10×10 = 99 Kar

Sachin tendulkar what will happen to India when he is gone?

FOND MEMORIES BRINGS THE LIGHT OF OTHER DAYS AROUND ME - THE SMILES THE TEARS OF BOYHOOD YEARS - 10-DULLKAR OR 100KAR?

The century that Tendulkar will perhaps never make is creating more noise than the ones he made.  Why is this happening? Because he is a player who plays for records, a great player who plays for himself and not for the team or the country and what do you call such a person? “It is below his so-called DIGNITY to call him a selfish player”  his dignity, his vanity and his pride is much higher than the country’s pride and that is because he is considered as a deity in his country. When a man is worshiped like a deity then instead of him becoming strong, he becomes weak.  At a time or, at a level he gets scared that he is failing his followers and his fans and tries very hard to get or achieve the goal and keeps on failing every now and then. That makes everyone believe that he is afraid of reaching the milestone –  there are already many milestones in his life and yet he is afraid in achieving this.

Shoaib asks Tendulkar - why don't you admit you were afraid of me?

Shoaib asks Tendulkar - why don't you admit you were afraid of me?

What was wrong in Shoaib Akhtar writing a line in his controversial book that Tendulkar was once afraid of him? It was like Akhtar throwing a stone in a beehive, the whole of India was after Akhtar and not only they attacked him, but they canceled the launching of his book in 5 major cities of India even, people like LataMangeshkar the squeaky singer tried to wrestle with her dead vocal cords and blabbed out that Akhtar has no right to pass such derogatory comments about their god? What was that derogatory comment? He only said, Sachin was once scared of him.  If a 5.7 ounces red cherry weighing about 160g. in weight zoom pasts your head at 100 miles per hour speed, one is likely to take evasive action, it is normal. Just because Tendulkar is considered as a god he is above all these trivialities? If he is such a great maestro then why is he struggling against so many teams since the last one year to accomplish his life time goal? His strike rate is pathetic, his scores are pathetic and yet he is getting a chance to play because he is 10DullKar and he is in the team because of his past glories.

He is Controversially Ours

He is Controversially Ours

I am not saying he will not make his hundredth hundred, eventually he will but at what expense? Is there any respect left in telling that this great little master-bater is struggling for runs and that is because he is afraid in his nineties.  Even his son told him, Dad why do you get stuck into 90’s? Are you scared? I will tell you something: don’t stay in the 90’s just hit a couple of fours and a six and you will be out of the 90’s.  These may not be the exact words but, he did say something on those lines and I wonder what Tendulkar must have told him? May be he said, my son I am not your uncle Sehwag or that Crazy Afridi and I don’t have those guts!

When Kapil Dev was close to breaking Sir Richard Hadlee’s world record, he was totally out of form in fact his bowling was “Disgustipatingly” Pathetic and in some matches he was not even getting a single wicket and yet they continued with him till he broke the record. There is something called grace, which is lacking here in case of Kapil Dev and Tendulkar both, one was and the other is still struggling and only God knows how much pressure they carry when there are so many and so much expectations from them?

Instead of scoring 76 at a strike rate of 51 if Tendulkar has scored that 76 in 51 balls, I would have said, at least he tried, he tried to play for the team and the country and did not bother about his records but, it was so obvious from the way he played in the first innings he was shaky and got out at 7 and to rebuild his image he went back into his shell ………… THIS IS NOT CRICKET…… this is MisBAket.  If Misbah plays like that I can say that is what he is but Tendulkar has once again disappointed.

People specially Indian fans may not like my criticism because, it is not coming from within but, from outside.  I am sure there are more Indians who are more disappointed then us and they follow him like a Ishwar and Parmeshwar and in the recent WC in India, one of his fans committed suicide by hanging himself only because Tendulkar did not score a century and the deceased has high hopes that his master will score a century and when he failed him, he was so ashamed that he took his own life.

In my opinion, neither the people nor the player himself should take this seriously, a game is a game is a game – its not everything, its not your life, it is not somebody’s else life that he kills himself for a trivial thing.   One thing is for sure, the BCCI and its selectors will keep on selecting him till he makes that 100th 100.   I hope Tendulkar is not suffering from primary or secondary hypertension but, he is suffering from the “white coat hypertension” which happens to patients when they see a doctor their BP goes up, in his case it is the umpires who wear white coats, when he sees them his BP goes up.

The more Tendulkar will delay in achieving this milestone, the more his ratings will go down among those who say Lara is better than Tendulkar or, Viv Richards is better than Tendulkar and even those who compare him with Sir Don Bradman would be compelled to believe that Don was Don and he cannot be compared with anyone because of his strike rate and his average.

It is time that our Indian fellow bloggers to come out and comment on this, defend him or curse him it is up to you but, silence is not the answer.

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  1. #1 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 12:02 PM

    Tom

    Babu mey kairiyaa hoon naye thread par likhna shuroo kar diyo

  2. #2 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 12:06 PM

    IAM AGREE about the shoaib 10dulkar saga.

    why all the furore about shoaib’s book?

    apart from viv richards, every batsman gets scared.

    even don performed poorly in the famous BODYLINE series where douglas jardine targeted leg stump line.

    http://www.abcofcricket.com/A_Legend_Is_Born/Bodyline/bodyline.htm

    so its natural and one should get agitated at such things.

  3. #3 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 12:08 PM

    KS

    im here!

    once again its abt ur favorite 10dulkar (hehehe…)

  4. #4 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 12:10 PM

    Tom

    I wasn’t trying to extract adulation about SRT from you.

    In fact I wanted to know your take whether a score of 76 played as an “anchor” which results in victory can be classified as match winning.

    There is a difference obviously between winning a match and winning a match single handedly. I am not sure what people mean when they say a knock is a match winning knock.

    I daresay Inzamam has not even “single handedly” won a match 5 times in his career. I always thought Inzamam and Lara were praised more for their contributions in anchoring run chases under pressure, rather than single handedly scoring a 100 and taking the team to victory. Lara has perhaps not even done that 3 times in his career.

    I certainly feel that playing the anchor role in chasing a 4th innings total on a difficult pitch is very close to the position for which Lara and Inzamam are admired.

  5. #5 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 12:12 PM

    Atma Hathya tum apna naam Tendulkar ko donate ker do please. 😀

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 12:15 PM

    khansahab – age and slow reflexes affects everyone and T is not exception. So, let it go, he is not a superhuman.

  7. #7 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 12:15 PM

    Tom/Javed A Khan

    Tell me something honestly.

    If SRT had scored a 100 AND that team had lost, he would have received MORE criticism- that he plays for his records and not for the team and couldn’t even take the team to victory.

    He scores a 50 and places India in a winning position and he still receives criticism for not being able to score a century because he is afraid.

    So, it seems that the only satisfactory outcome for critics would have been for him to score a century as well as take India to victory single handedly, which Lara has done maybe only 2 or 3 times and Inzamam has done maybe one or two times more than Lara.

    The entire difference between Lara/Tendulkar, then, seems only to stem from a few innings, which makes the difference somewhat inconsequential.

  8. #8 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 12:16 PM

    Javed A Khan

    He is not superhuman and that is exactly why you shouldn’t expect him to keep reaching milestones with sixes and fours.

  9. #9 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    KS

    i dont know how many match winning knocks inzy and lara have played.

    but we are talking abt 10dulkar and as i said there are some grey areas- match winning knocks and pressure innings.

    dravid seems more adept at them. If you realize dravid’s first inning knock shrunk the lead to below 100 otherwise india would had to chase 350 and they could have lost.

  10. #10 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 12:22 PM

    Tom

    Tendulkar’s 4th innings contribution was more important than Dravid’s 1st innings contribution.

    If you don’t know how many knocks Lara and Inzamam have played where they have scored a 100 and stayed not out in the end and have taken the team to victory then I can tell you that there will be barely 5 between the two of them.

    That is what I am now surprised about. If pressure innings is a weakness for Tendulkar, something that I have also claimed along with others, then this knock would surely stand in his favour because Dravid got out for 31 and when Sehwag was out, India still had about 200 odd to chase. However if you are only interested in those innings where a score of 100 has been scored and the team has won (and possibly the batsman has remained not out- I don’t know whether that is something you would take into account in your restrictive definition) then the difference between SRT and the others is about 5 innings which does not really say much.

  11. #11 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 12:27 PM

    KS

    when somebody is considered to be greatest batsman of all time, then he is expected to score 100 and lead team to win. mind you, if swords are out for 10dulkar, it has a lot to do with his failings in england. had he played well and got 5 fifties in 8 innings over there and averaged 45 + on that tour, criticism would have been less.

    I agreee witk jak, hes ageing.

  12. #12 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 12:40 PM

    KS

    out of 270 dravid, laxman and sehwag added 140 runs- almost half

    10dulkar added 70; almost quarter. Had he stayed till the end even if he hadnt gfot a 100, you m ight say it was match winning. it wasnt

    1st innings dravid ensured 200+ wouyld be the score.

    how could this be ignored

  13. #13 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 12:41 PM

    KS

    steyn’s got ponting

    lost his fire??

  14. #14 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 12:50 PM

    guys

    something interesting is coing up

    waqqa will be commenting in ODI while afridid will be playing. interesting things may happen as there has been a war of words btw the 2

  15. #15 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 1:34 PM

    Tom

    Steyn has been through a bad patch and he might be gaining form. A bit like you know who I am talking about. This is apparently a bowling pitch, that might be something to do with it.

    There must be hundreds of innings where Dravid, Sehwag, Lara etc have scored a quarter of the final score and have been credited for “anchoring” the chase under pressure. What matters more rather than Tendulkar’s proportion of the final total is in what circumstances he scored the 76- when Sehwag and Dravid had been dismissed and there were still plenty of runs to chase.

    I am simply saying that this was a pressure knock and he should be given credit for that and interpreting this knock as negative is being a bad sport.

    It might be that he was out of form, aging and having poor reflexes. Considering his age that might be the truth, but he has basically anchored the Indian chase here and you are still extracting negatives.

    If you don’t want to consider him a god then accept that he is imperfect. On the other hand if you consider him to be a god or someone superhumanly consistent than yeah, feel free to question why he didn’t hit a 6 or 4 to reach a century.

    He might be reaching the end of his career and it is better to let him enjoy his last moments in cricket and appreciate the great influence he has had on the game rather than mock him or Indians for worshipping him.

    Lara and Inzamam were performing poorly in their last 1 or 2 years of cricket but people were not so vocal about their loss of form.

    By the way Tendulkar is the 10th highest run scorer in Test cricket in 2011 as of the end of the England tour.

    Says something about this player who is being ripped to shreds. Is this just an indication of how highly we think of him in the first place?

  16. #16 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 1:40 PM

    Tom

    Yaar what do mean by this in Tendulkar’s context- “if someone is considered to be the best batsman of all time then he is expected to score a 100 and lead the team to win”.

    He might not be considered the best batsman in 2011, or maybe until the late 90s, but for most of his career he was considered to be the best batsman.

    In their final years many batsmen have plummeted in form- Yousuf, Inzamam, Lara being recent examples.

    His lack of ability to play well under pressure is true, but that aside, he has lost form and retirement is around the corner. It’s too grand a claim to expect him to say that he should have scored a 100 in this particular match and finished the game because he is the best batsman of all time.

  17. #17 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 1:49 PM

    Tom

    MJ Clarke is currently destroying the SA spin attack.

    Now here’s a pressure player.

    3 quick wickets fallen, team in trouble? No problem- let’s attack.

    This guy learned his cricket from Waugh & Co.

    Us hi soch ki aulad hai yeh banda.

  18. #18 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 1:50 PM

    Correction- not the spin attack, but Kallis.

    Kallis is mediocre anyway.

  19. #19 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 1:52 PM

    The CH2 Pakistanis who are thinking Butt was trapped into this scandal and he is innocent should wonder why he is not appealing the guilty verdict.

    It is now confirmed he is only appealing his sentence.

    An innocent person would lodge an appeal for verdict immediately after the announcement of a guilty verdict.

  20. #20 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:11 PM

    KS

    lets put certaikn things in perspective before i reply

    I dont consider 76 a negative knock. i dont consider it a match winning knock.

    most of the negative things abt 10dulkar’s 76 are on this blog, not in my comments. i havent drafted this blog.

    my view about 10dulkar is he’s agreat batsman and arguably an all time great with questions over match winning ability and pressure knocks.

    ill continue….later after 10 min

  21. #21 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:20 PM

    as i was saying (hehe.. obama)

    10dulakr is either a great or an all time great.

    if hes great, then these things are non issue, greats have weaknesses.

    but for an all time great, at most 1 is acceptable.

    see when Don is discussed, how many weak pointss are raised about him.

    no one says hes not a pressure player or not a match winner.

    people never question his greatness- only some condsider 10dulkar a bigger god than him, but his divine status is not challenged.

    so either he’s ( i mean tendulkar ) epitome and greek god of batting or hes very very great with shades of grayness.

    iam a fan of tyhe later school of thought.

  22. #22 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:23 PM

    KS regardi ng steyn

    come on..
    if he takes wkts you say its the deck

    if he doesnt you say he’s losing his touch

    for my money best fast bowler rite now

  23. #23 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:25 PM

    KS

    agree about clarke and waugh sons

    never buckled undervpressure

    steyn has 3 ..

