LORGAT AND HIS STING OPERATION

HAROON LORGAT- WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS? RAMBO, TERMINATOR, GEORGE DUBIYA BUSH OR IJAZ BUTT?

HAROON LORGAT- WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS? RAMBO, TERMINATOR, GEORGE DUBIYA BUSH OR IJAZ BUTT?

Here is a link from today’s DAWN newspaper which confirms that the ICC is planning to operate a “Sting Operation” to trap players who may possible get involved with bookies to fix matches. The ICC will use their own James Bond to trap the players who may be willing to cooperate with the bookies in betting and match fixing.  Here is what Mr. Lorgat has said in his statement published in today’s DAWN newspaper, Karachi.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/12/icc-considered-trapping-players-prepared-to-fix-matches.html

Mr. Haroon Lorgat the CEO of the ICC has gone overboard in showing his enthusiasm to curb and to eradicate betting and match fixing. In my opinion it is a wishful thinking on his part because you cannot spare the players from the pangs of betting, match fixing by the bookies mafia, they are everywhere and they are too many and they have huge resources.

This problem is not new, its been in the game for over three (3) decades and here is a time-line of booking and match fixing, click the link below and read. You will be surprised to know how many countries and who else is involved in it. By the way this article: “Match Fixing in Cricket: A Time line” is written by Anirban Choudhury and not by a Pakistani or, I have cooked up these stories,  I have never hesitated in calling a spade, a spade. But, this is not just my view, I am only presenting it to the bloggers to read it.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/blogs/theplayingfield/match-fixing-cricket-timeline-20100829-034146-169.html

Mr. Lorgat’s decision to implement this so-called great idea is going to backfire because, it is not prudent in fact it is absurd and ridiculous. Mr. Lorgat appears like Rambo, Terminator, George Dubiya Bush or does he think he is Ijaz Butt? We all know that the ICC is not an impartial organization, in fact it is very biased against Pakistan and a few other small test playing nations. But, they definitely have a very soft corner for Australia, England, South Africa and India.  India, because of their financial muscle which they so often show it to the ICC and intimidate them. 

Reportedly, 60% of the ICC income is coming from India alone, so there you go, you know why they bend over backwards for India.  India did not want the hot-spot technology in the ICC WC 2011 and it did not happen.  Yesterday, Mr. Srinivasan Secretary to the board of the BCCI declared that they will oppose the UDRS in future and now Mr. Lorgat is in a fix, he doesn’t know what to do?

Coming back to the point of this so-called Sting Operation the ICC can use it as a very effective tool to get rid of any key player (most likely a Pakistani) first by way of entrapment i.e., recording the statements by using audio / video technology and by luring the player to comment something by putting words in their mouth and using difficult words which these uneducated uncouth players are not familiar with and it is possible that they may blab anything (it is just like the media putting words in the mouth of the person they interview and then they publish the report the way they want it by sensationalizing it) and, the ICC can also alter, modify and change the truth by editing and deleting keywords and making it look like the player is a real culprit.  This is very sad, this is ENTRAPMENT and in the court of law other than narcotics cases, entrapment is illegal.

If Mr. Lorgat wants to eradicate betting and match fixing he should not target players but, the bookies.  There are several well known bookies all over the world and they not only have billions of dollars but, they even have the power to intimidate the players, their families and relatives and practically they can do anything they want to do, change the lives of these players, make it or break it or, ruin it.  I am sure Mr. Lorgat does not have the means to even think about touching the bookies.  All he is doing right now is to please Cricket Australia, England Cricket Board, South African Cricket Board and the BCCI.  In my opinion this is like an ostrich burying its head in the sand and believing that no one can see him.

Mr. Lorgat wake up and smell coffee.  There are more important issues for you to handle than this entrapment business, don’t consider yourself as the Policeman of the World.

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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2011 - 4:42 AM

    Please write your comments here on this new thread, THANK YOU.

