IS ICC A PUPPET ?

Lot of respect for Mr. Haroon Lorgat, but what is his role?

Lot of respect for Mr. Haroon Lorgat, but what is his role?

It is appalling to see that the ICC has become a puppet of the ECB, the British Tabloids and seems to have no spine or they have lost their own ability and judgment in taking any decision.  The spot fixing charges against the three players Asif, Aamer and Butt came as a surprise and a shock for the majority of the people the world over. So much so the Scotland Yard got involved in this case and reportedly they have filed the initial report and findings after their investigation to the ICC.

The ICC has already banned these three players from playing for Pakistan, which the PCB should have done instead of the ICC, in any case that is past and no need to cry over split milk. If Pakistan’s government has taken some serious interest in this matter because, the President of the country Asif Ali Zardari is the Patron in Chief of the cricket board, this situation may have been avoided by firing Ijaz Butt long ago when he failed to handle the terrorist attack on the Sri Lankan Team in March 2009. Unfortunately, the board is lingering on just like the administration of Asif Zardari.

Owing to this weakness every Tom, Dick and Harry is not only pointing fingers at the team but are trying to get a kick out of it. NOTW, the notorious British Tabloid succeeded in getting the world attention by publishing sensational news, photos and videos of some of the Pakistani players involved in match fixing. I am not saying that the identified Pakistani players are innocent but, the sensationalism is lacking technical evidence and it is very likely that in the court of law due to the lacking of technical and material evidence they may not be able to prove the players guilty.

This will jeopardize the ICC’s stance who were quick to suspend these players from playing, they will then be looking at the ECB and ACB for help and in that case what will Mr. Haroon Logart would be doing? Apologizing the PCB and compensating the players for the damage they have caused in bringing disrepute their career and how? Will the PCB be taking any legal action against the ICC?

Knowing Ijaz Butt and his capabilities he won’t be doing anything right. The oval test match decision was pending for years, Ijaz Butt went to Australia to attend the meeting and spoke from the wrong end and got the decision against Pakistan, it was a simple and straightforward case that would have gone Pakistan’s way but, thanks to Butt.

Gul over the Moon

Gul over the Moon

Yesterday, Pakistan won the 3rd ODI at Oval and it was difficult for them to win after scoring 241 runs but, thanks to Umar Gul for his magical spell, he took career best 6 for 42 and in the end Pakistan won the match convincingly by 23 runs in the 45th over.  From the beginning everyone was saying that due to poor bowling Pakistan will not win this match especially after scoring only 241 runs because, they lost the previous match even after scoring 294 runs. But, it was like a miracle for Pakistan that Umar Gul bowled exceedingly well, even Shoaib Akhtar and Abdul Razzaq bowled well.  Akhtar bowled well in the 2nd ODI also but, he was unlucky not to get a wicket.

Now, what makes the ICC so sure that this match was fixed? Just because the Tabloid Sun and The Daily Telegraph reported: ” The International Cricket Council has been handed evidence which suggests that bookmakers were given detailed information on how sections of the Pakistan innings might proceed, with two particular overs coming under suspicion.”

This is ridiculous, anyone can predict that this will happen, we predicted that Pakistan will lose the match unless some miracle happens. Sometimes while watching the game we say, now he is going to get out and it happens, or we say now he is going to hit a six or a four and it happens. Does it mean there is a so called F’***ing PATTERN?

The ICC should not have taken this into consideration, simply because Pakistan’s chips are down they are taking this stupid claim so seriously that they want to investigate this matter fully, so that Pakistan who have just won a match and could go on and win the series, their players would again be grilled, demoralized and lose focus from the game and get bogged down and lose the match? If this is the intention of the British people and their lousy media, Pakistan should cancel this tour RIGHT NOW and go back to Pakistan. At least there will be some honour and prestige regained and they will be back home on a winning note.

I have a lot of respect for Mr. Haroon Logart he seems to be a decent person but, what is his role? Is he a cog in the wheel or a sheep that is heading towards a pit hole? This is really disgusting to see the British Tabloids acting like a wolf. All said and done if Pakistan and its players come out clean from this scandal they must sue these Tabloids as well as the ICC for bringing disrepute to the team and the nation.

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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 5:46 PM

    One of the points that I have missed in the thread is WADA‘s role in hammering a nail on the coffin. Was it necessary for them to ask for a dope test from Mohammed Yousuf, Kamran Akmal, Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Akhtar?

    Why not Stuart Broad, Eoin Morgan, Andrew Strauss and Jimmy Anderson?

    This is nepotism.

    Whether it is nepotism by the ICC, WADA, ECB or the PCB we raise our voice. Therefore, those who think that we talk only about the PCB or the Selection Committee’s regional bias should take note of this.

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 8:25 PM

    LATEST NEWS
    http://www.ecb.co.uk/ecb/about-ecb/media-releases/ecb-seeks-icc-assurances,312090,EN.html

    ECB chairman writes to ICC president

    18 September 2010

    Following a board meeting, held at noon today, the chairman of the ECB has written to the president of the ICC seeking assurances that the ICC does not have evidence which could result in either charges or suspension of players prior to the conclusion of the current NatWest Series.

    No substantive evidence has been shared with the ECB or PCB at this stage.

    The ECB board noted the ICC is not stating as fact that anything untoward has occurred, nor has yet been proven in relation to the third NatWest Series one-day international between England and Pakistan.

    The ECB has received confirmation that no England players nor member of management are involved in any allegation linked with ACSU activities.

    The ECB board reiterated its policy of zero tolerance and strongly supported a full investigation into such allegations.

    Until the ICC substantiate that any allegations are correct no further action can be taken.

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 8:35 PM

    I think the Daily Telegraph should write about the England players involvement rather than Pakistan’s because, England is the one who lost this match unexpectedly. “May Be” they have thrown away their wickets after fixing this match with the bookies. Especially the way, Strauss, Davies, Trott, Broad, Bresnan and Anderson all got clean bowled, so is it not possible they threw their wickets away?

    This is the reason why the ECB Chairman promptly wrote a letter to the ICC to clear the names of the British players. Well, if the British Tabloids can create rumours about Pakistani team then on one can stop spreading rumours against the English team. May be they thought, the focus is on Pakistan team so no one will notice if they fix a match and make some quick money? Isn’t it possible? 😀 After all they are not ANGELS. Stuart Broad can tamper the ball using his spikes and play innocent and get off the hook. That Baby Face is not so innocent after all.

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 18, 2010 - 8:40 PM

    What was IRFAN PATHAN doing for the last 4 years? He is now saying that someone came to his room in the hotel in Pakistan during the 2006 tour and gave him expensive gift (may be Hair Gel?) Sala UKP he is now talking about this after 4 years. Perhaps, he wants to be in the news whichever way? Since no one remembers him as a cricket player neither him nor, his bro My name is Yousuf Pathan and my nick name is Ullu ka Path-aan.

  5. #5 by salman on September 18, 2010 - 9:56 PM

    1)It is true that PCB, and not ICC, should have suspended the players. As per Haroon Lorgat’s interview I saw on TV, he had a meeting with Mr Butt who assured him that the tainted players would not be playing in the remainder of the series. Reading between the lines, it appears that the ICC (Lorgat) was agreeable even if PCB did not officially suspend the players but make up an excuse for not playing them (which they eventually did i.e. “mental torture”). Next day Lorgat discovered that, contrary to the discussion, Mr Butt has made statements that all 3 players will continue with the series and that is when the ICC got into the action.

    2)The philosophy of innocent until proven otherwise is a good one, in that it is better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent being punished. But it also means that it becomes exceptionally difficult to get the guilty players to charge. In the past numerous players have gone scot-free because there was no solid evidence. Usually it is one person’s word against the other and that too many years after the alleged episode. Players have gotten used to the relative immunity and the greedy ones will continue.

    3)If the video by NOTW was taken before the concerned test match, then the evidence, though circumstantial, against the 3 players is pretty solid. However, in all likelihood Scotland Yard would not be able to label criminal charges because there was no betting on those 3 no-balls and therefore conspiracy to defraud bookmakers charge will fall flat. What will happen then, should ICC & PCB allow them to play? How about the evidence of a bookmaker’s influence on the team’s playing pattern, because eventually that is the best they can prove as far as this particular episode is concerned.

    4)Mr Butt is in India meeting his “dear old friend” Mr Pawar. Why? Obviously because he is ICC’s president and therefore holds the power to sway things Pakistan’s way. Additionally, both of them belong to a somewhat similar background and therefore “understand” that even “good” men can do bad things such as making a little bit of dough on the side. This sort of understanding is unique to the subcontinental culture. Something which their other counterparts in ICC do not understand.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 19, 2010 - 2:33 PM

    Whatever we have written in this thread, most people in Pakistan and all over the world who support Pakistan team are sharing the same views, here is what Captain Afridi said and so also a few officials in Pakistan.

    Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi told a private sports channel that he was surprised by the reports.

    “I just get this feeling there is an attempt to bring the team under pressure.” Afridi said.

    “If anyone has any evidence that there was anything wrong in the match it should be presented first before allegations are made. It adds to the pressure on the players.”

    Iqbal Mohammad, chairman of the National Assembly standing committee on sports, asked why the ICC had not reacted once it had prior information that there would be spot-fixing. “I get this feeling now there is a definite conspiracy to damage and isolate Pakistan cricket,” he told Reuters. “Without anything being proven first I don’t understand what prompted the ICC to issue a press release.”

    Pakistan Sports Minister Aijaz Jakhrani said the government would not take action unless there was clear evidence against a player. “The ICC has the power and an anti-corruption unit and they should go ahead and use that,” Jakhrani told the Indian news channel CNN-IBN. “If they get any proof then we will definitely look into it.” -Reuters

  7. #7 by khansahab on September 19, 2010 - 2:39 PM

    “Conspiracy to defraud Pakistan Cricket” Ijaz Butt

    A day after the ICC launched a formal investigation into Pakistan’s win in the third ODI at The Oval, Ijaz Butt has hit back at what he believes to be a “conspiracy to defraud Pakistan and Pakistan cricket”. In an astonishing, prepared statement read out to ESPNcricinfo, the board chairman also indicated that suspicion should be cast on England players from that loss and that the PCB will soon reveal the names of those parties involved in the conspiracy.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 19, 2010 - 2:52 PM

    Salman

    I agree with all your 4 points, but let us put the past behind, I mean what Justice Qayyum did or didn’t. The ICC has crossed its borders and punished Asif, Aamer and Butt whereas, it was the job of the PCB and that case is pending investigation. It doesn’t seem like these three players are innocent because of the way they appear so pally with the bookie (Mazhar Majeed) but, in the legal court of law, I doubt they will be penalized because, no crime has been committed and there is no concrete evidence against them. Yet the PCB must punish them for bringing disrepute to the team and the nation.

