There is no need to replace Younus Khan with Afridi at the moment

There is no need to replace Younus Khan with Afridi at the moment

It is time to write a new thread and it is time to analyze the Pakistan cricket team selected for the Champions Trophy.  It is time for us to raise our concerns over the selection and omission of a few players. The most obvious one is the inclusion of Mohammad Asif and omission of Abdul Razzaq.  Asif has not played international cricket for almost 18 months and it is possible that he might take a few wickets, just like Abdul Razzaq did in the T20 WC, two wickets in his first match and 4 in the final.  But, Abdul Razzaq is dropped in favour of Rana who took 4 wickets in the last ODI and Rao took 5 wickets in the previous ODI against Sri Lanka. Some say that Asif’s inclusion is OK but, Abdul Razzaq should have been retained in the team and either Rao or Rana should have been omitted.  That is because Razzaq has more experience and his bowling would be more effective in SA.

Similarly, in the batting department some say that Salman Butt should have been in the team, but he is totally out of form and he has been getting out cheaply and the team spirit is dented with his early departure.  Khurram Manzoor’s form is better than Butt and he should have been considered in the squad. But, in any case there is no need to lament on Salman Butt’s exclusion.

For someone to open the innings in a 50 over match should not be the likes of Imran Nazir, who is certainly the best bet for a T20 game and not for a 50 overs match. However, if Nazir learns something from (the current) Shahid Afridi, who has learned to control his aggression in the early stages of the innings, he (Imran) too can be very useful and valuable for the team.  The difference between Afridi and Nazir is, the later is only a batsman and if he is out cheaply his utility in the team remains at only 33% of his abilities i.e., purely his fielding. Whereas, Afridi’s utility, because of his bowling and fielding remains at 66%, even if he gets out cheaply.

It is strange that Butt’s omission is justified by his poor form but, Malik and Misbah escapes like a Stealth and no one notices them or raises any objection and they have managed to sneak into the side through an automated selection panel.  This is purely nepotism and jingoism, their inclusion is justified on the basis of experience! What experience are we talking here? Age multiplied by number of years = zero experience.  There has to be a realistic measure to select a player based on his recent past performance and not the averages. The averages could be deceptive and misleading.

Misbah’s average during the Sri Lanka tour (barring the last match in which he remained 72*)  was only 9 and after one not out it is 45. And, Malik’s average is only 7. Yes, s.e.v.e.n. 7.   If one takes into consideration just the averages, then rookie fast bowler Mohammad Aamir’s batting average is second highest at 49 because he remained not out twice.   So, it appears that Misbah’s inclusion in the team is not justified on the basis of his ODI average but, purely on the basis of regionalism. But, Malik case is neither this nor that. He is a chronic, persistent, consistent loser, a trivial politician who is out their to back stab other players in the team and he deliberately throws away his wicket, even asks his colleagues (Misbah and Akmal) to do the same.  Based on that he should have been dropped long ago. The irony is in Pakistan it is neither the form, nor the class but, only “sifarish” works.

Even with the inclusion of the super star bowler Asif in the team, the bowling department is pretty mediocre especially in South Africa the wickets are hard and bouncy.  Rana has the tendency to bowl out side the off stump and he gives too much width to the batsmen to play their shots freely.  Rao, bowls wicket to wicket but, he takes wicket once in blue moon and for rest of the time he is pretty mediocre. Aamir, is too young and he would be playing in SA for the first time, so there is nothing much you can talk about him but, he is by far the best fast bowler in the team today.  Even Gul is off colour in ODI’s these days and he should be used after 20 overs when the ball is old and again after the 44th or 45th over to get the best out of him.

Among the spinners, we need to see how Ajmal will bowl in SA, India and Australia can play him with ease and they can frustrate him and force him to change his line and his variations which could end up in giving away too many runs.  He needs to be focused and remain calm even if he is not getting wickets, if he can contain runs that will be an achievement.   As regards Shahid Afridi, being a leg spinner he is bound to give more runs than a off-spinner and on fast tracks, if Kamran Akmal is slacking behind the stumps, not only will be dropping a few of Afridi’s catches but, would be giving away runs.

Therefore, the bowling department seems to be weak, whereas the batting is still better – provided they play sensibly – but, that is asking too much from Pakistan team.   The whole team plays like champions one day and the next day they play like minnows.

Ijaz Butt should stop making stupid decisions of firing people and now thinking of replacing Younus Khan with Afridi, it is going to hurt the team’s performance a lot.  You cannot change the captain a few weeks before the departure of the team to a major competition especially when the captain and the team has been announced.  This PCB’s off-the-cuff management must come to an end.  Enough is enough.  If the captain needs to be replaced this is not the time, it must be done after the CT and in a proper manner with proper justifications.   This is not Ijaz Butt’s Jageer that he can take decisions just like that.   In fact he should be fired immediately, that will not effect the team’s performance in any manner whatsoever.

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  1. #1 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 3:05 PM


    Good points there. Many have been discussed before but the important one is that its not the time to displace Younus now. Good point there. Removing him would be an impulsive and a knee jerk reaction. And basically, I think, its just media hype. Otherwise, it would have made no sense to name Afridi as VC and not captain.

  2. #2 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 3:10 PM

    I agree that there is no need to replace anyone at the moment, because the team has already started preparing for the tournament and such a massive change in the team environment can result in a few problems. However, after the CT they can discuss changing the captain for the future tours of New Zealand and Australia.

    Sri Lanka has announced its squad and it’s a pretty good squad: Sri Lanka: Kumar Sangakkara (capt), Sanath Jayasuriya, Tillakaratne Dilshan, Upul Tharanga, Mahela Jayawardene, Thilan Samaraweera, Chamara Kapugedera, Angelo Mathews, Muttiah Muralitharan, Ajantha Mendis, Thilan Thushara, Nuwan Kulasekara, Dammika Prasad, Lasith Malinga, Thilina Kandamby

    The bowling is quite strong- in fact with Kulasekara and Thusara accompanying Murali and Mendis, Sri Lanka is going in with one of the strongest bowling line ups.

    I agree with Javed A Khan that Pakistan’s bowling does not appear very reliable. Asif is overrated in ODI’s although he is a good new ball bowler. The problem with Asif is that once the ball loses the shine earlier on, he becomes totally ineffective. Meanwhile, Gul knows how to handle the old ball, although Asif is more accurate and a touch slower than Gul. Both of them are equal calibre I think- Asif being better with the new ball and Gul being better with the old ball.

    Malik and Misbah should not have been selected. I think PCB is playing the New Zealand series in UAE now, after the NZ board demanded $750,000 to host the Test series. If this series would have been played in NZ, Malik and Misbah would have been tested on the swinging pitches. However they might now get away with this yet again.

    Younis’s first choice team would definitely be:

    U Akmal

    If Nazir does not perform for 2 matches, Younis will open with Malik. It is unlikely that Fawad Alam will get a chance although he should be playing in Misbah’s position.

    I would go with:

    U Akmal

  3. #3 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 3:28 PM

    UAE front runner to host Pak-NZ series

    The UAE has emerged as the front runner to host the Pakistan-New Zealand ODI series in November-December this year.

    New Zealand, who were scheduled to tour Pakistan in 2008, cancelled their visit citing security fears. Earlier there was talk of the series being hosted in New Zealand, but the PCB called off such a move citing financial constraints.

    The Dubai Sports City, which hosted 3 ODI’s and a T20 against Australia, has not agreed to all the terms and conditions of the PCB, while the Abu Dhabi sports authorities have not expressed any reservations.

    PCB chief Ijaz Butt is expected to meet Dubai Sports City officials later this week to sort out the issue. Malaysia and USA have emerged as alternative choices to host the series, should the talks between the Dubai authorities and the PCB fail.

    Sources, although admit that it would be a difficult proposition to hold the series in the United States, as it would be difficult to obtain the visas for the players and officials in such short notice.

  4. #4 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 3:38 PM

    The preparations for the CT have already started and one wonders why there have not been any major changes in the team management (excluding the captain).

    Assistant staff like the assistant team manager and assistant coach have been sacked, but what kind of authority do assistants have anyway? It seems that Butt has just done this to show everyone that he is indeed a man of action. I think Aaqib Javed and the other assistant manager have been made scapegoats.

    After the humiliating loss to Sri Lanka, these 5 individuals should have been sacked because it is because of them Pakistan lost:

    Ijaz Butt
    Yawar Saeed
    Inti Alam
    Shoaib Malik
    Misbah ul Haq

    However, all 5 of them are still there. NOW it is too late to sack anyone, because the formal preparation has already commenced. These 5 individuals have gotten away with murder. Shame on you PCB and PPP government.

  5. #5 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 3:54 PM


    Even one sacking would have sufficed that of Ijaz Butt. The rest would have followed suit – knock on effect.

    It just shows Zardari has no interest in cricket. The main qualification of a president should be love of cricket, rest is not so important to be able to govern Pakistan as Pakistan runs auto-pilot. On that basis Imran Khan should be president.

  6. #6 by Pawan on August 25, 2009 - 4:00 PM

    Hello Javed, Khansahab and Awas

    Reading last few of your threads gave me the impression that there seems to be disunity in the Pakistan team because of certain players, specifically Shoaib Malik and Misbah-ul-Haq. To me it looks like Pakistan as an ODI team and as a T20 team has been top class. Thanks to splendid form displayed by Afridi. But I guess there has been a period, rather long, when Afridi was not performing with the bat and was still being persisted with. Then he turned his focus to bowling and eventually became a permanent fixture in the Pakistan team. So I believe, to be fair, chance must be given to other players like Malik and Misbah to show their true potential. There will always be some time in a players life where he will not perform according to expectation (except of course some greats like Tendulkar, Sobers, Bradman, etc). Even Inzamam had a pretty rough patch in 1999 world cup, if I am not wrong. Regarding the politics being played in the team, I believe the captain, Younis Khan would be the best judge to take a call on it. If he feels that there have been some players who have been under performing deliberately then he should take a decision on his own. There is nothing that can be done by bad mouthing about certain players to a personal level. To some extent humor can be tolerated. But singling out players and discussing them on length is just waste of time and space, because we are no one to take any decision on this issue. Also no one is 100% sure as to whether these guys do play politics and under perform deliberately. of course every one has freedom of thought and its a free world. But I believe talking bad about others only spoils our own mouth. I understand there can be an immediate outrage when our team loses. But persistent criticizing needs to have a solid proof. Otherwise people will not value our opinion as critiques.

    Just a thought…

  7. #7 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 4:23 PM


    Do you agree with Dravid’s inclusion in the squad?

    Also, what do you think about India’s chances agaisnt Pakistan and Australia? It will be interesting to know how Indians are considering their chances. I think India has enough mettle to beat both Pakistan and Australia, subject to the usual complacency factor and also sometimes lack of application by guys like Yuvraj.

    I agree with you to a certain extent about Malik and Misbah, but it seems there are better players than them in the team. Also, by the looks of it Younis DOES want to drop them, but the coach and team manager are against it.

  8. #8 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 4:33 PM


    Its not “just a thought”, it’s an excellent though coming from an impartial observer. Well said – Bravo! Nice to know someone thinks like me 🙂

    Some sources in the press had expressed views that there was “disunity”, “discord” etc in the team but Younus has vehemently denied it a few times not just once and so did Butt. I wouldn’t have believed Butt alone and I don’t admonish every word and every step that Butt takes. Appointment of Afridi as VC was laudable, for example.

    On Inzi’s lack of form at the time you are spot on. He even seeked help from Viv Richards then but to no avail. Unfortunately, I do not class Malik and Misbah at the same level as Inzi or Afridi. Only Younus, Yousaf demand such luxury.

    As you say quite rightly, Younus is the best judge to take a call on politics.
    And I only repeat what you said so well:

    No one is 100% sure as to whether these guys do play politics and under perform deliberately”.

    I believe talking bad about others only spoils our own mouth”.

    In the last Ashes match how Australia got shot out for 160 in the first innings, if it was Pakistan imagine how knives would have been out on certain players 🙂

  9. #9 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 5:47 PM


    Are you trying to imply I am not “impartial”?

    (rolls up sleeves)


    Only joking.

  10. #10 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 5:58 PM


    “Impartial” you definitely are but cool headed thoughts perhaps come with maturity 🙂

  11. #11 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 7:08 PM



    (rolls down sleeves)

  12. #12 by Pawan on August 25, 2009 - 8:00 PM

    Thanks for accepting my suggestion with an open-mind Awas and khansahab. A person can only get better with an open thought process.

    I remember I had criticized Mr. Khan, the Pakistan Captain, during the T20 world cup for overdoing his smiley type attitude. it did look stupid at that time. But then he came up with world-winning performances (by motivating players like Afridi and stringing a team together) and took Pakistan to the top. Sharing constructive criticism helps build and progress the world to a great level, unknown as before. One can amaze oneself by acting responsibly. Take the example of Afridi. Not only the cricketing work, but even he him will accept that he is having the time of his life. It all came when he started taking his own and his country’s responsibility. One can do anything he wants. All you need is a desire.

    Khansahab, regarding Dravid being in the ODI team, I think its quite a positive move. The way the seniors in the Indian cricket team were shaken off by the new generation selectors by inducing new blood and giving them the message that no ones place is secure based only on reputation, same way should be the new guys. The message must pass across that merit is the only criteria for selection in the national team.

    Dravid has performed outstandingly in the T20 matches of IPL, in case you guys didn’t follow it. He truly deserves a come back. Rohit Sharma was surely looking complacent to me. Everyone needs a fair treatment. He also brings along with him the experience of playing bouncers, which undoubtedly the Indians will be treated with, especially on SA wickets. Along with Dravid there is more experience in Sachin Tendulkar. So guys like Dravid and Tendulkar can definitely add in to the suggestions given by the current coach – Gary Kirsten.

    If you ask me about the way India will fare in the CT, well, I think it has a great chance to be honest with you. Following factors I think are important in a 50 over game:

    1. You need good solid and steady starts. Sehwag not in the team is a definite blow, but I believe that would not affect as much because he is being replaced by the master himself. In ODI cricket, I would rate Tendulkar (even on current form) higher than Sehwag. Because Sehwag is a 1 out of 5 match player, while Tendulkar is a 4 out of 5 match player. CT is a knockout I suppose. So if you ask me, I would definitely vouch for Tenduklar in such a situation. Gambhir and the master forms a potent opening combination.

    2. Coming in at No.3 would be Dravid, an experienced campaigner in ODI cricket. Had it been a T20 match, I would not be so confident about Dravid. But in ODI cricket, you definitely need some consolidators in your team. Just like Yousuf for Pakistan, Dravid is someone who can carry his bat till the end of innings and stay rock solid. A decent score for a team mostly wins matches, unless the other team performs exceptionally well. Having a decent score in mind with solid player like Dravid also releases the pressure to perform on other guys.

    3. The middle order must have good temperament. People talk about this a lot. Temperament. It means the ability to weather the storm and adapt accordingly without failure. Dhoni is a captain with excellent temperament. Especially in ODIs where he has lot more time on his hands than the T20s. Of course Yuvraj’s presence in the team is important, especially while chasing or while finishing off the innings with a flurry of boundaries but it is not as important as in T20. Because Yuvraj is such an expectionally gifted player, he can play shots at will and does not need a lot of time to get into the groove straightway, he is an excellent t20 player. In ODI cricket he needs to still work on his temperament.

    3. A solid batting line up in another key for ODI success. A team nowadays must be ready to chase a total in excess of 300 without much fuss. That is what I mean by solid batting line up. Chasing scores consistently without much effort in excess of 300 gives the bowlers a whole lot of confidence and send shivers down the spine of the opposition team.

    4. Bowling in ODI cricket is different than T20. I believe in ODIs the bowlers can be much more aggressive and not just look to contain. Life without Zaheer is something which is going to be a challenge for the team. Ishant and Nehra should put their hands up and deliver the goods. You know what tests a bowler most? The way he behaves when he is being carted around by the batsmen. Zaheer nowadays has become so potent only because he has maintained that discipline in his bowling as in his life due to having a settled girlfriend. What you do outside cricket affects your cricketing career for sure. Nehra and Ishant only need to show that discipline and not get too complacent or carried away by any thing. If and only if you maintain discipline, will you be able to survive the treatment meted out to the bowlers these days.

    5. Having a spinner in the team is very important, go ask Ricky Ponting. I still believe Harbhajan can do a lot more than he normally does. I believe his place needs to be challenged by someone like Amit Mishra. Only when there is competition that the turbanator brings out the best in himself. That is something which nobody can change. Some people can only give their best when there is stiff competition. Harbhajan looks to me of that type.

    Will keep writing during the CT. Hopefully it will be good for the subcontinent.

    On current ODI form, and the wickets to be played on and my personal intuition following are my top five contenders to grab the CT:

    1. SA
    2. India
    3. Australia
    4. Pakistan
    5. Sri-Lanka/England

  13. #13 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 9:23 PM


    I agree with you. About a year ago or so I wanted Dravid to be dropped from the ODI team on the basis that he was playing too slowly and looking very hesitant. But, in domestic cricket and of course in IPL he showed he still has the ability to perform. And I think he will definitely provide consistency and stability in the CT. He will obviously be an automatic selection going in.

    NZ player Ian Butler has said that Yuvraj, Saeed Ajmal and Steyn will be the best players of the CT. Yuvraj is a bit of a gamble although on his day he bats better than most. With Steyn, Ntini, Morkel etc in full flow, SA can beat any team very easily.

  14. #14 by khansahab on August 25, 2009 - 9:29 PM

    Batting Advisor Miandad to be present at Conditioning Camp

    ISLAMABAD, Aug 25 (APP): Batting Advisor of Pakistan Cricket Board, Javed Miandad, will attend the national cricket team’s 10-day conditioning camp starting at Qadaffi Stadium in Lahore on September 1.

    Former Test star Javed Miandad will help devise an overall strategy besides giving coaching tips to the Pakistan team which will assemble at this conditioning camp before competing in the next month’s Champions Trophy.

    The Pakistan squad will leave for South Africa on September 17 to take part in the Champions Trophy which will start on September 22 with Pakistan to take on West Indies in their first match.

    Fast bowler Muhammad Asif will not travel with the team. He will leave for South Africa on September 21 and join the squad on September 23–a day after he completes an ICC-imposed one-year doping ban on him, resulting from an offence in IPL last year.

    Batting Advisor of Pakistan Cricket Board, former superstar Javed Miandad, in an earlier interview said he would impart tips to the national team as part of overall strategy in the run-up to its title campaign for the next month’s Champions Trophy.

    “Not just batting, Rather I will be available for coaching tips in other departments such as bowling, fielding etc. besides helping to devise strategy for victory in the Champions Trophy”, he said.

    The 15 players selected for the Champions Trophy are Younis Khan (Captain), Imran Nazir, Muhammad Yousaf, Misbah Ul Haq, Umar Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi (Vice Captain), Rana Naveed, Fawad Alam, Kamran Akmal, Umar Gul, Muhammad Amir, Muhammad Asif, Rao Iftikhar Anjum and Saeed Ajmal.

    The Reserves selected: Sarfraz Ahmad, Khalid Latif, Shaharyar Ghani, Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Talha while the Team Officials are Yawar Saeed Manager, Shafqat Rana, Associate Manager, Intikhab Alam Coach, Mohtashim Rasheed Fielding Coach and David Dwyer Trainer, Umar Farooq Analyst Faisal Hayat Physio and Abdul Rauf Masseur.

  15. #15 by Awas on August 25, 2009 - 9:43 PM


    When many on LS were saying Younus is not a T20 type player, I used to give examples of Dravid in IPL that a class act can mould easily and Younus indeed did.

  16. #16 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 2:14 AM

    Awas your comment # 15. Yes, you did, but Younus himself agreed that he is not a T20 player and took retirement. So, neither you, nor those who were saying he is not a T20 player are not wrong.

    Pawan, good to see you back after a long time on the blog with your comments, from now on till the end of the CT we shall be discussing cricket, so hopefully you are going to participate on a regular basis.

    On your doubts that Malik and Misbah may not be under performing deliberately there is ample proof of they are deliberately under performing and the reason it will not come from Younus Khan’s mouth or from any of the officials is because, that will really be a serious matter. Such things are not announced publicly it is just like, when they drop a senior player they say he is not fit or he is injured or sick.

  17. #17 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 2:16 AM


    Which one of your sport did I spoil? Hope you are not talking about bedminton? That’s already spoiled ain’t?

  18. #18 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 26, 2009 - 2:22 AM

    Hmmmm… Either u don’t know what spoil sport means or…. lol
    BTW how do u know it’s spoiled? haha 😉

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 2:27 AM


    A few more thoughts on “Reward & Punishment.” Isn’t there a reward and punishment policy in the corporate world? Aren’t there promotions, demotions, stagnation and terminations? Don’t they talk about carrot and stick? Which is same as reward and punishment. What are increments and bonuses?

    If there is no punishment, then you will have more Malik’s and Misbah’s or, Inti’s and Yawars.

    The thing is, in Zardari’s government he gives rewards to all those who work for him at the expense of the population of the country. Whereas, Mullah’s only talk about punishment, A Mullah says: If you do this you will be punished like this and like that and he gives 70,000 examples of punishment. As if Allah s.w.a.t. has nothing else to do but punish people. Allah is Ghafoor, Kareem, Rahim and Rahman, in other words He is the most beneficent and the most merciful.


    I forgot about the Reward which the Mullah’s talk so blatantly and so proudly and that is about millions of years old HOORS which they say they will get as a reward! I think for me, it would be a punishment 😀

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 2:28 AM

    Sweetie, I heard the horses neigh LOL… just leave it here. I am not a spoil sport. 😀

  21. #21 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 26, 2009 - 2:30 AM

    Javed, they do? lol u pay attention don’t u? lolll

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 2:36 AM

    Sweetie, Yes I do – with all my ears – and my akhroat brain too 😀

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 2:38 AM


    Here is the latest news from DAWN

    LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ijaz Butt is still on course to get the support of the Governing Board members to oust Chief Operating Officer Salim Altaf from the post.

    Reliable sources told Dawn that the chairman before going to Dubai had assigned the duty to some Governing Board members close to him in order to convince the others to support him in his move.

    It may be mentioned here that the chairman had planned the same move against Saleem in the last Governing Board meeting held in Karachi on Aug 13, but he postponed it then in the fear that the move could fail since he had no real charges against Saleem, choosing to wait for another more opportune time to bring it up again.

    Sources said that the Governing Board members were of the view that the PCB chairman would prepare a charge sheet against Saleem before asking them for his removal since he had himself picked the chief operating officer and also later got approval for it from the Governing Board.

    And if the chairman succeeded in removing the chief operating officer without any charge, it would have looked like the Governing Board members had no powers and were bound to follow him in all conditions.

    Furthermore, another source told Dawn that no one could predict the chairman’s next step as he had frequently been changing his friends and enemies.

    They fear that after getting rid of Saleem Altaf, no one can guarantee what kind of treatment the chairman will dish out to the Governing Board members.

    Besides Saleem Altaf, the PCB chairman had picked Abdul Qadir as chief selector, Aamir Sohail as NCA director and Asif Sohail as special assistant to the chairman.

    All were not allowed to work independently during their seven-month association with the PCB and finally preferred to resign.

  24. #24 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 26, 2009 - 2:39 AM

    LOL @ akhroat. Need i say more? hahaha

    If hoors will be punishment for u, u can always stick with Baad-roohs.

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 2:55 AM

    I don’t like Rooh Afza 😀 and I am not talking about dying. You must have heard Surah Rahman? Especially this verse, “Fab-e-aye-A-A’la e Rubbi-kuma-Tukkazibaan.” Tum meri kin kin Neamaton ko jhutlao ge? He is mentioning about the Neamats of this world, I say this very often when I eat Chaunsa Mango 😀

  26. #26 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 9:05 AM


    but Younus himself agreed that he is not a T20 player and took retirement”.

    I don’t think he “agreed” that he is not a T20 player. He simply took retirement and mentioned pressure of T20 at his age. In that cup, he scored 172 runs at a strike rate of 140. Afridi scored 176 at a strike rate of 141. Hardly any difference there in a T20 player and in “not a T20 player”.

  27. #27 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 9:35 AM

    I was watching Wasim Akram’s interview to an Indian TV channel. I feel so strange watching Wasim in India because I know Wasim has no special sympathy with India and he is just there to make money. When the Indians speak to him with so much respect, it makes me feel very uneasy.

    In Pakistan he always refuses to coach players, because he knows he will not get as much money as in India. He gives this excuse that, coaching is a long term job, there is lots of travel etc, which is why he can’t afford to coach in Pakistan. But somehow he is not averse to coaching in India? Everyone knows he wanted to be the Indian team’s bowling coach, but Prasad got the job and I think he was demanding half as much money as Wasim. His appointment as coach of the Kolkota Knight Riders is now on the cards.

    In this interview that I was watching, Wasim was buttering India right left and centre. When asked about who he thought bowls the best yorkers at the death, he hesitated and murmured, “Sohail Tanvir”. It was like how Shahrukh Khan normally hesitates when he says he is a Muslim and says, “Allah”.

    And then Wasim was asked whether he was naughty as a kid, and he said yes, he was naughty and he also “ran after a lot of girls”.

    Then he was asked about his opinion on IPL cheerleaders and I was surprised at his response. He gave a perverted smile and said, “Oh they are fun. I wish they were there in my time”.

    He can’t say those things in Pakistan.

  28. #28 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 9:41 AM


    I agree with you. Although NZ and Australian players love to whine, I agree that monitoring should be applied to match situations, not in laboratories.

    But can you imagine what the public reaction will be if players like Murali and Shoaib Akhtar are banned permanently because of illegal actions? They will accuse ICC of racism. Now because of India’s progress, the Asian bloc of the ICC earns more revenue than any other bloc or any other cricket playing territory. So I think there will be undue pressure on the ICC, if players like Ajmal, Akhtar, Harbhajan, Murali and Malinga are banned.

    Ajmal and Harbhajans’ actions look OK to be, but Malinga and Murali definitely chuck.

  29. #29 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 10:07 AM


    When Musharraf was asked about him “stealing electricity” in Islamabad, he responded:

    “I am paying electricity at the standard rate of that area. All the houses in that area pay the same rate. So how can I pay anything that is different to the normal, official rate? These accusations are just petty and baseless to disgrace and demoralise me.”

  30. #30 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 10:08 AM


    “…but Malinga and Murali definitely chuck

    Apparently, Malinga does not “chuck” within the boundaries of chucking rules as that much has been said. But his sideways action is definitely quaint and more questionable to naked eye. It just shows chucking rules are a complete nonsense.

  31. #31 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 10:13 AM

    Zahid Malik interviewed Musharraf recently and these are his observations:

    General Pervez Musharraf:

    Contrary to public perception here in Pakistan, the new abode of the former President, 28 Castleacre, is just 3-bed modest apartment. Not luxuriously decorated. It is a ten-storey building with three apartments on each floor. Some prominent Pakistanis like Mr Aftab Sherpao, and Lt Gen (Retd) Zahid Ali Akbar, former Chairman WAPDA, have apartments of their own in another building about 100 yards away as pointed out to me by the former President, while we were looking the surroundings through a window of his apartment. Mr. Rehman Malik, the strongman of the Government and Sir Anwar Parvez, a Pakistani business tycoon have comfortable residences in two adjoining buildings. Thus the area of General Musharraf’s new abode can be described as 5% Gulbarg, Lahore of Pakistan, while Mr. Shaukat Aziz has an elegant apartment in a posh all-gora sector.

    General Pervez Musharraf was a refreshing model of strong commitment, unwavering confidence, and with usual commando exuberance. My two-hour long interaction with General Pervez Musharraf convinced me that he was all willing to play another innings in Pakistan and that too on the front foot. He totally and stubbornly rejects all awkward bouncers, some of which may injure him.

    The former President is convinced that all of his Presidential actions were taken after due consideration and on the basis of “Pakistan first”. Some of the top Grade 22 politicians of Pakistan, belonging to various political parties, but mostly with PML (Q) identity, are in touch with him on a regular basis. Many politicians who are somebody in the Pakistani political set-up call on him when they visit London and all of them have to wait for a day or two to fix an appointment. Fast track meetings are possible only if one routes through Mr Shaukat Aziz who is in touch with his former “boss” on a 24-hour basis.

    The former President is thinking in terms of forming a new Muslim League Party which may take all splinter groups of Muslim League, under his wings. “Pir Sahib has assured me that his hurs will enthusiastically receive me at the airport whenever I return to Pakistan”, General Musharraf told me. Even Makhdoom Amin Fahim had a candle – light dinner with him at Dubai when both of them were in UAE to attend the fabulous marriage party of the son of Mr Sadaruddin Hashwani, fondly known as Sadru.

    However, it is pertinent to mention that the former President is not likely to come back in the near future. He has an enviable statesman clout in many countries. Khadim Al-Haramain Al-Sharifain powerful King Abdullah has extended him an invitation to visit the Kingdom as his personal guest. He is also scheduled to deliver 14 lectures at various establishments in USA where Henry Kissinger, a former US Secretary of State, will be a co-speaker in some of the engagements. General Pervez Musharraf has acquired a status of an accomplished, par excellence speaker, who speaks with courage and conviction. So, to be brief, he will in the near future not he back to Pakistan because of his impending international engagements.

    I wish some of our single-track revengeful politicians in Pakistan must have risen above their self and the former President, who enjoys tremendous respectability abroad, should have been “pardoned” and informally integrated with in the state institutions as a trouble shooter abroad if and when situation so demanded.

  32. #32 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 10:17 AM

    Zahid Malik also interviewed Altaf Hussein and this what Altaf Bhai said:

    1. General (Retd) Pervez Musharraf was being harassed because he was a mohajir (refugee). “But we will not let any one to cause harm to him. Mr Malik convey my this solemn pledge to those who are Musharraf’s blood thirsty”.

    2. For God sake save Balochistan. Don’t kill and get killed.

    3. A process of Balkanization of Pakistan has begun. Is there anyone to check the process?

  33. #33 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 10:26 AM


    Does it really matter if Wasim Akram prefers to earn mega bucks in India? Is it any different to cricketers playing in IPL or Pakistanis/Indians working in the West? If he has earned his respect in India then good for him. On the flip side at least he espouses cordial relations between the two countries which shouldn’t be something to be admonished. Didn’t Musharraf and Vajpayee try to do that? If some others can play their role to have good relations between the two countries then so much the better.

    If in his opinion Sohail Tanvir is the best at death bowling then he is entitled to his opinion. Just as I might say Omer Gul is better at it or Younus/Dravid are good for T20.

    Don’t some of us run after girls too and like cheerleaders?

    I would call this kind of criticism just for criticism sake and unnecessary and repeat what Pawan said “I believe talking bad about others only spoils our own mouth”.

  34. #34 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 10:36 AM


    Pakistan is what made Wasim Akram what he is today. And a cricketer can never bring countries together, only politicians can. Mohsin Khan married an Indian and spent a lot of time in India, reported Imran Khan also had affairs with Indian women and frequently visits posh Mumbai beaches and resorts, Afridi reportedly had an affair with Sonali Bendre, Shoaib Akhtar has business stakes in India- but how has that helped international relations?

    If the standard of the Pakistan team was like India, or any other good team, then I would not be saying this. But the fact is that his own country needs him today and he is working somewhere else for the sake of money. All of us run after girls, but all of us won’t admit that on TV in front of billions, because Pakistan is a conservative country and being brought up in a conservative society means you need to be careful about what you are saying regarding sexuality.

    It suits a 20 year old to say directly, or imply, he finds cheerleaders sexually stimulating, but it does not suit a 40 year old to say that on international TV. If that statement is made by an English cricketer here in England, it will be deemed as controversial and it will create some kind of buzz.

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 10:40 AM


    On the subject of Wasim Akram in India, recently I was talking to a few people about how some of the Pakistani “so-called” celebrities love to be in India, be it cricket or Bollywood. The examples I cited were of Adnan Sami Khan and Wasim Akram. Upon my saying that it is very unpatriotic of them to go to India just for the lust of money, the guy replied: “It is a free market and you can do business with anyone. There is no harm in making money in India.”

