AGGRESSION OVER DEFENCE, IMAGINATION OVER INACTIVITY

Younis could have achieved a lot more in his ODI career

Recently there was some discussion on this blog regarding Tendulkar. Tendulkar’s performances of late have been below average and although he has been amongst the top 10 scorers in Test cricket in 2011, by his own standards he was a disappointment, especially in England. Throughout his career Tendulkar has been accused of selfish batting and inability to rescue the team of a situation of crisis. This can be debated by fans endlessly but there is little doubt that whereas one remembers players like Lara playing out of their skins to rescue West Indies, Tendulkar has perhaps never played knocks with such determination and pressure handling ability.

The Australian cricket system helps in producing match winners like Michael Clarke

Speaking of determination and pressure handling ability Michael Clarke stunned the cricket world by producing a career best knock on a difficult pitch against Steyn and Morkel. Clarke refused to bow under pressure and adopted an attacking approach. It was a magical knock by Clarke because he treated South Africa with disdain and beneath his extravagant strokeplay you could see this Australian psyche of, “Never say die,” which we have mentioned many times on this blog. This psyche is a product of the Steve Waugh era where Australians decided that the only way to dominate was to attack and refuse to give up.

Speaking of attacking, Pakistan cricket refuses to creep out of his abyss of negativity that years of poor selection and management have left behind. At the moment PCB is talking about rebuilding and somehow they have discovered that, defensive batting and defensive field placements will lead to rebuilding. Misbah is nearing retirement and luck has favoured him because he might never play Tests on green tops or against good bowling teams. Misbah did well against New Zealand some time ago where the pitches are often green and conditions are conducive to seam and swing, but NZ bowling is mediocre and other batsmen considered lesser than Misbah also made an impact on that tour.

This thread is centred on Younis Khan’s ODI career. How ironic that Imran Khan, an individual who

The PCB is more to blame than the players for Pakistan's failure to produce good openers

bemoans poor decision making and “ad-hoc ism” in PCB suggested that Younis should bat at no 3. This worked to an extent in Tests but it just did not work in ODI’s for various reasons. Younis bats between batting position 4 and 6 in domestic cricket and this was his natural position before he was promoted to no 3. Younis can hit big shots, but his expertise is in building innings whilst occasionally preferring to take the aerial route with his strokes. Expecting Younis to adopt the role of makeshift opener, which he has now done for most of his career, was total folly on part of the PCB. The reason why Younis has stuck to this no 3 position is that barely anyone else will vouch to play in that precarious position.

Pakistan has always juggled with the likes of players who play riskily (Afridi, Hafeez, Imran Nazir), players who can defend but just don’t defend well enough (Taufeeq, Butt) and players who can’t do anything well enough and play because of nepotism (Farhat) as far as the openers’ slot is considered. Due to this pathetic situation they needed a scapegoat and patsy who would play the role of semi attacker, semi makeshift opener who sees off the new ball and semi innings builder. They got Younis Khan to perform this strange role and because Younis is expected to do so many things, he has never been able to excel in any one area as far as ODI’s are concerned.

Younis Khan is a proud Pathan and has few enemies because of his easy going personality. But, sometimes you have to put your foot down and put people in their place. Younis is a yes man and this is apparent from the way he is subservient to every cricket administration (except for when he is captain, as the incident with Shaharyar Khan proved). A person is the best judge of his own ability so my question is, why could Younis not put his foot down and demand to play below no 3? Doing so would mean that he becomes a politician and loses his selflessness, but ultimately Pakistan cricket would have been the winner because someone more suited to that position would have been utilised.

Pakistan never had a specialist ODI batsman at no 3- this is because of the complicated and overly demanding nature this role has in Pakistan cricket. PCB is looking for candidates who can fulfil dual or more than two roles in the opening position. They are not happy with attackers (Afridi, Nazir) and they are not happy with defenders which is why they will not use someone like Azhar Ali in that position. Unfortunately Pakistan cricket is not so developed that you can have the perfect dangerous combination like an attacking Sehwag and someone like Gambhir who can attack and defend according to the situation. Australia also use such an approach with Watson and Hughes. They also used this approach with Gilchrist and Hayden. South Africa have Smith and Amla. Every young batsman England is producing seems to know how to hit boundaries and they have Cook and Strauss to absorb pressure and defend from the other end.

So, why not use this approach?

These problems circulate in a vicious circle and the end result is that someone like Younis, who is talented, ends with an average of early 30s in ODI’s. Younis could easily have averaged 40 if he was allowed the same liberty that was afforded to Inzamam and Misbah, of having a much clearer objective when they come out to bat. Younis can play swing and spin better than Misbah and Inzamam and unlike them, he likes to take the fast bowlers on. Inzamam may have been very good against raw pace but he never looked convincing against swing.

Umar Akmal should not have been admonished in such fashion because his scores of 30 were scored quickly and were certainly more useful to the team than Misbah's scores

The treatment of Younis has been a disaster for Pakistan cricket because firstly, had Younis been handled appropriately he would have made a lot more runs and secondly Pakistan would have had a very good run accumulator/match winner in their ODI middle order.

Umar Akmal may have attitude problems but PCB started admonishing him too early for his aggressive approach (the downside of which was that he could not bat responsibly) and the result was that U Akmal’s performance declined further. It would have been better to let him figure out his flaws because he could make 30-35 runs quickly and this sort of performance is crucial when someone is batting with the likes of Misbah and Asad Shafiq who find it hard to score quickly.

Due to lack of education and nepotism the decision makers have ruined Pakistan cricket. Somehow these ex cricketers who are uneducated and uncouth with a big question mark over their integrity and ability keep obtaining positions of responsibility and the result seems to be constant decline for Pakistan. There is no imagination and no aggressive mindset. What a pathetic situation we have seen recently with Misbah’s captaincy that matches that could have been won turned out to be draws!

To conclude, it is accepted that Pakistan don’t have a Tendulkar or Lara and their cricket is not developed enough to produce a Clarke, but with given resources they can perform much better. It just takes some good intent, unbiased decision making and some imagination. The example of Younis Khan should teach the PCB to opt for educated administrators and managers who can steer Pakistan cricket out of disaster by favouring aggression over defence and imagination over inactivity. This means getting rid of Misbah and Mohsin Khan, getting rid of Imran Farhat and Malik etc. If you look at the successful captains of the modern era- starting with Nasser Hussein, then Vaughan, Ganguly, Dhoni, Afridi etc, they always used the aggressive psyche and they were extremely imaginative and proactive with batting orders and field placements. What we are seeing with Pakistan cricket is just a temporary calm and some stability using a defensive approach to battle minnows, but this plan of action will not “rebuild” the team and it is not a step forward.

IJAZ BUTT

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  1. #1 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 5:03 PM

    we have a new thread

  2. #2 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 6:21 PM

    if its working, dont fix it ,

    thtas the mindset behind every department in pakistan and cricket is no exception. so if mibah is producing the goods, then why change status quo

    I dont thing there is any such thing as long term planning in pakistan.

  3. #3 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 6:23 PM

    listen to this asshole

    ab nange hayaa ki batey kar raheb hain

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=38822&CID=3

  4. #4 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 6:25 PM

    “The ICC and PCB cleared me to play for Pakistan but yet the media keeps on mentioning my name in relation to spot-fixing stories.; dentonic akmal

    hehehehe… coz media loves ur smile…

  5. #5 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 7:07 PM

    Tom

    If you think about the Misbah mindset, imagine if one day lady luck runs out and Pakistani bowlers concede 300 runs in some ODI.

    You will be counting on Hafeez to give an extra ordinary start and Younis will have to play out of his skin. Afrdi might play a rare knock. But is Pakistan ready for such a situation? Younis has lost most of his class anyway. It gives all batsmen a licence to play slowly and play for their averages because captain Misbah will do the same.

    Sooner or later they will concede 300. Dilshan and Jayaweredene might strike form soon, you never know.

  6. #6 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 7:08 PM

    Tom

    Do you think K Akmal and Riaz will be investigated?

    I mean there was some kind of announcement recently, but do you think it will end up happening?

    Wonder if they will look into that series where K Akmal did not run out a batsman when he could have.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 12, 2011 - 7:20 PM

    The reason Kamran is speaking now is because, Sarfaraz is playing in the ODI’s and as long as his bhaiyya AdaNaan was playing in test matches, he was silent. He knows that Sarfaraz is not a very good keeper or a batsman and sooner or later he will be exposed so, he thinks he has got a chance to make a comeback.

    Zulqarnain ka tou Zul Jalal ho gaya! Meaning that’s the last word of Pakistan’s national anthem…………. Saya-e-Khuda Zul Jalal., like wise that is THEEND of his career……………….Kamran ka bhee moo kala ho aur he should be sent on a tour to Pakastan on the back of a donkey!

    I wrote THEEND above and believe it or not long time ago in Isb/Pindi I went to see a movie and when it ended……… like most movies in the end when they saw THE END on the suckreen………….. almost every single paindoo in the cinema hall read it very loudly……. THEEND, Perhaps they still don’t know it is The End.

  8. #8 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 7:24 PM

    Tom

    Andy Flower has a point but Test cricket is dying in the subcontinent really. In England and in Australia, although T20 is becoming increasingly popular, Tests still have an audience.

    The situation with Pakistan is double edged. Due to their unpredictability fans are always interested in their performances. The PCB can revive Test cricket if they want to but they have to induct attacking players and get rid of Misbah and Malik etc.

    Indian fans are more keen on Tests than Pakistanis despite IPL. Why? Because the likes Sehwag and Tendulkar can provide entertainment.

    If Afridi was playing Tests in Pakistan there would be more audience.

    ICC should instruct the cricket boards to keep 1 or 2 attacking batsman in every team so that people feel attracted to the format.

    In fact Tom- this is radical but I will go so far as to suggest that in Tests a team should be penalised if its run rate falls below 2.5 runs per over after a session of 10 overs. Meaning, every session of 10 overs must produce at least 25 runs, otherwise the opposition will be awarded 50 runs or something like that. If it is the 4th innings then the chasing team has to chase 50 more runs, as a penalty.

    This will get the Misbahs sweating.

  9. #9 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 12, 2011 - 7:31 PM

    Good points raised in this thread, but what is MF Ijaz Butt doing here?

  10. #10 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 8:40 PM

    KS

    you want pakistan to lose ( hehehe…)

    i agree with your depiction

    but contigency plans are never devised in pakistan. even indians havent thought about a backup batting and bowling line up.

    if you notice, indians will have some serious issues when 3-4 bpalyers will simultaneously retire.

    stodge is being damn lucky and the fact that he wasnt supposed to dfeliver has worked in his favor as he got a pressure free job- a job which is one of the toughest in sport specially in subcontinent which is being cricket captain.

    about the 300 thing, I still feel 1-2 players may play a ch2 cameo ie 80 in 50 balls sort of knock and stodge may still conquer 300. you have to consider the fact thaty SL has a lousy bowling attack and nexty is england who get mauled on these sort of mud bowls like in india. so stodge is toooo luckyyyyyyy……

  11. #11 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 8:42 PM

    ijaz butt wants to show his good b**t here ( hehe..)

    iam surprised he’s quiet- he should say look i got a super duper leader for you, better than afridi.

  12. #12 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 8:43 PM

    KS

    what u make of this ch2 akmal statement. is he being smart or her feels his turn isc next?

  13. #13 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 8:50 PM

    Ks

    iam a little concerned about Australia. there batting is looking suspect and ponting may retire. we might see now sa-eng contests for 1st slot.

    BTW, i think andy flower is playing a double game. I understand his concerns about odis but i also feel he knows england dont have the potential to win odis overseas. so he wants more focus for tests.

    but still overall hes a good chap and thats my assessment which may be too far fetched.

