Since Mr. 10% appointed his quarter as the Chairman of the PCB, the so-called “Chuwannee” seems to have been in total silence and, there has been a lot of speculation among the cricketing circles that he is not speaking or saying anything about cricket, whereas we have been reading other stuff published by the media about his past achievements as the Chairman of ZT Bank of Pakistan and as, Chairman of the Sugar Mills and the alleged court cases against him and, he seems to be drowned neck deep in that rubble.  So, it makes one wonder how is he going to get out of that rubble and sort out the piles of  problems which Mr. Ijaz Butt has excreted during his tenure. Questions are being raised whether he is the right man for this tough job?

Today, Mr. two and a half percent has spoken about cricket and he picked up the name of Shahid Afridi by saying: “In my view Afridi is a good one-day player but I will discuss with the experts and might change my view.”   First of all calling your best ODI player as a good player is in itself an understatement and then to top it up, he wants to get views and opinions on Afridi from others and THEN HE MAY CHANGE HIS VIEWS?  Btw, who are those others? Afridi has a long list of enemies and haters and they all have an agenda against him. So, whatever they will say would be a biased, planned and an orchestrated scheme to keep Afridi away, at least from the captaincy role.  If the Chairman is going to ask every lulloo, Punjoo, Chotoo then, what is he? The Chairman of the PCB?  A rubber stamp CEO of the Zarai Taraqiyati Bank? Or, a Sugar Mill ka Chaudhry? Ya Zardari ka Tuttoo?

This is what happens when you appoint a SIFARISHI TUTTOO, he has no cricketing background or no administrative capabilities then obviously he will rely on others, in other words he is a DUMMY who has no spine of his own, he cannot stand up like a MAN and take decisions on his own.  Ijaz Butt was on another extreme and a total destroyer of the game of cricket domestically as well as internationally.  And, “This Man”  “Dhayee Percent” is proving to be another spineless, gutless rubber stamp CEO of the PCB.

Another ambiguity is about his tenure, which is uncertain because the ICC wants to make changes in the appointment of the chiefs of the cricketing boards and the deadline is 2013 whereas, in Pakistan it is always the mother of all the uncertainty that rules.  No one knows what is happening next? The country has gone to dogs and the leaders are shameless, brazen and unblushing (dheet) and the irony is they have looted the country with both hands and yet they think they are loyal to the country and the uneducated, uncouth masses believe in them and they keep electing them back into power.  The fate of Pakistan is sealed and it is only a matter of time that things would be more obvious and more visible.

Allama Iqbal is Pakistan’s national poet and he died much before the creation of Pakistan and at that time it was United India or, they used to call it Hindustan.  Iqbal’s poetry at that time may not have been understood by many but, it is more clear than before”

Na Samjho gay tou mitt jao gay, aye Hindustan walo

Tumharee Daastaan tak bhee na hogi Daastano may.

How ironic that this is happening during our times and most of us are still not aware of it.  May God Bless Pakistan.

  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 28, 2011 - 3:06 PM

    Please leave your comments on this new thread. Thanks

  2. #2 by tom on October 28, 2011 - 3:41 PM

    A khansahab

    With reference to ur comment on previous blog about afridi returning to test ckt, you should remember he was the captain of the last test plated by him. He retired after that match from test cricket citing his incompatibility with the longer version of the game. The onus is on afridi to provide his services for test cricket. Apparently afridi doesnt seem interested in test cricket and his priorities are shorter versions of the game specially the 2 WCs- 2013, 2015. IMO, he made the right decision as his style of play is more oriented towards shorter formats of the game. Whether he has the ability or not, he doesnt seem motivated for test cricket.

    Zakat Ashraf (2.5% Zakat hmm..) is being too candid. Either he’s playing possum or he’s stupid and has little knowledge of cricket. I think its more a case of the latter. He has little knowledge of the game and tried to play safe by citing other players. He should have politely declined this offer but in pakistan such people are called fools. Afridi maskaa polished this guy yesterday by calling him impressive and having good management skills. Well, thats what happens when CH2s get together. Nice demonstration as far as efficiency is concerned Mr Zakat.

    And some final thoughts for our Youngsta beauty Narghus !

    They all are young and beautiful

    Reema ” Oh gee mein sweeeet 16″

    Saima ” Hunn te main abhi jawaaan hun, abhi thumke lagane do”

    please dont call these lollywood items as oldies; they are SADA BAHAR.

  3. #3 by tom on October 28, 2011 - 3:44 PM


    Sri lanka looking good- a lead of 200 would make for intertesting final day provided SL dont lose early wkts.

  4. #4 by tom on October 28, 2011 - 3:46 PM

    Cricinfo provides a good perspective on England’s performance in India and comparison btw former no1s and england

  5. #5 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 6:25 PM


    This time SL may surprise Pakistan. They are using a cautious approach and I feel they will want to bat the entire day tomorrow. This would mean that If they manage to score 280 odd tomorrow, Pakistan have 200+ to chase on the final day.

    The problem Misbah will have is that in that scenario he will have to chase and he can’t play to draw the match. As he bats at no 5 or no 6, the onus will be on him to take Pakistan to victory, something he has never done in his dull career so far.

    Either that happens or Pakistan get them out for less than 300 and chase easily.

    I don’t see this weak and demoralised SL team tearing the bowling attack into pieces. This is the worst Sri Lankan team since early 90’s. Don’t you agree? Two of the the three best batsmen (Jayawerdene and Dilshan) are out of form, the only decent bowler (Herath) is out of form and the rest of the team is mediocre.

    So I agree with you that either Sri Lanka post a lead of 200 odd testing Pakistan’s temperament or they will get out for less than 250-300 and Pakistan will need to experience a collapse in order to lose the match. Pakistan still in the driving seat at the end of day 3 but need to contain this batting pair from scoring freely.

    Due to Misbah’s negative approach, the match is still likely to be a draw.

  6. #6 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 6:33 PM


    When Afridi chose to retire from Tests, I criticised his decision heavily on this blog. The leadership needs to persuade him to play Test cricket again because as we saw in the WC, he is a morale boosting force in the team and the team looks inspired whenever he is playing.

    Apart from Imran Khan I have seen no other former cricketer or PCB official requesting Afridi to take back his Test retirement.

    I am not optimistic about his batting performance in Tests and all I can say is that, he should either be played as an opener, or he should be played much lower down the order. He should only be used in the middle order if the team needs quick runs, but he should not have a long term spot there.

    An as opener he can be devastating if he scores 25 runs quickly and damages the bowlers’ confidence. He will probably be more effective in Tests because in ODi’s and T20 the bowling team takes it for granted that someone will try and bat aggressively, but in Tests it can be absolutely devastating if the bowling team concedes 50-60 runs in the first 10 overs.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 28, 2011 - 7:17 PM

    I am agree with khansahab on Afridi opening for test or any format, we have discussed this before on this blog many, many times. But, no one pays any attention. Never mind, we are not the PCB, the Selectors or Pra Waqar who pokes his nose in team selection and batting order.

    I like the word, DULL CAREER in relation to Misbah.

  8. #8 by tom on October 28, 2011 - 7:58 PM

    A khansahab

    good analysis of the test match- fascvinating 2 days left.

    i disagree with afridi as an opener. He will struggle on green pitches ( just like england had for india) . Sehwag flopped on the england pitches although he murders bowling in tests. The difference btw afridi and say sehwag or gilly is that they all are attackers but the latter two capitalised on starts. Afridi doesnt look to me a double century maker. it makes more sense to invest in a proper opener rather than experiment with afridi knowing the limitations of such an approach. Ultimately batting is the achilles heel of pakistan and it would be a negative step to play such a player, instead search for openers should continue.

    Afridi makes his own deciyen. he decyed to retire and then he decyed to make a comeback. Perhaps he should have been counselled by ex players but you know such cultures dont exist. Mind you, he still needs counselling in shorter formats as his batting was poor in WC although he excelled as a bowler. Anyway, lets hope he gets included in the ODI squad because Zakat’s statement was quite weird- seemed to support yet looked counter productive for afridi.

  9. #9 by tom on October 28, 2011 - 8:02 PM

    A khansahab

    i agree its a poor SL attack. But The pitch is now playing dodgy ( acc to cricinfo report). In such instances a 150-200 chase becomes a nightmare. It would be a double nightmare for missbbaaaah as he knows his captaincy is not secure. If you notice dilshan got 3 wkts. so you dont champiuon bowlers against pakistan in 4th innings.

  10. #10 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 28, 2011 - 9:31 PM

    Afridi’s average as an opener in ODI’s is better than his own average when he plays down the order. Playing him in death overs is useless, he comes and he goes, also Razzaq used to play in two modes, slow mode i,e., blocking every ball and then hitting out every ball. Taking risk with Afridi to open is a gamble but, it works at least 5 out of 10 times but, the problem with Pakistani selectors is if he fails twice, they throw him down the order, during Inzamam days they used to drop him straightaway like, they did in the 2004 series when India came to Pakistan after a big gap and the Karachi test was won by them (Afridi did not play in that match, Malak Saab, Moin Khan and Rana Nayee lost that match for Pak) Afridi played the second and scored 80 odd runs but, in two innings he scored below 20 and was dropped, the last test at Lahore was won by them. I am talking about that tour in which Sehwag scored 308 and Suck-laiN Mustak gave away 200 plus runs and Sehwag was also dropped 5 times, Allah unko Taufiq Ata Farmai dropped him twice in slips.

    In test matches his average is better than most players including Malak the Zen Mureed, Kamran the fraudia, Butt the Suttay Baaz etc. etc. Afridi has simply made up his mind that he cannot play 5 days cricket and if that is your bent of mind then no one can change it. The fact is he can be equally better in test matches. He scored in tests not only in India, but in WI, SA, Australia, I am not sure about England. But, for me that is good enough.

  11. #11 by tom on October 28, 2011 - 9:56 PM

    Afridi never played tests in SA. he only played one test in australia in sydney where he scored 60 runs in 2 innings. his record must be definitely better than these assholes because these are parchees but ironically in pakistan players are selected according to paki criteria not international standards. Thats why malik was an opener in paki team. Test openers must have 40+ averages but the pathetic state of pakistani cricket results in mediocrites as openers. Still afridi cannot be considered a technically correct test opener, odis are a diffferent proposition.

    I mentioned afridi himself resigned from test cricket so its useless to consider him for that format and I personally feel he’s done the right thing. Maybe a future saeed anwar would be unearthed by trial and error; who knows.

    Butts, Suckmals, milks, these are all trash. There inclusion shows the hollowness of paki cricket structure. how sad there are no miandads,anwars, inzys in pkai team. moyo looks unlikely to be selected and yonis is on verge of retiring. very sad!

    Future of test ckt in pakistan specially vis a vis batting looks very bad- dull career Shitbaaah is posing himself as mainstay of paki batting. Huun, lets see how he performs agaainst SL and england.

  12. #12 by tom on October 28, 2011 - 10:04 PM

    I would say that Afridi has played wonderful cricket but I still feel he has slightly under achieved specially as a batsman. I remember his performance in 96 B&H series where he was man of the finals. It was suggested that he will perform as a quality all rounder in both formats. Well he has done well but could have definitely improved.

    I wpuld compare him talent wise with steve waugh. He burst on the international scene as an ODI all rounder and helped australia win the 87 WC. He initially struggled in tests and was dropped but later due to his immense mental toughness ( something which afridi needs to work on) transformed himself into a world class all rounder in both formats. later due to injuries, he quit bowling but became a top notch batsman. I feel Afridi could have almost achieved the same but thats not the case.

    Anyway, still afridi is playing and I hope he concentrates on performance rather than spoon stuff and tries to finish his career on a high!

  13. #13 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 10:05 PM


    To expect someone to perform consistently in all three departments (batting, bowling, fielding) is unrealistic. Afridi is a good bowler and still amongst the better fielders. I think Kallis is the only other cricketer I know who can perform in all three departments.

    He bowls and fields well consistently and only for this reason he should be in the Test team. His utility to the team is much greater than Taufeeq, Misbah, Farhat, Malik, Shafiq and other mediocre players.

    Why does Asad Shafiq find it so difficult to score beyond 50-60?

  14. #14 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 10:16 PM


    Afridi’s lack of mental strength is plainly due to stupidity. He is like an ordinary guy you see on the streets of Karachi, except that he has a lot of fame, wealth and of course, talent. But he is still a chu*iya, and you can see that reflecting in his body language and interviews. He will say something wise and commendable one day but then he will make stupid comments the next day. He has no personality of his own and this is due to lack of education.

    Despite the talent and popularity, deep down he is an uneducated person.

    This is partially the cause of his lack of mental strength and the other is his pig headedness and akhroatism.

    Whatever the match situation he plays for the crowd and that is his biggest loyalty, bigger than the prospect of the team winning. You just have to accept the good with the bad and for 3-4 years I have lost hope with his batting. When he scores it is a bonus, otherwise judge him for his bowling, fielding and the way he inspires others.

  15. #15 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 10:19 PM


    Also, thankfully Afridi’s lack of mental strength is only reflected in batting and not in bowling and fielding. He is not like Shoaib Akhtar who could usually never control himself when he was playing against India and Australia and you can see his worst performances are against them.

    A batsman’s innings will often not lose you a match unless you are stuck in a situation like Misbah in the WC semi final, but one bad over from a bowler can definitely lose a match and I have more memories of Akhtar bowling bad spells than I have of Akhtar tearing apart the opposition batting.

  16. #16 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 10:22 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Ch Zaka Ashraf has paindoo eyes, moustache and hairstyle.

    Basically a paindoo face.

    This is just a reflection of his appearance and not of his calibre, although what we have seen so far is not promising.

  17. #17 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 10:26 PM


    Do you agree that the reason Younis Khan’s average is only 30 odd in ODI’s is due to him batting at no 3 most of his career?

    Playing the role of makeshift opener in many matches?

    How strange that a batsman who usually bats below no 4 in domestic cricket was made to bat at no 3 consistently, and he could never really look suited to that position.

    It was none other than IMRAN KHAN’s recommendation that Younis should bat at no 3. This is not to boast or gloat, but I was always against this strategy.

    Younis is a very talented player but his job was not to play as a makeshift opener.

    They could have used a different batsman at that spot who could have averaged a lot more- similarly Younis may have averaged in the late 50s in Tests if they had let him bat in his natural position.

  18. #18 by tom on October 28, 2011 - 10:42 PM

    A khansahab

    bowling in odi and test are two completely different propositions. Look at saeed ajmal- compare his bowling in odi and tests , youll get my point. afridi would be less potent in tests than in odis. Its something which afridi realizes. Do you think he can get a 10er in a test? very unlikely.

    I disagree that playing for the crowd is the best thing. the best thing is to play for your country and your team . Entertainers are enjoyable but ultimately performers are the key elements in a set up.

    Khansahab, I want you to answer a serious question. Why in pakistan every issue is solved on a stop gap, ad hoc basis. make shift players are asked to do out of ordinary jobs ( malik an opener), incompetent people are asked to govern because of no option syndrome. I mean its a mindset which leads one to believe that perfect solutions are not possible so look for some stop gap measure. you have zakats, butts as chairmen and its just not cricket but the entire set up and suprisingly public accepts it. isnt this a case of inferiority; other societies manage to solve problems yet in pakistan its the same everywhere- nawaz, zardari, altaf, imran ,mush in politics and milks, suckmals in cricket. I feel now it is acknowledged and accepted as a divine fact that things will be like that so dont challenge them- cricket, politics, governance etc. So we feel that proper batsmen are no longer manufactured, so may be afridi as an opener.

  19. #19 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 10:45 PM


    The reason why there are no legendary players in Pakistan any more is because you become great if you either receive the best training (Australia, England, South Africa)or if you are passionate, patriotic and hardworking (great subcontinental players).

    Talent is natural and everyone has talent but it takes an “X” factor to take this talent through. It was this X factor that made Zulqernain Haider frustrate England bowlers in a match where Pakistani batsmen looked helpless and this X factor that made Fawad Alam score 168 in his debut Test.

    Pakistani players lack the X factor these days- they lack passion, patriotism and hard working ethic. This is because the legacy of people like Zardari and Sharifs is that, everyone in the country thinks about making money without putting the work in. That is why team selection is not on merit but on politics, teams have groupings, players realise that selection will be ensured if they maintain a healthy average which means they play slowly and don’t want to accelerate in case they get out.

    I laugh at the fact that, those Pakistanis who like to shout “Pakistan Zindabad” the most are the ones who are desperate to work in other countries and will get out of Pakistan by hook or by crook.

    If I could make a cricket team I would include Z Haider and Fawad because I saw the X factor in them, the drive to do something extraordinary which people wouldn’t expect from them. If you can perform once you can perform again- you just need to keep mind over matter.

    Mohammad Hafeez is also very talented- he tries to copy Tendulkar instead of developing his own style and still manages to score runs. It is extremely difficult to adopt a style and forgo your personal style. He can field, he can bowl- just imagine what this guy is capable of if he gets hold of the X factor and develops his own batting style.

  20. #20 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 10:50 PM


    I never said it is good that Afridi plays for the crowd. I am against it but you just need to watch his interviews on talk shows and people just tell him that women and kids leave everything they are doing and come in front of the TV when Afridi is batting. So, a guy who is preached this all the time can get swayed by audience loyalty. I am not justifying this batting approach, it is sad he loses his mind but is it because of this crazy batting he is loved so much.

  21. #21 by Aatma-hathya on October 28, 2011 - 11:15 PM


    Sometimes people can’t see alternatives so a stop gap arrangement is used. Pakistan is a relatively new country and it has always been a poor country. The people who live in this country are very idealistic and emotional and they want a quick solution to their worries.

    Shoaib Malik was not bad as an opener or as a no 3 batsman- his performance deteriorated when he was made captain and then he could do nothing right. He did not enjoy the confidence of the team- Afridi, Yousuf, Younis, Akhtar, all of them disliked his captaincy.