    My response was: “Yes, its true what you are saying, but India / Pakistan relations are not that good and there is something called patriotism and, I don’t see any Indian player or any actor/singer from India coming to Pakistan to earn money. If you can earn money with honour, dignity and respect in your own country why do you have to go to a country with whom you have sour relations? Show some patriotism like the Indians do. And, not only that, they don’t buy any Pakistani product, even if it is good in quality and cheaper in price (e.g., cotton products such as sheets, towels, shirts, jeans etc.) they still prefer to buy made in India products.”

    He laughed and said, “You can make money which ever way, it is fine with me.” I said, “OK then why do people think that money earned through prostitution and pimping is bad?” Would you like to do that? He got a bit upset with me, but the truth is money cannot buy patriotism. If that person is willing to sell everything like, Wasim Akram and Adnan Sami Khan are doing. Then, I have no respect for such people just as much as I have no respect for money earned through prostitution and pimping.

  36. #36 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 10:45 AM


    Murali is a chucker who jerks, BUT Malinga, he throws the ball like a stone and that is NOT bowling, it is simply throwing.

    In my opinion both are NOT bowlers. One is a chucker, the other is a thrower. C’est ca.

  37. #37 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 10:47 AM

    Javed A Khan

    I agree to what you are saying about the means of earning money, but I think Adnan Sami Khan’s case is slightly different. His music was not appreciated in Pakistan as much as in India. So he has benefited a lot personally by going to India. His music is more classical and soulful, whereas in Pakistan the younger generation opts more for either old style classical music, or bhangra or modern pop.

    The reason why I want to make an exception about Wasim Akram is because, Wasim is considered very highly in Pakistan too, as in India. He CAN make a lot of money in Pakistan and be the best in the business, something which Adnan Sami could not do in Pakistan. For example, bhangra artists from Pakistan went to India too to earn money, but they did not get that type of response. I remember Abrar ul Haq went to India but he only got appreciation in Punjab, because his work in mainly bhangra based.

  38. #38 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 10:52 AM


    True only leaders can bring countries together but good vibes emitted by others can only help. Playing bi-lateral cricket is one, fans appreciating others’ hospitality is another, journalists, businessmen they all have a role to play. If leaders only want it and others hate each other then it doesn’t work.

    About women and cheerleaders they are just light hearted comments on TV. People when they get older they talk about the past. On chat shows like Parkinson, Jay Leno or whatever, many politicians even crack jokes and talk about women not just celebrities.

  39. #39 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 11:00 AM

    Jinnahpur debunked

    Dawn Editorial

    The ghosts of Pakistan’s violent political past continue to haunt the country. Extraordinary statements by a former IB chief and a former corps commander of Karachi have triggered a bitter row between the MQM and PML-N this week. First, some history.

    During Nawaz Sharif’s first tenure as prime minister, Sindh was facing a grave law and order crisis. Banditry had reached epidemic levels in the interior of the province and the cities in the south were unsettled. At the time, the MQM and the Nawaz Sharif-led alliance, the IJI, were in government together, but the MQM was blamed for fomenting the crisis and the army was called in to deal with the issue. As is the nature of such matters, few things are known for certain.

    It does seem though that the PML and the MQM were sucked into a conflict where other players, such as President Ghulam Ishaq Khan and army chief Asif Nawaz, had other agendas and axes to grind. The upshot was that the MQM was weakened as a party and its reputation sullied by the allegation that it wanted a separate homeland, the so-called Jinnahpur, which stretched from Karachi to Thatta.

    Now, Brig Imtiaz Ahmed (retd), formerly close to Mr Sharif and rumoured to have had his recent overtures to the PML-N rebuffed, along with Gen Naseer Akhtar (retd) has claimed that the Jinnahpur maps were fake and the separatist claim baseless. The MQM has leapt on the admissions and gone into overdrive to proclaim its bona fides as a Pakistani party that was maliciously slandered by its opponents. Puzzling as the timing of the retired army officials’ statements is and unseemly as the MQM-PML-N spat is, Altaf Hussain has perhaps made the most pertinent suggestion: the need for a truth and reconciliation commission.

    In truth, few political parties in this country can claim to have clean hands when it comes to dealing with one another. So perhaps, as they collectively steer the country’s latest transition to democracy, what the parties need most is to demonstrate that they can bury the past and genuinely work with one another towards institutional stability. A truth and reconciliation committee would be an important first step in that direction.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 11:02 AM

    What I wrote above, about India / Pakistan relations being sour is a truth. And, by no means my intention is to hurt our Indian blogger friends like, Varun and Pawan etc. I am sure they both understand what I mean by that and I do appreciate that Indians are more patriotic in many ways than Pakistanis are.

    Pakistanis get emotional and get united only on the basis of religion but there is no morality and self respect in a certain segment of the Pakistani society and to highlight it, they are the so-called bay sharam, nouveau riche who flaunts newly acquired wealth. Also, they love to butter the butts of their masters no matter who that may be.


    I forgot to mention one more point about Wasim Akram. It is possibly true that he ran after a lot of girls because they were scared of him i.e., because he is so ugly with his eggplant nose and pimply face. When he was in his late teens and early twenties his nose was outstandingly long and I remember one SA spectator displayed a play card in Johannesburg i.e., when Wasim came in to bat. “Wasim your nose is longer than the cricket bat, so throw the bat away and use your long handle nose.”


    I wrote my comment before reading yours, sorry that we do have totally different opinions on the subject.

  41. #41 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 11:12 AM

    Javed A Khan

    When Miandad first saw Irfan Pathan, he thought Pathan was mediocre and said, “Bowlers like Pathan are found very commonly in Pakistan”.

    After that Wasim Akram gave tips to Pathan and Pathan’s bowling improved substantially.

    Then Miandad remarked, “Why is he giving tips to Indian players when he can also give tips to Pakistani players”?

    So Akram replied, “You know Javed Bhai was my mentor but sometimes I don’t think he thinks before saying something”.

    Now, my take is on the issue is, whether your employer is India, or Australia, or New Zealand, if you can get big bucks and respect in your own country, you should not work for someone else. If Wasim was coaching in England or Australia, I would be saying the same thing. If these rich and famous people will not pursue Musharraf’s agenda of “Pakastan first”, how can the poor middle and lower classes pursue the agenda?

  42. #42 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 11:13 AM


    If “India/Pakistan relations are not that good” then the idea that we should boycott each other is one thought and then to start having cordial relations by starting with bi-lateral tours etc is another. It is not as though they are at war with each other. The fact that they can get visas for each other’s countries shows that it’s not a war like situation.

    Many also consider America and West as enemies too because of their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq but they still not only work there but many of those who don’t would like to work there.

  43. #43 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 11:14 AM

    Awas: How come your photo icon disappeared? Check it out pls.

    As regards Vajpayee or Musharaf promoting sour relations, it is a totally different thing, it is the job of the politicians to try and improve sour relations between the countries.

    We talk so much about cricket diplomacy, yes the cricket fans support and love the matches between the two countries, but there are certain elements on both sides they have a role to play for their own benefit and I have a feeling that this will not improve until and unless there is no dispute remaining between the two countries.

    As regards Wasim Akram’s role, I have already said enough and I agree with khansahab that he could have earned a lot money in Pakistan. But, I don’t agree with khansahab to rule out Adnan Sami Khan from that category. You cannot have two set of rules and one applies to one and the other for another person. Adnan Sami could have also made a lot money but, there is something called LUST and that is never ending. Contentment, patriotism, honesty, sincerity these are the virtues that ennobles people and make them different from others. Money is important, but it cannot buy everything and it is not everything.

  44. #44 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 11:19 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Agreed in principle about Adnan Sami Khan, but I didn’t even know who he was until he went to India. I only ever recall one of his songs that I heard when I grew up in Pakastan, “Zarra dholki bajao soniyo”. And it seems when he got divorced to Zeba Bakhtayar, he lost his clout because he was not from such a prominent background as she was.

    Whereas when he went to India his first 4 or 5 songs were chart toppers and we started watching him on TV. In Pakistan hardly anyone listens to Adnan’s type of music, because his music does not appeal to pop music lovers, Punjabi/bhangra market, older people who listen to classical/ghazals etc. He has a very specific fan base and most of them are in India.

    Plus, Pakistan is still very talented and famous for its music scene. The problem is that sport and cricket is on a decline and it is in sport that Pakistan needs talent.

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 11:25 AM


    I understand your point that the countries are not at war but, the situation is not rosy either, giving visas is something else, if there is a war, that will be the end of the story, Wasim or anyone would not be living there. Just when the Mumbai shooting took place, Adnan Sami got death threats and he had to flea to Dubai. He is scared to go back to Pakistan because he knows people will boo him, as they say in Urdu: “Moo per thookenge.” Another Pakistani artiste (some stupid comedian) was beaten very badly on the streets of Mumbai, good for him. I have no sympathy for such idiots.

    As regards patriotism, I have quoted the facts that Indians show more patriotism and it is not just limited to buying Pakistani products, but much more than that.


    I remember Javed Miandad’s comments on Wasim coaching Irfan Pathan. Even we have discussed about it a lot here on this blog. And, I am not restricting my criticism on Wasim Akram only, it implies to all those Pakistani players who played for the IPL and ICL and we wrote a lot on that subject also.

  46. #46 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 11:27 AM

    Javed A Khan

    I can see Awas’s photo icon, because I use Google Chrome web browser………..the future of web browsing 🙂

    I have a problem with this concept of, “I am a professional and I will work for whoever pays me the most”. It is adopted by Pakistani sportsmen, musicians, showbiz people etc.

  47. #47 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 11:34 AM


    I think you misread me on chucking. I find Malinga’s action diabolical, worse than Murali’s. That’s why I said ICC chucking rules are nonsense.

    On Wasim Akram

    He has openly asked PCB for a coaching job but quite rightly PCB are never going to entertain him because of his involvement in betting and because ICC would object and neither will they entertain Salim Malik and Asif Iqbal for that reason. That is why he seeks to earn his keep elsewhere.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 11:37 AM


    Sami Khan, when he was a teenager, he grew up in Abu Dhabi, because his father was a military attache to ZA Bhutto had to leave the country (Pakistan) during Zia ul Haq’s time and he got a job in Abu Dhabi and lived for good number of years. And, I remember Adnan as a teenager used to play the Roland Keyboard and I heard him then, he was very talented even then. It was his father who insisted that he should play desi classical music on the keyboard, until then he used to play English tunes like most kids.

    When BB came into power his father went back to Pakistan and perhaps he became the Ambassador of Pakistan for the UK. Adnan became popular in Pakistan in that short period of time and that is how he got the attention of Zeba Bakhtiar, if you have not heard of him then, it is not Zeba’s problem. Because, she had much bigger problems. Before she met Adnan, she was in Bollywood movies and came to Dubai with Rishi Kapoor etc. It was after he met her that he went to Bollywood on a visit and after that it is all known to you and everyone. After his divorce with Zeba a few years later he reportedly married a local Dubai girl from the Galadari family.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 11:44 AM


    After I refreshed my page, I was able to see the picture of Awas in the icon box, so I will still be loyal to my Mozilla Firefox because it does not give me any trouble and I am content and happy with what I have 😉


    Since you have highlighted the reason why Wasim cannot work in Pakistan as a coach I find the ICC ruling very ridiculous and hypocritical, if one player is banned in his own country, how can he be allowed to do the same job in another country? Anyways, that is not I am interested in. My point was purely on the subject of patriotism. Wasim can still make money in Pakistan and his family is not paupers besides he has built an empire from his betting deals. He is a crook with a crooked nose ! 😀

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 11:45 AM


    I have now noted your point on Malinga…………. thanks

  51. #51 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 5:39 PM


    I find the ICC ruling very ridiculous and hypocritical,…”

    I think what it is that he can work for a club side like IPL but not for a national side.

    I mentioned Asif Iqbal’s name earlier but mind you he comes across very well. He is educated, eloquent and doesn’t talk nonsense. No idea how involved he was in betting but it’s a shame he got his name muddied. He would have made a good administrator or something.

  52. #52 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 5:44 PM


    By his looks Asif Iqbal does not appear a cheat or crook and I think Javed A Khan explained recently that it’s a misunderstanding he was a match fixer.

    However, I never liked Asif Iqbal because once he was being interviewed in Urdu and he kept speaking in English. The interviewer kept asking the same questions again and again in Urdu to sort of hint that he wants Iqbal to answer in Urdu, but Iqbal wouldn’t budge. It was like, “English jhaarna”. I don’t like those kinds of people. A language is a language and it doesn’t matter which you speak. Yes, I have a problem when someone speaks WRONG English when they can’t speak right English- that is a different matter.

  53. #53 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 6:29 PM


    I wouldn’t dislike someone for a small thing like that if done once in a while.

    If I wanna be picky, I can mention 10 things that I may pick about you but that still may not make me dislike you 🙂

    However, whether it was a “misunderstanding” about match fixing or not is questionable as it’s a matter of opinion but I would rather have an open mind about him than be judgemental.

  54. #54 by khansahab on August 26, 2009 - 6:31 PM


    So now it’s quite clear you don’t like me 😦

    Am I the new Abdul of this blog?

  55. #55 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 6:37 PM


    Yeah…clear as mud 🙂

    Oh yeah, whatever happened to Addul?

  56. #56 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 6:39 PM

    …and Theo?

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2009 - 8:12 PM


    I can tell you why he doesn’t speak Urdu, its not like English Jhaarna but, there is a reason to it. He was an Indian cricket player from Hyderabad who played for Ranji Trophy matches and then he migrated to Pakistan as a matured adult and played for Pakistan and made a name for himself and the country. His Urdu is not like ours, its more Hyderabadi which he has not been able to change the accent or the style. So, when he speaks people laugh at him and to avoid embarrassment he speaks English.

    It is just like these days kids growing up in the UK and North America can only speak a little bit of Urdu or Punjabi and they are fluent in English. Their Urdu is so pathetic that they don’t know the gender difference – Maonuss and Muzakkar (feminine / Masculine) confusion (the same confusion that Pathans have while speaking Urdu because in Pashtu there is no Maonuss / Muzakkar).


    As far as I know about Asif Iqbal, he was Abdul Rahman Bukhatir’s right hand man and he did a lot of good work for cricket with Bukhatir. It is unfortunate that there were bookies and betting at that time in Sharjah but, I never heard his name being taken to fix matches. The bookies were reportedly involved with the players directly. One, to keep secret, two to avoid paying commission to the middle man.

    The amount of good work Bukhatir did for cricket, I don’t think there is anyone else in the world who has done so much for the India Pakistan players in the CBFS, (Cricketers Benefit Fund Series) Hanif Mohammad, Fazal Mahmood, Mushtaq Mohammad, Mankad and a few other Indian former players were all awarded cash prizes and minimum was US$25,000 which is a lot of money at that time for those neglected players, who were once our heroes. And, Asif Iqbal was the administrator, manager, director, organizer whatever you may call him and he worked pretty hard in getting the whole world of cricket players play in Sharjah. Even today, Sharjah is the place where most ODI’s have taken place. It is very easy to pinpoint fingers at Bukhatir and Asif Iqbal. Whereas, the culprits have made a lot of money and are still making in India, hint, hint????

  58. #58 by Awas on August 26, 2009 - 9:27 PM


    As I said: “I would rather have an open mind about him than be judgemental”.

    ICC may have done some homework on him, so we may never know what the reality is.

  59. #59 by Mohammed Munir on August 27, 2009 - 8:36 AM


    The Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said, “When the month of Ramadan comes, the gates of mercy are opened, and gates of Hell are locked and devils are chained”. (Muslim Book 6, No. 2361)

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 27, 2009 - 8:38 AM

    Devils or Devil?

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 27, 2009 - 8:59 AM

    Iblees or Shaitan or, Satan is generally referred to as Devil.

    There is a general misconception among people that Iblees was once an Angel (Farishta) NO he was NOT, not even for a moment. He was one of the Jinns, and he openly disobeyed Allah.

    The fact that Iblees is not one of the Angels means that he is not compelled to obey Allah. He has freedom of will just as we humans do. Allah says in Quran:

    “Verily, We showed him the way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful,” Surah Al-Insaan 76:3

    And, even among the Jinns there are believers and disbelievers refer Al-Quran 72: 1-2 also 13-14 which is quoted below.

    “And indeed when we heard the Guidance (this Qur’aan), we believed therein (Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in the punishment for his sins. And of us some are Muslims (who have submitted to Allah, after listening to this Qur’aan), and of us some are Al‑Qaasitoon (disbelievers – those who have deviated from the Right Path)” Surah Al-Jinn 72:13-14

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 27, 2009 - 9:16 AM

    Allama Iqbal, wrote a poem called INKAAR-E-IBLEES

    Following is the translation in English and it is an interesting read, please do.

    I am born of light and cannot afford the stupidity to bow before Adam who is born of clay and dust, while my origin is in fire.

    The fire that burns in me warms the blood, rushing through the arteries of this universe. I race, and there are born the winds of destruction; with my roar are born the deafening thunders.

    The integration of atoms and the infusion of the four elements are catalyzed by me. Thereafter I make a new recipe from them, baked by my fire.

    I grind my workpiece to dust and from the same old material shape a new structure.

    Everything in this universe spins endlessly due to my waves. I provide thermal energy to the elements, to shape a new art decorated with the incandescent variety of the stars.

    You created the stars; I order them to march. I stir the worldly life; I am the secret of life.

    You infuse life in the body; I infuse a spirit of struggle. You disposes man of the rest; I guide him with heated agility.

    I don’t count the weaklings who beg bowing before me a sign of my superiority. I am a dictator who can do without hell, and can adjudicate between good and evil without a Day of Reckoning.

    This man born of dust is mean and ignorant of his surroundings. He is your creature but he will have to face me throughout his life.

    Dr. Mohammad Iqbal

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 27, 2009 - 9:19 AM

    With reference to Dr. Iqbal’s poem Inkaar-e-Iblees, as a teenager, I remembered reading a poem in English which is similar to the one above and, starting like this:

    You made the dust
    I made the cup
    You made the rock
    I made the mirror……… it goes on, I don’t remember the rest of it.

    IF anyone knows or finds it please forward it to me or write it here on the blog. Thanks.

  64. #64 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 12:41 PM

    “Pakistan can win Champs Trophy”

    Pakistan is capable of winning the Champs Trophy but they would have to play as a team, feels former skipper Javed Miandad.

    “The problem with the Pakistan team has always been that they tend to play as individuals but whenever they combine and play as a team they can beat any side in the world or win any major event in the world,” Miandad said in an interview on Wednesday.

    The former national team coach said the twenty20 World Cup triumph this year showed that Pakistan is capable of beating anyone when they played as a unit.

    “We have god gifted talent in Pakistan”

    “If we can play with the same spirit and coordination that we showed in the T20 World Cup there is no reason why we can’t repeat the same success in the Champions Trophy,” said Miandad, who is now director cricket in the Pakistan Cricket Board.

    Miandad, who is also batting consultant for the national and junior teams, said that he always rated Pakistan among the top three teams of the world in any era.

    “We have god gifted talent in the country and we have some immensely talented performers. The only thing is that they click when they play as a team and not as individuals,” he added.

    Miandad said the Champions Trophy is a tough competition since only the top eight teams take part in it.

    “But we have an excellent pace attack and some good spinners and if the batsmen back them we can win this Champions Trophy,” he said.

    “We need to improve our domestic structure”

    Miandad, who was a member of Pakistan’s 1992 World Cup winning team, said if the board asked him to accompany the team to South Africa for the Champions Trophy as batting consultant he would definitely go.

    “But it is the decision of the board what they decide. If my task is to work with the players only in the training camp at home then I will do my best to help the players and pass on my experience to them,” he added.

    Miandad said that he was working hard on introducing a more competitive and solid domestic structure in the country.

    “Because once your basic is strong and competitive you will always produce players with the capability of performing at the international level. We need to improve our domestic structure,” he said.

    Miandad felt it would be an open tournament as teams like Pakistan, India, Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka were all good one-day outfits and capable of defeating each other.

    “I don’t think any one team has a big edge over other sides in this Champions Trophy. Specially after India’s poor show in the T20 World Cup and Australia’s recent Ashes series loss. It is going to be a very open tournament,” he said.

  65. #65 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 12:44 PM

    Afghanistan clinch maiden first-class win
    Four months after securing ODI status, Afghanistan celebrated their maiden first-class victory over the Netherlands.

    Afghanistan won by just one-wicket.

  66. #66 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 12:45 PM

    Talibans must have been praying.

  67. #67 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 12:50 PM

    PCA says Yuvraj’s claims “ill-founded”

    The PCA termed Yuvraj Singh’s outbursts regarding discrimination in the selection at junior level as “ill-founded”.

    The Punjab Cricket Association also said the process was “foolproof” and 100 per cent done on merit.

    “I think what he has said is ill-founded. Yuvraj is a product of junior cricket and has all along been associated with PCA. He has played so many matches at the junior level,” BCCI treasurer and PCA secretary, MP Pandove told PTI.

    Pandove said the PCA’s selection process at all levels is 100 per cent done on merit.

    “Our selection system is totally foolproof. There is no discrimination at junior or senior level,” Pandove said.

    He said the PCA’s “fair selection” had also been proved by the performance of Punjab teams in various tournaments over the past many years.

    In a Birla Sunlife programme in Bangalore, Yuvraj on Thursday supported Virender Sehwag in his revolt against DDCA and said there were instances in his life were he was not picked despite performance.

    Sehwag has raised a voice and everybody is with him. There were instances where I performed but was not picked. Such unfair practices hurt the careers of young cricketers and shatter their dreams.

    “So I think the selection should be done keeping these things in contention,” he said.

  68. #68 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 12:52 PM

    So, these are not just Pakistan specific problems.

  69. #69 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 3:07 PM

    ECB scraps 50-over format

    The ECB scrapped the 50-over format from its domestic cricket calender for the 2010 season.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board claimed that ICC will review the future of ODIs after the 2011 World Cup.

    The revised domestic structure, finalised after a 12-month detailed discussion with the first-class counties, now comprise four-day matches, enhanced Twenty20 competitions and 40-over leagues, which would be played only on Sundays.

    The first-class counties voted 13-5 to adopt a revised domestic structure.

    “The board acknowledged that the members of the International Cricket Council will themselves be reviewing the future of 50-over cricket after the 2011 World Cup

  70. #70 by khansahab on August 27, 2009 - 4:11 PM

    Explayer advocates changes in Team before WC 2011

    ISLAMABAD, Aug 27 (APP): Former Test star Sarfraz Nawaz Thursday observed that Shahid Afridi should be the right choice for leading the Pakistan team during the Cricket World Cup 2011. Sarfraz Nawaz also suggested opening batsman Salman Butt as deputy to Shahid Afridi for the World Cup 2011 and called for sacking at least two senior players for that prestigious event. “Seasoned batsmen Muhammad Yousuf and Misbahul Haq are already 36 each and I am afraid they would be too old in two years from now”, Sarfraz said in an exclusive chat with APP.

    He reasoned that Younis Khan was prone to an occasional batting slump. On the other hand, he said, Shahid Afridi had shown himself to be a shrewd captain when he led the team in the Twenty20 match against Sri Lanka.

    It may be mentioned that Shahid Afridi has been named deputy to Younis Khan for the next month’s Champions Trophy while Salman Butt was ignored by selectors for that competition.

    Chief selector Iqbal Qasim or skipper Younis Khan were not immediately available to comment on Sarfraz Nawaz’s suggestions for changes in the team for the World Cup 2011.

    Sarfraz again mentioned the names of Indian bookies Prem Naranjan and Mukesh Khocher, who he said, were present in Sri Lanka during the Pakistan team’s tour of that country.

    The Anti Corruption Unit of International Cricket Council has already cleared the Pakistani players of any match‑fixing during the Sri Lanka tour.

    Nevertheless, Sarfraz said Younis Khan should disclose the identity, or “physical appearance or features” of the bookies who allegedly attempted to see the players.

    Manager Yawar Saeed, he said, should explain to the general public in Pakistan as to the need to change the hotel floors of the players during their stay in Sri Lanka.

    Misbah I can understand, but why should Yousuf retire?

    And why make Salman Butt the VC? Butt was dropped on the basis of poor performance so why must he be made VC?

  71. #71 by khansahab on August 27, 2009 - 4:15 PM

    Miandad said Pakistan can win the WC and Inti Alam has also said today that Pakistan WILL win the CT.

    I think these are really big claims. How can Pakistan win the CT with batsmen who can’t play on fast pitches like Malik and Misbah?

    And Asaf is coming back after a long time, Aamer is young and inexperienced whereas Gul will probably do well on SA pitches.

  72. #72 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 4:39 PM


    What about spinners? Afridi and Jammal. How would they perform?

    I think the problem would be batting as always, not bowling.

    Sarfraz Nawaz, also known as Ghora has whined again…LOL.

  73. #73 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 4:45 PM

    “Younis has good leadership qualities”

    PCB Chairman Ejaz Butt has made it clear that he has full confidence in the leadership abilities of Younis Khan.

    Butt said today that if the team performed well in the Champions Trophy there was every likelihood of Younis Khan being given the captaincy on a long-term basis.

    “These rumours about the board having lost confidence in Younis Khan’s captaincy is rubbish,” he said.

    Younis said recently in an interview that he was fed up with elements trying to start a vilification campaign against him to strip him of the captaincy.

    “I have never run after the captaincy. But I will unmask these people who are trying to create differences between me and the other players and create discord in the team,” Younis said.

    There have been rumours that the decision by Butt to appoint Shahid Afridi as vice-captain to Younis was taken as the all-rounder would eventually be made captain.

    But Butt made it clear that the only reason Afridi was given the vice-captaincy was to allow him to gain valuable experience before the T20 World Cup next year.

    “He is already the T20 team captain so we wanted him to gain some experience as deputy to Younis,” Butt explained.

    It’s not fair to pick and chose on Sarfraz Nawaz’ choices and only agree on Afridi as captain. It should be all or nothing 🙂

  74. #74 by khansahab on August 27, 2009 - 6:33 PM


    In theory South African pitches seem to favour pace only. It depends how the weather is and what kind of “a grass” is on the pitch. I think Afridi and Ajmal may have some impact, since both are decent at ODI level. They will probably be unable to display match winning performances though.

    LOL, Waqar Younis said earlier in this year in UAE in his pitch report,

    “I tell you…… remember the mud bowls of a Sharjah a few years ago………buttaa……..this today’s pitch has a grass on it!!”

  75. #75 by khansahab on August 27, 2009 - 6:56 PM

    Younis Khan’s magnificent century at Southampton, England.

    Majestic batting, hitting good balls for 4 all around the park. After him no great Test batsman has played for Pakistan. Fawad Alam has potential to play well under pressure, but he needs to learn a lot.

    Inzamam, Yousuf and then Younis. Pakistan persisted with nothing Shoaib Malik, a plan which proved to be a disaster. For whatever reason the very talented Misbah looks clueless on seaming tracks and plays very selfishly.

    Asim Kamal had the potential to be a very good batsman, and after that Fawad Alam definitely has the temperament. He just needs to keep trying and refining his technique a bit. Pakistan should not ruin Alam’s career like it ruined Kamal’s career.

  76. #76 by Pawan on August 27, 2009 - 7:14 PM

    Javed and Khansahab

    I don’t think that Wasim Akram is doing any “unpatriotic” thing by coaching Indian players instead of Pakistani players. What’s wrong in that? Is he sharing any of the top secrets of the nation which will in any way make him a traitor or a spy? I don’t think so. All he is doing is simply giving some bowling tips. Pure and harmless according to me. Yes, he is earning money that way. That is none of our business. Does anyone question us how we earn money? People earn money by several different ways. As a matter of fact, Akram is least bothered by our opinion of what we think how he earns money to feed his kids. Everyone has needs and is entitled to live life their own way.

    I won’t even call it being a gaddar towards his own profession. If Lawson can coach Pakistan, why can’t Akram coach a player of some other nation? If tomorrow Sunil Gavaskar goes to Pakistan and starts giving batting tips, I would not mind it. Rather I would be least bothered what he does. Take example of Saqlain Mushtaq, my favorite bowler of our generation. He is coaching NZ team. Is he also unpatriotic? Are we also going to be bothered about it? Are we really? No. A flat no. Who cares?

    I personally think that people from both the countries, India and Pakistan, needs to grow up and accept it that they are two different countries, plain and and simple. Accepting is a big thing in life. If one acknowledges, ki nahi yaar, mere ko ismey problem hai only then he or she can go ahead and try to solve it. I think India as the current India and Pakistan as the current Pakistan are not comfortable in their own existence. They want more may be. They have to accept and agree that this is the final India or Pakistan. At least be professional towards each other. Differences kismey nahi hotey boss? Even bhai bhai have problems. But the only way to move forward is to show control over your emotions and accept and respect the existence of own self and the other. Like a negative thought can trigger a chain of negative thoughts, even one positive deed can bring abundance of positive outlook among the young and impressionable minds of this world. Whatever I have said is not in response to anyone, neither I am implying anything over here to anyone. Just want to make clear that I am no angel. I also have bouts of emotions, but I have desire to control them and am learning to and enjoying it. I do not want to hurt any of the blogger over here. My intentions are not to lecture anyone or reform anyone. Everyone has the right to live life their own way and I have no problems with it. These are simply my personal opinions. We come into this world for an average of 60 years and in that if we keep fighting then when will we live and let others live? Life is too short to fight.

  77. #77 by khansahab on August 27, 2009 - 7:49 PM


    I said before you are a good guy and I respect your opinions.

    I have no personal enmity towards India or anyone else. However, in Wasim Akram’s case, I would like to make an exception. Intikhab Alam also coached Indian Punjab but I never protested against that.

    My problem with Wasim Akram is that, he appears a bit too greedy. He has lived in India for a long time now and was desperate to get some kind of coaching contract. Whenever he came to Pakistan he was offered a coaching role but he always made excuses. Now why would he do that? Like you are openly admitting that people can work in other countries for more money and a better standard of living. The difference is that you are admitting it, whereas Wasim does not. So that is my problem. He gets so many offers in Pakistan and he should just admit this, and say that, “Sorry but I want more money”. But he won’t because people will consider him unpatriotic and greedy.

    Saqlain Mushtaq has only joined the NZ team now. Wasim has been begging for a coaching role for a LONG time, even before this blog came into existence.

    Pakistan desperately needs the services of Wasim and Waqar. You have seen how long Aaqib Javed has been associated with coaching in Pakistan but his input has not proved very fruitful. He meant to help Gul overcome his injury problems but in fact he has made Gul more injury prone.

    You mentioned the point about Lawson but due to the language barrier, any foreign coach will struggle to produce good results in Pakistan. People think Woolmer did a lot of good for the team and he might have helped, but it’s an exception. Plus, Woolmer was kind of lucky that in his time Inzamam reached his peak, Younis Khan was unearthed and Yousuf developed quite remarkably. It was probably a natural progression rather than a result of good coaching.

    Wasim and Waqar as full time coaches can make a huge difference because they have played all over the world. But, one is too greedy and the other cannot get a contract on his terms.

    If you think about it, Venkatesh Prasad can also probably get a decent coaching role in England or Australia, if he starts advertising his services like Wasim started doing. Prasad was a bowler of some repute although not as much as Wasim and Waqar. But, he coached India and look at how wonderful his input has been.

  78. #78 by khansahab on August 27, 2009 - 8:34 PM

    Bees attack Younis, left with swollen face

    Karachi , Aug 27 Pakistan captain Younis Khan was today forced to skip a pre-scheduled media discussion session in the city after being bitten by an erst of honey bees outside his home.

    The freak accident took place early this morning when the cricketer was taking his car out of the garage as the honey bees attacked him leaving his face swollen in just a few minutes.
    “My face is swollen. So I cant speak freely. Because of this incident I also reached late for a local match which I had to miss today,” Younis said later.
    Younis did, however, manage to show up for a Iftaar (fast breaking) party at the Karachi Press Club which was arranged in his honour.
    “I should be okay in a couple of days. I dont think this incident will have any effect on my preparation for the coming Champions Trophy,”he said.

  79. #79 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 8:42 PM


    Very convincing and thoughtful arguments and I agree with you totally. I wish more people think like you on both sides of the border.


    “He gets so many offers in Pakistan…”

    That is not quite true. Perhaps you didn’t read second part of my comment 48.

