2 DOMINATING DECADES BY TENDULKAR

The Living Legend

The Living Legend

When you look into the dictionaries to find the meaning of a legend, it leads you to historical stories based on facts or fiction but, the legend we want to discuss here is a person of extraordinary accomplishment.  And, this is a verisimilitude legend – which means it is a living legend, a true and real person and the stories of this legend is not a myth but, based on facts and happenings where this small boy called Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar arises from a humble background in Mumbai and transforms himself into a legend.

For those who are not aware I would like to mention here that Ramesh Tendulkar was a Marathi novelists and he named his son Sachin after he was inspired by the famous music director Sachin Dev Burman or S. D. Burman for short.

Tendulkar The Little Maestro

Tendulkar The Little Maestro

When we talk about Sachin we talk about cricket, and records in general and, his records are unmatchable and can be considered a microcosm of a society, and a painless path towards introducing cultural attitudes and natural colour into a campaign which is endless and nonparallel to any sport.

When I read about the legendary Jesse Owens and his records, I feel so much pain in visualizing how much pain Jesse Owens must have gone through when he created a world record in the Berlin Olympics in 1936, Hitler did not shake hands with him.  His own country’s President Franklin Roosevelt did not even invite him to the White House or even met him anywhere.  His personal life was full of misery because he did not have the money to live a decent life, he even worked as an attendant at a gas station! His record was broken in 1984 by Carl Lewis 4 years after Jesse Owens died.

Back to Sachin and his two decades of domination, I would like to admit that I have been one of the critics who criticized his accomplishments and that was not for the sake of criticism or,  as a matter of jealousy that I am a Pakistani and he is an Indian.

NO, I have always been very vocal and straightforward in my comments and I never hesitate to call a spade, a spade.  I have criticized, Imran Khan, Inzamamul Haq, Shahid Afridi etc. even though I like their game yet when they made mistakes I never tried to sugarcoat my words.

Hence my criticism towards Tendulkar was not for his game but, it was based on the follies and mistakes he made as a player (He is not perfect and he is NOT a god) and we all make mistakes.  I wanted him to play with more aggression and less fear and with no concern about his personal accomplishments or milestones. But, Sachin was and still is a reluctant player when he approaches a milestone.

For his constant struggling in achieving milestones, I have something very special for him to say and he must remember that success, target or to reach a milestone is like a butterfly:butterfly
The more you chase it,
The more it will elude you,
But when you turn your mind to other things,
It comes and sits softly on your shoulder

Sachin Tendulkar’s records speaks in volumes, there is no one near him especially in the ODI format, the only player who can come closer to him in test is Ricky Ponting.

Tendulkar, is generally very calm and composed even in very tough situations except for once i.e., in Multan when he was on 194 and the declaration came. I guess it was Ganguly’s deliberate ruse to keep Tendulkar away from achieving yet another milestone because,  it was Ganguly who signalled the declaration before stand-in captain Rahul Dravid and waved to Tendulkar to return to the pavilion.

Addressing the media after the day’s play, a livid Tendulkar said: “I was disappointed at not being able to achieve the milestone after coming so close.  I was aware that the declaration was on the cards, but I was taken by surprise and the timing.  I thought maybe another two-three overs more would have been enough. “ He did not come to the field next day and told the media he is nursing his injured ankle.

Javed Miandad who expressed similar feelings when Imran Khan declared the innings which halted Miandad from scoring a 300, told Sachin Tendulkar: “Don’t worry, Sachin, it is a part of life. Mistakes happen and your team mates have made a mistake,”

During the last few weeks in the previous thread we have discussed at length in determining who is the best Tendulkar or Lara? This is something very difficult to say who is the best. It is absolutely impossible to say who is the best? But, we always discuss this point and expect everyone to reach an agreement and say with one voice that so and so is the BEST or PERFECT.

This is because of our fractured psyche that we never understand the oneness and uniqueness of God, who is the best and perfect and there is no one comparable unto Him.  All other human beings and living creatures can be better than others in someway and, not better than others in other ways.

So, we should not try to compare the uniqueness of God’s creatures either.  No two fingers are similar but each one of them is as important and as unique as the other.

Having said all this I would like to devote this thread to Sachin Tendulkar for his legendary accomplishments and unmatched records and, for creating a batting culture in India, as every boy wants to be a Sachin Tendulkar. But, legends are not born everyday.  Ask Tendulkar how he feels about cricket?

he was a 3 year old little boy holding that wooden spatula like cricket bat in his hand with so much joy and happiness

he was a 3 year old little boy holding that wooden spatula like cricket bat in his hand with so much joy and happiness

His passion for the game since he was a 3 year old little boy holding that wooden spatula like cricket bat in his hand with so much joy and happiness, could anyone at that time had thought that this little boy will be setting up so many world records and making one billion plus people proud?

Sachin you have accomplished a lot in your life, may be at times you may have had dreams for being a little taller or, your voice may have been like Amitabh Bachan, which is not possible.  But, there is something more that you need to accomplish and only time will tell you when you will be a glowing light and a shining example for the rest of the cricketing world.

All the best to you Sachin Tendulkar.

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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 16, 2009 - 8:47 PM

    Hello everyone!

    Please post your comments here on this thread and express your feelings about Tendulkar, although a lot has already been said on the previous thread but, this is a dedicated thread to the batting genius, the little master and maestro of cricket Sachin Tendulkar.

  2. #2 by khansahab on November 16, 2009 - 9:01 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Despite not liking Tendulkar’s style, you have shown you are not less than a maestro yourself by composing this thread which is full of praises for the Little Master, who was born to bat.

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 16, 2009 - 9:11 PM

    khansahab

    I never said, I disliked Tendulkar’s batting or his batting style. I have always insisted that at times he play for his records more than for his team and for that I have given him the example of a BUTTERFLY in that thread and I hope he reads that or someone tells him about that. And for your info., not only me but, Kapil Dev has also expressed similar feelings which Omer and I have been raving and ranting since a long time.

    I think if Tendulkar can play an innings like he played against Australia in Hyderabad without keeping that milestone block on his mind, he can definitely demolish all records and that will not be just for him but for his team and the country.

    Although little time is left in his cricketing career but, he says “I have a lot of cricketing career left in me.” So, lets see. I think he will not retire before the 2011 WC unless something drastic happens to him physically.

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 16, 2009 - 9:35 PM

    LOOK at the BABY Tendulkar picture. I have seen it for a few times, spent a few minutes, perhaps more time than any other cricket player’s picture I have seen. The first thing that strikes me is, the gleeful face of a bubbly, chubby, long haired baby wearing a spotty swimming trunk. But, that is not all, what I really see in that photo is, his batting stance, the perfect balance, just look at the left foot slightly forward and angular and the left one a little behind – ready to shuffle – and then the way he is holding the bat with his left hand grip at the bottom of the bat handle and his head in perfect position to face the bowling.

    I don’t think Ramesh Tendulkar may have taught his son how to hold a cricket bat or how to stand like a matured cricketer i.e., just when you are asking your son to pose for a photo, it is not a pose, it is just a quick shot and it seems to be very natural and spontaneous photo. Hence it proves that Tendulkar must have been very observant from his childhood and that is a God gifted talent.

    I suggest ALL to look at that picture again and tell me if I am wrong?

  5. #5 by khansahab on November 16, 2009 - 10:25 PM

    Omer

    What you have said in comment no 4 has captured my imagination and cast a spell on me. If you were Abdul I would have accused you of stealing that from somewhere.

    I would very politely and respectfully state that Tendulkar has created magic on the field too by playing the most impossible shots off impossible balls. But, this is something that goes without saying and something we have discussed many times.

    Also, Omer, Tendulkar has also cast a spell on many non-Indians. He is the most admired cricketer in the world. Do you not agree? I know Indians will always perceive him as godly or whatever, because he is an Indian icon at the end of the day, but he is easily the most revered cricket of the modern era.

  6. #6 by khansahab on November 16, 2009 - 11:39 PM

    Sachin Tendulkar upsets right-wing Hindus

    MUMBAI: Indian cricket legend Sachin Tendulkar on Monday found himself at the centre of a political storm after comments he made about his identity upset a hardline regional Hindu party.

    The 36-year-old batsman, who at the weekend marked 20 years in Test cricket, said in interviews with television channels that he was an ‘extremely proud’ Maharashtrian, referring to his home state of which Mumbai is the capital.

    ‘But I am an Indian first. And Mumbai belongs to all Indians,’ he added.

    His declaration — in a country where regional identity is still fiercely guarded — provoked the ire of the founder of far-right Shiv Sena party.

    ‘Your statement that Mumbai belongs to all India has hurt each Maharashtrian’s heart,’ wrote founder Bal Thackeray in the local Marathi-language newspaper Saamna.

    The hardline Hindu nationalist party has been a self-styled promoter of ‘Maharashtrian pride’ for nearly four decades, championing the rights of local people over ‘outsiders’, often with violence.

    His party was instrumental in changing the name of Bombay to Mumbai in the mid-1990s.

    The Sena lost to the ruling Congress party and its allies in last month’s state elections.

    Sena offshoot the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS), run by Thackeray’s nephew Raj Thackeray, has also taken up the ‘Maharashtra for Maharashtrians’cause.

    Last week, MNS deputies attacked a fellow lawmaker in the state assembly who wanted to take the oath of office in Hindi, one of the many official languages of India, rather than Marathi.

    Indian cricket’s governing body, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), on Monday reacted strongly to the row involving Tendulkar, who is seen as one of Mumbai’s greatest sons and is revered like a god by millions.

    ‘These comments are completely uncalled for. Tendulkar is a nationalist. He was born in India, he is for India. If somebody calls himself an Indian first, is it a crime?’ said BCCI spokesman Rajiv Shukla.

    Tendulkar, the world’s most successful Test and one-day batsman, is playing his 160th Test match against Sri Lanka, after making his debut as a 16-year-old on November 15, 1989 against Pakistan in Karachi.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 17, 2009 - 12:40 AM

    newguy

    You don’t have to thank me for writing a thread on Tendulkar, because I have said this before so many times that I write what I feel is right and I am very outspoken and even blunt at times and this may not be a good quality because sometimes you hurt people with words. Do you remember I wrote a few days ago about a person who said he never believe in holy words and holy books because they are simply words and the man who heard him saying said a few bad words and this person got upset and wanted to beat him up, then the man said,”why are you getting so upset? After all these are just words!”

    One thing I wanted to mention again but with a little more detail is: I think you have understood Omer’s and my point of view about Tendulkar after reading Kapil Dev’s interview about Sachin Tendulkar. The thing is you are not the only person to think or change opinions like that most of us are like that. Let me elaborate my point with a real life example, but this does not mean you are like that.

    During my corporate career the organization I used to work was a big one and we used to have a lot of meetings and conferences. And in the annual conferences we had 500-600 people under one roof from all over the world. Apart from the top brass, managers and achievers were invited. Generally the senior executives and regional heads used to give lectures on corporate ethics, ethos and culture.

    Most people used to pay attention to what these big shots were saying – even if it didn’t make any sense – they still used to listen to them very carefully because, they had labeled them as important. And, those who come from the same region would pay 500 times more attention than others when their boss or their regional head is speaking. They used to make notes or even record them on tapes so that when they meet again in their regional meetings, they could say (to butter up the poss or to suck up to him) Sir – I was very impressed by the point that you made in the conference and they used to quote his lines ……….. Obviously the Boss’s ego used to inflate @ 10 lbs. per second. 😀

    Au contraire, when someone less important or, a young high flier like me, when I am giving my speeh, even if I am making more sense than the old man who was talking before me, people won’t pay much attention and they are distracted by the trivialities like asking other people, who is this man? Where is he from? Is he a hotshot or, so and so’s favourite? But, they were not listening to what I was talking about.

    After I have finished talking when the CEO started quoting my words and my phrases and praising me for making some very important, useful and meaningful points, the same people then start asking, what was that he said? Oh, the CEO is quoting his words, then he must have said something important! And, after the conference or during the break they would come to me and ask me, do you have copy of your speech? No, sorry I did not write any speech it was just OTT and I don’t even remember what I said.

    Like I said, this small incident that I have narrated above is not for you, it is just an example that we all have these personal belief system. By belief system I don’t mean religious belief but the belief system that is made up of our habits, preconceptions, biases, assumptions and expectations. Most of us may not even recognizes that we even have a belief system like that and we even fail to realize how vast a range it encompasses and secondly, how great an influence it has on our actions. May be more laterzzz

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 17, 2009 - 3:54 AM

    newguy

    I understand your point, you have made it more clear now. I guess you are right in saying that it may or may not be a weakness on part of Tendulkar but, the reason he chose a more sedate approach later on in his career was to stay in the limelight for obvious reasons, fame & wealth and, not to deny the fact that he loved playing cricket. He who says he doesn’t like fame & praise is lying, he is lying only to hear it again. 😀

    And, in terms of money there is no denial that he get millions of dollars through sponsorship which is legal and justifiable. Since he has no problem with money he is no Wasim Akram or Saleem Malik to fix matches. Coming from a humble background, it makes a big difference to him and his family to be living a luxurious life. A decade ago he bought a house in Bandra for 30 crore rupees, now it must have increased in value by ten folds or may be more.

    Anyways, like Kapil says “whatever cricket is left in him” he should play his heart out and destroy the opposition and not care about the butterfly 😉 It will eventually come to him.

  9. #9 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 17, 2009 - 4:02 AM

    khansahab

    People like Bal Thackeray or his party Shiv Sena are the real problems for India. They are the ones who have ruined the relationships between the two countries and they are the ones who create ill feelings between the Hindus and the Muslims. I really don’t know what kinda kick they get out of this? It is so stupid of them to humiliate Tendulkar for saying, he is an Indian first and then a Maharashtran. What is wrong in it?

    Bal Thackeray when he cannot find anything to say against Muslims or Pakistan, he picks up something silly like this statement against Tendulkar.

    After the Mumbai Blasts in the ’90s I was watching Bal Thackeray speaking on BBC TV, he said: ” I want to tell all the Muslims in India, they should go to Pakistan or, else we will send them to Khabrastan (graveyard)” He has the audacity and the cheek to say such things on TV and still get away without being punished.

  10. #10 by newguy on November 17, 2009 - 4:22 AM

    Omer,

    Viv Richards was a great player, I liked his style, his presence. Everything with him was majestic. The way he will stroll on to the crease, chewing gum, then he will take guard, he had the sort of lazy arrogance and most bowlers never dared to confront him one on one, he was a powerful hitter of the ball, and he destroyed bowling attacks like no one else did. He never wore a helmet, just that maroon cap, and he will hook if a bouncer is bowled at him.

    He had the gladiatorial qualities that bowlers feared, when Richards was out the entire opposition will be relaxed.

    So when I say I liked him it is in the sense that he looked so invincible at the crease, and he was almost unlike any other player I have seen, almost superhuman.

    I think Tendulkar is a better player than him, Tendulkar has more talents, although not the raw power and personality of Richards, but Tendulkar did not play except a few innings with his true destructive capabilities, I mentioned the match in NZ where he opened for the first time in ODI’s and made 82 off 49 balls, this is how he should have played all along. But then who knows, it is not possible, Shahid Afridi tries to play like that every time, and we know his average is not good because of this, if Afridi plays more sedate then his average will be better.

  11. #11 by newguy on November 17, 2009 - 4:30 AM

    Javed Khan,

    People like Bal Thackeray exists because there are people to support him, in India every fringe politician or goon has his followers. They thrive on by creating fear and anger among their followers. The origin of most of these organizations, if we can call it that, at one point may have been to fight some social injustice, then they fall into the usual hate filled ideology. One thing that keeps the communal balance in India is though that for every Shiv Sena there is also a Jamaat-e-islami countering it’s force, so in a twisted way these warring groups keep each other at arms length. But occasionally it could get out of control and innocents suffer.

  12. #12 by newguy on November 17, 2009 - 4:42 AM

    No double for Dravid, he is out without adding a run to his overnight score, UWMBCA Waeegedera ended his innings in the 3rd over of the day. I guess another day and early on lapse in concentration did him in. ZK and Bhajji are having some fund, but if India cannot make close to 500 then does not look like good situation for them in terms of winning. Now 500 looks not possible.

  13. #13 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 17, 2009 - 12:30 PM

    wot a shame, Dravid got out on the same overnight score and now SL are well settled with DMPD Jayawardene and Samarweera. At the end of the third day we will get some idea as to where this match is heading towards?

    I was reading an interesting humourous article on Pakistan cricket team by Imran Yousuf a writer from Karachi, he picked up all the negative points and narrated them in a funny way. He was targeting not only Salman’s Butt, but his fielding too. Also, about Mohammad Yousuf’s plans to keep the team united under the religious umbrella like trusting in God and leaving your camel loose.

  14. #14 by funny commentary on November 17, 2009 - 1:04 PM

    I live in UAE for 2 years but I never seen a rain.

    Jayasuriya wants a room, but Najaf is not giving him a room.

  15. #15 by khansahab on November 17, 2009 - 8:10 PM

    Omer

    The best thing that happened to Malik career wise, apart from his good run as a no 3 ODI batsman, was him announcing his Punjabiism on Nadia Khan Show. You remember that don’t you? It increased his fan following manifold.

  16. #16 by khansahab on November 17, 2009 - 11:13 PM

    NZ haven’t got a great pace attack, but if that ball is swinging then Bond and Mills can create some problems for the Pakistani openers.

    Pakistan will have to rely very heavily on their bowling if they want to win this Test series. It will be tough unless the pitches help them. Pakistani batsmen have traditionally performed commendably against NZ, but firstly the standard of Pakistani batting has deteriorated and secondly, NZ has somewhat improved as a team. So if conditions suit them, the bowlers can do a lot of damage. No one in this Pakistani line up has shown decent skill at playing the seaming ball, Fawad Alam did when he made his century but it is still early days for him. Rest assured the main batsman is Yousuf and the onus is definitely on him to pile on the runs- he will be tested though.

    After the NZ series Pakistan will go to Australia where they will be annihilated- no doubt about that. A second string Test team of Australia will destroy Pakistan.

  17. #17 by khansahab on November 17, 2009 - 11:45 PM

    Omer

    That Nadia Khan Show was the one where he said with a smirk and arrogant body language that he has Punjabi blood running in his veins and that he is a proud Punjabi.

  18. #18 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 18, 2009 - 12:16 AM

    khansahab

    that is the difference between a class player and a mediocre player, tendulkar said, he is Indian first and Maharashtran second. Whereas Malik said, he has Punjabi blood running in his veins and that he is a proud Punjabi. He plays for Sialkot, he is a Punjabi and Pakistan has nothing to do with him. Then why is he playing for Pakistan? Especially with that pathetic form and average! He should go where he belongs!

  19. #19 by Pawan on November 18, 2009 - 4:42 AM

    Guys,

    I dunno where that Tendulkar Lara debate ended. But nice thread this one Javed. Tendulkar deserves all the applause and more so now that he has made the right choice of beign an Indian first. Vote bank politics will never prosper, some or the otehr day people will realize that we are all humans after all and there should never be any segregartion based on relegion, caste, country, race. Anyway thats a thought and discussion for some other day.

    Here I wanna ask you guys what you think about comparison between a bowler and a batsman, especially in todays cricketing times. I think bowlers have greatly suffered due to the T20 format. They are literally taken to the cleaners. This is affecting their bowling skills. I was watching India-Sri Lanka match and I suddenly realized that the bowling has goen from bad to worse. Even a bowler like Murali is facing problems. To be fair, there is not a single bowler in the world right now who will evoke fear in the minds of the batsman! This is something really pathetic. Where are all the Wasims and Waqars and Akhtars and Warnes?

    Sadly the game of cricket has become very much batsman-centric. Nowadays teams look for keeper who can bat. With a keeper who can bat, why not have an extra bowler instead of carrying 7 batsman and 4 bowlers in a test match? Alright, Australia at one point of time used this 7-4 policy, but then they had McGrath and Warne.

    India has always been left high and dry in the fast bowling department, but never were they having so much issues in the spin department. Sadly Harbhajan is not the same in test anymore. There is a definite effect of T20 on his bowling. Bowlers in general I have observed have developed a defense mindset nowadays thanks to T20.

    Pakistan used to produce great quality fast bowlers, I don’t see a single one right now to whom a batsman can fear. Same is the case with Australia.

    So my point is rather than having more Tendulkars, right now the world needs more Warnes and McGraths!

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 18, 2009 - 4:53 AM

    Pawan

    It is good to see you back on the blog and writing. On the subject of “the declining bowlers” I agree with you that to a certain extent it is the Twenty20 effect and that is compounded by the pitches that are being prepared these days.

    Test matches used to produce good bowlers because of time, patience and pitches. The introduction of a shorter version of 60 overs and then 50 overs game followed by T20 has definitely revolutionized the game of cricket. The scores that were never dreamt of in the shortest number of balls are made almost everyday. In 2004 when India Pakistan played an ODI in Karachi which India won by 4-5 runs margin, (349 and 345 runs) that was the match with highest number of runs scored in one day from both sides. Very soon after that, SA and Australia changed the equation by scoring 440 plus runs each team.

    The reason Murali is ineffective is, like newguy said, he is perhaps too old to give a quick jerk to his doosra, which requires strength in your elbow and he is unable to do that effectively. Also, it is possible that other batsmen are able to read his doosra like they read googly and the pitches also are not favourable to spin bowling. So, all these things combined together is having an impact on the game.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 18, 2009 - 5:05 AM

    THE IPL HOOPLA IS ON AGAIN AND THE PAKISTANIS ARE READY TO DANCE WITH THE CHEER LEADERS.

    Pakistani players are on the verge of finalizing their paperwork to play in India for the next year’s IPL. I am sure they are pretty excited not just for the game but for the Moolah they make. However, my concern is about the security of these players.

    The Mumbai trial is not over yet, the scars of that attack last November are still there and the bilateral relations between the two countries are still not very amiable. The religious leaders like Bal Thackeray have snubbed even their own son of the soil, Tendulkar and asked him to shut up.

    How is he going to take that issue about Pakistani players playing in India? And how will the security of India will protect the Pakistani players when they can’t protect their own? IF the head of ATS Hemant Karkare was killed during the Mumbai attack, if there is a terrorist attack like it happened in Lahore during the Sri Lanka team visit, who will protect them? And who will take that responsibility?

    Especially IF someone like, Rangilay Dil Phaink Asaf goes high on charas and lands up in a night club after midnight and is discovered from a near by nala the next morning? I hope nothing like this happens but, the question is WHAT IF????? And, who will be responsible for that? The Pakistanis for sending them for IPL? Or, the Indians for not protecting them? Is there any guarantee? I don’t think so.

  22. #22 by newguy on November 18, 2009 - 12:41 PM

    Javed,

    I think it’s mostly the Moolah that all IPL players are worried about, a very less about the game, this was evident from the quality of their T20 game in Champions League. If you think about it there is no selection committee in IPL, players are bought primarily based on the impressions they have made in their national team or regional teams, but after they come over to IPL they don’t necessarily perform the same. Even when they do, it is because the overall standard is diluted. IPL is all about making money and power, and it is killing quality of Cricket in India, Cricket in India will go to money and power based setup and mush less about quality players and so on, there will always be a market for Indian players because of local interest and the restrictions on foreign players.

    Regarding security of Pakistani players, even though nothing can be guaranteed, historically groups like Shiv Sena issues threats but seldom acts on it, in fact they have issued threats about not letting Pakistan team play in India before when they toured, but security was given to the players and it was ensured that nothing happened, but Hindu extremist groups have never done anything to foreign nationals. But of course things can change anytime, before the attack on Sri Lankan cricketers, it was still only a theory that someone could attack cricketers, no one really thought it will happen, and one day that happened. So, in that aspect, players and the respective authorities have to think about how to handle the situation. I am sure IPL bosses will provide security, but it is a question of whether Pakistan cricket board and government should let the players go, and of course for the players themselves to decide.

  23. #23 by newguy on November 18, 2009 - 12:52 PM

    SL is grinding down Indian bowling on a pitch that offers very little. A double from Mahela, just showed the Indian batsmen how to bat on this kind of pitch, this is the sort of pitch that once you get in you don’t get out without making a huge impact. Indian batsmen except Rahul Dravid scored below par, even Dhoni and Youvraj, but then I said it after first day looking at how these two played the pitch looked like a sleeping beauty. Youvraj an Dhoni are not the type who can bat on a true Test pitch against true Test bowling attack. But credit to Sri Lankans on how they applied, especially Mahela, I knew he will go on big when I saw he was on 67 when I went to bed.

    Mahela could even go on for a 300 tomorrow, he is that sort of player. India has their task cut out in second innings. Bat out long and bat big, a few quick wickets up front and they are staring down at going 1-0, but given then past in Test matches they should be able to bat out and save the game.

    I don’t see how Test cricket can have any future if pitches like this are made. There should be criteria that if pitches do not offer anything to the bowlers then the curator will lose his job, otherwise they will keep creating pitches like this which is good only for batsmen to score centuries and double centuries and add to their record. What a shame.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 18, 2009 - 2:50 PM

    Like I said before that by the end of the 3rd day we will know which side the match is heading for? It is an obvious draw and from now there is no interest in the game. Yes, Maleha might go for his 300 now. Although CBN is showing this match live and I saw it for a few minutes and then got bored. And, it is sad to see that even in India, in a place like Ahmedabad, the stadium was looking empty. It wasn’t totally empty but, by Indian standards it was empty.

    Regarding the IPL, no one will provide guarantees but, if you leave it to the players all of them would like to go. Because, the money is big and they are all greedy gamblers and will take chances for their lives.

    Within two days it will be clear whether the government of Pakistan will allow them or not?

    Pakistan started their tour match today against NZ and Danish Kaneria has given 125 runs in 29 overs and took 2 wickets, that is pathetic. Asif got two tail-enders wickets for 60 runs. Yasir Arafat and Asad Rauf are playing. This test team looks very weak to me.

  25. #25 by Maza786 on November 18, 2009 - 4:56 PM

    As always an axcellent write up !! Tendulkur was a pure genius when it came to batting as Javed A Khan and Khansahab are at writing !!

  26. #26 by newguy on November 18, 2009 - 5:04 PM

    Javed,

    Asad Rauf is the ICC umpire from Pakistan, if I am not mistaken this fellow is Abdur Rauf, he took 4/43, but when looking up his profile it says he is 30 years of age. At first I thought this must be a young and promising bowler. Where was he all along, and why is he playing now?

    Asif is past his prime, it seems like his outside field activities and his time spent in the wilderness has taken a toll on his game, he doesn’t look very much interested these days.

    As for Kaneria, he used to be one of the most promising leggies and he seems to have losing his art too. Overall this is not a terrible bowling line up though, if these guys can get their act together and get some of their old days glory back. Batting will have to put up really good scores to win in NZ and bowlers need to put pressure.

    NZ plays well at home, players like Jesse Ryder and Ross Taylor scored heavily against India last time, but India managed to win the series because they bowled better and batted better. They could have won 2-0 had not rain washed away half a day of play in the final day of 3rd test with NZ 8 down.

    So NZ is somewhat beatable if Pakistan can put up a good batting show and follow up with bowling.

    Australia is a different deal though. This Pakistan team looks like the Indian teams that visited Australia in the 90s, like lambs for slaughter. One thing of relief for them will be that Australia is struggling with injuries, so it’s questionable whether they can put up a decent squad together.

  27. #27 by maza7865 on November 18, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    Good day for Pakistan today. Well bowled Talha.

  28. #28 by Shoaib on November 18, 2009 - 5:26 PM

    I have mentioned this before but let me engrave it yet again. The logic has been furnished in one of the posts was so peculiar that I couldn’t stop laughing after reading it. Razor was a product of Bronze Age. In Middle East Bronze Age was from 1100 to 1800 BC.

    The History shows that razor was being used frequently even before 800 BC to get rid of unwanted body hair. Muslims of early era had been using razors for the removal of underarms and other unwanted hair like any other common practice. On the occasion of first Hajj in Islam Prophet also shaved his head.
    Hence it is very clear that Razor wasn’t new for the early Muslims or even for the Christians times which was 500 years before Muslim era. It is also clear that razor was also not tricky to use in such epoch.

    In my early post I refused to comment any further just to stop folks chatting about religion without self-control. It has become a common practice among westernized liberal minded public to talk about Islam freely and ingenuously. I just wanted to avoid this situation but here we go again…
    Broadly speaking, writers of any field should use careful approach as they are the ones who can change people’s thought with the power of media.
    Let me explain what Sunnah is: Sunnah is not sitting on the camel and eating dates all day. Sunnah means ‘’ the way of life prescribed as normative in Islam, based on the teachings and practices of Muhammad (saw) and on exegesis of the Quran. Sunnah is not just the name of Prophet’s life style.
    This is the predicament of the people who are well educated in modern sciences and also have immaculate command over grammatical field of foreign languages that are so confident that they would add their own information in anything in anywhere.

    I am not concerned what people think of an individual cricketer or a group of them but my request is to refrain from commenting on Prophet or Islam anymore. How peculiar is that the writers are more careful writing about ‘’cricket gods’’ and how hasty they are writing about God’s Prophet.

    In the end I would simply insert that this post was not to impair someone’s belief and I would expect the same as a result. If this topic is not finished here and if someone again took the mick out of it then I would rather avoid visiting this blog……. Regards

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 18, 2009 - 10:35 PM

    Shoaib

    You are free to write, also free to stop writing on this blog. No one forces anyone, no one imposes their views on anyone here. We are very liberal in our way of thinking and in expressing our views, yet we value our religion as the most important thing in our life. If you do not agree with our views, you may try to make an argument within reason but, don’t let your emotions run high and say a few things that hurts others like you did in the past which were removed. (I hope you understand what I mean by that?)

    First of all, that comment from me which I often express in good humour on this blog, the last time I did that was months or may be years ago which I expressed about shaving gels, Gillette fusion razors with five blades etc., which khansahab has quoted recently, was once again in a very light humour.

    It is just like we all say on this blog “I am agree” which is grammatically incorrect and any reader who is not aware of the background may think we are so paindoo that we do grammatical blasphemies. But, we all know that Nawaz Sharif said this a few times in one of his interviews, which is a direct translation from Urdu, “Mai Muttafiq hoon – I am agree.” So, if you know the background you understand the joke or the point then you won’t take it that seriously.

    For your information we do have a religion page on this blog, if you have time, you can start reading it from day one or point # 1. and see how we have discussed religion on this blog. I would certainly not like to discuss it on cricket page, however if you have any point to raise on the subject, please post it there and I will reply.

    Secondly, we also know what is Sunnah and what is Farz but no one is an Alim here so no one can say with authority. But, as far as I know there is no concrete evidence in writing that Prophet shaved his head after his Hajj. There is one school of thought that says he did and the other says he didn’t. But, it is very clear that he did not object to those who did not shave their head after their Hajj.

    I am only touching this point here because of your taunt directed towards me, ” How peculiar is that the writers are more careful writing about ‘’cricket gods’’ and how hasty they are writing about God’s Prophet.” IF need be we can discuss it more in detail on the religion page so that those who are not interested in reading this subject can stick to the cricket page.

    For your information, if you have read this thread in haste or skimmed reading the points of this thread, you may look at it again that I have clearly written that Tendulkar is not a God although in India he is considered as a God but, he himself doesn’t like to be called a God. So, your taunt is a bit too much in making comparisons about our set of belief.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 18, 2009 - 10:48 PM

    newguy yes the same fellow Abdur Rauf, I don’t know why they bring him back along with Rana, Rao, Arafat and the likes? There is another mediocre bowler called Shahid Nazir and I remember PakSpin dedicated an entire thread on him after he took a few wickets in one of the matches and the caption was something like “Shahid Nazir the Unswing Hero” or Unsung Hero, whatever.

    All these bowlers are either 30 or 30 plus, so there is no point in investing time, money or energy in them. They should only focus on the young ones because fast bowlers cannot prevail long and I agree with you that Asif has past his prime, like Akhtar never materialized his potential, Asif is also in the same category in fact much less because Akhtar at times was more lethal because of his speed.

    As regards Danish Kaneria, he is a spent force now considering there is Ajmal and even Afridi’s bowling is so good these days he should reconsider his decision of playing test matches. The PCB must insist on him to play as per the central contract and he cannot just be choosy and picky. Besides, it is always the over all utility of a player that is considered and not just one aspect, unless you are Brain Lara, Sachin Tendulkar, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younus or Inzamamul Haq that you are automatically selected in the team because of your specialty and Danish Kaneria is not anywhere near in that category.

  31. #31 by Shoaib on November 19, 2009 - 1:27 AM

    Javed

    In my last post I never directed any of my sarcasm en route for you yet it always strikes you straight.

    First of all, let me rectify it here….this is never happened that my comments would have ever been removed here from LS. I remember once I wrote some funny comments for everyone, one of them was for you too like: kay ‘’aap ke photo aisee hey jaisey kisi ney aap key saamney Choosa hoa Chonsa Mango rekh dia ho or aap keh rahey hey k yeh kia Ch2So4 hay’’ I checked few hours later and my posts were not on the website and It gave me impression that management has blocked it and that’s how I ended up saying why my comments were being blocked, but this never happened and I didn’t hurt anyone nor i said anything harsh. Those comments were for fun.

    Grammar? I said it in common not as a taunt, as I consider you guys with very good English skills. I didn’t make a joke of anyone’s English and I would never do this to anyone. Kindly if you read it again I said ‘immaculate grammar skills’, which means perfect skills. so in terms of English I actually well-liked you guys. How come I can taunt you and can take this seriously?

    I know that you were joking about Gillette razors but I don’t think Khansahab was. If you still have doubts you can read khansab post again. Javed I can make a distinction between humour and seriousness.

    Regarding ‘’gods of cricket’’……If you analyze i said ‘writers’ in plural form how can it be directed towards you. I said this in general like all folks were so careful about cricket gods but…….in fact Javed this taunt was for Khansahab who gave ambiguous examples of Sunnah e.g. riding on the camel and eating dates all day etc.

    Kindly ignore my grammar or spelling mistakes as I am typing from my mobile half asleep lying in my bed.

    Javed I was just about to write Hazrat Javed Sahab and I stopped myself perhaps I would offend you again. I don’t know man now I am afraid to write anything here, yet I will reserve the writing rights to me other than thanks for reminding me my human right :)…… regards

  32. #32 by Shoaib on November 19, 2009 - 1:33 AM

    ……and one last thing man before i would pass out…. i said cricket gods…..if you check, this god is not with capital ‘G’ it completely changes the whole scenerio anyway take care Javed Bhai no hard feelings brav, chill man life is short and i am sleepy nitenite

  33. #33 by Shoaib on November 19, 2009 - 1:34 AM

    tomorrow is my birthday happy birthday to me 😀

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 19, 2009 - 2:07 AM

    Shoaib First of all “budhapa mubarak ho” every year we all get old and I wonder why people congratulate us? I tell all my family members not to do this to me because birthday celebrations are OK till you are 10 years old, after that its not worth and when you are a teen and you are in your twenties its like, who cares? But, after 35 its not worth reminding every year that you are getting old.

    OK about your comment. I do remember reading your comment that you made about ALL of us based on our appearances and you mentioned something about mangoes. But I am sure I never deleted it, may be it is still there on the blog and you can check it out. I was referring to your emotional comment that was in response to Varun’s comments, which was slightly censored.

    You said, your comment was not directed towards me but, towards khansahab, I believe you. Since it was very indirect and you used the word “writers” and I wrote this new thread on tendulkar so I thought that god comment was directed towards me. It is always better to address the person directly instead of beating around the bush. Agar vo taunt nahee thaa tou compliment bhee nahee tha!

    I have said this before many times and I am repeating it again. I don’t get upset by comments from people especially in the virtual world. Even in real life it is very hard for people to provoke me to make me angry. I am a very relaxed person and in my writings I don’t add smiley faces very often like Munir does or even you do. But, sometimes I do it for you guys to make you understand that its just a joke or a light comment in jest.

    By now you must be sleeping Ondha and snoring, it is 2:00 a.m. your time. Hope when you will wake up your wife would be reminding you how old you are! Take care and feel free to write on the religion page i.e., if you want to do some “tabadla-e-khyaal” and who says that we comment on Prophet? And, about discussing religion, it is always better to discuss and learn something from each other.

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 19, 2009 - 3:31 AM

    I was talking to a friend of mine on telephone a while ago and he was saying that India might lose this match if the lead is extended up to 350 runs. India will be under pressure and on the last day the wicket will crumble and Murali and Herath will get India out. Well, it seems like a possibility, but I don’t think the Indian top order will fail like they did in the first innings. So, I stand to my original prediction that the match will end in a draw.

  36. #36 by newguy on November 19, 2009 - 4:26 AM

    Javed,

    While anything is still possible in the test, more and more draw looks like the most probable outcome. HAPW Jawyawardane is also nearing a hundred now. Indian will fight tooth and nail, and whatever else in their body to draw this test, in NZ they were facing a mammoth total and had to bat out two days, everyone thought it would be impossible, but Gambhir batted for 10 hours, blocking mostly in the company of Dravid who is the WALL, and they batted out a whole day and then some more. I don’t see any crumbling in this pitch, unless it lands on this pitch from heavens on the 5th day magically. Stranger things have happened, but I am not holding my breath.

  37. #37 by Shoaib on November 19, 2009 - 5:09 AM

    Javed

    I wish i would be sleeping at this time but unfortunately i had just few hours to sleep and right now its 5:30 and i am sitting in the airport staff shuttle, just briefly……thanks Javed bhai for understanding, yaar aap sahih keh rahey hey i should address the person directly but yaar mujhey lagta hey k mey impolite ben jau gaa ager mey ney ‘YOU’ kaha to …..

    Thanks Javed for mubarakbaad, yaar i am still under 35 🙂 so i can celebrate . When i woke up my wife was still fast asleep, i felt a bit jealous 🙂 when i said my birthday is tomorrow it was already 12 past something so its still tomorrow on 20th.

    Ok Javed bhai got to go, regards…

  38. #38 by Shoaib on November 19, 2009 - 5:13 AM

    oh haa one last thing Javed bhai, i dont mind ager merey Varun waley comments censord ho gaye……cuz yaar basically he said nasty things about my charactar but i told him not to do it but still in the next post he wrote such thing then i couldnt control myself. but yeah i remember now my comments had been censored before… thanks for reminding…..have a good day

  39. #39 by maza7865 on November 19, 2009 - 11:56 AM

    What should Be The Team For The First Test VS NZ?

    ——————————————————————————–
    My preferred team would be :

    Butt
    Farhat
    Alam
    Yousuf
    Malik
    Iqbal
    Akmal
    Aamer
    Gul
    Ajmal
    Asif

    I’m missing Imran Nazir !

    Analysis

    Ajmal should be Pakistan’s premier spinner. He is attacking and always maintains pressure in the sense that he doesn’t leak runs easily and become predictable like Kaneria. Kaneria can produce some magical deliveries but doesn’t dominate and win enough matches. Actually most of his wickets come in vain circumstances. Ajmal will be threatening and economical.

    Asif was a huge prospect when he emerged on the scene in 2005/06 and good to see him back with the red cherry despite what he’s done in the past. He can extract amazing seam deviation of the pitch and produce some astonishing deliveries bowling in that “corridor of uncertainty channel”.

    But above all Pakistan must maintain the same opening pair for a sufficient period of time. Chopping and changing will never settle the players or team balance which is bound to result in inconsistency.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 19, 2009 - 12:37 PM

    newguy

    I watched the match and noticed that the pitch was helping the spinners. Mishra and even Sehwag turned the ball. So, I guess on the final day if SL spinners like Murali, Herath and even Dilshan can turn the ball and if SL place attacking field then things can go wrong for India.

    As usual in the morning because of the dew and moisture the fast bowlers will get swing and India needs to play the first one hour with caution especially facing UWMBCA who has so far taken 5 wickets in this match and Tendulkar must be praying that Mishra should play out that first one hour in the morning.

    Dravid should not have been out in the dying moments of the day, because he is ‘The Wall’ who can stay there for very long. Now, it is Tendulkar and Laxman’s responsibility to take up that role and see through the innings because, neither Dhoni nor Yuvraj have that quality to block it out, if they stay at one end, then Dhoni and Yuvraj can build up the lead which is still too far away. India is still trailing by 144 runs.

    Jayawardene must be cursing himself for not making 300 but, before lunch I saw him struggling against Mishra. At least on two occasions, I thought he was gone, once a plumb lbw that hit his right leg pad at shin level, between the middle and off stump, but cannot be given out because the ball pitched way outside the leg stump, that was a big turn. And Mishra was deliberately and constantly attacking from outside the leg stump hoping to get him from behind his legs.

    The second one also pitched very far outside the leg stump and Jayawardene covered his wicket well, stretched his left leg to deflect the ball with his pads, but was unable to touch the ball which came in very sharply and came into Dhoni’s gloves just an inch above the leg stump. That was a beauty, it was more like a zooter of Shane Warne. Even Sehwag’s last or second last ball before lunch turned a long way from outside the off stump. So, it seems like the spinners will have an edge on the last day!

