PCB- POLITICS & CORRUPTION BOARD?

Shamed cricketers prepare to board a flight back to Lahore

The spot/match fixing scandal has taken the world by storm. The most grievous effect of this tragic episode, which has not concluded by any means, is the trust deficit that cricket fans now feel is between them and the PCB/players. Majeed the fixer has links with 7 players, it was reported. To consider how many possible matches may have been fixed over the years, is a frightening thought.There have countless occasions when Pakistan has been on the course of victory but has lost from a match winning position. Could that be due to spot/match fixing?

Federal Minister for Sports, Mr Jakhrani- is he involved in corruption?

In Pakistan the Sports Ministry has always governed affairs related to the cricket board. It is common knowledge that ministers and the machinery of government in Pakistan is imbued with corruption. Pakistan is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Every government and most non government related departments, agencies, organisations etc work on the

Just how long has match/spot fixing been rife in Pakistan cricket?

basis of bribes, favouritism, nepotism, regionalism- any type of corruption.

The fans of Pakistan cricket have perhaps been living under a hoax for decades. Pakistan is the most unpredictable team in the world. On a good day, it can surprise the most able teams. This cover of unpredictability is the perfect platform for betting/fixing to thrive. Surely, if Pakistan’s performance graph was steady, or explicable by indicators that easily explain the performance of other teams, then any deviation would be noticed, and questioned by the passionate, astute Pakistani fans. But what if the performance graph is always haphazard, unsteady? This leaves a void in the mind of the fan.

This leads one to question how long this menace of corruption has existed in Pakistan cricket. Rumours surface of corruption existing as far back as the days of Asif Iqbal. Also, many people claim that fixing started around the same time has the rise of the Mumbai Underworld. It is not difficult to imagine how crooks can make millions by running an empire based on betting, bribing and fixing matches, more so since details of such activities have emerged from the NOTW video of Mazhar Majeed.

The question is often asked why cricketers, who can make millions by playing honestly, are tempted into indulging in these nefarious activities- especially when they are at the risk of being caught and exposed by the media? The

Mohammad Asaf's father- this used to be Asaf's residence before he became rich and famous

answer submitted here, will be an explanation, not a defence (indeed this blog has condemned all forms of corruption in the harshest manner possible). Nowadays, most Pakistani cricketers do not hail from Karachi and Lahore. Although the Punjabi cricketers reside in Lahore, most of them have actually seen very little of city life. The typical mindset of a villager is that he wants to obtain as many riches in as little time as possible. Whereas this blog is sympathetic to people hailing from impoverished, backward or underdeveloped regions, a person who has spent all his life in a village has a tremendous propensity to become a corrupt deviant when he is exposed to wealth, women and wine – the glamour that comes with sporting success.

However, the surprise here is that Salman Butt, reportedly the ringleader of fixing, is not from a small town or village, but from the cultural capital of Pakistan, Lahore. Butt hails from a well-to-do family and he claims to have attended Beaconhouse School. Reportedly Wasim Akram, Salim Malik, Ijaz Ahmed and a few others were also originally from Lahore.

Choudhary Mukhtar- Defence Minister of Pakastan, brother in law of the worst PCB Chairman ever, Ijaz Butt

Unfortunately, all of the above has a deep and inextricable link with politics. The President of Pakastan, Asaf Zardari is known as “Mr Ten Percent” due to his past involvement in obtaining 10% of funds that were circulated in government contracts. Further, reportedly Zardari has also been accused of fraud, embezzlement, extortion and related crimes. He is amongst the five richest people in Pakistan and according to one global survey he was in the top 100 richest people in the world. It is highly dubious this wealth could have been generated solely through legitimate workings of Zardari’s sugar mills and industries. One of the senior ministers in Zardari’s party, Choudhary Mukhtar, is the brother in law of Ijaz Butt.

Mian Raza Rabbani, son in law of the controversial Yawar Saeed

Another senior minister of PPP is called Mian Raza Rabbani, and Yawar Saeed, the controversial team manager, is his father in law.  Rumour has it that

Controversial- Yawar Saeed

Yawar Saeed is himself involved in match fixing. This is partly because, it is now believed that Saeed must have known about the players’ suspicious links with fixers. Yawar Saeed is a highly controversial figure and his name has been associated with scandals in Pakistan cricket.

Another controversial example of nepotism is that of Ijaz Ahmed, the fielding coach who is the brother in law of Salim Malik. Both men are rumoured to have links with match fixers. Not long ago Ijaz Ahmed was arrested on a fraud

Fielding Coach Ijaz Ahmed- after he was arrested by the Police

offence.

Shafqat Rana, the Associate Manager, was reported to have accepted Rs 15 Lakh from Wahab Riaz for Riaz to be included in the Pakistan squad. Waqar Younis, Mushtaq Ahmed, Saqlain and Inzamam were also considered to be involved in match fixing.

Salim Malik was found guilty of match fixing. Rumour has it he still has links with fixers

Hence, the above indicates that even if corruption is not rampant in the PCB, it has a dangerous propensity to be so. One must question how the institution of PCB can function with honesty and accountability when it is run by controversial figures and employs coaches and managers whose integrity and intentions have been under a scanner for a long time?

The victim in all of this is the innocent fan, who loves and supports the team. It is important to win, but more important is to play honestly, patriotically and in good spirit. Unfortunately the current players neither win most of the times, nor (it is now considered) are their intentions patriotic and genuine. How many of these matches containing moments of joy, shock, heroism, intrepidness, woe etc that have been experienced by fans, have been unethically predetermined by these dark actors?

The Pakistan Cricket Board should be disbanded- its accounts must be verified by some international accountants. All employees in positions of responsibility must be sacked. All of the contracts the PCB has been involved in must be suspended and verified. Land, bank accounts, assets belonging to every PCB employee must be frozen and scrutinised. Until this has ceased, a new temporary Board must take function with an independent, educated Chairman.

Only a revolutionary course of action can save cricket from dying in Pakistan. Unless a drastic stem is not taken, fans will quickly stop watching cricket. PCB should be known as “Politics & Corruption Board”  until a new, clean Board is formed.

Ijaz Butt is sleeping, whilst cricket is being destroyed in front of his eyes

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  1. #1 by khansahab on September 11, 2010 - 12:06 AM

    We have a new thread

  2. #2 by M. Y. Kasim on September 11, 2010 - 12:39 AM

    Eid Mubarak to All.

    Had a busy day and slept most of the time :d

  3. #3 by khansahab on September 11, 2010 - 6:31 AM

    Musharraf weighs up Pakistan presidency bid

    LONDON: Pakistan’s former military ruler Pervez Musharraf said he thought he had a good chance of winning the next presidential election, in an interview aired Friday.

    The ex-president told BBC radio he wanted to help the country regain its self-confidence, saying Pakistan was in a “pathetic” situation.

    Though he could not be confident of victory, the former army chief said it was better to try and fail to lift the “darkness” enveloping the nation than to make no effort.

    Asked if he was confident of becoming the next president of Pakistan, the retired general replied: “No I can’t be assured, I can’t be confident, but I believe there is a good chance of my winning on the political scene.

    “I haven’t decided whether I’m going to be president or anything, but however, winning first of all in the next election is the issue.

    “I can’t be sure of that also but as I said, there is a good chance and I believe very strongly that it’s better to try and fail rather than not try and go down without trying, because at this moment we see darkness all over in Pakistan.

    We have to show light, we have to show an alternative or viable alternative where people see light and gain some confidence, because there is total breakdown of self-confidence of the people of Pakistan. They have lost hope in Pakistan. It’s a pathetic situation.”

    Musharraf ousted former prime minister Nawaz Sharif in a bloodless coup in 1999. He was president from 2001 and has mostly lived in London since resigning in 2008.

    The next presidential elections should be in 2013. Musharraf was asked about fears that money donated towards flood relief in Pakistan might end up lost in corruption.

    There is corruption in Pakistan, there is no doubt about it, it is heartbreaking how people are not bothered about the country. They have a lot of money and yet they are corrupt,” he said.

    “The advice I would like to give is they ought to be careful on who they are giving the money to.

    “One thing that I would like to advise when you give your money, a donor or an organisation getting the money, it’s good that they show so many hundred thousand dollars collected but we should ask how much is going to the people?” -AFP

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 11, 2010 - 4:36 PM

    khansahab

    good thread and nicely written covering all aspects of betting and involvement of players.

    They are not so naive and innocent as they are being portrayed now. Especially Salman Butt with a snare and smirk on his face appears like he has no guilt, no shame, no remorse and on top of that he is denying that these are only accusations and not a verdict, and he has not been proved guilty. Yes, the British and American Law follows the Roman Law which says that you are innocent until proven guilty. Whereas, the Napoleon Law says an accused person is guilty until proven otherwise.

    The PCB is quick in responding to enforce a law that the agents (sponsorship) should be approved by the PCB which means another 10% cut for them. I don’t understand the set of priorities they have. It is something like the PCB officials holding a meeting in their H.O. and the waiter comes and says, Sir it is lunch time but, Sir there is a fire in the kitchen. Ejaz Butt would say, “bring the lunch first, we will deal with the fire later.”

    The irony is no one at the PCB understands what is important and what is urgent. The urgency is they should think about the team and try to understand what the problem is? The problem is in bowling department because the two culprits were definitely good bowlers but, until a decision is taken and the matter is cleared they cannot play.

    The batting is also very vulnerable. Right now there aren’t any good bowlers available in the country whoever we thought are not good enough. But, in batting department if you include Younus Khan, he is not only a good middle order player but, also a very good fielder. Therefore, priorities should be set according to the need and not according the moods and desires of Butt Sahab of Paindooistan.

