YET ANOTHER NEW LOW FOR PAKISTAN CRICKET

Pakistan lost the Test series quite humiliatingly and then they lost the ODI series too. It might have been fascinating for some individuals to see Pakistan garner some pride at the end of the ODI series, however to the routine observer, nothing new was seen from Pakistan. Pakistan may have won the last 2 ODI’s convincingly, but there was no consistency in their performance and they only proved the point that they perform when they are pushed to the brink or when there is a question mark over the selection of some senior players.

Misbah is a loser and we would love to see his back

Misbah is a loser and we would love to see his back

Waqar Younis was asked what happened in the last 2 ODI’s and he actually spoke bluntly about the issue, and hinted that some players were under the verge of being dropped and they had to perform. Of course, he was talking about Misbah ul Haq. Ever since the series against India during which Misbah was Pakistan’s best batsman, Misbah seems to have lost his touch. He looks lazy on the field and appears to be uninterested in ensuring Pakistan fights and retains some pride. Indeed he appears to be playing for himself only. He underperformed in the ODI series against Australia, but then he played a good knock in the final ODI and remained not out, which catapulted his average into the 40s. He then had a poor T20 tournament, although it is accepted he did not get many chances to bat. But after his performance in this ODI series where he only played for himself, PCB should definitely drop him permanently. But the way things work in Pakistan, Misbah is being hailed as a good batsman again and his selection for the Champions Trophy next month is definitely on the cards. If the PCB can’t discern this pattern whereby some players only play for themselves and don’t support the captain, then the selectors might as well consider them automatic selections. Why did the management drop Malik and Misbah a few times in this ODI series if it keeps giving them chances like these to play selfishly and cement their places in the team? It is so obvious from the way Misbah played that he was only interested in remaining not out, in the 5th ODI. His strike rate was almost 100 when he came out to bat, but dropped into the 80s when he was on 40, because he only wanted to reach his 50. And then he could never improve his strike rate towards the end. It was pathetic to see Misbah blocking the balls and running singles when the time had come to slog.

Another loser is Shoaib Malik, who was dropped after 3 failures. Malik only made 21 runs in 3 matches and his

Any fair and rational person would want Malik to be dropped. However, his selection for the Champions Trophy is also very much on the cards

Any fair and rational person would want Malik to be dropped. However, his selection for the Champions Trophy is also very much on the cards

 bowling also made no impact. Malik appears so clueless against the new ball that you wonder why he plays international cricket. It is accepted that all Pakistani batsmen, to some extent or the other, struggle to play the moving ball but Malik appears especially vulnerable. Why is the selection committee so blind that they can’t see he is a nothing player who makes no meaningful contribution and plays selfishly? How many potential Umer Akmals and Fawad Alams must have been destroyed by the PCB in order to retain Shoaib Malik!

Younis Khan is under fire, but just how much respect and authority he commands is questionable

Younis Khan is under fire, but just how much respect and authority he commands is questionable

Although Malik and Misbah are the main problems in the Pakistan side, Younis Khan does not make a solid impression as captain. Younis failed on the seaming tracks of Dambulla but his performance was better on the flatter Colombo pitches. Younis has made some unforgivable errors in captaincy, such as using a spinner to bowl in Powerplays in the last few overs of an innings. It is debated how much authority Younis actually has. Whereas the PCB reports that Younis has considerable authority, Younis himself has given statements to the media where he is clearly unhappy with some players in the team and he has also complained of too much interference from the coach, the manager and the vice captain. Younis did play two outstanding knocks in the final 2 ODI’s and he showed fighting spirit. He was easily Pakistan’s best batsman in this series.

Young Umer Akmal also performed commendably. Unlike his team mate Fawad

One would hope Umer Akmal will permanently replace either one of Malik or Misbah

One would hope Umer Akmal will permanently replace either one of Malik or Misbah

 Alam, Umer was lucky to have been called to the international stage at such a young age. However, Umer showed a lot of panache and character when he made his century. It seems Malik and Misbah don’t mind Umer Akmal as much. They vehemently opposed Fawad Alam’s inclusion when Fawad’s introduction on the international arena was being considered. One wonders why?
Speaking of Fawad Alam, he had a disappointing series. Although showing some mettle in the 1st ODI when he was Pakistan’s top scorer amongst all recognised batsman, Fawad looked clueless in the next 2 games. Still, it was unfair to drop him after only 2 bad games. It seemed the management did not want to isolate the underperforming Malik, so Fawad was also made a victim of this agenda. Fawad should never bank on having support from the seniors or having some kind of permanent position in the team because of his background. He needs to perform like Miandad if he wants to stay. Otherwise, he will disappear into oblivion like Asim Kamal.

Bowling wise Pakistan was better. Aamer and Ajmal were Pakistan’s best bowlers and one would hope Aamer is not burned out. Rana and Rao bowled well in patches. Pakistan was pathetic on this tour because of its batting, so the bowling will not be considered any further. 

This is definitely another new low in Pakistan cricket. Malik and Misbah are ruining team spirit and underperforming. However, this series has also exposed how fragile Pakistani batsmen are on seaming tracks. With two able batsmen in the side, U Akmal and Alam, it would have made a lot of sense to drop Malik and Misbah and persist with those two. However, it is already being reported that Malik and Misbah will make into the Champions Trophy squad. The PCB has learned nothing and this tour of Sri Lanka proved to be a waste of time. The team management seems to have a different agenda to seeing the players develop and seeing more fighting spirit from the players. What else can explain the constant selection of Malik and Misbah in the Pakistan team? It is very likely that the Pakistan team will underperform in the Champions Trophy.

A bunch of losers

A bunch of losers

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  1. #1 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 12:16 PM

    I’m available for openers’ coaching: Saeed Anwar

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    NAWABSHAH: World record holder and former opening batsman Saeed Anwar said that there is no truth in the charges of match fixing on the Pakistan team but harmony is badly needed in the team.

    Talking with journalists at the Press Club during his four-day tableeghi tour of Nawabshah, Saeed Anwar said that young Pakistan cricketers have great talent but they need training.

    He said that if differences take place between the captain and the players then problems would be enhanced and Pakistan may get a bad name.

    Saeed Anwar said that availability of good openers is a key to success of the teams and the Pakistan Cricket Board should focus on it.

    He said that he is available if his services are required in this regard.

    Saeed said that the Pakistan-India tension may be eliminated through cricket.

  2. #2 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 12:21 PM

    Varun

    What you have said on the previous thread regarding Malik and Misbah is sensible. With his MBA and another degree in Chemistry or something (many people don’t know this) and aloof demeanour Misbah sometimes looks like he is a different kind to Malik, but they are very good friends. In fact it was revealed in a TV show that Malik’s best friends in the team are Misbah and Butt.

    I am really annoyed with Misbah because ever since he was promoted to vice captain his commitment looks zilch and he only performs when his place in the team is on the line.

    Since you are a regular visitor on LS and know about Pakistan etc, I won’t call you an “outsider” but I agree with your analysis on Malik. Unfortunately it’s a fact many “insider” Pakistanis still want Malik to be in the team and they in fact want him to be the captain again.

  3. #3 by Awas on August 11, 2009 - 12:46 PM

    It seems Malik and Misbah don’t mind Umer Akmal as much. They vehemently opposed Fawad Alam’s inclusion when Fawad’s introduction on the international arena was being considered”.

    khansahab, is that just a feeling or a downright fact? The two culprits are neither captain nor selectors and not management either. So, their minding or not minding the selection of others is a mute point. Instead, if they themselves keep getting picked up, I would just call them very lucky.

    My belief is always, as I have said before, if some players are deliberately underperforming then they are damaging their own chances not enhancing them by any means. The fact of the matter is you cement your place in the team by playing well not by underperforming. As was seen even someone like M Yousaf can get dropped for not playing well.

    The fact is also that Misbah and Malik are merely mediocre players not good enough for international cricket. Due to poor form Malik was rightly dropped in the last couple of ODI’s and so should have been Misbah.

    As I said before, as batting was the main problem the two batsmen they should have persisted with in every match should have been M Yousaf and Fawad Alam as there is always a chance they can score big. So, there was definitely some diabolical decision making but that comes down to management and captain not Malik and Misbah.

  4. #4 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 12:52 PM

    Awas

    When I say “underperforming”, I don’t necessarily mean, “deliberate underperformance”. Saying Malik is deliberately underperforming makes it seem like he is capable of performing better- which he might be. I might slightly disagree here with Javed A Khan. I think Malik definitely wants to play in the team and he obviously wants to become captain again, so I don’t think he is underperforming deliberately.
    However, at the same time neither him nor Misbah want Younis to be captain. And I think they do want to take some kind of revenge, but not at the expense of potentially ruining their chances of remaining in the team.

    Where I might slightly disagree with you, is that I think there is a grouping that wants to play selfishly only and ruin team spirit. And Malik/Misbah are at the forefront of that grouping but they don’t want their own performances to be affected. Malik was just unlucky that he failed against the new ball which he has never been able to play. But if he was coming much lower down the order he would have made more runs, but his gameplay would have been selfish like Misbah’s. So they might not be deliberately underperforming to potentially ruin their own chances of playing, but I feel they are definitely underperforming when it comes to playing for the country, showing loyalty to the captain and teammates.

  5. #5 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 1:11 PM

    Awas

    Say if Malik was deliberately throwing his wicket away. If his objective is to ruin team spirit and ensure Pakistan loses, he will have succeeded in that objective. That is because, he played 3 matches, did not perform and he was dropped.

    Pakistan already lost the series. So him not being in the side, could not mean that Pakistan could potentially win the series.
    Plus, how has that affected Malik’s career? Malik has a huge clout and tremendous public support. He is likely to play in tomorrow’s T20 and also in the Champions Trophy.

    So, even if he was deliberately underperforming, his career will not be affected. Only the captain’s credibility has been affected, as well as the team spirit and the country’s reputation. But Malik is not concerned about these factors.

  6. #6 by Awas on August 11, 2009 - 1:12 PM

    khansahab

    humm…I agree with your views here albiet some 🙂

  7. #7 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 1:14 PM

    Rameez advises some national players to retire

    PTI 11 August 2009, 03:48pm IST

    KARACHI: Former Pakistan captain Rameez Raja has advised some of the national team players to say goodbye to international cricket themselves
    rather then being dropped after their dismal performance in Sri Lanka.

    Without taking names, Rameez said some players must themselves set a good precedent and leave international cricket to allow younger players to fill in their boots.
    “I think it is time for the selectors and team management to have a look at the available players and decide which players will be around and useful to the team in the next five to six years,” he said.

    With the 2011 World Cup also coming up, the former opener said the selectors need to start replacing players who had only one or two years of cricket left in them.
    He said it was a good that Pakistan ended Sri Lanka tour with two big wins in the One-day series.

    “The wins would definitely raise the morale of the team keeping in mind we have the Champions Trophy next month in South Africa. But a lot of hard work is needed to ensure the team performs consistently from here on,” Rameez said.

    Rameez also lashed out at former players for claiming that some players had contacts with Indian bookies in Colombo.

    “If anything, I think the players need to be given a pat on their backs and appreciated for immediately bringing to the notice of the team management invitations from strangers which is unusual and not allowed by the ICC,” he said.

  8. #8 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 1:15 PM

    Ramiz should be advised that if anyone should retire it should be Misbah and Malik.

  9. #9 by Awas on August 11, 2009 - 1:17 PM

    khansahab

    In the third ODI even Yousaf was dropped but then they realised he is definitely “a keep” because of our batting woos (or they must have read my comment 🙂 ). If Yousaf can be dropped, I don’t think Malik’s place in the Champions Trophy is a done deal.

  10. #10 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 1:42 PM

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/04-police-register-case-against-musharraf-qs-09

    Representative of Islamabad police, Hakam Khan says Musharraf will be arrested if he returns to Pakastan.

  11. #11 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 1:49 PM

    PCB’s chief operating officer set to be sacked

    PTI 11 August 2009, 02:36pm IST

    KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Board’s chief operating officer Saleem Altaf is all set to be sacked at the PCB’s next Governing Council meeting after
    a bitter fallout with Board Chairman Ejaz Butt.

    Sources close to Altaf confirmed that the former Test player was also aware of such a possibility at the meeting on Thursday.

    “Yes it is true that Butt will ask the Governing council members to change the COO in Karachi as he is not happy with the fact that Altaf has started questioning his decisions,” one source confirmed.

    He said relations between Butt and Altaf have soured in recent days.

    “Altaf was unhappy that no file was moving forward in the board as Butt refused to listen to either him or other senior officials,” the source said.

    When contacted, Altaf said that he was aware that Butt wanted to replace him as COO. “If the governing council members want to do this I have no objections,” Altaf said.

    Sources close to Altaf said he has started efforts to save his position.

    Butt,on the other hand, played down the issue claiming he was not aware of any such move to remove Altaf.

    “I don’t know. You should ask the director HR, he would know,” Butt said.

  12. #12 by Awas on August 11, 2009 - 4:22 PM

    Good riddance…at last!

  13. #13 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    Disappointed Younis shuns media on home coming

    Karachi, Aug 11 (PTI) Apparently disappointed at the negative media reports during their unsuccessful tour of Sri Lanka, Pakistan captain Younis Khan today refused to talk to the journalists gathered at the Karachi airport awaiting his return home.

    “I don’t want to make any comments now, we will talk later,” said a tired looking Younis as he left the airport.

    Pakistan for the first time lost the Test and one-day series in Sri Lanka under Younis’ captaincy.

    Sources close to the Pakistan captain was unhappy with the negative reporting of the media which didn’t help the team’s cause in Sri Lanka.

    “He is not happy at the way the media highlight certain negative issues and turn the players into villains from heroes in just a few days time,” said one source close to Younis.

  14. #14 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 7:56 PM

    Omer

    I am agree with you. Tomorrow we will probably see both Malik and Misbah but other than that, your team looks OK. May I suggest Shahzaib Hassan there as well? Maybe to occupy your empty slot. He can make 20-25 runs consistently. Plus he showed he can hit straight.

    It is very unlikely Ahmed Shahzad will ever bat other than as opener, because that is his expertise. But I understand why you want him to be in the team.

    I would slightly change the order to this one:

    Nazir (attacker)
    Shahzaib Hassan/Nasir Jamshed (both hitters)
    Kamran Akmal (consolidator and attacker)
    Umer Akmal (consolidator and attacker)
    Afridi (consolidator and attacker)
    Alam (consolidator)
    Shahzad (consolidator)
    Razzaq (attacker)
    Gul
    Aamer
    Ajmal

    I also feel since Afridi is the captain he is more likely to bat between no 4-6.

  15. #15 by khansahab on August 11, 2009 - 8:14 PM

    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5295541/13965475

    Some super shots from Shahzaib Hasan.

  16. #16 by Awas on August 11, 2009 - 8:26 PM

    The most exciting thing about tomorrow’s match is Afridi playing as captain.

    My hunch is that Malik will not make it in the final eleven. That should give chance to another youngster to shine.

    Younus did the honourable thing and left early and did not shadow Afridi. Some lesser men have been prone to remain until the whole team leaves

  17. #17 by M. Y. Kasim. on August 12, 2009 - 12:35 AM

    I hope out of “seven jewels of selection commitee” one would have read and noted the names of the youngsters I mentioned in my last post.

    It looks like they dont have enough time or care to go out in these hot and humid weather and prefer to sit in their Air-conditioned rooms and take orders and intakes from the Senators and influantial high-ups whom to select or not to select.

    Young and talented players are waiting for a chance while tried and failed mediocre ones are selected again and again just because they have a clout. What a shame!!

    If I can help, I will discard all the non-performimng players and replace them with these:

    1. Umer Amin
    2. Ahmed Shehzad
    3. Azhar Ali
    4. Mohammad Talha
    5. Wahab Riaz

    And retain the following:

    1. Younus Khan
    2. Mohammad Yousuf
    3. Shahid Afridi
    4. Kamran Akmal
    5. Umer Akmal
    6. Umer Gul
    7. Fawad Alam
    8. Saeed Ajmal
    9. Mohammad Aamer
    10.Imran Nazir

    These 15, in my view are the best available talent in the country and cater for the future as well and can be adjusted as need be to form a formidable team.

    Plus we have Sohail Khan, Fahad Masood and Irfan Khan as fast bowlers and Yasir Shah and Tahir (I forgot his name) as spinners and few more batsmen coming up whome we must keep an eye on and keep encouraging not ignoring as is our wont.

    That is the way forward.

  18. #18 by M. Y. Kasim. on August 12, 2009 - 12:52 AM

    His full name name is Tahir Mahmood and he is an Off-spinner.

    Another batsman I forgot to mention is Khurram Manzoor who has impressed me a lot despite Wasim Akram and Ramiz Raja’s criticism of his technique!!!!!!!

    They are the EXPERTS … I am NOT.

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 12:57 AM

    First of all the team that I have mentioned is NOT the ideal team I want. I said, this would be the team, the coach and manager would like to impose on Shahid Afridi and it is very likely that it will be that team.

    The only reason I did not mention Umar Gul’s name in the team is because, I thought he is not fit, or is he? In that case Rana goes out from that team and Gul comes in. But, they would like to retain Rana in the team because of his 4 wickets and 33 runs in the last ODI, hence the escape goat is Fawad Alam.

    Secondly, the reason I have put Malik and Misbah’s name is, the coach and manager plus the PCB lobby in Pakistan would want both of them to play in the T20 and for Afridi, if he drops Malik, people will say he took his revenge in the first match. Although, it is the best time to make him sit on the bench because, he was dropped in the previous two ODIs on the basis of poor performance – an average of 7 in three matches – so there is no better time than this to keep him out of the T20 team as well. But, his supporters and fans will not look at it this way, they will say Afridi took his revenge and dropped Malik.

    Shahzaib Hassan Khan, is he in the squad or not? I dunno, I have not followed the news about who is in for the T20 game. So, if he is not in the squad then obviously he will not be in the team.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 4:23 AM

    Cricinfo review on tomorrow’s T20

    Sri Lanka’s famously unorthodox outfit were unstoppable at the World Twenty20 in June until they ran into a fired-up Pakistan in the final. Since then, Kumar Sangakkara’s men have shown their superiority over Pakistan in the Tests and one-dayers. So a win in the Wednesday’s Twenty20 will be revenge as well as icing on the cake.

    Both sides are missing key players from their World Twenty20 campaigns: Tillakaratne Dilshan, the most inventive and effective of Sri Lanka’s batsmen in England, is injured, as is fast bowler Umar Gul, whose reverse-swing confounded Pakistan’s opponents. Pakistan will miss the services of Abdul Razzaq too. Also, the form of two of Sri Lanka’s bowling stars, Ajantha Mendis and Lasith Malinga, has nosedived alarmingly.

    Batting has been Pakistan’s weakness on this tour but when it comes to Twenty20s, they are bursting with firepower. The emergence of Umar Akmal and the return of Nasir Jamshed and Imran Nazir gives their new captain, Shahid Afridi, plenty of big-hitters to choose from.

    Despite defeats in the Tests and the first three ODIs, Pakistan will be confident after pulling off two straight one-day wins, particularly because of the dramatic failure of Sri Lanka’s batting in those games.

    Watch out for…

    Shahid Afridi will have a lot to live up to following the World Twenty20 triumph, and the entire focus will be on how he handles the captaincy. Having scored fifties in his last two games, he will be looking to repeat his Man-of-the-Match performance in the World Twenty20 final in England.

    Pakistan’s smash hits: Umar Akmal showed what a destructive force he could be, smashing 102 off 72 balls in the fourth ODI in Colombo. He is very nearly a lookalike of his brother Kamran, and the two will look to make merry in the shortest format. With big-hitter Nazir also in contention, a breezy start for Pakistan is all but ensured.

    The Sri Lanka pace duo of Nuwan Kulasekara and Thilan Thushara may have other plans, though. While Kulasekara topped the bowling charts in the three Tests with 17 wickets at 15.05, Thushara had the biggest haul in the ODIs with nine from four matches at 20.22. The hosts will look for an encore from the two Man of the Series respectively.

    Team news

    The vacancy created by Younis should be filled by Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf standing an outside chance to make his Twenty20 comeback. Nazir should walk into the opening role, given Shahzaib Hasan, who opened in World Twenty20, has not been picked in the squad. Naved-ul-Hasan and Iftikhar Anjum should make up for the absence of Gul and Razzaq.

    Pakistan: (probable) 1 Kamran Akmal (wk), 2 Imran Nazir, 3 Shoaib Malik, 4 Misbah-ul-Haq, 5 Umar Akmal, 6 Fawad Alam, 7 Shahid Afridi (capt), 8 Naved-ul-Hasan, 9 Saeed Ajmal, 10 Mohammad Aamer, 11 Iftikhar Anjum.

    The fifth bowler’s slot remained a worry for Sri Lanka during their defeats in the ODIs. With left-arm medium-pacer Isuru Udana in the mix, the problem should be sorted out with either Malinga Bandara or Ajantha Mendis making way. It will also be interesting to see whether the opening combination of Sanath Jayasuriya and Upul Tharanga is tinkered with, to draft in the new inclusion, Mahela Udawatte.

    Sri Lanka: (probable) 1 Upul Tharanga, 2 Sanath Jayasuriya, 3 Kumar Sangakkara (capt/wk), 4 Mahela Jayawardene, 5 Chamara Kapugedera, 6 Angelo Mathews, 7 Thilina Kandamby, 8 Muttiah Muralitharan, 9 Thilan Thushara, 10 Isuru Udana/Malinga Bandara/Ajantha Mendis, 11 Nuwan Kulasekara.

    Weather and conditions

    The forecast of scattered thunderstorms is similar to the fifth ODI where there wasn’t a drop of rain. The venue is the same so expect the side winning the toss to bat. Chasing under lights has always been very difficult at the Premadasa.

    Stats & trivia

    * Shahid Afridi, at 5.74 an over, is one of only four bowlers who have played 10 Twenty20 internationals or more and have maintained an economy-rate of less than six. The other three are also in Sri Lanka currently: Ajantha Mendis, Umar Gul and Daniel Vettori.

    * Shoaib Malik, with 527 runs, is third on the all-time run-getters’ list in Twenty20 internationals.
    He is set to overtake No. 2 Kevin Pietersen (529) while Brendon McCullum has a healthy lead with 689 runs.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 4:27 AM

    My team selection is not different from cricinfo.

    The reason Malik is in because Younus Khan is out, secondly Malik is the third and could be the second highest run getter in the world in the T20 format and Afridi won’t drop him. Between Yousuf and Misbah, the later will definitely get preference because of his proven performance.

    Gul and Razzaq are unfit so, Rao and Fawad Alam are in. Shahzaib Hasan Khan is not in the squad so there is no question of him playing. The team seems to be OK, IF they play well. So there is a big IF that will make the difference.

  22. #22 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 8:32 AM

    Hameed backs “talented” rookie Akmal to break his fastest 1000-run record

    London, Aug .12 (ANI): Applauding young batsman Umar Akmal for his brilliant performance in the just concluded Sri Lanka One-Day International series, Pakistan opener Yasir Hameed has said Akmal has the potential to be a world-class batsman and break his record of scoring 1000 one day runs in 24 innings.

    In an interview, Hameed described Akmal as a stylish and talented batsman.

    “He’s a very talented and stylish batsman.It took me 24 innings to reach 1000 one day runs which is the fastest for Pakistan, but I feel that Umar has the potential to break that record,” Hameed said.

    Hameed, who is currently playing league cricket in England, said Akmal could become an important player in the middle order.

    “Umar has all the attributes to become an important part of the Pakistan middle order and he already has 192 runs in only 4 innings, so he has every chance of beating my record,” he said.

    The overall record of scoring 1000 runs in the least number of innings is held by famous West Indian batsman Viv Richards, who took just 21 innings to achieve the feat. (ANI)

  23. #23 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 9:17 AM

    “More than half the team must be changed”

    “Pakistan’s performance in Sri Lanka has been absolutely disappointing and I feel that more than 70 per cent of the team should be changed,” said Qadir.

    He also agreed with the views of former Pakistan player Rameez Raja, who had advised that some of the national players must say bye to international cricket themselves rather then being dropped.

    The winners of the ICC World Twenty20 Championship – Pakistan, lost both the Test (2-0) as well as the one-day series (3-2) to Sri Lanka in the island nation.

    “After winning the Twenty20 World Cup, everybody expected Pakistan to come up with an excellent performance against Sri Lanka but they failed miserably in both Tests as well as the one-dayers. And that obviously has raised quite a few question marks in the minds of not only the former players but also the Pakistani public, in general.

    “The way they lost a few matches is also questionable. In the first Test, they faltered when only 100 runs were left for victory, then they lost a match in three days. Again in the one-dayers, they lost three games in a row. So, the performance of the team as a whole must to be addressed,” said the former player.

    Qadir, however, expressed optimism that Pakistan’s bench strength is good enough to take on the world’s best cricketing teams.

    “When I was the national selector, I selected Mohammad Aamer, who is doing very well at the moment. And I can speak of at least 3-4 players, who can be considered as great prospects for the national team. So, if Pakistan team wants to do well in future and in the World Cup, then these youngsters should be brought in, instead of sticking to players, who have the reputation but are unable to match it with their performance in the middle.”

    Speaking highly of the new Twenty20 captain Shahid Afridi, Qadir said, “I suggested his name long time ago. Now that he has been made the T20 captain, I am sure he is going to do very well.”

    Qadir, meanwhile did u -turn to his earlier comments regarding some Pakistan players could have contact with suspected Indian bookmakers during the on-going Sri Lanka tour.

    He clarified, “Neither me nor any other former player made any such allegations. It (match-fixing allegation) all came from the team management itself. We got to know about all these allegations from the media. Hence, I had just said that if there is any kind of speculation then there should an inquiry into it. That’s all.”

    Qadir had earlier demanded Pakistan Cricket Board to hold an independent inquiry into the fixing accusations, for which he was criticized by the Board chairman Ejaz Butt and the Pakistan team coach Intikhab Alam.

    Qadir though maintained, “The Board must look into these allegations and if anyone is found guilty, he should be punished.”

  24. #24 by Awas on August 12, 2009 - 10:18 AM

    More than 70 percent” ???

    Well, as I said he is fast becoming a big mouth!!!

    No wonder Younus was so unhappy when he arrived back home with all the flak he is getting. After all, cricket is a team game, no one should put undue reliance on one or two individuals only.

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 12:11 PM

    no one should put undue reliance on one or two individuals only. Awas.

    Awas, you are right but, it is happening in most countries and especially now in the shorter version of the game that, only one or two players are making a big difference in winning for their countries by contributing either with the bat or ball or, both. When more than one player performs, there is always a thumping win for that team. If they win on consistent basis then that team dominates the world, like Australia did. Or, the mighty West Indies of the early eighties.

    As regards Umer Akmal’s batting, I have not seen him playing so I cannot comment whether he is stylish or not. But, throwing too much praise at this stage is dangerous for the player, it will get into his head and we have seen so many cases like Actor, Asaf, Tanvir etc. I was reading the quotes on cricinfo and Tanvir said, “If not more, I am worth at-least a million dollar.” LOL, look at him now, he is not worth a penny and is sitting out because of his sheer arrogance. Lady luck also deserted him when the UK authorities refused to give him the visa to play for his county. His 75,000 pound sterling contract went down the drain.

  26. #26 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 1:01 PM

    I will not resign over Sri Lanka defeats: Younus

    KARACHI: Pakistan captain Younus Khan accepts responsibility for historic Test and one-day defeats in Sri Lanka but is rejecting calls to resign, lashing out at his critics instead.

    Pakistan lost the three-Test series 2-0 with one match drawn, and went down 3-2 in the one-dayers, to post their first-ever series defeats in both forms of the game in Sri Lanka.

    Interviewed in Wednesday’s Jang newspaper, Younus said that as skipper, he accepted responsibility for the dismal showing.

    ‘I accept the responsibility of defeat, but will not apologise to anyone nor will I resign as captain because it’s part of the game to lose and win,’ he was quoted as saying.

    Younus, 31, is not part of the team playing the only Twenty20 match against Sri Lanka in Colombo on Wednesday, having resigned from the newest form of the game after guiding Pakistan to the World T20 title in England in June.

    Younus rounded on the campaign to oust him as captain.

    ‘I am trying my level best to lead the team and achieve the best results but some people want me to relinquish the captaincy, which I won’t. Am I not a good captain, or do I lack leadership qualities?’ he said.

    Former Pakistan players have launched a scathing attack on Younus, also demanding the head of coach Intikhab Alam, manager Yawar Saeed and Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) officials.

    Pakistan, needing 97 runs with eight wickets intact, lost the first Test at Galle by 50 runs. They were also well set at 285-1 in the second innings of the second Test in Colombo, before losing the match by seven wickets.

    Resignations should come from top to bottom after the humiliating defeats,’ former chief selector and international spinner Abdul Qadir said.

    Younus told Jang that the team’s success in the last two one-day matches showed it was able to win in Sri Lanka.

    ‘We won the last two one-day matches by huge margins, and it proved that the team had the capacity and the talent to win the Tests and one-day matches.’

    ‘But due to the batsmen’s inconsistency, we failed to finish properly,’ he said.

    Younus defended team unity after criticism from former players and the media.

    There were no differences in the team. In fact I can say that the team was never as united as it was during the Sri Lanka tour,’ Younus said, rejecting match-fixing allegations levelled against the team.

    ‘Baseless allegations are affecting the team’s performances,’ he said, after reports emerged of bookmakers trying to contact Pakistani players in their Colombo hotel during the Tests last month.

    ‘No one should doubt my integrity. I can never resort to any wrongdoing.’

    The PCB said it had reported the matter to the Anti-Corruption and Security Unit of the International Cricket Council, which gave the Pakistan team the all-clear after an investigation.

  27. #27 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 1:12 PM

    Strange Pakistan is going with 4 fast bowlers and 1 less batsman as a consequence- Fawad Alam.

    I don’t know why Fawad has been dropped? This team makes little sense to me. You don’t need 4 fast bowlers and 2 spinners in T20.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 1:15 PM

    I told you so!!! If Abdul Razzaq plays then Fawad Alam has no room, they did not want to drop Rana Nayee and Rao Ifti because of their recent performance in the ODI. The team is:

    Kamran Akmal†, Imran Nazir, Shoaib Malik, Misbah-ul-Haq, Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi*, Abdul Razzaq, Naved-ul-Hasan, Mohammad Aamer, Iftikhar Anjum, Saeed Ajmal

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 1:18 PM

    It is good to win the toss and bat first. They must go berserk because there is plenty of batting, they don’t need to play another Misbah innings here. There are at least 5 batsmen who can play at a strike rate of over 150 and they are Imran Nazir, Kamran Akmal, Shahid Afridi, Umer Akmal and Abdul Razzaq. So, they should not hesitate in hitting out from the word go.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 1:24 PM

    Reportedly the pitch is suitable for slow spinners, so Ajmal and Malik have more chances than Afridi. Only Murali is playing there is no Mendis or Bandara in SL slow bowling department, but Malinga is there with his yorkers.

    Experts are saying that playing in the floodlights is not easy at the Premadasa Stadium, so chasing 170-180 will not be that easy. Especially if Pakistan can get their openers (Jayasuriya) early.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 1:29 PM

    khansahab

    could you please post or email the streaming link. Thanks

  32. #32 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 1:32 PM

    http://www.crictime.com/server1.htm

    Javed A Khan

    These links are usually a pain.

    Anyway, Akmal gone first ball.

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 1:33 PM

    LOL Akmal first ball Duck

  34. #34 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 1:35 PM

    Malik is coming out to play the bowlers because he can’t play swing. How can the selectors keep this player who has to move forward a few steps to play swing? Surely there will be other batsmen who can play better?

  35. #35 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 1:41 PM

    Ramiz’s buttering of Malik has officially started,,,,

  36. #36 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 2:33 PM

    Ramiz showing his bias:

    “Umer Akmal has beaten Afridi at his own game…..” (in reference to strike rate).

    What’s the point of saying that? There is no competition. Afridi is the captain, he can’t slog every ball.

  37. #37 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 2:47 PM

    Afridi’s has been a genius’s knock. Ramiz may think Akmal outplayed Afridi, but Afridi has played a super calculated innings.

    Now he has reached his 50. Great player. All he needed was a promotion and some responsibility.

  38. #38 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 3:09 PM

    Misbah played a typical Misbah knock- 5 runs from 7 balls, and then he was not out too. He should have slogged from the first delivery but he does not play for the team. Rana, Rao and Aamer can all slog- why didn’t Misbah go for the bit hits right from the outset?

    It will improve his average considerably, and it will not help the team whatsoever.

    Malik and Akmal failed. Malik played an absolutely horrible shot.

    The 3 most important knocks were Afridi’s, U Akmal’s and Razzaq’s. Imran Nazir got 2 lifelines again- he always gets 2 or 3 every innings.

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 3:23 PM

    Malik, Misbah and Kamran Akmal’s total contribution is 19 runs or 6.33 a piece. Malik and Akmal threw away their wickets. Whereas, Afridi, Imran Nazir, Abdul Razzaq and Umer Akmal’s total contribution is 145 out of 172 or 84% of the total score.

    Misbah was lucky that he was dropped on the last ball to remain not out and say he was sent late. After all Abdul Razzaq also came late but was hitting fours. The way Misbah played defensive strokes was obvious that he was not inclined to score but, remain not out. He succeeded with the luck smiling at him on the last ball.

    Ramiz got verbal diarrhea and he cannot help but chant Punjabiism. Is there a point in saying “Umer Akmal has beaten Afridi at his own game…..” When Imran Nazir was playing, in the partnership of 23 runs Imran scored 20 runs and Afridi scored only 3 but, in the end he accelerated and strike rate went up to 135, we all know that Afridi can accelerate better than anyone if he stays at the crease longer. His ODI career strike rate never went down 100 and his T20 career strike rate is around 150, whereas Umer Akmal was on debut today and Ramiz Raja is oozing out feces from his mouth. What a stinking piece of shit he has become.

  40. #40 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 4:29 PM

    The body language of Pakistani players looks different under Afridi. They look energised and they’re all backing each other.
    This promotion should have come much earlier. He should also be captain in ODI’s and Tests.

  41. #41 by Awas on August 12, 2009 - 4:38 PM

    Afridi and Jammal seem to have put the brakes on. Required run rate has become over 13 now.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 4:51 PM

    Shahid Afridi will not only win the first T20 match under his captaincy but, he will also be the Man of the match, a good example leading from the front. Although Ajmal has taken 3 wickets but, it is Afridi who set the innings with his 50 runs and then his able captaincy plus, taking a wicket of his bowling at a very good economy rate and a good run out.

    Sri Lanka have to wait for a long time to think of avenging the WC defeat. The match is over now SL all out for 120, with Rana also taking 3 wickets in the end.

  43. #43 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 4:53 PM

    Pakistan need to start afresh without Malik and Misbah in the team. Under Afridi the team will do much better and Afridi himself will perform more responsibly.

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 4:58 PM

    From 100/4 Sri Lanka were all out for 120. And six wickets fell within 20 runs and within a space of only 25 balls. They played more like Pakistan played in the test series.

    Anyways, it is a good morale boosting win for Pakistan and Afridi. The last two ODI’s were also won by Pakistan and now this T20 to end the tour on a high note.

    The selectors need to see the negative roles of Malik and Misbah which is also effecting Kamran Akmal and he should realize that one Akmal comes in the other goes out. Sarfaraz might get into the squad for the Champions Trophy and may even get into the team. Kamran Akmal needs to perform with his bat or else he will be axed.

    Malik & Misbah needs a break, they must watch the champions trophy on TV from their living rooms. Bye, Bye Malik and Misbah.

  45. #45 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 5:09 PM

    Waqar, Ramiz- they both talk about Pakistan underperforming and Pakistan being the worse side on this tour. But why doesn’t anyone analyse which players should be blamed?
    Waqar talked about the two Tests Pakistan lost and he said that there was a collapse and the batsmen lost initiative etc, but why don’t they analyse whose job is was at those crucial times to bat responsibly? In both Tests it was Malik and Misbah who were batting at that crucial time and they both played pathetically.

  46. #46 by Awas on August 12, 2009 - 5:13 PM

    khansahab

    “The body language of Pakistani players looks different under Afridi”

    They generally play T20 better than any other cricket, that’s why they are champions in this format.

    Mind you, in the last two ODI’s the body language was different too that resulted in thumping wins. The fact of the matter is Pakistan is just a very indifferent team.

  47. #47 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 9:54 PM

    Saeed Anwar in line to be new Pakistan cricket coach

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    Karachi, Aug 12 (IANS) Former Pakistan Test batsman Saeed Anwar has emerged as a candidate to take over as the national team’s new coach.
    Anwar, a flamboyant left-handed batsman, Wednesday had a meeting with Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt in Lahore – a development that fuelled speculations that he might be appointed as Pakistan’s new coach, replacing Intikhab Alam following a disastrous tour of Sri Lanka. “The PCB chairman today had a discussion with former Test Captain Saeed Anwar regarding utilisation of his services for cricket. They will meet again in the coming week to discuss the plan in detail,” said a statement issued by the PCB on Wednesday.
    Butt, himself a former Test cricketer, said he is confident that Anwar will make significant contribution to Pakistan cricket.
    “I am thankful for Saeed’s encouraging response and his offer to assist PCB and Pakistan players. I am sure Saeed will be able to contribute a lot to Pakistan cricket.”
    According to sources, if the PCB decides against replacing Intikhab, Saeed could be appointed as Pakistan’s batting coach. A final decision is likely to be made next week.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 10:05 PM

    How Afridi as a captain created confidence in his mediocre bowler?

    When the going was good for Pakistan and the two openers were out, Rao Iftikhar was introduced and he gave away 14 runs in his first over and, Afridi could have changed the bowler but, he talked to Rao Iftikhar and gave him a pat on his shoulder and asked him to bowl the second over and in that over he got the wicket of Jayawardene. Although I don’t approve Rao’s mediocre bowling much but, it was a good comeback from him and that is mainly because his captain showed confidence in him.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 10:09 PM

    A hat-rick of MOM’s

    Shahid Afridi got a hat-rick of Man of the match awards since the semifinal of the T20 WC. And, on his debut as captain he scored a fifty and was also adjudged as Man Of the Match. He batted responsibly and bowled very tight, fielded well and led by example. He also encouraged Imran Nazir and Umer Akmal both and with Umer it was a pretty decent partnership of 66 runs. I am sure Malik and his supporters must be envious of him. Jalnay walay Jala kerain. 🙂

  50. #50 by khansahab on August 12, 2009 - 10:10 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I was thinking exactly that and I even wanted to write this on LS when Jayawerdene was out. He is a very positive captain and he was backing his bowlers and fielders after every delivery.

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2009 - 10:17 PM

    I think Saeed Anwar will be a good batting coach as long as he does not implement Inzamamism in the team i.e., start Tableegh in the dressing room.

  52. #52 by Mohammed Munir on August 13, 2009 - 8:15 AM

    Sahibzada Mohammad Shahid Khan Afridi and Yesterday’s T20 Win …

    Afridi is truly a gifted player and it is unfortunate that at times we underestimate the guy and talk only about his flaws, totally forgetting his brilliant records. I believe a part of this problem is associated to Afridi’s own wishes, as he said sometime back that, “I would like them to remember me as the craziest cricketer that ever played for Pakistan”. While another dilemma is that we, the fans, place very very high expectations on Afridi, and rarely is any other nonperforming Pakistani player criticized as much as we like to do Afridi. The fact is, we love to love him, but we equally well love to hate him too.

    So yes, we only remember Afridi as a crazy cricketer and at the same time we want him to score a century in every single game that he plays for Pakistan, and in the process, we completely ignore the unmatchable value of this ‘utility player’.

    Coming back to the T20 match, I can well understand that winning or loosing a game is of vital importance, but it is never only about wining and for a more mature audiences it also counts how well we played and how much effort have been put into one’s performances. The body language, the pumped up unit, the livewire appearances, motivated players, animated effects, and a highly spirited and theoretically executed win was the end result of it all.

