END OF AN ERA

 

Australia win the World Cup 1999, an event that triggered global cricket dominance for 12 years

The story of David and Goliath poses much relevance to what happened on 24/03/2011 when Australia was ousted from the World Cup 2011 by India. Goliath, a fearsome and giant warrior, was defeated in battle by David who then paraded Goliath’s head through Israel.

It was understood even by Australia’s keenest supporters that the slow and low, spin producing pitches of the subcontinent would trouble their team. However, cast your minds to three or four years ago and the thoughts of teams like India and Pakistan defeating Australia anywhere in the world would not even surface. In this World Cup, Australia did enter as a vulnerable team, but they were actually ranked no 1 in the ICC ODI rankings.

The World Cup has produced some unpredictable results. England tied with India, Pakistan and India comfortably beat Australia, NZ ended South Africa’s World Cup campaign etc. Yet, no one could imagine Australia being booted out in the QF stage. Who could imagine that Australia would not even finish in the top 4?

So what are the reasons that has led to Australia’s downfall? It all obviously started with the composed and shrewd captaincy of Steve Waugh. A stage for future domination was being set when the likes of Mark Taylor, David Boon, Craig Mcdermott were leaving the team and the very talented and mentally strong Shane Warne, Waugh brothers, McGrath, Gilchrist were either starting their careers or peaking. In Steve Waugh they found a leader who was composed yet passionate, methodical yet dynamic and most importantly of all, inspirational.

Waugh helped in transforming a bunch of talented and mentally strong cricketers into an indestructible force

Steve Waugh left the Australian team with an aggressive and destructive Ricky Ponting, a rock solid run machine Matthew Hayden, a consistent Test opener Langer, a tenacious match winner Michael Bevan, an unplayable legspinner Warne, a wicketkeeper who deserved selection solely because of his batting- Adam Gilchrist,Β  a bowler with an unabatable hunger for wickets- Glenn McGrath and the quick and wicket taking machine Brett Lee. In fact these players are just the cream. There were others such as Damien Martyn, Greg Blewett, Damien Fleming, Jason Gillespie, Symonds etc who were all good cricketers in their own right and helped Australia maintain their no 1 ranking for years.

Ricky Ponting is hailed by many to be a very good captain, but in his case he benefited from Waugh’s legacy. A captain who leads a team which practises a

Ponting's excellence as a batsman inspired his team to many victories

culture of not just being loyal to the skipper, but a captain who has on board players like Hayden, Warne and McGrath at their peak, is the luckiest captain in the world. What glorified Ponting’s captaincy was his outstanding batting. Ponting, apart from Lara, was the player who could come close to Tendulkar in terms of sheer skill. For most of Ponting’s career cricket pundits acknowledged him along with Tendulkar to be the best batsman.

But then Hayden, Gilchrist, Warne and McGrath retired. Symonds started facing continuous discipline problems. Martyn left, Bevan left, and all ofΒ  a sudden

The Ashes defeats were like the last nails in the coffin for Australia

Australia was experiencing a descent. Those who planned Australia’s rise in the 1990s did not envisage the fall that would ensue after the exit of Australia’s match winners. Twenty20 cricket came and initially Australia appeared to struggle globally but then improved its team. However, as with every team, Twenty20 will be blamed for Australia’s relatively poor recent Test performance.

It is a mystery to many why Australia is not producing a Warne, Hayden or McGrath. Perhaps it is just due to the fact that trends have changed as the BCCI has risen as a hugely influential cricket body. The focus of the world has shifted so much to Indian cricket and BCCI that perhaps ECB or Australian Cricket Board are not very interested in ensuring that good Test cricketers are produced. It is indeed strange that a sizable number of England’s recent cricketers have either come from Ireland or South Africa, or are originally Indian or Pakistani with cricket running through their veins. An Australian-Pakistani, Usman Khwaja, was reportedly included in an international squad so perhaps Australian cricket will also go in the same direction.

The story of Australian dominance and then its downfall is a fascinating read. Other teams have cashed in on Australia’s recent decline. The rules of the game have changed and cricket has become more competitive. Whereas three years ago you could confidently say Australia had a 90%+ chance of winning an ODI or Test, now teams like India, South Africa, England and Sri Lanka are treated with more respect. Further, teams like Pakistan and New Zealand are as unpredictable and occasionally brilliant, as ever. From the interest and competition perspective, this can only be good for world cricket.

