At a time when the Pakistan cricket needs a new leader at the Pakistan Cricket Board, few names have been suggested by the local media they are: Zaheer Abbas,  Tauqir Zia, Majid Khan, Ehsan Mani, and Arif Ali Khan Abbasi.  Ehsan Mani may be the logical choice among the given names. But, we at LEGSLIP would suggest another name and that is of Kamran Abbasi, whom we consider as the best of the lot.

I have been reading Kamran’s articles on his blog from the time when he wrote on BMJ (British Medical Journal) a very interesting article about India – Pakistan cricket. And, after that he has been the author of PakSpin Blog at the cricinfo website. And he also writes in the DAWN newspaper as well .  His analysis of the game in general and about the Pakistani cricket team in particular has been very good and not only that he understands the game but, he seems to have a passion for it. He also possess the qualities that are needed for a leader from the management point of view.

I don’t know much about his personal life or his educational background or the profession he is involved with, I guess he is a CEO of some pharmaceutical company that he owns or something related to the medical profession. Also, that he is a doctor, whether he is a medical doctor or holds a Ph.D it is not important. IMO, he is good enough to run the PCB and I have full confidence and faith in him that he will run it honestly, sincerely and better than ALL his predecessors (that is if he becomes the Chairman of the PCB).

It is another matter that he may not be interested in that job due to his family or business that he has in the UK (I guess?) or, he may wish to remain in the field of journalism from where he can continue to raise his voice freely and openly.  I understand that running the PCB under the shadows of corrupt politicians and in the feudalistic society is not an easy job. In fact it is a very thankless job.  People like Ijaz Butt with no guilt, no remorse, no conscience can stick to the job without any academic background or knowledge of the game or skills of a leader to run such prestigious organization. He is a walking talking cartoon, a buffoon, a joker and a disgrace to the nation.

It would be worth considering Kamran Abbasi as a candidate for that post. His credentials are no less than Ehsan Mani, but he definitely stands head and shoulders above the rest of the names mentioned above.  Although, our blog is not that big to brag about in terms of readership but, we know for sure that some people have picked up our captions, headers and even the suggestions we made and wrote them on their blogs.

Personally, I have stopped writing on cricinfo due to various reasons such as censorship, new silly rules to express views in 1000 characters and then impartial and unnecessary editing of the comments by the ESPN who owns the cricinfo website. My associates have also stopped writing due to the same reason and we enjoy writing on our blog.  Sometimes when we raise an issue, it creates ripple effects and we don’t need to mention them in detail here, because its irrelevant and the main purpose of this thread is to show our support for Kamran Abbasi.

I would like to hear the views of our readers/bloggers and I am sure they will have similar views as I have.  Even if Kamran Abbasi himself declines the offer or show no interest in accepting this assignment he is not losing anything, it will be the PCB who will be at loss.  We wish him good luck and best regards. This should not come to him as a surprise because, the mutual respect is always there.


  1. #1 by Mohammed Munir on September 15, 2010 - 8:11 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Your Comments on Religion.

    I have been ‘skimming through’ your most interesting discussion with Varun/ New Guy and the inputs from Khansahab on the most sensitive topic of religion (as in the previous thread). Although, I neither have the expertise nor the inclination to enter into this endless discussion, but I still can’t stop myself from going through your comments.

    Thank you very much for your comment no. 83, and the quotation of Surah Al-Anbiya (21:30), it made the most interesting reading.

    I specially liked the Quranic words, “Would they believe?”, which in Arabic is like … “Afaa La Yo’meNoon” (Will they not then believe?).

    The word ‘they’ is used for the non-believers (non-Muslims), and the Quran asks in a way that in spite of all the facts and the minutes details about heaven, earth, and all living things being made from water, that Allah tells them in this Quran, will the non-believers still have any reasons for not believing in Quran and Prophet Mohammed ??

    Something truly exceptional.

  2. #2 by Mohammed Munir on September 15, 2010 - 8:23 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Nice little new thread and a valid suggestion of Mr. Kamran Abbasi for the contentious post of PCB Head, however, the article doesn’t give much details about the cricketing credentials of Mr. Abbasi.

    No denying that Mr. Abbasi is a passionate cricket fan and a decent, loyal and honest journalist, but is this enough to make him capable of heading one of the most complicated organizations of Pakistan ?

    I think his current whereabouts as well as whither he will be ready to stay in Pakistan is as important to have a grasp not only on the domestic cricketing circuits of Pakistan but to control our rough players and also the pigheaded administrators.

    Though, I also don’t know about the current location of Mr. Ehsan Mani, but anyone taking-over PCB should be stationed within Pakistan and must be well aware of the domestic cricket scene along with it’s international activities.

    Although, I don’t have any objection against Mr. Kamran Abbasi, but I still remain slightly tilted toward Mr. Ehsan Mani who is a qualified Chartered Accountant. Mani during his time (1996 to 2002) with the ICC, not only held the prestigious ICC Presidency but prior to this acted as their Vice President as well as Director of Finance & Marketing, while during his tenure at ICC he had worked under the famous Indian (maverick) ICC President, Jagmohan Dalmiya. Another feather to Mr. Mani’s well decorated cap is that he continuously remained closely associated with the PCB, while at one time he represented the Pakistan board at ICC. All this, in addition to Mr. Mani’s excellent contacts with cricketing boards of other ICC countries (members/ associates).

    So in conclusion, my vote goes to Mr. Ehsan Mani although, the biggest doubt is that will Mr. (10%) Zardari and corrupt-to-the-core Pakistani politicians accept any honest and decent person to head the lucrative PCB ?

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 15, 2010 - 1:37 PM


    The point is not to compare the CV’s of Mr. Ehsan Mani with Mr. Kamran Abbasi but to choose a professional. In my opinion only these two are real pros. Apart from these two, the rest of the candidates are not professional. And, choosing an ex-player tradition must be abolished for good unless that ex-player himself possesses professional degrees, experience etc. There is no such player in Pakistan and there will be none in future either, “bakaoz” the boyz will always be boyz.

    Zaheer Abbass: On what basis they think he is qualified? He is a typical paindoo with no knowledge of finance, marketing or business administration just because they call him Asian Bradman doesn’t make him any good.

    Majid Khan: You called him a Sir Phiraa insaan, yes we all know that he is hot headed and short tempered and on top of that he too doesn’t possess any skills. Being aggressive administrator doesn’t mean he is good?

    The rest of the candidates have all served the PCB except for Mr. Mani, and they have not done any great service to the game or the organization. None of them ever worked on the constitution of the PCB and I think it was done only during the short tenure of DNA. And the most damage that took place is during this Butt period.

    I know for sure that those who control the PCB may not want to see Dr. Kamran Abbasi or even Mr. Ehsan Mani to head this cash cow. But, this is our view and we want to put it this way. And, you are certainly entitled to cast your vote for anyone. I have clearly said that Mr. Mani is the logical choice not only because of his qualifications and experience but, his name is already in that list, whereas Mr. Abbasis’ isn’t and you may call it as our “fishful” thinking and that is because we always think outside the box. 😀

  4. #4 by VarunSuri on September 15, 2010 - 2:12 PM

    After what we have seen from Mr Butt, I don’t think anyone else can do more damage than he has done to Pakistani Cricket so in view of this anybody absolutely anybody could be a better chairman of PCB than him.

    It is only because of Dr.Kamran Abbassi that I am still writing here today because it was only on BMJ where I first read khansahab and Javed A.Khan( and not on Cricinfo), probably the Jawaani ka Josh was too much in Javed at that time as he seems to have toned down considerably, particularly when it comes to anything to do with India and Indians or maybe it is just the Weather and he will be back in form soon!!

