UNSTOPPABLE TEAM PAKISTAN

THE T20 WORLD CHAMPIONS 2009

THE T20 WORLD CHAMPIONS 2009

Pakistan the most unpredictable team known to be did the predictable thing. When people were writing off the team for being rusty and divided, they wanted to prove them how wrong they are and started to put their act together and started playing like one unit. They were peaking at the right time just like the 1992 team under Imran Khan.

Younus Khan is no Imran Khan in terms of character, personality, qualifications, communication skills or even his leadership qualities and his control over the boys. In fact he is a total contrast to Imran Khan yet, there are a few things that will be similar. Apart from the surname of Khan, both won the first ever world cups for Pakistan. And, both announced their retirements immediately after the tournament.

Younus Khan did the right thing. I have been very harsh on Younus for the silly mistakes he made during the tournament but, that is my enthusiasm and over-expectation from the Pakistani captain. With all his idiosyncrasies and his serendipities Younus managed to be a successful captain. All is well that ends well and that is how the world sees things in the history and record books. I salute Younus Khan for what he did as a captain.

Who says twenty20 is only a one man show? Yes, one man can change the scene or the complexion of the game but, it is the team effort that makes it possible to win a major tournament like this. Shahid Afridi could be seen as an obvious demolition man with this two brilliant performances in the semis and the final.

If you analyze the match now, the proceedings  started by the young 17 year old Aamir who nailed the so-called player of the tournament in his first over by his intelligent and accurate bowling and the stalwart Abdul Razzaq took the 3 Sri Lankan wickets and applied the breaks. Within the first 9 overs Sri Lanka’s top order was back into the dugout. It was a team effort.

If you analyze Pakistan’s batting, yes Shahid Afridi played a great knock, but you cannot ignore Kamran Akmal’s and the 19 year old Shahzaib Hasan Khan’s contribution. Playing the first six overs without losing a wicket settles the dugout atmosphere, it gives the captain a sense of relief and also to the middle order that there is a foundation that is laid for them to work on solid footings.

A medium high total like 138 posted by Sri Lanka may not look big, but it is often very dangerous as it creates a sense of complacence, keeping the required run rate and the wickets in hand is very important and thats what Pakistan did.

Most people think that Shoaib Malik played like a wuss, but come to think of his role, it was much needed for the time and situation.  Shahid Afridi was the aggressor and Malik played the role of a second fiddle, he admitted that Afridi played brilliantly and he calmed him down to stay at the crease for a longer period of time.

Afridi changed the course of the game by hitting Murali for a six followed by a four and he sealed the match in Udana’s over with yet another six. Afridi is definitely the player of the tournament because of his 176 runs, 11 wickets, two brilliant performances, one in the semi-final and the second in the final. Dilshan’s batting in the tournament was good, but Afridi’s over all performance with bat and ball was far superior and he excelled where Dilshan failed. So, he is the champion of the Champions.

THE REAL PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT

THE REAL PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT

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  1. #1 by Mohammed Munir on June 22, 2009 - 11:36 AM

    Javed Khan …

    A good, sensible and well balanced thread.

    Now that the barrage of emotional write-up and comments are settling down, you have come up with a very intelligent and a truly realistic article.

    Yes, I agree, Afridi’s overall performances are definitely much better then others and he is the real Man Of The Tournament !!

    Younis took a very bold and highly commendable decision of resigning from the International T20 Cricket. Although, timely but such praiseworthy and self-sacrificing decisions are rarely taken in our (Asian) part of the cricketing world.

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 22, 2009 - 1:54 PM

    Theossa

    On the importance of winning the T20 WC by Pakistan, in our previous thread “From Lahore to Lords” we have emphasized the need for Pakistan and why it is important to win this cup. Since the thread was done just 30 hours before the start of the final you may not have read it, please read it its not too long. And, on winning the cup we have started this new thread.

    On your concern about including MoYo in the team for SL tour, I think for test and ODI he is OK. Like, Abdul Razzaq’s inclusion is a kinda comfort for the middle order batsmen, MoYo’s inclusion will be a comfort for the openers. Besides, Younus is not retiring from test and ODI so there shouldn’t be any worry about the middle order. But, I want Misbah to find his form and play big innings. Malik plays for himself in every form of the game and he will contribute 30-40 or a odd fifty here and there to guarantee his spot in the team.

    The selectors must dump the idea of including Danish Kaneria in the test team. Afridi is in such a great form that he can destroy Sri Lanka in the test and ODI also. And, it would be foolish to drop Saeed Ajmal as well, he bowls well in tandem with Afridi and he is also a wicket taker. And, what a good combination it is with a leg break and an off-break bowling in tandem.

    Danish is rusty, out of form and gives away too many runs and if you include him on the basis of his past performance first check out the number of runs he gives and compare his over all utility in the team with Afridi. Also, it won’t be any good for the youngsters morale that they are not considered or not worth to be considered. In a test side you need two regular spinners and Malik can also bowl. So, three fast bowlers and two spinners are enough.

    Munir

    By Asian part do you mean India? Your wink is missing here, so it is difficult for me to make out.

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 22, 2009 - 2:07 PM

    Theossa

    And, I concur your idea of making Afridi the captain of T20 without a second thought – eliminating the idea of considering Misbah or Akmal as other candidates – also, he should be made the vice captain of the team for tests and ODI’s. And, Younus Khan, like he said he is too old now must be aiming to retire from all forms of the game after winning the ICC 2011 WC. So, in these two years Afridi will be matured enough to lead the test and ODI side as well.

    By winning this T20 WC, Younus Khan has made the life of the next T20 captain of Pakistan very difficult and I must say “very miserable.” Because, after achieving the highest success in that form of the game he retired. The new captain whoever he may be has to do not only his 100% but, retain the WC and for that you need to have very high standards of the game for the next 2 years and even then it is not guaranteed that Pakistan can win the next T20 WC.

    So, it is a kinda check-mate by Younus Khan, that is why I said, it is a very good decision. When Imran Khan retired, the team was full of star performers like Miandad, Akram, Waqar, Saeed Anwar, Amir Sohail, Inzamam, Saleem Malik, Ramiz etc. and yet the team couldn’t win the WC despite the fact that W&W were at their peak. Now, as you have rightly said, the team doesn’t have those stars except that they have the will and determination.

  4. #4 by Mohammed Munir on June 22, 2009 - 2:16 PM

    Javed Khan …

    I think am on LS for long enough now and so you correctly got my point without my regular ‘wink’ being there.

    Yes, I did mean the few ‘mature’ Indian players who are not willing to make way and thus are softly ‘pushed’ by Dhoni. But we can’t blame them much, I guess, the amount of money is a bit too much in India 😉

  5. #5 by Theossa on June 22, 2009 - 2:40 PM

    Javed

    I am agree that winning two T20 WC in a row is somewhat an unrealistic thought. I also believe that luck plays a good part in winning a championship as all the chips should fall in your way in terms of player fitness, form, motivation, and overcoming outside factors. I think making to the semi final will be considered a good achievement. This year the strongest team on paper i.e. India that also happened to be defending champions could not even reach the semi finals so this shows how tough this competition is. What makes Pakistan’s victory even more amazing is the kind of distraction we were put through, e.g. Vettori’s baby cries over Gul’s bowling and Abdul Qadir’s opportunistic resignation. Afridi will make a good captain; by great performances he has put himself in a position to lead and inspire the young players.

    I think the selection of 15 men squad for Sri Lanka is overall very good. I read on Cricinfo that Afridi will only play ODIs as he requested a break, do you have any information on that? I think if Afridi is available he is an automatic selection now with his bowling form and recently shown batting authority over Sri Lankan bowling. If Danish is played, it’s more likely he’ll be playing alongside Afridi.

    One more note; England will be drooling over acquiring the right to stage Pakistan’s home games for the future as Pakistani crowd filled green in the stadiums. You know how fortunes change in no time when you’re the winner.

  6. #6 by khansahab on June 22, 2009 - 2:52 PM

    How this victory will benefit Pakistan is in terms of morale. The team will believe in themselves and the public will be uplifted. This Cup has shown as that Pakistan is capable of brilliance, even though it’s sporadic.

    The biggest flaw with the team for a decade has been lack of consistency but the clincal performance against New Zealand, South Africa and then Sri Lanka begs the question, that is Younis’s contribution imbuing a sense of consistency into the team?

  7. #7 by Theossa on June 22, 2009 - 3:16 PM

    Khansahab

    In the West it’s about the system which could sustain even the most incompetent leaders like Bush but in the East it’s all about the leadership. We all saw how grown men were crying like little girls when Benazir died, LOL. So people in Pakistan also look up to the leader and untie behind an inspiring one. This time though apart from Younis’s leadership, the players must have some strong motivation, call it winning for the suffering nation or for the late Bob Woolmer, or just to prove a point that they could not be marginalized. Honestly, this team on paper was a lot less talented than other teams but they played like a unit with aggression, emotions, and sheer will. But one must be impressed by the character and integrity of Younus as he won the respect of the team and I hope it carries on but I’m afraid internal politics and distractions are still there. Oh, btw Fawad in the 15 member squad for SL, a good opportunity for him to learn and groom at the most skillful even if he just plays the warm up matches. Nothing substitute hand on experience of tricky bowlers and situations.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 22, 2009 - 3:45 PM

    Theossa

    I didn’t see the news on cricinfo about the squad but, one of my friends was telling me that Afridi has requested a couple of weeks break – remember he responded to Nasir Hussain’s question about his ankle and he said, yes, I hurt my ankle, but right now because of the win, I could barely feel the pain – so that is the reason he wanted some rest. It is not serious but, I have never seen Afridi sitting down on his haunches after playing a shot. He was almost run out before he hit the six to Udana, but Sangakara threw the ball towards the stumps and missed it by miles and Afridi was at least 2 meters short.

    The team with Khurram Manzoor and Faisal Iqbal, Abdul Rauf (the bowler) is OK but, not an intimidating side in Sri Lanka against Sri Lanka. I hope missing Afridi in the test side will not be like missing Inzamam in the side. Sometimes when a key person is not playing in the team the vacuum is felt very strongly. I hope the strong Pakistani middle order batting line up will not let this happen.

    Sri Lanka will be playing the test matches in their own backyard very seriously and they will be looking for a revenge, although it is not the same format of the game but, for them they have to prove a point and also they need to rebuild the morale of the team.

    Munir

    It is not only in cricket, if you look around in Dubai the Pakistanis after working or living in Dubai for a certain period of time move ahead, either they move west or they go back. But, it doesn’t happen in case of the Indian community, they want to stick there as long as they can. Btw, are you also an Indian 😉

  9. #9 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 22, 2009 - 4:10 PM

    khansahab

    How are your exams going? Theek Thaak? Get over with it and get into the blog. And where is Awas today? Probably going through Monday Morning Blues! Yo Man, cheer up. If you don’t wanna write about cricket write a few jokes.

    Theossa, Munir

    Did you guys see the two posters at Lords some Pakistani spectators were displaying them? One was a huge banner addressed to India…..“Dear India, you can hide your tears, you (are) pussycats. R (you are) no match for our ‘majestic lions’ read a banner in one of the stands. The banter was sporting and reportedly taken by the Indian fans in the right spirit.

    “I bought my ticket from an Indian,” was another poke at the former world champions.

    Interestingly both the photos were on cricinfo on the same page Nagraj Gollaphuddi wrote his article:

    http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202009/content/story/410117.html

    BUT, now cricinfo has removed those photos. If they were taken in light spirit, then why did the Indian controlled cricinfo mafia removed them? However, I have saved the photos on my computer.

  10. #10 by Aamir Iqbal on June 22, 2009 - 4:19 PM

    I was proud to have the opportunity to witness it. The climate was scorching , the venue was first class, the line ups were an idealist script for this unique occasion especially when taking into consideration all the troublesome times the county has faced, the teams arrival in the final had brought back a spark of patriotism and unity.

    Anyhow let’s progress to the match and moments of the day itself. The crowd was largely populated by energetic Pakistani supporters, here with a determined desire of getting across the line and repeating that magical day in 1992. “ Afridi Afridi” they chanted away and oh boy he didn’t fail to live up to the expectations as Pakistan clinched glory to the pleasure of the entire nation. This is a cause of celebration and acknowledgement. The reaction back home has been fulfilled with happiness. Certainly this is a moment one shall cherish for a long time to come.

  11. #11 by Aamir Iqbal on June 22, 2009 - 4:34 PM

    A few reasons why we are champions !

    Captaincy determination – He looked so
    strict in the field towards the latter half of the competition. This showed desire and fighting spirit. We could see that this was a pumped up unit.

    Effective combinations – We found the winning formula in the New Zealand match such as when to turn to Gul and when to utilise Afridi in the batting line up. We were able to maintain this winning strategy from that game onwards.

    Spinners – Enable to apply or restrict a “squeeze” on the opposition with their guile in the middle period. They consistently performed, claiming a handful of wickets.

    Akmal’s cameo- Set the tone and momentum for further consolidation. Utilised the fielding restrictions and played freely. Really put the opposition on the back foot frequently.

  12. #12 by Q on June 22, 2009 - 4:47 PM

    Congrats Javed, Khansahab, and the rest on this awesome victory.

    Afridi should have surely been player of the tournament.

    Hopefully he will become Pakistan’s 20-20 captain now.

    I would have liked to see him in Pakistan’s test team too… he’s definitely a better bet than Kaneria.. but the PCB said that Afridi had requested a 15 day rest so he will join the team for ODIs.

    And Javed bhai, thank you for acknowledging Malik’s role..

  13. #13 by Theossa on June 22, 2009 - 4:48 PM

    Javed

    LOL, I think the first poster is kindda plain rubbing but the second ones is more apt with a lot of meanings. I still think there are Indian writers on Cricinfo that write balanced and sometimes in favor of Pakistan.

    I have come across this link in which Yousuf Pathan reacts to Umer Gul by calling him names, “Gan**o, goli mardonga!” in his Bangali accent which was funny, Pathan khopdi even if Indian Pathan.

  14. #14 by newguy30 on June 22, 2009 - 4:59 PM

    Hi Guys,

    I had underestimated how much cricket meant to Pakistanis, I thought both Indians and Pakistanis loved their game and had the equal amount of spirit. But reading about all the celebrations and ecstasy of victory, I now understand cricket means much more to Pakistanis than anyone else, including Indians. I am now finally able to get an understanding of all the passion and emotion shown by the fans.

    Indian fans are similar, but I think there is a very distinct cultural difference that I now see. The same attitude is displayed by the players on the field, I always used to wonder why the Indian team never showed the kind of passion and aggression in the field like the Pakistan team do when they win.

    This is a different sort of aggression than those from teams like Australia who like to sledge and dominate opposition – Pakistani aggression is pure and simple expression of the joy of winning, of achievement they are making in the field. Glad that kind of pure expressions still exist in the game, which is all about money now.

    Compared to the IPL millions made by Indian players, the prize money and cash awards received by winning Pakistan team looks nothing, still they came out and played with passion and desire to win.

    I hope this goes a long way in uniting the country in some ways.

    Regarding the banner that Javed mentioned- I saw it on cricinfo – “Dear India, you can hide your tears, you (are) pussycats. R (you are) no match for our ‘majestic lions’”

    Well .. I don’t feel bad about it, Indians can dish it out, they need to learn to receive as well 🙂 All done in good fun.

    I am also very impressed with Younis Khan and he has done for his country and his team. He has no superstar status like a Dhoni, and he had a team that was battered, bruised, and with divisive elements – his chief selector called him no fit to play this format of game in the middle of the tournament, yet he managed to get his main players motivated, he himself contributing, and led them to ultimate success. Bravo!

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 22, 2009 - 5:49 PM

    niceguy

    I don’t mind that kinda banter displayed by the Pakistani crowd with a banner saying: “Dear India, you can hide your tears, you (are) pussycats. R (you are) no match for our ‘majestic lions” The point that I wanted to highlight is, if it is a light hearted comment and taken in right spirit then why did the cricinfo guys removed that picture?

    And, I agree with you that YK does not enjoy that superstar status like Dhoni. When Pakistan lost the Caribbean WC, Pakistani computer wizards using computer graphics, created cartoons of Pakistani players and Younus Khan was made an auto rickshaw driver and he looked so real. So, did Rana Naveed when they made him a barker and called him “Rana Nayee” and Afridi a truck driver with his truck named as “Afridi Taiyara” (Taiyara = Jet) and those photos are still there on the Internet.

    Theossa

    I disagree with you on the impartiality tune that you played favouring cricinfo. There may have been some impartial comments and articles by a few people but, the way they were censoring the comments made by Pakistanis – among them we the blog administrators of LS were most affected – forced us to start a new blog of ours. And those comments were not abusive or insulting, the surprising thing was when the same comments were copy pasted under an Indian name rather a Hindu name they were published. And, this happened many, many times.

    And, I am not blaming the Indian guys or the Indian fans alone, even Pakistanis also show their patriotism but, cricinfo being such a big reputable website should not have done what they did. We all know who the owners of cricinfo are and I have been writing on cricinfo when it was http://www.cric.org and I have used to write on Kamran Abassi’s blog on BMJ i.e., when he wrote about MIANDAD’S SIX IN SHARJAH and he did the analysis with Khalid Khan and wrote that six dented the Indian psyche and they never won any tournament against Pakistan for the next 18 years.

    Now, I don’t write and sometimes I don’t even read articles other than cricket news. And, comments on the blogs? NO way Jose. It is not worth reading and wasting my time because I don’t write there.

  16. #16 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 22, 2009 - 6:06 PM

    Q

    You don’t have to thank me for acknowledging Malik’s role in the final. First of all I have nothing against Malik in person likewise, I had nothing against Younus Khan in person. My criticism is based on their performance and their decisions.

