The Three Musketeers and d'Artagnan

The Three Musketeers and d'Artagnan


The storm is over, the punishment and sentence is announced, now lets analyze the situation from a different perspective.

All of us (including myself) are vicariously involved in the game of cricket to the extent that we take it very emotionally and feel the experience and get the thrills out of it, and when we are disappointed we get extremely upset. In this case we strongly believe that Asif, Aamir and Butt have disgraced the nation. “Qaom ka naam mitti may mila diya.”  While saying this we were all emotional and “judge-baati” we didn’t even pause for a second to think that these “Three Musketeers” or any of the other lulloo, punjoo in the past is not capable of destroying the name of the nation or disgraced the nation by any of their stupid acts. In this case these three have accepted money from the bookies and agreed to fix the match, first most of us denied it and now a majority of us are ashamed and feel extremely disappointed.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that these three players or others in the past are insignificant in destroying or disgracing Pakistan, they are just a spec of dust that you will find in the vast ocean called – Pakistan.  The country is much above these trivial and petty people, (imo, the only person who can disgrace the nation is, Asif Zardari who is a corrupt President of the country and he is elected by the people) no one else can disgrace Pakistan. Why should we expect a modicum of decency from this uneducated, uncouth and uncivilized players whom we have considered as Heroes and Gods?

The high school dropouts and those who cannot go to the college or the university, they take up sports as their career and are paid in millions and adored by millions and in some cases worshiped by millions. It shows our own lack of values and lack of confidence that we have developed in the past 2 – 3 decades, it is our own inability and incompetence in accepting these trivial people as our heroes.  Think about it and think seriously, who do we place so much importance to these people? It is just a game and they are players and pawns used by others.

My biggest question is WHY BETTING IS LEGAL?  Why not ban the betting houses? Why are these filthy rich people who have acquired money through illegal means are allowed to gamble openly and run a business on the so-called high streets of London? These are the people who have taken over the sports arena by storm and they are playing with illegal money to make more money through these pawns i.e., our heroes and our so-called gods.

It is not just in cricket and not just in Pakistan, but the world over, in every sport be it hockey, soccer, rugby there is an underground world which operates like a mafia, they buy and sell the players, they use them, they fix the matches through them to make more money – Chor hum sab hain, pakray jain tab –  They walk away with money in their pockets and no one catches them, no one raises a finger at them, and then there is a small fry like Mazhar Majeed who falls like a prey in the hands of these culprits and the media wins the war.

The cheap Tabloid called, NOTW became the news of the whores because, they act like pimps and entrap players and use them the way they want.  I am not supporting or showing sympathies towards Aamir, Asif, Butt and Majeed but, I am pointing out at the bigger culprits who are not known to the masses, they needs to be punished and betting houses needs to be eradicated for good.

The worst of all the sports is Boxing.  Just imagine two guys frazzle out their brains and, they are mentally, physically and emotionally exhausted and drained out and in some cases even die or become mentally challenged (Ali is an example) and there are billions of fans across the world who are cheering and applauding at them.  And, for one boxer there is a manager, a coach, an agent, a financial adviser, a PR manager, a physio there is a whole shebang, a whole entourage of people who are also making money and then, there are bookies and gamblers making even more money.   At whose expense?  At the expense of those two lunatics who are frazzling their brains out and at our expense, we are paying them hundreds of millions of dollars through satellite TV in the name of entertainment.

I want our bloggers to write against the big gamblers, the real culprits, those who threat the players and the people, they should be punished and they must be condemned and the society must become free from such rogues, otherwise it will be a sad ending for some players.  Look at the picture of Salman Butt which tells the whole story without a word being spoken.

Sub Kuch luta kay hosh may aye to kya kiya

Sub Kuch luta kay hosh may aye to kya kiya

  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2011 - 12:40 AM

    Please write your comments on this latest thread, thank you.

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2011 - 2:56 AM

    LOL @ Mazhar Majeed wearing artificial poppy, a symbol for Remembrance Day which is Nov. 11th, and it is in memory of those who lost their lives during the World War 1 in 1918…………. he was probably trying to get sympathies from the Judge and Jury that he remembers those who died in armed conflicts. Unfortunately it did not work for him.

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2011 - 3:02 AM

    Waqar says: the cricket players are role models.

    ROLE MODELS ????????? MY FOOT.

    These uneducated, uncouth, uncivilized, Jahil cricket players are role models? Shame on us for considering that they or, the MOLLYWOOD cheapsters are role models.

    It was Bollywood when it was Bombay, now it is Mumbai so it must be Mollywood.

  4. #4 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 12:28 PM


    An interesting perspective to the issue raised by you is provided by this blog


  5. #5 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 12:33 PM

    I personally feel we live in an imperfect world. We have factories which produce alcohol, but a drunken driver is punished. A rapist is sentenced even though he may be aroused by a porn movie. There are legalised, protected institutions where activities are encouraged which are considered crime in other set ups. Either we banish such activities completely like in a communist or islamic set up or we persist with the status quo ie allow these activities in some instances and prohibit them in other situations. Bottom line is players were matured individulas and pretty well knew what they were up to.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2011 - 1:05 PM


    Ref. your comment #4. I have no idea whether Harsha Bhogle was going to write in the same context as I have written or, he has read our blog before writing the article, but this is not the first time it has happened you may ask khansahab that whatever we have written here, including a caption “From Lahore to Lords,” was used by one of the blogs of cricinfo. About this thread, before writing it, I discussed with someone and I had briefed khansahab through email about a different perspective through which we must see this whole episode without getting emotional and write about it. So, the idea or the concept is ours which others too may have talked or thought about it.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2011 - 1:44 PM

    Regarding alcohol, you may go through the archives and read how much we have written on this subject. Our friend Sagaat are poles apart in agreeing on this subject. I have always said that, the whole Western world condemns the use and produce of narcotic drugs but, openly advertise the various brands of alcohol and not only that, if you don’t drink in parties you are looked down upon and considered as an orthodox or conservative person and does not know how to enjoy life. The promotion of alcohol in the western world is because they have chosen and selected a few things from the religion that suits them and the rest they shun it.

    If I am not mistaken, in Christianity and Judaism (Jews produce Kosher wine with less alcohol content, isn’t it a joke?) the consumption of alcohol inside a church is allowed. It says in the Bible that it is allowed but, because there are so many versions of the Bible they try to defend it by saying, even in the medieval times wine with more than 10% alcohol was not allowed to be produced (another joke). I don’t want to go into more detail about the alcohol content in wine or whether Jesus actually drank wine or not? But, whatever else Jesus said which is in the Bible is not practiced at all by the Christians, only this statement from the Bible is used and practiced that Jesus drank wine. Pee nay walaon ko peenay ka bahana chahiyeh.

    In the US alone there are about 2600 -2700 drunk driving deaths each year and the irony is those who die are between the age group of 21-26 years old. And, most of them die during the festivities time like Christmas, New Year, other religious occasions and on long week-ends. In the US the official or legal age to drink or consume alcohol is 21 years of age whereas in Canada it is 18 years. Believe it or not, thousands of American teenagers come to Montreal to celebrate their 18th birthday. The moment they arrive the first thing they ask at the hotel front desk is, “where can we buy alcohol from?” And, the party begins, they get drunk like a skunk and they think it is cool. What a shame.

    If a druggie on the street may consume crack, cocaine or hashish and he may be lying on the street, begging for charity but, in no way he is of any harm to the lives of others (in rare cases they attack people when intoxicated by narcotic drugs). Recently, due to drunk driving a whole Pakistani family of five people driving in a van were crushed to death because the truck driver coming from the opposite side was drunk and ran over their van, it was not a two way lane but, one street with traffic coming from opposite direction, it was just a news item but, hardly any support from the public except for a few words about the deceased family’s tragic end. If a druggie had killed even one person on the street, they may make a big hue and cry and some how try to link Pakistan’s name that drugs are smuggled out from there.

    In Pakistan those who grow or produce drugs may not necessarily be consuming it or, it may be at a very miniscule level. But, this menace of drugs and alcohol is found only in the high society. And, in India any poor man can get local DAROO or THURRA from anywhere, there are thousands and thousands of bars and cheap sharab khanay everywhere but, most of those poor people cannot afford a car so drunk driving accidents are not as many as they are in the West. In the Middle Eastern countries like Dubai alcohol is sold openly and where it is not, then there is another trade i.e., the locals pay exorbitant price to buy alcohol from non-Muslims who get official permit to buy alcohol or, alcohol is smuggled into the country and once again there is another trade and business that flourish.

    And, yes we all know that the bottom line is the players are matured enough to know the evils of betting and spot fixing and they deserve punishment, but the bigger evil is unseen, unknown, invisible and yet it is everywhere and no one does anything to eradicate this evil from our society. The hypocrisy is such that on a cigarette packet you will see the warning that says smoking may cause cancer, it is just like a Japanese fishing trawler has a sticker which says, “Save the Whale and the Dolphins.” They don’t write anything or warn people about the dangers of alcohol and drunk driving, in fact it is the other way round, they say, consume moderately, who has control after the first drink? And, if you see an extremely weird TV ad for the first time, you can be sure that it must be about BEER or some wine, vodka etc.

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2011 - 1:50 PM

    Shahid Afridi once again buttering the rear side of Zakat ……………. stop blabbering AFRIDI


  9. #9 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 4, 2011 - 1:57 PM


    In the picture, on this new thread you will see The Three Musketeers and d’Artagnan …………… Butt and Aamir have some kinda smirk on their faces, it shows their arrogance and their attitude. Whereas, Asaf and Majeed are showing remorse and “Nadamat” (feeling guilty and ashamed). The age old expression “your face is the mirror of your mind,” is true. It is called “Khaslat” which seldom changes. I think Salman Butt and Aamir will never change, it is also obvious from their statements, especially Aamir is saying when he will come out, he will expose everyone! RUBBISH, if you are a MAN speak now or shut up for the rest of your life. If Aamir had used his brain by cooperating with the ICC, he may not have been in this situation now. But, he thinks he is very smart and there are millions of Ch2So4’s out there who will support him, greet him and bring him back into the Pakistan national team. (In Pakistan nothing is permissible but, everything is possible or, PASSIBAL) 😀

  10. #10 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 2:43 PM

    “Afridi was very close to Mazhar Majeed and when ever he used to come over to England with his family he used to stay at Mazhar Majeeds house”: Salman Butt’s father

  11. #11 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 2:47 PM

    LOL at this BS. A 10 year old kid knows that taking money in order to deliberately bowl a no-ball is wrong and CHEATING. This education comes from your home and environment you idiot!

    PCB did not educate me enough about corruption: Amir

    A regretful Mohammad Amir has blamed PCB for not educating him enough against corruption and vowed to reveal “more” about the case, in which co-accused Salman Butt and Mohammaed Asif “tried to damage his reputation” further.

    Amir was sent to young offenders’ detention centre for six months while Butt and Asif were sent to jail for 30 months and 12 months respectively after being found guilty of spot-fixing during last year’s Lord’s Test against England.

    The young bowler held the Pakistan cricket authorities for not doing enough to create awareness among players about the pitfalls of getting into corruption.

    “The PCB never told me just how serious a offence it was to get into these sort of things. They didn’t educate me enough about anti-corruption laws,” he added.

  12. #12 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 2:48 PM

    “Mazhar is a very religious man………Salman, Asif, Aamer and we are Muslims”: Azhar Majeed, brother of Mazhar Majeed

  13. #13 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 2:50 PM

    Wedding of Salman Butt’s sister postponed indefinitely

    Karachi: Salman Butt’s family is in a “state of shock” after the former Pakistani cricket captain was found guilty of spot-fixing and has postponed his sister’s wedding for an indefinite period.

    Butt, described as the “orchestrator” of the spot-fixing during the 2010 Lord’s Test, was handed a 30-month jail sentence by a London court Thursday.

    Butt’s father Zulfiqar said his son’s lawyers will appeal against the verdict. And in view of the sombre atmosphere in the family, Zulfiqar said he had indefinitely called-off his daughter’s wedding.

    “She was scheduled to marry in Lahore this month, but it has been postponed because the family is in a state of shock. Her in-laws understand our grief,” The Express Tribune quoted Zulfiqar as saying.

    Butt’s family has maintained that their son is innocent and has been made a scapegoat.

    Zulfiqar said he is ready to be hanged in public if Salman is proved to be corrupt.

    “If Salman’s involvement is proved and evidence is provided that he took money, I tell the nation that my son Salman and I are ready to be hanged publicly,” Zulfiqar said. “I have brought up my children never to do such a thing.”

  14. #14 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 2:53 PM

    Zulfiqar Butt, you are probably my father’s age and a senior to me, but please shut the F**K up.

  15. #15 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 3:01 PM

    PCB denies Aamer’s claims of ignorance

    ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Cricket Board said on Friday teenage fast bowler Mohammad Aamer attended anti-corruption lectures and understood the risks of fixing when he signed a central contract in 2010.

    Aamer told GEO TV that the PCB did not educate him about match-fixing and its consequences.

    A court in London on Thursday sentenced Aamer to six months for bowling deliberate no-balls during a Test match last year. Two other Pakistani cricketers – Salman Butt and fast bowler Mohammad Asif – were sentenced for 2 1/2 years and 1 year respectively.

    But the PCB said in a statement that Aamer’s central contract contained a clause pertaining to corruption in cricket when he signed it in March 2010.

    “The code of conduct clearly states that by signing the same the player commits to abiding by all ICC rules regarding betting, match fixing, corruption, and any matter that could call into question the integrity of the game,” the PCB said.

  16. #16 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 3:08 PM

    Javed A Khan

    In principle the problem (betting) needs to be eliminated at its root, but this is a huge industry around the world. In developed countries there are some rules and regulations surrounding betting and any violation is punished. However in less developed countries this remains a huge problem.

    There are huge betting and gambling companies in the UK and they have a lot of clout. However I think the government should regulate their activities more proactively and try and minimise the potential of cheating and corruption.

    Elimination of betting and gambling would mean elimination of casinos. This has an impact on many industries- alcohol industry, tobacco industry and drug businesses. It is too big an ask and remains and idealistic rather than a practical point of view.

  17. #17 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 3:10 PM

    Javed A Khan/Tom

    Larki khoobsurat ho aur pyala pesh karey toh daaru toh kya, ashiq zeher bhi pee lein gey…………..

  18. #18 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 3:14 PM

    Mohammad Amir is silenced due to ‘threats’

    Mohammad Amir refused to give evidence during the spot-fixing trial that ended yesterday — with prison sentences imposed on Amir, Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif — because of “underworld threats” made against him and his family in Pakistan.

  19. #19 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 3:17 PM

    Farhat, Veena kingpins of spot-fixing racket: Dixit

    NEW DELHI (Agencies) – Even as a London court on Thursday sentenced former Pakistani cricketers to jail for being guilty of spot-fixing, cricket photographer Dheeraj Dixit, who was in the centre of the spot fixing controversy last year, has now made startling revelation that has further left the cricket world in a fix.
    Claiming to be a whistleblower, Dixit told Headlines Today that another Pakistan cricketer, Imran Farhat, and Veena Malik, a former girlfriend of Asif, were the kingpins in the ongoing fixing racket.
    Dixit alleged that Farhat, whose father-in-law is interim chief selector in Pakistan, was the current mastermind behind the fixing racket. Dixit further alleged that there were few other Pakistani cricketers in the ring. He named Veena as a key conspirator in the racket mentioning that she was in the loop and acted as a broker between the parties. Dixt also said that Farhat’s relative in London managed all the money transactions.

  20. #20 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 3:20 PM

    Asif and Veena are made for each other actually. She can’t find a better man.

    Asif wants me back: Veena Malik

    Mumbai: Four days before the British courts declared former Pakistani cricketer Mohammad Asif guilty of match-fixing, on October 28, Pakistani actress Veena Malik received a distress call from London telling her to immediately rush to the city to be with him. The actress reportedly shared a live-in relationship with him for one and a half years.

    Apparently the much-married Asif wanted to mend bridges with Veena. The actress says that the offer was firmly turned down.

    Veena says, “It was a mutual friend from, London, Zahid Ali Saab, who called me on October 26 stating that Asif wanted to desperately see me, that he wanted a reconciliation.

    I declined. How can I turn back the clock? Asif and I shared a beautiful if stormy relationship. We were together until 2008 when I came to know about his match-fixing activities; I left him.”

    “Even when we were together I tried to warn him against what he was doing. I am not surprised by the court’s verdict. But I am sad for him,” she adds.

    Was the offer to return to the beleaguered cricketer tempting? “I can’t deny I still have feelings for him. Relationships don’t die,” admits the actress, and adds, “I’ve no hard feelings about any of my former boyfriends. My time with Asif was special. But I’ve moved on.”

    Speaking about her ex-beau’s wife, Veena says, “Asif is a happily married man. I know his wife Sanaa. In fact, when they were getting married, she called me up to find out about my relationship with Asif. I told her to please go ahead with the marriage.”

    Veena says getting involved with a married man is a complete no-no for her. “I’d never do that to another woman.”

