NEVER SAY DIE

How the Australians get this "Never Say Die" attitude is just as inexplicable as how Pakistani players can be so unpredictable

Millions of Pakistan cricket fans were left astounded by the events that occurred on 14 May 2010. Australia snatched the World Cup T20 semi final from Pakistan’s grasp and did the impossible.

One must wonder whether Australia’s miraculous victory was a product of good luck or a certain mental resilience that has defined global cricket domination for more than a decade. To say whether sheer skill, or sheer luck plays a part in T20 is a moot point that can lead to heated arguments between fans of the format, or purists who view it plainly as entertainment. One devles into arguments of philosophy regarding how “skill” is defined, or whether the ability to slog, constantly vary line and length, and create new shots can be considered as “skill”, too.

Apparently the Pakistan Cricket Board has attempted to employ the same techniques used by the Australian board as regards psychological coaching of players in order to inculcate some form of mental strength. However the PCB has missed a trick. Why is that Pakistan is always so vulnerable against the Australians? Ever since the 1999 World Cup final, Pakistan loses to Australia consistently even from winning positons.

Most Pakistanis are satisfied with the team’s performance and are commenting that, Pakistan reached the semi finals and put up a competitive show against a good team, Australia. But, I am not as optimistic. We seem to have forgotten that Pakistan is the best T20 team in the world with great T20 players like the Akmal brothers, Razzaq, Afridi, Ajmal etc. It must not be forgotten that Pakistan lost to teams like England and New Zealand but they were able to beat South Africa. T20 is more about luck than anything else, although we can argue the skills of players like Ajmal, Razzaq and Afridi are more suited to T20. I still feel that if Pakistan was mentally strong they could have reached the final.

Pakistan was playing with so many T20 specialists. It is worrisome now to consider that teams like England and Australia have demonstrated so much improvement in this format. Pakistan is unable to compete with these teams at Test level, and will we now see a situation that Pakistan will be relegated even in T20’s? People might accuse me of being sceptical but one must not forget that Pakistan just scraped through in the semis because of good luck. In the next World Cup if we see Pakistan performing the same way then it is fair to say that Pakistan will be completely marginalised from international cricket and will be accorded the same status as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, teams the ICC does not take seriously.

England and Australia have picked up upon how T20 is played. Going back into history, T20 originated in Karachi, at the Nazimabad ground in the 1970s. It spread like wildfire across the whole of Pakistan and then other countries took notice and played the format informally. T20 suited Pakistanis because the way cricket is played on the streets in Pakistan, slogging the ball is encouraged and no one wants to see batsmen who take singles and doubles or who plan think too much about their statistics. Also, Test cricket required discipline and good facilities which you cannot find very commonly in Pakistan. So, it was natural that Pakistanis excelled at this short format.

Shahid Afridi’s captaincy has evoked mixed reactions. Some people comment that he was too defensive, some people did not understand his constant shuffling of the batting order and bowling options. Yet, what Afridi has proved is that he is able to experiment and constantly try something new. This is a good quality and it must not be undermined. With time Afridi will improve but for now the PCB must continue with him as captain. The reason why Pakistan did not perform ideally in the first few matches was because of poor fielding and batting performance of Misbah, Umer Akmal, Hafeez and Afridi himself. Whether Pakistan’s performance in this Cup was good or bad, they must continue to work on their fielding as most of their fielders are still not world class.

This Cup was yet another failure for Misbah

Misbah ul Haq went into this Cup one of Pakistan’s 2 batting order backbones. Yet, his performance was pathetic. Even before this tournament the Legslip management criticised his selection (and have been doing so for 2 years) but Misbah somehow keeps being selected repeatedly. On the other hand, Fawad Alam is still not being provided with opportunities. Hopefully this Cup is a message for the PCB never to select Misbah, Hafeez and K Latif again. How many more matches will Misbah lose for Pakistan?

In conclusion, this Cup represents Australia’s resurgence in world cricket glory. The difference between the winner and loser in that memorable semi final was one team’s complacency and mental weakness and the other’s “Never Say Die” attitide. Australia took a dip for a few years in international cricket and many people commented that without McGrath, Warne, Hayden etc the team’s status would wither, yet the Aussies have shown that there is no alternative to mental strength. There is a certain level of self-belief, a certain mettle that can cause humans to create miracles.

And we witnessed a miracle at St Lucia on 14 May 2010.

A sight all too familiar in world cricket

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  1. #1 by khansahab on May 16, 2010 - 7:49 AM

    Inzamam advises PCB not to panic after Pakistan’s WT20 exit

    Former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq has advised the PCB not to panic and show more maturity and consistency in its decision making after Pakistan failed to defend their World Twenty20 title in the West Indies.
    Inzamam felt that the cricket board should give Shahid Afridi and his men more time to adjust to the requirements of the shortest version of the game and maintains continuity in the appointment of the captain and coach for the national team.
    “Shahid Afridi was leading the team for the first time in a big tournament and he needs time to learn things. There is no doubt he is still learning things but that is why I say we must maintain continuity in the captaincy and coaching staff,” Inzamam said.
    “If you look at the other teams they have same captains for years and our problem is that we keep on changing the skipper and coach all the time which is not allowing our team to move forward and give results according to its true potential. Give young players more time to adjust,” he said.
    Pakistan on Friday squandered a chance to enter their third successive World Twenty20 final by losing a last-over thriller to Australia.
    Michael Hussey hit a 24-ball 60 to script a dramatic runchase as Australia registered a three-wicket victory over defending champions in the semifinals to set up a summit clash with England.
    Pakistan’s most capped player felt that while team’s defeat was disappointing and heart-breaking, the boys put in a spirited effort and played to their full potential.
    “The sort of innings that Mike Hussey played it comes once in a lifetime and I don’t think there was anything more our bowlers could have done in that situation. So we shouldn’t be blaming anyone for the defeat,” he said.
    Pakistan’s former assistant coach and pace bowler, Aaqib Javed also felt that Hussey had played a magical innings.
    “It was a sort of innings that you as a bowler can’t do anything to stop. I thought our bowlers bowled well. Saeed Ajmal was our best bowler throughout the tournament in the death overs but against Hussey he failed,” Aaqib said.
    Pakistan’s former captain and coach, Javed Miandad said the team’s performance was satisfactory and something to build on for the future.
    “I would have given a thought to try someone else in the final over but the way Hussey was playing I don’t think it would have made a difference,” he said.
    Miandad said the team had shown good spirit in putting a great fight in the semi-final.
    “The main thing is we lost after a good fight and we showed competitive spirit against a top side and that is a good sign for our cricket.”

  2. #2 by Mohammed Munir on May 16, 2010 - 9:43 AM

    Newguy …

    @ your comment no. 55 of the previous thread, you said …

    Don’t despair guys, I am still here, inspite of India being the most pathetic team in super eights twice in two years, think of that 😉

    Well, actually last year Team India couldn’t even qualify for the super eight levels and they were terminated in the very first round itself and so was Australia. 😆

    Although, it doesn’t make much difference now, but just to set the record straight. 😉

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2010 - 10:02 AM

    Munir

    What is the ending to your question? You have addressed your comment to newguy by saying: “Although, it doesn’t make much difference now, but just to set the record straight………..” yeah just to set the record straight……..what are you suggesting???? What is the riddle here?

    When kids are chatting on the internet and suddenly if one of the parents come in and they quickly write in their coded language “rents up” and turn off the computer. Tumharay case may kuch aisa tou nahee kay BV aagyeee peechay say aur tum nay ek dum abruptly computer bandh ker diya? 😀

  4. #4 by Mohammed Munir on May 16, 2010 - 10:12 AM

    BV nahin Boss 😉

  5. #5 by Mohammed Munir on May 16, 2010 - 10:19 AM

    Khansahab …

    Good article, but you forget to mention about Razzaq. Although, I fully agree with you on Misbah as being totally useless, but IMO, Razzaq was one of the biggest disappointments of this tournament for Pakistan, not only in his batting but also bowling and offcourse fieling.

    Other big disappointment were Shahid Afridi, Mohammed Asif, Mohammed Hafeez and etc.

    Please check the bowling/ batting averages, economy rates and strike rates of these players to confirm what I am saying.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2010 - 10:35 AM

    khansahab

    Good thread and points well explained. You have highlighted this point in the thread: “Pakistan is unable to compete with these teams at Test level, and will we now see a situation that Pakistan will be relegated even in T20′s? ”

    Actually, if you closely examine the previous tour of Pakistan team to New Zealand and Australia, Pakistan team was very competitive, they nearly beat the world’s best team Australia by an innings (Sydney test) but, lost due to some real comical wicketkeeping, poor fielding and they were not playing as one unit, they were very dis-spirited and did not gel as one unit . Had they won that test it would have changed everything, this T20 semifinal match also proved that Pakistan team is very competitive, they lost this match because of one freakish innings by Mike Hussey, which many consider as an achievement of life time that will not happen again, therefore Pakistan must not take this thing very seriously. If they do, then it will dent their psyche like that JAVED MIANDAD’S SIX against India in Sharjah in April 1986.

    Miandad’s six dented India’s psyche and lasted for almost 18 years. To over come such fears of losing all they need is to win one match against Australia…….. One series win.

    Just to refresh the memories of our bloggers I would like to remind how India managed to get over with that, rather got even with Pakistan. After that Miandad Six, India was constantly losing series against Pakistan, although they won against them in the world cup round matches, yet Pakistan managed to win the world cup in 1992 and a few other series at home and abroad. At that time India had Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman, Dravid, Kumble etc., yet they lost. In 2004 when India toured Pakistan, they played their first tour match against Pakistan A in which Taufiq Umar was the captain and players like Imran Nazir etc., were in the team. India made 335 runs which at that time (even now) was a very daunting total but, Pakistan A won the match in 46 overs Taufiq Umer scored a century and Imran Nazir hit a swashbuckling 60 in 30 balls. India played their full strength team yet they lost.

    The first ODI was played in Karachi and India scored 348 runs and was the highest ODI total at that time (400’s were scored after that) and Pakistan went in for a run chase, Inzamam scored a century but, he got out when the target was almost achievable and it was left for Shoaib Malik, (who at that time had the reputation of scoring big and fast like he played against SA and scored 80 odd runs in no time and won the match for Pak) Moin Khan, Rana Naveed to complete the formalities. Malik was out cheaply and Moin Khan couldn’t play like Miandad or Hussey, only 7 runs were needed in the last over and Pakistan lost to India by 3 runs. That was again the highest total of ODI ever and was considered as one of the best and closest chase for a losing side.

    If Pakistan had won that match, India would have struggled further to recover from that situation but, that win changed their player’s psyche – most people said, that win changed their luck – I don’t believe in luck it is the mental strength that makes the difference, it is that never say die spirit that distinguishes between the winners and the losers. India not only won that match in Karachi but, they started believing in themselves that they can win and that regained their confidence and they won the ODI and the test series against Pakistan for the first time in 57 years.

    To sum up this, it is not just the players who need to change their attitude but, the PCB management needs to change their off the cuff management style and act like professionals, they should not shuffle the captain and the team like they shuffle the cards after every game. The point that Inzamam ul Haq has mentioned and the point that khansahab has highlighted about giving the captain and the team a chance to breathe and yes, some extremely poor, non performing and aging players like Misbah must be replaced or asked to retire.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2010 - 10:44 AM

    BV bhee tou BOSS hee hoti hai yaar 😀

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2010 - 10:56 AM

    Munir

    It is not that I support Afridi blindly, when he makes mistakes I call it as Afridi’s “Akhroatism” but, it would be unfair to put him among the likes of Asif, Hafeez etc. Because, a captain is always judged by his captaincy. Overall his captaincy was very good, like khansahab said, he was making constant changes in bowling and fielding. Had Pakistan beaten Australia no one would have said anything and if Pakistan had won the cup, no one would have said anything about his captaincy for the next 2 years. But, this is so typical of our people to criticize the loser.

    If you see, all captains Australia, England, SA tried different bowlers and made quick changes, no one stuck to a fixed plan and only losers are criticized for that winners get away with that. Captaincy affects almost everyone, it is that extra burden that puts them under pressure. Look at Graeme Smith he is captain of the SA team for the last so many years and he is a very good player and their whole team is so full of talented players of world class standard and yet the captaincy burden has placed him under pressure to perform and he has not scored well since the last 14 months? Ponting was under pressure after losing the Ashes series and for over a year he could not score. And he was getting out cheaply even against Pakistan but, that dropped catch by Aamer when he was on zero and was getting out on that hook shot each time, changed his attitude and his form he scored a double century after that. Michael Clarke is not scoring as a captain. Tendulkar could not perform as a captain and twice resigned from that post. Afridi is not reluctant to give up captaincy, in fact he is very keen and eager to lead and imo he has done a pretty decent job as a captain especially for his first tournament and that too is a T20 WC hence it is not easy. What is your opinion about Shoaib Malik’s captaincy? Pakistan for the first time lost a test and ODI series against India in India.

  9. #9 by Mohammed Munir on May 16, 2010 - 11:43 AM

    Javed Khan …

    You are almost right in both your comments no. 7 & 8 😉

    But, please reread my comments as I haven’t said anything wrong about Afridi’s captaincy and I too am fully supporting Afridi for being Pakistan’s only captain for all three formats. Nevertheless, his own individual performance was below par, much below par, I would say. Yes, I agree that captaincy comes with an added burden and it negatively affects most of the player’s own performances, but then again Afridi is not everyone. Plus, there are a few players (Dhoni/ Kumble/ etc.) who take that additional responsibility very well and their own game even improved with the extra burden of being captains.

    It hurts the most when it is expected the least.

    Before the start of this tournament, almost all Pakistani fans had very high hopes from the likes of Afridi, Razzaq, Umar Akmal, etc. whereas not many peoples expected extraordinary brilliances from Misbah, Salman, Fawad or Sami. So that is why, I think Afridi was not up to the mark as far as his own individual performance is concerned, although he was very good with the captaincy.

    Malik was an absolute failure as a captain and there are no second thoughts about that in my mind. Frankly speaking, comparing Shahid Afridi’s with Malik will be an insult for Afridi.

    Coming back to our defeat in the semi final, well what I am really worried about is that this defeat may also haunt us for the rest of the summers and we may end-up with another bad series against Australia, in England. I agree with you that had we won the Sydney test, the situation would have been different for that series and it dented our morale so badly that we could not recover from it. Now the situation is that I fear the exact repeat of same scenario with this another loss at the hands of MK Hussey, who I think have saved his career’s best performances only for Pakistan.

    Pakistani team management and coach should try to mentally strengthen their players to come out of this loosing psyche against the Australians, which, to me, will be the biggest challenge for the captain, coach, and the PCB this summers.

  10. #10 by newguy on May 16, 2010 - 4:04 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I have a few thoughts on your previous post.

    First, the concept of impact made by Javed Miandad’s last ball six on Indian cricket teams for a decade and the subsequent revival is an overblown and over analysed one.

    I give you reasons. I have grew up watching cricket in that era, I remember the last ball six match, I did not watch it, but one of my friends ran over to me and told me there was a Australasia cup final in Sharjah and Javed Miandad hit last ball for a six to win the match. That stunned the Indians, sure.

    However, was it that really the reason for the subsequent domination by Pakistan teams over India. Absolutely not.

    Here is why.

    If you compare India and Pakistan in limited over cricket up until that point, you will find that both teams had players with similar skills, both in bowling and batting. Perhaps a little bit edge to Pakistan in bowling because of Imran, but not so great to create a huge gulf.

    The Sharjah match also saw the introduction of Wasim Akram into Pakistan, which really started tilting bowling in favor of Pakistan. Soon, subsequent Pakistan teams saw the introduction of audacious players like Salim Malik, and Ijah Ahmed.

    Later on Pakistan started unearthing long line of bowlers superior to their Indian counter parts. Both pace and spin. In batting, Pakistan unearther Saaed Anwar and Aamer Sohail, both audacious openers, and richly talented. Compared to this, Indian team had much more conservative batsmen, and bowlers were not of equal quality. Pakistani fast bowlers could swing more than Indians, their spinners had more guile and variation than Indians, and their batsmen were more audacious.

    Whatever Indians did, Pakistanis did one step better. This is why whatever India did Pakistan found a way to better them, except in World Cup matches where pressure got to Pakistan.

    This was the real reason for domination, not the impact of last ball six.

    What about the revival, again, it is the quality of players. India started unearthing audacious batsmen like Virendar Sehwag, MS Dhoni, Yuvraj Singh, and Mohd Kaif, combined with players like Irfan Pathan, Zaheer Khan, Kumble, Harbhajan, Tendulakar started bridging the gap. Pakistan lost many of their stars due to retirement, and their replacements were not as good as their predecessors.

    This is why India started winning against Pakistan, or broke the spell of dominance. Every cricket team will once in a generation find a highly talented group of players coming together and this will make their team very dominant. Once they retire the team will drop off into average.

    This happened to Pakistan, India has it now in Test cricket, this is why they became #1 team over last ten years. But, India will lose these players now in 1 or 2 years and they will drop back. Australia lost it in test cricket and they are no longer team top that cannot be beaten in tests, while in T20 and ODI they are building it up now. West Indies had it in 70s and early 80s.

    Pakistan need better players to break the dominance of Australia over them, simple as that. Current set has so many mediocre players, and on a one to one basis Australia is superior in every dept in every form of cricket.

    Finally, from an impact perspective, they should be very careful. This match once again was very freakish, it’s not like hitting a last ball full toss for six, they needed 48 from last 3 overs. No team will ever hope to win a match in that situation, let alone win it, even in the club level IPL tournament. Not without some effort from the losing team, I am not accusing they let it happen consciously, but they played their part in letting Australia win.

    This complacency is what they need to attack first. Otherwise, Pakistan has the makings of a good team, and there is still something good in a system that can produce players like Aamer, and Umar Akmal. So, don’t despair yet.

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2010 - 5:14 PM

    newguy

    First I will write about the on-going final as there is an innings break now and then I will reply to your comment #9 i.e., about your analysis.

    England started very well today and nailed Australia from the beginning 8 for 3 is a perfect start in 3 overs and restricting Australia to their lowest total of 24 in the power play of six overs. Just one dropped catch of David Hussey by Stuart Broad when he was on 25 cost them heavily because he added 34 more runs before getting out and also got involved in two good partnerships with Cameron White and Mike Hussey. Australia scored exactly 50 runs in the last 4 overs, which made this total respectable. Compared to what Pakistan did, England did much better. But, chasing a total of 148 in the final and that too against Australia will not be a piece of cake. It will be a good contest. But, I can say from now on that this match, whichever way it goes will not be as exciting as the Pakistan Australia semifinal. That will remain as the best match of the tournament.

    England bowlers bowled better line and length than Pakistan and apart from dropping that single catch of David Hussey they did pretty well in the field, missed a few run outs but got the crucial run out of Warner. Now, England openers need to play a cautious innings and give a start of at least 50 runs as an opening stand and from there, England has depth in their batting and Paul Collingwood who has not contributed by his bat needs to do well. Expecting Pietersen in every match is a bit too much. Luke Wright, Eoin Morgan and Bresnan needs to do the job White and Husseys.

    The England innings is about to start and I would say GO ENGLAND GO ——>

  12. #12 by newguy on May 16, 2010 - 5:40 PM

    England did well after sending Australia in to bat. You almost expect Australia with their depth in batting to get to 150 no matter what, so this is not a surprise that they made 147. It’s a below par score. But a good one for a final.

    I think the Pakistan match may have had made England re-think letting Australia bat second. Given their depth in batting, it was a wise decision. Ironically, Australia is most hard to beat when chasing. But, may be not so with England, and may be not so with T20, and may be not so with a below 150 score. We’ll see.

    I think a lot depends on Peterson and Morgan, with other players chipping in. Australia as usual will not give away anything in field, and neither did England.

    I just hope England will not lose way recklessly and they can put in a credible performance.

    Being a neutral, I really don’t care who wins today, I am not a big fan of either teams.

    I want Australia beaten, but I don’t dislike them so much to root for England 🙂

    I am going to be neutral. Best team win.

  13. #13 by newguy on May 16, 2010 - 5:52 PM

    Munir you said:

    Well, actually last year Team India couldn’t even qualify for the super eight levels and they were terminated in the very first round itself and so was Australia.

    No, they were knocked out in super eight stage. India played against WI, Eng, and SA and they lost all 3 games. Australia got knocked out since they did not make it to super eights. Just like the minnows teams. This is no big deal for me, but I think what I said is correct.

  14. #14 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 16, 2010 - 6:46 PM

    FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF ENGLAND THEY HAVE WON A MAJOR ONE DAY TOURNAMENT.

    They beat Australia convincingly in 17 overs it is a big margin in a final. To say Australia’s performance was mediocre would be giving them too much credit, I would say it was PATHETIC. England definitely learnt a few lessons from the semifinal and did not make those mistakes which Pakistan made. They did not get complacent, in fact they wanted to prove a point to Australia by beating them under 17 overs and they did.

    I think man of the match must be Kieswetter and man of the tournament must be Kevin Pietersen. It doesn’t matter if Jayawardene scored 302 runs, what matters is Pietersen was involved in England’s victory in every single match he played and he was not there in the England / New Zealand match.

  15. #15 by Mohammed Munir on May 16, 2010 - 7:49 PM

    Not only did England crushed the MF Australians, but it was more of a ‘piece of cake’ and ‘a walk in the park’ kinda win for the English team.

    Khansahab … Congratulations as your second home team won.

    Javed Khan … Congratulations as you too wanted the Aussies lost and humiliated.

    All Australia Haters … Congratulations, not for England winning but for the MF Australian’s humiliating defeat.

    PS: MF = Mighty Favourites 😉

  16. #16 by newguy on May 16, 2010 - 10:16 PM

    A deserving victory for England. They were the most composed and confident team in the tournament. Even Australia were patchy and were rescued couple of times through rear guard action. Their bowlers lacked venom and their top order batsmen order collapsed once again and because England is a strong fielding unit they not let Hussey and White to run away with it.

    While batting England showed composure and did it easy.

    Three years of T20 WC and we have 3 different champions, this is good for cricket.

    Once again, as I believed before the tournament, T20 requires quite a bit of luck too, and it is going to hard for any one team to dominate for longer periods unlike traditional forms of cricket.

