MASBA TUSI GRATE HO.

After Imran Khan Niazi, Pakistan has found Mishab ul Haq Niazi – this is the truth and a fact – the rest I am going to write here is lies, total lies and nothing but lies. Like he is the most successful Captain of Pakistan cricket team. I admire his cool demeanor and from whichever “angle” you look at him, he looks like a cool cucumber.

cool cucumber

cool cucumber

I am not sure if the girls like him because of this coolness that he possess.

I heard that Mudassar Nazar cried for several hours because Misbah has broken his record of slow batting but, then someone told him, you still hold the slowest century record so hold on let Misbah try it in Bangladesh.

If Misbah was not in the team, Pakistan cricket team may have not even reached the first T20 WC final, well Misbah said, why am I here, I did that against India in the round match, I will do that in the final and make the bookies happy that, Pakistan lost and India won. But, trust me Misbah is very honest he did not make any money from the bookies, not even a cent. Instead Uncle **SIM jo India hee may rehay hain, he made a few millions, may be rupees, may be dollars.

But, Misbah is a very honest, dedicated man, a real team player. He plays till the end and tells the team, “Laal Tain, iss Terha Pakartay Hain.” If you guys know about this joke you would be rotflol-ing.

People have forgotten Misbah’s two innings of the Ist T20 WC in SA and they have even forgotten LONG, long ago his slow and negative batting in the recent 50 over ODI, WC of 2011. He didn’t mean to irk the Pakistanis he was actually playing his natural game, I mean this is true. I cannot pack ALL the lies in Misbah’s bucket and ask him to kick the bucket. Marray Uss Kay Dushman, he should live long and lead Pakistan even when he is 65 years old. And, make Asad Shafiq, Junaid Khan, Umar Akmal etc. look old and haggard.

Misbah’s field placement is excellent, he never bothers to tell anyone by indicating with his hand or even open his mouth and that is because of his cool demeanor, he simply uses his ” disgustipating – telepathetic” communication skills with players and they simply move into the desired position wherever he wants to place them.   See this is a KwalTee which no one can acquire and he has often done that.

It is just like he often gets out in a different way each time and upon asking he said, my name ends with UL-HAQ so there is something common between me and Inzi Bhai. But, I must admit that he is a very creative player, captain and a leader he discovers new ways of getting out when everyone expects him to finish the match, he ends up on the winning side, because he has never, ever, lost a match single-handedly and that is because, I am speaking the truth.

This reminds me of a nursery rhyme and i.e., in Urdu and I am making it into a parody:

Baat Ki Baat, Khurafaat ki Khurafaat
Misbah nay lagaye 2, 2, shaat
Ek Miss Hoa, Doosra Laga hee nahee
Jo Miss hoa wo dikhaa hee nahee
Jo Laga nahee uskay banay ek duggi aur Chaar Chowkay
Jis kay lagay Chaar Chowkay
Vo kisi kay Hisaab may nahee
Jo hisaab may nahee, Vo Misbah kay howay
Misbah nay banaye 50 runs
Ek baar not out reha
Doosree baar out hee nahee hoa
Jab out hee nahee hoa
Tab Khel Khatam hoa

Misbah nay phir poocha,
Konsi team jeeti aur konsi haari?
Uss nay kaha, jab haari nahee
Tou jeetnay ki kay baat kahee

Kaptaan ho tou aisa,
Jis ki dum pay Paisa

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  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 4:03 AM

    WE have a new thread on the suc-cess of Misbah as a Captain. Please contribute your views, since he is our winning captain!

    Ps

    The new thread was due bakaoz we have to sali-brate our sali-briteez achievements. Secondly, when there are more than 350 comments the browsers take long time to reach to the bottom line, especially on cell phones, so we wanted an excuse.

  2. #3 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 11:44 AM

    Misbah hopes Pakistan continue good run in Bangladesh

    ABU DHABI:
    Pakistan captain Misbah-ul Haq on Saturday hoped his team continued their winning streak during the tour of Bangladesh starting next week, after whitewashing Sri Lanka in all three formats of the game.

    Pakistan beat Sri Lanka in the one-off Twenty20 international on Friday, capping a successful tour in which they also won the three-Test series 1-0 and five-match one-day serie 4-1.

    Pakistan play a Twenty20 international against Bangladesh on Tuesday. They also play three one-day and two Tests on the tour.

    Misbah said his team is determined to continue the good form.

    “I hope my team shows more improvement and consistency on the tour of Bangladesh which like any other tour is not easy,” said 37-year-old Misbah, who has not lost a Test series since taking over in October last year.

    Misbah has lost only one of ten one-day matches since replacing Shahid Afridi as limited overs captain in June this year.

    Misbah said his team will not take Bangladesh lightly.

    “The morale and confidence of the team is very high after beating a team like Sri Lanka, but despite that we are not going to take Bangladesh lightly as they are a tough team in their home conditions,” said Misbah.

  3. #4 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 12:14 PM

    Tom

    You mentioned about Misbah being lucky that his batsmen are performing.

    There is no change in performance from any one of them. They have been performing like this ever since Hafeez made his return.

    The bowling is winning them matches.

  4. #5 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 12:21 PM

    Tom

    Interesting statistic here.

    I mentioned about how the poor form of Sri Lankan batsmen on this tour.

    You can give credit to Pakistan bowling or you can rue the poor form of the SL batsmen.

    But, apart from Sangakkara who performed, the two best batsmen were Dilshan and Jayawerdene.

    Both of them are poor in Tests vs Pakistan.

    Dilshan’s career average is 42 but average vs Pakistan is 28.

    Jayawerdene’s career average is 51 but average vs Pakistan is 32.

    So this is my point- you can have any Pakistani bowling attack but Sri Lankans will struggle.

    So, was the Test series victory due to a longstanding problem Sri Lankans have against Pakistani bowling, or due to Misbah’s calmness and serenity?

    As far as I can remember Sri Lankans always struggle against Pakistan and the only time they were dominant was around the 1996 era when they were able to dominate every team.

  5. #6 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 12:56 PM

    Malik’s selection is the really controversial one. I don’t understand how they could have selected Malik for the Bangladesh series without observing his performance in every match in the Sri Lanka series?

    He has looked hopelessly out of touch.

  6. #7 by NewGuy on November 26, 2011 - 2:24 PM

    WI-Ind test match on a highway ended up with a thrilling last day finish. Only second time ever for a test match to end with scores level. To make it even more exciting India needed 1 run to win and WI needed 1 wicket to win. A fair result for both teams, as WI did not deserve to lose after their first innings total and fight with ball in both innings.

    Tendulkar failed in second innings. This will go unmentioned by fan club and media. A quick 30 runs from him would have made all the difference. Yet, all he was thinking was his hundred?

    Great to see this Test match could get a life other than this fellow’s selfish hundred. Never thought I would say it. But it has happened too many times now. Tendulkar fails the team cause far too often and is being a distraction, since his fan club only wants his records and not team win. There is a large majority that wants Team win, but they get drowned out by his fan club.

    Kohli and Ashwin were impressive, as were Ojha and other youngsters. Sehwag did his thing. Too bad Laxman got out, as did Dravid, otherwise they would have taken India to a memorable win. Coming back from a 590 run deficit and winning do not happen every day, that too on a flat track. SRT big failure.

    Time for India to move on beyond SRT and his records.

    India looks like having a strong squad for Australia, with enough reserves in both bowling and batting. The young legs of Yadav and Aaron should keep fast bowling reserves in good health, and they will enjoy the bounce on Australian wickets. If batting can hold up, Australia is a bit weak now, and they can compete.

    Hope media will focus on the younger generation and team win, rather than SRT hundred again. Everyone is sick of it.

    Great Test match in the end.

  7. #8 by NewGuy on November 26, 2011 - 2:36 PM

    Harbhajan left out of India squad this is from the title of India team selection to Australia on Cricinfo. A blatant example of Cricinfo biased view and how they creates cheap sensation.

    Harbhajan left out, huh? is this even news? when was he even considered. The guy was a failure in England and in many matches before that. He is a failure in Ranji trophy where he is now captaining Punjab. He has picking wickets at 100 runs average against domestic teams. His average in Australia is 62 runs per wicket from last tour. Not to speak the problems he created there last time.

    Why would Cricinfo wants to keep writing about Harbhajan. Is he playing them to write about him and create sensation.

    The team selected itself, younger spinners Ashwin and Ojha are both better bowlers, and Ashwin even did well with the bat scoring a hundred. Who cares about overhyped Harbhajan.

    His career is done unless he can show form in domestic cricket.

    Shameful Cricinfo people.

  8. #9 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 3:31 PM

    KS

    tom here

    well if taufeeq gets 200 and fielders start taking catches,u hav to wonder hasn’t performance improved.

    I agree india should look beyond stats.

  9. #10 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 3:52 PM

    This blog is about mesbha and i want to share some thoughts about him.

    There is a lot of talk about captaan khera cool, his persona, mba (master in BS accumulation), inspiring others like afridi and dilhara yesterday etc. One way of measuring a playr’s success and popularity is to check whether aspiring cricketers want to be like him or consider him favorite.

    Young cricketers look upto imran or afridi as all rounder, miandad or inzy as batsman or 2w’s as fast bowler. Nobody would ever say that he aspires to be like mesbha.

    All this cool kheera talk looks so comical. Even his supporters know hes not a man of crisis. He cant play a miandad sharjah knock or a dravid like knock on green pitches. This Mr cool thing has comic elements then any seriousness. I dont see this nonsense stopping till at least 2013.

  10. #11 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 3:58 PM

    KS

    SL is in decline. But all the talk is abt kheera bhai. SL’s performance in south africa will be a good indicator whr it stands. See every victory under him is attributed to his thanda pan- sheer bhonda pan. But french would never be undrstod in persia. So its better to watch fairty tale of captaan cool.

  11. #12 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 4:19 PM

    Newguy

    On current performance Ojha and Ashwin both are the premier spinners for India and they are doing well. But prior to this series I can’t remember either of them making a match winning impact, something which Harbhajan used to do albeit inconsistently.

    Kumble was good towards the end of his career but for most of his career I think he was like Harbhajan- inconsistent with occasional match winning performances.

    Often you see young inductees performing well in the first few series but then they lose the gloss.

    Ashwin has impressed but Ojha has had a mediocre career. But on current form I agree he is better than Harbhajan.

    This is often the problem with Indian bowling that it is hard to approve of one bowler over another. On his day Yuvraj can rip through batting orders but you can’t play him as a specialist spinner.

  12. #13 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 4:24 PM

    Newguy

    I think your opinion must be amongst the minority that people are getting sick of SRT’s 100th century furore. This will resurface before the Australian tour. Tendulkar’s record is good against them, but he is likely to struggle in my opinion. As I said earlier this is the last great milestone he is going to reach and age and pressure is now taking its toll. This year we have seen a different Tendulkar to 2010- he was much more relaxed last year.

    If you consider his WC semi final performance, it was pitiful and it was totally out of order that they gave him the MOM award. I think someone like Ashwin could have batted better than that. I was really surprised at that knock from him, because he manhandled Steyn and Morkel a few days before that match. But since that match against Pakistan he has looked mediocre.

  13. #14 by NewGuy on November 26, 2011 - 4:24 PM

    KS,

    What you think of Tendulkar and his fourth innings non contribution to team cause. A quick 30 to 40 runs in 30 to 40 balls was surely possible for him? He did not do it and contribute to team win. Why should any one care anything more about him and his records.

  14. #15 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 4:28 PM

    Newguy

    I don’t think he had any plans to tear the bowling apart from make a 100- I think only a Gilchrist or Sehwag could have intended that. Yeah, I do actually agree that a quickfire 35 or 40 would have been the best he could have done. I didn’t watch the match and didn’t see his mode of dismissal (I knew he was caught out) but under the circumstances an aggressive approach would have been the best option.

    I know he is often rested in ODI’s against minnow teams but why he is not playing the ODI series? He had a chance to get that century there.

  15. #16 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 4:30 PM

    Zen

    Well, I don’t see how SL’s mediocre fast bowlers can contain SA batsmen or how the out of form Dilshan and Jayawerdene will handle their pace trio. It would be very surprising if SL make an impact in SA.

  16. #17 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 4:34 PM

    Zen

    I think the most important focus for Pakistan now is how Hafeez and Beauty develop under Misbah.

    If he can inspire them then I see this team in the top 4. The bowling is pretty good and in Tests, every one is a weak link apart from Younis Khan, who himself gets out in important situations.

    This team is going to struggle in Tests although I suppose one can’t complain too much with the current form of bowlers like Cheema, Junaid Khan and Ajmal. If Umar Gul and Rehman etc can provide a supporting hand these bowlers can do the trick but as always against the top 4 sides a good opener (Hafeez) and a good middle order batsman (Beauty) will need to perform.

  17. #18 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 4:36 PM

    KS

    Ys there was no plan in tendkur mind and thats what is disappointing. A pro like him should look beyond some record. Mind it aint the first time and the way this saga has unfolded,i agree wth newgy that some interest is lost.

    A 100 in aus is not for granted- more heartaches?

  18. #19 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 4:41 PM

    KS

    do u honestly think he’s inspired or devlopd anyone or he has that knack?

    If u thnk he has, u have been ovr critical of him.

  19. #20 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 4:43 PM

    Zen

    Pakistan are playing England early next year. I know England struggle outside England, but surely they can make some impact in UAE? I think they will know how to target Hafeez and Farhat, they will know how to frustrate Umar Akmal and Afridi. Swann will probably test the batsmen.

    I think it will be a competitive series. This England team is a lot more mentally strong than before and I doubt they will suffer the same whitewash vs Pakistan that they suffered vs India.

    One more thing- Pakistan are playing India early next year in some Asia Cup match in Bangladesh. Misbah’s pressure handling skills will be tested and Indian batsmen are likely to thrash Pakistani bowlers. I can imagine the score being something like 150/3 in 30 overs and Misbah coming out to bat with another 150 runs needed in 20 overs.

  20. #21 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 4:44 PM

    Tom

    I didn’t mean that the batsmen should emulate Misbah and end up like him. I meant that they should improve and good captains care about player development. So, that should be the focus of the captain and the team management but whether they will succeed is a different matter.

  21. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 4:47 PM

    newguy

    See, this is exactly how we feel about Misbah like you are feeling about Tendulkar now, we have been saying for long that Tendulkar is inspired by Gavaskar and he admires Tendulkar there is a mutual admiration club between the two of them who have always played for records. Now, you understand or not that Misbah plays for himself, it is not that he cannot hit big sixes or fours, but that means taking risk and not risk for the team but, for himself and his place. Because, all his cricketing life he was left behind and now God has given him an opportunity since the T20 WC in SA where he came into focus in two matches against India.

    Whereas, Tendulkar’s case is even worst, even when he refused the offer for captaincy, he was more important than a captain in the team and it has always been like that, yet he plays negative cricket and selfish cricket. I agree with you if he had scored a quick 30-40 things would have been different, see how Sehwag played the innings?

    Ashwin, I always thought he is just a bowler but, what he achieved in this match even Tendulkar could not so, it proves that he played for the team and Masterbater played for his own pleasure.

  22. #23 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 4:53 PM

    I think the point tom highlighted about Misbah is very valid i.e., is there anyone among the new generation who aspires to be like Misbah? No one! That proves everyone knows that he is a mediocre player but, they don’t want to admit it because, at the moment there is no other player from Punjab who can lead the team. And, they don’t want the captaincy to go back to Afridi. So, that is the main reason Misbah kay Gunn Gayee Jaa rehay hain.

  23. #24 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 4:57 PM

    So exactly thats what Im asking, is he a good captaan or do you see him maturing into one?

    my answer is a ……………………………………………..flatttttttttttttttttttttttt NOOOOOOO.

    success hardly improves anyone in sub continent. right now he’s thinking himself as some sort of 007- infact he is Austin powers

    I agree, england will give them a run for their money.

    if i was strauss i would target mebha and openers.

    i would tell my batters to attack spinners as they break settled batsmen.

    blokes like pietersen could do a lot of damage.

  24. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 4:58 PM

    That cricinfo commentator’s dream must have been shattered when Tendulkar was out on 3, because he was talking of declaration and Tendulkar scoring a century in second innings. First of all Tendulkar’s second innings av. is very low as compared to his first innings av. secondly in this match there was no room to dream about scoring a hundred because the total runs required to score were 242.

    newguy

    I forgot to add this in my previous comment, that it was indeed a great match and it went beyond everyone’s expectation that it will end up in this fashion, it was a highly tense last day. I did not follow it on the last day, one because I was busy, two because I had lost interest in that high scoring first innings from both side and I thought it would be a nagging draw. But, a great test match in the end.

  25. #26 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 5:04 PM

    KS

    for india to succeed, one thing is imperative.

    this tendulkar issue must get resolved.

    its riding on his nerves, team’s nerves and entire nation; a floating boat with no navigation.

    The longer this thing continues, the more India will suffer. it is denting the psyche of the team. In essence WI won the match.

    Do you notice they are losing killer instinct even at home?

    match should have been won but its now becoming a major distraction. Somebody, either a player, administrator or journalist needs to step them out of this spell.

  26. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 5:06 PM

    tom, your question should be diverted to newguy, Munir and boom boom.

    where is that boom-boom guy who came in like a ghost to support Misbah and vanished in thin air?

    newguy – after seeing tendulkar’s second innings performance must have realized how we feel about Misbah? So, I am sure he will change his views, it took him a while to change his views about Sania Malik i.e., when we used to criticize him for his negative tactics, eventually newguy understood and agreed with us. So, he will understand and agree with us on Misbah’s case too.

    And, Munir he always likes to support the underdogs, in his opininion we are too blunt and do not praise Misbah, well that is his view and we have ours.

  27. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 5:09 PM

    India’s media and journalists? Even ours are puppets when it comes to criticizing Tendulkar, they are either controlled by the blogs, newspapers or they do not have the 3alls to write against him.

  28. #29 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 5:14 PM

    Malik’s entry is fishy business.

    correct me guys if Iam wrong, but somehow i felt afridi wasnt feeling at home yesterday.

    Im not talking about his game, i mean vis a vis the team environment.

    wasnt it all deliberate to exclude him from genuine credit.

    perhaps there is a genuine attempt to discourage him and you know he’s fickle. he gets agitated easily.

    I feel Captaan and management are not happy with his presence but since he’s super performing they cant eject him.

    But mesbha praising malak, WTF?

    Underdogs should be supported but if pretenders are to be praised at expense of performers- im sorry this is injustice.

    The most influential palyer in odi and t20 from both sides was afridi.

    All i hear is ch2 cool talk, inspiration, malak etc.

  29. #30 by NewGuy on November 26, 2011 - 5:16 PM

    Javed Khan and KS,

    I have followed Tendulkar most of his cricketing life, except for a few years from 1998 to 2005, right from his debut Test series against Pakistan that I watched live. He was always like this. I cannot remember a single major ODI or Test innings where he won the match for the team, where I had expectation from him to win the match. See the highlighted part where I said where I had expectation. That means the big matches that I usually care for. Matches like WC semi final, final, big test match 4th innings chases, so on .. He has always come short. His fans celebrate the league game knock against Pakistan in 2003 WC, but this is just a league game, from an India-Pakistan rivalry point I can see how this match was big and how he man handled Akhtar, Akram, and Waqar made it heroic. But then he came short in the final.

    There are many many instances like that. Tendulkar always gives an unsettled look. He is never in, he looks always shaky to get out, even when he is smacking bowlers. In many ways he is like Sehwag, that is why Sehwag always said Tendulkar is his idol. Only Sehwag do not care for records and he is mode audacious.

    I have seen several ODI games where I expected Dhoni to win games and he did. I expected Dravid and Laxman to win Test matches and they did.

    Tendulkar has won some games, but they were in consequential.

    At this time, he is creating this mania of 100 hundreds and cannot deliver. It is pathetic. How can a batsman of his stature and experience not score 6 runs. Anyone in his sense, could leave the balls that are not to be hit and then take six singles to the landmark.

    In my mind, his hundred is in consequential now. As I said no one actually tallies ODI and Test hundreds together before this. Some batsmen do not even play both formats.

    He has the chance to go out with a bang and win games for teams, he should do it. Yesterday was another failure, and final nail for me.

  30. #31 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 5:23 PM

    Well one thing is for sure

    mesbha would never be forgotten

    whenever well see a cucumber ( kheera), well remeber him 😀

  31. #32 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 5:27 PM

    For my money Dhoni is mentally stronger than tendulkar

    Dravid is like a fort- rarely yields.

    But India needs to realize these giants are on verge of retirement Secondly, there is a dearth of quality pace bowlers.

    ashwin and ojha are good finds but what abt speed?

    who’ll spearhead pace attack in australia- zaheer, munaf or ishant.

    aussie batsmen must be licking their tongues.

  32. #33 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 5:32 PM

    Muharram moon sighted

    Happy new islamic year to all 😀

  33. #34 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 5:37 PM

    Every ch2 can write a blog on Dawn

    look at this BS

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/26/the-tuk-tuk-king.html

  34. #35 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 5:45 PM

    KS

    you’ll enjoy this- may be

    its all about 100’s, which you love most in cricket

    http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/itfigures/archives/2011/11/special_test_hundreds_a_look_a.php

  35. #36 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 6:23 PM

    Tom

    It’s the writer’s personal opinion man.

    That match winning 153 by Lara has its own value.

    Tendulkar’s 200 has its own value.

    They are different types of players with different strengths and weaknesses and the circumstances were different too.

  36. #37 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 6:25 PM

    Tom

    Yeah I read that CH2 article on Dawn.

    I guess we are not happy with experienced writers like Abbasi or Shafqat and also these rookie writers.

  37. #38 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 6:50 PM

    Qibla ks

    its a statistical study. The red lines in the blog show the calculations and their basis. To dismiss such a study, you need a counter study. It aint an opinion!

  38. #39 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 7:16 PM

    KS

    strauss has already said that england has a tough year. series against followed by SL (away) and home series against WI and SA.

    for england to maintain their no1 ranking ,its important that they play well in all these contests. so they are not taking pk lightly.

  39. #40 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 7:45 PM

    what is this Ch2Che trying to say in the DAWN blog? I fail to understand the jist or the essence of his article, may be I am stupid.

  40. #41 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 8:33 PM

    This sulphate says afridi is being given more credit tham mesbha by primetime tv. He defends mesbha for not chasing targets as LOGICAL -BS. He’s comparing him with Imran by saying both had same approach. As imran is considered to be greatest paki capt, he’s implying this guy is best afterb Imran – haha….

    He doesnt even know imran beat india in india, england in england and drew with mighty WI when they had 4 fearsome bowlers. Can mesbha beat India in India, England in England? there is moree ch2’s in his article… Bhadr mein jaee

    P.S in comment 32 I made a waqqa blunder when I said aussie batsmen licking their tongues. It should be licking their lips.

  41. #42 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 8:36 PM

    KS

    its not whether we are happy or unhappy, our argument is based on -ve batsmanship and focus on draws. zimbabwe chased 350 odd against NZ and lost. they didnt play for a draw. these writers irrespective of their pedigree dont realise this. There is no issue of sentiments.

  42. #43 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 10:14 PM

    Zen

    When I provide tables and statistics it is considered to be opinion or pro Tendulkar bias but when someone else does that it becomes a study?

    I have already provided lots of stats and studies with reference to Misbah, Shoaib Akhtar, Waqar, Tendulkar, Lara, all great batsmen, Bradman etc and that wealth of stats is my weapon to counter this CH2 who wrote that article.

  43. #44 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 10:15 PM

    Tom

    England need to prove this, that they are serious about the no 1 ranking because the way they played in India did not make it seem so.

    They need to come back very strongly.

  44. #45 by Aatma-hathya on November 26, 2011 - 10:17 PM

    Zen

    I have been thinking about Imran Farhat.

    When so many people in Pakistan play cricket or are fanatic about cricket, it must be obvious that Farhat has poor footwork and can’t time the ball.

    Why do they tolerate him then? If such pathetic technique can get you an average in the 30s then surely good technique can get you a better average.

  45. #46 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 10:42 PM

    Ks

    if u r referring to the dawn blog thats garbage. But if u r talking about the cricinfo article about hundred, thats research. The guy who’s written it is either a statistician or he’s someone who knows how to use statistical software.

    What disappoints u more- results or quality of research. See either i dismiss the research completely or i disagree with the research. But i have to provide technical arguments to augment my view. Having said that, the author doesnt claim his work to be binding.

  46. #47 by Zen on November 26, 2011 - 10:46 PM

    Amaan ks

    aap farhat ko chodrey. Ye bataye kaptaan cool kis intl team mein select ho sakta hae- bataur player not as a capt.

    India,sa, aus,eng mein wo jaga nahi bana sakta.rah gaya nz,sl aur wi, to yeh to captaan ka level hae phir farhat pe kya rona.

    Bandar ke hath coconut laga to cool bangya.

  47. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 11:33 PM

    So, basically that Ch2ChemA is saying what I have said on the blog in a satirical way, and he seriously believes that after Amraan Khan it is only this Ch2Msb4 ul Haq is the next great captain? Allah nay banayee Joree, Ek Andhaa, Ek Koree! (Albino).

    In my opinion NONE of these cricket players including Imran Khan and Tendulkar are role models for their country. They are good players yes, but role models, HELL NO. Imran is slightly an above average person in terms of intellectuality, the rest are duffers and dummies in academics and in terms of ethics and morality which hasn’t touched them – we have seen so many corrupt players including the current PK trio – So why should they be a role model for anyone? Especially the younger generation should realize that these are only cricket players and they must restrict them to the extent of cricket and not beyond that. It is dangerous for them to keep on idolizing them and chipkaO-ing their posters on all the walls of their bedroom. The same goes for Mollywood actors and actresses, they are another breed of nuts, duds and gashtees.

  48. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 11:42 PM

    newguy

    Since I did not follow the match on the last day, I only read the scores after the draw and knew nothing about the details. I just read the details of the last over on cricinfo and it surprises me that, India needed only 3 runs in the last over with 2 wickets in hand and all they managed is a draw???????????

    I thought they needed 9 runs in the last over and may be I got it confused with yesterday’s T20 against SL.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-west-indies-2011/content/current/story/542209.html

  49. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 26, 2011 - 11:54 PM

    Zera is MC ko dekho, just look at the sinister approach of this Phatta Baja, he has given is own JINGOISTIC blue print to the Chairman of the PCB, knowing that he has no cricket background and he will fall for his suggestion. I think 9/10 idiots will think that Ramiz is right and they will go for it. What will be the result? SAME OLD BUNCH OF CLOWNS WILL BE BACK IN POWER ONCE AGAIN. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE NO PLACE FOR THESE UNEDUCATED, UNCOUTH AND CORRUPT CRICKET PLAYERS IN THE MANAGEMENT OR, IN THE SELECTION OF THE TEAM. After all hockey and soccer is not run by ex-players and they are all professionals who are running the show.

    **************

    KARACHI: Former captain Rameez Raja has turned down an offer from the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to work as its chief operating officer.

    ‘‘Rameez politely thanked the chairman for his offer and turned it down saying he does not have the time due to his commitments as a commentator and expert in the next few months,” reliable sources in the PCB said on Friday.

    Rameez, however, has given his own blueprint to the new chairman on how to improve the Pakistan cricket structure and functioning of the board.

    “He wants the chairman to immediately appoint a cricket committee made up of former greats who can submit a list of things that need to be done to improve things in the Pakistan cricket set-up,” the sources added.

    Rameez, after retiring from cricket, stepped into the media world becoming a respected commentator, expert and host in Pakistan and abroad.

    He has also worked before as the chief executive of the PCB in 2003-2004

  50. #51 by NewGuy on November 27, 2011 - 12:01 AM

    JK,

    India needed only 3 runs, but as you saw in the linked commentary 4 balls were faced by Aaron who is a tail ender with not much domestic experience either. It was not easy for him to score off Edwards who was bowling fast. Then last two Ashwin could only get two runs. These things happen when inexperienced #8 and #10 are playing. This is why one of the seniors should have stayed till the end.

  51. #52 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 12:37 AM

    newguy

    so, the bottom line is you blame tendulkar more than others, right? 😀

  52. #53 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 2:11 AM

    Newguy

    if iam not mistaken india needed 12 odd runs in 4 ovrs wth 3 wkts in hand. Infact once WI got out and wth the sort of start india got, they were favorites but WI snatched a draw. Thats why on cricinfo theres a beaming photo of sammy after the match showing his delight ovr the draw.
    You have held tendulkar responsbl for the draw in ur previous comments just like we believe kheera drew many winnable test matches.

    Thats why we criticize mesbha and there aint any agenda to promote any other player over him.

  53. #54 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 2:14 AM

    Khasees must have givn a blue film to zakat. 😀

  54. #55 by NewGuy on November 27, 2011 - 3:30 AM

    Well … comparing Tendulkar to Misbah ???

    One should expect match winning knocks from a batsman like Tendulkar, asking Misbah to do same is not fair, they are not of same caliber. Misbah is doing what he can up to his abilities.

    I don’t blame Tendulkar more than others in the Indian team, because I believe there at least three others in the team who are equally capable, Sehwag, Dravid, and Laxman. Each one of them played their bit, I blame Tendulkar for not playing his bit in last innings. At one point there was Tendulkar and there were the rest, difference in ability was huge, but with the other three mentioned above in the team, they more or less equal or exceed him.

  55. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 4:26 AM

    NewGuy

    Why do you have to blame Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman? Sehwag gave a good start that India needed, a quickfire 60 in 65 balls. The other two scored 30 odd runs each and you were expecting Tendulkar to score 30 odd runs which he didn’t in fact he did not stay on the crease for more than 6 balls. Then it was Kohli who played a solid innings of 63 runs whereas, your champion captain batsman Dhoni failed when he was expected to carry his bat through. So, blame Dhoni as well, in fact he was playing down the order and he should have taken the responsibility on his shoulders (rather than his good head on his shoulders as Waqar says) he scored only 13 runs.

    In any case despite the rumours of constructing a highway 100 for Tendulkar to zoom past the milestone in his Ferrari (which I believe is always in his garage) instead he took out his Pad-mini car jis ka 90’s may axle toot jaata hai, tou ye tou hona hee thaa! 😀

    Misbah and Tendulkar may be of different caliber, one is .22 and the other is 375 magnum in terms of records but, both are in the same category when it comes to personal milestones, they use an airgun instead of canon balls.

