IPL ignored and humiliated Pakistani players in the most malicious manner possible. The Indian authorities gave the following reasons, however most people believe them to be petty excuses:

1) Potential difficulty in issuing visas would mean that Pakistani players should have been sidelined

2) Many of the world’s top cricketers were also left out

3) There were threats from some politicians, Shiv Sena and like minded extremists

Indian Home Minister Chidambaram has confirmed that the Indian government had no say in what happened

Shahid Afridi, Sohail Tanvir, Umer Akmal, Umar Gul etc are amongst the best T20 players in the world, so what was the justification of sidelining them in this manner? Indian government spokesperson Chidambaram clearly defended the government saying that the issuing of visas was not a problem from the Indian side.

The immense confusion and blame game makes it seem like every stakeholder, be it the government, the movie stars or the administrators, has a guilty conscience and no one is brave enough to come out in the open and declare that this was a jingoistic and politically motivated decision.

Shahrukh Khan, hailing from the Pakistani province of NWFP,

Shahrukh Khan's comments were brave considering his religion, ethnic background and place of residence, Mumbai, which is also the centre of the extremist Shiv Sena

gave the boldest statement from an Indian’s perspective saying that politics should not be involved in sport. His comments have been perceived very negatively by Hindu extremists in India, most notably the Shiv Sena who have threatened to not release his upcoming movie, “My Name is Khan”, in Mumbai. They

Extremist Shiv Sena have also threatened Australian players

have also said that if he wants the Pakistanis to play cricket, he should go to Lahore or Islamabad.

Apparently there have been negotiations between Shahrukh Khan and IPL organisers where Khan has convinced some of the organisers to invite Pakistani players. Afridi and Razzaq expressed their interest in playing IPL after this fiasco, however it was disappointing to see a player like Afridi who frequently refers to pride playing for Pakistan, succumb to the temptation of money like this.

Afridi disappointed many fans by saying he would forgive the IPL and participate in the contest

Ijaz Butt was seemed confused and directionless to begin with, but now the PCB has made the right decision by banning IPL participation by Pakistanis for 2010. This comes as a blessing in disguise because if these players had participated in IPL, a lot of Indians as well as Pakistanis themselves would have considered these players are some kind of prostitutes who have no self esteem, and can do anything for money.

It is time for these cricketers to realise that their country comes first.

Wasim, your country needs you

The travesty is that Pakistanis are so cricket crazy that all of these famous cricketers can still lead glamorous and luxurious lives in Pakistan, but they surrender themselves to greed which is why they lose self esteem. Someone like Wasim Akram can make such a huge difference if he becomes involved in academies in Pakistan, but Wasim is more interested making money in India.

This thread is not about jingoism, or an eye for an eye. It is about sending a clear message to Pakistani cricketers that they need to develop some pride. Also, this thread is a lesson for those who believe politics should be involved with sport. Pakistanis need to send a clear message across the border that they have had enough with this constant mixing of politics and sport. Cricket must never be threatened by the whims of some cowardly, hate-filled extremists.

This thread is also not an attack on India. Like most Pakistanis, most Indians are also peace loving people who want to build strong relations with others. Whoever was behind this devious scheme to humiliate Pakistan has received a slap on their face, since most Indians even have criticised this decision.

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  1. #1 by newguy on January 30, 2010 - 12:16 AM


    I am congratulate Shah Rukh for coming out as a proud Indian and define what his country should do rightfully and criticizing IPL organizers in how the issue was handled. Of course he knows there will be an angry response from the mob. This is fine, how India and Mumbaites respond to the empty threat to ban his movie will define the strength of fairness and democracy in India. I have no doubt Shiv Sena will come out poor in this incident.

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 30, 2010 - 12:19 AM

    An Amish boy and his father were in a Mall.

    They were amazed by almost everything they saw, but especially by two shiny, silver walls that couldmove apart and then slide back together again. The boy asked, “What is this Father?” The father (never having seen an elevator) responded, “Son, I have never seen anything like this in my life,I don’t know what it is.”

    While the boy and his father were watching with amazement, a fat, old ladyin a wheelchair moved up to the moving walls and pressed a button. The walls opened and the lady rolled between them into a small room. The walls closed and the boy and his father watched the small circular numbers above the walls light up sequentially. They continued to watch until it reached the last number and then the numbers began to light in the reverse order. Finally the walls opened up again and a gorgeous 24-year-old blonde stepped out.

    The father said quietly to his son…. “Go get your mother.”

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 30, 2010 - 12:26 AM

    Aus Under-19 middle order and late middle order salvaged some pride by batting with determination and brought the score to some respectability now it is 189/7 in 46.1 overs. Raza Hasan’s bowling figures are very impressive so far he has bowled 8 overs, 3 maidens, 1 wicket for only 13 runs.

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 30, 2010 - 12:31 AM

    Good thread khansahab,

    you have hit the raw nerve of so many people and its may not be the last nail on the coffin of Shiv Sena because, the PCB has already announced that NO Pakistani to play for the IPL. I am pleased with this news. Our cricketers must know that money is important BUT it is not everything.

    People like Wasim Akram have no self respect, no self esteem and no patriotism, they are loyal to those who throw money towards them. I will contribute my views more on the thread later.

  5. #5 by 420 on January 30, 2010 - 1:52 AM

    i really doubt if the ipl thing has to do with shivsena,
    shivsena is a dying force.i would assume something went wrong btn modi and pcb/bcci and he wanted to show off.

    and about shahrukh khan, most of us don’t hate/like him for what he spoke. just another opportunist making use of the situation.

    my first reaction was like any other fanatic indian :P, but few mins later i felt bad for the players

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 30, 2010 - 3:58 AM


    What makes you think that Shivsena is a dying force? They are still active, threatening not just cricketers but, all Pakistanis and they control the Bollywood actors not only when they are in India but, when they are abroad say for e.g., when in Dubai, they call them and direct them to obey their orders or else…….. the actors they know that they have to live in Mumbai which is his stronghold they have to listen to him. It is like creating enmity with the crocodile while you are in the waters could be extremely dangerous. What is that expression in Hindi, “Paani may reh ker magar-much say bair nahee lay saktay?”

    Pakistan U-19 were batting well until the 29th over with 109 for 3 and there was a rush of blood for Ramiz who hit a six and then got out. After that Hammad Azam the star batsman of the team who remained not out in the entire tournament was man of the match for the semi-final with an unbeaten 92 got out on a duck. When it really mattered and at the very important juncture where he was badly needed to stabilize the innings he got out on a duck.

    They are 130 for 6 in 35.2 overs only 78 runs needed to win, the captain is still there but the wicketkeeper has just departed, things look very difficult for Pakistan unless they pull out a magic card like, someone from the bowlers come and hit a few sixes and fours and ease the pressure, otherwise it seems like Australia will cruise easily as the wickets are falling at regular intervals.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 30, 2010 - 4:44 AM

    Pakistan U-19 lost the match by 25 runs. They could have easily won the match, but like their seniors their batting collapsed and once again it is against Australia. Anyways, it was a good effort to reach the finals. Pakistan won the cup twice and twice they were runners up.

