A BALANCING EXERCISE

Graeme Swann feels ODI's should be scrapped

When T20 took over the world by storm many commentators questioned whether the 50 over format would last. The 50 over format has since received criticism and appears to be getting squeezed between T20 and Tests. Cricket reformists lobby for T20 while purists want cricket to maintain its traditional touch with teams regularly competing in Test cricket.

Graeme Swann feels that the ODI format is the least significant format and should be ended in favour of T20 and Tests. Is this the right mentality?

Opinions on this will be very personal but there cannot be any denying that, ODI’s are a great balancing exercise between the thrill and fast pace of T20 and the mental toughness and challenge of Test cricket. In some ways this format incorporates the best of what both T20 and Test can offer. Yet, one can understand why this format is losing popularity in the wake of T20 which has now become the most popular cricket format and is popular with women and children as well as men.

There seems to be a geographical divide in that whereas ODI’s are still popular in the subcontinent, Tests are more popular in England and Australia, who are still prominent members of the cricket fraternity despite the rise of India in the recent past and the improving stature of teams like Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. So, any efforts to end ODI cricket should receive opposition from the subcontinent.

ODI cricket has provided some of cricket’s most glorious memories. Whether that is the Kerry Packer revolution, India’s World Cup 1983 victory, Miandad’s Sharjah sixer, Tendulkar’s general dominance etc, ODI cricket has balanced thrill and skill and brought a fresh and welcome outlook to cricket when it was introduced decades ago.

ODI's have shown us the best of special players like Tendulkar and Afridi

Certain heroic or dramatic events that have captured our hearts and minds can only happen in ODI’s. Shahid Afridi’s 37 ball 100 is one such event- this kind of milestone is unlikely to be reached in any format, but it has the strongest likelihood of being reached in ODI’s. Similarly, the suspense and drama of matches such as the Australia v South Africa semi final in the World Cup 1999 can also only happen in ODI’s.

The ICC needs to think very carefully whether it wants to dispose of ODI’s. Firstly this motion is bound to receive stiff opposition from the subcontinental lobby. Historically subcontinental teams have performed better in ODI and England and Australia have performed better in Tests. So, there might be a clash of opinions here. Secondly, cricket fans around the world may become frustrated with the fact that, T20 often seems to be a contest of luck rather than skill and fans do not get to see a lot of player development and strategy. Whereas they get to see player development, mental toughness and skill in Tests, there is no denying that due to changing trends around the world fans simply do not have enough time to follow Test matches like they used to.

If any format has to be scrapped then arguably it should be Tests. A cricket purist would call for axing for T20s, but that seems very remote because T20 is a money spinner and popular with fans and cricket players alike. So due to the thrill and excitement offered by T20 it will probably exist for a long time to come. However, scrapping ODI should not be the answer.

The ICC can intervene between cricket boards and organise matches evenly between teams so that some teams like India and England don’t feel they are playing too much cricket. They can also alter the rules of the game but this has to be done sensibly and timely. For example, the SuperSub rule introduced a few years ago was a disaster and one wonders how it even saw light of the day?

In Tests I have proposed that there should be some changes in order to make the format more stimulating in order to prevent teams from playing negative cricket which goes against the spirit of the game. I feel that after each session of 10 overs, a batting team should be penalised 50 runs if  it does not score a minimum of 25 or 27 runs. This means, that 50 runs are awarded to the opposition. If this happens in a 4th innings chase then the chasing team has to chase 50 runs more.

Such minor but eminent changes can create more interest in the game.

I feel cricket would lose out if ODI’s are ended in the future. Whilst the ICC should obviously consider changing times and changing demands of the fans, with some imagination they can definitely overcome this problem we are having today of players constantly complaining that they are playing too much cricket. Why not devise some kind of compromise rather than just scrap a format and damage cricket?

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  1. #1 by Sentinel Prime on December 2, 2011 - 11:22 PM

    new thread

  2. #2 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 11:49 PM

    newguy

    If you want to reply to my those two recent comments on the other thread, you may do so here because we will continue it from here.

  3. #3 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 2, 2011 - 11:54 PM

    When I read the comments made by Swann or (Huns) I said:

    Ek zamana aye ga,

    Huns chuggay ga Dana Kankar
    Kuwwa Moti khaye gaa….

    But, scrapping ODI is a stupid idea. I agree with khansahab that ODI is balancing the game between the slow paced test matches and fast paced T20, they all have their own charm BUT, in my opinion, more ODIs to be played and not curtailed.

  4. #4 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 4:17 AM

    This is a good topic.

    I think ODI should stay. They can be very interesting, enough time to build up tension and then explode towards the end. World Cup is most interesting in this format. Meaningless bi-lateral ODIs can be cut down, or reduced in numbers. For instance, Ind and WI could play a 3 match series instead of a 5 match series, or bring another team and play a three nation cup.

    T20 is here to stay because it is short, people have less time now, and it is sort of fun cricket. Quality is not great, but it is where money is and it will stay.

    Test cricket when there is a result is the most gripping format, real test of skills. Test matches should be cut down in numbers to reduce the days spent playing it, and rules should be bought forth to reduce draws.

    I think Test matches are the ones that should go if at all anything should go. But, I really think it can be sustained by playing reduced number of games in each format, and by having a Test championship.

  5. #5 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 4:22 AM

    One guy Mukul Kesavan wrote an article on CricInfo stating why Tendulkar’s 100th hundred doesn’t matter. If you all recall, I said it here few days back that 100th International hundred is not even a land mark, because Test and ODI hundreds should not be combined. This guy is saying the same.

    It is absurd to consider ODI hundreds together with Test hundreds. Tendulkar himself should be coming out and saying this is all non sense, and he doesn’t care about it. But it appears he do care about it, and is very self conscious about it.

    Here is the link to article: http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/543468.html

    Kesavan also goes on to say without mincing words that Bradman is the real God of cricket, if at all a God of cricket existed.

    Here is the final comment:
    The most worrying thing of all is that the Little Master seems to have drunk his own KoolAid. For the last several innings he has looked weighed down by the pressure of this non-event. Someone should whisper in his ear that he is a great man, that this absurd quest is beneath him. If he does get a hundred the next time he plays a Test innings, he ought to see it as an oblique salute to Bradman, not an ersatz tribute to himself. There is no 100th hundred to be had: the whole, in this case, is less than the sum of its parts.

    It will be interesting to read the comments from Sachin fans.

  6. #6 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 4:52 AM

    Newguy

    I have read Mukul’s article because you have posted the link, I have read him before and also read the other blogs and comments of other writers who write regularly on cridinfo. But, then I stopped reading them because they always pick up the obvious rather the hot subject and air their views – some of them have the same substance as ours but, with high sounding, airy and pompus words – some of them are absolutely crap. Same is the case with DAWN blog, in fact over there lullo punjoos write and think they are the authority on cricket, in reality there is no substance, all crap.

    Since we have discussed about tendulkar’s 100th 100 in so much detail that we don’t need to discuss it any further and I do agree with you that comparing, mixing centuries of both formats of the game is a very stupid notion because, no one does that, they always say for e.g., 50 ODI hundreds and 50 test hundreds and not 48~52. And, I don’t think tendulkar will come out and say this is a stupid notion. Because, like you have said, he cares about this record, whereas it will never be a record.

    Back to the subject of the thread i.e., about ODI’s, like I have said, you don’t have to follow the Swans, Geese and Ducks but use your own mind, this format is being played for over 40 years and it has been very successful. Because, unlike test matches every match was producing a result. The reason some people want to scrap it is because of the introduction of T20 which is very fast and not good enough to enjoy. Its like an evening out and people are watching this for entertainment purposes only and some wanted to bring it at par with hockey and soccer, still it takes more than 3 hours to finish off the T20 game. Whereas, in the ODI you almost spend a day enjoying it. And, I am for it. World cup, and similar other cups where all nations play should be more frequent and balanced for all nations.

    Tri series must be encouraged because at times only two nations especially with one being a minnow there is no charm. I saw empty stands in Mirpur in the first ODI and that is because the home team performed poorly during the one and only T20 which they lost so badly and their supporters did not show up for the ODI, which once again was a one sided affair. Mushfiq ur Rahim was making excuses that the pitch was not up to their standards or, expectationss. If you can’t prepare a pitch that suits the home team then what else do you want? IMO, basically he was trying to cover it up for the poor performance of his players in both departments. Crowd expectations were sky-high but, they did not check the stats that BD seldom wins against PK except for that one WC ODI in England courtesy Wasim Bai. So, I am for keeping the ODI spirit alive and must be played more frequently, whichever player is not interested in it should not play.

  7. #7 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 5:07 AM

    Mike Hussey’s mojo has gone, remember when he was new he became the first player to score fastest 1000 runs in only 166 days. His average was sky rocketing and people said, he is going to break all records.HELL NO, because he was already 30 or 31 years in age. Besides when you play fewer number of matches the average will always be high i.e., if you have scored a lot of runs in those few matches. Hussey’s test average I recon was over 80 and ODI average was greater than DON. But, we all new that he won’t be standing on that higher ground for a long period of time. Perhaps he is averaging around 50 now in both formats of the game?

    In any case one cannot take away his contribution to Australia, he was one of the best accumulator for the team in the lower middle order and provided a great stability to the team in crisis. He was like a second wall of defense as well as an aggressor in the death overs. He will always be in the mind of Saeed Ajmal and his nightmare i.e., when he hammared him in that T20 WC.

    Misbah thinks that he is Pakistan’s Hussey as there is a tendency to call the sub-continent with names like, Asian Bradman for Zaheer Abass, Pakistani McGrath for Asif etc., what Misbah should learn from these players is “a little bit of aggression and keeping the strike rate high.” Otherwise, sooner or later he will be exposed and the same people who are praising him will criticize him when the team starts losing against good teams. But, by then Misbah will retire.

    Aah ko chaahiye ek ‘umr asar honay tak
    Kaun jeeta hai teree zulf ke sar honay tak?

  8. #8 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 6:11 AM

    LOL, Zaka wants to emulate Ijaz Butt, he wants to go to India to revive the cricket relationship and he is only waiting for Hina Rabbani Khar to wink at him.

  9. #9 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 9:55 AM

    “Misbah is so clinical“: Ramiz Raja

  10. #10 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:01 AM

    LOL Ramiz praised a mediocre shot from Misbah but was disappointed when it didn’t reach the boundary.

    Ramiz, please see before you open your mouth. I know you love Misbah and Y Beauty but please be a little fair.

  11. #11 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:05 AM

    This is what a negative approach does to you, Younis making an ordinary 37 from 70 balls.

    Their psyche is negative because they are not thinking to maximise the chances. They want to play it safe.

    You might play 70 balls but if you only end up with 37 you end up looking mediocre.

  12. #12 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:09 AM

    Good innings from Beauty, well done.

    Every single one of these match commentators are pathetic.

  13. #13 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:15 AM

    Beauty got out very soon after his 50.

    Why is Malik coming before Afridi?

  14. #14 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 10:16 AM

    Mesbha is not pk’s Hussey

    but he is

    Pakistan’s Khassi 😆

  15. #15 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 10:21 AM

    So khassi trying his level best to make sania a permanent keep in the team.

    Palitycs zindabad 😛

  16. #16 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:25 AM

    Zen

    When Malik was captain and Misbah was reintroduced into the team, I noticed they were quite pally.

  17. #17 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:29 AM

    Misbah gone on 37 from 55 balls.

  18. #18 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 10:39 AM

    Khas kum jahan pak

  19. #19 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:47 AM

    Very poor shot by Malik.

    Anyway when he came out to bat it was too late for him to muscle his way to a 50 or something.

  20. #20 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:54 AM

    I can’t believe Afridi ran for that run, it was asking to be run out. He does these stupid things sometimes.

  21. #21 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 11:03 AM

    That’s an excellent shot by Afridi, perfect placement.

    Played with the air of a seasoned batsman and not a mindless slogger.

  22. #22 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 11:07 AM

    Good knock by Afridi.

    If U Akmal and Afridi had not performed what would Misbah and Younis have done?

    This slow approach by them will not work all the time.

    I can understand the openers playing slowly because they can’t put too much pressure on the middle order. But, the middle order stalwarts have to accelerate.

  23. #23 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 11:09 AM

    If Afridi picks 2 wickets he will be MOM.

    So another chance for him to bag the award.

    He deserves it because his batting is showing rare maturity.

    I think his feud with Waqar has helped to some extent.

  24. #24 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 11:17 AM

    Renaisanc in afridi’s battng has to do with captaincy. It has allowd to play freely w/o any prasure.

    Poor captaincy 2 sent malik b4 afridi

  25. #25 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 12:01 PM

    Woah good catch by Younis, on a terrible ball by Gul.

