From Three Hours to Five Days

The media says that the Pakistan team took sweet revenge by beating Australia twice in a row at Edgbaston in the two T20 games.  Whatever one may call it, these two wins will boost Pakistan’s confidence when they move on from the three hours game to five days.  Playing test matches is a different ball game and it not only requires skills, techniques, strength in every department of the game but, it also requires patience and perseverance, which the Pakistan team is lacking without their two middle order stalwarts Yousuf and Younus.

THE BOOM BOOM MANIA IS HELPING THE PAKISTANIS

THE BOOM BOOM MANIA IS HELPING THE PAKISTANIS

The Boom Boom mania in Birmingham was obvious from the crowd that came to cheer up their wounded and beaten up heroes and they got their monies worth when their so-called favourite team won both the matches in a very convincing manner.  There will be similar kinda support at Lords and Leeds when they play the two test matches starting July 13th, 2010.

The winning virus may soon die off if the young and inexperienced team flops and lose badly against the mighty test playing nation which dominated the world arena in test cricket for over a decade.  They may be number two, just a few points behind India but, that is temporary. Ricky Ponting is a mean captain and Michael Clarke is no less than him in test matches. And Mike Hussey is as dangerous in test as he is in any other form of the game.  Therefore, Pakistan may find themselves in really awkward position if their batsmen try to play the T20 shots and want to reduce a test match from 5 to 3 days. It is possible but, they would be the only losers if they play in haste.

No one understands the logic of keeping Yousuf and Younus out of the test squad except for Ijaz Butt.  While I am writing this thread, the DAWN newspaper reports today that Ijaz Butt is as adamant as before in granting permission to these two great batsmen.  He says, “Yousuf has announced his retirement so there is no question of him coming back.” And for Younus Khan he says: “Younis and his lawyer have given inappropriate statements. There is a players’ code of conduct in place and we will not spare anyone who violates the code.”

Can anyone ask this Adolph Buttler what is the code of conduct and where is it available for anyone’s reference?   Younus Khan who is in the UK says, he is available to play for his country and is ready to play at anytime.  But, Butt thinks that he is at war with Younus Khan, who has been raving and ranting that, “I have no fight with the PCB nor can I think of it. I am a known player because of Pakistan and the PCB.”

But, Butt has no consideration for the player or for his country, he has an inflated ego which is as big as a hot air balloon and it is obvious from his posterior end. The top is totally empty because everything drained down to the Butt.  The unfortunate thing for cricket in Pakistan is there is no one who can kick his butt and ask him to leave.  And, he is such a coward person that where he is supposed to speak and resent against the comments made by Malcolm Speed, he has fixed a silencer to that end from where he mostly speak.

To me the Pakistan test squad seems to be very weak in all departments, except for the spin bowling with Afridi, Ajmal and Kaneria. As regards fast bowling department it is only Aamer.  There is something wrong with Asif he is back in the team and did nothing during the T20 WC in the Caribbean, did nothing in the Asia Cup and bowled pathetically against the counties, hence he did not get a chance in the T20 against Australia.  If he comes back to form and bowls the way he used to bowl then the entire bowling department would appear to be balanced.  Wahab Riaz’s inclusion in the squad baffles me, he failed on many occasion, they should have included the tall Mohammed Irfan in his place and tried him in one of the county matches to test his abilities.

As regards opening batsmen there will be a tussle between Imran Farhat and Yasir Hameed, initially Farhat will get a chance because of his father in law and a lonely century he made during the NZ Australia tour a few months ago.  Yasir Hameed will be shaky and may not play his natural game in an effort to cement his place, hence there will be a negative impact, although slow batting may not effect the game in test matches as long as he contributes with his bat and score big.

The middle order with Malik, Umar Akmal, Kamran Akmal and Afridi is not so reliable because they are all experts of the short version game. I have no clue about Azhar Ali or Umar Amin.

The team looks very united and that is a good sign

The team looks very united and that is a good sign

The only good thing that I see in this team is there is a good camaraderie and Afridi has earned some respect by winning these two T20 matches by leading from the front. Although he failed with the bat but, he bowled, fielded and lead the team very well.

I will be very surprised if Pakistan wins even one test match and draw the series.  Please express your views and comments about how you feel now after Pakistan has won these two T20 games against Australia.


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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 7, 2010 - 3:27 AM

    The euphoria of winning two T20 games against Australia will soon die off when these two nations play test cricket next week.

    What do you think about the Pakistani test squad and what are your feelings? Whether they will win, draw or lose the test series?

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 7, 2010 - 2:08 PM

    I dunno how I missed Umar Gul’s name in the test squad and it was the reason I was worried of the fast bowling department. I guess with Umar Gul bowling the way he is now and if he continues to bowl with accuracy during the test matches he should be a threat to any opposition.

  3. #3 by M. Y. Kasim on July 7, 2010 - 3:12 PM

    Javed A. Khan,

    An excellent analises thread. About Azhar Ali, Javed Miandad has spoken very highly of him as a potential Test opener. Umer Amin was a few success story of the Under-19 team that had Umer Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad in it. I have heard and read a lot of praise for him. He has potential to become another star for Pakistan if given a proper chance.

    I will not predict anything else since my preditions have turned upside down!!!!!

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 7, 2010 - 3:36 PM

    LAHORE: Federal Minister for Sports Aijaz Jakhrani will be enjoying yet another trip abroad on the expense of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) as he will be going to England to watch the two Test match series between Pakistan and Australia to be held there starting July 13.

    Sources told Dawn that the PCB chairman and minister for sports are scheduled to go to England on July 10.

    Earlier, the minister had also made a trip to the West Indies, courtesy to the PCB, to watch the World T20 matches there. It seems that both the PCB chairman and the minister have become close during all this travel following their cold war over the new PCB constitution.

    It may be mentioned here that Jakhrani, soon after he took charge of the Ministry of Sports, had attempted to get control of the PCB through the new constitution. But he was given strong opposition by the PCB in the matter. The minister’s family, too, enjoyed PCB’s hospitality at the National Cricket Academy last month, something which was kept under wraps.

    Interestingly, though both the chairman and the minister have developed cordial relations, the bone of contention between the two, i.e., the new constitution, is yet to see the light of the day.

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 7, 2010 - 3:44 PM

    Is there anyone in the Country who can stop this BUTTlerism? The Federal Minister of Sports have become a hand in glove with the PCB chairman. The whole ministry and the people ruling the country are corrupt and selfish bastards. They are simply looting the country and filling up their own coffers from the government treasury. They should be hanged by their 3alls.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 7, 2010 - 5:46 PM

    MURALI’S CRAP

    Muttiah Muralitharan in his latest interview to cricinfo has said that he is wary of the future of spinners and he thinks Harbhajan Singh as the only bowler capable of emulating his record feat in Tests.

    Murali shouldn’t worry about how other people would be living their lives after they are dead? There are many spinners and there will be many more in future who are good spinners and to say that ONLY Harbhajan is capable of emulating his record of 792 wickets which he holds currently can be beaten by Harbhajan Singh who at the age of 30 has taken only 355 wickets in 83 test matches is rubbish. In 12 years Harbhajan played 83 test and took 355 wickets an average of 4.27 wickets per test match. which means he played an average of 7 test matches per year. If Harbhajan plays for another 5 years he would play a maximum of 35 more matches. So, Murali thinks that Harbhajan can take 88 wickets each year and 13 wickets in every single test match? He is living in some kinda cuckoo world.

    Murali loves to talk without using his gray matter. In any case I don’t want to see any young player emulating Murali’s style of bowling. His and Harbhajan’s doosra are definitely illegal no matter what the bio-medic specialists have to say but, the fact is they both chuck. Ask Bhishen Singh Bedi.

  7. #7 by khansahab on July 7, 2010 - 7:15 PM

    Fans will be glued to see the return of Afridi to see how he adapts to the 5 day format after such a long time.

    Afridi has a decent Test record although it is not as illustrious as his T20 record. Although strangely, Afridi has the worst record in ODI’s, the format which actually made him a household name in Pakistan and all over the cricketing world.

    Batting wise Afridi is better than Malik and Misbah, bowling wise I feel he can be equally effective as Ajmal in Tests. It is likely that Pakistan’s premier spinner, Kaneria will be dropped for the first Test as it will be folly to play 3 specialist spinners.

    The weakest links in the team are Malik, Farhat and Akmal, all of whom who will play the first match. Whereas Malik is captivated within the shackles of mediocrity, Farhat is a hit-and-miss player and Akmal is a genuine match loser, easily the worst wicketkeeper to have played for a Test playing nation.

    My assessment is that Pakistan need to exploit their strengths (which are very limited on this tour) in order to overcome these 3 abovementioned players who will contribute in Pakistan’s defeats.

  8. #8 by khansahab on July 7, 2010 - 7:21 PM

    Butt, Malik and U Akmal are the main batsmen for Pakistan and they need to play big innings. Butt and Malik both have trouble playing pace, bounce and swing, the problem is that Johnson and Bollinger bowl with pace, swing and bounce.

    Johnson can get hit around in T20, but in Tests if the mediocre Pakistani batsmen don’t attack him, he will decimate the batting order. He is a thinking bowler and he has variety.

  9. #9 by khansahab on July 7, 2010 - 7:26 PM

    On Pakspin on the latest thread, there is a comment from an “Arfan” and an “Asaf”.

    Is this the mischief of someone from this blog? It is certainly not me! If they are genuine commentators than this is further evidence that paindooness is a reality, not a myth 🙂

  10. #10 by khansahab on July 7, 2010 - 7:59 PM

    Rashid compliments Pakistan team for breaking Australia jinx

    KARACHI, July 7 (APP): Former Pakistan Captain Rashid Latif Qureshi on Wednesday complimented Pakistan cricket team and Captain Shahid Afridi for breaking the winning jinx against Australia by wrapping-up two Twenty20 International series.“Its is good and encouraging win but Pakistan’s real test starts with the opening Test against Australia at Lords,” he told APP in an interview.

    ‘”This definitely a morale-boosting win after losing 13 matches at trot against Australia,” he commented.“Test series will be different ball game and it will be real test of our batsmen and bowlers. Pakistan is very in shorter version of the game but it will be big challenge in the 5-day Test matches,” he pointed.
    He said Pakistan got a number of talented players in their line-up and they must prove themselves in Test matches.
    Commenting on Shahid Afridi captaincy, he said he has done well so for but it would be tough for him in Test matches. “If Afridi come in Test match it will be a great sign for the team,” he maintained. Responding to a question about Pakistan’s middle order batting, he said that is gray area.
    Without experienced Muhammad Yousuf and Younus Khan we have to wait for the result in the first Test. It will be great opportunity for youngsters to show their talent and fill the gap,” he said.The result in the first Test will set the trend that where Afridi’ team stand in longer version.

  11. #11 by M. Y. Kasim on July 7, 2010 - 8:46 PM

    Hello everyone,

    See how my predictions on the FIFA World Cup turned upside down???

    Now I predict that Australia will dominate and whitewash Pakistan in the forthcoming Test series.

  12. #12 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 7, 2010 - 11:32 PM

    khansahab

    Rashid Latif is commenting after reading our new thread. 😀 Is there anything different he is talking about than what we have written in this current thread?

  13. #13 by Mohammed Munir on July 8, 2010 - 6:36 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Absolutely fantastic analysis and well thought comments. This new thread have correctly summarized the entire current situation of Pakistan cricket along with highlighting our strengths and weaknesses.

    Decoding your detailed thread, we come up with a very good SWOT analysis of the Pakistan cricket and PCB.

    On T20, actually Pakistan played terrific T20 games and winning 2 out of 2 and that too against Australia was just great.

    Umar Akmal, Umar Gul and Mohammed Aamir were simply superb. Although, Umar Akmal and Aamir won the MOM for the first and second match respectively, but Gul was the real difference for me as he made Hussey into a ‘Khassi’ in both the games by taking his wickets.

    Seeing the way Pakistan is playing their shorter version of the game, PCB should request ICC to convert their two Tests matches into 10 T20 games against Australians. 😛

    Finally, Shahid Afridi was totally exceptional with his pumped-up and motivating leadership qualities. Afridi was a live-wire on the field and his bowling, fielding, leading-from-the-front and even his scolding players for any mistakes was exactly what we needed from a Pakistani captain. Pakistan team is playing like one unit under him and I just hope and pray that they keep on playing a good and fighting cricket for the rest of the season, because if they did just that, the winning will come automatically.