    It is easy to understand why ad hoc PCB Chairmen are used- cricket is the most loved sport and the President wants to have a say in its running. Cricket is used for politics and diplomacy and cricket is a huge catalyst for Indo-Pak relations. So it is a political tool and therefore the President wants control of it.

    You can see the influence of cricket- that a person with no political background or political education who became famous for playing cricket might become the next PM of Pakistan. So, no wonder the head of the state wants to control this game in Pakistan.

    I am not saying this is right, but that is what happens.

    As for Musharraf, I can detect from your previous comments too that you dislike him, but a stop gap Musharraf probably saved Pakistan from utter bankruptcy due to the poor economic performance of the Sharif government.

    I used to have debates with Sagaat about democracy vs dictatorship in a society like Pakistan, and I used to argue that this kind of democracy is worse than dictatorship where parties are run like personal fiefdoms. He used to say that, the problems would be eradicated if democracy is allowed to run its course, but I didn’t understand how this could happen if the successor of Bhutto is Zardari, and the successor of Sharif would be his son or nephew.

    This political system is a joke and it is nothing like democracy. Musharraf was a very democratic leader actually, because of his attitude towards religious extremism, women, minorities, education, media etc.

    You are speaking about manufacturing proper batsmen, but how many proper batsmen has Pakistan produced? From my time, Saeed Anwar had too many technical problems and he was weak against good bowling, Inzamam was the same, Yousuf averages less than 30 against the 3 best bowling sides of his era…..etc. I don’t think Pakistan has produced many.

    Maliks and Akmals and the like are just a product of team politics and grouping- I mean, how could one person believe that Kamran Akmal was kept in the team for 3-4 years when he was constantly dropping catches because of merit?

    Maybe we are looking at the Pakistan team superficially because Mazhar Majeed claims most of them are into fixing? Ijaz Ahmed, Salim Malik, Wasim Akram etc are still very close to the cricket set up and I don’t think that they convey the following message to their juniors, that, “Uh, we did wrong and you guys should refrain from this”.

    Plus, Inti Alams, Yawar Saeeds, Zakir Khans etc have also spent a lot of time around these players and must surely know more than meets the eye.

    So how big is this nefarious enterprise and who is involved?

    My friend, if anything is stop gap it is probably honest cricket by Pakistan. Otherwise match fixing and politics seems to be the normal modus operandi for these people and they probably only play honestly when the ICC’s Anti Corruption Unit is close by or when the global media is glaring at Pakistani cricketers suspiciously.

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 3:19 AM

    Strange that I remember (may be wrongly) that Afridi scored a quickfire 70+ runs when Mohammad Yousuf scored a century against SA in SA, may be it wasn’t a test match but an ODI? Anyways, his test batting average is 35 whereas his ODI average is below 22. When he used to open the innings in ODI’s it was around 24 and now it has deteriorated further because of playing down the order.

    As far as his attitude towards the game, it is very nonchalant about the situation of the game, he is so unconcerned when batting that he hardly cares about the team position, he is only concerned about hitting sixes and fours, mainly sixes and that is why he gets out easily. Bowlers all over the world have understood his strategy and they have changed theirs as well by bowling a slower ball or slightly outside the off-stump where he cannot reach and miscues his shots or throw away his wicket by trying to hit a straighter one over the bowlers head. In other words his akhroat brain never works to understand a bowler’s strategy and that is why he is unsuccessful, whenever he scores, it is just his DAY. While opening the innings there are more chances of him scoring more runs because of the field restrictions and if he uses 1/ 100th of his akhroat brain he can score 40-60 runs easily. But that is not AFRIDISH…….

  23. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 3:46 AM

    The main reason Pakistan is lacking behind other countries in almost every department despite having so much talent (in sports) natural resources are in abundance and yet they are behind countries like Korea, China, Japan etc., is because of lack of education. Plus there is an attitude to adopt ignorance and consider as a blessing. On one of my trips to Pakistan in the Northern Areas I read the following comment on the back of a truck:

    Aqal hai tou RONA -E- RONA
    Aqal nai tou MOUJA-E-MOUJAAN

    I have come across so many people among the common men who are like that, and whenever you ask them a question ….. why don’t you do this or do that?….. the most common reply is: Saab Jee, hamari kismet may kahan? Then I have to give them a lecture on effort and kismet.

    Once I was going from Islamabad to Rawalpindi, on one of the sides of a road on a big ground, I saw a lot of tents and I asked the driver what is happening here? He said, “saab ji wo tableegh walay hain,they are having an IJTEMA.” I asked him, have you ever been on a tableegh trip? He said, Nai jee hamari kismet aisee kahaan? Yae tou kismet walaon aur Naseeb walaon ko Allah toufeeq deta hai. I was very shocked at his ignorance and at his way of thinking. When we came back after the trip, I sat down and talked to him and told him that: YOU are a better person than those Tableeghi Mullah’s because, you are working hard for your wife and kids and that is because you love them and Allah loves those who loves his fellow human beings.

    Whereas, these Tableeghi Mullah’s… they are escaping from responsibilities, they stay away from their homes for months and months and trust me this is nothing but BIG BOYS OUTING, its a kinda picnic for them going from place to place eating free food and enjoy chit chatting and what exactly are they doing? They are saying prayers in congregation, sometimes talking about Hadith, Sunnah and do Zikr but, rest of the time chit chatting and having fun. If you know your religion well, not only ALLAH but also the RASOOL ALLAH also said, your first responsibility is your own family and then your neighbour and you must take care of them. So why go from Karachi to Khyber or from Torkhum to Lahore and leave your wife and children on ALLAH TAWAKUL? It is against the teachings of Islam. There is a very famous Hadith, Trust in God but, tie your Camel. Yes, trust in Allah but, don’t leave your wife and children at the mercy of someone else. You are the head of your family, it is your responsibility to provide them food and shelter and to be a part of the family.

    Anyways, this is such a topic where the discussions will never end. In my view, education is the key. There must be self-awareness and with self awareness comes every other thing i.e., you understand the religion better then you don’t follow the Mullah blindly you use your intellect and the help of others knowledge and experience whereas the uneducated man is deliberately kept away from intellect and knowledge, the Chaudhry’s, Waderay and Sardars keep them like slaves and wants their future generations to be slave forever. Until and unless you get rid of feudalism and spread more education this exploitation will continue forever.

  24. #24 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 1:25 PM

    See I told you so (the cliche) that Taufiq Umar after making the 100 got a licence to kill and in the second test he proved by scoring one and two or whatever insignificant score he made. This is the psyche of the current Pakistani players, just after making a ton they are flying a pie in the sky. Anyways, right now it is one run to score i.e., to win this test match and this will be a BIG FEATHER IN MISSY BABA’S GHARARA.

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 1:35 PM

    Now, Waqar is saying: “He was not happy with the PCB policies.” Why didn’t he say so when he was the coach? The cat took his tongue? Ya moo may Dahee Jum gaya thaa? Gutless, spineless people.

    Remember Mohsina Begum used to be straightforward on TV shows and the moment she was appointed as the chief selector she went back in to her shell ………….. sub salay aisay hee hain,

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 1:42 PM


    On your comments about the looks of Dhayee Fee Sud Zakat, the correct word is CHAAP…. that chaap is so typical that seldom changes among their men folks, perhaps it can be taken away from the other gender and they are more prone to be honed, refined and you can even add finesse in some cases, like Amir Khusroo did and she responded:

    Chaap Tilak Sab Cheeni Ray Mo Say Naina Milayee Kay …………… another one

    Apnay hee rung may rung leena mo say naina milayee kay…

  27. #27 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 1:58 PM

    Congrats to missy baba ( ahem..) Dada for another victory. Ooper wala meherbaan to gadha phelwaan

  28. #28 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 2:21 PM

    A Khansahab

    I agree public loves afridi. If he vcould have harnessed his potential he would have achieved more specially in batting, but its also the board’s fault.

    Stop gap measures are implemented in times of emergency and only for a short period. In pakistan it always remains status quo. People are so disillusioned that they have lost faith in democracy and look for a Messiah- dictator or a revolutionary like Imran. i dislike all pakistani politicians even Imran who is untested because I know he wont deliver and will also fall in the booby trap. I was very happy when mush came but later when he messed with Jude badkaar, the carnage in red mosque and finally NRO he lost his respect and ultimately his job. Inspite of people having high hopes in him, my reading is if zardari offers him an olive branch, he’ll ready shake hands. But it wont happen coz Mush has now nothing to offer. pakistan has to look for new leaders- not these tried and tested failures. Having said that, this is a slogan which may be exploited by imran.

    Education and feudalism are to be blamed and so are the parties. Democracry is not a flawed ideology so to look for alternatives apart from it is not a sensible approach. Its just like a patient who doesnt follow dietary precautrions and questions efficacy of successful drugs. His well wishers should focus on changing his habits else no medicine will work. Same is case of pakistani politics.

    We tend to blame parties and democracy for the political mess but we dont consider the third entity- public. public also contributes to the mess. look what happened in punjab yesterday. Mians organised a go zardari rally and paindoos came from all over punjab and started dancing like bacha jamuras. Yes, go zardari but come nawaz, no, no way. Things dont stop here coz tomorrow MQM will take out a rally in support of mr 10% and surprise surprise Sindh govt has lifted bans on rallies for 2 days. This is BS. What makes these rallies successful- public. They primarily vote on ethnic lines and then religious lines. How many punjabis can win in rural sind, how many sindhis in KP. Why votes are not given to honest people on merit, why ethnicity governs electorate.This mindset always lands societies into trouble and in Pakistan a change doesnt look likely in near future.

  29. #29 by Aatma-hathya on October 29, 2011 - 3:40 PM


    One has to be careful when describing democracy in Pakistan. The alternatives to Zia and Musharraf are not democratic rulers.

    Your example of patients and their medication is an apt one, but only when the medication actually exists in Pakistan.

    Democracy is not just about gaining majority seats in the legislature.

    Musharraf is more democratic than Zardari and Nawaz. How can you say otherwise?

    You are talking about his so called treatment of the judiciary. CJ Choudhary is a N-League man. People say it on TV. There is nothing such as free judiciary in Pakistan because there is no rule of law. The police is politicised, the legislature is politicised, so how can the judiciary be independent and impartial?

    The CJ took oath under a PCO thus legitimising Musharraf’s government. Why did he take oath in the first place?

    Democracy came to this world by revolution- monarchs, sheikhs, dictators did not wake up one day and realise that democracy is right. The status quo needs upheaval- whether that is through fighting, wars or through military intervention.

    Free media was Musharraf’s child and this is what will really bring democracy in Pakistan- not the judiciary or corrupt civilian leaders.

    Democracy is great because of checks and balances, because of free media, because of independent judiciary, because of impartial institutions but this feudalism and sugar mill democracy is just a smokescreen for real dictatorship. Musharraf sacks a judge on the pretext of corruption and nepotism and this becomes the biggest problem in the country, but Nawaz Sharif organised an assault on the Supreme Court building and that is not considered important?

    You have to look beyond labels and processes and realise that democracy is really about thought. In Pakistan there is no democracy so one can’t really say that dictatorship is bad for the country. Every civilian leader has looted the country, created corruption in institutions, committed extra judicial murders- this is all B.S. The military operation on MQM conducted by the democratic PPP government was arguably the most undemocratic action in the history of Pakistan but it has some legitimacy because it was ordered by civilians as opposed to military men?

  30. #30 by Aatma-hathya on October 29, 2011 - 3:56 PM

    The real star of Misbah’s Pakistan team is Hafeez because he has provided some stability to the top order.

    Misbah’s negative mindset can be seen by his decision of sending Azhar Ali, the most defensive batsman, at no 3. Azhar played so slowly that it seemed like he was desperate not to finish this match today.

    Also, Azhar did not want to take any risks- why are these batsmen so determined to keep their averages high? Finishing the match today was much more important than Azhar’s average.

    Ajmal I don’t feel bowled well enough to warrant Man of the Match award- should have gone to either Gul or Junaid for providing early breakthroughs or Hafeez for providing stable starts. I guess they didn’t give it to Azhar for his pathetic performance today.

    At least half of Ajmal’s wickets were tailenders. Rehman also did not bowl brilliantly- they are both passable at best in Tests. They are not even the standard of Mushtaq Ahmed.

    Misbah is lucky that his pace men are bowling well and that Azhar Ali is difficult to get out. If they carry their form Pakistan can definitely rank above the pathetic 6 or 7 ranking they have at the moment.

    The questions we must ask ourselves now, are……

    Gul has been in good form for 2 Tests- how long will this form continue? He has been inconsistent all his career.

    How long will Azhar Ali’s solid defence continue? Is he about to suffer from what all Pakistani youngsters have suffered after playing a handful of Tests?

    Same goes for Junaid Khan- how long will the hunger for wickets continue?

  31. #31 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 4:16 PM

    A khansahab

    whether jude badkaar was a biased man or not ,this doesnt give one license to kick him out of power. there are procedures to remove judges. Thats what mush did and that led to his downfall. He was advised by chaudharys not to mess with him but he considers himself COMMANDO and still lives in that fantasy. Look how zardari has blunted this judge. Mush always had a tyrannical mindset and this screwed him.

    Free media was beaten by mush. Channels were blocked and ultimately he launched a coup against his own government just to stop jude badkaar. Mush cant sack a judge, he didnt have the power. George bush screwed america in his 8 years, he lied about Iraq but no military intervention occurred in US to remove him. he was removed through constitution ie 3rd term rule.

    Whether democracy is bad or good , this doesnt imply dictatorship is good. Who allowed these corrupt leaders to come in first place by devising NRO?

    If Mr X is corrupt, then whoever makes deals with Mr X or facilitates him in anyway is as corrupt.

    You raise the issue of operations against MQM by PPP, what about the rallies in support of zardari they are taking out tomorrow. This is all politics. You acknowledge that operation has legitimacy as it was ordered by civilians compared to military men, so Mush was a military guy; hence no legitimacy to what he did.

    Sorry sir but democracy is about gaining majority- thats a global feature. Bush wins more votes than Al gore, he’s elected. Its that simple.

    BJP wins majority in India, they will form government ( although they are too extremist).

    May be communism may work in Pakistan! Its worth a shot

  32. #32 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 4:21 PM

    A khansahab

    They will stick with playing eleven . They would consider the squad as a lucky charm as stick with it unless they lose.

  33. #33 by Aatma-hathya on October 29, 2011 - 4:55 PM


    Why don’t you give him credit for devising NAB and creating free media?

    If he tried to block a media channel, that did not bury free media in the country.

    If he played a part in NRO that does not mean that the NAB was buried. The NAB still exists today but because of “democratic rulers” it has also become politicised and corrupt.

    Free media still exists and it emerged because of him, and the Accountability Bureau also exists and it was also his creation.

    If Musharraf should be criticised and punished for his actions then so must the Chief Justice for his political rallies across Pakistan- that was conduct becoming and unconstitutional. But, no one wants to point that out because the majority of the country was with him at that point and therefore it becomes “democratic” and legitimate.

    A person who can do that does not deserve an honourable post like the Chief Justice. But, does anyone care to point this out?

    If that guy is so principled and democratic, why is the judiciary still politicised and corrupt? And why are anti corruption actions still not taken against the government? That should be the top priority by any impartial and independent judge.

    Similarly, you said the Lal Masjid episode was carnage at the hands of Musharraf. The Mullahs who died in the mosque were not any more important than the soldiers who were shot from the mosque. The first bullet was fired not AT the mosque, but FROM the mosque. An act like this on the country’s armed forces surely must be an act of war against the state?

    Why doesn’t anyone point this out? That is because the media wanted to spice things up at that time and Musharraf bashing had become the mission of every TV channel.

    The retards in the mosque were not any more important than the troops. They were holding weapons. Why do you have sympathy for them but not for the troops? If a person has a beard and lives inside a mosque it does not make his life more important than the life of a soldier.

    If any women and children were killed how come no one has come forward and given their names or details? At a time when Musharraf is blamed for electricity crisis, poverty, economy, drone attacks, missing persons, army operation in Baluchistan, 12 May and everything under the sun, surely someone could have mentioned names and details of the dead women and children? Especially when the Mullahs were the heroes but the “sharaabi kebabi” Commando was the villain?

    What about the Mullah who tried to escape wearing a Burqa? If Musharraf had ordered the slaughter of women and children, why did that Mullah have to escape dressed as a woman? What benefit could he derive from a woman’s costume?

    Food for thought?

    What the F**K were they doing with weapons? And the suicide vests? Within a few miles of the country’s key federal institutions?

  34. #34 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 5:35 PM

    A khansahab

    two wrongs do not make a right.

    If jude badkaar is corrupt, this doesnt mean Mush should be condoned for his wrongs.

    There is a procedure for dealing with corruption within judiciary. A judicial commission is formed which looks into allegations and decides. Iam all for an enquiry in case of judges. I am not supporting jude badkaar but as I said in my previous comment, the public is also to be blamed. if butt is to be removed due to inefficiency, there is a procedure. does it make sense for military guys to kick him out of office. When such things happen ,mediocrites become heroes as media and public feel sympathy.

    To the best of my knowledge, phosphorous bombs were used to kill those mullahs. Such bombs are not allowed under warfare conventions. let me tell you something very strange, laal masjid was within 1 km of ISI- again something similar to OBL. IMO, the carnage could have been avoided as those people were without supplies and they could have been arrested. In hindsight, Mush ended up with more detractors than supporters after this event. you are right about media’s bitchy role and I agree that media spices up events.

    Well if people get killed and one knows that most of them were not fully supportive of all the activities, one will feel sympathy. It was a seminary and not all students in there were in favor those acts. You know sheikh Rasheed who was a big tattu of musharraf lost elections. on primetime Tv he said people asked him about red mosque and this cost him the elections.