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 11, 2010 - 5:53 PM

    A couple of hundred protesters were at the La’hore airport with play cards and shoes to jeer and boo at the three musketeers but, they were whisked away by the security forces from the backdoor and they escaped unhurt neither physically nor emotionally. Emotionally, nothing will happen to them because they are thick skinned and won’t get hurt easily unless ……… you confiscate their assets and the money they earned from illegal means.

    They (players) know very well that no one will do that because, if they are targeted for this, then what about Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, the whole of the feudal-lords, the Chaudhrys and the Whaderas and the Sardars, the Military Junta they all made money through illegal means then they are also accountable and they need to be punished as well. So, unfortunately there will be no justice in a country were there is corruption from top to toe.

  6. #6 by khansahab on September 11, 2010 - 7:10 PM

    As co-manager of Legslip I would like to make the following statement:

    Recently you were notified that a Hindu visitor of this blog has converted to Islam and has attributed a lot of his inspiration to this blog.

    Legslip is not defined by a religion or nationality. It is a diverse blog, perhaps the most diverse blog of its kind on the internet.

    The managers are not strict Muslims and have no intention or desire to “convert” people. So far 2 readers have told us they have converted to Islam and have become pro Pakistan. This has been a shock to the management, although we would be lying if we said we do not welcome this shock.

    It is remarkable that two individuals, who have no desire whatsoever to influence readers’ religious preferences, have developed some kind of cult following. This is not our ego speaking. We are very normal and modest people. We are told that not only are we influencing people towards Islam, we are also making people realise “Pakistaniat”.

    We are grateful to our Indian friends for their contribution, but we wish to make it clear that it does not matter to us what their nationality or religion is.

    We thank everyone for their good wishes and support.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 11, 2010 - 9:42 PM

    khansahab

    I don’t have anything to say on this subject other than what you have already mentioned. If that person is admitting now that he used to hate me on Pakspin (the cricinfo blog) because I was supporting Pakistan cricket team and he was supporting Indian cricket team – which in my opinion is very normal – but, his admission that, ‘openly he used to hate me but, secretly he used to admire my style of writing,’ I can only say thank you to him. But, as far as conversion or changing a religion is concerned it has nothing to do with my style of writing. Those of you who read the blog regularly must have noticed that very often I ridicule the Mullahs for their narrow mindedness and uncouthness especially for people with limited knowledge and extremist views. So I guess there must be more people who hate me than those who admire my style of writing.

    One of them is that moon Shoaib, from the UK who recently oozed out filth against us personally and there was no reason to do that, khansahab has rightly banned his IP address and he is shut up for good. We are very tolerant in many ways and we allow healthy criticism in general or criticize the players, the PCB officials because that is a part of the game. BUT, we do not allow anyone to directly address to any particular blogger with profane language. Because, here every individual deserves respect irrespective of colour, caste and creed and respect is earned on a mutual basis. Basically we are a cricket blog but, sometimes we do write or respond on desi politics and very rarely we discuss religion. To avoid mixing religion with cricket, we have created a separate page for religion and you can see since how long no one has posted any comment there.

    Since that person has requested for anonymity so we have to respect that and if he is courageous and bold enough to say that in public, he is more than welcome to post his comments, views, opinions directly on this blog and we will approve them.

  8. #8 by Varun Suri on September 12, 2010 - 1:12 AM

    khansahab,

    Maybe a decade ago I would have been slightly bothered about the information you provided about our 2 Indian anonymous friends but now my reaction is the following cliche from Karl Marx(not that i idolise him or anything like that) in German:-

    Religion ist das Opium des Volkes?

    As far as I am concerned, maybe it is just me, it does not effect me who is converting into which Religion because at the end of the day the Weak Human needs a belief system and in one way or the other from tradional religions like Islam, Christianity, Hinduism e.t.c to relatively unknown one’s like Parsis or Baha’ai or the new one’s like Scientology e.t.c everyone everywhere is wanting to believe in something and as long as believing in one system does not create problems in co-habitation I have no problems with any belief system.

  9. #9 by Varun Suri on September 12, 2010 - 1:25 AM

    As far as becoming pro-Pakistani is concerned my simple advice to fellow Indians is to live outside India for sometime and if not Pro I guarantee that they will become atleast not Anti-pakistan, the moment they will observe that the rest of the World cannot distinguish between us they will realise that it is not worth being so Anti-Pakistan because Pakistan is not one Person at the end of the day it has many different kinds of people and as Aisam-ul-Haq Qureshi said after losing the US Open Finals:-

    “There’s a bad perception that Pakistan is a terrorist nation, We’re a friendly, loving, caring people. We want peace as much as you guys. May God bless us all.”

    People needs to experience things first hand rather than sitting at home and watching the news on the TV only this way they will realise that on many things we are quite similar and it is not worth having so much of animosity towards each other.

  10. #10 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 9:27 AM

    Varun

    To say that “the Weak Human needs a belief system” you are in a way telling others that they are weak humans, it includes me and a few billion others. It is very easy to deny the existence of God. Although you do not idolize Karl Marx yet you have quoted him, he thinks religion is like opium to people, may be he was an addict? 😀 Whereas, ALL the Muslims love and idolize The Prophet Mohammed, yet they quote the Qura’n first and the Al-Hadith later. Because, the prophet himself has always quoted the Qura’an first. Because, the revelation of Qur’an is the biggest miracle. To believe in this you only need to read and understand it. If you understand it fully then you start practicing it.

    I have in the past answered similar questions in my own way also by quoting it from people, books and most importantly from the Holy Book. And, I will repeat it again i.e., in case you haven’t read it before. Atheists and humanists ask: If God exists, why doesn’t He show Himself? The answer is, God does not represent some finite, material energy. Our limited ability to experiment and conceptualize is incapable of defining Him. Like I have said before: “The God in Islam is not a concept, not a divine authority figure, not a father in the sky. Allah is Reality itself.”

    Belief in the existence of God is a matter of the heart, although science may prove Him to be the prime and ultimate cause and thus indirectly reinforce the belief of the heart. Faith is to believe what we do not see and the reward of this faith is what we believe. Mankind passes its life in ignorance and unknowing, not realizing that the human physical make-up cannot lead a person to realities or, that the five senses mislead him at every point. The only instruments which can lead man to realities are reason, thought, and precision.

  11. #11 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 9:35 AM

    I don’t know what Hafeez’s role in the line up is? He is an opener so I am presuming Afridi wants him to consolidate while Akmal is going for the shots.

    In the previous match Hafeez was too slow considering Pakistan was chasing a significant target.

    Pakistan’s problem is that the top order has not been utilising the Powerplays that well. Whereas, when Afridi and U Akmal bat lower down the order they have been trying to take unnecessary risks (although in the last match they needed to make quick runs).

    The alternative might be Azhar Ali, but he is not a quick scorer.

  12. #12 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 9:37 AM

    LOL @ Hafeez.

    I don’t know why he tries to emulate Tendulkar. He should play his natural game, but does he even have a natural game?

  13. #13 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 10:28 AM

    Example of Akmal’s selfish batting:

    When he was on 49, he was running back to the batsman’s crease to take strike. As he was running back England threw the ball at the bowler’s end and the bowler missed it. Hafeez shouted to Akmal to run overthrows but Akmal was not looking at the ball, he was only focused on getting back to the crease so he can score his 50th run.

    This shows Akmal’s sincerity- it might sound trivial but this is something I just picked up. I wondered why Akmal did not respond to Hafeez’s call, and why he was not even looking at the ball?

    Then I realised he is on 49 and wants strike.

    Shameful behaviour by Akmal.

  14. #14 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 10:29 AM

    khansahab

    Your curse is working, they got a pretty decent start 90 for no loss in 17 overs. Khatmal has received a lot of flak from us but, right now he is playing well. Hafiz too has picked up some runs, initially he was very slow, just 3 runs in 15 balls.

  15. #15 by Mohammed Munir on September 12, 2010 - 10:34 AM

    Here is something to bring a smile on your faces, on this third and last day of Eid ;

  16. #16 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 10:37 AM

    khansahab

    Choti baatain nazar andaaz kerdo, over all he is playing well, it is such a rarity for Pakistani openers to get into an opening stand of 110 plus and that too in good time.

  17. #17 by Varun Suri on September 12, 2010 - 10:40 AM

    Javed,

    My remark about Weak Humans is not only focussed towards the Believers of any Religion but also the agnostics and atheists as well.

    I do not want to dis-respect anybody’s religion and certainly not your’s but in my eyes Religion has given us more Problems than Solutions and that is the reason for my dis-enchantment with all of them.

    I am not an atheist to the extent of Stephen Hawking or the many Philosophers who have famously remarked God is Dead nor I am like those who constantly ask the question you have asked in your comment but I do like the inspirational stories and lessons which all the Religions have to give to their people because it all seems so perfect and right and morally correct that it is difficult in today’s world to find someone having such attributes and that is where the conflict sets in between What is correct and What is the reality.

    So in essence I do like the positive messages all the Religions have in their mythological stories and incidents but I am not fond of people who consider themselves as the representatives of God and consider themselves as Godmen or something like that :- this includes 1000’s of charlatan baba’s and sadhu’s of India as well as thousands of Priest’s and Imam’s in Europe.

  18. #18 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 10:43 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Chalo for your sake I will nazar andaaz Akmal 🙂

    Choro kal kee baatein, kal ki baath puraani……

    Akmal aur Hafeez ki suno zabardast kahani….

    Zada tar Pakastan team hai Punjabi……..Zada tar Pakastani team hai Punjabi……….

    🙂

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 10:47 AM

    khansahab

    You better stay on the negative side bakaoz the moment you praised them, Akmal is OUT, I think yae ziyadati hoi hai uskay sath, it was a border line case. The ball did pitch outside the line, he should not have been given out LBW. The run rate will slow down now.