  14. #14 by tom on November 12, 2011 - 8:56 PM

    KS

    u say u akmal shouldnt have been admonished?

    well wasnt he over praised? youngsta beauty!

    didnt he screw discipline when feigned injury for his brother and refused keeping!

    we dont need scums like him. a leeser ability player wityh dedication is much better

  15. #15 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 10:33 PM

    Tom

    This is all the more reason for Tendulkar to make that 100th century and call it quits, so that Kohli, Raina or someone else can experience Test cricket. They will produce someone who scores many runs (like SRT) and they might also get players like Dravid. There will be a lull because, at Test level you don’t become like SRT, Dravid or Laxman within a few months. They will have to play for a few years but this is natural. They produce lots of batsmen so I don’t think this will be a problem. Someone like Zaheer Khan though is a once in a life time bowler for them.

  16. #16 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 10:40 PM

    Tom

    About Australia, I think the reason why you are concerned is because not only have they declined, South Africa and England have raised their game WHILE Australia have been declining.

    If you are talking Test cricket I guess there was bound to be a dip following the exit of McGrath, Warne, Hayden and Gilchrist. They have decent fast bowlers and their batting is also OK, they just need a good spinner. I don’t think their batting is weak as such- Hussey, Clarke and Watson are good and Haddin and Hughes can score too. As far as Ponting is concerned he has suffered poor form before, if age is getting to him that’s a different issue.

    South Africa will be losing Kallis soon- he is known to be very fit but he is 35+ now and it must be difficult bowling and batting in Tests.

    It will be strange man, very soon we will be observing cricket without Ponting and Hussey, Kallis, SRT, Dravid and Laxman. Damn, lol three of these are already considered to be amongst the best batsmen of all time!!!

  17. #17 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 10:47 PM

    Tom

    Misbah allegedly took part in oath taking. There might have been others who did similar things. I think we should assume all of them have skeletons in their closet and the spot fixing trio were just unlucky that a sting operation caught them.

    U Akmal is better than Asad Shafiq, Malik and Misbah. I think his worth to the team is much more than the 30 odd runs he makes. This is because of the presence of negative players. Whatever Akmal’s agenda might be, he scores quickly and that is something Pakistan desperately needs.

    Maybe he is not needed so much in this particular series because Razzaq and Afridi are batting in the lower order, but he is needed in Test cricket.

  18. #18 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 10:51 PM

    Tom

    K Akmal’s assets were recently scrutinised by the PCB or something- or he was investigated in some capacity following this inquiry where Aaqib Javed said that the team management found his behaviour in one match very suspicious (the same match where he didn’t run a batsman out when he had the ball in his gloves).

    I think he is talking about that incident.

    Anyway someone should conduct a detailed inquiry into his activities. If he is found to be a match fixer then it will take the comedy away from his constant catch drops which will be a shame because one could laugh at his keeping and his facial expressions.

  19. #19 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 10:54 PM

    Former Australian greats urge Ponting to retire

    FORMER Test greats have called on Ricky Ponting to retire by the end of the summer before he risks being axed by the selectors.

    Ponting is one of at least four players whose Test career will come under the microscope following Australia’s eight-wicket loss to South Africa in the first Test.

    Opener Phil Hughes, misfiring paceman Mitchell Johnson and wicketkeeper Brad Haddin are also feeling the heat, but the pressure on Ponting has become almost suffocating.

  20. #20 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 11:00 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I used Butt’s picture to remind people that he served as PCB Chairman. I don’t want him to be forgotten 😀

  21. #21 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 11:10 PM

    Tendulkar wants bigger sightscreen

    The immense pressure to score his hundredth international century notwithstanding, Sachin Tendulkar was left facing an odd hurdle at the Eden Gardens.

    The low sight screens at the venue, which will host the second Test against West Indies, concerned Tendulkar the most during a training session. The batting maestro eventually requested the ground authorities to raise the height for a better view of the tall West Indies bowlers.

    The Cricket Association of Bengal officials, with whom Tendulkar had a long chat yesterday, said they would cooperate fully with the batting maestro even it meant sacrificing 1500 seats.

  22. #22 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 11:13 PM

    Mohsin happy with players handling of scandal

    DUBAI — Pakistan coach Mohsin Khan on Saturday told AFP he was satisfied with his team’s ability to put behind them the spot-fixing scandal which ended in three of their former team-mates being handed down prison sentences in England.

    Former Test captain Salman Butt and pacemen Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Aamer were sent to prison over their roles in fixing parts of the Lord’s Test against England last year.

    Khan agreed the scandal could have been distracting for his team during their series against Sri Lanka here in the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

    The spot-fixing saga was sad,” Khan told AFP. “I made sure that all the boys should stay away from it mentally and I am glad that the boys responded very well and are performing well.”

    Pakistan won the three-Test series 1-0 and went 1-0 up in the first of five matches by registering an eight wicket win on Friday. The second match will be played in Dubai on Monday.

    Mohsin, 56, said he was satisfied with his team’s performance.

    “I am 90 percent satisfied with the team’s performance and since there is always room for improvement we are looking for that in all the departments of the game,” said Khan, a former opener who is also the current chief selector.

    Khan said the squad had shown responsibility and character.

    “The best thing about this set of players is that they are assuming their responsibilities and they know that playing for the country is the biggest honour for them,” said Khan, who has also been retained as coach for the Bangladesh tour.

  23. #23 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 11:14 PM

    What Mohsin should have said,

    “Players know that playing for their averages is the biggest honour for them”.

  24. #24 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 11:15 PM

    PCB to convince Sri Lanka, India to visit Pakistan

    LAHORE – The Pakistan Cricket Board is assessing different options to bring international teams to Pakistan and is also devising programmes to educate the players, it was learnt Saturday. PCB Chairman Zaka Ashraf said before leaving for the ICC meeting that all-out efforts would be made to bring international cricket back to Pakistan.
    He said that all important measures would be taken to make the players skillful and as part of his future plan he also meet former chairmen of the PCB to take their feedback on ways for the improvement in the working of the board.
    He said everything possible will be done to address the reservations of neighbours like Sri Lanka and India so that they visit Pakistan. “The PCB wanted to see the teams of two countries play on Pakistani grounds,” he maintained.

  25. #25 by Aatma-hathya on November 12, 2011 - 11:36 PM

    Tom

    I was forced to watch the Indian movie, “Bodyguard” today (since you mentioned recently that you used to watch them).

    It is pathetic.

    It is tragic that such trashy cinema is worshipped in India.

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 13, 2011 - 4:28 AM

    Mohsin is 90% satisfied? Is it because he left the rest for Mr. 10% ?

    This is Tendulkar’s dramay baazi about the height of the sight screen, he has done this before so many times especially when he had this elbow injury and was not scoring. Now, he is doing the same again because he is not scoring and gives the reason that he is a short guy! There are so many short guys like him for e.g., Asad Shafiq, Akmal brothers, Hanif Mohammad the little master, even NZ’s McCullum is about the same height as Tendulkar, in the past there was a WI player called Gus Logie and so many more that I don’t remember the names and they never complained about the height of the sight screen, players do ask for moving it right or left or asking people to stay away from the screen but no one, literally NO ONE ever complained about the height of the sight screen.

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 13, 2011 - 4:38 AM

    khansahab

    Its been years since I have not watched any Indian movie and decades that I have not watched any Pakistani movie. Even the Indian movies that I have watched were at someone else’s house i.e., when you go to visit them and they are watching a movie and ask you to join them which in my opinion is very rude, so most of the time I have watched Indian movies in bits and bobs. TV set is a social evil especially if it is kept in the drawing room or in the family room. Our TV is in the basement and I got satellite TV only to watch cricket and since the WC I got it disconnected and did not watch TV since then.

    And, watching TV in someone else’s house especially when they tell you “Aaao, Aaao bahot accha program hai ya acchi movie hai” I really get pissed off because we came to visit YOU and you want us to watch TV? There is a very crude example, it is like you go to a ‘bats’ (chimkadar) house and she won’t ask you to sit because herself she is hanging on a wire or on a rock and will ask you go join her.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 13, 2011 - 5:59 AM

    khansahab …………… this happened in your UK ……… this refers to the fragrance and other discussion we had earlier.

    http://www.fashionist.ca/2011/11/dakota-fannings-oh-lola-ad-for-marc-jacobs-has-been-banned-in-the-uk.html

  29. #29 by Mohammed Munir on November 13, 2011 - 6:06 AM

    Pakistan won the first ODI and it was GREAT.

    Surely, not the most entertaining match to witness, but the end-result is what matters the most for Pakistani fans …. Doesn’t it ❓

    The live atmosphere at the stadium was fantastic, and overtime the seats were almost full. These Sri Lankan fans are more like the West Indians, they keep dancing and singing and have a good time, no matter what. So even when Sri Lanka looses convincingly, they don’t get very passionate and spoil their moods. In fact, there were a lot of female spectators from Sri Lanka (working ladies/ garment industry workers) who kept entertaining the Pakistani fans. 😉

    Some Positives for Pakistan …

    Afridi was back with a bang, and straightaway got the well-deserved MOM award for his superb bowling. Sarfraz (2 stumps, 1 runout & 1 catch) was great behind the wickets. Gul gave a good start with some tight bowling. Hafeez made up for his batting failure with fine bowling performance. Younis Khan was just in great touch and made an effortless run-a-ball 56 notout, while even Imran Farhat could score a 50. 😉

    Misbah … well what can I say about him. I think already enough is being said about Misbah on LS. 😉

    BTW, I was reading PakSpin, and I liked this below comment about Misbah from a Pakistani fan:

    Misbah might not have the best approach but he is the need of time for Pakistan team. We need him for a few years at least … we need stability that only he can provide at the moment.

    How true … 😀

  30. #30 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 9:47 AM

    there was a lot of discussion regarding match winning knocks and ability of certain players to deliver it.

    dawn sheds some light in wake of south africa’s comeback victory

    it was the fourth time smith scored a century in a winning 4th inning run chase- more than anyone else. He also becomes the first player to score 1000 runs in winning chases, avg 85.83

    you can read full article here

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/11/one-of-the-great-comebacks-smith.html

  31. #31 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 9:50 AM

    KS

    at least australians look serious about their future compared to pakistan

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/12/‘australias-humiliation-is-complete’.html

  32. #32 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 9:56 AM

  33. #33 by Mohammed Munir on November 13, 2011 - 11:09 AM

    Below are some of the highlights of the article, “Australias Humiliation is Complete” (Ref. comment no. 31)

    While South Africa celebrated an astonishing victory, the Australian press called for action.

    “Heads will almost certainly roll after a devastating loss in the first Test and it remains to be seen if Mitchell Johnson or Ricky Ponting play the next Test in the wake of the Newlands loss.”

    The Daily Telegraph’s Malcolm Conn singled out former Test skipper Ponting for blame and called for the blooding of new players.

    “It’s time. Ricky Ponting’s mortality has caught up with him,”
    Conn wrote.

    “Some former teammates of Australia’s best batsman after Bradman were right to believe that when he retired from the captaincy earlier this year Ponting should have walked away altogether.”

    “It will be a tough assignment for captain and new selector Michael Clarke to make some ruthless decisions for the sake of Australia’s future. If there’s going to be continuing pain let’s have it with young players on the way up, not fading players on the way down.”

    Erratic paceman Johnson was another in the media’s sights.

    “Johnson got a consolation wicket in the 30th over, but there have to be serious questions about his future,” The Australian said.

    “The left-hander has failed to take a wicket in seven of his last 17 innings and is averaging more than 50 runs per wicket since the Perth Test (against England last December).”

    The Sydney Morning Herald’s Peter Roebuck said that even if the Proteas deserved praise the Australians could not escape censure.

    “It is one thing to lose a match, another to throw it away,” he said.

    “Already they have plenty to think about, not least their supposed strike bowler (Johnson), greatest batsman (Ponting), batting order and gloveman (Brad Haddin),” he said.