  56. #57 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 5:14 AM

    tom

    Neeli aur Reema ki filmain tou purani kahani hai aaj kal tou har cheez live chalti hai vo bhee sirf 2 paon per, jaisay Veena aur Nargus ka live show etc. Since khasis et all are from La’hore jo kay sirf doodh aur dahee kay liyeh hee mash-hoor nahee hai, there is no dearth in diamonds and topaz in that market, aur her kisi kay paas ek nagina hota hai jo kisi aur kay liyeh hota hai. Agar aap wahan ka “Joghrafia” dekhain tou “Tareekh” ka bhee pata chal jaata hai jahan har niswani jawani apnay “aikhlaaq” aur “tamaddun” ko numaya hudd tak pesh kerti hai, jis ko dekh ker Moghul tou kya Angraiz bhee kharray ho jatay thay!

    From the Slave Dynasty to the end of Moghul Empire, every single invasion on India came from the north, the only small resistance they faced was at the Khyber and Bolan passes where the Pashtuns with their limited resources tried in vain to stop them. Once that hurdle was crossed, there was no resistance in Punjab, balkay Ulta Aao Bhagat hoa kerti thee, tamboo aur shamiyanay laga kertay thay, sirf doodh aur dahee hee nahee gaye, bhains, bakriyaan aur choozay bhee pesh kiyeh jaatay thayy … The pitched battles took place at Panipat to protect Delhi from any invasion, and in all 3 battles of Panipat the home team lost bakaoz of the “flate trake.”

  57. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 5:27 AM

    LOL @ this news in DAWN newspaper: “PM, FM MEET PRESIDENT: President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani and Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani met at the presidency before the DCC meeting to take stock of the situation and discuss response options.” This is like “Razia Ghundaon May Phuss Gayee!” 😀

    This is in response to the US drone attack that killed PK soldiers, Gillani’s protests are like he is BEGGING! Ch2yum Sulphate.

  58. #59 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 8:55 AM

    Newgy u say 10dulkar never won matches; same is case with mesbha. he never won matches. Infact he prefers draws just like India got yesterday. had it been pakistan yesterday, then would managed 120 odd runs with mesbha playing block block. what India achieved was a tie. So, 10dulkar fails to deliver and mesbha never attempts to deliver. If one doesnt make an attempt, it doesnt exonerate him as much as the one who attempts and fails. yet both are cherished in their societies for records. mesbha for draws and 10dulkr for 100 centuries.

    However, you seem to acknowledge that India should look beyond this century thing and concentrate on cricket. likewise, we also feel draws shouldnt be the aim but team should have a positive, aggressive mindset.

  59. #60 by Mohammed Munir on November 27, 2011 - 9:03 AM

    Very well written new thread.

    Good analysis, nice examples, highly intellectual criticism with top notch selection of words and very appropriate poetry. This article is based on all facts and there is not a hint of biasness, prejudice or favoritism.

    Totally honest views are expressed in a well-balanced way, giving an example of very fair journalism.

    I think we should be lucky to see a few more of such ‘grate’ threads.

    Absolute gem !!

    PS: “and that is because, I am speaking the truth”. 😉

  60. #61 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 9:04 AM

    jak

    10dulkar is India’s frontline batsmen. he’s just like steyn in bowling for SA, KP in batting for england. so if he doesnt deliver and others also fail, he still must face the music. this year has been all Dravid and yet very little praise has been showered upon him. Its a clear case of heart ruling the head where a favorite is given more preffered treatment over other performers.

    Ponting is struggling and inspite of his greatness he’s been now repeatedly asked to quit. but in sub-continent we tend to idiolize players.They are never asked to retire if they are favorites.

    Even warne was once dumped in WI and Mcgill was seected whn warne’s performance dropped. Anyway, we can only give our input, lets see how story of these two greats ( 10dulkar and mesbha ) goes.

    great to hae bhai, heera hae “k” ke saath 😉

  61. #62 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 9:07 AM

    Munir

    thank you for your complimentsss……………………….. 😀

    your encouragement would help us in improving further! 😉

  62. #63 by Mohammed Munir on November 27, 2011 - 9:55 AM


    … your encouragement would help us in improving further!

    Who is this us

    Kiya Yeh Neya Thread Aap Nein Likha Tha ❓ :confuse:

  63. #64 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 9:58 AM

    Satire is not only restricted to this blog

    I always found this humorous!

    Allah marhum ke darjaat buland kare

  64. #65 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 10:06 AM

    Nahi huzoor, thread ke sath comments ki salad bhi to hae

    zaahir hae baghair salad ke khane ka mazaa adhura hae

    Us mein hab sub hain 😉

  65. #66 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 11:07 AM

    Munir

    Even if you have not highlighted the bottom line, I would have still known that you are speaking from the BUTT of your heart, kon kehta hai kay succhai chhupp nahee sakti banawat kay “Asoolaon” say? Array bhai duniya chalti hai banawat kay usoolaon say, agar mai nay ek bar banawati such bola tou koi kufr tola? The reason I did not speak the khalas truth b4 is, bakaoz a few good men “cannot handle the truth.” Now, avry budy likes banawati asool and sucha jhoot.

    Pakastan kay saray akhbaraat, media, TV and the so-called MC ex-greats Masbah ki tareef kay na sirf pull bandh rehay hain balkay zameen O asmaan kay qulabay mila rehay hain. Ubb dekho MC ka matbal vo nahee jo tum samajh rehay ho, it also means “Male Chauvinist.” Sab ko pata hai kay Pakastan may Patriarchy bharee paree hai aur mardon ki domination hai, hai kay nahee? Tabhee tou Mardum Shumari hoti hai varna, Aurat Shumari bhee ho sakti hai, hai kay nahee?

    Phutta Baja apnay moonh say apnay aap ko EX-GREAT kehta hai, kis cheez may great tha vo, vohi jaanta hai. That is why I chose the word, ‘grate’ as a transition verb for Masbah bakaoz he can annoy and irritate persistently with his slow batting but, with his cool cucumber demeanor it appears that he is playing a solid match drawing innings. (Ye intel-actual baat hai, hai kay nahee?) secondly, I used the word ‘tusi’ which is greater and more respectful than the word, ‘aap’ tusi mano ya na mano, sara Pakastan ye baat maanay ga aur kahay ga, “I am agree”. Thirdly, I pronounced his name correctly i.e., how they all call him. Tou burai kya hoi? Acchi hee baat kahee thee na? 😀 Kya zamana agaya log acchi baat ko kharab baat samajhtay hain.

  66. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 11:20 AM

    Program “Studio Dhaai” ko uss waqt kay Waqafi Vazeer Bidoon Portfolio Izzat Ma’aab, Sir Taj-e-Bay Nazeer, Hakeem us Siyasat-e-Ghunda Gardi, Shahen Shah e Dakait, Sultan ul Uloo(m), jo God ko Gaod aur stength ko strent likhtay hain, uss time yani BV ki hukmarani kay daur may is program ko bandh ker diya thaa……. VAJAH? Unki shaan may gustakhi hoi thee…

    As a Federal Minister without Portfolio when he went to inspect the floods in Multan, upon his return to Islamabad and the media gathered around him and asked him his views about the Sailaab?

    Marhoom role play ker rehay thayy, farmaya:

    Idher Paani
    Udher Paani
    Har Taraf Paani
    Paani hee Paani
    And, “No Soda!”

    Phir Neeli aur Reema ko Sailaab say Mushabayhat dee kay vo kisi sailaab say kum naheen, buss Huzoor kay Jalal nay Anwar Maqsood kay program ko ban ker diya! At that time it was one of the best TV shows, especially the one in which Moin Akhtar acted as a Mini Bus Dray-Werrrr. Its hilarious.

  67. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 11:41 AM

    Tarkari ka bhee jawab nahee, apni hukmarani may her terha ka goshat rekha hai:

    Beef Sialkoti Bong
    Veal Cherry tomato
    Mutton Karai Kababni

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/27/khar-conveys-rage-over-nato-strike-to-hillary.html

  68. #69 by Mohammed Munir on November 27, 2011 - 11:41 AM

    Javed Khan …

    One thing is becoming more and more obvious now, that is the more these highly respectable experts (Dr. Kamran Abbasi, Dr. Saad Shafqat, Osman Samiuddin) or even the lesser known writers or the ex-players and commentators are praising and appreciating Misbah, the more you are getting upset. I wonder why ❓ 🙄

    And it seems that although you are addressing your comments to me, but it is pretty evident that you are very perturbed with all these guys praising Misbah and your comments seem to be in response to them.

    Bola Beti Ko, Aur Sunaaya Bahu Ko. 😉

    So you are taking all your ‘Ghussa’ on me, NewGuy and Boom Boom (no surely not Afridi), but our new blogger Boom Boom. 😉

    Chill Kar Yaar ………. Misbah Ko Daffa Maar, he is not worth our so much of energy, not even negative energy. (Atleast not for me).

  69. #70 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 11:43 AM

    EX Great!

    Ye munh aur masur ki daal

    tabhi kheera isko pasand hae, 1992 mein world cup mein WI ke khilaf 150 ball mein sekdra mara tha. 220/2 out aur commentator kah rahe they 2 wkt par 250 to karne chaye, minimum.

    ye ex nahi X hae, isilye blueprint ki bat karta hae.

  70. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 11:52 AM

    Array Munir Bahu Rani hum nay tum ko jo sunai vo sirf tumhee ko sunai. I don’t care about those people and I have email addresses of both of them, I can write them directly but, there is no need for me to address them through this blog. Despite your knowing me through blogs and even through email for the last 5-6 years, you still don’t know me? I never get rilled up or what you call, ‘perturbed’ by anyone, bakaoz with the click of a mouse this window gets closed and I have a real life to live and Alhamdolillah I enjoy every bit of it.

    Tum say ghussa kion keronga bhai? Aur wo bhee Masbah kay liyeh? Btw, that boom boom is not a new blogger but the same old abdul ch2so4, theossa ki jis par nazr-e-karam hai. 😀 Aur likhne say tumharee energy consume hoti hai? Bhai mai tou charged hota hoon 😀 magar ghussay may nahee, bus masti may!

  71. #72 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 12:03 PM

    Yuvraj singh suffering from lung tumor

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=39448&CID=3

  72. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    Yeah, I have read that it is on cricinfo also and they have mentioned, “Yuvraj battling non-malignant tumor,” generally it is referred as “Benign” instead of non-malignant but, cricinfo guys are very nerdy and they invent new words like that Ch2Chem of DAWN blog he calls himself, Sports Nerd.

  73. #74 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 12:20 PM

    qibla ks

    kahan hae

    sunday ko picnic mana rahe?

  74. #75 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 12:25 PM

    ik asks smq to joihn his party

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=27402

  75. #76 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 12:26 PM

    larak pun khel may khoya
    Jawani neend bhur soya
    khansahab ka vohi qissa purana hai
    Sunday ko dare tak sona
    Monday ko unhay chahiyeh mona

    Goh haath may junbish nahee
    Aankhaon may tou dam hai
    Baithnay do sona aur mona ko mere aagay!

  76. #77 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 12:28 PM

    It is 7:30 am here and I must go and have my breakfast VARNA MUNIR will ask again:

    Naashtay may kya khaya? (ye meray khanay ka hisaab rekhta hai, jisay mai nay isko bill dena hai?)

  77. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 12:31 PM

    It is about time that SMQ should take the cat out of the bag and end this long SAAS KI PENCE.

  78. #79 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 2:38 PM

    SMQ is now a PTI member.

    Congrats to Munir bhai, Javed A Khan and Zen.

    They have announced they are on a crusade to save Pakistan.

  79. #80 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 2:41 PM

    Zen

    Qibla thori tabiyaat nasaaz hai aaj kal

    Uthey bhai, thora sa raks kiya, paan khaya, nazm likhi, “Gul e Shabista”

    Phir Janab Imran Kha aur Shah Mahmood sahib ki taqreer suni.

    Phir sey paan khaya aur Sehgal ko thora suna

    Bas yehi aalam hai hamara

    Aap sunaiye.

  80. #81 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 2:43 PM

    Yuvraj is CH2 cricketer, if he had a brain he would have been a world class batsman and a very good bowler.

  81. #82 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 3:10 PM

    Arey Allah aapko shifa dey

    kisi malishye ya malishyan ( malaysian nahi kah raha) ki khidmat ligye.

    aaram farmaye

    hum ne itwaar ko ghar key kuch kaam nimtaye

    aap hazraat se alek salek ki

    thoda news dekhi- smq aur ik ka ilhaaq

    ummeed hae kae kuch behtari aaegi, baharhaal abhi kuch kehna qabl az waqt hae

    ye aap ko raks ki kya ssoojhi?

    kahen bollywood ka irada hae?

  82. #83 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 3:15 PM

    Qibla bare sagheer mein aise bohot ch2 hain

    qudrat ne nawaza par hurkaton mein gunwaya

  83. #84 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 3:20 PM

    Zen bhaiyya

    Shukriya hamari chokat par aakay khiraaj e tahseem paish karnay ka. Bus bhai aap jaisey shurfa pooch letey hain, hamay iss sey hi hosla daryaaft hota hai.

    Raks ki waja yeh hai, Manna Dey or Sehgal ki soorili awaaz mai hum goongunaney ka shoq rakhtay hain. kabhi shair o shayari key kaafley mai dhoon sey parnay ka bhi ji karta hai.

  84. #85 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 3:25 PM

    Qibla aaj aur kal hum shayad thoray masroof hon aur is nafees mehfil mai shirkat nahi kar sakhein

    Aap ki zira nawazi ka bohot shukriya

    Ghaliban unnattees tareekh to Pakistan aur Bangladesh ka bat ball ka maich hai, zaroor apni tashreef iss mehfil mai layen gey.

  85. #86 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 3:28 PM

    Qibla

    ye nacheez kisi ko kya dega. AAp theek hojae, ye axchi baat hogi

    qibla, kuch muhtaat rahen kahen koi pattha na khich jae.

    hum aap ki khidmat mein ek item paish kar rahe hain, agar mun chaye to padhre warna jaane dein.

    ye tabsra media aur test cricketers ka 10dulkar ki century ke hawale se rawyye par hae

    agar aap is mauzu se ukta chuke hae to beshak na padhre, hum nahi chate aap ka tabiat nasaaz ho.

    http://cricket.yahoo.com/blogs/article-the-case-against-personal-records_16439

  86. #87 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 3:33 PM

    qibla aap apni tarjeehat behtar samjhte hogain

    masroofyat to ab har ek ki badh rahi hae

    jo ahbab rozana milte they wo ab haftun balkey maheno mein mushkil se milte hain

    mein asli aur takheeulati ( physical , virtual) dono jahano ki bat kar raha hun.

    zahir hain waqt ke saath tafreehat ka moqua kum hojata hae

    ab hum rukhsat chahenge, dekhe kab aap se taakra hota hae 😉

  87. #88 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 3:50 PM

    Miyan zen

    Joh hamay sher o shayari sey shagaf hai, aur jo aap sey guftugu aur tabsaray karney ka lutf mahsoos hota hai, ghaliban uss ki inteha aap pehchaan na sakay

    Janab dar asl nacheez kal sheher sey tashreef baahir leh ja raha hai aur is carvaan ki tayari mai aaj kuch masroof hai.

    Aainda Aap hazrat sey urdu zaban par tabsara hoga.

    Kyun key hum is zaban key ahel hain aur iss ki loch aur khanak sey waaqif hain. Lafzon key is hujoom aur chashni aur shaistigi keh parastar hai.

    Aur qibla jab yeh ilm hua keh aap bhi lucknow sey taaluq rakhtay hain toh phir hum bohot lutf andoz huey

  88. #89 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 4:12 PM

    Qibla

    abhi hum muarfat ke zeene par chadr rahe hain aur agahi ka safr abhi mukammal nahi hua, lihazfa inteha ka idraak abhi hamari ahliyat se bahr hae

    aap jaise ahle ilm ki sohbat hamare zahn ke band dareechon ko kholegi.

    Qibla ab mazeed makhan shair mein nahi mil raha isi lye hum tawaquf farma rahe hain (hehe…)

    baharhaal aap ki apniyat aur khuloos par hum mamnun hae.

  89. #90 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 4:14 PM

    What I fail to understand is, why “NOW” people are paying so much attention to our criticism on Misbah? Whereas, we have been doing this since the last 2-3 years. We did the same thing 5-6 years ago when Malik was appointed as captain of the Pakistan team. When I wrote this comment (below) on cricinfo PakSpin in response to Kamran Abassi’s praise on him, I got a lot of criticism and even abuse from Malik’s supporters, they used words like, lapdog, pig etc., and the irony is PS management did not delete those comments. Anyways, here is my comment on Shoaib Malik, see what I said then, and now, what people think of him? It takes time for some people to understand the difference between aaj ka Unda aur kal ki murghi.

    ******

    Shoaib Malik needs to reassess and redefine his own role in the team. The questions people now ask is: Is he an all-rounder? Or, a top order batsman, a middle order player or just a floater in the team? If he can identify his role in the team, then comes the hard part of it i.e., the role of leadership or captaincy that kicks in. People say, “Rome wasn’t built in a day,” likewise, leaders cannot win battles from day one, they require time to mature and Malik is still a very “young captain”! A battle lost cannot be won again, you only need to fight another battle. Two important things missing here is, Malik’s own self-belief and attitude, which are the prerequisites for a leader or a captain.

    This aspect of choosing a captain is based on attitude, values and competence and that should have been at the forefront of the agenda of those who selected him as a captain. It was decided by a group of people acting like a politburo, in a totally off-the-cuff management style and more so on ad hoc basis. Unfortunately, Malik has not only fallen flat in every aspect of this tour or the SA series at home, but he has also failed his selectors because of his attitude and lack of self-belief. You can teach someone the right knowledge and skills, but you can’t teach attitude. The following equation sums up the point:

    Results = Attitude + Values + Competence
    The results speaks about everything. The management gurus say that attitude, if it is used properly and positively can help you in achieving your own goals as well as your collective goals & objectives also, you get attention and acceptance as a leader. Otherwise, life would be a perpetual flea hunt if you were obliged to run down all the innuendos, inveracities, insinuations and even misrepresentations which are uttered against you. If Malik thinks that captaincy is a menial job for “His Master’s Voice,” i.e., for “His Selectors,” then, he needs to be reminded through this famous quote of Sir William Bennett: “There are no menial jobs, only menial attitudes.” To succeed, Malik needs to break the shackles of his mental bondage and menial attitude.

  90. #91 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 27, 2011 - 4:20 PM

    khansahab

    Do you remember whenever Malik lost a match or the series, they used to say, he is still a very young captain. And, Malik’s template was “We are learning from our mistakes.” It took a long time for people like Abdul Qadir and Intikhab Alam to discover Malik’s Meesna pan. Inti said, he eats your brain like a termite. And, Qadir said, he wanted to send Malik back to Pakistan from the UAE because he is a dog in the manger.

    We talked about Salman Butt, Kamran Akmal, Rana Nayee and a few others that they spread jingoism in the team, no one believed us. But, now after they’ve inflicted the damage to the team, people are saying, haaan sahee hai………. but some people are still supporting them, Malik is back in the team despite Pathetic performance. Kamran is trying his best to come back, Rana failed because of his age now. Butt is in Jail for 30 months and a few people want him, Aamir and Asif back in the team, how digustipatingly pathetic?

    So, I am not surprized if the whole nation is supporting Masbah ul.

  91. #92 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 6:21 PM

    Afridi, Waqar bury hatchet after a chat

    KARACHI: Shahid Afridi’s dispute with former coach Waqar Younis which cost him the captaincy of Pakistan’s cricket team has been resolved after the two met up during the recent series against Sri Lanka in the UAE.

    Waqar confirmed that he met Afridi during the one-day series against Sri Lanka in Dubai and had a discussion on the differences between them.

    The dispute between the two star players erupted into the open after the Pakistan team’s tour to the West Indies this year.

    Afridi, who was captain of the one-day side, on returning home lambasted Waqar for interfering in his domain and making his job more difficult.

    Later it was confirmed that the differences between the two had led to Afridi walking out twice from team meetings during the ODI series in the West Indies.

    Afridi’s comments led to him being stripped as captain of the one-day side and his subsequent announcement of retirement in protest.

    The all-rounder returned to the side for the series in the UAE after Zaka Ashraf took over as Chairman of the board and gave a hearing to the former captain.

    Although Waqar had stepped down as head coach of the team in September due to personal and health reasons, he was in the UAE for commentary work with the broadcasters of the series.

    “Look when you work together like I and Shahid did you have such difference of opinions and disagreements and that is exactly what happened with us. But in the end what is important is that both of us just wanted to see Pakistan cricket do well,” Waqar said.

    “The differences were mirrored because Shahid gave some statements in the press and I responded. But now it is normal between us.”

    Waqar also made it clear that he stepped down because of his health problem.

    “It is a wrong impression that I made any excuse to step down and the real reason was that I was not happy with the board. The truth is doctors have advised me to stay away from jobs and work that carries lot of pressure as I am suffering from a liver ailment. That is why I resigned as coach.

    “I am doing commentary now because it is not a pressure job and I can manage my health properly,” the former pacer said.

    The former captain said he was absolutely delighted with the performance of the Pakistan team.

    “I think the hard work we put into rebuilding the side and encouraging the new players is now paying dividends.

    “Imagine we are without Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Aamer, Wahab Riaz, Kamran Akmal or Danish Kaneria and yet the team is doing well. It just highlights the depth of talent we have in our cricket,” he noted.

  92. #93 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 6:25 PM

    ICC should be congratulated for bringing in new ODI rules: Mohsin Khan

    Karachi, Nov 26(ANI): The International Cricket Council (ICC)’s decision to change the batting powerplay rules and use of new balls at each end has provided an edge for the bowlers in one-day cricket, interim Pakistan coach Mohsin Khan has said.

    “Previously once the ball became older and softer the batsmen would have a field day and generally dominate the bowlers, but now with the introduction of the new rules I think it has evened things up and has made the battle between bat and ball a more competitive one in one day cricket,” PakPassion.net quoted Khan, as saying.

    “Even as a former batsman I’m really glad that the change of rules has been implemented as I was starting to feel sorry for the bowlers in the 50 over format of cricket, with wides being called for deliveries slightly down the leg side, free hits from no balls and bouncer restrictions,” he added.

    He further said that the ICC should be congratulated for bringing in the new rules which have made one day cricket more competitive again instead of it being a batsman friendly format of cricket.

    “It may well be that in future after teams and coaches have had more time to analyse the rule changes, we may go back to 300 plus in 50 overs, but at this moment the rule changes are excellent and have made one day cricket a more even contest once again which can only be good for the game of cricket,” Khan said. (ANI)

  93. #94 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 6:35 PM

    KS

    jhoot booley kawaa katey

    qibla, mein ney ye kab kaha tha mera taluq lucknow se hae

  94. #95 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 6:39 PM

    Mohsun halwai jhoota, waqqa convent padha doosra jhoota!

    afridi ne perform kya to sara jhagdra khatam

  95. #96 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 6:41 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Yes, I remember there was a time when only you used to criticise Malik and everyone used to support him. I also used to support him when he was batting at no 3 and average 40+ in that position (he was doing a better job than Younis). But, eventually as he rose amongst the ranks he showed his mediocrity and then some of his personality traits were also dubious.

    The moment Pakistan face a high pressure contest or stiff challenge, Misbah will appear to be mediocre and then everyone will start criticising him.

  96. #97 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 6:44 PM

    Zen

    Lucknow nahi toh Barilley?

    Shaistigi key husool key muqabley mai Lucknavi tehzeeb aur Berelvi tehzeeb sar e fehrist hain aur aap ka talluq Barilley sey lagta hai. Woh talaffuz aur lafzon par qabu sirf wahan ki saqafat ki hi paidawar ho sakti hai.

  97. #98 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 6:48 PM

    Qibla

    nacheez barelviyun se khas unsiyat rakhta hae. hamare susarji bhi usi maktab e fiqr se taluq rakhte hain

    Agar gustakhi na samjhen, to ek baat arz karun

    Aap ke sath urdu baat karne ka lutf apni jaga, magr ek ishkaal uth ta hae

    hamare bohot se qari urdu puri tarh samjh na paenge jaise ke bhai naye aadmi

    kahen ye ghalt tasur na baney ke hum dono doosro ko nazr andaaz kar rahe hain

    ye meri raye hain, aap mustafeed farmaye

  98. #99 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 6:59 PM

    Zen

    Lol

    I don’t usually understand your Urdu anyway. I am only guessing as to what you mean by this barrage of alien words.

  99. #100 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 7:00 PM

    Mohsin Khan warns Pakistan against complacency vs Bangladesh.

    Timely warning I think.

  100. #101 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 7:01 PM

    Qibla

    aap pehle he kahdete. I WOULD HAVE STOPPED!

    anyway i wish u good health and a safe journey.

    my urdu is patheticccccccccccccc……………..

    and so is my englishhhhhhhhhhh………………

  101. #102 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 7:02 PM

    I dont think his warning will be heeded.

    we may see a few surprises.

  102. #103 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 7:22 PM

    Tom

    You are too modest. You write better Urdu and English than most Pakistanis. Neither of them are your mother tongues too, so you should receive more credit.

  103. #104 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 7:23 PM

    Nah Zen, I think Bangla should be easy enough to trounce.

  104. #105 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 8:19 PM

    KS

    come on, on one hand u say u cant understand my urdu and yet you are praising me. Arent u being a little naughty 😉

    Well as I said being in karachi exposed me to a mahajersque environment.

    but my english needs a lot of improvement still. iam not impressed by my english!

    See I made a tongue blooper yesterday and screwed the idiom. i know ill fall short in certain situations and i need to work harder.

  105. #106 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 8:23 PM

    KS

    bangla is not expected to win and for the first time is expected to win. previously even if he would have lost, the opposition was good enough to understand reasons behind a defeat which never occured- sa, sl, wi,etc. zimbabwe was an exception as they reentered world ckt.

    if bangla counters spinners which aint easy you might see a few surprises. surprises doesnt mean thweyll win, it means it would be a tough contest!

  106. #107 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 8:28 PM

    What i mean is this the first series mesbha is supposed to win hands on. with all the cool talk, it is for granted that pk will win, just like ur saying. sometimes, in such cases strange things do happen.

    remember, they ousteed India from WC in 07.

  107. #108 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 9:54 PM

    Zen

    After the Bangladesh tour Pakistan will move to no 4 in ODI rankings and no 5 in Test rankings.

    Expect more Misbah mania.

  108. #109 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 9:56 PM

    Zen

    I’m not concerned about these “tough contests” you mention because even Zimbabwe gave Pakistan some scares in the Test series recently.

    Misbah for whatever reason likes to take the game right to the end so, some tough contests are always around the corner.

  109. #110 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 10:02 PM

    Aray bhai Zen, everyone makes a blooper every now and then unknowingly. I am sure I make lots of bloopers because I generally either don’t read my comments after I’ve typed the first draft, or I skim read them because I am sure the meaning will be conveyed.

    As an example, I once wrote, “A dying man will clutch a straw” instead of, “A drowning man will clutch a straw”. This does not mean that I don’t know what the correct phrase is- sometimes you just write wrong things. I didn’t re-read this comment especially but only came across it when I was trying to find something else and then I wondered, “What have I written there”?

    Firstly, some people do use “dying” for “drowning” in that specific regard and secondly, the meaning I would have been trying to convey would have carried, so it is not something I would sweat about. In the same way, no harm done if you think you screwed an idiom or whatever.

    This is not an English class and I think everyone here is educated enough to realise who is educated and who is not.

  110. #111 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 10:25 PM

    Ks

    its true it aint an english class and situations i referd to were not primarily abt blogging. But to explain my point, i had to cite an example which u also came across thats why i mentioned that idiom. Here if u notice, im quite casual in my cumments.

    Having said that, some mistakes r unacceptable regardless whr u make them. Like a man was killed by an ox and narrator said cow’s husband. Or ur all time favorite ‘im agree’. Whether ganja says it on tv or we say it here, it would be made fun of.

    But qibla if u feel its ok to mess things up to a degree, then waqqa has a rite to protest. U guys have shreded him and even i joind u. Waqqa should feel aggrieved whn we make fun of his ‘a rain’ or useful milk . 😉

    so we all are human and so is waqqa

    a to a err is a human

  111. #112 by Zen on November 27, 2011 - 10:31 PM

    KS

    Mesbha will end up screwing a match; thats my hunch and it could be this series.

    Stranger things have happened in crckt. I understand the way u feel but what im sayng let this series commence and wel see coolness or clumsiness.

    Hav a safe voyage!

  112. #113 by Aatma-hathya on November 27, 2011 - 10:34 PM

    Zen

    I don’t think you were on this blog when I wrote the following in a blog about poor English by Pakistani commentators:

    Finally, there is the big daddy of English commentary. It is difficult to attribute description to Waqar Younis’s English. Waqar seems to have created his own language. His accent is a mixture of Australian English, Pakistani English and Punjabi. Waqar’s problem is not just that his grammar or pronunciation is poor. Waqar has this uncanny habit for using wrong names for people. Why would he call Jayasuriya, “Mohammad Jayasuriya”? Why would he call Vettori, “Danish Vettori”? Why would he insert the letter “a” before everything to the extent that, Danish Kaneria is called, “a Danish” or the words, “room”, “grass” etc become “a room” and “a grass”? This is more than merely amusing. It is unfathomable, it is a condition, a psyche unknown to man. It is a state of mind that no science, rationality or logic can explain.

    I think this will explain why Waqqa is scrutinised so much. He is a different case altogether 😀

  113. #114 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2011 - 3:45 AM

    Array bhai, Urdu kay peechay itna kion purrh gaye? Pakastani zuban bolo bus.

    When they say aapka Tallak peechay say kahan say hai? I ask, what do you mean by peechay say? They reply jaisay hum peechay say Rajput hain, ya Mogul hain, I make the turn and look at their back and reply, “Lagtay tou nahee, shayed honge?” That embarress them a lot especially when a Pathan is inspecting their back 😉

    Kayee baar mai nay kaha kay bhai Urdu ki itni fikr na kerain kion kay “Aati hai Urdu zubaaN aatay aatay.” The question that was posed was, “Gayee kahan thee?”

    Ek sahab nay ek purani tasveer dikhai jis may vo apni Maa kay sath kharay hain, aur kaha ye meri Maa hai……. I interruped and said, “Accha tou ye tab ki hai jab Aatish jawan thaa?” The reply was, “Naheeeeeeeeeeeee, ye Aatish nahee, ye MAI hoon?” Mai nay socha, “Row-oon dil ko, kay peetoon jigar ko mai?”

    Aur unki Angrezi ka bhee yehi haal hai, kafi din baad maosoof milay kuch vazun kam laga mujhay aur may nay kaha, “you are slimming down.” Unn sahab nay pehlay tou kaha ACCHA? Aur phir jhukk ker apni taangon ko dekha aur phir TONDE per hath phair ker kaha, “Magar yaar ye kum nahee hoti.” Goya unn kay liyeh slimming down ka matlab tangaon tak hee mahdood thaa.