    This new allegation after Pakistan winning the 3rd ODI seems to be baseless, it is akin to the Sialkot killings of the two boys by the public that without making any investigation they were brutalized, the only difference here is those boys were physically brutalized and these players are being mentally brutalized and the objective is Pakistan must lose the series. The ICC is behaving like the Pakistani police i.e., at a time when they are supposed to stop the crime they turn their face away and show their Butts. And, when there is a public outcry they catch any innocent guy and start beating him. This kinda policy or the role that the ICC has adapted must come to an end. They should also stop their nepotism and favourtism policy. No one is so blind as the ICC assumes, I am referring to the Stuart Broad case where he tampered the ball with his spikes and got away with that.

    It may be a small thing for the ICC or those officials officiating that match in South Africa, but it was as bad as Shahid Afridi biting the ball. The only difference is he bit the ball and Broad spiked it with his shoes, the intention was same. Just because he is a GORA he got away with that. Secondly, ball biting incident is not new, Manoj Prabhakar from India was first caught on by the TV camera in 1991 while playing in New Zealand at a test match, he not only chew the ball, but he pulled out the leather with his teeth and spat it out. That video was on the youtube for a long time and 3 weeks after Afridi’s incident its been removed. If you don’t see that anymore it means NO crime was committed. Besides, no one ever said anything officially let alone punishing Prabhakar. Because, that is the policy, “lets put the past behind us.” So, apply the same rules in case of Pakistan, and why not?

    Ps.

    Thats my sarcasm, and what I want is something different, I want the culprits to be punished but, by the right authorities and in the right manner. If your child does something wrong you punish him, you don’t let your neighbour or your child’s principal to come and slap him. And, this applies to ALL teams and not just Pakistan. Did the ECB punish Broad? Nasser Hussain said, if it was a Pakistani player this would have been sensationalized.

  9. #9 by khansahab on September 19, 2010 - 6:39 PM

    Pak pacer Tanvir hopeful of making a comeback to national squad

    Pakistan’s left-arm pacer Sohail Tanvir, who was sidelined for last ten months due to a knee injury, has said he is hopeful of making a comeback to the national squad in Pakistan’s home series against South Africa in October and November.

    “I am feeling good, the knee is holding up well and I am bowling in rhythm so I am hopeful for a comeback to competitive cricket soon,” The Nation quoted Tanvir, as saying.

    “It is never easy to come back after being out of the game for 10 months,” said Tanvir, who had a knee operation abroad last year, to save his cricket career.

    He informed he would be playing in the National Twenty20 Championship next month for hometown Rawalpindi, in order to prove his fitness to the selectors.

    “That will be my comeback tournament and I am glad I have got another chance to resume my international career,” he added.

    Commenting on the spot-fixing controversy, Tanvir said that from a cricket point of view, the absence of Mohammad Aamir and Mohammad Asif in the team had definitely reduced the options for Pakistan in any form of the game.

  10. #10 by khansahab on September 19, 2010 - 6:41 PM

    Why the third Pakistan-England ODI was not fixed

    Sachal Afraz

    I believed the original charges against our spot-fixing trio, but the fresh accusations about the third ODI are, in the words of Shahid Khan Afridi, “Absolute rubbish”.
    I bought into the original accusations because of the little things: the size of the no-ball; the picture in which Butt was watching Aamir after delivery; the way he was stuttering during the press conference; the way he failed to plead innocent, and most of all Aamir’s slumped shoulders the next day.
    This time around, the little things point the other way. I watched the entire match, and I saw the tension on Afridi’s face. I saw it replaced by relief and joy when the match was won. I saw Razzaq’s nerves-of-steel terminator look morph into boyish delight after taking the last wicket. I saw the passion in Gul’s awkward celebrations and the sincerity in his eyes as he looked up at the sky. I heard Shoaib’s laboured grunts and groans in the last over.
    All this was not an act. It was a genuine effort, and a genuine win. Anyone who has seen the awkward cellular or ‘Jabardaaast’ Shampoo ads, knows that our players are no where CLOSE to being such good actors.
    Now let’s look at more empirical factors. First of all, Haroon Logart should really make public what the ‘prior information’ was that turned out to be so true and has him so convinced. What point is there in concealing any longer?
    In any case, the first rumoured accusation is the slow scoring rate in the early half of Pakistan’s innings. Our openers did not stick around for long enough to control the innings, and the freak way in which Kamran got out, well if he did that on purpose, the man’s a magician.
    The majority of scoring was done by Asad and Fawad. Now Asad’s being in this game is a surprise, his debut was a result of the spot-fixing crackdown and resulting suspensions. This negates any theories that the betting mafia had the players in for the deal long before the tour and were proving difficult to get rid off.
    As for more recent fixes, well, confidence in Asad’s ability to score-at any rate whatsoever- is something he himself would be short on. I doubt any bookie would place large amounts of money on his skill.
    This brings us to the last possible prediction: That the run rate will be around three when Fawad is at the crease. Well you don’t need Nostradamus to predict that. I could write it in a report and it would prove true every match.
    Lastly, ECB has been given confirmation that England players and management are in the clear. I normally hate the Pakistani knee-jerk defence of “They are out to get us”, but this is just ridiculous. How can the English players be cleared before the investigation is complete?
    England had the match for majority of the time, and rates would have been well in their favor before the collapse. The way their batting order folded caught the attention of even our beloved Ijaz Butt. If that doesn’t raise an eyebrow nothing will.
    Investigating a match for fixing, in which the losing side is exempt of suspicion is simply ridiculous.

  11. #11 by khansahab on September 19, 2010 - 8:55 PM

    Pakistan chairman accuses English players of throwing third ODI

    The Pakistan Cricket Board chairman, Ijaz Butt, has accused English players of throwing the third one-day international last Friday. In a television interview, Butt said: “There is loud and clear talk in the bookies circle that some English players were paid enormous amounts of money to lose the match. No wonder there was a total collapse of the English side.” Relations between the two teams, who will play the fourth one-day international at Lord’s tomorrow, were already strained. They will now be at their nadir.

    The International Cricket Council confirmed yesterday that no England players were under investigation. The ICC has launched an inquiry into the match, which Pakistan won by 23 runs after England lost five wickets for 17 runs, because it received a tip-off from The Sun newspaper that run rates during certain parts of the Pakistan innings broadly corresponded to predictions made by bookmakers.

    Butt said: “This is not a conspiracy to defraud bookmakers, it is a conspiracy to defraud Pakistan and Pakistan cricket.

    “We have taken it in hand to start our own investigations. We will shortly reveal the names of the people, the parties and the bodies involved in this sinister conspiracy and we also reserve the right to sue them for damages. We won the match and we are under suspicion. England lost, their players should be investigated. You don’t lose a match if you are doing fixing. We have co-operated so far with all this investigation but after the third ODI we get this feeling it is not a conspiracy to defraud bookies but to defraud Pakistan cricket.”

    When asked if he had any proof of the allegations regarding English players, Butt said: “Did you ask the other people who made allegations against our players whether they had proof? What did they say? We have thought about this properly and we have positive proofs here before us just like they say they have also.”

    He also complained that he felt “the media in certain countries is biased and not fair” and in a clear attack on the ICC he added that the PCB “feel august cricket bodies are also involved in this conspiracy, which will damage the great game of cricket.”

    The PCB had already made it clear they were unhappy with the way the ICC had handled the accusations made about the match, complaining that “it only came to know through the media that investigations would be conducted by the ICC” and “condemning the “sensationalizing of these allegations.”

    The England and Wales Cricket Board last night was considering whether to comment on Butt’s claims.

  12. #12 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 19, 2010 - 9:01 PM

    khansahab

    In response to your comment number 10 which you have quoted from some Sachal Afraz, please read my comment number 3 here which I have jokingly commented on English team that they should be the suspects because, they lost the match and I made the point which he is endorsing my views in a more serious and more detailed way way. I am not saying he may have read my comments but, like he said you don’t have to be Nostradamus to predict or I would say you don’t have to be Einstein to understand.

    Also, my comment number 2, which is a news item that I copy pasted from some English Daily newspaper wherein the ECB chairman has unanimously and before the completion of the investigation has cleared ALL the English players from any kind of involvement with the bookies. I wrote in my comment number 3 that “may be” they thought lets do it while all the focus and attention is on Pakistan team and we make some money?

    This is not a new thing, during the 1981 Ashes at Headingley between Dennis Lillee and Rodney Marsh they made 7500 pounds from betting against their own team! THEIR OWN TEAM ?????? here is the detail:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Lillee#Betting

    ” At Headingley on the 1981 tour of England, Australia was in such a strong position at one stage of the third Test that bookmakers at the ground were offering odds of 500–1 on an England victory. These odds were flashed on the scoreboard during a break in the game and noticed by the Australian players. Lillee and Rod Marsh believed that the odds were so ludicrous that, via a third party, they each put a small wager on the outcome, later describing their actions as a “joke”. Between them, they collected 7,500 pounds when England pulled off a comeback victory.[14] Both men openly discussed the incident and received no official censure or sanction, although some criticised their actions.[15] There has never been a suggestion that the bets compromised their efforts in the game. However, the issue has been re-examined in modern times following the match-fixing scandals that have plagued international cricket since the mid-1990s.”

  13. #13 by Nostradamus on September 20, 2010 - 1:48 PM

    Javed Khan,

    The ICC is investigating spot-fixing allegations, so the winning or losing team is not the question. Kamran Akmal, Umar Akmal, and the like may be involved. The above provides fodder for Butt, who would politically turn this as a conspiracy theory against Pakistan inside Pakistan. The board seems to be also involved in the spot-fixing allegations, otherwise it wouldn’t be the case that Butt would make such nonsensical remarks.

  14. #14 by Nostradamus on September 20, 2010 - 1:52 PM

    Also, obviously the board made such remarks tactically. I think it expected ECB to cancel the tour immediately by making such provocative statements:

    1) Which would bring all the players back home and afterwards turn Scotland Yard’s investigations redundant as the PCB would claim it is a conspiracy against Pakistan
    2) Immediately build the idea of conspiracy theory against Pakistan inside Pakistan

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 3:57 PM

    Nostradamus

    What makes you so sure to pin point Kamran Akmal and Umar Akmal getting involved in match fixing? Just because you are Nostradamus? 😀 Or, may be you are studying Occultism @ the University of Columbia? Anyways, when the first allegations were made against Pakistani players that the test match was fixed there were some scintillating revelations which we never saw before, cash, bookies, photographs, videos, predicted no balls etc., and we all were made to believe that this is true.

    Hence, on this blog we wrote a new thread on that subject condemning the culprits and asked for severe punishment. We are still not changing our stance that Asif, Aamer and Butt are involved in it. It is possible that Asif and Butt may have dragged Aamer in this mess and being young he got carried away and almost ruined his career, we still don’t know what the outcome of this investigation may be? But, we want Asif and Butt to be banned for life for bringing disrepute to the team and the nation.

