A DAY OF RECKONING

SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2009 will be a day of reckoning for India and Pakistan.

India has always won against Pakistan in all major World Cup tournaments and Younus Khan, the captain of Pakistan team has vowed to break this jinx.

Only A Pathan can be so happy with a broken finger

Only A Pathan can be so happy with a broken finger

The team Pakistan appears in very high spirit, especially Younus Khan with a fractured finger claims it as nothing serious, as if it happens every day! And, Indian captain M.S. Dhoni is a wee bit worried about his teams fielding performance otherwise he too is optimistic about his team’s batting performance with Sachin Tendulkar and Dhoni in form.

I am only worried about our fielding otherwise, I am cool

I am only worried about our fielding otherwise, I am cool

From a realistic perspective India’s bowling is a bit questionable, the day their batsmen fail to deliver India will be on the sidewalk. It is their strong batting line up that helps them in chasing the targets.

And, Pakistan is lacking in consistency on their day they can beat any side in the world and Younus Khan and his deputy Shahid Afridi are eager to play against India and that is why it is a day of reckoning for us.

The question is whether the Pakistani openers will fire and give a good platform for the middle order to play risky shots in the last 10-15 overs? The inclusion of Umar Akmal has given them hopes to achieve their goals. The second question is about Rana and Asif, whether they can mesmerize Tendulkar? In the past both have got him early and then comes the wall i.e., Dravid followed by another one man demolition squad in Yuvraj Singh and not to mention Gambhir who slowly and quietly builds up an innings.

If the Pakistani fast bowlers take 2-3 wickets in the first two power plays then they can contain India under 250 -260 otherwise they can easily build up a 300 plus total on hard and bouncy wickets of SA.

A lot of people are talking about Australia and India in the finals, I would not be surprised if the final is between Australia and South Africa.  And, on big occasions South Africa has always failed like Pakistan has against India. Ricky Ponting’s team is very good and I think they will be my favourites. Obviously I will be very happy if Pakistan lifts the cup but, there are many a slip between the cup and the lip.

Now, the blog is over to you to express your views and your expectations and not to mention – your criticism.  Good Luck.

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  1. #1 by Awas on September 20, 2009 - 9:06 AM

    Javed

    Correction:

    Indeed Pakistan have lost to India in most of these ICC matches except only once and that was the 2004 Champions Trophy where Pakistan won against India at Edgbaston.

  2. #2 by Mohammed Munir on September 20, 2009 - 11:32 AM

    EID Mubarak to All on LS !!

    I hope we are still celebrating on 26th 😉

    A nice and realistic analysis by Javed Khan. With West Indies being a weaker team in our group, it will all boil down to Australia, India and Pakistan. If all three teams win against West Indies (which seems easily possible with the young West Indian team) and then go on to win one more match out of the remaining two, then I think average will also come in to play to decide the top two.

    I don’t know why, but I hate Australians, and I wish India and Pakistan make it to the semis.

    Good luck to Pakistan and also India.

  3. #3 by newguy30 on September 20, 2009 - 2:23 PM

    I am not sure who has better chance of winning CT, I think SA has the best all round team, although they tend to choke in big matches which is unexplainable and the only blemish against their otherwise perfect team. Australia cannot be judged based on their current form against England which is hardly performing well. As for India they do not have a real chance because their pace bowling dept is weak, without Zaheer leading the attack, RP, Nehra, Ishant, and Praveen can do nothing. Harbhajan looks the like only bowler capable of doing something, you cannot win a major competition without bowlers turning out match winning performances. Pakistan has a chance since their bowling is stronger, and if they can get their batting together and their team work together then, but these are big “if” and “buts”.

    Overall two out of Ind, Pak, Aus has equal chance of qualifying.

  4. #4 by Pawan on September 20, 2009 - 3:47 PM

    Good balanced write up Javed.

    Pakistan on their day can beat any team. Why? Is it because one of teh players in the side (such as Afridi/Younus) play out of their skins? To tell you the truth, I’ve never seen a good team effort from Pakistan and if they can up the ante by putting up a good team effort, then they can win more matches consistently. As a batsmen, if you fail, then one must not get discouraged, and keep up the high spirit by giving it all in the fielding department. I have seen this psychological problem not only with Pakistani players, but also with many sub-continental players. Once they are down, they just give up. They must clearly recognize that even if they can just affect one run-out, they have done a pretty good job. Like Andrew Flintoff ran out Ricky Ponting in the Ashes decider. Or Ricky Ponting ran out two of England’s batsmen in the last ODI between the two sides. So small things like this do matter a lot. I hope someone tells this to the sub-continent players.

    Anyways,…

    Happy Eid to all of you guys!
    And enjoy with you family and friends!
    Take care.

  5. #5 by khansahab on September 20, 2009 - 8:37 PM

    Awas

    Yes, I noticed that match winning century too by Malik. Maybe he has learned his lesson and his performance will improve now. But he will still remain a mediocre player because he seems to only perform when his place is on the line, like Misbah.

    He will probably play all matches in the CT, now. I have a feeling we might see Malik and Akmal opening, because with Younis and Umer Akmal playing in the middle order, Malik may not get a chance in the middle order.

  6. #6 by Pawan on September 21, 2009 - 12:09 AM

    It is highly condemnable that Mr. Khan had to reveal nuclear secrets to “nuclear-dangerous” countries at the behest of the Pakistani Government.

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    WASHINGTON: An angry, humiliated, and wounded A.Q.Khan has finally made public and official what has long been suspected: his nuclear proliferation activities that included exchanging and passing blue-prints and equipment to China, Iran, North Korea, and Libya was done at the behest of the Pakistani government and military, and he was forced to take the rap for it.

    ”The bastards first used us and are now playing dirty games with us,” Khan writes about the Pakistani leadership in a December 2003 letter to his wife Henny that has finally been made public by an interlocutor. ”Darling, if the government plays any mischief with me take a tough stand,” he tells his wife, adding, ”They might try to get rid of me to cover up all the things they got done by me.”

    But Henny was unable to play hardball because Khan had also sent copies of that letter to his daughter Dina in London, and to his niece Kausar Khan in Amsterdam through his brother, a Pakistan Airlines executive. Pakistani intelligence agencies got wind of it and threatened the well-being of the family, forcing him to recant and publicly take the blame for the proliferation activities in a humiliating television spectacle engineered by then military ruler Pervez Musharraf.

    However, a copy of the four-page letter reached Khan’s long-time journalistic contact Simon Henderson in 2007. In fact, in the letter, Khan tells his wife, ”Get in touch with Simon Henderson and give him all the details.” Henderson says when he acquired the copy of the letter, he was shocked. His acquaintance with Khan goes back to the late 1970s, but it was never intimate, and consisted of an occasional interviews and conversations, and seasonal greetings.

    Describing the four-page letter as ”extraordinary,” Henderson says in numbered paragraphs, it outlines Pakistan’s nuclear co-operation with China, Iran and North Korea, and also mentions Libya. Some of the disclosures are stunning , and in one para that is bound to embarrass Beijing, besides implicating it, Khan writes about how Pakistan helped China in enrichment technology in return for bomb blueprints.

    ”We put up a centrifuge plant at Hanzhong (250km southwest of Xian),” Khan writes. “The Chinese gave us drawings of the nuclear weapon, gave us 50kg of enriched uranium, gave us 10 tons of UF6 (natural) and 5 tons of UF6 (3%).” UF6 is uranium hexafluoride, the gaseous feedstock for an enrichment plan.

    On Iran, the letter says: ”Probably with the blessings of BB [Benazir Bhutto]…General Imtiaz [Benazir’s defence adviser, now dead] asked me to give a set of drawings and some components to the Iranians. The names and addresses of suppliers were also given to the Iranians.”

    On North Korea: ”[A now-retired general] took $3million through me from the N. Koreans and asked me to give some drawings and machines.”

    Henderson does not explain why he waited nearly two years since he got hold of the letter to make it public. But he writes sympathetically about Khan’s travails in Pakistan, where he is held largely incommunicado under house arrest. The Pakistani government and the military have repeatedly rejected and challenged court orders to free him, and an episode last month, where Khan was freed just for a day on court orders before Islamabad locked him up again under pressure from Washington, appears to have precipitated the leak of the explosive letter.

    Henderson’s Sunday Times expose also implicates the U.S and other western powers, who he says, basically shoved Islamabad’s rampant proliferation (while blaming it solely on Khan) under the carpet in order to get Pakistan’s cooperation in the war on terror. The move also saved Washington from huge embarrassment since it was basically asleep on the watch when Pakistan began its nuclear proliferation and then winked at it when it was discovered, all the while lavishing billions in military supplies on its unstable client state.

    PAK GOVT RESCUED BROKE A.Q.KHAN WITH $ 2500 PER MONTH PENSION

    Henderson also implicitly defends Khan from charges that he profited from proliferation activities, as alleged by deposed military ruler Pervez Musharraf. Khan, he says, is adamant that he never sold nuclear secrets for personal gain. So what about the millions of dollars he reportedly made?

    ”Nothing was confiscated from him and no reported investigation turned up hidden accounts. Having planted rumours about Khan’s greed, Pakistani officials were curiously indifferent to following them through,” Henderson writes.

    According to Henderson, much was made of a ”hotel”, named after Khan’s wife, Henny, built by a local tour guide with the help of money from Khan and a group of friends in Timbuktu. But it is a modest structure at best, more of a guesthouse, he says. A weekend home at Bani Gala, outside Islamabad, where Khan went to relax, is hardly the palace that some reports have made it.

    In fact, says Henderson, Khan was close to being broke by the summer 2007, when he was finding it difficult to make ends meet on his pension of 12,200 (Pakistani) rupees per month. After pleading with General Khalid Kidwai, the officer supervising both Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and Khan, the pension was increased to $2,500 per month and there was a one-off lump-sum payment of the equivalent of $50,000. Hendersen says he has copies of the agreement and cheques.

    Henderson’s 3000-word expose also reveals a couple of intriguing tid-bits that should interest the world’s strategic community, including New Delhi. Besides details of the Pakistan-China nexus, he says Pakistan tested only two devices in its 1998 tit-for-tat nuclear tests that followed India.

    While Pakistan claims it conducted six tests to be one-up on India’s five tests, Western experts and seismologists have long said they recorded only two signals for devices that measured between two and four kilotons. Khan also states clearly that China gave Pakistan designs for the nuclear bombs.

    In fact, in one colorful passage in his article, Henderson describes how Khan was warned by a Chinese counterpart about the Pakistani Army. On a visit to Kahuta, Li Chew, the senior minister who ran China’s nuclear-weapons programme, tells Khan, ”As long as they need the bomb, they will lick your balls. As soon as you have delivered the bomb, they will kick your balls.”

    Henderson himself seems deeply conscious of any perception that he is close to Khan or that he is a cat’s paw for any country. ”Any relationship with a source is fraught with potential difficulties. One doesn’t want to be blind to the chance of being used. Government officials and politicians in any country are seldom interested in the simple truth. They all have their particular story to tell. In this context, I am frankly amazed that Khan has chosen me to be his interlocutor with the world,” he writes.

    But Pakistani authorities were clearly aware that he and Khan had been in touch and Khan may have managed to smuggle a copy of the letter implicating Islamabad to him. Henderson says in a court document that Khan was asked to sign when he was promised freedom, there is a line that read “That in case Mr Simon Henderson or anyone else proceeds with the publication of any information or material anywhere in the world, I affirm that it would not be based on any input from me and I disown it.” That line was eventually deleted and replaced with a more general prohibition about unnamed ”specific media personnel.”

    In other words, stand by for a flurry of denials.

  7. #7 by Shoaib on September 21, 2009 - 3:40 AM

    Eid mubarak to all, khanssahab is it you in the picture? You r pretty old arnt you? Sorry for being blunt like javed, oh yeah chonsa and anwar ratol is almost finished until next year 🙂 I remember javed sahab mentioned it as a anwar rathor, sounded like a big chaudhary of a small village :))

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2009 - 1:11 PM

    Pawan

    Upon reading that article on A. Q. Khan by Simon Henderson, the first thing that clicked in to my mind was, “what is the reason that stopped Henderson for 2 years to publish his letter or made it public?” And, the same thing has been mentioned below: “Henderson does not explain why he waited nearly two years since he got hold of the letter to make it public.”

    1. When Khan was implicated as the sole responsible person to act only on his own behalf, everyone said this is all BS no one can do such a thing without the knowledge and blessings of the Government and the Army. That was just a cover up by Mush govt. at that time. The reason was the US govt was asking the Pak govt to hand over Khan and they want to try him in the US. And, considering that, it was a better choice to do what Mush did at that time.

    2. Why is there such a hue and cry about Pakistan acquiring the components or parts to build a nuclear plant? Especially when they have not signed the treaty like India. And, do you know how India got the nuclear technology from Canada? I think you should read about it instead of me copy pasting it from the CBC website. In fact both India and Canada tried to pull wool in the eyes of the world by telling everyone that the plant they are selling is for producing electricity. No one is a Ch2So4 to assume that it is that simple. Now, the blame goes on the Canadian govt who have accepted it as a shameful act and that too, after 30-40 years.

    3. As regards Pak selling the technology to other countries, once again there shouldn’t be any rona dhona on that after all Israel also acquired it from the US and they tested it in SA. You cannot have to set of rules, one for a teacher’s pet and one for the rest.

    4. To me this article by Simon Henderson appears nothing more than a story that he wants to sell and make money. There is no concrete info or authenticity of the hand letter written by Khan to his wife. Why is there no photo of that letter? Even if there is one, who can verify and authenticate that it is his hand writing?

    In view of all of the above, all I can do is ……………. 😀

  9. #9 by Pawan on September 21, 2009 - 10:14 PM

    Javed

    I don’t know what things jumped on you when you read that news about the letter.
    All I know is that no one can be accused or even tried based on mere speculations. Yes, the common knowledge was pretty much that Pakistani Government was involved in Mr.Khan’s revelations and it is pretty much impossible for a person to do this single-handedly, but until and unless we have some proof, no one can be tried for or even accused for that matter. The letter is a significant step, according to me, to bring to our notice the truth.

    My dear friend, how can you not condemn the nexus of the Pakistan Government with the nuclear programme of countried like Iran, North Korea and Libya? I believe if India had such connections, I would have vehemently opposed that. This issue is not about patriotism, although I can understand your emotional state. But it is for the world peace — which is far greater and important component. Countries like Iran, North Korea and Libya have constantly warned that they would not abide by any rules and would use the nuclear power as and when they wish. Exchanging nulcear program with such countries who do not have any morals as far as nuclear power is concerned is in an way supporting them. Now, I don’t expect you to come out in support of the nuclear programs of those countries.

    I don’t want to oppose anyone just for the sake of it. I hope people be mature and come together to put an end to such issues. Otherwise soon we would be facing the consequences of an ugly nuclear war.

  10. #10 by Shoaib on September 22, 2009 - 12:23 AM

    guys please this is cricket’s leg slip not anyone’s bathroom where you can slip your leg on the slippery soapy surface 🙂

    Let’s not discuss Khan The Hero, let’s discuss Khan which had been an empty Akhrot and showing his colgate (peelu) smile right on top of the blog 😀

  11. #11 by newguy30 on September 22, 2009 - 12:40 AM

    Pawan, you missed Javed’s point, he doesn’t believe in the rules imposed by the west (primarily U.S) I believe, instead he is stating why not Pakistan do as they see fit and not abide by the rules set forth by western laws. Now, I am a naturalized U.S citizen, my patriotism lies with the country of my citizenship, so naturally I do not see it same way as Javed. But I digress, CT is starting tomorrow, do you guys think SL will have a chance against SA given their form in warm up.

  12. #12 by M. Y. Kasim on September 22, 2009 - 1:12 AM

    Eid Mubarak to all.

    I wrote my comments on 18th. but it didnt appear on the last blog.

    Well, here it is again.

    Let us look at the bright side, the selectors have chosen the the best available team in my opinion. They could have selected Shoaib Akhtar and Sohail Tanveer in place of Rao and Rana; or Faisal Iqbal and Bazid Khan to please Javed Miandad and Majid Khan in place of Shoaib Malik or Misbah ul Haq.

    Hold your horses, I am not changing my opinion, I am still for the young blood but the time has gone now. It was opportune at the Sri Lanka tour to experiment when Umer Akmal was thurst in. NOT NOW. At this time we need the hardened, experienced players and the selected 15 are the ones.

    I am very optimistic. Nothing short of the cup would satisfy me!

    Mr. Kasim

    Sir, with all due respect to you and your comments, let me assure you that no one deleted them actually they are on the other thread, “Champions Trophy & Pakistan. ” this is the new thread.

  13. #13 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2009 - 4:32 AM

    Pawan

    Nothing jumped, I mean I didn’t take your post as an offense to me personally or hurt my patriotism, when I see something is right, I appreciate it and when I say something is wrong I speak bluntly and I know you didn’t write or expressed your feelings, you have copy pasted it from some American source. May be you have not noticed that big Smiley Bootha in the end…….. it means I am cool.

    And, I am not going to disappoint you by supporting those countries you’ve named because, you’ve only read what was presented to you by the media. Yes, the politicians of those countries may have blabbed out by saying they will not hesitate in using nuclear power. Remember, they are empty vessels – barring North Korea – they do have missiles and bombs but its not so easy my friend. And, the fact of the matter is THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT USED THE NUCLEAR BOMB IS ………………..?????? Do I need to spell A B C D ?

    So, the desi expression, ‘ jo bhonkta wo kaat ta nahee ‘ meaning those who bark don’t bite. Don’t worry about them. Libya is neutered they are targeting Iran and Pakistan, India is a goody goody country and very peaceful people so even if they have 10 million nuclear bombs its just like having cookies in a jar. North Korea — no one can touch them because they are BallChinos, meaning China’s Balls.

    newguy has made my point clear and I think Pakistan’s survival is based on its nuclear power otherwise Pakistan would have been Balkanized and decimated long ago.

    And, please don’t preach me about India’s diplomatic relations or connections with other countries, India has very good relations with Israel whereas, Israeli leaders have repeatedly used very threatening language against their so-called enemies. At one time India had great relations with Iraq knowingly that Saddam is a dictator and yet they made a pact with Iraq and that is because the former USSR had a 25 year defense pact with India and they were also supporting Iraq, India and Iraq were bhai, bhai.

    The funniest news caption that I saw in one of the Daily newspapers of Dubai i.e., on India’s Republic Day (January 26th special supplement) in which they published a photo of Indira Gandhi and the caption was:
    “Mrs. Indira Gandhi visiting the site of India’s peaceful Nuclear Explosion.” Let me laugh again ha ha ha and …. ha….. Yar kis, kis ko aur kab tak Ch2ya samjho gay? No one is so naive.

    Nuclear Explosion aur peaceful?
    Its a test that gives a warning to other countriess saying: “Guys we are also in the same Nuclear League, so better stay away from us.” Whether you open your mouth and warn someone or you try to sugarcoat it like India that their Nuclear programme is for peaceful purposes, it is the same thing. Just tell me why did they make those hundreds and thousands of Long Range and Mid Range Missiles called “Raati Agni Hotri?”

    Yara, don’t worry about Pakistan’s Nuclear Programme or their missiles and bombs, leave them alone and they will keep on fighting with each other and keep on killing each other. Tum apnay giray baan may jhaanko doosray ki baghal may nahee ghusso!

    And, my question is not answered, what kept that simple Simon’s mouth shut for 2 years? Why did he not go public? And, is that letter genuine? Can anyone authenticate it? Even if it is real I really don’t give a tosh to it, because the Pakistani leaders or government at that time did the right thing by not handing over AQK to the USA. And, why should they? Every country has its sovereign laws.

    AQK is a Pakistani citizen and he has the right to remain in Pakistan. Whereas, the so-called Mumbai Blaster KASSAB is a Pakistani according to Indian government and they are not prepared to release him and want to try him in India. Kaheen tou koi baat sahee kero yaro! Indian policy is, Chitt mai jeeta Putt tum haaray, “heads I win, tails you loose.” 😀

  14. #14 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2009 - 4:45 AM

    After PaalTicks, lets talk about KirrKitt…..

    newguy ….

    This time, I haven’t taken the TV package because I am too busy and won’t be able to see the live matches on TV and I really feel bad about missing all the action but, what I am doing is more important. On and off I might see the scores on the Internet. But, lemme make some predictions ………..

    Pakistan has won two warm up matches, the third match will be a round match against West Indies and imo by looking at that team in which only two names are familiar to me one is, Devon Smith the batsman and the other is Darren Powel the others are all strangers to me. Therefore, I think Pakistan got another opportunity to consider this round match as a warm up match.

    Reportedly they are notoriously slow starters but this opportunity to win three matches in a row will give them some confidence to win against India, because India’s bowling barring Harbhajan is very ineffective this time hence Pakistan needs to score big and their batsmen are already getting in form even Malak Sahab of Sialkot has made a century the only one out of form is Imran Nazir and he has a knack of playing good against India. Therefore, this time it will not be easy for India to win against Pakistan, in fact it is never easy but in the WC (except the one Awas mentioned) they have won against Pakistan.

    So, my prediction is Pakistan will be in the second round or the semis or whatever it is…. they won’t get eliminated this time. I also have a feeling that Saeed Ajmal will trouble the Australians and not Shahid Afridi because the wickets are fast and bouncy and it is difficult for leg spinners to contain. But, Ajmal bowls slower than Afridi and he might be more effective. Against India spin is not the problem, but Rana, Gul and Asif will be more lethal.

    If Pakistan plays against NZ in the semis and Australia or India against SA then, Pakistan has a chance of reaching finals………. so I will say “when we will come to the bridge, we will cross the bridge.” Lets see how the tournament unfolds. Until then, Au Revoir et Bientot.

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2009 - 1:34 PM

    Sri Lanka batting ….. CT ………. after the power play – 15 overs, 105 runs, a run rate of 7 per over

    Dilshan is giving a real scare to the South Africans, a quick 50 in no time. Earlier they were happy to get rid of Jayasuriya but, Dilshan is unstoppable, he is punishing all the SA fast bowlers Styen, Parnel, Kalis et Morkel. Pakistan and Indian openers must watch him, how he is handling the SA fast bowlers already 12 fours and a SIX in his 63 n.o. @ a strike rate of 134 he is dominating the bowlers. I wonder how Imran Nazir would be handling them?

  16. #16 by newguy30 on September 22, 2009 - 1:50 PM

    Dilshan is unstoppable, he is the inform player at the moment, the way he is playing SA bowlers he makes it look so easy, but then the real test is on their middle order if they can capitalize on the start and build a challenging total. SA bowlers could be a bit rusty as well.

  17. #17 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2009 - 1:55 PM

    newguy

    Yeah, that is the point I was thinking too, i.e., their middle order should capitalize on this fine start. Although Dilshan as well as Sangakara both have played well against the fast bowlers, their spinners have slowed down the process. So, it would also be the same for Sri Lanka when SA plays against Murali and Mendis.

  18. #18 by newguy30 on September 22, 2009 - 2:54 PM

    What a fine innings from Dilshan to kick off the tournament, a fine hundred against what is being touted as the finest bowling unit by the so called experts. Smith must be feeling bad now for putting SL in after winning the toss. Spinners have slowed the process but they could not choke off or take wickets, so SL doing well so far, will be interesting to see if their middle and lower order can finish off well. Also will be interesting to see how SA chase, they are generally very good at chasing totals.

    Coming to the Indian bowling attack, there is a chance that they will go with two spinners by bringing in Amit Mishra, especially against Aus / WI, Mishra has never played Pakistan I believe so it’s not known how they will play him, but in general Pakistan has no problem against spinners, so it may be three seamers plus Harbhajan.