    When I criticize Malik people think that it is because he is a Punjabi, that is a narrow minded approach. If Malik is playing jingoistic role, I am not a dimwit dolt not to see that, hence I criticized it. When he played petty politics and tried to create divisions and fractions I criticized him. Younus Khan is a Pathan and so am I, but I have no love for him or for Afridi. I have criticized Younus Khan a lot and argued with Theossa and Awas. And, I will criticize Afridi a lot if he screws up. We all make mistakes but, if you keep repeating mistakes then you deserve criticism.

    My advise to Malik is, he should focus on his game and nothing else, he is a good player but, he feels very insecure and right now he is playing for himself and holding his place in the team by his teeth. When he was the captain, even then he used to feel insecure and wanted to get rid of those who are a threat to him. That was his biggest mistake, you cannot chuck out your match winners and also hope to be a hero. You can be a hero when all the players play well like a team and win.

    Younus Khan, despite behaving like a dummy and a goofy somehow managed to gel his team in the last two three matches, be it because of the intense criticism from all corners, or be it due to his flexibility to adapt change or, in his own words sometimes I am very brave and take brave decisions. Fortune favours the brave and he won the cup and that is the crux of the matter. By retiring from the T20 format after winning the cup, he has now made the job of Afridi – or whoever the next captain for the T20 WC will be – a very tough job.

    The maximum anyone can do is, equal Younus Khan’s record that is to win the next T20 WC. But, they cannot surpass his record. It means they have to win it twice in a row to beat his record and there is no one like that in the next decade to fulfill that goal and achieve it. Besides, all the teams are so good that on their day they can beat the other team and keep the champions out of the tournament. Like, India the strongest team on paper, the defending champions lost all their super8 games. The two unbeatable sides in the tournament Sri Lanka and South Africa were beaten by the unpredictable team who are now the champions. Such is the game of cricket mais, c’est la vie.

  17. #17 by Theossa on June 22, 2009 - 6:11 PM

    Javed

    I only wrote on Pak Spin and that too the number of times I can count on my fingers so I’m not aware of the Cricinfo face you presented. I was not talking about the bloggers but the article and bulletin writers. I still think there are some Indians who write balanced articles and sometimes in favor of Pakistan. Among all Osman Samiuddin who happened to be from Karachi is the best writer.

  18. #18 by Theossa on June 22, 2009 - 6:38 PM

    Javed

    My, Awas, and Omar’s arguments over Younis were on the basis of stability of the team as we are The Logical Sector of LS Machine. You, Khansahab, and Munir are the software that would malfunction sometimes 😀 Changing captains often undermines the team stability in a sense that every captain has different preferences, techniques, and strategy. If Malik was given a run of 2 years, Younis also deserve so. Like I have been saying he’s an adaptable character and he can unite the team better than others. Are there others e.g. Afridi who can make better captain them him? Absolutely, but Younis must run his course before we judge him. I think a Younis- Afridi combination will be the knockout punch but expect otherwise from the PCB.

    What you guys think of Dilshan’s Dil Scoop? I’m not kidding but when were young we used to play this shot all the time with tennis ball wrapped in electric tape. There are kids who still play this shot on the streets of Karachi. I never thought someone would play it with a leather ball! I think if he chooses to play this shot in test matches, someone like Gul or Aamer who can produce a sharp bounce will knock his teeth off as bowlers can bowl many bouncers in tests. I think he’s smart and will limit it to the T20s only when a bouncer is already bowled.

  19. #19 by khansahab on June 22, 2009 - 7:26 PM

    Great Pakistani players and what they are famous for:

    1) Kardar the great

    The first great cricketer of Pakistan. A good captain, good player and excellent role model for cricketers just after Partition.

    2) Hanif Mohammad the great

    Inventor of the reverse sweep. The finest Test opener the country produced with an unmatched skill for staying at the crease.

    3) Fazal Mahmood

    The great swing bowler. Became an icon for many bowlers to come.

    4) Imran Khan the Great Khan

    Great allrounder, excellent captain and motivator. Won the World Cup for Pakistan extracting memorable performances from Miandad, Inzamam and Wasim.

    5) Abdul Qadir the great

    Revived the art of legspin and became a source of inspiration for bowlers like Warne.

    6) Javed Miandad the great

    One of the only two Test players who never averaged below 50. Famous for hitting a six off the last bowl in a final vs India. Leading scorer for Pakistan in Tests.

    7) Wasim Akram the great

    Great swing bowler who held the record for highest number of ODI wickets for a long time.

    8. Waqar the great

    At his peak the most lethal fast bowler the world has ever seen. Used reverse swing and yorkers like never seen before.

    9) Saeed Anwar the great

    The best limited overs opener Pakistan cricket produced. Holds the record for highest individual score in ODI cricket.

    10) Inzamam the great

    Greatest Pakistani batsman under pressure. Famous for playing shots very late and winning plenty of matches for Pakistan.

    11) Yousuf the great

    Broke the record for most runs in a calender year.

    12) Saqlain the great

    Inventor of the doosra and in his time holding the record for being fastest to reach 150 ODI wickets.

    13) Younis the great

    Matchwinning innings, expert in hitting good balls for four, played the finest Test knock ever by a Pakistani just after being awarded captaincy. Won Pakistan the T20 World Cup 2009 extracting memorable performances from Shahid Afridi, Umar Gul and Saeed Ajmal.

    Personal favourites:

    Bowler: Waqar
    Batsman: Saeed Anwar

  20. #20 by khansahab on June 22, 2009 - 7:40 PM

    Afridi tipped as T20 captain

    All-rounder Shahid Afridi, who after guiding Pakistan to the World Twenty20 title in Sunday’s final is now most likely to succeed Younis Khan as the T20 skipper after the latter announced his retirement from Twenty20 internationals.

    “For the time being Shoaib Malik is ruled out of contention for captaincy at any level and the way Afridi has performed and handled new-found responsibilities as a senior player, he is certain to become the Pakistan captain for T20 cricket,” one Pakistan board official said.

  21. #21 by khansahab on June 22, 2009 - 7:44 PM

    Dream fulfilled, admits Younis

    “It was one my dreams to win this World Cup. We won our last World Cup in 1992 under Imran Khan and he is my hero. I always used to dream that when I finish my career people remember me like Imran. I used to dream about winning the World Cup and thinking why I was not in the 1992 team, but now I am happy to have won a World Cup,” Younis said.

    So, why did he take the decision in an hour of such glory? “I am 32 now and I think I am old now for this form of cricket.

    “The good thing is that we have some talented youngsters like Shaizab, Ahmed Shehzad and Fawad Alam. Hopefully, they will carry on the work,” he explained.

    The last time Pakistan featured in a World Cup final was in 1999 against Australia at Lord’s, but the match ended in disappointment for Pakistan. Younis said the team was committed not to repeat the mistake at the same venue against Sri Lanka.

    “We lost to Australia in the 1999 World Cup final. So me, Shahid (Afridi) and (Abdul) Razzaq (all members of the ’99 squad) chatted to the guys and told them this time we will hold our nerves.

    “It was surprising to see Afridi bat the way he did, because he was taking singles and doubles. Gul was fantastic with the ball. Afridi and Razzaq too did a good job with the ball.”

    Younis had triggered a mild controversy when he termed T20 as a mere entertainment. But the elegant right-hand batsman said his remark was taken in the wrong context.
    “I said that Twenty20 is a fun game but people took me wrong. I said it then because we lost a couple of games and those were only warm-up matches,” he said.

    However, Younis asserted that the authorities should take steps to preserve Test cricket. “I still believe that this is good entertainment and we must do something about this form of cricket.

    If you continue to promote T20 then there will be no Tests and one-dayers in future. I am not against Twenty20, but I must say that this cricket is harder than the ODIs and Tests because in only 20 overs you will exhaust your whole energy.”

  22. #22 by Awas on June 22, 2009 - 8:10 PM

    khansahab

    Great Pakistani Players…

    You have summed up their achievements really well and all very agreeable…but just one gripe you seemed to have missed out Fawad Alam’s name 🙂

  23. #23 by khansahab on June 22, 2009 - 8:13 PM

    Awas

    He will go in great “Karachi players” 🙂

  24. #24 by newguy30 on June 22, 2009 - 8:22 PM

    Khansaheb,

    Nice compilation of Pakistani greats. Coming from an Indian perspective, there is no one greater than Javed Miandad, whenever there were India/Pak matches, we used to think if we can get Miandad out then the rest will fall into piece, and this is even when he was not in great form. His presence at the crease somehow had the ability to inspire other player to perform, and he himself was capable to stealing matches that almost look lost. I am not just talking about the last ball six ODI, but all matches including tests.

    The two W’s, Wasim and Waqar of course were great, but Wasim was harder, because you just could not get runs off him, where as you could hit Waqar even though he might get the batsman in the end.

    Abdul Qadir were never a threat to Indians, so while I think he was great, I don’t think he was great in the realm of India-Pak matches.

    That said, the best fast bowlers that I have seen over the last 25 years or so of watching cricket is, Malcolm Marshal and Curtly Ambrose. While Wasim and Waqar were great, there is no parallel of Marshall in his prime. He was simply unplayable in the right conditions. Marshall and Ambrose destroyed English and Aussie batsmen countless times, that too sometimes defending smaller targets.

    Compared to those fast bowlers, the likes of Lee and McGrath are nothing.

  25. #25 by khansahab on June 22, 2009 - 9:34 PM

    ‘WT20 was unqualified success’

    Anil Kumble

    A lot of people may have been surprised to see Pakistan finish on top of the world but that sort of puzzles me. After all they were finalists in the inaugural World T20 as well, narrowly going down to India in the final. Yes, they were a bit rusty coming into the tournament but that also meant they were fresh and hungry for success. Also, this Pakistan team is very experienced in terms of their batting, with only India and South Africa running them close.

    It was always a case of getting the balance right for Younis Khan and with the coming of Abdul Razzaq, a lot of his problems were solved as he could keep back Umar Gul for the second half of the innings. The two spinners Saeed Ajmal, whose ‘doosra’ was hardly picked, and Shahid Afridi bowled brilliantly in tandem. Moreover, the promising pacer Mohammed Aamer, who sent back Dilshan in the opening over of the final, was also consistent right through the tournament.

    In fact, it was the two sides whose bowling grew from strength to strength that went on to play the final, showing that bowlers do have a part to play in T20 cricket. Batsmen will continue to win you more matches but the bowlers are no longer mere props. They have figured out what it takes to do well in this format, added more variety and held their nerves while going for wickets rather than just trying to be defensive.

    Of course, batsmen have come up with further innovations, like the overhead scoop shot by Dilshan. Had the tournaments highest scorer got going in the final, we would have had a different story. His very early dismissal added to the pressure of a final and the Lankans were caught napping. Sangakkara played a captains knock, and with the support of the fast-improving Angelo Mathews, did manage to take his side to a respectable total in the end.

    It was always an uphill task though, more so when Pakistan got to nearly 50 without losing a wicket. Then Afridi, who before the game against New Zealand, hadn’t exactly put bat to ball, played like a seasoned pro to see his side home in the company of Shoaib Malik. Everything came together for Pakistan at the right time. Even their fielding picked up and they deservedly ran away with the trophy.

    Overall, the tournament was a success. For me the finds of the tournament were Lendl Simmons from West Indies and Wayne Parnell, the young South African quickie. Also Dilshan’s consistency with the bat, a rare thing in this format, when the batsmen are under pressure to hit each and every ball, was amazing. Add Ajmal’s guile and Gul’s second great run in as many World T20s, and the tournament can be termed an unqualified success.

    One other factor that stood out in the tournament was South Africa’s experiment with spin. The fact that they found two spinners, who could squeeze their opponents, makes them a more all-round team. Now they will be able to challenge any team in any condition and that’s what makes a good team into a great one.

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 3:45 AM

    The so-called “Dishan Shot” has become famous in this T20 WC and that is because he played a couple of times successfully, if I am not mistake one of them was a six? Anyways, people love to give names to shots or balls, e.g., Doosra was Saqlain Mushtaq’s invention and Moin Khan as a wicketkeeper used to tell Saqlain, “Saqi doosra, doosra” and that was a code word in Urdu. Finally it is become known to everyone. Some people associate the reverse sweep shot with Hanif Mohammad.

    This Dilshan shot is not new and theossa is right that even we used to play this kinda shot as kids and it wasn’t considered as a great innovative shot or an excellent shot. In fact if was connected and goes over the ropes, people used to laugh or else, we were criticized by our seniors to play like a cricket player and not a “Belcha shot.” (Belcha = shovel) Only the most anari person used to play that kinda shot. It looks like you are about to slam your own face with the bat. And, it is indeed a very risky shot if the wicket is bouncy or the bowler figures out what the batsman is trying to do.

    Standing at the crease with a good stance and a balanced posture was also one of the things that was considered to be stylish
    and elegant and not like Shivnaraine Chanderpaul’s awkward stance you don’t know which he is facing. He stands as if the cover fielder is going to bowl him.

    Leaving all your wickets or exposing them to the bowler and moving on the leg side to make room to play a shot on the off-side was also not a part of civilized cricket. Slogging was meant for bowlers only and I reckon they used to move on to the opposite side i.e., move on the off-side and play a shot on the leg-side.

    I still consider that as a very safe shot as opposed to the current shot which most players play these days. I reckon hitting a ball on the leg side is much easier than hitting it on the off-side. You can easily send the ball over the ropes if you move to the off-side and pull it over the square leg or the fine leg. And, in these limited over games if you miss its a wide ball. So, I wonder why they don’t try this? Field placements may be? But, pull shots and hook shots are so strong that no fielder moves when you hit it hard. Any comments from experts? I shall be happy to hear from Mr. M. Y. Kasim.

  27. #27 by khansahab on June 23, 2009 - 7:53 AM

    Miandad wants Younis to stay on

    Karachi (PTI): Pakistan Cricket Board Director General Javed Miandad wants Younis Khan to take back his decision of retiring from Twenty20 cricket, saying his presence was important to defend the World T20 title next year and win the 2011 ODI World Cup.

    “The next T20 World Cup is just a year away and then we have the main World Cup in early 2011 so it would be better if Younis remained captain in all forms of the game,” he said.

    “Younis must continue to play and captain the team in all forms of the game to maintain consistency and uniformity in the team for future tournaments,” the former captain said.

    The 33-year-old Younis announced his retirement from T20 cricket after leading Pakistan to the World Cup title on Sunday insisting he was too old to play the shortest version of cricket.

    Miandad, who was also a member of the 1992 World Cup winning team, said Younis had led the side sensibly and strongly, besides he also commanded the respect of his teammates.

    He has the respect of players and he has got them together. His presence is necessary to build on this great win,” Miandad said.

    Interestingly, former chief selector Abdul Qadir repeated his demand that the board should appoint separate captains for the Test and one-day teams.

    Qadir said although Pakistan had won the World Cup, it would still be good for Pakistan cricket if they had different captains for Test and one-day sides.

    Qadir had resigned as chief selector earlier this month during the World Cup insisting that the selectors were not being allowed to work independently.

    Miandad who has also remained coach of the Pakistan team thrice, however, was critical of Younis’ and some other players’ decision to return home separately.

    “The entire team should have come together to Lahore and the players belonging to other cities could have gone from there to their homes.
    But this is such a big occasion of celebrations and joy for the nation that the entire team should have returned home together,” Miandad said.

    “I know how much the people wanted to see us on our return and welcome us. I thought Younis should have returned with the team to Lahore,” said the member 1992 World Cup winning team.

    Miandad commenting on the ICC decision to make Younis captain of the ICC T20 world team said instead of this it would be better if the ICC now restored Pakistan’s 2011 World Cup matches.

    “I think the Pakistani cricket fans have shown that despite security issues they rever cricket and Pakistan must be given back their World Cup matches,” Miandad said.

  28. #28 by khansahab on June 23, 2009 - 8:04 AM

    Check out what Pakastanees were like in UK:

    This is Britain, not Pakastan.

    http://www.justupit.com/get.php?id=20c435342777f9cc92ba9ebf8df43ca9

    As the reporter said, har jaga bari bari sucreenay laga kar logon nai match enjoy kya.

  29. #29 by Awas on June 23, 2009 - 9:11 AM

    In the ICC World T20 team that has been announced, why is there not a single Indian there, like Rohit Sharma, Yuvraj and MS Dhoni?

    Surly Dhoni is better keeper than Kamran Akmal, even though Kamran Akmal’s wicket keeping remained unnoticed this time. That usually means that keeper is doing a good job as keeper only comes into spot light when making mistakes. For the last two tournaments Akmal has definitely improved and apart from odd mistake here and there he has remained a good keeper.

    Men’s Team: Chris Gayle (West Indies), Tillakaratne Dilshan (Sri Lanka), Jacques Kallis (South Africa), AB de Villiers (South Africa), Younis Khan (Pakistan, captain), Dwayne Bravo (West Indies), Shahid Afridi (Pakistan), Kamran Akmal (Pakistan, wicketkeeper), Wayne Parnell (South Africa), Umar Gul (Pakistan), Ajantha Mendis (Sri Lanka). 12th man: Lasith Malinga (Sri Lanka).

  30. #30 by Shoaib on June 23, 2009 - 9:27 AM

    Javed Sahab

    its newguy not niceguy lol

  31. #31 by khansahab on June 23, 2009 - 10:14 AM

    Awas

    I was thinking about this the a few days ago. Akmal’s keeping has actually been fantastic. However you are right at the same time that a keeper is expected to make less mistakes than a bowler or batsman.

