PAKISTANIS FORGET THE IPL

How many times on this blog we have said this before and how many times you want us to repeat it.

PAKISTANI CRICKET PLAYERS FOR HEAVENS SAKE HAVE SOME DIGNITY AND HONOUR FOR YOUR COUNTRY.  EVEN IF YOU ARE INVITED BY THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA, DON’T GO TO INDIA TO PLAY FOR THE IPL.

It gives everyone the impression that you guys are cheap, you go for money and you want to earn money by hook or by crook, is it the way you want to become rich? All money and NO respect? Some of you get involved in match fixing and match settings, some in drugs and that brings ill reputation to the country. There is something very important in ones life and it is: “patriotism honest, sincerity, dignity, self respect and self-esteem.” You want to forgo all this for money?  Even a prostitute and a drug peddler also makes money, do you appreciate that kind of earnings?

The BCCI and the IPL authorities, the government of India and the public in general in India, have been against the inclusion of Pakistani cricket players in their IPL tournament, so why go there with a KASHKOLE? (begging bowl), I would never step in a country if I am not respected or, welcome.  They have clearly said a big NO for Pakistanis then what is the need to go and lyck their hassess? And that too old stinking and unwashed ones? Yuck. Stop it, stop it guys, with Ijaz Butt has gone, try to rebuild a team for the nation, playing for the country is a much bigger honour than playing for IPL and SHYPL.

BE PATRIOTIC AND FORGET ABOUT IPL

BE PATRIOTIC AND FORGET ABOUT IPL

SHAHID AFRIDI, I AM WRITING THIS IN PARTICULAR FOR YOU I.E., BECAUSE OF YOUR RECENT STATEMENT YOU HAVE SAID: “It is high time Pakistani cricketers also get a place in the IPL. For three seasons, including the current one, we haven’t been a part of the IPL,” Shahid Afridi

WHY? What makes you feel like that it is high time? Is it your birth right to play in India for the IPL and that too with such disgrace and humiliation? If your brother is slapped by someone for no reason would you be nice to that person?  Shoaib Akhtar has been kicked and dragged by the Indian media and they broke all the commitments and agreements of launching the book in India, shows how trivial they are.  I think Akhtar did the right thing by giving them a nip in the bud in his book ny writing that Tendulkar The Parmeshwar was once scared of his bowling.  THOU SHALT NOT BE CRITICIZED, BECAUSE HE IS A GOD.

See, how farcical and how trivial they are to do this and you want to go there and play for them? Shame on you Afridi and whoever else goes there.  You already have a LOT OF MONEY and no brains, think of acquiring it by being in the company of learned people instead of being surrounded by chamchas with kishmish brains and they are there to please you and agree with you and your muddled thinking.  GROW UP AFRIDI, GROW UP.  Already 30 plus and still acting childish? All that talent is a waste if you do not apply it in the right channel.

People blame you for your erratic behaviour and your pathetic decision making in announcing retirements and the worst of all is when you decided to make a side agreement and an outside the court settlement with Ijaz Butt and his cronies.  Earlier the whole of Pakistan was behind you and when you betrayed the fanfare, by breaking the pitchers upon seeing the Hampshire League and Sri Lanka League clouds, you lost both opportunities,   TUM YAHAN KAY REHAY NA WAHAN KAY REHAY.  And, no one has any sympathies for you.

So, please stop this IPL dreams, you are not Wasim Akram Desh Drohi or Adnan Sami Khan the characterless fella.  You can rebuild your reputation but this time you can’t be senseless like before, you have to prove that you are a changed man. You need any help, you come to us.

Pakistan is such a beautiful country blessed with so many natural resources and beautiful places, just see the photos below:

Glacier in Pakistan

Glacier in Pakistan

Shonser Lake Pakistan

Shonser Lake Pakistan

spardu Lake Pakistan

spardu Lake Pakistan

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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 15, 2011 - 8:15 AM

    WE HAVE A NEW THREAD PLEADING THE PAKISTANI CRICKET TEAM NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE IPL

    PLEASE WRITE YOUR COMMENTS ON THE NEW THREAD HERE, THANKS.

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 15, 2011 - 8:16 AM

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/536499.html

    Check out what Dr. Saad Shafqat has written about BUTT and Zaka………….

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 15, 2011 - 8:19 AM

    Pakistan cricket team leaves for UAE

    ABU DHABI: The Pakistan cricket team led by Misbah-ul-Haq has left for the UAE Saturday to play against Sri Lanka starting with the first Test on Tuesday, October 18 at the Sheikh Zayed International Cricket Stadium, Geo News reported..

    While talking to media at Lahore’s Allama Iqbal International Airport, team coach Mohsin Khan said that the current team is balanced with junior and senior players, and it will try to give optimum results in the upcoming series.

    He said that the team has worked on different areas to improve performance as tough game is expected between the two teams.

    Captain Misbah-ul-Haq expressed his hopes to deliver good performance and said that he is satisfied with the players combination.

    The team is scheduled to play 5 ODI, 3 Test and one Twenty20 matches against Sri Lanka.

    The Sri Lankan cricket team is led by Tillakaratne Dilshan.

  4. #4 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 2:34 PM

    Dean Jones says he was ‘so ready to break Sarfraz’s nose’ for match-fixing accusations

    Sydney, Oct 15(ANI): Former Australian batsman Dean Jones has said that he was ‘so ready to break the nose’ of former Pakistan bowler Sarfraz Nawaz some five years ago in Islamabad, for his ‘ridiculous’ match-fixing allegations.

    “Sarfraz is the guy who said under parliamentary privilege that I was guilty of match fixing and this is why I was sacked as a player,” Jones wrote in The Age.

    “Please, tell me if I am wrong here, but it was me who retired from international cricket and the selectors wanted me to continue in the one-day format. Sarfraz was lucky he didn’t make these ridiculous allegations outside of parliament, as I would have sent legal action against him forthwith. Thus the reason he went silent,” he added.

  5. #5 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 2:40 PM

    I don’t want to mention too many articles regarding politics but this brought a smile to my face……

    Kahan Churchill or kahan Gillani?? LOL

    Yousaf Gillani was the guy who said, “We are agree” to a delegation of Turkish leadership a few years ago and he wants to adopt the ways of Winston Churchill?

    Gilani says Churchill inspired him to be ‘firm without being rough’

    ISLAMABAD, Oct 14 (APP): Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani on Friday said his ‘soft but firm’ political temperament was based on an inspiration by great British statesman Winston Churchill. Gilani quoted Churchill’s saying as ‘One should be firm without being rough’ and said he adopted the same disposition that paid him dividends in shape of a harmonious and amicable political atmosphere in the country. “It is my desire to be remembered as a person who shunned the politics of vengeance,” Gilani said while addressing the award-winning students of matric and intermediate at a function organized by Federal Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education at the Prime Minister Secretariat here.

    Gilani said he could proudly state that never in the country’s 65-year history, there had been a single political prisoner during his tenure as prime minister.
    “I did not take revenge even from those who put me in jail for five years on giving jobs to the unemployed,” he said, and insisted that prisons sometimes prove as great reformatory cells.
    Gilani quoted another statement by Churchill as ‘The empires of the future are the empires of the mind’ and urged the students to follow this golden rule in their lives.
    “We want people to learn skills and get specialized knowledge to prove them as an asset for the nation,” he said.
    In a lighter vein he said, “Gone are the days when only idles joined politics in this country,” and said now it was the field of educated and learned people.

  6. #6 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 3:12 PM

    “According to my knowledge Afridi has not joined MQM. He is a cricketer and he should stay away from politics. He has a huge fan following. I think these are just rumours,”: Mirza Iqbal Baig

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 15, 2011 - 3:17 PM

    LOL@Gillani Ch2yuim Sulphate. I am sure during Gillani’s school days he may never heard the name of Winston Churchill. Perhaps he is referring to Winston Churchill’s parrot which is still alive (past the age of 100). Those who know Gillani says he always carry a paindoish look on his face, to me it is still obvious. Especially when he said in the US in front of the US media, denying the report there are plenty of terrorists in Pakistan, he replied, “WE HAVE HAND PICKED OF TERRORISTS” hahahaha IDIOT.

    On his UN-STATESMANLIKE statement that: “One shoujld be firm without being rough.” may I ask Mr. Gillani whether he is firm with his SON and his WIFE?

    Abdul Qadir Gillani, his son is reportedly buying every single hot property in London from the BAITUL MAAL OF PAKASTAN is he firm with him? He has now acquired hundreds of millions of pound sterling worth of property in the UK Also he has Smuggled a bullet proof car in Pakistan for his personal use i.e., without paying any custom duty or sales tax and was blatantly denying that he bought it from his HAQ HALAL income. Before getting into elections his father could not afford a new Honda 70 motorcycle and used to roam around in Lahore on his PHITTI HOWEE Honda 70. Today this whole family has suddenly became BILLIONAIRES where did this windfall came from? Kya Chatt Phatee theee? Rupai ki Barish hoi? Pakistanis tou Sailaab may beh gaye, yae bay ghairat luteray qaom ko loot tay rehay aur loot rehay hain.

    His dear wife Fauzia Gillani whenever she goes to London becomes Crazia Gillani and starts her shopping spree at Old Bond Street and in the Harrods, last time reportedly she bought, 80 krore rupees worth of a piece of single jewellery for her personal use while the country was flooded and people had nothing to eat or cover themselves with and she bought a single piece of jewellery for that amount?Allah ki Laaanat hai inn sab pay!. The sooner they have acquired this wealth through unfair means, the sooner they will be deprived of it, INSHALLAH.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 15, 2011 - 3:22 PM

    Mirza Iqbal Baig also blabs to get public attention. His meesna andaaz in interviewing people is incomparable. The best interview was with Imran Nazir, if you guys have not seen that, you must see it. Amran Nazeer was wearing an extremely tight shirt and not only his arm pits were wet with sweat but, almost half his shirt was wet and he was constantly wiping sweat from his face and in between his Punjabish he was Sapeeking, Anglish and that is BAKAOZ he wanted to show to the people that he is ADDUCATED and he can sapeek Anglish furr furr. 😀 I am horrible, yes I am.

  9. #9 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 3:31 PM

    Good riddance to Calamity Butt

    Kamran Abbasi

    Ijaz Butt is a miracle man. It was a miracle that he survived so long, and a greater miracle that Pakistan cricket survived him. One consolation from Butt’s reign of blunders is an appreciation that Pakistan cricket is a resilient enterprise, capable of withstanding any number of escapades at the precipice of destruction. Butt’s failed suicide mission has affirmed that Pakistan cricket’s demise will only come with the demise of the country.

    Under Butt’s half-seeing eye, each routine incident became a crisis, every disaster a calamity. Butt treated a national obsession with utter contempt, yet that obsession is so compulsive that it will endure thanks to the passion of players and supporters. When the Test series begins in Abu Dhabi next week, with one Butt gone and another Butt squirming in a London courtroom, Pakistan cricket will suck in the first breaths of a new life.