  2. #2 by khansahab on May 13, 2011 - 6:02 PM

    Ijaz Butt thinks he has eradicated player power but the fact is that, there are really no powerful players anymore who hold any clout except Afridi and Misbah.

    Gone are those days when the same team would have Yousuf, Younis, Malik, Afridi, Akhtar, AKmal.

    Plus, we have seen the pathetic behaviour of U Akmal- what does this show? Player power is still there. On almost every tour some players are warned or reprimanded for breach of tour rules such as speaking to the media or going out at night and coming back late.

  3. #3 by khansahab on May 13, 2011 - 6:05 PM

    Munir sahab

    A few days ago you asked me about the Net Utility analysis and where I got the idea from.

    I started thinking about it from the Pakspin days really, and after considering that there must be a way to ensure that people can agree on players’ calibre more.

    We discuss certain factors all the time such as batting average, strike rate, this and that, but the N.U incorporates EVERYTHING in one number. So, it makes comparison fairer and easier.

  4. #4 by khansahab on May 13, 2011 - 6:07 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I agree that Pakistani players would be targeted more if these sting operations are commenced.

    However an honest player will try to not only reject the advances of the bookies but also report suspicious people to the ICC.

    So, I have mixed feelings about it. If it helps eradicate corrupt players why not go for it?

    If you think about the sting operation on Yasir Hameed- it was personally disgraceful for Hameed (who was punished) and the PCB, but it successfully removed any doubts that were lingering upon whether match fixing is really rife in cricket or not. In that video Hameed questions how Asif managed to acquire so much wealth and I think he also admits that the spot fixing trio were guilty.

    Sure, the ICC is biased against Pakistan and this will give the West and India another reason to malign and disgrace Pakistan. But if corruption is eradicated in this way, so be it.

  5. #5 by amir on May 13, 2011 - 6:13 PM

    hi guys
    someone following test between pak and windies? Getting quite interesting. Pakistan now 80/5 against this third class windies bowling.

  6. #6 by Mohammed Munir on May 13, 2011 - 6:21 PM

    Amir …

    Thanks for the good news, they are 6 down now. 😦

    Bichhoo is ‘dussing’ them. 😉

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2011 - 6:27 PM

    Somehow Pakistan has this knack of making an ordinary player into a celebrity and Bishoo is becoming one, courtesy Pakistan. They are 94/6 in 43 overs. Look at Misbah’s pathetic strike rate he scored 2 in 13 balls. On top of that he dropped 2 simple regulation catches right through his BUCKET LIKE HANDS.…. Ramiz Raja’s Tub like mouth.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 13, 2011 - 6:48 PM

    Comments from cricinfo commentary:

    Subbu: “Is Bishoo the next big thing in cricket ? His Big test is comming in few days, when he bowls to the indian Batsmen.” Should be fun …

    Ali: “…It is a snake, it is a bichoo (scorpion)…no its bishoo!” Haha!

    That is what I wrote about Bishoo above that Pakistan has the knack of making ordinary players into celebrities. I don’t think Sehwag is going to West Indies because of his shoulder injury, he would have taken Bishoo to the cleaners.

  9. #9 by khansahab on May 13, 2011 - 7:22 PM

    Misbah only scores runs on flat decks: Michael Holding

  10. #10 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2011 - 12:25 AM

    Imagine, Abdur Rahman is the top scorer for Pakistan, scoring 40 not out. What a shame for Misbah the Champion player.

    Khansahab

    Holding forgot to mention that he CREEPS at a run rate of below 50 in ODI and T20 and in test his strike rate is only 15.38

  11. #11 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2011 - 12:33 AM

    With a lead of 100 runs and 8 wickets in hands WI is in a good position whereas, for Pakistan to bat in the 4th innings and score 200 plus would be an enormous task especially in view of this batting performances by these great players who are unable to play Bishoo. He started his test debut with a 4 in the first innings and no one knows how many more he will take in the second innings when the wicket will break further.