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2009 - 4:23 PM

    They screwed up the last 5 overs.

    Sri Lanka were 297/4 in 45 overs and I thought they will score at least 340 as they were scoring very well @ an average of 12 per over between the 40-45th over. But, then Jayawardene followed by TT Samaraweera and others they managed only 23 runs in 5 overs and gave away 4 wickets.

    That could be the turning point if SA plays sensibly. Still a difficult chase, nothing is easy when it is 300 plus.

    I got 2 go.

  20. #20 by Awas on September 22, 2009 - 5:50 PM

    Younus in doubt for entire group stage

    Already out of the opening match, Pakistan captain Younus Khan could end up missing entire group stage campaign of the CT.

    Younus has been ruled out due to a hand injury.

    “Second X-rays have confirmed that it is a hairline fracture in his right index finger and it will take time to heal,” a source in the Pakistan Cricket Board told PTI.

    Afridi to lead Pak in CT opener

    “Although the team management in South Africa have decided to handle Younus’ case on a match by match basis but there are strong chances he might not be able to play in the remaining group matches against India and Australia as well,” the source said.

    Younus has already been ruled out of the team’s opening game against the West Indies on Wednesday with all-rounder Shahid Afridi replacing him as captain.

    Pakistan manager Yawar Saeed said from Johannesburg that since it was a fracture It would take some time to heal.

    “We decided to not play Younus in the first match to give him more time to rest and recover. If he is fit he will play against India on September 26,” Yawar said.

    The Pakistan manager also said Younus practiced in the nets today but didn’t feel comfortable because of the injury.

    Team sources said in all likelihood Younus has been advised a long rest by the doctors for his injury to heal but the team management is keeping the matter under wrap.

    “Even the team members have not been told as yet until when Younus would be fit to resume playing in the tournament,” one source stated.

    The injury to Younus comes as a lucky break for Afridi, who has voiced his desire to lead his team in one-dayers after he was named captain of the Twenty20 side following Pakistan’s victory in the T20 World Cup in June.

    “If Younus is unable to play apart from the captaincy issue the team will also have to recover and try to find a dependable number three position batsman as Younus has been successful on this position in all forms of the game,” the source said.

  21. #21 by Awas on September 22, 2009 - 6:53 PM

    Younus’ absence gives Fawad Alam a chance. Perhaps Shoaib Malik should come in at three now like he did in the last match.

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2009 - 7:41 PM

    In the previous thread I wrote in the comments section that any fracture, even a hairline fracture needs a few weeks to heal ………. and it was in response to the news that Younus Khan says it is nothing. In this thread too, under his picture the caption says it all that only a Pathan can be happy….. 😀

    This morning after seeing how the SA spinners halting SL’s progress, I wrote that SA will have a bigger problem facing Murali and Mendis. And Mendis played havoc and its all over by now. Its just a formality for SA to bat through the innings or get out early but, they have already lost the match by a big margin.

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2009 - 7:46 PM

    Awas

    Younus absence in ODI’s cannot be compensated by Fawad Alam or Malik or anyone, he is a very dependable ODI player, its very unfortunate that he has to sit out like a spectator. Shahid Afridi will be lucky if he wins against India and Australia too, because winning against West Indies is nothing. So, Afridi will have a real task ahead of him. Pakistani players should not do anything stupid anymore like, playing soccer or rugby during the practice, they should try avoiding risk of getting injuries.

    I also hope that and wish that all players should play like a team rather than trying to settle scores against each other and this implies to the conspirators. A lot depend on Mohammad Yousuf, he has to play the anchor role in every single match. And, I think he will.

    Also, as opposed to Afridi, Saeed Ajmal will be more effective against Australia on these bouncy wickets.

  24. #24 by khansahab on September 22, 2009 - 10:18 PM

    Awas

    I don’t think Fawad Alam will play in the CT, although I am sure Malik will be used as a no 3 player now. Only if Malik fails against Windies and India, they might try Alam against Australia which will again be a meaningless match for him in terms of, it will be like do or die. Why he can’t get a persistent run of 3 matches at the same batting slot, is beyond me.

    I agree that what we have seen so far in Fawad, and what we have seen for years in Malik means that neither of them can replace Younis who could have been an asset on these difficult pitches. However, at the moment the team management is adamant that Younis will only miss out against West Indies.

  25. #25 by Shoaib on September 22, 2009 - 10:42 PM

    Wah javed Sahab itnaa lamba gussaa, i mean itni lambi email woh bhi subah kay 4 Bajey 😀

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 3:47 AM

    Shoaib

    Ghussa tou nahee kiya bus jawab diya hai aur mai dil pay nahee gurdaon per lay ta hoon…….. I hope you know this desi expression? Anyways I don’t think he is going to reply to that and I don’t expect any reply. May be it was your time 4.00 a.m. remember we are 5 hours behind you. And, who sleeps at 11.00 p.m.? I usually sleep after midnight.

    So, what will be the team for tomorrow’s match against the West Indies?

    1. Imran Nazir
    2. Kamran Akmal
    3. Shoaib Malik
    4. Mohammad Younus
    5. Misbah ul Haq
    6. Shahid Afridi
    7. Umar Akmal

    8. Umar Gul
    9. Mohammad Aamir
    10. Rana Naveed
    11. Saeed Ajmal

    Where is a slot for Mohammad Asif and Fawad Alam?

    Fawad Alam 12th man? 😀

    If Imran Nazir fails repeatedly they will ask Malik and Akmal to open, in that case Fawad Alam can come in but, Asif is still missing, it depends if Aamir or Rana if they fail they will bring in Asif.

    What will happen next i.e., if they move ahead and Younus is OK then? In my opinion Younus Khan’s hairline fracture needs 4 weeks to heal but, it will not be 100% chances are that he may not play in this tournament at all. If the bring him or if he insists on playing and if he drops a few catches or misfields or cannot play big shots then? Is that a fair and justifiable decision?

    If Misbah continues to perform bad (which is not likely) then Alam has a chance and I do agree with khansahab‘s fears and apprehensions that they will keep Alam out of all the matches. And, if he plays one match in a do or die situation that will again be injustice on his part. So, there isn’t any chance of him playing. If the team continues to win against WI and India, they will not change the combo. Obviously no one wants to change the winning combination (even if Malik and Misbah may not have played to their potential, they will still be in the team), period.

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 1:00 PM

    The team Pakistan that is playing today (now) is exactly the same as I wrote above yesterday. And, the West Indies team is already 14 for 3 in 5 overs. If Devon Smith goes there is no one else and it will be hard for them to score a hundred runs.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 1:51 PM

    West Indies are 47 for 6 in 14.3 overs, what a shame that Bangladesh is not in the best 8 teams of the world, they would have done better than this West Indies team. And, now they are 7 out and Umar Gul is on a hatrick. The ICC has made a mockery of this tournament by not including Zimbabwe and Bangladesh but accepting a club level West Indies team. And, I can imagine how, Lara, Viv Richards, Marshal, Bishop and all the West Indian greats must be thinking about their cricket board’s decision to send this team to the CT?

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 1:53 PM

    Pakistan must wrap up this match ASAP to score a good run rate because, in this group it is likely that the run rate will play an important role for the number 2 position.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 1:56 PM

    Younus Khan nay jahaan unglee ki thee, Yuvraj Singh nay bhee vaheen apni unglee daali and both are now comrades in misery …….. Yuvi is ruled out for SIX weeks.

  31. #31 by newguy30 on September 23, 2009 - 2:24 PM

    Big breaking news from Indian camp is that Yuvraj is out for six weeks following injury to finger. This is a big blow to India’s campaign. First Sehwag, and now Yuvraj, India has lost two big match winners, two players who could destroy the opposition and damage their confidence is gone. Now India has to rely heavily on Tendulkar, Dhoni, and Gambhir. With Zaheer also not leading the bowling attack, I don’t think seriously India can win the tournament.

    Pakistan playing well today, but given the club level team that WI is you can’t say much about this.

    I said here that Bangladesh should have been playing instead of WI. This is the type of thing that will kill ODI.

  32. #32 by Awas on September 23, 2009 - 3:16 PM

    Shoaib Malik didn’t drop the catch off Afridi. I wonder why did he ruin the conspiracy theories 🙂

  33. #33 by Awas on September 23, 2009 - 3:20 PM

    There is a very good interview of Younus by Osman Samiuddin:

    ‘I’ve had to stop smiling’ http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/425962.html

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 3:24 PM

    When West Indies were 47 for 7, it was expected that they will be all out for 70-80 runs, but Pakistan has let them score freely and they managed 133 and now Imran Nazir has thrown his wicket by playing a stupid shot and put the team under pressure 5 for 1 in 2 overs. Pakistan will have a tough time winning this match.

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 3:27 PM

    Awas

    I have read that article by Samiuddin and I was saying to myself,

    “Sub kuch luta kay hosh may aye tou kya kiya?
    Unglee turra kay muskuraye tou kya kiya?”

    Indians cannot be behind the Pakistanis so Yuvraj has also joined the club of ‘broken-fingers.’

  36. #36 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 3:47 PM

    Panic in Pakistan team

    Some how I had a feeling that Kamran Akmal will not be scoring much today and I was right. Now, the situation is such if Mohammad Yousuf plays an anchor role and builds up an innings then, Pakistan will be through, still it will not be easy for them and they will make it somewhere after the 40th over.

    IF, Mohammad Yousuf is out early then Pakistan’s chances of losing this match is more certain and it will be a major catastrophe for them.

    Tonge has played two ODI’s before this and gave away 108 runs at an economy rate of 5.4 and got NO WICKETS, Pakistanis openers are his first victims. They always make a zero into a hero.

  37. #37 by Awas on September 23, 2009 - 4:27 PM

    Javed

    Yeah, they always make a meal out of chasing even small totals. They will get through this but after struggling.

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 5:38 PM

    Awas

    This team is not going to change, they are and they will always remain vulnerable and right now they are 72 for 4 and other than Afridi in the dressing room who else is there? Rana Naveed? You cannot expect him to score when they key batsmen have failed and gave their wickets to Tonge. The only hope for them is, he has only one over remaining and if they play him safely then, they can take a breather.

    But, what a shame, first they couldn’t wipe off their tail and allowed them to score 133 and now they are struggling against cheeky Tonge! This pair (Misbah and Umar Akmal) must bat through the innings otherwise, you cannot expect much from Afridi, this is not a twenty20 game. But, they have played like one.

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 5:53 PM

    Now Misbah has gone after wasting so many balls and playing an extremely defensive innings he nicked it to the keeper, Walton has taken his 4th catch of the innings and the game is on. Pakistan’s troubles have started from the very first over and are compounding with every wicket.

    Can’t they score 51 runs in 26 overs with 5 wickets in hand?

  40. #40 by newguy30 on September 23, 2009 - 6:14 PM

    Pakistan will win this game, no problem, but …. why did they do this. I was away for a while and came back thinking match is over, instead I see batsmen committed hara kiri that too off club level bowling. Unbelievable. They cannot lose this match by any chance, just about 30 odd runs and Afridi and Akmal will rattle it off, even if one of them get out it’s only a couple of blows away.

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2009 - 6:40 PM

    BC salay, they give their fans and supporters heart attacks. And this innings from Misbah proves that Pakistan team cannot depend on him at all. Afridi played the anchor role allowed Umar Akmal to play freely and perhaps this is Afridi’s lowest strike rate ever. But, it was a captain’s innings to steer through to victory. Umar Akmal is definitely a very good find for Pakistan, today he controlled his aggression and played very sensibly.

    I have a feeling that Fawad Alam will get a chance in the next match. Anyways I gotta go now.

  42. #42 by Awas on September 23, 2009 - 6:40 PM

    Before this match, Pakistan had lost 6 out of 6 at Wanderers. It’s a relief that it wasn’t 7-0.

    They made a meal out of a small total even though the wicket was helpful to the bowlers. Most played rash strokes but Yousuf was the unlucky one. His leg glance that hit the thigh pad was considered out by the Ump.

    Umer Akmal deserves MOM. He played a very mature innings under the circumstances. He left a lot of balls outside the off-stump to begin with and hit some good shots only when he got his eye in.

  43. #43 by khansahab on September 23, 2009 - 7:04 PM

    Umer Akmal has proved to be a great find even though he has not been tested against the great bowling attacks. But where Malik, Misbah and dare I say, even Yousuf have shown mediocrity, he has shown some good sense. Hopefully this form will last.

    Yousuf should start performing very soon because if he fails in CT, it will be curtains for his ODI career. Malik and Misbah can get away with it, but Yousuf will not.

    And I don’t know why Misbah played so badly, what a pathetic player.

  44. #44 by khansahab on September 23, 2009 - 7:07 PM

    I should also give credit to Afridi who made 17 from 25 balls. If he can play like this more often he can become the world’s best all rounder. What he needs is responsibility. And it ought to come to him sooner or later.

  45. #45 by Awas on September 23, 2009 - 7:22 PM

    khansahab

    It wasn’t Yousuf’s fault that he got out, it was the Ump who gave him out wrongly as I said below.

    I watched some of the match live when I got home. Statistics might show that Afridi played a responsible innings but when he came, he was all at sea against the fast bowlers. He started with rash strokes. A couple of times, he just missed to nick the ball behind and could have even given a catch at long on. When his nerves steadied, he then played some good leg side glances.

    Nasser Hossein later in the studios quite rightly said that on hindsight Afridi would have realised he should not have taken his seamers off and bring spinners at this seamer friendly wicket when the total was 47-7. But then hindsight is a wonderful thing.

  46. #46 by Awas on September 23, 2009 - 9:58 PM

    Kirsten’s sex mantra for success

    Coach Gary Kirsten’s mantra to India to have sex to boost their competitiveness is the subject of much amusement.

    Kirsten, a former South African opening batsman, has reportedly handed out a four-part document which broadly envisages an active sexual life and a disciplined food and sporting habits, aimed at helping the players on and off the field.

    The document, the content of which are quite unusual, looks back into India’s history, its food habits and its lack of aggression.

    “From a psychological (body) perspective having sex increases testosterone levels, which causes in an increase in strength, energy, aggression and competitiveness.

    “Conversely, not having sex for a few months causes a significant drop in testosterone level in both males and females with the corresponding passiveness and decrease in aggression,” the document said.

    The document, jointly prepared by Kirsten and mental conditioning expert Paddy Upton, advice the cricketers ‘to go solo’ if they didn’t have any partner.

    The document’s section on food habits asked the players to stick to a strict diet regime.

    “(Acid in the body) causes the body to turn calories into fat, lowers the body’s ability to deliver oxygen to the working cells, and can also cause day time fatigue, irritability, low brain functioning, over-sexuality, anxiety, diarrhea, joint pain and difficulty sleeping at night,” the document said.

    The document also describes India’s lack of aggression by drawing historical examples.

    “India has never been an aggressor at war, they have never been first to strike. They have never taken the battle to the opposition … History will continue to be repeated if we fall foul of complacency, handing back the initiative compared to making winning a habit, where complacency is relegated to the history books,” it said.

  47. #47 by Shoaib on September 24, 2009 - 2:22 AM

    Javed Sahab, Khan kee ungli waha jaati hey, jaha Yuvi kee soch nahi jaa sakti

    Oh My Days!!

    Below par recital by Pakistan team against a club rank West Indies team, so are we dreaming to beat India or Australia with such performance?
    Oh!! My right arm swings around and Palm of my hand touches as a slap and smashes Wasim Akram’s long face, Blaappp!!!
    On one occasion Saeed Ajmal misfielded and co commentators said ‘’he has great reputation as a fielder’’ and wasim utters ‘’not really’’
    Umer Gul takes the wicket and Wasim Akram hollers with joy ‘we have got another wicket’’
    Fielding was just not impressive at all. In Batting Umer Akmal impressed a lot, beside the fact he is playing first time on the South African Bouncy pitches with the pressure to perform in the age of 19, he actually performs comprehensively well.

    Pakistan cricket players didn’t look sober, again the same kind of air as in the start of T20 09.

    Afridi may be is an aggressive captain but this aint gonna make him sagacious captain as well. There were times when fielding set up wasn’t correct. More than 5 players are outside the circle but still batsmen having consecutive boundaries. With such skills it will be very knotty for him to cash victory against any big team.

    Now GEO: Channel’s Commentators kept putting me off with their lack of commentary experience…..for example Shahid Afridi couldn’t time a shot really well, but it still managed for four runs, now Pakistani Commentators goes ‘’kitni achi timing say Shahid Afridi nay shot kheli aur ball goli kee terha boundary line kay bahir’’ and even ball was still inside the boundary.

    The finest ingredient I left it for the ending: when Pakistan started losing wickets quickly, a Pakistani ccommentator goes when ever Pakistan plays ICC Champions Trophy they grow the grass for Pakistan cricket team that would make it difficult for team.

    Oh my Days!!!

  48. #48 by Mohammed Munir on September 24, 2009 - 11:18 AM

    I am happy the was we won …

    A low profile win (Mar Mar Kay Jeetnaan) will keep our team’s as well as their management’s confidence in check.

    It will also help us to keep our feets planted firmly on the ground and shall mentally prepare us for any future defeats (which are expected seeing our batting performance).

    It’s never fun being a Pakistani fan 😦

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 24, 2009 - 12:22 PM

    Now, the news is Younus Khan is fit for the match to be played against India on Sept. 26th. I don’t understand how a fracture, even if it is a hairline fracture can heal so fast? And, why is there contradictory information?

    The questions to be asked are:

    1. Will he be fully fit to bat and field?
    2. Who will be dropped? Imran Nazir or Misbah?

    They will probably drop Nazir and make Shoaib Malik open the innings with Kamran Akmal. Misbah will still be lurking around with his mediocrity and so-called seniority.

    Imran Nazir is himself to be blamed for being so irresponsible, if he had stayed there for 8-10 overs he would have justified his place, but I doubt he will be considered for other matches after his last innings.

    Another question is who would be dropped if Asif is to be included in the team?

    All the fast bowlers bowled well in yesterday’s match it would be unfair if one of them is dropped, besides as most people know Rana is handy with the bat. Are there enough batsmen in the team? Judging from yesterday’s performance, the answer is NO.

    Malik, Misbah and Moulana needs to score big, otherwise their ODI career should be over.

  50. #50 by Awas on September 24, 2009 - 12:43 PM

    What Kamran Abbasi said below is spot on:

    “It was, however, Umar Akmal who added most to his reputation. A stunning entry on familiar tracks has been seen before. Many Pakistani batsmen have thundered into town only to be shot down by the first serious challenge. Umar came through a tricky situation on an unhelpful track, which is a sign that he may have the right mentality to blossom. Clearly, he has a long way to go but all Pakistan fans will be excited to see how he performs against stronger opposition.”

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 24, 2009 - 4:40 PM

    Awas

    This is so typical and so common among us desis that we all start worship the rising sun. Be it KA or anyone else, we start praising the performers, especially if he is new then we start comparing him with the former greats. You can add this to the list of those “do’s and don’t” of desi’s which you have recently emailed me.

    Yes, Umar Akmal is a good find but, we should not be praising him so much that it gets into his head, we already have a few spoiled cases on hand among the fast bowlers i.e., Asaf and Tanvir. And, don’t forget the Actor who got so much media attention and praise that he was a spoiled brat from day one i.e., after taking two wickets in two balls of Dravid and Tendulkar and his second and last achievement is his 100 mph ball. Apart from that he is a rogue player so full of tantrums and a disgrace for the nation.

    As regards KA’s comments on Afridi’s captaincy, once again it is too early to judge a captain from one or two performances. Afridi is lucky to have won the first T20 and first ODI he captained, but that is not the criteria to judge a captain or anyone’s performance for that matter. Instead of assessing individual players the critics should be evaluating the team performance, which is below par at the moment.

  52. #52 by Awas on September 24, 2009 - 5:00 PM

    Javed

    Basically what I stressed upon was different, not praise:

    A stunning entry on familiar tracks has been seen before
    ie he had performed well on familiar sub-continental tracks, so lets see what he does against better bowlers.

    Clearly, he has a long way to go

    Anyway, praise is something of a spontaneous reaction and one cannot stop it. It’s the person being praised needs to know better.

  53. #53 by Awas on September 25, 2009 - 1:17 PM

    Wanderers looks like fast bowlers paradise. A short time ago SL were 17-4 against England .

  54. #54 by Varun Suri on September 25, 2009 - 1:41 PM

    The Four Musketeers of Srilanka are all down in no time, maybe they took their (battered and embarassed to death) opponents England lightly but such is the beauty of the game of Cricket that it gives a chance to anyone who plays it with real passion and desire to win!!

  55. #55 by Pawan on September 26, 2009 - 3:10 AM

    Guys

    Few hours left for the match between India and Pakistan!
    Exciting that I finished all my work and am free to watch the match ball-by-ball now!

    India’s strong points going into the match: Tendulkar back in the opening slot along with Gautam Gambhir. Good form displayed by Dhoni and Raina as well. Raina’s bowling has come good in the last few matched. Harbhajan is always a handful considering his experience in pressure matched like these. Abhishek Nayyar might just get a chance instead of Yusuf Pathan. Intersting all rounder – medium pacer and can hit the ball quite a distance.

    India’s weak links: The medium pacers (read as slow bowlers). What more, they don’t even have any semblence of accuracy. Nehra, Ishant Sharma and whoever, simply rely on one thing — luck. Absence of Yuvraj would hurt more than Viru. Sehwag has been missing in action from a logn time now and the team is getting use to it, but to replace Yuvi would take a doing. Especially with his left arm “pie-chuckers”.

    Pakistan’s strong points: The team is in form now. Batting line up looks settled more or less with tremendous experience such as Yousuf, Younis, Afridi, Malik, Misbah, Akmal the keeper. That is a strong batting line up. Add to that the exuberance of the young Umar Akmal and it completes a very potent line up. Bowling looks settled as well with the advent of Aamer and Ajmal. I bet Indian’s don’t read Ajmal very well yet. They will need to play him more to get to know the tricks he employs, especially his doosra. Afridi has promised his fans he will win this one and once he decides no one can stop him, not even his ownself.

    Pakistan’s weak links: Openers are not yet settled as much as the team would have liked to. Middle order has looekd sluggish, in particular Yousuf and Misbah. At times I think these two guys look so out of place in todays ODI world. Rana Naveed is the key, if they play him. He has been known to have very good days against India, but also very bad days…

    Clearly, Pakistan are right on the money here. I won’t be surprised if Pakistan wins this match – frankly they deserve it. India is substantially weakened and Pakistan won’t get a better chance to get their record straight.

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 4:16 AM

    Quote…………… from cricinfo match preview.

    “I was told four weeks rest but I want to take my chance tomorrow, playing against India. Maybe if it wasn’t India I would’ve skipped this match” Younis Khan forgets his injury to take on traditional rivals……..

    This is a dual edged sword, if Younus Khan plays well and Pakistan wins, he will be hailed for heroics and bravery and if he fails and Pakistan loses then everyone will say, what a stupid decision, why the F did he play with a fractured finger?

    Personally, I think it is not a good decision to play, emotions aside one needs to think rationally if he was told by his doctors to rest for 4 weeks, it means something. All I can say is, “All the best.”

    Pawan

    Good analysis there, but when it comes to India Pakistan all that talk – about Afridi’s maturity that he is a different player now goes down the drain – he will be playing like a boom boom Afridi tomorrow and there is a 30 to 70 ration of his success and failure. Of course 70 is failure. But, he has played well at Centurion so, it depends if Pakistan bats first and the openers lay a good foundation and then he can loosen up his shoulders and go for big shots, since a long time he hasn’t played those big shots.