    Butt’s incompetence is surpassed only by his arrogance. The spot-fixing scandal shames Pakistan cricket each day, a potent testament to the failures of his cricket board, an organisation entirely incapable of handling any challenge. An attack on Sri Lanka’s cricketers on the doorstep of the PCB’s headquarters, isolation of Pakistan cricket and its cricketers, and a corruption crisis all demonstrated the failures of governance on Butt’s watch.

    The PCB became unloved at home and abroad, a friendless and joyless body seeking domination by oppressing its prize assets, heroes of Pakistan cricket past and present. It was obvious to everyone except the man himself that he was a bumbling misfit. Thanks to the indulgence of his friend and patron, President Asif Zardari, Butt treated and abused Pakistan cricket like a personal fiefdom.

    This was an extreme example of the danger of personal connections prevailing over competence. Butt had no right to head Pakistan cricket but he arrogantly berated his enemies and interfered with the responsibilities of other board officers, including the national selectors. Worse still, his board damaged relationships with star players, Younis Khan and Shahid Afridi being prime examples. All along, Butt unapologetically revelled in the fame that his position and his connections brought him. He had no insight into his unworthiness for the post, only a hubristic conviction in his own decision-making.

    Shaharyar Khan was the last of man of quality to head Pakistan cricket, a welcome improvement on the amateur enthusiasms of General Tauqir Zia. But The Oval Test of 2006 weakened Khan, and his successor, Naseem Ashraf, was a chancer on a mission of self-promotion. By the time Butt took charge, the office of board chairman had been devalued and the low expectations of Butt’s regime were amply fulfilled.

    Butt leaves Pakistan cricket in an abject mess. The chief selector is also interim national coach. The interim chief selector has a penchant for public disputes and a brazen disregard for conflicts of interest. Several major players are suspended or disenfranchised. Pakistan no longer hosts international cricket. The cricket board is marginalised in international cricket politics. The national team is lowly in international rankings, and the feel-good factor of 2009’s World T20 victory has long since evaporated. Three years of damage will take a generation to repair.

    Butt has truly failed and his purported successor, Zaka Ashraf, is unknown to the world except for a worrying proximity to the President of Pakistan. In Pakistan, it seems only the president’s relatives or close friends have the essential skills and experience to run a major enterprise. What a pitifully untalented lot we are. The new chairman’s strongest endorsement is that it is hard to imagine how anybody could fare worse than Butt, although plumbing new depths of incompetence has become a national pastime.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan’s cricketers attempt to build on encouraging progress since the spot-fixing allegations, and the supporters, almost with one voice, shout good riddance to Butt, the man who came closest to destroying Pakistan cricket. Among the legion catastrophes that have besieged Pakistan cricket in the past decade, the biggest calamity of all was the man himself.

  10. #10 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 4:14 PM

    Who will offer me a film, asks Dravid

    Hindustantimes

    His seniors have been there. So have his contemporaries and juniors, but ace cricketer Rahul ‘The Wall’ Dravid laughs off his chances on the big screen if a role were to be offered to him, now that he has quit playing one-day cricket.

    “I don’t think anyone will ever give me a chance in films because I think I’m not good enough. I am a very bad actor,” says Dravid. But, he enjoys watching movies. “The last one I saw was that Farhan Akhtar film Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara.”

    Perhaps his focus on the game is what has kept him away from the barrage of endorsements even though most other cricketers do them. “I’ve no interest in these things. I love cricket and everything I ever do will be associated with the game,” says the 38-year-old, who was in Delhi to launch sport label Maxxport’s new collection. He adds, “I try not doing things that I’m not comfortable with. Some of the other guys are a lot more extrovert.”

    Ask him if this is affecting their performance and he says, “No. What you do off the field is really your personal life.” And what is his own like, now that he’s said goodbye to ODIs and T20 cricket? “I have very young kids, so I spend a lot of time at home.” Ask him if it hurt that Shoaib Akhtar, in his autobiography, questioned his cricketing ability and he says, “It didn’t shock me or bother me. He is entitled to say what he wants.”

  11. #11 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 4:21 PM

    I would have definitely played Gambhir as an opener: Akram

    Press Trust of India

    New Delhi: Former Pakistan skipper Wasim Akram feels that Gautam Gambhir should get back to opening the innings for India instead of batting at the number three position.

    With the Indian team management preferring to go with Ajinkya Rahane and Parthiv Patel up the order after their decent outings in England, regular opener Gambhir was left with no option but to bat at number three in the first ODI against England in Hyderabad on Friday, but Akram firmly believed that the Delhi left-hander should return to his usual position.

    I think the team management sees that Gambhir’s future in the playing XI is at number three, but I would have definitely played him as an opener.”

    “As a bowler you would enjoy bowling to a hit-and-miss kind of batsman because you know sooner rather than later you will be able to get the better of him. But Gambhir is one player who plays proper strokes and with his ability he can win you matches on his own if he bats the 50 overs,” Akram said.

  12. #12 by tom on October 15, 2011 - 4:41 PM

    I think apart from money it is also the glitter factor that attracts pakistani cricketers towards IPL. The presence of bollywood stars, celebrities, business tycoons also serve to spice up and the absence of a proper T20 structure add to the incentives. obviously, money is the biggest factor and I dont find integrity in Pakistani cricketers- even politicians, bureaucrats, celebs, journalists all exhibit lack of integrity.

    This is the typical psyche of pakistani society; just concentrate on wealth and to hell with all these values. I think that Paki cricketers will flock like bees when they see trash whenever they get offers from IPL.

    Iqbal baig is actually LAAL BAIG. His moutache twirls just like antennae of cockroach when he talks.

  13. #13 by tom on October 15, 2011 - 4:45 PM

    I think Churchill could have never mustered as much wealth as Gilly boy coz Churchill never had a boss like Zardari.

  14. #14 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 4:54 PM

    Tom

    I thought Abbasi wrote quite a good article on Ijaz Butt.

    Did you ever write on Pakspin, and what was your nick?

  15. #15 by tom on October 15, 2011 - 5:10 PM

    Khansahab

    I never wrote on Pakspin. I do flirt on DAWN sometimes but I find their moderation policy not ok. They are too biased and they portray Pakistan as some modern day European state which aint true. They are too pro Indian. iam ok with that but that doesnt mean you dont publish comments which are slightly anti Indian.

    Yeah its a nice article although I think the real miracle man is Zardari and Butt mainly survived due to his Asheerwad. When Zardari will depart there will be a plethora of articles about his legacy. I think some of Butt’s bloopers will be broken by this new PCB set up.

  16. #16 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 5:53 PM

    Javed A Khan

    You’ve said Imran will never be able to gather a lot of votes, but the media is now siding with him and his supporters say he will bring “Anklaab (Revolution)” in the country.

    There is now a chance that he will eat into so many of Nawaz League’s votes that they will lose their majority in Punjab because the votes will equally be shared between PPP, Q League, Imran and Nawaz.

    He will therefore become a powerful figure in Punjab politics and he is also expected to perform the same way in KP where the votes will be divided between religious parties, ANP, and Imran.

    So, to hold such a stake in 2 provinces is not bad political performance, but his problem will be that he can never grab MQM and PPP’s votes in Sindh, which is why there is no way he can win a majority in the next election.

  17. #17 by Aatma-hathya on October 15, 2011 - 5:57 PM

    Tom

    Yeah, there is money, girls, booze etc in IPL so why wouldn’t the Pakistani players want to go there?

    In Inzamam’s time they went into Mullahgiri but generally they all want that lavish and glamorous lifestyle.

    IPL basically means earn money for no hard work and this motto is very appealing to “desi” psyche 😀

  18. #18 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 15, 2011 - 8:19 PM

    DAWN‘s policy of censorship and editing is worst than cricinfo, Sometimes they have published my comments but, most of the times they simply ignore and on other blogs I never use the words I use here so generally my comments are fair and square but, they don’t get published sometimes I get a feeling that they get a little bit cheesed off when the WordPress photo appears, or they find me some kinda farangee. But, trust me I followed advise of one of my friends and wrote a few comments using Hindu names and they all got approved and published. BUT, I hate doing that, I have my own identity and I have my own style and I want to be known by my real name and any ala bala name. Sorry, if you guys feel hurt, because you don’t use your real names, I am not directing these comments towards you. Everyone has his own choice and his own preference and mine is different. On Pakispin through out I wrote comments under my real name and there were so many people who were either pissed off or some were very keen to read. I know because they admitted, khansahab you know that fella Ashaq he confessed that, so also Amit P. and Sachin who joined our blog later. Kamran Abassi is a good writer but I like Dr. Saad Shafqat most and even Osman Samiuddin.

    ON IPL, basically Pakistani players have no sharm O haya they are dheet and wants to make money by hook or by crook and on surface they all do this patriotic and religious somersaults on the ground, Sajda kerna, Hath utha ker dua kerna, Ba Jammaat ground per namaz parhna, this is all DIKHAWA and show baazi. When it comes to prove your integrity, patriotism, honesty, self respect etc., yae wohi chamaar kay chamaar hain, paisa phenko tamasha dekho wali baat hai, they all go for money and yes there is glitz and glamour but apparently they all had beard wo bhee dikhaway ko.

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 16, 2011 - 9:25 AM

    Pakistan’s top court admits petition against Zaka Ashraf

    Pakistan’s Supreme Court has admitted a petition filed against new PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf, which questions his appointment as president of Zarai Taraqiati Bank Limited (ZTBL) three years ago while still a member of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP).

    A three member bench of the court, headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, heard the petition and then adjourned the case till November 14. This petition is unlikely to affect Ashraf’s legal status as the PCB head.

    Ashraf, who took over as the PCB chief from Ijaz Butt earlier this week, held the president’s post of ZTBL – a bank set up to aid agriculture in the country – for three years. He was named president while on the central executive committee of the PPP, potentially flouting the rule by which political office holders are barred from holding the position of head of ZTBL. The petition also alleges that Ashraf made illegal appointments during his presidency, citing 32 cases as examples.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 16, 2011 - 9:31 AM

    IS THIS A COVER UP OR, A DELIBERATE RUSE TO PROTECT A GIRAYEEN FROM BRINGING DISGRACE TO HIMSELF, THE BUTT FAMILY, THE PAKISTAN CRICKET TEAM AND THE COUNTRY? WHAT IS $34,000 FOR THE PCB OR THE BUTT FAMILY TO DISH OUT AND GET SALMAN BUTT BAILED OUT?

    LONDON: A witness says large amounts of money discovered by police searching the rooms of two Pakistani cricketers in relation to alleged match-fixing could have come from legitimate payments made by the Pakistan Cricket Board.

    PCB’s director of cricket operations Zakir Khan gave evidence via video link to London’s Southwark crown court on Thursday detailing the payments made to contracted players.

    Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif, together with Pakistan team-mate Mohammed Aamir, are accused of conspiring with agent Mazhar Majeed to bowl deliberate no-balls in a test against England. Butt and Asif deny the charges.

    Zakir says Butt was paid the equivalent of $34,000 by the PCB to reject offers from an unsanctioned Twenty20 league, alongside other earnings. TO ME THIS IS VERY FISHY. WHY ONLY SALMAN BUTT AND WHY NOT OTHERS WERE PAID BY THE PCB? SHAHID AFRIDI GETS MORE OFFERS AND MORE EARNINGS THAN SALMAN BUTT WHY DIDN’T THEY TRY TO SEDUCE HIM AND ASK HIM TO REJECT THE HAMPSHIRE LEAGUE OR THE SRI LANKA LEAGUE? THIS IS ALL BUTTSHIT.

