Afridi biting the ball but, he is not the first one to bite.

Afridi biting the ball but, he is not the first one to bite.

Every single staunch supporter of Shahid Afridi got shocked and embarrassed after the news and seeing Afridi biting the ball. That was a moment of madness and he did that in front of 20 odd cameras, without realizing that he was being focused, in fact some of the cameras are keeping a focus on the ball wherever it goes. Then Afridi not only apologized to everyone but, also added a blunt comment on top of that like, a “Teep Ka Bandh” that all teams do. That enraged many of  his haters and they are demanding to ban him from 5 years to life. Little do they have the knowledge that you cannot be punished twice for the same offense.



As they say, “innocent until proven guilty.” Afridi never denied, he couldn’t have otherwise he would have looked a bigger fool because the proof was right there and he knew that he did that. There is a much better saying in Urdu, which says: “Chor hum sab hain, pakray jayen tab.” Thieves we all are, until we are caught.

Now, look at this video, Indian medium pacer Manoj Prabhakar is caught biting the ball. Check out this video, its not doctored, it is real, the only difference is he was not in focus as Afridi is and Indian players are saints they don’t do anything unfair, they are holier than cow, unlike Pakistanis who are famous for being trouble makers and labeled as cheaters. But, it is right here on this video in black and white or in colour, as you like it:

Tendulkar was only removing grass from the ball and not lifting the seam

Tendulkar was only removing grass from the ball and not lifting the seam

I was reading on the internet an interview by one of the Indian players called SANDHU, who was critical of Shahid Afridi biting the ball and quoting Imran Khan has taught the whole world how to tamper the ball, as if the whole world were living in stone age and Imran Khan is the torch bearer who brought them the light, especially the Indians who never cheated or tampered the ball. Perhaps Sandhu was not aware of a player called Prabhakar?

Now wait a second, who can imagine a gentleman like Rahul Dravid can tamper the ball? Well it is a known fact that in 2004 in Brisbane he was caught by the TV cameras rubbing a cough lozenges on the shiny side of the white ball and it was reported to Clive Lloyd and he was fined 50% of his match fee. Here is the link:

Not just Rahul Dravid but, Bhagwan Sri Romesh Sachin God Tendulkar was also handed a 75% match fee fine and a one-match suspended sentence by Mike Denness for a similar offense at Port Elizabeth in 2001-02. Since Tendulkar is god and he is above others, his fans, supporters and Indian media tried to hush hush it by saying Tendulkar is innocent, he wasn’t pulling the seam off, he was actually removing pieces of grass stuck to the ball, his only mistake is he should have taken umpire’s permission. Right, Shahid Afridi should have taken umpire’s permission that he is going to bite off a piece of grass from the ball?

Rahul Dravid - Why did I not eat that darn lozenges instead of rubbing them on the ball?

Rahul Dravid - Why did I not eat that darn lozenges instead of rubbing them on the ball?

I had to write this as a retort against some of the Indian Blogs I was reading which are constantly accusing Afridi also, ridiculing Imran Khan, Ramiz Raja and others who have said that ball tampering is not new and Afridi’s case has been blown out of proportion. Therefore, I suggest them to look into their own GIRAYBAAN before accusing others. Since Prabhakar has chewed the ball it was before Afridi’s time it goes to prove that India is the leader, the only difference is they tried to hide the dirt under the carpet and are happy in mudslinging on Pakistan.

Stupid are those Pakistani Senators who are demanding a life ban on Shahid Afridi, it proves that they have no knowledge or any clue about the history of the game and are simply raising their voice to get some attention. Shame on them.

Now, lets turn towards those Gora Saabs or the so called gentlemen who made these rules and are so proud that they are above the law and cannot be punished. Before we come to the recent events lets see how long have they been breaking the law and since when they have been tampering the ball?

Legendary Australian leg spinner Arthur Mailey admitted in his 1958 autobiography, that he kept powdered resin in his pocket and regularly lifted the seam for the quick bowlers during the 1920-21 Ashes series.  See they are so proud of their history. One day Mike Atherton will write a  book and talk about the dirt in his pocket that he used to rough out the ball. John Lever, applied Vaseline on the ball to shine it.

There is long list of controversies related to ball tampering. Some people believe that it is part and parcel of the game. But, the My Baaps of cricket or the politburo called, The ICC has different plans to tackle this dangerous crime. They want to clamp a deterrent against such activity, and for doing this, they have made certain laws. Law 21.3 (The Result): Umpires awarding the match; Law 42.3: Award five penalty runs to batting side and Law 42.1.2: Umpires shall report the incident to the ICC match referee. We all know how Inzamam’s team suffered at the hands of Adolf Hair?

According to the ICC Code of Conduct correctly, ball tampering is a ‘level 2’ offence (Article 2.2.9) complaints can be made by the team officials or the umpires to the Match Referee (article 3.1). The match referee cannot instigate action in such cases (article 3.1.4) I am referring to the recent case of Stuart Broad and Jimmy Anderson’s case where Broad was seen using his spikes to scratch the ball and Jimmy was lifting the seam, both were caught on the camera, but no action was taken because SA did not report and Mahanama’s Roshandan was hapless meaning his hands were tied. Someone needs to register a complaint.

Here is another classic case of reporting and not reporting. In SA when Afridi raised his bat against a spectator who abused him, the matter was not reported by anyone and no one expected that any action would be taken. But, surprise, surprise, surprise one insider of the ICC who must be dying to see Afridi’s back and damage Pakistan’s reputation made a copy of the video and sent it to the Chairman of the ICC Malcolm Speed, who was in the Caribbean and suggested him to ban Afridi for 4 ODI’sand he was banned, that was one of the reasons that Pakistan performed so poorly in that world cup. Had he played against Ireland things would have been different.

It is important to know why they all rub the ball to make it shine on one side and and scuff the other? Basically it is done to make the ball swing. The ICC law is very stupid here, if it allows the bowler and 10 other players to lick it, rub it on the groin, on the thighs, on their hips and, apply saliva to shine it more — is also tampering the ball. The ball is not a coin that one side it is tails and the other side is heads, both sides are equal and same and so must be the law. There cannot be two set of rules besides, this not a rule of thumb but a law that has been made and approved, hence it must be be clear and applicable in all situations. Therefore, people are asking for changing the law, after all it is a man made law and it is not flawless, in fact it is a stupid law and must be changed.

Einstein wasn’t born in Pakistan nor Newton to think about how to reverse swing a cricket ball? The British may have created this game and gained supremacy in the beginning by beating their opponents Australia, West Indies and India.  It was a game of the Lords and then the lords had to play with their slaves and convicts and then, they lost the supremacy as others got better and better. What the Pakistanis discovered to reverse swing the cricket ball is they realized that when one side is smooth and the other is rough it causes a pressure difference between the two sides of the ball. The air pressure depends on the flow of air over each side of the ball.

Normal swing is generated when bowlers, by accident or intent, disrupt the flow of air over one side of the ball by keeping one side of the ball polished smooth and shiny, and delivering the ball with the polished side forward, and the seam angled in the direction of desired swing. As we all know the out swing delivery moves away from the right-handed batsman, while the in swing delivery moves in towards him. Reverse swing is very different from conventional swing.

Although the seam is oriented in the same way as for an outswinger and the action is the same, the rough side of the ball is to the fore, and the ball moves in to the batsman like an inswinger. Reverse swing is achieved when the ball is bowled very fast. In this case the air flow will become turbulent on both sides before it reaches the seam. It was only the Pakistani fast bowlers who realized it first and also had the ability to bowl it fast and accurate. Doosra is also a Pakistani invention when others use this technique they are not as good as the inventors – hence there is and will be a difference between the original and the imitation.

Finally, my point is for those who accuse others, first try to dig out more information more facts and see whether you are justified in accusing others or you are also a culprit and not knowing that you are a culprit and then you are exposed, you look like an idiot. So, follow the rules of a good diplomat who thinks twice before saying nothing. On this blog we support Shahid Afridi a lot, but that does not mean we trust him blindly or consider him a god or some deity we do criticize him and call him Akhroat when he does something stupid.

This time, we were not in a hurry to defend him, we too were shocked at his stupidities but, come to think of it, YES its not a big deal, there are more sinister things that have happened, there are more sinister players in the team who have tried to ruin this game by playing dirty politics, by dividing the team, by deliberately getting out, by way of match fixing for money or for self pride or for the sake of regionalism and personal vendetta, they need more punishment than someone who tampers the ball.

  1. #1 by khansahab on February 20, 2010 - 9:04 AM

    Javed A Khan

    This is a very good article. The last paragraph is the one I liked the most. There are more sinister players in the team and they have got away with murder since the past 3-4 years yet no one wants to punish them but somehow people are saying Afridi should receive a life ban?

    These tales of sinisterness are not being promulgated by Legslip- we report on issues when we see them in newspapers.

    The problem is not just what Afridi did, I think what he said in the aftermath was equally bad. He is not a politically correct, or diplomatic person. He has made statements about regionalism in the team, he has attacked the gameplay and character of players like Misbah and Malik and he has been misunderstood many times. So when he said that he was only smelling the ball, or that everyone tampers with the ball, he looked not only guilty of the offence but also guilty of trying to subdue the seriousness thereof.

  2. #2 by khansahab on February 20, 2010 - 9:11 AM

    Pakistan’s performance in T20 was pathetic. I was most disappointed with the bowlers and Fawad Alam. I remember when we used to discuss the T20 World Cup, I used to blame Malik for wasting 20 odd balls in every innings and scoring at a strike rate of 80-100. I received criticism from some gentlemen from Punjab who said that Malik was doing well as a “consolidator” and I was making statements because of regional bias.

    Now, Alam scored at a strike rate of 100 but in my opinion that is bad batting in T20. If you have played more than 15 balls that is enough time to get settled in a format like T20 and you need to start going for the big shots. Alam should have made at least 30 runs.

    However, he is still a better player than someone like Malik because he is such a good fielder.

    Pakistan is one of the worst Test teams, an average ODI team and now they don’t appear invincible in T20 too without Afridi playing and without Gul in form.

  3. #3 by khansahab on February 20, 2010 - 2:54 PM

    I have noticed that Ramiz Raja always talks about ethnicity.

    Today also he said that Afridi is popular in UAE because he is a Pathan and Pathans would support a Pathan.

    Ramiz has said this many times before, why does he need to keep reminding us of this?

    All Punjabi players are very popular in Punjab. Malik is very popular amongst Punjabis- so what is the big deal?

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 20, 2010 - 4:54 PM

    Wow Abdul Razzaq came and smashed two sixes in a row of Collingwood, thats the aanhaan, aanhaan I like it. I dunno what the rest of the 5 players who got out were doing? Imran Farhat and Imran Nazir like I said, are hopeless players and Malik the less we talk about him, the better it is about his batting and captaincy. And, what was Akhroat doing again? Trying to hit aimless sixes down into the throat of a fielder.

    Gul is totally out of form, there is something wrong with his length, Waqar should be able to spot it and correct him. In both these ODI’s he was targeted by the English players and he is the most expensive bowler in the team.