    This particular thread is more of a protest from our side because, we believe that the second allegation that the 3rd ODI was also fixed is rubbish. First of all the Pakistani players wouldn’t dare to do any such thing at this time while there is an investigation going on and they would never dare to hatch another plot and fix the match. It is impossible, because they simply don’t have the 3alls or the guts to do this at this stage. Besides there are a few very honest players in this team and from their body language it was very obvious that they desperately wanted to win and they won. The main reason they want to win this series is because, when they go back home they want to prove to the nation that despite such emotional stress they played well and won the series. At this time this is more important for them than any other thing.

  16. #16 by newguy on September 20, 2010 - 4:22 PM

    Javed Khan,

    The 3rd ODI allegation sounds like a cheap stunt to boost sales by British tabloid Sun. OK, fine, that is their business model, and there are many publications like that. But, what about Ejaz Butt, is he at the same level as tabloids or even lower. He is proving each day that he can go one more step lower than everyone thought he could and take Pakistan cricket one more level deep into it’s doom than everyone thought is humanly possible.

    Oaman Samiuddun wrote a very good article on Cricinfo about this and I totally agree with Osman’s conclusions. Ejaz Butt is playing to the gallery of folks back in Pakistan who believe in conspiracy theories against Pakistan from ICC, ECB, BCCI, so on. This will further enable him to cling on. But this fool has destroyed Pakistan’s chance of playing on a neutral ground again, and he has destroyed ability to play international cricket in Pakistan when the Sri Lankan team wasn’t given enough security cover.

    May be the only way out for Pakistan cricket is to let Ejaz Butt take it all the way down to getting no cricket at all, and then he will be job less and forced out. Who knows, may be even it could go even lower at the rate this guy is showing stupidity.

  17. #17 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 4:24 PM

    newguy

    I agree with you fully.

  18. #18 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 4:27 PM

    Mike Atherton has called Ijaz Butt, “a clown”.

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 4:35 PM

    Malcolm Speed called him “a Buffoon”

    I call him “ButtHaram” on the lines of “HuddHaram” which means Nikammah, Kaam Chor, useless.

  20. #20 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 4:37 PM

    Why the **** is Akhtar bowling at their pads?

    He is leaking runs.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 4:39 PM

    Shoaib Akhtar’s bowling at the moment is pathetic he is giving away runs on a silver platter at an average of 10 per over 3/30. Its too bad that he cannot bowl a good line and length. At this rate England can win the match in 40 overs.

  22. #22 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 4:39 PM

    This shows to you the importance of accuracy. Most of the balls Akhtar has bowled have been over 90mph, but mostly he has bowled at the pads of the batsmen, which is why he has gone for 10 runs an over.

    He has undone the good work done by Razzaq.

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 4:49 PM

    Unlucky Umar Gul and lucky Strauss, and for once Kamran Akmal took a very good catch above his head with an acrobatic dive only to see it was a line no ball. It seems like Pakistan always struggles against left hand batsmen, it was only Aamer who used to trouble them.

  24. #24 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 4:59 PM

    Why can’t Pakistan produce a bowler who is adept at ONE of these things:

    1) pace with line

    2) swing

    3) pace with good bounce

    It does not matter what I say, Akhtar’s 3 overs may well have lost the match for Pakistan.

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 5:05 PM

    The match is already out of Pakistan’s reach because they are scoring at a run rate of 7.5 per over and have scored 76 runs for no loss.

  26. #26 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 5:10 PM

    This man Kamran, he is not a good bowler and not a good batman, butta the only reason he is A KEEP in the team is bakaouz of his keeping.

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 5:10 PM

    This is bloody poor umpiring. Strauss was plumb off the bowling of Hafeez and the umpire KETTLE BOROUGH said no. Shucksssssssssss

    Ps

    2nd over of Hafeez, this time it was Steve Davis who was plumb, the ball hit is pad first and then the ball, but KETTLE BHAROO aur choolay par charhao said NO again.

  28. #28 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 5:20 PM

    This MF Shoaib Akhtar is too fat to play int’l cricket.

    Did you see him field and throw the ball back to the bowler?

    It was miles away from the stumps. That could have been a run out.

    He should not play international cricket.

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 5:22 PM

    khansahab

    they are all bowling at their pads, dunno whats wrong with them? If the spinners are able to contain the batsmen, they have 30 0vers between them, Hafiz, Ajmal and Afridi. But, the crucial thing is wickets! They aren’t getting any.

  30. #30 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 5:25 PM

    Why is Shoaib Akhtar in the team? He is the fattest fast bowler playing cricket!

    He is a pathetic fielder. Bowling wise he is well past his prime.

    Wahab Riaz can do better than him.

  31. #31 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 5:29 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Hopefully this is a lesson for PCB not to include unfit players, and poor fielders.

    The main difference in my opinion between the two sides has been fielding.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 5:37 PM

    Finally Ajmal got Davis

    khansahab

    PCB and learning from lessons? LOL

  33. #33 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 5:38 PM

    Once the spinners came the run rate dropped significantly.

    Now Davies lost concentration, playing a loose shot and got out bowled.

    Afridi should have utilised spinners earlier. And he needs to keep more players in the circle.

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 5:43 PM

    khansahab

    spinners usually come in after the 15th over but here we saw they came early the point is, Akhtar gave away so many runs that the run rate is good and even if the spinners contain and wickets don’t fall, its of no use because with wickets in hand they can accelerate later.

  35. #35 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 5:50 PM

    Pakistan’s bowling has been below par. Afridi is bowling too full.

    That LBW appeal he got against Trott, that was a good length. He bowled one to Strauss which spun profusely, that was also good length.

    Every full length ball he has bowled has gone for runs.

  36. #36 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 5:57 PM

    Trott was under pressure and good work by Afridi to get rid of him.

    Akhtar also did not give him any width.

    Can this turn things around for Pakistan? Pressure on England and now Afridi MUST call most of the fielders in.

  37. #37 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 6:03 PM

    Akhtar bowls a loosener which Strauss plays into the hands of Fawad.

    Momentum is with Pakistan.

    And so perhaps is luck.

  38. #38 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 6:20 PM

    Once again Ramiz Raja said, “Gul and Afridi speak Pushto”?

    Has anyone ever said the everyday language of the Pakistan team is Punjabi?

    What is the need for making such comments?

    Ramiz was all praise for Razzaq when Razzaq was hitting fours, but he did not say anything about Afridi.

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 6:24 PM

    khansahab

    He also criticized Fawad Alam for playing slow but he said, Umar Akmal played reasonably well. WTF is reasonably well? His strike rate is less than Alam’s. Ramiz is a real soovar.

    Ps

    Talking of soovar, pig is the only animal which cannot lift its neck and look at the sky, its a fact.

  40. #40 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 6:34 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Ramiz loves Umar Akmal, Ramiz will do anything for him.

    Umar Akmal has been pathetic this series, Fawad has appeared the better batsman.

    Currently Fawad is the 2nd best Pakistani batsman of this series in terms of, runs scored.

  41. #41 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 6:40 PM

    Razzaq will go for runs, he is capable of picking a wicket but it would be folly to expect him to contain the batsmen.

    With his medium pace he is always a liability.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 6:40 PM

    The spinners have done well, but right now the reason they are not bowling is because the ball is reversing and after the 34th over the ball will be changed so they want to avail this opportunity and get wickets, Gul got rid of Collingwood but, they must get Bell and Morgan to ensure the rest are bogged down by the spinners.

  43. #43 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 7:14 PM

    Akhtar got Yardy and all eyes are on Morgan, had Afridi held that catch the match would have been over by now. Anyways, there is still some hope for them despite Ajmal giving away 12 runs in the 41st over. Now, Akhtar will bowl with his fat tail up. 😀

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 7:18 PM

    Ch2So4 Akhtar, his last ball he bowled a bouncer a wide and four runs, ten runs from the over, he is already suffering from a side strain and that is it, he is finished.

  45. #45 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 7:29 PM

    Yousuf takes a diving catch and you know Pakistan will win.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 7:36 PM

    khansahab

    dont be sure, they need to bowl really well in the next 6 overs. Swan and Broad have scored many runs in the past, Pakistan should not slack or become complacent, if they bowl a few lose balls then the momentum will shift, earlier the gap was of 24 runs between the balls and runs and now it is 10 runs

  47. #47 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 7:39 PM

    Gul got Swann
    Now there is a chance because Anderson is the weak link.

    If Gul takes the 4th wicket then he is definitely the MoM.

  48. #48 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 7:39 PM

    Gul again being instrumental.

    Who will me Man of the Match? Gul? Hafeez? Afridi, for his overall performance?

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 7:46 PM

    England has given up hope, Broad is only defending and not trying to score, btw, Khansahab it is Razzaq whose batting made the difference here.

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 7:48 PM

    Gul got the final wicket.

    THIS MATCH WAS FIXED. 😀

  51. #51 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 7:56 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Razzaq’s batting made the difference, which is why he might get the MOM award. But, he was their worst bowler by a mile which is why I am slightly doubtful.

  52. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 8:06 PM

    That’s it khansahab, it was Abdul Razzaq’s 44 in 20 balls that made the difference otherwise, the team would have been struggling. The Rose Bowl match would be a cracker because now the series is level. And, I want Pakistan to win this series for many reasons. Good luck to them.

  53. #53 by M. Y. Kasim on September 20, 2010 - 8:09 PM

    NO COMMENTS.

  54. #54 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 20, 2010 - 8:14 PM

    Kasim sahab

    array bhai koooooch tou bolo 😀

  55. #55 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 10:21 PM

    Never accused England team of fixing: Butt

    A day after suggesting that English players had thrown the Oval ODI match, PCB chairman Ijaz Butt on Monday did a U-turn and said he never accused the England team of match-fixing.

    Butt said he was just referring to the information received from bookies relating to the one-dayer between England and Pakistan at the Oval on Friday.

    I have never said this. If you listen to the full tape of the NDTV interview, the bookies are saying this. I am not saying this,” Butt told BBC Radio Five Live.

    The Pakistan Cricket Board chief said the five-match ODI series should continue despite all the latest controversy which erupted after England lost their third ODI in Oval.

    “If they (the England and Wales Cricket Board) want to scrap it they can scrap it, we will go ahead with it,” Butt said.

    The remaining two one-day matches are scheduled to be held at Lord’s today and Southampton on Wednesday.

    Butt stirred the hornet’s nest on Monday when he pointed his finger towards the English cricketers for their role in the batting collapse that cost England the ODI at The Oval.

    “There is loud and clear talk in the bookies circle that some English players were paid enormous amounts of money to lose the match,” he had said.

    “No wonder there was a total collapse of the English side. We won the match and we are under suspicion. England lost, their players should be investigated,” he said.

    Butt was unhappy with the latest fixing allegations against his team after the ICC launched a fresh investigation into claims by the ‘Sun’ newspaper that said bookmakers knew the details of Pakistan’s innings during Friday’s match which the visitors won by 23 runs.