  21. #21 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 3:21 PM

    Veena Malik detained at Mumbai airport

    MUMBAI – Veena Malik was detained at the Mumbai airport for evasion of customs duty.
    Apparantly, Veena was found to be carrying undeclared dutiable goods. However, the actor was freed after paying the prescribed fine, according to Indian media reports.

  22. #22 by Ali Ahad on November 4, 2011 - 4:15 PM

    Now Asif’s lawyers is going for an appeal against the conviction and Butt’s lawyer is going to appeal for the sentence not for conviction so this shows out of four three are guilty…he really thinks that a new judge will over turns the jury decision because no marked money was found in his room…I think his lawyers are trying to milk the Sheikhupura cow…

  23. #23 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 4:58 PM

    No grudges against Pakistan: Strauss

    London: England captain Andrew Strauss said on Friday that the corruption scandal which saw three Pakistan players jailed would not affect the two teams’ upcoming Test and one-day series.

    Strauss is hopeful the scandal will not affect his view of future matches against Pakistan.

  24. #24 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 8:42 PM

    Wel I dont know from wherte Harsha got a cue for that blog but yes there are similarities btw the 2 blogs. I also had the cigarette example in mind which you cited.

    Now look at zulf butt talking about hanging- how stupid

    Khansahb I knew Islam would be dragged.

    I mean guys why whenever somebody does something wrong , Islam is dragged into the debate. Listen to Azhar that hes religious bla bla.

    Stop it; enough of this nonsense taqwa show. To err is human. if you faltered because of humanly desires then its normal. Accept your wrongs or if you fear a backlash just keep quiet. why all this talk about Islam, what islam has to do with all this.

  25. #25 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 8:43 PM

    Rehman malik says weell defend these playwers.

    Wel sir when your term will end well see wholl defend you

  26. #26 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 8:49 PM

    A khansahab

    Did you see how niceeeee veeena Is? Not only she has a beautiful body but she also has a warm cosy heart in her chesttttt… She doesnt want to spoil asif’s married life. She cares about women’s rights and shes also patrioticcccccc…. She left Asaf bcos of match fixingggg….

    I told u shes much betyter than many assssholesssss…..

    U should rate her highly nowwwww… ( HAHJAHA Just kidding)

    Sharm karo beghairtoo! ab Randiyaan tum ko waaz suna raheeen hae aur watan ki mohabbat ki dawaedar haen . itna gir gae ke jism farosh bhi tumhe dekh kar ghairat ki baaten kar raha hae aur abhi tum log nahi sudhrey. Dog’s tail!

  27. #27 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 8:57 PM

    people are very sad. Everybody knows politicians, businessmen , maulvis are corrupt. the only avenue people looked upto with faith and hope was sports specially cricket in subcontinent. pewople considered these players as heroes and amidst all the political, economic instability. their victory was our victory and their defeat was our defeat. How cruelly they betrayed trust of millions. Look at this beghairat baby. he says board didnt warn him. Zalleeel, even a 12 yr old gully cricketer knows whats a noball and its wrong to deliberately bowl one. To top it all he says he is being threatened- nonsense!

    people identified themselves with these players and if you asked anyone about their favorite personality, these players were almost there. Shame !

    Toiday pakistan lost 2 wkts. guys I ask you, was it cricket or topi drama? this is not ckt, this is WWE wrestling.

  28. #28 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 9:05 PM

    Now some quotes for Khansahab

    Nothing is impossible; the word itself says ” im Possible ” Audrey hepburn

    Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom ( anon)

    It may be hard for an egg to turn into a bird: it would be slightly more difficult for a bird to learn to fly while remaining an egg. We are like eggs at present. And you cannot go indefinitely being an ordinary, unhatched egg. We must be hatched good or bad ( CS lewis)

  29. #29 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 9:08 PM

    A khansahab

    Veena must be saying

    Mehfil mein aakar saaqi banu ya mehboooba

    Tauba yahan to har koi nashe mein hae dooba

  30. #30 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 9:15 PM

    Strauss not happy with ICC anti corruption unit


  31. #31 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 9:24 PM

    A khansahab

    Acc to geo news, Waqqa asked Aamer about noball. Amer told him a butt a told him a to bowl a no aball. Waqqa says he told a ICC a corrruption unit but a nothing happened.

    Sharm karo You youngsta bhadsurat buddhey waqqa, apne munney ki jaan bachaney ke liye jhoot mat bolo. iska matlab hae tumhe sab pata tha

  32. #32 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 9:56 PM


    You might have heard about Senator Anwer Baig who was formerly a PPP guy and closely associated with the PCB.

    He has said today that there is no chance this this entire spot fixing was carried out without the knowledge of the team management.

    So, it is likely Waqar & Co know about all of this.

  33. #33 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 10:06 PM


    This blog has a knack of foretelling events. Javed A Khan a VERY long time ago said that Rana Naved, Malik and K Akmal are likely to underperform under Younis Khan. There was a guy on this blog who used to think we are biased towards one group of players and he ridiculed this blog and commented that we must be joking. A few months later there was an inquiry and this oath-taking BS came out in which Rana Naved and Malik were allegedly at the forefront.

    I said shortly after Afridi was made captain that shortly before the WC 2011 there is likely to be a conspiracy to remove Afridi as captain and appoint Misbah or another player. At that time again people thought I was biased and mental but one or two years later that is EXACTLY what happened. A month before the WC the news came that Ijaz Butt is unhappy with Afridi, Misbah is being considered and some people complain an anti Afridi campaign has been hatched.

    So, would you call us visionaries or biased idiots?

    The moment I read about Ijaz Butt and saw his picture, I could see disaster and Javed A Khan and I almost simultaneously wrote that he would take Pakistan cricket backwards. This was the time when EVERY other blog and forum were celebrating the removal of Nasim Ashraf and saying that former cricketer and seasoned administrator Butt will rescue Pakistan cricket.

    I am not boasting and Javed A Khan and I don’t always agree on issues, but the success rate of our predictions and assessment of Pakistan cricket is frighteningly high and people have borrowed our captions, ideas and they are even jealous of our acumen, but they don’t give us credit.

  34. #34 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 10:18 PM


    I don’t know if you visit Pakpassion but it is mostly visited by teenage idiots. They are extremely fickle and immature.

    Anyway, the people I feel sorry the most about are the teenage idiots who used to have pictures of Butt and Aamer as their avatars. They worshipped Aamer and he has let them down. Can you imagine these kids growing up and realising that their hero is a crook?

    This can just devastate a person’s upbringing when you have such an idealistic or utopian view about something and then you realise that you used to believe in B.S.

    These 3 bastard players have not once said that, “We are sorry for letting down our fans” because heck, they don’t give a shit about the fans. They are worried only about their careers. Look at this slime Aamer who said, “I don’t know whether cricket will want me again”. You fuc*er, apologise to the fans first and forget about whether PCB will select you again because you were role model to many teenagers and have broken their hearts.

    That is why I am grimacing at the fact that Imran Khan and some others have so much SYMPATHY for Aamer. Why? He is not sorry for his actions and even now he is claiming that he has been “trapped” into all of this. Why did you plead guilty then you piece of shit?

    I hope three months later when Aamer returns to Lahore he is pelted with stones and rotten eggs because that is what he deserves.

  35. #35 by Aatma-hathya on November 4, 2011 - 10:28 PM


    Most Muslims consider religion and God to be their personal property. They use religion to justify everything they do and tarnish religion through their actions.

    This is what happens when Mullah Islam tries to preach namaz and roza as distinct and separate from morality.

    That is why I keep saying on this blog that the purpose of religion is to impose morality.

    You can do gunah at your will BECAUSE shaitaan tempts you BUT God forgives so provided you ASK in dua your sin will be forgiven.

    Life runs on the above maxim. Shaitaan becomes the embodiment of evil so this is what Muslims use to distill themselves of evil. It is like considering yourself as clean of wrongdoing and attributing your flaws to a third party.

    But, God will punish you as well as the third party because you gave into sin.

    Yet, the dynamics of this triangle confuse people and it is this confusion that leads to a lot of wilful wrongdoing.

    Mullah Islam has never been able to clarify this dynamic. They can’t bhai because 90% of them are uneducated. Bhai you need education to think deeply and solve problems yet the “scholars” of Islam and the guys who guide others about religion are incapable of analysing issues deeply.

    P.s- of course I believe that Satan exists and I believe in whatever the Quran says but I don’t agree with the Mullah interpretation of it.

  36. #36 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 10:41 PM

    A khansahab

    I dont think azhar is a mullah and to be very frank with you people listen and obey to mullah when it suits their interests and if it doesnt, they call it maulvi nonsense and leave it. A typical example is of marriage. people say its sunnah, youfr janaza is haram if you dont marry etc yet they dont follow other sunnah. however mullah advocates all sunnah. i must say everybody to an extent has his own inner mullah. The saddest aspect of all this is Islam is the trash can in all these episodes. Use it as your shield or its like a laundi; you can exploit it whenever or wherever you want.

    See azhar defends his brother using religion and others claim there are muslims. A mirza or an altaf swears upon Holy book and tries to convince people of their nobility. Yet they will readily mock a mullah and knock him of his haunches.

    And finally mullahs are laughing stock these days. infact thats the case with the whole muslim world! fine, keep fantasizing about your piety.

  37. #37 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 10:47 PM


    whether you guys have a knack of spotting events befrorehand is a little early for me to assess. it takes sometime to make such judgments. But I feel aamer will get a hero welcome. CH2 qaum, CH2 mentality- corrupts become leaders so that looks to be the status quo. ojee bachaa tha, ghalti hogai, butt ne daraya thaa. jaane do aja munne tere baap ka mulk hae iski maabahn ek kardo. swine!

  38. #38 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 10:52 PM

    A khansahabs.

    well let the law take its course and let these guys appeal. its their right and they cannot be deprived of that

    What about the current team? is it free of match/bracket fixing? are we watching a contest or a topi drama? you still have players from that series in this squad and we feel the whole team knew about this and I agree. So shouldnt we also focus our attention towards that and notice anything fishy happening

  39. #39 by tom on November 4, 2011 - 11:03 PM

    A khansahab

    concept of remorse or guilt is becoming a raity in pakistan. do whatever you like, dont admit youre wrong. secondly, consult your favorite mullah, he’ll give u customized interpretation and you’ll be proved right. one pf te comments on this or previous blog mentioned one of these players saying we havent done anything wrong religiously and God is on our side. what else remains to say!

    If you remember my question about meqning of pakistan, I said there is only Mayoosi

    you know it has increased; and my gut feeling is thats the case with bazameer people. rest of the country is enjoying its bounties.

    Raavi chayn likh raha tha!

  40. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 5, 2011 - 2:19 AM


    khansahab is NOT saying that Aamir will be pelted with stones and rotten eggs but, he is saying ” I hope “ and that doesn’t mean he is predicting. And, I agree with you that Aamir will get a lot of support from his Ch2yeh fans and ultimately peepal like, Seem Chakram, Pukka Youna, Zaleel AbbASS etc. will say, “Choro Buccha hai maaf kero, that was his FIRST ghalatee.” I think he is the result of his parents GHALATEE. Even, Imran Khan because of his political motives is saying he feels sorry for Aamir and when he will see the peepal supporting he will follow the herd and say, Chalo moaf mero.

    As regards our predictions or vision neither we are Nostradamus nor Einstein its just a gut feeling
    that comes whenever a new situation occur and it is too early to talk about Zaka Ashraf but, he seems to be a simpleton to me and I am really surprised that Afridi is buttering his ass because, Afridi’s own position because of his own Ch2yapay is very vulnerable and one more incident and he is gone with the wind. But, to stay in the team or become future captain once again, he doesn’t need to butter Zaka.

    You may go back into the archives during the T20 WC when Younus Khan was the captain and Pakistan won, we criticized Aamir’s behaviour a LOT, especially his arguments with Younus Khan were uncalled for and it showed that this person has a lot of arrogance, attitude and Takkabur and it has been proved and you can see from his recent statements which clearly reflects his Meesnee Khaslat, which will never change. In my opinion, apart from the Three Muskeeters, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal, Imran Farhat and Misbah doesn’t deserve a place in the team.

    Dropping Wahab Riaz from the ODI squad is beyond my “lakri ki aqal” I cannot comprehend it, unless they have other reasons such as his name being mentioned so many times along with Kamran Akmal that he is involved with OTHER MOTHER MAJEEDS and they are afraid that the ICC might get him from Dubai through a court order, so they are protecting him till such time the dust is settled. Remember Akhtar and Asaf were not sent to London after the Nandrolone case? That was the reason and perhaps they are doing it to protect their own ass because, if Riaz spill the beans the whole of the PCB shall be in tatters.

    About Other Majeed and his Ch2yapay ka interview that he was not aware of his brother’s involvement in spot fixing is all BS. Who are you lying to? Or, do you think that the whole world is naive and ignorant? You introduced your younger bro to the players and you were in the thick and thin of everything and you say, you are not aware of his illegal activities? Only a Paindoo can believe this (like Zulfiqar Butt – he should hang himself upside down by tying a rope to his 3alls.) kinda statement. Also to say Mazhar is very religious is like saying Zardari is a God fearing person, WTF ??

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 5, 2011 - 2:32 AM

    And, one more thing – while everyone was praising Sohail Tanvir and talking about his unusual bowling stance, they were comparing him with Thompson and the new Wasim Akram of Pakistan who bowls with his wrong foot first, we criticized him and called him a mediocre bowler. First of all there aren’t any similarities between him and Thompson and on this blog we compared his action with Thompson by posting videos of both players. We also said, Tanvir is a very arrogant person and because of his lack of education he behaves in a very crude fashion. Other blogs quoted our criticism and attacked us for being bias. And, when he took 16 wickets in the first IPL and earned that so called purple hat, those bloggers laughed at us and taunted us. But, the euphoria ended very soon. That is when Pakistan was not included in the second IPL, Tanvir said, “This is HINDU ZEHNIYAT” and that was uncalled for, you bite the hand that feeds?

    And on TV in one of his interviews when he said this, he also said, ” MERI WURT KUM SAY KUM EKH MILLION KI HAIGEE.” That idiot may not even know the meaning of worth. He also carries an arrogant smirk on his face all the time and you must have read those stories and seen his photographs with a desi-vilayti gashtee called Shanzay with him he was dating and clubbing till 3 a.m. when he was officially a member of the Pakistan team and not on a private visit to London. That gashtee looks like a druggie, you can Google her by her name and Tanvir’s name and see the photo in which she is clinging on to Tanvir and you will agree with us.

  42. #42 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 11:58 AM

    Lady teacher breaks the arm of her girl-student

    CHINIOT: A lady teacher getting furious over not bringing the fees of paltry rupee one by her class-I girl-student severely tortured and broken her tender arm, Geo News reported.

    Zeenat Bibi, a teacher of Danga government primary school tortured and broken the arm of her Class-I girl-student Ruqaiyya Bibi, 9 for failing to bring a paltry rupee one fees.

    Ruqaiyya’s mother Shamim Bibi told that the brute teacher had tortured her daughter for the same reason a month ago also, but on intervention of the neighbours and an apology from the teacher, the matter was hushed up. Now on repeated teacher’s brutality, she (Shamim Bibi) has submitted a petition against the teacher for registering a case.

  43. #43 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 12:00 PM

    Raped on Christmas

    A 12-year-old Christian girl was gang raped repeatedly, forced to convert to Islam and was then married to one of her attackers in Lahore.

    An FIR was filed against unknown people on January 5, 2011 – FIR No 18/11, to the Factory Area Police Station, district Shaikhupura, Lahore.

  44. #44 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 12:02 PM

    Faisalabad: Gang rape: Fifth grader’s ‘rapists’ roam free

    FAISALABAD: A fifth grade student was allegedly gang raped by a local landlord a few days ago. The girl’s mother was also kidnapped and her father said that he had been receiving death threats for trying to register a case with local police.

  45. #45 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 12:43 PM

    Necrophilia: Man arrested from graveyard with bone-chilling story


    Mohammad Riaz stood tall at five foot five inches with a white cloth covering his face at the North Nazimabad police station. DSP Abdul Rashid Khan claims that he has confessed to having defiled the corpses of 48 women in the Paposh Nagar graveyard in the last eight years.

    “We had an inkling that something was not right at the graveyard but we did not know what was wrong,” he said. “We had gotten some of the gorkans [grave diggers] to work with us and keep an eye on this man for a month.” The DSP added that Riaz could not have been caught earlier as he had vanished out of the blue.

    While talking to the media on Saturday, Riaz said that he had heard a new grave had been dug and a woman had been buried. “I went inside the grave like I usually do and got scared,” he said. “The dead woman’s face and teeth were disgusting. There was a light in her eyes that really horrified me. I got out as fast as I could and started running.” He added that when he saw the woman’s face, he had sworn never to indulge in these sort of activities ever again.

