WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF INDIA PAKISTAN CRICKET?

The question that is being raised by many in the sub-continent is, “what is the future of cricket in the sub-continent?” Especially in the test cricket department both teams are on the verge of decline, in fact Pakistan is already at the rock bottom and, India from the so-called NUMERO UNO position as a test team is getting a real drubbing at the hands of England and they are expected to be whitewashed at the hands of English players.  What is the reason for this decline?

Too much shorter versions of the game? Too much cricket being played these days?  Blame the cricket boards, the IPL or the players themselves? I will blame the players more than the boards and institutions for being greedy and inconsiderate towards the test cricket and even for international cricket.  For every defeat they have an excuse.  An excuse for injuries, an excuse for too many matches, an excuse for lack of match practice, an excuse for lack of rest and, you name it they have a reason, especially Dhoni. So far, he was riding on his luck because, his own performance for quite some time is zilch and his winnings kept him in the spot.  If India had lost the WC semifinal at Mohali, Dhoni certainly would have been axed. But, that win cleaned his slate and he thought he will be riding on the lady luck once again.  But, test matches have revealed his weakness and that of many other players in the side.

Not only the batting with the exception of a few, their bowling is so pathetic that “The Broad” is turning out to be an all-rounder from a mediocre bowler.  Indian bowling is at its low. I wonder why this is happening, I know historically they have this redundancy and mediocrity in the fast bowling department but, at least one or two of their spinners have dominated the foreign teams. With Kumble gone, Harbhajan out of form, the Indian bowling attack looks extremely impotent and docile. What is the BCCI going to do now? Do they have replacements?  I doubt, there is any bowler who can be a threat to the opposition.  Ohja, Mishra, Chawla, Ashwin, Yousuf Pathan etc., are just mediocre spinners. Between OMCA and YP, I would prefer the later because of his batting advantage.  There is no Bedi, Prassanna, Chandrashekhar and Venkataraghavan in the team.  That was the best spinning options India ever had, but those days India never won any major tournaments or even a series against WI, Australia and England (may be I am wrong), yet they are remembered for taunting and troubling the opposition.

Sachin tendulkar what happens to India when he is gone?

Sachin tendulkar what happens to India when he is gone?

If India needs to rebuild their test team after Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman (TDL) they need to find players like Jaffar in the opening slot along with Sehwag and Gambhir should change his role from an opener to no. 4 i.e., to consolidate the team.  Kohli has better temperament than UV and Raina so he should be at number 3.    Dhoni, needs to reassess and re-evaluate his own performance and must focus on his batting and wicketkeeping, his captaincy is not that great its just his luck that he won so many matches as a captain.  I still reckon Ganguly as a better captain than Dhoni or it wouldn’t be wrong to call him as the best Indian captain so far, better than MAK Pataudi, Wadekar and Azharuddin.

At least there is some spark, some hope in the Indian cricket camp that they will recover and rejuvenate as a fighting team, coming to Pakistan, there is no spark, no hope Ijaz Butt kay Raj may raakh ka dhair hai jis may shola hai na chingari.  Sifarish hai, Butt Dharmi hai, Toofaan-e- Butt Tameezi hai, Tabahi aur Barbadi hai. The irony is koipoochnay wala nahee hai, koi roke nay wala nahee hai, Butt Dharmi hee nahee Butt Maani aur Bay Imani bhee hai.

Talking about Pakistani players, if the Captain is such an old Miss fart who has such negative mentality, what results do you expect from others?   On top of pathetic performance and negative cricket combined with corruption has ruined and destroyed the name of the country which has already been quarantined and isolated  from the rest of the world because of terrorism for which Ijaz Butt is solely responsible for not making adequate security measures and efforts and his stubbornness in not apologizing to the Govt. of Sri Lanka or, its board of cricket or, even the players is an example of rude, uncouth, uneducated  behaviour that reflects on ALL, it makes people think that ALL of Pakistan is like that! What a shame, what a disgrace to the nation Ijaz Butt is.  Since no one can remove him from his post, let us all make a CONGREGATIONAL PRAYER AND ASK ALLAH TO TAKE HIM BACK AND HAND HIM OVER TO THE DEVIL.

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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 7, 2011 - 3:20 PM

    THIS NEW THREAD NEEDS YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE START COMMENTING HERE, THANKS

  2. #2 by NaikSukant on August 7, 2011 - 4:24 PM

    I think Badrinath or Pujara should bat at no.3 instead of Kohli.Spin department is very poor after Bhajji’s lack of form.But I think Ojha is better bowler among others.

  3. #3 by Pawan on August 8, 2011 - 1:20 AM

    Javed

    The selectors are to be blamed for this poor show from the Indian players.
    Forget about the “foreign” conditions, if India has to dominate world cricket,
    it has to come out trumps on any surface.
    The selectors have to choose players accordingly and keep a second string team ready.
    India is really feeling the lack of good bowlers as you have pointed out.

    I want to ask Kris Srikant the purpose of including the following players-
    1. Abhimanyu Mithun – complete moron has no variation
    2. Abinav Mukund – idiotic pusher
    3. Murali Vijay – no clue who he is

    Did he gave them chance only because they were from Tamil Nadu?

    Clearly these three players have lacked the basic talent to go on to the international level

    Other players with limited ability that have been wasted due to dumb selection –
    1. Saha – useless donkey
    2. Ojha – sir pe bojha
    3. Parthiv Patel – forever 17
    Pappu chawla etc. The list goes on and on..

  4. #4 by Bichoo on August 8, 2011 - 12:08 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Timely post. I want to mention SL too here. Since after the retirement of “Chak De” Murali they are finding it difficult to win a Test match even at home. SL has never won Test matches in India, let alone a series, apart from never winning a Test in Australia or South Africa. SL hardly plays many Test matches outside of their own home conditions anyway. Test cricket is not their forte either.

    SL will fall back to T20 / ODI mode.

  5. #5 by Bichoo on August 8, 2011 - 12:11 PM

    Pawan,

    You can’t throw names (players) at a problem. You need to get to the root of the problem. Which the Indian system hasn’t done so far. Players like Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Kumble, Sehwag, Zaheer all were created inspite of the system, not because of it. But, you can’t create champion players like that. India do not have the same caliber coming through.

    No point blaming K. Srikath of who ever, they are simply selecting whoever is scoring heavily in domestic competitions.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 8, 2011 - 2:39 PM

    Bichoo

    Yeah, I should have thought about SL also, but when it comes to sub-continent, we only talk about, India Pakistan and don’t include SL or even Bangladesh. And you are right about Murali and there is a big vacuum despite BAW Mendis and whoever others have got a little fame are no match to that CHUCKER.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 8, 2011 - 2:41 PM

    Pawan

    I agree with Bichoo about selection process because, the big guns India produced came out from the same system, it is the lack of desire from the players and lack of application for test cricket in the new generation is created because of the IPL. If the IPL is making money, so are the players and they are making big money which those big guns never made in the past. Anyways, I am no fan of Krishnamachari Srikanth and I can understand the regional bias you are talking about, but there is nothing one can do to change them. It will take a few more decades for India Pakistan to change their selection process.

  8. #8 by Truth is Stranger than Fiction on August 8, 2011 - 8:59 PM

    Bichoo,

    So what in your highly esteemed opinion is the most fundamental root of the problem?

  9. #9 by Pawan on August 8, 2011 - 10:57 PM

    Bichoo

    I don’t think the selection is unbiased at all
    I fail to recognize a single quality player unearthed by the current crop of selectors
    All the players that you have mentioned are the good deeds of previous selection committees

    Just to give you an example –

    Saurabh Tiwary hails from Jharkhand, the state of Dhoni.
    He looks like a player with very tight technique
    Also good temperament and plays well under pressure in the middle/late middle order.
    Why has he not been given chances?

    Manish Pandey is another very tight technique opener.
    Why was he not given chance ahead of useless Mukund even Vijay?
    Pandey plays very orthodox cricket, even T20.
    If anything, he should be more suitable to longer versions of game.

    It’s high time, selector Srikanth resigns and let someone well deserved to select a team.
    He should pussy feed his son and make him more fat.

  10. #10 by Pawan on August 8, 2011 - 11:06 PM

    Javed

    If you follow the system of selection in India for the past 5-7 years, you will understand how useless the current selection committee is.
    The previous selection committee headed by Vengsarker selected players on merit
    They even kicked out Ganguly, simply because of lack of form.
    They were responsible for unearthing players like Praveen Kumar
    Also Sehwag came back into the team with scintillating form in their selection regime.
    Then Gambhir was also given apt opportunities by Vengsarker and co.
    Ajit Agarkar and other mediocre bowlers were kicked out of the team.
    Zaheer Khan flourished under their selection policies.

    Before Vengsarker, there was Kiran More.
    More was responsible to provide stability during a very turbulent period in Indian cricket
    Greg Chappel was at his cruel best and lots of things were happening in the wrong direction.
    But still I failed to see any biased and stupid selections like Mukund, Vijay, Mithun, Chawla, etc.
    If there were, then they were clearly short lived.

    Kris Srikanth got everything ready made.
    Yet, he couldn’t capitalize on it and provide India with good players.
    I repeat, not a single international level player has been identified by Srikanth.

  11. #11 by Pawan on August 8, 2011 - 11:09 PM

    Shame on Gavaskar and Shastri

    Chand sikkon ke liye tum na karo kaam bura
    har burai ka hota hai sada anjaam bura

  12. #12 by Pawan on August 8, 2011 - 11:28 PM

    Javed bhai

    One suggestion – see if you like it or not.
    This guy Ijaz Butt he is an AH for sure
    But why do you want us to look at his ugly picture in every thread/post? 🙂

  13. #13 by Bichoo on August 9, 2011 - 3:06 AM

    Sagaat,

    You asked:
    So what in your highly esteemed opinion is the most fundamental root of the problem

    The fundamental problem is lack of motivation to go beyond hit the ball around the park kind of player. When youngsters are getting paid hundreds of thousands in dollars just to play two months of IPL cricket in friendly home conditions, they do not want to succeed at the highest level. This is why we see young players like Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina, Murali Vijay, Abhinav Mukund, so on .. not wanting to improve their technique.

    They don’t want to be the next Dravid, or Tendulkar, they just want to hit the ball for easy sixes in low quality T20 games, and get paid a lot of money.

    You see the body language and lackadaisical attitude from the likes of Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Dhoni, Zaheer, etc in this series so far, you know the root of the problem.

    It has nothing to do with English conditions, as I said Indian teams of last 30 years have done exceedingly well in England, even much lower quality teams came to England and competed. Traditionally South Africa and Australia were the tough places for Indian teams. Even in practice games they are not serious, they are just there like a picnic.

    IPL is ruining the quality of cricket in India, because all they want to play is in this format and get celebrity status, then get some endorsement contracts, like the infamous Bhajji ad Have I made it large.

  14. #14 by Bichoo on August 9, 2011 - 3:10 AM

    Pawan,

    Don’t blame selections. Selection has always been biased. Regional biases always exist. Kiran More was chairman of selectors then he used to select all players he liked, or has strong sifarish. Same for Vengsarkar, team was full of Mumabites, Ajit Agarkar got so many chances when Vengsarkar was chairman. Srikanth following the tradition, by chosing Mukund and Vijay.

    But these players have scored heavily in domestic games, Mukund has a triple hundred in Ranji and averages 60. So, it’s not just selection bias that is the problem. Selection was always biased, changing a few players here and there won’t do anything.

    Indian public has to change their ways of patronizing silly cricket like IPL, and they should stop making celebrities out of nothing players like Harby.

  15. #15 by Truth is Stranger than Fiction on August 9, 2011 - 3:35 AM

    Khansahab,

    Coming back to that point of common sense being the true mark of an educated person, here is what Ralph Waldo Emerson had to say about common sense. Probably referring to the natural yet etheral cause-and-effect reasoning, he said,

    “Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense.”

    Notice the word ‘new’ here. I think more or less what he means is what I explained before in my definition of an educated person.

    By the way Saad Shafaqat is a doctor whose ability to think logically is admirable.

    On the other hand we have Kamran Abbasi who indeed tries very hard to present a solid argument, but his writing reeks of a man constantly trying to surpass his potential.

  16. #16 by Truth is Stranger than Fiction on August 9, 2011 - 3:38 AM

    Bichoo,

    Yaar this guy Harby has won many test matches for India. He either takes 0 or 1 wicket or 5 or 6 wickets. That is his style.

  17. #17 by Mohammed Munir on August 9, 2011 - 5:15 AM

    Pawan …

    LOL @ But why do you want us to look at his ugly picture in every thread/post?

    Well, I think it’s not Javed’s fault, the real problem it seems is that it is very hard to find “any” good picture of him. 😉

    All his pictures are the same. 😆

  18. #18 by Mohammed Munir on August 9, 2011 - 5:35 AM

    List of contracted players

    Category A
    Younis Khan, Misbah-ul-Haq, Umar Gul, Mohammad Hafeez, Saeed Ajmal, Abdur Rehman

    Category B
    Abdul Razzaq, Imran Farhat, Sohail Tanvir, Umar Akmal, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Wahab Riaz, Taufeeq Umar

    Category C
    Junaid Khan, Tanvir Ahmed, Hammad Azam, Sarfraz Ahmed, Sohail Khan, Adnan Akmal, Yasir Shah, Rameez Raja, Sharjeel Khan

    Stipend Category
    Mohammad Talha, Aizaz Cheema, Zulfiqar Babar, Raza Hassan, Mohammad Ayub Dogar

    Most importantly and unfortunately, Shahid Afridi is totally excluded by the PCB. 😦

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 9, 2011 - 4:45 PM

    Pawan & Munir

    Actually, the reason behind it, that you HATE him so much and curse him and in this thread I have asked all of us to make a congregational prayer to mourn his funeral in future. Because, he is not dying at present. 😀

    And, Munir, Shahid Afridi is a retired player so obviously he will not be in the central contracts.

  20. #20 by Pawan on August 9, 2011 - 5:56 PM

    Even Shoaib Malik is excluded…

  21. #21 by Pawan on August 9, 2011 - 8:46 PM

    Between what is the latest on Moh. Yusuf?
    has he finally retired? lol

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 10, 2011 - 1:04 AM

    Pawan

    We don’t know if Moyo has finally retired but BUTT hates him and he is the one who brought his downfall. The latest news was Jethro Malik, Kamran Akmal and Danish Kaneria have not been released, reportedly they have info on how the 90,000 pound sterling came into Jethro Malik’s bank account. They have neither objected, nor approved so you cannot say for sure whether he is still banned or shall be released. I am not sure if Sania Mirza is going to recommend his case anymore.

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 10, 2011 - 1:08 PM

    Banking too much on Sehwag? He was out first ball on a duck, trying to play across the line. Gambhir was trying to take up Sehwag’s role after his departure and got carried away and was clean bowled by Bresnon. Dravid and Tendulkar also got out eventually Raina threw his wicket to Anderson’s swinging ball and was clean bowled. India into tatters now, 92 for 5. Here comes Mr. Dhoni. The last recognized batting pair is Laxman and Dhoni, the only hope for India’s first innings total to reach respectability. Otherwise, they are done and dusted in this match once again.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 10, 2011 - 1:14 PM

    Laxman dispatching Bresnon for fours, I hope he doesn’t get carried away ………….. Oh boy! My word, he is gone this time India are 100/6 now.

  25. #25 by Pawan on August 10, 2011 - 2:05 PM

    This is going terrible for India..

    Battle for survival again.

  26. #26 by Aatma on August 10, 2011 - 2:55 PM

    Misbah has been selected as one of the nominees for the Cricketer of the Year award.

    This is an absolute disgrace.

    Hafeez and Afridi deserve that award more than he does. It doesn’t matter that if Test performance is taken into account- Umar Akmal is better than Misbah.

  27. #27 by Aatma on August 10, 2011 - 2:56 PM

    At one time it looked like India would not reach 150, but Dhoni has rescued the team.

    He has played like this many times before.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 10, 2011 - 3:03 PM

    “He has played like this many times before”. Aatma

    I reckon just a few times, and this one from Dhoni is after a longggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg, longgggggggggggggggggggggggg time. Being a captain, if he cannot rescue then who else?

  29. #29 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 10, 2011 - 3:31 PM

    Mohsin Khan, the chief selector of the PCB has hit back Wasim Akram for the laters comments on team selection for Zimbabwe in which two ace fast bowlers, Umar Gul and Wahab Riaz are missing. Like a PCB puppet Mohsin defended his action by saying that this Zimbabwe series is not so important and we want to give chance to the new players and rest Umar Gul and Wahab Riaz for future tough series against SL and England. When he was reminded that neither Umar Gul nor, Wahab Riaz are resting, instead they are playing County matches in the UK. Mohsin started to JHAANKING HIS BAGHLAIN and couldn’t give a proper reply.

    Zimbabwe has just thrashed Bangladesh and what will happen if they do that to Pakistan? Will they be sending SOS to bring back Gul and Riaz? There is only one test match followed by ODI and T20 under the able leadership of MISSY BABA UL HAQ.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 10, 2011 - 3:34 PM

    India’s dream of scoring 250 plus remained at 224 all out. Dhoni ended up against THE BROAD and gave him his 4th wicket.

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 10, 2011 - 3:39 PM

    Sagaat

    That is not an excuse to say that Harbhajan is either a hero or a zero, he has to be consistent, so please don’t recommend him on his past glories or his “Unusual 12 o Clock Style” This is not a criteria to judge a player, if that is the criteria then why do people criticize Shahid Afridi for not being consistent? He is the only player in Pakistan who have won most matches for the country, way ahead of Javed Miandad, Imran, Wasim, Waqar or Inzamam..…. check the stats pls.

  32. #32 by Aatma on August 10, 2011 - 6:13 PM

    Javed A Khan

    There have been 65 ODI’s where Afridi has taken 3 or more wickets and scored 35 or more runs in the same match.

  33. #33 by Sagaat on August 10, 2011 - 7:30 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Shahid Afridi has a decent test record. However, the difference is not in consistency but in averages. For instance Sehwag is inconsistent but averages 54 in tests. Lara was inconsistent but averaged pretty high. Afridi as a batsman in ODIs averages in the mid-20s. If he were to average 35, with his inconsistency and dominance, he would be amongst the pantheons of great ODI players. On the other hand he averages 37 in tests which for an inconsistent and dominant player is pretty high but he himself didn’t want to play test cricket. I thought he could become a much better test match player than an ODI player precesily because of his much better averages in test match cricket.

    Inconsistency with a high average is a higher matchwinning ability than consistency with a higher average. Prefereably, a team needs both types of players, whether consistent or inconsistent. But inconsistent players with a decent average can play remarkable innings and provide memorable moments, and win more matches than consistent players with high averages.

    On Harbajan he doesn’t have a remarkable average but because he is inconsistent he has won many important games in test cricket (like when the great Australian team visited India). Another thing about an inconsistent player is that he can’t be judged by a couple of matches alone. In a string of 10 matches he might win two. So, depending upon at what point he is in the string he might look ordinary or brilliant.

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 10, 2011 - 8:58 PM

    Sagaat

    I was not comparing him with your CHAHEETA LARA, I was only saying that you were talking about Harbhjan where you said, HE EITHER TAKES ZERO WICKETS OR TAKES SIX WICKETS and that is inconsistency and above here you are negating your own statement by saying Harbhajan doesn’t have a remarkable average but because he is inconsistent he has won many important matches. So, how come you have a double standard here? In case of Afridi you are saying he is not inconsistent in his averages but, have you computed the records and compared how many times Afridi has won the matches for Pakistan and how many times Harbhajan has won for India?

    Today, you can see ONCE AGAIN THE INDIAN BOWLING IS REELING…………….. Strauss is Cooking something fishy here they are 84 for zero. Indian bowlers are struggling against their batsmen and Indian batsmen are struggling against the pace attack of English bowlers, neither Broad, Bresnon or Anderson are any great bowlers but, they are creating panic in the Indian camp.

    To me this Indian innings looked like a bad ODI performance wherein they scored 224 runs in 62.2 overs and got out before tea. Is this a test performance from India?

  35. #35 by Sagaat on August 10, 2011 - 9:50 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I am not negating my own statement. It is just a matter of proportion. Harbajan has an ok average for a spinner, but because he is inconsistent, he has won many matches (but not as many as a ‘great’ bowler might, though many more than if he were more consistent). What I meant is that he is better than the other options, such as, Mishra. However, if some spinner averaged as low as Warne/Murali and was as inconsistent as Harbajan, he would have a lot more matches singlehandedly than either of Warne/Murali. If between two bowlers who average in the ‘great’ region (that is, lower than 25) and about the same, I’d pick the one which is more inconsistent. There would be devastating spells of 8-fors and higher. Because Wasim Akram was consistent, he didn’t win as many test matches as Imran Khan did. Barely would we see Wasim taking a 6-for or 7-for, whereas Imran Khan would win matches singlehandedly.

  36. #36 by Bichoo on August 10, 2011 - 10:00 PM

    Sagaat,

    Harbhajan has lost his grip on bowling, in fact he has been losing it for a while, there are only two instances recently where he won Test matches, both came against South Africa, one at home I think 2 years back, and one last year (they still didn’t win that Test, he or anyone else could not get Kallis out). Other than that his only fame is that famous Test series against Australia 10 years back.

    You can check the stats, once Kumble retired Harbhajan has lost his abilities. He simply is not able to fill the shoes left by Kumble.

  37. #37 by Bichoo on August 10, 2011 - 10:08 PM

    I have no expectation from India anymore, clearly they are uninterested in competing, or are completely out matches. At present they are playing like West Indies or Bangladesh.

    One big problem is Sachin not able to fire, in the last year if you consider he averaged in the high 70’s in Test with Ten hundreds, that is a lot of runs he contributed, without that contribution India is suffering.

    Bowlers are crap. Less said the better about those trundlers.

    Indians have interest only in IPL money. Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar, Zaheer, Dhoni, Harbhajan – all chose IPL over the Test match series in England. Result is there to see.

    Zaheer was eating Biriyani, Lamb chops, Mutton curry, and Parathas by the bucket every day, since he lacks Javed Khan’s metabolism, besides the small fact Javed Khan won’t have to bowl in Test matches, has hurt him 🙂

    Sehwag, he chose to do his surgery after IPL, then he comes to England late, without match practice and thinks he can whack the ball around.

    Dhoni was just lucky today, wicket got flatted out. England will score 600 on this pitch.

    Innings defeat to India, and big shame awaiting them. Press will make mince meat out of them once they return.

    But, mark my words, nothing will happen to their attitude towards IPL and it’s money. Next year IPL will be even bigger.

  38. #38 by Sagaat on August 11, 2011 - 12:07 AM

    Bichoo,

    Out of the two times that SA has visited India, or India has visted SA and vice versa, if he has won India two matches, then isn’t that pretty good?

    This is because those are the precise two test matches that India actually won out of the 4,5 matches against SA. What is more, India-SA were competing for the number one position, and India were 1-0 down in the series in both instances. India was able to come from behind twice to draw a series and Harbajhan was the matchwinner in both those instances. He is inconsistent, but he has this knack of singlehandedly winning very important matches for India. However, my point was that, if Harbajhan didn’t average 30-odd, and averaged 22 like Murali, and if he were a lot more inconsistent than Murali, then he would have won a lot more matches than Murali. As it is, Harbajan is not a matchwinner like Murali and Warne because of a much higher average rather than because he is more inconsistent.

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 11, 2011 - 12:53 AM

    Bichoo

    I think Zak owns a restaurant doesn’t he? Just like Sehwag and Tendulkar does, its a problem with India Pakistan players is they love eating food and they don’t burn the calories. What they do is, just before the matches or, a tour abroad, they hold a fitness camp and over do exercises in the Gym and also on the ground under coach’s supervision and they don’t give enough time to their bodies to recover. Obviously then, there will be fitness problems, especially since the muscles are not flexible and fat is accumulating on the tummy with jug handles, they are bound to get injuries. When I was their age, I was super fit and even now AKS, I am much better in shape than all my friends and colleague my age, they look at least 10 years older than me. Some of them have gone bald like Sehwag 😀 some of them have huge tummies and some have lost their teeth and that is because of eating paan (beetle leaves and nuts) and manikchand. I hate that, also I never smoke or consumed alcohol in my life, so that is the difference plus, I have my mother’s genes she used to eat everything and remained healthy.

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 11, 2011 - 12:55 AM

    Sagaat

    Where is sweetie? Because this situation is reminding me of her comment about you, what was it ? Jhakki ? 😀

  41. #41 by Sagaat on August 11, 2011 - 3:02 AM

    Javed Khan,

    Yaar argue, reason, and rationalize. It is an exercise for the brain, and besides, if anything is worth doing, it is worth doing it in excess 😉 If you ask me, these are common sense building exercises and nobody doubts the usefulness of common sense

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 11, 2011 - 1:20 PM

    Sagaat,

    That was just a lighthearted comment. 😀

    India is really reeling and struggling and their bowlers have not been able to take a single wicket yet. Perhaps they will surpass the Indian total without losing a wicket and that is a shame, a moral victory for England and a huge demoralization effect on Indian players psyche. Like, I wrote last night that Strauss is Cooking something fishy, that is what it is, the recipe is called, DEMORALIZE INDIA and they have successfully done that. People on cricinfo are pleading to bring back KUMBLE.

    Australians have not yet mastered the art of T20 but, they definitely play ODI very well. They beat SL convincingly and by a huge margin. Watson gives them a flying start and then they have consolidators, what they need is a few big hitters too for T20 and that too on a consistent basis.

    As I was writing, Strauss is out, Mishra did the trick of bowling him from behind his legs, while he was trying to sweep, exposing his legstumps.

  43. #43 by Mohammed Munir on August 11, 2011 - 4:07 PM

    The England/ India Test should be classified as 18 😉

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 11, 2011 - 4:24 PM

    With more than 20 overs to go for the day, England has reached 373/2………….. Cook and KP are extending the lead.

    Munir, do you mean they are underage right now?

  45. #45 by Bichoo on August 11, 2011 - 4:45 PM

    Indian bowlers have no interest in the game. Sreesanth and Ishant are dishing out crap at 125 kmph, these are bowlers capable of bowling 140 kmph, they have done so before and they certainly can. But they are not fit and they want to extend their careers for IPL. What is the use of bowling at 125 to 130 kmph at English batsmen in these conditions, they have grown up on this sort of bowling and will smack it every single day.

    PK, OTOH, has control and swing, he can justify bowling at 125 kmph since he is only giving at 2 runs an over. At one point he bowled 24 overs with 11 maidens and gave 50 runs for 1 wicket. Not bad if one consider he should be a support bowler. Sadly for India, PK is the main bowler.

    Pathetic.

    England to bat big and bat once, then India set to lose by an innings as I predicted yesterday.

    India if they want to compete in Tests should develop quality bowlers and then maintain their fitness levels, not these trundlers. But this will never happen, I have been saying this for 25 years, and nothing has happened, this is the main reason I gave up having any expectations from Indians in sports field. Parents don’t want their kids to participate in any sports, in general, it is considered bad. Just the attitude of Indian society. Unless of course he makes it big in Cricket. But how do you make it big without participating at grass roots level. Oh, sure, you can be a batsman on the roads in India and aspire to be the next Tendulkar. Who cares about the country and winning matches. So long as your son is a super star this is good enough.

    Poor athleticism and poor attitude towards sports in general.

  46. #46 by Aatma on August 11, 2011 - 5:09 PM

    Waqar could not stand the fact that all the limelight was on me: Afridi

    Former Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi, in an interview with DawnNews on Tuesday, claimed coach Waqar Younis was working on his “own agendas” and could not stand the fact that the all-rounder was stealing all the limelight during the pair’s time together in the national setup.

    Afridi’s trademark blunt comments could once again trigger a repeat of the public wrangling that the two men were involved in recently and which eventually led to the sacking of Afridi as ODI captain.

    The star all-rounder, whose international career fell on the wayside some two months ago, was at his candid best in an hour long interview upon his return from England where he helped his county Hampshire reach the semi-finals of the domestic T20 competition.

    Afridi announced his retirement from international cricket in May this year after he was snubbed of captaincy following the tour of West Indies. He was later fined Rs 4.5 million for his outburst against Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and team management. However, ‘Boom Boom’ had no regrets over his decision.

    He stated that he made the call at the right time. “I was tolerating interference from the coach and manager in my decisions from the outset, a senior and outstanding cricketer like Waqar Younis could not stand the fact that the limelight was all on me and started working on his own agendas which only disrupted the team environment.”

    Afridi added that a captain only needed the support and guidance of a coach and the role should be confined to that alone. He cited the example of leading teams from around the world who had trained coaching staff playing a supporting role.

    “At the international level players do not need coaching; they make it to the top after adequate exposure at junior levels. The coaching staff ought to be qualified with proper certification which would enable them to understand the nuances of the job,” he said while adding that good cricketers did not necessarily make good coaches.

    Afridi who remains one of the most popular cricketers around the world also took a swipe at the administrators of the game in the country.

    “There is no code of conduct for officials and administrators of the cricket board; they can say what ever they want to while the players are caged. It is high time that they realise that it is the players who make the money and bring sponsorship for PCB. The players are the reason for the existence of the administrators rather than the other way around.”

    While Afridi’s rift with the PCB is set to continue, leaving his retirement intact, the player has stints with Australian, South African and Bangladeshi outfits lined up.