    Besides, one man’s greed for money is another man’s success. It’s a difficult one to argue. Otherwise, all multi-millionaires would be branded greedy.

  80. #80 by khansahab on August 27, 2009 - 8:53 PM


    I have actually seen many interviews of Akram myself where he is admitting to receiving many coaching offers in Pakistan, but he always gave this excuse that he does not have the “patience” to be a coach and he is averse to extensive travelling that the role requires (and he doesn’t mind travelling within India it seems which is 3 times the size of Pakistan).

    Recently Dr Mohammad Ali Shah, of PCB’s Sindh Governing Board gave a statement that he asked Akram to become the coach of Pakistan team, but Akram denied and said that he will hold a day’s free consultation session with bowlers, but will not coach the team.

    Also, it doesn’t matter what evils Akram has committed in the past. If the PCB feels he is good enough or if he has some clout, he can get a job without any issues. Salim Malik was given a high grade job at the National Cricket Academy recently whereas Malik has been disgraced to no end. Shoaib Akhtar fools people in daylight but he keeps getting persisted with. Asif was let off only for a year because of his clout and sources in the government- many argued he should have received a career ban after he tested positive the second time round for drugs.

  81. #81 by Awas on August 27, 2009 - 10:13 PM


    According to my recollection from what I have heard Wasim Akram say a couple of times on TV is that if PCB offer him a coaching job he would take it but he said they don’t and the reason as far as I know is ICC. ECB were going to offer Mushy a bowling coaching job but after ICC’s objection they changed their mind.

    When it comes to coaching national team, that’s where ICC interferes not for other jobs.

  82. #82 by Awas on August 28, 2009 - 7:40 AM

    Hodge alleges bias towards NSW players

    Victoria’s Hodge, who was not part of Ashes squad and also does not figure in the one-day squad for upcoming series, said it was a bias toward NSW players that he has always been ignored despite putting up a consistent good show.

    The out-of-favour batsman alleged that bias could be felt in the Australian dressing room as well.

    “I guess every time that I was on tour I was a threat to someone else from a different state,” Hodge was reported as telling sports radio SEN.

    “I was looking to take someone else’s spot. So they had allies and friends in that particular squad. ”
    So, again not something that only happens in Pakistan.

  83. #83 by Awas on August 28, 2009 - 12:47 PM

    COLOMBO: Pakistan A were beaten in the fifth and the final one-dayer by Sri Lanka A, who won the match by three wickets to take the series 3-2 here on Friday.

    Winning the toss, Pakistan A opted for batting first but they were bundled out for a mere total of 112 runs in 35 overs.

    Only opener Umar Amin provided some resistance, scoring 31 runs.

    In reply, Sri Lanka A achieved the target for the loss of seven wickets in 22.1 overs.

    For Pakistan A, left-arm spinner Abdul Rehman claimed three wickets while seamer Mohammad Talha captured two wickets.

  84. #84 by Awas on August 28, 2009 - 12:53 PM

    LONDON: President Asif Ali Zardari is currently in meeting with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown at 10 Downing Street on Friday with the ongoing war in Afghanistan likely to be at the top of the agenda.

    Earlier, when President Zardari arrived at Downing Street, he was received by the British premier.

    Britain and the Nato coalition in Afghanistan are looking for greater assistance from Pakistan in securing the border regions between the two countries.

    Zardari’s daughter Asifa, Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik and Pakistan’s envoy in UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan are present in the meeting.
    Why is she present in the meeting in official state affairs and how old is she?

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  86. #86 by khansahab on August 28, 2009 - 5:21 PM


    Have you seen Bilawal Zardari’s pictures next to President Obama, when his father went to meet Obama?

    I don’t know why these MF’s are hellbent on ruling and ruining the country.

  87. #87 by khansahab on August 28, 2009 - 7:46 PM

    Butt in trouble over pitch laying promise

    PTI 28 August 2009, 08:19pm IST

    KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ejaz Butt has run into fresh trouble after the Sports Ministry sought a clarification from the
    board for failing to keep it’s promise to lay international standard turf pitches in a renowned school in Colombo.

    During a goodwill visit to the island nation after the terrorist attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore, Butt promised Sri Lankan Foreign Minister Rohitha Bogollagama to help in laying pitches at the school ground.

    He, however, failed to keep his promise till date which irked the chairman of Pakistan’s Standing Committee on Sports Jamshed Khan Dasti, who vowed to take up the issue with President Asif Ali Zardari, the chief patron of the PCB.

    “Butt had promised the Sri Lankan Foreign Minister that PCB would develop and lay three turf pitches in a famous educational institution of Colombo, which is some 135 years old,” Dasti said.

    He said because of Butt’s failure to follow up on the issue, Pakistan’s High Commissioner in Sri Lanka had written a letter to the Foreign Ministry, asking it to remind the PCB chairman about his promise.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan Sports Minister Aftab Shah Jillani said the government was taking the matter very seriously.

    “We have conveyed the concerns to the PCB and asked them to notify us about the latest development regarding the commitment made by it to the Sri Lankan Foreign Minister,” Jillani said.

  88. #88 by Awas on August 28, 2009 - 8:59 PM


    The question is why should the children be there when they are discussing official state affairs. They don’t even have a position of “government advisers”. It’s a big joke. it seems that Pakistan for them is a family fiefdom.

  89. #89 by Awas on August 28, 2009 - 9:03 PM


    It seems to me that SL is more qualified to lay pitches in Pakistan than the other way round as its SL who got the results to their liking against Pakistan 🙂

  90. #90 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 8:56 AM

    Today Intikhab Alam gave a statement that India or South Africa will win the CT.

    A few days ago he said Pakistan will win the CT.

    This proves he is not mentally sound to continue with the job of Pakistan team coach. He must be sacked.

  91. #91 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 8:59 AM

    ODI’s may die a ‘premature death’ with 2011 World Cup : Zaheer Abbas

    LAHORE – Expressing concerns over the increasing success and people’s overwhelming response to the Twenty20 format of the game, former Pakistan captain Zaheer Abbas has said that 50 over one-day international games might a ‘premature death’ in days to come.

    Criticizing different cricket boards for extensively promoting the bang-bang version of the game, Abbas said : “If such trends continue, one day cricket will die in two year’s time.”

    “If powerful boards like India, Australia and South Africa push for more Twenty20 cricket, I fear it might be the end of ODIs in the next two years,” he added.

    Abbas feared that the 2011 World Cup might see the end of the 50-overs format of the game.

    “I remain a traditionalist at heart and I don’t like what I see. I fear for the future of one-day internationals. The 2011 World Cup might well be the last time we see 50-over matches being played anywhere,” The Daily Times quoted Abbas, as saying.

    Players like former Australian leg-spinner Shane Warne are in favour of scrapping the one-day format.

    Warne has asked the International Cricket Council (ICC) to do away with one-day cricket to save the Test format, which is also being threatened by T20’s popularity.

    With the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) deciding to drop the 50-overs format from its 2010 domestic calendar, it’s not all well for the once most liked One-day cricket. (ANI)

  92. #92 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 9:05 AM


    Nawaz Sharif’s party has threatened to go on a Long March if Musharraf is not “fixed”. They will again to what they did on the streets of Punjab when they wanted to restore Choudhary CJ, restore Sharif brothers and oust Musharraf from the Presidency.

  93. #93 by Awas on August 29, 2009 - 9:44 AM

    “India, Oz biggest threat to Pak”
    Coach Intikhab Alam admitted that India and Australia are going to be the biggest threats for Pakistan in the CT.

    “I would not like to make any claim or prediction because there is nothing much to separate the eight teams taking part in the tournament (Champions Trophy),” Alam said.

    “I can say this much we are perfectly capable of winning the title like we did the Twenty20 World Cup in England. But our first priority should simply be to focus on winning group matches and qualifying for the semi-final,” he said.

    Alam, who is also a former cricketer, pointed out that Pakistan has been handed a tough pool in the eight-nation tournament commencing in South Africa from September 22.

    “India has a dangerous ODI side with a winning mentality and they have quality players as well. Australia is the world champion, but yes, losing the Ashes would surely have some impact on them during the tournament,” he said.

    Alam feels that Champions Trophy would be a difficult task for the Pakistan cricketers as well.

    “They (supporters) always have too much expectations from the team and people tend to forget that other teams are also playing to win. But only what I can say is if we play to our full potential and have some luck, we are capable of winning the tournament,” he said.

    Alam felt that current squad was a balanced and strong one and the youngsters like Fawad Alam, Muhammad Aamer, Umar Akmal have to handle responsibilities to make the team play quality cricket.

    He also defended the inclusion of pace bowler Muhammad Asif into the squad saying, “Critics who were saying his selection was premature after his 16 month lay-off from the sport, forgot he had a splendid record in South Africa.

    “I think Asif’s selection is perfect for the conditions in South Africa and he has always performed well there. His performance and form would be a key for us in the tournament.”

    He also caste aside the speculation that there is any row between skipper Younis Khan and him.

    “There are some people spreading such rumours and trying to create discord in the team. I have good working relationship with Younis and we get along well. We understand each other’s style of working and in the end we both want the team to do well. So where is the problem?” he asked.

    Alam also pointed out that the Pakistan Cricket Board had clearly defined the areas of jurisdiction for the captain and coach. “So there is no reason for us to clash or have any differences,” he said.

    “Pakistani players would attend a 10-day conditioning camp from September 1-10 to prepare for the Champions Trophy and there would be no exception for anyone because of the month of fasting,” Alam added.
    Here is a full statement of Inti Alam. A bit different to what you had said.

  94. #94 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 10:20 AM


    The following is the headline for this news on NDTV India’s website:

    “India, Australia biggest threat in Champions Trophy: Pak coach”

    There is no mention of being a threat to Pakistan, in that headline.

    I just read the headline and didn’t bother reading the whole article because Inti Alam is full of BS.

  95. #95 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 10:31 AM

    The future belongs to Jinnah

    Yasser Latif Hamdani

    Jaswant Singh’s 670-page book on Pakistan’s founding father, Mohammad Ali Jinnah, has reignited the debate on Partition. From an academic point of view, however, he doesn’t seem to have said anything out of the ordinary. Much of this was first stated by Maulana Azad in his “India Wins Freedom”. In the intervening years between Azad and Jaswant Singh, several perceptive historians and authors, many from India, also presented a similar view of history, chief amongst them H M Seervai with his classic “Partition of India: Legend and Reality”. However, there is a new angle in Singh’s biography that is as much an indication of where things are moving in India as much as it is a historical context.

    Not long ago I wrote a piece called “Jinnah’s India” which none of the websites and newspapers I wrote for then published. In that piece I argued that India today with its rising middle-class, secular constitution and a strong capitalist economy was Jinnah’s India not Gandhi’s or Nehru’s, whether Indians cared to admit as much or not. My argument was not a novel one though it seemed so to those who rejected it. Karan Thapar had written as much in an article back in the beginning of this decade. It wasn’t a surprise then that Thapar was the first one to interview Jaswant Singh after his book was released. My feeling is that India – with its economic gains and a confident new middle-class — is looking for an alternative founding father and more appropriately the founding father it lost. In the 1930s and the 1940s, the Hindu bourgeoisie was not nearly as mature – though much more so than its Muslim counterpart — to look up to a successful and secular barrister from the minority community as its leader. Things are different today though. The new middle-class in India finds itself alienated from its heroes – if only subconsciously.

    Gandhi just doesn’t cut it – his rejection of materialism, his village philosophy, his glorification of poverty and his idealisation of ancient Hindu society, things that made him so popular in his time are exactly what are alienating him from this class. He can be revered but never emulated. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, though secular, has two major drawbacks: he was born to considerable wealth and he was a socialist. For many Nehru represents – despite his secularism and role as a global statesman — the wrong kind of politician, a politician who has never had to work a day and therefore holds those who do work for a living in contempt. The ironman, Sardar Patel, has been played up as an alternative but he has been appropriated by the Hindu nationalist crowd and the havoc Hindu nationalists wreak on not only minorities but most things western (for example, their opposition to Valentine’s Day) automatically distances this new class from Patel. Maulana Azad couldn’t possibly be an idol for this class because he was from the clerical Muslim class and represents in the Indian mind all the stereotypes associated with a Muslim.

    Jinnah stands in contrast to all of the traditional founders of India. He was from the middle-class and was entirely self-made. Through sheer hard work and some luck he reached the top of his game both as a lawyer and a politician. Though a Muslim, he was entirely westernised – perhaps more modern in every sense of the word than most Indians and Pakistanis even today — and knew the ways of the world. He carved out his space in cosmopolitan Bombay through his own efforts and this is something that most in the Indian bourgeoisie have always admired about him even if they disagreed with his post-1937 politics. He was part of the Congress when Gandhi was still in South Africa and when Nehru was in boarding school in England. His legislative contributions to India are second to none. He might well have been the founding father of an independent India — as Sarojini Naidu had predicted — had Gandhi not arrived on the scene and pulled the rug from under him. Jinnah’s support for Bhagat Singh is also increasingly underlined. The latter is seen — despite his Marxism — as an icon of a new Indian youth. Now free men and finally successful, the Indian middle-class is doing what free men are known to do – questioning officially sanctioned views of history. It is to this class that Jaswant Singh has spoken.

    This also indicates an internal struggle within the Bharatiya Janata Party. The BJP has been successful in the past by bringing together the various anti-Congress elements in India. The party itself has two or more distinct groups — one of which is led by the RSS-inspired Hindutvist ideologues. Their vision of the BJP is that of a party of the Hindu right and this is the wing that champions crazies like Varun Gandhi – ironically a great grandson of Jawaharlal Nehru. The other group consists of those like Jaswant Singh who realise that for the BJP to remain relevant it needs to become a party of the centre or the centre-right. They have correctly analysed that in the 21st-century India it needs to pose an alternative to the Congress that is secular and business-friendly. It is they who want to re-package Pakistan’s founding father – hitherto abused, demonised and denigrated as a communal — as a secular founding-father of India who was lost to bad policies. This is a prospect that needs to be welcomed by all. India is too big a country to have one or two visions alone. That it is now welcoming back into its fold its prodigal son and one of its most successful patriots can mean good things for the future.

    But where does it leave us Pakistanis? After all Jinnah of Pakistan did happen. And he did create our country. It certainly can’t be that we agree with Jaswant Singh’s biography and yet hold on to our bankrupt conception of Pakistan and Nazaria-e-Pakistan based on some undefined ‘ideology’ which our lawmakers take oath on. It is now time to dismantle the lies and build Pakistan on Jinnah’s vision. It would require taking back the ground given to those opponents of Jinnah, the maulanas and the ulema of South Asian Islam. The good news is that here too we have a bourgeoisie that is increasingly dictated by the global world and the more they realise the dividend that peace and modernity holds, the more they will underscore the vision given by Mohammad Ali Jinnah on August 11, 1947, and in several other speeches of a Pakistan that is inclusive, tolerant, secular and at peace within and without. There is no other way and the future belongs to Jinnah.

  96. #96 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 12:28 PM


    Very sound analysis and I am agree. However, I think if Australia get a fast and bouncy pitch they might be able to beat India and SL because they have the bowlers to do that. Plus, if you think about batting, it’s a safe bet to say Australia is a better batting side then SL. Jayasuria and Jayawardene are consistent, but make too many 30s and 40s. Sangakarra is their best ODI batsman. Australia has two of the finest batsmen- Ponting and Clarke and now it’s up to their bowlers to support the batsmen. Ponting averages 50 in SA but Clarke only averages 27, although he has only played 10 matches there.

    You know the worst thing from Pakistan’s aspect is that if the team goes with its “best XI” featuring both Misbah and Malik, they are likely to score against a 2nd string West Indian attack (you might be aware that the recognised West Indian players have withdrawn because of some strike). So based on that Malik and Misbah will play against India and Australia.

  97. #97 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 1:28 PM


    Very true. Mediocrity does not become apparent from averages only- circumstances should also be taken into account. Jayawerdene averages less than Malik, but Jayawardene has done all those things Malik is unable to- play on the most difficult tracks, score runs against everyone, play orthodox, delightful shots and then play some excellent Test innings.

    Misbah is also mediocre, got his lucky break by scoring a few not outs which has inflated his average but otherwise he is not talented enough to be in the national team.

  98. #98 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 3:43 PM


    I don’t know if you have heard about this game called, “International Cricket Captain 2009”? It’s a cricket simulation game, unlike Brian Lara Cricket, where you can actually control what shots batsmen play and the line and length of bowlers etc.

    In International Cricket Captain 2009, your captaincy skills are assessed, you have to select a squad from hundreds of first class players and then look at the pitch, change the field settings etc. However you can’t control HOW a player plays- you can’t control batting, bowling or fielding.

    I have played over 75 Test matches so far (most of which Pakistan loses) but this is the best combination that I have managed:

    Ahmed Shahzad
    Fawad Alam
    Younis Khan
    Mohammad Yousuf
    Misbah ul Haq
    Shahid Afridi
    Kamran Akmal
    Umer Gul
    Shoaib Akhtar
    Saeed Ajmal
    Mohd Asif

    When the pitch is more seaming friendly, I swap Razzaq, Aamer or Mohd Talha with Saeed Ajmal. For some reason Sohail Khan is crap in this sim, goes for plenty of runs.

    Strangely these are my observations from the way they have programmed this sim. I don’t know how they managed to do this, but here goes:

    1) Ahmed Shahzad is the most consistent amongst Nasir Jamshed, Salman Butt and Khurram Manzoor.

    2) Fawad Alam is the most consistent batsman.

    3) Younis and Fawad are the best batsmen, not only in terms of how many runs they score, but also in terms of playing on most difficult pitches, playing under pressure, playing in crucial games etc.

    4) Yousuf is not as good in this sim, as in real life.

    5) Misbah has only made centuries in 1 or 2 series, otherwise only makes 30s and gets out- but makes them very consistently.

    6) Afridi is a very good bowler, always takes 2 or 3 wickets in every innings, although he is not a good batsman.

    7) Shoaib Malik is a nothing player, can’t bat well and can’t bowl well. I played a few Tests with him but now I don’t even select him in my squad of 18.

    This game came out earlier this year, I think even before Fawad made 168 and Shahzad was given a chance at international cricket. If they programmed this according to domestic performance, it doesn’t make sense because Misbah has a better domestic record than say, Shahzad or even Younis. Plus, Shahzad scores more than Nasir Jamshed and Butt, both of whom have better records than him.

    It’s quite freaky, and kind of fun too, because it’s similar to real life.

  99. #99 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 8:31 PM

    Lessons from the MQM

    Gulf News

    Pakistan’s politics are capable of throwing up a major surprise at any given time. But the surprise sprung in the past week was truly extraordinary.

    It relates to the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), a political party based largely out of Karachi, the southern port city. For years, the MQM has been suspected of wanting to carve out a new country for its followers to be known as ‘Jinnahpur’ or the land of Jinnah, named after Pakistan’s founding father, Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

    This allegation came to light in 1992, when the government at the time ordered a large-scale paramilitary crackdown, principally to break the MQM’s back after months of violence in Karachi. Ahead of that operation, senior security officials showed journalists maps that were claimed to depict the proposed boundaries of ‘Jinnahpur’.

    However, it now seems that the ‘Jinnahpur’ conspiracy was no more than a figment of the imaginations of key security officials. Lieutenant General (retired) Naseer Akhtar, a former army commander, and Brigadier (retired) Imtiaz Ahmad, former head of Pakistan’s intelligence bureau, have both come forward to claim that the evidence against the MQM was fabricated.

    The two officials, both in positions of influence in 1992 to know exactly what went on behind the scenes, claim the ‘Jinnahpur’ conspiracy linked to the MQM was dreamed up to malign the movement and give the government the excuse it needed to act against it.

    In the short term, the MQM’s leaders – including Altaf Hussain, who is in exile in London – have reason to be ecstatic. It appears that the MQM has been vindicated.

    And yet, clearing the name of this party will not resolve a spate of issues linked to the present and future of Pakistan’s politics.

    For instance, can Pakistanis be absolutely certain that other political groups will not be targeted in the same way the MQM was? Also, can they be sure that the people responsible for the conspiracy are no longer in positions of power?

    Due to the broad nature of politics, there are no immediate answers to these questions. And yet, the future will depend on the extent to which Pakistan’s politicians can steer the country towards a new political order based on values of democracy and the rule of law. Leaders must work to ensure that there is no repeat of the scandal in which the MQM was so unfairly targeted.

    Towards this end, the powers that be must put in place a three-pronged reform process.

    Firstly, the country badly needs to establish a national truth and reconciliation commission that has the full backing of Pakistan’s parliament. Pakistanis who feel they have been wronged by their own state can use the commission as a platform to not only vent their anger but also seek redress. The key to the success of such a commission will be that those who choose to challenge the way relations have evolved between the Pakistani state and its subjects must not be treated as enemies of the state. Instead, people should be free to speak freely without fear of repercussions.

    Secondly, it is imperative that key elements outside the parliament work towards guaranteeing the rights of political parties to dissent without fear of being framed with fictitious evidence of wrongdoing. Towards this end, Pakistan’s fast emerging civil society – which stood on the frontlines of a robust and powerful movement to seek the return of Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhary as chief justice of the supreme court – must also play a wider role to protect the country’s democratic values.

    Finally, in light of the findings from the MQM case, it is imperative that Pakistani civil society agitate for the creation of watchdogs to independently verify future allegations against any political parties.

    The lessons learned from the conspiracy against the MQM should be powerful enough to be remembered for a long time to come as Pakistan seeks to consolidate its young and still fragile democracy.

  100. #100 by khansahab on August 29, 2009 - 9:26 PM

    The above new article informs that a senior leader of Nawaz Sharif’s democratic PML N was involved in the recent slaughter of innocent Christians in Gojra, Punjab.

    Nawaz Sharif said he wanted Pakistan to tread on the path envisioned by Jinnah but it seems he wants to take Pakistan somewhere else. It also proves Punjab’s ruling party hates religious minorities too, not just ethnic minorities.

  101. #101 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 30, 2009 - 4:08 AM

    Ejaz Butt gyrating and Muttkao-ing his big fat ugly Butt after signing the agreement with ICC on forfeiting the 2011 WC matches. He is happy that Pakistan is getting a big chunk of money which will inflate his big fat ugly Butt even more.

    Read the following from Dawn newspaper:

    LAHORE: It seems that except for money, Pakistan gained nothing substantial on the 2011 World Cup matches issue.

    Expressing absolute contentment over the agreement reached with the International Cricket Council (ICC) on the subject, Chairman Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Ijaz Butt on Friday said all cases the board filed against the game’s world governing body over the contentious matter would be withdrawn soon.

    ‘I am 101 per cent satisfied with what we have achieved on the 2011 World Cup matches issue. Though I cannot disclose the exact amount we will get for forfeiting the 14 [World Cup] matches to the other [host] countries, at this moment I can say the amount will be over Rs1 to Rs1.5 billion,’ Ijaz Butt, who arrived from Dubai after signing the agreement with the ICC President David Morgan on the issue, said at a news conference here on Friday.

    Responding to queries on the financial benefits which the PCB will get through the agreement, the chairman said it was not possible, adding the lump sum amount which he had told the media was enough to indicate the extent of the benefit.

    He stated that from day one of the World Cup dispute with the ICC, he received good support from Morgan and president-designate Sharad Pawar.

    While agreeing with a questioner that the security situation in India and Bangladesh were also not exemplary, Ijaz said what could he have done when no country was willing to send its team to Pakistan, especially after the March 3 Lahore incident.

    Saying the PCB would not have any role in physically organising the World Cup matches of its share, the chairman revealed that he had specially incorporated a clause in the agreement, allowing Pakistan to hold some games, if the country’s security situation improves in 2011.

    The chairman also said that all the cases filed against the ICC (regarding the 2011 World Cup) would be withdrawn in the next 15 days. Pakistan was the joint host of the 2011 World Cup along with India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

    However, after the terrorist attack on Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore on March 3, several cricketing-playing countries were not ready to play in Pakistan and the ICC, in a hasty move in April, stripped Pakistan of its World Cup matches.

    Later, the ICC Chief Executive Haroon Lorgat held a meeting of the Central Organising Committee in Mumbai, announcing that eight matches of the Pakistan’s share had been allotted to India, four to Sri Lanka and two to Bangladesh.

    He also announced that the COC secretariat had also been shifted from Lahore to Mumbai.

    ‘After the ICC announced the decision of allotting our [World Cup] matches to other three hosts and shifting the secretariat from Lahore to Mumbai, we had two options: one, to ask the ICC to review its decisions and second to go to the court. We decided for the second,’ Ijaz said.

    He admitted that a foreign lawyer Mark Gay, who helped the PCB defend the case against the ICC, was costly.

    He avoided disclosing the total amount paid to Gay but assured he could inform every detail in his next interaction with the media.

    Gay only served a legal notice to the ICC, threatening the case could be taken to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

    ‘Gay was very expensive that was why I took local lawyer [Taffazul Hussain Rizvi] with me to Dubai to assist me there,’ the chairman said.

    It has been reported that Gay had charged Rs7 million for just serving the legal notice and later advised the PCB to take money from the ICC as compensation as its (PCB’s) case is weak. In fact, Gay was released from the case one month ago.

    However, PCB’s two major demands were: to get the 14 matches back to Pakistan and to have the Secretariat back in Lahore. However, both were not accepted.

    Asked if the PCB had preferred money over cricket, Ijaz said: ‘We preferred cricket, but it is also a fact that without money you can’t play cricket, since it is a very expensive game.’

    ‘We are holding our matches at neutral venues, which is very expensive; so we need money. This money [from the 2011 world event] is enough to meet our expenditures in placing the national team in the ICC Champions Trophy and the 2011 World Cup and sending the Under-19 team for the World Cup,’ he added.

    Ijaz claimed that Pakistan was still a member of the (World Cup) host countries, adding he had appointed Wasim Bari (Director Human Resources), Subhan Ahmad (Senior General Manager International) and himself as three members from Pakistan in the COC, which will meet in India on Sept 2.

    Asked why he had sidelined his Chief Operating Officer Salim Altaf since he is more competent in this field, Ijaz expressed: ‘Your views and mine about any person may be different.’

    The PCB chief avoided giving any concrete response when asked to comment on reports that he would sack Salim as he [Ijaz] had been keeping him away from every major assignment, saying: ‘No comment’.

    AFP adds: Ijaz accused India of vetoing Pakistan’s request of hosting its World Cup matches on neutral venues, notably in the UAE where Pakistan have recently played after teams refused to tour.

    ‘Morgan and Pawar had no problems in Pakistan hosting its matches at neutral venues, but the BCCI refused to accept that,’ he said.

    ‘England hosted some of the matches in Ireland and Scotland during the 1999 World Cup and when the World Cup was held in South Africa in 2003 some of the matches were held in Zimbabwe and Kenya. It could have happened again.’


    This happened because Ejaz Butt is a weak bastard who can only fart and fire his own officials but when he went to India several times and bent over backwards in front of the BCCI officials like a Bheegi Billi, so obviously he is going to get this kinda treatment from India.

    He went to Australia in connection with the Oval Test (Inzamam / Hair incident) instead of getting a favourable result he got a negative one for Pakistan. So, basically he is a failure and needs to be kicked out ASAP.

  102. #102 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 8:03 AM

    Javed A Khan

    You are right, there is no great achievement in what Mr Butt has accomplished. Months ago there was news that Pakistan would get its hosting fees and additional compensation. It was always on the cards that if Pakistan does not obtain compensation, the only alternative was that matches are held within Pakistan. So no great accomplishment- it was one of the two. Butt is acting like he has done something heroic and the media is supporting him on this.

  103. #103 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 8:14 AM


    The selectors have no integrity and they are puppets. But the person who programmed the sim or gave ideas must have been honest.

    I agree with what you are saying about skilled labour etc.

    Actually, I recall the game CD is only 200 MB. See if you can download it from somewhere? Will take less than half an hour I suppose.

  104. #104 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 9:03 AM

    We can qualify for semis in Champions Trophy: Younis Khan

    KARACHI: Pakistan cricket team captain Younis Khan said that Pakistan can qualify for the semi-finals in the Champions Trophy.

    In an interview with Faizan Lakhani of Geo News, Younis Khan said that if we play on our basis then we have a very good chance and we can reach the semi-finals.

    Replying to a question on bowling, he said that we are taking five pace bowlers. Rana Nave has showed some improvement and Rao Iftikhar also displayed good performance in Sri Lanka but this is not good to expect extra-ordinary performance from Mohammad Asif in this mega event.

    Regarding contesting with India, Younis Khan said that the match against India in the Champions Trophy would be the fourth in his captaincy against India and this is his great desire to beat India.

    Like Inti Alam, Younis is also contradicting himself. First he said Pakistan has a good chance of winning the CT and how he is saying Pakistan can be a top 4 team. This is BS.

    I don’t understand why they can’t just sat, “We will try our best”?

  105. #105 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 9:07 AM–bi-02

    Journalist Qamar Ahmed explains why PCB and Ijaz Butt are such a mess. Ijaz Butt is a waste of space. Should have gone a long time ago.

  106. #106 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 9:13 AM


    The people who do not criticise Malik and Misbah- they use a lot of analysis and professionalism etc when they criticise Afridi, Younis or Fawad Alam. I’ve read people saying, oh Fawad is a limited player, technically unsound, can’t hit sixes etc. All a load of BS. He is a better player than Malik any day of the week.

  107. #107 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 9:15 AM

    Plz see the above pic. Does Inti Alam look like he is on the ball with his coaching? He looks quite incompetent from his appearance. Is this how you want a coach to be?

  108. #108 by Awas on August 30, 2009 - 9:57 AM


    You got it wrong. It looks as though Younus is coaching Inti. Perhaps he is teaching him how to coach the boyz.

  109. #109 by Awas on August 30, 2009 - 10:30 AM


    You made a good point here that people see as only Mohd Yousuf and Younis Khan worth criticising as they are our best players. I mentioned that before as well. As you rightly say it’s just a hero worshiping culture that exists in Pakistan, just as in India vis-à-vis Tedulkar/Dhoni.

    A good example of people criticising the best is when Younus admitted, which I think was the second test against SL, that had he not played that stupid shot when he was well set that the rout started and they were all shot out for a meager score. Some people latched at him, some at his critics. But the point was that he was honorable enough to admit a mistake that became a point of discussion.

    It’s a team game above all. That’s why Miandad recently said that if they play like a unit rather than individuals they are capable of winning. Problem with players like Malik and Misbah is this not the notion of “conspiracy to create a mutiny and revolt against Younus Khan”. As Younus himself says repeatedly there is no discord in the team just that some players are playing for themselves not for the team. That usually means some like Malik and Misbah are just interested in playing a slow long innings for themselves. But they still fail as they are not great batsman to play a good knock at will. Imran always had this problem with Zaheer Abbas and he disliked him for that reason that he played for himself. In England too they had a problem with Boycott for that reason. But at least they were good batsmen, Malik and Misbah are not.

    That is why Miandad said that it has always been a problem with Pakistan that some players play for themselves and only when they play as a unit they perform better. So, true.

  110. #110 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 10:51 AM


    No one in the PCB has ever confessed to there being discord in the team. People say a discord has always existed in the Pakistan dressing room- people like Miandad, Imran Khan, Qadir, Safraz- they all accept it. So why should Younis Khan’s tenure be any different? Waqar admitted that he staged a rebellion against Wasim Akram, Imran Khan and some others admitted they revolted against Miandad. The only problem is, Malik is very subtle and sinister in the way he is playing politics whereas the others were more open and vocal about how they feel.

    I have admitted Afridi, Yousuf, Shoaib Akhtar and Razzaq were against Malik’s captaincy. And I have also admitted that Afridi was very keen to be the captain himself which is why he played a part in Malik’s downfall.

    Even Malik never admitted that he had problems with the selector Salahuddin or that Yousuf or Afridi disliked him. If you recall Yousuf gave damning statements against Malik, but Malik never reciprocated or treated them as anything substantive. That is because a captain can’t say certain things and the way Younis Khan is, he will never point fingers or accuse people because he is the Mr Nice Guy of the Pakistan team.