  17. #17 by Omer on May 16, 2010 - 11:59 PM

    Newguy,

    Australian bowlers lack venom when you attack them. This is because they are pretty one-dimensional in that they can’t move the ball much, and pretty much rely on the batsman’s inabilities or fielders cabilities and bowl very attritionally by working out players and banging the ball back-of-a-length 10/10 times. Everyone says “And Brett Lee is injured as well” but this is another Australian tactic, that is, if a player is clearly not good enough to be in the team, announce he is injured. Brett Lee averages around 60 in Bangladesh, and his average in the subcontinent is very, very off (in the 50s). A lot of Australian pace bowlers are overated, their fielding can make them look better than they are, and then the myth that spreads after that creates tension in the batsman’s mind as well.

    It was all Pieterson and England today, they played to win, and didn’t wait till the 19th over or wait for when a part-timer would come– they tried to finish the game early, and by attacking Australia’s pace bowlers, they have also taken a psycological edge looking forward to the Ashes. The best thing they did was that they also attacked Jhonson. Jhonson clearly doesn’t like pressure (and it seems that he knows that himself), so time and again you have to attack him, so that the fact remains in his mind (and it seems to me that that is what England has consistently done against Jhonson since the Ashes). Some people would say these sort of tactics are cheap, targetting and preying on player’s weaknesses, but that is what Australia has done for quite a long time, so its good to see when a team outhinks them tactically.

    England plan their tactics against Australia very well. Their field placements were very attacking and, though the odd six is inescapable, they never really let Australia build momentum. This is also why they play consistently well against Australia. High-quality cricket played by England. They totally deserve to win this world cup.

  18. #18 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 3:10 AM

    So, I was right about the Player of the Tournament. Guessing who the MoM would go was very easy (geeli chaabi) Kieswetter scored highest runs and played an important role so there is no biggy in guessing that. However, most of my friends were saying it would be Jayawardene and I said, it is enough that Dilshan got it wrongly last year and this year they have to see who plays the important role in helping their side win the most matches and not the one who score most runs. So, Kevin Pietersen fully deserved it, good present for his wife and new born kid.

    When we started the blog, we wrote our favourite players and among three four I wrote, KP was one of them. I like his aggressive style of batting. Players who move and shuffle usually get out cheaply but, the way KP shuffles and moves no one can guess what he is going to do and that is his expertise and I admire that quality. The way Kieswetter got out, the way Gambhir got out, the way Shahid Afridi and Razzaq got out i.e., by moving down the leg side and exposing their wickets to the bowler, in my opinion is the most stupidest thing in cricket, especially if you expose your wicket and make a Misbah out of it.

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 3:21 AM

    newguy

    About that point of Pakistan rather Miandad’s six denting the Indian psyche, you wrote a few things in your comment and I don’t agree fully with a few things.

    Me, I witnessed that match and at that time in ODI’s any score above 250 was a decent to total to defend. Miandad became a legend by hitting a six on the last ball when only 4 were required to win. Now a days every one hit a six on the last ball. Anyways, the point that I wanted to address is, you highlighted that the Pakistani players were very good and Indian players were not so good. I don’t agree with that. In 1986 Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Srikant, Azharuddin, Mohindar Amarnath etc., were there and three years later in 1989 Tendulkar made his debut, and you did not mention about his role or Ganguly’s role instead you highlighted Wasim, Waqar, Saeed Anwar etc. Saeed Anwar and Tendulkar were racing neck to neck up to the 6000 runs but, then Saeed Anwar had family problems his daughter died in an accident and he was in and out and finally retired. On paper, India was never a bad team. In fact they were better in many ways and when they used to lose against Pakistan, I heard some of my Indian friends and colleagues in Dubai used to say, “we are paper tigers.”

    With new gadgets and guards players feel very safe and they are prepared to tackle the fast bowlers. In my opinion, Shoaib Akhtar’s bowling is very mediocre he is only fast and he gives a lot of width to the batsmen to play shots and get thrashed all over the park. He doesn’t use his head, he goes for a long run up and gets huff puff after 2-3 overs and his wayward bowling had cost Pakistan a few T20 matches against Sri Lanka and a few ODI against other teams.

    Inzamam gelled the young team very well, but he was dictating his terms and it was very obvious that he was trying to evolve a new culture in the team and that was his downfall. As a player Inzamam is the second best batsman after Miandad.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 3:33 AM

    Omer

    Australia is a highly over rated team, they get away because of the mistakes of other teams. They have luckily escaped defeat at the hands of Pakistan in Australia and again here in St. Lucia. Their fast bowlers do not have the guts to come back and counter attack the batsmen when they are hit all over the park. The Akmal brothers have proved this. The way Shaun Tait, Nannes, Johnson and Shane Watson in particular behaved after being thrashed by Pakistan and also by England today is so obvious that if any batsman goes attacking them, they become timid and start bowling wides and forget their line and length. Did you notice how Tait and Watson’s face?

    Australia’s batting was solely dependent on the last three players i.e., David Hussey, Cameron White and Mike Hussey. As a captain Michael Clarke was extremely pathetic his batting form was worst than Dhoni and Graeme Smith. Ian Chappel said, all the captains have suffered in this tournament because of the burden of captaincy. He mentioned the names of all these three I wrote above and he said, to a certain extent it has even affect Shahid Afridi’s performance, which means he was saying that Afridi’s performance was better than other captains. Graeme Smith and Dhoni have been the captain for many years and they have played many T20’s at international and domestic level wheras, Afridi and Clarke are new this was their first international outing as captains, so I can understand if it is affecting their performance but, Dhoni and Smith? Dhoni needs to change his attitude he appears as very arrogant and selfish player, he is constantly touting at the bowlers by saying batting is our strength as if Indian bowlers are zilch?

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 8:22 AM

    The best match of the tournament was between Australia vs. Pakistan semifinal.
    There can be only one best, hence the second most exciting match was between Pakistan and New Zealand.

    Pakistan always play their big matches very well. They are the most exciting team in the world when they are giving their 100% and any side in the world is afraid to play against them, they say you cannot predict about them. And, that is the problem with the team, they need to be consistent, clinical and methodical in their approach. This is possible if the PCB handles their most valuable assets (their players) with care and themselves run like a professional organization. It is a shame that the PCB being the richest organization in Pakistan is being mismanaged by people like Ijaz Butt, Wasim Bari etc. The selection process is very ad hoc and at times it is biased. It has to be very clean and transparent in terms of selection process and must be based on merit. There must always be seniors and a few young players in the team. The induction of the young players must be on a gradual basis and they need to be harnessed and groomed as real good professional players.

    The selectors must identify the talent and choose the right kinda player for the right format. The coach and officials on the spot must be seen with more hands on job rather than sitting in the dugout and making faces like spectators. Waqar Younus and Ijaz both were laid back, lazy and lethargic. There was no laptop, no notes, no paper nothing to quickly checkout what the plan A or plan B was and what bowling, batting changes are needed and must send messages to the captain. The messages should not look like orders that the captain and the team members get put off but, suggestions based on the initial planning that this is what needs to be kept in mind. At times the captains may not remember or over look certain things and a reminder serves the purpose to change the plan or whatever.

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 8:32 AM

    People are saying: “Afridi shouldn’t have used Saeed Ajmal to bowl the last over in the final.” They add up this ‘teep ka bandh’ “Who uses the spinner in the last over?”

    The point is, if Afridi had used a fast bowler to bowl the last over and still Pakistan had lost, they would have said, “Afridi is such an akhroat, he should have used Saeed Ajmal to bowl the last over because he did very well against South Africa.” For a losing side, the criticism comes either way i.e., “damned if you do it, damned if you don’t.”

    In the round match against Australia when Aamir bowled the last over 5 Australian players were out and it was a maiden over. That was a freak thing it may never happen again. But, on previous other occasions Aamir’s last overs were expensive. And, Saeed Ajmal overall bowled very well, it was just his last over that was ruined by Hussey. So, you cannot blame Ajmal for bowling poorly. Perhaps he must have also learnt from his mistake that he should have slowed down his pace and not bowled him on the leg and middle which gives the batsmen to pull it over the mid-wicket boundary and Hussey is very strong in that area.

  23. #23 by Mohammed Munir on May 17, 2010 - 9:01 AM

    As I said before there will always be “IFs” and “BUTs” in cricket and PCB have the honour of having the biggest “BUTT” around.

    Saeed was our best bet and we went ahead with him.

    The thing is that Australia needed 34 runs in last two overs which were surely to be bowled between the two of Aamir and Saeed. Saeed got hit 23 runs in 5 balls of his last over when they needed only 18 to win, whereas Aamir went for 16 runs in the previous/ 19th over. So suppose even IF Saeed bowled 19th over and got hit for 25/ 26 runs (23 + 2/3 more on last ball), then what could Aamir have done in the 20th over ??

    If Saeed would have bowled 19th over then Hussey may not have waited till the last over of Aamir and could have started his frenzy in the 19th over of Saeed itself.

    Anways, what’s gone is gone and the fact is that we played the best game of the entire tournament, but we lost. So we should all live with that.

  24. #24 by Mohammed Munir on May 17, 2010 - 9:08 AM

    For this particular game …

    The boys played well, the Captain was great, the batters did more then their job, the fielding was also fine, bowlers also were ok till 10/15 overs, but I think the luck was against us.

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 1:33 PM

    khansahab

    The caption for this thread is “Never Say Die” and it is dedicated to the Australians for their never say die attitude. In the finals, the Australians died before their death. The body language of the Australian fast bowlers said it all. England team turned out to be true champions, they played with calm and composure and never panicked at any stage of the game throughout this tournament. In the previous T20 WC tournaments I don’t think they ever qualified for the semifinals, or did they?

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 1:47 PM

    Younus Khan’s appeal postponed till May 29th, whereas Shoaib Malik’s appeal date has been fixed ahead of him on May 22nd.

    http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/459779.html

    Why is Younus getting an unfair treatment?
    He appealed much before Malik or his lawyer filed his appeal and yet Malik got a preferential treatment by the board. Is it because Malik became more famous for getting married to Sania Mirza? Or, is it because the PCB want to announce the squad for England tour and keep Younus out of the squad and bring Malik in? Or, is it a deliberate ruse from the PCB to hold on to Younus Khan’s documents? The one man demolition (tribunal) squad chaired by Irfan Qadir said, the PCB has not sent all documents of Younus, hence the hearing cannot take place. Whereas, Malik’s papers were filed much after the deadline and the excuse was made that Malik is busy in India getting married to Sania Mirza hence we will extend the deadline date for submitting his paper. What a load of cow dung, any lawyer could have filed Malik’s appeal on his behalf and that is what eventually happened.

    The PCB will be making a big mistake if they omit Younus Khan and Mohammad Yousuf from the squad only to include Malik and Misbah in the team. Misbah must be asked to retire or they should tell him on his face that you don’t deserve a spot in any format of the game, so buzz off.

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 2:11 PM

    As regards the reasons for the bans on Y & Y, the PCB said, “it is because of “infighting” between the two of them which had a “negative influence” on the team.”

    In which era they didn’t have infighting between a few key players? Starting from Abdul Hafeez Kardar’s period, who was a big time dictator like Imran Khan till today there have been differences and arguments between the teammates and in some cases the senior players revolted against the captain. Example, Wasim Akram & Co. revolted against Javed Miandad. Shoaib Malik has constantly been a pain in the neck for every captain after Inzamam’s retirement. And, when he was made captain, he played a major role in ruining the spirit of the game by including under-achievers and under-performers in the team and losing against all the world class teams except for Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and on paper it shows that he had so many victories under his belt as a captain. The fact remains that under Malik’s captaincy, Pakistan lost a test and ODI series against India for the first time in 63 years.

    So what on earth are they talking about? In South Africa, The Actor hit Asif with a cricket bat and yet no serious action was taken against him, he had a loud heated argument with Bob Woolmer in front of the TV camera which the whole world saw and he was never punished seriously for that, he kept coming back again and again. Asif was caught in Dubai with drugs and brought disgrace to the nation and yet he is in the team and treated like a celebrity.

    Yousuf and Younus both are world class test players and they are being treated unfairly, they are being made escape goat to save their own skin. Butt, Bari & Co. must GO
    . They need to be fired and not Yousuf and Younus from the test squad. All over the world Heroes are treated with respect and in Pakistan the real Heroes are kicked on their butt whereas, Butt Heads, thick skin and ordinary players like Malik, Misbah, Asif and Akhtar are made celebrities and are crowned and decorated. The Sialkot people have decorated and honoured Malak for his achievement on marrying Sania Mirza. I wonder what they will do if this marriage goes wrong?

    It is just like Imran Khan was initially praised by many for marrying a Jewish Billionaire’s daughter and when she left Imran they are criticizing him for marrying a woman who has no character and is reportedly dating with Hugh Grant and kissing Kate Moss in public and the same people are calling Imran Khan a “bay-ghairat insaan”. Also, digging out his old affairs with Sita White and his reportedly illegitimate daughter and you browse on the internet there are so many hate websites against him calling him Zani. Yet, there are many who admire him but, no one votes for him to get elected.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 2:30 PM

    Sri Lanka has planned well for the ICC WC 2011, they have called for the Asia Cup in June this year which will be played in Sri Lanka. Almost all of Pakistan matches in the 2011 cup will be held in Sri Lanka. Although in their group they have Australia, Pakistan and New Zealand but, they have all the chances of reaching into the semis without any hurdle because, at home they play really well.

    I am looking forward to the Asia Cup and after that Pakistan in England against England and Australia.

  29. #29 by khansahab on May 17, 2010 - 5:30 PM

    Afridi criticised for poor captaincy

    LAHORE – Shahid Afridi’s captaincy came in for criticism from current and former players after Pakistan squandered a chance to enter their third successive Twenty20 World Cup final by losing a last-over thriller to Australia.
    After millions of fans were left disappointed and stunned at their team’s defeat, former Test players felt poor tactics on the field in the final few overs cost Pakistan the match on Friday.
    Australia scored an incredible 34 runs in the last two overs to stun Pakistan who seemed to be cruising to victory after setting a target of 191 for Michael Clarke’s men.
    Left-arm pacer Muhammad Aamir went for 16 in the penultimate over while off-spinner Saeed Ajmal was hit for three sixes and a four in the final over by Michael Hussey.
    “I have played a lot with Saeed and he is a sort of bowler who struggles against the left handers and in pressure situations, it was not a good idea to give him the final over when they were two left-handers at the crease,” all-rounder Sohail Tanvir said.
    Tanvir and Saeed both play for KRL and Rawalpindi in domestic cricket and Tanvir, who was ruled out of the World Cup due to a knee operation, said Pakistan paid the price for relaxing a bit in the final few overs.
    “I wouldn’t say they were overconfident but they should have remained alert throughout the Australian innings and I would have preferred giving the final over to someone else to make Hussey think his strategy,” Tanvir said.
    Former Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik said he would have definitely given the final over to Abdul Razzaq as Saeed was not a confident bowler against left-handers.
    “Yes, Saeed does struggle against left-handers and I would have tried the experienced Razzaq in such a tight situation
    . But it would be unfair to blame anyone for the defeat because all credit to the Australians for proving why they are a champion team once again,” he said.

    Malik showered praise on Hussey and said his innings of 60 from 24 balls was perhaps the greatest limited overs innings he had seen in his career.
    “It was a brilliant innings and he took the match away and we also made tactical mistakes in the final overs,” Malik said.
    Fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar also felt that something was lacking in the team in the final few overs.
    “I thought maybe the captain should have got the players together in a huddle or at least consulted with his senior players after the penultimate over when Aamir went for runs on who should bowl the final over or when first ball in the final over, Hussey hit Saeed for a six,” Shoaib said.
    “In such situations it is always good for the captain to talk to his players and take decisions. In hindsight, I would have looked at other options to bowl the final over,” he added.
    But he said that the Pakistan team deserved credit for putting up a great performance in the semi-final which many people expected to be a cakewalk win for Australia.
    “We lost the match but we fought well and there is no shame in losing such a close match,” he said.
    Former captain Moin Khan said Pakistan dominated the entire match except the final three overs and it cost them dearly.
    “Cameron White and Hussey were outstanding under pressure while our bowlers were cracked. That was the difference between the two sides in the final overs,” Moin said.
    Former captain Rashid Latif said it was sheer bad luck that Pakistan lost as Hussey played like a champion batsman. “I thought Kamran and Umar Akmal were brilliant,” he said.

  30. #30 by khansahab on May 17, 2010 - 5:34 PM

    Malik wants to play for Pakistan during England tour

    LAHORE: Former Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik who has been banned for a year by the PCB, wants to play for the national team on the tour of England in June-July when his wife, Indian tennis star Sania Mirza will be busy in Wimbledon championships in London.

    “It would make me proud, if this situation happened because it is rare for a husband and wife to be representing their countries at the same time in international sports in different sports,” Malik said.

    Malik also made it clear that he had no issue with Sania continuing to represent India in tennis.

    “Why not? She is an Indian and India has given her everything. Just like I am a Pakistani and owe everything to my country.

    “She has married a Pakistani does not mean her nationality will change automatically. I hope she does well for India in the Wimbledon and I also hope to be playing for Pakistan in England at the same time,” he said.

    “If both of us do well in our respective sports for our countries nothing could be better,” he added.

    Malik was banned for 12-months and fined Rs 2 million by the Pakistan Cricket Board along with six other players in March on the recommendations of an inquiry committee that looked into the causes for poor performances during Australia tour and also the reports of infighting within the team.

    Malik has appealed against his ban and fine and said he had also come to meet his lawyer and decide if he would appear in person before the appeals judge.

    “I am confident of this ban being lifted soon because I don’t think I have ever done anything that is against the interests of Pakistan cricket,” he said.

    Malik said he had lot of respect for his seniors and got along well with the junior players in the team as well.

    “I really don’t know why this ban was imposed on me and I had asked my lawyer to get all relevant documents and evidence from the Board which suggest I acted against the team interests,” he said.

    “I want to play for my country again and I want to be there for the Tests in England. I miss playing international cricket,” he added.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 6:30 PM

    khansahab

    Did you read what I wrote above about Malik?
    Now you have confirmed it by copy pasting that news item on Malik’s eagerness to play for Pakistan in the UK. There is a deliberate and concerted efforts being made by the PCB to bring in Malik and keep Yousuf and Younus out of the squad for England. Whether Sania is playing in Wimbledon or not it makes no difference to Pakistan to go into Guinness book of world records that a husband and wife representing international sport at the same time. Who cares? Malik should talk about his form instead of justifying reasons and showing Sania’s triumph card on every occasion.

    Malik’s comments about using Abdul Razzaq in the final over in place of Saeed Ajmal, is just a way to criticize Afridi’s captaincy. Abdul Razzaq may be experienced but, all the fast and medium paced bowlers were being thrashed by the batsmen. Saeed Ajmal troubled Cameron White earlier in his 2nd over and throughout the tournament he bowled well. Against South Africa he bowled the last over and it worked well and no one criticized because Pakistan won that match. Had they won this match no one would have criticized. Abdul Razzaq was absolutely off colour in the bowling department, his economy rate is 11.00 whereas, Ajmal’s is 12.00 in that match. If you remove the last over’s runs in which he gave away 23 runs in 5 balls, his average and economy rate would have been pretty decent.

    As regards Sohail Tanvir’s words of wisdom, he should worry about his own form. May be Saeed Ajmal struggles against left hand batsmen or not but, Tanvir struggles against every batsman and right now Tanvir is a nothing bowler. Against Sri Lanka at home Tanvir was thrashed for 43 in 3 overs and it happened twice. Actor was also thrashed for 42 in 3 overs by the Lankans. It is easier for them to sit back in the TV lounge and criticize others and when they were playing they used to find silly excuses. Both of them have attitude problems and both are arrogant B.

  32. #32 by Omer on May 17, 2010 - 6:33 PM

    Khansahab,

    That last over tactic can be criticized, but only after the fact. No-one knows what would have happened if Razzaq or someone else would have bowled that over.

    If they think of things as a process rather than either/or, it would become more clear why Pakistan lost: They were very defensive and put all the fielders at the boundary. Hussey likes to get set (kind of like Razzaq) before he can hit as well as he can, so they shouldn’t have allowed him to get the singles/doubles initially.

    I would partially blame Waqar for this, as he should have noted that Pakistan were defensive throughout the tournament and it wasn’t working. He has enough experience against Australia to know that, defensive tactics against them don’t work.

    Misbah and Hafeez shouldn’t have been in the squad. Pakistan consistently had a problem bowling at the death, and their third pace option Sami is very, very wayward (who ideally shouldn’t have been in the squad either). If Sami could win a few matches at the expense of being wayward, then it would be ok to play him, but that is the difference between Sami and Akhter. Akhter runs thru batting line-ups on his day and does it very often.

    So, it comes down to a selection issue– not sending that tall, fast bowler in the squad and relying on some of the things that they had seen at domestic cricket rather than using sound judgment.

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 6:39 PM

    Omer

    You say that Hussey likes to get set like Raazaq before he can hit………. Actually Hussey started hitting right from the word go which is obvious from his 60 in 24 balls in which he hit 3 fours and six sixes.

    As regards Akhtar’s DAY….. the days are over, he is a spent force, first he could not bowl in test matches, then he could not complete his 10 overs quota in ODI’s and now he cannot bowl 4 overs he starts huffing and puffing after 2 overs. So, one should not bring him back for sure. Sami and Asif would be better in England, in fact it will suit Asif more because of the swing and movement in the air. In the Caribbean Asif was absolutely ineffective and expensive.

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 6:46 PM

    newguy

    Indian players taken to the cleaners after returning from the Caribbean, the night club brawl involved so many (8) players and I wonder how they will cover up this mess? Like an Indian Filmi Hero when he is sad due to some sad situation and to forget the woes and sorrows he goes to the Daru Khana and indulge himself into binging which is always followed by a song where a Helen comes in to join him and dance with him ………….. unfortunately for these 8 rejected and dejected heroes there is no song and no Helen.

    BCCI wants to punish these players and reportedly setting up an inquiry commission…………… typical bureaucratic procedure.

  35. #35 by Omer on May 17, 2010 - 7:05 PM

    This is what Ian Chappel said:

    Text size: A | A Andrew McGlashan: I’ve got Ian Chappell with me to look back at England’s first global one-day trophy in 35 years of trying. Ian, they played pretty much the perfect game today.

    Ian Chappell: They really beat Australia at their own game. They played very aggressively, they played confidently and they attacked the Australians. I think some inspirational leadership from Paul Collingwood played a big part in it. He sort of set the pattern.

