsmen into form so they can deliver?

    This is all BS, the main thing is that they know Fawad can replace them so they don’t want him to bat. Simple as.

  260. #260 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 9:42 AM

    Qadir explains reasons behind his resignation

    LAHORE, June 12 (APP): Former national chief selector, Abdul Qadir on Friday said that interference in his job forced him to resign and alleged Pakistan Cricket Board also did not give him a free hand in the selection process.

    “I resigned because I felt that there was grave interference in my job and I was not able to do justice in selection,” he told a press conference here at his residence.

    He said he accepted the job as a mission and a challenge to serve Pakistan cricket but PCB did not give him a free hand in the selection.

    A lot of pressure was put on him from various quarters inside the Board regarding the selection of players for Twenty20 World Cup and Pak A team for the tour of Australia, he added.

    “When I took over as chief selector I asked the Chairman, PCB, Ijaz Butt that I should be given free hand in the selection and that was made part of my job contract and he (Butt) assured me that I will be having full liberty as far as selection of players is concerned,” he said.

    “Unfortunately in clear violation of my contract I faced a lot of hardship during selection of players as pressure was mounted on me and there was open interference in my job which was totally unacceptable to me and forced me to quit,” he asserted.

    He alleged that in the present scenario the selection committee has become a rubber stamp and if decisions are to be taken other than by selection committee then there is no justification to have the selectors and this committee should be abolished.

    The former spin king said he also advocated the idea of having two captains for the team which was rejected by the authorities of PCB.

    I was kept into dark when Rao Iftikhar replaced injured Shoaib Akhtar in the Pakistan team for Twenty20 Cup and I decided to resign that day but I delayed the decision because at that time I was also finalising Pak A team and my resignation at that time could have deprived some deserving players from getting a place in the team,” he said.

    “Even in the selection of Pak A team I faced pressure from PCB officials including Zakir Khan, Sultan Rana, Wasim Bari and junior chief selector Muhammad Ilyas,” he alleged adding “I was the only chief selector who selected the teams while watching the players on field rather sitting in a air conditioned room “.

    He dismissed the charges taking a precious diamond watch in bribe regarding selection of players and termed it a negative propaganda. “My entire life portrays a clear picture of honesty and I will like to live in the same manner rest of my life.”
    Answering a question he alleged Pak team manager, Yawar Saeed is more powerful than Chairman PCB as he takes decision on his own without consulting any one or without any ones approval.

    “Coach Intikhab Alam is too old to fit in the role of Pak teams coach and there should a young coach to replace him,” he believed.

    He alleged even one of the members of the governing board Shakil Sheikh also pressurised him to include one of his favourite player in Pak A team which he refused that speaks volume of interference in the selection process.

    The former chief selector said if he was given a free hand in selection of Pak team for Twenty20 World Cup ,Younis Khan and Shoaib Malik were not part of the team as both of the players did not fulfil the criteria of selection as they were promoting politics in the team.

  261. #261 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 10:03 AM

    Shocking news coverage

    I read many online newspapers and not even one of them has reported negatively on Vettori’s suspicions regarding Umar Gul. What they have reported is that Younis is angry, or Younis is upset etc, but they have not commented on how disgraceful it was for Vettori to make those comments without any evidence.

    I urge the British, Australian and New Zealand journalists to wake up and cover this issue with some dignity and integrity.

  262. #262 by Mohammed Munir on June 16, 2009 - 12:14 PM

    Khansahab …

    You said, “It came from the horse’s mouth

    So you think Younis is a horse ??

    My, my, how nice of you to call him a horse 😉

    Yeh Tu Aap Ki Zarra Nawazi Hai, Janaab 😆

  263. #263 by Awas on June 16, 2009 - 12:18 PM

    Note of the week
    To Chris Gayle: Paris Hilton called and she asked for her day-glo green shades back.

    Quote of the week
    “England are the new Pakistan”
    David Lloyd after England beat India

    Ploy of the week I
    Bouncers, lots and lots of bouncers, at Indian batsmen.

    Bowling spell of the week
    Umar Gul: 5 for 6. What? You want descriptions as well?

    Mischief-making of the week
    Daniel Vettori

  264. #264 by Mohammed Munir on June 16, 2009 - 12:19 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Munir it is your job to check out because Shoaib is in Dubai.

    Well I actually did not know that Shoaib is in Dubai, now that you told me, I will ask him 😉

  265. #265 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 12:24 PM

    khansahab

    And the way Vettori finally withdrew his accusations is by saying is very funny, he said: “The amount of reverse swing that we saw was new to us and therefore we raised a couple of concerns, They relayed back to us that they had no issues at all with the state of the ball. We accepted that and now we move on to our important game against Sri Lanka and we had no discussions with Younis after the game regarding the matter.”

    He tried to create a controversy and that too an ugly one and when he realized there is nothing that can be done, so he is playing innocent. Vettori nay apna soovar pun tou dikha diya and, now he can try to show a holier than thou attitude. This is a issue which the PCB should take it up with the New Zealand Cricket Board and the ICC and ask them to apologize officially and publicly.

  266. #266 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 12:32 PM

    I don’t understand how and why such incompetent people can be associated with the cricket board of a cricket loving nation that has been associated with Test cricket for over 50 years.

    Why are people saying now that Inti Alam is too old to be a coach? If he is too old and incompetent, why was this not picked up before his appointment? Who appointed him on what grounds and why didn’t they think it through? How can they make such counter productive decisions which backfire?

    This is no different to hoping that Shoaib Akhtar will be fit and in-form one day, or hoping that Malik will somehow transform into a good Test calibre player.

  267. #267 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 12:32 PM

    It came from the horse’s mouth………….

    Yeah, the horse called Younus Khan has finally neighed and deciphered his blabbering that is a load of cavalier shit. Abdul Razzaq’s inclusion in the team is welcomed by everyone, he is a bowling asset at the moment because of Tanvir’s poor form. But, his batting is more effective at number 6 or 7 and that suits his role as a late hitter and also a comfort for other players that a senior player who is a big time hitter is still behind them. Therefore, Fawad Alam should be promoted up the order so that he can play some shots with some confidence rather than coming to bat in the 18th over or totally un-utilized as a batsman and also as a bowler.

    Sri Lanka to bat after winning the toss
    and NZ trying everything ……..they are using Nathan McCullum, a spinner to open the bowling attack. They did this in the past using Jeetan Patel. Lets see how the game progresses.

  268. #268 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 12:33 PM

    Jayasuriya OUT for a duck on first ball.

  269. #269 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 12:44 PM

    On Daniel Vettori saying, “we have never seen the ball reverse swing so much after ten overs….” I would love to quote this expression: ” If the purblind nocturnal mouse sees not the sunlight, it is not the later to be blamed.” Wake up Daniel and smell coffee there is a whole world out there which is so different from your “Alice in New Zealand world.”

  270. #270 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 12:49 PM

    Chamara Silva gone too, 25 for 2 Sri Lanka.

    It will be good for Pakistan if New Zealand wins then they don’t have to play South Africa in the semis and also they play WI at the Oval and this time they will play better against the Windies.

  271. #271 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 1:03 PM

    LOL @ cricinfo’s new look which is so gaudy and confusing and the worst is on PakSpin page, now they are advertising a “Baazar-e-Husn” page on their blog, “Meet the Pakistani Girls” what a PIMPISH LOOK I must say. Can’t they do better without those ads?

  272. #272 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 2:01 PM

    New Zealand will have to chase just about the same score between Sri Lanka and Australia on this very ground. So, NZ needs to score 159 to win. Challenging total and it will be an exciting match unless the New Zealanders crumble against MMM.

    This Sri Lanakan commentator, Abhinayke? He is such a drone and a boring commentator, an ear sore! 😀

  273. #273 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 2:15 PM

    PCB appoints Bari as Chief Selector

    ——————————————————————————–

    LAHORE (Zulqarnain Shiekh): Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has appointed its Director Human Resources Wasim Bari as interim Chairman of Selection Committee to select the Pakistan cricket team for upcoming Sri Lanka tour, reports ARY NEWS.

    Coach, Captain and Vice Captain of Pakistan team will be the interim members of this committee for Sri Lanka tour only, said a spokesman of PCB here on Tuesday. Final approval of the team will be given by Chairman PCB.

    Wasim Bari, currently working with the PCB as its Director Human Resources, was reported to be willing to work with the Board as its chief selector as he did not have much interest in his existing post, national press reports.

    Bari, a former captain and wicketkeeper, has already had two stints as chief selector in the past.

    The teams selected by him represented the country in the 2003 and 2007 World Cups, but Pakistan failed to qualify for the second round on both occasions.

    Former Chief Selector Abdul Qadir was appointed chief selector about six months ago resigned on Monday after the PCB’s Governing Board members lashed out at him for mishandling the affairs of selection in their meeting of June 5. PCB Chairman Ijaz Butt, too, had earlier expressed his dissatisfaction over Qadir’s choice.

  274. #274 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 2:29 PM

    Bari has been a puppet of the PCB management ever since he has been in and out of that crooks team. I don’t think it is a good decision to appoint Bari as the chief selector, neither him nor Aamir Churail both are biased and unfair Bari was very, very supportive of Malik and we all know how competent Malik is as a captain and as a player. So, all the best to Pakistan team selection from now.

    khansahab

    Is Yawar Saeed that fat guy, who is seen at the dugout wearing a jacket and tie?

  275. #275 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 2:32 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I have not seen that man at the dugout, but this is Yawar Saeed:

  276. #276 by Awas on June 16, 2009 - 2:34 PM

    Javed

    That fat guy is “Big Butt”

  277. #277 by Shoaib on June 16, 2009 - 2:53 PM

    @ Munir & Javed Khan

    Thanks Munir for covering my back lol

    and Javed Sahab i’m not in Dubai, I am in London and I am an adult, trust me! lol so what was the meaning of those 2……..lol

  278. #278 by Shoaib on June 16, 2009 - 2:56 PM

    How did you guyz upload your picture with comments. I would like to have mine on as well 🙂

  279. #279 by Awas on June 16, 2009 - 3:48 PM

    So it looks like Pak v SA semi in Nottingham

  280. #280 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 6:05 PM

    moon Shoaib chanda why do want to know what it is? I know you are in London because of your temp IP address and I was kidding when I wrote that to Munir.

  281. #281 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 6:19 PM

    If India reach this target in 16 overs Pakistan will play West Indies.

  282. #282 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 6:24 PM

    khansahab WAH

    You just answered my question which I was about to ask. And it was “In how many overs India should beat SA to ruin their run rate and make Pakistan play against West Indies?”

    It would be better for Pakistan to play against the West Indies.

  283. #283 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 6:53 PM

    What is India doing? Gambhir, Raina and Rohit Sharma threw away their wickets, Yuvraj was lucky after facing first 3 dot balls he gave a chance back to the bowler Duminy who jumped, not high enough but, only to touch his fingers to the ball, Yuvraj if he stays can win the match but, right now the SA spinners are dominating the scene just like the Indian spinners did and they bowled 14 overs. I wonder why Dhoni did not use Yousuf Pathan for the last over instead of Zaheer Khan? Zaheer gave 13 runs in his last over.

    Ps.

    One thing is for sure India will not do this in 16 overs, it will be a tight finish.

  284. #284 by Shoaib on June 16, 2009 - 7:09 PM

    I am Yousaf Pathan right hand batsman and my nick name is Yousaf Pathan. lol WTF

    Javed Khan Sahib : i wanna know because i am an adult, though i am a quite strong man but not as strong as my curiosity is lol

  285. #285 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 7:19 PM

    Shoaib

    How old are you?

  286. #286 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 7:38 PM

    Do you think India can win after Yuvraj’s departure? I doubt it.

  287. #287 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 16, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    India had an opportunity to salvage some lost pride, but they have lost it. Raina is totally out of form and he needs to be dropped, he should be wearing a thinking cap and stop considering his favourite shot is pull shot. His pull shots are going up like a pie in the sky.

    This defeat against South Africa will add more fuel to the fire on Dhoni’s effigy that is being burnt in India. He got run out mainly his own fault, there was no run but the commentators are saying Yuvraj would have made it, but I doubt. Dhoni was seen very angry after run out and when he came as a runner for Harbhajjan Singh he refused Yuvraj’s call for a single, which was definitely there and the next ball Harbhajan was out.

    India did not win a single match in the super eight. And, SA remained unbeaten so far in this tournament.

  288. #288 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 7:52 PM

    It’s confirmed on Cricinfo- Pakistan are playing South Africa.

    Don’t really know whether this match will relax Pakistan or panic them, because a strong Indian batting attack could not subvert South Africa, yet South Africa fell to Indian spin and could only muster 130.

    Were it not for the “choker’s tag”, everyone would be assuming South Africa would win.

    I agree with Javed A Khan that the team should not be changed. I would get spin introduced asap and use Fawad if I have to. Younis will have to be a bit more proactive with his bowling changes. If he feels Kallis and Gibbs are attacking the fast bowling he should introduce Ajmal before the end of the fielding restrictions. I didn’t mention Afridi’s name there because Afridi is quicker and it might help the ball to travel slightly faster once it comes off the bat.

  289. #289 by Shoaib on June 16, 2009 - 7:58 PM

    Khansahab i lost my birth certificate when i was 5 year old

  290. #290 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 7:59 PM

    Shoaib

    You must be having a passport or driving licence?

  291. #291 by Shoaib on June 16, 2009 - 9:24 PM

    Khansahab

    Well you seem quite serious about my age and i like curiosity……but i still can tell you but dont wanna publish my age on the net you know 😉

  292. #292 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 9:39 PM

    Shoaib

    I just want to establish whether you are Abdul?

  293. #293 by khansahab on June 16, 2009 - 10:07 PM

    Interesting interview of Qadir and Tauqir Zia on Mubashir Lucman’s show. They discuss amongst other things, corruption and nepotism in cricket and Pakistan cricket’s heroes:

    http://www.siasat.pk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5365

  294. #294 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 1:06 AM

    khansahab

    IF Pakistan wins the toss they MUST bat first and try to put on a score over 160 and I can assure you that SA will choke chasing it. If you look at their matches against West Indies, England and India there weren’t any big totals and they struggled chasing. Even the match against New Zealand i.e. prior to the super8 they were all very close matches so, it is not difficult for Pakistan to beat them if Younus Khan introduce the spin at the right time and Gul after the 12th over and, the most important thing is they field well. Then, Gibbs, Kallis Tabarnak et al will go one by one.

    While batting they need to negotiate well with Parnel he is bowling well, so is Bootha and Van Der Merwe. But the only way to beat them is to attack from the beginning and keep on attacking. The moment you are defensive they will pounce back on you with their superb fielding and accurate bowling.

    Of course, they should not change the team, it is a winning combination and a bit of advise to young Shahzaib Hasan Khan.

    Shahzaib plays his first 3-4 airy fairy shots very mildly and half-heartedly and it appears that he is going to get caught out just outside the inner circle, so far he has survived but, against South Africa’s good fielding they will run fast and catch him. Therefore, he must hit it a bit hard and safe, those loopy shots are dangerous and risky try to add a bit more power to those shots in the power play and keep the elevation a bit low.

  295. #295 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 1:27 AM

    INDIA’S EXIT FROM T20 WORLD CUP A MATTER OF BAD LUCK?

    I have been reading the reviews, comments, match analysis of a few Indian experts, bloggers, fans and most of them are saying that India’s exit from the WC is matter of bad luck. I don’t get this.

    If matches are won on the basis of good luck and lost on the basis of bad luck then there is no need of skills, class, professionalism, decision making, team selection, planning, strategy, execution etc. etc.

    This kinda thinking is a common phenomenon among the people of sub-continent, they even believe in going to temples, mosques, darga (shrines), sai baba, pir sayeen etc., to get their blessings.

    We all knew that India is playing too much cricket, more than any team in the world. Excess of everything is bad. They got tired, over worked, injured, restless and it is obvious that after a point or a time The Law of Diminishing Utility Returns becomes applicable……… The performance may peak but, it will come down after a certain period of time and that is exactly what happened to India and Indian players.

    Pakistan on the other hand got the least number of matches, lesser than Bangladesh and we all know why? They also had other teething problems not just, political and security wise but, within the team there were divisions and fractions and yet the team came a step ahead than what was expected from them. With that attitude and with all those problems I was thinking that they will not even qualify for the super8, reaching the semi-finals is definitely an achievement.

    But, you don’t stop here. This is an opportunity for the team to prove a point that, ICC can take away and relocate the cricket venues from Pakistan but, they cannot take away the cricketing spirit from Pakistan. I strongly urge Malik, Misbah and Akmal to forget about regionalism at the moment and think of Pakistan as a country and play as one unit. And, Younus Khan should be more professional in his approach rather than showing generosity. If they win the cup the whole nation will hail them as heroes and after that they can sit down and sort out the differences and move ahead. But, this is the time to put aside all the differences and play as one unit.