    Khansahab, you raise the issue of weapons. Even I cant understand how all this stuff comes in federal capital. perhaps americans are right in claiming that Paki govts play double games. Its not possible that without state support, such weapons can come.

    As far as 12 may is concerned, there is a lot of stuff but I wont go into details.. The only thing I want to point out is on evening of 12th may, a rally was organised by Mush and chaudharies called ‘ Istikhame pakistan rally’. Why? because jude was taking out a rally in karachi. 50+ people were killed in karachi and yet a rally was organised in Islamabad. How embarrasing? Sir 12 may was a very bad day.

    iam not supporting jude badkaar but would you would have done the same thing in federal captain as president if there was so much bloodshed in karachi?

    Anyway, Mush doesnt look likely to play a major role in next elections. You admire him for certain reasons, I have my own reasons for disliking him. i think we should leave it to that.

  35. #35 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 6:12 PM

    Btw, it was Mian Nawaz Sharif of Kulsoom Bai, who set the precedent of firing Judges and Generals. He not only fired one of the senior judges but his party men beat him up. He fired General Jehangir Karamat and Admiral Fasih Bokhari. Besides, he wanted to become the FIRAON or Pharaoh of Pakistan by making 13th and 14th amendments and by passing of the 14th amendment, Sharif emerged as the most powerful elected Prime minister in the country since its independence 50 years ago and no other leader has enjoyed the his level of extreme popularity. He did so many unlawful and unconstitutional things that no one had ever done that before.

    The establishment of the cooperative societies was one of the biggest scams in the history of Pakistan where more than 700,000 poor people lost almost all their life savings and who gained from it? Mian Sahab of Hera Mandi. It was revealed that the biggest beneficiary was Ittefaq Group of Industries which received billions of rupees from those societies.

    His integrity and loyalty to Pakistan can be seen from his act of ordering the authorities to hand over Gen. Musharaf to the Indian Government. How STUPID, you don’t give your top General to a hostile country so that they can extract any information from him by drugging him or giving him truth serum. Even Ch2 Zardari did the same by ordering through the media that Gen. Kiyani will go to India to investigate the Bombay terrorist attack 2 years ago. And, it was once again it was Mian Sahab of Heera Mandi who blabbed his mouth open and told the media without any proof that Qassab is a Pakistani citizen. You don’t expect such idiotic acts from a senior politician, leader whatever! The only reason he is popular is because he is a PUNJABI. That’;s all and he is the one who airs Jingoism, he is the one who distributed pamphlets in Punjabi with the caption JAAG PUNJABI JAAG. He and his brother are venomous bastards.

  36. #36 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 6:22 PM

    Prime minister has the authority of appointing and firing army chiefs. Sharif didnt fire any judge but yes he definitely influenced sacking of judges. Sharif ransacked the SC and jude badkaar did take oath under PCO- hypocrisy personified. Media is the biggest bitch which creates compassion for these assholes. thats why I dont watch these stupid talk shows and this peo sheo.. On this blog, i expressed the same sentiments regarding the Shoaib- tendulkar saga that media is a BEE JAMALO

    pml n is definitely using the punjab card !

    I expect more stupidity from these seasoned politicians and public as well. Rally for Zardari tomorrow by a progessive, secular party- nonsense!

    BTW it was ISI chief who was to go to india ( gen pasha), not kiyani.

  37. #37 by Aatma-hathya on October 29, 2011 - 7:09 PM


    I said that if Musharraf was wrong then the CJ was wrong too. And you are responding by saying that if the CJ is corrupt it does not mean Musharraf’s actions are justified. This is not about whether the chicken came first or the egg, it is about the fact that one person has been demonised whilst the other is considered to be a hero. THAT is what is wrong.

    This procedure that you are talking about that should be used to regulate the judiciary- this procedure is again nonsense because the judiciary is politicised and whatever committee is formed will dance to the tune of a a political party or some agency. In Musharraf’s case the judiciary was not in his favour. The Pakistan constitution allows for the PM to take notice of wrongdoing by any judge and then forward a motion to the President. Shoukat Aziz followed this procedure. Now if this was because of any Steel Mills corruption or whatever then someone needs to come clean with this because there are many grey areas.

    It’s a coincidence that this topic of phosphorous bombs was discussed on TV a few days ago and someone mentioned that the Pakistan Army does not have such bombs that were allegedly used in the Lal Masjid operation. I think rather than wonder about which bombs Pak Army used, one should think about why these Mullahs had machine guns and grenade launchers and suicide vests? Why do these Islamic people need to use these horrible commodities to make themselves heard?

    Don’t you think this is the problem with Pakistan, that people are worried about phosphorous bombs which supposedly Pakistan Army does not even use, but people don’t complain about the weapons the Mullahs had in the mosque?

    Those people were definitely with supplies- despite the media being biased they did take photos of gunmen positioned on the minaret of the mosque and also the weapons they had in one of the mosque halls.

    I have seen Sheikh Rashid claiming that he lost the election because of Lal Masjid. But even now he is a die hard supporter of Musharraf. You should also try and hear his views about why he supports Musharraf. It is because there is only one leader in recent times who actually cared about bringing prosperity to the country and not loot the nation’s wealth.

    12 May was a horrible day and I agree with you. But, the lives of those 50 people are not any more precious than the lives of thousands of people killed without due process in the military operation on MQM. This was not Lal Masjid where people were holding weapons and firing from the mosque minaret. A large number of these people killed were university boys with no criminal record or affiliation. I can’t believe that people keep mentioning 12 May as a dark day in the history of Pakistan, yet people forgo other events that were clearly darker.

    After Benazir was killed lots of people were killed in Karachi, people were attacked, businesses were attacked, even Edhi’s workers and ambulances were attacked. The whole nation was united that BB should not have been killed, yet innocent people belonging to one ethnicity were victimised- why? This was not even like a rally or lawyers or anything- there was no politics here- just normal people going about their daily lives. And, they had the decency to suffer in silence without causing any backlash. This was darker than 12 May because a lot more than 50 people were killed and many more suffered damage to their business or property. But, no one mentions this.

    So, it is important to treat things equally, whether it is Mullah vs Army, bad Commando vs bad Judge or ethnicity vs ethnicity.

  38. #38 by Aatma-hathya on October 29, 2011 - 7:30 PM


    This rally by the progressive and secular party is nothing but “I scratch your back and you scratch mine”.

    In fact this rally is a dark day in the history of Pakistan and the politics of Pakistan because it shows how dirty and unprincipled these people are.

    This is more an anti Nawaz rather than pro Zardari rally.

  39. #39 by Aatma-hathya on October 29, 2011 - 8:21 PM

    Pakistan is not playing any good team until Jan-Feb next year when they play England in UAE.

    After this series they play Bangladesh.

    I thought SL would provide more competition but they are just awful on this tour.

  40. #40 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 8:25 PM

    A khansahab

    spot on! it is an anti nawaz rally

    All these rallies are BS. they are just to gain political leverage and nothing to do with benefit of people.

    I dont endorse wrong actions of anybody including jude badkaar

    you may consider a process absurd and you may be right but till the process is not legislatively challenged, it will be the modus operandi. Does it make sense for president to appoint cricket head. I disagree but if thats the way itis designed, then we are bound to accept it. As far as I understand, reference against a judge is sent by president to judicial commission anmd then commission decides whether reference is right or wrong. In jude’s case, reference was decided to be without merit.

    My elders tell me that ZAB was convicted by 4 judges from punjab while 3 judges from rest of pakistan ruled in his favor. So a 4-3 verdict led to his hanging and it is still debated whether it was right or wrong but you are bound to follow the letter of the law.

    I cant verify about accuracy of PH bombs but I googled and according to wikipaedia Pakistan has phosphorous bombs.

    whether Shaikh rasheed is a supporter or not, my view was to show damage done by this operation. You have to wait till elections to see where shaikhjee falls. It should be remembered that you are questioning my dislike for Musharraf while he’s not the only one I dislike. You are fond of Musharraf and I have no reservations over that ( thats how I see the whole debate; you may have a different perspective). So shaikhjee’s allegiance is not an issue here.

    MQM operation is a very contentious issue and frankly I dont understand your view. Secondly, it has nothing to do with this debate. If your view is that innocent people were killed in this operation, then its not entirely true.

    12 th May is a dark day for many reasons. Armed people were roaming on main roads and there was no police or rangers- sight never seen before. There are other aspects too about 12th may but I prefer not to discuss it.

    khansahab, weaponisation of religious parties has a background. they were used during Zia era to wage Jihad against Soviet Unionin Afghanistan with US as proxy. once Soviet union was defeated, US abandoned Pakistan but remnants of war like taliban, OBL, extremism, weapons remained. Pakistan is still paying a price. Now due to Indian intervention in Afghanistan and US operation, ISI is playing a double game. They support yet fight against these groups. You have a super complex situation where its all foggy. Mind you, US screwed pakistan and now is hell bent that Pakistan destroys all these parties. It curses Taliban yet engages in talks. Whom do you think nodded for Mush’s dismissal. Zardari, kiyani no sir, It was US. US accused Mush of playing double game and when Zardari offered to be a better servant than him, they pissed him off.

    So from my side, curses to all bad people, whether its commando, judge, mullah etc

  41. #41 by Aatma-hathya on October 29, 2011 - 8:25 PM

    Pakistan are indeed a little lucky because 2011 has been Jayawardene’s worst year of int’l cricket. He averages 25 this year; his next worst average is 30, from 1997, the year of his debut.

    Dilshan averages 36 this year, 6 runs less than his career average of 42.

    So SL’s bad luck or Pak’s good luck that two of SL’s best batsmen are out of form.

  42. #42 by Aatma-hathya on October 29, 2011 - 8:44 PM


    Fair enough…..

    But, Sh Rashid has said on TV many times that, though he supports Musharraf he does not want him to come back to Pakistan. He has his own party now and so far he has not merged with anyone.

    The reason I mentioned MQM operation was because we were discussing how democracy can legitimise controversial and ill-conceived actions and operations. That is why this has relevance here. My view is not that every single person killed in this operation was innocent, but that firstly A LOT of people were killed and secondly A LOT of them were innocent. I don’t know or care how many, but the intelligence and process used to target MQM people was shoddy. We can discuss this further if you disagree with me.

    I have agreed with you that 12 May was a dark day but it is pretty low down the pecking order of dark days because worse things have happened such as what happened in KHI after BB’s death and what happened in KHI during the military operations. I don’t understand why those events are not brought into the limelight.

    I understand you dislike Mullahs and Sharif Bros and Zardari etc too, but you seem to dislike Musharraf for reasons which are either “spiced up” or fabricated. People dislike him for his drinking habits, or for his ethnicity and support for MQM, or for his disapproval of Mullahgiri etc. Whilst I don’t endorse any of these views I can understand that, there might be such reasons for disliking him. I am not defending his stance on CJ by the way. It would have been better if this episode had not happened.

    As far as the CJ is concerned, there is a lot more we need to know. There needs to be clarity about the reasons why Musharraf sacked him and on what basis the PM forwarded the motion to the President. Similarly there needs to be clarity about what Aziz was doing wrong that provoked the CJ to take notice of his actions.

    As far as Lal Masjid is concerned, Musharraf offered to negotiate with the terrorists a few times. I think for a period of a few days Musharraf asked them to lay their weapons down and surrender.

  43. #43 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 9:28 PM

    A khansahab

    Why shaIkjee stops him from coming here, does he fear for his life?

    No sir, I dont like his drinking but thats not the main reason.

    The lust for money and power leads man to lows. Zardari is hungry for both, Mush was hungry for power. let me make an admission. From 1990-2010, who do you think was the most powerful and lucky man in Pakistan? My answer is Mush. He had super support in fist few years, even Imran liked him, you could hardly find any critics. He had a midas touch and circumstances were in his favor. He was even given legitimate status via 18th amendment. But then the self destruct process started. absolute power corrupts . These words were said by John acton and this is what has happened. I have elaborated in my comments how his downfall occurred. Fact of the matter is a little prudence on his part would have saved him but he considers it a weakness. In other words he is not a good politician.

    This doesnt mean my feelings are final. They may change but from what I have observed I dont see any discernable change in him.

    You may not find my reasons appealing, but you dont know why I hate Zardaris, Mullahs, sharifs and altafs. Infact you didnt bring these people under the kaleidoscope ( which is interesting). Perhaps you would have found more weaknesses in my reasons for hating these guys.i may be wrong but when fondness reaches a certain stage, criticism doesnt sound nice. This is one feature I observe specially in sub continent. Just like Criticism of Tendulkar evokes a response from Indians, i find Mush supporters objecting to his criticism.

    You know when people curse Zardari, implicitly they are cursing all those instruments who enabled him to come to power. Mush by default exists in that list. Hence, every curse for Zardari is a curse for Altaf,Mush,PPP ala bla.

    I dont want to discuss KHI operation ; it will open a pandora box. Regarding BB’s death, Mush was in power not PPP so its for him to answer.

    Anyway, its always a pleasure blogging with you Khansahab. Whether I agree or disagree with you, I feel a sense of tranquility. The time I have spent here exchanging views with you has been nice and memorable.

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 9:58 PM

    Yes, you are right it was Pasha and not Kiyani, actually Kiyani prevented Pasha from going by asking Z. WTF are you doing? The point is, all these big names in politics be it Zardari or Nawaz they have no loyalties for Pakistan, they are busy in loot, khasote and how to get glued to their seat and, the most important aspect of their life is making their empires abroad. Now, the new trend is their kids without being in power are doing the same like, Gillani’s son in London and Shahbaz Sharif’s son in Lahore, still the masses are so naive that they support these corrupt leaders and their Na-Khalaf Aulaad.

    As regards CJ Paindoo Chaudhry, he is a TOILET PAPER and was used, abused and consumed by the Shareef Brothers and the USA. The Harvard University gave him the highest award the so-called Medal of Freedom which only two other people in the world got it besides this Paindoo and they are Nelson Mandela and Oliver Hill. This is just a farce to show it to the world that all three recipients are coloured, as if there is NO Gora who is as capable as these three people? Secondly, Harvard Uni wouldn’t fart without the permission of the US Govt and the US govt. wanted to give this award to this Paindoo to create restlessness in Pakistan and to topple Musharraf’s govt by giving him this award and showing to the people of Pakistan that he is a real Justice. This is all BS.

    Reportedly CJP has many corruption cases registered against him where he has passed the verdict after hearing only one side of the story, why would a CJ do that unless he has some interest in that case? Also, his demands from the govt. that he needs a bullet proof Mercedes 500 SEL and a Helicopter (which he used many times) he is also accused of getting his son a prominent job in the government by using his authority and position (perhaps it was in the Police deptt?) and there are so many other cases of different nature which are not fair, SO he is not a FARISHTA, in fact he is a Bakri ki Khaal may Bhairiya. So, if Musharraf ate onions only when he used to eat kebabs and he used to eat kebabs only when he used to drink Sharaab is nothing in comparison to what these culprits have done. Btw, I am not a Musharraf supporter or a fan, he was here on Oct. 15th, if I was one I would have gone and met him. And, I am sure he will not get a chance to get into Pakistan (only a miracle can take him there, like Zardari came from backdoor and haunting the nation).

    Talking about backdoor, when Mian Sahab of Chamia Bai Chabootray Wali was asked at a Ministry of Health conference, “What is bacteria?” He said, it is the back door to the cafeteria. And whenever he is interviewed, he thinks in Urdu, translates it in English and replies, for e.g., “MAI MUTTAFIQ HOON,” he would say, ” I AM AGREE,” That is why on this blog you see a lot of “I am agree” from us, and a few of his other famous words are., BAKAOZ, BAY SEE CULLY agar aap dekhain……… etc. etc.

  45. #45 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 10:10 PM

    Imran Khan was and still is immature in politics, if he had any ‘aqal’ he should have accepted the post of the Prime Minister offered by Mush, but he refused because he wanted “absolute power’ which corrupts absolutely. As regards BB’s assassination Mush was in power so you blame Mush? What about Zia? Do you blame the army? The US govt. or who? What about John F Kennedy, some people say it was Edgar Hoover. And, in case of his brother’s assassination do people blame the then govt?

    Back to BB there is ample evidence that the Taliban wanted to get rid of her, some say Zardari played the role, some say it is the ISI or some say it is Mush. But, why did they kill so many in Karachi? When Indira Gandhi was assassinated by her own body guard, in Delhi alone thousands of Sikhs were butchered to death. Did anyone blame any political party or leader?

    These instances will remain a mystery forever. People will always raise fingers at each other without any concrete proof.

  46. #46 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 10:11 PM

    IMO, Jude will get screwed after 2013 when his term expires.

    Regardless of whomsoever one supports, electorate is made up of thieves ( degree of corruption is debatable)

    this is what I meant when I talked about stop gap measures.

    A prospective voter will be wooed along those lines ” Ye bhi chor hae, magr wo bada chor hae to chote chor ko vote do..”

    And that seems to be the status quo

    Lets see how rally unfolds

    ” Khabbardar, Nawaz sharif badmash Sharif, Zardari ko kuch mat kehna, wo hamara sadr hae ( corruption ka) hehe..”

  47. #47 by tom on October 29, 2011 - 10:15 PM

    law and order when bb was murdered was the issue, not BB’s murder. obviously it was the duty of the govt to control law and order.

    Maybe zardari was involved. maybe US or mush or taliban or somebody else…

    hard to tell

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 29, 2011 - 10:25 PM

    I still fail to understand why would a husband stop the team of doctors from performing autopsy on his wife’s body? Why would Rehman Malik threaten the doctors from speaking the truth? Why was Masee Naheed and Sherry Ki Bottle were not allowed to see BB’s body and why was the body flown to Nao Dero and buried in such a hurry? And, then, this MFZ comes into power he wants the foreign experts from the UK and UN to come and investigate her murder after so many months when there is no evidence left. It was just a DHONG and a drama to prove to the masses that I am doing my best to find out the killer of your leader. I have never heard a man who wants to change the sir name of his son from his name to his wife’s sir name, what a baysharam maqlooq he is. After BB’s death he went to the UN and kept BB’s portrait facing the camera and gave a mourning speech and the next day he wanted to give a HUG TO SARAH PALIN. Which President of a country can do such trivial antics?