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 16, 2011 - 11:21 AM

    Why was Zakir or the PCB so quiet up till now? And, why was Salman Butt told the whole world that this money was for her sister’s bridal dress or Shadi ka Jora whatever. They must have come up with a new scheme now to rescue him. If I can sense this is a cooked version, the lawyers are much more sharper in detecting the variation in the story. Butt only mentioned about some ice cream parlour opening ceremony in which he got a few hundred pound sterling c’est ca.

  22. #22 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 11:53 AM

  23. #23 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 12:04 PM

    Khansahab

    This whole tableegh thing of pakistani cricket team is a charade. The higher ups of Jamaat somehow convinced Inzy that with their prayers team will win. Hence instead of improving cricket skills, focus was on preaching and sermons. The climax of this event occurred in 2007 WC where Pakistan exited in group stage. Actually Tableegh Jamaat weorks on premise that if you capture the big fish, the crowd will follow. So they caught inzy, Junaid jamshed (singer), Saeed anwar, afridi but the public is smart enough not to fall in this trap. Its nothing but marketing of Islam even if it means violating the fundamentals of Islam- a clear bypass of the method laid by Prophets and their Companions.

    Thats one reason modern muslim specially the youth seem confused and disillusioned. there is massive contradiction amongst muslims. You know few months ago on TV a maulvi was preaching to Veena malik about her antics on Big boss. How stupid calling her bahen etc. Veena was all tears and asking what was her crime if same thing is done in Lollywood. That idiot maulvi was doing what- preachinmmg or relishing conversation with Meera. What do you expect from movie girls; they’ll do this stuff whether its lollywood, bolllywood or hollywood. What was the end rfesult of this event- poor depiction and negative marketing of Islam.

  24. #24 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    Actually I think that Veena was better than the Maulvi. Veena used her body to earn bucks which is was what sluts like her do but that scum went on TV to earn bucks by using his FAITH & KNOWLEDGE. SHAME! and shame on that Channel too for airing such BS.

  25. #25 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 3:04 PM

    Arthur in line for Pakistan national team coach’s job

    KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board has shortlisted former South African coach, Mickey Arthur, for the post of head coach of the national team.

    An official source in the board confirmed that Arthur was one of the five candidates finalised by the special committee, which was formed by the board to recommend former coach Waqar Younis’ replacement.

    The committee, headed by ex-Pakistan captain, Intikhab Alam, shortlisted Australia’s Dean Jones, former England all-rounder Dermot Reeves, Arthur and two Pakistanis — Aaqib Javed and Sabih Azhar — for the job.

    “The committee had submitted the list to the former chairman of the board, Ijaz Butt and he had told Intikhab and Rameez Raja who is on the committee to first negotiate with Arthur and if he declined than the others in order of preference,” the source said.

  26. #26 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 3:07 PM

    Zaheer Abbas might be next PCB COO

    Former Test captain Zaheer Abbas is likely to secure the important position of Chief Operating Officer in the Pakistan Cricket Board.

    Sources close to Zaheer said that the former Test batsman, who has remained a selector and manager with the national team previously, is confident of getting the top post once Zaka Ashraf takes charge.

    “He has been going around telling his close friends and supporters that he is prepared for the position and in some instances he has even been inquiring about the pay package and responsibilities of the COO in the PCB,” a source confirmed.

    Zaheer said that he was prepared to work in the Board in any senior position depending on what offer the PCB made to him.

    “It is premature to talk about these things but why not I do want to serve Pakistan in some way and I have done it in the past,” he said.

  27. #27 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 3:11 PM

    Tom

    Man I don’t know what the hype surrounding Veena Malik is about. She has repulsive looks.

    I am much more in favour of the Moulvi because at least he is asking people to suppress their desires and suppress the sexualisation of females.

  28. #28 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 3:15 PM

    Tom

    That crying and squealing of Veena Malik was a drama too when she was protesting with tears, in that programme with the Moulvi. It was a signal to “talent hunters” in India and Pakistan both that she can act a bit and she is also willing to show some skin.

    I think it is unfair only to assume that the Moulvi was being insincere and saying things in bad faith, but Veena was not.

  29. #29 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 3:18 PM

    Spot-fixing: Kaneria rubbishes Salman Butt’s claims

    KARACHI: Pakistan’s Danish Kaneria has taken exception to the statement given by banned skipper Salman Butt during the spot-fixing trial in London that he was introduced to agent Mazhar Majeed by the leg-spinner.

    “I don’t know what sort of rubbish Salman Butt is talking about. I don’t know this fellow Mazhar Majeed and have had no sort of contact with him. I have instructed my lawyer in London to initiate proceedings to file damages against Butt,” Kaneria said on Saturday.

    He made it clear that he was flabbergasted by Butt’s claims about him introducing Majeed to other players.

    “It is all rubbish… I don’t know what sort of game this fellow (Butt) is trying to play but he is under oath in the trial and he is telling white lies. He has already been exposed for his activities and apparently he has not learnt his lesson,” Kaneria said.

    The leggie, who is also facing issues with the Pakistan Cricket Board over clearance for national selection, insisted that he will not allow Butt to taint his image.

    “My lawyer is preparing the documents and soon he will file for damages against Butt for misleading and lying to the court,” he said.

    Kaneria said he only saw Majeed mixing with other players namely Butt, Mohammad Aamer, Mohammad Asif, Kamran Akmal and others on different tours.

    “I was just aware that he (Majeed) was an agent for these players. I never had any sort of contacts with him. There is no question of me introducing him to anyone,” he reiterated.

    Butt made the claims during the ongoing spot-fixing hearing at the Southwark Court in London.

    Kaneria has also filed a petition in the Sindh High Court against the PCB’s decision to not clear him for national selection because of spot-fixing allegations against him during a Pro-40 match between Essex and Durham in 2009.

  30. #30 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 3:19 PM

    Tom

    It was interesting reading your news article about PIA.

    I am shocked the Mullahs in Saudi will accept bribes to disregard fines and penalties.

  31. #31 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 3:24 PM

    6 parchees in the Pakistan squad………

    We can beat Pakistan: Dilshan

    COLOMBO: Sri Lanka captain Tillakaratne Dilshan has said that his team is capable of beating Pakistan in the upcoming tour of the UAE.

    Dilshan said that he was confident his team would be able to end their win drought in UAE.

    “Pakistan has a mixture of experienced and young talent in their line-up. I think we can take on that challenge and beat them,” said Dilshan.

    Since taking as captain from Kumar Sangakkara, Dilshan played under Australian Stuart Law as interim coach for the tour to England and former Sri Lanka fast bowler Rumesh Ratnayake in the recent home series against Australia.

    Sri Lanka have since appointed Australian Geoff Marsh on a two-year contract.

    “Marsh is contracted for two years and he is a respected player and coach and I hope we can build on a good partnership and carry Sri Lanka cricket forward,” said Dilshan.

    “His presence will benefit a lot of youngsters and we can get a lot out of him to develop our cricket. While working together only we can find shortcomings and overcome them.”

    Dilshan also said that his country’s cricketing future lies in the hands of the fast bowlers.

    “In the past 20 years or so we have depended on the spin of (Muttiah) Muralitharan for our success,” said Dilshan before the team left for the UAE to meet Pakistan in a series of three tests, five one-day internationals and a one-off twenty20 international.

    “Murali is a bowler who can take six to eight wickets in an innings – we have still not found anyone who can do it consistently as him,” added Dilshan.

    “The future for our success lies with our fast bowlers. In the spin department only Rangana Herath has proved himself a top quality bowler. If we hope to win Test matches we will have to have the support of the other spinners as well.”

    Sri Lanka suffered a blow when one of their most promising young fast bowlers Shaminda Eranga was ruled out of the tour with a shoulder injury.

    Dilshan said he was not worried that Sri Lanka had yet to record a Test win in their last 11 matches since the retirement of Muralitharan, who ended his career with a world record haul of 800 Test wickets last year.

    “We have lost two matches and drawn nine and that is not a bad record,” said Dilshan.

    “We lost the two Tests to very good sides England and Australia, one of them was due to a poor batting performance at Cardiff and in the other at Galle the toss played a crucial role.

    “If you look back on the rest of our performances I am quite satisfied.”

    The first test against Pakistan starts at Abu Dhabi on October 18.

    Squads:

    Pakistan: Mohammad Hafeez, Taufiq Umar, Imran Farhat, Younis Khan, Misbah-ul-Haq (captain), Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Shoaib Malik, Adnan Akmal, Saeed Ajmal, Abdul Rehman, Umar Gul, Wahab Riaz, Aizaz Cheema, Junaid Khan.

    Sri Lanka: Tillakaratne Dilshan (capt), Angelo Mathews, Tharanga Paranavitana, Lahiru Thirimanne, Kumar Sangakkara, Mahela Jayawardene, Prasanna Jayawardene, Dinesh Chandimal, Rangana Herath, Suraj Randiv, Chanaka Welegedara, Suranga Lakmal, Kosala Kulasekara, Dhammika Prasad, Nuwan Pradeep, Kaushal Silva.

    Umpires: Tony Hill (NZL) and Rodney Tucker (AUS)

    Tv umpire: Ahsan Raza (PAK)

    Match referee: David Boon (AUS)

  32. #32 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 16, 2011 - 3:26 PM

    khansahab

    But, the moulvi was preaching at the wrong place and the wrong person. There is self respect and dignity which is lacking in that moulvi and Veena despite being a Gashti got much more sympathies from people after that debate, so the effort proved negative.

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 16, 2011 - 3:34 PM

    Doesn’t he sound DESPERATE? I mean Zaheer Abbass. He is such an incompetent nincompoop and yet he is pushing his case forward. At Oval instead of doing his job, he was talking to his close friends on the phone and updating them with what is going on, just to show off that he is in the thick and thin of that action. Whereas he was only a part of the problem and not the solution. He was fired and then they want to bring him back to poop again?

    On the $34,000 which Zakir Khan claims that the PCB gave it to Salman Butt in London, a part of which was supposed to be to lure him back into the team and keep Shahid Afridi away. Doesn’t this sound more fishy? The more I think about it the more I am convinced that the PCB is definitely involved in betting with Majeed. They were getting their cuts as well, and that is why they were offering Salman Butt that kinda money under the table. Majeed has confirmed that the players revolted against Afridi so that Salman Butt takes over the captaincy and it is easier for him to deal with him because, he was his man. In this case the PCB is equal partner of the crime that the trio committed. IMO all those who were involved including Ijaz Butt, Subhan, Zakir Khan etc., must be admonished and penalized heavily for being a part of the spot fixing and match fixing.

  34. #34 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 16, 2011 - 3:48 PM

    Nadeem Yousufzai, Managing Director of PIA, apni ma ka BHO……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… la buccha. Usko peechay ka kuch nai pata? Vo konsa Pathan hai jisko peechay ka nahee pata? How come he is acting innocent and not interested and blah, blah?