  296. #296 by M. Y. Kasim on June 17, 2009 - 2:39 AM

    What a remarkable article, Javed Khan!

    If only Malik, Misbah and Akmal would, for once, rise above their narrow-minded thinking.

    I have strong gut feeling that Pakistan would thrash South Africa, not because S. A. are chokers or we are better than them, but we have a tendency to avenge/revenge(there are four Pathans in the team, mind you).

    Re: Wasim Bari as Chairman of Selection Commitee, less said, better. As I have been saying all along, Abdul Qadir is an honest, respectable person and will never stoop low before these crookes.

    Let the biggest of all crook return from Russia (with Love) and decide something.

  297. #297 by newguy30 on June 17, 2009 - 3:54 AM

    Guys,

    Congratulations on Pakistan making it to semis. What a dramatic turn of events. India, Australia, NZ and Eng out, while SA, Pak, SL, and WI are in. The first two were considered guaranteed semi-finalists while Pak and WI were not given much of a chance. Here on it’s just two good games. If Pakistan bat first and put up anything over 150 they have chance, if SA bat first then it’s tough to chase.

    India getting out is no big deal actually, it’s a sport, these things happen, especially in T20 luck plays a big part. India don’t play well when there is a large expectation on them, they play best when no one gives a thought. More or less same goes for Pakistan.

    Today’s game with SA was pathetic performance though, can’t play pace, can’t play spin either. I think the new bunch of starlets like Raina, Rohit, and established start like Yuvi and Dhoni are all good at slam bang on dead tracks.

    One thing is that India has improved their ODI performance over last couple of years while their T20 record went down after the world cup last time. Before then they were not so good at ODI, if you ask me I prefer them getting better at ODI and Test cricket and worry about T20 last. I feel like too much T20 kills the real skills, like the younger generation Indian batsmen are showing. They also did not have the intensity in any of the games, almost like they never wanted to be in the games. May be they are all too rich from IPL already so no motivation left playing for the country, they must be thinking I just want to finish this up and go shopping for the designer items in England.

    Anyway, good luck to Pakistan in semi, SL is a team to watch for – Mendis and Murali are wily customers, and in batting Dilshan, Mahela and Sanga are showing consistency.

  298. #298 by Mohammed Munir on June 17, 2009 - 4:45 AM

    Shoaib …

    You can’t be Abdul … rather you are his dearest friend 😉

    BTW, which year did you loose your birth certificate ?

    And, oh yes, where is Abdul these days ? I guess he would have finished his exams, haven’t he ?

  299. #299 by khansahab on June 17, 2009 - 7:50 AM

    Kasim sahab

    Who is the 4th Pathan? Shahzaib Hasan Khan?

    He could be, with his bushy eyebrows and slightly taller stature than most Karachiites.

  300. #300 by khansahab on June 17, 2009 - 8:07 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Very well written, however I don’t think the team politics can end because these players have been doing it for years. If Pakistan wins it will be because of individual brilliances of Gul, Afridi, Ajmal or Younis Khan.

    I think the Indian defeat was because of complacency after beating Pakistan by a big margin and also, the players were tired and worked out I guess. India has one of the best T20 teams luck should have favoured them, not gone against them.

    I don’t know whether Younis is naive or indifferent to this, but every match there has been at least one batsman who has not performed despite eating many balls (one of Malik, Akmal and Misbah). When I say this people think I am talking about the strike rate, but I am talking more about intent. When the need arises you should go for the shots and not take singles. Your body language should show that you tried, it doesn’t matter where you end up hitting the ball. If your intent is positive and you are thinking about your shots then there is a greater likelihood that you will succeed in hitting, unlike Malik who takes singles for the first 25 deliveries and then tries to hit and gets out.

    Whenever Fawad Alam has batted he has shown intent, whether that was in the 2 balls he faced against Netherlands or the 11 balls he faced against Sri Lanka. Malik faced 7 balls for 4 runs against Ireland, and you can compare Fawad’s body language and approach against Dirk Nannes bowling yorkers at 90mph. This is what I am talking about and supporters of Malik should understand it. It is common sense and a fair comment.

  301. #301 by Shoaib on June 17, 2009 - 9:17 AM

    Khansahab & Javed A Khan

    Khansahab i am 31 year old and my full name is Shoaib Bin Naeem, interms of belief I am Abdullah but not by name. how do you upload your photos with your comments, if you could help me plz.

    Javed Sahab, i was checking highlights yesterday and in NZ Pak match one of the indian commentator was kept saying that oh Pakistan cant believe whats happening out their…..its like a dream for Pakistan…..i think he was trying to establish that Pakistan performance is because of luck or its just happening like a miracle……on the other hand fact is Pakistan did dominate NZ with their great performance but not just by chance. and i think it was Sanjay Manjerekar.

    If you analyze Indian team they had 2 warm up matches. They lost first warm up match against NZ and second they won against Pak and again we knew Pak team was not in form in the start of the tournament. Well League matches, india got easiest grouop amongst all, Ban and Ire. Super eight they couldnt even manage to win one match. I think indian team was an over rated team, nothing special and if indian journalists are giving excuses of bad luck, i think all i can say that they should try different bhajans in their worship lol so…….anyway i wouldnever be able to understand their extreme mentality….can you believe in india one of the villages they had made Dhoni\’s statue and worshipping it, can anyone believe that they were worshipping alive person and now i heard in news that they chuck his statue out of the worship place lol. both ways extreme.

  302. #302 by Awas on June 17, 2009 - 9:22 AM

    khansahab

    LOL @ supporters of Malik…which one? Unless you are referring to someone on another website 🙂

    I just hope Fawad gets to bat before Malik and Misbah and Younus does something different there in that batting order. Javed mentions a score of 160 as a good total but it may not be possible at this slow wicket. Even something like 145-150 could be a good total. In this competition it’s the bowlers who are shining more than the batsmen and winning matches. So, let’s see!

    I just get the feeling that Afridi is coming to some kind of batting form. If he does fire, he might just change the course of the match. Didn’t Afridi bat well in the last semi-final?

    If Pakistan beat SA here then I think they will go on to win the final at Lords.

    newguy30

    You made some good points here. Yeah, luck has a little part to play in this format of the game, I think, and that Pakistan and India both play better when the expectations are not high. In that last final, if Misbah had played that scoop shot little harder out of the reach of the catcher then India would have lost instead, so whether an element of luck or not but something like that happened there.

  303. #303 by Shoaib on June 17, 2009 - 9:24 AM

    Did really Younus Khan say that he would try his out of form batsman (Shoaib Malik) rather giving chance to inform (Fawad Alam). what kind of statement is that….he is not capable of being a Captain. that\’s discrimination and that\’s stupidity. oh dear me if he would be infront of me i would love to slap on his face. he is a complete Akhrot, PCB should get rid of him after this tournament.

  304. #304 by Awas on June 17, 2009 - 9:35 AM

    Shoaib

    PCB should get rid of a lot of people that I can think of but before you slap on his face and before they get rid of that Akhroat, who at least is the number one ranked batsman in the world, who do you think they should appoint? Does anyone else hold better credentials in your mind?

  305. #305 by Shoaib on June 17, 2009 - 9:59 AM

    Awas

    I don\’t know who is better, i have been away from Pakistan cricket since i came to UK, with the start of T20 that\’s the first time after 6 years I watched any cricket match. But i know for sure that he doesnt have captain\’s attitude.
    1- in the start he was complete non serious about T20 tournament, that was my first ever experience to see that type of stupidity.
    2- later on he was advising MS Dhoni to how to just ignore Indian media and their criticism and concentrate on cricket…what? he was trying to be happy go lucky kind of person. Did dhoni ask for his advice, they dont give a shit about Younus Khan. I was in Brit Oval India Pak warm up match and i could see infront of me indians dancing and saying crush Pakistan. Dhoni even never bothered to reply him, Younus should only concentrate about Pakistan Team. Who cares what happens to other teams in their country, did anyone help us when we were suffering from controversies. This is Professional cricket not a charity show.

    3- I could not believe when he sent Shoaib Malik to bat before Fawad when only couple of overs had been left and everybody knows Shoaib\’s current performance and what he did no big shots just singles with Razzaq………and later on our captain goes that he would still try out of form batsman to send rather trying young talent. what kind of rubbish is that. i never ever seen a stupid idiot captain in my life like him. He thinks he doesnt have a brain but some kind of super sonic computer he thinks he is so big and whatever he would say will become a history. well yeah this is the history of cricket.

  306. #306 by khansahab on June 17, 2009 - 10:31 AM

    What a difference in perspective!

    This is what a New Zealand journalist said about Umar Gul and that match:

    Umar Gul: Ball scratcher at The Oval?

    Paul Holden

    Umar Gul\’s extraordinary bowling performance on Saturday morning was singlehandedly responsible for seeing New Zealand\’s tenuous position of 73-4 escalate into a full-blown catastrophe and 99 all out. That is not to say we weren\’t outplayed elsewhere, of course, but the mincing of our last six wickets for not many ended up killing the game.

    The aftermath of Gul\’s 5/6 has been intriguing with allegations of nefarious ball-tampering deeds swirling around the Pakistan team. For the record, on the TV I saw nothing untoward except a lot of red cordial being imbibed by men in green whilst in the field – and I think cordial remains off the banned substance list for now.
    The normally mild-mannered New Zealand captain Daniel Vettori (unusually described as being \”an unusual man\” by Reuters earlier in the week) steered away from any direct allegation but reading between the lines it seemed he was distinctly uncomfortable with Gul\’s newly developed knack for reverse swing with a relatively new white ball in England. (I say \”normally\” because the image of Vettori going berserk on the balcony at The Oval as New Zealand overcame Paul Collingwood\’s poor sportsmanship last year is hard to forget.)

    Derek Pringle reported in The Telegraph that as he witnessed the middle- and lower-order carnage firsthand, Vettori complained to umpires Mark Benson of England and Rod Tucker about his suspicions while he was batting in the middle:

    \”Vettori\’s concerns centred upon the ball\’s quarter seam, which when lifted (illegal under the laws of the game) can aid reverse-swing. The umpires, England\’s Mark Benson and Australia\’s Rod Tucker, did inspect the ball but only for deliberate scuffs and scratches, none of which were of an incriminating nature.\”

    After the match, the New Zealand team raised concerns with match referee Ranjan Madugalle about the state of the ball, but the claims were rejected and NZ Cricket\’s public affairs manager said that was the end of the matter. There has been some open disbelief and admiration for Gul\’s efforts from the Kiwis but no public seething, or unproven allegations. If the Black Caps had suspicions, they were right to ask the umpires and the match referee to investigate. With nothing illegal uncovered, their response has been dignified, at least in public.
    However, you can rest assured that the New Zealanders have not made any friends in Pakistan. The mandatory vitriol has filled the comments pages on Cricinfo with Vettori labelled a \”cry baby\”. But if he thought something dodgy was going on, what was he supposed to do? Better to raise it through official channels, then at the end of that road, shut up and focus on Sri Lanka.

    Perhaps unfairly, the benefit of the doubt for Pakistani fast bowlers seems to have been eroded over the years after Waqar Younis was the first player to be suspended for a ball-tampering infraction back in 2000 in an ODI against South Africa, Imran Khan made the wonderful admission that he was an occasional \”ball-scratcher\” in the 1980s, an umpire-enforced ball change came during an ODI at Lord\’s between Pakistan and England in 1992 (with Waqar and Wasim Akram wreaking havoc), Shoaib Akhtar\’s 2002 offence against Zimbabwe, and the infamous Inzamam vs Hair Affair at The Oval in 2006.

  307. #307 by khansahab on June 17, 2009 - 10:54 AM

    Pakistan leave for Sri Lanka on 27th June, so the squad should be announced in the next few days…..

    It will be interesting to see how many in the T20 squad get selected.

  308. #308 by Awas on June 17, 2009 - 11:22 AM

    Younus: We want to win it for Woolmer

    Younus Khan has revealed Pakistan are aiming to win the ICC World Twenty20 as a tribute to former coach Bob Woolmer.

    Englishman Woolmer died during Pakistan’s 2007 World Cup campaign in the Caribbean and Younus believes Lord’s final success in this current tournament would be a fitting tribute.

    Woolmer spent more than two-and-a-half years in charge, with the majority of the current squad regulars during that period.

    “He was an inspiring person for us,” said Younus, whose team have overcome a slow start to reach the semi-finals.

    He was like a father figure for me and for the whole team. We all still miss him and if we win the World Cup I will dedicate that final game to him.

    Younus still refers to Woolmer’s advice for his match strategies, evident in the last few days as he has revamped the Pakistan batting order to good effect.

    Kamran Akmal and Shahid Afridi have been shunted towards the top in a bid to stimulate some runs ahead of bigger games and both have shown signs of clicking.

    I learned a lot of things from Bob and he was always flexible, especially in the batting order,” Younus said.

    “I thought we needed a couple of in-form batsmen for big games like the semi-final and final.”

    A failure to make big enough scores plagued Pakistan’s start to this event and their 48-run thrashing by England in their opening group game threatened their future participation.

    They were still a little below their aspirations with 159 for five against Ireland at The Oval in Monday’s comfortable win, but Younus said: “Everybody knows we’re slow starters.

    “We take some time and we need some time for ourselves and now we are just two wins away from winning the World Cup. “I still believe we were 20 runs short. It would be good if we could put 180 or 200 on the board because in the semi-finals there will be good teams against us and it’s not possible to win all the time scoring 150.”

    Pakistan’s biggest worries with the ball currently come from outside the camp with Younus claiming yesterday that innuendo suggesting his team were ball-tampering was “embarrassing”.

    Umar Gul’s five for six against New Zealand raised eyebrows among their opponents but his success has not come overnight.

    Gul is the leading wicket-taker in 20-over internationals’ short history with 36 – six ahead of team-mate Shahid Afridi, who is next best and also finished as the most prolific bowler in the previous world tournament with 13 victims in South Africa.

    “He knows the art, especially in Twenty20,” said Younus. “He has worked hard in the nets. He has spoken to Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan and Shoaib Akhtar.
    It’s all about hard work in the nets and that’s why he’s improving from day to day.”

  309. #309 by Shoaib on June 17, 2009 - 11:26 AM

    I hope that is all said by Younas Khan lol

  310. #310 by Awas on June 17, 2009 - 12:23 PM

    Shoaib

    Naahh…we just made it up 🙂

  311. #311 by Awas on June 17, 2009 - 12:36 PM

    ICL is low standard cricket, says Razzaq
    Back in the national side after snapping ties with the ICL, Pakistan all-rounder Abdul Razzaq said he had a torrid time adjusting to mainstream cricket after playing in the “low standard” rebel League.
    “It wasn’t easy getting back into international cricket after a long absence. This is the highest standards of cricket being played in the world and playing in the ICL and its low standards of cricket, it needs a great deal of mental adjustment,” Razzaq told the ‘Dawn’ newspaper in London.

  312. #312 by Varun Suri on June 17, 2009 - 1:50 PM

    Well, Life has come a full Circle for MS Dhoni and the Indian Team. After a 2 Year Honeymoon they have been rightly brought back to Earth.

    One could go on and on analysing the reasons for their debacle whether it was due to IPL or Bad Luck or Poor Captaincy but it will not alter the results so the only thing constructive for the Indian Team out of this tournament is to improve upon their technical abilities was one of the reasons for their failure for e.g. the widely mentioned/discussed Weakness against short delivery, I remember few months ago Javed and me argued about Raina v/s Sharma but both of them were badly exposed after this tournament and both of them are equally susceptiable to the short ball although Sharma got few runs against the minnows but Raina did not get any opportunity in those first few matches and when he got he screwed up badly by aiming at the stars instead of the boundary …

    The other big notable reason for India’s failure has to be MS Dhoni’s form with both batting and captaincy. Maybe he needs a rest after a hectic schedule but Luck has got nothing to do with his form and that is one thing which he can change in the near future.

    Ishant sharma also got a reality check after IPL and more so especially in this tournament now whether this experience will help him to develop his lost swing (in pursuit of pace) or he will continue to go downhill is also not dependent on Luck but only on Ishant Sharma himself.

    Other than the Lambu, bowling was decent but the poor batting did not give any chances to the bowlers to really celebrate anything.

    One chance to re-gain some public confidence and pride is soon awaiting the bruised Indian Team in the Caribbean.

    Pakistan seems to be on a roll now and I have good reason to believe that they can beat South Africa and make it to the finals and maybe even lift the cup.

    IF Pakistan wins I am sure they would like to play the Windies in the finals rather than Srilanka??Any thoughts?