    If you go back to early in the game, he probably got his team a couple of wickets. By keeping a slip, leading to Graeme Swann showing goof reflexes and taking a rebound catch, and by keeping his fieldsmen up close to prevent the singles to get the run-out of David Warner, which was a perfect start for England. Then, Collingwood himself took that blinding catch at midwicket and you’ve got an offspinner’s clinic from Graeme Swann; that was a magnificent four overs from him. That really set the pattern.

    Once England had restricted Australia to that mid-range score, they felt pretty confident. I saw Kevin Pietersen last year at the start of the Ashes series, and he looked a bit down on form and confidence and was suffering from an injury as well. But the good news for England is that he looks to be back to as good as he was, and is as confident as I’ve ever seen him.

    AM: Did you expect the Australian bowlers to make it a big tougher than they did for England?

    IC: Pietersen looked so comfortable so quickly out there in the middle. He’s that sort of player and he likes to send messages to the opposition. One pull shot, very early in his innings, off Shaun Tait; he didn’t take a big bat-swing, sort of punched it for two. It was a message to the bowler saying ‘I can handle that, what else have you got’? Then there was another time when he hit a straight six just at a time when the Australians might have thought ‘maybe we can contain them’. Then suddenly, Pietersen hits a six. In the end, I think the England plan looked to be ‘lets finish this off as quickly as possible so that we not only win the trophy but we send just a little message to Australia leading up the Ashes in Australia next summer.’ The only way to play a good team is to attack them, and to see what they’ve got to come back with. And that’s why Pietersen is such a crucial player in the England side. I shouldn’t forget Kieswetter, he played an important role.

    AM: Do you think Australia found it a little difficult to come down from the extreme high of the win in the semi-final. It’s gone down as one of the great matches. Do you think the 48-hour turnaround maybe worked against them on this occasion?

    IC: Not really, I don’t think so. If anything, with a victory like that you start to think ‘we’re bullet-proof and we can get out of any hole we dig.’ England were always going to play Australia very aggressively anyhow. But particularly the way Pakistan batted against Australia, I think England would have said from that: ‘Alright, if we can play the Australian pace bowlers sensibly, we can rattle them.’ That’s the way it proved to be.

    It’ll always be the case. If you’re up against a good team, you’ve got to try and provoke mistakes and you can’t sit back and wait for mistakes. This was a totally different England approach to the game and as I said, they beat Australia at their own game.

    AM: Michael Clarke was quite honest in the press conference, saying the selectors would probably have a look at his batting form. He’s the led the team into the final here. What are your thoughts on his place in the Twenty20 team at the moment?

    IC: It wasn’t a surprise that he came in at No.3 today, because to me if he doesn’t bat at three, he can’t hold his place in the team. They’ve got so many good hitters down the line – Cameron White, David Hussey and Michael Hussey in particular – that if he sends other guys in at No.3, and he puts himself down late in the order, there is no spot for him. Clarke’s probably got a bit of thinking to do about the way he plays his Twenty20 cricket. Certainly, there are no problems with his captaincy but Australia has rarely been a cricket team that picks a captain and then picks the rest of the team. It’s the other way around; they pick the team and then pick who the best man is to captain the side. I would think they would continue to do that. So, if they decide that there is no room for Michael Clarke in the Twenty20 side, then they’ve got to find someone else to captain.

    AM: The finals day has been capped off by the tight final in the women’s tournament. What are your overall views of the last two weeks in the Caribbean. Has it banished the memories of what happened in 2007 here?

    IC: Certainly from an atmosphere point of view, yes. It’s showed that the ICC were silly to ban instruments and so on as they tried to do in 2007. One of the reasons why you love to come to the Caribbean, in the early part of my life as a player and now as a commentator, is the atmosphere at the grounds. Music and dancing, that’s the Caribbean. It’s the flavour of cricket in the Caribbean. It’s why you get a hell of a lot of visitors, particularly from England. They love coming down not just for the sun and the beaches. They love coming for the cricketing flavour of the Caribbean. You take that away, and you take away half the reason for coming to the Caribbean.

  36. #36 by khansahab on May 17, 2010 - 7:32 PM

    Omer

    I agree. If Ajmal would have conceded 10 runs, or 7 or 8 runs in that last over people would have said Afridi is a genius. Also, if Aamer had been given the last over and had gone for boundaries people would have said that Afridi is insane because in his last over Aamer had conceded 16.

    I am not supporting Afridi’s captaincy here. Afridi has remarked that captaining in T20’s is more difficult than in Test matches, but I am not convinced. You can be the best strategist in T20 but edges off the bat, poor fielding etc can make the difference between a match won and match lost. But in Test cricket, good planning usually bears fruits. You plan session by session and the batsmen do not take as many risks.

    What I did not like about Afridi’s captaincy was his over reliance on Misbah ul Haq, and his degrading of Fawad Alam. Also at times Afridi’s inclusion of Rehman and Hafeez in the Powerplay overs seemed a little forced and defensive.

    But, what I liked about him was that otherwise he was aggressive. He used aggressive batsmen top of the order, which did not result in many excellent starts, but was right in principle. His experiments with the bowling order should he has the heart to try something new. Sometimes, these trials will be disastrous as was the case with Hafeez bowling in Powerplays and Ajmal bowling the last over against Australia, but at the same time sometimes these trials will also be successful.

    This is better than the predictable and reactive captaincy of Inzamam and Malik.

  37. #37 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 17, 2010 - 8:51 PM

    khansahab

    The point here on using Hafeez and Abdur Rahman in the power play is not defensive, actually it is an aggressive decision. Given the condition of the pitches in the Caribbean where the slow ball was sticking, Hafeez, Rahman and Ajmal were ideal whereas, Afridi himself bowls at a faster pace and hence he was not so effective, still he was better than fast bowlers and medium pacers. There was no movement in the air, let alone reverse swing, there wasn’t any normal swing hence Asif looked like a completely a mediocre bowler on those pitches.

    As regards criticism, I am sure every losing side is getting flak from their fans, media and even from the general public. Dhoni is heavily criticized for his poor captaincy and his consistent use of Ravindra Jadeja and his own batting form was pathetic, his field placement was way too defensive and all his players except for Raina and Rohit were present in the field but, their mind was elsewhere. You don’t expect this kinda behaviour from players like Yuvraj and Gambhir.

    The MF Australians
    (mighty favourites as Munir says) their fast bowlers appeared as impotent and lethargic especially Watson, even Johnson, Tait and Nannes were bowling like mediocre bowlers and Clarke’s captaincy is under fire.

    Chris Gayle saved his skin by scoring that 98 runs and blamed the rest of the team for not performing, its true none of them performed.

    The South Africans: Graeme Smith’s captaincy is under scrutiny
    and his own form is pathetic. Every big tournament they play and lose, the chokers tag becomes bigger and bigger. Players like ABC Diviliers, Gibbs, Duminy, Boucher, they all failed except for Kallis The Tabarnak. They even dropped Loots Boosman Loots and their bowlers, Styen was thrashed for 50 runs against some team, I can’t remember the name of that team.

    New Zealand, they keep losing in or before semifinals and Jacob Oram needs to hang his boot on the same hook where Bond has hung his boots. Taylor did not perform at all. Vettori’s captaincy was so, so……

    Collingwood is praised now because England won the cup, but Collingwood did nothing special as a bowler, batsmen or even as a captain, but over all the team played extremely well and won the cup and people worship the rising sun.

    Therefore, there is no need to criticize Afridi, over all his captaincy was much better than others and by his own T20 standards his performance was not good. Had Pakistan won the cup like England, people would have been praising him like they are praising Collingwood.

  38. #38 by khansahab on May 17, 2010 - 10:21 PM

    Geo obtains PCB inquiry committee video

    LAHORE: Geo has obtained the video of the proceedings by the PBC inquiry committee for investigating Pakistan cricket team’s failure on the tour of Australia.

    In this video, coaches Intikhab Alam and Aaqib Javed expressed their doubts on the Pakistan cricketers’ involvement in match fixing.

    Pakistan lost all their matches – three Tests, five One-day Internationals a Twenty20 International – on the tour of Australia, after which the Pakistan Cricket Board had formed an inquiry committee.

    The video of this inquiry committee’s proceedings has been obtained in which coach Intikhab Alam had recommended to expel four players from the team.

    Assistant coach Aaqib Javed said that he doubt the Pakistan cricketers were involved in match fixing.

    He said that dropping catches and not running out the opponent batsman by wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal proved there was something wrong.

    Pace bowler Rana Naved-ul-Hasan had admitted that he was among those players who took oath against Younis Khan but he later apologized to him.

  39. #39 by Omer on May 18, 2010 - 3:48 AM

    Khansahab,

    I somewhat agree with you on Fawad Alam, but I also think he is not made for 20/20. In fact he is not the most talented batsman around– when batting and seemingly struggling, he somewhat reminds me of my travails with mathematics. Talented mathematicians can see a donutt as a cup of coffee, and though I have ardently tried to see otherwise, all I can see when I see a donut, is a donut. In fact when you find that a programmer and a bulshitter seeing things faster than you (or at least pretending to), you know you can’t be closer to the ceiling. But then, the point, of course, is to be able to eat the donut, not to see it as a coffee cup.

    What I mean is that, in his strokemaking Fawad Alam is a pretty limited player, but he works pretty well with what he has. Most importantly, he makes runs. He should definitely be in the test team and could also be a gritty one day player. To omit him from the test squad because of 20/20 would be foolish.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 18, 2010 - 5:07 AM

    Omer

    The point is, can you eat the whole donut without sharing it with someone? Well, I certainly can share it with you. I will eat the donut and you can eat the hole. 😀
    How about that? Do you accept this deal? You see, you may be a good mathematician but, you may not be a good salesman. The salesman be it a car salesman or an electronic gadget salesman such as a computer salesman they all use the same technique i.e., talking bullshit most of the time and sometimes even they don’t know what they are talking about their own product.

    I was reluctant to buy on-line products because of the fear of getting it repaired in case of damage or defective product. And, I paid more money buying electronics from the stores and even buying their extended warranties. In other words I was a vic of those vultures. But, it took me some time and with experience I realized that all that shpeel they give is nothing more than verbose and you fall for it and end up paying high price for that crap that you hear from them. Whereas, when you buy products on-line the product specs are clearly written on the page. And, the best thing is there is no dealing with sales person’s bullshit, the extended warranty lies, pitches to buy accessories and they sell you those accessories at a very high price. Au contraire, when you go on-line, you choose what you want and you checkout.

    After constructing a seemingly senseless and long prologue with an avowed purpose to get your attention, now I’ll come to the actual point about Fawad Alam. 😀 Since you are a good mathematician you should also know that Fawad Alam got very few chances in T20 to prove his worth, he was sent late in the order when there were hardly a few balls left in the innings and you expect him to start hitting big? Like you’ve yourself said that Hussey takes his time to settle in and then goes for big hitting. Compared to Hussey how many chances Fawad Alam got? The answer is right in front of your eyes, since you are a mathematician and a statistician compare it and see and, then let me know.

    In those few matches he played his average is about 20 but his strike rate is pretty decent i.e., 129 which is better than Salman Butt, Shoaib Malik, Misbah ul Haq, Umar Akmal, Khalid Latif etc., and in those brief encounters he has so far hit 7 sixes in the total 14 innings he played. Considering that he hardly gets to play just a few balls it is pretty good strike rate. In Twenty20 his average goes up pretty decent i.e., 32 and his strike rate still remains the same. The reason for this is, he plays slightly above the batting order in Twenty20 as compared to T20.

    They include him in the team and he seldom gets a chance to bat or even bowl. Once in Toronto against Sri Lanka he came in when there were only 10 balls left and he hit 3 sixes and a four in one over, scored 23 not out in 8 balls to win a lost match for Pakistan and the irony is even Sohail Tanvir was sent above him and he got out for 2 runs and Shoaib Malik remained not out on 42 and got the man of the match award by climbing up on the shoulders of Fawad Alam.

    I agree with you that Fawad Alam is the most talented batsman around and he is also the most sparsely used player in T20 for whatever reasons best known to the selectors, captains, managers etc. I would say, give him a few chances like Misbah gets and send him at number 5 and see how much he would score and at what strike rate?

  41. #41 by Omer on May 18, 2010 - 5:22 AM

    Javed Khan,

    There is an average salesman, who is a bullshitter, and then there is the good salesman, who is a lot more convincing.

    Well, what I really mean is that, the selectors might be inclined to see Fawad Alam through the lens of 20/20, but he is a pretty able one day player and test match player. I recently saw Saad Shafaqat’s article, and he doesn’t think Fawad Alam should be in the squad. The problem is that, people may be inclined to judge test match performance through 20/20, which invariably is a game of power (if we look at what happened with Michael Clarke). Fawad Alam should definitely be in the test team in England against Australia, as no Misbah’s and Malik’s would make a difference there– pitches tend to allow swing and seam movement.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 18, 2010 - 7:19 AM

    Omer

    Marketing is not about product sales and service alone, “it is about the glory and grace of mankind.” The first transaction took place in the Garden of Eden when Satan convinced Eve and sold the apple from the forbidden tree, and she in turn convinced Adam to eat it and that was the second transaction that took place in this universe and we are still paying a price for that, and living on this planet Earth, perhaps we all may have been in the Garden of Eden and enjoying a good life, no fighting, no killing, peaceful life, no moulvis and good cricket, eh? 😀 A good salesman can sell refrigerators to Eskimos. Or, sell sand to the Arabs. And, the million dollar question is, how do you spot a phony salesman? If you can spot him as a phony then he is a phony salesman.

    As regards Saad Shafqat’s article, I dunno if you remember, he wrote a comment on our blog before he started writing on cricinfo. He is the same gentleman who wrote Javed Miandad’s autobiography. Anyways, that is besides the point, but everyone has his own view and that is just his view. I would say you try Fawad Alam in T20 on a regular basis and play him at number 5 for at least 6-7 matches and see how he performs. It is rather unfair to judge him on the basis of a few appearances and that too sporadically.

  43. #43 by Omer on May 18, 2010 - 7:48 AM

    Javed Khan,

    A good salesman doesn’t bullshit as much, and that is why (although not only why) he can convince the buyer to buy the product.

    Let me narrate my own example. Before applying for Master’s, I was involved in a bit of salesmanship for a year. There were like a couple of salesman, and I was someewhat assisting them.

    And, basically, we drove to a few places, Masacheussets, Connecticut, Pennsylvania and the like. I personally wasn’t involved in any selling, but from my experience, when you think outside of street selling, it is a totally different thing (and in street selling, bs works a lot). The two salesmen were quite contrasting– let me not dwell on how good/bad they were. Anyway, based on my experience, when a buyer wants to buy the product, he expects to be convinced. I realized when you are selling to a buyer who sells the same product (and has been probably importing/buying it for his lifetime), there is almost zero room for bullshit. Based on my experience, there are two things a buyer looks for:
    1) Cheaper price
    2) Getting a sense of why and how you can get him that cheaper price

    The first one is obvious. As he has certain clients, you are pretty much redundant if you can’t sell cheaper. Nobody wants to compromise something established without a valid reason.

    The next one is the tricker part, because he’ll try to draw you in a conversation and try to know why you can claim to sell to him the same product cheaper. He’d want to know how much you know about the product and whether you know what you are selling. This he’ll do by showing you different products of the same kind, just to get a feel of whether you know about that industry. He’ll try to put you on the spot for a couple of occasions at least. It is understandable, because when you sell him someething, he sells it to his clients further based on the initial commitment (everything works cyclically), and he doesn’t want to compromise on his commitment should someething go amiss. BS is the last thing he seeks– an average salesman can claim to sell heaven in a grain of sand, but a good one can explain why that one is the best grain of sand for that price.

  44. #44 by newguy on May 18, 2010 - 3:05 PM

    Javed,

    I too read the report that BCCI is taking disciplinary action of players involved in the brawl. These heros are no longer sad unlike the Hindi filmy heros of yesteryear, they want to go and have fun whether team won or lost.

    Apparantly what happened was that a group of Indian Americans, who obviously spent a lot of money to fly down from U.S.A to St. Lucia to watch the match, got really upset and they were in the pub. They started taunting Ravindra Jadeja, the nothing player who got so many opportunities to play for India and wasted them all. Nehra and Zaheer got involved and supported their friend and situation got bad.

    You may not remember this, but this same Ravindra Jadeja was involved in India losing in super eight last ICC T20WC. He was at the crease against England with a few runs needed and he could not get the ball away for four. He was also involved in few other ODI matches where he could not get the ball away for four. His bowling has never been a barn burner. When you come at #7 you expect that player to be a finisher, may be not Mike Hussey league, but at least capable of hitting a few fours, and sixes.

    There were so many questions on inclusion of Jadeja after last year debacle, yet this year he is included again. Is he so much more better than Irfan Pathan, a player who could genuinely hit the ball out of the park, and bowl decently. He is not. What about so many other players left behind, like Robin Uthappa, who is a genuine hitter of the ball.

    Naturally, fans get upset, and they may have taunted these nothing players. Another guy who got so many chances and yet not delivered is Yousuf Pathan. He has not had a decent 50+ score in ODI or T20 in a long long time. Yet, he is in the team.

    Dhoni says these are the best players in the country. If among a billion people in cricket crazy nation, this is all they could manage, then they have a huge problem with cricket administration.

    Anyhow, BCCI is giving only a warning and any future problems will get stricter action.

    Players like Yuvraj need to be send back to work harder at fitness and his game.

    BCCI should not only crackdown after a debacle, they should do something before it. First, start looking at developing IPL as a serious domestic competition, instead of just hype and making money. Get rid of player auctions, instead entry to teams should be based on performance, not hype.

  45. #45 by newguy on May 18, 2010 - 5:30 PM

    Did anyone else take note that England had 5 front line bowlers, while everyone else including Australia had only 4 and had to make shift with 1 part timer. India had only 3 front line bowlers, no wonder they were out early.

    Part timers release the pressure on opposition, in case of Australia, Shane Watson went for plenty, and then even front liners become less effective.

    England never let up pressure, since they had 5 front liners, plus one or two part timers if they needed.

    Dhoni should think really carefully about his batting special team, you need strong batting, but that alone won’t win competitions, you need to be good at everything. Just can’t hope to do poor bowling and fielding and then make up with batting.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 18, 2010 - 5:36 PM

    newguy

    Yes, I know that the fans taunted them but, these players should have taken it with a pinch of salt, but it appeared that the fans rubbed the salt on their wounds and the situation went out of control.

    Reportedly, Aamir Sohail also did something like this in Dubai when he was in the team. He went to one of the local club’s bar very, very late in the night and demanded them to serve him and proclaimed that he is Aamir Sohail. As if he is the King of England and when they didn’t serve him he started abusing them and they literally threw him out of the bar. Also, at one of the Pakistani businessman’s house where the Pak team was invited, Aamir asked for booze and girls and the host reportedly slapped him on his face and shoved him out of the house. Now, these players act like Gods and criticize others, whereas they themselves have done worst than these guys. Remember that incident of Wasim, Aaquib Javed, Mushtaq Moulvi and one more player were arrested in Caribbean for smoking cannabis on the beach and were held in the prescient for one night.

    Unfortunately the cricket boards and administrators of the board of the subcontinent are themselves very corrupt and weak and they don’t take severe action against the players when it is needed. And, they also favour and breed nepotism and favouritism instead of being fair and square in the selection process. Celebrity status comes ahead of everything. Wasim Akram was not severely punished by the then, Justice Qayyum and was pardoned because of his celebrity status. Malik now is a celebrity because of Sania Mirza and he will be pardoned and included in the team for the Asia Cup and for the UK tour. Whereas, poor Yousuf and Younus will be left behind. There is a lot of public pressure on the board to include Yousuf and Younus in the test team and if it continues then they might include them or at least one of them. But, Malik and Misbah are special cases, they are selected automatically at the expense of someone else.

    I wonder whether Danish Kaneria’s case is a deliberate attempt by the authorities in the UK to keep him away from the team selection because in the UK the pitches suits his kinda bowling especially in the test matches. We need to see what the PCB will do? They left no stone unturned in bring Asaf back from Dubai, but here they might give a blind eye towards Kaneria to keep Abdur Rahman and Saeed Ajmal in the test team.

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 18, 2010 - 5:45 PM

    newguy

    Ian Chappel mentioned this on the day of the final that England team is very balanced in terms of batting and bowling and they have 5 front line bowlers in Side Bottom, Stuart Broad, Bresnan, Yardy and Swann. Among the part timers they had Collingwood himself, Kevin Pietersen but neither of them bowled in the final but the third part timer Luke Wright was used only for one over and he took the important wicket of Cameron white.

    I agree that Shane Watson was the weak link in the bowling department and in 3 overs he gave away 42 runs that is more like Shoaib Akhtar and Sohail Tanvir. But, Australian front line bowlers viz. Johnson, Tait, Nannes do not have a big heart, once a batsman starts slogging them, they go back into their shell and give away more runs and seldom fightback with aggression. In other words they are “Ostroos” a cross between an Ostrich and a Kangaroo.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 18, 2010 - 5:50 PM

    newguy

    And, I agree with your views about not including Irfan Pathan or UthaPathha (Waqar Younus said, “This Robin is a good Batman.”) especially Irfan is tailor made for T20 because if he fails in his bowling he compensates with his batting but his Big Bro my name is YKP, is not worthy of inclusion in the team. He hits one or two huge sixes and then he is gone. I have never seen him scoring a fifty in T20, may be in the IPL he scored that fast century but that is IPL and not T20.

    I think India must remove Dhoni from captaincy, that celebrity status has gone into his head and he thinks very big of himself, he is not the same Dhoni who used to be, his image manager and PR manager have spoiled him rotten, there is too much of arrogance in his body language and even in his post match speeches. He is more of verbose than anything else. Constantly humiliating his bowlers by saying batting is our strength. If batting alone is the strength then why batting second they failed to achieve the targets on so many occasions?

  49. #49 by khansahab on May 18, 2010 - 6:09 PM

    Malik was a bad influence: Afridi, Yousuf

    Banned former captain Shoaib Malik was seen as a “negative character and a bad influence” on the Pakistan cricket team by senior players like Shahid Afridi and Mohd Yousuf, the leaked video of a PCB inquiry committee’s proceedings has revealed.

    The video has statements by Pakistan’s former coaches, Intikhab Alam and Aaqib Javed and players Rana Naved, Yousuf, Afridi and Malik himself. From their comments it becomes apparent that Malik is the most unpopular person in the team.