    In ALL big organizations, all these expensive gifts, giveaways etc., are purchased in the name of gifts “FOR VIP CLIENTS” but, there is a big mafia in it. First of all when they are buying they buy duplicates, that remains with them for their close friends and families. So, half of them remains for distribution and even from that, the lower management or managers who are supposed to deliver these gifts, keep some of them for themselves or for their “Charming Friends.” Like, Veena, Meera, Heera etc. etc. Yae duniya hai, aur iss duniya may bahot haira phairy hoti hai.

  35. #35 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 4:24 PM

    Khansahab

    The hype surrounding Veena has to do with sex and thats what she is- a sex object. See if you want to purge the society of prostitution you’ll preach the clients. The moulvi was preaching the salesman. You would never go to lollywood with a rosary in your hand and preach the reemas, meeras and veenas. You’ll simply ask the men folk to stop being lustful and be restricted to their wives (mind you not as simple as it sounds). The issue was Veena’s presence in big boss. If you happen to watch some of the punjabi and pushto movies made in pakistan you’ll forget western porns. The question posed by Veena was why all the fuss over her Big boss appearance, why no maulvi or Tv channel raises an eyebrow over nonsense made in Lollywood. This issue was primarily indo-pak in theme rather than of ethics and morality. Secondly Maulvi minted money just like Veena for the show. Veena cashed her flesh and the maulvi cashed his religious knowledge, so who’s more pathetic? Have you ever heard of preachers going to Heera mandi for sermons. Do you think Maulvis would go to brothels or that matter any of us for reform. We would only go for one purpose- an implosion.

    I agree that Veena shed croco tears but thats what women do when they have no option left. But a scholar is expected to have higher morals and standards than a whore like Veena. You know once Imran khan organized a charity show for his hospital in Lahore in 90’s. He invited Rekha and some other Indian stars for a variety programme to orchestrate the fund collection. Jamate Islami called for a protest rally. I asked my friend who was a worker of the party for the reasons behind the protest. He said we are upset that why Indian whores are being invited. If Imran wants to have a function, he should look for local bitches as they are aplenty here.

    I hope you get my point .

  36. #36 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 4:30 PM

    Khansahab

    The corruption In Saudi society specially their scholar class has reached dangerous proportions. Its a society which will explode one day- negative or positive remains to be seen. Their maulvis are corrupt in a different way than Pakistani maulvis. The monarch system in SA has virtually destroyed every possibility of progress and all they have is oil money. If an alternate substitute for oil is found, I fear their economies will be more poor than African countries.

  37. #37 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 4:38 PM

    Something Interesting I read today and i would like to share

    Once a bedouin was praying Namaz. He was praying quickly. Hazrat Ali was watching him. When he finished Hazrat Ali asked him to repray and pray slowly. Bedouin prayed slowly. When he finished his prayer Hazrat Ali asked ” which prayer you found better? First or second ?”

    Bedouin replied ” First one, because I prayed the first one with fear of Allah in my mind and I prayed the second one WITH YOUR FEAR IN MY MIND.”

    MATTERS OF HEART ARE NOT SO EASY TO UNDERSTAND.

  38. #38 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 4:54 PM

    Tom,

    Barely anyone watches Pushto or Punjabi movies these days and those who do, they are not educated or accomplished enough to appear on TV or articles or blogs to voice their opinions. We all know about the famous Heera Mandi of Pakistan and it is also obvious that Pakistan is a fairly sexualised society.

    However, much of the outside world has an “Islamic” image of Pakistan because of the emphasis in Islam on physical and spiritual morality. For example, women have to cover themselves.

    So, if a Pakistani woman behaves like that in another country it is bound to invoke the wrath of Pakistanis.

    If you have kids and they are “bud tameez”, you don’t expect them to do “bud tameezi” when they go to other people’s houses. That is because regardless of how they might be in your own house, when you go out to portray a different image of yourself. You can call it hypocrisy or duplicity or whatever, but that is how our society is.

    What Veena did on a major TV programme on a major TV channel in India, she cannot do in Pakistan. That is the key difference. On mainstream Pakistani TV you still can’t dress like that and you can’t behave like that. I am not saying that Pakistan will remain like this forever, but what your TV channels show is a reflection of the mindset of your society. Geo TV and ARY have a larger audience than Punjabi movies do.

    So, there is no question that she saw an opportunity and she grasped it. This whole talk of what happens in Heera Mandi or what happens in Punjabi movies is not significant because we all know about them. The fact of the matter is that Veena is like Rakhi Sawant or Mallika Sherawat of Bollywood, she will do anything to get noticed by hook or by crook.

    What she did was definitely a shocker for Pakistani people because the majority of GEO and ARY viewers don’t watch Punjabi and Pushto movies.

  39. #39 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 5:02 PM

    Tom

    Also, Indian TV has a much wider audience than Pakistani TV so this is another reason why the Mullah community would have been upset by Veena.

    I did not watch Big Boss but I heard from someone that Veena remarked that she has a “beautiful body” in that programme (I couldn’t disagree more) and she made other remarks of that kind.

    Many Pakistani people would not even have known about Veena before watching Big Boss as a lot of them know more about Indian TV and movies than Pakistani, so you can imagine their shock.

    She could have represented herself with some grace and dignity in a foreign country like how Shilpa Shetty did in England (she ended up winning the contest, although I felt there was a lot of drama-baazi with Shilpa too) but you saw her class and her mentality.

    Pakistani girls normally do not go around saying they have beautiful bodies on TV in front of millions of people.

    At least the Mullah community is concerned about patriotism and positive image of Pakistan.

  40. #40 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 5:14 PM

    Tom

    I have a feeling everyone on this blog feels somewhat attracted to Veena Malik except me.

    I mean everyone has tried to associate sexual attraction with her, but I think she is ugly.

    Is there something wrong with me?

    I feel if you and others felt she was unattractive you would not have spoken so firmly in her defence.

  41. #41 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 5:36 PM

    Wasim Akram….

    WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/image/536687.html?object=7;page=1

  42. #42 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 5:41 PM

    Wasim Akram Relishes Life as Cricketer and Commentator

    Denzil Fernandes

    Denzil: Wasim, you have been a regular to Dubai. Do you find any changes?

    Wasim: Oh yes, I have been coming to the UAE from 1984 as a 17 year old and have immensely enjoyed my visits here. This is like my second home and I have seen the huge growth and development especially in Dubai. I love the place and the people very much.

    I have fond memories of the Sharjah cricket stadium also.

    Denzil: Who have been your most influential persons in your cricket career?

    Wasim: Without doubt it has to be former Pakistan cricket captain Imran Khan and my late wife Huma who both were the reasons for my success. They backed me up like anything.

    Denzil: Talking about Pakistan cricket do you think a foreigner should coach them?

    Wasim: I think a foreigner can bring better results than a local coach. With so much of interference it is difficult for a local Pakistani coach to do a proper job. I think a foreigner will be able to get a lot more control, discipline and good results with a Pakistan team.

    The team will do better under a foreign coach.

    Denzil: What is your take on the Pakistan team?

    Wasim: I feel the team is a good and strong one as long as they concentrate on their cricket.

    Denzil: You have a new chief for the Pakistan Cricket Board Zaka Ashraf has taken over from Butt. Your comments please.

    Wasim: Yes, we know that Zaka Ashraf is a hugely successful businessman and banker. One hopes that he will do a good job for Pakistan cricket. I think he should ensure that a well selected cricket committee does the job under his leadership. You don’t have to be a cricketer for the top management as long as you are able to steer people under you for better results. Look at India and Bangladesh where cricket is run successfully even with non cricketers at the top.

    Denzil: You heard about Shoaib Akhtar’s controversial book where he said Sachin Tendulkar was shivering when he faced the Pakistan bowler.

    Wasim: (laughs) Yes, I have heard people shivering on the bed when they have fever but not at the wicket. And especially not Sachin who is a class apart.


    Denzil: Who according to you is the best batsman in the world?

    Wasim: It is very very difficult to say having played for so many years. I would rate Martin Crowe, Sachin Tendulkar and also Sunil Gavaskar whose wicket I would love to take. And, there is also Vivian Richards.


    Denzil: There is too much cricket these days with the shorter version and the longer version. What do you say?

    Wasim: Look, the shorter version is for fun and entertainment and the longer version is the real stuff of cricket. Unless you show your talent in the longer version there is no point talking about the shorter version. A real cricketer has to show his class in the longer version before he gets into the other quicker games where of course there is good money.

    Denzil: How are you enjoying the Indian Premier League (IPL) ?

    Wasim: Oh it is fantastic. I am involved with the Kolkatta Knight Riders (KKR) and we have a great team. We have a fine captain, coach and owner and everyone in the team is great.

    Denzil: You are also a famous cricket expert and commentator. What is the difference as a player and a commentator now?

    Wasim: Do you know that we commentators work more than the players? If the match starts at 10 a.m. we are at the ground at 8 a.m. to make the preparations and even after the match ends say at about 6 p.m. we go off only after 7 p.m. It is a hectic schedule.

    Denzil: Despite being a diabetic you have played brilliant cricket.

    Wasim: Yes, I have been a diabetic for quite a long long time. Diabetes is due to a lethargic lifestyle and I have now controlled my lifestyle and managed also to play cricket alongside.

    It is unfortunate but with proper self control and regular diet and medicines I think you can manage it.

    Denzil: You are the brand ambassador of the Dubai Super Sixes. What are your expectations?

    Wasim: We are now in the second successive year. I played last year but I am far fitter now and will perform much better this year for the team I play for. We had a great tournament last year. Within a short time, I am sure that the Super Sixes are going to be a big international event. I am proud to be associated with the event.

  43. #43 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 5:42 PM

    Khansahab

    She performed in India and Indian public very well knows how “ISLAMIC” pakistani society is. So the question of Image doesnt hold substance here.

    She grasped an opportunity and so did the maulvi. both are opportunists but the question remains, if as you say Heera mandi exists and everybody knows why tv channels dont target that? why lollywood is not given the same treatment? we are living in a modern world and there is no such thing as local or international as far as telecast and watching of events is concerned. If you remember a boy was brutally killed by Rangers in karachi. This event was watched by whole world on utube. So if anything unusual happens anywhere, geography is no longer an issue. The whole world will find about it. The spoiled brat is being watched everywhere so his behavior is subject to scrutiny everywhere. It is not confined to India only. If Rakhi stripped off in Lahore, I dont think a Pundit would lecture her but yes Bal Thackeray would rip off her legs.

    Maulvis enjoy TV coverage plus the paychecks. You talk about class and grace. Have you ever seen a bigger bitch than Paris Hilton. I dont think american priests would preach her over her behaviour even if she crossed any limit. But in pakistan its ok to strip off in lollywood but not bollywood. Secondly, isnt it bizarre that maulvis are focusing on Veena instead of the terrorism, corruption, hypocrisy that exists in Pakistan. So these are the priorities of Maulvis today and yet they havent even figured out how to propose a single solution for moon sighting- laughing stock for the whole world.