  114. #115 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2011 - 10:29 AM

    What is safe voyage? khansahab tusi safar ich jaa rehay O ? Mai ka kitthay? Traveling abroad or, youn hee chahel khadmi ko zara idher udher London ki galiyoun may awargaan ishq ki terha dhool urra tay turro gay? Apni gaddee ich jo gay ya Sawaray wali gaddee say chalay jao gay? Agar apni sohni gaddee say jao gay tou aap ki bahot see desi Paseena-ain (punjabi haseena) gana na shurroo ker dain, “Sanu V lay chal naal way Bao Sohni gaddee waliya….?”

  115. #116 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2011 - 6:19 PM

    Under Sehwag’s captaincy the team is full of youth due to injuries and to give rest to some senior players. Therefore, it will be a good contest with the WI. It will also give an idea about how India will fare without their god-ul-kar. Also, this is the first time that India has dropped Harbhajan Singh against Australia. He must be feeling miserable to know that he has been dropped for the Australian tour.

    When is Masbah’s team going to Australia? That will be his real test i.e., playing in Australia. Against England in the UAE, is not a big deal because in the UAE Pakistan always play well and even teams like Australia and SA don’t play up to their potential. First let us see how they play in Bangladesh?

  116. #117 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 28, 2011 - 6:33 PM

    khansahab

    Here is something for you to look @ our Frenchies………. and their faux pas.

    http://envedette.ca/Videos/?bclid=33569423001&bctid=1295556151001

  117. #118 by Zen on November 28, 2011 - 8:06 PM

    GUYS

    While debate about msbha was transpiring, Saad shafqat was named as a writer whose opinion mattered a lot. Well Mr shafqat has written something on cricinfo about Umar akmal but it also reflects the mindset writers have about mebha. Mr shafqat draws parallels btw pakistani great batsmen and umar aknmal. Check this out !


    Pakistani fans are still looking for an heir to their august batting lineage, which starts with Hanif Mohammad, consolidates through Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, and Inzamam-ul-Haq, and continues in the current era with Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan. Umar Akmal has all the talent to be next in line, but so far he has shown little evidence that he grasps the art of accumulating runs or possesses the psychological secrets of longevity at the crease. He must understand that true batting greatness is not a matter of destiny but of discipline, diligence, desire, and dedication. Far more is required than just flashy shots and the occasional match-winning fifty.

    Excuse me sir but does this stellar, august batting list has everybody on the roster. Hmmm… hanif, javed, zaheer……inzy, 2Y’s…. Wait!

    There aint no Mesbha?

    What, no captaan cool- isnt he a top notch batsman? He averagers 48ish ( rite ks)

    so isnt he a stellar batsman? If not, then Sir what exactly is he- Mike bearly of pakistan cricket.

    Its so evident why shafqat missed his name. because his name will never come when we talk of paki greats. Yet writers deliberately mention his name when talking about recednt matches to underscore his value. So one should admit the reality and that is he’s an average batsman and winning against meek opposition.

    Perhaps critics may argue he may ferature on paki great cxaptains, but what is his utility as a player to the team? imran was an all rounder, maindad a batsman, inzy a batsman ,wasim a bowler. all of them were contributors as players and leaders but captaan cool has no credentials.

    Chchchch….. Cool you are being bypassed by suckmal in view of writers who praise you- weird!

    Sometimes more effort is required to praise than to criticise!

    This is the whole article

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/542281.html

  118. #119 by Zen on November 28, 2011 - 8:11 PM

    Had I written this article and was impressed by mesvbha ‘s play i would have written ” continues in era of Mohd yousuf and younis kahn till Mesbha to date ”

    But may be it was just a TYPO!

  119. #120 by Zen on November 28, 2011 - 8:15 PM

    Umar akmal has shown little evidence of pshycological secrets of longevity- well my boy there aint no better exponent in paki team who can teach u longevity than mesbha but I guess no one will tell you to emulate him including Mr shafqat! 😀

  120. #121 by Zen on November 28, 2011 - 8:22 PM

    jak

    even if pak suffers a whitewash in australia, mesbha will be considered captaan cool as all will say no paki captaan won down under. It aint gonna make any difference. Our opinions are not really givemn much of an audience. We do post our views but as i said to ks he’ll remain captaan till atleast 2013.

    He’ll remain captaan till he retires and i have at least reconciled with this fact. It aint gonna change.

  121. #122 by Zen on November 28, 2011 - 8:33 PM

    KS

    I dont want to start an english class here as this aint the forum for that, but I would say that when a guy doesnt know what are articles (a,an), cant differentiate between countable and uncountable nouns ( ball, rain) etc, he simply is not properly educated and he will make such blunders. he cant understand all this by listening to others. Waqqa in my view is very little educated or rather poorly educated and if he opens his mouth and try to speak in english, he’ll commit bloopers- cant help it.

    I think its becoming a trend to ask formwer players to do commentary so thats why we hear him.

  122. #123 by NewGuy on November 29, 2011 - 3:10 AM

    Ind-WI ODI series should be close because of inexperienced Indian team, but I still expect them to win the series, they won the ODI series in WI with an inexperienced team, so it should not be difficult. That said, too many meaningless ODI series makes it less compelling to follow other than just time pass.

    Pak-Bangla should be another east assignment for Pakistan. Another feather in Misbah’s cap. I still think he is doing a decent job. Even Imran Khan used to draw matches when he knew he cannot win. The famous victory of winning a Test series in India under Imran everyone praises him for came in a four test series where previous three tests ended in draws, final test had a turner prepared and the win was so closely fought that it could have gone either way. Margin of win was just 16 runs, and the four test series was won 1-0 after Pakistan scraping by in the final day. No one remembers such fine things, they only remember Imran for winning a series in India for the first time ever. I watched all the four tests live, it was so boring to watch three drawn tests with neither team showing desire to win. Pakistan had Imran and Akram in their bowling line up, but were scraping for draws. Why does no one criticize Imran for not having winning mentality? It’s because they forgot everything in euphoria of a final test win, even though they scraped hard for it. If Imran was afraid to go for win with a superior team, no one can blame Misbah for not going for wins given the shape of batting.

  123. #124 by NewGuy on November 29, 2011 - 3:20 AM

    Correction. Ind-Pak test series of 1987 was 5 test series. That makes even worse, first 4 were drawn and Pakistan scraped with final test because they won toss and batted first on a turning pitch, India had to bat last on a minefield where Gavaskar made a master class 96.

    Here is the link to scores from 5 tests:

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/7.html?class=1;home_or_away=2;host=6;opposition=6;spanmax1=03+Nov+1988;spanmin1=16+Oct+1985;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team;view=innings

    Why blame Misbah when even Imran drew match after match. I also remember Tendulkar’s debut series in Pakistan when Imran was captain, all four tests were drawn.

  124. #125 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 4:52 AM

    newguy

    In those days tests were played like that, they all used to play at a very slow strike rate, no one took any risks, the policy was even for England, Australia and the mighty West Indies of that era was to draw a match if they cannot win it.

    You are quoting the Bangalore test which Pak won and believe it or not, I talked to Imran in person about that match and he gave his comments on that i.e., how difficult it was to win a series in India at that time. The wickets in India were prepared for spinners only and there was an era of spinners starting from Gupte, Nadkarni (Nadkarni during Hanif and Fazal’s team bowled 25 maidens out of his 26 overs, check it out its a record) then the famous trio of Bhagwat Chandrashekar, Erapally Prasanna and Venkataraghawan…….. errr not just 3 but don’t forget the BediMash Bhishen Singh. Kumble and Harbhajan are the successors of these spin legends of India.

    Also, there was NO neutral umpiring during those days. So, whenever there was any decision against the touring team especially against players like Gavaskar the game used to change from that moment. And same was the case in Pakistan and West Indies. Imran’s team would have won a series in West Indies but, the umpires denied it and the crowd came running on the pitch.

    Talk about India’s tour to Pakistan when Pakistan won two test matches, one in Karachi and the other in Lahore they scored at an extremely fast strike rate especially Asif Iqbal and Javed Miandad had to score something like 169 odd runs and Miandad was taking cheeky singles and Asif Iqbal in his post match comments said, Javed made me run for my life, I am too old to run like him but, he kept running and made me huff and puff and totally out of breath.

    In that Karachi match Gavaskar scored a century in each innings. Whereas, in both innings he was out on a duck (caught behind by Bari)Mehboob Shah was the umpire from Pakistan. Much later when he was asked, why he did not give him out? He said, in the first innings I did hear the snick because of the crowd’s roaring but, in the second innings it was clear to me but, I thought in my mind that, if I give him out people in India will say that it is biased umpiring and a few seconds of delay in raising my finger made it even more impossible for me to give him out.

    When Gavaskar was asked, didn’t you snicked the ball? He said: Why should I walk? Why is the umpire there for? And, he is right but, the TV replays confirmed that he was out as the deflection was a big one.

    Its a long debate and I cannot sum up all the points in one comment but, please remember, there is no comparison between Imran Khan and Misbah ul Haq except BOTH ARE NIAZI and that is what I wrote in the thread.

  125. #126 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 5:06 AM

    tom

    didn’t you read my earlier comment on Waqar’s background? He used to study at the Pakistan College, Sharjah – It was NOT a college but a high school but the name is Pakistan College. Waqar is a high school drop out, while he was in the school, he was selected for the Pakistan team and we saw him playing then in Sharjah and we were told that there is a new fast bowler and he is very, very good. Yes, he was a good bowler and was known as BUREWALA EXPRESS.

    Waqar – after getting selected in the Pakistan National Team, do you think would have gone back to school? You think any player once selected in the team has any time to study? Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat, Aamir, Asif, Ajmal, Abdur Rahman, The Suckmals, The Malaks etc., do you think they have gone beyond high school? That Duddoo, Nasir Jamshed did not pass the 9th grade exam, in fact he was caught cheating and was suspended. Who is more Badnam? Javed Miandad – that he is not educated. Players like Sarfaraz Nawaz, Asif Masood, Nazir Junior and Phoodoo Zahir Abass of that era were and still are, simply Duh and Pay & Do!

    Andhaon may Kaana Raja kon hai? Ek tou Phutta Baja, doosra Kool Kheera and keep wondering who else besides Imran Khan? Inzamam ki jitni bhee tareef kero kum hai. Reportedly Saeed Anwar was an engineer from Karachi’s NED Engineering College?

  126. #127 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 5:27 AM

    tom

    LOL @ Umar Akmal is being listed in the august batting lineage of Pakistan and he is being compared with players who have proved their mettle whereas, this suckmal started his career in a very dubious manner, he was over hyped and over rated by Ramiz, Waqar and Wasim as commentators only to outclass Fawad Alam and then he went into politics as a “Munna” and stood behind his “BIG Brother,” the greatest of all the suckmals by faking injuries, not once but twice. And, what has he got in his back pack? A hundred in test and a hundred in ODI’s, c’est tout.

    I have a lot of respect for Dr. Saad Shafqat, sometimes we exchange emails but, I haven’t met him. He is much senior to me and, one of his colleagues also a doctor is a family friend. And, I always value his views about players and about the game. But, I don’t agree with a couple of his recent articles on cricinfo. One was about Akhtar’s book in which the praise was on Tendulkar, the other was very recent about Misbah’s cool demeanor and now this. 😀 Perhaps as a writer you have to keep in mind about the policies of the blog and cricinfo are not so liberal, as far as I know they dictate their terms. That is why Kamran Abassi’s writing style changed when cricinfo was taken over by ESPN which is again controlled by the Indians. Therefore, I don’t blame these guys when it comes to India / Pakistan comparison. But, Misbah, Umar Akmal?????? I don’t understand the reason, logic or the background of their praise and accolades when they don’t deserve.

  127. #128 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 8:12 AM

    jAK

    i respect all these writers and there is nothing personal grudge against them. but they shouldnt over praise such mediocre players.

  128. #129 by Mohammed Munir on November 29, 2011 - 10:17 AM

    Javed Khan …

    But, Misbah, Umar Akmal?????? I don’t understand the reason, logic or the background of their praise and accolades when they don’t deserve.

    Why don’t you write them, both, some emails and check with them that guy, what went wrong with your heads ❓ 😉

    But then again, I think, you wrote some emails to Saad Shafqat … right ❓ 😀

    BTW, I am sorry for being away from the blog, but I will address few of these points in detail.

    NewGuy …

    Your points about Imran are well taken, the thing is that even when Misbah will retire we all (except JAK & KS) will remember only his wins and history of cricket will miss one of the best captain of his era. 😉

  129. #130 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:05 AM

    JAK/Zen

    If Hafeez and Beauty can’t become the future Saeed Anwar and Mohammad Yousuf for Pakistan, no one can.

  130. #131 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:16 AM

    Javed A Khan

    That guy “boomboom” may have been Abdul who used to write on this blog. I wonder if his opinions are now more balanced than before and I hope he is well.

    From my point of view the doors of this blog are open for him provided he can discuss issues maturely.

  131. #132 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 11:22 AM

    Hi KS

    hope u had a good journey

    Yup, beauta and hafiz can become future greats even greater than saeed and moyo if
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    Cucumber provides them inspiration. 😉

  132. #133 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 11:32 AM

    there are different types of draws.

    one is match saving draw, like sammy achieved yesterday.

    one is match gifting draw- a side needs 250 odd in 55 overs on last day on a batting track and they end up with 90 odd in 55 overs.

    Imran never achieved such draws asnd thats totally unfounded, Imran beat england in england and india in india. i dont think any mebha suupporter would bet on him doing that.

    In his days, there were no artifiicial lights, no 90 ovr/day rule and draws happened in his time were cases where that was only result possible.

    This debate about mebha here has many dimensions.

    At times it looks a juicy full toss is served outside off stump to check batsman’s temperament- may be a wicket may fall. some comments are meant to serve a thermometer effect.

    Anyway, no harm in that!

    in pk many ch2’s are remembered and mebha wont be any exception. 😀

  133. #134 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 11:35 AM

    KS

    mesbha is not listed in August batting lineup of pk greats acc to shafqat’s list

    will u enlighten us on this matter?

  134. #135 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 11:42 AM

    ks

    2 out hogae, kya cha reahey hae

  135. #136 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:42 AM

    Zen

    When will we see Pakistan score more than 150 in a T20 innings?

  136. #137 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:43 AM

    Zen

    Scoring about 6 an over which is pathetic in T20.

    If they can’t perform against Bangladesh what will they do?

  137. #138 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 11:44 AM

    Well thats for cool’s supporters to answer. onus is upon him to deliver.

    maybe his inspiro generator has short circuited or cucumber has got some fungus 😉

    lets see, thewy should get 180 against mediocre bangla side.

  138. #139 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 11:47 AM

    I told u qibla

    law of averages always takes effect.

    the down curve will start, the sun rises and it also sets. : D

    I dont know when but i do know it will

    you dont need to be an einstein to realsie why pk won t20 and odi against sl.

    take out one parameter- boom boom and it became an even contest.

  139. #140 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:48 AM

    Zen

    Hafeez should be made T20 and ODI captain straightaway and Misbah should be kicked out of the squad.

    In fact I feel Ajmal should be made Test captain, because he will remain in the team for the next 2 years or so and until then hopefully someone will become a parmanent Test fixture.

  140. #141 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:52 AM

    Ramiz Raja has just claimed that U Akmal played a blinder vs SL. I think he was referring to that 91. It was actually scored in 108 balls and Pakistan lost that match if I am not wrong.

    I won’t exactly call that a blinder.

    Also, U Akmal scored 20 in 14 balls and Raja thinks that it was a fine knock.

  141. #142 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:53 AM

    Raja has now said that it is time for Misbah to craft another innings to take Pakistan to a good total.

    You idiot, Pakistan won’t reach 120 if Misbah is there.

  142. #143 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 11:54 AM

    Ks

    im agree abt hafeez. What is mesbha’s contribution in short formats. It would be like a graeme smith step which would be beneficial in longer run.

  143. #144 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:56 AM

    Shafiq gone, his career is over.

    Hopefully Afridi will improve the run rate.

  144. #145 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:57 AM

    Tom

    They are now in a position to make Hafeez captain in limited overs.

    I think he has earned that promotion because if he doesn’t perform in batting, he performs in bowling.

  145. #146 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 11:57 AM

    Oh no, Malik has been sent before Afridi.

  146. #147 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 11:58 AM

    Ks

    he’l play another inspirationalll….. Knock. Hel inspire others to hit 6’s while hel block one end.

  147. #148 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 12:00 PM

    Ks

    i told u, they dont like afridi. Malik is mansoor akhtar of mesbha and he will try to make him permanent.

  148. #149 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 12:26 PM

    LOL I wasn’t too far off when I said if Misbah is there Pakistan will not reach 120.

    One of Pakistan’s poorer T20 performances.

    Their bowling can defend this total but it doesn’t mean they play such negative and uninspiring cricket.

  149. #150 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 12:32 PM

    KS

    CAP COOL WILL INSPIRE THE BOWLING- NOT TO WORRY 😉

  150. #151 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 1:15 PM

    Ks

    i told u

    bowlers r winning the match. But guess who’ll get the credit.

  151. #152 by NewGuy on November 29, 2011 - 1:33 PM

    JK,

    Imran Khan is obviously much higher than Misbah, but my point is that younger generation Pakistanis (not you) who have not seen him play or captain know him only from record books, and they rate him much more than he is. His captaincy only received this legacy because of the final few years, mainly the 92 WC, and some high profile series wins. If you ask me, Javed Miandad was the real tactician and inspiration behind many players, but how much is Miandad credited for Imran’s success? not very much. Imran is considered a celebrity and greatest ever cricketer in Pakistan, but everyone who followed cricket back then knows Miandad was equally if not more important cricketer in generating respect for Pakistan cricket. In my view Imran the captain is over rated by history while Miandad is not.

  152. #153 by NewGuy on November 29, 2011 - 1:36 PM

    Bangoos are so pathetic, should they even be playing cricket? Every team collapses once in a while, but Bangoos never really improve except for a win once in 5 years somewhere, they don’t even seem to be able to compete.

  153. #154 by NewGuy on November 29, 2011 - 1:39 PM

    Respectable losses not acceptable – Mushfiqur

    Pre match comment from Bangla kaptaan .. team followed his advice, respectable losses not acceptable, that is why they are going to accept humiliating loss .. LOL.

    Can WI defend 212 again inexperienced Indian middle order, if they can get Sehwag and Gambhir out quickly?

  154. #155 by NewGuy on November 29, 2011 - 1:44 PM

    India in big trouble chasing 212 against WI .. they are 47/3 are I write, with Kohli out after Gambhir and Patel. Only Sehwag, Raina, and Rohit remaining.

    RR is below 4 so that is not a problem, but wickets are, in the absence of Dhoni and with Kohli getting out, who will steady the chase? Looks like a WI win coming up here?

  155. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 2:02 PM

    newguy

    we have discussed this Miandad behind Imran subject at length on this blog a few times. Even Imran said, that Miandad has got one of the best cricketing brains and he used to seek his advise. I have written a lot about how Miandad used to remember the strength and weaknesses of the opposition batsmen and used to ask the captain and bowler to set the field accordingly.

    The reason Miandad is not getting credit is because he is from Karachi and looks wise he is pretty ordinary and he cannot express himself very eloquently as opposed to Imran who has plus, plus points in this respect. Besides, it is the nature of our people that their heroes must look reasonably handsome.

    And, you are wrong that I have not seen Imran or Miandad playing BAKAOZ I have.

  156. #157 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 2:05 PM

    Chalo jee CupTaan Cucumberaan Tenu Mubarkaan
    A V Match jittt gaye ‘hore ki chaiye?
    Once again you are NAAT OUT so tusi rally, rally Grate O.

  157. #158 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 2:08 PM

    Once again Malak Saab suckored wonlee 2 runs as a batman
    Buttttooo, he toookooo 2 Tail Unders V-kuts, as a baller
    So he will remain in the team as lang as MissyBaba is there

    This stupid policy of using Ajmal in the last over MUST come to an end.
    Even in this match the Bangla 10th down batsman cum bowler hit him for a BIG SICKUS.

  158. #159 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 2:13 PM

    newguy

    India in big trouble now, even Sehwag gone and they are 59/4 now in the 12th over. Can Raina do something spectacular? He has done well when others have scored but, I don’t remember on hiw own he has won a match? Or, may be I am wrong?

    Oh now as I am writing he’s gone too, 59/5……….. India is doomed. Only a miracle can save them and Dhoni must be smiling from his bedroom! 😀

    Ps

    All hopes have been pinned down towards Rohit Sharma now.

    And LOL @ Dhoni’s JADDOO playing 😀

  159. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 6:47 PM

    newguy

    Didn’t I say that all hopes pinned on Rohit Sharma? Anyways, congratulations to you that India won a match from a no win situation.

    LOL@ Kheera, saying he is happy with the batting. Is he once again trying to cover up for Shoaib Malik’s continuous pathetic batting performance? He took two wickets on paper but both being tail-enders is nothing to brag about, especially when 8 wickets were down around 60 runs total. Any kid’s heart would become bigger than a foot ball and he will bowl his heart out.

  160. #161 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 6:56 PM

    Jak

    sania took 2 wkts on toilet paper. Im telling u these mf’s want to eject afridi from the squad.

    Well played rohit

  161. #162 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 6:58 PM

    Zen

    Zaka Ashraf welcomed Afridi back with open arms. You think he is not part of the conspiracy?

  162. #163 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 7:02 PM

    Gosh, I can’t believe India managed to win after their early collapse.

    The reason why India wins matches like these especially under Dhoni’s leadership is because the majority of batsmen score at a strike rate of 80+. This is something Pakistan does not do.

    Even if the wickets are falling regularly, by the time the lower middle order batsmen come out to bat, the target is not unachievable.

    That is why I keep saying that Umar Akmal is good for this CURRENT team because if he scores 35 he will score those runs quickly and this can be very beneficial when the team is chasing.

  163. #164 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 7:07 PM

    Zen

    Vinay Kumar should be equally lauded because he held his ground for 48 balls. I don’t understand why credit in such situations is not given to the tailender who manages to secure his wicket for a long time.

    No one talks about Ambrose’s stay at the crease for 40 odd deliveries when Lara played the “2nd best knock of all time”.

    Similarly Mushtaq Ahmed scored 20 from 40 odd balls in a match which Pakistan won by one wicket when Inzamam scored 50 odd only and remained not out. Mushtaq should probably receive greater credit for that particular run chase.

  164. #165 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 7:09 PM

    khansahab

    Dhoni did not play it was Sehwag’s captaincy.

  165. #166 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 29, 2011 - 7:15 PM

    khansahab

    That was Lauren Stoner’s latest video on Palm Beach Florida, you can google and find the video, but here is a link of the same video but only still photos.

    http://www.celebuzz.com/photos/lauren-stoner-bikinis-in-miami/lauren-stoner-bikinis-in-miami-6/

  166. #167 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 7:24 PM

    Ks

    zaka ashraf is a dodo. He’l play with the gang. Why do you think malik is being inducted?
    I cant think of any other reason.

  167. #168 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 7:30 PM

    JAK

    I know Dhoni is not playing in this series. I meant that these kinds of successful run chases have often occasioned under his leadership. I remember quite a few matches where Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan have played a vital hand.

  168. #169 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 7:36 PM

    Zen

    I have just realised that the Wisden’s list of 10 best innings of all time is no measure of assessing calibre. This is the list where Bradman is on no 1 and Lara is on no 2.

    A player by the name of Azhar Mahmood features on no 8.

    Come on!!! I don’t care how good a knock that was, bottom line is this guy isn’t even going to be in the 100 best Test batsmen of all time.

    I can also say Zulqernain’s 88 against England was the 25th best knock of all time etc.

  169. #170 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 7:38 PM

    Surely this means that average batsmen are capable of playing good pressure knocks.

    You don’t become a good batsman by playing a pressure knock necessarily because a mediocre batsman can also play like that.

  170. #171 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 8:17 PM

    KS

    wisden’s list is about all time 100 greatest knocks, not about all time 100 greatest batsmen.

    it is possible that some of these knocks may be played by batsmen who are average.

    yes average batsmen may play good pressure knocks but great batsman must definitely have the ability to play pressure knocks

    otherwise there are question marks raised about their ability.

    its just like case of tennis player Andy murray- a very good player who never has won a grand slam in tennis.

    pundits say he lacks the mental edge otherwise his game is complete.

  171. #172 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 8:19 PM

    yeah tailenders must get some credit too.

    but its the hero who is always remembered, not the supporting character 😀

  172. #173 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 8:27 PM

    KS

    i am disagree with umar akmal. He doesnt have the temperament or attitude to be a top grade batsman.

    i dont see him playing good knocks in pacy conditions. a mainstay batsman needs to be 50+.

    He indulges in politics like he suipported his brother.

    This paki batting line up is yet to be properly tested. they cant even score 150 in t20s.

    I dont see any solid batsman apart from younis who is in his twilight.

  173. #174 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 8:34 PM

    Wasim bhai says one coach, nat five coach

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=27574

  174. #175 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 8:37 PM

    LOL

    Kheera says games should be high scoring and entertaining for the crowds yet palys dull draws

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-pakistan-2011/content/current/story/542970.html

  175. #176 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 9:03 PM

    Zen

    What you are doing there is what Sagaat was also doing- attaching too much weight to one attribute that favours your reasoning and relegating another attribute which does not favour your point of view as much.

    It is possible that pressure knocks may be played by average batsmen, but a good player MUST play pressure knocks?

    What kind of reasoning is this- there can be a 100 other factors which determine calibre other than pressure.

    I am not saying pressure is not important.

    I am saying that it is poor logic to say that whereas pressure knocks can be played by average players, good players must be able to play pressure knocks.

    By that I mean that due to the very fact that average players can play pressure knocks means that pressure handling is not as significant as we consider it to be when assessing calibre.

  176. #177 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 9:09 PM

    Zen

    Umar Akmal is not the ideal batsman and I have expressed there clearly that he is important for the current team. He is better than Misbah, Malik and perhaps more consistent than Younis Khan.

  177. #178 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 9:22 PM

    Ks

    pressure handling is an important component of one’s ability.

    I dont know much about debates between you and sagaat.

    Greatest knocks are always played under pressure- thats what makes them great.

    Having said that nothing is binding. If u think wisden list is flawed, u r entitled to ur opinion. 😀

    Just like we have divergent views abt mesbha.

    But qibla at least quote someone with whom i have blogged 😉

    i have discussed this with u previously that ur now debating with a different individual.

    U miss him, dont you? 😀

  178. #179 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 9:24 PM

    Zen

    Dost dost na raha….

  179. #180 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 9:26 PM

    Zen

    A knock can also be great if a good bowling attack is ripped to shreds. Afridi’s fastest century was a great knock wasn’t it? Anwar’s 194 was a great knock although he was dropped twice I think.

    Again I disagree that a knock is only great when played under pressure.

  180. #181 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 9:27 PM

    Ks

    almost all of us agree kamran akmal is a fixer.

    Doesnt that make beauty also suspicious?

    Iam disagree with comparison btw him and younis.

  181. #182 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 9:28 PM

    Amaan kaun dost nahi raha?

  182. #183 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 9:36 PM

    Qibla muazaz ks

    bhole badshaho ap ek ghalti karte ho,mein ne bohot dafa note kya hae

    sir this list is about test cricket.

    This list has bradman,he never played test cricket. When u talk abt tendulkr 200 or saeed 194, they are odi knocks. U tend to mix the 2 formats. U cant compare the two.

    I must say u prefer odi ovr tests. Thats ok but u cant compare odi performances with test performances.

  183. #184 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 9:37 PM

    Zen

    This is masterful poetry, written by someone with unbelievable command over the Urdu language:

    Ranjish Hii Sahii Dil Hii Dukhaane Ke Liye Aa
    aa Phir Se Mujhe Chhod Ke Jaane Ke Liye Aa

    pahale Se Maraasim Na Sahii Phir Bhii Kabhii To
    rasm-o-rahe Duniyaa Hii Niibhaane Ke Liye Aa

    kis Kis Ko Bataayenge Judaaii Kaa Sabab Ham
    tuu Mujh Se Khafaa Hai To Zamaane Ke Liye Aa

    kuchh To Mere Pindaar-e-muhabbat Ka Bharam Rakh
    tuu Bhii To Kabhii Mujh Ko Manaane Ke Liye Aa

    ek Umr Se Huun Lazzat-e-giriyaa Se Bhii Maharuum
    ai Raahat-e-jaan Mujh Ko Rulaane Ke Liye Aa

    ab Tak Dil-e-khushfaham Ko Tujh Se Hain Ummiiden
    ye Aakhirii Shammein Bhii Bujhaane Ke Liye Aa

    maanaa Ki Muhabbat Kaa Chhipaanaa Hai Muhabbat
    chupake Se Kisii Roz Jataane Ke Liye Aa

    jaise Tujhe Aate Hain Na Aane Ke Bahaane
    aise Hii Kisii Roz Na Jaane Ke Liye Aa

    I remember in school I learned about literary techniques and what poets and writers do to create effect. What I learned about alliteration and assonance etc in English back then, I can relate to in Urdu, now.

    When Faraz says, “Jaise tujhe aate hain na aane ke bahane”, notice how, “jaise/tujhe/aate/aane/bahane”, all rhyme. In fact, “aane” and “bahane” sound very similar. This is done deliberately by Faraz.

    And what a “shair” it is! “aise hi kisi roz na jaane ke liye aa……………”

    I also like the, “yeh aakhri shammaein bhi bhuja ney ke liye aa” shair.

    If you have read, “Suna hai log usey”, there is also a ingenious shair from him in that……

    “suna hai bole toh baaton sey phool jhartey hain….

    yeh baath hai toh chalo baath karkey dekhtey hain….”

    The dual usage of “baath” there is nothing short of ingenious.

    Aur qibla kya baath hai Ahmed Faraz ki!

  184. #185 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 9:39 PM

    Sorry

    “list has bradman. He never played odi ckt”
    😀

  185. #186 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 9:39 PM

    Tom

    What format differential yaar- that mediocre Azhar Mahmood made that century in Tests.

    See, strokeplay, shot selection etc comparison can be done in context of ODI and Tests, both.

    Pressure comparison is more relevant in Tests, but your GHALTI is that you only care about pressure whereas batting is also a lot more than that.