    “It’s hard to change a team on tour but as the ceremonies were completed, the sound of sharpening knives echoed around the ground.”

    PS: Seems like Ponting and Mitchell Johnson’s career will end more like Ghaddafi. 😉

  34. #34 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:02 PM

    Tom

    Mr Farouqi doesn’t only echo mine but also your and JAK’s sentiments.

    Well written.

    Salahuddin Ahmed also wrote along those lines.

  35. #35 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:03 PM

    Tom

    Smith is a very valuable player for SA but generally when openers score well the team tends to win.

    Good starts are just such a huge boost for the middle order.

  36. #36 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:04 PM

    Javed A Khan

    It is good that the ASA in UK is taking action against advertisements that worry the public.

    I personally don’t feel that ad is offensive, although the girl should have been a little older.

  37. #37 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:05 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I also feel it is offensive when people expect you to come to their house and watch TV programmes.

    But, sometimes you want them to watch TV in your house too when there is nothing to talk about and “mizaaj nahi milta” 😉

  38. #38 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:09 PM

    Tom/Munir sahab

    It is good that Australians are complaining about some of their key players.

    In the past this has brought a turnaround in the form of players like Ponting and Johnson. There is no way Johnson is finished but one does wonder whether Ponting’s time has come.

    I hope that he can set a precedent for some other players to retire too. Dravid was good on the England tour but that aside, even he has not been at his best for some time and neither have Tendulkar or Laxman.

  39. #39 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:10 PM

    Butt, Asif Want To Serve Jail Sentences In Pakistan

    LONDON: Uncomfortable with the attention they are receiving from fellow inmates, Pakistani cricketers Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif want to be transferred to a jail in their own country to serve their sentences for being involved in the spot-fixing scam.

    According to a report in ‘The Independent’, the cricketers, who were convicted of conspiracy to cheat and conspiracy to accept corrupt payments, “have asked to be returned to their home country, to serve the remainder of their sentence.”

    Former Pakistan Test captain Butt and pacer Asif have “told their lawyers that they would prefer to be sent to a jail in Pakistan, because the attention they are receiving from fellow inmates is leading to fears for their safety. A high court application is expected to be made within the next eight weeks.”

  40. #40 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:12 PM

    Surely Butt and Asif have more to fear from inmates in Pakistan jails as opposed to in British jails?

    A lot of inmates in British prisons are Pakistani anyway.

  41. #41 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:14 PM

    This commentator and journalist has committed suicide. He wrote for Cricinfo if I can remember correctly:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/current/story/540275.html

    I think this might have something to do with match fixing. Maybe he has inside information and was being threatened by mafias.

  42. #42 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:21 PM

    LOL @ this article:

    Misbah-ul-Haq: Another Pakistani phenomenon

    By Salik Aziz

    If the last day of the last test match against Sri Lanka was a race and Misbah was a contestant, I can bet my house Misbah would have never won the way he was batting. In fact, he would have never reached the finish line at all, waiting for the referee to call it a day not realizing that other contestants have won the race, gone home, had kids, got old and some of them died too.

    For people who find it an exaggeration, here is what significant people have to say:

    A mathematician:

    “I have spent 20 mins and 49 seconds to come up with a theorem to explain the phenomenon, Misbah. Hence, I named it threw-him Misbah.”

    The theorem states:

    “Let X be Misbah, let Y be a loss, and let Z be a draw and if you feel like having it, let W be a win (however, it is non-existent as theorem will proceed). So, if X>0, then no matter how close you get to W, you’ll end up with Z, and if your previous value was a W then the laws of physics will have to be re-written to result into a W. With rigorous calculations, the time required other than the 5 days of a test match, to win in such a situation is:

    Runs required/X = infinity.

    The above condition will always remain infinity; scientists are considering Misbah as an infinity-resultant constant in their equations.”

    Physicists:

    Physicists all over the world will sit together on December 25 with Santa Claus, to share Christmas gifts and ponder on declaring Misbah as an opposition to speed of light. The idea is that when such a high speed entity is so widely recognized, the scientific society is bound to acknowledge an equally slow entity named Misbah.

    A Psychologist:

    “I feel Misbah has some I-will-draw-this disorder, “says Dr. Snow White. “Research is on-going, and we have found it to be contagious, I think we’ll draw a conclusion soon.” “OH! Did I say ‘draw’? I am infected!”

    Shahid Afridi:

    “I’ll choke to death if I play like this, I’ll die anyway if I watch him play like this,” said Shahid Afridi with a blue face. “See I am choking even if I talk about it, there are reasons why I retired from test cricket again.”

    Parents:

    Our children have stopped playing ‘Test Match 2011’, they say there is Misbah in it, he doesn’t get out and he doesn’t let either team win,” said the distressed parents. “We hate him!”

    “We hate him more!” said the displeased children.

    People in Sharjah:

    “God if it was to be a draw, why did You stop the rain?” complained an Arab. “It drizzled after 765 years and it stopped just to watch Misbah draw the test match anyway? This is gross, we should not have hosted the match after 10 years, it jinxed the rain!”

    [Note: The characters and stories are a work of fiction, except for Misbah and his extra ordinary characteristics.]

  43. #43 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:29 PM

    “(Current) Pakistani side is the best since the time of the 2 W’s………..”: Marvan Atapattu

    Jhoot boley kawwa katey………..

    Actually the Pakistani side is nothing special Marvan, your SL side is the worst since early 90’s.

  44. #44 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 12:36 PM

    I grew up hating India: Imran

    Former cricketer Imran Khan said he grew up “hating India” due to the bloodshed and violence associated with the Partition but his views changed after he toured India to play cricket. “I grew up hating India

    because I grew up in Lahore and there was so much the massacres of 1947, so much bloodshed and anger.

    “But as I started touring India, I got such love and friendship there that all this disappeared,” Khan said in an interview to Karan Thapar for CNN-IBN’s ‘Devil’s Advocate’ programme to be aired on Sunday night.

    “As time passed, I realised that there’s so much we have a similar history, there’s so much in culture that’s so similar compared to Western countries.

    “There’s so much we have in common and above all, there is so much the people of the two countries (can) benefit from if we have a civilised relationship,” he added.

    Khan said if his Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf party came to power in the next general election, he would do his utmost to improve relations between the two countries.

    “I can give my best shot. I can fight to the last ball. We can only try. Success is sometimes not in our hands, it is in the hands of the almighty. So I can say that I will give it my best shot,” he said.

    Khan said he prayed to God to allow him to work for better India-Pakistan relations “because I, for one, have received so much love in India”.

    Asked if this vision would guide the relationship with India, he said, “Absolutely, I have no prejudice against any country, and more specifically, India.”

  45. #45 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 1:21 PM

    anybody interested in playing ” Kabadi.. kabadi.. kabadii ..”

    http://www.geo.tv/11-13-2011/88798.htm

  46. #46 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 1:24 PM

    KS

    khan has also said that army and ISI will also be under his control if he becomes PM.

    i think either he’s gone nuts or its just a populist naara to garner more votes. I think later seems more true.

  47. #47 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 1:38 PM

    KS

    Lol @ theories about misbah

    perhaps misbaah should read this and feel he has some utrility!

    For a long time there was doubt with acrimony among the beasts as to whether the Hare or the Tortoise could run the swifter. Some said the Hare was the swifter of the two because he had such long ears, and others said the Tortoise was the swifter because anyone whose shell was so hard as that should be able to run hard too. And lo, the forces of estrangement and disorder perpetually postponed a decisive contest.
    But when there was nearly war among the beasts, at last an arrangement was come to and it was decided that the Hare and the Tortoise should run a race of five hundred yards so that all should see who was right.
    “Ridiculous nonsense!” said the Hare, and it was all his backers could do to get him to run.
    “The contest is most welcome to me,” said the Tortoise, “I shall not shirk it.”
    O, how his backers cheered.Feeling ran high on the day of the race; the goose rushed at the fox and nearly pecked him. Both sides spoke loudly of the approaching victory up to the very moment of the race.
    “I am absolutely confident of success,” said the Tortoise.
    But the Hare said nothing, he looked bored and cross. Some of his supporters deserted him then and went to the other side, who were loudly cheering the Tortoise’s inspiriting words. But many remained with the Hare.
    “We shall not be disappointed in him,” they said.
    “A beast with such long ears is bound to win.”
    “Run hard,” said the supporters of the Tortoise.
    And “run hard” became a kind of catch-phrase which everybody repeated to one another. “Hardshell and hard living. That’s what the country wants. Run hard,” they said. And these words were never uttered but multitudes cheered from their hearts.
    Then they were off, and suddenly there was a hush.
    The Hare dashed off for about a hundred yards, then he looked round to see where his rival was.
    “It is rather absurd,” he said, “to race with a Tortoise.” And he sat down and scratched himself.
    “Run hard! Run hard!” shouted some.
    “Let him rest,” shouted others. And “let him rest” became a catch-phrase too.
    And after a while his rival drew near to him.
    “There comes that damned Tortoise,” said the Hare, and he got up and ran as hard as could be so that he should not let the Tortoise beat him.
    “Those ears will win,” said his friends. “Those ears will win; and establish upon an incontestable footing the truth of what we have said.”
    And some of them turned to the backers of the Tortoise and said: “What about your beast now?”
    “Run hard,” they replied. “Run hard.”
    The Hare ran on for nearly three hundred yards, nearly in fact as far as the winning-post, when it suddenly struck him what a fool he looked running races with a Tortoise who was nowhere in sight, and he sat down again and scratched.
    “Run hard. Run hard,” said the crowd, and “Let him rest.”
    “Whatever is the use of it?” said the Hare, and this time he stopped for good. Some say he slept.
    There was desperate excitement for an hour or two, and then the Tortoise won.
    “Run hard. Run hard,” shouted his backers.
    “Hard shell and hard living: that’s what has done it.” And then they asked the Tortoise what his achievement signified, and he went and asked the Turtle.
    And the Turtle said, “It is a glorious victory for the forces of swiftness.”
    And then the Tortoise repeated it to his friends. And all the beasts said nothing else for years. And even to this day, “a glorious victory for the forces of swiftness” is a catch-phrase in the house of the snail.
    And the reason that this version of the race is not widely known is that very few of those that witnessed it survived the great forest-fire that happened shortly after. It came up over the weald by night with a great wind. The Hare and the Tortoise and a very few of the beasts saw it far off from a high bare hill that was at the edge of the trees, and they hurriedly called a meeting to decide what messenger they should send to warn the beasts in the forest.
    They sent the Tortoise!

    By lord Dunsany

    So stodge; stick to your guns, u r man of the crisis.

  48. #48 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 1:51 PM

    Congrtatulations to Aisam and bopaana for winning ATP paris open. A great achievement for players from sub continent specially pakistan where Tennis is overshadowed by cricket and hockey and facilities are as good as zero. Wish both of you success for London finals next week.

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/11/45/Paris-Sunday-Doubles.aspx

  49. #49 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 1:56 PM

    So KS

    no matter how much you criticize stodge, it is a Glorious victory for forces of Swiftness .

    hehehe…

  50. #50 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 1:57 PM

    Tom

    Well it is claims like that which lead people to say that he is working on orders of the army and intelligence against so called populist parties like N League.

  51. #51 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:01 PM

    KS

    agreed with ur assessment! he’s their guy and if thats the case IK will win. His victory for pakistan will be like

    Asmaan se gira, khajur mein atka

    ironically fort pakistan, not for him

  52. #52 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 2:08 PM

    Tom

    If Shah Mahmood joins him then it will be a breakthrough for PTI.

    Then it surely means Imran means business.

    People believe he is the only guy who can deliver the change they are looking for.

  53. #53 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:10 PM

    KS

    people are fool

    thasts a universal rule and u pretty well know that sapecially in subcontinent where sentiments run very high…

  54. #54 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 2:10 PM

    Tom

    Politics seemingly can’t be practised without sacrificing your principles.