    However I can never have a favourable opinion of Akmal as a whole, because I don’t believe he should be in the team. Under Malik his keeping was horrible and were it any other country, he would have been dropped permanently.

  32. #32 by khansahab on June 23, 2009 - 10:23 AM

    Younus wants to lead Pak to 2011 World Cup win

    Even after becoming the second Pakistani captain to win a World Cup with the Twenty20 format triumph, Younus Khan is not a satisfied man and now wants to emulate Imran Khan by winning the 50-over World title in 2011.

    Sources close to Younus said that he decided to quit Twenty20 cricket for star all-rounder Shahid Afridi to take the skipper’s mantle in the shortest format but he is not in a mood to stand down from the ODI captaincy.

    “Younus is a very straightforward character so he has decided to quit Twenty20 cricket and leave it to the youngsters with (Shahid) Afridi in charge. But Younus is dead serious about captaining the team to take a shot at 2011 World Cup title,” the source said.

    According to sources, Younus was not being able to assert his authority in the beginning of World Twenty20 because of problems among senior team members, similar to what happened in 1992 over late inclusion of star batsman Javed Miandad, which was the reason behind Pakistan losing the early matches.

    It is no secret that when Younus replaced Shoaib Malik as captain in February after Pakistan lost its home one-day series to Sri Lanka, some of the leading players were not happy with the change.
    Younus reportedly faced problems in getting cooperation from players including Malik, Misbah-ul-Haq, Salman Butt and even wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal. But fortunately for him he got support from Afridi.

    “Younus faced problems because these players were resisting the inclusion of youngster Shahzad Hasan and even Fawad Alam in the playing eleven and didn’t want either Butt or Ahmed Shahzad dropped,” one source said.

    “To complicate matters, Younus was also not getting enough cooperation from coach Intikhab Alam and assistant coach, Aaqib Javed. That was one of the reasons why Pakistan had a poor start to the World Cup and the team looked disjointed,” the source added.

    It was before Pakistan’s crucial do or die match against New Zealand in the Super Eight stage that former Pakistan captain Rashid Latif, who is very close to Younus, advised him to put his foot down and exert authority.

    Rashid advised Younus to change the playing eleven by including Shahzab to open with Akmal, play Fawad Alam regularly and use Afridi at the top order,” a source disclosed.

    “After this, Younus got very serious and let the coach, assistant coach and other players know that since he was the captain he would take all the decisions on team strategy and the playing eleven.”

    The source disclosed that Younus was assured full support by Afridi and some other players.

    “That is why Afridi was sent up the order and took on a new responsibility in the tournament. That Younus also scored runs helped a lot,” the source disclosed.

  33. #33 by Mohammed Munir on June 23, 2009 - 11:13 AM

    Enter Afridi the Gladiator, Swaying his Mighty Bat and when He has completed the ‘kill’ he Stands in the Middle of the Arena Arm Lofted, playing to the Blood Thirsty Crowds.

    Surely when Afridi is in that Pose, Arms Raised, Beaming Smiles, Chest Out … You sense that he is about to come out with the lines like ……….

    “I am Sahibzada Mohammad Shahid Khan Afridi, The General to the Armies of the North West, A Loyal Soldier to Younus Khan’s Troops, The ‘Real’ Captain of Pakistan Team, Obedient Son of a Wounded Nation, Friend of a dead Coach, and I will have my Vengeance in this T20 match.”

    PS: These lines are taken from a Pakistani Fan’s comments on another blog.

  34. #34 by Awas on June 23, 2009 - 12:29 PM

    Younus did the right thing to put his foot down. With the right captain, I do believe captain should have a lot of say in selection matters as Imran always did. Selection committee should only be like an advisory committee with power of veto to captain only. Likewise, when Afridi is announced a T20 captain, he should have such luxury too.

    Malik and Misbah should be kicked out because of their behaviour and resistance to Younus’ preferences.

    Someone like Rashid Latif should be made a chief selector instead. As far as coach is concerned, it should be a foreign coach simply because of the internal politics. Only foreign coaches can remain distant from such politics.

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 12:45 PM

    Show-Aib

    That is your job shoaib i.e. aib nikalna 😀 And, you have yourself said before while thanking Varun, Pawan and newguy that you are nice, so what is wrong in my calling newguy30 as nice guy?

  36. #36 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 12:49 PM

    Awas

    Did you see the captain of our previous thread FROM LAHORE TO LORDS is being used as headlines by some British Newspapers i.e., two days after we wrote that thread under that caption. Another incident, the opening sentence of this current thread is also being used as a caption for one of the blogs on cricinfo. Are we creative or what? 😀

  37. #37 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 12:55 PM

    khansahab

    If Akmal continues to play like this with bat and gloves, I will certainly keep him in the team, he needs to be kept away from petty politics and focus on the game.

    The team has won the cup and its a kinda euphoria and everyone is talking about teamwork and unity and oneness etc. After a while when the euphoria dies, people will be back to the same old petty politics.

    I agree with the notion that honest people should be given a fair chance hence RASHID LATIF who is known to be the most honest, dedicated person around and like Awas said, he should be made the Chief Selector with a free hand. Also, that the captain must have a strong say in team selection. But, the captain must not be biased and he should be fair in selection.

  38. #38 by Mohammed Munir on June 23, 2009 - 12:57 PM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ “Btw, are you also an Indian” No, I am not. BTW, where are you going after Canada ? 😉

    LOL @ “Show-Aib”. Yeah he is showing you the ‘abs’ 😉

  39. #39 by Awas on June 23, 2009 - 12:59 PM

    Some wonderful words and beautiful writing from Osman Samiuddin:

    So, of course, yesterday’s win was going to be important. For good measure, for a people weak for romance, it was done in a bolshy, Pakistani way, against the grain, confounding everyone and even their own captain. For added touch, a Pathan led them and a Karachi-based Pathan – an ethnicity in itself – was his main man. Shahid Afridi, an observer said yesterday, has in him spirits of both Karachi and the Pakhtoon, spirits that have often resided uneasily; he is likely to hustle you as Karachiites always will, but the fight he brings will be a fearless one, even if it is often self-defeating. After this, people will remember him differently.

    Younis Khan, in particular, has led with touching dignity and grace. He was lampooned for calling the whole thing a bit of fun earlier in the tournament. Yet why wouldn’t he? Like Inzamam in the decade before him, he has stood upright and proud through quake after quake, tremor after tremor. He has seen a coach and mentor die after a traumatic loss, he has seen an international team attacked by terrorists in his country, he has seen his province and hometown in flames, he has seen immense personal tragedy and he has travelled to cricket grounds while being shot at during the worst of Karachi’s ethnic battles. So if he thought that this was a little bit of fun, you can see why.

    But when he needed to get serious, he did. It was not missed in Pakistan that he barely smiled on the field during the semi-final and final and if he laughed at errors before, he was not so forgiving here. He led Pakistan’s run-scoring when they were doing badly and that’s not bad for a player not thought of by some – including his own, now former, chief selector – as a Twenty20 batsman. Mostly, he realized when the flow was with Pakistan and he seized on it, like Imran Khan and Wasim Akram had often done before him. And he then did what so few subcontinent cricketers have done: he left gracefully. Admittedly it was only from the one format that anyway holds less allure for him, but it was some stage to leave, particularly with the riches the shorter form now brings.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 1:02 PM

    khansahab

    Thanks for the link on “Pakastanees in Birtain” that poor guy from GEO TV is just a paindoo reporter. I know one lady doctor, MRCOG from the UK while giving a lecture on Gynecology & Obstetrics in front a few hundred doctors (seniors and juniors both) was constantly using this word, “If you look at the SUCKREEN you will note…… Now, what you see on the SUCKREEN you’ll see that…… ”

    Old habits don’t die or, you can’t teach new tricks to an old dog.

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 1:04 PM

    BTW, where are you going after Canada ? 😉

    No Plans Munir. BAKAOZ Junnat is full of old hoors (millions of years old) I need to do some more research to tell you which place is more better, but right now Man Tree All iz da best. 😀

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 1:12 PM

    Awas

    Yes, those are not just nice words and beautifully written too. But, it is also the truth. And truth is beautiful, truth is sweet and for some truth is bitter too. But, in this case Younus deserved the sweetest of words and the most beautiful recognition.

    In this thread too, I’ve mentioned that despite all those things Younus said during the early stages of the game like the fun and entertainment or whatever else is trivial and should be ignored. The most important thing is: All is well that ends well.

  43. #43 by Awas on June 23, 2009 - 1:19 PM

    Javed

    truth is sweet and for some truth is bitter too

    I thought only love is bitter 😦

  44. #44 by khansahab on June 23, 2009 - 1:21 PM

    If anyone needs to see pain, bitterness and sadness, please read my shayari on V talk which will show you what happens when Beauties break hearts…

  45. #45 by Awas on June 23, 2009 - 1:26 PM

    khansahab

    Just to disappoint you, I do that but unfortunately that brings only laughter out of me not “pain”.

  46. #46 by Theossa on June 23, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    Shoaib Malik should be dropped permanently

    I think Shoaib Malik should be discarded permanently from Pakistan squad. I guarantee you he won’t be missed at all. The sooner they do it, the better it would be. This guy has been playing and will play dirty politics just like his Senator Uncle and the kind of the team divisive politics that were played in Wasim/Waqar era. The news has surfaced that Mohd Yousuf left Pakistan because Shoaib Malik made life tough on him when Malik was the captain. It’s not a secret that he tried to get rid of Afridi on numerous occasions along with players like Younis Khan and Omer Gul. If it wasn’t for Slahuddin Ahmed, then the Chief Selector of Pakistan the career of Afridi would have been over long ago. Our team won’t be able to perform consistently unless this guy is dumped. Too bad his uncle is still there to watch for his crooked nephew.

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 2:37 PM

    I thought only love is bitter. Awas

    You are once bitten twice shy! 😀

  48. #48 by opinion786 on June 23, 2009 - 11:08 PM

    Congratulations to all cricket lovers! Pakistan needed this timely success to unite and rejoice. Pakistan Zindabad!

    Very well written Javed! You are fabulous with words! Maybe we should take some classes from you 🙂

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 11:09 PM

    Wasim Chakram Choora should stop boasting about his expertise that he spotted Mohammad Aamir and he spotted Sohail Tanvir….. this is all Bull.

    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184585

    Mohammad Aamir was in the squad and in the earlier matches he was not given any chance until Rao, Tanvir and Arafat failed. We never heard Wasim Akram saying there is another young guy called Mohammad Aamir and he should be given a chance. Instead he was insisting that Tanvir is a match winner and one or two failure does not matter, Younus Khan should keep giving Tanvir a few chances and Tanvir will win matches for Pakistan like he did for Rajhastan in the IPL.

    The moment we all saw Mohammad Aamir bowling and he bowled pretty decent, he started his blabbering that I spotted him. Someone should put a dirty smelly pair of socks in his mouth to shut him up. Even if he has spotted so what? There is a big difference between spotting and coaching and recommending prior to his selection.

    Ask Mohammad Akram how Wasim Akram treated the young fast bowlers? Those youngsters when they came to him asking for tips he asked them to get lost. This is not exaggeration or biased view against Akram but, this is a fact. Mohammad Akram said this on a TV interview and he was very disappointed.

    Wasim Akram loves to coach where he can get money, he has no loyalties for the country and his players and he is seen only where there is money and fame. He taught Irfan Pathan the art of swing bowling, whereas, Umar Gul in his recent interview in Peshawar said, he watched the videos of Wasim and Waqar. That is the best he could do. And, Wasim Akram can break all the rules, goes on to the ground in Australia and in front of TV cameras he showed Irfan Pathan how to hold the ball and where the seam should be pointing and how to release the ball etc. etc. Did he ever do that to ANY PAKISTANI FAST BOWLER? NEVER!

    When Daniel Vettori accused Umar Gul of ball tampering Wasim kept his mouth shut. He is not a current player or a PCB official that may keep him barred from speaking to the media in other words there is no contractual binding. The ICC would have never asked Wasim Akram why you responded to Vettori’s accusation. But, he did not stop criticizing Shahid Afridi when he got out for a zero on first ball of Murali in the super8 match, he said, “Afridi never listens to anyone. And now he plays with his eyes closed.” And, the reaction from the crowd was one guy made a poster saying: “AFRIDI CAN YOU SEE THE BALL?”

    This is how he de-motivates and dis-encourage his own players (Afridi) and this is how takes the credit by saying I spotted him.(Aamir) When Pakistan was playing badly in the round matches he said in the commentary box, when I went out, Pakistani supporters were asking me “Wasim Bhai, what is happening? I told them, why are you asking me? I am not playing, I am here only as a commentator.”

    Later when Pakistan won, he said, “From the beginning I was saying Pakistan will win and peepal were laffing at me.” Girgit ki terha rang badla MF Bastard.

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 23, 2009 - 11:15 PM

    Mirza Royal Baig Opinion786

    Thanks for the congratulations, as we say “Khair Mubarak.” i.e., congratulations to you too.

    I was told by someone that even the Taliban are celebrating Pakistan’s victory? If this is true, then I must say that cricket can unite this country more than the fear of its enemies.

    I think no one will stop a Taliban XI in Pakistan playing domestic matches, and if they play then who is gonna come to disturb the game?

    Hayaat lay kay chalo
    Kayenaat lay kay chalo
    Chalo tou saaray zamanay ko sath lay kay chalo

  51. #51 by M. Y. Kasim on June 24, 2009 - 3:39 AM

    Khansahab,

    I like your selection of favourite players.

    To this, I would like to add few of mine also.

    Imtiaz Ahmed, Asif Iqbal, Mushtaq Mohammad, Majid Khan and ofcourse, Wasim Bari, one of the worlds’ best wicket-keepers.

  52. #52 by M. Y. Kasim on June 24, 2009 - 3:42 AM

    And late Wasim Hasan Raja.

  53. #53 by Sarah on June 24, 2009 - 4:33 AM

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  54. #54 by Nayyar Afaq on June 24, 2009 - 2:03 PM

    Although, this article was published before the Final match, but friends, you would love to feel the spirit of writer.
    ————————————
    Pakistani Cricket: Not Just A Win (by Ramesha Khalid)

    TORONTO, Canada—Pakistan always has been a nation of miraculous survival.

    Burdened by war, distraught by multiple enemies, crumbling due to lack of stable economy, badmouthed in the cricket arena by critics across the globe. This one nation that has been salvaging itself over the course of history, rising above its challenges and challengers alike, has done it again in the T20 cricket semi-final.

    They came with a bad physical and even worse psychological form, many of them hailing from cities that are constantly attacked by terrorists sent from Afghanistan. They came to England with a lot on their minds; the T20 World Cup was just one of them. They were not able to play any decent cricket for the past 2 years, almost. No one expected any thing more of them this time. The political crisis has become so intertwined with our cricket lives that even the commentators were (intentionally or not) using phrases like “this is the Pakistan to be afraid of”. I personally loved that.

    But once again, the Pakistani nation rose to support the only group of people who we have relied and loved unconditionally since the beginning; our cricket team. Just this one, they forgot about the war, forgot about the politicians busy playing them behind their backs, forgot about the social maladies, forgot about the lack of money, forgot about all their troubles and put their country and its ambassadors to the forefront. The cricketers themselves worked to put all problems on the back shelf just temporarily and focus on this one ray of hope that can have such a huge psychological impact on a country no one has hope for any more.

    Our team was criticised the moment it lost the warm-up match to India. It was criticised for experimenting with their batting line-up, it was criticised for losing where it didn’t even matter! India, on the other hand, had the whole world rooting for them. (That is a trademark Indian ploy, by the way.) Indians across the globe were ready to put Dhoni in a temple and start worshipping him. The arrogance in their step was unmistakeable. But their defeat was equally unwelcome and now caricatures of Dhoni are being burned on the streets! South Africa itself was being hailed as the perfect team, the ultimate T20 hotshot. They were undefeated throughout the tournament but ended up falling victim to the law of averages. You have to lose somewhere, and by the Grace of Allah, Pakistan lost at just the right moments.

    And they won at the right ones, too. It is crucial to remember why Pakistan’s win is so important. This win is not about winning at all. It is about showing the world that once again, Pakistan has performed in the face of difficulty; death of their coach, attack on their country, bombing of their cities, exploitation of their money. A nation who the whole world had given up on has turned around to come out with a lot more than they expected. But they earned it. These players were working under the pressure of not only the game, but the political games being played with their loved ones in their hometowns. Sometimes, Allah sends motivation from unusual sources.

    Younis Khan has even decided to dedicate the cup to Bob Woolmer should Pakistan take it home with them. Pakistanis around the world are praying that we do bring it home. We must continue these prayers and pray two Rakats of thanks to Allah for providing us with hope and motivation when all things were falling apart. Let it be known that our win is not defined by the World Cup (even though we are going to pray long and hard that we win it and win it GOOD). Rather, our win is defined by our ability to overcome difficulties, rise above the challenge and stand united so we can show our enemies we are not defeated; we will never be.

    Pakistan Zindabad.

  55. #55 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2009 - 3:41 PM

    Nayyar Afaq – I have not only read a few of your articles but, a couple of them were also reproduced here on this blog on the “politics page” that we used to have earlier. So, you are not a stranger here on this blog, in any case it is nice to see you “ba-nafs-e-nafees” on the blog. We would like to see a face to that name and not just a picture of Musharraf.

    Thanks for the article of Ramesha Khalid. On the comment by the author that, “Our team was criticized the moment it lost the warm-up match to India.” I would like to respond to it by saying, we were also very critical of Younus Khan and the selectors for the decisions that were made by them in the beginning and our criticism was not only healthy but, it was in line with the need of the hour.