The teams that thwarted Australia’s hunt for another piece of world domination are a stark contrast to one another. A raw, mercurial and passionate team defeated them ending their WC reign of 30+ consecutive victories. And perhaps it was fitting that a giant trounced another giant on 24/03/2011; India, the modern day centre of world cricket with legendary batsmen and a match winning strike bowler.

To conclude, this is well and truly the end of an era. After three consecutive WC victories (which is a record) Australia has been destroyed at the QF stage. For Australians this will take months to sink in, this blunt realisation that they are champions no more. Kings are overthrown, legends are written, myths are created. Every tenure comes to an end, life throws up many reminders that everything that was ever made or formed has to come to an end. This is part and parcel of the circle of life.

The back side of Australia- exiting the World Cup. It is well and truly over for Australia

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  1. #1 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 10:06 AM

    new thread

  2. #2 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 10:14 AM

    It will be an easy final for India in India vs England: Navjot Sidhu

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 10:22 AM

    khansahab

    It is good to see the BACKSIDE OF AUSTRALIA, yes their dominance ended exactly after 11 years and 11 months in the year 2011 and who shot them? It was Pakistan and India hammered the last nail on the coffin by dispatching them to Sydney.

    The England / Sri Lanka match is so far dominated by Sri Lanka and in 19 overs England are 63/2 and are still struggling. Sri Lanka has 3 specialist bowlers today, Murali, Mendis and Herath and to add to the miseries of England, SL’s part time spin bowler Dilshan opened the bowling and got a prized wicket of Strauss. That was a pathetic shot from Strauss.

    I have seen that TV program and that FRAUDSTER MULLAH …. yes he made a couple of fluke predictions but, this guy knows nothing. He was telling that England will win and I see Pietersen, Collingwood scoring runs. Poor Mullah not aware that Pietersen has gone back long time ago and Collingwood dropped due to poor form. He was calling Vitttori as VICTORY and to add pride to his Mullahism he was saying, ” I am Syed and I have Hussaini blood in me.” WTF is that? As if others have some Bakri ka blood in them? Ch2So4

  4. #4 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 10:24 AM

    Navojot Sidhu is another Chutiyum Sulphate from India he has chronic and acute verbal diarrhea even extra strength Imodium cant help him .

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 10:30 AM

    Since we have seen the backside of Australian team we might also see the backside of so many cricketers after this WC who will definitely not play the next world cup. Already gone are:

    John Davison of Canada
    Graeme Smith of SA
    Kallis et Tabarnak
    Murali
    Tendulkar
    Misbah
    Younus Khan
    Shoaib Actor
    Ponting
    Brett Lee

    Who else?

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 10:34 AM

    Sagaat

    I was with a few friends this evening and we were talking about the same i.e., Afridi to open the innings because, his utility down there or even in the middle is not worth. He should be able to take advantage of the mandatory power plays and if he stays there the match is over. Like khansahab said, he should be used like a wild card, it is a gamble but, if it works it is worth a try. Besides, if you see his stats he has scored most runs as an opener and he scores big and whenever that happened Pakistan has won.

    But, I am against playing Akhtar. Riaz should be tried one more time never mind what he did in the last game but, he is a new bowler to India and Tendulkar has this knack of getting out by new bowlers. Besides, he is a lefty and bowls at a good speed. Someone useful for Yuvraj and Raina.

  7. #7 by Mohammed Munir on March 26, 2011 - 10:36 AM

    This is not the new thread I was pointing at.

    Why a special thread on defeated Australians ❓

    We want INDIA / PAKISTAN thread for the Semi Final.

  8. #8 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 10:42 AM

    Khansahab,

    This is a very good thread. All good things come to an end. It seems that ‘that’ Australian team would have a mythical recollection in the minds of people who follow cricket. Equally true is that no statues would be carved in their names or epics written: Waugh certainly won’t become Gilgamish and Dhoni, his counterpart, will not become Enkidu.

    Finally, Australia cannot win this world cup . Its time to rejoice. Cricket is best played when all teams are, more or less, equals. Its allure has finally returned.

  9. #9 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 11:47 AM

    Match is slipping away from SL hands, this is bound to happen if you drop catches, four of them!!!

    SL fielding is pathetic as they drop lollipop catches in the field. England is setting a good platform, have wickets in hand, and can set a challenging total.