  24. #24 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:26 PM

    KS

    comment 19

    ch2 journalist aqli should read this

  25. #25 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:29 PM

    KS

    kallis is a classy batting all rounder. his bowling is guzara but sometimes he gets wkts

    i kno ur refering to his bowling

  26. #26 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:34 PM

    Is there a player with a longer club reel than Tahir? I particularly like “Water and Power Development Authority” Sounds more like a list of the odd-jobs he did before turning professional.” Neil, clearly you don’t pay much attention to our extensive coverage of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, Pakistan’s premier domestic event. WAPDA are one of the more interesting teams doing the round there, as are Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited.

    CRICINFO on Tahir

  27. #27 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 2:41 PM

    Tom

    No one has seen Bradman batting. History remembers such people positively so no wonder people don’t point out negatives. Bradman only ever played in 2 countries and against 2 teams. Tendulkar has played around the world, on every type of pitch and unlike Ponting, Yousuf, Inzamam and some other players he does not have weaknesses in any one country or against one opposition. By this I mean that Ponting averages less than 30 in India, Yousuf averages less than 30 against SL, SA and Australia and Inzamam averaged poorly against Australia and SA.

    So, if one wants to analyse Bradman based on statistics, that is possible. However, why try and tarnish such a legend of the game?

    You have very little idea about Bradman and whatever you know about him, is based on what historians have written.

    I am in total agreement with you that SRT is great with some weaknesses such as pressure handling skills.

    I know you have not written this blog but you expressed a while ago that you agree with what Javed A Khan has written.

    As for your understanding of “match winning knocks”- you would obviously be aware that a lot of people think 100 is only a statistic and does not indicate greatness necessarily so I would say your understanding of that term is not in accordance with the majority’s.

  28. #28 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 2:42 PM

    Tom

    Definitely, Steyn is the best fast bowler.

    He has been out of form though- he got thrashed by SRT when he made 200.

    This is a bowling pitch btw.

  29. #29 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 2:44 PM

    Tom

    Kallis is a boring batsman. Plays slowly, scores runs but he is boring.

    He is a selfish player. You want to criticise someone for playing for records, he is your man.

    The entire SA dressing room thinks he is selfish. Once this news got leaked and Smith had to clarify this in front of the global press that, Kallis is a great servant of SA cricket bla bla.

  30. #30 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 2:45 PM

    Tom

    Let the pitch settle a bit, or wait for a more balanced pitch and then see what Ponting, Clarke and Watson can do to Steyn.

  31. #31 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 2:52 PM

    Tom

    Considering that Steyn is probably the only feared fast bowler in the world today, do you think he should be tested for substance abuse?

    I am sure his cricket board does that occasionally, but isn’t it strange that he seems to be the ONLY one who is so quick and lethal?

    I mean, Zaheer Khan is effective for accuracy, Johnson for a bit of pace and accuracy etc.

  32. #32 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 2:53 PM

    Tom

    What about Clarke?

    Hai zabardast batsman ya nahi?

  33. #33 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:55 PM

    KS

    i agreed with jak about 10dulkar ageing and shoiab thing – i dont agree with everything on this blog.

    this doesnt imply i completely disagree with everything on this blog!

    about steyn’s pitai, it was a one day. steyn is a better test bowler than one day.

    check out his bowling in first test match in india where he dstroyed indian batting line up couple of years ago. i think it was mumbai or ahmedabad.

    ms dhoni rated that spell as best exhibition of fast bowling in indian conditioins seen by him.

    KS, u call kallis selfish, same is case with people abt 10dulkar- he plays for records.

    about Don, if he played in 2 or 3 countries, that doesnt rob him of greatness.

    why greatness of don is not questioned? perhaps he was great, i mean the greatest.

    i have read a lot of history and i dont agree that lack of material spares him. history never spares anyone. you just check bodyline, even don had an average series.

  34. #34 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 2:56 PM

    KS

    do you think he cheats..
    that would be awful….
    i dont think sooo……

  35. #35 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 2:57 PM

    Tom

    If you want to talk about SRT’s weaknesses then one thing I have not seen him do is to thrash bowlers like this in Test cricket.

    Not that I have seen Lara or others do it too.

    But still, this is a super knock from Clarke. He has reached his peak.

    This is Australian cricket for you- Ponting loses form, here is his replacement who is now the best batsman in their side.

  36. #36 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 2:58 PM

    Tom

    Tendulkar shots have a gloss of genius in them, selfish batting or otherwise.

    Kallis is like Misbah.

    Tendulkar does entertain with his exceptional shots.

    And his strike rate is quicker too than Kallis.

    They are incomparable.

  37. #37 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:00 PM

    Tom

    Yaar inn ki batting bohot tagree ho gayi hai dobara…

    Watson, Hughes, Ponting, Clarke, Marsh, Hussey, Haddin, Johnson

  38. #38 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:06 PM

    Tom

    Yaar tumhari bud dua meri Australian team ko lag gayi hai

  39. #39 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:19 PM

    Johnson is also attacking them.

    This is the mentality that made Australia dominate everyone else for so long.

    Morkel is also a good bowler in his own right but they are smacking him.

  40. #40 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:31 PM

    Clarke reaches 100 with a boundary.

    Dominating innings.

    Puts SA in their place.

    200 is a respectable total here.

  41. #41 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:33 PM

    Tom

    What great ream or resurgent team or dominating team, if you can’t control Johnson from hitting your quicks.

    Some bowler could have put the brakes on Clarke. Why couldn’t they?

  42. #42 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:36 PM

    KS

    see got a 100 with a boundary; thats what jak was saying, no 4 or 6

    johnson is a good allrounder. he does hit good knocks. this is the last recognised pair

  43. #43 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:37 PM

    KS

    lol @ baduaaa

    u said it yesterday misbaaah is shit!

    kaliisss is an all rounder

    i agree he and tendulkar are in comparable

    as a batsman, bowler or all rounder!

  44. #44 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:38 PM

    Tom

    Yaar kaisa all rounder hai woh, bakwaas bowling, one dimensional batting.

  45. #45 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:38 PM

    KS

    so ur an aussie fan!

    hmmm…..
    well ill see ur sentiments when they will clobber india in their home

  46. #46 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:40 PM

    Tom

    What do you feel about Johnson? Has he peaked?

    He has become an all rounder. He has bowled some very good, match winning bowling spells.

    When he gets his bowling right he is unplayable.

  47. #47 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:41 PM

    Tom

    I think it will be difficult for them to clobber India at home.

  48. #48 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:44 PM

    KS

    he has 270 test wkts

    lunda bazaar mein to nahi milti

    ab har batsman to gilchrist ki tarh marta nahi hae

    aur sachin to darpok hae- yaqeen na ae to shoaib aur afridi se poch lein (hhheeee)

  49. #49 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:44 PM

    Tom

    I felt Waqar should not have responded to Afridi in such a harsh manner.

    Afridi is a big mouth but he has been diplomatic and never used personal attacks.

  50. #50 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:45 PM

    U mean australia will srtuggle against india in australia?

    come on

    jak?

  51. #51 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:46 PM

    Tom

    Bandar key haath mai ball dey do 15 saal ke liye, woh bhi 270 wickets ley ley ga

  52. #52 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:46 PM

    KS

    waqqa is ch2*ch2.

    what else do u expect.

    but i now feel afridi should stop this buttismmm and TC of zakat !

  53. #53 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:47 PM

    I thought you meant clobbering them in India.

    Australia mai Indian pitt jayein gey leken SRT khel jaye gaa.

  54. #54 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:49 PM

    KS

    there were many bunders in ckt who couldnt do anything with bat or ball.

    remember mansoor akhtar. chamcha of imran.

    v prasad of india, ch2 ( bowler)

  55. #55 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:50 PM

    V Prasad was CH2 bowler but how has he been able to coach Zaheer Khan so well?

    That’s what I don’t get.

    Ishant Sharma came with a bang but then lost it due to his arrogance and CH2 mentality.

  56. #56 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:51 PM

    I don’t know who Mansoor Akhtar is.

  57. #57 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:51 PM

    Misbah bandar nahi hai?

  58. #58 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:54 PM

    CH2 become good coaches (hahaha)

    misbah is worse than bundar

    bundar entertain to karta hae

    mansur akhtar is pachee of imran khan, u remeber 1987 WC

  59. #59 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:55 PM

  60. #60 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 3:58 PM

    I’ve read Mansoor Akhtar’s stats.

    Played a lot of matches and didn’t make a lot of runs.

    Very poor record.

  61. #61 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 3:59 PM

    hahsahaha!!!

    yup, its him…..

    mansur akhtar

    ik gave him so many chances but he aleways failed as a batsmaqn

    he scored well in domestic season

  62. #62 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 4:00 PM

    Exactly!

    a classical bunder

    now u get my poinyt

  63. #63 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 4:01 PM

    KS

    im not watching the match, just getting feeds

    how is this guy philander? is he good

    has taken 3 wkts

  64. #64 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 4:02 PM

    Yeah but I can imagine Imran Khan with his dictatorial attitude trying to push for this Rajinikant’s selection despite people advising him that he will not work.

  65. #65 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 4:03 PM

    I saw Philander a few years ago and chuckled at his surname.

    He is a medium pacer.

    Back then looked mediocre but must have improved.

    I’m just reading the updates from Cricinfo, not watching the match.

  66. #66 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 4:05 PM

    KS

    hes still like that. he’ll continuw with this approach and show to people he’s sincere with pakistan.

    he used ckt to become a dictator, now its politics

  67. #67 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 4:06 PM

    I think aus will get 280

    thats competitive but 350 would have been ideal

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 4:11 PM

    Mansur Akhtar was known to be the apple of Imran’s eye.
    Abdul Qadir’s career was built by Imran Khan.
    Wasim Bari’s career was built by Imran Khan
    Like Mansur Akhtar there are a few who score in domestic matches and nothing at intl. level Raza Hasan is one example
    Misbah is another example as a domestic champion for several years, lucky that Yousuf was dropped and he got a chance in the first T20 WC and became notoriously famous.
    Unlucky for Pakistan that he got a chance, its like a 65 year old Budda getting married to a 17 year old larki. Misbah is sucking out the talent of cricket from Pakistan, what Ijaz Butt started Misbah is finishing.

    khansahab

    Credit goes to Zaheer Khan and not to the Chutium Venkateshwara Prasad, Who trained Asif and Amir or Gul? Seeem Chakram Waqqa Younas? Waseem trained Irfan Pathan see where is he now?

  69. #69 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 4:25 PM

    khansahab

    Imran Khan was severely criticized for selecting mansur akhtar for umpteenth number of times despite his failures and it is a fact and known to everyone that there is something going on between mansur akhtar and Imran Khan.

  70. #70 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 4:42 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Imran also backed Mohd Sami who had everything a fast bowler could want- pace, build, stamina, Imran’s “aashirwaad”.

    But, what went wrong there?

    K Akmal dropped a lot of catches, but it would be unfair just to blame his keeping for Sami’s downfall.

    What a waste of talent.

  71. #71 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 4:43 PM

    Tom

    350 is a decent score even on a batting pitch.

    I would say 225 maybe was respectable here and 275 ideal.

  72. #72 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 6:06 PM

    khansahab

    There is a difference between Imran Khan backing Sami for fast bowling or Younus Khan for captaincy. But, in case of mansur akhtar he was captain then and he kept on selecting him in the team whereas, that chap was constantly failing. He was more of apple of his eyes than Jadeja is for Dhoni.

    Kamran Akmal not only dropped Sami’s catches but, he ruined Kaneria’s career too and at least a few dozen of Afridi’s catches. Kamran is a NUT case and he should never be in the team at national level.

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 6:11 PM

    Salman scared to go to regular jail, his lawyer thinks BUTT will be targeted. 😀

  74. #74 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 8:25 PM

    KS

    imran destropyed careers of sikandar bakht, flirted with careeres of abdul qadir and miandad.

    He was a total dictator in the team and when he won WC, he assked boys to donate prize money to shaukat khanum project. when boys refused, he retired.

  75. #75 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 8:26 PM

    KS

    i think sachin should retire after australian tour from test ckt!

    what u say?

  76. #76 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 8:42 PM

    GUYS

    I found something very interesting while surfing. I would advise that you thoroughly read the article and then post your thoughts. To me, many qwuestions are answered.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/539728.html

  77. #77 by tom on November 9, 2011 - 8:49 PM

    Afridi your place is not for granted. you have to deliver

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=38720&CID=3

  78. #78 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 10:17 PM

    Javed A Khan

    About backing Younis for captaincy, it was a poor move by IK.

    He probably knows Younis more closely than we know Younis, and it is clear that Younis does not have the temperament to lead.

    The question is why is someone like IK not able to recognise this?

  79. #79 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 10:22 PM

    Tom

    If SRT can score 76 under pressure today then I think he can score the 100th century with relative ease.

    Once he does that he should retire from Tests gracefully.

    Has he played ODI since the WC? Don’t know how his form is in them.

  80. #80 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 10:26 PM

    Tom

    I don’t know why they are emphasising that Afridi has to “deliver”.