    Whatever we suggested to make changes i.e., to drop Salman Butt and Ahmad Shahzad the openers and to replace them with Kamran Akmal and Shahzaib Hasan, promote Afridi up the batting order, include Abdul Razzaq in the team and discard Tanvir, Rao and Arafat and to make aggressive field placements etc., these were all done in the later stages of the tournament and that is the reason the team won.

    I am not saying that we are experts and because of our comments on this blog they have made the changes, but I am sure our comments may have echoed and created ripple effects and that is how this electronic world operates just like neurons traveling at an amazing speed and conveying messages in our brain. Therefore, the point is, healthy criticism always helps in bringing positive results if one has an open mind and the willingness to adapt and accept the change. And, Younus Khan not only demonstrated but, he translated a dream into reality.

    Ramesha Khalid is right that there was a negative propaganda against Pakistan (which still is) and against the team to demoralize them from the outset i.e., after losing the two warm-up matches, the negative propaganda started in a very orchestrated manner.

    India was considered as the strongest team on paper (no wonder they are paper tigers) and were considered as invincible owing to their strong batting line up and the amount of hard work they did in the IPL gave them enough insight on the game. We knew that it would have worked both ways and even the Indians knew that it would work both ways and they were prepared to play the IPL card like a dual edge sword. And, they did. I am not surprised, no one else is surprised. Only the Indians are stunned that they did not win a single match in the super8.

    The South Africans were considered as “The Scientists” i.e., the play the game like it is a perfect science and this time they were destined to become the world champions of twenty20 cricket. Everyone ignored their “chokers tag” whereas, we reminded everyone that they are chokers and they will choke on big occasion and, they did.

    Winning the world cup has done wonders for Pakistan, it has united the tribal areas with the rest of the country for the first time and that is because of cricket. So, cricket is definitely the ambassador of peace. When President Musharraf rekindled the old relations between India and Pakistan using cricket as an ambassador of peace, people were laughing at him. But, it did wonders, people from both countries got united and the people of Lahore and Karachi turned out in large numbers and opened their arms and their hearts for them and there were no bounds or limits in extending hospitality, they cheered them and welcomed not only the Indian team, but also their fans and supporters and offered them free meals and souvenirs especially in Lahore.

    Even before the final, I wrote here on this blog that, “the ICC can take away the cricketing venues for staging big events from Pakistan but, they cannot take away the spirit of cricket from Pakistan.” Long live that spirit, long live Pakistan.

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2009 - 3:50 PM

    Sarah

    I hope you are not one of those mind machines that generates bulk messages that are stereotype drones? So what makes you think that the post is nice and got attention? Is it cricket? So, tell us more about yourself and whether you really enjoy cricket? Thanks anyway!

  57. #57 by khansahab on June 24, 2009 - 3:53 PM

    Afridi devotes T20 victory to Swat people

    KARACHI: The hero from Pakistan cricket team in the ICC Twenty20 World Cup Shahid Khan Afridi has said our ambitions were to relieve the restive nation by winning the world cup and I devote our victory to the people of Swat.
    Talking to Geo news on his return to country, he said the prayers of the people set the ways for our victory, my seniors kept my moral high and boosted my confidence as the tournament progressed.

    He advised political leaders to get united as our national team is and they must learn lesson from our commitment, he added.
    __________________

  58. #58 by khansahab on June 24, 2009 - 3:55 PM

    Little time to savour T20 win, says Afridi

    ——————————————————————————–

    The short gap between the recently concluded ICC World Twenty20 and the next edition in the West Indies in April 2010 has robbed Pakistan of the chance to fully savour the triumph, the allrounder Shahid Afridi has said.
    “I fail to understand why the next World Cup will be played in nine months time,” Afridi told reporters on arrival in Karachi. “If it was being organised after two years, people would have remembered Pakistan’s victory and it would have been more enjoyable.”

    Pakistan’s title win at Lord’s on Sunday was their first victory in a major ICC tournament since the 1992 World Cup. The first edition of the World Twenty20 was held in South Africa in September 2007 and the champions, India, were able to savour their victory for nearly two years. Pakistan on the other hand will hold on to the tag of defending champions for just nine months.

    Afridi, who was given a hero’s welcome in Karachi, said the people of Pakistan needed this triumph as a respite from the unstable political and security climate in the country.

    “We all know how important this World Cup was with so much happening in Pakistan,” Afridi said. “The guys motivated themselves for this World Cup.”
    Afridi had a quiet start to the tournament with the bat but responded strongly with match-winning half-centuries in the semi-final and final. He also took 11 wickets in the tournament.

    He said the support staff, including the head coach Intikhab Alam and bowling coach Aaqib Javed, played a role in shaping the team’s victory.
    “They all really worked hard with the guys and kept them united and close to each other, that’s why we had success,” Afridi said.

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2009 - 4:09 PM

    NINE MONTHS?

    So much time to conceive and 9 months to deliver again? 😀

    No time to cherish, savour and rejoice the moments of victory? Whoever planned this next T20 WC is an asshole.

    Afridi is right that they should not have conducted the next T20 WC so soon. When Ian Bishop was talking about next year’s world cup, I thought he was referring to the 2011 fifty overs world cup, at that time I hadn’t read or heard before that the next T20 WC will be in Caribbean after 9 months. Its insane.

    Like, Ian Chappel said, “Whoever made that law must be shot.” He was referring to the new law under which the batsman at the non-striker’s end can run as the bowler starts running and before the bowler delivers the ball, the batsman is 1/3 or sometimes even half way down the pitch and gets a head start in taking a crucial single in the death over without getting run out. Similarly whoever took this decision to conduct another T20 WC must be shot along with that guy who made that law.

  60. #60 by Varun Suri on June 24, 2009 - 5:51 PM

    Well only 9 months!! It’s really too short too enjoy and reap the benefits of winning a World Cup for eg. bragging about the greatness of one’s team and belittling your main rivals!!

    I would not be surprised , if the Guy or Guys who decided on the next edition of T-20 World Cup was a bunch of idiotic Indians. Maybe somebody already told them Pakistan is goin to win the World Cup!! Maybe it was fixed!! Who knows?

  61. #61 by Varun Suri on June 24, 2009 - 6:21 PM

    Javed,

    Every time you raise the issue of Musharraf initiating the Peace Process by the means of Cricket, It would be great if you could also elaborate as to Why and how it ended? Kargil?

    Pakistani people were indeed very hospitable and courteous to the Indians who went there I have heard it from a lot of people but Alas! All that courtesy was in vain due to certain decisions taken by the top establishment.What do you expect from the other side when something like Kargil happens and the whole nation totally loses it’s hope that there could ever be any friendship between the two neighbours (which has happened time and again which makes me quote a line from a Poem called Albatross hung across my neck- “Hoping against Hopen”) and then this sentiment takes the form of Superiority-Complexes with people on both the sides trying to prove which side is Superior. It is this sentiment which forms the basis of most of your Posts if at all India is mentioned and that is what prompted me to say that and nothing else as at the end of the day it is your Blog so you can write whatever you want.

    It is something similar to the likes of Ex-Prez. Musharraf as everywhere he goes, whether it is India Today’s conclave in New Delhi or Washington or the UK he dodges any questions asked to him on Kargil and he simply replies to this as saying that Whatever WE or the ISI does is nothing different from whatever RAW or Indian Govt. does …beautiful justification for the Creation of the monster called Taliban on the western front and Mujahideens on the Eastern front…

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2009 - 6:22 PM

    Varun

    It can’t be just the Indians, there have to be the ICC mafia involvement in it. Nothing moves without their nod. You can see how adamant they are in keeping Pakistan out of the 2011 WC. They don’t want it to be in Pakistan and they don’t want it to be in the UAE or at any neutral venue and they don’t want to swap the dates from 2011 to 2015.

    The idiotic thing about this next T20 WC is, even the IPL is a 12 month affair. Secondly, the IPL usually takes place during the same period, April-May and this one will clash with the IPL dates, I wonder where the 2010 IPL will be played? In India or elsewhere? If the IPL can be played in South Africa, why cant the ICC cup of 2011 not be played at a neutral venue?

    Finally, it was good to see that even the “Gentlemen” also started liking the T20 just like they like the BLONDES. The success of T20 in England is mainly due to the large population of the Indians and Pakistanis and they came out in large numbers and spent money in buying expensive tickets. I never knew that a common man had to pay 270 pounds sterling to buy a ticket for the final. Reportedly some Indians also sold their tickets in black and some blokes paid 500 pounds sterling to buy at 270 pounds sterling ticket.

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2009 - 6:58 PM

    Varun

    Every time people talk about Kargil they take the name of Musharraf. WHY? Every time I make it obvious to them that it wasn’t Musharraf. The Kargil war took place when the elected dictator, Mian Nawaz Sharif was in power and he was the supreme commander of the armed forces, he took that decision of sending the army into Kargil prior to that there were border skirmishes on both sides.

    It is also a fact that India had earlier mobilized 50,000 troops on Kargil border, until then it was a guerilla warfare. An Army General on either side of the border only executes the orders. So, Nawaz Sharif and Vajpayee both are equally responsible for that Kargil war. And, once a war starts you don’t distribute “Luddoos” you have to fight it to survive.

    And Nawaz Sharif first approved the army plan that they also need to mobilize their army in retaliation to the massive build up of Indian army at Kargil. When the guerilla warfare turned into a war, India used pressure from the US. And, the Clinton Administration forced Nawaz Sharif to stop the war. But, the pressure from Clinton was such that made Nawaz bend over backwards at that time when he discussed with Musharraf he explained the situation to him that if the Pakistani forces retreat, there will be many casualties, because there was no ceasefire, the war was on.

    Any idiot who has no strategic knowledge of war would do that. And, what else do you expect from that Tindoo Nawaz Sharif, he insisted and the retreat resulted in heavy casualties on Pakistan army. Nawaz Sharif lies to the people and lays all the blame on Musharraf when he came to power and not before that.

    On the other side of the border, the Sangh Parivar would be stunned to know that many Pakistanis are praying for the return of a BJP government in India as they feel that a “Hindutva Prime Minister” will have better credentials back home to solve the Kashmir issue rather than a Congress Prime Minister who is bound to be slammed for “selling the country to Pakistan”, in case of any deal over Kashmir. And, these Pakistanis are Nawaz Sharif’s supporters and those who are loyal to him. And they are also hoping to bring back Mian Nawaz Sharif as he has woken them up with his jingoistic slogans of “Jaag Punjabi Jaag.”

    And, please these Mujahideens and Taliban are the creations of the US and even now they and the Indian government are using them to their advantage. I would like Nayyar Afaq and Mirza Rohail Baig to contribute their views on this.

  64. #64 by khansahab on June 24, 2009 - 7:26 PM

    Younis Khan’s interview with Geo TV. Younis is sitting with Owais Khan.

  65. #65 by khansahab on June 24, 2009 - 7:33 PM

    Ajmal paindoo:

  66. #66 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 24, 2009 - 7:34 PM

    Varun

    To add a few more thoughts to the above comment on how Nawaz Sharif issued orders………

    The Kargil war did not start all of a sudden, like I’ve said the border skirmishes were going on and the Indian Army build up was also not an over night issue, it was going on… when the Army notified it to the previous government (Benazir Bhutto’s regime) she did not approve the idea of pitching up an equal number of army from Pakistan’s side. Because, she was aware that if that happens it could turn out to be a full fledged war. She specifically ordered the PAF not to get involved by calling the air-force hierarchy and they were in agreement with her.

    Later when Nawaz Sharif came into power and he took credit of the nuclear detonation and wanted to be remembered as a hero, he approved the plan, by saying “I am agree” in his words in Urdu, he said, “Genrail Sahab Bismillah Karain – Zaroorat hogi tou PAF bhee sath hogi apkay.” This is a fact.

    He could have said, NO like Benazir but he said, Bismillah Karain as if it is a Nihari ki Plate in front of him.

    To cut the long story short, the PAF did not participate and support the army when it was needed and Nawaz Sharif couldn’t make out or control the hierarchy of the PAF and later blames Musharraf. The lack of PAF support or participation and the orders to retreat are the two main causes of too many casualties on part of the Pakistan army. Nawaz Sharif couldn’t digest this and he blames Musharraf because the later became his successor.

  67. #67 by khansahab on June 24, 2009 - 7:44 PM

    Fawad Bhaiyya ki behnon nai istaqbaal kiya

  68. #68 by khansahab on June 24, 2009 - 7:45 PM

    What happens when a match winner returns back home. The guy driving the car is Mushtaq Afridi, whom I have met. My mother has met Afridi’s family too. They lived at a few minutes drive from us in Karachi:

  69. #69 by khansahab on June 24, 2009 - 8:19 PM

    Shoaib Akhtar’s interview with the beautiful Nadia Jamil (interview starts about 2 minutes into the video)

  70. #70 by Varun Suri on June 24, 2009 - 9:51 PM

    Javed@64,65

    “I am agree” to a certain extent when you say that Taliban was created by the US but you have to agree that at that time and some elements even now in Pakistan see them as a strategic asset and that was one of the reasons why nobody bothered about them since their birth in 1989 until now when they have threatened to penetrate deeper into the Punjab and Sindh of Pakistan so in conclusion US is what US is they have always seen their interests but like them ISI and maybe Benazir at that time thought highly of Taliban.

    “I am totally disagree” with you when you say that the Mujhaideens were also created by the US as they have no strategic interest in Kashmir and that is also the reason why the US administration has never taken it as seriously as maybe the Israel-Palestine issue. The sole aim of Mujhaideens is to liberate Kashmir Valley from the Jaws of Brutal Regime of India and it perfectly suited the interests of Benazir at that time and later Nawaz Sharif. Moreover all this happened even before the so-called theory of Indian-RAW nexus funding/aiding the Balochi Rebel Movement surfaced, which is so widely discussed as a justification for all the misadventures done at the Border of India-Pakistan.

    Regarding Kargil I do not know what were the circumstances in Pakistan at that time and i believe you when you say that the real culprit was Nawaz Sharif but at this point i would also stress on a fact coming from personal sources that there was no Troop Build-up on the Indian Side before Kargil and that was the main reason that when it happened Indian Army was caught napping and as a result of which there were severe casualties on the Indian Side as well. I personally lost a Lieutanant/friend aged 24 in that War.

    As far as “Sangh Parivar” is concerned i can assure you that BJP or for that matter any Nationalist Party will never come to Power in India based on their Hindutva Idealogy atleast not in the next two decades. We already have ManMohan Singh warming up the seat for Rahul Gandhi who in all likelihood will be the next Prime Minister 5 Years from now on. BJP lacks potential leaders or magnetic personalities and Advani is too old to attract the ever growing Young population of India. I was once a BJP supporter when Vajpayee was there but now even in my home city Congress has won for the record 3rd time.BJP’s best chance is over and unless until there is a complete Re-branding of this party, i don’t see any future for them in influencing any powerful decisions in the near future…

    If Pakistan takes care of Taliban(with US help) and Mujhaideens, I can assure you it has only to gain from it’s Neighbour. You might call this a Superiority-Complex on my behalf but if you ponder over it you will realise i am stating the Fact.

  71. #71 by M. Y. Kasim on June 25, 2009 - 1:24 AM

    Will somebody tell that S.O.B. Ijaz Butt that PCB is not his father’s Jagir?

    He is ready to pay-off and forgive that druggie Mohammed Asif and take him into the team as well as pampering another one, Shoaib Akhtar, worst ever cricketer, both of whom have brought more disgrace than glory, while trying to ruin the career of Imran Nazir, arguably, the finest stroke-maker since late Wasim Hasan Raja

    According to him, his “sin” was that Imran was unhappy on the decision of Umpire giving him out LBW and hit the ground in anger and frustration.

    Whats the big deal? Players are known to get unhappy over Umpires’ decisions, they are also frustrated with their own mistakes and hit the stumps. They are penalised, fined and warned. They are not banned from playing cricket. Their careers are not terminated by these trivial incidents.

    Who made him Judge, Jury and Prosecutor? What right he has to end a most talented and succesful players’ career while kissing the ass of druggies?

    I appeal to all of you to please take this matter up and start a campaign to remove him from the post of Chairman, PCB otherwise he will end several players career in his whimsical ways.

    Plus, insist that Imran Nazir should be included in the Pakistan’s ODI and T20 team touring Sri Lanka.

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 1:29 AM

    Varun

    You may not agree with me about Mujahideen is creation of the US. Because, you see the word Mujahideen associated with Kashmir only. Actually, the Mujahideen were created by the US and Zia ul Haq to fight against the USSR starting from December 1980.

    A decade long war ended with the USSR suffering very badly at the hands of the Mujahideens and they may not admit it as a defeat just like the Americans do not want to admit their defeat in Afghanistan. The reason no one can defeat the Afghanis is because they have nothing to lose they have already lost everything and they will fight for generations after generations.

    Anyways, those Mujahidins or the concept of Mujhahideens which mainly comprises of mercenaries had nothing to do after the USSR withdrew its army from Afghanistan. Then, these Mujahideens moved towards Kashmir. Prior to that only the Kashmiri’s were fighting for independence of Kashmir. These mercenaries, may be in the name of Islam and Jihad or, may be they have been funded by someone – whoever it is not important – continued to fight for Azad Kashmir along with the local Kashmiris. I hope you have now understood how the Mujahideens came into the limelight at the Kashmir front?

    Now, this is another matter whether Kashmiris or the mercenaries are fighting and why? The question is what is the main reason or, the cause of this conflict which resulted in 3 wars (including Kargil)? Do the Kashmiris want to be independent or they want to be with India?

    India does not want to admit that they want to give Kashmiris the freedom they want. On one hand India talks about democracy, freedom, Swatantrata and Secularism, on the other hand India doesn’t want to give Kashmir any freedom. AND, INDIA never wasted a moment in helping Mukti Bahini and fighting a full scale war against Pakistan to create Bangladesh. Why is there such a hypocrisy in the Indian politics?