    Look at what Imran is now doing. Some controversial Q League members are joining him, he has had to denounce religious extremism recently (something which he has never done before), he is still anti MQM but in due course he might have to forge an alliance or some kind of understanding with them.

    If he wants to campaign in Karachi then he will have to adopt a soft stance on MQM.

  55. #55 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:19 PM

    KS

    if u recall, i posted mr hussein’s remarks about his rally where he praised his rally.

    IMO, kiyasni is a very shrewed general and basically a set up is being conceived which would be democratic in appearance but military in operation.

    perhaps, a policy is being envisaged in context of china as a super power and US as a former superpower.

    one thing is for sure- pakistan is about to venture in unchartered territory and anything can happen.

  56. #56 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:22 PM

    It looks finally army wants to gewt rid of ppp and pml n and thats how the political landscape is evolving.

    if u check out international news these days, IK is getting decent coverage which never happened bfore.

  57. #57 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 2:23 PM

    Tom

    Do you mean that Musharraf is coming back and will have some role to play in Pakistan by your point about a set up which will be military in operation?

  58. #58 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 2:27 PM

    Tom

    I hope this buries the argument about the so called army interference in Pakistani democracy that has supposedly created this situation in Pakistan today.

    PPP formed a strong government for 3 years and ruined the country.

    Musharraf’s time was much more prosperous and there was low corruption.

  59. #59 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:29 PM

    KS

    mush is no longer a military guy. the day he shed his uniform, his military career was over.

    you have to understand what has forced him to leave pakistan. he cant win from overseas. he doesnt have the clout of BB or altaf hussein- leaders who won even win while they were in exile.

    His nemesis is judge iftikhwaar and hes leaving in 2013. mush says hell come back in 2012- lets see.

    still he may forge an electoral alliance with some political group and make his presence feel.

    But I know it wont be ganja and even it shouldnt be zarda.

    Whethet it will be IK, i dont know. MQM never lends its seats to any party so it cant be adjustment on karachi seats. they may support him in rest of Pakistan.

  60. #60 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:41 PM

    KS

    U misunderstood my argument. IOm not supporting army intervention. What im saying is that what looks likely to happen

    we have discussed mush bfor and his term- its buried and no point in having a refuneral.

    if you realize, what the army is doing is booting out these two via ballot, bcoz overthrows make them victims and after sometime they get public sympathy- phenomena which occurred with zia and mush.

    kiyani has benefit of hindsight. he knows a martial law will give these parties another lease of life. let them die in the ballot box, not in GHQ.

    once these 2 are gone ,then a new show will start. these 2 have been in power since 1970ish so it will be a new ball game.

  61. #61 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 2:44 PM

    Tom

    Why is Imran making an alliance with Jamaat e Islami?

    I don’t understand this. He was already popular with religious parties without having made this alliance.

    I don’t see the benefit of this unless the JI don’t oppose him in those seats where they can have some support. It looks like a KP specific alliance.

    It will upset his secular supporters in KHI and LHR.

  62. #62 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:50 PM

    KS

    he needs pathan votes ( ur pathan rite hehe…)

    how can u win if u dont have KP as a state.

    mind u , its all too early- i may be completelyyyy wrongggg….

    JI looks to bag seats in KP as ANP has floundered.

  63. #63 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:55 PM

    One thing for sureeee…

    political landscape of pk is about to undergo a drastic changeee…..

    specially in wake of america’s demise as world superpower; it doesnt seem coincidental, does it?

  64. #64 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 2:56 PM

    Anyway lets hope whatever happens happens good for pakis and musalims

  65. #65 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 2:58 PM

    Tom

    Bhai hum peechay sey Pathan hain leken U.P key hain

    Shair o shayari sey shagaf, paan ka ehtaram or lucknavi tehzeeb waheen sey aayi hai hamary andar

  66. #66 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 3:00 PM

    Tom

    Yeah the political landscape is changing and Imran is at the forefront.

    I don’t consider him to be a Pathan by the way, same way that I will understand why someone might not consider me to be a Pathan.

  67. #67 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 3:02 PM

    Tom

    Where were your parents born?

    😀

    I am phrasing this in such a way because this is a common question in Pakistan to establish someone’s ethnicity, especially in a multi ethnic environment like KHI.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 13, 2011 - 3:30 PM

    khansahab, in this world everyone is a Mohajir, if you believe in Islam it says this life in this world is temporary. In reality if you look how people react with others is weird. For eg. here in the Canada and the USA, except for the native Indians who are known as the first nation everyone else is an immigrant. Either he is from France, England, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, Holland, Italy, Turkey, Middle Eastern Arab countries, sub-continent of India and Pakistan, the Chinese and Japanese or Africans they are all immigrants. Those who came 4 t0 5 hundred years ago claim that they are the sons of the soil, which is a rubbish claim. The first nation guys have been pushed back in the wilderness and they are no more in limelight, in fact the media reports that they are drug addicts and glue sniffers etc., with no education. If you push them towards the North Pole where no one can live except for them what else do you expect from them? Produce Einstein, Newton, Bach, Beethoven or Wolfgang Amedius Mozart ?

    When in Karachi we were Pathans, whenever we went back to Peshawar even on a short visit or to meet relatives they said, Oh yae tou Karachi kay hain (because we can speak Urdu very well) when we went to Dubai, we were Kharjees and in Canada we are immigrants. Even our Prophet was a Mohajir in Medina so there is no big deal in being whatever. Rehnay ko ghar nahee hai …… sara jahaan hamara ! 😀

  69. #69 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 3:36 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Everyone is a Mohajir but not everyone says, “Keranchi” and “Plat” for the word “plate” but “Flate” for the word, “flat”.

    😀

    Only joking.

  70. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 13, 2011 - 6:44 PM

    khansahab

    kehnay ko Keranchi walay Palate bhee kehtay hain aur Peeetrole pump, aur BeeReej for Bridge bhee kehtay hain. Baat inn baataon ki nahee thee, baat tou sirf apkay sath jo rawaiyya hai uski thee.

  71. #71 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 6:50 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I’ve also heard “palate” and also “bilue” for the colour, “blue”. That “bilue” really made me laugh.

    Educated people also say, “Keranchi” much like how educated Punjabis also say, “Sport” for “support” and vice versa.

  72. #72 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 6:53 PM

    In fact:

    Biloo: Blue

    Gireen: Green

    Ye lo: Yellow

    Raid: Red

    Bilack: Black

    Birown: Brown

  73. #73 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 6:56 PM

    Zulm o tashaddud ki nayee dastaan…………..

    CM takes notice of torture on boy, 2 suspended

    LAHORE: Two police officials of Sabzazar police station blamed for torture on a boy have been suspended after Geo News broke the story.

    Chief Minister Punjab Shahbaz Sharif also took notice of the report regarding torture on a 15-year-old boy by Lahore police and instructed Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Ahmad Raza Tahir to present a detailed report into the incident.

    Lahore police tortured the boy after arresting him in connection with kidnapping children and later released him declaring innocent when he fainted.

  74. #74 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 13, 2011 - 7:12 PM

    To add to that list,, actually Ye lo is also pronounced as ELL- LO and Mayroon bhee hai.

    The best is, in our neighbourhood we had a friend and he told us that when his brother was on the death bed he was dictating his will to the notary and since he had a lot of money, the main chunk was being given to this brother so the notary became suspicious and told him, Bhai jao tum SARGAKEES ko bulao, mai tou yae weeel nai likhta aur na Uproove keronga, kya pata iski zehni kaifiyat theek na ho, ya tum nay isko ifluenza kia ho? Jnaaab phirr dhoond dhoond ker SARGAHEES ko aakhir laye, tab weeel mukamul hoiee.

    Sargakees = psychiatrist.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 13, 2011 - 7:31 PM

    In Dubai one of our friend’s father was from Bangalore and we used to ask him, Uncle how do you spell minimum? He used to say

    YUM
    EYE
    YUM
    YOU
    YUM…………….. minimum.

    This was a regular feature and the poor old man never thought why we used to ask him?

    Based on this there was another one which is someone else’s creation, How did the Malabari spell MOON?

    YUM
    WO
    YET YANADAR “WO”
    YENNNu …………………………………….moon.

    YA eeee
    DUBBUL YELL
    WO
    DUBLOO ………………………………. ELL-LO (yellow) And, PYAAPUR for paper.

  76. #76 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 7:49 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Yeah, the Tamils and Telugus have really complicated pronunciations.

  77. #77 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 8:07 PM

    It seems that language is being discussed here

    can anyone help him? he thinks urdu aint a lashkari lingo

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/13/language-urdu-and-the-borrowed-words.html

    BTW, KS my parents were of indian origin.

  78. #78 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 8:14 PM

    I did some reaerch and found this link where more turkish words are from urdu

    http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers18%5Cpaper1737.html

    It seems judge sahab either is mistaken or we might hear as new theory about creation of urdu.

  79. #79 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 8:32 PM

    We have talked a lot aboutbbatsmen but what about bowlers.

    8 greats mention their favorites.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/539487.html

  80. #80 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 9:43 PM

    Tom/Javed A Khan

    What would be your 15 man Test squad based on players who have played in the last 20 years?

    Mine would be:

    Openers: Sehwag, Hayden, Smith

    Middle Order: Dravid, Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting

    Spinners: Warne, Saqlain

    Fast bowlers: McGrath, Waqar, Steyn, Wasim

    Keepers: Gilchrist, Boucher

    I have selected these players based on utility in Tests. Although I have not seen much of Ian Healy, reportedly he was an excellent wicket keeper but I think Boucher may be almost as good. Gilchrist was also a very good keeper.

    If I was to list an XI out of them it would be:

    Sehwag
    Hayden (here I think right left hand combination is important, otherwise Smith is probably good enough to replace either these players)

    Dravid (better pressure player than Ponting, who is more an attacker rather than pressure player)
    Tendulkar (I know most of you will not include him but I have only included him because of his good record against all teams)
    Lara (gets the nod ahead of Ponting because of his match winning record)

    Boucher (being selected simply because of his keeping)

    Warne
    Saqlain
    (no brainer- have to include 2 spinners)

    Wasim
    Waqar (personal favourite)
    McGrath

    I didn’t include Lee and Akhtar because Steyn I feel is better than them. Didn’t include Ambrose and Walsh because McGrath and Akram I feel are better. Didn’t include Bond because he only played 18 Tests and I feel his career was too small.

    I didn’t include Kallis because his record is not as consistent as Tendulkar’s.

    Didn’t include Dhoni because his keeping and batting are not as good as Gilchrist’s. Didn’t include Sangakkara because his batting or keeping ability is not as good as the players already mentioned here.

    The captain of the XI would be Lara- don’t want Wasim to captain because of the question mark over his integrity. I suppose I could have included Ambrose who has a better bowling average and strike rate than Wasim but Wasim was good with old and new ball whereas Ambrose was more of a new ball bowler.

    I don’t like Murali’s action so he is not there. Swann I feel needs to dominate a little more to replace Saqlain. Kumble was very unusual and I don’t feel he was better than Saqlain- Harbhajan is good at times but again, not better than Saqlain.

  81. #81 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 9:45 PM

    According to latest reports,IK plans to organise a rally in karachi.

  82. #82 by tom on November 13, 2011 - 9:54 PM

    My test eleven
    haynes,smith (openers)
    richards,dravid,s.waugh,bradman (middle order)
    imran khan (all rounder)
    gilchrist (wk)
    mcgrath,steyn,warne (bowlers)
    jonty rhods (12 th man)

  83. #83 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 10:07 PM

    Tom

    I note your Test XI but I was wondering about the last 20 yrs.

    A little bit after the Haynes and Viv Richards era.