    He has arguably been their best bowler since 2007.

  81. #81 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 10:28 PM

    Tom

    One needs to know more about the so called rivalry between Miandad and Imran.

    Regardless of their rivalry I think it was awful of Imran to prevent Miandad from reaching 300.

    Cricket is not played for personal records, but this is a huge milestone and most would agree a player like Miandad deserved it.

  82. #82 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 10:35 PM

    Tom

    I have not read that article but already there seems to be a flaw- they are just using the players’ best 52 match streaks to compare them with Bradman.

    If a player has a 15 year career, and does really well in 5 years out of those 15 years and plays 40 or 45 Tests in those 5 years, then that will catapult that batsman to a higher position that someone who has been more consistent, but maybe not as great in a streak of 52 Tests.

    Similarly players like Yousuf, who just had an unbelievable year when he made the most runs in a calender year, will be rated highly because if a player averages 80 one year and 40 in the other his net average is 60 which will put him in a comfortable position on that list.

    I can’t really admire this analysis because it has been performed on a very narrow basis.

  83. #83 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 9, 2011 - 10:44 PM

    khansahab

    I can be 99.99% sure that IK has never met YK in real life and that comment of IK was based on his watching YK on TV and, it was just a ch2ya type comment. IK has a habit of blabbing and you know that.

    Secondly, WHAT PRESSURE are you talking about? The current West Indies team is a third rated team very easily at par with BD and ZIM and once if 10-dullkar has scored a 70 plus in the second innings doesn’t mean anything to me. He scored 7 in the first innings.

    About Afridi, no one is to be blamed except for him because he has done a lot of damage to his career because of his irresponsible behaviour and it serves him right that he should not get CC automatically. You don’t know what he is going to do next?
    About Malik, I understand that he has not performed and not in the team for a long time even when he was given a chance against ZIM he failed, IMO, he should not be in the squad CC is a very big thing to consider for him.

  84. #84 by Aatma-hathya on November 9, 2011 - 11:57 PM

    I was reading somewhere that when VVS Laxman hit some boundaries today, some Indian fan remarked that he should get out so that Tendulkar can score and make his 100.

    This is just sick thinking.

  85. #85 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 12:39 AM

    khansahab

    One thing I can assure you is when Salman Butt will come out of the jail he will have a beard. The rest of them will not.

    About the sick thinking you have mentioned above, this is not the first time people have talked about. In fact, other than Tendulkar some wanted Dhoni’s double century and wanted Yuvraj to get out in one of the matches, I do remember reading that comment on cricinfo.

  86. #86 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 12:45 AM

    Both captains are Budda, Missybaba is 37 and Til rakhne ka jaga nahee Dilshaan is 35 but, Dilshan is more agile and more fit than Misbah who is just a slob and a pathetic fielder. According to Geo sports, Afridi will be under tremendous pressure in both departments i.e., batting as well as bowling and he hasn’t played international cricket since he last 6 months besides, the premature retirement, the rifts with Waqar and Butt and then rejoining the national side, combined together with all other problems, yes will definitely be under pressure.

  87. #87 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 12:55 AM

    THE RIVALRY BETWEEN IMRAN KHAN AND JAVED MIANDAD.

    It is not public, as far as I remember (may be I am wrong) they never criticized each other publicly. Personally, I heard a lot of praise from Imran’s mouth about Javed Miandad. Imran said that Javed Miandad is the most intelligent cricket player around (he said that during the time both were not retired) and he added, Miandad has immense knowledge about every player’s strength and weakness. In one of the matches in Sharjah against India, which I saw and the next day I was going to London from Dubai and Imran was sitting next to me so we talked. Imran reminded me of an incident by saying, do you remember when Ravi Shastri came in to bat? I said, yes. He said, Miandad came running to me and asked me to set up a field for Shastri and asked XYZ bowler (can’t remember his name) to bowl according to that field. Shastri was out playing the shot which Miandad predicted he will play. So, Imran was full of praise at least at that time.

    As regards Miandad, I have met him a few times but, never talked to him about anyone and there is no record of Miandad talking against Imran. Miandad’s worst enemies were Wasim and Waqar ………..more Wasim than Waqar.

  88. #88 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 8:10 AM

    Don Bradman played 52 tests and his batting average is 99. 94. IF, one takes 52 test matches as the benchmark to measure the batting average then, even Mohammad Yousuf (at no. 6) has a higher average than Tendulkar (at no. 7) The point to be noted here is Dravid scored less runs than Tendulkar in 52 matches, but his average his higher.

    Best batting average over a span of 52 Tests Player Start Date End Date Mat Inns NO Runs Ave 100 50

    DG Bradman (Aus) Nov 30, 1928 Aug 18, 1948 52 80 10 6996 99.94 29 13
    RT Ponting (Aus) Mar 8, 2002 Nov 27, 2006 52 92 14 5813 74.52 23 20
    GS Sobers (WI) Aug 22, 1957 Apr 3, 1968 52 88 13 5468 72.90 19 20
    JH Kallis (ICC/SA) Apr 19, 2001 May 1, 2006 52 91 19 5127 71.20 17 25
    R Dravid (India) Nov 18, 2000 Sep 16, 2005 52 86 13 4883 66.89 14 21
    KF Barrington (Eng) Nov 11, 1961 Aug 28, 1967 52 84 12 4783 66.43 16 22
    Mohammad Yousuf (Pak) Nov 15, 2000 Oct 12, 2007 52 87 8 5247 66.41 20 18
    SR Tendulkar (India) Apr 4, 1997 Nov 3, 2002 52 86 8 5177 66.37 20 17
    KC Sangakkara (SL) Aug 11, 2004 Nov 27, 2010 52 89 8 5352 66.07 19 18
    WR Hammond (Eng) Nov 30, 1928 Jan 7, 1937 52 87 12 4827 64.36 16 13
    L Hutton (Eng) Jan 31, 1947 Jun 15, 1954 52 92 13 5072 64.20 14 27
    SR Waugh (Aus) Jun 3, 1993 Oct 5, 1998 52 83 18 4134 63.60 11 23
    Javed Miandad (Pak) Jan 3, 1983 Dec 6, 1989 52 73 5 4240 62.35 14 16
    Inzamam-ul-Haq (ICC/Pak) Mar 12, 1999 Jan 17, 2006 52 86 9 4796 62.28 18 20
    ML Hayden (Aus) Feb 27, 2001 Mar 13, 2005 52 92 10 5077 61.91 19 17
    IVA Richards (WI) Jan 31, 1976 Jun 18, 1984 52 74 2 4456 61.88 15 20
    H Sutcliffe (Eng) Jun 14, 1924 Aug 22, 1934 52 81 9 4453 61.84 16 22
    DPMD Jayawardene (SL) Mar 24, 2004 Nov 20, 2009 52 88 6 5026 61.29 17 15
    BC Lara (ICC/WI) Apr 6, 2001 Nov 23, 2006 52 93 2 5576 61.27 19 17
    JB Hobbs (Eng) Jun 14, 1909 Jun 17, 1930 52 85 5 4897 61.21 15 24

  89. #89 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 8:19 AM

    KS

    the analysis was conducted becoz a fan requested; don’s 52 matches were used as a benchmark to find most successful batting streaks.

    such studies have been conducted before in all sports. havent you heard longest winning and losing streak etc

    if this analysis is to be dismissed, then why no of centuries should be the sole criteria for judging greatness of a batsman.

    you say that if a batsman averages 80 in one year and 40 in next year, his combined average is 60. but this is not a yearly study; its based on best consecutive 52 matches.

    if u go through comments , youll come to the conclusion that 10dulkar fans have a habit of dismissing any study which doessn’t figure their sardadkular amongst top 5.

    its primarily about Indian nationalism and sometimes defence is very poor devoid of any rational.

    P.S. this study definitely depicts consistency which 10dulkar lacks! I have the stats but generally arguments on this blog are not oriented towards statistics.

  90. #90 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 8:27 AM

    KS

    I pose a question to you which i intentionally never raised on this blog and infact which is rarely raised on any forum apart from few

    10dulkar fans say bradman babae adam ke daur sey tha aur sirf 2-3 teams se khela tha- okie

    if batting was so easy in those days, why no batsman even averaged 65 in those years apart from Don?

    see right now good batsman average btw 50-60 and you have many batsman in that zone. we have an idea whats average of a good batsman. now if you had a batsman right now who averaged 70 and 30 years later due to globalisation of ckt 50 teams start playing. And some ch2 qaum dismisses greatness of that batsman that there were only 10 teams at that time, would that argument hold substance?

    no batsman in the history of cricket averages 70; this just shows how great don was

    if batting was so easy, you would have cluster of batsman averaging 80ish.

  91. #91 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 8:33 AM

    I dare say that one reason behind greatness of sardardkular is due to his nationality.

    had he hailed from new zealand, nobody would have compared him with don!

  92. #92 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 8:37 AM

    ITs just like hadlee; IMO greatest all rounder amongst immi, kapil and botham.

    but kapil ka to record hae, bus tum log record pe hee lagey rahe ho.

    if most calendar runs were scored by sardardkular, we would have been bombarded by this record also!

    10dulkar is great, infact very great but dont piss off don’s maha greatness just bcos he aint Indian

    infact had Don been indian, we would have another statue ( hhhhee)

  93. #93 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 8:44 AM

    During Don’s days or, even during Gavaskar’s days the cricketing gears like, pads, helmet, shin guard, elbow guards, thigh guard, ribcage guard were not there, Pads, helmets (without cage) and gloves were there but, of very inferior quality, whereas today the players come to the field wearing “Zar-o-Baktar” and that is one of the reasons the players are not so afraid of fast bowling, Jardine terrorized the gr8 Don and on top of that the pitches were not the same as they are today, they would seldom cover them therefore, there was uneven bounce and it was extremely difficult to play. Therefore, at times I give Gavaskar some credit for playing under those conditions and against the TOB fast bowling battery of West Indies Bowlers. Not a single one today can catch Malcom Marshall Andy Roberts, Joel Garner, Walsh etc.

    Even the cricket bats were not of such good quality during Don’s days. Unfortunately the public goes after quantity and records, no one cares about the quality of a player or the situation in which he played that gritty innings to save or win the match. Javed Miandad and after him Inzamam took the highest pressure in batting. Reportedly whenever Inzamam scored a hundred Pakistan won the match. He scored 25 centuries, I am not sure how many centuries helped Pakistan to win, but once someone mentioned it is 21. ????

  94. #94 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 8:48 AM

    Among all the all-rounders names you have mentioned above, Imran Khan’s name stands above others because he was also the CAPTAIN and as a captain he scored many runs and won many matches. You forgot the name of Garry Sobers but, I would rate Imran higher than others. He had a few years of NO CRICKET during the time he was at his peak. One due to the Kerry Packer saga. Two because of his Shin injury.

  95. #95 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 8:59 AM

    Shahrukh Khan quizzed, Shilpa Shetty and Preity Zinta squeezed.

    IPL bhee ek gol-maal hai, ya daal may kaala hai?

    First it was Modi who was fired and now they are being investigated by the authorities as a part of the probe into the teams finances.

  96. #96 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:07 AM

    Tom

    I have heard of winning streaks but when you analyse a winning streak it is a wide analysis and an uncontroversial one. This is something very narrow- here you are looking at the best 52 matches anyone ever played on the trot. So, you are basically comparing batsmen when they were at their best.

    If you compare the best 7-8 matches ever played on the trot you might get Yousuf as your best batsman.
    But, due to his shocking average against Australia, SA and SL, he can’t be considered as a super batsman- perhaps a very good one, but definitely not in the top 10 or top 15 batsmen of all time.

    Any CH2 can play with numbers and present an argument. Look at how I have analysed Misbah’s career and made him look like a very mediocre batsman. But, does that mean that everyone will agree with me?

    I don’t use the no of centuries to assess the greatness of a batsman, so that point of yours is not applicable to me.

    I think it is more important that a player’s entire career, or say, 75% of his career, is used to determine his class. Who is better- someone who was consistent for 75% of his career or someone who was consistent mainly in 52 matches? What the hell is the number 52? How can that be a benchmark- it is a very strange number. You are basically using Bradman’s statistics to compare him with other players and that is not a comprehensive or well rounded analysis.

    Also, if you will cherry pick which years and how many matches you want to analyse then you will inevitably pick those batsmen who were very good in a few years and you might exclude more consistent players who performed well for most of their career. Yousuf is an example here- and perhaps so is Inzamam. Inzamam averaged 70 in 2001, 59 in 2002, 62 in 2003, 37 in 2004 and 83 in 2005. You might do a 50 match analysis here or a 5-year analysis and conclude that he averaged something in the region of early 60s, and determine his class.

    But, you would be disregarding his very mediocre 2004 when he averaged 37.

    Now, imagine if another player maybe averaged 65, 60, 55, 57, 65 in those 5 years- I would that player is arguably better because he has maintained his reliability and consistency.

    I am aware that Indian fans who worship Tendulkar will not accept any analysis which goes against him. But I know a biased or flawed analysis when I see one. At the moment there is no Indian fan here who is worshipping Tendulkar so that point is totally needless. If an Indian wrote here using poor analysis then I would also criticise him. I have done that before with Indian bloggers on this blog.