  20. #20 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 10:48 AM

    I was going to mention that if Akmal or Hafeez get out, either U Akmal or Afridi should come in so that the pressure is continued on England.

    They could have sent Asad Shafiq and asked him to slog.

    Let us see whether Yousuf can regain form.

  21. #21 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 10:51 AM

    Hafeez needs to accelerate. I don’t know what the strategy is with him. Why is it acceptable for him to play with a strike rate of 65?

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 10:54 AM

    khansahab

    I thought of the exact same thing but, I knew they will not change the batting order, unless the opening stand had made 180 plus in 30 odd overs then Afridi may have changed his batting order. But, they are lakir kay fakir.

  23. #23 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 10:55 AM

    At the moment Paul Collingwood is bowling, he is the worst bowler and someone like Afridi would have loved to slog him with his medium pace. The ball is coming on to the bat nicely.

    I don’t know why they had to send Yousuf in to bat, it is not like he is in the best of form.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 10:58 AM

    I knew it, Hafeez will slow down to achieve a landmark of fifty but, in doing so he lost his concentration and when he tried to cut, got bowled by Swann.

    Asad Shafiq should come in now, but may be they will not try him because he is new.

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 11:00 AM

    Wow, seems like they have read my mind, Asad Shafiq is in. I hope this young man scores some runs. He seems to be a gutsy player. I agree with you khansahab that Collingwood’s bowling is pretty mediocre.

  26. #26 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 11:02 AM

    Javed A Khan

    I don’t think Shafiq is a natural slogger. But, he needs to realise he is not being sent in to waste balls like Hafeez.

    Pakistan cannot afford to make a score of less than 300 after this magnificent start.

  27. #27 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 11:04 AM

    That is the problem I have, with such a good start they should try and slog every other delivery by Collingwood.

    There are ample gaps in the field.

    I don’t think anyone would have admonished Afridi if he had sent himself or U Akmal in.

  28. #28 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 11:07 AM

    To expand on my earlier point, a good captain should have taken the risk of greater acceleration.

    England are fumbling with their fielding, the bowlers are down on confidence.

    It was the time to come in and go for the kill.

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 11:10 AM

    khansahab

    how often we have seen after a magnificent start there is a sudden collapse so I don’t mind this kinda batting it seems OK to me except for Maulana’s running between the wickets he needs to transplant two fresh, healthy, young and fast legs. 😀

  30. #30 by Mohammed Munir on September 12, 2010 - 11:11 AM

    Here is one more … 😉

  31. #31 by Mohammed Munir on September 12, 2010 - 11:14 AM

    Oopps …. Sorry, here it is …. 😀

  32. #32 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 11:16 AM

    Munir sahab

    Musharraf is actively involved in party activities in the UAE.

    You should help him in his efforts to save Pakistan 😉

    Bakaouz you know he is better than all other leaders.

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 11:18 AM

    Aaj Munir ka dill cricket may nahee qawalli aur mujray may hai …………. part of Eid celebration in Dubai 😉

  34. #34 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 11:44 AM

    This is what I was talking about. So far all Pakistani batsmen have played at a strike rate of 90+.

    Hafeez is just too slow and his innings will have an impact. If he had played a little quicker, maybe at a SR of late 70s, Pakistan could have maintained a run rate of 6.

  35. #35 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 11:59 AM

    Shafiq is a good batsman, but he is playing too much to the fielders.

    I guess with experience he will learn to play the ball in the gaps, with natural timing.

  36. #36 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 12:12 PM

    Excellent batting by Akmal.

  37. #37 by Mohammed Munir on September 12, 2010 - 12:13 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Ramadan is over and Shaitaan is released … So dill cricket mein kaisay laggay ga ? 😉

    BTW, my interest in this game (overall cricket) is as at all time low, and I haven’t seen even a single over today. 😦

  38. #38 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 12:14 PM

    khansahab

    again you praised him and got him out….. I mean Shafiq

  39. #39 by Mohammed Munir on September 12, 2010 - 12:14 PM

    Khansahab …

    I really don’t know if “Pardaiss Musharraf” is in UAE, otherwise I could atleast have gone to wish him Eid. 😉

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 12:15 PM

    ufffoh khansahab

    stop praising the batsmen, so far you have got 3 out by praising.

  41. #41 by Mohammed Munir on September 12, 2010 - 12:16 PM

    Taareef Khansahab kay moun pay sajti hee nahin. 😉

  42. #42 by Mohammed Munir on September 12, 2010 - 12:18 PM

    So finally Fawad Alam the great has arrived at the pitch …

    Khansahab … please never praise Fawad, or he may also get out. 😆

  43. #43 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 12:19 PM

    Munir sahab

    Fawad is not good at scoring quickly so I do want to praise him!!

    This man Fawad, he is not a good batman and not a good bowler, butta the only reason he is a keep in the team is bakaoz of his fielding.

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 12:19 PM

    Munir tum shukar kero khansahab tumharee tareef nahee kertay hain. 😀

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 12:21 PM

    The question is, whether Pakistan can score 300 now? only four overs left.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 12:28 PM

    BOOM BOOM aya
    BOOM BOOM gaya

  47. #47 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 12:32 PM

    Umar Gul should know he has been sent to slog. Fawad will rotate the strike, but Umar is better at hitting.

  48. #48 by Mohammed Munir on September 12, 2010 - 12:33 PM

    I think they will reach to 300 …

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 12:35 PM

    aaj tou khansahab nay jis ki tareef ki uska baira garq hoa 😀 Munir I doubt they will make 300

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 12:41 PM

    They are giving away wickets to that BROAD who is bowling so pathetically ……… in reality he doesn’t deserve a wicket, but he got 4 now after Ajmal

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 12:44 PM

    See they struggled in the end and couldn’t make the easy 300 target. Broad four for 81. I am off now. take care

  52. #52 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 12:50 PM

    The moment I saw the ball was coming on to the bat nicely and Akmal was playing well, I had a bad feeling about Hafeez.

    Now we have seen EVERY batsman played with a strike rate of 90+ apart from Hafeez.

    That is the problem you have with mediocre players like Malik and Hafeez- the focus is to cement your place in the team and not to perform.

    Look at Fawad Alam, he is not a hitter but he still managed 20 from 16 balls.

  53. #53 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 1:42 PM

    29 Players in IPL 2 suspected of match fixing- ICC

    Twenty nine cricketers, including two Australians are suspected to be involved in spot-fixing at last year’s Indian Premier League in South Africa, a leading London newspaper claimed on Sunday. According to a secret dossier compiled by the ICC’s anti-corruption and security unit,
    some high-profile names but nobody from England or Pakistan, whose players did not take part due to security issues, The Sunday Times claimed.

    “Some betting patterns were very suspicious at IPL 2,” the report said quoting a source. Despite long-standing concerns about the integrity of the IPL — whose commissioner Lalit Modi is suspended amid corruption allegations — England players are expected to be available for the entirety of next year’s IPL for first time.

  54. #54 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 1:51 PM

    Time to change bowlers.

    No pressure on England and they are racing away at 6 an over.

  55. #55 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 6:05 PM

    Pakistan lost the match again, it seems their bowling attack is pretty weak, they could not defend a total of 294. They should have scored 315-320 but, they were 20-25 runs short, it was not difficult to score those runs, but they played weird shots in the end and lost 4 wickets in the batting power-play. And most of them went to that Broad.

    I don’t know what will be their strategy for the 3rd ODI? Probably they will bring back Abdul Razzaq in place of Irfan, because they did not give him the bowling after his 7 overs. Abdul Razzaq is not the same person anymore but, may be he may not give that many runs and may be he can score a few.

    Abdul Hafeez wasted a few balls, but they won’t drop him for sure. There has to be one or two nothing players in the team otherwise it is not a Pakistan team.

    Asad Shafiq batted well, he was out on a very silly ball trying to cut over point when the ball was not within his reach that is why he could not put enough bat on the ball, if he had stayed things would have been different. Omer Akmal too played a wayward shot and Afridi’s batting as well as bowling is not up to par, he needs to concentrate more on his bowling. He hit a straight six which appeared a mishit initially but it went over the ropes safely but when he tried to hit a six inside out it was almost the same kinda shot but, because it was inside out he couldn’t clear the ropes.

  56. #56 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 9:07 PM

    This is a rarity that the Pakistan bowling is unable to defend a target of 300 odd.

    It was a decent score on this pitch, I have blamed Hafeez, but in every batting scorecard you will always see 1 or 2 batsmen who let the team down.

    The problem is that, Pakistan needs to field much better. England were awful in the field today; if they had fielded like they normally do Pakistan would not have gone past 250.

    Also, as usual if your key bowlers don’t perform, you will lose matches like this. Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar and Afridi are 3 key bowlers who are not performing. Afridi was quite disappointing today. Afridi’s problem is that under pressure he bowls too flat. He should try and give more flight. We have seen many times from Swann this series that the batsmen hit him for a six, but that does not make him change his bowling style.

    Afridi’s captaincy is under the scanner and we all know that if a captain does not perform consistently he loses confidence of the team and the fans. It happened with Malik, it happened with Younis and now it is happening with Afridi.

    Afridi is a good player, much more able than most other players but he needs to improve his game manifold. At the moment he is a liability in the bowling which is his specialism.

  57. #57 by khansahab on September 12, 2010 - 9:15 PM

    Reportedly Razzaq had an argument with Waqar Younis following today’s defeat. Razzaq thinks he is not in the team because of Waqar.

    Razzaq can only realistically replace Gul or Irfan. Irfan bowled better today but his fielding is comical. It is pathetic to imagine a cricket board that cleared this guy to play international cricket when his fielding is not even club level. But this is what happens in Pakistan where, decisions are made on emotions and bias. Irfan’s height and so called “bounce” was so impressive that they did not even consider his pathetic fielding?