  26. #26 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 12:09 PM

    Newguy

    About SRT’s “record”, whether it is strictly a record or not is immaterial. Who has the authority to dictate whether some feat is a record or not? In almost every match someone can create some kind of record. This current match between Pakistan and Bangla might be the 50th or 100th occasion where a spinner (Hafeez) has opened the bowling. But, this might not be noticed but such trivial events can also be records.

    100 international centuries is definitely a milestone- whether it comes under the strict definition of a “record” is not important.

    As for Mukul Kesavan, his views are now being echoed by many Indians. Every day you will see someone writes an article asking why this 100th century is so important for a man who has already hit 99 centuries relatively easily. But, the fact is that a few months ago almost everyone was considering this as a “record” and with the exception of a few (which might include you) all Indians wanted SRT to hit that elusive century.

    Now that he is struggling to reach that milestone people are trying to relieve some pressure and asking what the big deal is in the first place.

  27. #27 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 12:11 PM

    Calm and cool Misbah takes a sitter.

    2 down for Bangla.

  28. #28 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 12:24 PM

    I said people are writing such articles everyday, and here is one!

    The writer contradicts herself like many Indians are now doing. She first says that getting that milestone is very important because of nationalism etc but in the post script she says that it is not important and we should just enjoy his game!

    Amateurish journalism. Just admit you want him to get it asap because it is very embarrassing how the milestone keeps eluding him.

    Sachin’s hundredth 100 – only a matter of time

    Manisha Singh

    Some things never change. When Sachin arrived on the world scene and donned the India cap as a shy boy in 1989 against Pakistan in Karachi, the expectations of the people from him were enormous from day one. It has been a lifetime since then. Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar still carries the weight of expectations of the billion plus population of this country on his shoulders every time he goes out to bat. Add to that the increased media hype.

    No wonder the frenzy and the excitement that has surrounded the impending hundredth 100 from the Little Master is expected. When Sachin got out at the score of 94 in the first innings of the third Test against West Indies, naturally it was met with disbelief and shock from the crowd at his home ground.

    The reaction of the crowd was such that the bowler who took Tendulkar’s wicket Ravi Rampaul said later, “I got the feeling that I was the villain as soon as Sachin went. When I was back to the boundary, I got abused in a way b
    ut that’s how cricket goes. I know I have let a lot of Sachin’s fans down and heartbroken.”

    Nonetheless, the spectators at the Wankhede stadium recovered from it soon and gave an emotional send off to the man who has enthralled them for over two decades. A standing ovation to Sachin was probably the cricket lovers way of telling him – the 100 will come, sooner than later – you don’t need to prove anything to anybody anymore – we thank you for the happiness that your sublime batting has given us.

    The people of this country want Sachin to reach the milestone as soon as he can because it is a summit that no one has ever climbed and everyone wants to experience the pride that comes with an Indian reaching that special place.

    Sachin himself must be eager to reach the pinnacle as soon as possible for various reasons. He must ardent to do it for himself, for his family, his fans and for his country. Moreover once the number is out of the way he can go ahead and enjoy the cricket left in him. After all, he is human too.

    Former India player Sanjay Manjrekar said during the course of the recent series, “Sachin should quickly get the monkey off his back.” To which former India captain Ravi Shastri replied on a lighter note, “The monkey has grown into a gorilla now.”

    Sachin has now gone 16 innings including the one-dayers and Tests without scoring a century. This was the 10th time that the master blaster had got out in the 90s in Tests. The last time was when he fell for 91 at The Oval against England in August. He scored the 99th ton against South Africa during the World Cup on March 11, 2011. He has 48 tons in the ODIs and 51 in the longer version of the game.

    Post Script: Scoring the hundredth 100 will not make Sachin a bigger legend than he is now. His genius and greatness has already been immortalised. The hundredth 100 will come. It is just a matter of time. So let us stop the frenzy that is build up every time that Tendulkar goes out to bat and just sit back and enjoy his game.

  29. #29 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 12:34 PM

    Today afridi batted after mr stability was gone. It was a block buster knock. Hence the notion that mesbha provides stability to hitters like afridi goes down the drain!

    What was mesbha’s role- a measly 35 in 55 balls.

    There are now question marks over performance of mr cool in shorter formats. The sort of block stuff he plays aint a rarity- many batsmen can play. Its hi time to enthrust odi captaincy to hafiz and tl mesbha to play tortoise in test ckt. 😀

  30. #30 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 12:48 PM

    Zen

    This is what I don’t understand about Misbah’s team:

    If permanent selection Hafeez bats slowly to preserve wickets top of the order

    If borderline selection Y Beauty is expected to score quickly

    If they also rely on “mindless slogging” of Afridi to score quicky,

    then how can they ensure consistency?

    It seems too much onus is on a slogger and borderline selection to take the team towards respectability because the openers and middle order batsmen bat slowly.

  31. #31 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 12:49 PM

    Meaning the core players play it safe whereas peripheral and borderline players are relied on.

    This is not the correct approach.

  32. #32 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 12:52 PM

    Sohail Tanvir has lost his touch. He is a mediocre bowler now and can’t stay in this team.

    He has to bowl quicker, he needs to take more wickets.

    As I am typing this Sarfraz drops a sitter! I don’t see this keeper playing again for Pakistan.

  33. #33 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:07 PM

    “Hafeez’s progress has made Afridi work harder”: Ramiz Raja

  34. #34 by Mohammed Munir on December 3, 2011 - 1:10 PM

    KS …

    Scums of the society are living in every country of the world. Have a look:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069467/Man-woman-arrested-month-old-baby-raped-battered.html

    If this happens in the so-called ‘first-world’ how can we blame ‘third-world’ ❓

  35. #35 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 1:11 PM

    KS,

    I agree that some of these writers are coming out now and saying 100th hundred doesn’t matter has got to do with Sachin not reaching there soon enough, so they are down playing it a bit, and they know he will get there eventually. No guarantees though. Ricky Ponting has now gone 30 innings without a hundred, his last Test hundred came 2 years back against Pakistan when Mohd Amir dropped him early. Ponting is now averaging in 37 since 2007 in Tests. So, it is possible, Tendulkar could end up like that. We will see.

  36. #36 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:12 PM

    Munir sahab

    Yeah, this stuff happens everywhere.

    Some people develop psychological issues and commit such acts which is a little different from cold blooded murder.

  37. #37 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 1:14 PM

    Bagoos are so pathetic, they should not even be playing cricket.

    Rameez Raja tweets:
    Afrid’s consistency can be put down to Hafeez’s growth as an all rounder. Both are competing for being the best all rounder in the team.

    Misbah provided anchor role today, so that younsgta bueaty and Afridi could accilerate 😉

    OK, this is a joke only, Misbah played slow, he should take some singles once in a while.

  38. #38 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:15 PM

    Newguy

    I think he will get it because he hit 94 against West Indies. Over the next two years India will definitely play a weaker side on a flat track somewhere so it can come fairly easily.

    However, I am not writing him off because he has faced tough times before and then come out strongly.

  39. #39 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:18 PM

    Newguy

    The irony is that whereas Bangla are unbelievably pathetic, the only way they can become better IS by playing international cricket.

    The ICC knows there is a market there and matches are well attended. I think they have some mental problems which need to be overcome.

    Having said that it is bad for strong teams to play against them because strong teams won’t learn anything and cricket gets boring.

  40. #40 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 1:18 PM

    I don’t think Tendulkar is all that genius that people are writing about, he has been a one of the all time greats, along with Ponting, Lara, Hutton, Hobbs, so on ..

    He still do not have a memorable Test hundred like Laxman’s 280, Dravid’s 270, both against dominant Australian side in winning causes. His high score is 248, that came in a draw against Australia. He has many memorable hundreds in losing causes.

  41. #41 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 1:21 PM

    KS,

    Yrah, I won’t write him off too, because he is single minded to pursue something when he wants it. Case in point, the first and only ODI 200. I recall, Javed Khan wrote on this blog that Tendulkar will not hit 200 in ODI, but someone else like Sehwag or Gayle can, but Tendulkar proved him wrong. So, I won’t write him off. He puts his mind to it, he usually gets it. Perhaps he should also put his mind to winning a tough 4th innings chase.

  42. #42 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 1:21 PM

    Haha…

    First it was kheera’s stability,now its hafiz’s evolution!

    Shame on u khasees, we all know afridi potential. He doesut need these ch2 motivation.

    Tomorow hel say beauty’s fairness

    BTW, what wil propel hudharam sania 2 perform. At least hafiz is not making him improve.

  43. #43 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:23 PM

    Newguy

    In terms of individual Test innings he is not as good as Dravid or Lara.

    He is not a man of crisis and he does not do rescue missions.

    He likes going for his shots and his claim to fame is records.

    However the Indian public is to blame for this because they made him a deity in the late 90s when he was hitting 100s very consistently. Ever since then he focused on getting more 100s only and not rescuing the team.

  44. #44 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:27 PM

    Newguy

    I also thought that SRT would not be able to get 200 and it always seemed like someone like Sehwag.

    The way he got it was sublime too and I have barely seen anyone play Steyn and Morkel so well.

  45. #45 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:37 PM

    Newguy

    I have said this before that if someone asks you what is the most significant individual feat or milestone in cricket?

    A great catch? A 5 wicket haul? A hat-trick? A Youngsta Beauty?

    Most people will say it’s a century. A century is a symbol of persistence, perseverance, domination etc and it gets you a standing ovation. The batsman takes off his helmet and raises his arms and has a little walk. This is the most respectful and dramatic incident in cricket.

    So, that is what SRT became famous for and what gave India respect at a time when the likes of Venkatesh Prasad, Sanjay Manjrekar etc used to embarrass India with their mediocrity.

    You can say that his achievements were not reached under “crisis” situations or under extreme pressure but they were achieved nonetheless.

    To say he is not a pressure player is a valid criticism but on the other hand his batting is about attacking good bowlers and playing extraordinary shots. He is not a minnow basher

  46. #46 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:40 PM

    Bangla are hitting Afridi now.

    Misbah relieved pressure off the batsmen by persisting with Hafeez and bringing Tanvir in.

    After the initial damage done by Hafeez he should have brought Afridi and Ajmal in straightaway.

  47. #47 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 1:44 PM

    LOL

    Misbah brings in Malik to replace Afridi

    LOL

    Excellent strategy to remove pressure.

  48. #48 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 1:52 PM

    khansahab

    BD needs 178 runs in 20 overs, even by T20 standards its a tall order, so I guess its gonna be a PK cake walk unless one of these two batsmen playing now scores big and start hitting sixes and fours. That is also not likely to happen.

    As regards bowling change, a good captain can see the conditions and bring in their attacking bowlers with the notion – strike when the iron is hot – laikin Missy Baba tou Missy Baba hain all he can do is protect Sania. As I am writing this Malaika Sania has been introduced and he has set a “defensive field” so that even if he goes wicketless he should not be expensive and that would be another minus point. Batting wise Malik has top scored today i.e., in comparison to his own recent performances. So, there is some improvement and Kheera will praise him for that once again.

    Younus Khan and Misbah once again played a painful pathetic innings ….. I dunno whats wrong with these guys? Why is that Dumb Coach not asking these two senior players to accelerate their strike rates, as it is they don’t hit fours, so they must rotate strike and take singles instead of playing with a dead bat.

    A maiden over now and that too 32nd over at this stage seals the fate of this match. The Bangoos must be thinking lets emulate Misbah so they are playing slow.

  49. #49 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 1:57 PM

    Afridi is back, may be he wanted to change ends? If this partnership is broken, then Afridi might get a couple of wickets in his remaining overs otherwise it is not possible because, the batsmen are not taking chances, offering dead bat or scoring extremely slowly. In which case getting them out is not easy.

  50. #50 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 2:02 PM

    I think Ajmal should be able to break the partnership. This is too boring, the Bangooz are not scoring …. it is like watching Misbah’s clones batting!

  51. #51 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 2:10 PM

    Bangla are showing Pakistan that though they will lose this match, they will not be all out.

    Well if you just want to block every ball then you will not get out easily and an example of that is Misbah.

    So, negative cricket by Bangladesh and unfortunately the laws of the game allow this.

  52. #52 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 2:12 PM

    Javed A Khan

    Younis Khan has definitely regressed under the Misbah and Mohsin Khan regime.

    Shame to see this talented player playing pathetically towards the end of his career.

  53. #53 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 2:21 PM

    This man Nasir Hossain is turning out to be a good misbatsman he has been consistent throughout and scoring highest runs for BD in this series.

    Someone on cricinfo is remembering India’s performance and wrote this: “This pointless chase reminds me of a match between India and England (Prudential World Cup, 1st match). England set the target of 335 in 60 overs and India scored 132/3 after they played out all their overs. Gavaskar played a notorious innings of 36 consuming 174 balls! A nothing chase!” Gavaskar was proud to carry his bat through for all the 60 overs, hence he is the record holder and Misbah is just behind him.