    Hafeez is creating a record of getting DS Smith out on a regular basis. In this test match he got him twice and prior to that in the T20 he got him and probably 4 times in the ODI’s. So, it is almost 6-7 times in a short series like this is a kinda record I guess?

  12. #12 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 8:08 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Misbah is a negative player. He is so determined not to take risks that he would rather look painfully slow and pathetic.

    What a misfortune that this guy is the captain. I think in the absence of Afridi, Ajmal or U Akmal would be better captains.

  13. #13 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 8:11 AM

    What a humiliating performance. I think the WC performance was just a fluke. Pakistanis are so demoralised that they will only perform at the biggest stage of them all. Otherwise they are content to play negative cricket. If the whole team is performing like this it is difficult to get rid of one particular player. So, all the players know they can’t be dropped.

  14. #14 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 8:31 AM

    Afridi dismisses Laxman, Ganguly and Tendulkar in memorable Test match:

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2011 - 9:34 AM

    khansahab

    I think the best ball that he bowled was when he got out Ganguly, the ball spun so much that Ganguly couldn’t believe he was clean bowled, he stood there assuming he was inside the crease and Kamran Akmal whipped off the bails and he was telling the umpire he was inside the line. Little did he realize that he was bowled and not stumped. Simon Taufel had to show his finger 4-5 times to make Ganguly move. This ball turned much more than the one the Australians claim of Shane Warne when he bowled Mike Gatting from behind his legs and they call it the ball of the century. Whereas, this ball was pitched so wide of the off stump and turned so much that it shattered middle and leg stump. I would call this as the ball of the century.

  16. #16 by amir on May 14, 2011 - 11:16 AM

    khansahab
    on misbah’s negativity he must b confused now that how to draw this match frm here. I think he only plays for draw and personel batting average. Got feeling that chander and sarwan wil score today and pakistan wil loose with more than hundred runs. They made bowlers lyk bissho and sammy world beaters. In between u akmal is highly over rated talented for what if he cnt keep his head down and play according to situation.

  17. #17 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 11:51 AM

    Amir

    I agree with you; have you noticed how often U Akmal is getting out in 30s?

    The primary focus of these batsmen has been to score 30 and cement their place in the next match. At the moment youngsters are playing to make 30 and Misbah just plays for himself. You know these stupid shots he plays and gets out on- the only reason why he attempts them is because he doesn’t want to hit conventional strokes. He has hitting capability and he has shown this on many occasions- but he resorts to these weird shots because he feels there is less risk with them.

    Sammy is a 3rd class bowler, only Pakistanis can make him look so good.

    Do you remember how they made this Indian bowler look so good in the T20 WC? I can’t remember his name, maybe it was Joginder Sharma or something who took Misbah’s wicket in the end. Do you remember Robin Singh, he was a mediocre bowler but much better than this Sharma.

  18. #18 by amir on May 14, 2011 - 1:00 PM

    khansahib
    agree with u if u remember in early ninties phil simons used to terrorise only our batsman. I cnt forget his one spell in sydney where he bowled 10 overs and only gave 6 runs or somthing and got 4 wickets. Dnt understand why third class bowlers always perform well against pakistan.

  19. #19 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 5:25 PM

    Chanderpaul is playing like Misbah.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2011 - 8:02 PM

    amir and khansahab

    It is good to see your analysis so accurate and pinpointing the deficiencies in Pakistan batting. Now, Misbah if he wants to create history has to play an innings of his life time to save this match, winning is not his forte. He is a negative player. From now it is up to Asad Shafiq and Umar Akmal to score runs, Abdur Rahman cannot bat the same way as he did in the first innings. Ajmal got his career best 11 wickets haul in test cricket but, this is pathetic West Indies team and none of the fast bowlers are able to get wickets like spinners, whereas for WI, Ravi Rampaul and Sammy got wickets even Roach. So, our Gully and Wahabi both proved to be impotent on this pitch.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2011 - 8:06 PM

    amir

    Yes I remember that spell of Phil Simmons who is now Irish coach I guess? He not only terrorized with his bowling but, with batting also. He was another Andrew Symonds for Pakistan. Pakistan made Mendis a hero and now he is back to the planet earth. Lara, Tendulkar and Kapil Dev started their career from Pakistan and they became world famous. Not denying Lara and Tendulkar’s capabilities they are world class but, Kapil was just an ordinary bowler. India wanted to play him till the end to break Richard Hadlee’s record.