    If Razzaq replaces a batsman, he would have to replace Hafeez. The problem there is that, whereas Hafeez has not been particularly good in bowling and batting, he has not been particularly bad as well. His fielding is decent. So, overall he is probably a more useful player than Razzaq who is a guaranteed liability in bowling and fielding.

    Hence, Razzaq should replace Irfan. This is not to give any credit to Gul, who was criminal in the first match and only slightly better today. Gul should really do much better than this owing to his seniority and experience. However, as I have said many times before, if you can’t bowl in late 80s/early 90s and if you can’t swing the ball, in modern day cricket you will be decimated unless you have a special additional quality like good bouncers, good slower balls or good yorkers that you can bowl regularly. We have not seen these types of deliveries from Gul and they are not easy to bowl.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 12, 2010 - 10:13 PM

    When Wahab Riaz played for Pakistan after the betting/fixing scandal, I was questioning how come Wahab is in the squad? Because, even a lay person could tell that Wahab and Umar Amin are involved, especially Wahab who took that jacket from Majeed and wore it. Kamran Akmal’s name appeared initially but he was some how magically escaped from that list. But, Wahab there is no doubt about his involvement. Finally, Ijaz Butt has confirmed that he is the 4th player Scotland Yard wants to interview and he shall be meeting the police on Sept. 14th.

    Is there no other fast bowler in Pakistan who can be called for playing in the remaining matches? Asad Shafiq has proved his worth so, there must at least be a bowler who can contain the run and take a few wickets. Irfan has proved to be a comical character because of his height but, Pakistan doesn’t need another Alam Channa in cricket.

    I agree with khansahab that Abdul Razzaq should be given another chance he can definitely be better than Irfan. Waqar was adamant before that he will play Wahab and when Wahab did not play he continued with Irfan that must have put off Abdul Razzaq and very rightly so. Waqar should end politics. And, sure Afridi needs to improve his own form otherwise he will be in trouble. His bowling and batting both are pathetic.

    One final word. WHY THE HELLO FAWAD ALAM IS NOT TRIED AS A BOWLER? There is no harm in giving him an over or two to see if he can contain some runs if not wickets because Gul is pathetic these days.

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 13, 2010 - 3:19 AM

    Afridi not happy with Irfan’s fielding

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/cricket/angry-afridi-cuts-irfan-down-to-size-jd-04

    Shoaib Akhtar also dropped a catch in the same area in the previous match but, Afridi was not so angry with him. Is it because he is new and not recognized himself as a good bowler?

    Stauss should have walked, after Kamran held the catch and the ball clearly touched Strauss gloves and yet he stayed, later he said, I did not know if the ball touched my glove. Every single player knows when he nicks with his bat or his glove but, this is not sportsmanship A BIG BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to him.

  60. #60 by Mohammed Munir on September 13, 2010 - 5:20 AM

    I didn’t watch the match, it was not worth it !!

    If we can’t defend 294 runs, then I don’t know what else will be a defendable score for our pathetic bowlers.

    We definitely lost this second ODI only and only because of our toothless bowling, as batsmen did their best to reach 294. We can argue all day that a few more runs could have been scored here and there, but the fact is that we are missing Aamir and Asif badly and Akhter, Gul and Irfan are just not good enough. I am specially disappointed with Gul because Akhter was always considered a ‘spent-force’ while Irfan would not have even got a chance if A&A were playing, whereas Gul is not only a permanent feature but also our best prospect among the available lot.

    BTW, Gul went for 68 runs in only 6 over at rate of over 11 runs per over in the last game, which is as bad as it could get.

    I really don’t understand what the Pakistan strategy will be in the remaining 3 matches, but with a bowling attack this bad, it seems we can’t win a single game.

  61. #61 by M. Y. Kasim on September 13, 2010 - 3:48 PM

    Javed A. Khan & Khansahab,

    This blogg and the comments made on it are being taken seriously by all and sundry 🙂

    Thake this clarification by Air Chief Marshall …. (I dont recall his name) 😀

    In his statement he said ” The PAF had taken early warning of the flood and therefore, evacuated all the planes, equipments and weapons from the Shahbaz Air Base near Jacobabad well before the flood waters thraetened the Air Base ” This is The AIRFORCE of PAKISTAN and not some Met. Deptt. of Pakistan. 😀

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 13, 2010 - 6:10 PM

    Kasim Sahab

    From that statement of the so-called Air Chief Marshall it appears that human life is not so important as the fighter planes, air crafts and other equipment that the air force has. If the government of Pakistan had done something similar in evacuating people there may not have been such a great life loss. If the Chaudhry’s have not broken the dams to prevent their crops and fields from damaging, hundreds of villages and thousands of homes may not have swept away by the floods. IF THESE PEOPLE IN PAKISTAN WHO DELIBERATELY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THIS SITUATION AND HAD SOME KIND OF LOVE, COMPASSION AND FEELINGS FOR HUMANITY IN THEM, THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE WHAT THEY DID.

  63. #63 by khansahab on September 13, 2010 - 6:19 PM

    Varun

    Everything that we say and think is a product of our limited intelligence. The acknowledgement of superior intelligence, a superior being or superior order is the way of the wise. Considering one’s mind capable enough to assess God, the meaning of life etc is the biggest stupidity.

    We think on the basis of logic and reason. I accept whatever I am saying is a product of human logic, too. I can only try and explain to you in my limited capacity as a human being using human tools to evaluate inhuman, superhuman processes, entities and God of whom Muslims believe there is no plural. That is the problem when Man tries to work out the idea of an order, an entity that is completely distinct from mankind. It is a futile exercise, a war man cannot win.

    There are mathematical formulae to represent forces, such as, every action has an opposite reaction. The basis of everything that we do, is gauged by two polarised ends of a spectrum- good vs evil, rich vs poor, bad vs good. In the same way, God is the opposite of humans. I will forgo the word “equal” that is central to the equation, in this case, however. Weakness is endemic in man, but God has no weakness.

    This very concept of strength vs weakness is central to the meaning of life. Followers of Christianity, Judaism and Islam believe that, Adam, the first man, was tempted by a weakness.

    Now, I am very certain that an intelligent religious guy somewhere can justify the meaning of life with reference to God, by using mathematical formulae. I am not a maths expert, so I hope Omer will do it. Science, maths, physics- all these disciplines are the machinery of logic, reason etc, they are not masters, they are servants. They serve a higher entity, the human mind. The human mind manipulates. It can manipulates numbers, letters, words to achieve a desired result. That is why, an attempt to use science to challenge the existence of God is stupidity.

    One of the problems we have is, God is seen as a “person” by all of us. In the Christian faith they have combined the Holy Trinity. We use the pronoun “He” to represent God, although God has no gender. A lot of the problems we have are because of this stereotype. Again I come to my earlier point that, we are always making an effort to picture, represent, work out this entity known as “God”. When we do that, we end up with ludicrous results.

    Voltaire said, “If there was no God it would be necessary to invent him”. Do you remember I once wrote about the Heaven v Hell argument- why it is necessary to infuse the materialistic concept of reward v punishment to extract good from men? Why is this something that does not flow out of the goodness of heart?

    There is a grave danger that threatens spiritualism today. It is the lack of faith in people. A person devoid of spiritualism, considers only reward v punishment. But he does not consider the motives for doing good that are the emblems of heroes, of people that leave a lasting mark on other people. Qualities like, sacrifice, commitment, devotion. You leave behind an immoral society. By that I don’t mean drugs, promiscuity, drinking. I mean, a society that considers only reward v punishment and nothing above or beyond.

    I will write more in this later. Ideas spring to mind and then disappear.

  64. #64 by khansahab on September 13, 2010 - 6:49 PM

    Varun

    If we proceed on the basis that, whatever we say and do is a product of this weak, limited, powerless human mind and logic, where must we look for answers?

    Where is the antidote for our imperfection? The guidance, the light?

    From all available options, is the Quran not the best available guidance?

    I am not a religious person and I have said and done things most Muslims will not be proud of. But, in my search for answers, I find I reach a standstill when I approach the Quran. It makes me realise, what is the point of having a mind, the point of deep thought- when we have this book?

    Now, the reason I say this is as follows. Suppose we establish that, the human mind is limited and cannot concoct the meaning of life and the reason for existence.

    In the absence of such valuable information, where do we go on from here?

    Perhaps we can go to tangible sources of possible inspiration. The Quran is associated mostly with the Prophet of Islam (SAW) but, he could not read or write. It was compiled into a tangible, literary form by the Angel Gabriel. There is proof to say it has never been changed. Not a word has been altered.

    There is evidence of the existence of Prophet PBUH, his followers, their castes. Museums hold their belongings, historical texts mention them.

    The best alternative, therefore, MUST be for the human mind to follow what is tangible, unchanged, unique.

    All of a sudden, the creativity of the mind, the genius of man, is brought to its knees by a book.

    Man needs a guide. Without a guide, there is no inspiration or spiritualism. You become an idiot, just taking everything at face value, worshipping entities men have made for men to cherish, treasure, revere.

    You go astray. It is a plunge, a descent into damnation.

    All this is not being said by a practising Muslim by the way. I am too ashamed to even admit what a bad Muslim I am.

  65. #65 by khansahab on September 13, 2010 - 10:19 PM


    Zaheer Abbas may replace Ejaz Butt

    KARACHI: Former stylish batsman, Zaheer Abbas, may replace the current chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB).

    As Ejaz Butt failed to manage cricket affairs in an able way, Patron In-Chief has now started to ponder upon different options for the top cricket job in the country.