    As regards Rana, if he gets Tendulkar like he did on so many occasions then its is possible that India will slow down. Also, Tendulkar has this habit of getting out by new bowlers, when Shabbir was new he got him after bowling 2 no balls and 3 wides in one over. And, when Asif was new he got him a few times, when Rana was new he got him. And, now it is Mohammad Aamir who is new, and Tendulkar might like to unsettle him from the outset but, in doing so he might get carried away like he always does.

    According to him, his last ODI hundred was one of the best. May be for him but there are other good innings he played and in the last one, he got carried away in unsettling Mendis. I was happy to see him hitting a six and 2 fours with a reverse sweep, but he got carried away and gave that wicket to Mendis and I didn’t like that. Because, I don’t want Mendis to get any wicket and get hammered all over.

    Varun

    The Sri Lankan team evolves around the four musketeers other than them, Samaraweera is just a test player and SHiT Kandam By is SHiT Kandam By, sometimes he plays well and sometimes he gets constipated. Mathews is turning out to be a good all-rounder.

    I may not be watching the match live on TV (although all my friends are watching and they have invited me to come to the open house brunch and big screen TV) because of my family commitments and I am feeling very bad but that is more important for me. You guys can update me here on the blog, I will read it later.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 4:20 AM

    “Wanderers looks like fast bowlers paradise. A short time ago SL were 17-4 against England.”

    AWAS

    That was the same pitch on which Pakistan played West Indies. Yes, you are right it is indeed a bowlers paradise and I think Afridi did not read that, had he continued with his fast bowlers instead of spin, WI would have been all out under 75. Remember they were 47 / 7………… anyways tomorrow Australia is playing against WI and run rate will be under microscope. Because, even if Pakistan wins against India tomorrow they will have to make sure they beat Australia too otherwise, the net run rate will play a big role in deciding the top two teams. Now, even India, when they play against West Indies will keep this in mind.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 9:36 AM

    LOL @ Wanderer’s wicket, Shane Watson was out on a DUCK. Earlier, Jayasuriya on 0, and Dilshan on 2, so there must be some consolation for the Pakistani batsmen especially for Imran Nazir………and that will prompt Younus Khan to give Nazir another chance to open against India @ the Centurion which favours the batsmen and the spin bowlers. By the time the spinners come to bowl, Imran Nazir may have gone after doing the damage.

    The news is Younus Khan will play but, Misbah will sit out. Seems Some Sense and Sensibility if that happens. 😀 At the same time it would be a disastrous decision if YK gets out cheaply. So, like I have said, it would be a dual edge sword for YK.

  59. #59 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 10:19 AM

    There are a number of articles on Cricinfo on this Indo Pak match but the funniest bit was what Kamran Abbasi said:

    India have also indulged in some pre-tournament nonsense with Gary Kirsten’s sex dossier urging the Indian players to indulge often, and even single-handedly, to build testosterone levels. A quick search of Google Scholar provides no reliable evidence that sex can boost testosterone levels sufficiently to enhance performance. The evidence on going “solo” is non existent. It’s a study that might be difficult to conduct as most top sportsmen probably want to keep their nocturnal shenanigans to themselves. Either way, India’s opponents will take great pleasure in the sledging opportunities that been showered upon them.

  60. #60 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 11:15 AM

    According to Geo News Misbah will sit out and Nazir is playing. Younis obviously replaces Misbah.

    I think it’s a good decision. Of course they now need to replace Malik with Fawad Alam.

  61. #61 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 11:45 AM

    khansahab

    I think this is good move that Misbah is being kept out. My fear was that it could be Yousaf who is left out because of his poor fielding. But the big matches are for big players, so Yousaf should play.

  62. #62 by Varun Suri on September 26, 2009 - 12:11 PM

    On The Day of Reckoning it is advantage Pakistan first up, Younis won the toss and Misbah is out, the pitch is too dry and the Indian fast bowlers are the perfect fodder for the likes of Afridi and Younis. In my view only Bhajji can apply some brakes as he has always done in crucial matches.

  63. #63 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 12:40 PM

    Normally, captain loosing the toss is asked if he would have preferred to bat instead had he won the toss but for some reason Sanjay Majrekar interviewing Dhoni never asked him that question.

  64. #64 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 12:40 PM

    RP and Nehra are bowling badly and the Pakistani openers are keeping their cool. Good start by Pakistan.

  65. #65 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 12:54 PM

    As expected Imran Nazir got carried away and played one shot too many ending in losing his wicket. Pitch is flat there isn’t much the medium pacers can do on this wicket. This will be a high scoring match, slight advantage to Pakistan since India has to chase under lights, if the score is around 275 or so then the pressure of chasing will work against India. Especially no Yuvi in the middle order.

  66. #66 by Mohammed Munir on September 26, 2009 - 1:26 PM

    It was 51 for 1 in 7 overs, but now it is 54 for 2 in 12 overs thanks to Malik who is playing a test even when PP2 is on.

    Advantage India.

  67. #67 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 1:41 PM

    Reckless shot by Younis. There was no need to play that at this stage. If you want to know why Younis does not average 40 in ODI’s, this is exactly the reason.

  68. #68 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 1:43 PM

    Yeah, and so was Imran Nazir – Reckless

  69. #69 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 1:58 PM

    In the last 10 overs the run rate was just 2.

  70. #70 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 2:08 PM

    Please don’t do this, please!!

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 2:13 PM

    I am here for a short while checking scores. ……

    What a pathetic run rate by Shoaib Malik …. 15 runs in 37 balls, a strike rate of 42 ! He is only playing for himself to score a fifty and stay in the team. Team jeetay, haaray that is not his concern.

    And what do you expect from Imran Nazir? He always plays a reckless shot and get out. But, what has Younus Khan done? Just 20 runs, that is not was expected from him.

    These are part time bowlers (Kohli and My nick name is Yousuf Pathan) and if they can’t score easily now then they can’t post a big total and with strong Indian batting line up, it would be difficult to defend that total of 240-250

  72. #72 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    I’m watching this match with great agony, shoaib malik is struggling to keep up even singles!

  73. #73 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 2:40 PM

    Least one batsman should start hitting a bit, it’s 31st over and they are still playing test match!

  74. #74 by Pawan on September 26, 2009 - 2:41 PM

    Pakistan are on their way for 270 runs at least because they have wickets in hand. That is a pretty good score with a balanced bowling line up. Exciting match on hands!

  75. #75 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 2:42 PM

    I don’t know why should I not swear at Shoaib Malik’s performance, BC!!!

  76. #76 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 3:31 PM

    Eat your heart out Javed and all Malik detractors, the “meesna” Malik is rocketing to a superb 100, and against who? Against India in a highly visible match, this one innings is going to be remembered for a long time if Pakistan go on to win this match, which they sure look like at this point, scoring will be hard batting second with pressure of chasing big target. This will be Malik’s masterpiece, reply to Tendulkar’s 91 back in ’03 WC. Hah! What an irony, this is coming from not Younis, not Yousuf, not Afridi, but Shoaib Malik!!!

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 3:33 PM

    When the “F” will they take the batting power play?

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 3:35 PM

    newguy

    Yes, he got his 100 and you are so right about it.

  79. #79 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 3:36 PM

    Harbhajan was toothless today, that could be the big difference in the middle overs, but then both Yousuf and Malik are excellent players of spin, they navigated the middle overs quite well, settling in and then raising the tempo, classical ODI innings. Younger batsmen should learn from this on how to build an ODI innings, it’s not all slam bang stuff like Nazir, Akmal, et all think, that’s for T20. India lost a trick or two against these two smart batsmen in the middle.

  80. #80 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 3:39 PM

    Newguy

    The first 50 runs he made were made in a pathetic way, very slow and selfish knock. And then he let loose.

    If he had shown a little more character Pakistan would have been around 300 + now. Yousuf played much better than him, and mind you when Yousuf came Pakistan was under more pressure. It was like a do or die situation.

    Still, I’m not taking credit away from Malik who is hammering directionless Indian bowling.

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 3:39 PM

    Out of all the Indian bowlers, Nehra who was most criticized is the pick of the bowlers, the most economical and must successful.

    It is time for them to free their arms and score big, they must try to get at least 10 an over from here.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 3:48 PM

    Partnership of 200 plus, they should hit every ball now. The batting power play is on plus there are plenty of big hitters behind them. So, they don’t need to play safe or look for remaining not out and improve their averages.

  83. #83 by Mohammed Munir on September 26, 2009 - 3:54 PM

    We want around 320 from here.

    Now advantage Pakistan.

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 3:59 PM

    One shot too many!

    I don’t understand why the batsmen underestimate the bowlers? Afridi played that shot by moving on to the leg side and playing it through covers for a four and then he tried to repeat it and my nick name is YP tricked him by keeping the ball a little further off the off stumps and Afridi could only nick it.

    LOL @ UA getting a duck now.

    Rana to come in and join Malik, now Malik definitely needs to stay till the end, 13 balls remaining

  85. #85 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 4:04 PM

    Mediocre Malik smashed 128. Now he will be in the team for another year despite not being able to play on seaming tracks and Australia/South Africa.

  86. #86 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 4:05 PM

    Munir you can dream of 320 now, they can hardly make 310 from here. After his 50 Malik played like a different batsman altogether and this is how he should have been playing and must play like this……… i.e., how he played after his 50

  87. #87 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 4:10 PM

    Malik is gone now, but a potential match winning innings, Harbhajan went for 71 runs in his 10 overs. This is clearly pathetic bowling given he is the premier spinner, not matter how good the batsmen are against spin he should have been able to control it better. Fast bowlers in my opinion did the job, took the early wickets and kept runs reasonably well, it is Harbhajan’s inability to take wickets or stem the flow of runs that cost India.

    From here on, it is going to be very hard to chase 300+, but doable if two or three batsmen can play out of their skins. India surely has the batting power, it’s a question of how well Pakistan can bowl and field.

    Will they get carried away and bowl wayward or will they bowl to their field? We’ll wait and see.

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 4:11 PM

    Seems like they will get all out today…….. this is what Pakistan team is, tu chall mai aya! Line lug gayee!

  89. #89 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 4:12 PM

    Newguy

    Excellent assessment- India does have the batting power, but now Pakistan has to bowl and field well if they want to win.

  90. #90 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 4:14 PM

    Excellent final over from Ishant, just two runs and took two wickets, proving what I said earlier that it wasn’t fast bowlers who gave it away. Both Nehra and Ishant bowled well given the circumstances. Malik’s innings and Harbhajan’s is probably the difference today. Due credit to Yousuf too, he is the one who took the pressure away.

    Question to all of you Pakistan supporters, why is it that they play like world champions against India always and come out with pathetic performance against others?

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 4:16 PM

    Pakistan’s last 5 overs or the batting power play was the most unproductive part of their innings and the most productive one for India. Hence, even when India will bat, the last 5 overs are going to be the decider. If India plays sensibly they can easily chase this total with success. Especially with the likes of Gambhir, Tendulkar, Dravid and Dhoni and then a few big hitters like, my name is yp and Suresh Tendulkar 🙂


    The result will be known more or less by the end of 30 overs.

  92. #92 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 4:17 PM

    Newguy

    In major ICC events India has always had the upper hand. So I don’t think it’s right to say Pakistan always plays like champions against India. Although I admit players like Malik perform extraordinarily well against India, Pakistani bowlers are not that great against India, too.

    It is strange though that Younis, Malik, Misbah, Akmal etc have good records against India.

  93. #93 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 4:28 PM

    Khansahab,

    I was referring to players like Malik, Butt, Nazir, Akmal, etc raising their game and playing like Ricky Ponting when they play India 🙂 I mean today Malik and Yousuf played nothing like how they have been playing of late, which is like hit with an s in front. ICC events agreed, but they are a handful of matches only. Anyhow, let’s see who can handle pressure better this time. If YKP or Raina come good today with a strong opening performance then India will will, we haven’t see by big hits from either of these two of late, my name is YP is probably on his last tour for a while if he cannot come good in this series.

  94. #94 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 4:35 PM

    Newguy

    I don’t think Nazir plays exceptionally well against India.

    Malik plays well because he plays like this against all those sides that don’t have quality pace. I am sure if Ishant was in the same form as a few months ago and if Zaheer Khan was playing, Malik would have struggled.

    Same goes for Butt, generally mediocre but feasts on flat tracks and mediocre pace. Also, Indian bowlers have always struggled against left handed batsmen, be it Butt, Anwar, Jayasuria or Hayden.

    As regards players like Younis and Inzamam, I think they just raise the bar and perform extraordinarily well, because they are capable of doing so, I guess. Interestingly Yousuf does not have that great a record against India.

  95. #95 by Mohammed Munir on September 26, 2009 - 4:42 PM

    I think with 1 or 2 big overs of 15/ 20 runs and less wickets (as 6/7 balls got wasted for outs), we could have reached around 320.

    Anyway, now the million dollar question is that is 302 enough ??

  96. #96 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 4:52 PM

    Two contrasting statements here:

    Mediocre Malik smashed 128. Now he will be in the team for another year despite not being able to play on seaming tracks and Australia/South Africakhansahab

    After his 50 Malik played like a different batsman altogether and this is how he should have been playing and must play like this……… i.e., how he played after his 50 Javed

    Two very different statements here. The fact of the matter is it was a great partnership by Malik and Yousuf. And Malik’s 100 is definitely admirable in a crunch hyped up match. It doesn’t matter how it was achieved, whether slow to begin with or not. The reality is it was tough going to begin with, keeping wickets in hand was more important. Malik ended up with a strike rate of over 100 and a well deserved match winning century against India.

    Newguy 30 aptly said “ eat your heart out” and let me add what “conspiracy/politics”? As I said before, the best way to conspire if there is such thing then that is to perform well consistently for your country. Unfortunately such are the vagaries of cricket that even the world’s best cannot even score well ALWAYS.

  97. #97 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    Wow Amir said he wanted the great man Tendulkar’s scalp and he did it.

  98. #98 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 5:25 PM

    Javed was spot on few days back when he said Tendulkar may get out to Amir as he has tendency to get out to new bowlers, and he did. Anyhow, match is not over, India is not dependent on Tendular alone any more, and T20 has made chasing scores like 300 easier, it’s still gettable, 2 or 3 quick wickets will change all that.

  99. #99 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 5:26 PM

    What a moment for Mohd Aamer. What a talent, hope he continues the form.

  100. #100 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 5:36 PM

    Poor bowling by Amir after that wicket with some no balls costing runs with free hits.

  101. #101 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 5:51 PM

    A great start by Gauti and good platform set by him. Poor bowling with some no balls helped India too.

  102. #102 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 5:56 PM

    It looked like that was the only way to get Gauti out – run out. Great inspirational direct hit by Younus.

  103. #103 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 6:00 PM

    I tell you now, though pak made 302 but still they could have added 30,40 more runs, look at the way ghambir is playing is telling us there was nothing in the pitch for the bowlers

  104. #104 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 6:28 PM

    Gul finally caught the catch off Afridi after three attempts…the ball just wouldn’t stick in his hands but finally did.

  105. #105 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 6:34 PM

    Afridi on a roll…got Dhoni. It’s a crunch match of big men!!!

  106. #106 by Mohammed Munir on September 26, 2009 - 7:04 PM

    Why is Younis continuing with Gul for god sake ?

    Today is not Gul’s day anyway.

  107. #107 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 7:05 PM

    Hi Guys,

    At this point the game is slipping towards Pakistan, next 10 overs we will know for sure. The difference is how Pakistan spinners, Afridi and Ajmal is bowling versus the toothless display by Bhajji. Definitely spirited performance by Pakistan today, I just hope India will make a match out of it.

  108. #108 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 7:08 PM

    Newguy

    Don’t lose hope yet; India needs about 120 runs from the same number of balls and they have Pathan and Harbhajan who can bat very well.

    In fact the game is poised equally at the moment between the 2 sides. If Pakistan pick a wicket in the next 5 overs they will have the upper hand and if they don’t, India will.

  109. #109 by M. Y. Kasim on September 26, 2009 - 7:11 PM

    I think Younus Khan should not bowl Umer Gul for atleast another 10/12 overs as he is not controlling his line or lenghth. Instead, he should bring back Rana Naved to contain the flow of runs and continue with Shahid Afridi and Saeed Ajmal/Shoaib Malik from the other end till they exhaust their quotas and bring back Gul and Aamer if need be.

  110. #110 by Mohammed Munir on September 26, 2009 - 7:16 PM

    Did anyone notice Afridi planting a perfect kiss (puppy/ chummi) on Shoaib Malik’s cheek when he took Dhoni’s wicket and Malik came to congratulate him ??

    Well, actually when Afridi took Dhoni’s wicket and he was celebrating in his usual style by standing in the middle of the pitch hands high, Malik came from behind and jumped at his back, so Afridi looked back from his shoulder and when he confirmed that who it was, he kissed Malik on his cheek.

  111. #111 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 7:39 PM

    If Afridi hadn’t picked up Dhoni, India would have been in a strong position now.

    Afridi’s spell was outstanding and he is the one who applied the brakes to India’s onslaught.

  112. #112 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    India got his 12th man, big horse face umar gul

  113. #113 by M. Y. Kasim on September 26, 2009 - 7:43 PM

    In all the hulla-boo, nobody has even noticed the serene batting of that real master batsman, Rahul Dravid.

    He is the the biggest threat to Pakistan, as long as he is there, he can win it for India. If Pakistan wants to win this one, they have to remove him somehow. There is no other way. Period.

  114. #114 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 7:46 PM

    India got his 12th man, big horse face umar gul

    Shoaib

    What does this comment mean?

  115. #115 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 7:48 PM

    Unlucky Younas khan, after Amir’s spell and ajmal’s 3 overs no one is left to consume less than 5 runs per over

  116. #116 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 7:49 PM

    Munir sahab

    I agree Younis should not have persisted with Gul, say after Gul’s 4th over. But what amazes me is Younis’s obsession with letting Malik bowl 2 or 3 overs EVERY match and relieving the pressure off the batsmen.

    I don’t know what purpose this serves, I mean why can’t Malik be used as a PARTNERSHIP BREAKER rather than someone who helps batsmen form a partnership?

  117. #117 by Mohammed Munir on September 26, 2009 - 7:57 PM

    Wall has fallen, on India itself, it seems 😉

  118. #118 by M. Y. Kasim on September 26, 2009 - 8:04 PM

    Cheer up boys!! You are near! When I said somehow, I meant somehow! There was no way any Pakistani bowler could get Dravid out EXCEPT run-out and that is how he got out. Now start preparing for the celebrations ( hopefully )

  119. #119 by Mohammed Munir on September 26, 2009 - 8:04 PM

    I guess it’s a case of Indian penal Code No. 302 (Dafa 302) (Saza-e-Mout) for India now 😉

  120. #120 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 8:05 PM

    Well done Pakistan…victory is in the bag.

  121. #121 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 26, 2009 - 8:11 PM

    Even from run rate point of view India will be way behind Pakistan i.e., if at all if comes to that level. Congratulations Pakistan for winning with a convincing margin of 54 runs with 5.1 overs to spare.

  122. #122 by M. Y. Kasim on September 26, 2009 - 8:15 PM

    C O N G R A L U T I O N S to all.

    Is there anything else to add?

    I dont think so.

  123. #123 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 8:28 PM

    Even Ravi Shastri couldn’t save himself from pathan’s patting :))

  124. #124 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 8:29 PM

    khansahab

    It wasn’t just Dhoni’s wicket that Afridi took was important. As usual Afridi played his big hand. According to Harsha Bogle commentating Jammal was the pick of the bowlers “for him”.

    There were many contributing factors in the win. To begin with Gauti’s run out was very important as he was running away with a brisk knock. Then Pakistan’s big partnership between Malik and Yousaf was all important match winning effort. It doesn’t matter what Malik can or cannot do on pacy wickets, but in this crunch nerve wrecking game where even the likes of Umer Gul lost the plot, Malik’s effort is praiseworthy and deserving MOM.

  125. #125 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 8:36 PM

    Awas

    His effort is praiseworthy, which is why I earlier stated I don’t want to take credit away from him when he was “hammering the directionless Indian bowlers”. However, I will definitely say Yousuf played much better because his innings was more fluent and he came when Pakistan was under immense pressure. Plus, Malik plays India exceptionally whereas Yousuf does not. (Malik averages 52 vs India and Yousuf averages 39, whereas their allover averages are 35 and 43 respectively)

    Kohli is not a big fish so I did not emphasise Afridi taking his wicket. However, Dhoni would have been the key because he is one of the best pressure players in the world. You can say that was the turning point because after that it would have been very difficult for the inexperienced Raina and Pathan to score 200+ runs or whatever was required.

    One can say Malik played brilliantly and deserved MOM, but what does it say about his overall calibre? Nothing. He has played like this before i.e. against India on a batting paradise. The point is whether he deserves to play top level cricket and the answer is a frank “no”.

  126. #126 by newguy30 on September 26, 2009 - 8:45 PM

    Hi Guys,

    Excellent win for Pakistan. There was not much difference between the two teams today, bowlers went for plenty on both side, except as I said Afridi/Ajmal fared better than Harbhajan, in the end that was the difference. Of course, you can say things like Gambhir dismissal and Raina dismissal were turning points, they were, but these things happen. In the recent Compaq cup final SL chased 320 againt India and in the end fell short even though they were ahead at one point. So the partnership in the middle overs between Yousuf/Malik was the key.

    Anyhow, India has their work cut out, but I don’t think they need to worry too much, they can beat Australia and WI. They just have to play well and bring out the performance that took them to #1 spot, even if it were for a few days.

  127. #127 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 9:00 PM

    Khansahab, I meant India wasn’t just playing with 11 players, tired umar gul was helping them too, I was bothered by his attitude

  128. #128 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 9:04 PM

    khansahab

    Whether Malik is a “deserving” player or not that’s an altogether different debate. We all have our well debated views on Malik before but it’s no good debasing his effort in any way in this particular match. In the context of this match without his knock, the match would have been India’s. As I said before where even our best bowlers were losing the plot, knocks like Mailk and Yousuf’s count a lot.

    Ajmal got Raina in similar fashion as Afridi got Dhoni but the difference is Raina was well set and like Gauti was running away with the match at a very good strike rate and is the type of player who could have won the match had he stayed till the end more so than Dravid. Raina has already shown he can do that in SL when he stayed till the end and won the match. Consequently, Ajmal’s wicket of Raina is equally praiseworthy if not more. As I said before for Harsha Bhogle, pick of the bowlers was Ajmal and Michael Atherton expressed similar views in Sky Studios.

  129. #129 by khansahab on September 26, 2009 - 9:12 PM

    Awas

    If Afridi hadn’t taken Dhoni, Raina wouldn’t have come out to bat 🙂

  130. #130 by Awas on September 26, 2009 - 9:17 PM

    khansahab

    Okay…but who was well set? A scalp of a set player is better in my book than what a non starter could and could not have done. Perhaps i’m just highlighting some biases here 🙂

  131. #131 by Varun Suri on September 26, 2009 - 10:20 PM

    Congratulations to the Pakistani Team and all the fans! as expected the 300 total proved to be a bit too much for the depleted Indian Batting Line up!!
    With today’s effort everyone can be rest assured that Malik is not going to go anywhere and will be a part of Pakistani Team for some time to come, well if he plays like he did today then nobody will mind otherwise if he gets into the dirty politicking then there would be few who would not be entirely happy with his performance today as many would have liked to see him fail and make way for maybe Fawad Alam or someone else.

    Anyways, it’s time for some celebrations and it is more impprtant to celebrate this victory and savour this moment and then look forward tomorrow morning.

    Once again, Congratulations to everyone and hopefully Pakistan will continue to break the so called JINX by going to win the Champions Trophy after beating India in a World Championship!