    Shoaib,

    Mia, The X-treme quality you have mentioned about the Indians turning GODS into DOGS is not only a Indian quality but also a Pakistani quality bhai aakhir khoon to ek hi hai naa…

    Every Dog has It’s day, Ours was 2 Years ago maybe Your’s is this Sunday!!!?

  313. #313 by Shoaib on June 17, 2009 - 4:24 PM

    Varun Suri

    I think like any other nation we should not take cricket a matter of life or death. We all know cricket is unprecitable especially T20. as far as Pakistan cricket is concerned we have learnt our lesson i guess. crciket is unpredictable so as Pakistan team, so we most of the people dont make it life or death situation, i remember when i was teenager how stressfull was to watch a cricket match but now time is different, now Pakistan cricket team is neither gods nor dogs to us…… as far as inidan cricket is concerned i must say that was the same captain who won first T20 world cup for india and if he lost this time it shouldnt be such a big deal that people are burning his statues and raising slogans against him. I think time has come that we need to be a bit mature about it and we should take cricket like yet another sports. criticism no problem but not life and death.

  314. #314 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 4:47 PM

    Varun

    So you do remember our discussion about Raina vs. Rohit? There is not much difference between the two of them but, I would still choose Rohit over Raina. If you analyze the crucial matches it was Raina who let India down in every single big match in this tournament. Whereas, Rohit still managed to get some runs, both are very good fielders and both are part time bowlers. But, the batting which is very strong on paper once again failed like Pakistan’s batting.

    Yes, Dhoni’s batting form is affecting the winning spree, although against England Dhoni and My name is Yousuf Pathan and my nick name is Yousuf Pathan both played well, yet they lost that very crucial match by a very narrow margin. But against SA both screwed up. Yousuf Pathan was chewing the “ching-gum” like a Bhains chewing the cud (jugaali) shouldn’t someone tell him to slow down and chew a bit slowly? 😀

    Shoaib

    Varun has a point in terms of Gods….. I do remember seeing the Indian origin South ‘Africans bringing the Ganesh statue on the ground, they also brought with them multi-head masks of Rawan or some other Deity and they also were carrying Swastika posters. AND, in London during this T20 WC tournament, I saw some Pakistanis carrying a flag with “Kalima-e-Shahadat” on it and they were also raising religious slogans which in my opinion is not needed on a cricket ground.

    As long as you keep those fancy dresses and raise slogans to support your country its fine, but don’t bring religion on to the ground, there is always a place for everything and that you can bring religion into everything.

  315. #315 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 5:00 PM

    Awas It is good that you have posted those comments made by Younus Khan about Bob Woolmer.

    I have said this b4 so many times that Younus Khan should stop this Bob Woolmer worshiping, it sounds weird to me. May be Younus Khan has a lot of respect for him because he gave him too many chances and eventually he came out as a very successful test player. He may keep those feelings for Woolmer just as a matter of personal record as it is a matter of personal belief for him. But, he shouldn’t try to hammer it down on everyone’s head.

    I don’t believe in IF’s and BUT’s but, trust me if Woolmer was alive and he had come to Pakistan after losing the Caribbean World Cup, he would have been greeted with a garland of OLD SHOES and they would have burnt his effigy, in fact they did in Multan just before he died i.e., when Pakistan lost against Ireland. But, his death changed everything.

    I respect Bob Woolmer for what he was and like me, most people I guess also respect him, but there is no need to create a Woolmer Cult after his death or make an imaginary Woolmer shrine and start preaching and practicing his sayings like he was a PIR.

    Younus Khan, PLEASE cut it, right here. Next time don’t give speeches about Woolmer, don’t look back, instead look ahead and see how you can inspire Malik and Misbah and how you can keep Kamy the Khatmal to stay away from that M&M conspirators and play like he has played in a couple of matches by scoring some fast runs and the stumping that he made which made him a record holder of stumping.

  316. #316 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 5:08 PM

    khansahab

    On that article about Umar Gul scratching the ball, perhaps Vettori couldn’t scratch his own balls and feeling jealous. This is the least these people can do i.e., blame Pakistan for winning in style. If Umar Gul restricted NZ to 99 what happened to them against Sri Lanka especially when Ross Taylor was also playing, how much did they score, 111 ? So, what is the difference? They lost badly and that’s it. Can’t these people accept defeat with some grace?

    The point is NZ batsmen especially their ace batsman Jacob Oram is in miserable form and with Jessie Rider’s exit they lost hope and Taylor’s injury made them hopeless. Vettori got run out, nothing went their way. Even their bowlers were not bowling line and length and they got hammered even by the Sri Lankans.

  317. #317 by Theossa on June 17, 2009 - 5:28 PM

    Other Side of Abdul Qadir’s Resignation

    Well, most of you have praised Qadir for his “ethical” resignation but as a skeptical I smell some agenda here. It’s all about timing, he resigned when he judged that Pakistan won’t make it to the semi finals and there will be drastic changes in PCB yet again and maybe the whole PCB top management will be disposed off after T20 WC including him. So he made some bold allegations but nothing concrete or specific to back it up. So that he can come back even stronger after a new establishment is formed. If he was that ethical why he didn’t he say all this before the T20 WC? I’m not saying PCB management is all angels but I’m rather pointing that Qadir could be just a clever part of it. Well, his judgment was not great just like his bad judgment about inclusion of Shehzaib Hasan by Younus which he complained about. Nothing surprises me these days about politics in the country and especially in PCB.

    Pak-SA Semi Final

    SA is the favorite but Pakistan can win it with good bowling, good fielding, and just good enough batting. The pitch is different compared to the one used in India-SA clash. This one is supposed to be harder and less spin friendly. Given that Pakistan has two of the best spinners of the tournament Afridi and Ajmal who can generate turn on any surface, the pitch favors Pakistan. I think Pak should bat first and post at least 180 runs, although 160-170 could be a fighting total. If they lose the toss, they’ll probably lose the match. I like the current batting order better than the previous one. Shoaib definitely looked clueless and mad when sent low in the batting order. Afridi did the right thing by coming up in the order. Like I’ve been saying before he should concentrate on situational cricket as there aren’t many fast batting records left which he should be looking to break. He will be the key player tomorrow against SA. If he makes 30 odd runs on 18 balls it will boost Pakistan’s chances. In the bowling department he is in prime form and I rank him one of the best spinners around. Saeed Ajmal is getting better with each learning opportunity and he will be an asset in near future. He is a great find for Pakistan. Gul is simply the best fast T20 bowler, hats off to his performance against NZ. In batting Kamran Akmal, Afridi, and Younus will have to take responsibility. Both Akmal and Afridi have good record against SA. My prediction whoever wins the toss, wins the match. I agree with Awas that if Pak beats SA tomorrow, they’ll win the T20 WC. Usually whoever beats the top seed in semi finals, win the tournament.

  318. #318 by Salman Khan on June 17, 2009 - 5:29 PM

    I am not surprised about India’s exit. Well , I guess I am a bit surprised that they did not win a single game against a top class team, but really, I ,as an Indian ,am sick of the omnipresent Indian media talking endlessly about the “aggression” , the “best batting line up” and the “most balanced bowling attack”.India is a good team , full stop. They are not the world’s best and certainly not the most consistent.India’s only non-Indian fans in the media are Australian mainly cos they are the only team which have avoided being bulldozed by the rampaging Australians of the last decade.

    At this juncture , World Cricket is like the the Men’s tennis of the late 80s to mid 90s i.e. on their day anyone can win against anyone.There is not much to choose between Australia , SA, India, SL or Pakistan but the former two have the edge cos of their fielding and consistency. SL is an underestimated team IMO and we don’t know much about Pak as they haven’t played much recently, however, on the limited look I had in this tournamanet I found their bowling to be exceptionally good ,fielding to be exceptionally poor and batting reasonable.

  319. #319 by Awas on June 17, 2009 - 5:54 PM

    Salman Khan

    Good to hear from you.

    In T20 all eight test teams are just about at par against each other. No one team is invincible. On a given day any team can beat the other with one good performance, like the one we saw from Bravo against India and Gul against Newzealand. SA has looked clinical but then again India should have won their last match against them as the total was only 130, no matter how slow the pitch is, in India they only have slow pitches.

    If Pakistan do well all the way then that would be because of their good bowling more than anything else. With three good bowlers already in the team, Razzaq has just added another dimension to it.

    Theossa

    Hey, man you had taken a long sabbatical…good to see you are back.

  320. #320 by Varun Suri on June 17, 2009 - 6:17 PM

    Shoaib@ 337,

    “I am agree” totally with your comment but my only point was that the abadi of India and Pakistan is so much that even if we achieve 100 % Literacy and nobody is Poor or Hungry even then we will still find certain losers or jobless people who would burn effigies or smash their TV Sets or even commit suicide just because of a Game.
    So burning effigies or making a garland of shoes does not indicate the maturity or sensibility of such fans because these are the same people who elevate these human mortals to that something of a GOD and if you come to think of it they are not the real fans of Cricket, hardly anyone of them would be able to understand the finer nuances of this great game all they care is about Winning or Losing.

    Javed@338,

    Somebody has told My Nick-name is Yousaf Pathan that he resembles the great Vivian Richards if he chews the Chin-Gum like an Indian Cow does when her owner is “Nikaal-o-ing” the Doodh from you know where..

    I would agree with you on the technicalities of who is a better player between Rohit and Raina but the only reason for my bias would be something like the Regional Meesna-pan exhibited by Malak and such-like within the Pakistan Cricket Team. There has been similar regionalism within Indian Cricket for many decades with all the players with the Suffix KAR or belonging to the region of Mumbhai getting preferenential treatment over others the best living legend example of this feature is AJIT AGARKAR. Only recently we have seen more representation of other regions and one such example is Raina who plays for UP but is from near Delhi.

  321. #321 by Theossa on June 17, 2009 - 6:30 PM

    Younus Khan says to Khansahab and Munir:

    Abbe captain mien hon ya keh sala too hai
    Mere murzi jisse mien batting keliye bhejon
    Fawad se zyada Shoaib Malik khoobro hai
    Mera bus chale to usse sare overs bhee dedon

  322. #322 by Pawan on June 17, 2009 - 7:26 PM

    Varun

    I would like to contradict your “regionalism” claim. It is not only Mumbai that is getting preference over other small cities or towns. Have you ben to Mumbai? I am from Mumbai and I used to go to Shivaji Park almost everyday. Its a big stadium and from afternoon itself there is no place even to step in. So many youngsters from Mumbai and small towns near Mumbai come and play cricket there. It is an institution.

    The best example of this is not Ajit Agarkar — to my knowledge he was the fastest in the world to reach 50 wickets mark — He was in pomp when he was playing. Somehow he lost rythm and I don’t know what happened to him, but he was removed when he stopped performing. Look at the stats if you have any doubts. The best example would be Dhoni. He is a small town boy and look where he is now — the captain. I have always supported him. I am not against people playing from small towns. And I dont think there is partiality towards Mumbai or Delhi for that matter.

    There is always going to be some bias when a selector is from soem region. For example when Vengsarkar was the selector he used to pick more Mumbai boys, as he is from Mumbai. Now that Srikanth is the selector, he is picking mroe Chennai guys, such as M. Vijay, Karthick and Badrinath. I am not even blaming the selectors because if you see there is always going to be a personal touch and you cannot make everyone happy. Look, Srikanth basically is from Chennai, so he must be in touch with and must have groomed or guided certain players from Chennai and hence mustve had more confidence in them. Nothing wrong in picking such players, as long as they do the job. After all selectors are also humans.

    Life is not always 100% fair. There are times when one gets the credit or advantage when someone else deserves it and there are times when he or she is blamed for no reason.

  323. #323 by Varun Suri on June 17, 2009 - 9:37 PM

    Pawan,

    You are absolutely wrong in believing that Srikanth is giving preferential treatment to the South Indians. Where is Balaji, Vijay and Badrinath now in the team. Infact even after Badrinath was touted the next technically correct batsmen even better than either Sharma or Raina and for 2 Years he performed consistently in the Domestic Season but Unfortunately or Fortunately that time the FAB FOUR were holding the Fort of the Indian Middle Order and by the time Ganguly retired and there was a vacancy in the team, Badri performed badly in couple of matches and now he is totally not in consideration anymore.

    M. Vijay performed decently in the 4th Test Match against Australia in India recently,when Gambhir sat out in the last Test Match and he had replaced him but ever since Gambhir-Sehwag opening pair established themselves he was also out of consideration.

    Kartik has been in and out of the team regularly and I am not big fan of his but his performance did go up during this year’s IPL when Gambhir-Sehwag regularly failed and Dilshan-AB De Villiers-Kartik carried the Delhi Daredevils until the Semi-Finals, and also because he is the only other wicket-keeper so he is the natural replacement of Dhoni in the current set up.

    It is only in the last 10 Years that we have seen players like Dhoni and others hailing from small cities and partly the reason for that is the over-dominance of the Bombay Lobby in the Indian Cricket Circle.

    Okay, Agarkar was the fastest to take 50 wickets but after that he has done enough damage to his credentials that this might not be the best thing he would be remembered for but if there is one title for which he would surely be remembered for a long time to come is that he is truly The Comeback King!!

    The best example of Srikanth not being partial could be seen in the playing 11 of the Indian Team in this World Cup, there is not even a single South-Indian player in the team if you exclude Pragyan Ojha who plays for Andhra Pradesh but is actually from Bihar.

    Infact, I would go on record to say that Srikanth is one of the most fair and impartial selectors we have ever got until now.

    As far as Shivaji Park goes not all Cricketers who play thier end up being Tendulkars or even Kamblis infact there is a similar big ground near the Talkatora Stadium in Delhi but we have never heard of any player from Delhi honing up his skills on that ground or any player making it big who had played on that ground as a child/teen.

    If you travel across India in the East or even in the North you will get to hear similar views and I am a North-Indian so I do not have any obvious reasons to symphathise with the South-Indians, I just stated some facts and that’s all.

  324. #324 by Shoaib on June 17, 2009 - 10:15 PM

    Varun Suri @ 344

    Im totally agreed what you said earlier. I hope things will be better in the future. take care Varun

  325. #325 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 10:24 PM

    Varun & Pawan

    I am sure you guys know that Rohit Sharma is originally from Hyderabad and he lived in Mumbai, he still speaks Telugu, the regional language of Andhra Pradesh. The name Sharma is originally from Delhi, I guess? So where is he actually from? But, I agree with Varun that Mumbai dominance over other states and provinces goes way back in the history of Indian cricket.

    Umrigar, Manjrekar, Nadkarni, Faroukh Engineer, Vijay Merchant, Vijay Hazare, Ramakant Desai, Ajid Wadekar, Vengsarkar, Gavaskar, Tendulkar…….. the list goes on and on….

    IPL is definitely improving the standards of the young local Indian cricketers because they are playing with better players. BUT, it is a menace for other good players as their standard is going downhill. Like, Abdul Razzaq has confirmed that playing for ICL has lowered the standard of his game. We have been saying this on this blog for a long time and it took some time for Abdul Razzaq to admit it.

    I would say that Sohail Tanvir’s purple cap for highest wickets was not against the best batsmen in the world, Tanvir is now facing the best batsmen and getting spanked by these big boys. It may not be that direct an effect on his bowling but, mentally it has affected him that he is a great bowler, rather the best bowler in the world. The true test is when the camel comes near the mountain then he knows who is bigger?

  326. #326 by Shoaib on June 17, 2009 - 10:29 PM

    Javed A Khan’s highlights of the day:

    Yousuf Pathan was chewing the “ching-gum” like a Bhains chewing the cud (jugaali) shouldn’t someone tell him to slow down and chew a bit slowly?

    they also brought with them multi-head masks of Rawan or some other Deity.

    May be Younus Khan has a lot of respect for him because he gave him too many chances

    trust me if Woolmer was alive and he had come to Pakistan after losing the Caribbean World Cup, he would have been greeted with a garland of OLD SHOES

    I respect Bob Woolmer for what he was and like me, most people I guess also respect him, but there is no need to create a Woolmer Cult after his death or make an imaginary Woolmer shrine and start preaching and practicing his sayings like he was a PIR

    Younus Khan don’t look back, instead look ahead and see how you can inspire Malik and Misbah and how you can keep Kamy the Khatmal to stay away from that M&M conspirators

    On that article about Umar Gul scratching the ball, perhaps Vettori couldn’t scratch his own balls and feeling jealous

  327. #327 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 10:32 PM

    Normally when we say something important on this blog or criticize the players, teams or the governing bodies or, the system, it does have an impact and we have seen some action being taken in that regard.