    Sources revealed that apart from Zaheer Abbas, names of Tauqir Zia, Majid Khan, Ehsan Mani, and Arif Ali Khan Abbasi are also being considered by President Asif Ali Zardari.
    As mentioned above, the decision to appoint the PCB Chief becomes political at times as the country’s Defence Minister is considered as the main supporter of Ejaz Butt and who has been reportedly backing Butt despite his impotency to handle cricketing affairs.

  66. #66 by newguy on September 13, 2010 - 10:28 PM

    Khansaheb,

    I just got a few random thoughts on your posts on religion, conversion, etc. I don’t want to get into a lengthy debate on religion as it is always a contentious topic, just like politics, only much more contentious than politics.

    I think if I interpret your last two posts as saying one needs a belief in god in order to have a guidance for living unselfishly then this is something I can agree on. I think you said much more than that and many other things, but the main point I got out of it was that may be you are trying to say without a belief in a higher authority human kind will go ashtray as they are chasing materialism and only worried about punishments from his own peers, where as believing in god will lead them to live a life where they also are kind to other people. I think this is fine, so long as it is kept at that moderate level.

    Unfortunately though it is taken to the next level and the next level, so on .. for instance, people claiming to be god men will say god wants us to not do this act, if you do it you will be punished, and here is the punishment, so on.. you see where I am going. It is okay to have a belief and follow it if you need that to be kind and unselfish or what ever is your moral system.

    But when humans start judging other humans on their level of adherence to the belief system it starts becoming dangerous.

    In the Hindu belief system the same things you said exists. For instance the Hindu texts Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavat Gita says a lot of good things about living a good life, but there are also excerpts that I may not agree with or not wanting to adhere to. Does that mean that I am not a good person now? what if someone starts judging me based on that? This is the problem with humans. The same weakness you said will cause them to start judging others and some may appoint themselves as the speaker of god.

    Isn’t this why Islam is also hijacked by some of the extremists? That they believe they are the real upholders of the religion and everything the text says must be adhered by everyone and anyone not following must be punished.

    I think it is fine in moderation, but it is very hard without a hard separation by the state that religion cannot be allowed to dictate laws and judging humans.

    As for the conversions, I don’t think of these things other than someone’s personal choice. However, I do prefer religions that do not have a practice of conversion, I view it more like recruiting people into political parties. Among the major religions, Islam and Christianity are both converting religions, in the sense that both religions encourage conversion into them very much, but do not encourage conversion out of it and rather have punitive measures for those that try to convert out of it. Hinduism on the other hand is a religion that one is born into and there is not conversion into it, not to a large extent anyway and there is not active encouragement for it. I am not saying it is wrong if someone is converting on their own, but the encouragement for converting and punishing for leaving reminds me of the modern political parties.

    I am not saying all this to offend anyone, but as I said in the beginning when you start talking religion it is easy to offend at least someone. Better stay out of this topic.

    I will finish by saying that extreme of anything is never good, and in moderation everything can be good. Tolerance and acceptance of everyone regardless of religion, caste, creed, ethnicity, gender, etc is needed, and people have to be kind to each other, and not quick to pass judgement and punishment on others. These are fine core beliefs.

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 13, 2010 - 10:33 PM

    With all due respect to Varun‘s views, apparently he believes in God but, does not consider religion as a tool to relate with God. I think there are many people like Varun who believe in doing good, being good, doing no harm to others, respect others and be kind etc. etc. khansahab you have mentioned Adam as the first messenger and the first human God has sent to earth because he was tempted by a weakness most religions accept that notion. The fact is sending Adam to Earth was a part of the Creator’s Grand Design even before the creation of Adam. There is a purpose behind Adam’s creation and why God sent him to earth.

    Shaitaan or Iblees was a Jinn, a good Jinn who used to move in the company of (Malaiks, Farishtay) Angels but, he was not an Angel. Allah knew his niyat (intentions) and when He ordered him to bow in front Adam, all the Angels and many good Jinns did, but Iblees refused. He refused because he thought he was superior to Adam, what he did not realize that the order to bow in front of Adam was not from anyone but, from his Creator who is more superior and above ALL.

    The purpose of creation of this universe(s) and that of human race is a part of the grand design of the Creator and man’s knowledge about himself and this universe is like a spec of sand from a beach or a sand dune. We as humans we only believe in what we see and refuse to accept which our limited mind does not allow us to see. A mind can only see what it is prepared to see. Even our dreams are a part of what we see or what we imagine, there is nothing superhuman or extraordinary about our dreams.

    You must have heard about an old story of a debate between an Atheist and a Scholar in a particular village in front of many people. Its a long story to cut it short the scholar reached late and he said, that the reason for being late was due to severe rain and the flooding but, luckily and thank God, a tree fell by itself and the branches cut off by itself, then the trunk of the tree got chopped up and a boat came out of the tree and then I used that boat and came here. Upon hearing the story the Atheist and the villagers laughed at the scholar.

    The Scholar said, you don’t believe that a boat cannot come out of a tree trunk by itself? Then how come you believe this Universe came out by itself without its creator? They were a bit shocked as they were caught in their own stupid argument with the scholar. The debate continued and the Atheist was not agreeing, then the Scholar goes near the Atheist and slapped very hard on his face. The Atheist complained of pain, the scholar said, where is the pain? I see no pain. He asked the villagers, do you see the pain? They replied NO. Then he said, there are so many things in this world which you cannot see but, they are there so why not believe in the Creator?

    We don’t see electricity in the wire but it exists. Likewise, radio waves, electromagnetic waves, gama rays, x-rays we use them to cure our ailments they are all invisible yet they are there. Man always wants miracles or proof and that too material proof that is human nature. But, when you start delving deeper into your own heart and into your own mind you will always find answers. Einstein studied physics to come up with the theory of relativity it wasn’t dawned upon him. I am quoting from the works of Einstein:

    “Albert Einstein is on record as saying that he did not believe in a personal God. They keyword is personal. Einstein did not believe that god knows or cares about you on a personal level, that he hears your prayers or interferes in anyway in response to prayers. Instead, he believed that there was a God that maintained and created the harmony of the universe. “

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 13, 2010 - 10:42 PM

    Ehsan Mani could be fine, but Zaheer Abbass is a stupid idiot simpleton may be a degree less than Ijaz Butt. If Zaheer was not considered fit for being the team manager (he was manager at the Oval debacle) how come they consider him for the post of CEO of the PCB?

    Better more could be Kamran Abbassi the author of Pakspin on cricinfo. He is not only an educated person but, he has in depth knowledge of the game and a lot more like, he knows how to run a corporation. I would vote for him for sure.

  69. #69 by M. Y. Kasim on September 13, 2010 - 11:00 PM

    I support JAK for Mr. Kamran Abbasi to be appointed PCB ohief. 🙂

  70. #70 by M. Y. Kasim on September 13, 2010 - 11:04 PM

    Most Pakistani batsmen were out trying to either cut or pull balls a foot outside off-stumps by THAT GREAT bowler, Stupid Board.

    If I, a continent away can see that, a 100 yard away “Coaching Staff” didnt? 😀

  71. #71 by M. Y. Kasim on September 13, 2010 - 11:09 PM

    I salute Aisam-ul-Haq Quraishi for his guts and courage to say, which none of our “Leaders” has the balls to say. 🙂

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 13, 2010 - 11:15 PM

    newguy

    It is good to hear your views, you maintained silence for a long time it is about time to speak and you did so well. I agree with most of your points and I would like to touch this point, i.e., what you wrote: “for instance, people claiming to be god men will say god wants us to not do this act, if you do it you will be punished, and here is the punishment, so on.. you see where I am going.”

    Don’t you think our justice system (made by people) is like that? The only difference is GOD’s name is not there. But, still it is used before you say anything e.g., in a court of law you place your hand on a holy book and say “I will speak the truth and nothing but the truth.” Perhaps the modern system has removed the book but, the gesture of raising your palm and uttering those words are still there. So, it is an OATH, in whatever form it is, it is still an oath.

    The US dollar has a printed slogan “IN GOD WE TRUST” why is God involved in financial matters? Especially when it is being used for buying of illegal, immoral acts. And, for making payments to an assassin for a contract. In this material world, no one is even bothered remember God when doing good or bad things. The people who decided to print that slogan, In God We Trust, were good people, people who feared God and they wanted to remind themselves and others that when we are dealing with each other we need to be good to each other.

    A lot of people including myself, ask this question: ‘ As Muslims why do we have to pray 5 times a day?’ My Grandmother used to tell me, it is to purify your soul, I would never understand that. I do understand the meaning of it now but, I do not offer my prayers 5 times a day, I consider myself not a good Muslim. I am ashamed yet, I do not perform the required religious duties. In many ways I try to be good, I don’t drink, don’t harm people personally, physically, financially, emotionally, don’t steal others money, don’t provoke people unless they provoke me, so in a way I am nice, but I do vent my frustration like you and anyone else when it comes to cricket and politics and talking of people like, Asif Zardari and Ijaz Butt etc., because, this the only thing I can do at my level. But, I also praise other people whom I cannot meet or see in my real life. So, there is a balance in my criticism and in my praise. Yet, I do not consider myself as a very nice human being. I am lacking in many things and at the end of every day before I sleep, I beg Allah to forgive me for my sins and make me a better human being. Every morning when I wake up, I say Thank God, I am alive and it is a new day.

    I have drifted away from the main point, i.e., about the laws, no man is capable of making his own laws and implementing them even in his own house. Countries make laws through constitution and they implement it to control crime and maintain law and order, most of it is fine i.e., as long as it is fair and impartial. If there are amendments to that law without consensus and without the approval of the majority then there is nepotism, favouritism and what not. As regards a handful of terrorists, who drag God’s name in it have semblance of any religion and, who says they are right? May be a few uneducated, ignorant blokes like them, but certainly not the majority. Everyone condemns them and reject them.