    PS: if you think majority Pakistanis dont watch Pushto or Punjabi films, you are in for a surprise. They have a bigger viewership than Urdu movies. urban Pakistan comprises one third of pakistan’s population and rural two third. Literacy rate is less than 20%. Most of the urban population is made of migrants from punjab and KP and they definitely love movies rather than blogs ( coz majority are uneducated). So these movies are popular.

    I dont endorse Veena or for that matter any slut’s exhibition but its ridiculous for a scholar to corner her and question her antics and for a forum to organize such a show because patriotism is the galvanizing force. Sorry to say but TV channels also are interested in jacking up their ratings. I dont rate these geo or peo so highly. These channels have done more harm than good.

  44. #44 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 5:59 PM

    Khansahab

    In response to comment 40

    Iam not defending Veena. Iam critical about the scholar and the channel. Are you defending the maulvi because you find Veena unattractive? or there is some other reason. I would have said the same thing even if firdaus ashiq was in place of veena.

    I would say on a scale of 1 to 10 for an attraction index, i would rate Veena 5.

    i dont think there is anything wrong if you find anyone attractive or unattractive. beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

    As I age, I find that the women I found beautiful had less of an appeal. Its a stimulus that evokes a response from you which attracts or repels you towards the opposite sex. Men have a tendency to flirt and women like to subdue them. Its a game of chess. Thats why one of my all time favorite movies is ” Dangerous Liasons”

  45. #45 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 6:05 PM

    Khansahab

    once I was watching a soap ( i dont remember the title). Girl friend asks her boy friend for proximity. Boy friend refuses and says that they have been together thrice today, hes finished and it has to do with biology. Girl friend replies that u slept with xyz five times a day and u are giving her this crap about biology. I want it now.

    perhaps, this may answer your query about Veena.

  46. #46 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 6:07 PM

    Wasim bhai

    ab ahistaa ahistaa kapde kum karo; Maulvi aur tv channel tayar hae tumhari class lene ke lye.

  47. #47 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 6:17 PM

    Tom

    India has got to know how Islamic Pakistani society is AFTER Veena’s strange antics. Even now if you watch Bollywood movies you will see that most Muslim women are portrayed with good manners, with conservative dressing and moral sense.

    Heera Mandi is very small fish and that is why it is not targeted. Heera Mandi is primarily a prostitute’s market and Big Boss is not a prostitute’s market. Having sex with someone for money or position has been happening since the stone ages but what Veena did is something very new. The other “bitches and sluts” like you mention also got offers from India, Nazia Hassan got offers, Salma Agha got offers but did they do anything like that on screen ?

    What happens behind closed doors is something very different to what happens on screen. It is a poor excuse trying to justify Veena’s behaviour giving reference to prostitution which is not something unique within Pakistan. It happened even in the time when Islam was spreading like wildfire in the Saudi during the Prophet (SAW’s) time and after his death.

    The reason why Heera Mandi receives so much attention that every kid in Pakistan knows about it is because there are few alternatives to it. There are hundreds of Heera Mandis in Western countries and there must be hundreds in India too. That is also a difference between Pakistani society and other societies.

    Rakhi would not be criticised by a Pundit because firstly everyone in Pakistan knows who she is. It is through the Indian lens that many Pakistanis get to know about other Pakistanis. There is a fundamental difference here- if Veena was well known in Pakistan like Meera there would not have been such a reaction.

    Do you remember how low key the reaction was when Meera went to India and performed sex scenes? That is because people knew her. However not many people knew Veena and Veena has USED India to become famous not just in India but also in Pakistan.

    Paris Hilton has a lot more class and grace than Veena and she is a reasonably attractive girl. Paris does not sound like a paindoo when she opens her mouth like Jade Goody of Big Boss in England did (this is the Englishwoman who was accused of racism against Shilpa on Big Boss) or like how Veena does. Paris does not need to do such things to achieve fame or glamour- she is already heiress to a billion dollar empire. If you are talking about her sex tape then that it something common amongst celebs in Western society. If Pakistan is going the “Western celebs” way because of people like Veena, maybe 20 years down the line this sort of thing might be commonplace in Pakistan too and one would not have much reason to judge Veena.

    I disagree totally about Paris Hilton- she might come across as stupid but she is a lot of more educated and classy than Veena and she is also decent looking.

    You are trying to hold American, Indian and Pakistani society to be identical but they are very different. Recently Javed A Khan mentioned about “nanga” culture in the West and he would not have mentioned it if the societies were similar or identical. This is what I am trying to point out that, if Pakistan was India or USA then what Veena would have done would have been more acceptable. I am not so much bothered about her promiscuity or liberal dressing sense, but her general stupidity and playing the victim card in order to get publicity.

    You are concerned about Mullahs focusing on Veena, my brother, corruption, hypocrisy and terrorism is something Mullahs openly discuss in Parliament on a daily basis. The Jamaat e Islami or MMA etc type parties hold daily rallies against such issues. As far as terrorism is concerned you know what their position is- basically the same as Imran’s. No need to go in deep discussion about this. But Veena is something that comes once in a blue moon- why would the media not hype this up?

    I am not defending Mullahs here because you should know me well enough by now to know that I don’t even follow Islam like most people do, so to expect me to be a Mullah sympathiser would be nonsense.

    Why don’t the Mullahs have a democratic right to say what they feel like? If Shoaib Akhtar or Veena have a right to do what they want, why not the Mullahs? Let them say what they want.

    I know Punjabi movies have a bigger fan following than Pakistani Urdu movies but they are becoming increasingly unpopular because more and more Pakistanis are watching English or Indian movies. As far as semi pornographic or mujreys or Heera Mandi material is concerned that is watched for a different reason. Porn of any kind always has a global audience. Some Chinese or Brazilian person might enjoy watching Nargis and Saima doing their semi pornographic dances.

    Indian movies are a hell lot popular than Pakistanis, plus these semi porn movies you are talking about are only watched by men privately- you are already disregarding much of the 50% Pakistani female population.

    You can agree to disagree but my position is that you can’t compare Pakistani society with Paris Hilton and Rakhi Sawant to justify the things Veena Malik does. If Shilpa Shetty can create such a positive image of herself in England, so could have Veena in India. I don’t like Shilpa as an actress but she has shown that you don’t need to be uncouth and classless in order to become well liked. This is a lesson that Shoaib Akhtar and Veena need to learn.

  48. #48 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 6:18 PM

    Tom

    I don’t know whether my views are shaped by Veena’s ugliness but why did you use the word “sex” in the same sentence as her name a few comments ago? That just ruined this day for me.

  49. #49 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 6:19 PM

    Tom

    I didn’t understand this soap example you gave……

  50. #50 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 6:41 PM

    Khansahab

    Sorry for spoiling your day. I had the same feeling when I saw Wasim’s picture.

    Ill respond to your comments a little later- few fish to fry.

    The soap example ..hmmm… Well its biology sir, its not that complicated. you can eat 3 plates of vegetable curry in a day but if you are served mutton biryani may be youll gorge 5-6 plates. I hope this suffices!

  51. #51 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 7:27 PM

    Tom

    LOL at the Wasim Akram remark.

    You mentioned Firdous Ashiq and Veena when mentioning about comparison in looks. If you want to use both of them I don’t think a scale of 1 to 10 would do them justice 😀

    I think the scale should be 1 to 100 and if Firdous is on 0 on that scale, I feel Veena would be somewhere in the mid 40s. Hina Rabbani I think would get a comfortable 70-75 rating here. And of course, by way of comparison, someone like Aishwarya at her peak would score comfortably in the 90s.

  52. #52 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 8:50 PM

    Khansahab

    For the record let me reiterate certain points

    – Veena didnt do anything right. It was disgusting what she did but maulvi and TV channel adopted a more disappointing path. Iam not defending veena but there is a difference between a scholar and a slut. both cant be measured with same yardstick.

    – Pakistani society was very well known to india even before veena’s antics. you had somy ali, komal rizvi, meera performing there. So what Veena did cant be considered an act which changed perception.

    – paris hilton is an educated, sophisticated Veena. Obviously Veena doewsnt have the suaveness of Paris and if paris wasnt an heiress or if she was born in pakistan she would have done the same thing.

    – iam not using prostitution as an example to justify veena’s conduct buty Iam questioning maulvi’s actions when you have mountains of shit right under your nose, you are making a fuss over a trash can but ignoring the shit load.. Lollywood is dependent upon supply of chicks from this market so one cant under estimate status of heera mandi.

    – Mullahs conduct in parliament is totally disappointing. Maulana Fazlur Rehman is known as Maulana Diesel as he sold fuel permits. Infact Pakistani parliament is nothing but a collection of assholes trying to screw each other’s asses. Can you tell me any positive development coming out of this parliament apart from scuffles and loose talk.

    – pakistanis watch a lot of Indian movies, not so much English movies. but my point is why nobody targets the functional arm of Diamond bazaar which is lollywood.

    Anyway, you think maulvi was right and I believe Maulvi was wrong. We both agree that Veena did something pathetic. we agree on one point and disagree on other.

  53. #53 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 8:56 PM

    well Khansahab for a 1-100 scale, Ashiq awan would get -10 points.

    Veena 50, khar 55 and aishkar liya jae 75 ( I have seen her pics w/o make up and she looks horrible).

    IMO, Madhuri was the most good looking actress ever to grace bollywood.

    However, cosmetics have now developed so much that any ordinary woman could be transformed into lady Diana who definitely would be 90 on my scale.

    As poet would say

    Gul ko mahboob hum qiyas kya

    bahut farq nikla jo bass kya

  54. #54 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 9:05 PM

    Very nice scenic pictures pasted on this blog about Pakistan- nothing beats mother nature in beauty.

  55. #55 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 9:12 PM

    Tom

    OK, I see your POV better now, but every person who has a beard and speaks about religion shouldn’t be considered to be a bigot or hypocrite.

    I want to reemphasise these points:

    – What Veena did became more high profile than general Lollywood BS. So, Lollywood vs very-high-profile-disgrace-to-the-country should not be compared. Pakistani society is used to watching nudity and sex in Punjabi movies but not on prime time tv. There is just a huge difference.

    – I disagree that Veena’s acts did not change perception. The general perception Indians have of Muslim women is that they are conservative and religious in dressing and morals. This can be judged by them in a good way or bad way, but that is what they perceive, just like how they would perceive Arab or Afghan women.

    – Paris Hilton is more attractive than Veena in every possible way. Let us not compare two very different people from two very different societies. If Veena was also born in a Western country things could have been different too.

    – Mullahs have disappointed Pakistani public but I mentioned their political activities because you were questioning why they are going after Veena but not economic and political issues. Even the secular Zardari has disappointed Pakistan, not least when he wanted to have unIslamic contact with Sarah Palin.

    – I was saying that Pakistanis are watching MORE English movies nowadays than they used to. Of course now there is more awareness and internet etc is more accessible. So, slowly but surely Lollywood and Punjab movie industry is declining.

    As long as prostitution exists in this world, the Diamond Bazaar will exist. It is just a side effect that the Heera Mandi girls invaded Lollywood because they are the only ones in the country who have no inhibitions showing skin.