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 19, 2009 - 12:47 PM

    Once again Fawad Alam top scored in this match in the first innings….. but, I don’t see any strength in this batting line up. You cannot rely on players like, Faisal Iqbal, Butt, Farhat, Latif, Malik, Umar Akmal in test matches to save the team from crisis like Inzamam, Younus and Yousuf used to do. Now, Yousuf is not in good form but, I hope he comes well on the big occasion.

    The Pakistani bowling is pretty mediocre and ineffective. These bowlers cannot contain players like McCullum, Taylor, Guptil and Ryder on their home ground in every single innings, one of them will score big on those small grounds and for the Pakistanis the weather is still cold and they will drop the catches and rub their palms to show us that it is very cold out there. They should have been sent to the North Pole for two weeks for acclimatization before going to NZ, then instead of wearing two sweaters they would have been playing in T-shirts. 😀

  42. #42 by newguy on November 19, 2009 - 1:35 PM

    Javed,

    What you are saying about the pitch sounds ominous for India, if the ball starts turning and if they place attacking fields and if they lose one or two quick wickets then they will be in trouble for sure. First thing to do it get the first session of the morning without losing any wicket or at the most just one wicket, if they lose more than one wicket in the 1st session then they are in trouble. Tendulkar is suspect early on in the innings and especially if he has to come in the 1st hour. It’s a good thing he chose nightwatchman to go for him, hopefully Mishra can play a few shots in the morning then it will be a bonus.

    Credit should be given to Sri Lankan’s to turn the match around after losing the toss, and making India play under pressure on last day. Indians did not apply well, their poor attitude from ODIs continue. Dhoni does not seem to have any imagination left. But it may be unfair to criticize him yet, since they haven’t lost the match. Let’s see what happens tomorrow and the rest of the series.

  43. #43 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 19, 2009 - 5:07 PM

    newguy

    that’s what I said: “Tendulkar must be praying that Mishra should play out that first one hour in the morning.”

    Yes, India can play spin better than other teams for obvious reasons, but playing under pressure is different from playing in general. I remember India crumbling under pressure a few times. One of them I remember clearly is, in 2005 Bangalore test on the last day India lost the match by 168 runs in which Younus Khan scored 267 and Sehwag scored 201, it was Inzamam’s 100th test and he scored 184.

    But, on the last day the spinners did the job for Pakistan. Afridi took 3 crucial wickets of Tendulkar, Laxman and Ganguly. The two other spinners who took 2 wickets each were Kaneria and Asad Khan.

    The best was Ganguly’s wicket, he was bowled by Afridi from behind his legs and the front umpire raised his finger but, Ganguly stood on the ground trying to show his foot to the square leg umpire that his foot never went out of the crease so he cannot be given out as stumped by the keeper. The square leg umpire nodded his head in affirmative and came running to fix the stumps (and must have told him how he was out) and then Ganguly started walking back in disbelief. The commentator was saying, someone should tell Ganguly to go and see the replay!

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 19, 2009 - 5:10 PM

    Its been a long time since Theossa and Mr. M. Y. Kasim has not commented on the blog. I hope they are OK?

    Varun, tum tou gaye, gaye russi (rope) bhee apnay sath lay gaye! 😀

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 19, 2009 - 8:58 PM

    Last night in one of my comments I mentioned that the weather in NZ is cold for the Pakistani players then they should have been sent to the North Pole for two weeks for acclimatization before going to NZ, that was just an exaggerated taunt because, the weather is definitely not that cold still the players from India Pakistan find it very cold. The point is not just the chill factor but, the cloud and damp weather may prevent them from playing their natural game, even if it was a shorter version of the game it was fine, but for them to play for 5 days under the cloud in damp weather, they won’t be scoring much.

    MISBAH’s fate is still hanging, its in pending because Ijaz has not moved his Butt yet, he is in London now and when he will come back, he will review Yousuf’s request and see what he has to do. In the mean time Younus has also made a public announcement that he is ready for the Australian tour. I don’t know how come he has regained his form so soon? Especially since he has not played a single domestic match since he came back from Dubai and after announcing his dramay bazi.

    If he is hoping that he will be captaining the Pakistan side in Australia then he is day dreaming and IF the PCB appoints him as a captain then they are really nuts to do that. It is too early to talk about Yousuf’s form but, all eyes are focused on his performance in NZ and if he fails, he is gone with the wind.

  46. #46 by khansahab on November 19, 2009 - 11:01 PM

    Alam shows glimpse of class for painstaking Pakistan NZPA

    A rising Pakistani batting star made his mark before next week’s test series against New Zealand in the tour opener at Queenstown today, but rival opener Craig Cumming’s hopes of a recall dimmed with a second failure for an Invitation 11.

    Fawad Alam showed the right temperament and application to suggest he in already in nick for the first test starting at Dunedin’s University Oval on Tuesday.

    Alam, who made 168 on debut against Sri Lanka in July, topscored with 77 on the second day of the three-day game as Pakistan overhauled the home side’s 234 by compiling 286 on a pitch that continues to encourage the quicks with bounce and carry.

  47. #47 by khansahab on November 19, 2009 - 11:35 PM

    Omer

    Mohali is India’s only seaming track, and England and New Zealand of course feature seaming pitches:

    Gutsy Gambhir holds India’s fortunes

    Virender Sehwag’s frustrating dismissal had sent blood pressure levels soaring, the Sri Lankan spinners – backed by a huge first-innings lead – were enjoying bowling into the rough and extracting sizeable spin and, with more than 120 overs left in the game, India were deep in the rut. What eased the tension for Indian fans on a dismal day for them was the knowledge that Gautam Gambhir was still around.

    On form, Gambhir is India’s most bankable batsman. Mohali against England and Napier and Wellington against New Zealand indicate a career path over the last 15 months in which his stature has grown manifold.

    In Mohali last December, at 80 for 4 in the second innings, England had opened up a chink in the Indian batting but Gambhir dug deep to bury their hopes with a vigilant 97 in a 153-run partnership with Yuvraj Singh. The defining knock of his career arrived in Napier when he stuck around after India were forced to follow-on: his 137 lasted 72.2 overs and was spread over 10 hours and 43 minutes. He was not finished though, as he returned in the following Test to score another big century (167) and douse New Zealand’s hopes of securing a win.

    Enough precedent, then, to indicate that Gambhir will be India’s biggest hope going into the final day in Ahmedabad. Though the pitch remains a batting wonder, the threat is three-fold. To begin with, the crucial first hour, then the looming threat of Muttiah Muralitharan and Rangana Herath and finally the reverse-swing factor – both Dammika Prasad and the left-armer Chanaka Welegedara are able to reach speeds of at least 140kph.

    But Gambhir has grown into a seasoned combatant having slugged it out on various pitches at home and abroad. Today, he called on that experience as he compiled runs more by placing the ball into the gaps rather than charging after the bowlers. In the process, he also managed to clear the few cobwebs that had begun to creep into his batting in the last month.

    After a bright start in the ODI series against Australia, including half-centuries in the first two games, Gambhir fell apart and came up with single-digit scores in the next three. Perhaps the pressure of scoring off every ball might have weighed on his mind. But today there was no such pressure even if Sehwag was galloping away at the other end in streaky fashion. In a way, conquering or ignoring the Sehwag factor has been Gambhir’s most important quest.

    Both the Indian openers have been opening together for a long time and have their own distinctive games: Sehwag is instinctive, impulsive, and goes with the gut feeling. Gambhir is also aggressive and can charge the bowlers, but he possesses a more gritty and stubborn mindset. In each of the above mentioned knocks, it was his strength of mind as much as skill that thwarted his opponents. Gambhir’s stronger temperament, at the moment, is something his senior partner wouldn’t mind having. Sehwag is 32, has 15 hundreds (only three of them have resulted in Indian victories) but despite his stunning batsmanship, he can occasionally disappoint you with his shot selection.

    The spinners failed to dissuade him despite having a close ring of fielders as they pitched into the rough. When Herath followed that approach, Gambhir nonchalantly stepped out to firmly push the ball between the cover and mid-off fielders for a sweetly timed four. With his composed stance, he waited for the ball rather than rushing into the shots, a tactic that helped him counter the fuller length and incoming deliveries from the fast bowlers.

    India’s coach Gary Kirsten said he was happy with India’s final scoreline today though he would have preferred one wicket less. As for his strategy for tomorrow, Kirsten said the batsmen had nothing to fear on such a bland pitch. The key was focus. “We have to play risk-free cricket as much as possible and within each one’s gameplans. It is going to require someone to bat 70-80 overs tomorrow.”

    Gambhir is the best man to accomplish that task. “We know what he is capable of and he has proved that…he and Rahul [Dravid] saved us the Test in Napier,” said Kirsten. His message was clear: play according to the situation. “The bottomline is we need to bat for 80% of the day. As long as the guys understand that and confront the situation and come up with a determined and concentrated effort we have the skill to see through the day.”

  48. #48 by Varun Suri on November 20, 2009 - 6:09 AM

    It’s Lunch time now and Once again Gambhir is proving his class by holding onto his wicket and I hope after this match saving knock Omer might start to see him in some positive light. And also appreciate the way he’s following the THE WALL’s footsteps!

    As I am preoccupied with the weddings in the family so I won’t be able to comment much in the coming 3 weeks but I would try to sneak in every now and then and keep a track of what’s happening on LS.

  49. #49 by salman on November 20, 2009 - 8:36 AM

    Hi Javed,

    I am sure it was a typo cos Berlin Olympics took place in 1936 (not 1930).

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 20, 2009 - 12:47 PM

    Salman;

    Yes, you are right its a typo.
    Besides, I was using my memory in narrating Jesse Owens case, which I read a long time ago about how the coloured athletes were treated by Hitler and even by their own country’s white population.

    Hitler used some very harsh words after the marvelous achievements made by Jesse Owens. He said something like, people whose ancestors came from the jungle were primitive and their physiques is stronger than those of civilized whites therefore, these people should be banned from future games!

    And, within the USA, President Franklin Roosevelt did not send him a telegram to congratulate him or invited him to meet him in the White House. The coloured atheletes were not allowed to stay in the same hotels as whites athletes, the worst thing that happened was, when Jesse Owens had to go to a party in the US which was in his honour at the Astoria Hotel, he had to use the freight elevator to go up………..

    Anyways this is another subject, I thought you will say something about my comments on Tendulkar.

    Tendulkar has added another century to his name by playing an anchor role, he looked very determined from the first ball he faced and the first fours he hit, one of Mathews and three of Murali all in the covers, Murali was looking like a very ordinary bowler. But, what a flat track it was, in 5 days 1598 runs were scored and only 21 wickets were fallen. One double century and six centuries!

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 20, 2009 - 12:56 PM

    Varun

    Its true that Gambhir is in good batting form these days, the proof is in his scoring. He scored 6 centuries in 8 test matches. Yes, it is excellent. Remember Mohammad Yousuf scored more than that and he even broke Vivian Richards record of most test runs in one calender year. But, that does not mean Yousuf is better than Viv Richards.

    According to the situation he played a good knock but you cannot ignore Sehwag’s fluent 51 and he was out needlessly by playing a rash shot too early in the innings and too late in the evening. Gambhir also tried to emulate Sehwag by trying to hit a six when he was on 94 and missed it, it was a one bounce four. If there was a fielder there, he could have been out.

    Btw, Dilshan’s catch to dismiss Mishra was a superb example of his class fielding, earlier he dropped him in the slips but, this one he took it within half a second. And LOL @ Siva Rama Krishna who said, “This is a freakish DishMissal

  52. #52 by newguy on November 20, 2009 - 1:00 PM

    I am sure newguy must be going through anxious moments right now and Shoaib is definitely snoring right now on his birthday!

    I slept off soundly at 11 pm (US EST), same time as in Montreal, a bit early yesterday because there wasn’t much to follow in the match. I knew it will end up in a draw unless miracles happened, the pitch was good for landing a commercial airliner 😉

    Murali has lost his potency, he could not get anything in the absence of assistance from the pitch, and Gambhir / Tendulkar / Laxman were happy to block all the balls.

    This is really poor advertisement for Test cricket, this test does nothing but add more to the record books for all the batsmen concerned.

    Already followers in India has very minimal interest in Test cricket, in a recent survey most people prefer T20, and Tests like this will push this form over the edge if not bury it.

    Like I said earlier, curator should be fired if there are no results, no one really cares anyway. India do not even have a test planned for next year, there will be plenty of IPL and Champions League T20s for sure, and the T20WC.

  53. #53 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 20, 2009 - 2:42 PM

    If the flat pitch at Ahmedabad was good for landing a commercial airliner, the Johannesburg ground is good for sailing a commercial vessel. There were pools of water in the outfield and it was raining and pouring and Allan Donald was snoring under his brolly. It is so British to call an umbrella, a brolly and I wonder the South Africans also use the same word? They say it is superstitious to hold a brolly over your head, then I wonder what is the other purpose of it?

    Talking of superstitious, culture and traditions reminds me of an interesting tradition which one of my friends told me whose father is a diplomat and once posted in Tokyo, Japan. According to the Japanese culture and traditions, if you want to visit someone’s house and call them in advance to tell them that you want to visit them at their home on such and such date and, whether it is OK for them or not? Even if it is inconvenient for them to receive you or if they have some other thing to do on that date and time, they don’t say no to you. But, when you go to their house and if you see an open or a stretched out umbrella kept in front of their door, it means you are not welcome, yet if you want to impose yourself on us, you may ring the bell or knock the door and come in and bother us!

    They think it is rather impolite to refuse someone. I think it is very impolite NOT to tell them and they come all the way from their home to meet you, only to find an umbrella hinting you to get lost. Especially in Japan where distances matter, people travel in trains for one hour to go to someone’s house and there you go, see an umbrella and come back!

  54. #54 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 20, 2009 - 2:48 PM

    Pakistan and NZ XI match ended in a draw. The Pakistani bowlers bowled all day and got just one wicket on the 3rd day? Holy crap! It proves how ineffective the bowling department is. McIntosh remained not out with a century to his name, imagine what the regular and well known NZ batsmen would be doing? God bless Eucep Bhai and his CupTaani.

    LOL there used to be an eccentric Euceph Ahmad on cricinfo, I mean on PakSpin.

  55. #55 by khansahab on November 20, 2009 - 7:56 PM

    Omer

    When did I say Gambhir has played 100 matches? I know very well how many matches he has played. I explained to you earlier (but you must have skim-read) that saying someone is “great” is slightly different to saying someone is “a great”. Sehwag has shown he is “a great” because of his match winning ability and triple centuries etc. And Gambhir has been a top batsman for India- he has helped India save and win matches. That article proves that. If Gambhir plays like this for another year I can assure you he will be considered “a great”, too.

    I pasted that article for your attention because you said that Gambhir does not score on seaming tracks, which is obviously very wrong. And by the way I did not say in that comment that Gambhir is “a great”, I just pasted an article and pointed out to you that he has scored on seaming tracks. I don’t even think an average of 60 should be a new barometer for greatness- since when did averages mean much? I have told you so many times I don’t rate Gambhir highly for this average! In fact what he did today- helped India immensely to save this Test, is why I value him highly.

  56. #56 by khansahab on November 20, 2009 - 8:06 PM

    Omer

    Do you think you can be held out to have performed an incredible analysis on Gambhir’s batting without Sehwag, if poor Gambhir HAS ONLY PLAYED 4 INNINGS WITHOUT SEHWAG?

    4 innings is way too less, I mean 4 innings could simply explain the very understandable point that, if you’re used to opening with a certain partner 85% or 90% of the times, you will struggle to adapt if you are opening with a new partner. That is a very plausible explanation. It happens to all openers in all teams.

    It’s like a drowning man will clutch a straw, and sometimes you get so passionate defending Lara and Sehwag, that it seems desperate. I am sorry to say this. I mean, come on you can’t base Gambhir’s performance without Sehwag on the basis of merely 4 innings.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 21, 2009 - 12:50 AM

    LOL……. yeah Gambhir was so full of himself with that century. Imagine if India had lost that match after that? But, the pitch was such, he could have played the whole day along with Tendulkar.

    And, its true, Varun how can you compare Gambhir with Dravid? Dravid and Ganguly both made their debut in the same match against England at Lords. Ganguly was lucky to have scored a century on debut and Dravid was rather unlucky to miss out the century by 5 runs, he was out on 95.

    But Dravid over took Ganguly in both forms of the game with more runs and better average than the later. Especially in test, there is no match between him and Ganguly. So, comparing Dravid with this arrogant gaali baaz laonda called Gambhir is very insulting on part of Dravid.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 21, 2009 - 1:14 AM

    On cricinfo I was reading Harsha Bhogle’s article on chucking.

    http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/435363.html

    He ended his article with a shosha and the bottom line of this article says this:

    “I’m waiting to see a news report that says an Under-19 cricketer was banned for three years for being found over-age. “

    I wonder who that player is? But, the Indian bloggers who have commented below that article are digging out old graves about Afridi and saying “Afridi was aged 17 for a long time. At club and district level when you see a 25 year old batsman belting a 17 year old bowler in an Under 19 match you wonder about the future of the game.”

    First of all when Afridi created that world record of 100/37 balls he wasn’t playing against an under-19 team but, against Sri Lanka who were the new World Champions then. And, it was Jayasuriya who broke Mohammad Azharuddin’s record by scoring 100 in 48 balls against Pakistan in Singapore. The experts were saying that Jayasuriya’s record will remain intact for at least a decade. Six months later Afridi broke that record by miles and since the last 13 years it is still Afridi’s world record.

    Perhaps the Kanpur massacre has dented the psyche of some Indian cricket fans that they keep repeating the same old record like a HMV puppy and lamenting about his age. This is very similar to the last ball six from Javed Miandad which dented the psyche of the Indian team and it took them 18 years to break that jinx and come out of their shell. I wonder how many more years they have to wait to forget about Afridi’s age?

    Take a look at the photo of Afridi when he made that world record and, compare it with his recent photo. He looks like a Puppo in that and now he looks like a matured man. It is also very important for people to understand that the Pathans are physically more robust and have big frame (by tribal standards, especially from Afridi tribe, Shahid Afridi fits among the medium frame and not a big frame person) and a 12 year old Pathan boy or a girl looks like 18-19 years old. Seeing is believing, those who criticize must go to NWFP and see. If they are comparing the likes of Afridi with the baby looks of Tendulkar or, Piyush Chawla etc. then its a different matter.

    I am sure some people with come up with an argument by supporting their views with the bone density test etc. We have already discussed this many times, in case of Afridi no test was ever conducted and there is no need to go into this subject. When a person is fit to play at the age of 41 like Jayasuriya then, a person who is fit to play at the age of 16 who looks like 20, does it matter? Its a fact that a 14 year old Russian girl looks bigger than a 20 year old Indian girl. Now, this will wake up Munir ! 😀

  59. #59 by newguy on November 21, 2009 - 3:28 AM

    Perhaps the Kanpur massacre has dented the psyche of some Indian cricket fans that they keep repeating the same old record like a HMV puppy and lamenting about his age.

    I don’t know whether this is the case or some of these folks are simply making these comments to rile up Pakistan supporters, or may be they are just jealous of Afridi and wants to play down his achievements. To me it is silly, if a player is capable then give him his due, we all know what Afridi is capable of, but good thing for Indian fans he is not going to repeat it often because he tries to play like that every time and gets out.

    This is very similar to the last ball six from Javed Miandad which dented the psyche of the Indian team and it took them 18 years to break that jinx and come out of their shell. I wonder how many more years they have to wait to forget about Afridi’s age?

    This is an urban myth. I would disagree with Javed Khan on this one, Miandad’s six had a much more significant impact, it is not that it broke the confidence of Indian team for many years, rather it boosted the confidence of Pakistan players for many years to come, so much that they started believing anything is possible.

    But I think the real reason Pakistan dominated India during that period is simply because they had a better team, their batsmen were more audacious, like they believed anything is possible, the real deal though was bowling. Prior to the ’86 match in Sharjah, Pakistan and India had similar bowling attacks with the exception of Imran Khan, other bowlers were medium pacers like Mudassar Nassar and the spin bowling was not so great. Co-inciding with Miandad six, Pakistan had players like Wasim Akram, Salim Malik, Syed Anwar, and in another couple of years more people like Waqar Yunus, Mustaq Ahmad, Saqlain Mushtaq, Aaqib Javed, Shahid Afridi to name a few. This was the golden period of Pakistan cricket, late 80s through late 90s. After that it started deteriorating for Pakistan.

    As for India, they had a decent team, but compared to the names I mentioned from the Pakistan side, they were never closer. But in 2000’s things changed, Pakistan started losing the above mentioned players, and India started gaining audacious players like Virendar Sehwag, MS Dhoni, Youvraj Singh, Irfan Pathan, Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Kahn, and a little later players like Suresh Raina, Gautam Gambhir, etc.

  60. #60 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 8:03 AM

    Omer

    I honestly don’t care about whether Gambhir is arrogant or not. I would rather see an arrogant Gambhir than an arrogant Akhtar. Gambhir is a good player and he gets the job done. Normally when people become like that, they lose form. If he loses form then I will criticise him, too.

    Gambhir’s arrogance is not like Saeed Ajmal’s or Malik’s arrogance, which is more like a regional type arrogance, so it does not annoy me that much. It’s like people say Australians are arrogant, yes they are but they have ruled the cricket world for a long time.

  61. #61 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 8:10 AM

    Omer

    So Gambhir did not save the match? He is an opener and he played the anchor role after Sehwag left, because if everyone had started playing like Sehwag, India could have been bundled out for less than 250.

    A bowling side’s confidence is not only shattered when someone makes 30 in 20 balls you know, it is also shattered when a batsman refuses to get out after the bowlers have tried everything against him. In fact that shatters their confidence more, especially if the batsman goes on to make a century. I am using this 30 runs example because Sehwag made 30 in 21 balls recently and you jumped and commented that he shattered the opposition’s confidence and that is why India won or something like that.

  62. #62 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 9:41 AM

    Omer

    Recently Michael Atherton said that saying Tendulkar is the best batsman is demeaning to other greats of the past who have scored all those runs without protective gear etc.

    I totally accept this and in my view, this is a very valid and sensible comment. However, the same applies to Lara, Sehwag, and all the rest of the modern era.

    In fact if some very passionate fan would say that Atherton is not making a sensible comment, I would criticise him.

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 21, 2009 - 1:11 PM

    khansahab

    It is obvious why Mike Atherton doesn’t like Lara? Because, it was against England Lara scored those big, big centuries et aussi la Quadruple et la Cinquième des centaines. So, when you hate someone so much, you don’t acknowledge his/her achievements, in fact you ignore them as if they don’t exist.

    newguy

    Miandad’s six was in April 1986 and India started winning against Pakistan after 2003 WC i.e., when Sehwag and Tendulkar were opening at that time the Pak team bowling had Waqar, Wasim, Akhtar, Saqlain, Mushy, Afridi, Saeed Anwar, Inzamam, Ejaz, Malik, Moin Khan etc., etc., it was just the jinx was broken and then, the first time they won a series, both ODI and test in Pakistan and it was in 2004 .

    Tendulkar made his debut in 1989 and since then Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, were also in the team plus it was Harbhajan, Kumble, Srinath etc., all good players were there, the names you mentioned like, Irfan, Zaheer, Dhoni, Rainai etc., they all came into the limelight after 2004. So, the 18 year period I mentioned was from 1986 to 2004. The team was not bad, but the killer instinct was missing, they didn’t believe in themselves.

    Had India lost that Karachi ODI in which they scored 349 and won it by 4-5 runs margin, they would have lost the series also. That win was the turning point, it was the winning turn, the spell was broken. I am not sure if you followed that series? When India arrived in 2004, in Lahore they played a 50 over game against Pakistan A team on March 11, 2004 and India played their full team for practice and scored some 334 runs, Pakistan A won that match by 6 wickets in 46 overs and Imran Nazir’s swashbuckling 80 odd runs was the key. Unfortunately there is no scorecard for this match on cricinfo, neither on sify.com

  64. #64 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 1:14 PM

    Javed A Khan

    What did Atherton say about Lara? He made no comment for or against Lara?

    In fact saying that considering Tendulkar is the best is demeaning to other (previous) greats, is a somewhat negative statement against Tendulkar.

  65. #65 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 1:21 PM

    PCB has announced that the decision on Misbah will be made after the 1st Test.

    Firstly, why do they need to make a decision on Misbah in the first place? Why bring back an average player to play Test cricket?

    Secondly, this is a shameful decision for Fawad Alam and very unfair on Alam. That is because after performing with both bat and ball in the warm up, Alam is due to play in the 1st Test but if he fails, Misbah will play in his position, because Malik and Umer Akmal will not be dropped.

    The PCB has played politics and done everything it can to try and get Fawad Alam out of the team.

  66. #66 by ¨*¤ §weetie ¤*¨ on November 21, 2009 - 5:04 PM

    BF, please change this pic of ures. It’s not for u!

  67. #67 by Pawan on November 21, 2009 - 7:40 PM

    I cannot forget the WC 2003 match of India vs. Pakistan. That Sachin’s innings was once in a lifetime! He literally killed the Pakistani bowlers psyche. Although the Pakistan stalwarts like Wasim and co. were on the verge of retiring, but am sure that one innings from Sachin packed the bags of so many – Wasim, Waqar, Anwar, Latif, Taufeeq Umar and also rocketed Akhtar into oblivion. So I can understand the hatred against Tendulkar in general in Pakistan. That one six against Shoaib Akhtar over square was so stunning that it changed the whole course of the game. Sehwag at the other end was going all guns. When he got out, it was all Sachin. 274 to win was a decent target, in fact more than a decent target. But Tendulkar made it look like childs play. I remember the reaction that Akram gave after Razzaq dropped the catch of Tendulkar. It looked like he was saying “Tujhe pata hai tuney kiska catch drop kiya hai..” And Tendulkar didn’t even score a hundred! He was out on 98 poor chap. He deserved that hundred so much. Well, losing is one thing, but losing in a world cup against arch rivals that too because of one man is sure to rile up the public. I heard that the Pakistani players didn’t fly home directly, some went to Dubai and then came home..
    Anwyays, I gotto go.
    Will write later.

  68. #68 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 9:15 PM

    Omer

    I am used to repeating information many times for you, because you have proven time and again you skim-read, so I guess it won’t hurt me repeating myself again:

    Gambhir has been India’s most consistent batsmen over last 2 years
    Gambhir was 2009’s ICC Test Player of the Year
    Gambhir averages 72 away from home (whereas Sehwag averages 49 away) and both of them have been playing the same bowling attacks, which makes Gambhir a far superior batsman who bats like a “shair” and Sehwag appears to be a geedar when playing at home.

    Have you heard of, “Apni galli mai kutta bhi shair”? I think at home Sehwag is a shair, and I think I can now see why 🙂

    Oh and about the love thing, when I saw your unabated love for Sehwag in all these discussions, I thought I should fall in love too and experience the Deewangi 🙂

    Monica Bellucci is still a sweetheart by the way.

  69. #69 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 9:23 PM

    Omer

    I am surprised being a Mathematician you are asking me how Gambhir helped save the match for India.

    India was 334 runs behind after SL made 760. There were reports of cracks in the pitch and many people were saying the SL spinners could get India out for less than 334. So when Gambhir made 114 as opener, he helped India surpass that lead of 334.

    I can’t explain in simpler words, sorry.

  70. #70 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 9:26 PM

    Pawan

    Firstly, “hatred” is a very strong word to use. Secondly, there was no change of opinion about Tendulkar as a result of that match. I did not watch that match but I am sure it must have been a very good innings. But, I believe he has played many more innings like that.

    I don’t know why you think Pakistanis started hating Tendulkar after that particular match?

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 21, 2009 - 10:44 PM

    Pawan

    It was Sehwag who hit the six first over the point boundary and Tendulkar did later. But, that is not the demise of fast bowling in Pakistan, Tendulkar has hit 2 straight sixes and a four off McGrath in Kenya. As regards hitting Akhtar, it is very easy to hit him over the point or third man boundary especially when he gives so much width and with that speed, all you need is the timing to connect the shot.

    I dunno if you remember even Balaji hit a straight six of Akhtar in the 2004 series in Pakistan. But, if you are talking of just sixes, then Pakistani players have hit more sixes of Indian bowling. Perhaps Afridi alone has hit more sixes against India than all the sixes of the Indian team combined together which were scored against Pakistan. He hit nine of them alone in Kanpur match in just one innings. And, four in one over against Harbhajan in Faislabad test match. I think one should ask Rajesh how many sixes he scored against India? 😉

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 21, 2009 - 11:10 PM

    There was a time when Afridi over took Jayasuriya’s record of most sixes in ODI but, then Pakistan did not play as many ODI’s as Sri Lanka did in the past 2 – 3 years and Jayasuriya coming back his after retirement took the International cricket with a bang once again. I think he is the second highest run getter in ODI’s after Tendulkar. Jayasuriya is ONLY 4 thousand runs behind Tendulkar 😀 But, his sixes in ODI’s are 270 and Afridi’s are 253 are the second hightest.

    Btw, who is the highest wicket taker in T20? I think it is Omer Gul? But I am not sure if he is number one in the world or, is he?

    I just checked it is indeed Umar Gul and Shahid Afridi second:

    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283194.html

  73. #73 by khansahab on November 21, 2009 - 11:28 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I honestly don’t understand what you are implying I am jealous of, and I also don’t understand why you think Atherton made any comment about Lara. It seems to be he only spoke about Tendulkar vs the past greats?

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 22, 2009 - 12:58 AM

    This comment is a follow up of my previous comment. A few days ago we were discussing about football or soccer that, in India/Pakistan and Bangladesh even in Sri Lanka they don’t have a good soccer team whereas, countries like UAE and Saudi Arabia can beat Indian and Pakistani football teams anytime.

    Then, we talked about the Banana Kick i.e., an art which the Latin American soccer players created it. So, one of us said, THANK GOD, Pakistan did not do this, otherwise they would have been accused of FOOTBALL TAMPERING. 😀

  75. #75 by khansahab on November 22, 2009 - 12:01 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Thank you for clarifying, but I still don’t see the point of Atherton mentioning Lara. Tendulkar crossed 30000 runs in international cricket and Atherton was just responding to people saying that Tendulkar is the greatest player.

    I mean, these days there has been a lot of media hype about Tendulkar because of that 175 in that ODI and now, crossing 30000 runs, which explains why Atherton would make a comment like that. How he can mention Lara, or Ponting etc, I just don’t know why he would mention them when talking about Tendulkar.

  76. #76 by newguy on November 22, 2009 - 1:46 PM

    Pawan, Khansaheb, Javed:

    Too much has been said about Tendulkar’s 98 against Pakistan in the 2003 WC league match, and overall about this match itself, recently Tendulkar himself said that it was probably one of his best matches.

    To me this gives causes too much embarrassment to Indian cricket, to speak so much highly about a league match, notwithstanding the fact Pakistan vs. India is always a huge deal, to me is not focusing on the real achievements. How about not letting Australia score that 359 in the final, or may be chase it down after they did that? To me, this is the kind of achievement Tendulkar and India should be talking about. Not beating Pakistan in a league game. But this is how the thinking goes in the sub-continent. I remember the day I went to the Desi shop run by Pakistani to buy mutton, and the butcher who knows I am from India started asking, suna nahin aaj war hone wala hai, India aur Pakistan key beech”, he was so pumped up about this match and he was so confident his team was going to win, I did not go back to the shop to check how he was doing later, but anyway this is how the common man in sub-continent thinks, instead they should think about larger goals.

    I don’t think Pakinstan supporters hate Tendulkar for this, sure there are hate mongers everywhere, some will always be so, but the true cricket lovers in Pakistan loves Tendulkar. And I believe it when Javed said Tendulkar and other Indian cricketers received a lot of affection in Pakistan when they toured in ’04.

    Besides hate is such a strong word, I would not use it in this context.

  77. #77 by newguy on November 22, 2009 - 2:19 PM

    If you ask me, who was Mike Atherton?

    A middle of the road English batsman and equally middle of the road English captain.

    The English always have a hidden axe to grind. They started doing this when they first stepped off the boat into the sub-continent some 250 years ago.

    When he says other greats, Atherton probably is referring to English players of yore like Jack Hobbs and Dennis Compton, who according to English are the equals of Don Bradman. There used to a time when English and Australia ruled the cricket world and the greats were either from England or Australia. Atherton is simply clutching to this old nostalgia that no one really cares for anymore, now that England is a team all and sundry could beat.

  78. #78 by newguy on November 23, 2009 - 1:28 AM

    Omer,

    No, I don’t think Mike Atherton makes any good points based on what you have posted (his words). He has singled out Tendulkar for wearing protective gear where as it applies to every batsman in his generation. Atherton says Tendulkar may not have played well without helmet, and what about the rest. This is so ridiculous, instead a better comparison would be about how batting has become easier with protective gear so the batsmen of modern era has benefited from it, hence comparison cannot be made to greats of other eras. But at the same time, when we do such as comparison we should also remember, batsman of older generation enjoyed not having video analysis and computer analysis done on them, Tendulkar is probably among the most studied batsman of his time by his opponents, if he has a problem then rest assured the computer experts would have found it. We don’t know if Viv Richards or Don Bradman had many problems since video and computer analysis were not available or not very much used (in case of Richards).

    So, I find this comment rubbish. But sure, Atherton can say Tendulkar along with all modern day batsmen have enjoyed such things as protective gear, hence we cannot compare them with batsmen of older generation. While also taking into account things such as lack of computer analysis back then helping those batsmen.

  79. #79 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 23, 2009 - 5:46 AM

    newguy

    In the old days apart from protective gears, going as back as W. G. Grace period and up to the seventies and eighties even the cricket bats were not as good as they are now. The pitches were very grassy and bouncy and used to favour the bowlers more than the batsmen. Remember Douglas Jardine and the Body Line Tactics of the early 1930’s? Jardine had 5 fast bowlers in his team and Harold Larwood was his main strike bowler and he was so fast and accurate that he scared and restricted not only the other Australian batsmen but, even the greatest of the great at that time Don Bradman, who was always very aggressive but, he too could not stand against the body line tactics and he averaged only 56.7 as opposed to his career average of 99.94 or whatever. And, Australia lost that series 4-1

    In fact in that series two Australian batsmen, I don’t remember their names, they were seriously injured by Jardine’s fast bowlers and short pitch rising deliveries and placement of 5 fielders on the legside.

    Jardine’s use of Body Line tactics became the most controversial series between England and Australia and it strained the diplomatic relations between the two countries. Although, Jardine’s tactics were never repeated but, the tactics of Body line had served its purpose. Jardine managed to contain and restrain the great Donald Bradman from scoring freely. If Bradman was wearing protective gears like today’s batsmen, he may not have been afraid of Larwood’s accurate bouncers and he may have scored more runs, perhaps his career average would have been over 100.

  80. #80 by newguy on November 23, 2009 - 6:04 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Add Inzamam to that list, he hit a guy in the crowd who called Inzi “aloo” and other such things.

  81. #81 by khansahab on November 23, 2009 - 7:48 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Shahzaib Hasan Khan has given an interview recently and said that Younis Khan and Shahid Afridi are his biggest inspirations and it is because of them he was successful in the T20 World Cup.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 23, 2009 - 9:55 PM

    newguy;

    I thought about Inzi, but I was trying to narrate those two incidents where the intent was not to hit and yet they got so much adverse publicity. As regards Inzamam’s incident most eye witnesses reports came from the Indian supporters who sent emails to cricinfo. There is one thing missing in all of them is, Shivsingh the guy who used megaphone to irritate everyone – not just the players but the crowd as well – was a real nut case.

    Knowing Inzamam that he is a cool customer never gets upset so easily got a moment of madness and that was not because he was called simply a potato or ALOO but, this guy was also telling in Hindi that Inzi’s Butt (he used, the four letter word G*ND) as two fat ALOOs and not only that he was also provoking him constantly with other kinda abuse.

    He thought a megaphone in his hand made him James Bond, a license (to kill or,) speak whatever he wants and no one expected Inzi will get so infuriated that he will actually thunk that guy. And, yes Inzi did swung the bat at his megaphone which crashed into pieces. And, again if Inzi wanted to hit his head with the bat, he wouldn’t have missed that pull shot.

    If you are talking about such incidents there are many, one of the West Indian players threw a huge brick in the crowd and broke the skull of a spectator who was hospitalized and was seriously injured.

  83. #83 by Mohammed Munir on November 24, 2009 - 6:04 AM

    Welcome back to Pakistan in Test Cricket.

    Go Greens !!

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 24, 2009 - 3:42 PM

    India has posted a 400 plus on the first day with 8 wickets in hand, shouldn’t they play at a little more faster run rate today? Because, instead of declaring at tea, then can declare 3 hours before and get 3-4 SL wickets and, there is no need for follow-on even if SL gets out with 200 runs short of the target. They should drag SL to the last day and hope the dead, flat track helps them on the last day! Getting SL out twice is not an easy task on this flat track.

    After all the shore sharaba that the Ahmedabad wicket was flat like an airstrip where commercial airliner can land, Kanpur is not any different. I wonder why the BCCI cannot interfere in this? Why can’t they fire the curator to set an example for the others? Anyways, from the outset it looks like this will be yet another draw but, lets wait and see till the dust settles.

    In Kanpur India played 20 test matches, won 5 lost 3 and drew 12.

  85. #85 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 24, 2009 - 3:47 PM

    Munir – At the moment the Greens are more pale and Whites than Green.

  86. #86 by newguy on November 24, 2009 - 4:50 PM

    Two test matches involving Pakistan and India started yesterday and I thought there will be more posts on LS. Pakistan’s match is easier for me to follow here since it starts early, Pakistan had a dream start to their bowling but then gave away the advantage back once Asif/Aamer gave way to Gul & co, and the new ball lost it’s shine. But credit must be given to the way the opening bowlers performed, Asif on his comeback proved once again the kind of quality bowling he is capable of. NZ are well positioned, but in Test cricket the last four wickets can fall very cheaply, and if Asif/Aamer can get ball to swing in the morning which they should be able to then they can get NZ under 350. I would think 350 is still a good score, but you never know until Pakistan has batted.

    We will know how this match is going to go by end of 2nd day’s play.

    As for the India/SL match, another rest fest, and more better this time. A welcome century for Sehwag after a long period, although he was still contributing. Gambhir once again capitalized on this excellent form for another hundred and these two have put India in a good spot from where they should be able to control the match. But we will not know until SL has played their 1st innings.

    Based on Day 1 it is hard to predict the test match will be a draw and the pitch is same like Ahmadabad. Curator said the pitch will offer runs on Day 1 & 2 but will start taking turn from Day 3, we will have to give him benefit of doubt. I am all for firing curator if match ends in a draw because it offered nothing to bowlers.

    It does seem though there is turn in the pitch and it is slow. SL spinner were ineffective primarily because Sehwag did not allow then to settle into a rhythm, and secondarily because this is a Day 1 pitch.

    As for scoring faster tomorrow, with Dravid and Tendulkar at crease I doubt they will keep the tempo set by Sehwag/Gambhir, Sehwag’s strike rate was 107 and he made 131 runs. Dravid is nearing a hundred, and Tendulkar almost surely will try to go for one and add to his collections. So don’t expect free scoring.

  87. #87 by newguy on November 24, 2009 - 5:35 PM

    Sachin never helped Marathis – Shiv Sena.

    Continuing its attack on Sachin Tendulkar, the Shiv Sena on Sunday said there was no instance of him helping any Marathi cricketer while Sunil Gavaskar was a “genuine Maharashtrian” and had given Test caps to many players from the state during his tenure as India captain.

    In an article in party mouthpiece Saamna, Sena MP Sanjay Raut while comparing Tendulkar to Gavaskar, alleged, “There has been no instance of Sachin extending a helping hand to other Marathi cricketers. Forget others, he did not even support Vinod Kambli.”

    “In contrast, Gavaskar when he captained India, had half the team drawn from Mumbai and Maharashtra. He gave Test caps to many Marathi players including Suru Naik and Zulphikar Parkar at least for one match,” he said, while also acknowledging Tendulkar’s greatness as a cricketer.

    “In this context, Gavaskar is a genuine Maharashtrian and the whole country loves him even now in the same way,” the article claimed.>/b>

    Thank God Sachin is not another Gavaskar who pushes his Mumbai/Marathi agenda. Gavaskar was self centered when he played and he is even more when he is commentating. His commentary is the most annoying to listen to, he is like an old uncle going rah rah blah blah and he has a terrible accent to boot. Hope Tendulkar when he retires will never step into the commentary box and end up like Gavaskar.