    Varun, instead of telling me “If Pakistan takes care of Taliban and Mujahideens you can assure it has only to gain from it’s neighbour…” why don’t you say that, “If India gives freedom to the Kashmiris, they can be assured that, they will gain a lot from its neighbour.” The reason you or any Indian does not want to say or admit openly and fairly that India does not want an independent Kashmir is because you only see one side of the coin.

    Whenever the subject of Kashmir is raised in the UN, India does not want the UN to interfere in its affair, but India wants the USA to be on its side to VETO its move and, not only that, India also wants the US to declare Pakistan as a terrorist state, is not true? Am I not stating the facts here?

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 1:45 AM

    khansahab

    I suggest that we should not be posting videos on the blog because it is stalling my computer and I am not sure if it is doing the same with others? But, definitely it has slowed down the loading speed as it takes too much RAM space.

    I would like others (barring the kid) to give their views on this. Thanks.

  74. #74 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 9:04 AM

    Kasim sahab

    Even before the appointment of Ijaz Butt as Chairman, we were all opposed to it because we knew it was an emotional and political decision. Zardari appointed Butt just because the President has to appoint the Chairman, but it was a decision influenced by some quarters in Punjab who were upset with Musharraf and Nasim Ashraf.

    When someone like Zardari replaces Musharraf, someone like Gillani replaces Shaukat Aziz and someone like Butt replaces Nasim Ashraf, you know something is horribly wrong with the system.

    This isn’t about who is Punjabi and who is non-Punjabi. It’s about good administration and fair outlook. Butt has a brash and paindoo way of dealing with issues, and to some Pakistanis that is very natural and honourable, but we know it is detrimental to the team and to the country’s interests.

    If you look at the disasters that have occurred in Butt’s tenure, they are more weighty than what happened in DNA’s tenure. The Lahore attack, nepotism, Shoaib Akhtar and Asif’s issue (in that how Butt has tried to bring them back), Imran Nazir issue etc. Butt also tried to deal with getting ICL players to play for Pakistan again, but now the legal wrangles of that are becoming apparent. BCCI is suing Yousuf now for accepting a large sum of money to play for IPL.

  75. #75 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 4:20 PM

    I know all’s well that ends well, but the real challenge for Younis Khan is the upcoming series against Sri Lanka. T20 is so much about luck that you can’t say one is a good captain. Captaincy is not that important in T20, it’s very important in Tests because a captain as to plan session per session and he needs to always look ahead and predict what is likely to happen.

    Pakistan have done well, won a global tournament but now they will need to get back to real cricket.

    It will be hot in Sri Lanka and the pitches are likely to be very similar to how they were in Pakistan the last time the two teams played; providing assistance to the pacers in the first 15 overs but then forming cracks for the spinners. I think Pakistan has selected the two best openers for the series- Butt and Manzoor.

    Many people are asking for Butt to be dropped but it’s a knee jerk reaction. Butt has been the best opener for Pakistan in Tests and ODI’s for some time, although he has benefited from politics.

  76. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 5:19 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    INDIAN TEAM INVOLVED IN MATCH FIXING DURING T20 WC.
    DHONI ADMITS MATCH FIXING

    Go to http://www.indiatimes.com and type Dhoni match fixing in Search if http://search.indiatimes.com/websearch.cms?type=0

  77. #77 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 6:16 PM

    Pak players ask IPL for a hike in pay ——————————————————————————–

    Pakistani cricketers are planning to encash their Twenty20 World Cup triumph and ask for a hike in the existing contracts with their respective Indian Premier League franchisees next season.

    After IPL organisers announced that Pakistani players would be welcome to play next season subject to clearance from both governments, sources in the sports management company representing players like Misbah-ul-Haq, Sohail Tanvir, Umar Gul or Kamran Akmal said they are unlikely to play on their old contractual terms of USD 100,000 each.

    “These players are now iconic figures after winning the T20 World Cup and it makes no sense that they should settle for old terms when other players are being paid in millions,” one source told PTI.

    “Recently a senior official of the sports management company visited India and met with Modi and other franchise officials regarding the contractual issues of the Pakistani players who were not informed whether they would receive payments as per their contracts or these were terminated or suspended because they didn’t play in the second season,” one source said.

    He said the official had spoken to the IPL organisers about the possibility of Pakistani players taking part in the next IPL season.

    “But now with the Pakistan having won the World Cup obviously the scenario has changed and it is unlikely the players will go back on their old contractual terms as they feel their value is greater now,” the source said.

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 6:22 PM

    Although I have received an email with photos of Dhoni & co. and the news about it, I still can’t believe they must have done it. We need to verify this news from indiatimes.com

  79. #79 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 6:27 PM

    Javed A Khan

    No other news agency has reported this. On forums people are saying it’s a hoax. I could not even find any reference to this on Indiatimes. So it is probably a hoax.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 6:43 PM

    khansahab

    check out the email that I have sent to you a while ago. Do you think some Indian computer geeks have created photos with computer graphics and the story behind it? Me, too I could not find anything on the link. And of course the Indian fans are very upset and they are not ruling out betting and match fixing in it. But, I doubt it is true, otherwise why would the Indian team be playing in Caribbean right now?

    May be Varun can dig out some info. you may forward him that email. PLS.

  81. #81 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 7:39 PM

    On the Videos page I’ve posted a Youtube link showing a ceremony in which Zardari is conferring prizes to the Pakistan team. (I have not posted it on the thread because Javed A Khan is having problems with videos and maybe others are, too).

    The person who is announcing the names of the players is an idiot. He has borrowed the players’ information from Cricinfo, and Cricinfo’s profile pages don’t update regularly. So he said about Misbah that Misbah has “reasonable” technique, which is unflattering- I am sure if someone would write about Misbah now, they won’t use such words.

    Also, he called Afridi, “Nawabzada” Afridi. He didn’t know that Afridi is “Sahibzada” and not “Nawabzada”.

    Zardari gave an unconvincing speech in the end and blabbed something about unity and said the players are from the “mountains of the Frontier, like Afridi” to players from Lahore. I think he feels Sindh is not part of Pakistan? 🙂 Younis, Shahzaib Hasan and Afridi can be said to hail from “Karachi” too and Fawad also comes from Karachi. I wonder why Zardari didn’t mention Sindh? Is his party carrying out a plan to secede Sindh from Pakastan?

  82. #82 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 7:45 PM

    Also, Jinnah’s portraits have been replaced by Benazir’s since Zardari became President. The problem in Pakistan is that PPP will try and promote Benazir, and if PML N come they will put Allama Iqbal’s pictures next to Jinnah’s!

  83. #83 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 8:45 PM

    LOL @ portrait baazi, its more like musical chairs, whoever goes out, the portraits get replaced. WTF? There should be no portrait other than Jinnah’s that’s all. Earlier when Benazir was alive she used to put Z A Bhutto’s photo. And, the irony is this whole Bhutto dynasty is Shaheed. 900 choohay kha ker billi Haj pay chalee.

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 8:53 PM

    JOSH MALIHABADI, the renowned poet of Pakistan during his last days started reading books in Punjabi. When some of his associates saw him reading Punjabi books they said:

    Josh Sahab, yae kya?

    Malihabad kahaan, Punjab kahaan?

    Josh, ek naami girami Urdu ka shayer, aur Punjabi kitabain?

    Josh replied, “Haan mai ab Punjabi seekh reha hoon.”

    Bhala vo kion?

    Jawab diya: ” Jahanum (hell) tou mujhay jaana hee hai, socha vahan ki sarkari zubaan bhee seekh loon.”

  85. #85 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 8:57 PM

    The President of Pakistan is an idiot and the PM is an idiot too. I don’t understand how these uncouth, unintelligent, corrupt and depraved people can become leaders. I don’t understand what kind of people will want them to lead them. What kind of democracy is this?

    Anyway the PM hosted a function for the Pakistan team. He gave an unimpressive speech. Younis was called to speak about his background and he said,

    “I am from Mardan and Mardan and its people are close to my heart. I was asked to shift to Lahore or Karachi. I shifted to Karachi and played in the streets. Now I am in Karachi but my real base is Mardan.”

    Afridi was asked to say something and he said,

    “My request to all ministers is that, please unite like the team united and make Pakistan successful before it becomes another Iraq or Afghanistan. Please do it”.

    Arif Lohar came and sang his paindoo song. What a tormenting earache! Ijaz Butt was enjoying when Lohar was singing, he was repeating the lyrics and was tapping his fingers and foot at that song. Saeed Ajmal was slouching on the chair, he looked like a real paindoo. Misbah, Razzaq, Rao Ifthikar, they ALL enjoyed that song and I just don’t understand HOW. How can anyone listen to Jugni by Arif Lohar? Is there anything wrong with me?

  86. #86 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 9:03 PM

    I don’t know who Josh Malihabadi is but if he said that, it is incredibly offensive and racist- assuming he is not a Punjabi. It is not even a good joke to say that about someone. There is a difference between finding someone uncouth or stupid, and hating them and associating them with “hell” or such negative attributes.

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 9:06 PM

    khansahab

    I just posted a comment about Josh Malihabadi, you better learn Punjabi and love Jugni and say Nuch Punjaban Nuch i.e., if you want to associate with Pakastan otherwise chup ker kay baitho. 😀

  88. #88 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 9:12 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Please don’t think I said that comment about you! I know you well enough to know you don’t think Punjabi is a “hellish” language or that Punjabis are hellish demons or anything like that. In fact I think you are less biased than me, and I am pretty unbiased. What I say about ethnicities is because I want Pakistan to unite and prosper and as I said, you are less biased than myself. I genuinely feel that way.

    I just read about Josh, he was an Indian citizen and came to Pakistan to raise the profile of the Urdu language and he was unhappy with Punjabis ignoring Urdu and promoting Punjabi. He was unpopular because he complained about the plight of Urdu and Muhajirs. And apparently he died an unhappy man, regretting his migration to Pakistan. He will not be the only one.

  89. #89 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 9:22 PM

    Kasim sahab said there are 4 Pathans in the team and I wondered who the 4th one was, and came to the conclusion that it might have been Shahzaib Hasan (Khan).

    Today Younis Khan said in the PM’s function, “Apart from me there are 3-4 other Pathans in the team”. So apart from Afridi, Younis and Gul who could they be? Shahzaib Hasan Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq Khan Niazi?

  90. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 9:23 PM

    khansahab – I know it may not even sound like a good joke, but jokes are jokes, some like it others don’t. And, most importantly, this joke may have been created by someone and Josh may never have said this. There are so many jokes associated with Josh’s name and that is because of his ZAOQ. Munir can wink on that.

    But, Josh Malihabadi’s poetry was not appreciated in Punjab simply because some people said he is better than Iqbal. Although he was born in, Malihabad India but he decided to migrate to Pakistan in 1958 by his choice. – despite Jawaharlal Nehru’s insistence against it – over what is generally believed to be his concern regarding the future of Urdu language in India, where he thought the Hindu majority would encourage the use of Hindi rather than Urdu. After migration, Josh settled in Karachi and rigoriously worked for Anjuman-i-Tarraqi-i-Urdu with Maulvi Abdul Haq – Baba-e-Urdu.

    Hence he was called as a MutterWaa Poet, A kala Tilyer (black little bird that come in flocks) a bhaiiya who is drunk most of the time. (As if Ahmad Faraz and others never touched alcohol) the truth is he was known as a revolutionary poet. Like I have said, some people consider his revolutionary poetry as better than Mohammad Iqbal’s, you may ask your dad if he knows about Urdu poetry he will confirm to you.

    And, the collection of his poetry include Shola-o-Shabnam, Junoon-o-Hikmat, Fikr-o-Nishaat, Sunbal-o-Salaasal, Harf-o-Hikaayat, Sarod-o-Kharosh & “Irfaniyat E Josh” “Yaadaon Ki Baraat.”

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 25, 2009 - 9:30 PM

    khansahab

    There are so many HELL jokes about Pakistanis that they have no prison guards to protect them because when one Pakistani tries to escape, the other pulls him down…… there are jokes about Marilyn Munroe in Hell sitting in Gandhi’s lap and that is Munroe’s punishment. There are jokes about Pakistanis installing air-conditioning in hell. Come on take it easy. Josh, like Ghalib was also very fond of mangoes and Malihabad in India is famous for mangoes. But, I prefer Pakistani mangoes over others.

  92. #92 by khansahab on June 25, 2009 - 11:05 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Pop legend Michael Jackson has passed away.

  93. #93 by Awas on June 25, 2009 - 11:33 PM

    That’s shocking…he was so young!

  94. #94 by M. Y. Kasim on June 26, 2009 - 1:21 AM

    Khansahab & Javed,

    Re; Poetry,

    The best poetry I have heard and enjoyed is the last couplet of Hazrat Sultan Bahoo.

    Ilm sikhya… per adab naa sikhya….
    tey is ilm daa ki lena.. hoo… hooo…. hooooo…..

    This sums up the majority of us, Pakistanis!!

  95. #95 by Varun Suri on June 26, 2009 - 1:35 AM

    I will write in detail later…but in the meantime here’s the latest PJ…

    The Morning after Dhoni returns from England to his home in Ranchi his Mother serves him a Tea but in a plate without the cup.

    So surprised at this action of his mother he asks her ” Maa Aaj Chai Plate Main Kyon Dee Hai?” and his mother retorts ” Beta, Kyon Ke CUP PAPA Le Gayeeeeee”

  96. #96 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 26, 2009 - 2:03 AM

    Varun

    Munir has already posted this joke 3 days ago………. scroll up and see. 😀 I thought you are going to write something about the match fixing.

    Btw, you have soften the joke by writing PAPA
    Actually it is, “…………….Iss liyeh Beta kay Cup tumharay BAAP lay gaye !”

  97. #97 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 26, 2009 - 2:09 AM

    Farrah Fawcett also died today and I wrote that on V-talk 10. Michael Jackson was only 50, he died of cardiac arrest. What a shame.

  98. #98 by newguy30 on June 26, 2009 - 3:15 AM

    Javed #74:

    Right, so India does not want to recognize the plebiscite term agreed in 1947 on Kashmir, but why should they? It’s not in their sovereign interest to allow even the slightest opportunity to lose part of their sovereign territory.

    Besides what good will it do to the so called Kashmiris? referred that way to indicate somehow they are not Indians. Join the rank of feuding Pashtoons, Sindhis, Baloochis, and Punjabis? Isn’t that what has become of Pakistan now, Kashmir as a standalone state do not have the wherewithal to be it’s own nation, then they must join Pakistan, and to what avail?

    To get discriminated against – just because majority of Kashmiri’s fall into Islam does not mean they will get favorable treatment, it could be worse. So it’s in their better interest to stay with India, where there is at least some institutions that are functioning, there is a government functioning and there is an election process.

    Granted there are large issues, granted people get discriminated all the time, especially minorities, but what country on earth do not discriminate in some way or other against minorities. The question is which one of it is better evil – at this point in history Kashmir is not better off going on it’s own nor joining the troubled Pakistan.

    Regarding Bangladesh, yes, India helped them, out of it’s own interest partially, flow of refugees from Bangladesh was becoming a problem for India, in fact proxy war in Kashmir started as a result of Pakistan losing Bangladesh, Pakistani military establishment decided they had to teach Indians a lesson by taking away some of their territory, so started the proxy war in Kashmir, and Punjab – remember Khalistan? what happened to it in the end.

    Kashmir separatist movement will die down, that movement cannot win, India will never allow it to win. Most Indians believe peace cannot be achieved by giving up in Kashmir, in fact most Indians believe Pakistan will become more adventurous and start other separatist movements in India.

    Look at the Tamil movement in Sri Lanka, should the Lankan government given up to a free Tamil land, just because some felt so? In the end, state won, separatists lost.

    the trouble with Kashmir movement or Tamil movement is that they do not have a strong cause to uphold, so it simply won’t hold water with international community, there are no strong or well respected leaders for such movements that can inspire people. Who is the leader of so called Kashmir movement? Right, I don’t need an answer for that.

  99. #99 by Awas on June 26, 2009 - 7:21 AM

    newguy30

    Very interesting point of view from an Indian perspective.

    At the end of it all what is needed is dialogue between the three stakeholders and come to a an agreeable solution for the sake of peace in the region.

  100. #100 by Awas on June 26, 2009 - 9:33 AM

    The argument for a good consolidator that Omer and I often put for a T20 is aptly put by S Rajesh on Cricinfo. I was never convinced that “Younus is not a T20 player” on the basis that class is permanent form is temporary – just like Afridi showed in Semi and Final.

    As a leader he [Younis] was always positive and inspirational, and as a batsman he was no less dynamic. Pakistan may have blown hot and cold over the course of the tournament, but Younis the batsman was on the ball from game one. In fact, his best performances came when the going was most difficult, in the two games that Pakistan lost. Against England, he played a lone hand with an unbeaten 46 off 31 balls even as the rest of the batting line-up crumbled; against Sri Lanka the story was similar, with Younis’ 37-ball 50 the only major resistance during the run-chase of 151. (In the matches that Pakistan won, they did so with so much to spare that the captain was hardly called upon to do much with the bat.)