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2011 - 8:15 PM

    Taufiq Umar is a useless player. Actually the selectors are idiots that they keep bringing him back after repeated failures. A player who is brought into the side after repeated failures is already under pressure to perform so he would never be able to play his natural game. Secondly, he is not a player to be considered in to the national team. I wonder why HAMMAD AZAM is not in the team? They should play Asad Shafiq and Hafeez as openers and Misbah should come at number 3. With Azhar Ali, Umar Akmal and Hammad Azam they have three more talented batsmen to back up. I think even Mohammad Yousuf would have been better than Misbah.

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 14, 2011 - 8:18 PM

    LOL Pakistan were 3 DOWN for 2 runs only! It appeared that they wanted to finish off the game today.

  24. #24 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 8:28 PM

    What a performance from veteran Taufeeq Umar.

    What a talent!!!! Brian Lara must be so jealous.

  25. #25 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 8:33 PM

    BREAKING NEWS

    PAKISTAN CRICKET ROCKED BY FRESH CRISIS. WERE ZULQERNAIN HAIDER AND SARFRAZ NAWAZ RIGHT?

    Akram Raza Arrested
    BREAKING NEWS

    Former test cricketer Akram Raza is arrested by Lahore Police.
    He was caught red handed in Gulberg area of Lahore while betting on IPL matches, according to reports.

  26. #26 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 8:48 PM

    Akram Raza is a former Test cricketer who played 9 Tests and 49 ODI’s.

    He is also an umpire.

    Betting on sport is illegal in Pakistan.

    Raza’s name was mentioned in the Qayyum report which was unfortunately not implemented in letter and spirit.

  27. #27 by Salman on May 14, 2011 - 9:43 PM

    I reckon Pakistan is going to win this match. Names like Devendar, Rampal, Chandarpal and Ram Naresh should give them extra motivation.

  28. #28 by khansahab on May 14, 2011 - 9:49 PM

    Salman

    Names like those didn’t motivate them in the WC!!

    In fact Misbah loses the plot against names like that.

    I hope he just thinks about nationality here and not race or religion 😉

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2011 - 12:50 AM

    Salman

    Pakistanis don’t play with vengeance they aren’t like Gambhir and Harbhajan. They may have a personal grudge against one or two players but, not against India or Hindus. May be there are individuals like Sohail Tanvir who was so frustrated when ignored by the IPL that he said, this is Hindu mentality. But, that is not Pakistan’s voice, he is just one uncouth idiot.

    Btw, I have one question for you. Have you ever been to Pakistan? If so, I would like you to narrate your experience about how you were treated by the police, immigration and the bureaucrats? I have an incredible experience on one of my visits to India and I plan to write it as a separate thread. Although it is a cricket blog but, we are very open and discuss almost everything here and we don’t censor or edit comments.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2011 - 12:53 AM

    khansahab

    I am waiting for the day when they will arrest Wasim Akram, because he is the father of all the betting and match fixings. People think he is clean but, he was not penalized by Justice Qayyum because of his celebrity status, that was a mistake he should have been banned like Saleem Malik, Ijaz Ahmad and Ata ur Rahman. But, you see in Pakistan everything is possible, Ijaz was rewarded with the post of fielding coach and also manager of U-19 team of Pak. Waqar was banned from taking any official job related to international cricket in Pakistan and currently he is head coach of the team.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2011 - 1:31 AM