    It was in this 1st WC Pakistan lost to WI when Andy Roberts and the WK Murray scored 60 odd runs for the last wicket and that was so frustrating for Pakistan. Was it Murray or someone else? During that time all ODIs were a 60 overs match.

  54. #54 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 2:23 PM

    Finally Ajmal breaks the partnership.

    Phew.

    Excellent captaincy there.

  55. #55 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 2:25 PM

    JAK/Zen

    So much as been said about Misbah’s motivational skills. He just doesn’t motivate his team but also the opposition team to play negatively 😀

  56. #56 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 2:25 PM

    khansahab I am agree with your views on Younus Khan, I think he should retire from ODI’s and T20 and play only test cricket.

    Another Ch2 view on cricinfo, perhaps this is a BANGOO who is saying this:

    “From Bangladesh’s point of view, I think that’s a very realistic idea though it might seem a pointless chase. Since the pitch is still a mystery to the Bangladeshi Batsmen, these two may be trying to get a deeper look at it, getting accustomed to it and preparing themselves for the upcoming matches.”

    If they want to try and get a deeper look at the pitch, they should do so in a domestic match and not at international level, you don’t experiment when playing against an international team.

    Shakibul GONE, so there you go, watch for the slide now. Ajmal broke the partnership.

  57. #57 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 2:26 PM

    If Ramiz says “hoping against hope” one more time I’ll bang my head against the table.

  58. #58 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 2:47 PM

    After the fall of Shakib Al, Misbah should have brought in Afridi, because he creates problems for new batsmen and won’t let them settle, but Misbah has his own agenda. So, has Hossain, he is now aiming for his 100, he is already in his 80’s and with Tanvir and Gul bowling it is not difficult for a settled batsman. If he does get a hundred that will boost the morale of BD batsmen and thats a shame for PK.

  59. #59 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 2:50 PM

    The man of the match award must go to Nasir Hossain especially if he scores a 100, albeit in a losing cause yet its a defiant innings but, they will give it to the YOUNGSTA BEAUTY

  60. #60 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 2:54 PM

    JAK

    I agree with you that Misbah didn’t handle Afridi well in this match.

    Firstly he brought him in very late.

    Then he got him out of the attack after 5 overs.

    Then he brought him back in for only 1 over.

    He didn’t use Afridi as a wicket taker today.

    I don’t think he should have let Hafeez bowl 10 on the trot.

  61. #61 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 2:55 PM

    KS,

    I agree with everything you wrote about Tendulkar. I think your analysis is spot on. I haven’t seen anyone else decode Tendulkar’s career as well as you have done. It is unbiased, and at the same time you do not defend him for the usual things that people normally accuse him of. Accepting those short comings while looking at the great qualities are the right way to analyze Tendulkar. Most analysts that I have seen, whether ex-players, writers, or regular people, go one way or the other, i.e, one side claim he is superior to all, that he is not after records, so on .. other side puts him down for not scoring under pressure, he is after records, so on .. You have done a perfect job of deciphering what it all means.

    As for the public, a great player should not bother with them, but unfortunately Tendulkar is a product of the Indian fancy, they nurtured him, protected him, unconditionally, giving him all sorts of freedom no player ever enjoyed, therefore he is become public property. He has to give back what they want. If you think about it, Tendulkar can walk in and out of the Indian team when he wishes, he cannot be dropped, he cannot be questioned, he will retire when he wants to. This all because everyone knows how much the public supports him unconditionally.

  62. #62 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 2:55 PM

    Congrats to Hussain for his 100.

    Tendulkar can’t score a 100 but Hossain can 😀

    Poor bowling figures for Afridi today.

  63. #63 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 2:59 PM

    JK,

    Bangladesh has done this negative thing so many times before. There was one high scoring match before, I don’t recall against who, may be SA, they played so slowly because the run rate was too high for them, later their captain defended by saying match could not have been won so they were getting batting practice.

    In Gavaskar’s defense it can be said he did not know at the time how ODI should be played, he was a Test player, and 335 is not chased in 60 overs in Tests those days. ODI format was new at that time. He later on apologized for it sort of by saying it was a mistake in his career. He later on changed his ODI technique was scoring relatively faster towards the end of his carrer. In fact, he made a very fast hundred, his only hundred, one match before the last ODI he played in 87 WC.

    That example therefore no longer valid. Bangla is the most negative team playing today. This must have a lot to do with their national psyche. They need some proper training at grass roots level, from school.

  64. #64 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 2:59 PM

    Is it Afridi or Sohail Tanvir?

    48.6 Sohail Tanvir to Nasir Hossain, no run
    48.5 Sohail Tanvir to Nasir Hossain, no run
    48.4 Sohail Tanvir to Nasir Hossain, FOUR, fortuitous but he gets there! Chips down the track and gets an outside edge that beats the keeper, no slips, down to third man, at least Nasir goes home happy and well done to him!
    48.3 Sohail Tanvir to Nasir Hossain, no run, gets forward and drives to cover
    48.2 Sohail Tanvir to Nasir Hossain, FOUR, this is giving this crowd something to cheer! Drops it short and he rocks back and slashes it past backward point
    48.1 Shahid Afridi to Nasir Hossain, SIX, tosses it up and he gives the charge and slams it over extra cover! Just over the rope and that takes him to 92

  65. #65 by NewGuy on December 3, 2011 - 3:03 PM

    I hope you are all not serious about this Nasser guy. He scored so slow and was playing for his batting record. Once he got to 90 off 121 balls, that is 20 selfish overs he wasted, then he hit some fours and sixes to get a selfish 100. What a pathetic show from Bagladesh. They should be penalized for making boring for their own followers.

  66. #66 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 3:05 PM

    newguy

    On Bangladesh’s negative tactics i.e., what you have written above that they did so many times and on one occasion they said since the target was so high and unachievable that is why they played slowly……… one thing that you can derive from that…….. its simply the fear that makes them play negatively and that is what Misbah does and what Younus Khan is doing now and what Malik is trying to do now is to play slowly and negatively to make some runs only to justify their selection, whereas negative tactics goes un-noticed by many.

  67. #67 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 3:15 PM

    In French there is an expression: Tout a une fin est un résultat. It literally means, everything ends with a result. But, the common or general meaning or the common usage is: “All good things come to an end.” Thanks God, finally this most boring match also came to an end and with a result that was expected. Bangoos don’t play for yourself, play for the country and for the people.

  68. #68 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 3:24 PM

    So, Nasir Hossain is the MoM as predicted, good to give him that award to encourage youngsters and I would have been disappointed if it was given to youngsta beauty.

    Misbah said, its REALLY good to have all-rounders in the team ! Now people will take it as a word of Gospel.

    khansahab do you remember when we discussed this subject of all-rounders and specialist batsmen and specialist bowlers, we both insisted on having all-rounders especially in the shorter version of the game and your friend Sagaat was adamant that NO we need specialists. Anyways, this point just came to my mind so I am writing it here.

  69. #69 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 5:11 PM

    O ji all rounder ka to zikr zaruri hae.

    Akhir sania se bada all rounder kaun hae 😉

  70. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 8:21 PM

    Zen

    When he was the captain of the Pakistan team, he self-proclaimed as the best all-rounder of the country. He made his ODI debut 12 years ago and each time he fails, he says: “We are still learning.” Probably he is quoting that Al-Hadith, seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave, yes that is fine but, this is not just knowledge, it is a skill too and you have to deliver it at this level and not keep on saying we are still learning. This is not high school where he dropped out 13 years ago and wants to learn more, but makes no effort in learning.

  71. #71 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 8:39 PM

    Jak

    aadmi ka jaisa level hota hae, wo waisi hi logon ke qareeb hota hae

    mesbha khud zero player,isi lye wo malak ko support karta hae. Dono kangley chaley haen khalifa giri karney.

  72. #72 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 8:46 PM

    Just compare mesba with clarke.such a gutsy player, twice hes made hundreds when team was in trouble and that too being captain.

    Mesbha and goats are similar. Both give out MENGNEYAS. Goats while defecating and khera while batting.

    Inadequate,spineless leader! 😛

  73. #73 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 9:10 PM

    Zen

    When you start mentioning names like Michael Clarke people ask why you are expecting a stop gap arrangement to perform like an ideal arrangement.

  74. #74 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 9:24 PM

    Qibla

    aqal kisi bazar mein nahi milti. To argue with fools is foolishness.

    Hum to suqrat ke aashiq hain.zehr ka pyala pi lenge magr sach bolenge;kisi ko kadwra lagta hae to lagey.

  75. #75 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 9:44 PM

    Zen

    Aap ki sachai ko hamara salam.

    Aap ki izzat mai shair arz kiya hai, hamari kitaab “Pasmanzar e Baseerath” sey liya gaya hai:

    “Agar che buth hai jamaat ki aastino mein
    Mujhey hai hukm e azaan, La Ilaha Illallah

    Yeh nagma fasl e gulolala ka nahi pabandh
    Bahar ho key khazan, La Ilaha Illallah”

  76. #76 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 10:03 PM

    Ghalib ka ek shair hae

    ye masail e tasawuf,ye tera byan ghalib

    tujhe hum wali samjhe,jo no bade khawar hota

    ek khansahab (ap nahi) ye shair yun padhra

    ye masala tasaruff, ye tera bunyan ghalib

    khocha eid pe ney dhota, to zaleel o khawar hota.

  77. #77 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 10:23 PM

    Zen

    Aap ki khoobsurat paishkush hamarey mehdood samaj sey goya baahir hai.

    Aap ki izzat mai na cheez apna kalaam farmata hai jo kitaab, “Inteha e Shaistigi” sey liya gaya hai:

    “Nigaah-e-Faqr Mein Shaan-e-Sikandari kya hay

    Khiraaj Ki Jo Gadaa Ho, Woh Qaisary Kya Hai

    Buton Se Tujh Ko Umeedein, Khuda Se Na Umeedi

    Mujhay Bata To Sahi Or Kafirie Kya Hai”

  78. #78 by Zen on December 3, 2011 - 10:38 PM

    Qibla

    tashree kardein

    sara din maghaz mari karne ke bad poetry samjhne ka stamina nahi

  79. #79 by Sentinel Prime on December 3, 2011 - 11:11 PM

    Miyan Zen

    Bhaiyya mashgala kuch yun hai keh hum iss falsafey mai itney mushghool ho gaye hain keh Misbah ul Haq sahib aisi balleybaazi kyun kartay hain, keh hamari samaj bhi asar andaiz ho gayi hai.

    Shair o shayari aur urdu adab ki yeh nafees mehfil hum kal rakhein gey aur aap ki shirkat key muntazir hongay.

  80. #80 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 3, 2011 - 11:23 PM

    khansahab

    Aaj ka kaam kal par na choriyeh
    Bucchaon kay liyeh Nau-Nehal aaj hee kharidiyeh. 😀

    I don’t think you will understand this, may be Zen might get it.

    Tusi Khair naal jao
    Tay Khair naal aao

    Sher Arz hai:

    A jeena V kee Jeena aye
    Jhelum day Uggay Deena aye

  81. #81 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 3:38 AM

    australia require 20 odd for victory

    pattinson takes 5 wkts

    this team will come back in top 2, definitely!

  82. #82 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 3:45 AM

    Magr mesbha ke kaan par juun tak nahi rengey gi aur wo aise he khele gaa!

    arz kya yae

    u youngsta beauty

    listen to my cummentary

    mesbha is very pretty

    butta afridi is a dirty

    encore! encore!

    this dilshan is a KEEP

    people say waqqa a cheap

    do a analysis a deep

    hes drinking milk, dont be a peep

    encore! encore!

    u youngsta beauty

    where is danish vettori

    drink milk usefully

    and listen to my cummentary

    from waqqa with a love

  83. #83 by Mohammed Munir on December 4, 2011 - 10:16 AM

    Nice new thread, and for a change this one is not on any ‘single individual’ but a real issue relating to cricket. 😉

    Anyways, I think that all the 3 formats of cricket today have become necessary and it will be unfair to discard any of one of them. The differences in each of the formats, their respective style of game, planning, timings, strategies, and even audiences are quite obvious. Similarly, certain teams have added advantages in their preferred formats.

    Having said that, it must also be noted that for minnow teams, the shorter version provides better opportunities to compete with top teams which is not the case in, say, Test matches.

  84. #84 by Mohammed Munir on December 4, 2011 - 12:39 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Regarding taunting, I am sorry, if my taunting was out of place, but it was NOT done in “very unscrupulous, contemptuous and scornful” fashion. 😉

    You would remember that after my lengthy comment you wrote something like, A LOW jee Munir ki kitaab Shaye ho gayee, ab parhnay ka TAME nikalna paray ga! 😀 while in one of your other comments you mentioned Well Munir, Unglion ka massage kerwana para hoga baad may! 😀

    Both these comments are frank and said in rather jokingly manner, but they can also be qualified as ‘taunts’ and these had the famous *winks* too. But I never had any issues with these, whereas it seems my comments about “Masala Kam Par Gaya Hai” had bothered you a lot. Anyways, my sincere apologies for that.