  14. #14 by Mohammed Munir on July 8, 2010 - 6:39 AM

    Kasim Sahab …

    LOL @ your football predictions.

    I suggest that you should seriously think about keeping a pet ‘octopus’ for correctly predicting the winners. 😉

    That German octopus, Paul, is doing what in India/ Pakistan is done by our parrots (Faal Nikalnay Wala Tota), but Paul is much more accurate. 😆

    BTW, I too am not any good in picking the winning teams and all of my favourites and even extended favourites are gone.

    Brazil, Argentina, Germany and Italy … all out. I wanted the Netherlands to loose after they defeated Brazil in quarter-finals but they won the semis and similarly I was not in particular fond of Spain and they too made it to the finals.

    From the experience so far, it is like whichever team I want to win they loose and vice versa. Talk about some luck !!

    It’s all ‘Ulta-Pulta’ for me.

    Now I want the Netherland to loose against the Spaniards in the finals and therefore I am supporting Netherland. 😉

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 8, 2010 - 2:14 PM

    Munir

    Didn’t I write before on this blog about how the octopus will rule this world? I think it was Omer whom I addressed my comment and he was laughing at my comment. Anyways, I still hold my view and we may not be alive then, first it will be the Chinese who will rule the world and then the Octopus. Because, they have such a great ability to change their colours, shape and size and blend into the environment. I wrote a lot about it on this blog. May be if I search I can find out on which thread I wrote that and when? But, it is not so long ago. Take care but, don’t put your money at Paul’s predictions.

  16. #16 by newguy on July 8, 2010 - 2:15 PM

    Congratulations to all Pakistan fans for the T20 wins over Australia. This must taste sweet after the defeat in T20 WC and all those losses to Australia before that. To make it even better both of these matches were similar situation to T20 match final moments, with MEK Hussey at the crease needing 50 to 35 runs in 3-4 overs. The difference this time of course is Umar Gul, his yorkers are remarkable in the end and very difficult to hit him around, and he gets wickets in the end overs.

    On to soccer/football Spain did it finally, defeating Germany and their run. What is more Spain complete out played Germany by keeping the ball 60% to 70% of the time, it was all mastery of the field, especially in the mid field where they controlled the game and at points Germany’s 10 players were being toyed around with trying to get the ball back while Spain kept passing the ball to each other with so much precision. And when the time came they did it with a header from defender Carolo Puyol of all the people.

    I think Spain’s presence in the final make it worthy of a final, since Germany-Netherlands would have been another lackluster affair, sorry Varun but these two teams do not have the flair, they are good teams but we need some flair to football movements, and Spain got it. Now, since all of my teams failed to make it, I won’t go too far into supporting Spain, like Munir is doing. I will stay perfectly neutral and enjoy the game on Sunday.

  17. #17 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 8, 2010 - 2:17 PM

    newguy

    I thought you are in Sri Lanka 😀 Anyways, good to see ya back.

  18. #18 by Varun Suri on July 8, 2010 - 3:47 PM

    Newguy,

    I think you need to take a look at the history of football and then decide for yourself out of al the European Teams which Team has the Flair and the Mastery of Football.

    You would be surprised to know that Germany has overtaken Brazil in both the number of matches played in the World Cup and also the total number of Goals scored.

    While not taking anything away from the Spaniards, this is the first time in their history that they are able to dictate terms and for the first time they have reached a World Cup final. I do not know by living in the USA maybe your idea of Football is influenced by American Football in some way or the other but I still do not understand why and how you can come to the conclusion that Germany-Netherlands will be a lacklustre affair both are attacking teams and do not like to defend endlessly like the Italians or even the Spaniards.

    I find this Spanish team excessively arrogant and too proud of their achievements forgetting about their history in Football. The best example is in the following video which was after Spain beat Germany again by 1-0 in the Euro 2008.

    I don’t know exactly what your definition of Flair is but to me it is definately scoring more goals and playing attacking Football and in this respect both Holland and Germany have been historically much better teams than Spain.If you don’t believe me ask the Football Pundits!

    There’s no doubt that Spain has perfected the Art of Passing as someone said on BBC that they have the Perfect Passing Syndrome but that is not all what makes Football attractive. Germany is known to be a Tournament Football Team which is best shown by their truly exemplary record in the World Cups.

    Both the times(Euro 2008 Final) Spain won 1-0 against Germany that means there is a very small difference between both the teams.

    Anyways, I hope to be in the Netherlands this weekend to catch up with the World Cup excitement in the country and hopefully the Dutch will tame the arrogant Spanish midgets.

  19. #19 by Varun Suri on July 8, 2010 - 3:57 PM

    Oh by predicting correctly the loss of Germany, there is suddenly a great demand for the Meat of Paul baba the tantrik Octopuss here in Germany. No wonder it predicted the loss of Germany correctly as he/she/it was born and bred in England before it was brought over to Germany.

    Coming back to Cricket, it was hillarious to see what Muralitharan said about Harbhajan while he may not be able to touch 500 Wickets as well but surely he is a much better batsmen than Muralitharan!

    I am not sure whether I want Pakistan to do well in the forthcoming series primarily because I would like to see both Yousuf and Younis back in the team and just in case they perform well then we will have to bear more of Shoaib Malik and his pals, which I am sure will be detrimental for the development of the Young Pakistani Cricketers. I will be surprised if Shoaib Malik is a changed personality after all what he has done to harbour groupism within the team as they say in rustic hindi Kutte ki dum kabhi seehi nahi hoti

    Maybe it is the Mirza effect and he will improve both as a Batsmen and Politician, that remains to be seen.

  20. #20 by M. Y. Kasim on July 8, 2010 - 4:15 PM

    Munir Sahab,

    There actually is a Parrot in Malayasia who is predicting that Holland would win the FIFA World Cup !!!

    I just watched the news on a Pakistani TV channel. It did look similar to what we were/are seeing in our streets.

    BTW, I am thinking of becoming an Amrikee Baba and start predicting the Travel plans, Wedding details and Money matters to whosoever need it 🙂

  21. #21 by newguy on July 8, 2010 - 7:46 PM

    Varun,

    I have been following every World Cup football tournament since 1986 when Argentina won WC with Maradona’s skills primarily, I was in India at that time and used to get up early in the morning to watch the games, then remember 90′ world cup that used to be late in the night and that one Germany won.

    I know history, Germany is traditionally a very good team, and probably the best among all European teams, but this German team is young and as shown by yesterday’s match not yet in the same league as some of the older ones. We are discussing in the context of this tournament, and Spain definitely was better team yesterday.

    You dissed Spains passing techniques, if Germany is so attacking why didn’t they just get the ball and attack, and even on one or two occasions when they got the ball they could not penetrate the Spanish defense 😉 They played attacking games against teams whose defense were weak, but when came up against a team like Spain with mastery over the ball fell short.

    I don’t know why you call them arrogant, every team celebrates, I didn’t see any arrogance yesterday in the field, but I did see that your favorite Dutch acting like cry babies in the match against Brazil and again against Uruguay. They were diving too much whenever an opposition player came close by and acting up with all kind of histrionics to get free kicks, penalty, so on. Players like Arjen Robben were showing such drama by diving so much that it was clear that it was fake.

    I think Spain is going to whup the Dutch in the final 🙂 anyhow, I have no dog left in this fight, so whatever happens I will enjoy.

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 8, 2010 - 9:07 PM

    I think Holland will win the cup. Spaniards are more like Aussies, the cry a lot when they lose. Anyways, my support is for the Dutchmen.

  23. #23 by Varun Suri on July 8, 2010 - 9:15 PM

    Newguy,

    Good that you mentioned that you were talking in the context of this World Cup because I also agree that Yesterday Spain was a better team and everyone knows that this German Team is a very young team that is why everyone including the Germans did not have very high expectations of them it was only when they crushed Argentina people started believing that they can go all the way. They are still young with the possible exception of Klose everyone will play in the next World Cup and their time will come where as Spain is a team which performs like once in 50 Years. There is no comparison of who is more attacking when you would see that Spain has only a positive goal difference of 5 goals while Germany has 9. You can go on about England and Argentina being defensive teams but Spain did not do any better against the kind of oppostion they met.

    Well I mentioned in my previous comment that Spanish have perfected the art of keeping the ball in the past 4 years and that is what stopped Germany from being their usual attacking self. The Germans could not find a way to break into the Spanish defense and otherwise there wasn’t much difference between the two. Having more ball Possession does not mean that it is a better team, both England and Argentina had more ball possession than Germany. I find it hard to belive that Argentina’s defence was so weak that they suffered their worst defeat in more than 30 Years.

    As far as my favourites are concerned I never said that Netherlands are my favourite team, my favourite team is and will always be Germany and Dutch is just my home team because currently i reside in the Netherlands and the only reason why i would like to see them win is because Spain defeated Germany.

    And everyone does this kind of acting on the field and believe you me that the Dutch are not the first to play like this, Italians and Spanish have been far worse then them in the previous World Cups not to forget the South American giants so I would not single out them for any drama it is the referee’s fault if he did not judge a foul correctly.

  24. #24 by Varun Suri on July 8, 2010 - 9:32 PM

    Javed A. Khan,

    It is not very often that “I am agree” with your comments but on this one I totally agree with you. Spanish,Italians and other Latino Teams are more emotional kind of people and if they win they celebrate over the top and if they lose they cry their heart out where as I don’t remember seeing any German crying for as long as I have followed Football. Maybe the English are also tough in this respect or everytime they know already in the beginning that they are not going to make it to the Semis or beyond so they are emotionally well prepared. There is a very famous picture of a famous English player Paul Gascoigne in tears after he missed a decisive penalty in 86 or 90, not sure but that was the first and last time I saw any Gora in tears.

    Newguy,

    As far as Whipping Holland is concerned even if Spains wins I don’t see them winning by more than a margin of One Goal with the kind of passing football they play.

    You said that there is nothing wrong with such in your face celebration but if anytime Germans win and do the same then the whole Press will go ga-ga about their behaviour, already yesterday some South-african Newspaper compared Schweinsteiger with Hitler and Unfortunately they carry such a Historical-Excess-Baggage that One’s got to get frustrated or lose their composure because of constant reminders of 1945. Even in the English press they used words like Blitzkrieg or WW-3. I saw some Englishmen dressed as RAF pilots in the Stadium good that they were crushed so badly as it would have happened during the WW-2 if USA would n’t have jumped to save the World and take the baton from Hitler for the rest of the 20th Century.

  25. #25 by Omer on July 9, 2010 - 12:25 AM

    Newguy,

    Germany has lost now twice against Spain. It means that something’s wrong with their style of play.

    I was reading the German coach’s interview in which he said when they were laying the vision for their approach towards football sometime back, one of the points they settled on was that the team would be pro-active. He defined pro-active as having a approach in which once they decided to settle on their style of play, they would stick with it, regardless of the style of the opposition team. That is very rigid, and I think that is what cost them. Germany had mastered the counter-attacks, but there is also another subtle difference in their recent style of play: They don’t kick in the goal from further away as they used to, they make sure to take the ball all the way to the goal through runs and passes and touch it in the post. With a team as solid in defense as Spain, they should have also kicked from further away (even if at least to throw the defenders confidence off) time and again. However, they weren’t versatile and they didn’t adapt, despite losing to Spain in the Euro Cup finals. Even after 90 minutes, in extra time, when they took the ball with all the Spanish team on defense, they tried to pass all the way through. This is why this ‘fixed approach’ would fail against certain teams (jusst because of the opposition’s style of play) and that is probably also why they lost against Serbia.

    On the other hand, however ugly Dutch football looks in terms of the style of play, they do tend to hit accurate kicks from further away. Sometimes just because of luck, the ball ends up in the goal in their case. Although I am backing Spain as it is a complete team, I think the Netherlands also stand a good chance.

  26. #26 by Omer on July 9, 2010 - 1:22 AM

    In the practice match against the English county, Pakistan has played Saeed Ajmal instead of Kaneria. Saeed Ajmal is a good specialist 20/20 bowler, but it is insane to play him over Kaneria. Ajmal doesn’t take wickets or doesn’t bowl balls which get the batsmen out, he merely tricks the batsman when the batsman tries to pre-meditate his shots in 20/20.

    Akmal shouldn’t be played as a wicketkeeper. He could be played as a batsman to replace Malik. He will drop 4 catches at average— he can’t replace 4 Pieterson’s, he isn’t good enough to bat like 4 Pietersons in 2 innings.

    These are disastors in the making: At this rate Afridi will lose the captaincy and Waqar would lose the coaching position, as they simply can’t make the team win unless at least they make these two changes. They will keep on losing test series upon the next, and there is no captain or coach who can sustain their positions with a team that will consistently lose.