  8. #8 by 420 on January 30, 2010 - 5:02 AM

    our bollywood “dancing to the tunes” of shivsena is a news to me. not that i am biased towards them, but i really doubt if they have such a muscle. so who do you think has more clout in bollywood, the D/CR gang or shivsena?

    and the reason i say SRK is an opportunist, if he really was concerned and disturbed by the exclusion of pak crickters , he would have staged a walkout/abstained from the auction. if he has the guts to speak now, he should have had the same to select the player he wanted.

    same shivsena gave “fatwa” against AUS cricketers, how come the franchisess/sharukh are not perturbed by the same? the home minister and lalit modi are at logger heads too. my guess is either the govt played spoilsport and now shedding croc tears or it was the handiwork of modi.

    to be honest, many Indians would be happy if shivsena had that clout. and outside maharashtra they score a big 0. so to point finger at them is indirectly elevating them and pure escapism 😛

  9. #9 by 420 on January 30, 2010 - 5:05 AM

    to be honest, we are worried the T20 WC may turn out to be like the prev one 😛 hopefully we will regroup

  10. #10 by chintuthephoenix on January 30, 2010 - 6:29 AM

    Hahahahahahehehehehe :o)
    Awesome job of insulting the Pakis by IPL, I absolutely loved it!
    Well, Mr.Afridi_whose_terrorist_cousin_was_killed_by_Indian_forces_in_Kashmir, no need to show false sympathy by saying Indian fans will miss seeing Pakis like you in action. No, we won’t!! :o)
    In case you still have missed the larger point being made, BEGGARS from TERRORISTAN are NOT WELCOME in INDIA!! :o)

  11. #11 by amir on January 30, 2010 - 6:53 AM

    Good thread khansahib thanks a lot . I think mr. Butthead had taken first right decision as chairman of pcb by not allowing pak players to participate in ipl now we have to see if he can stick with this decision because he is famous for his back tacking on statments. Another batting collapse and we lost the u/19 worldcup final. It shows that problem is deep rooted our bowling is ok even at junior levels but batting needs a lot of attention at grass root level but anyway welldone to our boys for reaching the final and for giving thier best

  12. #12 by khansahab on January 30, 2010 - 8:46 AM

    Shiv Sena trains guns on Saif Ali Khan

    After training its guns on Bollywood badshah Shah Rukh Khan for his remarks on Pakistani cricketers, the Shiv Sena has now turned its attention to another Khan.

    This time it is Saif Ali Khan who is in the Sena’s line of fire.

    Shiv Sena is seeing red after the government announced the Padma Shri for Saif.

    Sena executive president Uddhav Thackeray took potshots at the actor calling him a vagabond who did not deserve the award.

  13. #13 by khansahab on January 30, 2010 - 8:49 AM

    SRK has insulted 26/11 martyrs: Shiv Sena

    The Shiv Sena is not done with Shah Rukh Khan yet for his comments that Pakistani players ought to have been in IPL 3.

    After Shiv Sena leader Sanjay Raut advised SRK to migrate to Lahore or Islamabad, Sena boss Thackeray went ballistic at the Bollywood badshah.

    In an editorial in the party mouthpiece Saamna, Thackeray said Shahrukh has insulted 26/11 martyrs by talking about Pakistani players in IPL.

    Hitting below the belt, he went on to advise Shahrukh to make Ajmal Kasab the captain of his team.

    And for vice captain, Shahrukh could get Afzal Guru — who is under a death sentence for the attack on Parliament.

    Thackeray then taunted SRK asking if he was saying the right thing.

    As if on cue to Thackeray’s rabble rousing, Shiv Sena workers went on a rampage in the morning.

    They tore up posters of SRK and burnt them outside a theatre in Kandivali in Mumbai.

    Shiv Sena goons also threatened the manager of theatre not to show the movie My Name Is Khan in cinema hall.

    On Friday, Shiv Sena supporters went on a similar rampage tearing up SRK’s posters in a movie hall in Thane.

  14. #14 by khansahab on January 30, 2010 - 8:50 AM

    Shahrukh Khan has a Hindu wife, kids who have no religion, he has made patriotic movies about India etc, but the Shiv Sena are still unhappy with him?

  15. #15 by khansahab on January 30, 2010 - 9:12 AM

    Umer Akmal and Fawad Alam should definitely be playing all kinds of international cricket for Pakistan.

    These 2 have been involved in crucial partnerships and they seem to enjoy batting with each other. Umer can provide the aggression from one end and Fawad can provide some stability.

    There is no doubt that at least in limited overs cricket, Umer Akmal is a better batsman, and in terms of form he is the best batsman in the team at the moment.

    Both of them were unlucky in the 4th ODI, Fawad misjudged a run and although he ran hard the throw was exceptional from the fielder, whereas Umer Akmal played the ball too softly and got bowled.

    Ryan Harris is like Rao Ifthikar of Pakistan and the only difference is that he has better fielders supporting him and that Pakistanis gift their wickets to him, whereas Rao has to work hard to get wickets.

    In Tests it is relatively easier to formulate a line up because Younis, Yousuf, Umer Akmal, Afridi etc ought to be automatic selections. But even in ODI’s Pakistan can go with the following:

    Khalid Latif/batsman
    Umer Akmal
    Kamran Akmal

    One thing is certain, Malik and Misbah must not be playing under any circumstance.

  16. #16 by amir on January 30, 2010 - 11:38 AM

    KHANSAHIB i do agree with u misbah and malik shouldnt allowed to even come near pakistan team. But they must open with umer akmal to give him chance to play ful 50 overs and build his innings pressure free. now problem with him is that when he comes to bat pakistan is always 50/4 or 70/5 and he is immidiatly under pressure which forces him to play false strokes. Fawad should come 2 down so he could have his calming effect but he needs to sort out his shuffle in crease or he have to play very straight otherwise he is big candidate for lbw.

  17. #17 by khansahab on January 30, 2010 - 4:46 PM

    Shah Rukh deserves Nishaan-E-Pakistan: Bal Thackeray

    Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray on Saturday said Bollywood superstar Shah Rukh Khan deserves Pakistan’s highest civilian award, the Nishaan-E-Pakistan, for supporting the inclusion of Pakistani cricketers in the IPL.
    In a scathing editorial in Saturday’s party mouthpiece Saamna, Thackeray said that the “Khan” inside Shah Rukh Khan must be crushed by the “Har Har Mahadev” war cry of the “Shivaji” inside the Hindus.
    This was an oblique reference to Chhatrapati Shivaji’s killing of Bijapur general Afzal Khan, sent by Sultan Adil Shah II of Bijapur in 1659, at Pratapgad in Satara district of western Maharashtra.
    The Shiv Sena hit out at Shah Rukh Khan, also the Kolkata Knight Riders co-owner, after he said he would have picked a Pakistani player for the Indian Premier League matches if his team had a slot.
    IPL franchise owners did not bid for Pakistani players during the auction for the IPL III, which has snowballed into a major spat between the two countries.
    The editorial said that if “Shah Rukh wants to give a red carpet treatment to Pakistani cricketers on the blood of innocent Indians slain by Pakistani terrorists from Kashmir to Mumbai”, then, Thackeray warned, the Shiv Sena will never permit it.
    It pointed out that by supporting the cause of Pakistani players, Shah Rukh has insulted the memory of the victims of the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks – for which Pakistan may confer the Nishaan-E-Pakistan – but Indians will spit on him.
    The editorial further noted that nobody from the Congress has raised a voice against Shah Rukh since he is considered close to Sonia Gandhi.
    Thackeray wrote in his article that “since SRK has so much love for the Pakistanis the Bollywood actor could appoint 26/11 terror accused Mohammed Ajmal Amir Kasab as the captain of his Kolkata Knight Riders team and Mohammed Afzal Guru (facing death penalty for the 2001 attack on parliament) as the vice captain in the forthcoming IPL matches”.
    In this context, Thackeray praised Amitabh Bachchan for rejecting a doctorate awarded by Queensland’s Brisbane University, to protest the attacks on Indians in Australia.
    “This is true love for our country,” he said.
    In a related development, Congress state spokesman Hussain Dalwai wrote to state Home Minister RR Patil demanding security for Shah Rukh’s forthcoming release “My Name Is Khan”.
    Dalwai also urged Patil to ensure that those police officers who cannot prevent violence or disruption of the movie within their respective jurisdiction must be suspended.
    Former chief minister and union Minister for Heavy Industries Vilasrao Deshmukh on Saturday criticised the Sena for its stand on Shah Rukh.

  18. #18 by khansahab on January 30, 2010 - 4:48 PM


    I think the Sena are also upset with “My Name is Khan” because it is about the hatred Muslims have suffered following 9/11, so it is kind of like a pro Muslim movie.

  19. #19 by newguy on January 30, 2010 - 5:08 PM

    Shive Sena is disparate for a comeback in the state of Maharashtra, the only game they possibly could pull is to ride on a wave of hindutva and anti-Pakistan sentiment among some of the Indians. This is very similar to the strategy BJP adopted two decades back in gathering power to become a major force from a small fringe party. But it will not succeed again for Shiv Sena, they know they cannot play to be moderates and win elections, who wants Shiv Sena as a moderate? they have nothing to offer, other than just intolerance and hatred towards other beliefs. This is exactly similar to Taliban. I see them as opposite sides of two coins. If they go too far down this road though, they will end up being totally banned. So, their best interest is to lie low and issue empty threats, but don’t act on it. This is what they have been doing for so long, but it appears they are now becoming more violent, which is an act of desperation.