    I don’t know that particular Moulvi to know what was in his heart but what Veena has done is definitely wrong. Moulvi is obviously not an attention seeker like Veena, otherwise we would have seen more of him on TV now and would have gotten to know more about him. We know nothing about him but we have just judged him to be a hypocrite, a bigot, someone who probably wants to sleep with the gorgeous Veena but makes her out to be his sister on camera etc. I have no problem with him calling her a sister because of her lack of attractiveness and this is why I have been saying that the other blog members think she is kind of attractive which is why they cannot digest this Moulvi calling her his sister.

  56. #56 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 9:22 PM

    Tom

    My friend, I never liked Madhuri. She always looked like an AMMA. Plus she had big teeth. People say it was all natural and she had a great smile etc, but we are not here to judge what is natural and fake- we are here to judge who looks good and who does not. Everyone does make up and uses beauty techniques to look good on TV, plus there is a lot of airbrushing too. If other actresses have done that a little more than Madhuri but still look strikingly better then credit goes to them.

    Even Madhubala, I can’t understand how anyone could be attracted to her. She was fat, old, needed a hair stylist and had an overbite like Madhuri. It is not about old vs new actresses because I think Saira Banu was good looking- slim, svelte, well shaped features, healthy hair and sex appeal.

    I have seen Aishwarya without make up too- tell me, have you seen Madhuri without make up? I don’t want to put pics here but she looks worse than Aishwarya. Aishwarya is good because when she did look good, she looked stunning.

  57. #57 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 9:26 PM

    Tom

    Yeah, the Gilgit areas are also very scenic. How sad Pakistan was never able to take advantage of these areas for tourism.

    The leadership always focused on $$$ for themselves and not for the country.

  58. #58 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 9:48 PM

    Khansahab

    Well it seems that Maulvi falls in the 5% category which you didnt find bigot ( you mentioned in your last blog that 95% bearded, religious people you met were bigots)

    I can only speak for myself so I do ask you what makes you believe I find Veena attractive? If I find a tableeghi lecturing a bitch and calling her sister with prime time cameras carrying the footage to all parts of the world, I would feel disgusted with that preacher as he is just there to earn money and get attention. There are certain principles to preaching specially Islamic preaching. This was just a prime time programme to jack up the ratings just like shoaib’s book and it did the job as it received lots of attention later. I dont consider religiuos , bearded people as bigots and thats why I debated your theory about religious guys being bigots.

    Indians had hot muslim women as actresses like zeenat aman so how come they consider muslim women covered. Anyway, as I stated in my last comment that we only disagree on one aspect- conduct of Maulvi. At least Iam not jealous of him and I give a damn what transpires between the two. Its not appropriate for scholars to counsel sluts on prime time tv directly and thats my view. These scholars should concentrate on main sources of adultery and other issues affecting muslims.

  59. #59 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 9:51 PM

    The most appropriate thing would have been a decent, religious lady scholar like Farhat Hashmi should have counseled her. That would have definitely cornered Veena.

  60. #60 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 9:56 PM

    Khansahab

    beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. Well we all have different favorites and thats how the world is. I would rate madhuri higher than aishkar lya jae. I dont know about madhu bala shala. ( asare qadeema).

    I have seen one movie of madhuri wo makeup. I dont aish ever acted like that. From whatever exchanges I have with you I know we have different tastes- just like finger prints of all humans being diffferent. The same is the case here, you have different preferences, i have different.

  61. #61 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 10:06 PM

    Tom

    The 95% of bearded bigots that I mentioned were the ones that I know and have come across. That is why I emphasised in my comment that we don’t really know what intentions the Mullah is carrying. You have to be fair to me because if I thought Veena was attractive then I would blame the Mullah for being a bigot. If he was complimenting her in his sermon, that may have been general politeness. They are uneducated and uncouth, he might have been trying to say, “If you are good looking then you need to preserve your beauty” and it may have come across as, “You are sex personified, please dont go around naked and dont let people watch you”.

    A Mullah’s job is to eradicate his version of evil from society so if that means doing it on TV by preaching to a controversial figure then that is what he will do.

    On political TV shows people keep calling each other, “meray bhai”, “meri behen”- the Moulvi might have been using the same technique. In mosques they call women, “sisters” when they are preaching in English and that is just their style of addressing women.

    Zakir Naik is a very respected scholar but he would probably have the same message for Veena.

    Anyway, I am not defending the Mullah community and they have their own issues.

    Yaar, if these Mullahs preach on prime tv what will they gain anyway? People tune in to watch Veena, not the Mullah. Mullah shows have the lowest ratings anyway. Plus why did the TV channel allow this Mullah to preach? The programme was not about the Islamic reaction to Veena’s conduct but about the Pakistani reaction to Veena. And the Mullah was just one brief part of the show- the programme was just an normal talk show, it was not an Islamic show.

  62. #62 by Aatma-hathya on October 16, 2011 - 10:18 PM

    Tom

    Yeah but I just marvel at the fact that I seem to be in the minority here.

    For some reason people who like Madhuri and Madhubala don’t like Aishwarya, Katrina or Kareena. And vice versa.

    I feel there is a pattern.

    People say modern day actress don’t have good features but then, I see a clear overbite on Madhubala and Madhuri so I really don’t understand how they are considered beautiful.

    I think a lot of this is to do with that, old people have this perception that the nose has to be a certain shape and if they see that nose on anyone, they will think that person is beautiful. And when people who grew up in 60s and 70s heard that Madhubala was beautiful, they started living this fantasy. And then Madhuri came and the old people who were still alive told their juniors, “There was once this beauty called Madhubala and this new girl has her nose and her smile”. So from that day Madhuri became the 2nd most beautiful actress after Madhubala and is still believed to be to this day.

    Also Bollywood created such a bang in the 50s, 60s, 70s, people had virtually no other form of entertainment and everything Bollywood could throw at them was just perfect. People were slow, backward, romantic, poetic, traditional and Bollywood was the only thing “happening” in their lives. So whether it was the boring black and white cinema, Mohammad Rafi, pathetic and lethargic dialogue delivery, overweight and middle aged actresses pretending to be Paris Hilton, emphasis on Urdu talaffuz but zero emphasis on facial expression, all this was taken very positively because this brought colour into dull Indo-Pak lives.

    And the legacy of this period is that whoever calls Madhubala and Madhuri ugly is considered to be naive and shallow.

  63. #63 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 10:22 PM

    Khansahab

    Iam quite confident zakir naik wouldnt have committed such folly . He has a huge fan base and although I dont rate him highly, I dont think he would have made such a mistake.

    Yes sir, Maulvi is supposed to eradicate evil and thats what Iam saying that they should focus on all sources of adultery and fahashi. But Islamic principles of preaching dont approve of a man directly lecturing a slut. It could be in form of a jamaat as you say in mosques etc. Secondly, certain acts are not tackled by lecturing like an actress posing on channels.

    The mullah must have been called by the channel, he doesnt have the wherewithal to come on his own.

    Anyway Sir it was a good discussion. You made your points, I made mine. My understanding of gender based issues and issues pertaining to fahashi lead me to believe to discourage such modes of action- having a televised show between a slut and a scholar. Your understanding leads you to approve such mechanisms. As we age we do learn more. Lets see if we can find a better approach to such problems.

  64. #64 by tom on October 16, 2011 - 10:27 PM

    Khansahab

    Its the strength of your views thats important- to me minority or majority is a non issue. you have slightly different views than most of the people and you should stick with them.

    I still remember my english sir said that people used to emulate waheed murad and ask barbers to create a side cut just like he had. Well hes no more. trends come, trends go, people still remember madhubala and madhuri.

  65. #65 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 17, 2011 - 12:46 AM

    khansahab

    Wasim Akram The MA DULL, is trying to Dog Walk …….. Allah nay agar Shakal Surat dee hoti thee tou pata nahee kiya kerta BHKA?

  66. #66 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 17, 2011 - 1:42 AM

    khansahab

    Shayed Abhee nahee, kion kay abhee apka thora sa youth wala taste hai, laikin when you will be 30+ perhaps you would like Madhubala and Madhuri. Both of them were very graceful and both of them had great smiles. Madhuri is from the next generation of Madhu so she can dance better and acts like a CHAMMO.. especially in 1,2,3,……….. mujh ko taray lakay dou ……. mujh ko saaray la kay dou. aur pata nahee kya kya la kay dou.

    Saira Banu was not liked by many during the time when she was at her peak because of her sharp features, it was only in the movie April Fool when she wore a one “biss” Pikini suit and exposed her legs which made a majority of the Indians drool, so much so that Dilip Kukar slipped and fell in the ravine. After that it is history. Btw, I am not wrong in comparing Saira Banu as Boy George’s twin brother. Check out the 3 links:

  67. #67 by Aatma-hathya on October 17, 2011 - 8:31 AM

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 17, 2011 - 11:13 AM

    khansahab

    Kuch tou jhapak hai, kuch tou shabahat hai, kuch to mushabahat hai, koi baat tou hai varna koi bay turkee urraye kion ?

    I think expression alag, alag hain vo iss liyeh hai kay Cultural Difference bhee tou hai na dono bhaiyoun may! 😀

  69. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 17, 2011 - 11:26 AM

    khansahab

    The other day we were talking on this blog about the conditions in Pakistan, political, financial, social and security problems etc. etc., I don’t think anyone has quantified the damage in terms of cost that has caused and halted progress in the country because of the abuse in general. The abuse among women must be beyond comprehension.

    I was reading and found that in Canada alone, only on women abuse it costs the government $6.9 billion per year. This is an advanced country where rules, regulations, facilities etc, have been provided to a larger extent than what we see in Pakistan, beside the population of Pakistan is almost six times more than Canada, so imagine how big the damage must be in Pakistan. The Mai Mukhtaran case, that Asia Bibi case in which Salman Taseer was assassinated ruthlessly and the assailant is treated like a hero, his car – the police car in which he was taken from the police custody to the Court, his supporters and fanatics showered rose petals. Do you see the contrasting difference? I was also reading a report about how much Canadian govt has to spend on each prisoner, could you believe it is CAD85,000 per year to maintain the jail staff and provide facilities for the prisoners and they are not only a burden on the tax payers money, but also a threat to the society.

  70. #70 by Mohammed Munir on October 17, 2011 - 11:39 AM

    Sachin and Shoaib make-up …

    After Shoaib’s recent book where he accused Sachin of being scared and ‘shivering’ of his fearsome bowling, the relations between two great players had deteriorated.

    Nevertheless, Sachin & Shoaib came out openly and clean the bad air between them. Below both are seen together. 😉

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/image/508653.html?search=Sachin+Shoaib

  71. #71 by Aatma-hathya on October 17, 2011 - 1:04 PM

    Munir sahab

    Akhtar and SRT are there but what is Muralitharan doing in the background?

    😀

  72. #72 by Aatma-hathya on October 17, 2011 - 1:45 PM

    Well what is this! Vinay Kumar takes 4 wickets…..

    India clearly looking dominant at home.

  73. #73 by Aatma-hathya on October 17, 2011 - 2:32 PM

    Akmal brothers involved in Afridi’s removal: Haider

    KARACHI: Former Pakistan wicket-keeper Zulqarnain Hadier said Monday that Kamran Akmal and Umer Akmal were involved in the removal of former skipper Shahid Afridi.