    Statistics should be used carefully. It is more important to determine a player’s overall consistency and reliability rather than cherry pick a timeframe to determine it. Consistency and reliability are important- statistics are not.

  97. #97 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:23 AM

    Tom

    In response to your comment about batsmen of yesteryears….

    8 out of the 20 batsmen listed in that article stated their careers before 1980.

    Nowadays there are more teams and more cricket being played. For example, you have 2 Sri Lankans in that list. I would be surprised if Sri Lanka even played cricket before 1980? Or they possibly played negligible cricket.

    For argument’s sake if you exclude the 2 Lankans, then you have a situation where half the batsmen on that list are from pre 1980.

    This shows that perhaps the argument about high averages in modern day cricket is not very strong.

    I never said the Don is definitely not the best batsman. I only said that as I have not seen him bat, and as cricket was very different 50 years ago, so much different in fact that you could say it is a different sport altogether, it is no use trying to compare someone of that era with someone of this era.

    What is so wrong about what I am saying there? It is difficult to compare Abraham Lincoln with Bill Clinton even though both are considered to be good Presidents. Someone might say that an movie is better than a new movie for different reasons. Old movies concentrated more on seriousness and real life situations whereas new movies are more about total entertainment, music etc.

    There are 100s of factors you can use to determine the quality of a batsman and if one was to list all of them, many of them might favour Tendulkar over Bradman.

    So, it is better to leave this argument alone and just compare Tendulkar with contemporary greats.

    Someone can say with a lot of merit that you just want to compare SRT with Bradman because of your Pakistani nationalism and desire to undermine SRT and because you find it a little difficult trying to prove that some modern day batsmen are better than SRT.

    I am not saying that is the truth, but someone can point this out.

    Whatever I am saying about SRT vs Bradman does not make SRT greater or Bradman lesser. I am just saying that it is an inappropriate analysis. I feel Mahela Jayawerdene is overrated, I feel Inzamam is overrated too, but I don’t compare their stats with J Hobbs or W Hammond to prove my points.

  98. #98 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:25 AM

    Javed A Khan

    I think Miandad mentioned in his book that he was upset with Imran for preventing him from reaching 300.

    But, I don’t think he said anything negative about Wasim or Waqar.

    I want to know why Imran did that. In the absence of any good reason, people will resort to believing that this was done because of personal jealousy or Lahore vs Karachi.

  99. #99 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:30 AM

    Tom

    We have discussed Indians and Tendulkar a lot, but what do you have to say about Pakistanis’ obsession with Imran?

    If the Quran did not prohibit idol worshipping on every other page, I am sure Imran would be worshipped in Pakistan.

    He is given credit for winning the WC 1992, so much so that Wasim, Miandad etc are not given credit. Miandad was Pakistan’s highest scorer in that Cup.

    Every CH2 wants to ask him about what to do. He tried his magic on Mohd Sami and Younis Khan but that did not work.

    He speaks run of the mill English but people think he is a PhD in English Language.

    Now he is gaining political popularity not because the people like him, but because he is the only untested leader and people have started thinking that Pakistan is on the verge of collapse.

  100. #100 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:38 AM

    Javed A Khan/Tom

    A few years ago I wrote a blog titled, “Has batting become easier”. This was analysing the difference in batting conditions between cricket of yesteryears and cricket of today.

    We have mentioned about batsmen not wearing a helmet and facing the likes of Garner and Marshall, but let me just quickly list some reasons why batting may not have become as easier as we think:

    – barely anyone could bowl 90mph back in the day, now every fast bowler hits at least mid to late 80

    – fielding standards were lax and often fielders would not bother chasing the ball if it was within a few yards of the boundary rope

    – players were not fit- they could not bowl as large spells, fielders were not fit, there was little or no culture of diving, no advanced fielding techniques

    – there was no doosra, no carrom ball, no reverse swing, bowling would be more predictable therefore

    – there were no paddle scoops, barely any reverse sweeps, people wanted to play orthodox cricket

    – there was a lot more sportsman spirit and games were not as commercialised and intense, cricketers played as ambassadors for their countries and winning was not as important

    These are just some of the reasons but as you can see, it is not entirely true to say that batting has become easier in the modern day. I am aware of the counter arguments, but just want to present the other side of the coin.

  101. #101 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 12:16 PM

    Tom

    Batting pitch?

    350 ideal target for Australia eh?

    😉

  102. #102 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    Pakistan Boosted By Afridi And Razzaq’s Return

    KARACHI: Mohsin Khan, appointed head coach for the Sri Lanka series, has welcomed the inclusion of all-rounders Shahid Afridi and Abdul Razzaq, saying the duo will bolster the team’s chances ahead of the One-Day Internationals (ODI) against the opposition.

    Pakistan play the first of five ODIs tomorrow in Dubai. While Afridi last played in the limited-overs series against the West Indies after the World Cup, Razzaq makes a comeback after being dropped due to poor form in cricket’s showpiece event.

    Mohsin, whose team clinched the Test series against Sri Lanka 1-0, their first against the opposition in five years, said the two players were showing no signs of being rusty.

    “It’s good news for the team,” Mohsin told The Express Tribune from Dubai. “Both Afridi and Razzaq are match-winners. Sohail Tanvir’s inclusion is also a positive sign.

  103. #103 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 12:45 PM

    Mohd Aamer’s mentor A Bajwa has commented today that Pakistan cricket must reform so that corruption can be eliminated.

    But, what does not anyone address the main problem- which is greed?

    Greed within their psyche should be curbed and this is more important that offering higher salaries to players or imposing curfews in team hotels etc so that the players don’t mingle with the public.

    Pakistani cricketers earn enough to be able to afford a comfortable lifestyle. I think even the “C” grade contract cricketers earn in the region of Rs 1 lakh/month which may not be a rich man’s salary but it is enough to get by and afford a decent lifestyle.

  104. #104 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 12:47 PM

    Poor Kaneria can’t find favour with the courts either. He legal advisor should have known more about where to file the petition.

    Court dismisses Kaneria’s petition

    Danish Kaneria, the Pakistan legspinner, has lost his four-month legal tussle with the Pakistan Cricket Board in the Sindh High Court. A two-member bench dismissed his petition to be cleared to play for Pakistan, leaving his international career in limbo. The ruling came after an objection was raised by PCB lawyer Tafazzul Rizvi questioning the court’s jurisdiction to hear the case.

    “It was dismissed only because the Sindh High Court doesn’t have the jurisdiction to hear the case,” Kaneria’s lawyer Mohammad Farogh Naseem told ESPNcricinfo. “We are yet to decide our next move but we have two options: either to appeal against the decision in the Supreme Court or to file a fresh petition in Lahore High Court (the city where the PCB office is situated).”

  105. #105 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 2:26 PM

    Lowest ebb for Australia in my life time.

    I think they got too complacent.

  106. #106 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 2:33 PM

    Arthur frontrunner for Pakistan coach job

    Melbourne, Nov 10(ANI): The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is reportedly interested in signing former South Africa coach Mickey Arthur to succeed Waqar Younis.

    Arthur, however, played down the prospect of a move to oversee the troubled team.

    “I haven’t had contact from anybody. At the moment, I would very likely be declining it,” the Sydney Morning Herald quoted Arthur, as saying.

  107. #107 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 3:41 PM

    OMG, 23 wickets have fallen in one day, still 18 overs to be bowled.
    Australia must have thought that the match is in their pocket when they dismissed SA for 96 and, themselves were out for 47 in the second innings. At 21 for 9 Australia were 5 runs short for the lowest total in test history but, thanks to Siddle the Fiddle.
    Still Australia had a lead of 188 with 9 wickets in hand, on paper it seems possible but, in reality, no one can predict the result., especially with the pitch playing so indifferently it could be anyone’s game. Still more in Australia’s favour I would say.

  108. #108 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 3:46 PM

    khansahab

    About greed and Hasad,
    it is also mentioned in the Quran that one should not become greedy and Haasid no matter how tempting the offer may be, don’t let the Shaitaan rule you. So, Aamir and Salman Butt being a Muslims must have known about the “Satanic Temptations” from childhood, Butt still denies that he took bribes whereas, Aamir has admitted and confessed the crime hoping that he will get a pardon but, that was too late, he should have done it when the ICC offered him that option and he thought he is very smart.

  109. #109 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 3:54 PM

    Also, some comments on Aamir blaming the PCB for not educating them is rubbish. This is what I have been saying since ages that the players needs to get basic education before they enter the international arena of cricket. Unfortunately those who have a high school pass certificate even they don’t know nothing. Because, they cheat in the exams and pass the exam. So, obviously they will remain Paindoo Kay Paindoo. As regards the PCB’s job, they say when Central Contracts are signed they explain the players about do’s and dont’s and they cannot provide a teacher to explain them every little bit of that.

    Secondly, if they are so rich to hire a lawyer to save their ass from going to jail, they could have asked a lawyer or a notary to translate and explain to them the clauses in the contract which they find difficult to understand. Why blame the PCB for this?

    When they signed the ICL and IPL contracts did they ask them to explain the clauses in detail? Or, when they play for English county do they ask them the same thing? Jiss waqt paisa milll reha hota hai tou contract may inki maa bahen bv bhee girwi rekh wa lo tou they sill sign it without reading. The point is back to GREED, LUST and the URGE to become a millionaire overnight. When you are in such a haste and when you cannot control your NAFS then you deserve this.

  110. #110 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 4:35 PM

    HI KS

    haha what a day!

    u say batting has become difficult. I say standard of batsmanship has gone down. if siddle and lyon can forge a partnership of 25, then couldnt top order of australi score 150-200. look at SA. watson is by no means a threatening bowler but he destroyed their batting. perhaps Don is much greater than what stats reflect.

    ill talk abt sardardkular and don later but first ur thoughts

    whats happened to australia? have they lost the competency they had? mind you matxch stillk in balasnce but u dont expect quality teams to get out for 47

  111. #111 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 4:38 PM

    abiut aamer i would say there are zardaris in cricket too. aamer has the POTENTIAL to be one!(hhheeee)

  112. #112 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 4:53 PM

    poor kaneria

    is mulk mein insaaf nahin hae

    well try other courts, may be youll get some response

  113. #113 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 5:00 PM

    This is how the scoreboard looks; an unbelievable sight

  114. #114 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 6:26 PM

    Sagaat

    Where are you man? Our new member, Tom is asking about you too.

    Tu mujh sey khafa hai toh zamanay ke liye aa……

  115. #115 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 6:48 PM

    ALL FOCUS IS ON AFRIDI once again, the entire media is focusing him and all the blogs are writing about his return, putting him under too much pressure especially in batting department. Afridi has a tendency to dominate the bowling and batting if he scores well also when he takes a wicket in his first or second over. I dunno what the batting line up would be and who is opening? Hafeez for sure, I would suggest Afridi to open the innings with Hafeez. The domination will demoralize the Sri Lankans and it is important to win the first ODI. But, you know Misbah is a very safe player and as a captain he is even worse, so he will not take chances and play Imran Farhat, who in my opinion should not be in the team at all.

  116. #116 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 10, 2011 - 6:51 PM

    HAHAHAHAHAHA & HUH @ Misbah’s average:

    Stats & Trivia

    Sri Lanka have beaten Pakistan in their previous two bilateral ODI series, both in 2009 (WHAT ABOUT PAKISTAN BEATING THEM IN HE RECENT WC?)

    Misbah-ul-Haq averaged 51.69 in 21 games under Shahid Afridi. He averages 94.50 in his short stint of six matches so far

  117. #117 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 7:13 PM

    Pakistan not phased by Malinga

    Pakistan skipper Misbah-ul-Haq insists the threat of Sri Lanka quick Lasith Malinga will not faze his side ahead of the first one-day international at Dubai Sports City on Friday.

    Malinga heads into the first game of the best-of-five series needing just one more wicket to reach 150 ODI scalps, and should he achieve the feat during this series he will become the fastest Sri Lankan to reach the milestone.

    It would be a huge surprise if the 28-year-old failed to pick up a wicket over the course of five innings, although Malinga has managed just nine wickets in 10 ODI outings against Pakistan. And Misbah is confident the psychological edge rests with his side, telling a press conference: “It creates a difference when Lasith Malinga’s there because everybody knows he’s a very good bowler, but we’re ready for that.”

    He added: “We’ve played a lot of games against him and I think our guys have played very well against him. No doubt it’s an edge for them to have Lasith Malinga in the side but if we look at our side we have Shahid Afridi and we also have some very good cricketers back too.”

  118. #118 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 7:47 PM

    KS
    about paki obsession with immi, he has been in politics for nearly 15 yrs and now hers getting some response. otherwise he was constantly being snubbed. he wasnt worshipped.

  119. #119 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 7:49 PM

    KS
    52 is used bcos don dada played only 52 tests. if u use 75% 0f sardadkular tests, don dada wqont bev in the list!

    which youll definitely love!

  120. #120 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 7:53 PM

    KS

    if yopu dont want to drag don dada in to the analysis coz hes asare qadeema, then your analysis should be best batsman after don bradman.

  121. #121 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 7:54 PM

    KS

    i love if sagaat was here, but BTW when did i ask for him?