    Razzaq going berserk again, another SIX to Wright. He is on fire, 24 in 8 balls a strike rate of 300 at the moment and he has reduced the target to mere 43 in 30 balls, a few more sixes and there you go.

  5. #5 by khansahab on February 20, 2010 - 4:59 PM

    Excellent batting by Razzaq, and what good support by Alam. Alam is picking up doubles very regularly and he got a boundary as well.

    Well done Fawad.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 20, 2010 - 5:04 PM

    Alam is out, he tried to hit a six and got out in the deep. Abdul Razzaq is the key now, Yasar Arafat and Gul can also hammer a few fours and sixes.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 20, 2010 - 5:07 PM

    Abdul Razzaq needs to hit a couple of boundaries or sixes here to ease the pressure, they should not take it to the last over 17 runs in 12 balls needed now.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 20, 2010 - 5:10 PM

    Bresnon will bowl the last over, Shahzad on debut bowling well for England is on the attack now. There goes Abdul Razzaq with a massive SIX.

  9. #9 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 20, 2010 - 5:13 PM

    Abdul Razzaq did not disappoint, he hit a couple more sixes as I expected and he once again remained not out on 46 in 18 balls a strike rate of 256. Match over.

    Malik should not be happy that Pakistan has won under his captaincy, it was all Abdul Razzaq’s effort, single handedly he has won this match for Pakistan and he has proved that you cannot ignore him in T20.

  10. #10 by khansahab on February 20, 2010 - 5:14 PM


    The master of clean hitting is back.

    Match winning innings, what a knock.

    Very good support by Fawad Alam, I don’t think Pakistan could have won without his contribution.

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 20, 2010 - 5:21 PM

    some how the link of Manoj Prabhakar chewing the ball is not working on the thread, but here is the link:

    Khansahab could you please look into this and insert the link in the thread? thanks.

  12. #12 by khansahab on February 20, 2010 - 5:23 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I did this last night. On my browser the link appears as a video link and works perfectly.

  13. #13 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 20, 2010 - 7:29 PM


    Pls. check it again, as there is nothing on my computer, not even the URL, whereas you say it appears as a video link and works perfectly. I used Mozilla Firefox and then just to reconfirm, I checked it on Internet Explorer, in fact there is a big empty space appearing on the left and also on the bottom of Tendulkar’s photo. So, I am not sure, what you are talking about?

    Anyways, Malik in his speech got stuck on the word AWESOME, perhaps this is a new word he has learnt and repeating like a parrot, earlier he used to say superb. And, because this was a win, he did not use his usual template of “we are professionals and we are learning from our mistakes.”

  14. #14 by khansahab on February 20, 2010 - 7:36 PM

    Javed A Khan

    When you go on the main LS page and you see your thread, beneath Tendulkar’s photo I can see the video image with the “play” button.

    When I click the play button the video starts playing.

    I think you have earlier complained that your computer does not play Youtube videos, or something like that? Or that it does not load them?

  15. #15 by 420 on February 20, 2010 - 8:17 PM

    LOL@ javed’s comments on malik.

    shoaib malik was really good in the early part of his career. i thought he is gonna be another afridi, in the sense, started as bowler and started becoming a solid batsman. now when i look back, it seems most of his good scores are against India.

  16. #16 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 20, 2010 - 9:45 PM

    In that picture, Afridi is biting the ball the following conversation took place prior to the biting.

    Rana: Yaar, baal nai swing hoindi
    Afridi: Kya baat ker raye ho? Ball kaisay nai swing hoti?
    Rana: Yaar, nai hori na
    Afridi: Accha lao mujhay dou ball.
    Rana: A low pharow
    Afridi: Chomp, chomp, chomp, jao kero ab swing hogi. 😀

  17. #17 by 420 on February 21, 2010 - 12:15 AM


    oh yeah, it came out even in my regional news paper. yousuf tells that there is one player who is disturbing team unity. and malik responds to that with dumb you remember he was engaged to a girl in hyderabad, in India? and when he played a friendly/practice game there, crowd were literally supporting him. i guess the engagement is broken.

    coming to India,the one thing i like about dhoni’s captaincy is that his era has ended the lobbying by various regions. but again, i think we have a delhi lobby shaping up. ishant and mishra need to take a break, but they are allowed to play at the expense of praveen kumar/irfan/rp and ojha/murli karthik.

  18. #18 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 21, 2010 - 2:15 AM


    It wasn’t just an engagement, actually Malik married that girl over the telephone (which is not a new thing btw) and it wasn’t that he didn’t see the girl. The Hyderabadi girl was in Dubai and he met her there a few times. Reportedly the girls parents are very rich and the girl wasn’t a beauty but, Malik got interested. And, Malik’s parents did not want him to marry a Hyderabadi girl, they wanted him to marry a Punjabi girl. Based on his parents forcing Malik started Talum Toli (dillydallying) with the girl and her parents who were asking for a formal wedding reception, he was anna kaaning. When it was so obvious that Malik will not proceed, the girl’s father asked for a divorce and Malik refused that, he kept saying it was only an engagement and not a marriage. That is only to prove a point that he wasn’t married or, he is not a second hand husband 😀

    As you recall that when he was playing a match in Hyderabad, the crowd was supporting him (it was a match with South Zone or Hyderabad XI whatever in which Malik scored 80 odd runs with four sixes in it. Then, after the match he responded to the media by saying: “Aaj Sasural may izzat reh gayee” i.e., he managed to play well. Then, he took Inzamam and a few players as well as Bob Woolmer to that girl’s house for a dinner. All this came in the newspapers and he was being addressed as “Hyderabad Ka Dammad” (Son-in-law of Hyderabad).

    My question is why would anyone go to such an extent that you call Hyderabad your Sasural and you took your colleagues and your coach to your Sasural when you are simply engaged and that too on telephone? The girl’s father was very upset after the break-up by saying, ‘according to the religion my daughter needs a divorce.’ But, Malik denied that and when he was interviewed by Nadia Khan, she asked why he did not marry her? And, he said, “Ammi nai maanee” and then he cried like a baby with tears……. ask khansahab he sent me that video link and I was laughing my heads off.

    Then he fall in love with that filmi aikastraa (extra) Siyali Bhagat and went to Mumbai to see her 4 times in 2 months. Ultimately she discarded him and rejected him. 😀

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 21, 2010 - 2:31 AM



    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Cricket Board’s sitting duck (chairman) Ijaz Butt, has broken his predecessor’s record by spending Rs6.4 million on his foreign tours during the last 15 months.

    According to a document made available to Dawn, the former PCB chief during his 17 months’ stay in the office had incurred an amount of Rs5.05 million while Rs2.3 million was spent on the foreign tours of former Chief Operations Officer (COO) Shafqat Naghmi.

    Chairman PCB Ijaz Butt has spent Rs1.4 million on the purchase of international tickets besides spending Rs4.33 million on accommodation abroad from the kitty of the cricket board.

    Mr Butt has visited Dubai, Abu Dhabi, India, Malaysia, Germany, South Africa, London, Singapore, Sri Lanka and Australia. His longest stay was in South Africa where he spent 17 days to attend an ICC board meeting. Even though the ICC paid for his ticket, the board had to pay Rs4,23,045 for his accommodation.

    The PCB chairman attended the closing ceremony of the second edition of the Indian Premier League (IPL) on the IPL organisers’ invitation but his seven-day accommodation expenses in South Africa, costing Rs0.1 million, were taken care of by the cricket board.

    The board financed the chairman’s costliest (Rs1.2 million) hotel stay in Dubai and South Africa where he had attended the World Cup and the annual meeting of the ICC.

    Legislators were also informed that the PCB has spent Rs4.7 million and Rs3 million, respectively, on the international tours of Zakir Khan (director international cricket operations) and Subhan Ahmed (general manager international cricket).

    The board has also spent Rs0.5 million on Zakir Khan’s accommodation during his 19-day UAE stay in connection with the Pakistan and New Zealand series in Dubai.

    Zakir had traveled to India, Dubai, UK, Sri Lanka, Scotland, Abu Dhabi and Malaysia while Subhan had traveled to India, UK, UAE, Sri Lanka and Malaysia.

    The PCB has also spent Rs1.4 million on the foreign visits of former COO Wasim Bari.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 21, 2010 - 2:38 AM

    Oh yes, besides saying AWESOME five times in his supeech, Malak also said, “I am supeechless today” When was he able to Sapeek? I hardly remember a single incident when he is able to speak one sentence correctly. Even in Urdu when he was at Nadia Khan show he was muttering words under his teeth and kussmussao-ing and giggling like a girl. And, he even cried like a sissy.

    With a big Adam’s Apple in his throat which keeps floating like a frog in a jar and, with his snake eyes he keeps moving his neck like a girgit (lizard) he hardly ever articulates his words

  21. #21 by Mohammed Munir on February 21, 2010 - 9:33 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Wow a great article and it surely carries a lot of punch. It’s so typical of your own style of aggressiveness, in-your-face, fact based writing and it also provides good proofs. More like that old Limca advertisement which used to say, “Zor Ka Jathka … Zara Dheeray Say Luggay”.

    I haven’t seen the clips yet, but I shall check them out soon.

    About Malik, well this is what the cricinfo has to say about his “Awesome Kay Julaab”.

    Malik, for his part, used the word “awesome” on at least six separate occasions to sum up an innings (Razzaq’s) that ended Pakistan’s ignominious run of 10 defeats in a row, in all formats, that stretches back to their tour of New Zealand before Christmas.

    Abdul Razzaq was exceptional, simply EXCEPTIONAL.

    Umar Akmal and Fawad Alam also contributed well and specially Fawad supported him with smart, but in the end it was all Razzaq.

    I think, Razzaq, deserves a separate thread on LS.

    I would have loved to write about Razzaq in some details, but unfortunately I am rather tied up today, so some other time. But he really was “Awesome” 😆

  22. #22 by khansahab on February 21, 2010 - 12:16 PM

    Jang has reported that Pakastan is trying to get Micky Arthur as coach.

    On the one hand foreign coaches don’t understand Pakastani players’ psyche and there is a language barrier. On the other hand a Pakastani coach would succumb to team politics and would in fact nurture divisions, to further his own tenure and interests.

    A professional Indian coach could have been the answer but an Indian would perhaps never work for the PCB.

  23. #23 by Mohammed Munir on February 21, 2010 - 12:31 PM

    Khansahab …

    The answer to our coaching issue is … Dave Whatmore.

    He is English, born in Sri Lanka (I think), worked well with Asians, handled big-head Sri Lankans in his time (Arvinda, Ranatunga, etc.), coached Sri Lankan, Bangladesh, Indian (junior) teams and finally, at one time, he was dying to join Pakistan (when our stupid PCB went on and selected Lawson).

    I think, it was after the World Cup that he said he would like to join Pakistan, when he was still working with Bangladesh and they wanted to retain him, but after that Bangladesh dropped him and Pakistan also never selected him. So he finally went on to Indian juniors.

    He is a strong coach and knows well all about the Asian psche.

    This was a big mistake by PCB.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 21, 2010 - 1:37 PM


    I have already quoted that awesome diarrhea that Malik is suffering from yesterday after hearing his ‘awesome supeech.’