    Moreover after going throught the kind of research papers he has written one might get the impression that he is more of a cricketer than a doctor otherwise he would not have been able to publish Research Papers on Cricket in a Medical Journal 🙂
    I hope he can come up with a paper now to solve some of the problems Pakistan Cricket is facing today and also provide some more insight as to how many more years will it take the Indians to ward of the demoralising effect of that SIX!

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 15, 2010 - 2:14 PM


    On the religious debate, I think if we respect others and express our views without hurting the feelings of others we can learn something from each other also, this way we remind ourselves that we do have an obligation and a responsibility on our part to remain good towards others, this will make us better human beings.

    The most important point that needs to be corrected among some people’s perception is when they say, “Prophet Mohammed wrote Qur’an” Or, Angel Gibreel wrote it. For Muslims it is a matter of faith that they believe it was revealed and for others it is a hearsay that they think it was written. There is a difference between ‘written and revealed.’ The Prophet did not write Qur’an. He was Ummi which means he was ‘unlettered’ which means not able to read and write. But, he was definitely not illiterate in the sense that he possessed a wealth of knowledge and wisdom.

    Living in mud houses in a desert, some 1400 years ago and “writing” a book which billions of people have read it since then and, memorized it, recite it several times a day yet cannot find a single mistake in it, still there are a few things in it which Man has not been able to comprehend it properly because of his own lack of knowledge, is it possible for anyone to write such a book? That is why Muslims have faith in it that the Book was not written but it was revealed. And, the faith is not since some scientist has confirmed the Big Bang Theory is contained in the Qur’an but, the faith is there since the last 1400 odd years or from the time he came out of the cave of Hira and talked to his wife Khadija about the revelation of the first 5 verses of the Surah Alaq and about his Prophet-hood.

    Today with all the advancement in science, medicine and technology can anyone write a book like that?

  6. #6 by VarunSuri on September 15, 2010 - 2:29 PM


    Who is an expert on Religion here? All of us are novices maybe one person knows more than the other but that should not scare us from debating the pros and cons of every Religion, one only gets to learn something new this way.


    As I had already said in my previous comment that I am not an expert in Religious issues so with an open mind I was trying to consider all the possibilities but with the kind of evidences one comes across when one travels all over India from North to the South or West to East, it is very difficult for anyone to refute the overwhelming evidence in support of the existence of mentioned characters in my last post.

    Anyhow, the debate on Religions is okay as far as we discuss the features and characteristics of different religions but it gets a bit messy when we try to prove what is genuine and what is authentic and it is difficult to discuss it openly without offending anyone so with that view and just to keep the Religious people happy I would just reiterate what I had said earlier that no Religion teaches us bad things it is only (not sometimes but always) that people who claim to know too much or act as messiah’s of God are problematic with their dogmatic views and it gets even more messier when they start imposing their beliefs on others.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 15, 2010 - 2:30 PM


    LOL @ Jawani ka Josh, do you think I am old now? 😀 Yeah, may be! Yar, supporting your team is another matter and telling the truth is another 😉 of course I was and I will be against India when they play Pakistan. Like, I always criticized Sachin Tendulkar but, the fact is, rather the truth is he is one hell of a player. I used to get kick out of it when I used to respond to that guy Sachin Fan from California by asking him if he is Sachin’s Pedestal Fan or Exhaust Fan? 😀

    To tell you the truth there was more fun in those days on PakSpin arguing with Indians as well as with Pakistanis, I even had a row with khansahab and Munir and that is because I am a bit blunt. But, then the fun wore off with new rules and restrictions. Abbasi came to the limelight after that BMJ article on Javed Miandad’s SIX.

    In my opinion that Jinx was broken at Karachi in 2004 when India beat Pakistan after scoring 349 and restricting Pakistan to 345 that was hell of a match and if that match was lost, India would have not won the series because, earlier on when they started the tour from Lahore and at Bagh-e-Jinnah ground India’s full strength team played and hammered 335 odd runs and Pakistan’s second string team beat them with a few overs to spare. Imran Nazir was the biggest destroyer but, what a shame he was not included in the first ODI which was played at Karachi neither, Shahid Afridi was included. Instead Shoaib Malik was there and he did nothing. The last over was bowled by Ashish Nehra and Moin Khan couldn’t get a six or even a four that was needed to level the score.

    In the next ODI, Afridi was included and he scored well, in the next match after that he didn’t score well, he was dropped. This YOYO business must stop. Had they not given a second chance to Asad Shafiq, he wouldn’t have scored a 50. So, in the shorter version of the game big hitters and powerful stroke makers must be played over a long period of time otherwise, you ruin the career of these talented young guys.

  8. #8 by M. Y. Kasim on September 15, 2010 - 3:05 PM

    As I said earlier, I fully support Mr. Kamran Abbasi. I dont know anything about him, except that I too came to know he existed 😀 after reading and contributing sometimes on PakSpin 🙂

    Thats where I also came to know about JAK, Khansahab and others, some of whom turned out to be nice guys 😀

  9. #9 by Varun Suri on September 15, 2010 - 3:47 PM


    Every one of us is a bit older than that time. It’s funny how time flies and suddenly i realised it has been close to 3 Years or maybe a little more than that since I am writing here!!

    Ofcourse there was a lull in between when I got pissed by your Anti-India sentiments and took a loooong break, but things are different now, I am more mature now(hopefully) and also know when to listen properly and when to simply take it out from the other ear and I hope to be more regular writer once I am back in India in the last week of October.

  10. #10 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 15, 2010 - 7:55 PM

    LONDON: Ehsan Mani, the Pakistani former president of the International Cricket Council (ICC), has accused the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) of failing to educate its players about the dangers of corruption. Pakistan’s tour of Britain has been overshadowed by newspaper allegations of a betting scam that saw no-balls deliberately bowled in the fourth Test against England at Lord’s last month.

    The claims, published in the News of the World, led to the suspension of Pakistan Test captain Salman Butt and bowlers Mohammad Aamer and Mohammad Asif by the ICC. Mani, in an interview with the October edition of the Wisden Cricketer magazine, said the PCB had to take it share of blame for the scandal.

    “When players first come into the international game, they are given a one-to-one induction (by the ICC) on how they might be compromised,” he said.

    “But the Pakistan board is clearly not getting the message through to its players. The onus is on the PCB to explain how players under its control could behave like this.”

    Mani, who led the ICC, cricket’s global governing body, from 2003-06, dismissed claims Pakistan players were among the most vulnerable to ‘spot-fixing’ approaches because they weren’t as well-paid as rival international cricketers.

    “All cricketers round the world get paid well,” Mani said. “Even Pakistani players are exceedingly well paid relative to the standard of living in their country. There is no excuse (for corruption) apart from sheer greed.

    “If a player comes from a very under-privileged background and makes the big time, he needs a lot of mentoring, a lot of support and education. “We have to be honest — there has been a failure in the system in Pakistan here and certainly Pakistan should be accountable to the ICC to explain how it’s gone so wrong.”

    Mani added the time was now right for the ICC to approach the government in India, the global centre of illegal betting on cricket, to legalise gambling. “The ACSU (the ICC’s anti-corruption and security unit) works very closely with the bookmakers in countries where gambling is legal.

    “But in the grey markets, particularly India, where it is totally unregulated, the ACSU’s intelligence can only ever be superficial. “So this is the time for the ICC to say to the Indian government that you have to bring this into the loop…This is hurting the credibility not only of the game but of India and Pakistan.”

    Mani’s comments were published on the same day as Haroon Lorgat, the ICC chief executive, speaking after a meeting of the ICC chief executives’ committee in Cape Town, said Tuesday: “I am especially keen to engage with governments to consider the regulation of betting.”

    Meanwhile former Pakistan captain Rashid Latif resigned Tuesday as coach of the national cricket academy following comments he made last week about the spot-fixing allegations. Pakistan fast bowler Wahab Riaz is due to be interviewed by British police, who have already questioned his three suspended team-mates, this week.