    THE D/L METHOD


    When England lost the match against the West Indies on the D/L method I was screaming at the farcical method of calculation that it is wrong. And, on this blog in this very thread I have asked for a review or a reconsideration of this comical system, which always favours the team playing second. It is all up there in the comments.

    Now, here is what they are talking about and this is the latest on cricinfo:

    Twenty20 leads to Duckworth-Lewis review
    Cricinfo staff

    June 17, 2009

    http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/409482.html

    A report in the Guardian claims that the Duckworth-Lewis system used in rain-affected matches will be reviewed in the coming months to take into account Twenty20 matches. 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 Ha ha ha ha …. line per aa rehay hain 😀 😀 😀

    The Duckworth-Lewis method was introduced in 1997 after several failed attempts to come up with a way to make rain-affected one-day games more competitive. Since then, although there have been minor changes to the way run chases are calculated, no major overhaul has been undertaken. But the different needs of Twenty20 cricket means the time has come for a rethink.

    “People have suggested that we need to look very carefully and see whether in fact the numbers in our formula are totally appropriate for the Twenty20 game,” Frank Duckworth, one of the co-inventors, told the newspaper. “We thought it was appropriate to wait until the end of this competition when we’ve got a lot more Twenty20 data on our database.

    “If there are any changes these should be ready for the commencement of the southern hemisphere season on 1 October.” He added that if there were alterations, they were unlikely to make a significant difference to the calculations.

    An ICC spokesman said it was “happy” with the Duckworth-Lewis system although it was always receptive to alternatives put forward by member boards. Duckworth and Tony Lewis are contracted by the ICC to do updates every few years – the last one was in 2006 – to reflect the changing nature of the game.

    Although it has it critics, not least because of its complexity which often leaves crowds, and even commentators and players, bemused, few dispute that it a much better system than any that came before it.

    There are alternatives, and the Indian Cricket League used a local system known as VJD. This was dismissed by Duckworth, who accused the inventor of trying to “give people what they feel is a fair answer” and of “fiddling his figures to do it”.

  328. #328 by khansahab on June 17, 2009 - 10:38 PM

    Lucrative posts on offer to ‘favourites’ in PCB

    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is running on ad hocism, under the guise of democracy, as various important and previously vacant posts within the board are being filled one after the other by its Chairman Ijaz Butt’s favoured people.

    While important positions such as those of chief selector, media director, marketing director and chief financial officer (CFO) have already been given away on the basis of additional charges to select individuals, there are still some seats (excluding those of Javed Miandad and Intikhab Alam) waiting to be filled within the Governing Board.

    Director Human Resources, Wasim Bari has been given the additional charge of the chief selector after Abdul Qadir tendered his resignation from the post.

    Similarly, the important post of CFO is still lying vacant after Arif Kitcheloo’s resignation some five months back. The posts of media director and marketing director are also lying vacant since Ahsan Hameed Malik left some four months ago.

    Interestingly, the PCB Chairman Ijaz Butt has handed the charge of many such vacant posts, officially or unofficially, to Mohammad Naeem, his close relative.

    Naeem, was appointed as financial adviser instead of openly being given the post of chief financial officer (COO) after Arif Kitcheloo’s resignation. Although Naeem’s tenure as financial adviser ended on March 31, 2009, he is still at the helm of affairs there.

    Similarly, nepotism touched new heights when Ijaz Butt also handed over the unofficial charges of the marketing and media department to Naeem.

    The marketing department had been given to Aamir Sohail (again on ad hocism as Aamir is also NCA’s director) after Ahsan Hameed had resigned from there. But Naeem has been involved with marketing affairs and he even went to Dubai and Abu Dhabi to negotiate with the sponsors for the series against Australia, played there in April and May.

    So as both Aamir and Naeem were involved in marketing matters, it remains unclear as to who earned sponsorship for the series. Despite his lack of experience in the field, Naeem was also appointed chief organiser of the series.

    According to a report, Naeem is also dealing with the affairs of the media as this department of the PCB gets its instructions from him after Ijaz terminated the services of Asif Sohail for unknown reasons.

    Naeem’s involvement in financial affairs made him the chief organiser of the Abu Dhabi series. The PCB should have informed the public about the profit or losses incurred during the series, but Ijaz Butt’s close relative remained mum as not even a single word came out from there despite several questions being raised by numerous journalists regarding the matter.

    Many people in the cricket circles are expressing their concern about all this as according to an unconfirmed report, the media rights for the Australian series were given to a FM radio station free of cost, whereas they could generate up to almost US$35,000.

    Sources said that the FM station management itself earned more than US$100,000 through advertisements, while giving nothing to the PCB.

    It is learnt that the PCB in exchange for giving free rights to the FM station was satisfied with its advertisement for the series, which is strange as maximum publicity for the series was only in the interest of the station’s management.

    A member of the Governing Board in their last meeting, held on June 5, had lashed out on the extra role awarded to Naeem, saying that he was in fact acting as ‘PCB’s vice-chairman’.

    Though Ijaz at the time had said that he would remove Naeem from the PCB if the Governing Board members were against him, nothing of the sort ever happened.

    Moreover, a good number of Governing Board members, including Justice Ijaz Yousuf, Lt. Gen Munir Hafeez, Aslam Sanjarani, Ali Raza, Moeen Afzal and Farooq Rehmatullah, resigned after Ijaz Butt took over the charge of the PCB in October 2008 when Dr Nasim Ashraf had stepped down.

    All of these positions are still vacant with the exception of Wazir Ali Khoja, who joined as a member later. To make things worse and further confusing, the Governing Board decided to remove Javed Miandad and Intikhab Alam as its members, as the total strength of the Board was reduced to eight from 15, which includes the PCB chairman.

    The members had decided in principle that no paid employee of the PCB could be appointed as a Governing Board member.

    The final decision about Miandad and Intikhab’s membership is still pending with the PCB’s Patron President Asif Ali Zardari.

  329. #329 by Varun Suri on June 17, 2009 - 10:44 PM

    Javed,

    The surname Sharmaji is a very widely available surname it could be said that it is the equivalent of a ‘Khan’ in Muslims and a ‘Singh’ in Sikhs. Out of the 25+ states in India i am sure you will find Sharmaji’s in atleast 20 states! One cannot accurately predict the lineage by just this information as is true for all the Khans and Singhs!!

    Regarding IPL i think it resulted in a complete mixture of effects on different players…

    1. Players like Dilshan, Bravo and Kallis surely benefitted from the extra practise with Dilshan patenting the new shot he so succesfully has been playing these days over the keeper’s head.

    2. Players like Ishant Sharma, Gambhir, Dhoni and most of the current Indian Team who did not performed well during the IPL and carried the same bad form in this Cup.

    3.Players like Rohit Sharma and Suresh Raina who performed well during the IPL got overconfident and thought that they could similarly hit their way out over here!

    4. Since Sohail Tanvir did much better during the IPL last year and this year until now he has not sorted out his bowling so who knows maybe the extra match practise playing with Shane Warne in IPL could have benefitted him just in time for this tournament.

    5. IPL also helped a lot of foreign players and coaches in discovering the potential weaknesses in the Indian Team as essentially this team is the same which won the cup 2 years back and that time there was no trouble with the short ball. I think more than the fatigue and too much cricket it is this reason which repeatedly hurt the Indian team in the 3 big matches of the Super 8’s.

  330. #330 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 10:48 PM

    khansahab

    In Urdu there is an expression: “Andhaa bantain raywree wo bhee apnay apnaon ko.” Blind distributing sweets to the blind only.

    Butt Sweets is a Mithai ki dukaan in Abu Dhabi where sweets are made by BUTTS 😀

  331. #331 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 10:56 PM

    Varun I know at least a dozen Sharma ji and they are all from Dilli.
    Similarly every single KAR is from Mumbai.

    Among the real Pushto speaking Pathans you may not find the name KHAN, it is not important for them to be known as Khans to be identified as Pathans. They don’t give a tosh to the name Khan. They believe they are Pathans and that’s it.

    If you are talking about names, every Katia, Natasha, Elena, Ludda (Ludmila) is Russian.

    But, you won’t find BUTTs anywhere else but in Pakistani Punjab. The Indian side Punjabis have modified it to Bhatt, that’s the difference when you are more educated. 😀

  332. #332 by Varun Suri on June 17, 2009 - 11:06 PM

    You are right as far as BUTT is concerned but we do have our share of MALIK’s. That surname is still the same…

    My Head of the Department in Bangalore when I was doing my Engineering there was a certain Sharmaji and in the beginning I was curious to know how a North Indian could become the HOD where everyone else was South Indian but later I came to know that he is a Sharma belonging to a village near Bangalore!!

    As regards Bhatt there is another twist with this name. Bhatt with an extra ‘t’ are Kashmiris and i have met some Bhat’s with a single ‘t’ who are from (U won’t believe it) Tamil Nadu!!!

  333. #333 by Varun Suri on June 17, 2009 - 11:08 PM

    There is another Bhatt whom we love to hate and that is Mahesh Bhatt but he is not a Kashmiri as he comes from Gujarat, so regarding names there is a lot of confusion in our country!!!

  334. #334 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 17, 2009 - 11:14 PM

    Shoaib

    Do you work for Sun Tabloid or what ? 🙂

  335. #335 by Pawan on June 17, 2009 - 11:22 PM

    Varun,

    I gave Srikanths example just to point out that a selector be it from any region will always have soft corner to the region he belongs. Regarding M. Vijay why not being in the team – you yourself answered that — Gambhir Sehwag combination is so potent that we don’t really need M. Vijay. Same goes with Subramanian Badrinath. he was given appropriate number of chances, in which he didn’t show as much promise as Rohit or Raina. Even in this years IPL, he was overshadowed by Raina and Dhoni. So how can he be in the national team? Balagi was injured and there was no special showing from him in the IPL as well, so Nehra was preferred for the team for West Indies tour. Look, Cheetah cannot be blatant over here. But don’t you agree that he introduced and gave chances to the likes of M. Vijay, Badrinath? He could have easily chosen Cheteswar Pujara, who is in termendous form (he is from north). Am not saying that Cheetah has been cruelly discriminative, but its very obvious to support players whom he feels gives best chance for India to win. Its not about jingosim, its about the country.

    I feel that Mumbai players have shined in the past because of the huge development of cricket facilities over there. Look, it is the system that plays an important role. The Indian team selection is mostly based on merit. If Mumbai players have played well in the past (may be due to the competetive cricket in Mumbai) then it is not their fault. They only played for the country. Mumbai has won Ranji trophy way more than any team — even Maharashtra.

    I am not saying that there dearth of talent in other parts of the country, not at all, as we are seeing now, new players are coming in from the rural areas. All I am saying is talent is one aspect, and a system to groom that talent, or a way to channelize that potential is another. One needs resources to really show up a tangible result. Now that the country is becoming more aware and rural areas are developing, the cricket facilities have tremendously increased in those areas and we are bound to see more Dhonis.

  336. #336 by Varun Suri on June 18, 2009 - 12:54 AM

    Pawan,

    I agree with you regarding the Cricket Infrastructure in Mumbai which makes it such a powerhouse in the Domestic Cricket as far as Ranji records and even representation of Players in the National Team is concerned but the problem arises when over the Years the same people get involved in the Politics and Administration later on in their lives once they retire for example you have the Gavaskar-Kapil rivalry still going on which led to one of them creating a rebel league and the other one jumping onto the Official one. Similarly we have the Sidhu V/S Azharruddin problem, Now that Azhar has won on a Congress Ticket from Moradabad in Uttar Pradesh( Is he not from Hyderabad?) and Navjot Singh Sidhu won for the 3rd time from Amritsar on a BJP Ticket so when such people mix Politics with Personal rivalry then many others suffer because of their enmity. Another example which comes to mind is a recent one when Narendra Hirwani became the selector he tried his best to drop/not pick Ganguly after he had a made a comeback just before he retired; This was because long ago Ganguly chose a Chuha Sardar to replace him and that Sardar is Bhajji and he had this personal grudge with him since then.

    The less we talk about Vengsarkar and before him Kiran “aai-go” More the better it is just these two people have shown enough examples of Regionalism than any other Selector in the Entire History of Indian Cricket.

    I will disagree with your arguments which you have provided for/against Srikanth due to the following reasons:-

    1. I think you are seriously undermining the achievements of Badrinath and Vijay. First of all Badrinath comes more under the category of Dravids, Kallis and Younus Khans they can be destructive but need a little time to get into the rhythm. IPL- The Mujra Part-2 was never a basis for selection of the Team unless until a Player performs exceptionally well of the order of Hayden who scored heavily or Gilchrist who captained, batted and won the cup in a fantastic turnaround. Anyways Pragyan Ojha and Ravindra Jadega were selected on the basis of IPL as was Yousuf Pathan, Amit Mishra and Chawla were included in the team due to their good run in the first IPL but as far as Badrinath is concerned in almost all of their matches Hayden or Raina did the job and there simply wasn’t enough opportunities to prove his worth. Before IPL he spent almost 1 Year on the Bench without getting any useful opportunities and whenver there was a chance he did show some good technique as was in case of the ODI win in Srilanka earlier last Year.I would still prefer him in the Test Squad against Yuvraj Singh. After we have all seen what happened with Raina and Rohit we might need for some batsmen who are technically sound and proper. There are enough bunch of kids who want to play 20-20 and should not be the deciding factor for Team Selection in One Dayers and to a further extent Test Matches.

    2. M. Vijay has a first class average of almost 50 and in the only Test Match he played he scored 74 with highest 41 and ran out Hayden. I know he is not as good as Sehwag or Gambhir that’s why he only played one Test and maybe he won’t get another chance as long as Gambhir-Sehwag works but he is an opener so when Gambhir got banned he was the only replacement available he is certainly better than Parthiv Patel, Wasim Jaffer and Aakash Chopra who were the other openers.

    3. You bring in the case of Cheteshwar Pujara but age is on his side as he is only 21 and infact even after he outshone Rohit Sharma in the same Under-19 World Cup in 2006 where Sharmaji came into limelight; he was not considered for selection since Vengsarkar was the selector at that time he would have obviously preferred a Mumbai Player over a Saurashtra Player so that’s how Sharmaji made his entry into the National Team and maybe it is the right time to give Pujara a chance…

    Point accepted on Balaji! Let’s see if the Smiling Assasin can return soon to prove your point!!

  337. #337 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 1:13 AM

    Javed Sahab

    Kia yaad kerwa dia hey Butt kaa naam ley ker….haii haii haii…. Butt kay Samosey aur Nirala kee mithai…..ohye ohye ohye, oye oye oye yaar, bhook leg gai!! moo mey paani aa gia!!

  338. #338 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 4:32 AM

    Younus: We want to win it for Woolmer

    What he really means: Therefore, we want SA to assist us with this win, as Woolmer was also their coach and much respected in SA too 😆

  339. #339 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 6:39 AM

    Munir read my comments on Woolmer Cult…… scroll up and check it out.

  340. #340 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 6:42 AM

    Shoaib shukar hai tumhay Butt kay Gurday Kapooray yaad nahee aye!
    Nirala opened its first outlet in Karama Dubai about 9 years ago until then 56Bhoj was ruling. Besides, Nirala is at least 60% cheaper in all mithai that 56Bhoj makes.

  341. #341 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 6:52 AM

    India going to West Indies without Sachin Tendulkar, Zaheer Khan, Virender Sehwag, Suresh Raina, Munaf Patel and Irfan Pathan. Nayar is the only player who would create some impact in ODI’s and T20 for India among the new additions, otherwise to me the team looks very fragile. Because, one shouldn’t underestimate the dark horses who might runaway with the T20 WC and that will boost their morale very high and their test duo Chanderpaul and Sarwan will be difficult to handle for the likes of RP Singh and Nehra especially on their home ground. Lamboo will be under tremendous pressure because there is no other effective fast bowler in the team to bowl with him in tandem. And, Chris Gayle avec Bravo would go berserk as both are on high note. So, good luck India.

  342. #342 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 8:01 AM

    Javed A Khan

    wow Nirala in Dubai? do you know if they have a branch in UK? Cheaper in Dubai? in Lahore Pakistan Nirala is the most expensive Mithai because of their juicy Rusgulley and they were the best one in the market……Oh i wish i could have those soft soft juicy Rasgulley again. lol

  343. #343 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 9:13 AM

    Lawson ready for second innings

    Geoff Lawson, who was sacked as coach of Pakistan team in acrimonious circumstances last year, is ready for another shot.
    Former Australian pacer Lawson, who is in London doing commentary on the Twenty20 World Cup, said that he really enjoyed his stay in Pakistan and had a wonderful time in Lahore.