    Malik, who recently married Indian tennis star Sania Mirza and is serving a one-year ban for indiscipline, is described as an “intriguer” and someone who promotes politics.

    Malik along with four other players (the others being Younus Khan, Muhammad Yousuf and Rana Naved) were banned on the recommendations of an inquiry committee in March.

    And after listening to the comments about Malik, one committee member remarks, “Dimak ki tarah tha wo (He was like termite).”

    “He is a negative person and he creates problems. I wanted him to be sent back home,” former coach Intikhab Alam is heard telling the committee members.

    Former assistant coach Aaqib Javed also has no good words for Malik but insists that the all-rounder is not the only one creating disunity in the team.

    They also talk about how Malik faked an injury and refused to play on a green looking track in Queenstown at the start of the tour of New Zealand.

    Intikhab also complains about how Malik after, agreeing to bat at number three, refused to do so in New Zealand and also purposefully sat out from the second Test in Sydney against Australia.

    The comments made by former captain, Muhammad Yousuf about Malik reveal the strong differences between them.

    “He played politics all the time. Former Chairman, Dr Nasim Ashraf made a big blunder and hurt Pakistan cricket when he appointed Malik captain in 2007 when his place in the side was also not confirmed. This led to other players also believing they could become captain, it set a wrong precedent in Pakistan cricket,” Yousuf says.

    Malik in his deposition also has no complimentary things to say about Yousuf describing him as a man with many problems.

    “I went out during the water break in the Sydney Test in Australia on the final day and told him to attack Mike Hussey but he didn’t listen. His captaincy in Australia was pathetic, he has no confidence to take decisions,” Malik tells committee members.

    Malik said Yousuf started creating problems when he was dropped for the 2007 World Twenty20 Cup.

    “I was captain then and he blamed me for his ouster, when they dropped him that year for the World Cup,” Malik says.

    Malik also tells the committee members that he never wants to captain Pakistan again and just wants to play as an member of the team.

    “When I have no ambitions to be captain why should I create problems in the team? What purpose does it serve me?” he asks the committee members.

    Interestingly, Shahid Afridi, during his statement before the committee, also tells them that Malik indulges in back biting.

    “I told him clearly to his face that if continues this practice of his double standards he will not survive in the team for too long and I will not have him in the team if I am made captain,” says Afridi.

  50. #50 by khansahab on May 18, 2010 - 8:07 PM

    Kamran Akmal under Pak match-fixing cloud

    Pakistan cricket is in the midst of a fresh match-fixing controversy. A video of a recent meeting of the Pakistan Cricket Board inquiry committee shows Intikhab Alam and Aaqib Javed suspecting Kamran Akmal’s involvement in match-fixing during the team’s disastrous tour of Australia.

    A Pakistani TV channel aired the video in which Intikhab and Aaqib, who were coaches during the tour, are seen ripping the national team to shreds.

    They told the committee that they wanted to send Shoaib Malik back from New Zealand because of his negative personality but had to retain him on the insistence of captain Mohd Yousuf.

    Asked about the performance of wicket-keeper Kamran Akmal in the second Test in Sydney, where he dropped four catches and missed a run out, Aaqib categorically talked about match-fixing.

    “I have reservations over the way he missed the run out. When I saw it I couldn’t believe it. How he could miss such a big run out? I can’t say 100 per cent that there is match-fixing, but I have my strong suspicions,” he said.

    Intikhab’s statements too were along the same line. “Kamran is a match-winner but every time we came close to a victory, he played a bad shot and got out. I was flabbergasted when Kamran missed the run out. I have serious doubts about him. I have heard stories about match-fixing,” he said.

    The two also expressed suspicion about the performance of Rana Naved in a T20 match in Australia.

  51. #51 by M. Y. Kasim on May 18, 2010 - 8:23 PM

    Shahid Afridi, in a statement to the media before boarding the flight to London from St. Lucia has urged the senior players to retire from the game and has asked the Selection Commitee to blood younger players in the team in future.

    Let me ask this Akhroat, if you are so smart, then how come you cotinued selecting Misbah and Razzaq and nothing players like Hafeez, Khalid Latif etc.? What prevented you to include Hammad Azam even once and exlude Mohammed Sami and Fawad Alam from the team?

    He must practice what he preaches. If he does not have the guts to go against the Manager, Coach and Asst. Coach mafia and force his own decisions, then he must not open his mouth.

  52. #52 by khansahab on May 18, 2010 - 8:33 PM

    Butt likely to lead Pakistan in England

    LAHORE: Salman Butt has emerged as the very strong contender to lead Pakistan in test matches during tour of England.

  53. #53 by khansahab on May 18, 2010 - 8:35 PM

    PCB decides to take action against Afridi for blaming selection committee

    ISLAMABAD, (SANA): Taking notice of declaring the selection committee as responsible for the team’s defeat in World Twenty 20 Cup by captain Shahid Afridi, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) decided to take action against him at his return.
    The PCB also took notice of the statements made by Shahzeb Hassan and decided to issue letter to him.
    Chairman PCB Ijaz Butt and the Chief Operating Officer Wasim Bari declared the statements of the both players as violation of the code of ethics.
    Shahid Afridi, following the team’s defeat by New Zealand, had stated that he was not consulted in the matter of the selection of the team.
    The members of the selection committee, displeased over Afridi’s statement, adopted the stance that Afridi’s own performance was not like the past.

  54. #54 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 3:14 AM

    Mr. Kasim

    That Akhroat was NOT the only decision maker in the Caribbean, there were three other Musketeers namely, Waqar Younus, Ijaz Ahmad and Yawar Saeed the manager.

    Reportedly, Afridi did not want to go against any of these three Musketeers and the reason was, Afridi being a new captain selected under very critical situation and selected for this T20 WC only was very keen and interested in taking the team to the final, which he almost did. He did not want to create bad relations with the three musketeers because he has already seen what has happened to Yousuf and Younus?

    Misbah, Abdul Razzaq’s and Asif’s selection was imposed by this group of trio who were against Fawad Alam and even in trying the new blood Hammad Azam, instead they preferred the nothing player Khalid Latif.

    Like Mohammad Asif’s selection in the squad was very highly publicized that he will create havoc in the Caribbean and Umar Gul’s absence will not be felt. But, the reality is Asif is totally out of form and in the practice matches he was thrashed by the opposition. Then again when he was selected in the team because of media and public pressure, he again proved to be a disaster and Sami played better than him.

    Sami’s only crime that took him to the gates of Hell is his one over against David Hussey in which he gave 28 runs. Whereas Asif bowled every single ball very badly.

    Then, Sami was taken in the team once again because both, the bowling coach and fielding coach wanted to experiment changes in the bowling department. That brought Abdur Rahman in the match against SA and in the semi-final. The wicket suited his kinda bowling and his performance is satisfactory in my opinion except for the penultimate over of his quota in the semifinal where he gave too many runs. But, who didn’t give that many runs? Afridi, Aamer, Razzaq, Saeed Ajmal they all were expensive.

    There is no bravery in going against the mafia of the coach, assistant coach, bowling coach, Yawar Saeed the manager. Reportedly there was one more silent mafia coach i.e., Shafqat Rana who was sent by the PCB to do the back seat mothering. And, Ijaz Butt himself reached there before the SA match and interfered in the team selection and wanted Misbah in every single match. I think his statement to the media was hinting directly at Misbah whose performance was ZERO, in fact it was NEGATIVE.

  55. #55 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 3:26 AM

    khansahab

    What is the source of this information that you have copy pasted? I am referring to the one with the caption. “Malik was a bad influence: Afridi, Yousuf. “ It looks like what they (Intikhab, Aaquib Javed etc.) are saying is what we have been saying it right from the beginning. What took them so long to know Malik’s character? For the last 4 years I am referring him as a BIG TIME MEESNA. An intriguer, a negative influence on the team, a divider and he is more like a “Dog in the Manger.” Na khailenge, na khailne denge. That is his motive. Now after marrying Sania, he wants to come back in the team to tear it into pieces because now he has got that celebrity status because of his wife. I wonder when Sania will discover these KWALTIES of MALAK? And, what will be her reaction?

    We (my friends and I) were also discussing that it is very likely that the PCB will make Salman Butt the captain of the team for the UK tour. They wanted to make him since a long time because of his BIG BUTT but, his own butt was not finding a place in the team because of his poor performance. Now, that he is the top scorer in the batting department during the T20 WC, he is definitely the small Butt of the Big Butt. I have no doubt that they will do this. This will make Kamran Akmal, Umar Akmal, Saeed Ajmal, Abdur Rahman very proud and if Malik sneaks into the team, then this team should say Bye-Bye London. (Bye-Bye London is a famous Kuwaiti movie in Arabic, a must see).

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 3:44 AM

    khansahab

    I’ve read that statement made by Afridi, he is not making the selection committee responsible for the defeat, he is only suggesting that some of the seniors must go and they must select the young blood and there is no dearth in talents in Pakistan. I dunno how they can convert this statement as an offense against them? “Chor ki darhi may tinka.” They don’t want anyone to point their fingers towards them. They are ABOVE THE LAW. I think this MF Butt, Bari and his cronies must go. Enough is enough. The people should go out on the streets with banners and play cards against Ijaz Butt and demand his ouster.

  57. #57 by Omer on May 19, 2010 - 3:45 AM

    Its ridiculous to suggest not to have played Asif. Anyone can have a bad day and having a bad day in 20/20 is a common thing. Where they missed the trick was when they stopped playing Asif. Sami should never have been in the squad, his average is borderline 50 in test matches. And, the decision-making was totally flawed, Razzaq should have been sent up the order.

    Kamran Akmal shouldn’t be in the test match team (especially considering these matchfixing claims). He, like Hafeez and Misbah, needs some more time in domestic cricket.

    Waqar needs to realize who his best players are. In test matches it is Kaneria and Asif. Kamran Akmal makes Kaneria redundant. He shouldn’t play in test matches. I hope Waqar and company don’t get carried away with one 50.

    In England legspinners have done traditionally very well. When Pakistan plays Australia in England, Kaneria would be the key along with Asif. Kamran Akmal can’t take catches when Kaneria is bowling, he can’t read Kaneria, and he can’t take balls which don’t deflect of the bat, so how can he catch another sudden movement of the ball when the ball does deflect off the bat?

    Waqar needs to identfy his matchwinners and work around them. Umar Akmal should play attackingly like Pieterson and Sehwag, which is his natural game.

    We know that Misbah, Malik– these guys can’t bat in English conditions. Fawad Alam should be in the team, and other solid batsmen should be in the team. I don’t know what can Pakistan accomplish without Younis and Yousof– they should definitely be there.

  58. #58 by Omer on May 19, 2010 - 6:51 AM

    Javed Khan,

    http://www.cricinfo.com/world-twenty20-2010/content/current/story/460082.html

    If you read that link, you’ll see how Bollywood is impacting some of the famous personas in Indian cricket. I have also noticed this pheonomemon among Indians, they are very prone to superhero worship. Then they try to emulate the superheroes and try to become them themselves. In fact most of the good movies go unnoticed in India, and generally the ones that become ‘popular’ have some sort of superhero like the ‘HULK’. I can’t see why India in that sense is so distinct from Pakistan– in fact, to some extent, the Pakistani is a creature driven by his own ego, where all the faults are without, with the ‘superheroes’, and all the qualities within…

    If you notice the picture of this person I have here, you’ll see this is my ‘superhero’: And, it is so, because whenever I have played with him in that video game Street Fighter, he has made me win. Apart from him all my ‘superheroes’ are the people who display at least some capacity to think, not where they come from or what they can accomplish in movies. So, in cricket, I would usually cite Ian Chappel, whereas someone like Bhosle, always restating the ‘bleeding obvious’ (and sometimes the myth), is my ‘vllain’. In that sense I am a true contrarian, because I have noticed that cricket fans generally don’t appreciate Ian Chappel and find Bhosle as a jolly sort of personality.

  59. #59 by Mohammed Munir on May 19, 2010 - 8:25 AM

    First of all, making Salman Butt the captain for the England tour will be the biggest mistake of PCB. Not only have PCB changed several captains over the last few years (Malik, Younis, Yousaf, Afridi) but each one of them is mistreated and humiliated in his own way. Secondly, we will have long hard summers with very important and tough England and Australia series, which a new, inexperienced, younger captain and a mediocre opener and below-average player like Salman will never be able to handle. So PCB should open their eyes and continue with Shahid Afridi as regular captain for all three formats of the game.

    Mr. Kasim have raised some very good points above and I think Afridi was considered as a strong captain who has team of his choice, except for Abdul Rahman who came in place of Mohammed Irfan, whom Afridi, Waqar and Mohsin preferred. Afridi ‘may’ have issues with Ijaz Ahmed and Yawar, but he is definitely on good working terms with Waqar, who is much better coach and seem less bias then Intikhab/ Aqib Javed.

    The issue here is that now Afridi is talking about retirement of senior players and inducting younger blood, so then, why did he continue with Misbah and didn’t give any match to Hammad Azam or even Fawad was not adequately utilized ? Even if we agree, for argument’s sake, that Afridi would have been ‘influenced’ by strong coach/ team management into playing Misbah, Abdul Rahman, Khalid Latif, etc. then is this not the exact same mistake Younis Khan was committed, while he was captain ?

    The problem seems that Afridi started talking very highly about the ‘senior player’ before the start of this tournament. This is what Afridi said:

    “I believe that the main responsibility will be on the senior players. They are ones who have enough experience of playing in top-level events like the World Cup,” Afridi told the News. “Our senior players like Abdul Razzaq, Misbah-ul-Haq, Mohammad Asif, Umar Gul and Kamran Akmal will have to come out with their best in the West Indies. They are the ones who can inspire the young boys in our team to shine in the tournament.”

    He further said:

    “We have got a lot of firepower in our batting. We have the experienced Misbah-ul-Haq, Abdul Razzaq, young Umar Akmal, Khalid Latif and Salman Butt. As we expect spinning tracks, we have good options in Saeed Ajmal, Mohammad Hafeez and I. In the pace department we have Mohammad Aamer, Mohammad Sami, Mohammad Asif and Abdul Razzaq.”

    In both these comments, Afridi is repeatedly praising Misbah and Razzaq, while he is also mentioning Salman Butt and Khalid Latif. I haven’t seen him talking about Fawad Alam or even new guy Hammad Azam, why ?

    Another point is that Afridi was comfortable with Waqar as the main coach and appreciated him too. Plus they seem to work well with each other, along with Mohsin as Chief Selector, since they all went together and announced Sami and Irfan as replacements for injured Gul and Arafat. Although, Ijaz-the-Butt forced them to backtrack and include Abdul Rahman in place of Irfan, but at least it shows that among the three of them, they were on the same page and thinking in same lines.

    Before leaving for the World Cup, Afridi mentioned that, “We are fully equipped to face the challenges in the West Indies”. “I have a well balanced team in batting and bowling, and we have to further lift the standard of fielding.

    Which means that the team selection, preparation, coaches, senior players, almost everything was to the captain’s liking.

    I believe that actually Afridi himself could not perform well, and so may be it would have made him a bit under pressure and say what he said, after the semi-final. But to me, the team and players were more or less ok, while the captaincy was very good, and so Afridi should be allowed to continue as our one and only captain for the forth coming Asia Cup as well as the tough England and Australia series.

    To conclude it all, Shahid Afridi may not be the most perfect Captain, but he is downright and indisputably the best among the lot that Pakistan has on offer.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 11:08 AM

    Omer

    On paper it may appear as ridiculous that Asif sat in the dugout and was not in the playing XI.
    Your second sentence of that comment of yours, “anyone can have a bad day and having a bad day in 20/20 is a common thing.” That is exactly my point. Sami had one bad over against David Hussey. Otherwise, he bowled a zillion times better than Asif. The point is not about who is a better bowler, Asif or Sami? The point is, the Caribbean wicket was not helping Asif’s case, he could not get any movement or swing. Asif’s strength is he beats the batsmen with his swing bowling and he swings the ball both ways with the same action, which is a very good quality. But, unfortunately Asif’s form and the pitch both deserted him and he appeared like a very ordinary medium pace bowler like Abdul Razzaq who still managed to get a few wickets, but Asif was looking like a shadow of his past.

    When we talk about axing Kamran Akmal from test matches, do we have his replacement? I am not impressed by Sarfaraz Ahmad, he is not an international level wicketkeeper. I wonder if Pakistan has only one wicketkeeper and there is no one else in the country? England have found Kieswetter, he has shown a lot of promise and he is young, talented, committed and did a great job for England. Kamran Akmal too did well in the Caribbean I will accept one or two dropped catches but, overall he really did well. As regards those betting charges, he is innocent until proven guilty. Those who say he “may” have been involved in match fixing are also not very reliable people. Hence I do not want to axe him. But, Misbah definitely needs retirement. About Hafeez I have been saying that he is a bits and pieces player and good for domestic cricket only.

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 11:17 AM

    Omer

    Just for the records, it is Harsha BHOGLE and not Bhosle. I guess you have heard only Asha BhoNsle? Bhosle is also pronounced as BhoNsle …….. similar to the “NOON GHUNNA” in Urdu. Similar to the spoken Urdu of UP, India where Khan is also pronounced as KhaN (with a noon ghunna) Saab or KhaN MiaN.

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 11:34 AM

    Munir

    I agree with most of your views and it is good to see that you took time out to extract the quotes to make a point like a journalist. 😀

    At hindsight if you read those statements made by Afridi or any other captain made prior to the tournament, it is easy to find faults and draw controversies and negation in those statements as sometimes people do negate their own comments and statements. Perhaps we all do that.

    Now, if you see why he said that (the quotes you’ve mentioned above) can be justified or substantiated if you analyze it further. When a captain is about to leave the country with a team that is selected without his knowledge, consent and approval what do you expect him to say? These are the bunch of idiots I am taking with me to play the world cup and my side is very imbalanced and inexperienced and we will not win the world cup? Well, this may be my way of explaining things and situations in a rather exaggerated and sarcastic way. But, realistically speaking which captain has ever made negative comments prior to the game / tournament?

    If, he had said one negative word against the players, team or, coach, manager, selector or, if he had shown the slightest hesitation about the capabilities of his players the media, fans, general public in short everyone would have gone after him like vultures and tore him into pieces now. They (perhaps you too) would have dug out those statements he made and make a point again by saying, “He was negative, even before going to play the tournament he gave a very poor statement, he should have been positive and hopeful instead of being negative and helpless…… how can he lead a team if he is not happy with them?” These and a hundred other questions would have been raised. So, given the resources you have, you have to show a positive face, you have to instill energy and motivation in those lazy bones and butter fingers to field well and hold the catches, catches win matches and Pakistan doesn’t drop players who drop catches……they say, shaabaash, shaabaash. 😀

  63. #63 by Mohammed Munir on May 19, 2010 - 11:46 AM

    Arz Kiya Hai …

    Kiya Nazara Thaa Hamaray Match Ka … Faraz,

    Ek Taraf Micheal Hussey, Aur Ek Taraf 11 ‘Khassi’.

  64. #64 by Mohammed Munir on May 19, 2010 - 11:51 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Just read your last comment no. 62.

    The whole debate is NOT on what Afridi said right or wrong BEFORE the tournament, but what we are bothered about are his POST-Tournament comments.

    So, yes nobody would have liked him saying anything negative prior to the games, but trust me peoples like someone taking the blame and owning the full responcibility, which he could have done after the tournament.

  65. #65 by Mohammed Munir on May 19, 2010 - 11:58 AM

    I received an SMS on this BhoNsle, and would like to share it with you all …

    Appeal To All Pakistanis:

    Bhaaio Jung Mein Kuchh Nahin Rakha, Ammun Hee Sub Kuchh Hai. Yehi Baat Maan Kar Hee India Nein Pakistanion Ko Apni ‘Bachiyaan’ Deni Shoroo Kardi Hain. Jaisay Kay…

    Malik Kay Liye Sania Mirza,
    Akram Kay Liye Sushmita Sen,
    Mere Liye Katrina Kaif,
    Aur Tumharay Liye Aasha BhoNsle.

    Amman Ki Aasha Jagaao,
    India Sey Apney Liye ‘Bachiyaan’ Book Karwao. 😉

  66. #66 by newguy on May 19, 2010 - 12:41 PM

    Hi Guys,

    Couple of random comments.

    I agree that Aussie fast bowlers wilt under pressure if attacked, I think this is not just limited to Aussies though, in recent times all fast bowlers wilt under pressure when attacked. We notice Aussies because they are elevated to super human status by media and when they falter everyone notice, where as fast bowlers from other countries are expected to wilt under pressure. I would say Dale Steyn is an exception, if he is hit he goes back to his mark, thinking in his mind about what to do and try to come back with a better delivery.

    I don’t know if you noticed, Shaun Tait was using the “F” word to Kieswetter after the latter hit him for a four. Kieswetter hit the four and was running to the bowlers end, on passing him Shaun Tait looked at him and said “F*** you”, camera focused on his face, but the commentators did not bother.

    Regarding Ian Chappel, I like him as a commentator, and I am no fan of Harsha Bhogle, I think Ian Chappel calls it the way he sees, I don’t think he is overly biased, given most commentators are biased his is only moderate. He is also very knowledgeable about the game. Bhogle is very mild and I don’t think he has strong views, he mostly panders to whatever the bosses like or the public likes, it’s a business for him and he is not a cricketer. Ravi Shastri is a fine commentator as far as Indians go.

    Asia cup will start next month, and India will be playing Pakistan on June 19th. This is a big match, and India has a score to settle for Champions Trophy defeat. Their ODI record in Sri Lanka is very good in recent times. On last three tours, they won two ODI series against SL, and won the tri nation final. But as always past is past, they need to recover from the recent fiascoes and play to win.

    On other sporting events, World Cup Soccer will be starting next month as well, and it’s going to be a major event, as big as Olympics. It is the major sporting world cup as far as I am concerned, ODI WC next year comes second. I will be watching Soccer WC.

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 3:52 PM

    newguy

    Perhaps you did not see how Dale Styen was thrashed for 50 runs in 4 overs and Monie Morkel for 40 runs in 4 overs and that was the 18th match of the tournament against England who scored 168 in 20 overs and dominated SA throughout the match. The result of that pressure on their bowlers was felt by their batsmen also and apart from JP Duminy no one scored. And, that was Duminy’s best score in the tournament.