    Yesterday’s game had a different feel to it, an exceptional killer instinct was obvious, which was historically a Pakistani forte, but was certainly missing during the last several years. This is how we used to play and win against India at Sharjah, a fully charged-up and ‘in-your-face’ attitude of the entire team.

    So what if Afridi had slight skirmishes with Sangakara and Jayawardene? So what if Ajmal was fined 15% of his match fees?

    Didn’t we all thoroughly enjoyed the dejected expressions on Sangakara’s face? Yes we did ……… and we LOVED IT !!

    This is absolutely what the ‘Thunday and Maathay’ (cold and … slow), captains like Inzimam, Shoaib Malik and Younis could not give to us, fans of Pakistan Cricket. The emotional Pakistanis, who want to see a well fought competition irrespective of the results.

    And for this … “Lala” is the MAN !!

  53. #53 by Mohammed Munir on August 13, 2009 - 8:26 AM

    We played mature cricket to win – Afridi

    http://www.cricinfo.com/slvpak2009/content/story/419319.html

    Shahid Afridi, Pakistan’s captain for the one-off Twenty20, believes his team played ‘mature cricket’ to beat Sri Lanka and end their six-week tour on a winning note.

    As in the Lord’s final it was Afridi’s all-round brilliance that tilted the scales in favour of Pakistan. He scored a well-paced half-century off 37 balls, took a vital wicket and also affected a run out to grab the Man-of-the-Match award on his debut as captain.

    “As captain I am really happy to have won. The guys really played mature cricket. What I told them was we are the champions and we should play like a champion team and the guys gave me a good response,” said Afridi. “We really struggled in the Test series and we didn’t play too well in the ODIs. This is a good victory for us. It will keep the guys morale high in the future.”

    About his game Afridi said: “I love to play my natural game but the situation was not right, we lost an early wicket but I thought if I stayed long the players will rally around me and I can have the scoreboard running.”

    Afridi spoke about giving youngsters a chance at the expense of seniors who are not performing to expectation. “If the seniors are not performing we should give them a rest and give opportunities to the youngsters to show their talent. This was an opportunity to give the younger guys and they have lived up to it.”

  54. #54 by khansahab on August 13, 2009 - 8:55 AM

    Saqlain wants Kaneria in ODI squad

    COLOMBO: Former Pakistan off-spinner Saqlain Mushtaq believes national selectors and team management were wasting experienced leg-spinner Danish Kaneria by not including him in the one-day side.

    ‘Kaneria is a very experienced bowler and he has quality about him. I would like to see him playing in Tests and other forms of the game as well,’ he said.

    Saqlain, who took 208 Test and 288 one-day wickets for Pakistan during a successful career that ended in 2004 due to a knee injury, thought selectors were making a mistake by not playing Kaneria regularly in the Test and one-day teams.

    ‘Pakistan should take advantage of the fact that they have a seasoned bowler like Danish; he and Saeed Ajmal can form a potent and effective spin pair for Pakistan in Test and ODI games,’ Saqlain felt.

    Kaneria, who has taken nearly 250 Test wickets, was not considered for the first two Tests in Sri Lanka but played in the final Test in which he took five wickets in the first innings.

    However, he was dropped for the ODI series and the one-off Twenty20 International and left for England to resume his contract with Essex where he has had a very successful career.

    Saqlain also said he accepted the New Zealand offer because no one from Pakistan ever contacted him for any coaching or consultancy role. ‘I am a professional and I have to earn my living from somewhere,’ he said.—Agencies

  55. #55 by Mohammed Munir on August 13, 2009 - 9:23 AM

    Following are from the excerpts of an article published on another Cricket Blog, by one of millions of Afridi fans. Please note that this article was published an hour before the yesterday’s game actually started and as such the writer is cautious toward the end of his comments. But this article makes a lot of sense and there are interesting stats. Enjoy the article below.

    Sahibzada Mohammad Shahid Khan Afridi … In Stats:

     He makes the all-time top-50 list of players who have played most international matches (combined Tests, ODIs and T20s); stands at no. 38 with 330 internationals … but somehow is still in his twenties (or as I like to call it the twen-teens).

     He also makes the list of top (ODI) all-rounders who have scored more than 1,000 runs, taken over 100 wickets and 50 catches. Afridi is outstanding and as currently he stands at 5,715 runs, 259 wickets and 96 catches.

     He holds the record of fastest 100 in ODI, features twice in the five fastest centuries in the world, and four times in the ten fastest fifties of the entire Cricketing World. He holds the top spot for highest strike rate in an innings (of 305.55, and only one above 300) and also holds the same top spot for highest strike rate in career as well (at 110.99).

     If you compare his batting within the Pakistan, he is the eighth highest run scorer for Pakistan ever, and only second after Mohammed Yousuf amongst the batsmen who are currently playing. Yes, he has scored more ODI runs than Younis Khan, Shoaib Malik, Abdul Razzaq and even Aamer Sohail. And even more surprising stat perhaps is that he is the fourth highest wicket taker for Pakistan in ODIs, only behind Wasim, Waqar and Saqlain and given the very short margin, he will surely surpass Saqlain as well.

     In terms of boundaries, he not only makes the list of batsmen with most fours in career (in ODIs), but is only second to Sanath Jayasuriya in the top six hitters with 250 sixes (only 20 behind Sanath but more importantly 60 ahead of the next one in the list, Sourav Ganguly).

     In the ODI bowling department, he has already bagged 259 wickets, which is the 16th highest in the all-time list. Yes that is more wickets than Kapil, Razzaq, Kallis, Vettori, Walsh, Ambrose, Shoaib (Akhtar), Harbajan, Imran (Khan), Aaqib, Flintoff, Bracken, Mushtaq, Botham and Shastri. The list is endless … after all only 15 bowlers to ever play the one-days are above him.

     In the T20 batting, he features twice (and the only player to do so) in the top ten with highest strike rate in an innings. He is in the top fifteen of the highest run scorers in T20 career as well.

     Sticking to the T20s, in the bowling department, this Khan shares the top spot in terms of bowling most maidens in career (at 3), is amongst the top five in terms of best bowling figures in an innings, is second only to Umar Gul in terms of number of wickets in T20 career (at 33) and is in top ten in career best average as well as economy rates.

     With being the “Player of the Tournament” in the inaugural World Twenty20 in South Africa in 2007 and now back to back “Man of the Match” awards in both Semi-Final and the Final of this year’s World Twenty20 in England, he is by far the top player with the bat, the ball and even in the field in the T20 context.

    The numbers and stats on paper are one thing and how a player is on the field is totally another. We already know how he, as a player, has always excited and energized crowds beyond their team affiliations worldwide. But then being a player in the field is different than being a captain out there. On one hand where we are getting an “Extreme Aggressor” to lead, we also have a very erratic and unpredictable team that needs to follow.

    His first game as the captain against Sri Lanka is only an hour away. The next few hours will be telling as to which extreme his aggression drives us toward. I am a big fan of agrression when it comes to a captain’s attitude and I might be speaking too soon here but in my humble opinion, I think we should also appoint him as our ODI captain and leave the Tests for Younis or Yousaf or whoever the board wants.

  56. #56 by khansahab on August 13, 2009 - 11:37 AM

    Butt hits back after incompetence allegations

    Karachi: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt on Wednesday hit back at a media report suggesting he had failed to work out a strategy to persuade international teams to again play in the country.

    Denying a report in The News which said that the PCB was not making concrete efforts for reviving international cricket in Pakistan, Butt said: “We do realise that at some stage we would need to have teams visiting Pakistan and as a step in this direction, we recently invited Zimbabwe U-19 team to Pakistan.

    However, there were still some apprehensions at their end which led us decide that we would send our U-19 team to Zimbabwe later this year. We are continuing with these efforts with the belief that in the near future international cricket will return to Pakistan,” Butt added.

    On the suggestion of inviting a World XI to Pakistan, the PCB chief said: “Yes we did receive a proposal from Tony Grieg regarding a World XI tour to Pakistan. Having evaluated it, we found that the costs were too high and perhaps the timing of the tour would not have served the purpose for us.”

    Butt also claimed that the PCB is making all out efforts to boost cricket in Pakistan.

    “Playing our home series abroad is a huge cost for us but when we weigh the benefits of providing an uninterrupted programme of tours for our senior and junior teams, we realise that this is money well spent. We have already lined up some Under-19 tours prior to the U-19 World Cup in February/March 2010 to ensure that our players are well prepared,” he maintained.

    Butt also stressed that Pakistan has gained a lot by suing the International Cricket Council (ICC) after the game’s governing body stripped Pakistan’s as a World Cup host because of security concerns.

    “We have gained a lot from the legal dispute. Our status as a co-host has been re-affirmed and with that all our rights and obligations under the Host Agreement. We now have a much better understanding of where we stand especially in terms of our rights,” he said.

    Butt also made it clear that the PCB’s financial woes are far from over.

    “The financial problems for PCB are not over. The biggest chunk of our TV rights revenues are allocated to Pakistan-India series which are unlikely to take place in the near future. The only other significant revenue source is the ICC funding to PCB which solely cannot support our yearly operations and this is one reason why we are adopting cost cutting measures,” he said.

  57. #57 by khansahab on August 13, 2009 - 11:50 AM

    The Quaid won’t have it

    ‘Here I should like to give a warning to the landlords and capitalists who have flourished at our expense by a system which is so vicious, which is so wicked and which makes them so selfish that it is difficult to reason with them. The exploitation of the masses has gone into their blood. They have forgotten the lesson of Islam. … There are millions and millions of our people who hardly get one meal a day. Is this civilisation? Is this the aim of Pakistan? Do you visualise that millions have been exploited and cannot get one meal a day? If that is the idea of Pakistan, I would not have it.’ — Quaid-i-Azam, Delhi, 1943
    No apology is necessary for flinging a somewhat longish quote from the state’s founding father in the face of his successors who have stopped respecting his legacy.
    Instead of using national days to broadcast meaningless resolutions about fulfilling the Quaid’s mission, it would be appropriate tomorrow (Independence Day) to face the question: has Pakistan become the state the Quaid-i-Azam would not have?

    The expressions used by the Quaid are exceptionally strong. He was not given to disowning the ideal of Pakistan in a huff. There should thus be little doubt that the foremost justification for Pakistan’s existence must be a consistent effort to end the exploitation of the masses at the hands of ‘landlords and capitalists’ who are amenable neither to reason nor to the call of Islam.

    To divert attention from the foremost ideal of guaranteeing the masses a decent standard of life quite a few half-baked theories have been concocted to exonerate the state of Pakistan. One of the most puerile statements that has been going round is that had Pakistan not been created this famous lawyer might have spent his life as a district pleader’s clerk or that the finance wizard would have been lucky to hold the ledger for a non-Muslim moneylender.

    Needless to demonstrate that this defence of the state is as childish as it is vulgar. The heavens would not have fallen if some Muslims had been unlucky in undivided India, they would certainly fall if a majority in Pakistan is no better off than hewers of wood and drawers of water. The fact is that not all of those who have prospered in Pakistan were the most deserving ones and no count has been kept of the hordes who have never had the opportunity to realise themselves. It is these masses the Quaid spoke about and it is these people whose plight must be at the top of the state’s concerns.

    These masses comprise peasants and industrial workers. A great majority of them are engaged in agriculture. The worst off among them and at the lowest rung of the farming hierarchy are the landless tenants. Their exploitation has been assuming ever more vicious forms. Deprived of work on land a large number of them have become bonded farm workers or raised one generation of slave-like labour after another at the brick kilns.

    The small owner-cultivators may be somewhat better placed than the landless farm labourers but only marginally. Together these two sections of the agricultural community constitute a majority of both the population and the civil labour force and are usually disposed of under the label of ‘peasantry.’

    The Quaid’s dictum apart, responsible states are supposed to work for the greatest good of the greatest number. That too should convince the keepers of the state of Pakistan of their duty to ease the misery of the country’s huge peasant stock. A significant aspect of the peasantry’s endless tribulation, one which also makes for additional exploitation, is that the most vulnerable among them have neither a voice nor an organisation. The discourse about peasantry has been dominated by small owner-cultivators. It is not fair to accuse the latter of neglecting or suppressing the demands and rights of the landless tillers but there is no doubt that they have not given the matter the attention it deserves.

    The international community recognised the right of agricultural workers to organise themselves more than 70 years ago by adopting an ILO Convention and this convention was duly ratified by the pre-independence government. However, no government in Pakistan has fulfilled its obligation to facilitate the rise of representative peasant associations. Instead they have displayed much unholy zeal in crushing genuine peasant organisations. This despite the realisation that any authentic statement about the needs and rights of a community can be made only by its own duly accredited representatives.

    Much has been made of the token representation allowed to the peasantry in the local bodies. Everybody however knows that in most cases the seats for peasants have been grabbed by elements hostile to their interests. The situation will not improve until the state apparatus, the political parties and the trade unions act collectively as well as severally to promote peasant associations and save the existing ones from excesses by landlord-police combines.

    Pending the creation of peasantry-state consultative mechanisms the need for quite a few steps for doing justice to the peasants has become evident. If the exploitation of the masses is to end and the greatest good of the greatest number guaranteed, some urgent measures are needed.

    — The state has cowardly surrendered to the blatantly flawed court judgment that has ruled out land reform. Parliament must demolish the bar and open the way to just and rational land utilisation patterns that respect the rights of farm labour.

    — All policies of giving away land to any people other than landless tenants must be abandoned.

    — State institutions and recognised banks should meet the credit needs of tenant-cultivators.

    — No state institution/functionary must be allowed to interfere with the formation and functioning of peasants’/tenants’ associations.

    — Early steps should be taken to implement the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ratified last year), especially regarding the recognition of the right to work, a fair wage and social security and equal wages for equal work.

    — All laws affecting the rights of tenants/farm labour, such as the Tenancy Acts and the Bonded Labour System Abolition Act, must be streamlined and effectively enforced.

    — The principle of reserving seats for peasants should be extended to the provincial and federal legislatures. Seats in the Senate need not be reserved for ulema and technocrats; there is much greater justification for reserving them for peasants and workers.

    Action along these lines will be only a part of the effort required to save Pakistan from failing the standard set by the Quaid-i-Azam.

  58. #58 by khansahab on August 13, 2009 - 11:54 AM

    Shahid Afridi with MQM people helping to raise funds for Swat victims:

    youtube.com/watch?v=JxAay4M8MjM&feature=player_embedded

    Afridi has joined hands with MQM on many occasions. Truly he is a patriotic Pakistani who does not discriminate on the basis of ethnicity.

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 13, 2009 - 12:25 PM

    Munir;

    Whoever that guy is i.e., who wrote those stats, he has missed out many things about Shahid Afridi. The first being, he is the only Pakistani and the third in the world to score 5000 runs and take 250 wickets in ODI after, Jayasuriya and Kallis.

    Comparing Shahid Afridi’s stats with Jayasuriya doesn’t make any sense, because Jayasuriya is 40 years old and Afridi is only 29 years old. And, Jayasuriya has so far played 154 ODI matches more than Afridi (281 ODI’s) Jayasuriya (435 ODI’s) And, he is only 20 sixes behind Jayasuriya. A couple of years ago he was ahead of Jayasuriya in sixes but, then Pakistan played very few ODI’s as compared to Sri Lanka.

    As regards expectations from him, that person is right we all place very high expectations and we all want him to score a century each time he plays and hit a few sixes all the time. And, no one criticize Malik and Misbah or others when they don’t perform. It is a kinda blessing that Salman Butt got a break, similarly Malik and Misbah also needs one. The irony is they will still be playing the Champions Trophy next month. If Misbah is dropped his career would be over because of his age and poor performance. This time he won’t be able to catch the train.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 13, 2009 - 12:34 PM

    Saqlain on Kaneria

    khansahab

    I don’t agree with Saqlain here, he is speaking from a spinner’s point of view hence his views are lopsided and he cannot see the total picture. There is no need to have two leg spinners in the ODI team i.e., one being Shahid Afridi himself. It would have been OK if Kaneria was not just a leg spinner.

    All leg spinners give more runs than off-spinners but, Kaneria gives more than the expected average. Other than that his utility in the team is not zilch but, negative. His fielding is absolutely third class and batting is next to nothing.

    In the shorter version games you don’t need specialists, you need all-rounders, big hitters and economical bowlers with exceptional fielding capabilities. Mohammad Yousuf and Younus Khan survived in the ODI’s only on the basis of their batting that is because, they are exceptionally good batsmen (and Younus is a good fielder) but, they stand no chance in T20. Misbah is struggling because he is totally out of form and cannot justify his place in the team only on the basis of his poor batting performance.

  61. #61 by khansahab on August 13, 2009 - 1:39 PM

    Inzamam asks PCB to unveil those framing match-fixing charges

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    LAHORE: Former cricket captain Inzamamul Haq said match-fixing allegations started emerging whenever Pakistan lost matches.

    Talking to media here, Inzamam has asked the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to taken strict action if any player found guilty otherwise unveils those who framed allegations.

    Former captain said if anyone involved in the grouping within the team should be expelled. He said this is not the right time to make individual captain for test, one day and twenty20.

    Inzamam said Pakistan is better than Sri Lanka and lack of test match practice was the major reason of defeat in test series against Sri Lanka.

  62. #62 by khansahab on August 13, 2009 - 1:55 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I also don’t agree with having 3 spinners in ODI’s (Ajmal, Kaneria and Afridi).

    Afridi is doing the job at the moment. I am not so concerned about fielding unless the format is T20. Ajmal and Yousuf are automatic selections in ODI but they field badly. But in T20 there is no question that you need to have very good fielders. In Tests they might experiment with 3 spinners if the pitch is offering some assistance to the spinners.
    However an argument not to play Kaneria is also that at the moment 3 bad fielders (Ajmal, Razzaq and Yousuf) are playing in the team and the team can’t afford to have another pathetic fielder.

  63. #63 by khansahab on August 13, 2009 - 2:49 PM

    Miandad made batting adviser after Pakistan defeats

    KARACHI: Pakistan appointed former captain and batting legend Javed Miandad as batting adviser to the national team following recent heavy defeats to Sri Lanka, an official said Thursday.

    The appointment of the 51-year-old came after Pakistan’s humiliating 2-0 defeat in Tests and 3-2 loss in the one-day series in Sri Lanka, results which were blamed on Pakistan’s performance with the bat.

    Pakistan finished the tour with a 52-run win in the Twenty20 match against Sri Lanka on Wednesday.

    ‘We have requested Miandad help our team’s batting before next month’s Champions Trophy in South Africa and take care of (the team’s) problems,’ Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt told a press conference.

    Needing 97 to win on the fourth day of the first Test in Galle, Pakistan then suffered a dramatic collapse, losing eight wickets to crash to a 50-run defeat.

    In the second Test they found themselves in a commanding position of 285-1 only to throw away nine wickets for a paltry 35 runs, handing Sri Lanka a seven-wicket victory.

    Miandad is regarded as one of Pakistan’s greatest batsmen, scoring 8832 runs in 124 Tests — still a Pakistan record — and 7381 runs in 233 one-day internationals.

    He is also director general of the PCB and sits on the PCB Governing Board.

    ‘We had batting failures and I will be meeting each and every player here on Friday,’ said Butt.

    ‘I will then brief the media about the causes of the defeats.’ — AFP

  64. #64 by khansahab on August 13, 2009 - 9:43 PM

    Rameez Raja, Pakistan cricket star invests in Sri Lanka under BOI

    The Board of Investment of Sri Lanka granted investment approval to Agro Farm Lanka (Private) Limited. Board Members Mr. Channa Palansuriya and Mr. Upali Samaraweera signed the agreement on behalf of the BOI and formally presented the BOI Certificate of Registration to Mr. Rameez Raja.
    Mr. Rameez Raja, a prominent former Pakistani test cricketer, now an internationally known cricket commentator, has signed up an investment agreement with the BOI for a project to cultivate fruits and vegetables for the local market. The project has an initial investment of Rs. 18 million, which is expected to increase later. The cultivation is to be located in 18 acres of land in Anamaduwa.

    Mr. Raja also has experience in the field, hailing as he does from an agricultural background in Pakistan. He expects to expand operations to grow betel leaf, which has high potential as an export to Pakistan.

    Mr. Raja has strong personal connections with Sri Lanka. He is a former Captain of the Pakistani team and first toured Sri Lanka in 1978 with the Pakistan under-19 team. He said that he has visited Sri Lanka several times and said “Sri Lanka is an excellent destination and is full of friendly people. The island also has excellent relations with Pakistan.”

    The Free Trade Agreement (FTA) between Pakistan and Sri Lanka has been operational from June 2005. Under this Agreement, Sri Lanka and Pakistan have agreed to offer preferential market access to each others’ exports by way of tariff concessions.

    Mr. Raja also commended the BOI “on the excellent service provided. The whole process took just four weeks”. He also mentioned that he received a lot of support from Mr. Roshan Abeysinghe and Mr. Ranjith Fernando, both Sri Lankan cricket commentators, to get this venture under way.

    Mr. Rameez Raja signed the agreement on behalf of the company. Ms. Attiya Ambreen Ramiz and Mr. Roshan Abeysinghe were also present at the occasion.

  65. #65 by M. Y. Kasim. on August 13, 2009 - 11:38 PM

    The so-called sympathy toward his fellow spinner, Danish Kaneria is nothing more than to square up the score against his old adversary, Shahid Afridi. Look at his statement, “Saeed Ajmal and Danish Kaneria would make a potent and effective spin pair” as if Saeed and Afridi have not done so.

    What is that Urdu proverb? “Khasiani billi?”

    Remember when he was so upset when Miandad, as coach, chose Kaneria in place of Saqlain in a match that he not only started abusing Miandad but was about to hit him had Aamer Sohail not intervened.(Aamer was Chief Selector at that time) It was all captured on the TV live and since then Saqlain’s career eneded.

  66. #66 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 14, 2009 - 12:07 AM

    Mr. Kasim

    When was this? I never heard about this story of Saqlain getting so upset with Miandad that he not only abused him but almost went to hit him and it was live on TV? How come I missed that? Is there any link for you tube? This is so bizarre because Saqlain tries to portray a very humble picture about his personality with his un-groomed bushy beard and Tableeghi expressions on his face and some of his supporters call him a cool cucumber.

    I don’t know why I don’t like these two pseudo Mullahs Saqlain Mushtaq and Mushtaq Ahmad both. There is always something more than what meets the eye. Both of them are materialistic and phony.

    About Saeed Anwar’s appointment as batting coach I wrote yesterday that as long as he is going to keep the dressing room atmosphere clean i.e., not preaching Tableegh then it is OK. But, for someone like Saeed Anwar not to do that is unimaginable, he will certainly do that. And, we have seen how things changed under Inzamam when he was cultivating that Tableeghi culture in the team.

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 14, 2009 - 12:15 AM

    Mr. Kasim

    That Urdu expression is, “Khissyani Billi Khamba Nochi.” In Saqlain’s case, he has a bushy beard and all he can do is scratch his chin through his beard.

    Btw, at one time he was trying his best to get British passport to play for England. I dunno what happened after that.

  68. #68 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 8:05 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Thanks for defending me.

    Omer

    I don’t think I ever opposed capitalism on this blog? That article was just to emphasise how disappointing Jinnah would have been with Pakastan if he were alive today, because he envisioned a real democracy that was heralded by the middle class. He did not want feudal domination. In fact I remember reading about his address to some Punjab based feudal politicians and he warned them not to encroach upon other provinces and not to undermine the rights of other provinces. He also told them he did not want any regional acrimony in Pakastan.

    Both capitalism and communism have their pros and cons.

  69. #69 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 8:06 AM

    Intikhab, Shahid Afridi hails Miandad as coach

    Karachi, Aug 14 (PTI) Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam and all-rounder Shahid Afridi hailed former captain Javed Miandad’s appointment as the batting consultant of the side, saying it would help the batsmen finetune their craft before the Champions Trophy.

    “Given Miandad’s experience he will be very useful to the team specially the younger players,” Alam said.

    Afridi, who led Pakistan in the one-off Twenty20 International in Sri Lanka, echoed Alam’s view and said, “It is a decision of the board. Miandad is a great player and we can learn a lot from him. His induction should be beneficial to the team.”

    The Pakistan cricket team returned home from a disappointing tour of Sri Lanka last night and coach Intikhab Alam made it clear he would not hesitate to step down if he felt he couldn’t contribute to the team.

    “I am working hard with this team and I have produced results.

  70. #70 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 8:10 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Younis Khan and Shahid Afridi have been awarded the “Pride of Performance Medal” by President Asaf Zardari.

  71. #71 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 8:19 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    According to the latest politics polls, Zardari’s popularity is at all-time low at 32 per cent while Nawaz Sharif has reached a new high at 79 per cent approval ratings.

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 14, 2009 - 11:30 AM

    khansahab

    Nawaz Sharif’s ratings have gone up since he is playing the regionalism card. Reportedly he distributed pamphlets to people saying: “Jaag Punjabi Jaag.” It shows how jingoistic he is and he tied knots with the paindoo chaudhary in the name of justice whereas he actually used him in achieving his own goals. When Nawaz Sharif will come in power, he will distribute another pamphlet, “Nuch Punjaban Nuch.” And, his brother Shahbaz Sharif would be telling every punjaban, “Nuchlayyyyyy, Nuchlayyyyyyy…”

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 14, 2009 - 11:40 AM

    For Pakistan “A,” Ahmad Shahzad scored 96 in the 2nd unofficial test match against Sri Lanka and he scored at a good run rate i.e., in 130 balls with 13 fours and 2 sixes.

    He should be groomed for Pakistan team along with Fawad Alam, they both are good prospects and for ODI and twenty20, Shahzaib Hasan Khan should be groomed, these youngsters can replace Malik and Misbah.

    If the news is correct that, Younus Khan and Afridi got Pride of Performance award from Zardari, then Malik, Misbah and their supporters must be very upset. Prepare yourself for the criticism that is bound to come.

    IMO, only the timing is not good. If Zardari wanted to give PoP award, he should have given it immediately after the T20 WC, because right now the team has returned home after losing both, test and ODI series. One might argue that, it could be a morale booster, but those who received these awards their morale is high, the others needed something else to boost their morale. What is Zardari going to give them?

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 14, 2009 - 11:54 AM

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  75. #75 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 12:41 PM

    On 14th August I pray all Pakistanis stand united as one nation. On this day we should forget what ethnicity, school of thought and religious sect we hail from. There are still millions of Pakistanis who want to see a prosperous and united Pakistan and they are resolute in their intentions. For their sake I hope the time comes soon.

    Today I was watching a very interesting programme in which Mushahid Hussein Syed was discussing Pakistan’s future. He said that the future for Pakistan is bright as Pakistanis are now discussing issues which we could never discuss 5 or 10 years ago. He said that the media is the reason why Pakistan will survive and prosper. He also said the introduction of the middle class man into Pakistani politics will help transform Pakistan into a sustainable democracy. Mr Syed is from Punjab, but he said the credit of this goes to MQM and he said he himself is a product of MQM’s campaign to end feudalism and bring more middle class people into governance. Mr Syed also said now Pakistanis are talking about rights of provinces whereas 5 or 10 years ago any request for provincial autonomy was treated with disdain from the centre.

    There was another guest on the programme, an MQM minister and he said Pakistan needs to learn from past mistakes such as 1971. He said that the time has come to give provinces more rights, otherwise people will rise and demanded separate homelands. He said the centre should realise the plight of Baluchis, Muhajirs and Pashtuns quickly otherwise these people will flare up and it will be bad for the country.

    Both of these two gentlemen discussed the change in thought in Pakistani psyche in the past 5-10 years. But no one accredited the individual responsible for this change in thought. Now that man is sitting in London and he can’t come to the very country he transformed because people who are opposed to him will arrest him and try him for their personal agendas.

    Mr Syed also said that Jinnah was not a dictator but he gave Pakistan to Pakistanis. I have said in a country like Pakistan, labels such as “dictatorship” and “democracy” mean nothing. Individuals matter, not labels. Jinnah had more in common with Musharraf than any politician in Pakistan. He was from an educated family, he did not have any criminal record, he was not from a feudal background etc, and most important of all he did not loot millions from the masses.

    Musharraf has been an unsung hero of Pakistan. Shahbaz Sharif, Imran Khan and other individuals have commented that Musharraf promised he would get top leaders of MQM killed. If Musharraf was biased towards Muhajirs, why would he do that and why would his name be associated with military operations in Karachi? Recently MQM Haqiqi announced they will sue Musharraf for genocide of supposedly innocent members of their party, whose killings Musharraf ordered during the military operations. So why do people hate him if he saw a lot of potential in Karachi and gave a free hand to MQM to develop Karachi? Did Nawaz Sharif not develop Lahore and Pindi? Less than 50% of Karachi’s population is Urdu Speaking. Karachi has more Pathans than Peshawar has and Karachi has more Punjabis than Lahore has. Hasn’t this development or enrichment of the city helped non Urdu Speakers as well?

    As far as I am concerned, I am an Urdu Speaker but I don’t hate Musharraf even if he got many Urdu Speakers killed. I care about everyone in the country, not just one ethnicity. It is time paindoos start doing the same.

  76. #76 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 12:57 PM

    khansahab :I’m available for openers’ coaching: Saeed Anwar
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    NAWABSHAH: World record holder and former opening batsman Saeed Anwar said that there is no truth in the charges of match fixing on the Pakistan team but harmony is badly needed in the team.
    Talking with journalists at the Press Club during his four-day tableeghi tour of Nawabshah, Saeed Anwar said that young Pakistan cricketers have great talent but they need training.
    He said that if differences take place between the captain and the players then problems would be enhanced and Pakistan may get a bad name.
    Saeed Anwar said that availability of good openers is a key to success of the teams and the Pakistan Cricket Board should focus on it.
    He said that he is available if his services are required in this regard.
    Saeed said that the Pakistan-India tension may be eliminated through cricket.

    Javed A Khan

    I also agree that Anwar can be a good coach provided he does not do Tableegh. However, I also agree Tableegh will definitely be on the cards. I sense the PCB has seen the divisions in the team and they want to restore the unity we saw in Inzi’s time. However, this time I don’t think this ploy of creating unity will work because Younis and Afridi don’t have the same respect Inzi had.

  77. #77 by Mohammed Munir on August 14, 2009 - 1:29 PM

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  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 14, 2009 - 1:35 PM

    Munir

    Lot of effort but not a satisfying result, eh? The crescent and the star is not visible aur as usual, Darzi nay hasb-e-aadat, jhanday ka bhee kapra chura liya!

  79. #79 by Mohammed Munir on August 14, 2009 - 1:39 PM

    Hahahah ……. @ Darzi 🙂

    Cool new look @ LS, eh ? 😉

    BTW, that flag can be refined and perfected, so go ahead give it a try on a lazy ‘TGIF’.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 14, 2009 - 1:50 PM

    For you it is a lazy TGIF for us it is usually Sunday. Besides, I don’t have the patience to work out details on the computer. I can type very fast, do my reports related to my job, correspondence, blogging etc., but not that kinda paint brush or photoshop details. I do calligraphy, sketching and painting but not on computer.

  81. #81 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 3:04 PM

    Younis non-committal on Asif’s in Champions Trophy

    Updated at: 2040 PST, Friday, August 14, 2009

    KARACHI: Pakistan Captain Younis Khan was noncommittal about the selection of pace bowler Muhammad Asif for the upcoming Champions Trophy in South Africa next month.

    The elite eight-nation competition will be played in South Africa from September 22 to October 5.

    Asif has to prove his form and fitness after long lay-off and after one-year ban,” he told reporters on Friday at the residence of Sindh Sports Minister and KCCA President Muhammad Ali Shah.

    Muhammad Asif completed one-year ban following positive dope test while appearing for in Indian Premier League. PCB submitted his name among the preliminary list of 30 probables for the Champions Trophy.

    He said a one-week training camp of the team will be conducted either in Karachi or Lahore in Ramzan-ul-Mubarik to prepare the team in build-up for the Champions Trophy.

    Commenting on the selection of Javed Miandad as Pakistan team’s batting consultant, he welcomed his appointment. “He (Miandad) got a wealth of knowledge about batting and can help batsmen to overcome their problems,” he said.

    He also said Pakistan team can also benefit from former test opener Saeed Anwar and from ex-test fast bowler Waqar Younis.

    “I have no issue with any one since it will be in the interest Pakistan team and the country,” he commented.

    He said he cant sideline experienced players like Shoaib Malik and Misbah-ul-Haq without providing them full opportunities.

    Younis Khan said he will be leaving for London on fund-raiser tour on Saturday for a charity organisation.

  82. #82 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 3:20 PM

    Pervez Musharraf to return to Pakistan soon

    Islamabad, Aug 14 (PTI) Former President Pervez Musharraf, who was recently booked by police for illegally detaining scores of judges during the 2007 emergency, has said he will return to Pakistan very soon.

    Musharraf told a TV news channel he would always be with Pakistan when he was needed. He said he had been busy making the rounds of the international academic circuit delivering lectures and would return to Pakistan as soon as he finished his commitments.
    Pakistan’s Supreme Court last month declared the emergency imposed by Musharraf in November 2007 as unconstitutional and illegal, raising the possibility of his trial on charges of treason.

    A police station in Islamabad recently registered a case against the former military ruler for illegally detaining over 60 judges and their families during the emergency.

    Police officials have said Musharraf faces the possibility of being arrested on his return to the country.

  83. #83 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 3:22 PM

    ‘PML-Q will not support move against Musharraf’

    KARACHI: Pakistan Muslim League-Q chief Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain has said his party will not become a party to any move in parliament against former president retired General Pervez Musharraf.
    Addressing a press conference at the residence of Sindh PML-Q chief Haleem Adil Shaikh here on Thursday, Mr Hussain said that he had talked to Muttahida Qaumi Movement chief Altaf Hussain by telephone earlier in the day.

    ‘On the MQM chief’s idea of according a rousing welcome to Gen Musharraf on his return to the country, I told him that the PML-Q will have no business with any such reception,’ Shujaat Hussain said when asked about his visit to ‘Nine Zero’, the MQM headquarters.

    The PML-Q chief arrived in the city on Thursday morning and was accorded a warm welcome by a large number of the party workers and supporters led by Mr Shaikh.

    The party’s Secretary-General Mushahid Hussain Saiyed, Women Wing chief Nilofer Bakhtiar, Amir Muqam, Aziz Malik and other prominent leaders were also present.

    Mr Hussain visited Mazar-i-Quaid before receiving another warm welcome at ‘Nine Zero’, where he had a luncheon meeting with the MQM leadership and talked to Altaf Hussain by telephone.

    In reply to newsmen’s questions, Shujaat Hussain said his party was regaining its popularity in all the four provinces.

  84. #84 by Awas on August 14, 2009 - 7:51 PM

    Javed

    Reportedly he distributed pamphlets to people saying: “Jaag Punjabi Jaag.”

    Is that really so? If it really is a news item then is there a link you can post or is it just another rumour that you often hear at your Punjabi mehfils? 🙂

    Wouldn’t that be politically suicidal for Nawaz to start making slogans like that, let alone distributing pamphlets? Having lived in Punjab, never in my life have I ever heard a slogan like that. Yes, cheap slogans like so and so is a Sher’e Punjab in an election campaign may be and that too I vividly remember was for a ‘my feudal lord’ ie Gulam Mustafa Khar when he stood for PPP but never a “Jaag Punjabi Jaag.” thing.

    Neither Zardari nor Nawaz deserve to rule Pakiatan ever again but people have such short memories that one will trump the other in the next election unless people really wake up and take notice of politicians like Musharraf, Mushahid Hussein Syed and that MQM minister that khansahab mentions in his comment 81.

  85. #85 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 10:10 PM

    According to latest reports PCB is trying to organise a Test and ODI series against India next year to be held in England.

    I know most Pakistani players perform well against India, but I have a bad feeling about this. Pakistan pace attack is a nothing attack now except Aamer’s raw genius and Gul’s occasional effectiveness. Plus, if Malik and Misbah are to remain, God knows what will happen. Afridi and Ajmal are good bowlers but Indians will play them with ease.

    I think Pakistan will lose badly and it will be extremely humiliating. I don’t think any series should be organised against India.

  86. #86 by khansahab on August 14, 2009 - 10:36 PM

    On behalf of LS I would like to congratulate our Indian friends on India’s Independence Day.

  87. #87 by Pawan on August 15, 2009 - 4:56 AM

    hello Khansahab

    Many grand wishes to you and everyone on Pakistan’s Independence as well!
    I hope divorce between two countires will mature over the years.
    I haven’t been a regular contributer at LS as before.
    But its been great to read some cricket news and views over here daily at the end of a tiring day.

  88. #88 by Mohammed Munir on August 15, 2009 - 6:44 AM

    Happy Independence Day to All our Indian Bolggers !!

  89. #89 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 10:06 AM

    Pawan

    You are a good man and your views are always appreciated.

  90. #90 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 10:17 AM

    Omer

    I am agree, but if you look at the rising economies of the world, agriculture is a very small sector now in those economies. So although agriculture may be Pakastan’s lifeline now, they need to seriously revamp the system and produce goods and services that are more marketable and profitable. Of course, if all the countries start improving their financial sector and technological sector, one wonders where the “anaaj” will come from the the global prices of such commodities will inflate. They need to strike the right balance. Even developed countries like USA, UK etc produce enough wheat, vegetables and dairy products to sustain themselves.

    By weakening the feudal structure can more emphasis be placed on other sectors. Land reforms will help.

    Regarding the education system, again I am agree, although I need more elaboration on what you meant by “focus to produce sound citizens”? If you are referring to Pakistan, then yes, I am agree there the system is quite flawed. Recently it was in the news that thousands of students are caught cheating every year in Pakistan and the figures are increasing every year.

  91. #91 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 10:25 AM

    Poor shot selection cost us – Intikhab

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    Cricinfo staff

    August 15, 2009

    Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam has blamed his batsmen for the Test and ODI series defeats in Sri Lanka. Pakistan lost the Test series 2-0 and were 3-0 down in the five-match ODI series before snatching consolation wins in the last two games and the one-off Twenty20 international.

    “We dominated the Test series against Sri Lanka but just two bad sessions changed the whole scenario of the tour,’ Intikhab said on arrival back in Pakistan. “Poor shot selection brought about our downfall.”

    Pakistan were well-placed in the first two Tests but lost both after dramatic batting collapses. In Galle, they crashed to 117 in the fourth innings chasing a modest 168. At the P Sara Oval, they were bundled out for 90 in the first innings, but their collapse in the second was more dramatic. After staging a spirited comeback, they lost their last nine wickets for 35 runs and subsequently suffered their first ever Test series loss in Sri Lanka.

    The captain Younis Khan denied rumours of rifts within the team and also refused to quit after those defeats. Intikhab also refused to resign, following calls from various quarters that he was too old to coach the team.

    “I don’t think age has anything to do with it. And anyway I’m not yet 70,” said Intikhab, who is 67.

    Intikhab also welcomed the appointment of Javed Miandad as batting advisor to prepare for the upcoming Champions Trophy. The Pakistan Cricket Board is also expected to hire former opener Saeed Anwar as the batting coach.

    “Miandad has a lot of experience and I’m sure that his guidance will help our batsmen a lot,” Intikhab said.

    Shahid Afridi, Pakistan’s new Twenty20 captain, hoped his team would carry the winning momentum to the Champions Trophy in South Africa next month.

    “We had lost all the previous games and were desperate to win the last few and managed to do that easily,” Afridi said. “I hope that we will continue playing like that in the Champions Trophy.”

  92. #92 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 10:33 AM

    This is taken from a different blog. This shows what cricketers’ day jobs were before they became international players.

    saeed anwar , computer engineer
    Rashid lateef , engineer
    Imran khan , Masters in political science from some uk university
    Razaaq , electrical technician
    mehmood , worked at his dads garage
    Shoaib akhtar , was a street punk , b com drop out
    Sami , b com drop out , may be completed later
    Yasir hameed , lawyer
    Ejaz ahmed , property dealer
    Salim malik , construction company owner , family business
    yousuf , rickshaw driver
    younis khan , was near to become a mason
    Shahid Afridi , family business of resturants
    Rao iftikhar , farmer
    Anwar ali , was labourer at a textile mill i think
    Misbah ul haq , MBA
    Salman butt , seems educated , son of a mill owner , said in a tv show

  93. #93 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 11:23 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Younis Khan said an his interview on 13th August:

    “Fawad Alam is the type of player that the whole of Pakistan, Abdul Qadir and myself say he is the best and fittest player in the team”.