    “Pakistan is full of cricketing talent”

    “The people really made me and the fitness trainer David Dwyer very welcome and were very hospitable towards us,” he told the http://www.Pakpassion.Net website.
    Lawson was unceremoniously removed as coach after Ejaz Butt took over as Chairman of the cricket board last October and was replaced by former Pakistan captain Intikhab Alam.

    Lawson said despite the way he had to leave as Pakistan coach, he would still love to do the job as the boys were a young and very good group of guys to work with.
    “It was great working with such a young and enthusiastic bunch. Pakistan is full of cricketing talent, but the cricketing system in the country isn’t always producing the best talent,” he said.

    “Akhtar was totally unprofessional”

    Lawson, however, said there were a couple of selectors who were not up to the job and didn’t have any idea what was going on.
    Lawson also had some harsh words to say about controversial fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar who was dropped from the World Cup squad on medical grounds.
    “Akhtar was totally unprofessional as a cricketer, he trained when he felt like it, didn’t contribute to the team. I couldn’t think of a more unprofessional player, which is a pity as he is such a talented player,” Lawson said.
    “Akhtar is using five percent of his natural talent and was being disruptive to the other members of the team,” Lawson said.
    He added that in the Australian cricket system a player like Akhtar would not get into even a club team, no matter how good he was.

    Lawson also complained that nobody from the PCB explained to him why he was sacked which was very unprofessional.

    “The government changed and the Board changed and the new Chairman made some ridiculous statements,” he said.

  344. #344 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 9:19 AM

    Admirable comments from Lawson in the light of no foreign cricket team or cricketer wants to visit Pakistan in the current climate.

    I would worry less about ever smiling face of Younus an admirable guy nevertheless with a trademark smile but rather PCB. After what khansahab posted and now what Lawson says how he was treated, this PCB is looking like a bunch of clowns and buffoons.

  345. #345 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 9:20 AM

    Shoaib

    The only Nirala shop in the UK is in Ilford Lane, East London.

  346. #346 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 11:02 AM

    Awas

    Thanks for that but is it original Nirala because i have seen one in Harrow (North West London) as well and they were just using the name of original Nirala. Thanks again.

  347. #347 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 11:15 AM

    Shoaib & Javed …

    After Dubai, we now also have a Nirala (the original, as well as a duplicate one) in Sharjah, UAE.

    Nirala, is relatively cheaper then 56-Bhoj, but they are no way cheaper then any other Pakistani Mithai Ki Dukkan. In fact, Nirala is quite expensive say like US$: 15 – 20 per KG of Mithai, which is very high by UAE pricings, where normal Pak-Ghazi Mithai is around US$: 5/ 7 per KG.

  348. #348 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 11:16 AM

    Good we are all talking about these Mithais, we shall need them tonight after our win 😉

  349. #349 by Theossa on June 18, 2009 - 11:48 AM

    LOL at Pakistani bloggers on Cricinfo and many here on LS. They were ridiculing Younus Khan when he declared T20 as fun game and compared it to WWF/WWE. Now when Pakistan reached the semi final they are considering Younus a genius who calmed the team nerves by telling the players to enjoy themselves playing the fun T20s.

    I think what we have is a emotional and almost fanatic fan base in subcontinent perhaps a retarded one too 😀 they are worshippers of the rising sun and as we say here in U.S. the bandwagon fans.

    Leading this politically polluted cricket team must be a tough ride and the idiot media and knee jerk reaction and agenda based bloggers make it even tougher. My salute to Younus Khan!

  350. #350 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 12:17 PM

    Jawab-e-Shikwa … From Munir to Younis Khan 😉
    (Ref: Comment No. 345 of Theo)

    Cuptaan Hai Tu, Yaa Keh Hai Chammaar ?
    Bowling Malak Say, Jo Hai Bilkul Beykaar ?

    Andha Ho Gaya Hai Teray Piyaar Mein Theo,
    Karta Hai Din Raat Woh ‘Harnion’ Ka Shikaar.

    Der Kar Khailtay Ho Tum Saaray Hee Kirkat
    Afridi Hamara Sher Hai, Karta Hai Aaa/ Paar.

    Agar Aaj Ka Match Tu Nain Harwaya Humko
    Maar Maar Kay Mein, Kar Doonga Tumko Khuwaar.

    Dil Sey Khailo Kirkat, Aur Khul Kay Maro Chakkay
    Baanto Sub Mein Piyaar, Aur Millaao Dillon Kay Taar

  351. #351 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 12:26 PM

    Theossa

    The same media will call it as Younus’ master stroke if he lifts the cup.

    Kamran Abbasi has alredy said this:

    When Younis Khan described Twenty20 cricket as fun he invited ridicule although it was really a clumsy cover for his intense annoyance with his fellows.

  352. #352 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 12:32 PM

    Shoaib

    The one in Ilford Lane is the ‘Real McCoy’, better than Ambala.

  353. #353 by Theossa on June 18, 2009 - 12:43 PM

    Munir

    LOL at your apt poetic reply. Younus is shrewder than people think. He is practically destroying Malik’s career by giving him a couple of overs to get hammered and then playing him low in the order so he won’t be able to do anything. It was evident by that overwhelmed look on Malik’s face when he was batting in the last match. Also, not sending Fawad up in the order is his clever strategy so there will be public sympathy towards him and anger at Malik and company for underperforming and still getting chances. The way I see it he’s paving the way for Malik’s exit and Fawad’s inclusion for the upcoming Sri Lanka tour. 🙂

    Awas

    I already read that Abbasi’s blog and posted the same comment I posted here on LS to rub on bandwagon Pakistani fans. I know he’ll read it but probably won’t post it. This guy was singing a different tune a while ago.

  354. #354 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 1:02 PM

    Theossa

    When you wrote the above comment you must have been thinking of khansahab but you have addressed it to Munir. I guess your long sabbatical has affected you a little. 🙂

  355. #355 by Theossa on June 18, 2009 - 1:09 PM

    Awas

    Yeah, where is my Hazelnut Coffee? It was an indirect message using Munir as a worm hole to get to next galaxy.

    Younus believes in like Zuhaib Hasan sang:

    Tere zindagi mien yonh to kaee ghum aayenge
    Jub muskuraiga to ghum bhaag jayenge

  356. #356 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 2:06 PM

    Awas

    The one in Ilford Lane is the ‘Real McCoy’, better than Ambala

    Is it Nirala or Real McCoy, i think that’s crisps

  357. #357 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 2:12 PM

    Shoaib kya subha subha mithai kay chakkar may pur gaye ho? It is 10:00 am here meri tou abhee tak aankh nahee khulee. Not until I eat my paratha omelet breakfast and chai.

  358. #358 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 2:14 PM

    Theo

    Dil ko behlanay yae khayal accha hai kay Younus ki vajah say jeet rehay hain. The reality is bowlers ki vajah say and that too Umar Gul, Afridi and Ajmal. Bhaand tou har haal may muskuraye ga chahay haaray ya jeetay.

  359. #359 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 2:15 PM

    Shoaib

    Sorry mate…I didn’t know you have no funny bone in you…or perhaps you don’t get the Cockney jokes. Do I have to explain that too…never mind!

  360. #360 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 2:18 PM

    LOL Awas

    when you talk about funny bone some people think its the tail bone that you are talking about. 😉

  361. #361 by Theossa on June 18, 2009 - 2:19 PM

    Javed

    Waah janaab, jub team haarti hai to saara ilzaam Younus per aor jub team jeetti hai to haar Gul aor Afridi ko? LOL. Now you have realized that it’s a team sport and if other players are not performing there is not much Younus can do except for playing his part and smiling to rub on you 🙂

  362. #362 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    Theo the other players who are not performing are M&M and they need to perform today or else they should be out.

  363. #363 by Theossa on June 18, 2009 - 2:29 PM

    Javed, I am agree, both should be drpped for Sri Lanka tour. Although I’m hopeful that Misbah will perform. I have a feeling that it will be Afridi and Akmal to sneak a performance in.

  364. #364 by Pawan on June 18, 2009 - 2:33 PM

    Varun

    Kiran “aai ga” More was under the trance of Guru greg Chappal. Do you remember how that chappal was slashing and sorting out players as if he is the khuda. He had a personal grudge against Ganguly and that created such a storm. But when Vengsarkar took over the reins, he brought back Ganguly. So you cannot really pin-point over particular set of selectors being partial towards Mumbai. If you don’t agree with my explanation about Cheetah, fine. i don’t wanna press that point. My sole motive to bring in that argument and others is to show that may be there is bias been done towards Mumbai cricketers to some extent, but then it has also happened with other regions. Mano ya na mano, biasing hota hai to some extent, but generally the system is much fair than what I hear from Khansahab and Javed about the Pakistani selections.

    You tell me where in India there is no bias based on caste, relegion, region? As someone rightly said about this Australian fiasco that is going on at the moment, that Indians are perhaps the most racist and biased people.

    I can give you n number of examples where the north India dominates. Take for example the politics. It is said that the raod to Delhi runs via UP. So if you cannot win UP you cannot be PM. The people in Bihar and UP act as if they are running the country. There is no proper representation for a netural state say like Gujrat, which has been the most productive among states. Don’t you think this is a bias towards other states?

    I don’t wanna get into debate over politics, but I hope you will understand what I am saying. All I wanna tell is that there is bias in every field to some extent.

    I’ve already explained why I think Mumbai players have shone and were preferred. And you have agreed to that.

    The names that Javed quoted who are mumbaikars…

    “Umrigar, Manjrekar, Nadkarni, Faroukh Engineer, Vijay Merchant, Vijay Hazare, Ramakant Desai, Ajid Wadekar, Vengsarkar, Gavaskar, Tendulkar……..”

    have been great servants of Indian cricket throughout their career. A book can be written about the achievements of these fellows. This is no way to pay tribute to their services by saying that they achieved the stardom status only because there was lobbying done during selection. Most of the players listed above, barring Tendulkar played in an era when there were no helmets and they had to face West Indian rakshases like Garner, Marshall, Holding and company. They did not even get enough money. They only played for the country, with they heads at stake literally.

    I would like them to be treated with dignity and respect.

  365. #365 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    I was thinking on the same lines that may be today Pakistan will surprise SA by sending Afridi and Akmal to open the innings and Shahzaib at number 3. If they do, and if it works SA is dead. Because, both are unstoppable when the going is good. But, this is fishful thinking wo bhee Tuna Can wali. 🙂

    And, yes I am agree that Misbah and Malik should be dropped from the Sri Lanka tour like India already announced some major changes and said, it is due to injuries….. that would serve them right.

    I know Misbah is lazy and he has a very laid back attitude but, recently owing to Malik’s politics that attitude has become even more lazier and very unceremonious which is very rakish, he needs to be a little more dashing and upright. Or else he can pack his bags with five dozen liquour jugs and a carton of mangoes and sit on the Naher Walay Pull and relax there in Mianwali.

  366. #366 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 2:47 PM

    LOL Pawan you are not only discriminating but you are being a racist by calling Garner, Marshal, Holding & Co. as Rakshases that is too bad 🙂 U forgot to mention Andy Roberts, who knocked off Ian Botham’s 4 front teeth. And, Wesley Hall for the longest run up, the danger man Gilchrist (who cut the ear lobe of Inderjitsingh ji with his bouncer) and broke Nari Contractor’s nose.

  367. #367 by Aamir Iqbal aka Abdul aka Mushtaq Ahmed on June 18, 2009 - 3:05 PM

    Although we should congratulate and appreciate the on field heroics demonstrated by the side in this competition, they will have to play “out of their skins” to beat RSA and graduate to the final almost as a matter of fact. RSA have been the in-form team through out, with an invincible undefeated record at stake. Their fielding is immense and they arguably have the most intelligent captain in Graham Smith.

    Pak have produced mixed performances. Sometimes we have witnessed sheer brilliance whereas other times we have been thoroughly undone. The bowling attack will hold the ultimate key in this climaxing encounter as we can take nothing away from the performances of Gul and Ajmal, the tournaments leading wicket takers.

    To conclude on a high it feels as if we have the bounty of Waqar Younis’s art and Saqi’s mystery back in operation in resemblance to the threat posed by Gul and Ajmal and this outstanding bowling combination as a whole . Certainly Pakistan holds the advantage in this aspect.

    I wonder if we can make it to another final but go one step further this time round, something Pakistan hasn’t done since the golden era of 1992!

  368. #368 by Aamir Iqbal aka Abdul aka Mushtaq Ahmed on June 18, 2009 - 3:21 PM

    The tournament as a whole has been an unpredictable one thus far with several tight nail biting climax encounters and surprises. But now the action is steaming up as the competition approaches the knock-out stages in the most thrilling heat absorbing format one can experience.

    Strap your seat belts fastened for meaningful action packed drama from Britain’s 3 most picturesque venues ………………………….

    T20 WE LOVE IT!

    Although many argue that this can be a dicey lottery structure i.e. the chasing side requiring a boundary of the final delivery. This usually is a case by sheer fortune as suggested by events this month because no team really deserves to lose in the circumstance as no one has really won convincingly like a test match in which we can clearly differentiate why a side emerged victorious due to a longer course of play and technical requirements as opposed to just holding your nerve in the crucial moment.

  369. #369 by Aamir Iqbal aka Abdul aka Mushtaq Ahmed on June 18, 2009 - 3:26 PM

    A must read future prospect :

    Usman_Qadir_Interview

    ps lets get some constructive feedback !

  370. #370 by Theossa on June 18, 2009 - 3:48 PM

    Abdul

    Very good interview and I hope he lives up to his potential. Btw Spin King, you are the most handsome guy on this blog! That should make Khansahab and Javed very jealous. Girls will sure take notice and will admire you.

    P.S. I suppose other cricket site links are not allowed on this site so you should just copy and paste the interview. I know Javed and Khansahab will have objections.

  371. #371 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 4:16 PM

    Pakistan won the toss elected to bat first and that is one good thing that has happened in favour of Pakistan, hope they capitalize and make a lot of runs to put the chokers in the right perspective i.e., where they belong.

    Same team for Pakistan
    Same team for SA except that Kallis is back and Mornie Morkel is out.

    15 more minutes and there will be lotsa lotsa action.

  372. #372 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 4:25 PM

    Munir so you are watching Younus Khan touching Simon Doul (or Gauld?) after the toss….. so whats wrong in touching? 😀

    I see a lot of clouds in the sky so what has Awas to say? I mean the weather report. It is also very windy so playing in the windy conditions is not a good idea, unless they play very powerful shots that fly past the fielders otherwise nicking, edging into the slips means its a disaster recipe.

  373. #373 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 4:37 PM

    I told you so wali baat, Shahzaib played that loopy shot and got out for a duck.

  374. #374 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 5:22 PM

    What a knock by Afridi.

    I salute Shahid Khan Afridi.

  375. #375 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 5:42 PM

    Didnt I say in comment 326:

    “I just get the feeling that Afridi is coming to some kind of batting form. If he does fire, he might just change the course of the match”.

  376. #376 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 5:59 PM

    Had it not been for Malak, Pakistan would have made 175. He started slow once again, for most part played with a strike rate of 70, and then in the end couldn’t accelerate. If Younis, Fawad or Misbah had been batting in his place Pakistan would have made that 175.

    I don’t know which idiot told Younis to depend on Malik like this.

  377. #377 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 6:04 PM

    whenever Younus Khan and Shoaib Malik come on the crease its always they slow down the run rate, where you can hit for 4 they only do singles, WTF, when 14 overs had gone what was the point to bring younus himself out, idiot, why did he not give chance to Fawad Alam for some big hits, least he could try, if not then he could come, OMG they could have done much better here. shit!

  378. #378 by Theossa on June 18, 2009 - 6:07 PM

    Malik says, fu*k T20 semi final, I should just put a show to cement my place for Sri Lanka tour. He looked out of sorts and probably has cost Pakistan the match. I suspect a shaky batting by Razzaq must have dented his confidence and I hope it does not reflect in his bowling. First 5 overs will be the key to Pakistan’s chances as Aamir is young and lot to learn while Razzaq is satisfactory. If they can get a couple of wickets early and restrict SA to around 40 runs then the game is on.

    Afridi was brilliant along with a short and sweet innings by Akmal. As I said before the game, it will be Akmal and Afridi’s show. Looks like it is Afridi’s day and hope he makes a difference with his bowling as well. Hats off to his gem of an inngs!

  379. #379 by M. Y. Kasim on June 18, 2009 - 6:34 PM

    That MF has done it again.

    Shoaib Malik has made sure his selection not only in Sri Lanka squad but for next unforeseeable future.

    Pakistan could easily have reached 175-180 after Shahid Afridi and Kamran Akmal’s brilliant beginning, but for that stupid Captain of ours. For once, he should have sent Fawad Alam after Akmal’s dismissal. What would have gone wrong? If he can gamble on a green rookie like Shahzaib Hasan as an opener, why not take a chance(?) on a proven performer to continue the onslaught?