  122. #122 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 7:58 PM

    Cant keep this guy out of the news, more trouble brewing up?

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=38746&CID=1

  123. #123 by tom on November 10, 2011 - 8:06 PM

    KS

    about SAGAAT

    Absence makes a heart grow fonder

  124. #124 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:04 PM

    Tom

    Will you be pleased if I say that based on batting average only Bradman is better than SRT and Lara and the others?

    Fair comment eh?

    That is because we know little or nothing about Bradman except his batting average.

  125. #125 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:20 PM

    Tom

    Z Mirza is a nut case.

    If you think about the confidential government information he is leaking which has embarrassed PPP; he should be arrested for this but he has the President’s backing.

    The objective is to unify the Sindhi nationalists by demonising MQM.

    This is preparation for the next election- if another party succeeds in winning the majority or if a coalition succeeds and the MQM joins them, then they will use the combined Sindhi might to pressurise MQM.

    This is politics at the dirtiest and shows the devious mentality of Asif Zardari. Heck, a lot of people blame him for his wife’s death.

  126. #126 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:21 PM

    Tom

    Did you not ask who Sagaat was and why he disappeared?

    In response I said that he probably got upset over my defence of SRT?

  127. #127 by Aatma-hathya on November 10, 2011 - 11:23 PM

    Tom

    If Don had played 100 Tests then you know Tendulkar would be fairly high up on that list.

  128. #128 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 12:24 AM

    Zakat Butt rehi hai…………..

    ICC should include Pakistan in corruption inquiry: Zaka Ashraf

    LA’HORE: Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Zaka Ashraf said Thursday the spot-fixing incident was unfortunate and the nation had been disgraced by Mohammed Asif, Salman Butt and Mohammed Amir.

    Speaking to the media at the National Cricket Academy, the PCB chairman said the ICC had been asked to include Pakistan in future corruption inquiries.

    Ashraf also commented on Shahid Afridi’s return to the national side and said the former captain was selected on the basis of talent.

  129. #129 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 12:27 AM

    HIS TALENT????? As what? As a bowler? As a batsman? Or, as a Captain?

    Definitely he was the one who gelled this lousy team and made them into a fighting team which reached the WC semifinals and only God knows what was the reason of that defeat. In any case if Captaincy is the talent which we all know, then WHY IS MISSYBABA leading the team????

    There will be no answer to this question. RIGHT?

  130. #130 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 12:30 AM

    khansahab

    IF’s and BUTT’s theory will just lead to argument, the fact is Don played only 52 matches c’est ca and it is not about just his average, but whenever he used to go to bat he used to plunder the bowling attack, which 10×10 Dullkars can’t do. Mind you he was not a hitter like Afridi.

  131. #131 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 8:17 AM

    kS

    yes i inquired abt sagaat; i forgot abt that.

    well if don dada had played even 100 tests, sardardkular would still be below him.

    longer the streak, lesser will be your average.

    don dada has 99.9 avg from 52 tests, so if he plays 48 more it will be 100 tests.

    ill assign an average of 45 in these tests as you say bating is difficult although his avg is 99.9; ill make him don kaka

    his average comes around 68.

    sardardkular’s avg wil definitely dip for a 100 match streak.

    your contention would still be nocomparison btw 2 players of different eras.

    indians would cal analysis as biased.

    acc to your views, don should not be included in the analysis.

    so your analysis is something like ” Best batsman (excluding Bradman)

    perehaps you are comfortable with such an analysis but Indians cannot accept any non indian better than sardardkular.

    maybe if some historian revealed that don dada was born in some remote island of india and then migrated to australia- indians would readily say ” jay ho don ki”

  132. #132 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 8:28 AM

    yes ill be pleeased if u say only don is better than lara and sardardkular

    coz sardardkulr and lara are amongst the best batsman. apart from bradman, whose better than them.

    if someone asks you whose the most consistent batsman? it aint sardardkular

    most reliable batsman? aint sardardkular

    most centuries in a year? aint sardardkular

    most runs in a year? aint sardardkular

    most double centuries in career? aint sardardkular.

    list aint complete!

    a flawed god; doesnt have everything under his divine kingdom

    but thats how indian mythology goes- rain god, life god, death god, sun god etc….

    A greeat batsman but not great in all aspects.

  133. #133 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 10:23 AM

    Australia game over

    An emphatic SA victory ( hope collapse doesnt happen)

    A MATCH WINNING KNOCK BY AMLA- making a 100 and guiding his team to victory.

    thats how matches are won sardardkular- not like your pathetic record accumaliting selfish approach

    Great captain’s knock by smith; something sardardkular never achieved as captain!

  134. #134 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 10:24 AM

    amla gone!

    well played!

  135. #135 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 10:29 AM

    What a come back by the South Africans, when the Aussies got them at 96 in the first innings they must have got complacent and may be Ponting like Steve Waugh was planning a fishing trip thought of playing golf. But, they may have never thought that they will be 21 for 9 in second innings and ultimately end up with 47 on board.

    On a second thought, had Pakistan gotten all out for 47, I am sure the whole cricketing world would be attacking them for MATCH FIXING.

  136. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 10:29 AM

    Smith MUST hit a SIX to complete his century because he is on 95 and only 6 runs are needed.

  137. #137 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 10:35 AM

    Tom

    I feel like I am trying some kind of reverse psychology because I am making a point and you are mentioning the inverse.

    I said that Tendulkar would be high up on that list if the streak was 100 because, out of all the batsman who have played 100 Tests, he will definitely be in the top 5 considering the batting average. And you are saying in response to this that he would still be below Bradman.

    I am not undermining Bradman by criticising this very flawed analysis; I am undermining some other players such as Yousuf, who I don’t believe should be on that list.

    My contention is that this is a very narrow analysis and a very biased one because it rates EVERYONE ELSE vs Bradman. It does not rate everyone against everyone.

    You can also do an analysis like and compare everyone’s centuries vs Tendulkar and say that, Tendulkar is on top because of his centuries. The central idea behind the analysis is flawed because it is already rating a player as the best and only analysing the “second bests”.

    I never claimed Tendulkar is great in all respects. When did I say this? Saying he is the best batsman, does not mean that he has no weakness. The best doctor, lawyer, actor, political leader etc- they all have weaknesses.

    Keeping all this aside, I will not rate a batsman to be best based on his career average if he played in a very different era. Misbah has a batting average of nearly 50. But, is he half as good as even Inzamam?

    If you are saying that an average of 100 makes Bradman the best batsman and you are not willing to concede that you don’t really know much about his batting or the cricketing circumstances of that era, then you must also accept that Misbah is half as good as Bradman. This is laughable, but going with your reasoning surely that must be the case. If you are going to add IF’s and But’s in your response then I can also add If’s and But’s and say that, Bradman only played on 2 kinds of pitches and against 2 teams which gives him an unfair advantage over modern day batsmen.

  138. #138 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 10:42 AM

    congrats KS

    my curse wasnt the reason for SA victory- they played well

    look at the strike rate of runs scored

  139. #139 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 10:49 AM

    Tom

    Your curse wasn’t the reason because I don’t think your curses work.

    Your curse didn’t prevent SRT from playing the winning hand in India’s victory vs West Indies 😀

  140. #140 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 11:03 AM

    KS

    this analysis was done due to a request by a fan. Its not binding but to consider it flawed there have to be some valid reasons.

    if study shows moyo above sardardkular, then thats no reason for it to be rejected.

    if you compile a list of most runs scored in a year, moyo will be 1st and richards second. so bradman fans should reject that analysis bcos their don isnot amongst the top two. secondly, that analysis doesnt mean moyo is greater than bradman so why you are uncomfortable if another analysis shows moyo is above sachin.

    some stats do reflect batsman greater than other like moyo’s case – even greater than bradman.; but that stat or analysis wont be flawed bcos of its findings. similarly compaartive analysis of misbah and bradman is same. but greatness is not dependent upon one analysis.

    greatness is about average, centuries, consistency, reliability, ability to deliver under pressure, play on all surfaces, match winning knocks,scoring runs as captain etc and then making an inference.

    sardardkular has question marks over reliability, consistency, delivery under pressure, match winning knocks etc.. so if you call him great whats the criteria?

    fact that he hits good balls for 4s and makes top class bowlers ordinary.

    viv outclassesss him in that department.

  141. #141 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 11:08 AM

    KS

    u said meri badduaa lagi; thats why i said

    BTW i didnt curse sardradkular bcos his community is cursing him by applying so much pressure.

    just compare amla and smith’s knock and sardardkular’s knock

    whn he scored senkra and led team to victory and specially as a captain.

    dont mind but he is not a leader.

    another avenue which needs to be colunted when measuring greatness

    thats why i rate steve waugh highly; great batsman plus great leader

    and even you praised him when u prised clarke’s 100

    has sardardkular ever scored a 100 like clarke on a green pitch when wkts are falling?

  142. #142 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:11 AM

    Tom

    After recently realising that Yousuf averages less than 30 against SA, SL and Australia, I am opposed to him being anywhere near the other great batsmen and this also includes Inzamam, let alone SRT.

    You seem to be thinking that I am just opposed to this analysis because it shows SRT as less than Bradman- I have already answered this.

    If someone does an analysis of most runs in a calender year and uses that to compare all other batsmen, Bradman may not be in the top 3 or top 5. What will you say then? Yousuf with all this flaws will be the “best man” for the purposes of that list and everyone else will be “second best”.

    That is my problem with this analysis.

    My reasons are extremely valid unlike this list which is biased, narrow and compares only the best 52 Test streak. It is barely an indicator of greatness. A player with a very short career can artificially appear as better than someone with a longer career who was extremely consistent.

    So, why focus on this list? It is BS.

    You can keep saying that I am criticising this list because it somehow undermines SRT but, the fact that this list is not an indicator of greatness will not change.

  143. #143 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:14 AM

    Tom

    SRT has never played a knock like that, but this was an exceptional knock even by Clarke’s standards.

    It will be considered as one of the best all time knocks.

    One of the reasons I admire SRT by the way is because he scores quicker than Dravid or Lara (since Clarke scored very quickly). He is not a pressure absorber, he is a strokeplayer. He will find a gap when Dravid and Lara will not. That is another aspect to his batting but I guess it links with that you have said about his ability to hit good balls for 4.

  144. #144 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 11:23 AM

    KS

    thats something to admire

    but to ascribe it to greatness is debatable..

    anyway, you are free to accept any analysis and consider any batsman is great.

    same is with me!

    sardardkular will be remenbered as a controversial great and indians will keep on defending him- thats how i see it.

    BTW you say you havent seen bradman and so is the case with me

    have u seen abraraham lincoln whom we both rate high

    did you see the way he conducted politics, presidency, daily life etc or your knowledge is based on reading history.

    so if a manchalaa argues that clinton is better than abraham or we shouldnt compare the two coz we havent seen abraham- would that be fair

    a comparative analysis of us presidents should be dismissed on this premise?

    right now obama is being compared with a president during great depression ( dont remeber the name)

    so shall we dismiss the comparison bcoz that president was like 1930-40

    Sir, history is meant to serve many objectives. if you are going to rate things which only you have seen ,then world doesnt exist for you bfor 1970.l

    i think u should read about bradman then decide its worth considering him or dismissing him

  145. #145 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:32 AM

    Tom

    I was actually thinking about this yesterday, that you or Javed A Khan might ask why I like Lincoln if I didn’t see his style of leadership with my own eyes.

    I like him for his liberal views at a time when people were conservative and I can personally relate to some of his quotes.

    But tell me this. Did I claim that he is the best President ever?

    I did not say that. I don’t say that with Bradman. I don’t say that with SRT as well- what I say is that he is the best batsman of my time because most indicators of greatness point in his direction. Some indicators such as the ability to hit good balls for 4 are an indication of sheer batting skill, and technical genius, and I rate this quality higher than what Lara did against Australia when he made the 153 because he relied on Ambrose to play arguably the best innings of his life. He could not have done that in normal circumstances simply because Ambrose played well on that particular occasion.

  146. #146 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 11:37 AM

    So, Dilshan is gone!

    This man Cheemra is as old as that recent Pakistani bowler who used to play in Kuwait and bowled well against SA, I am forgetting his name. So, how long will Cheema play as a fast bowler when he is already 32 plus?

    And, the Pakistan team is exactly the same as they mentioned in the review yesterday with NO Malik in it.

    Mohammad Hafeez, Imran Farhat, Younis Khan, Misbah-ul-Haq*, Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razzaq, Sarfraz Ahmed†, Umar Gul, Aizaz Cheema, Saeed Ajmal

    I am not impressed by Sarfaraz Ahmed, neither as a wicketkeeper nor as a batsman. He may be good for domestic cricket but, not at the Intl. level.

  147. #147 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:40 AM

    Tom

    Ponting is considered to be the best Australian batsman of the modern era and 2nd best Australian batsman after Bradman. Those who don’t know about his average in India will also say that he is the 2nd best batsman of all time.

    But, imagine if Bradman had played on Indian spin tracks or uneven South African pitches. What is to say that there is a chance he would not have faltered. Maybe there is a slight chance, but it is a possibility. Can anyone imagine that Ponting, with all his greatness is barely able to play in India?