    Batting second at Colombo is really hard. SL might get a taste of their own medicine today.

    Interesting..

  10. #10 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 12:01 PM

    Newguy

    This is what the pressure of home crowd does to you (hint hint :)]

    I feel unpleasant whenever I watch Sri Lanka play Malinga’s and Murali’s actions look very suspect to me.

  11. #11 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 12:11 PM

    Sagaat

    Yes, cricket is more fun when teams are on a level playing field. This WC has aroused more interest than the previous one because a few teams were favourites.

    England are struggling in the Powerplay, I wonder if they can manage 250.

    The problem with SL is that getting Dilshan and Sangakkara out cheaply means you have got most of the SL team out. In ODI’s I think Jayawardene is over-rated. A lot of his good knocks come when batting with Sangakkara, I wonder if he has the ability to win matches single handedly.

  12. #12 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 12:19 PM

    This is ridiculous. Malinga is a walking yorker machine. The reason he can bowl unlimited yorkers is because of his slinging suspect action. His run up is not that long either, he doesn’t run in hard compared to other express pacers like Tired Butt, Lee and Tait.

    The reason for Malinga’s yorkers and pace is his dodgy action. He can produce the same bowling by cutting short his run up 1/3rd if he wants to.

    This long run up is just too fool the world and attribute to his action a degree of normality and legitimacy.

  13. #13 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 12:22 PM

    Khansahab,

    What home pressure πŸ™‚

    SL has not been really good in this WC, baring Sangakkara.

    Dilshan is over rated as a batsman in situations like this. SL need both Mahela and Sangakkara to fire.

    But first they need to restrict England.

    The total so far is not intimidating. Anything below 240 should be OK, provided they get two above mentioned click.

  14. #14 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 12:26 PM

    More than Murali it is Malinga who looks like chucking.

    Malinga is throwing it like Javelin into the bottom of stumps.

    Unfortunately ICC rules allow this.

    Question is: why isn’t other teams not re-producing it if this is so easy to do by chucking? It’s not because they are saints, there is still some skills involved. That is why I don’t go all the way and call it cheating.

    BTW, Akhtar also bowls with similar throwing action, there is no way he is getting that sort of speed without a bit of bending. Same goes for Tait.

  15. #15 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 12:30 PM

    Newguy

    I have always considered Butt’s action to be suspect but the jerk in his arm is less visible than Tait.

    Malinga should not be used in the same sentence as Butt and Tait because Malinga’s release arm is more horizontal than vertical whereas Akhtar and Tait bowl it vertically albeit slightly bent.

  16. #16 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 12:33 PM

    I don’t want SL to win because of Malinga and Murali.

    I would say the final should be between Pakistan and New Zealand πŸ™‚

  17. #17 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 12:34 PM

    Newguy,

    How does Akhter chuck? Have you seen his arm? Chucking is the act of bending the arm (if I am correct), not bowling with a bent arm. In fact someone who bends his arm sometimes is Brett Lee (or so it seems). Malinga has a slingy, side-armed action, but he doesn’t chuck (at least usually). I don’t think Tait chucks either.

  18. #18 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 12:54 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Its a tough call between Akhter and Riaz. Riaz so far hasn’t bowled well. He has been wayward. It hasn’t hurt because the spinners have been in form. That may not be the case against India. Indians play spin well.

    So, the permutations are there for the management to work out;. They would certainly need wickets upfront, get rid of Sehwag as ASAP and possibly Tendulkar. Now if they start taking Hafeez to cleaners, then what is the back-up that will take wickets? Is Wahab Riaz a wicket-taker or not?

    These are some of the questions that come to mind. It is a very tough call. Maybe on his day Riaz can bowl well. Akhter has had only few bad overs, that too because of Kamran Akmal. But Akhter can be expensive as well as take wickets. Its a risk, but whether to take it or not, it is a hard call. Because spinners have done the wicket-taking job untill now, that may not be the case against India. And, if they aren’t taking those Indian wickets, then they can score as fast as they like.

  19. #19 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 12:58 PM

    In fact overall I think Akhter should be played. Given Riaz’s performance so far, and the fact that the spin-pronged attack may not be as effective, I’d rather play another wicket-taker. Because if they don’t get Sehwag or Tendulkar out, then India would get a very high score, or chase a very high score. Akhter is the better of two evils πŸ˜€

  20. #20 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 1:13 PM

    I too hope like many of you are wishing that Akhtar plays against India, so we can settle this forever πŸ™‚

    Having Akhtar is good for India, as with his pace ball will come on to bat cleanly, if he is taken to the cleaners like they did against Steyn and Morkel then the rest will capitulate.