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 9, 2010 - 3:24 AM

    Asif’s bowling form is PATHETIC, even at county level he cannot take wickets and he was the most expensive bowler. If he can’t get out these tinsy mincy batsmen the how do you expect him to get wickets of players like, Ponting, Hussey, Clarke, Collingwood, Pietersen, etc.? Zulqarnain Haider played today and God knows how he kept the wickets? Almost all the fast bowlers who bowled today do not have any class, especially Wahab Riaz, that guy has no idea where he is bowling and get whacked by every tom, dick and harry.

  28. #28 by Omer on July 9, 2010 - 4:07 AM

    Javed Khan,

    I am in your agree. They shouldn’t play Wahab Riaz. The other thing is, there are two Guls: One that bowls short chest-high and the other that bowls yorkers and bouncers. In England the conditions are swing-conducive, so bowlers who pitch the ball up are likely to do well. Wahab Riaz bangs the ball in, whereas if Gul bowls fuller and reverse the ball, he can be a much better bowler. The only place where I can think of an ‘Australian’-style (chest-high) bang-in bowler is old tradford. If there were a match in Old Tradford, they should have taken Mohammad Irfan with them. Harmison also does very well in those sort of bouncy conditions.

  29. #29 by newguy on July 9, 2010 - 1:31 PM

    Spanish team is the front runners for fair play award this WC. Something to consider when comparing styles. They don’t have to foul to get the ball and keep the ball, it’s a fine skill, if it was easy then every team could do it, if you watch the games you would see that their passes are so precise and they know exactly where every one of their players are.

    Not only to they keep the ball, they are always trying to advance the ball, and get scoring opportunities. It is true they haven’t scored many goals, but it’s their style of play, Germany likes to attack and play, but it works against teams that leave the gate open, like Argentina did and England did, leaving only goal keeper to defend against three sometimes four strikers.

    In the end, it’s okay with me whoever wins, but we have to be balanced. Just because Latin folks are emotional and Germans are not, does not mean than now Latins are somehow inferior. Sound very much like sub-continental people to me, how can Indian-Pakistanis blame Latins being emotional about sports 😉

    Germans of course carry the baggage of history, it is true, and it will be there with them, they have to be extra careful in mending their image in front of world.

    I also see many veiled insults and dislike for USA in many posts, not to single out anyone, but it is clear that I will have to take a strong opposition to that, especially references to USA taking baton from Hitler made by Varun above, I find this highly offensive. There was also some anti-semitic comments earlier. I am a centrist politically, and hence will find such views as polarizing. If we can keep the political inferences out of the discussion it will be nice, otherwise I will stop posting here.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 9, 2010 - 2:42 PM

    Omer

    Perhaps Mohammed Irfan doesn’t have someone behind him, if there was anyone like Malik has, he would have been in the team. Ijaz Butt is a joker he is more interested about his trips, his TA, DA and his clout. He has been making money since he has been appointed as the chairman of the PCB, and no one has the guts to remove him because he has full support from Zardari who himself is a very corrupt person. So, don’t expect that they should have included Mohammed Irfan in the squad. They didn’t include Yousuf and Younus only because of Butt’s inflated EGO.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 9, 2010 - 2:55 PM

    how can Indian-Pakistanis blame Latins being emotional about sports 😉 ) newguy

    newguy

    Indians and Pakistanis are emotional and the crowd is very noisy but, they don’t whine after losing a match or, keep lamenting about how bad the umpiring or, the pitch was or, some stupid reason. And, you know that the soccer hooligans are more vocal, vulgar, vociferous and destructive. You may never have heard that the cricket crowd went on to the streets and start burning cars or damaging the property, whatever happens inside the ground ends inside the ground. Even here, the hockey fans do the same as the soccer fans. The Latinos, Australian and English soccer fans are reportedly very edgy and cannot accept a defeat gracefully.

  32. #32 by newgy on July 9, 2010 - 4:35 PM

    JAK,

    Agree with you on #31 post completely.

  33. #33 by Varun Suri on July 9, 2010 - 6:10 PM

    newguy@29,

    You don’t need to single out anyone. I will raise my hand up in acknowledging what you have said and without going in any details I would just say that if you’d really know the history well then you’d also agree with me on this one. Maybe you’ve lived in the US long enough to get offended if I say anything against USA but that is just my personal view, you don’t have to either agree or disagree with me. Anyways, let’s leave it here and as you rightly said not mix Politics with Sports.

    Peace 🙂

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 9, 2010 - 6:44 PM

    The earlier report that JHARKANI the Minister of sports was going to the UK with BUTT to watch the test matches, he now has denied about the report published in Dawn, and is spokesman said that Jakhrani was going to the UK on his personal expenses for the treatment of his son after seeking necessary permission from the Prime Minister of Pakistan.

    People do not have food to eat, water to drink or any energy because of load shedding and the Minister is going to the UK for the treatment of his son who reportedly had rash on his bum that he got from Ijaz’s Butt.

  35. #35 by khansahab on July 9, 2010 - 8:20 PM

    Miandad slams Butt, says PCB ruining Younus’ career

    Power struggle in Pakistan Cricket Board shows no signs of abating with former captain Javed Miandad on Friday lashing out at PCB chairman Ijaj Butt, alleging that the Board has lost all its prestige and is out to destroy the career of Younus Khan.

    Miandad, also the PCB director-general cricket, said in an interview that he was fed up with the prevailing situation in the board where Butt was running a one-man show.

    “How can I keep quiet when wrong decisions are being taken, when the board is bent upon wasting the career of a player like Younus Khan, when the Chairman listens to no one?” he asked.

    Miandad, a veteran of 124 Tests, didn’t attend Thursday’s governing council meeting, prompting Butt to pass some sarcastic remarks in the press conference.

  36. #36 by Mohammed Munir on July 10, 2010 - 10:15 AM

    The Biggest and Longest Six … Afridi offcourse, who else ? 😉

    Enjoy …

  37. #37 by khansahab on July 10, 2010 - 1:09 PM

    Afridi said yesterday that the Pakistan team can beat Australia in the Tests but today Waqar contradicted Afridi and commented that this is a learning tour for Pak’staan.

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 10, 2010 - 7:36 PM

    khansahab

    That is the problem with the team management they have no coordination with the captain or the team members. Intikhab Alam used to do the same and now Waqqa is doing the same.

  39. #39 by khansahab on July 10, 2010 - 7:42 PM

    Please watch this ad below. The man who starts speaking in English is so hilarious although I feel sorry for him:

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 11, 2010 - 1:14 PM

    I know we all would be watching soccer final this afternoon and here, even for the 3rd position match the streets were literally barren and today is Sunday most people wake up very late and today at 2:30 local time is the start time and I don’t think during this hot and humid conditions anyone would like to be out. There is a big Latino community here and they are all supporting Spain. Holland is like an underdog here and not because of that but I am still supporting Holland for the reasons mentioned earlier. Its a tiny country full of sportsmen and athletes. Besides, soccer they also dominated the game of hockey and literally ruined India and Pakistani hockey style of short passes and dribbling. There are so many cyclists there and they love biking. I have been there twice. Some of the Dutchmen and women who come here in summer hire a bike and enjoy.

    Varun

    Here in downtown Montreal within 2 square kilometers there are 300 BIXI bicycles stands with 3000 bicycles available for rent and the good thing is you can pick up one from any station and drop it anywhere at those 300 stations. All you need is a credit card. In the province of Quebec the bicycle network is 4000 km and reportedly the longest in North America.
    http://ebent.wordpress.com/2007/05/14/offical-opening-of-longest-network-bike-path-in-north-america/

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 11, 2010 - 1:30 PM

    HURR SHAAQ PAY ULLU BAITHA HAI, ANJAAM-E-GULISTAAN KYA HOGA?

    Here is a clipping from the DAWN newspaper which should make most Pakistanis embarrassed and sad. Its not a disaster but, a calamity for the nation that people get fake degrees from universities – not only national but, international – and then, they are ruling the country posing as literates and educated people. By buying degrees one may get jobs at the highest level but, hiding Paindooness and uncouthness is impossible. And this is a sickness which is so obvious among the masses especially in the so-called elite class or the Ameer Tabqa of Pakastan. They have no shame, no remorse, no guilt and the irony is they think it is the right thing to do. What kinda example they are setting for the future generation?

    Anyways, here is that news item, not only men there are women who are holding fake degrees and yet they are senators, ministers and members of the provincial and national assemblies.

    ISLAMABAD: Higher Education Commission (HEC) has formally declared 14 National and Provincial assembly member’s degrees as invalid.

    HEC has also forwarded the report to National assembly’s committee on fake degrees.

    According to a report provided to Dawn News, four members of national assembly, three senators and seven provincial assembly’s members are holding fake degrees.

    The parliamentarians possessing fake degrees include members of Balochistan assembly Shama Parveen Magsi and Rubina Zafar Zehri, Federal Minister Livestock Mir Humayun Aziz Kurd and Federal Minister postal services Israrullah Khan Zehri.

    PML-N’s national assembly member Mazhar Hayat’s degree has also been declared invalid by the American University.

    Legislatures whose degrees have been declared fake by the universities include members’ National assembly Syed Muhammad Sulaiman Mohsin, Punjab assembly’s member Waseem Afzal Gondal, Sameena Khawar Hayat and senator Nawabzada Muhammad Akbar.

    Those holding degrees from unregistered religious institutes include members of Balochistan assembly Abdul Samad, Khyber Pakhtunkhuwa assembly Abdul Qayyum Khan and Gulistan Khan, National assembly’s member Syed Jawed Hussain, and Senator Wali Muhammad Badini. – DawnNews

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 11, 2010 - 1:34 PM

    khansahab

    you have posted a video of that paindoo but, what about the ministers, senators, MNA’s and MPA’s who are holding fake degrees? I have just posted a comment with a news clipping from DawnNews. Any comments? Since you have Karachi connections are there any uneducated, uncouth, uncivilized fake degree holders in Karachi too?

  43. #43 by M. Y. Kasim on July 11, 2010 - 3:58 PM

    Yesterday was one of the happiest day of my life.

    Boys from my beloved EAST PAKISTAN now under the name of Bagladesh beat the boasful England Cricket Team.

    I was so fascinated that I went half a century back when as a young man of 23/24 years of age that I insisted of going back to Dhaka from Chittagong-Chatgaon- for a week to watch Test Match between Pakistan and West Indies team which included, beside others, Gary Sobers, Rohan Kanhai and Wesley Hall, the tall and fearsome fast bowler who started the trend of West Indian fast bowling attack which pulverised the world cricket scene fo over two decades.

    This Bangla team does not have big names but as a unit, they fought like real Tigers. This is the spirit that the Pakistani teams of recent past lack. They are a bunch of selfish and boastful players with inflated egos who are in the team because they have “connections” who believes in “ME” and not in “WE”.

  44. #44 by M. Y. Kasim on July 11, 2010 - 4:10 PM

    Javed A Khan,

    The score of “fake” degree holders are rising. Till last night when I switched of my TV, 42 names have been submitted by the Election Commission to various authorities concerned.

    The good news is that, now all the heads of major departments and institutions are being screened and sorted out. I wish and pray this trend continues and every section of our society are purged of these “JAALI DEGREE HOLDERS”.

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 11, 2010 - 4:59 PM

    Kasim Sahab;

    I wish they clean up and kick all the illiterate bastards out from the government high positions they are holding up till now, the reason for this Jaali degree holders is rising because, out of the many other reasons, the main being Zardari himself is holding a fake degree. Apparently he speaks OK English but reportedly he cannot read like us. His English is more phonetics oriented and not the text book style. If you ask him to read the word “knowledge” he will spell the alphabet “K” as well and might say “Ka No Lig” I guess his speeches are written in phonetics like “is tile” for style, “K-Os” for Chaos etc.

    Regarding Bangladesh winning against England they did that before a few years ago when Ashraful made headlines. But, then England team was not in such a good form as they are now. They are T20 world champions and have beaten Australia convincingly in the final and then won the ODI series against them recently, therefore for Bangladesh to celebrate a victory more like an achievement is worthwhile for them.

    I hope Pakistan’s young blood play like cornered tigers in the test matches and come out as winners, even if they don’t win but, if they fight till the end then you can say they deserve the due. Like Varun says, he will not be very happy because this team will shut the doors for Yousuf and Younus permanently and mediocre players like Malik will remain in the team. I wonder why Fawad Alam is not in the test squad because he is a very gritty player, very determined and very suitable for test matches, he scored 168 on his debut against SL in SL. But, politics keeps him out just like Asim Kamal was kept out. Koi Butt ka Baira garq keray!