    As regards Mush’s govt. they warned BB from coming back to Pakistan by telling her clearly that her life would be in danger but, for her it was the power and public support and the rally that was more important than anything because she had everything else (besides a real husband) so she paid no heed to the warnings. She was lucky that she survived in Karachi rally, in fact Karachiites are lucky that she did not die in Karachi otherwise there would have been a civil war in Karachi.

  49. #49 by Mohammed Munir on October 30, 2011 - 4:59 AM

    So then, finally Pakistan won …. this is the heading @ Cricinfo “Crushing win for clinical Pakistan”.

    Pakistan and Clinical ❓ ❓ Well, may be …

    LOL @ Mr. 2.5% Zakat … 😆

    BTW, this a guy ‘tom’ is a good youngsta beauty…. and a he is enjoying his comements, why not ❓ 😉

    So this guy ‘tom’ is he our old friend Abdul ❓

    Or is this Omer Armani ❓ 😉

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 30, 2011 - 5:25 AM


    U seems to be enjoying cricket in the UAE especially with the nice weather approaching, whereas we are ready to brace the longgggggggggggggggggg winter which is just around the corner, in fact the night temperatures are falling below zero Celsius so, the winter clothes have to be taken out from the wardrobe. So far I haven’t started wearing gloves but, I remember 15 years ago even in September I used to wear gloves. Btw, just for info when it is snowing, it is like this, take a view of the picture by clicking the link below:

    And, you must watch this 3 minutes video which we have experienced in January 1998 during the ICE storm which is not the same as SNOW storm. Snow storms we get 3-4 every year with 3-4 feet of snow and with wind direction in some places it piles up to 10 feet. BUT, this ICE storm is different and reportedly it is such a rare phenomenon that it happens only once in 10,000 years and we are the victims of it. Just watch the video and you will understand. We stayed in shelters for 11 days, because there was no electricity and luckily during that time the temp was not bad just -6C whereas in Jan. and Feb. it is generally -30C to -40C so, we survived with some mobile generators from the army. And that is why I tell you, if you want to enjoy the weather in Montreal come in Jan./Feb.

  51. #51 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 9:17 AM


    Iam a new youngsta but a not a beauty on a blog

    Im enjoying my a commentary, why not

  52. #52 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 9:24 AM

    Well if it was predestined that BB had to die on 27 dec in pindi, then she couldnt have averted it. It is our belief that place and time of death is final and no one can change that. But thasts hindsight and every one is an expert after something happens.

    These bozos who live overseas and conduct politics from there believe that they are safe- nonsense. Look what happened to Dr Imran Farooq, his death was destined in Uk although he fled Pakistan. I hate all these politiciasns who pollute the country whether they are inland or overseas.

    Definitely zardari is involved in BB’s murder but right now Gods are smiling at Zardari just like in case of Mush in first few years. When his time will run out, he will hide in palin’s skirts (hehehe..)

  53. #53 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 9:33 AM

    I sometimes wonder what was the rhetoric behind naming this country Pakistan?

    Pak from what?

    corruption, crime, terrorism, lawlessness, etc?

    65 years down the road and still experts debate whether country is on right path or the ideology behind its creation.

    On a previous blog, scenic pictures were pasted about pakistan and this blog ends on a prayer. But what we seeis all Mayooosi

    very little optimism and hope. fear, insecurity, uneasiness rules!

    ultimately it looks its pak from hope, prosperity,security, law, tolerance etc..

    Sad reading but true!

  54. #54 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 9:43 AM

    A few lines in praise of our great great leader phagge de paaye mian sahab












    Source: jang news

  55. #55 by Mohammed Munir on October 30, 2011 - 12:34 PM

    Sayali Bhagat accuses Big B of misbehaving with her …

    This is the same ‘Saali’ … Oops, I mean Sayali who was with our Malak Sahab. 😉

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 30, 2011 - 3:16 PM

    Good moaning guys, its a Sunday but not a lazy one because the Sun is shining and that always perks me up (not coffee but sunshine).

    On Pakistan’s name, my Dad once told me that how the name Pakistan came into existence and how it was chosen? It is in Urdu and makes sense but in English spellings it may not sound the same way, anyways it is:

    PA from Punjab
    K from Kashmir
    S from Sindh
    TAN from Baluchistan.

    Some people just take half of the word i.e., PAK meaning clean and in Sanskrit (and later in Hindi) STHAN means JAGA (place). STHAN rehnay ki jaga ko kehtay hain. Hindustan is also derived from the same concept, The Place Where Hindus Live. There is also a word in Hindi “Asthana” once again rehnay ki jaga, but the root is sthan.

    I know the origins of a few words for e.g., the sweet and sour fruit from South India and South East Asia is called IMILY in India. When the Arabs first came to India by ships to the Malabar Coast they ate and took some with them. By the time they reached back home they forgot the name IMILY and upon asking what is this? They said, “Haza Tamar Min Hind.” This is a fruit from India. In short it became Tamar Hind. (The word Tamar is now used in the GCC for DATES but it is actually from Samar which means fruit, Samar Bihisht is the name of a Mango meaning Jannat ka Phall or Fruit of Paradise.

    Anyways, the French also came to India on the Malabar Coast and captured Pondihcerry which was then Puducherry, the French extended their empire from the west coast to the east up to Madras. They used to call IMILY as Tamarine because they have the problem with the word “H” which is muet which remains silent in many cases like Homme (men) is pronounced Omme, then there is H aspiré and when this word TAMARINE was exported from India to France and later to England, the English said, the French forgot to add the letter “D” in it and removed the last “e” and started writing it as TAMARIND For example in the case of pronouncing my name, the French would say: Mr. Hali Kan, instead of Mr. Ali Khan. Sometimes it is very funny when they say, I am very Angry meaning I am very hungry. High Veal come with my Uzbend to Heat Ear in your restaurant. I will come with my husband to eat hear at your restaurant

    The history of the word Admiral in Navy is also very interesting. The Arabs were very much ahead of the rest of the world in Ship Building and had an Armada of battle ships and boats. The Chief of the Navy in Arabic is called AMIR UL BAHR. Which means Chief of the Sea. The French could not pronounce the long word and simply used to call it AMIRAL and then the British as usual thoonsofied the letter D in it and call it ADMIRAL.

    Btw, the bread Croissant which we all eat in Starbucks, Tim Hortons, Second Cup etc., was originated by Muslims in Spain and it was and still is CRESCENT (HILAL) shape and it was an indication that it was a Muslim bread without any lard in it. Those who many not know the Arabs ruled in Spain for almost 600 years i.e., when Tariq Bin Ziyad burned his boats and fought a fierce battle and won it. The Moorish Architecture is so beautiful and so visible if you go to Cordoba, Granada and Alhambra you will see it on the mosques. I think this is enough for today and I need to go and `heat`my breakfast.

  57. #57 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 3:22 PM

    Well it may be a normal morning for some, but this guy means business

  58. #58 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 3:24 PM

    And some always provide support no matter what the odds

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 30, 2011 - 3:30 PM


    if you are in a sulking mood, watch this video, it will cheer u up.

  60. #60 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 30, 2011 - 3:44 PM

    An hour ago I got a phone call from Pakistan from my cousin and he was telling me the details of his speech…………….I dunno what will be the effect of this speech, he is NO Qaid-e-Azam.

  61. #61 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 30, 2011 - 3:59 PM

    Pakistan triumph at Hong Kong Sixes
    Razzaq 63 and Tanvir 58 won by 35 runs against England

    Pakistan had looked in good nick for the event and even outshone the All Star team boasting countryman Shahid Afridi and Sri Lankan legend Sanath Jayasuriya.

  62. #62 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 4:49 PM

    there is only one Quaid in the town.

    Whenever I feel jaded, I listen to his speeches and it makes me rejuvenated.

    The other pretender is gathering masses; whether he’ll get some seats remains to be seen

  63. #63 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 4:55 PM

  64. #64 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 30, 2011 - 7:01 PM

    According to reliable sources, Imran Khan is seriously thinking to approach Shah Mahmood Qureshi and a few others to form an alliance, which is a good move, because one person managing 11 players or acting as an administrator of a hospital is different from managing a political party and dealing with crooks. Even if he does that, Imran may still not be able to get majority votes unless MQM and ANP joins his party.

    There is also a very strong rumour that Parvez Musharraf is going to Pakistan on March 23rd, 2012. Therefore, the next year will be a very important year for Pakistan when the elections will be held. It is very likely that we may not see PPP and PML(N) in power. And, I don’t think they will form an alliance. Anyways, my political knowledge is almost negligible so I cannot be sure about anything especially in Pakistan where everything is possible.

  65. #65 by Aatma-hathya on October 30, 2011 - 7:39 PM


    I may respond to your other comments later, but thanks for sharing your sentiments about this blog.

    You will find that people who write here are more intelligent, mature and tolerant than on other blogs.

    When Javed Khan, Awas and I were discussing what the new blog should include, some 3 or 4 years ago, we had people like you on our mind.

    Things started a little unpleasantly for you here but I am glad you decided to bury the hatchet. A bad beginning has a good ending 🙂

    You will find that there are all kinds of people here- proud Indians, proud Pakistanis, Afridi sympathisers, MQM sympathisers, Imran Khan sympathisers, Musharraf sympathisers, but despite criticism and admiration for everyone, people haven’t left the blog because they realise that the essentially the blog promotes that things aren’t black and white, but shades of grey.

  66. #66 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 7:58 PM

    Your knowledge about politics is relatively better than the sulphates who come on prime TV as “SEXPERTS” and start saying ch2 things like ” ojee mian sahib…, Asif zurdari ki corruption, amran jeete ga…”. Assholes! paisa phenk tamasha dekh. Na sar ka pata na pair ka, chale hae tabsare karne. They do this for money and there analysis are horrible.

    Mush will come when jude badkaar retires ie 2013. Thats my assessment and some of my friends who are skin deep into politics and who admire him. It does look a cocktail of pti,mqm,anp, splinter groups of ppp and nawaz may form next govt. It will be good since no ganja or zarda but it will be bad as amraan is a big chodroo and like obama the bubble of bragging will eventually burst. there will be no anti american policies, economy will be in tatters etc.

    Well lets see : hope 4 the best!

  67. #67 by tom on October 30, 2011 - 8:10 PM

    A khansahab

    well thanks for letting me express my views on this forum.

    Its true that writers here are quite seasoned ( barring me HEHE.. HE..).

    I dont think there was any unpleasantness at any stage. Secondly, Khansahab by nature Im futuristic. i rarely look back and unless if something is close to my heart or important as an experience, i delete it from my neural database.

    Well thats the way world is- everybody has his own taste and preferences. Either we agree or disagree, bottom line is nothing is absolute in this world.

    lets hope we continue to have fruitful discussions.

  68. #68 by Aatma-hathya on October 30, 2011 - 9:29 PM

    Misbah’s captaincy guiding Pakistan, says team manager

    Pakistan team manager Naushad Ali on Sunday praised captain Misbahul Haq, saying his leadership qualities are key to the team’s progress after a turbulent last year marred by a spot-fixing scandal in England.

    Haq led Pakistan to a comfortable nine-wicket win over Sri Lanka in the second Test here on Saturday, taking a 1-0 lead in the three-match series.

    The first Test in Abu Dhabi ended in a draw.

    Since taking over as Test captain in the post spot-fixing scandal, Haq has not lost any series with Pakistan winning four of nine Tests, losing one and drawing the other four.

    Haq, 37, will also lead Pakistan in one-day and Twenty20 versions of the game after Shahid Afridi was sacked in May this year.

    Ali, a former wicket-keeper batsman, said Haq is key to their success.

    Haq is a wise captain and his best quality is that he is cool,” said Ali.

    “Haq is the key and as a batsman also he is in great form since being made captain.”

  69. #69 by Aatma-hathya on October 30, 2011 - 9:38 PM

    Javed A Khan

    One thing is for sure- PML N is not forming the majority government in Pakistan in the next election.

    PPP Punjab, Q League will not lose their votes because PML N has not proved to be a competent government whereas Imran’s popularity is growing by the day.

    As for Musharraf, he announced his return on March 23, 2012 many months ago. I think he will land in Keranchi and he will win a NA seat from a MQM safe seat. This will give him access to the legislature and will allow him to spread his wings and gain support.

    He will not land in Lahore primarily because he is not well liked in Punjab and secondly, he will let imran handle Lahore. I think Imran and Musharraf have made a pact of some kind that Imran will not meddle in Sindh and Musharraf will not meddle in Punjab.

  70. #70 by Aatma-hathya on October 30, 2011 - 9:43 PM

    Already the “qaaf” and “kh” is not strong in India and “qaaf” will be weakened further because of the influence of Rahat Fateh:

    Gautam Gambhir to Marry

    It’s cricketer Gautam Gambhir, next, who is going to give up his ‘eligible bachelor’ status and tie the knot with a certain Natasha Jain, who hails from a business family.

    The marriage, it is said, will take place in October or November. If sources are to be believed, this is an arranged marriage fixed by the respective families. Though touted to be a simple wedding with about 150 invitees only, Gautam, who is a big fan of Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, is trying to get the singer to perform on his big day.

  71. #71 by Aatma-hathya on October 30, 2011 - 9:56 PM


    This may be far fetched but I actually feel MQM is doing Imran a favour by their anti Nawaz stance.

    Imran’s wants to get rid of PPP through electoral victory- and he will do that by making Nawaz voters vote for him.

    And MQM made it easier for him by taking out this rally.

    PML N are collapsing and this frustration must be killing them- that why the PPP is still supported by MQM and ANP despite being corrupt and incompetent, but why is PML N hung out to dry?

    I think part of the answer lies in the fact that, unlike Sindhis, Pashtuns and Urdu Speakers, Punjabis perhaps never considered Karachi to be their home despite their large presence in the city, and therefore they could never seriously involve themselves in politics. Of course, ANP, PPP and MQM alliance is completely to do with Karachi’s multi ethnic demographics.

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 31, 2011 - 2:40 AM

    Actually Naushad Ali ment VICE CAPTAIN not Wise Captain. 😉

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 31, 2011 - 3:06 AM

    Since the topic of tom‘s interest in our blog has been discussed and a few comments have been written, I want to say something for tom. First of all I don’t want to discuss whatever happened in the past because, it is useless to discuss it if one needs to carry on a relationship further. Secondly, I don’t hold grudges against anyone, mostly I am in a good mood (in my real life too and makes everyone around me laugh and relax) if I was the type who hold grudges then I would be a sad and sulky person, which I am not. I am so transparent that you can see I use my real name, my real photo and the place of my domicile etc, and I also write about my past.

    When a few family members died in the past recent months tom conveyed his condolences and I did not respond immediately because within 6 days 3 family members had died so, the situation was rather tense and sad and very unexpected. And when I started blogging after a week or so, almost all bloggers have expressed their condolences and I responded in a general way like thank you ALL, whereas, I should have mentioned the names. Khair, but I have no ill feelings for anyone specifically in your case and you have no idea that I don’t hold any grudge against those who used to abuse me on PakSpin later came to our blog and became friends. I cannot write on a public forum how much they changed and what they did, but whatever good they did was incredible and commendable.

    Perhaps this is the only blog where everyone is welcome to write anything against politicians, players, leaders, actors, whoever except for getting too personal with fellow bloggers. Some blogs and even bloggers want to write only on the subject on which the thread is written, they do not want to deviate from the topic, they want you to stay on the topic or they delete your comment, whereas we not only talk but we blab and we blab a lot in a very casual manner. There is one page on the blog called V-talk it was created to blab anything, we have a religion page and a BAVARCHI KHANA too i.e., because of my passion to cook.

    Some of our regulars are not writing these days perhaps they are busy like, Sagaat, Varun, Bichoo, Theossa, Pawan etc. But, whenever there is a good series especially India / Pak they start writing regularly and we all respect each other views. So, I hope I have clarified my stance, which I don’t need to but, I am a little bit polite and civilized unlike my ancestors who used to live in caves. 😀

  74. #74 by Mohammed Munir on October 31, 2011 - 5:27 AM

    I told the team to be mentally strong – Mohsin

    Hahahah ….. Abbey Bitwa Mohsinwa, Pehley Tu Khud To Bahadur Ban Ja, Phir Khilaarion Ko Bhee Sutraang Banaleejio. 😉

  75. #75 by Mohammed Munir on October 31, 2011 - 9:03 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I have read your comment on Canadian weather and have also viewed the snowy picture as well as the Youtube clip with regards to ‘Ice-Strom’, which for me was something new to have learned.

    BTW, the ice-storm video was painting a scary picture and god forbid, if this phenomenon continues for few months or longer it would have destroy all life. At one time, a person in the video was talking about one electric wire which continued limited supply of electricity to certain areas and he was mentioning that in case if this was also disconnected (like two other disconnections) then it would have taken the government months before restoring the electricity and may be the entire city population would have to be relocated. This could be bad, really bad. In fact the video was looking like as if we are on planet Pluto with frozen ice all around us. 😦

    On the other hand, in UAE we are just finishing our long hot summers and are about to start very pleasant winter months. The winters in UAE are more like your summers in Canada as we have temperatures hovering around 20s degree C, which is GREAT. No need to explain it to you as you have lived and enjoyed the UAE winters for many many years.

    On cricket, well I don’t want to boast about UAE weather, but the fact is that we don’t loose any interesting games because of rains like in many other countries, including India. Secondly, even in winters we don’t have much of morning-fog or evening-dew factors to disturb the games over here, this is why the fans have so far enjoyed uninterpreted cricket on this tour.