    Yes, I remember seeing Tait swearing at Kieswetter, it was very obvious and the good thing is the batsmen did not reply and slammed another four on Tait’s bowling. And, I loved it when Watson was thrashed again and again.

    About Asia Cup I have already written that Sri Lanka will not be easy to beat on their home ground and 50 overs is a different ball game. Pakistan has very slim chance of reaching the finals because the moment they arrive home they will be questioned, grilled, there will be politics for and against some players and the captain. Then, there will be doubt about the captaincy i.e., who should be the captain? Obviously it MUST be Afridi but, the PCB has already announced that they will question him for that statement about selection. And, there are rumours of Salman positioning his Butt towards the Bigger Butt …………. which is all not very good. India too is having problems at home with senior players not performing and Dhoni’s Dada Giri is at its peak and talks and rumours about stepping him down from the captaincy are going on, but India won’t make stupid moves like Ijaz Butt and the PCB cronies.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 3:58 PM

    Munir

    Jinka tum nay naam liya, wo bucchiyaan hain? Wo tou Haathi jayen, Ghoray jayen aur Oont Becharay ghotay khayen wali BhoNsliyan hain. 😀

    Ps

    Aman ki Aasha Jagaao
    Aur KLPD kha jao

  69. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 4:09 PM

    newguy

    On commentators, Ian Chappel has stood very unbiased during this tournament and even before he speaks through his heart and expresses his feelings and you are right that Harsha is not a cricketer and for him it is a job and he acts like a diplomat. I like Ravi Shastri and even Sanjay Manjrekar both are better than Rambo Ramiz Raja Phutta Baja. There was a time when Ramiz was OK but, now he is just another commentator. Nasser Hussain is fine but, I enjoy the Lancastrian accent of David Lloyd also known as Bumble especially when he calls Hussey as HOOSEY and Lookie for Lucky.

  70. #70 by Omer on May 19, 2010 - 5:16 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Asif was only played in one match though. The difference between Asif and Sami is that, Asif can take 3-4 wickets initially and win a match, whereas Sami consistently goes for runs. I don’t know why Sami is so ineffective at times– maybe because he doesn’t swing the ball?

    In any case from the test match point of view I wouldn’t play Kamran Akmal. Sarfaraz Ahmed can take catches, therefore he should play. And, the reason being that, in English conditions legspinners have done pretty good, and Kaneria would be the key against Australia.

  71. #71 by newguy on May 19, 2010 - 5:37 PM

    JAK,

    Yeah, I forgot Sanjay Manjerkar, he is very objective about it, and I also like Bumble Bee Lloyd, for his accent, and same for Jeffrey Boycott. Ramiz was OK early on, but nowadays he does not make sense. I never heard Waqar commentary, sounds like I missed a lot 🙂

    Good thing with ODI team, India will get Sehwag and Tendulkar back and with them around Dhoni’s dada giri will be a little lessor. I agree with a former comment of yours that his PR machine has confused the heck out of him. Now he talks about execution plans and other mumbo jumbo like a politician. I guess small village guys gets big prize and he suddenly can’t cop with it.

    On other news, Shoaib Mailk is being called a Termite. Now, where did I hear that first 🙂 I wonder how Sania will be feeling about her newly wed husband being called names like that by his fellow players. But, I am not going to judge her on a personal decision. I believe she wanted a liberal husband who will not control her in every matter, and that must be one good reason to marry Malik. I heard that she had another proposal from a rich Hyderabadi businessman, it was a big news item, but the guy wanted her to stop playing after marriage and stay home. I think very conservative outlook, so that did not work out, then she was under pressure to get a husband. Overall, Malik will be liberal and that may be all that matters.

    It’s a shame selectors are taking about investigation, they should now leave the team alone. The guys are looking like jelling together after that match against Pakistan and supporting each other. Last thing you want is a new captain and new investigations.

  72. #72 by Omer on May 19, 2010 - 7:05 PM

    Newguy,

    On Malik and Sania Mirza, I’d say, she married him because, he is somewhat better looking out of the two (on the balance), whereas he married her because, she is in the money right now and he’s out of it 😉

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 8:52 PM

    Omer

    Perhaps you are not aware that Asif played the warm up games too and in that he was very ineffective and the lone round match he played he continued that poor form and his bowling was looking pretty mediocre, that is the reason he was dropped. Waqar Younus himself is a good bowler and he must have seen that. So, why blame Afridi only for not playing Asif? Asif, if he takes wickets who doesn’t want a wicket taking bowler in the team? Abdur Rahman was a replacement for Sami because the wicket was helping the slow bowlers and he got two wickets against New Zealand and then he was selected in the match against SA as well as against Australia. Why don’t you see this positive aspect of his captaincy that irrespective of where he comes from, when he got wickets Afridi gave him more chances to play. Likewise, Afridi said, “When I heard Salman Butt is in the squad, I thought he will be there and may not play, but when I saw him playing in the nets and the way he was batting, I said, Salman you are my main batsman.”

    I won’t drop Kamran Akmal from any form of the game because of his current form, period.
    Sarfaraz is not an international level player. Please get unbiased and fair opinion from others and they will agree with me. I was against Kamran Akmal for dropping Hussey 4 times but, currently he is OK and I think he will not be repeating those mistakes again. He knows that if he does he will be out.

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 19, 2010 - 8:58 PM

    newguy

    It was Intikhab Alam the coach who said that about Malik and not the players.
    He did not call him a termite, but he said, “Deemak ki terha Dimagh Kha reha tha wo.” means he was eating brain like a termite does to the wood. It is a simile or, do you call it a metaphor? Anyways, Omer and I used to call Malik a “Girgit.” Lizard. He has snake eyes and when he is lying you can see the Adam’s Apple in his throat is going up and down and he starts to shake his neck forward and backwards like a lizard. LOL……. that is so obvious, how can anyone miss that? 😀

  75. #75 by khansahab on May 19, 2010 - 9:54 PM

    Javed A Khan

    When you said Sarfraz Ahmed is not an international standard keeper, did you mean “keeper” or “wicketkeeper-batsman”?

    At domestic level Sarfraz is the best batsman-keeper after Akmal. The problem is that if PCB try anyone else his batting will probably be worse.

    I am a firm believer in playing the keeper as the keeper, even if his batting is poor. To expect your keeper to be a batsman in my view is harsh and just releases pressure off your main batsmen to perform. Rather than look for someone who can score runs AND take catches, Pakistan should axe Misbah and other non performing players and give chances to deserving players.

    If your wicketkeeper is a proper batsman like Sangakkara, Dhoni, Gilchrist etc then you can play that keeper because his net utility will be high, meaning, if you can put a value on a player in terms of runs, it will be high. I sincerely hope Pakistan does not play Akmal in the ODI and Test series coming ahead.

  76. #76 by Omer on May 19, 2010 - 10:11 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I don’t care if Afridi is a pathan or not, in fact I supported his captaincy. But the point I am trying to make is that, at least one person, whether the coach or the captain, has to be tactically good. I mean why were Misbah and Hafeez never dropped (who are reknowned to be very average players) whereas Asif was dropped after one poor performance, when others’ performances were even worse. Razzaq was never promoted up the order– and he obviously wasn’t in the team to play the bits and pieces part that was ideally meant for Hafeez, he can be a genuine matchwinner up the order in 20/20s (and Hafeez was the one sent up the order). It is not that I like one player more than the other and then I try to promote that player, it is just that, when one player is a matchwinner and the other is not, I see their poor performaces distinctly: If Sami bowls bad in one match and Asif bowls bad in one match, I’d probably not pay attention to Asif’s poor performance as much as Sami’s. Because next time or the time after that, Asif would win a match and Sami would still have an average match at best. And, this is true, just look at the humongous distinction in their averages: Asif has an average of 21 in tests (one of the best in test history) and Sami has an average close to 50 (one of the worst in test history). In other words, at average, Asif bowls a team out at 210 in test matches and Sami bowls the team out at a score of 500. There is a huge difference between the two bowlers.

    As for Kamran Akmal, one fifty doesn’t change the fact that he can’t keep wickets against Kaneria, now lets see whether Waqar cares about Pakistan winning matches or selecting his favorites, whether they be Kamran Akmal or Mohammad Hafeez.

  77. #77 by khansahab on May 19, 2010 - 10:12 PM

    The issue of captaincy is being discussed. Most people consider that Pakistan’s performance was not so bad that players and the captain should be axed. However now the PCB is in a dilemma because under Afridi this team reached the semi-final.

    Whether Afridi will be selected for the Test assignments or not is unclear. Recently Ijaz Butt et al made statements that one captain will be appointed for all formats. But, at that time did he think that Afridi would be selected for Tests?

    I don’t know if Salman Butt is being considered as a candidate because people have predetermined that Afridi will not be selected for Tests. It will be interesting to see how the team will manage if Misbah and Malik are not playing. There is definitely a lobby which is trying its utmost to bring Malik back in the team, yet there has been copious evidence linking him with disharmony in the team.

    Umer Akmal will be the main batsman in that circumstance and hopefully Fawad Alam will also be selected.

    I think the team should be something like

    Butt
    Manzoor
    Afridi (captain)
    U Akmal
    F Alam
    Sheheryar Ghani
    Sarfraz Ahmed
    Aamer
    Gul
    Asif
    Kaneria

    This is of course assuming that none of Yousuf, Younis, Misbah and Malik are selected.

  78. #78 by Omer on May 19, 2010 - 10:15 PM

    Khansahab,

    When you said,

    “If your wicketkeeper is a proper batsman like Sangakkara, Dhoni, Gilchrist etc then you can play that keeper because his net utility will be high, meaning, if you can put a value on a player in terms of runs, it will be high. I sincerely hope Pakistan does not play Akmal in the ODI and Test series coming ahead.”

    I totally agree with you. Kamran Akmal, after making one fifty in 5 matches, is suddenly being mentioned of as though he is Adam Ghilscrist. But all these players that you have mentioned above, are two times better than Kamran Akmal, both as batsmen and as wicketkeepers.

  79. #79 by khansahab on May 19, 2010 - 10:43 PM

    Omer

    I usually took Ryu in Street Fighter and pretty much won with him all the time irrespective of the difficulty setting.

    I had most fun with Zangiff.

    Do you play wrestling games?

  80. #80 by Omer on May 19, 2010 - 11:03 PM

    Khansahab,

    I used to take Ryu as well, but in the new version of Street Fighter, Sagaat had such a powerful kick, that that is all that needs to be done– pretty much stand and kick. So, if any other character jumps and comes towards you, you kick. And, if he moves closer, then Sagaat has the best reach, and you still just kick. With Zangiff you can’t play against Sagaat, because Zangiff has wrestling moves and he needs to come close to be able to implement them, whereas Sagaat can kick before Zangiff can get close enough.

    What type of wrestling games? I have played WWE.

  81. #81 by Omer on May 19, 2010 - 11:56 PM

    Khansahab,

    I’d say Afridi should be in the test team as an all rounder. He averages 37 in test matches with the bat, that is more than Misbah or Malik. And, then he bowls as well, which is crucial as Pakistan would probably also need a fifth bowler.

    Afridi would be the ideal choice for captaincy, but if someone tactical like Rashid Latif were there, then Pakistan might be able to do well. This is how England always wins from Australia (in recent history), if we go to the BBC sports cricket blog, they’ve got almost each and every Australian player worked out. England are probably tactically the best team. If Waqar could analyze the videos of Ashes and how each Australian player was set-up, then Pakistan can do the same and probably be more competitve against Australia.

  82. #82 by Mohammed Munir on May 20, 2010 - 10:28 AM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ ‘Bachiyaan’ and their definitions. 😉

    LOL @ KLPD. I hope everyone around also understands this. 😆

  83. #83 by Mohammed Munir on May 20, 2010 - 10:30 AM

    Newguy …

    I am happy to see you prioritizing football ahead of cricket. In my house, I am the only one who likes cricket more, while my dad as well as my elder son, follow football more then cricket. They see cricket as second option and their main interest is in football, which also makes me to like the game.

    Football World Cup is always a major event in our house and dad who follows all the matches, besides recording a few important ones. My dad is one of the biggest fans of Brazil team, although he watches all games even when minnows are playing. I too like the South American style of football more where shorter passes, dribbling, team combinations and softer approach to the game prevails, then the much faster and tougher European version. I mainly like Brazil, but also follow Argentina, Italy, France and few others teams.

    The World Cup being in South Africa this time, the timings of all the matches will suit us in Dubai very well as we are 2 hours behind SA time and so almost all the games will be in the evenings.

  84. #84 by Mohammed Munir on May 20, 2010 - 10:31 AM

    We have all started discussions about the Australia and England series, while immediately on hand, we have Asia Cup in Colombo. It seems like nobody is really interested in Asia Cup, whereas at least our game with India will be fascinating enough 🙂

    Coming back to our English Summers …. I would love to see Afridi in the test team and definitely as a captain for all 3 formats, however, not batting at no. 3 in tests as suggested above. I think Afridi will be better-off playing late in the order, and we should also have Younis as well as Yousaf in the team. But both ‘Y & Y’ should play as regular players and not as captains, because they are both very good players and are almost indispensable for our test/ ODI teams, however, they are not good leaders.

    I am not much convinced with Kamran Akmal in the tests, but I tend to agree with Javed that we don’t seem to have any better keepers around and his batting skills and also experience are additional advantages which tip the scale in his favour. Having a long and hectic summers ahead of us, I think it will be a good idea to take Sarfraz along with the squad, which will keep the pressure on Kamran and we shall also groom Sarfraz and give him more exposure in side game, at least.

    Bowling wise, our first line options will have to Aamir, Gul, Asif, Kaneria, and Afridi, whereas Fawad Alam and Younis Khan can support the main bowlers. Our second options should be Saeed Ajmal, Mohammed Irfan, Razzaq, etc.

    On these lines, I would like to see our team as something like:

    Salman Butt
    Fawad Alam
    Younis Khan
    Umar Akmal
    Mohammed Yousaf
    Shahid Afridi
    Kamran Akmal
    Mohammed Aamir
    Umer Gul
    Danish Kaneria
    Mohammed Asif

    In the same batting order, as given.

    While for our bench, we should have the following on tour:

    Hammad Azam
    One more batsman (Manzoor, Shahzeb, Khalid, Hafeez, Misbah, etc.)
    Abdul Razzaq
    Saeed Ajmal
    Mohammed Irfan
    Sarfraz Ahmed

    It’s a squad of 17 members, as Pakistan had earlier taken 17 players for their overseas tours, further it’s going to be a long summers so it is better to be prepared with a few extra players in the squad. Although, I have included Misbh, however, he should not be made an automatic choice in the playing eleven and can be kept as a reserve just in case any of our main players are injured or if they are out of forms.

    The problem with the Pakistani players is that they take their place in the team for granted as there are not enough replacements from other good players and this is when they start relaxing. Therefore, it will be a good idea to keep them on their toes and fighting hard for their places in the teams.

  85. #85 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2010 - 11:52 AM

    It seems like nobody is really interested in Asia Cup, whereas at least our game with India will be fascinating enough 🙂 Munir

    Who says? Please scroll back and read, I wrote about Asia Cup and even the date June 19th for India Pakistan match and then, newguy also wrote about Asia Cup and he said he is keen to see that match (HOPE IT DOESN’T RAIN) and he gave his views that Sehwag and Tendulkar will be back in the team and it won’t be as weak as the T20 team etc. etc. And, I wrote that Sri Lanka are preparing well ahead for the 2011 ICC WC because, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand and Sri Lanka will be playing their matches in Sri Lanka and beating Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka is not an easy task. And who knows Murali will come back from his retirement?

    MISBAH in your team?
    Come on, get old Javed Miandad in his place and he will play better than Misbah even today.

    Instead of Sarfaraz Ahmad as the second wicketkeeper, I think they must get in Waqqas or whatever his name is and Mr. M. Y. Kasim has been talking a lot about him.

    Ps.

    That abbreviation is not meant for everyone around. So, let it be and its not a kids joke anyways! 😀

  86. #86 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2010 - 12:02 PM

    Only aggression can help us end Aussie jinx, says Afridi

    GEO NEWS:

    KARACHI: Shahid Afridi has always been an ambitious man and now at 30 and in his final years as an international cricketer, the flamboyant all-rounder has made it his mission to help Pakistan overcome what he describes as their ‘mental hang up’ when it comes to playing against Australia.

    Over the years, Pakistan have become Australia’s favourite bunnies, having failed to record any worthwhile results against the mighty Aussies. On their last tour to Australia which concluded last February, Pakistan suffered a humiliating whitewash at the hands of Ricky Ponting’s men and lost all their tour matches.

    More recently, Pakistan came agonisingly close to breaking the Australian jinx before falling to their nemesis in the World Twenty20 semifinal in St Lucia last week.

    Afridi, Pakistan’s Twenty20 captain, told ‘The News’ in an interview here on Wednesday that the narrow defeat almost broke his heart.

    “I would have been left completely shattered but what gave me hope was the fact that we played aggressive cricket and a victory against Australia was within our reach,” said Afridi, who arrived home after leading the defending champions to the World Twenty20 semifinals in the Caribbean.

    “It would have been great had we go on to win that match but once again the Australians proved that they are still the best in the world.”

    Afridi said that it was now his mission to ensure that somehow Pakistan go on to avenge their losing streak against the Aussies.

    “I must make it clear that beating Australia will never be easy. But I’m also confident that we can do it. What we need is to overcome our mental hang up and just play brave cricket,” he stressed.

    “The thing is that the Aussies are mentally very tough and the only way to beat them is by going out there and giving it our best shot. You have to be really aggressive against that team because there is no other way to tackle them.”

    Afridi said that he would preach the message of “sticking to aggressive cricket” among his teammates. “I believe that offence is the best defence especially against a side like Australia.”

    The skipper said that Pakistan will have to end their losing streak against Australia if they want to improve their performance graph.

    “I believe that if you keep on losing consistently to a particular team, your confidence takes a beating. The only way to overcome such a situation is to confront that team and win against it.”

    Pakistan will get an opportunity to do that when they meet Australia in two Twenty20 Internationals and two Tests in England later this summer.

    Afridi made it clear that Pakistan’s best chance of ending their poor run against Aussies will come in the two Twenty20 games. “It would take a gigantic effort to beat Australia in the Test series but Twenty20 cricket is a different story. We have a very good team for the shortest format and can beat any opposition on our day.”

    He made it clear that Pakistan will have to ensure that they capitalise on the opportunities which come their way.

    “It’s not that the Aussies are unbeatable. They have been giving us plenty of opportunities in the past but we’ve failed to exploit them so far.”

    Reverting to the World Twenty20 in the Caribbean, Afridi said that his team did well in the tournament.

    “We played good cricket. Against England we dropped too many catches. We lost a very close match against New Zealand but bounced back to beat South Africa in the Super-Eights.

    “We almost won our semifinal. I must say that had we won against Australia and lost the final it would have been acceptable to me.”

    Chasing a tough target of 192 in the semifinal, Australia stormed to an improbable victory thanks to a stunning 24-ball 60 by Michael Hussey, who hit 18 in the final over bowled by spinner Saeed Ajmal.

    “It was simply unbelievable,” said Afridi, who refused to blame Ajmal for the defeat. “Hussey was at his best. He just took the match away from us single-handedly and there was little Ajmal could do to stop him.”

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2010 - 12:13 PM

    MY APOLOGIES

    Earlier when I read the brief news on this blog about Intikhab Alam saying some of the players are retarded, my initial response was against Intikhab Alam. But, now I have read the whole report after the video leaked out and what Intikhab Alam said and in what context is very different. He was referring to the level of education and the attitude of some players who fail to comprehend the basics and behave like retards.

    Since a very long time I have been ranting on various cricket blogs that the players needs to be educated and groomed. Not for the sake of giving post match speeches but, for understanding game planning, strategy and man management, it helps not only the captain but, all other members of the team. The Pakistani team may be very talented in terms of playing. But, they do not understand the basics of handling a situation. For this they need education and open mind to understand how to tackle opponents and to know their own strengths and weaknesses rather than simply hitting their head on a wall to break it, there are other better ways to do it. The Australians do it better than Pakistan because of their mental strength and for that you need to use your gray matter.

  88. #88 by Omer on May 20, 2010 - 2:08 PM

    Javed Khan,

    BTW I totally forgot to tell you the story about the bullshitter.

    Recently I was ‘caught in a loop’ with a programmer and a bullshitter in a group assignment. I suppose what transpired was absolutely fascinating and I’ll imprint that here in the annals of legslip history.

    So, our bullshitter, the sultan of an accounting firm, insisted that we meet him in his box and I had to reluctantly oblige, this being a group assignment and driven by the principles of democracy. And, when I entered the bin, I was fascinated by his dazzling and swirling 40-inch exterior consuming half the space, which was only exceeded, in inspiring awe and wonder, by his yet-to-emerge, wonderful interior: With his waist swirling side-ways and a juvenile sparkle in his eye, his hand on his chin ala-Socrates, he said, “We are going to be creative today”.

    After 6-7 hours of contemptlating and ‘being creative’ we had figured out what we knew to begin with, and not knowing an ayota more than what we initially did, we divided our tasks in the most effecient way possible: The programmer jumped on the machine to collect the data, and the bullshitter pondered the most innovative way to write an introduction using bullet points, whereas I was given the mundane task of writing the methods section. Incidentally, we were using accounting measures to predict outcomes, of which the manager in the accounting firm obviously had no idea about, and when I might have said something about what they imply, the programmer wholeheartedly appreciated my ability with the ‘ratios’. The most inspiring aspect, I suppose, of the day was, the consistent insistence of our slightly heavier version of Warren Buffet, claiming time and again, “Maybe we could buy this guy, maybe we could buy that guy”.

    Human beings are creatures driven by mistique, they are seekers, they strive for the unknown– and in that sense I had failed my ‘superiors’: I wrote the methods section, as I usually write, in a way that they, or for that matter any person who had nothing to do with statistics, would be able to understand, but apparently they shunned it and didn’t find it ‘mysterious’ enough. In any case, as it should have become obvious by now, I am inclined to think, that I might have more talent with the other side of the brain, and I have been practicing, quite noticeably, satire and creative writing for the past few days, and if I were to write a novel one day, consistent with the tradition of arts people, these would be my villains. And, the greatest evidence that I find of my abilities with the other side of the brain is with a quick glance at my undergraduate transcripts: That is the side of the brain with which I have fought more ardently against As and Bs.