    Secondly, it looks you don’t like my winking icons, if it is really so then you can ‘order’ me and I will stop using them completely. Still better, as LS administrator, you can completely remove the icons so no bloggers can use them at all.

    Further, no matter how much I dislike Hammad Azam or any other player in the entire Pakistan team (which I actually don’t), my disliking and disapproving of them can not be compared with your disliking of Misbah. Because I have neither written 3/ 4 full fledged threads dedicated only and only for the purpose of bashing one person nor have I written hundreds and hundreds of comments over last 2/ 3 years criticizing and abusing him. I can NEVER do that, because I neither have the energy nor the will to do so against anyone one person, no matter how much I dislike them.

    So even if my comments sound like a ‘high school kid’ and may be “very unscrupulous, contemptuous and scornful” but trust me it was just one-off comment. Whereas, your regular and planned abusing, bashing, criticizing and thrashing of Misbah is an everyday affair.

    About captains selecting players, you said, Is Shahid Afridi the Chief Selector? / You think Shahid Afridi had any say in chosing the playing XI?

    Well, let me put the same questions to you, Is Misbah the Chief Selector ❓ Do you think that Misbah have any say in choosing the playing XI ❓

    So if Malik is playing then why you are blaming Misbah for that ❓

    In my humble opinipion, Malik is so strong and have such contacts that not Misbah, but even President of Pakistan can not keep him out of the team, “Karlo Jo Karna Hai”. 😉

    BTW, did you answer my question about Why did Afridi asked the PCB to include Shoaib Malik in the WC team

    And why did Afridi gave so many chances to that young guy Shahzeb ❓

    I think, if Afridi is strong enough to give so many chances to a failing useless Shazeb, then he could have definitely included Hammad Azam or Fawad Alam, if he wanted to.

    You think that Hammad Azam and Fawad Alam sat in the dugout throughout the tour and they never gave him any chance, because, Wasim, Waqar, Ramiz Raja kept talking about the YOUNGSTA BEAUTY.

    So you believe that the decisions of the playing eleven is based on the commentaries of these guys ❓

    What was the captain Afridi doing then ❓ Was Afridi such a weak captain who had to listen to outsiders ❓

    And don’t give me the same storey that he ‘resigned’ because of these selection issues, we all know why he resigned and how badly he was begging Ijaz Butt to come back in the team.

    Lastly, you think that, Instead of holding my ground I am looking for someone to cling on to, dooobtay ko tinkay ka sahaara. Well, if you are pointing toward NewGuy, then you will agree that NewGuy was not there on this blog for several months now, but I was still contributing in whatever way, so I don’t feel the need to ‘cling on to’ anyone. Secondly, if I am arguing against three persons here and I have referred to NewGuy’s name in my comments, so what is the harm in that ?

    Finally, I have already appreciated LS for it’s liberal views about allowing the lengthy comments without any cuttings. However, as you have rightly said that I won’t be allowed to write long comments on other ESPN/ Dawn blogs, but at the same time, seeing from the number of bloggers and contributors on these other blogs, they must be having some advantages and benefits for their participants which LS don’t have. On those other blogs no one purposely wrongly spell players names for making fun of them. Please don’t take me wrong here, I stay on LS because I want to but it doesn’t mean that I am here only because I fear that my comments will be edited/ cut on other blogs.

  85. #85 by Mohammed Munir on December 4, 2011 - 12:45 PM

    Khansahab …

    I absolutely agree with your below words:

    Munir sahab

    I will try and respond to as many points as possible. Like you, I also don’t feel that my response will effect any “positive change”. Sometimes reasoning and providing opinions does not work no matter how hard you try. Ultimately people either turn a cold shoulder or turn a blind eye. We have a problem here that, we have come to know each other reasonably well and we like to believe that the other person is biased. If we feel the other person is biased and holds a grudge then we will not want to shun our own pride and ego in order to believe the other person even if we feel their argument might be valid or noteworthy.

    Such situations can happen between family members, friends, countries, everyone- people feel sometimes that it is better just to leave or part ways if there seems to be endless disagreement.

    Now in such a situation where one believes the other is biased, and accepting someone else’s opinion transgresses from what might really be the truth or a better understanding of an issue into, a matter of pride and ego, how do you succeed and change someone’s opinion? You can’t. You can try and prove to the other person that you are sincere, and you can try and prove that you are humble and mean well. You might win over someone in the process but you might not win over others.

    You have summarized the whole discussion/ argument in this one comment.

    Coming back to Misbah, I think you would have, by now, noticed that I never or very rarely attack any individuals, be it cricketers, politicians, or others. Similarly, I also prefer never to unnecessary praise anyone, whom I may personally like, here on LS. I am a person who is not very vocal and doesn’t want to impress or rather impose his thoughts on everyone around him. Have you ever noticed me criticizing Musharraf or even Altaf Hussain ❓ and I also never praise Imran Khan without any reason. Almost all of my comments are in defense of a certain persons who are being criticized or rather bashed, i.e. Misbah or even Imran Khan. Inline with this, even regarding Misbah what I have been trying to say lately was all “defensive” of him, and finally in order to defend him I compared him with other players/ captains like Younis, Afridi, etc.

    I would like to explain my situation in this argument by way of the following example:

    When a Muslim and a Christian argue about their respective Prophets (Mohammed PBUH and Jesus), in such arguments the Christians generally abuse Mohammed and say things against him, whereas Muslims can not say the same abusive things about Christian’s Prophet (Jesus) because Muslims also believe in Jesus. So Muslims are at a disadvantage, because they have to defend Mohammed PBUH without attacking Jesus.

    This is exactly how I feel, because You, JAK & Zen hate Misbah from the bottom of your hearts and you all criticize him for everything, whereas I can only defend him and in his defense I sometime say things against (Afridi, Fawad Alam, Younis, Hammad Azam, etc), but in reality I like all these guys and can never say same things which you guys say about Misbah ie. sometimes calling him names, putting his funny pictures, comparing him with vegetables, etc. etc.

    I am sorry to use this rather religious example, but I don’t mean any thing wrong by this. The only reason I quoted this example is to explain my own situation in this discussion.

    Another point about Misbah is that, I can understand your & JAK’s feelings about him and you both must be having your own reasons for that, nevertheless, what becomes so so obvious is that I do not see even a single word of real appreciation of Misbah on this blog. You will agree that any balanced blog will always try to show a fair view and if some one is so negative he ‘may’ have some, SOME, positives.

    I agree that most of the recent performances may have some other reasons i.e. punishments of 3 fixers, coming back of Afridi, ousting of Waqar, change of management, removal of Ijazz But and etc. etc. but it is utterly unfortunate to note that you/ JAK are not ready to give Misbah even one percent of credit for team’s good performances.

    And you still claim that we are totally balanced, impartial, fair and neutral blog, without an iota of any biasness.

    May be you are right, but this really is beyond me.

  86. #86 by NewGuy on December 4, 2011 - 2:55 PM

    Misbah is one of the top ten run getters in ODI this year. He is at #7 followed by Hafeez at #8.

    Msbah averages nearly 54 with 9 ODI half centuries this year.

    I think the main problem though is that his strike rate is only 70, which means he scores at about 4.11 runs per over. Jonathan Trott another Misbahish batsman considered very high by the English is the top run getter this year, followed by Kohli at #2. Trott while slow strikes at 80 though, which means 4.71 runs per over, this is acceptable as others can accelerate. Kohli by contrast strikes at 86 I think, which should be more than 5 runs per over.

    So, this is a worry, if he improves his strike rate a bit, then he surely is doing a wonderful job. At this point he is doing OK job, he should now look to improve his strike rate.

  87. #87 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 3:02 PM

    Munir sahab

    I have had lengthy discussions with you about Musharraf and you have been critical of him, so please don’t say that you don’t criticise others.

    You have mentioned Altaf Hussein but have I ever praised him? I only remember speaking negatively about him.

    You have your own preferences- if Musharraf or Altaf are being criticised you will not intervene but if Imran Khan is criticised (like he was some time ago) you will definitely intervene. I don’t agree that you are not a vocal person.

    Javed A Khan has said that he felt you were taunting him and I have also felt like this in the past. In return I never taunted you because I prefer not to adopt that kind of style as it is a very personal choice. I can’t remember ever making any personal attacks against you but you have made personal attacks against me. Still, I don’t hold a grudge against you because you are part of the “blog family” and a person will be totally friendless if they start holding grudges. I don’t agree with JAK and Zen and Newguy all the time, but I don’t hold grudges.

    I think once a cricketer has played enough cricket you can’t have mixed feelings about him. You have to either like or dislike him. You assess his strengths and weaknesses and if you feel the strengths outweigh weaknesses, you like him. So, I don’t think you defend Misbah because you feel that people are unfair to him. You defend him because you like him. You might visit other blogs and forums where Musharraf or Altaf will be criticised daily but I doubt you will ever intervene in their defence.

    I don’t understand why you feel so strongly for Misbah when you have admitted he is a mediocre batsman and secondly you have also admitted that he was only selected as captain because there was no other choice. The two points you have admitted indicate weakness and negativity for Misbah rather than his strengths. Therefore just like Newguy I think you feel he is a decent captain and a decent batsman, otherwise you would not have such elaborate discussions with us about Misbah.

    So, why can’t the debate be about what good Misbah and done vs what bad he has done, rather than blame people for having biases and hating Misbah from the bottom of their hearts?

    I am not boasting or bragging, but this blog features some of the most educated bloggers I have come across and generally the more educated you are, the less biased you become. So, I don’t think this blog is “biased”. You are biased if you criticise someone for an invalid or unfair reason. I don’t think our reasons for disliking Misbah are invalid or unfair because of his mediocrity and negativity.

  88. #88 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 3:11 PM

    Newguy

    Apart from the World Cup, these have been the teams Pakistan has played this year:

    New Zealand
    Ireland
    West Indies
    Zimbabwe
    Sri Lanka
    Bangladesh

    Do you realise they have not played a top 4 team this year?

    You mentioned Kohli but look at which teams he has scored against this year apart from the World Cup:

    South Africa
    West Indies
    England

  89. #89 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 3:15 PM

    Newguy

    In the top 30 ODI batsmen of 2011 in terms of runs scored the only batsman who has a lower strike rate than Misbah is Sarwan.

  90. #90 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 3:18 PM

    Newguy

    2011 has been a year of minnows, Ireland, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh along with New Zealand and West Indies got to play a lot of matches against higher ranked teams. This is the only reason you find Misbah, Hafeez and Taufeeq have made lots of runs.

  91. #91 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 3:20 PM

    Newguy

    Munaf Patel is the 5th or 6th highest ODI wicket taker in 2011.

    He has done better as a bowler than Misbah has done as a batsman………..

    Your point being…………….

  92. #92 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 3:27 PM

    Whatmore tops the list of candidates for head coach

    LAHORE: While Pakistan’s current head coach Mohsin Khan is eyeing a permanent job with the team, the name of former Australian Test cricketer Dav Whatmore tops the list of candidates for the coveted post, well-informed sources have told Dawn.

    Former Test pace bowler Aaqib Javed is likely to be appointed as national team’s bowling coach, sources added.

    Three names for the position of fielding coach are also under discussion — Julian Fountain, D. Dunlop (from England) and former South African Test cricketer Jonty Rhodes, a world-class campaigner who set a new benchmark in fielding during his playing days.

    Interestingly, however, no strong applicant has emerged for the position of batting coach yet.

    When contacted, Mohsin, who is in Bangladesh with the national team, said: “PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf met me in the UAE during the Sri Lanka series and praised performance of the players and the team management.

    “My services are available for the PCB but only when I receive any official word [on the appointment regarding head coach] from the board, I will be in a position to make any comment,” Mohsin replied when asked about PCB’s search for head coach besides bowling, batting and fielding coaches for the national squad.

    A PCB committee headed by Intikhab Alam with Zaheer Abbas and Col (r) Naushad Ali, as members, is finalising the names of the coaches.

    Sources said though Mohsin had not forwarded any application to the said committee, Dav Whatmore, 57, remains the top contender in the list of individuals for the post of head coach.

    Though all the aspirants for different coaching vacancies have agreed that they will remain in Pakistan to hone skills of budding players during national squad’s off-season, the details about their financial packages will be decided soon after finalisation of the candidates, sources said.

    Sources further said that as Zaka had given free-hand to the committee to pick the best available coaches, without caring about the cost of packages, the committee was working very carefully in order to hunt for the best pros in the business.