  46. #46 by Amir on July 11, 2010 - 5:24 PM

    Hey guys cnt believe my luck to get tickets at the last minute n be in soccer city shakira was just stuning but what is the highlight so far was apearance of nelson mandela. Hope soccer wil be as good lyk both teams but viva holland

  47. #47 by khansahab on July 11, 2010 - 8:37 PM

    Amir

    I am glad you got a chance to see the match and Mr Mandela. Hope you enjoy yourself, best wishes.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 11, 2010 - 9:04 PM

    SPAIN IS WORLD CHAMPIONS………. I was supporting Holland, anyways, congratulations to Spain

  49. #49 by newguy on July 11, 2010 - 10:20 PM

    Spain is the world champions and deservingly so in the end.

    The Dutch lacked skills to match Spain and was very rough in the field, getting many yellow cards and in the end a red card.

    Game was boring for the most part and I was hoping someone would score a goal and end the agony.

    In the end better team won.

  50. #50 by Varun Suri on July 11, 2010 - 10:58 PM

    Javed,

    Yes, Spain won yet again 1-0, Paul baba the Psychic Octopuss proved to be correct once again. I don’t know if Spain will ever be able to win with a margin of more than one goal, in their last 4 matches the scoreline has read 1-0 in their favour next time if Spain is playing I would rather ask Paul baba whether they r going to score more than one Goal or not. Lucky B@#$%^S!!! scored a goal at the 119th minute and won the World Cup so easily.

    Atleast apart from the Spanish the Swiss would be a happy lot tonight as well as they can boast that they beat the World Champions in the first game they played in this World Cup.

    Yes, Cycling is a day to day activity here in the Netherlands but I am still surprised to see the below average performance of Dutch Cyclists in the Tour de France. After living here for allmost 4 years and using a Cycle regularly I thought I have become really good at it but in my recent trip to Germany I rented a bike for 2 Weeks and then I realised why it is so easy to cycle in Holland because the whole country is as flat as a Pancake whereas the area where i was in Germany is quite up and down with lot of hills and I was out of my breadth only after a few minutes of Cycling. Hence even though there are more normal or common people using Cycles here but it is the German, British, French or American cyclists who generally do well in Olympics, Tour de France e.t.c

    I am agree with you when you say that for small nation of 17-18 million people Holland has done pretty well for itself in sports whether be it Football or Hockey.
    In terms of Sporting Talent and results my top 3 Countries have to be Germany, Australia and Holland.

    I do not count USA in it because I don’t follow the most popular American sports which are Basketball, Americain Football and Americain Kirket i.e Baseball however when it comes to Olympics, USA is usually in the Top 3.

    Anyways Congratulations to all the Spanish supporters and until 2014 back to Cricket!

  51. #51 by Mohammed Munir on July 12, 2010 - 8:30 AM

    Spain won and I am not so happy, but I am happy that Netherland lost (Varun – Sorry) 😉 as they beat my favourit Brazil.

    Octopuss won and the Asian parrots lost. I think Paul is professional and better skilled then parrots. Moreover, after predicting only the German games for so long, now Paul have been given added responcibility of naming the winner in international games of other countries, and guess what, Octopuss Baba is correct again. 😉

    Now I think Paul will have extended duties to pick winners for races and gambling besides other sports. 😆

  52. #52 by newguy on July 12, 2010 - 1:17 PM

    Varun / Javed,

    Even after the ugly game they played for 2 hours yesterday, do you still support Holland to win the WC? I suppose if you really like the game then you have to say that they don’t deserve it.

    They played a very violent game, it seems like their strategy was to grab the ball from Spain and not allow their natural passing game, and by doing so if they had to foul they did not bother, but what they failed to realize is that they violated the spirit of the game in the process and lost the support of neutrals.

    In the end, they were playing to kill time and let the match go into penalty shoot out, hoping that they could win by luck as is usually the case with a penalty shootout.

    Spain scored only one goal, and in the 115 minute, but it’s not like they were not pressing forward always, they were. Their game is always to have short passes but keep pressing forward, until they see an opening up front. Germany on the other hand plays a fast game by using four forwards sometimes and all of them race up once they have the ball. This type of game can be very exciting but it is also riskier.

    It’s all over now. Back to cricket then.

  53. #53 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 12, 2010 - 1:56 PM

    Munir

    All the betting guru’s are now plotting how to kidnap Paul Baba. 😉 Man is such a cruel creature that it can use all the animals for his personal benefit i.e., OK and there is always a limit but man surpasses it because of the greed and lust he has, which no other species has. Man has discovered that, Octopuss is one of the cleverest invertebrates on earth and it has an innate ability to do many things, camouflaging and blending into the environment is another.

    I have quoted this before and I am quoting it again, “An octopus has a highly complex nervous system, only part of which is localized in its brain. Two-thirds of an octopus’s neurons are found in the nerve cords of its arms.” There is a myth that the present cosmos is only the last of a series, having arisen in stages from the wreck of the previous universe. In this account, the octopus is the lone survivor of the previous, alien universe?? 😀

  54. #54 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 12, 2010 - 2:09 PM

    newguy

    It takes two to tango, you cannot blame Holland alone for this boring game. Honestly speaking, I lost the interest after watching it for 20 minutes because neither of them were playing well. It was just one goal that made them champions doesn’t mean they are any better than Holland. Among the so many other missed opportunities, Robben missed a simple one and that could have been a deciding goal if he had not missed it, between the goal post and Robben it was the Spanish goalkeeper who by some miracle touched the ball with his leg to divert it slightly otherwise it was a sure goal.

    Yellow or Red cards are not new, in the previous WC too there were many instances and the big matches are like that remember Zidaan and Matarazai? Anyways, like you said, its all over now and back to cricket………

    From tomorrow there will be test matches but, I don’t have the time or the patience to watch for 3 days ooops I mean 5 days 😀 I am going to find out about a new channel which is called ATN Cricket Plus and reportedly they are showing it on that channel, it may cost about $10 per month to add to the bundle. In any case they repeat it on CBN for free the same evening, but repeat is repeat and not live.

  55. #55 by Varun Suri on July 12, 2010 - 2:13 PM

    newguy,

    I made it very clear from the beginning that my favourites were Germany and I was only rooting for Holland on the basis of my geography and nothing else.I agree with you the football was not attractive but the referee did not help to the cause fully by making a few errors in the end. The game could have gone anywhere had Robben grabbed any of his chances properly but since the Octopuss baba had chosen Spain so it had to be their night.

    But in the end it was a bit unfair to lose in the 119th minute I think the Game deserved a Penalty Shoot-Out.

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 12, 2010 - 2:44 PM

    England scored 347/7 in 50 overs and it is all because of Bangladesh’s stupid decision to field first after winning the toss. Even in the last match they won, they batted first and got England out for 231. They should have done the same today. But, there is something wrong with them as well as the Pakistan team that sometimes they make these stupid decisions after winning the toss. If I am given the option after winning the toss, 99.99% of the time I will bat first especially in the shorter version of the game, test match is a different ball game.

    Strauss and Trott scored centuries and Ravi Bopara hit the last nail in the coffin by making 45 in 16 balls, in the last 3 overs England scored 50 runs. Bangladesh, in my opinion have already lost this game. PERIOD.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 12, 2010 - 2:49 PM

    I thought Mohammad Ashraful was not in the squad and he was left behind because of poor form and now I see his name in the playing XI. Is he one of those replacement players for the injured ones? I hope he plays well today, he created records playing against England in England a few years ago. When he is on song he is a delight to watch, small, short player but he plays good strokes, the only reason he was performing badly is because of the pre-meditated shots that he started playing like Misbah ul Haq and getting out in the process. If he plays his natural game, that is playing traditional, conventional shots then he can score big. Anyways, I wish them best of luck despite saying earlier that they have lost this match.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 12, 2010 - 8:58 PM

    A lot of predictions are being made by pundits and gurus ahead of the two test matches that are to be played between Pakistan and Australia. The talk is about “CAN” Shahid Afridi inspire his young team? Does he possess the spark to motivate the team and make them believe in themselves and play against all the odds that are against them? Himself he is playing a test match after 4 years. In my opinion it doesn’t matter because it is all in the mind. As long as you are playing cricket on a regular basis, be it T20 or a 50 over match, it is enough match practice for a good player to shift gears and move into the test drive. Afridi has the ability to perform in test matches and his batting averages in test are better than his T20 and ODI’s. So, I hope he will keep his cool and plays a role model for his team and bat sensibly as a lower middle order batsman.

    The possible team is:

    1 Imran Farhat,
    2 Salman Butt,
    3 Umar Amin,
    4 Azhar Ali,
    5 Umar Akmal,
    6 Shahid Afridi (capt),
    7 Kamran Akmal (wk),
    8 Mohammad Aamer,
    9 Umar Gul,
    10 Danish Kaneria,
    11 Mohammad Asif.

    I don’t like to see Imran Farhat opening or even in the squad because he is a very moody and erratic player. Seldom stays for long and plays a big innings. The only thing that I see is there is NO Malik in the team and that is not a surprise.

    The most important role lies with Kamran Akmal, he will be tested again and if he can keep his cool and keep his focus on catching the ball and by not missing any chance is the only way he can redeem himself as a keeper and it will boost his confidence as well. Otherwise, he will have to sit out and the new keeper will get a chance. Kamran’s batting is his strength at the moment but, keeping the wickets is his main role and if he drop crucial catches no matter how well he may perform with the bat is not going to equate the loss. The over all team’s batting is weak and it is only a matter of “IF” they perform ????? Well, I have no idea about the abilities of Azhar Ali and Umar Amin. Can they be another Umar Akmal? They have to grab this opportunity with both hands and it will put Malik’s future in jeopardy especially in test matches.

  59. #59 by khansahab on July 12, 2010 - 9:46 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I think it was Geo Super that revealed about this supposed line up for tomorrow. It is unlikely Malik and Ajmal would be neglected like this to accommodate Kaneria and Azhar Ali/Umar Amin. Ajmal has been in good form and I think they should try him in the first Test. Plus, it is almost guaranteed Akmal will drop a catch or two off Kaneria.

    There are talks about dropping Malik to favour any of the two new debutants. I wonder why Malik was so difficult to drop when Fawad Alam was in the team especially after Alam made that splendid century? It almost seems like the management would not want to drop Malik for Alam, to maintain some sense of pride.

  60. #60 by khansahab on July 12, 2010 - 10:00 PM

    Javed A Khan

    You asked about degree holders in Karachi. I think it was reported that MQM minister Aamir Liaqat Hussain had a fake degree (although I am not 100% sure). But otherwise all MQM people are degree holders. It is not just that they hold degrees, in most cases their parents and parents’ parents hold degrees too. Most Urdu Speakers you meet will be like this.

    Pakistan was made to be a modern, progressive and fair Islamic republic but for whatever reason the crooks took control and looted the country. The country never got leadership that it deserved and unfortunately the only honest leader since the 1950s (Musharraf) had many problems of his own and could not govern according to his potential. The biggest irony, the biggest shame for this nation is that the most honest leader did not come through “democratic” channels and in fact does not even belong to the ethnicity of the majority of people in the country, does not speak their language, does not belong to their culture and does not even hail from the area that has been known as “Pakistan” for 60+ years.

    In my opinion one of the biggest tragedies to have happened to Pakistan was the marginilisation of the Urdu Speaker, through whatever reason. The biggest weapon the Urdu Speaker has is his passion for equality of all minorities and his passion for upholding justice. I have got to know (mostly unexpectedly) many Urdu Speakers who are disillusioned with Pakistan and the treatment of their kind in Pakistan. It is devastating when you think about what resources these people, who have the wealth of generations of education in their families, could have provided to Pakistan if more of them could have been made to feel like “Pakistanis” the way other ethnic groups feel Pakistani. In terms of education, maturity, analysis, expression etc they are still more competent than other ethnic groups.

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 13, 2010 - 2:25 AM

    khansahab

    apart from GEO, cricinfo has also quoted the same team, I am not sure about their source however, the author of that preview is Brydon Coverdale. In any case the team with Malik may not be that strong except that he has experience and we all know about what?