    You better watch that video clip before they pull it down, you know how good some people are in distorting the facts? 😀

    that is a proof that needs to be kept on record, if someone can copy it on their hard drive or a DVD or USB whatever must do that to preserve it.

  25. #25 by khansahab on February 21, 2010 - 2:39 PM

    I was watching Salman Khan’s interview following 26/11 and what he said was very bold considering the anti Pakistan sentiments in India at that time:

    “The Quran and Hadith nowhere advocate the killing of innocents”

    “Whoever follows the life of Rasool Allah (SAW) can never kill innocents”

    “We need to address the causes of terrorism and then we will eliminate terror- the causes are injustice, poverty and lack of education”

    “Terror attacks happen in Pakistan all the time. But they don’t blame Indians. So why do we blame them?”

    “How can we say we don’t know where terror is emerging from? There must be training camps. How can we not see them? Where do the terrorists get weapons from? Why don’t we think about these things instead of shifting the blame on Pakistan all the time”?

  26. #26 by khansahab on February 21, 2010 - 3:11 PM

    Raja to Younus: Change your behaviour

    Disapproving of Younus Khan’s manhandling of a spectator, former skipper Rameez Raja advised him to work on his attitude.

    Younus reportedly picked up a fight with a spectator and even dragged him into the dressing room during a Karachi Champions League match after being mobbed by the crowd.

    Raja said such things are expected to happen when you play in a local tournament, so senior players should avoid playing those.

    “Once Younus decided to play he should have been mentally prepared to face all types of situation because it is not uncommon in Pakistan for spectators to try to mob or pester players during matches at the club level,” he told reporters in Dubai.

    He said the images and stories about the incident were disappointing and not a good advertisement for the players or the sport.

    “It was not a pretty sight to see Younus forcibly dragging the young fellow into the dressing room. I don’t know why Younus reacted like this or what happened later in the dressing room but there is no doubt that Younus should have shown restraint and he seriously needs to change his attitude and behaviour,” the cricketer-turned commentator said.

    The media wasted no time in highlighting the incident in which Younus is accused of later beating the young man in the dressing room before he was rescued by former Pakistan captain and chief organiser, Rashid Latif.

    Laitf, however, denied that Younus hurt the young man.

    Rameez said Younus should make a comeback with a changed and positive attitude.

    “As it is, Pakistan cricket is going through tough times and we really don’t need such incidents at all specially involving a captain and senior like Younus,” he said.

    Psychologist Maqbool Babri, who counseled Pakistani cricketers in the recent past, said Younus’ reaction was a result of the frustration and anger he was feeling inside.

    “The incident shows how frustrated Younus is at the moment with his cricket career and as a person. He is a top class player and a very nice individual I know since I have had counseling sessions with him but the last few months have been tough on him,” he said.

    Babri said given the sort of problems Younus had faced in recent months, the Pakistan cricket team need to have a permanent sports psychologist.

    Younus stepped down as captain and withdrew from the national team in Abu Dhabi last November after reported problems with a group of players.

    He missed out on the Test series in New Zealand and Australia but played one-day series Down Under and flopped miserably.

  27. #27 by Mohammed Munir on February 21, 2010 - 5:17 PM

    Chockers will be Chockers will be CHOCKERS.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 21, 2010 - 5:24 PM

    Munir, but that was anybody’s game, you cannot expect from a 19 year old to win the match especially when he is a bowler still he scored 49 of 47 and Dale Steyn too hammered 3 sixes to give an exciting finish to this match. At this level it doesn’t matter who wins.

    Btw, there is an aikastura “C” in your Chokers 😀

  29. #29 by khansahab on February 21, 2010 - 6:34 PM

    For the T20 Cup Pakistan should play the following:

    Imran Nazir
    Mohd Hafeez
    Shahzaib Hasan
    K Akmal
    U Akmal

    The reason I have included Hafeez is because recently his batting form has been good, he is a good fielder and his bowling is better than Malik’s. Rana is only good for T20 and he can slog- he has a better T20 record than Asif. Otherwise I would never include these players in ODI or Tests.

    I don’t see the point of playing Malik because his bowling is poor, batting wise he is too slow and his fielding is OK, not brilliant.

    Everyone in the line-up can slog- Aamer and Gul are sloggers. Bowling wise, Afridi and Hafeez look after the spin department and Gul, Rana, Aamer and Razzaq can provide the pace. The only problem with this line up is that Rana and Razzaq are pathetic fielders. The Akmal brothers, Fawad and Razzaq can consolidate. The rest of the batsmen should play their natural game.

  30. #30 by 420 on February 21, 2010 - 10:00 PM

    i am glad i was not awake. i was a happy cricket loving person when i was a kid. i guess now i am more of a fanatic, so i better watch cricket on scorecard rather than the live streaming 😛

    cricinfo summarized it very well, saying both played sub par game

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 21, 2010 - 11:52 PM


    Hafeez is the reason why Pakistan lost the first T20 WC final. He dropped Rohit Sharma on the boundary line which resulted in a six. Otherwise, India were almost ALL out under 130, they went to score 158, Rohit and Irfan Pathan added those valuable 30 odd runs in the last 2 overs. I don’t approve Hafeez’s inclusion in the team. Rana is also a KHUDDA fielder he always drops important catches and fields badly when he is supposed to give only a single, he gives a boundary and starts looking at the ground or the lights / sun to blame. Whenever he was needed, he failed. Hence I don’t like a player who cannot deliver when you need him most. Players like, Miandad, Inzamam, Abdul Razzaq are dependable, even Kamran Akmal has done that a few times, but Hafeez, Rana, Malik, Imran Farhat, Salman Butt etc.? No way Jose.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 21, 2010 - 11:59 PM


    U r like one of my cousins, he is a big fan of NY Rangers and supports them like anything and he is so emotional and so paranoid that he never watch NY Rangers playing live. He tapes the match and when someone tells him NY Rangers have won, then he watches it, otherwise he deletes it. Paranoid is not the right word, the right word is not coming to my mind right now, but you know what I mean? ,

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 22, 2010 - 3:50 AM

    This video is worth watching. Not just because I am Canadian but, the ambiance, the setting, the perfect location for Canada’s Maelle Ricker (31) who got this gold medal in Snowboarding cross Olympics last week, beating her opponents (including world champion (19 years old) by miles.

    Maelle was almost disqualified in the first round and had to wait for the second round which was almost abandoned due to bad weather but, then the weather suddenly improved and she got a chance for the second round and qualified for the quarterfinals which she did well and so also in the semifinals, but watch this video of the finals where she was flying and flying and flying and was miles ahead of all of them. And, if you read her story you will be even more amazed to know that she had injuries, fractures, broken bones and A LOT OF DETERMINATION that earned her the gold medal.

  34. #34 by Mohammed Munir on February 22, 2010 - 6:07 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I agree with you that the game was for anyone’s taking and they both were so so close, but then again, doesn’t that just always happen when SA are playing ??

    Frankly speaking I feel sorry for SA, but they really are chockers (chokers) you see. This is exactly what happened to them in the second Test, I mean Amla played the innings of his life but I guess the luck was not on their side. Even in the ODI yesterday, they were nowhere near and then they came so close to a win, which was not to be.

    They needed 10 runs in last over (6 balls), and then they needed 7 runs to win of last 2 balls and it seemed they will do it. On the 5th ball of the over Langeveldt played a shot and it went close to boundary and Sachin “stopped” it (or so he thought). The batsmen scored 3 runs but there was a big DOUBT that while fielding Sachin dived and touched the boundary line. After umpteen numbers of TV replays and viewing it from several camera angles, the third umpire declared it as 3 runs and not a boundary. In the post-match comments at Neo TV Studio, Murali Kartik (Ex-Indian player) said that “in my opinion it was a four as Sachin touched the boundary line while diving”, but Sachin never said a word about that.

    Now after all this drama unfolded, SA needed 4 runs to win of the last ball of the 50th over with Parnell facing Praveen Kumar. Guess what, it was a wide delivery … and now the final equation was that they needed 3 runs to win and 2 to tie of the last ball of the match. Bad luck strikes again and they could score only one run and going for the second they got run-out. SA lost and Parnell got out at 49 missing his fifty and loosing the ODI with it.

    Now coming back to chokers, well I wrote that above comment from my Black-Berry and could not spell-check it before 😉

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 22, 2010 - 4:01 PM


    Tendulkar imo, should have declared it as a four. Like a batsman always knows when he nicks the ball into the keeper’s glove or in the slips the fielder also knows if he has touched the rope. And, the benefit of doubt always goes to the batsman. In that case it is a tie.

    As regards test, I agree that was SA who choked despite Amla’s heroics, they came so close to draw the match with rain gods on their side, still they choked. And, I think in this ODI, they should have played Alma since he is in such a great form. What was the need to add him in the squad after Smith’s injury and not play him? Especially since he is the batsman in form, the top test scorer on both sides, a century and double century maker, a not out player whose average is so high, his confidence is sky high and you not play him? He could have easily played in place of Petersen. As regards your ‘chockers‘ I was only pulling your leg, we all make spelling mistakes so don’t worry (be happy) but, as unlce sargam says, don’t worry we will go to murree, and sit on the grass haree, haree and eat chicken curry. 😀 Kullo Jo Kalna hai. ! *I dunno if you remember this?*

  36. #36 by newguy on February 22, 2010 - 6:10 PM

    Couple of comments on Ind-SA ODI.

    First, I took the ODI match very casually because after the two Tests which provided some great moments of achievements for both teams the ODI is not going to come anywhere close in excitement. Even with a last ball finish, it cannot match the excitement of Test match with 10 balls to go and one wicket between everything to be gained / lost for two teams.

    Second, I think the match was very one sided in India’s favor, I know no one would agree with me because it went to last ball, but I knew the minute India took 298 that SA will not chase it down. There are very few teams that can chase a 300 score in sub-continent, and all of those teams are Asian (SL, Pak, Ind). SA lost the match in the middle overs when Jadeja chocked the run flow. They came close because of fluke tail end hitting, they are never going to finish the match. If you all remember India had couple of matches like this against Australia where Harbhajan and Praveen did same thing as Steyn / Parnell but could not finish. Tail enders are always hitting out, sometimes they stick and go for six and they get close to the score, but it takes skill to find gaps and finish matches.

    Lastly, I disagree Sachin should have said anything about the suspect run, it is for 3rd umpire to decide, a man diving head first into the ground and in split second trying to save match may or may not know for sure, and it’s not his job to help the opposition win. SA lost the match long before all this.

    I agree with Javed Khan, they should play Amla. He is the man in form. Indians are known to leak runs in end overs in ODI. So it continues. They have proven even 300 is hard for them to defend. Luckily they have the batsmen to score a few runs. But seriously, they should fix this problem if they want to improve in ODIs.

  37. #37 by newguy on February 22, 2010 - 6:41 PM

    The reason I said it’s hard if not impossible for non-asian teams to chase 300 score in sub-continent is because of the inability to navigate middle overs operated by spinners. Asian teams play spinners well and know how to work the ball around without losing wickets. But non-asian teams like SA, Aus, and Eng, have no clue how to do this without losing wickets. So, 298 was good enough for SA, they had a few lucky blasts from Steyn when he connected the ball and neither of them at that point were trying to win the match, but when it got close they realized that now they have a chance, at this point it takes a good batsman to win game, not a tail ender.