    If we win, which I doubt, it will be by the prayers of millions of Pakistanis and not these selfish, greedy and inepitude but brilliant bunch of crooks.

  380. #380 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 6:39 PM

    Aamir has proven to be a good find for Pakistan. He was being backed by Wasim Akram; no wonder he would be seen in the Pakistan team!

  381. #381 by M. Y. Kasim on June 18, 2009 - 7:10 PM

    What a brilliant bowling spell by Boom Boom Afridi.

    Even Kallis stopped taking any liberty against him!

    It has given some chance to Pakistan, you never knows!!

  382. #382 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 7:21 PM

    Why did Younis ask Fawad to bowl in a pressure situation? His bowling is awful- he needs to bat, not bowl!

  383. #383 by M. Y. Kasim on June 18, 2009 - 7:24 PM

    WTF… That stupid has done it again, when the runs were to be kept down, he went to buy some wickets.

    Is this the time to introduce Fawad Alam into the attack? All the hard work of other players has been washed away.

  384. #384 by Aamir Iqbal on June 18, 2009 - 7:56 PM

    Congratulations to all : DIL DIL PAKISTAN !

  385. #385 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 8:00 PM

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  386. #386 by Aamir Iqbal on June 18, 2009 - 8:04 PM

    Javed, are u ever happy ?

  387. #387 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 8:05 PM

    Chokers, yes, but they came close to the target. Notwithstanding the chokers tag Shoaib Malik tried his best to make Pakistan lose this match, but he forgot that he was batting with Afridi who always gives his 100%.

    Malik is lucky Afridi was in form otherwise Malik would have lost the match for Pakistan.

    I said a few days ago that if Pakistan win, it will be due to individual brilliances of Afridi, Gul, Ajmal and Younis. Today it was all about Afridi.

  388. #388 by Pawan on June 18, 2009 - 8:10 PM

    Hello Javed, Khansahab, Awas, Theossa, Munir, Omer, M.Y.Kasim, Adbul, Shoaib and all Pakistani fans at LS

    Conratulations for this huge huge win.
    Its true, I cannot comprehend how happy you guys must be!

    All I can say is this:

    Afridi — The proof of him being a great team-man is right here —

    Read this:

    “I am very very happy to see my team in the final”

    This is the first sentence Afridi spoke today, when he was awarded the POM award.

    This in itself speaks volumes about the passion he has for the game and the pride he has for his country.

    As long as Pakistan keeps producing players like Afridi, they can be rest assured that cricket will never die over there, no matter what.

    Smith rightly said… it was Afridi v.s. SA today!

    What a player!
    What a match!
    What a team!

    Cheers
    Pawan

  389. #389 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 8:10 PM

    I don’t understand Younus Khan’s stupid captaincy. Pakistan won because of Shahid Afridi, Umar Gul, Kamran Akmal and Saeed Ajmal. Otherwise, Younus Khan did his best in getting Pakistan out of the tournament.

    Throughout this tournament he never gave a chance to Fawad Alam to bowl (or even bat) at this very important match, a semi-final and at this crucial juncture when Ajmal was bowling well, even Malik bowled well, he introduced Fawad Alam especially when Kallis had just completed his 50 and wanted to take on the new young bowler and he did very well.

    Those 15 runs from Fawad Alam’s over would have cost the match. And, look at his stupid calculations his best bowler Umar Gul could bowl only 3 overs. He did this so many times, he is such an idiot this Younus Khan is. With Malik and Razzaq he slowed down the run rate. Everyone was expecting at least a 170 when Afridi was batting but, the moment he was out, things changed.

    Afridi batted the longest innings of his life in T20, I don’t think he stayed at the crease longer than this innings?????

  390. #390 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 8:12 PM

    Abdul what makes you think I am unhappy? Do you see your own Butt on my comments or what? Do you know who I am calling chokers?

  391. #391 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 8:16 PM

    Pawan that is because Afridi is a team man and a match winner unlike others, he always gives his 100% and still there is a whole mafia who wants to keep him out at the first opportunity they get. The did against him many many times, still he forgives them and keep smiling.

  392. #392 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 8:21 PM

    Pawan …

    Thanks for your well wishes Pawan, you are a darlig !!

    Javed Khan …

    The did against him (Afridi) many many times, still he (Afridi) forgives them and keep smiling.

    This is absolutely why The Force is with him and GOD rewards him with the BEST.

    Hum Ko Mitta Sakay, Yeh Zamanay Mein Dum Nahin

    Hum Sey Hai Zamana, Zamanay Sey Hum Nahin

  393. #393 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 8:24 PM

    Munir sahab

    Hum Ko Mitta Sakay, Yeh Zamanay Mein Dum Nahin

    Hum Sey Hai Zamana, Zamanay Sey Hum Nahin

    Afridi, Gul, Ajmal aur Younas kissi sey kum nahin!

  394. #394 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 8:27 PM

    Javed Khan …

    I am phully agreed with your points of Younis Khan firsly playing slow, then bringing in Fawad Alam, and miscalculating Umer Gul’s overs.

    I guess Malik started slow, but he was overall ok with his runs, but Younis and Razzaq were too slow, I mean too too slow.

    Younis is lucky that Pakistan won this important match, because if we ever lost this game, we and the entire Pakistan would have been calling for his head now.

  395. #395 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 8:31 PM

    Munir sahab

    Younis played at a strike rate of 133. I won’t say it was slow. The reason why I have reservations with Razzaq is because he is not consistent- today he struggled to hit. But because he came in a crunch situation, I will not blame him.

    Malik in my opinion was very slow. The first 25 balls he played he had 17 runs or something. In T20 you have to look at the situation rather than how good a strike rate of 87 looks good on paper (and I don’t even consider that a good strike rate). When he had Younis, Misbah, Razzaq and Fawad coming after him what was the point of playing like that?

  396. #396 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 8:33 PM

    Khansahab …

    Fawad’s bowling is good too, may be not as good as his batting, but still quite ok. But what was wrong is that Fawad bowled at a vital time and he never bowled before this match in the entire tournament, so I guess in spite of bowling well, the South Africans thought this as as oppurtunity and went after him.

    On the other hand, did you notice Wasim Akram, finally praising Fawad for his fielding and team spirit. Wasim said, “this boy (Fawad), is the team man”.

    And I agree he sure is. Fawad was electric in the field and so was Afridi.

  397. #397 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 8:34 PM

    Afridi, Gul, Ajmal aur Younas kissi sey kum nahin! khansahab

    You please take out Younus from this equation.

    Even today he placed defensive field, there was no slip fielder and twice Kallis played through slips, if you are not attacking from the word go, this is what happens. Pakistan is lucky to have bowlers like Gul, Afridi and Ajmal. Akmal dropped a regulation catch of AB Devilliers but Afridi bowled him the next ball.

    Abdul Razzaq is way too rusty he is playing on his reputation and the first two wickets he got in his first match thats all, otherwise he is a bad fielder, and his batting is just a shadow of his past.

  398. #398 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 8:36 PM

    Munir sahab

    I used to think his bowling is good because he was a better bowler 2-3 years ago. At that time he was like Shoaib Malik at his best- a jack of all trades, bowler, batsman and fielder. He was first used as an all rounder. But then his batting improved, so much so that he became the top 5 scorer in every tournament and left behind guys like Younis and Yousuf. So he kept concentrating on his batting and as a result his bowling has weakened. Now he does not even bowl that much in domestic matches.

    How strange, I only saw Afridi’s batting and a bit of Pakistan’s bowling today. So I missed Wasim praising Alam. But I guess he deserved it after the run out and some good stops and dives.

  399. #399 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 8:40 PM

    Fawad Alam’s throw to run out Albie Morkel was superb and did anyone notice Younus Khan yelling at Mohammad Aamir when he missed the run out of Duminy in the last over? Shahzaib grabbed Aamir and took him away from the firing range. Anyways I am not trying to negate my comments I made earlier that Younus is always laughing and taking it easy and now when he was yelling at Aamir he is wrong.

    If you look at the situation the 17 year old was very nervous to bowl the last over in a semi-final against a team which remained unbeaten in this whole tournament. He missed a run out chance but there were still 2 balls to be bowled and you need to keep the young lad’s nerves cool, at that time by yelling at him you are not doing any favour, he could have got more nervous and bowled a wide or a no-ball, but he kept his cool.

    Younus Khan should not take out his frustration at Aamir instead he should have thought about his own silly calculation mistake that because of him, Gul could not bowl the last over.

  400. #400 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 8:40 PM

    Khansahab …

    When Malik was playing, Afridi was hitting very well on the other end, so there was not need for him to go wild and throw his wicket. The overall run rate for Pakistan was going well.

    But for Younis, just imagine, there was no boundry in the last 5/6 overs of the T20 match. Do you think it is normal ? I beleive it is criminal. I will blame Razzaq and Younis too, becuase they were not even trying. I mean even if Younis or Razzaq were out ‘trying’ to hit big shots, still there was Fawad, Misbah and Umer Gul, who can all hit a few boundries.

  401. #401 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 18, 2009 - 8:42 PM

    And, Munir the total may have surpassed 160 easily but Younus is Younus what else can you say?

  402. #402 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 8:45 PM

    Munir sahab

    It’s a good point but Afridi has not been sent so early in all the matches, but Malik has been sent early in almost all matches. He has played the same way. Even though Afridi was attacking, he (Malik) could have at least taken a few more singles and doubles. In T20 it is not difficult for a decent batsman to get a strike rate of 100. Plus, even Afridi was hitting the ball on its merit.

    T20 cricket is not about doing what Malik did. What do you need to consolidate about if there are 4-5 batsman yet to come? There are only 120 balls to play around with, and he should know Younis, Misbah and Fawad are batsmen who will want to settle down first.

    It might be Younis’s idea for Malik to play like this, but because of this strategy Pakistan has not been able to score over 160. Look at all the scorecards and see how many balls Malik has wasted, regardless of whether Afridi, Younis or Akmal are batting with him.

  403. #403 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 8:49 PM

    Javed Khan …

    I thought giving last over to Razzaq was a better option then Amir (new 17 year old lad), because Razzaq is much more expereinced and mature player.

    I saw Younis yelling on Amir, and I think it was fine for once. Have you noticed Younis yelling at Shahzaib also during the match ?

    Anyway, I think Younis is at least ‘yelling’ well at these young guys (Shahzaib/ Amir), as he is too worried to yell at his seniors 😉

    Kamran Akmal dropped a catch of Afridi, but luckily Afridi bowled Gibbs the very next ball.

    The difficult catch which Gul tried and dropped, I think Gull should have allowed Afridi who is so good in the field.

    Amir also missed an easy run-out chance, and if you have noticed the one before that, when Fawad run-out with a direct-hit, that time Amir was not on the stumps, and if Fawad would have missed, there was no cover-up.

    Younis Khan faltered with his bowlers/ bowling plan.

  404. #404 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 8:58 PM

    Have any one noticed, that we are giving away too many extras in every single game so far ?

    I guess our bowlers were good with the no-balls today, as there was not a single no-ball, but still they gave away 16 runs (which is the thrid highest for SA), while SA gave only 5 extras.

    We have to tighten these loose screws for the final.

  405. #405 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 9:03 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Yes you are right, as long as Afridi was there, I thought we should cross 160, but after him the rate slowed down.

    I think this must be the only T20 game where the team batting first could not hit even a single boundry in the last 5 overs and that too with only 4 wickets down.

    The last boundry of the Pakistani innings was at 14.4 overs and nothing after that 😦

  406. #406 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 9:08 PM

    There were a few close LBW calls when Pakistan was bowling, but the umpires seems least interested 😦

    Winning the match, we should not forget these things and these could have hurt us bad.

  407. #407 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 9:14 PM

    As I had wished obove, it was Afridi’s brilliance that came good and won the match.

    SA were however on course till the last three overs.

    The last two overs that Umer Gul bowled were crucial ones but he was brilliant by giving away only singles on every ball. That performance really tightened the screws on SA and by the time the young inexperienced bowler Amir came to bowl his last over, the run rate had crept up so much that it was out of reach for SA even with the luxury of one 6 given in that over, SA had no chance. Brilliant Afridi. Brilliant Gul. And let’s not forget the captain who has taken the team to the final and managed to get the best out of his troopers.

    Javed

    Younus was having a go at Amir not because he couldn’t run out the batsman but because he was not backing up the throw by standing right behind the stumps as indeed all the commentators were explaining. Amir did that before as well a couple of times. So, Younus did the right thing there to teach the youngster.

    My second wish was that should Pakistan beat SA and reach the final they would win under Younus’ captaincy. So, let’s see.

  408. #408 by Varun Suri on June 18, 2009 - 9:17 PM

    Congratulations to all the readers of LS for a very convincing win by Pakistan!!!

    Afridi has shown what he is capable of and they should seriously consider him for captaincy of the T-20 Team!!

    This is must be a great evening to be in Pakistan. Hopefully it will become better on Sunday!

  409. #409 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 9:19 PM

    Javed Khan & Khansahab …

    Did you see Afridi flying a kiss and a blink to Kallis, after he hit him for a four ??

    It was cool 😉

  410. #410 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 9:23 PM

    Pawan

    I really appreciate your comments, not for the reason that you praised Pakistan cricket team but I am happy to see that we have mature people both in india pakistan, actually i always had a bad experience with my colleagues, i mean just now after Pakistan win i received couple of texts from my colleagues and they were basically cursing pakistan team and saying that hope pakistan will lose in final but after reading your comments my heart has been cleaned again and my hope is still alive…..(not about final win) but hope is still alive that we both indopak nation can live together with happiness and peace……and you are an example for both sides the level of maturity we need among us.

    Once again thanks so much and have a great evening Pawan.

  411. #411 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 9:24 PM

    Kiss of the day

    Afridi is also a player capable of rubbing the opposition up the wrong way. He is a confident character and isn’t afraid of have the odd cheeky moment. After pulling Jacques Kallis for the second of two boundaries in three balls, Afridi blew the bowler a little kiss and a wink.

    Kallis was far from impressed and in his next over cranked up the pace. It may have been a kiss from Afridi, but there was certainly no love lost.

    From: Cricinfo.

  412. #412 by newguy30 on June 18, 2009 - 9:41 PM

    Hey Guys,

    Congratulations from Indian standpoint!

    I missed the whole match as I was busy all day.

    I had no doubt that SA would choke if Pakistan put up 150+

    This has 92′ written all over it. There are similar patterns.

    I’ll post back with more later.

    Enjoy the moment – your team deserves it.

  413. #413 by Mohammed Munir on June 18, 2009 - 9:41 PM

    Pakistan’s Innings:

    – Overs no. 01 to 05 … 43 for 2 (RR 8.60)

    – Overs no. 06 to 10 … 68 for 2 (RR 6.80)

    – Overs no. 11 to 15 … 120 for 3 (RR 8.00)

    – Overs no. 16 to 20 … 149 for 4 (RR 7.45)

    It was as follows …

    – First 5 Overs … 43 runs for 2 wickets.
    – Second 5 Overs … 25 runs for no wicket.
    – Third 5 Overs … 52 runs for 1 wicket.
    – Fourth 5 Overs … 29 runs for 1 wicket.

  414. #414 by Awas on June 18, 2009 - 10:08 PM

    Pawan, Varun, NewGuy30

    Many thanks!

    After Afridi’s batting, the bowling saved Pakistan blushes.

  415. #415 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 11:26 PM

    whenever Younus Khan and Shoaib Malik come on the crease its always they slow down the run rate, where you can hit for 4 they only do singles, WTF, when 13 overs had gone what was the point to bring younus himself out and later on Razzaq? idiot, why did he not give chance to Fawad Alam for some big hits, least he could try, OMG they could have done much better here.
    What a crap, Gul best bowler couldnt complete his overs, and Fawad Alam got the chance first time when other bowlers are doing fine and this wasnt the time to do experiments…….Kasem sey What a big A Younus Khan is, he should have given chance to Fawad Alam in batting, rather bowling………and due to his daft calculation Gul didnt do full 4 overs. OMG what a captain!!

  416. #416 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 11:32 PM

    Shoaib

    Younis Khan’s batting has been fine except today when he was unable to hit. Malik has been a consistent failure however. Younis has actually been more attacking this tournament than Malik and Misbah both.

    Malik has politics securing his position in the team. If Malik was not playing today Pakistan would have brushed Australia aside.

    I have seen a few people thinking Malik actually played an “anchor role”, I wonder what kind of anchor role Malik played when he didn’t capitalise in the Powerplay, neither could he hit boundaries, nor consistently take singles and doubles? Scoring 30 odd from 35 deliveries may be OK for ODI but it’s not OK for T20, especially when you have better batsmen waiting to come and bat.