    I am a bit vary about Wahab Riaz because he is new commodity, even though he leaked runs against other teams, new Pakistani bowlers have tendency to get wickets against India. Also with his action of sliding the ball away he can cause trouble, like Tsotobe did against India in last SA series.

  21. #21 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 1:17 PM

    Sagaat,

    I said Akhtar’s action is similar throwing action, if you watch enough without looking at it like an ardent fan you will also see this. That is not saying it is illegal or chucking, but there is a bit of bending the rules, it’s really hard to get that yorker and that pace correct without bending the rules a bit.

    I agree with Khansahab though that his action is less pronounced that Tait. Malinga is in a different league all together.

    I still don’t call any of it illegal, because the same rules apply to everyone, and others can do it as well. But we don’t see many, that means there is some skill also involved.

    BTW, in my view Asif was always the better bowler than Akhtar, because Asif lacks pace but he is so good with the control over ball and all kinds of variations he could.

  22. #22 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 1:17 PM

    Newguy,

    Don’t worry– we or anyone reading this knows whom you are supporting πŸ˜€

  23. #23 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 1:19 PM

    Newguy,

    You are just hell-bent on promoting the idea that Akhter shouldn’t play πŸ˜‰

  24. #24 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 1:54 PM

    Sagaat

    I think there is a risk with playing Akhtar. Sehwag and SRT tend to play well against him. Apart from 2-3 occasions I can never remember Akhtar troubling SRT or Sehwag. I have more memories of him being smashed around by them.

    I just have a bad feeling about him.

    However if Pakistan play Riaz and they lose there will be a lot of criticism of Afridi for not playing a “match winner”.

    A match winning bowler on one day can be a match loser on another day but people just tend to remember the match winning performances.

  25. #25 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 1:59 PM

    Khansahab,

    It is about who provides a better chance of taking wickets. Very good bowlers can have bad days against these batsman, but you have to think about the best and the worst that either of Akhter or Riaz can offer. Secondly, whether Pakistan should take risk or avoid it? If Pakistan were a better team on paper, they should avoid it. But since they aren’t, and since they must have the ‘possibility’ of penetrating, I would go with Akhter.

    Anyway they should prepare him from now on, not to bowl the no-balls and stuff.

    Another thing is that Mohali traditionally favors fast bowling in the initial overs with the new ball. Now considering this fact, I’d play Akhter hands-down.

  26. #26 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 2:09 PM

  27. #27 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 2:16 PM

    Sagaat

    These days Akhtar finds it hard to get over 90 mph. He has been bowling in the late 80s. I am pretty sure he will not be able to generate enough pace and bounce to trouble Sehwag and SRT. If these 2 were not playing I would not mind playing Akhtar.

    When was the last time you remember Akhtar taking more than 3 wickets?

    It was 4 years and that too in England.

    He may have a chance of getting 2-3 wickets against India but if that is at the expense of giving 65-70 runs then it will not be very productive. This of course depends on the match situation.

    But the essential question to me is that based on his current form and fitness do I see him troubling SRT and Sehwag? I don’t. He might be pumped up because it may be his last or penultimate match but I just think the risk is too much.

    If you remember at the start of the Cup Afridi said that Akhtar may only play the matches against the minnow teams because of his fitness. Would you play that kind of bowler in a semi final and that too against India?

  28. #28 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 2:17 PM

    Sagaat,

    Why do you think that Akhtar shouldn’t play? You think I am afraid he will be threat to India. If I thought so I would have said you. Lets get this clear, India has played Steyn and Morkel, Lee and Tait, without losing wickets to them, moreover they have taken them to cleaners. What would Akhtar, a spent force do? Sure, he could prove me wrong and get a couple of wickets. But that is not reason to think he is a threat. Anyone could take a wicket or two, so he has his chances, that’s all.

    I recall last time India played Pakistan in Asia cup, Harbhajan hit Akhtar for a few boundaries and a six also I think, he was so mad and started cursing Harbhajan. Then Harbhajan hit Amir for a six to finish the game, and Akhtar was showing peace sign.

    What has changed to make me believe he is a threat to India?