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 23, 2010 - 3:10 AM


    “A mind can only see what it is prepared to see.”
    I am sure you understand what it means? Since you have decided in your mind and taken ODI very casually because, in your opinion the last 2 tests were so good then, there is nothing one can do about it. But, I do understand your point. khansahab thinks that T20 is a joke. That’s what he thinks and he is adamant about it. But, for me it is fun, it is entertainment and those who were not taking it seriously are now taking it seriously e.g. Australia.

    The second test went to the extent of one wicket and last two overs remaining is because of the fact that almost a whole day was lost due to bad light and rain. If there was no bad light and no rain the match would have ended on the 4th day and it was just a one sided affair like the first test. The thing is I have lost patience and find it very difficult to follow a test match for all 5 days especially when it is being aired at such an odd time for me that I spend watching it all night for 5 nights! Even when Pakistan is playing or, India and Pakistan are playing it is very difficult to stay up all night for 5 nights. I don’t mind doing that for ODI’s but, not for every country. Au contraire, I would love to see T20 (not IPL) and can stay up for both innings.

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 23, 2010 - 3:32 AM

    KIRKIT 😀 Aaj Di Taza Khabar aye hai

    Uppnay Malak Saab Farmanday ain……

    Afridi is best option for captaincy:

    Tuesday, February 23, 2010

    LAHORE: All-rounder Shoaib Malik, who captained Pakistan in the recent T20 International series against England in Dubai, has made it clear he does not harbour any ambitions of long term captaincy.

    “I enjoyed leading the team in last three T20 matches in Shahid Afridi’s absence but it is better he gets back to captaining the side in this format of the game,” Malik said. Malik, who remained captain between 2007 and 2009 before being replaced by Younis Khan last year, said Afridi was a better choice to lead the team.

    But he declined to comment when asked what would be his stance if he was pressed by the board to continue as captain in the T20 World Cup this year.

    Matlab ki baat kerta hai Diwana…… These are the pearls of wisdom SapoKen by Malak saab and where he was supposed to Sapeek, he kept quiet….

    Apnay Adam’s Apple ko Ooper Neechay ker kay baat Pee Gaya. 😀

  40. #40 by Mohammed Munir on February 23, 2010 - 4:17 AM

    Javed Khan …

    “Kalyaan”, it was. Yes sure, I remember Uncle Sargam, Maasi Museebati, and the hero Mr. Haiga.

    Although, I don’t remember that particular comment on Worry & Murree, but I remember ‘Kalyaan’ well. I also remember Chhuppan Chhupaai, Polka ice-cream, 7.30 am (before School) Cartoons on PV, Ninja Turtles, Captain Planet, Thundercats, knowing all our neighbours by names, Kite-Flyings, 3 Rs. for Pepsi, Jubilee & Mitchells (sweets), Joggers & PT Shoes, Pillow fights, Playing Kish & Kho kho, Rs. 5 as Eidee, decisions made on ‘eeny, meni, many, mo’, akar-bakar-baambay-bo, being afraid of dog-bites & injections, not going to lonely & dark places, Jin Bhoot storeys, Imran Digest, etc. etc. and oh yes, Pakistan winning World Cups of Cricket, Hockey, Squash and Snooker.

    Mujhay Yaad Hai Sub Zara Zara …

    Haiga Haiga, Zaroor Haiga 😉

    PS: Kasim Sahab will also know what I am talking about.

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 23, 2010 - 10:14 AM


    No, I don’t know all that baKaoz, I was out of the country then BUT, this haiga haiga I do remember and a few ads on PTV like Meeriums Ki Sariyaan and Philips ki patti fitting “toob-lite” and chamkeeli dhulayee kay liyeh Jet washing powder of Bho. Shareef.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 23, 2010 - 10:20 AM


    Last night I was talking about T20 that those who were not taking it seriously b4 are taking it now and I quoted the name of Australia. A few hours later the second T20 between Aus and WI is a proof of what I was saying. See how Australia is producing players for T20. Warner is an addition to the already big hitting guys like, Watson, Shaun Marsh, David Hussey, Haddin, Christian etc., and they have bowlers like, Tait to dominate. Warner smashed 67 of 29 balls with 7 Sixes and 5 fours which means 62 runs came from just 12 balls.

  43. #43 by newguy on February 23, 2010 - 1:54 PM

    Javed Khan,

    It’s not like I don’t enjoy ODI or T20, they have their place and moments. But I am an old fashioned guy, I need some space and time to savor and relish these things. There is just too much cricket back to back and too many formats floating around. Games are being played one after the other, sixes are hit at will by any Tom, Dick and Harry at will, so on ..

    I will enjoy a properly organized and conducted ODI or T20 tournament of international grade when there is a good build up and context to it.

    The current Ind-SA ODI, Aus-WI series, Pak-Eng series, NZ-Bang series are all lacking context in my opinion. Hence I don’t find them exciting. On the other hand I would have enjoyed a tournament with all these teams if there is time to build up excitement.

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 23, 2010 - 4:41 PM

    In my team for the T20 WC ahead, I will play the following team in this particular batting order:

    1. Kamran Akmal
    2. Shahid Afridi
    3. Umar Akmal
    4. Fawad Alam
    5. Abdul Razzaq
    6. Hammad Azam
    7. Shoaib Malik
    8. Umar Gul
    9. Mohammad Aamer
    10. Mohammad Asif
    11. Saeed Ajmal

    Reserves, Imran Nazir, Yasir Arafat, Sarfaraz Ahmad as a back up wicketkeeper.

    The big hitters needed to be played at the top to keep a good run rate and in case of a collapse there are still a few players like Fawad Alam, Abdul Razzaq and Hammad Azam to consolidate and accelerate. I am keeping Malik in the side because there is no other player who can fill in for him. Besides, it will be a wishful thinking from anyone to demand Malik’s ouster from this WC because, he is currently tipped to lead the team even if Afridi is playing. Although he himself has suggested to the media that Afridi should be the right choice, but denied the question what if the PCB insists him to lead? IMO, he will not say NO, he will lead and that will be a disaster.

  45. #45 by khansahab on February 23, 2010 - 8:28 PM

    I recommend EVERYONE to watch this clip. Listen at 8:30 when Waqar says, “You youngster beauty!”

    It is absolutely hilarious.

  46. #46 by khansahab on February 23, 2010 - 8:32 PM

    These are the players which PCB agreed on after a 2 hours meeting in Dubai. The meeting was attended by Chairman Ijaz Butt, manager Yawar Saeed, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik and temporary chief selector Mohammad Ilyas.

    1. Afridi (captain)
    2. Shoaib Malik
    3. Imran Nazir
    4. Imran Farhat
    5. Umar Akmal
    6. Abdul Razzaq
    7. Sarfraz Ahmad
    8. Kamran Akmal
    9. Rana Naveedul Hasan
    10. Hammad Azam
    11. Raza Hasan
    12. Umar Gul
    13. Saeed Ajmal
    14. Yasir Arafat
    15. Wahab Riaz
    16. Mohammad Talha
    17. Mohammad Hafeez
    18. Rao Iftikhar Anjum

    19. Amir Sajjad
    20. Mohammad Sami
    21. Faisal Iqbal

    22. Khurram Manzoor
    23. Mohammad Asif
    24. Nasir Jamshed
    25. Shahzaib Hasan
    26. Babar Azam
    27. Ahsan Ali
    28. Waqas Khan
    29. Sarmad Bhatti
    30. Usman Qadir

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 12:43 AM

    LOL @ you youngster beauty! ahahaha

    I didn’t see this match on TV so thanks for posting the link and Umar Akmal was really very impressive, he took Mendis and Malinga to the cleaners, straight hitting for six and fours with lotsa lotsa power. Btw, what was the result of this match?


    Is this the squad for T20 WC? Where did you get this news from? It is still not in the DAWN or The News or, cricinfo. Was it on Geo TV or ARY?

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 12:46 AM

    LOL @ Temper Worry Chief Selector Mohammad Ilyass, selecting his son-in-law !

    When is this nepotism going to end? I don’t see the name of FAWAD ALAM in the list of 30 probables, why?

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 12:50 AM

    Are they going to take any disciplinary action against Shoaib Malik?

    The last paragraph from this news says…….

    A source said that the two hearings have confirmed that there were some disciplinary issues in the team and a communication breakdown had occurred between the management and some senior players.

    “Some of those who appeared in the hearings did give credence to the allegations made by Yousuf that Shoaib Malik proved to be a difficult character to handle in Australia,” the source disclosed.

  50. #50 by 420 on February 24, 2010 - 1:04 AM

    not sure if you read it in the internet, there is no “south India” separatist movement 😛

  51. #51 by 420 on February 24, 2010 - 5:21 AM

    The tamil groups may only be found online, i guess. i lived 5 years there. never heard anything about them. at the max they may be ltte sympathisers, nothing more and not a single incident i can recollect!

    and about telangana(am from andhra pradesh), the demand is for separate state not for separate statehood or nation like kashmir,baloch. trust me, apart from TRS, none of those party names are heard even in local media 😛

    so, my point was south never really had any separatist movements.

  52. #52 by newguy on February 24, 2010 - 1:00 PM

    Sachin Tendulkar scored the first double hundred in ODI cricket against SA today. What a player!

  53. #53 by 420 on February 24, 2010 - 1:19 PM

    OMG, sachin has done it! cannot believe it still

  54. #54 by newguy on February 24, 2010 - 2:28 PM

    Hi Guys,

    Separatist thoughts exists everywhere in the world. There are and there will always be people who cannot get along with other people and they would want to have it their way. It’s not limited to sub-continents or Asia or anything, it’s everywhere. Here in United States we all know about the Civil War and the Southern states wanting to secede from the union. Even today there are separatist thoughts in South, specifically Texas where people think they are a different country. In Canada we know about Quebec and the French people wanting their own autonomy.

    In the end, it all comes down to how strong are those movements and how strong is the nation as a whole to withstand these thoughts and hold the nation together. In my opinion, India will remain a strong nation and will be able to hold together the country. In the long run who knows, we’ll all be dead in the long run anyway, and the world will change again for sure.

  55. #55 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 2:41 PM

    TENDULKAR has made history who can distort this? 😀

    Unlike other players who go berserk after making a 100, he played a normal cricket innings at a good run rate after his first hundred, no slog, no big hitting and he achieved the first target of 195 and surpassed it to an unassailable 200 not out.

    South Africa lost the match even before the played a single ball of their innings. Their whole strategy changed after Gibbs was out and Smith not in the team, they sent Van der Merwe to play big shots and that was a mistake because they were scoring at a decent pace especially Amla. I am watching the match live and right now they are 6 down for 103 its only a matter of time the match will be over and India winning with a BIG, BIG margin.