    Despite the offers though, Boom Boom has his heart set on representing Pakistan again. He feels that this is an obligation that he has with millions who have adored him in the last 15 years.

    “My late father always wanted me to play for Pakistan; he told me that my priority should be my country and I will always respect his feelings.”

    He vowed to return to the national team whenever a new set-up took over the PCB.

    The belligerent hitter also recalled the highs and lows of his career; he still cherishes his world record breaking century against Sri Lankan in his maiden One Day innings in Nairobi in 1996.

    Afridi claimed that the innings was simply a blessing of the Almighty as he had no plan but to attack every ball in that 37-ball hundred.

    Besides the century, victory in the T20 World Championship in England in 2009 where he won the man of the match award in both the semi-final and the final of the tournament gave him immense pleasure and satisfaction.

    Afridi also held the response of the fans to the performance of the team in the World Cup 2011 dearly. He added that the reaction to the defeat against India in the semi-final was unprecedented and so was the response to the fighting spirit shown by his team.

    On the flip side the 1999 World Cup final defeat and the tragic death of coach Bob Woolmer during the 2007 World Cup are memories that continue to haunt the all-rounder.

  47. #47 by Bichoo on August 11, 2011 - 5:18 PM

    Praveen Kumar picks up another wicket that of KP, and looks like the only bowler capable of earning a wicket, he now has bowled 32 overs for 75 runs and picked up two top order wickets that of in form Bell and KP.

    Meanwhile the two bandars, Sree Santh and I Shan’t have both got their hundreds, they are now 103 not out and 104 not out from 22 and 23 overs each. Good going, what a useless twosome these are. Sadly, there are a lot more trundlers of same variety if they were to be replaced.

    Pawan should like this list, let’s see, Munaf Patel, RP Singh, Vinay Kumar, Unadkat, Abhimanyu Mithun, Umesh Yadav, Irfan Pathan, the list of trundlers goes on .. why the heck are these guys taken up bowling, don’t they get anything else to do .. and to think the Indian selectors find these jokers worthy of selection in national team.

  48. #48 by Bichoo on August 11, 2011 - 5:22 PM

    The bandar dropped an easy catch, just as I was typing earlier message, what a useless idiot, he should be playing his last match, I hope.

  49. #49 by Aatma on August 11, 2011 - 5:26 PM

    I am sure if Pakistan were bowling they would have been more effective.

    Indian bowling needs a revamp- without Zaheer Khan they look demoralised.

    It took India 5-6 years to produce other batting legends alongside SRT such as Dravid, Laxman and Ganguly and the others.

    Perhaps it is in India’s best interests to appoint Wasim Akram as their bowling coach or the head of their main bowling academy. India needs to look beyond jingoism and realise that Wasim is hungry to coach India. He will understand Indian pitches and conditions better than anyone else. Time for his persistence to pay off- make Wasim the bowling coach.

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 11, 2011 - 7:19 PM

    Aatma

    Wasim should be given India’s citizenship, he has no loyalties for Pakistan, he also wants to marry an Indian celebrity but, right now he has plenty of milk for him, so he doesn’t feel the need to buy a bollywood cow now..

    LOL@ Bichoo‘s frustration on awarding 2 bandars a century each! Tomorrow, Cook will come fresh with Morgan and they both must be aiming for a double century and a century to give the tailenders a free hand to go after India’s spin attack led by the bandars.

  51. #51 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 11, 2011 - 7:25 PM

    Aatma

    On Afridi’s interview, its a bit too late to react now. Because, he compromised on principles by accepting an outside the court settlement with the PCB cronies after seeing the passing clouds (that is Hampshire League and Sri Lanka League) one got cancelled for an year and the other could not fly and all focus is on India/England series. By giving away the opportunity to give the Butt regime another push, “GIRTI HOWII DEEVARAON KO EK DHAKKA AUR DOU.” Afridi made a big mistake. In fact his career is over now because, by the time Butt retires he will be past 35 and if Butt does not die, Afridi will be 60 plus, because Butt Murrnay Wala Nahee hai.

    Afridi should have thought before announcing his retirement and before making an outside the court settlement. Koi ho na ho, Jethro Malik and Akmal the Khatmal must be very pleased that Afridi is also out of the team.

  52. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 11, 2011 - 7:30 PM

    Bichoo, its not just the bandar, even Dravid dropped a catch of Bell today but not much damage done because Bell was out early. If the English batting form continues, which is very likely to happen then I reckon England would be making 700 plus runs by the end of the third day and give India 2 days to struggle. Even a lead of 450 would be more than enough to demoralize them.

    So, what is the incentive for the 4th match for India?
    In this match Sehwag was the hope! Now, the 4th match should not make England complacent and that would give India a chance to save a whitewash.

  53. #53 by Pawan on August 11, 2011 - 7:49 PM

    Useless bunch of dimwits.
    Outrageous performance from the bowlers
    Bichoo is right, there is no professionalism in these athletes
    IPL has ruined Indian cricket

    Time to stop mediocrity and start looking for professionals
    In a way a whitewash would be good in hope that there wil be a revamp
    Utterly stupid people like Srikant, Sreesanth, Ishant should quit their jobs

    The Indian cricket test team is a mockery right now
    A very basic question – What’s up with these bowlers?
    These are the best conditions for fast bowlers
    Why can’t they fc**ing bowl some decent pace good deliveries?

    One can understand having a day off
    But its becoming a ritual now
    There are too many passengers in the team

  54. #54 by Pawan on August 11, 2011 - 7:52 PM

    Fletcher looks outdated and expired way past his sell out date
    A coach has to take blame and responsibility
    After insipid performance in the WI, this is downright insulting
    What is he doing?

    Last time round with Venkatesh Prasad, Zaheer Khan had formulated a think tank
    This time round, there is nothing like that it seems.
    The Indian players are looking like bunch of idiots out there
    Is Fletcher from England or India’s side?

  55. #55 by Bichoo on August 11, 2011 - 9:45 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Yeah, Dravid dropped two easy catches, Bell once and Morgan once, lucky for him and India that Bell got out soon, but Morgan got lucky twice and is still there. As you said, the two Bandars will get a chance for their 150 first and then if they are lucky they will get a double hundred. More likely at that point, Dhoni will let Raina bowl so that these Bandars can relax on the boundary rope and England will score faster which means they will declare quicker. This seems to be Dhoni’s strategy in the last two Test matches too he did that.

    Dravid unfortunately dropped too many catches of late, as the record holder for most catches for a slip fielder he is not so safe anymore, perhaps his reflexes are giving away, any case I guess he is still better than the younger lot.

  56. #56 by Aatma on August 11, 2011 - 11:07 PM

    Bichoo/Pawan

    Mishra has not produced any miracles yet- Harbhajan could have bowled the same if not better.

  57. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2011 - 12:23 AM

    Bichoo,

    I agree that his reflexes may have slowed down, in any case it is not easy to field in the slips cordon.

    Pawan

    Finally you are agreeing with our notion that IPL has ruined the game of cricket…… it is time for a majority of the Indians to address this issue, it is not just about entertainment and amusement, they are lacking in professionalism and performing like school boys.

  58. #58 by Bichoo on August 12, 2011 - 4:32 AM

    India’s problems are all based on a fundamental fact, they underestimated the opposition and came under prepared, several players coming from here and there, after doing this and that. Now, imagine if England came to tour India with this kind of lackluster preparation, they will be slaughtered. This is exactly what is happening to India. What did they expect? to come to face a strong England team in their home conditions and expect to compete with them without doing any proper preparation.

    Ishant and Sreesanth are bowling 125 km pies because they are tired as hell from bowling. England is making sure these guys are putting a lot of miles on their legs, to use the exact words from one of their players.

    India took this casually because they have done this type of thing before and always somehow found an escape route. But that sort of thing is a disaster waiting to happen when your luck runs out, or when faced with an unforgiving team.

    In my view there is still nothing wrong with the players selected, they simply weren’t prepared for this type of an assignment.

    Lesson learned for Indian team, selectors, and BCCI: Next time don’t go on a tough tour without preparation and expect to somehow turn up lucky.

  59. #59 by Bichoo on August 12, 2011 - 4:40 AM

    I think this is a great thing that happened to the Indian team, they are in a horror show from where they can’t escape, and they are getting a beating of their lifetime. All their inflated egos will vanish after this whipping is over. After this, this group of Indians that will form the core of team for a few years to come will never take their assignments lightly, at least we hope they are not foolish to repeat this on a tour to Australia later in the year.

    They did get a whipping in 2007 World Cup, and from there on wards bounced back, but now they became too complacent again and needed a good kick in the rear.

    The most important thing to now watch is how India recover from this whipping and play in their next overseas tour. This tour cannot be salvaged anymore, players are out of their depth and they are mentally and physically done in. If BCCI and selectors care about the team and future of Test cricket in India they will fix the problems before next tour.

  60. #60 by Sagaat on August 12, 2011 - 5:54 AM

    Bichoo,

    Yaar we’d believe the difference was just in preparation if the matches were more competitive, but the dominance of England suggests that England are a much better team overall. I think India is relying too much on players who are quite old now. They are very good players but nevertheless everyone has a shelf value. Tendulkar has consistently let the team down throught the tournament, especially considering that he occupies the most important number 4 spot.

    Dhoni is no doubt a great tactician of the game but I have always felt that he has gotten away without developing a good bowling atttack. That he has done well despite such thin resources is a testament to his tactical abilities. But the question could well be posed, what is the team that Dhoni will leave behind? In my opinion a captain should not only be judged by how well his team does, but also by what sort of team he leaves behind. Dhoni hasn’t developed much in terms of bowlin or batting talent. He hasn’t developed the players for the future and that will reflect in the team that he leaves behind.

    Nevertheless Dhoni is a great captain to have brought India to number 1 in tests, won India the 20/20 world cup, and won India the one day world cup. So, a great tactician and manager of existing talent, but not as good a player developer.

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2011 - 6:16 AM

    Sagaat

    Yaar, why do you have to add superlatives in describing Dhoni as a captain? He isn’t great, he is just another captain. Ponting is a hundred times better captain than Dhoni. And Dhoni knows no tactics so please don’t call him a great tactician, he is just an ordinary player who is extremely lucky to rise from the shambles of Jharkand to the glories of not only India but, internationally and that is because of so many other players who have contributed their share and they are somewhere in the oblivion where no one talks about them. He was also lucky to score when it became very obvious but, most of the time he has been a mediocre. Ganguly is any time a better captain than Dhoni. I don’t consider Dhoni among the greats, he is no where near them.

  62. #62 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2011 - 6:16 AM

    Sagaat

    Yaar, why do you have to add superlatives in describing Dhoni as a captain? He isn’t great, he is just another captain. Ponting is a hundred times better captain than Dhoni. And Dhoni knows no tactics so please don’t call him a great tactician, he is just an ordinary player who is extremely lucky to rise from the shambles of Jharkand to the glories of not only India but, internationally and that is because of so many other players who have contributed their share and they are somewhere in the oblivion where no one talks about them. He was also lucky to score when it became very obvious but, most of the time he has been a mediocre. Ganguly is any time a better captain than Dhoni. I don’t consider Dhoni among the greats, he is no where near them.

  63. #63 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2011 - 6:23 AM

    Bichoo

    I think it would be in the better interest of Indian cricket if this team loses 4-0 in tests and also get some real drubbing in the shorter version of the game. Because, when the team reaches its lows, it is from there they rise. You have just mentioned about the 2007 case but, India and Dhoni were once again very lucky that the WC was played at home and they were able to handle the pressure better. Had this WC been elsewhere, India wouldn’t have made it to the semifinals. Let us see in Australia.

    That is why I was hoping that the Pakistan team should also have gone through the lows and they overhaul the whole team and the BOARD and there was some hope when Afridi sued the PCB and Butt, but it was like a dream, too good to be true. The same bunch of idiots will remain for another few years by then most player’s career would have been ruined and there is no mentor, no guardian to create some reliable dependable proteges like, it happened in the past.

    One more thing to add on Sagaat’s comments especially the bottom line……….. player developer? Most importantly when any player reaches the international level, he has already graduated and no spoon feeding is required from that level, the only thing the player has to do himself is to apply his strengths and identify his weakness and keep working on it and the living example of that kinda player is Tendulkar, whenever his weaknesses were spotted, he worked on it, corrected it and not only survived but, thrived.

  64. #64 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2011 - 11:46 AM

    Aww… the rain gods have come to rescue India, still a long way to go, even today there are about 70 more overs remaining plus 2 full days, India may not get away that easily. Although soccer matches are banned under the current situation in the UK because of rioting but, it seems no one is bothered about cricket………. 😀

  65. #65 by Bichoo on August 12, 2011 - 12:47 PM

    Sagaat,

    I agree with what you said team capabilities, there is indeed a gulf between the teams, not just in bowling but in batting also. Indians aging trio, legendary that they are, is past their prime against a top quality team that shows a lot of intensity. I suspect they would have fared no better against Australia of the old either at this stage of their career. The fact that they held up against Australia of the old in their prime seems to be their career high.

    But it must be noted that Ganguly was the captain during India’s most famous wins abroad and when they held on their own against the great Australian team.

    I am agree with Javed Khan that Ganguly was the best captain and that Dhoni while he is a good captain is not a great tactician as some people call him. If he is such a great tactician then where are even some glimpses of it in the current series. No, his luck has run out, and he is a simpleton from Jharkhand who has hired brilliant marketing people that are promoting his brand value.

    Yaar, it’s all money that talk, this Dhoni, Tendulkar, Harbhajan, Yuvraj, are all worth money to those promoting them, it is in their interest to keep pumping them up so that they can sell their brands, and their IPL teams. It’s big money that is ruling Indian cricket these days and the people who follow them are getting taken for a ride.

    Dhoni did not take India to #1 in ranking, it was the result of many players and captains, he was just plain lucky when it happened he was there. Somewhat like Gary Kirsten was lucky to have a perfect record as coach and signed off with WC win as high.

    It is true India would not have won WC if it were played outside of India. But, it still does not take away any credit, because no host nation won it before and it was held in India-Pak-SL twice before and only SL won it in sub continent before.

  66. #66 by Bichoo on August 12, 2011 - 12:52 PM

    I always thought Dhoni should be judged when he is finished as captain, he is not done yet.

    It should be noted that, India has never been whitewashed in a series before, at least not in the last 50 years, I have to check stats to see this, but Dhoni the great tactician could achieve this .. LOL

  67. #67 by Mohammed Munir on August 12, 2011 - 4:07 PM

    India should request for a mercy plea. 😆

  68. #68 by Bichoo on August 12, 2011 - 5:07 PM

    Sehwag out first ball for a golden duck. He now has a golden pair in both innings having faced exactly two balls. This is what you get for giving priority to IPL. Not going for surgery until IPL is over, and not prepared for Test cricket. Even for Sehwag you simply can’t walk in and swing the bat at a moving ball with four slips in place. What was he thinking, trying to hit first ball for four like he did in WC. LOL. What a shame.

    I predict and innings and 200 runs defeat.

    Munir, you are right after this torture is over, India should plead to go home without playing the next Test and cancel the rest of series.

  69. #69 by Pawan on August 12, 2011 - 5:09 PM

    Sehwag looked so unfit
    His cheeks were like balloon!

  70. #70 by Mohammed Munir on August 12, 2011 - 6:06 PM

    Golden duck in both innings of a Test is called King Pair and Sehwag is now blessed with it. 😉

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2011 - 6:18 PM

    What a shame that, Jin paton pe takya tha wohi hawa de gaye! Sehwag aaway, Sehwag jaaway koi run na banaway ………. zero plus zero is double zero? (O_O)

  72. #72 by Aatma on August 12, 2011 - 8:43 PM

    Ijaz Ahmed named Pakistan’s batting consultant for Zimbabwe tour

    Lahore, August 12(ANI): The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has named former captain and fielding coach Ijaz Ahmed as the national side’s batting consultant for the upcoming tour of Zimbabwe.

  73. #73 by Aatma on August 12, 2011 - 11:06 PM

    Is this deliberate? Looks suspicious.

  74. #74 by Aatma on August 12, 2011 - 11:38 PM

    “It’s an Honour to be Nominated with Top Players of the World” : Misbah-ul-Haq

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 12, 2011 - 11:43 PM

    Aatma it is definitely deliberate, see the slow motion and Ijaz deliberately moves to his right and then slams his bat on his pad, how can you do that? He is a pukka Suttay Baaz Juwaree sala

  76. #76 by Pawan on August 13, 2011 - 12:05 AM

    Get up.. and get going Indian players…
    15th August is approaching..
    We got rid of the English on this same day..
    Hope you get motivation to hang on today.. and tomorrow..
    My prayers with you guys..
    Lift.. get up and get going

  77. #77 by Sagaat on August 13, 2011 - 12:30 AM

    Bichoo,

    Contrary to what you say, I think that money tends to get the best out of players and attracts the best talent. Besides, Indian players earn a lot of money through their central contracts and sponsorships. IPL only adds a percentage to that value. If you notice more carefully, players like Kohli, etc, have been discovered through the IPL (if I am not mistaken). Besides, it raises the domestic level at which cricket is played in India. It is low quality cricket for the viewers but since majority of the players are Indian, it enables them to raise their standard by playing against the best.In fact since the inception of IPL India has gone onto dominate world cricket, winning the 50-over world cup and getting the number 1 test ranking. It gave the Indians belief when they saw the Australians and the rest dancing to their tune of money and Indian players had a fresh sense of superiority over their Australian counterparts. To the extent that Australia received a drubbing in India. Overall I think the IPL has done wonders for Indian cricket, yet it erodes the essence of the game. The heart of cricket is international teams competing against each other, unlike soccer where league competition takes precedence. The talent pool in cricket as opposed to soccer isn’t sufficient nor global for leagues to make attractive viewing.

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 13, 2011 - 3:12 AM

    Sagaat

    Yar, kya piddi aur kya piddi ka shorba yar?
    The players you are talking about like, Kohli, Ohja, Mishra, Mukund, Vijay are all the products of the IPL and look at their standards? Winning the WC 2011 has nothing to do with IPL, because IPL is a different format, simply maar dhaar and kabootar baazi.

    There was a time when India had the likes of Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Azharuddin, Laxman, Ganguly, Dravid and to some extent Sehwag and Gambir emerged without this eye pee ell and shy pee el. I think the IPL is definitely damaging the Indian cricket because, those international players you are talking about have already retired, like Gilchrist, Warne, Hayden and a few others and Gayle is one guy who is as inconsistent as Shahid Afridi and Brendon McCullum. You have said it that, “the heart of cricket is international teams competing each other” STICK TO THIS POINT MAN.

  79. #79 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 13, 2011 - 8:36 AM

    Wayne Parnell ready for his first Ramazan

    South Africa’s young paceman Wayne Parnell has revealed that he will continue to wear logos of sponsors South African Breweries even after converting to Islam, which he made public recently. He also asked the press to respect his private life during the holy month of Ramazan.

    “Wayne will continue to respect the team’s endorsement of alcoholic beverages. He hasn’t really thought about it and made a firm decision, so for now, yes, he will wear the logos,” Parnell’s agent, Donne Commins, told the press on Thursday.

    According to Commins, Parnell’s conversion came after a period of personal study and reflection in January this year and the decision to make it public seemed apt considering Muslims around the world are currently observing the holy month of Ramazan.

    “As I am approaching my first period of fasting, I ask that this special time is treated with respect. I am a young man, a professional cricketer by trade, and while I can appreciate and am grateful for the public interest in my personal life, my faith choice is a matter which I would like to keep private,” said the promising left-armer who was also considering changing his name.

    “While I have not yet decided on an Islamic name, I have considered the name Waleed which means Newborn Son, but for now, my name remains Wayne Dillon Parnell,” the 21-year-old said in a statement released by Cricket South Africa on Thursday.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 13, 2011 - 8:40 AM

    The way Zimbabwe is playing against BD at home, thoroughly out playing their opponents in test and ODI, it is very likely that they will do the same to Pakistan, and I shall be very happy to see Pakistan losing the lonely test and ALL ODI’s and T20’s. Normally,. I always want Pakistan to win but, if they lose against Zimbabwe then it will be good for cricket in Pakistan, because that means an end to Missy Baba’s career and revamping of the PCB……. there will be too much media bashing and ex-players bashing too but, it has to be a big defeat and not a drawn series.

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 13, 2011 - 8:43 AM

    SEE WHO IS “SPEECHING” ? 😀

    Pakistan wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal has expressed his disappointment at losing his central contract for the second half of 2011, but said he is determined to prove his worth in domestic cricket and make a comeback.

    “I’m extremely disappointed,” Kamran told PTI.” I admit that it was my mistake but I think I deserve another chance. Somehow it’s the board’s decision and I don’t want to say much. I’ve earned the contract for eight years and losing this one is not a big deal.”

    bakaoz I have a lot of sutta money, there is so much of it that I don’t have a place to keep it in my house, sanoo paisay di koi kami nai aye.

    Kamran was dropped after struggling in the World Cup and was replaced by Mohammad Salman for Pakistan’s tour of West Indies. “The selectors were not satisfied with my performance but I just need to keep on playing domestic cricket and prove my form to them,” Kamran said. “I’m 29 and fit so I feel that there’s at least six years of cricket left in me.

    “Everyone makes mistakes but the important thing is learning from them. I vow not to make them again. No wicketkeeper loves to drop catches.”

    Kamran was not the only active player to lose his contract. Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf and Danish Kaneria, who were not picked for the World Cup, have been ignored. Malik and Kaneria are yet to be cleared by the PCB’s integrity committee and Kaneria has not played for the national team since August 2010. The recently retired pair of Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Akhtar were also left off the list.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 13, 2011 - 11:56 AM

    Bichoo

    You were saying that India will lose by an innings and 200 runs, this seems to be the biggest defeat with Dhoni the lone ranger batting with the tail, India struggling at 101/6 ……….. and not only 300 plus runs, but it will be compounded with an innings defeat too. What a shame!

  83. #83 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 1:18 PM

    Humiliating performance by India.

    The reason why all of this is also bad for Pakistan cricket is because it gives the likes of Misbah and Malik an excuse to say that, Indian batsmen failed on these pitches so how can you expect us to perform?

  84. #84 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 1:34 PM

    Some entertaiment from Praveen. Dhoni comes too lower down the order- he needs to promote himself so he can make a bigger impact.

    I am amazed that the Indian media is not reacting harshly towards their own team. At the moment their focus has just been to criticise the England team and media for their mocking attitude towards India.

  85. #85 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 1:37 PM

    Wasim Akram needs to be appointed India coach. Tendulkar should retire after this series. Laxman should be warned that he will be dropped if he does not perform in the next match.

    Bowling wise it has become crystal clear that Sreesanth and Ishant are not big impact bowlers. They had to bowl better in England.

  86. #86 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 1:44 PM

    Bichoo

    Ganguly was nowhere near as good an ODI captain as Dhoni.

    I think India’s no 1 Test status happened because Zaheer Khan improved his bowling and batting, Harbhajan improved his batting, Gambhir became a consistent opener and Sehwag started hitting 100s more consistently.

    But, somewhere along the line you have to appreciate the captaincy as well.

  87. #87 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 2:10 PM

    Sagaat

    I never thought about common sense too much (possibly because I am often criticised for not having much) but in my opinion having a degree does not in itself make a person educated. It is generally the phase one goes through (or should go through) when one attends university.

    In my view the qualities of education are tolerance, independence of thought, impartiality and analytical skills.

    I have not read Saad Shafqat but I find Abbasi to be very fair, albeit too verbose.

  88. #88 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 2:18 PM

    Let us not jump the gun – Srinivasan

    N Srinivasan, the BCCI secretary, has said the board will review the Indian team’s performance in England at the conclusion of the tour but believed the Test series would have been closely contested if not for a spate of injuries.

    India have been poor in England, losing the first two Tests by large margins and facing defeat in the ongoing third Test at Edgbaston. They will lose their No. 1 ranking if England win the series by a two-Test margin.

    India, however, were hit by injuries to key players – Virender Sehwag, Zaheer Khan, Gautam Gambhir, Harbhajan Singh and Yuvraj Singh – at various points during the tour. Srinivasan said it was important to take all the issues into consideration before evaluating the team’s performance. “You have to put things in perspective,” he told the Indian Express. “We missed Zaheer Khan due to injury. Virender Sehwag was unavailable for the first two Tests. Gautam Gambhir had to sit out in the second Test. So we never had a full strength side. With everybody fit, we believe the series would have been a lot closer.

  89. #89 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 2:19 PM

    And what happened when Sehwag, Gambhir returned to the team? Neither of them could work wonders.

    The problem is complacency after winning the WC and too much focus on IPL.

  90. #90 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 2:23 PM

    Comments of some Indian fans after this historic defeat:

    indian teams ability exposed.they are surely not the no.1 team

    if this innings sachin is not hundred i will avoid in watch cricket

    When a senior player like Sehwag is not capable to even face a single ball in an innings…..?? what for he is in the team… what even a coach can do …

  91. #91 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 2:47 PM

    India needs to restructure its batting order.

    Dhoni needs to bat higher up, Dravid needs to open.

    It needs to be like this:

    Sehwag
    Dravid
    Gambhir
    Dhoni
    SRT
    Laxman

  92. #92 by Bichoo on August 13, 2011 - 3:10 PM

    A fabulous win from England and they deserve the #1 spot in Test cricket. They have put in a lot of hard work over the years and the results are coming. Congratulations to England.

    They were ranked the worst team in the world in 1999 and from there they rose all the way to the top. There is a lesson in here.

    India has a lot to worry about, but at this moment they should still be proud that they were #1 Test team for over a 20 month period, and they themselves rose to that spot 2 years back based on a lot of hard work. But nothing is ever permanent.

    It is easy to get deluged in a sea of emotions. Aatma made some comments above, some his own and some from Indian fans. These are all in the moment emotional outpouring. These type of knee jerk reaction aren’t going to help. India need to assess the situation and do what needs to be done carefully and thoughtfully. Perhaps that may even mean placing more importance on developing skills in ODI and T20 cricket and staying top in that format. It is impossible to be top in every format for one team.

    Let’s give Tendulkar, Laxman, and Dravid the space they deserve. They will bounce back and should retire on their own terms.

    At this point I will hold off from making any more comments, because it’s just easy to call for Dhoni’s head, Tendulkar’s retirement, so on .. but that won’t help the Team. They lost a series, a lot of teams have lost series before, by an innings defeat is also not new, so what has happened is past.

    It is important to focus on future and bring Indian cricket back on track from here on. That requires careful thinking and taking some time off for players.

  93. #93 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 3:14 PM

    As long as this series will remain in people’s memories every rubbish Pakistani batsman will have this excuse after poor performance on bowling tracks- “Look at what happened to SRT and Laxman in England- and you expect us to perform”?

  94. #94 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 4:00 PM

    Former cricketers slam India’s humiliating series loss

    India’s humiliating series loss and surrendering of world number one Test spot to England came under severe criticism from former cricketers who said the country needs introspection on how to avert the “demise of the side”.

    Former captain Sourav Ganguly said losing three successive Tests was unthinkable and India will have to ensure it was just a one-off affair.

    “You can lose Test matches but losing three in a row and not scoring any big total, it is something to be worried about. Is it a one-off affair or the beginning of the demise of the side we have to see,” said Ganguly.

    Another former captain Anil Kumble said India now need to groom four or five young players to replace veterans like Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and VV Laxman.

    “You need to spot four-five players and invest on them, to ensure that they carry the responsibility of Indian cricket in future in place of the veterans. We have Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Gautam Gambhir,” Kumble said.

    “They have to be given a long rope. You may not see India to come back at the top in quick time. But we have to ensure that with these youngsters, we remained in top three and climb to top spot after a few years,” he said.

    Former Indian Test opener Arun Lal was scathing in his attack on Mahendra Singh Dhoni and his men and said the country cannot rely on the 35-plus cricketers for long.

    “England are decidedly far better side in the series, there is no doubt about it. It did not matter if India had some of the top cricketers in the world but under the conditions England were way way ahead,” Lal said.

  95. #95 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 4:04 PM

    Sagaat

    Yousuf averaged only 24 last year. Surely his career is over?

    SRT’s performance in this series has been better than Yousuf’s performance in the year 2010.

  96. #96 by Sagaat on August 13, 2011 - 7:02 PM

    Aatma,

    I didn’t mean common sense in the common usage of the word, but as the ability to logically connect ideas, construct arguments, and combine new ideas together. You have mentioned that Kamran Abbasi comes across as verbose; I also think he tries very heard to inject words in his arguments and invests too little to write a cogent argument with common sense in the sense that I use the word above. Whether he is impartial or not, I don’t know and I don’t care. Being biased and yet providing sound reasons for doing that is more important imo.

    I don’t think SRT should retire because of his performance, but I think a lot of the senior players should retire to allow new players to be groomed and developed. Ideally for India they should have phased out these older players gradually in the last 2-3-4 years and found suitable replacements but they haven’t done that.I think India would tumble in rankings and go way down because of that. Recovery will be hard and may take close to a decade.With Pakistan I meant Mohd Yousof should have been phased out gradually to be along with the youngsters to provide invaluuable guidance for their development. Pakistan would have had mostly youth with some experience in Younis Khan and Mohd Yousof, and had Pakistan their main bowlers along with them, they could have been number one. In fact Pakistan won a test in England with Asif and Aamir if you remember. But they didn’t take Mohd Yousof and Younis Khan there or they would have won most tests.