    It is extremely unlikely that Malik is united and pleased supporting Younis, in the face of the following facts:

    1) Younis’s main supporters are Afridi and Gul, both of whom have had problems with Malik

    2) Younis replaced Malik as captain

    3) Younis “won” the T20 Cup for Pakistan, which Malik could not. And in that T20 Cup both Malik and Misbah performed pathetically.

    On Geo Super Tv there have been many reports by presenters that there is an anti-Younis atmosphere being created by certain individuals. The way they describe these individuals, it is crystal clear they are talking about Akmal, Malik and Misbah. If the source was some Indian tabloid or some cheap newspaper in Pakistan, one would say it is just rumours. But the fact that Pakistan’s most advanced and popular TV channel is saying these things makes it definitely seem like something is fishy.

  111. #111 by Awas on August 30, 2009 - 11:15 AM


    When Waqar and Imran, you mentioned, revolted that is because they knew they could become captains and they both did. Can Malik after being displaced and after such poor performances become a captain? The answer is definitely no. For same reason of poor performances neither can Misbah and as a matter of fact he is no longer a VC.

    On that basis what would a revolt to Younus bring for these two? A captaincy to Afridi. That would be more unsavory to both of them as surly Younus being a “nice guy” is more palatable to them than strong headed Afridi. I think we are giving undue importance to Misbah and Malik here as though they are some kind of power houses in the team. They are definitely not like Waqar and Imran were. Their positions are precarious. One has been removed from vice-captaincy and the other was dropped in few games.

    Younus himself said if he found there was some kind of agenda and revolt against him he would resign himself. In view of this and my aforementioned comments it is only logical for the two to be on Younus’ side than have Afridi as captain.

  112. #112 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 11:24 AM


    There are a lot of people who want Shoaib Malik to become captain again and they feel that with Afridi and Younis out of the picture, Malik can definitely become captain. For whatever reason whilst Malik is considered a Test player (although he is not), Afridi is not considered a Test player and the selectors are always hesitant to select Afridi for Tests. There is a psyche that feels Malik was unjustly removed as captain and deserved captaincy, and some regionally biased people feel it is because of some regional biases Malik was removed, although Razzaq, Yousuf and Shoaib Akhtar, who disliked Malik, are also from Punjab.

    If Malik and Misbah are not powerhouses why have they been selected in the Champions Trophy, one of the most important ICC events? Malik was dropped, but he is well and truly back. Misbah played pathetically but either one of Malik and Misbah AT LEAST will play in the CT. After the Sri Lankan series a lot of people on other blogs were arguing with me that I am overreacting and that Malik is finished etc and will never be selected again, but Malik is back in the squad.

    That Geo presenter said in March 2009 that Younis will resign in 1 year because of the politics against him. It has only been 6 months so far- let us see what happens. As Shahrukh Khan said in some movie (can’t remember the name), “Picture abhi baaqi hai, meray dost……….” 🙂

  113. #113 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 11:27 AM


    Former Pakistan fast bowler Mohammad Zahid has said in an interview that renowned domestic batsman, Saeed Bin Nasir, is not talented enough to succeed at international cricket.

  114. #114 by Awas on August 30, 2009 - 11:29 AM


    LOL @ Malik can become captain again.

    Why the two have been selected again for CT, we have discussed that before. Seniority, experience, nepotism etc. Perhaps they have been given one more chance. What happens after that only time will tell.

  115. #115 by Pawan on August 30, 2009 - 2:55 PM

    Hi Guys,

    I tried searching for English translation of some Urdu verses, but could not find. I would be glad if anyone could provide me with translation. Following are the lyrics of this wonderful song Baharon Ko Chaman Yaad Aaa Gaya Hai by Mehdi Hassan and Ghulam Ali:

    bahaaron ko chaman yaad aa gaya hai
    mujhe wo gulabadan yaad aa gaya hai

    lachakati shaak ne jab sar uthaaya
    kisi ka baankapan yaad aa gaya hai

    teri suurat ko jab dekha hai mainne

    uruuch-e-fiqr-o-fan yaad aa gaya hai

    meri kaamoshi pe hansane waalo
    mujhe wo kam-sukhan yaad aa gaya hai

    mile wo ajanabi ban kar to ‘ rafat’
    zamaane ka chalan yaad aa gaya hai

    You Tube link :

    Thanks a lot guys!

  116. #116 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 3:08 PM

    ‘T20 WC victory will put pressure on Pak during CT’

    Karachi, Aug 30 (PTI) The ICC Twenty20 World Cup win will augment the expectation from Pakistan as cricketers have to handle pressure judiciously to perform well in the upcoming Champions Trophy, feels new vice-captain Shahid Afridi.

    “Carrying the tag of T20 World Cup winner into Champions Trophy means there are automatically going to be a lot of expectations from us to do well. The way we won T20 World Cup means we have the ability to win the Champions Trophy, but the only thing is we have to develop mindset to handle pressure as well,” Afridi said.

    Afridi, who has recently been appointed as the deputy to Younis Khan for the eight-nation tournament, cast aside possibility of any conflict of idea with the skipper.

    “The vice-captain is there to support his captain and only become effective when the captain is not available for some reason.

  117. #117 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 3:11 PM

    Miandad recreates S Africa in Lahore to aid Pak batters

    KARACHI: Former captain Javed Miandad has ordered a new grassy track at the Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore so that the Pakistani batsmen get the right kind of practice before landing in South Africa for the ICC Champions Trophy beginning next month.

    Since he was appointed the batting consultant of the team, Miandad has been working on methods to prepare the batsmen.

    For the starter, he has ordered the preparation of grassy three-foot wide pitches at the Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore where the 10-day national conditioning camp for the Champions Trophy begins from Tuesday.

    “The idea is to get the batsmen to play on surfaces similar to those in South Africa. Cricket is all in the mind and if a player is mentally focused. he can succeed anywhere,” Miandad said.

    “The playing conditions and pitches at the Wanderers and Centurion grounds are conducive to pace bowling and our batsmen need to be prepared to cope with the conditions there,” Miandad said.

    The Pakistan Cricket Board has appointed Miandad, also Director of Cricket Affairs in the board, to help out the batsmen after a string of batting failures on the recent tour of Sri Lanka where Pakistan lost both the Test and One-day series.

    “Cricket is a mind game. If a player is not confident, he will always struggle. They are always solutions to tackle different conditions,” Miandad said.

    Miandad, who has coached the team thrice in the past, said he didn’t think players like Mohammad Yousuf, Misbah-ul-Haq, Younis Khan, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi or Kamran Akmal had any major technical problems in their batting.

    “They just need fine-tuning and my job is to prepare them mentally for the conditions in South Africa and for the type of bowling they will face in the Champions Trophy,” he said.

    Miandad said he had no intentions of trying to step on the toes of captain Younus Khan or coach Intikhab Alam.

    “I have been given a specific task and I will do everything after keeping the captain and coach in the loop,” he said.

    Miandad also encouraged the young players to open up and seek advice from former players.

    “It is unfortunate that our players are shy of asking seniors for help even when they are struggling. I remember when (Australian batsman) Dean Jones was struggling against Abdul Qadir, he flew to Sydney to meet Ian Chappell and discuss where he was failing. Chappell told Jones to play Qadir out of the crease. One simple tip and next match Jones scored a century. That is how important sometimes tips from seniors can be for the juniors,” he said.

  118. #118 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 3:12 PM


    I can’t translate the whole thing for you and no point in me translating half. So Javed A Khan or Awas will probably be able to help you with this.

  119. #119 by Pawan on August 30, 2009 - 3:18 PM

    Thanks Khansahab.

    I listened to this song from my moms collected as a child..
    Was nostalgic when I heard it again on YouTube.
    Those days they had those black discs called records.
    I guess she still has the record player.
    Although she doesn’t practice her classical singing anymore of course.
    Just hope its still working.
    Will play it when I will go home next time!

  120. #120 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 3:53 PM


    I like new songs 🙂

    Have you heard Jee Leh from Luck?

    Shruti Hassan looks amazing.

  121. #121 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on August 30, 2009 - 7:47 PM

    Pawan, Javed will be there for the rescue lol

  122. #122 by khansahab on August 30, 2009 - 8:11 PM

    Akram eyeing dual role with Knight Riders

    Karachi: Former Pakistan Test captain Wasim Akram is eyeing the dual role of becoming a cricket consultant and bowling coach with the Kolkata Knight Riders in next year’s Indian Premier League.

    Wasim, who met Knight Riders owner Shah Rukh Khan and Saurav Ganguly on Sunday in Mumbai told Geo News from there that he had revealed his interest to both of them in the meeting.

    “I met Shah Rukh and Saurav Ganguly and had discussions with them in a very friendly atmosphere. I am not just looking at becoming the bowling coach for the KKR team but also to be their cricket consultant,” Wasim said.

  123. #123 by khansahab on August 31, 2009 - 9:32 AM

    PTI demands treason case against Nawaz

    Monday, August 31, 2009
    By By our correspondent

    The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf Sindh (PTI) has demanded that a treason case be registered against former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for killing 15,000 people in Karachi in a military operation launched in 1992 in Sindh, especially in Karachi.

    The demand was made by the provincial PTI leader Ashraf Qureshi, who stated that the disclosure of Brig Imtiaz, ex-Intelligence Bureau (IB) chief, regarding the military operation in Sindh in Nawaz Sharif’s government exposed the actual plan of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader, which he started in 1990 when he was chief minister Punjab.

    Qureshi said that a treason case should be registered not only against Brig (retd) Imtiaz but also against Sharif who approved the military operation in Sindh.

    Qureshi said that the aim of the military operation in Sindh particularly in Karachi was to destroy Sindh and its economy and the PML-N government attempted to pressurise the investors into shifting their capital to Mian Channo and other areas in Punjab for investment.

    The PTI leader also urged the party chief Imran Khan to distance himself from Sharif because the aim of his politics is to damage democracy and unity among the four federating units of the country.

  124. #124 by khansahab on August 31, 2009 - 2:38 PM


    Salim Altaf has been sacked.

  125. #125 by khansahab on September 1, 2009 - 8:51 AM


    Yes I’ve seen all of his episodes. Thought Qadir was a genuine guy watching this. No one could know Qadir and Malik don’t get along, when this episode came out.

  126. #126 by khansahab on September 1, 2009 - 8:54 AM

    PCB chief miscalculated ICC compensation package

    LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt was off the mark when he claimed last week that Pakistan would receive around Rs 1.5 billion ($18 million) from the International Cricket Council (ICC) after settling its 2011 World Cup dispute with the game’s governing body.

    “The PCB stands to gain about Rs 1 billion ($12 million) from its deal with the ICC that was struck in Dubai last week,” sources said. The settlement between the ICC and the PCB was reached following a meeting between ICC president David Morgan and Ijaz in Dubai last Wednesday. Sources said Ijaz quoted that figure under pressure from the newsmen, who were surprised when Ijaz initially said that Pakistan would get Rs 1 billion from the deal. “Rs 1 billion is only slightly higher than the amount of $10.5 million which Pakistan would have got in any case as hosting fees for 14 of its World Cup matches.”

    Before making the deal with the ICC, Ijaz had claimed that Pakistan would get a substantial compensation for settling its court case with the ICC over the staging of the World Cup. The PCB had issued a legal notice to the ICC early this summer after the game’s governing body moved Pakistan’s share of matches out of the country because of security concerns.

  127. #127 by khansahab on September 1, 2009 - 12:14 PM

    Miandad, Alam differ on preparation for CT

    Karachi: Pakistan’s national coach Intikhab Alam and batting consultant Javed Miandad appear to disagree on the methods of preparation for the Champions Trophy in the conditioning camp in Lahore.

    Former Test captain and a senior official in the Board, Miandad has been given the task of improving the batting skills of the players ahead of the Champions Trophy and he started off by asking the ground staff at the Gaddafi stadium to prepare grassy tracks with extra width for the net sessions in the conditioning camp.

    He wants the batsmen to be prepared for bouncers and seaming balls in South Africa which hosts the Champions Trophy.

    But Intikhab, also a former Test captain, apparently does not agree with Miandad’s theory.

    He told reporters that he would like to see the national team players’ practice on all type of pitches in the conditioning camp and he would like to see sporting tracks which encourage bowlers and batsmen.

    Intikhab is due to hold a press conference and sources said he is likely to broach this subject.

    “It is no secret that some senior players and Intikhab are a bit worried with the involvement of Miandad in the preparations for the Champions Trophy as Miandad is a hard task master and believes in 100 per cent commitment on part of the players.”

    “Miandad belongs to the old school of thought of cricket and believes that cricket is played on the field and in the mind,” one source said.

    Miandad, who has thrice remained national team coach, was again offered the position of coach by Chairman Ejaz Butt last year but refused due to his prior commitments.

    “It was after Miandad’s refusal that Butt appointed Intikhab as the coach,” the source said.

    He said another issue that was cropping up and could become a bone of contention between Miandad and Intikhab was that the former was interested in accompanying the team to South Africa for the Champions Trophy.

    Miandad has in recent days made it clear he had no problems going to South Africa if the Board wanted this.

    There is plenty of history between Miandad and Intikhab and the latter was coach during the 1996 World Cup when Miandad played his final international event.

    “It is no secret that Intikhab didn’t want Miandad in the team in the ’96 World Cup but had to bow down to pressure from the government. He was also instrumental in getting Miandad dropped for the tour of Sri Lanka before the World Cup,” the source recalled.

  128. #128 by khansahab on September 1, 2009 - 12:17 PM

    First 10-15 overs will be decisive in Champions Trophy: Malik

    Former Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik believes that the first 10-15 overs of an innings would prove decisive for the teams in the Champions Trophy starting in South Africa from September 22.

    Malik told newsmen in Lahore, where he is training for the tournament, that in South Africa the nature of the pitches was such that the first 10-15 overs would set the tone for the match.

    “The pitches at the Wanderers and Centurion, where the matches are going to be held, usually help the pace bowlers seam the ball around and there is extra bounce also,” Malik explained.

    “So basically it boils down to the fact how a team copes with the first 10 to 15 overs. After that it is a process of cementing your position in the match,” he said.

    Malik, who was replaced by Younis Khan as the captain of the side, said Pakistan had a very strong and balanced outfit for the tournament.

    “We don’t need to worry at all. We have quality players in every department and If we can cope with the first 10 to 15 overs properly, there is no reason we cannot go all the way,” he said.

  129. #129 by khansahab on September 1, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    Afridi looks forward to India match in CT

    Karachi Flamboyant Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi is looking forward to play against India in the Champions Trophy in South Africa where his side had not beaten their neighbours in an ICC tournament in recent years.

    Afridi said he has a lot of respect for India which had a very good One-day combination and the match between the two arch rivals should produce fireworks.

    “India are a strong side and our present team is also well balanced and has depth so we should have a good match. I am looking forward to it,” he told reporters in Lahore.

    “The rivalry and intensity of playing against each other is always there. It does not matter who wins or loses. What is important is I want to play with passion and aggression and I expect our players to show 100 per cent commitment,” he added.

    Pakistan lost their 2003 World Cup match to India at the Centurion and were twice beaten in the 2007 Twenty20 World Cup in South Africa.

    “I think our team is very experienced and balanced and we can do well in South Africa and try to change our past record there,” Afridi said.

    He said Pakistan have some good players particularly like Muhammad Yousuf, Shoaib Malik and Misbah-ul-Haq.

    “Although Malik and Misbah have recently not scored many runs but they are quality players and they have played some brilliant innings in the past. So I am expecting them to do well in Champions Trophy. It will add a lot of depth to our batting if they click,” he said.

  130. #130 by Awas on September 1, 2009 - 5:12 PM


    He said Pakistan have some good players particularly like Muhammad Yousuf, Shoaib Malik and Misbah-ul-Haq”. Afridi

    Why does he think Malik and Misbah are good?

  131. #131 by khansahab on September 1, 2009 - 5:17 PM


    He didn’t mention Younis Khan too. I think this is his way of encouraging the Punjab based players to rise and perform 🙂

    On Nadia Khan Show a few months ago he suggested Malik and Misbah should be dropped. I think he is just mentioning this to encourage these players who have not been up to the mark recently.

  132. #132 by Awas on September 1, 2009 - 5:21 PM


    encouraging the Punjab based players to rise and perform

    It should be to rise and revolt 🙂

  133. #133 by khansahab on September 2, 2009 - 2:20 PM

    Afridi leads Pakistani nominations at ICC Awards

    MUMBAI: Three Pakistani players from the World Twenty20 winning side were nominated in the Twenty20 international performance of the year category as the International Cricket Council (ICC) released nominations for its annual awards.

    Shahid Afridi was nominated for three performances, including those in the semi-final and the final, while Umar Gul was nominated for two performances (against Australia in Dubai and against New Zealand at the World Twenty20), while Saeed Ajmal was nominated for his 4-19 against Ireland in the same tournament.

    Gul has also been nominated for the ODI player of the year category.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan women’s team captain Sana Mir earned a nomination in the women’s cricketer of the year category.

    The two Pakistani umpires on the ICC Elite Panel, Aleem Dar and Asad Rauf have been nominated in the umpire of the year category along with current holder Simon Taufel.

    India’s captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni and in-form Sri Lankan batsman Tillakaratne Dilshan have each been nominated in three categories.

    Dhoni has an opportunity to pick up a second consecutive one-day international player of the year award, and also features in the cricketer and test player categories in the list of nominations released by the sport’s governing body on Wednesday.

    Dilshan has been named among the nominees for the cricketer, test player and Twenty20 international performance of the year.

    In the cricketer of the year category, India and Sri Lanka topped the number of nominations in the long list with three each. England and South Africa each had two nominees while the remaining test-playing nations only had one each.

    West Indies’ Shivnarine Chanderpaul won the award last year and was again nominated.

    The awards take into account performances between Aug. 13 2008 and Aug. 24 2009.

    The lists were decided by an ICC panel comprising five former players: West Indies’ Clive Lloyd, India’s Anil Kumble, Pakistan’s Mudassar Nazar, England’s Bob Taylor and New Zealand’s Stephen Fleming.

    Awards will also be handed out to the emerging player, women’s cricketer and umpire of the year, and will be presented in Johannesburg on Oct. 1.

    The test and ODI teams of the year will also be selected and an award to the team that has adhered most to the spirit of cricket will also be named.

    Cricketer of the Year: Shivnarine Chanderpaul (WI), Tillakaratne Dilshan (SL), Mahendra Singh Dhoni (Ind), Gautam Gambhir (Ind), Saqib Al Hasan (Ban), Mitchell Johnson (Aus), Graham Onions (Eng), Thilan Samaraweera (SL), Kumar Sangakkara (SL), Harbhajan Singh (Ind), Graeme Smith (SA), Andrew Strauss (Eng), Daniel Vettori (NZ), AB de Villiers (SA)

    Test Player of the Year: Stuart Broad (Eng), Michael Clarke (Aus), Mahendra Singh Dhoni (Ind), Tillakaratne Dilshan (SL), Gautam Gambhir (Ind), Saqib Al Hasan (Ban), Mitchell Johnson (Aus), VVS Laxman (Ind), Jesse Ryder (NZ), Thilan Samaraweera (SL), Ramnaresh Sarwan (WI), Peter Siddle (Aus), Harbhajan Singh (Ind), Graeme Smith (SA), Dale Steyn (SA), Andrew Strauss (Eng), Graeme Swann (Eng), Daniel Vettori (NZ), AB de Villiers (SA)

    ODI Player of the Year: Shivnarine Chanderpaul (WI), Mahendra Singh Dhoni (Ind), Andrew Flintoff (Eng), Chris Gayle (WI), Umar Gul (Pak), Martin Guptill (NZ), Michael Hussey (Aus), Nuwan Kulasekara (SL), Ajantha Mendis (SL), Muttiah Muralidaran (SL), Yuvraj Singh (Ind), Virender Sehwag (Ind), Thilan Thushara (SL)

    Twenty20 International Performance of the Year:
    Shahid Afridi (Pak) has been nominated for three separate performances, all during the ICC World Twenty20 2009 (WT20) – he took 4-11 against the Netherlands at Lord’s on 9 June; he scored 51 off 34 balls and took 2-16 against South Africa during the semi-final in Nottingham on 18 June; and he took 1-20 and scored 54 not out off 40 balls against Sri Lanka in the final at Lord’s on 21 June

    Saeed Ajmal (Pak) – took 4-19 against Ireland at the Oval during the WT20 on 15 June

    Umar Gul (Pak) has been nominated for two performances – took 4-8 against Australia in Dubai on 7 May and took 5-6 against New Zealand during the WT20 at The Oval on 13 June

    Other nominees in this category are: Dwayne Bravo (WI), Alex Cusack (Ire), Tillakaratne Dilshan (SL), Chris Gayle (WI), David Hussey (Aus), Sanath Jayasuriya (SL), Zaheer Khan (Ind), Ajantha Mendis (SL), Wayne Parnell (SA), Abdur Razzak (Ban), David Warner (Aus),

    Women’s Cricketer of the Year: Suzie Bates (NZ), Holly Colvin (Eng), Charlotte Edwards (Eng), Laura Marsh (Eng), Sana Mir (Pak), Shelley Nitschke (Aus), Mithali Raj (Ind), Karen Rolton (Aus), Priyanka Roy (Ind), Lisa Sthalekar (Aus), Claire Taylor (Eng), Sarah Taylor (Eng), Stafanie Taylor (WI), Haidee Tiffin (NZ), Aimee Watkins (NZ)

    Umpire of the Year: Billy Bowden, Aleem Dar, Steve Davis, Ian Gould, Tony Hill, Daryl Harper, Asad Rauf, Simon Taufel

    Emerging Player: Martin Guptill (NZ), Ben Hilfenhaus (Aus), Philip Hughes (Aus), Amit Mishra (Ind), Graham Onions (Eng), Kemar Roach (WI), Jesse Ryder (NZ), Peter Siddle (Aus)

    Associate and Affiliate Player of the Year: Rizwan Cheema (Can), Khurram Chohan (Can), Alex Cusack (Ire), Ryan ten Doeschate (Ned), Trent Johnston (Ire), Neil McCallum (Sco), Kevin O’Brien (Ire), Niall O’Brien (Ire), William Porterfield (Ire), Boyd Rankin (Ire), Edgar Schiferli (Ned), Steve Tikolo (Ken), Regan West (Ire), Bas Zuiderent (Ned)

  134. #134 by khansahab on September 2, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    I think Asad Rauf should get Umpire of the Year award this time. He has been generally spot on with his decisions. Aleem Dar has made too many mistakes in the past 2-3 years.

  135. #135 by khansahab on September 2, 2009 - 2:26 PM

    Saudi Arabia has no concept of democracy: Zafar Ali Shah

    ISLAMABAD: Leader of Pakistan Muslim League (N) Syed Zafar Ali Shah advocate said on Wednesday that Saudi Arabia has no knowledge of democracy and no one should intervene in the domestic affairs of Pakistan.

    Talking to media outside of the Supreme Court Zafar Ali Shah said that there are deep friendly relations between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and we respect these relations however they do not know much about democratic practises.

    ‘Each country has its own democratic system and we never criticized the monarchy system in Arab countries,’ he said.

    Talking about the Saudi government asylum offer to Pervez Musharraf he said it is Pakistan domestic issue and Saudi Arabia should avoid to take any step in this regard.

    ‘No one has the authority to decide about the future of Pervez Musharraf.’ He said that people of this country have suffered due to Musharraf and they will decide what to do with him. -Online

    They hate Musharraf so much that they will risk making derogatory comments against Saudi Arabia in order to harm Musharraf?

    Have they forgotten how much Saudi has helped Nawaz Sharif and what kind of aid has come from Saudi for development and alleviation of poverty in Pakastan?

  136. #136 by khansahab on September 2, 2009 - 2:32 PM

    These are the perks enjoyed by Ijaz Butt as PCB Chairman:

    He is entitled to a full residence, or alternatively he gets Rs 100,000 per month as house rent. He is also entitled to cars besides four servants and one security guard.

    The Chairman is also entitled to a land-line number and an international mobile phone connection with unlimited billing.

    The board pays for his electricity, gas and water bills or Rs 40,000 monthly. He is also reimbursed for any medical expense for his own treatment or that of his spouse.

    Besides, the Chairman is also entitled to first-class international travel with his wife and business class travel domestically.

    That’s not all – he also gets a travelling allowance of USD 300 per day and USD 600 for accommodation on international trips.

    Sources said these perks and benefits have also come under discussion at the meeting of the National Assembly Standing Committee on Sports and Culture.

  137. #137 by Awas on September 2, 2009 - 4:19 PM

    Enviable perks but I guess they are not Butt specific only. PCB is not as rich as BCCI, so they need to be more frugal.

  138. #138 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 2, 2009 - 5:49 PM

    You don’t need to compare Butt’s with IF’s, well BCCI is rich and India can afford to pay more, but what is Butt doing? Is he justifying his salary and perks for the kinda work he is doing? In fact it is all negative and he should be kicked out ASAP.

  139. #139 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 2, 2009 - 6:02 PM


    Zafar Ali Shah said, said that people of this country have suffered due to Musharraf and they will decide what to do with him.

    Check out the background of Zafar Ali Shah and see how honest and sincere he is? Ask him whether he has a clean slate and he never took any bribe or favours from anyone? At his level whatever he could do he has done it to reach this level. Like Nawaz Sharif became the second richest man of Pakistan and how did that happen? His assets in 1975-76 were hardly over a million dollar today he is a billionaire. Zardari whose father owned a cinema house three decades ago has become a billionaire, how did that happen?

    I have talked to various bureaucrats and diplomats and none of them say that there is any report of Musharraf taking bribes or building an empire anywhere outside Pakistan. There are reports that he used to drink, get pally with women and he was power hungry. But, who is not power hungry?

    Every single politician is power hungry. And, one needs to be accountable or appear in front of that Ehtesaab Committee, then Nawaz Sharif along with his ghunda Bhai Shahbaz Sharif and Zardari etc. should all appear. And why stop the buck here, go back to Zia ul Haq and ZA Bhutto era and dig out their “Kaalay Kartoot” and the amount of damage they did to the country, make them responsible too.

    Also, Zia’s son Ijaz ul Haq, was only a small time banker in Bank of America Bahrain and was getting a petty salary how can he became millionaire? Not just a millionaire but close to 100 million dollars.

    Khawaja Asif
    , that Senator from Sialkot was also a banker at Mashreq Bank Dubai and his salary was so low that he could barely meet his needs and now he is a millionaire in US dollars, there are so many of them and there should be accountability for ALL of these bastards.

  140. #140 by Awas on September 2, 2009 - 6:20 PM


    I guess these BUStards got lucky…very lucky 🙂

    The now tycoon Abramovich used to sell plastic ducks from home. The virgin boss Richard Branson used to sell records from telephone booths.

    Javed, Don’t worry, I’m not defending the ones you mentioned. Just a thought.

    Mind you the ones I mentioned didn’t plunder poor countries.

  141. #141 by khansahab on September 2, 2009 - 6:41 PM


    Abramovich was also the Governor of some region of Russia, so that is where he may have amassed his wealth or at least obtained the sources to amass such wealth. He has also been accused of plenty of corruption and fraud charges. So, not too different from Pakistan politicians.

    Yes, the ones who have looted Pakistan have looted a poorer country which automatically makes them more culpable.

  142. #142 by khansahab on September 2, 2009 - 7:03 PM

    Not running one-man show in PCB: Butt

    KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ejaz Butt has played down the charges that he is running a one-man show while taking different administrative decisions in the PCB.

    “I like to work together with other people in the board. But at the end of the day I am responsible for everything, so where to take key decisions I work under proper authority,” Butt was quoted as saying in the ‘Express’ newspaper.

    Butt has been accused of taking unilateral decisions in the PCB and not consulting other officials or the governing council members while taking the key decisions.

    His relation with other officials has also come under scrutiny after string of high profile former players resigned or were sacked in the board in the last eight months.

    Javed Miandad, Abdul Qadir and Aamir Sohail had resigned following problems with Butt, while the chairman sacked chief operating officer Saleem Altaf earlier this year.

    Butt insisted he was doing nothing unconstitutional. “I work under the powers given to me and I am trying to work constitutionally. But where hard decisions have to be taken I take them because I can do that. After all I am accountable for everything to the President,” Butt said.

    Butt also defended himself from the controversy broke out after the sacking of Altaf.

    “Only the governing council can appoint or dismiss the COO. So I don’t come into the picture. But yes, all those employees who are working diligently in the board have nothing to fear but those who are doing nothing no matter how big they are will have to go,” Butt said.

  143. #143 by khansahab on September 2, 2009 - 7:13 PM

    The Sports Ministry working in conjunction with the President needs to decide whether they want to build a decent team for the WC 2011. With Ijaz Butt at the helm who makes simple mistakes, has problems with various officials, lacks education and maturity, they need to seriously consider whether this guy can make things right in 18 months.

    The fact that the President has not yet sacked Butt shows me how incompetent the government is, because they have so many other problems to address that they are unable to settle this issue.

  144. #144 by Awas on September 3, 2009 - 10:51 AM

    “Indo-Pak rivalry on par with Ashes”’s Rajarshi Gupta caught up with Pakistani wicket-keeper batsman Kamran Akmal for a candid and exclusive chat.

    Akmal is a character on the field. Never short of words behind the stumps and shots with the bat, the 27-year-old has been an asset for the Pakistanis over the last couple of years.

    Like other protagonists of India-Pakistan rivalries, Akmal has played his part and played it well. Two Test hundreds stand out in a career that has so far been checkered with sheer brilliance and leans of horror patches. (Remember, the quick-fire ton against India at Lahore and a match-winning century at Karachi when the hosts were down in the dumps?)

    So when Akmal speaks of rivalries and their importance in cricketing history, you listen and with rapt attention, more so when he says India-Pakistan rivalries are at par with the centuries old Ashes.

    “I saw the Ashes and it was nice to see England win only because they don’t win a lot against the Aussies.

    “The whole series was so intense, like all other Ashes. The intensity and the fight reminds me of our (Pakistan’s) rivalry with India on the cricket field. It is at par with the Ashes.”

    Point taken. But will Pakistan not be under any pressure as they head on to the ICC Champions Trophy, never having beaten India in an ICC event?

    “Well, not really. I know we have not beaten India in any of the World Cups (since 1996) but I don’t think that is a jinx. It all depends on how well the team plays that day. That’s it.

    Akmal has spent seven years as an international player for Pakistan and several years now as their numero uno choice for wicketkeeper and he knows what it is like to feel the heat in the middle. However, he admits there is nothing like an India-Pakistan contest.

    “The whole world loves to watch us play and they want to see us play but the pressure to perform and excel is huge.”

    No one, who has followed cricket in the sub-continent can ever refute that.

    A cricket match between India and Pakistan is huge, more than just a game and nothing could have mirrored that better than a warm-up game in the second edition of the ICC World Twenty20.

    The traditional rivals had met at the finals of the 2007 ICC World Twenty20 and no one could have guessed the two were playing a practice match two years later. The frenzy and the passion was still the same, so much so, that it led Indian strike bowler Ishant Sharma to quip, “It may be a practice match for the ICC, not for us.”

    The result: India thumped Pakistan by eight wickets.

    That however, may not mean much to Akmal, whose team eventually went on to win the ICC World Twenty a couple of weeks later. Cricket is all about confidence and Pakistan have a right to it despite an ordinary show in Sri Lanka.

    With some senior players now back in the side after severing ties with the ‘rebel’ Indian Cricket League, Akmal sounds upbeat.

    Abdul Razzaq, Rana Naved and Mohammad Yousuf are back for us and the team will be stronger now and we can do with their experience and skills.

    It is also great to have Mohammad Asif in the team. He adds so much to the bowling attack.”

    The Twenty20 triumph in England withstanding, The ICC Champions Trophy will be a different cup of tea and Akmal is smart enough to know that.

    “You see, the conditions will be different in South Africa and we will have to adapt as well as the other visiting teams. Moreover, Twenty20 cricket is very different from 50-overs cricket.”

    With eight of the world’s top ODI teams set to lock horns in South Africa, Akmal refused to pick any favourites but did say that Australia will still be the biggest threat in spite of their recent dip in fortune, which left them humiliated in England all summer- first in the ICC World Twenty20 and then the Ashes.

    In my opinion, Australia are still the best side in the world because they are very strong mentally. They are hurting and smarting from some recent reversals and that makes them dangerous.”