    As Riaz started running away from the grave in fear, he caught the attention of grave diggers and other people. Soon there was a mob running after him with sticks and stones. Everyone, including the police thought that he was a thief or murderer. “We were conducting a snap check in the area when we found out,” said the police. “We thought the people had caught a robber or something, had no idea that it would be something so strange.” They claim that by the time they had figured out what Riaz did, the mob was ready to beat him up and tear him to pieces. They took him to the North Nazimabad police station for further investigations. Riaz claims that his family is from Sargodha but he has spent his entire life in Karachi. He joined the graveyard nearly eight years ago to water the plants and graves. “I got a job through one of the gorkans. His name was Wazir and he died two years ago,” he said. “Wazir taught me.”

    Riaz’s crime used to go undetected as the graves were ‘katcha’ or the earth was freshly dug.

  46. #46 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 5, 2011 - 1:36 PM


    Right now in Vancouver BC there is a hot case about a student ‘duct taped’ by his teacher who got furious because the student was talking. Here is the link, please see the 2 minute video and read comments if you like. It is also obvious that the student is from ethnic community and the teacher is white.


    In Quetta Baluchistan, a teacher got angry with his student and made him sit between his knees and then he pulled off the hair of the student, one by one and made him almost ganja. So, these things do happen all over the world. The irony is in India and Pakistan in the rural areas, the parents sometimes bring their kids to the teacher or the Moulvi and ask them to beat the student in order to make him/her study.

    There was also a very high profile case where a lady teacher had sex with a boy half her age and then vowed to marry him and the poor boy was eloped into a deadlock after sentencing and blah, blah. So, these things happen everywhere, “Hazrat-e’-Insaan: hai bari complex cheez. Farishta bhee hai aur Darinda bhee hai.

  47. #47 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 1:41 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Well, there was news in the UK that a 30 something teacher was in a sexual relationship with a teenage student but I am surprised to hear about the Canadian incident.

    From these news I have pasted the necrophilia one is really disgusting but that Christian girl’s rape is also shocking.

  48. #48 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 1:46 PM

    Misbah is playing for a draw.

    I think Malik was more aggressive than this.

    He is the captain and he should inspire his players.

    Looking at the way he plays I don’t blame Azhar Ali or Shafiq for playing slowly or defensively.

    Positive innings from Younis Khan- despite being “out of form” he is still better than Misbah in every way.

  49. #49 by Ali Ahad on November 5, 2011 - 2:40 PM

    I was reading Lala’s interview and he confirmed that Majeed try to contact him but Lala always avoided him..so this shows that Majeed is telling the truth…what about all the other allegations about aussie’s that he said are the aussies’s are always interested in brackets..don’t you guys think that there might some truth in that…

  50. #50 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 2:57 PM

    Poker machines are a bigger problem than spot-betting on sport

    Sunday Telegraph, Australia

    WHO is the biggest loser in the latest sport gambling scandal?

    The ordinary punter.

    Disgraced Pakistani cricketers Salman Butt, Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif have all been jailed by an English court, along with player agent Mazhar Majeed, for match-fixing described by the judge as a betrayal of fans.

    It’s an extraordinary case that has thrown much-needed light on the murk of international cricket.

    But this case – covered with full hoopla by the international media – has overshadowed the real problem in relation to gambling.

    Dodgy betting is rife in some first-class sport. That’s no surprise to anyone. Across Asia – and, no doubt, here in Australia too – it’s possible to bet on questions as obscure as how many players in a given match will wear sunglasses, or what colour their caps will be. Corruption and disrespect for the fans is rife.

    But in Australia, the gravest danger to everyday gamblers is not whether the Pakistanis threw a match.

    It’s much more mundane: poker machines. The hottest debate in politics is whether the federal government should impose tougher regulation on pokies.

    Obviously, the vast majority of pokie players are enjoying a bit of harmless entertainment. They lose a bit of cash, then walk off to do something more interesting. But there is widespread acceptance that problem gambling exists, and that pokies are a magnet for the lonely and vulnerable poor – the people who can least afford to lose. The clubs and pubs say they’ve got the problem under control with “solutions” like helplines and warning signs.

    Independent MP Andrew Wilkie has effectively forced the government to agree to his demand to introduce mandatory pre-commitment – which would mean punters can gamble as much as they like, within a limit they’ve set for themselves each day.Fellow independents Nick Xenophon and Tony Windsor say it’d be better – and easier – to impose a $1 maximum bet on machines.

    Either way, this is an issue on which the government can – and should – hold its nerve.

    The pubs, clubs and federal opposition are (quite successfully) seeking to turn this into a debate about something entirely different, blurring the genuine question of problem gambling with frightening threats that pokie controls will kill clubs and all their good works.

    They say it’s “nanny state” meddling; if people want to bet, let ’em. That might be true for betting on horses, or playing blackjack at a casino. But poker machines are, I think, in a special category for one simple reason.

    There’s no intimidation factor. Walking into a TAB – or barrelling up to the tables at a fancy casino – requires a level of chutzpah and forethought. A TAB is a daunting place for the novice gambler; a confusing array of pens on strings and microscopic check-boxes.

    A couple of friends attempted to teach me two weeks ago how to do a parlay bet – that is, several horses in different races, combined on the same betting slip.

    It was like doing the census. Not surprisingly, I won’t be parlaying a cent unless one of my mates takes it upon himself to walk me down to the TAB and hold the pen for me.

    Ditto the casino games. Many people aren’t entirely sure what they’re supposed to do at a roulette table or poker game, beyond sipping a martini and looking glamorous.

    But, as we all know, poker machines are deliciously simple. Take some cash, stick it in the slot and push the button. It’s easy, gentle fun.

    That is why poker machines are so dangerous. They can winkle away the mortgage payment and the grocery money, just like that.

    You could, if you were so inclined, gamble away your life savings on the antics of dishonest sportsmen like the cheating Pakistani cricketers. But you’d have to work a lot harder.

    Pokie revenue will fall with greater regulation. That’s a good thing – no matter how the clubs try to spin it.

  51. #51 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 3:03 PM

    How Saqlain forgave Miandad

    Avirook Sen

    The launch of Shoaib Akhtar’s book Controversially Yours had to be cancelled in Mumbai. The proverbial ‘Marathi manus’ could not take the fact that a few words of criticism about their living deity, Sachin Tendulkar, had poured forth from cricket’s biggest mouth. So after protests, threats and excellent publicity for what is, all told, a second-rate book, there was no launch in Mumbai.

    Shoaib had said Sachin was uncomfortable facing him, insinuating that the batsman played selfishly (for the sake of records) and wasn’t a match-winner. Typically, Shoaib also called Sachin “great” and (ghost) wrote with admiration about his recent form. Sachin’s weaknesses and his greatness have been discussed over decades by more insightful observers, so the root of the launch controversy was hardly what I was looking for when I picked up the book.

    I judged it first of all by its cover. It is an unfortunate black and white portrait of Shoaib with the clear suggestion that he is about to pick his nose. (He is purportedly pointing at a cricket ball, but a nostril is dangerously close.) Naturally, I could not resist reading the book.

    Upon doing so, I found that Shoaib’s comments on Sachin and the Indians were as harmless as helium when compared with the combustible material about his colleagues and coaches. Of Intikhab Alam, former captain and coach, he writes: “he is the most illiterate man you could meet”. A chap who, despite being around cricket for four decades, “cannot distinguish an in-swinger from an out-swinger”.

    Very few pages in the book would survive if you left out Shoaib’s whining about mistreatment and “torture” from his seniors. (Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis find frequent mention in this context).

    In the past, I have written about the influence of religion on the Pakistan dressing room, post-9/11. Shoaib’s first-hand account allows the reader to look in through the window at some of the more bizarre goings-on.

    Inzamamul Haq, captain and leading evangelist, would routinely go knocking on doors at (mandatory) namaz time to round up “absconders”. The team would jostle in the aisles of planes if prayers had to be said in the air and once had to be stopped because they had messed up the toilet by letting the water run.

    Religion played a valiant role in dispute settlement as well. Once, says Shoaib, Saqlain Mushtaq was upset about rumours that he was going to be dropped despite performing consistently. Saqlain called up coach Javed Miandad, but didn’t get a proper answer. The next day, after brooding for a while, he could hold himself back no longer.

    Saqlain leapt at the coach suddenly and then grabbed a bat and began chasing Miandad. Miandad, who had charged at Dennis Lillee with a cricket bat years ago, now ran for his life to the PCB chairman’s office. The pursuit was halted when Inzamam and Saeed Anwar caught up with the combatants (don’t ask how). The two batsmen then went about calming Saqlain down. They did this by quoting various Hadiths on forgiveness. Telling the bowler “is mein kaha gaya hai ki aap maaf kar dein”.

    But an aggrieved Miandad now kept asking the two theologists why they were not quoting a Hadith that made his case. After all, he was the one who was about to have his skull cracked. Shoaib says: “They very seriously replied that there was one that stated that, as the older man, he must forgive Saqlain.”

    This is priceless stuff, though it must be said that given the number and variety of disputes in the Pakistan dressing room (and outside), the best scholars would be hard pressed for Hadiths.

    But what do these disputes generally arise out of? Shoaib isn’t very explicit about this (and often contradictory), but the sense you get for the reasons shouldn’t surprise anyone. It is the essentially feudal structure of the game in the subcontinent. This attitude is most obvious in Pakistan, and Shoaib unwittingly lets us know the mindset behind it in a revealing snippet.

    Once, a young Pakistan cricketer received a letter from an ardent admirer written in her blood. He replied promptly, says Shoaib, and used his servant’s blood for ink.

  52. #52 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 3:31 PM

    I think we have to accept that there will be always casinos, betting clubs ,brothels etc in this world. Its very idealistic to envision a world without these things. Charity begins at home so I think its upto parents to inculcate a concept of right and wrong amongst children. Thats the best defense mechanism I can think of to curb the menace of these evils.

  53. #53 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 3:34 PM

    Ali ahad

    mazhar majeed also claims to know federer and brad pitt and his brother says hes ” religious”. Irrespective of however approached whom, my question is why afridi didnt raise this issue when this occurred. Infact this is one thing ive observed on many occassions; players claiming knowledge about match fixing after match fixing occurs .

  54. #54 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 3:38 PM

    A khansahab

    yes misbaaaah wants a draw. If SL gets a lead of 80-100 and scores 220 and gives pakistan a target of 300-320, we may see an exciting final day’s play.

  55. #55 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 3:50 PM

  56. #56 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 3:56 PM

    This man Tom, Veena is Batman

    It’s believed this angry whistleblower is none other than Afridi………

    An angry teammate blew the whistle: Azhar Majeed

    LONDON: The brother of convicted bookie Mazhar Majeed, has alleged that an angry Pakistani cricketer harboring grudge against the then captain blew the whistle to set a British journalist at Mazhar and the other players, Geo News reported.

    Talking to Geo News exclusively, Azhar Majeed said that back in the day Saqlain Mushtaq introduced him to Inzimam-ul-Haq, Mohammad Yousuf, Kamran Akmal, Mohammad Asif, and Mushtaq Ahmed who he made friends with down the line.

  57. #57 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 4:02 PM


    In response to your question about the current ream…..

    Imran Farhat’s name has been mentioned. Maybe Abdur Rehman?

    Misbah would be a candidate too for succumbing to temptation for money because he re-entered international cricket almost at a time when people think about retiring.

  58. #58 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 4:10 PM

    A youngsta khansahab

    I agree with these 2 players. iam not sure about Rehman.

    Afridi a whistle blower. well these guys DUG THEIR OWN GRAVE when they were filmed and when they took money whose numbers were already noted.

  59. #59 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 4:13 PM


    asif is appealing on the premise that no money was found from him. He may get a reduced sentence or a very good defence may even get him exonerated ( very unlikely but possible). whats your take?

  60. #60 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 4:16 PM


    On Pakpassion they are discussing how Pakistan’s batting strike rate has fallen over the years.

    It’s all down to poor coaching and captaincy.

    The captain is uninterested in winning. This mindset will never help Pakistan. This is not considered “rebuilding”.

    I keep highlighting that, batting slowly and batting defensively are two different things. Slowness is not bad in itself provided some aggression or acceleration is planned for later. But, Misbah’s team is caught in a vicious circle of defensive batting. You can see that the players who came after Misbah (Azhar and Shafiq) bat like him.

    Younis can be slow but he does try to hit once in a while.

  61. #61 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 4:17 PM


    I just read Rehman maliks’ statement and even few days ago zardari was supporting these players. malik said tyhats our duty to protect these players. ( its understable why they are supporting them- chor ka dost chor). Isnt it possible that via some covert mechanism, pakistani govt is defen ding therse players and financing their defence. Somehow I notice these players still being too confident as if they know they have strong support. what do you reckon?

  62. #62 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 4:19 PM


    Misbahhhhh is plainly playing for his casptaincy; a dull, unimaginative, mediocre player. He’s weakening the team instead of strenthening it.

  63. #63 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 4:23 PM


    I have not followed the legal arguments very closely but Asif’s claim that he was abused by Butt and this resulted in the no balls is not going to work.

    It does look like Butt and Aamer have poorer cases than Asif, though. I don’t think we heard a lot about his text messages to Majeed and vice versa. No money was found from his room.

    It is strange because Asif is the one who has kept the most quiet. Usually when people are tried on their own, the jury is more sympathetic. The legal team must be thinking that they have a shot in the dark with this. They will build their case emphasising the above points.

    Getting an appeal through the courts is very difficult though. I doubt the England courts will allow his appeal to go ahead. When the world is thinking about whether MORE Pakistani cricketers are going to be charged with spot fixing, I don’t think a request for appeal will be granted that could potentially narrow the net of those connected to fixing.

  64. #64 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 4:27 PM


    How is Rehman Malik going to help them now? By financing the cost of their appeals?

    I think they are just playing lip service- they want to show the public that they took a patriotic decision and tried to support the players.

    It is definitely far fetched to think that the government may be involved in these scams and that is why they are now willing to help. It is possible though, nothing is impossible in Pakistan politics.

  65. #65 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 4:33 PM


    It is too far fetched but not impossible- a state sponsored situation can be the case. Look zarda cashes whereever he sees an opportunity and malik is a very foxy character. it may be lip service or…… just the tip of the iceberg. As you said yeaterday, enver baig said that bmanagement was aware. hence, PCB must also have been aware and then whose left… the govt?

    anything is possible in pureland!

    the public doesnt really seem to much supportive of these players.

  66. #66 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 4:39 PM


    May be its just a TROJAN HORSE.

    We all know the amount of match fixing in IPL and indian team; raina got vindicated recently. It looks so nice on surface- aha we caught these players, they were the polluters and now game is relevantly clean. everybody these days is saying that players now will be more careful but I dont think bookies will be scared by these events. They will continue to peg away with more refined strategies.

  67. #67 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 4:45 PM


    Recently there was a discussion about the reasoning behind the name, “Pakistan”.

    I read in school that Ch Rehmat Ali created this word from the names of the different provinces.

    But, I think in reality they wanted to keep the name which meant “land of the pure” and that is how “Pakistan” was conceived- from the Urdu “Pak” and Sanskrit “Sthan”.

    I see that this has been discussed between Javed A Khan and you.

    But when you hear Pakistan being pronounced as either “Pakastan” or “Pak’stan” then you do feel that the Urdu-Sanskrit version holds more ground.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 5, 2011 - 9:01 PM

    I heard from various people that Aamir if he appeals may be exonerated because, then he was under 18 then. If that will be the case then ICC cannot ban for life because, there is no criminal charge and they may ban for a year or two only. Asif must have hidden his money in Veena’s Zambeel. 😀 So, obviously there is no money found in his room.

  69. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 5, 2011 - 9:01 PM

    I heard from various people that Aamir if he appeals may be exonerated because, then he was under 18 then. If that will be the case then ICC cannot ban for life because, there is no criminal charge and they may ban for a year or two only. Asif must have hidden his money in Veena’s Zambeel. 😀 So, obviously there is no money found in his room.

  70. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 5, 2011 - 9:11 PM


    Yes it is Ch. Rehmat Ali who coined the word and if you read my earlier comment I said, in English it may not sound as it sounds in Urdu because in English the word “I” comes in whereas in Urdu the alphabet “Seen” with a “Zare” under K creates the sound of “IS” when combined with alphabet “K” But in no way you can call PAKISTAN as PAKAS-TAAN. Sanskrit is Sanskrit where as Urdu is the new language which emerged from the Army of Moghul soldiers which had people from Turkey, Iran, Arabia and Central Asia and the word URDU means LASHKAR and Lashkar means Army. That is why you find more words of Persian, Turkish and Arabic in Urdu and also of SPOKEN Hindi which is a milder version of Sanskrit. Sanskrit is very “GAARHEE” or Saqeel, and these days Amitabh Bachan is hell bent on using maximum Sanskrit word in his spoken Hindi.

    Urdu is still surviving in India because of the filmi songs which have more Urdu words in it but, now they are slowly and gradually shifting towards ‘sundarta and atee sundarta’ instead of khoobsoorat aur bahot khoobsorat. Avashiye for Zaroor and the worst is when AB starts, Hamari Param Para, Hamari Nirmada, Hamari isthiti and what not. In Pakistan also the TV news readers have been using some real stupid words such us, “TAAHUM’ unho nay kaha…… DAREEN ASNA and they use it so frequently that I get pissed off because in real life, in our day to day life in our spoken Urdu we never say DAREEN ASNAA or Tahum. Ch2ye murr gaye aulaad chorr gaye!