    Still on cricket, the Sharjah Cricket Stadium is all ready and pumped up for the important third Test match during Eid holidays. The stadium is all renovated with new seatings, canopies, extra viewing areas, purpose-built dressing rooms for both teams, ICC rooms for officials, media and broadcasting facilities, conference room, and even a hall of fame which shall carry old memorabilia to feed our nostalgia. Further, they have named a dedicated pavilion for “Mr. Qassim Noorani”, who was associated with the CBFS in it’s initial years and have died sometime back. BTW, have you watched any matches in old Sharjah CBFS Stadium ❓

    I have recently visited Sharjah stadium and inspected the on going works and its readiness for the forthcoming games. Oh, and did I tell you that Sharjah stadium is a stone throw away from my home ❓ 😉

  76. #76 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 9:03 AM

    A khansahab

    imran looking good and things looking a little bleak for nawaz

    Having said that, its still premature too make any prediction.

    I feel a little scary vis a vis Imran- way too many obscure theories he professes.

    hes gone to China- perhaps a new foreign relations chapter is in the offing.

  77. #77 by Mohammed Munir on October 31, 2011 - 9:14 AM

    Aatma-hathya …

    Your comment no. 16, above.

    Bhai Sahab, please don’t attach too much importance to anyone’s physical apperance and their looks. This can be considered a very bad thing specially in ‘first-world’ countries. 😉

  78. #78 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 9:18 AM

    IMO, blogging should be fun and should alleviate stress which has become part and parcel of our daily lives. Although I do argue vigorously at times, but internally I try to remain calm and relaxed. Thats one reason I dont feel agitated while commenting and responding to comments. Unless its something as drastic as a comparison btw Prophet and a politician, we must acknowledge that everybody looks at things from his own perspective.

    Well I think my ancestors were more knowledgeable and civilised than me. My great grandfather was well versed in Persian which makes me more proud than all the degrees which my elders have. Although he was a shepherd, but guys some how I feel envious about the golden rural life he led. perhaps the pursuit of that elusive happiness compels me to blog specially here. after all if one doesnt feel happy at the end of the day, then its all down the drain. We tell something, we hear something and we cherish this unselfish act of give and take. Its a barter of emotions and sentiments unlike the cosmetic world which limits our boundaries.

    Cheers to legslip!

  79. #79 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 9:31 AM

    Javed A Khan

    The video you asked me to look at has a “Nargus” in it 😀

  80. #80 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 9:34 AM

    Munir sahab

    What is wrong with saying that the PCB chief’s moustache and hairstyle is a little dated?

    I did say his looks don’t reflect his calibre….

  81. #81 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 9:42 AM

    PCB likely to undergo changes under new chairman Zaka Ashraf

    Karachi, Oct 31(ANI): Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB)’s new chairman Zaka Ashraf is likely to fire some senior officials and also make some placement changes, it has been claimed.

    “There is a big chance that he will have a new chief operating officer while existing CCO Subhan Ahmad will be entrusted the task of heading the international wing of the board as the new chairman is keen to start lobbying to bring back international cricket to Pakistan,” the Daily Times quoted a source, as saying.

    The source also claims that Ashraf wants the board’s international wing to function effectively and is expected to give this responsibility to Subhan due to his experience in dealing with the International Cricket Council (ICC) and other boards.

    “Former Test players Salim Altaf and Majid Khan are in the run to be given the job of COO, although former Test captain Zaheer Abbas is making serious efforts to get the coveted post,” another source said. (ANI)

  82. #82 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 10:10 AM

    A khansahab

    This should interest you more than Narghus

  83. #83 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 10:14 AM


    Juries are very unpredictable, but what Aftab Gul is saying is basically that because there is no video footage of players receiving money, it means there is weak evidence against them?

    Most of the crimes that occur are not caught on CCTV or any camera.

    The way the case is being reported and the way the judge has been directing the jury makes it seem like Butt and Asif, both are guilty.

  84. #84 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 10:14 AM

    Some bloggers praise saad Shafqat But I disagree with his Assessment of Misbaaah

    Misbah is calm and composed, tactically astute and, every now and then, willing to gamble. Not long ago, Pakistani observers were convinced he could not re-enter a middle order populated by talented newcomers. Now fans are ruing the fact that he is already 37 and won’t be around for much longer

    full story isw here

  85. #85 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 10:17 AM


    Yeah, I just read that Shafqat article.

    This is the problem with Pakistan cricket fans- one match changes a defensive, unimaginative captain into a tactically astute captain.

  86. #86 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 10:19 AM


    The fact that China wants to meet Imran shows that people are thinking Imran means business.

    What do you think- will he able to win many seats in KP and Punjab and have the “LOTA” Q League and MQM making alliances with him to get the majority?

  87. #87 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 10:20 AM

    A khansahab

    I agree; Evidence does show match fixing occurred plus Amir’s confession. i think Lawyer is giving false hope to his clients. BTW even we know and agree these boys are guilty.

    Regarding shafqat’s obs about Misbaah, mr cool has won only 3 tests- 1 each against WI, SL and ZIM. They are weak teams and all of a sudden he being considered a talisman-nonsense!

    Iam glad he’s 37 and he’ll retire soon so that cricket is safe from his napaak and khudgarz approach

  88. #88 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 10:24 AM

    A khansahab

    Anything is possible in politics specially paki politics. but are you comfortable with him as a leader, I have an uneasy feeling?

    Who’s better; devil I know or the one I don’t.

    At times he looks a little spooky to me. either he’s delusional or he has some divine support.

    Something is definitely fishy or its all POOH PAAH- a bubble.

    spot on with Misbah- god one day, devil the next

  89. #89 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 10:35 AM


    What I am uncomfortable about regarding Imran is firstly that he has never criticised terrorism and extremism. This is something he has in common with the Jamaat e Islami. Even the rightist N League have criticised terrorism. We know there is a body in FATA and KP that is terrorising Muslims and there is also a body in Punjab that has carried out bomb attacks.

    Secondly, he seems not to respect the MQM mandate. He has to respect these people who are amongst the most educated and intelligent in the country. In terms of numbers they may be negligible, but in terms of education and intellect they are a considerable force and have a lot to offer to the country. This is where Imran has shown an indifferent and paindoo mindset and he needs to realise he has more to gain by these people being his friends rather than enemies.

  90. #90 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 12:03 PM

    A khansahab

    Relationship btw MQM and Imran is undergoing a transition. You might see some passive arrangements between the two. If you notice, they no longer criticize each other. Its entirely possible come election day, they’ll reach out some sort of electoral adjustment.

    he needs some votes from KP so he will support the fighters. This is all politics where you say something before election and do something post election. look at Obama; he backed out from many pledges he made prior to election like closing of guantanamo bay etc

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 31, 2011 - 3:43 PM

    According to very reliable sources, Butt and Asif will not be punished by the court of law whereas, Aamir might because he gave a confession in writing. However, the ICC is not very happy and they will impose life ban on the trio even if the court cannot punish them on technicalities. Let us see what Mr. Dhayee Fee Sud Zakat has to say on this subject. For Butt’s family it will be a good news, already his wife is going to have a baby boy tomorrow through C section. While Butt is in custody uss kay yahan buccha ho reha hai.

    This reminds me of one of the Talpurs who was in Jail with Zardari for over a couple of years and one day one of Zardar’s chamcha came and announced, Zardari Sahab mubarak ho aap kay ghar larki hoi hai! Talpur said, Yar Zardari tum baray khush kismet ho, ek tou tum jail may bhee hotay ho tou tumharay ghar may bucchay ho jaatay hain!

  92. #92 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 4:29 PM

    A khansahab

    Judge has told jury a 10-2 verdict will be enough as all members are not agreeing upon all charges.

    Details are here

  93. #93 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 4:31 PM

    This means that these guys will get separate punishments and partial convictions as they may escape some of the charges due to weak evidence. But it does look as if somehow it will be ultimately a guillty verdict on some charges.

  94. #94 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 4:43 PM

    A khansahab

    If iam not mistaken ,you have some legal background. in light of these developments, where do you see the decision going? Will these boys survive?

    If they do, then they will challenge the ICC ban in International court for arbitration in sport and will seek to get it overturned. it would be a disaster.

  95. #95 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 4:53 PM


    I am not a lawyer, but there are many considerations the Prosecution and the courts will adhere to. First is the technical criminality of the trio. Second is the public interest because this trial has received international exposure. Third is the fact that this is the first criminal trial of its kind and generally the courts would want to set a precedent and set an example for future wrongdoers.

    Asif’s case is that the captain must have been involved and some fixing has taken place. Butt’s case is that he was not involved but some fixing has taken place. I don’t see in the light of this how the jury would not want to convict them.

    The law is a strange creature and relies on rules and technicalities. My impression is that the judge is not keen on these players receiving “not guilty” verdicts. That is how the case has been reported, though and we know how the media tries to spice things up.

    If I were to follow the press reporting I would say that Asif and Butt would be found guilty. However, bear in mind the evidence of Geoff Lawson and Zakir Khan of PCB who have supported Butt.

    Everyone knows they are guilty but will technicalities rescue them?

    The criminal justice system is not a perfect system, but its supporters claim it is the best system. And that is why it remains unchanged.

  96. #96 by Ali Ahad on October 31, 2011 - 5:26 PM

    I really don’t understand that why a tecnicality can save these two, I mean the trio along with their agent were charged, Aamir and Mazhar plea guilty shouldn’t the other two get charged automatically for the same offence. As far as the evidence given by Lawson and Qadir shouldn’t come into play because greed can change anyone’s character if they think they can get away with it. As far as Zakir Khan is saying that PCB was giving money niki butt to stay away from ICL he is lying, ICL was folded in 2009 and niki butt has already signed up for IPL and feauted for Kolkata Knight Riders, some one should ask Zakir Khan that how come Salman is getting payments to stay away from a league that was ended in 2009 ? and isn’t there is a clause in IPL that you cannot signed for any other cricket league of a country if the respective country cricket board hasn’t endorse it.

    Also, why PCB is posting coaching jobs for WICB

  97. #97 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 6:02 PM

    Ali Ahad

    Iam not a lawyer but I have observed a few trials. The law works under the premise that innocent is not guilty until prosecution proves him guilty. The onus is on prosecution to prove guilt; its not on the accused to prove his innocence. if evidence has loopholes, an accused can get exonerated..

    You have raised a very valid point about ICL. it seems PCB is supporting these crooks and trying to get them free. Apparently, it seems that there is consensus within jury on some charges but not all charges. If thats the case, I think prosecution would be disappointed as this would mean a lesser sentence. IMO, ICC will also be not happy if these guys get a partial conviction.

    Definitely the court wants to set a precedence as its a novel case. Lets see what happens. a decision looks likely tomorrow.

  98. #98 by tom on October 31, 2011 - 6:05 PM

    A khansahab

    Pakistani system always protects the corrupt. look how PCB is trying to save their 2 brokers. And the poor innocent guy mostly gets in trouble here. this is pathetic.

  99. #99 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 6:25 PM

    Ali Ahad

    LOL, looks like PCB wants some commission from WICB if they get any offers 😉

    Golmaal hai bhai sab golmaal hai

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 31, 2011 - 6:38 PM

    In response to Dr. Saad Shafqat’s article on cricinfo, I wrote him an email. Which is as follows: Please also read his response below that.

    Misbah cool and astute?


    [Available] Javed Khan to shafqat

    show details 12:08 (2 hours ago)


    I think you have given too much and undue importance to Misbah, his captaincy and his calm demeanor, in other words you too have praised him as a successful captain. The fact is Misbah is a very negative player and he has on his own never won a single match for Pakistan au contraire Pakistan has lost a couple of very important matches because of his negative tactics and his antics i.e., when he played stupid shots at the wrong time.

    What Pakistan needs is a young captain and not a 37 year old slow coach. Afridi was doing well but, there are so many factors (including mutiny and match fixing plus his own Akhroat brain) that created a chaos and a vacuum in the team. The whole team is full of mediocre players and not a single one can be regarded as a dependable player not even Younus Khan, he is no more a Mr. dependable like Javed Miandad, Inzamam, Mohammad Yousuf. In the last match, the way he played a shot to reach his 50 was an indication that he was not interested in staying on the crease any more and that was when I said, he will be out soon and he was.

    Taufeeq Umar scored a double ton and got a license to kill for at least 10 matches, look at his scores after that? Junaid Khan is being compared with Mohammed Aamir, this is complacency Aamir is definitely a very good bowler whereas, Junaid is a mediocre. By praising Aamir I am not suggesting he should be pardoned, to set an example for the future players he needs to be punished at par with the other two.

    I don’t understand why and how Shoaib Malik keeps coming back in the team and Kaman Akmal keeps blabbing and bragging about his return to the national team? I am glad that his younger brother was dropped and that is a good message for him. Also, why is the board giving such biased treatment to Danish Kaneria? Just because he is a Hindu? He is one of the finest spinners Pakistan has produced. Thanks to Kamran Akmal who ruined not only his career but also that of Mohammad Sami and even dropped dozens of catches of Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Akhtar’s bowling and why shouldn’t they be not mad at him?

    I am not trying to be disrespectful to your views, I have always liked them and respected them but, like you have said before you have to be a little careful in your writings (like you mentioned about Tendulkar) I am also not pleased with the appointment of the new PCB Chairman who has so much on his plate and that too a lot of controversies and I wonder how he will handle the mess left by Mr. Ijaz Butt?

    Thanks and regards


    from saad.shafqat
    to “javedalikhan
    date 31 October 2011 12:24
    subject Re: Misbah cool and astute?

    Important mainly because of your interaction with messages in the conversation. Interesting points. Please post them on the Cricinfo website.

    Saad Shafqat

  101. #101 by JAVED A. KHAN on October 31, 2011 - 6:42 PM

    Saad Shafqat’s advise that I must write on cricinfo. Perhaps he is not aware that cricinfo seldom approve our comments, so there is no point wasting time in writing on any of the cricinfo blogs.

    I do exchange emails with Mr. Shafqat and sometimes he writes on our blog here.

  102. #102 by Aatma-hathya on October 31, 2011 - 11:19 PM

    Javed A Khan

    You wrote a good email and it was good of Shafqat to reply.

  103. #103 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 1, 2011 - 8:00 AM

    “We will continue to play aggressive cricket: Mohsina.”

    Just look at this statement from our darling Mohsina, she is saying “We will continue to play…..” As if they have been playing aggressive cricket? With Misbah as the negative captain and new players who are not sure about their place in the next match are trying to cement their spot by playing slowest and dumbest cricket is wowing that “WE will continue to play…” Array idiot, you should have removed the word CONTINUE from that idiotic sentence of yours because the team is not playing aggressive cricket but negative and slow cricket, you are lucky that SL played badly and lost. Angrezi nahee aati tou Urdu may bol, par bol tou sahee!

  104. #104 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 10:40 AM

    This man Tom, he enjoying himself why not

    The Lal Masjid guy who ran away in Burqa has been acquitted in the 4 cases that were registered against him.

    But, please read the comments by Express Tribune readers (below the article) and how they are speaking against extremism. It seems the Lal Masjid guys are not as popular as one might think:

  105. #105 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 10:42 AM

    Chairman Selection Committee Mohd Alyas has met Chairman PCB. According to sources they did not discuss Afridi but Alyas said that, provided Afridi is “cleared” by the PCB, he “may” be considered for selection.

  106. #106 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 11:13 AM

    Next retirement will be my last: Afridi

    Former Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi has confirmed that the change in leadership at the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) was the reason behind his decision to reverse his retirement.

    Afridi retired in protest after he was stripped of captaincy following the tour of the West Indies earlier this year. A reported rift with then-coach Waqar Younis and the former PCB chairman Ijaz Butt also came into the spotlight. Speaking ahead of the Hong Kong Cricket Sixes event, which starts today, Afridi said the change of leadership at the PCB paved the way for his return.

    I stopped playing because of Butt,” said Afridi. “He has gone now and I am back. I am fit and want to play. The next time I retire will be the last time.”

    Afridi added that the new chairman gave hope to the embattled side and took a swipe at the ‘old man’ he replaced.

    “The new chairman’s impressive. He’s run a lot of companies, so he knows how to manage people and I hope it will be a good change. Butt was poor during his tenure. If you look at the things that happened, it’s clear he didn’t do a good job. I think he needs to have some rest – he is in his seventies – he is an old man.”

    Following Afridi’s decision to retire, the PCB said that he had breached a code of conduct by announcing his retirement and levelling allegations against the board. In response, Afridi launched legal proceedings against the PCB, which were reportedly settled out of court.

    The affair was the latest in a line of damaging episodes to dog Pakistani cricket, the most serious being allegations of spot-fixing during last year’s England tour which are currently being heard by a London court.

    Afridi also said he hoped the conclusion of a trial relating to spot-fixing allegations, involving internationals Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif, would allow Pakistan to step out of the shadow of the scandal.

    “Whatever the outcome, it will be an example to our youngsters. It’s time to leave the issue behind.”

    Afridi plays in an All-Star team at this weekend’s event alongside former Sri Lanka batsman-turned-politician Sanath Jayasuriya and South African Herschelle Gibbs.

  107. #107 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 11:16 AM

    If this had happened in Karachi everyone in Pakistan would be blaming MQM and it would have made headlines. But, because it has happened in Lahore barely anyone knows about it.

    Gunmen attack PTI office

    LAHORE – Unidentified gunmen fired shots at the office of PTI situated at Outfall Road in the provincial capital on Monday damaging some window panes of the office, while PTI activists escaped the attack unhurt.
    Confirming the attack on party office,PTI Punjab general secretaryDr Yasmin Rashid said elements fearing the growing popularity of the PTI after its successful October 30 moot could be involved in the harassing incident. However, she added that PTI activists could not be deterred from continuing their struggle under the leadership of Imran Khan for bringing a change in the country. The police authorities, denying the firing incident at PTI office at Outfall Road, said the investigations were underway.