  132. #132 by Shoaib on September 26, 2009 - 10:53 PM

    Thanks Varun, and i hope india will have their come back after playing against Australia.

  133. #133 by Pawan on September 27, 2009 - 4:24 AM

    India played pathetically. It all started with Harbhajan. My point is if Ajmal, another off spinner can bowl so brilliantly, why can’t this idiotic jaat do the same? Ajmal did the job quietly, but Bhajji after so many tantrums bowled even worse than YK Pathan. Shame on him. Both are off spinners. But I guess sardar left his brains at the hotel today. He needs to sit out next game. Amit Mishra is hungry for success and that should drive him, at least he will give an honest effort. Judi-Boy needs to rest his antenna.

  134. #134 by Awas on September 27, 2009 - 10:37 AM

    Pawan

    LOL @ your criticism of Jaat…good one!

  135. #135 by Awas on September 27, 2009 - 10:43 AM

    Malik, whose hundred was his seventh in one-day internationals, said: “The hundred was important but what is more important is when the team wins.

    “That’s what makes me happy and right now I am very happy because we won this match. I just want to carry my form now and I want to score more runs for the team.”

  136. #136 by Mohammed Munir on September 27, 2009 - 12:46 PM

    Shoaib Malik’s innings was absolutely fantastic and we should not be ‘Can-Juice’ in appreciating and praising him. Yes, I agree he started slow rather very slow, but he paced his innings well. We should openly and wholeheartedly accept that Shoaib definitely played a pivotal role in orchestrating Pakistani Team’s win. Similarly, Mohammed Yousuf also played a vital part and at one stage he played even better then Malik as Yousuf was regularly taking singles and rotating the strikes.

    Younis Khan faltered with a few decisions like continuing with Umar Gul, bowling changes and bringing in Malik for bowling, but since we won the all important game no one would like to discuss these minor issues.

    On a different note, I think there lies a problem in our batting order as immediately after two blasting openers we have a string of slow batters like Younis, Malik, Yousuf and even Misbah. This is again followed by a few fast playing batsmen like Afridi, Umer Akmal and Rana/ Razaq. What I suggest is that Team Pakistan should try to mix their slow batsmen and stroke players same like India does. Secondly, it would be a good idea to try to bring Umer Akmal earlier as so far he have shown good temperament and can also play decently fast when required.

  137. #137 by newguy30 on September 27, 2009 - 1:46 PM

    Pawan, I think your criticism Harbhajan is fair, but let’s not go too far and say drop him. Only recently he took 5 wickets in a final to win another high scoring game for Ind against SL. Moreover, Harbhajan is a always a great performer against Aussies. He had an off day yesterday, these things happen. People from sub-continent need to realize this is after all a game. What is important is how they bounce back.

    Another thing to note is that 300 is a par score on good batting wickets these days, it’s just like 250 10 years back. So, top sides should be ready to chase down targets like this and India could have had they held their cool. The way Gambhir was batting there was nothing the bowling could do at that time, I got the feeling he got pumped up too much and gave it away, that run out was so silly. They made mistakes in batting that cost them, the bowling was not threatening at all, when you lose couple of wickets and chasing big total you tend to slow down.

  138. #138 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 27, 2009 - 1:54 PM

    Guys; you are all right in saying Malik’s innings was good, yes indeed he played the second part of his innings after scoring 50 like a Malik of the past and definitely he deserved the MoM award and he must play like this.

    Now my suggestion is to drop UMAR GUL and replace him with ASAF, and make no more changes in the team

  139. #139 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 27, 2009 - 1:58 PM

    I have just read the news on cricinfo and Sehwag say’s “Gambhir should be he future captain of India.”

    I would say NOT AT ALL. Gambhir is not only immature and not ready for the job, he has a hot head big temper and uses foul language for no reason. Although I didn’t see the match but, my friends were saying that when he was run out and was departing he made a big fuss and was saying MF, BC, F OFF, X^^&%$#@ blah, blah to Dravid for getting him run out. This is not captains material for a national team. He can lead his Delhi side and exchange words like these with Nehra and Sehwag. Dhoni is more sober, cool and still very young to continue leading India for long time to come.

    Pawan
    Varun

    what do you think?

  140. #140 by newguy30 on September 27, 2009 - 2:21 PM

    Javed, I too read the article you are talking about, I think media hypes up just about anything to get a catchy caption going, this is something Sehwag said in a interview as a general opinion he has about his Delhi mate and opening partner, no need for Cricinfo to write up that as the main caption. This is outright silly, there is no need for thinking about a future India caption at all for the foreseeable future.

    And regarding his temper I agree, I was thinking about the 96′ WC match between these two side and how Aamir Sohail had the Indian bowling at his will only to throw it away, same situation Gambhir was in yesterday, he just lost his cool, I could see he was mouthing off bad words as he was walking back, but he shas only himself to blame, he made no attempt to get back to crease, no diving or anything, he probably thought Younis Khan will not hit the stumps as is normal with subcontinental players, and Younis is not known to be a great fielder, but you have to respect your opposition no matter what, it was complacency on his part. The younger Indian players have a lot to learn on and off the field behavior.

  141. #141 by khansahab on September 27, 2009 - 3:07 PM

    Munir sahab

    Saying one is biased or “kanjoos” with praise can also be a function of one’s own bias. At the end of the day, your reasoning matters and not labels such as “bias” or “miserly” with compliments or praises.

    They say “All is well that ends well” and Malik’s century was exactly that. We have seen him many times, how he starts very selfishly, scores 30 odd and seems to play only for himself, and then he starts attacking. Mostly he gets out after 35, and on rare occasions he scores a century like he did against India yesterday. It could have been another 30 odd innings from him and we would all be saying, “Oh what a rubbish player” etc. Also I don’t understand with this statement that he played a “beautifully crafted” innings. Scoring your first 30 runs in 65 balls or something and then scoring your next 80 runs in 50 balls is not “beautifully crafted”.

    He is a very limited player and the essential question is, are all these praises actually leading to something productive? The answer is no, because we have seen nothing new for him and at his best he is only a decent ODI player and nothing great like Yousuf or Younis. In Pakistan we have this culture of “silencing” your critics and Malik just plays cricket to silence his critics. He does not play to change their views about him. I won’t be silent, in fact I will be very vocal about this mediocre player who has gotten away with his mediocrity on so many occasions.

    If he can play on seaming tracks better and if his batting becomes more selfless, then I will definitely praise him. I used be a fan of his when I thought he was a selfless and decent ODI player.

  142. #142 by khansahab on September 27, 2009 - 3:11 PM

    Owais Shah is an enigma. What a knock by him today, 98 from 89 balls against South Africa. He is a bit like Younis Khan in ODI’s, outstanding on his day and then reckless on other days.

  143. #143 by khansahab on September 27, 2009 - 3:15 PM

    Younis brokered truce between Malik, Yusuf

    Karachi: They were not even on talking terms just a few months back with a history of bad blood between them but Shoaib Malik and Muhammad Yousuf put aside their personal differences to set up a morale boosting win against arch-rivals India on Saturday.

    And the credit for bringing about a change in the attitude in the Pakistan dressing room goes to skipper Younis Khan, according to team sources.

    Last year Yousuf after joining the unofficial Indian Cricket League had directly blamed Malik for insulting and mistreating him in his (Malik’s) tenure as captain.

    Yousuf had blamed Malik’s shoddy treatment as the reason for his joining the ICL from which he resigned in June to make a comeback to the national team.

    And even before joining the ICL it was no secret that Malik and Yousuf didn’t get along well because of Malik’s elevation to the captaincy after their 2007 World Cup debacle.

    “They were not even on talking terms until recently. But Younis played a big role in removing the bad blood between the two senior players,” one source in the Pakistan team said.

    The source added that ever since replacing Malik as captain, Younis had been trying hard to gel the players even though he was aware that some of them were working against him behind his back.

    Former skipper Rashid Latif also praised Younis for making a difference with his leadership.

    “All credit to Younis. He has set clear goals for himself and his team and he is now doing his best to see the team achieves these goals,” he said.

  144. #144 by khansahab on September 27, 2009 - 3:17 PM

    Malik refuses to become make shift opener

    Centurion: Pakistan middle-order batsman Shoaib Malik has refused to open the innings in case the team management decides to send him up the batting order as the regular openers have not been so successful in the ongoing Champions Trophy, The News reports.

    According to sources privy to the Pakistani dressing room, Malik is reluctant to open the innings which has forced the team management to drop Misbah-ul Haq in order to accommodate captain Younis Khan.

    It may be noted that the selection committee had declared Malik as a back up opener while announcing the team for the eight-nation tournament. Selectors had then said that because Malik was in the team they didn’t select another opener Salman Butt.

    “Malik would be there to open the innings in case any of the first priority opener gets injured or fail to click,” the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) selection committee had said.

    Considering the form of both the current openers Imran Nazir and Kamran Akmal, who managed just five runs between them in the game against West Indies and also failed in the important match against India, Pakistan surely requires another specialist opener.

  145. #145 by khansahab on September 27, 2009 - 3:18 PM

    The very praiseworthy Malik is scared of facing the new ball.

  146. #146 by Awas on September 27, 2009 - 4:23 PM

    Javed

    I don’t think Umer Gul should be dropped. One bad day doesn’t mean he should be replaced especially when he is considered to be leading the pace attack. The number of no-balls that got the full treatment seem to have unsettled him. Quality bowlers come out stronger after a match like this and he definitely is.

    Now that Rana Naved seems to have got into some kind of rhythm, who was the weakest link to begin with, there should be no changes to our bowling attack.

  147. #147 by Varun Suri on September 27, 2009 - 5:30 PM

    Javed@142,

    On the issue of what Sehwag has said about Gambhir the important thing to be noted is that he said that he sh

  148. #148 by Awas on September 27, 2009 - 5:35 PM

    khansahab

    I never mentioned Fawad Alam, only a deserving youngster 🙂

  149. #149 by Varun Suri on September 27, 2009 - 5:38 PM

    that he should be modelled as a future captain which might not be possible atleast in the next 3-4 years unless until Dhoni’s form and record starts to falter so badly that the selectors think it’s time for a new captain. I think Gambhir has enough time on his hands to get rid of his aggressiveness or else he would also end up like Yuvraj who could never become the captain of the Indian side.

    I think Gambhir could defnitely captain India in future but he has to do more meditation and control his nerves( apni indriyo ko apne vash me karna ) and then he can be someone like Ganguly he was also aggressive but not in a abusive way and another co-incidence is that both of them are lefties. Aggression should be channelled through the right areas and that is the job of Team Sycologists and such-like who i am sure already guide these players in how to remain calm and normal considering the fan-following and the star status they seem to have in the subcontinent.

  150. #150 by khansahab on September 27, 2009 - 5:41 PM

    Awas

    I am so sorry to miscomprehend. You obviously meant Inzamam!

  151. #151 by Awas on September 27, 2009 - 6:03 PM

    khansahab

    Yeah, I am fine with another young Inzi coming along 🙂

    Its funny that you could predict I would mention Fawad Alam in this discussion but Fawad Alam was never in the back of your mind is at odds with each other.

  152. #152 by M. Y. Kasim on September 27, 2009 - 6:09 PM

    I had written a blog on Cricinfo’s Pakspin earlier today advocating the inclusion of Mohammad Asif to strengthen our bowling without dropping any of our current five bowlers. Instead, any one of non-performing batsman should be dropped since Australia’s bowling is not that threatening and our batsmen (minus one) could manage decent score. It is their batting that has to be conained and for that, Asif and Aamer in tandem has to be unleashed in the early overs, as Umer Gul is not a new ball bowler anymore. He is effective only after the ball is 20+ overs old. Not only effective, deadly. Dropping him is suicidal. One bad day and the swords are drawn! Rana is the one in between to contain the flow of runs and put the pressure and if he can get a wicket or two, fine.

    If six batsmen can’t do the job, then one more would’nt matter.

    Finally, one win does’nt make us world champions. There is a long, tough road ahead. We have to analyse our mistakes and shortcomings and remove and adjust every step accordingly.

    As I have said in my earlier blog, nothing short of the C U P is acceptable!

  153. #153 by khansahab on September 27, 2009 - 6:10 PM

    Awas

    He was not at the back of my mind, but I predicted he would be at the back of YOUR mind. Simply because in the past you have assumed wrongly that I criticise Malik because I support Alam.

  154. #154 by Awas on September 27, 2009 - 6:22 PM

    khansahab

    I have never praised Malik “in the past” bar one occasion when he scored a good knock in a match where you and I both praised him.

    Neither have I ever mentioned that you criticise Malik because of your support of Alam. I recall Munir once did and you retorted by “predicting” it was coming. This one you have definitely mixed up and “miscomprehend”.

  155. #155 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 27, 2009 - 9:58 PM

    “he (Gambhir) probably thought Younis Khan will not hit the stumps as is normal with subcontinental players, and Younis is not known to be a great fielder,”

    newguy

    Younus is a very good fielder, he has taken many catches and got many run outs. One of his class run outs was, when he was fielding at short midwicket and the batsmen hit the ball to Younus’s right side and the other batsmen at the other end was Sehwag, he had walked down a couple of steps and looked at Younus stopping the ball, he thought “OK he stopped it so what?” But, Younus threw the ball in one action like a lightening and the wickets were shattered and Sehwag still stood there in total disbelief, then he walked away to the pavilion.

  156. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 27, 2009 - 10:24 PM

    Mr. Kasim & Awas

    My suggestion about dropping Umar Gul is not based on one performance, if you look at Umar Gul’s last few ODI’s and even test match performance they are pretty abysmal. But, by no means I consider him as a bad bowler. Perhaps Asif might perform better in SA like he did before.

    I liked the idea of Mr. Kasim that is to include Asif by dropping one of the weaker batsmen and that could be Imran Nazir, unless Malik is willing to open and he must. If Malik had failed in this match and they would have asked him to open the innings he would have said, “I am happy to play at any position.” But, after this 128 he wants to dictate his terms.


    Varun

    Four five years is a different Matter, but Dhoni is only 3 months older than Gambhir so there is not much of an age difference between the two and, if Dhoni is performing well as a captain there is no need to sow the seeds of captaincy in Gambhir’s mind now because, that will make him feel more important and may effect his performance. Secondly, Dhoni is such a good player that he should not be given this hint or indication that India is planning to groom another captain besides Dhoni, this is not like keeping a second wicketkeeper in the team. It will effect the performance of both these players in a negative way.

    Dhoni was never a gaali baaz or a short tempered player like Gambhir is, in fact he was more jovial, chubby, long haired happy go lucky type of person. He changed his personality to look like a more sober captain and he indeed is. So, there is no need from Sehwag or anyone to air such concerns or supporting views for his buddy Gambhir, kay usss ko kaptaan banao future ka! Why? Just leave Dhoni to do the job, after all Tendulkar, Dravid, Zahir Khan, even Harbhajan are senior to Dhoni and they all play under Dhoni’s captaincy with ease. Just one or two bad performances from the team because of poor bowling does not mean Dhoni is a bad captain. India did manage to achieve the ICC rankings number one spot under his captaincy be it for 17 hours but, at least they achieved that.

  157. #157 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 27, 2009 - 10:27 PM

    England team is playing pretty well these days and if they play like this they can beat any team in the world and I won’t be surprised if they win this cup. In fact some people should place their bets on England while the stakes are high and reap the profits.

    Ovais Shah is unlucky to have missed his century but he played really very well. And, I am glad that SA is out of the tournament and I also want Sri Lanka to be out. Let England and New Zealand come up from that group.

  158. #158 by Shoaib on September 28, 2009 - 1:28 AM

    What a shame 2 good teams are out of the league. I still think malik would have not made good score without maulvi sahab on the other end, very mature and persistent inning from calm maulvi. Ghambir was mouthing off even when he was still on the pitch before running out like MC, BC, FO

  159. #159 by Shoaib on September 28, 2009 - 1:46 AM

    Well guys Srilanka is not out of the tournament yet, according to points table if new Zealand lost his next match then Sri lanka will qualify for the semis.

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 28, 2009 - 3:57 AM

    Ghambir was mouthing off even when he was still on the pitch before running out like, MC, BC, FO………


    Shoaib

    This is what I heard from my friends ( I didn’t see the match ) and they were saying that Gambhir was bad mouthing for no reason, as if he was playing with a vengeance against Pakistan. So, you are also reconfirming that.

    Although Afridi, Gul and Younus Khan expressed earlier i.e., before the match that they want to win this match to break the jinx, but none of them reportedly misbehaved or did any foul mouthing against anyone during the game.

    As regards the altercation between Gambhir and Afridi a few years ago in India, I saw that match live on TV and I have taped it, it is Gambhir who first pushed Afridi and then abused him and, Afridi is Afridi if he blows his fuse he can do anything, even then Afridi kept his cool “Abay Jaa” and then he tried to get umpire’s attention and then the players came in between. But, Gambhir was still yelling and saying MC BC FO……… this is one of the reasons I will not vote for Gambhir to be the captain of India’s team. He will be a very bad ambassador to represent Team India.

    Dhoni is a good captain and, Rahul Dravid as a captain was the best, he is a good ambassador to represent his team and he still is a gentleman. I have a lot of respect for Dravid for his cool headed approach and his choice of words when he addresses any press conference. Very well balanced, looks educated, speaks good English, has the finesse and the poise. So, far the best captain India had.

  161. #161 by Mohammed Munir on September 28, 2009 - 10:21 AM

    Khansahab @ Comment No. 144 …

    I seems you took me wrong brother, ‘Can-Juice’ is not equal to biased and I neither used the word ‘bias’ nor meant that, ever.

    Anyways, I am sorry if my wholeheartedly appreciating and praising Shoaib Malik have hurt you in any possible way.

    One a different note, Good Luck to Team India for a tough game against Aussies today.

    Frankly I want India to win today, ‘ba-kaaz’ …

    As much as I hate the Aussies, I want Pakistan to play ( and win ) against India one more time in the finals 😉

    I feel bad for Sri Lanka being almost out of it too 😦

  162. #162 by Mohammed Munir on September 28, 2009 - 11:06 AM

    Javed Khan …

    You have mentioned several times that no one should be penalized due to one bad game, so I think it will be really a bad idea to try to sit Gul out. Gul is in good form and has been playing well throughout the season and so there is no need to disturb his confidence at this crucial stage.

    If Asif has to get a chance then it must be in place of Rana Naveed. We have enough batting power and playing Rana at number 8 is not a very good idea, plus Gul can also bat well and he should be able to play at no. 8 comfortably. Secondly, I am sure Asif will be a much better bowling option then mediocre Rana.

    If there has to be a change then it must be by replacing Rana with Asif period.

  163. #163 by Varun Suri on September 28, 2009 - 12:04 PM

    For more on Gautam Gambhir there is a latest interview on Cricinfo.

    I would only add that Why is a captain of a team required to be well educated, good looking and speaking good English? In India we have had a long tradition of simple and down to earth players like Srinaths and Prasads and i am sure after Ganguly, Yuvraj and now Gambhir nobody minds a bit of agression which we had lacked for so long and of course this agression has to be chanelled in the right manner and not in the form of abuses but certainly this should not be a criterion to determine the captain of the team. By this standard except Steve Waugh none of the Australian Captain deserved to be the captain as all of them were big bad mouthers and sledgers.

    Captain or not but he sure has some way to go with the Indian Team as once Tendulkar, Dravid and even Sehwag retires then he would be the mainstay of Indian Batting. This “mouthing off” thing has been going on since decades in Cricket; from the time of Dennis Lillee and Javed Miandad and as it is Cricket is not a Gentlemen’s Game anymore….

  164. #164 by newguy30 on September 28, 2009 - 12:44 PM

    Javed, all, regarding Gambhir mouthig off, I guess this is one way he motivates himself, not necessarily he has a problem with Pakistan or any particular opposition. In his interview on Cricinfo today he says sometimes he gets into a fight with bowlers to get himself charged up, this is not a good thing and I am not endorsing it, but pointing out he has some insecurities and this is his way of keeping him going. He probably need to work on another way to get himself motivated, but a lot of players have done this, like Aussies for instance and they still do, another instance is when Allen Donald mouthed off against Rahul Dravid about 10 years back in a game situation when India was winning, but eventually lost after that altercation. So teams use this as another tactic, and Indians have been on the receiving end for so long, today many youngsters believe they need to give back some as well.

    As far as captain goes, there is still no reason to consider grooming anyone else at this time, and the best Indian captain was Saurav Ganguly by all accounts, gentleman behavior will not alone get the results, so Dravid was good on that count, but a mediocre captain who got played around by Greg Chappel, this is one dark period for Indian cricket. Ganguly is the one who took the fight to Australians and won test series there and showed India can do it abroad and stand toe to toe with the best.

  165. #165 by newguy30 on September 28, 2009 - 12:46 PM

    Munir, thanks for the best wishes to India. But… I think India will be joining SA today as the joint favorites to exit in first round. The reason is their best chance was to bat first and put lots of runs on board, unfortunately Ricky won the toss and Aussies will bat first.

    India looking for another 300+ chase today, and given the 3 such chases in last two days went to team batting first, very grim chance for India.

  166. #166 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 28, 2009 - 2:24 PM

    Munir

    This is not just one bad performance from Gul, in the recent past he failed on a number of occasions in ODI’s and test both, please check it out before you say this is one bad performance. One needs to admit and, no one is above the law, Gul is not above anyone and it is the team that you have to think about and not just an individual.

    Varun

    It is so easy and so casually people talk about Lillee and Miandad as if both are just the same. And, that is because the later was involved in an altercation. I saw that match and you can also see it on you tube. Clearly Lillee is the aggressor and Miandad was literally elbowed and kicked by Lillee, but people remember Miandad lifting his bat to hit him. If Miandad really wanted to hit him, no one would have stopped him, but that was only a reaction to tell Lillee that he is not a sissy. And, for your information Miandad never swear at anyone, he was a chatterbox, he used to irritate by his talk but never vulgar. Just because that poor guy is uneducated and not so good looking people treat him like a rickshaw wala or a tongawala. That is really unfair.

    newguy

    That is no excuse to bad mouthing that he fights with the bowlers to get charged up. What a stupid reasoning, gentleman game or no gentleman game this is a bullshit attitude to say I wanna get charged up. So, go ahead and throw a few punches here and there to get charged up. Anyone can do that, any bowler can reply with more harsh words and if he wants to punch someone to get charged up he should try that and see what he gets? Others are not sissies or wearing bangles on their wrists to take it lightly. He is a Ch2ya if he thinks like that, that’s all.

    Back to today’s game, Watson failed again but Ishant Sharma has given too many runs in 3 overs (30) but, Ricky Ponting is charged up it will be a good contest. I g2g.

  167. #167 by newguy30 on September 28, 2009 - 6:41 PM

    Well, India almost certainly out of the tournament, with this washout, their best chance was to win today and then against WI. But it is gone. Now they have to depend on Pakistan beating Australia and then going to on to beat WI at a high net run rate, may as well not play semis in that fashion. It’s a bit unfortunate though that they not get a chance to lose and thus get booted out 🙂 or win if any miracle happened. With Australia at 234 in 43 overs, certainly 300 was on the cards, no team has chased 300 so far in this competition, SA came close yesterday, but it was always a losing battle for them.

    This is bad advertisement for ODI though, ironically T20 is called the game of luck, but in ODI toss determines the outcome these days, team batting first puts up 300 then almost certainly it becomes tough to chase. Today 42 over were played and yet no result, if this were a T20 then it is over by then.

    Back to the cup, Pakistan and Australia almost certain and on the other side England and NZ looks likely. Most likely a Pakistan vs. Australia final is in the making.