    “Sunai hai jungalaon ka bhi koi dastoor hota hai
    Suna hai Sher ka jab pait bhur jata hai tou vo hamla nahee kerta
    Suna hai hawa kay tez jhonkon may Maina apnay ghar ko bhool kay Kuwway kay undaon ko pairon may thaam leti hai
    Suna hai ghonslay say jab koi buccha giray tou sara jungle jaag jata hai
    Sunai hai jab sailaab ajaye tou lakri kay taqtay par Saanp, Cheeta aur Bakri sath hotay hain
    Munsifo meray mulk may bhee ab junglaon ka koi dastoor lay aao.


    RASHID MAQSOOD.

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2011 - 1:32 AM

    Jab Jungle ki baat nikli hai tou Tarzan yaad aya

    Tarzan aur saaray jaanwar nahanay kay liyeh river pay jaatay hain
    Tarzan apna Kuccha utaarta hai, aur saaray jaanwar hus nay lagtay hain.
    Tarzan, WHAT???
    LOL……. your tail is in the front !

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2011 - 1:35 AM

    What is the difference between KAMRAN and KONDOM?
    KAMRAN drops catches, KONDOM catches the drops.

  34. #34 by Mohammed Munir on May 15, 2011 - 9:32 AM

    LOL @ Salman.

    Only yesterday someone was telling me that these ‘West Indians’ likes Rampal & Bishoo are ‘bothering’ Pakistani players more.

    BTW, if it was in the names then it would not have been only the names like Devendara, Rampal, Chandarpal & Ram Naresh, but also the entire “West INDIES” that should motivate Pakistan, but then again … gone are the days. 😦

  35. #35 by Mohammed Munir on May 15, 2011 - 9:37 AM

    Pakistan and West Indies first Test match is at an interesting point and no matter what, draw in not an option. Since it is only three days, I think, the result is imminent unless rain continues for good part of two remaining days.

    Mohammed Hafeez failed with the bat in both the innings, however, he is proving to be useful at least with his bowling option, particularly when two of our four specialist bowlers, namely Umer Gul and Wahab Riaz, are totally off-colour.

    I agree with Khansahab & Javed Khan, Taufiq Umer is absolutely useless and it is very unfortunately that these failed player keep getting selected back into the team every now and then. Hammaz Azam is a much better choice and opening with Azhar Ali will also give Pakistan an additional bowling option with medium-pace of Hammad Azam, who can bat in the middle order. But as I have mentioned before, Waqar Younis – The Coach, is not very fond of Hammad and have his doubts about the guy. 😦 For the next Test, Hammad Azam should come in to replace Toufiq Umer, while one of the fast bowlers Junaid Khan/ Tanvir Ahmed should come in to replace either of Gul/ Riaz.

    So far in this match none of the Pakistani players have shown any exceptional performance except for Saeed Ajmal and if Pakistan is still in the game then it is thanks to Ajmal only.

    On the other hand, Pakistan have recovered well from 3 down at 2 runs to reach 80 without further loss of wickets and MissyBaba & Asad Shafiq are not doing bad so bad, so far. That said, their main test will be the first few overs of the day 4 when the ball will be seaming and bowlers will have advantage, and if these two batsmen survive the morning session then I think Pakistan should bag the game.

    I don’t have any high hopes from Umer Akmal or Salman (wtk), so for Pakistan to win this first Test one of the existing two batsmen have to play all the way.

    About Umer Akmal, have anyone noticed that each time he gets out due to his silly shots, he makes a ‘cry-baby’ face and gives an expression as if he can never get out before his century mark, and as if he is very hurt and in deep shock to loose his Effing wicket. Pathetic Daramaybaaz.

  36. #36 by Mohammed Munir on May 15, 2011 - 9:39 AM

    Nice new thread and that too on a very important and serious issue.