    The openers and the debutantes need to put up a big score so that Umar Akmal gets a free hand and the experience of Kamran and Afridi must carry on that momentum, otherwise this batting line up is very fragile. The top 4 players needs to understand that they are playing against just a team and names like Johnson, Hilfenhaus and Bollinger are just bowlers. Johnson especially can go into his shell if he is attacked. They have to play with caution against Bollinger, the rest of the bowling can be easily handled. As regards Pakistan’s bowling, they are capable of taking wickets of the best of their batsmen provided no catches are dropped.

  62. #62 by Mohammed Munir on July 13, 2010 - 8:08 AM

    Sahibzada Mohammed Shahid Khan Afridi … ZINDABAAD !!

    This is what he has to say and please also read the pubic comments:

    http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/467070.html

  63. #63 by Mohammed Munir on July 13, 2010 - 10:04 AM

    Quote of the Day …

    Allah has given me two ears: I hear with one and throw it out with the other.

    Shahid Afridi reacts to Ricky Ponting’s promise to “sort him out quickly”.

    PS: An old saying, nicely used by Afridi in context of cricket.

  64. #64 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 13, 2010 - 1:56 PM

    Munir

    Whatever he said, he did not mince his words he was clean, blunt and transparent but, I was also reading a few comments below that interview and some guys are making fun of him by saying, now we know why Afridi doesn’t have anything between his ears. The expression Afridi used is a common one in our part of the world but, for others they are trying to derive a different meaning out of it, trying to make fun of him. Ignorance is bliss, is all I can say about them.

    Over all his interview makes sense, considering how the media always choose certain words and derive a different meaning from it and highlight it, I don’t see anything of that sort except for the above expression that you have quoted. There is nothing Afridi can do with a new team which has hardly any test match experience. Aamer has bowled well and got two important wickets, getting rid of arrogant Watson is always a pleasure to watch and Ricky didn’t get an extra life today. If Katich and Clarke are gone then Australia will be under pressure, because it will be for Hussey to go along with North & Paine in the end the rest is tail.

    Asif finally got thrashed by Clarke 3×4 in one over and got changed, so far Gul is bowling very well, he gave only 10 runs in 6 overs. Let us see how long these two play.

    India against Sri Lanka BP got whacked and their bowling is so weak that 3 centuries were scored. Perhaps India too will score big because there is no Murali in the SL team and their bowling too is very weak in this match.

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 13, 2010 - 5:32 PM

    Pakistan has a chance which they need to capitalize by batting well, they almost got Australia by their horns at 229/9 with only Hussey and Bollinger batting before the bad light stopped play with 14 overs remaining. Asif and Aamer got 3 wickets each Kaneria got 2 and Gul bowled excellently, he was the meanest of all the bowlers, got only one wicket but in his 14 overs he bowled 3 maidens, gave 24 runs at an economy rate of 1.71 which is best in the team and excellent by test standards.

    It is now for Pakistan to get rid of Bollinger and let Hussey go frustrated and then they should bat sensibly and take a lead of 150 plus and they can almost have Australia reeling. There are many a slip between the cup and the lip wali baat hai, but they have to pull up their socks and bat well, such opportunities don’t come everyday and if they beat Australia at Lords their morale will be high and Australia will be in total pressure. Go Pakistan Go.

  66. #66 by khansahab on July 13, 2010 - 6:56 PM

    Very disciplined performance from Pakistan. It appears there were no dropped catches either.

    Good comeback for Asif and Aamer must have felt top of the world bowling like this at Lords.

    Pakistan need to maintain concentration and apply pressure, they have a good chance now which they must not throw away.

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 13, 2010 - 7:15 PM

    In my comment # 64, I wrote that removing Katich and Clarke would be the key because North and Paine may not be that reliable to bat with Hussey who is in fact the real pain. Although North has a great record for scoring big runs for Australia as a late middle order batsman but, it was my gut feeling that neither him nor Paine would settle down when the ball will reverse swing. And, exactly that happened when Katich and Clarke were gone, the wickets started falling. If the bad light had not stopped the play, Australia would have been all out with a few overs of the day to spare.

    In the Sydney test Hussey batted with Siddle the second Fiddle and added 123 valuable runs, but Bollinger is not Siddle, he is the most vulnerable player in the Australian side to give away his wicket. In that Sydney test while Hussey remained not out Danish Kaneria got Bollinger for a duck.

    Shahid Afridi’s decision to continue with Mohammed Asif resulted in calling off the day’s play due to bad light needs to be reviewed whether it was a good decision or bad? Because, if he had called Kaneria and himself from the other end, the umpires may not have called for bad light. 13 overs were enough to get Bollinger at some point. Perhaps Afridi did not want to risk spin bowling with Hussey? If the fast bowlers can get Bollinger early tomorrow morning then his decision would prevail as a good one. Even then, the total of 230-240 is not that small. Because, in Sydney Australia were all out for 127 in the first innings and Pakistan scored 333 in the first innings, a lead of 206 runs, good enough to win the match and they almost won it by an innings and ended up losing by 36 runs. Pakistan presented that match to Australia on a silver platter.

  68. #68 by khansahab on July 13, 2010 - 7:37 PM

    It has been reported that Shoaib Malik’s attitude towards training sessions at Lords was not serious and he skipped some sessions which is why the team management decided to drop him.

  69. #69 by Omer on July 13, 2010 - 7:46 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I think they should also attack Hussey and instead try to get him out first. What is Hussey now, Ponting or Lara just because of one 20/20 innings?

    That test innings was given to him because of three dropped catches. Any ok batsman can replicate that if he is allowed to bat four times. It amounts to an average of 36-37, what he scored in the Sydney test match.

    Hussey can’t pull head-high bouncers at pace, he can at best cut it to third man. They should bowl bouncers at him at off-stump and get two fielders catching around third man. Also, they should also mix it with swinging yorkers should he get stuck on the back foot because of the bouncers.

  70. #70 by M. Y. Kasim on July 13, 2010 - 8:11 PM

    It will not be the same this time around like in Sydney. Pakistan will, hopefully get the last wicket ealy in the morning for 245/250.

    The main thing is that the Pakistani batsmen should realize that they are not playing 20/20 but a five day Test and try and cocentrate on staying at the wicket and the runs will come automatically.

    A lead of 150-200 will go a along way to shatter Aussies’ confidence and arrogance.

    I saw Simon Katich bat for the first time and what an ugly stance and shuffling he has. He must be the second worst batsman, after Shivnarain Chanderpaul of West Indies, to watch and endure.!!

  71. #71 by Omer on July 13, 2010 - 9:16 PM

    MY Kasim,

    I agree, Katich is very much a player like Hussey– hard-working and determined, but no exceptional talent like Ponting. Even that innings that Hussey played, there was a lot of luck apart from the dropped catches. 9/10 times the batsman’s approach that would have worked would have been to attack and get as many runs as quickly as possible. A good team player like Ponting would have done the same. However, Hussey’s career was in question, so he was trying to remain not out. Aided by Pakistan, and chance, he suddenly realized that the approach might work. There was a lot of element of chance in that, it wasn’t a good approach, Ponting, Lara, Sehwag would have gotten a very quick 100 with the dropped catches, Hussey was more concerned about remaining not out. It worked, but 9/10 times Ponting’s approach would be better than Hussey’s.

  72. #72 by newguy on July 13, 2010 - 10:05 PM

    At last a test series to follow!

    A fine performance by Pakistan today, Asif and Amir used the Lords pitch and conditions quite well. Pakistan should be able to get the last wicket tomorrow morning in the first 30 minutes or so. A score below 250 would be good one from Pakistan’s perspective.

    But .. here is the big butt coming in 🙂 I look at Pakistan batting lineup and I don’t see any accomplished test batsmen capable of pulling together an innings required to propel Pakistan to a 350 to 400 score. I see Umar Akmal at number 5, who is a fine attacking and technically capable batsman, but what about others. Do they have the technical capabilities to survive a Lords pitch in swinging conditions for 4 to 5 sessions? This is a big “if” can Salman overcome this Butt?

    Australia have 3 good pacemen in Mitchell Johnson, Dougie Bollinger, and Hilfenhaus, who will come hard and try to swing the ball away and in to the batsmen, Ricky will place attacking fields and try to intimidate. A solid opening stance and solid middle order is needed. This is where Pakistan is missing Y & Y.

    My honest opinion is this, Pakistan will be tested in the first two sessions severely, and I am afraid the top 3 or 4 are not going to be able to survive.

    Please don’t get mad at me like some German fans got at the Octopus Oracle after Germany lost the semi-final 🙂

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 13, 2010 - 10:06 PM

    Hussey is not Lara, Ponting or Tendulkar but, time and again he has played some good innings for Australia. In any case Pakistan should not worry too much in getting him out but, getting the Australians out. During the Sydney test in Jan. 2010 Pakistan took a lead of 206 and still lost that match. It all depends on how they bat and I have no clue about the batting of these youngsters, as far as the opening pair is they play like an ODI in test and play a T20 like a test.

    Shoiab Malik if he is not behaving and if he is not serious then, he should be sent back, there is no point in keeping a dead fish in the pond.

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 13, 2010 - 10:09 PM

    newguy

    no one will be mad at you because this is what we all are doing – making a real assessment – and we all know that Pakistan’s batting is very vulnerable. They have to be mentally more strong to over come this pressure situation. I can only hope that they do this.

  75. #75 by Omer on July 13, 2010 - 10:25 PM

    Javed Khan and Newguy,

    Even though the batting looks thin, the right thing has been done by Waqar and Afridi in introducing some new talent. Malik and Misbah were deadwood. People would say that Pakistan won the 20/20s with the return of Gul, but it was as much the absence of Misbah that enabled other players to score quicker and build momentum.

    Historically, Pakistan doesn’t read too much in the pitch. In the Sydney test, when they encountered a pitch that was zippng around, they had an opening stand of more than a 100 (after years!) and when the pitch became totally flat in the fourth innings, they folded under 173.

    As usual Salman Butt will be the key player against Australia. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to attack Jhonson all the way through, he may be a very good scoring opportunity for Pakistan.

    If Australia make 240-250, and if Pakistan equal it, then Pakistan may just get Australia less than 150, should the conditions remain similar. Asif took awhile to get back in form, so in the second innings, should conditions permit, he might slice through Australia in one or two spells.

  76. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 1:04 AM

    Omer

    Agreed that Misbah and Malik are deadwood but to deny Gul’s return and say it was much the absence of Misbah that enabled other players to score quicker and build momentum is negating Gul’s efforts. In both matches it was Gul’s bowling that prevented the Aussies from making runs. Even today Gul was the most effective bowler in terms of economy. Just that they were not inclined to hit him they didn’t get out whereas in shorter version of the game you don’t hit you lose, you miss you are out and that is why Gull is the highest wicket taker in the world, in the T20 format.

    You may not agree with me but its fact that at times when it is needed Salman doesn’t score big. In the Sydney test second innings he did not score, even Kamran scored some 14 odd runs and Misbah laid a golden duck. The less you talk about Imran Farhat the better it is because I have no hopes from him. And the two debutantes no one can comment on how they will play. Much is expected from the two Akmals and Afridi.

    Right now I am checking the weather in London UK and it is not a good news, its raining and it will rain all day tomorrow. So forget about cricket tomorrow. In fact the whole week is like this, there will be scattered showers throughout the week and temp. between 18C – 21C. In that case it will be a tame draw.

  77. #77 by 420 on July 14, 2010 - 3:34 AM

    that was an amazing performance by the pak bowlers. the batsmen better not mess it up..assuming umer scores as usual, afridi and butt have to score big. should be an interesting game, provided weather does not play spoilsport

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 1:00 PM

    420

    In this kinda weather most good bowlers should be able to extract help from the conditions. Pakistan still struggled to get Hussey out and the last wicket partnership had put on 30 odd runs, imo Afridi should have bowled yesterday instead of throwing the ball at Asif. Strike when the iron is hot, in the dying hours both Hussey and Bollinger were struggling against Kaneria, so Afridi should have tried. He didn’t because he gave away 25 runs in 3 overs and was criticized by some commentators that there was no need for him to bowl, or if he had bowled he shouldn’t have been attacking but, bowled as a defensive bowler. Others said it was OK, he had to bowl to give his seamers some rest or to change ends. If he had not bowled at all there would have been criticism and since he bowled and gave 25 runs in 3 overs there is criticism.

    Anyways, like I predicted Imran Farhat failed and imo he is a waste of space. His father in law should stop poking his nose in his selection. No Chachay Bhanjay and Damaads on sifarish, come on merit and prove your worth like Umar Akmal is doing.