    The key feature of Younis’ batting was not only the runs he scored, but more the manner in which he made them. Against England he struck only five fours, and played out a mere seven dot balls. Against Sri Lanka the corresponding numbers were four and six. On the other hand, he ran seven twos in each of those innings. Both were perfect middle-overs innings, with the focus on minimising the risks, picking up gaps in the outfield, and ensuring that as many balls as possible were scored off. They were also the kind of innings that required a fair amount of fitness.
    Younis finished the tournament with a healthy strike-rate of nearly 140 runs per 100 balls, but did so by collecting just 62 out of his 172 runs in fours and sixes. On the other hand, out of the 123 balls he faced, he allowed only 21 to go runless, an outstanding percentage of 17.07. Among batsmen who played at least 50 balls in the tournament, Younis’ dot-ball factor was not only the best, but the best by a considerable distance – second-placed Ramnaresh Sarwan’s dot-ball factor was 25%, almost 50% poorer than Younis’.

  101. #101 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 26, 2009 - 10:01 AM

    niceguy30

    It is true what Awas said, “Very interesting point of view from an Indian perspective.”

    You are trying to compare Kashmir with Sri Lanka which is a different case altogether. And, in case of Bangladesh, you are accepting India is the aggressor but only “partially” owing to its own interest and main reason being flow of refugees.

    If you say mainly because of its own interest and partially owing to the flow of refugees will be more correct. Because, people who were in Bangladesh during 1971 and before that are still alive and they have memories and not just one but, many have confirmed that they never wanted to go to India even temporarily as refugees. We can debate on this for months and still not come to any agreement.

    The proxy war in Kashmir according to you became more active after the creation of Bangladesh and Pakistan army wants a revenge? This is just an imaginary fear, a phobia whereas the fact is all three wars between India and Pakistan i.e., in 1948, 1965 and 1971 were prior to the creation of Bangladesh and Kashmir was the main reason for both countries to fight a war.

    Au contraire, after 1971 a majority of the Pakistanis are of the view that Pakistan should not fight for Kashmir and let the Kashmiris decide their own future. Because, 3 wars in the first 25 years of independence is a big set back for the country’s economy with half the country got away (Bangladesh) and a heavy military budget is not needed if Pakistan needs to prosper. Same is the case with India, they would have also prospered more had they not spend so much money on military budget. India spends 20 times more than Pakistan.

    And, for your information Pakistanis don’t want Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan or, Kashmir if it becomes independent will join Pakistan. The part of Kashmir that is in Pakistan known as “Azad Kashmir” since it is not a recognized country just like the other part of Kashmir is in India. If at all they become a sovereign country they will be like Bangladesh and will have their own independent government democratic, republic or whatever and it is for the people of Kashmir to decide that.

    But, there is one thing where you will be proved wrong and i.e., the Kashmir separatist movement will not die as long as they wish to get independent, even if the 750,000 strong Indian army in Kashmir can kill another 70,000 Kashmiri men in their concentration camps Papa 1 and Papa 2 or, they go berserk like they did in the Golden Temple in Amritsar, they can only suppress that movement temporarily. The fate of Kashmir is in the hands of the Kashmiri people and Pakistan can do nothing for them.

    Finally, why is that you call Pakistan a troubled Pakistan? “At this point in history Kashmir is not better off going on it’s own nor joining the troubled Pakistan.” Is India trouble free? From Kashmir to Tamil Nadu and from Nagaland or Misoland (Naxalites) to Maharashtra (Shiv Sena) the problems are there. You may reckon Khalistan and feel content for putting a lid on that movement, but ask the Sikhs are they content? There are many who say “Je me souviens” it means “We haven’t forgotten.”

    And, to say at this point in history…………... it is similar to what the US says, at this point in history it…….. is not right to leave Iraq. Might is Right.

  102. #102 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 26, 2009 - 10:07 AM

    LOL Awas you are so predictable. An hour ago, I read that S. Rajesh’s article on cricinfo and he uses numbers to prove his point and while I was reading, I thought may be if you read it you will probably quote this on LS and you did. 😀

  103. #103 by Awas on June 26, 2009 - 10:19 AM

    Javed

    I’m glad you found me “predictable” 🙂

  104. #104 by newguy30 on June 26, 2009 - 11:56 AM

    Javed,

    Don’t have a lot of time to reply now – so will be quick.

    I’ll put couple of pointers to think of.

    American civil war – south wanted to go separate country. Lincoln did not let them, there was a heavy cost in letting the country split.

    You live in Canada I believe – Quebec wants to go separate, French Canadians are slightly different than the rest, so is it in better interests of larger nation to let that happen.

    Kashmiri people are slightly different from rest of Indians, but guess what a lot of Indians are slightly different from the rest. Still there is advantage in staying together.

    Regarding Bangladesh – besides being ethnically different from Pakistan, there were geographical issues that would have made it impossible to keep them together, whether India helped or not.

    What people forget though in all this is to enjoy the shared history the three nations have together over centuries. The great struggle for freedom from British where leaders from both sides contributed, history from India and Pakistan I am sure is one sided, whereas people from both nations should be cherishing each others success.

    More later.

  105. #105 by Varun Suri on June 26, 2009 - 1:31 PM

    Well, interesting debates going on…i will reply in detail about my views at a later time as i am busy with few job applications.

    In the mean time I would just add few thoughts of mine and anybody is free to comment on them.

    JAVED, In discussing Kashmir, You have un-necessarily brought in Bangladesh and how it was formed. You just cannot compare what both these issues just because there was a separatist movement going on in both the places.

    Why have you not mentioned anywhere that the The main reason for the creation of Bangladesh was the suppression and mis-representation of Ethnic Bengalis within the Pakistan (West Pakistan at that time). The role of India and Mukti Bhahini or whatever only comes later when almost half of the Pakistan Army was present on the Eastern Border of India.

    India never had any plans to annexe Pakistan or break it into many parts otherwise Why do you think 90000 Prisoners of War (mainly Pakistani soldiers) were released for free after the 1971 War. Contrary to your perception that within India there is a phobia of War and Destruction of Pakistan i think it is totally the other way round.

    As far as Bangladeshi Refugees who do not want to be a part of India, Well It is already too late..in all the Big Metropolitan Cities of India mainly in the North the streets are full of Bangladeshi immigrants/refugees and more and more cross the porous Border every-day to become Slumdogs in different parts of India and add to our Poverty Problem.

    You talk about the Bangladeshis feeling bad about India but after reading the recent Reports of Bangladeshis wanting Official-Apologies for the War-Crimes commited by the Pakistani Forces tells us a different story altoghether.

  106. #106 by Varun Suri on June 26, 2009 - 1:52 PM

    JAVED,

    Just a quick comment regarding your comment on SIKHS.

    It is no surprise that you will come across such Sikhs in your daily life because KA-NAY-DAA is DA place for all those loser Khalistanis ran after they were chased out of India. It is in UK and Canada where the financial help was coming for the Khalistani movement.

    I will only say one thing on this issue. Only those people who are against the Unity of India or who do not want/think good about India will talk about Khalistan and Khalistanis. Ofcourse there are many dis-enchanted Sikhs residing abroad in Europe or Americas but i can testify to the fact that the number of Patriotic Sikhs in or out of India who will give their lives for their country outnumber such separatists by 10:1

    It is not surprising that the only people who seems to be interested in Khalistan are the few confused 2nd or 3rd Generation Sikhs of UKorCanada or Pakistanis(something which is evident from the amount of discussions being done in many Pakistani-Forums on this long solved problem.)

  107. #107 by khansahab on June 26, 2009 - 3:18 PM

    Younis ready to take back retirement

    KARACHI: Captain Pakistan cricket team Younis khan said here on Saturday that he can back his decision of retirement from twenty20 cricket if people insist.

    In an exclusive talk with Geo News, Younis Khan said that he had accepted the captaincy in the past on public demand and if the people still insist him to continue as captain of the twenty20 team he would be ready for this in the interest of his nation and the country.

  108. #108 by Aamir Iqbal on June 26, 2009 - 5:30 PM

    Khan @ 21 really good read.

    Btw also include Mushy ps. Simply he has to be included.

    Umar Gul could soon be in that list as he’s developing into a modern gr8. He was my player of the tournament.

  109. #109 by Aamir Iqbal on June 26, 2009 - 5:33 PM

    Can I ps upload Pakistan’s champions footage link videos ? This is a time of celebration and savour after all…

  110. #110 by Theossa on June 26, 2009 - 6:59 PM

    Guys here are a few comments before and during the T20 WC from a few bloggers on LS. Hopefully they’ll rub on you guys so enjoy and have a good weekend 🙂

    Theossa

    Told you so!

    “I actually think this kind of criticism is necessary to make Afridi think that he is a senior player and should be more responsible with the bat. He does show time to time that he can stay on the crease when he puts his mind to it.”

    “Afridi could be the single most important factor in crowning Pakistan with T20 WC.”

    “I still think Younis will make inroads with his batting in T20, I expect sort of a 32 ball 42 run anchor innings from him. Younis is an adaptable player and will make a positive impact in the batting and fielding.”

    “Younis can unify the team better than Afridi or Malik.”

    “If I had to pick a replacement for Shoaib Akhtar, it would be Razzaq.”

    “I have a feeling that it will be Akmal and Afridi’s show in the semi final against SA.”

    Javed

    “In my opinion, Akmal and Ahmad Shahzad must open and Malik must come at number 3.”

    “I think Malik is still a valuable player for T20 and when the going is good his contributions are worthy.”

    “Sending Afridi at N0. 3 was Stupid!”

    “Abdul Razzaq is way too rusty he is playing on his reputation and the first two wickets he got in his first match thats all”

    “I would add and khansahab will vouch me, Younus Khan is also not a T20 player. But, its very unfortunate that he is not only in the playing XI but, he is the captain.”

    “Pakistan lost the match because of Younus Khan’s bad captaincy, bad team selection and bad batting. He is simply an idiot who only knows how to laugh.”

    “Younus Khan is a BHAAND. It means, a clown, a court jester, a comedian, but he is not a captain or a leader”

    “My criticism on Younis was constructive”

    Omer

    The always calculating Omer said:

    “I really doubt that Malik will be able to play in England should pitches have swing.”

    “Inclusion of Razzaq can make Pakistan’s winning the 20/20 cup twice as likely.”

    “Younis generally shows the ability to learn which is why I think he should remain captain for a longer term.”

    Khansahab

    Khansahab and his dramatic U-Turns 😀

    “Younis was never a T20 player”

    “In T20 Malik is a better player than Younis. There is no doubt about that.”

    “Younis Khan should resign with immediate effect.”

    “The first thing they must do is get rid of Younis in T20”

    “You’re describing Razzaq there. At least Malik can score 40 on a flat track with some consistency.”

    “I would still have Malik than Razzaq though.”

    “However the reason why Malik was sent into bat ahead of Misbah is because Malik is a good hitter and aggressive player.”

    “But everything else being equal Malik is a more aggressive player than Younis and Misbah, both!”

    Munir

    “I have never seen a Pakistani Captain so chicken”

    “Younis, worst Captain … for SURE”

    Shoaib

    Shoaib had some Gayish comments:

    “Oh dear me if he would be infront of me i would love to slap on his face. he is a complete Akhrot, PCB should get rid of him after this tournament.”

    “OMG i never ever seen a stupid idiot captain in my life like him.”

    “Oh i wish i could have those juicy Rasgulley again. lol”

    Awas

    And there was the cool and wise Awas:

    “The same media will call it as Younus’ master stroke if he lifts the cup.”

    “If Pakistan beat SA here then I think they will go on to win the final at Lords.”

  111. #111 by khansahab on June 26, 2009 - 8:54 PM

    Theossa

    🙂

    I made no U-turns. One good tournament doesn’t make Younis a good T20 player. Plus in some matches he batted at no 4 or 5 which I said brings out the best in him, in limited overs cricket.

    Malik did not bat as well as he could- otherwise he is a good T20 player overall. He just needs to be dropped for a while and disrespected so his form can return.

  112. #112 by M. Y. Kasim on June 26, 2009 - 10:19 PM

    Now, lets assess Pakistan teams’ chances against Sri Lanka.

    The first two Tests will be high scoring draws. Salman Butt will score heavily along with Younus Khan and Shoaib Malik would score according to his “satisfaction.”

    Mohammed Yousuf would struggle to find his touch but will return with a bang in the third and last test. Misbah will be total failure and would be replaced by Faisal Iqbal in the Third Test who also would not impress.

    Similarly, Abdul Razzak would also struggle and be replaced by Abdur Rauf in the third Test who would perform better with both bat and ball.

    I predict Pakistan to win this high roller-coaster Third Test. I am not a fortune teller, this is my prediction after long and carefull analysis.

    How about yours?

  113. #113 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 10:03 AM

    Omer

    I also have the decency to admit I was wrong, unlike others who just write their comments and skim read others’ comments on the blog, because they think only they are right and others are wrong. What you have said about Malik in the past will not go down well with most cricket writers in the world, but obviously you don’t care about that because you just skim read what they write and think so high of your own opinions.

    Apparently you think Razzaq is a top player but you don’t understand why he was dropped? He was quality and that is why he was dropped wasn’t he! If Pakistan had a team filled with people like Razzaq and Yousuf playing T20 they would be banned from participating in T20 because of the fielding requirements.

    Pakistan reached the final of the T20 WC 2007 without Yousuf and they won the WC 2007 without Yousuf. That tells a lot about your predictions and super cricket knowledge and acumen. The so called great T20 player Younis himself thinks he is too old for T20 cricket and wasn’t anywhere near the top run scorers in T20 WC 2007. Neither was the pressure player and great player Abdul Razzaq in the T20 squad in that WC.

    I should not even dignify someone’s criticism by responding to him, who has zilch knowledge about domestic cricket and the purpose of holding first class domestic cricket games. I know you don’t follow domestic cricket but you should take a peek at what goes on, because it is on the basis players are selected to play international cricket. There would be no means to select players and identify their skills, strengths and weaknesses for international cricket, had there been no domestic cricket. I don’t know how to get this through your thick skull.

    So Omer, I hope this teaches you that it is very easy to insult or undermine someone, and I can do that as easily as you. But I take the pains to not skim read what others write and I also garner a little decency when I express myself. So I hope it will be a lesson for you.

  114. #114 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 10:38 AM

    LOL- I just saw this Younis Khan interview and he was asked about which Pakistani players should demand more money for playing in the IPL. He said, Gul, Afridi, Misbah and gave the example of Yasir Arafat saying, “He is a top T20 player”.

    Omer, this comment is only a few lines, plz don’t skim read…

  115. #115 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 11:37 AM

    Kasim sahab

    I agree the result of the Pakistan-Lanka series is likely to be how you have predicted. Pakistan have the momentum with them but so will Sri Lanka- firstly because they reached the final and secondly because they will want to have some kind of retribution against a team that beat them professionally in the final.
    I don’t think anyone has a clear edge over the other. Sri Lanka does not have someone like Gul (his contribution on the Lankan pitches can be a moot point) and Pakistan does not have Murali or Mendis. But Pakistanis can play them pretty well.

    I wonder what the team composition wil be. It seems that if Razzaq is played, Malik will have to sit out and vice versa. Alternatively, they can play only one opener to accomodate both of them. Or they can play one spinner only to accomodate both of them.

    Assuming this is line-up 1: Butt, Manzoor, Younis, Yousuf, Misbah, Malik, Akmal, Razzaq, Gul, Aamer, Ajmal/Kaneria……the bowling is too weak with only 3 specialists (Razzaq is not a Test bowler and he is barely an ODI bolwer for that matter).

    Assuming this is line-up 2: Butt, Manzoor, Younis, Yousuf, Misbah, Malik, Akmal, Gul, Aamer, Rauf, Ajmal/Kaneria…….this is more balanced, with 3 specialist pacers and 1 specialist spinner.

    Line-up 3: Butt, Manzoor, Younis, Yousuf, Misbah, Akmal, Razzaq, Gul, Aamer, Rauf, Ajmal/Kaneria………a better line-up without Malik. Razzaq will play his role as an “all or nothing” player, meaning he will either not contribute at all or he has a 10% chance of playing a match saving knock or garnering a 3-wicket haul.

    Line-up 4: Butt, Akmal, Younis, Yousuf, Misbah, Malik, Razzaq, Gul, Aamer, Rauf, Ajmal/Kaneria……..In order to please both Razzaq and Malik, it is likely Younis will go with this line-up.

    Line-up 5: As above but without Rauf, and Kaneria in his place. Result- bowling is too weak.

    So it will be difficult formulating a playing XI. I would go with neither Malik, nor Razzaq and play Fawad in Malik’s position and play Rauf in Razzaq’s position. I would gamble with 5 specialist bowlers- Kaneria and Ajmal, plus the 3 pacers. Pakistan has to play its 3 specialist pacers against Sri Lanka, otherwise the likes of Razzaq will get murdered on the Sri Lankan pitches. Kaneria and Ajmal bowling in tandem can trouble a few batsmen. The middle order of Younis, Yousuf, Misbah and Fawad should be enough to help post a respectable total. So I would go with

    Butt
    Akmal
    Younis
    Yousuf
    Misbah
    Fawad
    Gul
    Rauf
    Aamer
    Kaneria
    Ajmal

    In his interview recently Younis admitted, “Fawad jaisey player ko chance nahi mila”. So people know Fawad can play well- they should give him a chance instead of nothing players like Malik and Razzaq. Until a few decades ago cricket used to be played with 5 specialist batsmen, 5 specialist bowlera and 1 keeper. That used to generate more results than nowadays, when more batsmen are played which results in too many draws. Pakistan should gamble with 5 specialist bowlers although I know they won’t.

  116. #116 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 11:49 AM

  117. #117 by Awas on June 27, 2009 - 12:10 PM

    LOL @ skirmishes between Omer and khansahab.

    I have always found that there is always a lot of good sense and reasoning in khansahab’s cricketing acumen and understanding of the game. But on the face of it, I wouldn’t have taken Omer’s criticism necessarily as “insult”.