  71. #71 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 9:21 PM


    I hope iam wrong and I seriously wish iam proved wrong but my instinct tells me these players will play again in the near future for Pakistan. Aamer will get mercy because of his age and asif’s case is relatively weaker . If Aasif gets his sentence reduced or overturned, he will have a very strong case against the ICC ban and he might get it overturned from CAS.

    Ye kunjar phir mujra karen ge aur beghairat awam daad degy.

  72. #72 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 9:30 PM

    I think the word pakistan was coined with a dual intent – regional representation and pureland. Well both got screwed as evident by the fact that this blog is about paki players caught doing corruption.

    provincial autonomy was usurped in the initial days and all this ethnic hatred started getting nurtured. today its a full grown tree.

  73. #73 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 9:32 PM

    money in veena’s zambeel !

    Thats why people say there is always a woman behind success of a corrupt man

  74. #74 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 9:35 PM


    AAsif wouldnt have given all of his Money to veena. he must have some left for his wife Sanna!

    BTW Veena’s wallet aint yet full; still collecting money!

  75. #75 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 9:52 PM


    If you haven’t already done so, watch the movie “City Hall” starring Al Pacino.

    it is a good insight into how politics can create corruption.

    A lot of things that happen in the movie must be happening in Pakistan.

  76. #76 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 10:07 PM

    Hi khansahab

    Thanks, I will

    but you know truth is stranger than fiction!

    I loved Al pacino’s devil’s advocate

    You know I once read a story; perhaps true

    In Baghdad ( somewhere around 11-12th century) people used to feast, party and torture the meek.

    one day a beggar was beaten by a gang. The beggar ran but ultimately got cornered.

    Everybody started pelting him with stones and started laughing.

    the beggar asked the crowd ” is there even a single bloke amongst you who feels this is wrong?” reply was all laughter

    the beggar said ” if not a single man within you feels this is wrong, then you have invited your doom'”

    after few days, Baghdad was Invaded by…. a gentleman called Genghis Khan. History says that he made a minaret of skulls.

    Sir, I dont wish to say anything further. Bloggers here are wise enough to know what Iam implying.

    When you see politicians, clerics, sportsman and public doing all this nonsense and getting respected, you know the show is about to get over.

    I used to read on many blogs but I wasnt sure whether to agree or disagree. With passage of time, I feel have to agree with critics of pakistan

    Pakistan is a failed experiment!

  77. #77 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 10:31 PM

    The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently


  78. #78 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 10:39 PM

    corruption is worse than prostitution. The later might endanger morals of an individual, the former invariably endangers morals of the entire country

    karl kraus

  79. #79 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 11:03 PM


    Pacino is best known for the Godfather trilogy and Scarface but I didn’t like him that much in those movies.

    I liked him from watching Scent of a Woman, Dog Day Afternoon, Heat and And Justice For All.

    Heat is a monster of a movie and has De Niro and Pacino in main roles. It is hard to tell who is better in that movie. They both have good roles and good scenes.

  80. #80 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 11:09 PM

    I have watched heat and bit of scent of woman

    have u seen devil’s advocate?

  81. #81 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 11:12 PM


    I think that is the only one of his well known movies I have not seen.

    I have seen clips but not the entire movie.

  82. #82 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 11:17 PM

    Well you should

    just google pacino’s dialogue in the ending of the movie.

    u can also see it on utube

    Are u happy with the punishment given to these guys or do you think they are lucky?

    i understand the legal constraints but If even one of these play again, it would be a big slap to all this anti corruption stuff

  83. #83 by Aatma-hathya on November 5, 2011 - 11:18 PM


    Did you get bored while watching Scent of?

    I think it would have been very difficult for most actors to portray such an unlikable character so positively and make people feel sympathy for him.

    It is after I saw Pacino and De Niro that I realised acting is not only about a natural presentation and success in evoking those emotions from the audience that the film makers envisaged. It is also about STYLE which many actors want to adopt but few actually end up being well received from the public.

  84. #84 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 11:23 PM

    A klhansahab

    I didnt watch the whole thing… just some clips

    i know pacino delivered a powerful performance

    There is a movie ‘ Usual suspects” in which kevin spacey plays role of a crippled man; powerful performance and excellent acting!

  85. #85 by tom on November 5, 2011 - 11:30 PM

    have u seen ” as good as it gets’ jack nicholas and helen hunt are lead actors

  86. #86 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2011 - 4:21 AM


    It is true that Genghis Khan invaded Iraq but it was Halaku Khan who massacred Iraqis and made a mountain of skulls, reportedly one and a half million or more.

    As regards Pakistan a failed experiment, it is not that the product that came out is wrong or bad, it is the people who failed and it is the people who made it bad.

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2011 - 4:26 AM

    I have seen as good as it gets, helen hunt ab buddi ho gayee but she and Nick both are good actors.

    There is one of Nick with Tom Cruise called a few good men, and I remember the dialogue when he says I want to know the truth, and nick yells but you cannot handle he truth ………. A couple of times on TV, Shaitaan Ka Vakeel aa rehi thee, but somehow, I got bored after a few minutes and flipped the channel.

    Scent of a Woman was good.

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2011 - 4:27 AM

    It is 12:30 am here and today is Eid. EID MUBARAK TO ALL OF YOU

  89. #89 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 7:28 AM


    i am not into drama movies a lot and I don’t watch romance movies. I haven’t seen As Good, but I saw Helen Hunt in What Women Want (again, clips but not the entire movie) and from memory she is quite attractive.

    Javed A Khan

    I think that movie, “A Few Good Men” with Cruise and Nicholson is overrated, although Nicholson gives a good performance. Despite being in the movie in only 2 or 3 scenes he got nominated for an Oscar. I remember Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now who got nominated for (or maybe he won) an Oscar for appearing in one scene only.
    Bollywood made a movie called “Shaurya” which was a copy of A Few Good Men, but as usual it was a poor imitation.

  90. #90 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 7:30 AM


    Yeah, I’ve seen Usual Suspects and Spacey was good. Although I saw it around 5 years ago- I have seen so many thrillers like it so I couldn’t enjoy it that much. But, when it came out in the 90s, it must have been really big because Usual Suspects kind of introduced the concept of “plot twist towards the end”.

  91. #91 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 7:36 AM


    There was always a chance Aamer would play again. Everyone knows he is not at the forefront of spot fixing. It is his first offence. He was following orders. He is young.

    So all these factors count.

    Let us wait and see what happens because, Butt is definitely serving time in prison and his sentence may be reduced.

    Asif has a passing chance of coming out clean.

    I also don’t want either of them to play again. Even if Aamer doesn’t play for 5 years because of his ICC ban (or was it 7 years?) who knows what the situation might be after 5 years. There might be so much competition that Aamer finds it difficult to get back.

  92. #92 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 7:38 AM

    Eid Mubarak to all.

  93. #93 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 7:41 AM


    I know you are “Teheek e Insaaf ka khaas aadmi” ;). But yesterday I was watching an interview of Sarfraz Nawaz who claimed that Imran Khan’s father was in Z Bhutto’s government and he was dismissed on charges of corruption.

    Any comments?

  94. #94 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 7:46 AM

    Misbah is playing at a strike rate of 34.

    I hope Sri Lanka can score at 5 runs an over in the 50 or so overs they get today and put Misbah in an interesting position on day 5.

  95. #95 by Mohammed Munir on November 6, 2011 - 8:35 AM

    EID Mubarak To All On LS …

  96. #96 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:30 AM


    LoL at tehreek e Insaaf ka khas aadmi

    Khansahab mein ahmaqon ki jannat mein nahi rahta

    i know Imran’s bubble will burst; its possible even before the election. even if he wins, things wont change.

    JAK, if you read my comment, I said it was a story. sometimes writers mix facts with fiction- point was insensitivity of a society. you agree with my views when you blame the consumer, not the product. bottom line is history looks at success and failure- either a nation becomes powerful or gets diminished.

    KS. i dont much about IK’s father apart from the fact that he was an engineer. well if he was corrupt, that is his fault; IK cant be blamed for that.

    Secondly, we all know character and calibre of Nawaz; how he screwed Rani actress!

    Even IK doesnt have a clean character- sita white etc although I dont approve a public discussion of such stuff.

    KS,I think u want pakistan to lose; hehe!

  97. #97 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:38 AM


    everybody has his own taste! the most fabulous thing in ” as good as it gets’ was jack’s compliment to helen.

    At a date, helen asked jack to compliment her and praise her.

    jack said ‘ when i saw you, i started taking my pills/medicine”

    helen ” is that a praise?’

    jack ” when I saw you, i realized I had to be a better man than what iwas’

    helen ‘ thats the best praise/ compliment i ever heard’

    jack had some psychological problem and i guess he skipped his medicine. He started taking his medicine after meeting hunt.

    KS, you dont like romantic stuff! thats weird1

    From what I read on this blog, you have a flair for poetry. generally poets are into romance/ ishq etc..

    is that a perennial thing or was there a transformation !

  98. #98 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:43 AM


    A lead of 300 would be ideal for SL

    it would make up for an interesting final day’s play

    u r rite abpout misbaaaaah!

    dull career

  99. #99 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:45 AM


  100. #100 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:49 AM


    media is abuzz with sachin’s 100th 100.

    i think we will read more about sachin here when he gets there!

  101. #101 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:51 AM


    yes aamer may find it difficult to get back but…… paki system favors corrupts and has an affinity for them. he wont be the first or the last one!

  102. #102 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:56 AM


    you yesterday posted news about rapes and crimes in pakistan

    today a minor boy was raped in punjab

    My question to you is

    are these new phenomena or its just a xcase of media now highlighting them- they always happened

  103. #103 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 10:23 AM


    4 pml n assembly members and 22 q league leaders have contacted PTI for inclusion.

  104. #104 by Mohammed Munir on November 6, 2011 - 10:24 AM

    I agree with ‘tom’, Khansahab really wants Pakistan to loose to teach Misbah a lesson.

    That is not fair, to say the least. 😦

  105. #105 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 10:27 AM


    sanga playing with aggression, paranvitana dropping anchor.

    munir, time is running out. SL have to take 10 wkts and I dont think they will declare today

  106. #106 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 10:28 AM

    Well played sanga

    500 runs for the series!

    what a servant for SL

  107. #107 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 10:33 AM

    Hafeez doing a tightening job

    i think sanga will throw the kitchen sink after tea but I feel match will peter towards an interesting draw

  108. #108 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 10:37 AM

    I think SL should aim for 120 runs in final session ande declare

    250 is a tough ask on final day and paki batting can collapse

    2-0 or 1-0; SL will lose if they dont have enough time

  109. #109 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 11:18 AM

    A draw now the most likely outcome as sanga gone!

  110. #110 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 11:39 AM

    Munir sahab/Tom

    Is it wrong to curse Misbah if he bats just to improve his average and not for the team?

    It is the darkest before dawn and Misbah is the darkness in the Pakistan team.

    He lost Pakistan the WC due to his selfish batting. I am not alone in saying this- Basit Ali said this and so did other commentators.

    In every match he bats defensively and either does not hit at all, or only hits when he has reached a sizable score.

  111. #111 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 11:41 AM


    Hum Ashiq hain leken romantic filmon waaley nahin…..

    Jahan tak shair o shayari ki baat hai, bas nacheez paan kha letey hain….idhar gaye, “i am agree” bol diya, oodhar gaye, “I am agree” bol diya….

    Shair toh aap ney para hoga hamari kitaab, “Bisaat” sey……

    Arz kiya hai….

    “Pasand aa gayi hai zamanay ko “I am agree” meri……

    Wagarna mera shair kya hai! Meri shayari kiya hai!!”

  112. #112 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 11:45 AM


    I think it might be a new phenomenon with the rapes and similar crimes because Pakistanis are now very lawless and impatient.

    On the other hand obviously the media has grown now and reports more incidents.

    Doesn’t portray a great image of the country though.

  113. #113 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 11:46 AM

    Metallica concert fiasco: Judicial custody for four

    Gurgaon: Four officials of an event management company organising last week’s cancelled Metallica concert were on Thursday sent to judicial custody for 14 days by a local court, police said.

    Rajesh Kumar, the general manager of DNA Entertainment Networks, and his colleagues Umesh Chinara, Ashok Singh and Savio Faleiro were arrested October 29 on charges of cheating and breach of trust and sent to police custody for six days.

    The lawyer for the accused persons said he will move their bail plea on Friday.

    The much-anticipated concert by the American hard rock band Metallica, scheduled for October 28, was cancelled at the last minute.

    Over 25,000 fans had gathered at the Leisure Valley Park in Sector 29 to watch the concert, the opener for the ‘F1 Rocks’ series of performances for the Formula One race at Greater Noida.

    Upset over the cancellation, the fans vandalised the stage, damaged expensive equipment and broke barricades.

  114. #114 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 11:51 AM

    Tom/Javed A Khan

    It might be a noble thought to create a country so that one people can live without religious oppression, but at the same time one has to consider practicalities.

    One wonders whether the Pakistani founding fathers actually knew about the ethnic divide, class divide and religious extremism that could overtake Pakistan.

    I guess living with the Hindus and the British for all their lives, they could never envisage the storm they would create by placing these uneducated and uncouth people together as one country. If ethnic animosity is not enough, you have feudalism vs middle class vs lower class. If that is not enough you have Mullahgiri vs liberalism.

  115. #115 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 11:54 AM


    Seriously speaking……I don’t want to disappoint you so I thought it is best to clarify.

    Most of the Urdu I utter on this blog is just “suni sunai” Urdu- things I have heard on TV or from other people.

    There is no originality here because my Urdu is quite weak. I did not receive a good basic education in Urdu.

    So if I have at times not responded to a shair of yours, chances are I probably did not understand it!

  116. #116 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 11:57 AM


    SL are in no hurry. 20 overs remaining today and they are only 188 runs ahead. They have 8 wickets in hand- surely they can try and score at 5 an over from now on and post a lead of 300 runs.

    My guess is Pakistan will not chase anything over 300. They will draw the match.

  117. #117 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 12:10 PM


    I read the PTI might be forging an alliance with N League.

    If that happens it is disgraceful.

    PTI will be really stupid to do that because N League is its main competitor.

  118. #118 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 12:13 PM


    Both West Indies and India are playing their best XI’s.

    West Indies have done well to reach 250, battling Indian spin.

  119. #119 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 12:14 PM


    Tendulkar will get his 100th century. And I don’t think he will always struggle in the nervous 90s. He can reach the milestone by hitting a 4 and 6 too because he has done that previously.

  120. #120 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 6, 2011 - 12:14 PM

    Guys, I have just finished reading all your comments, I thought I may be able to respond to a few but, there is no time, I have to rush for Eid Salaat and then it is a very busy day, breakfast, qurbani, brunch, dinner all booked ………….. jaisay hum paida hee khanay kay liyeh howay hon? 😀 Its true in my case, bus Allah ka shukar hai kay it doesn’t show on my body due to my high metabolism rate I burn the calories faster than others. Hopefully if I am home early after dinner then I may write. Take care all of you and once again a very happy EID MUBARAK TO YOU ALL.

  121. #121 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I am trying Thai food today- for the first time.

  122. #122 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 1:05 PM

    LOL the batsman was run out there, Waqar’s pathetic commentary continues but the keeper had dislodged the second bail before the batsman got back.

    The idiot TV umpire (Shozab Raza- Pakistan) gave it not out.

  123. #123 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 1:11 PM

    Misbah is being criticised heavily for defensive field placements.

    A debutant is playing and faced Ajmal- Misbah did not place a silly point.

    Generally the field placement is defensive.

    Tony Grieg and Jayasuria are saying that Pakistan look like they don’t want to win this.

  124. #124 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 1:16 PM

    Birmingham travel agent guilty over ‘slum’ trip to Mecca

    A Birmingham travel agent who sold a family a £10,000 trip to Mecca but left them sleeping in “slum” conditions has been convicted of fraud.

    Chowdhury Haffez Ahmad, 38, who ran Hellenic Travels, was also found guilty of three charges of breaching package tour regulations.

    Cockroaches were found in a fridge during the Noori family’s trip in 2009, Birmingham Crown Court heard.

  125. #125 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 1:24 PM

    A khansahab

    Sir I never questioned youir views towards the match- you are right in your criticsm towards misbaaah!

    But match looks to be a draw

  126. #126 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 1:25 PM

    A khansahab

    Iam agree with yoiur views about pakistan creation- founding fathers never thought this would be the end result.

    sad but true!

  127. #127 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 1:29 PM


    You are being too modesttt about your urdu

    youir urdu is miles better than mine

    I dont what a ghazal is and my poetry is as good as my singing- bathroom singer

    I read your comments when you debated with sagaat and some of the poetry you quoted was coool!

    My urdu is a shocker !