    Haider added that the Akmal brothers were involved in politicking in order to secure their place in the Pakistani side.

    The former wicket-keeper was speaking to Geo News and alleged that Waqar Younis would also take part in lobbying against certain players.

    Commenting on Mazhar Majeed the agent at the center of the spot fixing controversy, Haider said Majeed would be seen with several players and he was interested in making him his agent but was stopped by senior players.

  74. #74 by tom on October 17, 2011 - 6:12 PM

    Khansahab

    I havent seen Madhubala movies but I know she hailed from a past era. Isnt comparison of her and madhuri similar to ncomparison of bradman and tendulkar. I mean you are comparing two performers of different eras. Makeup, camera technology, awareness of audience, picture resolution all things drastically changed between the two.

  75. #75 by tom on October 17, 2011 - 6:17 PM

    India look on course to win this series. I must say England dont have the same aura as windies and aussies when they were No 1. They used to win virtually on all tours and looked almost invincible. The English team dont look comfortable against spin. It looks more a case of one eyed king.

  76. #76 by Aatma-hathya on October 17, 2011 - 6:31 PM

    The Hollywood Salman Khan and Katrina Kaif:

    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/17/clooney-keibler-hit-red-carpet

  77. #77 by Aatma-hathya on October 17, 2011 - 6:33 PM

    Angry Akmal threatens to sue Zulqarnain Haider

    LAHORE: Discarded Pakistan wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal has threatened to sue another controversial ‘keeper Zulqarnain Haider as he feels that the latter is maligning his image.

    Haider who has made a return to first class cricket this season for the ZTBL team alleged in an interview on Monday that Kamran and his brothers had formed a lobby in the Pakistan team and were responsible for his ouster and that of many other players including former captain, Shahid Afridi.

    Haider said that Kamran and his brothers had caused lot of damage to the team and were involved in intrigues and politics.

    Kamran responding to Haider’s allegations said he would not comment on the issue but had directed his lawyer to file damages against the former Pakistan wicketkeeper as soon as possible.

    “This time I am not going to leave him and I will be suing him. Either he has to substantiate his allegations or pay up,” Kamran said.

    The senior player insisted that neither he nor his brothers had ever been involved in lobbying in the team and were against no player.

    “If we were so powerful, would I be out of the team at the moment? Umar is also out of the Tests against Sri Lanka. What is he talking about? I have always supported every captain anyone can ask Shahid Afridi about this why should I be against him,” Kamran added.

  78. #78 by Aatma-hathya on October 17, 2011 - 6:36 PM

    Tom

    I agree Madhu and Madhuri are from two different eras, but people almost unanimously agree that they smiled the same way. People also say that Madhuri copied Madhubala. i don’t like either.

  79. #79 by Aatma-hathya on October 17, 2011 - 6:40 PM

    Tom

    On England, I was thinking the same thing. Don’t really know whether to say England are weaker abroad or India is invincible at home. At the moment England, India, Australia and SA are neck to neck I feel. India had a terrible series vs England but probably not wise to write them off completely.

    Anyway England are good enough to win at least a couple of matches on this tour. Tendulkar is probably going to make a return soon and as the ODI openers are not doing well, there is a place for him in the XI.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 17, 2011 - 7:01 PM

    Hahahaha nice try Munir, these are their lookalikes.

  81. #81 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 17, 2011 - 7:15 PM

    khansahab

    Madhubala was a natural beauty
    , wore no make up, no air brushing nothing. She my look a bit plump to you but, in those days, reportedly slim women like today’s models were considered as skinny (huddee chamra) and were not appreciated, therefore they had to put on a little weight which was the demand of that that time. Madhuri also had her own styles, she was a chammO and liked by many. She wasn’t a beauty but, she was very attractive. And, she acted well. She is anytime better than Catwariya Rai or that Wasim Akram’s gay partner.

    Regarding “Smiles” People also say that Shahrukh Khan copies Dilip Kumar and not only him, even during Dilip’s era there was an actor called Rajender Kumar he used to copy Dilip Kumar. There are so many actors and actresses who become famous because of their slight resemblance with the celebrities or they act like them. Raj Kapoor used to copy Charlie Chaplin, and imo Raj Kapoor was a 3rd class actor. Among the sons of Prithivi Raj Kapoor, only Shashi Kapoor was good, Shammi Kapoor was another dummy of Elvis Persely. So, there are a lot of examples. The most common is, Govinda. He is supposed to be a lookalike of 70 million Indians. Every second young guy says I am like Govinda. Is Govinda a bench mark of handsomeness or, good looks or good acting? NOTHING. Regarding Shitty and Ajay DevGand. Imran Khan’s comment to Babar Ghauri is applicable in this case.

    Why do you think those two guys who lookalike Akhtar and Tendulkar got so much attention? Because, in India this is a very common thing.

  82. #82 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 17, 2011 - 7:21 PM

    Regarding Kamran Akmal suing Haider, is this not the umpteenth time we have heard from cricket players, that they will sue so and so? To sue, they need to have some gue in their ass. And, Kamran doesn’t have. We all know that Chota Khatmal faked injuries to support his big bro and was exposed after that, he lost his credibility, he did try the second time too but, nahee chalee.

    Besides, it is an open secret that Kamran had tried to ruin the careers of so many players, Sami, Kaneria, Shahid Afridi and this is just a co-incidence that these bowlers are from Karachi. He is trying to justify that he is not so powerful hence he is out of the team. Yes, you are out of the team puttar because you were involved in betting so much kay tum apnay PYJAMAY KAY BAHER AGAYE THAYY..…….. it became so obvious that everyone wanted to axe you. And, you deserve it. Now, shut your Mouth and keep your frog like tongue and your rabbit like buck teeth inside your THOOTHUN. Mr. Pee Eye Gee has a Thoothun.

  83. #83 by tom on October 17, 2011 - 9:11 PM

    Patriotism Unleashed

    Does anybody have stronger vocal cords than him? Not even lata ji

  84. #84 by tom on October 17, 2011 - 9:13 PM

    Mr Faqmal, keep your shitful mouth shut. You should use Dentonic for your bateesi. You have fu..ed so many matches now keep your stinkin ass out of cricket. we have enough of your BS. Your dad Butt is gone and you should shut up otherwise you would lose your bateesi.

  85. #85 by Mohammed Munir on October 18, 2011 - 4:47 AM

    Akmal is a worthless person whose comments don’t receive any serious attention and Pakistani fans know him and his brother well by now. Secondly, with their father, i-Jazz Butt, being finally kicked out of PCB, the Akmals are much weaker. Nevertheless, I am also sick and tired of this other attention-seeking, chicken-heart, love-deprived and a cry-baby Ch2ya called Haider. All he does is go out to media make a few controvercial statements and tries to get some attention without any real outcome.

    IMO, Kamram Akmal = Zulqarnain Haider

    So, both can go to hell and sue–sue on each other. 😉

  86. #86 by Mohammed Munir on October 18, 2011 - 5:02 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I heard some 100 year old Sardar (Sikh), called Fauja Singh of Canada has finished a marathon. Seems like the guy have broken some sort of record or something by running & finishing the marathon.

    He said running the marathon was like getting married again for him. 😉

  87. #87 by Mohammed Munir on October 18, 2011 - 7:58 AM

    Breaking News …

    Afridi withdraws retirement

    Shahid Afridi has withdrawn his international retirement and says he is available for selection for Pakistan in the limited-over formats. Afridi had announced his retirement from international cricket in May after having been stripped of the ODI captaincy following a public spat with coach Waqar Younis.

    He had, however, said it was a ‘conditional’ retirement, stating that if there were changes in the PCB and the team management, he would consider playing for Pakistan again. Since then, Waqar Younis has quit as coach of the national team, and Ijaz Butt has been replaced as PCB chairman by Zaka Ashraf. Afridi said he had not really retired but had only said he wouldn’t play under the previous (Ijaz Butt-led) board.

    “I didn’t as such retire,” Afridi told reporters in Karachi. “I only said I will not play under the previous board but now people are changed – exactly what I wanted – so I am available for selection for the country.”

    Source: http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/536918.html

  88. #88 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 11:12 AM

    Every now and then the pathetic Bangladesh surprise and upset.

    They have routed Windies for 61.

    Speaking of surprises Misbah’s Pakistan side are making life difficult for the Sri Lankan batsmen.

    Munir sahab

    This man Shahid Afridi, he is not a good bowler and not a good batsman but the only reason he is a KEEP in the team is because of his fielding.

  89. #89 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 11:59 AM

    Sri Lanka have a player called “Lakmal”

    It seems no matter where the Pakistan team is, they can’t be much far away from an Akmal………

  90. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 12:21 PM

    Munir

    You are right about Fauja Singh here is a short video:



    And I agree with you on our comments on Jull Kar Nain Jalebiwala that he too is a chicken and a dubious character.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 12:23 PM

    Afridi GAME KHELO GAME, lafzaon kay hairay phairay may mutt ao, Don’t say I said this and I said that, we all know what you have done in the past. So put your past behind and start a new future which will be the last leg of your cricketing journey.

  92. #92 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 12:25 PM

    khansahab

    That SL Lakmal may bring Luck to SL but Pakistani Khatmals have been sucking out blood and were converting winning matches into a losing one.

  93. #93 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 12:26 PM

    khansahab

    with the exception of Angelo Mathew who is in great form and he is the one who would be a thorn for Pakistan in both departments.

  94. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 12:31 PM

    He said running the marathon was like getting married again for him. 😉 Munir

    Munir, I don’t understand this notion when people say, doing this is better than getting married or, doing that is like getting married, And some women say eating chocolate is better than having sex. All these people should live together on a cuckoo’s island and live happily ever after.

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 12:35 PM

    According to an Indian, Bangladesh has NOW taken their revenge from the West Indies when they beat them on a low score in the 2011 WC. See, I told you in India it is all about revenge.

  96. #96 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 1:35 PM

    No matter what happens Hafeezulkar will keep going for his shots.

    Smashed two boundaries in the last over of the day; most batsmen would not have dared.

  97. #97 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 1:39 PM

    I live in UK for many years and I see lots of a rain……

  98. #98 by Mohammed Munir on October 18, 2011 - 2:51 PM

    LOL @ Hafeezulkar. 😀

  99. #99 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 5:07 PM

    Junaid Aims To Fill Void Left By Amir

    Junaid Khan, the Pakistan left-arm seamer, who picked up his maiden five-wicket haul in international cricket on the first day of the first Test against Sri Lanka in Abu Dhabi, has said he is keen on filling the void left by Mohammad Amir, who hasn’t played for Pakistan since the spot-fixing controversy broke out last year. Junaid, 21, who plays for Abbottabad on Pakistan’s domestic circuit, grabbed 5 for 38 to bowl out Sri Lanka for 197 in conditions favourable for batting and put his team in control.

    I will do my best to fill the void and do as well as my team needs,” Junaid said after the day’s play. I am delighted with my effort but all the bowlers did well, no one man can get a team out.”