  20. #20 by khansahab on January 30, 2010 - 8:26 PM

    Sarfraz Nawaz has made some crazy statements in the past, but lately I agree with his views. He is fed up of the team’s performance and he was asked what needs to be changed. These are his views:

    “Ijaz Butt should develop some self respect and resign immediately”

    “The older players need to be sacked”

    “Nepotism in selection needs to end”

    “Iqbal Qasim has commented that there will be a post mortem of the Pakistan team following these defeats, but first Qasim needs to do his own post mortem for selecting this team”

    “Imran Farhat has been selected because of nepotism”

    “If Ijaz Butt had some shame he would have resigned immediately following the anti-Butt rally that was carried out in Karachi demanding Ijaz Butt to resign”

  21. #21 by khansahab on January 30, 2010 - 8:46 PM

    I was watching a TV programme where Ijaz Butt was being interviewed. The interviewer asked,

    “There are reports that the team is divided into 2 camps- Shoaib Malik is leading the Sialkot camp and there is the Karachi camp. Is this true”?

    Butt said,

    “We will have to investigate this. I AM NOT DENYING THAT THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED. But, once the team comes back we will examine the manager’s report and take appropriate action”.

    I was expecting Butt to say that this is all BS, a figment of the media’s imagination etc. But, I am surprised he said he needs to look into this and his tone made it seem like that these groupings were a possibility. Strangely enough there were reports a few days ago that Malik is fostering disunity in the team.

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 31, 2010 - 4:06 AM


    If you think Shivsena’s situation in India is exactly similar to Taliban – this is exactly what you wrote above – then why not condemn them in the same manner as the whole world is condemning the Taliban? What I don’t understand is, all you guys (420 included) say that Shivsena is a dying force, Shivsena is desperate to come back like BJP did, but they will not be effective and they give empty threats etc.

    Actually, they are not giving empty threats, they are definitely acting on what they say. They dug out the pitches several times, they spilled oil, diesel on the pitch and prevented matches being played. They are behind so many attacks and right now I don’t want to go in to that detail because we have already discussed that many times to no avail, as neither party agrees with the other. So, lets leave it and focus on the match ahead today which may not be of any interest to you and many others because they have already lost the series 4-0 and it could be 5-0 as well, unless the batting order is changed and while bowling they place attacking field instead of defensive field.

  23. #23 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 10:08 AM

    Akmals face disciplinary action over conduct prior to Hobart Test

    By Peter Badel

    January 31, 2010

    Pakistan’s strife-torn visit to Australia will end in turmoil with the controversial Akmal brothers, Kamran and Umar, to be hauled over the coals by the Pakistan Cricket Board.

    The disciplinary action against the pair came as former Pakistan skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq called for re-born allrounder Shahid Afridi to replace Mohammad Yousuf as one-day captain.

    In a further blow to team harmony before today’s final one-day clash against Australia in Perth, the Akmal brothers will be carpeted by the PCB upon their return home next week for bringing Pakistan cricket into disrepute.

    Kamran is in hot water for defying team management and insisting he would not drop himself for the third Test in Hobart, despite Sarfraz Ahmed being flown out by the PCB to replace him.

    And Umar will pay the price for allegedly trying to fake injury to avoid playing in the third Test in protest at his older brother’s treatment by the PCB.

    “We have started a preliminary inquiry and already plan to take action against the two (Kamran and Umar Akmal) for their irresponsible statements when they return from Australia,” PCB chairman Ijaz Butt said.

    The development is another kick in the guts for the tourists, who are already reeling from the PCB’s decision to sack Mohammad Yousuf as captain after today’s game.

  24. #24 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 10:10 AM

    Kamran Akmal must be banned for 10 ODI’s and 3 Tests due to his conduct, whereas his brother must be fined heavily if found guilty of faking injury.

    But knowing PCB and the clout of the powerful Akmal brothers, they are likely to get away with this.

  25. #25 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 11:08 AM

    Under Afridi Pakistan look like a reborn side. So far Afridi has done little wrong. The players seem a lot more committed.

    I think this is the 1st ODI where we have seen some fighting spirit from the players.

  26. #26 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 11:12 AM


    Afridi, you are a great player and you have shown it today.

    Younis took a blinder, he should not be dropped.

    Game on for Pakistan.

  27. #27 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 12:12 PM

    Mr Cricket won it for Australia in the end. Rana and Rao bowled some bad deliveries in the end which made it easier for Hussey & Co.

    However, good fighting spirit by Pakistan; at least they made the task harder for Australia today. Credit goes to the captain.

    I don’t know what Afridi was doing with the ball when he put it in his mouth- it will result in some kind of sanction but hopefully not a ban.

  28. #28 by newguy on January 31, 2010 - 2:47 PM

    Javed Khan,

    You asked: “If you think Shivsena’s situation in India is exactly similar to Taliban – this is exactly what you wrote above – then why not condemn them in the same manner as the whole world is condemning the Taliban?”

    They have not stoned anyone to death as punishment for immoral behavior while an entire football stadium full of people watched without being able to raise a finger against it.

    For the record I did not say the situation is similar, I said ideology is similar, all extremist organizations stem from intolerance and hatred towards others.

    You are right that we are better off discussing Cricket. Pakistan-Aus series didn’t have enough to discuss, except for this last match. I am still trying to find out what happened with Afridi in this ball-biting incident, it seems though he was able to charge up the team, it’s a shame he couldn’t keep his brains from imploding.

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 31, 2010 - 3:27 PM

    WTF Afridi was doing?

    He is banned for 2 T20 matches now.

  30. #30 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 4:18 PM

    Afridi is not playing the T20 now, so the following should be the line up:

    K Akmal (captain)
    U Akmal

    I would exclude Butt and play Latif, because Butt starts too slowly and Latif is unlikely to waste many balls. I think Aamer is a better T20 player than Asif- of course if Aamer is still injured Asif should play.

  31. #31 by Arshad Khan on January 31, 2010 - 7:00 PM

    Mohammad Yousuf who lost the series of test and ODI still has no shame and saying that Pakistani team is better under him and he wants to lead this side. i was surprise to see Afridi as a captain and not Yousuf. Honestly he had no injury or stiff knee but the reason he didn’t to play because kamran akmal was dropped for the game. And the reason Afridi was tampering with the ball because he purposely didn’t want to lead the team in the 2020 because he knew the players are not performing and there was no way they can win the 2020 so to save himself from humiliation he tampered with the ball and got banned for 2 2020.

    For 2020 team it should be the following.

    Shazad Ahmed Keeper
    U Akmal
    Fawad Captain excellent fielder so we need someone like him.
    Ajmal (VC)

  32. #32 by Arshad Khan on January 31, 2010 - 7:01 PM

    Arshad Khan :
    Mohammad Yousuf who lost the series of test and ODI still has no shame and saying that Pakistani team is better under him and he wants to lead this side. i was surprise to see Afridi as a captain and not Yousuf. Honestly he had no injury or stiff knee but the reason he didn’t to play because kamran akmal was dropped for the game. And the reason Afridi was tampering with the ball because he purposely didn’t want to lead the team in the 2020 because he knew the players are not performing and there was no way they can win the 2020 so to save himself from humiliation he tampered with the ball and got banned for 2 2020.
    For 2020 team it should be the following.
    Shazad Ahmed Keeper
    U Akmal
    Fawad Captain excellent fielder so we need someone like him.
    Ajmal (VC)

    the reason i have this team so all the main senior player can be out of the team.

  33. #33 by amir on January 31, 2010 - 8:15 PM

    can any1 tell me what afridi was try to achieve by biting the ball. If some piece of leather was coming out why he never took it to umpire? U cnt expect that from player of his experience cause he know the history of ball tempering and pakistan. And if he was trying to rough up one side with his teeth why he didnt use his brain that he cnt do it in front of all the camaras. Personely i dnt want to win matches through cheating and if he was trying to temper the ball its it is a very shameful chapter in pakistan cricket history remember when england last toured pakistan i think in faisalabad he tried to destroy the pitch with his shoe spikes c’mon afridi pakistan cricket is already in very bad state dnt make it worse.