  93. #93 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 3:37 PM

    Don’t expect virgins if women allowed to drive: Saudi clerics

    Allowing women to drive in Saudi Arabia would result in ‘no more virgins,’ Saudi Arabia’s highest religious council has warned, according to a report in Daily Mail. The ‘scientific’ report by the council alleged that relaxing the ban on women drivers, would also see more Saudis, both men and women, turn to homosexuality and pornography. The conclusions were drawn by clerics at the Majlis al-Ifta’ al-A’ala, Saudi Arabia’s religious council, in conjunction with Kamal Subhi, a former professor at the King Fahd University. The scholars, in their report, evaluated the possible impact of repealing the ban in Saudi Arabia, the only country in the world where women are not to drive. According to the account, allowing women to drive would ‘provoke a surge in prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce.’ The scholars claimed that within ten years of lifting the ban, ‘no more virgins’ would be left in the Islamic kingdom. They corroborated their point of ‘moral decline’ by observing that in other Muslim countries where women are allowed to drive the moral decline is already visible. In the report, Professor Subhi, explained by describing his experience at a coffee shop in an unnamed Arab state. “All the women were looking at me,” he wrote. “One made a gesture that made it clear she was available… this is what happens when women are allowed to drive,” he concluded. The report came after Shaima Jastaniya, a 34-year-old Saudi woman, was sentenced to 10 lashes with a whip after being caught driving in Jeddah.

  94. #94 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 3:57 PM

    Sachin Tendulkar might play last two ODIs of West Indies series

    AHMEDABAD: His 100th international century eagerly awaited across the nation, veteran Indian batsman Sachin Tendulkar is likely to play the last two one-dayers against the West Indies.

    Tendulkar, who failed to reach the milestone despite coming close at least twice during the Test series, might be selected for the last two matches of the ongoing ODI series when national selectors meet on Monday.

  95. #95 by NewGuy on December 4, 2011 - 4:24 PM

    KS,

    My point is what I wrote in last sentence:

    So, this is a worry, if he improves his strike rate a bit, then he surely is doing a wonderful job. At this point he is doing OK job, he should now look to improve his strike rate.

    Misbah has got the runs to show, but he is doing it at an 1980’s strike rate. This is a cause of concern which he should look to change. Perhaps get out bit more, a mid 30’s average is not bad in ODI, say 37 or 38, with a strike rate of 80.

  96. #96 by NewGuy on December 4, 2011 - 4:27 PM

    I don’t think Tendulkar will play, but I could be wrong, as he himself is deluded into this fake landmark, he might play in dead rubber to get this? there is no honor in that. I prefer to see him getting it at the MCG on Boxing Day test against Australia, in front of 100,000 crowd. If not, then he can do it at his favorite ground, the SCG, or at Perth, or Adelaide.

    Don’t play against the weak WI side in silly ODI game and get another meaningless 100.

  97. #97 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 4:29 PM

    Lol @ munaf patel vs mesbha

    mediocrite vs mesbhacrite (super dodo)

  98. #98 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 4:32 PM

    Newguy

    it doesnt matter where he gets,whenever he gets it it will be a bang!

    Praise galore!

  99. #99 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2011 - 4:43 PM

    Munir

    First of all you need to understand this point very clearly that there is NO hate against Misbah, Malik, Kamran and the trio in the jail etc. etc. We are here to discuss the game as we see it and as we express our views as we understand it. You also do the same and the only difference is, you change your stance very soon and, in your previous comments you have mentioned many times that, “I cannot support only one player, all the time, therefore I change my views.” Its fine, but it shows you are not serious about cricket and you write for fun? Whereas, we (talking of khansahab, tom and I or, in the past Sagaat and theo etc.) don’t change our views about a player overnight or based on just one or two performances. When we analyze the stats or the performance of a player we are serious. But, we are not serious when we are making fun of Waqar’s commentary or making pun of others.

    Whether you agree or not, we do follow cricket much more in detail than most blogs and bloggers and our analysis are sound, I give a lot of credit to khansahab that he keeps analyzing the stats seriously and metculously (actually being a banker I should have been doing the analysis but, he does better than I ) anyways, so when people have similar views they discuss ‘strengths and weaknesses of those players. And, when we express it and agree with each other and that may appear to you that we are forming a group. tom/zen is just a new blogger and if his views are similar to ours iss may kisi ka kya qasoor hai? He disagrees with me and khansahab on other issues. Whereas, WHEN you enter in a discussion on the blog and you read those comments YOU think kay BECHARAY (Misbah ya Malak) PAR ZIYADATI ho rehi hai and you start defending them like you always do, you support the underdogs. And, you are not just a unique person to do that, there are many people like you who support the underdogs.

    You should not live with this notion in your mind that you are 1:3 or you are JUST ONE against three. Munir, you are a MAN, teen ho ya TEES ho it should not make any difference if you think you are right (not just by posing like Allama Iqbal) but actually think and analyze the stats of any player and compare with others and when you are sure that you are right, present your valid points and STAY PUT. Don’t think there are three or thirty against you. Are you physically fighting with them? You have all the time to read and answer them.

    Instead of coming up with reasoning you ignore the issue but the moment you see someone is saying something similar to what you are saying (this time it was newguy and you started quoting Saad Shafqat, Kamran Abassi’s articles) you suddenly come back and clinged on to that person’s views and use your TUPAK on someone else’s shoulder to shoot. Whereas when you are alone you won’t do it but, simply add winks. I am not saying you should not use icons but, you use like an escapade. One should make the other person understand the spirit in which he is saying, he can make you laugh without adding icons. Khair, icons is not an issue so you can do whatever you want. It was just an observation and I mentioned it. And, you don’t have to take it so seriously that you want the icons to be banned for everyone. The blog is open, you write your comments they are up on the blog, they are no more in a queue for moderation. So, there is freedom of speech.

    Twisting names of the players or important people is different from abusing someone on the blog in person. All that we say or twist names is in jest and don’t tell me that you are a Nake Parveen who never twist the names, on many occasions you have made fun of Zardari’s, Altaf, Musharraf’s names and no one even bothered or questioned you or, asked you why you did? So, why are you mentioning that “on other blogs they don’t make fun of player’s names?” We do it in the spirit of goodwill and anyone can make pun of anyone. George Dubia Bush was called with so many names, Ijaz Butt was called with so many names. So, why does it bother to you when Misbah, Malik, Kamran Akmal’s names are twisted? Didn’t we criticize Afridi Akhroat and Younus Khan, Niswari, Dummy Captain? I don’t want to see YK in the team, especially in the shorter version of the game and I am not saying this now, I have been saying this for 3 years.

    When Afridi withdrew his case and made outside the court settlement with Ijaz Butt, I wrote on this blog, “Afridi lost his respect in my eyes.” And, whenever he does stupid things we admonish him. But, take a deep look inside, he hasn’t done anything like betting, match fixing, back-biting etc. He is emotional, stupid, idiot but a straightforward person. He has hurt is career more than he has hurt the feelings of his fans and supporters.

    I have already answered your questions in the previous thread, perhaps you have missed them.

    When Afridi was captain, the team was announced by the PCB and there was no mention of who the captain will be? Just a day or two before the team’s departure they announced Afridi’s name.

    Afridi’s main phudda with Waqar and Intikhab was they were selecting the playing XI without even discussing with him. Ijaz Butt vowed to break the player power and he said this after his retirement. And, when Hammad Azam was in the squad, Younus Khan was the captain in that WC that PK won. Because of Aamir, Asif he was not finding a place in the playing XI. But, he could have been tried against weaker teams, but they didn’t.

    Therefore, Ahmad Shahzad was not Afridi’s choice but Waqar and Inti’s. Now the situation is different, Mohsin is the new coach and he is still the chief selector in the books of the PCB and this team selection is being done by the coach and the CAPTAIN cool. And, he is giving Malik so many chances that even those who don’t know much about cricket are asking, isko baar baar kion khila rehay hain? He is a gone case, he should not be in the team.

    When Afridi asked the PCB to pardon Malik and allow him to play, at that time Malik wasn’t absent from the international cricket for long and because of the unknown young players who were given in the team, Afridi thought by doing a favour to Malik i.e., by getting him in the team, Malik may feel obliged and will perform. It is not that Malik did not have any talent, he has wasted his talent on negative tactics aur jalan, hasad may murr gaya. Now, he is totally out of form and he needs to play domestic cricket to prove his mettle and to regain his form i.e., if he is serious about playing for the country. But, Kamran Akmal should not be allowed to play for Pakistan at any cost.

  100. #100 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 4, 2011 - 4:46 PM

    LOL @ this news: Don’t expect virgins if women allowed to drive: Saudi clerics

    I will reply to this later.

  101. #101 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 5:25 PM

    I think it would be a fair statement to say that i have more disagreements with ks than agreements. We had extensive discussions on tedulkar, mushaaraf and veena baji (ahem) but we have divergent views. siminlarly, i had some arguments with jk too. so one shouldnt feel that there is some alliance between us. having said that, we agree mostly on mesbha. now that shouldnt upset other bloggers if they deal with this issue in numbers.

    this blog is satirical and most of it is stuff blended with satire to make it funny. cricketers are celebrities and they are praised or criticised. this is universal for celebrities. secondly, to expect all criticsm or praise as fair is irrational. there aint anything like 100% justified criticsm or praise. there is always some degree which is questionable and its a universal thing. As jk says in the blog the rest is all lies…. so to perceive it as serious stuff is not sensible.

    however, in between the material, there are some points which hold validity regarding criticism or praise of a certain player. but to equate it to hatred and then say its never done before aint true. although im new, but IMO butt was the most abused guy on this blog and that poor chap had no supporter.he was shown to be pregnant, i can say he was almost raped but nobody raised an alarm and it was all laugh . everybody relished that and nobody complained about civility.

    so why furore about some cucumbers? this is just to give it an elelment of lightness and comedy otherwise dry, dull and drab stuff looks boring. this is not a text book. if we decorate comments wuth nasty adjectives, that is just too spice up the material as we are not reading some textbook. we are here to relax and enjoy, not to indulge in as professional task

    finally, iam appaled at comparison of this issue with prophets. these cricketers are gamblers, politicians ,greedy, etc.. is it ok to compare zardaris and altafs with Prophet Mohammad (saw) and Hazrat Essa (pbuh). one shouldnt feel so aggrieved to use this as a line of defence to support his view. day before yesterday , I had a semi serious argument with ks about veena apaa (hehe..) I guess it was 2 am in pk when ks finally said ” i think im wasting my time….”. I was working on a project and also chatting with him. i felt bad but I used cloak of punjabi to deflect my resentment. I could have bore a grudge but i ignored it. Diversity is the essence of debate and one must acknowledge that everybody looks at things from a different perspective.

    I dont think in this world there is any 100% impartial, neutral court. So if this blog claims , its more in relevant terms and its true that we are allowed to express ourselves without fear of being moderated or word limit. Here i dont see blogger shooed off if he doesnt say something with which admin agree. so it is neutral and impartial as it allows all to speak without any agenda or preconceived notion.

    PS: ks the incident i narrated was just to illustrate my argument. on my part, there are no hard feelings and for all prctical purposes the body is buried. 😀

  102. #102 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 5:40 PM

    Ks

    I think swann doesnt what odi’s coz his team struggles in them specially in sub continent where they recently lost 5-0.

    this is the only format where they are not world vhamps.( haha….) sorry champs or chimps…

  103. #103 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 6:07 PM

    Zen

    I’ve read your comment and although you have clarified that there are no hard feelings on your part about my “wasting time” remark, I did not even realise that it could be offensive in the slightest degree.

    Man, I think you are chilled out and I just engage in banter with you, it was not meant to sound offensive, or condescending or anything like that. I honestly didn’t mean it in the way it might have come across.

    I know that if people say, “I am trying to explain XYZ to you but I am wasting my time”, it might be interpreted as being rude, but my intention was definitely not how a person might remark something like that.

    I think you are getting my point (or am I wasting my time!) 😉

    It’s cool between us, man.

  104. #104 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 6:13 PM

    Qibla

    yes, ur wasting my/our time coz i said the matter was closed. 😉
    I think what made a little upset was i guess late nite+work.

    O chado ji, koi aur gul karo.

    O veena da peyo (baap) kahenda hae,mein veena nu saza dunga .ise kahendy haen

    meetha meetha hup hup

    kadrwa kadrwa thu thu

  105. #105 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 6:22 PM

    Zen

    I was also thinking that this is the reason why England are particularly keen to get rid of ODI- they are weakest in that format.

  106. #106 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 6:24 PM

    Veena Malak jeri Pakastani kom di gunneygaar ai.

    O mai kenda oon kiss waastey inni nangi photan kichwaadi ai.

    Mulak di izzat waadi teh paisa?

  107. #107 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 6:35 PM

    Ks

    PAISA!

    Mulk da sadar be ae kaenda,tusi gashtee de nal kya kaende ho

    o sada wazer rehman malik kaenda hae te veenda changa nahi kita par phele photo dekha fir faisla kanda

    lo kar lo bat, mazey sab laendey hae.