    For now however, cricket fans in India and Pakistan want to see their teams blow the bugle and prepare for battle. MS Dhoni and his men know the task at hand is not a mean one. None of their previous colleagues have ever lost to Pakistan in a World Cup or an ICC event before.
    Akmal wants to ruin the party for India. Hungry for another ICC title, he and his team are ready to go full tilt. Bring it on, boys!
    I can’t wrong Akmal on what he said here…quite sensible answers.

  145. #145 by Varun Suri on September 3, 2009 - 11:17 AM

    Dear Friends,

    I hope all of you are not being too harsh on yourself in this holy month of ramadan or is this the lull before the storm?

    I recently moved to a new house which is just in front of a local mosque and it is only in holland i have seen that there is a pub right next to it and during the month of ramadan every evening free food is sent to the pub for anyone who is enjoying a drink there. I went there last evening and also had the wonderful biryani…

    On a different note. Who says One-Day Cricket is dead or should be scrapped? After the barrage of 20-20 I am eagerly awaiting the following contest:-

    Sat Sep 26

    12:30 GMT | 14:30 Local
    13:30 BST India v Pakistan at Centurion, ICC Champions Trophy

  146. #146 by Awas on September 3, 2009 - 12:23 PM

    Dear Varun

    Biryani with beer…sounds good for community relations. Enjoy while the freebie lasts 🙂

  147. #147 by Awas on September 3, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    “Have no difference with Miandad”

    Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam says he has no differences with batting consultant Javed Miandad over Champions Trophy preparation.

    Alam denied that he had any problem with once-teammate Miandad and accused a section of media for interpreting the things in a wrong way.

    “We are good friends and don’t have any issue with each other. Miandad has played under my captaincy and also when I was the Pakistan coach. Some people in the media are trying to create the misunderstanding between us and doing no good to the team,” Alam said.

    The issue gained prominence when daily ‘Express’ quoted Miandad yesterday saying that it was very difficult for him to work with the team without knowing schedule of conditioning camp ahead of the eight-nation tournament commencing in South Africa from September 22.

    “No one has told me about the team’s training schedule as yet,” Miandad was quoted as saying.

    The conditioning camp was originally to be held from September 1-10 in Lahore, where Miandad had ordered the preparation of grassy tracks for the batsmen to practice on.

    But Alam later got approval from the Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Ejaz Butt and changed the schedule of the camp which is now being held in two parts.

    The first part will continue in Lahore till September 6, followed by another five-day training in Karachi before the team’s departure for South Africa on Sept 12.

    “Miandad would be working with the players in the second part in Karachi. In Lahore we are just concentrating on physical training and allowing the players to have counseling sessions with psychologist Dr Maqbool Babri,” Alam said.

    Miandad, who is also the PCB Director (Cricket), has been given the additional responsibility by the board’s governing council in order to improve the batting form of the team before Champions Trophy.

  148. #148 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 3, 2009 - 5:30 PM

    The amount of traveling BUTT has done in the last one year since he became the Chairman of the PCB, it is ten times more than he traveled in his entire life, i.e., 74 years.

    Now, he is planning to go to Dubai again next week after returning from there last week, this time it is to discuss about a neutral venue for Pakistan / New Zealand matches. This MF, MC, BC, Khoosat Boodha is screwing the PCB and having Butt of a Time of his life.

  149. #149 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 3, 2009 - 5:33 PM

    Varun – tou Biryani khaa rehay ho aaj kal? Good, good. 😀

    Yeah, we are all waiting for that match on Sept.26th, in fact in group A, it is India, Pakistan, Australia and West Indies. So Pakistan is in a very difficult situation. Either they will be at the top of the table or, they will be at the bottom, they can’t be anywhere in between. 😀

  150. #150 by khansahab on September 3, 2009 - 6:17 PM


    When I saw that sentence, “Some people are trying to create misunderstanding……” I actually laughed.

    The motto of Inti Alam’s coaching and Younis’s captaincy tenure is, “We are all fine and some people are trying to create a discord.…………”

  151. #151 by Awas on September 3, 2009 - 8:42 PM


    By the way, you forgot to include Butt. His “motto” was also there was no discord after he met each player individually after SL tour. So, its three top officials 🙂

    The thing is what the people within the team say matters most to me than an obscure journalist has to opine in a tabloid. Similarly, when Sarfraz Nawaz whines and makes big claims from outside, he makes me laugh.

    Even IF we accept that there is a lot of discord and they are all out at each other for a coup détente, and they all start admitting it in the open, is it going to make the situation better or worse?

    When Younus claims to resign if there was anything of that sort then he is honourable enough to do so as he is not the type to lie for the sake of captaincy. Playing for themselves is different sort of thing than discord and mutiny. So, let’s not mix the two. There would always be some who play for themselves like Boycott and Zaheer Abbas. Even Miandad said recently, they can do well if they play as a team not as individuals. These are the voices we should pay attention to rather than sensationalist journalism.

    The fact of the matter is that next in line as captain is most definitely Afridi. Malik is never going to be a captain again unless he suddenly becomes Lara like or Tendulkar. Otherwise Malik is better off being in bed with a decent Younus than a hot head Afridi. Agreed? As far as Misbah is concerned at 35, he is not only too old but has already been dislodged as a VC, so his chances are dim. So, relax!

    Maybe I look at positives more than negatives. 🙂

  152. #152 by khansahab on September 3, 2009 - 8:48 PM


    I did not intend to suggest there is indeed discord and that the team management is underplaying it. I was just laughing at this statement that “some people are creating stories”. It seems like, responding to a controversy with another controversy.

    Whether there is discord or not, the team is definitely not playing well and they are capable of playing better. I also don’t think Younis Khan has full authority. He asked Malik to open in that Test when Fawad scored a century and Malik refused. This is not exaggeration; Fawad Alam himself said this and Younis also affirmed it. So we must read between the lines and question how can a player like Malik refuse an order from his captain?

  153. #153 by Awas on September 3, 2009 - 10:09 PM


    From what I remember Fawad said he was asked to open not that Malik was asked first. Anyway, I had said “a lot of discord”. That’s different. 🙂 In the past many had suggested Inzi and Yousaf the best players to come higher up the order but they never did that either.

  154. #154 by Awas on September 4, 2009 - 12:41 PM

    India court lifts Jinnah book ban

    The high court in the Indian state of Gujarat has ordered the government to lift the ban on a controversial book on Pakistan’s founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah.

    The book was written by Jaswant Singh, a leader in India’s Hindu nationalist main opposition party, the BJP. The party subsequently expelled him.

    But two social activists from Gujarat challenged the ban in court.

    The state government said it had banned the book for “defamatory references” to India’s first home minister.

    India’s first home minister, Vallabhbhai Patel, is a political icon in his home state of Gujarat.

    While banning the book last month, the Gujarat government had said that Mr Singh’s book Jinnah: India-Partition-Independence was “objectionable, misleading and against public tranquillity”.

    But the Gujarat high court said on Friday that the government had not “read the book” before imposing the ban.

    The court said the government had not “applied its mind” to arrive at the opinion that the book was “against national interest” and would affect public peace.
    LOL @ no one read the book and so much commotion without basis…like Satanic Verses. Mr Singh would be thrilled at free publicity given.

  155. #155 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 4, 2009 - 2:00 PM


    Such is the reaction of ignorant masses, they don’t know anything about the book but based on hearsay they banned it and then, they lifted the ban and now what will be the reaction IF, that is a big IF when they read it? Or, will they ever read it? By masses I don’t mean public but the educated masses – the Court and the Government.

    Anyways, apart from politics there are other good things happening like T20 in NZ and a 50 over ODI in England, Adil Rashid has so far bowled superbly except for the last ball of his 8th over which went for a four from a thick edge into the slips region (no slips fielder) had there been a first slip, he was out. The ninth over was also excellent – a stumping review – but safe. 30 runs in 9 overs is still pretty good.

  156. #156 by Awas on September 4, 2009 - 3:19 PM

    “Butt unfit to lead PCB”

    Pakistan’s former Test captain Aamer Sohail today hit out at the PCB Chairman Ejaz Butt, saying he was unfit for his job.

    In a statement issued to the media, Sohail said Butt was misleading the Pakistan President, who is also the PCB chief patron on the 2011 World Cup settlement issue.

    Sohail, who resigned as Director of the National Cricket Academy in July after differences with Butt, said he was shocked at the audacity of Butt to call those naive who had criticised him for selling off Pakistan cricket’s interests in the World Cup settlement deal.

    “Let me assure the PCB Chairman that we are not naive and the people of Pakistan love their cricket. They are knowledgeable and fully aware of what is going on in the cricket world,” Sohail said.

    “Instead, Mr Butt is the one who is wearing blinkers and does not have a clue as how to handle the affairs of cricket domestically and internationally,” said Sohail.

    He said it was obvious that Butt was ill-prepared for the ICC Executive Board meeting in Dubai in April where the 14 World Cup matches from Pakistan were shifted due to security conditions in the country.

    “It appears Butt has no worthwhile advisors who can help him in evolving any strategy at all,” Sohail added.

    He said Butt had sent a letter to the ICC President accusing the ICC Chief Executive of influencing the full members of the Board to support the decision to move the matches from Pakistan.

    Sohail said this letter didn’t serve any purpose for Pakistan and also damaged its position with the ICC and other cricket nations.

    “One has to handle things diplomatically when dealing with international cricket affairs,” he said.

    He also said that when Butt himself admitted that nothing could be done once the IDI board of the ICC took the decision to relocate the World Cup matches, what was the haste in getting into a costly legal wrangle with the ICC when the result was a foregone conclusion.

    Sohail said infact the ICC had threatened the PCB with loss of hosting fees and to slap them with legal fees if they didn’t take back their case.

    “There was no settlement as such it was a ICC decision to which Butt could do nothing.”

    He also slammed the Chairman for the clumsy manner in which he handled the attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore in March.

    “The co-hosts were not contacted after the incident despite strong advise from some of his staff,” Sohail said.

    “Instead, he castigated match referee Chris Broad which did not go down well with the ICC and member countries after such a big incident,” he noted.

    Sohail said the PCB never carried out any in-house discussion to fix responsibility for the security lapse that led to the attack.

    He said it was the height of incompetency of the PCB officials that instead of accepting their responsibility for the attack they tried to pass the blame onto the government.

    Sohail also criticised the Chairman for installing an expensive lift at the Gaddafi stadium when there was no chance of any foreign teams visiting Pakistan in near future.

    “I would rather have used the money to give bonuses to lower staff so that they could enjoy Ramazan an Eid with their families,” Sohail said.

  157. #157 by Awas on September 4, 2009 - 3:24 PM

    Younus wants a players’ association

    Younus Khan said he and his teammates have decided to form a players’ association even if the PCB does not support them.

    Talking to PTI, Younus said he is determined to form the association to safeguard the players’ interests and look after the welfare of both former and present cricketers.

    “I am not on any confrontation path with the Pakistan Cricket Board. But definitely, I have informed them the intention of the players to have their own association,” he said.

    Some half-baked attempts have been made in the past to form a professional players association in Pakistan but it did not eventually happen due to differences among the players themselves.

    Younus said the players were serious about having their own association this time.

    “I have already met with the Federation of International Cricketers Association chief executive Tim May during the Twenty20 World Cup and will have another meeting with him during the Champions Trophy in South Africa,” Younus said.

    “The purpose behind meeting with May was to get their opinion and advice on how we should go about to legally form a player’s association,” he said.

    The Pakistan skipper said he has informed the board about the plan but so far they had not responded to him as yet on this topic.

    “Even if the board does not support us, we will go ahead with our plan to form the association because many of our cricketers are facing financial problems and their welfare must be taken care off,” he said.

    The Pakistan captain said the purpose of forming the players association was not to form any parallel body to the cricket board.

    “We are not on any confrontation path but we definitely want to have our voice heard in the right places,” Younus said.

    Sources in the board said some senior officials in the board, including director cricket Javed Miandad, were not in favour of having the players association.

    “The board is already providing monthly pensions to many former players. So they are not facing financial problems as severe as Younis believes,” a source said.

    Sources said Younis is likely to broach this issue with board Chairman Ejaz Butt during the conditioning camp being held in Lahore until Sunday.
    I support Younus on this fully. Every other country has it.

  158. #158 by Awas on September 4, 2009 - 4:53 PM

    Breaking the silence on his tussle with the DDCA, Virender Sehwag said his fight was against the system and not any official.

    Sehwag had threatened to join the Haryana Ranji team, claiming corruption and nepotism were rampant in Delhi and District Cricket Association selections as the all-powerful Sports Committee called the shots.

    “The meeting was very positive”

    Even though Sehwag pointed accusing fingers at the Vinod Tihara-led Sports Committee, the opener said he did not have problem with any individual.

    “My fight is against the system. You have to change the system and put some good people who can look after the cricket. Lots of players are playing for India from Delhi. That is one good thing. Delhi has so much talent but talented players are not playing in Under-19 level. That’s why I raised this issue,” Sehwag told a news channel.
    Didn’t Youvraj say something similar!!!

  159. #159 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 5, 2009 - 11:55 AM

    I am glad to see that more people are speaking against Ijaz Butt. Finally Aamir Churail has broken that silence. I think, more and more people should be writing about him in the media to get rid of him. I am sure if so much was written against Butt during any other President’s time, he would have been sacked by now. But, because Zardari has no interest in cricket, he is busy traveling and making money, so is Ijaz Butt. Therefore, how can one expect from the big crook to remove the small crook?

  160. #160 by khansahab on September 5, 2009 - 2:57 PM

    Saudi Arabia concerned over Pak situation: Nasim Ashraf

    LAHORE: Saudi authorities have expressed concerns about the political situation currently prevailing in Pakistan, a private TV channel quoted former Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Nasim Ashraf as saying on Friday. Talking to the channel, Ashraf, who is also a close friend of General (r) Pervez Musharraf, termed the former president’s recent visit to Saudi Arabia “a success” and quoted the former president as saying that Saudi King Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz was concerned about the current political situation in Pakistan. Dr Nasim Ashraf said Musharraf would visit the US in the third week of September where he would deliver 15 lectures at various universities and institutions, and was expected to return to Pakistan by the end of the year. The former president is named in an FIR seeking action against him for manhandling judges and forcibly ousting them from office.

  161. #161 by Awas on September 5, 2009 - 5:19 PM

    “Pak players mentally ready for CT”

    Dr Maqbool Babri, the psychologist preparing the Pakistan team for Champs Trophy, has said the players are mentally ready.

    Babri has expressed confidence that the national side can encore their Twenty20 World Cup triumph performance in the biennial event in South Africa starting September 22.

    “I already held several counseling sessions with most of the players on a one to one basis and based on the conversation I had with them, I can safely say they are mentally ready for the Champions Trophy,” Dr Babri told PTI on Saturday.

    “I told them to play collectively”

    Incidentally, Dr Babri also worked with the Pakistan team ahead of their Twenty20 World Cup in England earlier this year.

    Dr Babri said all the players responded to his queries during the counseling sessions in the conditioning camp in Lahore.

    “They appear mentally strong and focused on what lies ahead. I will be having two-three hour counseling sessions with the entire team on Sunday and that will benefit them a lot,” he said.

    Dr Babri had even expressed his desire to accompany the side to South Africa as he felt the national team needed a permanent psychologist with it during major ICC events.

    However, the Pakistan Cricket Board has refused to respond to Dr Babri’s offer, with sources saying the decision not to give the psychologist a full-time offer was taken because of his high fees.

    “The board is already paying a handsome amount because they feel he did well with the players before the T20 World Cup and can possibly repeat his success in the Champions Trophy,” one source said.

    Dr Babri said the Younis Khan-led side had all what it takes to win the Champions Trophy.

    “My main task is to inbred into the players mind that they are unbeatable and they can win on any day. I told them to play collectively and not as individuals,” he said.

  162. #162 by Awas on September 5, 2009 - 5:21 PM

    Butt supports Players’ Association idea

    Younus Khan’s idea of forming a players’ association can materialise as PCB Chief Ezaj Butt has pledged support for the cause.

    Butt has said that the move will not pose any threat to the Board.

    Former Chairmen of the Board had also discouraged the formation of such an association, fearing it could lead to an increase in players power.

    However Butt thinks otherwise.

  163. #163 by Mohammed Munir on September 6, 2009 - 5:52 AM

    On whose authority is this guy Nasim Ashraf speaking about Saudi concerns for Pakistan’s political issues ?

    Although the point is valid, but I think he is no man for the job.

    Have he changed tracks again from medicines to cricket to politics ? Or have he officially accepted the position of ‘PA to Musharraf Sahab’ ?

    BTW, where is Nasim Ashraf stationed these days, is he in Pakistan or is he speaking from overseas, like his guru? 😉

  164. #164 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 6, 2009 - 9:03 AM


    Is there a restriction or is it religiously forbidden for Nasim Ashraf to speak? I think he has as much a right to speak as we do. The only difference is our statements end up here on the blog, whereas he being more famous than us, his statements are picked up by the media and conveyed over the TV, radio and newspapers.

    Also, there shouldn’t be any binding on changing professions. If a General (Mush) can be a politician, an industrialist and a wadera can be a politician, a chaudhary can be a chief justice, a banker can be a prime minister, so what is wrong if a doctor changes his profession? A cricketer can be a politician, a film actor can be a politician even a Daku like Phoolan Devi could become an elected leader, politician and minister. So, the list is endless my dear, why are you so worried about DNA?

    And, Mush may or may not appoint anyone to be his PA. And, anyone who likes Mush or his policies may stand up and say anything in his support. Btw, Mush is in London, so is PJ Mir and Shaukat Aziz and Altaf (Bhai). This is just like the days when Mian Sahab of Shakar Paariyan and Nihariyan when he was spending his years in exile (Nawaz Sharif’s own words,) in the so-called Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, at that time ALL his Chamchas, Cuffgeers and Doiyes were visiting him back and forth to offer pilgrimage to the Tinda Nawaz’s Mazaar in KSA and doing Tail Maalish on his ganjee tind and feeding him Shabdegh and Nihari. Wo din yaad nahee? Unn hee ki terha phir “Badaam Doodh” peo.

    Array Soop bolay tou bolay Chunni kya bolay? I mean Nawaz and not you 😉 That is because he has nothing else to do, look at Zardari he is so busy minting money by selling the country he doesn’t say a word against Mush or even care about where he is? Btw, you are also overseas, watan say dooor, nashay may choor, just like most of us here on the blog. 😀 Take care.

  165. #165 by khansahab on September 6, 2009 - 9:24 AM

    Asif advised to seek psychological treatment before CT

    MUMBAI – Caught for doping just before the World Cup in 2003, Australia’s leading wicket-taker and spin wizard Shane Warne underwent rehabilitation during his one-year suspension. The Australian Cricket Board (now known as Cricket Australia) ensured Warne underwent a few sessions with a psychologist.

    The same policy is being followed by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) which too woke up from its slumber for Mohammad Asif whose one-year ban for a similar offence is getting over later this month and is now selected to play in the Champions Trophy.

    The pace-bowler has been directed to consult PCB’s psychologist Maqbool “Max” Babri in private because Asif is not allowed to join camp as he is still serving his ban period.

    Confirming over his mobile from Lahore, the pshychologist said: “The PCB has asked Mohammad Asif to contact me privately.

    “I have advised him to come next week. I am working out few schedule-sessions with him when the Pak team moves their camp to Karachi for batting coaching with Miandad.”

    “Asif will certainly benefit with the counselling sessions and for that matter any one who is expected to prove his abilities through personal performance,” Babri said.

    “My experience suggests that dependence on any illegal substance is initiated because it gives you a high. People normally reach this high without substance abuse as a result of their performance, receiving of acknowledgment, receiving and giving of love and generally being happy with oneself while having faith in the future.”

    “Once the external substances replace the natural high and we succumb to the temptation of taking the substance to keep us in the high the addiction begins to set in. Depending on the extent of addiction, the client through Therapy can be influenced to rediscover his strengths and capabilities and urged through therapy/hypnotherapy/cognitive behavior therapy to have faith in the future.”

    “Therapy is also needed to help the client to ease and eliminate the pain caused by any feelings of past guilt, anger related to past events and fears related to future”, Babri signed off.

  166. #166 by khansahab on September 6, 2009 - 9:31 AM

    Imran’s words encourage Shoaib Akhtar to turn a new leaf

    KARACHI: Former captain Imran Khan’s advice ringing in his ears, Shoaib Akhtar, the perennial bad boy of Pakistan cricket, appears to be making a

    sincere effort to turn over a new leaf and change his attitude for the better.

    Shoaib flew down to the city to attend a fund-raising campaign for former captain Imran Khan’s Shaukat Khanum research cancer hospital but declined to speak on cricket issues with the media.

    Despite being badgered by the media, Shoaib made it clear that he had no comments to make as he was a centrally contracted player with the Pakistan Cricket Board.

    This was a rare moment of discretion by a player renowned for his frequent off-hand remarks.

    The fast bowler, who has had a bad last few months and was not considered for the Sri Lanka tour or the Champions Trophy, also appeared fitter having shed considerable weight.

    Sources close to the bowler said he had had a long chat with Imran, who had advised him to not waste his last few years of international cricket and try to work hard to get back into the team and then go out with honour and pride.

    “Imran basically told him that if he gets back into the team and does well, everyone will forget his past and only remember the present. Imran told Shoaib he needs to work hard on his fitness,” the source said.

    Chief selector Iqbal Qasim has also made it clear that if Shoaib wanted to make a comeback to the Pakistan team, he needed to change his attitude and be more positive.

    “Shoaib can still play for Pakistan, provided he works hard on his fitness. But I think he also needs to work on improving his relations with the board,” Qasim said.

    The board seems willing to give the fast bowler another chance as it has completely played down the issue of a showcause notice issued to Shoaib in July for appearing on a television talk show without seeking a clearance.

    Shoaib is said to have apologised for his mistake, which pleased the board.

    “If Shoaib can improve his attitude, behaviour and be more disciplined and focused he is still an asset for the Pakistan team,” a former Test player at the function said.

  167. #167 by khansahab on September 6, 2009 - 9:41 AM


    Jang reports that a Pakistani player has been found guilty of match fixing in ICL. The player has not been named but it is likely to be either Hasan Raza or Imran Farhat.

  168. #168 by khansahab on September 6, 2009 - 9:47 AM

    Forbes reports these are the world’s top 10 earning cricketers:

    1) Dhoni
    2) Tendulkar
    3) Yuvraj
    4) Dravid
    5) Flintoff
    6) Ganguly
    7) Ponting

    8- Brett Lee
    9) Pieterson
    10) Michael Clarke

  169. #169 by Mohammed Munir on September 6, 2009 - 10:42 AM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL / Hahahah you are hilarious, specially when you are in ‘Ghussa’ 😉

    Koi Haseena Jab Rooth Jaati Hai Tu … Aur Bhee Haseen Ho Jaati Hai.
    Taishon Say Ghaari Jab Chhoot Jaati Hai Tu … Aik Do Teen Ho Jaati Hai.

    I have been missing this ‘teekhi-kataar’ type comments from you for sometime and I really enjoyed it.

    Although, I though Khansahab would also say something in defence of Musharraf or DNA, but you were even better.

    All your points are well taken 🙂

  170. #170 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 6, 2009 - 2:01 PM


    Yae haseenaon kay khowaab tum Sharjah may dekhtay ho
    Aur phir kabhee apnay aap ko aur kabhee Russians dekhtay ho


    Like Moin Akhtar’s Memon joke, when a Memon goes on a podium to deliver a speech, he had a policy of his own that he used to put a small candy in his mouth, when the candy melts in his mouth and disappears, his speech is also over. But, one day by mistake he puts a “sherwani ka button” in his mouth…….. so that was a “never-endum” sort of speech. Likewise, Imran when he talks about any player, be it Sami, Younus Khan and now Shoaib Akhtar he puts a sherwani ka button in his mouth and he got stuck there.

    For Imran it is very hard to retract his words because of his ego, he cannot take them back and keep on trying to justify his words. He should realize that what he says is NOT engraved in stone or in gold that cannot be changed. As a fast bowler himself he should know that Shaoib is over the hill not just his fitness but his age is the biggest factor, he cannot remain fit with that long run up. His playing career is over and it is a reality.

    He cannot change his attitude, its like taking away the stripes from a tiger or spots from a leopard. At this age he cannot be bent and changed to remain flexible. It is not like a rehabilitation program that a *druggie* can become very meticulous, methodical and sane after taking Methodone course. Even with all that treatment that person is not the same as he/she was before.

    So, by repeating his words again and again, Imran Khan shows his own immaturity. No wonder why he is not succeeding as a politician. There is a quote from Tom Peters or someone else I don’t remember his name but it says: “Every person reaches to his level of incompetence.” How true.


    That *druggie* hint is for our Pra Asaf.

  171. #171 by khansahab on September 6, 2009 - 3:44 PM

    Pak players involved in match fixing: Umar

    Karachi: In another sensational claim, former Pakistan batsman Qasim Umar has accused two senior cricketers of the national team of being involved in match fixing and using drugs.

    Umar, who has now turned to religion for solace, told the daily Jang newspaper on Sunday that he would disclose the names of the players at an appropriate time.

    “Right now I don’t want to take any names because both these players are influential persons and they can have me killed. I fear for my life,” Umar claimed.

    “I am silent now for some reasons but when the time comes I will unmask their faces,” he said.

    Incidentally, Umar was banned for life in the late 80s for accusing former captain Imran Khan and some other players of smuggling drugs in their kit bags to England.

    “I know one of these players has been involved in fixing matches while the other has used drugs,” Umar added.

    Umar had recently, on a television show, alleged that former West Indian great Sir Vivian Richards used recreational drugs on regular basis for relaxation and stamina enhancement.

    “I appeal to the Chief Justice of Pakistan to call me and hear me out because I know that when I speak the truth and reveal the names what will happen to me,” he said.

    “In the past also my career was destroyed because I dared to speak the truth. The Pakistan Cricket Board just to appease Imran destroyed my career and banned me without hearing my story,” he added.

    Umar had also appealed to the Chief Justice of Pakistan to help him get his job with a bank, which had sacked him after the PCB imposed life ban on him.

    “I feel cricketers who do things that are against the nation should be brought to justice and when the time comes I will play my role in this,” he said.

  172. #172 by Awas on September 6, 2009 - 6:40 PM

    Imran differs with Tendulkar

    Sachin Tendulkar’s idea of rejigging the ODI format doesn’t impress Pakistani great Imran Khan.

    Imran believes the 50-over game has its own charm and there is no need to tinker with it.

    “Every format of the sport has its own utility and charm and it is better not to try to change these formats,” said Imran, who is in Karachi on a two-day fund-raising campaign for his Shaukat Khanum cancer research hospital along with fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar.

    Tendulkar’s formula to revive ODIs

    “I don’t think the growing popularity of Twenty20 cricket poses any threat to Test or 50-over matches if the international calendar is balanced properly,” said the cricketer-turned-politician.

    Tendulkar had recently suggested splitting the 50-over matches into two innings of 25-overs each.

    Imran said after Test matches, ODIs provided toughest challenge for a players and the International Cricket Council or its member boards should not try to reduce the number of overs to 40 or less.

    “That will rob one-day matches of its real charm. Then it is better the ICC just focus on further popularising Twenty20 cricket,” Imran said.

    He, however, did not see any harm in the growing popularity of Twenty20 cricket since it filled the coffers and was good value for money for the spectators.

    “But at the same time no one should try to change the format of Test or one-day matches. Let them co-exist,” he said.

    Imran felt the Champions Trophy in South Africa would prove a success and remove any doubts over the future of 50-over cricket.

    Asked what he expected from the Pakistan team in the Champions Trophy, the former captain said he had not been following their progress or training but given that they had won the Twenty20 World Cup the team was capable of delivering anything.

    “I can only say, for sure, how Pakistan will fare in the Champions Trophy if I know how they are preparing. But we will only know about the strengths and weaknesses of the team once the preparations are complete,” he said.

  173. #173 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 6, 2009 - 8:19 PM

    Other than for fund raising for Shaukat Khanam hospital, does Imran Khan ever visit Karachi? For sure Nawaz Sharif or any of his party members every visit Karachi, in fact they hardly go out of Punjab and Tinda Nawaz has the audacity to claim he is elected by the nation. If his nation is only Punjab and not Pakistan then he should stay and claim as the leader of Punjab and not Pakistan.

  174. #174 by khansahab on September 6, 2009 - 10:14 PM

    Pak wants to play its WC matches in Sri Lanka

    The Pakistan Cricket Board would prefer to play its 2011 World Cup matches in Sri Lanka if its team is not allowed to play in India due to strained relations between the sub-continental neighbours.

    According to sources, PCB Chairman Ejaz Butt had indicated it to the ICC President David Morgan in their recent meeting in Dubai.

    India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are the three joint hosts of the World Cup as ICC and PCB have resolved their dispute over hosting of matches in Pakistan.

    Relations between India and Pakistan hit a low after the terror attacks in Mumbai last November which led to suspension of bilateral cricket ties.

    “The PCB believes the test case for the World Cup will come when the IPL-III will be held in March-April next year,” one source said.

    “If the Pakistan government allows its cricketers to play in the IPL then we should not have any problems sending our team to India for the World Cup matches,” the source said.

    The central organizing committee of the World Cup which no longer includes any Pakistani representative is due to finalize the schedule of matches and venues for the World Cup in November after which the PCB will know where its team has to play in the tournament.

  175. #175 by Awas on September 7, 2009 - 7:34 AM


    Good sensible points in both comments. I agree.

    The only thing is every time Shoaib has returned he has largely been a disappointment. But if he returns with full fitness like Bret Lee has in the ODI’s then there is no doubt Shoaib can be very useful.

  176. #176 by Awas on September 7, 2009 - 12:17 PM

    Sohail: Alam fanning groupism

    Aamer Sohail said the current Pakistan team is a house divided and accused national coach Intikhab Alam for that.

    The former captain said that Alam has introduced a culture of intrigue and bickering within the side.

    In an interview on Geo TV, Sohail said ever since Intikhab had been made the national team coach, bickering and internal politics had plagued the team.

    “I would just say that handling and coaching the Pakistan team is beyond someone like Intikhab Alam,” said Sohail, who recently quit as the Director of the National Cricket Academy in Lahore after developing differences with the Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board Ejaz Butt.

    Just two days ago, Sohail had launched a scathing attack on Butt, describing him as unfit to head the board and for making a mess of the 2011 World Cup issue with the International Cricket Council (ICC).

    Sohail said he had never supported the appointment of Intikhab as coach for a variety of reasons but it was the decision of the board Chairman to bring him in.

    “I have had experience of playing under Intikhab so I should know,” Sohail said.

    He said it was obvious there were problems in the team and Intikhab was responsible for this.

    Intikhab, however, dismissed Sohail’s accusations insisting it was the ranting of a jealous man.

    “I don’t care what anyone says. I am doing my job sincerely. I have a good relationship with the players and the board has full confidence in me,” he said.

    Sohail also said that Pakistan cricket affairs was in a bad state and Butt had miserably failed to handle things.

    “They are wrong decisions being made in the board and that is leading to all these problems,” he said.

    Sohail hoped someone from the government would take note and try to set things right in the board.

    He also called for the appointment of a younger man as coach of the national team which he felt had the potential to move ahead and become a top team.

  177. #177 by Awas on September 7, 2009 - 12:25 PM

    Bari to be made COO of PCB

    Former captain Wasim Bari’s appointment as the chief operating officer of the PCB is more or less certain.

    The Pakistan Cricket Board is all set to shortly announce it.

    Board chairman Ejaz Butt has decided to make Bari the COO after the governing council members sacked Saleem Altaf from the post earlier this month, sources in the board told PTI.

    Bari, who is working as Director (Human Resources) in the board, is already holding the post of COO since the sacking of Altaf.

    “All the indications are that Butt will get the required approval from the governing council members soon to make Bari the COO,” a source said.

    He said the members would be asked to pass a resolution to confirm Bari as the COO from his interim position.

    Butt was also interested in making Yawar Saeed the COO but he expressed his inability to take the position owing to his growing age and other commitments. Yawar will also steps down as manager of the Pakistan team after the upcoming Champions Trophy,” the source added.