    If he had played 15 Tests in India and suffered the same fate as Ponting his average might have dropped into the 70s. He would still be great but there would not be so much furore about him.

  148. #148 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 11:40 AM

    weell ur reading my brain

    ul get bored (hehe)

    KS

    did u make this judgment after reading abt him or bfor. u must have some points for ur theory, u wont simply say its a thing of the past; dont compare.

    whatever u claim abt anyone , u must have some info to make a claim

    hitting good balla for 4 is not the sole criteria for batting greatness. how to save your wkt when ball is swerving like an eel and boucing towards your throat is another criteria.

  149. #149 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:41 AM

    Not only is Misbah pathetic, he also loses the toss ever so often.

    Man I am sick of him losing the toss and batting second and boring us with what would otherwise be an exciting run chase.

  150. #150 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:43 AM

    Tom

    Come on yaar.

    We ought to like a batsman more if he can hit a good ball for 4 rather than someone who defends really well.

    You would like that about Afridi, Sehwag, Ponting etc but why not like that about SRT as well.

  151. #151 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 11:45 AM

    khansahab

    Lincoln said: ” ………….. Let us have faith that right makes might and in that faith let us do our duties as we understand it.”

    Now, involving faith in politics (according to khansahab people were conservative at that time) was not a new idea it, started in England when the Kings and the Church became a hand in the glove to rule the country.
    Besides as the expression goes, faith is to believe what we do not see and the reward of this faith is what we believe. Also, does not hold any waters because Faith must be perceived in its original form without any dilution or contamination, here Lincoln is saying let us do our duties “AS WE UNDERSTAND IT.” Based on that notion my understanding and my perception would be different from others, so the quote has a basic flaw because he is giving everyone a right to do his duty according to his understanding.

  152. #152 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:47 AM

    Tom

    Let me put it this way.

    I know about Bradman’s average.

    I know about Bodyline.

    I know about his nationality.

    I know about his claim that SRT is like him.

    I know he played only against 2 teams in 2 countries.

    I know that he probably holds some records.

    I know he played like 50 years ago.

    I know he played at a time when cricket was very different.

    I have heard different things about his technique because history is never consistent about figures. You and JAK make it seem like he was a swashbuckler like Viv. But, I have read he was compact and a good runner between the wickets and he used to improvise. So, basically from what I’ve read he had more in common with SRT than Viv.

    But, do I still know enough?

  153. #153 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:50 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Everyone already performs his duties as they understand it.

    Sunnis, Shias, Ahmadis certainly seem to do so.

    Faith is already diluted and everyone claims they follow the correct faith. This is because of their inability to accept difference of opinion and other’s experiences and understanding.

  154. #154 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 11:51 AM

    KS

    great societies are considered great according to theior performance in their times.

    mongols and romans were considered great acc to challenges faced by them in their time. if u say mongols didnt face nukes else they would have faltered, thats not the right way to think. you cant question their greatness on that pretext. same is with individuals. don ruled and conquered whatever came in front of him. he wasnt just a good choka chaka player. I stil feel you should scrutnise the man to understand what he was. see my great grand dad must have faced different ciercumstances than me. but should i dismisss his achievements due to time lag or absence of modern challenges. you know what you are avoiding is riguorosly done in history- comparison of entities in different time frames.

    first you should question don’s standing amongst his contemporaries and then see sachin’s standing amongst his contemporaries. don beats players of his era fair and square while with sardardkular there are many questions- a simple analysis becomes bone of contention.

    one thing is 100% clear. don was a bigger great amongst his era than sardardkular is in his era. now the only thing left is to compare the 2 directly which you think aint possible but which is done in history bfore in various fields.

  155. #155 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 11:51 AM

    It is 6:50 a.m. here and I was up early as usual (@4:00 am) for my breakfast and then go back to sleep, I had my breakfast, the match is boring because Pakistan is not batting first and nothing much is happening, I think it would be better to take a second nap for a couple of hours and then see how the match progresses?

  156. #156 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:52 AM

    JAK

    Cheema is 32 officially. Real age may be 35?

    Afridi once said that is the norm for Pakistan cricketers to state their ages as at least 2 years less than actual age.

  157. #157 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 11:55 AM

    NO KS

    he was a great captain

    he had serious bouts of sickness ( life threatening)

    he had bad patches in his career

    yes, e said sardardkular reminds him of him so we will compare everything between the two.

    KS, if on a seaming pitch batsman hits a boundary and gets out and a grafter makes 30 odd in 2 hrs, whichb is best?

  158. #158 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 12:00 PM

    Tom

    I accept that Don was unrivalled but SRT is rivalled.

    And Dravid, Lara and Ponting are great players in their own right.

    Clarke and G Smith are great players. Sangakkara is a great player for SL although his batting is a little boring.

    Smith is a match winner for SA, no questions asked. Sehwag is also great.

    According to Pakistan standards Inzamam was great too although how I wish he would have played Australia and SA a little better.

    That’s what I am saying- Mongols didn’t face nukes and SRT and Bradman faced different circumstances. Doesn’t make anyone less great, but you are claiming that Bradman was DEFINITELY greater and I am claiming that WE CANNOT SAY FOR DEFINITE.

    People compare different eras and personalities for various reasons but there is always divergence of opinion. A lot of people will say Kennedy handled the Cold War a lot better than Lincoln perhaps ever would. Nowadays handling of foreign policy dictates how good a leader is. In Lincoln’s time, human rights and democracy were the biggest issues.

    So that is what I am saying- one can compare different eras for comparison’s sake but there will always be more merit in comparing apples with apples and pears with pears.

  159. #159 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 12:01 PM

    khansahab

    Lincoln was talking about one nation and not about one religion. Faith does not necessarily means religious faith but, faith in yourself, faith in others and faith in your leadership etc., but without a set of rules to follow is an exercise in futility and, performing duties according to our own understanding would mean nothing but it could also lead to chaos. Any industry be it automobile, aviation, space agency etc, etc, cannot run by people who have different understandings about their job there has to be a set of guidelines and then you have to have faith in those guidelines provided to you and work according to it.

    Ps

    Btw, when Zardari gave his first speech at the UN the speech was written and the word CHAOS was pronounced by him as CHAY-OSS. So, the speech writers use phonetics for him like KAYOS and he pronounces it as Chaos. 😀

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 12:03 PM

    Afridi can blab anything he is not just an Akhroat but a KURVA BADAAM too. 😀 The name of that other fast bowler is Tanvir Ahmad? I think he is 34 and in test matches he was already huffing and puffing after a few overs.

  161. #161 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 12:04 PM

    Tom

    If SRT gets out for 4 on seaming pitch and Dravid makes 30 then Dravid is better.

    But why are you comparing a score of 4 with that of 30?

    Why not SRT making 20 in 25 balls but Dravid making 30 in 50 balls?

    We have already seen that Dravid averages more in England and NZ and SRT more in SA and Australia so your figures don’t really align with the stats if you had a batsman like SRT and a batsman like Dravid in mind (if someone else was in your mind please tell me).

  162. #162 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 12:05 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Did Zardari really spell “God” as “Gaad” shortly after he became President?

    Or is it just a rumour?

  163. #163 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 12:07 PM

    khansahab

    Bye Gaad, I daan’t NO.

    But, if someone is saying Zardari must have said that, I am not surprised.

  164. #164 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 12:07 PM

    KS

    u said one likes hitters like afridi, sehwag. but in test ckt, it aint likethat. i llike javed who was more of a single, double player but also successful. he also had a good defense. your view is more oriented towards sahorter formats which iam not discussing

  165. #165 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 12:10 PM

    Tom

    I mentioned Sehwag and Ponting’s name too along with Afridi, and Sehwag is more reputable in Tests. He averages 50+ in Tests. Ponting plays attackingly irrespective of the match situation- his strike rate may not always be 80 but his intent is there.

  166. #166 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 12:10 PM

    OK folks I am going now.

    Hopefully Misbah won’t make this match boring for us.

  167. #167 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 12:14 PM

    http://jazba.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/zardaris-english-skill-another-inzimam-ul-haq-rising/

    Khansahab here is the link in which you will see he wrote his comments at the Qaid’s Mazaar and spelled Goad for God and Strent for Strength.

  168. #168 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 12:15 PM

    Sangakara gone too and A. Razzaq took the wicket, and I am going off to sleep.

    Bye

  169. #169 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 12:16 PM

    Tom

    Lesson for today is that Misbah is half as good as Bradman

    😀

    Man I must stop criticising him from now. Half as good as the legendary DON!!!!

    That must be something…………………..

  170. #170 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 12:31 PM

    KS

    nobody calls sehwag or ponting greatest

    nobody shreiks if an analysis says they are below any batsman

    but sardardkular pe ungli nahi uthni chaye kyunkye bharat maata ki aan ka sawaal hae

    at least u confessed legendary don!

    nobody say that for sardardkular, including you ( hehehe…..)

    sorry for australia loss!

    afridi kab se tets player hogya

    jo dekho wo maano, jo naa dekho mukar jaoo!

    history sirf kaghzi cheez hae

  171. #171 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 4:25 PM

    This emphatic win against Sri Lanka means:

    Imran Farhat got a license to kill for the next 4 matches, he threw his wicket away just after making “a legendary 50” no need to refer Farhat you are gone!
    Afridi has proved his worth by taking 3 wickets
    Misbah has been declared captain for life.

    IF, any WC is played in the UAE, Pakistan are the automatic world champions in all formats of the game. 😀

  172. #172 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 4:37 PM

    It may be too early to comment but, it looks like Sri Lanka is suffering from PMS 😀 ……… (Post Murali Syndrome)

    Very soon India will go through the same kinda syndrome when 10 Dullkar will retire. Perhaps the whole nation will mourn on his retirement.

  173. #173 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 4:48 PM

    the syndrome wont be restricted to INdia only

    there will be indian and some non Indians as well who’ll mourn! (hehe…)

    sardardkular ka anth!

    for the time being, a stock of paracetamol will be required when 100th 100 will be scored.

    lata will sing a hymn!

  174. #174 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 4:52 PM

    for the time being gods r smiling on stodge!

    seena mazeed chodra hogaya hoga!

    ise kahtey hain qismat

  175. #175 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 4:54 PM

    WTF is this? The cricinfo or the ESPN is INDIAN MAFIA, see what they have written in comments after the match is over?

    “A cakewalk for the home team, their spinners set it up by bowling Sri Lanka out for 131 and Farhat and Younis ensured there were no hiccups in the chase. Sri Lanka will be disappointed but they have a chance to make amends. Nitin Sundar’s report is getting updated as I type. Join us in a bit for the presentation. ”

    Home Team? Home Ground? My FOOT,. India has lost dozens of matches in the UAE against Pakistan and they call the UAE as home ground. This is really rubbish and extremely BIASED view. In Dubai there are more Indians than Pakistanis and the Indians have much bigger and larger businesses than Pakistanis, just because they get defeated there should not label the UAE as Pakistan’s home ground or Pakistan as home team in the UAE.

  176. #176 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 4:58 PM

    Indians are lousy losers, they cant stand pakistani win. I still remember whem kumble took 10 wkts (thanks to umpire jay bakwasss), star sports would show kumble juming and on the screen written DUS… DUS

    abey kya dus, dus ghus gae dus paht gae, dus bache hogae..

    ch2s…..

  177. #177 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 4:58 PM

    TU MERA RAAG MAI TERI RAAGNI…………. YOU SUCKRATCH MY BAKE AND EYE SUCKRATCH YOURS.

    Shahid Afridi is Man of the Match for his three-for. An excellent comeback. Afridi: “Alhamdullilah, feeling great to come back in the international arena after a while. We have a good team combination at the moment, we’re going through a rebuilding process. Misbah is leading the team very well.” hahahahahaahaha @ buttering.

    Misbah-ul-Haq: “It’s all about the team-work. The guys are doing a wonderful job. The fast bowlers gave us a good start, Hafeez and Afridi were brilliant. The bowlers are doing their job and putting them under pressure and getting wickets at the right time. The strength was our spinners, we stuck to the basics and they bowled well with the new ball. Afridi is a match-winner, he came on and bowled with a big heart. He took wickets at the right time and put us on the right track.”

  178. #178 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 5:03 PM

    well stodge is definitely better than sardardkular in one aspect

    i hope ks you dont dismiss this as unfair tooo…

    blogs.espncricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/2011/11/the_question_about_misbah.php#more

    kya greatnjess tumhari sardardkular, captaincy mein tum deliver nahi karsake, bahut sare records tumhare pass nahi, ek ch2 qaum ne tumhe chadya hua hae. kahi retirement ke baad chadhaaa he na dey.

  179. #179 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 5:08 PM

    http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/2011/11/the_question_about_misbah.php#more

    guys this is the link for article mentioned in previous comment.

  180. #180 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 6:05 PM

    So misbah has the 2nd highest average as capatain after the greattttttt Don. in other words, he has surpassed many great aussie, indian, pakistani players.

    ise kahte hain ooper wala meherbaan , to gadha pehelwaan

    avg of 80.81- gimme a break

  181. #181 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 6:07 PM

  182. #182 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 6:09 PM

    Hafeez deserved MOM in this one- 2 of Afridi’s wickets were tailenders. He came later on when Hafeez had already constricted the Lankans.