    The point that I am making is that in terms of raw ingredients having two great bowlers in Asif and Aamer, then an ok support bowler in Gul, having a legspinner in Kaneria, and an all rounder in Afridi. Then include Umar Akmal, Younis Khan, Misbah, Mohd Yousof with Azhar Ali and Ahmed Shehzad being groomed in the back-up, That is a steady mix of youth and expereince and if a couple of openers had come along in the next 2-3-4 years, then Pakistan could have potentially developed the best team.

  97. #97 by Aatma on August 13, 2011 - 7:20 PM

    Sagaat

    My understanding of common sense is that even uneducated people can have it. A lot of working class people can have common sense. I think that is why the word “common” is used.

    I associate common sense with things like- if you leave the entrance door unlocked a burglar might enter, or if you put too much weight on a fragile holder than it might break.

    To me it was never about the logical construction or connection of ideas. “Logic” is a very vague and flexible concept, it could mean a lot of things to a lot of people.

  98. #98 by Sagaat on August 13, 2011 - 7:37 PM

    Aatma,

    You are confusing practical sense with common sense. Anyway, these are just definitions, there is no point arguing over definitions. Take the example of Sydney test when Pakistan visited Australia. Some would say it was common sense that Ponting attacked Pakistan in the 4th innings. It was common sense to do so, or the ‘logical’ thing to do so? Why was it logical? That if Pakistan had to lose, they had to be bowled out very quickly , and the best way to bowl a team out quickly is to attack as much as possible. Now this is common sense constructed from two ‘leaps’ of basic logic.. But this isn’t common. Most Pakistani captains wouldn’t have attacked and done that. Despite being common sense it is not what a majority of people would have done. They would have thought the runs are limited so put fielders on the boundary and defend those runs untill the wickets fall. Even an educated person, who can write well in English and has learned various things in life (absorbed like a sponge perhaps) may not have used common sense there. This ability lies outside education imo.

  99. #99 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 13, 2011 - 7:56 PM

    Bichoo

    This news excerpt is for you:

    “India, who had been whitewashed 5-0 and 3-0 on their previous two visits, had a bowling attack centred on their outstanding spin quartet of Bishan Bedi, Srinivas Venkataraghavan, Erapalli Prasanna and Bhagwath Chandrasekhar, and backed by a strong batting line-up that included the brilliant young Sunil Gavaskar and their captain, Ajit Wadekar “ (the news did not mention Gundappa Vishwanath)

    India followed the victory with a 2-1 win over England in 1972-73

    There was one more series I don’t remember when, but it was when India were all out for 42 runs and I saw a newspaper cartoon at one of my cousin’s collection in which it was shown, “A lady telling her husband (who came back from the toilet) ” Honey, I told you not to go to the lu, you have missed the whole bloody Indian innings.”

  100. #100 by Aatma on August 14, 2011 - 10:49 AM

    KESC shoot down star-studded HBL

    KARACHI: KESC on Thursday night caused a major stir when they stunned star-studded Habib Bank (HBL) in the inaugural Cool & Cool Corporate Twenty20 Night Tournament 2011 at the DHA Sports Club (Moin Khan Academy).

    Playing against a team that included former Pakistan captains Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan and other national cricketers like Umar Gul, Abdur Rehman, Danish Kaneria, Asad Shafiq, Ahmed Shehzad and Hasan Raza, KESC gave their best to record a 17-run triumph.

    A 104-run third wicket partnership in just over 10 overs between Muhammad Waqas and Akbar Rehman turned out to be the cornerstone of KESC’s victory.

    Electing to bat first, KESC scored 173-4 in 20 overs with Waqas clobbering seven fours and three sixes in a 42-ball 54 while Akbar belting a four and three sixes in a rapid 48 that came off 39 balls. Tariq Haroon finished the innings with a flourish when he slapped two sixes and a four in a rapid 17 that came off just five balls.

    KESC scored 57 runs in its first 10 overs but collected a whopping 116 runs off the last 60 deliveries.

    Habib Bank bowling comprised Umar Gul (4-0-30-0), Danish Kaneria (4-0-23-2), Shahid Afridi (4-0-26-1) and Abdul Rehman (2-0-36-0) but failed to contain the KESC batsmen.

    In its target chase, Habib Bank finished with 156-7 in 20 overs with Younis Khan finishing as the top scorer with a 38-ball 49 that included two fours and two sixes. Hasan Raza hit two fours and three sixes in a 28-ball 44 while Asad Shafiq hit a 32-ball 40 which included three fours and two sixes.

    Shahid Afridi suffered a rare failure when he could score only one off four balls while his opening partner Ahmed Shehzad managed only six off five balls.

    Mansoor Khan caused the maximum damage with his off-spin bowling and returned figures of 4-0-33-4 but failed to beat his team-mate Waqas for the man of the match award.

    The victory has given KESC two valuable points which has put it in share of the top spot in Group B with Habib Bank on three points. CandyLand, after one match, has two points while Port Qasim Authority lost its only match to Habib Bank by 19 runs.

    National Bank of Pakistan (NBP) and Saiyed Paper Mills share the top position in Group A after one round while Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) and Omar Associates are winless.

  101. #101 by Aatma on August 14, 2011 - 1:07 PM

    What excellent poetry from Ahmed Faraz:

    RANJISH

    Ranjish hi sahi dil hi dukhaanay kay liyay aa
    Let it be anguish, come still to torment my heart
    aa phir say mujhay chhorr kay jaanay kay liyay aa
    Come, even if to leave me again

    pehlay say maraasim na sahi phir bhi kabhi to
    If not for our past association
    rasm-o-rahay duniya hi nibhaanay kay liyay aa
    Come to fulfill the rituals of the world

    kis kis ko bataayengay judaai kaa sabab ham
    Who else must I explain the reason of separation
    tu mujh se khafaa hai to zamaanay kay liyay aa
    Come, despite your displeasure with me, for others’ sake

    kuchh to meri pindaar-e-mohabbat ka bharam rakh
    Respect a little the depth of my love for you
    tu bhi to kabhi mujh ko manaanay kay liyay aa
    Come someday to placate me as well

    ek umr say hun lazzat-e-giryaa se bhi mehruum
    Too long have I been deprived of the pathos of longing
    aye raahat-e-jaan mujh ko rulaanay kay liyay aa
    Come my love, if only to make me weep again

    ab tak dil-e-khush_feham ko tujh say hain ummeedain
    Even till now, my heart suffers from some expectation
    ye aakhari shammain bhi bujhaanay kay liyay aa
    Come, if only just to snuff these last candles of hope

  102. #102 by Aatma on August 14, 2011 - 1:29 PM

    How was this given not out???:

  103. #103 by Aatma on August 14, 2011 - 1:37 PM

    Sagaat

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone play McGrath like that- look at McGrath’s expression towards the end:

  104. #104 by Aatma on August 14, 2011 - 1:41 PM

    Sagaat

    This is the reason why he is the best batsman of all time- check the first drive and then the shot at 3:20

  105. #105 by Bichoo on August 14, 2011 - 2:35 PM

    Now that couple of days are past India’s Test match debacle and losing of #1 ranking to England, it is a good time to note down a few things from Indian perspective.

    It is important that India prioritize their cricket. It is impossible to develop players in all three formats and stay top in all three formats.

    Even if it is possible to do that, it is difficult to do that both at home and abroad.

    I believe India will stay undefeated at home. As Indian batting will continue to dominate in home conditions. Only team that has recently shown ability to win in India is South Africa, and that is only because of Dale Steyn. There is no team that has the quality of Dale Steyn who can move the ball at pace in sub continent conditions.

    England will struggle in sub continent.

    If India or any team need to dominate, they need 3 fast bowlers who can get wicket in any condition. We are taking about the quality of McGrath, Gillespie, Steyn, Ambrose, Walsh, Marshal, Waqar, so on .. not team has that capability now and will not have due to the two shorter formats.

    Should India spend their resources developing fast bowlers, they probably should because even in short formats fast bowlers are required.

    Should India spend a lot of time in developing their batsman’s skill in English and Australian conditions, they probably should because these skills will be required in short formats when major tourneys are played outside of sub continent.

    It is time for an overhaul of the team. But it should be gradual. It is OK to lose a few matches. but at the same time important to re build. This might even mean they may want to focus building on ODI and T20 first instead of focusing on Test. As such Test cricket is in decline all over the world, except the traditional forces – Eng, Aus, SA.

    Should Indians, Pakistanis, and Sri Lankans try to match the traditional forces at the Test game going forward, or spend their resources at building a team that can dominate is what they really could be best at? This is important.

  106. #106 by Mohammed Munir on August 14, 2011 - 4:27 PM

    Riots continue in England !!

    First rape case filed by the Indian Cricket Team !! 😆

  107. #107 by Aatma on August 14, 2011 - 4:38 PM

    What a hypocrite this Mullah is. I am glad the MQM expelled him…………………. BTW, THIS VIDEO DOES NOT EXIST ANY MORE SO, SHOULD WE KEEP THE FACE OF THIS MULLAH?

  108. #108 by Aatma on August 14, 2011 - 4:53 PM

    Bichoo

    Test cricket is dying in the subcontinent- there is no doubt about that.

    I think the future of Tests is that England, SA and Australia will be the top 3 teams and India, Sri Lanka and Australia/SA will be the top 3 ODI teams.

    India can make 3 separate teams for 3 different formats but unless they have an in form Zaheer Khan and 2 out of the trio of Dravid, Laxman and SRT, they will not be winning Test matches. They win when Sehwag scores, but he is not consistent.

    In many ways we will see the return of the 90s era when subcontinental teams were good at limited overs cricket and raised their game from there to produce good Test players.

    As for Pakistan there is no hope to be a top 5 side in ODIs or Tests unless players like U Akmal, who can guarantee 30-40 runs, play around match winners. Pakistan will see a decline before they see a rise. Ijaz Butt will go, Misbah will go, someone honest will block future selection of Malik and K Akmal, Afridi will be back and will lead a young and hungry side. By that time they will hope that Hafeez has become more consistent and the likes of Ajmal, Azhar Ali or one or two other players have cemented their places in the team. On terms of fast bowling and spinners they are okay- they should keep rotating until they find someone with talent.

  109. #109 by Sagaat on August 14, 2011 - 7:06 PM

    Khansahab,

    Wow, that is sound logic, that is why he is the best batsman of all time 😉 Next you might as well show a picture of him with sunglasses and a ball and bat in his hand, and claim that is why he is the best batsman of all time. Or why not simply say he is the best batsman of all time because he is Sachin Tendulkar and ‘I’ like him.

    The other day you said the mark of an educated man is in being impartial. Unfortunately what is impartial to you may not be impartial for the other person. Fundamentally, we all have biases– all there exists are reasons and justifications.

  110. #110 by Sagaat on August 14, 2011 - 7:15 PM

    Khansahab,

    I haven’t seen anyone demolish Mcgrath like Razzaq did with his 5 consecutive 4s. Does that make Razzaq the best batsman of all time?

    Firstly, that is not test cricket, and secondly, that doesn’t say anthing about how Mcgrath dominated Razzaq on numerous occassions.

    Tendulkar has a mediocre record against Mcgrath in test matches and I don’t blame Tendulkar. Mcgrath was a very good bowler and dominated Tendulkar most of the time.

  111. #111 by Sagaat on August 14, 2011 - 7:41 PM

    Khansahab,

    Btw Here’s why Don Bradman is a 4 times better batsman than Tendulkar.

    When you add 10 to 56 it is 66. And, then, inevitably if you add 10 more to 66 you get 76. You do this a couple of more times, that is, 4 times in total and you get something close to 99.94 but not really 99.94. You know that makes him 4 times a better batsman than Tendulkar?

    Or, lets just do this with increments of 5, and he is about 9 times a better batsman. And, btw, with increments of 1 he is about 44 times a better batsman than Tendulkar. If that one shot is your reason, then these are my reasons 😛

  112. #112 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 14, 2011 - 7:48 PM

    Munir

    I thought this is the third the only difference is this one is filed in the UK and the last two were filed in India and reported as Balatkaars, 😀

  113. #113 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 15, 2011 - 1:17 AM

    Dhoni admits India outplayed by England

    BIRMINGHAM, England: The humiliation of a 4-0 series whitewash looms for India, with captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni conceding they have deserved to be dethroned as the world’s No. 1 test side by England.

    England supplanted India in the rankings at Edgbaston on Saturday by winning the third test by an innings and 242 runs.

    ”The series never really went our way,” he said. ”Most of the sessions were won by them. More often than not we were outplayed. We have been completely outplayed in the series so far. By losing one series we shouldn’t get too critical (but) we need to accept we were outplayed.”

    Commentators and broadcasters heaped derision on the tourists, with England great Geoffrey Boycott scathing about VVS Laxman’s decision to keep his hands in his pockets while fielding —and much else.

    ”The question everybody keeps asking is how the hell did India get to number one in the world playing like this?” Boycott asked, in the Daily Telegraph.

    ”They look a shadow of even an average team. The bowlers try hard but are military medium and the fielding at times is so unathletic it beggars belief. There are players walking around just waiting for the close of play and expecting England to win the game.”

    The schedule is one factor behind India’s malaise. In the last six months most of its players have crammed in a World Cup, the Indian Premier League and a test series in West Indies.

    Dhoni’s frustration with the workload spilled out in his post-match press conference, when he was asked if his side had prepared properly.

    ”We play 200 days of cricket and what else you want us to do?” he said. ”As for planning, it’s beyond players’ control. It’s the BCCI who decides. We try to do our best, and use our resources to the maximum.”

    Dhoni was unable to explain why India lost so heavily at Edgbaston.

    ”The margin just keeps getting bigger and bigger,” he said. ”I can’t pinpoint the reason. If it was that easy, I would have rectified it. The pressure kept mounting on us. If you (can’t) get the opposition out because you are a bowler short, the pressure keeps mounting and obviously England is a very good side.”

    One underlying problem remains India’s inability to adapt to the five-day game.

    Its bowlers appear unable to take 20 wickets in the ongoing absence of injured paceman Zaheer Khan.

    Ishant Sharma has sporadically looked like a world-class bowler, but only for the kind of four-over spells he specializes in the IPL.

    Asked why he was unable to bowl effectively for longer, Sharma replied: ”I am human and I have a body.”

    Praveen Kumar has instead become India’s standard-bearer and his aggression in a losing cause recalls Darren Gough during England’s barren spell in the 1990s.

    A basic lack of runs has also been a problem. India has made just one century partnership in the three tests and some of its highest scores —Harbhajan Singh’s 46 at Trent Bridge and Kumar’s 40 here —have come from tailenders throwing the bat when they should have been blocking for a draw.

    Kumar’s partnership of 75 with Dhoni earned him the admiration of the Edgbaston crowd, but the tourists seem to have forgotten the art of saving a test match.

    Their position may have seemed impossible, but in the past two years England has drawn from apparently hopeless positions against Australia and South Africa (twice).
    Dhoni defended his players against a charge of recklessness.

    ”A bit of technical adjustment is required,” Dhoni admitted. ”But you wouldn’t see Sreesanth batting like a Don Bradman just because he wants to bat like one. (You need) to be yourself and slightly tune your batting if needed for the conditions. Like a Formula One car it depends on the track. NONSENSE

  114. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 15, 2011 - 1:20 AM

    INDIA DETHRONED FROM THE NO.1 SPOT
    WILL DHONI BE DETHRONED ALSO?

  115. #115 by Bichoo on August 15, 2011 - 2:35 AM

    I find it funny when English press and ex-players are going gaga over their teams achievement while deriding Indian players. Nit picking on their every single action, lke Laxman kept his hands in his pocket. Why hell does it matter of Geoff Boycott. If Indians have poor attitude on field and they lose then it benefits England. How quickly they forget that an English cricketer had to leave halfway through a tour of India due to clinical depression. Quite frankly the English derision of Indians off the field is going too far, and it is very impressive to see how Indians have handled themselves. Dhoni no matter that he does on the field, has been quite classy off the field, same goes for rest of Indians. They have chosen not to comment back.

    I think the time will come to give it back on the field, and that is the best way to do it. Let’s see what these so called experts will say after England tours the sub continent, which is coming up soon. They have a series against Pakistan in UAE and then against SL in their den. England will tour India for an ODI series and then next year they will have a full tour of India. After all this is completed, and they are still standing up as #1 team is the world then these so called experts can comment who has their hands in their pants.

  116. #116 by Mohammed Munir on August 15, 2011 - 5:30 AM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ third Balatkaar.

    I think ‘Rape’ sounds a bit softer than ‘Balatkaar’ … doesn’t it ❓ 😉

    BTW, on the other hand, Zimbabwe is also badly ‘Balatkaaring’ the Bangooz. 😀

  117. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 15, 2011 - 3:42 PM

    Bichoo

    Yae tou hota hee hai. When you are a winner, everything is acceptable and when you lose the world starts nit-picking on them. Btw, whether it is Boycott or anyone, Laxman shouldn’t be keeping his hands in his pockets while fielding, it shows lethargy and disinterest.

    I agree with you that the real test for England will come in the near future when they play outside their country. However, I have no hopes of Pakistan beating them in the UAE, with this kinda langdee looli team, they will whitewash Pakistan too. May be in Sri Lanka they will struggle. India’s no. 1 test team in the world euphoria was very short lived may be England will carry this a little longer because, they generally play test matches better than others.

  118. #118 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 15, 2011 - 3:44 PM

    Munir

    Zims are going to do the same to the Paks because, they are in a good form and in their own backyard whereas, this Pak team is full of novices lead by a buddha Missy Babas who is a negative player, he will try to go for a draw even before the start of the lonely test match.

  119. #119 by Aatma on August 15, 2011 - 5:48 PM

    According to some reports Ijaz Butt is set to be re-elected as PCB Chairman after his term expires in October 2011.

    It is believed that all of the regional heads of Pakistan cricket will vote in favour of Butt at a forthcoming PCB meeting.

  120. #120 by Aatma on August 16, 2011 - 8:41 AM

    Cricket board hits back at Enver Baig

    KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Monday reacted sharply over remarks made by Senator Enver Baig in an interview in which he questioned the sincerity of the country’s sports chiefs including PCB chairman Ijaz Butt.

    “Pakistan Cricket Board takes a strong exception of the comments made by Mr. Enver Baig in the media where he has criticised the sports bodies and their administration,” said a PCB statement issued on Monday.

    “It is unfortunate that Mr. Baig, who himself has been suspended on disciplinary grounds by the political party on whose ticket he was made a senator, is now trying to malign the sports bodies with his unsubstantiated arguments,” it added.

    Baig, a former member of the Senate’s standing committee on sports, termed Ijaz Butt as a failure in an interview with ‘The News on Sunday’.

    “It may be asked that what has Mr. Baig done to help Pakistani sports. Has he raised funds for any sports body? Has he used his good offices to fight for the return of International Sports to Pakistan,” said the PCB statement.

    Pakistan Cricket Board has managed to run the game of Cricket successfully despite the huge problems caused by the security situation in the country with its limited resources. Mr. Baig has no idea whatsoever of the financial position of the PCB yet he is accusing the boards officials of taking pleasure trips which is totally opposite to the ground realities.”

  121. #121 by Bichoo on August 16, 2011 - 12:47 PM

    Pressure of 100th hundred the reason Tendulakar seems to have lost his fluency?

    I have started thinking that there is a pattern here. Tendulkar was very fluent last year and early this year in World Cup. He is not out of form. Everything is in the mind for Tendulkar, for he is not the kind of player who has any technical weakness.

    Ever since he hit that 99th hundred, every innings he played he has found a way to get out, he seems to be in huge pressure to deliver this hundred.

    Something tells me that once he hits that and be done with it, he will be very fluent from there on.

    His highest score after the 99th is the 85 in WC semi, we all know how many chance he took for that.

    He should get that hundred soon and be done with it, so everyone including him can move on.

  122. #122 by Mohammed Munir on August 17, 2011 - 5:15 AM

    Bichoo …

    Pressure or no pressure, the fact is that “most Indian batsmen are like faithful husbands, becuase they can perform only at home” 😉

  123. #123 by Mohammed Munir on August 17, 2011 - 5:24 AM

    Thought for the Day …

    Some cause happiness “wherever” they go; others, “whenever” they go.

    Hint: I-Jazz-Butt 😆

  124. #124 by Mohammed Munir on August 17, 2011 - 6:28 AM

    Zimbabwe / Bangladesh Series …

    Matches Played or Lost, so far. 😉

    Tour Match: Zimbabwe XI v Bangladeshis at Harare – Jul 30-Aug 1, 2011
    Zimbabwe XI won by 4 wickets

    Only Test: Zimbabwe v Bangladesh at Harare – Aug 4-8, 2011
    Zimbabwe won by 130 runs

    1st ODI: Zimbabwe v Bangladesh at Harare – Aug 12, 2011
    Zimbabwe won by 4 wickets (with 52 balls remaining)

    2nd ODI: Zimbabwe v Bangladesh at Harare – Aug 14, 2011
    Zimbabwe won by 7 wickets (with 35 balls remaining)

    3rd ODI: Zimbabwe v Bangladesh at Harare – Aug 16, 2011
    Zimbabwe won by 5 runs

    4th ODI: Zimbabwe v Bangladesh at Bulawayo – Aug 19, 2011
    Yet to be played

    5th ODI: Zimbabwe v Bangladesh at Bulawayo – Aug 21, 2011
    Yet to be played

    Two points …

    – Firstly, so then, a ‘Whitewash’, rather a ‘Blackwash’ of the Bangooz on the cards ❓ 😀
    – Secondly, for Pakistan’s forthcoming tour … ‘Tera Kia Hoga, Kaalia’ ❓

  125. #125 by Sagaat on August 17, 2011 - 8:25 AM

    Bichoo,

    You make a very good point. It seems rather than the series what is bothering Tendulkar is the milestone. Now he has somewhat of a history to play for milestones. Some believe that is the reason why he doesn’;t retire and would rather take a youngsters place even though he is close to 40. Thanks for pointing that out– I also think that is it. Maybe I am being a bit harsh, but as usual it is about him rather than India. I think the public has also developed this perception in Tendulkar’s mind that his milestones rather than matchwinning knocks are more important ro them. This is the reason I doubt his modesty– to me he comes across as very egotistical because he places his records before that of the team’s. On the other hand Sehwag is a very modest player who says it the way he see’s it and always throws his wicket in order for the team to dominate. Little doubt then that the best of Tendulkar has coincided with the best of Sehwag. Dravid and Laxman, of course, are the most modest of them all.

  126. #126 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 17, 2011 - 7:39 PM

    Guys! I am a bit down these days because of two sudden deaths in the family so, I won’t be able to write here for a few days. Just pray for us. Regards

  127. #127 by tom on August 17, 2011 - 9:00 PM

    Javed

    sorry to hear about the tragic events in your family. May God give you the strength and patience to bear this loss and bless the souls of the departed. i generally dont do much blogging in ramzan but your situation compelled me to post a comment. My prayers are with u and ur family.

  128. #128 by Mohammed Munir on August 18, 2011 - 7:02 AM

    Dear Javed,

    I read your above comments with sadness to note the unfortunate events in your family.

    Please accept my most sincere and heartfelt condolences at this hour of grief.

    May ALLAH give patience and strength to you and your entire family to bare this great loss, and may the departed souls rest in complete and eternal peace, under ALLAH’s special mercy and forgiveness.

    Your feeling low and not being able to write on LS is understandable.

    Please take care of yourself and your loved ones.

  129. #129 by Bichoo on August 19, 2011 - 3:02 AM

    Javed,

    Sorry to hear about your loss. Times like these are what makes us realize what are the real important things in life. I hope you find peace soon.

  130. #130 by Mohammed Munir on August 20, 2011 - 3:51 PM

    Waqar Resigned 😀

  131. #131 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 20, 2011 - 5:28 PM

    Munir sahab

    Don’t you think the circumstances surrounding Waqar’s resignation are suspicious?

    Inthikab was removed as manager, and then very shortly after Waqar resigns citing medical and personal reasons.

    The media thinks Inti’s report in West Indies when he blamed Afridi for being immature and blamed Waqar for being dictatorial has led to all of this.

    But I agree that it is good news, Pakistan cricket can do with one less politician in the set up.

  132. #132 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 20, 2011 - 5:31 PM

    Tendulkar’s performance has been pathetic, but Sehwag is also pretty pathetic.

    Sehwag has now failed in 3 innings on the trot and has had enough time to acclimatise to conditions. This series has put pretty much everyone under the scanner except Dravid, who is probably India’s best player on England pitches.

  133. #133 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 20, 2011 - 5:33 PM

    In order to protect SRT they have made Laxman the sacrificial lamb, Laxman has batted at no 5 and no 6 all his life and he will not perform miracles by batting at no 3 in England.

    What a joke this is becoming- is this series about winning and retaining some dignity or is it about maximising SRT’s chances of getting a century?

  134. #134 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 20, 2011 - 5:57 PM

    Raina gone, it was only a matter of time. Swann has taken 2 wickets now, you would have thought a fast bowler to make inroads for England but India being troubled by spin as well.

  135. #135 by Sagaat on August 20, 2011 - 5:59 PM

    Khansahab,

    I have also noticed this throughout the series, that ‘a protection’, which is not proving ‘durable’, is being provided to Tendulkar. But to be honest it is also Tendulkar’s initiative to put his hand up and say he should bat higher up the order. I am glad that you have noticed this. Another thing I have noticed- and which you may notice now that I mention it- is that, never ever have I seen Tendulkar praise any bowler or batsman. In other words ALL praise be upon Him. I think he should be the first one to say that there is no comparison between him and Bradman. That is what a modest Tendulkar would do. And, sometimes, also praise a bowler or batsman other than himself.

    Yes, I feel the final test is being played (from the Indian persepective) in order for Tendulkar to make his 100th test hundred. Too bad that even though his catch was dropped, and lady fortune kept smiling at Tendulkar through the innings, he wasn’t able to reach the milestone so that the Indian team is done with it, once and for all.

  136. #136 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 20, 2011 - 6:08 PM

    LOL, India’s nightwatchman can’t even survive.

    The fault is Dravid’s for giving Ishant too much strike.

    But anyway, nothing working for India at the moment.

  137. #137 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 21, 2011 - 9:25 AM

    Sagaat

    I used to think your assessment of SRT was based on a valid rationale (performance under pressure) but after reading your last few comments I am convinced that you are plainly biased. You obviously hold a grudge against him- for you it is about the personality and not about country or nationalism. I am saying this because, whenever you have entered into a SRT debate with Bichoo and Pawan, I think they have interpreted your criticism as an attack on Indian pride, but since you never criticise Dravid or Sehwag, you obviously don’t criticise SRT because of a grudge against India.

    The word “like” is very vague and has many meanings- I would have thought I like Dravid more than SRT. They are both different kinds of players. Dravid has never dominated bowling like SRT has done. It is a team game, and you need to have someone who can play slow and absorb pressure like Dravid, you need to have someone who can consistently keep the scoreboard ticking like SRT and you need to have a Sehwag too, someone who will win matches when he performs.

    The videos I posted- I actually viewed them with no volume as I could not be bothered turning the speaker on. I don’t know what the commentators might have said. But, if you have observed cricket closely you will appreciate the beauty of the shots he scored. I can’t remember ever watching Lara, Inzamam or even Ponting crafting a stroke so beautifully. The drive off Vettori- notice how the ball almost pitches on leg, how he gets to the pitch, creates room and drives it towards the RIGHT of mid off. Notice his timing on that shot. And notice his footwork and balance. If you look at that shot where he barely gets any room, with incredible balance he somehow manages to carve the ball square of off- I mean that is just amazing strokeplay. I have seen Inzamam and some other players late-cut the ball to that region, but never when there is barely any room. That is because he opens the face of the bat. Notice how perfectly he does that in the side view replay. That is called “skill”.

    You never talk about strokeplay, timing, footwork and balance. That is because you don’t look at a batsman as a batsman only- you look at a batsman as a unit in a team. If you are fair and unbiased, you will also criticise Sehwag’s poor technique against inswing and bounce. But, how many times have you done that? You are calling me biased but I repeatedly criticise SRT- in fact I probably criticise him everytime he fails to make an impression. That is because unlike you I don’t hold any grudges and I say what I say on the basis of what is fair.

    A 15 year old can tell you that Tendulkar is more skilled at strokeplay than Lara, Sehwag, Laxman and all these other players. But, you obviously don’t look at the bigger picture because what matters to you is how a player has performed under pressure in Test cricket. You censure SRT for many reasons which are also beyond his control. You give all the credit to Lara for making that 153 which is the 2nd best Test innings of all time, you conveniently don’t look at the bigger picture to see that Ambrose played the best knock of his life under pressure and how Lara benefited from that. When I assess a person’s skill at least I only take into account those factors which are entirely within the domain of the player only. It is a team game at the end of the day and partnerships matter. A batsman’s primary role is to score runs, like how a bowler’s role is to take wickets. It is secondary how and when a batsman scores runs. And how are runs made? They are made by timing, placement, footwork, balance, stokemaking ability- things SRT does better than every other batsman.