  128. #128 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 1:30 PM

    If PTI makes an alliance with ganja, then they r dead

  129. #129 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 1:33 PM

    pasand agaya tom ko Waqqa ki ” youngsta beautyy ” magr

    Nargus ka dance kya hai, Veena ki Ayaashi kya hae

  130. #130 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 1:34 PM

    Another haaji caught- OOff , gimme a break. he must be very religious tooo

  131. #131 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 1:42 PM


    Ur anaslysis about pakistan is good , but upon careful introspection I have a question

    Its the same with India, why India is relatively stable and progressive?

    perhaps religion should not be the driving force behind creation of a country

    pkakistan ka matlab kya? 2 NATION THEORY, FORTRESS OF ISLAM etc

  132. #132 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 1:45 PM

    Tom ko shair na kaho KS ke sahab hum ne

    Andey aur tamatar kye jama to fridge bhara

  133. #133 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 2:25 PM


    I don’t think the problem is with religion being the driving force. Israel was also created on the basis of religion.

    I have said the following before as well, but first the problem is that India does not suffer from such ethnic divide where 60% are Punjabis and 40% rest. I can’t think of any country with such demographics. You might see a similar ethnic situation in Malaysia or Singapore, but they are a different entity because other ethnicities have migrated there. In other words, Pakistan was created for all Muslims including Bengalis and Urdu Speakers but most of them are not even present in modern day Pakistan.

    Secondly, feudals wield enormous power in Pakistan because 70 or 80% of the population lives in villages. Firstly India has more urbanised population. Secondly many of the feudals are only feudal in “title” now and their lands are effectively managed by the government. This has a link with politics because in India there is a lot more middle class representation in politics. You can say that the Gandhi family still runs Congress, but it is much more democratic than PPP or N League.

    Thirdly even though there is religious extremism in India, religion has not prevented people from sending their girls to schools and learning sciences and humanities. That is why education wise India is miles ahead of Pakistan.

    So in a nutshell- less ethnic divide, more middle class and open attitude to education has resulted in this disparity we have today.

    There are other reasons too which are less significant. Whenever the Indians saw that there could be trouble brewing up along ethnic lines, they divided states and devolved power. This made local democracy stronger and made people feel more strongly about being part of the federation. In Pakistan they were always too scared to do that because Karachi would effectively be controlled by Urdu Speakers which means that banks, stock exchange, sea trade etc would be controlled by them. They tried to play dirty politics out of fear and paranoia but they did not realise that it would sow seeds of mistrust and discord.

    Now they want create new provinces in Punjab to give local people more representation and more rights.

  134. #134 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 2:39 PM

    Pakistan’s senior judges blame PCB inaction for Pakistan fixing

    KARACHI: Pakistan’s senior judges, who conducted match-fixing inquiries in the past, said their recommendations to check corruption in cricket were ignored and that led to the latest betting scandal.

    A British judge on Thursday sentenced former captain Salman Butt to 30 months, fast bowler Mohammad Asif one year and Mohammad Aamer to six months for their roles in fixing last year’s Test against England.

    Their agent Mazhar Majeed received a 32-month jail term.

    Pakistan conducted different inquiries on match fixing between 1994 and 2000 but the menace resurfaced during the tour of England last year.

    “When the young cricketers see a lot of money in the game they get distracted and go out of their minds to earn,” said Justice retired Malik Mohammad Qayyum, who conducted a comprehensive inquiry between 1998 to 2000.

    “It was because of that I recommended the Pakistan Cricket Board to check players’ assets from time to time, but no action was taken.

    “Look at Aamer, he is so young and talented, but had there been a proper check on him this case would not have happened.”

    Retired judge Fakhruddin Ibrahim said fixing was not new in international cricket.

    “It’s old and endemic disease,” Ibrahim told BBC Urdu. “Too much money has made the game a business and too much corruption has come in, and that’s not confined to Pakistan only. It’s a problem in India as well and other countries.”

    Ibrahim led the 1995 one-man commission to investigate allegations by Australian trio of Shane Warne, Tim May and Mark Waugh, who blamed then captain Salim Malik for offering a bribe to underperform during their tour of Pakistan.

    Ibrahim absolved Malik of all charges due to lack of evidence after the Australian trio refused to give their statements to the inquiry in Pakistan.

    “PCB needs to make this current case an example, but the problem is that the appointments in the PCB are also political and merit is not followed so such problems surface,” said Ibrahim.

    Justice Qayyum recorded the trio’s statement in Australia and banned Malik and paceman Ata-ur Rehman.

    It also fined former captains Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Saeed Anwar and Inzamam-ul-Haq, and Mushtaq Ahmed and Akram Raza.

    Another judge Ijaz Yousuf said he recommended certain players to be banned in 1998.

    “We conducted an inquiry and recommended that some players be banned and a new team be made, but that was never implemented,” said Yousuf.

  135. #135 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 2:47 PM

    LOL- poor judge is being blamed by idiots

    Protest against UK court verdict

    Supporters of the guilty Pakistani cricket players burned an effigy of London’s Southwark Crown Court judge Jeremy Cooke during a protest in Lahore .

  136. #136 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 2:57 PM

    A khansahab



    There are many differences between the two; israel was created in the backdrop of hitler’s holocaust. Pakistan was created in totally different circumstances. infact till 1930, there was no concept of Pakistan.

    You know hi profile leaders like altaf hussein are on record saying that partition of sub continent is greatest blunder in history of mankind

    Swecondly, pakistan is a muslim country yet there are more muslims in India than in pkaistan. on various cyber forums, this issue is raised and no logical answer is provided.

    My pov is trhat a full exploration needs toi be done behind reasons for pakistan’s creation. there is way too ambiguity- not amongst bloggers like us but even amongst the intelligenta scholar class.

    Finally creation of Bangladesh was a back breaking blow to concept of an islamic state. The way I see it now, Islam is no longer the cardinal reason for existence of Pakistan. It more has to do with regional stability.

  137. #137 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 2:58 PM

    I told you KS paki public will support these jerks- educated or jaaahil; thats irrelevant!

  138. #138 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 3:02 PM


    Are you going to be here tomorrow- just wanting to know whether you will be here while match is ongoing.

    Since Eid is tomorrow in Pakistan I wonder what you will be up to.

  139. #139 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 3:04 PM

    elections in 2012? may be


  140. #140 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 3:07 PM

    I will be here periodically and ill keep a tab on the score via internet.

    To be very frank with you, It will be a dozy day tomorrow. momentum will pick up on the next 2 days. sacrifice is scheduled for later days.

    what abt u? its today rite, so ur into eid prayers and sacrifice e3tc..

  141. #141 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 3:09 PM

    BTW my interest in match is mainly now due to you guys. I felt very pensive after the decision and Iam losing my appetite for ckt.

  142. #142 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 5:00 PM

  143. #143 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 5:02 PM

    Waqqa not happy with afridi

    Acc to Geo news Waaqa has asked afridi to shut up and concentrate on performance. Waqqa has been too critical over afridi’s outbursts and saysa that criticism hurts performance of team and afridi sometimes criticizes him and sometimes Ijaz butt.

  144. #144 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 8:36 PM


    I should chip in tomorrow every now and then.

    As for your appetite for cricket, I feel similarly. In fact you must have noticed I am negative and cynical about this team because firstly they are playing below their potential. There is no intention to attack whether in batting or fielding. Secondly you never know who is a match fixer. Everyone is claiming that match fixing is rife and more Pakistanis are involved.

  145. #145 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 8:40 PM


    Pakistan is not the only official Muslim country but it is the only Muslim country created in the name of religion. Altaf Hussein was speaking about the feudal divide which hampers progress in Pakistan and he was also bemoaning the treatment of Urdu Speakers in Pakistan, who are the most educated class. So from that perspective Partition was indeed a blunder.

    But, from the point of view of those Pakistanis who wanted to live separately from Hindus either due to the prospect of oppression or simply bitterness, this statement is uncalled for and treated as an act of treason.

    And of course it would have upset the ruling Jageerdar, Wadera and Sarmayakaar class.

  146. #146 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 8:51 PM


    I have kept saying repeatedly that until this issue is resolved, that WHY Pakistan was made and WHO it was made for, there cannot be progress. This is because everyone thinks Pakistan was made for them.

    Of course, the Constitution of Pakistan allows every person with every school of thought to live and seek equal rights.

    However, this is something that every constitution mentions. It is crucial to pass a resolution about the creation of Pakistan.

    The Mullahs think it was meant to be an Islamic country because that is why Muslims separated from Hindus.

    The liberals think it was meant to be a secular country because the founding father was a liberal and secular minded person.

    Some Punjabis think they were envisaged to be the natural dominating class because of their numbers and the fertility of their province.

    The landowners and feudals think they are meant to be the dominant class because they were the most powerful people when Pakistan was created and they had status.

    The Urdu Speakers think that modern day India’s Muslims were meant to be equal to other Pakistanis and due to their background of middle class and education they should be the dominant party or at least more influential.

    A lot of non Urdu Speakers think that Urdu Speakers cannot have the same rights to land and prosperity because they are migrants.

    So, there is a massive divide and these questions need to be answered.

    Once there is a democratic resolution of these answers I am sure people in Pakistan will feel more positive about their country and we will see greater unity.

  147. #147 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:16 PM

    A khansahab

    i ve heard altaf hussein’s speech which he gave in India where he taslked about partition as a negative event. His statement was a gweneralized statement and wasnt indicative of any particular context.

    So 60+ yrs down the road and stii its an enigma why pakistan was made? Isnt that strange

    Iam damn sure about one thing- islam is no longer the entity which is dependent upon pakistan. islam wont be jeoparized in the region if pakistan’s existence gets threatened. The only thing that makes sense to me is india would become toooooo strong if pakistan is removed from the equation. Thats a global scenario and countries like China think from that perspective.

  148. #148 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:19 PM


    I just went through archives and i noticed that there were a lot of bloggers, but now most of them seem absent. azny reasons for this or they just got busy?

  149. #149 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 9:35 PM

    There were some people who were more interested in talking about issues which the blog admin could not entertain for long. So they left for that reason.

    Others found jobs, changed countries, got busier.

    Some were using abusive language and personal attacks so had to be booted out.

  150. #150 by tom on November 6, 2011 - 9:46 PM


    I see; anyway i dont prefer crowded set ups. I feel one’s voice gets lost. The good thing here is you can have a meaningful, sustained discussion.

    I read some of your poetry and it was mazedaar!

    KS, what do you prefer? plethora of people commenting or just a handful.

  151. #151 by Aatma-hathya on November 6, 2011 - 10:10 PM


    I prefer meaningful discussion between a handful of people as opposed to “teenage idiot” discussion such as that we have on popular internet forums.

    Two intelligent people can invest better in their time than hundreds of CH2’s.

  152. #152 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 9:13 AM

    Hi KS

    match heading for a draw?

    whats happeneing to this indian batting lineup? they need new quality batsmen
    sachin should also retire once he gets a 100th senkra

  153. #153 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:18 AM

    CH2 was saying theyll win!

    stupid dont even know how to run

    bye hafeezulkar

  154. #154 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:25 AM


    Maybe the Indians have forgotten how to play Test cricket.

    Can’t blame Tendulkar that much if most other batsmen are failing too (like they did in England).

  155. #155 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:26 AM

    Hafeez was saying they will win?

    Under Misbah Pakistan will never win because of their batting.

  156. #156 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:27 AM

    If the team management wanted Pakistan to win would they have sent Azhar Ali at no 3?

  157. #157 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:28 AM


    he’s the stalwart in their lineup

    When he gets out cheaply, opposition feels half the line gone

    perhaps the 100th 100 has psyched him too much

    dravid has been the lone warrior

    tendulkar has to deliver!

  158. #158 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:30 AM


    samuels and sammy are by no means threatening bowlers and they are gtaking wkts

    very ordinasry india

    for a team that boasts world’s best batting lineup, thats embarrasing

    KS, they need an overhaul, what usay?

  159. #159 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:32 AM


    In Test cricket all SRT has done is to play good shots and make centuries and treat good bowlers with disrespect.

    But, his wicket does not have that big a price.

    It is more important to get Laxman, Dravid and Sehwag out.

    SRT was the 5th highest run scorer in the England series- you would have thought he would receive less criticism but he was the most criticised player. After Dravid, SRT scored the most runs. Do you think the criticism he received was fair?

  160. #160 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:34 AM


    pak playin for a draw

    misbaaah will get another badge on his chest


    jab ouper wala meherbaan to gadha pehlwaan

  161. #161 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:34 AM


    Dravid, Laxman. Sehwag and SRT have all been through worse times.

    Although maybe the time has come for Laxman and SRT to retire.

    Dravid was impressive in the England tour, so he shouldn’t retire.

    I agree that after his 100th ton SRT should retire from Tests.

    Laxman also needs to go.

  162. #162 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:36 AM


    This performance by Misbah is equal to deliberately losing the match.

    You play for the country, and the country would have forgiven them if they had decided to chase this target.

    Apart from Taufeeq and Azhar, all of their batsmen can hit boundaries and sixes. Younis, Misbah, Shafiq- these guys know how to play T20.

  163. #163 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:38 AM

    A good team would have decided to chase this total. At least, ask your openers to play aggressively!

  164. #164 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:38 AM


    i dont know about the stats

    but quality players are supposed to deliver when team is down

    right now dravid to me looks the best batsman and stats support him

    SRT only got one half century in england

    thats poor!

    his reputation is much better than this

    stroke play doesnt mean you score 2 odd fifties in 9 innings.

    maybe he needs to adjust and graft in the beginning

  165. #165 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:40 AM

    misbaah is a selfish player and poor captain

    hes lucky to play against SL who dont have a penretrating attack rite now

    they dont want to win

    theyr happy with 1-0

    lousy players

  166. #166 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:41 AM


    I agree that SRT was poor in England. But, he was not AS poor as some other batsmen. And, he is not known for delivering when the team needs him. He delivers on all other fronts except when the team needs him.

    That is why I say that his criticism has been unfair.

    Sehwag is considered to be a match winner and I remember Sagaat on this blog said that, Laxman is a better Test player than SRT. Well, what happened to these 2 Test players?

  167. #167 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:43 AM


    india out for 209


    against such an ordinary attack, they cuoldnt even get 300 on HOME TURF

    India, whats happened to ur batting prowess

    teams feared your batting


  168. #168 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:43 AM


    Pakistan team management should be penalised for this.

    It must be against the PCB’s contract or ICC rules to deliberately not want to win a match when it is winnable.

    It’s a dead pitch and the SL bowling is club standard.

  169. #169 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:45 AM


    they have all flopped

    apart from dravid, all have forgotten art of test ckt

    I think we may be witnessing end of a batting great

    he should bow in a kingly fashion

    wont be vnice if pressure forces him to retire

  170. #170 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:45 AM


    Time for Kohli and Raina to replace SRT and Laxman in Tests?

  171. #171 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 10:46 AM


    i do nt want to talk about fu….in paki management

    shittty people

    they have ruineed ckt

  172. #172 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:46 AM


    What will be really disgraceful is if India lose this Test match.

    Definitely more disgraceful than Pakistan drawing against SL.

  173. #173 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:48 AM


    Rampaul and Edwards have a knack of suprising though.

    Edwards has gone for runs in this match but I remember him ripping through Australian and South African line ups.

    Rampaul can be effective on bouncy pitches.

  174. #174 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:50 AM


    If you read the Cricinfo commentary you can see the commentator is cursing the Pakistan team for playing too defensively and putting themselves in this position.

    It’s a draw, or SL win.

    They have lost 2 quick wickets- now there’s no point in going for the kill. Just draw the match and go home with the trophy.

  175. #175 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 10:55 AM


    Couldn’t agree more with this comment:

    “Truly stunned that chasing 4 an over on a featherbed for just 60 overs was deemed to difficult before attempted.. a draw is a loss for both teams, not a win,” says Harsha

  176. #176 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:11 AM


    if WI score 300, india will most probanly lose the match.

    raina struggled in england, so hisplace in test 11 is suspect

    koli should be tried

    Indian think tank must look beyond tendulkar and laxman, else new batsman hurriedly included tend to struggle

  177. #177 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:15 AM


    if you ponder, youll realise now ckt has entered into transiton phase

    you have england- test no1 who struggle overseas

    india whose batting strength is gradualyy diminishing

    pakistan- pure case of maladministration and match fixing and pathetic leadership

    SA and AUS – good contenders for n02 spot and may be musical chairs with no1 spot

    So its just like 17th century subcontinent- loads of mini kingdoms with a collapsing moghal empire. england like a weak mughal empire and rest of teams as mini kingdoms.

  178. #178 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:19 AM


    how long will indian board persevere witn tendulkar for his 100 sekdra

    it looks its now becoming a monkey for tendulkar

    if he doesnt score that elusive century here, it will be a big problem

    perhaps a 2test series with zimbabwe

    i dont wnat him to exit on a negative note- way too good a plsayer for such a thing to happen but life is cruel!

  179. #179 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:21 AM

    SL stop trying; match is destined vfor a draw.

    shake hands with this missed period basshole and let him cherish a phyrric victory

    dont waste our time

  180. #180 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:23 AM

    India find some hostile fast bowlers, this is not going to help you

    5 overs with new ball and spinners in operation1

    just look how edwards blunted you on a batting track

  181. #181 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:29 AM

    LOL @ Sultan of Stodge ( cricinfo commentary on misbaaah’s arrival)

  182. #182 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:31 AM


    another star is setting

    Younus khan

  183. #183 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 11:31 AM


    Don’t you think India and England’s performances on each other’s turfs were one-offs?