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2010 - 3:49 PM

    nice bullshitting Omer 😀

    It goes to prove that creative capacity is not a rare species of ability only to be found among the genius or, the most intelligent people but, it is widespread. I can say for sure that freedom of expression is the matrix and when there are two different matrices or opposites work together, the results are much better than those who have great compatibility and like mindedness. Because, like mindedness creates complacency whereas the other breeds creativeness and brings the best out of them. Human brain is an enigma, we hardly use it, but the more we use it and the more mysterious it sounds.

    Are you a lefty or a right handed person or ambidextrous? The reason I am asking you this question is to understand your brain functionality, I am sure you know where the linguistic capabilities are and how the brain uses it? If you are able to simply the mysterious, which according to you, “any person who has nothing to do with statistics would be able to understand,” it means you are a naturally gifted person. And, this is not just restricted to stats or numbers it is the same with words. Whoever is able to simplify the difficult and abstract words into simple and concrete language, which is understood by a lame person – is also a very intelligent and gifted person. Alexander Pope said:

    “Where words are bound
    Little sense is found.”

  90. #90 by Mohammed Munir on May 20, 2010 - 3:50 PM

    Javed Khan …

    I have given a squad of 16 players for the England/ Australia series, plus I have included 5 extra batsmen to select ONLY ONE out of them to make it 17 members and out of those 5 extra batsmen one is Misbah 😉

    I don’t like Misbah but the problem with PCB is that they rotate the same useless players so much and don’t bring in new faces which make us fans feel as if we don’t have enough resources and so we go to these spent-forces again and again.

    Btw, I can remove Misbah from those 5 extra batsmen and include Imran Farhat, who played ok on our NZ and Australian tours. Say what now ? 😉

    Other then Misbah, what do you think about my selection of 17 members in general ?

  91. #91 by khansahab on May 20, 2010 - 6:00 PM

    Omer

    I have not played Street Fighter 4. But, I have played most of the Street Fighter games that precede that. I always had a lot of fun playing with Zangiff because his moves were the most realistic amongst all the fighters. And, although I don’t like watching wrestling, I like playing wrestling.

    I am currently playing WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2009 and TNA Impact. The WWE game is phenomenal. There are so many moves and so many options to consider before executing your next move. My only complaint is that it is too violent. But then, that is how real wrestling is nowadays.

  92. #92 by khansahab on May 20, 2010 - 6:02 PM

    Munir sahab

    Is “YousAf” the right spelling for that name?

  93. #93 by Omer on May 20, 2010 - 6:45 PM

    Khansahab,

    You play it on the PC?

    I have played WWE but I am not sure if thats the exact same one. Well, Undertaker was really good in that one.

    Anyway, which good models currently have your attention?

  94. #94 by Mohammed Munir on May 20, 2010 - 7:11 PM

    KhaNsahab …

    The fact is that there can never be any correct spellings of an Urdu/ Arabic name in English, simple as that.

    If some say “Umer”, others spell it “Umar”, still others write it as “Omer” and some more do with “Omar”. Now you tell me, which one of these four is correct and why ?

    Similarly, we can write Mohammed, Mohamed, Mhohammad etc. and I think all are can be correct.

    Whereas YousAf can also be spelt as YousUf or YousEf and somtimes even as YouCef, YoOsef, etc.

    BTW, for your name why do you spell SahAb, and not SahEb or SahIb ? 😆

    So you see there can never be any one correct version.

    The problem is not only with foreign names but also with English spellings. Because if B.U.T is “but” then why P.U.T is “put” ? 😉

  95. #95 by khansahab on May 20, 2010 - 8:21 PM

    Munir sahab

    I get your point. However, “Umer”, “Omer,” and “Umar” are pronounced exactly the same way, but “Yousaf”, “Younas”, “Asaf” etc are pronounced differently.

    There is only one way the name “Yousuf” is supposed to be pronounced whether you spell it as “Yusuf”, “Youcef” or however, but when you start inserting “a” where “i” needs to be inserted, then the pronunciation changes drastically.

    This is a subjective assessment only and I agree with you that names can be spelt differently.

  96. #96 by khansahab on May 20, 2010 - 8:24 PM

    Omer

    I bought a Playstation, bakaouz on the PC you can’t play wrestling properly.

    I have not looked for models for a long time. If I see a nice looking girl in a movie/ad/drama etc I try and search her on google. But there is no one in particular. I see so many hot women on a daily basis in my professional life that I sometimes I feel I don’t need to look on the internet to gratify myself.

  97. #97 by khansahab on May 20, 2010 - 8:38 PM

    It is rumoured that PCB will appoint Afridi as captain for the Asia Cup.

    Meanwhile, reportedly the Pakistan team management is requesting Shoaib Akhtar’s inclusion for the Asia Cup. Afridi and Razzaq are expected to announce their unavailability for the Tests in England.

    Salman Butt is considered to be Pakistan’s next Test captain.

  98. #98 by Mohammed Munir on May 20, 2010 - 9:43 PM

    Khansahab …

    My understanding and ‘subjective assessment’ on this issue of ‘A’ and ‘U’ is different from yours. I think in case of these 3 names you mentioned if one puts ‘U’ in place of ‘A’ then one have to open his mouth wider for correct pronunciation, same like in ‘bAt’ or ‘bUt’.

    Check these names now and see which suit you more:

    Asaf or AsUf ?
    Younas or YounUs ?

    In same way if we use U in YousUf it becomes more harsher then in YousAf or YousEf.

    I apply the logic of A & U as in following words:

    Bat – But.
    Hat – Hut.
    Cat – Cut.
    Lamp – Lump.

    Similarly, fat, jam, pan, map,sat, vat, rat, etc. while on the other hand nut, gut, jump, fuss, shut, etc.

  99. #99 by khansahab on May 20, 2010 - 10:05 PM

    Munir sahab

    Would you ever spell or pronounce Malik as “Malak”, Asif as “Asaf” and Younus as “Younas”?

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 20, 2010 - 11:58 PM

    Munir

    If you cannot take a hint from khansahab’s comment as to why he is questioning you about the spellings, then there will be no end to this discussion bakaoz there is a lot of “confu-yen” while watching Tele-We-yen in that Poi-yen 😉

  101. #101 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 1:47 AM

    newguy

    This is what happens when you keep saying one thing again and again and again…….. even lies become truth and someone else’s quote becomes yours and things like that ………… See what Harsha Bhogle wrote in his article and this is Dhoni’s effect on Bhosle’s psyche.

    http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/459511.html

    Dhoni’s words of wisdom became the first reason for India’s failure that the fast bowlers were not effective.

    The third point he wrote is about Indian batsmen were unable to play rising deliveries not admitting directly that the so called GREAT BATSMEN are not actually great and the so-called STRENGTH is actually a WEAKNESS.

    We have discussed this subject of tackling the rising ball a few times on our blog and not only Indian but, Pakistani batsmen also duck under a reasonably OK bouncer which is NOT a no-ball. They not only avoid it but, they hope the umpire will rule it as a no-ball. What happened to the skills of hooking a bouncer? I think this reverse sweep, paddle shots and Dilscoops have ruined the skills of batsmen who experiment these silly shots and avoid the rising ball. Afridi used to go after every rising ball either over the point or, deep fine leg or a pull shot over the square leg. But, now the moment he sees a small and slow bouncer he ducks. This happens when the batsmen is not confident about his batting and about his place in the team. But, suddenly the rush of blood and madness prevails they jump on the other side and try to reverse sweep and take risks. Most of the time it is not a boundary, its either a single or a wicket.

  102. #102 by newguy on May 21, 2010 - 3:18 AM

    JAK,

    I don’t pay serious attention to Harsha Bhogle, he first checks which side is of bread is buttered first. To begin with, Indian team to go for T20 WC was pretty weak among all the other teams, so it’s actually not a big surprise they failed. Mostly people were thinking of big names like Dhoni and Yuvraj when they thought Indian team is strong, but they had only reputation, but not form going into the tournament. Secondly, the young guns are undercooked and under talented. Thirdly, they lacked commitment, if they had the last part they could have made up for lack of talent, skills, and form somewhat.

    So, it’s not a big deal, media is making a huge deal out of it, it’s all about keeping expectations in check, they should have expected this to begin with then they would not be disappointed so much.

    Problem is they talk about India team as if the Test team, ODI team, and T20 are one. Test is totally separate with only 4 players in T20 and ODI teams regulars, that too they are not the senior players like Test, players like Dhoni and Gambhir are second string to Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, and Laxman. Dhoni don’t even have to contribute with bat in Tests mostly. ODI team also has Sehwag and Tendulkar ar top, and Tendulkar in particular has been a main stay of India ODI team win in recent times.

    So, this team depend a lot of these “old” players to succeed and then they also act like super heros. Fact is without pressure relief from Sehwag and Tendulkar in batting line up the young guns fall flat. It’s a learning process.

  103. #103 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2010 - 5:02 AM

    Khansahab …

    I am writing on this blog for several years now, have you ever saw meet spelling Malik as “Malak”, Asif as “Asaf” or even YounEs as “Younas” ?

    In fact I have seen you more often than me using that “A” when you write ‘PakAstan’. 😉

    Still to me “MalUk” will be more wrong than ‘Malak’ and “AsUf” more than ‘Asaf’.

    Finally, I think the name YousUf is wrongly pronounced with ‘U’ as well as with ‘A’ or even with ‘O’. I have lived all my life in UAE and I heard this name ‘YousUf’ from Arabs, since this is actually an Arab name and neither a PUNJABI and nor an URDU (Karachi) one, and the Arab always pronounce it as “YousEf” and not as ‘YousUf’.

  104. #104 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2010 - 5:16 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I know what Khansahab is hinting with his above argument but then U or A doesn’t change a thing for me. 😉

    The unfortunate thing is that I wrote some lengthy comments on cricket and our squad for the summers, but all that Khansahab could pin point was the differences between ‘U’ and ‘A’. I hope next we see a new thread from Khansahab on the “Correct Uses of Letters U and A”. 😆

  105. #105 by Omer on May 21, 2010 - 5:33 AM

    Javed Khan,

    I am right-handed, but whenever I take the right-brained, left-brained tests, it comes out close to 50-50– in essence, a useless brain. In fact now I think the whole right-brained, left-brained thing might not be right– neither do I see the whole, nor the part alone– I see the part, the whole, then the part, then the whole, then the part, and then the whole, and so on. In other words, to see the part, I have to see the whole, and to see the whole, I have to see the part. You see why I say I might be better off with creative writing? And, after all that effort, I forget the frigging equations…

    I think you missed the point completely there– I had tried to avoid typing equations that I didn’t understand and, hence, it was good enough for my team-mates or for that matter anybody 😉

    Btw I think Khansahab is definitely the analytical type, meaning leveraged towards the left side of the brain, but you seem like that rare commdity, the right-brained person, who sees the whole picture before the part..?

  106. #106 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 10:12 AM

    newguy

    your analysis about the Indian team is on spot.
    India really needs someone like Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly and Sehwag. Without these 4-5 big guns the team is very unreliable and I can see what you mean by reputation, its true that in a 50 over match or in the test team if these big guns don’t play, then India’s team will be just like the T20 team. The “learning process” needs to be slow and gradual and the induction of young blood along with the seniors must be paced slowly, if you shove in too many young and inexperienced players at one time, then the performance is erratic and that is what is happening to India and the Pakistan team.

    Like in Pakistan without Yousuf and Younus there will be no backbone in the test team. Pakistan is yet to find a reliable opening pair and because of that, the middle order comes under pressure straightaway. With Inzamam, Y&Y there was stability in the team and the late order comprising of Afridi and Razzaq were too dangerous in a 50 over game.

    I doubt that Pakistan without these seasoned middle order players plus, Afridi and Razzaq are going to announce their retirement from test cricket, Pakistan team will be very weak and they could hardly beat even a team like Bangladesh let alone tackling England and Australia. And, Ajmal’s dream of taking revenge from Hussey will remain a dream of his life, but right now Hussy is a nightmare for him.

  107. #107 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 10:22 AM

    Munir

    Jahan tak “tallafaz” ka ” tallak” is subject ko yaheen per chor dou. 😀 I don’t think khansahab was seriously criticizing your A, E, I, O, U, these are just vowels and you can never translate foreign words in English and expect it to have the correct pronunciation. It is just his sarcastic sense of humour which you should take it with a pinch of salt (and Shan masala) 😀

    On Afridi and Razzaq announcing their retirement from test cricket, they are making Malik and Misbah’s case easy. The PCB will definitely bring them back because Y & Y are also not there in the test squad. It will be like, “Ooongtay ko Thailtay ka bahana” for the PCB, And “Doobtay ko tinkay ka sahara” for M&M.

  108. #108 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 10:52 AM

    Omer

    Your “useless brain” is a useless novelty. This is real: In the Sharjah Souq (market) there used to be a novelty shop owned by a Pakistani and the name of the shop was “Useless Novelty Store.” Out of curiosity, one of my friends one day asked the owner, what prompted you to chose this name? The owner replied, “when I was young, I saw a Inglish Filam and in that, the Hero’s name was Useless and he impressed me and I have “daddy-cated” this store in his name.” He meant Ulysses 😀

    Anyways, its good to know that your brain, despite being useless is still in the right place unlike Pathans, whose Akhroat brain is in their Tuqna (ankles). Perhaps they must have also seen the movie Helen of Troy and saw how the invincible Achilles was killed by a poisoned arrow that was shot in his heel. I am sure you know the story? According to the legend, Thetis the mother of Achilles wanted to make Achilles immortal hence she dipped Achilles when he was a baby in the River Styx by holding the heel of Achilles – like the way the Christians baptize babies – and that part of the heel which was held or not dipped into the water was the vulnerable or weak spot where a poisoned arrow was aimed at to kill Achilles, who died prior to the fall of Troy. Interesting movie.

    About how the brain works? First we need to understand what is perception and then the functions of the “mysterious gray matter called, the brain.”

  109. #109 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2010 - 11:24 AM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ Shan Masala.

    BTW, in Pakistan there is a special TV Channel called “Masala TV”, which is fully dedicated to cooking/ receipes/ eatings/ kitchen etc. There are many male/ female chefs, cooks and ‘food experts’ (those who cook but don’t have any official certificates). We get it in UAE and I have also subscribed to this channel on ‘Home Ministry Demand’. 😉 I don’t know if you get this channel in Canada/ USA.

    Razzaq is not a must for test, but he ‘can’ play, but Afridi is a must for his bowling and most importantly for his leadership/ captaincy. It will be a big loss if Afridi and Razzaq retired from tests.

    Secondly, if PCB can not bring in Younis & Yousuf and also Afrid & Razzaq are not there, then I think the best thing for PCB is to make some excuse and call the tour off. Playing without Younis, Yousuf, Afridi and Razzaq will be a waste of time and a recipe for a total humiliation.

  110. #110 by newguy on May 21, 2010 - 12:37 PM

    JAK,

    What is happening with Yousuf and Younus in Pakistan cricket is beyond my comprehension. Here is two of your best Test players of this generation, and on a technically challenging tour like England you need these two players in the middle order. As everyone with basic cricketing knowledge knows, middle order is the meat of Test batting line up. The best players are always at #3, #4, and #5.

    Y & Y are the best of the Test players, and Pakistan need them on the tour of England.

    Young team is all fine, but as you said they need to be mixed up with seniors and slowly find their place. Australians do this, they don’t leave their younger players to take over one day. Ricky Ponting is staying on with Test team after many seniors retired and bringing younger ones up to the mark. Australia lost their place in Test cricket, but they are still hard to beat because they still have their best middle order batsman in the team.

  111. #111 by newguy on May 21, 2010 - 12:48 PM

    There is an interview by Harsha Bhogle on Indian fast bowlers on cricinfo, it is a good read. To my opinion this article do not address the issue, it talks about a lot of things, but not the core of the issue.

    This is a large topic, and I don’t have time now to write a lot, but I will just start with something.

    My theory is that it is all about culture. In Indian cricket culture, playing cricket mean becoming a batsman, you only become a bowler if you cannot bat, you don’t do it by choice. But this is not the core of my theory, it goes into India’s ancient caste system. It is controversial and hence cannot be said by people like Harsha Bhogle, I can say it. I have been observing that Indian batsmen are elite class and groomed to be captains, while bowlers always descend from the working class and typically lower caste. Especially fast bowlers. They also tend to be undereducated. Most of the Indian fast bowlers cannot speak English while the batsmen speak fluent English. You can make out from the looks also that the clean cut, upper class guys like Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina, etc goes on to be batsmen and future leaders. While the fast bowlers always seems to be people from lower caste or working class families, take for example R.P Singh, Ishant Sharma, Munaf Patel, Irfan Pathan (although he has got cleaner looks, he is from a poor family), Umesh Yadav, so on. There are so many examples that one can easily say the upper class and elite family kids in India never want to grow up and be a fast bowler, it is always the lower class and caste, and they normally don’t ever get the opportunities. There is huge favoritism and politics to even get considered for a regional section camp in India. This is the crux of Indian bowling.

    For a while I have been thinking of this, and I am developing this theory fully still while I continue to observe.

  112. #112 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 1:45 PM

    Munir

    No, I don’t know if we get this channel here, bakaoz I don’t watch desi channels, simply because of too many ads and the soap operas are extremely boring and slow, worst than Dallas, “Bald” & Betifull” Melrose place etc., which I never had the guts to watch. Besides, these desi channels are sold in a bundle and I don’t want to waste my money on it. I have CBN which shows cricket and some old Indian songs all the time. And, I subscribe to pay per view for cricket i.e., when it is not free on CBN. As far as cooking channels are concerned there are plenty of them in English, but again I don’t watch that. I am thinking of starting a cooking academy and cook there in front of the audience or students. Too many ladies are interest and have asked me to start one. But, for that I need to get a work permit from my Pradhaan Mantree jee. 😀

  113. #113 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 2:03 PM

    newguy and Munir

    Definitely without Yousuf and Younus and minus Razzaq and Afridi, the test team will be a farcical joke and you are right they better not send the team to play against England and Australia. They will be white washed and brown washed and what not.

    As regards the culture of bowlers and batsmen, you are right in pointing out the obvious one. I am not sure if you have read that comment a few years ago when we were discussing about fast bowlers i.e., why there are more fast bowlers in Punjab than Karachi? And why the South Indian players are not preferred over Mumbians i.e., those kar, kar and kars……. Umrigar, Manjrekar, Wadekar, Gavaskar, Bakwaskar, Tendulkar, Agarkar ….. they have stamped their authority on batting as if they have inherited it from their ancestors.

    Very strange that apart from Kapil Dev who was also not a very fast bowler, later became a slow medium pacer (like Afridi’s faster one) is from Punjab, I don’t remember any other name of a fast bowler from Indian Punjab or, is there any? Mohinder Amarnath with Punjab roots was also a medium pacer. Funny that South India has produced a few fast bowlers like, Prasad, Jagaval Srinath, Sreesanth, Roger Binny and a few others and there was one tall fast bowler from Kerala called Kurvilla who went into oblivion. A few from Mumbai, i.e., Agarkar, Ramakant Desai a very tiny fellow, was he from Mumbai or South?

    The other reasons for India not producing fast bowlers, apart from culture is the pitches. The pitches were made for spinners. And, India produced so many spinners like, Chandrashekar, Erapally Prassana, Venkataraghavan, Gupte, Nadkarni, Bedi, Kumble, Harbhajan and a zillion others. Now, the pitches are tailor made for batsmen. If you look at the Australian and South African pitches they are hard and bouncy. Indian players find it difficult tackling rising ball and only Tendulkar worked very, very hard to find a way to tackle the rising delivery rest of the Indian batsmen failed. In India as well as in Pakistan, they’ve changed the pitches from spin favoured to flat tracks. Pakistan during Imran’s time used to prepare tracks favourable to fast bowlers and now it is just flat, favouring the batsmen. This is all because of the shorter version of the game getting more popular.

  114. #114 by Mohammed Munir on May 21, 2010 - 3:58 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Madan Lal was a fast (if you can call him that) bowler from Punjab and so was ‘somthing’ Sharma, I think.

  115. #115 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 4:08 PM

    Munir

    Javed Miandad’s Sharma? 😀

    Chetan – was his name

  116. #116 by Omer on May 21, 2010 - 4:17 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I agree with you that India has produced some decent fast bowlers, such as, Srinath and Prasad was a good pair, and now Zaheer Khan and Sharma is a good pair.

    However, the point that people make in Punjab is that (when it comes to Pakistan), there is something in the water and therefore Punjab has produced some great fast bowlers, such as, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, and so on. To me that seems like a reasonable explanation, as pathans, at average, are stronger than Punjabis, yet I don’t think any great fast bowlers have come from amongst pathans. In fact there was a time that Punjab was printing fast bowlers, in the 90s and early 2000s its not the ones we saw bowl only, but Mohammad Akram, Mohammad Zahid, and so on didn’t even get to play much.

  117. #117 by newguy on May 21, 2010 - 4:22 PM

    Hi Guys,

    No issues with the joke on Chetan Sharma, but, he helped win a test series in England for India back in 1986 when India had tough times winning abroad. Sharma, Madan Lal, and Kapil Dev swung the ball around and took many wickets. After that one test where Sharma took 5 wickets in an innings, English started questioning how he swung the ball so much for a man who is so short. Those days, and even sometimes today, and Indian or Pakistani bowler took 5 wickets or more, English media will find ball tampering. In his case, they were alleging he chucked. But he didn’t. He also took a hatrik in an WC ODI in ’87. So, he was an OK bowler given the quality fo bowlers around at that time, Kapil Dev’s decision to give him last over was thus justified since he bowled well until that point, only his yorker went horribly wrong 😉

  118. #118 by newguy on May 21, 2010 - 4:29 PM

    JAK,

    I remember Abbey Kuruvilla, he is originally from Kerala, but played for Mumbai, unfortunately he is one of the players who got chance very late in his career, he debuted at age 27 or so, which is late for a fast bowler. He was stuck in the Indian selection policy bottleneck for years.

    Pitches are to blame a lot, because of this batsmen tend to play on the front foot. Most Indian, and Pakistani/Sri Lankan players commit to front foot, mainly relying on drives, flicks, and cuts. They don’t know how to stay on back foot and play pull and hooks. This needs practice, if your body balance is on front foot then it’s hard to shift and play pull or hook.