  168. #168 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 28, 2009 - 6:50 PM

    Pakistan are now into the semi-final after the India / Australia match washed out. India’s hope to reach semis is very, very dim after scoring only one point they have to rely only on the net run rate. At the moment Australia’s run rate is far better than India’s.

    India, if they want to get to the semis they must thrash West Indies with a big margin, improve their net run-rate tremendously and, also pray that Australia must lose to Pakistan. Any win or no-result for Australia in their remaining match means – they are through. That will be a sad ending for India. Like Dhoni said, we will pack our bags and go home. But, that will not be as simple as that, at home there will be demonstrations, effigies of Dhoni will be burnt and what not! Too much emotions at stake.

    I know how Varun, Pawan and newguy must be feeling after this, but the way the Aussies were scoring against weak Indian bowling they may have scored 300 meaning another run chase for India. Although India made two changes YP —> Mishra and RP —– PK but, Ishant Sharma gave away too many runs in his first spell, Ponting and Hussey took the match away from them but, now all in vain even rain has not helped India.

    This is cricket, a few days ago both commentators, Ian Bothom and David Lloyd were saying that India and Australia will be the top teams in their group and one of them will reach the finals. Well, we can’t say about the finals at the moment but the scenario has changed for the group.

  169. #169 by khansahab on September 28, 2009 - 7:21 PM

    I am against playing Imran Nazir in any format except T20. In T20 a player like him is an absolute MUST but in 50 over format he is a liability. If he batted in the lower order he would be less of a liability- for instance, Afridi is a greater liability when batting at the top order.

    I would NOW play Asaf against Australia because Pakistan is already through to the semis and they can risk resting Gul who does not look his best. Asaf might end up showing good form and as a result he will be an asset for the team in the important matches going forward.

    It would have been ideal to rest Nazir or open with Malik, but since Malik does not want to open (and has problems playing the new ball), Fawad Alam should be tried as opener. He has performed as opener on a seaming track in Tests, surely he can create some magic in ODI’s too. Plus it would now be unreasonable to make Malik open because he scored a century at the no 4 position.

  170. #170 by newguy30 on September 28, 2009 - 7:23 PM

    Javed,

    “Like Dhoni said, we will pack our bags and go home. But, that will not be as simple as that, at home there will be demonstrations, effigies of Dhoni will be burnt and what not! Too much emotions at stake.”

    I think that will be very unfair to Dhoni and the Indian team, the way this tournament is set up there is hardly a chance to come back from one bad show, besides all teams are capable of beating each other, and India lost 3 known match winners. Moreover, India had a lot of success under Dhoni in ODI recently, that they win 5 bi-lateral series, especially the ones in SL and NZ are noteworthy since none of the India teams before has done that in several decades! So, bowing out of this tournament should not cause emotions to run high back in India, but sub-continental fans are such fickle lot, they want to react to something.

  171. #171 by newguy30 on September 28, 2009 - 7:40 PM

    On a different topic, but related to how public reacts, I was talking to someone recently and he was saying public in India wants military action against the terrorist hideouts in Pakistan, they want to teach them a lesson for planting attacks. So I said it is not easy as you think to invade someone’s sovereign territory, they are not just going to roll over and play dead if Indian military goes over and starts bombing, an example was given about Israel, which to me hardly is a an example to follow. But my point is public wants some reaction like this, they want to feel they have done something. Instead they should demand their politicians fix internal problems, issues that cause terrorism growing internally, and fix known problems and social issues of minorities, how they are treated, etc. I told him there are several social injustices against minorities in India that can be addressed, it’s not only cross border terrorism at fault. Granted there are issues that India should deal with Pakistan on a diplomatic basis, but first Indians should forget about the whole partition thing and somehow Pakistan alone is cause for all their problems, likewise Pakistan should also move on from the partition past and not focus on matching India eye to eye on everything, and instead focus on fixing issues facing them domestically.

    Finally when both countries have fixed their internal issues, they should co-operate on several fronts to help each other succeed. This the formula for success in sub-continent. Not “oneupmanship” on each other. But the public is too far from seeing this wisdom, instead they fall into the trap set by west several years back and fight each other. Even in cricket up until recently fans from both nations care about beating each other only, even if they don’t win the trophy, while teams like Australia are laughing behind their backs and winning the finals. Case in point 2003 WC final. Ind-Pak match was a bigger even than final, where India got trashed by Australia, but Indian fans were super happy because they trashed Pakistan in a league match, go figure! I think the same applies to Pakistan fans in general too, I read some comments on cricinfo where a fans said they want to win against India even if they lose the final.

    I am not talking about any of you folks here, you are all very mature and educated people which is very evident. General public has to change a lot for sub-continent to improve and not get played around by external forces.

  172. #172 by Awas on September 28, 2009 - 9:09 PM

    I am still not convinced Asif should play.

    Firstly, as I originally said it was a gamble to pick him because he has not played any competitive cricket for a year now and that remains my view. After his absence due to injury even a bowler like Bret Lee wasn’t picked for Ashes but only for one-dayers.

    Secondly, Asif, if in form, is only good as a new ball bowler. He gets hammered when the ball gets older. So, there is two pronged risk in picking him.

    If however, Asif must be risked then it should be in place of Rana not Gul. Gul had a bad match against India but the nerves do get dangled in a pressure game like this as it did with a “match winner” like Bhajji. Bhajji was again hammered against Australia today. People seem to be forgetting here that Gul bowled really well against WI along with Aamer. One might say, it was due to the helpful wicket but you still have to bowl in the right areas and he did whereas Tino Best didn’t consequently he was hammered.

  173. #173 by Awas on September 28, 2009 - 10:47 PM

    Miandad expects more runs from senior players

    Miandad expects more runs to flow from the bats of senior batsmen including Shoaib Malik and Mohammad Yousuf in the Champions Trophy in South Africa.
    “I am pretty satisfied with the way the senior players responded in the big match against India. It was obvious they are acting on the advice I gave them during the camp,” said Miandad, who spent five days with the Pakistan batsmen in a conditioning camp prior to the Champions Trophy.

    Miandad said he had worked out some issues with Shoaib Malik, who scored a century against India, Mohammad Yousuf and Misbah-ul-Haq.

    Miandad expects more

    “I expect Malik, Yousuf and even Misbah to score more runs in the tournament as they had the experience and ability to do well as long as they stick to the basics.
    “The problem with our players was they were shuffling and walking too much while batting. This blinded their vision and also caught them on the wrong foot.
    “In the camp I reduced the width of the pitch and made them play straight and the method worked. You can see now in the Champions Trophy the players are playing with a straighter bat and not moving too much at the crease,” he said.
    Miandad, who played 124 Tests and 233 ODIs, said quality batsmen made minimum movement at the crease. “That gives you more time to play the ball accordingly and cope with any movement or turn.
    —————————————————————————————–
    Before, I read this article above, I was thinking Miandad’s help at the camp must have done some good because Pakistan for a long time had not been able to score even close to 300 in an ODI.

  174. #174 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on September 28, 2009 - 11:12 PM

    Javed & BF, why are the pictures of you guys on the right side & the rest of us are on the left (including Awas)? hmmm lol

  175. #175 by newguy30 on September 28, 2009 - 11:33 PM

    Awas, interesting news there about Miandad helping Malik, Yousuf, et al. So the old “enemy” was behind this new reversal again, hmmm, that rascal won’t just go away 🙂 Jokes, apart, any kind of success has to be measured over period of time, we’ll have to wait and see how the batsmen respond to various situations over many matches.

  176. #176 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on September 29, 2009 - 12:55 AM

    Sowwie, i meant Javed!

  177. #177 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 29, 2009 - 3:55 AM

    newguy

    I never said India performed badly under Dhoni. In fact I did mention that India achieved the number one position in the ICC rankings in ODI be it for 17 hours but, still they managed and you have mentioned that they won 5 bi-lateral series so there you go…. Dhoni is a good captain for India. And, “Indian fans are like this wonlee.”

  178. #178 by newguy30 on September 29, 2009 - 1:17 PM

    Javed, I never said you said India performed badly under Dhoni, I was only responding in general to your comment about effigy burning, I know you meant to say this is the typical knee jerk reaction of Indian fans, so I am saying in general they have no reason to complain this time. We are in violent agreement here 🙂

  179. #179 by Awas on September 29, 2009 - 2:42 PM

    A little known fact…..

    The first testicular guard was used in cricket in 1874 and the first helmet was used in 1974..
    It took 100 years for men to realise that their brain could also be important …

  180. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 29, 2009 - 4:22 PM

    LOL Awas thats some trivia to find out.

    Not only the testicular guard but, the helmets have also been improvised since then. They call it a BOX.

    It reminds me of an incident here at a local club level cricket match in which some good old uncles were playing and most of them were dressed like former test players wearing flannel cream coloured trousers and full sleeves silky shirts and pleated sweaters and green caps. But, none of them were able to run properly because they were all out of shape and out of breath.

    One of them padded up and before going to bat asked one of the younger players like this:

    “Array chotay zara “abe-domin” gaad tou dena mujay”

    The younger guy asked him, Chacha what is that? Then Chacha used body language to make him understand and the younger guy pulled out a box from his bag and threw it towards chacha. Chacha after catching it looked it as if it is some unusual species and asked him again.

    “Array chotay, bhai iskay ‘feetay’ kahan hai?

    The guy asked chacha feetay kya hotay? Then, he again used body language and also said, ‘array bhai straps nahee hain iskay, and how am I gonna tie it around my waist?” The guy replied, Chacha just push it in your underwear and that’s it.

    Chacha said, ‘abay yaar mai under-wear thori, mai tou Bermuda pehna hoon.” And, he took the box and slipped it under and lifted his leg the box fell out of his pants and he said, “See I told you.”

    So, the point is things have changed but, some people have not changed. 😀

  181. #181 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 29, 2009 - 4:24 PM

    So, when did Imran Nazir break his finger? Reportedly he is out and Misbah is in and not Fawad Alam. Also, Rana will rest and Asif will be tested against Australia.

    As long as Pakistan plays at Centurion they are OK, if they have to play at Wanderers then, that is it. They were lucky that they had to play at Wanderers against a weak West Indies side and even they gave them jitters.

  182. #182 by Awas on September 29, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    Javed, good one there…‘feetay’ 🙂

  183. #183 by Awas on September 29, 2009 - 5:13 PM

    Javed

    I did see Imran Nazir’s hand injury in the last match. He injured his webbing whilst stopping the ball.

  184. #184 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 30, 2009 - 5:54 AM

    Awas

    Yeah, me too, I have heard that Imran Nazir got injured while trying to stop a shot from Raina!

    Although the probables are: “1 Shoaib Malik, 2 Kamran Akmal, 3 Younis Khan (capt), 4 Mohammad Yousuf, 5 Fawad Alam, 6 Shahid Afridi, 7 Umar Akmal, 8 Umar Gul, 9 Mohammad Aamer, 10 Saeed Ajmal, 11 Mohammad Asif.”

    But, I have heard that Misbah will be keeping the wickets while Kamran Akmal will get rest.

  185. #185 by Shoaib on September 30, 2009 - 9:35 AM

    Newguy:
    I’m sorry but I never heard or seen someone who would motivate himself by mouthing off, I respect your views but just for example if he does that for motivation then I wanna know after his run out while walking back towards pavillion why he was motivating himself such time when he is not on the pitch and what about the motivation he got by calling M ke Ch**t to a spectator :)), and again if someone does that to warm himself up then I would only say it shows how negative and cheap person he is.
    Javed sahab:
    yes javed sahab I saw that on live TV and I felt like giving him a slap, wackkkkk!!!

  186. #186 by Awas on September 30, 2009 - 10:24 AM

    Misbah again is playing for himself at a very slow rate. They should really have given Fawad Alam the chance instead of out of touch Misbah.

  187. #187 by Shoaib on September 30, 2009 - 10:48 AM

    Sounds funny, Indians are cheering up for pakistan’s fours and sixes :))

  188. #188 by Shoaib on September 30, 2009 - 10:51 AM

    Such a shame slow runs scorer didn’t let more talented player to come intime

  189. #189 by Shoaib on September 30, 2009 - 10:53 AM

    Sweeti welcome here, is it your real picture? 😉

  190. #190 by newguy30 on September 30, 2009 - 12:36 PM

    Shoaib, I said I do not support Gambhir’s attitude or mouthing off to motivate himself (if it is for that), but I was referring to the Cricinfo interview where he mentioned he does things like that to get himself warmed up. Again, I am not supporting it. It is bad attitude, lucky for him that he is performing, otherwise he will be out of team and no one will ever support him, like happened to another character Sreesanth. Ishant was also growing an arrogance, now he is brought back to earth, and dropped from this match against WI.

    Coming to today’s game, all of India are cheering for Pakistan to win today, but it is not happening I am afraid with a below par score to defend, unless Afridi/Ajmal can produce some magic. Fast bowlers at the moment are not making any impact.

    India are going home and it is ok, I never thought they had a real chance of winning the cup because they came with a weaker side, especially a weaker bowling side. But they should have qualified for the semis, anyhow, they need to go back home and work harder on things like players fitness and making sure big game players are protected for big games instead of playing in all and sundry matches.

    Dhoni alluded to this in the press conference yesterday, about rotating players so that big game players do not get burned out, but he also said fans expect India to win every game they play, this makes it difficult to rest big players because you lose some matches and fans start calling for captains head and Indian media do not help either. They should understand the importance of grooming young players and resting star players from some matches so that when big tournaments come along there are no player burn outs.

  191. #191 by newguy30 on September 30, 2009 - 12:42 PM

    Afridi strikes!!! Afreeedeeee 🙂 a ray of hope now, two or three like that and the game is on.

  192. #192 by newguy30 on September 30, 2009 - 1:49 PM

    Ponting and Hussey are motoring alone nicely and India are most certainly on the way home. Dhoni has taken up bowling in the Ind-WI game!!! He must have gotten the message, may be he is trying his skills at bowling so that he will know what is this fuss about bowling all about 😉

  193. #193 by newguy30 on September 30, 2009 - 1:52 PM

    Dhoni strikes!!! he gets a wicket now, that shows how good WI are!

  194. #194 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on September 30, 2009 - 2:26 PM

    Shoaib ‘Sweetie welcome here’? U think i just landed here? & no this isn’t my real pic, this is disguise i have, I’m quite scary lookin in reality!

  195. #195 by newguy30 on September 30, 2009 - 3:11 PM

    Go, Pakistan, go 🙂 unbelievable fightback this, 18 from 18 needed and just 2 wickets needed for Pakistan (and India :))

  196. #196 by M. Y. Kasim on September 30, 2009 - 3:39 PM

    My prediction came true. We were short by a bowler. There was no sense in leaving Mohammad Aamer out. The pitch was difficult and like I said in my blog ealier, one batsman more did’nt matter, but one bowler, and that too, the main strike bowler did make the difference.

    When the momentum was in our favor, we deliberately threw it away. Now, we have to re-group and plan all over again to get into the winning ways. What a stupid bunch of idiots!!

  197. #197 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 30, 2009 - 3:45 PM

    I didn’t watch the match on TV or even followed the on-line commentary @ cricinfo I ‘ve just switched on the computer to see that the match between Australia and Pakistan was a last ball thriller. Sorry, India you have to go back home and wear all sorts of thinking hats to find out what went wrong.

    Although WI are all out for 129 but, Big Mouthy Gauty has gone for 6 clean bowled by Roach. I wonder who he is calling Ma Ki whatever and Bhen ki whatever after getting bowled. I have seldom seen Gambhir smiling even off the field, like newguy said he is there because he is performing or else, he would have joined Sreesanth. And, yes Ishant Sharma is back on planet earth i.e., because he wasn’t performing.

    Asif bowled well, got two wickets at good economy rate so I think they will play him in the semi-final. The only change they need to make in this team is to give Misbah some rest and bring in Fawad Alam.

    IF Pakistan had won they would have played the semi-final against England at Centurion but, now they have to go to Wanderers and play against New Zealand. If they win the toss they must bat and put on at least 250 runs. No team has chased that much total at Wanderers. Bond & Co. will trouble Pakistan a lot. Likewise, Gul and Asif will also trouble them. That pitch is good for fast bowlers. Good Luck Pakistan.

  198. #198 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 30, 2009 - 3:48 PM

    After reading Mr. M. Y. Kasim’s comments, I realized my mistake about making only one change in the Pakistan team i.e., include Fawad Alam and give Misbah some rest. I didn’t think of Mohammad Aamer.

    Yes, we need 4 fast bowlers in the team at Wanderers.

  199. #199 by M. Y. Kasim on September 30, 2009 - 4:03 PM

    Another point, anybody noticed how good Rana bowled? There is a tendency on this blog that once you criticise somebody, you dont change it, keep repeating it on and on as if you change it or praise him, you lose face. The latest case being that of Shoaib Malik. He played a match-winning innings, well-timed, well-paced and sensibly, still, daggers were out whereas all the media world over praised him, even the worst of our antagonists.

    Grow up guys! Criticise as much as you want but give credit where its due. Dont your personal likes and dislikes affect your judgment.

  200. #200 by MAZA786 on September 30, 2009 - 4:10 PM

    I salute Rana Naved’s bowling. Although we lost, we demonstrated good fighting spirit and took alot of bowling positives from the very narrow defeat. This motivated fighting spirit and impressive bowling spells in the latter stages of the match provides me with some hope and inspiration that Pak can go the distance. The bowlers seem in-from and the on field intensity is there which represents a determined side.

    Ajmal and Rana way to go!

    Many of u will be able to recognise who I am. I realised I was acting like a bit of a “hooligan” previously when insulting or attempting to insult fellow colleagues. I have now hopefully turned a new leaf and apologise to all for what’s happened in the past. With this return I hope to make a fresh start with the promise that I shall respect my elders.

  201. #201 by newguy30 on September 30, 2009 - 4:26 PM

    Relax M.Y.Kasim, Pakistan is in semis and they played well today, moreover they are facing NZ in semis which is their favorite opponent for WC semis (92 ODI WC and 07 T20 WC), both times they won. NZ usually do not progress beyond semis and Pakistan is a hard team to stop once they reach semi final stage.

    I agree though that Misbah should not play, had that chance been given to one of the younger players match would have been different, Misbah scored slowly, even 10 to 20 runs would have tilted the match in Pakistan’s favor.

    Javed, I disagree they should bat first at Wanderers, if they put up 250 sure, but it is very difficult to put up 250 at Wanderers, going by the matches so far the team batting first struggled and lost 4-5 wickets in the opening spell itself. I would recommend Pakistan bowling if they win toss, with Asif and Amir with new ball on a pitch with assistance this is better.

  202. #202 by khansahab on September 30, 2009 - 8:36 PM

    Maza786

    I am agreeable to your statement that Rana Naved bowled well. However I am not recognise you? Who are you?

  203. #203 by khansahab on September 30, 2009 - 8:42 PM

    Excellent performance from the bowlers, particularly Ajmal and Rana. However pathetic performance from Misbah, this MF again played a selfish and pathetic innings and got out in his usual unconventional fashion. What a loser, what a pathetic player. A player half as skilled than him can do better if he has a little bit of team spirit and selflessness.

  204. #204 by Varun Suri on October 1, 2009 - 12:15 AM

    Well, Well, I am having a similar kind of eerie feeling which i had few days before the final of the T-20 World Cup and there is really a very good chance that Pakistan might win the Chamipions Trophy like in 20-20 World Cup India crashed out and in the meantime all the players in Pakistan got back into form or simply raised their game for the special occasion like Afridi, Gul similarly in this tournament now India has crashed out and non-performing Pakistani players like Malik and Asif have got back in their senses. Also historically a Pak-NZ Semi-Final favours Pakistan and I am sure they would not be beaten twice by Australia in the finals. If England somehow avenges the 6-1 loss by beating Australia in this all important semi-final then surely there will be a slump in the finals and the Pakistani Team is much better than the English but then in Cricket anything can happen…

    As far as India is concerned there are no reasons to wear a thinking hat or be sorry for their performance as Dhoni said today he played only 3 balls in this Champions Trophy so it was too short and a quick tournament to feel sad or happy about anything. A depleted Indian side just lost One match to a resurgent Pakistan Team where a player who was on the hit-list for so long chose the best occasion to silence his critics by coming up with a carefully crafted century so one can only admire the good performances and move on, most of the Indian fans have very short memory (that’s why certain people can even write a research paper on a subject like How a 6 effected the mindset of a team for so many years) so as long as Australia gets beaten at home in October everyone is happy otherwise you may never know . The only thing i would advise them is to say bye-bye to Venky now, bowling coach maybe his diet of Idli and Sambar is the reason why all the Indian Fast Bowlers have become like tattoos time-time pe breakdown ho jaata hai. Maybe they need to feed Ashant sharma with some real desi Murgas so that he can get rid of his bony structure and get some meat in between. S@@l@MC kahan ‘Delhi Express’ ke khwaab dekhe thhe yeh to Chandni Chowk ka Rickshaw nikla

    Cricket viewers are facing a very tough dillema on one hand if we have too many One-Day matches then it results in boredom and empty stadiums as was seen in the last World Cup in the Windies but on the other hand you have the other extreme in this tournament where basically losing one match can get you out!
    Basically as long as your team is winning whether it is 20-20,50-50, or 90-90 one chooses to be happy and contend. If you belong to the losing side then you do what i am doing here:- CRIB.

    Atleast they should have certain rules in place like a reserve day or something to make sure that a match is always completed and never abandoned due to weather ( crowd disruption is a different issue). The ICC are so reliant on Duckworth-Lewis rule as if it is the Holy Bible in my view they should always try their best not to use that rule, it should only be used as a last resort but it would remain the only option if they do not come up with any alternate solution.

  205. #205 by Shoaib on October 1, 2009 - 1:26 AM

    sweetie i still think you just landed here, i have been here for a long time and first time i saw you, unless you have been here before me and today suddenly (guys i intentionally said it suddenly, just to copy Younas Khan) I saw you here.
    Sweetie O please don’t say that, you can’t be scary looking. I believe, you are neither Abdul Razzaq nor Rana Sahab purani Tindd waley.

    Well Sweetie i don’t believe you, you have to prove to me that you are scary, i mean if you are, lets see the truth on messenger, so what is your address.

    Newguy and Pawan:
    Such a shame Indian is out. It’s just the game. I wanted india to be in and Australia to go out but unfortunately this couldn’t happen.

    Khan Sahab please yeh ‘1857 kay Nawab’ wali photo aap kee hay kia? Yaa bus aap kay zehen mey yeh ideal face hey? Aur meri photo bhi laga dey hazrat Khan Sahab.
    Jeb bhi Khan Sahab kehta huu yaa likhta huu, pata nahi mujhey Lahore kay Khansahab kee Haleem kuoo yaad aa jati hey.

  206. #206 by Shoaib on October 1, 2009 - 1:31 AM

    Khan Sahab I am just looking at your photo from with full concentration from last 20 seconds 😀 ……….aap kaafi strict lagtey hey, feel hota hay k aap kee apni ParemPara hogi, like ”Beti Kheberdaar gher kay derwazey sey bahir Kademm naa rekhnaa, nahi to yeh Derwazey tumhrey lieye nahi khuley gey” 😀 such perem-para lmao

  207. #207 by Shoaib on October 1, 2009 - 1:35 AM

    Aur Javed Khan sahab kee photo aisey leg rahi hey jaisey kisi ney Mangoe Party mey inhey invite kia ho, aur in key samney Chonsa mangoe kee bijaye, Choosa hoa mangoe 😀 rekh dia ho…….aur ab in ko samajh nahi aa rahi k hansey yaa kia karey, aur usi time photographer ney photo lay lee…. wahh!