    People who have taken terror in their own hands are naive, ignorant and they need to be educated and in my opinion if we are able to convert the terrorists into decent human beings who should be able to love other human beings, that will be a real achievement, otherwise to me it doesn’t matter if a good person is a Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh or a Jew. Because, all religions encourage and advocate peace, love and compassion. Don’t you think we and the future generations to come need this? What kind of a generation that will be if they grew up together in hatred and animosity? We all need love and peace.

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 13, 2010 - 11:20 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    I think khansahab will also support Kamran Abbassi, so lets make a move. Lets do a thread on Kamran Abbassi as new Chairman of the PCB

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2010 - 2:06 AM

    LONDON: Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf urged the cricket authorities to show compassion to Mohammad Aamer, who has been charged under the sport’s anti-corruption code in an alleged betting scam.

    Musharraf said anyone involved should be punished, but said cricket would be the loser if it ended the career of 18-year-old starlet Aamer.

    Salman Butt, Aamer and Mohammad Asif have been interrogated by British police over claims that they took money to deliberately bowl no-balls against England at Lord’s last month.

    The International Cricket Council has provisionally suspended the trio and charged them over the spot-fixing allegations.

    “It’s terrible. Anyone who has done this must be punished. They don’t deserve any sympathy,” Musharraf told BBC radio in London on Friday.

    “Having said that, Aamer, this youngster, 18 years old, he is a misled boy. It’s terrible. He deserves the punishment.

    But I know he comes from a poor family. The family was entirely looking forward to him with all the future available to him.

    Let’s not let this family down. Let him do well and look after that family.” During the ill-fated tour of England, left-arm quick Aamer became the youngest player to take 50 Test wickets.

    “Cricket will be the loser. At 18, look at what he’s done. Let’s not lose him, let him serve cricket,” Musharraf said.

    “Our thinking should be to reform an individual and not to give him a punitive punishment and destroy him. Here is a case where we may be able to reform him. That should be our aim and save cricket at the same time.

    Make him feel he has done wrong and save a poor family.

    “We must find answers to the issue of corruption. I’m talking of one individual only.

    “I would request from my side to anyone who’s trying him: compassion. He deserved it, fully.”

  75. #75 by newguy on September 14, 2010 - 2:46 AM

    JAK,

    You said it well. In the end, human made laws are imperfect as we have imperfections.

    On a different topic, Ian Chappel wrote an article stating Amir should be banned for life if found guilty along with other two. It has created a mini furore over at Cricinfo as fans are attacking with comments.

    Anyway, my opinion has still not changed, I think Amir should not be given a life ban as he is young man and he do not have any other skills to make a decent living in a place like Pakistan. Cricket is all he knows probably and he should be given a 2 year ban at most and them give another chance to come back clean. If he does it again then ban him for life by all means. But do not give a harsh punishment at this time.

  76. #76 by Mohammed Munir on September 14, 2010 - 8:53 AM

    From among the names given above (Zaheer Abbas, Tauqir Zia, Majid Khan, Ehsan Mani, and Arif Ali Khan Abbasi), I think Ehsan Mani is the most deserving case, followed by Tauqir Zia and Majid Khan.

    Ehsan Mani enjoys very good reputation and seems educated beside his stint with ICC. He also have very good relations with ICC and most cricket boards.

    Apart from playing his son, Tauqir Zia was also good admistrator and a tough boss, which is a must for our peoples, he comes after Ehsan Mani.

    Majid Khan is also a decent and honest person, however, at times he is a ‘sir-pherra’, plus the case of his son also comes in.

    On second thoughts, seeing his interest in Aamir’s poor family and love for Pakistan, we can also give a chance to ‘Pardais Musharraf’ to comeback and head PCB. 😆

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2010 - 10:06 AM

    Munir

    I know you have jokingly commented on Musharraf to take charge of the PCB, but you have still said it. The most effective candidate for that post would be your own favourite Imran Khan and what more? Unlike Pardais Musharraf, he is already in the country and everyone wants him to be the chief of the PCB. Why is he reluctant? What stops him from taking over that job?

    Your comments on other candidates are fine, one more thing to be added to the Sir Phirra Majid Khan, ‘he has already held that post in the past,’ so imo he does not qualify for that job for the second time.

    newguy

    On Ian Chappel’s article I have read it but, I haven’t read the comments, they are too many and I don’t have the patience to read them. My views on Aamer as an impartial observer are still the same that he is not a kid anymore he is 18 and he is an adult so treat him like an adult. As for the team support and for the sake of his family I may be lenient like others that he deserves a second chance.

    Coming back to the “Chappels” I would use the Urdu expression “Soop bolay tou bolay Channi kya bolay?” In short, look who is speaking?

    1. Australians are the first one to cover up their sins. Not everyone knows how “Guru Chappel” advised his brother Trevor Chappel to bowl that stinking underarm in 1981 against NZ in that ODI. At that time underarm bowling was legal in the sense no one ever thought it could be bowled in this fashion. After that incident the law was changed. For those who don’t know: “Overarm bowling was initially illegal. It was introduced to cricket by a Kent cricketer, John Willes. He actually learnt it from his sister, Christina Willes who found her skirt was getting in the way when she tried to bowl underarm!”

    2. How Denise the Menace Big Bully Lillee kicked Javed Miandad on his thigh and got away with a slap on his wrist as punishment, no bans, no big fines just A$27 as fine and that’s it. The irony is they have reversed the roles of the aggressor and call Miandad as an aggressor whereas Lillee initiated the row and kicked Miandad, they don’t show the footage of him kicking Miandad, they always show the footage of Miandad raising his bat at Lillee.

    3. Among the other scandals of betting and getting ties with bookies, we have heard about Mark Waugh and Shane Warne and the minor fines from the Australian Cricket Board for offering information about the weather and pitch information to “John the bookmaker.”

    4. We all know how Shane Warne has many scandals, not just with the bookies but, he took anabolic steroids and tried to mask it and then tried to cover it up with his grandma’s stories. And, off the field he was caught on tapes in a threesome and orgies.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/stay-in-touch/tabloid-has-another-field-day-with-warnie/2006/05/07/1146940411367.html

    5. Serial love rat Shane Warne texts lover – but sends it to his wife by mistake

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483649/Serial-love-rat-Shane-Warne-texts-lover–sends-wife-mistake.html#ixzz0zUog4aJe

    There are many more incidents where the Australians have broken the rules and got away with it. They are the worst cry babies. Reportedly in the previous IPL, two Australians have been named (not public yet) who are involved in spot fixing.

  78. #78 by Mohammed Munir on September 14, 2010 - 11:07 AM

    Javed Khan …

    If I had my ways, Imran Khan is definitely the person to head PCB and take cricket to the levels he once did.

    I wish and pray that Imran gets involved somehow and takeover PCB as it’s Chairman, but that said, heading PCB is a thankless job and it’s more like ‘Koailoon Ki Dallali Mein Hath Kaalay’. The PCB and cricket in Pakistan is so corrupt today that no single person can revive it, no matter how big a superman he may be. Why am I saying that is because I feel so sorry about the way they treated an honest and loyal person like Javed Miandad and finally he had to leave PCB. Seeing this Imran should not be encouraged to enter into Pakistan cricket thereby risking his name and reputation.

    Secondly, and more importantly, Imran is not on good terms with Zardari due to their political confrontations and from what I know of Imran, he is not one of those guys who will accept to work with a person like Zardari as his immediate boss, as patron of PCB. Cursing and blaming Zardari on one hand and still continue to be part of the government with him needs special political skills (Bai-Ghairiti) which our ‘seasoned politicians’ have but a straightforward person like Imran lacks.

  79. #79 by VarunSuri on September 14, 2010 - 12:02 PM

    khansahab(&Javed&newguy),

    I agree with you that there is limited intelligence present in us humans which is incomparable to the superior intelligence possessed by the creator of this World and this is one of the main reasons why I still have faith in God but what I am against is the need for a subject to be submissive and submit him/herself to the will of the so called GOD. To go a bit deeper into this: Why is it essential for a Muslim to pray 5 times a day? Or in case of Hindus Why do Non-Vegetarians do not eat Non-Veg on a Tuesday or for that matter any other day depending on which Hindu God they worship/want to please?. I accept any Religion as far as their teachings, guidelines, principles or moral values are concerned but what is unacceptable to me is so the so called Rules laid out presumably by the people who claim to have heard the Word of god personally and hence are qualified enough to compile a Bible, Quran or a Gita.

    One can be Spiritualistic by not being Religious and I personally know many Hindus in India who are like that and as a Hindu I would prefer to be a Hindu like them rather than a Trishul wielding Orange cladded Hindu.

    I reject your view that in order to look for answers our only hope is the Quran for Muslims, Bible for Christians, Gita for Hindus and so on, because if that was to be the case then there should have been no problems existing in our World today as supposedly one should be able to find an answer for any problems in the above mentioned books and then we had no need to study Science or use any of our mental prowess to determine the complexities of the nature.
    As newguy, already stated that a debate on Religion is very difficult without offending anyone and that is why I would apologize before I go on with my questions as few people might not like them.

    I don´t doubt the existence of the top figure in any of the Religions but how can one be so sure that Angel Gibreel wrote exactly what Prohet(PBUH) said or St.Paul or other saints wrote exactly what Jesus said or Ved Vyas wrote exactly what Krishna said in Gita? I agree with you that it is stupidity to contemplate or compare God´s intelligence with us mortal humans but in these questions I am not questioning the authenticity of the God but of its followers.

    You rightly said in your post that the Human Mind is manipulative and yet we are made to read certain Holy Books and Holy Texts which might be a figment of imagination of some Self-Proclaimed Saint, Guru or anyone who claimed that he is the chosen one by GOD to spread his message across other Humans.