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 15, 2010 - 8:04 PM


    LONDON: World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has taken samples for dope tests from four Pakistani cricketers in London, Geo News reported Wednesday.

    Skipper Shahid Afridi, Muhammad Yousuf, Kamran Akmal and Shoaib Akhtar submitted their urine samples for the tests.

    The dope tests are being conducted at a time when three Pakistani cricketers are already facing suspension for their alleged involvement in spot-fixing.

    In 2006, fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar and Muhammad Asif had tested positive for dope tests. Asif had also tested positive for dope test in 2008 after IPL.



  12. #12 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 15, 2010 - 8:12 PM

    WADA is trying to create a mountain out of a mole hill.

    At this time when only 3 ODI’s are remaining they have taken urine samples of players like Mohammad Yousuf? Akhtar; they have a previous track record, but dragging others including Akmal and Afridi doesn’t make any sense to me.

    Mohammad Yousuf will take steroids? I don’t think Moulana Yousuf have ever seen any steroid pill in his life! Akmal and Afridi don’t need that stuff and Akhtar would be too foolish to have taken anything after his first incident of Nandrolone.

    He may still have high levels of Nandrolone in his system because, Nandrolone can increase on its own if an individual is exercising a lot and taking a very heavy protein diet. Akhtar has been doing this to reduce his weight and if he is tested positive again I won’t be surprised but, I can still vouch that those tests are wrong and inconclusive.

  13. #13 by khansahab on September 15, 2010 - 9:19 PM


    Thank you for your honesty.

    One thing I will say is that, if you are upset by someone’s comments it is always good to have a healthy discussion and try and disprove/discredit them if you think they are in the wrong.

    I think often people either just stop visiting blogs or their uncouthness and inhuman nature comes out, like how we saw with Shoaib paindoo.

    I know you are not like Shoaib paindoo, because you have the benefit of education and good upbringing, but you are capable of engaging in healthy discussion which is what you are doing now.

    You have mentioned several times now that you do not want to impose your views or offend religious people, I am personally inviting you to speak your heart out, we know you are a decent guy and we will not get offended.

  14. #14 by khansahab on September 15, 2010 - 9:35 PM


    Back on the discussion about religion, I don’t think I explained myself that well earlier.

    What I am trying to say is that, logic is a work of the human mind. It has a limit. It reaches a standstill after a while.

    What I have, or what you have said in this debate about religion, might carry the meaning of life or the reason for our existence. Alternatively, what we have said may also be a load of rubbish. That is because we are using logic, manufacturing words and using human tools to say everything that we say. The most intellectual argument coming from the most educated man, can just be a grandiose exercise of word play.

    One position CANNOT be favoured over another. It is a state of nothingness, emptiness. We don’t know what the “truth” is. “Truth”, like “falsity”, is just a word of a language. What material meaning does it have? It is again, a human concept, a human word, something we understand in our own little worldly shells. Although, truth v false dichotomy again, invokes some relevance to my earlier argument about polarised ends of a spectrum that I used in my assessment of proving God’s existence earlier (good v bad etc). In a similar way, “nothingness” and “emptiness” are opposites to what I am arguing the Quran provides- a “meaning”, a “purpose”. Again, this reinforces my earlier point that everything that ever existed, much exist in terms of opposites. Will advances in science/maths ever prove the existence of God, in terms of some formula? I think it is possible.

    So, when we are faced with a position that this logic/reason/science MAY or MAY NOT have any material use or potential, how does one’s existence get justified?

    In other words, imagine an Atheist claims perfect knowledge and uses logic and reason to seek what he believes, constitutes the meaning of life. Now, imagine my logic and reason is used to establish that, this Atheist’s views lack credibility bakaouz, logic is flawed and limited.

    So, if he accepts that he MIGHT be wrong, where does he find his answers? The foundation of his belief, his life and his existence is ruined.

    The questions are endless. Someone will become insane if he thinks too much into this.

    Hence, the Quran offers a remedy for this predicament. That is because, whatever happened 1400 years ago when Islam came about, is relatively well documented. You don’t need to rely on philosophical logic to know that, history is on the side of the Quran.

    Whoever helped in “writing” or “compiling” this book, there is no dispute amongst Muslims that the words in the Quran have come from God. There is dispute about what the Prophet SAW said or did in his life as different historians and scholars have differing views, but absolutely no doubt about the source and authenticity of Quran.

    Even if an Atheist does not buy the argument about the Quran, the fact of the matter is, someone can very logically determine that our existence is absolutely meaningless and worthless in the absence of an illogical, unscientific belief system. It is this fact which can be a big thorn in the movement for Atheism and denunciation of religions.

    So, in this state of inability to find answers, chaos, madness, the Quran with a strong spiritual content, historical merit, a belief system provides a way of life that is secure, wholesome and serves as a purpose in life. It is imperative for people to have a purpose. Those who do not, become insane.

    It is like a medicine, an antidote.

    Somehow logic, education, intelligence, science and reason, even they end up pointing in the direction of the Quran to provide the answer to, “What is the purpose of life?” It seems all roads are pointing in one direction only.

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 12:08 AM

    Wahab Riaz may replace Mohammad Irfan in the 3rd ODI.

    Despite being quizzed by the police during this week, Waqar Younus thinks he can include Wahab Riaz in the team because he is in the squad of 15.

    IMO, “same difference” 😉

    Riaz took 5 in the test doesn’t mean much, may be he is fractionally better than Irfan but there is not gonna be much difference in the bowling department.

    Gul needs to bowl only yorker lengths and if he continues to bowl short pitched balls he will be punished severely, if Waqar Younus cannot tell him this, Waqar should then resign as a bowling coach.

    Afridi needs to bowl slow and give more flight to his bowling otherwise he too will be punished like Gul. Afridi needs to slow down his mental clock by ONE second. If he tries to bowl aggressively and fast then he is not going to get wickets plus he will give more runs. The more flight he gives the more it is possible to get wickets.

    Ajmal is bowling well and Afridi should see that why Ajmal is getting wickets and containing runs?

    Asad Shafiq should come at number 3 as he is a very attacking player and he can hit the ball powerfully.

    Hafeez should go down the order at no.6 or 7 i.e., if he is playing.

    Fawad Alam should open with Kamran Akmal, while Akmal attacks, Alam can consolidate the innings and when Alam scores 30 plus he wold be more confident and would be playing better.


    What happened to Tanvir Ahmad the fast bowler who took 87 wickets in the domestic season, why is he not in the team?

  16. #16 by Mohammed Munir on September 16, 2010 - 5:58 AM

    Last things first …

    Javed, Tanvir Ahmed is not in the team becuase he is not in the squad, and he is not in the squad becuase he is from Karachi, and Karachi doesn’t produced many fast bowlers. 😉

    So that is that.

  17. #17 by Mohammed Munir on September 16, 2010 - 7:57 AM

    Varun …

    You are so right about the religious issues, yes I agree we are not experts and we all definitely learn something new while discussing.

    For example, I have read Quran various times and due to my living in UAE for over 35 years (I came as a kid only 😉 ) I understand reasonable Arabic while at times I also try to read related Urdu and English translations of Quran, but I still didn’t notice the Quranic verse no. 21:30 regarding the Big Bang Theory, as explained by Javed Khan. Similarly, I also learn a few new information/ details about your religion, while reading your discussions/ comments.

    That said, the discussion on religion is itself a very sensitive issue, further we communicate in English (which is second language for all of us) and thirdly, that too in ‘written’ format where we can’t re-explain our point of view unless a few comments have crossed in between. Therefore, I think the risk of misunderstanding each other is very high; however, I value the kind of understanding and mutual respect every have for each other at LS. This is really highly treasured here on LS, and it is absent on any other blog.