  186. #187 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 9:47 PM

    Whatmore, Rhodes are contenders for Pakistan coach: Ashraf

    Despite interim-coach Mohsin Khan showing interest in taking over as chief coach, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Zaka Ashraf has named Australian Dav Whatmore and former South Africa player Jhonty Rhodes as frontrunners for the top job.

    In an interview to Jang daily, Ashraf said Whatmore, who was in-charge of Sri Lanka during their famous World Cup win in 1996, and Rhodes are being seriously considered as the chief coach and the fielding coach.

    The PCB had last month advertised for the positions of batting, bowling and fielding coaches and had received about 15 applications from interested candidates.

  187. #188 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 9:48 PM

    Qibla

    aap izhar chate hain. There is a part within u who wants to express and wants to be listened. How,where i dont know?
    The answer lies within you.

    Qibla, iske bad arz ye hae ke poetry mein im total zero. Hum kahan aur kahan faiz,ghalib aur ap jaise sahib e zauq log.ye pechedgya hamari samjh se bahr hain.

  188. #189 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 9:52 PM

    Qibla

    test and odi are miles apart. In odi a quality bowler can bowl only ten ovrs while in tests he can bowl as many as he like. No study or comparison combines the two.

    Well if u want to compare them,fine!

  189. #190 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 9:57 PM

    Amaan Zen

    Itni pookhta Urdu boltey hain aur shair o shayari sey shagaf nahi?

    Yaar yeh banda Faraz aasaan alfaaz mai khubsurat baath kar deta hai. I usually don’t understand shayari myself but this is poetry par excellence.

    “maana keh mohabbat ka choopana hai muhabbat

    chupke sey kisi roz jataney ke liye aa…..”

    Matlab yeh key mohabbat ke muamla paicheeda hai ya surreptitious muamla hai……lihaaza secrecy mai aakar izhar ker lo………leken uss mey bhi “jatanay” ki zaroorat hai.

    Do you get it? Jatana, matlab, showing something, or demonstrating, or imposing something.

    So even though this is a clandestine affair, the admission of it has to be imposing.

    That is my interpretation of the “nazm”.

    Leken agar yeh sahi interpretation hai, toh point yeh hai kai, chup key aao leken jataney ki liye. Two conflicting intentions there- jatana bhi, leken choopana bhi.

    And the two conflicting intentions are expressed by the poet in only one line, and how beautifully.

  190. #191 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 10:04 PM

    Qibla

    ab kya shairi aur kya ishq?

    Ab to bus aulad ke ishq mein dobey rahtey hain

    jab spare time milta hae to ap logon se gupshup karlete hain,thoda relax aur thodi ckt.

  191. #192 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:08 PM

    Bhai hamari dua hai aap ko bohot nake aur sehat mand aulad ho inshallah.

    Yaar ishq wishq ki waja sey shayari toh nahi hoti sirf.

    Bas lafzon sey khelna hai, aur baath ki gehrai ko samajna hai.

  192. #193 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 10:08 PM

    Waise qibla shair jatane ke lye isi lye kah raha hae ke isi bahane mulaqat hogi 😉

  193. #194 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:09 PM

    Zen

    Huzoor yeh nahi sochye ga keh shayari samajney ke liye ehley zuban hona chahiye.

    Nacheez khud ghatya Urdu bolta hai.

    Ahmed Faraz sahib toh Hindko they khud.

  194. #195 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:10 PM

    kya keh rahay ho bhai aankh maar key

    samaj mai nahin aaya

  195. #196 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 10:12 PM

    Qibla

    aap ki dua ka shukriya. Allah ne nek aur sehatmand aulad se nawaza hua hae.

  196. #197 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:14 PM

    Acha

    Toh sahab bachay waale hain!

    Mubarak ho bhai.

  197. #198 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 10:15 PM

    Im sayng poet kah raha hae mohabat jatane ke lye ao halankey chupaney ki cheez hae

    mein kah raha hun poet mulaqat ka bahana dhoond raha hae jatane ki aadr mein.

  198. #199 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:17 PM

    Haan yaar woh toh nazm ka maqsad hai, keh kisi bhi tarah mil lo aashiq sey.

    mai uss key andaz e bayan ki tareef kar rahan hoon….

    keh ek hi line mai jahan chupke sey aana bhi hai, uss hi line mai mohabbat ko jatana bhi hai.

  199. #200 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 10:18 PM

    Qibla ap bhi is jhameley mein hain ya nahi
    i mean bachey vachey;)

  200. #201 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:20 PM

    Nahi bhai.

    Shaadi waadi thori door ki baath hai.

    Abhi ishq laraney ki umer hai aur masti karney ki 😀

  201. #202 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 10:27 PM

    Amaan ks

    ishq wishq sab bakwas hae. Sab khali peeli drama hae

    hamari dua hae apko koi nek parveen zoja mile

  202. #203 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:29 PM

    Bhai

    Hamay nakee mai abhi interest nahi hai

    Husn mai hai bas, sab nake hotey hain aur sab kharaab bhi hotey hain

  203. #204 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:32 PM

    leken sab haseen nahi hotey……..

  204. #205 by Zen on November 29, 2011 - 10:39 PM

    Qibla

    husn aur sukun sath nahi chaltey.

    Ye hamare hakeem ji ka qaul hae
    shab bakhair 😀

  205. #206 by Aatma-hathya on November 29, 2011 - 10:55 PM

    Amaan Zen

    Haseenon ko bhi kisi sey toh shaadi karni hai na….

    😀

    Sab sukoon key husool mai rahen gey toh phir haseenaon sey kon shaadi karey ga

  206. #207 by NewGuy on November 29, 2011 - 11:19 PM

    This man Sehwag is not a good captain, buttaa his team still scraped to a win 🙂

  207. #208 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 1:53 AM

    khansahab

    Shayeri may agar Zoo ma’anay baat no ho tou vo phir shayeri hee kya?

    The word “Chupke” doesn’t mean secretly, it means “youn hee, yani by the way” kisi roze (mohabat) jataney kay liye aa…”

    Husn-O-Aashiqui may husn ka ishq per robe “Jatana” is not “Ehsaan” kerna balkay …. ishq husn kay nakhray uthaata hai aur husn kay jo nakhray aur Utt Khailiyaan hain vo ishq per jatayee jaati hain aur ishq ko vo cheez bahot pasand bhee aati hai (ye sirf romance kay zamanay ki baat hai baad may doodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani ho jata hai)

    Tou janaab-e-Mohtaram khansahab, ishq keh reha hai, youn hee kisi din aao aur aa ker jatao….. jaisay kay tum jataya kerti theen……. !!!
    Doosray maanay jo nikaltay hain, vo duniya ko batana nahee chahta kay rusWayee hoi hai aur isi liyeh vo kehta hai “duniya ko dikhanay kay liye aa…”

    Baad may gilay shikway doosri terha kay hotay hain jaisay

    Na vo husn may rehi shooqiyaan
    Na vo ishq may rehi garmiyaan …….. garmiyaaan, garrmiyaaan, garrmiyaan
    Kabhee aye haqeeqat-e-muntazar
    Nazar aa libaas-e-majaaz may
    Kay hazaroon sijday tarap rehay
    Hain teri jabeen-e-niyaaz may

  208. #209 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 1:55 AM

    newguy

    Even you have been bowled by Waqar’s yorker? LOL at the phrases that we have picked up and use them in whichever way we want… Poor Waqar and Poor Dilshan.

  209. #210 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 1:59 AM

    RussWayee per bahot say sher likhay aur kahay gaye hain, laikin humay Ghalib ka ye sher bahot accha laga:

    Howay Murr kay hum jo Ruswaa
    Tou huway kion na garq-e-dariyaa
    Na koi janaza utth ta
    Na kaheen mazaar hota

  210. #211 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 2:14 AM

    Qibla

    hum ne jo dastur dekha hae wo yeh hae kae haseenaen to paisey se shadi karti hain
    shadi ke bad haseena khawand ke lye haseena nahi rahti
    baqi sari dunya ke lye haseena rahti hae
    aur maldar nam ka maldar rah jeta hae,kaam ka kangla hojata hae

    this iz the reyzon beehind eycanamic rezessyn

    qibla khaddey mein na koudey!

    Warna hamey shayri kaun sunae ga 😉

  211. #212 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 2:20 AM

    Is nisbat se ek chutkla aap ki shan mein

    husband : i was a fool,idiot, and jerk to marry you

    wife :sorry honey, i was in love, i didnt notice 😉

    to hum kahte hain,

    Do think twice 😀

  212. #213 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 2:30 AM

    Miyaan Taam

    Shayeri, zindagi ki tafseer hai, aur iss tafseer ya tarjumani may sheriyat uss vaqt paida hoti hai jab jazbaat aur taqiyull dono maojood hon.

    Hamaray Jazbaat kay tou Totay urr gaye
    Aur Taqiyull kay Khalil Khan faqtay urra tay hain.

    Humay shayeri ka shaoq hai magar Shayeri ki taang tornay may ziyada maza ata hai, jaisay kabootar par lapaknay may jo maza hai vo kabootar kay lahoo may nahee.

    Jahan serious qism ki mehfil ho vahan hum apni aadat say majboor ho ker kisi na kisi sher ki taang tore detay hain.

    Ek baar kisi nay ek mehfil may bahot israar kiya kay aap gana gaye ye! Farmayesh hoi, Chowdhween ka chaand ho, ya Aftaab ho….. sunaiyeh.

    Bahot hee serious mood may hum nay gala khunkara… ahem, ahem kiyaa aur Mehdi Hasan ki terha taywri purr bull daal ker
    Hooooooonnnnnnnnnnnn Oooooooooon kiya aur phir apni bay suri awaz may dheeray say kaha……

    Chaudhary ka Saaand ho ya
    Nathooo Qasai ki gaye ho
    Jo bhee ho tum khuda ki qasam
    Nehayet, Vahiyaat ho Oooooo

    Bari gaaliyaan pareen….. aur ye Ghairaon ki baat nahee hai, Qissa hai apnaon ka

    Khaas ker uss baat per daant ziyada paree jab hum nay kaha:

    Jaaanay Bahaaaar tummmmmm kisi Billlli ka Khowaab ho……. Oo…
    Yani kay hum nay Shayer ki Hoor ko Cheechray say Tashbi dee.

  213. #214 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 2:41 AM

    This is not a joke or a chutkula but, its a fact ek haqeeqat hai.

    I dunno if you have read one of my comments in which I mentioned how the Tableegh guys came to my house at 4:00 am during the summer months and woke me up ?

    Anyways, vohi sahab jo kum say kum 64-65 saal kay thay…. Ek Bewa Pakistani aurat par bahot he ziyada Taras kha ker, uss ki 18 saal ki beti say shaadi ker li.

    Phir gayeb! Kuch arsay baad pata chala Yahan ka business baich baach ker Pakistan chalay gaye GujranWala may rehnay lagay. Inn paisaon say baqaol kisi kay 2 PLAZAY khareeday. Jawan BV nay kaha, dekhiyeh agar aap mujhay such much chahtay hain tou ye PLAZAY meray naam ker dain kion kay kull ko aap ko kuch bhee ho sakta hai…… PYAR DEWANA HOTA AUR (AUR BUDDHAON KAY CASE MAY MASTANA NAHEE) ANDHAA HOTA HAI. Apni 18 inch ki Darhee bhi cutt wa dee, clean shave ho gaye aur larki kay naam PLAZAY bhee ker diyeh.

    Kuch arsay baad larki nay unko KHUDDAY LINE LAGA DIYA aur kisi 27 saal walay say Shaadi bhee ker lee….. Ye Clean shaved Nao Jawan oooops Buddhay saab kisi ko moonh dikhanay kay qabil na rehay, yahan vapis bhee nahee aa saktay uss larki par case bhee nahee ker saktay!

  214. #215 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 2:47 AM

    Zara ye mulaheza farmaiyeh ……… khansahab ka dekha dekhi DAWN per bhee KAPY KATS aanay lagay!

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/29/the-land-of-spinners-really.html

  215. #216 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 5:02 AM

    Last but not the least

    kheera is full of water. K nikalo heera banjaye. H nikalo keera banjaye. A nikalo kheer banjaye. Phir bhi tang phisal (leg slip) wale shor karte hain.

    Jalte hain 😉

  216. #217 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 10:55 AM

    Tomorrow is the 1st ODI between Pakistan v Bangladesh.

    Pakistan bowling will outclass Bangladesh but it will be interesting to see how their batsmen perform.

  217. #218 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 11:07 AM

    Zen

    In Tests a bowler may not have any restrictions as to his overs, but if someone is good at playing quality bowlers then the quality of the bowler becomes insignificant and what becomes more important is the shot selection and strokeplay.

    Nowadays especially most batsmen tend to play the same shots in both formats and batsmen attack more in Tests.

  218. #219 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 11:17 AM

    The tables in the link below show some of the most dramatic and heroic run chases:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/542918.html

    Pakistan features on the lists in those matches where Inzamam scored a 100 vs Bangladesh at Multan and where he scored 50 vs Australia at Karachi.

  219. #220 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 11:21 AM

    In that Australia Test, when Mushtaq Ahmed came to bat Pakistan needed 56 runs. Mushtaq made 20 of those- so over a third of those runs. I don’t know how many runs must have been conceded due to extras but Inzamam’s effort towards the end of the innings certainly does not appear very heroic if Mushtaq scored more than a third of the runs required.

  220. #221 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 11:25 AM

    Qicbla
    ap kahna kya cha rahe hae

    straight forward bat karen.mujhe bat kuch be rabt lag rahi hae

  221. #222 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 11:29 AM

    Zen

    Meray lafzon mai sachai ki beech boaiy huey hain. Aap samajney ki koshish toh karein………

  222. #223 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 11:33 AM

    Zen

    Ideal Pakistan ODI XI based on current players:

    Hafeez
    Afridi
    Razzaq
    Beauty
    Azhar Ali
    Younis
    Zulqernain
    U Gul
    Cheema
    Junaid
    Ajmal

  223. #224 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 11:48 AM

    qibla

    hamen to sirf confusion nazar arahi hae

    aap odi aur test ko compare kar rahe hain

    ye to aisa hae ke 100 metre ka runner aur maarthon runner compare kya jae

    formula1 racing aur paris dakar rally compare ki jae

    ye comparison mein ne aaj tak nahi suna

    ab aap tajurba karna chate hain to karen

    magr aap ko iski nazeer nahi milenge

    mazeed guftugu raat mein hogi- bandey ko kuch kharja umoor nibtaney haen 😛

  224. #225 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 11:51 AM

    Qibla aap ki guftugu ka husn hamay tab pas a aaina hota agar hum ko “kharja umoor” ka matlab maloom hota.

    Khair aap ki jo bhi masroofiaath hain hum aap ko unn mai kamyabi ki dua kartay hain.

  225. #226 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 1:00 PM

    khansahab

    Aap Umoor-e-Kharja aur Umoor-e-Daakhaliya nahee jaantay?

    Khaarja is Baher kay Kaam (aur Kharjee is expatriate or, immigrant aur tindon ki zubaan may mohajir)
    Daakhliya is ander kay kaam
    Niji is personal kaam

    When people say Vizarat-e-Umoor-Kharja tou sab kay “Zen” may “Hina Rabbani Khar, Khar” kerti namoodar hoti hai.

    Agar Kharji kaam may aapko Temaatar aur Tenday lay nay hon tou khansahab ki dua hai kay aapko acchay temaater aur tinday milayn 😀

  226. #227 by Mohammed Munir on November 30, 2011 - 1:13 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Referring your comment no. 90 above, you said, “What I fail to understand is, why “NOW” people are paying so much attention to our criticism on Misbah? Whereas, we have been doing this since the last 2-3 years”.

    I don’t think we need a genius to answer this, it is simple that “NOW’ under Misbah’s captaincy the team is winning matches, Misbah himself have shown maturity in leadership and his own performances have improved from what was 2/ 3 years back, thirdly the players are gelling well under new leadership/ management and most importantly Pakistan’s ranking in Tests, ODIs and T20 is also improving.

    I trust these are enough reasons for sparing Misbah the disparaging and stopping the undue, out-of-place and uninvited criticism of Misbah…. “NOW”.

    It’s really strange that you take so much of pride in criticizing Malik 5/ 6 years back and today when he is out of form and is also blamed by most cricket-fans for playing politics, you think that they were all wrong and you were right from day one. Well, it is much much easier criticizing someone without any valid reason but it is equally hard to appreciate some one.

    Secondly, I am certainly surprised that in 5/ 6 long years you have not changed your opinion about Malik one bit, rather it kept getting more disapproving of him but you are very happy that everyone else around you have changed and they too now realized the actual face of Malik. Similarly, you also strongly believe that again only you (and KS) are absolutely right in blaming and criticizing Misbah, because you have seen the biggest devil in Misbah which no one (not me, not NewGuy, not Boom Boom, not Dr. Kamran Abbasi, not Dr. Saad Shafqat, not Osman Samiuddin and definitely not Millions of Misbah fans) can ever notice or understand about him.

    One may question, as to why only you are right and everyone else who is praising/ appreciating Misbah is totally wrong ❓

    Is it because you are getting a ‘Ghaibi Ishara’ from heavens that so-and-so is a bad-character, which no one else can understand ❓

    Or is it that your (and KS’s) cricketing knowledge is superior to Kamran, Saad, Osman, Ramiz, Waqar, many ex-players and experts put-together ❓

    If it really is so, and you have decided that you can NEVER be wrong in your views or will NEVER change your opinions, then I take my words back and also apologies to you and KS, because in these circumstances it will be completely useless for me to write any further and we can stop right here.

    Having that being said, I think most of your as well as KS’s criticism of Misbah is wrong and nothing more that mere assumptions without any tangible reasoning. Even if some of your criticism is considered suitably applicable, one must have to ask that “NOW” is not the time for this because you can criticize anyone when the chips-are-down but not when the team is winning and everyone is appreciating them. Further, criticism just for the sake of criticism is not received well specially from someone who “ONLY CRITIZES”, because with a million comments of criticism there must be little bit of actual praise and appreciation (not just sarcastic praise) to show some sort of balance and fairness in one’s approach.

    Following are few of the major points which have been severely criticized about Misbah in the recent past here on LS:

    Misbah is Batsman Only …

    Agreed Misbah is only batsman and if he gets out cheaply his contribution becomes zero to the team. But, don’t we have several other specialist batsmen like Imran Farhat, Younis Khan, Umer Akmal, and in Tests Toufiq Umer, Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali ❓ At least Misbah is captaining the team and have some output other than batting, which is not the case with these other batters.

    Your next point may be that Misbah is ‘senior’ and he should take more responsibility, well I think Misbah is senior only because of his age and in number of games, ODIs and Tests played, he is much junior to many other players in the team. Secondly, when he takes responsibility and plays slow, then you have big problem with his ‘supposedly’ slow batting. (Why I have used the word ‘supposedly’, I will discuss this point later).

    BTW, in the second ODI against Sri Lanka, Younis Khan got out playing the most stupid shot in the very first over of the match right after Hafeez was cleaned by Malinga. This is one the most ugly way of getting out for a top class batsman who was out in a fashion as if he was giving ‘catching-practice’ to the slip squadron. Now Younis Khan sure is senior too, but I haven’t seen any criticism except for a one-liner that it was a bad shot, but if it was Misbah, we would have surely seen comments doubting his integrity and a full thesis on his incapability and batting flaws. Why target only Misbah ❓

    Misbah is Slow and Plays Only for Averages …

    This is more of the assumption than the fact. Below I am comparing the life-time batting Strike Rates of few of the Pakistani specialist-top-order-batsmen in Tests, ODIs as well as T20s, and these can be compared with Misbah’s (so-called) slow S/R. Please check these S/R out and you will be surprised.

    Player Name ——————— Test SR ——- ODI SR ——— T20 SR
    Misbah —————————- 40 ————– 77 ————— 114
    Younis Khan ——————– 53 ————— 76 ————— 121
    Azhar Ali ————————- 39 ————— 60 ————— NA
    Hafeez —————————- 52 ————– 69 ————— 119
    Farhat —————————– 48 ————- 71 ————— 100
    Asad Shafiq ——————— 38 ————– 70 ————— 69
    Toufiq Umer ——————— 44 ————– 56 ————— NA

    Well then, does this ring a bell ❓ 😉

    I am sure we all know that it is not so important to play fast in Tests and I agree that Misbah has slow S/R in Tests still we have several specialist top-order batters who have slower S/R than Misbah. But I am really surprised to notice that Misbah is the fastest among ODI players, and he has the highest S/R in the above list of the few major top-order batsmen. Even in T20, we have only Younis Khan and Hafeez with better S/R than Misbah.

    We can make an exception for Hafeez as he is an all-rounder, but what about others who are all specialist top-order batsmen just like Misbah ❓

    Interestingly, I have taken the S/R of few of major “TOAPs” and see what they reveal.

    Dravid (India) ——————– 42 ————– 71 ————— 148
    Sachin (India) ——————- NA ————– 86 ————— 83
    VVX Luxman (India) ———— 50 ————– 71 ————— NA

    I hardly find anyone remarkably higher than Misbah’s S/R, nevertheless, I have collected these details in a jiffy and I think some of our LS analysis-experts can go in further details and check them out. One thing is for sure from above details that I am definitely taken-aback with the highly publicized and purely unwarranted criticism of Misbah as “SLOW”, which is not the fact.

    This is why I used the word ‘supposedly’ above, it’s all but alleged assumptions.

    What’s More Important … Misbah or Pakistan …

    Seriously, what is more important to us as Pakistani fans ❓

    Is it Misbah scoring runs in every game or is it Pakistan winning ❓

    I for one am sure that what matters to me is Pakistan winning the match, which is my first priority. Second option will be Pakistan not loosing and at least be able to draw a game rather then risk loosing it.

    Unfortunately, for some Misbah-bashers, it is a situation of ‘head I win, tail you loose’. What I mean by this is that if Pakistan looses a game or draws but Misbah played well and scored runs in that game, then they forget about Misbah’s individual performance and start blaming him for the slower-batting and be responsible for not winning the match and his captaincy is heavily criticized. However, if the very same Misbah got out cheaply but still Pakistan went on to win the match, which must be an ideal situation for most Pakistani fans, the very same peoples forget all about the Pakistani win, and starting criticizing Misbah once again, this time, for his individual performance and question his own contribution in the game ❓

    So no matter what happens with the game, the end result is Misbah-bashing.

    The prime example of this is when Pakistan have clean-swept the Sri Lankan team (no matter how depleted) in Tests, ODIs as well as T20, but we still have not seen a single meaningful word of appreciation about Misbah. Instead all we see are rants of why Misbah was so slow and how many mistakes he made in captaining the side and why (WTF) he is getting any credit.

    Another example is the second ODI, which Pakistan lost, although we lost the game by 25 runs and the entire team got out in 46.3 overs (21 balls less then allotted 50 overs) however still peoples have the biggest issue with Misbah’s slow game who scored 21 runs in 53 balls in that game. But the irony is that no one realizes that Misbah played so slow in that particular match because he came out to play within very first over of the game when Pakistan got 2 of their best batsmen out for a total of 4 runs. Secondly, how harmful it was to waste more balls in that match when we lost the game by 25 runs and 21 balls were remaining ❓

    Similarly, Misbah might have played slow in certain games where it actually would not have mattered much, but still this will provide a good excuse for some to criticize him unnecessary. For example, in the fifth and last ODI in Abu Dhabi, which was a rubber-stamp game because Pakistan had already won the series, Pakistan won the game in 48th over after Sri Lanka batted first and scored 218 runs. Pakistan reached the target of 219 with 16 balls remaining, while Misbah contributed by scoring 66 runs taking 99 balls, which gave a reason for some Pakistani fans to again criticize Misbah. Well, the thing is, that frankly speaking how important it is that Pakistan won this game in 48th over or 38th over ❓ We won it and that is all what matters, but not for everyone.

    Most regrettably, a few of the comments on LS show as if some peoples wish Pakistan to loose the games, just for them to prove their arguments against Misbah. I am sorry to say, but this becomes more like ‘anti-Pakistan’ and not only ‘anti-Misbah’.

    The Curse of Mohali Semi-Final …

    I think even Misbah’s grandchildren will not be spared of the curse that their grandfather brought upon the nation by loosing a game against its archrival, India, and I am sure they will be fully blamed and criticized for generations for that infamous loss.

    This shows how passionate we Pakistanis are about our cricket, or rather how passionate we are about criticizing Misbah. 😉

    Get over this guys, I mean really, we all felt miserable and devastated because of that one loss, but the fact is that it was “JUST A GAME”. Moreover, it was neither the first nor will be the last defeat against India in a World Cup game. In fact, to be realistic, we have never won against India in any World Cup games and have a total of say 4/ 5 defeats, was Misbah playing in all those matches ❓ Secondly, it was also not the first ever World Cup semi-final that we lost. IMO, we have give enough importance to that game and now we should try to “move on”, which I see a more logical solution.

    Nevertheless, if someone is looking for just an excuse to ‘bash’ Misbah on the pretext of that one Semi-Final, then they are more then welcome to carry on with their Misbah-bashing for the rest of Misbah’s life.

    The Big ‘What-If’ Factor …

    A major portion of Misbah’s criticism is based on assumptions of ‘what if’. Rather then celebrating Pakistan’s victories or at least appreciating him “NOW”, for the current games and team’s overall improvements, we see many comments on questions like, what if Misbah played in Australia? How the team will perform in England conditions? Can Misbah bat like this on seaming tracks? He is lucky not to play in SA? Team is not improving but performing only because they are playing on dead tracks? Misbah will not be able to handle the swinging deliveries/ rising balls/ fast wickets etc. etc? He will suffer (and rot is hell) on Australian wickets? I would love to see him fail in England against England? Misbah will be tested in South African conditions? He can not perform on fast-tracks? … The list is simply endless.

    What hurts the most is ALL of these comments are coming from patriotic Pakistani fans. 😦

    I am sure if a new blogger comes to LS, he will be surprised at how Pakistani fans themselves are criticizing their own players and that too when the team is performing so well just on pure assumptions that “What If …”.

    Another point which comes to mind is that almost all of this “Hypothetical” criticism is mainly about Misbah. I never saw someone saying will Hafeez be able to perform in South Africa? Will Younis Khan score on Australian wickets? Or Will Shahid Afridi score 75 runs and take 5 wickets in English conditions?

    It is understood that Hafeez, Younis and Afridi will all do just that in any part of the world, but it is ‘presumed’ that Misbah will not. And since Misbah will not, why not criticize him starting ‘NOW’.

    This is so not fair. 😦

    Misbah is NOT Malik …

    We see and hear a lot of comparison of Misbah with Malik ….Why ❓

    There are some major difference in both of them and if the first alphabet of their names, M, is same it doesn’t mean they are both the same person. Few of the main differences between Misbah and Malik are as below:

    Most importantly, Misbah is Educated and Malik is not, Malik comes from political backgrounds where Rahman Malik and Firdous Awan are from his city and have shown their open support for Malik but Misbah doesn’t have any political backings, Misbah is 37 years old while Malik is 29 so they come from different age-group, Malik have a celebrity status with famous Indian wife whereas Misbah comes from humble backgrounds, Malik have lot of influence, power and backing from ‘system’ because even PCB Chairman was under his pressure but Misbah don’t have any of this, Malik is rich with properties all over the world which is not the case with Misbah, and finally Malik is ‘meesna’ politician and uses a lot of diplomacies to get his things done and have a clout in Pakistani cricket whereas Misbah is a straightforward and polite personality who doesn’t get involved in any scandals and rumours.

    Both are separate individuals coming from different cities so why blame them for supporting and helping each others. It is understood in cricket, like in any other game, every player (Captain) have their own preferred choices/ options. Imran Khan had, Wasim had, Younis had, Salman Butt had, and even Afridi had (that guy whom he gave so many chances in important World Cup games and he kept on failing). So why to blame only Misbah for helping Malik or vice versa, even Shahid Afridi openly requested his preference for Shoaib Malik to be included for the World Cup team, so does that mean Afridi also is having some underlying motive ❓

    So why is it that if Shahid Afridi was openly and strongly requesting PCB/ Ijazz Butt to include Shoaib Malik in the team then this was no big deal and no one raised any objections, but if Malik have now come back in the team, why every one (at least every one on LS) is thinking that it is only because of Misbah’s favouritism ❓

    I am positive, that if Malik or his supporters want him to play in the team, then Misbah can not do anything to keep him out, he is ‘weaker’ then Malik in contacts and influence in PCB.

    Everyone is Praising and Appreciating Misbah … NOW …

    This has been mentioned by me several times in the last few days/ weeks. The simple reason why peoples started appreciating Misbah, NOW, is frankly because the team is performing well and some, if not much, of its credit also goes to Misbah for being the captain. Accordingly, NOW, peoples have started objecting to your criticism of Misbah (although you have been severely criticizing him for 2/ 3 years) because there is absolutely no reason for it ….. NOW.

    You think .. no no, you believe, that Misbah have some inbuilt flaws which will NEVER change or improve, whereas most of the other guys, including myself, think that Misbah, just like anybody else, can change or improve himself. So there is nothing, permanently, wrong with him, which accordingly to you could have been the case with say, Malik. Malik’s situation was more like problem in his nature and not game, while Misbah’s problem seems to be more about his game/ planning/ defensive strategy/ batting flaws/ etc. which can be addressed and improved. By nature Misbah’s character is not as bad as ‘may be’ Malik.

    This is why today most of the ex-players, commentators, writers, experts, and well-reputed cricket journalists like Dr. Kamran Abbasi, Dr. Saad Shafqat, Osman Samiddin and others have changed their opinion about Misbah and are giving him his due share of credit, not only Cricinfo but also so many other newspapers/ journals. It is logically unbelievable that all these respected journalist and experts are wrong and they can not see the devil in Misbah, which is visible only to few peoples.

    I am sure all these guys and ex-players would not have been Misbah fans from day one and most of them might had criticized him for his shortcomings in the past, but that does not mean that the guy is branded “useless” and gone-case for the rest of his biological life. No Sir, it is not so.

    Peoples make mistakes and they get punished but when the same persons show some improvements they are forgiven and accepted as normal human beings without any prejudices. Even a murderer or a criminal is allowed to live respectfully in a society after he has completed his sentence and changed for good.

    Misbah is the Best Option … for NOW …

    I think if we ask any Pakistani fan (including some non-Pakistanis) that who is our best option for Captainship of Pakistan cricket team right now, they will not hesitate for a minute and unanimously say, Misbah, simply because team is showing obvious improvements and it is proved by their higher rankings and wins. Misbah is definitely performing to the best of his individual capabilities but at times even the biggest players fail, so why target Misbah only for his failures. The team under him is showing improvements and he should be credited at least for this part.