    I mean, both of them should have done better……..it is not typical of them to play so poorly.

    Is is better to consider this as a one off rather than a new trend in world cricket?

  184. #184 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 11:32 AM


    Spinners are doing the job for India.

    Good decision by the captain.

  185. #185 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:39 AM


    england has been struggling on indian pitches for many years

    indian aging batting was exposed o this tour

    i dont see a radical or overnight change so i feel a new order is being created

  186. #186 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 11:42 AM


    England have been doing OK on overseas tours for a while now…..

    I haven’t checked their recent performances in India, but they have improved in every department including overseas performance.

    Similarly I think Indian performance was more to do with IPL mania and fatigue of playing too much cricket.

    But, I may be wrong.

    I agree that at the moment Australia and South Africa look stronger.

  187. #187 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:44 AM


    do you see stodge gettin out?

    i would love it

  188. #188 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 11:47 AM

    LOL Tom

    There are more chances of him blocking the ball to sunset.

    He has a good defence- but he clearly needs to score more fluently too.

  189. #189 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 11:52 AM


    players like him diseased minds are destroying the young players in the team- depriving them of positivity and killer instinct.

    i wonder what bloggers like shafqat and abbasi would say who were all praise for stodge recently.

    this is like polluting cricket- no intent to win.

    these guys were calling stodge imaginative, enterprising…. – nonsesnse!

  190. #190 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 12:02 PM


    Yeah, because of his relatively better education and age people don’t accuse him of match fixing, but like I keep saying, this kind of performance is equal to deliberately losing a match.

    If a target is achievable and you don’t want to go for it- isn’t that a lot like deliberate underperformance?

    Misbah has shown he can clear the boundary. In fact in the first T20 Cup he could hit sixes at will.

  191. #191 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 12:21 PM


    Someone just commented on Cricinfo that if Pakistan had played aggressively and had lost people would have been blaming them for irresponsible batting.

    But, that is a big NO because Pakistan is already 1-0 up in the series. It is better to play positively and draw the series then play negatively and win it.

    Your strike rate just demonstrates what intent you carry.

  192. #192 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 12:26 PM


    Some said that if India has a “wall” (Dravid) then Pakistan has an electric fence (Misbah) !


    The wall can play swing, pace and bounce and he knows how to win matches. But the electric fence is a dud.

  193. #193 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 12:35 PM


    strike rate clearly shows u want to win the series bcoz u fear that chasing it u might lose the match.

    andhon mein stodge raaja

  194. #194 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 12:36 PM


    Misbah might take Pakistan to no 5 or 4 in the rankings because of his genius in drawing matches.

    He will retire in the next couple of years. Pakistan does not play Tests against Australia or South Africa in 2012.

    But, what happens if they play these teams in 2013, 2014? They will get annihilated

    So, would you say this team is in “rebuilding” phase?

    Whatever this team is doing, they need to be able to compete with top teams.

    South Africa and Australia cannot be beaten with negative intent.

  195. #195 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 12:36 PM

    taufeeq gone but he will remain in team for one yr thanks to a duobleeeeee hundreeed he scored

    hes another stodge

  196. #196 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 12:42 PM


    they will even struggle to beat England

    they wont progress beyond 4

  197. #197 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 12:43 PM

    this team is in demolition phase

    you dont groom youngsters like this plus the sword of fixing

  198. #198 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 12:45 PM

    The draw should be taken out of Test cricket. This kind of cricket is horribly boring to follow. As an Australian, I’d rather see us lose giving the win our best shot, than this kind of negative cricket. Who wants to see batsmen with strike rates of 30 or below (other than the hardcore purists)?,” says Mark. I don’t agree – the hard-fought draw is a thing of beauty. This, I agree, isn’t.


  199. #199 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 12:46 PM

    Test cricket is dying stodge ………………………

  200. #200 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 12:48 PM


    this is pathetic

    its worse than PTV khabarnama!

  201. #201 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 1:15 PM


    That is my point- what use is this rebuilding if it is focusing on draws, not wins?

    You can’t be a top 3-4 team anyway if you lack attacking mindset.

  202. #202 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 1:24 PM


    i already had a dozy day today and this has sedated me virtually

    Test ckt has been mutilated

  203. #203 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 1:30 PM


    world cups till 1983 were 60 over events.

    i dont recall any team scoring 87 in 57 overs. if any team scored less it was due to the fact they were bowled out.

    stodge made a rapiddddddddddd 9 of 86 balls; partnership btw him and asad 10 runs in 95 balls

    even if they scored at 3 / over,it would have 180 odd runs- at least an exciting draw.

    this is garbage!

  204. #204 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 1:30 PM


    Test cricket ka janaza hai…..zara dhoom sey nikley

    Pakistan ney cricket ki dhajjian oora deen……

  205. #205 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 1:32 PM

    I think this series has given the theme for the next blog- slow and stodgy wins the series.

    Youll see KS praise showered on stodge- thats the paski culture

  206. #206 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 1:34 PM

    Test cricket ka janaaza would also be very appropriate

    But Zakkaaat will take out his bateeesi and say Eid kaaa tohfa

    Another theme for blog could be ” Test cricket ki qurbaani on bakra eiddd”

  207. #207 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 1:37 PM

    Now the odiss

    bad blood btw stodge and akhroat

    i hope it wont be as boring as this match

  208. #208 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 1:39 PM


    award for most sixes in the match- gimmme a break!

    what a travesty!

  209. #209 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 1:40 PM


    3-2 odi in pak favor
    whats ur take

  210. #210 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 1:42 PM


    With Afridi, Razzaq and U Akmal returning, I agree it looks 3-2 ish.

    Afridi will want to perform because of his return after a long break.

  211. #211 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 1:43 PM

    Ajmal did not deserve MOM along with Sanga.

    Should have been Younis or Sanga.

  212. #212 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 1:50 PM


    IAm agree about ajmallll

    but you know after this pathetic finishhhhh, i give a damn

    ill sip some tea

    seeu later

  213. #213 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 3:18 PM


    Congrats! Pakistan now ranked 5th in world cricket in Tests.

    Ahead of Sri Lanka, West Indies and NZ.

    Some achievement 😀

  214. #214 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 4:33 PM

    Hi khansahab

    rankings aretruly indicative of pakistan’s current position

    aus,sa,eng will beat pak. india is even stevens.

    i had a headache after watching this stodge melodrama.

    whats the purpose of making and playing bthis 37+ buddha

    scum bucket !

    yaar retire hojaa warna agar koi tough team aagai to bohat maar padegi

  215. #215 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 4:45 PM

    Cricinfo first wrote that Ajmal got MOM along with Sanga so that’s what I thought.

    I now see he shared MOS with Sanga.

    Still, didn’t deserve it.

  216. #216 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 4:48 PM

  217. #217 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 4:53 PM

    yes sir, he got mos with sanga

    i knew that you had erred but i was so Bezaaar with this ch2ya match that i didnt raise that.

    honestly, even if ajmal was given sitare imtiaz i wouldnt have raised an eyebrow.
    KS, you know yesterday zimbabwe lost by 30 odd runs. they could have drawn but they went for a win. they lost 1-0 but for me they hold a higher place than this pathetic show

  218. #218 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 5:19 PM


    Yeah man, Zimbabwe did really well.

    This Pakistan team is asking to be mutilated by a better team.

    Yaar sometimes qismat is good- look at Misbah, with players like Taufeeq Umar in his line up he managed to win vs SL. He was lucky this was a poor SL team.

    Taufeeq scored 200 which should summarise the series for you.

  219. #219 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 5:26 PM


    it RAINED- what else one can say.

    you know things change instantly; right know hes on a crest but soon hell find the going tough. i dont mean any malice towrads him but thats not the

    way to play ckt.

  220. #220 by tom on November 7, 2011 - 5:30 PM


    stodge is not the only one whom gods r favoring


  221. #221 by Aatma-hathya on November 7, 2011 - 6:47 PM


    I wonder whether anyone asked Waqar about his famous quote today…..

    “I live in UAE for 2 years and I never seen a rain…….”

  222. #222 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2011 - 2:01 AM


    I think he lived for more than 2 years in the UAE because, he was a student at the Pakistan High School in Sharjah which was called “Pakistan College” for some reason.

    btw, he is a real ch2so4 to say I never see a rain, because, it rains every year in the UAE and it rains mostly between Nov. to April. The only time in the known history of the UAE (at least since the 1960’s) it rained in July was in 1996. We always used to take vacations in June/July but in 1996 because we did Hajj in April so we decided not to go and it was a big surprise that i was cloudy for 4 days and there was occasional drizzling during these 4 days….. light rain but, not heavy. However, in winter when it rains it pours. There have been floods and once in April 1981 there was a huge hail storm and the size of the hail was as big as a golf ball and thousands of cattle died, thousands of cars got windshield glass broken and the metal got dented, we used to say this car got METAL POX. The storm was so severe that Dubai/Sharjah Road was a graveyard of damaged cars and the wind rolled them away from the highway up to 200 meters. I am sure if Munir was there, he would remember it?

  223. #223 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:12 AM


    Right now his quote is on the front page of cricinfo website.

    He says ” its time he keeps ……..on his cricket

    he is reffering to afridi

  224. #224 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:13 AM


    india looking good?

    19 runs for 10dulkar to get 15k test runs

  225. #225 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:14 AM


    Are you trying to say that he should have said,

    “Afridi is a keep and it is a time he keeps his mouth shut”

  226. #226 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:15 AM


    I didn’t know about this 15k record. Yeah Sehwag’s aggressive innings has probably nailed this match for them.

    SRT isn’t getting a century in this one though.

  227. #227 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:15 AM


    while spot fixing trial was going on , another hi profile trial was taking place.

    michael jackson’s doctor conrad murray was charged with involutary manslaughter.

    i followed the trial and it was interesting.

    doc murray got convicted by jury today.

    did u follow the case?

  228. #228 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:17 AM


    Only briefly followed some of the updates.

    I am not interested in this because it is involuntary manslaughter.

    Of course it would have been interesting if he was charged with murder.

  229. #229 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:17 AM


    india still need 160 odd runs. 10dulkar can get one although it aint an easy pitch

  230. #230 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:19 AM


    I get the feeling that SRT is not retiring any time soon.

    If he had an intention to retire he would have discussed it with someone and because of his star power I am sure someone would have leaked the news.

  231. #231 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:20 AM


    he culdnt have been charged with murder.

    he administered an anaesthetic to jackson at jackson’s home which strictly aint a crime.

    it wasnt easy to get him convicted.

    do u know these things happen so frequently in pakistan- docs screw their patients but they never get punushed.

  232. #232 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:22 AM


    from an indian perspective, he should think along those lines.

    its good that his records give india recognition ,but team results are more important than individual milestones.

    anyway, indians wont let him retire soon !

  233. #233 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:23 AM


    I know he couldn’t have been charged with murder- what I meant was that it would have been interesting if he really wanted to kill MJ.

    The law is complicated in this area- there are reports that MJ wanted his life to end. Also, MJ was loony and I don’t think anyone could have controlled him.

  234. #234 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:24 AM


    if windies want 2 win, they must get dravid. he is the main plyer for india rite now

  235. #235 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:27 AM


    yup, very complicated. i dont know about MJ suicidal tendencies, but he was having severe insomnia.

    he was tough to control but an expert in court said that docs are not supposed to oblige patients. if they do, thats criminal negligence

  236. #236 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:29 AM


    To be honest I don’t care what records SRT has broken. I don’t admire his batting for his records. If you play for 20+ years you are bound to break records.

    It is the way he makes excellent bowlers look like club level, the way he creates “a room” when he is not given any room, and the way he creates shots that makes his batting outstanding.

    I was thinking that he scored his 200 vs South Africa against a 2nd string SA bowling attack but Steyn was playing, and I think Morkel and Tsotsobe were also playing. The highlight of that innings, for me was when Steyn bowled a yorker almost one foot outside off stump and Tendulkar somehow slided outside off and turned it to square leg for a boundary. You had to see Steyn’s face there- he just blew air, shrugged and his face had defeat written all over it.

    This is what I keep telling Javed A Khan, Sagaat and the rest- I have seen Lara, Inzamam, Dravid, Sehwag, Ponting etc play great innings, but I have not seen them play like that. All of these great batsmen improvised, they all made good bowlers look mediocre on occasions- but SRT went the extra mile.

  237. #237 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:29 AM


    what u make of paki leggie imran tahir. do u think he’ll make an impact playing for SA or its just a passing shower?

  238. #238 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:34 AM


    to be very frankkkkkkk with u, i have never heard such a comment from u bfore

    what ur saying gives a completely new dimension about your admiration towards 10dulkar.

    mind u im nascent here, so may b e u can say that u have said this bfore.

    what ur saying just now, makes a lot of senseeeee….

    bowlers echo the same sentiments

    they bowl good deliveries to 10dulkar and get smacked

    the only weakness in him is his inability to get many runs on green tracks -just like on england tour

    thats where i prefer dravid ovr him but ur comment is very true- bowlers hate him due to this quality

  239. #239 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:35 AM


    He came with a bang but I don’t think he is an automatic selection at the moment for SA. Maybe only in T20.

    If people have figured him out he just needs to keep trying and improving himself.

  240. #240 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:37 AM


    He probably averages higher than Dravid on green tracks.

    This England series was definitely a disappointment for SRT (even though he was India’s 2nd highest scorer) and I have agreed that it exposed his weaknesses for which he should have taken retirement.

  241. #241 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:39 AM


    dont have the stats…. so cant argue

    but dravid has a better technique than him for seamy, swinging tracks.

    anyway, nobody’s perfect!

  242. #242 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:39 AM


    I have been saying comments like these for years but I think you have only been with us for a few months, which is why you don’t know the bloggers here that well.

    I have seen Allan Donald, McGrath, Lee, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Warne etc also react like Steyn after SRT has hit them- but I have not seen them react like that against other great batsmen.

    I would urge you to watch the highlights of that 200 vs SA on Youtube- and please tell me if you have ever seen someone handle Steyn like that.

  243. #243 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:41 AM


    where do u see this match going?

    for my money, india by 4 wkts

  244. #244 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:47 AM


    The reason why you like Dravid more than SRT on green tracks is because Dravid is patient and his defence is better. He will simply wait to see off the new ball and he will only hit a boundary on bad balls.

    SRT will look to attack and take on the bowler even if conditions are difficult. That is why he offers more chances.

    Once Akhtar said that, SRT is easier to get out than Dravid, and this is true. Sehwag is even easier to get out than SRT- that is simply to do with their styles of batting.

    I have just checked the stats- Dravid averages more in England and NZ, SRT averages more in Australia and South Africa. You may say even stevens here as far as green tracks are concerned, but if you look beyond the past 5 years, Australia and South Africa have been much better teams than England and NZ so SRT will take the honours here.

    Meaning- Steyn, McGrath, Lee etc on green tracks are more threatening than Chris Martin, K Mills etc.

  245. #245 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:51 AM


    If no wickets fall today the margin of victory may be larger than 4 wickets.

    But I agree that it looks like in that 5 wkt/4 wkt region at the moment.

  246. #246 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:53 AM

    I will watch that knock!

    yes, warnie, akram, bra waqqa, donald, pollock, mcgrath etc do echo these views. i know that and one cant deny he’s very great.

    bowlers frown at his stroke play and he makes them look ordinary.

    KS, when one aspires for greatness he is thoroughly scrutinised.

    10dulkar,s grey area is match winning knocks and pressure innings ( as india was under pressure in england, we point out in terms of green pitches).

    people do find some chinks there in his armor. so either you are a genuine critic or perhaps u expolit that point coz u dont like 10dulkar.

    so either ur mates here may have genuine reasons or may be they dont like him

    very hard to tell !

    U have to acknowledge everybody is free in their choices, so if somebody berates 10dulkar thats his perspective. one cant force someone to change his heart.

  247. #247 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:59 AM


    Correctly said.

    I am not trying to change anyone’s opinion because it is clear to me there is a fundamental disagreement between my views and some other bloggers’ views. And we have discussed Tendulkar millions of times here so further discussion will not help.

    My comments were only meant for you- not for anyone else.

    As for his weaknesses, I have always highlighted his failures when it comes to playing pressure innings.

  248. #248 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 11:03 AM


    4 Hindu doctors have been shot dead in Pakistan today.

    Whoever is behind all of this, it is extremely sad and disturbing.

  249. #249 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 11:11 AM


    if he can thrash mcgrath, warne, donald, steyn etc then he should have demolished likes of martin, mills, gough, caddick, hoggard etc..

    but thats not the case!