    On a lighter note, you are absolutely right about “Javed Ka Jawaani Ka Josh” in those PakSpin days and it seems he crossed-horns with almost everybody then. 😉

    Liked your honest comment no. 9, and yes at times we all get ‘rubbed the wrong way’. 🙂

  18. #18 by Mohammed Munir on September 16, 2010 - 7:57 AM

    Javed Khan …

    As Muslims we have such strong “faith” in Quran that we don’t really need any science or other worldly logic to make us believe in Quran or it’s saying, however, it is always a good feeling to see that today science is trying to prove and give reasons for what has been said 1,400 years ago.

    You are right about Quran that even after over 1,400 years of it’s revelation, nobody is ever able to find any single mistake with it.

    In fact one of the special miracles of the Quran is that whenever we are re-reading it (no matter how many times we read it) there is always something new to learn and understand about it and many issues become clearer after reading Quran each time.

  19. #19 by newguy on September 16, 2010 - 1:05 PM

    Khansahab / Javed Khan,

    I am getting somewhat of an inkling of the Quran and Islamic beliefs from your posts. I used to ponder over some of the common purported ideas about Islam and Islamic believers as well as based on my interactions with Muslims. I get the absoluteness of Islam as a religion and it’s rejection of everything else from Javed Khan’s statements on how it was revealed to the Prophet and your strong belief that everything about the universe is written in there.

    Now, as I said before, I am not a very religious man or a strong believer in such things, I think all religious texts are partially works of fiction. That said, it still does not prevent me from praying or accepting other people believing strongly. As I said so long as it does not impact life in a serious way.

    I do have a couple of questions / comments.

    I have read that the Quran says non-believers should not be made friends with. Muslims should try to convert them into believers and in the event it cannot be they should kept away, or in some extreme cases punished including taking away their wealth, property, women, so on. Is there truth in it? I have tried to clarify this from English translations, I have read a Sura that says non-believers should be made to understand and convert in a friendly way, that it is the duty of every Muslim to do so. I did not find any references to the punishments.

    Anyhow, I find this somewhat troubling if this is true that Quran does not allow
    Muslims to make friends with non Muslims. I think this may have been a fine tradition 1400 years ago, when there was a war between Muslims, Christians, and Jews. But not so for the last 200 years or so at least.

    I am glad we are able to discuss these things without it getting ugly, main reason is because you are all educated and liberal people.

  20. #20 by VarunSuri on September 16, 2010 - 1:49 PM

    Munir@17,& khansahab

    I would not be surprised if you missed out on any particular verse in the Edition of Holy Quran which you read because few years ago I managed to get hold of 3 copies of the Holy Quran, just of curiosity to read on some of the very widely quoted lines on the Kafirs and what should be done to them if they never turn into a believer one copy was published in Karachi, other one in England and the 3rd one was in Dutch published in the Netherlands, to my utter surprise, I found all the 3 copies very different from each other and although I can’t remember the verses I was trying to locate but the point is that although Quran was a revelation but we have had so many copies of Quran translated into every possible language from Arabic and it is highly possible that a copy in English might not be conveying the real meaning in Arabic, I am not even sure if it can deliver it’s correct message in any other language than Arabic because there are some things in every language which are very difficult to translate and especially when it comes to Quran or Gita, it is difficult to express their proper meaning in English because English is not an original language and it consists of many borrowed words starting from Latin to French to German to non-European languages like Urdu/Hindi so certain ideas which are non-existent in the English culture are difficult to comprehend in that language.


    I understand what you are trying to say and “I am in your agree” until the point you say that “Quran offers a predicament…because of a very simple reason. Even if I agree that the Holy Quran has all the truths and remedies for anyone in today’s World but is it really so easy to Understand? Can anybody who just knows how to read or write understand the meaning of Quran? Can even a devout Muslim who is aware of their History also read and understand Quran easily? On the contrary, the evidence which we have if you look around in today’s world suggests that a lot of people are misinterpreting the Holy Book. A lot of people have their own interpretation to what is written over there and this misunderstanding is not only limited to the Holy Quran but to the Gita also but the only difference is that in Hindus not many people really bother about knowing all the 700 verses of Gita maybe one or two or at the maximum 5, it is primarily the job of a Pandit/Priest.

    SO to conclude, as an Agnostic and also a part-time Hindu :), my purpose in life is not to find the answers about life and death in any Religious Book, I am not that bothered about who created this World? Or where will we go after death? but what is more important to me is that how can I make a contribution to make this place-planet Earth a better living place for all the living things including the Flora&Fauna and if I was to devote my time to Religious Studies, I fear that instead of pursuing my aim I would get lost in the endless mysteries any Religion particularly Islam&Hinduism has to offer and since already so many people have been following it for all these years I do not see any harm if there are a few exceptions like me.

    I inadvertently advertised the main principle or the meaning of one of the most important quotes in Gita and I would like to share it with all of you at this juncture.

    It is in Sanskrit and it goes like:-

    Karmanye Vadhika Raste Maa Faleshu Kadachan
    Ma Karma Fal Heturbhuh, Ma Te Sangotsva Karmani

    This means

    You have a right to “Karma” (actions) but never to any Fruits thereof. You should never be motivated by the results of your actions, nor should there be any attachment in doing your prescribed activities.

    In essence my knowledge of Hinduism is only limited to this and a few other quotes from Bhagvadgita.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 2:29 PM


    I know what is what? And I also know that he is not in the squad. Initially Mohammed Irfan and Asad Shafiq were also not in the squad but, the team was reinforced by their inclusion. Apparently they included Irfan because of the public pressure that he should be in the squad because he is TALL and he took some wickets at the domestic level. I don’t follow the domestic matches as much as khansahab. One of my friends mentioned recently that Tanvir Ahmad took 87 wickets, the highest number of wickets in the domestic season this year. Also, that he used to be in Kuwait and he comes from Karachi. Well, Sami used to bowl over 150 kph but, Sami’s career has been ruined by Kamran Akmal, he dropped too many catches of Sami, Kaneria and Shahid Afridi….. with a teep ka bandh, koi baat nai koi baat nai phir dega.

  22. #22 by M. Y. Kasim on September 16, 2010 - 3:20 PM

    I too have bad experience about the meaning and Tafseer of the Holy Qur’aan 😦

    A new friend of my daughter, who was a Jew was dis-satisfied with her religion and converted to Christianity. She found it not what she was looking for and desperate to search the TRUTH 😀

    My daughter told me the story and I told her to bring her to our house so that I personally know what she is looking for. I told the young girl to wait for a day and I shall give her a copy of The Holy Qur’aan to ponder whether it makes any sense 🙂

    My daughter had a copy, which was given to her by the Saudi authories om her last Umrah. I said well, who can be in a better position than the Custodian of the Two Harmain Shareefain 😀

    Next day my daughter was surprised to see her friend coming fuming at her saying
    “Is this your Religion?” It start with abusing and cursing Jews and Christians.

    “An amta alaihum gairul maktoobe aliahim waladd daaleen” Those on whom God has cursed (Meaning Jews) and those who have gone astray(meaning Christians) 😦

    Is this the correct assumption ???

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 3:26 PM

    Varun & newguy; I want you two to read this comment with due attention please.

    First of all thank you for understanding and acknowledging that we are not getting upset on discussing this subject. Secondly, no one is trying to prove superiority over each other, we are merely expressing our views with our limited knowledge which may or may not help others in understanding each others point of view. But, as long as we are discussing it amicably and intelligently it is fine. I want to assure you that no one especially I am not interested in changing your belief, instead I respect you for what you are.