  88. #88 by Maza786 on November 24, 2009 - 5:38 PM

    Wicket Descriptions on Day one in Pak Vs NZ Match:

    Wicket 1= Aamer absolute beauty! First ball of the winter test season and right on the money.
    Full, straight and a hint of inswing which too hot to handle for the left hander.

    Wicket 2= Good delivery from Asif. First wicket in his comeback. Just holds its line against the lefty as he nicks it!

    Wicket 3= Gr8 result for Aamer and good catch from Fawad. Banged in short and with intent as the batsmen fell in the trap.

    Wicket 4= Cracking flight from Ajmal as he throws it up inviting the drive and gets the edge which is very well caught by Farhat in slip.

    Wicket 5= Just nipped back a touch from Asif and results in the inside edge as he plays on.

    Wicket 6= Another fine delivery from Asif but a lack of footwork from the batsmen as he gifts a second catch for Kamran Akmal behing the stumps.

  89. #89 by newguy on November 24, 2009 - 5:39 PM

    Librhan report on Babri Masjid demolition is the rage in India now, Parliament has been rocked by the leaking of this report to media prior to it’s official release in Dec. The report widely criticizes BJP leaders for their involvement in the most darkest history of post independence India.

    Once the report comes up BJP is guaranteed to be buried as a national party of any significance, like some of us have said here before BJP is already on the path to elimination and this will seal it.

  90. #90 by khansahab on November 24, 2009 - 7:58 PM

    Omer

    Agree with you on the Farhat point- lousy batsman and pathetic fielder. He has dropped many catches in the past. I don’t care if he scores a few runs this Test series, he is a below average player.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 24, 2009 - 9:17 PM

    newguy

    Is Suru Naik or Sudhir Naik the same guy who was caught stealing socks at Marks & Spencer in London? The Indian team that year lost all the matches in England and Naik’s news was in all newspapers and TV and then, the Indian Ambassador in the UK invited the team for a high tea, the team arrived one hour late and reportedly the ambassador got so pissed off he said, you guys don’t play cricket, you don’t know how to keep appointments and on top of that you steal socks and create a bad name for the country.

    If Shiv Sena wants that kinda Marathi players then they should create their own team and not a Indian National Team. And, yes Gavaskar was and still is pathetic. Like I said b4 he is trying to re-live his past in Tendulkar’s present life by imagining that all what Tendulkar is doing is what he as Gavaskar couldn’t have done or achieved and now he is achieving it through his protege Tendulkar.

  92. #92 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 24, 2009 - 9:21 PM

    Sehwag was dropped on the 4th ball of the day today. The keeper, Prasana Jayawardene dived in front of the first slip to take that catch and missed it, it was a regulation catch for the first slip. You give Sehwag a life and he makes you suffer.

    In Multan, Taufiq Umar, Yasir Hameed and a few others dropped Sehwag 5 times and I am not sure if Imran Farhat was there in that team? Even Sami who is generally a very good fielder he dropped one of Sehwag’s catch in that Multan match.

  93. #93 by khansahab on November 24, 2009 - 11:16 PM

    Gambhir right up there with Gavaskar: Sehwag

    ‘Gambhir is one of the best openers after (Sunil) Gavaskar,’ he told reporters. ‘The way he is playing, he will become the next superstar of the Indian team,’ Sehwag told reporters.

  94. #94 by newguy on November 25, 2009 - 12:30 AM

    This is terrible strategy from Yousuf, seamers were not able to get the breakthrough and he has now spread the field. He should have been attacking from the get go in the morning to get one of them out and then have a go at the tail. Commentary says for some strange reason seamers are not able to get any swing under overcast conditions. McCullum and Vettori are running away with the match, if they cross 400 it will cost Pakistan dearly.

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 25, 2009 - 12:56 AM

    368 for 6, Pakistani bowlers are unable to break BB Mac and Dan Vet partnership and from now on, the game has swung in favour of NZ, Pakistan definitely in a difficult situation. Very unimaginative captaincy from Yousuf. Also, I fail to understand why Malik is not bowling?

    Khansahab

    Sehwag is a leader so he is not afraid to praise his juniors. He said, Gambhir is one of the best openers after Gavaskar. So, one of the best is not the best 😉 I know he is in good form these days but, his centuries are coming mainly at home on flat tracks.

  96. #96 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 25, 2009 - 1:46 PM

    I thought India would be amassing at least 780 runs, but in the first session of the second day they scored only 65 runs and Tendulkar for some reason played a very, very slow innings. What was the need to play so slow? You take the total past 500 mark you are safe. Sri Lanka cannot make 760 runs in every test match. Anyways, this is poor captaincy from Dhoni, he should have instructed his batsmen to play fast. Not a single batsman played a fluent innings on the second day and Dhoni himself joined the long tail and got out cheaply. To me it looks like its going to be another draw at Kanpur.

    Pakistanis are struggling to get the New Zealanders out, unlucky Taylor and unlucky Vettori, especially Vettori for getting out on 99 and he will take his revenge when he would be bowling provided the rain gods stop crying. Although by the end of the 2nd day not even one innings is over but, one can predict the result to a certain extent. Pakistan is capable of getting out twice to make 400 runs.

  97. #97 by newguy on November 25, 2009 - 3:01 PM

    Javed,

    India played slow yesterday, and Tendulkar contributed to this, and the way he tried to speed the innings and got our after lunch, he must have received message during lunch to go for runs. He hit Mendis for a six and trying to get another got out. After that I though Youvraj played decent but still not near the first days place.

    One reason is that the pitch has become slower and it is keeping low, not conductive for stroke play. Herath took five wickets and this is a warning sign. Harbhajan and Ojha should be able to get SL out tomorrow and make them bat again. Zaheer should also get wickets.

    I don’t think this test will be a draw unlike the 1st one. The reason is the pitch has started to deteriorate and it will not allow stroke play during Day 3, 4, 5.

    Indians have to bowl badly tomorrow otherwise, which I must say they are capable of, but let see how it goes, my gut feeling tell me though that this pitch will crumble.

  98. #98 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 25, 2009 - 8:32 PM

    newguy

    If you insist fewer traders make more profit then, the old school of thought that one highly skilled dealer or trader is enough, the rest can be book-keepers. It is important that the checks and balances are there and all the dealers and traders adhere to the policy. I would narrate a real incident but, I won’t name the bank or the chief dealer (head of treasury) who had a team of 10 treasury dealers and this is what they did.

    All organizations make budgets and set targets and the overall target is distributed between departments and branches. In the first week of January targets were set and assigned. In the third week of January, the chief of treasury casually told me “today we have achieved the target for the whole year for the entire bank and not just his department, and he has no worries!”

    Upon asking how he did? He proudly said, “We took a very large position on Friday and the rate was in our favour and on Monday when the market reopened, we closed the position and were able to make the entire year’s profit for the whole bank.” Even his whole team was very happy with that achievement that they will have a peaceful one year and no more hard work to run around and do any work because the target is achieved!

    They were not aware of the dangers of the risky position their boss took and they thought it is OK. If you are wondering what the management was doing? The position was taken on Friday evening and the computer reports printed out the next day from the mainframe computer, but it was a week-end and the Management would only know when they get the reports on their desks on Monday morning. And, he was so excited that he told me immediately after booking the profit early Monday morning.

    It was a big gamble, what if the rates went against him? He would have ended up with that much bigger loss. In fact, when I reported the matter to the CEO and a management committee meeting was called and he was also asked to come and disclose what he did. It was revealed that the amount of position he took was more than the bank’s paid up capital. It was so shocking for everyone in the committee that they couldn’t believe what he did. He was immediately suspended and later terminated from the bank.

    Therefore, no matter how many skilled dealers or brokers you may have, if an individual like him or, Nick Leeson and Hamanaka remains unchecked, unleashed the profit making business remains very, very risky. Therefore, limits on positions, limits per dealer/trader and make sure NO overnight position remains open. You never know what happens the next day, so its better to book a loss by the end of the day rather than hoping for a big profit which may not come your way. There is a difference between gambling, speculating and prudent business dealings.

  99. #99 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 25, 2009 - 8:39 PM

    Munir,

    Eid is on Friday and Hajees are moving to Arafat tomorrow morning. I heard that in Saudia banks are closed for 10 days! Is it true? Because, one of my friends who works for a Saudi Bank in Bahrain, he is here on vacation and he told me that in Bahrain they get only 4 days off, when he was in Saudia, in the same bank they used to get 10 days off for Eid ul Adha.

    Also heard that in Saudia, wheat flour is for free, so in restaurants if you eat tandoori naan they give you about 4-5 naans in one Saudi Riyal by saying Aataa is free but, this is only labour cost. Still its damn good. Here the desi restaurants charge $1 per naan and in one of the Indian Restaurants in old town, that guy charge $3 plus tax which is $3.45 per naan. It is one of those posh restaurants where goras go for curry and wine.

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 25, 2009 - 8:40 PM

    newguy

    AT the end of the third day’s play we will come to see a better picture of the match whether it will end in a draw or whether there is a result as you think. And, Youvraj’s strike rate is not that great so I don’t know what you mean by he played decent?

  101. #101 by newguy on November 25, 2009 - 10:10 PM

    Javed,

    Youvraj’s strike rate is not that great so I don’t know what you mean by he played decent?

    His strike rate was 63, about the same as Dravid, only Gambhir and Sehwag did better, of course Sehwag strike rate was 107, but we cannot expect anyone else to keep up with that. Considering pitch slowed down on Day 2, it was not a bad rate.

  102. #102 by khansahab on November 25, 2009 - 11:17 PM

    There is no improvement in the Pakistan team despite the so called world class bowling attack of Asaf, Aamer and Gul. I don’t think Ajmal appears as a Test level spinner- especially if he is playing as the only specialist spinner. Kaneria should have been playing in his place.

    Once again the captain and management will make the following excuse,

    “We dominated for 2 sessions but then we could not keep momentum in the next few sessions”.

    This is stupid, because you need to keep your focus for the whole match and be at your best every session. Credit goes to NZ and now it will be hard for Pakistan to win this match, unless a miracle happens.

    Bowling wise there is no dearth of talent in Pakistan, but the bowlers need inspiring captaincy and good fielding to support them. It is the batting where there is lack of talent in people like Butt, Malik, Misbah etc.

  103. #103 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 25, 2009 - 11:40 PM

    khansahab

    During the NZ innings 132 overs were bowled and only 4 bowlers were used. Three fast and one spinner. There are other two in the team viz. Malik and Fawad Alam and, Yousuf did not use either of them. This is weird captaincy. When things are not working out, you try change bowling and see. But, Yousuf is same as Inzi, they go for defensive field arrangement, defensive bowling. Shouldn’t the management be seeing all this?

    If Yousuf continues to lead the side like this, I doubt he will be captain for the Australian tour. Asif has taken 4 wickets but, he failed to nail the NZ team considering he is world class bowler on paper he is Sheikhupura McGrath. I can bet even Rana or Rao would have taken those wickets. Gul is not a test match bowler. He bowls in bursts, and he is erratic, he bowls very accurate and then, there is moment of madness and he gets thrashed away. He needs to focus his efforts from a test match point of view and if he cannot bowl for long with desired results, he should be replaced.

    And, I know the stupid logic of dominating sessions, only people like Intekhab Alam and Yawar Saeed can say such stupid things, which makes sense to them but not for anyone else. Quarter kebab accha that, second quarter kuccha thaa, 3rd quarter may namak nahee thaa, 4th quarter may mirch ziyada thee…….. Tabbaq Intekhab.

  104. #104 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 25, 2009 - 11:43 PM

    newguy

    When you talk about Yuvraj, you talk about sixes and fours and by any standards he is no less than Sehwag and Gambhir (especially Gambhir) and if his strike rate is only 63 then its not good. Secondly, whether the pitch is slowing down or not, when you have 500 runs on the board and 6 wickets in hand, you don’t have to play for a milestone of 50 or 80 to cement your place! Tendulkar was not cementing his place, he must have thought, well everyone is making hundreds here, let me add another 100 to my name and in doing so he ruined the first session. That’s what I say that at times when he does that, I fail to understand and ask myself, is this the same Tendulkar?

  105. #105 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 25, 2009 - 11:48 PM

    Chalo jee, pehli wicket bhee gir gayee, Khuram Manzoor OUT bowled for six by Martin.

    Bond is bowling constantly over 140 kph whereas, Martin is bowling around 130 kph. Manzoor tried to slap the ball on the offside and got an inside edge which crashed into his stumps. Fawad Alam is in.

    Like, I have said, this Pakistan side can get out twice to make 400 runs. If they go defensive from here, they will definitely crumble like a cookie and one after the other would be going back to the pavilion like they always do.

  106. #106 by newguy on November 26, 2009 - 1:26 AM

    Javed,

    That’s what I say that at times when he does that, I fail to understand and ask myself, is this the same Tendulkar?

    Tendulkar lives for hundreds these days. I see nothing wrong in that so long as it is not compromising the team position. But you are right, he wants to keep adding to his hundreds, he has become another Gavaskar. Team position was not compromised because 642 in under 2 days is still a very good score, that is more than 300 runs a day. Everything depends on bowlers now, looking at how Herath bowled, Indian spinners have no excuse.

  107. #107 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2009 - 3:47 AM

    newguy

    Team position has BEEN compromised. Because, of Tendulkar and Dhoni. First Tendulkar’s slow and pathetic 40 at a strike low rate and, he consumed the whole of the first session along with Dravid both adding a mere 65 actually dampened the spirits of others. There should be no excuse like you admit that he has become another Gavaskar so stick to it.

    I was hoping that by the end of the first session on second day India would be close to 600 runs instead they were 535. Ideally after the fall of Tendulkar’s wicket Yuvraj should have been sent ahead of Laxman and even Dhoni ahead of Laxman to accelerate the run rate.

    But, this was a typical conservative approach “kay Laxman Bhai ko naraaz na kero” it doesn’t matter, you don’t need to compromise the situation by considering who is senior and who is junior? If I was in Dhoni’s place I would have sent Yuvraj ahead of Tendulkar with a license to kill.

  108. #108 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2009 - 1:18 PM

    This is a funny report from Pakistan. It is about the PCB’ mismanagement and misappropriation of funds, its been written (mostly copied) by Osman Samiuddin on cricinfo.

    http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/436735.html

    Its been a tradition in Pakistan that ALL the crimes, injustices, fraud, embezzlement, nepotism etc., etc., done by the previous regime and the current regime is the must sincere, honest, just, fair, impartial etc.

    All the blame is shifted on the previous Chairmen DNA, Tauqir Zia and Shahriyar Khan, whereas, BUTT got immunity because he is doing a good job under Asif Zardari’s balls. He is like, Ibn-al-Waqt meaning, no one can touch him. He is big mouthing that when he took over the PCB it was in deficit. Whereas, I remember very clearly from the media reports that the PCB had a surplus of US$30 million when he took over as Chairman of the PCB. Now he is saying something else.

    Since he took over, he has been spending money left, right and center on his traveling first class, staying in 5 star hotels and, spending money lavishly like Asif Zardari, and once in a while Ijaz Butt also comes to Pakistan otherwise he is always out of the country like Zardari. It is during Butt’s tenure that most relatives and friends of Butt have been appointed in the PCB and they do not even qualify for those positions just like he is not qualified for his post.

  109. #109 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2009 - 1:29 PM

    HERE IS WHAT IJAZ BUTT GOT FROM THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. LOOK AT THE CONTRASTING NEWS WHICH SAMIUDDIN POSTED ON CRICINFO AND WHAT TODAY’S DAWN NEWSPAPER HAS PUBLISHED.


    LAHORE: While the sub-committee of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Sports has summoned PCB’s chief financial adviser Mohammad Naeem to appear before it on Thursday, it has also termed the recent appointments of Chief Operating Officer (COO) Wasim Bari and many others as illegal.

    In a hard-hitting meeting with the PCB officials at the National Cricket Academy (NCA) on Wednesday, the sub-committee headed by convener Saud Majeed discussed the accounts/audit position of the PCB and questioned many decisions recently taken arbitrarily by its chairman Ijaz Butt.

    Well-informed sources told Dawn that the members of the committee were not convinced over the briefing given by the PCB acting Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Mushtaq Ahmad and asked the PCB chairman to bring along Chief Financial Adviser Mohammad Naeem on Thursday, the second day of the meeting.

    Mushtaq, a senior accounts officer of the PCB, appeared clueless over the various financial queries made by the sub-committee.

    Sources further said that the committee was surprised when the PCB chairman informed that the total assets of the PCB were around rupees four billion.

    One of the members of the sub-committee objected to the figures quoted by the PCB and said the total value of the assets it owned amounted to around Rs25 billion.

    Sources said the committee had decided to suggest to the Auditor General of Pakistan to conduct a special audit of the Board, like it had recently done for the period between 2003 and 2008.

    The sub-committee also raised questions that under which clause of the constitution the PCB chairman was giving orders for making various expenditures.

    Though the PCB chairman Ijaz defended his position, the committee asked him to present the constitution and show which clause allowed him to do so.

    It must be mentioned that the Governing Board’s approval is necessary for all expenditures made by the PCB and the chairman has no powers to spend even a single rupee on his own.

    However, sources said the PCB chairman had made many an expenditure without taking the GB members into confidence which includes decisions regarding the renovation work of the National Stadium, Karachi and Niaz Stadium, Hyderabad as well as a stadium in Nawabshah.

    Interestingly, the PCB chairman had suspended work midway on large projects such as the renovation of the Pindi Stadium and the Gaddafi Stadium, citing paucity of funds.

    The sub-committee has also decided to ask about the TA/DA claimed by both Ijaz and Naeem since their appointment in the PCB. Ijaz has never missed any tour where Pakistan team has played during his tenure as chairman.

    The sub-committee also criticised the PCB chief for appointing his own relative Naeem as chief financial adviser. They pointed out that when Naeem was appointed on ad-hoc basis, how could his tenure has spanned several years.

    ‘An ad hoc post could only last for three or four months,’ they observed.

    Sources said the sub-committee also raised objections over the appointment of the PCB officials and said that many of those were not made on merit.

    Sources further disclosed that the appointment of Wasim Bari as COO was termed as illegal as it was made without giving any proper advertisement in the newspapers.

    Though Bari tried his level best to justify the decision of the PCB chairman of appointing him as the COO, the sub-committee rejected it and said in fact the PCB chairman wanted to appoint him and therefore forced the GB members as late as midnight to sign on the papers for Bari’s appointment as COO after getting rid of another one of his hand-picked official, Saleem Altaf.

    The sub-committee observed that even the appointment of Saleem as COO was illegal because the post was not advertised.

    Sources said the PCB chairman also failed to convince the body that the Board had incurred losses by holding the home series against Australia and New Zealand at neutral venues.

    The sub-committee also criticised the PCB for accepting the ECB offer of just $3.5m for playing a series against England next year, while it could have sold it for $ 8-10 million.

    Different directors of the PCB also made presentation to the committee. The members of the sub-committee were Iqbal Mohammad Ali Khan and Syed Tayyab Hussain Aamir.

    Some officials of the Ministry of Sports were also present in the meeting.

    From the PCB, besides chairman Ijaz Butt and Bari, the other officials who attended the session included Zakir Khan (Director International Cricket), Sultan Rana (Director Domestic Cricket) and Mushtaq (Acting CFO).

    APP adds: The sub-committee recommended that the PCB, in consultation with the Ministry of Sports, should finalise its constitution by Jan 31, 2010.

    The subcommittee will also play its part in finalising the constitution, said a PCB spokesman.

    Sultan Rana made a comprehensive presentation on the state of domestic cricket in Pakistan. The efforts of the PCB at various levels such as u-17, u-19, and senior level were presented to the committee.

    Haroon Rasheed, Director National Cricket Academy (NCA), in his presentation pointed the achievements of the academy for grooming and preparing players for various Pakistan teams.

  110. #110 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2009 - 1:40 PM

    The IPL Drama in which Pakistani players are playing the role of extras.

    It is another funny story that Ijaz Butt and Wasim Bari have given NOC to the Pakistani players to play for the IPL in India next year.

    This is not just Butt or Bari’s domain. This is a matter of national security and concern for the national players. The decision to approve NOC must come from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Internal Affairs Security. This is exactly some of us have been raving and ranting from the time this news appeared in the media. But, how come the thick skinned BUTT and his fart catcher Bari don’t get this?

    Perhaps they have their own agenda. How they would be making money from this deal, I don’t know but, one thing is for sure that Butt will be there in every single match to watch the Cheer Leaders.

    How about putting Butt and Bari on the stand with the Cheer Leaders by making them wear mini skirts and tank tops? It would be some kinda entertainment when Bari, Bari both would be gyrating their Butts.
    😀

  111. #111 by newguy on November 26, 2009 - 3:41 PM

    Javed,

    India is bound to win the match. Proving me wrong that it is not going to be a draw. However, newguy’s theory is also wrong because the wicket is not favouring spinners but fast bowlers. Harbhajan in any match takes one or two wickets. But, it was Sreesanth who got most wickets.

    It doesn’t matter who got the wicket, pitch is still slow, Sreesanth bowled his heart out and got the wickets, otherwise SL would still be at the end of their 1st innings at least instead of being 4 down in 2nd. Either way this pitch looked like it will have result, it was a good toss to win.

    An excellent day for Test cricket yesterday all around. Pak / NZ match is alive, it is great to see a fightback from both Akmals. Terrific century on debut from Umar Akmal, especially after 5 down and looked like folding meekly. This is what Test cricket is all about. Already Intikhab Alam is praising him as a soon to be great and what not, I hope it does not get into his head, this is the problem with sub-continent. Pakistan should be able to save this test, and at the same time NZ has a chance too. I would not rule out Pakistan’s chance to win, with two days and the runs between team not so huge anything can happen, if they bowl out NZ for cheap in 2nd innings, it is tough but not impossible.

  112. #112 by newguy on November 26, 2009 - 4:03 PM

    On the IPL participation of Pakistani players, this is all about money, and politics. This is how things work in Indo-Pak relations, one year has passed, both sides have done some dramas to appease the public, now things will start moving towards peace, train journeys, bus rides and what not fake dramas will be held, until something else happen, then again back to the drawing board. Meanwhile, players will participate in IPL and WC will go on with Pakistan players participating in matches in India (if they get to semis) so on. This has been the politics in the sub-continent for many years.

  113. #113 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2009 - 7:14 PM

    newguy;

    Has Intikhab Alam ever made any sense in his comments? He is another Butt. Apart from Umar Akmal he was also commenting in support of Mohammad Aamer by comparing him with Wasim Akram. And, yesterday when asked about Saqlain Mushtaq – who is currently coaching spin bowling for NZ – he said, his coaching is of no use like Mushtaq Ahmad’s coaching is of no use for England. Intikhab forgets that he too was coaching Indian Punjab Team and at time it never occur to him that his coaching too is of no use.

    India winning this match against SL is a formality. Pakistan winning this match against NZ is a dream. They can only save this match if rain gods come to rescue them and which is likely to happen today.

    As regards Pakistan reaching the semis in the ICC WC, I think they will because by then Afridi will be captain and with his aggressive captaincy it is possible. Lets see.

  114. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2009 - 9:26 PM

    Tomorrow, Friday is Eid, a very busy day so please don’t expect comments on Eid day. But, may be tonight I will watch the matches on TV, but there is nothing much to write home about. The India / SL match is formality. There will be rain in NZ and not many are following Australia/ West Indies. There is no match unless Gayle gets mad and start hitting sixes and fours and Chanderpaul anchors the innings.

  115. #115 by Shoaib on November 26, 2009 - 9:29 PM

    Eid mubarik to everyone here 🙂 though its not the same, especially Eid ul Adha never be the same away from Pakistan. Anyway have a good one 😉

  116. #116 by khansahab on November 26, 2009 - 10:37 PM

    The return of Misbah is a sad day in the history of Pakistan cricket and symbolises what is wrong with Pakistan, where merit is ignored in favour of politics.

    Although people like Ijaz Butt are idiots, some of these decision makers are definitely wise enough to know who plays for the team, who plays for himself, who plays politics, who is ganging up against whom and who is settling scores with another.

    Malik’s persistent flaws outweigh his merits, which can only impartially be identified as two:

    1) His performance at no 3 in ODI’s under Inzamam, especially at such a time when Inzamam and Yousuf were not at their best

    2) His ethnicity and his statement on national TV shortly after becoming captain that he has Punjabi blood running in his veins.

  117. #117 by khansahab on November 26, 2009 - 10:40 PM

    LOL @ Waqar Younas:

    When Kamran Akmal hit a 4, this is what Waqar said,

    “That was a definitely Kamran Akmal down the wicket”

  118. #118 by khansahab on November 26, 2009 - 10:43 PM

    HAHHAHAHAHAHA

    Saeed Ajmal is bowling in this current Test, this is what Waqar says,

    “We have not seen Umar Gul yet bowling those doosras”

    This is like when Jayasuria became “Mohammad Jayasuria” and Sehwag became, “Virender Taibu”

    LOL

  119. #119 by khansahab on November 26, 2009 - 10:44 PM

    LOL

    What is Waqar trying to say here?

    “Test match cricket is a all about playing a lot of cricket!”

    WHAT!?

  120. #120 by khansahab on November 26, 2009 - 10:47 PM

    LOL LOL

    Waqar about why IPL is in India:

    “The idea is to have a cricket in India”

  121. #121 by newguy on November 26, 2009 - 11:42 PM

    Hi Guys, Eid mubarik to everyone. I know it’s important to you, so I understand why no cricket for a day.

    Pak has a chance if they bowl out NZ under 150, with just about 97 runs lead, they will need to get 4th innings around 250 to win, then they have a chance. This is what I meant earlier when I said they have a chance but tough. It’s not easy, they have to bowl their heart out and then bat too. Very very hard, but not impossible. As I write this NZ is 2 down for zero, so there is a start.

    NZ has a chance to win and it’s better than Pakistan’s chance. They have to put around 200+ on board and with 1st innings lead, if they bowl well with around 300 runs on board they can win.

    Rain is a probability, any more rains then chance of draw looms large. Or Pakistan could bat out 4th innings.

    Fact is this match is not done and dusted, anything can still happen.

    IND-SL is a formality, India should win, question is whether they will bat again or will SL fold today. Chances are they will fold today, with only two reputed batsman remaining.

    Aus-WI is not of much interest, except if WI starts playing well.

  122. #122 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2009 - 1:35 AM

    Imran Farhat should be dropped by saying YOU ARE DROPPED BECAUSE OF YOUR FIELDING. Go and improve it and come back after 12 months. He is such an asshole he dropped 2 in the first innings – one very important of Daniel Vettori and now in second innings, Taylor’s catch. He is just another Salman Butter fingered donkey.

    I have to admit that Waqar is a better commentator than he was a bowler. At least he makes us laugh. His bloopers are gems. One should collect them and write a book. The irony is, a lot of Paindoos think that he speaks very good English! In fact they also think Wasim also speaks very good.

    newguy

    Its not just important but, on Eid day either you are visiting friends and relatives or, they are coming to your place, so that’s why. But, trust me, Eid or no Eid, if its a holiday and if it was a India Pakistan match and, if it was live on TV, people would have arranged breakfast, lunch or dinner or, whatever at one place and watched it on giant TV screens.

  123. #123 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2009 - 1:53 AM

    The lead at the moment (lunch time) is 165 and if they add another 185 in two sessions it will be 350. Is Pakistan capable of making 350 in one day? They are definitely capable of getting all out in one day for sure. The weather is still OK, more overcast than yesterday but so far no rain.

    Apart from the first few overs of Aamer the ball is not swinging at all and Taylor is banging sixes and fours, even after lunch he is on the attack and now completed his 50. He might be able to make amends and score a century in the second innings.

    Praises from Pir Intikhab Alam over Umar Akmal that he has “A Great Future” is a bit too early. Agreed that it is his test debut and even before that he has proved his worth in the shorter version of the game by being an aggressive batsman. But, praises should be to the minimum or else they get into the heads of these youngsters and they think they are somebody!

    Gul’s bowling is worsening by the day and he is being thrashed all the time. He needs to wear a thinking hat and go and sit in the corner. Or, he should ask someone whats wrong with his bowling? Is there anyone else in the team other than Intikhab to give him some advise? Gul gave away too many runs to Taylor and he seems to be unstoppable now.

  124. #124 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2009 - 5:06 AM

    IF Imran Farhat had not dropped Vettori’s catch in the first innings, things would have been different now. Right now NZ are 136/7 and the lead is 233, instead it would have been the other way round and the game would have been in Pakistan’s pocket. But, there are IF’s and Butts in Pakistan team. Elliot is the only recognized batsman @ 19 runs if Pakistan can restrict the lead to 250-260 they have a chance on paper. In reality they are capable of crumbling like a cookie.

    Asaf will be pleased with is 4 wickets in first innings and so far 3 in the second, still I am not impressed by his bowling here. He needs to do a lot better to get back to his old rhythm.

  125. #125 by newguy on November 27, 2009 - 9:00 AM

    Like I said Pakistan has a chance if they bowl out NZ under 150, they have nearly done that, just two more to get, and then they are looking at around 250-260 runs with almost 3 sessions to play. Definitely gettable. Match is still evenly poised.

    India as expected won by a huge margin, it’s on to Mumbai for Sri Lankans now hoping to level the series.

  126. #126 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2009 - 11:42 AM

    Congratulations newguy – India won. But, Pakistan’s chances are only good on paper. They were 85 for 5 in the first innings, and do you think Umar Akmal will score another century?

    Omer

    Mohammad Ilyass is Farhat’s father-in-law right? He is only one of the selectors right? Then why is everyone so scared of him? Farhat is in all the versions of the game, that bastard has an attitude, even after dropping 5 catches he has got a smirk on his face. And, see how many runs he scored? Is it worth mentioning? I agree with you that this is how the Pakistani masses behave i.e., sucking up to the chamchas of a VIP or men in power. They do this even to their drivers and servants. But, then they also kick their buts when they are not in power.

    Yousuf needs some aqal kay naqoon, can’t he see that idiot is dozing off in the slips so someone else must stand in his place, dropping 5 catches is not a joke. Remember much before the team arrived I wrote in the other thread that the weather would be cold and Pakistani players will be wearing 2 sweaters and still feeling cold, they will drop the catches, rub their hands and look up into the sky as if complaining God for cold weather, jab kay itna thandaa bhee nahee hai.

    And, I also said they should have gone to the North Pole before going to NZ for acclimatization. I have seen this happening in England many times whenever they used to drop catches they used to rub hands and look at the sky.

  127. #127 by newguy on November 27, 2009 - 4:46 PM

    Javed Khan,

    But, Pakistan’s chances are only good on paper. They were 85 for 5 in the first innings, and do you think Umar Akmal will score another century?

    I didn’t say it was easy, first they have to get the remaining 2 wickets cheaply, then the top order has to fire. At least three or four from the top should get a half century, rest can chip in. It will have to be team effort. Given NZ is 8 down for 137 I don’t think it will be easy to bat last.

    But Pakistan has done well so far given they are in alien conditions with new captain, so on. If they show fighting qualities then can win. NZ will fight hard though, Bond & Co. will make whatever run they have to get difficult. I’d say NZ 60% chance of win Pakistan 40% chance of win and Draw 50/50 chance due to rain.

  128. #128 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2009 - 9:35 PM

    Hey guys, in between the visits on this hectic day, I am taking out some time to write. A lot of people are talking like newguy, which means your guess is as good as mine wali baat hai.

    Omer and newguy, have you guys heard of a TV box called “Jadoo” ? Someone who has, he said, all you need is that box (receiver) whatever it is and you don’t even need a dish, you need to connect it through your computer and then to the TV, the quality is not like HD TV but still quite good. He said, he is watching all four matches, SA/Eng, Ind/SL, Pak/NZ and Aus/WI, whereas I am getting only the first 2 on my TV thru Bell.

    I was so busy that I didn’t get any time to watch the SA/ Eng match except for SA’s last 5 overs i.e., when I was at some friend’s house and he was watching the match and then during the lunch break or innings break we left. And, now I checked the result….. England got crushed.

    I dunno why Parnel was not used in the previous matches? He took 5 wickets today and he is a very talented bowler. Unfortunately Duminy’s form is not good these days and he is getting out cheaply. From England’s side Collingwood is the only batsman who is consistent. A lot was expected from Morgan after Pietersen but Morgan was out on a duck and Pietersen is not scoring big these days.

    At tonight’s dinner, I might get a chance to see PAK/NZ if not in full at least half the match. I hope there will be no rain!

    Take care

  129. #129 by khansahab on November 27, 2009 - 9:50 PM

    How good is Gambhir?

    Harsha Bhogle

    Virender Sehwag thinks Gautam Gambhir is the best Indian opener since Sunil Gavaskar. He’s wrong, but in a rather pleasant kind of way, because it is not the subject of the statement but its maker who is the current holder of that honour. Sadly, it is not a particularly long list of players who qualify, and really, only Navjot Sidhu and Ravi Shastri can lay claim to the title. Both endured good patches and bad and so a fair assessment should only come after Gambhir has played about 50 matches, but if he continues in the form he is in, or even in relative proximity of it, he should prove Sehwag right. Between them they should be disappointed if they don’t emerge as India’s finest opening pair ever. The current incumbents are Gavaskar and Chetan Chauhan, a terrific combination, but these two should bat together for much longer.

    Gambhir is in the form of his life, 27 Tests having produced eight centuries. It’s the kind of start Andrew Strauss had, and indeed, for someone who goes through form swings Strauss has an extraordinary conversion rate of a century every 3.7 Tests (which is identical to Sachin Tendulkar’s conversion)! Gambhir currently scores a century every 3.4 Tests and averages almost 57. But it is in the last 16 months, really, that his career has taken off. In 25 innings he has seven centuries and seven half-centuries for an average of 77, and just as strikingly, has only one single-digit score. Followers of Test cricket, and they are still a pretty substantial number, will rub their hands in glee at figures like those.

    And yet Gambhir is not one steeped in orthodoxy, or indeed limited by the format he currently excels in. An outstanding CB Series campaign in Australia last year marked him out as someone special, and I have little doubt that if there were to be an IPL auction today, he would be on top of everybody’s shortlist. To that extent he is like the good old music director in the movies: not quite the classicist but equally at home with the raga and the remix, the folk song and the peppy dance number. And that is where he is creating a large gap between himself and other new-age cricketers like Rohit Sharma and Suresh Raina, whose infatuation with the short game is limiting their progress in other forms.

    I believe, and this is open to debate, that he is one of three finest young batsmen in world cricket, sandwiched for seniority between two South Africans, AB de Villiers and JP Duminy. De Villiers, in the middle of a pretty decent patch himself, and equally good in each of the three forms, averages 44 from 52 Tests, a number that is bound to go up, and Duminy oozes enough class to suggest that he would be a safe stock to invest in even if he is only six Test matches old.

    So what could come in the way of Gambhir? For a start, we don’t know how good he can be in Australia and South Africa in Test cricket, two places where India have traditionally struggled. Of his 27 Tests, 17 have been played in India and the rest spread between Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and New Zealand. You could say he hasn’t really been tested by pace and bounce, but you cannot pass an exam unless you have appeared for it. He has 12 months to prepare; indeed, the tour of South Africa will mark the start of a really stern examination for India, with a World Cup at home and away tours of England and Australia. He will be nudging 30 then, no longer able to slip into the “young” category, and that patch could well determine whether he has it in him to enter the portals of the greats.

    Sadly, it is unlikely his record will have progressed greatly till then because India are currently a bit allergic to playing Test cricket. When you are in the kind of form Gambhir is in, you want to play as much as possible, and with just three more Tests in the next 10 months, it is a pretty meagre diet he is on. It doesn’t help either that India are producing the kind of pitches that can only drive people away from Test cricket. I fear therefore that Gambhir might well be the last major Indian player whose career could be assessed by a Test record. Now that’s something to think about.

  130. #130 by khansahab on November 27, 2009 - 10:28 PM

    Omer

    He actually hints that Gambhir needs to be assessed on non flat tracks first. He has played the vast majority of his Tests in India, but he averages 89 in New Zealand whereas Sehwag averages a mere 20. Pity.

  131. #131 by newguy on November 27, 2009 - 10:50 PM

    Omer/Javed,

    Arre yaar forget who said what, I am not so much of a I told you so guy anyway, but I am talking in general about the probabilities in this match, all outcomes are still possible on the 5th morning and that is wonderful. Now, if the match is to have a result, NZ innings should end pretty soon, if they go beyond 1 hour in the morning then the positive match result will start disappearing.

    About the box, Jadoo, I never heard of it, but I know some of the Desi restaurants in my area has a way of telecasting matches and I don’t think it through dish, I watch the sopcast like Omer does.

  132. #132 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2009 - 1:18 AM

    At Lunch, Pakistan are 53/3, another 198 to win in 65 overs i.e., IF and if they stick to the wicket. See how good the opening pair is? Especially Imran Farhat Chariya! He should be out of the team. And, I am not impressed by Khurram Manzoor either they simply cannot stand in front of Bond.

    Don’t expect anything from Shoaib Malik either, his form is pathetic, the only innings he played was in the ICC WC against India and he is in the team because of that century. So, who is left after this pair, Kamran Akmal? But, he has already scored some 80 plus in the first innings and Umar Akmal scored a century one cannot expect a repeat performance in the second innings, if they then it would be an exceptional thing. In the end it all boils down to one thing or one person and that is the skipper himself. Is Yousuf going to play a match winning innings here today? Lets see, Na Ghora Dooor Na Maidaan Dooor.

  133. #133 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2009 - 1:27 AM

    Has anyone read the news item BLIP IN THE REVIEW SYSTEM? If not please click on the link and read it. It is an interesting issue that needs to be tackled.

    http://www.cricinfo.com/nzvpak2009/content/current/story/436872.html

  134. #134 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2009 - 5:53 AM

    I watched Pakistan’s cricket team demise in the first test live on TV. At one time when Malik and Umar Akmal were playing it seemed like Pakistan will make it, but then Malik got out in a very silly way. It was a rising delivery and Malik couldn’t move himself away from the line of the ball and the ball was almost to his face level while he was on his toes and lifted his bat high instead of keeping it low and successfully managed to nick the ball into McCullum’s gloves. Earlier Moulana Yousuf also got out in the same fashion but instead of bat the ball touched his glove.

    Umar Akmal’s dismissal was very soft, he gave a return catch to Bond who made no mistake. But, before that Kamran Akmal who started very aggressively got bogged down as the ball was reversing and Kamran played 3 dot balls and then a single and Umar misjudged the slowness as well as the reverse swing and scooped the ball into the hands of Bond. The match was over by then, because Kamran had lost his momentum and the next over he was out LBW. Although he appealed for height but, the ball was clipping the leg stump and he had to go.

    Shame on the openers specially Imran Farhat should be sent back to Pakistan for dropping 5 catches and for playing such pathetic cricket. Yousuf’s 41 or Malik’s 32 were of no use, they should have played a big innings instead of leaving a big and a heavy burden on the shoulders of young Umar Akmal’s 75 in the second innings is a class act. He should be the man of the match, but I dunno who actually got it and I am in no mood to check in cricinfo as it is too later here.

    If Pakistan cannot improve their fielding then they will lose the second test also. Someone was saying if Mibah replaces Farhat, at least there will some improvement in the fielding department, because Misbah relatively has a safe pair of hands and is a much better slips fielder unlike the butter finger idiot Farhat.

  135. #135 by khansahab on November 28, 2009 - 8:21 AM

    Omer

    Don’t you realise that Sehwag has been playing on the same pitches as Gambhir for most of his career? I don’t understand how you can applaud Dravid and Sehwag for scoring on these pitches, but when Gambhir or Tendulkar do the same, you say that they were flat tracks.

    Your problem is that you have one set of favourite players and you will use whatever argument to support them or hold them out as better than others- unfortunately to a neutral mind, that is called “bias” and “nonsense”.

    90% or more of the world’s pitches are flat to some degree or the other- it is a means of seeing more boundaries and sixes because that is what the crowd wants to see. Sehwag’s best performances have come in India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka and he has feasted on mediocre bowling on flat tracks, too. His good knocks against Pakistan have come when people like Akhtar, Sami, Razzaq etc could not ball straight to him and most of the boundaries were easy pickings.

    I never said Gambhir is a legend, or “a great” in the sense of how we speak about Dravid & Co. But, he is a great talent and the signs are definitely there. Whether you like it or not, he is scoring more than Sehwag, gaining more popularity than Sehwag and if form permits soon he will be considered a better player than Sehwag.

  136. #136 by khansahab on November 28, 2009 - 8:31 AM

    Terrible loss for Pakistan at the hands of NZ. Shoaib Malik with his 32 did not help, same mediocre performance. Fawad Alam needs to open but his Test career may already be over, if Misbah takes his place in the 2nd match.

    The first person to go must be Malik. Malik and Farhat must not be in the team.

    The way Pakistan lost this was pathetic considering that NZ is amongst the lowest ranking teams with only 2 world class players- Vettori as an all rounder and of course, Bond. What do you expect from Pakistan when Malik, Farhat, Manzoor are in the team and Yousuf is out of form?