  34. #34 by amir on January 31, 2010 - 8:31 PM

    for T20 they should select the following team NAZIR. KAMRAN,BUTT,UMER, LATIF, FAWAD, MALIK, AAMIR, GUL, ASIF, AJMAL If aamir is unfit then rana should take his place or he can take either butt or latif’s place. only including malik if he is going to ball cause in absent of afridi we need allrounder

  35. #35 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 9:08 PM

    I spoke about the captivity of negativity that surrounds the Pakistan team, and today even though we saw the following positives:

    1) Afridi was captain
    2) Pakistan fought until the last over
    3) Fawad Alam played a good knock and may have secured his place for the next few international matches
    4) Malik contributed with both bat and ball

    …. there was a big negative, in Afridi tampering with the ball. This ball tampering news has taken over the world and this is what this match and in fact this whole series will be remembered for especially because Afridi is about to be the declared the ODI captain of the team.


    I don’t know if you saw Malik bat, but he could not play Johnson at all. I know that under pressure Johnson wilts, but when the opposition is under pressure he scares the life out of them. There were so many close edges, a catch that almost carried to the 2nd slip fielder etc and Malik appeared totally clueless against the pace.

    Malik is very lucky- the way he struggles against pace makes it seem like a wonder that he can score past 20. His 36 that came from 62 deliveries has cemented his place in the side for the next few international matches. But the travesty is that, when Malik scores 35+ we see that as a positive and it is some kind of justification for making him play in the future. That is because he is so mediocre that he scores 35 odd when he is “returning to form” or “in form”.

    Fawad Alam and Umer Akmal played Johnson much better than Malik. Fawad was lucky too as he got a few edges, but overall he seems like a better batsman to me than Malik and even Misbah. I don’t think we can expect Malik or Misbah to score more than 25 against Australia at a strike rate of 90?!

  36. #36 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 9:19 PM

    I am glad that Iqbal Qasim has resigned

    Now Inti Alam and Ijaz Butt should follow. Inti Alam should have resigned before Qasim.
    What exactly is Inti’s role in the team, and what has he done to improve fitness, mental strength, batting, bowling,fielding etc?

    It’s some kind of joke that this coach never accepts blame. He is totally shameless. Butt has been reluctant to fire him because Butt is just as incompetent and culpable as Inti himself.

    This is probably the worst period in Pakistan’s Test and ODI history and Butt and Inti have played a huge hand in this descent.

    This is the problem:

    Inti’s boss is Butt who is incompetent, culpable himself

    But, Butt reports to the President, who is also incompetent and very culpable

    So it’s a vicious circle filled with incompetent elements. One is just as bad as the other.

    The fans need to take to the streets, they need to storm inside the PCB’s offices, grab Butt by the collar and throw him out. I mean this literally. I beg the people of Lahore to please be more proactive in this- protest outside the building, burn effigies, do something to remove Butt from the post.

  37. #37 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 9:24 PM


    I thought Yousuf would still be retained as Test captain?

    I obviously want Afridi to be captain in all formats, but I don’t think they will give him Test captaincy just yet. Do you?

  38. #38 by khansahab on January 31, 2010 - 9:37 PM


    I totally agree. But, the reason why Afridi is not Test captain is not because he chose not to play Tests which means he has not played Tests recently. The reason is that he was constantly dropped in Tests and his performances with the ball were not noticed- this is what led him to decide that he will not play Tests.

    Even now many people will not be convinced he should play Tests. Yousuf is a pathetic captain and unlike Inzamam, he is not even senior enough to command respect from guys like Younis, Afridi, Razzaq and Akhtar,

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 31, 2010 - 11:45 PM

    How daft can one be to bite off a piece of leather from the ball? The umpires were there and he should have taken it straight away to them instead of putting his mouth on it. He is a real Akhroat, a nut case and the reason he has been penalized is because of his history. His first ban was for scuffing the pitch with his heels in Pakistan, the second one was in SA when he waved his bat at a spectator on his way back to the dressing room and now this time it was easy for the match referee to charge him guilty and the funny thing is like the first time he accepted it.

    I am not denying what Afridi did is right or it is justified to do what he did, it is not only wrong but it is a very stupid thing. However, just a month ago, in SA both England players Stuart Broad and Jimmy <Anderson were also caught on the camera tampering the ball, but because they do not have a history like Afridi, they came out clear. Broad used his spikes to rough out the ball and Jimmy Anderson lifted the seam with his hand and that too was very obvious and at that time Nasser Hussain said, had this been any Pakistani player they would have banned him. But, both Broad and Anderson got away without any fine or ban, they were not even admonished by the match referee.

    Right when Afridi made a big impact on the team by leading the same bunch of so-called losers in a very aggressive manner and fought it till the end, he made the selectors job easy to appoint him captain for ODI as well, but now there will be a big question mark after this controversy. I have a very strong feeling that Malik will take over the role of captaincy from here despite his pathetic form and his negative tactics and trivial politics. Or, they might think of another idiot Salman Butt, who scored two back to back ducks at Perth. If he is not considered to lead they will look at another Charsi Asif, who once again is a good bowler but, not a captaincy material. So, there is a dilemma here and without the chief selector.

    Reportedly Khalid Latif’s ribs are fractured because of the manhandling by a spectator, is it true?

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 31, 2010 - 11:51 PM

    There is also a very strong rumour that the PCB may not send Imran Nazir for the T20. Some sources in Pakistan were reportedly questioning whether is worth sending a player to Australia for just a 3 hour game? Spending thousands of dollars in airfare and hotel expenses. If this is real and if this is the mentality of the PCB then Ijaz Butt should stop traveling unnecessary.

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 1, 2010 - 1:49 PM

    Vaughan says England were lucky in ball-tampering row
    , UNITED KINGDOM Jan 07 2010 12:47

    England were lucky to escape unpunished from a ball-tampering controversy in their third Test against South Africa, according to former captain Michael Vaughan.

    “England should treat the whole ball-tampering incident as a warning,” he wrote in a column in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday.

    “They were lucky to get away without an official reprimand, or even a ban, because there is no doubt in my mind that they were trying to change the condition of the ball.”

    South Africa raised concerns about the ball during the third day of the third Test in Cape Town after television pictures showed England bowler Stuart Broad stopping the ball with his foot.

    Footage also suggested seamer Jimmy Anderson may have been picking the seam with his thumbnail.

    The International Cricket Council (ICC) decided no action would be taken, however, after South Africa made no official complaint.

    Vaughan said Broad had been stopping the ball with his boot all the way through the series and recalled similar examples from his own England days.

    “When I was captain, I would get my attack to bowl cross-seam bouncers at some point around the 15th over.

    “You never knew which side of the ball was going to hit the pitch and become scuffed up, but after you had done it three or four times, you chose one side to shine and one to keep rough.

    “Marcus Trescothick used to be our shiner: he would suck jelly babies to make one side of the ball sugary,” he added.

    “I don’t really know whether it made any difference, but I do know that we had a good summer with reverse swing in 2005.”

    Vaughan and Nasser Hussain, also a former England captain, said there would have been uproar had other nationalities been involved.

    “There is no doubt in my mind that, if a Pakistani or Indian bowler had been caught doing what Anderson did, we would have said he was cheating,” Hussain wrote in the Daily Mail.

    “I do not think the International Cricket Council have covered themselves in glory here,” he added. – Reuters

  42. #42 by Maza786 on February 1, 2010 - 5:41 PM

    Javed Khan, I completely agree with your spot on views. Because Stuart Broad was quite clearly and conclusively caught on camera but gets away with it. I don’t know why he was let off the hook. Whether he his white or his dad being a match referee I don’t know? But whatever the case, the ICC has clearly shown that they are a nepotistic and slightly racist organisation. Had Pak been in that position much more fuss would have been created as a matter of fact.