    Shahid Afridi has a heart-of-gold and is a gem of a person. He is team-player, have good-feelings, is not negative about anyone, carries a lot of positive energy, performs with his batting, balling, and fielding, is younger than Misbah, have fairly good leadership and motivating qualities, is a better utility player than Misbah, may have better averages than Misbah, have much higher fan-following than Misbah, have beard and ‘may be’ he is a better Muslim then Misbah, so on and so forth.

    But does all of this prove that Misbah is useless and should be blamed for everything that he is not ❓

    Every human being have his own plus and minuses and like Misbah, Afridi or anyone else will have some negatives and similarly Misbah, no matter how bad and useless, will definitely have some positives. I agree that Misbah may not become half as good as a captain Afridi may be, but one thing is for sure that Misbah will never, NEVER, bite a ball in the middle of a ground with thousands of fans and hundreds of cameras targeting him.

    So when we give credit to Shahid Afridi to help the team to motivate and reach the World Cup semi-final after so many years, similarly, we should also give some tiny bit of credit to Misbah to help perform this team after so many issues and problems.

    Can we do that, please ❓

    If we stop assuming things in the thin air, then we will know that right ‘NOW’ Pakistan cricket needs only Misbah as captain.

    Fair Criticism is Everyone’s Right … But ‘FAIR’ …

    Finally, I would like to conclude this extremely lengthy comment by saying that it’s a free world and no one can stop someone else from criticizing or even appreciating anybody, and every one of us is free to his own viewpoint, but the logical and fair criticism is always what is well-received and accepted not otherwise. Unfortunately, all we see here on LS is unfair criticism, personal taunts, abuses, names calling, jokes, and distraught conspiracy theories against Misbah. This is more like a planned campaign which is to topple the guy.

    At the same time, if someone criticizes anybody’s weakness and flaws to this extent, then I think it is only fair that they should sometimes appreciate a few of his positives and not totally ignore and rather criticize even his qualities by assuming things which are actually not.

    This seems more like a personal vendetta against a certain one person rather then fair journalism.

    Last Word …

    I have been really busy for last few months and may continue to be in future and that is why my contribution have reduced here on LS, but I have taken time and put some efforts in these comments. So if I have, intentionally or unintentionally, hurt someone with these words, I render my apologies well in advance.

    I am not very positive that with my one comment, no matter how detailed it may be, I will be able to change much, but I have given it my best shot and tried to explain whatever was going on in my mind for last few weeks.

    One thing is for sure, I think I would never be able to write such a lengthy comment on any other blog, and for that I want to “Thank LS” very much. This is, no doubt, the most liberal blog around.

    I am sure few of the points raised in my above comments are very valid and relevant and it will be difficult to counter them logically, so I am expecting to receive a lot of sarcastic, one-liner, and teasing-type replies without much serious contents.

    Although, I would like to receive some valid and serious replies to my above comments with good reasoning, but I am sorry I would not be in a position to continue this Misbah debate for endless times. I neither have the will and energy nor the time and patience to continue for ever without any result or positive change.

    Take care all and still love LS. 🙂

  227. #228 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 1:14 PM

    khansahab

    in your ODI IX, Zulqarnain has no place, he cannot come and play after all that Drama-bazy, So please write him off.

    Abdul Razzaq I thought he was injured and went off to Pakistan but, I see his name in the ODI squad against BD.

    Mohammad Khalil has been included, I dunno much about him except for his medium fast bowling and that too his last intl. match was about 6 years ago. And, I don’t even know if he was any good?

    I wonder what HAMMAD AZAM has done to the selectors?

  228. #229 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 1:21 PM

    A LOW jee Munir ki kitaab Shaye ho gayee, ab parhnay ka TAME nikalna paray ga! 😀

  229. #230 by NewGuy on November 30, 2011 - 1:48 PM

    I think Munir wrote quite well on the topic of Misbah, I have not had chance to read the last part, which I intend to do later. On the whole I think Misbah as captain deserves merit, and his batting has certainly provided solidity, whether they are in Test matches, ODIs, or T20s. I also agree comparison between Misbah and Malik are not appropriate, Misbah is a far better captain. In fact, from what I have seen as a neutral observer, he is the best Pakistan captain in last 5-6 years, precisely since Inzi retired.

    Having said that, some of this performance is really because the corrupt elements have been thrown out, jailed, and there is an administration change. Just how much it attributed to that vs. how much of it is attributed to Misbah is anyone’s guess. I don’t agree it is 100% former, and 0% credit to Misbah as JK and KS puts it.

    We have to remember that Afridi quit as captain and do not want to play tests, he also got involved in ball biting controversy, Younis Khan quit several times and cannot keep the outfit together, others were worse. Misbah look like he is mentally tough. He has not reacted a single word to all those abusing him for WC semi defeat. Based on what we have seen so far, Misbah is a cool head, what is exactly needed now.

    I am no Misbah fan, he may be only an average player, but he has been doing an above average job for Pakistan as captain.

  230. #231 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 1:57 PM

    Woah

    Munir bhaiyya amaan shayari nahi kartay leken kitaab khwaan ban gaye ho??

  231. #232 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 2:00 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Hamary Wazeer e Kharja Mohtarma Hina Rabbani Khar achi lagti hain.

  232. #233 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 2:06 PM

    Newguy

    Your reasons for supporting Misbah are noteworthy, but I don’t think he is a better captain than Afridi. Afridi took a broken and demoralised team to the World Cup Semi Final which ironically Pakistan lost because of Misbah.

    In fact you can say that the current good performance is only because of the WC performance. The players are so motivated that they believe they can make Pakistan a top team.

    Plus, what good is a captain if he can’t perform himself? Misbah is a mediocre batsman, Afridi is a world class bowler.

    Now please don’t say Misbah is the calibre of Nasser Hussein or someone like that. Firstly, Hussein could bat reasonably well and won a few matches for England (Misbah has won no matches yet) and secondly as a tactician and decision maker he was top notch.

    See how unbiased and analytical his commentary is.

  233. #234 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 2:17 PM

    Well Munir, Unglion ka massage kerwana para hoga baad may! 😀

    It is good that you have expressed your views instead of bottling them inside and sulking, I always believe in airing your views with an open mind and a clean heart.

    First of all I have never said a single time that I write better than those high profile writers i.e., the names you have mentioned in your comment. In fact I have never said I write better than anyone, because my style of writing is unique, like yours, tom’s, khansahab’s, newguys etc. One thing is fo sure, I do no sugarcoat my words, I am blunt and straightforward. And, I have also told you that when you write a blog for a big newspaper, magazine or sports column, you have to abide by the rules of that blog and most high profile writers are NOT bold enough to speak their heart out. They are professionals and they are paid besides they care for their reputation and do not mention anything which is politically in-correct. They want to be appreciated and read by ALL. Whereas, here we are not that big and nor do we care about who is reading our comments.

    Secondly, to answer your question about Malik i.e., why I don’t consider him as a good player is exactly like you think Malik is good and Misbah is good, but I don’t think so. I have the right to express my views about them the way I see them. I have seen Malik’s interview by Ramiz in which he admitted fixing/throwing away a domestic match (ABN AMRO tournament) and Malik was so rude in responding to Ramiz, actually he shunned him and everyone else who was expecting something decent from him. That was Malik’s real ugly face. On the contrary at Pakistan level, he used to suckup to Inzi and others. Then, he started making groups and played dirty politics (he already did that at domestic level) and his performance in the past or the current one does not justify him a place, it is all political and if you believe it is based on performance then you are naive.

    Thirdy, I have no personal grudge or hatred towards Misbah (or even Malik, Butt, Asif, Aamir, Kamran, Rana etc.) for me they are just players they are NOT my idols. When Waqar and Wasim used to play I used to admire their bowling and I still consider them as one of the great bowlers of Pakistan. But, their messy personal life is being imposed on us through the media, through the TV and whatever shit they excrete is being regarded as a rarity. There will be a time when our future generations would also be collecting their chewed “chewing gums” which they stick them under the table or leave them in the ashtrays like Britney Spears used chewing gums are sold for $150 a piece. Yae Zamana bhee aye ga, jab Huns Chuggay ga Dana Kankar, KuVva Moti khayega.

    Not just in India, even in Pakistan, there are people who literally worship the players they like because of the so-called celebrity status they have achieved by hook or by crook. If our nation’s standard is such that the new generation stick posters of these people on the walls on their bedrooms and consider them as their idols ….. tou soch lo kay Anjaam-e-Gulistan kya hoga?

    Fourthly, about Younus Khan, YOU think we support him or we cover his follies? You must be out of your thinking capsule. During Bob Woolmer’s time I wrote so many comments to get rid of this Baffoon especially since that Mohali test match famous for Abdul Razzaq and Kamran’s innings in saving it from a loss to a draw. It was YK who dropped two catches of Tendulkar when he was on 8-9 and kept laughing as if nothing happened and Tendulkar scored 91. But, then his luck changed and YK scored a double century and a big hundred in Kolkata and Bangalore. Since the captaincy drama he once again made himself a joker by saying I am not a dummy captain. After that his performance has been very sporadic. ASK khansahab, that I was against him to include not only in T20 but, even in ODI’s You may not have read my comments but, I am sure khansahab will vouch for me.

    I think only yesterday tom also mentioned something about Younus that he is not the same anymore, I have said this b4 that he is over the hill and should not play shorter versions of the game. And, in my opinion Misbah tou na sirf over the hill hai balkay pahaar ki pichlee side kay down the hill aur uss kay khudday may hai, tou utthai mitti pao aur chudd do. Aur Malak ko tou Saniya kay Baghair, jungle bia baan, chattiyal maidaan ya saaray Hindustan kay safar per bhej dou shayed phir koi Hyderabadan say tukra jaye aur vaheen Charminar kay neechay Chaar Payee Laga ker, Chaar Soo kay house ki teraf dekhtay howay Chowthi BV kay khowab dekhay.

    GEO TV per sala ro, ro ker kaha thaa…. Ayesha say shaadi iss liyeh nahee ki thee kay Ammi nay kaha, Hyderabadi larki say nahee kisi Punjabi larki say shaadi kero. Jab Sania nay dana daalaa tou saray AssOOOllll toot gaye! Phir vaheen ghuss gaye kion kay she is more famous and more richer than him. Tou ye ho gaye Sahab, Bibi kay Ghulam. Isn’t it enough to know the character of a person? If you think this is OK then Veena Malik ko log kion bura kehtay? Just because she is a woman?

  234. #235 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 2:34 PM

    Munir sahab

    I have not read your entire comment (I will read it later) but I am pleased that you have taken the time to speak your mind and defend your stance.

    I must applaud this whether you agree with me or vice versa, but I am really glad that though you might feel JAK or I am biased, you have taken the pains to express yourself. It shows that freedom of expression exists here and that people should not feel disheartened if a number of people disagree with them.

  235. #236 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 2:40 PM

    newguy

    If you are seeing Misbah as a short term captain or considring him as a stop gap arrangement then it is different, especially since the team is playing against minnows and winning, to me it means nothing, even if Imran Nazir is made the captain, this team will win. Because, these winning have nothing to do with Misbah’s efforts as a great cool captain. Realistically, even if Hafeez is made the captain the results may have still be the same. The main reason the team is playing well is:

    1. Afridi brought back the confidence in the Tutti Fruity team, gelled them well despite the fact that certain corrupt elements were still his team and the reason he opted out of the test match in England was he was unable to control them. To say Waqar, Inti and other officials were unaware of Majeed’s background and the way he was seen with Butt, Asif, Aamir, Riaz, Kamran etc., was so obvious to AKHROAT AFRIDI who is often criticized for his idiosyncrasies and stupidites and yet these SMARTY PANTS were dumb and duh that they did not know what the players were doing under their nose?

    2. Ijaz Butt has gone, that is a big relief for ALL, he was a dangling BUTT on top of everyone’s head.

    3. The corrupt players are out and are serving jail sentence, that is one BIG factor to keep the team focused on the game and not the bookies.

    4. It is the nature of our people to worship the RISING SUN and they always do this, so it is nothing new to me.

    When Afridi opted out of the test, Salman Butt was made the captain and Pakistan won that test, and I hope how many of you remember the praise and accolades that were showered by these GREAT HIGH PROFILE WRITERS that SALMAN BUTT is the man with the right attitude and a young captain who can lead the team for at least a decade. Whao!! Great visionaries I must say. He turned out to be the ring leader, a culprit who ruined the game, country’s reputation and the career of a few young individuals.

    Misbah is like an old and frail Mother in Law, everyone knows she is there, but no one goes to her.

  236. #237 by JAVED A. KHAN on November 30, 2011 - 3:02 PM

    Munir

    On Shoaib Malik, I forgot to mention that, yes I am against him since the last 5-6 years because of his negative tactics, Meesna pan and disgustipatingly pathetic performance. But, others realized his meesna pan much later. And here are a couple of examples, rather instances.

    1. Intikhab Alam the, then manager of the team said about Shoaib Malik: “Deemak ki terha mera dimagh khaa jaata tha vo,” he needs to be seen by a psychiartist” Aur kya chahiyeh that he was eating his brain like a termite and being the manager of the team he reported this.

    2. When Abdul Qadir was with the team in the UAE, he said” I wanted to send back Shoaib Malik because he wouldn’t play and he won’t let others play.”

    This is also a very serious remark. Still he gets a chance to be in the national team and that too in ALL formats? Whats wrong with Fawad Alam they are making him another Asim Kamal (making him disappear). Whats wrong with HAMMAD AZAM?? Why persist with Imran Farhat?

  237. #238 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 3:24 PM

    Munir sahab

    I will try and respond to as many points as possible. Like you, I also don’t feel that my response will effect any “positive change”. Sometimes reasoning and providing opinions does not work no matter how hard you try. Ultimately people either turn a cold shoulder or turn a blind eye. We have a problem here that, we have come to know each other reasonably well and we like to believe that the other person is biased. If we feel the other person is biased and holds a grudge then we will not want to shun our own pride and ego in order to believe the other person even if we feel their argument might be valid or noteworthy.
    Such situations can happen between family members, friends, countries, everyone- people feel sometimes that it is better just to leave or part ways if there seems to be endless disagreement.

    Now in such a situation where one believes the other is biased, and accepting someone else’s opinion transgresses from what might really be the truth or a better understanding of an issue into, a matter of pride and ego, how do you succeed and change someone’s opinion? You can’t. You can try and prove to the other person that you are sincere, and you can try and prove that you are humble and mean well. You might win over someone in the process but you might not win over others.

    MISBAH AS A BATSMAN

    He is the captain and he needs to perform. What two opinions can there be on this? He needs to perform better than the other specialists because he is their leader. Exceptions to this rule are people like Nasser Hussein who were extraordinary in their captaincy. Misbah so far has seemed to lack imagination and aggression. As to his strike rate, we all agree that he has a poor SR in Tests. You also mention other batsmen such as Taufeeq (we say he should not be in the team) and Azhar and Shafiq. I have also said a few times Shafiq should not be in the team. As far as Azhar goes, we have complained that he is very slow and this slow approach is endorsed by the captain too. In fact it may be because the captain plays slowly that everyone else plays slowly. As for ODI’s, you have mentioned everyone’s career strike rates, but you did not mention the crucial point about Misbah which is his CURRENT or RECENT strike rate. You said that it does not take a genius to tell why people are paying attention to our criticism of Misbah NOW because it is NOW or recently that Misbah is the captain, or that the team is doing well, or that he is performing well, or whatever

    So my question is that, why don’t you talk about the strike rate NOW OR OF LATE? Why do you talk about the career strike rates? Because, if you were to talk about Misbah’s ODI strike rates, you would realise that when he made his return in 2007, it was 88, next year it was 99, next year it was 66, next year it was 58 and this year it has been 70 and it is slightly better because he has been playing against minnows mostly in 2011. In T20 his SR was 127 in 2007, 128 next year, 102 next year, 91 next year and 117 this year although he has played a lot of minnows, again. So there is a general decline there too.

    No one had a problem with him in 2007 and 2008 and this is what we have said, that his batting became selfish as he became a senior player.

    PATRIOTISM

    If I was anti Pakistan I would not be on this blog. Javed A Khan would have long kicked me out 😉

    I am not anti Pakistan and I am sorry, but I don’t need anyone’s certificate to prove which countries I have an association with or which countries I am interested in. I can say that Misbah supporters are anti Pakistan because they are supporting a poor captain. Why should Pakistan be led by a poor batsman and a poor captain? Only Pakistan’s enemies would want that.

    MOHALI

    So, where is your patriotism when you claim it was JUST A GAME? If we want Pakistan to lose because of Misbah (assuming that is the truth) then it is not “just a game” but a matter of nationalism?!

    WHAT IF FACTOR

    A new blogger did come recently and he is now called Zen. Rather than worry about why Pakistanis are criticising their own team, he is worried about why Pakistanis are supporting Misbah.

    LAST WORD

    I can also talk about Misbah’s performances in draws, and how he has only ever been able to perform when a top order batsman has laid a platform for him etc, but there is no need to repeat my views.

  238. #239 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 3:31 PM

    Javed A Khan

    I remember you criticised Younis Khan, not only did you do a special thread on him titled, “I don’t want a dummy captain” but I remember Awas was critical of your views too at that time because he was supporting Misbah.

  239. #240 by Mohammed Munir on November 30, 2011 - 3:37 PM

    Javed Khan …

    About Hammad Azam why don’t you ask this from Shahid Afridi. Afridi was the Captain when they took him for a tour but the Captain did not let him play and poor lad was made to sit out entire tour. Did you blame Afridi for that ❓

    Also ask him why he played that guy, Shahzeb 😉

    Same about Malik, why was Afridi insisting on including him for the WC Team ❓

    BTW, you have started discussing about Malik, Hammad, Younis and others but the main subject of my comment was … MISBAH, remember ❓

    Are you purposely devianting from main topic, Ya Masala Kum Pard Gaya Hai ❓ 😉

  240. #241 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 4:14 PM

    Hi KS

    back from my tour

    zen ke zehn mein “khar dimagh” hae, use khar nai pasand

    jahan tak tamatar aur teende aur sabzi ka talaak hae, kheerey to yahan waafir miqdaar mein hain 😉

    aur tamatar aur teende to is blog per ki jaane wali shayri buland awaaz se padhne se padoss se ajati hae- no tension.

  241. #242 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 4:44 PM

    KS

    aap ka dewan kab chap raha hae?

  242. #243 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 9:00 PM

    All the euphoria regarding departure of Butt is gone.

    Butt’s legacy continues and his ghost will continue to haunt pakistan cricket in form of mesbha.

    jeo Butt , tusi master stroke khel gae!

  243. #244 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 9:03 PM

    KS

    blogger zen says rather than worry about why paki……..??

    where are paki’s criticizing their own team? i dont see that

    there are only handful like us who criticize this setup and mesbha as captain.

    one thing is clear- all bloggers agree he’s an average batsman. pk is just like WI where inadequate players are made captain as a stop gap measure. so its true to say that were kings amongst minnows.

  244. #245 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 9:11 PM

    KS

    how a leader invokes stability?

    how one defines calmness of a leader?

    3 cricketers come to my mind when we talk about stability, calmness and pressure handling.

    first was miandad- man of crisis, mard e buhran.

    second was steve waugh- i think he was called mr ice cool. led as a batsman and a remarkable skipper.

    third is dravid- fort, wall. we all know how he fights for india.

    now by their performance, mind you not by their presence they provide stability. stability doesnt come by standing in the pavilion.

    similarly calmness is exhibited when wickets are falling and a batsman tries to fight.

    I havent seen mesbha deliver either of these.

  245. #246 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 10:09 PM

    Zen

    You must have heard about Hasan Nisar, the Pakistani journalist?

    I was watching some clips of his on Youtube and I found him to be a very enlightened and sensible person.

    He was asked about the reason for backwardness of Muslims all around the world and whether this is a conspiracy of non Muslims. He said that, when the non Muslims were pursuing education centuries ago, Muslims were only concerned about power and wealth. He gave examples of Muslim rulers from various generations to back his claim.

    He was asked about the role of religion in Pakistan and he said that, religious scholars present a distorted viewpoint of Islam and he has never heard any Mullah speak sensibly about “duniya” because they always focus on the afterlife.

    He was asked about Zulfiqar Mirza’s statements against Mohajirs and he said that, this is a shameful statement because Mohajirs made Pakistan and they contributed immensely to Pakistan in the early years because of their higher levels of education. He said that, Mirza himself is a mohajir because his ancestors established themselves in a land which belonged to Hindus.

    He was asked about the condition of Muslims in India and he said that, although their condition is bad, it is not worse than the condition of Pakistani Muslims.

    This man has a lot of guts and speaks the truth but unfortunately people like him are a minority in Pakistan.

  246. #247 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 10:14 PM

    Zen

    Well, Mohd Munir thinks that criticising Misbah or hoping for his ouster from the team is unpatriotic and he asked what a new blogger on this blog would think seeing that the blog is “anti Pakistan”. So, I gave your example to say that you are relatively new and you don’t feel it is an anti Pakistan blog.

  247. #248 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 10:15 PM

    Qibla

    sare journalist ache

    sare politician ache

    sare cricketer ache

    fasadi sirf awam 😉

    amaan chodye is qisse ke sach bolta kaun hae aur sunta kaun hae.

  248. #249 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 10:17 PM

    Tom

    Misbah is calm because he doesn’t bite the ball, because he can speak English and because he does not express himself vehemently on the field.

    I suppose that is calmness but lazy and reactive people like Inzamam were also laid back on the field.

    There were some reports that he participated in politics at the time of Younis Khan and Afridi’s captaincy so that does not indicate calmness, but we don’t really know.

    When you say calmness is about batsmen trying to fight, I know what you are saying, but a lot of Misbah supporters believe that fighting means just blocking every ball that comes your way and thinking that drawing the match is better than winning the match.

  249. #250 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 10:22 PM

    Zen

    I get it. He is probably not a PTI supporter so you won’t approve of him 😉

  250. #251 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 10:27 PM

    Zen

    Today I watched the final Transformers movie.

    Absolute trash.

    I can’t believe Hollywood can succumb to such BS.

  251. #252 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 10:30 PM

    Qibla

    i just want to say one thing

    whn ijaz butt was head, team was winning

    this is zakat’s first series rite

    so it was ok to abuse butt, make fun of him although mesbha was capt in the last 3-4 test series.

    So team was winning,mesbha was capt so he should be praised and criticism of mebha is like treason.

    But its ok to abuse his boss- how hypocritical!

    Ks, we all have favorites. We muslims are but prasats. There is a morti in heart of everyone. Once that morti is abused, all akhlaki dars starts pouring.prior to that same conduct is approved coz the subject is not the morti.
    So its laughs 4 butt and tears 4 mebha.

    Mebha supporters should have the decency to thank butt coz he appointed the so called cool boy. If mebha is the rite choice,butt should get the credit. But its all doghla pan.

    Very ordinary!

  252. #253 by Zen on November 30, 2011 - 10:35 PM

    Amaan ks

    aap ne hamari aap beti kaha padhi?

    Itne andazey mat lagaen- hum gulati baz admi hain

    waise aj mujhe pti ka sms aya tha. Unho ne ilhaq ki raye mangi,mein ne mana kardya 😉

  253. #254 by Aatma-hathya on November 30, 2011 - 10:48 PM

    Zen

    I agree about Butt.

    OK man gotta go, speak tomorrow.

  254. #255 by NewGuy on December 1, 2011 - 12:20 AM

    Some quick comments.

    First, everything I say about Misbah is as an interim captain, for a couple of years, he already has been at helm for 6-8 months now? so may be another year to 18 months.

    Second, it sounds to me like JK and KS wants Shahid Afridi as captain. But this is not possible for a couple of reasons. One, he doesn’t play Tests and he threw away Test spot and captaincy. Two, he quit ODI captaincy as well after WC based on difference in opinion with previous board chairman. National captaincy is not something you throw away and then get back when you want and when you feel the mood for. Because of this reason, Afridi do not deserve to get captaincy back, IMO.

    As a player, Afridi is a world class player and can walk into any international team, in his preferred short formats. But not every world class player is captaincy material. Sachim and Sehwag are not, perhaps Afridi is not either, he is too temperamental. Pakistan need a level head, Misbah surely is humble and he is level headed. He may not be world class player, but that is OK, neither is Dhoni in Test format, but he leads team with far superior players to him in Tests.

    Third, KS and JK said Afridi inspired team to perform in WC, but at the same time they discount Misbah’s role in inspiring team now when it is winning under him. It sounds like the Team will win anyway regardless of captain, if so, then WC wins were not attributed to Afridi’s captaincy either. Team was motivated to win in a big tournament like WC by it’s own. It cannot work both ways.

    Finally, Misbah needs some credit, he has taken a job that neither Afridi, nor Younus Khan wanted, and he is not complaining. Isn’t this worth appreciating?

  255. #256 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 1:58 AM

    Munir

    On Hammad Azam your reply is very unscrupulous, contemptuous and scornful. I never thought you would reply like a high school kid. So I am gonna ask you these questions:

    Is Shahid Afridi the Chief Selector?

    You think Shahid Afridi had any say in chosing the playing XI? (The team was selected and Captain was not announced for weeks, REMEMBER?)

    Why do you think Afridi had a row with Waqar and Inti? (Kya koi Khandani dushmani hai uski?)

    Why do you think Afridi had differences with the selectors and the PCB Chairman?

    Once Afridi was asked by the media:”Who in your opinion is going to be the next dependable batsman for the Pakistan team?”

    Do you remember whose name he mentioned? Fawad Alam.

    Like Hammad Azam, Fawad Alam also sat in the dugout throughout the tour and they never gave him any chance.

    Do you know the reason? Because, Wasim, Waqar, Ramiz Raja kept talking about the YOUNGSTA BEAUTY so much that he never got any chance.

    (Ab Fawad Alam Shaadi ker kay gham ghalat ker reha hai.)

    Also, your second question about why Afridi was asking for inclusion of Malik in the team?

    1. At professional level, perhaps he may still have hopes that Malik might perform better than Imran Farhat, Asad Shafiq, Taufeeq Umar etc. I don’t agree with him if that is his idea or his notion whatever. Because, Malik is not worth to be in the team.

    2. At personal level, he may still have some personal liking for Malik, which I dunno but, it is possible.

    3. The most important factor is he did not want the people of Punjab to feel that as soon as Afridi is captain he wants to get rid of Malik. Whereas, Malik gave him a chance. The truth is if he had not asked, they would have bombarded this info on all the blogs, newspapers and talked about Afridi as a biased person. By nature he is emotional and aggressive but, he doesn’t hold grudge.

    If you spend time writing a comment for X number of days and it is too long, obviously I can’t reply to you point by point because this is a blog and not an email. Either here on the blog or, on the email, I simply type without thinking and I type very fast, so I felt that my comment was getting too long and if I respond to you in similar fashion, people will not read them.

    But, you with your wink are taunting @ me kay kya Masala Khatam ho gaya? You know me very well, I can write books (not just a book, but books) on cricket and cooking both. So, neither you underestimate me nor you throw the gauntlet at me, because here on the blog I am not going to pick it up because tusi saaday Mehmaan ho.If you don’t know this, then I wouldn’t even call you a naive person, because even a naive person knows more than that.

  256. #257 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 2:22 AM

    NewGuy

    On your few quick comments on Misbah and Afridi, your perspective is different from ours.

    Captains, Presidents, Prime Ministers are not chosen for an interim period, it is not a game of musical chairs.

    Like a country, a team must also have a long term plan, a short term plan. In the long term plan a captain is chosen for a longer period of time so that he can create stability in the team. For that the Captain must have full support and total backing from the Management (here the PCB) it is only then the players respect you. But, this is not the only thing. The captain MUST perform and lead by example otherwise the whole purpose is negated and leads to chaos and failure.

    You are admitting that Misbah’s appointment is a stop gap arrangement by saying, “Afridi quit ODI captaincy and does not deserve to get the captaincy back.” YOU ARE WRONG.

    First of all, Afridi did not quit ODI captaincy he quit TEST captaincy. And, he resigned when the differences between him, Waqar and Ijaz Butt grew, because he knew they are all ganging up against him. There is a difference between quitting and resigning. This is not the first time, they did with him. In every era, all those so-called great captains, Wasim did, Waqar did, Inzi did, Malik did, they all dropped him for not performing in just 2 matches.

    Look at Malik how many matches he has played in the recent past, and that too against the minnows and, what is his score, average, strike rate? Misbah is giving him not just a chance but numerous chances. Had Afridi failed in this recent series, his career would have ended, they would have sent him back by saying he lost his mojo and he needs to play domestic cricket to improve his batting.

    Secondly, there is a big difference between Misbah’s winning against minnows and Afridi’s taking the langree loolee team to semi-final which his team could have won, had there been no Misbah. So, to say both are inspiring the players is laughable. It is like you build a structure and someone else takes over, does THOOK POLISH and take the credit for the entire project.

    And, NewGuy it is NOT that I want Afridi to be THE CAPTAIN of the team. If Misbah can play a reasonable role i.e., improve his strike rate, be more aggressive and positive and WIN against BIG teams then I will not criticize him. But, if he remains to be NEGATIVE and still the team is winning. I don’t give him shit.

  257. #258 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 6:07 AM

    “Shoaib Malik will be under pressure. He’s not been in great touch since his return to international cricket, after being cleared by the PCB’s integrity committee. His scores in his last six international innings read: 7, 11, 2, 0, 2* and 2. While part of a team on the upswing, his own form has been on the decline and another couple of failures won’t augur well for his selection prospects.”

    ***************

    Still he is gonna play in this first ODI? If so, then it is really a SAD DAY for Pakistan that a mediocre player who was once the captain of the Pak team is scoring so low against minnows that in 6 matches his average is below 5 runs per match and he will still play because of the strong lobby behind him.

  258. #259 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 8:26 AM

    Iam agrree abt afridi; had he under performed he wouldnt have been in bangla. he would have been ordered to go to pk and sell fish!

    MALIK HAS MFM STATUS ( MOST FAVORITE OF MESBHA); nothing vulgar 😉

    I think he’ll play entire series with mebha saying his inspiro generator will ultimately motivate him to unscalable heights of tennis; oops sorry ckt.

    I dont think hell be under much prassare and his griayn is saapaorting him

  259. #260 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 8:32 AM

    bangla 34/5

    4 wkts to spinners

    sania gets a wkt

    so she’ll play as capt seems impressed by her performance 😛

  260. #261 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:46 AM

    Afridi took 5 wickets again, but he cannot score a fifty because Bangla Bandooz are all out for 91. Unless they send Afridi to open the innings which according to the captain it is; “MisPassible” Perhaps he might ask Malak if he can go and score some runs? Malik will say Na Baba Na Baba, I cannot play up the order anymore ! 😉 Allah Mirza jee ko salamat rekhay, Malaika Sania tou din ba din Nazuk Naher Fatay Zaher hoti jaa rehi hain.