    IMO, english wickets are the most green wkts while aussie tracks are the bounciest.

    so there are some avenues where certain players r better than him.

    thats where the problem starts.

    when you want to be the best, you are analysed in all areas and checked whether someone is better than you in a particular department.

    mind you, the objective of that exercise is not to prove that player is better but to show ur favorite is lesser in that area!

    thats what players and public do

    they know 10dulkar’s grey areas and highlight them

    whether someone considers him an imperfect god or someone intentionally wants to belittlle him for different reasons is another matter.

    anyway, for me definitely a great player but with little grey areas- just like all of us hes a human not a god.

  250. #250 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 11:31 AM


    about hindu docs, i heard from u

    in pk there are many forces working.

    its very difficult to predict pakistan’s fate after 10 yrs. ( some would say even 5)

  251. #251 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 12:54 PM


    More than his record in England and NZ in my opinion his worst performance was against Pakistan in the WC semi final.

    If that 80 odd he had scored was a positive knock every forum and video site would have it- just like his knock in the WC QF against India when he thrashed Akhtar and Akram. Youtube is filled with the highlights of that video.

    Even the most mediocre Pakistan bowler made him uncomfortable, he offered four chances and he looked scared and vulnerable.

    And the worst bit was, they made him MOM. It should have gone to either an Indian bowler or Pakistan bowler.

    Of course from Pakistan’s side the blame goes to Misbah, then K Akmal and then Younis for losing the match.

  252. #252 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 12:55 PM


    Once your Quaid Imran Khan comes the situation might become better! 😉

    Or worse 😀

    Just joking

  253. #253 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 1:39 PM


    my quaid is a …………………khan……………….( haha… asghar khan)

    on a serious note, immy is a two faced man

    hes benefitting from 2 pathetic leaders-zarda and ganja

    IK has galvanized the public but lacks policy!

    BTW ur favorite is enjoying things in US ( hehe…)

    Anyway, if anyone improves things for pakistan, hes my favorite!

    BUT WHO????

  254. #254 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 1:41 PM


    10dulkar will be remembered as an iconic cricketer with a few question marks

    He will be bracketed with bradman as a legend

    some will say bradman is great, some will support 10dulkar

    the debatre will rege on and cricket will continue to entertain!

  255. #255 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 3:12 PM


    A successful rally doesn’t mean you can win votes in Parliament.

    You need to be able to win the majority in your constituency. The people who celebrated in IK’s rally came from all over Punjab and KP, unlike the N League rally which had mostly Lahoris.

  256. #256 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 3:15 PM

    Buffoon’ Ijaz Butt and cronies shamed Pakistan cricket not trio

    By Muhammad Ali

    Now that the guilty verdict has been announced by a United Kingdom court against Pakistan star players – Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Aamir – and the entire world is condemning the trio for their ‘misdeeds’, its time to seriously contemplate what led to this very unfortunate incident in the history of Pakistan cricket. The three brilliant players of contemporary cricket, who should have been setting the world alight with their sporting feats, now find their names written alongside late South African captain Hansie Cronje, former Pakistan captain Salim Malik and former Indian captain Mohammad Azharuddin in cricket’s ‘Hall of Shame’.

    The trio, who have been ensnared by the British legal and penal system, could have been saved from this embarrassment and jail terms. But, alas, we are a nation of contradictions. We are a confused, weak and coward nation. We are a big failure in solving and handling intricate or even simple issues at national and international levels. Other countries and nations can go to any extent to save and defend their stars or even ordinary citizens if they have committed a ‘mistake’ ‘ an offence’ or have been ‘trapped’ for personal gains. But, frankly, we are quite the opposite. We make our heroes ‘criminals’ even before anything is proved against them. A foreigner can visit this ‘Land of the Pure’ and involve himself in any kind of illegal activities or even commit murder. No one can dare touch him if he is an American or British. He is even allowed to go home with full protocol. But we care least about our star players what to say about ordinary citizens, considered as worthless insects. This is our national character.

    When the spot-fixing drama came to light in the United Kingdom last year, the best recourse for the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) was to handle it on its own rather than allowing the International Cricket Council (ICC) to intervene. The ICC gave enough time to the PCB to tackle the issue but the crippled board, with misfit personnel at helm of affairs, made Pakistan cricket a shameless circus. From 2008 to October 2011, the biggest disaster to hit Pakistan cricket was Ijaz Butt. From day one of his tenure as PCB chairman, Ijaz started demolishing Pakistan cricket gradually. And last month he left the coveted post with a smiling face. What a shame. What more agonising was that he was given a farewell by new PCB chief Zaka Ashraf, a close buddy of President Asif Ali Zardari and with no cricketing background, with tributes without realising what harm Ijaz did to Pakistan cricket. Ashraf’s glowing tribute to Ijaz, perhaps, is the beginning of a new destructive era for Pakistan cricket.

    Ijaz’s and his cronies’, including the incompetent and brainless legal team, amateur and idiotic handling of the spot-fixing case in London was the last nail in the coffin of Pakistan cricket. Ijaz and his cronies shamed Pakistan cricket not the trio. Had the PCB and the Government of Pakistan acted in a sane and judicious manner, Pakistan cricket could have avoided the shame and saved the careers of three talented players. To some extent President Zardari is also responsible for this tragedy. His ‘continued love’ for Ijaz brought Pakistan cricket to the lowest ebb.

    Until the scandal hit, Salman, Asif and Aamir were in position to forge great careers and spearhead Pakistan to much better fortunes. Last year, all three were at the forefront of turning around a team that was in disarray from infighting. Salman became the Test captain at 26, Asif had somehow come back from doping suspensions to continue being a threat to any seasoned batsmen on any surface, and Aamir was considered the hottest fast bowling prospect in the world.

    Maybe the trio, dazzled by the quick money that their father and brothers, could not expect to earn in their lifetimes, would have fallen in almost any circumstances. They could have said no, but with what encouragement, what support, what suggestion that they had another choice? These are the questions that must haunt the PCB and the ICC anti-corruption unit, having large funds at its disposal, as they are aware of the tentacles of menace and threat that can entrap young players. There have been instances of corruption in cricket extending beyond Pakistan, and corruption in sport extends beyond cricket. The ICC anti-corruption unit has failed in its duty to protect international cricket from bookies and match-fixers. It has missed opportunities to pursue leads and intervene.

    Salman played 33 Tests and scored 1,889 runs with an average of 30.46, Asif, who made his debut in 2005, had taken 106 Test wickets in 23 matches at an average of 24.36, while Aamir had played 14 Tests with 51 wickets before the scandal brought their career to a premature halt. During a prolific 2010 season, Aamir was named man of the match for becoming the youngest player to take a five-wicket haul in England and he also grabbed 19 scalps during the four-match series. It is heart breaking to see our three stars’ involvement in this ugly scandal.

    The ICC has said the verdict will act as a deterrent and stop others from corrupting the sport. “We hope that this verdict is seen as a further warning to any individual who might, for whatever reason, be tempted to engage in corrupt activity within our sport,” said the ICC. But this verdict will not make any difference. The toothless and impotent ICC cannot eradicate corruption from cricket. The myopic ICC can only see Pakistan. To consider that only Pakistan cricketers are corrupt and players of other countries are saints is a wrong perception and an eyewash. Over the years, several other cricketing names have been implicated in the treacherous schemes of rigged cricket outcomes. In the past Australia, England and the West Indies have shown little inclination to investigate within, and there is a feeling in the game that Sri Lanka could have done more. India has also shown reluctance to take the bull by the horns.

    Spot-fixing involves a player, or players, agreeing to perform to order. For example, a bowler might deliberately bowl consecutive wides in his second over or a batsman could make sure he does not reach double figures. Because individual spot-fixing incidents may have no influence on a game’s outcome, they are particularly difficult to detect and the Lord’s offences came to the authorities’ attention only after a sting operation in the British tabloid “The News of the World”. But one should keep in mind that the trio did not influence the outcome of the match. They were ‘used’ by their agent Mazhar Majeed to show ‘The News of the World’ undercover reporter that the players were in his ‘pocket’ and he could make them do, on field, whatever he wanted. Such information would be invaluable to an illegal gambler indulging in spot-betting, in which gamblers can bet on minute aspects of a sporting encounter such as, “How many no-balls will be paid in a given time frame?” Majeed was successful in his endeavour and it ruined the lives of three young persons. With Pakistan players earning a fraction of that grossed by their superstar counterparts in India, our country’s players are widely regarded as easy targets for corrupt elements.

    There may be crimes of greater financial magnitude in Pakistan and Britain than this in the last 12 months or so. If a politician had done this, it wouldn’t even have made it to the news. But cricket touches the heart in a way no other public activity can. Sportsmen attain fame far earlier than people do in almost any other profession. Raw youth is thrust onto a public stage and expected to be mature and discerning. And so Pakistan cricket must ask itself what kind of air the youngsters in the team were breathing. The trio could not have been born corrupt. There must have been something in the Pakistan cricket environment that told them it was okay to do what they did. And they paid a big and heavy price for a very small ‘mistake’. It would have been a much better decision if the jury and UK court had let the trio off with stern warning and fine as they were already facing lengthy bans by the ICC. This bitter UK verdict has broken hearts in Pakistan.

    Some believe that Aamir, who was ‘lured’ to plead guilty to the charges, could make a comeback following the ban. But the chances are very slim. When you stay away from the game for such a long period there’s always a chance that someone else will take your place in the team. The careers of the trio are over beyond any doubt. For some pundits the verdict should be a wake up call for the PCB as it failed to have an effective anti-corruption programme for its players. “Now we need to be very strict in dealing with such matters and for the sake of posterity, implement strong measures to save our players,” they say. But it won’t wake up the PCB from its deep slumber as new chief Ashraf is praising the man responsible for smashing Pakistan cricket to smithereens.

  257. #257 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 3:17 PM

    PCB to appoint specialist batting, bowling, fielding coaches

    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has decided to appoint specialist coaches for batting, bowling and fielding for the national team and has already placed an advertisement on its website, inviting candidates to apply for the positions.

  258. #258 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2011 - 3:26 PM


    What we wrote about Zaka, this guy Muhammad Ali is writing the same stuff, inko ye baat pehlay kion nahee samajh aati? They are all reactive types with herd mentality. He is also saying that Aamir’s chances are slim to come back because someone else takes over the game when you are absent from the team for a long time, its true but for Aamir they will still find a special place, if he finishes his ban in the next few years, he will definitely be back. Such is the paindo Janta here.

  259. #259 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 5:18 PM

    Pakistan’s Revenue Board to probe assets of tainted trio

    LAHORE: Jailed in the UK for their involvement in the spot-fixing scandal, Pakistan’s tainted cricketers Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Aamer may be in for some more trouble as the Federal Board of Revenue has started investigating their assets once again.

    The Board is also investigating the assets of some other members of the Pakistan team including captain Misbah-ul-Haq and former Test opener Imran Nazir.

    “The assets of Butt are again being looked into after some of the evidence was examined at the spot-fixing trial in London,” one source said.

    The source said Butt’s assets came under scrutiny after it was reported during the trial that he had moved an amount of around USD 181,000 from a bank account in Lahore to his mother’s account last year in September when the spot-fixing scandal first broke out.

    He said the assets, including cash and movable and immovable properties belonging to Asif and AAamer, were also being scrutinised and efforts were being made to confirm their sources of revenue.

    Another source said as far as Misbah was concerned the Board believed he was a defaulter of income tax of around Rs 3.7 million while Nazir had also not paid taxes amounting to Rs 1.1 million.

    But a source close to Misbah said that the whole issue was a misunderstanding as most of the taxable income of the players was deducted directly by the Pakistan Cricket Board.

    “Apparently there is some confusion over what exemptions on wealth and property are allowed to the contracted cricketers of the board and former Chairman Ijaz Butt had been vigorously been pursuing this issue with the government before he stepped down,” the source said.

    The source said three of the players under investigation have already been issued recovery notices on account of defaulting on their tax payments.

  260. #260 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 5:23 PM

    Latif feels punishment a little harsh on Aamer

    Karachi, Nov 7: Pakistan cricket’s first whistle blower on corruption in the sports, Rashid Latif believes that the crown court in London acted in a little harsh manner by jailing young pacer Mohammad Aamer.

    Latif though agreed that crown court judge did show some leniency in sentencing Aamer to just six months imprisonment.

    “I have no sympathy for Aamer for what he did but let us not forget he is very young and he did repent. He confessed to his crime. He deserved a lighter sentence,” said Latif.

    “Aamer’s lighter sentence could have also sent the right signals to other players, who are willing to confess and speak the truth or who simply want to get out of the betting or fixing nexus,” he added.

    Latif also said that by sentencing Aamer the court has discouraged other players from coming forward.

  261. #261 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 5:24 PM


    After reading Mohd ali’s article Iam convinced that every ch2 can become a journalist in pakistan

    “Other countries and nations can go to any extent to save and defend their stars or even ordinary citizens if they have committed a ‘mistake’ ‘ an offence’ or have been ‘trapped’ for personal gains. But, frankly, we are quite the opposite. We make our heroes ‘criminals’ even before anything is proved against them.”

    Absolute rubbish!

    infact we make our criminals ” heroes,leaders, cricketers etc”

    people like zardari, and these 3 bhaigaraats are corrupt by origin. its not about education, financial status etc, its about nobility. If I extrapolate mr ali’s theory,

    then even zardari was coaxed and forced into corruption. BS!

    Dont compare legal system of foreign countries with pakistani system .if these guys were tried here, they would have gone scot free.

    aasif was twice caught for doping, had a poor disclipinary record and had affair with a slut. Im not siding with butt but lets be impartial- all these events were pre butt yet

    this senseless aricle doesnt focus on that. of all the people, why aasif was involved? look at his history. If any player was disillusoned with butt it was afridi. did he stoop

    so low. i could shred this ch2 analysis to pieces because its so pathetic. Actually mr ali is one of those blokes who want these players back.

    he says ICC is biased and talks of conspiracy. Bus karo paaglo, aqal sey kaam lo, dunya ko pakistan ki batti bananey ke ilawa aur bhi kaam hain.

    he says trio wasnt born corrupt? excuse me but who is born corrupt?

    “Maybe the trio, dazzled by the quick money that their father and brothers, could not expect to earn in their lifetimes, would have fallen in almost any circumstances. They could have said no, but with what encouragement, what support, what suggestion that they had another choice? These are the questions that must haunt the PCB and the ICC anti-corruption unit, having large funds at its disposal, as they are aware of the tentacles of menace and threat that can entrap young players. There have been instances of corruption in cricket extending beyond Pakistan, and corruption in sport extends beyond cricket. The ICC anti-corruption unit has failed in its duty to protect…”

    How much he thinks zimbabwe players earn? do they indulge in match fixing?

    “Spot-fixing involves a player, or players, agreeing to perform to order. For example, a bowler might deliberately bowl consecutive wides in his second over or a batsman could make sure he does not reach double figures. Because individual spot-fixing incidents may have no influence on a game’s outcome, they are particularly difficult to detect and the Lord’s offences came to the authorities’ attention only after a sting operation in the British tabloid “The News of the World”. But one should keep in mind that the trio did not influence the outcome of the match…”

    Another ch2apa mr ali. Its about the integrity of the game. Secondly, a deliberate no ball can affect outcome of a game. matches sometimes are won by one run.

    I think a statue of butt be ercected outside PCB office and people should be asked to pelt it with stones.

    BUtt is mahaaaaaaaaa assholeeee! but to say that Butt was the ibleeess who led these guys to match fixing is nonsense

    He screwd pakistan ckt and he does share responsibility for every nonsense in his tenure including this event but to primarily label him for this fiasco and calling his

    reign as a bigger shame than this act is ridiculous.

  262. #262 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 5:25 PM

    Scandal likely to affect England series: Razzaq

    MUMBAI: The spot-fixing scandal and the eventual convictions of the Mohammad Amir, Mohammad Asif and Salman Butt may hang like a dark cloud over the upcoming series between Pakistan and England in the UAE, all-rounder Abdul Razzaq has said.

    “The scandal broke out in the series against England and we will play them soon again. But in spite of the on-field bonhomie, some estrangement is bound to exist,” he added noting the recent comments by Andrew Strauss where he warned his players not to let festering ill-feeling towards Pakistan turn into personal vendettas.

    The scandal that emerged during the Lord’s Test last year not only put Pakistan in the spotlight, but also tainted England somewhat.

    “It is bound to affect both teams when such things crop up. For a selected few, the whole team gets the blame. England won the series on merit. Of course, there were questions raised about their capabilities once the corruption was exposed. I feel it was unfair,” he said.

    Commenting on the bans handed out to Amir, Asif and Butt, Razzaq said it was a much-needed lesson for the team but that in the case of the teenage fast bowler the sentence could have reduced.

    “I am personally sad because a youngster of the calibre of Mohammad Amir was involved in it, but I welcome the ICC’s decision and the judgment that followed,” he said.

    “All three of them had potential, but Amir was very young and talented. Sad, he lost his credibility… Don’t know if he will ever come back again.”

  263. #263 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 5:27 PM

    Shabaash lateef bhai! lau aamer ko waapis laoo

    Tum log cheekthey ho phir chori hone par rotey ho

  264. #264 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 5:28 PM


    Yaar President is CH2 and PM is a CH2. PM hesitates and hams when speaking English as well as Urdu.