    The ICC later said it was investigating the match as it had been provided creditable information by the newspaper that there was spot-fixing involved in the game.

    Butt remarks have not gone down well with the English cricketers and an infuriated England skipper Andrew Strauss today threatened Butt with legal action.

    “We would like to express our surprise, dismay and outrage at the comments made by Mr Butt yesterday,” Strauss said in a statement.

    “We are deeply concerned and disappointed that our integrity as cricketers has been brought into question. We refute these allegations completely and will be working closely with the ECB to explore all legal options open to us.

    “Under the circumstances, we have strong misgivings about continuing to play the last two games of the current series and urge the Pakistani team and management to distance themselves from Mr Butt’s allegations.

    “We do, however, recognise our responsibilities to the game of cricket, and in particular to the cricket-loving public in this country, and will therefore endeavour to fulfil these fixtures to the best of our ability,” Strauss’ statement added, which was made public shortly before the toss in the fourth One-Day International at Lord’s.

  56. #56 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 10:23 PM

    Cricket community in Pakistan criticizes Butt

    Karachi: Embattled PCB chairman Ijaz Butt has come under fierce criticism from former Pakistan players and administrators for accusing the English players of throwing the third one-dayer at the Oval last Friday.
    “I’m surprised by what the PCB chief has said because he has just taken a step to spoil relations with the only board which was supporting us strongly at a time when others are not willing to tour Pakistan for security reasons,” said former Test opener and national coach Mudassar Nazar said.

    “I don’t think this was the right time to come out with such a strong statement as it was the ECB which has helped us in organising our home series,” Nazar said.
    Butt stirred the hornet’s nest on Sunday when he pointed his finger towards the English cricketers for their role in the batting collapse that cost England the third ODI.
    “There is loud and clear talk in the bookies circle that some English players were paid enormous amounts of money to lose the match,” Butt had said to BBC Radio Five Live.
    Former captain Aamir Sohail said there was no need for Butt to start another controversy.
    “The same thing could have been said in a more diplomatic manner even if he had any information about English players,” Sohail said.
    “It would suffice to say that the failure of England to take the power play overs while batting in the third ODI had raised few eyebrows,” Sohail added.
    Zaheer Abbas, another former skipper, felt that it was time Pakistan took a strong stance on the spot-fixing allegations.
    “Right now all these are allegations but it is sad to see the way the ICC, other boards and the media is running down our cricket and players,” Abbas said.
    “I felt the PCB should have adopted a more respectable and pro-active stance from the start of this controversy,” he said.
    Former top officials of the board including Arif Abbasi, Shaharyar Khan and Khalid Mehmood also criticised Butt. “The remarks by Butt are ridiculous and you don’t expect such comments from a board Chairman. It is not going to help Pakistan cricket at all,” Mehmood said.
    “The statement would further isolate Pakistan cricket in the international community,” he said.
    Former PCB chief Shaharyar Khan said if Butt had any information about involvement of English players in fixing he should have shared it with the ICC and Scotland Yard instead of going public with it.
    “We are going to achieve nothing by making such statements. I think the PCB needs to rethink its strategy on this spot-fixing issue,” Khan said.

  57. #57 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 10:27 PM

    Cricket: Ban cancerous Pakistan says Botham

    England great Sir Ian Botham has called for Pakistan to be banned from international cricket following comments by Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ijaz Butt.

    Butt has claimed there is a conspiracy against the Pakistan team after their tour of England has been dominated by match-fixing claims and the suspensions of Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir.

    The PCB chairman has turned the tables on the hosts and accused England of match-fixing, following their third ODI loss to Pakistan.

    The latest comments by Butt were too much for Botham who has labelled the Pakistan situation as ‘cancerous’.

    I’d like to know how Ijaz Butt knows what the bookmakers are doing,” Botham told Sky Sports News. “Maybe he should tell us something.

    “I think it’s appalling. I think the whole thing’s appalling, I think it’s farcical and this has gone on for too long now. It needs to be stamped out.

    “If you have a cancerous problem you go to the root of it. Get to the root of it, even if it means giving guys an amnesty and saying: ‘Come clean, tell us what happened then we’ll move on’.

    Botham is adamant Pakistan should be banned from cricket until the match-fixing investigations are concluded.

    “In my opinion, yes, simple as that,” Botham said when asked by Sky News if Pakistan should be banned.

    “We keep on sweeping things under the carpet and say ‘oh well, it’s unfortunate circumstances’. Enough is enough.

    The public pay their money to come and watch the game. What do they do when a catch goes down or somebody bowls a no ball? What are they thinking?

    “Enough’s enough.”

  58. #58 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 10:29 PM

    Trott-Riaz row ‘closed matter’ says ECB chief

    LONDON: England batsman Jonathan Trott’s pre-match altercation with Pakistan’s Wahab Riaz ahead of the fourth one-day international here at Lord’s on Monday was now a “closed matter” according to England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) chief executive David Collier.

    South Africa-born Trott and Pakistan’s Riaz, not in the team on Monday, squared up to one another in the nets at Lord’s.

    Their confrontation was the latest visible sign of the tension that has built up during a season where Pakistan’s tour of Britain has been overshadowed by allegations of ‘spot-fixing’.

    Trott, later out for just four, and Riaz clashed just a day after Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt stoked the row by suggesting England players had received “enormous sums of money” to lose deliberately last week’s third ODI across London at The Oval.

    “There was an altercation,” Collier said. “It was fairly minor in nature. It was regrettable, but it happened.”

    Collier was glad match referee Jeff Crowe, the former New Zealand captain, was on hand to calm rising tempers.

    “We are very fortunate that we have the experience of a neutral man in Jeff Crowe here, who dealt with it immediately,” added Collier. “It is a closed matter.

    “I think feelings have been high in the last 24 hours. We don’t hide behind that, though. We admit feelings were strong, so that is bound to spill over.”

    Earlier, a statement issued by England captain Andrew Strauss spoke of his side’s “surprise, dismay and outrage” at the comments made by Butt on Sunday, adding the team would be exploring “all legal options open to us”.

    Nevertheless, Strauss said England had decided to play Monday’s match and Wednesday’s fifth and final one-day international at Hampshire’s Rose Bowl ground because “we do, however, recognise our responsibilities to the game of cricket, and in particular to the cricket-loving public in this country”.

    Pakistan have had to confront allegations of spot-fixing ever since Test captain Salman Butt and bowlers Mohammad Aamer and Mohammad Asif were named in a newspaper report and subsequently suspended by the International Cricket Council (ICC) over claims they planned to bowl no-balls deliberately during last month’s Test against England at Lord’s. -AFP

  59. #59 by khansahab on September 20, 2010 - 10:31 PM

    Ijaz Butt is too stupid to realise the gravity of what he said, and what embarrassment it has caused to Pakistanis all around the world.

    Shame on you Butt, shame on politics, regionalism, nepotism.

    Earlier Butt said something stupid at an ICC conference, he also did something in India and the BCCI said on public that, they refuse to have any dealings with PCB with Butt as its Chairman.

    The ECB did a favour to Pakistan by arranging this series, commercially it is a success for ECB but the real winner was Pakistan cricket. Ijaz Butt has destroyed relations between the two boards.

    Ijaz Butt probably only wants Pakistan to compete with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 12:13 AM

    khansahab

    Ijaz Butt is a butt headed idiot but, Ian Bothom is also a pigheaded idiot, why should one take notice of his comments? Soop bolay, bolay Chunnee kya bolay?

    I think people should keep their mouth shut till such time the investigation is complete and the report is disclosed to public. Whoever is wrong needs to be punished. If there is no proof and if the court of law clears the players then the British Tabloids should be sued for sure. But, before that the game should carry on and the focus should be on the 5th ODI. It seems that English domination in this series is fading away and they are starting to find excuses and act like a cry baby. Imagine if Aamer and Asif were also in the team the English team is no match to the Pakistan team.

    Mohammad Yousuf’s form is more or less like Collingwood and I don’t think they will drop him and include Shahzaib Hasan Khan or Azhar Ali in his place. By taking Morgan’s catch and Pakistan winning this game Mohammad Yousuf has consolidated his place, perhaps the same team will play with no change. Hopefully both Afridi and Akhtar will recover from their minor injuries.

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 11:11 AM

    Mr. Kasim: You will enjoy the new insights that Rick Warren has, with his wife now having cancer and him having ‘wealth’ from the book sales. This is an absolutely incredible short interview with Rick Warren. And, for Munir this will a thought of the day.

    In the interview by Paul Bradshaw with Rick Warren, Rick said:

    People ask me, What is the purpose of life?

    And I respond: In a nutshell, life is preparation for eternity. We were not made to last forever, and God wants us to be with Him in Heaven.

    One day my heart is going to stop, and that will be the end of my body– but not the end of me.

    I may live 60 to 100 years on earth, but I am going to spend trillions of years in eternity. This is the warm-up act – the dress rehearsal. God wants us to practice on earth what we will do forever in eternity..

    We were made by God and for God, and until you figure that out, life isn’t going to make sense.

    Life is a series of problems: Either you are in one now, you’re just coming out of one, or you’re getting ready to go into another one.

    The reason for this is that God is more interested in your character than your comfort; God is more interested in making your life holy than He is in making your life happy.

    We can be reasonably happy here on earth, but that’s not the goal of life. The goal is to grow in character.

    This past year has been the greatest year of my life but also the toughest, with my wife, Kay, getting cancer.

    I used to think that life was hills and valleys – you go through a dark time, then you go to the mountaintop, back and forth. I don’t believe that anymore.

    Rather than life being hills and valleys, I believe that it’s kind of like two rails on a railroad track, and at all times you have something good and something bad in your life..

    No matter how good things are in your life, there is always something bad that needs to be worked on.

    And no matter how bad things are in your life, there is always something good you can thank God for.

    You can focus on your purposes, or you can focus on your problems:

    If you focus on your problems, you’re going into self-centeredness, which is my problem, my issues, my pain.’ But one of the easiest ways to get rid of pain is to get your focus off yourself and onto God and others.

    We discovered quickly that in spite of the prayers of hundreds of thousands of people, God was not going to heal Kay or make it easy for her- It has been very difficult for her, and yet God has strengthened her character, given her a ministry of helping other people, given her a testimony, drawn her closer to Him and to people.

    You have to learn to deal with both the good and the bad of life.

    Actually, sometimes learning to deal with the good is harder. For instance, this past year, all of a sudden, when the book sold 15 million copies, it made me instantly very wealthy.

    It also brought a lot of notoriety that I had never had to deal with before. I don’t think God gives you money or notoriety for your own ego or for you to live a life of ease.

    So I began to ask God what He wanted me to do with this money, notoriety and influence. First, in spite of all the money coming in, we never changed our lifestyle one bit.. We made no major purchases.

    Second, about midway through last year, I stopped taking a salary.

    Third, we set up foundations to fund an initiative we call The Peace Plan to assist the poor, care for the sick, and educate the next generation.