    But former Test player and chief selector, Salahuddin Ahmed said on Sunday that if the board went ahead with its decision and appoints Bari as COO, nothing good for home cricket would going to happen.

    “You look at Bari’s track record as whenever he had occupied any key positions in the board, nothing good has happened. He was chief selector during the 2003 and 2007 World Cups and look what happened to team’s performance,” Salahuddin said.

    He pointed out that Bari had also picked the team for the recent tour of Sri Lanka as interim chief selector and the team ended up losing both the Test series and ODIs for the first time in Sri Lanka .

    Bari is completely incapable of handling such a big post and Ejaz Butt should not make this mistake. It will be bad for Pakistan cricket and things will get worse,” he added.

  178. #178 by Awas on September 7, 2009 - 12:32 PM

    Younis upbeat about CT success

    Pakistan cricket captain Younis Khan said the team is capable of winning the Champions Trophy in South Africa.

    But he also added that the players will have to play out of their skin to lift the coveted trophy.

    Younis said if all the players do their part and contribute as a team, chances are bright for the side to lift the title.

    “All the teams are equally balanced”

    “The sort of team we are at the moment, I don’t see any reason why we can’t repeat our Twenty20 World Cup success in the Champions Trophy,” he told reporters at the conclusion of the week-long conditioning camp in Lahore on Sunday.

    “But we have to give our best in all the matches, no matter whom we play — whether it is West Indies or India,” he said.

    The middle-order batsman said the Champions Trophy is a real test for all the eight participating teams and the competition would be tough.

    “All the teams are equally balanced so I don’t like to make any predictions, but in such a tight competition one bad day is enough to put a team out of the tournament. So we will have to play out of our skins in every match,” the skipper said.

    “Sessions with psychologist were very useful”

    The players underwent an intensive fitness regime during the camp and the board had even invited the foreign coach of the national football team George Kotten to lend useful tips to the players on how to improve their fitness.

    Younis said the camp proved beneficial in their preparations for the big tournament.

    “The sessions with the psychologist were very useful as it allows the players to realise their real potential and then try to play likewise.”

    The players after a week-long break will attend another conditioning camp from September 12 in which former captain and batting consultant Javed Miandad will work with them to hone their batting skills.

  179. #179 by Awas on September 7, 2009 - 12:34 PM

    Younis is making good noises these days, making sensible comments.

  180. #180 by Awas on September 7, 2009 - 3:25 PM

    “Lobby trying to oust me”

    Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam alleged that a particular lobby is running a smear campaign to oust him.

    However, Alam said he won’t get bogged down by the criticism.

    Intikhab told the Geo Super channel that there are some former players in the Pakistan Cricket Board who didn’t want to see him continue as coach.

    “These people, this lobby is running a campaign against me and trying to pressurise me. It is sad but I am not going to back down. I have been given a responsibility and I will fulfill it till the board Chairman has confidence in me,” Intikhab said.

    Former Test captain Aamer Sohail had yesterday accused Intikhab of formenting intrigue and groupings within the team.

    Intikhab, a former captain, said he didn’t have to prove his coaching credentials to anyone.

    “Pakistan has won two World Cups under my supervision and I was even invited to Indian Punjab to coach their team which reached the final in one season,” he said.

    “I have been coaching for a long time now and have my own academy. So no one should question my coaching credentials. I don’t think age is a bar to doing anything positive and constructive as long as one is fit and running around.”

    Intikhab, who was appointed coach last November, said he was focusing on preparations for the Champions Trophy now.

    “I don’t want to make anymore comments on those behind this lobby and lower myself to their level. Just let me do my job which is to see we try to win the Champions Trophy,” he said.

  181. #181 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 8, 2009 - 4:19 AM

    It is true that Wasim Bari is also a big time politician and he has damaged the team in the past whenever he held an important position in the PCB. I agree with Salahuddin that he is not capable of any responsible post.

    I also agree with Amir Sohail that Intekhab Alam must be removed from the coaching assignment ASAP. Both him and Yawar Saeed must NOT accompany the team to SA. Reportedly there are 7 PCB officials including BIG BUTT will be accompanying the team to SA and what will be their role? Haraam Tobi!

  182. #182 by Awas on September 8, 2009 - 9:12 PM

    Younus wants grassy pitches

    Pakistan captain Younus Khan has backed former Test skipper Javed Miandad’s idea of preparing bouncy pitches in the training camp.

    Younus on Tuesday said he agreed with Miandad’s idea to have bouncy pitches at the national stadium where the camp would be held from September 12 before the team leaves for South Africa on September 17 for the ICC Champions Trophy.

    “It is a good idea as it will only benefit the team in their build-up for the Champions Trophy,” Younus said.

    “The pitches and conditions in South Africa especially at the Wanderers and Centurion are difficult for players from the subcontinent and it takes them time to adjust. By having similar pitches in the camp the players can go to South Africa well prepared,” he added.

    The Pakistan captain’s remarks are in contrast to that of the national team coach Intikhab Alam who is not too keen on the idea.

    Miandad is the cricket advisor to the Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman and also batting consultant for the national and junior teams.

    “We play three matches in the qualifying stages including two against strong teams like India and Australia so we need to go there well prepared,” Younus said.

    Pakistan will play two warm up matches against Sri Lanka and a local side before the start of the Champions Trophy.

  183. #183 by khansahab on September 8, 2009 - 9:52 PM

    Nawaz Sharif faces murder inquiry

    Pakistan’s Supreme court is set to hear petitions seeking the prosecution of the main opposition leader, Nawaz Sharif, for murder.
    According to documents obtained by the BBC, the court will hear the accusations against Mr Sharif and then decide whether to pursue the charges.
    The petitions call for Mr Sharif’s arrest and prosecution.
    He has denied ordering the murder of an ex-army officer after an alleged political kickbacks deal turned sour.
    Nawaz Sharif, twice elected as Pakistan’s prime minister, has recently been acquitted of similar criminal charges by the Supreme Court.
    The court’s decision was made on 21 July but it is expected to begin its inquiries imminently.

    However, the main petitioner in the case, Shahid Orakzai, said that the court ruling was the vindication of a long struggle.
    “It has taken 12 years for the truth to prevail,” said Mr Orakzai.
    His brother, Maj Khalidsaeed Orakzai, was shot dead by unidentified gunmen in the northern town of Kohat in 1997.
    Shahid Orakzai, a freelance journalist, says his brother was murdered because he went public with a political kickbacks deal.
    The deal dates back to 1993 and allegedly involved Mr Sharif and senior party leaders.
    At that time Mr Orakzai arranged a deal between them and parliamentarians from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata).

  184. #184 by khansahab on September 8, 2009 - 9:58 PM

    Lawyers in Lahore:

    No joke, these Pakistani lawyers are thugs

    The Los Angeles Times

    Reporting from Lahore, Pakistan – Television reporter Shaheen Attique and his cameraman, Nasir Masood, were finishing a live shoot on the steps of a Lahore courthouse when the gang strode menacingly toward them.

    Before Attique and Masood could dart away, the thugs pounced. Fists rained down from every direction. Outnumbered 25 to two, the journalists could do nothing more than tense up and take it.

    “We’ll teach you a lesson!” Masood heard one of the attackers say just before someone thwacked him in the head with a club.

    What distinguished the onslaught from the everyday assault and battery in this chaotic city of 10 million was what the thugs were wearing: black suits, white button-down shirts and black ties. They were lawyers, meting out the kind of street justice you’d expect to see in a barrio back alley.

    And Attique and Masood’s crime? A day earlier, their channel, City-42, aired footage of a band of lawyers pummeling a Lahore police official outside the same courthouse.

    In a country in desperate need of heroes, Pakistan’s lawyers have been revered as the vanguard of the grass-roots movement that helped end the military rule of Gen. Pervez Musharraf and reinstate Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry after his illegal removal by Musharraf in 2007.

    In their trademark suits and ties, they kept returning to the streets to rally against Musharraf, undeterred by tear gas and beatings by police. During the violent protests last year, they were seen by Pakistani society as champions of democracy at a time when Musharraf had discarded the country’s constitution to safeguard his hold on power.

    But even though the lawyers movement still enjoys a lofty perch in Pakistani society, the recent spate of violence against journalists and police in Lahore threatens to tarnish the lawyers’ standing.

    Attique, who has been covering Lahore courts for 18 years, says the victory against Musharraf has been viewed by some lawyers, particularly young ones, as license to throw their weight around.

    “After the success of the movement, these young lawyers think they’re above the law,” Attique says. “They think they can say and do whatever they want.”

    Lahore police official Faqir Muhammad, who was attacked a day before Attique, says the assaults are far from isolated cases. Lawyers have a history of manhandling journalists and police, he says, but in the past the violence went unnoticed because it had never been caught on tape.

    “Their behavior has always been this way,” Muhammad says. “Before, nothing was done against these lawyers. My incident got TV coverage, that’s why charges were filed.”

    On July 29, 11 lawyers assaulted Muhammad, who had appeared in court that day on a case involving the alleged abduction of a girl. One of the lawyers was a relative of the girl and believed Muhammad had arrested the wrong man.

    When Muhammad walked out of the courthouse, the lawyers grabbed him, ripped his uniform and tried to drag him to a courthouse room they use to drink tea and relax.

    “I was alone, and there were so many of them,” Muhammad says. “They kept kicking and punching me, hitting me hard in the kidneys. I saw a crowd gathering and tried to move in that direction so that someone could rescue me.”

    Eventually, bystanders intervened. The 11 lawyers were arrested and charged in the attack. A City-42 TV crew taped the incident, and by that afternoon, the footage was broadcast throughout the country.

    The following day, Attique and Masood were attacked. “They came to us, shouting, ‘These are the journalists who took our pictures yesterday!’ ” says Attique, the courts reporter for City-42, a local network. “They were pulling and pushing and hitting us.”

    Attique and Masood managed to break free and run to their car. But when they drove off and stopped at a red light down the road, the lawyers converged on the car, flung open the doors and began pummeling Masood. One of them snatched his video camera and smashed it on the pavement.

    “They said, ‘You ran our pictures on TV, now we’re taking revenge,’ ” Masood says.

    The next day, he got a threatening call on his cellphone. Inside the City-42 offices, he replays the call. A male voice tells Masood: “Know your limits. Otherwise we will come down on you harder than we already have. We can do what we want with you.” When Masood asks who the caller is, the voice responds, “You know me from yesterday.”

    On Aug. 6, lawyers attacked television crews outside the Lahore High Court, pelting their vans with rocks and smashing a TV camera. Five days later, Faisalabad police official Riasat Ali was attacked after appearing at the courthouse to take a murder suspect into custody. When Ali left the building, the lawyers descended on him with punches and kicks. In the midst of the fracas, the defendant escaped.

    The cases have caught the attention of several leaders of the lawyers movement, who urged Lahore bar group officials to revoke the licenses of lawyers involved in the violence.

    “I cannot condemn these acts more vociferously,” says Munir Malik, a Karachi lawyer and a leading figure in the lawyers movement. “The bar associations have the responsibility of taking disciplinary action, and if they don’t, it will be fraught with consequences for the image and struggle of the legal fraternity.”

    Rana Zia, president of the Lahore Bar Assn., says his group has acted to suspend the licenses of lawyers identified as being involved in violence. But he stresses that these were the actions of a few rogue lawyers.

    “So one or two or three people are responsible for these kinds of incidents,” Zia says. “But I don’t think the whole [association] is involved.”

    So it seems some people are realising that Afthakar Choudhary’s right hand men are all a bunch of paindoo thugs.

  185. #185 by khansahab on September 8, 2009 - 10:03 PM

    We have seen the pic of Lahore lawyers. Let us now remind ourselves of how PML Nawaz supporters and Afthakar Choudhary’s supporters also look like:

    Please observe the similarity amongst the “thugs” whose pics have been taken by Los Angeles Times in the above article, and then these pics. I am sorry to offend some people but every single one of them looks like typical paindoo and a thug. Chief Justice Choudhary doesn’t look too different, unfortunately.

    I am not pointing a finger at all Lahoris and I know some nice people from Lahore like Awas. But Lahoris often tell me that I am unlucky not to visit their city because Lahoris are very hospitable people and they are very high-spirited and happy-go-lucky. I am sorry but if Lahore features people like those in these 3 pictures, then I don’t want to go to Lahore.

  186. #186 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 8, 2009 - 10:45 PM


    I have have read that news in today’s DAWN and I was wondering how they can prepare a grassy and bouncy wicket in such a short time and whether it would be as effective as it is in SA? One may say something is better than nothing, but anything done at the eleventh hour, imo is not going to be that effective. They should have thought about it before and made those pitches for the bowlers to practice and for the batsmen to get acquainted with the bounce. Still, one cannot be sure if the bounce would be same as SA pitches.

  187. #187 by Awas on September 9, 2009 - 12:29 PM

    Bhajji involved in ‘slapgate’ again

    Harbhajan Singh today found himself in a fresh controversy after jabbing at a photographer at the Bangalore International Airport.

    The feisty off-spinner, who very often finds himself in the news for all the wrong reasons, jabbed at a cameraman after the camera had hit him on the head while he was taking his luggage out from a car before entering the airport.

    Harbhajan gave an angry stare at the cameraman even as a security personnel tried to push back the hordes of lensmen who had virtually mobbed the cricketer.

    The 29-year-old Punjab spinner has a rather dubious disciplinary record, having been penalised for various offences during his career.

    Harbhajan was accused of racially abusing Australian all-rounder Andrew Symonds in Sydney and the 2007 ‘monkey-gate’ incident snowballed into a major crisis, threatening to tear apart the cricketing world.

    In the same year, Harbhajan was banned for the remaining Indian Premier League matches after the infamous ‘slap-gate’, which saw him slapping his India teammate S Sreesanth in Mohali.

    After the ‘slap-gate’ incident, Harbhajan had promised to mend his way and keep a check on his temper.

  188. #188 by Awas on September 9, 2009 - 12:34 PM

    India captaincy interests Harbhajan

    A coy Virender Sehwag does not want to lead the Indian cricket team but his feisty teammate Harbhajan Sigh does.

    Sehwag has already informed the selectors about his reluctance and requested them to groom someone for future.

    Harbhajan, on his part, said incumbent Mahendra Singh Dhoni is doing an excellent job at the helm but he made no bones about his own ambition, saying he would not shy away if Team India captaincy ever comes his way.

  189. #189 by Varun Suri on September 9, 2009 - 4:52 PM

    Maybe sometimes journalists need to leave these guys alone…

    Live Video of Slapgate II

  190. #190 by khansahab on September 9, 2009 - 7:29 PM

    Ali Azmat is a Pakistani singer who is originally from Punjab, but he lives in Karachi. He recently said the following in an interview and his views have upset a lot of people:

    “I support Musharraf because in his tenure a lot of development was seen in the country. Pakistanis have this slave mentality and Musharraf tried to get us out of this slave mentality. Also I do not belong to MQM but I will vote for them in the next election because they are Haq Parast people and they have done a lot of work for the city. Since I am a resident of this city I will vote for the party that has done the most work in this city”.

  191. #191 by Awas on September 9, 2009 - 7:53 PM


    Why “his views have upset a lot of people”? Is there anything strange he said here? I don’t get it.

    Some people like Mush and what he did, some don’t. It is just as some like Nawaz/Zardari, some don’t.

  192. #192 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 9, 2009 - 8:51 PM


    “I am agree” with you. The journalists try to push them to the brink and then these guys react. No one likes that, everyone needs some space and privacy. They are stalkers and irritate celebrities and take pictures and create stories to sell – i.e., cheap journalism. Unfortunately this is getting more and more popular in the media business, be it tabloids, radio or TV they are all just the same. And, I am sorry to say that even I hate that kinda journalism.

  193. #193 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 9, 2009 - 8:56 PM


    I think what khansahab is trying to imply here is that singer is originally a Punjabi and most Punjabis don’t speak against Punjab they stick to the regional bias and there are not many people who think like him or you. For e.g., a few days ago at a gathering people were saying DNA created chaos in Pakistani cricket. I said but, “Ijaz Butt is screwing the PCB” and one Punjabi guy said, “Khair hai, Butt Apnai Banda Aie.” I asked him what he means by that, he said, “DNA tou BC Musharaf ka banda thaa.” So, there you go. And, this is not just a case in isolation but generally that is the reaction.

  194. #194 by Awas on September 9, 2009 - 9:32 PM


    I remember you mentioning that incident a couple of threads ago 🙂

    There shouldn’t really be a Punjabi or non-Punjabi issue in who you like and who you don’t. A lot of it comes down to personal perceptions.

    When Mush won a landslide victory in presidential elections there would have been masses of Punjabis who voted for him. Later peoples perceptions changed then that’s a different matter as nothing lasts for ever. Even popular leaders like Z A Bhutto, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair etc couldn’t sustain their popularity forever. People turn against good leaders after a few years and for that matter leaders change too.

  195. #195 by khansahab on September 9, 2009 - 9:50 PM


    The irony of course is that what Zardari and Nawaz Sharif have looted is in front of everyone’s eyes. And despite the crimes and controversies Nawaz Sharif has been involved with, such as mass corruption, nepotism, Karachi military operation, regional politics, the sacking of a Chief Justice and the attacking the Supreme Court building etc, he is still the most popular leader in Pakistan.

  196. #196 by khansahab on September 9, 2009 - 10:05 PM

    A few days ago I was watching a short interview on ARY of MQM minister Babar Ghouri. He made some intelligent points. The reason I have started focusing a lot on MQM in my comments nowadays is because I had a deep resentment for them until some time ago but as I am growing up and learning more about Pakistan I feel compelled to be more balanced and fair in my views. This is the gist of what he said:

    1) Pakistan will not survive unless the centre in Islamabad promotes nationalism instead of provincialism.

    2) The most patriotic Pakistanis are those who left their houses, families and friends in India and migrated to Pakistan to start a new life. They did not come to Pakistan to be called “tillyar” or “muterwaa” or “bhaiyya”.

    3) MQM tried to develop villages and towns in interior Sindh but the locals did not let them enter their areas because they did not trust MQM and did not like Urdu Speakers.

    4) Pakistan’s regression commenced after ZA Bhutto’s Constitution which promoted the quota system in education, armed forces, bureaucracy, healthcare etc. This was to curtail the development and dominance of Urdu Speakers. As a result Pakistan suffered because the culture of meritocracy deteriorated.

    5) He also said, “I don’t support dictatorship but you can look at Pakistan’s history and see in whose era most development occurred- Ayub Khan and Musharraf. Also, these are the only 2 leaders in whose time free and fair elections were conducted in Pakistan. Otherwise elections have always been rigged”.

    There was another person being interviewed, a Karachi journalist and he said, “I have many contacts at universities in Karachi. Even now there are people who practise this quota system. Bright Urdu Speaking boys applying for medical schools are rejected whereas the relative or friend of some Sindhi Wadera gets accepted, although he has half the calibre.”

  197. #197 by Awas on September 9, 2009 - 10:42 PM


    Nawaz Sharif may be popular now and that too mainly because he is (wrongly) seen as an alternative, he wont be for much longer. Just as Zardari came to power with popular vote be it sympathy for BB but the honeymoon seems to be over. Same will happen to Nawaz Sharif as history has shown us before. He was chosen by the masses again and again then discarded. One thing is sure – voters are fickle.

  198. #198 by Awas on September 10, 2009 - 2:07 PM

    “Bad show may cost contracts”

    PCB chairman Ejaz Butt said the Board is not ready to compromise with anyone who is not performing well.

    The PCB is working to devise a pool of players keeping an eye on the 2011 World Cup.

    Butt, also a former cricketer, made it clear that any player, including senior members of the team, who is not performing may even lose their central contracts.

    “Our main priority is to prepare a pool of top players for the 2011 World Cup and we are not going to make any compromise in this direction. The players, if don’t perform, even if they are the seniors, will have to go,” Butt said during an interview.

    The PCB Chairman also advised fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar to work hard in order to cement his place in the national squad.

    Hard work is essential now

    “Shoaib Akhtar also has to start working hard on his fitness and force his way back into the team. Whether he is selected or not in the team has to be decided by the national selection committee. But he must be playing for Pakistan to retain his contract,” Butt said.

    Akhtar, struggling with his fitness, was sidelined for the recent Test series in Sri Lanka and also for the Champions Trophy. Despite having category A contract, he has played a handful of matches since 2007 due to disciplinary and fitness related issues.

    Butt stated that in the next few months new contracts would be given to the players but only after thorough evaluation of their performances.

    Pakistani players get paid monthly salaries in different categories under a performance and seniority-based grading system.

    The top category players can get paid Rs 250,000 per month besides match fees and other bonuses and incentives.

    Younis praised

    Butt also praised the leadership skills of Younis Khan.

    What I like about Younis is that he is willing to accept responsibility. He is always upfront for his players. He leads by example,” Butt said.

    The PCB Chairman also praised the positive attitude of senior batsman Muhammad Yousuf and said, “From what I have seen and noticed, Yousuf is a very positive influence on the team and that is good because the team needs such senior players to set examples for the younger lot.

    Surly that would mean good-bye to Malik and Misbah soon if they can’t perform. If ever there was such thing as politics of “deliberate underperforming”, it would back-fire. Butt Saab has only praised two deserving top players.

    Khansahab, didn’t I say so 🙂

  199. #199 by Awas on September 10, 2009 - 2:16 PM

    Cuban cigar for Warnie’s birthday

    Former Australian leg-spinner Shane Warne will celebrate his birthday with a bottle of Polish vodka, a Cuban cigar and Hollywood superstar Uma Thurman.

    The Rajasthan Royals skipper will turn 40 on Sunday.
    Humm…Uma Thurman and a Cuban cigar – a tempting combination 🙂

  200. #200 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on September 11, 2009 - 2:15 AM

    Hmmm… a more tempting combination Awas, a pipe & … LOL

  201. #201 by Awas on September 11, 2009 - 4:01 PM

    “& …” Uma Thurman?

  202. #202 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on September 11, 2009 - 4:18 PM

    Awas, in ure dreams!! lol I was talking about reality not make belief hehehe

  203. #203 by Awas on September 11, 2009 - 4:23 PM

    Dreams can come true, you know.

  204. #204 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on September 11, 2009 - 5:58 PM

    LOL, then keep dreaming 😛

  205. #205 by khansahab on September 11, 2009 - 6:42 PM

    I may retire if I don’t fire in Champ Trophy: Afridi

    Karachi: Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi on Thursday said he is raring to perform at the forthcoming Champions Trophy in South Africa.

    Afridi, who played a key role in Pakistan’s title win at the World Twenty20 championship, said he wants to give his best for the Champions Trophy that gets underway from September 22.

    “A lot depends on my performance in the Champions Trophy in South Africa and I am looking forward to this tough event,” said Afridi, who was promoted as Pakistan’s Twenty20 captain following his heroics in England.

    He also replaced Misbah-ul-Haq as the Pakistan vice-captain for Tests and one-dayers, in which Younis Khan leads the country.

    “If I am not that successful in Champions Trophy, then I may consider quitting the game for good,” he said.

    Pakistan is bracketed with Australia, India and West Indies in Pool A of the elite eight-nation tournament.

  206. #206 by khansahab on September 12, 2009 - 10:25 AM

    Musharraf saved Pakistan from international alienation post 9/11 : Najam Sethi

    Lahore, Sep.12 (ANI): A well-known Pakistani journalist believes that former President General Pervez Musharraf had done the right thing by supporting the United States in its ‘was on terror’ after the 9/11 terror attacks, and therefore saved Pakistan from being alienated internationally.

    Speaking during a television programme, Daily Times Editor-in-Chief Najam Sethi said Musharraf saved Pakistan from being isolated by joining the international coalition against terrorism.

    India could have allied with the US if former president Pervez Musharraf had refused to join the war on terror after the September 11 attacks,” Sethi said.

    Commenting on the A Q Khan issue, Sethi again supported Musharraf’s actions during the nuclear proliferation controversy saying: “The former president had rescued the country’s nuclear programme by sacrificing Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan over the issue of illegal nuclear proliferation.”

    He revealed that several Pakistani politicians maintained close links with Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden.

    Sethi also disclosed that Musharraf had sent a delegation of religious scholars to Afghanistan to convince the Taliban to expel Al Qaeda and its leadership after Washington told Islamabad to ascertain whether it supported its struggle against Al-Qaeda or not.

    Tell us are you with us or not,” former US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage had asked then Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Director General Mahmood Ahmad, Sethi added. (ANI)

  207. #207 by khansahab on September 12, 2009 - 10:35 AM


    Domestic batsman Saeed Bin Nasir has said in his recent interview that he has not been selected for the national team because the selectors have been considering factors other than merit.

  208. #208 by khansahab on September 12, 2009 - 10:55 AM

    Afridi helps team into decider

    KARACHI: Pakistan’s Twenty20 captain and enterprising all-rounder Shahid Afridi helped Irfanullah Burki XI reach the final of the 6th Dreamworld Floodlit Cricket Tournament 2009 being held at the resort’s cricket stadium. Shahid didn’t get too many runs but he picked a couple of wickets in quick succession to enable Irfanullah Burki XI edge out Khurram Sarwar XI by six runs in the closely fought semifinal in which young Test fast bowler Sohail Khan also played for the winning side. In the other semifinal, Shah Faisal Sports defeated Nafees Shaikh XI by 10 runs. The final, between Irfanullah Burki XI and Shah Faisal Sports, will be staged on Friday night. A total of 32 teams entered the competition, played on knockout basis.

  209. #209 by Awas on September 12, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    India got a rollicking against SL in the triangular series today winning by 139 runs. Sanath Jayasuriya with 98 and Mathews who bagged 6 for did the main damage.

  210. #210 by khansahab on September 12, 2009 - 5:09 PM


    Yes, I was surprised too at that result. Don’t know whether it is because of India’s complacency after the win against NZ, or because like India, SL are also improving in form and becoming a more mentally strong team.

  211. #211 by khansahab on September 12, 2009 - 5:21 PM

    Afridi has shocked a lot of people after saying that he might retire if he cannot perform in the CT. I don’t know whether he is doing this to evoke a similar action from Malik or Misbah.

    This is the time when Pakistan does not need a player like Afridi to say these things. That is because Afridi is in his best bowling form ever and his batting is changing for the better, too. He needs to stay and keep on playing as Pakistan needs his leadership qualities.

    Younis is focusing on the positive ahead of the CT, which is good I suppose. One thing is for sure that Pakistan will have to perform outstandingly to beat the likes of India and Australia. The way Pakistan normally perform, that cannot produce a likeable result. They will have to score over 250 if batting first, for example. And then they need to field well and put pressure on the opposition. That is why Afridi is a key player, because he can play a part in all 3 departments- he can score 20-30 runs at a good strike rate, field well and then take a few wickets too. Younis and Yousuf are good batsmen but Younis is not that consistent in ODI’s whereas Yousuf always plays the same way- he needs more support from other batsmen. Hence in my opinion the key for Pakistan will be the openers (Imran Nazir, Akmal, Malik) and then, the lower order (Afridi etc). These players will have to be consistent and the problem is that most of them are unreliable, like Nazir or Malik.

    Sri Lanka and India are both getting very good practice before the CT by playing in this Compaq Cup. In fact all teams except Pakistan, West Indies and South Africa are playing international cricket at the moment. I don’t know what kind of planning Younis is doing but I don’t see Pakistan going past the preliminary stage, unless they play like a team and Malik and Misbah don’t play politics.

  212. #212 by Awas on September 12, 2009 - 6:01 PM


    I don’t think Malik and Misbah can play politics. It is detrimental to their own cause, not any other player’s. As Butt Saab has also said senior players do have to perform otherwise they would be discarded. It is true these two seem to have got more chances than most but that could be because of their experience and seniority but then a time comes when one has to realise enough is enough. Had a youngster performed like that, no matter from which part of the country, he would have been discarded much earlier. We have already seen that when some of the youngster were recently tried as openers.

  213. #213 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 13, 2009 - 12:42 AM

    The World Champions of ODI or, rated as Number 1 in ODI lasted only 24 hour 14 minutes on the ICC rankings table. Then they were bundled out very cheaply and lost the match to SL by 139 runs, a huge margin by any standards. I witnessed the match and the way the Indians got out was pathetic it was reminiscent of Pakistani batting line up on a day when they are in a hurry to get out and go home asap.

    For Tendulkar it was a very soft dismissal, Dravid after playing so well played a reckless shot and got bowled, Dhoni did the same thing in fact he was totally out of sorts and out of form 8 runs from 18 balls and then dragged the ball on to the wickets. Yuvraj Singh, Pathan and Raina played zero shots, I mean there was no one who played like a class player. Mathews bagged 6 wickets and was laughing at his achievement, perhaps he couldn’t believe himself that he could get so many wickets.

    Anyways, it is a good jolt for India and they must consider it as a wake up call and play like pros on Monday i.e., the final. Sri Lanka may not be so good as they were today especially Jayasuriya, Kandamby and Methews were outstanding but, they may not repeat an encore. Hence it depends on how Dilshan, Sangakara and Jayawardene play on Monday. For Sri Lanka it may not be a piece of cake like today, it is quite likely that they may end up losing the final i.e., if they get complacent.

    Mendis was sparsely used and I don’t understand this SL strategy of saving him for a big occasion. If he is caught between Yuvraj and Yousuf Pathan when they are on song then Mendis will definitely remain on the sidelines.

    All good teams are playing ODI practice matches: Aus vs. England 7 ODI’s in England, India, Sri Lanka and New Zealand are playing in Sri Lanka. I don’t know for what reasons SA is not playing. West Indies are themselves to be blamed for the trivial politics and Pakistan? They are like a Mother in Law, no one wants to go there and play. They should have gone to SA and played a few matches with the home team before the CT starts, but I guess they preferred to stay home during Ramadan.

  214. #214 by newguy30 on September 13, 2009 - 2:00 AM

    Hi Guys,

    I think there was betting involved in today’s match between Ind and SL, there is not other explanation for the huge difference. SL is certainly a good team and they can beat anyone any day, most certainly India. I don’t understand how Jayasurya ran into form so quickly, one thing is that he plays really well against India, like they said on Cricinfo he is like that movie villian who never dies and keeps coming back, I still remember last Asia cup final and what he did to India before Mendis ran through the batting line up.

    But … having said all that, I suspect betting, a match that no one cares about and has no influence whatsoever on the final outcome, what better situation for bookies, give the home team a huge win and everyone go home happy cash rich.

    May be I am wrong, but this result sure smells bad.

  215. #215 by khansahab on September 13, 2009 - 8:13 AM


    Betting although unlikely, is a definite possibility. Most of the bookies are from Mumbai and I am not convinced that the ICC’s Anti Corruption Unit is 100% effective.

    Pakistan plays like how India played most of the times, and match fixing has definitely been a feature of Pakistan’s cricket history. If you look at the sheer number of batting collapses Pakistan suffers, you feel there is more to it than meets the eye.

  216. #216 by khansahab on September 13, 2009 - 8:19 AM

    Miandad wants 200% commitment from players

    Sunday, September 13, 2009
    By By our correspondent
    KARACHI: Javed Miandad wants Pakistan’s players to finish a five-day preparatory camp for the ICC Champions Trophy that got underway here at the National Stadium on Saturday after achieving vast improvement in their style, stamina and technique.

    Most coaches would argue that it is impossible to achieve much from such a brief exercise but the former Pakistan captain, who has been installed as the national team’s batting consultant, believes otherwise.

    “You can bring massive improvement within a few days provided there is a will,” he told ‘The News’. “What you want is a series of tough training sessions with the focus on curbing your weaknesses,” he added.

    Miandad was given the task to help Pakistan’s misfiring batters after the national team crashed to Test and one-day series defeats in Sri Lanka earlier this summer. Pakistan’s poor batting was largely blamed for the defeats.

    Pakistan’s cricketers attended a conditioning camp in Lahore earlier this month and have now started cricket training for the Champions Trophy which gets underway in South Africa on September 22.

    The team management has decided to begin the training sessions at 6.45 in the evening and then wind it up by midnight with a 90-minute break for Iftar.

    Miandad, however, is pushing for an early start as he wants the players to sweat it out in the heat before leaving for the South African safari.