  94. #94 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 11:28 AM

    Musharraf totally unperturbed by political vendetta against him, says his legal aide

    Islamabad, Aug.15 – ANI: Former Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf is not perturbed by the volley of cases being registered against him in the country, a leading member of his legal team has said.

    Nothing is happening that Musharraf has not foreseen, advocate Saif Ali Khan said.

    Khan said the legal war being initiated against Musharraf is nothing but political vendetta.

    It is not less than a joke, it is political vendetta. If they want to arrest him, they should try that, The News quoted Khan, as saying.

    He said the former general is ready to face the charges, and would try to get pre-arrest bail in the Islamabad case.

    It should be noted that it was not Musharraf who had locked the residences of the judges. There were other officials, including policemen, who did so, Khan said.

    Hinting at President Asif Ali Zardari and Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif against whom number of criminal cases have been registered, Khan said if such tainted people can hold office then Musharraf had no fears of being prosecuted.

    The former president is willing to face all these cases. If a man against whom 153 criminal and other cases were registered could become the president of Pakistan, and a person, accused of extra-judicial killings, can become the chief minister of Punjab, Musharraf is not scared by the present campaign, he said.

    Musharraf, however, has no immediate plans to return to Pakistan.

    He would be leaving London for the United States in a couple of weeks to deliver lectures for nearly two months and later moving to South Africa, Khan informed. – ANI

  95. #95 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 11:56 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Shahrukh Khan was detained at a US airport for two hours and interrogated because of his Muslim name.

    He said after the incident, “Certain countries have issues with my name. I am very proud of my name.”

    Aamer Khan, Irfan Khan and some other Muslim actors have faced similar treatment in USA.

  96. #96 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 15, 2009 - 1:43 PM

    HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY TO ALL INDIAN BLOGGERS.

  97. #97 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 15, 2009 - 2:06 PM

    Awas

    I am so surprised that you never heard this slogan before? It was used in 1988 election and it is known to everyone that “Hamid Gul gave a very Anti-Pakistan Slogan to Mian Nawaz Sharif in 1988 Election, a slogan which is detrimental to the fragile Federation of Pakistan – Jag Punjabi Jag Teri Pag Nu Lag Gaya Dagh – Wake O Punjabi your turban is tainted].

    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:RKq6WOp_HMQJ:www.kabani.co.uk/turbans_pugree.htm+nawaz+sharif+slogan+jaag+punjabi+jaag&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

    This time again when Nawaz stared the long march campaign his party workers distributed the pamphlets The worst is not just the Punjabi slogan, but the slogan followed by the jaag punjabi jaag slogan was ‘Sindhi kutta hai, hai.” And, Sindis did nothing except for sitting in their drawing rooms and watching it on TV.

    And it is not a secret and neither it is a joke created in the mehfil of punjabi friends. But, a fact. I am sure if you Google it, you will find dozens of links. Here is one more:

    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:RJKc8_8hUkcJ:www.globalpolitician.com/23813-pakistan+nawaz+sharif+slogan+jaag+punjabi+jaag&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

    This is the excerpt from it:

    “For example there is no real national Party. The PPP which once played that role was squeezed out of that role by the Army and its minions, like Nawaz and Chaudris, with the slogan “Jag Punjabi Jag” and mindless repression and persecution of its followers. The ANP,MQM,MMA and PML(N) are either purely ethnic Parties or at best Provincial entities. Similarly on issues such as Kalabagh Dam, division of assets, etc; the discussions, regardless of which Government is in power, are conducted on the basis of provincial rather than national interests. Musharraf says that the Army provides the glue to Pakistan’s integrity but implicit in this dangerous argument is the admission that nothing else holds the country together.”

    I am surprised how Nawaz Sharif can say he is the true representative of the AWAAM or the nation? Because, he never went to Sindh, Baluchistan or NWFP for campaigning and he is least bothered because he knows Punjab has 60% of the country’s population and all he needs is win their hearts on the basis of jingoism and regionalism. The Seraiki movement is catching up they are not happy with him because the budget allocation for lower punjab is next to nothing as compared to the so-called upper punjab.

  98. #98 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 15, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    Now a little humour after the serious comments that I have just posted about Nawaz Sharif’s anti Pakistan slogan. Jag Punjabi Jag Teri Pag Nu Lag Gaya Dagh. Like, I said, the next slogan will be Nuch Punjaban Nuch. And, the Punjaban who came to Peshawar stands up and sings:

    Chunreee May Daagh Chuppaaon Kaisay
    Gur Jaon Kaisay……

  99. #99 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 3:34 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I agree and I have also read about this slogan. Not just said, but also seen people discussing this on TV.

    It has also been mentioned in the book, “Foreign Policy of Pakistan”.
    Here is the link:

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7czT4fipTyoC&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=nawaz+jag+punjabi+jag&source=bl&ots=bZ5caa5neD&sig=amZnZFrMTFcASj4NwUlWMtjKOPk&hl=en&ei=uNSGSqH9A6mNjAeFu-miCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#v=onepage&q=nawaz%20jag%20punjabi%20jag&f=false

  100. #100 by khansahab on August 15, 2009 - 3:41 PM

    PML-N MPA ‘assaults’policeman in Faisalabad

    LAHORE: A Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz lawmaker roughed up a police official in Faisalabad, a private TV channel reported late on Friday. While leading a rally to celebrate Independence Day, Punjab Assembly member Shafiq Gujjar beat up Elite Force constable Mumtaz after the latter stopped the party workers from aerial firing, the channel reported. Talking to the channel, the constable said the MPA slapped him and also snatched his rifle under the influence of alcohol. Denying the allegations, Gujjar told the channel that he was an “innocent man” and a “soldier” of Nawaz Sharif. He said he did not snatch the rifle from the constable. He accused the police of baton charging his supporters to disrupt the rally. He said the allegations of his being drunk were also baseless. He appealed to his party leadership to investigate the allegations.

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    I saw this news yesterday on ARY. They actually reported that the PML N guy and his goons beat up a few police officers when they were firing and creating havoc on the roads. They snatched the weapons of the officers and humiliated them. One must not forget it is PML N that is ruling Punjab at the moment.

    What an act of disgraceful hooliganism. These fanatics of Mr Nawaz Sharif are hooligans and terrorists. How they can manage the majority support in the country is beyond me.

    This is what this soldier of Nawaz Sharif looks like:

    I think he is related to Aftakar Choudhary CJ.

  101. #101 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 16, 2009 - 12:29 AM

    My Dear Awas

    You are a very nice person, despite being a Punjabi you do not have those biases, prejudices or characteristics like most uncouth paindoos have and that is because of your humble and refined nature and perhaps it is also due to your good educated and civil background and your good upbringing. I wish ALL Punjabis are like you. But, that is asking too much. I am not saying that all other races are refined or do not have those biases and uncouthness in them. But, it is a fact that has been noted not just by Pakistanis but, even by outsiders. In the following comment, I will post an article written by Tarek Fatah. You may first read about his background by clicking on this link below:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarek_Fatah

    As regards distributing the pamphlets, NO LEADER goes out and distributes pamphlets by hand, it is the party workers who do and it was done by the approval of Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif. ZA Bhutto did not kill Ahmad Raza Kasuri’s father, they accused him of issuing orders. And, when I first wrote about that slogan on LS, I used the word, REPORTEDLY…. check out my first comment on the subject.

  102. #102 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 16, 2009 - 12:50 AM

    SEEING OURSELVES AS OTHERS SEE US.

    The racist nature of Pakistan’s politics. By Tarek Fatah

    Where Punjabis govern with a sense of entitlement over Sindhis and Baloch

    “Zardari, after all is a Sindhi, from a people most upper class Punjabis think off as backward, lazy, illiterate serfs who are unpatriotic and thus not deserving to be at the helm of affairs. This Punjabi elite cannot get over the fact, the man they hated, from a people they despised, has ended up as the president of the country, and that too without their blessing”

    Pakistan is a multi-national and multi-lingual country of diverse peoples that wraps itself in the banner of Islam. However, its elites practice neither Islam nor recognize diversity.

    On the contrary, the dominant ruling elites, the Punjabi upper middle class, civil and military officers, as well as the landed aristocracy have ruled the nation for over 60 years with a sense of entitlement that bristles with racism and chauvinism.

    One would have thought the Punjabi ruling classes would have learnt a lesson in 1971 after their colonialist policies in then East Pakistan destroyed the country. However, instead of facing the truth, it seems this sense of entitlement and colonial attitude has been reinforced and passed on to the next generation. These men and women simply see themselves as the normative and all other Pakistanis, be they religious or racial minorities, as their subjects.

    Only if one recognizes this internal racism of the Pakistan’s ruling Punjabi elites, including the media, can one can get to understand the near hysterical nature of the opposition to President Asif Ali Zardari that takes on a vicious personal nature.

    At times it seems the hatred targeted at Zardari is sheer jealousy.
    More than one such gentleman has said Zardari did not deserve to have been the husband of Benazir Bhutto; a position they feel should have been reserved for them or one of their fellow Punjabis who fake colonial British accents, false Muslim bravado, but back their patriotism with genuine Canadian passports.

    Zardari, after all is a Sindhi, a people most upper class Punjabis think off as backward, lazy, illiterate serfs who are unpatriotic and thus not deserving to be at the helm of affairs. This Punjabi elite cannot get over the fact, the man they hated from a people they despised, has ended up as the president of the country, and that too without their blessing”

    This arrogant and racist attitude is not reserved just for the Sindhis, but also includes the Baloch, a people treated like the Blacks in America before the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

    Wasiq Ali captured this feeling best. On August 7, 2009, he wrote about a recent report by Transparency International that inside Pakistan the ‘perception’ is that while corruption is down in Punjab, it has increased in places like Sind or Baluchistan.
    Wasiq writes:

    “Quite clearly the perception creators are Punjabi chauvinists who deem the “lowly” Sindhis and Baloch more corrupt than themselves. Ironically, there is more wealth – and vulgar display of wealth in Punjab—than in Sind and Baluchistan. We must all believe, as true believers in the ideology of Pakistan, that the Porsches and BMWs of the Chaudhries of Gujarat and the Sharifs of Raiwind are all legally obtained but the Pajeros of the Baloch and Pashtun Sardars are not. And, of course, the Sindhi Asif Zardari was “horrible’ for owning horses and feeding them apples (which, by the way, all horses are fed) but the Punjabi Sharifs are non-corrupt even when they own rare Siberian Tigers [Imported from Canada].”

    In a country where ordinary Punjabi military generals retire as multi-millionaires in US dollars,
    it is fascinating that the tarred word ‘corruption’ is associated, not with them, but is reserved exclusively for politicians from the Sind and Baluchistan.
    Thus, President Asif Ali Zardari has to live with the title “Mr. Ten Per Cent,” not because he has been convicted of the charge of corruption despite being interned for over ten years, but because the phrase has a sexy rhyme to it. It is repeated ad nauseam by the media who cannot comprehend anyone outside the Punjabi framework as being independently wealthy.

    Now those same elites are using Transparency International’s report on ‘perceptions’ to denigrate a democratically elected government in Pakistan that is dedicated to eliminate the jihadi threat to the country.

    According to Wasiq Ali, “The words of ‘transparency’ and ‘international’ are good attraction points to draw public attention in Pakistan because of vague political landscape. Nobody knows the modus operandi and the data collation procedures of TI. Publication of these reports thus mostly serves the purpose of the opposition to taint the governments especially in third world countries. During the 1990s TI reports were used against democratic governments and eventually to justify [General] Musharraf’s military takeover in October 1999.”

    He very correctly points out that “Transparency International has a local chapter in every country where it literally out-sources the task of compiling reports. The task is to interview local businessmen who first safeguard their business concerns, revitalize their vital connections, and try to milk these reports as much in their favour as possible.

    Like all developing countries, Pakistan too is faced with growth pangs, one them being corruption. It is the nature of the beast and even countries like Canada are not free of this aspect of the ‘free market’ principles of capitalism. Former Prime Ministers have been exposed as receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in brown envelopes. Bribes by their nature have two parties involved—the giver and the taker, both equally complicit in corruption.

    The fact that the Punjabi elite dominates all major businesses in Pakistan allows for a certain ethnic chauvinism, which then affects the compilation of these Transparency International reports and opinion surveys. However, it is only downright racism that suggest when a Punjabi politician imports a Siberian Tiger, he is an animal lover, but if Sindhi politician feeds his horse an apple, he is a guilty of corruption.

    As Wasiq Ali writes, “Interestingly the business elite which mostly hails from Punjab has brought the country to the brink of Balkanization by concentrating prosperity in one province while distributing misery around the country. This elite practically controls all resources of the country, mostly resides in Northern and Central Punjab and has often been the cause of major upheavals in the checkered history of Pakistan.”

    Pakistan broke up in 1971 due to the arrogance and racism of the country’s Punjabi elites towards dark-skinned Bengalis of East Pakistan. Today the next generation of Punjabi ruling class should recognize that if they do not recognize their faults, what is left of Pakistan will also splinter into many fragments leaving their prosperity landlocked and surrounded by hostile neighbours with wounded prides.

  103. #103 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 10:15 AM

    Omer

    A substantial chunk of his highly skilled labour has migrated to the UK, USA, Canada and other English speaking countries. So how do we get round this problem? It is not that Pakistan is not producing skilled labour; the problem is that the country is hell for honest, middle class young people who don’t come from a rich background. These people want to get out of Pakistan asap because they have no money, no sources, and they are too honest and straight to delve into crime.

    I dislike Pakistan’s feudal structure because of the political and social problems it creates. Economically speaking, there is no question that through innovation and encouraging a culture of metitocracy, Pakistan can invest in other sectors and become competitive in those sectors. Economics is a vicious circle- any change has knock on effects. There is plenty of skilled labour in Pakistan. Pakistanis are actually very talented and multi skilled people. However, if someone is from a feudal background, or is a relative of a big businessman or an Army officer etc, he will always get preference over someone who has no sources. That is why Pakistan has lost so much because of this brain drain. India also has problems of corruption, but they are not as pervasive as Pakistan. One of the reasons why India has prospered is because educated young Indians want to stay in India and help India, whereas Pakistanis want to get out asap.

    Again, it all boils down to this. India’s most powerful class is the middle class. They make policy, they call the shots. Even though they can be very corrupt, they know that the success of their country depends on this influx of more middle class people into those sectors where being competitive pays substantial dividends.

    You can say that being competitive in agriculture gives Pakistan an edge globally, but at the same time this feudal culture creates too many social and political problems. It is economically inefficient- there is no question about it. It creates more problems than it solves. Plus, agricultural products on the global market are the least profitable types of commodities. It can give you some kind of edge, but it doesn’t make you rich.

  104. #105 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 10:37 AM

    Jaswant calls Jinnah ‘great Indian’, blames Nehru for partition

    Walking in the footsteps of party senior LK Advani, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Jaswant Singh has called Pakistan’s founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah “a great Indian”, saying he was “demonised”.

    In an interview to CNN-IBN channel, the former external affairs minister blamed India’s first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru for the partition.

    “Nehru believed in a highly centralised polity. That’s what he wanted India to be. Jinnah wanted a federal polity. That even Gandhi accepted. Nehru didn’t. Consistently, he stood in the way of a federal India until 1947 when it became a partitioned India,” Jaswant Singh told Karan Thapar in Devil’s Advocate, which will be aired on CNN-IBN on Sunday and Monday.

    Jaswant Singh strongly contested the popular Indian view that Jinnah was the villain of the 1947 partition or the man principally responsible for it. Asked if he thought this view was wrong, Jaswant Singh said: “It is. It is not borne out of the facts… we need to correct it.”

    “I think we have misunderstood him because we needed to create a demon… We needed a demon because in the 20th century the most telling event in the subcontinent was the partition of the country,” Singh said.

    His praise for Jinnah comes ahead of the BJP’s three-day ‘Chintan Baithak’ (brainstorming session) to begin in Shimla on Aug 19.

    The BJP has also been maintaining that it has not changed its resolution on Jinnah that was adopted in 2005 against the backdrop of Advani’s visit to Pakistan and his comments appreciating Jinnah.

    Jaswant Singh, whose biography on Jinnah would be released on Monday, said he did not subscribe to the popular demonization of Jinnah and said he was attracted by the personality of the Pakistani leader.

    “Of course I don’t (subscribe to the popular demonization of Jinnah). To that I don’t subscribe. I was attracted by the personality which has resulted in a book. If I was not drawn to the personality I wouldn’t have written the book. It’s an intricate, complex personality, of great character, determination,” Singh said.

    Jaswant Singh also questioned the wisdom of Indians who hesitated to call Jinnah a great Indian.

    Asked if he views Jinnah as a great man, he said: “Oh yes, because he created something out of nothing and single handedly stood against the might of the Congress Party and against the British who didn’t really like him … Gandhi himself called Jinnah a great Indian. Why don’t we recognize that? Why don’t we see (and try to understand) why he called him that?”

    He said Jinnah was a nationalist leader. “He fought the British for an independent India but also fought resolutely and relentlessly for the interest of Muslims of India… the acme of his nationalistic achievement was the 1916 Lucknow Pact of Hindu-Muslim unity,” he said.

    “I admire certain aspects of his personality. His determination and the will to rise. He was a self-made man. Mahatma Gandhi was the son of a Diwan. All these (people) – Nehru and others – were born to wealth and position. Jinnah created for himself a position. He carved in Bombay, a metropolitan city, a position for himself. He was so poor he had to walk to work… he told one of his biographers there was always room at the top but there’s no lift. And he never sought a lift,” Singh said.

  105. #106 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 10:44 AM

    Nawaz Sharif said he wants Jinnah’s dream of come to fruition in Pakistan. He also said Musharraf has destroyed Jinnah’s vision.

    What a joke.

    Musharraf had more in common with Jinnah than any politician. Jinnah’s parents were not even born in the region that is “Pakistan”. Jinnah was not from Punjab, he was not a feudal, he was not rich, he was not a Mullah, and he was an honest and dedicated individual. Were he alive in Pakistan today, he would be in a very small and trivial minority.

  106. #107 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 10:58 AM

    Quaid e Azam’s will- declaring one part of his residuary estate to Aligarh Muslim University, one part to Islamia College Peshawar and one part to Sindh Madrassa Karachi.

    I wonder if he was racially biased against Punjab? He didn’t leave anything to Punjab? 🙂

  107. #108 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 11:29 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Saeed Anwar’s world record of 194 in an ODI innings has been equalled by C Coventry of Zimbabwe.

    http://www.cricinfo.com/zimvbdesh2009/engine/current/match/410340.html

  108. #109 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 16, 2009 - 11:34 AM

    LOL, only last week I was talking about Saeed Anwar’s record and how many people came closer to that and couldn’t break it, even today C. Coventry of Zimbabwe came very close to it and only equaled it and could not break it. Utseya the captain should have given him more balls to play instead he was scoring fours and twos and gave him the last ball to score 3 runs and Coventry managed only 2 to equal Saeed Anwar’s 12 year record.

  109. #110 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 16, 2009 - 12:25 PM

    khansahab

    The people behind Jinnah and Gandhi made them leaders of their respective countries, actually those who were behind them played more important roles.

    The Hindu and the British leaders not only wanted to create an Angel in Gandhi but, they also wanted to create a demon out of Jinnah. Like Jaswant Singh said: “we needed to create a demon… We needed a demon because in the 20th century the most telling event in the subcontinent was the partition of the country.”

    While the Muslim leaders in India were fully focused in creating Pakistan for the Muslims, the Muslim leaders in Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and NWFP did not want Pakistan and straight away opposed it vehemently (with the exception of the current Pir Pagara’s father who was killed by the British Army on the grounds of treason), because they thought it will weaken or nullify their feudal lordship and they did not want to lose it. And even after the creation of Pakistan they succeeded in maintaining their feudalism and their rule. Now they talk about Pakistan as the dream of Allama Iqbal was from Sialkot. At that time they never said, we will make Iqbal’s dream a reality.

    Besides, it was not just Iqbal’s dream, those who are actually behind the concept of creating Pakistan for the Muslims of India are not even mentioned in the history books of Pakistan. People like Shaukat Ali and Mohammad Ali Jauhar are just an example.

    Lord Mountbatten and C. Rajgopalachari were involved in the partition plan and gave the Muslims of India a truncated country in the name of East Pakistan and West Pakistan they could have done better by giving the whole of Punjab and Kashmir to the Muslims or, even some northern parts of the present day province of India called Uttar Pradesh and Himachal Pradesh. But, that didn’t happen because the intentions were to create something fragile, that could not and should not last long. They were right within 24 years East Pakistan became Bangladesh courtesy India and most importantly the Punjabis of Pakistan.

    The so-called Badshah Khan or Ghaffar Khan wanted a total independent Pukhtoonistan but, neither the Congress Party nor the British Rulers looked at that proposal seriously. Even after a year of partition i.e., in 1948 the Baluchi Sardars from Baluchistan, Pakistan went to New Delhi asking the Congress Party and the British Raj remains to include them on the Indian side and that too was not taken seriously. It was either an oversight or a blessing that did not happen. But, the Baluchis showed their loyalties towards India and not with Pakistan, hence the mighty Punjab politicians never gave Baluchistan their due share. In fact they did nothing for the rest of the Pakistan except for the upper Punjab.

    Karachi was developed by the Muslim businessmen from India who migrated to Pakistan with rich business acumen and experience and made Karachi a diversified industry based city, which had a natural harbour and they built a sea port and different industires and later the Punjabi industrialists realizing the importance of the city started moving into Karachi from Faisalabad and other cities of Punjab and ruined it, and ZA Bhutto’s nationalization was a last straw on the camel’s back.

  110. #111 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 1:15 PM

    Javed A Khan

    You have mentioned about Allama Iqbal, who is a widely respect figure in Pakistan and in fact his reputation is almost saint-like.
    People consider him as the person who dreamt about Pakistan one night and then it was Allah’s will so this miracle of independence occurred. Hence, Iqbal is automatically considered to be some kind of Messiah or saint.

    I don’t want to undermine Iqbal’s tremendous efforts, but I see him only as a good writer and intellectual, but not as a statesman. That is because from impartial sources I have read about him and he does not appear as saintly as we are made to believe in Pakistan.

    Firstly, the struggle for a Muslim state started in India even before Iqbal “dreamt” about it that “famous night”, whenever it was dreamt. (It was not a dream per se- it’s just a manner of speech to say “he dreamt it”). Secondly, the donkey work of this movement was carried out at Aligarh University. Thirdly, I have read Iqbal’s addresses to Muslim leaders of Punjab where he is persuading them to join Jinnah because Jinnah, in Iqbal’s opinion, was the only man who was principled and resolute enough to see Pakistan being created. Iqbal’s idea was for the current Pakistani Punjab and current Indian Punjab to be one state for Muslims (it almost seems like he was telling the Punjabi leaders to strike while the iron is hot so that Punjab could get a country of its own with Punjabi domination). The Pushtoons, Baluchis and Sindhis were opposed to Partition at that time by and large.

    Iqbal was a great thinker and philosopher but as someone who believes Pakistan is for Indian Muslims are much as Punjabis, Pathans and Sindhis, I cannot respect him like how most Pakistanis respect him. He should have thought about the Muslims in U.P who did most of the donkey work in terms of protesting, mobilising the Muslim nawabs, officers etc. The Partition movement did not begin from Lahore and move eastwards- it was the other way round. So Allama Iqbal should have spared a thought for those people on the east who really wanted Pakistan desperately as they were living under domination of Hindus.

  111. #112 by Awas on August 16, 2009 - 2:38 PM

    Javed

    Thanks a million. You are just being kind 🙂

  112. #113 by Awas on August 16, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    Many politicians, scholars, thinkers had a role to play in the creation of Pakistan. There is no doubt that Jinnah had the most prominent role to play in the creation of Pakistan and even before that all those from Aligarh University who were the real force behind it all. Allama Iqbal like many other leaders had their role to play and they are all important in their own right. Iqbal’s was to mobilise Muslim leaders in Punjab then that matters too.

    As Javed mentions people like Shaukat Ali and Mohammad Ali Jauhar are prime examples who played such important roles and before that “father” of them all Sir Syed Ahmed Khan is also hailed as a founding father of Pakistan for his role in developing a Muslim political class independent of Hindu-majority organisations. Aligarh University created out of MAO College was his brainchild and creation from where many such leaders hailed who had a big hand to play in this movement.

    I think everyone is aware of that and the movement of people from Aligarh University because that’s all in the annals of history. When leaders of other provinces joined Aligarh movement belatedly then that still matters as the movement became nationwide for it to become successful. So, saints or no saints, all such leaders have special place in history in their own right and respected as such.

  113. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 16, 2009 - 3:07 PM

    Awas

    My being kind does not change the facts and it will not change you as well. So, accept it. 😀

    As regards Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, the reason I did not include him among those who are considered as principal leaders in the creation of Pakistan is because during his time there was no concept of Pakistan, he was indeed very much in creating awareness among the masses in trying to motivate them to study English language in order to deal with the British. He was the father of the Khilafat Movement, but not for the creation of Pakistan.

    Also, it is a known fact that Jinnah as a lawyer was more competent than his adversaries, Nehru and Gandhi both.

    Here is an excerpt from the book by Harbinder Pal Singh *PARTITION AND SIKH LEADERSHIP* A look at pre-1947 leadership of Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus.

    “The Congress was led by two important Hindu leaders, namely, M K Gandhi and Jawahar Lal Nehru, who despite being advocates, had little experience of legal practice at the Bar. Of course, Gandhi had practised law for a few years during the initial period of his career, in South Africa, prior to his return to India in 1916, but Nehru never practised after completing his legal education, with the result that both of them were incompetent and ineffective to counteract and neutralize the arguments involving the subtleties of constitutional law advanced by their highly proficient and experienced adversary, M A Jinnah.”

  114. #115 by Awas on August 16, 2009 - 3:20 PM

    Javed

    It is true that Sir Syed Ahmed Khan never came up with an idea of a separate nation but his work especially Aligarh University gave rise to a new generation of Muslim intellectuals and politicians who composed the Aligarh Movement to secure the political future of Muslims in India. He denounced nationalist organisations such as Congress.

    That is why he is also hailed as a founding father of Pakistan purely for his role in developing a Muslim political class independent of Hindu-majority organisations. So, he was a pioneer in developing that thought process.

  115. #116 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 6:06 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Yes, Jinnah was a lawyer par excellence. He is still the youngest ever Indian to have been admitted at Lincoln’s Inn. I have said before on this blog that whether he was a hero or a villain, he was an extremely clever man and with a mind like that, you are bound to get somewhere.

    He was also a very principled man. Most of his cases he would not charge his clients if he lost the case. He also did not charge most of his poor clients. However when he won a case, he would charge a hefty amount. That is how he amassed his wealth.

  116. #117 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 6:17 PM

    Awas

    Yes, I agree about Sir Syed. I don’t know much about him but he was a founding father of Aligarh University and of course, that university gave courage to millions of Muslims to raise their profile and “be heard”.

    Aligarh University is now a very mediocre institution unfortunately. Now it is only known for its historical significance, but the standard of teaching is very ordinary.

  117. #118 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 7:57 PM

    Omer

    I am not disagreeing with anything you say. Pakistan does not have that kind of labour market India has. The reason is lack of education. Agriculture is also one of India’s dominant sectors, but the land owners are powerless and even the ones who have some kind of official capacity, they are merely rubber stampers. Plus, as I have said before, all these people in Indian call centres are graduates and a lot of them don’t want to leave India. Whereas in Pakistan, everyone wants to leave, if they can. It all comes back to this argument that economics is a vicious circle and one cog of his circle (feudalism) can impact another cog, such as your labour market (although many other factors also impact, some to a greater degree). The landlords in Pakistan don’t want the village children going to schools because their culture is so conservative that it is considered disgraceful for the feudal lord if any of his “subjects” becomes more aware and knowledgeable than him. How can you have a labour market for international companies if you have this kind of culture in your villages?

    I accept that point about Adam Smith’s invisible hand and how that guides the entrepreneur, but this is all subject to a total laissez faire economic policy. There is considerable government intervention in Pakistan politics and economics. Again, it is a vicious circle because decisions are made under the orders of the feudal classes, so they don’t naturally encourage a lot of innovation, initiative or incentive for the skilled labourer who might be able to create a SONY tv from bits and pieces.

    Look at all the emerging economies of Asia (India, China, Taiwan etc). None of them have this kind of feudal structure Pakistan has. Sindhi and Punjabi culture is infused with feudal concepts and feudal ideologies. You see that mentality in the way fat Punjabi Choudharies walk, or the way Sindhis drive their Pajeros etc- like they own the goddamned place. India and China both feature dominant agricultural sectors, but they don’t have this dominant feudal system complementing this agriculture. So, you can’t say for certain that being competitive in argiculture means feudalism has to work the way it has been working.

    That is precisely why we need land reforms. For more than 2 decades land reform proposals have been introduced in Parliament, but the democratic PPP and PML N have declined those proposals because they basically function because of feudalism. This dictator you hate tried to encourage these reforms in 2002, but his proposals were defeated again. So, land reform is one way we can separate agricultural expertise with this system where owning land gives an individual too much power which is openly and blatantly abused. Maybe the government can buy land off the feudals and give them monthly remuneration for as long as they live. Maybe the councils of urban centres can purchase the feudal-owned lands in their vicinity. These could be ways forward.

  118. #119 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 8:21 PM

    Omer

    Yes, but I wonder how they will be able to do that in Karachi. As far as I am aware, most of these biggies in Karachi who own industries are Punjabi feudals anyway. It’s one big vicious circle. There are also Memon biggies but they don’t invest because they want to save it for tomorrow 🙂

    Pakistan definitely needs more brains in the bureaucracy. Honestly I don’t see a practical way out of the mess.

  119. #120 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 8:29 PM

    Omer

    As far as I’ve heard the Memon doesn’t even trust the bank. He saves everything in this safe in his mansion and he protects it 24 hours a day 🙂

  120. #121 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 8:34 PM

    Omer

    My mother keeps a check on everything I do. If I obtain credit she will see some kind of correspondence or something and she will know what I am up to. I can’t even go anywhere without her knowing where I am going and mostly, she has to drive me to wherever I am going.

    It’s too easy in America man. The land of opportunities, horny girls from around the world etc. Here most pretty girls you will see will be wearing a hijab.

  121. #122 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 8:52 PM

    Omer

    Let’s just say you don’t know how my parents are like. Too much risk and they’re too protective man.

    There are only 2 kinds of girls here- white and Punjabi. There were some hot girls in my law school but all had boyfriends. Plus, some of them are very classy and they will not cheat. I never directly asked anyone but I have got to know from others.

    I liked 2 Punjabi girls but they are the ones who will not say yes to anyone. So I’m kinda stuck.

  122. #123 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:02 PM

    Omer

    I HAVE a credit card.

    The good looking girls I liked in the recent past either had boyfriends or they were Punjabi. And yes, apart from Punjabis there were mostly whites in my law school. There were a few black and Chinese girls, but I didn’t like them that much.

    I’m very choosy about the girls I like. Some girls have liked me and if I was desperate I would say yes. They need to look a certain way for me to like them. And unlike America I don’t have hot Latinos or Italians or Arabs or what not here. Even the white girls were very classy and not the types who sleep around.

  123. #124 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:02 PM

    I am done with law school yeah and Inshallah I will start work soon. But I have a few more exams before that.

  124. #125 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:05 PM

    Omer

    When you come to Manchester I will show you around and you will see how difficult life is for a guy like me. It is little Punjab here man, it is difficult to bed good looking Punjabi girls in Punjab unless you are a Choudhary or an exceptionally handsome fella. I am neither.

  125. #126 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:12 PM

    Yaar I’m saying they didn’t cheat on their BF’s.

    Plus they had such a nice opinion of me, that I am a very intelligent and honest and nice guy, who would consider every girl his sister. I wear glasses and have an innocent face so people think I am the type of guy who can’t do much wrong. They were so sweet and nice to me that asking them for sex seemed very wrong. They would have hated me for it.

  126. #127 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:15 PM

    Omer

    Technically I graduated in 2007 with a Law degree. Then for 1 year I worked in a call centre because the course I have just finished had very high fees and I didn’t want my family to pay all of it. In 2008 I did this course which I have finished now; it’s a compulsory course for lawyers. There are still 2 years of training left that I need to do at a law firm. Provided that goes smoothly it will take me 7 years to become a lawyer. It takes longer to become a lawyer than to become a doctor, in the UK.

    I won’t recommend anyone doing Law in the UK. Apart from respect, you get nothing from it. There is no peace of mind, you have to work like a dog and it doesn’t pay as well as Medicine, Dentistry or Accountancy. I don’t want people to respect me, I just want peace of mind which I don’t know when I will get. And this course I’ve just finished now, it’s filled with exams after every few weeks. You feel so burned out at the end. It’s hell.

  127. #128 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:25 PM

    Omer

    The USA system is more sensible and flexible. In the UK you need to do an undergraduate degree. That lasts a minimum of 3 years. Then you have to do a year’s full time course at a specialist course provider, who will charge you extortionate amounts of money and rob your ass off. And then you do 2 years training with a firm, like an internship. So as a minimum it takes you 6 years.

    We use different terms in the UK. I finished high school at 16 when I did my GCSE’s, or O Levels. Then I spent 2 years doing A- levels at a college which was different to the school. That is where I did Accountancy, Economics, Government & Politics and English Literature and that is where I got to know my laissez faire and my Adam Smith. And then I did 3 years at university (which in USA is “college”) and I studed Law there. And now what I have been doing, is like a phase between Law School at university and practice, but the place I have done it from, is also called a “Law School” because it’s a specialist law course provider.

  128. #129 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:27 PM

    Omer

    You only earn a lot if you are in the top 10%. Of course, the PCB will not instruct a firm that is not reputable in sports law. It is like finding a needle in a haystack if you want to be in the top 10%, like in every field I guess.

  129. #130 by Awas on August 16, 2009 - 9:37 PM

    khansahab & Omer

    If you ever need a top 10% tax advisor come to me but unfortunately whatever I earn is taken by the solicitors.

  130. #131 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:38 PM

    And by the way Omer, there is no guarantee that one gets this internship. I had to spend 3 years finding it and even now there is no guarantee. Even if I fail one exam, I will lose it. The tragedy is that 1/3rd of all students fail this course I have just done. And all of the students were bright. At this stage you don’t get dumb and clueless people- they are all intelligent and hardworking.

    So that’s why the legal career is a bit of a lottery. Accounting is much better because you study and work at the same time. Here, I could have done this year’s full time course, and then potentially not have a job at the end. There are people in my position who are in about £25,000 debt (about $42,000) which they have spent trying to become lawyers, but many of them will not even have a lawyer’s job at the end because finding a job is so difficult.

  131. #132 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:39 PM

    Awas

    They take everything from you because they work twice as hard as you and earn about half as much only 🙂

  132. #133 by Awas on August 16, 2009 - 9:44 PM

    khansahab

    Yeah…right!!!

    And here is another thing, solicitors always take sides with their own kind 😦

  133. #134 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:45 PM

    Omer

    Yes, UK barristers working in the Commercial sector earn millions per year potentially. But these barristers constitute about 1% of the total lawyers in the country. It is common for them earn like £3000 in one hour.

  134. #135 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:47 PM

    Awas

    It is called “vakeelon di giyareenbandi…..” Actually to make it sound more realistic we should add a “Pench*d” before the “vakeelon”….

    🙂

  135. #136 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:49 PM

    Omer

    Accountants here get big respect and big bucks. And accounting is a VERY difficult subject. Yeah I agree it is extremely boring, but it was the most difficult non-science subject in my college. Generally in the UK if you have nothing to do you end up doing teaching, business or law 🙂 Law in fact is the “B.Com” of UK 🙂

    Lawyers do what their clients tell them to. When lawyers lie, they are really forwarding their clients’ wishes. Lawyers are human beings too and it is in human nature to lie, to exaggerate, to emphasise and to manipulate. That is why I marvel at people when they say Law is a bad profession because you have to lie.
    Everyone lies in their own capacity- accountants, doctors, risk surveyors, businessmen etc. So why is it a problem if lawyers do it?

    Lawyers get this thick Code of Conduct book. Plus in the UK we have these impartial agencies that monitor lawyers to see what they are doing. It is very difficult to lie and get away with it. Hundreds of lawyers are struck off from the lawyers register every year for some kind of malpractice. Unfortunately a significant proportion of them are Pakistanis.

  136. #137 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 9:57 PM

    Omer

    How good a lawyer you are, is not learned from law books. You have to achieve the best result for your client without doing anything illegal or being dishonest. There are 100 ways of saying something. Those who know how to say it the most persuasively and effectively are the ones who get paid accordingly.
    Plus, a well earning lawyer is also one who manages his time most effectively. If you can do a lot of work in a small amount of time, you will do well. Most cases barristers get in courts are like, they only get their briefing a few hours before the trial or hearing and they have to do a lot of work in that time.

    That is why they get paid so much.

  137. #138 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 10:07 PM

    Omer

    Yes, those in Corporate sector earn a lot, but then it’s extremely hard to get to that stage and you need to be very clever. That twisting and turning will help once you have found the goddamned job. Many “lawyers” see their careers end even before they can get to this stage where one can “play” with words.

    In order for you to be where those Lehmann lawyers were, you probably need to speak English very well, you need to have an extremely sharp mind. You need to be cunning and you always need to be one step ahead of everyone else. You would need to be so sharp that people would abuse you for it. And you need to go to a top 3 or top 5 university, and you would need to attend a private school from infancy. So you would need to be from a rich family.

    I am NOT saying you are not what I have written above because you are clearly bright, but for example, I did not go to a private school here in the UK so that is a big disadvantage. Most barristers here went to either Oxford or Cambridge and you have to be 1 in a million to get into those universities on merit. Most people consider me very lucky because I managed to get an interview at Oxford (which I did not pass, unsurprisingly).

  138. #139 by khansahab on August 16, 2009 - 10:08 PM

    OK dude now I’m going, it’s studying time although I am sure I will be sleeping in 1 hour!

  139. #140 by M. Y. Kasim. on August 16, 2009 - 11:33 PM

    I am sorry to say that you guys have your history a little bit wrong. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan WAS actually the first Muslim leader to realise that to live under British rule and fight for their rights, they have to acquire modern education and compete with other religious and ethnic groups-particularly- Hindus, otherwise they will be marginalised.

    That is how, he started MAO College and eventually converted it into Aligarh Muslim University. At that time, there was no question of seperate or independent state for Muslims or Pakistan. Even Mr. Jinnah was not anywhere on the scene.

    Another point. Moulana Mohammed Ali Jouhar and his brother Shoukat Ali were leaders of Khilafat Movement. At that time also, no Pakistan movement was launched.

    Allama Iqbal was one of the greatest Poets and Philosophers and was highly respected even outside India. The only reason he was not awarded Nobel Prize was that Ravindra Nath Tagore had already been accorded that honor and, to my way of thinking, his poetry had more awakening message to the downcast and demoralised Muslims of then India, which was not in line with those who control Noble Prize. A prime example of this is continuos overlook of Mr. Abdus Sattar Edhi while other less deserving people are honored!

    And finally, more than anybody else, the people of Bengal were in the fore front in the struggle for Pakistan. They were the most deprived and denied Majority under Hindu Minority. It was Sher-e-Bengal Moulvi Fazlul Haque who roared like a lion and it was HE who proposed the Pakistan Resolution at Lahore on 23rd March 1940 and it WAS Mr G. M. SYED of Sind who seconded it! The young Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti was also to vote for it!

    It is travestry of HISTORY that who created the country were labeled as TRAITORS and who opposed it have usurped it.