    I have also seen Razzaq smashing boundaries off McGrath. Even Afridi has hit sixes of McGrath. They are pinch hitters and they will hit any bowler. Your argument is laughable that if Razzaq can hit 5 boundaries that may make him a better player. It is not about the number of boundaries, but it is about the way SRT took to the attack. Have you ever seen a mainstream batsman (not hit and miss players like Razzaq) take McGrath on like that? Coming out of the crease and hitting him for six over his head. Did you even see McGrath’s face after those shots? If you did, do you think McGrath would emote like that after being hit around for a few by players like Razzaq? When you get hit by Razzaq, you call it “tukka” but when you get hit by SRT, it is called sheer skill. McGrath’s expression was a recognition of sheer skill- it was not a recognition of “tukka”. Please show me videos of Lara where bowlers have appreciated him like that.

    An arrogant Australian can admit that SRT was class, but you can’t admit it? How biased are you? I don’t know why, in your opinion, all that matters is how a player performed under McGrath and that too in Test cricket only (assuming that my recent research where I showed that SRT scored 100s in the only 2 series when both players faced off when McGrath was at his peak, is incorrect). I mean, isn’t that a pretty narrow test? Why not look at how a player dominated most of the great bowlers? Why not look also at how a player played Warne? Why- simply because you think Warne is overrated? Why not also look at performance on greener, more difficult pitches? Perhaps, because if one starts looking at the bigger picture, SRT might appear to be a better player?

    It is laughable how you keep bringing Bradman into the equation. You have never seen this player perform in a live situation. You have no idea in what circumstances he scored all those runs in. If you like Bradman so much then perhaps you can acknowledge the fact that Bradman himself praised SRT and said that SRT plays like how he used to. It was extremely enlightening when you revealed that 99 is greater than SRT’s average of 56, but SRT’s average is 4 runs more than Lara’s Test average. Perhaps you will acknowledge this? Surely this makes SRT the better player?

    One thing is certain though- 50 years in the future if people are like you, then based on SRT’s higher average they will surely consider him to be a greater Test batsman than Lara.

    I have already said many times that I don’t want to criticise Lara because he was a great player, and I refrained from criticising him until you started being very biased and unfair to SRT. However, I can also come up with many arguments to say Lara is overrated. So, it is better to be fair and speak impartially about players.

  138. #138 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 21, 2011 - 9:30 AM

    Sagaat

    About your latest comment, I agree that this is ridiculous where so much focus is on SRT’s 100th century.

    About him not praising other players, I have not seen many of his interviews, so I can’t say either way. I have seen more interviews of Dravid and he always praises other players. However, SRT is definitely known to be a humble cricketer. He has publicly said he does not want to be worshipped. Despite being treated like a God he has never shown dissent towards an umpire, he has never been involved in any altercation. He acknowledges a good delivery when he gets one (when it hasn’t been sent to the boundary, that is- something he does better than Lara or any other batsman).

  139. #139 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 21, 2011 - 9:46 AM

    Shoaib Malik is back in the Pakistan team- he had to be back, we all knew this.

    The reason why K Akmal will be back soon is because of these parchee players Malik, Farhat and Misbah, the batting will flop and then people will demand a keeper who can also bat.

    Malik, Misbah will lose Pakistan many matches and the excuse provided will be that- Laxman and SRT also failed in England, so why should they be blamed?

    Waqar was a pathetic coach, I am glad he is gone. He has taken credit for many victories but the fact is that Pakistan and West Indies are similarly ranked in international cricket.

    Pakistan will probably defeat Zimbabwe and Waqar can leave on a high. But, what a pathetic tenure.

  140. #140 by Mohammed Munir on August 21, 2011 - 11:04 AM

    India’s Test Match Misery Continues …

    Sehwag, well it’s not only the performance that matters but it’s the bloody attitude. With a ‘King Pair’ behind him, the guy comes out slashes two fours in the first over and gets out on the sixth ball. It’s a SHAME !!

    Raina, the less said the better about this IPL hero. He thoroughly failed in South Africa and now once again he is just hopeless. I think Raina should request BCCI to allow him to play only IPL, or at best he should be selected for India’s home series. No overseas trips for him.

    Sachin, after the England tour is over, BCCI should play a few series with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe to allow him to reach his landmark 100 international centuries and then 50 Test centuries. After this we can hope to see some improvement in his performance.

    Dhoni, the ‘Paaras’ is working ‘ulta’ this time round.

    Bowlers, Aahhhhh, no words can explain their plight. 😦

    On second thoughts, every one of us is blaming Indian players, but why nobody is pointing to the good job done by Gary Kirstan and the bad job underway by Fletcher. It seems as if Fletcher is achieving for England what he could not, while being their coach. 😆

  141. #141 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 21, 2011 - 11:21 AM

    What great batting from Dravid, he’s done it again.

    Much more was expected from Laxman and SRT, however, blame also goes to Sehwag.

    Dravid has appeared the only player who has valued his wicket and seems to be in “Test” mentality.

  142. #142 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 21, 2011 - 11:28 AM

    Some stats about Dravid:

    Despite averaging almost 70 in England, Dravid is not as proficient as SRT on other traditional fast pitches of SA and Australia, where he averages 30 and 49 respectively.

    Dravid averages more away than home.

    Dravid was at his peak under Ganguly- his next best performance under a captain, taking out Azharuddin (when Dravid was new to cricket) is under Dhoni. This shows that Dravid has actually performed when good or better captains have been leading India.

    Dravid averages almost 60 when batting in the first innings, but 43 when batting in the 2nd. This sheds some doubt on his pressure handling skills.

    Dravid’s greatest statistics are these- in matches won he averages 66, in matches drawn he averages 65 but in matches lost he averages only 29. This shows that he is a match winner and saver.

  143. #143 by Sagaat on August 21, 2011 - 1:00 PM

    Khansahab,

    Firstly we are all biased– as I have said that, after seeing one shot of Tendulkar’s, you are ready to declare him as the best batsman of all time. I find that ridiculous that you are comparing someone who averages 56 with someone who averages 99.94. I am a person blessed with more emphasis on a sense of proportion. With your line of reasoning, Bradman might as well have had an average of 200 and yet you would say Tendulkar is better than Bradman. Why not then just say Tendulkar is better because I ‘like’ him as the diference in proportion between that of Tendulkar abd Bradman is so vast that, in my view, any comparison after that is futile and an affront to what is rational.

    Whether Tendulkar is actually modest or not who knows. At first I thought he was modest, but I also pay attention to what a player doesn’t say rather than what he says. I honestly think others like Dravid are much more modest because of what they say and what they don’t say. Arrogance can be sometimes tantamount to modesty if that arrogance stems from a belief in the self (positive emotion) versus by saying ‘I am better than others’ (negative emotion).. Likewise, saying the way you see it can be equivalent to modesty. Modesty can mean many things to many people- but fundamentally you would certainly say that as long as the person was kind and compassionate towards his peers, he was modest. Tendulkar with his ALL praise be unpon HIM attitude doesn’t comes across to me as modest. This is the inclination I have.

    The rest of your post is not reasons and justifications, it is more along the lines of poetry– not my domain.

  144. #144 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 21, 2011 - 1:15 PM

    Sagaat

    Not only are you biased against SRT- you also skim read. When making your points, you get so absorbed in the rationale that you disregard some very crucial statements.

    I have said at least 2 times within the past month that I will only rate and comment on those players whom I have seen. I have not seen Bradman play so I will not judge him. That is why I am amused that you keep mentioning Bradman repeatedly- which surely means that you are simply going off a statistic. If you are so keen to go off statistics then SRT’s statistics are much better than Lara’s. So, using the same method of judging players- why not accept then that SRT is better?

    You know there are many batsmen who average more than 60 in Test cricket- they must surely be all better than Lara, then? The reason why Bradman is better than SRT because of his higher average but the reason why Lara is better than SRT because Lara dominated McGrath whereas SRT could not, is just pure bias on your part.

    You speak a lot of logic and justification but your reasoning has massive gaping and vulnerable holes.

    I would suggest that you please answer my points in my previous post with logic and reasoning rather than dismissing a very sound and logical argument as “poetry” which is not your domain.

    If it makes you feel better than rather than saying “SRT is the best batsman” I am prepared to say “SRT is the best batsman of the past 20 years”.

  145. #145 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 21, 2011 - 1:30 PM

    Aamir Sohail has joined PML N.

    He has chosen the wrong party. Even though as an individual he is too arrogant and confrontational, I have always admired his outspokenness.

    He openly opposes Imran Khan- whereas I like Imran more than Aamir Sohail, it takes huge guts to speak against Imran in Pakistan.

    Good luck to him and I hope he realises that there are other parties he can join if he is really sincere about Pakistan.

  146. #146 by Sagaat on August 21, 2011 - 2:08 PM

    Khansahab,

    That one statistic is very, very different. We are not talking about 1 or 2 or 3 points here, we are talking about, say, combining a Dravid and Tendulkar together to make a Bradman.

    Tendulkar is the best batsman in the last 20 years is a much more reasonable opinion. Now whether Lara is better than Tendulkar, or the difference in averages here is that of 2 or 3 points, its not that significant. Here we can take a more consistent player who is less of a matchwinner versus a more inconsistent player who is more of a matcwhinner. Perhaps what you are attributing to luck occurs from consistently playing under pressure? For instance Dravid has made 2 centuries in 3 matches under pressure and they have been in vain, but now he has made another one under pressure and Mishra has made a contribution . He may be able to save this match, but nobody would attribute that to chance. That is precisely because the player played 5 times under pressure and was able to save a match/win a match once under pressure. How often do you see SRT survive with the tail without support from the other end and how often do you see either of Laxman or Dravid? It is just the numbers that churn up that way and what you attribute to chance has good reasons for it. Tendulkar is not the chosen one by lady fortune not to win/save a match. It is just his selfish style of play. In fact he got 3 chances in the first match and got a chance here again.

  147. #147 by Sagaat on August 21, 2011 - 2:48 PM

    From cricinfo,

    “India 300 all out The crowd rises to Rahul Dravid, who carries his bat for 146. Incredible innings from a wonderful player. Shame about his team-mates. India did, finally, reach 300, but could not manage a run more. There are 35 overs left in the day and we suspect England have enforced the follow on but we don’t know as yet. Solid performance from England, they were made to work harder on a flat deck, bodes well for the winter’s work. Confirmation that England have enforced the follow on. Wonder what Dravid will do? He’s so in the zone maybe he should just pop back and do it all again. This table shows just how impressive Dravid’s effort was.

  148. #148 by Sagaat on August 21, 2011 - 5:33 PM

    Tendulkar has an opportunity to save the match. I think I will come out with a lot of respect for him if he can save the match for India.

  149. #149 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 21, 2011 - 11:47 PM

    Thank you everyone for the condolences and words of comfort. Apart from the two deaths in the immediate family on 12th and 15th of August, which is definitely a big loss, one of our very close family friends who was calling us almost everyday during this tough time to console us and comfort us, suddenly died on 17th Aug due to cardiac arrest, which is very shocking and unbelievable mais c’est la vie and that is what we have to accept that life is like a bubble and we seldom realize it. Allama Iqbal said:

    Qulzum-e-Hasti say tu ubhra hai maa’nind-e-hubaab
    Iss zia khanay may tera imtehaan hai zindagi.


    ON CRICKET:

    I have not been able to read all the comments since the last 10 days and have not been following cricket either but, just saw the scorecard on cricinfo. IMO, it was a very stupid decision on part of Dhoni to have send Dravid to open the second innings with Sehwag, he should have send Gambhir or anyone but, not Dravid. Can’t he see that Dravid batted for so long in the first innings, scored a century and carried his bat through. That poor chap needed some rest, he was made escape goat and sent again to bat after follow-on, why? Even a high school level captain would have thought of giving him some rest, and how come this so-called best captain of the world act such stupid? IMO, he is the dumbest captain just riding on his luck that’s all.

  150. #150 by Bichoo on August 22, 2011 - 1:56 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Glad to see you back. On this comment, I couldn’t agree more:

    IMO, it was a very stupid decision on part of Dhoni to have send Dravid to open the second innings with Sehwag, he should have send Gambhir or anyone but, not Dravid. Can’t he see that Dravid batted for so long in the first innings, scored a century and carried his bat through. That poor chap needed some rest, he was made escape goat and sent again to bat after follow-on, why? Even a high school level captain would have thought of giving him some rest, and how come this so-called best captain of the world act such stupid? IMO, he is the dumbest captain just riding on his luck that’s all.

    Reflects my thoughts verbatim. I am sure a lot of people are saying the same thing. Is there only one guy with guts in this whole team to do it all? Gambhir should have opened, so what if he gets out. Asking Dravid to go back again after batting for 7 hours is the stupidest thing to do. As for Dhoni, I suspected always that a villager from Jharkhand can only have so much brains. I don’t want to sound racist or anything, but it is a fact that some of these folks from Bihar and UP have so small brains. Dhoni opened the bowling of this test with RP Singh, who according to many experts send down the worst opening over ever in Test cricket. Dhoni should stick to IPL, T20, and ODI, I have been saying this for a long time. Test cricket is not in his league.

  151. #151 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2011 - 2:25 PM

    Bichoo,

    What I wrote was so obvious and, I am not surprised if you agree with me 100% I agree with you about his Pea Brain which is being compared with Einstein’s just because he had a few wins in his bag and few situations in which he came out successful, it is purely a matter of luck. Remember his debut when he looked like a MILKMAN with long hair and chubby looks and very proudly he used to say that he used to drink X number of liters of milk every morning? Jharkand ka Gawali. That proves a lot of things now, he has hired a PR manager, an Image Manager and learnt English and started wearing designer suits but, that doesn’t change the basic mentality or the shrewdness that a captain requires on the field. Whenever he lost he used to mimic Shoaib Malik and repeat his template, that we are still learning and this is a learning curve and what can we do if there are injuries? What has he done, 20 runs in 2 innings? And, not to mention a 4-0 WHITEWASH. After that Jaddoo’s failed love he has now developed the same kinda liking for Raina who has equaled Sehwag’s record of Double Zeros.

    Talking of Shoaib Malik, that idiot has been selected for Zimbabwe and this is what the PCB is, they have cleared him to return Sania a favour. Ch2So4 Butt sala Murr kion nahee jaata?

    Not only he should be fired from the captaincy but, he should not come anywhere near test cricket arena.

  152. #152 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2011 - 2:27 PM

    Tendulkar has an opportunity to save the match. I think I will come out with a lot of respect for him if he can save the match for India. Sagaat.

    So, what do you say now? Once again he got stuck in his 90’s and I have never seen such a shaky player in the 90’s God knows how many times he got out in his 90’s. He definitely has a 90’s phobia.

    Btw, this Mishra guy, is he a bowler or a batsman?

  153. #153 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2011 - 2:43 PM

    CONGRATULATIONS to Dhoni for successfully losing ALL FOUR test matches and that too with such huge margins it is indeed a complete decimation of the Indian team. The BCCI should open their eyes and put an end to this celebrity status that is making these players into some kinda superheroes. Just look at Gambhir, he made only 3 runs and that BANDER wanted to hit out Swann out of the ground as if he is Chris Gayle or Shahid Afridi?

  154. #154 by Bichoo on August 22, 2011 - 3:54 PM

    Well .. India’s white wash is complete, and there is nothing much to write because it was an expected thing even before this Test started. I don’t think in recent times any result was as clearly visible as this one even before the last Test began. India were so pathetic in 3 tests that everyone knew this will end up only one way.

    How did India become so pathetic?

    An independent investigation must be done and strict reforms must be conducted once the findings are out. Knee jerk reactions won’t help at this time. There is a lot going on I suspect.

    LOL at Jhakand ka Gawali .. yeah, I remember the media wrote up Dhoni drinks so many liters of Buffalo milk every morning and gets his strength from that, typical brainless Bihari.

    Dhoni was superhero after WC win, now he is a super zero.

    Tendulkar .. what can be said of him, he has been a shadow of himself, I knew he won’t score a hundred today, and I mean it like I knew it 100%. I was surprised he reached 91. But he was out 3 or 4 times before as they dropped catches like Pakistan did in WC semi. So even England dropped catches off Tendulkar to let him score 100th hundred and he couldn’t.

    As I said he is stuck on 99 since that brilliant hundred against SA in WC. Every innings since then has been shaky. Eventually he will get to it one day, since there are so many ODIs coming. But who cares anymore? I don’t personally. Indian team got white washed after going to England as #1 ranked team. They need to fix the problems, that is the only thing that matters now. Tendulkar hundred or not is irrelevant. He should play and contribute, if he cannot he should retire. Not drag on.

    There will be outcry in India. But Indians need to learn to do things methodically, if they are to fix these problems.

  155. #155 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2011 - 8:24 PM

    Bichoo

    There is nothing more to add after what you wrote above, except for “I am agree.”

  156. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 22, 2011 - 8:27 PM

    Virender Sehwag and Ishant Sharma have been ruled out of the limited-overs leg of India’s tour of England. Mumbai batsman Ajinkya Rahane and Jharkhand fast bowler Varun Aaron will replace them cricinfo.

    LOL another Jharkhand ka Gawali in the team.

  157. #157 by Mohammed Munir on August 23, 2011 - 5:53 AM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ “CONGRATULATIONS to Dhoni”. 😀

    Btw, this Mishra guy, is he a bowler or a batsman? Well, actually, this guy Mishra he is neither a good bowler nor a good batsman, but the only reason he is a keep (Dhoni Ki) in the team is bacaaz Bhajji failed miserably. 😉

    India got thoroughly WHITEWASHED and BLACKMOUTHED (Moun-Kala). 😆 Check the results below:

    1st Test: England v India at Lord’s – Jul 21-25, 2011
    England won by 196 runs

    2nd Test: England v India at Nottingham – Jul 29-Aug 1, 2011
    England won by 319 runs

    3rd Test: England v India at Birmingham – Aug 10-13, 2011
    England won by an innings and 242 runs

    4th Test: England v India at The Oval – Aug 18-22, 2011
    England won by an innings and 8 runs

  158. #158 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 23, 2011 - 6:09 PM

    This is from cricinfo:

    “Sachin Tendulkar:

    Or the man who picks family over country. Tendulkar decided to skip the whole West Indies tour so he could spend time at home, of course, only after he had played one and a half months of the IPL. We hope every ten-year-old cricketer around the world feels inspired to do the same.”

  159. #159 by Mohammed Munir on August 24, 2011 - 5:21 AM

    India played like Bangladesh in disguise – Boycott

    Former England batsman says that he expected a better contest this summer, and India’s bowling was so poor that even a second string England team would have out bowled them.

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2011 - 1:19 PM

    Shoaib Malik cleared by the PCB to play for Pakistan in Zimbabwe, whereas Danish Kaneria has been asked to submit inquiry tapes and his case has been adjourned till Sept. 27, 2011. Whereas, Malik has not been able to prove how those Pound Sterling 90,000 are sitting in his bank account?

    This is KHULLAM KHULLA HARAMI PUN AND RACISM TOWARDS A HINDU PLAYER ~ POOR KANERIA WILL GET OLD FIGHTING HIS CASE and by that time he will not be fit to play cricket anymore.

    IJAZ BUTT & CO. are supposed to be Muslims and Pakistanis? I think Butt has PIG BLOOD in his viens. May be it will be an insult for a PIG to compare it with Ijaz Butt?

  161. #161 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2011 - 1:23 PM

    Shukar hai Boycott did not say that the English bowlers could have bowled out the Indian team twice with even with an ORANGE !

  162. #162 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 24, 2011 - 1:32 PM

    QUOTE

    Broad’s all-round heroics

    Broad, who was declared England’s player of the series, returned outstanding figures of 25 wickets at an average of 13.84. His average is the sixth-best among fast bowlers who have picked up 15-plus wickets in a series against India. In the second Test, both Broad and Bresnan joined the list of England players with a fifty-plus score and a five-wicket haul in a Test against India. Swann, who wasn’t quite at his best in the first three Tests, bowled superbly at The Oval and picked up his 11th five-wicket haul. His average of 40.69 was much better than that of Harbhajan Singh and Amit Mishra who averaged 106.66 and 143.50 respectively.

    As another indication of England’s all-round dominance, Prior, in the hugely-important role of a wicketkeeper-batsman, comfortably outperformed his counterpart Dhoni. He averaged 67.75 at a run-rate of 5.14 and the confidence in his batting was reflected in his quality keeping. Dhoni, on the other hand had an ordinary series as a wicketkeeper and struggled with the bat averaging 31.42 at a run-rate of 3.25.
    UNQUOTE

  163. #163 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 24, 2011 - 7:54 PM

    Sagaat Sagaatabaadi,

    Nigah e Faqr mai shaan e sikandari kiya hai…..

    (Alexander’s burnished throne
    Is naught to the pious eye)

    Khiraaj ki do gaddhaon ney, woh qaiseri kiya hai….

    (A throne that begs for alms,
    Is not worth a groat.)

    Pasand aa gayi hai zamaney ko “I am agree” meri…….

    (The world has taken a liking to my “I am agree”)

    Wagarna mera shair kya hai!? Meri shayari kiya hai!?

    (Although, what is the worth of my couplet? My poetry!?)

  164. #164 by Bichoo on August 25, 2011 - 1:15 PM

    Sachin Tendulkar’s failures in England is glossed over by media

    Indian media as well as most of the English media has simply glossed over Tendulkar’s failures being one of the prime reasons why India were so abject in England. Think about it this way, he is at the pivotal position of #4 where he has to protect the lower middle order and make big runs to help them accelerate. Had Tendulkar made big hundreds in first innings of at least two tests in this series then the result would have been much favorable. Instead, he got two half centuries when it really did not matter. The manner in which he got these runs were also not confidence inspiring.

    Yet, the support group and fan base in the media has kept it all under covers. All these talks about injury, fatigue, under prepared, would not have mattered if the biggest gun in the line up fired big time. Tendulkar needed to score a double hundred and another big 150+ hundred in two tests, had he done that then having Dravid already scoring big India would have dominated several sessions.

    It is not at all surprising to see media covering up for Sachin and protecting him. He always gets away with everything.

    It is time to consider that Tendulkar is the white elephant in the room. He is chasing his personal glory of 100th hundred while putting team’s interest at stake. At the oval he almost taken over the glory from Dravid had he scored the 100th hundred, while playing one of his worst innings ever in Test cricket. All of India would have danced for it while forgetting what a pathetic series they had.

    I have come to believe now that Tendulkar is holding up team progress by taking all the attention to his records. It is time for him to hang up his boots and move on. Unless he can redeem himself and the team by scoring heavily as expected of him in the coming matches. No point in having Tendulkar around as just of the batsmen. He need to step up and dominate opposition, or else call it a day to a glorious career.

  165. #165 by Sagaat on August 25, 2011 - 3:12 PM

    Bichoo,

    Your analysis on Tendulkar is very impressive. In the final innings he goot 6 chances, in the one he made a 50 he got 3, and he kept on getting chances here and there. Dravid was unlucky in that I didn’t see him get one chance. If Dravid were provided more chances, then the cutcome of the series may have been entirely different.

  166. #166 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 25, 2011 - 4:28 PM

    Bichoo and SagaatIMO, had Tendulkar gone to West Indies, he would have easily scored a 100 over there and that would have let his pressure go but, he decided to stay home and spend time with his family. That is why someone on cricinfo taunted at him that, ” he thought about the family first and country second only after playing six weeks of IPL and all 10 years old in India must take this inspiration from him.”

    Also, I agree with Bichoo’s view that for Tendulkar personal record is more important for him now than the team performance plus he is lucky that he has been getting chances since the World Cup and he is so lucky that he didn’t get one chance but, 4-5 in some of the matches including the WC. And, I am not sure because, I didn’t see the matches, but I was told by a friend that when Dhoni forced sent Dravid to open the second innings after he had scored 146 n.o. in the first, he was given LBW in the second innings whereas, he was NOT OUT- Is it true? If you guys have seen that, must be knowing the truth so, please reconfirm to me just for academic purposes. Thanks.

  167. #167 by Bichoo on August 25, 2011 - 4:46 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I agree that had Tendulkar gone to West Indies then he would have been much better prepared for England, and it is likely he would have gotten that hundred and done with it, even if he didn’t he would have been better prepared. Instead he planned to be in England all by himself before the team arrived and started practicing with Monty Panesar bowling to him in the nets. He probably thought Swann is the biggest threat and hence was preparing with the help of Panesar. Strauss then found out about this and stopped Panesar from bowling to Tendulkar in the net. This is all very selfish of Tendulkar when I hear about it. Why should he prepare with special help, just because he can. He should have been preparing like Dravid did, by batting in Test matches and working out in the gym and being fit. Instead he spent time with family since he was too special to play only against England. Well, it back fired big time, as England had some mathematical analysis done on how to tackle him and bowled on that plan to him. This is why they worked out him methodically, by the time he figured it out, it was too late. Wonder why it did not work on Dravid.

    Anyway, Tendulkar is now too focused on this 100th hundred business and that is why he is under pressure so much. He will get it eventually, after 20-30 years no one will remember how he got there, only that he is untouchable as a batsman based on records, just like Bradman is based on the average.

    As for Dravid getting out in the Oval test second innings, it appeared that it was a marginal decision, Dravid said perhaps he had a faint edge, but the review was inconclusive, yet the decision went in favor of England. That happens a lot because when ever a team is bowling really well, even the marginal decision go to them as the umpires believe the bowler got it. glen McGrath used to get many such in his favor in his playing days. It was a disgrace though that Dhoni had to sent Dravid again, simply because Gambhir would not bat, and Tendulkar would not open or move up to #3 position.

    I have not been very critical of Tendulkar in the past because of his years of service to Indian cricket and the pure joy he brought with his batting. But this tour and his post World Cup as well as his WC final performance has tilted my opinion. Now I think he is going on for too long without extra ordinary contributions. Tendulkar is expected to make extra ordinary contributions just because he is considered the best batsman in modern history and in the cusp of making history. If he were some regular batsman I would have been more liberal.

  168. #168 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 25, 2011 - 5:59 PM

    Bichoo

    I don’t think there would be any player (at least in our life time) who would break Tendulkar’s records, like no one can beat Don Bradman’s average in test cricket. So, they both will remain legend of their own kind. And, I do agree with all that you have written above on Tendulkar and, I dunno if you remember when I wrote on this blog about Tendulkar’s absence from the Indian squad for West Indies, I was surprised and for me, it was like one of those Shahid Afridi’s decision when he decided to retire from test cricket and surprised all, at least I was surprised at Tendulkar’s decision not to go to WI. That is exactly what I meant when I wrote he would have not only scored that hundred but, he would have been mentally better prepared for England. Like you have said, by the time he realized it was too late. I didn’t know about this Panesar thing but, it is really sad if he has done that, it is actually pathetic.

    When I criticized Dhoni for sending Dravid to open the second innings, I said, Gambhir should have gone or even Tendulkar, if Tendulkar can open in ODI’s why can’t he in tests? Besides, Tendulkar and Ganguly opened so many test innings he should have volunteered just for one ocassion but, he chickened out or Dhoni thought he is the best judge. In either case it is India’s loss.

    Like you’ve said, Tendulkar always gets away with everything because of his status and for Gavaskar’s dream he will score that hundred one day and in future no one will remember how he reached there struggling in the nineties like a novice but, in the end what matters for people like Gavaskar is a milestone and a record. But, that is not cricket which is a team effort and not a solo effort. In Pakistan we have people like Misbah and Malik who are there just because of their solo efforts TEAM JAYE BHAAR MAY.

  169. #169 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 25, 2011 - 8:04 PM

    Bichoo

    SRT’s performance was extremely disappointing and earlier I had already said that he should retire from Test cricket.

    But, why is no one pointing a finger at Laxman? If he is such an incredible pressure player that sometimes people claim he is a better Test batsman than SRT, wasn’t it his responsibility to show some more resistance in the later Tests?

    Laxman’s average was a miserable 23 in this series.

    If SRT’s status is huge it does not mean the others should be disregarded. What about Sehwag, another player whom some people claim is a better Test batsman than SRT.

    SRT has shown dubious Test credentials before and in one way his failure to play a pressure knock and save a match highlights something we already know about him, but Sehwag and Laxman were utterly disappointing and this series proves that they are overhyped Test players in actual fact.

  170. #170 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 25, 2011 - 8:31 PM

    Sagaat

    Responding to your last comment about this SRT debate, I want to firstly clarify that when I posted those 2 videos (which triggered this debate) my intention was not to tease or provoke you because I did not expect you to respond vehemently like you did. I was just admiring his strokeplay there and just wanted to share something very exquisite with you.

    What I don’t understand is how, when you give so much preference to relatively narrow factors such as pressure innings in Tests, performance that too under McGrath and that too when he was at his peak in 2000-2003 etc, how you can just make a judgment about Bradman because of his average? In other words, we have a lopsided analysis; on one hand we are just looking at a very narrow, small picture when rating Lara as the best batsman of the modern era, but on the other hand we are prepared to endorse an extremely wide factor, the batting average, to say that Bradman must be the all time best batsman.

    There must be Test batsmen who averaged in 60s and 70s (I think Graeme Pollock averaged in the 60s) but, why not hold them out to be better than say, Laxman, who averages in the mid 40s?

    In my opinion, Bradman may or may not be the best batsman of all time, but I will never be able to say this definitively because I haven’t seen him bat.