  119. #119 by khansahab on May 21, 2010 - 5:05 PM

    Afridi and Razzaq planning Test retirement

    LAHORE: Pakistan’s Twenty20 captain Shahid Afridi, who has not played a Test since 2006, is planning to retire from the longer version of the game along with fellow all-rounder Abdul Razzaq. According to media reports, both players are likely to meet Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt next week to convey their decision. “They are not interested in playing Test matches any longer and just want to concentrate on extending their international careers in the one-day internationals and Twenty20 matches,” a source was quoted as saying Thursday. Razzaq also played his last Test match in 2006. The source pointed out that both players were not interested in touring England for the Test matches against Australia and England because they wanted to spend more time with their families.

    Sources said that Afridi and Razzaq were keen on playing the Asia Cup and one-dayers and Twenty20 matches in England and are also targeting the 2011 World Cup. “They want to continue their careers in these short forms of the game.” Pakistan are due to tour England from last week of June to play two Tests against Australia and four against England. With Afridi and Razzaq out of contention and other senior players like Younus Khan and Shoaib Malik banned, the selectors are expected to announce several new faces in the touring squad next week.

  120. #120 by khansahab on May 21, 2010 - 5:09 PM

    A new low, even for Pakistan

    No longer should there be doubts that the current batch of players are among the most pathetic characters to have represented Pakistan. The leaked video of the PCB’s inquiry committee hearings has simply confirmed, and put incontrovertibly and forever on the greatest mirror of our times, television, what many already knew: that this band of senior players care not for anything but themselves, that they cannot be captained by anyone, that they are governed by their greed for power and that they will, most shockingly, deliberately underperform to undermine their captain. Pathetic is barely condemnation.

    This has been the way since Inzamam-ul-Haq left: so much factionalism, so many groups with different interests that nobody even remembers who is on whose side anymore. Shoaib Malik is a central figure. He has been ably supported by men such as Salman Butt, Misbah-ul-Haq, Kamran Akmal and a handful of others, including even managers such as Yawar Saeed. What their aim has ever been is not certain, other than reinstating Malik as captain.

    Shahid Afridi and Mohammad Yousuf have brought their own agendas. Afridi was used – or chose to be used – by Malik’s lot in trying to bring down Younis Khan as captain. Yousuf’s one-point agenda, meanwhile, has been to get rid of Malik somehow, with whom he has publicly rowed since 2007. Younis has had, what the master of the non-answer, Intikhab Alam, called, his own issues.

    Two captains, Younis and Yousuf, have publicly said their players were actively trying to uproot them. The most shocking parts of the video – and there are enough – are Rana Naved-ul-Hasan’s happy confessions of first siding against and then siding with Younis, and underperforming under him. He says it with unrepentant, shocking candour.

    Under Younis, up to eight players met (typically, there are conflicting reports over where, and thus, how many times) to take an oath of allegiance to not play under Younis. An oath of allegiance to not play under him: nothing better captures the stench of these men than this, a quasi-official act of loyalty in the ultimate cause of disloyalty. There is so much distrust that they don’t even trust each other to unite in the face of a common enemy unless an allegiance is shamefully made to higher authorities. Less bitchiness will be found in a season of either Gossip Girl or Pakistan’s parliament.

    So intense has been the infighting and factionalism that it shocked a member even of the coaching set-up on the Australia tour, one fully involved in the bad days of the 90s, when there were more captains in any XI than players. But in those days, he said, once they were on the field such differences were put aside so that matches could be won (at least, the blighted history of this country’s cricket forces us to recall, those matches that weren’t fixed). That was evident in results from the decade.

    Younger players, such as Umar Akmal and Mohammad Aamer, are being drawn in. Their talent will never fail them but their personalities will. The younger Akmal, in particular, has developed the kind of cockiness and arrogance that will make him as many enemies as he will runs. Aamer has been involved in a serious dust-up with Umar Gul, over as small a matter as a dropped catch. And the ogling of women – no cricket crime, really – that Afridi refers to, is in at least one case directed at Aamer, who put down Ricky Ponting at deep fine leg in Hobart, minutes after just such a distraction. Neither Akmal nor Aamer is yet a full year into the international game.

    It is a shameful, sorry spectacle, even when we think we are inured to such. It’s no bad thing that the PCB has handed out such punishments as it has; after all, the one thing the video makes abundantly clear is that these men cannot play with each other, at least not without harming the team.

    But the board should have been more open when it was handing out the punishments, if only to spare themselves this current headache. And they should also have sacked themselves for not being able to handle the situation. As much as it is an exposé of the rot among the players, it is also an indictment of the absolute incompetence of the PCB’s top hierarchy. They failed to back any captain they selected, they appointed managers who couldn’t handle situations, and in fact exacerbated them, and they let the situation fester. If players have been banned, so should Ijaz Butt, Wasim Bari, Yawar Saeed and others be told to go, to hopefully end what is among the sorriest periods in the history of this cricketing nation.

  121. #121 by khansahab on May 21, 2010 - 6:41 PM

    My Test career is over, says Afridi

    Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi today made it clear that his Test career is over and will now concentrate only in one-day and Twenty20 cricket which he said is more suited to his attacking style.

    Afridi, who is tipped to be named next week as captain of the one-day side for the Asia Cup in Sri Lanka, ruled himself unavailable for Pakistan’s six-match Test series in England this summer.

    “Some of my well wishers and supporters wanted me to return to Test cricket. But it’s the end of Test cricket for me and it’s my firm decision,” Afridi said.

    “Now my focus is forthcoming Asia Cup in Sri Lanka, T20 and ODI series in England and next year’s World Cup,” he told a state owned news agency.

    Afridi, who has not played a Test since 2006, conceded that his attacking style suited limited-over cricket more.

  122. #122 by khansahab on May 21, 2010 - 6:46 PM

    Asif passed racist remark during Australian tour; called Watson ‘Bloody White’

    The Pakistan’s Australian tour was full of controversies as one more added in the list when team manager Abdul Raquib divulged in the leak video that Pakistani pacer Mohammad Asif has called Australian all-rounder Shane Watson a “bloody white”.

    Revealing the information before an inquiry panel, Raquib told Asif had very narrowly escaped during a test match as he passed racist remarks against Watson during the tour.

    Raquib asserted that at the second day of the test match Asif called Watson a ‘bloody white’ in a leaked video recording of the inquiry committee proceedings.

  123. #123 by khansahab on May 21, 2010 - 8:23 PM

    British family killed in Pakistan over arranged marriage

    May 21, 2010

    Three members of a British family visiting Pakistan were shot dead by their relatives yesterday in a dispute over an arranged marriage between cousins.

    Mohammad Yousaf, 51, his wife Parviaz, 49, and their daughter, Tania, 23, from Nelson, in Lancashire, were killed in the eastern city of Gujrat when tensions over the breakdown of the marriage between their eldest son and their niece ended in tragedy.

    The marriage finished about a year ago but the wife’s brother — who is also Mr Yousaf’s nephew — is believed to have harboured a grudge that his sister was being divorced.

    Four gunmen, believed to include Mr Yousaf’s nephew and other family members who were angry about the divorce, opened fire at the end of a funeral that they were attending. The family had been in the country to celebrate the wedding of another of their three sons.

  124. #124 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 8:42 PM

    khansahab

    On Asif calling Watson White, here is a copy paste of an email that I received.

    “When you attack black people, they call it racism. When you attack Jewish people, they call it anti-Semitism. When you attack women, they call it sexism. When you attack homosexuality, they call it intolerance. When you attack your country, they call it treason. When you attack a religious sect, they call it hate speech. But when you attack the Prophet peace be upon him, they want to call it freedom of speech! “

  125. #125 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 21, 2010 - 9:00 PM

    Omer

    Regarding fast bowlers from Punjab you say, there is something in the water……

    Punjab da pani, Punj Dariya da pani aye! That same water comes from the north and goes down south. Is there anything specific in the water when it passes through Punjab? If there is something in the soil or even in the air, I would have said:

    “There was something in the air that night
    The stars were bright, Fernando….”
    Abba.

    Ramiz Raja said, in Punbab they eat a lot of meat that is why they produce fast bowlers. WRONG…… in frontier and Pathans in general eat a lot more meat than Punjabis.
    When Manzoor Elahi used to play, an Urdu commentator (can’t remember his name, Nazir something) he used to say: ManZooor EllaaHeeee, Punjab kay jiyalay, Lahore kay Shai Balay, Doodh Dahee kay Palay way Pahalwan jab yae chakka martay hain tou gaind ko bhee din may taaray nazar aatay hongay! 😀 Cricket player na hoa Gama Pahalwan hoa.

    I think it is a matter of culture and interest in the game . The Pathans don’t play cricket in Pakhtoonkhoa as much as the Punjabis do in Punjab. Besides, there aren’t any academies over there. If the selectors go for head hunting they may find some great talents there. Because, physically they are strong and robust.

    As regards speed, even a lanky Mohammad Sami can bowl at a speed of 155 kmph and he is from Karachi.

  126. #126 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2010 - 5:37 AM

    Afridi likely to lead Pakistan in Asia Cup

    Friday, 21 May, 2010 11:36 pm

    KARACHI : The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is likely to retain all-rounder Shahid Afridi as skipper for the four-nation tournament in Sri Lanka. Sources Friday said that Afridi is all set to lead Pakistan in the Asia Cup to be played in Dambulla June 15-25. He has been summoned to Lahore May 25 for a meeting with national selectors, team management and PCB chairman Ijaz Butt. Pakistan is likely to decide its combination for the Asia Cup at the meeting.

    Meanwhile, speaking on the Asia Cup, Afridi was confident that Pakistan can win the crown.

    “We have a very good one-day team which is why I’m sure Pakistan will go into the tournament as a title contender,” he said. “But it would be great if the team goes to Sri Lanka with this (match-fixing) issue resolved so that everybody can focus on playing cricket.” It was reported that the PCB was considering making 25-year-old Butt as the new Pakistan captain. However, it has been learnt that the board will take a final decision on it after the Asia Cup just weeks before Pakistan’s marathon tour of England that begins early July.

    Pakistan is to play two Twenty20 Internationals and two Tests against Australia in England in July followed by a full series against hosts England that will include four Tests, five One-day Internationals and a couple of Twenty20 games.

    WHAT WILL BE THE ONE DAY SIDE?

  127. #127 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 7:15 AM

    Javed A Khan

    That is correct that when the West criticises anything to do with Islam (which is mostly ignorance than plain fact) it is labelled freedom of speech.

    But, to them a Prophet of a religion is just like Jesus, or Moses or any of the Hindu gods. For example in cartoons like the Simpsons, they have made fun of Hindu gods and Hindu beliefs many times.

    What they do not realise is that Muslims are very sensitive towards blasphemy/sacrilege. That is because many people in the West do not practise a religion actively, so they are not aware of what it means to believe in a religion, and what it means to believe in ideals zealously regardless of their apparent lack of logic or conflict with what has become to be recognised as “science”.

    It is difficult to inculcate this Muslim thought process into their minds. And unfortunately many manifestations of Muslims expressing what their religion is about have been extreme and irrational.

    For example, if a Danish person draws a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), rather than Muslims peacefully holding rallies, protests, making themselves heard on TV/radio and stating that this is wrong/insensitive/anti Islamic etc, we have seen protests in UK and other European countries where they have held banners and placards stating that the cartoonist should be “beheaded” etc.

    They should have the awareness to deduce that the way media works these days, if someone will hold a sensible and peaceful protest, it will not get noticed. But, if an extremist group is threatening violence in such a way then it will definitely be covered. And then people across the world see this and consider Islam to be a religion of violence and intolerance.

  128. #128 by Omer on May 22, 2010 - 7:35 AM

    Khansahab,

    Stop seeing the parts, see the whole picture:

    I remember you gave me the pics of Liz Cho and I had to go that day, but can you distinguish between these pictures (I was surprised, it was, sort of, heartbreaking):

    http://img130.imageshack.us/i/sophia3zf.jpg/

    Its supposedly the same person.

  129. #129 by Omer on May 22, 2010 - 7:38 AM

    And, here she comes out like Hilary Clinton:

    http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrity/photos/liz-cho.htm

    In fact if you look at the gallery here, it confirms that the above two pictures are of the same person:

    http://www.fanpix.net/gallery/liz-cho-pictures.htm

  130. #130 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 8:10 AM

    Javed A Khan/Omer

    Have you seen the movie, “My Name is Khan”?

    The movie has certain underlying themes, such as, Muslims are not terrorists, such as, love for humanity and other people can eliminate hatred from the world. Although there were some moments in the movie which seemed unreal or overdramatic to me, mostly it’s a revolutionary film and will change perceptions of Muslims not just in India but across the world, as it has released in many countries, subtitled in English. An English friend of mine has seen this movie too, and she likes it.

    I am quite surprised that this movie has been made by Indians, considering its Muslim-centric agenda. The movie is considered to be Shahrukh Khan’s brainchild in which he goes some distance is attempting to reinforce his Muslim and Pathan identity. In one scene, for example, he is asked why he is such a simple minded guy and why he is hellbent on completing his crazy mission of meeting the President of the USA and informing him that Islam is not a religion of terror. He answers resolutely, “Because I gave my word and a Khan always keeps his word”.

    The movie is about a Muslim man from a backward, ghetto-like Muslim area of Mumbai. Once in his childhood he hears Muslim men from his area abusing Hindus for their injustices against Muslims. He keeps repeating the abusive words so his mother stops him and draws 2 identical people on a page, one holding a gun and another holding a sweet. She asks, “Which one do you like”? So he answers, “The one with the sweet”. So then she asks, “Well, which one is Hindu and which one is Muslim”? And he remains silent. So she tells him something that he keeps true to his heart and repeats throughout the whole movie- that there are only 2 types of people, good people and bad people. And that is the only difference in human beings.

    In the movie, Khan recites Surah Ikhlays, Surah Fatiha, as well as other verses and paras of the Quran. He says, “Inna Lillahi Wa inna Ileihi Rajioon” whenever he hears of people dying. There is a scene when he is in a barren area en route to a city, in a coach filled with mostly white Americans. The coach stops over a diner in the middle of nowhere. There is a Muslim couple too on the coach and they introduce themselves to Khan. He looks at his watch and says, “It is Namaz time”. They look at him with disbelief and say, “What! Here? In the middle of nowhere?” So he says, “Everywhere is appropriate for Namaz”. So he takes out a prayer mat and starts praying in the desert outside. The Americans look at him with appreciation but at the same time, disbelief as they become aware of this Muslim’s religiosity.

    There is a scene when Khan is in a mosque and a preacher of hate is encouraging Muslims to wage a holy war against Americans. The preacher starts to tell the story of how the Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) agreed with great reluctance to sacrifice his son Ismail (Samuel) for the sake of God’s will. He says that Muslims should also sacrifice themselves for God’s will. Khan hears of this and corrects this preacher, quoting from the Quran and implies to the preacher that he is distorting the tale. He raises the issue that there was a being involved that was distracting Abraham and putting doubts into his mind. The students of the preacher ask, “Who is this being”? The preacher does not remember. But Khan answers and says, “It was Shaitan!” Khan collects some beads on which he recites Surah Ikhlas, and starts throwing the beads at the preacher, signifying how Muslims throw stones at Shaitan’s manifestation during Hajj. This scene not only informs about the distorted tale of Abraham and Samuel, it is also provocative in establishing that preachers of hate that lead people astray from Sirat-al-Mustaqeem, are a manifestation of Shaitan.

    This movie also criticises Muslims who see the injustices carried out against other Muslims but just sit and do not raise their voices and concerns (although of course, it is not implied at all they should do this in a violent way). There is a dynamic Hindu student journalist who sees that Khan has been captured by American authorities and is being treated inhumanely. He begs a Muslim television producer to cover this story and it is within the producer’s abilities to do so. The producer however is scared that his channel will invite hatred from Americans and that he will be labelled an extremist. So the student says, “You are a Muslim and you clearly are aware that another Muslim is being treated inhumanely for no reason. And you will just sit there doing nothing!”? This shakes the conscience of the producer and he agrees to cover this story.

    The reason why I am mentioning this about the film, is that I believe Shahrukh Khan with his Hindu wife and semi-Muslim kids and mostly Hindu fan following, has done the biggest favour to the religion of Islam that anyone can do with this movie. In my earlier comment I described how so called Muslims who threaten beheadings etc think they know and practise what real Islam is. But, My Name is Khan is Shahrukh Khan’s masterstroke, and a movie that will long be embedded in the memory of every Muslim who has seen it.

  131. #131 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 8:21 AM

    Omer

    I can’t remember Liz Cho but I think she is the news broadcaster. Yes I agree she looks like 2 different people. But I am convinced the pics or video link I posted was of a very hot woman.

  132. #132 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 8:24 AM

    Munir sahab

    My questions to you about the spelling and pronunciation of names were in innocence more than anything else.

    I just wanted to know of the reason why other people spell or pronounce names differently to how I spell and pronounce them. But, I think your explanations were good. I agree a name is a name and there is no Urdu Speaking name, or Punjabi name or whatever.

    I was not exactly hinting what you thought and I did not imply any mischief.

  133. #133 by Omer on May 22, 2010 - 8:24 AM

    Khansahab,

    I have nothing against Shahrukh Khan, he seems like a pretty decent person to me, but his acting is very, very average. I mean it is more like overacting rather than natural acting. The only Indian actor whose movies that I watch are, Paresh Rawal. And, that is because, in terms of comedy, he can act pretty naturally. In fact he can fit into any role very comfortably, it is just that he is not as good looking as some of the others, so he isn’t highly rated.

    If we look at actors in terms of talent, then the person in your picture was probably one of the best natural actors. And, nowadays, Tom Hanks is a very versatile actor. Among Indian/Directing greats, I think only Guru Dutt can come close to these sort of actors.

  134. #134 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 8:27 AM

    Omer

    His acting is bad, agreed. But if you notice he is not a good looking guy either but he is rated ever so highly.

    I also like Paresh Rawal, he is a proper, natural actor. Like Naseer uddin Shah, Kay Kay Menon, Irrfan Khan etc. For these actors it is more like substance than style.

    I have only heard the name of Guru Dutt and maybe seen him a few times.

    The reason why Shahrukh Khan is so popular I think, is because he started doing romantic/very emotional roles at a time when most actors of his generation (Sanjay Dutt/Salman/Akshay/Ajay Devgan) etc were doing action movies and there was limited scope for emotional performances.

  135. #135 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 10:51 AM

    Akmal gets Waqar’s backing

    Kamran Akmal, who is facing allegations of match-fixing during Pakistan’s recent tour of Australia, got backing from his coach Waqar Younis who said he would consider the wicket-keeper for selection until the charges are proved.

    Intikhab Alam and Aaqib Javed, Pakistan’s coaches on the Australian tour, expressed suspicions over performance of Akmal who had dropped four catches and missed an easy run out chance in the Sydney Test.

    Video recordings of the proceedings of the inquiry committee that was formed by the Board in March to probe into the team’s poor performance show Intikhab and Aaqib saying they have suspicions over the performance of Akmal and all-rounder Rana Naved and have heard things about them in relation to match fixing.

    “If you don’t have any proof, you should just keep quiet,” said Waqar who replaced Intikhab as head coach.

  136. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2010 - 12:32 PM

    On Kamran Akmal facing allegations of match fixing, I have also said the same thing before that he is innocent until proven guilty. Ijaz Butt has refuted and dismissed the charges by saying it is baseless. You cannot ban a player from playing on the basis of suspicion and doubt. The “Hoosey” catches he dropped in Sydney test were more of a late reflex action than anything else. And the run out he missed was bizarre, I have not seen anything like this before that the wicketkeeper collecting it and not making any attempt to run out the batsman who was at least 2 meters away from the crease. But, again you have to believe him, he said I was blinded and couldn’t move. It happened so fast and it was too late to do anything about it. I am not a great fan of Akmal’s keeping but, he is an aggressive batsman and at the moment there is no equivalent let alone better wicketkeeper than him.

    As it is without Yousuf, Younus, Abdul Razzaq and Afridi are missing from the test squad do you guys wanna miss Misbah and Malik too? Then who is left in the team to play test matches? If the team goes without these players I won’t be watching test matches. I might only see ODI and T20

  137. #137 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2010 - 12:40 PM

    I haven’t seen regular Indian movies since ages, friends and acquaintances kept telling me to watch that millionaire movie, or My Name is Khan, 3 idiots, blah, blah, I have not seen any. Those I have seen a couple of years ago are Paresh Rawal’s comedy movie (by regular I meant serious type rona dhona wali) and moi aussi, I like his movies along with that chottu Rajpal or Yashpal whatever his name is. I believe that it is better to watch comedy movies to sit down relax and laugh and for me that is entertainment, I don’t go to a cinema house like a crazy goon and watch every new movie that is released. Avatar was my last English movie, and I saw that at the IMAX theater in 3D it was in the last week of January this year. Although I wanted to see a few other English movies and cannot find any spare time, besides I hate watching movie alone in a cinema house.

  138. #138 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2010 - 1:06 PM

    khansahab

    nice comments, good observation and good analysis on how the west sees the irrational and extreme behaviour. U sure have a very analytical mind and that is good. 😀

  139. #139 by newguy on May 22, 2010 - 2:50 PM

    Khansahab,

    I think you got to the crux of the issue with this comment.

    For example, if a Danish person draws a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), rather than Muslims peacefully holding rallies, protests, making themselves heard on TV/radio and stating that this is wrong/insensitive/anti Islamic etc, we have seen protests in UK and other European countries where they have held banners and placards stating that the cartoonist should be “beheaded” etc.

    There is nothing more to say. Extreme reactions always are met with more extreme actions, and it goes on in a circle. More moderate and peaceful opposition garners support, slowly but surely, and those who created it (cartoon) will be eventually ashamed.

    Regarding the My name is Khan movie, I saw it, I didn’t think it’s extraordinary because except for the Muslim identify theme a lot of it were stereotypes and copied from the movie Forrest Gump. I too don’t think Shak Rukh is a great actor, but he is very likable as an actor and as a person, and this is why he has millions and millions of followers. I don’t want many bollywood moves, may be one or two a year at the most, but if I end up watching a Shah Rukh movie I would prefer it over a lot of others, just because he has some thing likable about him that cannot be explained.

    Anyhow, I found this comment of yours strange, or may be not because of how I think and you think?

    I am quite surprised that this movie has been made by Indians, considering its Muslim-centric agenda.

    Why were you surprised Indians could make move portraying good things about Muslims? India has always welcomes other people home, and that is why Muslim rulers lived happily for many centuries, weren’t they, would it have been possible to oppress and rule without people’s consent for that many years. India is this vast cultural ocean that takes in everything else that comes over and transforms it. It has largely to do with the type of religion Hinduism is. Largely tolerant and able to absorb every faith and religion and trying to achieve the same thing. At least this is what I have learned from Hinduism.