    One Rookie, Azhar Ali has gone and the other Umer Amin is playing, he had some confidence because he had recently played against Australia in both T20’s. But, rain and bad light will continue for the next 4-5 days and we won’t be seeing much of cricket or, may be we might see it just like the scattered showers and in that case Australia will have the edge. Scoring runs will not be easy and I don’t think Pakistan can take a lead. That needs perfect batting conditions, right now it is perfect bowling conditions.

  79. #79 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 1:09 PM

    Very strange to see Indian batting collapse against Sri Lanka A team, with the exception of Gambhir and Yuvraj no one scored. Yuvraj played his natural ODI, twenty20 style game with six sixes in his century. Mendis once again mesmerized the Indian batting including Tendulkar and took SIX wickets.

    Indian team really needs to pull up their socks against SL because the first test is starting from July 18th. Their bowling is very weak, both Ojha and Mishra gave away too many runs.

  80. #80 by newguy on July 14, 2010 - 2:23 PM

    So Pakistan collapse as expected, but not to Johnson & co, but Watson of all people.

    Afridi should have restrained himself a little bit after that onslaught against Watson, but, he can say he is the second best scorer now after Butt who is playing anchor.

    Afridi’s batting today reminds me of Kapil Dev who used to counter attack on situations like this, he will come in a hit a few fours and sixes for quick 30 odd runs and then get out trying another attacking shot. It’s entertaining. Only people should understand Afridi is there as all rounder and not expect a hundred or 50 plus every time he goes to bat.

    There isn’t much hope now left for Pakistan in this innings.

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 2:36 PM

    newguy

    Like the weather prediction of “scattered rain” there is scattered performance from the Pakistan team. They are still playing a shorter version of the game, as if they have to catch a train? Agreed that Watson is the most mediocre of all the bowlers and he got 3 wickets, giving him the much needed confidence while his batting form is almost nothing, perhaps it will help in scoring runs in the second innings. With Australia taking a lead of 100 runs, they can pile up 300 plus in the second innings and Pakistan will lose with a big margin with a similar collapse in the second innings because, Butt is so far at 62* may not score big in the second innings. Just now Umar Gul has gone too and they are 129/8, its only a matter of time before, Asif and Kaneria surrender. A lead of 100 plus is very much there on the cards. What a shame and what a bunch of idiots the PCB is for keeping away Yousuf and Younus from the team.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 2:42 PM

    Now Salman Butt has given his wicket to Watson to make it 4 and he has a chance for a fiver. The lead at the moment is 120 and any run that Kaneria extracts from his edges will be an added bonus to reduce the lead.

  83. #83 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 6:19 PM

    Where did I mention recently that, ” it is going to be a 3 day test match……. oooops I mean 5 days.” ? 😀 I sure did, but I can’t remember where. Anyways this is turning out to be a 3 days test match provided there is no rain tomorrow.

    Katich has once again played the anchor role for Australia while their 3 Aces, Ponting, Clarke and Hussey are back with Watson and if Katich scores one run it will be his 12th consecutive 50 for Australia, perhaps he would be breaking Mathew Hayden’s record? Is he? I do agree with Mr. M. Y. Kasim’s view that his stance is one of the worst I have seen after Chanderpaul’s whatever it is but, it has proved to be very effective.

    The only unfortunate thing that has happened for Pakistan is, Shane Watson got 5 wickets and he also scored 31 runs in he second innings. Pakistan is famous for renewing the confidence of players who have failed on numerous occasions against many other teams, e.g., Ricky Ponting’s failure in Ashes and against NZ and then he scored 200 after Aamer dropped him on zero. Pakistan are also are famous for making debutantes into heroes by letting them score freely or creating records. Lara, Tendulkar, Kapil Dev and may be a few more famous players made their debut against Pakistan. I am not doubting about the capabilities of these legends but, its there on the record.

  84. #84 by khansahab on July 14, 2010 - 6:21 PM

    Same story: Pakistan’s batting fails largely, there are only 1 or 2 good scores, Pakistan dominate for a few sessions, there is a batting collapse and the opponent ends up dominating more sessions than Pakistan and wins.

    Butt has matured as a player and there is little doubt he has improved. His shot selection is much better now, previously he used to be double minded and used to edge a lot. His leg side strokeplay as also improved.

    Afridi made 31, but he should not have played like T20 and he got have got more runs if he had shown some patience.

    It will be a miracle to chase 250+ against Australia in the 4th innings but it can only be possible if Afridi can come early in the batting order and provide some impetus to the batting.

  85. #85 by khansahab on July 14, 2010 - 6:28 PM

    Individual efforts may win you ODI’s or T20 but a team effort is needed in Tests. Even though Pakistan’s bowling is remarkable their batting is much worse than Australia and this is the difference between the two teams.

    Afridi should bat higher up in the order and release pressure off the youngsters. Plus, I don’t know why Akmal was sent in at no 6? That is too high a position for Akmal- his best knocks have come at no 7 or 8.

    I know it would not be easy for Pakistan to battle Australia’s bowlers but getting out for less than 150 is just unacceptable, be it any team or any ground. Australia have got some confidence now and their bowlers will come harder at Pakistan in the 4th innings.

  86. #86 by Omer on July 14, 2010 - 6:31 PM

    Khansahab,

    I disagree. Afridi should have played the way he did, and if he had made a quick 60-70, momentum might have turned. On the other hand, Kamran Akmal has been in the team for ages, his batting is touted as though he is the 20/20 Don Bradman of Pakistan, but if the ball moves slightly or is a bit too fast, it looks like Mohammad Asif stands a better chance than him.

    Anyway, all in all, it is a young team and it is not a bad performance so far. The board had the players in Yousof and Younis, but they weren’t selected. Malik knew his average is 8 in England. He avoided playing on purpose. Why is he wasting place in the squad when Alam could have been there to hold an end?

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 6:40 PM

    khansahab

    “I am agree”, Afridi must take a lesson from Imran Khan, who used to bat at number 3 in the later part of his career and he did very well. But, Afridi does not have the patience of Imran Khan. Butt seems to have matured but, I want to see him consistent like, Gambhir, it is then the middle order the likes of Younus and Yousuf, can capitalize but, what do you expect from Umer Amin and Azhar Ali? Butt being an opener has a more difficult job than the middle order yet, him being senior than them should shoulder the responsibility. And, of course Afridi must see that he has to stay at the crease and keep on scoring not just mad hitting like he does in T20 or ODI’s. This is not the team or the conditions where Afridi can slog.

    I think the lead will not be 250 but more than 300 for sure. Because, tomorrow when they come Katich will continue and then they have their lower middle order from North to South, so do you expect them to add only 50 runs? No way, no less than 100-120 runs, could be even 150.

    I saw the match when Kaneria was attacking, he is always at his best when he attacks, Afridi must keep in mind that it is not the batting or bowling where he has to be aggressive but, as a captain he should be attacking the Aussies by keeping 3 slips, a gully and silly mid on and, silly mid off he should let them play over the top but, they will make mistakes against Kaneria.

    Kaneria bowled 23 dot balls against Tim Paine in the first innings and he was struggling very hard. Today, Gul is on fire almost had a hat-trick today, and he might continue to bowl like that tomorrow morning, but, Kaneria is the key for their late middle order. In that case may be your prediction will come true. 😀

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 6:42 PM

    Malik knew his average is 8 in England. He avoided playing on purpose. Why is he wasting place in the squad when Alam could have been there to hold an end?

    Omer please SHOUT these words in Ijaz Butt’s ear. 😀

  89. #89 by khansahab on July 14, 2010 - 6:43 PM

    Omer

    The chances of Afridi making a quick 60-70 were minimal, plus he was playing at a strike rate of 200+, which is insanity in any format.

    No one scores 60-70 in any format at a strike rate of 200+.

    As I said if he had shown some patience and played with a strike rate of 100-150 (as he has recently done in ODI’s) he would have scored much more.

    Anyway, it is likely Malik will be back in the 2nd Test because at least one of U Amin or Azhar Ali will have to go.

    The fans will demand to see the experienced Malik back into the team because of the failure of these youngsters.

  90. #90 by khansahab on July 14, 2010 - 6:47 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I stated, “250+” and I meant “at least 250” by that- so I agree they can provide a lead of well beyond 250.

    On a pitch helping swing there is no great dignity in Pakistan bowling Australia out for 250 as they did in the 1st innings. Asif, Aamer and Gul are Pakistan’s best bowlers so you can expect them to trouble Australia like this.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 7:00 PM

    Ramiz Raja is such a Phutta Baja, he never ceases his jingoistic comments when it comes to praising a girayeen. I have nothing against Aamer, he is a very good bowler and very enthusiastic player but Ramiz in his 30 minutes of commentary spell must have said 18 times that Aamer is 18 years old.

    What an excellent young player he is only 18
    At such a tender age of 18 he is already in business
    Can’t believe that at the age of 18 he is already a star
    Doesn’t look like he is still a 18 year old high school boy,
    What a great talent he has and being 18 he is playing against the “bayst” team in the world

  92. #92 by khansahab on July 14, 2010 - 7:07 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I can’t remember what he exactly said, but in Pakistan’s 2nd T20 against Australia recently he again compared Umar Akmal with Afridi, and praised U Akmal.

    Of course we remember his completely unfair comment when he said, “Umar Akmal has beaten Afridi at his own game”. You can check his language as well- there is no “competition” going on between the two players and there is no animosity. One has just started his career and the other is an established player and in fact captaining that match.

    This was in a match when Afridi was captain, he had told Umar to attack and he himself was playing defensively as Pakistan was in a pressure situation. But, Ramiz had to make that comment due to his bias.

    I have no problem with him making these comments provided the context has been properly looked at- if there is a normal situation in a match and Akmal is batting better than Afridi than it is fair to make such comments. But that match and that situation was different.

  93. #93 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 7:59 PM

    khansahab

    I don’t object to his praising but, there is a limit for everything, too much praise will get into the head of anyone and Aamer or Umar Akmal are not exempted from that category because, they are not educated, they come from a very simple, humble and poor background and they know that they are succeeding and soon they will be making a lot of money like Asif got from IPL. But, when you start comparing Aamer with Wasim Akram and saying he is better than what Wasim was when he was 18 and likewise, talking about Umar Akmal as the likes of Tendulkar? Oh come on Ramiz get real, you are compared to that dumb RAMBO not because you look like him or have similar hairstyle but, you act like one and that is why you start comparing these guys with superstars and spoiling them.

    We have enough of Show Actor, Asif, Sohail Tanvir who are all victims of too much praise and they got carried away because of fame and too much praise and money in a very short time. Luckily for Asif he is reviving his career now whereas, Tanvir has gone into oblivion and Actor has 9 lives he keeps coming back and get kicked back.

  94. #94 by Amir on July 14, 2010 - 8:07 PM

    Plz can anyone tell me for how long this stupid ijaz butt is gonna keep destroying pakistan cricket. By keeping y and y out he is will destroy many young careers of players like azhar and ameen. Its ridicules to play 2 debutants at key positions of 3 and 4. We need younis at 3 and fawad to open with butt. Right now game over for pakistan i doubt this line up is capable of chasing anything more than 200.

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 14, 2010 - 8:18 PM

    Amir

    We are all talking about the same thing, so you are not alone my friend. We must find a way to petition on-line and get Ijaz Butt out. Should we start from here? How many endorsements can we get? Lets draft one and then we will forward to ALL contacts in our list and you guys should do the same and ask others to do the same.

    khansahab can you draft a petition? I am asking you because you are a lawyer. I can help you but, you take this initiative and lets pass it on to at least 10 million people, WHOZ DAT? 😀

  96. #96 by Amir on July 14, 2010 - 9:15 PM

    JAK
    good idea but i dnt think this will have any effect on his thick skind butt but its worth trying. I think khansahab should make somthing such effctive that we can send this butthead straight to kalay paani or even if there is some place worse than that.

  97. #97 by khansahab on July 14, 2010 - 9:56 PM

    Javed A Khan

    You are well intentioned, but 160 million people in Pakistan do not want Zardari as President and they are helpless.

    Plus, the ordinary citizen of Pakastan will only come out to protest against Pervez Musharraf 🙂 The ordinary citizen is relatively pleased with Asaf Zardari and Ajaz Butt.