  29. #29 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 2:22 PM

    Sagaat

    I have examined Akhtar’s ODI record and the only team that has played Akhtar better than India is Australia.

    Otherwise India has played him better than every other team.

  30. #30 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 2:28 PM

    Newguy

    There was a time when India was scared of Akhtar. I remember a Test match when all Indian batsmen including SRT was ducking to almost every ball Akhtar delivered. One of the Indian commentators then conceded that Indian batsmen are worried about playing him.

    But that was in the past, now Akhtar is pretty unfit and slower. Also, because of T20 cricket batsmen are taking more chances.

    I just can’t imagine Akhtar ripping through India this time around.

    I think Riaz may be more effective because the Indians haven’t played much with him.

  31. #31 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 2:28 PM

    Khansahab,

    You are comparing Akhter with Wahab Riaz. The pitch at Mohali offers seam movement. To start with Hafeez there against Sehwag and Tendulkar may prove very expensive. You have to consider the team, the conditions, the nature of the bowler, and stuff as well. In any case that is my opinion.

    How will Riaz fare when opening the bowling? So far he has been really wayward and shown no wicket-takin ability. Akhter can be wayward, but also has wicket-takin ability. Which is the lesser of the two evils?

  32. #32 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 2:34 PM

    Sagaat

    I would open with Riaz and Gul, not Hafeez.

    I am sure the curator at Mohali will be busy preparing as spin friendly a pitch as possible because BCCI will be worried about Gul.

  33. #33 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 2:34 PM

    Newguy,

    He can take 3-4 wickets if not rip through the batting order anymore. Remember this is Mohali, not Bangroolo. Indian openers have so far played in conditions which have offered zero assistance to fast bowlers. It is like comparing Multan with Lahore. In Multan the faster you bowl, the sweeter it comes on to the bat. In Lahore you can take 2-3 wickets in the initial spell, and considering Indias strength is the openers, that is more than a lot.

    I think Akhter can come good barring the fact that he starts bowling no-balls, Kamran Akmal drops catches, and so on…

  34. #34 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 2:35 PM

    Khansahab,

    I know about that Test match where Akhtar bowled Dravid, then Tendulkar first ball .. who doesn’t know this, everyone knows it and they think he can do that now πŸ˜‰ But those days are gone, and that was Test cricket, and this is ODI. He was simply too fast and straight and it was hard to play. But that was a long time ago, he is not fit anymore and he simply cannot repeat it. We both know this, and this is all I got to say on this, I don’t really care whether he plays or not.

    What really worries me is Afridi, I agree with the commentary from that link you posted. Afridi is the inspiration for this Pak team, if he gets wickets that rallies the whole team and inspires them on field to do great things. This is the trend in all matches. Indians play out Afridi well without giving wickets, or even better hit for a few runs then Pakistan team morale will drop.

    I really do believe Afridi is the key, and Gul of course, but that is more from how he can take wickets, but Afridi threat is not at an individual level, it is at his ability to inspire the whole team if he gets wickets.

  35. #35 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 2:36 PM

    Khansahab,

    I doubt that. A spin-friendly pitch could well backfire. All of Pakistan’s batsmen are comfortable against spin bowling. But Waqar and company are there, they can see the track and make sense if there would be initial movement or not, and make the decision on those basis.

    If there is nothing in there, they should send Afridi to open. If there is something in there, then the batting order should remain the same way.

  36. #36 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 2:38 PM

    I will say this one more time, Pakistan will rise and fall with Afirid, if Pakistan defeat India and go on to win the final also, then that will be on the shoulders of inspiring performance from Afridi. Not Akhtar, or Gul, or Akmal. They all might lift their performance, but without Afiridi they are gone.

    I think India play out Afridi, then they have done 50% job done.

  37. #37 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 2:46 PM

    Newguy,

    All will have to play well if Pakistan are to beat India. If the pitch is totally flat, Afridi should open. If he gets a fast 50, 100 that will set the match up for Pakistan. As a bowler he will do well, but the overall combination of spin– that is starting with spin– may not be a good idea if the pitch offers assistance to seamers. Out of the two seamers, I’d rather play Akhter.

  38. #38 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 3:04 PM

    Sagaat,

    I have already said my view of Akhtar, I think he is a spent force, it really not worries me whether he plays or not, I prefer him than Riaz because he is a known commodity to Indians, but Riaz is not.