  108. #108 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 7:30 PM

    O Zena Paee

    Tussi ai dusso menu teh jera Rahman Malak kenda ay photan vekhey da fir dussey ga, teh fir Moulvi ki kerday ain

    Jeray Moulvi kendey teh unna vi photan vekhna ay, khyal sadda ay teh Mouvlion nu vi bahana chahiye photan vekhney da.

    Jeri Nargus teh Saloni waddi soni kudiyan ain teh mai kainda oon moulvi sab jaandey ain.

  109. #109 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 8:31 PM

    makhdum ks

    maulvi to chokrey ki bhi tasveer dewkhta waye, tusi maulvi nu ki samjhte ho

    maulvi te pakiastan nu khana kharab keta hae

    ab dekho, ek hi mulak wich 2 eiden hondi aen

  110. #110 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 8:39 PM

    10dulkar has record for not only most centuries but most 90’s

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/04/straight-talk-the-90s-galore.html

  111. #111 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 8:39 PM

    O Zena Paee

    saddi Uk ach waddi community haigee, ay uthey vi do eidan hondi ai. Uthey vi waddi tadaad ay moulvion di.

    Ay teh wadda shock lagya si mainu jab tussi kaindo o teh moulvi moonday nu vi vekh dey ain.

    waddi afsos di gul ai.

  112. #112 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 8:39 PM

    Inzamam had a a knack of getting out in funny ways:

  113. #113 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 8:46 PM

    KS

    how u rate najam sethi as a journalist?

  114. #114 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 8:47 PM

    Zen

    I haven’t seen Najam a lot but what he was saying in that clip was sensible.

    You said that you would discuss it in the future.

  115. #115 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 8:48 PM

    do you know his views about mqm!

  116. #116 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 8:53 PM

    No man. No idea. I guess if his views were shocking or out of the ordinary I would have known.

  117. #117 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 8:53 PM

    ????

    kahan hae , kidhar gayab hogae?

  118. #118 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 8:55 PM

    well, im on a pc which has no audio. so i cant cvheck the najam link u sent. will u tell me what is in that link/

    if you want to know his views, just do a youtube search . youll find interesting stuff!

  119. #119 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:00 PM

    Zen

    Yaar all he was saying was Musharraf is in touch with Imran and Nawaz and Zardari will not accept Musharraf back in the country.

    I am guessing he is MQM supporter, because he was a Musharraf supporter.

  120. #120 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 9:02 PM

    Well, you have a good instinct. do u agree with that?

    perhaps a little tour might help!

    najam wasnt a mush supporter, he’s a kayyan journlaist

    u understand kayyan, khappadr in punjabi

  121. #121 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:06 PM

    I don’t know what kayyan is.

    I know what “kana” is- like “kana dajjal”.

  122. #122 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 9:06 PM

    He doesnt speak well of MQM!

    calls them pro violence!

  123. #123 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:06 PM

    A little tour of what- Youtube?

  124. #124 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:07 PM

    If you have problems of audio you can plug in earphones.

    They are usually useful.

  125. #125 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:08 PM

    Well most people call them pro violence.

  126. #126 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 9:08 PM

    yes, u tube

    i can send u links but i would send them on base of titles. i dont have audio.

    kaiyan, khappadr, tez, naughty, smart!

  127. #127 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:09 PM

    OK I’ll have a look.

    Yaar get in ear phones…….I tend to use them, they produce good output sound and nearby people can’t hear anything.

  128. #128 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 9:10 PM

    nooooooooooo………………

    this one doesnt have speakers

    the other one has but im not on that machine

    so, what do u say about his views?

  129. #129 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 9:11 PM

    i sometimes sit on this machine but the other has audio so we never bother about this one.

    just type najam sewthi and mqm

  130. #130 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:11 PM

    I can’t listen to him now bhai- I am in the middle of something.

    You need to plug the in ear phone in your base unit, it has nothing to do with speakers. Soundcard toh hai na PC mai!

  131. #131 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:13 PM

    I saw a couple of clips without audio, yeah he is exposing them as a violent party.

  132. #132 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 9:13 PM

    qibla

    i dont know configuration of this machine….

    i heard his views few months ago so i fully know

    iam sharing with you, still if you insist i post you one now?

  133. #133 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 9:14 PM

    yes sir, aha even u dont have audio

    anyway, if u just read the comments and watch the video thats enough for a karachite like u to make sense!

  134. #134 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:16 PM

    I’ve seen the clips and read some viewer comments. Yeah I get the gist of what he is probably saying.

  135. #135 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:19 PM

    Zen

    MQM are known thugs, but they are not the only ones.

    In KHI everyone has militant wings and thugs.

    Look at how much damage Baloch separatists have done in Balochistan and how much damage Pashtun Taliban and like minded groups have done in KP, but they are considered differently.

  136. #136 by Zen on December 4, 2011 - 9:20 PM

    okie

    well talk about it later

    khocha ab hum ja raha hae

    manaa tum khyal rakhna, naswaar dabbaa ke khaanaa!

    aur veenda ka bhai miley to usko bolnaa ke apna photo moto dye

    now thats gayish!

    no deano, there are lots of them

  137. #137 by Sentinel Prime on December 4, 2011 - 9:30 PM

    Veena is Batman.

  138. #138 by Sentinel Prime on December 5, 2011 - 12:54 PM

    Last 7 overs have produced 93 runs in the India West Indies game. This must be closed to a record if it already isn’t one.

    At the risk of Misbah bashing, this is one criticism of Pakistan that not only are they starting slow, they also finish slow. They have lost that hitting ability they were once known for. Afridi cannot do it consistently for them and the middle order and lower middle order need to chip in.

  139. #139 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 1:01 PM

    Qibla

    iam not appeasing anyone but i feel criticsm of mesbha pains his fans. So i think i better slash it a notch.

    90 runs in 7 ovrs. No sir record is off ross taylor whn he smashed 90 runs in wc against…? Who was it

  140. #140 by Sentinel Prime on December 5, 2011 - 1:03 PM

    Hmmm

    The Akmal brigade?

  141. #141 by Sentinel Prime on December 5, 2011 - 1:07 PM

    Sehwag gone first ball, will India lose this match?

  142. #142 by Sentinel Prime on December 5, 2011 - 1:12 PM

    India’s two best batsmen on their way.

    Once again onus will be on Kohli and Sharma to rescue them.

    Will SRT play in the next two matches? He might be drafted in if India lose this match, wonder if he will be replacing Gambhir?

  143. #143 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 1:14 PM

    Yesss…
    There is the milk-and its useful

    yup,90 in 4 ovrs against pk

  144. #144 by Sentinel Prime on December 5, 2011 - 1:44 PM

    India 3 down but still going at 5 runs per over.

    Learn something Pakistan!

  145. #145 by NewGuy on December 5, 2011 - 1:46 PM

    India play like minnows in this series against WI. Tail enders in both matches racking up runs in the final overs. It remains to be seen captaincy has anything to do with it.

    Sehwag is a poor captain, it is already proven in matches he has captained even before this series. Both him and Gambhir is out of form, this is a big worry for the tour of Australia.

    How can Rohit win all matches on his own? Now Kohli also gone, WI are favorites to win. Three times Rohit cannot win match for sure. Raina also has contributed nothing this series, and he is fighting for place with Rohit and Kohli when Dhoni and Yuvraj comes back.

    If India lose, Tendulkar should replace Patel ideally in next game, but India has no keeper, so it will have to be Gambhir who sits out.

    It is the irony that Tendulkar can still walk into the team and still possibly make 50 runs without too much trouble. Shows the gulf between him and the average player.

  146. #146 by NewGuy on December 5, 2011 - 1:49 PM

    KS,

    India never had problem recently in run rates in any games, every batsman can clear the ropes and score at fast rate. It is the wickets, and playing poor shots that is a worry. But there is no stability in the absence of Dhoni at the lower order if wickets fall at top.

  147. #147 by Sentinel Prime on December 5, 2011 - 1:54 PM

    Newguy

    I agree.

    In the WC 2011, I remember a day before the Pakistan and India Semi Final, some experts were discussing the match. I remember Nick Knight pointed this difference out and said that, the average strike rate for an Indian batsmen is 80+ whereas the average strike rate for Pakistanis was something in the region of 65. He said that, if India are batting second, even if Afridi and co take quick wickets India will still score quickly and this might result in victory for them.

    This attacking approach has definitely helped them because they rarely score less than 250 in an ODI. So at least they have this cornered that irrespective of the opposition they will score 250 and therefore the focus has shifted on the bowlers to deliver.

    It is a huge relief if you have batsmen who can guarantee that kind of total.

  148. #148 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 2:15 PM

    Ks

    thats correct. Infact this theory also holds merit for tests. It was observed that aussies used to score at 4 /ovr when they were dominant in tests. That helped them in winning many matches.

  149. #149 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 2:20 PM

    Woh!

    Imdia 90/5-cat amongst the pigeons

    once again rokit 2 the resque

  150. #150 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2011 - 3:04 PM

    The only player who is very consistent is Rohit Sharma, and he is proving this in this series because they cannot drop him due to big names and most favoured players. He was sacrificed for Raina and then for Kohli, off and on it was Yousuf Pathan and not to mention Dhoni’s blue eyed boy Ravindra Jadeja. This was an injustice to Rohit Sharma, he has played many crucial innings for India and even in the IPL too but, for some reason he was not selected. He has the ability to rotate the strike and also hit big and his strike rate is good.

    Our 30 maar khan niazi or mistime, mismar, miswin, misdraw khan should learn from these boys!

  151. #151 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2011 - 3:11 PM

    In this match even Sammy Sosa has made a home run, its a shame that PK tail-enders surrender like a wuss and there is no counter attack in the end. Gone are the days of Abdul Razzaq and Afridi posing threat to the opposition, once in blue moon they play an innings. It is the openers and the middle order they need to perform, the big hitting is always a bonus in the end and they do it only when there is a decent score made by the other batsmen.

    Wow, Rohit has scored yet another 50 and this is his 6th against the West Indies. What else do you want? It will be very unfair if they drop him or ignore him in Australia and still persist with Jadeja, Raina. Indian openers are totally out of form and I wonder what they will do on the fast pitches in Australia especially with that new bowler, James Pattinson who took 5 wkts. on debut would be waiting for Indian batsmen, especially for Tendulkar. Because, its a dream for every young player especially a bowler to bowl against the little master.

  152. #152 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2011 - 3:13 PM

    khansahab

    did you notice that Rohit Sharma by his own standards is playing slow in this innings, still his strike rate is 78 when he has reached 52, it is twice as good as Misah’s strike rate of 34 when he scored 50 not out.

    Rohit Sharma’s strike rate is going up, it is in 80’s now.

  153. #153 by Ali Ahad on December 5, 2011 - 3:57 PM

    I know it’s to early to say but it looks like that Rohit is doing what Beavan and Hussey used to do. He has helped India in all the three matches. Has he played before or is he a newcomer

  154. #154 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 4:17 PM

    yes ali ahad you have given the rite analogy; even i felt the same about him!

  155. #155 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 4:18 PM

    chchch…..

    i just saw the scotre, rohit runout. thats terrible!

  156. #156 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 4:23 PM

    a surrogate child for aamir khan and kiran

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=27977

  157. #157 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 4:26 PM

    aah.. damn

    india lost. after rohit’s heroics, they deservd to win

    anyway, well played WI

    good contest!

  158. #158 by Sentinel Prime on December 5, 2011 - 4:27 PM

    A victory is a victory but one must applaud India’s youngsters for their aggressive approach in chasing this.

    They kept the run rate over 5 for almost the entire match and at the end it was only a 16 run margin.

  159. #159 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 4:29 PM

    KS

    how would mesbha approached this chase?

  160. #160 by Sentinel Prime on December 5, 2011 - 4:48 PM

    LOL

    I think Misbah would be on something like 30 from 100 balls and then he would hit 2 sixes and get out on 42 which would not affect his average much.

    Pakistan score would be in the region of 150-200.

  161. #161 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 6:42 PM

    Guys

    big bomb blast in karachi

    watch news

  162. #162 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2011 - 6:59 PM

    On Geo tv it says Gas: cylinder exploded in Lines area near Shahra e Faisal: No more details, that is what appears on the internet news, I don’t have TV. I better call Karachi now to find out if all is well?

  163. #163 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2011 - 7:11 PM

    Rohit did not make 100 but, had he stayed there he may have taken India home. Records are not important for a player like him because he played selflessly look at his strike rate which is 95, he was playing sensibly and unlucky to get run out. Bravo Rohit, you are THE man.

  164. #164 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 5, 2011 - 7:14 PM

    All cell phones and landlines at the moment are not working or may be too busy in Karachi. Too bad I need to call again. If your near and dear are living in that city and you hear about a bomb blast, you are always worried about them till you find out about their welfare.

    Zen if you find out where exactly on Shahra-e-Faisal and no. of casualties pls. do mention it here. Thanks.