    Those Million of Memons, who migrated alongwith their forfathers’ savings and experience in trade, commerce and indsustries in the hope of finally bring prosperity to their fellow Muslim brothers were rididuled, abused and ultimately robbed of their wealth in the name of “greater national interest” and ruined all their efforts.

  140. #141 by Shoaib on August 16, 2009 - 11:36 PM

    Guys its just a game , chill buddies, sometiems we win sometimes we lose, its a part of game, just one country wins world cup rest of go with nothing. as far as controversies are concerned, its the part of our country, from president to a street worker, every one is corrupt, so what is such a big deal if cricketers are not sincere or they are corrupt, least still its just a game, isint? what if president of the country is not honest with the nation and country………

  141. #142 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 12:05 AM

    Omer

    I was pretty pathetic at the interview. There was a Jewish guy, a European guy whose accent I couldn’t understand and an Indian guy. And we had a communication gap 🙂 But I was stupid, inexperienced and immature then.

  142. #143 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 12:06 AM

    Shoaib

    You have a big heart man. It’s just a game but some of us see it like a matter of life and death. The game runs in the blood.

    And yeah, everyone in Pakistan is chor daaku. Sharam nahi aati saalon ko, apney aap ko Muslim kehtay hain.

  143. #144 by Shoaib on August 17, 2009 - 12:15 AM

    Javed Sahab

    its nothing wrong to do Tableeg in dressing room

  144. #145 by Shoaib on August 17, 2009 - 12:18 AM

    Khan sahab aap kaisey hey? 😀

  145. #146 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 12:21 AM

    Hi Shoaib

    Allah ka shukar hain. Soney ka waqt ho gaya 🙂

    Do you know Shahzaib Hassan Khan by the way?

  146. #147 by Shoaib on August 17, 2009 - 12:31 AM

    Khan sahab kaisey hey aap?

    Khansahab I am a qualified professional accountant but not even got a single interview call since i am here in uk from last 6 years, disgraceful, i was so annoyed that i started applying as a trainee accountant but they still didnt call me :)) so i dont think in UK accountants have any respect or they have big pockets inside their coats. anyway take care man.

  147. #148 by Shoaib on August 17, 2009 - 12:32 AM

    Khan sahab,

    how do you know that i know shahzeb Hassan Khan

  148. #149 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 17, 2009 - 4:38 AM

    Guys

    I never disputed or disagreed Sir Syed Ahmad Khan’s contribution for India in general and for Indian Muslims in particular. The only thing I tried to highlight in my previous comment is: he was from a different era and different time line, (1817 – to – 1898) hence I did not include him among the later generation of politicians who were alive at the time when the quit India movement started, till the time the partition of India took place.

    His contribution is priceless and he was indeed the pioneer in creating awareness, he was a visionary and an educationist first and a politician, modern religious reformist, mentor etc. etc.. In fact the first organization he started was Muhammedan Anglo-Oriental College which later became Aligarh University. He was very active in the Indian Rebellion or the 1857 “Ghadar” that was launched against the British Raj.

  149. #150 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 17, 2009 - 4:40 AM

    Shoaib

    Don’t we all say and agree that there is a place and time for everything? Love is great, but you don’t make love in the living room in front of your family members.

    You don’t eat food in the toilet and you don’t take a shower in your front yard or, do you? So, why not keep sports separate from religion? Why discriminate someone who does not have a beard? Those who have a beard think they are the owners and “thakaydaar” of religion and those who don’t are Farangis. Who gave them this right? Just because we accept them with their beard and their Abaya or Utangi Shalwar or pyjama, why can’t they accept others who don’t believe in the superficial appearance.

    Islam is not just about minarets or for those people who grow beard or wear that attention seeking dress, it is not for Arabs only it is for everyone who believe in the 5 pillars of Islam and practice them, the rest is trivial. I am not trying to argue with you or trying to make a point, but simply expressing my point of view. If you think it is OK to preach religion in the dressing room and not discuss the strategy or game plan then, why bother playing? There are mosques and other places where they can discuss religion or preach others.

    Btw, what exactly do they preach in those Tableeghi missions?

  150. #151 by Mohammed Munir on August 17, 2009 - 6:20 AM

    Aha, it’s a joke !!

    Of all the super stars of cricketing world, someone form a minnow team like Zimbabwe has scored 194 and that too against another minnow Bangladesh. Miserable, and definitely bad for cricket, I would say. Further, seeing Zimbabwe loosing from such a position and Bangladesh able to reach 313 runs in less then 48 overs and with four wickets in hand was another sorry drama.

    Saeed Anwar scored his marvelous and still unbeaten 194 against an arch rival India and both teams were a proper cricketing nations, well respected and highly regarded in their respective rights, not some minnows.

    The important issue as of who can break this record and reach first double hundred in an ODI ? The fact is that Sir Viv Richards would have scored a double hundred long before anyone else, had we played 60 overs ODIs in his days. Richards scored 189 n.o. against England in a 55 Overs match and five more overs would have been more then enough for him to reach the golden mark (In another match Richards also scored 181 in a 50 overs game against Sri Lanka, but he got out toward the end overs).

    Well cricket today has changed and a lot of this credit goes to the introduction of T20. These days teams easily reach 300+ scores and even a score as high as 300+ is not guaranteed a winning one and the opposing teams can reach this target. This is also supported by the introduction of new minor teams competing against the top cricketing teams and it will be totally unfair if someone scores a double century against minnows like Canada, Hong Kong, Scotland, Denmark, Canada, Kenya, Zimbabwe, or any other such teams.

    Having said this, in my opinion, an individual score of a double hundred by any single player in an ODI is around the corner and we have many serious contenders for achieving this milestone. Following are a few names which have a real chance of reaching 200 in an ODI.

     Chris Gayle

     Brendon McCullum

     MS Dhoni

     Yuvraj Singh

     Hershell Gibbs

     Gautam Gambhir

     Shahid Afridi (although he does like to play a long innings)

     Imran Nazir

     And oh yes, C.K. Coventry of Zimbabwe against Bangladesh 😉

    Finally here is a short list of the highest individual scores in an ODI by any batman….

    Most runs in an innings …

    Player – Runs – Balls – Opposition

    CK Coventry
    194* 156 v Bangladesh

    Saeed Anwar
    194 146 v India

    IVA Richards
    189* 170 v England

    ST Jayasuriya
    189 161 v India

    G Kirsten
    188* 159 v U.A.E.

    SR Tendulkar
    186* 150 v New Zealand

    MS Dhoni
    183* 145 v Sri Lanka

    SC Ganguly
    183 158 v Sri Lanka

    ML Hayden
    181* 166 v New Zealand

    IVA Richards
    181 125 v Sri Lanka

    N Kapil Dev
    175* 138 v Zimbabwe

    HH Gibbs
    175 111 v Australia

    ME Waugh
    173 148 v West Indies

    CB Wishart
    172* 151 v Namibia

    AC Gilchrist
    172 126 v Zimbabwe

    L Vincent
    172 120 v Zimbabwe

    GM Turner
    171* 201 v East Africa

    DJ Callaghan
    169* 143 v New Zealand

    BC Lara
    169 129 v Sri Lanka

    RA Smith
    167* 163 v Australia

    BB McCullum
    166 135 v Ireland

    RT Ponting
    164 105 v South Africa

    SR Tendulkar
    163* 133 v New Zealand

    AC Hudson
    161 132 v Netherlands

    JAH Marshall
    161 141 v Ireland

    Imran Nazir
    160 121 v Zimbabwe

    PS: I think there should be a separate records for minnows and any records against such teams should not hold good and must not be equated with records made against top teams.

  151. #152 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 8:47 AM

    Shoaib

    I have been doing a little spying and discovered you know Shahzaib Hassan Khan. 🙂

    So plz tell us how you know him and what he is like?

  152. #153 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 8:54 AM

    Butt begins probe into SL defeats

    Saturday, August 15, 2009
    By By our correspondent

    KARACHI: Pakistan captain Younis Khan had a meeting with cricket board chief Ijaz Butt here on Friday and asked him to give him more powers in team matters.
    According to sources, Younis had a candid meeting with the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman and also informed him that some of the national team players did not perform up to the mark during the disastrous tour of Sri Lanka.

    Pakistan lost in both the Test and one-day series against the Sri Lankans.There have been reports in the national media that some of the senior players intentionally under-performed in a bid to bring about Younis’ downfall as Pakistan captain.

    According to sources, Butt gave Younis full opportunity to give him his side of the story. The PCB chief also met with team coach Intikhab Alam and manager Yawar Saeed on their return from Sri Lanka. He asked Yawar whether rumours of discord within the national team were true, said another source.

    Butt also had one-to-one meetings with other national team players. On Thursday, Butt said at a press conference that he would take some steps regarding the series defeats in Sri Lanka after carrying out a probe.

  153. #154 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 8:56 AM

    Former greats to help Pakistan players in CT preparations

    Karachi: Pakistan will utilise the services of former greats Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar for a strong preparation of the Champions Trophy in South Africa, captain Younus Khan said.
    Younus told reporters that a week long conditioning camp for the Champions Trophy will start in mid-September and the former captains will work on the “small weaknesses” of the players.

    “This camp we will have former greats like Javed Miandad, Saeed Anwar and Waqar Younis work with the players to prepare them for the mega event. They can work on the small nitty gritty weaknesses of the players,” Younus said. Miandad was on Thursday appointed as batting consultant by the Pakistan Cricket Board and will travel with the team to South Africa.

    Younis said he had advised the PCB not to have a long conditioning camp before Champions Trophy because the holy month of fasting, Ramazan, would start soon and the players need rest or they would burn out before the major event.

    He also disclosed that he had asked the PCB to arrange at least two counseling sessions for the players with a sports psychologist before the Champions Trophy.

    “There is no doubt players are having problems adjusting mentally in pressure situations and developing self belief in close matches. We had a couple of sessions with a sports psychologist before the Twenty20 World Cup and it helped us win the title,” he said.

    Younus made it clear that he had no issues with the senior players in the team and would give them a fair chance even if they were struggling.

    Whether it is Misbah-ul-Haq, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf I don’t believe in dropping them just on the basis of few bad performances,” he said.

    “I believe if a player is to be dropped or rested he must be given a fair chance to prove himself,” said Younus who will be leaving for England on a charity drive for the displaced people of Swat.

    Asked when he would want to quit playing ODIs, Younus said, “I want to make a graceful retirement after winning the 2011 World Cup for Pakistan. I want to go out just like Imran Khan or Inzamam-ul-Haq did. People still remember them fondly and respect them and that is the way I want to retire after leading the team to a big victory.”

  154. #155 by Shoaib on August 17, 2009 - 10:59 AM

    @Javed Sahab,
    what do they preach?
    They told you how to submit your will to Allah, (that means crafty cricketers stop doing their mischiefs)
    They told you pray 5 times a day and its not Tableegi or inzamam’s culture its Allah’s command. (keep cricketers peaceful even in crusial situations)
    They told you to be united and spread out brotherhood culture (Shoaib Malik and Misbah’s problem can be resolved by this)
    I think Pakistan team dont need a psychologist, they can do much better if they can bring Islam in their lives and work.

    Javed Sahab i agree with you that you cannot do certain things in certain places but Islam is not a ‘thing’ it is a complete method to spend a life. if cricketers can make dirty jokes in dressing room and talk about girls or they can talk about West indies white beaches and nudity, if they can do all the stupid things in dressing room then whats wrong if one of them comes in and say lets pray its the prayer time or lets make a ‘Duaa’ before game starts.

    We accepted them with their appearance lol sounds funny, sorry Javed Sahab didnt mean to make a joke of that but yeah may be in this modern world we all forgot Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) appearance.

    we cannot judge people on their appearances, Javed Sahab Clean Shave Fashion started in the late 19th century. before that 90% of the world’s muslim community was with beard, even most brutel and unjust rulers were with beard. why now a days we expect that a person with beard should be the best amongst us, there would be some people with islamic appearance which dont follow islam properly and look down upon the people who have different appearance from them but again its not the fault of Islam or Islamic preachers. It’s someone’s own way of thinking…

    Javed Sahab you are correct that some people with Islamic appearance look down upon people without beard, i practically experience this after Friday Sermon when people meet out side mosque for a quick chat, i found them different with me but at the same time they were ok with my bro in law(as he had a beard).

    i will finish my writing with Sheikh Ahmed Deedat quotation that if a drunk driver hits BMW in your drive way and dented the car then is it BMW’s fault or the driver’s?

  155. #156 by Shoaib on August 17, 2009 - 11:04 AM

    Khan Sahab,

    Don’t know much about Shazaib, he is just one of my online friends. we have had little conversations. Once i mentioned him his floppy shots, he didnt respond and went offline :D, so i didnt ask that question again, i knew thats what you interested to ask that if i have asked him about his floppy shots lol

  156. #157 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 11:39 AM

    PM Gilani wants Butt’s removal: Sources

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    Karachi: Pakistan Cricket Board may soon see some changes in its higher ranks as Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani wants PCB’s chief patron, President Asif Ali Zardari to replace a few officials, including chairman Ejaz Butt.

    Well placed sources aware of the developments taking place in Islamabad, said that the Prime Minister had sent a brief on the cricket affairs and suggested changes to the President two weeks ago.

    “Gilani has suggested replacing the chairman and some other officials in the board as he feels PCB has not achieved anything worthwhile since Butt took charge last October,” one source said.

    Butt last week insisted that he enjoyed the confidence of the President and government in heading the cricket board and there was no truth in rumours that he was going to be replaced.

    Butt also insisted that the day President lost confidence in him he would step down himself without wasting a moment.

    Butt’s close relatives are influential figures in the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party and hold key positions in the government and are also close to President Zardari.

    “That is one reason behind Butt was chosen to head the cricket affairs in the first place since he is also a former Test player and has previous administrative experience in cricket matters,” another source said.

    The source also revealed that Prime Minister Gilani’s brief was prepared after he took a complete briefing from the sports ministry, which is also not very happy with Butt’s performance.

    To complicate matters, relations between Butt and PCB’s chief operating officer Saleem Altaf have also gone sour.

  157. #158 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 11:41 AM

    Dravid says has nothing to prove after ODI recall

    CHENNAI: Former India captain Rahul Dravid has nothing to prove to his critics and says he is just glad to be back in the one-day side.

    Dravid has been recalled for next month’s tri-series in Sri Lanka, which also includes New Zealand, and the Champions Trophy in South Africa.

    The 36-year-old’s last one-day appearance was in October 2007 before selectors dropped him to blood a more youthful side with an eye on the 2011 World Cup.

    ‘I have never played my cricket that way, wanting to prove a point,’ Dravid told Deccan Herald newspaper on Monday.

    ‘To me, it’s about trying your best to be the best you can be, day after day, in whichever format you are playing and for whichever team you are playing.’

    Dravid is only the second Indian after Sachin Tendulkar to score over 10,000 runs in test and one-day cricket.

    A young Indian batting unit struggled against short-pitched bowling at the Twenty20 World Cup in England in June, forcing Indian selectors to go back to Dravid in the one-day format with explosive Virender Sehwag injured.

    ‘It’s nice to be back, I am very happy,’ Dravid said.

    The tri-series in Sri Lanka will be held from Sept. 8-14, while the Champions Trophy runs from September 22 – October 5. — Reuters

  158. #159 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 17, 2009 - 1:51 PM

    Munir

    I had posted these ODI highest runs record here on LS last week only and discussed Saeed Anwar’s record also how others could not break it i.e., I think we talked after Umer Akmal scored a century while Shahid Afridi actually helped him in achieving it. Whereas, for others the batsman on field wanted to score more runs for himself………. check that out. In this case also had Utseya taken a single instead of a four and a two he would have given Coventry a few more balls to break that record, anyways records are meant to be broken. So, if not yesterday some other day, someone else will break it and it will be sooner than later.

  159. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 17, 2009 - 2:23 PM

    Shoaib

    Where did I say that Islam is a thing?
    I never said that, in fact you, yourself have said to make a point that Islam is not a thing but a complete method to spend life (actually its a way of life and not a method to spend life). So, please don’t try to put words in my mouth or make them appear that I have said that.

    I disagree with this notion that one needs to discuss religion in the dressing room to remain more pious or more focused on the game or the players become super players if they come out and pray on the grass in front of the thousands of spectators or to be seen on the TV by millions.

    Like, when you give charity the left hand gives and the right hand knows not, similarly you pray for yourself and not to show-off to the whole world. You pray in congregation at mosques or, at religious, social, cultural gathering of Muslims, not in a non-Muslim environment and right there in front of everyone showing how religious we are or how united we are? Inzamam’s men could have easily prayed inside the dressing room rather than showing off at the ground just before the start of the match.

    Do you think the Pakistani Muslims would have appreciated, or will they appreciate if the Indian Hindu players when they play against Pakistan bring the statues of their Deities and Gods and worship on the ground just before the start of the match? We have zero tolerance on this and we try preaching others.

    About shaving beards, imagine if you have to shave everyday with a blunt knife and a sword and that too everyday, will you shave? I wouldn’t. So, in those days if they had this Gillette Mac 5 super blades and the foams and gels or electric shavers to smooth out, then most of them would have been shaving regularly. It was more of a lethargy to grow a beard than a necessity to shave.

    Besides, there is no dress that you can say is a Muslim dress, Abaya or dishdasha or kantura is an Arab dress and Abdullah, Mohammad, Ahmad, Ali, Omar are not Islamic names but Arab names, they are pre-Islamic names, hence there is no compulsion to have such names to be known as Muslims. As long as you practice the 5 pillars of Islam, you are a Muslim. We don’t need to go into the details because this is a “neverendum” debate.

    Ahmed Deedat should have posed that question to Aziz Mian Qawwal and he would have replied by saying, “Agar hota nashaa Sharaab may tou Naachti Botal.” Laikin, swaal A nai hai, swaal A hai, jab Punjaban Nuch dee aye tou Nashaa kis noo aandaa? Now, you will say I am making dressing room dirty jokes. 😀

    Khair lets leave it here.

  160. #161 by Awas on August 17, 2009 - 2:38 PM

    M Y Kasim

    Allama Iqbal was one of the greatest Poets and Philosophers and was highly respected even outside India”.

    M Y Kasim, thank you for highlighting his contributions, along with Sher-e-Bengal Moulvi Fazlul Haque and G M Syed. In Afghanistan and Iran where he is known as Iqbāl-e Lāhorī, he is highly regarded for his Persian works. Many Persian people that I have met admire his work.

    The important thing is that all these leaders from Sir Syed Ahmed Khan to Jinnah had important roles to play and were great men in their own right. Iqbal however is not known more as a politician but revered more as a poet, philosopher and a scholar (not saint). It should be left at that rather than ridiculing him for his “dream” which was not at all a Martin Luther King type “I had a dream”. From history we all know seeds of a separate homeland were sown much before in Alligarh culminating in Qarardad-e-Lahore formally adopted by Muslim league at its three-day general session in March 1940 that called for greater Muslim autonomy that led to creation of Pakistan.

    Perhaps with some it was just a Sialkot thing for making Iqbal look less desirable 🙂

  161. #162 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 2:55 PM

    Awas

    Maybe you misunderstood me, or maybe I explained myself poorly. I was never discrediting Iqbal the poet or philosopher. I have not read any of his works but I can sense he was a biggie from the way people talk about him.

    As a leader or icon of Muslims, I thought he should have also included the Urdu Speakers in his plan or dream for the creation of Pakistan. Iqbal was so great that he is not only revered in Pakistan, but also admired greatly in India for writing “Saray jahan sey acha Hindustan hamara” which is India’s 2nd national anthem so to speak. So I am aware of his literary and poetic reputation.

    I was not ridiculing him for his dream. I was ridiculing the people who think he had that kind of dream where he just woke up from slumber and God sent him some kind of message or something. His “dream” was more a vision, something that he saw as time progressed and as it became clearer that Hindus and Muslims could not coexist peacefully.

    Also, I get perturbed when some people get too touchy about Iqbal because he was from Punjab. I was watching this programme about Iqbal on a TV channel and at that time I was sitting in the house of this Punjabi gentleman, from Jhelum. He got very upset when the programme presenter mentioned that Iqbal sent his son to some Qadyani school or something. He was coming close to abusing and swearing at that programme and he kept saying, “How can they say that about Allama Iqbal”?

    And then he also told me, “Haan jee mai aapkay sheher bhi gaya hoon”? So I asked, what “sheher”? He said, “Karachi”. And I told him, we live in Manchester and how can you say Karachi is my city? Basically from my behaviour he realised I am Urdu Speaking and he was just making that remark. And then he also said, “Haan jee aapkey Quaid e Azam key mazaar par bhi gaya hoon main”. What is this “aapkey” nonsense?

    It is only because I have seen many Punjabis get incredibly touchy about Iqbal, that I feel he is a symbol of region or pronvincialism, but not of the nation. I can imagine people like Pir Pagara or Bacha Khan being symbols of regions, but if what Iqbal did makes people of one region admire him more than the other regions, then surely that praise for Iqbal is overhyped for someone who does not belong to Punjab.

  162. #163 by Shoaib on August 17, 2009 - 2:56 PM

    Javed Sahab,

    I havent fully read your reply, but where did i say that you said Islam is a ‘thing’. well what you said was ”Don’t we all say and agree that there is a place and time for everything” and i am sorry but lovemaking example was an utter disappointmnent.

    Regarding Gillette Mach or Fusion it was funny :)) and imagine if you have to shave with Sword or knife (lmao), i still remember even in 20th century i went to Pakistani barbar (Naaii) for my first shave with traditional (usstraaa) lol and trust me Javed bhai even in 7th Century Usstraa was still there lol…….

    do you think that people in 8th or 9th century used to shave their private areas with sword or knife :)) (lmao) so just imagine what could have happened!!

    Its like a ”derbaari” announced ” hazraat aaj subah Badshah Salamat apnay Shahi Knife sey neechey kee shave bana rahey they to geleti sey hand slip or leg slip lmao honay kee waja sey un kaa Manhood ket gia hey” lmao

  163. #164 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 3:14 PM

    Senior players with poor form should take rest: Miandad

    Updated at: 1751 PST, Monday, August 17, 2009

    LAHORE: Director-general and batting consultant of Pakistan Cricket Board Javed Miandad said that if senior players are not in good form they should make exit from the team for taking rest.

    He said that a performance-based system should be implemented in Pakistan for selection of the team.

    Talking with media after giving tips to players of under-16 camp and Test cricketer Salman Butt here at the National Cricket Academy, Miandad said that he is very happy for the responsibility assigned to him and he would perform his duties together with all coaches. He would come forward where his services would be needed.

    He said that there is no team favourite in the Champions Trophy.

    Miandad said that he considers Pakistan as the best team and they need only some tuning and confidence.

    He further said that no player including Shoaib Akhtar was stopped from playing. The player who performs well in ground should be in the team.

    Javed Miandad said that if the senior players are not performing well then they should get away from cricket and come back in the team after taking rest so that they can give good performance.

  164. #165 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 3:20 PM

    Woman fan tries to kiss Irfan

    Kolkata, Aug 17 (PTI) Irfan Pathan’s form may have deserted him but not his charms and the handsome Baroda pacer barely avoided an embarrassment today when a female fan here tried to kiss him in full media view.
    Two years after Mahendra Singh Dhoni found himself in the embrace of a female fan in front of the Eden Gardens, Irfan went through more or less a similar embarrassment when a 24-year-old of fan tried to plant a kiss on his cheek but found the cricketer taller than she would have liked.

    Irfan, on his part, gently pushed her away without being harsh on her.

    Shabina Khatun, who works in an insurance company here, got a “life time opportunity” to pose with Irfan and elder brother Yusuf Pathan after she was selected as one of the three winners of a contest during a promotional event.

  165. #166 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 17, 2009 - 4:01 PM

    “Saray jahan sey acha Hindustan hamara” which is India’s 2nd national anthem so to speak. khansahab

    khansahab

    That is not true, India’s national anthem is Jana Gana Mana Adhina……… and their national song is Vande Matram, which is equal to the national anthem and ………. officially, there is no mention of:

    Saray jahan say accha Hindustaan hamara,
    rehnay ko ghar nahee hai saraa jahaan hamaara

    Even on Wiki there is no mention of it, check it out here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India

    and here:

    http://india.gov.in/knowindia/national_song.php

  166. #167 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 4:21 PM

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060528/spectrum/book7.htm

    Javed A Khan

    The above article mentions this anthem. The article is written by an Indian.
    I have heard Indians singing this song on TV and in movies many times. My parents also sang it at school when they were kids in India.

    I realised this was written by Iqbal when this programme came on some Indian channel and Saray Jahan Sey Acha was voted the 2nd most patriotic Indian song of all time. However I am aware it’s not the national anthem and it does not have that kind of signifcance as Vande Mataram. The reason why Muslims like that Saray Jahan song is because it was written by a Muslim and also because Vande Matram, when it was being composed was controversial because apparently it contained some anti Islam words or phrases or something like that.

  167. #168 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 17, 2009 - 4:43 PM

    Shoaib

    There is a place for everything doesn’t mean Islam is a thing and I never said that and I never meant that, if your imagination makes you think like that, then it is up to you.

    And, that love making example is, as blunt as it gets and it is to wake up the other person and say hey, do you understand me? Besides, I did not use the F word. And mind you this exact example was given by a very literary and religious person at a social gathering and it was in response to someone’s questions who asked: what’s wrong in displaying your emotions publicly especially if you love that person? (i.e., on deep passionate kissing in public) And, what’s wrong in showing your body (to people on the street) when you have a beautiful body? And, that’s what the literary person said, there is a time and a place for everything and that’s exactly what I wrote.

    I will give you an example: A few years ago at a social gathering before the starting of the month of Ramadan, there were at least 500 people in that hall, men, women, children of all ages and nationalities. One of the so-called young Muslims – an unmarried youth about 21 years old – stood up with his busy beard and Abaya, to give a speech and he was trying to tell the importance of fasting during the month of Ramadan. All that is fine, but then he said, ‘you guys must abstain from doing intercourse during Ramadan.’ And, that was a shocker.

    Because, a majority of the people in that hall were married, including his parents and people much more older than his parents and there were ladies and him being still a bachelor trying to convey half a message to them by asking them to abstain from doing intercourse during Ramadan, he probably missed out the word ” while fasting”. Besides, he should have known that, his parents and all the other elderly people already know these things very well and they didn’t grow up being naive and ignorant.

    Later after the function was over, I tried to talk to that guy alone and tried to tell him that he should not have said what he said, especially when his own parents were sitting there and people older than his parents were sitting there. And, he took it as offense and started arguing with me by questioning what is wrong in saying that? And, hearing him raising his voice, his other friends came closer and asked the same question and one of them said, he said, “intercourse” and not the F word.

    I told him that if he is so keen to preach, then he must say such things among his friends and not at a forum like this. You don’t remind your parents by saying, don’t do intercourse in Ramadan (or during fasting). All this is happening here in the UK, Canada and the US among the young Muslims is because, they think their parents don’t know anything about religion and they need to be educated and taught about Islam. They are ashamed of their parents desi English accent. Also, because, their parents have not grown a beard like them, they don’t wear an Abaya like them and they don’t go for Halaqas like them.

    And, it is also the parents fault that they have allowed their children to ‘sit on their heads and pee on them.’ I have simply translated the Urdu expression in English here, which is “sir pay bitha ker mutana.” But, the point is, I have also heard some parents saying, “our kids know more about religion than us.” That is not just ignorance but, also a dangerous precedent to ruin your kids and make them feel so knowledgeable and wise. But, not all parents are like that and not all kids are like that. Those who try to be smart with little knowledge, they need a nip in the bud, before they become a pain in the ass.

    Anyways, as regards Badshah Salamats (and even their wives) from what I have heard and read, they never used to even wash their own butts, because they were not able to reach there hence they had people who used to wash their butts that for them, so do you think they would have bothered to shave themselves?

    There is an Arab guy I know here, I saw him coming out of a nails shop and I asked him what was he doing there? He replied, I get manicure and pedicure regularly. I asked him, do you prefer giving $25 to that lady just to clip your nails? He said something strange, he asked me, how can you clip your right hand nails? Poor guy never got to learn how to clip his right hand nails with a nail clipper. That is because, he grew with a silver spoon in his mouth.

  168. #169 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 4:45 PM

    Excerpts from Jinnah’s speech, 11th August, 1947:

    I know there are people who do not quite agree with the division of India and the partition of the Punjab and Bengal. Much has been said against it, but now that it has been accepted, it is the duty of every one of us to loyally abide by it and honourably act according to the agreement which is now final and binding on all. But you must remember, as I have said, that this mighty revolution that has taken place is unprecedented.

    Therefore we must learn a lesson from this. You are free ; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed-that has nothing to do with the business of the State.

  169. #170 by Awas on August 17, 2009 - 5:03 PM

    khansahab

    Thank you for your explanation. Anyway, discussion was all in good spirit.

    Yes, I am aware of “Saray jahan sey acha Hindustan hamara” and they consider Iqbal as their poet and perhaps rightly so too.

    Certain great men are never regional, they are either national or world heroes. Gandhi was never just Gujrati and Jinnah just Karachi wala and so it goes for Iqbal. Believe me that guy from Jhelum, if he had met me he would have said the same to me “Haan jee mai aapkay sheher bhi gaya hoon” meaning Lahore. He would have also said “Haan jee aapkey Alama Iqbal key mazaar par bhi gaya hoon main”. That’s how some Punjabis talk when they are from other smaller cities and by saying Jhelum you can guess where he is really from – MirPur. By him saying “Haan jee aapkey Quaid e Azam key mazaar par bhi gaya hoon main”, you can imagine he wasn’t referring Jinnah as “your” but merely “your city”. By him paying homage to Jinnah by visiting his mazaar simply shows that is something he wanted to do not for the sake of Urdu Speakers but he wanted to that for Quiade-e-Azam.

    You may not be aware, but let me tell you also that there is hardly ever anyone outside or inside of Iqbal’s mazaar which is just outside Baadshahi Mosque as I have been to the mosque many a times. So, he is not revered as a saint in literal sense either.

  170. #171 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    Awas

    Thanks. This reminds me of this programme I was watching yesterday which was hosted in memory of Zia ul Haq. The presenter said most of the people who visit his mazaar are Pathans because he was an Islamist and supported the Afghan Jihad (the implication was that he was unpopular except amongst some Pathans).

    I know Zia was unpopular, however this programme demonised him because there’s a PPP govt at the helm and they hate Zia for obvious reasons.

  171. #172 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 5:23 PM

    More gems from Waqar Younis:

    “Virender Taibu is….a…. good batsman.”

    “You need to have a all-rounders because I believe in all-rounders.”

    “I remember he is a very good all-rounder. He once he took five wickets and made two runs.”

    “It´s a very fashionable shot it, gives you run.”

  172. #173 by khansahab on August 17, 2009 - 5:26 PM

    1) Waqar when praising Dhoni’s calm demeanour: “Dhoni has got a beautiful head on his shoulders…..”

    2) When praising Sehwag’s attacking batting: The Virender Sehwag is really on the rampage tonight.

    3) When praising some bowler for field placing: “Oh…..he is a smart bowler! He has got A Protection there.”

    4) When Aamir Sohail praised Ishant Sharma saying, “Waqar, I think the reason that Ashant is getting all that extra bounce is that he is a big lanky lad”……….this is what Waqqa had to say………. “Another reason could be that he’s also very tall……………..”

    5) When praising Salman Butt, “All Salman did was just put bat on ball and timing was perfect. Beautiful play…….”

    6) “Trescothick makes a room outside off stump”

    7) “definately a nick there, i heard it in my ear”

    8- “Danish gave an extra air to the ball”

    9) Jayasuria likes to have a room, but Najaf not giving him a room

    10) “Thats 200 wickets for danish kaneria. Hez the 6th Pakistani fast bowler to acheive this”

    11) ‘What a catch…thats an absolutely catch’

    12) “Went on the backfoot and found a beautiful gap between cover and point”

    13) When the commentator Greg Blewett said, “That’s an ordinary effort by Razzaq” (when Razzaq misfielded) this is what Waqqa had to say, “…………..oo that’s worse than ordinary, that’s…………..ordinary effort”

    14) ‘And a Pakistan is 181 for.. all out.

    15) “Beautifully Shot”

    16) “Whatta shot……by…er……Mohammad Jayasuria”

  173. #174 by Shoaib on August 18, 2009 - 3:53 AM

    Javed

    Just read all my comments, if you find a single place where i mentioned that Javed Sahab ”you” said Islam is a ”Thing”, if you found out even just once wallahh! i will pay you compensation worth £1000 :)) i dunno why you keep saying that…… Chelo Choro yaar ~~~

    Oh Bhai O Bhai!! lol I dont know whether who used to Wipe Badshah’s arse, what i wrote it was just purly based on imagination and just a joke, my only intention was to mention that people in 7 century with beard were still using ”Ustraa” for underarms and other private hair…..so if they wanted to do shave their beared then no one could have stopped them.

    aap to emotional hee ho gaye hey :)) oye Chotayy!! Lassi ley ker aa bao jee key leye oyeee!!

  174. #175 by Mohammed Munir on August 18, 2009 - 4:56 AM

    Guys,

    You all are mixing cricket with too much of politics here. 😆

  175. #176 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 10:16 AM

    Latif may be the next assistant coach of Pakistan

    Karachi, August 18 The Pakistan Cricket Board may appoint former captain Rashid Latif as assistant coach of the national side, keeping in mind skipper Younis Khan’s demand of a young support staff ahead of the Champions trophy. Former batting legend Javed Miandad has already been appointed as a batting consultant for the Champions trophy starting September 22. “The Board wants to give a strong support team to captain Younis Khan, who has conveyed to the Chairman that Pakistan need to have a strong support staff like other countries if it is to perform well consistently,” a PCB source said. Latif, who is supervising an emerging player’s camp in Karachi, has shown interest in the job as he and Younis share a very close relationship, the source added.

  176. #177 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 10:17 AM

    Mohammed Asif inches closer to comeback

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    Tuesday, August 18, 2009
    KARACHI: Pacer Mohammad Asif took a giant stride towards regaining his place in Pakistan’s squad for the ICC Champions Trophy on Monday when he impressed chief selector Iqbal Qasim with his form and fitness during a low-profile match here, writes Khalid Hussain.

    Asif, 26, took a wicket for 23 runs in nine overs during a match played mostly between youngsters attending an Under-23 Emerging Players Camp and was watched by Iqbal and Saleem Jaffer, a member of the national selection committee. The camp is being run by Rashid Latif, a former Pakistan captain.

    Though Iqbal refrained from saying that Asif will find a place in the 15-man squad for the Champions Trophy, in an interview with ‘The News’ he made it clear that the fast bowler is rapidly regaining his form and fitness.

    “He (Asif) seemed to be fine today,” said Iqbal, a former Pakistan Test spinner, who took over as the chief selector early this month. Iqbal said that Asif will certainly be considered for the Champions Trophy but made it clear that a final decision on whether he should be picked for the elite eight-nation tournaments rests with the national selection committee.

    “The final decision about the composition will be taken by the committee after we weigh all our options,” said Iqbal. Asif is currently serving a one-year ban after being found guilty of drugs abuse following a positive dope test during the inaugural season of the Indian Premier League (IPL) last summer. His ban ends on September 22, the same day when the Champions Trophy will kick off in South Africa.

    Asif, who has taken 51 wickets from 11 Tests, last played for Pakistan on April 19 last year in a One-day International against Bangladesh in Karachi. Since then the Sheikhupura-born pacer has been out of the Pakistan team because of disciplinary reasons.

    Whether to pick him for the African Safari will be one of the major decisions to be taken by the new selection committee that will meet in Lahore on August 22 to name the team for the Champions Trophy.

    Iqbal said that he will be going to Lahore on August 21 to get input from all stake-holders ahead of the selection committee meeting. He is expected to hold meetings with Pakistan captain Younis Khan and coach Intikhab Alam in a bid to get their feedback before selecting the final squad for South Africa.

    Iqbal said that if Younis, who is currently in England on a private visit, is unable to attend the meeting in Lahore then he will discuss the possible 15 with him over the phone. “We want to discuss each and every detail with the captain and the coach before taking a final decision on the Champions Trophy squad,” said the chief selector.

  177. #178 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 18, 2009 - 10:36 AM

    “You all are mixing cricket with too much of politics here…..”

    Munir the reason is, there is no cricket for Pakistan these days so paltiks tou honi hee hai….

    Sri Lanka is a tiny country and look at them, not long ago they were in Pakistan, halfway through the series they went to India to play an ODI series, came back to Pakistan to finish off the tour, the terrorists helped them with a warm send off I mean, Lahore may aafat ayee, so they went back to Sri Lanka (if I am not mistaken they played a home series there) then, they went to England for the T20 WC came back and played a test and ODI series against Pakistan at home. Now they are playing a test today against NZ then they will be flying to SA for the champions trophy. Look at our Butt faced, D’K heads, they only travel at the PCB account, spend money like hell and talk to the media and splatter s.h.i.t.

    Now, look at Iqbal Qasim, he is sponsoring Asaf.
    First he is praising him from the bottom of his butt and then saying Asaf will definitely be considered for 15 man squad and suddenly throwing caution to the wind by saying; it is up to the 8 member selection committee to decide. Him being the chief selector openly saying this to the media, is he not influencing the other members of the selection committee? This is Pakistan, ek say barh ker ek Ch2So4 aur mukkar.

  178. #179 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 10:44 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Strange how it works in Pakistan. After the dope scandal most people were so furious that they didn’t want to hear the names of Asif and Akhtar. But since Ijaz Butt came he has tried to bring them back. Why can’t Pakistan retain some pride and just say that even if these bowlers are wickettakers, we don’t want them because of the humiliation they have caused to the country?

    Now New Zealand board is asking for $750,000 to host the Test series between Pakistan and NZ and because of Pakistan’s pathetic Test standing, sponsors are not showing any interest in the Test series. Again, if one persists with nothing Maliks and Misbahs how can the team have any status in Test cricket? There are many other factors why the team does not perform, but Malik and Misbah’s performance has been in front of everyone since 2009 started and they have been unable to handle any pressure or play the new ball. Sacking them was the first thing PCB should have done in order to see a positive change in the team.

    So it’s a vicious circle and poor team selection means Pakistan Test team will not perform to the required standard. It is not the case that there are no replacements for Malik and Misbah. Alam and Umer Akmal have already shown they are capable of achieving much more than those two.

  179. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 18, 2009 - 10:55 AM

    khansahab

    “I am agree” with you. But, U&ME or a few with similar feelings cannot change them. But, we won’t stop writing against the BUTT head.

  180. #181 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 12:31 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Ijaz Butt has stated that Inti Alam has a 2 year contract with PCB and cannot be removed.

    This has led critics to question why Lawson was removed when he also had more than a year remaining in his contract.

  181. #182 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 12:34 PM

    khansahab

    Whether Butt is trying to bring Asif back deliberately or not is another matter but as you know, there are not many crimes that deserve life sentence.

    Even Shane Warne returned after one year’s ban after he “got a potion from his granny” or something. Should a druggie be banned for life? Should it be considered that serious to cut-off his lifeline forever if he reforms?

    I have no idea how long was he banned for but if that is now over then what needs to be considered is his fitness and form as selection should be based upon performance alone after that.

  182. #183 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 12:41 PM

    The best thing is if Ijaz Butt is removed himself, only then the game of musical chairs will start.

  183. #184 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 12:49 PM

    Sarfraz Ahmed seems like a decent wicket-keeper batsman. For Pakistan A against SL eleven, he scored 40no in 31 balls in the ongoing ODI.

  184. #185 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 18, 2009 - 1:27 PM

    In the Arab world, there are two sets of rules – one for Arabi – the other for an Ajami – (non Arab)

    Likewise, Butt has two set of rules, one for Punjabi the other for everyone else.

    The same question came to my mind about Lawson, why was he sacked before his contract was over?

    Awas

    In case of Shane Warne, it was only once that he took something that his granny gave him and then he tried to mask it by taking some diuretic pills. But, that was all once.