    “I have a simple logic,” he said. “Only by toiling hard in the sun can you be ready for the rigours of international cricket. You need 200 per cent commitment from the players,” he stressed.

    Miandad, who is Pakistan’s most successful batsman in Test history, said that he would talk to the batsmen about the flaws in their batting and then try to help remove them.

    He believes that most of their problems will be solved by batting on bouncy wickets in the nets.

    “Once they bat for long hours on those grassy wickets with ample bounce, I’m sure they would be ready for South African conditions.”

    Miandad had floated the idea of having bouncy tracks with ample grass for the training camp. He received complete support from Pakistan captain Younis Khan, who said that his team’s batsmen will really benefit from such pitches.

    Meanwhile, Younis told reporters just before the start of the training camp that Pakistan will go all out for the Champions Trophy crown. “It is one of my greatest desires to help Pakistan win this title,” he said.

  217. #217 by khansahab on September 13, 2009 - 8:27 AM

    Musharraf still leads race with 83% polls

    SHR Jahfery

    Islamabad—Despite his retirement as President of Pakistan Musharraf is still favoured and respected by the enlightened segment of Pakistani society.

    An interesting and latest development in this regard initiated by Pakistan Alert while arranging on line opinion polls, “Who should be the President of Pakistan,” here Saturday. Musharraf while giving an unexpected surprise to the viewers got 83% votes in two hours polling while others could not go beyond 15% a highest number polled in favour of Imran Khan.

    Only 2% vote casted in favour of sitting President of Pakistan Asif Zardari, whereas Mian Nawaz Sharif was anxiously awaiting for online vote. Imran was able to get only 14% votes as Qazi Hussain Ahmed could also manage to score only 2 % whereas Molana Fazalur-Rehman could not even a single vote.

    Though such opinion polls are not criteria for any change in the formation of the Government but these opinions definitely depict the general trend of the public and predict the opinion of the masses.

    All those leading some think tanks and intellectuals derived their opinion and predict the future tone and behavior of the political set up and the country.

    In this particular case More than a year has elapsed that Musharraf left the stage and still enjoying the official protocol in all the countries including the immediate neighbouring countries.

    He being state forward soldier of the Armed forces is a soft spoken and deliver impressive speeches unlike others who hide and camouflage themselves according to the environment always speak diplomatically.

    He is never surrounded by the sloganeers after his retirement and speaks wholeheartedly to the media as and when asked.

    He is quite a wise soldier who is just going through a transitory period to meet the constitutional obligations.

  218. #218 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 13, 2009 - 12:20 PM


    There is no such thing as 200% commitment, all you can give is what you have and that is 100% anyways, there is no need for a debate on this subject, but Miandad is Miandad.


    I doubt if there is any betting involved because, everyone knows about the consequences if they are caught accepting bribes or taking money in any form. And, with CT around the corner, no one would take the risk and there is betting without risk. So, I rule out this possibility in this match. It was a sheer bad performance by Indian batsmen and that’s it.

    But, tomorrow if India loses I will be surprised, I am 100% sure they will win. I dunno if Murali is ruled out for this series or he is simply taking a break for the final? I am not following the media reports these days due to pressure of work. Even if he plays its not gonna stop India from winning.

  219. #219 by Awas on September 13, 2009 - 3:00 PM


    I doubt if there is any betting involved because, everyone knows about the consequences”.

    It was a sheer bad performance by Indian batsmen and that’s it

    I totally agree with you here.

    After the fate of Hansie Cronje, Azharu-Din, Salim Malik etc, no one is going to venture into this territory so foolishly. Besides, ICC’s Anti Corruption Unit is not some Mickey Mouse people out of India and Pakistan who will get bought themselves rather than crackdown on culprits. There are some very experienced professional people in there. It’s not such a difficult thing to find out for them if some players suddenly stumble upon some riches.

    I guess some people like Newguy just cannot digest a bad performance of their team and some like khansahab are just naturally suspicious. 🙂

  220. #220 by newguy30 on September 13, 2009 - 3:05 PM


    I don’t know how you can say Ind will win tomorrow 100%, on the other hand, I can say almost 100% SL will win. That is because odds are stacked heavily against Ind. In a bilateral series between these two countries India has the edge, they won last two series. But in a final with the current form SL is in, I cannot see how this India team will defeat them. Without settled opening combination of Gambhir/Sehwag they have very less chance. If you look back in recent times, whenever India won a match it is because of a good opening stand, or when at least one of the openers make a good score. Middle order is brittle without a good opening stand, if they have to face pressure this middle order will crumble. Bowling is ever worse, Nehra, RP and Ishant are at best mediocre. SL will stem roll them in final.

  221. #221 by newguy30 on September 13, 2009 - 3:12 PM


    It’s not because I cannot digest the bad performance of my team, I know they are very much capable of lousy performance like that, one just need to look back at T20 WC and the Asia cup final. I was following the reports on betting in recent series in SL and Pak, so naturally thought may be there is some connection, also some of my friends were thinking same way. But I think you and Javed are right, the consequences of getting caught outweigh any benefit.

    I am still perplexed about the Mathews six wickets, and how Sanath found form suddenly. I am suspicious even when people from my team does things likes this, for instance, how Sunil Gavaskar scored an ODI hundred in his penultimate match and that too at a brisk rate is still a mystery, I suspect foul play there too. And there is still the theory of Wasim pulling out of Ind-Pak Qtr final in 96 WC.

  222. #222 by Awas on September 13, 2009 - 3:47 PM


    Also, it would be pertinent to add that following the reports on betting in recent series in SL and Pak, ICC Unit categorically gave “all clear” that there was no betting involved. If there were still suspicions they would have kept quiet rather than give an “all clear”.

    However, I can accept some of your suspicions like Wasim Akram pulling out of that match at the last minute and that is because corruption had not been fully eradicated at that stage. One can make someone seemingly bowl better than he is, like Mathews for instance, as all you have to do is to tell a batsman to loose wicket at his bowling. One could easily say that Kumble’s 10 against Pakistan in that innings was fishy. I however don’t believe in that, its just that Kumble bowled well and Pakistanis batted poorly against him.

    However, you cannot make someone bat better by offering money as there is no guarantee that a first ball or next ball could be peach of a delivery. People can even get out on an ordinary delivery. As a matter of fact batting poorly from a very good batsman can be considered a sign of corruption not batting well.

  223. #223 by Awas on September 13, 2009 - 3:49 PM

    On “Musharraf’s popularity” here, didn’t I say in post 209 above that during his landslide victory in presidential elections there would have been masses of Punjabis who voted for him as well. I guess this poll is representative of masses too.

    So, insinuation that only Nawaz Sharif is popular amongst most Punjabis is nothing but just that. When ZA Bhutto and BB won landslide victories it was because of their popularity all over the country not just in one or two provinces. In Pakistan politics it’s the popularity of a figurehead that commands votes not so much regionalism.

  224. #224 by khansahab on September 13, 2009 - 3:57 PM


    Whereas I agree that winning a general elections means getting votes from all provinces, I disagree totally with this statement that Nawaz Sharif is popular outside Punjab, too. Outside Punjab Sharif is like how Altaf Hussein is like outside Karachi- a hated figure who only has support amongst a very small minority. When Sharif’s party won 2 general elections, NWFP voted for the religious party Islami Ittehad and Karachi/Hyderabad and some regions of Sindh voted for MQM. So, Sharif did not become PM because of his support outside Punjab, but because provincial parties formed a coalition with him. PML N is the 2nd biggest party definitely, but outside Punjab it has no support. For example MQM has a seat in Azad Kashmir assembly, but PML N has no seat outside Punjab. When people say that the “Muslim League” has support outside Punjab they are referring to the Q League and other small factions of Muslim League, but definitely not the N League.

    The majority of leaders you see from PML N are uncouth, Punjabi supremacists and I cannot imagine Pathans, Baluchis or Sindhis voting for them. If you compare the leaders of Q League with the N League, you do see a difference (although both parties are predominantly Punjab based). Q League leaders are more tolerant, secular, pliant and inclined to form coalitions with others.

  225. #225 by Awas on September 13, 2009 - 4:07 PM


    I never meant to suggest that Nawaz Sharif is popular outside Punjab.

    By my mention of “So, insinuation that only Nawaz Sharif is popular amongst most Punjabis is nothing but just that”. What I meant was that this Musharraf’s poll is representative of masses too ie those masses must have included Punjabis. Musharraf is not a regional figurehead like Altaf Hussein.

  226. #226 by khansahab on September 13, 2009 - 4:28 PM


    It is true Musharraf is not a regional figurehead like Hussein, but I don’t think he can ever become a PM without the support of MQM. His policies, if you think about it, are almost identical of MQM’s: pro minority, secular, anti terrorism, enlightened moderation, promotion of middle class etc.

    Sadly it is many Punjabis who consider Musharraf to be a regional figurehead. It depends how you see the situation. Apart from you and 1 or 2 other people, every Punjabi I know hates Musharraf. And apart from 1 or 2 other Urdu Speakers that I know, Musharraf is generally perceived to be the best leader by Urdu Speakers. Pakistan has a rich history of ethnic division- whether that is which Bacha Khan and Pushtoonistan before Partition, Baluchistan and Iran, Karachi and MQM, Sindh based nationalist parties that want independence from Punjab, or more recently Nawaz Sharif’s party and the lawyers’ movement etc. So this is a fact that even if most of us don’t admit it, we often see things in ethnic perspectives, perhaps subconsciously.

  227. #227 by khansahab on September 13, 2009 - 4:33 PM

    And by the way, I used to think Musharraf was a Punjabi because his accent has a Punjabi twang. But I always supported him from day 1 because of his policies. It didn’t matter to me what his background was. But, the first time me and my family got to know about Musharraf’s background was in a Punjabi’s house who was abusing Musharraf and calling him names.

    I don’t know if I have mentioned this incident before- if I have, apologies for the repetition.

  228. #228 by Awas on September 13, 2009 - 4:54 PM


    No, I don’t see things in ethnic perspectives actually and my belief is majority don’t either.

    Musharraf’s landslide victory in presidential election was evidence that majority, which cannot be without Punjabis, did like him. He may be less popular now but that happens in Pakistan politics. That happens elsewhere as well after years of rule, like it did with Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair. Both Bhuttos were once popular throughout Pakistan but then it changed. It changed not because of ethnic perspective but because of their policies, corruption and incompetence.

    It’s the personalities that become magnate of attention for all in the country. Agreed that there are some smaller regional parties and their politics are more ethnic based or at least started like that to begin with but, I think, you are mixing the two issues.
    Khansahab, I too realised much later about Musharraf’s background (without knowing whether he was Punjabi or not) but it didn’t change my perspective about him. Even General Kiyani, I didn’t know until recently when it was mentioned here, I think, that he is a Punjabi. I do not see it necessary to find out the ethnic backgrounds; only what the Pakistani is like as a person.

  229. #229 by khansahab on September 13, 2009 - 9:06 PM


    Yes- India does rely very heavily on Sehwag. In those ODI’s India has won when Sehwag is playing, he averages 46 and in those India has lost, he averages only 22. So, he is truly a match winner.

    Same goes for Gambhir- averages 44 in matches won and 22 in matches lost. I think this has been the best opening combination for India over the past 2 or 3 decades.

  230. #230 by Shoaib on September 14, 2009 - 1:37 AM

    Finally Musheref baa Saudia got the deal. the deal which was happily welcomed by Mr ‘Sarkari’ but the weirdo thing is now Mr Sarkari cock suckers including Altaf (Bhai Great Britain Walay)are blaming Nawaz Shareef for this deal. Govt. Correspondent told that Mr Sarkari un kareeb phir aik aur Sarkari doray per jeldi nikeley gey.

    Keb hamari Qomm jagey gee????? today prime minister Mr gelaani said that Nation should be make there self ready for the crises of Employment, water, electricity…….you cant be serious lalluu kuttay………….from last years nation is suffering from such crises and you are just wake up, wow! we have a problem.

  231. #231 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2009 - 2:17 AM


    Na ghora dooor na maidaan dooor, its a matter of few hours from now so lets see who emerges as winners. SL do not have the nerves to play on big occasion and that is why I can say with confidence that India will win tomorrow.

    As regards Wasim Akram, aNO that is not a theory its a fact he pulled out 15 minutes before the game and reportedly he got one crore and forty lakh rupees for that. And, Mathews was bowling straight on to the wickets Dravid was clean bowled and Dhoni dragged the ball on to the stumps, Y Pathan had no clue how the ball touched his glove and went in to the hands of Sangakar. As regards, Raina and Yuvraj they both played a silly shot.

    And what has Sanath Jayasuriya’s form got to do with betting? He is one of those players who can get out cheaply or destroy the opposition and yesterday was one of those days.

    Aur Gavaskar ki tou baat hee aur hai, he is the only guy who opened the innings in a 60 over match in the first WC in England, remained not out and scored only 36 runs. He was a test player and that’s it, ODI is not his cuppa tea.

  232. #232 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2009 - 2:19 AM


    I am unable to comprehend your comments, could you please clarify or explain more in detail? Thanks.

  233. #233 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2009 - 2:25 AM

    When khansahab posted that news on LS about Shahid Afridi’s retirement, I did not respond to that news because I knew that its a hoax. And, now it is confirmed that it is a hoax.


    ‘I have no plans of giving up the game after that. In fact, I am enjoying the game more than ever now.’

    KARACHI: Pakistan vice-captain Shahid Afridi on Saturday denied he had any plans of quitting the game in case he failed to perform in the forthcoming Champions Trophy event, scheduled to commence from the 23rd of this month.

    Categorically denying reports appearing in the press which quoted him as saying that he may quit the game if he flopped during the mega event in South Africa, Afridi said he had no such plans and was determined to do well in the Trophy matches.

    ‘I never said any such thing to anyone on Friday as reported in the press,’ he said rather annoyingly.

    ‘I am a mature, professional cricketer who fully fathoms the trends and experiences the game has to offer. Obviously, I want to do well in the Champions Trophy which is like a mini World Cup with all top teams participating, and will be disappointed if I fail to deliver during the event. But I have no plans of giving up the game after that. In fact, I am enjoying the game more than ever now.’

    The charismatic all-rounder added that no player wanted to hang around for long if he was not succeeding at the top level and he was no different.

    ‘Of course, when you are not performing at the top level you do feel awful and think about taking a break or calling it a day. But by the grace of God, I have successfully overcome my lean patches in the past and have come back stronger. This time too, I am determined to perform at my best and will Inshallah help Pakistan win the trophy,’ Afridi concluded.

  234. #234 by Awas on September 14, 2009 - 12:39 PM


    It looks like Javed’s “100% sure” prediction is coming true. India are on course for +300. Malinga the Salinga and Baw Mendis are being hammered by Tendulkar.

  235. #235 by Awas on September 14, 2009 - 12:42 PM

    Whilst talking about the players in the conditioning camp, Miandad mentions on Cricinfo:

    Miandad said that the problem with Pakistan batsmen was that some of them hadn’t mastered the basics of batting yet. “Some of them play strokes while running at the crease and some leave the stumps to hit a ball which are flaws and I am doing my best to tell them the basics.”

    Khansahab, any idea who is he referring to? Malik or some of the youngsters? I’m not sure but I think Malik has this tendency to “play strokes while running at the crease”.

  236. #236 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2009 - 1:10 PM


    India has given a target of 320. Do you still expect SL to win this match? I am so happy that Mendis and Malinga both were hammered by Tendulkar, especially Mendis but, the only thing I didn’t like is Tendulkar gave away his wicket to him by repeating the reverse sweep for the third time. In any case it was some batting from him to bring back Mendis to ground, because he was thinking that he is unplayable. Between Mendis and Malinga they gave 151 runs in 20 overs.

    The highest total chased on this ground was 269 so India is way ahead and it is a humongous task for Sri Lanka to chase and win. I don’t think Jayasuriya can repeat his performance, it will rest on their middle order Sangakar and Jayawardene to do the job but, both are not as aggressive as Jayasuriya and or, Dilshan. I would say SL will reach a maximum of 260 that’s the best they can do, so the Cup belongs to India. Lets see.

  237. #237 by newguy30 on September 14, 2009 - 2:43 PM

    Javed, Awas:

    Game is still on between IND and SL, I am glad to see Ind put up a good score, good to see Tendulkar come good in a final, he has been correcting his final mistakes over the past couple of seasons and coming up with good innings. Liek you guys I too am really happy to see Malinga and Mendis getting a hammering, esp Mendis.

    But .. as I feared, Dilshan and Sanath has given them a roaring start, Dilshan especially is turning out oto be another Sehwag, he gives such a momentum to their innings that it becomes easier for middle order to play.

    I think SL has the right strategy, to win this game they have to get off to a great run rate in the beginning because the pitch will slow down later on, they have done it, but now lost a few wickets, everything is not lost though since all they need is under 6 runs an over now. With Sanga and a couple more batsmen still to come, it is game on.

    Indians will not have this easy, I think it will go either way still, it’s a question of who can hold their nerves.

  238. #238 by Pawan on September 14, 2009 - 4:23 PM

    If India has to develop into world-beaters then they have to have good fast and accurate bowlers. Bowling at slow medium or medium is OK, but at least oen or two should be fast, really fast and accurate bowlers. In spinning department also India has consistently produced good quality players. Batsmen is not a problem at all for India. The only thing missing is this fast bowling department. How long will you hide it? Come on guys, isn’t it obvious that there is no f*%#+?g fast bowler in the whole nation???
    What are the NCA and other BCCI academies doing?
    How long are you going to rely on spinners and batsmen to play out of their skins and win?

    Nehra Sharma and RP Singh have frankly looked thrid grade in this series. They need pace in their bowling, arn’t they supposed to be PACE bowlers???

  239. #239 by Pawan on September 14, 2009 - 4:30 PM

    Nehra should be kicked out

  240. #240 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2009 - 6:07 PM

    Hello there, newguy

    Where are you?

    I was wrong in saying SL will score 260 because they scored 273, well not that big difference in fact India could have got them under 250 if catches were not dropped and run outs were not missed. Anyways, I was 100% sure that India will win and they did.

    I agree with Pawan that India’s fast bowling looked pretty mediocre, Ishant Sharma’s first spell was pathetic and he is responsible for letting Dilshan off the hook. RP nearly got jayasuriya when he was 16 but, Kohli dropped a sitter.

    What happened to Zaheer Khan? And, Irfan Pathan could be useful in situations like this whereas his bro is out of form in both departments. I dunno if these two are in the squad or not?

  241. #241 by Awas on September 14, 2009 - 6:08 PM

    Hey Pawan, relax… India won easily.

  242. #242 by khansahab on September 14, 2009 - 6:48 PM

    In my opinion the reason why India won today is because its 3 best batsmen were batting at numbers 1, 2 and 3.

  243. #243 by newguy30 on September 14, 2009 - 6:56 PM


    I am glad you were right and I was wrong, sometimes when you are a neutral (like you are in this instance) it becomes easier to see things. If you recall I said here on this forum on the eve of T20 final between PAK and SL that Pakistan will win, many of you had your doubts. Today, toss was the critical thing, once they put up runs on board it became easier, but still they gave away way too much, dropped catches, fielded poorly, and SL was in the hunt until the very end. But then it’s too hard always when you are chasing a big total.

    I agree with Pawan and you about fast bowling dept, these guys (RP, Nehra, Ishant) and pretty mediocre, I said last night too.

    My next post is about that.

    This series is not much value anyway, let’s look forward to CT.

  244. #244 by newguy30 on September 14, 2009 - 7:13 PM

    This is in response to posts from Pawan and Javed about Indian pace bowlers.

    I have finally found the answer to why India cannot develop good fast bowlers, it has nothing to do with coaching or academies, it has to do with Indians not wanting to do good honest hard work that is needed to be a fast bowler. Being a fast bowler is like becoming a race horse, it’s hard to get there and it’s hard to stay there. You need to be athletic, energetic, ready to do the body breaking hard work, and in the end be prepared that your carrer will last less than a batsman. But the reward is outstanding if you do that. Allen Donald gave a great interview on this recently in Cricinfo. BTW, I rate Donald as one of the very best fast bowlers ever, along with Malcolm Marshall.

    Sadly I don’t think many Indians are good atheletes, and all of them want to be batsmen anyay, because that is the glorified work. There is plenty of examples and role models for batsmen, but for fast bowling hardly any, there was one Kapil Dev, even he gave up being fast after first couple of years and focused on line and length, then there was a Srinath, he too never had the body fitness needed. Zaheer is okay, but he is not very fast either. Ishant has the potential if he developed his body and worked harder, but he got rich too fast thanks to IPL and success went to his head. Same situation happened to Sohail Tanveer, he had the potential, but gave it away. Ishant though is a better test bowler than he is in ODI. Same goes for Zaheer. I don’t have much opinion on Irfan Pathan, his brother Yousuf is preferred because of his big hitting (when it comes off) abilitues. Irfan has no pace, and he bowls dibbly dobbly stuff that gets carted away. Praveeen Kumar may be better. The thing is all of these guys are good when conditions favor them, like in England or South Africa. But you need to be like Mitchel Johnson, Brett Lee, or the South Africans, fast and accurate. It’s not easy, you need to do a lot of hard work and your body will ache to your bones at the end of the day. Indians don’t have it in them, sorry to say this, but it’s the truth, besides why bother when you can get IPL millions by bowling dibbly dobblies? There is satisfaction in bowling fast, when you win matches and blow out an entire ballting line up there is a rush, but you just need to do the hard work.

    Let’s change topic and talk about Pakistani fast bowlers for a bit. I talked about Sohail Tanveer, he had the goods but failed to develop it and deliver it. Among the current crop, Mohammed Aamer (sp?) looks good, but he needs to be developed. Umar Gul is good, but he needs bit more pace and he need to be a better test bowler.

    During the 90’s Pakistan produced a number of quality fast bowlers, most famous among them being the two W’s. Wasim and Waqar got there by doing sheer hard work, they must have bowled thousands of deliveries in the nets to get their bowling perfect, they were hugely successfully, but to make my point compared Wasim and Waqar’s career to someone like Tendulkar, Waqar and he made their debuts around same time, Waqar had to retire due to injuries and Tendulkar still keeps going, who will a yougster growing up in India try to emulate?

    But I would prefer to have a career like Waqar, to be respected and feared by batsmen all over the world, no matter how short your career is, and to win matches for your country when you get the rhythm right. That is the satisfaction of being a fast bowler.

    However, I don’t think many Indians posses than qualities, so long as they don’t they will never becomes number one and stay number one. They are among the top three teams today in both ODI and Tests, they may remain so in ODI for some more time, in tests as soon as Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, and Sehwag retires they will no longer be even in top 5.

  245. #245 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2009 - 9:03 PM


    your assessment and evaluation of Indian and Pakistani fast bowlers is right and I will reply to you in detail later.

  246. #246 by Awas on September 14, 2009 - 9:13 PM


    Very good post on fast bowling.

    Personally, when watching cricket, I love the sight of a bowler ripping through a side. For me there is nothing like it. Some of the names you mentioned like Donald, two W’s and Marshall when they were on song they created ripples. I also like bowlers with wonderful natural rhythm and action and the best exponent of that was Michael Holding. David Gower recently paid an accolade to him in a programme on Caribbean cricket “he had a smooth breeze like graceful run-up and action, simply magical“. In the spin department there was nothing like Abdul Qadir when it came to action and that’s why he was called “a magician” even though Warne, Murali, Kumble etc have been better statistically.

    You summed up India’s bowling woes quite well. Indo Pak philosophy is – less excretion the better (you just have to look at Inzi here). They cannot have work ethics of Donald, Brett Lee, McGrath, Courtney Walsh etc. That is why slower bowlers like Bedi, Parsanna, Chanderashekar etc have been more successful.

  247. #247 by khansahab on September 14, 2009 - 10:02 PM


    I agree. The best ones are those that can rip through sides, just like the best batsmen are those that can dominate the opposition too when they are batting and make big scores.

    Umar Gul is talented but he needs to work much harder to come into the Waqar and Wasim category. I think in 60 ODI’s Gul only has 1 five wicket haul, whereas Waqar took a five wicket haul in every 20 matches or so. That is the difference between the 2 bowlers.

    The decline in the standard of fast bowling can be gauged by this- Waqar was miles better than Gul, and Gul is miles better than any other established bowler at the moment (Arafat, Rao, Rana etc).

  248. #248 by khansahab on September 14, 2009 - 10:07 PM


    Your assessment is correct to a huge extent. Look at Sri Lanka where the body make up of players is a lot like India’s and you can see that SL has only produced 1 world class pacer in Vaas, and even he was more like a medium pacer and not as potent as the 2 W’s or Lee/Steyn etc.
    I also agree with you that the most potential was seen in Ishant Sharma. Age is definitely on his side and he can become a great but he needs to put the hours in the nets.

    A strange case are these West Indies fast bowlers like Best, Edwards and Taylor. They can bowl at 90mph consistently but they are too inconsistent in line and length. I think they have lost out due to poor coaching. Plus, although the pace is there, the swing, rhythm and yorkers are not.

    If India wants to become the no 1 side, Zaheer Khan needs to play regularly and he needs to keep picking up top order wickets. Plus, India also needs Ishant in form. If these 2 bowlers bowl to their potential, India can reach the no 1 spot. But with injuries and dips in form, it is unlikely it will happen.

  249. #249 by Pawan on September 15, 2009 - 12:56 AM

    I ve seen a lot of whinners who keep on saying that Sachin Tendulkar is not a finals guy. In other words, he chokes in finals be it tri-series or any other ODI series. Here is a good stat provided by Cricinfo to prove them wrong.

    Sachin is definitely the finals man!

  250. #250 by khansahab on September 15, 2009 - 8:03 PM

    According to Jang, Ahmed Shahzad and Sohail Tanvir misbehaved with the umpire in the Ramzan T20 tournament being played at Karachi. Many international players are playing in that tournament.

  251. #251 by khansahab on September 15, 2009 - 8:09 PM


    Regarding whom Miandad is talking about, I think Fawad Alam walks across his stumps whilst batting. I don’t have a problem with him doing that as long as he is making runs. If he was playing like Misbah who does stupid things to get out then it would be a concern. But I know shifting about on the crease does not look professional and is not considered technical.

  252. #252 by khansahab on September 15, 2009 - 8:19 PM

    ICC nominations have been finalised. To me it seems Strauss should not have been nominated. Although he averages 53 this year I don’t think he deserves to be in the categories of best Test batsman and player of the year.

  253. #253 by Awas on September 15, 2009 - 8:20 PM


    I don’t know whether Miandad was specifically referring to Fawad. What he actually said was this:

    “Some of them play strokes while running at the crease and some leave the stumps to hit a ball which are flaws and I am doing my best to tell them the basics.”

  254. #254 by khansahab on September 15, 2009 - 9:33 PM


    The country that has the most search hits for sexy actress Katrina Kaif is Pakistan.

    LOL she thanked the people of Pakistan and said, “I have hardly been there and it is nice to know that they like me”.

    I wonder how she will feel if she knows what kind of pics people search for and in what way they like her. Apart from an attractive face and body, she has nothing. I feel sorry for her kind of.

  255. #255 by Pawan on September 15, 2009 - 11:09 PM


    I think the Ashes test series has been given lot more importance than any other test series. For example, even West Indies and Bangladesh had test series. Frankly did you find it to be as covered and talked about as Ashes? Agreed it is the oldest test series, but is it fair to the other countries? I liked Andy Flowers approach of not making a big deal out of beating this Australian team by open bus rally and all. Grow up, its just a test series, its not a world series. There are other better teams out there.

  256. #256 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2009 - 1:32 AM

    I think what Miandad is talking about moving is basically shuffling side ways i.e., batsmen move a lot on the leg side to make room and, get some width and hit the ball on the off-side. I noticed this first time when Salim Malik used to do this. In my opinion it is rather foolish to do that because, number one, you are exposing your stumps and secondly, you are giving the bowler a chance to bowl slightly outside the off stump or aim at the stumps. In that case it is either a dot ball or a clean bowled if the ball is on the dot. So, I consider it as a foolish idea.

    I wasn’t expecting from Sachin Tendulkar the shot he played yesterday after hitting a good straight six of Mendis, his first reverse sweep was excellent, the second one was so, so and the next ball he tried the same shot and got out LBW. He became too complacent and predictable. Although Mendis was shocked and turned pale and was whistling but, he kept his cool and attacked the stumps, the ball was low and Sachin missed the third time and paid the price. I think it was 44th or 45th over and had he remained on the crease he could have gone closer to a double hundred.

    When I used to play, we used to move on the opposite side of what today’s batsmen are doing, we used to move on the off-side and pull the ball on the leg side or over the square leg umpire and trust me it is much easier to play on the on-side than it is on the off-side. You can even hook a full toss or a bouncer for a six. Hitting a six on the off-side over the point boundary or extra cover region is rather difficult.

    Having said all this I think if one stays motionless and let the bowler worry about you and then you hit the ball according to the merit, that way you are more successful. Remember Yuvraj Singh hit those 6 sixes against England in SA, he did not move an inch, he stood firm and then played his shots, poor Stuart Broad had no clue where to bowl. So, Miandad is right about giving advise to players to stay in the crease and not move sideways or walk towards the bowler. Robin Uthappa used to walk and he has walked a long way now and I think his career is over.

  257. #257 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2009 - 1:48 AM


    If all the North Zone or South Zone players make a team sans the big names of Tendulkar, Dravid, Dhoni, Yuvraj etc. to represent team India and play against Bangladesh, do you think any Indian would have any kinda interest in that test match? Honestly speaking I won’t be bothered. In fact, I lost interest in the recent IPL that was played in SA and I did not watch it on TV or even bothered to check the scores on cricinfo. Because, not only Pakistani players but, a lot of other well known international players were missing. And playing a local Indian tournament in South Africa was a bit farcical and ludicrous.

    As it is the West Indies side is dying and now, there is no Lara or Viv Richards, or Marshall, Andy Roberts etc., and those who make some difference like, Gayle, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Sarwan were missing and the team that played against Bangladesh was like a club level team. So, who was interested in watching them play a test series? And why would anyone cover that sub-standard series when the two best test teams are playing at that time i.e., England and Australia.

    Australia has been the top test team, top ODI team and England’s rating in ODI is abysmal but, they are good in test matches, especially when they play at home they play well. Historically the English and Australian fans love watching the Ashes series and they do enjoy it. If, India Pakistan play something like that, they too will attract a lot of people. In Pakistan all the matches may not be houseful but in India they will be for sure. Even if played in England there will be a houseful and sold out event.

    I don’t know why you are so bitter about the Ashes? And, I dunno to whom you are saying ” Grow up, its just a test series, its not a world series. There are other better teams out there.” ???

  258. #258 by Varun Suri on September 16, 2009 - 2:59 AM


    Interesting point about walking or shuffling across the crease as has been advised my Miandad but on the other hand there have been few batsmen who have been succesful because of their constant movement across the crease most notably Lara who had a raised bat stance like Border, Hick, Kambli, Jadeja e.t.c and also Ganguly who did step out of the crease more than any other Indian Batsmen at that time and usually he was quite succesful in converting them into sixes. I always liked his sixes more than any other Indian Batsmens it had a certain kind of rhythm in it something like what maybe Inzamam brought to the Pakistan Team with his slow lazy golf like heaves which resulted in quick flat sixes..but returning to the original point i think in both Lara and Ganguly their head remain straight and still when they went through their shot unlike players like Utthapa who would so lazily and predictably walk down the pitch or MynameisYPmynicknameisYP who would just heave across the pitch blindly as if he is paid to broom the streets of Baroda!!

    I think you can move or shuffle across the pitch as long as you are able to maintain the centre of gravity (or balance in simple terms)of your body and for that keeping your head and body in a stable position is very important. Also a lot depends on what state of the match or innnings a player is. In a 20-20 one can go bang-bang from the beginning in other forms patience pays and if normally once the player has some kind of confidence and runs behind him he would go for such risks as stepping out of the crease or just shuffle across to confuse the bowler.

    I am in the agree for stepping out of the crease but i have never really understood the concept of ‘shuffling across the crease concept’ What kind of advantage does it give it to the batsmen?

  259. #259 by Awas on September 16, 2009 - 10:15 AM

    Malik ready to open the innings

    Shoaib Malik is ready to take on the role of an opener in the ICC Champions Trophy but wants an extended run.