    It seems, this guy Haroon Dhobi-Ghat is out of his mind. I mean seriously, how does he plan to run traps for corrupt players ❓

    In the best interest of this game, which is already one of the most prone to corruption, ICC should sit with the member boards and try to tackle the problems logically rather then in a ‘dick-tatorial’ way. When ICC themselves have some flaws in their own management and every now and then we hear peoples talking about their own working ethics then how can they monitor other criminals ❓

    Who will decide which players to target, and how will anyone know if the actual culprits are always prosecuted and not let-off against ‘some considerations’. Furthermore, what, if any, will be the role of the cricket boards in all this, who actually employ and own these players ❓ Or is it under ICC jurisdiction to directly go and target, run-a-sting-operation, trap, persecute and finally punish whomever they wish.

    ICC today is showing obvious signs of being very biased and unfair organization and they have different set of standards for their various members which are based first and foremost on commercial significances, besides many other levels. The case in sight is the harshest rather ruthless handling and penalizing of the three Pakistani players, where as so many of the other ‘tainted’ players are completely let-off the hook. Here I am not trying to protect the three Pakistani players rather I am asking similarly investigations/ punishments of other players whose names have been synonymous with match-fixings of some levels. The players like Suresh Raina, Dilshan, Gibbs, Shane Warne, Mark Waugh, etc. etc.

    The ICC have definitely lost their credibility and in their books all players, all teams and all boards are not treated at par.

  37. #37 by amir on May 15, 2011 - 9:42 AM

    JAK
    lol @ jokes. Test match is stil in balance but i dnt fancy pakistan to win it i agree with u that misbah has to play best innings of his life for pakistan to win it. Also think that umar guls days as test cricketer are also numbered he should concentrate on limited over cricket. He bowles too short or too ful. Pakistan need to find atleast two new fast bowlers who can bowl consistantly on good length.

  38. #38 by khansahab on May 15, 2011 - 2:12 PM

    30 run Asad Shafiq is OUT.

    Malik and Misbah’s legacy lives…..

  39. #39 by khansahab on May 15, 2011 - 2:17 PM

    Taufeeq Umar’s interview after his miraculous match winning batting:

    Khansahab: So Taufeeq, the baaler were giving you a room and you proved to be a youngsta beauty?

    TU: Yaa daafinitly. it was deciyen of Ijaz Butt to include me. i am agree with his veeyan. Amran Paee had expectation farm me. i am play well.

    Khansahab: Taufeeq, breaking records of Lara and Tendulkar, worldwide fame and acclaim and millions of fans- what more does TU want from his life?

    TU: Well i wana play more of townty townty in IPL bakaoz money good and exciting game, daafinitly.

    Khansahab: Well thank you TU, you have done wonders upon your return and the country is proud of you

    TU: daafinitly, o koi naee……

  40. #40 by khansahab on May 15, 2011 - 3:46 PM

    Misbah made only 10 more runs than Shafiq. He will have a 50 to his name and will surely escape criticism. However I am disappointed with Shafiq as well. It is clear Shafiq is only concerned with scoring 30 or 40 and staying in the team.

    U Akmal has never single handledy won a match, let’s see what he does today.

  41. #41 by khansahab on May 15, 2011 - 6:29 PM

    Pathetic team loses yet another match.

    Neither of Asad Shafiq or Umar Akmal have match winning ability and unfortunately they are being guided by a match loser whose goal is into to play selfishly and secure selection for the next match.

    Disappointment for Pakistan that U Akmal who was the next Viv Richards or Tendulkar for Pakistan has not learned anything in 2 years.

    Shafiq’s career is nearing its end and he needs to score converting 30s into 100s- he cannot expect the same level of tolerance from the masses that players like U Akmal and Shahzad have benefited from.

  42. #42 by khansahab on May 15, 2011 - 7:02 PM

    “I Have No Plans to Give up the Captaincy” : Shahid Afridi

  43. #43 by JAVED A. KHAN on May 15, 2011 - 7:04 PM

    We have a new thread please post your comments there. Thanks

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