  417. #417 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 11:44 PM

    Javed Khan

    Absolutely right i am agreed with your all comments, i will not repeat again but yes regarding Younus being Akhrot again, miscalculation of Gul’s spell, yelling at youngster and put him in horrible pressure, experiment of Fawad Alam when other bowlers are doing great job, not using Fawad and Misbah rather he used again Shoaib Chanda and later on himself on the crease. oh yes Awas i would still like to slap this akhrot.

  418. #418 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 11:47 PM

    Shoaib

    You know what regarding Mr Chanda (haha) I am in your agree. Did you read about Younis saying that Malik was down because of Qadir? In his press conference he said Qadir is the reason why Malik looked off colour today!

    Did anyone else observe it?

  419. #419 by Shoaib on June 18, 2009 - 11:49 PM

    yes Khansahab:

    I know and agreed what you said but if you check 444 post you will see the great flaws of Younas. his yelling could end up into a no balls and free hits from youngster, youngster 17 year old should have not been thrown into chilling pressure in first place but yeah ofcourse younas he is a strange captain ive ever seen

  420. #420 by khansahab on June 18, 2009 - 11:50 PM

    Boucher dismisses Team India’s IPL fatigue woes

    Trent Bridge: South Africa’s wicket keeper Mark Boucher has played a pivotal role in his team’s show in the ICC Twenty20 World Cup. He is not only one of the most experienced players in the side but also someone who can come up with useful tips for his captain based on his years in the game.

    After a training session at Trent Bridge, Boucher talked over a number of topics which showed the level of maturity he carries with him.

    He not only dismissed the ongoing debate that the Indian cricket team were suffering from fatigue due to the players’ participation in the Indian Premier League, but also sought to undermine those who compared the league with the World Cup.

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    “The IPL is great but it is not of an international standard. In a World Cup, the standards will be a lot better. In IPL there are probably two or three bowlers you have to be careful of while batting.

    “However, in a World Cup there are five top bowlers of that country bowling. You need to look at things from that perspective,” he said.

    “No-one should ever mention that IPL is of an international standard. Everyone is learning about 20 over cricket at the moment and IPL is a great opportunity to learn that. At the same time it is wonderful that youngsters too get a chance to learn,” he added.

    On the debate over fatigue, Boucher was quick to point out that South African players had also played in the IPL.

    He did, however, hint that the Indian cricket board should have taken care of the players who were likely to play in the World Cup. “Although we were playing in the IPL, our support staff were very closely monitoring whether our players were picking up any niggles.

    “Our physiotherapist and trainer were in constant contact with the physios and trainers of the franchises so that we knew where our players were at every given point. All our players are contracted to Cricket South Africa.

    “We knew we had a huge tournament coming and that it was imperative that we knew what buttons to push to get the best out of our players,” he said.

  421. #421 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 12:31 AM

    Thanks to Varun, Pawan and niceguy for the praises and for the congratulations, most Pakistanis are rejoicing the moment of winning the game, but one needs to be really very careful because this is not the end of the tournament, the biggest challenge lies ahead on Sunday.

    I wish Younus Khan learns from his mistakes, I simply cannot understand how as a captain he can miscalculates the overs and his best bowler is often bowling less overs than the alloted quota. If it was once, you can say he must have forgotten, its been a regular feature and only he knows what he wants?

    Awas: I do understand your point about his yelling @ Aamer but, that was the wrong time and that is the difference between a real cool player and a phony giggler. He couldn’t control his emotions that was the time he needed to remain calm and talked to him by placing his hand over his shoulder (which he often likes to do with the wrong people) and said, Aamir koi baat nahee now please don’t bowl a no-ball or a wide. Instead he was yelling and screaming at him and Shahzaib just took Aamir away from the firing range.

    Earlier it was Afridi who was constantly patting Aamir and encouraging him even when he was hit for a boundary. And, Nasir Hussain asked Afridi that why he was doing that? He replied, it was a do or die situation and we needed to support our teammates. That is the quality that Afridi has which Younus doesn’t.

    And, Awas please don’t say this: “My second wish was that should Pakistan beat SA and reach the final they would win under Younus’ captaincy. So, let’s see.” Do you think anyone of us is wishing that Pakistan should not win this cup? Obviously it is Younus who is the captain now, but not a single Pakistani would wish Pakistan should lose now. Even if it was Malik, people would have still wished Pakistan to win, otherwise you are not a patriotic Pakistani.

    The point that Khansahab, Munir and I am trying to make here is about the niggles in his captaincy which are not just niggles, I mean today it was just a blunder once again that Umar Gul could not bowl 4 overs and Pakistan is really lucky to have won the match. You cannot repeat such mistakes again and again and hope to win. Yes, for record purposes it will be under Younus’s captaincy but, who are the heroes? They are Kamran Akmal, Shahid Afridi, Umar Gul, Saeed Ajmal.

    Younus had made the wins more difficult for those heroes to achieve because of his wrong decisions in field placements, bowling changes, miscalculation of overs, slow batting and in the end showing his real face that he cannot keep cool especially when it is needed. Anyways, these are my views, my opinions and you have the right to differ and present your views.

    I want to tell you something more, on Sunday if he plays well and, leads the team well and, the team wins, I will give him the due. I am not against him, but I cannot give him the credit when he doesn’t deserve. PERIOD.

  422. #422 by newguy30 on June 19, 2009 - 1:40 AM

    Hi Shoaib, Javed, Awas, Khansaheb, et al

    Great win for Pakistan, I guess you are feeling what most Indians felt when India won the semi against Australia last time. They were underdogs and didn’t had much of a chance, but a few spirited performance helped them win crunch matches.

    This is what Pakistan did today, I was watching the recorded replays, while Afridi was the mastermind behind today’s win, Umar Gul’s contribution cannot be overlooked. Umar bowling his 4 overs giving away nothing is a certainty that Pakistan has got on their side. It’s simply amazing how he delivers that swinging yorker ball after ball. It’s the result of hard work. If you remember Gul bowled excellent in last final, and took the important wickets including that of Yuvraj, that gave Pakistan a chance of come close to win.

    The difference between teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and India versus SA, Aus is that the first three teams play with flair and unpredictability that last two does not have. SA is too robotic, they just don’t have the flair to raise up to big occasion. Once again they choke.

    Regarding the comment on some Indian supporters not happy with Pakistan win, well, you always have people like that on both sides, but in the end to me a team from sub-continent is always preferred over any other team. Pakistan and Sri Lanka especially when they play with flair are a treat to watch, not like robotic teams like SA and Aus. The reason is there is a sense of vulnerability always but they prevail in the end, a human touch if you will.

    If the final is between Pakistan and WI, I predict Pakistan will win – baring a Gayle mega show, but Pakistan has the variety in bowling to pin Gayle down. If it is SL then I would say it is tough to predict a winner, both are unpredictable teams with plenty of match winners.

    Lastly, Pakistan needs this win more than anyone, I don’t care too much about India not getting there this time, last time they needed it badly, especially after the 2007 WC debacle and the whole Greg Chappel saga. But last two years Indian team has enjoyed so much success in Test and ODI cricket around the world, Indian fans are more forgiving. Same for SL, they have had their share of success. Pakistan OTOH need this for various reasons.

    My support is for Pakistan, even if the other team is SL, I still haven’t forgotten the Asia cup final defeat India had at the hands of Mendis 🙂

    Had SA won today, I would have supported either of SL/WI.

    Good luck on Sunday.

  423. #423 by newguy30 on June 19, 2009 - 1:55 AM

    I was watching the final over, Wasim Akram was going on blabbering that “I predicted before the tournament that Pakistan is one of the favorites to win, but no one believed me, but today they are in final” – he is like a politician hedging his bets, either way he wins. Just few matches before when they were losing he was saying “people ask me what is happening with Pakistan team and he said I don’t know I am just a commentator now”.

    I respect Wasim for who he was as a master class swing bowler, and I like his insights on bowling when he is commenting, but I think there is fact in what some of you are saying about his biases. Today he was saying every time Malik gets under the ball I am so comfortable, Malik is the best fielder, etc.

    Funny anyway.

  424. #424 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 4:30 AM

    Umar bowling his 4 overs giving away nothing is a certainty that Pakistan has got on their side. newguy30

    newguy Umar Gul bowled only 3 out of his 4 overs thanks to the brilliant captaincy of Younus Khan, he always does that with his best bowlers that is why he is so happy.

    About Wasim Akram, it is good that you too have noted what he said earlier that “I am just a commentator here and not a player.” And today he is taking the credit by saying, I said this and I predicted this and that, it is not funny but it is all BS.

    I saw the whole match live, and I just finished watching the recording along with some friends who missed it because of work. And, my friends were laughing at his comments that he was saying all the time, Malik is the best fielder in Pakistan when I saw him under the ball (taking Kallis’s catch) I was cool. Then again he said, Misbah is the best fielder in Pakistan.

    And, khansahab will confirm sometime back he said, Butt is the best fielder in Pakistan. Wasim Akram’s blabbering can stop if you stuff a pair of smelly socks in his mouth, his nose is already blocked so it would be a good thing to do. Otherwise, he won’t stop his blabbering.

    When Nasir Hussain was talking to Younus Khan, on every question that Nasir Hussain asked, Younus would first laugh for no reason and that too a phony “hay hay” and then bizzzrrrrrr bizzzrrrrrr, niswar, niswar, niswar and everything he says is out of context and no proper reply. When asked about Shahid Afridi’s superb all-round performance he blabbed and said nothing significant or any compliments to Afridi. And Malik, when asked by Manjrekar the same question he blabbed but, at least in the end he said, ‘Afridi batted brilliantly.’

  425. #425 by Awas on June 19, 2009 - 8:03 AM

    Javed

    All I can say is repeat what I said above:

    And let’s not forget the captain who has taken the team to the final and managed to get the best out of his troopers”.

    Besides, he is still the highest scorer for Pakistan. 172 at a strike rate of 140, the best contribution from a batting point of view alone. One cannot just rely on bowlers only, a decent score has to be made as well. I had also said a score of even 140-145 might be a winning won at a slow pitch like this which indeed it was.

    About loosing temper at not backing up at the stumps. If you didn’t back up once, if you don’t back up twice in previous matches then it’s not so wrong to loose your temper third time. Youngsters need to learn with harsh words as well, it’s not such a big deal.

  426. #426 by Awas on June 19, 2009 - 10:22 AM

    It must be the only fifty in Afridi’s career where he did not hit a single six and still took just 34 balls to reach the half-century.

  427. #427 by Awas on June 19, 2009 - 10:39 AM

    The Mystery of Miscalculation of Gul’s Overs

    After an indifferent first over from the Radcliffe Road end, Gul ran in from the pavilion end and fired in yorker after yorker. It didn’t matter who was batting, those deliveries were impossible to hit. Now in order to change ends for Gul, it meant that he would loose one over. So, it wasn’t such a “miscalculation” from Younus’ part, a masterstroke rather as Gul’s pinpoint accurate yorkers started working again.

  428. #428 by khansahab on June 19, 2009 - 11:34 AM

    Shoaib Akhtar’s future uncertain again

    Posted: Friday , Jun 19, 2009 at 1424 hrs IST

    Karachi:

    Controversial Pakistan pacer Shoaib Akhtar is unlikely to make it to the Sri Lanka-bound Test squad despite recovering from a skin infection which led to his exclusion from the Twenty20 World Cup team.

    The interim selection committee Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, Wasim Bari is presently in England to discuss with captain Younis Khan and coach Intikhab Alam before announcing the team for Sri Lanka.

    Pakistan will play three Test matches, five one-day internationals and a one-off Twenty20 game in Sri Lanka starting June 27, which will also be their first full Test series starting against any country since touring India two years back.

    “Shoaib (Akhtar) is unlikely to win the votes of Younis (Khan) and Intikhab (Alam) who are not happy with his attitude. Though he is training once again he is not likely to be part of the touring squad,” informed a PCB source.

    The selectors are also expected to drop pacer Sohail Tanvir, opener Ahmed Shahzad, Shahzab Hasan, Rao Iftikhar Anjum and Fawad Alam for the series with senior batsman Mohammad Yousuf, openers Khurrum Manzoor, Nasir Jamshed, Faisal Iqbal and leg spinner Danish Kaneria set to make comebacks.
    “The selectors are also under pressure to consider Rana Naved, another ICL player, who has been performing well in England for Yorkshire,” the source said.

    The source confirmed that Yousuf is a certainty for the tour in both the Test as well as the ODI squads. “What is clear is that the chief selector wants to have separate Test and ODI teams for the tour and will discuss this with the captain and coach to get their consent,” the source said.

    However, chances of the selectors considering Imran Nazir for the tour are slim since the PCB Chairman Ejaz Butt is still said to be upset with the opener for his behaviour during the final of the national T20 championship in Lahore.

  429. #429 by khansahab on June 19, 2009 - 11:53 AM

    Quotes from Younis Khan’s match conference after yesterday’s match:

    “My main match winners are Afridi, Akmal, Gul, Misbah and I can also play T20”.

    “I have been playing T20 for the past 20-25 years, ever since I have been in Karachi”. (How old is he, then?)

    “We are from Pakistan where nothing is stable or consistent….that is why our team is not consistent”.

    “I enjoy playing in Dubai because there are a lot of Pathans who cheer for Afridi”

    “I didn’t give Fawad Alam the ball for any specific purpose- just to try things out”

  430. #430 by Theossa on June 19, 2009 - 12:07 PM

    Awas

    Good to see you pointing out the facts about Omar bowling 3 overs as I was surprised no one else picked it up but then again there is a difference between emotional hooo haaa and a cold wise head on Awas’s shoulder :). Yeah, Gul was bowling against the air, gave up 10 runs in his first over, and realized that from the other end he would get more swing and pace so he had to switch end and consequently lose an over. Omar also posted some good and fair analyses. To be honest with you it’s becoming rare to see fair, unbiased, and balanced blogs on LS. Pak Spin is successful not only because it’s on a commercial website but also because Kamran Abbasi is a balanced writer. I don’t always find objectivity in his blogs but he is balanced none the less. I strongly suggest You should also write threads on LS and if you think you lack writing skills believe me you’ll do a great job! It’s about time we enjoy some articulation and substance.

    Coming back to the match, it was basically Afridi who turned South Africa into submission. A truly spectacular display of all round performance, he did credited Younus for confidence in him and persuading him to play his shots after getting his eyes in. Omar Gul was brilliant with his deadly suffocating Yorkers, absolutely wonderful to watch. Pakistan played slowed in the last 5 overs but it was because great South African bowling, they gave nothing away and even the fast bowling murderer Razzaq was unable to hit boundaries. It wasn’t his lack of form because he was in prime form during domestic series. One should remember the other team is also get paid to perform. I think Razzaq’s batting order is ok and I say this because Razzaq cannot play spin well and it’s all about spin bowling in the middle overs. Younus captainship was satisfactory at best, he took the gamble on Fawad, which if had paid off would make him a genius but that is the nature of this game. His field placing was good and his attacking approach against South African was something new. I think he is learning and he is not quite there but forget not that most players do not perform well under the burden of captainship. There are also those who will play politics and there are also those who will fix matches to make money. Younus will not be sold for money as he is that type of character and I really hope he leads Pak to win T20 WC, which will give him more power to take more of the team selection matters in his hands as well as extract the best out of his troopers.

    I’m off to a site visit so catch you guys later.

  431. #431 by khansahab on June 19, 2009 - 12:17 PM

    Theossa

    I am sorry if you have found this blog disappointing. It has always been our effort to be unbiased and speak our mind. But at least you like Awas’s commentary! So you like 1/3rd of the blog 🙂

    Without commenting any further about your criticism, I agree that Awas should do threads, too. The problem with him is not that he feels he can’t write- the problem is that he doesn’t have time, unfortunately.

  432. #432 by Awas on June 19, 2009 - 1:44 PM

    Theossa

    Other than what khansahab mentioned which is true – lack of time, the fact is also that I can talk logic but not verbosity. As I’m afraid, like you, I am just a number cruncher 🙂 So, just an impromptu comment is easy to do for me.

    I strongly protest however that you find my comments “fair” and have implicated Omer in this too, so what I have to say to change your opinion is this:

    Someone mentioned earlier that there are apparently four Pathans in the team. That makes nearly 40% of the team non-Punjabi. I see no justification in this. I don’t expect you to give a ruling here either as I gather you too are a Pathan. As Urdu speakers are only a tiny minority, there should be none of them in the team. A proportional representation is what is needed here. What’s fair is fair…okay!