  84. #84 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 13, 2011 - 10:14 PM

    I have just read the comments and the subject of Urdu language and how it came into existence is very interesting and I will definitely read that article and will get back to you guys, but right now I have to go out to meet someone.

  85. #85 by Aatma-hathya on November 13, 2011 - 11:26 PM

    Since September 2010 Pakistani batsmen have had the slowest strike rates in the world in Test cricket.

    In terms of centuries scored by batsmen they are the 2nd worst since Sep 2010, after West Indies, when compared with those teams that have played 10 or more Tests.

    Pakistani batsmen have faced the most dot balls.

    Strangely enough their batsmen have had the highest batting averages if you disregard England and South Africa.

    This means that those batsmen who are facing the most dot balls are also remaining not out.

    MISBAH UL HAQ is therefore the key reason behind these stats.

    More details on this webpage:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/539958.html

  86. #86 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 1:09 AM

    KS, on many forums Pakistan’s slow batting is being criticised. Its now upto ch2 commentators to say it on primetime tv like waqpa and rajha so that stodgy gets presurd to changs this approach.

  87. #87 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 1:26 AM

    Wel,rplace bradman with kp, haynes with hayden and viv with kallis.

  88. #88 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 2:12 AM

    Well, this blog is critcal of stodg but younus says its the best hes playd and praises waqqa

    http://www.samaa.tv/details.aspx?ID=38875

  89. #89 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 3:08 AM

    tom

    ur samaa tv link has an error it does not open

  90. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 3:11 AM

    khansahab

    The stats that you have posted from cricinfo by S Rajesh.

    Although there is not much difference between Dravid and Misbah’s strike rate, but Dravid has played more pressure innings and scored 6 centuries in that period whereas, Misbah has scored only one. And, that’s what makes Dravid a much better batsman than Misbah.

  91. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 4:23 AM

    I would like to address the issue of Urdu Language which DAWN’s Dr. S. M. Anwer has written with so much detail and authority and believes that Urdu is not the language of the Lashkar or the Army! He is trying to take a few words from Hindi especially the alphabets that join or connect with other alphabets to make a word and create a different sound and they are” KA, KHA, GA, GHA, NA, PA, PHA, BA, BHA MA ETC….. which is Hindi derived from its mother language Sanskrit.

    Zaheer Uddin Mohammad Babur the first Mogul emperor came to India after conquering it in 1526 and the Moguls ruled till 1857. The Moghul Army was comprising of people from Central Asia (they speak Persian Darree and even Russian), Turkey, Persia, Arabia mostly Hadarmooth (Yemeni) and in India, the locals used to speak milder version of Sanskrit called Hindi, only the upper class Brahmins used to speak pure and Kathin Sanskrit. So, when the Army of Moguls were stationed in Delhi the were already talking Urdu which was in the evolving state and obviously they also had to deal with the local people, they added Hindi words also and eventually Urdu developed as a language. Its life is only 600 years but, it is rich in poetry and prose because of Persian and Arabic. Turkish words are also there but, because the local population was in majority they kept more day to day spoken Hindi like Hisaab for GaNith Shastar which has about a dozen Vedic Sutras and Urdu flourished more because it was easy and the rulers and the army were speaking Persian and Urdu that made it obligatory for the masses to speak the new language which after all is not so different from Hindi.

    To say Urdu is a borrowed language means nothing because all languages are borrowed. Initially they have a few borrowed words and then a few more are borrowed, a few new ones are created from slang to words and that is how languages emerge which is normal. In English they have no word for Curry so they call it Curry actually it is KUDHEE the one we make from Besan with pakoray in it. Now a days all Goras use the word MANTRA, Guru, Karma. kebab, naan, Tandoor etc. Their word for the Naval Chief Admiral is from Arabic and it is Amir ul Baher (Chief of the Naval Fleet).

    The French were very particular about not including foreign words in French actually had hundreds of English words in it since ages. Two decades ago in France to say “Have a good week-end” they used to say ” Bon fait sumaine.” not any more they all say good week-end. Parking was Stationment, now everyone says Parking.

    The word Badshah is Persian and it means, Pa de Shah, means Shah kay paaon rekhnay ki jaga
    The word Pa Khana doesn’t mean shit, it means Paon rekhnay ki jaga, because under neath was a hole but on the sides there were slightly high stones to keep your feet and sit UKROO aur farigh ho jao..
    The word Pesh Aaab….. doesn’t mean piss or urine, It means Paani aagay kero………. once again it was a nice way to say urine is filthy so piss ahead of you or away from you.
    Half fry egg is called “Neem Brisht” means half fried.
    There are kebabs with different names like, seekh kebab because they are cooked on a seekh and not SHEESH Kebab which is wrong pronunciation
    There are Shami Kebabs, originally from Shaam or Syria and we all know how they are cooked.
    Iranians make the same Shami kebab but they fill chopped onions, ginger, mint and green pepper + a few drops of lemon inside those kebabs and they call it SHIKAM PUR KEBABS (Shikam = stomach, pur = filled)

    That guy Dr Anwer is bullshitting, first he said Lahore was under the rule of Mahmoud Ghaznavi whereas it was Multan and then he went to Lahore. Secondly saying that Persian links with India are pre BC era.

    What he ought to know is when one trader or a group of traders go to a new country they try to learn a few words of the foreign country and only those who are dealing with them from the home country try to learn the foreign words. BUT here it was a different case, an Army of hundreds of thousands soldiers living in one place trying to communicate, will definitely create a new language.

    Even today not only me but there are a few more people I have encountered from Arab countries, when they are talking to a French guy, in between they stuff Arabic and English words like, I stuff English and Urdu words in French and even a few Arabic words because when you try to learn a new language at an older age it is difficult whereas the children learn fast. Like I have said so many times, Wallahee C’est Vraiment? By God is it true? And, whenever someone says, I want some tea, I want some water and if I want I always end up saying “Moi Aussi” for me too. And, I say Mais Oui……….. (But yes……..) this is a very famous expression here. So, the point is languages evolve and it takes time to develop.

    Someone should ask this Dr. Anwer, If the Persians were coming before Christ then how come there was no Persian or Urdu in India? The first one was Amir Khusroo in 1200 something he started his qawalli and mehfil-e-sama which had 90% of Hindi words, eg. Khusro Nijami kay Bal Bal Jaiyoun………… And, Chaapp Tilak sab cheeni ray MO say Naina Milaye kay…. After Khusro, it was Kabir Das almost 150 years later. even his poetry is full of Hindi Dohay……no one can be sure whether he was a Hindu or a Muslim or a Sikh. But, his Dohay are pure Sanskrit.

    So when did the Urdu language flourished? Wali Dakni was born in 1660 and he is known to be the first URDU POET WITH HIS DEEWAAN. Although it was different from today’s Urdu because he was from Aurangabad which was in Hyderabad Deccan’s riyasat. And he is known as the FIRST SAHEB-E-DIWAAN SHAYER. And, when did Zaheer Uddin Babar came to India? 1526 so, after almost 134 years Wali Dakni was born and he must have started writing when he was at least 20 so, after 150 years of Moghul invasion into India and at least 6 generations must have passed that someone wrote poetry and had a collection of his poetry which is still preserved today.

    So, what is Dr. Anwar talking about? First he should take lessons in history before talking about languages, it shows how naive or how stubborn he is to blab out such crap without doing proper research.

    In Bombay, in almost every small restaurant they call BAIDA for EGG which is Arabic, the Urdu for EGG is Anda.
    They call MAOZ for Banana which is again from Arabic.

    In Pushto a rifle is called TUPAK and you will be surprised to see that in most south indian provinces where they speak, Telugu, Tamil and Malayalee, they also call Tupak for gun. How come? Because when the Moghul Army went to South India there weren’t any guns and they heard Tupak from their enemy and since then it is Tupak.

    After Chinese, Sanskrit is one of the MOST difficult languages in the world and that is why not many people — even the Indian Hindus — have not mastered it so, it is dying, in fact it is already dead like Latin. There are 48 alphabets in Sanskrit excluding the Dravidian expressions whereas in Chinese there are about or more than 10,000 alphabets or characters, logograms. But, Chinese language will remain because more than a Billion people speak Chinese whereas in India there are at least 350 spoken languages official languages may be one per province so, Sanskrit is almost dead.

    I don’t want to give him a point to point reply like a tit for tat because that will take too much time and space and perhaps you may not read it. HOWEVER, IF YOU WISH TO KNOW MORE ABOUT URDU PLEASE READ THIS………Still there are a lot things that I have missed out or deliberately not mentioned here. Waisay bhee ye kaha jaata hai kay:

    Aati hai Urdu Zubaan Aatay Aatay ………… most people don’t understand this but they love GAJALS 😀

    Indian film industry has played a big part in keeping the Urdu language alive through the serious songs and ghazals but now the class of poetry is:

    A…….
    Kya ray?
    Aati kya Khandala?

    Ghar may hon tou “Hum tum ek kamray may band ho aur chaabi kho jaye

    Ghar say baher niklay tou: “ Dono kisi ko nazar nahee ayen, chall dariya may doob jain.

  92. #92 by Mohammed Munir on November 14, 2011 - 5:01 AM

    The Six Affairs …

    The 1st Affair …

    A married man was having an affair with his secretary.

    One day they went to her place and made love all afternoon.

    Exhausted, they fell asleep and woke up at 8 PM.

    The man hurriedly dressed and told his lover to take his shoes outside and
    rub them in the grass and dirt.

    He put on his shoes and drove home.

    ‘Where have you been?’ his wife demanded.

    ‘I can’t lie to you honey,’ he replied, ‘I’m having an affair with my secretary.
    We had sex all afternoon.’

    She looked down at his shoes and said:

    ‘You lying bastard !!
    You’ve been playing golf again!’

    The 2nd Affair …

    A middle-aged couple had two beautiful daughters but always talked about
    having a son.

    They decided to try one last time for the son they always wanted.

    The wife got pregnant and delivered a healthy baby boy.

    The joyful father rushed to the nursery to see his new son.

    He was horrified at the ugliest child he had ever seen.

    He told his wife: ‘There’s no way I can be the father of this baby. Look at the two beautiful daughters I fathered! Have you been fooling around
    behind my back?’

    The wife smiled sweetly and replied: ‘No, not this time!’

    The 3rd Affair …

    A mortician was working late one night.

    He examined the body of Mr. Schwartz, about to be cremated, and made a startling discovery.
    Schwartz had the largest private part he had ever seen!

    ‘I’m sorry Mr. Schwartz,’ the mortician commented, ‘I can’t allow you to be cremated with such an impressive private part. It must be saved for posterity.’

    So, he removed it, stuffed it into his briefcase, and took it home.

    ‘I have something to show you won’t believe,’ he said to his wife, opening his briefcase.

    ‘My God!’ the wife exclaimed, ‘Schwartz is dead!’

    The 4th Affair …

    A woman was in bed with her lover when she heard her husband opening the front door.

    ‘Hurry,’ she said, ‘stand in the corner.’

    She rubbed baby oil all over him, then dusted him with talcum powder.

    ‘Don’t move until I tell you,’ she said. ‘Pretend you’re a statue.’

    ‘What’s this?’ the husband inquired as he entered the room.

    ‘Oh it’s a statue,’ she replied. ‘The Smiths bought one and I liked it so I got one for us, too.’

    No more was said, not even when they went to bed.

    Around 2 AM the husband got up, went to the kitchen and returned with a sandwich and a beer.

    ‘Here,’ he said to the statue, ‘have this. I stood like that for two days at the Smiths and nobody offered me a damned thing.’

    The 5th Affair …

    A man walked into a cafe, went to the bar and ordered a beer.

    ‘Certainly, Sir, that’ll be one cent.’

    ‘One Cent?’ the man exclaimed.

    He glanced at the menu and asked: ‘How much for a nice juicy steak and a bottle of wine?’