  261. #262 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:51 AM

    Once again the credit will go to MissyBaba …….

    “Hazaron Saal Nargus apni bay Noori pay roti hai
    Baree Mushkil say hota hai chaman may cool cucumber paida”

  262. #263 by Mohammed Munir on December 1, 2011 - 10:00 AM

    MISBAHRISED Afridi gives another match winning performance. 😉 🙂 8) 😀 😛 🙄 😆

  263. #264 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:06 AM

    How about “Lallafied” Afridi takes MissyBaba on another roller coaster ride? And, Missy says, “Plaiyer” is all mine!

  264. #265 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 10:12 AM

    But when will mesbha misbharise Sania ?

    afridi mesbevated by kheera to another parfarmance! 😀

  265. #266 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 10:16 AM

    shaire tuktuk arz karte hain

    hazaron cumments mein legslip meri captaani nu koste hain

    wadi mushkal se hota hae jeeta hua match deraw 😛

  266. #267 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:18 AM

    Misbah agar ussay choray tou vo jaagay ga
    Misbah kainda A, “Tum meray “unqareeb” hoti ho koi “Doosra” nahee hota!

  267. #268 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:21 AM

    “Doosra” per yaad aya, has anyone of you seen the TV interview of Saeed Ajmal (taken by Ramiz) in fact they are 3 interviews, each one of them is hilarious, you will rotflol. Ajmal is the only guy who can match Waqar’s wits. And, his confidence is sky high….. with his 3 din purana Brit accent.

  268. #269 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:25 AM

    33/0 in 8 overs and writing is on the wall, loud and clear,

    Before the match after losing the toss, Misbah was gunn gunna-ing:

    Aaj phir haar nay ka irada hai,
    Aaj phir draw ki tummanna hai.

    Laikin kambakht Afridi nay saari pelan-ing pay paani phair diya!

  269. #270 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:29 AM

    Array BHOYE, gazab ho gaya!
    HOSSAIN, HOSSAIN ka kayse sore diya!
    Sala YimRan Fart loky hoy,

    Russan Robel bowling kiya
    NoSir Hossain slip may kayse sore diya!

  270. #271 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:32 AM

    Russan Robel bolta hoy

    Dekho Isko Bolta hoi Horami pan
    Sala NoSir Hossain hamara boling pay kayse sora
    aur khuda apna boling pay fart ko out kiya,

    Iss liyeh Bongla Des kobi turraki nai ker sakta
    Bhoi, Bhoi ko peesay say soori maarta!

  271. #272 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:39 AM

    How the impact of a negative player affects his partner on the other end?

    Mohammad Hafeez started well with a FOUR on the second ball and
    Farhat, played a maiden over (it was an 8 ball over because of 2 wides)
    Hafeez continued and when he reached 16 his strike rate was 133
    Because, Farhat played painfully slow, Hafeez got stuck on 18 for so long
    that his strike rate dropped to 51.42

    Then came YK another tuk tuk champion and Hafeez after a gap of 4-5 overs
    played a shot for FOUR and then the next ball he was OUT in trying to accelerate the run rate.

    That I guess is because the Pakistanis don’t want to come back and bat again they want to finish it in 20 overs.

  272. #273 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:41 AM

    YOUNUS KHAN OUT TOO……… like I said if you play a tuk tuk game you are a gonner.

    Hafeez’s free attacking was slowed down by Imran Farhat and he lost the momentum.

    Now, PK are 42/3, so who is coming? Malaika Rani Saniya Baji?

    aNO, The cool cucumber is in to protect his protege!

  273. #274 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:45 AM

    This is a copy paste from cricinfo commentary:

    Captain patient, Mich-ul-Haq, at the crease now

    Should have been Patient Captain Bich ul Haq…………….

    SARFARAZ OUT, 44/4

    Let us see whether it will be MisbahSlide or a AfridiRide?

  274. #275 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:48 AM

    The YOUNGSTA BEAUTY is on the CATWALK, lets see ye kis kul baith tay hain?
    The Bangloos are roaring and there is Panic in Bangkok, oooops I mean Pakistan.

    3 wickets in 24 balls, will someone take a mop and clean the graffiti on the wall……… please ! 😀

  275. #276 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 10:50 AM

    Cucumber will lead team to another historic victory

    at 42/3, team was in dire straits. Team needed somebody with a coool head. Hel provide stability to batting and win this almost lost match BAKAZ
    deraw is imposhible

  276. #277 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:55 AM

    With 0 runs in 13 balls, he is definitely trying for a draw.

  277. #278 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 11:08 AM

    Dinner time!

    Time to munch some kheeras,and then play a cool knock.

    Why sania is hiding in the dugout? She needs batng practice, she should cm out 2 bat.

  278. #279 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 11:09 AM

    Its Dina, Dina, Dina Batman ! Pakastan needs 34 runs with 6 wickets in hand.
    Today’s headlines are, Misbah hits a SIX after playing 16 dot balls.

    Btw, can the PCB send a one way ticket for
    Imran Farhat,
    Shoaib Malak and
    send a replacement wicketkeeper bakaoz this Sarfaraz is not a good keeper, the only reason he is in the team is bakaoz he is not a suckmul.

  279. #280 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 11:10 AM

    zen correction kero, he doesn’t munch but sucks! 😀

  280. #281 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 11:41 AM

    so onus is now on cool cucumber to guide this ship through treacherous waters and lead pk to another tareeeekhi draw!

    I think KS would love to see zulqarnain for his 88 instead of sarfaraz

    BTW, in brisbane NZ fought back from 90 odd for 5 to 176/5

    good fightback but they need someone to belaak the shtrike!

  281. #282 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 12:37 PM

    mubaraka mubaraka

    cool ne hek aur match jeetaya

    afridi nu dhaka dya

    ae kahende hae inspiration

    cricinfo had this to say: a bizarre fact

    mebah was the only batsman to have hit a six in this match

    o legslip walo, tusi kuch khyal karo, aeweyn mebha di taang khench deo.

  282. #283 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 12:39 PM

    O legslip walo

    mein ne afridi nu credit de dya ae.

    tusi meino bakshdeyo aur jao kheerey khao

    Misbah: “It was really looking tough at one stage, the spinners were getting some help, well played by Shahid Afridi. Some balls just straighten, and some turn and bounce. One important thing is, when you have a start you have to carry on, that is a problem with us, many of our batsmen get starts and don’t carry on. Afridi is playing wonderful cricket from the day he came back.”

  283. #284 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 12:41 PM

    Well there was talk that afridi’s knock in 4th odi was a one off thing.

    I feel that he can still play well as a batsman and it seems he’s delivering again 😆

  284. #285 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 1:28 PM

    Kamran Akmal meets PCB chief

    LAHORE: Discarded Pakistan wicketkeeper-batsman Kamran Akmal met PCB Chairman Zaka Ashraf on Wednesday in another attempt to resurrect his sagging international career.

    The experienced wicketkeeper, who received a lot of flak for his shoddy work behind the stumps during the past few series as well as the 2011 World Cup, has reportedly complaint about the selectors overlooking him despite his good performances in domestic matches.”

    Kamran conveyed to the board chairman that the selectors were being unfair to him despite his good performances in domestic cricket as he had ignored him for the Sri Lanka series and the Bangladesh tour,” a source close to the cricketer said.

    Kamran’s name also came up during the spot-fixing scandal along with pacer Wahab Riaz who has also not been picked during recent matches.

    The source added that Kamran had told Zaka that he had submitted all the necessary documents regarding his bank accounts and assets to the ICC and the PCB’s integrity committee and yet he was being sidelined.

  285. #286 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 1:35 PM

    Qibla

    if suckmal cms bk, it will be a disaster. He and beauty will ruin the team.

    Stay away suckwals 😛

  286. #287 by NewGuy on December 1, 2011 - 1:41 PM

    Javed Khan,

    I don’t see what is the huge issue again with Misbah as a neutral observer. I think most would agree that he has done a decent job at the top. You said you have to have long term planning, you are talking about Pakistan where even in the days of the greats there was no long term planning, things just happened. Even if you were do long term planning, considering the shambles Pakistan team was in, you need a stable head at the top, and again from someone looking from outside Misbah is doing that job.

    As for WC semi performance, what was Afridi’s contribution if I may ask? He was expensive with the ball and he did not do anything with the bat. Why only blame Misbah. Afridi was captain, what stopped him from coming up the order and raising the run rate, in fact, Afridi came even after Razzaq, by the time match is all but lost. I don’t see how Afridi motivated the team to perform. Pakistan does raise the games in ICC tournaments, even under Younus Khan they won the T20 WC.

    Afridi the player is a performer, no doubt, he did it again today. But I have to disagree with you that he is not captaincy material, he is too temperamental to be in that position.

    To me, I don’t see the huge problem you see, there are issues, for sure, but that is always there with any team.

    I think we simply have to agree to disagree on this topic.

  287. #288 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 1:52 PM

    Afridi wasnt expensive with the ball. Catches were dropped of his bowling.

    Afridi’s batting definitely improves whn he’s not capt.

    Million$ question is
    how would have mesbha fared if he had captained the side in WC
    Would pk had reached semi final. Would mesbha played like that the way he played.would mesbha had raised his bat for his 50 knowing prejty well he has lost match as skipper?
    Worth pondering or not?

  288. #289 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 1:54 PM

    Newguy

    Afridi’s contribution in that WC semi final may be been zilch (apart from the obvious fact that Tendulkar was dropped at least twice on his bowling) and if memory serves me right he was Pakistan’s most effective bowler in that match. Of course, he was the leading wicket taker along with Zaheer Khan who played one more match than Afridi.

    There is a difference between no contribution (Afridi) and losing the match and this is what Misbah did.

    In England, Australia or maybe even South Africa and India, they would have dropped a player for playing so selfishly in such an important match which some people claim is “just a game”.

    But in Pakistan they rewarded him by making him captain.

    Only in Pakistan you make a mediocre player captain because you think there might not be anyone else, and only in Pakistan you play a wicketkeeper not because of his keeping, but because of his batting only.

  289. #290 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 1:58 PM

    Zen

    Zaka Ashraf is heading to be a disaster I think.

    Why would anyone in their right mind even meet Kamran Akmal?

    After all that he has done over the past few years?

    How many matches has he lost?

    Is the PCB Chairman’s time so worthless that he has to meet this match loser and controversial player?

  290. #291 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 2:09 PM

    Qibla

    zaka is a DODO!

    There are chamcha musheers with him who advise him how to deal with issues.

    Sukmal has political connections and the way sarfraz is playng we may see the malak,sukmal triangle bk in action.

    That would be curtains and satta zindabad.

    What sakmal doesnt understand is that hes under icc probe. To play him would mean panga with icc.

    Ch2’s ki ckt mein kami nahi ghalib

    ek sukmal maro,hazar malak nikalte hain

    ks,what u make of malak? Hes a polluter mind u.

  291. #292 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 2:13 PM

    Zen

    I feel sorry for Malik because once he was the captain and now he is nothing although efforts are underway to somehow get him back in the team.

    This is really disappointing that Pakistanis care so much about getting players like Misbah, Malik and Akmal back in the team.

    That shows what they think of merit.

  292. #293 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 2:17 PM

    Shahid Afridi is my neighbour

    Rafay Mahmood

    I have a special bond with my house. It has nothing to do with nostalgia but simply because Shahid Afridi is my neighbour. I’m not quite sure if this affects property prices but just looking at the boy next door evolve into a champion and national captain gives me a lot of pride.

    I remember my younger days – as a guest in Karachi – when I’d wait to play cricket in the afternoon when this new Pakistani opener used to interrupt the match and take us all for Maghrib prayers.

    I went to the mosque because of him. When I moved to his street permanently, I finally realised the emotional connection the residents had with Afridi.

    The chawkidar (guard) of Shahid Afridi street considers himself above all because of his job, a much longed-for placement in the guard’s fraternity.

    The guard refuses to share his name or let me take his photo but allows his friend to hover around him just to catch a glimpse of Afridi.

    The area is surrounded by two parks and while the older generation’s daily discussion ranges from politics to diet plans, Afridi is a topic they never miss, lauding his humility and still greeting them whenever he comes across them. The younger generation, simply, consider him an icon.

    The phrase ‘I want to be like Afridi’ resonates most young hearts.

    “He can hit the ball out of the ground and he prays five times a day in the mosque,” remained Fahim’s reason for following Afridi with eyes shut.

    When Afridi’s father passed away, it was a moment of sorrow for the whole nation.

    However, for the neighbours it was an opportunity to spend some time with him — some even boasted about meeting him in days to come. My father was one of those diehard fans who went to his place three times a day for three days and narrated how the star greeted him and thanked him every single time.

    Closer to Eid, his cow remains the most-awaited cow. He takes out time to play street cricket with the kids, wearing slippers and bowling fast with a long run-up. In return, the street goes manic when he performs.

    When he won us the 2009 World Twenty20 or when his all-round effort won Pakistan the match in Sharjah, most Pakistanis were proud of him. But the level of happiness bore no end on his street. The entire street would gather outside his house with Pakistani flags, shouting and chanting praise for the all-rounder.

    At times, it turns into a shrine, summing up the love they have for him. His humility, in return, is an apt reward.

  293. #294 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 4:44 PM

    LOL newguy, this “neutral observer” phrase must not be used when we are talking about India Pakistan cricket because, we all know the players of both sides much more than most people. On commenting Dhoni or Tendulkar as a neutral observer does not make me a god who is watching them up above from the skies ! Therefore, please shelve this phrase. Our blogger Munir was trying to use this phrase by saying, ‘even newguy’ is saying this or, Osman Samiuddin, Saad Shafqat and Kamran Abassi are saying Misbah is a better captain than Afridi except for us, three KS, tom and I. Why can’t you guys be wrong?

    I dunno if you remember your own words when you admitted that, “now I see and understand why you guys have been criticizing Malik? And, now I fully agree with you people.” And, that was about Malik’s negative and selfish attitude and not only that he was and he still is a very mean person. Misbah, Malik, Kamran Akmal and Salman Butt are chips of the same block. Their motives and intentions are same. Misbah may not be involved in betting but, he is selfish because of his background. He was out of the national team for years and years and now that he is in, he wants to hold his place under his teeth. For his personal achievement he is doing the right thing. But, for the team, for the other players, for the future of Pakistan cricket, his approach is NEGATIVE.

    tom and khansahab has answered your question about Afridi’s performance in the WC semis. If Afridi performs in every match like he did today or in that ODI in Sharjah then he is the best player in the world, there will be no comparison to any player in that case (still he is one of the greatest and only one of his own kind, with so many world records) so, please don’t say that Afridi’s contribution was nothing. He was the one who brought the team to the semifinals and he was the best bowler of the WC – a joint record holder with Zaheer Khan (Zaheer played one extra match than Afridi) yet people discard him, shun him, criticize him and dump him.

    I dunno, in your case if you are persisting with this view only because you don’t want to change your views, ‘once spoken’ aur vo Patthar ki lakeer. That means you cannot change your views. It is natural for everyone that whenever they argue they stick to their point and what I don’t understand is whenever I crticize Afridi, no one pays any attention, especially Munir tou dumm daba ker bhaag jaata hai. Whenever I praise Tendulkar no one said anything, I even did an exclusive thread on him (with that butterfly example, he should remember to ignore it and, let the 100th butterfly sit on his shoulder). So, bombared me with criticism but, not unjust and unfair.

  294. #295 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 4:53 PM

    khansahab

    Did you see the “disgustipatingly” pathetic run rate of Misbah in today’s match? Once again he remained not out in such a low scoring match and scored ONLY 16 runs in 46 balls with a strike rate of 34.78 and he blocked the first 16 balls and hit a six on 17th. Wow, what a “grate” player he is? Is it grated cheese or grated potato? In either case you can make good hashbrowns.

    Instead of sending Sarfaraz he should have sent Shoaib Malik. Why is he protecting him so much? That just one wicket he took justifies his position in the team?

    I don’t trust Younus Khan as a batsman anymore, in fact I never liked his style of batting but, now he should retire and take Misbah in his arms kay aao chalo dukaandari kertay hain. At least there will be room for a few more “Youngsta Beauties.”

  295. #296 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 5:15 PM

    lo ji PCB ne bhi corruption ko rokney ka bandunbast kar lya

    ab aur maal banega 😆

    http://w.samaa.tv/newsdetwwail.aspx?IDh=39644&CID=3

  296. #297 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 5:17 PM

    sorry!

    this is the link for the anti corruption unit news

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=39644&CID=3

  297. #298 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 5:25 PM

    Well there has been a lot of talk about pakistan’s performance and reasons behind the recent success.

    what’s the main reason- deparure of butt, punishment of trio, team playing as one unit, mesbha/afridi…..

    Dawn asked its viewers and got some response.

    Comments are worth reading as they shed some light into factors behind this success.

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/29/why-is-the-pakistan-team-looking-so-sharp.html

  298. #299 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 5:35 PM

    hahaha….lazy captain

    hahaha…. hyper guy

    awaze khalq naqare khuda hoti hae!

  299. #300 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:28 PM

    Zen

    Afridi when he scored 75 and took 5 wickets in Sharjah last month, he became the only person in the world to do that twice. Had Misbah sent him up the order today, the chances were he could have made at least a 50 and made that record thrice. Khair, Afridi is not Tendulkarized or Gavaskarized, he loves to play for the team and scores freely and bowls bravely. Today, he did not celebrate his wickets in his usual style of raising his hands high until his team mates arrive and hug him. Perhaps he considered it as no competition and doing that would be an over-exaggeration.

    Also, he is one MoM award short to break the record for Pakistan, no one else has been named MoM so many times and, this is bugging a lot of people that he will soon be making 7000 runs, 300 sixes and even on the verge of breaking Waqar’s bowling record in ODI’s. So far Afridi has taken 333 ODI wickets, Waqar’s record is 408 or something and Wasim’s 502 in ODI.

    If Afridi plays for another 4 years, and plays sensibly then he can break all the records made by Pakistanis. Perhaps 10,000 plus ODI runs, 500 plus ODI wickets and 400 plus sixes is not impossible for him. He might say, let Misbah be happy & cool like a cucumber with his high average by remaining not out like today’s 16 in 46 balls strike rate of 34 and break Mudassar Nazar’s record in terms of strike rate in test cricket.

  300. #301 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:31 PM

    I have seen that DAWN wali news asking people to air their opinions. DAWN guys think they are extremely intelligent and creative. What they don’t realize is, they are asking the same obvious question which we have been talking about here. Just because it is in DAWN they think they are the best of the bestest Ch2yas.

  301. #302 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 9:36 PM

    Afridi if he plays properly and sensibly can become the GREATEST ODI ALL ROUNDER.

    He can walk virtually into any team. I dont think mebha will be welcome in top notch sides like aus,india, sa etc.

  302. #303 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:39 PM

    This is from GEO TV.

    “Afridi took his team home with an unbeaten 24 off 23 balls. As the runs dried up on the turning wicket, Afridi broke free with three successive fours off Shakib and then cut the same bowler for another boundary to win the game.

    Skipper Misbah-ul-Haq made 16 not out, sharing a match-winning stand of 30 with Afridi. It was Pakistan’s 26th win in 27 one-dayers against Bangladesh, the lone defeat having come during the 1999 World Cup in England.”

    The culprit behind that lone defeat against BD in England was when “HAMARAY PYARAY WASIM BHAI” bookies kay sath Pyaaz Kha rehay thay…… Pyaaaz bhee har vaqt nahee khatay, sirf uss vaqt khatay hain jab Kebab Khaatay hain aur Kebab bhee her vaqt nahee khatay jab …………. You know the drill.

  303. #304 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 9:41 PM

    jak/ks

    i think its good for afridi that he doesnt have to captain the side. With all the presurs and parches like malak,farhat and hanging sword of k.akmal, hes better off as a player.

  304. #305 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:42 PM

    Zen;

    Na ghora dooor na maidaan dooor, wo tou pata chall he jaye ga…….. BUT look at his pathetic batting today, he played 16 dot balls to score his first run and remained not out on 16 in 46 balls and yet he is hailed as a hero.

  305. #306 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 9:44 PM

    Abt that banalga loss in WC,people say it was meant to give bengalis test status.

    Anyway,bengalis have been very poor in all formats.

  306. #307 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:47 PM

    khansahab shayed khailoola ker rehay hon?
    Munir, Eid ul Watani mana nay kaheen baher niklay hon unki 3 din plus week-end holiday, tou moujaie, moujaan.
    Newguy shayed chidd gaye hon kion kay hum nay unko neutral personaliiilllitttty nahee mana balkay ghar ki murghi maani hai
    I dunno what you are doing at this hour?

    Abhee tou idher shaam kay 4:45 howay hain aur I just came back home and needs to relax, its zero degrees during the whole day but, @ night it will be -7C and the dark, cloudy and gloomy day depresses me, so I go out to have some fun. Take care

  307. #308 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 9:49 PM

    jk, if u go through the dawn comments and the video interview, you’ll find people know that mesbha is not primary reason for pk’s success.

    It is mainly commentators, cricnfo and writers like saad and abbasi who praise mesbha.

    in my discussions with people, majority say its due to team spirit as all players know they have to perform, plus weak opposition. mesbha as a factor comes pretty late.

  308. #309 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:49 PM

    But, that was an ODI match and test has nothing to do with that, it was all in all Wasim’s affair.
    As the saying goes: “He who keeps his secrets, controls his affairs.” Umar Ibne Khattab.

    But Wasim Bhai jaan ki secrets tou open secrets hain ……….. jo unko pata hai vo Sushmita ko pata hai. 😀

  309. #310 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:53 PM

    Zen, “I am completely Agree”

    These high profile writers have to write something and they go by the time and tide and worship the rising sun. Moi Aussi, I have talked to a few friends of mine and they all say, it is the DANDA and an example of those 3 going to jail is the main reason of gelling the team. Misbah has nothing to do with it and they are also saying that it is Afridi’s good form that is making the winning so easy +++++ the weak opposition!

  310. #311 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 9:56 PM

    Well to get test status,one has to beat intl teams. How can u play test ckt if u dont have test status.

    Anyway thats history.

    jak,india is sending batsmen early down under to adjust. I think they fear a repeat of england.

  311. #312 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 9:59 PM

    Except for the last English tour, I think Dhoni is lucky that his team has won many matches and he too has taken credit like Misbah for those wins where his contribution is zilch. Had India lost this match yesterday (thanks to Rohit Sharma) they would have said, Sehwag is only a good player but, not a good captain. Whereas, if it was Dhoni they would have said, under his able leadership India has managed to win the match from a loss situation. Ye Ulti Ganga hai aur Behti Jamuna hai babu!

  312. #313 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 1, 2011 - 10:06 PM

    I dunno what India will call it, PTS, PDS, PLS (it is like PMS in case of Murali = Post Murali Syndrome)?

    Other than Sehwag and Gambhir, their new batsmen like Kohli, Raina (not so new) and Sharma have to prove their mettle, all of them show sporadic brilliance. Khansahab’s favorite is Kohli but, I rate Rohit more than all the new ones, because he is a crisis player and plays well under pressure. If you go back and review the first T20 WC final, it was Rohit and Irfan who added 38 runs in the end otherwise India were gone for 120.

  313. #314 by Zen on December 1, 2011 - 10:15 PM

    what these successive victories have done, they have slowly shifted the focus from mesbha’s coolness to afridi’s brilliance. Mesbha wants to win at all costs as he knows his days are numbered. he gives me impression of being very insecure internally. the 6 month break has stung afridi so severly, he just wants to play. so its turning out quite nice. but malak and if suckmsl come, they’ll destroy everything!

  314. #315 by NewGuy on December 1, 2011 - 10:17 PM

    Javed Khan,

    So now you are questioning my neutral observer status? hmmm .. why would you do that, to discredit my status so that my argument is diluted, that is the only reason to bring that under the microscope. Here is the definition of neutral observer: Not aligned with, supporting, or favoring either side in a war, dispute, or contest.

    That fits my role in this discussion, because if Pakistan wins or loss under Misbah or any captain I am not emotionally charged either way. If they win, I would say congrats they won, and if they lose I would say too bad they lost. The only exception is if Pakistan is playing India. Anyhow, I don’t want to divert from the topic by engaging you in a side debate involving my status. As far as I am concerned, I am neutral, it is up to you to believe what you may, but you saying I am not neutral is not going to change any facts.Let’s leave it at that.

    Second, I said I don’t have too much else to say, and let’s agree to disagree. But you seem to want to have the final word, which is fine by me, but you went on to further insinuate that the reason I am disagreeing is possibly only because I took this path once and now my ego is not letting me change it. This is quite absurd. My opinion is formed over many months since Misbah took captaincy and following each series by series performance. It is not formed one fine day and it is not going to change one fine day. I said from what I have seen so far, and given the state Pakistan team was in before he took over, he seems to be doing a decent job. I stand by that, not because of any ego, but because that is what I believe from what I have seen.

    Thirdly, as I said I don’t have a dog in this fight, I simply stated what I believe based on what I have observed over a period of time.

    Lastly, there seems to be pattern in your responses in that you seem to believe that if anyone disagree with you then (1) they are wrong, but don’t know it yet (2) they are wrong, and they know it, but they don’t agree (3) they are wrong, but eventually they will come my way.

    Let’s move on. You can have the last word on this.

  315. #316 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 10:44 PM

    Newguy

    I don’t think JAK meant to say that you are necessarily biased. Because I agree with him on Misbah and because, within my heart I know that I have no agenda and honestly believe Misbah is not good for the Pakistan team, I can understand his point of view. I think accusing each other of partiality will not get anyone anywhere.

    Recently, I pointed out to Zen that, Tendulkar should not be criticised for the sake of patriotism or nationalism. I had the courage to say this despite my interest in Pakistani cricket, and I have had the courage to say this to JAK and Sagaat previously. You might be free of bias, or you might feel that you need to defend Misbah on this blog because you feel the majority of regular commentators are biased. But, if an outsider to Indian cricket (me) can doubt the intentions of another outsider to Indian cricket (Zen, recently), does it not mean that an outsider can perhaps be biased too?

    I am not saying one way or the other whether you are biased, but I am just saying that there is a possibility for an outsider to develop a bias. There is a possibility for a Pakistani to discredit and insult Tendulkar because Indians are very touchy about him. There is a possibility for an Indian, or someone for another nationality to discredit Afridi or support the “enemy of the enemy who becomes a friend” (in this case, say, Misbah, for argument’s sake).

  316. #317 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 10:48 PM

    Zen

    You have said that Misbah wants to win at all costs- are you sure?

    I don’t blame him for wanting to win as many matches as possible because as a captain that should be his goal.

    In Tests where you can get away with a draw his performance has been questionable.

    He is probably insecure because his “talent” was overlooked for 5 years when he was languishing in domestic cricket.

  317. #318 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 10:55 PM

    Zen/JAK

    The reason why the team beat Sri Lanka convincingly is because:

    – In limited overs Afridi’s return brought inspiration

    – Form of Dilshan and Jayawerdene has been poor this year (I have already posted the stats)

    – Sri Lankan batsmen always struggle vs Pakistan in bilateral series. They tend to do better in high profile tournaments.

    – Some of it was luck also, because newbies Cheema and Junaid bowled well. Almost every Pakistani fast bowler performs well in the first few matches. So, nothing new here.

    Apart from that Pakistan has beaten minnows which they are capable of doing even with a second string team.

    The reason I have written the above is because I don’t feel this performance is that much to do with the spot fixing scandal.

  318. #319 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 11:01 PM

    JAK

    Yeah I was watching the score and saw Misbah’s SR was poor yet again. If Afridi hadn’t played aggressively there was a chance Pakistan would have lost the match because I think 30 odd runs were still needed when Afridi came out to bat and he was the last recognised batsman.

    I will never rate a batsman because of his ability to block the ball. Misbah is a blocker. Tailenders can block too. We see night watchmen in Tests playing 50 balls and scoring 10 runs.

    I erroneously said some time ago that Misbah has a good defence but I was wrong. Good defence is Kallis and Dravid- players who know how to fight and who are talented enough to play difficult bowling.

  319. #320 by Mohammed Munir on December 1, 2011 - 11:06 PM

    NewGuy …

    I fully agree with your last comment. Word to word, cent per cent.

    Javed Khan is always RIGHT and NEVER wrong.

    Can owner of the house be wrong, we are all only “Mehmaan” here so there is no way we or anyone else for that matter can ever win against him.

    It’s My Way Or It’s Highway.

  320. #321 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 11:08 PM

    Dhoni to enter Bollywood

    Mumbai, Nov 30 (TruthDive): Indian cricket captain, Mahendra Singh Dhoni is entering Bollywood soon and be seen in John Abraham’s much-delayed project, Hook Ya Crook.

    Mahendra Singh Dhoni, who has been rested for the ODI series against West Indies, will have to provide 15 day call sheet for the shoots, sources said.

    John and Dhoni have been best friends for about seven years now.

    “I have always been receiving several Bollywood offers. But frankly, I was never interested in any of them. Besides, I didn’t have the time or the inclination to act in a film. It was never on my radar,” said Dhoni on the side-lines of an event in Mumbai.

    “I would do anything for John!” exclaims Dhoni when directly asked if he is going to ever act in a film. “I can only tell you that we have not planned anything yet. But I would do anything that John asks me to do. If he asks me to act in one of his films, I would gladly do that,” he adds.

  321. #322 by Aatma-hathya on December 1, 2011 - 11:10 PM

    Munir sahab

    If you are a guest in a Pathan’s house, then you get lots of respect and honour irrespective of whatever feud or problem you have with him.

    So there is no “my way or the highway” here 🙂

  322. #323 by Mohammed Munir on December 1, 2011 - 11:22 PM

    NewGuy ….

    Mubarak Ho …. Khansahab have very politely and diplomatically PROVED that you are also BIASED.

    I was already awarded this title several times and now you, even being an outsider, are also proved biased.

    Wah Kiya Scene Hai. 😉

  323. #324 by Sentinel Prime on December 1, 2011 - 11:26 PM

    Munir sahab

    What? I said Newguy is biased?

    Where?

    That is news to me.

  324. #325 by NewGuy on December 1, 2011 - 11:37 PM

    KS,

    I think Munir is referring to your point that someone who is anti-Pakistan, say an Indian supporter, ahem, could be me, is supporting Misbah because he is bad for Pakistan. So, Indian supporters are happy Misbah is captain, so they can see Pakistan cricket going down the hill. This is a very serious allegation. It is possible theoretically. But doesn’t looks like the case. First, Pakistan is winning, since Misbah took over. Second, I am not even debating with vigor, just passively making observation that Misbah has done a decent job.