    In any case as Javed says perditions are just predictions. It merely creates a bit of interest and anticipation be it out of despair or optimism. Javed, you mention your prediction “that Pakistan will lose 3-2” but you had also said this in the thread “A JUSTIFIABLE SELECTION POLICY?”

    Right now the morale of the Australian team is very low after being thrashed by the South Africans and Pakistanis will give the Aussies the energy boost drink that is needed – batting and bowling practice – and the Aussies will go back home after whitewashing the series against Pakistan.”

    🙂

  118. #118 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 1:34 PM

    Varun

    Naughty naughty! You tried to provoke Javed A Khan by mentioning Kargil didn’t you 🙂
    I can see Javed A Khan does not want this to culminate in another heated argument, so let us bury this now and focus on cricket.

    India will be pleased by Yuvraj’s performance yesterday. He has this habit of outclassing everyone and playing a special knock. It was a high scoring game but if I was an Indian I would not be pleased with West Indies coming perilously close to the target. Dhoni did express that the result was closer than the Indians anticipated. Let’s see how they do in the remaining matches. I think the last time the 2 sides played each other India won the first two but West Indies won the last 4, so mental strength is really important for India this time round. From India’s point of view it was heartening to see Dhoni returning to some form.

  119. #119 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 1:54 PM

    Grade A contracts for Razzaq, Yousuf

    Karachi: The Pakistan cricket Board has decided to award category A central contracts to senior players Mohammad Yousuf and Abdul Razzaq, who have made a return to the national team after resigning from the rebel Indian Cricket League.

    Sources in the Board said PCB Chairman Ejaz Butt had approved the contracts for the two players, who leave with the national team for the Test tour of Sri Lanka today.

    “Both of them have been included in the A category while no final decision has been taken on the two other players who have resigned from the ICL, Imran Nazir and Rana Naved,” one source said.

    Razzaq has already represented Pakistan in the Twenty20 World Cup in England where he was sent as a replacement for the injured Yasir Arafat.

    Senior batsman Yousuf returns to the team for the Sri Lanka Test series after joining the ICL late last year and subsequently being banned by the Board.

    Players in the A category of the central contracts are paid a monthly retainer of 250,000 rupees besides their match and tour fees.

    Meanwhile, former Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik has welcomed the return of Yousuf and Razzaq to the national team and said they would strengthen the team on its tour of Sri Lanka.

  120. #120 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 6:08 PM

    Omer

    So this is all about your hatred for Musharraf?

    Omer I honestly don’t know how to explain to you my stance on Malik. I have seen him playing some good knocks. He did not perform in a single match in this T20 Cup, which is why I was really angry and bashed him. A player can be good and can be bad in some respects and at different times. You say that if someone plays international cricket for 5-6 years, you determine whether he is suited to the format or not, but in Malik’s case his batting has worsened since the past 2 years or so. Ever since he became part of the middle order, his batting has become slow and selfish and he has lost his killer instinct. That, in my view has affected his T20 form. Razzaq was brilliant until about 2004- I don’t see how anyone could have opposed his selection or criticised him. Some players change and develop some qualities as they go along, or let go of some qualities too.

    Saeed Ajmal is a very good bowler- him being a paindoo has nothing to do with his bowling. I said he is paindoo because I find his behaviour very odd and off-putting. That doesn’t mean his bowling is bad. It has nothing to do with the “view you promote of meritocracy”. If being paindoo was a problem I would not argue with you over Malik, who is also a paindoo.

    I don’t see how Musharraf is valid in this argument- I don’t see how supporting him or opposing him has anything to do with Malik or sports.

    First you instigate me by saying I am “always” wrong (which is statistically incorrect, but since you don’t believe in statistics and you only think about meritocracy, you must be thinking I am an idiot) and then you ask me to relax.

    And by the way, Ahmed Shahzad and Mohd Aamer will play even if Malik and Arafat are playing because they are not the replacement for Malik or Arafat. And you have seen how hard it is for Fawad to get a chance to play and they will exclude him from batting at all costs, so your argument holds little merit that Malik and Arafat are creating hurdles in chances being given to Aamer (specialist fast bowler) or Shahzad ( specialist opener).

  121. #121 by Aamir Iqbal on June 27, 2009 - 6:49 PM

    Khansahab,actions speak louder then words !

  122. #122 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 8:15 PM

    Abdul

    I am surprised by your am-agree with Omer. Nevertheless “thanks” for putting vision in front of everyone’s eyes regarding my inexperience of cricket knowledge. Omer will I am agree with you on this. It seems great minds think alike, after all………. 😉

  123. #123 by khansahab on June 27, 2009 - 11:26 PM

    Omer

    Yaar we’re going in spirals, let us bury the argument yet again. I will never admit things in black and white like Malik is a bad player or Razzaq is a good player or Younis is a good T20 player. If there is no continuity or consistency, we can’t make definite judgements like that. I will keep an open mind about all 3 of them. You have said yourself that a player has a role and he has to perform around that role. Younis could not perform that role in T20 Cup 2007, and Malik could not perform that role in this Cup this year.

    I have agreed with you dozens of times lately about Malik and how unprofessional and selfish his batting has been. Not only that, he is not timing and placing the ball and he is showing a weakness against genuine pace. So, I am agree with you on that and you should not assume anything else.

    I disagree that the basis of Malik’s captaincy was those 2 fifties vs South Africa. Razzaq could never become captain simply because he was neither performing consistently with the bat or ball. As I said, Malik has contributed in 30’s and 40’s with some consistency in the past- even if that doesn’t win matches, it still gets added to the team’s score and just looks better than making one 50 in 10 innings and potentially saving or winning a match. Under Inzamam’s time Malik batted brilliantly at no 3 in ODI’s, and that was the time people said he would be the future captain. So, that laid the foundations of something that culminated in a time when Afridi was not bowling that well, Yousuf was like another Tableegh oriented captain, Younis had declined captaincy and Razzaq was out of question for, dare I say, obvious reasons.

  124. #124 by Mohammed Munir on June 28, 2009 - 8:24 AM

    You are not alone,
    For I am here with you.
    Though you’re far away,
    I am here to stay.
    For you are not alone,
    For I am here with you.
    Though we’re far apart,
    You’re always in my heart.

    Michael Jackson, the Greatest Entertainer, the World has ever seen is no more among us. Many of us would have their own memories and remembrances of this remarkable singer, the legend, the absolute ‘King of Pop’.

    What made him different to the present day singers is that the time and the era he ‘ruled’, during the 80s and 90s, there were no computers, internets, powerful media like today, satellite TVs, etc. etc.

    We in the East/ Middle East used to get to see his pictures and listen to his songs weeks and sometime months after those have been released in USA/ Europe.

    Many of our audiences at LS are too young to have seen him in his ‘ruling-days’, starting early 80s.

    I consider myself lucky to have thoroughly enjoyed his music, as and when it happened.

    Learning ‘Moonwalking’ for days, trying to understand his fast-paced English lyrics, imitating his dancing moves, wearing one single glove on right hand, curly hairs, waiting for his new releases, trying to decode his unique words, signals, actions, and talking endlessly about “the guy” …

    Aah … those were the days !!

    The other day, I was listening to BBC Radio, who was paying their last tributes to this extraordinary singing sensation, and a Bangladeshi gentleman, who migrated to UK in 80s, was telling that when we moved to UK, our family knew only two words of English and that were “Michael” and “Jackson”.

    Comparing him to present day singers will not be fair, and comparing him to earliers, simply impossible.

    May His Soul Rest In Eternal Peace !!

    PS: Michael’s elder brother Jermaine Jackson reverted to Islam and his Muslim name is ‘Mohammed Abdul Aziz Sharif’, and there is an unconfirmed news that Michael also secretly reverted to Islam, under influence of his elder brother.

  125. #125 by Farhan Khan Galzie on June 28, 2009 - 10:59 AM

    Washington: Pakistan, split in the middle with terrorist attacks and facing an economic crisis, remains among the top 10 failed states, says an index prepared by the renowned Foreign Policy journal.

    The country, placed ninth among all countries last year in terms of its overall achievement, has improved its position only by a notch – it is placed 10th in the index for 2009 published in the July-August issue of the journal.

    The annual exercise, now in its fifth year, is carried out by the journal and Fund for Peace, an independent research organisation.

    The ranking is done on the basis of the following factors: demographic pressure, refugees/internally displaced persons (IDPs), group grievance, uneven development, economic decline, delegitimisation of the state, public service, human rights, factionalised elites and external intervention.

    The top 10 failed states in the latest list are: Somalia, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Chad, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Guinea and Pakistan.

    India is placed 87th among the 177 countries under study, with its score showing an improvement over the previous year. But its neighbours fare badly in this ranking, with Sri Lanka placed 12th, Bangladesh 19th and Nepal 25th.

    At the other end of the spectrum, the bottom 10 in the list are the top achievers: Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark, New Zealand, Australia and the Netherlands.

    Foreign Policy noted that it is “a sobering time” for the world’s most fragile countries, what with the global financial meltdown, natural disasters, and government collapse.

    “Yemen may not yet be front-page news, but it’s being watched intently these days in capitals worldwide. A perfect storm of state failure is now brewing there… Many worry Yemen is the next Afghanistan: a global problem wrapped in a failed state.

    “It’s not just Yemen. The financial crisis was a near-death experience for insurgency-plagued Pakistan, which remains on IMF life support…All indications are that 2009 will bring little to no reprieve,” the journal said.

  126. #126 by khansahab on June 28, 2009 - 11:06 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Sohail Tanveer Scandal

    Daily express reported about Sohail Tanveer that he is involved in a British model of Pakistani origin named Shanzay. Sohail has not shown his classy performance in the recent T20 world cup and has spent most of the time outside the ground. It has been reported that he has violated the night curfew rule of team during the matches and remain most of the time outside the hotel.

    Shanzay lives in Glasgow and she continuously followed him. In excitement she also posted pictures on a website which were later removed. Sohail is now being accused of following foot steps of Shoaib Akhtar who was also scandalized in the past. Although Soahil denied the charges by saying that he and been to London for the first time and she is known to him through internet long ago and they have met now with her family to take snaps together and they are not dating each other.

    The photo of the couple can be seen on the following link:

    http://www.pakfactor.com/sohail-tanveer-scandal.html

  127. #127 by Farhan Khan Galzie on June 28, 2009 - 11:11 AM

    To Munir,

    “The other day, I was listening to BBC Radio, who was paying their last tributes to this extraordinary singing sensation, and a Bangladeshi gentleman, who migrated to UK in 80s, was telling that when we moved to UK, our family knew only two words of English and that were “Michael” and “Jackson”.”

    That is because Bangladeshis are the biggest losers of the World. People whose life is based around migration and working in the most inefficient way possible.I do not hate Bangladeshis but this is the truth. Not a single country in the world wants them . Hell, even India does not want them , and that is saying something!I think now Bangladeshis should try forced migration to Burma for a better life.

  128. #128 by khansahab on June 28, 2009 - 11:18 AM

    Farhan Khan Galzie

    Welcome to LS. I am assuming you are an Indian doctor living in Australia?

    Regarding Pakistan being a failed state, there are many indicators that point towards a state being failed or prosperous. There are many indicators that do not point Pakistan towards being a failed state, too.

    Pakistan:

    1) Is the world’s 9th largest English speaking country
    2) Has the world’s 7th largest pool of scientists and engineers
    3) Is the 7th nuclear power of the world
    4) Has the 7th largest Armed Forces in the world

    Your opinions on Bangladeshis were perhaps uncalled for. Are you sure you’re not stereotyping?

  129. #129 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 28, 2009 - 12:21 PM

    Farhan Khan Galzie I agree with khansahab that your comments about Bangladeshis are totally uncalled for. Whoever you are fake, phony or genuine, your reaction is based on my earlier comments addressed to newguy30 in which I asked him:

    1. Why did you say Pakistan is a troubled country?
    2. And, the other point was about India helping Bangladesh’s creation.

    Both your comments are very shallow, just like the Foreign Policy Journal which has no credibility of its own. Any Tom, Dick and Harry can start publishing anything and just because it is published from America doesn’t mean it is authentic and true. The fact of the matter is American economy itself is in shambles and they have effected most countries, the US owes China several trillion dollars in debts, the amount of bankruptcies that happens in the US is just like a tip of the iceberg …….

    Anyways, I don’t want to get into this debate. But, you are dissing a nation (Bangladesh) based on your personal feelings. How can I even say that you are a genuine person or a fake person? But, it makes the reader feel that you simply want to vent out your frustration against a nation by hiding under a disguise!

  130. #130 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 28, 2009 - 12:30 PM

    khansahab

    That news about Sohail Tanvir could be a photoshop job, it looks fake to me. And The Daily News is known for creating scandals from nowhere. In any case that auntie in the photo looks either drugged or drunk to me, just look at her eyes! The point is too much money in very short time does spoil these paindoos very fast. Its a shame that Tanvir’s short career is going down the hill and if he is really involved in such things then he will definitely be another Shoaib Akhtar. I hope the media is not going to praise Mohammad Aamir so much that he too lands in the same s.h.i.t.

    Shoaib Malik, wasn’t that great but, since he got involved with Siyali Bhagat his cricket has gone to “Nothing Hill Gate.”

  131. #131 by khansahab on June 28, 2009 - 2:27 PM

    Umar Gul… ‘I feel really confident because of my current form and fitness’

    Sunday, June 28, 2009

    KARACHI: Less than a week after lifting the World Twenty20 trophy at Lord’s, Pakistan’s cricketers flew out to Sri Lanka on Saturday still hungry for more glory.

    Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam was confident that his charges will give their best during the 45-day tour but made it clear that fitness will be the key to their success in Sri Lanka where they will play three Tests, five One-day Internationals and a Twenty20 game.

    “Playing a Test series in Sri Lanka is always very challenging because of the hot and humid weather,” he said. “That is why fitness would be of utmost importance. But I’m pretty confident because my players are fully committed and motivated,” he stressed before his departure for Colombo from Lahore.

    The players left in two different batches from Karachi and Lahore. Skipper Younis Khan left from Karachi along with Umar Gul, Fawad Alam, Faisal Iqbal and Khurram Manzoor while nine other players flew out of Lahore on Saturday. Leg-spinner Danish Kaneria, returning to the Pakistan squad for the first time since the 2007 Test against India in Bangalore, will join the team in Colombo from England where he has been playing county cricket.

    Pakistan will open the tour with a three-day practice match against a Sri Lanka Cricket XI in Colombo from Monday (tomorrow). The first Test starts in Galle on July.

    Intikhab is looking forward to an interesting series.

    “Sri Lanka have quality spinners in (Muttiah) Muralitharan and (Ajantha) Mendis but our batting is good and I hope it will be up to the challenge of playing in the heat and against two world-class spinners,” he said.

    Pakistan’s batting line-up has received a shot in the arm with the comeback of premier batsman Mohammad Yousuf, who broke his ties with the rebel Indian Cricket League (ICL) and was subsequently recalled in the touring party.

    Yousuf, 34, said that he is eyeing a successful return to international cricket.

    I want to make my international comeback a memorable one,” said Yousuf, whose last Test was in Bangalore in December 2007.
    “It will not be easy because when you play international cricket after a big gap it’s always tough, but I will do my best to perform my role in the team’s win against Sri Lanka, who are a very tough team on their home grounds.”

    Also back in the Test is senior all-rounder Abdul Razzaq, who played a key role in Pakistan’s World Twenty20 campaign.

    Razzaq was confident that Pakistan will do well in Sri Lanka. “The way our team is playing I believe we will be favourites to win the series.”

    Pakistan squad: Younis Khan (captain), Misbah-ul-Haq (vice captain), Salman Butt, Khurrum Manzoor, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf, Kamran Akmal, Abdul Razzaq, Fawad Alam, Umar Gul, Faisal Iqbal, Mohammad Aamir, Danish Kaneria, Saeed Ajmal, Abdul Rauf. Coach: Intikhab Alam.

  132. #132 by khansahab on June 28, 2009 - 2:33 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I looked at that photo again and I admit it appears fake. However, Tanvir reportedly has broken curfews in the past. He should check his attitude because otherwise he will go down the route of Asaf and Akhtar, as you have correctly surmised.

    The only warm up match starts tomorrow between SL and Pakistan. Half the players in Sri Lanka’s team for tomorrow have already played some kind of international cricket.

  133. #133 by newguy30 on June 28, 2009 - 3:01 PM

    Javed said:

    Farhan Khan Galzie I agree with khansahab that your comments about Bangladeshis are totally uncalled for. Whoever you are fake, phony or genuine, your reaction is based on my earlier comments addressed to newguy30 in which I asked him:

    1. Why did you say Pakistan is a troubled country?
    2. And, the other point was about India helping Bangladesh’s creation.

    I think I can reply for myself, without making unfair statements such as stereotyping people. For that there are yahoo boards. I wouldn’t call Pakistan as a failed state, troubled yes, every nation has troubles, some more than the other, but there is hope too certainly in case of Pakistan.

    Achievements in sports can be one, achievements in science and technology can be another, I personally know many Pakistanis are they are all very nice and brilliant people, I won’t call any country that can produce people like that failed.

    But anyway I digress, let’s get back to cricket.

    India are back to their favorite past time, wobbling at the sight of a few short pitched balling. I wonder how they will face South Sfrican bowlers in South Africa at this rate when they tour.

    Windies bowlers are hardly threatening, all they need to do is learn what to do with short deliveries, given India has fast bowlers on their side why can’t they learn this in the net by asking their bowlers to ball short.

    Anyhow, Rohit Sharma should go in the next team and practice more to get runs on board. He has stayed on the team for too long while achieving too little, I can’t even remember the last time he scored a 50 in an ODI, why is he in the team? if not for the push by Mumbai lobby.