    Anyhow reverse swing is an art. It’s exciting and good for the game. Therefore, even if one has tampered with the ball it shouldn’t be seen as such a negative subject matter. I mean batters can pat down the pitch can’t they? After all batting has slightly overshadowed bowling in this current era so why shall one not let them utilise an art in order to add means of an equal balance for bowlers and excitement for spectators. Reverse swing is not such a height of difficulty that’s it’s unplayable and just adds challenge to batsmen when the game is getting a one-dimensional discipline. Its not as if its just a scientific invincibility. Plenty of skill is needed in order to accomplish it and utilise it effectively.

    Everything we seem to be best at doesn’t appear fully legitimate such as bowling doosra with a clean action and utilising full reverse swing.

  43. #43 by khansahab on February 1, 2010 - 10:43 PM

    By appointing Malik as captain, the PCB has taken another step backward.

    They should have given captaincy to someone new, like Akmal or someone else.

    The PCB don’t learn from mistakes. On the one hand there are reports Malik is fostering disunity in the team and on the other hand they are making him captain.

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 2, 2010 - 11:44 AM

    instead of announcing an independent commission to evaluate the performance, formed a six-member committee comprising paid employees and close friends to assess the matter. READ MORE…..–bi-05

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 2, 2010 - 11:52 AM

    Afridi’s ball biting has turned into chewing the cud.

    He apologized for his shameful act and vowed not to do it again, but he opened his mouth again not to bite the ball but this time it is like “chewing the cud” (Jugalee kerna) by saying ALL teams tamper with the ball is a loose statement and the ICC has taken note of it and he might be grilled over it. Why can’t he shut his mouth? From the top to the bottom i.e. from Ijaz Butt to everyone’s Butt there seems to be a virus called Verbal Diarrhea and all of them are suffering from this virus.

  46. #46 by khansahab on February 2, 2010 - 8:13 PM

    Enemy within reason for Pakistan’s defeat?

    KARACHI: Sources close to the team revealed that shocking instances of how a handful of players fought petty battles to secure personal career while the team’s interest became the obvious casualty.

    Kamran Akmal, Umar Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Misbah-ul-Haq, Salman Butt – these players caused problems and headaches for everyone at different stages of the tour and their actions confirmed they were more interested in personal issues rather than putting national and team interests above everything else,” one source said.

    He also said that captain Mohammad Yousuf watched helplessly as things went out of control since he lacked the strength of character that was needed in such a situation.

    “Yousuf himself was under immense pressure throughout the tour and it reflected in the way he handled issues,” the source said.

    Giving details, he said in the Test series in New Zealand, when Yousuf and coach Intikhab Alam sent Umar Akmal to bat in at number three, his elder brother Kamran threw tantrum.

    “It was astonishing the way Kamran behaved. He went after Yousuf and Intikhab for allegedly trying to hurt his brother’s career by sending him at number three. Kamran’s tantrum virtually forced Yousuf to go and bat himself at number three in the second innings of the Test,” the source said.

    He said throughout the New Zealand tour, no player was willing to bat at number three and Faisal Iqbal did it in the final Test only because he was desperate to play.

    “But even Faisal told Yousuf and Intikhab that he was willing to bat at number three but he must be given a fair chance and not made a sacrificial lamb,” the source said.

    He said Misbah was another problem but Shoaib Malik was the worst of the lot.

    “Shoaib Malik was the worst when he was not playing and sitting in the dressing room. He created a vile atmosphere with his attitude running down the players and passing snide remarks. He also complained a lot. The board should ensure if he is not playing he should not be in the dressing room. He created differences in the team,” the source said.

    He said after the Sydney Test, Umar Akmal tried to fake a back injury when he came to know that his brother Kamran was being dropped from the team.

    “Umar, four days before the Test in Hobart, said he had a back problem and couldn’t practise or play. The management sent him for an MRI scan when the reports came clear, Umar claimed he had developed a stiff back because of the weather,” the source said.

    The source said that Yousuf had failed miserably to control things and the management also seemed helpless.

    “Players dictated terms to the management. In Tasmania during a side match, Salman Butt refused to open in the second innings, insisting he had scored a hundred and wanted a rest. Kamran also didn’t keep wickets,” the source said.

    These were the same group of players who had ganged up against Younis Khan when he was captain and they are causing harm to Pakistan cricket with their behaviour,” the source said.

    Meanwhile, the Wasim Bari-led six-man panel, which will probe the team’s performance, has been directed to complete its hearing and submit its recommendations by end of February, Pakistan Cricket Board’s legal advisor and panel member Tafazzul Rizvi said.

    “We have to complete our proceedings and give our report because of the heavy international commitments of the Pakistan team this year,” Rizvi said.

    He said the hearings with the team players and officials would be held in-camera and terms of reference of the committee would be finalised in next few days.

  47. #47 by amir on February 2, 2010 - 9:27 PM

    Pcb made biggest blunder of tour by apointing malik captain now if pakistan wins this match he is going to take all credet for leading team to only victory of tour and all his allies will back him to be captain of all three formats. Some people are saying that reason why afridi bit the ball was bookmakers who didnt wanted him to play the match so he got paid and covered of all his loses what he suffered cause of ipl otherwise there was no no reason that player of his experience who knws that atleast 26 camaras are on him should have done this. Now even if this is not true how can he justify his actions by saying that all teams are doing it.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 3, 2010 - 12:59 PM

    Rashid Latif starting a new KCL (Karachi Champions League) with US$200,000 in cash prizes, the biggest ever prize money in Pakistan so far.

    So much has been said on Afridi’s ball chewing incident and even cartoons have been published that Afridi is sitting in a restaurant with a plate full of cricket balls and the waiter is asking ‘salt and pepper sir?”

    After all this hoopla some people are asking to legalize ball tampering, Bernard Julian former WI fast bowler says: “When all that (ball-tampering) first came out and the ball was reversing … People were saying hang on, we can’t have that. We can’t have the ball swinging around after fifty overs. Well, why not? Why can’t we do that?” With bats getting more powerful, grounds getting smaller and wickets getting flatter, Julian says bowlers need to be given more leeway.

    Changing the condition of the ball gives bowlers an edge as it allows them to get reverse swing when the ball is old, he added. New Zealand legend Sir Richard Hadlee has long been an advocate for open slather on ball tampering, saying bowlers should be allowed to alter the ball as long as they don’t use a foreign object

    Andrew Hughes wrote: “Time to legalise ball tampering?”

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 3, 2010 - 2:35 PM


    The expression in Urdu, “Bad accha, badnaam bura,” cannot be translated in any other language as it will lose the real meaning in translation. However, for those who do not know it means, ‘the real baddies are not considered as bad but, those who carry the label of being bad are considered bad.’ That is exactly the situation with Pakistan and its players, they carry a tag or a label with them. The country is labeled unsafe and insecure because of the so-called terrorism. And, one incident against the SL players in Lahore, the label has become more permanent in nature like a tattoo on their forehead. Other than that one off incident – which is still not clear who is responsible and why that politically motivated act crept into the cricket arena? – there has been no single incident in Pakistan where the threats from extremists to stop Indian players coming into Pakistan or digging up of grounds and pitches or, grabbing and hurting the players in the cricket ground while the match is in progress, or any such things. All these countries get away with these things as minor incidents whereas, Pakistan carries the label for being bad.

    It is time for Australia to admit that they have security issues and one of the reasons is, too much beer and alcohol in the stands and there are no fences or barricades preventing those who get high on alcohol or drugs and there is a sudden rush of blood and they run diagonally across the ground, men, women, young, middle-aged half naked, stark naked, somersaulting and displaying some acrobatics antics is considered as a part of the game or an amusement for the so-called broad minded and liberal society. The mean hunks can attack from behind and can seriously injure or even kill a player – is Cricket Australia waiting for one of the foreign players to be killed on the ground by one of the lunatics before they take any action?

    Not so long ago, one such person attack Andrew Symonds while he was batting so he was able to see his attacker and defend himself, whereas Khalid Latif was taken by surprise and attacked from behind. The attacker definitely appears drugged or intoxicated and from his facial expressions he appears very uncouth and uncivilized – surely and definitely the built and even a glimpse of an ex-convict.