    ‘A nickel,’ the barman replied.

    ‘A nickel?’ exclaimed the man. ‘Where’s the guy who owns this place?’

    The bartender replied: ‘Upstairs, with my wife.’

    The man asked: ‘What’s he doing upstairs with your wife?’

    The bartender replied: ‘The same thing I’m doing to his business down here.’

    The 6th Affair …

    Jake was dying. His wife sat at the bedside.

    He looked up and said weakly: ‘I have something I must confess.’

    ‘There’s no need to, ‘his wife replied.

    ‘No,’ he insisted, ‘I want to die in peace. I slept with your sister, your best friend, her best friend, and your mother!’

    ‘I know,’ the wife replied politely. ‘Now just relax and let the poison work.’

  93. #93 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 8:11 AM

    this is the link for younus statement

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=38875&CID=3

  94. #94 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 8:13 AM

    I agree dr anwar’s theory is flawed. what I dont understand is a hi profile newspapaer like Dawn publishes it without any research in its Sunday magazine. thts poor journalism!

  95. #95 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 8:16 AM

    Sardard on track for 100th 100?

    or its goin to be wait,wait….

  96. #96 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 8:22 AM

    well hes failed again!

    whats the problem man

  97. #97 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 8:24 AM

    accordin t to tony greig’s tweets, sardard was out leg bfor but not given abt an hr ago

  98. #98 by Mohammed Munir on November 14, 2011 - 8:55 AM

    Good interview by Younis Khan …

    “This Pakistan team is one of the best I have played in,” said the 34-year-old who hit an unbeaten half-century in the first match.

    Younis praised former coach Waqar Younis for putting the team on the right track.

    “Waqar did a wonderful job before the World Cup,” said Younis of the event where Pakistan lost in the semi-finals against eventual champions India.

    “From that point Waqar stressed on our fitness and we were the only side who had no injuries during the World Cup.”

    Is all ok between Younis Khan and Shahid Afridi ❓

    If I am not wrong, I think even Afridi was one of those guys who formed an anti-Younis group and took oath or something.

    On a similar note, this is what the Sri Lankan batting coach, Marvan Atapattu, thinks about our Captain Misbah, who seems quite impressed by his calmness.

    “He (Misbah) handles things well and is somewhat like Arjuna Ranatunga and he has the patience to wait until he achieves what he wants to.”

  99. #99 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 9:42 AM

    KS

    its been 11 innings and sardard hasnt scored a 100; i dont mean to questio n his greatness but is it sensible to persist with this approach? meanwhile, dravid is too cxonsistent

  100. #100 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 11:05 AM

    Tom

    When Tendulkar is consistent we say he only plays for his records.

    When he is inconsistent we complain why he isn’t consistent.

    Obviously he is fading but assuming 2012 will be his last year of international cricket, his form in 2011 is better than the form of Lara and Inzamam in their last couple of years and he is doing better than Ponting. This is definitely an indicator of greatness. Dravid has had a surge in form this year but before the England series everyone was asking him to retire.

    The 100th century will come, in ODI’s if not in Tests so let us leave him alone now.

    Are we going to moan after every innings where he doesn’t score a 100 now?

    If the point is that is he not invincible then that point is taken because almost everyone is realising that he is fading and retirement is around the corner.

    When he got out on 38 I also chuckled thinking- here we go again, another failure but some common sense needs to prevail. He is nearly finished and a batsman half as good as him would be persuaded to reach that milestone before retirement.

  101. #101 by Mohammed Munir on November 14, 2011 - 11:07 AM

    tom …

    India will keep playing ‘Sir-Dard’ even if he get out on a big fat ZERO, for 11 times more, as long as he reaches his 100/ 100.

    Indian fans are not like Pakistani fans, they love their heros …. remember Kapil …. when they started playing teams like Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka back-to-back, so that Kapil beats the world record.

  102. #102 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 11:24 AM

    KS

    i explicitly stated in my comment about not discussing his greatness.

    its more about common sense- a 38ish batsman not scoring and being played for just a stat.

    warne was dropped when he wasnt performing in West indies, inzy missed miandad’s record by just a few runs but he was forced to retire.

    so there is a trend but it seems that Indian think tank has a different mindset.

    my comment was aimed at that!

    anyway, you made ur point and i made mine.

    u feel he should play till he gets there, i feel selectors should think is this the right time to blood a youngster or wait for a milestone!

    we have discussed his greatness and there is nothing left to discuss about that and I mentioned that in my comment.

  103. #103 by tom on November 14, 2011 - 11:30 AM

    munir

    ur right. but if heroes are more important than team, than u have to question whether its a healthy mindset or not?

    once mark taylor ( KS i hope ur reading this) scored 330 odd in peshawar. he could have scored 400ish and broken bradman’s record but he declared and went for a win coz only 3 days were left. match was drawn and mind u taylor was captain.

    i wonder why great players sometimes dont have the audacity to raise their hand and say ‘ look iam not performing- perhaps somebody else should fill my shoes”

    that to me is the right approach. team first, records later.

    should hero worship be more valued than patriotism? beats me

  104. #104 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 11:32 AM

    Tom

    Inzi averaged 38 in 2007 and 31 in 2008. His career average is 50. The only reason he played his last few Test series was so that he could take over Miandad’s record, but his form was really poor.

    Tendulkar averages 78 (more than twice vs Inzamam) in 2010 and 46 (nearly Inzi’s career average) in 2011. His career average is 56.

    Despite poor form this guy is in the 10 highest run scorers in Tests in 2011.

    So, on this performance no country would drop him if a milestone is around the corner.

    Warne was not nearing any milestone and that is why he was dropped.

  105. #105 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 11:55 AM

    Misbah loses the toss yet again.

    SL off to a good start.

    Misbah has delayed bringing Afridi or Ajmal- will this prove costly?

  106. #106 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 11:58 AM

    As soon as Afridi is introduced he gets Dilshan.

  107. #107 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 12:08 PM

    Misbah is too defensive. Come on man you could have used 2-3 more overs from Afridi before getting your defensive bowlers to bowl.

  108. #108 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 12:08 PM

    Tom

    Are you following the match today?

  109. #109 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 12:11 PM

    Good catch by Razzaq.

    Sanga couldn’t read that.

    Poor shot though.

  110. #110 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 1:37 PM

    Tendulkar will not retire till he is called Centulkar. If he cannot make it in 2011 he will play in 2012 and the worshipers would be praying behind him to achieve that milestone. The reason India got a good start today is because Sehwag played his natural game and scored 38 in 33 balls and was out when the score was 66 in 12 overs. That is how you change the tempo of the game and not by a forward defensive bat or let the ball go through to the keeper.

    This is not test cricket to save Afridi after bowling 7 overs, he should have continued him till he finishes his 10 overs because, now they are settled, Afridi, Ajmal and Hafeez they all bowl when they are taking wickets and controlling the run rate, by changing Afridi Misbah made a mistake because in the second spell the bowler needs to adjust his line and length and the batsman is already playing shots so he will go for it. Uss Gadhay Misbah ko samjhaye kon?

  111. #111 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 2:01 PM

    Misbah didn’t use Afridi and Ajmal properly.

    Afridi would have ended with 1 or 2 more wickets and Ajmal could have also gotten a couple of wickets if they had not been taken out of the attack after their first over.

    SL were on the backfoot and that was the time to apply pressure.

    Using Razzaq and Hafeez for long spells ensured Tharanga and Jayawerdene remain not out and once settled they went for boundaries.

    I saw this captaincy with Malik too.

    Who teaches these guys to think defensively?

    Which decent captain would take your best bowler out of the attack when they are taking wickets?

  112. #112 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 2:10 PM

    tom

    It seems like DAWN is getting some advertising business from India, hence they have a policy to butter the butt of the bread. I must have written it here on this blog sometime ago that in the DAWN’s cooking blog an Hindu lady wrote a recipe of DAAL and there was nothing, absolutely nothing especial about it, just plain daal. In the photo it showed a single leaf of “hara-dhanya’ no garnishing, no tarka nothing and then, there were ingredients and recipe and how to cook it. The TAAM JHAAM was as if you are cooking biryani? Trust me I have much better recipes for Daals which my Daadi used to make.

    The irony is in the ingredients she mentioned “Heeng” also what it is called in English (Asafoetida) and the TEEP KA BANDH was when she wrote, “I wonder whether the Pakistani’s know what Heeng is”? During the pre-partition times Peshawar used to grow a lot Heeng but, its consumption is very high in India so it grows a lot in India now. It is famous for keeping the gas low in your stomach, stop turbulence and reduces acidity and acid reflux if you take a pinch of it in your mouth after eating gaseous food or, add it to the food itself like daals. It is also known to cure flu etc. etc. and everyone knows about this. And, this lady has the audacity and cheekiness to taunt Pakistanis by saying, I wonder if they know what Heeng is? It is like Ghulam Ali trying to explain the meanings of words during a Ghazal session. Ch2ye murr gaye aulaad chorr gaye! Aur unn say barray wo hain jo unki suntay hain.

    Recently there were some occasions/celebrations about Ghalib and Iqbal and DAWN carried out a few new blogs and one of the readers from India commented that, it is good to see that even Indian poets are appreciated in Pakistan????? What a load of Rubbish. First you have removed Urdu from most schools and you never care to promote anything about Urdu or mention these poets, you do only when there is some political motive. And, I wrote Ghalib and Iqbal were URDU poets, first show your respect to the language before stamping your authority of ownership over these poets. Pakistan was created in 1947 whereas, Iqbal died in 1938 so whatever poetry he wrote or devoted were for Muslims and Urdu lovers. Same is the case with Ghalib he died in 1869 there was only one country but, if you consider them as your national poets why don’t you promote them? It is hardly ever done.

    Before partition in a majority of the schools all over India, before the class begins and during the assembly the children used to sing Iqbal’s “Saaray Jahan Say Accha HinduStaan Hamaraa, Hum BullBullain Hai Uskee, Wo Gulistaan Hamara” Most people that it would become the national anthem, when the time came they chose Rabindarnath Tagore’s JANA GANA MANA ADHINA.….. which is in Bengali and Bengali is spoken only in Bengal whereas, Iqbal’s Saaray Jahan say accha……….. is understood by a majority of the Indians.

    Even the Bangladeshis did the same, they also chose Tagore’s “Amar Sonar Bangla…….. there were many notable poets in Bangladesh like Nazrul Islam etc., and this Amar Sonar Bangla actually negates the concept of Unity. It was written by Tagore to reunite the Est Bengal with West Bengal (which was separated by Lord Curzon in 1906 -1911 and that is another story.

    The point is DAWN is following the steps of Waseem Akram and Adnan Sami Khan, ———- sitting in India’s lap

    Has anyone seen the debate on GEO TV when Dr. Shahid Ahmad was anchor and it was between some MARVI and Ziad Hamid?

  113. #113 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 2:13 PM

    khansahab

    U wrote the same thing that I did. Anyways, Afridi got rid of both dangerous players, Tharanga and Mathews – who is a hard hitter. If SL goes for big hitting from now they can make 250 otherwise they might end up below 230 since Jaya Warden is there he can accelerate the run rate.

    Ps

    And, Misbah is not a decent captain, captain tou door ki baat hai he is finito as a player,

  114. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 2:20 PM

    After Cheema bowing wides and no-balls it is Ajmal’s turn to bowl wide. How come a spinner could bowl wide, unless he is bowling on the legs. But a good bowler like Ajmal should be careful in such crucial overs.

  115. #115 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 2:25 PM

    Look @ the superstitious feelings of Indians, a quote from cricinfo:

    Arnie: “Is Mahela going to be the 2nd Sri Lankan after Jayasuriya to complete 10K ODI runs?” If he gets there today, then yes.

    Kishore: “PLs do not comment on Jayawardane’s landmark. We all saw what happened to Sachin and Dravid this morning …” Okay then.