    “I have no problems opening the innings. I have done it before. But I don’t want to be tried in this position for just two or three matches. I want to be given a proper chance for 10 to 12 matches,” the former Pakistan captain told the media on Tuesday.

    The Pakistani selectors have picked just one specialist opener, Imran Nazir, in their 15-member squad for the Champions Trophy and are preparing to try out wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal and Malik in the makeshift role.

    Malik insisted that opening the innings was a specialist’s job and anyone doing it should have a peace of mind that he would be given a proper run to prove himself.

    “If I get to open in 10 to 12 matches then I can prove myself. I will feel comfortable in the role and I can carry on opening the innings in the future also,” the experienced campaigner said.

    Malik said people doubting his place in the team were mistaken as he was very much in form and would also prove himself as an opener if given the challenge.

    “I struggled a bit in Sri Lanka but I am not out of form and I am confident of doing well in the Champions Trophy. I am well accustomed to the conditions in South Africa,” he said.

    Malik who was replaced as captain by Younus Khan earlier this year after a one-day home series loss to Sri Lanka said Pakistan’s batting has to click if they are to win the title.

    “I know pace bowlers will have an important role to play in the tournament because of the conditions. But I know from experience that the batting is the most important thing while playing in South Africa. If our batting clicks we can win the competition,” he said.

    Malik said consistent batting would be the key to success in the eight-nation tournament starting from September 22.

    “The team whose batsmen adjust well to the conditions in South Africa will fare well. I don’t think they are any starting favorites in the tournament which is wide open as all teams are equally balanced,” he said.

    Malik who led Pakistan to the Twenty20 World Cup final in South Africa in 2007 said once the tournament got underway favourites would emerge.

    He also disagreed that Pakistan’s lack of international exposure compared to other teams before the tournament would affect its performance.

    “I don’t think so because we are professionals and we have been training hard. The Sri Lanka tour was a long and hard one and we are prepared for the Champions Trophy challenge,” he added.

    The Pakistan training camp for the tournament winds up on Wednesday with the team leaving on Thursday for Johannesburg.
    Oh my God – he wants to open for at least 10-12 matches!!!

    I don’t think we are going to see the back of him pretty soon.

  260. #260 by Varun Suri on September 16, 2009 - 2:20 PM

    Following is an interesting insight to Sehwag’s technique taken from the interview on Cricinfo. He is one player who would instantly testify to what Miandad says as in not to move a lot in the crease even if it is at the expense of one’s footwork(atleast in his case):-

    ” Were there instances where coaches or senior players tried to change something in your batting?

    There were a lot of players who gave me suggestions when I was young. At times they were very good suggestions and I took them seriously, applied them to my batting and got success after that. I will give you a very good example. Mr [Sunil] Gavaskar asked me why I stood on the leg stump. Instead, why didn’t I stand on the middle stump because if I did that I would cover more area. He said, in any case I did not move my feet, so if I’m on leg stump then I’m too far from deliveries outside the off stump, and risk nicking them. But if I stand on the middle, I’m in a better position to play the delivery. This was around 2006, when England came to play India

    The same thing was pointed out by Mr [Kris] Srikkanth, who even suggested I stand on the off stump because I’m very good on the on side and I can pick the ball easily off the pads. According to him, if I’m standing on middle and off and my front leg goes across, the impact will be outside off and I will negate the lbw factor. Also, I have lots of time to play the shot.

    So now, depending on the wicket I change the guard: if the wicket is flat then I can manage to stand on the off stump, because nobody wants to bowl into my body as I will easily hit them for fours. So they will pitch it outside off. And if the wicket is doing a little bit, I stand on the middle stump. And I have tried these things straight in a game and never in the nets. ”

    I think this underlines the importance of knowing how to take the proper guard adjusting to the different situations..

  261. #261 by Awas on September 16, 2009 - 2:31 PM


    Sehwag is a brave man to say “I have tried these things straight in a game and never in the nets”. Then again he is a class act.

  262. #262 by newguy30 on September 16, 2009 - 4:49 PM

    I read the interview excerpt from Malik on Cricinfo, I couldn’t believe it when he said he needs to be given 10-12 chance as an opener, he will not be satisfied with 2-3 chances. What a bunch of baloney! He has the audacity to say that. Shame on him and shame on the national selectors who allow this kind of thinking. An international player should be able to come in to the team and perform with just 2 or 3 chances at the most, if not, place should go to someone else.

    The top 4 teams in ODI today are SA, Aus, Ind, SL, in no particular order. None of them will persist with a player for 10-12 matches to get success unless it is a temporary loss of form of an established player. Look at how Rahul Dravid got pushed into opener’s role in the recent match against SL, Dinesh Karthik was given 2 chances to succeed, he did not, so the management went with Dravid, I don’t he had a lot of choice either but to accept and try to be successful, if not next series his place would have went to someone else.

    Pakistan selectors should push out the non performers and give chance to others to succeed, when there is constant pressure for their role, everyone will start performing. This is the only way to make sure players are not becoming complacent.

  263. #263 by Awas on September 16, 2009 - 5:28 PM


    Quite right!

    I had posted the same interview in the post 280 above and expressed surprise. Obviously, Malik knows that he is not performing well and it seems being mindful of his deficiency he has the audacity to demand a guarantee of his place whether he continues to fail or not as an opener.

  264. #264 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2009 - 9:08 PM

    Malik is using a double edged sword, one he knows that his place is not guaranteed because of the poor form and two, he is trying to create support from his fans that he should be given a chance to open the innings. Sure, give him a chance and if he fails in two or three matches, don’t just change the openers, drop that idiot from the team and let him sit in his living room and watch the matches on TV.

  265. #265 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2009 - 9:22 PM


    Shuffling is more like bluffing in a poker game, whereas a poker face is supposed to be more successful IF he doesn’t show his emotions and intentions and stays calm. I don’t remember Lara moving 2-3 feet away from the leg stump. Raising your bat and shuffling legs within one feet is reasonable, but definitely not exposing your stumps by moving away 2-3 feet, even if the ball goes to the keeper between the leg stump and the pads it is still not a wide, so its more of a wasted delivery from the batting side point of view. Therefore, I think it is better not to disclose your intentions and let the bowler wonder what you will do. I am not sure if you have heard Yuvraj’s interview after he hit those 6 sixes, he said, I stayed calm and did not move an inch and changed my position after the ball was released that didn’t give the bowler any chance to predict or change his line and length.

    I saw Ricky Ponting playing a shot in the last ODI (when he scored a hundred) first he leaned back and then suddenly went forward like a cheetah and got under the ball and smashed it for a six. No one knew how he would play that ball, even Botham was commenting on how he played that amazing shot, first he made some room and saw the bowler changing his length he went under it and lifted it over long on for a six.

  266. #266 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2009 - 9:29 PM


    The other day David Lloyd and Ian Botham were discussing on TV about, which two top teams will qualify and move ahead from each group?

    They both agreed that Australia and India, South Africa and New Zealand.

    Although Pakistan’s name was mentioned that, there might be a slight possibility of their sneaking in if they beat India. And, they were saying that Pakistan are notoriously slow starters but there is hardly any time or matches left for them to qualify therefore, India and Australia are favourites from their group.

    Similarly they don’t dispute SA but, between Sri Lanka and New Zealand they think that New Zealand have an edge.


    I think we need to start a new thread on this. khansahab kya khayal hai?

  267. #267 by Pawan on September 16, 2009 - 10:40 PM


    Going by the standards displayed by Australia and England in the ODI series, I pretty much doubt the class in both the teams, except for a few such as Clarke, Ponting. The series itself is so substandard. Recently Shane Warne made a comment that since Aussies are winning the ODI series hands down, the wrong team won the Ashes. To me this Ashes was a fight between two substandard teams. I think even a Bangladesh team can beat this Australia team who is beating the English team you-name-where.

  268. #268 by Awas on September 16, 2009 - 11:06 PM


    What do you mean by “first he made some room”? You mean “A room” 🙂

    Ian Botham other than been able to speak a few words of English and I mean a few like “shot”, “that’s out”, “it’s a four” can scarcely make long sentences but worse his voice is so dull that I would have Waqar commentating any time than hear Botham’s boring voice. Despite Waqar’s bloopers, at least his voice is easier to the ears.

  269. #269 by Awas on September 17, 2009 - 12:43 PM

    Intikhab said today he was not worried about having just one specialist opener in Imran Nazir in the side for the South African conditions.

    “Kamran Akmal has now been opening regularly for us and we have also mentally prepared Shoaib Malik to fill in this role. But playing a makeshift opener gives us more options in the late order,” he pointed out.

    So, I guess Kamran Akmal is the first option as an opener.

  270. #270 by Pawan on September 17, 2009 - 9:57 PM


    In response to your question as to why I am not so happy with Ashes being given so much importance, I would like to tell you that I am not the only one. Today’s news says it all; Big furore in SA about the ICC awards — They question the sanctity of the awards — Are the awards really ICC awards or are they Ashes awards?

    Apart from that, the way I look at it is — Why is England so very interested ONLY in Ashes? Going by their performance it looks like World cup is not as important to them as the Ashes. I don’t think that is the case with an India-Pakistan match or series for that matter. We value the world cup more than anything else. Look at the feeble performance from England in the current ODI series — 6-0 is the scoreline right now. They seemed to have really let their hair down after the Ashes!

    Can you imagine what kind of security would be needed to keep the Indian/Pakistani players alive is we have such kind of scoreline in an ODI series between the two countries?

  271. #271 by Pawan on September 17, 2009 - 10:05 PM

    Javed, Khansahab, and Awas

    I was just wondering what are the parameters that make a winning combination for an ODI team in today’s cricketing world. I cameup with the following pointers which are necessary. I would like to add more as and when I get a chance. Your views are appreciated.

    1. A good team/winning team must posses a batting firepower that successfully chases 300+ target. No matter how much you score while batting first, the real character of the batting line-up is tested while chasing a target. Among the CT teams, I think the following pass this test — SA: 90% chance (but depends upon how big the game is, they surely choke), India: 80% chance, Sri-Lanka: 70% chance (needs top order to fire), Pakistan: 60% chance (needs Afridi to fire, no doubt), Australia: 50% chance (need Ponting or Clarke to fire). The rest of the teams have chance less than 10% to make 300+ runs consistently chasing. In other words I don’t think other teams can induce that fear in the minds of the opposition that these top teams do.

  272. #272 by newguy30 on September 17, 2009 - 10:45 PM

    Hi Pawan,

    You are overestimated SA capability to chase 300+ runs. They have not done so consistently apart from a couple of matches here and there. The key is however not to let the opposition score that many, but when they do sometimes no matter what, then top teams should have ability to go about chasing. I don’t think SA is so much of a top team notwithstanding their ICC rankings, in fact I don’t think there is clearly a top team today in either Test or ODI, any of the top 3 or 4 teams can defeat each other depending on conditions. The Australian domination when players like Gilchrist, Hayden, McGrath, Warne, and Waugh were in the team is gone, much like the West Indies team that had Richards, Marshal, Garner, Holding, Greenidge, Haynes.

  273. #273 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2009 - 12:41 AM


    What do you mean by “first he made some room”? You mean “A room” 🙂

    Of course Awas, I missed the “A” to remember Pra Waqqa.

  274. #274 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2009 - 12:53 AM

    If Australia wins the 7th ODI, there will be 2 world records. I. No team has ever won 7-0 and 2. No team has ever lost 7-0. The way Australians are playing against England in this ODI series, it appears they have stamped their authority, but the point to remember is England is a sub-standard ODI team not only the big two’s Freddie and Patty but Collingwood is also missing. Even Stuart Broad is injured now. So, England has to compete against West Indies and Bangladesh.

    As regards Pawan‘s comment about chasing 300, he rates SA as number one and India number two. Even Sri Lanka is good at chasing. I would rate them higher than SA, because SA has the knack of choking in big games. I would certainly rate Australia and India as two top teams, because of India’s batting line up and Australia’s over all performance i.e., batting, bowling and fielding.

    Pakistan can surprise any team but, we are talking of consistency and that is what is lacking in that team.

    About the furor over ICC awards, I have never paid any importance to their awards or even their rankings. And, SA is appearing like a cry baby here. They should not worry about it.

  275. #275 by newguy30 on September 18, 2009 - 1:25 AM


    Regarding your comment on the impending 7-0 loss and the world record, when England last toured India they were beaten 5-0 but the series in fact was supposed to be a 7 match series, two matches washed out or got abandoned (It may be the Mumbai attack). Indians dominated England that time like the Aussies are doing to them now. The difference of course if Australians are doing it in England. But to balance things, England had their best player, Kevin Peterson on the India tour. Anyhow, England is doing what they do best, losing to Australia pathetically, and Australia is doing what they do best, winning against England emphatically. Ashes was an anomaly. In fact England played poorly in the test series are still won, that shows how badly Australia played.

    Regarding ability to chase, I agree SL has the ability, Pakistan can do it if one of the players like Younis Khan get a big hundred. In fact, Younis did this twice against India two years back. But he seems to have lost that form since then. Among others, sadly none of the current Pakistanis come anywhere near the mighty batsmen of the past.

    It seems like every team goes through one or two era when they have match winners at will, Pakistan had it in the 90’s, each one of the players like Javed Miandad, Salim Malik, Saeed Anwar, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, Inzi, Afridi, etc could matches single hand. Amazing to think all of these great players played together more or less. Similar to the Australian team I mentioned earlier, of Gilchrist, Hayden, Waugh, Warne, McGrath, Ponting, etc and the West Indies team of 80’s and early 90’s were greats.

    India had the great batting line up just a couple of years back when Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, and Sehwag, and Kumble played together, they lacked one more bowler to match Kumble, and if they did they could have won a series in Australia in 2003-04 against Steve Waugh’s mighty Australian team. They could have been great if they had one genuine fast bowler.

    But coming to South Africa, they are a good team, very efficient, talented, and process oriented, but can they equal the great Australian, or West Indians, no a chance. In fact none of the South Africans can be called greats, they are very very good, but not greats. That is going to be the difference.

    As of now no team boasts such greats, so that is why I think the rankings will keep rotating, and they are meaningless to me anyway, the true champion team will do so by winning the ODI World Cup, and by winning Test series in all major test playing countries.

  276. #276 by Pawan on September 18, 2009 - 5:22 AM

    Newguy, Javed

    The reason I rated SA so high was —

    They have all the right ingredients for chasing a big score:

    1. Dashing openers — Smith and Gibbs
    2. Stable but agressive middle order — Kallis, Amla, Prince
    3. Excellent lower middle which works under pressure — AB Devillers
    4. Great finishers — Boucher, Botha, Albie Morkel

  277. #277 by Shahriar Hyder on September 18, 2009 - 11:22 AM

    Nice write-up mate. Keep it up. I have also blogged about the ICC Champions Trophy Cricket Tournament in 2009 ………………………… and here I am.

  278. #278 by Awas on September 18, 2009 - 12:40 PM

    The news is that Andrew Flintoff will help coach the UAE national team while he recovers from his latest operation in Dubai.

    My question to UAE is that have they ever tried to listen to Flintoff. He has such a strong northern (Lancastrian) accent that even I can barely understand all of what he says even though I am fairly conversant with some English local dialects.

    Even Sanjay Manjrekar who has good command in English faced problems when interviewing William Porterfield, as he couldn’t understand a word of the Irish skipper’s responses to his questions in the recent T20 Cup. After winging it splendidly (chiefly by resorting to an assortment of grunts, smiles, and sage nods), a visibly relieved Manjrekar said, “Man, what on earth was he saying? Apart from the fact that he sounded a bit like Liam Neeson in that boring IRA-based movie, I didn’t understand a single thing.”

    Now can you imagine the Badoos’ dilemma? May be Munir can answer this one 🙂

  279. #279 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2009 - 2:55 PM


    I am not talking about the past “ifs” and “buts” the two games may have been washed out due to whatever reasons, India were good and may have won, but the fact in record books is 5-0 and the 7-0 is in the making tomorrow we will know because it is still to be achieved, it is possible that England may win or rain may prevent the match, anything can happen.

    I think India lost 6-1 to Pakistan in India a few years back (Nehru Cup I think?) and the match was lost by one run because of Abdul Qadir or was it a tie? I am not sure, but the point is no team has won 7-0 yet.

  280. #280 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2009 - 3:04 PM


    The UAE team has hardly any local (UAE national) in it, and a majority of them are Pakistanis. So once again it is the same problem because they are just the same as buddos and they hardly speak English. (I am not including Munir’s brother in it,) but it is the truth that most of them speak English like Imran Nazir, Inzamam, Shoaib Malik and “I am agree” type.

    As regards Flintoff‘s accent, I agree with you that it is difficult to understand him, I think they will find an interpreter by paying him well and i.e., Dubai. To be very honest, I can’t understand at least 50% of what Ricky Ponting, is talking about, he talks like a cattle market auctioneer.

  281. #281 by newguy30 on September 18, 2009 - 3:24 PM


    I am agree about record books 🙂 No team has won 7-0, “ifs” and “buts” have no place, I was just pointing out how pathetic England team can be sometimes. Anyhow, winning 7-0 is very significant.

    I remember many years back when India lost to Pakistan by 6-1 in India, and the 1 match that India won was very close, to be fair they lost a few close matches too, but this was the Pakistan team I talked about that contained world beaters, around 87-88 timeframe I we are talking same series, you mentioned Abdul Qadir so it has to be that period.

  282. #282 by Awas on September 18, 2009 - 3:38 PM


    The UAE Desi guys that you mention, even if they were fluent in English they still wouldn’t understand Flintoff like Sanjay Manjrekar couldn’t understand the Irish captain.

    If Ricky Ponting is a problem try listening to Alex Ferguson, the Manchester United manager. He is Scottish but if he was half like Billy Connolly, the Scottish comedian then I can understand him but apart from a few words I can never understand what Alex Ferguson says. Find a You-Tube video of him and see what I mean. You will be amazed that some English can be spoken like this.

  283. #283 by Awas on September 18, 2009 - 4:01 PM


    When Pakistan had players like Javed Miandad, Salim Malik, Saeed Anwar, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, Inzi, Afridi etc they should have been winning vast majority of their matches like WI and Australia did with their best players in their hay days. But the problem with Pakistan has always been that they are never a united bunch and were always bickering. I dislike the word politics as it has many other connotations and is more of a matter of personal perception of fans how they use it.

    Infighting and selfishness is what it is and has always been the problem. Ian Botham as a player famously once described them “they are busy fighting like women so you cant expect much from a Pakistan team”. Bob Woolmer when coach once said to an English journalist “they are talented bunch of players but it really surprises me that sometimes they behave like kids”.

    So, it’s the professionalism that lacked at the time and often still a problem.

  284. #284 by newguy30 on September 18, 2009 - 4:42 PM


    Yes, I started wondering about this recently, I watched them play during the late 80’s and 90’s, I did not realize at that time that each of these players are match winners, but after I have seen many other greats in the later years I started to get the feeling the Pakistan team of late 80’s and early 90’s had everything they needed to dominate every opposition. But like you said the stats don’t show that they won as many as the champion teams from WI and Aus. In fighting and lack of team work must have to be the reason. It’s a shame though, because you don’t get great players like that coming together except once in a generation or so.

    Imran Khan was able to unite this team and win the WC on 92, apart from that they won some of the bilateral series I think. The only exception was when they played India they would lift their game, if only they could do that with every opposition they could have been world beaters.

    Coming to the present, what do you guys think of the warm up game today between Pak and SL? An excellent batting performance, Kamran Akmal was in full flow, and it must be relieving to see Misbah come to form finally, and this new guy Umar Akmal looks very promising too, that should give the middle order confidence.

    SA vs WI looks like a joke, I don’t understand why they are letting this club team from WI play in champions trophy, this is supposed to be the top teams only. Instead they should have let Bangaldesh play, they will play better than this club team. High time to dismiss WI team, the islands cannot hold together it any longer. I am very familiar with WI island culture, lived there for a while, apart from cricket they don’t co-operate on any front. Another organization is Caricom, which is a trade organization that is unites and settles trade and commercial interests, but they can’t unite cricket, apparently that effort failed too.

  285. #285 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2009 - 8:51 PM

    Sri Lanka lost the warm up match against Pakistan. This is what is needed from Pakistan batting that if the openers or the top middle order fails, the lower middle order should perform. With Umar Akmal in that late middle order the team seems to have some confidence in batting. However, both Younus and Yousuf got out cheaply but, Kamran Akmal continued and Misbah, Umar Akmal and Afridi were able to put on a decent total.

    Rana took 5 wickets, one of my friends was telling that Rana will be the most successful bowler in SA and he was also saying that Tendulkar plays Rana with a lot of caution just like Ricky Ponting against Ishant Sharma. Although my opinion about Rana is not so optimistic, this 5 wickets haul could be a fluke. I will be more than happy to see if he performs well through out the tournament.

    Oh, btw did anyone miss Shoaib Malik today?

  286. #286 by Awas on September 18, 2009 - 10:43 PM


    Oh, btw did anyone miss Shoaib Malik today?”

    Yeah khansahab did 🙂

    Before the match, I was going to say this current team is the ideal eleven except for Rana Naveed who should be replaced by Razzaq but 5 for is pretty good. So, I’m in two minds now.

  287. #287 by M. Y. Kasim. on September 18, 2009 - 11:54 PM

    In my opinion, this is the best team the selectors could put together at this time. We should look at the bright side and not the dark side. For example, they did not select Shoaib Akhtar, Sohail Tanvir or some other batsmen in place of Shoaib Malik or Misbah ul Haq. This is not the time to experiment. They should have done it while they introduced Umer Akmal when Shoaib Malik and Misbah were not performing. BUT not now.

    I am very optimistic with this team. To be honest, I will not be satisfied except the CUP.

  288. #288 by Awas on September 19, 2009 - 11:17 AM

    Time to translate talent into results

    Pakistan’s inconsistency is their biggest enemy. South African conditions will suit their aggressive style of play.

    By Joshua Nath

    Pakistan, no doubt, are one of the most talented sides in world cricket. They have all the ingredients of being a champion side, a proof of which was seen in the Twenty20 World Cup in England in June which they won.

    Pakistan boast of an amazing mix of batsmen. They have stalwarts like Mohammad Yousuf and skipper Younus Khan, master technicians like Shoaib Malik and Misbah-ul-Haq and flashy shot-makers like Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi and the Akmal brothers. On any given day, their fearless batting can tear apart any bowling attack.

    The batting power is well supplemented by the bowling division. With one of the most talented seam bowlers in the world, Mohammad Asif, eager to put his dark days behind, the attack looks promising. The perennial wicket-taking ability of the hit-the-deck seamer Umar Gul, the raw pace of left armer Mohammad Aamer, the guile of Rao Iftikhar Anjum and Rana Naved can never be counted out.

    And, something that has made Pakistan a force to reckon with in limited overs cricket is their spin bowling in the middle overs, headed by Shahid Afridi, who now boasts of a prolific record as a bowler. Off-spinner Saeed Ajmal, whose well disguised change of deliveries troubled Australia in Abu Dhabi, South Africa and Sri Lanka in the T20 World Cup, adds a lot of muscle.

    Pakistan haven’t been successful at the Champions Trophy. Out of the 11 games Pakistan have played in the championship between 1998-2006, they have lost 6 and won 5 to have an ordinary success rate of 45.45.

    Pakistan open their Champs Trophy campaign against West Indies on September 23 at Johannesburg in a group A encounter. Arch-rivals India and defending champions Australia complete the group.


    A potent bowling attack: The Pakistan bowling looks more or less settled especially with the return of Asif. The quartet of Gul, Aamer, Afridi and offie Ajmal is a heady mix.

    A balanced batting line-up: A solid middle order in Mohammad Yousuf and skipper Younus Khan and the favourable form of the Akmal brothers, especially the younger Umar, brings a refreshing outlook to a batting line-up. The humiliating loss in Sri Lanka in both Tests and one-dayers could just work as a stimulant to fire up this talented bunch of cricketers.


    An unsettled top order. This has been one big concern for Pakistan in any form of cricket since the retirement of their prolific opener Saeed Anwar. Right-handed opener Imran Nazir can only be regarded as a dasher, who lacks a solid defensive game.

    Fielding remains a big problem for Pakistan. Not many in their ageing side can be considered as brilliant fielders.

    Application: Pakistan’s age-old ability to self destruct. The following statement sums up the side best: “On their day, they can play like tigers and devour the opponents, but can also give in meekly like sheep.”


    Mohammad Yousuf – The former rebel player has a lot of experience behind him and has been the side’s more prolific run scorers after his return to international cricket for Pakistan. In a total of nine matches in the ICC Champions Trophy, Yousuf has scored 284 runs at an average of 47.33 with a strike rate of 63.39 and a best score of 81 not out.

    Shahid Afridi – The experienced all-rounder has worked tremendously hard on his bowling in the last couple of years to develop into a dangerous customer in limited overs cricket. His bowling record in five Champions Trophy 5 matches is 9 wickets, at an average of 29.00, with best of 5 for 11 against Kenya in Nairobi in 2000.

    As a batsman, Afridi is always a big wicket for the opposition. He has not done well in Champions Trophy, scoring a total of 127 runs at 15.87 with a highest score off 55 not out. Afridi also boasts of a strike rate of 149 runs per hundred balls for this event.

    Umar Gul – can easily be regarded as the most dangerous of Pakistan’s seam bowlers. He hits the deck and has the ability to extract extra bounce and lateral movement. Of late, skipper Younus has entrusted him the task of snapping wickets in the middle overs where he gets to bowl in short spells. On bouncy tracks at Centurion and Johannesburg, he will be quite a handful.

    FULL SQUAD: Younus Khan (captain), Shahid Afridi (vice-captain), Mohammad Yousuf, Umar Gul, Rana Naved, Rao Ifthikar Anjum, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Aamer, Fawad Alam, Imran Nazir, Misbah-ul-Haq, Saeed Ajmal, Umar Akmal, Kamran Akmal (wicket-keeper), Shoaib Malik.

  289. #289 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 19, 2009 - 11:52 AM


    Its a very balanced view by Nath but, my concerns are about Younus Khan’s injury. His little finger got fractured and he is saying its only a minor thing and should be OK in a few days. Any fracture needs 3-4 weeks of healing time i.e., to get back to normal. And, YK was injured before the warm up match and he did not score much in that match that is why its a bit worrying, not only his batting but his fielding will also be affecting the over all performance of the team.

    The stats quoted by Nath are of CT only, but Pakistan has scored well in SA, I reckon Mohammad Yousuf scored a century against SA and Afridi scored 70 odd runs in ODI just before the 2007 Caribbean World Cup and they beat SA in that match. They were also the finalist in the first T20 WC in SA. Therefore, I think they should be playing well i.e., if only they play sensibly without getting to excited and too emotional.

    Like Mr. Kasim has said, “this is the best team the selectors have put together at this time.” I agree with him i.e., if Rana remains consistent otherwise, me too like you’ve said, opted for Razzaq in place of Rana.

  290. #290 by khansahab on September 19, 2009 - 12:04 PM

    Mohammad Akram, the former Pakistan bowler has commented that Razzaq should have been included in the squad at the expense of Shoaib Malik.

    He also thinks either one of Pakistan, India or Sri Lanka will win the Trophy this time round.

  291. #291 by Awas on September 19, 2009 - 12:11 PM

    Asif’s mind and body clear

    Mohd Asif is still clueless how a packet of drugs got into the side pocket of his carry-bag at the Dubai Airport last year.

    This was revealed by Maqbool “Max” Babri, the PCB appointed psychologist / hypnotist.

    Speaking from Lahore, Babri said, “During my one-hour hypnotism session with Asif, he revealed that he had missed the direct Delhi-Lahore flight and had to take a detour via Dubai to reach Pakistan and was surprised how the packet had reached the side pocket of his carry bag.

    I had no reason to disbelieve Asif as he was under the hypnotic spell.”

    During Babri’s four-hour marathon counselling sessions with the disgraced Pakistani pacer, over a period of a few days, Asif revealed that he was “fit and hungry” and has “something new” for the Indians at the Champions Trophy but refused to divulge it further.

    Max Babri further added, “Asif is relieved of all the tensions. He is eating and sleeping well and is raring to have a go at the batsmen after a year-long break from the game.

    “He is clear in his mind and body and has vowed to remain so in the future and serve Pakistan cricket for a long time to come”.

  292. #292 by khansahab on September 19, 2009 - 12:14 PM


    I wonder if Asif was under a hypnotic spell too when his dope tests came positive 2 times round!

  293. #293 by khansahab on September 19, 2009 - 12:41 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Younis Khan’s injury is not serious and he is expected to play in the first official match.

    Aamer also is not injured as many thought he was.

    Only a few players are fasting and they will celebrate Eid tomorrow. After that they will get back to cricket.

  294. #294 by Awas on September 19, 2009 - 4:19 PM

    Injured Younis to undergo scan

    Younis Khan, who has picked up a finger injury during their warm-up match against Sri Lanka, will undergo a scan on Monday.

    Pakistan captain had sustained a hairline fracture in the index finger of his right hand during the warm-up match at Benoni on Friday night and an X-ray will be done to ascertain seriousness of the injury.

    However, Pakistan team manager Yawar Saeed was hopeful that the injury not a serious one and the skipper will be ready for their September 23 campaign opener against the West Indies.

    “The injury does not look like a serious one and we are very hopeful that he would be fit for the tournament,” Saeed said.

    “But Younis will have another X-ray on the finger on Monday after which it will be clear when he can resume playing,” he added.

    Younis will miss Pakistan’s next warm-up match against a local side on Sunday due to the injury.

    “I have seen many players injured and am confident Younis will be able to play in the Champions Trophy. He will recover quickly,” Saeed insisted.

    Younis is the most experienced batsman in the team after Muhammad Yousuf and has been in good form in recent time.

  295. #295 by khansahab on September 19, 2009 - 8:04 PM

    Half of Manchester is celebrating Eid tomorrow. So a very happy Eid to all bloggers.

  296. #296 by khansahab on September 19, 2009 - 9:15 PM

    LOL Wasim Akram was after the coach’s job in IPL, but orders have been issued by the Indian Sports Ministry that no Pakistani player or coach or official is to be hired for the IPL. So Wasim is not getting the job unfortunately, at least in the short term.

    Being the coach or consultant of a high profile team like KKR would have earned him unbelievable sums of money.

  297. #297 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 19, 2009 - 11:51 PM

    Eid Mubarak to everyone

    North America and Canada too are celebrating Eid tomorrow and so also our PATHAN BHAIS in NWFP

  298. #298 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 19, 2009 - 11:52 PM

    I am very happy because Wasim Akram got booted by the Indians, actually they should kick him out from the TV shows as well. BayGhairat Insaan hai wo.

  299. #299 by newguy30 on September 20, 2009 - 3:08 AM

    I think this is silly decision not to let Wasim get the coach job, after all the issue is at the government level, let them not co-operate on that front, but to impact the livelihood of a sportsperson is taking it too far. None of the sportspeople are involved in any of this, so why the animosity?

  300. #300 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2009 - 7:52 AM


    Why are you so surprised? I think it is a right decision, otherwise it would have sounded very hypocritical that on one hand you don’t allow the two teams to visit each others countries and on the other you are hiring a coach from the same country. Definitely he would have helped in building new fast bowlers especially when he knows where to put his mouth i.e., where the money is.

    Tell me whether Gavaskar or Tendulkar would be willing to coach Pakistani batsmen in Pakistan? Obviously not because, they have some patriotism in them, but this MF has no loyalties and no hesitation he accepted bribe during the WC semi-final in Bangalore and declared himself unfit.


    If it is a matter of livelihood, then why do people care about earning something with respect and dignity? And, why is that a whore and a pimp’s earnings are considered as bad? That is also their livelihood, isn’t it? If someone talks about us that we are also not in our country of birth, that is entirely a different issue because, we have migrated and settled here and we have our livelihood here but, supporting Pakistan or India in sports is very different from dissing your own country and going to the neighbouring country especially when the relationships are sour. He must have that much respect for his own country, but like I said, his loyalties are with money! C’est ca.

  301. #301 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2009 - 8:38 AM

    Guys there is a new thread on CT please comment there. Thanks.

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