    Umer Akmal played magnificently, he is the one of the best young players in the world.

  137. #137 by khansahab on November 28, 2009 - 8:40 AM

    Omer

    I saw that, Aamer was splendid. The kid has great talent.

  138. #138 by khansahab on November 28, 2009 - 8:47 AM

    I was reading on the internet, someone is comparing Umer Akmal with Tendulkar.

    It is too premature, Akmal is fantastic, an absolutely superb young cricketer but it is way too early to compare him with Tendulkar. Tendulkar has created magic, done the impossible, played special and extraordinary shots and Akmal is yet to achieve all that.

    But the kid is amazing, and all the best to him.

  139. #139 by khansahab on November 28, 2009 - 1:39 PM

    Omer

    If Malik is not dropped for the 2nd Test, what will your reasoning be for this?

  140. #140 by newguy on November 28, 2009 - 2:18 PM

    I couldn’t believe Pakistan lost the test when I woke up this morning. When I went to sleep things were going smoothly with both Umar Akmal and Malik playing comfortably, bowling wasn’t threatening, and Pakistan needed 90 runs to win with 7 wickets in hand. I was very sure between Umar, Malik, and Kamran they had the batting to see through a fantastic victory.

    I thought it was perfect setup, like I said even before NZ played their 2nd innings limit the target to 250 then 3 top order batmen bat well. They ended up losing the match from winning position. The senior batsmen is to blame, it should have never come down to Kamran Akmal and Umar Gul in the first place. Forget openers falling cheap, Yousuf and Malik are to blame, if both of them scored another 20-30 runs then the scenario I said would have come true, three fifties and some contribution from others. Both Yousuf and Malik got out with 40 and 30 and this is showing lack of application from senior batsmen especially when you are looking at golden opportunity to win the Test.

    Umar Akmal played brilliant, to score 200 plus runs on debut on a sporting wicket on first tour abroad is no mean feat. He should not let whatever people are saying go to his head though. Comparisons with Tendulkar and others should be left off. Between him and Aamer, Pakistan has found two match winners at the test level. This is remarkable given everything going on in the country and the politics of cricket administration. Raw talent still exists in Pakistan, which has always been Pakistan’s strength.

  141. #141 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2009 - 2:54 PM

    While some people are busy making comparisons to praise Umar Akmal and Mohammad Aamer, others are busy trying to find something to defame them.

    A few days ago when I posted that link, rather a SHOSHA from cricinfo written by Harsha Bhogle that he is waiting for a confirmation about the age of a young (U-19) fast bowler and the Indian fans and supporters started pinpointing their fingers at Pakistani players, some started digging old graves and talk about Shahid Afridi’s age.

    Now, at some blogs they are talking about Mohammad Aamer that he is not a 17 year old kid. What is the problem with his age? Why can’t they simply accept the fact that he is 17 years and a few months old? When Tendulkar made his debut he was 16 something, did any Pakistani fan or supporter doubted his age? Why is this age thing always bothering them?

    I don’t need to repeat what I wrote earlier that the appearance and physique of youngsters in certain demographics is not the same as other regions. Pathans and Punjabis look older than their age, they are bigger, taller and more robust. This thing will never get in to the small heads of some of these people and they keep doubting all the time.

  142. #142 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2009 - 3:00 PM

    I agree with newguy and I have also written the same thing in my previous comment that Mohammad Yousuf and Shoaib Malik are responsible for the defeat. They are the senior players and they should have played with more responsibility. Malik’s earlier caught and bowled chance was spilled and we thought, especially after he hit a straight six that today he is going to make amends and score a match winning innings but, the way he got out was really stupid and pathetic.

    Very recently I saw Tendulkar playing a similar ball bowled at him, and he watched it very carefully and then, at the last moment he touched the ball with his bat and guided it over the wicketkeeper’s head for a four. Whereas, Malik took the bait and simply guided the ball into BB Mac’s gloves.

  143. #143 by Mohammed Munir on November 28, 2009 - 8:23 PM

    Most of the comments on LS are so predictable …

    1 – Nobody praised much Mohammed Asif, although, he was playing Test after a long time but was our best bowler with total of 8 wickets (Shane Bond also took 8) 4 wickets in each innings.

    2 – Lot of blame for Shoaib Malik (I agree he was bad), but not the worst.

    3 – No one openly wanted to criticise Fawad Alam.

  144. #144 by Mohammed Munir on November 28, 2009 - 8:26 PM

    ** Oopps …

    Shane Bond also took 8 (5 & 3), while (4 wickets in each innings were for Asif).

  145. #145 by khansahab on November 28, 2009 - 10:26 PM

    Munir sahab

    Why should we openly criticise Fawad Alam, when he is only a newbie in the team? Don’t you criticise your senior players more?

    We have not criticised Manzoor, Yousuf and Farhat that strongly too. Fawad has to his credit that he has scored a big century on a seaming track. And we have praised Umer Akmal and given him his due. Yousuf is a senior player, but not criticised that strongly because he is a proper batsman and the best batsman in the team, not a third class club level player like Malik. So when Yousuf does not perform, you say he is “out of form” and you complain about his form and application, but you don’t hate him strongly and you don’t suggest he should be sacked from the team, because he is a good player. But Malik should NOT be there in the first place.

    I don’t know why you see things in a Fawad Alam vs Shoaib Malik way. Malik is a senior player who has never played an innings of significance in Test cricket. The whole Malik bashing is because he is not a Test player, and he is undroppable from the squad. That is the whole point of this criticism. I don’t know why you can’t see things this way. This guy has been supported by politics for many years now whereas he should never have played Test cricket.

  146. #146 by Mohammed Munir on November 28, 2009 - 10:45 PM

    Khan Sahab …

    I agree with most of what you have said about Malik, but I would blame a few others too. Yousuf for sure, as he should have played with more maturity instead of hitting 7 boundries and a six in his 41 runs. There was enough time and no need for any urgency, all they needed was to stay in there and the runs would have come.

    Secondly, you have said so often that playing in National team and that too at Test level is no place to come and learn and gain expereince. So what is this ‘newbie’ thing about Fawad ? If Umer Akmal could play, so could have anyone, if they wanted to show more comittment.

    Further why should we not blame Manzoor and Farhat ? Anyone playing at this level is not here to have a free trip like Ijaz Butt. All should be held responcible and criticised equally.

    Finally, you haven’t said anything about Asif 😉 I mean the guy is playing Test cricket after a long time and he took what like 8 wickets, moreover, we lost this Test due to our batting, as our bowling was good.

  147. #147 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2009 - 12:29 AM

    Munir

    To add some more points to your observation which you think that we are all so predictable I also have the same views about you. That you leave no opportunity in saying things that are not fair and reasonable, but when cornered you come up with a wink.

    To remind you that none of us (except for Awas) had spared Younus Khan also, in fact if you go into the archives and look for my comments, I said i.e., when the first T20 WC was scheduled in SA and the final was between India / Pakistan. Before the team selection I said, it is good they have dropped Yousuf and they should drop Younus Khan also because he is not a T20 player. And, when he got Imran Nazir run out, we blamed him for that because, being a senior player and knowing that Nazir had hamstring problem he should not have asked for that single on which he got run out. Otherwise he was playing well and hammered Sreesanth for sixes and fours.

    I criticized Younus for his captaincy and his stupid comments during the press conference. Just because Pakistan won the second T20 WC he got so much praise for being a good captain. Whereas, the truth is Shahid Afridi single handedly won the last 3 matches of that T20 WC.

    Whenever I had praised Afridi, I was criticized but, whenever I criticized him no one acknowledged. Now, no one talks against him because he has been playing well, I mean apart from his bowling he regained his batting form. I would still recommend him to become the captain of Pakistan team for ALL THREE formats of the game.

    And the PCB should not only ask Afridi but force him to play for test matches. He cannot be picky and choosy, he has to play for the country. If, it is Ramadan and if it is in a hot country then that is another matter. The PCB or the ICC should be blamed for arranging matches during Ramadan.

  148. #148 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2009 - 12:50 AM

    Munir

    Another point: You are saying: “the guy (Asif) is playing Test cricket after a long time and he took what like 8 wickets…” this is not a point to make an excuse or to praise someone that you must spare him because he is playing after a long time. If he is not fit and if he is not in form, he should not play, it is as simple as that. But, that doesn’t happen in Pakistan.

    Misbah has been dropped for poor show and consistent bad form and then he is brought back into the team after a few weeks. What miracles has he performed during these few weeks? He wasn’t playing any international cricket when Pakistan team had gone to Dubai and New Zealand, he was in Lahore and Mianwali snoozing and doing whatever. Suddenly he is considered as the best option, how come?

    Farhat’s selection is based on a “parchee” so is Malik’s case. They are in ALL three squads. Whereas, neither of them deserves to be in the squad in ANY format of the game.

    There is another very good batsman called Saeed Bin Nasir, I don’t know whether he is a Punjabi, Pathan, Mohajir, Sindhi or whatever. But he performed very well in the domestic matches but, he was not even called in the camp for selection. He couldn’t get into any of the Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar or Sialkot teams so he had to go to Baluchistan and play from there.

    He did not spare any of our Heroes like, Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul, Sohail Tanvir, Rana, Rao, Ajmal or any other fast bowler or spinner and thrashed them for sixes and fours. He made several hundreds and has a good average in first class cricket. But, he was never selected for the national team.

  149. #149 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2009 - 10:33 AM

    Today, so far it seems like it is England’s day or should I say Jimmy Anderson’s day? He took 5 for 22 and South Africa are 93/8. Should this be a one sided match? We don’t know how England will bat and how SA will bowl? But, so far its been a good game from England’s point of view.

    English bowlers have targeted JP Duminy by bowling him short pitched deliveries and he has been a victim so far and has not been able to score in this series yet. He is in the playing XI because of his reputation. The ball of the match so far has been bowled by Anderson when he clean bowled Mark Boucher.

  150. #150 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2009 - 10:33 AM

    Today, so far it seems like it is England’s day or should I say Jimmy Anderson’s day? He took 5 for 22 and South Africa are 93/8. Should this be a one sided match? We don’t know how England will bat and how SA will bowl? But, so far its been a good game from England’s point of view.

    English bowlers have targeted JP Duminy by bowling him short pitched deliveries and he has been a victim so far and has not been able to score in this series yet. He is in the playing XI because of his reputation. The ball of the match so far has been bowled by Anderson when he clean bowled Mark Boucher.

  151. #151 by R on November 29, 2009 - 2:30 PM

    “He did not come to the field next day and told the media he is nursing his injured ankle.”

    He did bowl 7 overs and took the wicket of Moin Khan on the third day.

  152. #152 by Pawan on November 29, 2009 - 3:19 PM

    Great win by India! Sree has come back and has taken the role of new ball bowler as fish to water. His seam position was perfect and his line and length were ideal for the wicket. Bhajji and sir-pe-bojha bowled well and deserved more wickets.

    Batting has been top class for quite a few years now. Gambhir has settled into this opening role nicely now and is, as someone rightly said, one of the young cricketers to watch out for. Sehwag was at his dominating best, killing the confidence of the Lankan bowlers, especially Mendis. Poor chap was hammered top down and bottom. Life has come a full circle for this guy. I hope he recovers from this molestation. The chuck-de-fatte highest wicket taker was also taken to the cleaners. Rightly said, he should now think about retiring. Who-is-this-Herath took 5 wickets adding to the dilemma of selection for the under-fire Sanga. The woman in the team (mahila) could not perform in this match and hence the batting collapsed.

    Closing in on the first spot in test rankings, this Indian team is truly one of the bests and deserves all of this, just that it needs to tighten its bowling, running between wickets, fielding and a little more confidence in their abilities. But that would only happen in a utopic world. So lets just cherish in whatever we have.

    In the mean time, hard luck for Pakistan. Aamer looks to me a one man army. Yousuf is too sluggish as a captain and burdening one of the only test class batsman in the team with captaincy is beoynd me. Had it not been for Akmal brothers, this match would have been over a lot earlier. Although it looks a tight finish, NZ would be really happy because they did something which not a lot of teams are capable of – winning the match after losing first few sessions. Why try Farhat again? Poor guy Alam will loose his place if Misbah is in. Instead drop the dropper Farhat and play Alam in opening position. Bowling has come good for Pakistan and looks like there is a lot of potential there. It is only the batting which is concern. Ideally in this form, even Yousuf would not make it to the team, but since there is so much dearth of batsmen, he is not only the lead batsman but also the captain. Younis is too emotional and ego-centric (which mostly go hand-in-hand :)). Anyways I wish all the best to you guys.

    Take care

  153. #153 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2009 - 3:46 PM

    My dear “R”

    When I wrote that thread, I did not invent any news from my mind or from thin air. I remembered that incident because, at that time I was in Pakistan and I was watching that match live on TV also following the media reports.

    I knew what happened, I saw Dravid calling back his men by waving and behind him was Ganguly standing there with a smirk on his face. I could see the mischief or what we call “there is something more than what it meets the eye.” It was a deliberate ruse from Ganguly to use Dravid’s shoulder and prevent Tendulkar from scoring a double hundred.

    Now, for you to stay cool, first of all I did not say he did not play AT ALL. And, what I wrote is correct, he did not play for a certain period of time. Perhaps you would never believe my words because, you are a Tendulkar admirer and I am not important for you to consider that I can be right because what I wrote is something against Tendulkar’s reputation and dignity.

    Therefore, I had to get that info and spoon feed you (by the way how old are you?) And, this is from rediff.com which is an Indian website and not a Pakistani, so there is no element of bias or misrepresentation of facts. In fact all the Daily newspapers in Pakistan covered this incident and speculated that Tendulkar is so angry he may not play! Anyways, here is the link and the news clipping from it:

    http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:ImVMcbwjy3IJ:www.rediff.com/cricket/2004/mar/29tendulkar.htm+Multan+declaration+Tendulkar+did+not+play+second+day&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca


    “There was speculation when Tendulkar did not come out to field after the Indian innings was declared, but the ace batsman, who is one century behind the world record of 34 by former India captain Sunil Gavaskar, cleared the air saying he had tweaked his ankle in the second last over of the Indian innings and decided to play it safe by icing it in the dressing room.”

    He did come out to play the next day and Dravid had confirmed that he had a sleepless night and then he went and talked to Tendulkar and apologized and cleared the air or the misunderstanding. And, btw I am aware that he took 2 wickets in the first innings and one of them is of Moin Khan.

  154. #154 by M. Y. Kasim on November 29, 2009 - 10:13 PM

    Hi all…. Eid mubarak to all

    I was not feelng too good physically lately and still am not upto it. But somehow or other keeps myself informed about my passion, Cricket.

    I know several of you enquired about me. I am deeply touched and have no words to express my gratitude.

    Thanks all once again.

  155. #155 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2009 - 1:08 AM

    MR. M. Y. KASIM

    It is really good to see your comment. I am glad that you are able to comment despite poor health. I was wondering if you are OK? Thank God, you are. Please keep writing, even though it is a one liner.

    Best wishes and regards
    From ALL of us here on LS

  156. #156 by Mohammed Munir on November 30, 2009 - 11:13 AM

    Javed Khan, Khansahab and Omer …

    Shoaib Malik and the Seniority Issue :

    First and foremost, let me start with accepting Malik as a mediocre player of the team, but I must state this also that there are players in this current team who are more pathetic then Malik, so why blame him only ?

    Today Malik have become one of the senior most guys, while a few months back when Younis was playing, Malik was getting away being a not so senior player.

    I have seen a lot of comments on LS blaming Malik during Sri Lankan series and saying that ‘Malik was not held responsible because all the blame was going on seniors (who at that time were Younis & Yousus)’. Yes I agree Malik was getting away but peoples use to say that he should be held responsible even though he was not the senior most, what has changed now ?

    Secondly, Mohammed Asif have taken 8 wicket and still you think he is not bowling to his potential ? And I didn’t see even a single sentence praising him. I agree Aamir is a better prospect and he too bowled well and he is definitely a better batsman then Asif, but in this specific game he is the one who did not bowl to his full potential.

    Javed Khan …

    I did never mention Dubai, Afridi or Younis Khan in my initial comments so I would rather refrain from dragging them directly in our discussion.

    M. Y. Khan …

    Good to know you are keeping well and our most sincere wishes for your health.

    Where is Awas these days ?

  157. #157 by Mohammed Munir on November 30, 2009 - 11:29 AM

    Javed Khan …

    And, the reason you are picking up @ Fawad Alam is because your expectations from him are higher than that of Farhat and Manzoor. So, khansahab’s point is valid that you expect more from the seniors and when they don’t perform or deliver you get more upset. But, here you are not upset but trying to make your point by saying you have your favourites and your targets. I will repeat this phrase again, ‘a mind can only see what it is prepared to see.’

    What a beautiful paragraph you have drafted and I agree with almost all of what you said specially … ‘a mind can only see what it is prepared to see’.

    It works for all of us … doesn’t it ? 😉 (Now how could I not put a smiley here)

  158. #158 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2009 - 1:49 PM

    Munir

    You think the phrase that I had quoted is meant only for you? Besides, you call your wink a smile?

    I think you have missed out not only a few comments but, a lot of them and even a thread in which we criticized Younus Khan. We not only criticized his captaincy but, his goofiness and his screw ups and his lax attitude, we called him Dummy Captain, Drama Khan, Niswar Khan you name it. So much so that fellow left the team. But, Malik? He is not only a pretty ordinary player but, that BC is a pukka, pukka meesna and a bay-ghairat, who will never go on his own unless he is kicked out of the team.

    As a captain he ruined the team spirit and destroyed people’s careers and even now he plays dirty politics and his performance is not only below par but, it is pathetic yet he is still there in the the squad for ALL three versions of the game! Is this not an irony for the Pakistan cricket team?

    Malik has the audacity and the cheek to proclaim himself as the best all-rounder in the country and, on what basis? Salman Butt, is constantly failing as a batsman and also as a fielder he is pathetic. Imran Farhat got one chance and he proved to be one of the most negative players in the team with 5 dropped catches and a highly insignificant contribution in batting. In fact, even that was a negative contribution, because he threw up his wicket and placed others under pressure.

  159. #159 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2009 - 2:28 PM

    Munir

    I don’t want my comments to be too long so, I am writing another one on Asaf.

    First of all, from my point of view Asif should not be in the team at all. Whether he takes 8 wickets or 10. His inclusion in the team has sent extreme mixed signals to the young fast bowlers in the country and dented their hopes as well as given them some encouragement. Denting hopes that you cannot get a chance as long as some well known names are around and giving hopes is when you get a chance as a fast bowler then, take wickets in the first match and become a hero.

    The reason I don’t want Asif in the team is because of the bad examples he has set along with Shoaib Akhtar. When he was new and I saw him bowling, I was so full of praise for his talent (never gave him undue accolades such as Sheikhupura McGrath etc.) and his art for swinging the ball both ways with ease and without making much difference in his bowling action. And, above all his accuracy and his wicket taking abilities and I wrote all that on cricinfo, you can dig out and read those comments, if you wish to.

    The praise and accolades showered by the media and fans got into his head and his first blunder was getting involved in that Nadrolone business. Even then, on cricinfo I supported him on the basis that he is innocent unlike Akhtar and that assumption was based on his naivety and his paindoo pun. He got too close to the wrong guy and paid a price for his promising career.

    Then with the same guy he had a brawl in the dressing room in SA before the first T20 WC and made a mockery of himself, the team, supporters, fans and everyone.

    Then, he become a junkie, alcoholic and a drug addict and his bowling form declined so much so that in the IPL he was sidelined and then we all know what he did after that. I mean the Dubai trip and the so-called salajeet, opium, whatever that drug that was found in his wallet and the whole episode was an embarrassment for the entire nation. He was banned only for one year. That’s a slap on the wrist.

    We all know that if a person is caught with drugs in Dubai, he gets a minimum of 5-10 years of imprisonment and in countries like Thailand and Saudi Arabia the punishments are extremely harsh. Asif was not even sentenced for a day other then the few days he was held at the Dubai airport, that’s all.

    The so-called senators, ministers (in reality the janitors) of Pakistan got him out by saying he is our “celebrity” and how can we leave him there in Dubai jails? So, this is a clear example of hypocrisy, nepotism and khulee dhandlee that there are two set of rules, one for celebrities and one for the common man. Like, Wasim Akram went unpunished because of his celebrity status whereas, others were penalized. Why???? Why not all or, whoever is found guilty should not go unpunished. And a slap on the wrist is not a punishment.

    Asif’s arrogance was contagious that Sohail Tanvir became his first victim (Asif inherited from Akhtar and passed it on to Tanvir) and my view is, by giving Asif a chance in the national team is like putting Aamer at risk. It is so unfortunate that when a senior player or a mentor is there, he is supposed to pass on the good things to his juniors or his protege but, here its the opposite.

    After all, Aamer has emerged as a young new talented fast bowler and the team is better off without Akhtar, they can be better off without Asif too.

    Keeping aside my personal opinions and my personal biases against Asif, I was expressing my views from the game perspective that he is still not bowling to his potential (barring a few overs in the second innings) and that is my view, you may look at it from a different perspective.

    There are hundreds and thousands of Charsees and Druggies in the country and everywhere, and I have nothing against them, its their life, their choice and they want to live like that. But, when someone is representing your nation, your country he is taking that responsibility in his hands he is under oath which is unwritten and unspoken, that he/she will not ruin the reputation of the country. Once is a mistake, but repeat offenders have no place except, —- you know where? But, definitely not in the team.

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2009 - 2:19 AM

    A BLESSING IN DISGUISE FOR PAKISTAN

    Bond is out of the entire test series against Pakistan. The bowler who took 8 wickets in the first test, the main threat to our Kings & Maliks will not be playing due to a torn stomach muscle. So Malik & Co. must be happy. But, the million dollar question is: Are they going to take advantage of his absence and win the remaining 2 tests?

  161. #161 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2009 - 2:02 PM

    Hello “R” Where aRt Thou?

    Did you read my comment number 222 i.e. in response to your comment number 220

    So, what do you have to say? No comments? Good 😀 Thanks.

  162. #162 by R on December 1, 2009 - 6:28 PM

    Sachin not taking field took place on the second evening and not the next day as you had said.

    Any source for Dravid apologizing to Sachin?

  163. #163 by khansahab on December 1, 2009 - 7:47 PM

    Fans of Shoaib Malik have already started saying that Fawad Alam should be dropped for the 2nd Test and Misbah should replace him, and that Malik should not be dropped.

    This is the height of bias, these biased MF’s have no conscience. Malik has been a loser in Test cricket all his life and Alam has provided hope, being a rare Pakistani batsman who played well on a seaming track and scored a century. Yet, that was not enough for him cement his place in the side and be tried for a few more Tests without the worry that there is a guillotine above his head.

    For players like Malik, we can make exceptions and give them repeated chances on the basis of performance on flat tracks and scores of 30 on seaming tracks. But for Fawad Alam, one strike and you’re out.

    This biased approach has killed Pakistan cricket.

  164. #164 by khansahab on December 1, 2009 - 7:49 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Your analysis on Asif is very honourable and I totally agree that Asif should not have been excused with a slap on the wrist.

    I also agree about what Malik has done and his nature as a person and professional cricketer.

  165. #165 by khansahab on December 1, 2009 - 7:53 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Inti Alam has said Misbah will definitely play in the 2nd Test. He has hinted that Manzoor, Farhat and Fawad Alam will be dropped.

  166. #166 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2009 - 10:20 PM

    “R”

    “Any source for Dravid apologizing to Sachin?”

    Now, please do some homework yourself, search the Indian newspapers and the Indian websites during those dates. I wrote, what I have read, like I have said earlier I am not creating a story to criticize anyone and neither I am going to spoon feed you again to please you.

  167. #167 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2009 - 9:07 AM

    Omer, First of all its a bit of an exaggeration that there were millions of Mullahs misleading the masses. And, on Shahrukh Khan, you are not getting my point and trying to make a generalized comment by talking about Mullahs and hypocrits, as if I am supporting the Mullahs or the hypocrites?

    Shahrukh Khan is a celebrity and has hundreds of millions of fans, mostly young ones, teenagers etc., and they consider him as their icon and they believe in whatever he is saying. He can practice whatever he wants to but, he has no right to say that it is OK to be “Aadha Teetar and Aadha Batair.” Or, “Na idher ka na udher ka.”

    As regards alcohol and prostitution it is not a 35 year old problem but its been there 5000 years BC. You will always find people who consume alcohol or indulge in prostitution in every society, culture, country and religion. This does not mean that alcohol and prostitution is OK.

  168. #168 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2009 - 9:14 AM

    Sri Lanka started well and then there was a mini collapse and now Dilshan with his second hundred of the tour has stabilized the innings. When on 93 he jumped out of his crease and lofted Ohja for a straight six just 2 balls before tea. Right now SL are 234/4

    I have heard about Inzamam ul Haq taking naps while fielding in the slips but, I was shocked to see Sehwag and Yuvraj Singh yawning just before the tea interval. About 15 minutes before tea Sehwag misfield a shot that went for a four and after that he was caught yawning. And about 12 minutes before tea, Yuvraj was caught yawning.

  169. #169 by newguy on December 2, 2009 - 1:34 PM

    At the end of Day 1 SL is well positioned in the 3rd Test against India, but India has not lost control over the match totally, this means direction of match depends on how soon they can get the last two wickets and then more importantly how well they bat in their 1st innings.

    Dilshan played really well, in fact all of the SL batsmen tried to attack from the beginning and tried not to give momentum to the bowlers.

    As Javed Khan wrote, Dilshan hit a six on 92 with two balls to go for tea, I think he was trying to get his hundred before tea, and almost messed it up with last ball. Dilshan is trying a Sehwag here I would say, these days you see more and more people trying to follow Sehwag, in the last test match Gambhir tried to get to his hundred with a six, but ended up getting a four, he still got his hundred with it, but he was clearly trying to hit over the rope and the ball just bounced in front of it. He too is trying to emulate Sehwag, between Dilshan and Gambhir I would say though Dilshan’s style is more closer to Sehwag, in terms of aggression and scoring rate, but he has long way to go before he can match Sehwag.

    A good match in progress I think, let’s see what Murali can do, lots of folks commenting Murali will be handful with the pitch offering turn and so on, but I think Herath will be the real one and Murali will be playing support role.

    Good news for Pakistan is that Shane Bond is not playing the remaining two tests, without Bond the attack lacks penetration, but remains to be see how much Pakistan can capitalize, especially the top order.

  170. #170 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2009 - 3:01 PM

    newguy

    Dilshan is unlucky or you can say Harbhajan is lucky to get his wicket when he was clearly NOT out. The ball was no where near the bat or the gloves, it hit him on the knee roll of the pad and replays confirmed it, commentators lamented it. One can argue that the umpire may have missed it from the distance but, I don’t understand how the close-in fielder Vijay could even claim it as a catch? And, Harbhajan joined his appeal after a fraction of a second because the ball went up and there was Dhoni’s call “catch it” which he does on every second ball.

    The way Angelo Mathews played against Indian bowling specially against Harbhajan is commendable, he is a very talented youngster. As regards the pitch there is no life in the pitch, neither for spinners nor for fast bowlers. Harbhajan got 4 wickets but, that doesn’t mean it is assisting spinners. Had Dilshan remained at the crease, they would have made 400 on the first day.

  171. #171 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2009 - 3:15 PM

    It is very strange to see comments coming from Inti Alam instead of team captain. For the preview Daniel Vettori talked about missing Shane Bond, from Pakistan’s side one would expect the captain to talk something about his side or about his players. But, this has become a regular feature that instead of the captain Intikhab Alam is briefing the media with his braggadocio, he too is talking about Shane Bond instead of talking about his own team or his players.

    Tuffy will play for NZ and he is a good fast bowler, in windy and overcast weather conditions which suits the home team and the weather conditions are totally alien to Pakistan’s home condition, they will have difficulty facing the swinging bal. Rain is likely to effect the game on the first three days, so nothing is good for Pakistan. As it is there is:

    Opening Conundrum
    Middle Order Conundrum
    Late Middle Order Conundrum
    Bowling Conundrum
    Fielding Conundrum

    Is there any slot, any department where Pakistan can say we are strong in this department.

    As expected you will see Butt replacing one of the openers and Misbah is definitely playing and peut etre Kaneria too in place of Ajmal or may be Gul? I won’t be surprised if Gul is dropped and both spinners are used. The question is why Shoaib Malik is not bowling? His batting form is pathetic and still he has been selected as a specialist batsman.

    Saad Shafqat writes on cricinfo (he even wrote here on LS a few months ago) and has dedicated a thread on questioning why Shoaib Malik is not opening for Pakistan? And, why he is not bowling?

  172. #172 by newguy on December 2, 2009 - 4:38 PM

    Javed,

    Regarding Dilshan dismissal, yes it was a poor decision, but these things happen, we do not know yet if this is a match turning decision or not, I would say if it happened on the 3rd or 4th innings then it has a larger impact on the match, Dilshan could have gone on to score more runs or he could have got out the very next ball, his style of play is such that he could get out trying something risky.

    About Inti Alam coming out to talk to media, I saw it during the post match presentation that Yousuf is not comfortable talking to media, I guess he does not speak English? He was speaking in Urdu and Inti Alam was translating the same thing in English, so I assume it is because Yousuf not comfortable speaking English. It is very well possible then he decided to skip all contact with media except the ones like post match commentary. I guess he should still come out and speak in Urdu and let Inti Alam translate, that is the right thing to do.

  173. #173 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2009 - 5:52 PM

    newguy

    During Dilshan and Mathews partnership, it was Mathews who was scoring most runs and it was expected that after making hundred Dilshan would have gone berserk but, Mathews was doing so well that he remained quiet on the other end just like Sehwag does at times. Anyways, turning point or not, it was a bad decision by Nigel Long and you don’t find such things on record, the only thing that stays in the record books is the stats. And Dilshan should be content with his hundred.

    As regards Inti Alam, its not since Yousuf took over the captaincy, he has been doing since a long time. He thinks he is more qualified and more deserving than anyone else in the team hence he talks to the media. And, I do agree with your view that Yousuf should speak in Urdu and let that idiot translate it for him.

    Tuffey’s record against Pakistan is very good, he has taken 24 of his 66 Test wickets against Pakistan, which is more than one third or 36.36% to be precise.

  174. #174 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2009 - 1:11 AM

    This is Pakistan’s team for the 2nd test:

    Salman Butt, Imran Farhat, Misbah-ul-Haq, Mohammad Yousuf*, Umar Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal†, Mohammad Aamer, Umar Gul, Mohammad Asif, Danish Kaneria

    Dropping Fawad Alam was expected, but I cannot believe that Imran Farhat is still in the team? Are these people out of their minds? I don’t give a tosh even if Farhat scores in this test match. They should not do this to Alam i.e., keep dropping him every now and then. By doing so, they are creating doubts in his minds that he is not that good. And whenever he is selected he is under stress to perform. Whereas, this MF Farhats, Maliks and Butts get selected all the time so obviously after failing umpteenth number of times they score once to get selected again.

  175. #175 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2009 - 1:42 AM

    Pakistan is batting now and scored 4 runs in 42 balls. What a great start! Wah, Wah.

    Imran Farhat is still on a Duck after playing 3 maiden overs. He would have been run out on a Duck had the ball hit the stumps. What a load of MFB he is.

  176. #176 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2009 - 12:39 PM

    Misbah, Malik & Co. have done another HUGGA

    What a load of cow manure! I simply cannot believe the way these batsmen (barring the Akmals) are playing in NZ. Its a shame that the senior most player Moulana Kaptan ul waqt, hazrat-e-stroke maker, record tore, tabar tore, maahir ballay baaz, Mohammad Yousuf is playing like a novice.

    Butt and Farhat took more than 200 balls to score those 50 odd runs between them. And, look at Ch2So4 Malak Tullay Baaz, once again he could not make it to double figures. He is a good for nothing bustard and he is still in the team on the basis of his ‘once upon a time hundred in test cricket.’

    It is time for the BUTT HEAD Ijaz to call back Farhat, Butt, Malik and Misbah and ask Shahid Afridi to go and play for the country and IF he does taalam tolley then he should be kicked out of the ODI and T20 also. Abdul Razzaq should have been in the test team, his record against NZ is very good.

    With Younus, Afridi and Razzaq in the team and Fawad Alam opening with Kamran Akmal they will be a better team otherwise, they will create another record here by losing the test series for the first time.

  177. #177 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2009 - 5:01 PM

    To score another 7000 runs at an average of 50 runs per innings, Sehwag needs to play 70 test matches or 140 innings. It means India needs to play 14 test matches each year in the next 5 years, by then Sehwag would be 36 years old. Theoretically possible but, not likely to happen.

  178. #178 by khansahab on December 3, 2009 - 8:22 PM

    Wasim Akram will be making his Bollywood debut in a movie called “Patiala House” which is coming out next year.

    We knew sooner or later we would see him in movies.

  179. #179 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2009 - 8:44 PM

    khansahab

    The reason Wasim Akram is appearing in Bollywood movies kion kay baycharay ko BV ka gham ghalat kerna hai, like an Indian Hero goes to the bar or, a Thurra Khana and all of a sudden starts drinking (alcohol) pocho tou jawab milta hai; “gham ghalat ker reha hoon.” Means trying to forget the woes and sorrows or to get rid of the memories.

  180. #180 by newguy on December 3, 2009 - 10:02 PM

    Unbelievable knock from Sehwag. I got up this morning to see the scorecard and even for Sehwag’s status this was unbelievable. 284 not out in a single day is the stuff people imagine but does not happen real, in fact he did not even play full day as SL took 30 mins to wind up their innings. Had he batted for the full day he would have reached 300 which only Bradman has done I believe.

    I hope he gets his 3rd 300 tomorrow and possibly go on for the 4th hundred, but chances are unlikely he will get to Lara’s record even though he is capable. It’s just easier to set records than break them.

    On Sehwag overtaking Tendulkar, no chance, statistically impossible as Javed Khan wrote. No other player except Ricky Ponting stands a chance to break Tendulkar’s records for most test runs and most test hundreds, but that is only if Tendulkar will retire and give Ricky a chance 🙂

    But this is irrelevant, Sehwag is not playing for records like that, his achievements are already unparalleled. I have not see such kind of destruction of a bowling line up, even Viv Richards in his pomp did not violate bowling attacks like Sehwag does.

    I watched the highlights, and at times I felt sick watching the carnage, you got to feel for the bowlers, Sehwag was mercilessly hitting them left and right, they kept trying new things and he kept finding new ways of hitting them. Murali was violated so badly that his face was looking very upset. On top of that he was dropped on 273 by Mahela off Dilshan. Too bad, you don’t drop a player like Sehwag, not when he is on zero and not when he is on 273.

    Should be an interesting days play tomorrow.

  181. #181 by newguy on December 3, 2009 - 10:11 PM

    Javed and/or Omer,

    Tell me one thing, who introduced Islam in subcontinent, was it Ghauri, Ghasnavi, or was it the mogul kings starting from Babar?

    We read in our history books that both Ghuari and Ghasni (Ghasnavi) were foreign invaders who came over hindu kush mountains, plundered valuable things and left, and the scenario repeated several times. Mogul kings however is treated more favorably, quite understandably since they were not invaders, even though they captured territory and established their rule over northern part of the sub-continent and spread Islam including even forced conversions they were also considered to have contributed to the culture, education, early infrastructure and development of the whole region.

    Babur I believe was considered to be more of the invaders category where as his followers were considered in better light, especially Akbar.

    I believe the history prior to that consisted of three major dynasties, Gupta, Maurya, and later Ashoka who was a descendant of Maurya. I think before that things were a bit hazy, there was of course the Mohan Jo Daro and Harappa civilization before that. But we don’t know much about people during that period, do we?

  182. #182 by newguy on December 3, 2009 - 11:36 PM

    Omer,

    U.S military is not going to leave Afghanistan in 18 months, not without defeating or driving away Taliban, more importantly U.S military is not going to allow Talibanization of Pakistan, number one reason is the nuclear weapons Pakistan posses. America and other nations cannot let Taliban get hold of this. I believe Obama is wrong in setting the 18 month timeline, I understand he did this to appease his liberal left wing supporters who oppose any war, he himself being a liberal Obama is not comfortable with this, but he went along. But he will not be able to pull out the troops and leave Pakistan to it’s fate, if as you say Pakistani military cannot fight the tribes. I don’t know why you say this, but Pakistani military is not so weak, they have the ability to fight, the question is whether they want to, and do they have a civilian leader who can unite the country and command the military, I guess the answer is no they don’t at the moment. This is the danger in Pakistan.

  183. #183 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 12:52 AM

    Tuffey and Vettori shared the honours for NZ with 4 wickets each and thanks to Akmals, Aamer and Gul, they added some respectability to the total. I was expecting they may not even make 200 but 264 is reasonable to defend, IF they bowl well.

  184. #184 by Shoaib on December 4, 2009 - 1:58 AM

    Omer,
    There is no such history of raping women by Ghauri, Bin Qasim or Ghaznavi. You should be careful in uttering such allegations. i neither have time nor energy to write the whole article on it but few words i am copying from Wikipedia:

    Sultan Muḥammad Ghorī had no heirs and thus he treated his slaves as his sons. It is said that he trained thousands of Turkic slaves in the art of warfare and administration. Most of his slaves were given excellent education. During his reign many hardworking and intelligent slaves rose to positions of excellence. Once a courtier lamented that the Sultan had no male heirs; Ghorī immediately replied:

    “Other monarchs may have one son, or two sons; I have thousands of sons, my Turkish slaves who will be the heirs of my dominions, and who, after me, will take care to preserve my name in the Khuṭbah (Friday sermon) throughout these territories”

  185. #185 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 1:59 AM

    Aamer strikes early and got rid of Guptil, the only difference this time is NZ has changed the equation. In both innings of the first test they were 0/1 and now they were 1/1, so there is improvement. And, now after Lunch Asif got McIntosh Chocolate for 4. The most amazing thing happened and that is Salman Butt took the catch to get rid of McIntosh.

    newguy

    Are you going to sleep early today? The match starts at 11:00 p.m. EST and it is only 2 hours away, so aren’t you going to watch Sehwag completing his 300 and keep on bashing the Lankans?

  186. #186 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 2:07 AM

    Shoaib

    Also the allegations against Mohammad Bin Qasim that he raped the daughters of Raja Dahir were also baseless.

    The story goes that Raja Dahir’s daughters asked Qasim to send them to Iraq to meet the Governor Hajjaj as they wanted to embrace Islam and marry him, so he sent them. When they reached Iraq, they told Yousuf Bin Hajjaj that Mohammad Bin Qasim first used them, raped them and then sent them to the Governor as a present. Since Yousuf Bin Hajjaj was known to be one of the most ruthless Generals of the Umayaads he got very furious and ordered his armies to repatriate Qasim by stitching him inside the hide of a cow/buffalo. And, on his way to Iraq Qasim died of suffocation. That was one of the brutal acts of Hajjaj Bin Yousuf.

  187. #187 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 2:51 AM

    Is Taylor a Sri Lankan by origin? 🙂

    His name is like a Sri Lankan, LRPL Taylor or Luteru Ross Poutoa Lote Taylor. It is like, DMPD Jayawardene or whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever Welegadara.

  188. #188 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 2:52 AM

    My bad

    I cursed Taylor, he is OUT. Bowled by Umar Gul.

  189. #189 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 2:56 AM

    So far the fast bowlers are bowling well for Pakistan, each got a wicket. And, the way Taylor got out is very surprising, he left it, completely misjudged and got bowled out. It is 52/3 and they should keep the pressure on to contain them and make mistakes.

  190. #190 by newguy on December 4, 2009 - 3:13 AM

    newguy

    Are you going to sleep early today? The match starts at 11:00 p.m. EST and it is only 2 hours away, so aren’t you going to watch Sehwag completing his 300 and keep on bashing the Lankans?

    I am going to stay awake and see if Sehwag gets to 300, let’s see how he plays today.

  191. #191 by newguy on December 4, 2009 - 3:29 AM

    Javed,

    Regarding the history books, I don’t know why you say Akbar is Great is used to appease the Muslims in India, and likewise Alexander the Great and Asoka The Great. These people are called great because they have done some great things, at least, according to the written history. Of course as they say history is written by the winners and it is always twisted a bit to suit the point of view presented. However, I think there is evidence that Akbar did greater things for the development of the region during his rule. Why would it be written to appease Muslims? If a ruler has done something good, whether he was Muslim or anyone, then credit must be given. Why was Babar not given the title of Babar the Great then? could have been done so to appease Muslims. Likewise Alexander the Great is not given by Indians, it is how Alexander is known the world over, we can debate the greatness, but that is a different issue.

    Same for Asoka, he has done several things that equal greatness, if it was to appease Hindus then why not someone else?