  116. #116 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 2:26 PM

    hahahahahaaha Jayawardene OUT 2 balls later, Saeed Ajmal to Jayawardene, OUT, bowled him!

  117. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 2:34 PM

    BREAKING NEWS:
    I am leaving Zardari league, says SHAH MAHMOOD QURESHI

    ISLAMABAD: Former foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on Monday announced his resignation from the membership of Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the National Assembly, DawnNews reported.

    “I am leaving the Zardari league,” Qureshi announced this while addressing a press conference.

    He criticized Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and said that the government had failed to revive the economy of the country.

    Qureshi also urged other lawmakers to resign from the parliament. He said that the ruling party was losing its popularity in Sindh.

  118. #118 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 2:40 PM

    Same stupid captaincy decision to give Ajmal the last over, although he finally got a wicket in the last over after giving away 13 runs, one more ball to be bowled but the score could have remained under 220 had he used Gul in the last 2 overs, I wonder why Gul bowled only 7 overs and Hafeez only 8. Whereas, Ajmal and Cheema both gave away too many runs. Ajmal 61 runs in 10 overs and Cheema 56 in 8 overs. Ch2yapay ki defensive captaincy.

  119. #119 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 3:23 PM

    Malinga strikes. Looks like Misbah’s luck has run out. 2 wickets down and 2 in form players gone.

  120. #120 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 3:29 PM

    Poor shot by Younis, worst shot you can play on that ball.

  121. #121 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 3:36 PM

    Farhat is shit.

    He was bound to get out soon.

    Can’t time, can’t use his feet well.

  122. #122 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 3:41 PM

    Good shot by Youngsta Beauty

    Maaro salay Malinga ko

  123. #123 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 3:41 PM

    haha

    Malinga thrashed by Y Beauty

  124. #124 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 4:54 PM

    Misbah shows his weakness against pace and also under pressure.

    He is a joke of a batsman and his luck ran out today.

    What a pathetic knock.

  125. #125 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 5:16 PM

    Is Misbah insulting Afridi by sending Razzaq and Sarfraz before Afridi?

  126. #126 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 5:48 PM

    Once again Pakistani openers are in HUGGING position (Urdu wali) Farhat is hopeless and Misbah wanted to live in Defense Society but, he has been sent to Laloo Khet today.

  127. #127 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 5:50 PM

    khansahab

    Razzaq is not as reliable a player as he used to, and once in a blue moon that he plays a good innings, how many months it has been since he played that marvelous innings in Abu Dhabi?
    Afridi too cannot carry on for long time, here they need 90 odd runs with 15 overs remaining, only YOUNGSTA BEATTY can stretch the innings, so we need his ton here.

  128. #128 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 6:10 PM

    YOUNGSTA BEATTY OUT …………… after hitting 3 consecutive fours to Fernando who lost his heart (Dilhara) he threw away his wicket on the last ball of the over by getting carried away. NOW, Munna Sarfaraz got OUT on first ball of a new over from Malinga. and now its a game between TWO AKHROATS,,………… Afridi and Gulla, still a long way to go for Pakistan

  129. #129 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 6:10 PM

    LOL Sarfraz was not out.

    It did not look out to me but the way he walked off and the way Sri Lankans appealed made it seem like he was plumb.

  130. #130 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 6:12 PM

    Malinga to Sarfraz Ahmed, OUT, lbw! A low full toss that is dead straight and dipping on the batsman. Sarfraz tries to flick across the line and misses the ball. He’s hit flush in front of the stumps. And just like that both set batsmen have been dismissed. On second thought, however, that might have been swinging down leg side. It looked close at normal speed though. Morfi: “Sarfarz has only Imran farhat to blame who wasted the review nonsensically…!”

  131. #131 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 6:15 PM

    Chalo jee Gul bhee gaya………….. hope the second Akhroat plays with some calmness instead of hitting out sixes and getting out needlessly.

  132. #132 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 6:20 PM

    Someone mentioned Waqar said this today. Did anyone hear it?

    “I thought Dilshan will probably look to bring Malinga back in the last few overs. He is bowling now however” – Russel Arnold.

    “Yeah, he has been a very effective death bowler…… Mainly because of his blowing…….. blowjob of the tailenders” – Waqar Younis.

  133. #133 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 6:24 PM

    hahahahahha@ waqar, even if he hasn’t said that, it is very WAQARISH……….. 😀

  134. #134 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 6:38 PM

    When Ajmal bowled wides, I said this is too much that a spinner is bowling wide…………….. someone on cricinfo said this: “Pakistan’s 25 extras including 16 wides are hurting them badly. “

  135. #135 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 6:38 PM

    Afridi almost got run out the previous over when he set off- that was never going to be a run and it was unbelievably stupid.

    Now he has been run out by Dilshan- there was no need to run and the fielder was darting in quick.

    Anyway the failure of the top order will be blamed for this defeat.

    Misbah wasted too many balls and his defensive gameplay is only helping in draws and losses.

  136. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 6:40 PM

    You cannot be lucky all the time, AFRIDI RUN OUT, the first time it was a benefit of doubt and now he is gone, shouldn’t Ajmal respond to his call? Especially since he was hitting big and hitting successfully? So, both hitters, Razzaq and Afridi run out today! What a waste.

  137. #137 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 14, 2011 - 6:42 PM

    In my opinion the match is over now, neither Ajmal nor Cheema has the ability to score 37 runs together so, I am off now………. take care.

  138. #138 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 11:13 PM

    Umar Akmal Cover drives Fernando for 4 !!…

    Waqar: “Well hes in a rush now… Look at that… Crispy!! That was a serious Crisp!!”

  139. #139 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 11:19 PM

    Hansie Cronje match fixing case to be reopened

    After three Pakistani cricketers were jailed for spot fixing in the UK recently, another sensational match-fixing case is all set to be reopened by Delhi Police.

    Government sources said investigation into the match-fixing involving former South African skipper the late Hansie Cronje would restart.

    Delhi Police crime branch had intercepted cell phone conversations of Cronje. It has now emerged that the cell phone actually belonged to Delhi bookie Rajesh Kalra.

    Cronje used the phone to talk to several people in Mumbai and New Delhi, most of who were subsequently tracked by the crime branch. He was heard talking team composition and other key aspects related to a match.

  140. #140 by Aatma-hathya on November 14, 2011 - 11:22 PM

    Kamran, Riaz ready to face ICC probe

    Pakistani cricketers Kamran Akmal and Wahab Riaz, whose names have come under the scanner during a corruption and spot-fixing, are ready to face any investigation by the sport’s governing body.

    Media has reported that their names were mentioned during the spot-fixing trial in London for their involvement in corruption with tainted Pakistani players Salman Butt, Muhammad Asif and Muhammad Aamer, who were jailed by a crown court in London last month for corruption and cheating.

    During the trial it was reported that the agent for the tainted trio Mazhar Majeed had told undercover reporter Mazhar Mahmood that they were other Pakistani players involved in spot-fixing and mentioned the names of Kamran and Wahab.

    “I am open to any inquiry they want to check my assets andc accounts. I will cooperate with them but I want this stigma removed once for all,” Kamran was reported as saying.

    The two players were discarded for the ongoing one-day series Pakistan plays in the UAE against Sri Lanka.

    “I don’t like these media reports insinuating things about me. The selectors dropped me for the one-day series against Sri Lanka that is their decision. But to insinuate I have been dropped because of some spot-fixing allegations is not acceptable,” Riaz who starred in the 2011 World Cup grabbing five wickets during the semifinal against India.

    They are fed up with the constant media reports linking them to spot-fixing allegations.

    Kamran said he could not understand the fresh allegations but an official in the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) told Press Trust of India that besides performance issues, Wahab was also dropped for the one-day series against Sri Lanka because his name had cropped up again during the trial in London .

    “We just wanted to be sure and safe that is all,” the official said.

    Wahab said he would like to see the PCB offer more support to the players and he was ready for any inquiry. Kamran was also clear on the matter.

    What I know is that the ICC (International Cricket Council) inquired about my assets and other things late last year and the PCB also held an inquiry about me. They both cleared me to play in the World Cup so what is the problem now,” Kamran said.

    Kamran said even last year after the spot-fixing scandal broke out he had sent a legal notice to Mazhar Majeed for taking his name during the spot-fixing issue.

    “He replied to the notice saying he had been misquoted and he meant something else,” Kamran added.

    Kamran said he was ready to face any ICC inquiry.

    Kamran also suggested that the PCB hold regular checks on the assets and accounts of all players so that Pakistan ‘s image can be cleaned up and all doubts removed.

    “I would suggest that they have three month to six month checks on player assets and accounts. I am ready for this. If this can be done it would help a lot,” he said.

    “I want to remain focused on cricket and trying to comeback to the Pakistan team so these allegations that come up don’t help at all,” said Kamran,a veteran of 53 Tests, 137 ODIs and 38 T20s.

  141. #141 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 15, 2011 - 2:29 AM

    Sialkot Di Majj kaindi aye…………. “Shah Mehmood has written his ‘political obituary”

    If Shah Mahmood is so insignificant in the party why lament about him when he resigned from the PPP? Besides, who is talking? Isn’t this the same BHAINS who was in Musharraf’s government and a very loyal one? Musharraf didn’t tie her to a KILLA, and that is why she left and joined other parties. Her mouth is as big as her backyard.

    Bhains ki poonch bay wajah nahee Ghalib
    Kuch tou hai jis ki parda daari hai.
    😀

  142. #142 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 15, 2011 - 2:37 AM

    khansahab

    If Kamran Akmal is openly saying that anyone can check his bank accounts it doesn’t mean he is clean. Wo inna V Pola nai aye….…….. aur duniya Ch2ya nahee hai. Everyone knows when most people, barring Butt and Aamir, when they do Gorak Dhanday they don’t accept the bribes or match fixing money in their own name. Wo shaqs jis ki aankhain Hema Malini say milti theen vo bhee inna Pola nai see! Peepal know kay kis kay naam paisay layta thaa vo. You know in one of the social gatherings someone remarked about this Kamran’s statement kay check ker lo kerna hai tou? The guy said, these days even the Gashtees don’t take money from your hand, they say keep it on the bed or on the beside table so that they can swear (or if they are trapped by a camera) that they did not take money from that person who is trapping her. She will say, I picked up the money from the table or the bed, which is not a crime. So, Kamran kis ko ullu samajh rehay ho tum? There is no more Ijaz Butt now so, just keep your mouth shut for once, varna moo may mukkhiyaan ghuss jayenge.

  143. #143 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 15, 2011 - 2:50 AM

    khansahab

    Pakistan lost this 2nd ODI because of Misbah’s stupidities:

    1. He should not have removed Shahid Afridi after 7 overs when he was bowling well, that was the first sign of being defensive.
    2. He did not use Gul’s 10 overs, he removed him and gave Ajmal the last 2-3 overs, that was another mistake Ajmal gave away too many runs in the end.
    3. The bowlers were bowling too many wides, I really don’t understand this. In a total of 235 there were 25 extras with 16 wides
    4. Misbah once again batted “disgustipatingly” pathetic at strike rate of 39, was he playing test? Even in test matches players score at a strike rate of 55-60
    5. Sending Abdul Razzaq ahead of Afridi was again a sign of defensive captaincy.
    6. Discard Imran Farhat from the squad, he is good for nothing, besides he wasted that review that would have helped Sarfaraz’s case. who was not out.

    IS MISBAH EVER GOING TO SCORE AT DECENT STRIKE RATE?

    Perhaps this is the end of lady luck called Missy Baba and the next games will be pressure games and he will be once again crumbling like a cookie.

  144. #144 by Aatma-hathya on November 15, 2011 - 10:34 AM

    Javed A Khan

    I agree that Pakistan lost primarily due to Misbah’s negative captaincy.