    Fourth, I added up all that my work had paid me in the 24 years since I started work, and I gave it all back. It was liberating to be able to serve God for free.

    We need to ask ourselves: Am I going to live for possessions? Popularity?

    Am I going to be driven by pressures? Guilt? Bitterness? Materialism? Or am I going to be driven by God’s purposes ?

    When I get up in the morning, I sit on the side of my bed and say, God, if I don’t get anything else done today, I want to know You more and love You better. God didn’t put me on earth just to fulfill a list. He’s more interested in what I am than what I do!

    That’s why we’re called human beings, not human doings.

    Happy moments, PRAISE GOD!!

    Difficult moments, SEEK GOD!!

    Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD!!

    Painful moments, TRUST GOD!!

    Every moment, THANK GOD!!!

    Ps

    In case you want to know who Rick Warren is:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren

  62. #62 by Mohammed Munir on September 21, 2010 - 11:15 AM

    Like the last few games, I never followed this fourth ODI, and believe it or not, I knew only today morning (UAE time) that Pakistan won last night.

    That is where my personal level of interest for this game has reached.

    Nevertheless, Pakistan won and I went through some of the comments here on LS. It’s really unfortunate to notice that in spite of Pakistan winning (no matter how) one can hardly see any positive or appreciative comments. Be it Gul, Afridi, Akhter, Razzaq or even Hafiz, the fact is Pakistan won, but we don’t see any praise for these players here on LS. This is sad, really sad.

    In a few of the above comments most of the players are criticized, blamed and made-fun-of.

    This doesn’t justify the love for the game, and rather shows a lot of negative energy and frustrations, which ‘may’ be related to the aftermath of the current circumstances. 😦

    Not good for the game !!

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 11:24 AM

    Munir

    Those comments were made while the match was in progress and as a cricket lover you know that no one knows the end results till the game is over and as supporter of your team you tend to criticize the players because you expect the best results from them. So, the criticism on all players is genuine, we don’t want Pakistan to lose, we don’t want Pakistan as a country to be disgraced and we love the team and support the team. It is like your own child when your expectations are high and if in the middle of the session he is not getting good results as per your expectations you get upset and angry and that is exactly what happened. Perhaps if you were also watching the game you would have aired the same feelings as we did. But, you saw only the end results and you didn’t go through the motions to vent out your emotions. Now, at hindsight your reaction is different. I remember earlier when Pakistan was playing and you were watching and simultaneously commenting, your comments were negative and positive both i.e., according to the situation your perception change.

    In the end after the match, read below Mr. Kasim’s comment “NO COMMENTS” Do you see what I have written? If not pls. do.

  64. #64 by Mohammed Munir on September 21, 2010 - 11:57 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I fully agree with you that most of those hypercritical, denouncing and to some extent abusing comments were during the match. Similarly, I also agree with your example of one being strict and tough with his own kids when our children’s performance is below expectations halfway through (this was a good example, btw). That being said, if our own children bring good results at the end of the year, don’t we praise them ? Don’t we give them gifts? Or reward and treat them special ? In fact, if our kids bring good end results after a shaky start and having problems in the middle of the session, then we are even more happy and celebrate it much more.

    So, even when the game was over, I didn’t see any open-hearted appreciation or real meaningful praise of the players.

    Yes, I read your above comment to Mr. Kassim, but was this one half-hearted comment enough ? And what about Khansahab, did he also wrote any appreciations, well, if he did, sorry, I couldn’t see them. 😉

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 12:19 PM

    Munir

    How can you say ‘they were half-hearted comments? Tum kab say meray dil ka haal jaan nay lagay? And, I believe in giving the due when it is due. There is one more match to be played so I don’t want to spoil the brats. Its just like you don’t praise your kid if he get good results in the mid-term exam, you wait for the final one. Ab ziyada Buzurgi na dikhao, aur tum nay kon say Tareefaon kay Pull baandh diyeh? 😀

  66. #66 by Mohammed Munir on September 21, 2010 - 1:29 PM

    Yaar I am one of the senior most guy on LS and I also know you from Pakspin days, so it’s like 3/ 4 years, right? So I think I know a lot of “Tumharay Dil Ka Haal” 😉

    And yes, I didn’t praise them because I actually didn’t see the match, so if I praised them it will be not right on my part. Plus I may hurt ‘someone’. 😆

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 5:15 PM

    England players threaten to sue Ijaz Butt

    http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/current/story/477928.html

    Earlier David Collier the ECB CEO said that the neutral series are unlikely in the future. Ejaz Butt’s fart created such a stench that the whole globe is stinking shouldn’t he be fired now?

    After the Lahore terrorist attack on SL team in March 2009 no foreign team is willing to come to Pakistan and at this time the neutral series in the UK not only attracted the financial revenue for both the boards but, most importantly for Pakistan cricket team it was a blessing disguise to play against not only the English team but against Australia and all other countries. But, the BUTTS (Salman and Ijaz) have ruined all this.

  68. #68 by Mohammed Munir on September 21, 2010 - 6:00 PM

    Arz Kia Hai….

    Aankhain Ghulti Karti Hain, Saza Par Heart Hee Paata Hai.
    Naam Pakastan Ka Spoil Hota Hai,BUTT Jab Bhee Fart Maarta Hai. 😆

  69. #69 by khansahab on September 21, 2010 - 6:39 PM

    Munir Sharjahbaadi

    Wah kya fikar ka mashghala paish kya tu ney! Lucknow ko loot liya!

    Aap ki izzath mai nacheez farmaata hai:

    “Munir aur Legslip”

    Hasti jaisey koi waqaar e bulandi

    waqtan bawaqtan, i am agree ki mansooba bandi

    teri awaaz, jaisey baaz ki badshaah nooma parwaaz

    hilal e karsaaz, cricket mai match fixing key asraath……

  70. #70 by khansahab on September 21, 2010 - 7:14 PM

    Ijaz Butt Demands Removal of Lorgat

    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has decided to demand the removal of Haroon Lorgat as head of the International Cricket Council (ICC) over his role in handling match-fixing allegations, reliable sources told SAMAA.

    According to PCB, Haroon Lorgat violated ICC rules by announcing the investigation of the Oval match without taking English and Pakistan cricket boards into confidence about the decision.

    As per ICC rules, Lorgat should have informed the boards of the two playing teams before making any decision regarding the match-fixing allegations leveled by a British newspaper against the Pakistani team. He, however, issued a media statement without consulting the two boards.

    Sources say PCB Chief Ijaz Butt and ICC President Sharad Pawar are also likely to hold a key meeting in Dubai on Tuesday.

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 7:53 PM

    Ijaz Butt is a recognized and a designated Ch2iyum Sulphate, he thinks that Pawar will take his sides in removing Logart? Ijaz is in his own BUTT WORLD and knows nothing, he should stop croaking from his Butt and shut up.

    The longer Ijaz Butt stays as the PCB chairman, the more I hate Asif Ali Zardari because he is looting the country and Butt is destroying the country. They both should be kicked out. PERIOD.

  72. #72 by M. Y. Kasim on September 21, 2010 - 7:54 PM

    This morning I was watching a talk show where Sarfraz Nawaz siad that English players are very patriotic and nationalist and HONEST 😀

    The have nor will ever involve in match fixing. 🙂

    I have nothing to say than to stand by my earlier assessment that Pakistan would win third and fourth ODI to make the fifth match decider, thereby attracting full house and generate lots of money 😦

    I will only remind Sarfraz Nawaz that during a match (I dont recall date and time) Ian Botham ran out deliberately Geoff Boycott because, according to Botham he, Boycott was playing very slowly and he, Botham came out of his batting order to exhilarate the scoring 🙂

    This is the same Botham who was knighted for his services to Cricket 😀

    Now Sir Ian Botham demands that Pakistan be banned from International Cricket 😦

    This is the height of Hypocracy (call it the British Diplomacy, Strategy or whatever).

    On the one hand their Prime Minister labells (rightly, maybe) that Pakistan is a nation of terrorists, on the other hand, they have invreased their aid for the flood-affectees. 😀

    Thats all I have to say, whether somebody likes it or agrees with it or not. 😦

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 8:07 PM

    KARACHI: Pakistan’s one-day captain Shahid Afridi said Tuesday his team could have filed a police complaint against England batsman Jonathan Trott over an altercation with fast bowler Wahab Riaz.

    Newspapers reports said Trott and Riaz had an altercation minutes before the fourth one-day at Lord’s, with Trott grabbing Riaz by the throat after both exchanged heated words in the net area.

    Reports said the incident started when Trott accidentally struck Riaz with his pads as he took them off.

    “When Riaz was returning after warming up Trott called him a ‘match fixer’ and that he (Riaz) was up to harming Test cricket and hit his face with the pad,” Afridi told Geo television in London

    “It could have been a police case because it is crime to hit someone, but we showed a big heart and did not press for it.”

    THIS IS THE MISTAKE OF PAKISTANIS THAT WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE ACTION THEY SHOW THEIR BIG BUTT HEART. .

    Trott was also involved in an ugly exchange of words with Pakistan wicket-keeper Kamran Akmal during the first one-day game at Chester-le-Street on September 10.

    No charges have yet been levelled against any Pakistani player.

    “The case is being investigated by the ICC and its anti-corruption unit and there are efforts to pressurize the Pakistan team on that,” said Afridi.

    After the altercation between Trott and Riaz, Afridi confirmed that there were suggestions Pakistan should not play the match in protest.

    “But we finally decided that it wouldn’t be appropriate,” said Afridi, praising his team for their spirit.

    BIG MISTAKE AFRIDI YOU SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE.

    “There is a conspiracy to finish the Pakistan team, but Pakistani people are different, they rise under such a situation,” said Afridi.

    Pakistan are facing fresh charges of spot-fixing during the third one-day at The Oval on Friday. British tabloid The Sun reported it tipped off the ICC that pattern of Pakistan’s scoring was pre-arranged with the book-makers.

    The ICC has launched a separate inquiry on these claims.

    PCB chairman Ijaz Butt’s claims that according to bookies, England players took enormous money to fix the Oval match, strained relations between the two boards and teams. AFP.

    IJAZ BUTT SHOULD HAVE SHUT HIS REAR END BEFORE FARTING, WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE IT IS WRONG TO HAVE SAID THAT.

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 8:10 PM

    Mr. Kasim

    I remember that incident where Ian Bothom admitted that he got Boycott run out deliberately.

    Did you read my comment above where in I have quoted the Lillee and Rodney Marsh incident wherein they bet against their own team Australia and lost the match against England in 1981 they openly admitted that they made 7500 pounds as the odds were 500:1 against England winning the match, it was in that match Bothom scored that so-called historic century and won the match which was actually lost by the Australians mainly because of Lillee and Marsh’s betting.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 8:21 PM


    “In any form of illegal activity you cannot give collective punishment to a country and deprive millions of fans, more so because these are still allegations yet to be proven.” – IMRAN KHAN.