    Lastly, about Nathuram Godse, the guy who killed Gandhi, everyone knows his name, it is in the history books, the book of course did not say he was an RSS man, I don’t think there was Shiv Sena then, nor VHP or any of the Hindu groups, only RSS. Coming back to the books though, they don’t say he was an RSS man, but clearly it is said he was a fanatical, it’s clear without spelling it out, to every kid that reads the books who he was, and who under whose direction he was acting under (Golvalkar founder of RSS), and why he was doing it (RSS was angry with Gandhi trying to appease Muslims and he was planning to travel to Pakistan to show his affection). So, everyone knows it, did you know RSS was banned in India for several years following Gandhi’s death? I believe up until the 80’s RSS was a banned organization. This is when the more softer political organization of Janta party was created, which later became Bhartiya Janta Party (BJP), and who sets of groups under the umbrella like VHP, Shiv Sena, etc came up.

    This is one of the truths everyone in India knows without having to write on the books, same goes for Babri Masjid demolition, everyone and their brother in law in India knew for the last 17 years who was responsible for the demolition of Babri Masjid, and the fact that BJP leadership knew and was aware of the plan well ahead. It just took the commission so much time to come up with truth. But the truth did come out.

    So, in this respect India has always upheld justice eventually. I know you don’t have such a great opinion about the secular democracy in India, it may not be perfect, but it works, sometimes slow, but it is not totally unjust, and fairness do exist in the overall sense.

  192. #192 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 3:56 AM

    newguy

    I will reply to your comment and Omer’s last one later, may be tomorrow. Because, by now it is late here and most importantly I want to watch Sehwag’s 300 live on TV and that is more important than having this debate. But, just to mention this, we had this debate last year on Nathu Ram Godse, as well as the RSS and Shiv Sena (just a change in name) and also about the history text books in India and about Akbar the Great. I don’t want to say much about Alexander and Asoka because I don’t know much about them. But, I do know a lot about Akbar, check out the Mogul history it was not in Akbar’s time that he had the biggest empire but, it was during Auranzeb’s time but, because he was a conservative Muslim as opposed to Akbar he is considered as a villain and Akbar who was more liberal and wanted to marry Joda Bai created a new religion Deen-e-Ilahi is considered as Akbar the Great.

    Laterssssss.

  193. #193 by newguy on December 4, 2009 - 4:06 AM

    Javed,

    You said:
    Auranzeb’s time but, because he was a conservative Muslim as opposed to Akbar he is considered as a villain and Akbar who was more liberal and wanted to marry Joda Bai created a new religion Deen-e-Ilahi is considered as Akbar the Great.

    This is true. I never Akbar was considered great because he expanded the empire, he was secular, and he was liberal as you say, and he did not ill treat the Hindus as much as the other Mogul rulers, people like Babar and Aurangzeb. Also the pillaging and killing of Hindus by invaders are deliberately left out of Indian history books, they are there, but not to the extend of what has really happened, like mass massacres and things like that. Why? Just imagine if such things are filled into the head of modern day Indians today, with majority Hindus it will be really hard to keep down hatred and communal violence. So, let history rest in peace, future is more important.

  194. #194 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 4:13 AM

    Oh NO

    What a soft dismissal and Sehwag misses his 3rd triple ton by 7 runs. Shucks man, there won’t be fun anymore after his departure.

  195. #195 by newguy on December 4, 2009 - 4:18 AM

    Right, Sehwag missed making history by being first man to score 3rd triple ton. Such a disappointment, I had this feeling after the first few deliveries that he may not get there, because he was taking singles and was a bit tense may be. I sensed this when Rahul Dravid jumped out and hit a six in the previous over, he was trying to release tension for his partner.

    But Javed bhai don’t lose heart, Tendulkar will look for another hundred today 🙂

  196. #196 by newguy on December 4, 2009 - 4:24 AM

    What is happening in the Pak-NZ match? NZ batsmen are falling over one by one, 85/5 for now and Pakistan in a very good position to wipe out the rest for cheap and get a big lead.

  197. #197 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 4:54 AM

    Yaar, I was watching the tussle between the highest wicket taker and the highest run getter and it was very amusing to see how Tendulkar was milking fours. Two of them very impressive on the leg side especially when Murali’s intent was to bowl him through his legs and had two close in fielders on the leg side and yet Tendulkar hit two fours.

    Another one was very difficult, Tendulkar premeditated that shot and jumped out of his crease, Murali saw him and bowled it closer to his pads and Tendulkar who was planning to hit straight over Murali’s head for a six, changed the angle and closed the face of the bat and played a ground shot through the mid-wicket region. You cannot learn to play such shots they come by instinct and no wonder he is so good at it. Dravid’s patience were tested and I was surprised that after leaving 4 balls going wide outside the off-stump he played the 5th one to get out.

    Now, I am a bit shocked here to see the collapse of NZ and they are all out of 99. Come on now Bay Sharam Farhat and Butt, put on a big partnership and the same goes for Malik and Misbah and put NZ under so much pressure that they cannot make it.

  198. #198 by salman on December 4, 2009 - 6:49 AM

    Dear Javed,

    with all the respect I have for you regarding cricket etc you come up with something like “Even in their own history text books up to pre-grad level they don’t mention who killed Gandhi? The children have been told that one bad man killed Gandhi. They don’t want to mention that it was Nathu Ram Godse who was a Shiv Sena Bhagt, a Hindu Fundo from Maharashtra and they created this “Stop Gandhi Movement” and assassinated the poor man”.

    This is so utterly false. I was born and educated in India and I knew at the age of 10 that Gandhi was killed by Nathuram Godse. And so did all my friends, because it was in textbooks ( by the way Shiv Sena did not exist at the time- – – or for the next 30 years). As regards your statement about Prithvi (named after Prithvi-Raj Chauhan), Agni, Surya and other missiles named after Indian heroes and Gods , you are right. But are you saying that Ghaznavi and Ghauri are Heroes of Pakistan and if so, why ????

    In my high school the history books had detaled duscussion about the Slave dynasty [Iltutmish (Altamash), Balban etc], Khilji dynasty (Alauddin, Ghiyasuddin etc) and Mughal dynasty. Indeed, the Indian ICSE History syllabus has more Muslim kings than Hindu.

    I think that this is what is lacking in an average Muslim (not lacking in Islam, because Islam is perfect), but an average Muslim who has this tendency of “the world against me”. Well in today’s world it is true to some extent. But having lived in India, I can tell you that Muslims have the freedom and the support to do most of what could be done within the laws,Gujarat notwithstanding, because just like many innocents lost their live in Godhara and in Meerut ( latter in 1987), many innocents non-muslims lost their lives in Kanpur and Rampur(in 1989 and 1992).

    Have you heard of any other country in the world with 2 different civil laws, one for muslims and one for hindus? If a Muslim marries 4 times , it is fine in India but not for a Christian or a Hindu. The discussion whether it is right or wrong to have differing civil laws is another discussion, but it just goes on to show that India has tried to accommodate.

    Yes, I know about Assam and Tamil Nadu and Kashmir etc etc, but this is a price one has to pay for living in a tolerant multi-religious , multi-cultural society. there would always be people who would want to be “independent”, like Bangladesh for eg, (who are still searching for the answer to the question as to why did they become indepenedent!!!) but looking at the bigger picture,India has done alright.

    Both of our countries have lots of maladies to deal with. But one should confine oneself to commenting on his/her country’s problems, rather than commenting on others. The fact of life is that, as a nation India has somewhat matured (despite a multi-relgious and multi-racial society) but Pakistan has not. It is not what I would like to see, but it is a fact. And I hope it changes.

  199. #199 by Shoaib on December 4, 2009 - 11:49 AM

    Javed @ 286

    very well said, ”I am agree with you :)”
    Sorry life is too hectic at the moment, i got exams, work and a little annoying business, I am just so tored now but i need to keep going like that till mid of December.
    gtg,

  200. #200 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 3:13 PM

    Salman;

    From the way you write and express yourself and, knowing you that you are a doctor and living somewhere in Australia, I am sure you are not from the current generation or a generation before that, hence your claim about reading the assassination of Gandhi by Nathu Ram Godse is mentioned in the history books of India is right.

    I am not talking about your generations time, which could be two, three decades ago but, today’s generation. And what I mentioned in my comment is not wrong or false. So, please do not say or assume that I create stories out of my mind. I don’t write anything casually unless it is a joke or, I am in a light mood to change or break boredom.

    Now, here is a link from the Indian Daily “The Hindu” which you will not deny it as a cheap tabloid, it is a very well reputable newspaper in India and respected by many. The author of this article is Supriya Roy Chowdhury and she is a Bengali Hindu not a Muslim. So, first read the article using the link below, I guess she is from your generation because of the way she started this article by saying: “THOSE WHO went to high school some two or three decades ago, would remember that many of us wrote an essay, annually, around this time of the year, on Gandhi….”

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/2003/02/04/stories/2003020400561000.htm

    Here are a few excerpts from that article for those who skim read or find it a bit hard to go through the details can read this excerpts only.

    “We have grown up now to write history for our children. The NCERT’s Contemporary India (Class IX), in the series of Textbooks in Social Sciences describes the moment of Independence thus: “The Muslim League communalised the country’s political situation… The bitterness created by the Muslim League produced dangerous results. The common people were subjected to senseless brutalities….”

    “(pp 157). The chapter on Independence ends without a single reference to Gandhi’s assassination. Nor is there any reference in the subsequent chapter on the Indian Constitution to his killing, or to any other aspect of his life and ideas. This is the history text that 14-year-olds all over the country who study the CBSE (Central Board of Secondary Education) syllabus must learn from.”

    “random check of school history texts in classes V and VI revealed the same silence. Curiously, the history text for class X in the ICSC schools, although it provides a much more balanced account of Independence and of Partition, similarly makes no mention of Gandhi’s assassination. Thus, the killing of Gandhi, which is, historically speaking, an inseparable part of the moment of the nation’s freedom and Partition, is wiped out in one stroke. “


    “Our children, then, must grow up not knowing that Gandhi was killed. That Gandhi was killed by a Hindu. That his killing, was, indeed part of a wider political current which resented Gandhi’s acceptance of Muslims as part of the Indian nation.”

    Salman,

    please read the article with your utmost attention, because I know Omer will skim read it and he will try to digress from one subject to another by pinpointing some other aspect and, by quoting some other version of history from some very unauthentic source or a hate website only to make his point.

    I have always said that Gandhi was used by Sardar Wala Bhai Patel and Jawaharlal Nehru and his father also by a few other leaders after reading the paragraph of Supriya’s article which I am quoting below, I am more convinced about what my elders have told me about the history of India and this you may not find in Indian history books either. “In a certain sense, Gandhi’s assassination was well timed. The nation had just been bifurcated. The Congress, instead of dissolving itself according to Gandhi’s preference, was preparing for the business of governing; Gandhi had been sidelined from his commanding role in mainstream politics to that of a messenger of peace moving from one prayer meeting to the next.

    You say: “one should confine oneself to commenting on his/her country’s problems, rather than commenting on others.”

    Salman we are not talking of Zardari and Manmohan Singh here, we are talking about the pre-partition history which was India, Pakistan and Bangladesh and we have one common history. Do you think I don’t criticize or comment on Pakistani politicians, cricket players etc? So, what is wrong in discussing or commenting on this matter?

    About the background of the party which pushed Nathu Ram Godse to assassinate Gandhi, I have written it before on this very blog, now I have to dig out that information to prove a point or, should I say ‘to substantiate my claim’.

    Remember, by changing names the ideology and the manifest of a party does not change. For e.g., MQM was known as Muhajir Quami Movement and now they are still MQM but they say we are Muttaheda Quami Mohaz. Therefore, the people from Maharashtra who march with Vande Matram slogans may have a different banner at that time but, they are still the same people with same ideology. I will write on this later.

  201. #201 by M. Y. Kasim on December 4, 2009 - 8:30 PM

    Shiv Sena is the off-shoot of Rashtriya Sveyem Sevak Sangh = RSS, the most feared and hated Hindu armed gang of Hindu Mahasabha.

    The current Bhartiya Janata Party is the off-shoot Mahasabha.

    After Gandhi’s assassination, both these parties were banned.

    Even today, all these parties are reffered to as “Sangh Parivar”.

  202. #202 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2009 - 10:14 PM

    Mr. M. Y. Kasim

    Thanks for the few lines you wrote, most people who have not read history are not aware of the developments which are not recorded in history books especially the text books. Like you, some of my older relatives narrate certain incidents which happened during their youth and they remember it very well but, those accounts are not in the books. But, I believe what they say because, they have experienced it.

    For example we might be able to tell our children about how Zardari came into power from the backdoor and how Nawaz Sharif used Justice Chaudhary and how ruthless his brother Shahbaz Sharif is, but on records they will write both Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif have done a lot for the development of Punjab by building roads such as the superhighway from Lahore to Islamabad etc. Or, how PML(Q) and PML(N) were created an what were the main differences etc. etc.

    Similarly, people will not be able to connect the links between RSS, BJP and the current Shiv Sena or Hindu Mahasaba parties. It would be too much for me to get all those details and write them on this blog and yet no one will read it. Because, this is just a blog. I think we would be better off discussing cricket 😀

  203. #203 by newguy on December 5, 2009 - 5:54 AM

    I guess I was wrong about Asif when I commented before the start of the series that he is past his prime, he is proving to be a match winner, 3 top order wickets in no time and at a very good economy rate, to go along with 4 wickets in 1st innings.

    There is only one result possible in this match, there is no way NZ was going to win chasing 400 odd to begin with, and the early strikes by Asif has sealed the game in favor of Pakistan. It’s only a question of when the match will get over and how much is the margin of win.

  204. #204 by Mohammed Munir on December 5, 2009 - 5:56 AM

    I agree with Javed’s last comment, “I think we would be better off discussing cricket”

    Cricket it is, and Pakistan is in really good position in this second Test and they SHOULD win it from here.

  205. #205 by Mohammed Munir on December 5, 2009 - 7:33 AM

    LOL @ Shoaib Malik’s consistency.

    LMAO @ Sunil “Bakvaskar” 😉

    The name just suits him so well …. Ism-e-BaMussama.

  206. #206 by khansahab on December 5, 2009 - 8:18 AM

    Misbah replaced Fawad Alam, but what good has he done? He has put down a catch off Kaneria, he made 54 runs in this Test at a strike rate of about 35.

    He is batting at no 5, if Fawad was batting lower down he would have scored more. The ball was swinging profoundly when Fawad was batting.

    That is why I get amazed at these decisions, rather than trying Alam at no 5, they are sacrificing him and playing Misbah. Umer Akmal does not need to worry about failing in a few matches- his place is now secure, but the team management never let Alam secure his place. There was always a sword dangling over his head.

    Before the squad was announced we had heard rumours that Misbah would make it into the squad and I had said straightaway this would hurt Fawad Alam. How strange that a player who makes 168 on a seaming track on debut, has to contend with this that if he fails in 2 innings consecutively, he will be replaced by Malik or Misbah? Whereas, Malik and Misbah have a record of inconsistency and poor performance, but they don’t get sanctioned like this?

  207. #207 by khansahab on December 5, 2009 - 8:25 AM

    Omer/Javed A Khan

    Sehwag was outstanding in this match and I straightaway wanted to do a thread on him when I saw his score and strike rate, but did not do so because could not get the time.

    You can say that Sehwag’s presence makes the batsman at the other end feel comfortable and even the newbie Vijay scored heavily, but the other way of looking at this is that the pitch is so easy to bat on that even Vijay made 87 at a strike rate of 72. I disagree with Omer that the pitch has some life, it is totally lifeless and I have seen the highlights. Sehwag defended when the ball was swinging initially, but once it stopped he launched this assault. The ball was coming onto the bat very nicely and it looked like a club level player could perform well on this pitch.

    I am only saying this because Omer straightaway said that it was not an easy pitch to bat on, which I disagree with. Almost every top and middle order Indian batsman scored at least a 50.

    As far as the knock goes, it was extraordinary and catapults Sehwag into the “legend” category. Surely, he is one of a kind and has no match.

  208. #208 by khansahab on December 5, 2009 - 10:18 AM

    People have contrasting views on the Mughals who ruled India for centuries. My view is that, good or bad, they have contributed much to India in terms of literature, architecture, development etc.

    If there was no Babar, there would have been no Shah Jahan. 15 years ago when India was not considered an emerging global power as it is now, the Taj Mahal was one of the very few things India was renowned for globally.

    Aurangzeb was known to be a religious extremist; who is an extremist is up to personal definition I guess. But, Aurangzab was fearless and there were some good qualities in him, such as humility and simplicity. For a large part of his life he stitched prayer hats and made his income doing that and when he died, he only had a pittance in his purse. There is a very famous incident when he was on the battleground and at prayertime, he laid his prayer mat and started praying. He got wounded by a few arrows but his enemies were struck by his devotion to God and his courage- they surrendered to his army after watching the commander perform prayers amidst arrows and swords.

    I consider Aurangzab to be a great Mughal for these reasons, and if he was a religious bigot, that is the only blemish about him. He had most of his brothers and sons executed, but in those days people would do anything for power.

    I also consider Babur to be a great Mughal, because he created something out of nothing and acquired a vast empire with a very small, but courageous and skilled army.

  209. #209 by newguy on December 5, 2009 - 2:32 PM

    Khansahab,

    My views on Mogul rulers are similar to yours, they contributed to the development – architecture, education, infrastructure, literature, arts, and not the least culinary skills. Where would India be without good old Biriyani, Goat curry, Beef roast, Parathas and the like 🙂 We will be eating Ghaas poos.

  210. #210 by khansahab on December 5, 2009 - 3:19 PM

    PCB chief’s “close relative” clings on to CFO’s post despite expiry of deadline

    LAHORE – Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt is yet appoint the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) despite the expiry of the deadline (November 30), which was set by the Governing Body (GB).

    The post has been lying vacant since last year after Arif Kichloo resigned. Instead of appointing an experienced person on the important post, Butt appointed his close relative Mohammed Naeem to look after board’s financial matters, on an honorary basis.

    Later, the Board members decided to allow Naeem to work till March 31, 2009, to be followed by the appointment of a full-time CFO.

    Naeem’s tenure has been full of controversies and insiders said he almost acts as the vice-chairman of the board.

    The National Assembly’s subcommittee summoned him twice regarding different issues, but he did not appear on both occasions. (ANI)

  211. #211 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2009 - 3:29 PM

    newguy

    It is good to know that you have a taste for Biryani, goat curry and beef roast……. you must visit our Bavarchi Khana page and contribute there, if you need any help don’t hesitate to ask for help. The culinary Chef is here to guide you and give you tips and recipes. 😀

    Parathas, Man I don’t know what I will do if I don’t eat parathas everyday. I am from that school of thought who believes in heavy breakfast and since childhood, as long as I remember, we always had parathas at breakfast. The bakery bread was given to us when we were sick as kids like any upset tummy, nausea etc., and that was soaked in milk. I hate that now.

    Even during Ramadan, at sehri time I must eat hot crispy parathas, omelet and left over curries or shami kebabs otherwise, its hard for me to fast. People think I am crazy, may be I am but I don’t care I have no weight problem even after eating heavy food, ice creams and desserts, I don’t gain any weight. I consider myself lucky.

  212. #212 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2009 - 3:51 PM

    No Omer, the history doesn’t start from the Moguls. If you consider yourself as a part of undivided India, our history goes back to the stone age era.

    I am emphasizing on “If you consider…” because, in the previous comments you said that when Ghauri was ruling or when those invaders attacked India before Ghauri, it was us. It is true it was us then. We don’t know when our ancestors became Muslims.

  213. #213 by khansahab on December 5, 2009 - 4:05 PM

    Omer

    I am sorry; I did not at all address you in that comment about Mughals.

    That comment was just a response to Newguy- I haven’t read your comments on the Mughals yet!

  214. #214 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2009 - 4:22 PM

    Although I said, that it is better to talk about cricket because people don’t read or skim read and then they express their point of view without going through what has been written by the other person. khansahab has answered some of the questions which newguy asked me or, responded to my comment a couple of days ago and I said, I will reply later and that is on Aurangzeb.

    There are myths and stories on Aurangzeb because he was more religious than all other Mogul Emperors before and after him. He was very honest, sincere, practical and pragmatic ruler. Who wanted to consolidate his empire and curb on lavish expenditures such as building monuments, forts and mosques. He used to tell people not to believe in fortune telling and become lethargic or complacent and ruin their lives by accepting that it is their faith, destiny or kismet and they cannot change it. There are instances and unauthentic reports of his killing people who used to make prophecies and predictions to prove them wrong. Yet, there is no authentic proof of it.

    There is a story about him, that Aurangzeb heard about a famous man whose predictions and prophecies were always right.
    The man lived far away from Delhi so, Aurangzeb and his childhood friend and companion Neamat Khan Ali set out to meet him like commoners. Upon knocking at the door of that man’s house a young girlcame out and her head was shaved (meaning she was a widow) and Aurangzeb asked if so and so lives here? The girl turned back and called. “Baba (father) someone is here to meet you.”

    Aurangzeb asked Neamat Khan Ali to turn his horses around and said, lets go back. And Neamat Khan asked him the reason? Aurangzeb replied, if this man is so famous that he can predict the future of everyone, how come he married his daughter to a person who died so early? As, they were about to leave, they heard a man’s voice from behind, saying: “Wait of Shahenshah-e-Hindustan, don’t go away.”

    Aurangzeb turned back and asked this man who is the Shahenshah? He replied, I know I am not, but one of you is the Shahenshah. Because, my ilm (knowledge) tells me that at such and such time the King of India or Shahenshah-e-Hindustan will come to my house. So, Aurangzeb went inside his house and talked to him. The man responded to his question that, he is not perfect only God is and he made a mistake in his calculations and that is why his daughter became a widow at such young age.

    Then he explained to him how he makes his calculations, Aurangzeb did not harm that man or said anything bad to him, in fact he agreed with him that it is knowledge but, man cannot perfect it, therefore, he must not practice or believe in such knowledge which could ruin your life.

    This is not a story but, it is written in one of the very old hand written history books that my family has. My father had some original old hand written books like, Diwan-e-Hafiz Shirazi, Khutoot-e-Ghalib, Maqtoota-e-Tib etc. Diwan-e-Hafiz Shirazi is about 600 years old with authentic stamps and signatures of Hafiz Shirazi. And, the Khutoot-e-Ghalib is about 150 years old also hand written letters by Mirza Ghalib.

  215. #215 by newguy on December 5, 2009 - 6:22 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Are you equating atrocities committed against innocents with how Al Qaida prisoners were treated? Al Qaida prisoners do not deserve the same kind of treatment as innocent civilians, tough luck if some of them died in captivity I say. I am not surprised liberal media such as CBC showing these things, may be they should give some of them place to live in Canada and see what happens.

  216. #216 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2009 - 9:43 PM

    newguy

    without even seeing those documentaries what they are about, you are making a judgment and sarcastically making a comment that they should be given a place in Canada and see what happens next?

    Why can’t anyone leave them alone in their own country and see what happens next? First of all what is Al Qaida or Taliban? They are the monsters that have been created by the US and, in the name of evil, a war has been raged against Afghanistan and the people of Afghanistan. What is there in Afghanistan and who lives there? And what are they (the US) going to achieve from this war? Like someone said, “even if you win a rat race, you will still be a rat.” That is so right.

    By the way Canada is not liberal, the Canadian soldiers are fighting in Afghanistan just because the Big Brother has ordered them to join them in the so-called war on terror. As regards the media, most of it is supporting the government, but then there are those who talk against and you call them liberal. Actually they are simply asking the basic questions which a common educated man is asking and not like an average dumb American who knows nothing about what is going on and why they are fighting?

    The documentary, “Taxi to the Dark Side.” is not about Al-Qaida, it is about a innocent taxi driver Dilawar. And, it is about how the Geneva convention rules are not applied. And, how some of the American soldiers who were involved in killing the people there have reacted now.

    And this is very ridiculous to say that, Al Qaida prisoners do not deserve the same kinda treatment as innocent civilians and if they are killed, tough luck…. wah, wah, you are saying that life of any human has no meaning and no value in your eyes. You are seeing them as labeled by the media. The media has created a cortical clutter in the eyes of the people because they are programmed by the Administration to do that and what people see through their eyes and through the coloured curtain is what they want to show it to the world.

    First of all it is the Saudis and the Egyptians and a few other Arab countries who are responsible for the 911 bombings and, there was not a single Afghani involved in it.
    The MF Bin Ladins were George Dubiya Bush’s family friends and so were the Talibans. The US is still great friends with the Saudi’s because of the axis of diesel and that Egyptian Chusni Mubarak took advantage of the situation and got all the 7 billion dollar debt written off and “La Vache qui Rit” lives happily ever after (that). And, a country (Afghanistan) whose infrastructure was ZERO is being bombed more than Vietnam was bombed.

    When all this will be over, and the American media and people will no longer be afraid of speaking the truth, just like they speak about Vietnam today, they will talk about the US atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan and then it would be too late to lament about it. That is what the CBC is talking about now.

  217. #217 by newguy on December 5, 2009 - 10:24 PM

    Javed,

    Ok, I do not want to get into this discussion – it’s not going to end, but I’ll say only this much to your question “Why can’t anyone leave them alone in their own country and see what happens next?”

    Who attacked first? I was watched live when those planes struck WTC, I lost a friend there in one of these towers and another one just narrowly escaped. I know you’ll say these are not Afghanis, but Saudis and what not, and then people go on to justify it by pointing at American military operations in other parts of the world, support for Israel, Palestinian plight, so on .. this is why I don’t want to get into this. But Taliban supported Al Qaida and provided a safe haven to from where they could plot the killing of innocent lives. So, they needed to be driven out.

  218. #218 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2009 - 11:00 PM

    newguy

    I also watched live on TV when the second plane hit the tower and I have also lost a couple of friends who were working for J P Morgan and even to this date no one knows for sure who is behind it? It is America who released the names and ID’s of those terrorist and even by that claim, not a single one was Afghani. And, what safe haven you are talking about yar? Those illiterate, uneducated duds, can they fly those complex gigantic planes with such perfection? Ask, any pilot and get his opinion first.

    I know this debate won’t end because those who are behind this have used the media and brainwashed people to the extent of not only believing in what they say but, also those who get brainwashed are propagating it and preaching to others and trying to tell them that this is the truth. Where as no one – except those who did – knows yet who’s done it? And, they want everyone to believe what they want them to believe. This is called, the hypnosis of the masses.

  219. #219 by newguy on December 6, 2009 - 12:11 AM

    Javed,

    I don’t believe in that conspiracy theory, that is 9/11 was an inside job. The guys who flew those planes were not so illiterate, and it’s not very hard to fly a plane with few hours of learning, especially when they don’t need to land it. Safe haven was given by Taliban, Mullah Omer and his cronies to Bin Laden, so he could have a headquarters from where he could plot these things. I don’t buy in to the theory that this is all a story to dupe the unwashed masses.

    If you remember an Indian commercial airline was hijacked couple of years prior to 9/11, and it was taken to Kandhahar, where Taliban allowed the plane to be landed and the hijackers them demanded ransom in lieu of letting go of the plane and it’s passengers. The ransom was to let go of their friends from Indian jail. Indian govt not having the muscle power and having no sympathy from the Taliban had to let go of these thugs. Was this also a conspiracy theory. Taliban supported such things. Besides let’s not forget the atrocities they committed against their own people, and the stone age laws they implemented. So, someone needed to give them a kick in the rear, and U.S did it post 9/11.

    I know there is a conspiracy theory that says it’s all about an oil pipeline and what not, like I said I don’t buy it, even if there is truth in that, the fact is Taliban needed to be booted out, and no one else had the courage to do it, except U.S.

  220. #220 by newguy on December 6, 2009 - 1:03 AM

    Javed,

    The point I was trying to make with my prior post is that Afghanistan was not so much of a peaceful place and American military came down and started torturing the people. Taliban rule was causing so much problem to the local population, there were public killings and torturing of people who disobeyed their twisted interpretation of Sharia, women were oppressed and demeaned regularly, young girls were not allowed to go to school, now I haven’t seen these things, granted, I only know this from what I heard from western media eyewitnesses, so I don’t have any other way of knowing this is truth or not, but I tend to believe these incidents were true.

    So the point I am trying make is that Taliban were torturing their people, and it’s not like had U.S not intervened things would have been so peaceful there, and I don’t believe locals would have dealt with Taliban, not before things got out of hand, may be a genocide would have been committed, and they would have given strong hold to Al Qaida to plot terrorist operation on other countries, including even Pakistan.

    It is in everyone’s interest that extremists like Taliban is dealt with.

  221. #221 by newguy on December 6, 2009 - 1:13 AM

    For the record, I consider all extremists groups as equally evil, and that include organizations like RSS, and it’s many clones. To me RSS and Taliban are two sides of the same coin, if you allow the extreme version of RSS to control government I have no doubt they would do equally atrocious things like the Taliban. Brutal stone age rituals such as Sati (where the widow jumps in deceased husbands burial pypre) were held in high opinion by extremists Hindus. There is a Hindu religious text called Manusmriti which lays out laws on how Hindus should live, there are extreme version of this text that some extremist Hindu groups want to be enforced. I consider this equal to the twisted versions of Sharia law.

    So, I consider all extreme views are evil, and I have no hesitation in calling it the way I see it when Hindu extremists do this.

  222. #222 by newguy on December 6, 2009 - 4:58 AM

    Hi Guys,

    Anyone watching the matches? I am sure Javed Khan must have been watching them live.

    Wonderful win for Pakistan and wonderful win for India.

    Asif has match haul of 9 wickets, how well he could have served Pakistan cricket had he not lost all that time, but anyway at least he got a chance to comeback and contribute to team win.

    Asif/Amer bowling and Akmal brothers batting has been the mainstay of Pakistan win, not just this match in the previous match too. Rest were just there for the journey. Maulana Yousuf contributed to 2nd innings score, so good for him.

    Great win for India, setup terrifically by Sehwag with his blazing 293, interesting to note that both wins for India were helped by pace bowlers taking 5 wicket hauls, Sreesanth in Kanpur and Zaheer in Mumbai, when most people would have though spinner would have dominated, spinners from both side did not shine that well.

    India go up #1 in Test ranking, staying there is going to be a problem, but still a wonderful achievement since it’s not easy to get there.

    Overall a good week of Test cricket.

  223. #223 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2009 - 5:10 AM

    Congratulations to Pakistan for convincingly winning the Test !!

    Mohammed Asif was the Man of the Match and rightly so, having taken 9 wickets including a 5 wicket haul in the second innings.

  224. #224 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2009 - 5:16 AM

    CONGRATULATIONS to ALL Indian cricket fans and supporters for not only winning the test series but, also for gaining the number one spot in the ICC World Rankings in test cricket.

    Pakistan won but that win is nothing more than a mediocre effort especially in view of the pathetic fielding, dozens of dropped catches, it makes them on of the worst teams in the world in terms of fielding. They must penalize the players for dropping catches by way of some fines, like 20% of the match fee per dropped catch. Only then they will realize the importance of catching.

  225. #225 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2009 - 5:21 AM

    newguy;

    I wasn’t watching the PK/NZ match because I was at a party and on telephone we were in touch with friends who were watching and the match was over before the party was over.

    However, I watched the “Antim Samaskaar” of Sri Lanka’s demise and the moment Sangakara was out after hitting the four, the result was not only obvious but, it happened sooner than expected.

  226. #226 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2009 - 5:49 AM

    newguy

    If you want to know the way life goes on in the tribal areas of Pakistan, which is called “Ilaaqa Ghair” you need to go and live there for a good period of time to understand the culture, read the history mix with the masses, try to learn the language and get the facts rather than relying on the western media, which is just a one sided story. Very few paint the real picture on the canvas, still not everything is covered.

    For thousands of years they had their own laws in that tribal areas or ilaaqa ghair and no doubt those laws were strict but, they still had schools for girls and they never said that they never wanted their girls to study. But, they definitely don’t want them to look like models and parade in public (though most of them are better looking than the models) but, those areas were never under Pakistan’s control. And, they have been living a life for centuries.

    If you go and start killing their sons and fathers under suspicion or arrest them because, some of their enemies took advantage of the situation and reported the authorities that so and so is Al-Qaida and the person may really be innocent but, he is gone, the US or the Pakistan or the Afghan armies may have arrested him, tortured him or he may have been shot and killed.

    Then, obviously their sons and fathers or brothers feel bitter about the loss of their loved ones (just imagine yourself in their shoes) and in their culture, taking revenge is in their blood. They are groomed like that for centuries. If someone kills a person, the child is groomed to take revenge from that person and if he cannot take revenge from the person he will take it from that person’s children.

    This is a very crude way, but that’s how they are and I am not appreciating it like that Baluchi Senator Zehri, in fact I condemn it and oppose it very strongly that this revenge business must come to an end. You cannot teach them by punishing them, you have to educate them, deal with them with love, compassion and with respect, only then they will understand and not by force.

    After all my great grandfathers and their fathers were also living in those caves hundreds of years ago, even today its hard for people to come out from there into a civilized world but, once they are out, they are amazing people with exceptional qualities and abundant talents and that could be channelized for peaceful purposes and for a good cause.

    You have no idea how some of my family members are working in those areas in educating the children especially the girls. And, for the good work that has been done, they not only got recognition at national level but, even at international level they got very high and reputable international awards for doing this good work for a good cause.

    You cannot hunt down and kill people and expect the problem is solved. That doesn’t happen especially in the tribal areas of Pakistan. It will never end until you kill every single person and that is not possible. So, the key to resolve this problem is through peaceful means and not through a war. War is not the end or a solution for a problem, it is the beginning of another problem.

  227. #227 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2009 - 7:26 AM

    Umer Akmal & Mohammed Aamir …

    The brilliant duo of young-guns, Umer Akmal and Mohammed Aamir, should be handled with extreme care and Coach and the PCB Management should try to hone them well for future of Pakistan Cricket. Obviously, Pakistan have abundance of raw talent, but it’s not everyday that we find potentially good players of this caliber.

    Both are exceptionally gifted and they have oodles of natural talent, certainly no denying that. But, unfortunately, both are too young to handle fame and age is not on their side.

    Sometime back there was a news that Aamir and Ajmal had misbehaved with Younis Khan as they both boasted and compared themselves to Wasim Akram and Saqlain Mushtaq respectively, whereas Umker Akmal was considered to be part of the conspiracy to raise concerns against his Captain.

    Following this, Ajmal could not impress in the first Test and is deservingly sitting out of the second match as Kaneria has proved to be a better bowler in Tests version atleast. While Mohammed Aamir, in spite of bowler-friendly pitches, did not contribute much in the bowling department. Aamir was our best bowler among the likes of Razzaq, Rana Naveed, and Rao Iftiknar but with the coming back of Mohammed Asif and Kaneria, Aamir have become second best. Umer Akmal had been so consistent with his batting and is surely one of our top batsmen. However, he needs to take more responsibility and should not be allowed to be overconfident. I am hinting to Umer Akmal’s 52 runs in the second innings which came off only 33 balls at a strike rate of over 157. Was there a genuine need of this rowdy show of batting ? That too when his Captain was playing much soberly at the other end ? Absolutely no. Yousuf pointed in his post match presentation that he would have liked Umer to play with more responsibility. But I think like Javed Khan mentioned that Yousuf have become a ‘Bakree’, rather he always was a ‘Bakree’ (docile).

    Aamir and Umer need to keep their feet on the ground in these early days of their careers. Team management should also try to keep this newly found celebrity status from going to their heads and concentrate on their performances. Pakistan Cricket can not afford to let them being wasted following the footsteps of Shoaib Actor.

  228. #228 by Maza786 on December 6, 2009 - 9:29 AM

    Congratulations to team India and supporters on beating the Lankans and gaining the NO 1 test spot.

    Pakistan has also levelled the series with a healthy victory. Asif way to go. Surely he is on track for man of the series award with 17 wickets in just 2 tests.
    If I remember correctly this is the first Pakistani test victory since LS has been around. Therefore, it’s a cause for celebration as I don’t think Pakistan has won a test match in two years.

    I wonder how YK is feeling…………

  229. #229 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2009 - 10:53 AM

    Khansahab …

    Fawad Alam is not playing which is unfortunate, but even more regrettable is that Shoaib Malik is still in the playing elevens. I agree with you that Shoaib doesn’t qualify to play specially now that he is not even bowling and as it is his batting is totally useless and nothing to talk about.

    Having said this, Misbah is back in the team not because of Fawad Alam’s failing in the first Test, but mainly because Younis Khan opted out of the New Zealand tour. Moreover, Misbah have recently (after being dropped for NZ tour) scored some unbeaten century, followed by career best score of 284 runs in domestic cricket. By mentioning this I am not trying to justify Misbah’s return or proving him a better player then Fawad, but we all know that if Younis Khan was playing, no one would have called Misbah back. You were right, above, Misbah did drop a lollypop catch, but I think there was no harm in playing slow (strike rate of around 35) as this second Test was finished easily on the four day. IMO, the problem with our batters is that they all play too fast (T20 format) and do not have the temperament and patience of playing long innings (see Umer Akmal), whereas the Tests format demands playing slow at times.

    Coming back to Fawad Alam, well even Fawad is not a very quick scorer and he needs time before he settles down, which is fine in Tests. Regarding the Fawad’s batting position, actually after Pakistan’s defeat in the first Tests you have suggested that Fawad should be allowed to open the innings (replacing either Manzoor or Imran Farhat) in the second Test, whereas in your comment no. 328, you are contrastingly mentioning that “if Fawad was batting lower down he would have scored more”. It seems you want Fawad to play no matter whichever position 😉 Furthermore, Fawad did score that debut century playing as an opener, didn’t he? So what if he was made to play at top of the batting order in first Test.

    I think, Fawad Alam should definitely play the third Test and he should replace only and only Shoaib Malik and not Misbah. I think Misbah may be considered better then Malik, while removing Malik and Misbah both, especially now that Younis Khan is also out, will weaken our batting line. Plus, Yousuf should also try to think out of the box and allow Fawad to bowl with his slow left arm spin which will give us an additional spinner option.

    Shoaib Malik is definitely out of batting form, and moreover, Yousuf is not allowing him to bowl, whereas he is also useless as a fielder. Over and above this, Malik does not have a strong character and is a bad influence on the entire team, whereas Misbah in spite of not scoring runs and a mediocre fielder, at least have some seniority syndrome attached with his personality. Misbah, beside being educated, is also a much less ‘meesna’ and politician then Shoaib Malik, who is a ‘neela-thotha’ for the team.

    In short what I want to say is that out of the two, Malik and Misbah, Misbah is comparingly better option then Malik, while removing them both when Younis Khan is not playing will also not be suitable. So what we are left with is to play Fawad Alam in place of Malik and also include Misbah.

    Finally, just for the sake of discussion, imagine if Misbah scored some runs in the third Test and then Younis Khan is also back for the Australian tour, and provided Umer Akmal and Mohammed Yousuf are both playing anyway, who will we have to play in the middle order out of Fawad, Misbah, Malik and Younis ? 😉

  230. #230 by khansahab on December 6, 2009 - 11:21 AM

    Munir sahab

    You misunderstood me about Fawad Alam (or maybe I didn’t explain well). I did not mean to say he should be in the team no matter what. What I wanted to express was that if he was batting at Misbah’s position, he would have outscored Misbah. Misbah actually replaced Alam in this match- you can read all the reports saying that Misbah was brought in to replace Alam. So I wanted to say that Alam is a better player than Misbah, basically.

    Yes, I do want Alam to play as an opener even though it is difficult, because if he can expend even half the effort as he did when he made that 168, he will do well as opener. But for that, this victimisation of him has to stop and he can’t be in the team on the basis that if he fails in 1 inning, he will be replaced by more mediocre players such as Misbah or Malik.

    I agree Misbah is slightly better than Malik in Tests- maybe Malik is slightly better in ODI’s. However, Misbah is a player who loses his concentration after scoring 30, and hence he is not a long term prospect. He is on good terms with Punjab based PCB administrators and this is why he keeps coming back in the team. He is not bad as a batsman, like Malik is, but he is not good either and there are better players than him. Misbah is less of a politician than Malik, agreed, but Misbah did play politics against Younis Khan.

  231. #231 by khansahab on December 6, 2009 - 12:49 PM

    Pakistan won by a convincing margin, but have we really seen any improvement in the team? To me, nothing spectacular happened:

    – As expected, Asaf and Aamer performed on a seaming track

    – Malik made no contribution and dropped catches

    – Misbah did not do enough to help the team, but just did enough to warrant selection for yet another Test

    – The openers were not fabulous, but showed more promise than Manzoor

    – No Fawad Alam

    – Bond’s absence meant Misbah could score past 10, the openers could score past 20 and the team could score past 250 in the 1st innings. Not just that, it was a huge psychological advantage for Pakistan.