    Varun, you are right in saying that sometimes we are lost in translation and that is not when dealing with translating from the holy books, but in general too for e.g., so many times you have asked me to translate some poetry in Urdu or explain the true meaning behind those lyrics. Mere word to word translation seldom gives you the right picture, there is always some background and some reference to the context which clears the way. Also, it depends upon our own knowledge and perception about things. And, with time and advancement of science, medicine, technology and our environment in general we are able to understand the meaning better. For this I will give you two examples:

    1. When Ghalib wrote his poetry some 140 – 150 years ago, he was in a different time and, the environment was different and people translated or explained the meaning of his poetry according to their understanding of that time, today it is interpreted in a different way. Just wanted to give you the example of one of his verses in which he said:

    Lay ayenge bazaar say jaa ker dil O jaan aur
    Kehtay hain kay Ghalib ka hai andaaz-e-bayaan aur

    In those days, people used to talk more about romance and romantic poetry and most people derived the meaning as:

    Dil O jaan = Beloved
    Bazaar = Bazaar-e-Husn or KoTha where the beautiful female singers used to sing mainly for the rich, you pay more money and win their heart.

    So, the general perception was, if one beloved is lost it doesn’t matter, if you are rich you will get another one from the Bazaar-e-Husn.
    (Tu nahee aur sahee, aur nahee aur sahee)

    But, Ghalib himself believed it in a different way which he never explained directly here except for hinting in the second verse that he is different.

    “Kahtay hain kay Ghalib ka hai andaaz-e-bayaan aur.”

    He was definitely different from others, I mean other poets. And, it is also obvious from one of his other verses which I am quoting below:

    ” Ganjeena-e-Maani ka tilsm usko samjhiyeh
    Jo lafz kay Ghalib meray ashaar may aye.”

    Ganjeena-e-Maani = Humongous treasure of meanings or, the world of meanings
    Tilsm = Jadoo, magic or, Tilismi Duniya or magical world
    Lafz = Word
    Ashaar = Verses from the poetry.

    He is saying; consider the words of my poetry as the humongous magical world of treasure which is full of meanings, which are limitless, fathomless, endless. It not only shows he was very confident of the words he was choosing in his poetry which have a very deep rooted meaning which most people of that era may not understand. But, he is also talking about the future, which I will explain below.

    There are many scholars who have read ALL of Ghalib’s poetry and they have interpreted it in a very different way and came to the conclusion that he was much ahead of his time. Hence those hidden meanings were not understood by the people of his time but, with the advancement of science, medicine and technology and by delving deeper into his poetry, and by finding references from his letters which he wrote are preserved with people in the form of books (even my Dad had a hand written book called, “Khutoot-e-Ghalib” or letters of Ghalib) they have interpreted it differently:

    Dil = heart
    Jaan = often referred as Jaan O Jigar where, Jigar is Liver and even today it is used in a very emotional way while expressing love. Even when you call your children Meri Jaan, Mera Jigar or meray Dil ka Tukra (piece of my heart) it is out of love.

    It is said that Ghalib despite being a Muslim was a compulsive alcoholic and he admitted it openly and as he was getting old the Hakims and the Tabibs (doctors) advised him that his heart and liver are failing and he should stop drinking. But, he was a visionary and believed that in future, heart, liver, kidneys and other important human organs shall be replaced (transplant) so he said that verse:

    Lay ayenge bazaar say jaa ker dil O jaan aur……

    By Bazaar it doesn’t really mean a bazaar or a market but, the meaning is deep rooted and in poetry he couldn’t have used, “haspataal”, hospital, Mustishfa or Dawakhana.

    For e.g., in Faiz Ahmad Faiz’s poetry he wrote:

    Gulaon may Rang Bharay Baad-e-Nao Bahar Chalay
    Chalay Bhee Aao kay Gulshan Ka Karo baar Chalay

    Karo baar doesn’t mean business and neither Gulshan was a female who wanted to run her business efficiently. 😉

    This comment is already too long so I will write the second example in another comment.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 4:07 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    Following is the part of the Surah with translation which you have mentioned in your comment:

    Ihdinas-Siraatal-Mustaqiim – (1:5) Show us the straight path, (1:5)
    Siraatal-laziina ‘an-‘amta ‘alay him – (1:6) The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; (1:6)
    Gayril-magzuubi ‘alay him wa laz-zaaalliin. (1:7) Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray. (1:7)

    You need to read the whole surah and not only the translation but, also the tafseer or interpretation. I don’t see the word, “Cursed” it says “anger“.

    Surah Fateha is one of the most important surahs and it is recited in every prayer:

    Abu Huraira has heard God’s messenger declare that God most high had said, ” I have divided the prayer into two halves between me and my servant, and my servant will receive what he asks.”

    When the servant says, ” Praise be to God, the Lord of the universe, ” God most high says, ” My servant has praised me.”

    When he says, “The compassionate, the Merciful,” God most high says, “My servant has lauded me.”

    When he says, “Possessor of the day of judgment,” He says,” My servant has glorified me.”

    When he says, “Thee do we worship and of Thee do we ask help,” He says, “This is between me and my servant, and my servant will receive what he asks.”

    Then when he says, “Guide us in the straight path, the path of those to whom Thou art generous, not of those with whom Thou art angry nor of those who go astray,” He says, “This is for my servant, and my servant will receive what he asks.”

    The point that Islam emphasizes in Qur’an is, the other holy books were changed by the people and they deviated from the teachings of those revealed books namely Torah and Bible, hence Qur’an was revealed as the final Holy Book. The disagreements will continue, the debates will continue but, facts also remain as facts that those books have changed but, Qur’an is still in its original form, unchanged. Some translations in other languages are different and at times it gives a different meaning. There is a difference between God has Cursed and God is Angry. Allah doesn’t need to curse anyone, He is above ALL and even Prophet Mohammed never cursed anyone.

    When the Prophet went to Taif, the people of Taif threw stones at him and he got injured and was bleeding from his head and Angel Gibrael conveyed him a message from Allah that if he (the prophet) wishes, HE will order the Angels to crush the people of Taif between the two mountains? The Prophet replied something like this, “I wish to pray for these people and I wish that may Allah guide them to the straight path.” It isn’t that Allah did not knew what the Prophet would reply, but HE wanted him to say that to the people to set an example that he (The Prophet) was kind and gentle and he brought the message of peace from Allah. Mohammed Bin Qasim – who came to Sindh – was from Taif.

    About respecting other religions, there is a surah Al Kafiroon and the last verse is:
    Lakum Deenakum Vali-e-deen

    Marmaduke Pickthall: Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
    Shakir: You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
    Abdullah Yousuf Ali: To you be your Way, and to me mine.

  25. #25 by M. Y. Kasim on September 16, 2010 - 8:04 PM

    The Holy Prophet said ” I am sent as a Mercy to all mankind, how could I wish to destroy a whole cummunity?” Rahmatul Aalemieen.

    The word “CURSED” is written in the modified Tafseer of The Holy Book on the basis of Moulana Abdullah Yousuf Ali by two Pakistanis, Dr. Mohsin Khan someone else I dont remember his name.

    When I say on the basis of Moulana Abdullah Yousuf Ali I dont mean he wrote the word, No no no, it was added by the “Saudi” translators on the order of “Saudis.”

  26. #26 by M. Y. Kasim on September 16, 2010 - 8:09 PM

    And Lakum Deenakum Vali-e-deen…also there are different meanings derived by all the translators according to their perspectives but the message is the same.

  27. #27 by M. Y. Kasim on September 16, 2010 - 9:34 PM


    Mr. Imran Farooq, a founding member of the MQM has been assasinated in London.

    Lately, he had developed serious differences with Mr. Altaf Hussian.

    He was attacked by somebdoy with knives and and rushed to the Hospital where succumed to his injuries.

  28. #28 by khansahab on September 16, 2010 - 9:42 PM


    I don’t know whether one implication from your comments was that, someone is trying to change your faith. I have not considered your faith at all in my comments.