    About SRT’s batting, if you are only looking at match winning or saving ability then he is not that great a batsman. You have to be careful in exploring this point however, because SRT’s role in the team is primarily of a run accumulator whereas someone like Laxman plays to play the pressure knocks.

    This is something you see in many teams. Inzamam’s role had become to play pressure innings whereas Yousuf was more of a run accumulator. In Australia Ponting was their run accumulator whereas Clarke and Hussey were the pressure players. In the time of Bevan and Waugh, they were the pressure players. I could never expect Yousuf to play under pressure like Inzamam did, simply because this is division of labour and specialisation.

  171. #171 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 25, 2011 - 8:42 PM

    Bichoo

    SRT has 51 centuries in Test cricket. He is not going to make 75 or 100 centuries so the time has come for him to retire.

    He has 48 centuries in ODI. He can complete 50 centuries comfortably and it will also be a new record and then he can retire. So, the 100 centuries are definitely going to come, but he needs to retire from Tests now if he wants to preserve his larger than life status.

  172. #172 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 25, 2011 - 8:43 PM

    I forgot to add that a lot of this is wishful thinking because the BCCI and general Indian public will only want to see SRT retiring from Tests after he scores a 100 or makes a good score in a match and ends up saving or winning it.

  173. #173 by Sagaat on August 26, 2011 - 2:12 AM

    Khansahab,

    1) Suppose player X averages 100000 and player Y averages 56. In this instance, without seeing player X bat, would you be able to say, based on logic alone, that player X is/was better than player Y? If so, we can deduce by logic alone some of the times that a certain player is bettter than another player so and so

    2) Now that we can deduce players’ worth based on logic alone some of the times, without seeing him bat, consider this: Sachin Tendulkar’s average is 56 percent that of Donald Bradman’s. 56 percent of Tendulkar’s average is around 30. For the comparison to be equal, suppose batsman X averaged 30 and made 4 times the runs that Tendulkar made (that is, a batsman a calibre of Razzaq in terms of average), would you say he was better than Tendulkar jbecause of longevity or perhaps a certain beauty that you see in his style of play? Isn’t logic sufficient to say that Tendulkar was a much better run-machine than Razzaq without actually seeing this hypothetical Tendulkar bat? Here it is clearly the ‘degree’ of difference which makes it logical that one player is better than the other without necessarily seeing the players bat. The difference between LAra’s and Tendulkar’s average is minute, that is, Lara’s average is more than 95 percent that of Tendulkar’s. Just see how this may appeal to our intuition in another instance: Inzamam averages 90 percent that of Mohd Yousof, yet it is debatable who was the better player. Inzamam was a better pressure player and a matchwinner whereas Mohd Yousof was a better run accumulator. Here the debate is justified, and this sort of debate appeals to our intuitions. But between a hypothetical Razzaq (that has 4 times the longevity that Tendulkar has) and a Tendulkar, nobody would argue who is the better player based on logic alone?

  174. #174 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2011 - 1:20 PM

    Although India won a 50 over match against Sussex but, Tendulkar’s pathetic form continues, he scored 21 runs and got out against an unknown bowler. Rohit Sharma scored some runs and I wonder why he was not included in the test team in place of Gambhir?

  175. #175 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2011 - 1:28 PM

    DAWN’s HEADLINES: Misbah ul Haq the captain of the Pakistan team said, “Pakistan vows to beat Zimbabwe for Waqar.”

    Now, Waqar Younus is so important that he has been placed over the country. You play for the country, you don’t want to win for the country, but you want to play to remain loyal to some individuals or, to cement your own place in the team….. like I have said, TEAM JAYE BHAARR MAY, add to that now, MULK JAYE BHAARR MAY.

  176. #176 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 26, 2011 - 8:01 PM

    Sagaat

    I didn’t understand point 2 of your comment.

    I don’t want to write any further and may contribute more to this when I feel like it.

  177. #177 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 26, 2011 - 8:29 PM

    Talha should have been selected/Malik recall ‘unfair’: Sarfraz

    KARACHI (APP) – Former Test paceman Sarfraz Nawaz said on Wednesday that Pakistan will be facing tough times in the upcoming Test and one-day series against Zimbabwe because of its weak bowling attack and poor selection.

    “Resting pace duo of Umer Gul and Wahab Riaz and not considering young all-rounder Hammad Azam and pacer Muhammad Talha was big injustice and blunder,” he said in an interview. “Pakistan bowling attack will be exposed with only experienced bowler in the line-up Saeed Ajmal,” he said.

    He, however, said left arm pacer Junaid Khan is talented bowler and could prove future star. He said team should have been selected with an eye on the upcoming series against Sri Lanka and England and on 2015 World Cup.

    Sarfraz Nawaz said lanky fast bowler M Talha is great prospect for the country with Hammad Azam, who is immensely talented.
    He alleged that Chief Selector Mohsin Khan has misguided Chairman Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Ijaz Butt in the selection of the team.

    “Bad results against Zimbabwe could put Pakistan cricket in disarray and it may harm them in their build-up for home series against Sri Lanka and England in United Arab Emirates,” he maintained.

    “Instead of picking aged Aizaz Cheema, selecting young Talha could have been benefiting on a longer run,” he said.
    He said Zimbabwe had lifted their morale by beating Bangladesh in Test and One-Day Internationals.
    Commenting on the selection of Shoaib Malik, he said it was unfair as he will deny an emerging batsman a place in the team.

  178. #178 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 26, 2011 - 8:38 PM

    Not including Hammad Azam in the team is very suspicious, I think the Butt Administration and Selectors are not happy with him for personal reasons like they are not happy with Fawad Alam and Shahid Afridi. This is really unfair on part of Fawad Alam and Hammad Azam because, both are very talented players and both are young, instead of giving them a chance people like Misbah and Malik are included in the team, what a shame!

    IF I have to vote for Pakistan’s future captain, I will vote for Hammad Azam, he is young, talented and has a cool head, he needs to be groomed as a captain and he should remain as a captain for at least a decade. You cannot have oldy goldies in the team who are biased and chose only those players who are either their GIRAYEEN or those who butter them, secondly, they will retire soon, they have to have a long term view and, I don’t agree with the notion of Hafeez’s selection as the captain.number one, he is also not so young and will retire soon secondly, Hafeez has just started showing his form, he might end up in his shell if he is added with extra responsibility of captaincy. The credit goes to Shahid Afridi for making the best use of Hafeez and keep on playing him despite criticism. At times when Hafeez was not performing a year or so ago, even I was critical of his inclusion in the team. So, in my opinion it is better they don’t even think of making him a captain.

  179. #179 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 26, 2011 - 8:47 PM

    Zulqernain Haider’s latest comments:

    Akmal brothers at it again they have conspired against me with the help of Lahore management and now I am out of the Lahore teams too

    They have ruined the whole cricket in Pakistan

    and Afridi was right, These Punjabis are also involved in getting rid of Afridi

  180. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 27, 2011 - 12:12 AM

    Has anyone read Ponting’s comments on cricinfo about Dravid? He says he convinced Dravid not to give up during his lean patch and he is happy that Dravid played so well in West Indies and in England and for him (Ponting) it is an inspiration. Ponting has also commented about the kinda averages the players have these days which is in the tune of 30-35, he said, during his teenage years, if anyone with that average was not even considered for selection in the team and he said, if I had that kinda average my father would have bought me a soccer or rughby ball and asked me to try my luck in other games but, not in cricket. How, true! Our Jiyalay have averages between 25-35 and they think too much of themselves.

    India should consider itself lucky that they escaped this T20 match by winning it against Kent by 5 runs. Once again Dhoni has confirmed that his heart is where Padukone is, so he is mentally with her and physically on the ground. Poor, Pathetic captain his luck has deserted him.

    KP is not playing against India in ODI based on his poor form since 2008 wherein he has scored only two 50’s so once again India is lucky and the English ODI squad is not that great becase most of their players are new, hence you never know.

  181. #181 by Sagaat on August 27, 2011 - 3:22 AM

    Khansahab,
    The point was, Tendulkar’s average is 56 percent that of Donald Bradman’s average. For the sake of grasping the difference in ‘degree’ between the averages of the two players, let us take a look at what 56 percent of Tendulkar’s average looks like: Around 30. In essence an average equal to that of Razzaq. In other words Bradman versus Tendulkar is equal to Tendulkar versus Razzaq (based on averages alone). Now Razzaq can have as many 50s he likes, as many runs he likes, as many matchwinning knocks he likes, etc, but the difference in the averages is such that nobody would doubt that Tendulkar is regardless a much better player than Razzaq. Now why are the same qualities, such as, matchwinning knocks, ability to play under pressure, etc more important, and decisive, in Tendulkar versus Lara? Because the ‘degree’ in the difference of averages is not that great. To grasp this in another sense, see how it appeals to our intuitions in another context: Lara versus Tendulkar can be thought of as Mohd Yousof versus Inzamam. Inzamam has an average around 90 percent that of Yousof, whereas Lara has an average around 95 percent that of Tendulkar. Isn’t it reasonable to ponder over whether Inzamam, with his matchwinning ability, was a better batsman than Mohd Yousof, certainly much more reasonable than comparing Razzaq with Tendulkar (which is what it is to compare Tendulkar with the Don, based on averages alone)?

  182. #182 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 8:42 AM

    Sagaat

    When you hear about Bradman you just hear that his average was 99. You might have heard that he was compact, or that his style of play was like SRT’s. But, what else do you know about him? You can glance at his stats on Cricinfo, but would that paint the full picture?

    In those days cricket was not heavily regulated. Maybe he played with a kind of bat which would not be allowed in modern day cricket. Maybe many catches were dropped when he used to bat. Maybe he used to fix matches. Fielding standards were zero in those days.

    He only ever played against 4 teams in his career and he never played outside England or Australia. How would he have fared on spin friendly pitches? How would he have fared on uneven surfaces?

    Can you tell? You didn’t even watch the guy bat.

    That is why I keep telling you that there is no point comparing someone who played 50 years ago to someone who plays now. When people say SRT is the best batsman of all time, they take into account his performance in all formats of cricket, against all oppositions, in every part of the world. That is because when you look at the bigger and complete picture, he is actually the best batsman of all time because what he has to his credit and Bradman does not, is scoring heavily everywhere against all oppositions, in all formats. I think this is it is extremely logical for someone to make this point to declare SRT is better than Bradman. If you want to go off one statistic and use a narrow approach to say why Bradman was better, equally you should tolerate if someone makes the point I am making.

    What part of that do you find so illogical ?

    If Bradman was playing today and he was averaging 99, then I would probably hold him out to be the best batsman. Your argument about Razzaq vs SRT holds absolutely no ground if you use my reasoning here, because SRT and Razzaq played in the same era and SRT averages almost twice as much as him.

    Maybe if Bradman played in the 70s or 80s I would be more open to compare SRT with him, but he just played in a totally different time.

    Your argument about Inzamam vs Yousuf again only takes a very narrow factor, match winning ability, into account. “Batting” unfortunately also consists of how a player’s performance is on greener tracks, performance away from home, performance against the best teams, performance against Lee, Clark and Johnson at their peak, performance against Warne, performance in ODI’s and T20, consistency etc.

    I can’t put this in any simpler words, Sagaat, if you want to be stubborn and still compare apples with pears, and still use 1 factor, match winning ability, to rate a batsman, then call I can say is, “Dil ko behlaaney ke liye Ghalib yeh khayal acha hai”. If you want to be fair and look at 90% of the factors that should be used to assess calibre, then you will conclude that SRT is better.

    I remember Mushtaq Ahmed, Saqlain and Mohd Sami playing the innings of their life to help Inzamam win matches for Pakistan, I remember Ambrose playing the innings of his life to help Lara make 153 and win that Test. But I have no memory of Kumble, Prasad, Sreesanth, Nehra etc ever playing good knocks to help SRT win a match.

  183. #183 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 9:10 AM

    No doubt Tendulkar will score his 100th ton in England: Akram

    Karachi: Former Pakistan captain Wasim Akram feels the fourth Test at The Oval will provide Sachin Tendulkar with an ideal opportunity to reach the milestone of scoring 100 international centuries, in the ongoing four-match series against England.

    The Oval is the venue for the fourth and final Test.

    Akram is, however, not certain if the champion batsman would be able to get to the landmark in the third Test at Edgbaston, where the ball swings around, and the pressure would be on India to come back into the series.

  184. #184 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 9:12 AM

    I heard that Wasim Akram was commentating during this India England series?

    He was surely not representing England, so he must be representing India.

    This is an upwards surge in Akram’s Indian career- first, voluntary adviser to India’s fast bowlers, next, bowling coach of KKR, and now Indian commentator.

    What is next? Bowling coach of the Indian team?

  185. #185 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 9:17 AM

    Afridi suggests PCB to appoint specialist coaches

    KARACHI: Former Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi has advised PCB to appoint specialist coaches and a powerful manger with the national team instead of a head coach.

    Afridi said that a powerful manager is the need of the hour for the Pakistan team under whom specialist coaches for batting, bowling and fielding should work.

    “Not appointing a head coach will be the best decision. There should, instead, be a strong and competent manager along with assistant coaches,” he said.

    Afridi was of the view that the new formula will help in avoiding controversies.

  186. #186 by Sagaat on August 27, 2011 - 1:06 PM

    Khansahab,
    You might have heard that Hafeez’s style of play is compact like that of SRT. Does it then make him like SRT?

    In those days a lot was different, the pitches were ‘sticky’, there were no helmets, etc…that doesn’t mean that it should hold us back from a comparison? What should, however, hold us back from a comparison is the ‘degree’ of difference in averages between the two players. I think you missed the whole point in my last post of pivoting the argument around that one statistic alone: It is the degree of difference in that statistic that is defining. To appeal to that degree of difference intuitively, I showed you how a similar difference in degree of that statistic would lead us to a comparison between Razzaq and Tendulkar. He only played against so and so teams, in so and so conditions, but there is a certain threshold where those differences matter. In my opinion the details here are irrelevant. If you want to, however, compare the two players in the same playing conditions, that is, England, Australia, etc, then by all means go ahead and do so.

    Firstly, you say we can’t compare the two players because they played in different eras, and then you contradict it by saying, people say Tendulkar is the best batsman of all time…then eventually you say that this is why you think he is the best batsman of all time. In my opinion we CAN compare players between different eras, so long as the comparison is reasonable in terms of degree. SRT and Bradman is not a reasonable comparison. After all is said and done, you say which part of your logic do I not understand?

    My argument of Razzaq versus SRT makes a lot of sense once you see it as an analogy and expand your imagination to think of a Razzaq which has 4 times the longevity of Tendulkar . It is a thought experiment to make obvious what seems confusing to many people. The masses are driven by faulty logic most of the times, but we will make sure we don’t indulge in the same here, right?

    Again you missed the point in the comparison between Inzamam and Yousof. It was the analogy I was referring to…have my habbits of skim reading translated into you, because certainly the point that I am making isn’t that hard to understand.

    Eventually you resort to poetry. Poets can see heaven in a grain of sand. I have no interest in poetry, except listening to Ghazals. Perhaps you can sing a Ghazal to convince me that SRT is in any respect comparable to the DON?

    As regards to your point of Ambrose supporting Lara, or Sami supporting Inzamam, etc…I have answered it many times before. Without ever replying to it, you just forget it, and that is frustrating. In fact what is more frustrating is the fact that you admit that Tendulkar has no matchwinning ability, you refer to him as an accumulator, and then you come up with all the reasons in the world to justify the lack of his matchwinning ability. When the heart is in the wrong place, no amount of reasons will suffice. Sometimes support a Pakistani great player like you support Tendulkar, too?

  187. #187 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 2:41 PM

    Sagaat

    I wrote a long and very comprehensive reply to you but my comment disappeared somehow. Shayad uss mai hi kuch Allah ki behtari ho.

    I am not going to respond again, save that, because you have used spoken about supporting a Pakistani great player, shows that there is some patriotic bias and you are not analysing the debate as a neutral or at least not willing to trust my impartiality.

    Objectively speaking, who is more fair now? I write to promote what is right and fair, not to promote a nationality. If the debate was between Wasim and Waqar I would say a lot in Waqar’s credit.

    If you are concerned about why I am not supporting any Pakistani great, then this shows that I won the debate even before it started. Not that this debate was about “winning” or scoring points- but I am speaking metaphorically/poetically.

  188. #188 by Sagaat on August 27, 2011 - 3:53 PM

    Khansahab,

    Honestly speaking, that was to question your objectivity. There is a difference in thinking impartial and appearing to be impartial. My impression is that you appear to be impartial but you tend to get emotional and defensive when we discuss Tendulkar’s credentials. My question was that, you never defend, even as a matter of debate, any Pakistani great the way you defend Tendulkar. I have nothing against Indians. My experiences with them are positive and I don’t mean you should be patriotic and support a Pakistani player (unconditional support in the name of patriotism is nonsense in my opinion). I am not favoring the Don over Tendulkar because he is Pakistani (which he is not), it is because that is waht logical and rational analysis of the two players’ suggests. I am not driven by popular opinion in making my choices, and that is pretty much it.

  189. #189 by Sagaat on August 27, 2011 - 4:01 PM

    Khansahab,

    For instance I have not ever seen you say, that so and so ball of Wasim akram (the magician) makes him a great bowler, that Imran Khan’s 8-for on such occasion was so pivotal in Pakistan’s victory, or refer to the doggedness of Miandad’s batsmanship. But you can still be mesmerized by one shot of Tendulkar.

  190. #190 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 4:47 PM

    Sagaat

    It is strange you are questioning my objectivity because, you know already I am not Indian. But, you have some association with Pakistan. So, if there is anyone’s objectivity that comes into question it is yours, and more so because you have actually shown that this Indian-Pakistani thing is at the back of your mind.

    I was beginning to believe that when I, during perhaps the first SRT vs Lara debate, questioned that you were criticising Lara to attack Indian pride, had made an error in judgment. But today you have shown that I was not totally wrong.

    I am an emotional person generally- that is one of my few Pathan traits. My loyalty is more to what is right and what is fair than Pakistan. So, if I feel someone is being unfair chances are I will become more emotional than when I am having to speak about Pakistan, unless someone is being unfair towards Pakistan.

    To be honest I have never seen you discuss Wasim Akram’s magic deliveries, or Imran Khan or Miandad much either. Neither have I seen Javed A Khan or Munir sahab discuss them much. So, are we all Indians in disguise or something? Or is this another occasion where you want to put forward a narrow point without looking at the bigger picture (which is that none of the “Pakistanis” here discuss these “greats” much) 😉

  191. #191 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 5:04 PM

    WOW, this is how a democracy should function. The leaders serve the people. This is a wake up call for the people of Pakistan.

    Anna Hazare wins, Indian Parliament passes resolution on Lokpal Bill

    NEW DELHI: Both Houses of Parliament on Saturday passed a resolution conveying the sense of the House on the Lokpal Bill, paving the way for Anna Hazare to break his fast.

    On a motion moved by Pranab Mukherjee, Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha passed a resolution conveying the sense of the House on the Lokpal Bill.

    After the passage of the resolution, Speaker Meira Kumar adjourned the Lok Sabha till Monday.

    There was some confusion over whether the resolution was passed by a voice vote or not. Apparently, no voice vote took place.

    “Thumping of the desk is akin to passing a motion by voice vote,” Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar told Times Now.

    After the passage of the Lokpal resolution in Lok Sabha, Rajya Sabha also passed the resolution.

    Team Anna welcomes the passage of the Lokpal resolution, Kiran Bedi said.

    Some of the important points of the Lokpal resolution passed by Parliament are:

    *An effective Lokpal at the Centre and Lokayuktas in states be set up.

    *Employees of centre and state governments to be brought under purview of Lokpal and Lokayuktas respectively.

    *All government departments to have citizen’s charter with timeline.

    With a copy of Lokpal resolution and a letter from PM Manmohan Singh, Union minister Vilasrao Deshmukh would now go to Ramlila Maidan to meet Anna Hazare.

    Earlier, the team Anna said they have received a communication from the government that a resolution carrying their demands on Lokpal Bill will be put to a voice vote, a move which they termed as a “very happy” development.

    Fresh trouble emerged this afternoon after government decided only to convey sense of House to Team Anna and not put the resolution for voting, the activists hardened their position saying it was “betrayal” and only a resolution which will be put to vote will be acceptable.

    This forced the government to change its stand. The activist’s camp said they have received the communication from the government about its decision to put the resolution to voice vote.

    The 74-year-old Gandhian has been on fast for the last 12 days, demanding the passage of the Jan Lokpal Bill by Parliament.

  192. #192 by Sagaat on August 27, 2011 - 5:06 PM

    Khansahab,

    My impression was that you were elated when Asif and Aamer were stung by the News of The Wworld. You may crucify former Pakistani greats whenever you get an opportunity. Yet you can declare the world over and Tendulkar the best bastman of all time based on one shot, with little or no regard to the history of the game 😉 There’s the anomaly and double standard. Would I be being objective if I were to pick one ball of Wasim and say , that is why he is the best bowler of all time? Anyway, I don’t care whether you are objectivee or not, logical clarity always leads us closer to being objective– and so long we can debate with logic, we can get closer to the truth.

  193. #193 by Sagaat on August 27, 2011 - 5:24 PM

    Khansahab,

    Btw I have always mentioned Imran Khan’s all round skills and how statistically he is a superior player to Tendulkar or for that matter any other player apart from the Don. I have also mentioned Wasim’s magic and Mcgrath’s effectiveness. Then l have questioned many myths in the cricketing circles. For instance, the excessive important attached to ‘100’s’ (which is just a number like any other), why 200s should not be treated as 2 100s, why when they decide the all time 11 they tend to attach number’s to each position and yet bundle up the middle order without enumeration, and so on…you could say the points that I have raised have almost always stemmed from logic rather than bias.

  194. #194 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 5:27 PM

    Sagaat

    Would you not be elated if corrupt elements are exposed and removed from the team? You wanted the trio to remain and continue to fix matches? 😉 Of course I was pleased they were caught. That is because it proved that I am a good judge of character. I knew something was not right with Butt mafia and Asif. I can generally tell when people are crooked, just like how I can tell when people are biased 🙂 I can also tell a good batsman when I see one.

    You are entitled to your opinion and if you feel Wasim Akram is the best bowler based on say, his performance in the WC final (assuming there was no ball tampering or match fixing) then I would welcome your opinion. But if you want to debate that Wasim was better than Waqar, then i might have a thing or two to say.

    What is logic to me may be folly to you and vice versa. I think what is more important is that a person looks at the bigger picture. Strokeplay, shot selection- these are the reasons why SRT has made so many records. Those are not that only good shots he played- and I never said that he is the best batsman based on one shot. You are making this up because a drowning man will clutch a straw. My exact words were,

    “This is the reason why he is the best batsman of all time- check the first drive and then the shot at 3:20”.

    I didn’t say this shot is the only reason. By the word, “this” I meant his strokeplay in general. It is not difficult to understand what meaning I was trying to convey because immediately after that I also wrote a comment about his general strokeplay (after your very emotional and scathing criticism). At the same time of posting that video, I also posted a video were he hits some jaw dropping shots off McGrath. So, your logical mind should have deduced that it was strokeplay in general and not one, two or three shots.

    But bias is something that obliterates logic.

    And I am pretty sure I have not seen anyone play those shots like SRT, but I have surely seen Waqar bowl better than Wasim. I can say that Waqar has bowled the best balls I have seen (assuming no tampering) but Wasim in my opinion is overrated. This is something I have said many times before but you obviously will disregard that because you are not serving the interests of logic or fairness, but of bias.

    Almost every time SRT has not performed, I have criticised him, but you never criticise Lara, Sehwag or Laxman. Wonder who really serves logic and fairness and who serves bias.

  195. #195 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 27, 2011 - 5:30 PM

    Sagaat

    No big deal- I have also mentioned Miandad’s last ball six, Imran Khan’s captaincy, comparison between Wasim & Waqar, Younis Khan’s batting, plenty about Afridi etc.

    So I do discuss and praise Pakistanis too.

    I don’t want to go into detail about Miandad and Imran though because I have not seen them play.

  196. #196 by Sagaat on August 27, 2011 - 6:37 PM

    Khansahab,
    Elation is perhaps not the right word to associate with players being caught in matchfixing scandals?

    Would you be elated if Tendulkar were to be caught matchfixing or caught tampering the ball? I don’t want you to answer this question, but probably ask it to yourself? Whether you would have that reaction if a great material player (in fact two in Pakistan’s instance) were lost to the game? How did it prove you were the right judge of character? By looking at his father’s picture? If I may ask, do you, like Richie Benaud, find Tendulkar very good looking? 😉

    Actually you should feel the loss, but appreciate that justice has been done regardless.

    I asked if I were to show that one ball that Akram bowled to Dravid in a test match series, and say, this is why he is the best bowler in the world with no regard to the history of the game, would it not show my bias?

    Logic is not the same, but once we reason and rationalize, we get closer to the truth. We find where we are biased when we are tested constantly with opposing reasons. Certainly, debating with logic is closer to the truth than making declarative statements which may seem quite extraordinary to the neutral-eyed person.

    Well, this reason or multiple reasons, Hafeez is also exquisite in his strokeplay, but he is not certainly the best batsman of all time. Strokeplay doesn’t rule him out, but basic logic does.

    First you say there is no logic without bias, and then you say, bias is something that obliterates logic (How do these contradictions appeal to your lawyer charms? ;)). I say we are, and will always remain, biased. We can only get closer to the truth and we can do that through reasoning and rationalizing.

    I have seen Brian Lara (the magician) dominate a bowler better than SRT, and hit shots with more fluidity and aesthetic beauty (in terms of the movement of wrists, body, etc). And, I have seen Hafeez hit shots exactly like SRT. There is no definitive answer here and certainly this sort of reasoning would not sway logicians (lawyers and mathematicians respectively) like us, but perhaps convince the extreme of the right-brained population.
    I feel you criticize SRT to appear neutral. Isn’t that the case Khansahab? 😉

  197. #197 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 28, 2011 - 10:50 AM

    Sagaat

    Asif and Aamir cannot be compared with SRT. One of them has been playing for 20 years and one of them barely played for 2 years before this tragedy happened.

    If SRT was found guilty of match fixing, the reaction from all corners would be utter shock. You can’t compare apples with pears- although Aamir was too inexperienced, Asif had been playing for some time and he was already a very controversial figure. Cricketers are ambassadors and good behaviour attracts respect. This goes not just for SRT but also for Dravid.

    I think both SRT and Dravid have been fined for ball tampering , but it’s the humility with which they carry themselves on the field that attracts respect.

    But to a biased mind, SRT checking his shot after playing the shot would seem like arrogance, whereas Lara using unnecessary footwork or raising his leg while playing the pull would seem like “style”.

    Do you remember how you called Rana Naved a paindoo and criticised his behaviour? I feel Asif was similar. I won’t talk about looks because that is hitting below the belt. Maybe you think Lara was better looking than SRT- it does not matter to me.

    The spot fixing saga did prove I am a good judge of character because I never had a good feeling about Butt, Asif or even Aamer. You can read the blog archives if you don’t believe me. You actually know I am telling the truth here, but you have unfortunately run out of arguments. In fact, you have zero logic and zero merit in whatever you are saying because you have moved the discussion from cricket to “looks”.

    If you are talking about Wasim’s swing in general and post a video of that ball to Dravid (assuming no ball tampering or match fixing) then I don’t think you would be showing any bias.

    Sagaat, logic and rationalising is not something you read about in a book and look to practice it in real life. You don’t do a degree in logic. You seem to get involved in a very academic discussion about logic and reason. Rather than study textbooks and articles to determine logic and then align your thoughts to what you have read, just try and accept that your logic may be nonsensical to someone else who is competent enough to reason himself. So, please don’t lecture me about reason, logic, rationality because I am not a college or university kid.

    Hafeez is not very competent or exquisite in his strokeplay because he is a sitting duck when the ball is swinging and can’t play a decent stroke if his life depended on it. Sorry but your Hafeez argument is just ridiculous. Hafeez will not be able to carve out a drive off square with no room like SRT was able to do in that video. Please show me one video where Hafeez has been able to do something like that. This blog is not just read by the two of us- hundreds of people read it. Do you realise you are comparing Hafeez with SRT? Is this what the pursuit of logic has borne for you?

    Meray bhai I never said there is no logic without bias. When did I say that? Yaar yeh kiya khichri or khayali pulao paka rahay ho tum. That kind of comment seems typical of you, not me. It is very clear you are biased, but I am not biased. I have also seen Lara hit good shots, and very stylish shots, but not with the skill of SRT. Why don’t you post some videos of Lara creating shots from deliveries with no room, or showing excellent placement which you would not normally expect? By movement of wrists and body I hope you don’t mean unnecessary footwork or raising the right leg when playing the pull- that is just style with you have embellished by using “aesthetic beauty”- I am talking about real skill, which is timing, placement, balance and shot selection.

    LOL, yaar if I criticise SRT to appear neutral, at least I make an effort to be neutral. Thori si neutrality tum bhi dikha do meray bhai.

  198. #198 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 28, 2011 - 6:39 PM

    “…………….But you can still be mesmerized by one shot of Tendulkar.”