    Only if I have my way the whole eleven would be all made of Punjabi players and that too with players of the calibre of Maliks and Misbahs. Mediocrity is the recipe for success in Pakistan not talent or sheer brilliance of just one individual who may or may not be a Punjabi.

    I trust you agree.

    Kind regards
    Mr Shareef

  433. #433 by Awas on June 19, 2009 - 1:56 PM

    Theossa

    On your mention of “Gul was bowling against the air”. If you remember, he also wasted his run-up and stopped at the crease twice as he didn’t want to take the risk of letting the bowl go aimlessly against the strong breeze.

  434. #434 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 2:07 PM

    Awas

    Reasoning or, making a point that there was wind does not justify the mistake. The wind was there before the match started. Please read my comment 396 which was specifically addressed to you to give the weather report and I showed my concerns on the weather being cloudy and “windy”. So, the wind did not start blowing suddenly when Umar Gul bowled and he had to change ends.

    The captain has to think of all these things, the think tank in dugout should think and send message to the captain especially if the captain is dummy and cannot think and end up goofing things. Its lucky that Pakistan won by 7 runs, they could have won by a bigger margin but, because of Younus’s mistakes the match was so close.

    If you hear the commentary, almost all the commentators were asking when is Umar Gul going to bowl? And Simon Doul said, when it was 11.2 overs, if Umar Gul is not going to bowl from the next over, he may not be able to complete his quota of 4 overs. Just like the commentators and, all cricket lovers who have a little more than “akhroat” brain were thinking on the same lines and saying, “not again Younus Khan, bot again, don’t hold back Umar Gul or he may miss one over.” But, he was in a different world.

    Also, his field placement from the second over was defensive, he removed the lonely slip fielder in Mohammad Aamir’s first over, whereas the young lefty lad bowls with an angle and he needs a slip at least during the power play time. It was Kallis who edged the second ball of Aamir which could have been a regulation catch. Then suddenly be brought back the slip fielder and removed again in his next over.

    Theo

    We also want Awas to write threads and asked him many times to write but, like khansahab says he doesn’t have time. But, threads or no threads from him he expresses his views openly and freely and whenever I disagree with his views, I don’t hide my feelings either. But, we both stay with in the limits and exchange our views in a healthy way. So, you cannot say that this whole blog is a biased blog where like minded people are administrating it.

    As regards Pakspin, writing a thread is one thing and censoring the comments is another. You don’t know how many dozens or thousands of comments are deleted on that blog. It is for this reason this blog was created by three of us. Except for profanity, we do allow comments on this blog which are big or small, funny and critical, dumb and creative all are published. People who have abused us in the past even they came back and commented on our blog and, we published their comments. So, as long as they comment within the line of decency we welcome them.

    I got a feeling (I may be wrong) that you are supporting Younus Khan simply because you do not want to change your views about him. “Fataan Ka Zabaan Ek.” I believe that in order to be fair, one needs to be flexible and open, otherwise if you are supporting someone like a religion then you are biased.

    This is a game of cricket and we need to be fair. What I predict is not the ultimate thing, because I am a human being and to err is human. I do support Afridi, but I don’t support him blindly, I give him the flak when he doesn’t play well and I even abuse him (the recent one was sala Ch2So4) when he was out on a first ball duck.

    The only good thing between our supporting the players here is, both Younus Khan and Afridi are Pathans if one of them was from a different background this would have been labeled as a jingoistic argument between Awas and I. Luckily we don’t have such petty differences here and, Awas knows that as well. So, you take off your beige hat and put on another one, may be *PINK* to brighten up your Roshandan. 😀

  435. #435 by Awas on June 19, 2009 - 2:34 PM

    Javed

    All the commentators were in unison that like in the last match when Umer Gul took 5-6, he would come in the 13th over in order to get the maximum benefit of reverse swing and he indeed did come in the 13th over. Switching of the end occurred thereafter when Gul started having problems with the strong breeze.

    In a famous blunder, if a team like SA could once miscalculate D/L run chase and lose a rain affected match that they could have won quite easily and that too from a coach sitting in the pavilion with DL sheet in his hands then not looking at all aspects of the weather so carefully is not such a big misdemeanour after all. Life is like that sometimes.

  436. #436 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 2:36 PM

    Ha ha, khansahab dekh lo, Awas is saying we both indulge in “verbosity” hence he cannot handle it and, he is logic man 😉 Bhai hum log emotional log hain. Aur emotions bhee kya cheez hai logic nahee samajhtay! Aur logic aisee cheez hai jo baghair emotions kay decisions hee nahee lay tee. 😀

    You know Antonio Damasio did research on decisions that are based on logic sans emotions and that is a very interesting read. Damasio studied people who had received brain injuries that had one specific effect i.e., to damage that part of the brain where emotions are generated. In all other respects they seemed normal – they just lost the ability to feel emotions.

    The interesting thing Damasio found was that their ability to make decisions was seriously impaired. They could logically describe what they should be doing, in practice they found it very difficult to make decisions about where to live, what to eat, etc. In particular, many decisions have pros and cons on both sides. Shall I have the fish or the beef? With no rational way to decide, they were unable to make the decision.

    Based on Damasio’s theory we need to find out the extent of injury YK got on his akhroat brain? 😀

  437. #437 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 2:51 PM

    Awas in case of SA losing those matches it has everything to do with logic and no emotions, hence they lost each time and that is why they carry that chokers tag. Pakistanis are emotional people and their emotions override their logical decisions, some people say there is no aspect of any logic in a Pakistani brain. 😀 Hence the life is like this most of the time.

  438. #438 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 2:54 PM

    Btw, Theo has gone on his usual field trip sans lota. For me it is breakfast time, Paratha & Omelet + Chai. And, then there is the second semi-final – today is Saturday right? 😉

  439. #439 by Aamir Iqbal on June 19, 2009 - 3:25 PM

    The team’s arrival in the final has been an overwhelming achievement of jubilance considering the appalling start in the warm ups and group stages. The side sensed a scare of an early elimination but have skilfully “turned the tables” and achieved something spectacular with some outstanding individual performances and determined team spirit.

    There shan’t really be too fussed over opposition preference in the final because yesterday they proved they can beat anyone on their day.

    Now Younis’s boys are one step away from the glorifying moment. Can they do it, I feel they can!

  440. #440 by khansahab on June 19, 2009 - 3:32 PM

    Abdul

    I am agree that they can. But I think they will find it easier to beat West Indies, although Windies have a solid pace attack with Edwards and Taylor and Pakistan struggle to play pace. Sri Lanka is a more balanced team- they have Malinga who is fast, good spinners and a superior batting line up.

  441. #441 by Aamir Iqbal on June 19, 2009 - 3:32 PM

    However a Pakistani – Sri Lanka final could be an idealist script following the suicidal atrocities a couple of month back. This will be represent a resumption of normalcy and implicate that terrorists are losers.

  442. #442 by Aamir Iqbal on June 19, 2009 - 3:38 PM

    Umar Gul is the best fast bowler in the modern game. It’s admirable potent fiery reverse swinging yorkers.

  443. #443 by Aamir Iqbal on June 19, 2009 - 3:47 PM

  444. #444 by Shoaib on June 19, 2009 - 4:35 PM

    Theossa,

    I respect your analysis but we are not here for commentary so doesnt matter if its biased or not. we are here to share our points ofcourse some will agree and some will not and that’s the beauty of legslip 😀

    Safe

  445. #445 by Shoaib on June 19, 2009 - 4:39 PM

    Newguy30, Varun, Pawan

    my kind regards, you guys are the beauty of legslip and i always read your comments with interest as your comments are more close to reality as compared to us we sometimes write things in emotions……….beside all you guys are nice and real gentlemen.

    Kind regards,

  446. #446 by Shoaib on June 19, 2009 - 4:54 PM

    Khansahab, Javed Khan, Awas, and all

    Kindly if you could lemme know how to put photo with my comments as i could see yours, plz help me, i have asked twice 😀

  447. #447 by khansahab on June 19, 2009 - 5:35 PM

    Shoaib

    The procedure to put the photo on is slightly complicated. If you can send me your photo on khansahab786@gmail.com, I can put it on for you and give you your username and password which you can change whenever you like.

  448. #448 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 6:13 PM

    Can West Indies score 159? The way all the Sri Lankan stalwarts batted except for Dilshan shows that the Sri Lankan team is dependent on their 4 top batsmen, the rest are “hair phair”. So, the point is minus Dilshan’s 96 = 62 in other words the team would have ended under 80 runs. A point Pakistan should take note of and get these top 4 wickets in case they have to play the final against SL.

    khansahab

    Edwards is not in the attack he is injured, even if WI wins he is out of the final.

    This will be a very close match, if Gayle or Bravo plays the role of Dilshan but, it will not be a piece of cake for the West Indies. Lets see what happens in the next one hour and twenty minutes.

  449. #449 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 6:15 PM

    Xavier Marshal out on a duck facing first ball. Poor start by the West Indies.

  450. #450 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 6:19 PM

    Three wickets in one over and all dragged their balls on to the wicket. WI is doomed.

  451. #451 by khansahab on June 19, 2009 - 6:26 PM

    Omer

    Based on Malik’s performance in this Cup he should not be selected for the series against Sri Lanka but rest assured his selection is guaranteed. They have already announced Fawad Alam is not being selected. With Yousuf coming back they will get rid of Alam. Also, they will have another specialist opener- so someone else will need to go.

    For the Tests I think they will go with:
    Butt, opener 2, younis, malik, misbah, afridi, akmal, gul, aamer, fast bowler 3, ajmal/kaneria

    In ODI’s they should use Afridi or Akmal as opener and play Fawad Alam.

  452. #452 by khansahab on June 19, 2009 - 6:36 PM

    This is exactly what I was talking about. Dilshan accelerated and Jayasuria tried to consolidate despite the presence of Sangakarra and Jayawardene- and Sri Lanka could not even manage 160. In theory that score is chaseable in T20- you have to score at 8 per over.

    The top 4 batsmen in the line up HAVE to accelerate and go for their shots, laying a good platform for the consolidators to take singles and doubles. I don’t understand this strategy that is being adopted by Pakistan and others. They claim before the match they want to make 180, but then they get one guy to bat like he is playing an ODI, and then they end up with 150.

  453. #453 by khansahab on June 19, 2009 - 7:21 PM

    If Pakistan could beat South Africa, they can beat Sri Lanka too. They need to do a few things though:

    1) In the first six overs the top 4 batsmen, whoever they are, should try and hit a boundary every ball.

    2) Malik should not be sent before Afridi, Razzaq, Fawad, Younis and Misbah

    3) Younis should be flexible and if the Sri Lankans are attacking Aamer and Razzaq, he should introduce spin.

  454. #454 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 19, 2009 - 7:53 PM

    Sri Lanka can beat Pakistan once, but they cannot beat them twice in a row. They are an unbeaten side just like South Africa and by law of averages they are bound to lose the final. But, law of averages can be effective only when the team plays well and Pakistan has to give their 100% and if they do that they will win.

    West Indies conceded defeat in the very fist over of Angelo Mathews when 3 of their top batsmen including Bravo were out on ducks. Chris Gayle could have done something with the support of the famous duo, the middle order stalwarts Chanderpaul and Sarwan but, both were hopeless. Winning against England in 9 overs was not something they can boast about. They simply couldn’t play big shots.

    I think Chris Gayle’s mistake was winning the toss and opting to field. He would have been better off batting first without any pressure. In big matches it is always better batting first. Younus Khan should take note of this. Don’t field if you win the toss.

    Shahzaib is not learning from his mistakes he is playing airy fairy loopy shots and that too making half hearted attempts to push the ball over the inner circle. Like South Africa, the Sri Lankans are also good fielders and they will catch him. And, I don’t want to write again, I told you so.

    I agree with khansahab‘s view that if the Sri Lankans are attacking the fast bowlers he should introduce Ajmal and not Afridi, because Ajmal is slower than Afridi. And Younus Khan should not make the calculation mistake again.

    Malik, Afridi, Akmal and Younus have a good track record against Sri Lanka and we expect some real good innings from them. Also, Younus Khan should try to send Fawad Alam ahead of Abdul Razzaq. Remember Fawad Alam’s 3 sixes in a row against Sri Lanka that Pakistan won recently in Toronto?

  455. #455 by Aamir Iqbal on June 19, 2009 - 8:11 PM

    Khansahab @ 481 spot on analysis. I’m sure if Pakistan put this into practise they shall win the wc t20 inshallah.

  456. #456 by Awas on June 20, 2009 - 12:29 AM

    Latest Afridi Quotes

    “Younus always really supports me, and that’s what I need from the captain. The coach (Intikhab Alam) is helping me as well,” Afridi admitted.

    “I’m ready for the final.”

    “In the last couple of games, I’ve tried to really build my innings,” Afridi said.

    “But Younus told me before, ‘Just go and play your own game – don’t worry about anything. There is no pressure on you’.

    “He said, ‘Just take your time. Every bowler is easy for you if you do that – take responsibility. You are my main player’.

    “I’m trying to do all of that.”

  457. #457 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 20, 2009 - 2:32 AM

    khansahab

    Kaneria should not be in the squad for the test matches, period. Because, Afridi’s bowling has improved a lot and Ajmal too is bowling very well. The selectors need to give these two a chance to play in the test side to pump up their confidence, which at the moment is very high. And, Kaneria has not played since the last so many months and even when he played he was way too expensive. His overall utility in the team creates negative impact.

    I agree with you that Malik’s place is guaranteed and so is Butt’s and they will drop Fawad Alam for sure. I have heard from someone that Ijaz Butt has once again tried to get Mohammad Asif in the team by asking the Patron in Chief (Asif Zardari) to intervene and pardon him. I am not sure if the PCB pardons him will the ICC accept that?

  458. #458 by Aamir Iqbal on June 20, 2009 - 8:36 AM

    I am supporting the view of Saed Ajmal replacing Kaneria in the test arena. This guy is the new Saqlian Mushtaq !

    Although he performed well :
    http://www.cricinfo.com/countycricket2009/engine/current/match/383005.html

    And out of the gloom Azeem Rafiq hit a ton for Yorkshire : http://www.cricinfo.com/countycricket2009/engine/current/match/383005.html

  459. #459 by Aamir Iqbal on June 20, 2009 - 8:38 AM

    Why is Piyush Chawla not in the Indian side ? :

    http://www.cricinfo.com/countycricket2009/engine/current/match/382933.html

  460. #460 by khansahab on June 20, 2009 - 11:48 AM

    Pak can win if top order fires: Miandad

    KARACHI: Pakistan’s former Test captain Javed Miandad believes Younis Khan’s player can win the Twenty20 World Cup final if the top order batsmen fire against Sri Lanka.

    “I still say T20 cricket is very unpredictable and it is difficult to predict a winner. But from what I have seen those teams do well whose top three or four batsmen score big runs,” said Miandad, a veteran of 124 Tests said.

    Miandad, who is not a big fan of T20 cricket, said Pakistan had done well to promote Shahid Afridi up the order to give him a chance to have a proper bat.
    “I have worked with Afridi as the national team coach in the past and he has always delivered his best as a batsman when batting higher up the order. He has immense talent and is a proper match winner,” Miandad said.

    He pointed out that the top order must take responsibility for giving the team a good start in the final.

    “Sri Lanka is a very good side and unbeaten in the tournament. They have been given great starts by Tillekaratne Dilshan who has been their biggest plus point,” he said.

    The former captain was confident that Pakistani batsmen could tackle the Sri Lankan spin duo of Ajantha Mendis and Muttiah Muralitharan with confidence

  461. #461 by khansahab on June 20, 2009 - 12:58 PM

    Gift T20 World Cup to nation: Zardari tells Younis

    KARACHI: Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari urged the country’s cricketers to give of their best in the final of the Twenty20 World Cup against Sri
    Lanka tomorrow and win the title for the nation.

    The President called up captain Younis Khan in London and reminded him that the country was passing through a very difficult phase and victory for Pakistan could provide some cheer, media reports said.

    “Give the nation a gift by winning the World Cup,” the source quoted the President as telling to Younis.

    Zardari told Younis the team was in a unique position to bring smile on the faces of millions of people back home who are going through tough times.

    Younis apparently assured the President the team would fight till the end to win the final and not let their countrymen down.

    Following Pakistan’s progress to the T20 World Cup final, chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, Ejaz Butt, met the the players over breakfast and exchanged views with them.

    Butt also announced a cash prize of 50 lakh rupees for all-rounder Shahid Afridi, who was adjudged man of the match in the semi-final against South Africa.

    Pakistan players were also assured of special cash prizes if they win the final which they had lost to India two years back.

  462. #462 by Shoaib on June 20, 2009 - 11:40 PM

    yaar kuch samajh nahi aa rahi kia honey wala hey 🙂

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