  165. #165 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 7:35 PM

    Its confusing

    either bomb blast or gas cylinder

    thankgod
    litl casualties

  166. #166 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 8:16 PM

    Well, news says gas blast but acc to some of my friends who live close to the site say its unclear. There was a very loud noise and a procession was to pass the site 5 min after blast. So luckly no major casualty.

    Area is cordoned off by police and rangers.

  167. #167 by Zen on December 5, 2011 - 9:20 PM

    well it is official now

    it was a bomb blast

    http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=39816&CID=1

  168. #168 by NewGuy on December 6, 2011 - 3:42 AM

    Irfan Pathan has been selected to play in the last two ODIs India play against WI

    Cricinfo reports that he said this:

    “The dream to play for the country has always been there. When it is fulfilled you feel nothing gets better than this. Having all the luxuries in life – having a big car, big house – nothing comes close to this.”

    I am reporting it here since we have discussed Irfan Pathan and his disappearance from the national team before. He has been performing well of late in domestic cricket reportedly, having taken 21 wickets from 3 matches this season in Ranji trophy.

    Hope he gets to play the next two ODI instead of carrying water and a ticket to the tri-series in Australia early next year with Aus, Ind, and SL.

  169. #169 by NewGuy on December 6, 2011 - 3:47 AM

    Rohit Sharma has done really well for the team and for himself. This is a good sign. The reason he was in and out of team was his lack of able to convert starts into big scores. At one time he got a series of opportunities, and he did grab it with both hands. However, now he has realized he needs to get back into team with strong performance and he is doing it. Hope he can keep it up. He is a very capable batsman with all the strokes and time to play them, only his attitude in past was a problem.

    Raina on the other hand is looking a bit dull, nonetheless he played very important role in WC QF and Semi. Top four batsman are not firing for India. Sehwag, Gambhir, Raina, and Parthiv Patel have not contributed anything significant. They have to come good in next two ODIs and stamp authority in this WI team, like they did against England. Enough fooling around with Sammy and co.

  170. #170 by NewGuy on December 6, 2011 - 3:52 AM

    This guy Rohit is a good batman, he make a room outside the off stump, butta the bowler sometimes not giving him a room, he is now a keep in the team.

  171. #171 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 6:36 AM

    Thanks zen

    I was able to get hold of my folks on line and the exp. was too far from their place, in fact they didn’t even hear it. So all is well.

  172. #172 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 6:39 AM

    NewGuy

    Yes, I have also read the news about Irfan Pathan before reading your comment and let us see how he fares in the next ODI he plays. I dunno if you remember the final of the first T20 against PK, it was Rohit and Irfan who contributed 40- 50 runs in the last 4 overs and that made the difference. As far as I remember Rohit has always been performing well but, he was dropped for no reason because, he is a quiet type of guy doesn’t show too much emotions, he lets his bat talk rather than himself. And, I have always appreciated his calmness…… the main reason is his strike rate which he keeps on increasing slowly and gradually and he also plays big shots.

  173. #173 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 7:06 AM

    Pakistan aims to whitewash the series:

    All Pakistani players have dumped their cricketing gears. such as bats, pads, gloves, helmets etc., into garbage skips and bought new paint rollers and extension poles, also they are carrying buckest and drums load of white latex paint. The aim is to paint the Chittagong cricket ground white, so that they can see the Bangladeshi players and the spectators (who are invisible in the stands) more clearly and whitewash them to create a cooling effect.

    Upon asking the Pakistani Captain Miss Whitewash ul Haq, is this a new innovation in cricket i.e., to stay cool and whitewash the ground? He said, aNO, in Pakistan especially in the cantonment area where his family lives in Mianwali their motto is to “whitewash everything that is stationary and salute everything that is moving.” Those who may have lived or been to the army compunds or cantonment areas, the gate, the walls, the pavements and even the tree trunks are whitewashed………. because they are not moving. And any one who passes or crosses each other, salutes each other ….. i.e., anything that moves needs a salute.

    He said: Therefore, we are only following the footsteps of our ancestors and our Hero Gen. Tiger Khan Paper Niazi, who thumped on his chest to answer a question, “Will you surrender?” He said, “Over My Dead Body.” and not only him, he made 90,000 soldiers surrender like Khanees and Khusray!

  174. #174 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 7:19 AM

    Toss: Pakistan win and choose to bat. Their XI does not include Sarfraz, Khalil, Farhat and Cheema are not playing today

    Pakistan team: Mohammad Hafeez, Asad Shafiq, Younis Khan, Misbah-ul-Haq*, Umar Akmal†, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi, Abdur Rehman, Sohail Tanvir, Umar Gul, Saeed Ajmal

    Don’t leave home without it AMEX
    Don’t play any game without Sania, Missy Bah.

  175. #175 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 7:36 AM

    First over, fourth ball Professor Hafeez gone on a DUCK.
    Reportedly it is the slowness of the pitch, the ball is not rising well……… reportedly rising in slow motion as if it has been thrown by The Bionic Woman.

    Why is Sania not sent at number 3? During Inzi days, he used to say, I can open, I can go down, I can lay low, I can play up, I can play down, wherever my captain wants me to play, I play. So, now what? Why is the laughing cow La Vache qui rit is out there at number 3?

  176. #176 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 7:47 AM

    Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

  177. #177 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2011 - 8:03 AM

    Wow … match started and JAK already seems in some good mood.

    BTW, if ‘good’ is pronounced as ‘gud’ then why is ‘mood’ not pronounced as ‘mud’ ❓

  178. #178 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 8:04 AM

    Another low intensity bomb blast near defence.

    2 injured!

  179. #179 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2011 - 8:25 AM

    Pakistan are 40 for 3 in 12 overs … 😦

    As it happens so often, Pakistani top-order batsmen failed and once again “Misbha” comes in with added responsibility to support the batting order and provide some stability and solidarity to the team. 😉

  180. #180 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2011 - 8:44 AM

    This is from Cricinfo …

    Ali is exasperated. “Could someone please tell Ramiz Raja to keep his criticism of U Akmal to himself? I am tired of all this criticism he gets because he ‘doesnt play to the situation’. The reason he’s in the team is because he plays the ways he does. Its his natural game!!”

    I am not following the live commentry, but it seems like Raja is criticising UK a lot these days. 😉

  181. #181 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2011 - 9:13 AM

    Toss …

    Out of the four games (1 T20 and 3 ODIs) so far in Bangladesh, Misbah have won toss in three out of those.

    This forms 75% toss winning rate for Misbah in this series.

    Hope his critics will have one less reason to worry. 😉

  182. #182 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 10:05 AM

    Muhq doesnt provide stability

    he’s a liability

    he doesnt have ability to score quickly; that is his disability

    47 off 90 balls
    adds presur to rest of batsmen

    and whn othr perform wth bat and ball he goes on the rostrum as a warrior to babble out his BS

    absolute trash!

    And wtf malak is doing;ballet dance

  183. #183 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 11:21 AM

    Breaking news

    imran khan has asked veena malik to join PTI
    Bakaoz
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    VEENA HAS DISCLOSED ALL HER ASSETS 😛

  184. #184 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2011 - 12:03 PM

    I think if it not because of Misbah’s batting, this Pakistani team will not even play full quota of their allotted 50 overs in a single ODI.

    Except for Misbah, Umar Akmal and Younis Khan, not a single player could reach double figures.

    Shame on them all.

  185. #185 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 12:09 PM

    Why shame on afridi?

    Is he supposed to play well in every match.

    Just getting double figures aint enough.

    Muhq played so sedately,if this was the game plan he should have batted till the end.

    If u play slow,then u shouldnt get out.

  186. #186 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2011 - 12:43 PM

    Khansahab …

    Referring your comment no. 87 …

    My criticism of Musharraf invariably came only as a ‘reaction’ to your criticizing of Imran, and as I have tried to explain that rather then being defensive of Imran I also started attacking Musharraf. But what is important is that I never ‘attack’ anyone without any reason or without being provoked, I try not to initiate the criticism. Yes, you are right I would not like to go on defending Musharraf or Altaf on other blogs, because I don’t do that even for Imran. There are thousands of blogs with millions of bloggers, I can not stop them saying whatever they feel like saying against Imran, Misbah or anyone else. I intervened only when Imran is criticized here on LS, and that too if I thought something incorrect was said about him, same goes for Misbah. Neither Imran nor Misbah are perfect and just like all others they too have their own flaws, but unnecessary criticism of only selected few is what is unacceptable and objectionable.

    JAK have mentioned that here on LS we are criticizing Misbah for several years, now you tell me, in the past few years how often have you seen me coming out in defense of Misbah and how strongly ❓ I damn care about Misbah and I rarely said anything in his favour, except for this recent discussions. The simple reason for me to support Misbah this time was that team is showing obvious signs of improvements and so is his personal performance. I don’t remember when was the last time that I was vocal favouring Misbah, let alone supporting someone else.

    JAK is right in saying that I support the underdogs, because I remember myself supporting even Afridi when he was removed from the team by Butt and I criticized Butt for that because I felt injustice was done to Afridi. I also remember that once JAK criticized Afridi for either IPL or ball-biting incident and I even had an argument with JAK in support of Afridi.

    Coming back to Misbah, on one hand you are telling me and I quote, I don’t understand why you feel so strongly for Misbah when you have admitted he is a mediocre batsman and secondly you have also admitted that he was only selected as captain because there was no other choice. The two points you have admitted indicate weakness and negativity for Misbah rather than his strengths. while on the other hand you are saying that, So, I don’t think you defend Misbah because you feel that people are unfair to him. You defend him because you like him.

    Well, how contradicting is that ❓

    Because if you like someone, you don’t go out and admit and publish their weaknesses and it proves how much I “like” Misbah. Secondly, as I said before, I have never supported Misbah from day one; rather I changed my opinion about him only recently specially after seeing some positives, not after seeing only one or two performances and surely not overnight. BTW, I don’t agree with your notion that we can not have mixed-feelings about some senior players. I think that no matter how much cricket a player has played there are always some strengths and weaknesses in everyone one of them. No one is a born devil and remains that way for ever, and similarly no one is without any weaknesses. Even if Lara/ Sachin can have weaknesses and flaws, how can you say that we can not have mixed feelings about certain players ❓

    About my so-called ‘taunting’ of JAK, well I think we both do that to each other once in a while. See what happens is that when we are communicating with someone for long a time, we starting imitating their style or talking to them in their own language. For example, if JAK meets an English friend in Canada he will speak to him in English while if he meets a French acquaintance chances are he will speak to him in French, whereas if he meets a Pakistani friend he will speak to him in Urdu. Similarly, when I communicate with JAK, I tend to use some comical/ humorous comments, which is also true from his side. Now ours being a purely written communication, there are chances that some of these expressions will not come out as intended, but that doesn’t mean any malice intention on either party. How often do you find me complaining about such trivial issues ❓

    JAK is unique in using these English/ Urdu and also French mixed-words and even on PakSpin so many peoples liked his style and then later every Tom, Dick, & Harry started imitating JAK by using these mix-words and hoping to be funny.

    Finally, coming back to LS and I think I have stated this umpteen numbers of times that LS is the most liberal blog and I like the atmosphere here. If it was not so, nothing could have stopped me from leaving it. If I held any grudged, even then I would have left long time back, so it is not only you but I also don’t hold any grudges against any one.

  187. #187 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 12:48 PM

    Bangla cruising rite now

    there seem to be no demons in the pitch.hence no excuse for poor batting from pk.

  188. #188 by Mohammed Munir on December 6, 2011 - 12:52 PM

    Javed Khan …

    Referring your comment no. 99 …

    I think I am not able to express myself properly with regards to Misbah and his (some/ few) qualities that he ‘may’ have. Let me try to give you a few examples in this regards.

    You used to like Afridi’s game and captaincy and then he had gone through that ball-biting incident or his IPL comments, during which time you also changed your opinion about Afridi overnight based on just one incident, but then you have forgiven him slowly (which is very good thing) and today you (and even I) like him. So we both changed our opinions over time, from good to bad to good again, … right ❓

    I also remember we all criticized Afridi for his pitch-scuffing drama, his raising bat on some spectator (for which he was banned by ICC and couldn’t play in important WC game against Ireland), we also criticized him for requesting Ijazz Butt to include Malik in WC team (at least we initially did), and may be other incidents. But the best part is that we all never held-on to our opinions and forgave and forgot about Afridi’s mistakes.

    Accordingly, KS likes Waqar Younis as a bowler but at the same time he is critical of his English commentary, which goes to prove that KS likes some of Waqar Younis’s qualities while he dislike some others (which present both, good & bad, views).

    Similarly, you accept that Wasim was a good bowler and his nickname (Sultan of Swing) was rightly given to him because he was one the best swing bowlers, this again is good quality of Wasim which you rightly acknowledge, nevertheless, you (like many others) certainly don’t like his character because he is a cheat and was involved in fixing games. So again, Wasim simultaneously have both the good and bad characteristics.