    So it seems that the state of affairs have not really improved. There is no point glorifying this pace attack unless it also performs on pitches with less life. Similarly, there is no point in praising this team if Malik and Misbah form part of it.

    The team is fine, except that Malik should be replaced by Alam and ideally Misbah should have been replaced by Younis, but in Younis’s absence Faisal Iqbal should replace Misbah.

  232. #232 by newguy on December 6, 2009 - 3:34 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I totally understand what you said in #356, I have an inclination of how small community laws work, note that I called them small community instead of using the cliched “tribal”. Small community could be a self governing tribe, a small village, or a small town. I have some inclination towards how small communities live, I grew up in one and in a different era, so I have an understanding.

    Trouble is when the modern civilized laws are applied to these communities they don’t always match up, so the majority view prevails over these small communities. The majority wants them to change according to the modern living standards, and they believe it is the right way. I am not saying I agree with this view, I don’t, but just a fact that this is one problem. We need leaders in the modern society who understands these differences and leave them alone.

    But I am not talking about the SWAT region of Pakistan, I am talking about Taliban, would you not agree that Taliban laws were atrocious?

  233. #233 by newguy on December 6, 2009 - 3:39 PM

    Javed,

    I also understand the blood feud system in these regions, especially Afghanistan where sons and fathers were killed, and it’s hard not to have the revenge mentality in mind. Especially when they don’t have anything else to look forward to in life. This is the hue problem in Afghanistan today, decades of foreign involvement from Soviets to Americans have left a bloody trail, now someone has to stay there longer and create an environment of friendship. It’s not easy for Americans or anyone else to do because of the obvious cultural and language difficulties.

  234. #234 by M. Y. Kasim on December 6, 2009 - 6:20 PM

    Congats to all…..

    If only those two “Akhroats” had not decided to skip the series!

    We could have walked over N.Z. and enjoying the victories.

  235. #235 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2009 - 9:27 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    You mean to say that without the two Akhroats, the Kishmish and Badaam Doodh, Dahi are useless? “I am agree” with you sir. 🙂

    khansahab

    vous avez une raison….. I mean you are right that Pak won because, there is no Bond. And, if you take out Taylor, Vettori and McCullum then NZ is no match to Bangladesh or even Zimbabwe.

    newguy

    You really don’t know nothing about Taliban and, all you know is what the media has been telling. Anyways, lets not discuss this issue because neither of us would be convinced on a forum like this.

  236. #236 by khansahab on December 6, 2009 - 9:51 PM

    I’ve just finished watching some highlights and I am shocked at Malik’s fielding. He dropped 2 easy catches and the second one off Asaf, he did not even bother grasping.

    I read Afridi’s interview recently and he said that his decision to take a break from Test cricket was influenced by disappointment over being ignored for Test selection in the recent past.

    That led me wonder that Afridi can bat better than everyone in the team except Yousuf, Younis, Umer Akmal and Fawad Alam in form. He can definitely bat better than Malik and Misbah, and the openers. He can bowl better than Razzaq, Kaneria and Gul.

    The good balls that Kaneria bowled, they were unplayable, but he bowled some mediocre balls too. He was a bit lucky because the NZ batsmen did not pick his googlies, but I don’t think a better side would have struggled. In fact I think a solid side would have handled him easily because he was bowling bad balls quite regularly, which help batsmen regain their focus.

    What kind of team is this and what kind of cricket system is this, where there are so many mediocre players in the team, but 2 players (Afridi and Younis) COULD have played but are sitting out? And what is all the celebration about- fine, Pakistan won but there was no Bond and without Vettori, Bond and McCullum NZ is a minnow side, as Javed A Khan observed astutely.

    The kind of catches Malik and Misbah dropped, the bad balls Kaneria bowled and the rubbish batting of the openers and Malik and Misbah, in my opinion means there should be no celebration. There is no real improvement- Aamer and Asif are good bowlers but Asif was already regaining his arrogance and would not experience the same fate if the pitch was Pakistani. Aamer is very talented- credit goes to him but I hope he can perform the same on lifeless tracks.

  237. #237 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2009 - 9:57 PM

    Either UDRS or, JTFU (just the on field umpire ), which one would you opt for?

    Umpire Mark Benson got so cheesed off that he left Australia under protest announcing his retirement as an umpire because of the implementation of UDRS and his decision was over ruled by the third umpire Asad Rauf.

    Sangakara
    the losing captain in the current India / SL series, woes that the poor umpiring decision had cost them the match and cited Dilshan’s example. On both occasions he was not out but, the umpire gave him out.

    Dhoni the winning captain says that UDRS is not 100% fool proof system. And he cited the example of a bullet proof car that it is not hundred percent bullet proof.

    What do you guys have to say?

    My opinion is, I would like the UDRS to be mandatory and it must be used by every country irrespective of the extra cost or whatever. BUT, UDRS must not be there without the HOT SPOT review system which is very accurate and with its help and with the slow motion cameras the third umpire should be able to make a decision. There can be 3 umpires who can review the UDRS and give their decision. Because, one is not enough and two could create a tie, but 3 would be ideal to get a majority decision.

    Secondly, the third umpire(s) should not take into other considerations such as, a foot no-ball. They must review only that aspect which the on field umpire has asked for, like a catch, stumping, run-out etc. But not a no-ball which the on-field umpire may have missed it. That much authority must remain with the on-field umpire or, that much leverage should be given to him and he must be respected for that, even if he has missed it by mistake. The third umpire(s) must not pinpoint it or use it to judge the decision. If the on-field umpire sees that it was a foot no-ball then, obviously he will not refer for a catch or a stumping review.

    Please give your views on this. Thanks.

  238. #238 by newguy on December 6, 2009 - 10:16 PM

    Javed Khan,

    You are right, I know nothing about Taliban other than what is available from various sources of news, isn’t that the case with most of us on many matters since we cannot experience everything in person? I guess based on your statement it sounds to me that you do disagree with the general notion on Taliban though, and I am willing to listen with an open mind if you explain an alternative point of view. I may not agree, but at least I will know there is another angle to this, and that really is the point, to know various angles to an issue.

  239. #239 by newguy on December 6, 2009 - 10:26 PM

    Javed,

    On the UDRS, I don’t think it is 100% foolproof, the reason is it depends on who challenges the decision, I was watching Pak-NZ Test in Dunedin and there was one such incident in the Pakistan 2nd innings where the batsman challenged an LBW decision, after review he was still given out even though hotspot showed ball was only brushing leg stump. Had that same challenge were made by the bowling team then the review result would have been different, meaning it would have been given not out because it was very very close to call.

    So, I think while Sanga has every reason to be chaffed about the poor decision Dilshan got, he is exaggerating it by saying review system would have changed the result of the matches. He himself admitted the scoreline of 2-0 fairly reflect how the teams performed. I think I agree with Dhoni on this, that it is not perfect, but you can probably get it right about 90%.

    That said, I think it should be introduced to all Test matches. But with some improvements.

  240. #240 by khansahab on December 6, 2009 - 10:49 PM

    Omer

    You make sense and I agree, just to say that if there was a choice, my guess is Afridi would probably be more useful to the team as a whole than Kaneria. I don’t dislike Kaneria, it’s just that he is overpitching way too much and sometimes his line gets out of hand.

    It is shocking if he is the best legspinner in Pakistan. He is a funny type of bowler, not good but not bad at the same time.

    People say this will be Malik’s last Test series. I am not sure, because the next time he scores 35 in an international game (whether ODI or Test), his fans will want him in the Test team. The idea has simply not worked and it is due to various reasons. Even if you are a consistent ODI batsman, there is no guarantee you will succeed in Test cricket. Malik has played more Tests than Afridi, but Afridi has that spark of talent and match winning ability, whereas Malik has nothing going in his favour as far as Test cricket is concerned. Malik’s bowling is pathetic, he can only bat on flat tracks against medium pacers, he is not in the top 3 fielders in the side either. He can’t concentrate for a long period and because of all these flaws, his batting is selfish and his focus (like Misbah’s) is always to score 30 so that he can get to play in the next Test.

    Selfish batting and playing for records and ego is perhaps bad, and maybe guys like Tendulkar and Gambhir go after awards and records, but the difference is they are naturally gifted batsmen. The problem with Malik is that he does not have talent which is needed at Test level- there is a serious deficiency. So, Tendulkar can score 50 very easily, with his eyes closed, and get out, even if he is playing slowly he rarely every gets bogged down. For Malik it’s a mission getting to 30, and then his powers of concentration are depleted and he becomes a sitting duck.

    Malik is the type of player who should NEVER have been selected to play Tests. He was mainly a T20 player with an unenviable first class record and mediocre one-day record, I don’t know who was responsible to select him to play Test cricket? It must have been nepotism at the highest level.

  241. #241 by Mohammed Munir on December 7, 2009 - 5:24 AM

    Khansahab …

    The team is fine, except that Malik should be replaced by Alam and ideally Misbah should have been replaced by Younis, but in Younis’s absence Faisal Iqbal should replace Misbah.

    You mean Faisal should not be allowed to play in place of Fawad Alam, but he can easily replace Mishab ? Faisal is pathetic as a player and has an average of only 22 in ODIs and 26 in Tests. We all know, the only reason he stuck with the team so long is his uncle and not his performance.

    I know Misbah is no Bradman, but trust me he is much much better then Faisal Iqbal, anyday.

    Gaaaad … You are so predictable when it comes to Malik & Misbah 😉 and Mohammed Asif too 😆

  242. #242 by Mohammed Munir on December 7, 2009 - 5:52 AM

    Missing Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan ???

    Why the Hello (as Javed would like to put it) are we even discussing Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan and their so called ‘absence’ from the winning team.

    No one kept them out and both deserved to be part of this winning Test team, but if they, on their own free will, opted out then what can the team management/ PCB do to help ? PCB have given enough chances and almost begged Younis to reconsider his options and join the team (we really needed him for these crucial NZ and Australian tours), but the guy won’t listen. He hardly came out a stupid untimely resignation, when he opted out on pretext of ‘needing a break’ from cricket.

    They are both very good players, agreed, but how low the PCB should go to lure them back and make them play, against their wishes.

    PCB Management, no matter how good or bad they are, stood firmly behind Younis Khan and gave him another chance, and look how have he repaid that back to PCB ?

    There is a sense of pride when one is representing his country at the highest levels; Younis Khan never had it in him. To his mind, he was doing a big big favour to PCB specifically and Pakistani public in general, by accepting the captaincy of the national team. This is so bad.

    Younis should be rather penalized for opting out of the team without any appropriate reasons, specially at a time when the team needed him badly. He should also be taken to task for letting his country and fans down. To me, he is a renegade who have betrayed the team more then once.

    PCB should make it clear to all their contracted players that no one is indispensable and no player, no matter how big or small, will be allowed to take the board for ransom and dictate terms with their employer. They are paid employees after all, aren’t they ? So they should behave like one.

  243. #243 by Mohammed Munir on December 7, 2009 - 9:39 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I would, for once, 😉 fully and unconditionally agree with you on the mandatory usage of UDRS (Umpire Decisions Review System).

    Cricket is such a sensitive game that at times even a single minor incorrect decision can easily affect the outcome of the entire match, be it T20, ODI or even a Test.

    Dhoni seems against the UDRS because most of the incorrect decisions went on in India’s favour, while on the other hand Sri Lankan captain is absolutely devastated and had openly and quite bluntly criticized the wrong umpiring decisions. Dhoni’s example of a bullet-proof car not being one hundred percent bullet-proof, shows that he have come out of some small village in Jharkhand. I mean literally, how often do we see a TV umpire making a wrong decision, or is it’s probability comparable to the mistakes made on an on-ground umpire ?

    A Sri Lankan colleague informed me, and I was really surprised to know this, that India was the one who did not accept UDRS for this series and they insisted on only the on-field umpires.

    Secondly, cricket umpires should be stopped from playing god on the field, they should realize and accept that they too can be wrong sometimes. If technology was not such a good idea then why are we successfully relying on camera/ TV umpires for the run-outs and stumps; So if it works for this, it will also work for all other decisions.

    The most annoying situation in cricket is when an umpire has made a decision and the repeated TV replays show that it was a wrong one. Think of this, if your favourite team have lost a game only because of this one wrong decisions. I for one, can not stand an incorrect decision in cricket, and it reminds me of WWF wrestling where all the dramas are done when the referee in purposefully looking in another decision. This killed my interest in wrestling at a very young age, and I am afraid it is also affecting my love for the game of cricket.

    I think the umpires like everyone else, are human being, who can not only make mistakes but can also be persuaded to do wrong. I do not want to say that a certain umpire have deliberately made some wrong decisions, but I want to put it more hypothetically that if an umpires decides to do that, what can stop him ?

  244. #244 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2009 - 1:40 PM

    Munir

    The spineless PCB does not need to lure Afridi and Younus Khan to get back into the team. They have to put their foot down and say, “OK Akhroats, enough is enough, if you are not playing test cricket – even after you are selected in the squad – then get lost.” Also, you won’t be playing for IPL then, see how they would be coming back running on their knees and joining the team. Is this a joke that Younus is thinking and rethinking and again thinking, and Afridi is trying to be very generous to give his test place to some youngster is another farcical move. I think he has made enough money from advertising and sponsorships and behaving like a Dubai ka Baddoo Kafeel.

    Besides, we were not talking about Afridi and Younus Khan’s inclusion in NZ test series but, for the Australian tour. And by saying but, it reminds me of Butts; nikki and waddee both…. Salman Butt and Imran Farhat should be left home to watch the game on TV and must be advised to do some catching practice. And Waddee Butt (Ijaz) should get two kicks on his left Butt and 4 on his right one. And, then he must be asked to leave without giving him a lolly pop in his hand.

    Abdul Razzaq, Afridi and Younus Khan must be in the test team for Australia. I am not in favour of Drama Actor like Omer suggested that he should be in the team because he is a match winner on his day. Like they say every dog has his day, his days have gone with the wind. So, he should just stay home and keep shunting at the Rawalpindi railway station.

  245. #245 by newguy on December 7, 2009 - 4:33 PM

    Mohammed Munir,

    From this statement it is clear that you do not know the issue well:

    Dhoni’s example of a bullet-proof car not being one hundred percent bullet-proof, shows that he have come out of some small village in Jharkhand. I mean literally, how often do we see a TV umpire making a wrong decision, or is it’s probability comparable to the mistakes made on an on-ground umpire ?

    TV replays are not conclusive in case of close catches, read the article written by Tony Cozier on this.

    It was Rauf’s second such review of a Benson call on an Australian appeal against Chanderpaul, then in his habitual mode of digging West Indies out of a hole. The first found no cause for the umpire in the middle to alter the same decision, also for an edge to the keeper. In both cases the evidence was uncertain and his ruling should have remained.

    Asad Rauf got it wrong in case of the close catch appeal against Chaderpaul, while he got the LBW decision right. LBWs are easier on TV replayes, but close catches are not, how many times we have seen it on TV and still wonder whether the decision can be still made or not? In this instance, TV replay was not clear, yet Asad Rauf deciced it was clear to him.

    Rauf was quoted in Australian newspapers as stating, as he would, that he saw “a clear edge” and that he was “sure” Chanderpaul had hit the ball. “Clear” and “sure” were not words used by those passing judgement from the press and television boxes – or even from a lounge chair in the middle of the night on the other side of the world.

    These decisions were on edged catches. Generally, the official in front of the TV gets his verdict right on lbws, as Rauf did on Friday when Dwayne Bravo contested Benson’s too-high lbw verdict against him. But not always.

    The fact that there is a debate going on this issue where many people including the well respected former umpire Dickie Bird has come out against the system means that is far from bullet proof (no pun intended).

    I think technology will help, but it is still not perfect, ICC just decides to roll off these things without carefully testing this. I suggest these things should be tested in a series of friendly match, or find some wiling domestic competitions to pilot it first over a season, then fix the problems before rolling out.

  246. #246 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2009 - 7:55 PM

    newguy

    You mean to say that technology is NOT perfect but the umpire is perfect?

    Prior to neutral umpires, the umpiring was very biased, and when Imran Khan proposed neutral umpires there was a lot of protest from all corners that an umpire’s integrity is being challenged, whereas he is supposed to honest and unbiased. Eventually, when the neutral umpires started officiating we are witnessing better decisions than before – not hundred percent to everyone’s satisfaction, yet it is very successful.

    Whenever there is a change, people have this tendency to resist change as they are used to old habits, customs and traditions. I think technology will definitely help and the only way to implement is by imposing it, or making it mandatory and not experimenting in friendly matches like you say. How many friendly matches are played? Hardly any.

    And, Munir is right that Dhoni is defending because he is on the winning side, had India lost the matches or the series and instead of Dilshan it was Sehwag, Tendulkar or Dhoni himself, he would have been talking in a different tone. Dravid in the last match was clearly out when on 61, he nicked a thick outside edge but, Nigel Long did not give him out and Dravid being a gentleman, did not walk because he wanted to score 3 test hundreds in a row, but eventually he was out in his seventies.

    and, by giving that bullet proof car example, Dhoni sounds like a DUD, it is a very stupid analogy because armored cars and tanks can be blown away with anti-tank missiles. So, does it mean they should not be used, because they are not 100% perfect? A bullet proof BMW or a Mercedes car is better than a Suzuki – Maruti or Padmini is it or, isn’t it? If not then the Indian Prime Minister should be using a Padmini. 😉

  247. #247 by khansahab on December 7, 2009 - 7:56 PM

    Pak manager denies rumour of Gul-Aamer scuffle

    According to TV reports, the Pakistan team management found both Gul and Aamer guilty of breaching the code of conduct and opted to slap heavy fines on the two players.

    However, team manager Abdul Raqib said, on Monday, that the reports were untrue saying the atmosphere in his dressing room was completely cordial.

    Earlier, reports claimed that Gul and Aamer had a fight soon after Pakistan beat New Zealand by 141 runs in second Test to square the series. The reports, however, did not give details of the scuffle. It was claimed in the reports that both the players were fined Rs. 200,000 each by the team management.

    The reports have added fuel to speculations that there are rifts within the Pakistan team. Before the tour of New Zealand, Pakistan regular captain Younis Khan pulled out of the series against New Zealand saying that he had lost the support of his own players. Currently, senior batsman Mohammad Yousuf is leading Pakistan against the Kiwis.

    Pakistan lost the first Test in Dunedin but bounced back with a series-equalling win in Wellington where pacer Mohammad Asif and Danish Kaneria were the heroes for the tourists.

  248. #248 by khansahab on December 7, 2009 - 8:04 PM

    HAHAHAHAHA

    Waqar Younis called Danish Kaneria, “Danish Vettori” in the Test!

  249. #249 by newguy on December 7, 2009 - 9:03 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I don’t care for what Dhoni said or not said, captains always hedge their words depending on how their team performed, Sanga is complaining because his team lost and he need to find an excuse, but as he himself admitted his team was outplayed, Dhoni may have complained about umpiring himself had India lost. I don’t know and I don’t care, you and Munir can call him a DUD or anything else, I am not out to defend him.

    What I am disagreeing is that the review system has faults, when did I say on field umpiring is the best and we should stick to it? In fact, I said I support UDRS, but not as you and Munir says make it mandatory NOW, I think it has flaws and ICC should take time to pilot it in Domestic competition first and fix the flaws, then rollout to international Test matches.

    Did either of you actually follow what happened in the Chanderpaul dismissal, see here Cricinfo commentary on that dismissal:

    62.3 another loose forward prod from Chanders to one pitching closer to off stump, there’s a noise before Haddin collects, no reaction from the umpire and we have a review. For the second time involving Chanderpaul, several replays are reviewed and again Hotspot is inconclusive. Is it bat flipping pad? Australia don’t look pleased. Second time Chanders has been involved in a caught-behind review. Ponting, who asked for the review, leads the celebrations when the outcome is OUT. Hotspot didn’t show anything but the review works for the Australians this time. Chanders is gone for a fighting 62. The bowling change works and a dangerous stand is snapped. This one was far less convincing that the first appeal last session. Chanders shakes his head and walks off. Crucial breakthrough from Watson. 235/4

    Hotspot was inconclusive, what does it say about this decision, that Asad Rauf should have stuck to on-field umpire’s decision in this case. But Australians applied a lot of pressure and having denied one appeal already Rauf felt he needed to do something different, it’s pressure, and he gave in even though technology was still inconclusive. This is why I am saying use technology for all you want, but clearly lay out some guidelines, you said use three umpires instead of one, I like that, that means out of three looking at TV two should agree. This will reduce pressure from one umpire.

  250. #250 by newguy on December 7, 2009 - 9:10 PM

    The point is in this case it is evident afetr inspecting all TV feeds and player reaction that Chanderpaul was not out – but he was still given out by a TV umpire. So a player could be wrongly given out whether you have a review or not, it’s only a question of how many errors you can reduce. No matter what it will not be 100% foolproof and you can bet that there will be many controversies still.

  251. #251 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2009 - 10:20 PM

    newguy

    hotspot is one of the best tools to check out if there was a nick? If Asad Rauf or whoever in that review box is not sure, especially if the hotspot is confirming that there is NO nick, then he should tell the on-field umpire that the hotspot is inclusive and you decide what you feel right.

    Secondly, I said that there must be 3 people in the review box, it may not be possible to have the”A” class umpires like Taufel, Alim Dar, Rudy, Harper or whoever to be in the 3rd umpire’s box but, anyone who is a technically qualified person or an ex-cricketer like Boycott, Benaud, Gavaskar etc., should be in that review committee. Otherwise, one man’s mistake could lead to another man’s mistake and the result is the same.

    Like any business if you do it halfheartedly, 90% chances are it fails. You have to do that in a full fledged manner to achieve success. Likewise, this system cannot be applied at domestic level because of the enormous cost for setting up TV cameras at different angles. How many domestic matches are televised newguy? Hardly any. So, in order to be practical and pragmatic you have to make the UDRS mandatory NOW.

    And, ICC must ensure that not only hawk-eye but, hotspot and ultra slow motion cameras must be used to determine the result.

    The technology can help in almost 99% cases (no one is perfect, nothing is perfect except for God) and there could only be one problem and i.e., when low catches are held and claimed. Sometimes, it is very difficult to judge it from the replays because of the camera angles unless you have a dozen cameras installed in every nook and corner.

    In cases of very low catches that are claimed, sometimes there is a slope on the field and it appears that the ball has disappeared before it reaches the fielder’s palm. And, it becomes very inclusive to decide whether it carried or not? In that case, like always the benefit of doubt goes to the batsman. So, all these things if sorted out before and explained to the umpires as well as the players then, there should be very minimum dispute.

  252. #252 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2009 - 10:47 PM

    newguy

    I want to tell you this story, rather its a fact. When I pushed my CEO to get PC’s for all the managers, I was targeted as a very young high flier trying to show off. The CEO approved my move and asked me to go ahead and arrange for a in-house seminar by inviting IBM technocrats to explain the benefits to our managers and departmental heads and, out of the 23 + 12 managers and departmental heads, including the mainframe manager, not a single one favoured the idea. They all said, its a waste of time and money.

    The next day they called the MD (who was away on a tour when the seminar took place) and complained that I am trying to complicate their lives. They told him that they have so much work and no time to even scratch their heads and me being a smart alec trying to show off and trying to prove myself as a techno savvy person.

    The MD then called me and asked me: “what is this PC buiness? And this computers, shumputer is for young kids and not for serious old professionals like us.” I smiled and told him very calmly that I am young but, not a kid. And, I asked him very nicely, why are you afraid of the technology?

    Using computer is like using a car. To drive a car you don’t have to be an automobile engineer or a mechanic, you drive it to go to places, save your time and improve your efficiency. Likewise, to use a PC you don’t have to be a computer engineer or a software developer, you simply use your PC to improve your working efficiency. It does not mean your secretaries will become redundant. You would be able to review the management reports and communicate with any of the employees through emails.

    In short, when the project was approved and everyone got training, more than 80% of the employees were happy and the 20% were over 50-55 years of age and have some mental blocks, they kept nagging and cursing me. 😀

    But, the good thing is even the MD took training and uses his PC very regularly. Last time I went to see him in his office 3 years ago and he had 2 flat screen monitors behind his desk and one laptop in front of him and he greeted me with a big smile and when I tried to focus my eyes towards his computers he said jokingly, “All this crap is because of you.”

  253. #253 by newguy on December 8, 2009 - 12:12 AM

    Hi Guys,

    Once again, I never said not to use technology, on the contrary I think it will help, but technology is a tool, like any tool there should be proper guidance on how to use it. I don’t believe ICC has thought through all of those in rolling this out. Otherwise this issue would not have come up, Asad Rauf should have let the decision go back to on-field umpire when replays were inconclusive. End result a mistake was made. Now, we can argue that over many matches technology will help umpires make better decision, and I agree to it. But to repeat myself again, ICC should have proper guidelines for TV umpires on what to do on situations like this.

    I don’t have anything else to offer on this topic.

  254. #254 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2009 - 8:44 AM

    “Asad Rauf should have let the decision go back to on-field umpire when replays were inconclusive.” newguy

    Based on your own statement above, it was a human error by Asad Rauf. Technology was able to give enough time to Asad Rauf to evaluate the situation but he got under pressure and gave a wrong decision. The on field umpires do not have enough time to think or to see the replay, they have to decide on the spur of the moment. Hence it is possible to give a wrong decision in haste. Whenever and wherever there is a one man decision, it is possible that he would make mistakes. Therefore, in the UDRS committee you need more than one person.

    The point I was emphasizing earlier (see above) there should be a review committee of three people instead of just one umpire. If there are regular referrals then the third umpire would be under pressure and it is very likely that he may make mistakes just like the on-field umpires do.

    And, here we are talking about the tools of technology such as hotspot, hawk-eye, snicko and ultra slow motion replays. Out of all of the above, hotspot is ideal for spotting nicks and edges, it is any time better than snicko. The usage of UDRS will become more acceptable and will also improve with the passage of time i.e., as technology improves further.

    And, I disagree that ICC should have proper guidelines, yes the rules must be written but implementation should not just be the ICC’s job but, also that of the respective boards who make a lot of money from the matches, they should be able to spend money for the technology. Earlier, there were no day and night matches and people made a lot of fuss that it is impossible to play cricket in floodlight. It is history now.

    Likewise, when we have to go through the security channels at the airports, we all get delayed as it is time consuming and frustrating and none of us like it, but everyone accepts it because, it is better to be safe than sorry. Similarly, minor delays in the game to assess the UDRS appeal means nothing, people will get used to it. Like in ice hockey they take a break for TV commercial. There is probably no other sport in the world which takes a break for TV commercials. In the good old days it wasn’t like that, but people accept it now.

    newguy: You think you don’t have anything esle to offer on this topic, but I am sure you will come up with something or, at least agree on the basis of ‘if you can’t beat them join them.’ 😉

  255. #255 by Mohammed Munir on December 8, 2009 - 9:18 AM

    Newguy …

    Although after reading Javed’s comments no. 382 & 388, and also Omer’s comment no. 387, there is nothing much left that I can add to this issue and they both have explained the matter so well, but I would like to briefly mention the following points:

    What I meant by my statement was that it is fully worth implementing the UDRS even if technology helps to improve the ratio of mistakes by a small percentage (which I am sure it does). As Omer and Javed have rightly put, there is no perfection in this world but still we should work toward achieving ‘near-perfection’ and reduced the mistakes as much as possible. I am sure, you will agree that UDRS’s percentage of mistakes will be definitely less then any ground umpire because UDRS is more of a ‘value-addition’ and not an ‘alternative’ to ground-umpiring.

    I think more then UDRS, you did not like my saying something against Dhoni’s stupid statement. Well the thing is no active player/ captain should have made a comment against UDRS, that too at a time when so many doubtful decisions have gone in their favour playing in a home-series which they won. Dhoni would definitely have been much better-off keeping his mouth shut on this issue. Sanagakara, on the other hand, have full right to blame bad umpiring not only because so many decisions went against them and they lost the series, but also more so because Sri Lanka always wanted to have UDRS implemented for this Indian series which BCCI vehemently resisted, I don’t know why ? 😉

    The one and only issue with UDRS seems is that at times it is time-consuming, but I think even that can be tackled by allowing a few extra minutes in a day for this purpose, while Javed’s suggestion of having 3 member review committee is also appreciateable to relieve TV umpire from extra pressures. Talking of pressures, have you ever thought how much pressure the ground umpire have to take from fake-appeals and it is so often that they also make mistakes under such unruly pressures from players. Atleast the TV umpires will not be intimidated the way the ground umpires are by some players’ excessive appealing.

    Finally, regarding Dickie Bird and other umpires/ officials complaining against UDRS, well it is so obvious they will not like it. UDSR will not only reduce the umpires’ undue authority but it will also make them eat-their-own-words when reversing their wrong decisions. It will basically expose their wrong decisions and ultimately may even replace them fully one day in future. Exactly, same way as today’s modern computers have replace many old and rigid professional bankers (Javed’s storey, which was a treat to read). The problem is that the existing umpires see to UDRS as a competitor and something which can affect their livelihood, “Pait Per Laat Marna”.

  256. #256 by Mohammed Munir on December 8, 2009 - 9:27 AM

    Javed Khan …

    @ Comment No. 389

    Very good story and I can almost relate to it when we were installing emails/ new software on our office PCs. It’s always the case with the older guys to adjust to new modern technologies. As they say, “Change is Different, but not Difficult”.

    @ Comment No. 382

    Regarding Indian Prime Minister using a Padmini, well you never know he may be using a ‘Mini-Cooper’ or even a Padmini (Kolahpuri) 😉

  257. #257 by newguy on December 8, 2009 - 6:58 PM

    Javed,

    newguy: You think you don’t have anything esle to offer on this topic, but I am sure you will come up with something or, at least agree on the basis of ‘if you can’t beat them join them.’

    There is a debate going on between players, officials, and media right now on this, my view is that it is not ready yet, and needs some tweaks, they will eventually figure it out, or they may toss it out and come up with something else. I will keep an eye on where this is going.

    Munir,

    Sanagakara, on the other hand, have full right to blame bad umpiring not only because so many decisions went against them and they lost the series, but also more so because Sri Lanka always wanted to have UDRS implemented for this Indian series which BCCI vehemently resisted, I don’t know why ?

    From this statement I figure you are insinuating that BCCI somehow knew the outcome would be favorable to India hence they insisted on not suing it. While you are at it why don’t you also go ahead and state that BCCI paid money to have the result at 2-0 in favor of India so that they can be Test #1. I am sure there is a theory circulating along these lines, have you heard of anything of this nature 😉

  258. #258 by khansahab on December 8, 2009 - 7:41 PM

    Malik has been retained in the squad for Australia Tests.

    What a load of BS.

    Ijaz Butt has decided to keep Yousuf as captain for ODI’s instead of Afridi. Another disappointing decision.

  259. #259 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2009 - 9:52 PM

    newguy

    Sangakara has not denied the fact that his team lost and he is not making any excuses, but he is simply stating the facts like we are. Any outsider can see that umpire Nigel Long made quite a few mistakes and they all went in India’s favour and against SL. Even if the decisions were not given against SL, the SL team is not capable of beating India in India.

    Besides, its not a matter of BCCI paying money for winning or, refusing to approve UDRS for this series. As hosts the BCCI should have given their consent for UDRS because, home team always have the home ground and home crowd advantage. Therefore, in all fairness they should have said, OK fine we agree go ahead and implement the UDRS for this series. That way neither Sangakara nor anyone else would have said what they are saying now. You please try to be a little more impartial and not judgmental in condemning Sri Lanka’s grievances.

    And, none of us is saying that Sri Lanka is a better side than India. Even after knowing that they are a better side, we have been supporting India to the extent that I was hoping and wishing that Sehwag, Yuvraj & Co. should have whacked Murali and Mendis both. And Murali should have announced his for retirement before 2011. Also, the kinda farcical and magical wall the Sri Lankans have built around Mendis to protect him and save him for some great moment should have banished. But, they dropped him and brought in Rangana Herath instead.

    I don’t think any of us (Munir, Omer and I) are trying to take away the credit and the win that India deserved. It is only about the technology and like I have said, in domestic matches it is not possible because of the cost. I hope you (newguy) understand this? If you do, then lets drop this subject here. Unless, some experts like Varun and Pawan come up with some more valid points to rekindle this discussion once again. 😀

  260. #260 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2009 - 9:57 PM

    khansahab

    Were you expecting Malik to be dropped from the Australian tour? Whoever is hoping or even thinking about Malik‘s exclusion from the squad is living in a “Cuckoo’s World”

    As long as the Butt faced PCB chairman is there and as long as Malik’s Chachay, Mamay tay unaa dee Machiyaan zinda haingi, I mean those Senators and Ministers who are supporting him, he will be in the squad for the next 8 years.

    As regards Afridi not being made Captain in place of Yousuf (who is being retained) it is the Akhroat who is to be blamed for his stupidities and his Ch2So4 yapay.

  261. #261 by newguy on December 9, 2009 - 12:14 AM

    Javed Bhai,

    I don’t think any of us (Munir, Omer and I) are trying to take away the credit and the win that India deserved. It is only about the technology and like I have said, in domestic matches it is not possible because of the cost. I hope you (newguy) understand this?

    I totally understand, I like you guys, trust me, but what’s life without a bit of friendly argument 🙂 After all we have more in common than we differ, you said in another post on the bakery bread that you had to eat dipped in milk when you were sick in your childhood, that brought back memories my own childhood, we used to do exact same thing, whenever I was down with a fever this what I had to eat. I didn’t know that people in Pakistan did the exact same thing, we have a lot in common, it’s a shame in fact India and Pakistan had to be enemies then on the political front.

    Khair chod do abhi criket ki baat kartein hain .. T20 between Ind-SL is going to begin in a few hours, after being spoiled by Test matches for the last several weeks, T20 sounds like gilli danda .. I could care less about what goes on in the T20, it’s a shame the masses prefer this format more than Test matches.

  262. #262 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2009 - 2:37 AM

    newguy

    You scared me for a while i.e., when you wrote the T20 will begin in a few hours. I am a bit down and under the weather and went to bed very, very early after checking out on cricinfo that the T20 starts at 12:00 GMT on Dec. 9th that is, 07:00 EST which is tomorrow morning. Anyways, its only 9:40 p.m. and I woke up because of a telephone call and it will be challenge to go back to sleep after having a 3 hours nap.

    Weather here has changed, its been snowing a wee bit for the past few days, but we are bracing for a snow storm starting from early morning and will last whole day and we will end up with 2 feet of snow. And, the worst thing is in the coming days we are going into deep freeze. It will be -17C at night and -8C during the day, so winter has eventually arrived here. And, its gonna stay here for a very, very long time i.e., till the end of April. I wish I could go to some Sun Destination for a couple of months, at least for January and February which are the coldest months here.

    Dilshan & Jayasuriya
    will open the innings and for India it will be Sehwag and Gambhir. So, it will all be action packed right from the word go. Yousuf Pathan is in the team. Its a shame that poor Irfan Pathan is not in the good books of Dhoni. IMO, he is a better all-rounder than my name is Yousuf Pathan and my nick name is Yousuf Pathan. But, Dhoni is the boss and for whatever reasons he dislikes him its costing the team.

    I dunno if you remember the first T20 WC final in SA when India were almost crumbling like a deck of cards and were not going to make even 120 odd runs, it was Irfan Pathan and Rohit Sharma who added some valuable 38 runs and Pakistan lost by only 3-4 runs. Thanks to the champion mediocre player Mohammad Hafeez who not only dropped the catch of Sharma on the boundary line, but he dropped it on the other side of the rope to make it a six, instead of a one or two.

  263. #263 by newguy on December 9, 2009 - 3:46 AM

    Javed,

    Agree, Irfan is a better player overall than Yousuf, but if Yousuf starts connecting then he is really really good in the T20 format, that man can hit some big sixes, only if he can connect well 🙂 Problem with Irfan last time he played in ODIs he was leaking runs, he bats well, but his bowling lost it’s edge, but he has been playing domestic matches and it is he says he has gained his pace back and is ready to come back. I don’t know the deal between him and Dhoni, but if selectors think he deserves a chance then Dhoni can’t say no, well, of course he can give his inputs, but selectors decide ultimately. One of these days he will get his chance.

  264. #264 by newguy on December 9, 2009 - 4:16 AM

    Actually I do have something to add about the UDRS, I think there are two main problems.

    One:
    Currently the system is implemented as a player challenge, either from batsman or from fielding team. There is a limit to how many challenges can be made by a team during an innings. I think it is two per team per innings. This is a huge limitation. Players then have to decide whether they should go for a review request or not, this depends then on their judgment based on whether they think the result will favor them. In some cases like a batsman who did not nick it may be easier, but it is difficult for LBW for batsman, and it becomes difficult for fielding team in case of tiny nicks. This puts them under pressure to pick which ones to challenge. So, if umpires make more than two mistaken then they end up getting some incorrect. Another problem is depending on who called the review the result can change for exact same decision, for instance LBW, and what was the original decision. This should go away. At the same time we cannot have players challenging every decision, which will slow down match and make on-field umpire look silly, almost making them not needed. See my next point on what would be better solution.

    Two:
    Second issue is related to first. The review system should not be player challenge based. Some of the experts are of the opinion that players should not be allowed to challenge the decision, instead the review should happen automatically by TV umpire and if a huge mistake was made then send a message to recall before the player is off the ground. I think a minor change to this will make it workable. While I think player challenge is OK, I don’t think we can let them challenge every decision, or limit them to two review only like now.

    So the solution is for on-field umpire to ask for reviews, on close catches, LBWs, tiny nicks, so on. Now they do this for run outs almost every time, unless the run out is by a huge distance that everyone can see. Similarly as soon as it is an LBW, close catch, or tiny nick they should signal to TV umpire. TV umpire should be at least three people instead of one to ensure that marginal ones get more than one opinion.

    This will fix the problems in the current system. The main issue now is that reversal of on-field umpire decision makes them look incompetent and it undermines their authority, instead they don’t make decision in close cases, but call the TV umpire into action. Players do not get to challenge the decision.

    What do you all think?

  265. #265 by Mohammed Munir on December 9, 2009 - 5:50 AM

    UAE beat Namibia in an ICC International Shield 4-day game …

    UAE’s Mohammed Tauqir takes 5 wickets and plays pivotal role in bring about the collapse of Namibian inning.

    Have a look …

    http://www.cricinfo.com/iccshield2010/engine/current/match/433666.html

  266. #266 by Mohammed Munir on December 9, 2009 - 6:10 AM

    Newguys @ Comment No. 394 …

    From this statement I figure you are insinuating that BCCI somehow knew the outcome would be favorable to India hence they insisted on not suing it. While you are at it why don’t you also go ahead and state that BCCI paid money to have the result at 2-0 in favor of India so that they can be Test #1. I am sure there is a theory circulating along these lines, have you heard of anything of this nature.

    Well, actually I am neither insinuating that BCCI knew the outcome would be in favour of India nor am I saying that BCCI paid money to have the result in their favour to be Test # 1.

    Nevertheless, all I am saying is that BCCI did not pay money to have UDRS for their home series, which the host Sri Lanka always wanted to be implemented. 😆

    Although, I haven’t heard anything on these lines but all I can say is that anything is possible in cricket !!

    Now having said this, I really liked you for saying … “I totally understand, I like you guys, trust me, but what’s life without a bit of friendly argument.

    This is LS for you !! Good, Bad, or Ugly … we are all one small family. 😀

  267. #267 by Mohammed Munir on December 9, 2009 - 9:44 AM

    Pakistan’s Tour of Australia … The Headlines !!

    Mohammad Yousuf retained captain for Australia

    “Younis wanted to rest but he didn’t play in the domestic cricket since the one-day series against New Zealand,” chief selector Iqbal Qasim told reporters. “He didn’t give his availability to us and therefore we did not select him.” Younis stepped away from the game after claiming he had “lost command” of the side, following months of strained relationships with a number of senior players.

    Squad:
    Mohammad Yousuf (capt), Salman Butt, Khurrum Manzoor, Imran Farhat, Shoaib Malik, Fawad Alam, Faisal Iqbal, Misbah-ul-Haq, Kamran Akmal (wk), Danish Kaneria, Saeed Ajmal, Umar Gul, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Aamer, Abdur Rauf, Umar Akmal.

    Questions may well be asked of the decision to persist with Khurram Manzoor as opener and the retention in the middle order of Shoaib Malik, currently in the middle of a horror run that has seen him score 46 runs in four innings in New Zealand.

    Younis could still return as captain – Ijaz Butt

    “We have a long-term plan in place,” Butt told Cricinfo, “and we will review that once we get together over the next few days to discuss this. Younis wanted a rest and we have given him that. But when he comes back we will most definitely consider him as an option for captaincy .”

    “We consulted the options among ourselves and we came to the conclusion that Yousuf is the ideal alternative,” Butt said. “There were no disagreements over the choice and we are confident he can do the job.”