    Asaf, is in the helm of every scandal. The first was Nandrolone with the Actor, then he was beaten by the actor in the dressing room, OK that was not his fault, but his mentor was angry with him and beat him, why? Third he was seen in New Delhi and Mumbai bars and night clubs late at night and drunk like a skunk and then he landed in Dubai with drugs in his pocket. He denied, then he said, it is Salajeet – herbal Viagra or whatever and then he finally admitted it as opium. While he is banned he is still making headlines “Machikay Paindoo getting married to another Pain-done of Hum Sub Umeed say hain…. then she denies it as all rumours…. anyways the point is, he has disgraced himself and the team on several occasions and we don’t know whether he is really fit or not, but there is a strong lobby to bring him back not only him but that idiot Actor too. This is really badmashi and ghundagardi of the PCB Butt heads. They are discouraging and ruining the careers of young fast bowlers. Sohail Tanvir has shown worst attitude than Asaf, but lucky that he was not caught with drugs.

  185. #186 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 1:47 PM

    Javed

    Having considered what you said, you still don’t get life for it.

    Nightclubbing and drinking – don’t we say it’s a lifestyle matter??? Freddie Flintoff has been caught drunk like a skunk numerous times. Even Shane Warne including his various flings.

  186. #187 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 1:57 PM

    Apart from Nadrolene, it was a puri at the airport. So it was twice not once not “several occasions”.

    As you say there shouldn’t be two sets of rules in cricket. If drinking, not drinking, marrying, not marrying, clubbing not clubbing ok for some then why two sets of rules.

  187. #188 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 2:32 PM

    Awas

    Shane Warne was already a star when this drug thing happened with him and he was almost dispensable because Australia was at its peak and they were already a very good team. Losing Warne for however many months did not affect them as much.

    Pakistan has been going through a bad phase and has been receiving negative publicity from all corners. In those circumstances Asif proved to be a villain because he shouldn’t have let success go through his head so much. That is why I am so angry at him. He was a fine bowler with the new ball and he let the country down bigtime. Of course, Pakistan’s name has always been associated with match fixing, dressing room politics, player indiscipline and ball tampering. In the light of all this Asif’s drug revelation hit me really hard.

    My reaction might be disproportionate, but it’s became Asif is a Pakistani that I am especially affected by it. If the kid of someone who lives down the street abuses drugs, you will react differently to it as opposed to if your own kid suffers from drug abuse. So you may call it an overreaction or emotional statement, but I don’t really want to see Asif returning to the Pakistan side again.

    There are so many talented young fast bowlers who are not getting chances because of politics and then there is Asif who only gets a year’s punishment despite having this reputation of being a drug addict, alcohol addict and womaniser? His personal life is his own but if that has affected his performance in the past on the field then surely he must be sanctioned. His form if you recall started dipping towards the end and that is when it was revealed that he has “bad habits”.

  188. #189 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    khansahab

    It’s a question of fairness.

    As I said, after punishment, its fitness, form and performance that should really matter. I am not saying he should play regardless.

    If a court punishes a burglar then after his punishment, you do not punish him more. Perhaps, you will think differently when you start working 🙂

  189. #190 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 2:57 PM

    Awas

    I just don’t like Mohammad Asaf 🙂

  190. #191 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 3:03 PM

    khansahab

    To be perfectly honest with you neither do I, so it makes two of us 🙂 (I just like a balanced view).

    PS: And that is not a lie.

  191. #192 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 4:18 PM

    PCB chief denies discord in side

    PCB chairman Ejaz Butt said that he was absolutely convinced there is no disharmony or discord in the national team.
    Butt said in a statement today that he had met with the players, captain and team officials separately to find out if there was any truth in media reports that there was discord within the team and some players were not supporting their captain, Younis Khan.

    “But after having met with manager, coach, assistant coach, captain and other team members on the Sri Lanka tour, I can say with absolute confidence that there was total harmony in the team. They were united and played as a unit,” Butt said.

    “Players are now preparing for the ICC Champions Trophy 2009 in South Africa where they are aiming to repeat their ICC World T20 2009 performance,” Butt said in the statement.

    Younis had expressed his reservations over Butt’s one-to-one meetings with the players and had insisted that the PCB chairman should meet the players together.

    But Butt met the players separately last week in Karachi after they returned from a disappointing tour of Sri Lanka where they lost the Test and one-day series.

    The results led to outcry that there were problems within the team and some players were not happy with the captain.

    Butt also met with former Test stars, Zaheer Abbas and Mohsin Khan who have been very critical of the board and team affairs in recent times.

    “I had a very fruitful meeting with Mohsin last week where we discussed the batting problems in Pakistan team.

    Mohsin has shown his interest in assisting PCB.

    “Zaheer has a wealth of experience and know how of the game and I am sure he has a lot to offer to cricket in Pakistan,” Butt said.

    He further stated about Javed Miandad’s role in Pakistan cricket.

    “The Governing Board last week discussed Javed Miandad’s role in cricket. I am pleased to have Javed serving as Batting Advisor for Pakistan team.

    “Javed was my first choice as Coach of the national team but owing to his personal problems at that time, he could not take up that role. However, Javed will be contributing a lot to cricket in the upcoming months,” Butt said in the statement.

  192. #193 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 4:22 PM

    So Mr Butt has done his inquiries and this is the result:

    1) Players are united

    2) Will not sack coach because of contract

    3) Will not sack team manager (team manager Yawar and Butt are old friends)

    4) Will appoint batting consultant, assistant coach and advisors to the team

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    I don’t agree with this. PCB will do everything except get rid of the underperforming elements in the side, Misbah and Malik (whether they are deliberately underperforming is another argument. I am not making any claims they are doing it deliberately but they are out of form and need to be dropped). PCB does not mind wasting money appointing assistant coaches and consultants, but they don’t want to try more youngsters out. What a joke. Ijaz Butt is a laughing stock and PCB is going nowhere under him.

  193. #194 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 4:35 PM

    After the T20 WC there were many reports citing that there is disharmony and Malik and Misbah have created a grouping against Younis. It was reported on TV and articles were also pasted on this blog.

    Inti Alam failed because Pakistan lost its first series in Sri Lanka under him. Also, Pakistan played miserably in UAE against Australia. Pakistan ONLY did well in T20, however, a regional or departmental team from Pakistan will do well in that Cup so Alam gets no credit.

    Yawar Saeed was seen sleeping in one of the matches against Sri Lanka. What made it worse was that Pakistan was going through a batting collapse. It is those times when you need to keep your eyes open. To me there is symbolism in that incident- that Yawar is “keeping his eyes closed” to what is happening with the team and the performance.

    Further, those whose techniques need to be rectified are Malik and Misbah because they failed against the new ball. Yousuf fell against spin, Younis mostly threw his wicket away but it was Malik and Misbah who looked clueless as to how to play the new ball. So why have these batting advisers been appointed? Why not replace Fawad Alam with Misbah and Umer Akmal with Malik? The reason I am saying this because someone like Yousuf does not need coaching and he can destroy any spin or pace attack. Younis is “sab ka baap” when it comes to dominating the batting and 90% of the times he throws his wicket away by playing a reverse sweep or edging the ball to his stumps. So the ones who really struggle under good bowling are Malik and Misbah.

    So Butt has taken ALL the wrong steps. How can he keep Yawar Saeed as the team manager when he was seen sleeping?

    PCB is cursed.

  194. #195 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 4:55 PM

    What Younus has been saying it all along Butt Saab has also claimed it after meeting all that there is no discord in the team. If it was Butt only, I may not have believed him. What others like Sarfraz Nawaz and Qadir utter should only be taken with a pinch of salt.

    khansahab

    whether they are deliberately underperforming is another argument. I am not making any claims they are doing it deliberately but they are out of form”.

    Are you sure you were not saying before its “deliberate” or with some agenda against others etc etc? 🙂

    I thought I was the lone voice in saying wouldn’t they like to do well but they can’t as these two are simply not competent enough players. And all players like to cement their places by playing well. And wouldn’t players like Yousaf and Fawad too would like to score a ton in every match but that is not always possible. Etc etc….

    So, good to see a change of view there 🙂

  195. #196 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 5:03 PM

    Awas

    I have ALWAYS said that Malik and Misbah do not like Younis Khan and they do want to extract some kind of revenge. But I have also said that is not at the expense of ruining their own careers. However, the objective can be met by either of them by simply not performing until the series is lost, but performing when it comes to the last resort or the last match or whatever. Misbah did that in UAE, and he did that in Sri Lanka too. I am 100% sure and I will bet my life on this that had Malik been playing in the 5th ODI, he would have made a 50.

    You can salvage your career by performing poorly for a few matches but then performing in 1 or 2 matches. That has been the story of Malik’s career. However, the way he has played under Younis’s captaincy, he is in his worst form for at least 3-4 years. Whether that is a coincidence, I don’t know and I am not 100% decided on this specific issue as to what is it exactly that is causing him to play so badly. So you may well be right that they are just not good enough.

    So I rest my case on this basis, that there is a very fine line by deliberate underperformance and just “underperformance”. You can say Malik is not able enough, you can say he is out of form or you can say he is deliberately playing like this. What practical difference does it make? At the end of the day the captain is under fire, the PCB is under fire and the only 2 people who are not getting affected as much are Malik and Misbah because they will be in the Champions Trophy squad.

  196. #197 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 5:14 PM

    Also, Awas, if going by your argument that Malik and Misbah are not good enough, it doesn’t explain how Malik was able to make a century in the 3rd Test. And how was Misbah able to play a flawless knock in the 5th ODI when his career was on the line?

    He was rubbish in UAE but all of a sudden he made 70 odd from some 80 odd balls. If he were the class of Viv Richards or Pieterson or something, then that would explain it, that maybe he needed a wake up call and he just performed despite having a bad run. But Misbah is not Viv Richards and his form fluctuates so much in between series that you wonder there is more than meets the eye.

  197. #198 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 5:30 PM

    Some interesting stats about Misbah in 2009:

    It is common knowledge that when a player remains not out, that artificially inflates his average because that particular innings is not counted when calculating his batting average. So if I play 2 ODI’s and score 10 not out in the 1st and 100 not out in the second, my average will be 110, not 55, which is what you get when 110 is divided by 2 (number of innings played).

    Misbah has played 10 ODI innings in 2009 and he has remained not out 3 times. That is a shocking ratio because it tells how much his batting average has been inflated artificially. The only other Pakistani batsmen who has remained not out 3 times is Saeed Ajmal.

    Also, if one excludes Misbah’s 2 knocks played in the last ODI of the Australian and Sri Lankan series, Misbah will have played 8 innings in which he will have remained not out once.

    Misbah’s average in those 8 innings is 13. That is the worst average for any recognised batsman of Pakistan and as per this analysis Misbah has been the worst batsman this year for Pakistan.

    Whilst this does not prove anything, it does point towards the possible fact that:

    1) Misbah leaves his best for the last to ensure he gets selected in future series

    2) He plays for himself

    3) He is actually capable of performing, but he doesn’t concentrate and he does not apply himself well.

  198. #199 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 5:44 PM

    khansahab

    In a series there would always be one or two innings that one can play as both are not complete novices by any means. The two examples that you gave for Malik’s 100 and Misbah’s 70no is a case in point. Yousaf too apart from playing a come back 100 was unable to do well later but we all know his class. None of them I believe deliberately underperformed.

    The notion that they did underperform to jeopardise Younus’ position is wrong too as with their own mediocre performances they are unlikely to take over as captains. That would only make Afridi the next option instead.

    To me, just the ability to score a life saving knock at whim does not make sense. On the other hand if any of them wished to be a captain then one would rather score a big knock in every match to be considered indispensable and worthy of captaincy. The fact is that Malik at the end WAS dropped, if he did have the ability to play a place saving knock then he wouldn’t have got himself in that position to begin with.

  199. #200 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 5:47 PM

    khansahab

    Also, I agree that the two shouldn’t be included in the Champions Trophy squads but that is up to the Board and selectors. They haven’t done anything to deserve a place.

  200. #201 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 7:28 PM

    khansahab

    And just remember Salman Butt was discarded too, so there are no sacred cows. Dropping of Malik is just one step closer to him being discarded too. So, it cannot possibly be deliberate from his part.

  201. #202 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 8:33 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Excerpts frm Rashid Latif’s latest interview:

    Younis Khan is a product of the Malir Gymkhana cricket club in Karachi which has produced amongst others players like Saeed Anwar, Fawad Alam, Asim Kamal, Khurram Manzoor etc”.

    “Younis would attend practice sessions for Malir and the first thing I noticed was how good his fielding was.”

    “Of course once he had caught my eye we recommended that he play for Malir, then Karachi Under 19s and then he of course played for Peshawar.”

    “Younis has been asking me for the past year to join the coaching setup for the national team.”

    Mohammad Asif is working very hard and I firmly believe that he has learnt his lessons.”

    Umar Akmal is someone who has not come through the academy system, but thats not to say that he wont need to work at the academies in future. He’s new to international cricket and teams will already be analysing his strengths and weaknesses. He’s a fantastic talent and if he continues to work hard on his game he will do very well.”

  202. #203 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 8:37 PM

    Musharraf to launch political party soon

    London, Aug 18 (IANS) Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf will launch a new political party soon, the Online news agency reported Tuesday.
    A councilor of Britain’s Conservative Party disclosed this to a TV Channel here.

    Musharraf will discuss about his new party with his supporters during Iftar dinners in London, he said.

    He added that Musharraf offered free Iftar Parties during Ramadan for his supporters.

  203. #204 by Awas on August 18, 2009 - 8:44 PM

    khansahab

    See, I wasn’t the lone voice about Mohammed Asif 🙂 I regard Rashid Latif highly.

    If he straightens and improves then its grossly unjust not to consider him. After all we all talk about merit.

  204. #205 by khansahab on August 18, 2009 - 8:58 PM

    Must see video:

    youtube.com/watch?v=3ALGPMHK9T0&feature=related

    Barrister Saif Ali Khan, a renowned lawyer from Peshawar is defending Musharraf and exposing what treason Choudhary Aitzaz Ahsan has committed.

    What a brave and outspoken man this lawyer is. Well done sir.

  205. #206 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 18, 2009 - 9:29 PM

    Awas and khansahab,

    U2 have discussed a lot since morning while I was away. So, its hard for me to respond point by point to all those comments, I have read them (not skimmed them, like you know who?).

    Awas, agreed that he shouldn’t get a life, but you should read my comment I said, he needs to prove i.e., if at all he comes back or selected. So, lets leave this Machikay Case here.

    About Younus & Ijaz Butt not saying publicly that there is no discord in the team ……. Yar, you guys know very well that, certain things are not made public. There is always a diplomatic decorum but, the truth is there is discord and any tom, dick and harry can see that. Just hope that they leave these feelings back home, i.e., when they go to SA and play Champions Trophy and play like Champions.

    And, “Me3” 😀 add me in that list. Basically, I don’t like any player who shows arrogance especially when he has not mde any significant contribution. Like, Actor I “may” have tolerated his nonsense if he had taken 500 wickets. But, after taking only 200 wickets, there is so much arrogance, so much tantrum, who does he think he is?

    Look at Sohail Tanvir, just one performance at the IPL and that too against Lullo Punjoo Indian players not even from their National side and he got a purple hat and the guy became so stiff and tight lipped and claims that “If not more, I am worth at least a million dollar.” (these are his own words) Like, Actor gave 43 runs in 3 overs he gave away 41 runs in 3 overs.

    Asif is a paindoo, he doesn’t know what he is doing, he is more talented than any fast Pakistani bowler at the moment but, he must perform that is the bottom line.

  206. #207 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 19, 2009 - 11:44 AM

    Now the Australian Team in England reports of a bookie approaching him after the Lords test match. The details of this news is on cricinfo front page. The funny thing about bookies and betting is, the bookies are always coloured people from India or Pakistan and no white men from England, Australia, NZ and the culprits are always coloured Indian and Pakistani players. Whey there is any case detected, it is reported by the media in such a way that they smear the reputation of Indian and Pakistani players.

    NOW, look at the way how the ICC official has responded to this news:

    “The player is not suspected of wrongdoing, and has been praised by a senior ICC official for his prompt reporting of the approach..”

    Because, this article has been written by Alex Brown, who may actually be a white Alex. Secondly, the way he portrayed this issue this way: “Twenty20 cricket posed the greatest corruption threat to the game since the dark days of Sharjah in the 1990s;…”

    The dark days ! WoW. Mr. Brown must still be suffering from the DARK AGES SYNDROME

    Is there anyone else in this world besides Abdul Rahman Bukhatir who gave away so much money to the ex-cricketers like he did through the CBFS (Cricketers Benefit Fund Series). The famous heroes of the 50’s and 60’s were neglected by their own countries and were living a miserable life and he helped them. And these guys only remember the bookies or bad umpiring decisions. Whereas, all the umpires were from the elite panel of the ICC and yet they have the audacity and the cheek to call it as the DARK DAYS of Sharjah? I am not denying that some matches were fixed and some players were corrupt, but not all the matches were fixed and not all the players were corrupt.

  207. #208 by Awas on August 19, 2009 - 12:46 PM

    Anyone but Butt

    It is difficult to remember a time in the post-Imran Khan era when the affairs of Pakistan cricket were well managed. Until 2003, when there were still superstar players around, it was clear where the power lay, and the PCB was a reactionary body desperately trying to keep the lunatics from taking over the asylum. In the decade that followed Pakistan’s World Cup win, anyone with a modicum of experience had a go as captain, except, tellingly, Inzamam-ul-Haq. It wasn’t until the cull in the wake of Pakistan’s horrendous 2003 World Cup that the PCB was able to take firm control of things.

    The then PCB chairman, Tauqir Zia, and his hot-headed chief selector Aamer Sohail were brave enough to spell it out for Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar. Saqlain Mushtaq and Azhar Mahmood could never again re-establish themselves in the team, and Inzamam, Shoaib Akhtar and Shahid Afridi were only welcomed back once they had spent enough time away to no longer take their spots for granted. On balance, this was mostly positive, but then the PCB got too cute with selections and nearly lost a Test to Bangladesh. Worse was the selection of the boss’ undercooked son, Junaid Zia, for some ODIs. His credibility shot, Zia had no choice but to resign as chairman of the board.

    Much was hoped for from Shahryar Khan. Refined and respected, the former diplomat was a surprising disaster as PCB chairman. His tenure coincided with a tours programme that seemed to only be concerned about how many times Pakistan played India – the folly of which was clear at the outset. It was never explained why he was forever seen at cricket grounds around the world with the national team, rather than minding the shop at home. Although he deserves credit for bringing in Bob Woolmer as coach, Pakistan cricket generally seemed directionless with Shahryar in charge. His handling of the Inzamam-Hair fiasco, coupled with a clash with stand-in skipper Younis Khan ahead of the 2006 Champions Trophy, saw his tenure come to an end two months before his contract expired.

    Nasim Ashraf immediately had a mess on his hands with Shoaib’s and Mohammad Asif’s failed dope tests. To be fair, Ashraf presided over what was the bleakest period of Pakistan’s cricket history till then, with Bob Woolmer’s death and Pakistan’s elimination from the first round of the 2007 World Cup. Ashraf was willing to be the fall guy and offered his resignation, which was refused by the President. He served on, but relations with the players remained sour. He traded veiled punches with the captain, Inzamam, over the issue of religion in the team, but the ugliest illustration of the state of his relationship with the players was when he sued Shoaib for defamation. It was unclear how Pakistan cricket would come out of the mire, but for better or worse Ashraf resigned as PCB chairman when the man who appointed him, Pervez Musharraf, resigned as President of the country.

    As bad as all of this was, any of Zia, Shahryar and Ashraf are preferable to the utter ineptitude of Ijaz Butt. Things could hardly have started worse than when he announced that Pakistan had “no utility” for the national team coach, Geoff Lawson, before he even met him. Shortly thereafter, Butt divulged the private contents of a meeting with the ICC, where it was revealed that the ICC’s position against the Indian Cricket League was not legally very strong. Mere days in the job and it was clear that Butt was opinionated, unfair and indiscreet.

    While Butt did well in principle to get former players involved, his choices have ranged from questionable to downright wrong. Abdul Qadir, lovable eccentric that he is, was a good choice as a selector, but not as chief selector – he would have thrown up some good picks from left field and then a strong chief selector could have taken a chance on some of them. Drafting Ahmad Shahzad into the Test squad to face Sri Lanka on the basis of a good side match smacked of impulsiveness, and Qadir further showed his lack of judgment when, upon resigning from his post in the middle of this year’s World Twenty20, he went public with his views that Younis Khan should not be the captain of the Twenty20 team. Besides Qadir, Butt has fallen out with Javed Mianadad and Aamer Sohail. While both were always committed cricketers and no one doubts their sincerity towards Pakistan cricket, they are also known for their volatile personalities. Appointing them to any post was always going to be risky.

    The worst appointment of a former player has to be that of Ijaz Ahmed, who was made a selector. Whispers about his involvement in match-fixing never quite went away and the former middle-order batsman is currently embroiled in legal proceedings in a case of fraud. He may well be innocent of it all, but surely the PCB can find candidates who aren’t controversial to staff its positions? Another such, Saleem Malik, was reportedly almost appointed head of the cricket academy before the outcry led to some furious back-pedalling.

    The lowest point of Butt’s brief reign has been his handling of the aftermath of the attack on the Sri Lankans in Lahore.

    The least the chairman could have done was call a press conference immediately, express condolences for the victims and clarify the PCB’s sphere of responsibility. Instead, Butt alternated between being bullish, defensive and occasionally outrageous, as when he called for a life ban on the match referee, Chris Broad, for speaking about what he perceived as inadequate security.

    The cricket world, already squeamish when it came to Pakistan, saw its remaining confidence in the PCB evaporate. Turned into a pariah in the boardroom, Pakistan was stripped by the ICC of its World Cup matches – without being informed that the matter was even on the table. Butt’s response, to threaten futile legal action, only hardened positions.

    While it is a positive step that the PCB welcomed back its prodigal sons from the ICL, the situation has been mismanaged. It appears of no consequence that these players turned their backs on Pakistan cricket to make a quick buck. Two years ago Abdul Razzaq was dropped from the squad for the inaugural World Twenty20 because he was increasingly irrelevant in limited-overs cricket. Where once he was a sharp first-change bowler and top-order batsman, he had turned into no more than a bits-and-pieces player – not good enough to merit a place in the team as a bowler or batsman, but somehow holding on because he could bowl five overs in the middle and bat five overs at the end. Such was Razzaq’s outrage at being dropped that he retired from international cricket and joined the ICL, with no reflection on how far he had fallen as a cricketer. His comeback is being viewed through rose-tinted glasses, and while his experience is important to the current team, Razzaq still can’t be trusted with 10 overs or a top-order batting slot. In such circumstances a Category A contract is nothing short of absurd.

    Rana Naved too has waltzed into a central contract despite being a yesterday’s man and without first having proved himself on the field. Meanwhile the PCB has twice had to deal with the embarrassment of having awarded central contracts after the media pointed out omissions – first Abdur Rauf in January, and then Mohammad Aamer after Pakistan’s success at the World Twenty20.

    Pakistan’s senate remains unimpressed with Ijaz Butt; the standing committee on sports has moved a resolution calling for a change in the PCB set-up. That needs to happen, and soon, before the chairman and his PCB erode the good and goodwill that came from Pakistan’s World Twenty20 win. So low has the PCB fallen that almost anyone would be better than Ijaz Butt.

    Faraz Sarwat is the cricket columnist for the Toronto Star and the author of The Cricket World Cup: History, Highlights, Facts and Figures

  208. #209 by Awas on August 19, 2009 - 3:54 PM

    A senior leader of India’s Hindu nationalist main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has been expelled from the party.

    Jaswant Singh’s expulsion was announced by the party during a meeting.

    This comes a day after the BJP “dissociated” itself from a new book on Pakistan’s founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah, written by Mr Singh.

    Mr Singh had praised Mr Jinnah in the book and said the latter has been “demonised in India”.

    Mr Jinnah is a controversial figure in India and considered the architect of the partition.

  209. #210 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 19, 2009 - 5:45 PM

    Awas

    Yae tou hona hee thaa! I was wondering how come Jaswant Singh after writing that book, also gave that interview in which he emphasized that Jinnah was a good man and demonized by the Indians and the British, would still be in the party? So, there you go, I am not surprised they expelled him. It proves how the fundoz react even against their own when they speak the truth?

    If you have seen that movie GANDHI you must have observed that the characters of Jinnah and Gandhi were portrayed with biases. Gandhi was portrayed as a hero and Jinnah was portrayed as a villain and even the person whom they selected to play Jinnah’s role had such crooked expression on his face all the time, as if Jinnah was like that. In fact, he was more humble and much better looking than that character who played his role.

  210. #211 by khansahab on August 19, 2009 - 6:00 PM

    Javed A Khan

    On the other hand, if you watch the movie Jinnah, Gandhi has been portrayed as a tolerant and compassionate individual.

    On 15th August when I was watching Nehru’s famous “tryst with destiny” speech given on India’s independence, I wondered why Gandhi was not seen in that hall which was occupied by Indian and British politicians. That is because at that time Gandhi was not in Delhi, but in Calcutta and he was on hunger strike protesting against the slaughter of Muslims by Hindus and Sikhs. No wonder he is respected immensely by Indian Muslims. He refused to partake in Indian indepdendence celebrations because of the slaughter going on in the country.

  211. #212 by Awas on August 19, 2009 - 6:57 PM

    Javed & khansahab

    I find one little quirk quite puzzling, Gandhi and Jinnah were fighting for similar causes but Gandhi was in and out of jails many times but I understand Jinnah was never sent to prison even though they were both lawyers. I guess its because Jinnah never got involved in street agitation.

    Here is a lesson for Justice Chaudhry Iftikhar Saab.

  212. #213 by khansahab on August 19, 2009 - 7:46 PM

    Awas

    You are right. Also, Jinnah never actively sought public rebellion like Gandhi did. This ties in with the fact that many Muslims did not really want Partition. In fact, many people give credit of Pakistan’s indepedence to Gandhi; if India would not have sought independence, there would have been no Pakistan. It seems like the two nation theory was only a by product of this earlier theory to unite against the British and seek indepedence.

    That is why they say Jinnah fought on his own and he created “something out of nothing”, in that he never resorted to street protests, terrorism, or aligning himself to the “common man”. I don’t think he could speak very good Urdu in the first place. I think his mother tongue was Gujrati or some variant thereof.

  213. #214 by Awas on August 19, 2009 - 8:08 PM

    So it shows something great can be achieved without terrorism 🙂

    great” not in the sense that Pakistan is great but just Jinnah’s achievement. The treatment that his admirers like Jaswant Singh got is scornful to say the least.

  214. #215 by khansahab on August 19, 2009 - 11:13 PM

    History: Let’s judge Jinnah by his own words

    Countering Congress demand for freedom for a united India, Jinnah incited a crowd at meeting in Madras: “In this sub continent, you have two different societies, the Muslim society and the Hindu society, and particularly in this land, there is another nation, that is the Dravidian. The land is really Dravidistan, and imagine its 3% of Brahmin high castes, by skillful manoeuvring and by skillful methods of electioneering, 3% of them should secure a majority! Is this democracy or is this a farce?…I have every sympathy and shall do all help to establish a Dravidistan where the 7% Muslims will stretch their hands of friendship.”

    ***

    Attacking Mahatma Gandhi for his refusal to accept Muslim League as sole representative of Indian Muslims, Jinnah said: “Why should not Mr Gandhi be proud to say, ‘I am a Hindu, the Congress has a solid Hindu backing. I am not ashamed of saying that I am a Musalman. I am right, I hope, and I think even a blind man must have been convinced by now, that the Muslim League has the solid backing of the Musalmans of India. Why then all this camouflage? Why all these machinations? Why not (Gandhiji) come as a Hindu leader, proudly representing your people and let me meet you proudly representing the Musalmans”.

    Attacking Muslim Congressmen as “dupes”, “betrayers, traitors and cranks”, Jinnah said: “The conduct of these dupes of the Congress and these betrayers well nigh disheartens me and I some times ask myself if a community which can still produce so many foolish or treacherous men is worth carrying for, praying for and weeping for. Yet, gentlemen, we must not, we cannot, and we will not yield to despair.”

    ***

    On a Constitution for a united India and democracy, Jinnah said: “Democracy means, to begin with, majority rule. Majority rule in a single society is understandable. Representative government in a single nation, harmonious and homogenous, is understandable. But can such a system ever succeed when you have two different nations?”

    ***

    Demanding Pakistan, Jinnah told League legislators in Delhi: “I have explained in great detail the fundamental and vital differences between Hindus and Muslims. There never has been, for all these centuries, either social or political unity between these two major nations. The Indian unity that we talk of up to today is held by the British, and they by their ultimate sanction of the police and army maintained peace and law and order.”

    ***

    Jinnah’s reply to Congress’ opposition to Pakistan: “The Musalmans are not a minority, as is commonly known and understood…Musalmans are a nation according to any definition of a nation, and they must have their homelands, their territory and their state.”

  215. #216 by khansahab on August 19, 2009 - 11:15 PM

    Jinnah remarked whether these “foolish” and “treacherous” men within the Muslim community are worth weeping and fighting for. Pakistan was bestowed to these men, and most of them have continued with the foolishness and the treachery, making Jinnah’s dream appear an improbability.

  216. #217 by Varun Suri on August 20, 2009 - 7:10 AM

    As it is the hot topic in India these days. I CtrlC+CtrlP the full interview of Jaswant Singh with Karan Thapar on 16th August:-

    Karan Thapar: Mr Jaswant Singh, let’s start by establishing how you as the author view Mohammed Ali Jinnah? After reading your book, I get the feeling that you don’t subscribe to the popular demonisation of the man.

    Jaswant Singh: Of course, I don’t. To that I don’t subscribe. I was attracted by the personality which has resulted in a book. If I wasn’t drawn to the personality, I wouldn’t have written the book. It’s an intricate, complex personality of great character, determination.

    Karan Thapar: And it’s a personality that you found quite attractive?

    Jaswant Singh: Naturally, otherwise, I wouldn’t have ventured down the book. I found the personality sufficiently attractive to go and research it for five years. And I was drawn to it, yes.

    Karan Thapar: As a politician, Jinnah joined the Congress party long before he joined the Muslim League and in fact when he joined the Muslim League, he issued a statement to say that this in no way implies “even the shadow of disloyalty to the national cause”.

    Would you say that in the 20s and 30s and may be even the early years of the 40s, Jinnah was a nationalist?

    Jaswant Singh: Actually speaking the acme of his nationalistic achievement was the 1916 Lucknow Pact of Hindu-Muslim unity and that’s why Gopal Krishna Gokhale called him the Ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity.

    Karan Thapar: In your assessment as his biographer, for most if not the predominant part of his life, Jinnah was a nationalist.

    Jaswant Singh: Oh, yes. He fought the British for an independent India but he also fought resolutely and relentlessly for the interest of the Muslims of India.

    Karan Thapar: Was Jinnah secular or was he communal?

    Jaswant Singh: It depends on the way you view the word ‘secular’ because I don’t know whether secular is really fully applicable to a country like India. It’s a word borne of the socio-historical and religious history of Western Europe.

    Karan Thapar: Let me put it like this. Many people believe that Jinnah hated Hindus and that he was a Hindu basher.

    Jaswant Singh: Wrong, totally wrong. That certainly he was not. His principal disagreement was with the Congress party. Repeatedly he says and he says this even in his last statements to the press and to the constituent Assembly of Pakistan.

    Karan Thapar: So his problem was with Congress and with some Congress leaders but he had no problem with Hindus.

    Jaswant Singh: No, he had no problems whatsoever with the Hindus. Because he was not in that sense, until in the later part of his years, he became exactly what he charged Mahatma Gandhi with. He had charged Mahatma Gandhi of being a demagogue.

    Karan Thapar: He became one as well?

    Jaswant Singh: That was the most flattering way of emulating Gandhi. I refer of course to the Calcutta killings.

    Karan Thapar: As you look back on Jinnah’s life, would you say that he was a great man?

    Jaswant Singh: Oh yes, because he created something out of nothing and single-handedly he stood up against the might of the Congress party and against the British who didn’t really like him.

    Karan Thapar: So you are saying to me he was a great man?

    Jaswant Singh: But I am saying so.

    Karan Thapar:Let me put it like this. Do you admire Jinnah?

    Jaswant Singh: I admire certain aspects of his personality: his determination and the will to rise. He was a self-made man–Mahatma Gandhi was a son of a Dewan.

    Karan Thapar: Nehru was born to great wealth.

    Jaswant Singh: All of them were born to wealth and position, Jinnah created for himself a position. He carved out in Bombay a position in that cosmopolitan city being what he was, poor. He was so poor he had to walk to work. He lived in a hotel called Watsons in Bombay and he told one of the biographers that there’s always room at the top but there is no lift and he never sought a lift.

    Karan Thapar: Do you admire the way he created success for himself, born to poverty but he ended up successful, rich?

    Jaswant Singh: I would admire that in any man, self-made man, who resolutely worked towards achieving what he had set out to.

    Karan Thapar: How seriously has India misunderstood Jinnah?

    Jaswant Singh: I think we misunderstood because we needed to create a demon.

    Karan Thapar: We needed a demon and he was the convenient scapegoat?

    Jaswant Singh: I don’t know if he was convenient. We needed a demon because in the 20th century the most telling event in the entire subcontinent was the partition of the country.

    Karan Thapar: I’ll come to that in a moment but first the critical question that your book raises is that how is it that the man, considered as the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity in 1916 had transformed 30 years later by 1947 into the ‘Qaid-e-Azam’ of Pakistan?

    And your book suggests that underlying this was Congress’ repeated inability to accept that Muslims feared domination by Hindus and that they wanted “space” in “a reassuring system”.

    Jaswant Singh: Here is the central contest between minoritism and majoritarianism. With the loss of the Mughal empire, the Muslims of India had lost power but majoritarianism didn’t begin to influence them until 1947. Then they saw that unless they had a voice in their own political, economical and social destiny, they would be obliterated. That is the beginning. That is still the purpose.

    Karan Thapar: Let me ask you this. Was Jinnah’s fear or anxiety about Congress majoritarianism justified or understandable? Your book in its account of how Congress refused to form a government with the League in UP in 1937 after fighting the elections in alliance with that party, suggests that Jinnah’s fears were substantial and real.

    Jaswant Singh: Yes. You have to go not just to 1937, which you just cited. See other examples. In the 1946 elections, Jinnah’s Muslim League wins all the Muslim seats and yet they do not have sufficient number to be in office because the Congress party has, even without a single Muslim, enough to form a government and they are outside of the government. So it was realised that simply contesting election was not enough.

    Karan Thapar: They needed certain assurances within the system to give them that space?

    Jaswant Singh : That’s right. And those assurances amounted to reservation, which I dispute frankly. Reservations went from 25 per cent to 33 per cent. And then from reservation that became parity, of being on equal terms. Parity to Partition.

    Karan Thapar : All of this was search for space?

    Jaswant Singh: All of this was a search for some kind of autonomy of decision making in their own social and economic destiny.

    Karan Thapar: Your book reveals how people like Gandhi, Rajagopalachari and Azad could understand the Jinnah or the Muslim fear of Congress majoritarianism but Nehru simply couldn’t understand. Was Nehru insensitive to this?

    Jaswant Singh: No, he wasn’t. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru was a deeply sensitive man.

    Karan Thapar: But why couldn’t he understand?

    Jaswant Singh: He was deeply influenced by Western and European socialist thought of those days. For example dominion status would have given virtual independence to India in the 20s (but Nehru shot it down).

    Karan Thapar: In other words, Nehru’s political thinking and his commitment to Western socialist thought meant that he couldn’t understand Jinnah’s concerns about majoritarianism? Nehru was a centralist, Jinnah was a decentraliser?

    Jaswant Singh: That’s right. That is exactly (the point). Nehru believed in a highly centralised polity. That’s what he wanted India to be. Jinnah wanted a federal polity.

    Karan Thapar: Because that would give Muslims the space?

    Jaswant Singh: That even Gandhi also accepted.

    Karan Thapar: But Nehru couldn’t.

    Jaswant Singh: Nehru didn’t.

    Karan Thapar: He refused to?

    Jaswant Singh: Well, consistently, he stood in the way of a federal India until 1947 when it became a partitioned India.

    Karan Thapar: In fact, the conclusion of your book is that if Congress could have accepted a decentralised federal India, then a united India, as you put it, “was clearly ours to attain”. You add that the problem was that this was in “an anathema to Nehru’s centralising approach and policies”.

    Do you see Nehru at least as responsible for Partition as Jinnah?

    Jaswant Singh: I think he says it himself. He recognised it and his correspondence, for example with late Nawab Sahab of Bhopal, his official biographer and others. His letters to the late Nawab Sahab of Bhopal are very moving letters.

    Karan Thapar: You are saying Nehru recognised that he was as much of an obstacle.

    Jaswant Singh: No, he recognised his mistakes afterwards.

    Karan Thapar: Afterwards?

    Jaswant Singh: Afterwards.

    Karan Thapar: Today, Nehru’s heirs and party will find it very surprising that you think that Nehru was as responsible for Partition as Jinnah.

    Jaswant Singh: I am not blaming anybody. I’m not assigning blame. I am simply recording what I have found as the development of issues and events of that period.

    Karan Thapar: When Indians turn around and say that Jinnah was, to use a colloquialism, the villain of Partition, your answer is that there were many people responsible and to single out Jinnah, as the only person or as the principal person, is both factually wrong and unfair?

    Jaswant Singh: It is. It is not borne out of events. Go to the last All India Congress Committee meeting in Delhi in the June of 1947 to discuss and accept the June 3, 1947 resolution. Nehru-Patel’s resolution was defeated by the Congress, supported by Gandhi in the defeat.

    Ram Manohar Lohia had moved the amendment. It was a very moving intervention by Ram Manohar Lohia and then Gandhi finally said we must accept this Partition. Partition is a very painful event. It is very easy to assign blame but very difficult thereafter. Because all events that we are judging are ex post facto.

    Karan Thapar: Absolutely, and what your book does is to shed light in terms of a new assessment of Partition and the responsibility of the different players. And in that re-assessment, you have balanced differently between Jinnah and Nehru?

    Jaswant Singh: All vision which is ex post facto is 20/20. It is when you actually live the event.

    Karan Thapar: Quite right. Those who have lived it would have seen it differently but today, with the benefit of hindsight, you can say that Jinnah wasn’t the only or the principal villain and the Indian impression that he was is mistaken and wrong?

    Jaswant Singh: And we need to correct it.

    Karan Thapar: Let’s turn to Jinnah and Pakistan. Your book shows that right through the 20s and the 30s, or may be even the early years of the 40s, Pakistan for Jinnah was more of a political strategy, less of a target and a goal. Did he consciously, from the very start, seek to dismember and divide India?

    Jaswant Singh: I don’t think it was dismemberment. He wanted space for the Muslims. And he could just not define Pakistan ever. Geographically, it was a vague idea. That’s why ultimately it became a moth-eaten Pakistan. He had ideas about certain provinces which must be Islamic and one-third of the seats in the Central legislature must be Muslims.

    Karan Thapar: So Pakistan was in fact a way of finding, as you call it, ‘space’ for Muslims?

    Jaswant Singh: He wanted space in the Central legislature and in the provinces and protection of the minorities so that the Muslims could have a say in their own political, economic and social destiny.

    Karan Thapar: And that was his primary concern, not dividing India or breaking up the country?

    Jaswant Singh: No. He in fact went to the extent of saying that let there be a Pakistan within India.

    Karan Thapar: A Pakistan within India was acceptable to him?

    Jaswant Singh: Yes.

    Karan Thapar: So in other words, Pakistan was often ‘code’ for space for Muslims?

    Jaswant Singh:That’s right. From what I have written, I find that it was a negotiating tactic because he wanted certain provinces to be with the Muslim League. He wanted a certain percentage (of seats) in the Central legislature. If he had that, there would not have been a partition.

    Karan Thapar: Would you therefore say that when people turn around and say that Jinnah was communal, he was a Hindu hater, a Hindu basher that they are mistaken and wrong?