    As for Afridi batting, I don’t think he is going to run into form overnight, his batting is a long way off from the days he hit that 100 in Kanpur, he is now more of an attacking bowler. If he opens batting, he might mis hit in the air and give a catch. His batting is more like Yousuf Pathan these days, technically not correct.

    It is Afridi the bowler, and more importantly Afridi the inspirational captain that I am worried about.

  39. #39 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 3:10 PM

    Newguy,

    Afridi doesn’t need form to hit a big score. The way to think with Afridi is that, if he hasnt made a good score in 4-5 innings, one is due. He has this ability to show up in the big matches. Who knows it might be his day with the bat, as well.

    As far as Riaz and Akhter are concerned, I think Waqar would make the most sensible decision. That would mean looking at the pitch and deciding on that basis. If it is the traditional Mohali pitch, Akhter should play over Riaz without much thought. If its low and slow, and the second pacer apart from Gul needs to play a containing role because the spinners would attack, then it should be Riaz. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PITCH.

  40. #40 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 3:28 PM

    It seems like Sri Lanka is going to thrash England (as expected). I think they will comfortably beat NZ as well. People were over-rating England’s chances just because of the way they qualified. Winning from Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka was asking too much.

  41. #41 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 3:34 PM

    SL knows their ground so well and they are playing English spinners like club level bowlers. Sri Lankans are so good against spinners, especially on their home ground, England has no fire power to stop them.

    Only question remaining is: This Dilshan who is not a good batman, not a good bowler, and only a keep in the team because of his fielding, can he get a hundred πŸ™‚

  42. #42 by newguy on March 26, 2011 - 3:37 PM

    Australia out, SA out, England out .. only non Asian team standing in last four is NZ. Much under rated and no chance given to succeed in sub continent after 4-0 and 5-0 white wash, they are the only team along with the three asian giants. Amazing!

  43. #43 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 3:40 PM

    I wish Pakistan would play the semi-final the Premadasa. Their record at the Premadasa is excellent. But Mohali would be like Lahore. Most of the players are from Punjab so lets see if Pakistan can upset India at Mohali.

  44. #44 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 3:42 PM

    Newguy,

    LOL all the history of the hosts not winning goes to the dustbin! But can history repeat itself and Pakistan upset India. India are the favorites , no doubt…

  45. #45 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 3:49 PM

    I read somewhere that the only two teams to have been in 6 semi-finals in world cups are Pakistan and Australia. Australia has won 4 and Pakistan has won 1 world cup.

    I’d say Australia had a good chance this time around, too. But they tried to avoid India so much, and in the process not only did they get very cheap against Pakistan, but they started very defensively against India, as well. I think they went in the match having mentally lost to India. They didn’t believe they could win. What we saw in the world cup was a very un-Australian, in fact Pakistani, brand of cricket. And, under Waqar and Afridi, Pakistan are playing the Australian brand of cricket. Which is to not worry about the opposition and just express yourself.

  46. #46 by Mohammed Munir on March 26, 2011 - 3:54 PM

    I agree with Sagaat, the Mohali pitch will neither help the spinners nor the pacers. India is going to make ‘batters paradise’ and ‘bowlers graveyard’ in Mohali for sure. This is their strength and they are going to exploit it period.

    BTW, this is an ICC event and why the hosts have all the say in what type of pitch should be. I mean look at what India gave to Australia and Sri Lanka is also playing three full time spinners today. 😦

    This is so not fair.

    What the fcuk ICC is doing here ❓

  47. #47 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 4:03 PM

    Mohammad Munir,

    If that is the case, then it would become 50-50. India’s all the slow-bowlers and medium-pacers would become redundant, too. ON SUCH A PITCH AFRIDI MUST OPEN.

  48. #48 by Mohammed Munir on March 26, 2011 - 4:11 PM

    Sagaat,

    Yes, but then the Toss will come into play a role. Plus India’s batting is way better and more aggressive than Pakistan.

  49. #49 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 4:12 PM

    This team Sri Lanka, they are not good batmen and not good bowlers but the only reason they are a KEEP in the tournament is bakoz of their chuckers.

  50. #50 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 4:18 PM

    Munir,

    It depends. This is why Afridi should open on such a pitch. Attacking players need to spend the maximum time. The two Akmals hit the ball with eyes closed anyway. Then there is Razzaq who can also come to the party. Sehwag is attaccking and Yuvraj is attacking, and Tendulkar can attack if provided a chance πŸ˜‰

    On the other hand their defense constitutes Ghambir and Dhoni, whereas Pakistan has the ultra-defensive Younis and Misbah.