  108. #108 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 11:22 AM

    A khansahab

    due to puacity of time, I havent checked the tribune article. but 2 aspects you have to consider

    1. public doesnt have sympathy for these two mullahs but for many innocent students killed.

    2. desecration of holy books eg manuscripts of Quran and Hadith were burnt.

    you might argue that maulvis were agt fault. yes, its not that what they did was condonable. but what the govt did was also not acceptable

    secondly, 15-20% of paki population are net users and 10% do blogging .They dont represent views of masses.

    ill discuss in detail later but check out this Zakat


  109. #109 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 11:46 AM


    The public should not have sympathy for the idiot students who were old enough to know that receiving training in using weapons and suicide vests is haram.

    No country in the world would let terrorists fire on its troops and not fire back in order to protect holy books. Preservation of life is more important than preservation of holy books.

    The extremists who have bombed mosques and schools whom anti Musharraf people have sympathy with; how many holy sites and books must they have destroyed?

    These are just double standards and excuses to glorify extremism and Mullahgiri.

    The 15-20% of Pakistanis who use the internet may not represent the masses, but they do represent the educated class whereas the 80% who do not have internet are largely rural minded and uneducated.

  110. #110 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 11:51 AM

    I was reading an excerpt from Rashid Latif’s interview from 2007 when he expressed surprise and disappointment over the selection of Misbah ul Haq. He said that young players should be given a chance ahead of Misbah.

    How true Rashid’s words seem 4 years later….

  111. #111 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 11:53 AM

    Butt and Asif found guilty

    Salman Butt, the former Pakistan captain, has been found guilty of two offences – conspiracy to accept corrupt payments, and conspiracy to cheat – while his team-mate, the fast bowler, Mohammad Asif, has been found guilty of conspiracy to cheat.

    The decision was reached on the 20th day of the trial at Southwark Crown Court, and required 16 hours of deliberation from the 12-man jury. Verdicts were reached on three of the four charges, with a hung jury returned for the charge of Asif’s acceptance of corrupt payments.

  112. #112 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 11:54 AM

    I was saying that the jury are likely not to have sympathy for the Pakistani cricketers and the way the judge was directing them, made it seem like guilty verdicts would be delivered.

    Justice is served.

    Shame on the PCB, shame on these MF cricketers who have brought disgrace to the cricket world and to Pakistan.

  113. #113 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 12:26 PM

    Butt and Asif convicted of conspiracy to cheat

    Nov 1 (Reuters) – Pakistan cricketers Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif were found guilty on Tuesday of fixing part of a test match against England last year.

    Former captain Butt and opening bowler Asif were convicted of conspiracy to cheat at London’s Southwark Crown Court, the Press Association reported.

    The jurors also found Butt guilty of conspiracy to accept corrupt payments but have not yet reached a verdict on whether Asif was guilty of the same charge.

    Butt now faces up to seven years in jail or a fine.

  114. #114 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 12:29 PM

    How tragic

    Salman Butt’s boy was born a few moments ago, just hours after the jury announced the verdict.

    I think the judge will show him some clemency in the sentencing after hearing this.

  115. #115 by Ali Ahad on November 1, 2011 - 2:03 PM

    I call this ‘Khus kum Jahan Pak’, can they appeal against the verdicts? I hope not. Pakistan cricket should dust them off and move forward. What is going to happen with Aamir, I read that he was suppose to appear in couple of days

    And why Mr. Ashraf is holding a farewell for this smelly old rotten Butt, I mean hasn’t he done enough for cricket and PCB. I hope he hasn’t spread any venom against Lala.

  116. #116 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 1, 2011 - 3:18 PM

    Ali Ahad, it is called Chor ka Bhai Giroh-cut, so is he. And, you are right Pakistan should not look back and let these culprits pay the price. Sending them to Jail would be a better example than imposing fines, these MF’s have a lot of money and huge properties they will manage to pay the fines. But, to set an example they must be jailed.

    Only a couple of days ago I mentioned a few names of our regular bloggers and I missed out yours, thanks for coming back and contributing on the blog. Keep writing and stay in touch.

  117. #117 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 3:49 PM

    ICC will consider investigating Kamran Akmal and Wahab Riaz

    The ICC will consider new corruption investigations into Kamran Akmal and Wahab Riaz in light of the spot fixing trial in London.

    Alan Peacock, an ACSU senior investigator, is liaising with Scotland Yard officers to gather all the files from their investigation and the criminal trial.

    They will be reviewed by anti-corruption chiefs to see whether any new evidence has come to light which warrants a formal inquiry into Akmal, Riaz and other players allegedly linked to the racket.

    However The Cricketer can reveal that potentially critical files were lost after police failed to search the offices of Mazhar Majeed, the agent at the centre of the conspiracy.

    The court heard that Majeed fobbed off police officers when they arrested him by claiming he did not have the keys to his office in Croydon, south London, because it was being renovated. Majeed then secretly organized for confidential files to be removed from the office and destroyed, it is believed, including a filing cabinet of accounts and documents marked “Pakistan team”. The material could have been crucial in following the money trial of the fixing racket.

    Majeed told an undercover journalist there were seven players he “controlled” – Salman Butt, Mohammad Amir, Mohammad Asif, Kamran and Umar Akmal, Wahab Riaz and Imran Farhat.

  118. #118 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 3:51 PM

    BBC’s Aleem Maqbool reports from Lahore on reaction to the UK court verdict.

    The West just wants to destroy the image of Pakistan,” says Zahim, a cricket fan eating at a restaurant outside Lahore’s Gaddafi Stadium.

    “I think the Indians are involved too. We need to get to the real truth.”

    In the coming days many others, including some in the media, will say they too feel Pakistani cricketers have been unfairly victimised.

    During these difficult times for Pakistan denial is often a handy way of cloaking abject disappointment, humiliation and a sense of betrayal in so many facets of life, including cricket.

    When pushed, most will acknowledge that some of their former heroes must have been engaged in corruption, and that they feel angry because of it.

    “What these guys have done, this involvement in betting, has blackened Pakistan’s name,” says Najam, another fan.

    “They also put the whole nation through the shock. They must be punished and punished severely.”
    ‘Sordid business’

    To understand how much it has hurt Pakistanis you have to first understand what the game means to people here.

    Perhaps more than any other country, cricket has played a role in representing Pakistan on the world stage. In the past, their cricketers have given Pakistanis pride and the sport has united this often disparate nation.

    Last year, after the worst floods in the country’s history and after a spate of bomb attacks, the cricket scandal arguably dealt as severe a blow as any to the morale of the nation.

    “I’ve felt deeply let down by the scandals we have seen,” says Shehryar Khan, who was chairman of Pakistan’s cricket board between 2003 and 2006.

    He says it has been a poor reflection of society here.

    “Look at life in Pakistan and what do you see?” he says. “You see corruption, you see people trying to make money overnight and unfortunately what the cricketers see around them is responsible for their behaviour.”

    Shehryar Khan says the fact that many of the players are from under-privileged backgrounds has had a hand in some of them taking the huge sums of money on offer for cheating.

    But he also says that the team management have to take some of the blame for not nurturing the players properly and for allowing corruption to take place under their noses.

    “They handled the issue very badly,” he says. “They left cricketers thinking they could do something wrong, they could even get caught, but through influence or public opinion they could get out of it.

    “Pakistan has to start with a clean slate, with discipline, and move in a direction that is far, far removed from this sordid business.”

  119. #119 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 3:52 PM

    Zaka hosts farewell for Ijaz Butt

    LAHORE: The new Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Zaka Ashraf on Monday hosted a farewell reception for former PCB chief Ijaz Butt at the National Cricket Academy.

    Senior PCB management gathered to felicitate Ijaz who completed his 3-year tenure as chairman on Oct 8.

    The farewell ceremony commenced with the signing of a formal handing over from Ijaz Butt to new chairman Zaka Ashraf.

    In his speech on the occasion, outgoing chairman Ijaz said: “I would like to thank the President of Pakistan and Patron-in-Chief of the PCB Asif Ali Zardari for his support throughout my term. I am sure that my friend and successor Zaka Ashraf will receive the same support.”

    Later, Zaka Ashraf thanked Ijaz for his contribution to Pakistan cricket. “I am grateful to Ijaz Butt for his valuable contribution to Pakistan cricket.

    “He has done an excellent job despite facing many challenges and I wish to pay tribute to his services for the game.”

  120. #120 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 4:38 PM

    What they said as a reaction to the spot fixing verdict- see how Zaheer Abbas’s comment lacks depth and anything noteworthy:

    A few years ago when the Justice Qayuum report announced its verdict, served us with a warning and cautioned the PCB, nothing was done about it. That’s not the fault of the Justice Qayuum committee. I don’t think this verdict will make a difference to Pakistan or international cricket. If some players are out of the Pakistan team, others will take their place.
    Rashid Latif, the former Pakistan wicketkeeper

    I am sad about what has happened because it involves sportsmen, but at the same time I think justice has been done because if you do something wrong you pay the price. I just feel sad for Pakistan cricket as well, because cricketers are not supposed to be associated with crime and corruption. But I think in a way it is good for Pakistan and world cricket as it should serve as a deterrent to others.
    Zaheer Abbas, the former Pakistan captain

    “I think the PCB should have played a more pro-active role last year when the issue came up and brought the players back to Pakistan immediately and tried them under our code of conduct. They should not have let the matter go into the hands of the ICC. It is shameful that today Pakistan cricket is facing such a day, but this is what happens when you don’t react quickly enough to fight corruption.
    Aamer Sohail, the former Pakistan captain

    It is a very disappointing and sad day for us in one way, for the players and for Pakistan cricket to be caught up in criminal proceedings. But they did something wrong and they had to pay the price for it. As manager, I had spoken to all the players on that tour and had talked about focusing on cricket and keeping their eye on the ball, but in the case of some, they didn’t.

    I think the impact of the entire incident has already been felt months ago, when the case first came up, when the players were banned by the ICC. What is required now is to forget everything and move ahead. These things have happened in the past and the game has moved on. India had its own case and banned its players. The biggest jolt has already happened for Pakistan cricket and it could not get worse.

    But we have recovered from this and the team is doing well, I don’t think the verdict will hurt the team now, there is no shortage of talent in Pakistan. We had good players who could replace the players involved in this case and they have done so. We just want the team to keep doing well now.
    Yawar Saeed, who was Pakistan’s team manager on the 2010 tour of England when the spot-fixing scandal broke

    This verdict is the best example for the world of cricket because, in the past, cricketers who were corrupt would get away with what they did and be spared; they were never caught. Now the entire legal process has taken the full course and we have to give credit to the English prosecution and the court proceedings. They were able to use all the evidence and all the technology they had to be able to complete this case and make it an example for cricket in the future.

    The impact of the Qayuum report lasted only a few months because the boards who knew that their players were up to something were insecure, they tried to bury it under the carpet, they decided to push for victories on the field, distract the public and not tackle the issue at hand. I hope the impact of this lasts for a long time and that boards take responsibility to see what is happening.

    The damage to Pakistan cricket, to its credibility, had already been done when the news of this case first broke. We have lost some of our best cricketers and I hope that this sends a message out to upcoming players that these short-cut methods to earn a quick buck can cost you respect and your career. No matter how much money you make quickly, it vanishes and so does the rest of your life.
    Khalid Mehmood, the former PCB chairman and ombudsman for the Punjab government

  121. #121 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 4:43 PM

    Pre-Trial Statement by Mohammad Amir’s Barrister

    Due to reporting restrictions, Amir’s plea could not previously be disclosed. However, we can now disclose the full statement from Amir’s barrister read out by him in an earlier pre-trial hearing.

    Ben Emmerson QC, told the court “Amir wants to make it clear he wants to take full responsibility for what he did by deliberately bowling two no-balls.”

    He continued “This vulnerable 18-year-old boy, as he was then, was subjected to extreme pressure from those upon whom he should have been able to rely. He recognises the damage he has caused Pakistan cricket and he wishes to do his best to put that right.”

  122. #122 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 4:47 PM

    Mazher Mahmood

    The veteran undercover journalist with the News of the World pulled off one of his most ambitious stings when he exposed rampant corruption in world cricket.

    Mr Mahmood, best known for adopting the persona of a ‘fake sheikh’, pretended to be a wealthy Indian businessman planning a cricket tournament in the Middle East to gain Majeed’s trust.

    The conversation soon turned to match-fixing and the reporter secretly recorded the agent boasting about how he had made huge amounts by rigging games with some of Pakistan’s top players.

    In order to prove he was for real, the journalist had to hand over £150,000 in cash to Majeed – the largest amount the News of the World ever paid to the subject of an investigation.

    Mr Mahmood, who has faced death threats from groups in Pakistan since breaking the story, insisted on having his identity screened from the public in court as a condition for giving evidence to the trial.

  123. #123 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 4:48 PM

    Umpires, administrators too fix matches: Modi

    NEW DELHI: Former IPL commissioner Lalit Modi on Tuesday accused umpires and administrators of the game of being involved in match-fixing, shortly after a London court found banned Pakistan Test captain Salman Butt and pacer Mohammad Asif guilty in the spot-fixing scandal.

    “It’s not only Players That fix matches – Sometimes there are Umpires Too in connivance with Administrators. Again..these reports are buried,” Modi wrote in his twitter page.

    A 12-member jury found Butt, 27, guilty of conspiracy to accept corrupt payments and conspiracy to cheat, while Asif, 28, was convicted of charge of conspiracy to cheat in one of the biggest scandals that rocked cricket last year.

    “It is worst form of corruption. It makes everything else look Pale.

    People remotely assisting – match / Spot Fixing or People Preventing the information from coming out are equally to blame for this menace,” Modi tweeted.

  124. #124 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 5:08 PM

    Hullo Khansahab

    yes, justice is served. But Im not entirely happy. Its good that this verdict will curb match fixing but I feel sorry for the new born. anyway, I hope that these guys realise their folly and become better human beings as it looks highly unlikely they’ll play cricket.

    Its good tp read suckmal’s being investigated. he is the biggest scum and needs to be leashed.

  125. #125 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 5:36 PM

    A khansahab

    Response to comment 109

    I’ll apply a retrospect approach to your point of view. although I disagree with your view that these people deserved such treatment and some of the other points you mentioned but for a moment lets put all this on one side. Ill discuss that later.

    As far as i understand ,you say that 20% educated lot is more important than 80% illiterate. Fine!

    Sir the fundamental question that arises here is- dire need for reform or not.

    obviously, things have to go beyond what you say. If a system has 80% inefficiency, it needs to be fine tuned. But to fix a system, you need access. How you get that access?

    Either as a leader, policy maker or a revolutionary.

    now if you dont appeal to 80% of the lot, what prospects you have of getting access.

    IMO, your views wont permeate through the 80%. You might feel very very rational but this world is not about rationality or logic; its about capturing the masses so as to bring a change.

    whomsoever seeks a change, must incorporate this sizeable chunk.

    ultimately what you need is leadership who understands this situation. just look at the situation in Pakistan right now, look at all the prospective candidates who may win next elections or are able to communicate with masses (anna hazare sort of people who talk about change but are not politicians).

    what do you see; whom do you think is winning the race.

    you need people who harmonise with 80% yet also appeal to the educated 20%.

    now if 80% feel red mosque was not the right thing to do, you cant just ignore them. you should realise this situation and try to solve such problems in a manner which doesnt isolate such a massive electorate. Thats what quality leadership is all about. you cant just impose your agendas coz you think you are right all the time.

    If 20 % hold you in high position, this doesnt mean you should ignore the 80%. you have to capture them. This is where pakistan stands today and I would appreciate if you approach this discussion with these facts in mind otherwise you may appeal to an individual but you wont be able to resonate in public.

    This treatise implicitly addresses many questions and likewise answers many them.

  126. #126 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 5:40 PM

    A Khansahab

    just got an sms


    i told you these guys are upto something.

  127. #127 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 5:54 PM


    I was referring more to what is ideal rather than practical when discussing the Lal Masjid issue.

    But to celebrate the Mullahs as heroes- irrespective of how practical or in tune with the masses that might be, I don’t see how that can improve the situation.

    By the way, I have never heard Imran say anything about Lal Masjid. I wonder why?

    If one adopts Imran’s approach to try and appeal to the uneducated and educated at the same time, who will that person ultimately favour?

    If the Lal Masjid guys had ended up killing people or causing damage to Islamabad in some way, how would you have felt then?

    Leadership is about taking swift action and eliminating the root of the problem. The people in the Masjid were armed, they were anti government and they were only a few miles away from the capital.

    You can’t adopt a reactive approach when this happens. You can’t trust religious zealots because as we have seen in Pakistan for the last 10 years or so, they are capable of doing anything. You saw that with Salman Taseer.

    Much of the Pakistani public supports Mumtaz Qadri. Does it mean the court should let him go as a free man in order to keep the masses happy?

    Lal Masjid taught the extremists a lesson that they just can’t occupy some land with weapons and dictate their terms.

  128. #128 by Ali Ahad on November 1, 2011 - 6:07 PM

    I was looking for some old pakistan cricket videos and I ran into this one….it is hilarious

  129. #129 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 6:15 PM

    Sorcerer executed by Saudi Arabia

    Saudi Arabia’s government should establish an immediate moratorium on executions in the kingdom, Amnesty International said today after a Sudanese man convicted of “sorcery” was put to death.

    Abdul Hamid bin Hussain bin Moustafa al-Fakki was beheaded in Madina on Monday. Saudi Arabia has now executed 44 people this year. Eleven were foreign nationals.

    “Abdul Hamid’s execution is appalling as is Saudi Arabia’s continuing use of this most cruel and extreme penalty,” said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International’s Director for the Middle East and North Africa.

    “That he should have been executed without having committed anything that would appear to constitute a crime is yet another deeply upsetting example of why the Saudi Arabian government should immediately cease executions and take steps to abolish the death penalty.”