    If some people can get mesmerized by one shot of Tendulkar, then there are more people mesmerized by several of Shahid Afridi’s effortless shots that he sent them outside the stadium on many occasions. “I am agree” that one shot alone cannot make someone a maestro. Tendulkar’s record will remain for decades like I’ve said before, during our lifetime no one can break it but, he wasn;t or isn’t a match winner or an entertainer, he is an accumulator and on many occasions he has played for records and these things will not be on record only his centuries and runs will be and that will make him a legend, he already is a legend now. Still, I don’t really admire his batting, I mean he is there playing and cutting shots in the gaps and sometimes drives them but, not always. But, anyone would like to have him in his team because he is an accumulator and run getter and nothing extraordinary.

    I saw a few old matches between West Indies and England and West Indies and Australia i.e., when Sir Viv Richards used to play in his hey days, I was so impressed by the effortless yet extremely powerful cover drives and square cut shots that he played all along the ground, the ball used to race to the boundary all along the carpet and not a single fielder used to move from his place and the ball would disappear to the fence. AND THAT IS SOME CRICKET TO ADMIRE. If you guys have not seen Viv Richards batting, get some old tapes and see. Even Majid Khan used to play like that and i.e., why they used to call him Majestic Khan.

  199. #199 by Sagaat on August 28, 2011 - 9:16 PM

    Khansahab,

    First of all you posted the picture of Asif’s father in a derogatory way. It was bleeding obvious to anyone reading the blog that you were referring to how, in your view, ugly his father looked. Afterwards, or perhaps prior to that, you compared his picture to that of Dilshan’s, which is not wrong by itself, but as you mentioned a person driven by logic can make his interpretations. Within the context, the whole sense I got out of it was that you were borderline. And, then you say, “I won’t talk about looks because this is hitting below the belt”

    The discussion on looks aside, humility is a very subjective idea. I don’t think of self-belief as being opposed to humility. If SRT were truly modest, then he would deflect attention from himself some of the times. He might say so and so is his favorite player, say so and so he idolizes, or say how a player inspires him. Ponting can come that and do it, Dravid can praise Lara, but SRT’s attitude is that of all praise be upon himself. This is completely a matter of interpretation—and in my view SRT is not modest. This is what I have realized after careful deliberation.

    I am not lecturing you about logic, but referring to my interpretation of it. Variously logic for you is different, opposing things (the one that can’t exist without bias and the one that is “obliterated” by bias), so obviously you haven’t reconciled your view on logic despite being in a college or university.
    Hafeez hits shots exactly like SRT. But of course you have missed the point completely. Shots alone can’t determine who was the better player. If I were to say that Wasim was the best bowler in the history of the game based on a couple of balls he bowled, I would be completely biased. Here you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

    Bhai I don’t want to start a debate here in which we post shots of players to prove who was the best batsman of all time. Like Javed Khan has said, people like Majid Khan, Zaheer Abbas, even Saeed Anwar were also very stylish players. You can’t pick a couple of shots of a player and say that is why he is the best batsman of all time. Here we can agree to disagree.

    I wasn’t comparing Hafeez with Tendulkar, but referring to the similarities in their style of play. I said logic rules out the comparison if you read carefully, although the style of play is quite similar.

    I am not biased at all. That is your impression and I can’t care less about what you think. I feel Tendulkar is overated, let alone the best batsman of all time. I don’t feel that longevity, after a certain threshold value, should be as important as it is being considered to be. And, all his records are because of his longevity, not because of his average, matchwinning ability, etc..for God’s sake after playing for 20 years he has 4 double hundreds, whereas the Don had 9 doubles and a triple in less than a 1/4th career. Where is the comparison? If somewhere we are comparing apples with pears, then this is it…

  200. #200 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 28, 2011 - 9:49 PM

    Sagaat

    I did not post Asif’s father picture because of his ugliness. I posted it to show the expression of ignorance and pigheadedness on his face. Whether his father looks like Tom Cruise or whoever does not matter to me. In village mentality Asif’s father might actually be considered handsome. Maybe he was considered handsome in his village in his youth- it could be a possibility and he was possibly better looking than his son in his youth.

    Sagaat

    I want to say something to you today and I don’t ever want to mention this ever again.

    Javed Khan and I are two different people. He is a lot older than me, he has a different profession, he is not related to me. He looks different to me and we are not always similar in our thoughts and feelings.

    The person who compared his picture to Dilshan was Javed Khan, not me. So, please don’t confuse the two different people. When the spot fixing news came out it was Javed Khan who did a thread immediately- I am now wondering whether you confused him with me again.

    Although I have not seen many interviews of SRT I have seen him praise Gavaskar and Bradman. And I have also seen him say on TV that he does not want to be called a God and he does not want that kind of adulation.

    Please show me where I said that logic can’t exist without bias. I am sure that I have not said anything like this, and if I have something along those lines you have taken the wrong meaning. Please give me a chance to clarify, but at least tell me when I said it. Unless you don’t tell me where I said it I will keep assuming that you have made this up yourself.

    I have already told you that strokeplay and shot selection in general is something different to one or two shots. I can’t show you 150 shots of SRT, I wish I had the time to do that, but unfortunately I don’t. So I showed you about 10 shots maybe, in those 2 videos, and I explained that the strokeplay and shot selection is exquisite. Now it is up to you whether you want to construe that as me saying that he is the best batsman because of 2 shots in his 20 year old career. If your study of logic leads you to believe that has some merit, then maybe you will believe that I indeed said 2 shots in 20 years can make someone the best batsman.

    I have told you categorically that style is something very different to real skill, which is seen by timing, balance, shot selection etc. Of course Lara, Anwar and others are more stylish than SRT. But that does not mean that their shots are more skilled. Dhoni is also stylish in his own way, with his ugly swipes. That is “style” although it might be an ugly style to some.

    You are talking about his longevity, but with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 calender years, he always seems to be in the top 5 run scorers in a given year. isn’t that an indication of calibre? The fact that he just scores many runs- isn’t that the primary job of a batsman?

    Maybe if SRT only played in India or England in his entire career he would have had 50 double hundreds (since the Don only played in 2 countries)? If not 50, maybe 25?

    I agree with you there is no comparison, because it is an unfair comparison as the Don played in only 2 countries, against only 4 teams and that also 50 years ago when the game was very different.

    After saying in your past 5 comments or something that “we are all biased” and after bringing this Pakistani-India issue in this argument, you have now come up with “I am not biased at all”. If you can’t care less about what I think, at least care about what you write, because you yourself admitted in previous posts that we are all biased (something which I refuted when defending myself). And for God’s sake please now learn that Javed Khan and I are two different people and don’t confuse as between us because you have done that for a long time now.

  201. #201 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 28, 2011 - 10:21 PM

    Sagaat

    I also want to make it clear to you and other readers that khansahab and I are two different people and people on cricinfo used to get confused and used to say that we are just one person with two different names. By now you must be knowing for sure that we are two different people. Sometimes we both have expressed the same thing at the same time and that is because we both felt the same away about a person or a team, a player whoever. But, there are times we both have disagreed with each other and that is because we are two different people.

    I dunno if you remember earlier on Pakspin days khansahab used to praise and support Shoaib Malik, but I was totally against him because of his mean nature and his Meesna pun. To me he appeared as a very selfish player, it took khansahab some time to realize that and he agreed with me after that. So much so that years later, now Intekhab Alam and Abdul Qadir mentioned about him as a “termite” who can eat your brain. Abdul Qadir said, he is one player who plays such dirty politics and create groupings in the team that is so unwanted and undesirable and he pesters and bugs everyone and he wanted to send him back from Dubai to Pakistan during the middle of the tour.

    The point is, some people have better understanding in judging human relationships while others have less, but sooner or later people do understand if they look at that person’s actions without bias and prejudice and in Malik, Misbah, Kamran, Salman Butt’s case I was never wrong and its a proven fact that they are extremely selfish players and they play for themselves and not for the team. The irony is some people, rather a lot of people still don’t have that ability to understand the truth and they still support Misbah as a captain and Malik as a great all-rounder and they do it purely on the basis of regionalism, they are blinded by this jingoistic approach, in other words they do not have the ability to see what the truth is?

  202. #202 by Sagaat on August 28, 2011 - 10:40 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I agree with you about all these players. I, like you, have always argued against the inclusion of these players. I considered Shoaib Malik’s couple of 50’s in SA very selfish. At that time people were praising his efforts, but I felt something about Malik was amiss.

    On the other hand I considered Asif and Aamer as very good bowlers and I think it was a great loss to Pakistan cricket, not a matter of jubiliation, that these players were lost to matchfixing. I know you felt that justice had been done, but I never felt you were elated when they were caught in the spot fixing scandal. Your reaction was similar to mine. As you know in Pakistan as soon as a good player appears on the international scene, there are immediate over-the-top declarations, that is, Aamer is a Wasim Akram, Asif is a Glen Mcgrath, etc….and these things get in the players’ heads. It is also the case that many of the players come from impoverished backgrounds, whether they be villages or otherwise (through no fault of their own), and they are more vulnerable to the allure of fame and money. Nevertheless the PCB doesn’t has a proper education system in place.

    Khansahab,

    I will respond to you in detail later. However, you mentioned that Tendulkar is the best batsman of all time based on that one shot. You said something in the order of, this is why he is the best batsman of all time. In my view no-one is near the Don, his average is three standard deviations from the mean. Of course, statistics is not something that is your domain, so I tried to make this more apparent through the use of analogies. You took the comparisons and analogies quite literally and our debate has widely diverged from that point on…but I will respond to your points in detail later.

  203. #203 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 28, 2011 - 11:10 PM

    Sagaat

    You are welcome to write what you like, but I am done with this debate.

    You are just being petulant- and you will keep twisting my words or putting words in my mouth. Rather than addressing the subject matter at hand you have resorted to making below the belt remarks.

    So, I don’t want to debate any further because only one person amongst us wants to debate with in a proper manner (not hitting below the belt, not putting words in the other’s mouth) and I actually now feel participating any further will not serve the interests of intellectual or reasoned discussion, but of petulance.

    There is a serious credibility problem with whatever you will write, because you don’t seem to remember which person, said what, about whom, in what context. You are a renowned skim reader, everyone from Munir sahab, to JAK to Bichoo tell you that you don’t read others’ comments properly. You confuse JAK with me all the time and you obviously don’t judge him and me correctly- you will obviously muddle up your assessment of JAK and me, because you keep confusing as between two different people.

    Sorry if it sounds like I am backing off, but I genuinely feel it is for the greater good.

    I am sorry if this sounds abrupt but I just feel that if we continue with this debate, you will continue to:

    1. Confuse as between me and JAK
    2. Skim read
    3. Make below the belt remarks
    4. Write in an offensive tone such as lecturing me about logic (last week I think you said that, you thought I have good analytical skills or something, I wonder if I have changed your opinion now?) It is quite offensive that you seek to lecture me about rationality and logic- it sounds very big headed and slightly obnoxious on your part.

    So, this is the end of this debate.

  204. #204 by Sagaat on August 28, 2011 - 11:36 PM

    Khansahab,

    1. I never confused you and JAK. My apologies if my memory didn’t serve me well. But nevertheless if someone is from a village, he is from a village. In my view there is nothing wrong with it.
    2. You seem to be skim reading, as you have misunderstood my points time and again. You took my analogies in a literal sense.
    3. I never made below the belt remarks. You may point to any if you felt I was offensive. My apologies if you felt that way.
    4. I never lectured you on logic. I gave you my interpretation. You were a participant in the debate on logic and constantly kept on contradicting youself. In fact I have pointed to quite a few contradictions of yours. I have no interest in going over what is written above again and point them again. I am not trying to belittle you when I say so, but only seek clarity in opinion.
    5. Once you made that initial remark on Tendulkar being the best batsman of all time based on one shot, you have constantly evaded my questioning of that point. You haven’t responded to my analogies, either. I have always replied to you point by point, yet your responses have been arbitrary, picking and choosing what you see fit to respond to (except probably in your last retort)

    If you don’t want to participate in the debate, so be it. It is better to refrain from the debate if you feel it is turning sour. I think I am saying the way I see it and you are saying the way you see it.

  205. #206 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2011 - 2:10 AM

    Wow Sagaat, that was a nice gift from you for khansahab, I am sure he will forget the debate after seeing ………………………………… “That Woman” 🙂 😀 😀

    Vaisay, Khansahab, I have not seen Sagaat making below the belt comments, so please apna ghussa thook dou, when there are testosterone there is always some “Garma Garmi” I am sure Sagaat never meant to downplay you or your views, I agree that every one has his own views about players and whether we agree or not is another matter.

    Ps. I think khansahab would go GA GA over photo number 17

  206. #207 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2011 - 2:14 AM

    Sagaat

    Don’t you think this man http://www.dawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Mirza-543.jpg
    is UGLY like hell?

    He is making a mockery of Islam and Quran by keeping the Holy Book on his head and trying to fool the illiterate masses. Do you think our Prophet would have ever used the Holy Book as a pretense to make a mockery of the religion? Shame on this BASTARD Zulfiqar Mirza. Now, I really hate him and I mean it.

    Details on this link:

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/08/29/quits-party-post-sindh-cabinet-and-assembly-mirza-lashes-out-at-malik-mqm.html

  207. #208 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2011 - 2:21 AM

    Bichoo

    Indian players too powerful, selectors negligent, says Ian Chappell

    The BCCI are in the business of making money, more so than cricket: Ian Chappell.

    NEW DELHI: Former Australian captain Ian Chappell slammed the Indian Board for letting its senior players have too much say and the selection committee led by Krish Srikkanth have been negligent which has led to this debacle in England.

    “The BCCI are in the business of making money, more so than cricket. They have let the senior players have a bit too much say in what they want and the selectors have been negligent in their duty,” Chappell was quoted as saying.

    Chappel had even some more harsh words for Srikkanth-led committee for failing to plan for their future and get the combination of players right.

    “It almost seems to me like the selectors have said: this is a terrific period for us, we are going to make the most of it, and if we leave the mess to the next lot, too bad. I say that they have not done anything really to plan for the future at all,” Chappell added.

    Chappell has also questioned the selection committee’s intent of finding a potent bowling attack for all conditions.

    “India need a decent bowling attack to build a good team around. When India became the No. 1 Test team, I said that I did not see them maintaining that position under all the different conditions. They have not also faced up to the fact that Harbhajan Singh has not been a good attacking weapon for at least for a good two years now. And where are the good fast bowlers?,” he questioned.

    “Apart from the fact that the selectors have not faced up to the issue of an ageing batting line-up that is terrible in the field in a five-day game,” he fumed. “I have never seen a winning team tire. All the tired teams are the ones that are losing. India at the moment are losing.”— Agencies

  208. #209 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 8:33 AM

    Sagaat

    Meray Bhai, I told you I don’t want to continue with this discussion, but it would have been nicer if you had not put a spin on my words or totally mis-reported them, or assumed that I was ridiculing someone’s ugliness when I was not doing that. It would also have been nicer if you had not mentioned this India-Pakistan issue, or questioned about my feelings for what happened to the spot fixing trio. As I like in the UK I was the one most affected by this spot fixing incident, because it became the focus of gossip for everyone who knows about cricket and became headlines on every UK newspaper.

    It would want to make good points and show why your point is better than someone else’s, you should write like how I write. I am not lecturing you here because I am not trying to imply that I write better than you, or know more than you. But “things get rough in the heat of the moment” when you start implying that someone is trying to favour India, someone may like SRT’s looks (even if that is a joke, a joke based on someone’s looks is not a good joke), or that someone would think someone is the best batsman based on one shot over 20 years. When you say things like that it gives the impression that you have no good points to make, and just want to argue for the sake of arguing while offending others in the process.

    In the end I just want to say that, I accept none of the points in your last comment. Please accept my apologies for not explaining why but it should be very obvious.

  209. #210 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 8:38 AM

    Sagaat

    Thanks for posting that link.

    I will have a look at it after Ramzan. There isn’t a lot of time left!

    Since the past 2 or 3 months I have changed a little. I don’t tend to look at girls on the internet anymore. I have stopped listening to love/romantic songs. I now only listen to Naats, Nasheeds and Hamds. I have also started writing poetry- I never thought I would be interested in this but it just came to me.

    This Ramzan it is remarkable I have not looked at girls at all.

  210. #211 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 8:50 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Zulfiqar Mirza is a clown. He is an ethnic supremacist- he only have that press conference because the Rangers conducted an operation in a SIndhi area of Keranchi and found terrorists, weapons and torture cells. In one torture cell they found 18 Urdu Speaking people who had been tortured. And Mirza was saying in his outburst that only MQM is involved in crime in the city.

    Unless MQM also responds by putting their hand on the Quran, no one will take them seriously. If Mirza is telling lies MQM must surely react by taking oath in the Quran. Otherwise I will also feel that Mirza is telling the truth, at least about some issues if not all.

  211. #212 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 9:08 AM

    BTW Zulfiqar Mirza’s comments don’t take into account that MQM’s mandate consists of millions of people. Mirza may have sown the seeds for a neverending conflict in Karachi that threatens the foundation of Pakistan.

    Now who will be responsible if there is endless killing and 100s or 1000s of people die in the near future?

  212. #213 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 9:10 AM

    This bastard Mirza started killing people and now look at what is happening:

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/08/29/feeling-insecure-pakhtuns-start-leaving-karachi-2.html

    Because of violence perpetrated by Sindhi over Urdu Speaking, the Pashtun has to leave Karachi?

    Well done Mirza, I wonder what the Pashtun leaders now have to say about their friend Mirza. It was inevitable that ethnic tensions would be affected bigtime because of these stupid policies of Mirza.

  213. #214 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 9:24 AM

    Pathetic performance by Pakistan in the tour match vs Zimbabwe.

    The only half centuries came from Younis and Azhar Ali.

    Misbah got a duck from 36 balls.

    Pakistan bundled out for 222 from 75 overs, pathetic performance.

  214. #215 by Sagaat on August 29, 2011 - 12:01 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I don’t think religion should be mixed with politics. This guy Mirza is using religion to gain advantage in politics. I am not so aware as to the details of what is going on in Karachi. All I know is that there are a lot of ethnic tensions. But the people should not pay heed to these oaths on the Quran– all these politcians are gifted liars and make mockery of religion by appealing to the masses through it.

  215. #216 by Sagaat on August 29, 2011 - 12:47 PM

    I am not aware of the whole story (that is the reasons behind the killings in Karachi), but this is what Zulfiqar Mirza said:

    KARACHI: Hurling serious allegations against the United States, Interior Minister Rehman Malik and the Muttahida Qaumi Movement and its chief, Dr Zulfikar Mirza announced on Sunday afternoon that he had resigned from the Sindh cabinet, the assembly and as senior vice-president of PPP’s provincial chapter.

    The PPP government was swift to distance itself from Dr Mirza’s trenchant diatribe against the MQM. Federal Information Minister Firdous Ashiq Awan told reporters that the views expressed by Dr Mirza were his own and had nothing to do with the PPP.

    Dr Mirza, who is former home minister, was speaking at a crowded press conference held at the Karachi Press Club on a short notice and spread over two hours, probably the longest of its kind.

    While he was addressing the conference in the packed hall of the KPC, a huge crowd of his supporters from Lyari gathered outside. The charged partisans, including youths, women and children, arrived in buses and other modes of transport. They raised slogans against Rehman Malik and torched some party flags.

    Seated with the general secretary of PPP’s Karachi South chapter, Zafar Baloch, an emotionally charged Dr Mirza alleged that Rehman Malik distorted facts at meetings with President Zardari and said “without the MQM in the government, Karachi would be in flames, the PPP government would be sent packing and Pakistan would suffer”.

    He said that at a meeting held in the presidency at which it was decided that the commissioner system in Sindh would be reversed, he had offered in the presence of the Sindh chief minister and party leadership to sign an undertaking that if he failed to restore peace in Karachi and other parts of Sindh within 15 days, he would not only surrender all his property, including sugar mills and bungalows, to the party but would like to be hanged on a busy city square to be made an example for others.

    Criticising the MQM chief, he said in 2001 Altaf Hussain had written a letter to British Prime Minister Tony Blair saying his party was ready to bring thousands of people on the streets in his support. At the end of the letter, the MQM chief had requested him to dismantle the ISI before it could create many more Bin Ladens, he said.

    He alleged that Mr Hussain had told him in a meeting in London that the United States had decided to break up Pakistan and his party also supported the move. He quoted Mr Hussain as saying that he would therefore continue killing Pakhtuns.

    He alleged that Altaf Hussain was a killer and his party was a terrorist organisation. All orders of killing came from London and, when another order came, killings stopped.

    He said if the response to his speech was the killing of any of his family members, the reason could be understood. But instead, 15 poor people, including labourers, were killed.

    Calling anyone hungry and unclothed was not an abusive term, he said.

    Dr Mirza asked journalists if any of them had seen the list of 15,000 missing workers of the MQM which was often talked about.

    He said the killers got released on parole included one who had killed 36 people. He could not have been saved from death penalty by anyone except Allah. “If I get such a person released from prison, for example, he would be prepared to kill 360 more people for me.”

    He said once during a meeting at the Governor’s House he had had some altercation with Anees Qaimkhani (of the MQM).

    “Governor Ibad called me into his chamber and advised me not to lose my temper. Anees Qaimkhani is a senior party member who has given sacrifices for the party.”

    Dr Mirza said he asked Dr Ibad about the name of the father of Anees Qaimkhani which he failed to recall. Then he asked him about his own father and the governor said who did not know “your illustrious father Justice Zafar Hussain Mirza”.

    Referring to his meeting with President Zardari two day back in Islamabad, he said he had admitted to him that he could neither tell lies nor do ‘acting’. Therefore, he did not qualify as a politician and asked him to tell him if there was any university where he could be taught how to tell lies and act like politicians, he said.

    Criticising the interior minister, he said he had informed the PPP leadership, the prime minister, the speaker of the National Assembly and the chairman of the Senate that if Pakistan suffered, it would be because of Rehman Malik.

    He said Mr Malik “is the biggest enemy of Pakistan as he has nothing at stake in Pakistan. He does not even have a barber’s shop here as his entire family lives abroad. Therefore, it would be better to get rid of him,” he claimed having told the president.

    He said Rehman Malik was not directly responsible for the murder of Benazir Bhutto but he had failed to provide her protection which was his responsibility.

    Dr Mirza praised the sacrifices of the ISI, which, he said, had helped Pakistan survive in the face of odds.

    He said he would never think of parting ways with the PPP as he had no differences with its leadership and his good relationship with President Asif Ali Zardari would continue.

  216. #217 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2011 - 1:35 PM

    Sagaat

    That was my point that taking oath on Quran in public is an attempt to convert lies into truth, yes educated people will not pay any heed to this bastards haramipan, but poor, uneducated masses will and that is what he wants and he has succeeded in breaking the unity of people and creating animosity among people from different regions.

    Atmaa
    Yes, Missy Baba laid a golden egg
    after remaining in labour for over an hour and facing 36 balls to make that zero. “Bahot Shore Sunntay Thay Haathi Ki Dumm Ka, Jo Dekha Tou Sala Rassa (rope) Bandhaa Thaa.” Selfish players end up pathetically because they are scared to loose and play only for themselves.

  217. #218 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 29, 2011 - 1:58 PM

    Intekhab Alam rewarded

    He has been appointed as Head of the Selector’s who will choose the Head Coach for Pakistan cricket team. What a stupid move!!!!!!

  218. #219 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 3:30 PM

    Javed A Khan

    This is pathetic in Karachi because the uneducated people are misled by power hungry and biased MF’s.

    The MQM is famous for killing people of other ethnicities, I think it is very likely that the majority of Pashtuns that have been killed have been killed at the hands of MQM.

    Unless the MQM responds by taking oath on the Quran, all fingers will point towards them.

    But, this is pathetic that the recent violence has been between Sindhi and Urdu Speaking groups in Lyari, and a third ethnicity is leaving because of the trouble. What a sad situation in a lawless and uneducated society.

    In Musharraf’s time there was no violence of this kind in Karachi.

    Many people are saying that Mirza did this to secure support from all Sindhi nationalist groups so that they can face off against PML N in the next general election. But, was it necessary to provoke ethnic tension to achieve this aim? The timing of this is very crucial because the Supreme Court has NOW taken notice of the killings in Karachi, after 1500+ have died, and rumours are that Mirza and his criminal gangs would have been exposed. Therefore he is now coming up with all these allegations so that some of the blame shifts towards the MQM as well.

  219. #220 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 3:49 PM

    Eid is in Peshawar on Tuesday.

    Rest of Pakistan will probably do it on Wednesday.

  220. #221 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 3:51 PM

    Sagaat

    I think Mirza’s allegations should get investigated because he was holding the Quran (no one has ever held the Quran like this) and because he provided some documentary evidence.

    The way to respond to this is to bring your own documentary evidence and take oath on the Quran. Otherwise, the inference is that you cannot face the truth.

    He could have raised these concerns as a motion with the Supreme Court, but the way he has done it will only cause terror in the residents of Karachi and first signs have shown as Pashtuns are looking to leave the city.

  221. #222 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 4:15 PM

    PM of Pakistan visits mosque for Friday prayer, due to his security arrangements the road is blocked and many people are unable to pray. The public expresses their anger.

  222. #223 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 4:47 PM

    LOL

    In the 2 day tour match no winner was declared, but Zimbabwe outscored Pakistan.
    Poor start to Pakistan’s tour.

  223. #224 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 4:53 PM

    According to reliable sources U Akmal is set to marry Abdul Qadir’s daughter.

  224. #225 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 5:07 PM

    What a ball. Arrogant Aamer Sohail in the commentary box:

  225. #226 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 29, 2011 - 9:43 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Zaheer Abbas is also in that committee that is hunting for Pakistan’s next coach.

    There is a lot of hue and cry about whether a coach should be local or foreign, but what they really need is a foreign selection committee to select talent in Pakistan.
    Coaching is more about mental preparation but the selection committee picks talent.

    There will be less corruption and nepotism if a foreign selection committee is employed, the only unfortunate consequence would be the disgrace to the country.

  226. #227 by Sagaat on August 30, 2011 - 4:19 AM

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/image/530255.html?page=1

    MS Dhoni awarded a doctorate. I don’t know why they present doctorates or the honor of ‘sir’ to sportsmen. After all they are just cricketers and not our greatest minds, whether scientists, philosophers, writers, etc…

    On the other hand PCB has appointed a committee to look for a coach. I think if the ‘right’ coach is appointed, he should be awarded all the power rather than the captain. This is because Pakistan isn’t producing players which are great tacticians, managers, etc.. Secondly, if cricket were to raise its standard, then the job of a tactician, manager, etc would be a specialized skill. In general the more the specialization, the higher the quality of the product, skill…For instance, lets take a look at how to raise the standard of fielding. If players were assigned fielding positions in an arbitrary way, then player X would have to learn multiple skills, that is, be at the third man, long on, long off, slips, etc….and for that to happen the player would have to practice all these skills. On the other hand if you had a ‘specialized’ third man, a specialized long on, long off, etc, then in practice the time to be devoted for ONE position would be a lot less and the player can be much more skillful within his domain than if he were to practice multiple skills.

    I can also anticipate that in cricket the role of a manager/coach would get more stronger (especially with the introduction of 20/20 cricket) like that in soccer. I have written before that creativity is also an important skill for a manager.

    Lets see if someone can get these ideas across to the committee and look for a coach that shows logical maturity (the ability to think tactically, envision a well-rounded team by looking at various scenarios, etc). If such a coach exists in cricket, then all power be upon him.

  227. #228 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 30, 2011 - 2:54 PM

    Sagaat

    In the past i.e., up to Inzamam’s time the captains have more powers than the coach, all over the world, the captains have more powers in choosing the playing XI, so why change this tradition? Coaches like Intekhab, Waqar, Aaqib Javed, Ejaz Ahmad, and even the would be and dying to be a coach Zaheer Abbass, they are all PAINDOOS of the highest caliber, so what is the point in creating disharmony in the team?

    If the news about Dhoni being awarded a doctorate is true then shame on ALL of us and disgrace on ALL of us and whosoever is awarding that doctorate should jump into CHULLU BHUR PAANI and die. What the Hell it is? I mean Dhoni Doodh Wala, JHARKAND KA GAWALI is awarded with a doctorate? WTF?????

  228. #229 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 30, 2011 - 8:20 PM

    Aaqib Javed should be Pak cricket coach: Mudassar Nazar

    LONDON: Former Pakistani opener and coach Mudassar Nazar feels Aaqib Javed should be the next coach of the national squad, and adds that current coach Waqar Younis can leave the position with his head held high.

    It maybe recalled that Waqar recently offered his resignation to the Pakistan Cricket Board for personal and health reasons, and his resignation was reluctantly accepted by a board that has been striving for continuity.

    Speaking exclusively to PakPassion.net, Mudassar a veteran of 198 matches for Pakistan stated “Waqar has done remarkably well. If you look at when he came into the side there were serious problems. There were a lot of things going on that were not under his control but he did some good work. If there were any mishaps, he’d ensure everyone bounced back.”

  229. #230 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 30, 2011 - 9:19 PM

    Sagaat

    I have seen that link you posted and meri aankhon ko nazara kuch pasand aaya……

    😉

  230. #231 by JAVED A. KHAN on August 31, 2011 - 3:34 AM

    Eid Mubarak to ALL,

    Our Eid was on Tuesday Aug.30th, some are celebrating tomorrow in Toronto but, ALL of Montreal celebrated today!

    Munir

    Ab tou Chilla Khatam kero, Ramadan is over and come to the blog.