  208. #208 by Shoaib on October 1, 2009 - 1:38 AM

    aur Awas kee photo indian flop actor ‘Deepek Tajori’ sey milti nazer aati hey……pata nahi kuoo yeh photo dekh ker merey dil mey aik title yaad aaraha hey, ”Confused Desi” lol 😀

  209. #209 by Shoaib on October 1, 2009 - 1:43 AM

    Sorry beeerathers, excuse me for that, but i said this all to give this blog a little laugh or even just a smile. If someone is offended by my comments please let me know so next time i will add yous guys in my boring people list 😀 sorry here we go i cannot stop. no i mean serious if you feel it wasnt nice then let me know i wont do it again……..Toubaa merii Toubaaa, Toubaaaa Toubaaaa!!

  210. #210 by Shoaib on October 1, 2009 - 2:57 AM

    Well I am not happy whoever deleted my funny comments, must be a very boring person and i know who he is. Well this is it, i dont think i would write here again. Management is biased here. If management wants to talk about politics or even politicians, they can! though it’s cricket blog, and if management wants they can spy on you and can check who are your friends on the web e.g. Shahzaib Hassan (T20 opener) I wanna ask HOW DARE YOU TO CHECK MY FRIENDS LIST?? but when it comes to if someone writes about them, though it was NOT even a criticizm, were just few funny lines with the taste of cricket then they will remove it, block it and delete it.
    and if you have some respect for the freedom of speech then do not delete this message…but if you are as pathetic you are then do whatever you want to do but
    This is not acceptable and I protest and leave this blog right now!

  211. #211 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 1, 2009 - 4:15 AM

    Maza786

    Subha ka bhoola shaam ko ghar vapis aye tou ussay Maza786 nahee kehtay balkay ussay Abdul Ch2So4 kehtay hain

  212. #212 by Mohammed Munir on October 1, 2009 - 5:41 AM

    M. Y. Khan …

    Sir, I have huge respect for your comments and you always speak with pure maturity and lot of sense. Your comment no. 207, is worth it’s weight in gold !! and I fully and unconditionally agree with that.

    Coming back to the yesterday’s game, well, I think Misbah played fine and we can not blame him totally for the yesterday’s game as it was more of the wicket-problem rather then players’ and this was also proved since Aussies chased a mere 205 target with great difficulty and 8 wickets down. I am not a Misbah fan and I am absolutely happy that he is being removed from Vice Captaincy and also dropped from our forthcoming tour.

    But having said that, and even if we take a harsh stand on Misbah’s batting against Australia and blame him, then we should also blame Younis Khan (49 balls for 18 runs), Mohammed Yousuf (69 balls for 45 runs) and Umer Akmal (8 balls for 2 runs). We can similarly blame the entire team as except for Afridi (83.33), Misbah has the second highest strike rate of (77.35).

    Another point is that Wanderer may be a fast wicket, but if we played 4 fast bowlers then are we planning to drop Saeed Ajmal ? Because, if not, then we will be weakening our batting line and our batting is weaker as it is. I think three main fast bowlers along with Afridi, Ajmal and optional Malik should be more then enough as a very good bowling attack. NZ has been playing well lately and we should never take them lightly, I think they will give us a good fight.

    My preferable team for the Semi Final with NZ @ Wanderer will be like this …

    Imran Nazir (one last chance and if he did not perform, we should replace him with Misbah in final).
    Kamran Akmal
    Younis Khan
    Shoaib Malik
    Mohammed Yousuf
    Shahid Afridi
    Umar Akmal
    Umer Gul
    Mohammed Asif (my first choice is Asif and second Rana Naveed)
    Mohammed Aamir
    Saeed Ajmal

    Good Luck Greens !!

  213. #213 by Mohammed Munir on October 1, 2009 - 6:27 AM

    Shoaib …

    Come back, don’t act like Shoaib Malik 😉

    I for one liked your funny comments on everyone’s pictures, specially the one about Javed Khan (Choosa Hua Mangoe) 😀

    The best part about this blog is that along with the quite serious, purely cricketing and highly analytical comments, we also see a lot of light-hearted and funny comments and it brings smiles and LOL at our faces.

    LS Rocks, and so does you 😉

  214. #214 by MAZA786 on October 1, 2009 - 9:13 AM

    As regards to this so called injury excuse from some Indian supporters, Injuries are simply part of sport so excuse can’t be made there….. It will defiantly affect the team’s performance somehow but you can’t always rely on a few players as you need to have some depth and emerging youthfulness in your structure.

    However, needless to say that Pakistan are in the semis against the New Zealand. This shall be an easy win for Pakistan with their inform bowling attack and vast depth in the batting department.

    Furthermore Newzealand have had somewhat of a reputation at being disturbed by the curse of the semi -final! Whether they will be able to overcome this theory can only take Saturday to tell…….

  215. #215 by MAZA786 on October 1, 2009 - 9:43 AM

    In order to be the best u have to beat the best i.e. Australia as they are the retaining champions but I wud prefer to play England in the final so we can have a repeat of the illustrious 1992 finale. Plus there is nothing better than an England v Pak climax from a British Pakistani perspective.

  216. #216 by Awas on October 1, 2009 - 12:42 PM

    Abdul (MAZA786)

    Welcome back. So, where had you been for this long?

    You made some good points in your posts.

  217. #217 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 1, 2009 - 1:21 PM

    Shoaib

    Sub kay Aib nikaal rehay ho aur khudd Parda Nasheen ho. Why don’t you upload your photo so that we can see your bootha, thopra, chowkhtaa or whatever it is and see if you are like abdul ka bul bul or bull ka whatever 😉 You’ve joined Munir’s club of parda nasheeni so that people can say parday kay peechay kya hai?

    Shaoq-e-show-aib her rang may raqeeb-e-sar-o-saamaan nikla
    Shoaib bhee parday kay peechay say munir ki terha uriyaan he nikla
    😉

    Ps. Uriyaan = Nunga 😀

  218. #218 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 1, 2009 - 1:29 PM

    Varun

    Its nice to read some funny comments in “Muru-Gun” isshtyle especially on Venky’s “rendu masala dosa and rendu wiskey” And yeah you are right, that lamboo Ashant has no “Kunaati” (that is a Pushto word for Butt) and he simply has legs and that too like a bamboo.

    Poor Dhoni must be scared to go back to Jharkhand where his fans might make him look like a underperformed Jhara-hua whatever. 😀

  219. #219 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 1, 2009 - 2:48 PM

    Shoaib, either u just woke up from a long slumber/hibernation , or u’re legally blind. As far as my pic & i am concerned, i need not prove myself to u or to anybody. Do you feel better about ureself? lol

  220. #220 by Awas on October 1, 2009 - 2:59 PM

    “I think Younis has a unifying effect – not a lot of Pakistan captains can say that – he holds them together very well and he is also a calming influence. They can get very excited in tense situations, but you could see him in the end of that game against Australia in Centurion trying to calm them down. I think he has a very good effect on the Pakistan side. They are very talented. I think they have the most variety and perhaps the best bowling attack in the competition. There is a bit of a question mark over the batting and sure it can be unpredictable. But they have some pretty useful batsmen there as well. Pakistan are quite mercurial and I find it quite enjoyable to watch them because you never know what you are going to get from them. With Australia you know you will always get a good performance out of them but Pakistan bring some excitement to the game because you are just never sure what you are going to get there. The other thing I like about Pakistan cricket is that they have this unbelievable ability to produce young talent. I like it even more because they actually play them when they are young and not many teams do that anymore. Pakistan is the one major nation that keeps feeding these young players, telling them: look boys, we are going to throw you in the deep end, lets see how you do. And they do very well”-Ian Chappell
    ——————————————————————————————-
    If nothing else, when it comes to pure entertainment factor, Pakistan is in cricket what Brazil is in football.

  221. #221 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 1, 2009 - 3:23 PM

    Javed, tsk tsk tsk. He just came back(Abdul), let the kid breathe!!

  222. #222 by Varun Suri on October 1, 2009 - 3:33 PM

    Thanks Javed,

    I have heard of that new movie but i have not been watching many hindi movies of late…but i know of that character which they have created MURUGAN as it was on Indian MTV when we were kids and he had this habit of saying MIND IT! after everything…

  223. #223 by khansahab on October 1, 2009 - 7:32 PM

    Shoaib

    I am amused you are struck by such fascination at my picture. Yes I am very old but why must you make fun of it?

  224. #224 by M. Y. Kasim on October 1, 2009 - 9:05 PM

    Mohammed Munir,

    Sir,

    For starters, I am not Khan, my last name is Kasim, and I am a Memon from Kathiawar, Gujrat, India, migrated to Pakistan at the time of partition and moved over to USA some 22/23 years ago. I am 74 years old and suffering from Lung Cancer for the last couple years.

    Regarding Pakistan’s batting line-up, I did’nt mention Misbah but did imply him as after he wastes so many balls and as Khansahab aptly puts it, get out in his unconventional way, there are only few balls remains for that highly talented lad, Umer Akmal to play! If, instead we strengthen our bowling by having fourth pacer (obviously) Mohammad Aamer, it make sense, in my humble opinion, without in any case disturbing or weakening our batting.

    The additional batsman, in this case, Misbah, does no good, he is the liability. Further more, Imran Nazir is injured, hoping that he will play an explosive innings is wishfull thinking. Shahid Afridi could very well do the same.

  225. #225 by M. Y. Kasim on October 1, 2009 - 9:17 PM

    And Wanderers pitch is a mine-field. If we win the toss, we must put the NZ in and our four-prong pace attack would play havoc.

    If, however, we chose to bat, Shane Bond & Co. will trouble us beyond our imagination. At least we have two Ys who could handle the pressure. And hopefully, Shahid Afridi start with his Boom Boom fashion!

  226. #226 by newguy30 on October 2, 2009 - 7:37 PM

    Australia cruising alone to the final, so much for England’s resurgence, goes on to show their two wins were nothing but fluke. I would have preferred stronger team like SA, Ind, SL take on Aus/Pak in semis, the format let an undeserving team like England in semis. It’s pathetic how they gave up in batting and bowling today.

    One way to make the tournament more fairer to everyone was to let all teams play against each other like a round robin format, instead of the Group A, Group B league. I never liked the league format very much, because it gives opportunity to sneak in based on one or two game wins, instead the round robin makes the teams that performs consistent come to top. Top 4 teams by points can then play semis. This is why the CB series in Australia was one of the toughest tournaments, because you play 3 matches against each other then you have best the team twice to win a final. Consistency is rewarded here.

    I guess I am telling all this may be because India crashed out in first round now for the 3rd time out of 4 ICC events in last 2 years. But if you look at it carefully it makes sense to play all eight teams once against each other. It would have been fun to see Ind/SA, Aus/SA, SA/Pak, SL/Pak, so on..

    But anyways.. weak England got hammered once more.

  227. #227 by M. Y. Kasim on October 2, 2009 - 8:08 PM

    Look how Aussies are batting! Both Ponting and Watson have scored centuries and are poised to finish-off the match. It was obvious Watson will come with a big score. After failing in his last three innings, it is the law of average that he will come roaring. And Ponting is one of all-time greats. Period.

    That’s why I advocate strengthening our bowling, we have to keep these Aussies under control or else they will take the game away beyond our reach. Anything under 250 is achieable, beyond that is doubtful.

    Similarly, anything below 300 will be easy for the Aussies to chase down and difficult for us for set.

    We have to be realistic, any unprecedented event or performance notwithstanding.

  228. #228 by Mohammed Munir on October 2, 2009 - 8:54 PM

    M. Y. Kasim …

    First and foremost, I am really sorry for the mix-up and confusion.

    I wrote only to prasie and appreciate your comment no. 207.

    Whereas my comments in defence of Misbah (only for that one game) were mainly in responce to comment no. 212 of Khansahab where he showered his ‘love’ on Misbah 😉

    While about Wanderers I was replying to Javed Khan but I guess I mixed it all up.

    Anyways, I still think if we played four fast bowlers then we should not play Saeed Ajmal, becuase it will weaken our batting. Secondly, if we played four fast bowlers and lost the toss and have to bat first, then there will not be much benefit of having fast bowlers.

    Appologies once again.

    Finally, I pray to Allah Almighty for your good health and get well soon Inshallah.

  229. #229 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 3, 2009 - 2:24 AM

    M Y Kasim, i don’t wanna sound nasty, but Memon, 74 yrs old & pretty good english??????????????????????????

  230. #230 by Shoaib on October 3, 2009 - 3:08 AM

    First of all thanks for all the mates to encourage me writing silly things here especially munir sahab, javed bhai and uncle khan sahab.
    Kasim sahab sorry to hear about your cancer, my grandfather had one and I got scared of this too just a month ago and I did all my chest xray and tests, result was fine but after that I gave up smoking completely and now I’m on patches but now I read one research which says that nicottine patch can cause cancer too, abb kiaa keruu!!
    I hope kasim sahab may Allah make you see hundreds of Ramadhan in your life, my prayers are with you, Ameen!
    Munir bhai thanks for your nice words for me earlier.
    Javed bhai aap kee poetry ney to meraa dill jeet liya, and I don’t wanna be perda nasheen anymore but don’t know how to put picture of me here.
    Khansahab aap kee 1857 AD kay Nawab wali picture ager really aap kee hay to met maafi chahta hu is booday mazak per.

  231. #231 by Shoaib on October 3, 2009 - 3:12 AM

    Good luck Pakistan team!!

  232. #232 by Shoaib on October 3, 2009 - 4:01 AM

    It’s 5:01 am and i’m in the staff bus heading towards heathrow airport with sleepy head, I will miss part if the semi but goodluck to green shirts and big teeth.

  233. #233 by khansahab on October 3, 2009 - 4:17 PM

    Excellent batting by Aamer and Ajmal. Considering the circumstances they both played wonderfully.

  234. #234 by Awas on October 3, 2009 - 4:25 PM

    What a pathetic performance by almost all recognised batsmen bar Umer Akmal who was given out wrongly by Simon Taufel LBW whereas the ball had quite clearly hit his bat first.

    It was quite a valiant and entertaining effort by the last pair. The recognised batsmen should be embarrassed by their effort really. The last two by scoring briskly have given a semblance of fighting total.

  235. #235 by Shoaib on October 3, 2009 - 4:26 PM

    I hope pakistan won’t suffer, but it is just pathetic the way they always slow down the run rate as they are playing some kinda test match inning, it is well below par score!! They got away against India but there was a stage they were very slow, but they got away with that but co incidences don’t happen every day, very disappointing, it was very easy to achieve 280 on this track.

  236. #236 by Mohammed Munir on October 3, 2009 - 5:20 PM

    Can someone tell me, if this was a good decision to win the toss and bat first by Pakistan ??

    M. Y. Kasim… What do you think of this ?

  237. #237 by M. Y. Kasim on October 3, 2009 - 5:41 PM

    Please read my last few blogs and you will get your answer.

    I dont want to boast but what I was saying all along was based on analysis and long experience.

    Younus Khan won the toss and still chose to bat! But for the last wicket partnership of 34 runs, we would have been left with un-defendeble target.

    In place of Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi as an opener would have been better. My contention that a batsman less would not matter holds true as that of Umer Akmal given chance up the order.

    These were well considered opinions and you will see that we will badly miss the fourth seamer (Mohammed Asif) in containing New Zealand, although, I am hopeful, we will win. Insha Allah.

  238. #238 by Mohammed Munir on October 3, 2009 - 7:15 PM

    Fast bowlers are not doing anything exceptional, unfortunately. None of them.

    But I think batting first was not a good idea.

  239. #239 by khansahab on October 3, 2009 - 8:05 PM

    Omer

    Rana should get sacked after this performance, but it’s high time so should Malik. That is because Younis is the captain and if you take Younis out of contention, Malik has now had 3 bad matches out of the 4 played by the team. His knock against India was good, but has he ever played differently against India?

    I know Malik is undroppable from the team, but this is yet another occasion when he should pack his bags and go back to Sialkot via Allama Iqbal Airport in Lahore.

  240. #240 by Awas on October 3, 2009 - 8:29 PM

    Well, Rana Naved was pretty mediocre as he usually is. I said usually, because in the last match his second spell was extraordinary as at one stage in 20 balls he gave away just one run. The commentators (non-Pakistanis) at the time were saying they have never seen anything like it.

    But it was the batsmen who lost the match really. Par score in this ground was 250-260. That would have been a fighting total. If the last pair hadn’t hit some lusty blows, the batsmen’s poor performance would have been exposed even more.

  241. #241 by MAZA786 on October 3, 2009 - 8:38 PM

    SHOCKING RESULT …………………

    But hats of to the Kiwis,the underdogs who were the better side in the end.

  242. #242 by MAZA786 on October 3, 2009 - 8:40 PM

    YK dropped a ” SITTER”. A poor decision to bat first as well.

  243. #243 by Shoaib on October 3, 2009 - 9:23 PM

    bro i wanna ask a question, every team normaly follow a plan, whati s our team’s plan? what i saw is after opening pair they slow the game like hell, even commentators would start agitating, i have no idea why they do that, other teams they stick to the plan and least keep moving the run rate, but our team is like would achieve 3/per till the end of 30 overs and from 30 to 40 overs they would start taking singles mainly. even till over number 45, average would be like 4.70/over something, and then they will all start getting out….wow! another thing our teams plan is always take power play at the end of 45th over, no matter what this is our plan, even though you would realise that you have only 1 wicket left in the last 4 overs. but naa we never change our plans, all the matchesd we were like so predictable. We were lucky enough that vs India, we scooped it at the end otherwise if Malik and Younas had got our earlier we will be suffering big time, we would hardly have done 230/240 max.

    My request is please if someone can tell me that when Pakistan loses first 2 wickets then why we have a long list of slow overs, slow means very slow, hardly they would take even singles and you can tell that they could have done easily make singles. can anyone tell me is is some kinda shithole plan they follow or its just we need to get rid of some slow batsmen or what!!???

  244. #244 by Shoaib on October 3, 2009 - 9:26 PM

    sorry ignore my mistakes in last comments, i am half sleep writing from my bed through mobile internet, sorry for that

  245. #245 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 3, 2009 - 10:36 PM

    & i thought Muneer(not u Munir) was a psycho!

  246. #246 by Shoaib on October 4, 2009 - 4:52 AM

    Omer yeah you ate right but my question is about keep scoreboard moving, you can tell the way they were playing with ease they could have managed least more singles. That’s my point. Anyone wants to comment on umpiring standards in this match? May be Simon was effected by ICC decision umpire of the year. :d

  247. #247 by khansahab on October 4, 2009 - 2:10 PM

    Sweetie

    Is that the speech where he threatened the Waderas with murder?

    Haha I’m watching it now, he is a cartoon. What a character, LOL. How can he be called a leader?

  248. #248 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 4, 2009 - 4:43 PM

    BF, I dunno which one it is, a friend of mine posted it on FB. He’s a leader of whack jobs like himself (Muneer included!) LOL

    There’s one my sis sent me, i was shocked & couldn’t laugh in disbelief, but u must watch it.

  249. #249 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 4, 2009 - 4:46 PM

    Lord… lol

  250. #250 by Awas on October 4, 2009 - 5:01 PM

    He will do wonderful job as a comedian.

  251. #251 by khansahab on October 4, 2009 - 5:34 PM

    Awas

    I was thinking the same thing that he should work as a comedian. The best MQM leader was Azeem Tariq who was assassinated (some say by his own party people). He was educated, respectable and tolerant of Punjabis.

  252. #252 by Awas on October 4, 2009 - 6:13 PM

    khansahab

    Quite right.

    Besides Azeem Tariq, there are a lot of other decent leaders in MQM. I hope this party does well but this clown needs to banish himself first for the sake of the party.

  253. #253 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 4, 2009 - 6:26 PM

    Awas & BF, This man is the Devil in a clown’s (that too a very pathetic one) disguise!

  254. #254 by khansahab on October 4, 2009 - 7:33 PM

    Awas

    Farooq Sattar and Shoaib Bukhari are two guys who are decent. But they don’t have “goonda power”. That is why people say neither of them will become the leader after Altaf. That Babar Ghouri has goonda power and he will most probably become the next Chief.

  255. #255 by newguy30 on October 4, 2009 - 8:44 PM

    Hi Guys,

    First of all, sorry to see Pakistan going out, I know how you all are feeling. but .. that’s the way the game goes.

    A comment about umpiring, I read on cricinfo (pakspin) blog many Pakistan supporters were calling it was unfair, I saw the portions of the match where the so called mistakes were made and I have this to say. Umar Akmal’s decision was unfortunate, but that was about the only legitimate mistake, there were a couple of LBW decision that got turned down, but I saw those and they were good decisions, as always LBW decisions are very hard to judge even with technology unless they are plumb in front, in this case they were either on leg stump or off stump, missing the stumps.

    Akmal got a poor decision, but it goes both ways, in the India/Pakistan game Suresh Raina got an identical decision, ball hit the bat first before it hit the pad, and at that time he was going great guns, if Raina had gone on for another 5 overs match would have had different results. Similarly a few more runs from Akmal would have changed this match, but these things happen, so unless there are many such incidences one should not call umpiring as not up to standards.

    I don’t think Pakistan lost the match because of that, could they have won had those decisions gone their way? probably, but that was not the main reason. The reason why Pakistan lost is because the batsmen did not put enough runs on the board, simple as that, they did a good effort to defend the total, but it wasn’t enough. Pakistan had a strange strategy of batting slow for whatever reason, then they lost wickets, it is one thing to go slow and build and innings then to go for broke, but if cannot capitalize on that and instead lose wickets all you have done is wasted a lot of balls. Malik and Yousuf did this against India too, and they were very lucky that they caught Indians napping on the field, and captain Dhoni left his brain behind that day. Not so with Aus/NZ, in fact except for that Malik/Yousuf partnership against India, Pakistan batted poorly in all matches, it was the bowlers who did the job.

    Anyhow, this was known problem before the CT, India had bowling problems, Pakistan had batting problems, even SA had bowling problems, and even Australia have problems, but with Ponting back to form they are winning again.

    NZ played well yesterday, but one wicket would have may be changed the match, Younus dropped a sitter this was perhaps the turning point, but you never know since NZ had another specialist batsman to come, and couple of all rounders who could score a few runs, so in the end it was batting that failed to put up enough runs on board that caused the loss. Pakistan need to focus on their old style of batting, fearless, then only they can win matches with the bat.

  256. #256 by newguy30 on October 4, 2009 - 9:07 PM

    Omar, #260 on Tendulkar choking on big occasions, I don’t totally buy that theory, it is true that he hasn’t single handed won a world cup or anything like that, but then who has? All the teams that won did it through team performance, agreed that individual performances can go long way, but what is Tendulkar alone to do if the bowlers keep giving away runs by the bucket. There are number of matches were Sachin hundreds were wasted by poor performance by bowlers.

    I have been following cricket for the last 25 years or so, and Indian cricket closely, and I will tell you this, regardless of Sachin not having won big matches or not, he remains the single most greatest cricketer that India has produced, period. Sachin’s batting when it comes off makes up for all his failures, it’s just so enjoyable to watch, even experts and ex-cricketers are raving about all those shots he makes, this is his greatest skill, the pure beauty of his game.

    In the end most Indians don’t care whether how many matches he has won, we just feel we are lucky to have Sachin play for India, simple as that.

  257. #257 by khansahab on October 4, 2009 - 9:14 PM

    Newguy

    No one disputes Tendulkar’s genius with the bat. People just talk about the fact that some other great batsmen have won more matches for their teams. Personally I don’t find this argument very convincing because a batsman’s job is to score runs firstly, and his runs get added to the team’s score.