    Jaswant Singh: He was not a Hindu hater but he had great animosity with the Congress party and Congress leadership . He said so repeatedly: I have no enmity against the Hindu.

    Karan Thapar: Do you as an author believe him when he said so?

    Jaswant Singh: I don’t live in the same time as him. I go by what his contemporaries have said, I go by what he himself says and I reproduce it.

    Karan Thapar: Let’s come again to this business of using Pakistan to create space for Muslims. Your book shows how repeatedly people like Rajagopalachari, Gandhi and Azad were understanding of the Jinnah need or the Muslim need for space. Nehru wasn’t. Nehru had a European-inherited centralised vision of how India should be run. In a sense was Nehru’s vision of a centralised India, a problem that eventually led to partition?

    Jaswant Singh: Jawaharlal Nehru was not always that. He became that after his European tour of the 20s. Then he came back imbued with, as Madhu Limaye puts it, ‘spirit of socialism’ and he was all for highly centralised India.

    Karan Thapar: And a highly centralized India denied the space Jinnah wanted.

    Jaswant Singh: A highly centralised India meant that the dominant party was the Congress party. He (Nehru) in fact said there are only two powers in India — the Congress party and the British.

    Karan Thapar: That attitude in a sense left no room for Jinnah and the Muslim League in India?

    Jaswant Singh: That is what made Jinnah repeatedly say but there is a third force — we. The Congress could have dealt with the Moplas but there were other Muslims.

    Karan Thapar: So it was this majoritarianism of Nehru that actually left no room for Jinnah?

    Jaswant Singh: It became a contest between excessive majoritarianism, exaggerated minoritism and giving the referee’s whistle to the British.

    Karan Thapar: Was the exaggerated minoritism a response to the excessive majoritarianism of Congress?

    Jaswant Singh: In part. Also in response to the historical circumstances that had come up.

    Karan Thapar: If the final decision had been taken by people like Gandhi, Rajagopalachari or Azad, could we have ended up with united India?

    Jaswant Singh: Yes, I believe so. It could have. Gandhi said let the British go home, we will settle this amongst ourselves, we will find a Pakistan. In fact, he said so in the last AICC meetings.

    Karan Thapar: It was therefore Nehru’s centralising vision that made that extra search for united India difficult at the critical moment?

    Jaswant Singh: He continued to say so but subsequently, after Partition, he began to realise what a great mistake he had made.

    Karan Thapar: Nehru realised his mistakes but it was too late, by then it had happened.

    Jaswant Singh: It was too late. It was too late.

    Karan Thapar: Let’s end this first interview there. In the next part I want to talk to you about the relationship between the early Gandhi and Jinnah, the questions you raise about Partition and the predicament of Indian Muslims.
    Devil’s Advocate with Jaswant Singh: Part II

    Karan Thapar: Let us start this second interview with the portrait you paint of the relationship between the early Gandhi and the early Jinnah.

    You say of their first meeting in January 1915 that Gandhi’s response to Jinnah’s “warm welcome” was “ungracious”. You say Gandhi would only see Jinnah “in Muslim terms”, and the sort of implication that comes across is Gandhi was less accommodating than Jinnah was.

    Jaswant Singh: I have perhaps not used the adjective you have used. Jinnah returned from his education in 1896. Gandhi went to South Africa and was returning finally–in between he had come once–to India it was 1915 already.

    Jinnah had gone to receive him with Gokhale and he referred fulsomely to Gandhi. Gandhi referred to Jinnah and said that I am very grateful that we have a Muslim leader. That I think was born really of Gandhi’s working in South Africa and not so much the reality of what he felt. The relationship subsequently became competitive.

    Karan Thapar: But you do call that response “ungracious”?

    Jaswant Singh: I don’t know whether I call it ungracious?

    Karan Thapar: You do.

    Jaswant Singh: But I might have. Jinnah is fulsomely receiving Gandhi and Gandhi says I am glad that I am being received by a Muslim leader.

    Karan Thapar: So he was only seeing Jinnah in Muslim terms?

    Jaswant Singh: Yes, which Jinnah didn’t want to be seen.

    Karan Thapar: Even when you discuss the impact of their political strategies in the early years before 1920 you suggest that Jinnah was perhaps more effective than Gandhi, who in a sense permitted the Raj to continue for three decades. You write “Jinnah had successfully kept the Indian political forces together, simultaneously exerting pressure on the government.”

    Of Gandhi you say “that pressure dissipated and the Raj remained for three more decades”.

    Jaswant Singh: That is a later development, because the political style of the two was totally different. Jinnah was essentially a logician.

    He believed in the strength of logic; he was a Parliamentarian; he believed in the efficacy of parliamentary politics. Gandhi, after testing the water, took to the trails of India and he took politics into the dusty villages of India.

    Karan Thapar: But in the early years up till 1920 you see Jinnah as more effective in putting pressure on the British than Gandhi.

    Jaswant Singh: Yes, because entire politics was parliamentary.

    Karan Thapar: The adjectives you use to characterise their leadership in the early years suggests a sort of, how shall I put it, slight tilt in Jinnah’s favour.

    You say of Gandhi’s leadership that it had “an entirely religious, provincial character”. Of Jinnah’s you say he was “doubtless imbued by a non-sectarian nationalistic zeal.”

    Jaswant Singh: He was non-sectarian. Gandhi used religion as a personal expression. Jinnah used religion as a tool to create something but that came later. For Gandhi religion was an integral part of his politics from the very beginning.

    Karan Thapar: And Jinnah wanted religion out of politics.

    Jaswant Singh: Out of politics. That is right–there are innumerable examples.

    Karan Thapar: In fact, Jinnah sensed or feared instinctively that if politics came into religion it would divide.

    Jaswant Singh: There were two fears here. His one fear was that if the whole question or practice of mass movement was introduced into India then the minority in India would be threatened.

    There could be Hindu-Muslim riots as a consequence. The second fear was that this will result in bringing in religion into Indian politics. He didn’t want that–Khilafat movement, etc are all examples of that.

    Karan Thapar: And in a sense would you say events have borne out Jinnah?

    Jaswant Singh: Not just Jinnah, Annie Besant also. When the Home Rule League broke up–resigning from the League, Annie Beasant cautioned Gandhi you are going down this path, this is a path full of peril.

    Karan Thapar: Both Jinnah and Beasant have been borne out.

    Jaswant Singh: In the sense that mass movement, unless combined with a great sense of discipline, leadership and restraint, becomes chaotic.

    Karan Thapar: As you look back on their lives and their achievements, Jinnah, at the end of the day, stood for creating a homeland for Indian Muslims. But what he produced was moth-eaten and broke up into two pieces in less than 25 years. Gandhi struggled to keep India united, but ended up not just with Partition but with communal passion and communal killing. Would you say at the end of their lives both were failures?

    Jaswant Singh: Gandhi was transparently a honest man. He lived his political life openly. Jinnah didn’t even live his political life, leave alone his private life, openly. Gandhi led his private life openly–(in) Noakhali with a pencil stub he wrote movingly “I don’t want to die a failure but I fear I might.”

    Karan Thapar: And did he in your opinion.

    Jaswant Singh: Yes, I am afraid the Partition of land, the Hindu-Muslim divide, cannot be really called Gandhiji’s great success.

    Jinnah, I think, did not achieve what he set out to. He got what is called a moth-eaten Pakistan, but the philosophy which underlaid that Muslims are a separate nation was completely rejected within years of Pakistan coming into being.

    Karan Thapar: So, in a sense, both failed.

    Jaswant Singh: I am afraid I have to say that. I am, in comparison, a lay practitioner of politics in India. I cannot compare myself to these two great Indians but my assessment would lead me to the conclusion that I cannot treat this as a success either by Gandhi or by Jinnah.

    Karan Thapar: Your book also raises disturbing questions about the Partition of India. You say it was done in a way “that multiplied our problems without solving any communal issue”.

    Then you ask “if the communal, the principal issue, remains in an even more exacerbated form than before then why did we divide at all?”

    Jaswant Singh: Yes, indeed why? I cannot yet find the answer. Look into the eyes of the Muslims who live in India and if you truly see through the pain they live–to which land do they belong?

    We treat them as aliens, somewhere inside, because we continue to ask even after Partition you still want something? These are citizens of India–it was Jinnah’s failure because he never advised Muslims who stayed back.

    Karan Thapar: One of the most moving passages of your biography is when you write of Indian Muslims who stayed on in India and didn’t go to Pakistan.

    You say they are “abandoned”, you say they are “bereft of a sense of kinship”, not “one with the entirety” and then you add that “this robs them of the essence of psychological security”.

    Jaswant Singh: That is right, it does. That lies at the root of the Sachar Committee report.

    Karan Thapar:So, in fact, Indian Muslims have paid the price in their personal lives.

    Jaswant Singh: Without doubt, as have Pakistani Muslims.

    Karan Thapar: Muslims have paid a price on both sides.

    Jaswant Singh: I think Muslims have paid a price in Partition. They would have been significantly stronger in a united India, effectively so–much larger land, every potential is here. Of course Pakistan or Bangladesh won’t like what I am saying.

    Karan Thapar: Let us for a moment focus on Indian Muslims. You are a leader of the BJP. Do you think the rhetoric of your party sometimes adds to that insecurity?

    Jaswant Singh: I didn’t write this book as a BJP parliamentarian or leader, which I am not. I wrote this book as an Indian.

    Karan Thapar: Your book also suggests, at least intellectually, you believe India could face more Partitions. You write: “In India, having once accepted this principle of reservation, then of Partition, how can now we deny it to others, even such Muslims as have had to or chosen to live in India.”

    Jaswant Singh: The problem started with the 1906 reservation. What does Sachar committee report say? Reserve for the Muslim. What are we doing now? Reserve. I think this reservation for Muslims is a disastrous path. I have myself, personally, in Parliament heard a member subscribing to Islam saying we could have a third Partition too. These are the pains that trouble me. What have we solved?

    Karan Thapar:In fact you say in your book how can we deny it to others, having accepted it once it becomes very difficult intellectually to refuse it again.

    Jaswant Singh: You have to refuse it.

    Karan Thapar: Even if you contradict yourself?

    Jaswant Singh: Of course, I am contradicting myself. It is intellectual contradiction.

    Karan Thapar: But you are being honest enough to point out that this intellectual contradiction lies today at the very heart of our predicament as a nation.

    Jaswant Singh: It is. Unless we find an answer, we won’t find an answer to India-Pakistan-Bangladesh relations.

    Karan Thapar: And this continuing contradiction is the legacy of Partition?

    Jaswant Singh: Of course, it is self-evident.

    Karan Thapar: Mr. Jaswant Singh, let’s come to how your book will be received. Are you worried that a biography of Jinnah, that turns on its head the received demonisation of the man; where you concede that for a large part he was a nationalist with admirable qualities, could bring down on your head a storm of protest?

    Jaswant Singh: Firstly, I am not an academic. Sixty years down the line someone else–an academic–should have done it. Then I wouldn’t have persisted for five years. I have written what I have researched and believed in. I have not written to please–it’s a journey that I have undertaken, as I explained myself, along with Mohd Ali Jinnah – from his being an ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity to the Qaid-e-Azam of Pakistan

    Karan Thapar: In a sense you were driven to write this book.

    Jaswant Singh: Indeed, I still search for answers. Having worked with the responsibilities that I had, it is my duty to try and find answers.

    Karan Thapar: And your position is that if people don’t like the truth as you see it – so be it, but you have to tell the truth as you know it.

    Jaswant Singh: Well, so be it is your way of putting it, my dear Karan, but how do I abandon my search, my yearning and what I have found? If I am wrong then somebody else should go and do the research and prove me as wrong.

    Karan Thapar: In other words you are presenting what you believe is the truth and you can’t hide it.

    Jaswant Singh: What else can I do, what else can I present?

    Karan Thapar: In 2005, when L K Advani called Jinnah’s August 11, 1947 speech secular he was forced to resign the presidentship of the party, are you worried that your party might turn on you in a similar manner?

    Jaswant Singh: This is not a party document, and my party knows that I have been working on this. I have mentioned this to Shri Advani as also to others.

    Karan Thapar: But are they aware of your views and the content of the book?

    Jaswant Singh: They can’t be aware unless they read it.

    Karan Thapar: Are you worried that when they find out about your views, and your analyses and your conclusion, they might be embarrassed and angry?

    Jaswant Singh: No, they might disagree, that’s a different matter. Anger? Why should there be anger about disagreement?

    Karan Thapar: Can I put something to you?

    Jaswant Singh: Yes.

    Karan Thapar: Mr Advani in a sense suffered because he called Jinnah secular. You have gone further, you have compared him to the early Gandhi. And some would say that Gandhi is found a little wanting in that comparison. Will that inflame passions?

    Jaswant Singh: I don’t think Gandhi is found wanting. He was a different person. They are two different personalities, each with their characteristics, why should passions be inflamed? Let a self-sufficient majority, 60 years down the line of Independence, be able to stand up to what actually happened pre-47 and in 1947.

    Karan Thapar: So what you are saying is that Gandhi and Jinnah were different people, we must learn to accept that both had good points.

    Jaswant Singh: Of course.

    Karan Thapar: And both had weaknesses.

    Jaswant Singh: Of course. Gandhi himself calls Jinnah a great Indian, why don’t we recognise that? Why did he call him that? He tells Mountbatten “give the Prime Ministership of India to Jinnah.” Mountbatten scoffs at him, “are you joking?” He says, “no I am serious, I will travel India and convince India and carry this message”.

    Karan Thapar: So if today’s Gandhians, reading the passages where you compare between the two, come to the conclusion that you are more of praise of Jinnah than of Gandhi.

    Jaswant Singh: I don’t think I am. I am objective as far as human beings have ability to be objective. As balanced as an author can be.

    Karan Thapar: As balanced as an author can be.

    Jaswant Singh: Indeed, indeed. How else can it be?

    Karan Thapar: Your party has a Chintan Baithak starting in two days time, does it worry you that at that occasion some of your colleagues might stand up and say – your views, your comments about Jinnah, your comments about Gandhi and Nehru have embarrassed the BJP?

    Jaswant Singh: I don’t think so, I don’t think they will. Because in two days time the book would not have been (read). It’s almost a 600-page book. Difficult to read 600 pages in two days.

    Karan Thapar: No one will have read the book by the time you go to Simla!

    Jaswant Singh: Yes (Laughs).

    Karan Thapar: But what about afterwards?

    Jaswant Singh: Well, we will deal with the afters when the afters come.

    Karan Thapar: Let me raise two issues, that could be a problem for you. First of all, your sympathetic understanding of Muslims left behind in India. You say they are abandoned, you say they are bereft, you say they suffer from psychological insecurity. That’s not normally a position leaders of the BJP take.

    Jaswant Singh: I think, the BJP is misunderstood also in its attitude towards the minorities. I don’t think it is so. Every Muslim that lives in India is a loyal Indian and we must treat them as so.

    Karan Thapar: But you are the first person from the BJP I have ever heard say, “look into the eyes of Indian Muslims and see the pain.” No one has ever spoken in such sensitive terms about them before.

    Jaswant Singh: I am born in a district, that is my home–we adjoin Sind, it was not part of British India. We have lived with Muslims and Islam for centuries. They are part…. In fact in Jaisalmer, I don’t mind telling you, Muslims don’t eat cow and the Rajputs don’t eat pig.

    Karan Thapar: So your understanding of Indian Muslims and their predicament is uniquely personal and you would say…

    Jaswant Singh: Indeed because I think what has happened is that we try and treat this whole thing as if it’s an extension of the image of the UP Muslim. Of course the UP (Muslim) is…Pakistan is a stepchild of UP in a sense.

    Karan Thapar: The second issue that your book raises, which could cause problems for you, is that at least theoretically, at least intellectually, you accept that their could be, although you hope their won’t be, further partitions. Could that embarrass you?

    Jaswant Singh: No, I am cautioning. I am cautioning India, Indian leadership. I have said that I am not going to be a politician all my life, or even a member of Parliament. But I do say this – we should learn from what we did wrong, or didn’t do right, so that we don’t repeat the mistakes.

    Karan Thapar: In other words this is – how shall I put it, a wake up call?

    Jaswant Singh: Wake-up? Shaking….

    Karan Thapar: A shake-up call!

    Jaswant Singh: Yeah (Smiles)

    Karan Thapar: My last question. Critics in your party, allege that you are responsible for the party losing seats in Rajasthan, they allege that you are responsible for asking questions about the sanctity of Hindutva. Now, after this book, have you fed your critics more ammunition against yourself?

    Jaswant Singh: Time will tell (Smiles).

    Karan Thapar: But does it worry you?

    Jaswant Singh: Do I look worried? (Smiles)

    Karan Thapar: With that smile on your face Mr. Jaswant Singh. Thank you very much for these two special interviews.

    Jaswant Singh: Thank you very much.

  217. #218 by Varun Suri on August 20, 2009 - 7:24 AM

    After being badly beaten and bruised in the recent Elections. The BJP has hit the last nail on the coffin by sacking a honest and a 30 Yr old Senior Leader. The downward spiral of BJP which begun after Vajpayee left has only gathered more pace wih this action. Educated and sensitive Indians (Some of them ex-BJP supporters) would not be trusting a party which is so insecure about their principles that they can be effected by just a Book or an Open-Discussion on a controversial topic.

    There is no difference between the people who are behind this decision and the Taliban who also suddenly and abruptly issue fatwas against anything and anyone they don’t approve of. BJP suffers a void in the leadership and the current party head is just a puppet controlled by RSS and if someone demonises Gandhi/Nehru/Sardar Vallabbhai Patel and praises Jinnah !! Well that is certainly against their core value or thought process but if they really want to be seen as the only alternative to Congress Party in India then they should have encouraged an open dialogue instead of just expelling Jaswant Singh.

  218. #219 by khansahab on August 20, 2009 - 8:43 AM

    Varun

    Thanks for that article and I agree with you. The problem is that across the whole world people are getting more intolerant and dogmatic. It is not just in a religious way, but also in a social and cultural way. Europe is electing right wing leaders to clamp down on Islam. India is also producing these extreme views and reactions. Meanwhile, religious extremism is on a rise in Pakistan and other Muslim countries.

    People have become very materialistic. Yesterday I was reading about just how many Muslims from the UK are fleeing because of propaganda against them by the media and far right parties. Most of them are going to the Middle East or back to their countries of origin. That is not the right approach- one has to protest and stand up. A secular and liberal society promises equal rights and opportunities of all, and the subjects of that society must work to ensure they get their piece of the cake. This is exactly my advice to Muslims in the UK/Europe as well as India. A lot of this is in their hands too and if people are becoming intolerant of them, they need to react positively and change those opinions rather than react negatively and disassociate themselves from society or flee from the society.

  219. #220 by khansahab on August 20, 2009 - 8:49 AM

    So Younis does not want to play Butt, the but selectors are “double minded”. In Pakastan there is no sanction for poor performance, it seems. A player can look absolutely rubbish and clueless in 2 or 3 series and the selectors will select him again because of his so called “experience”. Butt is actually a flat track bully and his experience outside the subcontinent has not exactly been memorable.

    Meanwhile, promising batsman Fawad Alam may pay the price as Malik’s exclusion is not even in contention. I was wondering if we will even see SOME mention of Malik not impressing the selectors or the captain, but his selection is 100% guaranteed. Why can’t they drop Malik and select Fawad Alam, who can bat better than Malik in EVERY circumstance?

    I would go with the following XI:

    K Akmal
    F Alam
    Afridi
    Younis
    Yousuf
    U Akmal
    Razzaq
    Mohd Asaf
    Gul
    Aamer
    Ajmal

    Champions Trophy will have bouncy pitches so having an extra pacer may help. On the other hand if Malik is playing, Ajmal might be dropped in order to accomodate an extra pacer.
    ———————————————–
    Pakistan face tough selection task on Friday

    Karachi: Pakistan selectors will have a tough task at hand when they sit to finalise the 15-member squad for the Champions Trophy tomorrow as they have to take the hard decision of either axing a promising young all-rounder or a senior player.

    The seven-member selection committee headed by former Test spinner Iqbal Qasim also have to take a hard look at the fitness of pace bowler Muhammad Asif, who has not played any competitive cricket since last July.

    “It is not going to be easy for the selectors when they sit down on Friday to finalise the Champions Trophy squad because in South Africa the conditions are tough at a higher altitude and there is need for experience,” a source said.

    The source said if the selectors decide to call up Asif then they will have to either axe allrounder Fawad Alam who scored a debut century in the Test series in Sri Lanka or a senior player.

    Fawad has become a good utility player for the team and plus the captain, coach and manager are very impressed with his commitment and attitude in the team regardless of whether he is playing or not,” the source said.

    He said if the selectors decide to retain Fawad then they would have to axe either one of three senior players including Mohammad Yousuf, Salman Butt or Misbah-ul-Haq.

    “Butt was already overlooked for the one-day series in Sri Lanka after a dismal show in the Tests and the captain is also said to be unhappy with his attitude and commitment so in all likelihood the selectors might opt to pick just one specialist opener in Imran Nazir and manage with makeshift openers like Fawad Alam, Kamran Akmal or even Shoaib Malik to partner him in the Champions Trophy,” the source said.

    He said if Butt was again ignored then finalising 15 men would not be a problem with Yousuf and Misbah retaining their places despite putting up a poor show in Sri Lanka.

    “But the selectors are double minded since Butt is an experienced opener and in South Africa it is always safe to open with a proper opening pair and not experiment,” the source said.

    However, the source said that allrounder, Rana Naved who excelled in Sri Lanka in the one-dayers, Shahid Afridi, Mohammad Aamer, Saeed Ajmal, Umar Gul and Abdul Razzaq were sure to be selected.

    “Rana is so confident of being picked for the Champions Trophy that he didn`t even bother to go back to England after the Sri Lankan series to resume his contract with Yorkshire,” the source said.

    According to the source, selectors have narrowed down to 18 players, namely: Imran Nazir, Salman Butt, Khalid Latif, Khurrum Manzoor, Umar Akmal, Younis Khan, Mohammad Yousuf, Misbah-ul-Haq, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal, Rana Naved, Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razzaq, Fawad Alam, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Aamer, Umar Gul, Saeed Ajmal.

  220. #221 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 20, 2009 - 10:24 AM

    Varun

    Thanks for the interview, it is very, very long for me at the moment I cannot read it in detail because, it is 6:00 a.m. here and I have a very, very long day ahead of me. I will read the whole interview later when I have more time to spare. But, while glancing through it, I noticed JS comments which you have highlighted: “it was Jinnah’s failure because he never advised Muslims who stayed back.”

    I don’t think it is Jinnah’s failure it is India’s failure that they cannot protect the Muslims of India who stayed back in India. It is Pakistan’s failure that their government is not stable and they are not united as a nation and deal with India on equal footings. India not only considers itself as a Big Brother, but actually bullies Pakistan and tries to dictate its terms, which Pakistan is not taking it like, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim.

    Pakistan needs to earn respect instead of demanding respect and for that they need to keep their house in order. I will get back to you on this later.

  221. #222 by Varun Suri on August 20, 2009 - 11:45 AM

    Javed,

    I intentionally highlighted such statements which would provoke you or anyone here to counter-argue. Maybe later when you read the whole interview you will realise that the author is not trying to blame anyone for whatever happened in the past and the reason why he made this statement is because at the time of partition Jinnah was the champion of Sub-Continental Muslims but nobody including him did seriously spare a thought for those Muslims who decided to stay back in the Hindu India being fully aware that the demand for a separate state for Muslims or more autonomy within a United Pre-partition India was raised by Jinnah due to the fact that he believed that Hindu and Muslims are two different societties and it was only under the British Rule that somehow they were co-existing together.

    So my point is everyone thought that once Pakistan would be created and all the Muslims will go there and then all the problems would be solved and both the countries would live happily ever after but as it turned out 60 Years later, there are more Muslims still in India than Pakistan, some of them under continious fear of communcal riots or named as a Terrorist and moreover the concept of Pakistan being an Islamic State is not accepted by those Pakistanis who still identify themselves as a part of the Indian Sub-Continent and not a part of the Middle East and hence racially&culturally similar to Indians and different than Arabs.

    So in essence as Jaswant Singh has expressed that this is a Wake or Shake up call for Indian Politicians because if in 1947 we can have a partition now 60 years later there is again a sizable chunk of Muslim popullation who if continually suppressed could lead to another Partition of India.

    If India really acted like a Big-Brother then they would not waited for Pakistan to achieve Nuclear Status, almost 25 Years after India was already Nuclear, they could have used this threat to achieve certain gains and concessions from Pakistan The day you see things more objectively you will realise there is no danger still on the eastern front( of Pakistan) as long as there is no infiltration that is the only reason when the Army gets involved and that is the reason why Kargil happened because there is no pushing from India’s side they are just keen on maintaining the Border but it is usually from the other side that often there are these guerilla fighters or Mujhaideens (often supported by the Pakistani Army as was seen during Kargil) who try to push the LOC eastwards by taking control of Strategically important posts such as Kargil which overlooks the only highway/connection between Srinagar (Indian Kashmir’s captial) and Leh(capital of the Laddakh region).

    I agree that India and it’s politicians and intelligence are no angels and there must be conspiracies to destabilse Pakistan or cause some kind of trouble but to this i would quote Prez. Musharaf although not exactly his words but i have seen him saying something similar to this atleast on 3 different occasions that ISI and RAW are no different and both act in the same way towards their Nation’s security and stability. I write this in my objection for you to blame India for any wrong-doings in and around Pakistan even when there is no connection

    for example :- Why do you continue to blame India for the break up of Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh when everyone knows and admits that the seeds of which were planted in the Non-representation and the continual racist behaviour of the Powerful Punjabi Politicia(PPP:)) towards theur Bengali counterparts. The Indian role connection of Mukhti Bahini and Army was only involved later when there were alteast 900000 Pakistani troops on the Border of Indian and Pakistan and India had to intervene and that led to the creation of Bangladesh.

    OR take the example of the cause of Baluchi rebels, it is only in the last 2 months PM Manmoham Singh has raised this issue to PM Gilani saying that they should put the evidence in front of the World if they think there is any Indian connection between the Baluchi Rebels and RAW/Indian Army. If there are people in Pakistan who are 100% sure of India’s hand in aiding the Baluchi rebels then why is the evidence not presented in front of the World instead websites like of A.Quresihi ony help them in becoming a Conspiracy “Theory as anyone with a decent General Knowledge can realise what kind of Propaganda that website is on the otherhand there is ample documented evidence from the Indian side as to what so many Indians are doing in Afghanistan from building schools, roads and hospitals to train the Afghan Officials and even supplying western style Toilets even when there is a continious threat of a ‘beheading’ by the Taliban if captured.

  222. #223 by Awas on August 20, 2009 - 1:12 PM

    Varun

    Jaswant Singh is a very decent politician and the treatment meted out to this senior politician by his party is very undemocratic to say the least. In today’s world issues such as Jaswant Singh raised within India need addressing and should be discussed rather than showing such small mindedness.

    The day you see things more objectively you will realise there is no danger still on the eastern front (of Pakistan) as long as there is no infiltration”.

    The fact of the matter is as is general realisation that the nations need to move away from war mongering as it achieves nothing and look to improve the living standards of its masses. Whether partition was good or bad is highly debateable but what can be done is to have a better system in Asia for the welfare of its people. A step in the direction of like the European Common market for the Sub-continent would be a good idea.

  223. #224 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 20, 2009 - 1:50 PM

    Varun;

    I have still not read the interview but I did read your new comment and me too, I am picking up the same lines as Awas did: “The day you see things more objectively you will realise there is no danger still on the eastern front (of Pakistan) as long as there is no infiltration”. Also, about your reference of Kargil war and why India waited 25 years?

    Yar, yae koi India, Pakistan cricket match nahee, it wasn’t that simple for India to take over Pakistan after Bangladesh due to the following reasons.

    1. Yes, the Punjabi hatred towards Bengalis cannot be denied and Tikka Khan’s massacre in East Pakistan cannot be denied and prior to that ZA Bhutto’s lust to rule the country is responsible in the creation of Pakistan, but you cannot deny the fact that, India not only helped the Mukti Bahini but, also trained them and it was all a planned move. It is a matter of history now so accept it and move ahead.

    2. The reason the same could not have happened on India’s west side is because, as opposed to East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) the people in Pakistan would never welcome any infiltrators like Mukti Bahini hence they knew that walking into Pakistan would not have been that easy.

    3. The reason there are more Pakistani casualties in the Kargil war is because the Pak army was ordered by Nawaz Sharif to retreat and he was under tremendous pressure from the Clinton Administration to comply to their orders and he did, later Nawaz lays all the blame on Musharraf. How easy!

    These are the three points that I had to write before I go off to work…… more laters.

  224. #225 by khansahab on August 20, 2009 - 2:02 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Afridi on Younis Khan in an interview conducted today:

    “Younis is like an older brother to me and a lot of the younger players. It doesnt make any difference to him whether a player is Punjabi, from Karachi, Pathan or whatever else, he treats everyone the same and really looks after all of us”.

  225. #226 by Awas on August 20, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    khansahab

    Hence Younus, as I always say, is a good Kapitaan.

    He just needs more free hand like Imran and Inzi.

  226. #227 by Awas on August 20, 2009 - 2:24 PM

    Varun

    One further thought. It is in India’s interest to have a stronger stable Pakistan than a weak chaotic country such as Afghanistan as it usually means more trouble for Pakistan such as Talibanisation problems and foreign terrorists. So, strengthening economic ties is in the interest of both countries.

    Why are there no troubles in Europe because all the neighbours are fairly stable and strong economically.

  227. #228 by khansahab on August 20, 2009 - 2:29 PM

    Varun

    In every conflict between 2 sides, there is always a 3rd or 4th player in the background who is helping to create or prolong that conflict.
    What Pakistanis and Indians need to do the most is that instead of throwing mud on each other, they need some introspection and they need to realise that it is in their mutual interests that they both prosper.

    India cannot afford to have an unstable Pakistan because of the religious fanatics in Pakistan and also because of Pakistan’s 60 odd nuclear warheads. Similarly Pakistan is also threatened by religious fanaticism within India and it is in Pakistan’s future regional and strategic interests that it is India’s friend rather than foe.

    Indians feel that Pakistan is the reason why there is disturbance in Kashmir, whereas on the Pakistani news channels and some channels of other Muslim countries, you see reports of Indians killing Muslim Kashmiris everyday. On the other hand, Pakistanis also feel that the tension in Baluchistan is because of India’s intervention but the Baluchis have never really accepted Pakistan and they it as a nothing federation. So what I am trying to say- that where there is smoke, there will be fire but sometimes there are multiple factors that can ignite that fire.

    That is why when Musharraf went to India and he was questioned over the ISI’s supposed involvement in terrorism, he said that ISI does exactly the same thing as India’s RAW. That is why I like Musharraf- he is a genuine man and he likes to lay all his cards on the table, but there is something about him that other countries respect. He invites respect for Pakistan and he puts Pakistan on the agenda, and at the same time his views promote peace and mutual respect between nations. A true leader.

  228. #229 by khansahab on August 20, 2009 - 6:29 PM

    South Africa squad: Graeme Smith (capt), Johan Botha, Hashim Amla, Mark Boucher (wk), AB de Villiers, JP Duminy, Herschelle Gibbs, Jacques Kallis, Albie Morkel, Makhaya Ntini, Wayne Parnell, Robin Peterson, Dale Steyn, Lonwabo Tsotsobe, Roelof van der Merwe

    South Africa’s squad for the CT. This is definitely the strongest squad. Most pundits think SA or India will win the tournament this time round. India’s squad:

    India one-day squad: Sachin Tendulkar, Gautam Gambhir, Rahul Dravid, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, MS Dhoni (capt/wk), Yusuf Pathan, Harbhajan Singh, Praveen Kumar, Ishant Sharma, Ashish Nehra, RP Singh, Amit Mishra, Dinesh Karthik, and Abhishek Nayar

  229. #230 by khansahab on August 20, 2009 - 11:25 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    According to unconfirmed sources, Geo Tv has reported that Yousuf and Razzaq will not be included in the Champions Trophy squad and Salman Butt will be included.

    It appears Malik and Misbah will be selected once again.

  230. #231 by M. Y. Kasim. on August 21, 2009 - 1:38 AM

    Varun,

    I have great respect for you.

    But the your contention that India waited 25 years for Pakistan go Nucluer is funny. Do you honestly believe India could have walked in just like that? More than half of India would have gone up to smoke and no power on earth could have stopped that carnage for decades.

    The defeat and surrender in East Pakistan was of our own choosing. We created the conditions and wanted to, so to speak “get rid of Bengalis” with blood, tears and humiliations. It is a long and shameful chapter and this is not the time or the place to dwell upon it. It is too painful for me, at least.

  231. #232 by M. Y. Kasim. on August 21, 2009 - 1:46 AM

    continues…

    93,000 troops could have gone to the hills and jungles and waged guerilla warfare for at least a decade. Not 100% Bengalis were against Pakistan, they would have supplied food and other essential items while arms and ammunitions could be had through Burma and China, if the Government in Islamabad wanted to.

  232. #233 by M. Y. Kasim. on August 21, 2009 - 2:27 AM

    I have a bad feeling that our selectors are going to select the following 15 players for the Champions Trophy:

    1. Younis Khan, Captain.
    2. Mohammed Yousuf.
    3. Shahid Afridi.
    4. Kamran Akmal.
    5. Imran Nazir.
    6. Fawad Alam.
    7. Umer Akmal.
    8. Saeed Ajmal
    9. Mohammed Aamer.
    10. Umer Gul.
    11. Mohammed Asif.
    12. Rana Naved-ul-Hassan.
    13. Rao Iftikhar Anjum.
    14. Misbah-ul-Haq.
    15. Shoaib Malik.

    Like most of you, I dont like Asif, but as he is the best fast bowler at the moment and if he has reformed, fit and in form, I grudgingly acceptt him. But the the last four named could easily be replaced by these talented youngsters who have shown tremendous form and promise. This is the perfect time to reward them for their outstanding performances.

    Ahmed Shehzad in place of Misbah ul Haq
    Umer Amin in place of Shoaib Malik
    Mohammed Talha in place of Rana Naved ul Hassan
    Wahab Riaz in place Rao Iftikhar Anjum

    I understand that one or two of these youngters are not in the list of 30 probables. But that list is NOT a Gospel document. It can be adjusted and amended as needed.

    But, please..please…please….DONT select SHOAIB AKHTAR or else,,,,,, I will follow my next favorite team === SOUTH AFRICA.

  233. #234 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 10:15 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has announced the 15-member probables for ICC Champions Trophy, Geo News reported Friday.

    Younis Khan (captain), Shahid Afridi, Muhammed Yousuf, Misbahul Haq, Kamran Akmal, Umer Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Saeed Ajmal, Umer Gul, Imran Nazir, Rana Naveed, Roa iftikhar, Fawwad Alam, Muhammed Amir and Muhammed Asif.

    PCB chief Ijaz Butt will formally announce the names of probables shortly.

    —————————
    So Malik and Misbah are back. On a different blog when I was alleging that there is politics in the team and Malik and Misbah will be selected for the CT, many people thought I was just being biased and whimsical. But this squad has shown I was right, although my first instinct was that Fawad Alam would be dropped. However, Fawad should thank Younis Khan because the coach and team manager were against his selection.

    The idiot Butt will not sack Inti Alam and Yawar Saeed, it seems. What a joke.

  234. #235 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 10:17 AM

    Kasim sahab

    Your suggestions are very fair and reasonable. However as you can see, Malik and Misbah are back. Rao and Rana are back too, it is a moot point how they can perform on the fast and bouncy pitches of South Africa, but as a matter of principle they should NOT have been selected. So this will be my playing XI now:

    Nazir
    Akmal
    Afridi
    Younis
    Yousuf
    U Akmal
    Alam
    Gul
    Asif
    Mohd Aamer
    Ajmal

    However, realistically speaking, Misbah will take Fawad’s position and Malik will probably be used as opener along with Akmal. I think Imran Nazir and Fawad Alam will miss out because of Malik and Misbah.

  235. #236 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 10:45 AM

    It was mentioned in comment 250 that:

    “Fawad has become a good utility player for the team and plus the captain, coach and manager are very impressed with his commitment and attitude in the team regardless of whether he is playing or not”.

    khnasahab, now you mention “However, Fawad should thank Younis Khan because the coach and team manager were against his selection”.

    Contradictions!!!

    God knows what is true but suspicion alone shouldn’t be turned into conviction.

  236. #237 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 21, 2009 - 10:45 AM

    How farcical this musical chairs game is that the m&m couple get permanent and privileged seats and how many more bad performances are needed to get rid of them? I knew R&R will also be retained in the bowling department and both are mediocre bowlers and the hard and bouncy wickets of SA will be a test for both of them. I am not sure if Rana has ever played in SA?

    Finally the Salibrayty and the Sooper Sataar Asaf is back in the squad without even proving his match fitness and we don’t know yet whether he is capable of taking wickets or not? If he succeeds in taking wickets then he gets a life long permanent place in the team. If he doesn’t he won’t be discarded bakaoz of his “estay-tus.”

    Gul’s fitness is also a question mark and, in Sri Lanka during the tests matches and ODI’s he was not as effective as he was in the T20, I hope he doesn’t get labeled as a T20 bowler only. Gul came into limelight with his 5 wickets match winning haul against India in Lahore but, then the stress fracture in his back kept him out for nearly two years.

    The team (squad) doesn’t have the patience to play a 50 over game, they are good for 20 overs. So, God bless this Pakistan team in the CT.

  237. #238 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 21, 2009 - 10:49 AM

    Awas

    I guess khansahab’s change of heart for Younis is because of his recent interviews! And, its a fact that Inti Alam and Yawar both are against Fawad Alam. A lot of people from different background have confirmed this. khansahab is surprised that both the coach and the manager are still there, he shouldn’t be because Butt is still there and as long as he is there he will keep the oldies around just for company.

  238. #239 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 10:57 AM

    Anyone but Butt

    Javed, I agree on that. As I said before only when Butt goes, the rest will follow suit.

  239. #240 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 21, 2009 - 11:00 AM

    I am watching the Ashes, there was a lot of talk about Flintoff but, he failed scored only 7 runs, on the contrary Stuart Broad has become more consistent with the bat like Mitchel Johnson of Australia and he scored 37 runs.

    There are a few fast bowlers who are scoring on a regular basis, Mitchel Johnson on the top, with Stuart Broad and Angelo Mathews of SL. And, the fast bowler who transformed himself into a reliable, dependable, decent, consistent opening batsman is Shane Watson. Since his injury he is not bowling, in Australia to retain a place in the team, you have to be really good. As I was writing, Shane Watson is under attack by Flintoff and there were to LBW shouts, Asad Rauf denied them both and rightly so, one was a bit high the other had a faint inside edge.

  240. #241 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 11:00 AM

    In this squad my main concern is that Mohd Asif really hasn’t performed domestically in a meaningful way to warrant his inclusion. Very unfair and risky!

  241. #242 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 21, 2009 - 11:04 AM

    Very unfair and risky! Awas

    Unfair on part of the young fast bowlers that they are neglected because of this super star culture in Pakistan and risky because they get thrashed and still get away with that, whereas a rookie if he gets thrashed once, he goes into oblivion.

    I am not sure if Asif has completed his one year ban? Secondly, bringing him straight into the team is like a convict getting released early and from the prison he goes straight to the Presidential Palace for a dinner party! This is Haram Tobi.

  242. #243 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 11:06 AM

    Awas

    Not only has he not had any domestic exposure, it is very difficult for any bowler to make a comeback after over a year and then get into rhythm. It has been an emotional decision to include Asif. Who knows, he might perform a few tricks with the new ball considering he is only a new ball bowler, but it will be difficult.