    It is anyone’s game. On a flat pitch you don’t need to bat 100 overs. Its just 50, so the differences in batting strength are condensed when fewer players get out. In a way it gives Pakistan a better chance, because their players average lower but can be even more attacking. The more you condense it by way of flattening the pitch, the more it becomes a 20/20– Pakistans strength.

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 5:26 PM

    khansahab

    About this thread, there is a French expression which sums up the meaning in one sentence and it is, “Tout a une fin est un resultat.” Which means Everything has an end result. This is the result of an era that dominated the cricketing world for 11 years and 11 months, prior to this it was the West Indies who dominated the world stage but, then they got decimated. However, in case of Australia they will not get decimated or go into oblivion. They will bounce back, if not today but, tomorrow. Because, their infrastructure is not like that of the West Indies. They know how to harness their talent unlike the West Indies the talent is wasted because their cricket board is similar to that of Pakistan’s cricket board.

    I dunno much about maths, perhaps Sagaat the mathematical genius and the future bookie πŸ˜€ would be able to explain the logic behind this expression: “N +1 is a way to define the infinite, not proof of its reality.” Based on this logic it would be wrong that ​​”everything has an end,” it is a purely formal logic or sophistry. Indeed, everything has an end remains to be done, to achieve, to verify practically the opposite of the proposition “the result of the integers has no end”? Sagaat what have you got to say about it? If you don’t then we will put an end to this thread and as per Munir’s insistence, we will go for another one which is more demanding and it is indeed the need of the hour and i.e., INDIA vs. PAKISTAN clash at Mohali.

  52. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 5:30 PM

    Btw, no one is talking about the emphatic win that Sri Lanka made against the English team, it was only Pakistan who defeated the WI by ten wickets and created a world record and a few days later Sri Lanka broke or equaled the record but, in much better style by scoring so many runs and both openers scoring a century each. This is contrary to my predictions and also that of the fraudster Moulvi. πŸ˜€

    Sri Lanka now has a definite chance of reaching the final in Mumbai. But, you never know cricket is a funny game and the black caps may pull the rugs under the Lankan’s feet, you never know but, it will be done before the Mohali semifinal.

  53. #53 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 5:44 PM

    India are favourites and Dhoni is a better captain than Afridi: Imran Khan

  54. #54 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 5:55 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    Indian Tax Commissioner has proclaimed that India will lose the semi final because crores of rupees have been bet on India’s victory and now bookies will ask certain players to underperform.

    In his opinion a deal has already been made between the bookies and the Indian dressing room.

  55. #55 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 6:46 PM

    GROUNDman will be busy making totally flate track in Pakistan India match so that Pakistan can’t exercise seam or spin advantage: Basit Ali

  56. #56 by khansahab on March 26, 2011 - 10:29 PM

    The news I have received is that Shoaib Akhtar has fitness problems. I think he will not play any further matches and this is the end of his carrier: Basit Ali

  57. #57 by Sagaat on March 26, 2011 - 10:58 PM

    Javed Khan,

    What the statement says is that N+1 is just a definition of infinite, not a proof. In other words something not ought to be true if we can simply define it in some way. The statement is actually a definition so it doesn’t make any claim whatsoever what actually ‘is’. Simply, nothing can be based on this logic.

    However, I remember reading somewhere, that if something can exist in definition, it must exist in fact. I am not too sure about its logic though.

    Here’s my proof of the infinite: If you take a piece of wood, and cut into half, and continue doing so, you can always find a piece of wood to cut into another half. Since this must be true, there are infinite pieces of some particle that constitue wood. Its negation would be the non-existence of that substance after a point in time, which would mean if we cut the piece of wood again and again, we can reduce part of it into nothing. If that is true, then we can reduce the whole of it into nothing. But then something can and can’t exist at the same time, which is a contradiction. Therefore, the former must hold true. LOL

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 11:02 PM

    Imran Khan is a getting insane by the day to give such statements against his own team. Someone should stuff old smelly pair of socks in his mouth and seal it up with a duct tape. He is losing respect by the day, he was lucky to win the 1992 WC because of certain players like Javed Miandad in his team. The win got so much inside his head that he considers himself as a legend, if you look at his stats they are pretty mediocre 300 wickets and 3000 runs it is nothing compared to Afridi’s 313 plus wickets and 6600 runs in ODI plus a two world records of fastest centuries and the highest number of sixes and the highest strike rate in ODI. Even in the T20 he is either number one or two in the bowling department after Umar Gul.