    As a creator of strokes, as a batsman on difficult pitches, as a dominating batsman, I agree no one can match Tendulkar- not even Lara, although there is a very small difference between the 2. Ponting is very good on bowling pitches, but Tendulkar is slightly better than Ponting again because Tendulkar has scored many runs against McGrath and Warne whereas Ponting hasn’t. I think the greatest attribute of Tendulkar is that he has been playing for 20 years and he is still making centuries.

  258. #258 by khansahab on October 4, 2009 - 9:28 PM

    Younis Khan has made his situation very difficult by saying he was “unfit” during the semi final vs NZ and that is the reason why he dropped that catch.

    Firstly I think that catch has been blown out of proportion because catches are dropped under pressure. However, since Younis did not perform with the bat in ANY match, I think he should have sat out against NZ in the semi because Pakistan needed him more as a batsman than as a captain.

    Yousuf was easily Pakistan’s best batsman, followed by Umer Akmal. Ramiz Raja has said that Pakistan must look for youth now, but one must ruminate as to whom Raja is referring to. He must mean Younis, because Malik is not “old” and in any event Raja supports Malik. Raja cannot mean Yousuf because Yousuf was Pakistan’s best batsman.

    I think this is a good time for Younis to retire from ODI cricket. There is some kind of barrier that prevents him from being more consistent. He has played many matches now and he ought to realise now what the barrier is that prevents him from boosting this 32/33 average to 35+. Once Younis retires people like Malik can follow suit because now when you expose Malik’s selfish and dismal performances, his fans always point out towards Younis’s record and they say Younis should go first.

  259. #259 by khansahab on October 4, 2009 - 10:48 PM

    Omer

    Lara was a genius surely, because of his ability to dominate bowlers and his footwork was outstanding, it did have a stroke of genius. But, if I am totally impartial, I would say Tendulkar is a touch better, maybe because of his completeness. I remember in the early to mid 90’s some shots were not so much in “fashion” and Tendulkar revolutionised them, such as the leg glance towards square leg which he played more firmly and authoritatively than Azharuddin, who used more of his wrists and flexibility. Also, the flick above the bowler’s head for six- these are some of the shots he pioneered. Also, he is one of the first players I saw who made a lot of runs by leaving his wicket and making room and hitting the ball in the cover region etc on fast bowling. Nowadays these shots are very common and every Tom, Dick and Malik can play them.

    Regarding your point about Malik, I don’t think he has changed. I don’t know what has made you think he is a different player. He was always going to perform against a timid Indian bowling attack. This Indian attack was like the one in the mid to late 90’s when India was an average team, and players like Ramiz Raja and Ijaz Ahmed used to play well against them.

    I think in the context of modern day cricket, Tendulkar appears as a genius for his longevity and not for his strokes or skill. But, in the 90’s he was definitely emerging as a genius. His contribution to cricket has been unprecedented- for example, he showed that your best batsman can open in ODI’s for you and also play with a very decent strike rate, something that teams did not want to venture because the best batsman was always playing at no 3-4. He also proved one can score quickly by playing proper cricketing shots and not slogging.

    Don’t get me wrong when I say this, but the way Sehwag is a genius, that he can destroy attacks on moving pitches; in that way Afridi is also a genius because he has done that too. Sehwag is a totally unique batsman and he has no parallel; as I said earlier, don’t get me wrong but Afridi is also a pure hitter. Afridi’s genius is that at his peak he was hitting sixes at will and he was hitting with a lot of power. What makes Afridi unique is that it doesn’t matter which bowler it is or what pitch it is, Afridi is very capable of destroying any attack. I would classify Sehwag as a genius, but of a lesser sort than Tendulkar and Lara.

    I don’t think Lara was any less complete than Tendulkar. He could play any shot, he was excellent at using his feet. When it comes to footwork, no one was better than Lara and his genius was that he carved out runs using his feet.

    But in terms of comparison, I have said this before that because Tendulkar is right handed, because he has made most of his runs as opener in ODI’s and because he was at his best against the 2 best bowlers of his era (McGrath and Warne), he is slightly better than Lara.

  260. #260 by Varun Suri on October 5, 2009 - 10:58 AM

    Interesting discussion going on between Sachin and Sehwag and i thought it would be at to paste the following extract here:-

    Idol to opening partner
    What can be better than reminding your hero of himself?

    In 1992 I saw Sachin Tendulkar for the first time, on TV during the World Cup. I was in class seven and the exams were on, but I skipped them because the games used to be telecast early in the morning and clashed with the school timings.

    I just loved the way he batted – that first memory is still fresh. I even tried copying him, standing in front of the TV, bat in hand, in my old house in Najafgarh. I tried to keep my body still, head still and tried to hit a straight drive or the back-foot punch like he did, but I couldn’t do it.

    In the 1993-94 New Zealand series I would stay awake and bother the neighbours in the middle of the night just to watch him play. We didn’t have cable television in our house. That was the first time he played as an opener.

    I have followed his career closely, and have seen most of his innings from before the time I joined the Indian team.

    Both of us have come a long away and it is a great honour that Tendulkar thinks I come close to resembling him as a batsman. It is a great honour, like a dream come true. If I die tomorrow I’ll be the happiest man because I played this game because of Tendulkar, and Tendulkar himself saying that I resemble him – there is no bigger compliment than that.

    As told to Nagraj Gollapudi, an assistant editor at Cricinfo

  261. #261 by Varun Suri on October 5, 2009 - 11:23 AM

    Omer,

    It is also hard to believe that Sachin can get drunk and get involved in fights which something which we have never heard of in 20 years!

    On the ongoing discussion, i think until the arrival of Ganguly and Dravid, Sachin had to bear the sole responsibility of the Indian batting as he was the only dependable option for us and in those years there had been innumerable occasions when Sachin would have scored big but still India would not have won either due to the bowlers or the rest of the batsmen.Indian Team was a mediocre team in the 90’s and it was tough for only one great batsmen to win big tournaments.He has improved his performances in the finals of recent tournaments prior to this Champions Trophy and it is not right to say that he chokes on the big moments because on many occasions he is the one who created those moments for example many people still complain about that India-Pakistan Test Match where India were chasing 236 odd and he scored a century and then got out and then the rest of the batsmen could not finish the job and India lost by 16 runs or so,If he hadnt scored a century then we would not have even reached so close to the target.

    I think now the only thing which is left in Sachin Tendulkar story is the World Cup. Like Imran Khan that would be the ideal way to exit but then nobody can predict the future. If i was him my only grudge now would be that even though being the world ‘s best batsmen i never could win a world cup.

    like Sehwag i also remember waking up early in those days and watching him in 1992 but ofcourse i did not skip my exams i was not as good as Sehwag to do that!! but i never idolised him so much so as to make a God out of him because Cricket is a team sport and as long as the team does not win or imoprove it’s records individual statistics are meaningless. So i always saw Tendulkar along with Ganguly and Dravid as the saviours of Indian Cricket and it’s a great pity that they could not win the World Cup in 2003 that was India’s best chance in 20 years and i doubt if it will happen again during Sachin’s career.

  262. #262 by newguy30 on October 5, 2009 - 1:38 PM

    Omar,

    Regarding commentators, Shastri etc criticizing Yousuf, what does it have to do with Tendulkar performing or not? That’s just conspiracy theory taken to extreme my friend. I expect such comments from the masses posting on cricinfo blogs, but not on these blogs where everyone has a higher understanding of the game and can appreciate players from other countries by passing national fervor. Commentators are doig their job, and Shastri is one of the neutrals, he praises Pakistan when they perform well, but in this game Yousuf wasted balls, I don’t agree he played to the interest of the team, Umar Akmal played to the interest of the team, I would agree to that, he was scoring better than Yousuf and Yousuf was trying to tell him not to play risky shots, good that he did not listen. Finally, no one criticizes Tendulkar any more for team India failures, Indians are plain happy he keeps playing and contributing to the team cause for as long as he plays, he is clearly in the last couple of years of his career, not the time to blame him for the losses, younger folks need to learn as much as they can from him and draw inspiration and go on to emulate him, like Sehwag, like Youraj, like Raina, so many of the Indians were inspired by Tendulkar.

    I won’t get into who is a genius and who among Tendulkar, Lara, and Ponting are better, to me all of them are greats, but Tendulkar simply is the greatest ever Indian cricketer. I admire Lara, he had different skills, Tendular cannot match his longevity at the crease, or his domination of the bowling, they are different, but even Lara said once Tendulkar is better, but I will leave all that aside. I won’t count Ponting in the same league though, he hasn’t scored heavily in the sub-continent, especially India, he hasn’t played in Pakistan enough test cricket, neither has he faced Wasim/Waqar, Walsh/Ambrose in their pomp and scored heavily. Infact, if you want to bring in Ponting to the discussion you should bring in Inzamam also, I would compare Inzi with Ponting, Inzi though did not motivate himself enough, otherwise he could have been a modern great.

    Also interesting conspiracy theory on a Tendulkar getting into fist fight with others, let’s pursue this for a bit though. Who in their right mind would dare to hit a man who is being adored by a billion Indians, and widely respected all over the cricketing world? They have to have a death wish, or want to end their career. Can you imagine with the nosy media, poking around every single bit of news from team India not getting to know about anything like this? and if they do, will it take longer than 24 hours for the news to flash all over. Getting into a fight is something Tendular will never do publicly or privately, one can make up a person’s character from how he conducts himself and he has been in public view for 20 years, there is nothing that comes anywhere close to him getting into a fight with anyone.

  263. #263 by newguy30 on October 5, 2009 - 6:06 PM

    Omer,

    I did not hear this part of commentary when Yousuf was batting, so obviously I cannot comment, I didn’t know they went that far as you say, I’ll try to listen. Anyhow, it’s easy to sit in the box and comment, people like Shastri forget how they used to play (he wasted a lot of balls himself, 1987 WC semi final again England comes to mind). Mohd Yousuf is an excellent batsman, I have no doubt, he is classical but at the same time he can build a good ODI innings, his innings against India was what changed the course of that match, but I thought he played too defensively on that game, may be he was trying turn things around as it was may be not easy to bat.

    I also agree with you when it comes to Tendulkar all of India goes very defensive. Me included 🙂

    But I am not offended.

    Today’s game is interesting, NZ is making it hard for Australia, according to some of the “experts” on Cricinfo Australia will finish this in 40 overs with 3 wickets down, well, so far they are 2 down with Ponting back in the hutch and NZ bowling one maiden after another. I’d very much like to see Cricinfo experts proven wrong. These guys don’t know anything about cricket, but writes as if they are experts.

  264. #264 by khansahab on October 5, 2009 - 8:43 PM

    Omer

    The words you have mentioned about Sehwag can also be mentioned about Afridi, that he can play when the conditions are adverse etc. I have a lot of respect for Sehwag and I wonder you were visiting this blog when I did a thread exclusively on Sehwag a long while back. The only difference is Sehwag plays long innings whereas Afridi plays small ones, but in terms of role and impact they are both there for the same thing.

    It does not matter what I think as regards Tendulkar vs McGrath or Tendulkar vs Warne, but both of these bowlers have themselves stated Tendulkar plays them better than everyone else. They have not been paid by the BCCI for saying this and neither McGrath nor Warne are so humble that they will just praise someone for the sake of praising someone or agreeing with the “majority opinion”.

    I don’t form my opinions on the basis of what the majority opinion is, because if I was doing that I would not be arguing Malik is pathetic right after his match winning century against India. Also, I still maintain Tendulkar chokes under pressure, but if you go on Statsguru Cricinfo you will see that his contribution in India’s victories is much greater proportionately than the centuries he has scored where India has lost matches.

    As regards why Tendulkar has never played an innings like Dravid or Laxman or Sehwag, I think the answer is easy; Tendulkar does not play slow like Dravid or Laxman. He likes to take risks, but at the same time he does not slog or take as many risks as Sehwag.

  265. #265 by Awas on October 5, 2009 - 9:05 PM

    What a quaint idea it was to give the winning team white jackets? How could they have tailored the right sizes? The one on Ricky Ponting looked definitely big and on Bret Lee way small.

    I guess now they can all go night clubbing strutting their white jackets 🙂

  266. #266 by Awas on October 5, 2009 - 9:23 PM

    khansahab

    Not that I really wanted to bring this again here unnecessarily but the point wasn’t that Malik is pathetic. We the “majority” here on LS all agree that he is. I for one often call him a mediocre player along with Misbah. The point was that the “majority” also thought Malik (and undoubtedly Yousuf) played admirable knock in the match against India despite the fact that it was one off. What is good is good.

  267. #267 by Shoaib on October 5, 2009 - 11:46 PM

    NewGuy30
    Ref:
    ”The reason why Pakistan lost is because the batsmen did not put enough runs on the board, simple as that, they did a good effort to defend the total, but it wasn’t enough. Pakistan had a strange strategy of batting slow for whatever reason, then they lost wickets, it is one thing to go slow and build and innings then to go for broke, but if cannot capitalize on that and instead lose wickets all you have done is wasted a lot of balls. Malik and Yousuf did this against India too, and they were very lucky that they caught Indians napping on the field”

    I am absolutely agreed with your #260 comments.

    No team drop their run rate to that extend as Pakistani number 3, 4 and 5 do. Especially when you watching Malik, Yousaf batting playing comfortably but with very slow moving scoreboard, you can tell that how many more singles they could have made but how lazy they were they didnt even bother. No team does that!!

  268. #268 by Shoaib on October 5, 2009 - 11:47 PM

    Brothers! how can i put my photo here, any help?

  269. #269 by Shoaib on October 6, 2009 - 2:55 AM

    does anyone know where is Shoaib Akhtar nowadays, last time he was dropped from T20 squad because of his gentital warts problem. For those who don’t know, genital warts is a sexually transmitted disease (STD). It has no cure and this STD will stay there for whole life and also can lead to cancer. For more info, go search on google or wikipedia.I would say That surely is the last nail in the coffin!!
    What is interesting is WHY pcb has so openly told the public about this!! 😀
    this is going to become a joke in the cricketing world! who the hell would admit to having genital warts! There goes his chance of getting married (unless she has them too).
    What an idiot. $10 hookers might seem like a good bargain but you never know what else you walk away with apart from that smile on your face. 😀

    Comments please………

  270. #270 by Mohammed Munir on October 6, 2009 - 3:57 AM

    Where is Javed A. Khan ??

    This site is not the same without him, you know 😉

  271. #271 by Mohammed Munir on October 6, 2009 - 10:18 AM

    What an anticlimax … 😦

    It was an utterly pathetic and total waste of time and money kind of final.

    Not only that the teams were no-one’s favourites, but the way they played was hopeless and BAAD for the game of Cricket. This was evident by more then half empty stadium with minimal attendance.

    I for one, give it a miss and slept early in the night only to know in the morning, who won the match.

    Had any of the major crowd-pullers like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or South Africa (as CT was played in SA) reached the finals, it would have been a totally different scenario.

  272. #272 by Awas on October 6, 2009 - 12:40 PM

    Shoaib Malik has criticised the team management for shuffling the batting order during the CT, saying it affected his form.

    Malik said he would never bat as an opener or at the number three position in future.
    “I am ready to bat any position for the team but it is not a good strategy on part of the team management to keep on changing the batting order of players in every match. They are unable to focus and produce runs,” he said.

    Malik, who was sent at the number three position in the crucial semifinal against New Zealand and failed, said in future he would not like to be used as an opener or number three player and wants a permanent position in the team.

    “One of the reasons why players can’t score consistently is they don’t know about their position for the next match.

    The team management should inform a player before a series or tournament where they expect him to bat.

    “Personally, I am not comfortable playing as an opener or number three batsman. Constantly changing the batting order affects the focus and concentration of the batsmen,” he said.

    Malik said Pakistan lost the Champions Trophy because the batting struggled on a pitch which was good for bowlers.

    “Our batsmen didn’t get enough runs although I thought 233 was a defendable target but we dropped catches at crucial times and our bowling was sloppy,” he said.

  273. #273 by Awas on October 6, 2009 - 12:44 PM

    Malik has the nerve, firstly to criticise the management in public and then dictating his own terms where he wants to bat as though he is one of the best batsmen and indispensable. That really is the last straw and PCB should dispense with him right now.

    PCB should set an example that one needs to be selfless to play for Pakistan.

  274. #274 by newguy30 on October 6, 2009 - 12:45 PM

    Munir, totally agree that missing one of the Asian teams in the final made it lose it’s appeal. One of the things that made WC made appealing is that every year for last 5 WC one of the finalists were either of SL (96, 07), Pak (92, 99), Ind (03), and the other team being Australia of course (except Eng 92). Now, it would have been great if they could win it too more than once, but Australians just fight more hard than anyone else to win when they get to the final.

  275. #275 by Mohammed Munir on October 6, 2009 - 12:51 PM

    Shoaib Malik …

    “Our batsmen didn’t get enough runs although I thought 233 was a defendable target but we dropped catches at crucial times and our bowling was sloppy,”

    Is Shoaib Malik pointing toward Younis Khan (dropped catches) and Gul and Rana (Sloppy Bowling) ?? 😉

  276. #276 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 6, 2009 - 1:52 PM

    Shoaib, u can ask a sis (moi) to help u out with ure pic! lol

    Munir, Javed went lookin for Abdul. lol

  277. #277 by newguy30 on October 6, 2009 - 8:48 PM

    Read this somewhere else, just posting it, I don’t believe any of it.

    “In a shocking revelation, Chairman of the Sports Committee of the Pakistan National Assembly has alleged that the Pakistan team deliberately lost the game to Australia to knock India out of the Champions Trophy. We went with a pre-determined mind to lose out the match against Australia. Our intention was to keep India out. It was a deliberate decision to lose match against India, Jamshed Ahmed Dasti told Pakistan TV channel Geo TV in an interview. Dasti went on to claim that Pakistan also fixed the result of their semi-final match against New Zealand, which they lost by five wickets. As is often the case, Dasti has not provided any evidence to back these claims, but has summoned the team management including the captain and the coach to discuss the matter”

    As I said, I don’t believe any of this, in fact I think this is a ridiculously naive allegation. Why would Pakistan want to play to lose against Australia so that they can keep India out, why would that matter to them? it wouldn’t.

    Second, any team that wants to win a tournament should not take any game less seriously no matter whether they qualified or not, in fact, they should try to win every game and dominate the opposition, that will keep momentum and boost confidence, and will give them advantage when meeting the same team in semi or final.

    Third, I don’t think they tried to lose the semi, they tried, but NZ played hard too. One drop catch does not make a match fixing.

    Who is this guy anyway? and how irresponsible can he be, if indeed he is in some position of power, making comments like that.

  278. #278 by Mohammed Munir on October 7, 2009 - 4:45 AM

    ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ … Munir, Javed went lookin for Abdul. lol

    Well, in that case, god help poor Abdul 😉

  279. #279 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 7, 2009 - 3:23 PM

    hehehe Wait till Javed hunts me down & kills me!! lol

  280. #280 by maza786 on October 7, 2009 - 3:59 PM

    http://www.cricinfo.com/zimbabwe/content/story/428684.html

    I’ve been bragging on about this chap for a long time and finally he gets his chance ………… what a mouth-watering prospect.

  281. #281 by maza786 on October 7, 2009 - 4:10 PM

    I also want YK to resign from captaincy for the following reasons:

    – He seems a tad over strict with players. This is unnecessary and unsuitable. Its breaks team morale.
    – He says some pathetic things in the media i.e. slip of tongue. His English is an embarrassment. No one interacts so poorly and in fluently. We need someone intelligent and inspiring like Imran Khan.
    – There has been a mechanism of his poor batting form and captaincy.

    Appoint Shahid Afridi! Anyone agree?

  282. #282 by Awas on October 7, 2009 - 5:15 PM

    maza786

    He seems a tad over strict with players

    Are you sure? Wouldn’t Afridi be a tad more over strict?

    By the way, what is wrong with the name Abdul that you keep changing?

  283. #283 by khansahab on October 7, 2009 - 8:32 PM

    Omer

    https://legslip.com/2008/08/03/adding-method-to-madness/#comments

    I hope you will now understand how much respect I have for Sehwag.

    I was disappointed to see you are supporting Malik on that “batting order changes” issue. That is because a good player is someone who can score at any position under any circumstance. Yousuf is very good from no 3 onwards to no 5, Fawad Alam scored a big century on a seaming track as opener which is not his natural position, Tendulkar bats as opener in ODI’s but at no 4 in Tests etc. So, Malik is definitely not in that league and he is mediocre. He has to make runs wherever he is batting but the problem is short attention span and lack of mental strength to survive for so long at the crease.

  284. #284 by Shoaib on October 8, 2009 - 12:11 AM

    Where is A Q Khan of this blog, i mean Javed A Khan??? I hope he is alright…..

    NewGuy30: Ref:307
    I will check tomorrow and will let you know who is this guy and if he has got any evidence for such accusation. Its too late and i am ready to go to bed.

    Take care all

  285. #285 by Mohammed Munir on October 8, 2009 - 11:35 AM

    It hurts the most, when it is expected the least …

    We lost the Semi-Final and there are a hundred reasons why?

    Nevertheless, I would like to mention the following points, which I think were major problems for our exit:

    Strategic Mistakes:

    There are unexpected, occasional and sudden mistakes (like the dropped catch by Younis Khan), and then there are strategically miscalculated blunders which are not done by any one person but are a product of an inefficient group of people (in this case PCB, Coach, Captain, Management, and Think-tank, if we have one).

    Getting out irrationally by one player can be qualified as irresponsible behavior by that same player; however, if half your team is repeating that same mistake then it means there is an underlying problem with team strategy/ weaker management.

    I would not blame Younis Khan for the dropped catch, as much as I would blame him for the strategic mistakes which are happening again and again, and which could have been well avoided easily.

    I consider the following as our major Strategic Blunders:

    – Batting First. After winning the toss on a Wanderers pitch where we had lost 6 out of our 7 played games. We should have learned our lessons.

    – Playing Rana Naveed. How beneficial was to play a mediocre bowlers at no. 8 only in hope of his batting strength. Rana could not do much with the bat throughout the tournament and it was wrong to play him only for his bowling/ all-rounder performance. If 7 of your batsmen can not do a job they are assigned to do, then Rana would also not. Secondly, by playing Rana we have sacrificed a main strike bowler in Asif that too after seeing his satisfactory performance in the earlier game (two wickets & a dropped catch of Asif by Afridi). Those who think Rana did a good job in Australian match and so should have got a chance in the semis, well Asif did a better bowling job then Rana in that same game, plus don’t forget that Rana got dot balls bowling to number 9 and 10 Aussies batsmen only.

    – Untimely Power-Play. I think, Captain and Coach are to be fully blamed for this mistake, as they wasted the Batting Power-Play. It would have been much better to avail the Power-Play when Umer Akmal and Yousuf, or even Afridi was there. What is the use of Batting Power-Play advantage, if you are not left with any batsmen to play ?

    – Removing Shoaib. Malik was bowling well and the NZ team werev having some problems against the spin, so there was not need to remover him and bring Rana back.

    – Failed Openers. Our opening problem is continuing for a zillion years now and there is nothing that the Coach or the Team management have done about it.

    – Rising Balls. Almost all our batters had difficulty playing the rising balls and these were expected in SA and more so at Wanderers. What the Coach had done to counter that ?

    Junior Batsmen:

    For how long will we keep the entire batting-line responsibility only on Younis Khan & Mohammed Yousuf (our major batsmen). Why are we not blaming Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi, Misbah-ul-Haq, Kamran Akmal, Imran Nazir etc. ?

    This Junior Batsmen culture have to end and everyone who is playing for the national team should be held responcible equally.

    Captain Factor:

    Younis Khan is going through a rough patch for his batting; however, his Captaincy is also not something to talk about. He made a fun of himself by confessing that he played the semi-final carrying an injury. What out Captain is missing is that performance of Ponting and Vettori, who have both taken their respective teams through the semi-finals and are always their to take the responsibility.