    The silence prompted Ijaz Butt, chairman of the PCB, to hint in a press conference on Monday that Younis is unlikely to make the cut for Australia. “Younis should have played domestic matches to be a candidate for selection for the tour. However, a final decision in this regard will be taken after a meeting with the chief selector Iqbal Qasim,” Butt said. Officials within the selection committee echo similar sentiments. As a result of not having played any domestic cricket or made clear his intentions, they say, it would defy logic for him to be selected.

    Sources : Several articles from Cricinfo.

  268. #268 by Mohammed Munir on December 9, 2009 - 10:21 AM

    The Squad for the Australian Tour:

    Mohammad Yousuf (capt), Salman Butt, Khurrum Manzoor, Imran Farhat, Shoaib Malik, Fawad Alam, Faisal Iqbal, Misbah-ul-Haq, Kamran Akmal (wk), Danish Kaneria, Saeed Ajmal, Umar Gul, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Aamer, Abdur Rauf, Umar Akmal.

    Points to Discuss …

     Why do we still have Khurram Manzoor and Imran Farhat in the team ?

     Why is Shahid Afridi not in the squad ? Can’t PCB be strict with it’s paid employees and insist them to play ?

     Same applies to Younis Khan, why is he not forced to report to duty and play the Australian series ?

     Will PCB ever have the balls to drop Shoaib Malik ? By now, even a kid knows that he can NEVER play on seaming/ fast tracks.

     Faisal Iqbal ??? Is this because of his uncle ? I mean realistically speaking, why else a player with ODI avg. of 22 and Test avg. of 26 be still in the squad.

     Why the Hello are we not having Abdul Razzaq and Sohail Tanvir in the squad ?

     Who is this 31 years old fast bowler (2 Tests & 4 ODIs), Abdur Rauf ? Is he better then Sohail Tanvir a bowler ?

  269. #269 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2009 - 3:38 PM

    India caught up the Pakistani virus H1D1 (Hold one Drop one) they dropped too many catches like Pakistan did in the recent matches against NZ, and India lost the match. 215 is always tough to chase.

    After Gambir, the whole team caved in, adding the next 100 runs after Gambir was some kinda miracle.

    Dhoni, Yuvraj, My nick name is Yousuf pathan and even Raina played halfhearted strokes to get out. Dhoni especially made a big mistake by getting bogged down when Gambhir was scoring out of the 61 runs partnership he scored only 6 runs.

    Secondly, Gambhir was playing all very good cricketing shots and not the T20 shots and I was thinking its about time Dhoni starts hitting big otherwise, Gambhir might try something foolish and he did, he exposed his wickets and got bowled from behind his legs.

    The fall of Sehwag was kinda heartbreaking for some Indian batsmen (not Gambhir) and none of them played to their potential.

  270. #270 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2009 - 3:40 PM

    Munir

    Congratulations, yeah I saw that yesterday on cricinfo your brother Tauqir got 5 wickets in the second innings and one in the first. There used to be a “Mithu” in the UAE team.

  271. #271 by newguy on December 9, 2009 - 5:28 PM

    SL won the 1st T20 in style and salvaged some pride by having their 1st win on this tour. ODIs are also going to be closely fought. Neither has an edge going into shorter versions of the game. Considering how India lost to what can be called be Australia B team, I will not be surprised if they end up having some terrible games.

    There is a large difference between Test team and shorter versions, especially the middle order batting consists of half baked players.

    Apart from Sehwag and Gambhir who are also mainstays of Test team, none of the others can be called truly class players.

    This is really evident in Tests, over the last 5 years India has done well in Tests while in ODIs they have been erratic, and their T20 record is atrocious apart from the 1st T20 WC.

    I don’t know why Dhoni had to come at no 3 today, he has this habit of playing anchor role, that works well in ODIs where building an innings is important, but in T20 he simply slows the scoring rate, Suresh Raina should come down at #3 followed by Youvraj, then Dhoni. After today, I think Irfan Pathan deserves to get a chance in place of My name is Yousuf Pathan My nickname is Yousuf Pathan.

    Credit must be given where it is due though, SL played well and put up a huge total.

  272. #272 by Maza786 on December 9, 2009 - 5:37 PM

    The pitch at the Napier venue has had a reputation of not being conducive to enforce an outcome. It 8 matches there have been 2 away victories and 6 draws. This suggests a draw is the likelihood.

    However, in despite of those stats one has to remember the vast bowling strength both of these sides in recent times which can overshine the likelihood and be constructive in assisting a result which is what the supporters want. Also both of these sides have had a reputation of their batting flopping or collapsing. This further supports an outcome possibility. Pakistan has the winning momentum and the bowlers are in-form. I back their chances with every penny regarding the weather doesn’t cause too much interference. Moreover, a win will give the team a huge psychological boost before they go to Australia which I feel will be beneficial in the long term of events.

    I agree with the PCBs decision to pro-long MY’S duty as captain. It is only logical. If no commitment was being shown by YK he has no right to lead the team or even be in the team for that matter. However, I wanted Shahid Afridi as captain of the ODI squad. I hope Afridi is captain at the 2011 WC. He is a good innovative person in the field who fathers a good team atmosphere. He is also the team talisman which can be argued a successful choice for captaincy.

    However, as my friend Haroon pointed out yesterday Afridi will never be captain unless he is within the test team as well otherwise there will be means of selfishness to just captain the side in ODI cricket and not even participate in tests. It’s kind of like a punishment for Afridi if he’s not going to play tests. He needs to realise this.

  273. #273 by Maza786 on December 9, 2009 - 5:38 PM

    Congrats Munir Sahab !

  274. #274 by khansahab on December 9, 2009 - 11:36 PM

    On Pakspin someone called “Imran” has made the following comment:

    I think the reason Younis has dissapeared is becos he’s been trying his best for country and the team have been undermining him and deliberately losing and he is not being allowed to select sincere talented players,and is stuck with rubbish like Misbah,Malik,Butt & co.He promoted youngsters and gave them a chance unlike Inzi,Yousuf & Malik. The guy is sincere to Pak cricket unlike all the other jokers who undermine him becos of jealousy,factionalism,i‘m a punjabi but i’ll have a 11 pathans or sindhi’s in the team anyday as long as they are truly the best 11,doesn’t matter about which region someone comes from.Malik,Misbah,Farhat,Butt must go. And K Akmal if he can’t stop his dirty politics,we need a keeeper who doesn’t drop vital chances.Bring Afridi in as allrounder in Tests,as a must,he instills fear into opposition and is a winner,But we must end dirty politics within team,and anyone doing it must be banned. Razzaq can’t bat/bowl so leave him out of tests,same with Arafat.

    Younis’s recent test record has been excellent and he’s even had county and and domestic Australian contracts, i don’t think that would happen if he wasn’t a great test player, and he’s in top ten rankings for tests,so you his critics get your facts correct.He’s not arrogant,smug,slimy like some of our cricketers,even the phony ones who grow beards but don’t change their nasty personal habits. Stop calling for Razzaq he is a naff bat/bowler in Tests and ODI he gets spanked.Shoaib actor can’t lose weight,had liposuction & was advised 5 months rest.He’s a waste of space,we have Anwar Ali,when is he going to get a chance. Watch clips of yasir Hameed, he can definitly bat in tests,compare his technique to malik & co,see big difference in his defence,but he’s test player only.Umar gul is slipping and needs to be put under pressure by reserves,we need a genuine quickie in squad.Fawad should be played lower down,and coward Yousuf should come in at 3,if he really is our top bat.

    If the punjabi crew and the other cliques still operate then they must be banned for good.We all saw the way everyone turned against Younis, i don’t care how much you hate the captain,you don’t deliberately lose a test series and throw your wickets away.

    Those guys,Yousuf,Misbah,Malik,Akmal made us lose test series in Sri Lanka and they should be banned just for that. The PCB and coach should take responsibility for mutiny against captain, not the captain if everyone is ignoring him and backstabbing him.If you make someone captain he should have the power and the respect as long as he is proffesional and fair.Even when Pieterson misbehaved he was punished by PCB. Look at Yousuf,ICL saga and his lack of support for Younis,all that money spent to bring him back after his greed & double dealing & now he’s old and past it,resorting to dirty games,plus S Malik the one who pushed him away from team.Its the jerks who need to be sorted out in team,PCB & in government,not Younis.

    Hats off to “Imran”, whoever he his.

    ———————————–
    Now look at this comment by someone called “Wasim”, who has written like a paindoo:

    Forget about Younis Khan’s test average, given his batting performance in the last year can anybody honestly say that his inclusion in the team would have made any difference. Why are we missing him as a captain or as a batsman? what did he accomplished in the last year?
    What was his personal contribution in the T20 WC victory? None. So why we give him all the credit for that, if he was that good of a leader then why we lost every single series played under him.
    If he is not making himself available to play then the blame should entirely go to him. He is only behaving like an arrogant prick if he had any honesty or integrity he would have improved his form and had made a strong comeback in the team nobody could have stopped him.
    Now I do agree with you that Malik should have been dropped from the team but I think the openers did a fine job in the second test. People should realize the difference in conditions, India with all it’s batting might always struggle in NZ. So be realistic.

    Wasim has forgotten Younis was Pakistan’s top batsman in the T20 Cup. And I don’t think he knows what “prick” means; he probably thinks it’s a very fashionable or “cool” word. And his grammar is deplorable.

  275. #275 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2009 - 12:35 AM

    NOT JUST DEPLORABLE, but each time he opens his mouth it sucks like a Sharmoota doing a BJ for a Baddoo.

  276. #276 by Shoaib on December 10, 2009 - 2:30 AM

    lol@ behaving like an ‘arrogant prick’

    lol@ Sharmoota’s BJ

    Javed i can imagine you had a good time in Dubai 😀

  277. #277 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2009 - 3:51 AM

    Shoaib

    You are not aware of the background of that guy khansahab is talking about i.e., not imran but the other one and he uses that word like a takiya kalaam. And he is Shoaib Malik’s “Ball-ChinO.” As regards having good time in Dubai, you are letting your imagination run wild. Yes, I had good time with friends but, not with Sharmootas and Slutskayas, they are in abundance now and they are the ones who have ruined Dubai, and people like this guy keeps on visiting there trying to impress us by saying ‘we are investing heavily in Dubai. 😀

  278. #278 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2009 - 4:05 AM

    Making Pra Waqar a bowling coach is OK. Butttaaaaa, fielding coach? Zera Ziyadati nahee hai? Come to think of who could be a fielding coach from within Pakistan? There is not a single name that comes to my mind. The PCB should not even think of getting someone like Jonty Rhodes and pay through their nose. The solution, rather the first step in improving fielding is by making lush green grounds where fielders are not afraid to dive.

    In other countries there is a lot of grass in the outfield and players are trained to dive and stop the ball, whereas, if you dive on a ground which has a very hard surface then, you are bound to hurt yourself. Therefore, no one would like to dive on a sandpaper like ground and get injured. So, provide them with good grassy grounds instead of Butt face traveling in first class and staying in five star hotels with family.

    The second step is, rigorous training. Indian and Pakistani players spend too much time in leisure, eating out, discoing, partying, modeling, sponsoring ads etc. Since they have central contracts and when they are at home (in Pakistan) other than playing domestic cricket they must engage themselves in fielding practice a certain number of hours everyday. This is a kinda workout and they should not make excuses that they have to workout in the Gym.

    Inzamam translated his thoughts and used to wear a T-shirt saying: Eat, Sleep & Gym. We all know how much time he spent in a gym? For him standing in the slips is like working at a gym! 😀

  279. #279 by Mohammed Munir on December 10, 2009 - 4:19 AM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL / LMAO @ “each time he opens his mouth it sucks like a Sharmoota doing a BJ for a Baddoo.”

    Shoaib …

    How do you know about ‘Sharmoota’, have you lived in Dubai/ GCC ? 😉

  280. #280 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2009 - 2:53 AM

    O, wow – what a great team is Pakistan. Only they can do wonders. First it was Salman Nikki Butt to exit, he was clean bowled by Southee, even a school boy could have defended that straight ball, but Butt allowed it to pass through his KHYBER PASS BUTT. And, he has been so consistent like Malik, that he needs join him in the dressing room to give some company to that loser Malik who has finally been dropped.

    Then we have three eggs omelet in a row, the biggest one is in the name of thy Moulana who prefers to sit and drink and loves to lay eggs while he is standing.

    Then it was Misbah, who knows all the new and innovative ways to get out but, I don’t know how he manages to stay in the team?

    And, one cannot blame Umar Akmal because, he is still a chick or a kitten and, he followed his Imam Yousuf.

    At one stage Pakistan were 51/5 it appeared that they want to prove to New Zealand team that they are not the only ones to get out for 99 but, Pakistan can do better unfortunately they surpassed the 99 total and are now 128/6. Somehow its a miracle that Imran Fart is still playing and I don’t know whether it is a chance less innings or what? And, young Aamer is again playing a gritty innings whereas he is only a bowler and whatever he makes is a bonus. So, lets see whether its a big fat bonus and whether Imran succeeds in making a century to retain his position as an opener.


    Faisal Iqbal
    , if he cannot score 70-80 runs in the second innings, his career is over, whether his uncle stands up on one leg or three, he’s gone if he cannot make that many runs in the second innings.

    Salman Butt, even if he makes a double Butt, he will still be in the squad till he transforms from Nikki Butt to Wadee Butt and from Wadee Butt to Wrinkly Butt.

    Fawad Alam if he wants to be in the team, needs to stand right behind Moulana Yousuf in the Jamaat during the Tahajud prayers and also sink his chin in a bowl of water with some “Angro-urea” in it to grow a beard asap.

  281. #281 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2009 - 3:10 AM

    Farhat survived so many times playing erratic shots and only his luck taking him towards his hundred. When he was on 85 someone wrote this comment on cricinfo:

    Zaidi from Canada: “Farhat should be in casino right now. Hes wasting his time on the crease. ”

    LOL how true, when your luck is favouring you, you should be in the casino. 😀

  282. #282 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2009 - 3:32 AM

    My bad, he made it, he just scored his century in 138 balls with 12 fours and a six, a strike rate of 72.5 not bad for test matches. So, now he is there for all the next 8 matches that will be played in Australia.

    Aamer on the other hand scored another 23 and somehow getting labeled as a 20-25 player. He needs to focus beyond that, he gets involved into decent partnerships and plays well, so he should not consider himself as a bowler only. He is a good batsman and must improve from here as a good all-rounder. After all he scored that record confident 78 runs against NZ in Dubai along with Ajmal…….. it means he has the potential and the ability.

    Now, Gul’s luck is being shadowed by Farhat’s and so far he swung the bat twice and got two boundaries. As long as the runs keep coming and if they manage to get past 200, the match is on.

  283. #283 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2009 - 3:36 AM

    Here is something on cricinfo:

    Max from New Zealand has a poser: “If you’re Yousof and your team is 220/9 with an hour to play in the day will you declare and try to get a few early nz wickets considering their fragility and the fact that they have a debutant opening? or do u just hope your tailenders can get you a few extra runs?”

    Knowing Yousuf, I will say KIMPOSSIBLE, especially if Farhat is still batting. I wouldn’t do that if Farhat is batting but, if he is out, I would declare the innings and attack the NZ batting lineup to get at least 2-3 wickets before the close of the day’s play.

  284. #284 by Shoaib on December 11, 2009 - 4:13 AM

    ……,

  285. #285 by Shoaib on December 11, 2009 - 4:30 AM

    Munir,
    I just googled the word sharmoota 😀

    Javed, naa that’s alright brav i wasn’t picking on you,I just enjoyed it 🙂

  286. #286 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2009 - 7:55 AM

    Shoaib

    These days you can “Google” almost everything, and if you Google, “Slutskaya” you will get Irina Slutskaya she is known for her athletic ability on the skates and she was probably the first female skater to land a triple lutz-triple-loop combination, perhaps she was also world champion thrice. And, we are NOT talking about Irina Slutskaya but, another one who happens to be an imitation jeweler and is the product of “Sluts & Lutz”.

    The army guys in cantonment areas salute everything that moves and whitewash everything else that is standing or stationery. Likewise this person, whenever he sees anything standing, he gets nightmares and calls it ‘an arrogant prick.’ It appears that he has been a victim of an arrogant guy and then by his prick. 😀 So, that’s his ‘pain – do’ connection which is haunting him ever since and he cries in pain. 😉

  287. #287 by Maza786 on December 11, 2009 - 4:25 PM

    On day one the honours are held firmly with NZ who are in a driving commanding seat position. The platform to seal a victory to bid Ian’O Brien a fond farewell and win a compelling test series victory has been set up nicely. With the exception of Imran Farhat’s ton which came at a time in which he had to click gave as a positive along with some gutsy lower order contributions to get Pakistan to something respective from 51/5 which must have inevitably been a gloomy patch in the away Napier ground dressing room.

    The failure of the middle order speaks volumes and kind of summarises Pakistan’s amazing capability to collapse under the spotlight. The ducks came from MY, Umar and Misbah. We can forgive Umar because he has been splendid and adorable during the series and must have just been an “off day” for him. But what has Misbah’s return brought thus far? Many a man will say Jack all. One really has to question PCBs decision to bring him back to the fame when he was virtually ditched. He is already a tried and tested player. My preference would have been a younger batsmen player, even Safraz Ahmed. Why are we going back to Mr Medicore? This just highlights the ridiculous mindset and planning of the PCB selection committee. They are too indecisive in decision making. If u have dropped Misbah you just stick with it. He had a long enough run to prove himself as a player and was clearly inconsistent and just “hanging around in the set-up”- not respectable.

    Pakistan had a chance to redeem themselves with the ball and restore some pride and hope before they departed to the hotels overnight. However, they were wicketless as the NZ openers played cautiously and sensibly to accomplish NZ situation for the day. Therefore, I would like to conclude by saying I’m a disappointed supporter with what
    the scorecard speaks today for Pak.

    Misbah is the culprit whereas today’s heroes are Farhat and O Brien. He of course will be renown for his swash buckling explosive bowling action which resulted in the flourish of skid pace which was able to defeat the very best in the business such as Dravid, Vaughan and Yousuf. But also for his blogging credentials, being one of the few players that had the time to do such things.

  288. #288 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2009 - 5:57 PM

    Abdul, “I am thank you” for your commentary on day 1 play, away @ “Napier Road,” dressing room gloomy patch. Excellent comments from you. And, ‘you are very rightly said’ and questioned PCB’s Butt: “Butt what has Misbah’s return brought thus far? Many a man will say Jack all.

    I think on your keyboard the alphabet S has been replaced by L. I understand what you want to say. And, you have “wonderfully say”: They are too indecisive in decision making. If u have dropped Misbah you just stick with it. As they say, stick it or shove it up one’s “aLL”. Dwayne Bravo ya Abdul. 😀

  289. #289 by Maza786 on December 11, 2009 - 6:58 PM

    The future stars of Pakistan cricket:

    Usman Qadir
    Azeem Ghumman
    Babar Azam
    Raza Hasan

    Umar Akmal,Fawad Alam and Mohammad Aamer have some company in years to come. Cricket and Pakistan cricket needs “young blood” because as Allama Iqbal famously quoted: “Let the youth speak”.

    BTW, guys who do u feel is the best Pakistani cricket writer? I would say Faras Ghani and kamran Abbasi. It’s a pity we don’t have as good commentators as we do with writers. I don’t necessarily believe there needs to be the audacity of having international cricket experience to become a successful commentator. If u have a good understanding of the game and are fluent in speaking unlike Waqar Younis u are well on the way.

  290. #290 by khansahab on December 11, 2009 - 7:31 PM

    Comment on Pakspin from someone called “Adnan”:

    For those who do not believe politics is not invovled in Pak’s cricket. Look at the origin of cricketer from the first Test that Pak lost. It is easy to see a pattern. It might also explain why simply / honest men like Afridi and Younis dont want to play for Pak anymore.

    Imran Farhar: Lahore, Punjab
    Salman Butt: Lahore, Punjab
    Mohammad Yousuf: Lahore, Punjab
    Umar Akmal: Lahore, Punjab
    Kamran Akmal: Lahore, Punjab
    Misbah-ul-Haq: Mianwali, Punjab
    Mohammad Aamer: Gujjar Khan, Punjab
    Mohammad Asif: Sheikhupura, Punjab
    Shoaib Malik: Sialkot, Punjab
    Saeed Ajmal: Faisalabad, Punjab
    Umar Gul: Peshawar, North-Western Frontier

  291. #291 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2009 - 12:39 AM

    khansahab

    Whao ! That’s some guts to call a spade, a spade. Its like PIA is Punjab International Airlines (employees wise) and this team is also Punjab International. I heard someone mentioning that Ijaz Butt objected to 10 players from Karachi in the squad for under-19 by saying “why the HELLO have you selected 10 players from Karachi?” Is it true?

    Abdul you have forgotten to mention about LS writers ;-). And, I certainly agree with you that you don’t have to be a former test cricketer or some Turram Khan to be a good commentator.

    I believe in the good old days it wasn’t like this. But, I am not sure and I request someone, anyone can please correct me whether Pakistan’s, Omer Kureishi, Chishti Mujahid, Iftekhar Ahmad and BBC’s, Brian Johnston, Christopher Martin-Jenkins, Henry Blofeld and his appetite for (Jhumkay in Sharjah) earrings etc., were ex-test cricketers? I think they were simply sports journalists and test match commentators for BBC.

    In my opinion none of the current Pakistani commentators know the art of commentating, they verbose and we laugh at Waqar because he is like a court jester, he entertains us when the match is dull and boring. Since he will be officiating as bowling and fielding coach for Pakistan team, he will be missed as a commentator.

  292. #292 by khansahab on December 12, 2009 - 8:55 AM

    Maza

    The best cricket writers are Khansahab and Javed A Khan.

  293. #293 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2009 - 9:27 AM

    Once again the NZ lower middle order i.e., BB Mac and Dan. Vett. too strong for Pakistani bowling and what a good and useful player Vettori is, he always comes under pressure and helps his side with a fighting knock and I guess this is his second century of the tour? Anyways with a lead of 123 now with 4 wickets in hand the can extend the lead up to 180 or 200 and Pakistan will be under pressure straight away.

    newguy

    Wake up its India’s second T20 in about a few hours from now. Sreesanth is down with the Swine Flu *H1N1* Btw, are you guys getting this H1N1 shots? Here the deadline is December 18th.

  294. #294 by Maza786 on December 12, 2009 - 9:32 AM

    @ comment 427. I don’t believe there is any regionalism in the national side. Players are simply selected on merit.

  295. #295 by Shoaib on December 12, 2009 - 10:41 AM

    my request to the Managers of LS…..plz give us a new blog, i am fed up looking at Sachin’s photo firstt hing when you open the website from last 1 month. 😀 thanks

  296. #296 by Shoaib on December 12, 2009 - 10:46 AM

    …..:) and when i read the phrase”the living legend” next to Sachin’s photo, i dont why but another phrase crossed my mind each time ”Zinda Peer” 😀

  297. #297 by newguy on December 12, 2009 - 3:40 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I woke up in time to catch India’s chase of another 200+ score, this time they chased it down in. Birthday boy Youvraj celebrating in style with 3 wickets first and 60 runs with 5 sixes. It’s 1-1 to both teams in T20, over to ODIs now. Both teams fielded terribly, India continued their new skill of dropping sitters, they dropped 5 catches and helped SL to 206, SL returned the favor by dropping catches themselves and missing run outs.

    I am not impressed by both matches, more I watch T20 more it looks like a game of luck to me rather than skill, surely there is some skill required, but more often than not it is just get out there are biff the ball, if you connect you get a good score if not you get out. This is what all of them did, Sanga in 2 games, Dhoni and Youraj today. Sehwag is an exception since he plays like this in all forms of the games and he plays regular shots.

    Good fun for the crowd I guess anyway.

  298. #298 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2009 - 6:43 PM

    THE SEHWAG EFFECT….. when Sehwag started whacking the SL front line bowlers (Kulasekara & Mathews) they forgot their line and length, especially Mathews 43 in 3 overs and in the second spell when he came to bowl the last over, he bowled a length ball which Yuvraj dispatched it for a six. He ended up with 49 runs in 3.1 overs, probably his worst bowling figures ever and that is – THE SEHWAG EFFECT.

    India has won mainly because of Sehwag. I did not wait for the MoM presentation, I guess they must have given it to the Birthday Boy for his 3 wickets and 60 in 25 balls. But, if it was not for Sehwag, things would have been different. Yuvraj looked very committed and determined from the moment he arrived and Dhoni too played a better role than last times innings. Anyways, I agree with newguy that it appears more like luck than skill. And, I am sure the ODI will determine the real skills.

    Pakistan is giving away the match on a platter to NZ, Vettori was dropped on 97 by the bowler himself Danish Kaneria. I dunno how many more catches were dropped and how many more run outs were missed.

    Abdul, first you please understand the meaning of regionalism and then give your verdict. You have yourself mentioned that Misbah shouldn’t have been in the team and why did they not play Fawad Alam? You want to know why? Because, Fawad Alam is a poor miskeen from Karachi and Misbah belongs to the Royal Family and also carries the MBA tag with his name.

    You have seen that finally Malik has been dropped but, Salman Butt is always selected no matter how many times he makes a duck or gets out under 10 to put the team under pressure. He has the Royal Blood in his……………………… name 😉

  299. #299 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2009 - 7:03 PM

    “plz give us a new blog”

    Shoaib

    You mean a new thread? Legslip is a blog btw and we write threads and then we post comments. 😀

    Actually, a new thread is due, it was supposed to be done this week-end by khansahab but, he has to travel this week-end. Besides, he is very busy at work during the week days. Awas too is out of town so its just me. Mais je suis ici avec vous des gars and, I have been approving and posting the comments but, I don’t have enough energy to write a new thread because, I am a wee bit down and under the weather.

    Its freaking cold out here now with low temperatures hovering around -12 to -17C and with wind chill its even high. A few days ago we had snow blizzard with 2 feet of snow and when the “Baraf Ka Jamadar” starts piling up on the sides and makes snowbanks on the sides, the heaps are as high as 4-5 feet. In short we are now in deep freeze.

    It always happens that when the weather changes so much, so fast everyone is down and under the weather but, then after a while everyone is ready to brace a long, cold and stretched winter and starts going out in the snow instead of hibernating like some desis by having parties and gossiping at home. Like the say take the bull by its horn, you have to go out skiing, tobogganing or, even hanging out in the snow to get acclimatize. Anyways, be patient, will write a new thread, if you have something to contribute, email me and this goes for everyone including newguy.

  300. #300 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2009 - 11:53 PM

    This match is slipping away from Pakistan’s hand, the lead is getting bigger and bigger, Daniel Vettori is playing well. Umar Gul and Faisal Iqbal both dropped a catch each of Tuffey, the bowler was Danish Kaneria. Himself he dropped a caught and bowled simple chance of Vettori when he was on 97. Now, they have to pay a price for poor fielding. I don’t know how they got out on a wicket which is so easy to play and score runs. Bowlers like Umar Gul, Aamer, Tuffey they all are scoring whereas our Heroes scored Zeros.

  301. #301 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2009 - 4:58 AM

    Shame on Pakistan team to let New Zealand score so many runs and to take a lead of 248 runs and a player like Tuffey could score 80 runs and still they couldn’t get him out. Both Pakistani openers are still there on 43 and 47 but, Pakistan still trailing behind by 150 odd runs with 2 more days to go plus 20 more overs to be bowled today.

    Realistically, there is no chance of Pakistan saving this match. It is only a matter of time that they will crumble and even if they take a petite lead, it won’t matter much because there is so much time left in this match.

    Danish Kaneria got 7 wickets but gave away 168 runs that is too many runs but, then he is the only leading wicket taker with a marathon session of 53 overs, Gul and Aamer bowled 54 overs between them. That way it is only one wicket for 188 runs from 54 overs. Therefore this stupid policy of playing with ONLY four bowlers in test match team is beyond my “Akhroat Brain.”

    This is really very, very stupid, because they are burning out Kaneria
    and must have the 5th and 6th bowler option. This is where the all-rounders come handy. Not only they relieve the bowlers from bowling marathon sessions but, also partnerships are broken by introduction of new bowlers.

    I know Farhat bowls and a few times he has taken wickets, it doesn’t matter how many but he should have been used for a change. Maulana Yousuf should have scratched his balls instead of his beard to realize that Farhat can bowl so he should have given him a few overs. He never used Malik as a bowler in this entire series. I don’t know on which AssMaan is he dreaming while he is captaining the side?

  302. #302 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2009 - 5:16 AM

    Thanks to Pakistan’s pathetic fielding, NZ went on to score a massive 471 with a huge lead of 248 in the first innings. I think saving this Test from here will not be easy, let alone winning it.

    However, for a change and may be since it is the last innings of the final Test of the series, our openers are playing fine. Pakistan is 109 without any wicket, it must be a century stand by our openers in a long long time, and both openers have scored 50s. Butt is a butt, but special mention of Imran Farhat, who is playing a good innings after a century in the first. Pakistan still trail by 139.

    Seems like our batters will now try harder to cement their places for the Australian series. Misbah, Faisal, and others will also try to play out of their skin to keep the selector’s confidence in them. How very predictable ?

  303. #303 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2009 - 6:25 AM

    Stumps Day 3 …

    Pakistan still trailing by 120 runs, but quite surprisingly, they are 128 without any wicket, as Butt is playing at 66 and Imran is at 55.

    Two full day’s play is remaining and Pakistan is just a wicket away from another of their usual collapses, which we see more often then not.

    Unfortunate but true !!

  304. #304 by Maza786 on December 13, 2009 - 12:00 PM

    What a fantastic turn around!! Have the Pakistani openers turned a new screw? Is this the answer to our continuous endless problems at the top of the order? They batted for 56 overs and have consequently rescued the teams overall chances in the ending series result. With Kaneria in form and Pakistan having all ten wickets in tact I’m optimistic of a victory. Farhat and Butt way to go.

  305. #305 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2009 - 3:32 PM

    Abdul, you call this a turn around? Being optimistic is something else but you seems to be living in some cuckoo land to imagine a victory. Like Munir has said, one wicket and then you see a collapse and this happened not just once but many times. So, better be realistic and be prepared to accept the defeat.

    I also agree that the losers and jeepers will try their best to cement their place in the squad for Australian tour otherwise, the careers of players like Misbah and Faisal Iqbal will be over. Butt has cemented his “spot” with super glue. Shoaib Malik must be cursing himself now, but he is already there in the squad and nothing will stop him from playing in place of Faisal Iqbal.

    My question still remains unanswered i.e., why the HELLO Moulana Yousuf played with only 4 bowlers?

  306. #306 by newguy on December 13, 2009 - 4:38 PM

    Hi Guys,

    Napier test seems to be heading towards a draw. Although there are two days left in the match and NZ is leading by 120 runs, Pakistan with unbroken opening stand has gained a lot. Rest of batsmen should be able to play for as long as they want since the pitch offers nothing. I don’t think NZ will fold within a day or less on this pitch either. On this very same ground, Gautam Gambhir and Rahul Dravid played out a whole day when India toured early this year, they lost only 1 wicket on 4th day that of Dravid that too after tea I believe. Gambhir batted 10 hours on this ground and there was nothing bowlers could do. So, if the batsmen wants to settle in and play out they can.

    I think Test series will go 1-1, this will be quite a good achievement for Pakistan given the state of Test cricket for them of late. Australia tour will be tougher, but given that Aussies are not in great form and given how last test match with WI went, I think it’s probably going to be more closer than most think.

  307. #307 by Maza786 on December 13, 2009 - 6:07 PM

    I think Maulvi Yousuf played with 4 bowlers because it worked in the last test match and a lot of time Pakistan team are accused of chopping and changing too frequently. Also bowlers like Kaneria and Asif have got high stamina rates and therefore can bowl many overs. Additionally, Shoiab Malik and Imran Farhat are more than capable of getting their arms over if required.

  308. #308 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2009 - 11:25 PM

    newguy

    either you are trying to be too optimistic or too sympathetic towards Pakistan. There is no way Pakistan can save this match. Like I have said, its only a matter of time when they will crumble like a deck of cards. Besides, Gambhir and Dravid are not in the same league as Salman and Farhat, they have just managed to survive the day doesn’t mean they will play the whole day – the 4th day.

    My bad, Butt is gone on the 3rd ball of the day. My point about having a 5th or a 6th bowler option which Vettori used in his favour whereas Moulana Yousuf couldn’t even think about it. Vettori started the day with his part time bowler Guptil and on the 3rd ball of the day Butt is gone without adding a single run to his overnight total and he gave a simple catch.

    Perhaps he was assured by Wadee Butt, “Toada selection justify ho gaya, tusi ab Asstraylia day wastay wee pukkay ho gaye O,” that was enough for him to score 66 runs and also getting involved in a partnership of 129 runs and getting a Lahore Da Jame Bands License to Kill.

  309. #309 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2009 - 11:29 PM

    Oh my God, Guptil got his second victim, irrational and emotional shot from Farhat, he jumped out of the crease to hit him hard and gave a simple catch back to the bowler. Are they playing a T20 match today?

    See, newguy this is exactly what I was saying a few minutes ago and its happening. Faisal Iqbal would try to hold his place under his teeth and will play a game of his life, but Moulana Yousuf is capable of getting him run out. I am not saying it will happen but, it is very likely to happen.

  310. #310 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2009 - 11:43 PM

    Abdul

    You understand the Moulvis better than anyone else on this blog because of your close association with Moulvi Bushy Mushy, Mouvi Saqi and Moulana Yousuf, so may be you are right.

    As far as I can see, in the second test the pitch was assisting the fast bowlers and the bowlers got the NZ team under 100 and that doesn’t happen all the time. Besides, the bowlers are human beings and not machines. Their stamina may have been OK till the second test and, secondly in that match they were getting the wickets on a regular basis so that kept the motivation and the adrenaline high.

    But, to keep on using only 4 bowlers in a 3 test series is a simpleton’s idea. If you continue the same 4 bowlers for a 5 test match series then forget about leading the team, you don’t even deserve to be playing international cricket

    If the bowlers don’t get a wicket and the pitch is not assisting them, especially in a test match where the batsman is not tempted to play anything that is pitching outside the off-stump then the bowlers get frustrated and lose their line and length, then you need more bowling options.

    You may call Younus Khan an Akhroat, but he changed the bowling frequently, he is not a bowler but he bowled just for a change and even got a wicket or two. Just like Vettori used Guptil and got 2 wickets in the first 2-3 overs.

    Captaincy is an art and some people are gifted with that art and some acquire it but, Moulana Yousuf doesn’t have that talent, he is a gifted batsman, he wasn’t born with the talent to lead or has the ability to acquire it from experience, his captaincy is as bad as his fielding.

  311. #311 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2009 - 11:51 PM

    Now, look at the way Yousuf is batting, he is simply blocking every single ball, you cannot hit sixes and fours when Vettori is bowling but, you can rotate the strike and take singles, just like Faisal Iqbal is doing, he is scoring in singles and hitting an odd four his strike rate is 62 whereas, Yousuf has scored 4 runs in 24 balls a strike rate of 16. By doing this he is putting undue pressure on Faisal Iqbal. Rotating the strike is very important, it is not just that he should keep on blocking every ball and hope to play for 2 days! No way, you have to play long and also score runs to take the lead that will have a dual effect. But, right now he cannot see what is needed, he only wants to stay at the crease. Its a proven thing that when you become too much defensive, you lose your wicket. So, lets see how long he survives this way?

  312. #312 by newguy on December 14, 2009 - 1:16 AM

    Javed,

    I was neither being too optimistic or too sympathetic towards Pakistan when I made my earlier comment. It was based on the pitch quality, bowling quality, and the way openers have batted, I did say though that the batsmen need to apply themselves, if they are not committed and give up their wickets like the openers did to part time pie chucker Guptil then nothing can save them. I was shocked by the lack of application from openers and the casual way they treated value of their wickets, after having settled in to a 128 run stand they should have been bit more careful, Ok I can see one batsman playing a loose shot in the morning when he hasn’t got his eye in, but second one has not excuse.

    That said, Yousuf and rest of the batsmen should be able to get themselves in and play well, but their approach is baffling, first of all they have to understand they are not trying to save them match, from yesterday’s position they should be looking to overhaul the lead as early as possible and then distance themselves as far as possible away so NZ cannot get it, once they have 200+ lead on board they can start thinking about winning the game.

    But it seems they are just trying to save the game, there is a lack of planning going on here I suspect.

  313. #313 by Mohammed Munir on December 14, 2009 - 4:45 AM

    Umar Akmal is again playing in his usual reckless fashion and has scored 13 runs off just 15 balls, including a six. Someone should remind him that we are playing a Test here and not a T20.

    The Captain Sahab, as expected, is standing right in the middle with him but feels helpless to stop or guide young Umar. Here you need a strong captain who can rein in young and rash players.

    This match is surely not safe yet !!

  314. #314 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2009 - 5:51 AM

    newguy & Munir;

    When Yousuf was playing at a strike rate of 14, I got so bored and cheesed off that I turned off the computer and went to bed. After a few hours of sleep, curiosity and cricket craziness brought me back to check the score and see what happened? To my surprise only Faisal Iqbal got out after scoring 67 runs, he lost a golden opportunity to score more runs to cement his place (although he scored more than Farhat and Butt, but that is not enough for a Karachi guy to cement his place).

    Right now rain has stopped the play and PK are 331/3 perhaps the remaining 12 overs of the day may not be bowled today. That could either be a blessing or a curse. In one way the time is consumed but, the negative side for PK is, they may come again in the morning and get Guptilized like today, that will be the end of the story. All the good work done today could be Misbahed tomorrow.

    Obviously the match is not safe yet from PK’s point of view and, Moulana is still scoring at a strike rate of 42 which some people may call it as OK but, from my point of view its a bit defensive tactics, at least Umar Akmal by playing his natural game and he is increasing the lead, which means NZ have to score that many runs to win. That is because, time is not the only criterion.

    Vettori is also being criticized by experts for not taking advantage of the 248 runs lead but also for setting a very defensive field from the onset. He is lucky that Guptil got 2 wickets in his first 2 overs and mainly it is due to the usual sense of complacency shown by the openers, B&F.

    Munir, I think it is better that Umar Akmal is playing his natural game, he is not pacing himself like he usually does in T20 or ODI, just look at his 36 in 62 balls, a strike rate it is 58 which is well below the normal test match scoring strike rate (which is generally 70)

    IMO, if Moulana starts giving his Wa’az to Umar then, it could have a negative impact on the youngster and if he contains his shots, there will hardly be any runs on the board. I am glad that Moulana has not gotten anyone or himself run out. He has this knack of getting run out and holds a world record for that. Like Misbah is famous for finding new ways for getting out.

  315. #315 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2009 - 10:19 AM

    Check out this picture of Faisal Iqbal appeared on cricinfo, by clicking on the link below. It is a very rare sight that you see a batsman, especially a right hand batsman playing a very stylish shot by leaning his body so much on one side and, then playing a shot on one foot.

    I haven’t seen much of Faisal Iqbal except for watching his one innings live on TV that he played against India in Pakistan a few years ago and scored a century in the second innings, that is probably his only test hundred. But, what was remarkable about that innings was the way he played Tendulkar’s leg breaks and googlies with so much ease and perfection. (Reportedly he played well against Shane Warne and Murali as well.)

    Tendulkar was bowling around the wicket and he was pitching the ball outside the leg stumps giving no room to play against the spin with a packed field settings on the on-side. I saw Faisal playing the same shot twice by shifting his body weight totally on one side and playing the shot in the opposite side (not like the one in this picture), he leaned back and hit a four off Tendulkar in the extra-cover region, it was well short of a six. He then again played similar shot for the second time, this time he cleared the ropes for a six. It showed a lot of talent and I remember Tendulkar was a bit amazed at that shot and said something to him – perhaps a few words of appreciation.

  316. #316 by Mohammed Munir on December 14, 2009 - 12:01 PM

    This is what Guttill has to say about the Test …

    According to Guptill, New Zealand could “definitely” win this Test. “They are 100 ahead but you just put a couple wickets in early and they’re under the pump,” he said.

    Gutill thinks he will daily take two Pakistani wickets for breakfast 😉

    Javed Khan …

    I admire your “curiosity and cricket craziness”.

    BTW, I agree, Umar should play positively but with a batting line as fragile as ours, I think it is better to go for a definite draw rather then a risky win. Secondly, I don’t think Pakistan have a real chance by getting the entire NZ team out in the second innings, in like two sessions, no matter how big the run lead may be.

    To me the possible results are in following order:

    1 – Draw ( 60% )

    2 – Pakistan looses ( 30% )

    3 – Pakistan wins ( 10% )

  317. #317 by newguy on December 14, 2009 - 1:51 PM

    Match look poised for a draw with Pakistan leading by 99 runs, if they can get another 100 more runs and take their innings past lunch, which they surely should, then NZ will need 200+ in under 2 sessions. This will make the match interesting, because NZ has a chance to go for it, and Pakistan has a chance to get wickets. If Pakistan innings go over an hour past lunch then the chance of result will be only Pakistan win, conversely if NZ bowl out them before lunch then the chance will be NZ win. Everything will depend on the 1st hour of play tomorrow. We’ll know by then the direction of this game.