    The crime of “sorcery” is not defined in Saudi Arabian law but it has been used to punish people for the legitimate exercise of their human rights, including their right to freedom of expression.

    Abdul Hamid bin Hussain bin Moustafa al-Fakki was arrested in 2005 after he was entrapped by a man working for the Mutawa’een (religious police) who asked him to produce a spell that would lead to the man’s father leaving his second wife.

    It was alleged that Abdul Hamid said he would do this in exchange for 6,000 Saudi Arabian riyals (approximately US$1,600).

    Reportedly beaten after his arrest, Abdul Hamid is believed to have been coerced to confess to carrying out acts of sorcery.

    He was sentenced to death by the General Court in Madina in March 2007. Few details are available about his trial but he is reported to have been tried behind closed doors and without legal representation.

    Amnesty International campaigned on Abdul Hamid’s behalf following his arrest and had urged Saudi Arabia’s King ‘Abdullah to prevent his execution.

    Since the end of the holy month of Ramadan a few weeks ago, the Saudi Arabian authorities have resumed executions at an alarming pace.

    Seven people are known to have been put to death since executions resumed on 5 September, bringing the total executed so far this year to at least 44. In 2010 a total of 27 people were executed.

    Two weeks ago Syrian national, Karim Ruslan Al-Ruslan was executed in the Jouf Region for smuggling drugs into the kingdom.

    Around 140 prisoners are believed to be facing the death penalty in Saudi Arabia.

    Last December, Saudi Arabia was one of a minority of states that voted against a UN general assembly resolution calling for the worldwide moratorium on executions.

  130. #130 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 6:17 PM

    Ali Ahad

    I have seen it. Yeah, it’s funny- they have also done other versions of this apart from the Tendulkar one.

  131. #131 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 6:29 PM

    A khansahab

    very true- your pov was idealistic rather than practical.

    i intentionally changed the theme and I do appreciate you acknowledge that.

    Sir the mullahs you are refering to are not fighting elections or are interested in popularity or about reform. They will do their job- positive or negative.

    was it a coincidence I got the sms just after posting that comment or something serious is about to happen.

    imran is employing an approach where he appeals to all types of people- very crafty.

    Your comment 89 about Imran reflects his position about red mosque.

    Khansahab courts are meant to arbitrate; they dont reform. Have you ever heard of a judge or qazi reforming society via courts. Jude wants to be the first one and he has miserably failed.

    I would have felt bad if people in Islamabad were killed innocently whether they were inside or outside the mosque just like I feel bad about the new born now.

    khansahab bottom line is you have to take the masses into confidence and thats where you see difference btw ordinary and quality leaders. dont you want future leadership who can galvanize the whole society and gel it into a cohesive uniot rather than a fragmented lot.

    P.S : another aspect of this discussion is that even 60% 0f educated lot has certain tendencies like the 80%. See how people are reacting to butt’s verdict ; some even claiming that its all a conspiracy.

  132. #132 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:06 PM

  133. #133 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:08 PM


    Abraham Lincoln was a genius. These are some of his quotes. His views on government and democracy are second to none. Through my experiences in life I can relate to many things he talks about:

    I walk slowly, but I never walk backward.

    In the end, it’s not the years in your life that count. It’s the life in your years.

    It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.

    The ballot is stronger than the bullet.

    The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend.

    The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.

    The way for a young man to rise is to improve himself in every way he can, never suspecting that anybody wishes to hinder him.

    Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm.

  134. #134 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:17 PM

    A khansahab


    Some I found and would like to share

    No man is good enough to govern another man without that man’s consent

    Nearly all men can stand adversity; but if you want to test a man, give him power

    Tact is the ability to describe others as they saee themselves

  135. #135 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:21 PM


    And this is another great thinker- Aristotle. My friend Sagaat used to mention this quote about the mark of an educated mind. He also talks about the middle class and here he is taking a pro MQM stance ;):

    A friend to all is a friend to none.

    Democracy arose from men’s thinking that if they are equal in any respect, they are equal absolutely.

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

    It is not enough to win a war- it is more important to organise the peace.

    No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness.

    Personal beauty is a greater recommendation than any letter of reference.

    The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes.

  136. #136 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:24 PM


    Benjamin Disraeli:

    There was never a bad peace or a good war

  137. #137 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:25 PM

    A khansahab

    Some quotes by figure; inspirational stuff ive always found his sayings to be

    If you shut the door to all errors, truth will be shut out.

    We gain freedom when we have paid the full price.

    You can’t cross the sea merely by standing and staring at the water

  138. #138 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:27 PM

    Sorry in comment 137 personality’s name is tagore; where is your mate sagaat? you mention him sometimes

  139. #139 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:29 PM


    I think he got upset over my Tendulkar defending and has left in protest.

    I meant no offence and I hope he comes back soon.

  140. #140 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:32 PM



    The strength of a nation derives from the integrity of the home

  141. #141 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:36 PM


    Edgar Allan Poe:

    Science has not yet taught us if madness is or is not the sublimity of the intelligence.

  142. #142 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:36 PM

    Well, I did read some of that stuff. It was quite… sizzling!

    These things do happen khansahab. theyve happened with me and I know they will again although I now feel Iam a little better at handling them. Same like short pitched bowling- practice makes you better.

    Well you do defend tedulkar better than he defends his wkt. Actually patriotism compels people on both sides to be very sensitive to such issues, i mean Indians and pakistanis.

  143. #143 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:37 PM


    I am not Indian.

    If that is the impression I have been giving then I can only say that it is a beautiful reflection of my unbiased mentality.

  144. #144 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:40 PM


    Ernest Hemingway:

    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.

  145. #145 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:42 PM


    i know youre not- perhaps your thinking is a little different than conventional paki thinking.

    the thing is pakis cant stand praise of indians and indians cant stand paki praise.

  146. #146 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:45 PM

    G.K Chesterton (no idea who he is):

    To be clever enough to get all that money, one must be stupid enough to want it.

  147. #147 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:50 PM

    HG Wells:

    Advertising is legalised lying.

    Our true nationality is mankind.

  148. #148 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:52 PM

    More from Tagore

    The truth comes as conqueror only because we have lost the art of receiving it as guest.

    All the great utterances of man have to be judged not by the letter but by the spirit — the spirit which unfolds itself with the growth of life in history.

    Bigotry tries to keep truth safe in its hand with a grip that kills it

  149. #149 by Aatma-hathya on November 1, 2011 - 8:53 PM


    I got some more which I will write later…..

    Anyway nice chatting

    take care

  150. #150 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:55 PM

    A khansahab

    Quote from tom the thunderstorm

    Shaadi na karna yaaro pachtao ge sari life

    who the hell is he? (hehehe..)

  151. #151 by tom on November 1, 2011 - 8:56 PM

    My pleasure!


  152. #152 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 1, 2011 - 11:31 PM

    I don’t agree with ABE’s first quote: I walk slowly but I never walk backward.

    In everyone’s life there is a time that one has to go backward i.e., in order to go forward you need to go backward.

    For e.g., you come to a dead end, you have to go backward in order to go forward.

    In your car there is a reverse gear, how many times do you drive in reverse gear? Only a few times, i.e., when you are stuck and you have to go forward (for e.g., when you are in a garage or at a dead end or, on the wrong road). So one should never say I never go backward.

    Even in your mind you go backward to think about what you have learned and that helps you to find out ways to go forward.
    The world or the Universe is not a straight line __________________________ that you don’t plan to go backward. It is round and circular, so we all go round and backward without even realizing, the solar system works that way.

    As regards his choice of walking slowly one can relate it to the rabbit and tortoise story but, the fact is it is only a story. Those who walk briskly are ahead of those who walk slowly.
    Iqbal said: Chalne walay nikal gaye hain, jo tehre zara wo kuchal gaye hain. I understand he is not talking about stagnation or staying still but, walking slowly.

    Aagay bhee jaanay na tu
    Peechay bhee jaanay na tu
    Jo bhee hai, bus yehi ek pal hai

  153. #153 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 1, 2011 - 11:42 PM


    I don’t know if you have read the essay called: “Seeing ourselves as others see us.” It was in our syllabus when I was in the school and, a few years ago I have quoted it here on this blog with reference to something and this time it is because of the last line of that quote you have mentioned above.

    Here are a couple of excerpts from that essay:

    A Nigerian girl, fresh from the noisy comes to London and when she walked in the neighbourhood, she said, “This is a city of the dead.” Because, the doors were closed and windows had curtains and there was no one on the streets, she said, back home everyone is sitting on the stairs, kids are playing on the streets and doors are open etc. etc.

    A black South African man when he came to London for the first time, he was on the street, near a underground train station and got scared when people started coming out almost running from underground and started to open their umbrellas, he thought that he was being attacked by Zulu’s with spears.

    There are a few more but, I can’t remember them now. Also, about how women squeeze a tooth paste tube and how men do? …………Iits funny that a majority of the women squeeze it from the top and men do it from the bottom.

  154. #154 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 1, 2011 - 11:48 PM


    Partners help each other undress before sex.
    However after sex, they always dress on their own.
    Moral of the story:
    In life, no one helps you once you’re screwed.


    When a lady is pregnant, all her friends touch the stomach and say “congratulations”.
    But, none of them come and touch the man’s pe*is and say “Good job”.
    Moral of the story:
    “Hard work is never appreciated”

  155. #155 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 1, 2011 - 11:54 PM


    Confucius said: If you have sex problems at night, wake up with solution in your hand.

  156. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 4:29 AM

    It is not clear about the sentence of Asif and Butt, but according to the news reported in DAWN, it says:

    The third player in the case, Mohammad Amir, was only 18 at the time of the Lord’s test and one of the hottest fast bowling prospects in world cricket. He admitted to conspiracy to cheat and conspiracy to accept corrupt payments before his teammates went on trial.

    Now 19, banned from the sport and facing a possible prison sentence, Amir’s professional career could be over.

  157. #157 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 4:35 AM

    So far, GEO NEWS has a better coverage than DAWN

    LONDON: Pakistan cricketers Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif were found guilty Tuesday of fixing parts of a Test against England in a case that has thrown the credibility of the international game into doubt.

    Former Test captain Butt, 27, and fast bowler Asif, 28, face jail after a court in London convicted them of deliberately bowling three no-balls during the Lord’s Test in August 2010 as part of a “spot-fixing” betting scam.

    The verdicts are a scalp from beyond the grave for Britain’s News of the World tabloid, which uncovered the conspiracy but was shut down by owner Rupert Murdoch this year amid a scandal over phone-hacking.

    Prosecutors alleged Butt and Asif conspired with British agent Mazher Majeed and Pakistan fast bowler Mohammad Aamer to bowl the no-balls as part of a plot that revealed “rampant corruption” at the heart of international cricket.

    Butt faces up to seven years in prison jail after the jury at Southwark Crown Court convicted him of conspiracy to obtain or accept corrupt payments, and conspiracy to cheat at gambling.

    Asif was found guilty of conspiring to accept corrupt payments in a “spot-fixing” betting scam. The 28-year-old was also found guilty by the jury at Southwark Crown Court on a separate count of conspiring to cheat at gambling. The corrupt payment charge carries a maximum sentence of seven years’ imprisonment.

    They are expected to be sentenced later this week.

    Butt and Asif had pleaded not guilty and they sat in silence in the dock as the jury delivered their verdicts, after spending nearly 17 hours in deliberations over four days.

    Majeed, 36, and Aamer, 19, were also charged with the same offences but were not standing trial alongside Butt and Asif.

    Mohammad Aamer pleaded guilty to involvement in a spot-fixing betting scam before the trial of his teammates. Aamer pleaded guilty to conspiracy to cheat and conspiracy to accept corrupt payments at a pre-trial hearing on September 16.

    In a further twist, Butt’s wife gave birth to a baby boy just 30 minutes before the verdict was delivered, his father said by telephone from Pakistan’s eastern city of Lahore. Butt already has one daughter.

    During the three-week trial the jury heard that vast sums of money could be made by rigging games for betting syndicates, particularly in South Asia, and that the problem was theatening the game of cricket.

    Mazher Mahmood, News of the World’s former investigations editor, known as the “fake sheikh” for his disguises, told the court he had approached Majeed pretending to be an Indian businessman.

    Majeed claimed he had at least six Pakistani players working for him and that it would cost between £50,000 and £80,000 ($78,000 and $125,000) to fix a “bracket”, where bets are made on incidents during a given period of play.

    But the cost of rigging a whole result was far more, at £400,000 for a Twenty20, £450,000 for a one-day international, and £1 million for Test matches, Majeed allegedly told the reporter.

    The agent was secretly filmed accepting £150,000 in cash from the journalist as part of an arrangement to bowl the no-balls, and recorded allegedly making arrangements with Butt for the no balls.

    Butt told the court he had ignored his agent’s requests to fix games and had no knowledge of the plan to bowl no balls, while admitting that he had failed in his duty to inform cricketing authorities of Majeed’s approach.

    Asif meanwhile said he had bowled a no ball at the exact time the agent had predicted to the News of the World journalist because Butt had told him to run faster moments before his delivery.

    The team’s manager during the fateful tour of England when the scam was uncovered, Yawar Saeed, said Pakistan cricket had been badly tarnished by the case.

    “I feel very sad because I tried my level best to tell them to keep away from notorious people. They should have understood that and they committed a blunder, and when you commit a blunder, you are punished,” Saeed said.

    “I’m also sad because the country’s name has been dragged into this entire controversy. Pakistan is known for its talented players but this case has stained the country’s image badly,” he added.

    The case is the worst in international cricket since that of South Africa’s Hansie Cronje a decade ago.

    Cronje was banned for life in 2000 after it was revealed he accepted money from bookmakers in a bid to influence the course of games as well as trying to corrupt his team-mates. He died in a plane crash in 2002. (AFP)

  158. #158 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 4:38 AM

    Children often bring good luck to their parents and the family, because they are God’s creation and God creates “Rizq” for everyone and the children in return brings more ‘rizq’ for their future generation. Its sad that Salman Butt had a baby boy just minutes before the verdict was announced and I can imagine how he must be feeling, especially if he is sentenced to jail for 7 years and not be able to see his son? Buray Kamo Kay Anjaam Buray. May God help others in keeping themselves away from such incidents.

  159. #159 by Mohammed Munir on November 2, 2011 - 8:35 AM

    Javed Khan …

    LOL @ Confucius said: If you have sex problems at night, wake up with solution in your hand.

    Confucius must be a ‘tharki’. 😉

    LOL @ Simple Truths 1 & 2.

    BTW, I really liked the Canadian autumn pictures you sent. These are some of the things we miss the most here. Thanks.

  160. #160 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 10:49 AM

    Afridi ready to play for Pakistan

    LAHORE: Former captain Shahid Afridi termed the meeting with Chairman Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Zaka Ashraf positive adding that they discussed various issues pertaining to the game, Geo News reported.

    The cricket star was talking to media after the meeting that took place here today. He backed the idea of PCB Chairman for having three different coaches. “Chairman’s idea of having separate coaches for each department is good and it doesn’t matter that the coach is foreign or national.”

    He said: “I am ready to play cricket either as a player or captain”. Afridi said he has told the chairman about his availability for the team.

    Shahid expressed sadness over the spot fixing scandal. This incident has badly affected the national prestige, he said.

  161. #161 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:06 AM

    Javed A Khan

    This might be a lucky charm for Butt and I am sure the judge will take his son’s birth into account when passing sentence.

    It is tragic and I feel sorry for the Butt family.

    I don’t think the courts should consider lengthy sentences for the trio because this trial was more about making an example out of them. They should get 2 years or so- the world will not forget what they have done and the damage has been done to their reputations. They will be considered worse than Salim Malik and Wasim Akram because they were sent to prison.

    The damage to Pakistanis has been done, the damage to cricket has been done and the damage to the players’ reputations has been done. So there is nothing further left that needs to be damaged and I hope the court gives them relatively short sentences so Butt can start living with his boy whilst his boy is still young enough.

  162. #162 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:12 AM

    Javed A Khan

    I can confirm that a lot of people who previously considered Aamer to be a naive and innocent boy are now criticising his crookedness when details of his involvement in spot fixing have emerged.

    This is the impression I have received reading other blogs and forums.

    It goes without saying that what we had noticed about Aamer was true, about his shrewdness and arrogance even before the spot fixing news broke out. So those idiots who must have been calling us biased have been proved wrong just like how they were proved wrong in relation to Shoaib Malik, K Akmal, Misbah, Sohail Tanvir etc.

    And of course, our reservations against Mohd Asif and Salman Butt have been proved correct as well.

    An unbiased person would now trust us and follow our observations about Pakistan cricket, but those who are biased will keep looking the other way because of their upbringing.

  163. #163 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:17 AM

    Vaughan suspects fixing in 2000 Karachi Test

    LONDON: A day after Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif were convicted for spot-fixing, former England skipper Michael Vaughan suspects that a Test match against Pakistan in 2000 might have been fixed.

    Vaughan said Pakistan had surrendered from a strong position and now he is forced to think if the home players played genuinely and even at that time the same thought crossed their minds.

    “I now look back on matches I played in and wonder if strings were being pulled behind the scenes. For instance, go back to the Test we won against Pakistan in Karachi in December 2000.

    “They collapsed from a strong position to leave us a small total to chase, which we did as night descended. It was a very surreal atmosphere and I remember feeling that there was something not right about it at the time. Was it just a dodgy wicket or were there other forces at play?,” Vaughan wrote in his column for ‘Daily Telegraph’.

    “You find yourself remembering odd incidents in other matches — moments when batsmen have run themselves out first ball or triggered collapses with ridiculous shots.”

    Vaughan said not only the no-balls at Lord’s Test in 2010 but other instances could have been influenced.