    It will be the height of mistrust to say I have this in mind, and one can never win against that line of argument.

  325. #326 by Mohammed Munir on December 1, 2011 - 11:49 PM

    Khansahab …

    Sir, did I say that you said that NewGuy is biased. Absolutly not, I never said that you said tha NewGuy is biased.

    You only PROVED that there is a possibility that an Indian who hates Afiridi can support Misbah only to discredit Afridi. So in such a situation it amounts to being BIASED.

  326. #327 by NewGuy on December 2, 2011 - 12:03 AM

    Also, one quick point to add. When I questioned Afridi’s captaincy, it is to provide a counter point to the argument that there is no merit to Misbah’s captaincy, that even if Hafeez is captain team will win. I am pointing out the fallacy of that argument by pointing out that by the same token then you cannot credit Afridi’s captaincy either. I also pointed out T20 WC win under Younus Khan captaincy.

    I am not anti Afridi, he is a very positive player and he is also an uncomplicated person. However, I noticed that in this blog you always overly praise Afridi and discredit everyone else. You do criticism him once in a while, but that is of course with kid gloves, while Misbah gets the whipping.

  327. #328 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 2:34 AM

    Ks

    whats with this kleon thing? Looking at this picture reminds me of star trek.

    Qibla, when australia was beaten by india, i told my mates india will win WC. Infact,in the semi final, i predicted indian victory.

    So does that me biased or unpatriotic? I dont think so…
    There were reasons behind my predictions just like there r reasons in my assesmnt of 10dulkar.

    Anyway, bottom line is to give a verdict whether one is neutral or not is beyond us bloggers.

    I mean we cant say this abt each other as the moment one says something with which other disagrees,he may label him biased.

    Just like you felt my criticism of 10dulkar had to do wth nationalism.

    Since u dont know me personally, u felt along those lines. So u could easily consider my any anti indian view as patriotism triggered and reject my view. Same scenario is with all of us. I may feel indians may support mesbha coz they know he’s not a genuine leader.

    I may be right or wrong- hard to tell.

  328. #329 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 2:57 AM

    Over praise afridi???

    There is a new word in english

    LALAFIED!

    some research needs to be done over it about its origins.

  329. #330 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 4:14 AM

    KS

    when u overdo something, it sometimes becomes second nature. perhaps mesbha has now really become a block block guy and has forgotten art of attack.

    I mean its possible that what he did in semi WC, he didnt do it intentionally.

    See, last 8 matches are testament to that.

    Its all afridi, call it over praise or mesbha bashing, but its truth 😀

    If mesbha is selfish, as it is claimed why he didnt try to win any of these games on his own!

    coz he couldnt.

    the reson he plays for draws is hes scared of defeat.

    he doesnt chase test 4th innings targets bakaoz he has no faith in his or team’s batting ability.

    so he is ok with1-0 scoreline.

    In hindsight, i now feel mesbha would have played the same even if he would have been capt in WC

    sometimes circumstances hide your flaws.

    Look at odis and t20’s pk played against SL and bangla.

    do u see mesbha providing anything worthwhile.

    he’s lost the ability. call it luck or whatever, his predeccesor is playing magic ckt and virtually winning matches single handedly.

    i dont have stats but just compare mesbha’s performance in last 8 matches with afridi- you’ll get my point.

    secondly, talking with people and going through other internet sources, it dawned upon me majority public acknowledges its all afridi as far as odi and t20 is concerned.

    u wont hear echos of cool capt now even on cricinfo or hifi writers tongues.

    this debate abt kheera being saviour is becoming redundant unless he realises he has to perform to get RESPECT AS CAPTAIN.

    not just by taking credit for others efforts. 😉

  330. #331 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 4:20 AM

    Ks

    gone are the days when captain doesnt perform and remains captain- mike brearly type1

    Its a huge liabilityyyyyyyyyyyyyyy………………….

    so if any country goes for that, it would spell disaster!

    clarke, smith,strauss, dhoni,dilshan they are all performers.
    only ch2 is sammy but it can be argued he performs on occassions.

    so so to hide your inefficiencies behind the waves of coolness and stability wont work

    an idiotic,impotent, insecure captain will ultimately lead team into trouble- foresight is not a bookish thing. 😆

  331. #332 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:26 AM

    NewGuy

    As long as we are discussing on this blog, there will be no “last word,” from anyone of us(besides you have nullified that comment of yours on last word by writing a new comment after that) because we are here to discuss and not to prove our intellectual knowledge or expertise on cricket or any other subject for that matter. We share our views, experiences and our ideas but, that does not make anyone of us as right or wrong. My point of view about a neutral observer is based on the age old notion that two parties can be biased against each other whereas a third party is neutral so the third party’s views are right and the third party acts like a JUDGE. This notion needs to be corrected because, this is not a word of Gospel.

    Using the same analogy as you did on Misbah, does it make ME more qualified and more of an expert on commenting Dhoni’s captaincy or, in comparing Tendulkar with Dravid and whatever I say is, I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG? If you want us to agree on Misbah then you must also agree on whatever we say about Indian players because, we are neutral and you are biased and emotional and what not?

    I believe that when it comes to international cricket and international players, we know them better than an average Australian or an averge Englishman about their own players. In fact they don’t know nothing about our players. So, my point was, if you want to express your opinion about any international player, please do that and your views and opinions shall be respected without any doubt but, please do that without the tag of a “NEUTRAL OBSERVER.”

    To me it appears that you are restricting yourself and your knowledge and, expertise is based only because of that notion of neutral policy. By doing so, you are trying to prove us that we are emotionally charged up and biased against one party and favouring the other party. Therefore, our views are WRONG? Munir can agree on that, but I am sorry I won’t agree on that.

    If you think that I hit Afridi with kid gloves and Misbah gets all the whipping? Yes, I do whip him with shoe laces and give him a slap on his wrist because, what if Misbah’s tender wrist gets broken, then who will be the defender of Pakistan or, the savior?

    I never used the word EGO in my comments to you, you have simply created it from my comment and took it so seriously. I am sorry if that has hurt you but, I have not used the word EGO it is just your perception. That is because, you cannot see the face of that person who is saying /writing commenting and, whether he is serious, non-serious, sarcastic or acting funny and it is normal to assume it the way your mind sees it. And, unlike Munir, I don’t add winks and smiley faces. Because, for me that is too artificial to add icons, once in a while is OK but NOT after every sentence or, carpet bombing the blog with icons!

  332. #333 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:45 AM

    Munir

    I don’t think that you are a Highway guy because you always escape from a Patlee Galee.

    As regards owner of the house or the blog, you know very well how you are treated here and how you are welcome here? Be honest and say that too!

    Try writing all that you have written here (also, the size and length of the comments) on different blogs such as, DAWN, ESPN cricinfo etc. and see whether they appear on the blog or disappear in thin air?

    Instead of holding your ground you are looking for someone to cling on to, dooobtay ko tinkay ka sahaara, right? And, then you try to add fuel to the fire. Don’t worry I don’t get riled up and I told you before so many times that this is just a blog. I have a lot of patience and endurance and I can always respond be it here or PakSpin i.e., if only you remember me responding to a dozen guys who were against me or, my views. In fact their verbal abuse such as lapdog, Montreal’s PIG etc., were allowed and sometimes rather most of the time my straightforward comments were not only censored but deleted.

    Usman Khawaja is turning out to be a good batsman for Australia and in Ponting’s company they both are playing well after a mini collapse. Feel sorry for “Danish” Vittori that he got run out on 96. Gavaskar must have felt more sad that, a feather in Daniel’s cap has just fallen short.

  333. #334 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:50 AM

    Zen

    But, the irony is Mike Brearly is considered to be one of the best and greatest English Captains ever. I have read in one of the Books of Dr. Edward de Bono, called TACTICS, he mentioned the names of Mike Brearly and Abdul Qadir and praised Brearly a lot and portrayed Abdul Qadir and Imran Khan (captain) as dumb. The point he was trying to prove that Brearly was giving Abdul Qadir a single on the last ball and exposing him for the next over. Dr. De Bono is also the author of I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG.

  334. #335 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 8:10 AM

    Haha Im right, ur wrong!

    sounds familiar

    I know jak he’s considered to be a good captain. But pundits now also say that such captains cant exist. no team would allow such captain

    a captain has to perform apart from being a good tactician.

    one reason australia was so successful was that they always chose the best player as captain.

    border, taylor, waugh ,ponting and now clarke…

    ponting’s performance has dipped and they are planning long term ( something which is considered a sin in sub continental cricket and here)so they appointed clarke as captain.

    in his first test as captain. he made a fighting 150 odd!

    in my view,mebha is as good as sammy as a performer!

    but perhaps here he will be proved to be an all time great

    just like he was proved as good as immy and Immy was mentioned to be overrated 😆

    I mean how many paki skippers have beaten india in india, england in england!

    BTW mesbha has beaten which team on their soil?

    NZ????

    I think people consider UAE tests as overseas tours. so if england is beaten by mesbha, it would be considered an overseas victory! 😉

  335. #336 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 8:35 AM

    Zimbabwe too!

    That is why they are calling him wth names and accolades :

    Cool Captain
    Cool demeanor
    Cool as cucumber
    calm composure

    Baraf Khanay ka chamaar bhee cool as a rock hota hai, tou?

  336. #337 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 9:04 AM

    khansahab

    On Kamran Akmal meeting with Zaka shows that Zaka has so much time at his disposal that he can meet the suckmal and listen to his roo-daad. And, suckmal thinks that by announcing through the media that anyone can check his assets and bank accounts, the whole world is Ch2yum Sulphate? I mean who does he think he is fooling? If the PCB listens to him or make investigations to delve deeper in his claims then, they are bigger fools to get sucked up by the suckmal. BAKAOZ who in their right frame of mind will accept bribes in the shape of a cheque or a bank draft? Even cash is not obtained directly in such dubious transactions. Salman Butt and Aamir were stupid to accept cash and keep it in their hotel room. After all Asaf who is a seasoned player had nothing in his room, his teacher Veena Malak told him, you idiot last time you were caught @ Dubai airport with opium in your wallet, next time don’t keep anything except my photo and that is your passport!

    People like Kamran Akmal should never be allowed to play for the national team. Even Malik has not convinced about the £91,000 that are sitting in his bank account. Whereas, poor Daniel Kaneria’s case has been sent to cold storage to get a cool demeanor only because he is a Hindu and this Malik Ch2So4 has Sania’s card that he keeps displaying it everywhere and he got back. Not only he is back but, in the last 6 matches his average is only 4 and his cool captain says that Malak is such a player that he will regain his form? What form? Picking up tennis balls?

    khansahab am I right that we are the only cricket blog who wrote a special thread on Danish Kaneria, BRAVO DANISH KANERIA? There is no appreciation on our fairness and our open mindedness whereas our slightest criticism on the elite is considered as a very biased and emotional response!

  337. #338 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:21 AM

    Zen

    True or false?

  338. #339 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:27 AM

    Zen/Javed A Khan

    We were discussing about the Mullah being unfair to Veena when they were having a disagreement and I was at that time saying that, what Veena has done and the plans she has in mind, she will go further than any Lollywood actress:

    This kind of photoshoot would be a rarity even for an Indian actress:

    http://twitpic.com/7mysky

  339. #340 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 9:28 AM

    Zen

    You wrote that people consider UAE tours as overseas tours? But I have read, heard from many Indians that for Pakistan, UAE is their home ground because they get a lot of support from the people and that is why they win. This is rubbish.

    The truth is there are twice as many Indians than Pakistanis are there in Dubai, their businesses are huge like, Lals, Choithram, Wasumal, V V and Sons, Regal, Sony (belongs to Chabbria group) and many more, there is no comparison to Pakistanis retail outlets or tut poonjiya businesses they have. So, where does this support come from? The Underworld? Even they are in a majority and in total control. Even in the stadiums you can see the majority is of Indians. Plus the VIP balcony is full of Bollywood leechrees and cheapraaz who fly specially for India / Pak matches to support India.

    So, how come it is a home ground for Pakistan? Is it because the UAE is a Islamic country? I think this is all BS, it is still the JAVED MIANDAD SIX that has dented their psyche. That jinx was broken in 2004 when Ganguly’s team won the ODI in Karachi with a narrow margin and at that time it was the highest scoring ODI in the world. But, soon that record was broken when Aus played against SA in SA. In the UAE India team still suffers from that syndrome, otherwise why do they keep losing there? And, why is Pakistan winning most of the time against other nations? It is all a mental game.

  340. #341 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 9:30 AM

    khansahab

    Veena is capable of doing many things BUT, are you sure this is not the job of a photoshop software?

  341. #342 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:30 AM

    JAK

    Yeah, I think this blog did support Kaneria the most when no one else did, and the blog even made a bold comment that it was because of Hindu discrimination that this is happening.

  342. #343 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:32 AM

    Zen

    That is the problem, that Misbah has to perform himself but most of the fans respect his average in the late 40s.

    They don’t know that if you remain not out, it increases your average.

    Misbah has an extraordinary ratio of remaining not out.

  343. #344 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:34 AM

    Jak

    if iam not mistaken,steve waugh’s australians whitewashed pk in Uae. I think 10dulkar’s buddy shoaib bowled wel in one match yet it was 3-0.

    So perception pk wins in emirates aint entirely true. It more has to do with kwalty of dusman.

  344. #345 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:34 AM

    JAK

    It can’t be photoshoot because I originally saw this picture on a reliable website.

    And this magazine is one of the top fashion magazines in the world- I don’t think anyone would want to play with fire like this. You don’t do a photoshop job with a brand like FHM.

  345. #346 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:37 AM

    Javed A Khan

    This is one of the most popular Bollywood websites and one of its senior personnel is a very respected Trade Analyst in India:

    http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/features/2011/12/02/8153/index.html

    I would not have pasted this news in the first place if it was photoshop- if I believed there was some foul play I would have urged people to treat this with caution. I don’t have any agenda against Veena or anyone.

  346. #347 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 9:37 AM

    I think, what Najam Sethi says makes some sense because, without getting these 2 khiladees out of the ground it is kimpassible to bring changes in Pakistan. In my opinion it is not just these two but, there must be 200-300 of their top notch leaders, party workers, supporters who are responsible for bringing them into power and who are responsible in bringing chaos in Pakistan, even they should be out of the game forever. Do you think people like Rehman Malak, Gillani, his son etc., and Shahbaz Sharif his son etc., should be pardoned? IF they remain out, they will do the same UKSAOING people and playing jingoistic cards to VURGHALAO the masses. So, this whole TUBBER KA TUBBER should be out and exiled to KALA PANI.

  347. #348 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 9:41 AM

    Zen yes you are right and, I do remember Pakistan were all out on 57 or 58 I think but, was it ODI or test?

  348. #349 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:42 AM

    Qibla

    gustakhi maaf, shayr itne khaufnak to nahi hote. Ye photo dekh kar mujhe rat ko blogng karte hue dar lagega 😉

    qibla jak photo ki authenticity ko question kar raha hae.phele ye bat clear karen.

    Dosri bat ye hae ke maulvi khud to jo ghalt kam karte hain uski photo nahi banate. Phir wawela kaeko!

    Amaan veena sadme mein hae. Asaf ki judai ne usey pagal kardya hae aur aap namak chidk rahe hae.

    Qibla, she’s marketing what she’s known for.maulvi is being hypocritical. She aint a bigot,its the maulvi.

  349. #350 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 9:44 AM

    DAMN IT !

    Khansahab you don’t understand even the obvious ones, because like all the Indians and the Pakistani Moulvis you are so much distracted by the ‘laham-al-khair’ that you fail to notice the ISI stamp on her shoulder. Actually she is a spy and ISI sent her to get some secrets, she wouldn’t have gotten them without “Ursulla Undressing” herself.

    PS

    I have to make it clear here. THIS IS A JOKE, BAKAOZ khansahab thought I am serious and in his opinion spies and state secrets does not enthral him. So please, anyone who reads this comment must make himself/herself clear that its my dry sense of humour.

  350. #351 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:49 AM

    Zen

    Do you know that Maulvi personally?

    How can you accuse someone of something when you don’t know them personally or when nothing has been revealed about them by the media?

    You were initially trying to bracket all actresses together and I said that, there is a difference between everyone’s standard of pride and honour. Reema, Meera, they all went to India and they must all have been approached to do photoshoots like these. Why did only Veena dare to bare?

    You can’t make a sweeping statement like all Mullahs are hypocrites or that all actresses would go as far as Veena.

    You have made too many assumptions based on one conversation between the Mullah and Veena and in fact, Veena’s crying and drama on that programme has not only earned her a place in Bollywood, but also in your and JAK’s hearts ;). That is because you are not recognising that this girl has no limits and no concern about her country or honour.

  351. #352 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 9:50 AM

    Have you forgotten what that Mulla said on the youtube? array musalmano tum kin mailee kuchailee bee vion, tawaifon aur rundeon kay chakkar may phunsay howay ho? Zara ye junnat ki sab say nichlay darjay kee hoor kay baray may suno…………. And he described the junnat ka scene like aankhon dekha haal aur vo bhee Neelay rung may rung ker, sala he is such an ugly bastard and he made a fool out of himself and of other respectable moulvis.

  352. #353 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:52 AM

    Qibla

    she’s a stripper!

    She aint the only one from pk. In my bk a bi**h is a b..ch, whether she does it in diamond bazar,bollywood or haly lakdi.

    If somebody gets pissed by that, then he should remember prostitution was world’s first profson. So in my view, they r all the same. 😉

  353. #354 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:53 AM

    JAK

    I did see the ISI stamp on her shoulder- unfortunately the concept of state spies and secrecy did not enthrall me.

  354. #355 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 9:55 AM

    khansahab

    I never said that Veena is a junnat ki nichlay durjay ki hoor hai or, that moulvi is a parsa! What I said after seeing that debate is, the moulvi was not so convincing and he did not have the facts or figures with him. Whereas, Veena is “a” fact and she also had “a” figure. And, in that debate she got more sympathies from people, and I never saw her picture or knew anything about her b4 and what I saw was what was shown on that TV show and to me she appeared innocent. Innocent tou vo iss photo may bhee lag rehi hai magar, Nungi Nahaye gi kya aur Nichoray gee kya? Asaf nay tou pehlay hee nichor diya ussay!

  355. #356 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:58 AM

    Lol 😆

    qibla aap mere man ki bhawnae kaise jantey hain

    najm sethi ke barey mein il talk latr.

  356. #357 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:59 AM

    Zen

    Everyone has their limits.

    Only yesterday I was reading that a well known television presenter in Pakistan who is in her late 20s or early 30s maybe, only got the job because of sexual favours. It is common for these models and actresses to provide such favours to influential men in hotel rooms.

    How far will you go to make sweeping statements and generalise? You can say 50% of Pakistani women are strippers then, in fact you might want to say that all women are like this because this has been happening since the beginning of time.

    I don’t understand- on one hand everyone is a stripper and these girls are “bchs” and on the other hand you are JAK are having doubts whether this can be a photoshop job?

    Why is there a conflict in your minds?

  357. #358 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 10:03 AM

    JAK

    Yes, I saw that, but the concept of good and bad alters in the afterlife in Islam.

    Isn’t the whole idea that you have to abstain in this life but then you can have whatever you want in the afterline- women, wine etc?

    The Mullah is uneducated and uncouth and his explanation is vile and unpleasant, but his intention is to say that abstention in this world will lead to pleasure in the next.

  358. #359 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 10:10 AM

    LOL@ sentimental of the continental, pra khansahab !

    Yar, for me it is shocking to see that she posed nude on the cover of an Indian magazine and that is why I asked you is it not possible that this is photo shopped? …. I never said she is an “angle” (although you can see quite a few angles) and read my comment on the Moulvi once again, I wrote about that specific moulvi who described the jannat ka scene like pronography and I wrote, sala he is such an ugly bastard and he made a fool out of himself and of other respectable moulvis. There are indeed very knowledgeable moulvis and scholars but, because of him he spoiled the name of moulvis.

    So, that was not a sweeping statement and I think tom was referring to gashtees only and not every woman. It is also true that prostitution is one of the oldest trades in the history of mankind. They (pros) are always looking for a kindman! 😀 So, don’t get upset, no one is saying Veena is Nake Parveen!

  359. #360 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 10:12 AM

    Qibla

    mein kah riya hun randi bazi aur totey banana koi naye bat nahi.

    Wo maulvi paisey kamaney aya tha. Secondly, randi ko direct tablegh nahi ki jati. Shariat mehn pardey ki kitni sakhti hae. Kya wo maulvi pardey ke lawazmat follow kar raha tha.

    Ye alal subh vena kaha se agai.kya kheera kahne ka mood nahi rha. 😉

  360. #361 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 10:13 AM

    JAK

    That is exactly my point- that it was SHOCKING for you to realise she posed nude whereas I have been saying from day 1 that she is unlike the other gashtees- she will go one step further.

    This is the conversation we were having when she was arguing with the Mullah about what she did in India.

    In the circumstances the Mullah has definitely emerged as the winner because of two reasons, firstly that Veena has surpassed what Reema and Meera etc have done and secondly because we don’t know anything about the Mullah so it is not fair to accuse him of being a pervert without knowing more about him.

  361. #362 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 10:18 AM

    LOL … lagta hai subha subha khansahab nay kheera chor ker Veena ko pakar liya aur topic change ker diya. Issi topic per magar with Kheera, here is something for you.

    When I saw that Nargus ka danas on DEEO-D at someone’s house, in that DVD there was also a stage show in which Nargas ka HasBand comes into the room with a servant and the servant was carrying a TOKRI full of KHEERAS koi 100-150 kheeray honge.

    Nargas kaindi…….. A key aye?
    HasBand says: Kheeray hore key?
    Nargas ….. tusi kya meenay (a month) vastay bahar ja ray ho?

    I didn’t get the joke but, they were all cracking like nuts. Then they explained to me, kheera has another purpose and that is what she is referring to.

    I said, Vah NARGAS inni poli V nai aye kay Shofar ki absence may Kheeray Istemal Keray gee? Unless it is a cool cucumber with a calm demeanor!

  362. #363 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 10:21 AM

    Qibla

    ye to aap ka banaya hua kulia hua- is had tak randi bazi ok hae, is had tak nahi.

    Kya ye baat maulvi kah sakta hae- uski taangey todr dega fazlu rehman.

    Moadbana arz hae ke sharan aur akhlaqan (religon and ethics) randi bazi ghalat hae. Lihaza sab randyon pe lanat aur doghle maulviun pe lanat.

    ALLAH SAB KO MAAF Kare Aur HIDAYAT DAE.

  363. #364 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 10:23 AM

    khansahab

    buttttooo the million daalar koschen is: why did the mulla see her pitchker? She asked him did you see it, did you? he said haan mai nay kai bar dekhi and that is where she cornered him by saying ek bar ghalati say dekh liya hota tou theek hai laikin doosri nazar ek ghair aurat per is haram for you! Anyways subha, subha kion iskay gull churray urra rehay ho? Kheeray ko dekho kaisa heera hai 46 balls may 16 runs banaya aur phir bhee cool hai.

  364. #365 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 10:23 AM

    Zen

    The Moulvi wasn’t present in front of Veena. They were having a telephone discussion. He claimed never to even have seen her.

    So, that kind of Tableegh is definitely allowed and Islam does preach to correct everyone’s “Gunah” whenever there is the opportunity.

    Haan to Haseena Malik wahan free mai aayi hui thee? Ek teer sey kayi shikaar? Paisa kamao, jism dikhao, Bollywood ko impress karo etc?

    Moulvi has a right to earn income too you know. If he is asked to provide his services why shouldn’t he charge for it?

    There will be more poverty in Pakistan if Moulvis don’t charge for teaching Quran or doing Nikahs or providing their opinions on such issues.

    Even if he is earning money through this it is less greedy and opportunistic than what Veena is doing.

  365. #366 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 10:24 AM

    JAK

    I remember him saying that he has not seen her picture but he only knows about her because someone has told him she is a good looking model.

  366. #367 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 10:25 AM

    khansahab moulvi tou milad shareef ko credit card ki terha use kertay hain, accha itnay ka sauda hoa? Ab paisay sirf itnay hain, tum baki ki milaad sharif sunn lo. 😀

  367. #368 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 10:27 AM

    Accha jee mai jaa riyoun ab Parathay tay Aam-late da nashta kernay tusi Veena di whatever kero, sanu key?

  368. #369 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 10:32 AM

    Once this news is leaked in Pakistan about Veena’s photoshoot I wonder what the reaction will be?

  369. #370 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 10:36 AM

    Qibla

    tableegh se kamana gunah azeem hae.

    Jab usne tasveer nahi dekhi to phir usko mardur kyu uthey?

    Mein arz karun mein ne program nahi dekha- i found abt this via blogs.

    Magr i know generally such prgrms mein ek dosra ka thobdra (face) dekha jata hae. So pardey ka issue to hua.

    Finally,huzoor randi bazi is randi bazi. It is totally haram- KULLUN HARAM.

    ye falsfa ke itni theek aur itni over limit- uhun,aisa kuch nahi islam mein.

  370. #371 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 10:48 AM

    Zen

    This means that for you there is no difference between an ordinary Heera Mandi gashtee and someone else who poses nude in an international magazine?

    Yeah I know that in talk shows people sit face to face but here this was a telephonic conversation.

    You know if any slim and above average looking girl anywhere in the world expresses her desire to pose nude, she will get offers?

  371. #372 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 10:54 AM

    Pakistan drew a Test series vs West Indies earlier this year, 1-1 under Misbah’s captaincy.

    However India thrashed them in the first 2 Tests and then drew the 3rd one.

    So, this shows how calibre of Pakistani Test team.

  372. #373 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 10:55 AM

    Qibla

    pk mein kuch nahi hoga.is waqt memogate aur nato mein masley hain.

    Phir bhi hoskta hae 200 admi rally nikalen.

    Qibla gashtee hi nude magazine par aegi,kisi shareef ghar ki ladki to nahi direcj playboy mein aegi.

    Aise hi to taraqi hoti hae.

    Phele mohale ki gashtee, phir zile ki,phir shair ki aur phir aalmi.

    Isi lye kahende hae “NIP THE EVIL IN THE BUD”

  373. #374 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:00 AM

    Zen

    Yeh kya baath hai yaar.

    Nip the evil in the bud bhi kehtay ho, aur oldest profession bhi kehtay ho.

    Bhai iss ki history mazahib sey bhi zyada qadeem hai.

    Lihaza iss ko accept karna chahiye, leken jo mulk aur qom ki beyizati karta hai uss ko toh kuch kehna chahiye.

    Aap sirf siyah aur safaid mai har cheez nahi dekhein

  374. #375 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:04 AM

    Zen

    My criticism of Veena is very little to do with religion. She has a right to live how she wants.

    But, I am only concerned about her hypocrisy and dual standards.

  375. #376 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 11:07 AM

    na qibla

    oldest profesion is not an endorsement!

    aap ke hisaab se acceptable hoga

    par shariat aur ethics has the final word

    not at all acceptableeee…………………..

    phele mazhab aur akhlaqiat, phir hubul watani

  376. #377 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 11:08 AM

    qibla

    hypocrisy has to do with religion and ethics. both have a huge say and thatrs where maulvi is patheticcc…..

  377. #378 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:10 AM

    I have a beautiful body: Veena Malik

    The starlet is currently in news owing to her ‘Swayamvar’ on tv. Apparently she has shown interest in getting married on tv through the 4th season of the wedding reality show. We asked Veena if its true. “I can’t say anything about Swayamvar but I am looking forward to getting married in real life. I’ve been unlucky in love though” admits Veena. Ask about Ashmit and she says, “I am fond of him. He is a dear friend.”

    As far as safeguarding her ‘sexy’ image is concerned, Veena is quick to add, “I have a beautiful body and I have done some sexy photo shoots here in India but they are all esthetically shot and I won’t call them semi-nude.”

  378. #379 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:14 AM

    Zen

    No it does not have anything to do with religion. Saying black is black and white is white existed before religions came and before Man came.

    People who don’t have a religion are also honest and ethical.

    Religion is personal and dual standards, hypocrisy and fooling the masses is different. Veena tried to fool you and the people who became sympathetic with her that what she is a sincere and honest person and why she is being victimised when Pakistani gashtees also do the same in Pakistan.

    Well that is where you are wrong madam, because what you have tried to do does not happen in Pakistan.

    If what you want to do can be done in Pakistan you would not leave the country.

  379. #380 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 11:19 AM

    This is the BS cricinfo writes about yesterday’s match

    To subdue and wreck Bangladesh, Misbah-ul-Haq used four spinners – Mohammad Hafeez, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik and Saeed Ajmal – for 22.3 out of 30.3 overs, and they had combined figures of 8 for 56. Though Afridi emerged the star, taking his seventh five-wicket haul in ODIs, the Bangladesh innings was rotting before he came on to bowl. Pakistan’s chase had also begun to rot when Afridi came to bat at 63 for 5 in the 18th over. His innings wasn’t pretty, but it cured Pakistan of the yips and secured the series lead

    What is this? 5 wkt haul not considered significant. had bangla scored 150, it would have been curtains for pk.

    i nnings not pretty- this is pathetic journalism!

    tamasha doesnt stop here

    Misbah then batted with the sole aim of steering Pakistan to the break without losing another wicket. He edged a couple but dead-batted most of his first 16 deliveries, remaining scoreless. And then he slammed Shakib for a huge six over wide long-on, easing the pressure as Pakistan went into a 40-minute interval on 58 for 4, needing 34 more

    What- mesbah eased the pressure and afridi just took free wkts and batted poorly!

    full article is here- binoy your are garbage man

    http://ww.espncricinfo.com/bangwladesh-v-pakistan-2011/content/current/story/543170.html

  380. #381 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:22 AM

    Zen

    I was actually embarrassed when Pakistan was something like 60/5 or something.

    I don’t think great captains and great coaches would ever made a team so vulnerable to a minnow.

  381. #382 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 11:22 AM

    KS

    ye thuada zaati opinion hae

    pakistan bana he religion de naam par

    ye gal tusi market nae kar paogey

    no islam te no pakistan

    Mein teno dassiyan, cheez purani ya nae hona us di taqaat de dallel nahi hae

    tusi odi pasand karde ho par test phele tha

    phir tusi test nu zyada foqiat deyo

    aab veena gharq ho, maulvi gharq ho

    ckt de gal karo

  382. #383 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 11:26 AM

    KS

    a wkt or 2 at 60-5 meant match gone

    but binoy says it was not pretty and mesbha’s six eased prassare b4 dinner.

    this ch2 doesnt know 60-5 happened after dinner, so real prassare came at point.

    idiot of the highest order you stupid journalist!