    CRICKET
    Everyone needs to shut up

    KARACHI: Pakistani sporting hero Imran Khan brushed aside calls to ban his nation from international cricket until corruption allegations are investigated, saying a country cannot be punished collectively.

    Former England captains Ian Botham and Michael Vaughan have demanded Pakistan are kicked out of international cricket until a probe into their cricketers has been completed.

    Their calls follow allegations of spot-fixing against Pakistani cricketers during their ongoing tour of England, which triggered a war of words between cricket officials from the two countries.

    Former Pakistan cricket captain Khan said a country cannot be thrown out on the basis of allegations.

    “In any form of illegal activity you cannot give collective punishment to a country and deprive millions of fans, more so because these are still allegations yet to be proven,” Khan told AFP.

    Pakistani cricket has been embroiled in the spot-fixing scandal since last month’s News of the World report in which the British newspaper claimed several players took money to under-perform during the Lord’s Test against England.

    Test captain Salman Butt and bowlers Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Aamir were provisionally suspended by the International Cricket Council (ICC) earlier this month as British police interviewed the players.

    The police completed an initial report and prosecutors are deciding whether to press charges.

    Khan said the only evidence comes from a newspaper report and its footage.

    “The only evidence is that of News of the World footage showing someone (alleged bookie Mazhar Majeed) with money to be given to the players, and on that basis you cannot punish a country,” said Khan, who played 88 Tests and 175 one-day matches for Pakistan.

    He said the whole issue should be dealt handled with common sense and urged all parties to refrain from making “inappropriate statements”, referring to comments made by Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt.

    Butt accused England players of match-fixing in the third one-dayer across London at The Oval on Friday.

    “Butt was wrong in levelling allegations,” said Khan, who now heads his own political party — Tehrik-e-Insaaf (Movement for Justice). “Even if any other team is involved that does not absolve you.”

    Khan said Pakistan’s cricket team has long been a target of British tabloids.

    “Remember they called Wasim Akram and Waqar Younus cheats for ball-tampering when they destroyed England on the 1992 tour and when England won the Ashes series in 2005 the reverse swing became an art and skill.


    “There are double standards,” said Khan. “When England had fast bowlers there were no curbs on fast bowling but when the West Indies had a battery of fast bowlers it became a threat and so many curbs were put against fast bowlers like restriction on bouncers etc.”

    Khan stressed Pakistani cricket “has to put its house in order” adding that, “there should no longer be a PCB chairman nominated by President of Pakistan who is not accountable to anyone.” -AFP

  76. #76 by khansahab on September 21, 2010 - 8:23 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I read this report about calling the police on Trott, I was going to paste it here.

    I agree they made a mistake. I don’t know why they didn’t call the police? I am sure it was because Ijaz Butt has already made a very serious allegation without proof and the Pakistan management did not want to lower the teams’ morales any further.

    It would have been great to file a complaint against Trott. Wahab Riaz may be a crook, but there is no excuse for hitting him with a pad.

  77. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 8:24 PM

    Australia captain Ricky Ponting doesn’t believe Pakistan should be banned from international cricket because of the fixing allegations that have engulfed the team.

    “It would not be wise to keep Pakistan out because it will have a bigger impact on other things,” Ponting said Tuesday, without elaborating.

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 21, 2010 - 8:27 PM

    khansahab

    I agree and that is why I have highlighted those points and wrote my views in ALL CAPS, not only Trott hit him with with a pad but he also grabbed Wahab Riaz by his throat.

    There is no law that allows Trot to even call him a cheat until proven guilty and hitting him with his pad and grabbing his throat is definitely an assault on him and they SHOULD HAVE FILED THE COMPLAINT WITH THE POLICE. Forget the tour, your integrity and dignity is more important than anything else. IF people like Ijaz Butt and Yawar Saeed are handing such important issues this is what is going to happen. If I was in any authority over there, I would have definitely called the police.

  79. #79 by khansahab on September 21, 2010 - 9:58 PM

    Four Pak players clear random dope tests

    Karachi: Four Pakistan players, captain Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Akhtar, Kamran Akmal and Mohammed Yousuf, currently touring England have cleared their respective dope tests conducted by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).
    WADA carried out the dope tests after the third ODI as part of its new anti-doping policy in international cricket.

  80. #80 by khansahab on September 21, 2010 - 9:59 PM

    Ijaz Butt backed

    8.15PM Tue Sep 21 2010

    The manager of the Pakistan cricket team has admitted to ITV News that England’s players have “a right to be upset”, but claims that Pakistan’s players also have a right to do so.

    Yawar Saeed told ITV News that PCB chairman Ijaz Butt had never personally accused England’s players of being involved in match-fixing.

    He also dismissed reports he had resigned from his position.

  81. #81 by khansahab on September 21, 2010 - 10:14 PM

    Asif’s ex-girlfriend Veena Malik receives death threats

    The ex-girlfriend of tainted Pakistani cricketer Mohammad Asif on Tuesday claimed that she received death threats after meeting International Cricket Council officials to discuss match-fixing scandal.

    Veena Malik, a popular actress, model and television show host, told the British tabloid ‘The Sun’ that she received a chilling warning at home after handing evidence of Asif’s dealings with an Indian bookie to the ICC Anti-corruption and Security Unit (ACSU).

    She also claimed that she had got a mail in which she was ordered not to talk to the media and keep her mouth shut.

    “I will kill you, watch what I do,” she claimed the mail read.

    “I was also visited two weeks ago by a man who gave me a message to say someone was going to come after me – and there would be no warning. I can’t sleep at night because I fear for my life,” she said.

    But if I have to die, I will die. I’m not scared of threats. I warned the Pakistan Cricket Board about match-fixing eight months ago but I was ignored. Now people have to speak out,” she said.

    Asif, 27, is one of three Pakistan players suspended and sent home amid allegations of “spot-fixing” by bowling deliberate no-balls during last month’s Fourth Test against England.

    Veena also said that she discovered Asif’s involvement in spot-fixing after she called a number in India that kept on appearing on his phone bills.

    “I thought it was some women he was in touch with. But a man answered. He claimed they were working on commercial campaigns together. Asif went to Thailand without telling me. When he returned he finally admitted he met an Indian man to set up a deal,” she said.

    Veena also claimed in the interview that she later listened in on a telephone call as the man told Asif on the phone: “We spent a lot of money on you and you’ve made a commitment to us.”

    She said: “They were offering Asif 25,000 pounds to play badly but he said he needed 128,000 pounds.”

    Veena also said that players may be doing it out of fear and because they are getting threats.

    The actress, who dated the cricket star for nearly two years, said: “He would never mention any names, but he would say, ‘I’m not the only one involved’.”

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 2:47 AM

    khansahab,

    I said that instantly that WADA is trying to create a mountain out of a mole hill. This was bound to happen none of these players found positive for any drug. My emphasis was why this DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PAKISTAN? Why not they picked up random players from England? Are the super humans or Angels, or a different superior race?

    Regarding VEENA MALAK, I can say that she is creating another sensational story only to get cheap publicity stint and there is definitely nothing behind this, probably she or one of her accomplice may have sent an email from a random IP address using proxy server only to show it to the media that she is important that NOW her life is in danger. In Urdu, especially in Purbi language D A N G E R means Bhains (buffalo) After all she is a Hira Mandi gashti what else one would expect from her?

    Finally, Yawar Saeed and Ijaz Butt are just like a hand in glove character, they are chips of the same block or sh*t from the same dump.

  83. #83 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 3:28 AM

    I think England will play Sidebottom in tomorrow’s match. Pakistan should give rest to yousuf and give Shahzaib Hasan Khan a chance, even if he fails so what? Yousuf is failing in every single match but there is one advantage with Shahzaib he would be fielding better than Yousuf. But, I doubt they would drop Yousuf and may be he might play well in that big crunch match, who knows? So, Pakistan team will remain unchanged they won’t disturb the winning combo.

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 3:34 AM

    Andrew Strauss the England captain is saying the English team is disturbed by Ijaz Butt’s comments against England, this should not be made as an excuse for losing the two ODI’s in a row. If they lose this series they will openly and blatantly blame Butt for disturbing the team’s harmony. This is BS because the Pakistan team was hurt more by the two accusations and the much publicized scandal with headlines all over the world. If they can over come and beat England convincingly in two matches then English side is making a hue and cry outta nothing. I wish they lose tomorrow’s match with a bigger margin and lose this series. I would like to see their whining and winging and acting like cry babies. I will not be surprised even if they win they will still whine.

  85. #85 by Mohammed Munir on September 22, 2010 - 8:07 AM

    Thought For The Day …

    “The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going”.

  86. #86 by Mohammed Munir on September 22, 2010 - 9:51 AM

    ECB wants apology from Ijaz Butt

    “We are looking for an apology. If it does not come we’ll look at other options,” ECB chief executive David Collier told the BBC.

    In my opinion, this *&%@?$%#&$ Butt will even go so low to apologise to ECB to keep his Butt in the office.

    Source: http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/current/story/478264.html

  87. #87 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 11:56 AM

    The Sun investigating phone call between bookie & senior member of touring party

    CRICKET chiefs are investigating a taped phone call allegedly between a senior member of Pakistan’s touring party and a match-fixing bookie before a game they fear was rigged.

    The notorious bookie is recorded calling the suspect in England from Delhi in India – apparently to get details.

    He is told to speak to a match-fixer in Dubai.

    The call was made on July 20, the day before Pakistan began a test match against Australia at Headingley in Leeds.

    He phones Dubai five hours later and asks: “What is the programme for tomorrow?” The fixer tells him “all has been set”, and says 50million rupees – around £700,000 – has been paid in total.
    The bookie agrees to stump up his share of the match-fixing kitty and is told to ring the next day.

    When he does, the Dubai fixer tells him the Pakistani run total will fall within a three-run window after two separate ten-over sessions, enabling the syndicate to make a killing. The totals DID fall within the precise range stated.

    The International Cricket Council’s Anti-Corruption and Security Unit is investigating the calls.

    They believe the Pakistani suspect, whose name we are withholding for now, may have orchestrated fixing in the camp.

    Details of the calls are contained in a dossier The Sun has handed to the ICC. It is probing alleged “suspicious scoring patterns” during last Friday’s one-day match against England at The Oval, which we reported on Saturday.

    The ICC said: “We cannot comment on ongoing investigations.”

    The revelations came on another day of shambolic farce in the Pakistan camp.

    Officials told the media tour manager Yawar Saeed, 75, would announce he would quit at an afternoon press conference.

    One hour later, he insisted: “I’m not resigned, I’m not resigning and I will not resign tomorrow.”

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 12:03 PM

    Like I said yesterday that Yousuf will not be dropped despite for consecutive poor performance due to his experience and past records, Afridi has aired the same views by saying he is expecting a big innings from Yousuf today and he said, “He is such a great player and I know that he can do it. We hope that knock will come in the decider,” he added.