  98. #98 by 420 on July 14, 2010 - 10:40 PM

    still going to be an interesting game, afridi should try coming up as an opener or one down, if at all he scores like today, its going to dent the confidence of aussi bowlers.

    coming to india tour of SL, i am just waiting it to be over. too many matches and losses with SL, its freaking boring 😀

  99. #99 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 15, 2010 - 2:19 AM

    I saw Azhar Ali and Umar Amin batting today. I have seen Umar Amin playing in the last 2 T20’s as well and I am of the opinion that Azhar Ali is definitely more confident and has a better technique and he wasn’t looking nervous at all, he was out on a very good delivery but, that is a part and parcel of the game. Given a few more chances, I think he should be able to do better.

    420

    This morning we talked about Afridi coming in at number 3 like Imran Khan used to do, but I don’t want him to slog every ball, he must use his Akhroat brain and play a longer innings because, as long as he stays on the crease we know he can score at a strike rate of more than 120-150 but, to keep hitting every ball and keeping the strike rate at 240 in test cricket is madness.

    He has done that under Inzamam’s captaincy when the middle order with Inzi, Yousuf and Younus was very solid, but here there is no top order and no middle order therefore, he needs to be more sensible.

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 15, 2010 - 2:32 AM

    khansahab

    This link is for you, please view and read the news and comment. Thanks.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/violence-by-lawyers-470

  101. #101 by Mohammed Munir on July 15, 2010 - 8:32 AM

    Javed Khan …

    @ Comment no. 100…

    The picture in the Dawn News article had name “Amir” in the background, does this mean that the Lawyer’s violent protest was sponsored by one Mr. Amir ? 😉

  102. #102 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 15, 2010 - 1:31 PM

    sorry if I hurt any one of you, intentionally or unintentionally…………..

    Munir tum vapis tou aaogay na? 😉

  103. #103 by newguy on July 15, 2010 - 2:09 PM

    Munir,

    Enjoy your vacation with your family. I like your positive attitude 🙂

  104. #104 by Amir on July 15, 2010 - 2:40 PM

    Munir sahib i would had loved 2 organise somthing like this against this butthead only if i had been in pakistan this stupid idiot has really ruined pakistan cricket what a shame he is for pakistan. Right now things are looking pitty gloomy for pakistan at lords. We need at least a century and 2 big fifties from our batsman to win this match.

  105. #105 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 15, 2010 - 2:57 PM

    khansahab

    The Australian lead is 439 now it is all over Pakistan needs 440 volts to get a jolt and commit suicide. Not only the Australian tail frustrated Pakistan but, Hillfenhaus has made his first test 50 ( 54* ) – a bowler can play that innings but, none of the recognized Pakistani batsmen can play like that – Remember Jason Gillespie he went in as a nightwatchman against Bangladesh and scored a double century 201* Even Mitchel Johnson has scroed a century. How many players like them Pakistan has? This match is beyond Pakistan’s reach, they cannot achieve it even in their wildest dream chase. They will lose the match by 250 plus runs.

    Aamer has not taken a single wicket today, may be we should ask Ramiz Raja about it?

  106. #106 by newguy on July 15, 2010 - 6:03 PM

    440 runs in 4th innings is a lot to score for any team, let alone an inexperienced batting lineup like Pakistan.

    It is clear at this point there is seriously only one winner left in this match, but…

    Pakistan has shown determination in 2nd innings to fight and ended the day with 114/1, which is really good in the context of things. Pakistan would want Salman Butt to carry on a score a big hundred and then support from at least two other batsmen, at least one of them should score a hundred. This is very difficult but not impossible. Pakistan win cannot be ruled out as option, but as we all know in such situations it is only a possibility in the technical sense at this time. Draw is not an option unless rain comes down hard and wash away two days of play.

    But there is hope, all is still not lost. South Africa chased 440 against Australia in Perth couple of years back. Pakistan need every batsman to come out with determination and put a premium on their wickets. Lot will also depend on weather gods, if it is sunny tomorrow then batting will be easier, if overcast then it won’t help Pakistan.

    In my opinion, the last two wickets scored close to 130 runs and that will prove to be very critical in this match.

    At this point they need 326 runs with 9 wickets in hand, if they had not given 130 runs extra they would be looking at 200 odds runs with 9 wickets which is very achievable.

    I think this happens to a lot of team, letting the tail wag, recently the Indians wagged their tails in many matches with Harbhajan and Zaheer scoring crucial runs which in the end proved to be critical. Indians also have given tail enders plenty of runs by not able to polish it off quickly.

    I think captain make the mistake of not attacking tail thinking they will get out and then they turn 20 runs into 50 runs and then 60 – 70 runs and before you know they added 100 runs. This is what happened today.

    Anyhow, let’s hope for a good fighting match from the Pakistani batsmen tomorrow.

  107. #107 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 15, 2010 - 8:02 PM

    newguy

    If it is sunny for the next 2 days, then there is more hope but, if it is cloudy and overcast like it was on the first 2 days, its not possible because then the ball will swing and will favour the bowlers, otherwise this pitch is good for batting.

    As regards SA doing that against Australia, I think it was that famous ODI, but in test matches, India has done once against West Indies and West Indies came from behind in the Antigua test to beat Australia. So, everything is possible but, there are hardly any recognized batsmen like, Yousuf, Younus or Inzamam to take that lead role. Butt gets tired after a while but out of his 3 test hundreds 2 are against Australia. It is for this pair to continue, Azhar Ali is batting with determination and I hope he makes a century on debut, because he has the quality of a test player. They should have had Fawad Alam in the test squad. If Umer Amin fails in the second innings, Malik will come in his place for sure. IF, they win this match then bye-bye Malik, Yousuf and Younus… but that is one in a million chance.

  108. #108 by newguy on July 15, 2010 - 9:06 PM

    JAK,

    SA did it against Australia just 2 years back in a Test, chasing 414 in 4th innings. Cricinfo also wrote an article about it just now, see scorecard from that match:

    http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/351681.html

    In that instance there were two centuries and four half centuries, so Pakistan will need something similar from the top four.

    PCB made a big blunder in not including Yousuf and Younus in the squad, it is all fine to include youth to nurture them, but you need experienced test batsman in the middle to handle situations like this and guide youngsters.

  109. #109 by khansahab on July 15, 2010 - 10:03 PM

    Pakistan captain’s unconventional hitting has tongues wagging

    ”WHEN you make a fool of yourself like that with the bat, it’s pretty hard to have any authority in the field.”

    So said former Australian captain Ian Chappell during his BBC radio commentary stint after Shahid Afridi’s first knock as Pakistan Test captain ended with him becoming the team’s second-highest scorer but, more relevantly, ignoring the plight of his team in the process.

    The timing of Afridi’s first Test innings was admittedly not ideal, because his team had slumped to 5-83 after the quickfire departure of the influential Akmal brother. Nevertheless, he interrupted the Australians’ momentum by belting two boundaries and a six from his first five deliveries.

    That initial riposte was understandable and arguably beneficial for his team, although by the time the 30-year-old almost lost his off-stump in the next over after attempting a wild slog off Doug Bollinger, it was clear there was nothing controlled about his aggression.

    That Afridi’s deputy, Salman Butt, had just passed 50 and was in superb form at the other end, was completely lost on the captain as he raced to 31 from just 14 balls, with 30 of those off the bowling of Shane Watson. His highlight came when he teed off against Watson and lifted him over the long-off boundary. The lowlight came on the very next ball when Watson bowled a slower ball in the same slot, which Afridi meekly skied to Mitchell Johnson at mid-off.

    In the past fortnight, Afridi, installed as captain after the expulsion of Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan, played in three Twenty20 matches but rested himself from the match against Leicestershire.

    After his dismissal, Pakistan added only 31 runs for the last four wickets, including top-scorer Butt for 63.

    Azhar Ali’s score of 16 was not an accurate reflection of the pluck he showed on his debut for Pakistan in the No. 3 slot.

    Despite the contrasts between his innings and that of Afridi, the left-hander absolved his captain of blame.

    ”That’s the way he plays,” he said. ”Obviously we were losing wickets, so probably he wanted to counter-attack. We’d [lost] four wickets in quick succession so he probably wanted [the team] to bounce back.”

    Watson, the main target of Afridi’s wild hitting, said he could not contemplate the reaction from his teammates if he batted in a similar fashion. ”I’m not exactly sure. I’ve never done that before and probably never will.

    ”That’s just the way Shahid plays. I think that’s probably the only way he knows how to play. I think that’s the reason why people love him, but also why people can get a little frustrated with him at times as well.”

  110. #110 by khansahab on July 15, 2010 - 10:13 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Regarding your comment about lawyers in Pakistan, during the protests against Musharraf I highlighted how improper and unprofessional their conduct was. In fact some of the newspapers posted pictures of Lahore lawyers, they looked total paindoo and crooks.

    There is a code of conduct and certain professional rules they must always adhere to, this is what makes their profession different to other professions. The practice of law teaches a person to be reasonable, analytical and ethical. But, these paindoo lawyers were anything but.

  111. #111 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 15, 2010 - 11:04 PM

    khansahab

    That article says, this is NOT THE FIRST TIME these lawyers has done that and that is the irony, they think they are right whereas, as law makers, as peace abide citizens, as more sensible and matured people they are not supposed to do that. Such processions are carried out by masses at the instigation of political parties who want to benefit from them. But, lawyers? Its a shame that they do this. And, the father and uncles of all this is Justice Chaudhry, Nawaz Sharif and PPP workers, they ganged up to ouster Musharraf and since then its a precedent.

    As regards Ian Chappel‘s comment on Afridi, I am not saying Afridi is right, you and me are the first people to criticize him but Omer wanted him to play like that. Having said all that had he continued in that fashion and scored a brisk century and leveled the score or taken a small lead, people would have had different views. Watson can talk about it but, there was nothing in his bowling and today because of the sun the bowling was highly ineffective, Aamer didn’t get a single wicket.

    newguy

    I know you support Pakistan against ALL the countries except when they play India but, my friend its not possible for Pakistan to play like that these players have no patience except for this pair, Butt is in good form and if he keeps reminding himself that he shouldn’t be chasing wide balls then it is possible that he can guide Azhar Ali as well who seems to have a very balanced head on his shoulders. Well stocky built youngster if he can consolidate his place as number 3 then it would be ideal for Pakistan. I see him as a cool person with good technique. I don’t have the same views about Umar Amin.

  112. #112 by Amir on July 15, 2010 - 11:51 PM

    There is confidence in azher ali’s batting and it seem like that he got temperament and technique as well all are signs of a good no.3 in making for pakistan. As for match i think afridi has to come before ameen and akmals and play with control agression to give pakistan a good chance of chase cause only his presence at crease makes bowlers nervous. Also need good scores from akmals specialy kamran cause he owes pakistan a big score specialy after sydney.

  113. #113 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 16, 2010 - 12:45 AM

    Amir apkay monh may ghee shakkar 😀

  114. #114 by Mohammed Munir on July 16, 2010 - 6:02 AM

    Javed Khan…

    LOL @ “Munir tum vapis tou aaogay na?”

    Well, I am hoping to come back safe and sound Inshallah and spend the Ramazan with you 😉

  115. #115 by Omer on July 16, 2010 - 6:06 AM

    Javed Khan and khansahab,

    I didn’t intend to say he should have played that way, in fact I think he just played the way he naturally does– he could have hit a 100 there, as you say, and right now the situation would have been totally differently. If he had been more circumspect, maybe he may not have even made 30-odd. When Kamran Akmal made 0, why criticize Afridi when he still made the second-highest score?

    It is an invalid criticism, I think if he can take bowlers condfidence apart in test matches, than can be very useful, though it’d be perhaps better if he did that up the order so that other batsman could benefit from him. He was just a few hits away from a 100. Kind of like Sehwag takes the attack to bowlers and Ghambir gets the runs behind the scenes because of Sehwag.

    Ian Chappel, like Khansahab, has the opposing opinion. I think Afridi should be sent up the order and if he can hit a 100 tommorow at a good strike rate, then Pakistan may have an outside chance of winning.

  116. #116 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 16, 2010 - 6:56 AM

    Omer

    Here is someone who thinks like you, read this. Trust me, I don’t disagree with you totally but, the world worships the rising sun and heroes are crowned and made celebrities, there is no compliments for a runner up in our world, that is the culture of our society. After reading that article below, I realize that Afridi was compelled to get aggressive because there was no one left other than him and Butt. Also, he loves to be known and remembered as Mr. Boom Boom, he cannot change his style like Actor cannot reduce his run up. There are somethings you cannot change, even they cannot change themselves. Don’t skim read the article 😉

    July 16, 2010

    Posted by Mike Holmans 6 hours, 30 minutes ago in Mike Holmans

    The case for Shahid Afridi’s assault

    Attack is often the best form of defense © Getty Images

    The Pakistan v Australia Test has confirmed that I live in a different universe to the one Henry Blofeld inhabits. As I sat atop the Pavilion on Wednesday evening with the radio commentary on my earpiece, I heard him describe Shahid Afridi’s cameo earlier on as “a quite disgraceful innings.”