    Looks like WI will level the series 1-1 today.

  134. #134 by khansahab on June 28, 2009 - 6:12 PM

    I can’t believe what happened to India today.

    Dhoni- what a great player.

  135. #135 by Mohammed Munir on June 29, 2009 - 5:09 AM

    I agree, what happened to India in the second ODI is ‘bad’, but there sure is an explanation for all this and to me, the answer is the Indian batsmen’s helplessness with the shot balls.

    During the recently concluded T20 World Cup, firstly the West Indians and then England team have shown their weakness to the entire world and exposed the Indian batters’ vulnerability to shot balls. During the yesterday game, I was listening to Geoffrey Boycott commenting on Indian’s problem with shot ball, and he said all others teams have seen their weakness and they will all target this soft spot, unless the Indian batmen improve it. He explained that no bowler would like to bowl shot balls to any batman, if the batman plays them well, but if he does not, then bowlers would love to exploit it.

    In one of the games against Pakistan, Shoaib Akhter hit Ganguly with a rising ball in his rib-cage and Ganguly was taken to a hospital on a stretcher. Since then, not only the genuine fast bowlers but even the medium pacers and slow-medium-pacers were trying to exploit Ganguly’s trouble with the shot ball, which almost cost him his career.

    Fast bowlers are like hunting wolves, and once they smell blood, they will not stop unless they make a kill. Now Indian batsmen’s weakness to shot ball is out in the open and every bowler will exploit it unless they come up with a solid technique against it.

  136. #136 by Mohammed Munir on June 29, 2009 - 5:12 AM

    Farhan Khan Galzie …

    I hope you don’t have a Bangladeshi boss 😉

  137. #137 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 29, 2009 - 5:31 AM

    Munir,

    Not only Ganguly, even Tendulkar was also very uncomfortable against the rising balls from good length and any ball coming to his chest level was difficult for him to handle and he was getting out frequently. But, then Tendulkar is Tendulkar, he worked hard in the nets and learned how to tackle these short pitch deliveries and the rising balls from good length and developed the undercut shot and perfected it. The rest is history, no bowler was able to dominate him for a long period of time.

    All these young so called great ODI and T20 players like Raina, Rohit Sharma etc., need only one thing i.e., to watch the videos of Tendulkar or ask him to help them in learning how to play these shots. The success of Tendulkar is not just his eyesight but, his footwork too and on top of that his timing with his hand-eye coordination.

    I watched only India’s innings today and I had to go so I was unable to watch the WI innings but, I have recorded it and may see it later. In the first match it was only Yuvraj’s innings that made the difference, today if he had played like he did in the first ODI things would have been different. Dhoni played a marvelous innings, it probably the best 100 he did not score.

  138. #138 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 8:37 AM

    Jang has reported that this is the playing XI for the first Test:

    1. Butt
    2. Malik
    3. Younis
    4. Yousaf
    5. Misbah
    6. Kamran
    7. Razzaq
    8. Umra Gul
    9. Saeed Ajmal
    10. Aamir
    11. Danish

    How pathetic that they will sideline a specialist opener, Khurram Manzoor, to give Malik a chance in the playing XI. They always talk about the need for specialist openers in ODI and Tests, so that Akmal or Afridi can’t open and Fawad can’t play in the middle order. But in order to promote politics and protect Malik, they will do anything.

  139. #139 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 8:47 AM

    This is the scorecard for Pakistan vs SLC XI warm up game:
    http://www.cricinfo.com/slvpak2009/engine/current/match/403365.html

    Umar Gul is being rested and so is Malik. Faisal Iqbal and Fawad Alam have gone in as the 12th and 13th men respectively.

    So far only Kaneria and Rauf have been able to get wickets and it looks like this series will be another run-fest.

    I find it bizarre that for the Test match, 2 players who have question marks over their Test status, Malik and Razzaq, will be guaranteed a place but two able players who have shown they can excel in Test cricket, Fawad and Khurram, will be sidelined. This is politics at its worst.

  140. #140 by Q on June 29, 2009 - 8:53 AM

    Khansahab,

    Khurram will open in the test match. He will not be sidelined.

    I don’t think Malik will play either.. YK will go with either Faisal at 6 or Razzaq.

    If both Kaneria and Ajmal play, Razzaq will play at 6.. if 1 of them plays then Faisal will play at 6.

    In either case, I don’t think Malik will play.

  141. #141 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 9:10 AM

    Sayali Bhagat confirms she was not dating Shoaib Malik:

    Sayali Bhagat says it wasn’t Shoaib Malik

    Maybe a Hindi movie script! But then this is what keeps going on in B-town, especially for our lovely leading ladies. Sayali Bhagat spills the beans on her on-off relationships; and what role Shoaib Mallik, the cricketer from Pakistan, plays in her life.

    Very upset with the wrong media hype, Sayali says, “It’s funny. How I can break off with a person I was never seeing? It’s true that we met a couple of times on social occasions. But then that was it. It is so unfair when people wrongly write about you.” But then wasn’t it front page news that the two were dating? “Oh, yes it was, but I guess people just like to add spice till the aroma spreads. Problem was that they fail to understand that sometimes too much spice can get pungent and might cause trouble to people. Especially the person written about. Only I know the kind of mental trauma I underwent because of a misquoted report.” So the real scene was… “All the stories were falsely woven, for reasons best known to the people who did it, but the person who suffered was me. In fact, I was actually dating someone else at that point of time. Let aside the social stature, my personal life went for a toss. I had a bad break-off with my then boyfriend thanks to this report; and it was NOT Shoaib Mallik. He wasn’t even someone from the industry! My career was affected as I wasn’t in the correct frame of mind to work. I went through a traumatic phase.” She continues, “Why don’t people see the work that I’m doing and appreciate that, rather than indulge into rumours and gossip. Even criticism is welcome, but not misinformation.”

    Currently, Sayali has managed to gather herself out of all the trauma she underwent. Kirkit and Paritosh Painter’s Paying Guest are the two movies that have released this month. In fact she breaks away from the glam-doll image that she had made for herself so far, in both the movies. In Kirkit, there was a slight grey shade to her character while in Paying Guest, which is an adaptation from the play of the same name, she did a straight-faced comic role. Experimenting more with the comic genre, Sayali has another comedy called Chalu Movies Inc. She has also signed Wilson Louis’ horror film, Shout. She says, “Working is very therapeutic for me as it has helped me overcome most of my mental trauma and look in a positive direction. So, consciously I try and keep my hands absolutely full.”

  142. #142 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 9:34 AM

    Younis is giving maximum overs to Kaneria and Ajmal. He also wants Rauf to get into form.

    I think he is recognising that the people likely to bring him wickets are Rauf, Gul, Aamer and Kaneria. Pakistan is playing 4 specialist bowlers in this warm up and already the signs are showing that this is not enough. So whether Malik or Razzaq play or not, I would urge Younis to use 5 specialists. I know it weakens the batting, but there is no point trying to strengthen your batting if you are not able to get the other side’s batsmen out.

    It would be ideal to play a specialist, proper batsman like Fawad Alam and not play Malik and Razzaq. In this way Younis can kill two birds with one stone, the batting will be strengthened and they will be able to play 5 specialist bowlers.

  143. #143 by Q on June 29, 2009 - 9:36 AM

    5 specialist bowlers makes sense Khansahab..

    I would go with this XI:

    Butt
    Khurram
    Younis
    Yousuf
    Misbah
    Razzaq
    Akmal
    Gul
    Kaneria
    Aamer
    Ajmal

  144. #144 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 9:41 AM

    Q

    I don’t classify Razzaq as a specialist Test bowler. Either you need accuracy, excellent swing control or pace, and Razzaq has neither.

    That is why I would go with:

    Butt
    Akmal/Manzoor
    Younis
    Yousuf
    Misbah
    Fawad/Akmal
    Gul
    Ajmal
    Aamer
    Rauf
    Kaneria

    It is much more likely they will go with your line up, because Razzaq and to a large extent, Malik, are automatic selections. I have a feeling Malik will open with Butt- Younis made it clear in the T20 Cup that he will not drop Malik, Afridi or Misbah because he is afraid of being unpopular.

    It Malik is dropped it will prove that he is not an automatic Test selection and it will also prove that the only reason he was playing Tests under his captaincy, was because he was captain.

  145. #145 by Q on June 29, 2009 - 9:46 AM

    I don’t think Malik or Akmal will open because YK has said many times that he wants specialist openers for tests.

    Opening with Akmal is also not a good idea cos he will have to keep for a long time as well given that there will be batting wickets…

    I agree abt Razzaq not being a specialist bowler but having him there gives YK the option for a 3rd seamer which he won’t have if he plays both Kaneria and Ajmal…

  146. #146 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 9:56 AM

    Well if Akmal can’t open then Manzoor or Malik will. If I was Younis I would leave Razzaq out and play all the 5 specialists in the squad- 2 spinners, Rauf, Aamer and Gul. Having Razzaq there weakens the bolwing, the batting and the fielding.
    I said earlier that in the past it was normal to go with 5 specialist bowlers. That produced more results. Pakistan should focus on being aggressive and producing results. Poeple don’t realise that using only 4 specialists has led to Test cricket producing more boring draws and becoming unpopular.

    Fine if you had the bowling line up of South Africa or Australia then it might not be necessary.

  147. #147 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 10:53 AM

    It has rained again in Sri Lanka where the match is being played. Fawad Alam just got the wicket of the centurion who was playing the Pakistani bowlers very confidently. Kaneria got a wicket but he has leaked runs otherwise. Ajmal has been ineffective.

  148. #148 by Salman Khan on June 29, 2009 - 11:25 AM

    Javed,

    is it me , or is it the first time you have accepted Tendulkar’s mastery??

  149. #149 by Farhan Khan Galzie on June 29, 2009 - 11:52 AM

    Dear Khan Sahab,

    firstly, wadda hell is ur real name? R U one of the pre-independence Nawabs who cannot bear to get sahab off their name? Grow up , Sahab !!

    U say Pakistan
    1) Is the world’s 9th largest English speaking country
    2) Has the world’s 7th largest pool of scientists and engineers
    3) Is the 7th nuclear power of the world
    4) Has the 7th largest Armed Forces in the world

    U R the only non English speaking person who is proud to be English speaking. Angrez chale gaye lekin Angrezi nahi chooti, LOL.

    And U R the 7th Nuclear Power because of Chest thumping Neanderthal Generals & a meandering AQ Khan who will put Mata Hari to shame . U think this is the pathway to salvation , what a waste of a nation.

    Patel was stupid , he should have gone beyond Kashmir.

  150. #150 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 29, 2009 - 12:17 PM

    Doc Salman; I never said Tendulkar is a bad player or his technique is bad. But, I have always said that Tendulkar plays for himself and less for his team. The proof is even when he scores big the Indian team is on the losing side. Even he himself has acknowledge a few times that my big innings are good if my country wins. I can quote numerous examples where he played big but India lost.

    Although in yesterday’s match Dhoni scored big yet India lost but, he did not play selfishly he had enough time to score a century but he got out on 95 as he wanted to cross that psychological 200 mark. Anyways, in Pakistan we have Malik who plays for himself but, he is not Tendulkar. May be we can call him Onedulkar Malik? 😀

  151. #151 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 12:34 PM

    Farhan Khan Galzie

    I don’t want strangers to know my first name. What is wrong with that? My surname is “Khan” or “Khan Yousufzai”, if that helps.

    Actually I am not “non-English speaking”. I have grown up in an environment where I was speaking English at school and at home. So English has always been like my first language. And I am not proud of it personally, but it is an indicator of personal, social and economic development. Someone who can speak English well knows more than someone who can’t, everything else being equal. So if Pakistan is the 9th largest English speaking country in the world, it is an indicator that it is not a failed state (amongst other things). If you look at the African countries you have compared Pakistan with, you will find enormous differences between them and Pakistan.

    Being a nuclear power is not a pathway to salvation. However, it does make others fear you or at least acknowledge your ability to inflict considerable damage upon them in a time of conflict. Again, that is perhaps not an attitude one would have against a “failed state”.

  152. #152 by JAVED A. KHAN on June 29, 2009 - 12:47 PM

    Farhan Khan Galzie

    On blogs and chat sites it is not obligatory to use your real name, that is why people call it a nick name or a screen name. So, don’t get too upset because it is not a new or a unique thing. khansahab has explained this before on this blog and even on PakSpin why he uses this name? His Dad calls him by this name, any problem? Aur naam may kya rukkha hai?

    To any reader who read your comments, it seems like you are venting frustration and it is your first nature. There are some people who are once bitten twice shy aur kuch aisay hotay hain jinko ishq nay nikkama ker diya and they cannot bear the rejection and they try to label everyone with their biases and prejudice. You get my drift?

    Munir asked you if you have a Bangladeshi Boss? I might ask you a different question. Kya kisi Bangladeshi larki nay reject ker diya? And now you are lapay-toe-ing even Pakistanis, then I will ask you the same question again? Never mind, hota hai yae apki Jawani ki Hawa hai. But, you will come to terms with life soon.

    I agree with you that, Patel was really stupid
    and he was the mastermind behind everything, including FREE INDIA MOVEMENT and in bringing Gandhi from SA and also for using Nehru. Hence, that is your kismet and your destiny and it is your frustration since 1947 that you have to live with it for the rest of your lives and for generations to come.

    Abdul Qadir Khan had the brains to build a NB for Pakistan never mind how he got the raw material whereas, the Indian government and their scientists borrowed the whole plant from Canada by telling lies to Canadian government that they shall be using it for producing electricity and for other peaceful purposes. The then Prime Minister of Canada knew about their intentions because the third plant that was borrowed from Canada was for the enrichment of uranium and for making nuclear fuel that is used for making bombs.

    If you don’t know the history then read it. Or, at least watch the three part (3 hours long) documentary that is available on CBC television in which Canada for the first time has apologized to its countrymen for getting involved in this nuclear race in the Indian sub-continent because of its Prime Minister.

    If you think Pakistan is a waste of nation because Dr A. Q. Khan ko dekh ker Mata Hari sharma gayee aur chup kay say taangay utha dee now, you decide which nation is wasted? All Pakistanis not only feel but, they openly say that Pakistan is still surviving because they are a nuclear power otherwise Patel’s disciples would have gone beyond Kashmir and may not have even burped. My dear Galzie Sahab, Pakistan will never use it as an aggressor, it is only a deterrent for Mata Hari.

  153. #153 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 1:18 PM

    LOL What happened to Cricinfo bulletins?

    Pakistan made to toil in tour opener

    Cricinfo staff

    June 29, 2009

    Pakistan began their tour of Sri Lanka the hard way as a defiant Sri Lanka Cricket XI ended at 278 for 3 on the first day of their three-day practice match. Lahiru Thirimanne and Chamara Kapugedera put on 170 for the third wicket on a rain-interrupted day at the Colts Cricket Club ground in Colombo.

    SLC XI, who chose to bat, lost opener Tharanga Paranavitana with the score on 27. That brought in Thrimanne, who along with Upul Tharanga – who hit a half-century – added 78 for the second wicket.

    Tharanga was dismissed by legspinner Danish Kaneria, and Paranavitana was joined by Kapudegera. The two feasted off an attack that included Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Aamer and Kaneria. Though Pakistan captain Younis Khan employed seven bowlers, they had little effect on the rampaging batsmen and at stumps the day’s honours went to the home side.

  154. #154 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 4:21 PM

    Struggling Malik may open

    Karachi: Six months after being dumped as Pakistan captain, senior all-rounder Shoaib Malik is struggling to keep his place in Pakistan’s Test line-up.

    According to sources, Pakistan team management is finding it increasingly difficult to offer Malik a place in the playing line-up as a genuine all-rounder and might play him as an opener in the first Test against Sri Lanka starting in Galle from July 4.

    The return of senior batsman Mohammad Yousuf in the middle-order has also caused more problems for Malik. Yousuf was recalled in the Test squad after he broke ties with the rebel Indian Cricket League (ICL) earlier this summer.

    Interestingly, it was after Malik’s ascent as Pakistan captain after the 2007 World Cup that Yousuf was ‘forced’ to leave national duty.

    Yousuf defected to the ICL and later blamed Malik for treating senior players shabbily. Yousuf had claimed that it was because of Malik’s behaviour that he was forced to switch allegiance to the ICL.

    Sources said that the Pakistan team management will offer Malik to open the innings with Salman Butt. Malik has opened the innings in the past and has a good track record playing up the order in Sri Lanka.

    On the 2006 tour of Sri Lanka, Malik played a match-saving knock of 148 – his career-best as Pakistan won the Test series.

    Pakistan seems all set to give Test caps to rookie pacer Mohammad Aamer and off-spinner Saeed Ajmal. The duo performed well in the ICC World Twenty20 in England where Pakistan beat Sri Lanka in the final.

  155. #155 by khansahab on June 29, 2009 - 6:12 PM

    Omer

    I agree he is not a Test level player. But I would rather see him open than see him bat in the middle order in Tests. Letting him bat in the middle order is like giving too much respect to his limited calibre. It is for players like Younis and Yousuf.

    But I agree with you that a specialist opener with decent temperament should be tried instead. I will not go with Ahmed Shahzad because he seems too keen to hit the ball in the air. Khurram Manzoor is good and maybe Nasir Jamshed, who is good at clearing the fielders when he hits.

    And yes it’s definitely a joke to make him an opener just so that he can form part of the playing XI. This is like getting a player in by hook or crook, otherwise known as favouritism.

  156. #156 by JAVED A KHAN on June 29, 2009 - 8:24 PM

    PAKISTAN / SRI LANKA series has just started the NEW THREAD needs your attention please contribute your views over there.

    Thank you.

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