    So journalist kiss kheth ki mooli hai.

  265. #265 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 5:54 PM


    its not about linguistic skills. We do make fun of waqqa but even we sometimes make bloopers.

    Its about the mindset. one should be fair when analysing things. Butt destroyed and raped Pakistan ckt. no question. But he wasnt the satan who seduced these

    worshippers. These players knew what they were doing. Its quite obvious ch2’s like ali who call Salman butt as emerging heroes- he doesnt know butt is a lousy

    batsman, want them back. so make ijazz butt the scapegoat- nonsense!

    Its the quality of analysis thats irritating. if my neighbour steals a murghi from someone’s house, should I blame zarda for it?

  266. #266 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 6:24 PM


    Waqqa doesn’t know what he is talking about. We do- there is a difference there. I don’t draft my comment on Microsoft Word or use spellchecker or anything like that. I have never done that. Sometimes mistakes happen in spelling or sentence structure etc but that does not mean that we are ignorant- simply careless.

    I am not supportive of that CH2’s analysis but I just wanted to highlight his sentiments about Butt and Zaka.

    But in Pakistan any Tom, Dick and Harry can run a position of responsibility because the emotional and biased people don’t believe in merit. Imran Farhat’s father in law threatened to go on hunger strike a few years ago against the non selection of his pathetic son in law.

    They are CH2’s.

  267. #267 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 6:28 PM


    I agree that Latif should have kept his mouth shut.

    Look there are crimes like involuntary manslaughter that even a doctor of some repute would perhaps not understand. And there are crimes like cheating in sport and taking money to ball a pre planned no ball.

    Why have sympathy for someone who has done the latter?

    That’s what I don’t understand. A 10 year old knows that deliberately bowling a pre planned no ball is wrong. Plus to bowl a no ball and ACCEPT MONEY for it is just plainly disgusting and wrong. Plus to do that when the name of the country is at stake is worse.

    12 year old cricket fans know about the Qayyum Report and match fixing background of Salim Malik etc. So, why is Aamer any different?

  268. #268 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 7:50 PM


    if you want paki society to understand involuntary maslaughter, its just like asking french to understand persian.

    IAM very very agree about this ch2 lateef comment.

    Why the f**k aamer should play?

    i hope i may be wrong but my instinct tells me if these guys play again they will scale new heights

    a snake sheds its skin but never loses its venom!

    But CH2 qaum will never understand- shedding croc tears for aamer.

    Lateef portrays himself to be the informwer and doesnt have the maghaz to understand that these players are like vampires.

    they have tasted blood and will not give up their evil ways no matter how much PCB pays them.

    A shit eater will always go for shit no matter how much you give him biryaani, qorma etc

  269. #269 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 7:55 PM


    regarding WAqqa’s english, i think his education is at most high school. so he cant have much expertise, he will blunder.

    I know you guys dont mean any malice, you just enjoy his bloopers with no disrespect to waqqa.

    Secondly, everybody makes mistakes. i think you mean blunders are not committed by us.

    Plus he now livers in australia gives him the confidence to converse in English ( hehe..)

    Anyway, I love it and so do you.

  270. #270 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 7:58 PM

    your comment today about 10dulkar’s records and reasons for your adulation were very apt.

    I just saw today that dravid has almost 13k runs with avg of 53.

    10 dulkar has avg of 56 with 1500k runs. 10dulkar has played 20 more tests.

    so ur rite in saying longevity does yield records; your admiration is primarily due to his stroke play.

  271. #271 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 8:06 PM


    you know who makes these leaders and playuers corrupt- the PUBLIC

    when public says why harsh punishment, maafi, zarda chor kyunke sab chor bla bla.. they are infact giving a license to them to screw trhe country. So why cry foul when they respond to the national demand- they are just saying LABAIK

  272. #272 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 9:16 PM


    Mistake and blunder can be used interchangeably, or that is my interpretation of the words. If I tell a person that he makes a mistake in his English, it can be interpreted on different levels. Normally, I would think that it can mean the most trivial and careless error of a spelling mistake, or it could mean a complete blooper which reflects poor education or ignorance.

    Anyway, I think I know how you are using these words.

    He has been living in Australia for a long time- I think ever since he got married. It has decimated whatever little English he had learned before.

    Whether we mean disrespect or not, the bottom line is that it is an insult to the English language to have someone like Waqar provide commentary in international cricket. It is a disgrace. Unfortunately commentary is now more about style than substance or about big names. Get a Gavaskar, a Botham, an Akmal or Waqar in the commentary box irrespective of how below average their comments might be.

  273. #273 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 9:20 PM


    Well, in the case of Asif and Akhtar we saw that leopards don’t change their spots. They kept breaking rules and did not learn any lessons because of the CH2 public support.

    Asif started with what? I think first it was substance abuse, then drugs in airport luggage, then the bat-hitting incident with Akhtar, now finally spot fixing.

    He is a big CH2. I remember Afridi was saying that when Asif tested positive for drugs, he came into the dressing room beaming and cheering that his report has been “positive”. He thought that a positive report means, “all is well”. Then one of his team mates pointed out that a positive report means he has basically failed the test.

  274. #274 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 9:25 PM


    Longevity obviously counts, but a player averaging 56 will score more runs in the same number of Tests than a player averaging 53. Between Dravid and SRT it does not matter that much because the difference is only 3, but when you start comparisons with the Laxmans, Inzamams etc then you have to wonder whether it is just longevity or simply more batting talent that has translated into the considerable discrepancy in the batting averages.

    One needs to look at batting average and consistency as well as longevity. I think Alan Border played more than 150 Tests and made many runs but his name does not even come in the “Top 10 batsmen of all time” lists.

  275. #275 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:06 PM


    i agree waqaa doesnt have the calibre to do commentary on TV.

    IMO, aamer also looks same as aaif- time will tell

  276. #276 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:10 PM


    when I compared dravid and 10dulkar’s record, it occurred to me that there is no discernable difference btw the two. but 10dulkar gets much more attention thasn dravid. mind u im only talkin abt test ckt. IMO, dravid is an under rated cricketer

    Indians didnt treat him the way he should have been treated partly becoz he lived under shadow of 10dulkar. when he’ll retire, which seems a 2 yrs from now, perhaps then world will realize a batting gernius has gone!

  277. #277 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:11 PM


    Shortly after being charged with spot fixing Aamer made a court appearance in a shirt which stated, “Legalise weed”.

    This has nothing to do with what my opinions might be about such controversial substances, but you would think that someone would be dressed a little more soberly for court.

    He is either extremely stupid or extremely cunning. And I don’t feel he is stupid.

    He is a chaalbaaz type of guy- look at, how just prior to sentencing he retracted his remarks about taking orders from Butt to deliver the no ball. Before that his case was that he did everything on orders.

  278. #278 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:20 PM


    I agree he’s shrewd. But he’ll get screwd- again and again unless he doesnt mend his ways.

    like u guys discuss here his phadaa with younis khan in t20 WC. he was asking to be treated like wasim akram.

    My observation about human nature tells me every human has certain tendencies by birth- not like that ch2 ali who says these players were not born corrupt.

    What i have seen of aamir tells me he’s the type who uses his innocence to manipulate and trick people- very devious.

    See the sympathy hes getting and even british public is being sensitive about him.

    Yeah I remeber this tshirt thing.

    If he plays again which I think he will, it will be the day cricket will die and match fixing will become a 3rd degree cancer!

  279. #279 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:21 PM


    I like Dravid because of his attitude. His cover drives are the best. And yeah, he is a great batsman and at his peak, about, 5 years ago, he was more consistent than Tendulkar ever was.

    I agree that he has lived in SRT’s shadow for most of his career. But, his batting can become very methodical and boring at times.

    Tendulkar is a complete batsman so he demonstrates everything. He can be defensive but he will surprise all of a sudden and go for the boundary. That is why his strike rate is superior to Dravid’s. He scores runs quicker than Dravid.

    Like I said, they are different players with different styles. Sometimes comparisons are not suitable. Tendulkar has a different expertise and role than Sehwag. Sehwag has a different expertise and role than Dravid. Dravid has this common with Laxman that he plays slowly and absorbs pressure but Laxman primarily plays as a finisher whereas Dravid plays as an innings builder. Tendulkar plays as an accumulator and he is something of a hybrid between an attacker and defender depending on the situation. Sehwag is an attacker and he is given a licence to go for the kill.

    You can’t ask Sehwag to do Tendulkar’s job. You can’t ask Tendulkar to do Laxman’s job.

    This is how good teams apportion roles and they build expertise around these areas. Australia tried this strategy with Hayden, Langer, Ponting and Clarke. Sri Lanka tried it with Jayasuria, Sanga and Jayawardene. Pakistan also found that rigid batting positions and roles suited Yousuf and Inzamam. They were just not used above no 4.

  280. #280 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:25 PM


    Hes not boring like stodge. in test ckt, you need players who can graft. pak had javed miandad

    Strike rate is not important in test ckt. it is in one day ckt. dravid’s style allows him to absorb pressure and drop anchor.

    ur rite in saying team needs dravids and 10dulkars. all of the same aint the rite composition.

  281. #281 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:28 PM


    Yaar Misbah is shit. I didn’t mean to say Dravid is boring like THAT. Misbah is more irritating than boring.

    The difference is that Dravid knows how to play Steyns and Morkels on green pitches and Misbah will be a sitting duck.

    There is a huge difference in talent.

  282. #282 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:30 PM


    misbaah will be slaughtered on gren pitches if he faces steyn, johnson etc..

    He’s lucky to play most of his cricket on feather beds

  283. #283 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2011 - 10:32 PM

    Tom, every ch2 can become a journalist is not the right expression, actually every ch2 is a journalist like Har Shaaq Pay Ullu Baitha Hai Anjaam-e-Gulistan Kya hoga?. I also thought that M. Ali is real stupid and so is Rashid Latif to show MAFFARAY MARWARID AND KHAMEERA GAO ZUBAN of HAMDARD DAWAKHANA. WTF is he talking about Aamir’s punishment he already got a slap on the writs with 6 months in detention center which could be reduced to half if appealed and there are more chances of him coming back into the national side so what else Latif wants? He should shut TFUP and not blab too much, we respect his comments but, that doesn’t mean he is always right.

    khansahab I agree with you, that Aamir is more meesna than Malik, more soowar than Kamran and more Harami than Seeem Chakram. Forget about sympathies I have simply started hating him for what he has recently done or commented. Legalize Weed? Hmmmm Abba jee ki Kheti hai legalize ker do? WTF are they up to?

  284. #284 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2011 - 10:35 PM

    Where has Asaf hidden the money? When Veena came to see Asaf in his village, Asaf asked him where have you hidden the money? She went near a Bhains, patted her on her back and said:

    Bhains Kee Poonch Bay Sabab Nahee Asaf
    Kuch Tou Hai Jis Kee Parda Daari Hai.

  285. #285 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2011 - 10:36 PM

    Asaf must have been very happy kay chalo koos tou hai! 😀 😀

  286. #286 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:38 PM


    every crook and culprit is respected; noble people like javed miandad got screwd.

    pakistan mein izzat beizzat ki hae; shareef koney mein munh chupa ke bheta hota hae jaise ke woh bechara chor hae

    Iam so sure now about amer playing. he will be garlanded and all thius wil be called a conspiracy!

  287. #287 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 8, 2011 - 10:42 PM

    It is very unfortunate that a player like Javed Miandad was disrespected while he was in the national team, not just by others like Lillee who was the aggressor and got a slap on the wrist (a fine of A$27) aur ye rona nahee ghairaon kay balkay ye qissa hai apnaon ka…….. Waseem Akram and Waqar & Co. conspired against him, took over the captaincy from him and used to call him KAALIA……………….. what a shame!!!!

  288. #288 by tom on November 8, 2011 - 10:42 PM

    JAK / KS

    actually in pakistan corruption is not a crime; its jaeez

    u guys curse zarda coz he’s corrupt but public ki nazar mein koi baat nahi

    sab mil kar khao aur mulk ka janaaza nikaldo

    haraam hallal sub bakwaaas!

  289. #289 by Aatma-hathya on November 8, 2011 - 10:45 PM


    Bijli chori ki use kartay hain

    Tax nahi detey

    Ek gharanay mai at least ek banday ki job sifaarish par lagi hui hai

  290. #290 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 1:30 AM


    All this is not new, its been happening since ages and now that the corrupt leader is the President of the country, everything is going haywire and no one cares, they accept life as it is and they also wanna join the bandwagon and make some quick bucks. There is no character, there is no morality, there is no ethics, there is no murrawat, no hamdardi, no nothing. Bus, loot khasote kero, chori daakay dalo, qatal-o-gharat gari karo aur baqaol kisi kay AISH kero.

    What these leaders don’t realize is life can take a twist anytime, Shah of Iran had billions and billions of dollars more than Zardari and Nawaz Sharif combined, USKA ANJAAM KYA HOA?
    Saddam and Ghaddafi were more powerful than these people, unka anjaam kya hoa?
    La Vache que Ri The laughing cow Mubarak, uska kya hoa?

    They simply don’t think about their anjaam………………………….. 4 din ki zindagi hai, sirf 4 pal reh gaye, wo bhee naykee aur bhalayee may nahee guzar saktay, so if the masses kill them, perhaps they deserve that kinda death?

  291. #291 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 9:38 AM

    Agar ye leader maut ka sochey to phir baat hi kya hae

    na leader sochtey hae na qaum sochti hae

    log to log maulvi hazraat bhi pate bhar rahe hain

  292. #292 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 9:39 AM


    india wins but sachin doesnt get that elusive 100

  293. #293 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 9:50 AM

    Stodge disappointed with test draw; jhoot bolta hae


  294. #294 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 10:23 AM


    Qibla will this SRT innings be considered as “match winning”?

    It will certainly bolster his match winning average which is better than the likes of Sehwag and Lara if you compare averages in matches won, lost and drawn.

  295. #295 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 10:24 AM


    Moulvi CH2
    Liberal CH2
    Aksariyat CH2
    Aqliyat CH2
    Har rang, nasal aur zaban bolney wala CH2

    Quaid e Azam kiya kar kar chalay gaey?

  296. #296 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 10:27 AM


    That killing of Hindus by the way appears to be a group vendetta crime rather than blatant religious hatred.

    This apparently is the same scandal where a group of Muslims suspected that Hindus have raped a Muslim girl.

  297. #297 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 11:25 AM

  298. #298 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 11:42 AM


    you never give up (hehehe..)

    match winning knocks imply that batsman almost single handedly wins the match

    here 3 players contributed; laxmzan, 10dulkar and sehwag.

    yes, it will boost the stats under runs scored in matches won- infact for all3

    but its not match winning innings.

    match winning innings is like lara’s 100 against australia, inzimam’s knock in karachi against aus, laxman’s 280 against aus

    aus common factor in all?

  299. #299 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 11:43 AM



    steyn firing; you wrre saying he’s lost his fire- lets see

  300. #300 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 11:50 AM

    We have a new thread on TENDULKAR please post your comments there, thank you

  301. #301 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 11:55 AM


    why is everybody in pk ch2?

    i feel one strong reason is that paki society is copycat

    they look around the world at developed countries and aspire to be like them

    nothing wrong but they dont realize that how much hard work these societies had put in; how much they struggled and sacrificed

    hence just to get the rewards w/o effort society explores all avenues and the best way to make money w/o hard work is corruption.

    thats why facility wise pakistan is relatively more developed compared to other 3rd world countries but mentality of public and poor governanace leads to fiascos and corruption.

    media and public shout but no one wants to give up their wanton ways and lead simple lives. concept of sacrifice is gone and ayyaaashi os now the order of the day. even a mullah has a hifi lifestyle. he has state of the art mobile phone, good cosy house, pajeros and sedan for travelling etc

    what they forget was that Prophet Mohammad (SAW) had such a small house that he couldnt even straighten his legs. it doesnt mean one shouldnt aspire for better living but hallaal means and hardwork should be incorporated and comfort should not be the end objective. societies who become comfort oriented ultimately perish.

  302. #302 by spsyed on November 15, 2011 - 4:35 PM

    What is the real hidden untold news story behind the cricket spot-fixing headlines? Cricket agent Mazhar Majeed, 36, remains only a front man, a sideshow or fig-leaf. Majeed was greedy and stupid. But the real match-spot fixer-recruiter got away with millions. The mastermind tempted and coerced sportsmen with free five-star dinners and top luxury cars for days in Dubai. Crime pays criminals who hide their ill-gotten gains, evade taxes, launder money, and mock justice. Investigative journalism and law enforcement are dead. This was a tip of the iceberg. Spot and match fixing remains as old as the games, and it will never end. So, who knows the manipulative mastermind match fixer who made millions from this reported, and many other unreported global scams? Law enforcement agencies failed to trace, trap, investigate and make the masterminds face the music in the UK. The shameless fraudster feels no regrets as he and his beneficiaries enjoy the fruits of their crimes and scams in the UK and abroad. The mastermind mocks British law enforcement and judicial system. Can you name the mastermind? Contact the author of this brief when there is need trace the fugitive, and uncover the complete untold news behind the headlines.

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