    You say that the best option for the Human mind is to follow what is tangible, unchanged and unique. Unique truly it is but how can you be so sure that all the Religious scriptures have not been altered or changed to suit our Human Mindset?

    The other question which comes into mind is the time of existence of all these Central figures in all the Religions. I might not be correct here maybe someone here can throw more light on this subject but from what I know the Abrahmic Religions: – Islam, Christianity and Judaism were all formed or originated in the same Century and so called Hinduism (because it dint have this name that time) existed before these 3 Religions so does that make it any superior? How can a truly, devout Muslim with his view of conceptualization of this World be in agreement with a truly devout Christian with his viewpoint or for that matter us Hindus ?

    It is in this regard and utter confusion I refuse to follow strictly any religion however respecting all of them without offending anyone (hopefully). In order for a person to follow any one Religion properly, one will have to make certain assumptions for example: – If I am a Hindu than whatever my Religious scriptures say will have precedence over any other texts from other Religions and the same goes other Religions. So the crux of this argument is that wherever we will have difference of opinions or in this case different Religions, problems are bound to happen as everybody will consider their Belief System to be the most superior.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2010 - 2:53 PM

    Munir

    So, having said all that in support of Imran, you want Musharraf to head the PCB. 😀

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2010 - 3:40 PM

    Varun

    First of all by expressing your views, you haven’t hurt anyone so you can carry on this debate without hesitation, if we cannot discuss things intelligently and amicably then there is nothing we can discuss.

    Your question about why it is essential for Muslims to pray 5 times a day? I touched that point in my previous comment but, not in detail.

    There are many reasons on of them is, it keeps us on the right track all the time. It has many benefits and virtues. You are in touch with your Creator, you seek His guidance and you are in peace and harmony with yourself.

    1. It is an order from Allah to pray and being His creation we must obey our Creator. So, it teaches us obedience towards Allah.
    2. It not only keeps our body pure (because one needs to do ablution) but, it keeps our mind pure as well. Human mind can be tricked and tempted very easily by Shaitaan and his evil deeds. Evil does not mean in the greatest sense like killing someone or being devilish like a vampire but, the everyday minor things too like, gossiping and talking bad about others behind their back. Hurting someone with words which are sometimes more painful and much deeper than the wounds of the sword.
    3. Congregational prayers teaches us tolerance and develops sense of equality between the poor and the rich they all have to be standing and praying next to each other.

    Like I said before I am not a very good Muslim so I may not be able to give you all the good reasons. By saying that I am not a good Muslim does not mean that I reject the ideas or I am against the religion. No, I am not but, I do not enforce my views on others.

    Varun, you are talking about “Belief System” purely in the sense of religious believe, but trust me my friend we ALL have a belief system of our own and I am not talking about religious belief system but personal one. We tend to believe certain things in a certain way and that is because of our upbringing.

    1. On a personal level we don’t like someone for e.g., who smokes a cigar or wears a certain perfume that puts us off.
    2. Some people don’t like accents and they get put off by accents. Some gets put off by desi accent and impressed by French or German accent when they speak English with that accent.
    3. Some don’t like the colour of your tie or the stripes of your suit.
    4. Or the gel in your hair (personally I used to get put off by people who wear SARSOON KA OIL in their hair) which is such a trivial thing but its a fact.
    5. Some don’t like others dying their hair. And some feel that if you don’t dye your hair, you are careless and uncouth.
    6. I don’t like to stand near someone who is chewing PAAN (Beetle Leaves) for the fear of their splattering paan ki peek on my shirt. 😀

    There are many trivial things such as these and when you are attending a congregational prayer if someone you don’t like stands next to you, you still have to bear him and tolerate him. So, prayers are like reminders. We do have a reminder in our cell phone about our appointments or a secretary reminding us. Likewise, the call for prayer is like a secretary and the prayer itself is a reminder for us to practice the good virtues and be a gentle person.

    If you say, I can do ALL this without praying 5 times, may be you can, I don’t know you, but I can’t and there are millions of people perhaps billions who needs to be reminded to stay on the right path. There are people who say their prayers 5 times a day yet, they do other bad things, that is hypocrisy and munafiqat with yourself and your God.

    Finally about the bottom line of your comment on the difference of opinions: I can say that even if there is only ONE religion in this world and everyone is practicing the same religion, the difference of opinion will still be there. The crux of the matter is we are all humans and we need to be humane and that comes when we submit ourselves in front of our Creator and seek His guidance and practice it not only in the mosque, temple and churches and not only in group discussions, but in our everyday life.

  82. #82 by newguy on September 14, 2010 - 4:41 PM

    Varun,

    I am not a man of absolute belief in God, in the sense that I believe there is a Creator to the universe and God created earth and other planets and so on. I believe in science and if you press me really hard to point to what created the universe I will point to Big Bang Theory may be, or some other unknown phenomenon in nature. That being said, I don’t need to know this for my every day life, none of us need to know in order to complete our lives. It is when people get tangled up in having a “need to know” the truth about God vs Science then people get into all sorts of time waste.

    For me, if someone wants to believe God created universe let it be so, as long as they do not start imposing it on everyone and starts calling to arms against anyone who does not believe that, or starts teaching this in school to children.

    The reason is that we just don’t know, so why waste time telling God create it or it is some other theory, just accept there are some things in nature we just don’t have answer to and we don’t need to really know this.

    I accept God and religion in a different way, I have no problem praying to get my mental strength up, I call it power of meditation.

    Javed Khan said why Muslims pray 5 times a day, this is a very good reason to be religious, to keep one self in control. If you can control it without all the more power to you, I believed personally I could do this, there were times I couldn’t without a system of core beliefs.

    In the end that is what this is all about, having a code of conduct to adhere to.

  83. #83 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2010 - 5:26 PM

    Varun

    One more point from your comment needs explanation, you said: “I don´t doubt the existence of the top figure in any of the Religions but how can one be so sure that Angel Gibreel wrote exactly what Prohet(PBUH) said.”

    According to Islamic Faith, Angel Gibreel did NOT write anything nor did Prophet Mohammed PBUH. Al-Qur’an was revealed by Allah. His messages or revelations came through the Angel Gibreel and were conveyed to Prophet Mohammed, PBUH. When the Quran was revealed and recited by the Prophet, his companions recorded it, wrote them and it was compiled later. The important thing is people have recited and memorized it and there is not just one person perhaps millions of men have memorized it and will continue to do so. That is why there is no change or alterations took place in the Quran. During the month of Ramadan if one goes to the Taravih prayers at night, and not only in Ramadan but at any congregational prayer if the Imam makes a mistake there are others behind him who who have memorized it, corrects the Imam instantly.

    Islam recognizes the existence of all other religions and it mentions that there were 124,000 prophets. Muslims considers, recognizes and accept Jesus (ESSA) and Moses (Musa) as prophets and goes back up to Adam. The main difference is Muslims consider them as prophets whereas, Christians believe Jesus as God and son of God. The Hindu Gods or the name of their prophets are not mentioned in Quran, but like you have said, that Hinduism is more ancient than the Abrahmic Religions is true.

    Some people say that Brahmic and Abrahmic name is very close to each other and there could be some relevance in it? Perhaps, it is also possible that when God sent his 124,000 messengers there could be many among them in all the ancient religions. One should not dismiss the possibility of having messengers of God in every era and in every part of the world if we do not know or do not have the proof. But, it is enough to accept the fact that there were 124,000 prophets and Prophet Mohammed was the last prophet and the messenger of Allah.

    I have heard about the throne of Vikramadittya flying away up in the sky and Arjun firing 4 bows in 4 different directions at once. Is it not possible that during that time the science was so advance like today’s rockets are fired into various directions in one time? The ancient Greek and Egyptian stories talk about sarcophagus the limestone tomb used as a coffin, the flesh eating stone, basically it was limestone that was used to protect mummies and the stories depict that they used to heal the very sick people. We still don’t know a lot about ourselves from scientific point of view i.e., about our creation. However, from faith’s point of view we as Muslims have a very clear picture about the creation.

    The theory of Big Bang is contained in the Quranic Verse, Sura – 21 The Prophets (Al-Anbya’ 21:30) in which The Big Bang Theory is Confirmed. newguy you may check it out for yourself. This holy book was revealed some 1400 years ago, when people used to ride on a camel’s back and live in mud houses.

    [21:30] Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?

  84. #84 by khansahab on September 14, 2010 - 6:56 PM

    Latif quits Pakistan role over scandal

    Latif took the decision after being asked to explain comments he made about the current spot-fixing and betting scandal.
    The former wicketkeeper recently appeared on a television show where he criticised the Pakistan Cricket Board for their handling of allegations against three players on their tour of England.
    Test captain Salman Butt and pace bowlers Muhammad Asif and Muhammad Amir are under investigation by British police for their role in the scandal, which has also led to their suspension by the International Cricket Council.
    Latif said on the show that board chairman Ijaz Butt should have suspended the implicated players immediately before the ICC had to intervene.
    The Pakistan player, who represented the side in the 1990s, was one of the players to speak up when the sport became embroiled in match-fixing scandals more than a decade ago, accusing team-mates at the time of colluding with bookmakers and helped with the Qayyum Inquiries which led to bans and penalties for leading cricketers including Salim Malik.
    “I have sent my resignation today to the board which did not like my speaking on this important issue as I am employed with them in the academy,” Latif, who played 37 Tests and 166 one-day internationals for his country, said.
    “I would like to make it clear here that while it is an honour to serve Pakistan cricket in any position I can’t remain quiet on a key cricket issue that could determine the future of Pakistan cricket.
    “As a former player and captain, people look up to me and expect me to speak honestly and without bias and that I have done without meaning anything personal against anyone.”