    On cricinfo Shahid Afridi’s profile says this:

    “Of Shahid Afridi it can safely be said that cricket never has and never will see another like him. To say he is an all-rounder is to say Albert Einstein was a scientist; it tells a criminally bare story.”

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 11:22 PM

    khansahab

    Last night I saw this guy Basit Ali on a TV program in which the moulvi also comes, Basit has not only become fat but, he looks like an uncouth Duddoo. I remember when he was in the team and during a tour to the West Indies, Tony Greg interviewed him and asked him who is his favourite player? He said, Javed bhai is my “idle” and I always take TIP from Javed Bhai. Then Tony Greg asked Miandad, “Javed I heard you give tips to Basit Ali, so what kinda tips you give him?” Javed Miandad replied, “yeah whenever and wherever he want a tip I give him a tip, a tip here and a tip there and a tip everywhere.” Tony then asked Inzamam, “inzi do you enjoy playing cricket? Inzi replied, “Yes I play cricket and I happy.” πŸ˜€

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 26, 2011 - 11:26 PM

    khansahab this video link that you have posted, I doubt that this Income Tax Commissioner’s statement is true? To me it seems like this is some kinda warning to the Indian cricket team that if you fix this match and lose against Pakistan then the people of India are already aware of this match fixing business now, so better be careful if you lose the public will not spare you.

    Whether that bookie Agrawal is really fixing the match with the players or not, people are already saying that Dhoni has been bought and that is the reason he has not performed in this tournament at all. It is also obvious from Dhoni’s body language that he is taking everything very easy and not bothered to improve his batting. His highest score in the tournament is 22, is that right?

  61. #61 by Mohammed Munir on March 27, 2011 - 4:48 AM

    Almost all the comments are about India and Pakistan game here.

    But we still don’t have a new thread for that and we are talking about India/ Pakistan on an Austrailan thread. 😦

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 27, 2011 - 5:50 AM

    Munir

    Shore nai machao ziyada, there will be a new thread soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon. Watch out for it.

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on March 27, 2011 - 6:19 AM

    THERE IS A NEW THREAD PLEASE POST YOUR COMMENTS THERE, THANK YOU.

  64. #64 by Mohammed Munir on March 27, 2011 - 8:26 AM

    I am posting this comment here and not on the new thread, because it relates more to the above comments.

    <Javed Khan …

    No one, I repeat, NO ONE ever will be able to say anything with surety about future.

    Ilm-e-Ghaib (Knowledge of Unknown), or confirmed knowledge of future is not a human trait and not even the Prophets and Messengers were given this knowledge. So that ARY TV Mullah or anyone, all they are doing is some guess work, however, they have some limited knowledge (studies) or sources like the Parrot, Numerology, Spirituality (Roohaani Ilm), etc.

    I do watch that ARY program and I don’t really believe what he says and you are right that he doesn’t even knows the names of players or general information about cricket. Nevertheless, that Mullah is predicting some interesting guesses so far. πŸ™‚

    There are four type of predictions they take on that ARY grogram, one by Parrot guy (Faal Nikaalna), secondly the Professor of Numerology, thirdly this Mulla by his Spritual powers, and fourthly Basit Ali gives his opinion based on the game using his cricket knowledge.

    BTW, about Sri Lanka and England match all four of them predicted Sri Lanka (you predicted England) πŸ˜‰ but Basil and that Professor said it will be a hard fought game and in the end Sri Lanka will win. But if you see the prediction of that Mullah, he said that it will be a very easy will for Sri Lanka and more interestingly he said that Dilshan and Murli will perform better. The final result, Dilshan & Murli performed and Sri Lankan won without any sweat. Secondly, this Mullah always start his prediction by saying that (Meray Mahdood Ilm Kay Mutabiq) … meaning that … with my LIMITED knowledge, which means he is not boasting about it.

    My reason for narrating all this is not to prove that this Mullah is correct or not, but to say that like all others, he is also there to earn his livelihood and if in doing so he can make a few peoples happy, why not ❓ πŸ˜‰

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