    Regarding my statement on Younis Khan, I mentioned the coach and team manager are against Fawad Alam because most of the reports and interviews I have read (and posted on LS) makes it seem like Younis wants to drop at least 1 of Malik and Misbah and play Fawad Alam instead, whereas the rest of the management wants to retain Butt, Malik and Misbah at all costs. Younis was the reason Fawad got to play in that Test where he made 168, and Younis dropped Alam because of pressure from the team management in the ODI series because Malik had to be dropped definitely and they didn’t want Malik to be singled out.

  243. #244 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 11:13 AM

    LOL

    Duniya TV reported that Razzaq has been left out because the team management does not consider him fit enough for ODI cricket.

    Cricinfo reported that Razzaq has been dropped because of mediocre performance in Sri Lanka.

    Geo Tv reported that Razzaq is nursing an injury which is why he was dropped.

    So what is it?

  244. #245 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 11:16 AM

    I was watching Younis Khan’s interview yesterday and he was asked what plans he had for the CT.
    He said, “You just see what we will do in the CT……we will replicate our T20 performance………I am confident of it.”

  245. #246 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 21, 2009 - 11:34 AM

    ON Abdul Razzaq

    khansahab, now you know how reliable these Indian and Pakistani TV channels and the media people are? They will never report the truth. Every time a famous player is dropped because of bad or poor performance they always say he is nursing an injury! Who they hell are they fooling? Last time when Misbah was dropped, the team manager and coach said, he wasn’t dropped, his blood sugar level went down and he had to take rest all Bull shit.

  246. #247 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 12:51 PM

    Viv Richards used to dope

    Ex-Pakistan cricketer Qasim Umar has claimed that former West Indies captain Vivian Richards used to take performance enhancement drugs.

    In a startling revelation, Qasim said the batting legend indulged in doping before the new anti-doping regulations were enforced by the ICC.

    Appearing on television talk show today, Umar, a controversial figure in Pakistan cricket, said Richards had himself confessed to him that he used to take drugs to release tension and improve his stamina and endurance levels.

    “Use of drugs was common among many players and they used to transport these drugs in their kit bags,” Umar, who represented Pakistan in 26 Tests and 31 ODIs said.

    He had also accused former Pakistan captain Imran Khan and other players of using their kit bags to transport drugs to the United Kingdom and was subsequently banned for life by the Pakistan Cricket Board.

    Umar’s accusation had led to the customs authorities at the Heathrow airport unleash sniffer dogs on the Pakistan team when they landed for a test tour in 1987.

    “I spoke the truth and I was penalised for it and my career was destroyed. But I stand by what I said. Players did use drugs and they transported them frequently in their kit bags,” he said.

    “I know of players who used and carried drugs. This was common until anti-doping laws became more stringent in international cricket and drugs cheats were caught,” he added.

    Umar recalled that on the 1993 tour to the West Indies, four Pakistani players only escaped a criminal trial in Grenada after they were arrested for smoking marijuana only because the cricket authorities back home told their West Indies counterparts that they would call back the team if the players were prosecuted.

    “The West Indies board relented because they faced financial problems.”

    Umar also blasted the PCB for failing to deliver the goods.

    “Honest and straight forward people can’t survive in Pakistan cricket which is perhaps the worst cricket system in the world. I spoke the truth and my career ended,” he said.

    He pointed out that the board was not properly utilising the services of former greats.

    “Differences apart there is no doubt that players like Miandad, Imran or Wasim Akram are born once in a while and I don’t think the position given to Miandad in the board at the present is according to his status as a cricketer and captain.

  247. #248 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 1:00 PM

    Awas

    If I recall correctly Qasim Umar was the hugely unpopular cricketer who was born in Kenya to a Kenyan mother and Pakistani father? I read that he used to play for Karachi and he was chucked out because of politics. Apparently the team members used to call him “Kaaliya” because of his dark complexion.

  248. #249 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 1:47 PM

    PCB sacks Aaqib Javed as assistant coach

    Former Pakistan Test pacer Aaqib Javed became the most high-profile casualty of the national team’s disastrous tour of Sri Lanka when he was sacked on Friday as assistant coach.

    Aaqib, 37, will not be a part of the Pakistan squad for the Champions Trophy in South Africa and has been replaced by Mohtashim Rasheed, a Karachi-born first-class cricketer who has served as a fielding coach of the national team in the past.
    Mohtashim, 40, is the younger brother of Haroon Rasheed, a former Pakistan Test batsman, currently serving as PCB’s Director of Game Development.

    Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt announced that it has been decided to replace assistant manager Mohammad Ahmed with Shafqat Rana, a former Test cricketer.

    However, the PCB decided against replacing the team’s 74-year-old manager Yawar Saeed, who was criticized bitterly by the media over his handling of reports of bookies contacting the Pakistani players in Sri Lanka.

    Butt made it clear that he will not take decisions to please the media. “We cannot fire our people just because the media wants us to,” said Butt, a former Pakistan Test cricketer.

    Speaking on the omission of Aaqib from the team management, Butt said he has “better plans” for the former Test pacer.

  249. #250 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 1:49 PM

    khansahab

    No wonder Qasim Umar looked African. He was Kaala-Dhoot.

  250. #251 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 1:50 PM

    Afridi replaces Misbah as Pak vice-captain for Champions Trophy

    KARACHI: Flamboyant allrounder Shahid Afridi was rewarded for his recent match-winning performances by being named the vice-captain of the Pakistan
    team for next month’s Champions Trophy.

    Afridi has replaced senior batsman Misbah-ul-Haq as Younis Khan’s deputy.

    Basically Misbah has been sent out a clear message that if he does not perform in the Champions Trophy he will be shown the door from the team,” an official in the Pakistan Cricket Board said on Friday.

    “In Sri Lanka when Misbah was struggling for runs, Younis had made it clear that it was difficult to drop him since he was the vice-captain and part of the tour selection committee,” the official said.

    He said Afridi had captained the side well in the lone Twenty20 match in Sri Lanka and this was also a reason he was appointed vice-captain for the Champions Trophy.

    Afridi has already made it clear that if the board offered him captaincy on a long-term basis, he would be interested in taking up the responsibility.

  251. #252 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 3:02 PM

    khansahab

    Afridi as VC is an excellent and desrving choice. Good work by PCB. Credit should be given when due.

    Basically Misbah has been sent out a clear message…”

    No one’s position is tenable on poor performance.

    I like to believe in facts rather than innuendos and rumours such as “deliberate underperformance”, “Malik, Misbah, Butt cannot be dropped”, “only captain supports Fawad, coach and manager don’t”.

    What matters is performance, performance, performance. No one can manipulate positions in the team by deliberate failures just to get Younus out. If such was the case that failures really don’t matter then under Taquir Zia’s era Junaid Zia “the boss’ undercooked son” would have played in every single match not discarded after just a few.

  252. #253 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 3:15 PM

    Awas

    Performance matters, but what super performance did we see from Misbah that led to his appointment as VC in the first place?

    PCB made a huge mistake, they realised it and now they have corrected it. But you can’t run a country, an organisation or a process by committing the same types of mistakes repeatedly because you will have no stability if you do that.

    Mohammad Asif was made VC when he didn’t deserve it. Butt was made VC and he could never perform after that. And then Misbah was made VC which was a completely emotional decision, like the decision to appoint Ijaz Butt as Chairman after Nasim Ashraf left.

    It is because you see a plethora of emotional and biased decisions that lack sense or logic, that you form these “innuendos and rumours”.

    I don’t think the criterion is performance only. Misbah and Malik have been selected for this mega event of CT and they have been performing badly for over a year. When they HAVE performed, it has been selfish performance and only after the team has already lost. Is it some kind of miracle or coincidence that Malik and Misbah are only performing when Pakistan has already lost the series? Plus there have been so many calls to drop Fawad Alam, and those calls and demands have been heralded by Ramiz Raja and Waqar Younis. Are those calls justified based only on 2 failures, on the same pitch where Shoaib Malik and others also failed? Did Fawad Alam not play one of the best knocks ever by an opener, on a seaming pitch chasing a lead of 200, under pressure and he was the only Pakistani opener to do that outside Pakistan? Surely they can give this guy more than just 2 chances if he has shown he can perform like that.

    The above paragraph contains facts, not innuendos and rumours and it also emphasises that performance should dictate selection. However, many people associated with the PCB clearly don’t see in those terms.

    I know that criterion you want to see is performance only, but it seems to me that PCB does not consider things in that way. Why is Misbah being given YET another chance? After his performance in UAE, his dismal performance in the T20 Cup and now his performance in Sri Lanka, does he really deserve more chances? He is 35 now and isn’t the PCB better off selecting a youngster and developing him rather than ruin somone else’s career to persist with Misbah? It makes no sense to select Misbah and again, it is an emotional and biased decision because he made a 50 in the last ODI against Sri Lanka.

  253. #254 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 3:34 PM

    Awas

    Also, Yawar Saeed was seen sleeping in one of the matches when the Pakistan middle order was falling like a deck of cards. And then Saeed was involved in that bookie conspiracy where he allegedly first reported that there were bookies in the hotel but then retracted his statement saying everything was fine and that he did not know anything about these bookies.

    So based on that, Saeed should have been the first one to go. But a newspaper reported that he is good friends with Ijaz Butt. So isn’t that a biased and emotional decision? If your team manager is sleeping while you’re performing badly then surely he should be sacked after the series has come to an end, if not immediately following the incident.

  254. #255 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 4:00 PM

    khansahab

    There is no question that Misbah and Malik should be dropped as far as us fans can see from their performances. However they are so called “established and senior players” and Younus himself has said many times he does not like to see senior players dropped on one bad series etc etc.

    There has been a culture in the team to stick with so called seniors. It has been under Inzi, before him and after him as well. It may not be so palatable to us but it has been the case always. Nevertheless, Butt and Malik for some games were dropped and rightly so. Besides, as the official said that Misbah has been put on notice, so his selection in the eleven would not always be a done thing.

    Yes, the criterion may not be “performance onlybut seniority and what Younus had been saying matters too. Even in this selection Younus would have been consulted. I don’t think the type of occasional performance of Misbah and Malik that you refer matters. As I said before performance is not something that they can bring in at whim at any point, they are not Don Bradman. Even Yousaf, Younus and Fawad cannot score runs every time.

    Yes, the previous vice-captain choices that you mentioned were all impulsive, crass decisions but at least for now the matter has been put right.

    What Waqar and Ramiz say about Fawad doesn’t matter. Neither are they selectors nor management. Personally, I have not heard them say that he should be dropped other than his technique being criticised and that is different.

  255. #256 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 4:20 PM

    Awas

    I totally agree with what you are saying and I know that unlike a lot of us you don’t make decisions based on emotions and bias.

    However, I don’t understand this concept of selecting senior players with a possible view to undermine them or caution them. In Pakistan you can’t select a senior player and let him sit on the bench. And then when the senior Malik was dropped, Fawad Alam was dropped too. People have been circulating pictures of Fawad Alam looking morose and grumpy when Pakistan was on the verge of winning the T20 against Sri Lanka. It was evident from his body language that he was dropped.

    Suppose Malik and Misbah make 1 50 in this CT. They will be selected AGAIN for future series. This is the problem I have. Half hearted and trivial performances can make these so called established players be selected repeatedly. I don’t think it is enough just to make Malik sit out in 3 matches or caution Misbah. They have to be dropped. You can read the situation both ways. Someone else can also think that Malik has “gotten away with it” despite being dropped earlier and now he is well and truly back. Whereas, the same can be said of Misbah. This warning or caution may be one final chance to say, “Make 1 or 2 fifties and you will be in the team for another 6 months”.

    This has to stop. They need to select players who perform when it matters and who play for the team. As far I can see Malik and Misbah have been given yet another lifeline and it is because of these lifelines that other players’ careers are ruined and the team has no stability or consistency.

  256. #257 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 4:42 PM

    khansahab

    I agree with most of what you say here but the notion that Misbah and Malik and for that matter ANY player can score a good innings at the drop of a hat to be able to secure their position, is laughable (if you don’t mind me saying that). You will be making them a Bradman to be able to do so.

    There was a big expectation from Flintoff to score big in this current match going on, his send-off match, but he was out for 7. Wouldn’t he liked to have score big? Inzi in his last test wanted to do the same and surpass Miandad but did it happen?

    ——————————————————————————————–

    khansahab

    This was in reference to what you had said above “I am 100% sure and I will bet my life on this that had Malik been playing in the 5th ODI, he would have made a 50”. 🙂

  257. #258 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 4:51 PM

    Awas

    Misbah scored at the last resort in UAE against Australia. Malik scored at the last resort in the 3rd Test in Sri Lanka. And then Misbah did the same in the 5th ODI against Sri Lanka. It seems like Malik does not even need to score at the last resorts anymore, because he has been selected for this CT.

    In fact Misbah has been doing this in every series except that series against India and the T20 Cup. It seems like they are very capable of performing when their careers are on the line. Otherwise they can’t perform when needed.

    In one of Younis’s interviews he said that certain players are not playing for the team. Surely you must have read it as it was pasted on LS. It is no surprise whom he was referring to.

    And by the way I will STILL bet my life on this that had Malik been playing in the 5th ODI he would have made a 50. That statement is sufficiently accurate if you look at Malik’s performances throughout his career.

  258. #259 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    khansahab

    Mostly what Younus has been saying repeatedly is there is “no discord”, “he cannot drop seniors on one or two bad performances” etc. No I don’t remember the exact words but if Younus said “certain players are not playing for the team”, then it’s more likely to be about playing a selfish, slow innings. Not about being able to play a good knock at whim.

    If you really believe “they are very capable of performing” then there is no argument, they should definitely play in every match. It’s then the players who are not Bradman type such as perhaps Younus and Yousaf who should worry about their positions 🙂

  259. #260 by Awas on August 21, 2009 - 5:21 PM

    khansahab

    If Malik was so good that he could score a good knock at whim then wouldn’t he liked to have done so when he was a captain so that he could remain captain for life – but did he?

    The point I am trying to make is they are just mediocre nothing players.

  260. #261 by M. Y. Kasim. on August 21, 2009 - 8:08 PM

    I guess my premonition about the composition of the team came true!!

    Each and every player I predicted have been selected and those young talented and deserving fast bowlers have been overlooked.

    I totally concurr with former fast bowler Mohammed Zahid that the way they are using and handling Mohammed Aamer, they will burn him out or worse stiil, injure him badly. With my suggested two boys viz: Mohammed Talha and Wahab Riaz, the team could rotate all the five pacers, thereby avoiding any risk of burn-out or serious injury and at the same time giving the youngsters valuable exposoure and international experience. At the end of the tournament, Pakistan would have a potent and formidable pace attack, just like Sri Lanka had developed after Vaas, Maharoof and Dilhara Fernando, they gave chance and exposures to Kulasekara, Thushara etc. and did not face the dilemma that Pakistan is facing after every good era.

    Even India has developed a decent pace attack. They initiated MRF foundation and hired best available domestic coaches and even had Dennis Lillee as head coach or something. I am not talking about other countries since they have a proper system whereby there are always two candidates available for one spot, such is the competition that there are NO Maliks or Misbahs and No Raos or Ranas.

    We have several ex-fast bowlers whome we can gainfully employ as coaches at different cities and towns and not conentrate only at Lahore. Give them free hand and AMPLE MONEY to pick up talented boys and show the results in a stipulated time. Make it look like a competition and they will produce something. Their reputation and ABOVE ALL their livelihood depends on it.

    We can request Sarfaraz Nawaz to stop loud mouthing for a change and do something constructive. We can give him a title of “Supreme Fast Bowling Instructor” to satisfy his fat ego.

    Now these two, Rana and Rao, we know what they capable of. They are not future prospects. Talha and Wahab ARE future prospects, along with few others. Invest in them. Like they say “Rub the Heena to get better color.”

    It is worth investing money on these kind of projects rather than wasting on futile and ill-advised legal battles and on flimsy pretext going to different parts of the world when normal business practice can be done by Phone, Fax, Internet and other modern devices. The Chairman and other officials dont have to travel first-class, stay at five-star hotels along with their families and do the expensive shoppings at the Board’s expense. That would not promote cricket in Pakistan!1

    Somebody has to raise their voice against this blatant HIGHWAY ROBBERY.

  261. #262 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 8:22 PM

    Ramzan Mubarak to all.

    The texts, emails and greetings have started coming in. People are advising me to be as noble and righteous this month. The doors of heaven open this blessed month and indeed it is a month of blessings.

    However, I don’t understand why there is emphasis on being righteous and noble only in this month. Why don’t these texts and emails pour in other times of the year? The whole point of religion is inner development and introspection. It seems Muslims are only thinking about this in 30 days out of 365.

    Why do people perform the tenets of religion only because they feel threatened of being punished in the afterlife? Why not do good for the sake of doing good, rather than because doing otherwise means some kind of accountability or condemnation in the future?

    There will no be spiritual progress or inner development if the tenets of religion will keep being followed in this way. The concept of prayer amongst other tenets must be a selfless one. You must pray because you should worship God, not because if you don’t, you will get beaten, or burnt, or tortured for it. When you start believing that, you don’t pray because of your love for God, or because you want to adopt discipline in your life, or because you want to do good or sacrifice your freedom for a few minutes or whatever. You do it because of fear. It is like making you do something at gunpoint. I don’t call it free will.

    My views may offend some people and I apologise in advance for it. Of course, fasting, praying, charity etc, are necessary virtues, but they have to be practised because they are the right things to do. If you want to give to the needy, give because you want to give, not because if you don’t, you will get tortured and burnt for it.

    If that is how religion keeps being preached, then there is no point because people will just grow up selfish. What a dilemma. If you warn people of the sanctions and the agony of sin, then there is a risk they will do good just because they are scared (even though they don’t admit it). On the other hand, if you ask them to do good because that is the right thing to do, there is always a risk that they will not listen to you, which is why you need to threaten them or warn them of torturous consequences in the first place. So one way or the other, it seems people have this propensity to commit evil. I think I now understand what William Golding was getting at when he wrote, “Lord of the Flies”- man is essentially evil, and his actions are only dictated by selfish interests.

    Nevertheless, the process of cleansing your spiritual self must begin somewhere. I hope readers will join me as I pledge to be a better me. I say this every Ramzan. In the face of evil, selfishness, biases, jealousy, ego, corruption, I think I am not doing too badly if I at least honestly intend to be a better me. I guess it’s the thought, or “niyat”, that counts.

  262. #263 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 8:30 PM

    Omer

    That last sentence of yours was very good. I am agree with you.

  263. #264 by khansahab on August 21, 2009 - 9:20 PM

    Omer

    I see no difference between religion and morality. That is because, I feel religion is more about the inner self, rather than “rituals” which are to do with the outer self. But yeah, I agree that a non religious person can be a good person too. And at the same time you find many people who are good at performing the rituals of religion like prayer, fasting, Hajj etc, but they are very biased and bigoted people.

  264. #265 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2009 - 1:01 AM

    khansahab

    prayer, fasting Hajj (etc.,) as you say are rituals, these are NOT rituals but the pillars of Islam and the other most important is believing in Allah and His prophet (Mohammad) and the most important thing is Taqwa. Islam doesn’t insist on performing only rituals like the sacrifice of animals after Hajj but, there is a message and a lesson behind it. Fasting does not mean not eating, it is only abstaining from food. The true sense of fasting is in practicing Taqwa and self control. Islam teaches us morality and emphasize the need of being an honest person, morality without honesty does not exist.

    Those who are biased and crooked have nothing to do either with morality or religion. They are hypocrites and could be anyone. Islam is a way of life. Those (Hajj, prayers, fasting) are the prerequisites of Islam and those who honestly and sincerely practice religion they do possess morality and righteousness.

  265. #266 by khansahab on August 22, 2009 - 8:47 AM

    youtube.com/watch?v=1R4KfYuDrvU

    Barack Hussein Obama extends Ramadhan greetings to Muslims across the world.

  266. #267 by khansahab on August 22, 2009 - 9:04 AM

    Javed A Khan

    The Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary defines the word “ritual” as: a set of fixed actions and sometimes words performed regularly, especially as part of a ceremony

    The pillars of Islam satisfy that definition of a “ritual” and by mentioning this word I did not want to undermine the importance of these pillars. However, one must assess what the meaning the behind those pillars are, as you have indicated by mentioning honesty and discipline. Still more than half the Muslims perform these pillars in one way or the other, but they seem to not implement what the real purpose behind the performance is. Prayer is about discipline, fasting is about tolerance and patience, charity is about selflessness, Hajj is about devotion, and Kalma is obviously about belief. But, when I look around and see the Muslims who pray the most, fast the most and have performed a lot of pilgrimages, I don’t see the qualities that these pillars are meant to develop.

    There is no point attending a school just for the sake of attending it, unless you can’t be bothered to learn what is being taught and apply it. That was my whole argument. And I am not saying one should stop performing these pillars, but that performing these pillars also means learning something from it.

  267. #268 by khansahab on August 22, 2009 - 9:13 AM

    Australia’s CT squad. Without a doubt, South Africa, India and Australia have the strongest teams.

    Australia squad: Ricky Ponting (captain), Michael Clarke (vice-captain), Nathan Bracken, Callum Ferguson, Brad Haddin, Nathan Hauritz, Ben Hilfenhaus, James Hopes, Michael Hussey, Mitchell Johnson, Brett Lee, Peter Siddle, Adam Voges, Shane Watson, Cameron White

  268. #269 by khansahab on August 22, 2009 - 9:20 AM

    Heads roll as PCB starts ‘post mortem’ of Sri Lanka tour

    Lahore, Aug.22 (ANI): The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has sacked assistant coach Aaqib Javed from his post due to the team’s dismal show in the Sri Lanka series.

    Javed has been replaced by Mohtashim Rasheed.

    Rasheed is the younger brother former Test batsman, Haroon Rasheed, and is currently serving as Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) Director of Game Development, the Daily Times reports.

    When enquired about Javed’s sacking, PCB chief Ijaz Butt said he has ‘better plans’ for the former fast bowler.

    The PCB has also decided to replace assistant manager Mohammad Ahmed with former Test cricketer Shafqat Rana. However, it has refused to axe team manager Yawar Saeed , who has come under heavy criticism during the disastrous Sri Lanka tour.
    We cannot fire our people just because the media wants us to. We are considering Shafqat as the new manager of the team. That is why he has been given the responsibility of associate manager,” Butt said. (ANI)

  269. #270 by khansahab on August 22, 2009 - 1:29 PM

    Younis should retire from international cricket: Sarfaraz

    August 22nd, 2009 – 6:19 pm ICT by IANS

    By Omar Khalid

    Karachi, Aug 22 (IANS) Pakistan’s former fast bowler Sarfaraz Nawaz feels that team captain Younis Khan should retire from international cricket and hand over the mantle to Shahid Afridi.

    Sarfaraz, 60, said that Younis has failed as a captain and should be replaced by Afridi.

    “Younis has completely failed as a captain, something that was proved during the tour of Sri Lanka. I believe that Afridi could prove to be a much better captain for the Pakistan team,” Sarfaraz said Saturday.

    Afridi, 29, took over as Twenty20 captain earlier this month when he lead Pakistan to a convincing win over Sri Lanka in the one-off Twenty20 International in Colombo.

    But Pakistan lost the Test and one-day series under Younis’s leadership.

    Afridi was rewarded for a string of match-winning performances by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) which promoted him as the team’s vice-captain in place of middle-order batsman Misbah-ul-Haq.

    However, Sarfaraz believes that Afridi deserves to be captain as he has the guts to get the best of the Pakistan team.
    He also advised Younis to say goodbye to international along with a few other senior players, especially Mohammad Yousuf.

    “These senior players have little more to offer and should retire to make place for younger boys,” said Sarfaraz, who took 177 wickets from 55 Tests.

  270. #271 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2009 - 2:15 PM

    I was reading some comments on cricinfo under that article Asif returns. And, the focus is on dropping Abdul Razzaq from the squad. Most people are demanding that Razzaq should be in the team in place of either Misbah, Rao or Fawad Alam on the basis of his bowling and batting, but one comment was very funny in which he wrote Razzaq is a very good fielder.

    Anyways, what is more interesting than anything is how no one has commented about Malik’s performance. Malik once again escaped like a Stealth and what is the magic behind that? His average during the ODI’s in Sri Lanka is only 7 and yet he is there as an automatic selection.

    They have included Rana Naveed in the team because of his 33 runs and 4 wickets in the last match and that’s it. Rana Naveed is lucky and another mediocre bowler in the team is Rao Iftikhar who is even more luckier than Rana.

  271. #272 by khansahab on August 22, 2009 - 2:34 PM

    Javed A Khan

    This morning I wanted to write a comment and express my surprise as to how Malik has escaped condemnation yet again. I was also going to highlight his average of 7 in the last series. But I don’t want people to think I am obsessed with Malik and Misbah, which is why I left it. However, I am not surprised you said the same thing 🙂

    Many people think Malik should be persisted with because he is only 27 or something, but he has been playing international cricket for 10 years and he has not learned much. So keeping in mind how long he has been playing, he has not progressed like how one would like. Therefore he should be dropped permanently. However the PCB does not understand that.

  272. #273 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2009 - 6:59 PM

    khansahab

    When two people think about the same thing at the same time, iss gull noo kainday “tally-pathetic” 😀 You won’t believe but last week one guy said this instead of telepathy.

  273. #274 by khansahab on August 22, 2009 - 7:07 PM

    I don’t know why Safraz Nawaz thinks Younis should necessarily retire. Younis is a good Test batsman and if he is batting below no 3 in ODI’s, he can be a top 10 ODI batsman too. Because of Imran Khan, Younis’s ODI career has been ruined and many people say he is not an ODI player. Imran does not realise what harm his blabbing has done to Pakistan. Younis is so talented and in ODI his talent has gone to waste.

    So Younis should resign as captain and make way for Afridi as captain of all formats. But he should play definitely until WC 2011 as a specialist batsman.

  274. #275 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2009 - 11:22 PM

    Sarfarz Nawaz has a big mouth, he loves to blab and he is always seeking attention, so he has to blab. I am not in favour of Younis Khan retiring because, there is no dependable batsman like him other than Yousuf. Do you expect from Malik and Misbah?

    They are both nothing players and this pair will be remembered for a long time for playing dirty politics in the game. I know Malik is a Meesna, but I never expected this from Misbah. He too has joined Malik and is stooping as low as him.

  275. #276 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2009 - 11:26 PM

    PCB chief Ijaz Butt rubs his Butt with Younus and the Governing Board the wrong way

    LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman appears to be on a collision course with national team captain Younus Khan and the Governing Board (GB) members after he bypassed them in taking some key decisions arbitrarily.

    Well-informed sources told Dawn that Younus had suggested to the chairman not to appoint any deputy for him as there appeared no genuine need for it.

    However, the chairman disagreed with the skipper on the point and went ahead with the nomination of Shahid Afridi as the new vice-captain in place of Misbah-ul-Haq for the forthcoming ICC Champions Trophy, to be held in South Africa from Sept 22.

    It may be mentioned here that the PCB, in nearly all of its press releases since the appointment of Younus as captain, had not been mentioning Misbah as his deputy.

    Prior to that, however, Misbah was regularly mentioned as the vice-captain under then skipper Shoaib Malik.

    Moreover, the second proposal of Younus to appoint former captain Rashid Latif as first choice coach of the senior cricket team was not accepted for various reasons.

    But the chairman did accept the captain’s second choice Mohtashim Rasheed as the fielding coach.

    Sources further said that the current team management comprising coach Intikhab Alam and manager Yawar Saeed is closer to Afridi than Younus and that could create some communication problems during the forthcoming Champions Trophy.

    As far as the possible confrontation with the Governing Board is concerned, sources said that its members had suggested to the chairman to appoint Mian Munir Ahmad as the manager of the team for the ICC Champions Trophy in its last meeting held in Karachi.

    The recommendation was made when the chairman informed that Yawar was reluctant to continue as manager. However, the PCB chairman himself requested Yawar to continue till the Champions Trophy with ex-Test cricketer and selector Shafqat Rana named as the associate manager.

    A number of Rana brothers are already holding various posts in the cricket board. While Sultan Rana is currently serving as director domestic cricket, his younger brother Azmat Rana is the NCA talent hunt official while nephew Mansoor Rana is the official coach of the Pakistan women’s cricket team.

    The other family enjoying a similar status is that of Haroon Rasheed, whose two brothers — Omar and Mohtashim — are currently attached with the PCB.

    A Governing Board member on the condition of anonymity told Dawn that reputable organisations throughout the world avoided the practice of hiring two or more members of a family, especially brothers, but ironically it is the other way round in the PCB and he would soon be requesting the Human Resource committee to prepare a clear policy in this regard.

  276. #277 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2009 - 11:32 PM

    After reading this report in DAWN, it appears that Butt is definitely a Big FAT BUTT MF, ASSHOLE who doesn’t care about the game, he is breeding nepotism by appointing all RANA SHANAs and clearly violating the Human Resources discipline and code of ethics.

    Why is this MF still there? Can’t someone kick his Big Fat Butt and tell him to get lost?

  277. #278 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 12:19 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Do you remember the main criticism people had with DNA’s administration was of “nepotism”? Because DNA had been handpicked by Musharraf.

    But have you noticed in Butt’s tenure everyone has been appointed because of nepotism? The team manager, the internal administrators, family members etc. I don’t understand where the critics are now. The only nepotism allegation I recall during DNA’s tenure was someone alleging that Shafqat Naghmi used his friend’s services for some PCB contracts. But, Ijaz Butt’s tenure has seen too much nepotism.

    It seems there is no equality in Pakistan because I don’t understand why the media is not focusing on Butt’s nepotism? What is the difference between Musharraf picking DNA and Choudhary Ahmed Mukhtar of PPP recommending his relative Ijaz Butt for the post of PCB Chairman to President Asaf Zardari?

  278. #279 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 23, 2009 - 8:25 AM

    Zardari has no time to worry about cricket affairs in Pakistan, in fact he has no worry about anything else except for making money. Every now and then he is out of the country and he seldom gets a chance to stay in the country and least of all worry about cricket.

    Therefore, Chaudhary Ahmad Mukhtar and others cover Butt’s ass and are busy in milking the cash cow called the PCB. I don’t think there is any other organization in Pakistan which had surplus cash like the PCB had and Butt is looting it. “Maal-e-Muft Dil-e-bay Raham aur Butt hai Bay Sharam.”

  279. #280 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 23, 2009 - 8:44 AM

    THE NEWS THAT DANIEL VETTORI WILL HAVE MORE POWERS IN SELECTING THE TEAM FOR NEW ZEALAND

    http://www.cricinfo.com/newzealand/content/current/story/421436.html

    This will create ripple effects among other cricket playing nations. Ricky Ponting already has more powers than others and this news about Vettori will certainly be an example and an impetus for Younus Khan to demand more powers in selecting the team. But, the only problem is Pakistan’s coach Inti Alam and team manager Yawar Saeed are too old, biased and incompetent and that will still make things difficult for YK.

  280. #281 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 9:16 AM

    Murali goes beyond the 15-degree, says Richardson

    Mark Richardson, the former New Zealand Test opener, has reopened the question over Muttiah Muralitharan’s bowling action by saying that he was convinced many of his deliveries were well beyond the 15-degree allowance approved by lawmakers.

    Richardson said he did not blame Murali for the situation but felt the ICC was not doing enough to police throwing in cricket. New Zealand are touring Sri Lanka for three Tests, two Twenty20s and an ODI tri-series. They lost the first Test by 202 runs, with Murali taking 7 for 161.

    “Many of his deliveries may fall around the 15 degrees but, in my opinion, too many,” Richardson, now a television commentator, wrote in his column in the Herald on Sunday. “In particular his faster deliveries appear well beyond it and since the introduction of the 15 degree allowance his action appears to have deteriorated.

    “I know he’s been tested, re-tested, tested again and cleared. And I know, with the special makeup of his limbs to the naked eye, his action looks worse than it is. But, for goodness sake, half of cricket is now not watched with the naked eye, thanks to the invention of super-slow-motion cameras, hot-spots, snicko and Hawkeyes. Many of the slow-motion replays I’ve seen of Murali have only strengthened my conviction he is exceeding the 15 degrees bending and straightening allowance. Is it not meant to be the other way round? Isn’t the hi-tech equipment meant to alleviate my fears?”

    Richardson doubted whether the numerous tests conducted by the ICC proved that Murali stayed within the 15-degree limit. “What he proved is that he can bowl within limitation, not that in the heat of battle he actually does. Cricket is not played in a laboratory. On the field it matters where and how the ball gets to the other end. In a laboratory it doesn’t, all that matters is how you delivered it.”

    Murali was first no-balled for his action during his first tour of Australia in 1995-96 and though he was cleared after a biomechanical analysis, the controversy didn’t die out. He was called again on the 1998-99 tour to Australia and sent for further tests in Perth and England only to be cleared again.

    In 2004 the ICC stopped Murali from bowling the doosra, because his arm bent by an average of 10 degrees when bowling the delivery, which was double the permitted level for spinners. But next year, the ICC tweaked the bowling laws to allow all bowlers “to straighten their bowling arm up to 15 degrees, which was established as the point at which any straightening will become visible to the naked eye”.

    Richardson said the ICC had to amend procedures and use the technology introduced into the game to check bowlers with suspect actions.

    “We can use technology to access where the ball pitched, where it may be heading, how much it bounced, turned, seamed and yet we can’t use it to access the most important thing – how it got there in the first place. Surely the technology exists for the match referee or third umpire to assess, during the game, bowling actions and take appropriate action when someone is operating outside the laws of the game.”

    Last November former Australian wicketkeeper Adam Gilchrist also said he believed Murali had a suspect action.

  281. #282 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 9:19 AM

    So as we thought, Razzaq was definitely dropped and all these stories of him being injured are false:

    http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports/disappointed-razzaq-vows-to-make-a-comeback_100236709.html

  282. #283 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 9:21 AM

    Gul sets sights on adding ICC Champions Trophy to the cabinet

    Fast bowler Umar Gul says Pakistan will try to complete the grand slam and also end its win drought against India in ICC events, when it takes on the best of the best in the ICC Champions Trophy 2009 to be staged from 22 September to 5 October in South Africa.

    Only India has won all three senior men’s majors – ICC Cricket World Cup (in 1983), ICC Champions Trophy (joint winner with Sri Lanka in 2002) and ICC World Twenty20 (in 2007) – but Umar believes Pakistan is nicely poised to add the one trophy which is missing from its cabinet.

    “I believe we have an excellent team for one-day cricket and it is the combination that makes us a quality side. The return of Mohammad Yousuf and Rana Naved has provided further impetus to the side which is bubbling with confidence after its victory in the ICC World Twenty20 in England in June. Agencies

    “But we’re aware that it is not going to be easy at all in South Africa and we’ll have to be at our best all through to win. It’s such a short and sharp tournament with no Super Six stage which means every match counts and there is no margin of error. To further toughen the task, six of the eight teams are former champions who know what is required to win a mega-event like this,” Umar said.

    Pakistan is grouped with Australia, the West Indies and India, and Umar believes the 26 September match against India at Centurion will not only provide the green shirts an opportunity to win its first match against India in an ICC event but also a chance to avenge its defeat at the same venue six years ago that sealed a first-round exit for Pakistan in the ICC Cricket World Cup 2003.
    “While every match will be important, the game against India, as always, will be special for both the sides. No rivalry can match the India-Pakistan rivalry and I think the 26 September match will be something billions of people all over the world will be waiting for.

    “For us, the match is also important for the simple fact that we haven’t beaten them in an ICC event and we’re desperate to break that sequence.”

    Reflecting on the status of entering the ICC Champions Trophy as ICC World Twenty20 champion, Umar said: “Although it is a different format, it is always good to go in as a champion side because it gives you that extra confidence which is vital in big tournaments. However, our victory in England has raised the bar of expectations and our supporters want us to win everything. That puts us under more pressure.

    “All the teams in the ICC Champions Trophy are excellent sides and we have the highest respect for them. But instead of worrying about their strengths and advantages, we’ll follow the same ploy which we successfully followed in England – focus on our preparations, rely on our strengths and stick to our game plans.

    “I have always played my cricket for the name at the front of my shirt and not at the back. And if the captain wants me to use the new ball and get him some quick wickets, I’ll try not to disappoint him. I’m ready to take the spearhead’s role and the requirement of that role is to try to come up to expectations whenever the ball is tossed at you.

    “I was the leading wicket-taker in the ICC World Twenty20 and that’s the goal I would set for myself again in the ICC Champions Trophy. There’s no greater feeling than to contribute in the success of your side. After the victory in England, the side is hungry for more successes and I’m desperate to contribute more to those successes,” Umar said.

  283. #284 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 10:05 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Abdul Qadir has said today in Jang that he is unhappy with the CT squad. He said Pakistan should have selected Salman Butt and he said he believes Pakistan’s best batsmen in CT would have been Butt and Yousuf.

  284. #285 by Awas on August 23, 2009 - 11:21 AM

    khansahab

    It seems there is no equality in Pakistan because I don’t understand why the media is not focusing on Butt’s nepotism?”

    That is one area of concern but there have been many voices against Butt already. Comment 237 Anyone but Butt is one such example.

  285. #286 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 11:35 AM

    Munir sahab

    Rana Naved has replaced Razzaq. In fact Iqbal Qasim gave a statement that the best one out of the two has been picked.

    I would have preferred Razzaq over Rana, although I am not a great fan of either.

    This CT squad is not good, because Rana and Rao, and Malik and Misbah should not have been picked.

    Out of 15 players, at least these 4 don’t deserve selection. More than a 1/4 of the team has been selected unfairly.

  286. #287 by Awas on August 23, 2009 - 11:51 AM

    khansahab

    Likewise, I am never a fan of Razzaq, Rana and Rao either. They are all mediocre players just like Malik and Misbah. Razzaq once was an automatic “A keep” but that is no longer.

    Most of these are pretty old and unfit and need to be shown the door. As MY Kasim often says, we should invest in future.

  287. #288 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 12:24 PM

    Awas

    Yes, but I was watching a show this morning hosted by a Geo presenter and he was talking about the team and the future of cricket.

    He said that the best players currently are Umer Amin and Mohd Talha. But he emphasised that if these 2 players get selected now, their careers will get ruined because they need much more exposure to domestic cricket. He gave the example of Hasan Raza whom he said was very talented but selected when he was too young and consequently, failed.

    BUT, on the one hand we face the risk of potentially ruining their careers and on the other hand, Malik and Misbah appear to be in miserable form.

  288. #289 by Awas on August 23, 2009 - 1:22 PM

    khansahab

    I can see there is some sense in what the Geo presenter said. As I have said before, maturity level in most Pakistanis comes much later in life. Afridi is one such example that immediately comes to mind. He suddenly now looks “a keep” in every format of the game. If you remember it wasn’t a long ago that we were all wondering why he is having a driest run of his life with the bat and even before that his good performances were occasional. But suddenly everything seems to be falling into place for him and he looks indispensable and mature.

    Tanvir and Mohd Asif are the other two opposite examples. After showing glimpses of brilliance, it got to their heads as they started emulating Shoaib Akhtar. Talent is one thing but mental strength needs to be developed as well. Miandad type who came at very young age and got better and better are rare species because of mental strength.

    In view of what the presenter said, that is one reason I say, most like Malik, Misbah, Razzaq, Rana Naveed keep getting picked up because of their seniority and experience – nothing much. And most probably with the agreement of captain.

  289. #290 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 2:19 PM

    More than 50 percent sugar mills in Pak owned by politicians

    Islamabad, Aug.23 (ANI): More than 50 percent of sugar mills in Pakistan are owned by political leaders, and despite this fact, sugar prices in the country have sky rocketed in the recent past, increasing problems for the people, especially in the month of Ramazan.

    According to sources, there are 78 sugar mills in the country and the political leaders or their relatives or partners own more than 50 per cent of these factories.

    Insiders said that there are at least six mills owned by President Asif Ali Zardari’s family members and other PPP leaders.

    They also revealed that former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s family members own nine sugar factories situated in different part of the country, most of them in Punjab province.
    While the government has claimed that it would look that the sugar prices in the country do not exceed a limit, people believe it is difficult to bring down the prices and they would continue to suffer.