  140. #140 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2010 - 6:06 PM

    newguy

    The last paragraph of your comment prompted me to write something and it is more to seek clarification from you. You wrote, “India has always welcomes other people home, and that is why Muslim rulers lived happily for many centuries, weren’t they, would it have been possible to oppress and rule without people’s consent for that many years.”

    Are you talking about India as a land, or as people?
    Because, the history of India is very old and goes back to the Aryan age. Are you also including the Aryans as ” Invadors and Rulers of India?” Because, as far as I know the first nation of the sub-continent are Dravidians and they were driven down South, oppressed and deprived. Even as of today, the caste system prevails in India and they are still the untouchables, whereas, the upper class is from the Aryan tribe.

    In those days waging wars, invading countries, conquering and ruling new territories was a way of life. Do I need to mention the names of those invaders and rulers? I think we all know them. It was the Aryans first among whom are the upper caste Brahmin Rulers and then it was once again the Aryans but, Muslim invaders who came, conquered and ruled. As regards tolerance, even the Muslims rulers were tolerant. If they had forced their religion upon the inhabitants of India, then there would have been no Hindu but, all Muslims.

    When the British came under the disguise of East India Trading company, they changed the modus operendi of invasions. In our generation the US has changed it in the name of invasion to “protecting freedom” for other countries and they go to other countries, wherever they want with their superior armies, kill the local population in the name of democracy and sit there in those countries for decades, only to cover their own interest. By changing name and tactics they can fool some of the people for some time and not All the people all of the time. In the future history books it will be mentioned like British ruled and oppressed the people of India, so did the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, the same way they did in Vietnam.

  141. #141 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2010 - 6:28 PM

    To add something more to my recent comment, I would like to clarify that the history of Pakistan as a country is only 63 years old, whereas the history of the land is just like the history of India, in fact it goes even beyond the Aryan times i.e., when you look into the history of Mohenjo Dero, Harappa and Taxila. Prior to 1947 it was just one country and that is why we share so many things, there is so much commonality in the culture. Religion is another matter, yet it co-existed and it still does and people practice different religion in both countries, it is only a matter of numbers that in India there are more Muslims than there are Hindus in Pakistan. Both are in minority but, there is a larger majority in population in India whereas the minority in Pakistan is very insignificant. As regards treating the minorities equally or with bias both countries have similar rules and similar biases. Both countries are still following the British penal code with some amendments and modifications in the constitution.

    The point is the feelings among the majority of the people are same on both sides, ( a few are on the extreme on both sides ) it is the politicians and the media that distorts the reality and flares up the emotions of the people, whereas when an individual meets another individual from across the border, there aren’t any hard feelings, in fact they share those commonalities in a very cordial manner.

    I have never heard that an Indian visiting Pakistan was mistreated or insulted by the public. In fact the people in Pakistan have always welcome them, not just the cricket team or the bollywood star or the celebrities but even a common man when he says I am Indian, there is a welcome smile on a Pakistanis face, I have seen shopkeepers greeting them. The sikhs always get a warm and arousing welcome in Pakistan. The share the same language and feel at home in Pakistani Punjab.

    Overseas, its the same the Indians and Pakistanis co-exist as “Desi people” my next door neighbour is Bengali Hindus and we enjoy an excellent relationship with them and so with my other French and English Canadian neighbours but, because we share the same language (they speak good Hindi which is just the same as Urdu with the exception of a few words) and the kids talk in English and French. They enjoy our food and appreciate it. So, its a matter of give respect and earn respect.

  142. #142 by Omer on May 22, 2010 - 7:36 PM

    Khansahab,

    I agree, in some pictures Liz Cho is ‘Bellucious’. Anyway, Belluci is getting pretty old now, in her latest pictures, her skin seems to be quite different, and her beauty is falling apart like a flower withering quite fast. This is someting I have noted that happens with plastic surgeries, that there comes a point where everything falls apart very fast. But plastic surgeons have clearly made great leaps and advances between Michael Jackson and Liz Cho, assuming that the two Liz Chos are the same people above. In fact Jennifer Lopez and many others are pretty much by-products of plastic surgeries from what I gather. Whether it is a good thing or not, who knows, but it seems to work for a while and then it sort of falls apart.

  143. #143 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 7:48 PM

    Afridi says he is ‘ready’ for Tests

    Pakistan allrounder and Twenty20 captain Shahid Afridi has announced he is ready to return to Tests, nearly four years after he last played the game’s longest format. Afridi said the forthcoming ‘home’ series against England and Australia, all in England, prompted his decision to return.

    “I am ready to play Test cricket because I feel that my country needs me and in this time of need I would not let my team and the country down,” Afridi told AFP. “My father was ill and my family wanted more attention from me so I was mainly focusing on the shorter forms of the game, but now we have to play six Tests in England and my team needs me, so I am available.”

  144. #144 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 8:03 PM

    Newguy

    I have always appreciated the tolerance encouraged in Hinduism and most of the Hindus that I know are very modest and simple people. I have also commented that Hindus believe in “Simple living and high thinking”. In fact at times I have also been considered a “Hindu sympathiser” amongst a circle of Pakistani friends.

    I have seen many Hindus say that, they are a tolerant people which is why they let Muslims rule over them for centuries. However, if you study the Mughal history you will see that there was always a threat to the Mughals from Hindu Rajputs, Marathis, Bengalis and the like. My textbook on the Mughals at school was very comprehensive and it was not written by a Muslim or a Hindu, but by an Englishman so I consider it to be a neutral source. And that textbook mentioned many wars that the Muslims had with Hindus.

    I suppose one could also say that, the Hindus tolerated Britishers for 200 years. But we the know the reality of the situation. The British came with a clever plan, offered bribes and gifts to people they could not refuse, and expanded their empire. They did not come into India with an intention to rule like the Muslims did- they came as a trade partner but their intentions were obviously different.

    So, it was not like the Hindus openly accepted them to “rule” over them, they were forced into it. Just like how the Muslim rulers (the warrior races of Persians and Pathans) were always able to quell the Hindu rebellion. Now this is something to do with the passiveness of demeanour encouraged by Hinduism perhaps, that they were never able to be militarily strong enough to oust the Muslims or strategically adept enough to outsmart and outthink the British.

    I hope you don’t take offence at my understanding of the situation but I think it is a very naive generalisation when Hindus say that they allowed Muslims and Brits to rule them. By this I do not mean that Hindus are intolerant fanatics, please don’t get me wrong.

  145. #145 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2010 - 8:10 PM

    “Belluci is getting pretty old now,” Omer

    LOL Omer, only last year you and khansahab were going ga ga over her and praising her as a “sax symbal” and suddenly in one year, she is pretty old now? hahaha….. I wish Sweetie is reading this comment. 😀

  146. #146 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 22, 2010 - 8:14 PM

    khansahab

    I just read the news on AFP and am laughing at his “Akhroatism” how can he change his mind just like that? Only day before yesterday he said, “I have made up my mind and no matter what I am not going back to test cricket.” Now, suddenly there is a rush of blood just like he chase an out side the off stump ball and gets out. Anyways, it is a good news that he will be there and they should motivate Abdul Razzaq to change his mind and also lift the ban from Y&Y. Then there will some competition, I won’t say they will win the test series but, at least there will be some competition otherwise without these 4 players the test team looks spineless.

  147. #147 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 8:18 PM

    Omer

    I totally agree. I think this has happened with Bollywood actresses too, that shortly after plastic surgery they look nice but then after that they change. Some of them end up looking disgusting.

  148. #148 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 8:21 PM

    Javed A Khan

    With Afridi in the team and as captain too, things will look a little more promising and exciting. The big test for him is how much he would be willing to compromise on his natural batting style.

    Provided Umer Akmal and Fawad Alam are playing, provided Afridi is captaining and Butt is in form, Pakistan’s batting can show some mettle. Asif, Aamer, Gul and Kaneria can take wickets if the fielders support them.

    So this team should not be written off but firstly the right people should be played and secondly the fielders need to be a little more supportive.

    Under no circumstances should they play Malik and Misbah.

  149. #149 by Omer on May 22, 2010 - 8:26 PM

    Khansahab,

    I concur with your thoughts about meeting Hindu people.

    I have known many such people.

    The only part where they get really passionate and intolerant is where you refuse to accept Tendulkar as the greatest batsman ever or you say your opinion, that Sehwag is better than Tendulkar. This is true not only about Hindu Indians, but Indians in general. I suppose this is a minor thing, but cricket draws so much passion in that part of the world, that they are not prepared to open their vision to the possibility, that Sehwag is the only player next to the Don.

    I suppose my other misgiving with Indians is that– and as you know, in terms of education, they are much further ahead of Pakistanis– they tend to do things by rote memorization, not all but many that I know do– its like if you were to give 6 months to standardized tests which supposedly measure aptitude, and memorize all the words in dictionary and do all the math questions in all the books out there, of course you will come out 400 points more ‘intelliigent’. But that is not the way it is meant to be done, right?

    In fact some Indians I know also hate rote memorizatioin, but most that I know do it that way, and I guess that is the way it is also taught there. I was lucky to have pretty good teachers in Pakistan, who, when not telling dirty jokes, emphasized the thought process as well.

  150. #150 by khansahab on May 22, 2010 - 10:45 PM

    Omer

    On the contrary I have met some Indians who think Tendulkar is overrated and consider Gavaskar, Sehwag or Dravid to be better than Tendulkar.

    Tendulkar for Indians is not just a great cricketer, he is something more. He has brought the country enormous respect and he is a symbol of Indian pride like Aishwarya Rai, or the Mittals.

    Not only has he broken most batting records, not only has he redefined the art of modern batting, he has also done so with a lot of humility. That is why the world respects him so much and why he is such a good ambassador for his country.

  151. #151 by Omer on May 22, 2010 - 11:22 PM

    Khansahab,

    How has he redefined the art of modern batting?

    The art of modern batting has been redefined by Sehwag. In fact Tendulkar has a very effecient technique and there is not much to ‘redefine’ with that, it is just that he has taken the concept of ‘textbook technique’ to another level. And, I also say, he is a very good batsman, but a lot of goes around apart from that is myth, that a lot of the ‘pride’ is vanity.

    If you look at the Don, he had a very unique technique, there was nothing ‘textbook’ in it. What I like about Sehwag is that, though he is not completely technical, he can use the technique he has, and once he gets his eye in, he can completely throw it aside. If you look at the amount of double, triple centuries he has made in a very short career compared to Tendulkar, and the way he has done it, then I’d say it’d be fair to say, that he has ‘redefined’ the art of modern batsmanship.

  152. #152 by newguy on May 23, 2010 - 12:05 AM

    Khansahab / Javed Khan,

    Few random comments.

    First, I don’t get easily offended, especially on a religious matter, which may sound strange because religion in number one reason many people get offended. Not me though, perhaps because I am not a highly religious person, and for me Hinduism and being Hindu has nothing to do with gods, this is one of the things about Hinduism and why it is sometimes called a way of life, you can follow the teachings on scriptures as ideals for a good living and don’t have to offer a prayer or so. I rarely do, but I have learned plenty of morals from the scriptures. Also my belief in good nature of humans is not tied to any religion and my principles are not egg shell thin.

    Second, when I never said Hindus allowed Muslims to rule over them. I said about the concept of the transformative power of the culture in the land called as India. Surely, there were many wars between Hindu kings and Muslim rulers. But, the Muslim rulers wanted to stay on in that land and contribute, why? it must have something to do with uniqueness qualities found there. It is easy to say that they could have converted everyone to Muslim, but in reality that is not possible, there will be a lot of bloodshed and in the end you cannot rule a land if you are not going to fair. So, in essence they may have had the military power but they could not achieve their objective of ruling peacefully without first being fair to the local populace. The locals in returns must have given something back as well.

    Anyhow, all of this is history prior to India-Pakistan partition, it may or may not apply in today’s age.

    This is all very complicated topic, and surely we cannot settle it here on this blog.

  153. #153 by Omer on May 23, 2010 - 3:00 AM

    Khansahab,

    Let me clarify why I think Sehwag is better than Tendulkar. To be honest I judge the players more on talent than effeciency. It is a, sort of, bias I have. But, even apart from that, Sehwag is an impact player and wins matches more than Tendulkar (at the test level).

    Anyway, coming back to that thing of Sehwag’s hand-eye co-ordination, it is probably unparalleled in modern cricket and quite close to that of the Don. Consider the fact that, he can without an effecient or orthodox technique, demolish oppositions, make 200s, and 300s?

    Whenever he crosses 50, he ends up making a 100, and most of the times he makes a 100, he ends up with somewhere around 200. If you just look at him at that point, when he is close to 200, it seems like he is disinterested, and that is when he gets out. What you don’t consider is that, how well the player see’s the ball– his high scores and ability to belt bowlers once set, suggests that he see’s the ball like a football once set.

    When I see a player like Mohammad Hafeez, he is the exact opposite: His technique is complete, in fact quite clearly he has copied the exact same technique as that of Tendulkar, but the person makes 10 runs each time and never more than 25. How else can you explain that, but a complete lack of talent, in that the ball simply never gets bigger for him?

    This is why I prefer a player like Fawad Alam to Mohammad Hafeez. Alam when he crosses 20 tends to see the ball bigger and his scores average higher when he crosses that pont. This is also why I have considered Shoaib Malik a very limited player, who can’t play in the team as a batsman.

    So, for me, Kallis and Tendulkar are relatively more limited players than Sehwag.

  154. #154 by Omer on May 23, 2010 - 3:48 AM

    Just look at the innings-by-innings stats of the ultimate batsman:

    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/4188.html?class=1;template=results;type=allround;view=innings

    Quite clearly, when he crosses a 100, he ends up closer to 200 than 110.

    And, he makes 1s and 0s as well, but when he crosses 30, 40– he typically makes it very big.

    Donald Bradman obviously relied more on hand-eye co-ordination than an orthodox technique and was a very instinctual player, who played attacking cricket.

    I’d say, to a lesser extent, Sehwag is the same ‘kind’ of player, who plays even more attackingly, instinctually, and makes big scores.

    On the other hand Tendulkar is (relatively) a lot more constrained player– and one reason is that, once you are playing completely technically, you avoid hitting the good balls, and you can’t dominate the bowlers so long as they bowl at the good spots.

  155. #155 by Omer on May 23, 2010 - 5:24 AM

    Khansahab,

    It is strange that you mentioned that, the warrior races of pathans and persians ruled over India. I really get confused by that region– but I thought pathans are like the Afridis, which have been in that region before the invasions even took place. Mostly, there were Central Asian invasions, you could say some of them originated from Afghanistan, but would you say calling them pathans would be correct?

  156. #156 by Mohammed Munir on May 23, 2010 - 5:30 AM

    Afridi comming back to Test cricket is great news and more than his batting, his bowling and most importantly his captanciy (leadership) is required for our team.

    Leadership can neither be taught nor achieved by expereince, it is something natural. Either you have it, or not, and the fact is Afridi is a natural leader period.

    I am sure Afridi will ‘try’ to bring back Y & Y.

    Razzaq, to me, is not as important for test team as are Y & Y and Afridi, but still I think he should be in our test squad for any eventuality.

  157. #157 by khansahab on May 23, 2010 - 6:33 AM

    Omer

    Your arguments on Sehwag v Tendulkar are noted. I hope you can understand that I don’t want to be sucked into another long and very possibly unfruitful discussion about who is better and for what reason. I will be repeating many of the points I have already made in relation to this just like you have.

    It is a matter of personal preference. If there was no Tendulkar, there would be no Sehwag. Sehwag himself says this and many critics and commentators say it.

    Anyhow I hope you will pardon me for not participating in this particular discussion. You are aware that I consider Sehwag to be a destructive player and there is no doubt he has more match willing ability than Tendulkar.

  158. #158 by khansahab on May 23, 2010 - 6:35 AM

    Afridi no automatic choice for ODI captaincy: Ijaz

    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is yet to decide on the ODI captaincy and Shahid Afridi is not the automatic choice to lead the national side in next month’s Asia Cup, chairman Ijaz Butt said on Saturday. Afridi, current Twenty20 captain, was being tipped to lead Pakistan in the June 15-25 Asia Cup in Sri Lanka but Ijaz said a decision would be taken on May 25. “We will announce the captain for the Asia Cup on May 25 after a meeting of the selection committee. Until now we have not decided or discussed any names as yet for the captaincy,” Ijaz said. Ijaz said the captaincy issue would be decided after taking into account report of the manager and coach on the performance of the team in the recent Twenty20 World Cup. He said the selectors had been told to finalise a list of 30 players for the Asia Cup and a full tour of England this summer. Sources said the 30 players would be asked to attend a conditioning camp before the final squads are announced for the Asia Cup and England tour. Chief selector Mohsin Khan also made it clear that nothing has been decided as yet on the captaincy or selection of players. “We will only meet on May 25 with the Board chairman to take these decisions,” he said. The governing board of the PCB has also been called for a meeting on May 23 in which the performance of team in the Twenty20 World Cup and other issues would be discussed. “The concept of having two separate captains or one captain for the coming one-day and Test matches will be discussed at this meeting,” one source said. Opener Salman Butt is being tipped to be named captain of the Test side.

  159. #159 by khansahab on May 23, 2010 - 6:44 AM

    Omer

    The Mughals (or Mongols) are descendants of Mongol rulers who were obviously Mongoloid (Genghis Khan). These people moved into Central Asia.

    At the same time there was another race around Afghanistan and Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa, that of the Pathans. The Pathans go back centuries but it is thought they are descendants of Greek or some kind of European races. However the Pathans had some presence in North India as well.

    I don’t know if you have heard of the famous Pashtun ruler, Sher Shah Suri? He was one of those warriors who were involved in a power struggle with the Mughals. However, both of these had a common enemy, that of the Punjabis who lived in that region (mostly Sikhs).

    If you look into the Mughal history you will see many “Khans” invading Mughal lands and many Hindu rebellions and invasions.

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 23, 2010 - 7:09 AM

    Is it worth to select Salman Butt as captain of the test side?

    Salman Butt whose place in the playing XI was doubtful in the T20 WC, and he scored some good runs doesn’t mean he should suddenly be the captain of Pakistan team. Butt has no experience of captaincy nor, he is a captaincy material. He is “a keep” in the team because he is a Butt, and secondly, he is an erratic batsman, who has never been consistent except for these 4 matches he played in the T20 WC. His fielding is pathetic and he is not a bowler. So, when he doesn’t score he is a liability, a drag in the team. His English is slightly better than others (andhaon may kaana Raja) doesn’t guarantee him to represent Pakistan as a captain in any form of the game.

    Changing the team captain for every single tour is a disaster recipe, especially since Afridi has agreed to play test matches and his average in terms of bowling, batting and even fielding is better than Salman Butt in test matches, there is no point in not making him captain.
    He lead the team well in the WC considering it has his first assignment and taking a demoralized team into the tournament without some of the senior players and key bowler Umar Gul, yet the team fought well and reached the semis and that was the best match of the tournament that Pakistan lost to Australia. Had they won that semifinal, it would have been easier for them to beat England. Anyways, no ifs and buts now but, the point is his captaincy was good and people can debate why he chose Ajmal to bowl the last over?

    Afridi’ captained his side better than Michael Clarke of Australia. He must be made captain of the ODI as well as the test team. Ijaz Butt is a real Big PITA to the game of cricket and he should be fired without a second thought. He is ruining the game of cricket in Pakistan.

  161. #161 by khansahab on May 23, 2010 - 7:40 AM

    Salman is best choice for Tests: Wasim Akram

    LAHORE: With several nations experimenting with separate captains for different formats of the game, Pakistan could well follow suit. Prolific opener Salman Butt is on the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) radar to take over as new Test skipper. With Test series coming up against England and Australia, Pakistan are hunting for a skipper and Salman seems to be ahead of T20 captain Shahid Afridi. Salman has a few supporters too, including former captain Wasim Akram. After being humiliated in Australia (Pakistan lost the Test, ODI and T20 matches), Mohammad Yousuf was stripped of his captaincy. Afridi may have done a good job in the limited over format, but the all-rounder does not make the Test squad. Hence, Wasim feels Salman is the best option available.

    Speaking to a sports channel on Wednesday, Wasim said: “Salman has performed really well in recent times. Afridi’s place in the Test squad is not fixed, so there is no question of him being made the skipper. In the absence of senior blokes like Mohammad Yousuf, Younus Khan and Shoaib Malik, Salman is the right choice for the job.” Pakistan cricket continues to grab the headlines for the wrong reasons and a leaked video of a recent PCB probe is now making news. Wasim is keeping safe distance from allegations of match fixing apparently made by former manager Intikhab Alam and ex-bowling coach Aaqib Javed.

    Reports say Intikhab and Aaqib are suspecting Kamran Akmal’s involvement in match-fixing during the series against Australia in December-January. Staying clear of this, Wasim said he was ‘happy’ not to be part of the probe. “I have read it in the newspapers. I was also a part of this inquiry and thank God, I could not make it due to my television commitments. I could not attend any of their meetings.” The 43-year-old Wasim also felt there was a lot of mistrust between the players and the PCB. “One thing is for sure, players have lost faith in the Board and vice-versa. This was a very private inquiry. So I do not think next time anybody will trust the PCB. This is not on. The players have gone through a lot. They performed badly in Australia and then went through a lot of probes. But they did well to reach the T20 World Cup semi-finals.”

  162. #162 by khansahab on May 23, 2010 - 7:48 AM

    Is it correct to experiment by appointing a relatively inexperienced player as captain (who is not an automatic selection) in such a high profile Test series?

    Razzaq and Afridi have announced their availability for Tests. It is unclear whether Malik and Misbah would return to international cricket.

    When Butt was promoted to vice captain his batting completely failed. Does he have the mental strength to perform in challenging conditions in England?

    Afridi should be the captain. We know that the bowlers ought to be Asif, Aamer, Gul, Kaneria/Ajmal and Butt, U Akmal, Fawad, Afridi should be the batsmen. Now all that is needed is 3 more players- 1 keeper and 2 specialist batsmen.

    I don’t think the PCB is interested in sorting out Mohd Yousuf. Younis Khan is also not being taken seriously. Pakistan is set to announce the captain and squads next week- I think we can take it as given that Yousuf and Younis will not be in the Test side.

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