    I was generally talking about Atheists. I think Varun said he was agnostic so I addressed Varun directly. I know Varun believes in God.

    I was trying to make a distinction between why believing in God makes more sense than not believing in God.

    As far as this issue is concerned about “Extremist Muslims”, the reason why non Muslims have this paranoia of these Extremist Muslims, is mainly because of biased global media. They try and grossly exaggerate the numbers of these Muslims. I know hundreds of Muslims, from rich and poor, educated and uneducated, religious and liberal groups, people speaking dozens of different languages, people from different castes and ethnicities, and I don’t know a single Muslim who is an “Extremist” in the way the media brands them.

    I can only conclude therefore that the percentage of these Muslims is much less than 1%.

    I am sure all Muslims you will speak to will say the same thing. This is why there is a counter paranoia amongst Muslims for the Western and Indian media that attempts to portray a “twisted Islam”. We don’t know why people like Osama Bin Laden exist, who he is, what he does, we don’t understand why he considers killing people is good. It does not make any sense to any sane person. Therefore, why it is linked with Islam?

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 9:46 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    Below is Dr. Mohsin Khan’s translation of the last verse of Surah Fateha, even he never used the word “cursed’.

    The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger , nor of those who went astray.


    Below is Abdullah Yousuf Ali’s translation, he too has not used the word curse, he used “wrath” which means extreme anger.

    7. “those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.”

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 9:53 PM

    Yes, I just read the news of Imran Farooq that someone attacked him with a knife and killed him in London, I hope this does not affect the life of Karachi. Whenever something like this happens innocent people get killed for no reason.

  31. #31 by khansahab on September 16, 2010 - 9:57 PM

    Kasim sahab

    I think MQM is famous for this, that if you disagree with their leadership they can kill you.

    However, a political killing in London, in fact anywhere outside Pakistan, is extremely unlikely. This guy who killed Mr Farooq will get caught.

    I don’t think this has anything to do with politics. It is possibly a racial attack.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 10:00 PM

    Varun, if you have 20 minutes to spare, please watch ALL these 5 videos of 4 minutes each, this is a speech by the Police Commissioner of Sholapur India.

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 10:18 PM


    reportedly today was Altaf Hussain’s 57th birthday I am not sure but, someone was telling me this today after I have read this news. And, I am sure the assassin will be caught because this is the UK and not Pakistan or India where the assassins disappear in thin air. They caught the July 7th bomber so this is nothing for them. We shall then know whether it was a political or a racial attack?


    Mr. Kasim

    The above videos are not just for Varun only, you may please watch them as well and see how Islam is perceived in the eyes of a non-Muslim, if there are more people like Bhushan Kumar Upadhyay then there will not be any racial and religious violence anymore.

    One thing I want to explain here is about the word “Kafir”. Generally in India and Pakistan when someone mentions this word kafir it is taken in a very derogatory manner. The root of Kafir is from Kufr and in Arabic it is used for disbeliever. In short those who do not believe in Islam and that is it. But, the way it is used in India and Pakistan sounds derogatory just like in the west they use the substitute word for disbeliever as “infidel

    The word kāfir is the active participle of the root K-F-R “to cover”. As a pre-Islamic term it described farmers burying seeds in the ground, covering them with soil while planting (أَعْجَبَ الْكُفَّارَ نَبَاتُهُ) (Surah 57 Al-Hadid (Iron) Ayah 20;[1]). Thus, the word kāfir implies the meaning “a person who hides or covers (reality)”.

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 16, 2010 - 11:54 PM

    Here is what the Qur’an says about people who do good deeds, irrespective of their religion or whether they are Muslims or NOT.

    Speaking of the last days and God’s final judgment of mankind, Sura 99 “Az-Zalzalah” or, The Earthquake, states:

    In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    (1) When the earth is shaken with its (final) earthquake.
    (2) And when the earth throws out its burdens,
    (3) And man will say: “What is the matter with it?”
    (4) That Day it will declare its information (about all what happened over it of good or evil).
    (5) Because your Lord has inspired it.
    (6) That Day mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deeds.
    (7) So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it.
    (8) And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it.

    This whole sura is completely general, there is no restriction to (Muslim) believers, but it says in verse 7 that everyone who does good, even if only a little, will see it, and this certainly implies some kind of reward. The passage speaks of all of mankind (6).

    This general promise is confirmed again in Sura 4:40: An Nisâ’ or, The Women. ” Allah is never unjust in the least degree: If there is any good (done), He doubleth it, and giveth from His own presence a great reward.” (Translation by AbdullahYusuf Ali)

    Please note that even if a Muslim does all bad deeds he is not guaranteed for any reward. This is contrary to the belief that some people say, that the Prophet Mohammed has assured his Ummah that they will be rewarded as long as they remain Muslim. Muslim does not only mean believer but one has to be a GOOD Muslim. In fact, those who are Munafiq or Hypocrites they shall be punished more. The concept of reward and punishment has already been discussed a few times, if someone does not agree with that is another matter.

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 12:43 AM

    My Dear Varun and newguy

    In the above comment number 35, I have shared the information with you after doing considerable research. To be very honest this is the first time I have read it myself from the Qur’an. So, in trying to do so I have improved my knowledge and learned something which previously I have only heard from the Mullah sermons wherein they talk about punishment only.

    Also, I have not been able to answer questions from people when they asked me ‘if someone is good all his life and not hurt anyone, why should he be punished?’ My reply was, I dunno, Allah knows best. But, today after reading those two verses from the Qur’an it has cleared my doubts that “whosoever does good….” ……. , Allah is never unjust ….. if there is any good (done) shall be rewarded.” See we learn from each other and I want to thank you for this.

  36. #36 by M. Y. Kasim on September 17, 2010 - 1:01 AM

    I am sorry to say that I myself read the curse in the translation metioned by me.

    May be they withdrew tht word from the next publications.

    Some forty odd years ago, King Faisal replied to the assertion by the Jews that they are “The Chosen People” by saying that you are the “Accursed People.”

    Within days, he was assasinated by his own nephew. You dont have to be a Einsteien to understand who plotted the HIT.

    Similarly, you can tell who plotted Dr. Imran Farooq’s murder.

  37. #37 by newguy on September 17, 2010 - 3:05 AM

    Khan Sahab and Javed Khan,

    Thank you for taking the time to do the research and explain. This is all very revealing and insightful. I watched the video, at first thought watch only first one for few minutes, but ended up watching all of it and left wanting more, it was such powerful message and explained a lot with logical reasoning why some misunderstood folks have created unintended consequences.

    For the record, I never said you were trying to convince others or change faith, I was asking you to explain about what I heard as a general perception. I know you respect others for what they believe and is only trying to remove the misconceptions. In fact I do not have a lot of misconceptions, like a lot of westerners have. I grew up with a lot of Muslims in my neighborhood, and some of my better friends that helped me get through a difficult period in my youth were Muslim. When I say friends I don’t meant just people of my age at that time, I was close to some Muslim elders as well around then and learned only good things from them.

    I think having stayed away for a long time and being close to constant media attention sometimes makes one lose perspective. But so long as the fundamental understanding is there I will never follow the hype. I have always stayed away from the stereotype, and this is why I had friendship with a diverse group in my youth, this shaped up my view into a better understanding into adult life.

    I don’t know if I mentioned it earlier, but in my house we had a Quran in my father’s library. He also kept a Bible, and we of course had most Hindu texts. My father always encouraged us to read all of them, and I tried. To be honest however, as a child I found the Bible stories much interesting to read because they were stories, like David and Goliath, Moses crossing the sea, so on .. and of course the Hindu books were also fun to read, because of Epic stories like Mahabharata, and Ramayana. I tired Quran, but I could not read very much or understand because of my age. I have been looking for a good English translation to read of late.