    In my world, “disgraceful” implies some breach of decency or morality, and I fail to see how an innings of thirty in ten minutes is a breach of either. Had he cover-driven the bowler rather than the ball or spent ten minutes audibly and obscenely haranguing the umpire, “disgraceful” would certainly be appropriate, but there is no moral turpitude in hitting sixes or holing out at mid-off. Anyone who thinks there is has, at least in my view, a badly malfunctioning moral compass. Where I come from, the worst you can say of Afridi’s innings is that it was stupid or reckless or irresponsible.

    Not that I would, as a matter of fact. I have already pleaded guilty to holding Shahid Afridi in high esteem – I am, if you like, a Boom Boom Boy biased towards seeing his actions in the best light – but I thought his innings an entirely rational choice in the circumstances obtaining at the time. I am perfectly willing to listen to an argument that it wasn’t, but it had better be a convincing one.

    When he came in, Pakistan were still 170 behind with only the tail to come. Five out of the top six had already failed. While Kamran Akmal’s dismissal in particular was down to total incompetence on his part, two or three of the others had certainly succumbed to balls which were almost unplayable. The ball was swinging around and seaming, so that good balls were made dangerous and excellent balls close to lethal. Survival for any length of time demanded a solid defensive technique and a decent helping of luck (both of which Salman Butt had displayed).

    Knowing that he is not a defensive batsman in the Rahul Dravid class, Afridi would surely have realised that it was likely to be less than an hour before some holy terror of a ball arrived to end his innings. The question for him, therefore, was how best to use what little time he had.

    Presumably the morally-approved choice on Planet Blofeld would have been to attempt to dig in and play cautiously, blocking here, nudging there and hitting the odd very bad ball for four. If he did well, he could have hung around and scored 25 off 60 before the inevitable jaffa sprayed its juice over him. For most batsmen, it might well have been the only sound option.

    But Boom Boom Afridi had another course open to him. He is one of the very few people who could try mounting an all-out assault like Ian Botham’s at Headingley in 1981 or Nathan Astle’s at Christchurch in 2002, and have a modest chance of success. Granted, reaching a hundred or two as they did was very unlikely, but in the circumstances Afridi was facing, where he could expect to score no more than about 25 anyway, reaching even 20 would leave his team no worse off. And if he could get 70 or more, he would have changed the game’s momentum. Only if he failed completely would he have done real damage to his side’s cause.

    Had things been different, I might have much more reason to criticise. Were he batting ahead of the English or South African tails which contain the likes of Swann, Steyn, Morkel or Bresnan, there could well have been more mileage in trying to hang around. If Pakistan had been 17 behind rather than 170, digging in until they were about 20 ahead and then launching an assault would have been my recommendation.

    But things were not different, and so I am entirely content with his choice.

    And that, my friends, concludes the case for the attack
    .

  117. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 16, 2010 - 6:57 AM

    Munir

    You will spend the Ramazan in Canada? Ahlan Wa Sahlan.

  118. #118 by Omer on July 16, 2010 - 8:58 AM

    Javed Khan,

    He sure does think like me. And, he is a writer, like all of us are, but in our case its a hobby and a past-time 😉

    Anyway, Pakistan losing to Australia was, sort of, expected. Pakistan has got debutants and a very young team, virtually out of street cricket, versus the mighty infrastructure of the Australians. It was bound to be the case that Australia would win. Had Pakistan its best team, to include, Younis, Yousof, Akhter, and so on, the outcome would probably been the opposite. However, it is time to rebuild and the young and talented players stretched the Australians all the way. I don’t think administrators in Pakistan are too concerned about test cricket, regadless no one watches it. They feel the contest is in 20/20 and if that is wat people watch, so be it. Even the Australian administrators have realized that it is time to move on and 20/20 is the real deal.

    What I was more concerned about was Ponting. He seems to be very unconvincing and defensive these days, he used to slash and pull and hook hard and dominate the bowlers. There is a subtle difference in his style of play, as if, he is trying to emulate the relatively more circumspect and conservative batsmenn in world cricket. In some sense he seems like a shadow of his former self. In fact it is no co-incidence that Australia’s dominance in cricket overlapped with Ponting’s. I think the big turn-around had come when earlier England had dominated Australia in England. Once the mighty Australians felt defeat, it astoundingly proved to be an humblingl experience. The typical Australian attitude, kicking, sledging, and the like, had been replaced by the calm demeanor of the new and reformed Ponting– who also finally got rid of his habbit of spitting indiscreetly at his hands and rubbing them again and again. It used to be the case that when a foreign country would visit, they would have only an Australian commentary team for broadcast (with hawkish Benaud leading the pack), the whole media, from the prime minister to the captain, would combine to malign the opposition players before the game would even begin. I was surprised that the umpire that no-balled Murali was led to, according to his own admission, by an Australian official. My constant adulation of Ponting stems from the fact that he has completely matured and he has, so to speak, reformed ‘the Australian’ along with himself. It sets a very good precedent in terms of the on-field behaviour that other teams can also now emulate. However, at the same time, it is almost as if it has taken something vibrant away from his art: The brutish pull and the hook have been replaced by the soft and calm nudges, as though Ponting feels he even has to bat a bit more circumspect fo it to be sound demeanor: Wouldn’t it be nice if before the ashes we could get a glimpse of the old Ponting with the ‘new, reformed Australian’?

  119. #119 by newguy on July 16, 2010 - 1:22 PM

    It’s no wonder Pakistan fans get so frustrated with the team, after this test it is once again showcasing so near and yet so far. It’s all a case of lost opportunity once again and gifting wickets to part time bowlers. Now North has chance of getting a five wicket haul after another part timer Watson got his in first innings.

    There is no devil in the wicket and if the batsmen concentrate they could have played out the day and will be so close to winning the test tomorrow. If they played sensibly they could have finished with around 300 plus on board today for 4 wickets or so down and then you are looking at 100 plus runs tomorrow with 6 wickets in hand. Instead they are now looking at giving Australia a day off tomorrow to savor the win.

    In the end the 130 odd runs Australia’s tail enders put together is going to be the winning margin.

    Afridi will come under fire for his reckless shot in second innings to get out.

  120. #120 by newguy on July 16, 2010 - 1:31 PM

    I don’t know how mad you all are with this performance.

    Butt and Umar Akmal gifted their wickets, I don’t even want to start with Afridi.

    It was lapse in concentration from Butt that started collapse, yesterday I said he needed to play anchor and go for a big hundred, a hundred was there for the taking, and he got out to a ball that was sliding down leg side! That was lapse in concentration. Butt had the opportunity to turn from a good batsman into a great one today if he went on to get that hundred and remained unbeaten end of the day, he had it in him, but wasted.

    Umar Akmal, what a waste of talent again, he gets out just before lunch playing a loose shot. What was the need for that. These two wickets put Australia in commanding position.

    The whole point is these two wickets were not through any good bowling or fielding, but gifted away. When there a chance to cerate history and the condition are favoring them why they cannot see it.

    Afridiiiiii .. I don’t want to even start with.

  121. #121 by Amir on July 16, 2010 - 2:50 PM

    Afridi to retire from tests after leeds test against austrailia? Somone just told me is it true?

  122. #122 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 16, 2010 - 4:09 PM

    Amir

    Yes he announced his retirement. That is what he is SO ERRATIC and so EMOTIONAL. Out of all the people Marcus North got 6 wickets, in his whole career he took 6 wickets and now he took another six in one match alone.

    I think it is good that he has come up openly and announced his retirement from test cricket, this team with so many new and mediocre batsmen cannot win a single test match against Australia or England. He realizes this and wants to save himself from humiliation, he took a bold decision and must stick to it.

    I have to get back to Omer and newguy, I am in a hurry so we discuss this later.

  123. #123 by Mohammed Munir on July 16, 2010 - 4:31 PM

    Javed Khan …

    I thought you would say that … Nahin Baba, I will spend the Ramzan with you on LS, Inshallah. 😉

  124. #124 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 16, 2010 - 5:06 PM

    Munir I was only pulling your leg. Anyways, all the best to you, enjoy your vacation with your family and don’t be bothered with anything. And, don’t tell me you are going to “Thurkey” again 😀

  125. #125 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 16, 2010 - 5:18 PM

    newguy

    Shane Warne was saying, “these guys love to play their shots.” And he said this when Afridi was batting in the first innings, everyone knows that Pakistani batsmen with the exception of a few do not have patience and test cricket is dying in the country. It is just like everyone wants to make a quick buck and become a millionaire, the same trend is continuing from the lifestyle to the game style. They should be playing T20, ice hockey, may be soccer and forget about test cricket. Ice Hockey is one of the fastest games in the world and for the first time in my life when I saw a match, I was shocked to see that they take an advertisement break between the game.

    Omer

    That article has no bearing now after the match is lost. Afridi did that again. And, even more shocking is his decision to announce his retirement during the middle of the tour. It is such a shame that these guys have no idea how it affects the game and how it affects the other players. I doubt he will even play the 2nd test against Australia because he is talking about his side strain injury which he got during Asia Cup. In fact last night I was thinking, how is this Akhroat going to play test matches against England in the month of Ramazan? Especially in the UK the days are very, very long and Ramazan is due from the second week of August.

    The unfortunate thing is people in the country with that Mullah culture and Mullah mentality cannot see their players drinking water on the ground during drinks break in the month of Ramazan and then they criticize that these players don’t even fast. In Pathan culture it is more important for a Pathan to fast under any circumstances and it is for this reason, I guess Afridi has decided to stay away from tests, besides the defeat has also been on his mind. As regards those Mullahs and critics I would ask them what the F are they doing in Ramazan? Why do they have to watch a cricket match? Instead they should go into their prayer rooms and mosques and keep themselves busy there.

  126. #126 by khansahab on July 16, 2010 - 5:52 PM

    Yousuf is coming back into the team.

    Afridi has had a heated argument with Ijaz Butt and there are rumours that Butt wants to remove Afridi from ODI & T20 captaincy.

  127. #127 by khansahab on July 16, 2010 - 6:02 PM

    I am very disappointed by this decision for Afridi to retire.

    The worst thing about it is that it has come in the middle of the tour and with Butt becoming captain, would lead to some instability in the team.

    For over a month the team has been acclimatising with the idea of Afridi as the captain and now all of a sudden they will have to move goalposts.

    Afridi should have stayed put and improved his game- this is a totally emotional decision. He is a better player than players like Farhat, Malik, Misbah etc.

    He should also have batted at no 3 or 4.

  128. #128 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 16, 2010 - 6:58 PM

    khansahab

    I wish if Afridi had thrown a few punches on Ijaz Butt’s ugly face and knocked off a few of his yucky, ugly teeth. If he has stood against Ijaz Butt, then hats off to him. I saw the other day on TV when Imran Khan was presented a cap by Haroon Logart and announced Imran Khan as the whatever, whatever of the Hall of Fame, Ijaz Butt stood there smiling with his ugly teeth and he was telling Imran in Punjabi, Pa lo jee, tusi cap sir ich pa lo.…. M.F. Butt.

    Omer, that one shot was highly publicized by the media and now this new story of his retirement will again be the headlines and it will be blown out of proportion too. Like, khansahab most of us are disappointed by his emotional ch2yapa. But, the who atmosphere in Pakistan is so volatile that anything can happen anytime.

  129. #129 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 16, 2010 - 6:58 PM

    khansahab

    What is the source of Younus coming back into the team? What about Younus Khan? Can’t Imran Khan speak against Ijaz Butt?

    Ps.

    I saw that it is on Geo News.

  130. #130 by Amir on July 16, 2010 - 10:26 PM

    Good decision frm afridi he really saved himself from embarasment dnt think they gona win any test match with or without afridi he is a good odi and t20 player and he should stick to that. According to the news yousaf has agreed to take back retirement on butts request and will play against england. Anyhow this is pakistan cricket and u cnt predict anything about it.

  131. #131 by khansahab on July 16, 2010 - 10:47 PM

    J’wade Khan

    The news on Yousaf was from Geo, whereas we have heard nothing on Younas.

  132. #132 by JAVED A. KHAN on July 17, 2010 - 1:51 PM

    We have launched a new thread, BOOM BOOM vs. BUTT BUTT

    Please comment on the new thread please.

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