    Imran Farhat is making a 50, Taufeeq made 200- this is what is happening in Misbah’s captaincy and this is the calibre of the Sri Lankan bowling at the moment.

    Don’t really need to say anything more.

  183. #183 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 6:12 PM

  184. #184 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 6:13 PM

    Tom

    Yaar if an Indian says Pakistanis are CH2 for not appreciating SRT’s greatness then it will rile you.

    I know you didn’t mean that “CH2 qaum” remark for all Indians but it can be interpreted as such.

    When you or I say that Pakistanis are CH2, that is different because it is like “ghar ki baat”. But for an outsider to say this is not nice.

    I hope you can clarify your stance because I feel that remark was offensive and unnecessary.

  185. #185 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 6:21 PM

    Tom

    You spoke about Sehwag and Ponting’s greatness.

    Well, you are wrong because Sagaat here has commented a few times that Sehwag is the best Test player.

    I have read articles where people are arguing Ponting is the greatest batsman.

    Yaar criticism should be fair and unbiased- look at the way you have suggested about “bharat maata ki aan”. No Australian, Englishman etc will treat this topic in such a way or if they mention Indian pride they will do it in a light hearted way.

    Let’s not make it an issue about national pride and nationalism.

    I have enjoyed discussing issues with you because I believe you are generally unbiased but it is better not to speak about nationalism. It will only make Indians despise you and we are lucky that on this blog at least we have had fairly educated and unbiased Indians.

  186. #186 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 6:23 PM

    If they can’t use Zaheer Abbas then they turn to the next worst candidate?

    PCB wants Rameez as chief operating officer

    Former captain Rameez Raja has emerged as the front-runner for the position of chief operating officer (COO) in the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB).
    Official sources in the board confirmed that new chairman, Zaka Ashraf has already made an offer to Rameez to take over as COO.

  187. #187 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 6:27 PM

    Tom

    Misbah will perhaps never play a Test series in England or against SA and Australia so his average will be pretty high when he retires.

    He will be celebrated as a great captain.

    Only a minority of people will know that in truth not only was he mediocre but his batting had a very negative influence on the team.

    He has already shown this but leading Pakistan to draws or defeats in those matches when most captains would have gone for the kill.

  188. #188 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 6:34 PM

    KS

    its all in light spirit.

    its all tafreeh KS, if I strat taking this toooo seriuosly then I better quitttt.

    life already is full of hasslessssssssssssssssssss………..

    Indians infact anyone is welcome if they argue wrt cricket. I think u consider me patrioticccccccccccccc……….

    Iam as patrioticcccccccccccc as you r religioussssssssssss……….

    KS let me tell youn something

    I used to watch indian movies. then i discussed them with my bunch of friends. we talked abt plot, hero ,villain etc but there were a few who always gave a bizarre feedback.

    ultimately we figured out they were fond of songs. they would focus on dances, thumkas, jhatkas, lyrics etc. to them movie was geetmala. we stopped arging with them as we were not interested in song thing.

    The way I see it you like 4s and 6s, which to me may be an integral part of one dfay cricket but not test cricket. I dont rate batsmen in terms of boundaries they score or whether they have that asbility or not. even a tailender cvan slog a six to any bowler and make him look ordinary.

    We have a fundamental difference in perception which will never allow us to agree about great batting. There is no compulsion in sport- you have your preferences, i have mine.

  189. #189 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 6:36 PM

    KS

    thats your view abt him; if you realize in same vain people talk abt sardardkular and you vehemently disagree. To be honest, there is a lot of substance in criticism abt sardardkular. he is a lone ranger, more interested in his achievements than the team.

  190. #190 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 6:38 PM

    He will be celebrated a great captaibn whose avg may be equal or less than don as captain.

    richie benaud once said , ” i prefer to be a lucky captain than a good one ‘

    lets facer it- gods are with him.

  191. #191 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 6:56 PM

    Tom

    I have accepted Tendulkar’s weaknesses and I also said this morning that unlike Don he has rivals in his era,

    What more do you want me to say?

    I pasted a video of SRT on this blog where he hit some good shots and it upset Sagaat- that video was from Test cricket. So, the shots are from Tests and ODI’s too, but I have always agreed with Sagaat and I will agree with you that he is a better ODI player.

    For the past 2 days we have only been discussing Test cricket though, have we not?

    It is very easy to say that someone has a soft spot for someone but essentially it is the fairness of your arguments that counts. I don’t like Indian movies, a lot of Indian food and I also don’t like their culture of worshipping anything that amazes them. But, he is an extraordinary batsman and because he is extraordinary, like Bradman, like Sobers, like Warne- I don’t see why anyone needs to use special effort to try and tarnish him in an attempt to tease or hurt India.

    I never felt comfortable criticising anything about Lara or Bradman because they are legends of the game, but when I have felt that the argument has deviated from what is logical and unbiased and essentially transformed into an issue of national pride, then I have intervened and forwarded a different perspective in that these players had weaknesses too.

    But tell me, why don’t Pakistanis moan about Bradman or Lara’s weaknesses as much?

    Hasad or tass’ub waali baath hai key nahi?

    Once in a while someone needs to rise above a certain level and speak fairly without any biases.

    I know some Indian Muslims who also claim that Tendulkar is flawless but I always point out his weaknesses to them and they actually think that I hold a grudge against him..

  192. #192 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:06 PM

    Tom

    If you look back some of the history of the blog and see whenever a debate about SRT has arisen, you will note that 9 times out of 10 someone else has said something and I have responded, and that has started a discussion.

    So, I have rarely been the aggressor because, I don’t have any agenda.

    Once I innocently pasted that video to Sagaat and I was surprised how much it riled him- that is the only time that I have started discussion on SRT.

    If I respond to you, or to JAK, or to Sagaat, then my response becomes a “vehement” response (using your terminology) but you just need to take stock of what is really going on. You are using words like “CH2 qaum” and for you and the others it’s a matter of defending Pakistan. For me it is not a matter of defending India because, I was not born there- I am an outsider to Indians.

    Every time I speak in favour of Tendulkar, I somehow become an “Indian supporter”. This is what Sagaat implied and you have also implied that. It becomes a matter of India vs Pakistan and national pride.

    Have the guts to admit what I am saying is true.

    So, if I notice anyone criticising SRT should I say that this person is an Indian hater? Things like these are very easy to say.

  193. #193 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:15 PM

    Tom

    About being religious, how does one define who is religious?

    You have religious acts and rituals, and then you have morality which is the quality that you ought to learn from religion, and then you have education which teaches you the difference between right and wrong and it teaches you to analyse issues.

    So you can look at these aspects separately or you can consider them as linked.

    I might succeed on the morality or education front and may falter on the religious acts and rituals front. But, succeeding on the moral or education front may already determine that I have succeeded in the test of “religion”?

    I have used the word “might” there, because I may or may NOT have succeeded on the moral and education front.

    Rest is up to our Creator and we don’t know. As Socrates said, “The greatest wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing”.

  194. #194 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:16 PM

    Tom

    About Pakistan and India and nationalism how is this for my Pakistani patriotism:

    “bhagwaan ney hamay di dharti

    hum ne kaheen bharat kaheen Iran banaya”

  195. #195 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:20 PM

    Tom

    I had begun doubting my assessment of Misbah and I had seriously started thinking whether he is really a good captain.

    But then I thought about Imran Farhat’s 50 and Taufeeq’s double century in the Test series.

    That restored my sanity because there is definitely something wrong with the Sri Lankan bowling.

  196. #196 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:32 PM

    Tom

    Kumble did not deserve those 10 wickets.

    For some reason Pakistan used to struggle against him.

    Never looked like a great bowler. Maybe a notch above Salim Malik as far as bowling is concerned.

  197. #197 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:33 PM

    Kumble did win many matches for India and he probably won more matches for them than any batsman did, but neither him nor Harbhajan look like they deserve so many wickets.

  198. #198 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:37 PM

    Veena on her way to have a Hindu wedding? Might need some Islamic scholarly opinion 😉

    Veena Malik Ka Swayamvar: Will she choose an Indian groom?

    Actress Veena Malik is apparently all set to tie the knot on Indian television and garner a handsome amount of Rs 4.5 crore.

    Initially, a television channel had offered her an amount of Rs 3 crore, but now the amount has been increased to Rs 4.5 crore. Reportedly, the extra 1.5 crore will only be sanctioned if she agrees to tie the knot with any of the suitors itself.

    So, Veena Malik has to choose between two contracts. If she walks away without getting married, then she will only be offered 3 crore, but if she marries her prospective groom she will be offered 1.5 crore extra.

    Only time will tell whether Veena Malik will choose an Indian groom.

  199. #199 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:39 PM

    Asif would get drunk and thrash me: Veena Malik

    He has physically attacked me, and that too not once, but several times. If he can do it to me, I’m sure he can do it to anyone. He would get drunk and thrash me. There have been occasions when the next morning, oblivious of everything, he would ask, ‘Maine lagaya kya yeh zakhm?’ You should speak to my makeup artiste and he will tell you how he would conceal all the bruises and scratches. I remember seeing him once thrashing the girl he was dating, before he met me. Usne baalon se uss ladki ko pakda aur maara. He even called her a prostitute. He told me, the girl was blackmailing him for using her. He has slapped me for no reason in front of his friends. Once, I asked him why he did it, he told me, ‘I slapped you because you were speaking to another guy. How dare you do that?’ On another occasion, he hit me hard when the food that I had prepared for his friends wasn’t sufficient. I told him, ‘Sirf aadha ghanta do, main aur khaana bana deti hoon’. He didn’t listen to what I said and slapped me instead.

  200. #200 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:44 PM

    Tom

    You have the Pakistani Nargus and you have this Indian Nargis who is actually half Pakistani (btw these are some of the more conservatively-dressed pictures and can be viewed by children):

  201. #201 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 7:53 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Craption is big prablam in gormunt of Prazdint Asaf Zardari.

  202. #202 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 8:38 PM

    KS

    every critic of sarddkular is not anti indian- at least im not indian.
    likewise eve3ry critic of sardadkullar is not motivated by patriotism- im not very patriotic.

    people dont talk much abouit lara or ala bla bcoz sardadkular is an aspirant or taslked abnout aspirant to don’s throne. when don praises someone, he’s bound to be an aspirant to his throne. Greratness doesnt come easily- you have to surmount many a obstacles. sardadkular hasnt achieved true greatyness. now what happens if a pakistani says this, indians consider it anti indian and when indian say this, pakistanis consider it anti pakistani. nationalism runs too high on both sides.

    there is no denying that sardardkular is someone close to achieving don’s stature but I feel an element of vanity or self gratification within him. ultimately, indians just want everybody to believe that hes equal infact some even claim that hes greater than Don- thats rtubbish.

    regarding our discussion, i want to say two things.

    dont look at our discussion from prism of your and sagaat’s discussion. ive read that and its different btw us. you do raise it sometimes and I get the impression that certain things are rewinding in your mind. so perhaps something else is in front of you and yopur mind shows it as something else. you arte discussing an issue with a different person who looks at things differently than the one before him. i know you miss him and I would love that he would rejoin. but its better if you dont draw parallels btw that discussion and this discussion.

    secondly, i think you want to convince everybody about sardardkular’s greatness but you have to understand minds are very difficult too control. if you think you have presented your case, then let things incubate and see how things unfold. Let me tell you, its impossible to convince everybody and I think this has to be acknowledged by all.

    when I said CH2 qaum , i meant ch2 qaum- just like i say it for pakistan. when shoiab’s book launching was stopped, it was ch2ism. so what should I say. i think if ch2 qaum is bad, then its badf for all societies ( either indians, pakistanis or anybody else). so either no qaum is ch@ qaum regardless of what it does, or it isd ch2 qaum if it does something ch2apa.

    KS, what makes you feel i consider u an Indian. No, ur not an Indian!

    its not about guts whether what u say isright or wrong, its about penetrating through ones heart and convincing him- guts come much later. I speak with my mind and heart, im not too convinced abt sardardkular’s greatyness, the fact that i rate u an indian., or india vs pak. infact, since you raised this, I supported india during WC ( even semifina), so am I indian. no, I thought india would win coz it was stronger of the two.

    about ur being religiuos, you have quoted on this blog ur not religiuos. i simply stated that….

    KS, i have quite a lot of sardardkular and there are many other things which we can discuss apart from this. its not necessary we both agree on everything abt a batsman. Anyway, he’ll get a 100 and then blogs will be inundated with discussion abt his greatness.

  203. #203 by tom on November 11, 2011 - 8:43 PM

    about don junior- stodge

    give him credit for being second best captain

    sir, i talked with many people after the match. they say although hes selfish and ch2, if hes winning ,we should support him .one must admit, hes winning and you have to give him credit even though oppositi0on is ch2 team. nothing succeedsd like siuccess.!

    let hi mplay against tougher teams and well see what exactly hes made off

  204. #204 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 10:11 PM

    KAMRAN ABBASI must have been reading our blog and he too has mentioned Don Bradman in his latest thread on PS i.e., exactly what you guys have been discussing for the past one week, comparing averages. But, what surprised me is, finally he too (Kamran et tu?) is showing his regional bias and joined the bandwagon that is singing Misbah’s Carols and showering praise and accolades about the greatness of Misbahul Haq as a great captain and, as a match winner and, as the highest average getter or whatever.