    Aatma

    You didn’t have to wait that long eh? So how about #17 ?

  231. #232 by Sagaat on August 31, 2011 - 7:59 AM

    Javed Khan,

    I didn’t mean the names you mentioned should be have all the power. I meant that in general strategy is a place where there is a lot of room for innovation. Whereas the captains from England, Australia are educated, the captains from other countries are not. There is a disparity there.

    The strategy, decision-making, etc is a specialized job. Captains from Australia and England are traditionally better for that reason when it comes to decision-making. But yet they aren’t as good as a specialist ‘strategist’ might be. By this I mean cricket should altogether do away with the captain making on-field decisions, whether they be of which bowler to bowl, what the field setting should be, etc…all this should be left to a ‘manager’ or a strategist who calls the shots. The game would benefit from this for two reasons:

    1) There would be more parity in decison-making, that is, the Australians wouldn’t necessarily have an undue advantage (if you recall Mohd Yousof’s decision-making in the Sydney test, you will see how huge the difference is between a good captain and a bad captain). It is natural that cricketers are there to play the game and strategy is not something that should be expected from them

    2) The general standard of decision-making would rise as specialization raises skill level. Moreover, strategy would become ‘another’ component of the game to talk about and it would raise interest in the game

    They can start this with 20/20 cricket at least, since that is the game where strategy is the most important: Match situation changes very fast and each decision has a lot more importance attached to it.

    I think all this sort of innovation has traditionally come from England and Australia. But, I see no reason why the Pakistanis can’t take good ideas and be the first to implement them. They will always wait and look for others to do it, and then imitate them. In fact they should ask the ICC to allow them to cede on-field decision-making to a strategist/coach. This would be a reasonable request.

  232. #233 by Sagaat on August 31, 2011 - 8:03 AM

    Javed Khan, Khansahab, etc

    Eid Mubarak to you all!

  233. #234 by Bichoo on August 31, 2011 - 12:33 PM

    There remains no hope for India so long as MS Dhoni and K Srikanth team is selecting players for Indian team. In latest news Ravindra Jadeja, a nothing player, has been selected as replacement for the injured Gambhir.

    What more could be atrocious than this. They might as well selected Dhoni’s brother-in-law or Srikanth’s son and be done with it. So what if they can’t play cricket? merit doesn’t matter to these clowns. Dhoni / Srikanth team is not too far from the ‘great’ PCB boss Butt.

    What a joke. As if there are no genuine young batting replacements in India. Sifarish and favoritism rules selection. Jadeja is at best a restricting spin bowler who cannot bat properly. If they needed a spinner they could have gotten anyone more qualified. If they needed a batsman they could have gotten anyone more qualified. But no, they needed a nothing player.

    Indian cricket is hopeless in it’s ways, even after the debacle for 4-0 whitewash.

    I have no time left for it anymore, other than just casual look at score boards.

  234. #235 by Bichoo on August 31, 2011 - 12:34 PM

    Eid Mubarak to all of our Muslim friends here.

  235. #236 by Mohammed Munir on August 31, 2011 - 3:19 PM

    EID Mubarak To All on LS and beyond …

  236. #237 by tom on August 31, 2011 - 3:22 PM

    Eid felicitations to all !

  237. #238 by Pawan on August 31, 2011 - 3:56 PM

    Eid Mubarakh to all my friends here!

  238. #239 by Pyaasi Aatma on August 31, 2011 - 10:00 PM

    Butt wants to become LCCA president again

    LAHORE – Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Ijaz Butt decided to contest the Lahore City Cricket Association polls to play active role in PCB after end of his tenure in October 2011.
    A reliable source said that PCB Chief Ijaz Butt had informed LCCA President Kh Nadeem about his decision to become LCCA President. The source said that Ijaz Butt’s tenure as a PCB Chief is about to end in October 2011 and Butt was eyeing LCCA President post. It is pertinent to mention here that after the directions of ICC, PCB General Counsel, according to new constitution, will elect new PCB Chairman and therefore, Ijaz Butt, who was LCCA President in 80s and succeeded himself to get PCB chief slot, is again striving hard to become LCCA Chief to achieve his target.

  239. #240 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 1, 2011 - 1:07 AM

    INDIA LOST THE T20 MATCH

    What a shame!

  240. #241 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 1, 2011 - 2:51 PM

    Zimbabwe looking comfortable against Pakistan’s bowling attack consisting of future hopefuls Sohail Khan and Aizaz Cheema.

    Now everyone will ask why didn’t they pick Riaz and Gul?

    I don’t think it would have made a difference because both Riaz and Gul are inconsistent.

  241. #242 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 9:14 AM

    A lot of people are claiming that the pitch in Zimbabwe is not offering any assistance to the bowlers.

    I am disappointed that Pakistan let ZIM score beyond 250.

    Good bowlers are those who take wickets despite the pitch not offering any assistance. Wasim, Waqar for whatever reason, could take wickets even in unhelpful conditions. If good batsmen can score runs on bowling pitches why can’t these bowlers take wickets on batting pitches?

  242. #243 by Sagaat on September 2, 2011 - 9:37 AM

    Khansahab,

    I think it has also to do with the fact that the bowlers aren’t that good. Team Pakistan sucks. It is not a good enough team to watch. I follow cricket India and England more. Misbah’s decision-making, from choosing to bowl first to not playing a leg-spinner has been faulty. It presses the point that I made, that Pakistan needs someone who can make the right decisions. They need a foreign coach. Someone in the vain of Whatmore can do wonders for Pakistan cricket.

    Sri Lanka-Australia match could have been interesting, but SL’s batting has folded. Finally some success for Australia as Sri Lanka is a tough team to beat at home.

  243. #244 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 10:02 AM

    Sagaat

    I think it is a very difficult question about whether a coach should be foreign or local. I think the Pakistani players, who mainly come from villages and small towns, struggle when they are exposed to foreign coaching methods. There is a world of a difference in the psyche of someone who has worked in developed countries and then is asked to coach players who have never been exposed to such advanced methods and organisation before.

    This is of course not to say that the players do well under a local coach. Pakistan’s best performances came when Miandad, Imran, Saeed Anwar, Wasim , Waqar etc were in the team and I don’t think the coach was foreign during any time these players were in the team.

    PCB is very disorganised and unprofessional and the team’s victories depend on excellent performances by the players. What they now need to consider is, how can they perform like England, where there is no Wasim or Waqar, no Dravid or SRT but they are still winning consistently? This is where organisation and professionalism will help and this is where Ijaz Butt comes in, because the leadership is so poor.

    I know your point is that a foreign coach will improve this disorganisation and unprofessionalism, but the team performance was poor under Lawson. In Woolmer’s time Pakistan was again dependant on good form of Inzamam, Kaneria, Yousuf, Younis and occasionally Akhtar. All of these players were at their peak in Woolmer’s time- I think that is why the team was successful. Having said that, they still could not play on bowling pitches and they were still very mentally weak.

  244. #245 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 10:09 AM

    Sagaat

    Australia have the best first class structure and they will always produce mentally strong and big impact players. They will always be a top 3 team (occasionally they might fall below that, for a small duration) because of the quality of the players. What takes them to no 1 is the mental strength. I keep saying that it is only a matter of time before they will rise again. We can see England now gaining in mental strength but I feel Australia has a better structure.

  245. #246 by Sagaat on September 2, 2011 - 10:49 AM

    Khansahab,

    I agree with you that Australia has an excellent domestic structure but nevertheless Sri Lanka should be able to beat Australia in Sri Lanka (at this time). This is because the pitches are spin-conducive and Sri Lanka bats well against spin bowling, whereas Australia has a new team not well-versed against spin bowling.

    I think a foreign coach will not only be good because he will bring more professionalism within the team, but also because he can bring sound decision-making within the team. Sometimes a fresh, outside perspective can be useful. The local coaches may understand the psyche of the players better, but they aren’t well equipped at infusing a sense of cricketing logic within the team. You’d agree that Waqar is not a good tactician?

  246. #247 by Sagaat on September 2, 2011 - 10:52 AM

    I think Ramiz Raja can also help Pakistan cricket in some capacity, because he see’s the outside perspective as well as views things from a local perspective. His infatuation with Umar Akmal aside, he has been very good in commentary for the past few days. His insistence that Pakistan play a legspinner, should bat first, etc makes sense.

  247. #248 by tom on September 2, 2011 - 11:18 AM

    What Pakistani team needs is a foreign consultant to manage the whole cricketing structure (board inclusive); the problem is not fundamentally with the team but mainly with the board specially when jokers like Butt are at helms of cricket. It is worth noting that Butt has become less vocal in media and now Mr Subhan who’s like a Operating Officer deals mainly with the media.
    It looks as if Australia will climb back quickly into top cricketing nations again.

  248. #249 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 11:32 AM

    Sagaat

    I totally agree Waqar was a poor tactician. A player who has seen Miandad, Imran, Wasim, Rashid Latif etc in his career and has either partaken in or witnessed controversies and scandals, how can anyone expect such a person to make unbiased and constructive decisions?

    His whole career has been shrouded in controversy. As a bowler he had no match when he was at his peak, but like any good Pakistani cricketer, he was controversial.

  249. #250 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 11:32 AM

    Even Waqar’s commentary is very controversial 😉

  250. #251 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 11:37 AM

    Sagaat

    The point is simply one of education.

    Sound decision making will come from education.

    By education I don’t mean the ability to speak English or having a degree necessarily, but unbiased, constructive analysis, sincerity towards the country and above all, competence.

  251. #252 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 11:39 AM

    Sagaat

    Man, Ramiz Raja is something I will always disagree with you on.

    I don’t even want to discuss Ramiz Raja, after years of commentating experience it is clear that he has nothing substantial to say and that he favours certain players.

  252. #253 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 11:41 AM

    Zimbabwe have gone past 350 now.

    This is just humiliating for Pakistan.

    Shame on Waqar Younis- what kind of coaching is this?

    Misbah plays to draw or lose matches.

  253. #254 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 11:44 AM

    Sohail Khan, who was Pakistan’s hero in some recent domestic tournament, looks as threatening as a grasshopper.

    Completely ineffective bowling.

  254. #255 by Sagaat on September 2, 2011 - 12:08 PM

    Khansahab,

    I agree with you on players needing the ability to commit unbiased, constructive analysis. Unfortunately, Pakistan isn’t producing skilled cricketers, let alone players with this ability. Once talent is there, they can harness it through proper education, magement, and tactics (and we can blame the board). But “the land of the talented”, as they say in Pakistan, has run dry of skill and ideas. Btw they should come here in the US and see what real talent is…where the best come from all over the world to compete. Anyway, Pakistan needs a national talent hunt where they delve for cricketers in the streets, identify promising (perhaps raw) talent, and then try to fine-tune it with proper education, guidance, and management.

    Javed Khan has time and again mentioned the need for proper education for players. I think there should also be a program for the players to analyze the game better. Australians don’t have exceptional talent but they know how to harness it and make the best use of it. For that, the ability to analyze the game at all levels is necessary. That is what Pakistan should strive for.

  255. #256 by Mohammed Munir on September 2, 2011 - 1:20 PM

    WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF INDIA PAKISTAN CRICKET?

    Well, we have so far seen the FUTURE of Indian cricket, and not it is time to see the FUTURE of Pakistan’s cricket.

    Here is from Cricinfo … Mawoyo is the third Zimbabwean to carry his bat, all three have done it against Pakistan.

    Mawoyo who opened the innings for Zimbabwe went 163 not out, while Zimbabwe reached a huge total of 412 at tea on day two …

    SHAME ON MISBAH and WAQAR and the entire TEAM, as well as the whole !^#^&!#%&) PCB.

  256. #257 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 2, 2011 - 1:34 PM

    TENDULKAR WORLD CUP LBW DECISION UNDER SCRUTINY

    Sri Lanka v Australia, 1st Test, Galle, 2nd day
    Umpires ask ICC to look in to Hughes’ dismissal

    Daniel Brettig in Galle

    September 2, 2011

    Simon Taufel, the senior international umpire, has referred Phil Hughes’ second innings lbw dismissal in the first Test between Sri Lanka and Australia to the ICC as a serious question mark against the accuracy of Hawk-Eye, the ball tracking technology. Taufel and the officiating umpires Richard Kettleborough, Aleem Dar and Tony Hill have have also sent the relevant footage of the incident to the ICC’s cricket operations department.

    Hughes was given out lbw on the second evening when he attempted to sweep Tillakaratne Dilshan. Replays indicated that the delivery had spun appreciably from around middle stump towards off, but the Hawk-Eye predicted path had the ball going straight on with the angle from round the wicket to to strike leg stump.

    Though he reviewed the decision, Hughes was sent on his way by umpire Kettleborough after consultation with third umpire Hill who is obliged to grant significant weight to the original decision made on the field when he decides whether to reprieve or dismiss a batsman.

    In Galle to conduct a third umpire accreditation seminar, Taufel has observed the first two days of the Test in part to assess the impact of technology’s inconsistent use and accuracy, having umpired in England’s home series against India under vastly different playing conditions and technological aids.

    Taufel told ESPNcricinfo that more needed to be done to prove the veracity of devices such as Hawk-Eye, HotSpot and Virtual Eye via independent testing that sits outside the views of broadcasters and suppliers.

    “Why can’t we tap into technology if the match official is missing a piece of information, and is it right that the match official has to make a decision before technology can be used?” Taufel said. “That’s a fundamental question I think we’re still working through. Under the current system we’re encouraged to make decisions and if a player feels they disagree with that then they’ve got the right to review. But if they get that wrong twice, then we can’t use technology anymore in that innings for that particular team.

    “They’re the parameters we’re working with and that’s the value we want to promote within the sport – do we just want to get the obvious mistake fixed up or do we want to get as many decisions right as possible? What are the technology tools we have to achieve that, and then how accurate are those tools? Have we really investigated that from an independent perspective, and have we got a categorical answer with that? Is it reliable on the day, rather than just relying on the provider of that technology to say ‘it is x-amount accurate and the result is right’ and we just take that on face value?”

    The third umpire’s job in particular has become increasingly difficult as each series brings a different set of parameters for reviewing decisions, and the technological means by which they may be reviewed. Taufel said players had also become confused on the field by the transient nature of rules relating to referrals and technology.

    “From the training perspective we did with the third umpire accreditation module it is very difficult, because there is no consistency of inputs,” Taufel said. “How do I train and develop a third umpire when I don’t know what technology tools are going to be available on the day?

    “From an umpiring perspective, as a third umpire, it is incredibly challenging here [in Sri Lanka] because the frame rates used by Ten Sports per second will be different to the ones used by Sky in Britain. There’s ultra-motion available in the UK, there’s none of that here. We have Hotspot in the UK, we don’t have Hotspot here. The camera rates used by Hawk-Eye here would be different to the camera rates used there.

    “Therein lies the challenge of consistency – how can you possibly expect consistent outputs if you’ve got inconsistent inputs? We’ve also noticed the players are somewhat confused as to what they can challenge and what they can’t. In the UK they couldn’t challenge lbws, they could only challenge caught decisions. Here we’ve gone back to a different system where you can challenge both.

    “Surely that’s got to be difficult for the players and the match officials to keep adjusting from series to series. Our message as umpires was rather strong at the ICC cricket committee meeting where we said, we either want to use everything or nothing at all, let’s try to make it consistently easier for everybody. That’s what we want to work towards.”

    Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

  257. #258 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 2, 2011 - 3:15 PM

    I dunno what is the basis of selection of Taufiq Umar? As far as I remember he has never scored.

  258. #259 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 3:21 PM

    Hafeez enjoying milking a spineless attack.

    Why can’t Hafeez play like this against the top 5 teams?

    Because he is shit?

  259. #260 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 2, 2011 - 3:28 PM

    At least the shit is in form and stinking! 😀 He has a chance to score a century tomorrow.

  260. #261 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 11:14 PM

    That lefty Zimbabwe opening bowler- I don’t know his name but his action looks suspect to me.

    Hafeez played some good shots but he was dropped very early, that catch should have been taken.

  261. #262 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 2, 2011 - 11:19 PM

    Azhar Ali has eight 50s from 23 innings and he is undroppable.

    Asim Kamal had eight from 13 innings, so why was he dropped?

  262. #263 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 10:00 AM

    What they said about U Akmal:

    “He is glorious to watch”: Ramiz Raja

    “He could be the next Viv Richards”: Inti Alam/Abdul Qadir

    “You youngtsa beauty”: Waqar Younis

  263. #264 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 10:01 AM

    Very loose shot by Hafeez.

    Poor strokeplay.

    Younis in next?

  264. #265 by Mohammed Munir on September 3, 2011 - 10:02 AM

    Rshid Latif has recently mentioned that after this Zimbabwe tour, Shoaib Malik will replace Misbah as captain.

    If this happens, it will be very very unfortunate for Pakistani team. 😦

  265. #266 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 10:15 AM

    Munir sahab

    I don’t think it will make a huge difference if Malik becomes the captain again.

    The team performance will be exactly the same again.

    But I agree with you it will be very unfortunate. There is no “captaincy material” player in the team at the moment.

  266. #267 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 10:26 AM

    A look at averages of players in won, drawn and lost Test matches:

    Player’s name will be mentioned first, then winning average-drawing average-losing average.

    Kallis, 65-34-80

    Sangakkara, 76-35-57

    Jayawerdene, 63-30-72

    G Smith, 64-28-52

    Ponting, 59-36-58

    Lara, 61-42-71

    Sehwag, 58-37-60

    SRT, 68-38-67

    Dravid, 66-30-65

    Laxman, 53-27-64

    Misbah, 42-23-83

  267. #268 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 10:35 AM

    Interesting revelations from my research on Statsguru:

    – Misbah is the best batsman in the world when matches are drawn. This guy beats Kallis and SRT in averages when it comes to drawing matches. Bradman would have been jealous by his average of 83 in drawn games. I have been so harsh calling him a shit batsman but just look at his average in drawn matches! LOL and I had a debate with Sagaat about SRT vs Lara, man Misbah wins hands down. This guy averages nearly TWICE in matches drawn as opposed to matches won. A true match winner and ambassador to Test cricket. His selection is merit based and he is in the team to instill stability and confidence by improving the team’s performance. He thinks the team improves by playing to draw.

    – Dravid and SRT average more in matches won than matches drawn. Sehwag and Laxman average more in matches drawn as opposed to won.

    – Lara averages significantly more in drawn matches as opposed to won matches.

    – Sangakkara is boring and methodical like Kallis, but interestingly appears to be a huge match winner for SL. Comparatively Jayawardene is much better in drawn matches.

    – Biggest match winner is G Smith, although openers do tend to win matches on most occasions they score heavily.

    – Kallis is clearly more interested in drawing matches, his criticism that he plays for his average is surely justified. Looking at the statistics seems much of the criticism vented out on SRT is unjustified.

  268. #269 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 10:49 AM

    That Zimbabwean commentator who is commentating along Ramiz Raja is incredibly biased. I think his name is Alan Wilkins but I am not sure. He is a 3rd class commentator and in front of him Ramiz looks like an intellectual.

    This guy just does not want Pakistan to win- he keeps changing the way he expresses his sentiment, but he basically wants Zimbabwe to win by an innings.

  269. #270 by tom on September 3, 2011 - 10:59 AM

    Shahid Afridi has said that Pakistani team doesnt need a HEAD COACH. I think he’s implying that team needs heads- thinking heads.

    Alan Wilkins is Welsh and he’s a commentator on Espnstar alongwith harsha, gavaskar and shastri.

    Even I had a hunch that Mr Sania Malik would again become the captain. It would be a disaster!

  270. #271 by Sagaat on September 3, 2011 - 3:46 PM

    Khansahab,

    There is a significant difference in ‘averaging high in matches won’ and winning matches. This is a very simplified analysis which may distort the truth. To supplement this we need to look at SRT’s matchwinning knocks. None of his knocks appear in the top 100 knocks of all time.

    I can point to a distinct, yet more accurate way, to gauge a player’s matchwinning ability. Wherever a player has a matchwinning innings, assign a value of 1 to that innings (Note that only one player can have a matchwinning knock in a test). Then add all the places where the “1’s” appear for a particular player and divide it by the number of innings the player has played. This would give us the proportion of time the player has won matches as opposed to averaging high in won matches. I haven’t done this analysis, but if Tendulkar passes this test, I will accede that Tendulkar is better than Lara (and the best batsman of our generation).

    I’d like to mention that sometimes the analysis is over-simplified to appeal to the average person. In doing so, the danger is that misinformation is passed along the way. A higher average in matches won has a weak relationship with matchwinning ability. In fact I would argue that there is no relationship. If a player is averaging high in matches comfortably won, then he is just feeding on the accomplishments of others in the match. There could be not-outs to inflate the average. We’d agree that a higher matchwinning ability is nous to play difficult, matchwinning knocks, or remarkable knocks, to win matches. Neither of these are captured by the above analysis.

    Cricinfo’s analysis is so shallow that unfortunately they previously looked at the standard deviation of a player’s average to gauge consistency. Lara came out to be the most inconsistent. But to make a score above the average, that is to make a 200, INCREASES the standard deviation and the supposed “inconsistency” of the player. This analysis was not only flawed, but outright misleading. Therefore, I mentioned that the masses are drive by faulty logic as that is what is fed to them. Inconsistency in this case, where it is gauged by the standard deviation, is a positive thing as it could mean that the player makes big knocks and makes it big whenever he is able to settle down.

    I hope that you can understand what I am saying here. I say this because statistics is not your domain (it is my major) and a lot of information unfortunately is misleading at cricinfo. A lot of the times statisticians fail to understand the ‘meaning’ behind what they are doing (such as using standard deviations to gauge consistency) as they are taught things through rote memory. And, then, there is the question of honesty. Would cricinfo publish the results if a hard, thorough analysis declares that Tendulkar has no matchwinning ability? I doubt it, and therefore you would never see such an analysis. However, the things that I am saying are very simple and you can surely understand them if you concentrate and bear with me for a bit.

    Suppose a player averages 50. He makes a 400 and a score of 0. Now using the standard deviation, a score of 0 makes him inconsistent, but you know what impact does a 400 have on the standard deviation? It makes him roughly 7 times more inconsistent than a score of 0. In other words scoring a 400 is 7 times worse than scoring a 0 by that measure of consistency (it would treat a score of -350, although this is not possible to score negative runs in cricket, the same as 400). Which is why a few days ago I tried to clarify to the cricket pundits that what they call inconsistency is nothing else but matchwinning ability, as the analysis they do is completely flawed and would not sway anyone who takes a deeper look at the methodology.

  271. #272 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 4:24 PM

    My brother and friend Sagaat,

    I should have mentioned when posting those statistics, like I should have mentioned when posting those two videos of SRT a while ago, that my intention is not to provoke you, tease you or start a debate.

    I initially researched those stats because I wanted to see whether the stats can back up people’s claims that Kallis plays for his average.

    I have read what you have said and a lot of it is noteworthy. Even before I knew about your educational qualifications, I could sense that you have some Maths/Finance/Statistics background.
    Whilst accepting that Statistics is not my domain, I still do a pretty commendable job with them.

    I have never said that statistics can tell the whole story about a player’s talent. In fact this is one of the reasons I am amused why Bradman is compared with SRT. So, if my research is favourable towards SRT it does not necessarily mean that he is a better match winner than say, Lara or Sehwag.

    However, there are some grey areas and you will have to be very stubborn if you disregard them. Sangakkara and G Smith are widely considered to be great match winners for their respective teams, and these statistics reflect that. Kallis and Misbah are considered to be selfish and these statistics reflect that too. So, they are not entirely without merit. These statistics would appear to favour the notion that Dravid is a match winner, as well.

    Statistics may not be my domain, but analytical skills and deep analysis into issues is definitely my domain. I know you are not belitting me and I am likewise not belitting you either, but I hope you do realise that we perhaps have our strengths and weaknesses.

    I hope you will realise also why I do not want to respond any further to your comment.

  272. #273 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 4:33 PM

    Sagaat

    So considering your arguments about standard deviation, consistency etc, do you feel that Misbah is better than what his stats reflect?

  273. #274 by Sagaat on September 3, 2011 - 4:37 PM

    Khansahab,

    I wasn’t provoked at all– in fact I was calm and was pointing to the faults in the methodology. There is no point taking this personally.

    Your analytical skills are good– which is why I tried to make sense of you of why the use of standard deviation is flawed in gauging a player’s consistency. As for Kallis playing selfishly, I think that is simply not true. I have seen Kallis win more matches than anybody else I have seen win matches– apart from Lara (and I think Graeme Smith would agree that he is not a greater matchwinner than Kallis). Which matches has Sangkkara won? I can’t point to any great innings.

    I questioned the methodology and the methodology you are using has no bearing on matchwinning ability. I stand by this and we can do a more thorough analysis.

  274. #275 by Sagaat on September 3, 2011 - 4:39 PM

    Khansahab,

    Misbah has zero matchwinning innings, but he would be a fairly consistent player using standard deviation. The methodology I mentioned for matchwinning ability– if we use that one, Misbah would be the worst 36 year old player to have graced the game.

  275. #276 by Sagaat on September 3, 2011 - 4:47 PM

    Khansahab,

    Misbah’s score would be zero by my methodology. He has no matchwinning knocks, so there are no 1s, hence all 0s. And, a score of 0. No-one can be worse than Misbah 😀

  276. #277 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 4:49 PM

    Sagaat

    By saying I didn’t want to provoke you, I didn’t mean that you lashed out at me, or expressed your views vehemently.

    I meant that my intention was not to prompt you in such a way that you should write a response or consider that this is about SRT vs Lara because there were 7-8 batsmen mentioned in that analysis.

    I didn’t take your comment personally but when you write comments like, “Statistics is not your domain”, it can be interpreted at different levels. It could mean that a person is rubbish at understanding statistics. Or it could mean that a person may have some degree of competence with statistics, but possibly not greater than yours because of your major in the subject. I understood your comment as the latter interpretation.

    My opinion is that Kallis is a very selfish player (even the SA team thinks so- you have probably forgotten that some SA player revealed that the whole SA dressing room thinks he only plays for his average which the statistics backed up). This was quite embarrassing for the SA team and I think Smith had to give a politically correct statement saying that Kallis’ services for SA are commendable.

    If you believe that Kallis is a match winner then there is no point debating this. If we can’t agree on the most basic point then we won’t agree on further points.

  277. #278 by Sagaat on September 3, 2011 - 4:59 PM

    Khansahab,

    Well, I did mean it in the sense that you wouldn’t be familiar with standard deviations and other statistical tools. This is not to question your competency in being able to analyze material.

    In test matches Kallis is a genuine matchwinner. We agree to disagree on this. I have seen this guy win so many crucial test matches for SA that I wouldn’t doubt his matchwinning ability. He isn’t as good a one day player and may appear as selfish in that format. His record against Australia at their peak isn’t great so that is also what counts against him. However, he is a genuine matchwinner as far as I am concerned. I can point to many of his innings where he has played pivotal, matchwinning knocks against Pakistan and India. Apart from these there would be many others: He is the backbone of the South African team.

  278. #279 by Sagaat on September 3, 2011 - 5:07 PM

    Khansahab,

    It is not a debate that I intend to start each time, so there is no question of you provoking me. I just wanted to clarify that a higher average in matches won is not equivalent to higher matchwinning ability. The alternative methodology that I provided is something that S Rajesh, the statistician at cricinfo, can use to find a player’s matchwinning ability.

  279. #280 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 5:13 PM

    Sagaat

    I haven’t seen Younis’s innings in this current match, but I am disappointed he is playing so slowly. I don’t know whether he is playing for his average, whether he wants to carry his bat or whether the team has planned that he should just block whereas the others should score.

    But, I have hardly ever seen a more pathetic middle order batsman than Misbah. He is weak against seam and swing. He is weak against spin. He just folds under pressure. He is too slow and negative. By negative I mean there is no intent in his batting. He plays with no vision- it is difficult to work out whether he plays according to a plan. Playing slowly is okay if you have a plan. Inzamam, Yousuf, Younis- they all played slowly at times but they were good at planning their knocks. Younis is past his prime but he is still doing okay, despite his pathetic performance in the WC 2011.

    I think Misbah’s university degree is overrated. He is a very defensive person, completely lacks imagination. His captaincy is not inspiring at all. It is shameful that he has a bunch of supporters who project him as the saviour of the team because he does not deserve a place in the middle order on merit, let alone saving the team with his captaincy or influence.

  280. #281 by tom on September 3, 2011 - 6:42 PM

    An interesting perspective on the tendulkar vs bradman debate

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/353230-bradman-and-tendulkar-who-is-better#

  281. #282 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 9:36 PM

    Tom

    The writer of that article somewhat echoes my views- that there is no point comparing cricketers like this from two very different eras.

  282. #283 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 3, 2011 - 9:41 PM

    Hafeez, Younis and Misbah were dropped on occasions and all of them were regulation catches.

    If Zimbabwe had caught those chances, surely Pakistan would have been dismissed for below 300 and Zimbabwe would have had a great chance to win.

    Over the 3 days Zimbabwe has definitely appeared to be the stronger bowling and batting side- Pakistan has been pathetic. Younis Khan has played twice as slow as Misbah and now he needs to accelerate- if he can’t accelerate tomorrow then it will be evident that he is playing for his average. U Akmal is gone and now there are no good batsmen left so Younis must take the initiative with the scoring.