    Yes, according to the law of averages Yousuf is definitely due for a big innings and I also hope some real firecrackers from Umar Akmal who has been very subdued in this whole ODI series so far.

    Although the stats say that 3 out of 4 matches played so far on this ground, the team batting second has won the game, including Pakistan in 2006. But, Umar Gul’s ability to take wickets in flood lights may have the edge bowling second. In any case the batting needs some form from all the players this pitch has produced high scoring matches. Eoin Morgan scored a century on this ground in June 2010 against Australia, so this is one of his favourite grounds.

    As far as the momentum is concerned Pakistan has the advantage and it also depends on the toss, Pakistan should win the toss and opt to bat first.

  89. #89 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 12:50 PM

    Pakistan needs to win today’s match so that they can return to Pakistan with their heads held high.

    Good captaincy by Afridi to motivate the players so far.

    Afridi has made some U-turns, but he must not deviate from principle. Earlier he apologised to the world for the activities of Butt, Asif and Aamer. He said he knew match fixing was going on, he also said he was aware of Majeed and had warned the players not to approach him.

    Now Afridi is adamant that this whole match fixing furore is a conspiracy against Pakistan.

    Before people start accusing him of making U-turns under pressure, Afridi needs to give a statement to the effect that he accepts some players might be involved in corruption but the whole team is not, and that British media must not make a mountain of a molehill.

    I am pointing out faults of both sides- Pakistan as well as England.

  90. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 1:59 PM

    khansahab

    I don’t think it is a U-turn. Because, not only Afridi but most people think that after the second accusation of match fixing i.e., after Pakistan winning the 3rd ODI is really an attempt to ruin the image of Pakistan completely. Whoever has done this has some motives and intentions to destroy the team and the image of the country. Although there not much left in talking about Pakistan’s image, still it is not fair to accuse someone without any proof.

    Afridi is right in saying what he said, the word “conspiracy” has become a laughing stock since the various theories that came into existence since the last decade.

    Good captaincy by Afridi, he brought in Hafiz in the sixth over and he got Steve Davies. Afridi lost the crucial toss and this wicket is famous for big scores, but once again the stats for the last 4 matches show that the team batting second has won 3 times.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 2:04 PM

    Akhtar is bowling well, so far he has bowled 4 overs at good pace and at a very good economical rate, most balls went past Strauss’s bat with a lot of ooooh and aaaah from the crowd. On the contrary, Abdul Razzaq is bowling very poorly he gave away more than half of the current total of 35/1

    Akhtar finally got Trott clean bowled, and he is bowling extremely well against Strauss who is in form. So Pak got the second wicket now. But, Abdul Razzaq should be removed for now and Gul must bowl.

  92. #92 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 2:20 PM

    Akhtar finally got STRAUSS they are 47/3 now and earlier Hafeez bowled a maiden over to Strauss. Bowlers are dominating right now. Let see that they continue the pressure on England batsmen.

  93. #93 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 2:28 PM

    Afridi’s captaincy has turned nothing Hafeez into a useful player.

  94. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 2:31 PM

    Hafeez is bowling very tight, he bowled 3 overs 1 maiden 5 runs and 1 wicket, this is excellent bowling at the moment.

    Ian Bothom said, this is an excellent decision by Afridi to continue with Aktar up to his 6th over as opposed to last match where he was replaced after 3 overs. This time he was bowling so well against Strauss that Afridi continued with him for 2 more overs and he got the prized wicket of Strauss, he got Strauss in the last match also.

    Gul is now bowling and bowling well so far. He bowled a maiden over. 48/3 in 13 overs now

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 2:48 PM

    After Stauss was out, England made 2 runs in 4 overs – two overs were maiden, one by Hafeez and one by Gul. Then in the next two overs they scored 11 runs six of Ajmal and five of Gul. After 15 overs they are 59 for 3. They are keeping the run rate under 4 which is good. So far the bowlers have dominated the batsmen. Collingwood who is in pathetic form is struggling. He has scored 99 runs in the last 10 ODI’s, this shows how much he is struggling, Pakistan must get him out soon before he settles in because he is a very dangerous player once he settles in he scores big. Its like Ponting’s form throughout previous Ashes was dipping even when Pakistan started their tour to Australia but, when Aamer dropped him at zero, he went on to score a double hundred.

  96. #96 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 2:51 PM

    Collingwood is retired hurt, Morgan is in. What happened to Collingwood? I must have missed that. khansahab did you see or know why he retired hurt?

  97. #97 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 3:02 PM

    Javed A khan

    He signalled Andrew Strauss that he had a headache. Then, the physio came and gave him some tablets.

    A few minutes later he asked for the physio and said he has a migraine.

    He then waited until drinks break and walked off as retired hurt.

  98. #98 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 3:11 PM

    Why did Collingwood come out to bat if he was not 100%?

    A migraine, like a headache, does not appear out of nowhere. It is a developing pain. A person senses it before it develops into a terrible pain.

    I think this needs to be looked into further. Collingwood was not even at the crease for 30 minutes and a migraine cannot develop so much in 30 odd minutes, that he would need to walk off the field.

  99. #99 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 3:19 PM

    khansahab

    I agree with you that migraines don’t occur instantly. And, now Bell is with a runner because he is being bothered by his corn injury? Corn injuries don’t occur on the ground. Once again this needs to be reviewed. As usual Pakistan fielding is sloppy. There are fumbles and giving away ones and twos just like that.

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 3:27 PM

    Just now they showed Collingwood on the screen, he was seen talking to his mates and smiling and commentator Bumble said, “there are no sings of migraine on his face.” So what was that he had to go? Was it a change of tactics from England to get Morgan?

  101. #101 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 3:29 PM

    Pakistan’s many fumbles (Shafiq, Afridi, Yousaf etc) and problems with bowling too full (Hafeez and Ajmal) have released pressure off England.

    Bell is a good player but Pakistan could have slowed his progress. Too many balls are coming to Yousuf who is slow to react in the field.

  102. #102 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 3:32 PM

    Afridi got rid of Bell.

    That was good bowling he bowled 4 dot balls to Bell and then clean bowled him.

  103. #103 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 3:39 PM

    Afridi has bowled well, his length has improved since the last game.

    Surprisingly Hafeez is bowling better than Ajmal.

  104. #104 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 3:42 PM

    Yousaf did well there but it was comical

    🙂

  105. #105 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 3:44 PM

    On Afridi and Hafeez I agree, but what happened to Yousuf? I missed that and when I saw he was limping and going out of the ground

  106. #106 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 3:48 PM

    Javed A Khan

    He ran after a catch of Morgan’s, took the catch on the boundary but realised he would be going over the ropes, so he dropped the ball before he reached the rope but unfortunately twisted his ankle and bumped into the advertising board.

  107. #107 by Mohammed Munir on September 22, 2010 - 3:48 PM

    Good going guys, I am noticing a lot of positive comments today. 😀

    I am also watching the game for a change. 😛

  108. #108 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 3:55 PM

    LOL @ Moulana Yousuf, thanks and I have just read the same on cricinfo …….. I hope his injury is not that bad and he should be able to bat well.

  109. #109 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 4:00 PM

    Afridi was attacking more than Hafeez, he should have completed his 10 overs.

    I am not trying to undermine Hafeez who has been near-perfect today, but Afridi has more pace, he more variety, at this stage I would have continued with him and brought Gul from the other end (because of the need for Gul to bowl a few overs before the mandatory ball change). Afridi was bowling with more penetration, I don’t know why he took himself out of the attack?

    He has definitely bowled better to Morgan and I am sure he would have troubled Collingwood more than Hafeez.

  110. #110 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 4:05 PM

    Its Billy Doctrove once again, Gul got Collingwood plumb and he said NOT OUT. The replay confirmed he was plumb.
    Ajmal is pretty ineffective today, the pressure is released and Morgan is involved in two good partnerships, one with Bell and the other with collingwood.

  111. #111 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 4:14 PM

    Now Gul has lost his focus after that appeal turned down by Doctrove, the next over he is bowling is pretty bad and given away two boundaries in 4 deliveries. Morgan scored his second fifty of the series. Even Collingwood has got his form back he has so far scored 33 in 47 balls, bit slow but still very useful.

    Nasser Hussain just confirmed that Collingwood was plumb lbw.

  112. #112 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 4:24 PM

    Billy Doctrove definitely needs to get his eyes tested, he just gave a wide, whereas the ball clearly hit Morgan’s thigh pad and not only the replay confirmed but, even the snicko-meter too confirmed it was a snick. If he keeps giving decision like this then one side is definitely benefiting from his poor decisions. The partnership is over 70 runs now and England can easily make 250-260 from here.

  113. #113 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 4:25 PM

    Afridi back into the attack and immediately he beats Collingwood twice.

    This is what I was talking about.

  114. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 4:46 PM

    BANG !!!!!
    Gul got Collingwood in style, clean bowled, 199/5 in 44.1 overs

    And Akhtar did the same in getting Luke Wright bowled. 202/6 in 45.2 overs

  115. #115 by Mohammed Munir on September 22, 2010 - 5:01 PM

    BANG !!!!
    Akhter got Luke wright in style, clean bowled.

    Akhter gets his 3rd wicket.

  116. #116 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 5:19 PM

    I did not know Ramiz is this biased.

    Morgan hit a six, Fawad leapt very high, the ball landed beyond the rope and ended somewhere in the first row of stands.

    But, Ramiz was somehow under the impression that Fawad has dropped it and he used strong words to criticise that effort.

    Cricinfo called Fawad’s effort, a “great effort” and appreciated that he tried very hard to stop that. Ramiz should have criticised Ajmal who was flat as a pancake.

    Ramiz choora, he is a biased MF.

  117. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 5:23 PM

    Pathetic last over by Saeed Ajmal. He gave away 19 runs in that over started with a wide with 2 runs total 3 on his first ball and Ramiz Raja was blaming Afridi by saying Ajmal must be stiff because he has not been used by Afridi today and he did not bowl in the last 30-40 minutes so that is the reason. Whereas the fact is Ajmal throughout this match was ineffective. But, Raja came to protect Ajmal, what a phony character he is.

    I think it would have been better if Afridi had given the last over to Hafeez who bowled well today.

    As predicted Morgan played well, this is his second century of this season on this same ground.

  118. #118 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 5:29 PM

    khansahab

    That was another point I was going to write here about Ramiz when he said that about Fawad Alam, there was no way anyone could have caught that ball. Ramiz was quick to say that not only on this occasion Fawad has not fielded well today and fumbled a few times. What about Ajmal today? What about Umar Akmal’s throws and Shoaib Akhtar not gathering the ball twice to run out the batsman.

    Morgan hit the ball which well short of Asad Shafiq but he gathered cleanly and threw the ball at the bowler’s end and Shoaib Akhtar could not gather the ball, Morgan was halfway on the pitch. The second time it was another fielder and Akhtar was too tired to go back to the stumps, in any case he bowled well today but, it was poor fielding that has let Pakistan down and now they need to bat really well to win this match. 256 is not a big total, they can win. Go Pakistan Go.