    What I didn’t like is the crowd behaviour. The Indians scored 400 plus and when the SA started their innings, on every boundary there was a total silence as if nothing happened and as soon as a wicket was down the stadium erupted with thunder. The crowd should have cheered the South Africans too. This is not fair, everyone in the world knows that SA are chokers – except for the one 443 chase against Australia – they have always choked and lost. And, not to cheer them on hitting boundaries and the lonely six is bad hospitality. Patriotism apni jaga, but sportsmanship is another and the spectators needs to learn this especially when the 2011 WC shall be held in India.

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 2:59 PM


    India will remain a strong nation as long as Pakistan exists and IF there is no Pakistan, India too shall be a divided country with may be one dozen independent states or countries. And, any nation can remain one nation as long as there is no foreign intervention. Do you think IF the big forces wants to divide India they will still defend and stay united? I don’t think so especially when there is no threat from Pakistan or there is no Pakistan.

    As regards change, did anyone ever think even in the early 80’s that the USSR will not remain a superpower like the USA? Now, the USSR is a different Russia. The Prestorika and the fall of Berlin Wall came almost at the same time in the year 1989 and who was behind that? Whatever happened economically, they were almost hollow from inside after a decade long war in Afghanistan which they were fighting against the US backed Mujahideen.

    Revolutions come once in a life time and they are from within and changes takes place like it happened in Iran from Shah to Khomeini. Like, in Afghanistan from Zahir Shah to Gulbadin Hikmatyar. Iraq was ruled by a dictator Saddam and he would have remained in power till his natural death like Gaddafi is in Libya. But, Iraq is finished and it will not be the same one country, because of the presence of the foreign forces, they will divide that country, like they divided Germany and they divided Bosnia (Yugoslavia).

  57. #57 by newguy on February 24, 2010 - 2:59 PM

    Javed Khan,

    On the crowd partiality, Indian crowds are very partisan, it is a well documented and noted fact. Especially in the northern parts of the country. In the south though, especially in Chennai the crowd is very fair and enjoys the game on both sides. No point complaining, they are unfair, who can change this except them?

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 3:01 PM


    The commentators must say this, the media must write about this and that is how people will change. Anyways, I was appalled at the crowd behaviour. Btw, Pakistan is also in the north but, the crowd in Karachi, Lahore, Multan and Peshawar they don’t behave like the north Indian crowd, why? 😀


    Tendulkar when he played for the first time in Peshawar and hit Abdul Qadir for a couple of sixes and scored a brisk 50 odd runs he was cheered by the crowd. They love aggressive batting and appreciate sixes and fours.

  59. #59 by khansahab on February 24, 2010 - 6:02 PM

    Doesn’t matter how flat the track is, I can’t believe someone like Steyn went for 89 runs from 10 overs.

    I don’t know what Tendulkar ate this morning. But then again if there was anyone who was capable of doing this, it was him.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 11:31 PM


    If the track was flat, it was for both the teams. The important thing is, Tendlukar was able to exploit it and so did, Dhoni and Pathan along with him. But, initially it was Dinesh Karthik who played superbly along with Tendulkar in a partnership of 194 runs that laid the foundation for a big score. Pathan came in and added a quickfire, another partnership of 81 in good time. Then Dhoni came and blasted it with Tendulkar. If a couple of SA batsmen had played like Tendulkar and Dinesh Karthik or supported AB Devillers they would have scored more than 248 added respectability to their total. Just like the Sri Lankans did last year when India posted 413 they came close and lost the match by 3 runs. SA did only once against Australia and that’s still a record to win a match chasing 443 runs.

    Tendulkar kept his cool and played cricketing shots, at one stage I thought Dhoni will not let him break that record or surpass 200 because he was going berserk but, this time Tendulkar did that in style, unlike the previous time when he remained not out on 186. And his appetite is not over yet, after winning the POM award he said, “I’d like to bat another full 50 overs.” Dhoni and Sir Viv Richards also remained not out in the 180’s. That Zimbabwean player could have scored 200 whereas he got stuck on 194, I dunno what went into his mind that he slowed down and lost that golden opportunity?

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 11:43 PM


    You have said, what most Indians say i.e., “My overall impression is that there has been ethnic cleansing in Kashmir for many years because of which the pundits in Kashnir who are Hindus were driven out and / or slayed. That has changed the demographics considerably.” Actually, this is what the Indian media has planted in the minds of an average Indian to believe.

    The Pundits doesn’t mean the religion pundit, the pundit in Hindi is a teacher. The Pundits or the teachers in Kashmir were and are the upper caste Brahmins, when they saw the uprising in Kashmir, they decided to move out of Kashmir and went down into UP, MP and other states of India and because they are educated and qualified they had no problem in getting jobs elsewhere and on top of that, they played the emotional card by saying, “We are homeless Kashmiris, driven out of Kashmir.” That is a big massive propaganda and Indian politicians used them to take advantage.

    Secondly, your point or your bottom line that you expressed with doubt by saying: “I don’t know if she and her family represent the sentiment of average Kashmiri if there is one” is once again the exact words the media propagates by singling her out as a crazy person. Arundhati Roy is not a crazy person. Supriya Roy Chowdhury is not a crazy person, I am sure you are not a crazy person too, therefore, use your judgment, don’t let it get influenced or get tainted by what the media propagates.

    Our blogger Varun who is hibernating these days had mentioned on this blog a year ago about how they Indian army created camps called Papa 1 and Papa 2 where more than 70 Muslim Kashmiri males were slain or killed.

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 24, 2010 - 11:56 PM

    On behalf of Mohammad Munir, I am copy pasting this info below, which represents THE TRUE DEMOCRACY IN THE DEMOCRATIC PAKISTAN AND HOW THE ELECTED MNA’s USE THE GOVT. MONEY:

    Salary & Govt. Concessions for a Member of NATIONAL ASSEMBLY (MNA)

    Ø Monthly Salary : Rs. 120,000 to 200,000
    Ø Expense for Constitution per month : Rs.100,000

    Ø Office expenditure per month : Rs.140,000
    Ø Traveling concession (Rs. 8 per km) : Rs.48,000 (For a visit to ISLAMABAD & return): 6000 km
    Ø Daily BETA during Assembly meets : Rs.500
    Ø Charge for 1st class (A/C) in train : Free (For any number of times all over PAKISTAN )
    Ø Charge for Business Class in flights: Free for 40 trips / year (With wife or P.A.)
    Ø Rent for Govt.. hostel any where: Free
    Ø Electricity costs at home : Free up to 50,000 units
    Ø Local phone call charge : Free up to 1,70,000 calls
    Ø TOTAL expense for a MNA per year : Rs. 32,000,000
    Ø TOTAL expense for 5 years : Rs. 1,60,000,000
    Ø For 534 MNA, the expense for 5 years :
    Rs. 85 , 440,000,000 (more than 800 Korores)

    And they are elected by THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN, through a democratic process of this world, not intruded into the assembly on their own or by any qualification.

    This is how all our tax money is been swallowed and price hike on our regular commodities…
    Think of the great democracy we have……………

    Munir did not say this but, I guess he is saying bring back Parvez Musharraf 😀

  63. #63 by 420 on February 25, 2010 - 12:45 AM

    //That is a big massive propaganda and Indian politicians used them to take advantage. //

    i have to differ on this. this issue was not pointed in a single election outside kashmir afaik. so according to you, ALL/most of the kashmiri pandits moved out because they got a job else where? i guess their jobs were taken away by LET professionals 😛

    //they played the emotional card by saying, “We are homeless Kashmiris, driven out of Kashmir.” //

    is this the same case with refugees from bangladesh (1971)too?

  64. #64 by 420 on February 25, 2010 - 12:47 AM

    //Arundhati Roy is not a crazy person. Supriya Roy Chowdhury is not a crazy person,/

    its all relative 😛 . mf hussain is balanced according to some, taslima and rushdie are intellects for some people.

  65. #65 by M. Y. Kasim on February 25, 2010 - 1:06 AM

    When the Arab sailors/traders came in contact with the people living around River Indus, they called that land “AL-SIND”. Anything further beyond east was named “Al-HIND” or HINDIA. That is how the British coined the word INDIA.

    It was never one country or nation. Different states and people inhibated it like Rajputana, Punjab, Bengal, Gujrat and the land later known as Oudh, Rohilkhand, Deccan etc.

    There is no tangible/credible proof about Ashoka’s Mahabharat etc. It is only a myth. The first serious attempt to conquer and incorporate the land below(south) was made by Sultan Allauddin Khiljee. He could only succeed upto Deccan. Later on the Moghuls, in particlar, Akbar the “Great” also had the same ambitions but could only advance upto Mysore.

    The people of the south has nothing in common with their northern neighbors except that they too are Idol-Worshippers. Their culture, language even faith differs enourmously as does the color of their skin and facial features. And as far as the word Hindu goes, it was much later adopted to identify their faith after the Arabian practice of calling the entire land east of AL-SIND as AL-HIND.

  66. #66 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 1:34 AM


    Yeah the same way one man’s freedom fight is another man’s terrorism. For the Israelis the Palestinians are terrorists and vice versa. For the Americans the Talibans and Al-Qaida are terrorists and vice versa. But, there is a difference between Arundhati and Taslima or Rushdie. Arundhati is not provoking or challenging Hinduism or Islam whereas, the other two are creating blasphemies and provoking Islam. Karen Armstrong only tried to show to the world that there is unnecessary Islamic phobia against the Muslims by the West. Also, the wearing of Hijab by Muslim women has been made a big issue whereas, not so long ago most orthodox Christian women used to wear head scarfs. The orthodox Jewish women had to shave her hair as soon as she gets married as per their religious practice but, they wear wigs when they go out. Which one might call it a very strange or ridiculous phenomenon because, hair is one of the most appealing thing that a woman has that makes her look more beautiful and that she wants to and have to cover it only for her Mehrams. Wearing a wig negates the whole idea. But, even the most orthodox Jewish people have accepted this notion as an alternative to wearing Hijab.

    Anyways, MF Hussain is a crazy old man simply wants attention to be recognized as a unique artist who walks bear feet and is madly in love with MADhouri Dixit. If you want to give an example, think of a person! 😀

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 1:48 AM

    Mr. M. Y. Kasim

    The name Al-Hind or its inhabitants Al-Hindi is also from the French that the English took and changed it. In French they call it “Inde” because they don’t pronounce the alphabet “H” it is from the French the British took it as INDIA a cross between the Arabic and French Pronunciation. Al Hindi & Le Inde = India. Also in Arabic when they mean to say …. The Indian they say Al Hindiya.

    The British borrowed many words from Arabic and French. For e.g.

    The word Naval ADMIRAL

    The word Admiral is short for Amir Al Bahr in Arabic or, the chief of Navy. (Bahr = Sea)

    The French find it difficult to say Amir Al Bahr and they used to say only Amir Al. And, later Amiral

    The British when they started using this word thought that the French forgot to add the alphabet “D” so they added D, hence it is aDmiral or Admiral.

    When the Arabs went to India they brought back a few fruits from there like, Mangoes, Guava, Bananas and Tamarind.

    Apart from Tamarind the rest were perishable and had to be thrown away. When people in Arabia asked them what is this? They replied, “Tamar min Hind” or Fruits from India

    The Indian name IMLEE was difficult for the Arabs to remember hence they called it simply as Tamar Hind.