    Openers have been losing them matches for a long time so can’t blame either of them too much.

    Misbah thinks every match can be won by batting slowly and then attacking in the final overs. He thinks the team will be able to handle the pressure but neither can he nor the team can handle pressure.

    Umar Akmal played aggressively and although he offered chances, at least he was able to put some pressure on the Sri Lankans. Better to make 50 quickly when offering chances than making 25 slowly and getting out.

  145. #145 by Aatma-hathya on November 15, 2011 - 10:35 AM

    Javed A Khan

    Yeah, if Akmal is claiming that his bank accounts can be checked, it doesn’t mean he never took money for match fixing.

    His association with Majeed and his contacts at domestic level need to be looked at.

  146. #146 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 15, 2011 - 2:03 PM

    Dravid, Dhoni and Laxman all scored centuries in this test match, it shows that the wicket is easy and good for batting BUT what happened to Tendulkar? He certainly is under pressure to create that record and in the process he is getting out. You have to play your natural game, which Tendulkar is not playing.

    Yesterday, Afridi was playing his natural game and he was run out, it has happened with him so many times that when he is playing well he gets run out and when he is not he gets out while playing his silly shot. In fact yesterday he miscued one which went very, very high and the fielder misjudged it and could not catch it. Anyways, lets see what MissyBaba will do on Friday? Is he going to lose the toss again?

  147. #147 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 15, 2011 - 2:21 PM

    ISLAMABAD: Chairman Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) Imran Khan has disclosed that former foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi would join PTI on November 27.This he said while talking to Hamid Mir in Geo News programme ‘Capital Talk’. The programme will be broadcasted tonight at 8:05pm. Imran Khan said Qureshi would make this announcement on November 27 in Ghotki during a public gathering there.

  148. #148 by Aatma-hathya on November 15, 2011 - 2:40 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Imran Khan is doing a Grand Jalsa in Keranchi on 25 December which is either going to be as big as his Lahore jalsa or even bigger.

  149. #149 by Aatma-hathya on November 15, 2011 - 3:51 PM

    Tom

    Kuch tabsara karein gey siyasi rudd o badal par?

  150. #150 by tom on November 15, 2011 - 4:40 PM

    Jak

    saradrar wont retire til he gets the 100th shatak even if igt takes 2014. KS mentioned in comment 100 to leave him alone ,so im sparing him.

    this 100 is actually meant to prove him as greatest batsman- even greater than don. Stupids dont even realize they could have vretired him from test ckt and allowed him to play one day ckt to get that shatak but perhaps its unimaginable to ask him to retire. look aussies are asking for ponting’s scalp.

  151. #151 by tom on November 15, 2011 - 4:42 PM

    KS

    poiltical change is round the corner. it looks enmass resignations bfor senate elections so 2012 will see very bigggg political changeeee…….

    If IK says it will be a big rally in karachi, that means hes bragging or MQM is supporting him. lrets see…….

  152. #152 by Aatma-hathya on November 15, 2011 - 5:09 PM

    Ahmed Shehzad Keeps Facing Discipline Issues

    LAHORE: Learning virtually nothing from the extremely embarrassing jail terms awarded to three Pakistan cricketers by a London court last Thursday in the ugly spot-fixing saga, international opener Ahmed Shahzad has continued to breach discipline during the ongoing Quaid-i-Azam Trophy National Cricket Championship, despite receiving penalties.

    Though 19-year-old Ahmed is showing good form with the bat for the Habib Bank Limited (HBL) in the premier domestic first-class event, he received warning in the first two matches for showing unfair attitude against some decisions of the on-field umpires.

    However, apparently paying no heed to the warnings, Ahmed has kept more or less the same approach. Subsequently, the player who has so far represented Pakistan in 19 ODIs and six T20 Internationals, was fined half match fee amounting to Rs 6,000 in the third match against Rawalpindi followed by another fine — amounting to full match fees (Rs12,000) — and a one-match ban in the fourth game against Karachi Blues which ended in draw at the National Stadium, Karachi on Thursday.

  153. #153 by Aatma-hathya on November 15, 2011 - 5:11 PM

    Tom

    You didn’t comment on Pakistan’s match?

    Waqar’s verbal bloopers?

    Youngsta Beauty’s performance?

  154. #154 by tom on November 15, 2011 - 5:21 PM

    KS

    i was way too busyyy yesterday…..

    i followed the match and your comments…….

    did waqqa really said the blowjob thing or its just made up? couldnt stop laughing

    youngsta beauty confiremd his place just like everybody in pakistani team; no one plays for the team.

    serves stodge right. thats what he did with afridi. lets see how series unfolds

  155. #155 by tom on November 15, 2011 - 5:51 PM

    Acc to geo news, khaa ja Asaf say his party may rezigne ferom asshmbly in 2 months

  156. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 15, 2011 - 6:32 PM

    tom

    instead of KA you should call him KK, short for, ‘KUGGOO KODAY” (mitti kay ghoday) that is what he used to do, sell clay toys on a rairee during his childhood days. There is nothing wrong in it, but now he doesn’t want to meet any of his childhood friends who knows his background and one of his childhood friends I happen to meet at someone’s place told me: When I reminded him of childhood days he said: “taynoo ki takleef aye gee meray naal? Tusi kuggoo koday di yaad dilande O ? Hunn asee Minaster, tay Sanayter di post ich aye tay billion rupai di assamee aye, tu hek E rutt lagai jaanda kuggoo koday, kuggoo koday.” His friend said, “O apnay pio da puttar nai kisi da dost kis tera O sagda?”

    Most big and richmen have a very simple and humble background and they worked hard to earn money and status, here he worked hardly and became a millionaire overnight through corruption. Why only ask the cricket players to declare their assets? Why not ask these bastards to declare their assets and ask them from where they acquired so much wealth? There is no legal way to earn so much money especially for a govt. officer or, a senator or a politician especially when they never had any business/industry or whatever. Mian Chor Shareef can say he had his ittihad foundary but, that was only J. barabar even b4 he became the PM but, today he is 3rd or 4th richest man of Pakistan and same goes for the number one, Mian jee Ki Manisha.

  157. #157 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 15, 2011 - 6:38 PM

    khansahab

    Its true we must verify that comment on blowjob and before we forget it, you must archive it on Waqqa commentary page. Pls.

    DIL KO KHUSH REKHNAY KO GHALIB YE KHAYAL ACCHA HAI. Misbah-ul-Haq, the Pakistan captain, has said he was happy with the way his side fought back after losing early wickets in the second ODI against Sri Lanka in Dubai, even though Pakistan ultimately lost the game by 25 runs.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-sri-lanka-2011/content/story/540605.html

  158. #158 by tom on November 15, 2011 - 8:01 PM

    This asshole should explain why afridi was sent so late?

    hun happyu ,WTF!

    a total zero player! he would struggle to enter into many teams let alone be captain.

  159. #159 by tom on November 15, 2011 - 8:16 PM

    Well found something about waqqa

    blowjob + milk!

    http://pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?p=4317498

  160. #160 by Aatma-hathya on November 15, 2011 - 10:44 PM

    Tom

    On that forum page I don’t think the people have been able to figure out whether the blowjob comment was really made or not.

  161. #161 by Aatma-hathya on November 15, 2011 - 10:49 PM

    I don’t think I have ever seen such surprising statistics. These are amongst the top 10 players of 2011 in the respective categories:

    Higher run scorers in Tests: Misbah and Taufeeq Umar along with the likes of Dravid, Pieterson and Sangakkara

    Highest run scorers in ODIs: Misbah and Hafeez along with the likes of Trott and Sangakarra

    Highest wicket takers in Test: Saeed Ajmal, D Bichoo and Ishant Sharma are the top 3 wicket takers!!!

    Highest wicket takers in ODIs: Munaf Patel is no 5 or no 6 in the list.

    Pakistan has benefited from playing minnows and 2011 has definitely been the year of mediocre players.

  162. #162 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 16, 2011 - 12:56 AM

    HEADLINES IN TODAY”S DAWN NEWS PAPER

    All nations fixed matches, not just Pakistan: Condon THEN WHY DON’T YOU PUNISH THEM MR. CONDON?

    LONDON: All of cricket’s leading countries were involved in the fixing of major matches, not just Pakistan, the sport’s former chief anti-corruption investigator said Tuesday.

    “In the late 1990s, Test and World Cup matches were being routinely fixed,” Paul Condon, the founding head of the International Cricket Council’s anti-corruption unit, said in an interview with London Evening Standard.

    “There were a number of teams involved in fixing, and certainly more than the Indian sub-continent teams were involved.

    “Every international team, at some stage, had someone doing some funny stuff.” This month a British court jailed three Pakistan cricketers for deliberately bowling no-balls in a Test against England at Lord’s last year in order to effect an illegal betting coup.

    Former Pakistan captain Salman Butt was sentenced to 30 months in prison while bowlers Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Aamer were jailed for a year and six months respectively.

    But Condon, a former head of London’s Metropolitan Police Force who helped set up the ICC’s anti-corruption and security unit (ACSU) in 2000 and chaired it for a decade, said: “A whole generation of cricketers playing in the late 1990s must have known what was going on and did nothing.” And Condon added the root of the problem lay not in Asia but in English county cricket, where favours were traded between teams across the domestic 40-over Sunday league and first-class Championship competitions.

    “If you’re Team A and have a higher position in the Sunday league and I’m captain of Team B and my team have no chance in the Sunday league, I might do a deal to ensure you got maximum points in your Sunday league match.

    “You would reciprocate in the County Championship. These friendly fixes quickly became more sinister, probably in the Eighties.” Despite widespread speculation about the probity of several fixtures, cricket chiefs only took action in 2000 when South Africa captain Hansie Cronje was revealed to have accepted bribes from bookmakers.

    Condon was brought on board by the ICC, with the initial aim of making sure matches in the 2003 World Cup in southern Africa were ‘clean’.

    Although confident those games were above board, and that the rigging of matches is no longer a major concern, the 64-year-old believes the tournament marked the emergence of ‘spot-fixing’ when unscrupulous gamblers realised they could pull off huge betting coups merely on specific incidents.

    Yet it was not the ACSU, now headed by another former British police officer in Ronnie Flanagan, who carried out the ‘sting’ operation that caught the Pakistan trio but now defunct UK tabloid newspaper the News of the World.

    “We considered it and a policy decision was taken that, firstly, it would be highly unlikely the police would prosecute,” Condon said. “They would say, ‘This is entrapment’.” Condon, who helped persuade the British Government to make cheating in sport a criminal offence in the 2005 Gambling Act, had some sympathy for Amir, saying he was “unsophisticated.”“But that’s not to say he doesn’t deserve a symbolic punishment. To keep cricket clean sentences have to be exemplary.” And he added he knew of cases where Pakistan players risked intimidation by assisting in ACSU inquiries.

    “We had this Pakistani cricketer who was genuinely frightened that if he had revealed what he knew, there would be repercussions on his family. He was a very valuable informant. We flew him from Pakistan at the ICC’s expense and put him up in safe accommodation in London for about a week while we debriefed him.” Condon urged present-day players to do more in the fight against corruption, saying: “In recent years, there’s been very little whistle-blowing from current players.”

  163. #163 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 16, 2011 - 1:31 AM

    Read the last paragraph of Mr. Condon’s statement and while I was reading I thought it could be Zulqarnain, but this one seems to be someone else. Who could that be?

  164. #164 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 16, 2011 - 1:37 AM

    http://www.geo.tv/11-15-2011/88872.htm

    Cardiologist ko bhee koi nai mila, ek gashti say shaadi ker rehay hain! Just imagine his background that is going head over heels for Reema.

  165. #165 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 16, 2011 - 7:00 AM

    WE HAVE A NEW THREAD NOW, PLEASE COMMENT THERE, THANK YOU.

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