    It has been an interesting series so far, because in all games all results were possible going into 5th day. This makes Test cricket very interesting to follow.

  318. #318 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2009 - 6:47 PM

    newguy & Munir

    Interesting permutations and assumptions from both of you but, like nweguy has said the first hour of the day will show us in which direction the game is heading towards? That is what everyone is looking at.

    Munir, “I think it is better to go for a definite draw rather then a risky win.” If they play for a definite draw then the chances of losing are more, because the lead is not enough. And without the lead the the odds of losing the match increase. Therefore, the more runs on the board, the more chances of going for a draw. Because, then they will also not take chances.

    Anyways, for Pakistan winning is like a dream, they should focus on adding 100 plus runs before the lunch even with the loss of a wicket or two, and then the tail must play at least for an hour and that will be a bonus. NZ will not go for 230 or so in 3 hours. If they do, then they are taking the risk. Then it will be really interesting. However, the fast bowling is not working for either team and to expect a miracle from Kaneria is asking too much

  319. #319 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2009 - 6:49 PM

    Since last night I am having problems uploading comments, I am not sure if this is my local server problem or is it wordpress problem, I keep getting disconnected and its taking me ages to approve comments and upload comments. Are you guys having problems accessing WP?

    khansahab, please comment on this….. it could be a WP admin problem.

  320. #320 by Maza786 on December 14, 2009 - 10:11 PM

    @448 of course Yousuf isn’t captaincy material. In the long term he will toil.

    Pak have shown determination to save this match. Can they do it ? hmmmmmmm I wonder ………

  321. #321 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2009 - 11:42 PM

    Abdul

    What long term are you talking about? Yousuf is already 35 plus and he is lucky to be named as captain for the Australian series as well and that will probably be his last test appearance after that. If you were talking about Umar Akmal or Mohammad Aamer then that is a different case.

    Misbah what a waste of a player he is, he hogged 67 balls to score 7 pathetic runs. He should not be in the Australian squad. What a waste of money, they sent him to replace Fawad Alam.

    NO wonder why Misbah’s career is so pathetic that he was selected and dropped and forgotten and suddenly that inclusion in the T20 WC in place of Moulana Yousuf made him a hero, whereas the truth is he is a Zero.

  322. #322 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2009 - 12:00 AM

    The point that I have been emphasizing since yesterday that Pakistan needs to score runs and not just bat slowly to settle for a draw. Right now after one hour of play the lead is only 123, what if they play till lunch and take a lead of only 160 and then there is a collapse and anything under 200 with 3-4 hours to score, NZ will go for it.

    Therefore, Munir it isn’t a good idea to play tuk, tuk, like Yousuf and Misbah. Anyways, Yousuf scored 89 at a strike rate of 42 but, what about Misbah? Only 7 runs in 65 balls a pathetic strike rate of 10 point something.

    NZ has taken the new ball and it could work both ways, either they get thrashed by the Akmals or get one of them before lunch. Right now, Kamran is taking advantage, as I was writing this sentence he smashed two fours in a row of Martin.

  323. #323 by newguy on December 15, 2009 - 2:44 AM

    OK, so NZ needs 208 in 41 over to win this Test at 5 RPO. I would say that NZ need a Sehwag in their batting lineup to win this one, since they don’t have one chances are for a draw. Pakistan did well enough to stretch the game past lunch, it was very agonizing and ugly though. Let’s see if NZ will take the risk going for it.

  324. #324 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2009 - 4:47 AM

    newguy

    I am watching the Ind/SL match live on TV and enjoying Sehwag and Tendulkar’s batting because I know what will be the outcome of this PK/NZ match. Even though the lead is 207 and you are optimistic about PK winning but, I am not and look at the way they are playing right now 90/0 in 19 overs and only 118 needed in 23 overs there is no need of Sehwag but, Taylor and McCullum still to come. So, Maulana can scratch his beard and his balls.

    On the Rajkot front, Sehwag was on 23 and Tendulkar was on 21 in 3 overs he Sehwag scored 27 runs and was on 50 and then it was Tendulkar’s turn, he took a little more overs than Sehwag and was able to catch up Sehwag when he was 52. Then Sehwag started once again and both are taking turns in doing Sri Lankan Balatkaar. Two more sixes from Sehwag, 18 off the last over and it is a real carnage.

    Gavaskar should stop commentating and take up the role of Father Christmas or Santa Clause and name himself SantASSkar because of the way he is laughing Ho, Ho, Ho….. and even the Cuckoo called SivaRamaKrishna is immitating Gavaskar.


    Oh, PK must be feeling lucky as Rain gods have come to the rescue.

  325. #325 by newguy on December 15, 2009 - 4:50 AM

    Looks like rain has saved the match for Pakistan, NZ were having a go at it and a target of 118 runs with 23 overs to go with 10 wickets in hand was surely gettable, it was game on. Pakistan should thank rain gods, they did not do enough to save the match.

    On the Ind-SL ODI, it’s a massacre, Sehwag is butchering Kula, Mathews, and Co. I’ll keep up until Sehwag gets out.

  326. #326 by Mohammed Munir on December 15, 2009 - 4:58 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Actually I am not a big fan of ‘tuk-tuk’ style of batting, and I always prefer the ‘Afridi-style’ batting, but this is a different situation as we are on the last day of the last Test of the series, which also is a series-decider, so that was why I insisted with the slower batting rather then the rash shots from Umar Akmal who in spite of Yousuf’s non-stop lecturing slowed down a bit but still have the highest strike-rate in the Pakistan’s second innings, second only to Kaneria who scored 11 runs off 15 balls. That being said, I absolutely deplore the Misbah’s 7 runs off 65 balls, that was never what I intended by ‘playing slow’.

    I accept your point that attacking or at least playing a balanced game would have been a better option for Pakistan, rather then getting bogged down like this.

    Finally, as we were on the verge of loosing this Test and with it the entire series, rain-gods are taking sides with Pakistan and the game is stopped 😀

  327. #327 by Mohammed Munir on December 15, 2009 - 6:09 AM

    This is from Cricinfo …

    6.45pm The match has been called off as it is still raining in Napier. Rain has robbed the series of what had shaped to be an enthralling finish, so the series is drawn 1-1.

    New Zealand needed only 118 runs in around 23 overs with all 10 wickets in hand, when the rains stopped the game 😛

    Last scores remain at:

    Pakistan 223 & 455

    New Zealand 471 & 90/0 (19.0 ov)

    Match drawn

  328. #328 by Maza786 on December 15, 2009 - 9:43 AM

    Pak appear to be extremely lucky to have drawn this test match and consequently the series with this being a deciding encounter. The rain came to the rescue when NZ were giving us a scare. Nonetheless, the scoreline reads 1-1 which is a respective result when taking into consideration Pakistan were trailing the series having lost the first match and the lusty deficit they had to defend here in Napier. I feel the scoreline is a fair reflection of where the two sides stood in the series. It was a very competitive and compelling test series in which both sides very neck on neck.

    I feel Pakistan can take several positives and lessons forward into the Australian series. The bowling attack is certainly one of the positives as has been Umar Akmal’s sparkling batting. The omission of Misbah should be a lesson the selection committee have been taught. How long more are we going to accept mediocrity at international level? Only the PCB can tell us that.

    All in all I feel Pakistan can be satisfied with the overall series outcome.

    Javed, what I mean’t was I think Mohammad Yousuf will toil if he captains for 2 or 3 years. He doesn’t seem to have the natural leadership qualities. He can be kind of lazy in the field. He is neither energetic, innovative or motivating. He’s just about decent enough to fulfil the role for a short period of time. I disagree that he will retire following the Australian series as I feel he will want to participate in Pakistan’s big schedule in England next summer in which they play both Australia and England.

  329. #329 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2009 - 7:11 PM

    Moulana Yousuf’s prayers were not answered in one way but, they were answered in another way and he looks happy standing next to Daniel Vettori.

    newguy;

    You were supporting Pakistan throughout, except for the last moment when you wrote that the target 118 in 23 overs is gettable. I knew it from the outset that they will make it even when it was 208 in 41 overs. Lucky is the only word that can be used in this situation.

  330. #330 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2009 - 7:24 PM

    I watched the whole match (Ind/SL) live on TV all through the night, in fact it ended at 8:00 a.m. and only after that I went to bed and slept for a few hours. It was such a thrilling nail-biter that, even if one wanted to sleep or move away couldn’t do it. I was glued throughout. What a match, what a finish. Hats off to Sri Lanka, especially Dilshan and Sangakara for playing such entertaining cricket. Earlier it was Sehwag, Sachin and Dhoni but, Sangakara stole the show. Unlucky is the word that can be used in this situation.

    Somehow, I had this feeling that SL will chase it successfully, but when Mathews was out in the last over, it was all over. You can’t call SL a losing side especially after playing so well and chasing 414 and coming so close is a real valiant effort. The defeat should not dent or damper their hopes and if they play like this for the next 4 ODI’s, I really don’t care who wins. In the end it is cricket that wins the hearts of the spectators, supporters, fans and I guess everyone else who is watching or who have seen this match live.

    Although SL had no dearth in batting it was their bowling that was weak without their main line spinners. The track was helping spinners and only Harbhajan was able to contain a little bit, but Sangakara destroyed everyone especially Zaheer, with that 21 runs in one over. Zaheer Khan looked helpless and clueless, even Nehra got the same treatment from Sangakara and Dilshan. Lack of experience in the lower middle order batsmen of SL was the reason for not getting the last 3-4 runs. Still it doesn’t matter. I am waiting for the Nagpur match now. I hope that one will end up like this one.

  331. #331 by khansahab on December 15, 2009 - 8:01 PM

    Saeed Bin Nasir, prolific domestic level batsman for Pakistan has said in an interview that Sohail Khan, the international discard, is Pakistan’s fastest bowler.

  332. #332 by newguy on December 15, 2009 - 10:49 PM

    Javed,

    Yes, I did think that 200+ in under 50 overs will be very tough for this NZ team to chase, but I guess either I underestimated this NZ lineup or I overestimated Pakistan bowling and fielding. I guess they did not know they will go for it either until they built up a platform of 40/50 runs without a wicket and then started going for it, I guess once they got the target under 100 they would have gone berserk, at that point losing 1-2 wickets would not have mattered. Anyhow, rain came down and saved Pakistan, you can’t say for sure NZ would have won though, it was still a stiff ask, a few quick wickets and match would have turned. Last year similar thing happened with India needing just 2 more wickets against NZ to make it 2-0, rain came down and washed away whole afternoon, and NZ saved that match. That time it worked in their favor, this time it worked against them. They can’t complain. Anyhow, 1-1 is a good reflection of the how both teams played. No one had upper hand throughout the series. Pakistan did quite well given the low expectation from them before the series.

    I was shocked to see the result of IND-SL ODI, although match turned out to be a thriller in the end, for my tastes it was too much of a run glut. I like to see bit more balance between bat and ball, a score of 300 to 350 is the maximum I would like to see, whether batting first or chasing. 400+ is just too much.

    But Dishan and Sanga, what a performance, Sangakkara just carried on his form from T20 on to ODI, man of the match should have been either one of them, instead of Sehwag, it’s more easier to setup huge totals than chasing huge totals.

    Had SL won this game they would have had upper hand throughout the series, but not having won this may give India an edge, although I think ODI series will be closely fought. India’s fielding is appalling, they need to do something really quick about their catching, but they did well in the final overs to get 3 run outs and ZK/Nehra came back to bowl some good yorkers in the end. Both were demolished earlier.

  333. #333 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 16, 2009 - 12:26 AM

    newguy

    I dunno if you have watched the entire match live or saw the results later? I did, and I was watching it from my bed in my den (thats what I normally do for late night matches) and sometimes I doze off. But, this was such an exciting match and I had decided to see the Indian innings in any case. And, I thought, I will see a few overs of SL batting and then I will sleep, especially if they lose one or two wickets.

    But, it was a humdinger and a nail biter. During the last 3-4 overs I got up and sat on a sofa and was watching it. Normally, I experience this kinda excitement when Pakistan is playing but, this was an exception, may be because of the huge total. The second highest ever chase. I saw the Aus/SA match too but, wasn’t that excited, somehow I had a feeling that SA will win and I also had a feeling that SL would win this match, they came so close to winning and then lost it.

    It was the same kinda result when India Pakistan played the first ODI of the series in Karachi in 2004 March and Pakistan lost by 4 runs and once again it was Nehra who was bowling the last over of the match. The only difference was, then Nehra’s family were watching it on TV and here his wife was present in the stadium and the cameraman was focusing her all the time as if she is a celebrity. Anyways, she is definitely Nehra’s better half.

    I agree with you that the MOM should have gone to Dilshan or Sangakara. Sangakara was very aggressive and he could have even gone into record books if he had scored a century. It was a half hearted attempt to hit a six off Praveen Kumar, he could have easily pulled it over the ropes but, that was his fate. Anyways, it was a brilliant innings, very fast and very controlled aggression. You should have seen Zaheer’s face. And, Dhoni was hiding his face behind his gloves.

  334. #334 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 16, 2009 - 12:34 AM

    khansahab

    They want to ruin Sohail Khan’s career just like they did to Asim Kamal and now Fawad Alam and that is, only because he is a Pathan who lives in Karachi. If he was living in Lahore and playing for Lahore or Sialkot, he would have been in the team. Now, look at Misbah ul Haq, he is still going to Australia even after the pathetic performance and he will still play in all formats and he will still fail like he always does.

    Like Politics, like cricket – in Pakistan this is such a common thing that people are selected on the basis of regionalism and no where else but, in Pakistan that you see this kinda practice of openly promoting jingoism and nepotism to support their own kind. Its a shame and like it or not, we all have to live with this curse for God only knows how long?

  335. #335 by newguy on December 16, 2009 - 1:11 PM

    Javed,

    I saw Ind-SL highlights only, that too from the sopcasts, I don’t get it on TV over here, I don’t know how you manage to get everything live on TV. But I did see the overs where Sangakkara took Zaheer to the cleaners, and I saw Dhoni covering his face. There wasn’t much they could do at that time, but it was only a matter of when they will get out because when you play an innings like that you take on a lot of risks and eventually one mishit is all needed to get out. Sangakkara mistimed a pull, and Dilshan was beaten by Harbhajan. It was much like Tendulkar’s 175 against Australia, all the way there yet one mishit was all that was needed for fielding team to get back. Once these two got out, Zaheer and Nehra used their experience and bowled a lot of yorkers, in fact in the final five overs they did not give away many boundaries at all, despite having two good batsmen like Kandamby and Mathews at the crease. So in a way they fought back.

    Although it was a great chase, if I wasn’t supporting India then I would have wanted SL to win and would have been very disappointed they did not.

  336. #336 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 16, 2009 - 3:25 PM

    newguy

    On my sat. TV package, CBN is included (some other service providers like Rogers they have ATN and they show live matches too) and CBN shows most of the matches live. I hate streaming and watching on laptops or desktops. When it comes to games, or even otherwise, I prefer big screen TVs.

    Seeing live is different from watching highlights after the game. Till the end it never appeared that it was a one sided game. I understand your point that when you are aggressive you make mistakes and Sanga as well as Dilshan made mistakes. When Sehwag was batting Ravi Shastri was saying India could make 500 and Sehwag can make 200, yeah it was a possibility in theory but, actually doing and achieving is different. The target for SL was achievable until Mathews got out in the last over, no one expected Tendulkar could jump on his right so quick to grab a catch which was going to be a definite four. Mathews himself was shocked.

    Kandamby is not in form, I think they should have stuck to the original batting order plan about sending Jayasuriya at number 6-7 whatever it was. But, they changed when they had taken the batting power play and wanted to take advantage at the fall of wicket, but India countered it by bringing in Harbhajan and Jayasuriya was baited and that ploy failed. Also, Samaraweera should have been sent up instead of Kandamby. Anyways, these are all IFs and Butts wali baat hai.

  337. #337 by khansahab on December 16, 2009 - 8:06 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Did you mean to say that all non Punjabis are excluded, or only ones living in Karachi?

    You did not mean to imply that Imran Khan is a Pathan, did you? Because he is from Mianwali, and if he is a Pathan then I can also say I am a Pathan. Every Khan becomes a Pathan then, by default.

    I think this curse will last as long as “Pakistan” keeps being pronounced as “Pakastan” 🙂

  338. #338 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 16, 2009 - 9:35 PM

    khansahab

    whatever I want to say or I mean to say is not important, the important thing is people in Pakistan have forgotten the first word that Qaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah said and i.e., Unity ………. Faith & Discipline comes after in his choice of words. There is no unity among people of Pakistan. Faith is there (vo bhee naam ko) because we are born as Muslims and Discipline will never be there, because there is no Unity.

    Faith itself can teach a lot of discipline and unity if, the Faith is real and not just naam nehaad wala Emaan. This is very unfortunate that people in majority in Pakistan thinks that it is their birth right to rule Pakistan although in reality they did not make any sacrifice, Virsay may Punjab mil gaya. And, they never were in favour of a united Muslim front as Pakistan, neither Punjab nor NWFP nor Baluchistan. Only the province of Sindh and that too not the likes of G. M. Syed but, Pir Pagara’s Father who was hanged by the British army on charges of treason, he wanted Pakistan. And, then after hanging him, they took his son, the present Pir Pagara to England to educate him. LOL how farcical this whole epic is.

  339. #339 by khansahab on December 16, 2009 - 9:50 PM

    Javed A Khan

    All I can say is that your comments will make some people very upset- I know what you say is from the heart and you do not have a bad heart.

    Your unrelenting courage is admirable.

  340. #340 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 17, 2009 - 3:51 AM

    khansahab

    I don’t care about that Ichara Ka Choora, ‘coz I never bother reading his comments, in fact I don’t visit even Pakspin where he still writes. So, let him burn a few more of his xxxxx hair.

    I was reading an article on Pakistan’s first wicketkeeper and opening batsman, Imtiaz Ahmad and while looking at his profile on cricinfo I saw a picture on that page. Lo and behold who has honoured him? Parvez Musharaf.

    Below the photograph it is mentioned that Imtiaz Ahmad has been given a medal of honour by the President at the Golden Jubilee Gala of Pakistan cricket…….. and they did not even mention Parvez Musharaf’s name, I dunno why?

    Out of all the Presidents and Prime Ministers, the one and only who took keen interest in cricket is Pervez Musharaf whereas the rest of them are busy looting the country and eating Nihari, ShabDegh and then drinking Badaam Doodh without a burp. BCFMs

  341. #341 by Maza786 on December 17, 2009 - 3:28 PM

    PCB ni que Muhammad Sami ko wappis lia? Muji yeh samaj nahi aatha.

  342. #342 by Maza786 on December 17, 2009 - 3:33 PM

    The Pakistan Cricket Board has announced their 15-man squad for the ICC Under-19 World Cup, which takes place in New Zealand from January 15-30, 2010. Talented batsman Azeem Ghumman, who lead the side to the final of a tri-series in Sri Lanka involving the hosts and Bangladesh recently, will continue to captain.

    The bi-annual tournament involves 16 teams with Pakistan facing West Indies, Papua New Guinea and Bangladesh in the group stages. Pakistan’s first match in the group stages will be against West Indies on January 15, followed by Papua New Guinea on January 18 and Bangladesh on January 20. The top two teams in each group will progress to the quarter-finals.

    The squad will leave for New Zealand on December 30. Prior to that it will assemble for a training camp at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore from December 16-27 under the supervision of coach Ijaz Ahmed.

    Pakistan’s best result at the U-19 World Cup was in 2003 when they defeated West Indies to win the tournament and then in 2006 when they trumped India in a thrilling final.

    Squad: Azeem Ghumman (capt), Babar Azam, Ahsan Ali, Ahmed Shahzad, Rameez Aziz, Mohammad Naeem, Mohammad Waqas, Hammad Azam, Sarmad Bhatti, Anop Ravi, Raza Hassan, Usman Qadir, Shahzaib Ahmed, Kaleem Sana, Fayyaz Butt.

    Good luck young greens !

  343. #343 by Maza786 on December 17, 2009 - 3:42 PM

    Why on earth is Muhammad Sami recalled? His average in test cricket is 51 runs per wicket which is very expensive. He is another of those tried and tested players. Why do the PCB keeping going backwards instead of forwards? A diabolical decision like that of recalling Misbah. Sohail Khan and Talha should be given chances instead. Anyone with me?

  344. #344 by Maza786 on December 17, 2009 - 3:52 PM

    Ramiz Raja and Waqar Younis have stated that Australia is beatable. I agree with their statements since even WI can compete with them and what a mediocre side they are in this day and age. Some have questioned whether they should even have test cricket status, their that weak.

    Also since the absences of Warne, Gilchrist and McGrath Australia have lost their dominance and ruthlessness on the international stage. They are going through a re-building process in test cricket. England beat them in the ashes and SA beat them last year in a test series so surely Pakistan isn’t a million miles off.

  345. #345 by Maza786 on December 17, 2009 - 3:58 PM

    In my opinion this giant should have been selected for the Australian tour :

    http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/429981.html

  346. #346 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 17, 2009 - 5:36 PM

    “A diabolical decision like that of recalling Misbah.”

    Abdul, did you get this word “diabolical” from the movie Superman or Batman? In what sense you call Misbah’s decision a diabolical one?

  347. #347 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 17, 2009 - 5:43 PM

    Abdul

    Ramiz Raja and Waqar Younus can blab anything and that doesn’t change the reality and the facts. Without Shahid Afridi and Abdul Razzaq in the test team, Pakistan is not going to win a single test match in Australia. Even ODI’s would be difficult, their only chance is a solo T20 game and that too depends on that day. And, mind you neither WI nor NZ are a weak side. Gayle is unlucky not to have Chanderpaul in his team and Vettori is unlucky that Bond is not in his team.

    Anyways, why Misbah is in the team? This is a very, deadly, dangerous and diabolical decision to me also. 😉 If you find out, please enlighten ALL of us here on LS

  348. #348 by Maza786 on December 17, 2009 - 8:36 PM

    Firstly who is “Abdul” ?

    I would classify it as “diabolical” because Misbah had numerous opportunities to prove himself in the past. He wasn’t going to bring through anything positive in the long term of events because age is catching up with him and I’m sure we will see the road end for him sooner than later or even him calling it a day himself. One way or the other it would have been much more logical to introduce a young batsman whom could play for a decade or more instead.

    But above all what made it utterly diabolical was the indecisiveness of the PCB. Misbah had been dropped from a provisional squad for all 3 formats. But yet within a couple of weeks he got recalled which says something about the PCBs planning and decision making.

  349. #349 by khansahab on December 17, 2009 - 8:39 PM

    Maza

    Abdul wohi jiss key baray mai kissi ney kya khoob kaha hai……….

    Subah ka khoya ghar wapas aaye toh usko khoya nahi kehtey, balkay Abdul chu***a kehtay hain…………….

  350. #350 by Maza786 on December 17, 2009 - 8:42 PM

    Misbah is dangerous. I agree. No not for his batting but he is the centre culprit for creating politics in the team which made YK so upset.

  351. #351 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 18, 2009 - 2:31 AM

    Yes Abdul you are right and we all have been saying this from the beginning that Misbah was dropped for bad form and then, Younus Khan decided to stay back on whatever Akhroat reasons he has. Suddenly the PCB selectors got a brainwave that the only replacement for Younus Khan or the equivalent replacement for Younus Khan is Misbah ul Haq? What a stupid notion is that? How can they justify his inclusion in the team at the expense of players like Fawad Alam and Faisal Iqbal?

    Butt and Farhat got numerous chances to prove their worth, when Fawad Alam was dropped he had scored more runs than Butt and Farhat combined together so what was the justification in dropping Fawad Alam? If Butt has succeeded in 6th innings by scoring 66, Faisal Iqbal did better, he scored 67 in his fourth innings.

    I think, both Misbah and Malik must be sent back to Pakastan and they should be playing for Lahore and Sialkot respectively, there is no need and no justification of their inclusion in the team in any format of the game. PERIOD.

    Ps.

    Maza, khansahab has explained above who is Abdul and what are his peculiarities and I am sure “you are agree” not you? 😀

  352. #352 by Shoaib on December 18, 2009 - 3:12 AM

    Javed

    Thanks for correction bhai Jaan, 😀 yes i meant thread, i won’t give any silly excuse to my lesser knowldge of blogs and threads. All i know is I like to read it almost every other day, better if i say every other night, lying in my bed, on my phone. I get two benefits from it, one I can sleep quickly if i start reading it 😀 and second is my habit of reading something before closing my eyes would be gratified.

    anyhow still the same thread, tonight i was expecting i would be reading a new thingy, anyway its ok , my only interest is reading Javed Khan’s comments, no offense to others, all are good but i really enjoy Javed Khan’s comments, some good smiles before i would close my eyes and have some nightmares.

    Its 2:45 am here, snowing here badly, its a bit unsual for us to have snow in December, normally Feb, March.

    Javed Sahab I dunno how you guys stay alive in -16 or something. I tell you this is funny, this morning I was having a chat with my friend from Russia, she infromed me its -26 right there and she said its nice and just before that i was complaining about -1 here that how bitterly cold is outside. After that chat i was embarrassed with my -1 temeprature like a school boy gets embarrassed on his lesser exams marks. -1 out of -26 lol, Well she also said that it is going to be warmer in next few days and she is not really looking forward to it, i asked what would be the temperature then, she replied,
    may be -11 or -10 😀 and i was like WTH.

    Goodluck to Javed living beneath the Jamadar’s created snow mountains. 😀

    night night Legspin, my leg is getting warmer in my ”Razzaii” and i wanna say later guys….plz always ignore my spellings and silly mistakes coz i just come here to read stuff but sometimes i love to say something but when i make my mind to say something normally my ”Razzaii” gets nice and warm that my eyes start closing, small phone screen with half open eyes and garam garam razzaii, normally cant be bothered to re-check my bla bla. why i am giving excuses , ok my english is not good , i normally talk to my Goraa Saab in urdu too, he has already learned some BC, MC stuff and some other which i am too embarrassed to write 😀 here…….goodnight.

  353. #353 by Shoaib on December 18, 2009 - 4:41 AM

    nahi soney diaaa!! us khabees kuttey ney jis ney bhonk bhonk ker merey serr mey soooraakh ker diaa……..udher snow nahi ruk rahi, udher subah k 4 bajey, Gaddhay hamsaye kaa kutta bhonk bhonk ker snow ko enjoy ker raha hey.

    yeh Abdul aur Maza kaa kia relation hey? Jeb bhi Maza kuch bolta hay, abdul kaa ziker zaroor chirr jata hay…… aur yeh Maaza hey yaa Mazaa hey? Maaza sey yaad aya, chotey hotey Maaza Mango Juice kee botlay buhat pee thee, Shezan kay mukabley ka Maaza! 😀

  354. #354 by newguy on December 18, 2009 - 1:55 PM

    IND-SL 2nd ODI is going on, it’s another high scoring game, but more manageable if you can call 300 runs as manageable. From the way SL openers are going about it looks like a walk in the park. Indian opening bowlers have been taken out, demoralized by Dilshan and Taranga again, and in the 1st over Harbhajan came to bowl they attacked him too. The plan is to not allow any bowler to settle down, and it seems to be working. Right now my money is on SL winning this match in under 48 overs. Dilshan is in terrific form and Sangakkara is in even dangerous form. Let’s see if India can get away this time, but I have a feeling 301 is not enough to stop this SL batting.

  355. #355 by M. Y. Kasim on December 18, 2009 - 5:10 PM

    Javed A. Khan,

    I am sorry to say you have your history all wrong.

    It was G. M. Syed who not only supported Pakistan but seconded the resolutio proposed by Moulvi Fazlul Haq of Bengal at the Lahore convention of All India Muslim League Presided by Quaid-e-Azam that became the famous Pakistan Resolution.

    I have always respected your knowledge and views but this time you have completely
    gone upside down in portraying the proposer of Pakistan as the opposer of Pakistan! I am sure you have been influenced by the spear campaign carried out by his opponents during the later part of career when he saw the injustice meted out to the people of Sindh by …….. and he started the Jiye Sindh Movement just like Mohajir Qaumi Movement.

    One must not distort History. One’s personal likes or dislikes should not blind one to ignore History.

    I request you better ask your elders and also consult records before accusing an honest Patriot and his loyalty to be an outright Enemy/disloyal or Ghaddar.

    I have written this little retort because I am hurt and put records straight and not to insult you. You know me better than that.

  356. #356 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 18, 2009 - 7:42 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    Thank you for your retort 😀 After reading my comment once again i.e., after your correction, I have realized that I have not made myself clear. When I was writing, I did mention that only the province of Sindh was in favour of creation of Pakistan but, none of the other provinces were in favour that included NWFP, Punjab and Baluchistan.

    And, yes initially GM Syed was in favour of Pakistan and proposed Pakistan resolution in 1940 but because of him being a leftist – a Communist and his patriotism remained only for Sindh and not for Pakistan, in my mind I have considered him only as a Sindhi Nationalist and he was later sentenced for life on charges of treason and died soon after (perhaps in jail). I stand corrected that his past actions need not distort the history, thank you for that.

    Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan also did so much work for the liberation of India from the British Raj, joined the Indian National Congress and not the Muslim League and was working with Gandhi because of the commonality in their non-violence ideology but, he was against the creation of Pakistan, but he also wanted a separate state for the Pathans as Pakhtunistan and his patriotism with Pakistan is always questioned following his insistence that he should be buried in Afghanistan after his death and not Pakistan.

    And, his son Wali Khan who is widely criticized by the State and its media as a conspirator or a traitor because of the legacy of his father Ghaffar Khan, lived and fought his political battle in Pakistan and I have enjoyed reading the tussle between him and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Wali Khan used to call him Adolph Bhutto and Raja Dahir. 😀 ZA Bhutto no doubt was the biggest dictator of Pakistan and Wali Khan gave him a real tough time.

    Although the Bhutto family is known to be from Naodoro Sindh and Sindh supported the creation of Pakistan but, if one delve deeper into the history of Bhutto family there is something more than meets the eye. Shahnawaz Bhutto, ZA Bhutto’s father was the diwanjee (prime minister) of the state of Junagadh.

    He conspired with the Nawab of Junagadh (who was a muslim) to join Pakistan after partition. But the majority of Junagadh’s Hindu population revolted and Shahnawaz as well as the Nawab ended up fleeing Junagadh on November 8th, 1947. While ZA Bhutto studied in Bombay, UK and later in the USA.

    ZA Bhutto’s mother was Lakhi Ba
    i, a Hindu lower class woman reportedly converted to Islam (and became Khursheed Begum) before marriage, but the rest of Lakhi Bai’s family remained Hindu and lived in India. There are details about how Shahnawaz Bhutto met her and married her etc. etc. lets leave it for now.

  357. #357 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 18, 2009 - 7:53 PM

    Shoaib

    Maza is the new version of Abdul.
    khansahab will enlighten you more about him. On the weather front we are in deep freeze now, its ranging between 14-C to -23C and this is middle of December, the worst time is between January and 15th Feb. 25th when temperatures are between -30C to -40C and with windchill it feels that it will cut you in half, but those are just one or two days and then its not so windy. Anyways, we survive. 😀

    newguy

    I saw the SL innings live and the Indian innings is recorded, but after seeing the result I have no intention of seeing it because there is no spectacular batting performance like Sehwag (who was out early) and Dhoni’s innings is nothing spectacular.

    Dilshan is in great form and the way he started the innings, gave SL a flying start and it appeared that SL will not lose the match. Even the first one they lost, they could have won had Mathews held his nerves and not played that shot. Anyways, it was a good match and its good to see that it is 1-1 now instead of 2-0 otherwise we would have been witnessing a series decider. Now, the interest will be alive till the end of the series, I hope so.

  358. #358 by Shoaib on December 19, 2009 - 1:03 AM

    Abdul-Namaa

    Javed,

    Maza kaisey Abdul ho sakta hay, ooper kahi Maza khud keh raha tha k yeh Abdul kon hay 😀

    Lagta hey past mey Abdul kaafi shuhret-yafta personality raha hay k ab seb ko Maza mey bhi Abdul nazer ata hey……yaa yoo keh ley k seb ko reh reh ker Abdul kee shakel Maza jaisee legti hey…….Mager phir yeh Cho2So4 kia cheez hey……..mey ney berri koshish kee is word ko samjhney kee, mager sahih bolna nahi aya….Sunney mey gaali jaisee koi cheez hey, lakin bolna nahi ayaa. Cholo choro yaar pronunciation ko 😀

    Khansahab ney to enlighten nahi kia, woh zara naraz ho gaye hey jeb sey mey ney un kay hum-shekel Marlon Brando jaisee picture per aik fikraa kessa thaa. jo kay shaid zara thori ziadeti thee meri.

    Hazraat Dua kee Durkhwaast hey aap logo sey, exams aur phir result…..seb theek ho jaye Allah karey. seb logo sey maafi kaa teleb-gaar hoo, aaj kel mey seb sey maafia maang raha huu, taakey kisi kee burii nazer yaa buri duaa kahi leg naa jaye merey result ko, baaaki result key baad ”nibberr” loo gaa seb sey phir 😀

  359. #359 by Shoaib on December 19, 2009 - 1:40 AM

    Urdu mey translation 😀

    its been more than a month ‘the living legend’ ” THE Zinda Peer” ”Peer Sahab Zakorrii Shareef” is on.

    Lagta hay Khansahab key haath koi murder case leg gia hay, jeb tek khan sahab dead man the laltain kaa kuch figure out nahi kertey teb tek hum seb Zinda Peer per guzara kertey rahey gey.

    Log ‘Jamaiyaan’ lena shroo ho gaye hey ”Ramesh” kee tareef ker ker kay. Pakistan Cricket mey buhat kuch ho raha hey aaj kel, Newzealand mey Pakistan cricket team key barey mey Terrorist kay Naaarey, Younas Khan kaa serdi may akhrot ben jana, Shahid Afridi kee muskerahtey, Azeem Serddaii kuoo bechtaa hay, Route 51 kee aik bus kee kahaani etc etc.

  360. #360 by Shoaib on December 19, 2009 - 1:46 AM

    ……Javed Sahab this is my 3rd thread 😉 javed bhai -23? 😀 ……meraa freezer kheraab ho gia hey, gosht kheraab naa ho jaye aap kee teref bhejwaa doo. aap ko to freezer kee zarooret hee nahi hay, balkey mera freezer -23 nahi kertaa lol

  361. #361 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 19, 2009 - 8:57 AM

    Dhoni is banned from two ODI’s for slow over rate, Sehwag will lead. This was expected because everyone noticed that the Indian captain was having too many consultations with Tendulkar, Sehwag and the senior bowlers. I was watching the match live on TV and could see that the discussions and field placements were never ending and for those who were reading the on-line commentary on cricinfo, for them it must really be very painful and frustrating when the scoreboard wasn’t ticking.

    Younus Khan
    is reportedly back on the track and is playing domestic cricket. The news is, he might be playing the ODI’s in Australia? Does that mean Misbah will be sent back?

    In the first match against Tasmania, Salman (o) Butt scored 153 runs to cement his Butt for all the matches that will be played in Australia. Pakistan scored 270 odd runs during the whole day. Umar Akmal is not out on 10 and Fawad Alam not out on zero. Since it is only a 3 day match, the chances are Moulana will declare the innings by lunch time, that means he has to play under pressure.

    Shoaib

    Most of our bloggers including khansahab (you exclude me from that) their Urdu is very ghareeb (poor) so if you want to be read or responded, you have to cut your Roman Urdu to the minimum.

  362. #362 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 19, 2009 - 9:39 AM

    Ijaz (_[_) Butt has responded to the Senate with a letter that appeared in the Daily Dawn. He is a typical hypocrite and a SOB bureaucrat. He wrote that letter to Asif Zardari to clarify his position citing reasons for his absence from the National Assembly Standing Committee on Sports’ meeting.

    In his letter he wrote: “PCB and I place the NA committee in the highest esteem and once again reiterate that we will provide our fullest cooperation to the committee in carrying out its tasks.” A BIG LOL here 😀 Jhoota.

    He said: “I believe the committee felt offended because of my absence from the meeting. My absence was mainly due to personal commitments.” WHAT PERSONAL REASONS? ‘In my absence Wasim Bari attends the meeting, however, [on Dec 17] he had to proceed to Abbottabad for the opening ceremony of Benazir Bhutto tournament. WAS IT THAT IMPORTANT AND ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? WHAT A LOAD OF BS.

    ‘A senior general manager of the PCB, M. Subhan Ahmed was present in the meeting to give the cricket board’s version over the IPL issue but he was not given opportunity and was rather asked to leave the meeting.’ OBVIOUSLY THEY DID THE RIGHT THING BY ASKING HIM TO LEAVE.

    If someone delegates their lowest official to attend one of the highest committee meetings in the country, it means they have no regard or respect for the committee. So, why bother with this Zardari A$$ licking business and that too with an open letter through the media? The Senate Committee is right in asking his dismissal along with Bari and Inti Alam.

  363. #363 by khansahab on December 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM

    Shoaib

    LOL at that comment about “YounAs Khan”

    🙂

  364. #364 by Maza786 on December 19, 2009 - 11:11 AM

    Javed Khan, I have no links what so ever with “Abdul”. Who is he ? I have seen his comments in the LS archive and he comes across as some paindoo to me. It’s an insult when you refer to me by his name.

  365. #365 by khansahab on December 19, 2009 - 11:14 AM

    Maza

    Abdul, Aamir Akbal, Maza- saalay sab paindoo hain 🙂

    I’m only joking, but you do realise you have the same IP address as “Abdul”?

  366. #366 by Shoaib on December 19, 2009 - 1:41 PM

    Khansahab

    lol @ Maza’s new discription, i couldnt stop laughing for least 20 seconds.

    Javed

    My urdu is not that bad, in fact its better than Roman language 😀 anyway yeah thanks for letting me know about other bloggers inc Khansahab’s weak command over Urdu, but ”Khansahab the good man” still got my humour from it, thats a good sign….but yeah i will try to blab less in urdu from now on…… but yaar urdu kaa aik apna hee ‘maza’ hey……hum hey jo saaley paindoo sarey lol

  367. #367 by newguy on December 19, 2009 - 2:39 PM

    Dhoni’s ban is a big blow to team India in the crucial two ODIs to follow. This could even cost them the series. I was following ball-by-ball on CricInfo during SL innings and was very frustrated at the slow rate at which it is getting refreshed, sometimes it is hard to know what was going on, then I saw the recorded match and they would consult in the middle of overs and it was very frustrating. They should be having these plans already and with the kind of experience playing so many ODIs they should not have to consult so much. Anyhow, they still lost the match and they lost the best ODI middle order batsman and a good captain for next two matches.

    Sehwag I don’t know much about his captaincy, if based on the few matches he captained is any indication he is not so good at this. They have to now play out of their skins to win at least one of the next two matches, hopefully Youvraj will be fit to come back and boost the middle order. Dinesh Kartik is no match for Dhoni.

    SL is competing really well in the ODIs and as always they are a very good ODI team. It will be interesting to see how team India cop without Dhoni.

  368. #368 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 19, 2009 - 5:30 PM

    newguy

    Sehwag is not good as Dhoni (as a captain) and I agree that DK is no match either. But then Dhoni should have realized and this is not the first time it happened with him. As far as batting is concerned Sehwag will not change his style because of Dhoni’s absence. And, Yuvraj’s inclusion will definitely boost the middle order as you can see in both the high scoring ODI’s he was not there yet India posted huge totals. But, having said that, he is not Dhoni’s replacement because, Dhoni was in good form and it is indeed a blow to India.

    Ponting is also not playing in the first test due to his injury, that is some blessing in disguise for Pakistan, but they are not capable of en-cashing the opportunity.

  369. #369 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 19, 2009 - 5:36 PM

    Maza

    You say you have no links with Abdul? But he has attached a URL behind you and, you still ask who is he? No insult here, if you think he is a Paindoo then you are a Ch2So4 and a Bh2Br4.

  370. #370 by Shoaib on December 19, 2009 - 7:26 PM

    Javed & Khansahab

    Please I request both of you, i am so curious and dying to read some Abdul’s old comments from your old threads. If you can provide me the name of such thread or threads where i can find his comments, i would really appreciate that 😀 please…

  371. #371 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 19, 2009 - 7:42 PM

    shoaib

    it is difficult to pinpoint a thread in which Abdul has enlightened us ALL. But, you can search in the archives and see if you can find some.

    Now, there is a new thread on SEHWAG please go ahead and write there. We will close this Tendulkar Chapter for now.

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