  119. #119 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 6:19 PM

    Javed A Khan

    After Fawad’s “dropped catch” in the last over, Hafeez and Riaz both sent bad throws back to the keeper and Holding criticised them. But, Ramiz did not say anything. He did not even criticise Ajmal for bowling so flat.

  120. #120 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 6:23 PM

    A pretty decent start by the Pakistani openers 52/0 in 8 overs, they are looking confident and playing good shots, I hope they continue like this and take the partnership over 100 to relieve the pressure from the middle orders. One should look at the expressions on Broad’s face he is demoralized, in fact he got in the way when he was blocking Hafeez from a run and the umpire Ian Gould warned him.

  121. #121 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 6:25 PM

    khansahab

    Ramiz criticized Afridi for not using Ajmal for the last 30-40 minutes, he should know that it was batting power play and both Gul and Akhtar had to bowl so why would he bring Ajmal?

  122. #122 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 6:42 PM

    This man Collingwood, he is not a good bowler and not a good batman, butta the only reason he is A KEEP in the team is bakoz of his fielding.

  123. #123 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 6:44 PM

    Hafeez threw away his wicket, he was getting pissed off by Akmal not taking singles or the second run and in frustration hit the wide ball straight into the hands of Collingwood. I was suspecting this would happen because Hafeez was seen clearly very upset. I can’t say who is at fault here because there was no understanding between the two batsmen as regards to running between the wickets. This is bad. They should have kept their cool and played sensibly rather than emotionally charged and throwing away your wicket.

    Shafiq gone on a first ball duck BROAD on a hat-trick. Pak 63/2 suddenly.

  124. #124 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 6:44 PM

    Yousuf needs to play his best innings this tour to steer Pakistan towards victory.

  125. #125 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 7:13 PM

    Very, very poor umpiring on this tour, this time it is Ian Gould, Kamran had a big, thick inside edge on to his pad and he gave him out. Earlier Hafeez was given not out by Doctrove but, most decisions went England’s favour on this tour.

  126. #126 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 7:21 PM

    I knew Fawad Alam would not be able to play Swann.

    Swann is especially proficient against left handers.

    Bad cricket by Alam and he needs to work on his handling of off spinners. This is the first time I am criticising his technique because it is fair criticism- there is a problem here which needs to be addressed. I think Swann has got him out on all occasions in this ODI series?

  127. #127 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 7:26 PM

    Correction: Swann got Fawad out once in the T20s, and once in this ODI series. However, in the T20s and much of this ODI’s Fawad has been unable to play him.

  128. #128 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 7:29 PM

    Yes Fawad Alam played a very poor shot but, no one is able to play Swann here, the run rate has dropped and Yousuf is playing very defensive cricket the asking rate is almost close to six an over, Umar Akmal is also unable to play Swann.

    170 needed in 28 overs, the run rate earlier on was as close as six per over has dropped to 3.87 per over. If the run rate keeps climbing up then it is a folly to expect Afridi and Razzaq to come and do boom boom and bang bang

  129. #129 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 7:50 PM

    Pakistani batsmen finding extreme difficulty in scoring and now Yousuf gone bowled Swann

    I think this match is now in England’s favour, they are unable to score at Swanm’s bowling and even Luke Wright’s bowling so who is left now? Afridi and Razzaq, I doubt they can play for the next 24 overs.

  130. #130 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 7:52 PM

    AFRIDI CLEAN BOWLED ON FIRST BALL BY SWANN

    THE MATCH IS OVER NOW.

  131. #131 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 22, 2010 - 7:54 PM

    It was an inside edge, a very soft dismissal on first ball, salay ko late cut kernay ki zaroorat kya thee? The ball was spinning and the inside edge came on to the stumps. Swann on a hat-trick

  132. #132 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 8:14 PM

    Yousuf just attempted a lazy shot, Afridi attempted a similar shot.

    Pakistani fans were desperately hoping to win this match.

    Pakistan need to think very hard about why they can’t play Swann.

  133. #133 by M. Y. Kasim on September 22, 2010 - 8:36 PM

    As expected, Pakistan has chance of winning. 😦

    It demonstrates clearly that the whole thing was a set up. 😀

    Pakistabn with its Loola Langda “PLAYERS” is no match to a full-fledged England 🙂

  134. #134 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 9:39 PM

    “They said they will sue me – I will sue them”

    LOL this is what Ijaz Butt said.

    Butt saab tussi great ho.

  135. #135 by khansahab on September 22, 2010 - 9:41 PM

    Butt terms his meeting with Pawar useful

    LAHORE: Ijaz Butt, chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), said Wednesday that those leveling match-fixing allegations against the Pakistani team should appreciate their good performance too.

    Speaking to reporters at Lahore airport, he termed his meeting with ICC President Sharad Pawar as positive.

    On Monday morning, he told a different TV channel, “There is loud and clear talk in Indian bookie circles that some English players were paid enormous amounts of money to lose. No wonder there was total collapse of the English side.”

    Butt’s claims sparked outrage, with the England & Wales Cricket Board and players threatened legal action unless they received an apology

  136. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2010 - 2:45 AM

    Winning and losing is a part of the game, one team wins the other loses, I would have accepted the defeat if they had fought well but, the way they lost is pathetic and deplorable. After the 10 overs there was chaos, they all played badly after that. Kamran Akmal was unlucky to be given out like that by Ian Gould, it appears that he was so keen and anxious to raise his finger that even before the appeal was completed he raised his finger. The ball was outside the off-stump and he had a very big edge that came sideways from his bat to his pads and not only the replays but, even in the fast motion it was obvious that he was not out. Anyways, that cannot be undone, but the poor umpiring has left so much to talk about why they don’t use technology when they have all the resources available?

    I don’t want to criticize the Pakistan team any further but my analysis of the game are, there was some kinda problem between Hafeez and Kamran in running between the wickets and Hafeez was clearly not happy and even at the end of the over they were not talking to each other and the emotions were running high and that’s the reason Hafeez played a reckless shot and got out, Collingwood cannot be credited much as the commentators were praising because the ball was within his reach and got stuck to his hand, he couldn’t hold Kamran’s shot a few balls later so it was purely a matter of luck.

    After Kamran there was chaos and no one played well, in fact Shafiq came and gone, Fawad Alam came and gone, Afridi came and gone, Yousuf and Umar Akmal barely survived and spent some time on the wicket but no runs scored. Razzaq appeared that his spinach stock has depleted and he could not hit the ball, it was a shameful defeat. Had they reached somewhere near 250 0r so and lost then I would have said, at least they tried. But, it appeared that the moment Kamran was out, the rest of the players wanted to catch a flight to Pakistan.

  137. #137 by Mohammed Munir on September 23, 2010 - 5:09 AM

    Ijaz Butt… “They said they will sue me – I will sue them”

    LOL … Butt should ‘sue ON them’ 😉

    Or still better Butt Sahab should ‘sue-sue on them’ 😆

  138. #138 by khansahab on September 23, 2010 - 8:17 AM

    Akhtar caught on camera tampering with the ball: Reports

    LONDON: There seems no respite for the Pakistan cricket team as after facing spot-fixing allegations, temperamental fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar has landed the scandal-hit side in the middle of a ball-tampering controversy.

    Akhtar was caught on camera tampering with the cricket ball during their fifth ODI match against England last night at the Rose Bowl stadium in Southampton, which Pakistan lost by a massive 121 runs.

    “In the last game of their acrimonious tour of England at the Rose Bowl last night fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar could be seen apparently running his left thumb along the ball’s seam before dropping the ball on the ground and standing on it with his spiked right boot,” the Daily Mail reported on Thursday.

    “Sportsmail’s pictures were taken in the 41st over of England’s innings as Shoaib prepared to bowl to Paul Collingwood,” it said.

    No stranger to controversy, Akhtar was filmed by Sky cameras flicking at the ball with his thumb during an ODI here against England four years ago.

    The 35-year-old was let off at that time. His behaviour also came under the scanner when he was accused of tampering with the ball during a Test match in Zimbabwe in late 2002 and was subsequently warned.

    For the same offence committed against New Zealand in Sri Lanka, Akhtar was banned for two ODIs and fined 75 per cent of his match fee.

  139. #139 by khansahab on September 23, 2010 - 8:20 AM

    Munir sahab

    When Shoaib Malik’s Hyderabadi in laws were thinking of suing him, Malik’s brother appeared on a TV interview and the TV presenter asked him, “Aap ki kya raaey hai, yeh log aap ko sue kerna chahtey hain”?

    So the uncouth said, “O jee sue shoe yeh hamay nai krein gey, mai in ko sue shoe keroon ga”

  140. #141 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 23, 2010 - 7:09 PM

    khansahab

    Photography is very tricky, from one angle it looks that the ball is under the spike but, if you see from another angle it is possible that the spikes are above the ball. Secondly, the photographer is trying to show that he is piercing nails in the ball, it could just be the grip to prove it, he needs to show whether Akhtar has nails in his fingers or not.

  141. #142 by newguy on September 24, 2010 - 2:38 AM

    Finally the England saga of Pakistan has ended!!! Enough said. There was not a dull moment though, on and off the field.

    Regarding this one last ball tampering allegation, the photo can be tricky, I agree that some angles can make you believe things that are not really what they are.

    But .. even if they are true, my question is so what? I have a feeling that Akhtar was pulling at the seam and it was not by chance he got 3 wickets, he needs all the help he can get to complete 10 overs and get some wickets. Batsmen these days are getting all the help, from 1 bouncer per over rule to, only 4 fielder inside circle, and all kind of protective gear, they have it. Why not let the bowler who is working so hard get some help by pulling away at the seam, or rough up the ball a bit. I don’t see any issue. Let him have a go at it, in fact, let all bowlers do it.

    English and Aussie bowlers have done these kind of things all along, that is how they used to win matches, but when everyone else caught up, they cry like sour losers. There was this infamous John Snow Vaseline incident on a tour of India I remember. An English fast bowler called Snow used Vaseline cream on the ball to get extra swing. Then of course Pakistanis from Imran Khan, Sarfraz Nawaz to Wasim and Waqar were accused of ball tampering with bottle caps and what not. English press also alleged Chetan Sharma was chucking after he took 5 wickets in Lords or Leeds to win a test series. They said he could not generate so much pace and swing without chucking. I also remember English press said Wasim and Waqar could not swing the ball so much without tampering with it.

    It’s not a secret that all bowlers have used these techniques when the going gets tough, or simply to get an advantage. But only when Pakistanis, Indians, or Sri Lankans do it becomes cheating. English and Aussie do it then it is because they are best in world. Who knows what kind of tricks McGrath, or Warne have tried to get their wickets, same goes for any number of English and Aussie bowlers prior to 1980.

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