    Peter Roebuck is former captain of Somerset team and a sports journalist has demanded the ban of alcohol at cricket stadiums and following is an excerpt from his article on cricinfo:

    Australia must get its house in order — Cricket Australia ought to consider banning alcohol at matches. It has gone well beyond a joke

    “Australia needs to start addressing the real issues. Indian students killed in Melbourne, Pakistanis assaulted on the field in Perth, blazing headlines around the world, a nation’s reputation dragged into the mud, and never mind that the PM is fluent in Cantonese and that many settlers from Africa and the Punjab and elsewhere are as happy as mankind can be. It cannot continue, in cricket or outside. ”

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 3, 2010 - 2:50 PM

    Further to my comment on WHY PAKISTANIS ARE CONSIDERED AS BAD? One of the reasons is the management – the PCB – is not capable of handling situations, they are not good ambassadors of the country, the do not have in-depth knowledge or even basic education in some cases – to tackle some very important and diplomatic issues. They create bad image and bad reputation about the people of Pakistan. The players too, do not have enough education or training neither in managing the team or in dealing with real basic moral and ethical issues. Everything is taken very lightly and casually the way they play a game without any plan or strategy shows how naive and ignorant they are that despite having such great talent, they end up losing a winning match. There are no tactical displays of any kinda skill, they do not have the ability to read a situation and act accordingly. Imran Khan has proved that his education played a pivotal role in leading the team as a captain. Javed Miandad had a wonderful technical cricketing brain he can read the game of cricket like a grandmaster in Chess but, his lack of education and the inability to express his thoughts was a hindrance in his career to succeed as a captain of the team. These are a few of the things that needed to be ingrained in the psyche of a player before he comes to the international level to represent his country. Otherwise, they will be chewing the ball like an apple.

    Afridi should have thought that winning or losing is just a part of the game, if he had fought bravely till the end, which almost happened that way it doesn’t matter who won or who lose? But, by chewing the ball he looked like an idiot. No matter how many times he will ask for forgiveness it won’t change the fact that he tried to tamper the ball which at present is illegal, it may be legalized in the next 5-10 years may be, who knows? But Afridi you have not only embarrassed yourself and the team, but the whole nation who have supported you with BOOM BOOM slogans.

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 3, 2010 - 7:05 PM


    It is only a matter of days, Ijaz Butt will be kicked out. The President of Pakistan is going to announce the new Chairman, there will be wholesale changes from top to bottom in the PCB as well as in the team.

  52. #52 by Mohammed Munir on February 3, 2010 - 7:44 PM

    Javed Khan …

    @ Comment no. 65 … All I have to say is:

    Aap Kay Moun Main Ghee-Shaker 😛

  53. #53 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 4, 2010 - 3:19 AM


    Aap ko bhee bahot bahot Mubarak ho! You know what I mean? 😀 Good to see you back. On the cricket front a lot things have happened so I am not sure if you have been able to follow it or not? The worst is the APPLE BITE. 😉

    As regards that rumour of I-Butt getting booted is very, very strong.

    Btw, have you heard about this news? Take a look at the URL:

  54. #54 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 4, 2010 - 3:37 AM

    Ijaz Butt slept twice during the meeting – IS IT NEW? –

    Darrel Hair says Afridi is a serial cheater

    Soop bolay tou bolay Chunni kya bolay? This MF Darrel Hair himself is the biggest cheat and a fraud, when he was cornered he demanded $500,000 in ransom, he was threatening the ICC and now he wants to spill venom against Shahid Afridi. Was he hiding his face under his own ass when Stuart The Broad and Jimmy Anderson were found tampering the ball? Nasir Hussain was quick to respond by writing in Daily Telegraph that Broad and Anderson got away with the ball tampering had this been a Pakistani player they would have banned him.

    Ricky Ponting admitted that if any of his players were tackled on field by a spectator, he would have walked off the field.

    Mike Atherton admitted that he had dirt in his pocket to scuff the ball and alter the shape of the ball – it is ball tampering.

    Vaughn admitted that England used to tamper the ball.

    Threscotic wrote in his book that England used to apply Jelly beans to smooth one side of the ball.

    Bothom admitted of tampering the ball not once but many times.

    Imran Khan admitted that he used to rough out one side of the ball with bottle openers and caps.

    There are a hundred other players who have tampered the ball once or may be more.

    Tampering a ball is illegal, tampering it with spikes, dirt, lifting the seam, using jelly beans, applying Vaseline, or by biting the ball is just the same. The only difference is this is a new Akhroat way of tampering.

  55. #55 by Mohammed Munir on February 4, 2010 - 6:24 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I have been away from most of the cricket action as I did not have any internet, Blackberry or TV (cricket news) and my only source of information was just a telephone call back home. Where, unfortunately, none of the cricket news was good. Luckily for me, I skipped our defeat in the third Test, the unexpected 5–0 white-wash, the IPL Saga and the way it unfolded, the Bite-Gate, etc. It seems PCB is once again going through the most difficult times and no news is good news.

    Though, there are lots of problems and so many of corrupt and useless guys around, but I hope and pray that, for the sake of Pakistan Cricket, Ijaz Butt is removed ASAP, and others will follow. We also need wholesale changes in the team members.

    Hairless Darrell is the biggest cheat himself who so openly demanded US$: 500,000/- from ICC for his resignation and his buddy Malcolm Speed, Ex-CEO of ICC, was almost on the verge of ‘donating’ him that amount. By blaming Afridi he was just trying to score a point against Pakistani players in general as PCB played a main part in exterminating him.

    Afridi was on the threshold of being nominated captain for almost all three forms of cricket for Pakistan, but then came his stupid blunder and now peoples have other thoughts about him being made the captain. I agree what he did was wrong, but Afridi is neither the first nor will be a last to tamper with the ball. On the contrary, he was not even tempering the ball for himself or any personal motives as his quota of 10 overs was finished and he was only trying to help his fast-bowlers. But by doing this, Afridi is really putting his fans through a lot and it will be so unfortunate for us not to see him playing in one of UAE games.

    Regarding this article on Extremism in Cricket, well now that Shiv-Sena and Lalit Modi have somehow succeeded in keeping Pakistani players out of their homegrown brand of IPL cricket, it is now the Australian players who are on their target. As we all know that some Asians, specially Indians, have been mistreated, racially abused and even killed in Australia recently, the Indian extremists (RSS, Shiv-Sena, BJP, Bal Thaa-Karay, etc.) have a good opportunity to settle their score with the Australian players who will be visiting India for the IPL. Although there are several issues with the player security and Ricky Ponting have openly admitted that if any of his players were tackled by on-field spectators he would have walked off the field, but it will be amusingly interesting to see Ponting and other Australian players coming back and playing in IPL in spite of open threats by the Indian extremists.

    See what the Australian players are thinking about IPL:
    (See the related links)

    And this is what Matthew Hayden has to say …

    “I have been welcomed into the bosom of India as a brother”.
    Matthew Hayden borrows a line out of a trashy Bollywood script to explain why he’ll come for the IPL despite a threat issued against Australians by a right-wing party.

    It really proves the age old proverb that, “Money talks”, and bullshit walks. 😉

    PS: No I did not hear about the Adamdeen news before, but it made interesting reading.

  56. #56 by amir on February 4, 2010 - 6:33 AM

    JAVED darrell hair is a racist and cheater he simply cnt let it go when it comes to asian teams but why we gave him chance to open his mouth? Regarding broad and anderson south africa never lodged any complain to icc or match refree so they got away with it. But we cnt justfy afridi’s actions by all these examples and especialy when he want to become captain of all three formats lets imagine a scenario that pakistan is playing worldcup quarterfinal afridi is captain and our most performing player and in the heat of moment he chew the ball, scruff the wicket or raised his bat to spectator and if pakistan wins that match what we gona do in semis and final. The guy is too emotional. And about khalid latif incident ricky ponting is absolutely right he or even any other team else than pakistan had taken thier team out of the ground atleast for time being i dnt knw why our team and manegement are too friendly while others are not to us.we really need some strong characters in team manegment.