  164. #164 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:19 AM

    Disgraced former Pakistan captain Salman Butt is ‘aloof and arrogant’, says England spinner Graeme Swann

    Swann on Salman Butt:
    The way Salman Butt carried himself rubbed me up the wrong way. Aloof and arrogant are the best descriptions of him. What made my dismissal of him in the Lord’s Test all the more satisfying was that he pompously refused to leave the field despite being bowled. We knew the TV replays would confirm his fate and I really enjoyed standing in our huddle taking the mickey out of him.

  165. #165 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:20 AM

    Ijaz Butt’s remarks following yesterday’s verdict:

    “It is indeed a sad day for Pakistan cricket because our image has been tarnished but I hope this never happens again to us,” said Butt on Tuesday.

    “I am confident that this will not happen again in Pakistan cricket. The PCB took several stringent measures to ensure every player and official was aware of how to conduct themselves and stay away from corrupt people,” said Butt.

  166. #166 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 11:20 AM

    a khansahab/a javed

    nice thoughtful comments you posted about Butt and his child, specially the prayer; Aameen to the prayer.

    I agree sentence should be nominal but judge may feel he should set an example as its first of its kind for cricketers.

    Aamer will go a “Newton hearing” where he will get punishment w/o a jury. only the judge will conduct the case. He may get some leniency as he confessed his crime.

  167. #167 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:21 AM

    Guilty Butt’s family slams Pakistani media

    LAHORE: The family members of tainted Salman Butt, who is facing a possible jail term after being convicted in the spot-fixing scandal, has jumped to his defence and have accused the local media of being “unhelpful” to the former Pakistan captain.

    Butt’s sister snubbed the waiting media outside their home last night after a London criminal court on Tuesday found him and Mohammad Asif guilty of conspiracy to cheat and conspiracy to accept corrupt payments for fixing part of a Test match at Lord’s last year.

    “You should realise that you the media is not being helpful by conducting a media trial of Salman. We know our brother is innocent,” she said in a distraught voice.

    She insisted that the biased and imbalanced reporting from the Pakistani media since the spot-fixing scandal broke out last year, did not help her brother’s case.

    Butt’s mother told reporters that she had no grievances with the verdict of the jury, which found her son guilty of corruption charges.

    “What I know is that God is the one who gives Izzat (respect) and Zillat ((disgrace) to everyone. Only he knows the reasons for this. As far as I know my son, we have not brought him up in such a way that he should be corrupt. We believe he is innocent,” she said.

  168. #168 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:22 AM

    Spot fixing cricketers have done the worst thing – Dhoni

    New Delhi, Nov 2 (ANI): Indian cricket captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni said the conviction of Pakistani cricketers Mohammad Asif and Salman Butt on spot fixing charges was unfortunate and the worst thing that anyone could do to his or her country.

    “When you are representing your country, that is the worst thing you can do. So when you do the worst thing, be prepared for the worst,” said Dhoni.

  169. #169 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:28 AM

    Haider feels vindicated after spot-fixing trial

    LAHORE: Pakistan’s outcast wicketkeeper Zulqarnain Haider on Tuesday demanded that authorities check the assets of all the players, who were named by alleged bookie Mazhar Majeed during his conversation with an undercover reporter.

    Haider, who had fled the Pakistan team hotel from Dubai last November after claiming he was given death threats by a bookmaker, said he felt vindicated after hearing about the jury verdict against Salman Butt and Mohammed Asif.

    A lot of people made fun of me and called me what not. But today I feel my point is proved that there is corruption in cricket. I am not surprised by the verdict reached by the jury. Because there is definitely involvement of these players in spot-fixing and all those who try to corrupt the game should be punished,” Haider said.

  170. #170 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 11:29 AM

    a khansahab

    just got a nSMS

    british judge says Aamer’s pardon not acceptable!

  171. #171 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:30 AM

    I have been saying for a long time that Zulqernain should be taken more seriously.

    The way he played when he scored that 88- he demonstrated the grit and the fighting spirit that Pakistan was once known for. He seemed like the only player in that match who wanted Pakistan to win.

    From that day I have developed a soft spot for him because I genuinely believe he is a fighter and his reservations should have been taken more seriously by PCB.

  172. #172 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 11:32 AM

    Dull qarnain patheechar please shut up; tum har thodi dair baad paaden marte ho

  173. #173 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 11:39 AM


    Do you not believe that Haider’s life and family were threatened in Pakistan?

    I am not justifying the way he just escaped to UK in the middle of a tour, but if the British journalist Mazhar Mahmood can be threatened by some Pakistani groups (this was reported by a UK newspaper yesterday) why can’t Haider be threatened?

  174. #174 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 11:42 AM

    A khansahab

    I believed him initially; but later he came back to pk and backtracked from many of his statements. he said on umpteen occasions that he’ll blow cover of match fixers but it always turned out to be a drama; he never came out with anything meaningful. now he’s jumping on to the band wagon as many opportunists would do. still i prefer him over suckmals.

  175. #175 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    Speaking of morals and lessons, i found this interesting

    A lady went with her daughter for a checkup. The doctor after some tests told her that she was suffering from cancer

    Doc ” maam, you will live for a few months .you should better manage your affairs

    Lady left the clinic with her daughter and went to a club where she used spend time with her friends. her friends were also there . she told them ” iam suffering from AIDS and doc says ill have only a few months left”.

    Her friends felt sorry and offered words of encouragement. when they left the club , her daughter asked ” mom, doc said you had cancer. but you told them you have AIDS ,why?”

    Lady ‘ honey, your dad is fuc..n rich. I dont want these bitches to sleep with him when I die. This is what the doc meant when he said manage your affairs

    So guys moral/lesson is : Manage your affairs.

  176. #176 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 12:21 PM

  177. #177 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 1:02 PM


    When Musharraf left Pakistan it was ranked 85 on this Index, ahead of the likes of Bangladesh and Nepal that are now more prosperous economies than Pakistan.

  178. #178 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 1:11 PM

    My opinion about Zulqarnain Haider is not so good, making 88 is something else, he may have shown his grit and determination but, the way he handled his affairs is pathetic and he kept talking about letting the cat outta bag, that never happened and he speaks only when something comes up through the media. He may not be a part of the scheme, but he is a ch2ya and a blabber. Regarding his life being threatened, I don’t give a shyte to such threats, I mean when he fled to London, what for? Dubai Shurtas take such threats more seriously and in Dubai forget about killing someone, even manhandling someone is not easy. Even when there was a high profile murder, they uncovered the truth and exposed everyone involved in it. And, if there was a threat, do you think it is over by now? And, who would give a threat Mazhar Majeed? MM himself is a big ch2So4 what can he do? Even the underworld big DONS have not been able to execute their threats in Dubai, it is easy to harm someone in London and in Pakistan but not in Dubai.

  179. #179 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 1:26 PM


    ON our V-yen and farsightedness about players like, Malik, Misbah, Khatmals, Butts, Tanvir, Aamir etc., I know and I remember when we criticized these players for their attitude, behaviour and the quality of their game people thought we are crazy, biased, bay-qay-yoof (that’s how my niece pronounce baywaqoof) and what not. It takes them some time to realize and understand what we are talking about because, not everyone is blessed with such qualities, even those who are they simply don’t want to say it because, they don’t want to throw a stone in a beehive or get single out. Whereas, we are blunt, straightforward and we don’t care about what people would think, because it is our opinion and that is due to our interest in the game and we regularly watch, follow and analyzing the game, the players and their performance hence, we have a better understand than others, it is as simple as that, we are not superhuman or from Mars and we don’t have to be a so-called “Ex-Great” you can see how our EX greats like Zaheer AbASS, Seem Chakram, Pukka Youna etc., behave, comment and then change their comments like a chameleon.

    Have we not been criticizing, especially Sagaat and I that Tendulkar plays more for his records than for the country? After this UK series a lot of people have started to think on the same lines as us and that, video of Hitler/Tendulkar also confirms that a lot of people are believing in what we have been saying. Only you defend him like Hitler, may be one day you will change your mind like Hitler. 😀 Now, please don’t start a new debate on this because I am only pulling your leg, Your stance on Tendulkar’s technicality or whatever will not change, but I don’t see any genius in him.

  180. #180 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 1:47 PM


    Pass Aye tou bikhar jaye ga Afsoon (jadoo) sara
    Dooor hee dooor say suntay reho shehnai ko

    When you listen to the tunes of Shehnai from a distance it is very sweet and very melodious but, when you come very close or, if you are in the front seat, it is not so pleasant to the ears, kaan kay parday hee nahee balkay sofay bhee phutt jaatay hain.

    There is another Hum Wazan Sher:

    Faasla Chaand bana deta hai har patthar ko
    Dooor ki Roshni Nazdeek tou aanay say rehi

    The point is, indeed Canadian Fall and Spring season is very beautiful but, it is so short lived that before you start to enjoy it, its gone,
    It is like that song: “Kal Rukay Na Rukay Dola Bahaar ka…..” Khiltay hain Gul yahan Khill kay Bikhar jaanay ko.

    And, I know why you like it more than others is because, you are in Dubai and that too for a long, long time where trees were a rarity. In fact when my family arrived there, there was NOT a single tree in Dubai, but there was only one in Sharjah at the Rolla Square and we still have a picture post card (printed in London) titled, “The Sharjah Tree” and because the TAXI’s used to park under that tree, the engine oil dripping killed that tree and now they have made a monument in some kinda metal, and named it, “The Sharjah Tree.”

    When we came to Canada, we missed the trees so much and we wanted to buy a house with a lot of matured trees (in Toronto, the houses within our budget had the landscape of Abu Dhabi of 20 years ago, meaning no trees, just glass buildings) whereas, Montreal real estate was reasonable and within budget in fact 50% less so, we preferred to settle here. Its a beautiful city but, winter is very, very long and Toronto is at least 10C warmer than Montreal and not so much snow, still I like Montreal, more than Toronto.

  181. #181 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 1:56 PM


    Raakh kay dhair may shola hai na chingari………….

    When I talk about Tendulkar, I also consider Dravid and Ganguly as great players, IMO Dravid is technically more sound than Tendulkar and Ganguly is very shrewd and a very intelligent player and a much, much better captain than Dhoni is. So, there is no India / Pakistan issue here, I am not comparing Tendulkar with Inzamam (that was Imran Khan’s Shosha), Inzamam is a different kinda player and he played selflessly for the country.

    Recently I saw Amitabh Bachan show on TV while I was in Toronto and I was so pissed off by his Hindi, which he was unnecessarily THOONSING in every sentence when it was not needed. I have been to India, met many Indian Hindus from the UP and MP where Hindi is more dominant than any other language and yet they don’t thoonso so many difficult words like this Paindoo Bachan, who is simply showing off his patriotism. He was not like this before, neither Lata Mangeshkar was both of them have been BAL-THAKARIZED.

  182. #182 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 2:06 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Bal Thackerey recommended last week that Bachchan should receive Bharat Ratna, the highest Indian civilian award.

    I have read that after the assassination of Indira Gandhi, Bachchan appeared on national TV and remarked, “Khoon ka badla khoon sey lein gey”. After that reportedly many Hindus killed Sikhs in Delhi.

    I don’t know whether this is true or not and would invite Bichoo, Pawan or 420 to clarify this if untrue.

    If this is true then Bachchan should be tried in the court for incitement to religious hatred and it is a tragedy that he is worshipped like this in India.

  183. #183 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 2:13 PM


    After Indira Gandhi’s assassination in Delhi alone 10,000 Sikhs were murdered, butchered and slaughtered. I was in Abu Dhabi then and one of my Sikh customers Kanwal J. S. told me, his brother was caught by the mob on a street near a gas station in Delhi and they took a few rimless used tires, slid them over his head to the ground like, he has been WALLED and then poured petrol and burnt him alive. He said, I was watching helplessly from a building so, ‘how can I ever forget that incident?” He started crying and said, I told him not to go out but, he went to get cigarettes and got himself alight.

  184. #184 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 2:18 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I was just researching into that 1984 incident and found this- someone has already registered a complaint against Bachchan.

    Sikh group lodges complaint against Amitabh Bachchan

    The Deccan Herald

    A US-based Sikh human rights group has lodged a criminal complaint against megastar Amitabh Bachchan with authorities in Australia, where he is set to receive an honorary doctorate, for his alleged role in instigating and abetting the 1984 Sikh riots.

    The complaint has been filed by Sikhs for Justice (SFJ) with Christopher Craigie, Director Commonwealth Public Prosecutions in Australia.

    It has been lodged under Australia’s ‘Criminal Code Act 1995’ which states that Australian courts can have jurisdiction over cases involving crimes against humanity irrespective of whether the offense was committed in Australia or not.

  185. #185 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 2:26 PM

    ‘Amir is still a child’

    The mother of one of the Pakistani cricketers disgraced in a bribery scandal said on Wednesday her teenage son’s actions were understandable because he is still a child.

    “I’ve had this in my hand for a year and a half,” said Naseem Akhtar, mother of 19-year-old Mohammad Amir, pointing to prayer beads in her hand.

    “Children make mistakes. Amir became a big name in cricket, but he is still a child.”

    Other Pakistanis were not as forgiving, saying the fiasco has hurt the South Asian country, already tainted by widespread allegations of government corruption, where cricket is a way of life and to many an expression of national identity.

  186. #186 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 2:50 PM

    Ramiz Raja wants lifetime bans for convicted Pakistan cricketers

    Former Pakistan captain Ramiz Raja has told BBC Sport the three cricketers found guilty of spot-fixing should never play for their country again.

    Pakistan trio Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir were found guilty of conspiracy to cheat and conspiracy to accept corrupt payments.

    They plotted to deliberately bowl no-balls during a Lord’s Test match against England in August 2010.

    “I think they should be booted out for good,” Raja told BBC Radio 5 live.

  187. #187 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 3:02 PM

    Boom boom Afridi back in national squad

    LAHORE: All-rounder and former captain Shahid Afridi has been included in Pakistan’s squad of 16 players for the five match ODI series against Sri Lanka, Geo News reported.

    The squad also includes Misbah-ul-Haq (captain), Muhammed Hafeez, Umar Akmal, Imran Farhat, Younis Khan, Shoaib Malik, Sarfaraz Ahmed (WC), Junaid Khan, Sohail Tanveer,Abdul Razzaq, Umer Gul, Asad Shafiq, Saeed Ajmal, Azaz Cheema and Abdul Rehman.

    Earlier on Wednesday, Afridi had met new PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf and expressed his willingness to play for Pakistan.

    The former Skipper had retired from international cricket citing differences with team management and the coach.

  188. #188 by Ali Ahad on November 2, 2011 - 4:13 PM

    Why the Butt family still thinks that Salman is innocent, thought they have a decent education background…why still in denial.

    Glad to see Lala back in green colors…

  189. #189 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 4:23 PM

    A khansahab

    Correct about mush departure and economic status of Pakistan

    Infact it wasnt only the Pakistani economy but it was also the global economy that plummeted after mush’s departure!

    I will check the prosperity website later.

  190. #190 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 4:41 PM

    All three accused have asked for mercy from the judge.

  191. #191 by Aatma-hathya on November 2, 2011 - 5:28 PM

    Asif only has himself to blame: Veena Malik

    MUMBAI: Actress Veena Malik reacted to the spot-fixing trial verdict and said Mohammed Asif only had himself to blame.

    Speaking with Geo News after a London court found Salman Butt and Mohammed Asif guilty in the spot-fixing trial Veena Malik said this was not a surprise although she hoped for a better outcome.

    “Asif was involved in these types of activities” Veena said.

    Veena said she would advise Asif to stay away from these sorts of activities. “I was the only person who would tell Asif not to take part in such activity.”

    The actress added that she felt sorry for Mohammed Asif because he had always told her that cricket was his first love.

  192. #192 by Mohammed Munir on November 2, 2011 - 5:45 PM

    WOW ….. Great to see Afridi back in the team and also Abdul Razaq.

    Sarfaraz Ahmed is also selected which is good news, but I think this will be his last chance to do something special.

    The only missing guy I would love to see in our ODI team is Fawad Alam.

    It will be now worth to go and see all the ODI games live.

  193. #193 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 6:05 PM

    In the eyes of a mother her child will always be a child even though he may be a grandfather yet she considers him/her as a child. So, there is nothing new if the trio’s mothers are saying that. The difference between a mother and a Gashti (Veena) is obvious. Now, she is acting like Asif’s mother, by saying you are only to be blamed, “I told you so not to take part in such activity blah, blah……”

    Good to see Afridi and Abdul Razzaq are back in the team, Malik and others must be scared, especially Malik since his place is not so sure because of his form which is going down after every (act) match because he is playing day and night matches 😀


    I am glad to hear that SIKHAON NOO WEE AQAL AYEE, DARE AYEE PUR DURUST AYEE they should have sued Buchan 25 years ago. Earlier they used to call him ANGRY YOUNG MAN and now I call him ARROGANT OLD BASTARD.

  194. #194 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 6:35 PM

    Isnt it laughable that a slut like Veena is counselling Asif. This just shows that severity of an act does not primarily upon public perception but according to law. Veena proudly telling news channels that she advised c asif and hoping he would reform. Now what about the godfathers of integrity and jaali ghairat and all the ch2 maulvis. Dont they see what asif has done is more condemnable than what a lollywood bitch is supposed to do. Why these channels now dont call players and start giving them doses of tableegh. Ill tell you guys one very bitter thing and we have to swallow it. This act was done in Uk and some people say its a conspiracy. Had it been INDIA, majority of public would have called it a trap. Such is the pathetic, hypocriotical, perverted thinking even of the much touted educated lot in pk. Wake up pakistanis and acknowledge reality.

  195. #195 by tom on November 2, 2011 - 6:41 PM

    According to the prosperity index, pakistan’s ranking has improved from 2010 to 2011; may be economy is improving in such tough global times. Lets see what happens as election season is approaching.

  196. #196 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 2, 2011 - 7:00 PM

    We have a new thread on the blog, please post your comments there. Thank you.

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