  85. #85 by khansahab on September 14, 2010 - 6:57 PM

    Tainted Pakistan cricket trio respond to ICC notices

    Three Pakistan cricketers, currently under investigation for alleged involvement in spot-fixing scandal, have submitted their appeal against the suspension to the International Cricket Council (ICC).

    All three players — captain Salman Butt and pacers Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Aamer — had been suspended by the ICC pending an inquiry into the allegations against them. They were given 14 days to appeal against the suspensions.

    The trio called on Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ijaz Butt in Lahore Tuesday evening and discussed the latest situation after the scandal, a top source told IANS.

    The players had responded to the ICC notices in their individual capacities and PCB had nothing to do with it, the source added.

  86. #86 by khansahab on September 14, 2010 - 7:45 PM

    Varun and Newguy

    I think both have you enunciated similar ideas which may be addressed by a single response.

    My first comment in relation to this topic was to use logic, reason to establish the existence of God. This comment was really addressed to non-believers, as opposed to believers.

    The second comment was to question what the next step is, once our logic, which we have so much pride for, so much so that we denounce the idea of faith and God etc, once this logic is weak, powerless and flawed, what is the alternative?

    I perhaps used to word “logic” too loosely. I should have mentioned, some kind of thought process that is used to counter religion.

    I hope this clarifies.

    Now, why I mentioned the Quran in particular. My knowledge of Hinduism is very limited so, I cannot comment much on the Gita, except that many Hindus themselves believe that Valmiki wrote the Ramayana and much of its content is possibly a figment of his imagination.

    Beyond this I will not comment bakaouz of ignorance.

    By saying this I do not want to offend Hindus.

    Now, the Bible has been changed, “incompatible” versions have been destroyed many times over. Attending the church in most countries is just a tradition. There is barely any difference in Western countries between Christians and Atheists.

    The spiritual content of Islam is much greater than Christianity.

    Now, these problems with the Christian faith are due to the weaknesses of people themselves. They chose to mess around with the Bible, they chose to remove the spiritual ingredient of Christmas, Easter, and other occasions and make them mere “party occasions”.

    So the flaw is not with the texts, the saints, the prophets or God. The flaw is with the people. The prophets and God of Christianity are the same as Muslims, but as people they are totally different. Christians have themselves made mistakes and made other Christians adapt the Bible to however they wish, they have relegated Jesus to a cartoon. They ask strange questions like, why there is suffering in the world when there is a God and why does Jesus not do anything to help?

    That is because, in Christianity they have made Jesus out to be God and Holy Spirit at the same time who washes away people’s sins and protects and feeds them. So when there is unhappiness they blame religion for it.

    This is the reason why in this spiritual inquisition. I find myself favouring the Quran, because it is unchanged. The beliefs of 1400 years ago are still the same, the religion is still the same.

    It is the most recent of the “great religions”, therefore in this age, history supports it better than it supports other religions. People claim Jesus is a make-believe, Buddha was make-believe, Hindu gods/figures are make-believe, but no one can claim that Prophet SAW and those that succeeded him, are make believe bakaouz they were real.

    Please do not interpret this to be an advertisement for Islam. This is only an extension to my earlier arguments about why logic and reason can be flawed and hence, why this book that is said to have been arranged to be written by an angel, is perhaps the best available tool to base life upon.

  87. #87 by Varun Suri on September 14, 2010 - 8:13 PM

    As compared to Christianity, Islam is more a religion in the truer sense and I agree with all of your arguments about Christianity/Islam on this issue.

    Unfortunately or fortunately there is no book which could be an equivalent of Bible or Quran in Hinduism. Broadly speaking there are 4 Vedas and 2 Great Epics:- Ramayana written by Valmiki in 4th Century B.C. which has characters such as Rama, Sita, Lakshman, Ravan, Hanuman e.t.c and Mahabharata written by Vedvyas which has characters like Arjun and Krishna and a part of which is called BhagvadGita or SrimadBhagvadgita or simply Gita which is a short discourse given by Krishna to Arjuna about how to perform one’s duty.

    I am not an expert to comment on whether these characters really existed but in my travels across India after visiting places such as Kurukshetra( where the whole scene of Gita is set), Mathura( birthplace of Krishna) and Ayodhya(Rama) needs no introduction one can say that either the manipulative human mind is so cunning that over the years and centuries they have made such fictional characters almost real-like or it seems Arjuna, Rama and Krishna did really exist at some point of time.

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2010 - 9:21 PM

    Test Championship moves a step closer
    Read more:

    http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/current/story/477099.html

  89. #89 by khansahab on September 14, 2010 - 9:32 PM

    How Rich Are Pakistani MNAs? PPP MNA Tops List

    NEW YORK: While the poor became poorer and more people fell below the poverty line in Pakistan, the average net worth of an elected Pakistani politician (MNA) tripled, it has emerged. The only exception to the rule is Ayaz Amir – one of the most educated and articulate legislatures whose writings are read more than perhaps any other Columnist in the country. He is the loner in the pack with zilch wealth!
    In 2002, the average net worth of an MNA was around Rs. 27 million. In 2008, it shot up to 81 million -a three-fold increase.
    Interestingly, an MNA of the present assembly – a democratically elected one – on the average is twice as rich as an MNA of the last elected assembly – when military ruler Gen Musharraf was at the helm of affairs, it has emerged.

    Also, the wealthiest MNA is Mehboob ullah Jan, belonging to PPP from NA-23, Kohistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. His total assets is Rs. 3.29 billion ($38.7m assuming $1 equals Rs85.)
    Jan is followed by Shahid Khaqan Abbasi of PML-N from NA-50, Rawalpindi-I, Punjab, with total assets of Rs. 1.63 billion ($19m). Abbasi owns the Air Blue private Pakistani Airline and has been the Chairman of the national carrier once.
    Third richest is Jahangir Khan Tareen of PML-F from NA-195, Rahim Yar Khan-IV, Punjab, with total assets of Rs 1.1 billion ($12.94m).
    Province wise, Punjab leads in terms of the percentage share of the combined value of assets in the year 2008-2009 with 54 percent, followed by Khyber Pakhtunkhwa with 31%.
    Today, The News reported on a PILDAT (Pakistan Institute of Legislative Development and Transparency) analysis of the assets declared by MNAs belonging to the 12th and the 13th National Assembly. The comparative analysis revealed that the average value of an MNA’s assets has increased three folds in six years from 2002-2003 to 2008-2009.
    The average value of an MNA’s Assets in the 12th National Assembly was just below Rs. 27 million in 2002-2003 which has increased to almost Rs. 81 million in 2008-2009, a 3-fold increase in six years.
    Pildat on Tuesday released its report on its analysis of the Declarations of Assets submitted by MNAs.
    Declaration of Assets is mandated by election laws in Pakistan. So is educational background which remains subject of scrutiny and public debate.
    The asset analysis also indicates that an average MNA of the current (13th) National Assembly is twice as rich compared to his/her counterpart in the previous (12th) National Assembly.
    The PILDAT report series titled How Rich are Pakistani MNAs? has analyzed assets declared by MNAs for the years 2002-2003 to 2005-2006; 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 and 2008-2009 through 3 separate reports.
    The latest of this series of Pildat reports, comparing assets declared by MNAs belonging to the 13th (current) National Assembly of Pakistan, has used data contained in the Gazettes published by the Election Commission of Pakistan on October 15 2008 and October 27 2009.
    The report depicts that the current average value of assets held by an MNA stands at Rs. 80.89 million, based on the 2008-2009 declarations.
    This figure demonstrates a modest increase of 9.5% from the 2007-2008 figure of Rs 73.92 million.

  90. #90 by khansahab on September 14, 2010 - 9:33 PM

    Pakistan’s former ruler raises relief funds, eyes political return

    Islamabad – Pakistan’s former military ruler General Pervez Musharraf raised 250 million rupees (2.91 million dollars) for flood victims, a news report said Tuesday, fuelling speculation over a political comeback.
    Musharraf conducted a three-hour telethon on Sunday via a private broadcaster from London, where he has been living since resigning in in 2008, the Dawn newspaper reported.
    Donations were taken via telephone by the Duniya TV channel for the Pervez Musharraf Foundation, which the former president said was registered as a charity in the United Kingdom.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 14, 2010 - 10:00 PM

    Varun

    Do you still doubt that they are fictional characters? If that is the case then the entire history of India needs to be doubted. The existence of Rama or RamChanderJi or Ram for short and Sita as his wife, his brothers Laxman and Bharat and they being the sons of Kaushalia, wife of Raja Dashrat seems to be true. Whether one considers them as God or as a fictional Character of Mahabharata and Ramayana is a personal matter. Some Hindu people I know say that they (Ram, Krishna) were not gods but, they were kinda Ishwar or messengers and they believe that God is the Creator and He is the Parmeshwar. The epic of Ramayana and Mahabharata may have changed over centuries like khansahab mentioned about Bible.

    It is true that Bible has changed from Old Testament to New Testament, to revised edition to International revised edition etc., and the changes were made by the Church and The King of England which some people say manipulated it to suit their needs. Whereas, if you read the Quran written by the Second Caliph Hz. Usman (which is in the Tashkent museum) it is still the same as we find one today. That is the written version and there are people who have memorized it since the time it was revealed through Prophet Mohammed till date and it shall be preserved in the minds of millions of Muslims who have memorized and are called reciters or Huffaz of the Holy Book.

    I am not trying to publicize Islam but, merely expressing the facts that I know about the preservation of Quran and there are many things contained in it are amazing and mind boggling as to how the scientific knowledge and much more is contained in it?

  92. #92 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 15, 2010 - 2:54 AM

    Dear Friends

    We have a new thread now and it is about nominating Kamran Abbasi as the new Chairman for the PCB. I would like you to please comment on the new thread and show support for Kamran Abbasi. We want to get rid of IJAZ THE BIG BUTT.

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