    “When the government says that it will catch the culprits and provide sugar to the masses on affordable rates, it is like throwing dust in the eyes of masses”, The Nation quoted one Islamabad resident, as saying on conditions of anonymity.

    “After all who were the ultimate beneficiaries of the meetings held between sugar mills owners and the government?” he asked.

    The prime reason behind the sudden steep rise in the price of one of the most important daily commodity is a calculated strategy chalked out by major players of the sugar industry with help from important government personalities.

    According to sources, the sugar mafia in the country has undermined orders from the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) and has manipulated decision-making at the Trading Corporation of Pakistan (TCP) to achieve the mischievous target of increasing the sugar prices.

    The command with which this mafia works can be gauged from the fact that ECC’s order to release sugar at a controlled price of 38 rupees per kilogram through ration stores and utility shops is yet to be implemented and people have no choice but to shell out 55 to 60 rupees for a kilogram of sugar.

    Observers believe that the current scam would also subside with time forcing Pakistanis to spend much more on sugar this Ramzan. (ANI)

  290. #291 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 3:13 PM

    Playing Mohd Asif in CT is a big gamble: Zaheer

    Karachi, Aug 23 (PTI) Former Pakistan captain Zaheer Abbas feels the national selectors have played a big gamble by including out-of-action paceman Mohammed Asif in the next month’s Champions Trophy squad.

    Asif has not played cricket in the last 16 months since playing in the inaugural edition of the Indian Premier League.

    He was included in the 15-man squad though he is still serving a 12-month ban for a doping offence in the first IPL tournament.

    The ban will end on September 22, the day the Champions Trophy starts in Johannesburg.

    “He has not played any cricket since last year and no one knows properly about his match fitness or general fitness condition. It seems to me a big gamble taken by the selectors to rush Asif into the national team,” Zaheer told PTI.

  291. #292 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 23, 2009 - 4:03 PM

    Zaheer Abbass is not an Einstein, what he said to PTI, we all have been saying this since we got a hint that Asaf will be selected. I was asking this question b4 whether he has completed his one year ban or not? I’ve read on the internet and some sources were saying that his ban is over in July. Actually the correct info is he last played international cricket in July 2008 but, his ban will end on Sept. 22 as stated above by the PTI.

    If Asif succeeds in CT and take a few wickets there will be a big “wah, wah” from his supporters and everyone will say, he is such a class player that he doesn’t need match practice. If he fails in one or two matches he will still be tried and, if he ends up taking a few wickets with a mediocre performance they will still persist with him because of his seniority and experience. And, if he plays like Actor and Tanvir (giving away 43 and 41 runs in 3 overs) then he will be sidelined till he proves his fitness and performance in the domestic matches.

  292. #293 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 23, 2009 - 4:13 PM

    khansahab

    Nawaz Sharif made 337 crore Rupees in one night by selling 24 sugar mills under the table while he was the Prime Minister and this happened during the privatization period. And this 50% is a very modest figure, in Punjab all the sugar mills are owned and possessed by the politicians, Chaudharies and waderas and indirectly or directly they are all politicians or related to politicians.

    A couple of weeks ago there was a news that there was shortage of sugar in the domestic market and reportedly there was organized hoarding (like organized crime by criminal groups) by these people to hike the price in Ramadan and exploit the masses. Profiteering through hoarding and illegal means is Haram (forbidden) and these people have no conscience, no faith, no fear of anyone, they are billionaires in rupees and yet they want more.

    Reportedly the government raided (I am surprised how this happened) at one of the godowns and recovered 350 tons of sugar from just one location. Perhaps this was just a drama to calm down the situation or, that person may be from the opposition group and the government wanted to take revenge from him. Whatever the case may be, these feudal lords are responsible for the destruction of Pakistan.

  293. #294 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 23, 2009 - 4:26 PM

    Just today, Awas has used this phrase “a keep” twice. It reminds me of how “a keep” and “I am agree” has become an accepted figure of speech in our LS conversations. For those who don’t know or they have not heard about the background of these two phrases, I would like to write it here.

    A keep

    This came from our famous Pra Waqar who keeps amusing us as a commentator with his funny AussiPakLish, (Australian, Pakistani English) apart from “A room” this “A Keep” is one of his gems. And, how can I ever forget when he said, Mohammad Jayasuriya anyways, about the keep, while Pakistan and Sri Lanka were playing a match a few years ago, he said like this:

    “This man; Dilshan, is not a good bowler and, he is not a good batsman either but the only reason he is a keep in the team is because of his fielding.” And, Nawaz Sharif said, “I am agree” 😀

    LOL, actually Nawaz Sharif said, “I am agree” not just once but a zillion times, whenever he was interviewed and the person who interviewed him presented his views and waited for a response from Sharif and he would start his sentence with, “I am agree” …… this is because he translates it from Punjabi to Urdu into English……. Mai Muttafiq hoon……. I am agree.

  294. #295 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 8:22 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Australia drops to no 4 in the Test rankings.

    This is the first time this has happened, in my lifetime I think. I don’t think for 2 decades or so Australia has dropped to no 4 in Test cricket?

    This shows that you may have excellent coaching and excellent first class structure, but you need your Warnes and McGraths to be the best.

    http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/page/211271.html

  295. #296 by Awas on August 23, 2009 - 8:26 PM

    khansahab

    They need their Warnes and McGraths

    We have our Maliks and Misbahs…beat that 🙂

  296. #297 by khansahab on August 23, 2009 - 10:47 PM

    Omer

    I am agree. But if this Australia team plays the Pakistani team I don’t know what will happen. Guys like Siddle, Clark and Hilfenhaus can give Butt, Malik and Misbah a run for their money.

    There is the South Africa standard, the England-at-home standard, the Australian standard and then there is the Pakistani standard, which is a nothing standard.

  297. #298 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 23, 2009 - 11:45 PM

    On Waqqaish, I don’t understand why you have included South African in it? The reason I have included Australian is because his wife is Australian and he is from Burewala. And, “I am agree” that Waqar should be “a keep” in the commentary box for amusement and entertainment. He always makes me laugh.

    Chishti Mujahid, Sikandar Bakht are simply drones and Zaheer Abbass is nothing but crap. Rameez Raja has become very biased and arrogant, he needs a break. There is no fun in listening to his commentary it is so full of bias and regionalism, favouritism and nepotism.

  298. #299 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 3:44 AM

    khansahab

    A couple of days ago, when Ramadan started, in response to the general appeal that one should be honest, sincere, generous etc., etc., during this month and you asked the question: Why in the month of Ramadan only? Why not in other months. I was meaning to write something in response to your question, but I couldn’t get time and, the other reason is I was distracted by cricket and its politics etc., and consumed that little time in writing about it.

    Anyways just like you, I used to ask the same question every time and I never got a convincing or meaningful reply from anyone. However, I have come to the conclusion that, for most human beings it is very difficult to stay on the right path all the time because, we are neither angels nor saints nor prophets. However, if we try our best to stay on the right path, at least during the month of Ramadan, then slowly gradually we can train our mind, feelings, desires, motives etc., to extend this self improvement and containment of our Nafs (self) from one month to a little more than that.

    With age, as each year passes by if you are honestly and sincerely practicing Taqwa during the month of Ramadan, the goodness in your heart expands. It is just like you exercise and make your body muscles grow, you train your mind in controlling your desires and feelings. And, successful are those people who become more pious and, mind you it is not an easy task. That is why they keep saying try to be nice in the month of Ramadan and see that you may be able to extend this period slowly and gradually from one month to one year and for the rest of your life.

    We cannot be perfect, no one is perfect except Allah, but we must try and aspire to be good and this is the first step in the right direction – it is easier said than done – but it is true that you can change yourself, you can alter yourself and improve your psyche and you can become a better human being with age.

  299. #300 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 4:03 AM

    Another thing that I wanted to write is about the fear of death. Some people say they are not afraid of death, but when they come closer to death, they don’t want to die.

    A common man asked a scholar: Why are you afraid of death? The scholar replied. “Do you want to leave a good life behind and accept a bad one?” The man replied, “NO.” And, he asked another question, “But, you say life after death or hereafter is better than this worldly life, isn’t it true?” The scholar replied, this is what I was saying, “do you want to leave a good life behind and accept a bad one?” By accepting the comforts of this life and inadvertently I may have done so many ill deeds, I may have destroyed and ruined my life in hereafter.Therefore, I am afraid to leave a good life behind and accept the one which I have ruined and destroyed. That is why I am afraid of death.

    This is so true. Also, there is an ayat in the Qur’an. “Rivalry in the worldly affairs distracted you, until you came to the graves.” Surah Surah At- Takaathur 102.

  300. #301 by Mohammed Munir on August 24, 2009 - 6:50 AM

    Khansahab & Javed Khan …

    A very interesting discussion on Ramadan and why most peoples are more religious and practicing Islam harder during Ramadan then the rest of the year.

    Good explanations given by Javed and it make a lot of sense. Further to this, I would also like to add two very simple reasons for our extra efforts in Ramadan:

     It is mentioned in several Ahadees (quotes of Prophet Mohammed PBUH) that rewards (Ajjar) for our good deeds are much higher in Ramadan, so may be peoples want to earn maximum return their efforts (good deeds, charities, prayers, etc.) during the month of Ramadan.

     Secondly and even more importantly, it is also in Ahadees that Shaitan/ Iblees (Satan) is being tied-down during this month and so it is easier for Muslims to practice even better with minimum of disruptions.

    I would like to mention my personal experience here that during the month of Ramadan it becomes so easy to stick to our 5 obligatory prayers (in mosque). Similarly, it seems we have more time and desire to do extra religious activities like reading Quran, Taraweeh, charity, Tahajed (mid-night non-obligatory prayer), etc. etc.

    The best part is that all these activities happen to be, without much extra efforts and it’s very easy (may be because Shaitaan is not there to disrupt), while after Ramadan is over, unfortunately, we seems to get so busy with many worldly issues and it is always hard to stick to Ramadan routines.

    Another point is that even the most religious, pious and strongly practicing Muslims (who are very strong and do the maximum good and all extra activities throughout the full year) also make an extra effort and try to do a bit more then rest of the year. So no matter how little or more we all do, we still improve upon that during Ramadan.

    Now having said, I still believe what Khansahab have mentioned in his comments that Muslims should be religious throughout the year and not just this month.

  301. #302 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 8:38 AM

    Munir;

    I would like to say this in more simple words, ‘it is like a Dhakka Start’ if our conscience is like a ‘khatara car’, which cannot start on its own, it needs a Dhakka and once started, it must move ahead in the right direction and on the right path. Hence Ramadan is the blessed month in which Shaitan is tied down ……………. somewhere in Sharjah 🙂

    Allah has created Man as the best of His creatures, (Ashraf-ul-maqlooqat) He says that in Qur’an, Laqad qalaqnal insaan fi ahsan taqwimin. “Surely We created Man of the best stature. ” That is because Man has a mind and more importantly He has given the ability to Man to think and to rationalize and analyze which other species cannot do.

    Because of this Man also has the ability (to analyze) he can go astray and can put himself on the wrong track, the second verse of the same ayaat is; “Then We reduced him to the lowest of the low.” It is true, because when Man goes astray he is worst than animals, he becomes a savage, he not only destroys himself, but he destroys and destructs everything. If you look at it realistically, Man has done more damage to his fellow humans and to this planet earth than any other species on earth.

    As I was typing Munir, mistakenly I inserted the letter K after the letter N and realized what it means 😀

    About Shaitan being tied down, reportedly Mirza Ghalib was sitting in a room and drinking, one of his friends came to visit him and saw him drinking and said, ” I heard that during the month of Ramadan, Shaitan is locked up in a room.” Ghalib replied, yes it is true, and this is that room where he is locked up.

    Actually, Shaitan can come into our minds and can misguide us, it is in the month of Ramadan that we are advised to strengthen our mental capabilities through Taqwa and block him from entering our minds and he can come in any shape and any form. He can play with our emotions and make us get angry and defeat the purpose of fasting there could be thousand and one ways in which he can come into our minds and poison our minds. It is true.

    My personal experience, I would like to share is, on so many occasions when I can easily get upset by peoples action I don’t get when I am fasting. I am reminded by my conscience that “I am fasting and I must control my emotions and let this thing go…. it works” similarly the same thing happened when I was performing my Hajj, I was more tolerant. Somehow, it is during these times you get to be more tolerant than other times.

    After getting stuck in traffic jams for several hours during the Hajj time, the daily 15-20 minutes traffic jams back home seems nothing but this lasts for the initial 2-3 weeks after Hajj but again, we are back to our normal self and get frustrated and emotional and have zero tolerance when we get stuck in traffic jams. But, then there are those people who practice Taqwa and remain cool. Those men are definitely better than me and I wish I can be like them.

    If life is like a car, Taqwa is like brakes as well as fuel of the car, it keeps us on the check. And, the most practical and simplest way to practice this is from your own self rather than expecting others to become nice. Charity begins at home, nicety flows from our tongue. Our tongues are like a weapon we can hurt people and if we can control it during the month of Ramadan, we must strive to practice this beyond Ramadan.

  302. #303 by khansahab on August 24, 2009 - 9:13 AM

    Munir sahab

    My problem is that the concept of piety and religiosity should have nothing to do with the concept of “reward”. You have to worship God and follow his command because you want to and because it is the right thing to do. It should have nothing to do with, this concept of reward or punishment.

    When you talk about rewards and punishment, that is like incentivising or disincentivising people. So it is a form of controlling people. That does not tie in with free will. So if there is no free will or if free will is curtailed, then why would God want to test and assess his creation at the same time?

    Something about this whole concept doesn’t make sense. Now, I have been brought up in a relatively conservative background and I am what you would call a “practising Muslim”. I totally believe in God and Hadeeth etc, but my interpretation of that may be slightly different to many people.

    For example, people say that the test of Duniya is the same as the test for Deen. You go to school, give tests and exams, learn theories, concepts, formulae etc because you want to get somewhere in life. So that is how it applies to Deen as well- you perform the pillars of Islam because you want to do well in the afterlife.

    But, there is a lot of corruption, inequality, filth, jealousy, discrimination etc in the tests you take in Duniya. The tests you take for Akhirat, are fair and just. I agree with that. But if human beings, the people who have to give those tests, can perform those evils in the tests of Duniya like dishonesty, corruption, selfishness, discrimination etc, then surely, they can do the same in their tests for Akhirat. That is where I find the problem is. If it is human nature to do wrong, and if it is human nature to enrich yourself to someone else’s detriment, you can also do that in terms of Akhirat.

    The moment these notions of personal enrichment, incentivisation, reward and punishment creep in, that very moment humans develop a propensity to cheat, to lie, to be hypocrites, to form impressions upon others without being genuine people. It is human nature. It is only a minority of people who don’t do that. You can’t associate a whole race or people with what a minority does. For example, Muslims complain that they should not be called terrorists if 2% or 5% of them are terrorists. In the same way, I don’t think anyone should bother to say that he is a totally honest, unbiased and pure person, because being human means making mistakes. Just to support my earlier argument about the tests of Duniya, I did not choose my career because I have this love for Law. Most of my friends studying Medicine don’t care much about helping the sick- it is the label of “Doctor” what they want and their families don’t see respect or attraction in any other profession. Same goes for others doing Dentistry, Accounting etc. So, there is this concept of personal enrichment, selfishness, incentivisation there. If you apply the same argument to Deen, then we have to properly consider whether we worship God and respect Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) because we want to, or because we just have to?

    Religion is meant to impose morality, discipline, big heartedness and broad mindedness in people. But, having this framework based on selfishness, incentivisation, personal enrichment etc, is wrong and in my opinion it defeats the purpose. Hence you find people pushing each other to get to the “pehli jamaat” in mosques, pushing each other to get a place in the mosque etc, attempting to impose Deen on someone else even if they dislike it. It is common to see this around us. In my view it defeats the purpose of religion and morality.

    Morality is paramount and the moment the practise of religion conflicts the morality, then surely there is something wrong with the way religion is being followed. I am NOT degrading religion, or condemning any aspect of the pillars of Islam, or the purpose of Islam or anything like that. What I am saying is that it is not being practised properly by many people. I am no one to judge anyone, but this is a blog and I am just expressing the way I see things.

  303. #304 by khansahab on August 24, 2009 - 11:47 AM

    The following article mentions many things we have said on LS regarding Murali’s action:

    ICC blind to ‘chucker’ Murali: Richardson

    CHRISTCHURCH: The chucker’s tag remains Muttiah Muralitharan’s albatross and former New Zealand opener Mark Richardson on Sunday accused the Sri Lankan offie of breaching the 15 degree flexion rule.

    Richardson said Muralitharan often bends his arm beyond the 15 degree norm even though he felt it was not the spinner but the indifferent International Cricket Council (ICC) which was at fault.

    ‘There is no easy way to put this, no soft way to broach it, so here goes – Muttiah Muralitharan is throwing the ball,’ Richardson wrote in his column for Herald on Sunday.

    ‘I know he’s been tested, re-tested, tested again and cleared. And I know, with the special makeup of his limbs to the naked eye, his action looks worse than it is. But, for goodness sake, half of cricket is now not watched with the naked eye, thanks to the invention of super-slow-motion cameras, hot-spots, snicko and hawk-eyes.

    ‘Many of the slow-motion replays I’ve seen of Murali have only strengthened my conviction he is exceeding the 15 degrees bending and straightening allowance. Is it not meant to be the other way round? Isn’t the hi-tech equipment meant to alleviate my fears?’ he asked.

    Unlike former New Zealand captain Martin Crowe, who often flays Muralitharan, Richardson didn’t blame the Lankan offie but opined ICC had failed to deal with the issue.

    ‘I don’t blame Murali for this situation. Murali can only do what he does – and what he does he does as a champion, and unlike the other great spinner of my time, Murali does it with good grace and gentlemanly conduct,’ he said.

    ‘The problem lies with the inappropriate way in which the ICC has decided to police throwing. A player is suspected of throwing and then, for want of a better term, tested in a laboratory. We’ve all seen the pictures of Murali lit up with bulbs. To his credit he volunteered for this. Apparently he proved he wasn’t a chucker.

    ‘But did he really? What he proved is that he can bowl within limitation, not that in the heat of battle he actually does,’ he said.

    Cricket is not played in a laboratory. On the field it matters where and how the ball gets to the other end. In a laboratory it doesn’t, all that matters is how you delivered it,’ said Richardson, who represented New Zealand in 38 Tests and four ODIs between 2000-2004.

    ‘Because of the way the ICC has gone about dealing with this situation, too many bowlers now appear to have suspect actions and can operate for too long before there is any reaction. Now is the time for the ICC to amend procedures to reflect how it is introducing technology,’ he added.

  304. #305 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 2:12 PM

    It is a fact that Muttaiah Muralitharan is a chucker.

    It is also a fact that New Zealanders are whiners.

    He won’t stop chucking and they won’t stop whining. After all New Zealand are Australia’s little brother. Agreed that Murali chucked, but Dilshan scored a century and a 96, Samaraweera scored a century, what has that got to do with Murali? They complain, whine and whinge after each defeat. They not only complain then, they wait for 20 years to complain.

    Remember Adam Parore their former wicketkeeper complained about Waqar and Wasim 15-20 years after they had lost the series against Pakistan in Pakistan i.e., when Actor and Asaf were charged to have taken anabolic steroids (nandrolone) by saying, NOW I know how their fast bowlers used to bowl for such a long time in that kinda hot weather? He went on saying, it is humanly not possible unless you are on drugs (performance enhancement drugs). I have no sympathy for them because, it is their habit to behave like a cry baby after losing.

  305. #306 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 2:46 PM

    khansahab

    The questions you have on your mind and the thoughts that you have expressed on the blog are not new, including you and me there are hundreds and thousands, may be millions of people who must have thought on the same lines and expressed their thoughts just like us. Some people say that we must have complete Faith in Allah and must not question His creation. Some say that there is a hidden meaning and a hidden purpose in our creation. Indeed there is another purpose, BUT it is not hidden. It is all there in the surah The Prophets, Holy Quran.


    21:16
    AND [know that] We have not created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them just for amusement.

    21:17 [for,] had We willed to indulge in a pastime, We would indeed have produced it from within Ourselves – if such had been Our will at all.

    21:18 Nay, but [by the very act of creation] We hurl the truth against falsehood, and it crushes the latter: and lo it withers away. But woe unto you for all your [attempts at] defining [God].

    In Surah Al-Dhareyat He has clarified it very loudly by saying:

    Wama khalaqtu aljinna waalinsa illa liyaAAbudooni

    I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.

    So, to say that, why He created us to worship and obey Him is in correct. He knows, since He is all knowing. To answer the question of rewards, apart from being rewarded there is repentance and here He says:

    Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. [Quran 9:15]

    Quoting the verses may not help you in understanding the meaning behind it, it needs a lot of tafseer, explanation and I wonder if this is the right forum?

  306. #307 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 2:58 PM

    Very recently, after the T20 WC defeat when Umar Gul took 4 wickets for 6 runs even Daniel Vettori cried like a baby and complained that the ball may have been tampered. So, to act like a cry baby is in their genes. They will always be a baby.

  307. #308 by anie on August 24, 2009 - 3:09 PM

    this really is agood site for cricket .

  308. #309 by Awas on August 24, 2009 - 3:16 PM

    anie

    Welcome here.

    Tell us about you and what do you like about this site.

  309. #310 by khansahab on August 24, 2009 - 3:41 PM

    Axed Aaqib unhappy with PCB treatment

    Karachi: Miffed at being dumped as the national team’s assistant coach, former Pakistan pacer Aaqib Javed is yet to report to the National Academy in Lahore to resume his position as head coach there.

    Aaqib was dumped without being given any reason last week when the Pakistan Cricket Board announced the players and officials for the Champions trophy.

    “Aaqib himself is unhappy at the treatment meted out to him by the board and will be meeting with the board Chairman, Ejaz Butt later this week to discuss his future in the board,” a PCB official told PTI
    Sources at the academy said while everyone was speculating about why Aaqib had not resumed his duties at the academy, no one knew for sure whether the board had issued him the required letter transferring him back to his duties as head coach.

    “Obviously without board directives in writing Aaqib can’t do anything,” one source said.

    Sources in the board said Aaqib’s ouster came due to negative reports about him by chief coach Intikhab Alam who felt Aaqib was getting too involved with some of the senior players.

    Captain Younis Khan was also not very satisfied with Aaqib’s presence in the team.

    The former pacer has been replaced by Mohtashim Rasheed, a low key former first-class player who was until last year the fielding coach of the team.

    Sources said the elevation of Mohtashim’s elder brother, Haroon Rasheed as the acting director of the National academy in Lahore might have also have played some role in convincing Butt to select Mohtashim for the prime position.

    Sources said Aaqib has in protest refused to rejoin the national academy and work under Haroon until he meets with the board Chairman to discuss his grievances.

    Aaqib who was a member of the 1992 World Cup winning team has been a board employee at the academy since the last two years.

  310. #311 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 5:56 PM

    anie meany miny mo,
    boom boom boom
    catch a bed bug by his toe
    if he screams put the medicine in his throat …

    That is how the Pathan’s on Karachi buses (2B) sell, “Khatmal maar dava” the only diversion is Pathan says:

    Tum khatmal ko yae dava kilao
    Wo dava kaa ker murr jai gee !

    Upon asking how can you feed the medicine to a Khatmal?

    The Pathan replied:

    Tum Khatmal ko Ulta kero (Munir, its not what you think is going to happen next)

    Pir Uska pate may tum kudd kuddi kero
    Wo hassay gee
    Tum uska moo may dava dalo
    wo khai gee aur murr jai gee.

    Ps

    Aur agar Khatmal na hussay tou? Pirr Dava kilanay ka doosra rasta bee hai. 🙂

  311. #312 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 6:00 PM

    khansahab

    Ijaz Butt has the knack of firing people without any reason Lawson is another example besides Aaquib. Also, he is a very generous man, he gives all the jobs only to his family members, close relatives and friends. It is like “Halwai ki Dukaan par Dada ki Fateha.” Maal-e-muft Butt-e-bay Rahem.

  312. #313 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 24, 2009 - 7:30 PM

    Javed, do u always have to pick on new ppl? lol

  313. #314 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2009 - 11:21 PM

    Its called Billi Marna 😉

  314. #315 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 24, 2009 - 11:25 PM

    BM, billi martey martey kahin khud na marey jao (pitai)hehehe

  315. #316 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 25, 2009 - 4:16 AM

    khansahab

    A couple of days ago you have mentioned on this blog that you don’t like this reward and punishment business, right?

    On my way back from work, I was listening to a science program on the radio in which some notable scientists from North America were discussing human behaviour and they revealed some very interesting facts which I would like to share here.

    They said, that scientifically it is proven that our human mind and the entire behavioural system works on the basis of “reward and punishment.” And, basically it is like this:

    We reward and punish our mind, body, soul and our psyche through rewards and punishment. For e.g.,

    Food is a reward for the body
    Physical exercise is a reward for the body
    Mental exercise is a reward for the mind
    Sex is a reward for the mind
    Sport is a reward for the body
    Sleep is a reward for the mind and the body
    Religion and religous belief is a reward for the soul and the psyche.

    The punishment is in the form of deprivation of all of the above.

    You don’t eat, you punish your body.
    You eat too much, you punish your body.
    You don’t do sex, you punish your mind.
    You don’t exercise, you punish your body
    You don’t sleep, you punish your mind and your body.

    So, this is how the basis of “reward and punishment” works.

    Therefore, Allah has talked about reward and punishment, because He is our Creator and he knows how our system works. Verily Allah is the most powerful, all knowing, He is the most merciful of ALL. It is possible that He may forgive our sins, therefore He asks us for repentance and forgiveness and asks us for His guidance and His obedience. It is not necessary that He will always punish us. It is the Mullah’s who always scare us by saying that you will burn in Hell Fire and He will burn us 70,000 times. That is because, the Mullah’s knowledge is limited and so also his basic arithmetic that he cannot count beyond 70,000.

    I hope with this “scientific and logical” explanation you may have understood a bit about why Allah talks about reward and punishment?

  316. #317 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 25, 2009 - 4:19 AM

    BM, billi martey martey kahin khud na marey jao (pitai)hehehe

    Sweetie, “I am agree Naat” Bakaoz I am not Nawaz Sharif. He married to Gama Pahelwan’s grand daughter and she intimidates him, reportedly Ussnay Ganjay Ki Billi Maardi. 😀

    You know I am a Najeeb-ut-Tarfain Pathan, which means both parents are pathans so there is a difference between a Pind da Chaudhry and a Pathan.

  317. #318 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 9:02 AM

    Javed

    I agree about reward and punishment. Not only is it a natural process but that is why there is a promise of heaven (and hell) and lots of Hoors for men. So, there is element of bounty for good deeds.

    For women however, after God, its worship for her husband. As God said, if Sajdah (bowing) was allowed to anyone other than God, it would have been her husband.

  318. #319 by Mohammed Munir on August 25, 2009 - 10:32 AM

    Javed …

    All I have to say to your spelling mistake with my name and the Ulta Khatmal is this:

    “Allah Humma Inni Saayim”.

    Actually, you write your comments after breaking your fast so you can write freely, while I read/ write them while I am still fasting in the morning, so I do not want to say much.

    Aahhhh … 😦

  319. #320 by Mohammed Munir on August 25, 2009 - 10:53 AM

    Javed and Khansahab …

    Wow, great explanations about “Reward and Punishment”, I really liked it and I hope Khansahab will now find it relatively easy to understand.

    Another thing I would like to point to Khansahab is that Islam’s teachings and preaching are not only for the highly educated, overly qualified philosophical personalities, in fact Islam started with teachings to illiterate, uneducated, Arab Buddoos and so it was absolutely necessary to talk about ‘Reward & Punishment’ in this detailed way to make them understand and pass the message in the simplest form.

    One more point is that there are levels many (Darajaat) of Taqwaa and yes may be the one who do all his good deeds without any fair of punishment or any desire of rewards, he will be much above in Taqwaa, then an ordinary uneducated person who needs to see it in simple black & white. For example, two students may write exactly the same answers in an exam but the examiner will see them in a totally different way and there is a good possibility that one will get a few marks more then the others. Similarly, Allah will also see our efforts, good deeds, charities, prayers differently depending on our Niyaah, Taqwaa, honestly, timings, place, age, knowledge, education, etc. etc.

    So we can not generalize, you see.

  320. #321 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 10:54 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Thank you. I will discuss this is more detail in about 1-2 weeks, God willing.

    I am not a “science and logic” person per se. I don’t want proof of Creationism or of God’s existence, for example. My belief regarding those is firm. I am just concerned about the mindset of the people and I don’t understand why someone would want you to perform certain deeds on the basis of fear, because it is a form on control and psychological pressure, not free will.

    I would be happier worshipping God because it is my free will, not because I will be rewarded if I do and punished if I don’t. I gave the example of studying earlier. If there was an element of free will I would have been some kind of cricketer or a cricket journalist. But no, there was no free will which is why I pursued this career. Same goes for 80% of my friends who are studying Medicine, science related degress, Accounting etc.

    That is why Jean Jacques Rousseau said, “Man is born free but everywhere he is in chains”.

  321. #322 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 11:04 AM

    Wasim Akram In line For KKR Coaching Job

    ——————————————————————————–

    Former Pakistan skipper Wasim Akram has reportedly thrown his hat in the ring to coach the Kolkata Knight Riders in the Indian Premier League’s third edition next year.

    The legendary all-rounder will meet team-owner Shahrukh Khan along with former Indian coach John Wright – who is another candidate for the post – at the end of this week, according to CNN-IBN.

    Earlier, Englishmen Richard Pybus and Dermot Reeve were interviewed by Khan in his Bandra residence on Sunday and were tipped to secure the high-profile coaching assignment.

    However, with Akram entering the fray and Wright yet to be interviewed by the KKR team management, the race for the coveted post seems to be wide open.

  322. #323 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 11:08 AM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Jang reports that Ijaz Butt is not obliging to Younis Khan’s demands on more authority in the team selection. Some PCB officials are upset with Younis Khan and the team members are also unhappy with him.

    Ijaz Butt has discussed replacing Younis Khan with Shahid Afridi with some PCB officials.

    —————————————————-
    I don’t like Butt, but this may be a blessing in disguise if Afridi is appointed as captain.

  323. #324 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 11:12 AM

    Dope-tainted Asif’s selection a talking point in Pak cricket

    Karachi, Aug 25 (IANS) The selection of dope-tainted fast bowler Mohammad Asif in Pakistan’s Champions Trophy squad has evoked mixed reaction from former players here.

    Former chief selector Abdul Qadir has termed Asif’s selection as a bad decision, saying that the pacer has not played any competitive cricket for more than 18 months and is unlikely to give his best in the elite eight-nation tournament to be held in South Africa from Sept 22.

    Zaheer Abbas, a former Pakistan captain, believes that by picking Asif in the 15-man Champions Trophy squad, the national selectors have made a big gamble.

    However, Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam has downplayed such criticism, saying that Asif is a proven match-winner and will prove his class in the tournament.
    “Asif is fully fit now. He is a match-winner and we are sure that he will do well in the Champions Trophy,” said Intikhab, a former Pakistan captain.

    Abdul Qadir, however, does not agree. “Asif has not played any international cricket for quite a while, which is why nobody can really be sure whether he is fully match fit or not. I don’t think selecting such a player for an important event like the Champions Trophy is a wise decision.”

    In an interview, Zaheer has expressed similar fears and said that the selectors may have just rushed Asif into the national team.

    Asif, 26, last played for Pakistan in April 2008 against Bangladesh in Karachi. He tested positive for banned anabolic steroid nandrolone while featuring in the inaugural Indian Premier League (IPL) season in India last summer and was banned for one year. His doping ban ends on the same day when the Champions Trophy will get underway.

    Meanwhile, Qadir has also taken a swipe at the selectors for axing experienced all-rounder Abdul Razzaq from the Pakistan squad. He said that Razzaq did well in the ICC World Twenty20 championship in England and could have been very useful in South Africa.

    He also criticized the decision to take only one specialist opener — Imran Nazir – for the Champions Trophy, and said that Pakistan should have showed faith in the experienced Salman Butt. “Salman Butt is such an experienced guy with more one-day centuries than (Pakistan captain) Younis Khan. He should have been in the team,” said Qadir.

  324. #325 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 11:18 AM

    I usually find Abdul Qadir very unbiased and a genuine person, but why is he obsessed with Salman Butt? Butt has repeatedly proven to be a mediocre player on fast and bouncy pitches. Whereas, Younis Khan can perform on any pitch. That is what separates class from mediocrity.

    I agree Butt has plenty of ODI centuries, but all of them have been scored in either Pakistan, India or Bangladesh.

    Whereas Younis has 1 century at Southamption, England, and 1 century at Mohali, India, both of which are seaming tracks.

  325. #326 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 11:51 AM

    No pressure to lose captaincy

    Younis said he was under no pressure of losing his captaincy after the recent series defeat in Sri Lanka nor does he feel threatened by the elevation of Shahid Afridi as his vice-captain for the Champions Trophy.

    “I have never run after the captaincy. It was offered to me number of times in the past and I didn’t accept it because of various reasons. This time I accepted the captaincy because I felt I could do something good for the team,” Younis said.

    “But the captaincy has never been a big issue for me and my job is only to try to get the best performances out of the team and ensure they give good results,” he said.

    The media has carried reports in last few days that the appointment of Afridi as vice-captain has come about as the Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Ejaz Butt is not very happy with Younis’s performance as captain.
    The media also speculated that Butt might soon promote Afridi as the new captain for one-day matches as well.
    But Younis said he was not bothered by such reports.

    “The way cricket is run in Pakistan is funny and a quiz. When we won the T20 World Cup everyone was praising my captaincy. We had one bad series in Sri Lanka and the guns are turned towards me.”

  326. #327 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 11:54 AM

    As I said before and Javed too, Abdul Qadir is a blabber mouth and becoming like Sarfraz Nawaz. Whether someone is biased or unbiased is all judgmental and a matter of perception. What one says is what really matters. Abdul Qadir is making all these noises because he got pushed and he is hurt as a result and wants to appear he is right.

  327. #328 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 12:01 PM

    Pak media demands apology from Inzamam

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    Karachi The Sports Journalists Association of Lahore (SJAL) has demanded an apology from former Pakistan skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq for misbehaving with the media after inviting them for a press conference at his residence.
    According to a statement issued by SJAL and the Lahore electronic media association, Inzamam had invited the media to his residence on Monday to hold a press conference and discuss the selection of the Champions Trophy.

    “When the media arrived at his residence he allowed them to put up Digital Satellite News Gathering (DSNG) on his lawn but then a telephone call came after which he lost his temper and started misbehaving with the media,” the statement said.

    “Inzamam literally pushed out the electronic media people from his home and even used abusive language against the other sports journalists when they protested. His behavior was totally unbecoming of a former Pakistan captain,” it added.

    Inzamam, however, was not available for any comments on the incident.

    SJAL has now decided to boycott all statements and public appearances of Inzamam and even boycott those social functions which he would be attending until he tenders his apology.

  328. #329 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 12:32 PM

    Intikhab: Asif selection not a gamble

    Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam has termed Mohammad Asif’s selection in CT squad as a step in the positive direction.

    He said the pacer’s presence will add more fire to the team’s bowling department.

    His comments came after former Test players described Asif’s selection in the Champions Trophy squad as a big gamble because the dope-tainted pacer has not played cricket for the last 16 months.

    “No I don’t think Asif’s selection is a gamble because he is in good shape and working hard to be 100 per cent fit for the big tournament,” Intikhab said.

    “I think Asif’s presence in the team will lend experience and sharpness to the bowling attack especially on the South African pitches where pace bowlers usually have a good time.

    And don’t forget Asif has a good record in South Africa,” he added.

    Asif will complete a 12-month ban for a doping offence during the inaugural Indian Premier League on September 22, the day Champions trophy begins in South Africa.

    Intikhab noted that Asif remained a match-winner as on his day he could create trouble for best of the teams.

    He also supported the decision to appoint Shahid Afridi as vice captain, insisting it was a reward for his recent good showing.

    Shahid (Afridi) is one of the most active, energetic and motivated performers in the side and his appointment as vice-captain will be a positive move for other players,” Intikhab said.

    The coach also made it clear that no exceptions would be made for any player in the Champions Trophy training camp to start from September 1.

    Referring to reports that senior batsman Mohammad Yousuf might skip the conditioning camp because of the holy month of Ramazan and his religious preaching tours, Intikhab said so far Yousuf had conveyed no such request to him or the captain.

    No exception would be made for any player including Yousuf. They all have to attend the camp because the Champions Trophy is a very important tournament which we have never won before,” he said.

  329. #330 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 12:38 PM

    Broad: I was right to avoid IPL

    Stuart Broad’s decision to turn down the riches of the Indian Premier League were vindicated with Ashes glory.

    England all-rounder Broad has been tipped to rake in £2million in commercial deals on the back of his performances in the npower series victory over Australia.

    The spin-offs of the 2-1 success appear deserved, however, after Broad showed his commitment to preparing for an Ashes summer by taking three weeks off rather than put himself forward for IPL auction.

    “The reason I didn’t go was to focus on the Ashes and that really worked out for me,” said Broad, who set up England’s fifth Test win with a five-wicket haul at the Oval.

    “I managed to play in all five Tests and make useful contributions to us winning so that decision was certainly worthwhile
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    Some know how to get their priorities right and not to think of money all the time.

  330. #331 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 12:44 PM

    Younis wants to settle the scores

    Younis Khan says he has a “burning ambition” to set the record straight against India by defeating them in CT.

    Since the ICC launched the 50-overs World Cup in 1975 and other world events, Pakistan has only once defeated India in these events when they won at Birmingham in the 2004 Champions Trophy.

    “The fact that we lost twice to India in the inaugural T20 World Cup in 2007 and then also in that World Cup match in 2003 in South Africa still hurts,” Younis said.

    “India is a very good one-day side but it is my burning ambition to set the record straight against them and defeat them this time in the Champions Trophy in South Africa this time,” he said.

    Bilateral cricket ties between the two countries has remained suspended since the terror attacks in Mumbai last November with India canceling a scheduled Test tour to Pakistan in January this year.

    “It would be a big moment when we play India in the Champions Trophy pool match at the Centurion on September 26 as we have not played against each other for a while now,” Younis said.

    “It will not be easy but we have some extra incentive to beat India given our track record in South Africa,” he added.

  331. #332 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 1:28 PM

    Awas

    Pakistan play West Indies, India and Australia in the preliminary round of the CT. They can beat West Indies because half the recognised players of the Windies are not playing. They MIGHT be able to beat India because usually between India and Pakistan matches, the side that handles pressure well, wins. But they will not be able to beat Australia.

    I think the chances of Pakistan progressing to the semis is dim. Even if they beat India they might not be able to win by a massive run rate to give them some kind of edge, because India is a good team now.

  332. #333 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 25, 2009 - 1:54 PM

    Awas, Hmmm @ wife worshiping her husband. He has to worship (love & affection) her to be worshiped.

    Javed, what does Nawaz badmash & his susar have to do with u billi marring? lol

  333. #334 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 2:22 PM

    Sweetie

    That’s not what Islam said to worship your wife…okay!!!

  334. #335 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 2:22 PM

    khansahab

    In agree that the chances of Pakistan progressing to the semis is dim but on the other hand the way Australia is right now beating Australia might be an easier prospect than India.

  335. #336 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 25, 2009 - 2:37 PM

    What okay? If my hubby don’t worship me, I don’t worship him! lol

  336. #337 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 2:39 PM

    Sweetie

    I hope you get your ‘dream come true’ 🙂

  337. #338 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 25, 2009 - 2:42 PM

    Awas, Amen to that =) But… where do u find such a man?

  338. #339 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 25, 2009 - 2:55 PM

    Guys, there is a new thread on the blog. It was due, it is time to review the team selection for the CT and it was also time to move ahead because the page was getting slower by the day. Please write your comments on the new thread, “CHAMPIONS TROPHY & PAKISTAN”

    THANK YOU.

  339. #340 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 25, 2009 - 3:10 PM

    Javed, ure such a spoil sport!!

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