    The French still call it Tamar-Inde or Tamarinde and the British removed the excessive use of vowels and the last E was removed and in English language it is Tamarind.

    There are many words and the origin of the word Camera came from the arabic word (AL QAMRA) which means: the dark room with a small window. This room was invented and used by the Muslim Arab scientist Bin Al-Haitham as he gave the first clear description and correct analysis of the (camera ( Al qamara or Al Camara). (Dark room) which is the basis of our modern Camera.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 2:58 AM

    Mr. M. Y. Kasim

    Talking about he myth of love stories like the one I have quoted above about, Quli Qutub Shah was in love with Bahagyawati, reminds me of the bigger myth about Akbar and Jodha Bai. If you read Akbar Nama by Abul Fazal you will notice that this name Jodha Bai or Jodha Akbar does not exist at all, it is just a creation by some Hindu Historians who wanted to show Akbar as a very liberal minded Moghul Emperor as opposed to the conservative orthodox Aurangzeb.

    There are so many sources that say that Akbar did not have just one Jodha Bai in his chamber. He had a number of ‘Jodha Bais’ by the hundreds. In fact according to the biography by Vincent Smith, Akbar enjoyed ‘a harem consisting of 5000 women, mostly Hindus’. (May be an exaggerated figure but it could probably be in hundreds, also not just Hindus but, Turkish and Armenians too). Given this many concubines and ‘Bais’ in his harem; countless ‘harem-zades’ or what people say HaramZada or a Bastard must have been born out of his ‘love stories’ and ‘romances’ with those all females on various occasions.

    Bollywood has been doing this for a long time purely for the entertainment of the masses i.e., creating love stories. The implication that Shahzada Salim or, Jahangir was born out of this romance is another myth or unverifiable allegation propagated in modern fantasy primarily, such as the earlier costume drama Mughal-e-Azam. In which the story of Anarkali has been distorted and presented to the masses out of proportion.

    Real Akbar loved this ‘Jodha Bai’ so much that far from building any Taj Mahal, any school, any building whatsoever for her, he did not even mention the woman any where in any of his works or Akbarnama by Abul Fazal. Nor does Mr. Salim in his autobiography hint anywhere that his female parentage was not Muslim he did not even mention that she existed. Because most likely that was not the case. Most likely, the so called Jodha Bai’s off-springs were just wandering around the harems also like her.

    There is another tale that there was an Armenian woman called Joda pronounced as Yoda and she was one of the concubines of Akbar and because she was different from others Akbar used to pay more attention to her beauty. And, because she was not a Muslim woman, she was flanked by other Indian concubines and was also called a “Bai“. Even today a Bai in India is generally referred to as an elderly woman who run brothels.

  69. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 3:10 AM


    If you read the Mogul History of India written by Hindu Historians, on one side they say that Akbar was very brutal Muslim emperor and he killed and massacred 30,000 Indian Hindu Rajputs when they refused to embrace Islam. On the other side they say that he was such a liberal minded person that he accommodated Hindus in his court as Ministers and Advisers (Raja Birbal is one such person) then, they also say that Akbar was not orthodox Muslim he married Jodha Bai and let her practice her own religion. He was interested in various religions that he created an “Ibaadat-Khana” or a worship room in Fatehpur Sikri and even created a moderate religion called “Deen-e-Ilahi.” Because, he believed that Islam is very strict, rigid, conservative and orthodox.

    So, which one of these allegations & compliments are true? Why is there such a disparity in their reporting? It means that facts have been distorted and that is exactly the reason they cannot equate the two together as, 2+2= 4 instead it is 2+2=5.

  70. #70 by Varun Suri on February 25, 2010 - 3:35 AM

    M. Y. Kasim :
    When the Arab sailors/traders came in contact with the people living around River Indus, they called that land “AL-SIND”. Anything further beyond east was named “Al-HIND” or HINDIA. That is how the British coined the word INDIA.
    It was never one country or nation. Different states and people inhibated it like Rajputana, Punjab, Bengal, Gujrat and the land later known as Oudh, Rohilkhand, Deccan etc.
    There is no tangible/credible proof about Ashoka’s Mahabharat etc. It is only a myth. The first serious attempt to conquer and incorporate the land below(south) was made by Sultan Allauddin Khiljee. He could only succeed upto Deccan. Later on the Moghuls, in particlar, Akbar the “Great” also had the same ambitions but could only advance upto Mysore.
    The people of the south has nothing in common with their northern neighbors except that they too are Idol-Worshippers. Their culture, language even faith differs enourmously as does the color of their skin and facial features. And as far as the word Hindu goes, it was much later adopted to identify their faith after the Arabian practice of calling the entire land east of AL-SIND as AL-HIND.

    With all due respect to you Mr M.Y. Kasim Sir,

    By reading your comment it gave me the feeling that you are still living in the 19th Century and I had such a strong urge to clarify some of the things you mentioned that I had to come out of my self-imposed hibernation🙂

    Whatever you have mentioned about the etymology of the word “India” or “Hindu” is absolutely true.
    But you have very easily divided north and south India in just one sentence. Apart from Idol-Worshipping if you dig deeper you will realise that ultimately they are all worshipping the Idols of the same God and hence the same religion. Moreover all the four south Indian languages :- Tamil, Malayalam, Telegu and Kannada are derived from Sanskrit the same language from which the Northern Indian Languages such as Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati and Marathi originate from so how could you miss the obvious link? Every year thousands of Pilgrims from the North visit the sacred temples of the South and vice-versa. Languages might be different but on important events such as Weddings the Priest usually conducts the ceremony in Sanskrit only unless there is a preference for the local language. One should not forget the Muslims who also maintain a common link between the north and the south as they make up a sizeable portion in all the important and big states. But it’s a pity that many Pakistanis view India as a country of Hindus only and somehow forgets the 160 plus Muslims of India as was done by Sohail Tanvir in the

    following video: pay special attention from 4:21 to 4:23
    when he says that “Hinduo ki zehniyat hi aisi hai”

    By Ashok’s Mahabaharata are you referring to the Great Epic of Mahabharata or the Great Battle Ashoka fought after which he became a Buddhist and spent his whole life spreading Buddhism.
    Because certainly there is ample proof about Ashoka’s existence, I am not so sure about the Great Epic Mahabharata.
    Anyways, what matters is the present and I assure you Sir, North and the South could never be so closely bonded as they are now and there is only one way forward for this relationship to go. Just recently I was in Chennai and I met a Sardarji talking in Tamil although funny but it is something which is not a rare sight in India anymore. Since the 80 and the 90’s not only because of the Economic and Political interdependence but now because of people-to-people interaction the bonds are only increasing day by day.

    Hi to Javed, khansahab, Omer and Munir and 420 and newguy…more latersss..

  71. #71 by Mohammed Munir on February 25, 2010 - 10:02 AM

    Javed Khan …

    @ Comment no. 88 …

    And we are only talking about the legal and rightful remunerations yet.

    Add to this some commissions, bribes, loots, kickbacks, booty, unpaid taxes and charges, special funds, donations, Zakats, aid, etc. etc.

    We may easily go into the range of 100 crore per MNA.

    I say … bring back Musharraf, but where is he first? 😀

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 2:29 PM


    Your question was answered but, it seems you have not read it. His house in London was not far from Awas’s house and he is there. He travels a lot giving lectures, in the last quarter of 2009 he gave about 17 lectures in North America, follow him like he is a leader and you will know 😀 where he is.

    But, now for sure you know how corrupt these MNA’s are? And why they spend crores of rupees to get elected? For them it is an investment.

    And, do you mind if I post that Adolph Hitler link here? It is hilarious especially the line on Wasim Akram. Whoever subtitled that video had similar thoughts like mine when he mentioned about Wasim Akram ! 😀

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 2:31 PM


    Welcome back, jab hum nay tumko PROVOKA tabhee tumharee cheeq nikli, 😀 where are you now? Holland may ya abhe India may koi larki ki talaash hai? Since all your friends got married and you are the one left so come on here and spend some time on the blog like a good old boy! 😀


    On Sohail Tanvir, I did not hear what he said on TV but khansahab told me that he did. You must have noticed that I have been telling since I saw his last TV interview when he got the purple hat for taking highest wickets in the IPL in which he sounded so arrogant and so snooty and like an uncouth Paidoo he said, “Meri worth ka say kam Ek Million ki hai.” Iss BC kay bucchay say koi poochay WORTH ka matlab batao tou yae apni baghlain jhankay ga. Then he played against Sri Lanka and gave away 43 runs in 3 overs and he did that again and in one ODI he was hammered for 70 plus runs hence he was dropped and I am glad that they dropped him. Too much of praising went into his head and that comment on youtube he spoke from his rear.

    Iss saalay ki zehniyat aisi hai kay if they call him with an offer, he will run wagging his tail and will lick Modi’s ass.

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 4:41 PM

    newguy; 420 and Varun

    Here is a copy paste from Pakistan’s leading English Daily DAWN. Hafsa Adil is a female sports writer for Dawn. She has expressed her true feelings about records. Please read what she has written about Tendulkar’s 200

    Varun and I have discussed this record thing before and he asked me ‘weren’t you a bit scared that Saeed Anwar’s record was in danger?’ Hafsa admitted that she felt it was in danger. I am not going to sugar my words, I will speak the truth. I never consider any record in danger. I would really be happy to see if a great innings is played fairly without any chance and a new record is created. Cricket is for entertainment. I enjoy watching Sehwag, Chris Gayle, Kevin Pietersen and playing big shots as much as Shahid Afridi or Abdul Razzaq. It is also natural for one to support your team and your players. But, I don’t spare anyone here when they fail or consistently fail or do some mischief or play dirty politics politics.

    She is right, I was mad at Dhoni when he was jeopardizing Tendulkar’s effort in surpassing the record for a 200. I think when Dhoni remained not out at 186 or 184 whatever, it was because of Youvraj Singh, who wasn’t being any considerate in allowing Dhoni to bat, rather he himself was hitting big just like Dhoni did now. Anyways, all is well that ends well, Tendulkar has achieved both milestones and we all congratulate him for this great achievement. And, Varun you never read that thread on Tendulkar that I wrote!

    It’s hard being a man
    Congrats, Sachin!
    Posted by Hafsa on 02 25th, 2010

    Congrats, Sachin!

    When Charles Coventry was hovering in the 180s against Bangladesh, I voiced my fear that Saeed Anwar’s record seemed in danger of being broken. In response, a friend said, “Bah! Don’t get too attached to records, it’s a sign of mediocrity.” While it was some consolation that Coventry didn’t actually break the record – he equalled it – the gloss was still removed from that proud feeling that my countryman held the world record for the highest individual ODI score. That too, one of the finest left-handed batsmen of his time, and there’s no hiding the fact that his feat was made extra-special owing to the fact that he scored the runs against India.

    Once again, as Sachin Tendulkar reached 150 against South Africa, my fellow sports fan at and I gave each other nervous, knowing looks. He said that whenever Tendulkar reaches 150 (he has done it on no less than three previous occasions!), he starts getting anxious.

    We stopped working when Tendulkar got to 160 and started calling and texting friends to inform them that Saeed bhai’s record was under threat from the master-blaster. And as he reached 180, with almost eight overs to spare, we had resigned ourselves to the fact that Tendulkar was on his way to another record.