    Umpiring:

    The less said about the umpiring, the better. However, the news is that Simon Tufle have apologized to Umer Akmal for the wrong decision, but how good is that ?

    All said and done, we lost to a team which we never expected to loose and as such it hurts the most.

    PS: Sorry I was not able to write this article a bit early, as I was terribly busy and going through some tough times.

  286. #286 by Awas on October 8, 2009 - 5:04 PM

    Malik in trouble for complaining

    Shoaib Malik has invited trouble with his criticism of the team’s frequent batting reshuffle in the ICC Champions Trophy.

    Now the Pakistan Cricket Board will review if it amounts to contract violation.
    The former Pakistan captain Malik drew the ire captain Younus Khan and coach Intikhab Alam after blaming the team management for indulging in too much shuffling of the batting order in the Champions Trophy.

    Sources in the Pakistan Cricket Board told PTI that the PCB was now was reviewing Malik’s statement in which he said he would not bat as an opener or one-down batsman in future as it affected his batting.

    Malik, who was replaced by Younus earlier this year as the skipper of the side, said one reason for the batsmen struggling for consistent form was because the team management shuffled around the batting order a lot.

    The PCB, however, is not amused and a board source said, “We are looking to see if Malik’s statement is a violation of his central contract”.

    Younus and Intikhab, meanwhile, have already made their feelings clear.

    “No attempt to disturb any player”

    Intikhab said that as far as he was concerned no player could dictate to the team management which position he would bat on.

    “I don’t know why Malik made such a statement because if you want to play for Pakistan then you have to be prepared for a change in your batting order if the team requires this,” Intikhab said.

    Intikhab made it clear that any changes in the batting order were made because of the given situation. “There is no attempt to disturb any player,” he said.
    Intikhab said he believed that in modern day cricket, especially in one-dayers and Twenty20, a team needed to be flexible in its approach to the game and not play to a set pattern.

    “We have to adjust”

    Younis also made it clear that any one in the national team was required to be prepared to bat at any position if the team required this.
    “I have myself opened the innings in Australia and batted at different positions, including at number three, this year against Sri Lanka. Being professional cricketers we have to adjust accordingly,” he said.

    Malik also came under criticism from former Pakistan captain, Rashid Latif who said any player who refused to bat at the position suggested by the team management would not be in his team.
    “Any player who says he will not at this or that position he will never be in my team because no exceptions can be made for anyone,” Latif said.

    Malik was sent in at number three in the semi-final of the Champions Trophy against New Zealand and failed after he had scored a match-winning hundred against India in an earlier match batting lower down the order.

  287. #287 by Awas on October 8, 2009 - 5:06 PM

    That is exactly what I said in my comment 302 above.

  288. #288 by khansahab on October 10, 2009 - 4:55 PM

    Shoaib Malik refuses to lead department team

    Karachi: Upset at not being promoted, former national captain Shoaib Malik has refused to lead his departmental team Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy tournament.

    Malik has also threatened to quit the team altogether if he was not given the promotion he “deserved” in two days time.

    “I deserve to be in grade 7. Other less qualified and people with little educational qualifications have been promoted to this grade. I am a former Pakistan captain and still a senior player yet the airlines management has turned a blind eye to my request,” he said.

    He said he had been representing PIA for 14 years and deserved a promotion to Grade 7.

    PIA, one of the star studded teams, on the domestic circuit opened its campaign on Saturday and Test batsman, Faisal Iqbal will be leading the team after Malik’s refusal to accept captaincy.

    The airlines have also lost the services of pace bowler Umar Gul, who has also joined the Habib Bank team for the season and will represent them in domestic cricket.

  289. #289 by khansahab on October 10, 2009 - 4:56 PM

    Younus injured, Afridi may lead Pakistan against NZ

    LAHORE: All-rounder Shahid Afridi is likely to be named captain of the Pakistan one-day squad. Afridi, who is already skipper of the Twenty20 national outfit, met Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ijaz Butt at the Gaddafi Stadium here on Friday along with outgoing manager Yawar Saeed. The announcement, in this regard, is likely to be made in a couple of days. Afridi, who played an important role in Pakistan’s victory in the Twenty20 World Cup in England in June this year, has always expressed his desire to lead the country in Test and ODIs. Afridi has represented Pakistan in 26 Tests, 285 ODIs and 24 T20s

  290. #290 by Shoaib on October 10, 2009 - 7:11 PM

    I am anxious. Where is Javed Khan? i hope everything is ok. I am reading blogs since T20 world cup and this has never happened before. Anyone knows if Javed Khan Sahab is alright? please comment……….Thanks

  291. #291 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 10, 2009 - 8:49 PM

    Shoaib, Javed is fine.

  292. #292 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 10, 2009 - 8:53 PM

  293. #293 by Mohammed Munir on October 11, 2009 - 4:47 AM

    Khansahab / Awas …

    Please finish the suspence here and tell Mr. Shoaib clearly (comment no. 327), as to where Mr. Javed A. Khan really is ?

    Sweetie …

    This question is not for you 😉

  294. #294 by Mohammed Munir on October 11, 2009 - 4:56 AM

    It’s more then twenty days that we haven’t got a new thread, what’s happening at LS ?? 😉

    A lot have happened, since that Indian/ Pakistan game, and unfortunately, we are not to see any new article.

    Khansahab … Sub Kuchh Theek Tu Hai Na ?

  295. #295 by Mohammed Munir on October 11, 2009 - 6:28 AM

    I came across this nice article and it makes good reading … here it for you to enjoy !!

    Only Champions. Only the Best. *
    by Jarrod Kimber

    That’s the tagline for the Champions League kicking off in Bangalore tonight. I am however starting to wish their people had put an asterisk on all their marketing.

    Cricket is after all a gentleman’s game but this first league of extraordinary gentlemen has unfortunately left Pakistan out as just plain extra. I love the idea of this tournament, but it isn’t only champions, because some runners-up are in there too.

    Follow up:

    And it isn’t only the best either, because the best-performing international side in Twenty20 world thingies … with one title, two finals, and not to forget boosting a far superior win/loss ratio than any other … doesn’t even have one side in.

    If anyone deserves the title Champions in this format it is them.

    And that is the one thing stopping me from being really excited over this tournament.

    Australia, South Africa and England all have two sides each in this tournament, and none of them has even made it to the final of the World T20 yet.

    England may never reach it.

    Pakistanis are tailor-made for this. Their style of play was invented decades ago, hoping that one day Twenty20 cricket would be invented.

    They are the real kings of this (and I am not talking about their World T20 crown alone). Even the first IPL title was won with two Pakistanis (contributing significantly) in that Rajasthan Royals side. The ICL was successful because of the introduction of a certain team Lahore Badshahs in it who were not only the runners up first time around, but also won the next title (their most recent one).

    Australia have ignored imports for years in domestic cricket, but this year two of their sides had Pakistanis playing in them as well. Did they contribute? Well, let’s just say they make things exciting.

    Pakistani cricketers have always been my favourite, and it seems wrong to not have them in a tournament like this. Especially when it isn’t their fault.

    I know that there are a lot of idiots, from all parts of society, that are the reason for Pakistan not being in this tournament, but that doesn’t mean it is good enough.

    So this is not a Champions League, it is an Almost Champions League.

    Although that won’t look good on the poster, so instead they should start a campaign of YouTube propaganda videos informing the general cricket public that Pakistan are in fact useless and pathetic at Twenty20.

    Here I’ll help … this can be a media starter pack:

    • Dirk Nannes bowling Afridi while wearing his Dutch shirt.
    • England beating them in the first game of this year’s World tournament.
    • Imran Nazir’s forward defence.
    • Misbah ul Haq getting out in I don’t even remember how many weird ways.
    • And an endless loop of Inzy running in slow motion with Baywatch music in the background.

    If this party over in India goes well, no one will care that those super dudes from Pakistan didn’t come, but if it turns lame, people might start wishing they had dropped by. Also the Champions League should not be confused with the (ICC’s) Champions Trophy which should be confused with a real tournament.

    Author of this post, Jarrod Kimber, is an Australian writer based in London, UK.
    Also known as Jrod, he can be found at cricketwithballs.com

    PS: Incidentally, last night the third Indian team also lost their game and as of now, all the three participating Indian teams (Best / Champions) have lost all their games so far.

  296. #296 by khansahab on October 11, 2009 - 8:02 AM

    Munir sahab/Shoaib/Omer

    Thank you for asking. Javed A Khan is well alhamdulillah, but he is busy due to some personal appointments.

    I am just busy with work, when I return home I am too tired to say anything. Plus, Pakistan team has started depressing me now. Malik and Misbah are pathetic, Younis Khan plays stupid shots etc.

    Omer

    Yes I have learned a lot of legal tricks. One of them is, it does not matter what you say, what matters is “how you say it”. I will tell you more as time goes 🙂

  297. #297 by Mohammed Munir on October 11, 2009 - 9:29 AM

    Whew … 😛

    Thanks god he is fine, as I was thinking … 😆

  298. #298 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 11, 2009 - 3:55 PM

    Munir, it’s what Ziyad said… I’m not sure if i should say it out loud here LOL

  299. #299 by Shoaib on October 11, 2009 - 5:08 PM

    Mubarak ho seb ko

  300. #300 by khansahab on October 11, 2009 - 8:43 PM

    Omer

    No, but I have just seen GI Joe and yesterday I saw Watchmen. I liked both.

  301. #301 by khansahab on October 11, 2009 - 8:52 PM

    Pro-Malik lobby campaigns to get Younis ousted

    KARACHI: As if Pakistan cricket did not have enough crisis, a pro-Shoaib Malik lobby has launched a campaign against Younis Khan to get him ousted from the captain’s post.

    Even though Pakistan won the Twenty20 World Cup and reached the semi-finals of the recent Champions Trophy, the lobby which wants Malik back as the captain, is giving the impression that teammates are not happy with Younis’ leadership and attitude.

    A recent meeting between vice-captain Shahid Afridi and Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Ejaz Butt has also led to reports that Butt has told Afridi to be prepared to lead the side in the coming One-day series against New Zealand.

    PCB COO Wasim Bari, however, said on Sunday that the meeting was a routine one to review the Champions Trophy performance and captaincy was not discussed in it.

    “No such thing took place that Butt offered Afridi the captaincy. That is a wrong impression,” Bari said.

    He also made it clear that Younis would be meeting the chairman this week and would give an update on his finger injury that he sustained during the Champions Trophy.

    To add fuel to fire, Malik himself gave a statement on his return that he was not happy with the captain and coach’s decision to shuffle around the batting order regularly and claimed his performance was affected because he was not sure of his batting position in the team.

    The lobby which is gunning for Younis has also made a big issue of the fact that whether he should have played in the tournament with his finger injury and over his struggling form.

    Sources close to Younis said that he was disgusted with the campaign against him but was waiting to meet with the PCB Chairman to have a clear talk with him about the captaincy.

    “Younis is going to ask the Chairman to spell out clearly his captaincy term and will insist that the board announce him captain until the 2011 World Cup to remove all doubts over this issue,” one source said.

    The source said what had also upset Younis was that his biggest supporter, former captain Imran Khan, had also criticised his captaincy and form in the Champions Trophy.

    “He is a great admirer of Imran who has also told him directly that unless he performs as a player he should forget about leading the team because the players only look up to a captain who is performing himself,” the source added.

  302. #302 by khansahab on October 11, 2009 - 11:24 PM

    Omer

    I don’t know what Malik has done to you and how poor Fawad Alam has offended you so much that you have even bothered to include Malik in that line-up, potentially at the expense of Fawad?

  303. #303 by Mohammed Munir on October 12, 2009 - 5:16 AM

    Omer …

    I like your team selection !!

    A very good analysis of our team-members and I must confess that you have surely devised quite a flawless strategy for the team Pakistan.

    Three explosive batters at the start (Kamran, Shahzaib & Afridi) followed by three stable middle-order batsmen (Yunis, Yousuf & Malik/ Fawad) with sensible rather slow batting techniques followed again by two natural stroke players in Umer Akmal and Razzaq should provide us with very good and potentially threatening batting lineup. It should comfortably take our batting lineup till number 8 and then Aamir at no. 9 who can also bat a bit. While on the other hand with Asif and Aamir at bowling and Razzaq as third medium-fast bowlers, even Gul will have to struggle for making it into the playing elevens, whereas in the spin department Ajmal, Afridi and Malik/ Fawad should provide us with enough options.

    I must say that this team looks STRONG !! (on paper, at least it does) 😉

    PS: I have been mentioning Shoaib Malik / Fawad Alam, as most probably Malik will play, not only because he is a close relative (Bhanja/ Bhateeja)of Rehman Malik (Minister of Interiors and arguably the strongest man in Pakistan) but also because Malik recently scored a century and won us a game against our arch rival India. Whereas Fawad Alam, with whatever limited opportunities that he got, does not have anything to talk about other then that debut century in a Test against Sri Lanka.

  304. #304 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 12, 2009 - 2:09 PM

    Hello everyone

    I guess my absence was felt because of my disappearing from the blog for the first time for such a long period. I did mention earlier that I will be away for 2 weeks – family reunion. It was great, I am back to work now but, today is “Thanks Giving Day” in Canada and its a public holiday. So, the real work starts from tomorrow however, I need a few more days to catch up with you guys. Thanks for remembering me and missing my boring drivel.

    I did not follow the semi-final which Pakistan lost to NZ, I only heard about it and since then no TV, no computer nothing, it was a good break.

    I don’t understand why you guys are discussing about Pakistan’s ODI team, is there a upcoming series or what? I thought after the Champions Trophy there will be a lull in the cricket arena but, you guys are discussing the ODI team with such passion and enthusiasm it means there is something ahead in the future? Please update me, thanks.

  305. #305 by Shoaib on October 13, 2009 - 12:28 AM

    Welcome back Javed Khan, this is very true that we all missed you so much and we all were a bit worried if everything is ok with you. so yes nice to see you here again.

    Ok here we go, get back to normal again. Javed sahab aap Canada rehtey hey yaa Kaaney Kaachey? aap ko nahi pata Pakistan NZ series shroo honey wali hey aur phir Aus Pak.

    anyway i am just kidding about Kaney kaachey, hows weather in Canada, must be very cold i guess. its closer to north pole isint?

  306. #306 by Mohammed Munir on October 13, 2009 - 6:50 AM

    Welcome back Javed Paraa …

    No TV, No computer, nothing … hope you did not go to Timbuktu for an exclusive vacation 😉

    Any which ways, you were profoundly missed by all of us, and it won’t be wrong to say that “LS is not the same without you”.

    Pakistan is going to play New Zealand soon and that too in UAE (3 ODIs in Abu Dhabi and 2 T20s in Dubai). Following is the schedule:

    First ODI 03-11-2009 Abu Dhabi, UAE.
    Second ODI 06-11-2009 Abu Dhabi, UAE.
    Third ODI 09-11-2009 Abu Dhabi, UAE.

    1st T20 12-11-2009 Dubai, UAE.
    2nd T20 12-11-2009 Dubai, UAE.

    This series will be followed by our Test Series also against New Zealand, where we have three Tests and one side match starting from 18-11-2009 till 15-12-2009.

    Immediately after our NZ Tour, we have a full Australian Tour with three Tests, 5 ODIs, one T20 and a side game. This Australian Tour will start from 19th December 2009 and carry us to 5th of February 2010.

    So this is the actual reason for all our ‘passion and enthusiasm’.

    Now that you are back, we need a new thread please 😉

  307. #307 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 13, 2009 - 1:21 PM

    Shoaib & Munir

    Thanks for the info, I know I would have got that info from cricinfo page but, honestly speaking there was no time and I knew one of you would help me in providing details. It is good to know that NZ will play in the UAE and that will be something for Pakistan to settle a score against them. I am sure Munir would be sitting next to ……….. you know who? 🙂

    Shoaib, yes the weather is cold but this is just the beginning of the unending winter here, from tomorrow night for the next two nights the temp will dip into minus, (-4C) but this is temp., and will get back to plus again. The real winter starts around Christmas time with lotsa lotsa snow and Jan. Feb are the worst months sometimes it is minus 45C but, that is for a day or two but generally it hovers around -25C to -30C and when it goes to -5C people come out in T-shirts. We aren’t so close to North Pole but, yes if you compare it with other tropical countries. 😉 We also get a lot of snow here and Toronto is always 8-10 degrees warmer than here and receives negligible snow and they declare emergency if they get 40cm of snow, all schools are closed, airports are closed and army is called for help, whereas we get at least 4 to 5 such blizzards and life goes on as normal because the city is well prepared and equipped to handle such situations.

    After spending more than 15 winters here, now I feel like taking a break and go away to some sun destination. It is not the severity of winter or the amount of snow that we get, I don’t mind going out in snow and skiing or tobogganing or having fun but, it is the long and stretched winter that gets on to my nerves now. Anyways, for us English or even Scottish winter is like our spring time.

    Few more weeks and then cricket, lights and ACTION 😀

  308. #308 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 13, 2009 - 1:46 PM

    Javed, you must join the weather channel! lol ;p

    We know where Canada is located (geographically). hehehe

  309. #309 by Shoaib on October 13, 2009 - 5:05 PM

    Javed Sahab,

    Thanks for your comments over Canadian winter weather, hows your summer period and for how long summer time is in canada? if you dont mind asking whats the name of your home city in canada. I heard that canada stays extremly cold in winter and vice versa in summer. least you would have proper summer. I hate british weather, you can have 4 seasons in one day and i experienced it too. it’s just rubbish. summer is not proper summer, just few good summer days or weeks and thats it. winter is not proper winter, one day its extremely cold and next day would be mild. I have both heater and fan in my lounge pluuged in ready to use. I have had enough of this country, i am thinking to move out, may be Dubai may be something else, i dunno.

  310. #310 by Shoaib on October 13, 2009 - 5:12 PM

    sorry i clicked enter and its gone :D………i dunno may be Dubai or may be somewhere else………i also don’t like the houses in UK, too small, hate it, million pound house would have more rooms than the quarter of a million house but still they would have may be couple od reasonable size rooms and rest of would be like bloody small store room size bedrooms 😀

    any idea which country would be better to move in next 3 years time. comments…..

  311. #311 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 13, 2009 - 8:43 PM

    Shoaib

    Right now Sweetie has labeled me as a “weatherman” and if I answer your questions she might change the label to “real-estate man” and I thought you know that I am in Montreal, anyways, now you know. Over here we have July and we have winter. Some people say, we have 4 seasons here viz., winter, more winter, severe winter and construction. I hate construction of roads, buildings, bridges and traffic jams, I have experienced enough of it in the UAE and there its a never-ending business and here it is a big mafia, they do patch-work to make more money and the pot holes are eternal. The City is beautiful but the roads are awful.

    As regards giving you a suggestion on where to live? Frankly speaking I dunno what your needs and requirements are so, its hard for me to suggest or name any country where you would like to live comfortably. Home is where your heart is. But, Dubai is definitely NOT a country or a city to settle down. I have spent two decades of my life there and that was nice time, now its not the same, its a very artificial country where everything is artificial and phony. I don’t like it anymore, I simply miss my friends that’s all.

    Ps.

    Sweetie
    At least the weatherman made your day…………………………… hehehe tou kiya tum nay! 😀

  312. #312 by Shoaib on October 14, 2009 - 12:21 AM

    Once again Thanks Javed Sahab.

    Javed Sahab I am a professional Cost Management Accountant, now doing ACCA and getting work experience from UK, I am planning for max. 3 more years here, I hope i would complete my degree and would have carried enough experience with me by the end of 2012. So after watching some live action of London Olympics, i will be ready to say goodbye to this country. I dunno some people say that UAE gives so much respect to an accountant with red passpot (typical inferior complexity of eastern world) and people say living standards are not bad there.

    Javed bhai my requirement is not complex. I am gonna go somewhere where i can have a modern lifestyle ( open fresh air, no terrorism attacks, tropical weather would be nice, big enough house where you can relax and not feel like Pakistani style chickens in cage) i just want where i can earn good money from my profession and my wife can have some rest, she has done enough work now its her time to have rest after 2012. I mean i want the place where i can earn enough money so i can meet expenses comfortably without being wife working etc.

    Im sorry if i am bothering you Javed Sahab.

    Thanks and goodnight
    Shoaib

  313. #313 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 14, 2009 - 12:21 PM

    Shoaib

    Awas is a CA and has been living in London for years, he might be able to give you some insight. I am a former banker I had some good time and good lifestyle in Dubai. Although, Dubai is the best place in the entire Middle East, but I don’t like that environment anymore. And, it is a wrong perception that they (all Arab countries) respect the colour of the passport, NO they look at the colour of your skin first and then the colour of your passport. They are openly biased whereas others are candid.

    Except for the weather I am happy here. The kinda lifestyle and weather you are looking for probably you will find it in the western USA. For that you have to be rich. Every place has its own plus and minuses. I know a lot of people who have talked so much good about Malaysia and Philippines for luxurious lifestyle without being terribly rich but, I haven’t been there so I am not the right person to comment. I like Turkey due to various personal reasons and I have been there 4 times, twice for work and twice for vacation. I prefer staying at Istanbul and visiting other cities for a few days like Izmir, Mersin etc., but, not Ankara it is dull and boring.

    What one always needs in the end is friends where you feel “Upnaiyat” and that is hard to find after a certain age. Therefore, wherever you are settled it is hard to leave that place and go to a new one.

  314. #314 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on October 14, 2009 - 1:40 PM

    Javed, today’s forecast please! lol

  315. #315 by Shoaib on October 14, 2009 - 4:36 PM

    Thanks Javed Sahab,

    I left all my friends back in Pakistan, no worries Javed sahab i am used to have less Upnaiyat since 7 years anyway. So i wouldnt feel much pain to leave this country. I am basically a social, Peppy and Bubbly kinda person. I like it with full of apnaiyet and colours and i left that life many years back in Lahore, Pakistan.

    Now situation is: no friends, no relatives, all time over cast weather, when wife is home i am at work when she is at work i am at home, just like now. anyway leave this topic Javed bhai, dil dukhna shroo ho jata hey……. aur sunaye jee!! 😀

  316. #316 by khansahab on October 14, 2009 - 6:38 PM

    Shoaib

    I hope you can have some Upnayiat on this blog. We had Abdul, Viseem Sakab on the blog who were also from Lahore. Awas is also from Lahore, now he can’t say he is the only Punjabi here 🙂

    We are all Pakastanees at the end of the day, so it does not matter who is from where.

  317. #317 by Shoaib on October 14, 2009 - 9:15 PM

    Thanks Khan Sahab,

    I am getting so much apnaiyat here 🙂 thats why there is not a single day i miss to visit you guys here 🙂 Thanks for your kind words, and yes very correct we all are Pakistanees and we are united. I like the way you spell Pakistanees and thats how it should be spelled by Goraaaas 🙂

    Awas Bhai May Allah bless you with punjabi kurta and Kameez 😀 where you from Lahore? proper Lahori or Defence model Town kinda Lahori. 😀

  318. #318 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 15, 2009 - 5:10 PM

    Sweetie

    Today’s forecast is: Muneer aaj bijlee ki terha chumkay gaa aur baadal ki terha gurjay gaa aur balai ilaqaon may phir bhee baarish nahee hogi, sirf gurj – chamak hogi 😀 Aur kuch?

    Shoaib,

    There is always a time in your life when you want to have some Upnaiyat and by that I never meant any particular race or sect, but your friends, whoever and wherever they may be from and the longer you know them the better Upnaiyat you get. Making new friends is easy but it is not the same as old friends. It takes time to know people. Anyways, on this blog we discuss a lot of things aur cricket tou ek bahana hai …….. 😉

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