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 5:26 PM

    Shuru shuru may sab yehi kehtay hain. Then they fill up the void with money through betting and spot fixing. Whatever you guys may say, I am not impressed by Junaid’s bowling, he needs a lot of effort to mature as a decent bowler, right now if he is getting wickets doesn’t confirm that he is a quality bowler. To me Junaid looks like India’s Ajit Agarkar. Yes, that UKP Aamir was talented, but he will not get any chance.

    I wonder why Taufiq Umar and Imran Farhat are even in the squad? They are hopeless and useless players even if you label them as “Gally Players”

  101. #101 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 5:26 PM

    Shuru shuru may sab yehi kehtay then they fill up the void with money through betting and spot fixing. Whatever you guys may say, I am not impressed by Junaid’s bowling, he needs a lot of effort to mature as a decent bowler, right now if he is getting wickets doesn’t confirm that he is a quality bowler. That UKP Aamir was talented, but he will not get any chance.

    I wonder why Taufiq Umar and Imran Farhat are even in the squad? They are hopeless and useless players even if you label them as “Gally Players”

  102. #102 by tom on October 18, 2011 - 5:54 PM

    I seriously hope junaid doesnt fill the void left by Aamirf- match fixers are not required, honest triers are required.

  103. #103 by tom on October 18, 2011 - 5:57 PM

    Shahid bhai aap kuch bhi boley, aap ne retirement to li thi. phir apna thooka chata aur Butt ki butt ko bosa dya. Chalye raat gaye baat gaye, ab please bewaqufi ki baaten mat karen aur khelen, chahe koi bhi chairman ya coach ya captain ho.

  104. #104 by tom on October 18, 2011 - 5:58 PM

  105. #105 by tom on October 18, 2011 - 6:07 PM

    Khansahab

    Akmal brothers are actually SUCKMAL . That Asshole butt claims to have broken player power, what about these two concubines he bought.

    There is a lot of a butt and lot of a suckmal in my mud bowls. Thats why Iam taking a lot of a room and going to a Australia.

  106. #106 by tom on October 18, 2011 - 6:09 PM

    Team ko jeetney ki taufiq mile gi to tabhi to farhat milegi. Isi lye dono ko rakha hae ( parcheees).

  107. #107 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 8:41 PM

    SALMAN BUTT GRILLED BY JAFFERJEE

    This is an interesting paragraph:

    “Not convinced by Butt’s answers, several times Jafferjee accused him of lying to the court, including the time when Butt could not answer why he was in team-mate Wahab Riaz’s room after midnight with Kamran Akmal and Azhar Majeed, the brother and business partner of Mazhar. Butt also accused the Pakistan team security manager Major Najam of lying in his statement, making fun of the official by calling him “007”.

    So KHATMAL was everywhere and he plays innocent with his baby face and buck teeth. Jitna ooper hai utna ander bhee hai Akmal. In fact all brothers are like that, pukkay pukkay Meesnay!

  108. #108 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 8:47 PM

    What Ijaz Butt says about breaking player power, he meant, Shoaib Akhtar, Shahid Afridi, Younus Khan, Mohammad Yousuf, Razzaq, Kaneria etc., whereas he gave MORE POWER to players like Misbah, Akmals, Farhats, Maliks and Allah ussay Taufiq day kay runZayen banay.

    It seems like the new PCB Chairman Zaka is snoring with the dinosaur called Butt. What is he doing? There is no press conference, there is no interview except for the initial one line that his priority is to F cricket in Pakistan on Zardari’s orders. First he has to deal with the Zarai Tarakiyati Bank scandals and the Sugar Mills scandals and then create new ones in the PCB for which he is hiring his loyal Labrador Jaheer Ub Buss Kar tu total retirement may chala ja.

  109. #109 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 8:59 PM

    Tom

    A Australia is a big country with a lot of a room for you.

    Good a luck.

  110. #110 by tom on October 18, 2011 - 9:20 PM

    Khansahab

    A people complain why I make a captain a Misbah? Why not a afridi. They dont understand butt need a KEEP and Misbah is a tall KEEP.

  111. #111 by tom on October 18, 2011 - 9:22 PM

    Khansahab

    How many international centuries for Paki tendulkar ie Hafeezulkar? 20, 30 or 10

  112. #112 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 9:25 PM

    Tom

    The way Hafeez has been going for the past year or two he might make as many as Tendulkar.

    Sri Lankan bowling is crap and their batting lacks direction. But they have players like Dilshan, Sanga, Jayawerdene and Herath so if Pakistan can beat them convincingly it will be a big achievement for Misbah, Mohsun Khan and Ijaz Butt.

  113. #113 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 9:33 PM

    Shahid Afridi is an asset to Pakistan cricket and he should be back in the team”: Abdul Qadir

    “This is encouraging news that Afridi is back. My opinion is that it is good for cricket. Subject to PCB’s clearance we will look to select Afridi in the future”: Mohammad Alyas, temporary Chief Selector

  114. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 10:05 PM

    Wow even the TEMPER-WORRY cheap SLektor has aired his views in Afridi’s favour, what will he be doing behind his back is yet to be seen.

  115. #115 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 10:08 PM

    khansahab

    Hafeez ko CHANNAY KAY DARAKHT per mutt charha dou Varna wo uss pay churrh ker PHAANSI LAY KER, AATMA HATTYA ker lay ga!

    One year, one season does not reflect consistency. If there was one year in any player’s career that was important, it was Sir Viv Richards but, then our Moulana Mohammad Yousuf broke that record and for him that year is the year of his life.

  116. #116 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 10:16 PM

    Stop being selfish, Mohsin tells Umar Akmal

    KARACHI: Pakistan’s chief selector and interim coach Mohsin Khan has asked middle-order batsman Umar Akmal to “stop being selfish” and work on playing big innings if he wishes to make a successful comeback to the squad.

    Umar was dropped for the Test series against Sri Lanka in the UAE and advised to play in domestic cricket.

    “There is no doubt over his potential or talent, but Umar Akmal has not done enough to remain in the team,” Mohsin was quoted as saying in an interview in Dubai on Monday.

    “Basically, we have given him a message that ‘go and play domestic cricket and learn to play big innings’,” said Mohsin. “He should learn to turn his thirties and forties into hundreds for the team and should stop being selfish.”

    Umar has not scored a Test century since making an impressive debut in 2009. He was dropped for the two Tests in New Zealand last year after a lean patch but was recalled for the Tests in the West Indies where he failed to make much impression.

    Subsequently, he was dropped from the Test squad against Sri Lanka after scoring only one half-century in 2011.

    Mohsin went on to add: “To tell you the truth, I was chief selector when we dropped Umar for the Test series [against Sri Lanka], but even if I had been the coach I would have still dropped him. He would not have found a place in my team.

    “It is not my team or the PCB’s team. It is Pakistan’s team and those who are selected must justify themselves no matter how good they are.”—Agencies

  117. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 18, 2011 - 10:23 PM

    khansahab

    The above news item from DAWN in which Mohsin Khan has asked Umar Akmal to stop being selfish. Don’t you remember we have been saying this for more than a year i.e., when he played in New Zealand and Australia? We have been saying on this blog and even before that SHOAIB MALIK is a MEESNA, A DOG IN HE MANGER, na khaidenge, na khaiday denge sort of person.

    I don’t understand how come these so-called senior players with so much knowledge of cricket and what not, cannot see these things and straightaway give a nip in the bud rather than wait till it becomes a big problem?

    Those who spoiled Umar Akmal are not just his BHAIYYA but the main culprits are, RAMIZ RAJA, WASIM AKRAM AND WAQAR YOUNUS, they used to praise every single ball he played, fielded and left no stone unturned making a celebrity and in showering praises and accolades. I can’t remember Ramiz Raja’s exact words but, he used to praise him by mentioning his TENDER AGE all the time. khansahab if you remember, please do write it here. Thanks

  118. #118 by Aatma-hathya on October 18, 2011 - 10:48 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Ramiz used various adjectives to describe U Akmal- I remember when he said that he is very exciting and a superb young talent etc and he also said U Akmal is glorious to watch.

    Waqar also praised him excessively and said, “you youngsta beauty”.

    They did not curb the insane praise after Umar allegedly faked injury in mysterious circumstances when most people believed him to be faking injury. It was like holding the team to ransom because at that time he was the most in-form player in the team.

    Inti Alam and Qadir said that he can be the next Viv Richards.

    What a coincidence that today you have mentioned this and today I was thinking about Virat Kohli and how positive his ODI career has been so far. Today Jonty Rhodes said that Kohli might match Tendulkar’s records if he keeps playing like this. It is surely excessive praise because Kohli has not played in many Test matches yet, but it is still a sign of great potential.

    In India there is too much focus on SRT and consequently less focus on other players, but if you look at the case of Kohli vs U Akmal, Kohli has received less than half the praise from Indians compared to what U Akmal has received from Pakistanis, but Kohli has shown much more potential than U Akmal. Kohli looks like a complete batsman whereas U Akmal definitely has problems with temperament.

  119. #119 by Ali Ahad on October 19, 2011 - 1:44 AM

    I was just watching the highlights and heard Burewala express comentating…now what the F*** is this thought he quit coaching because he has some medical problems and he can’t continue. Now this is what called sarapay chut***pay. Can some one ask Waqqa that what sort medical problems he is having that he cannot continue as a coach but can work as an comentator whenever Pakistan is playing a series.

  120. #120 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 19, 2011 - 5:01 AM

    khansahab

    You youngsta beauty was his comments. Yeah, what an idiot Waqar is but, the irony is Ramiz was almost head over heels for Umar Akmal and his age, he used to say just see this 17 year old bubbling “tay-lent” he is so full of A-nergy and so pleasant to watch when he is batting. Ramiz has this habit of slanting his vowels, taylent, aiksaylent, aikchooly, etc., watch it next time he is commentating. And, Zaheer Abbas while commentating was saying, “The Wasim Bari, The Hanif Mohammad” I have forgotten some of his hilarious bloopers. That is why we have an exclusive page on Waqar’s commentary on this blog.

    Ali Ahad, Waqqa knew his position as a coach is vulnerable because Shahid Afridi exposed him and sooner or later when the new Chairman is appointed he would have been out, so he realized it is better to leave -though it be a silly excuse- by some excuse. In today’s DAWN there is a special article on Waqar’s managerial skills and I have copied one of the excerpts from it, which is here: “WAQAR reported falling out with Shahid Afridi was a minus mark for both men but, on the plus side of the ledger he forged a solid working relationship with Misbah as well as mentoring the current crop of fast bowlers”.

    What a load of COW DUNG? I
    t is such a normal thing that when you have a disagreement with the captain who is not just any captain but a high-flying, flamboyant captain, who has a fan fare of millions and then you take ANOTHER PANGA with the new captain (Misbah) then everyone would say that Waqar has problems, in order to cover the Afridi problem he tried to divert his full attention towards Misbah even when he did not like it, he accepted him. Secondly, accept tou kerna thaa because both are GIRAYEEN. A girayeen never lets down the other unless you are Salman Butt and it is a matter of survival of the fittest.

  121. #121 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 19, 2011 - 6:41 AM

    WE HAVE A NEW THREAD PLEASE WRITE OVER THERE, THANK YOU.

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