    So when he did it, there was nothing left to do but stand up and applaud the monstrous effort. I mean, if there is anyone who deserves to hold the record, it’s Tendulkar. I’d rather have Tendulkar break Anwar’s record than any other batsman, especially if that batsman is an Indian. How would I have felt, for example, if Sourav Ganguly had done it? (Apologies to Indian fans, but that guy was really annoying). Or, for that matter, would my feelings have been as bittersweet if Coventry had actually broken the record?

    The fact that Tendulkar smashed his way past Anwar’s grand total against a highly respected South African side – albeit on a cemented Gwalior pitch where the Protean bowlers averaged eight short-pitched deliveries per over – made the accomplishment even more commendable. I even found myself getting mad at M.S. Dhoni for taking most of the strike after Tendulkar had crossed 194, reducing his chances of making a double ton. Who makes 200 runs in an ODI, anyway?

    Watching Tendulkar break Anwar’s record was surreal. It was also heartbreaking at times. But most of all, it was fantastic! Really, Sachin ala re bhaiya!

    Hafsa Adil is a sports writer for

    The views expressed in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 4:48 PM

    The reason Gavaskar sponsors Tendulkar is whatever he (Gavaskar) could not achieve in his life, Tendulkar is achieving that. Initially when Tendulkar started playing cricket a lot of people started saying he is a new Gavaskar in the making and Gavaskar took note of him after he has created some records and thereafter he has been praising him in other words reliving a life in Tendulkar’s body. 😀

    That is so foolish to imagine because, there is a big difference between the two (both are from Mumbai, both are KAR in the end) Gavaskar’s shot selection is very different from Tendulkar. After Tendulkar has scored this 200 not out in 50 overs he expressed the desire of playing another full 50 overs. If one reckons Gavaskar, during one of the ODI World Cups when it was a 60 over innings, opened the innings, played all 60 overs and remained not out on 36 Howwwwwwzzzz That? 😀

  76. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 25, 2010 - 9:28 PM

    Courtesy of Mohammad Munir, I am posting this video link here, it is hilarious especially Hitler’s comment about Wasim Akram, I enjoyed it. 😀

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 12:24 AM

    When the West Indies team arrived in Australia after the Pakistan tour, Chris Gayle said, we will win 4-1 in the 5 ODI series. They did not win a single match. The irony is Chris Gayle was dismissed by Doug Bollinger six times in seven games in Australia (including the test matches that were played prior to Pakistan’s arrival in Australia). I don’t understand why Captains make such statements prior to matches? And, can’t they assess their own strength playing against one of the best sides in the world and that too in their own backyard?

  78. #78 by Varun Suri on February 26, 2010 - 12:27 AM

    Ja, Herr Javed, Das ist ein sehr schoen video!!

    I specially liked the comment on Mohammed Kaif and Rana Naved!!!

    On a different note, Why are you so upset that nobody commented on Prabhakar’s scam when all hell broke loose when Afridi did the same? You have compared a player like Afridi to a CH2So4 like Prabhakar who was made to bowl offspin by Jayasuriya and ultimately retire, he only came back in the news when he tried to bring in Kapil Dev’s name for match-fixing. The simple answer is nobody cares about what Prabhakar did that time maybe the Video technology was not that good so as to bring it into everyone’s notice while what Afridi did was during primetime TV!!

    You can give examples of Sachin and Dravid to prove your argument but in their long career they have done enough to be considered as the Holy Cows by the majority of the Cricket community and just one minor incident against both of them will not be enough to spoil all those years of good work. While Afridi has not done it the first time, the first incident of his against England when he was caught by K.Petersen did not do much to enhance his reputation as well, all this besides the usual Maa-Behen sometimes he was involved in. So it is but natural that there will be all this hoo-haa when someone like Afridi bites the ball as compared to the Black ‘n’ White Prabhakar.

    Moreover in defending the allegation by Sandhu, that Imran Khan taught the art of Ball Tampering to the World you say that Prabhakar was already doing it and Sandhu should have been aware of it as far as I know Imran Khan started playing and ‘reverse swinging’ the ball when Prabhakar was maybe in his nappies or maybe a 10 year old boy so while Imran Khan made his debut in 1971, Prabhakar only came into the scene maybe 20 Years later!! So your argument does not make much sense here.

    More later..

  79. #79 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 12:46 AM


    Its not a matter of Prabhakar vs. Afridi. It is also not a matter of India vs. Pakistan. Its a matter of how good the media propaganda is when it comes to badmouthing against Pakistan. And, mind you that video was not invented or discovered by Pakistanis but, Indians. The guy who made the effort in taking clips from the match and in making a video and uploaded it on youtube is an Indian guy and he was in the end saying, “Afridi is right, they all do it.” Now, that the cat is out of the bag how come people take it so easy and say Prabhakar is a Ch2So4 or a Bh2Bm3. Btw, youtube is not the media, its an individual thing that people post/upload personal videos there, so please don’t say it is the media.

    Afridi’s Maa Bahen uttering on that video against Gambhir is a dubbing. Like Batman and Spiderman in Punjabi. And, if you think he really does then Gambhir is way ahead of him and so is Ashish Nehra and Harbhajan Singh.

    And LOL at your perception of Dravid’s rubbing a hard lozenges on the ball to tamper it and you think that in their long gentlemanly career if such a minor incident has happened it is OK and one must pardon and ignore it. He too was punished 50% of his match fee. And, Tendulkar like I have said, he is not a celebrity but an icon, a deity and a god so even if he had pulled the seam off the ball with his hand or a with a knife or a sword, it is fine. 😉 But, remember he too was fined 75% of his match fee and 2 match ban apparently for removing grass from the ball 😀

    We are naive, we are very naive people, we don’t understand these things so easily. I wonder where we were when Prabhakar bit the ball and Dravid rubbed hard lozenges to scrape the ball and when Tendulkar gently picked up the grass from the ball with his soft fingers? Shayed hum uss time ghaas khaanay gaye thayy! 😀 Chorro Yar, mitti pao. Lets talk about the T20 WC.

    Btw, tonight is Australia NZ first T20 starting in about 5 hours and 18 minutes from now.

  80. #80 by newguy on February 26, 2010 - 5:06 AM

    Javed Khan,

    I don’t understand why you are so upset about this ball thingy – Afridi is the one who got caught, he was stupid enough to do it and stupid enough to be caught. So what if 100 others have done it, that doesn’t justify it. I guess you think this is all a conspiracy against Pakistanis?

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 5:34 AM

    LOL newguy

    I am not upset, I am only highlighting how the media focus anything that’s wrong or bad done by Pakistan or Pakistanis and publicize it so widely and make them look the crooked, meanest, cheaters not to mention fundoz, terrorists etc. etc. And how conveniently they ignore others. And, India is always in the goody goody list, their players, leaders and even their extremists are portrayed as Angels. Just because Prabhakar did that 20 years ago and went unpunished doesn’t mean we cannot discuss it? If that is the case we should not discuss history or even yesterday’s events because past is past lets only talk about future! RightO? 😀


    If you look at Prabhakar’s profile they have mentioned about his match fixing “scandal” as if it was not real but just a scandal? And he was banned, why would anyone ban if it is just a scandal? Secondly, I remember his pathetic bowling against SL in the 1995-96 WC when he was thrashed for 33 in 2 overs, he started bowling “off-spin” for the next 2 overs and was removed he gave away 47 in 4 overs, which is not so uncommon today in T20 because Shoaib Actor and Ch2So4 Tanvir were also hammered for 43 in 3 overs. But, in those days in ODI’s giving away 47 in 4 overs was “kirmi-null”

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 6:01 AM

    Bollywood = Bombay ……… now it should be Mummywood because it is Mumbai

    Lollywood = Lahore and La’hore; La’hore aye! 😉

    Tollywood = Telugu Desam Film Industry call themselves Tollywood
    Mollywood = Malayalam Film Industry ……. should have been MullooWood 😉

    I like to see Rajni Kant movies more than Amitabhbachan movies.

  83. #83 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 6:09 AM

    LOL Omer

    Canadian larkioyn nay tumharay USA ko Hara diya! what a shame.

    Btw, I must say that the Canadian hockey girls were much better looking than the US hockey girls. Even in figure skating, Johannie Rochette the bronze medalist is far more better looking than the American Rachael Flatt, she looked like a flat tire at number 6 position. 😀

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 6:14 AM

    Yeah, Hindustan Unilever makes this cream and I heard that they make billions of rupees and employ thousands of people in manufacturing this cream for the poor people who want to become fair! What a scam? LOL

  85. #85 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 6:22 AM

    Talking about Hindustan Unilever or the old time Lever Brothers who came to India to market their goods, one of the ads that was popular on TV and Radio was that of a red soap called “Life Buoy” and the song was:

    Life Bai say nahana Rozana.…….. something something

    Aur haan there was another LUX soap for females, another scam to make women fair. The moment you wash your face with soap you are fair! Wah, Lux kya scene hai. 😀

    In India there was a DALDA generation and in Pakistan it was Tullo…. amma tullo may pakao humko sehatmand banao…….. imagine hydrogenated soya bean oil aur sehatmand banao?

    Then there is this PEPSI generation, always hyper on pepsi.

  86. #86 by salman on February 26, 2010 - 11:08 AM

    Salaam everybody,

    I have my exams in a week. So I do not even know what the latest input in this blog is all about. I do have 1 hr of relaxation time everyday, and in that time I somehow clicked on to Karan Thapar’s interview of Jaswant Singh (Indian’s ex- foreign, defence & finance minister) about MA Jinnah. I found it fascinating. Mainly, because the view point of the interviewee was/is suppose to be antagonistic to the philosophy of the person in question. If any of you guys have time, watch it. Thapar is an asshole, so disregard his narcissistic rants. Focus on Singh.

  87. #87 by salman on February 26, 2010 - 11:10 AM

    The interview is on youtube

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 4:58 PM

    Children over exposed to sexual imagery because of the Internet – BBC

    BBC has recently launched a campaign against the ever increasing child pornography and sexual imagery:

    “Frank Furedi, professor of sociology at Kent University, said society as a whole and adults were to blame. He said: “The whole of society is hypersexualised – sex becomes the common currency through which adults make their way in the world and continually send a signal to children that sex is all that matters.” There needs to be some control at home and a limit to this ever increasing casual and open discussions about sex and, sex is the only thing in the world.

    There is one more AD ON TV these days that I detest it is about DOLLARS FOR GOLD. The man yelling at a high pitch voice asking people to bring their gold jewelery and gold watches and all that is lying in their closets and drawers and get instant cash and bloody blah………

    These Thugs are taking at least 2-3 minutes of prime time on TV ads whereas most ads are only 20 seconds long. They are not only fooling the masses, but also encouraging homeless, jobless, druggies and junkies to steal gold and get cash for drugs. Shouldn’t they be advertising DRUGS FOR GOLD? According to reports crime rate in the UK and North America has gone up since these ads have started to appear on TV with such monstrosity and boldness. All the TV corporations must BAN these ads with immediate effect.