    We never said that every player must play like Shahid Afridi or hit sixes and fours on every ball. We have praised quality players among them are, Dravid, Ponting, Kevin Pietersen, Javed Miandad etc. The moment Pakistan won this first ODI, Misbah’s supporters are somersaulting over a trampoline, among them is our friend Kamran Abassi. What a shame that people have a tunnel vision or they are blinded by regional bias.

    tom, have you noticed that cricinfo guys (blog administrators) keep reading threads on our blog also, the comments and discussion. This is not the first time they have done this.

    My question is what exactly has Misbah done in winning or drawing these so many matches? I don’t see any significant contribution from him as a player or even as a captain. He is still as lazy as he was before, he is as slow as he was before, his strike rate is getting from bad to worst, he is a negative player and YET he is considered as the best captain with a great average? WHAT A LOAD OF COW DUNG.

    I am sorry to say that Kamran Abassi has just written a thread which is so emotionally biased against others and he left no stone unturned in praising Misbah, who doesn’t deserve anything better than retirement.

    ALSO, I am really surprised to hear that RAMIZ RAJA whom the Indians call as PHATA BAJA will become the COO? He can add KOO as a suffix to his title and keep “cuckoo-ing” like a KOYAL and keep praising Aamir and his likes.

    I think in a way it would be better if he becomes the COO of the PCB, BAKAOZ very recently he said, ALL THREE MUSKETEERS must be banned for life. So, it will be a good test for him and for us to see if he is a MAN of his words?

  205. #205 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 10:48 PM

    JAK

    I was also disappointed to read Abbasi’s remarks about Misbah.

  206. #206 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 10:53 PM

    Tom

    Misbah might have brought some luck to this team but this is a series which has seen Taufeeq Umar score a double century and Farhat scoring a 50.

    Maybe Misbah is calm and professional and maybe he is not a hot head like Afridi. These qualities should obviously be praised.

    But, a situation like the T20 final loss vs India or WC semi final loss vs India might occur soon enough and will he be able to lead Pakistan successfully in those situations?

    Gul is somehow back in form, Cheema is taking wickets, Junaid is taking wickets. Hafeez is carrying on from where he left, Afridi is back and looking good. So, is this good captaincy or is he lucky that virtually all of his main bowlers are in form?

    I am not trying to be too negative here but form is something that tends not to stay with Pakistan a long time. I hope for their sake that they maintain some kind of winning streak and the confidence helps when they play against better oppositions.

  207. #207 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 10:55 PM

    Saeed Anwar is the only Pakistani to have won more ODI MOM awards than Afridi.

  208. #208 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 10:56 PM

    khansahab

    Yesterday I wrote on this blog that whenever Afridi gets a wicket in his first over he bowls with a lot of aggression and he takes more wickets also, if he gets to bat in the same match (playing second) he scores runs at a good pace. Do you remember that? This is exactly what happened today, he got his first wicket in his first over and then he got two more but, the important thing is he took 3/27 which is good. Anyways, it was a very low scoring match and neither Afridi, nor Razzaq or Umar Akmal got a chance to bat. (Pyjamay da koi zikr nai)

    Zaka Ashraf has defended and stood by his decision on including Afridi in this ODI series, reportedly there was a lot of criticism from unknown circles that he is promoting Afridi. The news is in today’s DAWN.

  209. #209 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 11, 2011 - 11:01 PM

    The problem with Pakistani players is, the success goes into their head and they become very complacent and play very lethargic cricket in that case, obviously they lose and this is what has happened in the past. One good thing that I can see now is, there will be no match fixing dreams at least in the Pakistani camp. So, this winning streak might continue because, they are a talented bunch but consistency was lacking, whether it was due to lethargy, complacency or match fixing. At least one evil is eliminated and the team looks good.

  210. #210 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:02 PM

    Afridi needs 4 MOM awards to become the most awarded Pakistani player.

    He has hit the most sixes in ODI cricket.

    Only the 2nd player to have taken 300 wickets and scored 6000 runs.

    10th highest wicket taker in ODI’s.

    There must be more records.

    But definitely one of the greatest ODI players for Pakistan.

  211. #211 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:08 PM

    All time Pakistan ODI XI?

    Saeed Anwar
    Mohd Hafeezulkar
    Inzamam
    Miandad
    Imran
    Afridi
    Moin Khan
    Saqlain
    Wasim
    Waqar
    Shoaib Akhtar

  212. #212 by Aatma-hathya on November 11, 2011 - 11:43 PM

    Tom

    Thanks for clarifying your stance and I appreciate your explanation.

    There are two facets to my point of view in the Tendulkar debate. One is that based on several crucial indicators which I think influence greatness MORE than others, I feel he is probably the best batsman. This includes but is not limited to perfection in shot execution, overall strike rate in all formats, record against good teams, and consistency over the period the last 13-14 years or so.

    The second facet is that, at times I have sensed that people have tried too hard to undermine him not because of the reality of his calibre, but because of feelings of nationalism. This has seemed very odd to me and I have intervened and provided arguments and counter arguments and compared SRT with the Bradmans and the Laras, albeit reluctantly. I can never wholeheartedly compare Bradman and Lara with anyone because, I don’t have venom against them and neither do I worship SRT. So, the effort from my side is not wholehearted but even then apparently I manage to upset some people.

    So, the point of saying the above is that I am not trying to control anyone’s minds but presenting a viewpoint as to how one’s method of analysing players may be flawed.

    I am not prepared to accept that Bradman with his average of 100 makes him to be the best all time batsman because if averages are conclusive indicators then Misbah averages close to 50 too. Inzamam and Misbah average the same.

    I don’t know what else your reasons are for definitively concluding that Bradman is the best. You said his style was a bit like Viv’s but I rebutted that with my reading that his style for more like SRT’s. So, this is not me trying to control your mind but people have obviously written differently about Bradman. And this is part of the problem that he is a figure in history and no one really knows how his batting was.

    Bradman may have been the best batsman, he may not. SRT may be the best batsman too or he may not. But, all I am saying is that based on the factors you are using to determine calibre, your analysis is not impressive enough. I don’t understand how you can go at such lengths to place Bradman as the best batsman when you never saw him bat. Either you have seen him bat or if you haven’t seen him bat, you are just relying on batting average. Is it wise to go off what historians and commentators have written? History will remember SRT differently. There will be those people who say he was perfect, there will be those who say he couldn’t bat under pressure, there will be those who will say he had many weaknesses. Similarly there will be those who will say Lara was perfect and others who will highlight his occasional inconsistency. One should be careful about forming an opinion about people based on simply reading because the writer will be biased.

    That is my honest opinion. I am a bit puzzled because on one hand you say that SRT is “very great” and very much like Bradman but on the other hand you say you are not convinced about his greatness. You do say he has weaknesses but will you agree that, the best players can also have weaknesses?

    Irrespective of how we see different players let us not thrust nationality or national pride in our discussions.

  213. #213 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 12, 2011 - 4:36 AM

    khansahab

    Afridi is like a “ghar ki murghi daal barabar.” Most people don’t see him as a Pakistani cricket player, they see him as a Pathan, living in Karachi, influenced by Karachiites, therefore he is not as good as others. “Ghairaon ki baat nahee, ye qissa hai apnao ka.”

  214. #214 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 12, 2011 - 4:50 AM

    khansahab

    for a change watch this 3 minute video from an Indian movie of the late fifties or sixties …… but, this is a stage show by some gorees from RUSSIA (The song is dubbed) and they have performed it better than the original Indian version ……… wait till the end as the music goes into fast mode, watch the choreography, the foot work and the moves, this is better than ‘Tendulkar’s cover drive, Lara’s leg glance or Shahid Afridi’s straight six. 😀 I think Munir will appreciate it most. 😀



  215. #215 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 12, 2011 - 5:17 AM

    News about the Sri Lankan cricketers:

    Sri Lanka’s fast bowler DHAMMAKA PRASAD got injured in Dubai when a balloon exploded in Colombo. Teesra Parera will replace him, he has already been dispatched by DHL. Chowtha Parera is waiting for his wings to fly. After getting hammered in the fist ODI another fast bowler, Bandara Apna Kulla Sake Ra. The middle order player Kapoora Gurda(Kapugedara) has already retired and planning to open a KHATTA KHUTT restaurant in Kandy, Murali apni Bansi baja reha hai aur Malinga pitt ker bhee Malang hai.

    There is no bias here, its just in a light humor these names have been twisted, even Pakistani players names are twisted like, Amir Churail, Seem Chakram, Phatta Baja, Sania Malak, Khatmal brothers, Afridi Akhroat etc. etc.

  216. #216 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 10:28 AM

    Javed A Khan

    That was good dancing by that group, although I don’t know much about dancing.

  217. #217 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 12, 2011 - 11:09 AM

    khansahab

    I also don’t know much about dancing and I don’t like Indian or Pakistani movie dancing, it is so typical to see all dances are alike and they are very boring, that includes Nargus ka Danus which I have seen only once on a DVD at someone’s house and that is enough. This group of RUSSIAN GIRLS performed so well that no Indian or Pakistani can dance like them. After watching this, I watched the original version from the movie as well, which you can find it on the you tube on the same page on the right side of your suckreen in the list of other songs and, that is pathetic. Perhaps it may have been appreciated at that time because of the music but, the dancers were slow and were unable to keep pace with the fast music, whereas these girls kept the pace and moved in harmony and synchronization.

    I watched it a couple of times to see if there is any flaw or an error in their moves but, they were simply brilliant and it seems very amazing to me as to how they could dance with such coordination and with such elegance, grace, charm and poise. Not only they are good looking and beautiful but, they appear very lively and happy while performing the stage show and that makes a big difference.

  218. #218 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 1:01 PM

    Tom

    Where are you today………

    Khairiyat hai bhai?

  219. #219 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 3:20 PM

    hi ks

    shadi ne nikmaa kardya ks

    warna hum bhi blogger the kaa ke

  220. #220 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 3:50 PM

    KS

    thanks for enquirin abt me

    i read ur comment and right now iam mentally quite tired so il briefly reply

    after going through things on this blogf and other forums and stats, i feel DON is the best batsman.

    i dont recall when i said don has similarities with viv. i dont have the energy to go through comments and archives.

    why u keep on raising nationalism issue.. i told u iam not saying this due to indpak thing..

    sardard is very great, so is dravid, graeme pollock etc… but no batsman ever even came close vto 65.

    ur argument abt misbah being half don is just like someone saying that einstein’s IQ is 160+ so any man having IQ of 80 is half einstein. does it make sense? do you know whats the IQ of a bus driver or a milkman? 65-85

    now if a college student has IQ of 120 ( which means he’s good but not genius) claims to be two third einstein, then what can one say about this dumbness. remebber difference btw avg and genius is hairline. a guy who’s good in maths will get 80 ish marks but genius gets 100. u cant say that 80 wiala guy is four- fifths genius. do ascend from 80 to 100 is damn difficult than to ascendcd from 40 to 80 in maths. similarly to increase ur batting avg from 30 to 50 is not difficult specially during initial days of your batting career ( waugh and hayden are examples ) but to increase your average from 50 to 60 is very very difficult. you will rarely find any batsman to do that and i challenge sardard to aachieve that if hes so goooodddd.

    now we measure intelligence with greatness ( not a perfect way but shrinks havent found any other universal way). similarly batting ability is to be measured with averages ( again not perfvect but statistics has limitations, i dont want to start an academic debate). thats the fundamental measure. Misbah’s average is good but you must keep in mind he’s played 25 tests so if after 60 odd tests he averages 50ish , then we have to admit he can make runs (whether he hate his batting style or he plays on flat tracks is beyond our control.)

    so if his average is close to some good batsman you have to see no of tests played. google andy ganteaume and you will find a player who averages above 100 but he’s dismissed as he palyded only one test.

    now sir, you can dismiss or accept my comment. mind you we are just bloggers and this is not a scientific or academic forum where any pov is book stuff or absolute

    finally, one question. Why you defend sardard so much? log to jkhuda ko bhi nahi mante, so do you argue abt that to such depths. i think you leave them the way they are. so what abt sardard. if an odiot says misbah is better than don , i wont argue with him a lot. we all have different fingerprints so how can we agree on everything.

    if u recall jak had an argument regarding gandhi and Prophet Mohammad (SAW). that was understandable and it was the right thing to do as it was a matter of faith. but shjould a trivial matter of liking or dislikng a particular player be fodder for such inrtense debate no matter how absurd the reasoning is.?i dont think so

    soory sir i said brief but i guess i just kept on babbling. anyway thats my pov and u r most welcome to ur views.

  221. #221 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 3:54 PM

    Andy flower feels test cricket may become extinct!

    he has a point

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/15706525.stm

  222. #222 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 5:02 PM

    new thread

  223. #223 by Mohammed Munir on November 13, 2011 - 5:50 AM

    We had a full thread about 10dulkar and not even a single comment from our Indian bloggers ❓ 😦

    Pawan, Suri, Newguy, ……. where are all these guys ❓

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