  38. #38 by VarunSuri on September 17, 2010 - 9:38 AM

    Dear Javed and khansahab,

    There is a lot of information to go over and unfortunately in the Hotel here in Germany internet connection is not so good so I will return home tonight and then watch the videos and also read the comments properly and respond.

  39. #39 by newguy on September 17, 2010 - 2:02 PM

    I will post a few more thoughts on the conflicting images surrounding Islam from a non-Muslims point of view.

    On one hand we have a great motivational speech linked by Javed Khan, from a non-Muslim police officer praising the virtues of Islam and Prophet Mohammed. Moderates like myself all over the world is encouraged by this to accept Islam as a great religion of peace. Problem them happens through news stories such as one I am linking below:


    This news is all over the internet and global media. It says 18 Muslims were killed in Police firing during an anti Quran burning protest.

    When this news hits the internet and global media outlets, non Muslims all over the world think here we go again. There is a violent protest from Muslims in some part of the world against a small time pastor in America threatening to burn Quran.

    This image drones out any message of moderation, this image plays in peoples mind and they easily dismiss any message to the contrary.

    I am not personally moved by such things. I know who these protesting people are, I have found them not only in Islam, but also in Hinduism. But that’s not the point.

    The point is where are the moderate Muslim leaders. Where are the Muslim equivalents of a Gandhi, Mandela, or Martin Luther King. If Muslims feel they are being oppressed by a global conglomerate of USA, Israel, and India, why aren’t there peaceful protests and debate, why isn’t there a struggle against by the great Muslim leaders.

    The fact is, and you have to keep an open mind about this, there is no one coming out of the peaceful Muslim majority to lead the way. Instead what you get is these violent butchers who wants to kill and destroy. But are they going to win? It is obvious they won’t, not in the near time anyway.

    The bigger question is, if Islam is being attacked and oppressed, what is the best way to counter it? Is it through violent struggle, successfully done by a few nations in history, or is it through peaceful means. The extremists obviously believe they can win by violent struggle, and they are doing that. As for the peaceful majority, no one knows what they want, because there are no world leaders at present representing this group. A lot of people think the silent majority supports the violent minority passively. In other words they publicly condemn these violent acts, but privately condone it. I don’t believe that personally again, but this is a general view I get from reading different blogs.

    So long as the peaceful majority remains silent, this will not change. This is food for thought to all you moderates out there who want to project your great religion in good spirit.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 3:40 PM

    Once again Pakistan team flopped, it was expected that Kamran Akmal and Hafeez will not score because they did in the previous match and Moulana seems to have lost his touch and his eyesight because he is missing the line and getting lbw. Umar Akmal’s unpredictability is continuing, whenever there is a crucial match he doesn’t score. Asad Shafiq and Fawad Alam played well.

    Afridi – either he goes out earlier on trying to hit big or, when he is playing well he gets run out. And, what a stupid way to get run out today! He was so lazy and lethargic hoping the throw will not hit the stumps, he slowed down and then he was trying to avoid the ball hitting him and being apologetic to the fielder for coming between him and the ball which bounced under his bat, deflected and hit the stumps while his bat was in the air and himself he was out of the crease.

    Umar Gul’s batting was pathetic, I hope he compensates with his bowling. Shouldn’t the coaches tell him that he should stay in the crease instead of dangling this way or that way? His strike rate of 43 is pathetic. He wasted so many balls, there was a maiden over too.

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 4:32 PM

    During the innings break I was watching the TV and a discussion going on between Aamir Sohail and Mirza Aslam Beg. It is funny that Aamir Sohail while comparing Fawad Alam and Asad Shafiq, he was calling Asad Shafiq as a youngster, while both are 24 years old. He was saying Fawad Alam played slow and hit only 3 fours in his 64 and called him a “nudger” whereas his strike rate is better than Shafiq. I know Asad Shafiq can hit the ball powerfully but, so can Fawad Alam. Fawad got very few chances to play up the order. And, whenever he got more overs he made a pretty decent score. His test century also came when he opened the innings. I have been saying that instead of Hafeez, Fawad Alam should be sent to open the innings with Akmal.

    It doesn’t look that Pakistan can defend this total of 241 especially with this bowling attack, unless some miracle happens.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 5:29 PM

    Saeed Ajmal is a good bowler but, he is a lousy fielder, he dives and the ball goes through his legs, he drops simple catches, never picks up cleanly, always fumbles and the irony is he has not improved his fielding at all. It is so important and so crucial to hold catches, I remember he dropped two simple catches in Australia fielding in the same position. His fielding reminds me of Rana Naveed, who used to dive at the boundary line only to see the ball crossing the ropes and then he used to look at the ground wondering if there is a tunnel through which the ball has crossed the line? And used to stare at the sun or the lights after dropping a sitter.

    Strauss has scored 50 and @ 84 for 3 England are comfortably placed.

  43. #43 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 5:43 PM

    After taking Strauss’s wicket Gul was firing on all 4 cylinders and Kamran Akmal dropped Yardy’s catch in the same over. I dunno how that will effect Gul’s psyche he suddenly started bowling well and a dropped catch demoralizes the bowler, Akmal is now acting hurt.


    Umar Gul continued his fireworks and got Yardy LBW in his next over for 4 so, not much damage done.

  44. #44 by khansahab on September 17, 2010 - 6:00 PM

    This man Mohammad Yousaf, he is not a good bowler and not a good batman, butta the only reason he is A KEEP in the team is bakaouz of his fielding.

  45. #45 by khansahab on September 17, 2010 - 6:13 PM

    K Akmal has already dropped 2 catches, his keeping was pathetic as he tried to stop that Gul wide.

    Is he going to single handedly lose another match for Pakastan?

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 6:27 PM

    Apparently Shahid Afridi’s bowling look expensive but its all due to poor fielding Ajmal, Akhtar and then Umar Akmal as keeper couldn’t simply stop the balls, besides the pitch is not favouring spin bowling. Is it very cold at the Oval? Pakistani fielders seems to be shivering. Ajmal missed a simple run out chance by fumbling. Easy 50 runs partnership between Morgan and Luke Wright. Things are slipping out of Pakistan’s hands.

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 7:01 PM

    Luke Wright was OUT stumped by Umar Akmal off the bowling of Ajmal and Billy Doctrove did not even bother to go to the 3rd umpire! Shahid Afridi kept pleading and pleading that why he is not going to the 3rd umpire? In his own case when Afridi was given run out, Stuart Broad mildly appealed for a run out and Doctrove set the bails, took his time and went to the 3rd umpire, Afridi thought he was not out but the replay confirmed he was out, therefore, he was very upset at Doctrove for not going to the 3rd umpire to refer for the stumping. His foot was clearly in the air and the bails were flying. This is bad umpiring.

    Asad Shafiq miss judged the ball at the boundary, instead of one run it became a boundary. Pakistan are definitely going to lose this match now. Pakistani fielders never looked good in the field and today they are looking stiff and tired.

  48. #48 by khansahab on September 17, 2010 - 7:22 PM

    Gul has turned the match around for Pakistan. Form is temporary but class is permanent. He is a team man, honest, no show off, he does his job and goes home.

    Akmal brothers, Shoaib Akhtar and Ajmal fielded pathetically. If Pakistan lose this match it will be because of them.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 7:44 PM

    Umar Gul performed miracles, otherwise it was not possible to win.

  50. #50 by M. Y. Kasim on September 17, 2010 - 9:04 PM

    I told my son that Pakistan will win this and the next match to keep the series “alive.”

    When something happens, Pakistan is blamed, but when the “Gora Sahebs” do something, it is called “diplomacy, strategy etc. etc.

    No more comments……….