  383. #384 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:29 AM

    O Zena

    Twaddi ki khabr teh pakastan kis naal ne bana si? A waddi sazshan karday ai loggan, kaindey Jannah saab paisey kha gaye, kainday o goron teh hindu di saazash di, kaindey ain j’geerdran tabkay di saazash ti.

    Tussi ay gallo karo mainu, jeray mazhab teh firkiyat teh lasaaniyat deh naam par mulak takseem honday rehtey ain, komein takseem hondi ay. ay ki waddi gal hai Chodri saab. waja koi aur vi ho sakdi ai lekan loggan ko mazhab dey naal ach takseem kro. ay waddi praani saazash ay paeejaan

  384. #385 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:31 AM

    Zen

    What do you mean that I prefer ODI over Test?

    That’s not the case, but I said that between strokeplay and how the batsman plays the ball does not differ in the different formats.

    You don’t use a hockey stick to bat in ODI’s.

  385. #386 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:39 AM

    T20 has its own charm but a good player in T20 is often not a good player in Test because the formats are polar opposites.

    I think ODI has become more fascinating since T20s became common. This is because, nowadays people don’t have the time to watch Tests and pure cricket enthusiasts don’t see skill in T20. So, ODI’s are a good balancing exercise between a fast paced game but also a platform for batsmen to build their innings and show skill and for bowlers to be able to exert some pressure over batsmen.

    Recently some England player said that ODI’s should be scrapped but I feel this will be a bad decision. The subcontinent is forgetting Test cricket and although T20 is liked by everyone it does not feature player skill, development, strategy that much.

    I have a feeling that if ODI is scrapped we will see its return within 5 years because the subcontinent will want it back and they might even propose to scrap Test cricket.

    In the long run I see an end to Test cricket because no other mainstream sport lasts for more than one day and cricket has to catch up with time.

    Having said that, Test cricket will always hold a special position in global sport.

  386. #387 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 12:27 PM

    Woah

    West Indies have mustered a respectable total vs India.

    Rampaul hit 5 sixes, this must be his highest score.

  387. #388 by NewGuy on December 2, 2011 - 1:53 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Thanks for clarifying your position.

    My view simply is that Misbah has done a decent job since he has come back to the team, both as a player and captain, before that Pakistan batting used to crumble. He has provided stability, may be this stability is not required according to some of you.,if he is going to block balls without scoring runs.

    However, even yesterday because Misbah stayed there, Afridi could come in a hit some runs, otherwise Afridi will get out, everyone else will also get out, who will keep one end safe? There are different roles in team. Misbah is there to provide anchor, others like Umar Akmal, and Afridi are hitters, they can do that job. This happened in the T20 game also, Misbah stayed till the end and that allowed Afridi to hit sixes. In the ODI against SL, Misbah stayed till the end and U.A played big hits. Someone needs to provide stability in a team full of volatile personalities like Pakistan. Misbah is doing just that, as captain and player.

    There might come a time when Pakistan has a better replacement, someone who can anchor innings and keep score ticking, like a Javed Miandad, but is there a replacement now?

  388. #389 by NewGuy on December 2, 2011 - 1:58 PM

    JK,

    Pakistan is always pumped up in UAE, I don’t know why, perhaps it is the history of last ball six, but I recall Pakistan only wins against India and the minnows in UAE. When WI was the top team, they played one or two Champions trophy in Sharjah. They defeated Pakistan easily. Likewise Zen pointed out Pakistan lost to a dominant Australia.

    I don’t like India playing in UAE for couple of reasons. One there is betting and all kind of shady things in Dubai and Sharjah. I simply don’t trust the games are clean. Second, India has a bad record because in the late 80’s and early 90’s Pakistan was way stronger and they played too many games against each other then, that made the record skew in Pakistan’s favor. If India were to play today in UAE against Pakistan, I think they will win against Pakistan. But as I said, I don’t trust UAE, and don’t want to see India playing there with any team.

    I also believe the establishment in UAE is partial to Pakistan since UAE is Islamic country and they are biased in favor of Pakistan.

  389. #390 by NewGuy on December 2, 2011 - 2:02 PM

    This man Rampaul, he is a big pain in India’s neck. Either with ball and now with bat too. He has just taken the wicket of GG after hitting a world record for #10.

  390. #391 by NewGuy on December 2, 2011 - 2:05 PM

    Captaincy and Sehwag do not go well. Second game in a row, WI are looking like winning the game. Look how shaky and slow he is batting now. His strike rate is 70, which I have never seen him bat like before. His final over tactics were atrocious. He allowed a #10 and #11 batsman to score 99 runs in 14 overs. Surely field placements and bowling tactics would have prevented this. If Dhoni was captain this would have never happened.

  391. #392 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 3:36 PM

    Newguy

    Kohli has played a vital hand and he kept attacking even when Sehwag seemed subdued.

    It’s an interesting run chase so far but I agree that Sehwag has disappointed.

  392. #393 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 3:39 PM

    Veena Malik denies posing nude for Indian FHM

    Though Veena, 33, has denied posing nude for the magazine, saying it is a “morphed picture”, FHM India editor Kabeer Sharma said the magazine had a video of the photo shoot with her and an email from the actress that proves the authenticity of the photograph.

    I have never posed nude. I have never done anything like that ever. My manager and legal team is looking into the matter. We will take legal action against them,” Veena told PTI in Mumbai.

    “The picture has been morphed. Its not me. Definitely not,” said Veena, who is in Mumbai for reality show ‘Swyamavar’.

    However, Sharma has a different story. “The photo shoot was done in Mumbai on November 22. We have a video of the photo shoot,” Sharma told PTI.

    “I also have an email from Veena in which she says she has seen the photos and is happy with them, and that she’s looking forward to seeing the cover,” Sharma said.

    The cover of the magazine’s December issue, posted on FHM India’s website, features Malik along with the caption: ‘Pakistani WMD Veena Malik on Asif, burqas and work visas’.

    The cover has become the topic of discussions and debate in Pakistan, with numerous users of Twitter posting links to the webpage featuring Malik’s photograph.

    In an apparent reaction to the photo, Pakistani actress Meera, who had earlier called Malik a “cheap girl”, posted on Twitter: “Completely mad woman.”

  393. #394 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 3:42 PM

    Wow Rampaul hit SIX SIXES? And the last pair scored 99 runs? I can’t believe this but, I have to because now India is batting with Rohit Sharma once again at the rescue, he cannot win every match for India, no one can. Therefore, it is Kohli’s turn to return some favours.

    Sehwag’s role has been diluted not just because of his captaincy burden but, Gambhir is not performing and there are no big names in the team behind him. And, Dhoni is lucky that he is not captaining, he may or may not have allowed so many runs is a matter of IFS and BUTS.

    LOL@ Sammy’s role and his batting performance, Mr. Cool and Sammy are in the same league except that our cool cucumber’s shelf life is longer than Sammy’s.

  394. #395 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 3:58 PM

    NewGuy

    About the UAE, I am telling with some knowledge and background, if not with authority because, I have spent a couple of decades of my very early life living and growing up in Dubai. The betting and match fixing is much, much lower in Dubai and Sharjah than it is elsewhere. The media has created a hoopla about this. And, it is because in those days Dawood was a wanted man (perhaps he still is) and it was more of a political thing that he and his men are betting in millions. You see there must be another party with whom they bet, right or wrong? Not only Dawood was in India but, the other big DONS were also from India. If they can bet in Sharjah, they could have easily bet in India too. After all Hansie Cronje was involved in betting not just in India but, in SA too.

    I think that initial “Billi Maarnay wali baat” i.e., stamping authority over Indian bowlers and batsmen had done the trick. India was a weak team and Pakistan was a much stronger team at least on paper and there were more big names in the Pakistani team like, Imran, Miandad, Zaheer and later on Wasim, Waqar etc. Whereas, India had only Gavaskar and Azharuddin and, Tendulkar et all came much later in the picture but, by then India boycot playing in Sharjah citing betting as an excuse. Even claimed biased umpiring whereas, all the umpires were neutral from the beginning. British umpires like Dicky Bird and that cute fat umpire what was his name? He used to jump at Nelson. Plus many more.

    Also, what I don’t understand is, if Pakistan were always favourites why were the winning? If a favourite team wins the bookies don’t make more money it is the other way round isn’t it? I dunno much about betting but, this is elementary my Dear Watson! And, spot fixing was not heard until last year. So, please enlighten me.</strong>

    As regards Pakistan losing to WI in Sharjah, I remember Pakistan beat WI thoroughly when Ambrose, Walsh, Lara et all were in the team and “THAT MAN” Basit Ali hit the second fastest hundred after Azhar uddin’s 68 ball hundred in ODI and he hit Ambrose and Walsh for six to 7 sixes just like Rampaul did that today.

  395. #396 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:08 PM

    NewGuy

    I forgot to answer the last line of your comment that “The establishment in the UAE is partial to Pakistan since UAE is Islamic country and they are biased in favour of Pakistan.”

    I think last night I wrote about that point but I will clarify again. The Arabs are not in favour of Pakistanis especially the UAE Arabs and it is obvious that they have allowed the Indian Hindus to flourish more and openly say HINDI MISKEEN and BAKISTANI JINJAAL, meaning Indians are meak and nice whereas, Pakistanis are trouble makers and difficult to handle. As regards religion, they don’t care about the religion. Everything in Dubai is more open and more available in Dubai than it is in any of the cities in Pakistan. I am sure Mr. Maneer will agree with me here!!

    In the UAE if you do business outside the Free Zone you have to have a local sponsor or a local partner and Indians have chosen all the BIG names and made them sponsors or partners in their business and the businesses owned by Indians like Lals, Choithrams, WasuMals, Regal, V V and Sons, Sony (Chabbria Group) and many more since I am out of touch now, they all are billionaires at least in the UAE dirhams if not in US dollars but, some of them are definitely billionaires in dollars.

    The PR of the Indian businessmen with the local Arabs is unmatchable, no one can do that, I do not want to go into detail at this forum but, they do everything for them. So, there is no partiality or favouritism for Muslims in a Islamic country especially not in Dubai.

  396. #397 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 4:10 PM

    Jak

    umpire was shepherd.

    Match ur talking abt war lost as lara beat the hell out of mr mud ball. Whn lara was askd during ceremony reason behind hitting he said curtly tnld him basit hit him for sixes so it is a flat track.

    Regarding mesbha’s anchor role, he did drop anchor in semifinal and whole ship sunk 😉

    droping anchor doesnjt mean just to stay but to win match if others fail. Mebha hasnt won any match on his own.best exponent of anchor role was miandad and sharjha 6 was perfect demo.

    Ks, tusi veena ko pk se deport karwa ke hi dum loge. Kya asaf se koi jhagda hae 😉

  397. #398 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:18 PM

    khansahab

    I am reading the comments which I missed this morning i.e., because I went out after breakfast. I agree with Zen that Rundi baazi is Rundi baazi whether it is done in Heera Mandi or Bollywood. People cannot say or redefine adultry by saying it is not adultry because, they used condom and there is no direct skin contact between P & V.

    People cannot say that 7% alcohol is not as haram as 17%. Or, the front part of the pig’s meat is Kosher!

    What you can say is, she went an extra mile to earn money and tried to compete with the international gashtees by posing nude.

  398. #399 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 4:19 PM

    JAk

    Yes, she went the extra mile and that is what I am trying to say. She went further than others.

    As for using condom, I condom this deciyen to make Misbah captain.

  399. #400 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 4:20 PM

    JAK

    Amjad Islam Amjad is a renowned writer of Pakistan but I was watching his interview and he said, “deciyen” instead of “decision”.

  400. #401 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:33 PM

    khansahab

    When Shaikh Rasheed was MinsTur, he said, “We weel pardon the terrist if they slender now.” Amjad Islam Amjad tou shayer aur musanif bhee hain unke iss dissiyen pay mayousi tou hoi magar jitnay bhee hazrat uss sir zameen say tallak rekhtay hain wahan kay shora aaj tak Iqbal ko Iqbal nahee keh sakay – Ikbal kainday ayen, kion kay unka apna tallfaz hee kuch aisa hai kay una noo fark e nai mloom. Rafta rafta Urdu say Inglush may bhee vohi rung agaya. So my dear khansahab there is lot of con-foo-yen, in this poi-yen when watching tele-V-yen aur aap hain kay sirf dee-C-yen ko ro rehay hain!

  401. #402 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:36 PM

    khansahab

    Please tell me how you get this top secret info about Veena Sheena even before the Pak people and Pak media finds out? When you posted that link this morning, and after seeing it, I thought this is the picture that moulvi saw and was condom-ing her in that debate. Now, after reading your comments I realize that this is a new and a very recent photo and she is already claiming that it is morphed. Yar, sometimes I admire your guts and your sources. 😀

  402. #403 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:42 PM

    RK are playing OK, still the rr is over 6 an over, 15 overs remaining and plenty of wickets in hand, one of them need to stay till the end, otherwise there are chances of a big collapse. So, from one sided it is moving towards an interesting draw…….. ooops my mind is freezing like a cucumber, I mean interesting ending and not like Shahid Afridi’s happy ending!

  403. #404 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 4:56 PM

    Newguy

    What Rohit Sharma is doing along with Kohli is called anchor role, and not what Misbah did when Afridi came in that is not an anchor role. At the moment Sharma (57) is rotating the strike by taking singles and twos and allowing Kohli (81) to score fours and Rohit’s strike rate at the moment is marginally higher than Kohli’s. This is how Misbah should play i.e., if he wants to be called the “ANCHOR ROLLER”

  404. #405 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 5:02 PM

    JAk/Zen/Newguy/Munir sb

    What Kohli and Sharma have done in this match is what Beauty and Asad Shafiq should be doing.

    In terms of ability, I think Beauty is more talented than Kohli and Sharma. But why this shoddy man management and coaching?

  405. #406 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 5:05 PM

    JAK

    Khabar ki teh mai hum jatey hain takay aap ko rakhein hum har lamha ba khabar…..

    I sometimes visit this reputable Indian website and found Veena’s news there. I know that it would be difficult for this to be fake news if it has been posted on that website. However, let’s see how this latest drama unfolds.

    You will find that the Pakistani Express Tribune report news more quickly than Dawn.

  406. #407 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 5:28 PM

    Qibla

    tumhari ek ek harkat per hamari nazar

    badnam jak aur hum aur peche lagey hue aap

    i ckd ibn website and both sides r sticking to their guns.

    But ks u feel that its a storm

    yup, but in a tea cup

    its not paki media is not vigilant. Thing is nobody gives a hoot about veena!

  407. #408 by NewGuy on December 2, 2011 - 6:11 PM

    JK,

    Regarding UAE, I don’t have any evidence, just taking about a perception. You have more experience to talk about it, I have only been to UAE once, that too for a short period.

    I will take your word for it when you say there is no favoritism for Pakistan.

    As for betting, I agree there are lot of Indians involved, my impression again is that there is strong desi underworld presence in UAE, perhaps it is the impression created by Indian movies? I don’t know first hand for sure, again it’s an impression.

    I still don’t like India playing in UAE, may be it’s because of impressions created earlier, but it’s how I feel.

  408. #409 by NewGuy on December 2, 2011 - 6:18 PM

    India managed win, with a very good partnership between two youngsta beauties. Raina looks out of touch, and so do GG. Parthiv Patel is a waste, he must be having some strong pull to get into the team after so many failures. Next match PP should stay out and GG should open with Sehwag.

    Captaincy is affecting Sehwag, he is not fit for that job. He is too casual in his approach. Field settings and bowling changes can definitely rein in runs. Dhoni does this very well. Case in point WC knockout games against Australia and Pakistan where he managed to stem run flow and choke batsmen with pressure even with match losing bowlers like Munaf and Nehra.

    Had India lost this match it would have been a big shame, having a tailender hit 86 runs with six SIXES, and forming a 99 runs partnership. Even though India won, the record will still show Ravi Rampaul hit 86 runs, highest for a #10 with six Sixes against India. I know JK thinks this is all IFS and BUTTS, but I blame Sehwag for this, he has got a parrot brain and cannot come up with tactics when things don’t go well.

    India has to beat WI by at least 4-1 margin in this series, otherwise it will look bad for them, especially playing at home. No one will remember few years from now, whether they played full strength or not, all that will show is WI defeated India. They should not let this Sammy get any credit.

  409. #410 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 7:22 PM

    Kohli is 23 and has 8 ODI centuries. This must be a record.

    Will he get more than Tendulkar?

  410. #411 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 7:24 PM

    Newguy

    Apparently Gambhir has shown good captaincy skills in IPL or some domestic tournament. Do you see him as future captain?

    I think Kohli might become VC in limited overs soon because he is aggressive, good under pressure and he appears to have some charisma.

    Sehwag does not seem like captaincy material.

  411. #412 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 7:29 PM

    Zen

    Even BBC has reported this news.

    Whatever the truth of the matter Veena has been exposed (pun intended) to the global media now.

    What’s next for the bold “beauty”? Hollywood?

  412. #413 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 7:32 PM

    Well talk about veena, ethics, morality, values etc occurred today. A cleric and a slut were compared1

    It was said that what happened was a never never event.

    Iam about to discuss with you guys something wich recently happened. maybe you are aware but I want to still put it here to show you the apathy, insesnsitivity and ethical deterioration that has entered into us and role of media.

    A woman killed her husband and her alibi was that he was trying to rape their daughter. the woman later chopped his body and cooked it as a froth but she was caught.

    A ch2 journalist went to police station and interviewed her.

    This is the interview.

    Ill continue in the next comment…..

  413. #414 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 7:33 PM

    Kaneria keen to know his fate

    LAHORE – In a bid to revive his international career, discarded leg-spinner Danish Kaneria has met the newly-appointed Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Zaka Ashraf. Kaneria has been sidelined by the PCB since last year as its integrity committee has suspicions about the spinner’s role in a spot-fixing investigation that was held in England.
    “Kaneria had requested for a meeting with Zaka Ashraf and was given a hearing,” a PCB official said. He said that Kaneria had presented his case before the PCB Chairman and informed him that despite having submitted clearance certificates from the ICC and Essex police, he was being ignored by the selectors. “The chairman listened patiently to Danish and also asked chief operating officer, Subhan Ahmad to join the meeting. “Subhan informed Ashraf that the only issue the board had with clearing Danish was that it wanted to be sure about the interview the Essex police had with him and whether he was required any longer in the spot-fixing trial or not,” the official said.

  414. #415 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 7:35 PM

    Zen

    I read about this but I feel these kinds of incidents have been happening for a long time, but the media only covers them now.

    This is like how someone claimed that Qayamat must be around the corner because that psychopath in Karachi defiled 70 graves or something. Whether Qayamat is around the corner is a different argument but the media only covers such issues now.

  415. #416 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 7:38 PM

    later the ch2 journalist called 2 experts. a ch2 maulvi and an outspoken socila worker for women’s rights.

    This is the way their debate transpired.

    now I ak you., can things go beyond this.

    that ch2 maulvi and that journalist who was just trying to market the whole event.

    It later transpired that ratings of that channel jacked up.

    i feel the woman aint innocent- may be Im wrong.

    But what is the media trying to show; its corroding the society. And the lesser said about the maulvi the better!

    Sad stuff!

  416. #417 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 7:40 PM

    Qibla, just watch the debate.

    May i ask u, whats more disappointing?

    a stripped bitch or this.

    im not trying to defend this naked show, but what u make of such mashara! Its gone way too sickk….

    this is getin scary ks, seriously scary

  417. #418 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 7:42 PM

    but qibla

    medisa aint reforming the society, they are minting money.

    you r rite abt qayamat!

    how low we have stooped1

  418. #419 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 8:16 PM

    Zen

    Please try to understand what I am saying here.

    I am not concerned that Veena became naked and what she does in her personal life is not my problem. I am not a very religious person myself and even if I was religious I would not want to judge people about their religiosity.

    My problem with her is the way she has totally adapted herself in Indian society in such a way whilst still maintaining her patriotism for Pakistan. Apart from her Punjabi accent there seems to be very little difference between her and general Indian celebrities.

    In fact if she did pose nude then she has gone one step ahead of general Indian celebrities.

    So if she is okay living in India like an Indian person then she should not say that she loves or cares for Pakistan because she has obviously shunned Pakistani values.

    The way she was defending herself in front of the Moulvi was pathetic and I was really shocked to see that people were sympathising with her.

  419. #420 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 8:20 PM

    Zen

    Political parties have their own agenda.

    Governments have their own agenda.

    Civil society has its own agenda.

    Military has its own agenda.

    So why can’t the media have its own agenda?

    Their agenda is to sensationalise and raise their ratings.

  420. #421 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 8:25 PM

    Ks

    since the topic cropped up,i thought abt watching the veena interview.it aint telephonic,maulvi was watching her.

    Im not going into veena rite now.once a woman sells her body,religion or country is nothing for her.

    What u make of this whole woman thing ant the way media has marketed it. It looks a volcano may erupt anytime.

  421. #422 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 8:36 PM

    Zen

    This is the link of that Veena programme, they are not positioned face to face but are you saying that the Moulvi can watch her through video conferencing? It does not appear so.

  422. #423 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 8:58 PM

    Yup, i sawit. They do see each other.

    Qibla, ihave a very low opinion of sluts, so you shouldnt be concerned that Im siding with her.

    scholars are heirs of prophets and we pray behiund them. I have a very hiugh opinion of them.

    Religion is not something which is dismissive.

    news about veena is coming now on local channels. Buit what will happen/

    will she be charged with tyreason for posing ISI logo if presumably its her.

    Nothing gonna change. veena, maulvis, us, media…..

    So why bother? but essence of my argument is we are a diseasesd society, perverted and yet we feel we are the most pious.

    BTW, u say media can have its own agenda.

    so why sluts cant have their own agenda; let them milk money. 😉

    if they are supposed to adhere to some principles, what about media, parties, cricketers, maulvis etc…..

    u havent mentioned a single word abouut that ch2 maulvi/ thats strange!

    Anyway, lets hope overall hings improve.

  423. #424 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:11 PM

    Zen

    You are worried that this Maulvi is preaching to this woman whilst he himself is not a moral being.

    If you are worried about Maulvis preaching then I can assure you that I have never seen a Maulvi come on TV and lambast Pakistani actresses for their performances in Punjabi and Pushtu movies.

    There is a difference here because:

    1. The audience that saw Veena was middle class urbanised families who watch Indian programmes for entertainment, not uneducated and rural minded men who watch mujreys and nude movies in private

    2. If something bad happens in your home then you treat the matter differently but if your house member misbehaves in someone else’s house then you treat the matter differently.

    If you still think there is no difference between this situation and what Meera etc do then I can not convince you.

  424. #425 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:24 PM

    Qibla

    educated and midle class people watch mujras; infact i personally know some who go to brothels to see mujra.

    to be very honest, i have yet to understand what excactly you want to convince me off

    If its just to say that veena is the most patheticc creature in the whole equation, better than maulvi etc then I want to know how this notion rectifies the situation?

    she aint gonna stop, you can curse her as much asd you want.

    I dont think she’ll get a subpoena or chaudhary iftikhar will take suo motu ( provided its proved she did thisd)

    ISI is occupoied with national security mastters , they have the nato problem.

    so who cares and care for what?

    a woman kills her husband sayuing he wanted to rape her daughter. some ch2 media guy plus a maqulvi and a mun path woman sit and start fighting. public watches and doesnt give a damn.

    in sialkot 2 boys were publicly murdered as they were believed to be thieves- teenage boys yet nobody felt any remorse.

    so why you are so concerned?

    i can post you certain links rite now which would make this nude issue meaningless.

    but It wont be sensible!

  425. #426 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:29 PM

    Zen

    That woman was very stupid and insensitive to bring the issue of Mumtaz Qadri. She just wanted to hit the Mullah where it would hurt.

    The presenter did a good job asking her why she claimed without evidence that the dead man can’t be a saint. She was totally flummoxed.

    Some women in Pakistan think they are very smart if they learn 2 words of English.

    Society is polarised there- you are either a Mullah or you are a drinker, smoker, womaniser, sharabi kebabi type of person. There is very little middle ground.

    If people want to get out of Mullahgiri they became polar opposities and sharabi kebabis become Mullah if they want to become religious.

  426. #427 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:35 PM

    qibla

    i have gone through your blog and you guys hate qadri.

    r u changing your stance to defend that maulvi.

    maulvi said eka dukka waqiat hote hae abuse ke, thats BS

    do u know how many eventsa of child molestation occur in madressas?

    do u believe women r secure in paki society.

  427. #428 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:37 PM

    Zen

    Most educated and middle class men I know would be disgusted by Mujras. They would rather watch a hot Indian movie where the girls would be younger and slimmer.

    Plus 50% of Pakistani population, women, don’t watch Mujras.

    You are asking why Veena is relevant. She initially became relevant because she was Mohd Asif’s girlfriend (she used to deny the relationship). Then JAK posted that videoclip in order to criticise the Mullah’s supposed hypocrisy. We had a grand discussion about this isse and there was some disagreement.

    I am not saying that she should be punished. What I am saying here is that on this occasion the Mullah was the lesser evil and I am concerned that Veena’s extraordinary behaviour even makes her less culpable than the Mullah who is simply echoing the views of most Pakistanis. I am trying to get you and JAK to understand that Veena’s case is not like the case of other actresses and models.

    But I am wasting my time because you still don’t understand that what Veena has done has made her a news item on a British news channel, but you are still comparing her with what happens in the neglected streets of Heera Mandi.

  428. #429 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:42 PM

    Zen

    Where did I say that Qadri was right?

    The Mullah on your clip spoke first and he denounced murder. The stupid woman got riled up. She used Qadri just to get back at him. She knew he would flare up.

    She was hitting below the belt. What has this issue got to do with Qadri?

    I know women are not secure in Pakistani society and I feel sorry for her for the torture she must have suffered but murder shouldn’t be the solution.

  429. #430 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:45 PM

    qibla

    jaisai toudi marzii…

    tusi badshaho ho

    ek kam karna

    godwin’s law of online discussion google karna- tusi samjh jaoge 😀

    bahs mein te honda ae, koi gul nahi

  430. #431 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:47 PM

    O Zena paee

    Tussi khallas punjabi ach gull karo mainu,

    twaddi gull samaj nai aandi mainu paeejaan

  431. #432 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 9:50 PM

    I read about Godwin’s Law and it’s a load of BS.

  432. #433 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:52 PM

    o ks

    gul ye hae sub insaan muktalaf hondey aen.

    jadrey fingerprint alag hondey aen tae soch bhi alag hondi ae.

    tusi tension na lya karo basnda nahi mandaa

    agar tusi sahi ho to woh aage manega nahi tae tusi such wich khud ajhaogey

  433. #434 by Zen on December 2, 2011 - 9:56 PM

    qibla

    BS se khad banti hae, ussey anaj banta hae aur hum wo khatey hain 😉

    kabhi kabhi such badra muzakha khez hota hae

  434. #435 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 11:14 PM

    khansahab
    I don’t remember posting that video about Veena and Mullah debate, but do remember posting the other one in which the Mullah was talking about Hoors. Besides, imo neither that uncouth, uneducated Mullah nor that Gashti Veena are important to discuss about them.

  435. #436 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:22 PM

    we have a new thread

  436. #437 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 11:24 PM

    newguy

    what i wrote about Dubai people it is based on my experience and I have lived there long enough to know about the culture and the people. There are many good things about them and one of them is their hospitality. During the month of Ramadan you can walk into any rich man’s house i.e., if you see other people going inside, no one will stop you and ask you who you are, whether you are a Hindu, a Muslim, Christian or a Jew. And you can sit and eat with them. I am not talking just about the Shaikhs but ordinary people who have businesses. They have a very big heart when it comes to hospitality.

    Once, in the month of Ramadan, one of my clients invited me for dinner at his house after the prayers and he explained to me the location of his house, I went there, parked my car and entered the house and saw a few people sitting there. I saw a man stood up and came near me and he was the host and then, I realized that I am in a wrong house, I was supposed to go next door. So, I told the host, I am sorry I am at the wrong house. He said, NO you are at the right house. I asked isn’t it so and so’s house? He said, he lives next door BUT, you are NOT in the wrong house, you came to the right house. And, for me it is an honour that a guest came to my house and I will not let you go until you eat dinner with me. And, he didn’t let me go, I had to eat with him and then I went and ate a little more next door.

  437. #438 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 11:48 PM

    newguy

    about your perception that you don’t want India to play in the UAE, is based on the info that you got or, should I say the info that was forced into your system and you not ony believe that, you don’t even want to change it and it has become a part of your psyche, its like a conviction or, kinda faith and it is residing in your belief system (not your religious set of belief) which we all have besides our religious belief there is another belief system and we want to cling on to that.

    This is exactly what I was trying to say that you being neutral does not change the fact that Misbah is a negative player and the reason behind is his background which you do not know much in detail. Your views are based on what appears on surface, what the media and the high profile writers are writing/commenting/saying about him NOW. Can’t they be wrong? I can say with a lot of conviction that your knowledge is better than that Ch2 Binoy guy whose article excerpts were quoted by tom this morning.

    Look at today’s match, and try to understand my point of view rather our point of view what we have been saying, talking, discussing about Misbah is, he plays for himself which is negative cricket. Whereas, Rohit Sharma played a real anchor role which is obvious from his strike rate. Poor Rohit was dropped several times because of many reasons – to accommodate big players like Sehwag, Gambhir, tendulkar, dravid, Dhoni, Yuvraj in the team – Dhoni on the other hand was giving favours to his blue eyed boy Jaddu. So, there was no room for Rohit in the team, Raina was always preferred because of his one innings of 80 plus against Pakistan and the media started to compare him with Tendulkar.

    Like Misbah, Rohit was in and out of the team and he should have played an innings like Misbah in his tuk tuk style but he didn’t, he kept on taking singles and twos and did not care about his personal record for him winning the match was more important than making a fift or a hundred.

    Whereas Misbah, has done it a few times, scoring fifty plus at a strike rate of 34 and remaining not out, people say – see only Misbah scored a fifty and no one stayed with him, so what can he do? – Even you have said this after the PK BD T20 match that because Misbah was there Afridi scored quick 24 runs. I would say if Afridi had gotten out on zero, PK would have lost this match because the team would have been under tremendous pressure and wickets would have tumbled from other end and Misbah the cool cucumber may have stood firm on his ground and lost the match with honour and dignity and, remained not out on 25 ! That is Misbah. He should learn something from Rohit Sharma.

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