  283. #284 by tom on September 4, 2011 - 10:50 AM

    Khansahab

    Yes its correct that there is some agreement between writer of that article and your initial stance; it doesn’t make sense to compare two performers who are spaced 50+ years apart.

  284. #285 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 5, 2011 - 10:07 AM

    Pakistan have won the Test by 7 wickets.

    It was a strange match and Zimbabwe played a lot like Pakistan, with two very different kinds of batting performances and poor fielding.

    Zimbabwe’s poor fielding cost them the match and they were surely the better bowling and fielding side for 3 days.

    Pakistan have a lot of work to do-their bowlers need to learn about how to make an impact on batting pitches.

  285. #286 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 6, 2011 - 11:40 AM

    Zaheer available for coaching job

    KARACHI:
    Former captain Zaheer Abbas has made himself available to become the coach of the Pakistan team as the country’s cricket board hunts for Waqar Younis’ replacement.

    In an interview, Abbas, a member of the three-man committee formed to find a suitable candidate in place of outgoing coach Waqar, said that he was ready to serve the country if the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) needed him.

    If the PCB needs me I’ll be available for the job,” said Abbas.

  286. #287 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 6, 2011 - 2:18 PM

    Zaheer as a manager of the team touring to London, during the Oval debacle between Inzamam and Hair was a mere spectator, in fact he was seen on TV on several ocasions that he was chatting with his friends on cell phone and giving them update, like he is a sports journalist, whereas, his job was to mediate the situation and find a solution, instead he acted DUMB sorry he remained DUMB as ever. So, how can you consider a DUMB person to play the ROLE of a coach?. He could hardly speak any language and whenever he blabs on TV he is assisted by the person interviewing him by putting words in his mouth. Zaheer is an absolutely uncouth, uneducated paindoo, and that Asian Bradman title got into his head, he is good for nothing, nothing even for his second Mardana wife. So, people, please spare him from coaching job. He has no job no money and trying his best by hook or crook to get into the PCB bandwagon and milk the cow while everyone is doing that.

    iF Zaheer is looking for a job, he should go to the US, because one of the cousins of his second wife went to the US despite advises he got from parents, friends etc, that US economy is in tatters and there aren’t any jobs. The fellow landed at JFK and as he walked out, a hooker came and said, Hello and he replied hello in a very polite manner and she asked, “if he wants a full time job?” He said, NO and started to walk, she pursued and asked, “how about a blow job?” he said NO and started to walk, she came running behind him and asked OK what about a hand job? He said, NO ….He. walked a little further down the road, took out his cell phone and called his DAD and said, “who said, the US economy is in crisis? I have just landed and as I came out of the terminal building, I got 3 job offers, already.” If Zaheer goes to the US he would have plenty of jobs on hand and he would be the receiver ! 😀

  287. #288 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 7, 2011 - 3:58 AM

    IT IS CONFIRMED THAT INDIA HAS NO BOWLERS TO BOWL OUT ENGLAND.

    What a shame even in the rain reduced match where a couple of players scored some runs and put up a decent fighting total but, India has no bowlers to even restrict them leave aside getting the out. I dunno if it was Ravi Shastri, Ganguly or Gavaskar who were saying, it would have been better to have Yousuf Pathan in the team !

    Dhoni came in a JUMBO JET and went back in a HELICOPTER

    Such a stupid shot it is, I have heard from people that Oh he plays that Helicopter shot and it is so great and bloody blah…. actually there is a technical fault in that shot especially when, after hitting the ball he swings the bat in a very short circle, that reduces the force and on a big ground his helicopter crashes. He played a very irresponsible shot. Look at Alistar Cook, he is not known as a player of the shorter version of the game and he played with so much responsibility and batting second was not easy. Anyways, India’s selectors should commit AATMA HATTIYA for selecting a team that is more like a club level team. Dravid was unlucky to get out he played a pretty decent shot but, Jimmy Anderson took a very low catch.

  288. #289 by Mohammed Munir on September 7, 2011 - 6:58 AM

    Sharjah is back on World Cricketing map …

    Sharjah is well synonymous to cricket, and in spite of a few younger fans of the game may not fully aware of it’s cricketing past, the name Sharjah holds an unmatched nostalgia to every single cricket-fan in India and Pakistan. Sharjah/ UAE, which became a sore for the cricketing nation’s eyes because a small desert city within a non-cricketing middle eastern country started boasting of having honour of staging the highest number of International ODIs. Sharjah stadium’s unmatched achievement of successfully conducting 200 International ODIs is a World Record, which even Loards, MCG and Eden Garden will be proud of.

    Since its inception back in 1981, the Sharjah Cricket Stadium and CBFS (Cricketers Benefit Fund Series) has done an unsurpassable service to the forgotten cricketing legends of yesteryears, specifically those from India and Pakistan. More importantly, this service to the cricket and it’s players was done purely for the love of the game and much before the start of money-galore and cash-rich IPL days.

    After a few unofficial games between the super-stars of Indian and Pakistani cricket back in early 1980s, SCS had it’s first official ODI game on 6th April 1984 between Pakistan and Sri Lanka, whereas the first ever Test was played on January 31st 2002 between Pakistan and West Indies. Pakistan holds the record for playing highest games in Sharjah, and Wasim Akram have most appearances of 77, closely followed by Mohammed Azharuddin 62 matches, Saleem Malik 60, Inzamam 59, Jayasuri 58, and so on. From the currently active players, Shahid Afridi (if I may still call him that) tops the list who has played 43 matches at Sharjah ground and one behind is Sachin Tendulkar who is at 42 not out.

    Inzamam-ul-Haq have scored 2,464 being the highest ODI runs in Sharjah at an average of 50.28 in his 59 games, who is followed by Saeed Anwar 2,179 runs @ 45.39 in 51 matches, Jayasuriya 1,831 @ 32.12 in 58, and Sachin who scored 1,778 runs @ 48.05 in his 42 ODIs.

    Sharjah had it’s last Test played in October 2002, whereas many big teams also couldn’t play ODIs matches and SCS went through a slow period. Nevertheless, the stadium continued with many domestic and other less important events, including few ACC games where UAE’s own team also played, besides conducting Bangladesh T20 domestic tournament and several other games. The last official ODI matched was played on February 18th 2010 between Canada and Afghanistan teams, which goes on to prove that in spite of all it’s ups and downs, the SCS was in working shape.

    Today the reins of Sharjah Cricket Stadium are in the hands of Waleed Abdul Rahman Bukhatir, who is son of Abdul Rahman Mohammed Bukhatir, the man who started it all for the game, he so dearly loved.

    Sharjah stadium is going in full swing with its upgrading and renovation works, where they shall not only fulfill the latest strict ICC regulations but also meet the high expectations of it’s loyal fan base.

    Sharjah Cricket Stadium will be ready in time for the planned Pakistan/ Sri Lanka series in November, when we shall be privileged to witness an official International Test match from 3rd November to 7th November, whereas we will again visit SCS grounds on 21st November to have an ODI match of the series.

    As they say, this will be a start of a “Second Innings” for Sharjah, and a new chapter for cricket.

    Below, I am attaching two related from a local newspaper, which further highlights the Sharjah cricketing perspective.

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    Sharjah doors open again

    The torch is lit again and the sun shines on Sharjah cricket. The legendary CBFS that brought cricket to the desert now hands over to the Sharjah Cricket Club and the stadium that holds the World record for the maximum international one-dayers (200) lives again.

    The lights are on once more and so is the game, with Pakistan taking on Sri Lanka in the series third Test Match from November 3 till November 7 and then the 4th ODI of the 5 match contest on 20th Nov 2011.

    For those who have worked under the CBFS banner the excitement is personal. And a vindication of one of the sporting miracles of the modern world. They said no one would come to watch. They came, they came by the legion. The magic moments endure as the rafters shook to the roar of thousands and the legends who made that magic, past and present, know that another era is upon the venue. The architect, Abdul Rahman Bukhatir, the new spearhead, Waleed Bukhatir, the organisers like Qasim Noorani whose reputation lives on after them, the planners like Mazhar Khan, the early pioneers like Reda Abbas and Abdul Rahman Falaknaz, to name a few, left their imprint. This newspaper itself who picked up the media sponsorship and ran with the ball for years as the CBFS matured. Who can forget the blue strip of Khaleej Times circling the stadium?

    There were also the unsung heroes like Tariq Butt who helped the stadium establish itself as one of the premier venues in the world.

    Remember the players, a veritable who’s who of global cricket who walked the corridors of the stadium in those halcyon years. The highs, the lows, the generosity of the purses, the grandeur of the sponsorship, the often cruel cut of calculated controversy fed by envy, the power and the glory of knife edged endings, the bittersweet taste of victory and defeat, they made Sharjah cricket so special.

    And the bi-partisan fans who lifted the India-Pakistan ties into perhaps the most dramatic sporting events in the world, they can now truly cheer once more…

    …Yes, indeed, the sun shines again on the Sharjah stadium.

    The first international match between an Indian and Pakistan representative team, between Gavaskar XI and Miandad XI was held in 1981. There was a hand held scoreboard about ten by ten and a field with a semi constructed sitting arrangement and the people came in droves. Sunny Gavaskar landed in the desert with his boys and asked where they would play. All he could see was sand. The match marked the beginning of the great experiment for the Cricketers Benefit Fund Series and that was a big success. It was with a view to creating a system where cricketers could look after their own band of brothers, that the CBFS was started. The original idea was to select cricketers from India and Pakistan and award them a benefit along the lines in England, although for obvious reasons, the purse would have to be smaller. It would not mean that they would be able to live the rest of their lives without doing a stroke of work or without a worry in the world, but it would mean that they would have something with which to start life after cricket.

    According to Waleed, who now holds the reins of command, “We now celebrate a new dimension in the game, it is a second chapter, a new one and we find satisfaction in the fact that the UAE has the capability to host an international competition and Sharjah is an integral part of that equation. Our return to the world’s stage is a challenge but one we richly deserve for past services.”

    His confidence is infectious as is his enthusiasm for the resurrection. “On a special time like this I truly believe that the UAE is a very valid contender for any event including the World Cup. It has the infrastructure, the security and safety levels demanded today from sports teams and athletes, many of them super-celebs the fans, the hotels, the post-game entertainment and facilities for recreation.”

    For now, Walid has to go with the spit and polish to refurbish the stadium, set that standard for which it was renowned and he and his team are losing no time in getting ready. In his capacity as the Vice Chairman of the SCC it’s his ball and he is looking keenly forward to making sure things are perfect.
    Today, over half a billion people can watch a match over live TV broadcasts and cricket’s popularity is now providing a challenge to football.

    The noblest game of all now has 14 nations playing in the major league, most of them former members of the British Empire. They are England, Australia, New Zealand, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa, Zimbabwe, West Indies, Kenya and Scotland, Ireland and Canada. The game is also gaining popularity in Canada, Singapore, Malaysia and Gulf and Middle East. In recent years it has picked up in the United States and today as many as 500 teams are registered in the league with over 4000 players and at least 100,000 amateur enthusiasts.

    The game of cricket was spawned in England in the 1300s. The first reference to the game was under King Edward I in Kent. There is little mention of the game for 300 years after that but in 1622 six parishioners were executed for playing ‘kriket’ in the church courtyard.
    The first recorded game was in 1646 again in Kent. The laws of cricket were announced in 1744.

    Cricket’s popularity increased as the Empire spread across the globe.

    It became a blooding ground for young English subalterns and was seen as a game than made a man out of boys. The phrase ‘the playing fields of Eton’ was derived from cricket and the commitment that breeding brought to the game.

    Today, cricketers are celebrities in their own right and more TV and radio time and print space is given to cricket than any other game save football…and come November all roads will lead to the playing field in Sharjah.

    Source: http://www.khaleejtimes.com/sport/inside_sport.asp?xfile=/data/cricket/2011/September/cricket_September37.xml&section=cricket

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    Waleed: Man on a mission

    The man who is tuning the new chapter for Sharjah cricket is Waleed Bukhatir. Dynamic, full of barely concealed and very legitimate excitement that Sharjah is again on the map he tells KT that there is a sense of pride that “we are back.”

    At this moment the attention is ensuring that in the interim period when play was so called suspended the advancements and demands of the ICC for holding an international are met. These include different technology, a new state of the art scoreboard as well the refurbishment of the current one. Waleed says, “There are several aspects that we are upgrading. Over 60 per cent of the seats have been changed, we must comply with ICC rules, their innovations and we will do it. Our aim is to welcome the world back to Sharjah and hope that is the beginning of a new innings.”

    “Let me also unreservedly express my gratitude to Shaikh Nahyan bin Mubarak Al Nahyan, Minister of Higher Education and Scientific Research and Chairman of ECB, for his generosity in giving us a one dayer, that has been a gesture of good faith and we will honour it. Then I have to say to cricket fans in the country, both the old and the new, we are here for you and we are back and we look forward to years of great cricket ahead, we believe Sharjah will retain its pristine glory.”

    The stadium per se now functioning under the banner of the Sharjah Cricket Club as the CBFS imprint renders space to tomorrow, is also being given a facelift and the 25 boxes, once so prized by the corporate elite will go on sale again and there are already contenders for them. Waleed is going to be a busy man over the next few months. It’s only a question of time before an international tournament in the UAE is scheduled into the ICC calendar. It makes sense as you have the place, the people, the ambience, the lifestyle, the hotels, the advanced technology, the whole infrastructure at the finest level in the world.

    Source: http://www.khaleejtimes.com/sport/inside_sport.asp?col=&section=cricket&xfile=/data/cricket/2011/September/cricket_September38.xml

  289. #290 by tom on September 7, 2011 - 8:14 AM

    India thrashed in second ODI. Indian bowling looked so mediocre it seemed even Zimbabwe would have chased that tough total. No bowler looked capable of taking a wicket and the mystique of Ashwin has been blunted. Dhoni looked helpless to stem the flow of runs and even Ali cook helped himself to a second career six. It doesnt look India will win any ODI with the bowling they have.

  290. #291 by Bichoo on September 8, 2011 - 1:29 PM

    Pakistan should win this game against ZIM, and they played well to win the Test too. However, questions remain. It is one thing to beat Zimbabwe, but against top teams is the team selection good enough. I don’t think so. First, Younus Khan and Misbah are back in the middle order of ODI team. I still have vivid memories of how these two played in the middle overs in Mohali. Even thought I liked it since I wanted India to win that game, for a once top team like Pakistan having these misfits in middle order is not going to bring back the glory.

    Imran Farhat is now opening again, I thought some of you said he is a sifarish inclusion in the team, no wonder. And last but not least, Shoaib Malik is back, his contribution was 2 runs today. Not to forget that there will always be two Akmals in Pakistan team.

  291. #292 by Bichoo on September 8, 2011 - 1:34 PM

    Indian team sucks because even though their batting is good for limited overs formats, their bowling sucks big time. It is actually an understatement, even in WC it sucked big time, but for ZK and Yuvi finding form with ball. India bowling is now one 70 mph trundler after the another. What a shame. These guys don’t want to put any effort, because they might twist a muscle or two, and that is just too much for these IPL prima donnas.

    In latest news Harbhajan is back from injury and ready for CLT20 league. Who is surprised with that. He and Sachin will of course play for Ambani and his money, but not for the country. Sachin like a coward faked injury and left England. In fact, BCCI probably helped stage it.

    I said it before too, but the IPL destruction of Indian cricket is now complete. Players are interested only in playing club based leagues that offer them millions. Their attitude towards international games is that win without breaking a sweat that is fine. They won’t do hard work. This is the pathetic new Indian culture.

  292. #293 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 8, 2011 - 5:00 PM

    Bichoo

    With good coaching (Wasim Akram) I think India’s bowling woes can be overcome.

    But I agree that pathetic batting is due to IPL. Strange that such a patriotic/nationalistic country is producing unpatriotic cricketers.

  293. #294 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 8, 2011 - 7:51 PM

    I agree with Bichoo that Tendulkar’s injury is a faked one, and he has been helped the BCCI to exit. Its a shame,

    Aatma, who is Wasim Akram btw?

  294. #295 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 9, 2011 - 11:06 AM

    PCB issues showcause to Miandad

    Javed Miandad, the former Pakistan captain, has been issued a showcause notice by the PCB for criticising the board’s policies in a newspaper interview.

    Miandad, who is currently the director-general of the PCB, apart from being a member of the governing board, had said he was “disappointed” with the functioning of the board as well as the lack of authority vested in him.

    “While closely watching the functioning of the PCB, I am disappointed and feel that 90% decisions [taken by the board] are wrong, and are spoiling the sport in the country,” Miandad told Dawn on Wednesday. “I am not part of the PCB planning only because I require power and freedom to work, since I have given 35 years to Pakistan cricket and earned a good name.

    “People around the world regard my services as a cricketer but the PCB doesn’t want to give me authority to improve [Pakistan] cricket.

    “I have already brought this matter to the notice of PCB patron, President Asif Ali Zardari. Soon I will meet him again to apprise him of the poor condition of cricket in Pakistan. I will request him to either take necessary steps [to improve cricketing matters] or allow me to leave the DG post.”

    This is not the first time Miandad has been critical of the Pakistan board. In February last year he wrote a letter to president Zardari, criticising the appointment of Ijaz Butt as the board chairman. In January 2009 Miandad had resigned as director-general of the PCB over differences concerning the exact scope of his work.

    A month later, Butt and Miandad had traded allegations over Miandad’s resignation at a senate hearing on the decline of Pakistan cricket. The chairman had alleged that Miandad had demanded more money, interfered with matters concerning selection, and was an incapable administrator. Miandad had said at the time that the scope of his role in the contract letter was significantly reduced from what he had initially discussed with the chairman. Though Miandad was reinstated as the director general in March that year, his relationship with Butt has been frosty since.

    Miandad, who has been the coach of the national team on three occasions in the past, was not included in the recently formed committee to appoint a new coach for the national team, after Waqar Younis’ decision to quit as national head coach after the ongoing Zimbabwe tour. In April, Miandad turned down the role of Pakistan’s batting coach due to personal reasons.

    Miandad has been asked to submit his reply within seven days.

  295. #296 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 9, 2011 - 11:09 AM

    Dr.Shah lashes out at PCB for disqualifying Prof. Faruqi

    KARACHI, Sept 8 (APP): Former Karachi City Cricket Association (KCCA) Chief, Dr. Muhammad Ali Shah has lashed out at Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for disqualifying KCCA Secretary Prof. Ejaz Faruqi for speaking about “justice” for the local players. “In a democratic era if an elected official of an association can not fight for the right then it shows dictatorship in the PCB,” he said an interview with APP on Thursday.
    Dr. Shah, who will shortly be launching his Autobiography “Azeem Kamyaboon Ka Safar” said he was highly disappointed with unnecessary action against Prof. Faruqi for speaking out with local players in the selection of the national team.”
    He expressed his serious dismay over disqualification of Prof. Faruqi, who he said is a keen lover of and promotor of sports.
    The former Sindh sports minister called for an immediate restoration of Prof. Ejaz Faruqi as the elected secretary of the cricket body of the biggest metropolis of the country.
    He alleged that since taking over of Ijaz Butt as PCB Chairman there were more legal wranglings then promotion of cricket.
    Dr. Shah said being a member of the PCB Governing Board he always raised voice for the right of the players in the meetings which he said was his legal right being an elected office bearer.
    He said PCB Chairman must learn from his mistakes and treat the cricket organisers of Karachi with respect.
    Dr. Muhammad Ali Shah also hit out at PCB for conducting a club level action itself.
    “Conducting and promoting cricket is job of local a association and ther Board should facilitate different cities and association for the purpose by extending them funding,” he said. Comment of PCB on the issue was not immediately available.

  296. #297 by tom on September 9, 2011 - 8:03 PM

    India’s bad luck continues..
    another opportunity missed

    Is this the Beginning of an Aussie Renaissance!

  297. #298 by Mohammed Munir on September 9, 2011 - 10:38 PM

    Have Indian won any single game on this tour so far ❓

    I think India needs to give a BIG Bally Ka Bakra as a sacrifice to win at lease some game on this “cursed” tour. 😉

  298. #299 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 9, 2011 - 11:55 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Wasim Akram is this guy who is wishing to become the coach for the Indian team.

    He is already the bowling coach of an IPL team.

    And he is the person jiss key baaray mai kisi Malik Qayyum nai kya khoob likha hai…..

  299. #300 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 10, 2011 - 12:44 AM

    KYA LIKHAA HAI? Honestly, I don’t remember.

    Munir

    They’ve won a couple of tour matches.

  300. #301 by Bichoo on September 10, 2011 - 2:03 AM

    Munir,

    That Bally Ka Bakra is goes by the initials MSD, the bull headed Indian captain who refuses to give up on his useless trundler buddies Munna Bhai and RP Singh. Munna gave 7 runs and over today and as a bona fide match loser was bound to lose the game, no questions asked, to think that in Mohali this same Munna was given respect by Misbah and Younus is a chocker. Second, RP Singh bowls at such friendly pace, line and length that even Goeff Boycott’s Mom will hit a few Sixes, let alone Craig Kieswetter. With such pathetic losers in the team, question to be asked is whether India really want to win? because every child by now knows you cannot win with a team with pathetic bowlers like Munna and RP, but not kaptan kool MSD and chief selector Krishnamachari Srikanth.

    I stopped wanting to follow India anymore, not because they aren’t winning, but for these disgusting selection policies and pig headed decision making of MSD. Even in world cup he made so many blunders like playing Pappu Chawla, favoring match losers Ashish Nehra, Munna Patel, so on. But he got away with. MSD has made sure the team is full of his buddies and he has not developed a single new players in his time. Oh, I forget, Jaddu is now an all rounder with his MoM today, he can stay in the team for next 20-30 ODIs. MSD’s great contribution to Indian cricket is Joginder Sharma first, and now Jaddu.

  301. #302 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 10, 2011 - 10:59 AM

    Sharjah cricket stadium gets Ijaz Butt’s nod

    Osman Samiuddin
    Sep 10, 2011

    The refurbishment under way at the Sharjah Cricket Stadium has received a seal of approval from Ijaz Butt, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman.

    The stadium makes a return as a venue for top-flight international cricket after a gap of more than eight years in October-November, when Pakistan host Sri Lanka for a series in the UAE.

    “I was mainly interested in seeing the conditions at the stadium in Sharjah and it is looking in excellent shape,” Butt said on Friday.

    A PCB official said the chairman had also held a meeting with Haroon Lorgat, the International Cricket Council (ICC) chief executive, in Dubai, though it is not clear whether there was a specific agenda other than the Sharjah visit.

  302. #303 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 10, 2011 - 11:54 AM

    Javed A Khan

    You have forgotten Wasim Akram and also the Qayyum Report?

  303. #304 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 10, 2011 - 12:25 PM

    Boria: It’s time for Dhoni to rethink

    It was heartening to see India fight till the very end in the third ODI at The Oval, writes ESPNSTAR.com columnist Boria Majumdar.

    It was also heartening to see the effort put in the field by Suresh Raina, Virat Kohli, Ravindra Jadeja and Ajinkhya Rahane. Raina was sensational and with some luck, could have saved a few more runs and picked a wicket or two. If only he showed a bit more composure while batting, now that he is the vice-captain of the side.

    Ravindra Jadeja grabbed his opportunity with both hands and has given the side the much-needed balance ahead of the fourth one-day international at Lords, India’s last opportunity to stave off a series defeat and a possible whitewash in the one-day format as well.

    Finally, Ravichandran Ashwin was a treat to watch and has shown enough to queer the pitch for the selectors ahead of England’s visit to India next month. Ashwin or Harbhajan will be an interesting selection.

    In the midst of all these positives, team selection continues to baffle. India has persisted with Munaf Patel for over two months and he has only gone from bad to worse. There’s little logic why Munaf was in the Test team in the first place. RP Singh, holidaying at Dalhousie, was flown in as replacement and was put on the park at the Oval while Munaf continued to cool his heels.

    This was enough to demonstrate the captain’s faith or rather the lack of it, as far as Munaf, the Test bowler is concerned. In the 50-over format, it is completely different. Dhoni continues to persist with Munaf when he has done nothing to justify his place ahead of the young Varun Aaron. Aaron has raw pace and could have been blooded in this series ahead of Munaf, exposure that might have done his confidence a lot of good.

    Munaf, more than anyone else, is lazy on the field. It was evident in the last Ashwin over at the Oval, the third last of England’s innings. Fielding at short fine-leg, Munaf hadn’t moved an inch when Stuart Broad tapped the ball towards him and darted for a single. A more pro-active fielder and there was chance of a run out.

    The same man is all gestures when he is bowling. Being hit all round the park by the batsmen, Munaf continues to fling his hands in disgust at the slightest opportunity. He managed to scream at Raina, Kohli and Patel in the course of his nine-over spell, giving the television commentators good fodder to talk about.

    He was upset with Kohli for trying to throw down the stumps and conceding an overthrow when he hadn’t managed to back up, was angry with Raina for standing a tad back at cover and failing to anticipate a mishit from Ravi Bopara and was frustrated with Patel for failing to stop the ball at one go after he had dived to save a boundary at midwicket.

    Bowling at speeds of 127 kmph at an average, he was chalk and cheese for Kieswetter in the first English powerplay. With a packed off side field, Munaf bowled at Kieswetter’s legs with regularity, allowing him to set the foundation for the English chase. Going for 20 of his first two and 60 plus in his spell, he was the reason why valiant efforts by both Ashwin and Jadeja weren’t enough in the end.

    After almost seven years in the international scene, Munaf has still not managed to cement his place in any one format of the game. He has hardly won India a match singlehandedly and it is time to look beyond him and allow youngsters like Aaron a look in at Lords. India needs penetration in Australia and Munaf isn’t the solution to Dhoni’s problems.

    A word on Dhoni is also in order. Saurav Ganguly has grown tired of suggesting Dhoni should bat up the order in the 50-over format. Raina is the best hitter in the team and is of great value in the latter stages of the innings. Dhoni has better technique and can manoeuvre the ball better than Raina in times of crisis.

    Batting a number up at Lords and Cardiff can well bring India back to winning ways with the youngsters showing good intensity and pluck all round, intensity that had been missing right through the Test series. With a view to the future, Manoj Tiwari ahead of Dravid might also be an option to think about.

    Surely, a better fielder and a handy part-timer, Tiwari needs a fair run to prove his mettle. Let him wait till Cardiff, however, for all of Lord’s will want to say a final goodbye to India’s best-ever overseas batsman.

  304. #305 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 10, 2011 - 4:26 PM

    Rashid Latif slams tour selection committee for ignoring Asad

    Former Pakistan Captain Rashid Latif expressed his astonishment for dropping talented batsman Asad Shafiq from the team in the opening One-day International against Zimbabwe at Bulawayo.
    “This is pure injustice to drop Asad Shafiq, who had been performing consistently for last one year,” he told APP in an interview while recording his reaction on the injustice meted out to some players.

    “What are criteria of selecting Shoaib Malik in place of Asad.
    This is injustice with a quick emerging player,” he commented.

    Misbah-ul-Haq’s Pakistan team survived a scare before cruising to a thrilling 5-run victory.

    Misbah and Younis Khan scored superb half centuries and pacer Aizaz Cheema snapped three wickets to lead Pakistan to nail-biting win.

    Shoaib Malik, who was making a comeback after nearly a year went after making two.

    “Every player making a comeback needed some time before given an opportunity.

    He credited Brenden Taylor’s Zimbabwean team for putting a great show on the first day.

    “The way Zimbabwe played they will be offering Pakistan a stiff challenge in coming matches,” he predicted.

    He expressed the hope that another talented batsman Rameez Raja, who rose to fame from T20 Cup in Faisalabad in July must be treated well and should get a place in Pakistan T20 squad.

    Rashid Latif said selection committee headed by Mohsin Khan has been very inconsistent especially against Karachi players.

    Giving the example, he said paceman Muhammad Sami is the fastest bowler in Pakistan and deserved a place in one-day squad.

    He said selection committee had been very harsh on opener Khurram Manzoor, pace bowler Tanvir Ahmed, Khalid Latif and Sarfraz Ahmed.

    Former skipper praised left handed opener Nasir Jamshed, who he said has improved and deserved a place in the national team.
    He expressed the hope that selection committee will rectify its mistakes in the series against Sri Lanka and England.

    “Injustice by selection committee will be very harmful in the long run,” he said.

    He said like the players, great injustice was also done with KCCA Secretary Prof. Ejaz Faruqi for raising the voice for the right of Karachi players by Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB).

    “Prof. Faruqi is a respected gentleman and has been great supporter and promotor of Karachi cricketer,” he maintained.

    “Action against Prof. Faruqi by PCB has tarnished the image of the PCB, he added.

  305. #306 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 10, 2011 - 5:00 PM

    what is the criteria of selecting Imran Farhat? Only to please his SASUR JEE? What a load of crap. Sania Malik was selected because of some valid reason.

  306. #307 by JAVED A. KHAN on September 10, 2011 - 5:03 PM

    During this entire tour, Dhoni has been successful on ONE account only and that is in reviving his lost love with his JADDU. “Kya banay gee joree, ek andhaa ek koree.”

  307. #308 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 11, 2011 - 1:04 PM

    Has Raina played the innings of his life today?

    Match winning knock?

  308. #309 by Pyaasi Aatma on September 11, 2011 - 1:34 PM

    new thread

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