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 5:12 PM


    I dunno from where you got that list of 30 probables for the T20 WC in which Fawad Alam’s name was missing. Here is the list which excludes Shoaib Actor and Sohail Tanvir. Very rightly so.

    Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat, Khalid Latif, Mohammad Hafeez, Salman Butt, Shahzaib Hassan, Shoaib Malik, Umar Akmal, Naveed Yasin, Hasan Raza, Kamran Younis, Misbah-ul-Haq, Babar Azam, Fawad Alam, Abdul Razzaq, Shahid Afridi, Yasir Arafat, Hammad Azam, Rana Naved-ul-Hasan, Umar Gul, Mohammad Aamer, Mohammad Asif, Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Sami, Saeed Ajmal, Raza Hasan, Abdul Rehman, Kamran Akmal, Sarfraz Ahmed, Zulqarnain Haider

    I don’t know all of them but, those whose names I have highlighted should not be in the squad in any form of the game.

  90. #90 by amir on February 26, 2010 - 8:43 PM

    hey guys here is a new low for pakistan cricket icc had handed over a dosier to pcb which contain proof against 2 players who were invovled in match fixing. According to THE NEWS one player is KAMRAN AKMAL. Pcb dropped him 4 dubai T20 cause of these alegations. But in a press conference mr.butthead first aknowledged then denied that any member of the current team is mentioned in dosier instead he said that the dosier is about the old players.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 26, 2010 - 8:48 PM


    yes, I have read that news on cricinfo in which no names have been mentioned reportedly from unconfirmed sources it is Kamran Akmal but, the other name is not mentioned. It could only be a rumour, I doubt it is about money. Akmal’s form was pathetic and that is the reason he dropped catches and missed stumping chances.

  92. #92 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 2:56 AM

    NO Omer Marijuana is not the cause for sour relations its because they got defeated in hockey by the Canadian girls 😉

    Come on Omer pls. the genuine reasons for this is America’s dual policy on NAFTA and for breaking the rules and for imposing undue restrictions on the import of timber and levying taxes and duties. Also on buying the Canadian Oil from Alberta and Electricity from Quebec………. find out for yourself and you will know what I am talking about.

    They keep talking to us like Big Brother and dictating terms and, patrolling the borders as if their whole borders are threatened by the terrorists who cross the borders from Canada into America. They can fool their own people based on one or two remote cases and keep creating fear among their own people. Watch Fahrenheit 411 and you will know.

    As regards the legal age for consumption of alcohol which is 18 in Canada and 21 in the USA, the Canadians are more sensible, they don’t get drunk like a skunk even when they are younger than their American colleagues. The first thing they ask anyone is, ‘WHERE IS THE LIQUOR STORE?’ They get drunk the very first night they arrive obviously then they are not in senses to go and see or enjoy the city. They either get drunk in the hotel rooms or in bars or caught driving drunk. 😀

  93. #93 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 3:04 AM


    Why don’t you Google yourself and check the population of Montreal? Officially it was 3,814,700, unofficially it is 4.2 million. That is normal for every country or city that the population as per census is less than the actual population.

    As regards Boston

    Boston alone has a population of 609,023 as of 2008 census. The greater Boston area population is as follows:

    Boston 609,023
    Cambridge 105,596
    Lowell 103,615
    Brockton 93,007
    Quincy 92,339
    Lynn 86,957
    Nashua 86,576
    Newton 82,139
    Somerville 75,662
    Lawrence 70,014

    Total 1.4 million population. Check Wiki. Here is the link:

  94. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 3:08 AM

    Here is a table of world’s largest populated cities:

    Your NYC is 13th number

    Mumbai is 2nd
    Karachi is 3rd
    Shanghai is 1st (barely a little more than Mumbai)

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 3:35 AM

    If you look at the worlds most densely populated cities list that I have posted, Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata are the most densely populated cities in the world. I have been to all these cities, including the others such as, Karachi, NYC, London, Istanbul, Moscow, Beijing etc. which are in that list, to be very honest with you I don’t like to live in that kinda hustle and bustle with such huge traffic jams. Au contraire, I also don’t like to live in small cities or towns. For me, after seeing hundreds of cities in the world, Montreal appeals the most because it is not small and it is not big, it is very special as newguy said. It has almost everything one needs. The winter is severe but once you start living here you get used to and YOU ARE WRONG about dark gloomy days, we have more sunny days here even in January and February as opposed to Seattle, Vancouver and other North American cities. When it snows it snows but, otherwise we have nice sunny days. I can’t say anything about some desi people wearing jackets even in summer except for laughing. Yes, some of my friends from Dubai came in August when the temp was +26C and we were sitting outdoors and he asked for a jacket. 😀

    When it is -30C and it gets warm towards -5C most people come out on the streets for a cigarette break in t-shirts or normal shirts ….. its all relevant. You get acclimatize very soon. When I came here for my first winter, I used to wear gloves in September now, if I have to go in a car I hardly wear them but, if I have to stay outdoors for more than 15 minutes then in Jan & Feb. I do.

    In Dubai, during June July if you park your car out in the sun, you cannot touch the car steering wheel, first you have to keep the doors open for 4-5 minutes and then start the AC and leave it on for a while and then get in, even by the time you reach your destination (10-15 minutes) the car is still warm. But, people get used to. Even a tiny grocery shop is air-conditioned so no one complains about the heat. Its a matter of time you get used to. So, please don’t ditch us for being a cold city. Yes, the country is cold but, the people are warm and they do a lot of outdoor sports during winter. 😀

  96. #96 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 3:43 AM


    Your views are more balanced and matured. Omer tou phir Omer hai na? Jab yae Omer Rasida ho jaiga tab samjhay ga. (Omer Rasida means aged and matured)

    newguy when was your last visit to Montreal?

    Oh, Omer btw, Crescent street is not just one street that is like that, we have St. Denis which is in the Latin Quarters it has hundreds of Italian restaurants and there is a little Italy there. Then we have another street full of clubs and that is St. Laurent Street and not to mention the old and beautiful Old Montreal. The Mexicans Mariachis are playing live band, the Irish and Scots are playing their pipe bands wearing traditional costumes, you came to Montreal with some Paindoo guys and went to JT the hub of desi refugees 😀 and ate food in those restaurants. 😉

  97. #97 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 3:51 AM

    Omer Admani

    Think of this……….

    The area of the former USSR is 22,402,200 km2 it had 13 time zones. Should they decide to stay in their own country, because they have everything?

    The area of Canada is 9,976,140 Km2 which is the second largest country in the world area wise, should they decide to live in their own country and not bother about going out and seeing the world?

    The area of USA is 9,826,675 km2 ………….. They decide to live in their own fools paradise and want to conquer the whole world ! 😀 There is certainly nothing wrong in this ! 😀

  98. #98 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 4:09 AM

    I have answered to your question about area and that is why I quoted the area of the former USSR which has Siberian Desert. If you are talking about learning something you can still learn by going to these places and if you are talking about entertainment that is another matter. The USA for its population is not a very densely populated country. There are empty and barren lands in Nevada and Texas and the forest area of YS parks, etc. How many places did you go? And, how many places the Americans go? Some of them don’t leave their state, the stay all their life in one state.

  99. #99 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 4:54 AM

    As regards smartest people coming to the USA to learn. There is no dearth in this field, we believe in Going As Far As China to acquire knowledge 😀

    For your information, The Royal Victoria Hospital at McGill University campus is regarded as the best in the world for two faculties:

    In Vitro Fertility

    Even the Americans come to study or work in these two faculties to specialize in their fields.

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 4:56 AM

    OK Omer

    Go and have some rest, you have one of the longest debates on LS avec moi 😉 it is almost midnight and I have to prepare my RRSPs so good night.

  101. #101 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 2:42 PM


    are you in Reston VA? Which is very close to the Capital. During Christmas I was in Reston for a couple of nights and it seems to be a nice little place with all the hi-tec companies having their offices there. Btw, you guys have received a lot of snow this season? It appears that all that crap that we used to get between Christmas and St. Valentines Day dropped earlier on the way! 😀

    This is one of the mildest February winters that I have experienced here, with temp remaining between +3C to -6C and no snow ( may be a few inches once in a while ) normally it is between -20C to -35C and snow not inches but in feet.

  102. #102 by newguy on February 27, 2010 - 4:48 PM


    I am in Vienna, VA, which is actually pretty close to Reston, but more closer to the Capital, about 12 miles. Reston is a neat little place as you said, and so is Vienna, Falls Church, Tysons Corner, all of which are around the DC Capital Beltway. We have a healthy economy here because of unique mixture of high tech companies and government contracting jobs, and of course the government jobs in DC.

    We got it very bad this winter, had a 30 inch snow storm couple of weeks back, followed by several inches more couple of days before and after. Temperatures are what you would call moderate, around the freezing range to few below. This year, ironically, Canada winter and snow fall was milder compared to ours. This is like once in 10 year snow fall for us. Usually we get 3 to 4 inches of snow a few times during winter and that is about it.

  103. #103 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 27, 2010 - 7:07 PM


    Yeah I could see the quality of buildings and roads in Reston as compared to NJ and its Garden State Pkwy, which is so old and dilapidated and, we were on GS Pkwy during rush hour and got stuck for more than 2 hours to cover that 45 km stretch. Reston is indeed a neat place I kinda liked it. Lets move on from here to the new thread about match fixing and the appointment of more match fixers in the system i.e., Ijaz Ahmad and Wasim Akram.

  104. #104 by newguy on February 28, 2010 - 2:03 PM

    Javed Khan,

    New Jersey is probably the worst state in the entire USA. Bad roads, old buildings, poor public facilities, so on. It’s an industrial wasteland where pharmaceutical companies dump all of their waste. I really can’t think of many good things except for Princeton, NJ, just about in and around the Princeton campus. NJ also incidentally has a large desi population, Edison, NJ, where people behave like they are in Mumbai or Karachi 🙂

  105. #105 by JAVED A. KHAN on February 28, 2010 - 4:42 PM


    Exactly NJ is pretty rundown state. That is why immediately after that, when we reached Reston there was a kinda big contrast and it looks so clean, with nice new glass buildings and nice homes and it looks like there is money. I have noticed that wherever desi people start living in majority that area becomes pretty rundown. In London, Glasgow, Birmingham etc., when the desi population starts to increase in one locality, everyone else starts moving out from there. In Glasgow there is an area called Pollockshields, it was built by Jewish people and you can tell by the size of the stone houses that once upon a time it was a pretty decent locality, eight bedroom stone houses and in late ’70s and early ’80s when the property value went down, those houses were sold for under 100K and desis started to buy on 10% mortgage, the Jews moved out from there to Whitecraig area and today the Pollock Shield houses are for almost a million pounds each and almost paid off. So, they refinanced their houses, took 50% of the value in cash and bought posh homes in Islamabad i.e., £500,000 or Rs. 500,000,000 enough money to spoil the market and they did. Some of the desi millionaires in £ sterling have started to move into Whitecraig area in Glasgow, so its gonna be another Pollockshields in the next two decades. 😀

  106. #106 by Varun Suri on March 1, 2010 - 12:46 AM

    Javed A.Khan,

    What is the meaning of JHAKKI?

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