  57. #57 by amir on February 4, 2010 - 8:07 AM

    According to geo super pakistan has announced its playing eleven for t20 match against australia the team consists of SHOAIB MALIK(CAPTAIN) IMRAN FARHAT, KAMRAN AKMAL, IMRAN NAZIR, KHALID LATIF, FAWAD ALAM, UMER AKMAL, RANA NAVEED, MUHAMMAD ASIF, SAEED AJMAL AND UMER GUL.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 5, 2010 - 4:20 AM

    Read this what Imran Khan said:

    Ramiz Raja nay tou dill ki baat keh dali, he doesn’t want Afridi to captain the side anymore! So, he is there to back his Jiyala Malak. Who has also cheated in the final of the ABN AMRO cup when he deliberately lost the match. Malik was captain then and he said, “You should have seen what they (opponents) did so we have every right to lose this match deliberatly ” i.e., to act like a Dog in the Manger. On top of that he said, “Saari Omer kon cricket khelta hai, agar mai apnay Allah ko razi ker loon tou yehi bahot hai meray liyeh. ” I didn’t get why wants to razi his Allah after throwing the match deliberately? On one hand he was guilty and on the other he wasn’t.

    Like one man’s garbage is another man’s treasure, Afridi lost the opportunity because of his own stupidity and Malik gained because of Afridi’s stupidity.

  59. #59 by amir on February 5, 2010 - 6:45 AM

    JAVED and OMER more than anything we need to change the mentality and attitude of the whole team and for that we have to put young blood and groom them to winning mentality and get rid of these so called seniors in team so they cnt influence them with thier mediocre performances and thoughts. Telant wise we are up thier with the best in the world even at junior levels we just need proper direction and tactical awareness and planning in the team to get good results. And for that we need changes from pcb management to team. We need to get rid of guys like moulana yousaf who still want to be captain and is satisfied with team performance even after 3-0 lose in tests and 5-0 in odis.

  60. #60 by khansahab on February 5, 2010 - 9:12 PM

    The farce of PCB

    By Shoaib Alvi

    Thursday, 04 Feb, 2010

    Yousuf has to go forever as a leader not because he is naïve tactically or lacks command but because he criticises his players in public.—File photo by AFP

    It is about time we read PCB to mean Permanently Confused Board. I also think the current chairman’s Evolution Committee should be named FARCE —Friends Appointees Relatives Clearing Ejaz (if I may take minor liberty in spelling the Chairman’s first name).

    Whatever the findings of the committee, Yousuf has to go forever as a leader not because he is naïve tactically or lacks command but because he criticises his players in public.

    His public criticism of Khurram Manzoor for his technique (doesn’t matter true or not) and citing no future for him after he had dug in for a near Test century when all ‘artistic’ batsmen had returned with an empty canvas, is reflective of contempt for fighters.

    Calling Salman lazy was silly as well. Intikhab has to go, not just because he is incapable of even self motivation, but because after running down Kaneria he has the audacity to say we need younger blood. The average age of the Pakistan side must be 25 or something!! I only hope he meant younger blood in coaching.

    Someone very reliable told me that he had elbowed into the job with a word from Shahbaz Sharif. I refuse to believe this on the grounds that no sharif aadmi would propose Inti for a coach even of a club side. And if he was that close to the Sharif brothers wouldn’t Mian Sahib become better by now at bowling googlies?

    Aaqib is the man I most respect as a tactician and I would want him to stay on. He is one cricketer with a positive attitude throughout his career and can strategize for a team if given independence.

    He disappointed me a bit however when television pictures showed him rudely scolding Sarfraz in full view when he was sitting down after delivering a change of gloves in one of the ODIs. He needs to become calmer and be more of a father figure to the newcomers.

    Now, I am not and never will be an ethnic minded person. Some of the most intelligent, decent and loyal friends I have hail from outside Karachi. But I still need to ask: Why is it that Danish, Khurram and Sarfraz have been at the receiving end of public display of anger and criticism by the coaches and captain?

    Why was Sami sent home after a fine return to Test cricket? Why has Fawad Alam been kept out of the playing eleven, even sent home, when it is clear from the last 2 ODIs that he would have been an asset in the Test team?

    Same question regarding Asim Kamal’s omission over the past 4 years? Why hasn’t Khalid Latif been given his chance when we were struggling for Test openers and kept going back to Hafeez?

    Younis also, has clearly been hounded out by a group of self savers and people who let him go have been guilty of giving in to player power.

    To a great extent same is true of people like Yasir Hameed from Peshawar and Mohammad Wasim from Rawalpindi? And Younis too does hail from Mardan.

    History also shows that the traits of the Baloch and Sindhi are still to be incorporated. Cricket administrators have done next to nothing to promote cricket in these provinces over the last six decades. Building a stadium is not promotion.

    Again this is NOT an ethnic argument I am making. It’s just that a mix of different cultures and communities bring balance into a team. They bring multiplicity in thought and analysis.

    If you see the golden period from 1976 to 1999 there was Majid, Imran, Mudassar, Qadir, Salim Malik, Wasim, Waqar, Inzi, Mushtaq Ahmed, Saqlain, Aamir Sohail from Central Region.

    Asif Iqbal, the Mohammad family, Miandad, Mohsin, Haroon, Zaheer, Iqbal Qasim, Tauseef, Saeed Anwar, Bari/Salim Yousuf/Rashid/Moin came from South. But even in some Karachi players there was Punjabi and Pathan descendants and even from Lahore there was Pathan heritage in Lahore players.

    The aggression from the North and Central was matched with the instinctiveness of the south. The best ‘keepers have always come from Karachi because the frames are more nimble here while the best fast bowlers have come from the Central and North because of better builds. That’s what made for more balanced outlook and analysis, more tactical reading on the ground.

    Once this balance of skill sets became skewed since around 2004 we degenerated. Now look at the current set of players, team management, and the PCB decision makers and see why our cricket has become one dimensional.

    See also the management and coaches that go with Under 19’s and ‘A’ sides, irrespective of victory or loss. There has to be diversity in representation.

    Miandad has been literally thrust into PCB, and Bari came up because Salim Altaf left.

    It can also be said that Karachi is not bringing out enough skilled cricketers. It is the death of club cricket, lethargy, disinterest and incompetence of Karachi administrators because of which Karachi, once the nursery for cricketers, has reached such a low level of grooming, influence and participation in all aspects of national cricket.

    It doesn’t matter how many paper protests are made from Karachi, it is the results that count. That is what differentiates a postman from a CEO; an elephant from a lion.

    There was time when we lived as one, we planned as one, we fought as one on the cricket field. It didn’t matter who was captain and from where.

    The more achieving captains — Kardar, Hanif, Mushtaq, Imran, Miandad, Wasim — all led the right mix. To the people who go hoarse shouting that we should have fresh blood in the team or those who hark for experience, I would say just go for balance and range in thinking in all aspects that affect performance in management, coaching and on the field. You are all barking up the wrong tree. The answer is diversity of thought, techniques and breeding horses for courses.

    I would have written exactly the same words had the power centre been restricted to Karachi, Quetta or Peshawar. We have honorable people in all parts and the officials who have resigned their posts in the last one year over principles are from Lahore, Karachi and Peshawar.

    Last point. To all those who claim that the national team suffers because of an inadequate domestic structure: Please explain how our Under-19 team reached the final and almost won the World Cup? And how is it that in the last 4 World Cups we have reached the final 3 times and won 2, all outside Pakistan?

    If you can’t I will. They all had the regional diversity I was talking about in team combination. Interesting that in the 3 events where we reached the final, the captains were, respectively, Sarfraz Ahmed, Khalid Latif and Azeem Ghumman (from Hyderabad).

    None of them have been able to get a regular place in the Pakistan XI. The city that never slept has now gone into deep slumber. Time to wake up, Pakistan. The alarm has been ringing for quite some time.

  61. #61 by 420 on February 6, 2010 - 1:34 AM

    with my limited knowledge about pak cricketers, all i remember is asim kamal among that list. i still remember the last time we toured there, that guy drew/won a match for PAK. if i am not wrong, kamran akmal also made his debut the same time. their combo was deadly in the lower middle order then. asim had this “attitude”, that would turn off an opposition team/fan 😛 abdul razzaq has similar attiude, if u know what i am talking about.

    also, why was saqlain mustaq out of the team?is it loss of form?

  62. #62 by 420 on February 6, 2010 - 1:39 AM

    about the carpenter vs engineer stuff, i remember how playing cricket was looked down by my parents and other elders then. they were of the opinion that playing cricket we would end up without good acads. my dad went to the extent of paying money and joining my bro in a tennis academy. my mom prayed god that my bro would not be selected in the district cricket selection. damn, last 10 years changed everything!