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 9:38 PM

    On the spot fixing issue, technically and legally neither the SY nor the ICC can prove these players guilty because, there is not much evidence against them, this does not mean they are innocent. It is also possible the WOTN being the most notorious Tabloid has created a lot of sensationalism for their own publicity yet the evidence they have cannot implicate these players on technical grounds, that there is no date and time on the videos and neither the currency notes were marked and can be used against them. It is very likely that the charges against them will be dropped in the court of law. However, Pakistan or the PCB should ban Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif for life because they are not so naive and innocent. Like most people are demanding lenient punishment against Mohammed Aamer because of his age, he should be penalized financially and banned for at least six months with a warning that if ever he is implicated in such incidents he will join Asif and Butt.

  52. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 17, 2010 - 9:44 PM


    After the devastating floods in Pakistan, the northern part of Pakistan including Islamabad have been rocked by an earthquake measuring 6.3 on the Richter scale. The effects of floods have not been cleared yet and earthquake has hit Pakistan, no news yet on any casualties because there is no communication with the remote villages in the mountains of Gilgit and Baltistan.

  53. #53 by M. Y. Kasim on September 17, 2010 - 10:04 PM

    If you want to keep the series alive, who do you gift your wickets? Shoaib Akhtar? he is a brat, Abdul Razzak? no way, Saeed Ajmal? are you kidding? the only decent, nice, straight-forward and honest guy is a Pathan, like most Pathans, who will be wondering, what happened.

    Similarly, somebody killed Dr. Imran Farooq in London. You burn Rickshaws, Taxis and Mini-Buses in Karachi belonging to innocent Pathans, you deprive him not only his life-saving asset but his livelyhood.

    And those Pashtoon, the Radicalised and Talebanised are the ones whom The Holy Qur’aan refers as “ASTRAY.”

    While the so-called Tehrik-e-Taliban, Pakistan are the ones whom The Holy Qur’aan labelled as “MUNAFIQ” meaning Hypocrates, whose words and deeds are against Islam.

    This is my Conviction, my Belief and my Faith.

  54. #54 by khansahab on September 17, 2010 - 10:54 PM

    Kasim sahab

    In a developing society with undereducation, this is what happens when people of different ethnicities reside in large numbers.

    You can look at Karachi, a microcosm of Pakastan, with more concentration of Pathans than anywhere else in the world, and more Punjabis than Sindhis.

    In fact, it is striking that out of the main ethnicities, Sindhis are the least populated people in Karachi, even though Karachi is their capital city.

    Anyway, this reaction against Pathans by MQM is a very cowardly and unjustified act. It is very unlikely the assassin of Amran Farooq is a Pathan, because there are hardly any Pathans in the UK. Even if he is a Pathan, how does it matter? Most of Pathans in Karachi are just there to earn a livelihood and live a better life than what Pukhtoonkhwa offered them.

    However, it is worth mentioning what happened in Karachi when Benazir was killed. Not only were ethnic Urdu Speakers made to suffer, even Memons, Boris, Aga Khanis etc were killed. The PPP savages did not even spare Abdul Sattar Edhi’s staff, vans etc. Why? Because he is not son of the soil (i.e. a Muhajir) , although he is Pakastan’s biggest philanthropist. Edhi has the world’s biggest private ambulance network. This is the level of hatred ethnicities have against each other in Pakistan- not even someone like Edhi gets spared.

  55. #55 by Varun Suri on September 18, 2010 - 12:24 AM

    Just saw the videos. I must admit I was expecting something else from Upadhyaji but it was truly amazing to see the way he spoke for so long all the while portraying the true picture of Islam and I hope more and more people believe in his message and get rid of all the distrust between themselves and work towards a better future.

    It is even more noteworthy that such a message is coming out from someone from Sholapur which is quite near to the RSS Pentagon.

    More laterss…

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 1:58 AM


    Those videos, I have seen them long ago but, I did not post them on the blog until recently i.e., when I realized it might give you and newguy some insight about Islam as it was coming from an Indian Hindu, Police Commissioner of a city/state whatever and he spoke in layman’s language and expressed his views so strongly.

    You should also read my comment number 35 in which I have quoted the verses from Quran which must have clarified most of the doubts which most people have about Islam i.e., in the context of reward and punishment and about good deeds and bad deeds.

  57. #57 by khansahab on September 18, 2010 - 7:09 AM

    The Daily Telegraph, one of the most reputable newspapers in England, reports that there is evidence the 3rd ODI between England and Pakastan was fixed:


    There has been a strong suspicion that the Akmal brothers are involved. But, who else?

  58. #58 by salman on September 18, 2010 - 7:18 AM

    This is in response to JAK’s comment #48. This sort of umpiring is not knew. All umpires including the non-caucasian umpires belonging to WI, SL, India etc are much more nicer/ respectful/compliant when it comes to Eng & Aus. It appears to be some sort of post colonial hangover. Rudi Koertzen was the worst example. He was always laughing and smiling with the players from SA,Eng & Aus but was stern & headmasterly with the subcontinental teams. I was not at all happy when the Pakistani team carried him off on their shoulders after his last match.

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 2:43 PM


    You are right about the gora umpires but Billy Doctrove is from West Indies and during this series his umpiring in general is very poor. I agree about Rudi’s behaviour but, I was not aware that the Pakistani team carried him off on their shoulders after his last match. Maya be they considered carrying his funeral? 😀 Billy Bowden is generally very funny but, when it comes to dealing with Pakistani players he is rude like Rudi. The only umpire who is nice is, Simple Simon Taufel. Asad Rauf and Aleem Dar are snubbed by the Australian players very often and its a shame that no one takes any action against them.

    I think Harbhajan Singh is right when he rubs his shoulders with the Australian players and umpires.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 2:52 PM


    This is really a shame that the British Tabloids and now The Daily Telegraph are seeking cheap publicity to dent Pakistan’s reputation simply because there is an on going case of match fixing. Just read this comment below which I am copy pasting from Pakspin’s current thread Dead Tour Walking.

    Posted by: fred at September 17, 2010 2:46 PM

    “Did you see the Afridi runout in the third ODI? He was well home but took for ever to ground his bat, instead of dragging it over. Definitely looks like spot fixing. The ICC should definitely look into this. Lost all respect for Pakistan cricketers – greedy crooks. ”

    If this is the way matches are fixed then every match played by every team in the world is fixed. That idiot ‘fred’ should note that the ball ricochet from Afridi’s bat before hitting the stumps. So even that was planned and fixed? Ch2ye Murr Gaye, Aulaad Chorr Gaye wo bee saaray Goray.

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 4:46 PM

    Ijaz ButtDharmi is the PCB Chairman
    Ijaz JhakMarani is the Sports Minister
    Ijaz Ahmaqani is the fielding Coach

    What is wrong with ALL these Ijaz’s? They are all good for nothing blokes. The Minister is saying that “If we had made some harsh decisions in the past it would not have happened. If we had taken some harsh decisions young players would not dare to do something wrong.” Who stopped him?

    Ijaz Butt as usual is burping from his rear without making any sense, today he says something and the next day he contradicts his own statement and denies that he never said that.

    I have no idea what that fielding coach is doing? The fielding is pathetic as ever. Yousuf, Ajmal, Razzaq, in the current team are the worst fielders. Yesterday Abdul Razzaq proved his worth in the bowling and batting department but, that is a one time affair, rest of the time he is without his spinach and seems like he is dozing off while batting, like he always appears while he is fielding.

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 5:42 PM

    Dear Bloggers

    There is a new thread on the blog ‘IS ICC A PUPPET?’ This is in response to the latest rumour created by the British Tabloids that the 3rd ODI was also fixed and the ICC has suddenly asked for a full inquiry and investigation, which in our view is absolutely unnecessary and damaging for the Pakistani team who after winning this match will be bogged down once again in wondering what is going on? Please post your comments there. THANK YOU.

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