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 6, 2010 - 3:45 AM

    Yeah 420, I remember how our parents were when it came to academics. We were not allowed to play even on week-ends when exams were approaching. Every evening we were supposed to be home by sunset and things like that. I was so fond of typing as a kid that whenever I used to go to my dad’s office I used to sneak into the other section where they had a typewriter and wanted to type fast like the typist in his office. At the age of 11 -12, I started taking typing lessons and my dad found out that I was taking typing lessons. He was so upset, he asked me do you wanna choose your career as a typist? He stopped me from taking lessons but, by then I had already learned and even today I thank God that I have learned how to type like a pro. My typing speed is over 90 words per minute or 360 characters per minute. It helped me so much at my job using my PC and typing my own reports and spreadsheets, cash flow statements and many other things, whereas my colleagues used to depend on secretaries, typists and clerks to type for them and they proof read them and then it goes for retyping etc.

    On one side my dad stopped me from taking typing lessons (the fees I was dishing out from my own pocket money) on the other side he was paying thousands of rupees for my brother’s pilot training. Like you’ve said, times have changed………. yeah indeed they have.

  64. #64 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 6, 2010 - 4:05 AM


    Whatever this guy Shoaib has written, we have already discussed this on this blog before in fact we have been more precise and more blunt. And, what is he writing, a history lesson? That Bari was in Miandad came in and then Saleem Altaf left……. I am not impressed by all this claptrap.

  65. #65 by khansahab on February 6, 2010 - 9:51 AM


    Aamir Liaqaut Hussain, renowned Islamic scholar of Pakastan, has said that the Pakastan team has started losing matches because they are wearing shoes with green soles.

    He thinks that since green is the “colour of Islam”, God is somehow punishing the Pakistan team for insulting Islam.

    I wonder if walking or running on grass is also un-Islamic?

  66. #66 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 6, 2010 - 2:01 PM


    Also, add to the list that, eating green vegetables is barbaric and against Islam. 😀

    These stupid assholes have nothing else to do but find some stupid reasons to get a stupid message across and the uneducated and uncouth masses start believing them. That is why education and enlightenment is more important.

  67. #67 by 420 on February 6, 2010 - 4:06 PM

    the attitude i am talking about was similar to almost what u said. on the ground, razzaq had this face which says ” i dont give a shyt” to the opposition which is really sorta mindgame. do u remember the game where SL had 7 wickets in hand, chasing 23 runs off 10 overs against PAK? PAK went on to TIE the game , razzaq took a hatrick or some 5 wickets. miss those quality games now a days! as much as i pray pak lose to India, when pak plays someone else its a different story then.

    india-SA match, the selection of saha is totally out of the blue. bhajji continues to enjoy a place rather than earn it. and yeah, SA are in the adv at the moment

  68. #68 by Arshad Khan on February 6, 2010 - 5:51 PM

    What i don’t understand is why did Malik bowl i mean there was Saeed Ajmal who is good bowler in 20/20. it surprised me when malik came to bowl and he brought Saeed Ajmal in the end. Malik went for almost 7 runs per over and that is another reason why australia reached 127.

  69. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 6, 2010 - 11:58 PM

    Arshad Khan

    The reason Malik bowled in the T20 was, they were a bowler short because of Afridi and he had to bowl, and as a captain if he had not bowled he would have been criticized a lot, so he had to bowl and the first over was expensive and he was nervous but, in the second he got a wicket of Brit he clean bowled him, that gave him a lot of confidence and from the other end too wickets were falling at regular intervals. And then in the third over he got Haddin stumped by Kamran (that was a good piece of keeping, I have to say that it was an excellent stumping by Akmal) But, his last over the was most expensive one and that is why he gave away 31 runs or 7.75 per over. Besides, Australia were all out in Gul’s over and Ajmal didn’t get a chance to bowl his last over.

    Gul was lucky that Fawad Alam was fielding in the gully/point region and took 2 very good catches and a great run out of Cameron White, that was electric. I am saying Gul was lucky because, if there was Imran Farhat or Khalid Latif, they may not have taken those catches.

  70. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 7, 2010 - 2:15 AM

    I wasn’t comparing Johnson with Aamer or vice versa, I have mentioned what I have seen that as left arm bowlers they were pitching the ball slightly outside the off stump and for the right hand batsmen it was swinging away. The ability to swing both ways is different and certainly Aamer being so young can learn a lot more and improve a lot more provided he stays on the right track and doesn’t get spoiled like others.

    Did you read Ramiz Raja’s article on cricinfo in which he has asked to “spare Afridi”, at home he was saying that Afridi should not be made captain of ODI after this ball biting episode. Then Harsha Bhogle and a few others wrote that despit all that Afridi must be made the captain because he has the captaincy material in him. This ball tampering issue has not surfaced for the first time, even the greats as well as the mediocre players have done it. Afridi was bold enough or naive to say that “All teams do that” may change the perception of those who are reluctant to admit. The irony is most of these players who are saying they used to tamper the ball have now retired and they can talk, whereas Afridi is at the peak of his form and his cricketing career and him saying this openly and bluntly is a very big surprise for many. Those who hate him wants to see the back of him even before he took a bite at the ball. 😀

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 7, 2010 - 2:15 AM

    I wasn’t comparing Johnson with Aamer or vice versa, I have mentioned what I have seen that as left arm bowlers they were pitching the ball slightly outside the off stump and for the right hand batsmen it was swinging away. The ability to swing both ways is different and certainly Aamer being so young can learn a lot more and improve a lot more provided he stays on the right track and doesn’t get spoiled like others.

    Did you read Ramiz Raja’s article on cricinfo in which he has asked to “spare Afridi”, at home he was saying that Afridi should not be made captain of ODI after this ball biting episode. Then Harsha Bhogle and a few others wrote that despit all that Afridi must be made the captain because he has the captaincy material in him. This ball tampering issue has not surfaced for the first time, even the greats as well as the mediocre players have done it. Afridi was bold enough or naive to say that “All teams do that” may change the perception of those who are reluctant to admit. The irony is most of these players who are saying they used to tamper the ball have now retired and they can talk, whereas Afridi is at the peak of his form and his cricketing career and him saying this openly and bluntly is a very big surprise for many. Those who hate him wants to see the back of him even before he took a bite at the ball. 😀

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 7, 2010 - 2:34 AM

    EXACTLY this is the point what you have written just now, but Afridi haters do not wish to see him ever, you must read those comments followed by the article, and not just Ramiz wala but so many people have written since then (except us, we did not do a thread on it or wrote any article) and those people who are writing against Afridi are with Indian names and Anglo names are spitting venom. And, even a few with Muslim names are so obvious when they write Asaf and Pakastan, you know unka Tallak (Ta’aluq) kahan say hai? 😀

    Once again I am not defending Afridi’s action but, it is not something that he should be punished for life or stripped from Captaincy when they badly need him as a captain. I am sure if he was there in the T20 match they would have won.

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 7, 2010 - 2:36 AM


    The bottom line is sab Adam ki aolaad hain. 😀

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 7, 2010 - 2:40 AM

    Diversity is good and mixed marriages are also good because they bring about the best of the species from diversity otherwise you end up like a Royal Blood with Royal Diseases such as Hemophilia and what not. 😀 Thank God we don’t have to worry about those things.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 7, 2010 - 2:41 AM

    If curiosity is man’s first instinct then, why did it kill the cat? 😀

  76. #76 by newguy on February 7, 2010 - 4:22 AM


    You are right that Pakistan has the potential to win Test matches in India, they have done so before and they may do so again. That said, I seriously doubt the current team will be able to pull it off. It’s one thing to have potential but another to actually being able to do it. I think they are very much distracted with external events that they are not able to come together for the team cause. Anyhow, these are all ifs and butts, since Pakistan is not playing India anytime soon.

    Do you think SA is playing too slow in this match? I am getting bored with the overly cautious approach from Kallis and Amala, both have strike rate around 50, pitch is flat, I think they should score more faster if they want to have enough time to bowl India out twice.

  77. #77 by khansahab on February 7, 2010 - 9:34 AM

    There is a new thread on the blog.

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