    The only reasons of what I have said so far is that ( 1 ) no matter how many hundreds of problems and flaws that Misbah is having, he must be having a few positive qualities, which should not be completely ignored, and ( 2 ), over time of several years we should try and be able to ‘forgive & forget’ about Misbah’s mistakes, unless we believe that Misbah have committed the utterly unforgivable mistakes/ crimes.

    I agree that Shahid Afridi is a straightforward guy and he surely is not involved in betting or match-fixing, but so is Misbah who is also not involved in any kind of betting or match-fixing issues, so far. Whereas I think both of them, Misbah as well as Afridi, were part of the group which revolted against Younis’s captaincy.

    About my quoting Dr. Saad Shafqat and Dr. Kamran Abbasi, the reason was simple, that you as well as most of the cricket fans respect them. So if they are saying something, it must be valid and creditworthy. Secondly, they are both professional writers not just part-timers or (Shauqia) writers like all of us here on LS, which shows that if they were praising and appreciating Misbah, then it must be for a good reason. Moreover, I remember LS once ran a thread recommending Dr. Kamran Abbasi’s name for the post of PCB Chairman which proves the standing of the guy. This is why I mentioned their names. Whereas I mentioned the name of NewGuy because of him being an outsider (neutral) who is purely impartial on this subject, but since you replied to his ‘neutral’ status, so I accept your points and I don’t want another lesson on this “Neutrality” issue.

    I am sorry but I don’t agree to your point that Ahmed Shahzad was Waqar or Intikhab’s choice and not Afridi’s, IMO, he was purely Afridi’s preference and Afridi kept giving him so many chances in WC in spite of failures. BTW, I am sure you must be knowing that Ahmed Shahzad is also playing in the same domestic team as Afridi, Habib Bank Limited.

    About criticizing Younis and Afridi, I never said that you are not criticizing them or that you are taking sides with them, but what’s so obvious is that the ratio of criticizing comments against Afridi to Misbah must be something like 1 to 1 thousand, if not more. We rarely see anything said against them, while I fail to see any single thread where we don’t find hundreds of comments criticizing poor Misbah.

    One thing I don’t understand is that why are Misbah and Malik considered as one person ❓ I have tried to give major differences between the two in one of my earlier comments, but it seems for all practical purposes Misbah and Malik are taken as twins. It is unfair to say the least that Misbah is unnecessarily blamed and held fully responsible for any of Malik’s problems. If Malik is back in the team, it is not Misbah’s fault, because Misbah is too weak to stop these guys from getting back in the team, and trust me if Afridi can be a weak captain not to resist these guys, then Misbah is definitely weaker then Afridi as a Captain.

  189. #189 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 1:19 PM

    Aman ks

    kahan gaey hue hain?
    Kya muharam mein blogging se wagfa lete hain

  190. #190 by Ali Ahad on December 6, 2011 - 2:14 PM

    Will this clean sweep going to improve the current ratings for Pakistan even though bengalis are a weak team

  191. #191 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 2:20 PM

    Chalo ji, masba khush hoga ke malak ne 3 wkt le li aur usko khelaney ki excuse mil gae.

  192. #192 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 4:02 PM

    Haan jee, Choona bhee lagaya, aur maasi ki terha clean sweep bhi kiya aur Malak saab ka Unda bhee half fry kiya, aur unko teen wicketain bhee mill gayee, seat pukki ho gayee. He is going to join Tehrik e Insaaf Party.

    Munir,

    That twin brother theory is the creation of your mind, no one on the blog every said that. And taking the names of two players together is not a new thing in cricket, Wasim and Waqar, Anwer and Sohai, Greenidge and Haines, Tendulkar and Ganguli, earlier it was Kambli and Tendulkar, Sehwag and Gambhir etc. etc. Unfortunately your M&M’s are not remembered in that context, others were performers and they achieved something but M&M are like “Tu Mera Raag Mai Teri Raagni.” I don’t see any justifcation in Malak’s selection.

    Besides, this so-called WINNING TEAM is like a Bubble, which is going to burst sooner than later, there is no consistency in their batting or bowling. They have just won against Minnows and a pathetic Sri Lankan team which is suffering from PMS. So, the euphoria of whitewash will soon be washed away and the dark clouds will be hovering above their heads once again.

    From now, they must remove the following players from the ODI and T20

    1. Younus Khan
    2. Shaoib Malik
    3. Misbah
    4. Asad Shafiq
    5. Sarfaraz Ahmad.
    6. NO MORE, Imran Farhat in any format.

    There are a few good youngsters besides the youngsta beauty like, Fawad Alam, Hammad Azam and a few more which khansahab can add the names because he follows domestic cricket. Pakistan needs attacking playes and with a positive frame of mind. Winning against the minnows and showing contentment is nothing but achieving a sense of complacency.

  193. #193 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 4:21 PM

    I think after today’s performance i feel england would give tough fight to pakistan.

    If mebha thinks mediocrites like malak will fire against england, he’s under some illusion.

    But rite now toast of success rules the roost and i must say he’s very lucky.

    Now the test matches and mesbha must be licking his lips as he has a good chance of scoring slowest test 100.

  194. #194 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 5:07 PM

    Munir

    Yar barree simpull si baat tumhari samajh may nahee aa rehi hai ya tum khoa ma kha hudd dharmi may ….baqaol tumharay hum ko tung ker rehay ho……???

    Liking a cricket player’s game is a different thing than liking him as a cricket personality. We have always said that Wasim and Waqar were great bowlers but, they took advantage of the situation and got involved in drugs, smoking, drinking betting, match fixing and proved “umpteenth” number of times that their character is very dubious and their loyalties for Pakistan are next to nothing, they only give a lip service whereas their aim in life is to make money by hook or by crook and get famous.

    We are no judge of anyone’s character but, it is the court of law that has announced and passed a verdict. Justice Qayyum said if Wasim was not enjoying this celebrity status I would have jailed him. Now, the trio is facing jail sentence in London, we have been saying this about Salman Butt, Asif, Aamir Kamran Akmal and Rana Naveed since a long time that their dealings and the way they are playing is very sinister. Whether you agree avec nous or not it is up to you but, finally we were right and the world has accepted that these players are corrupt and they deserved punishment. They are like a cancer in the body, amputation is the only solution to save the body. I would hate to see Aamir or anyone of them after being released from jail, is once again included in the team. That will be the most shameful day in the history of cricket and for Pakistan, much worst than anything sofar Ijaz Butt has done.

    You admit that we have been criticizing Misbbah for about 3 years? If you do the same for someone then do you expect him to be promoted? How do you feel then? Must be a great feeling right that the person who is negative and selfish is being rewarded and promoted! And, Munir the criticism always increases when you are in the limelight because you are in focus and like they say you are under the micrscope. And, just because the team is winning against the minnows, which is not a bench mark or a stamp of authority or, from ISO 9001 that this product is of the highest quality.

    To make a point you are using highly exaggerated numbers……. 1:1000 for Afridi against Misbah, come on please be realistic. When Afridi disappoints or commits a faux pas, we are the first one to criticize him, but it seems like you remember only what you want to remember. Afridi is NOT only under the microscope of the PCB but, the whole of the ICC and other cricket playing nations, because he is a threat to all other teams because of his all-round performance and owing to that they are watching his every move, every sneeze. And, they know Misbah is 38 years old and a tuk tuk player and he will retire soon, max after the WC. So no one in the ICC or other countries are bothered about him. Currently those who are singing Christmas Carols for Misbah have nothing better in their life to do. BAKAOZ, they have to write, THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS, THEY ARE PAID.

    If we have nominated KA for the Chairmanship of the PCB, I am sorry to say that you did not get the satire, it was all a matter of pun to get rid of Ijaz Butt. Secondly, when you talk about PakSpin, how many times did I agree with him? I have always disagreed with him and that is why his fans attacked me like a swamp of bees. And, with Saad Shafqat, I have respect for him but I have disagreed with him on these previous two articles and you have read that as well, still you don’t mention about it and trying to hammer a nail on my head. Big names say kya hota yaar? Do you think they are always right? I can always find keeray (not Kheeray) in someone else comments, articles, reports whatever. It is very easy to do that by adding a teep ka bandh …….. this is my opinion. But, I won’t say I am always right.

    One of my Hindu colleagues an auditor in our bank, for some reason (may be he didn’t like my face) he always hated me, whereas I tried many times to keep my relations good with him at professional level but he was always very rude, grumpy and angry and he never respected me or most manager of my department and he thought that being an auditor his job was to find mistakes and he was very proud that he can always find mistakes and, in one of the senior management meetings, he took out a file and blasted at me that there are so many irregularities and inconsistencies in the modus operendi and even the regional manager (that is me) has neglected such serious issues which could be dangerous for the bank.

    I asked him, are you sure that whatever you have read from that file is correct? He said, ABSOLUTELY AND “I am always right.” I said, “This is where you are wrong, because it is only God who is always right.” So, don’t use this sengtence again. Because, the cases you have mentioned from the file, do not belong to my department, the customer names you have mentioned are not from my department. My guess is you have got a wrong file and you are trying to ridicule me in front of my MD, CEO etc., So, the CEO asked for the file and upon checking it was proved that he had brought some other files from one of the Main Branches and was reading their customer report and he was unleashing his venom against me.

    I was so pissed off that in front of everyone, I said, Mr. Auditor before you spout off like YOU’RE the expert, maybe you should actually take yourself a little less seriously and yank the stick out of your butt. You should also remember you should never hold yourself so high you can’t see the place you’re standing anymore. And, people are right when they say: “Once an auditor, always an auditor.”

    So Muneer my advise to you is don’t support your views blindly by clinging-on to someone else views assuming that they are big names hence they are always right. Do yourself some research and then come up and say these are my analysis instead of saying so and so is a big name and they also said, Misbah tusi grate ho. I don’t give a tosh to them if they are writing something just for the heck of it.

    And read tom’s comment in which he responded to you by directing your attention towards the first paragraph…… “this is the truth………… and everything else is lies……… its elementary my Dear Munir and its called satire. Don’t take it seriously and get worked up and in the end you chipkao smiley icons!

  195. #195 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 8:44 PM

    Ye lo jee, cool cucumber, cool captain, tay cool & cool series V …. zera A waikho:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-pakistan-2011/content/image/544031.html?object=538071;page=1

    Btw, Malaika Sania nay 3 wickets to lee hain but all tailenders and bowlers. Is it a co-incidence or a planning to give him the bowling in the end?

  196. #196 by Sentinel Prime on December 6, 2011 - 8:45 PM

    Qibla

    Idhar hi haen bhaiyya

    Do din hum ney raks karney mai lagaye hain

    Dev Anand saahib ki wafaat key baad Manna Dey saahib ki yaad aagai aur khoob hum ney raks kiya

    Iss key ilawa apni nayi kitaab, “Lucknow: Ek Anokhi Tehzeeb” key izzat mai chund ashaar likhey

    Aap sunaiye Qibla shair o shayari aur urdu adab ko aap ney kitna sarraha guzishta dinon mai?

  197. #197 by Sentinel Prime on December 6, 2011 - 8:50 PM

    Dear all,

    I am disgusted watching Pakistan play negative cricket and also disgusted at this spineless and pathetic Bangladesh team.

  198. #198 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 9:04 PM

    ZARDARI ARRIVES IN DUBAI FOR AN EXTENSIVE MEDICAL CHECK UP

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/07/president-zardari-arrives-in-dubai.html

    WILL THAT BE TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE STILL HAS DEMENTIA?
    AND, IS HE STILL SUFFERING FROM ALZHEIMER’S DISEASE?

    To determine whether he STILL has Dimentia or Alzheimer’s disease doctors are going to perform COLONSCOPY TEST.

    It so happened that Zardari went to a Sain Baba for his Horoscopy, baba said, you better get colonscopy first. Bakaoz your Butt is so clumpy, bumpy and dumpy. Upon hearing this Zardari became very grumpy. Baba said, grumpy shrumpy honay say kaam nai chalta thullay pipe lagao tay suckopy ker wao aur wo bee Butt dee microscopy hore agar company dee zaroorat aye gee tou Babar Noo Chadd kay Ijaz Butt noo naal lay jao una noo wada Xprince haiga. Lets see how much piles comes out and how many tons of Angro-Urea can be produced and exported to Pakastan from Dubai. There is a fight going on between Rahman Malak and Yousaf Gillani over the sole distribution rights.

  199. #199 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 6, 2011 - 9:07 PM

    Dev Anand murr gaya? How sad. The hero of HAI APNA DIL TO AWARA…. WHEN DID HE DIE? I didn’t see the news.

    Ps

    I have just read the news after khansahab announced his death. He was known as a chocolate hero.

  200. #200 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 9:15 PM

    Qibla

    hum to samjhe ap sham e ghareban mein masruf hongey.

    3-0 mubarak!

    Amaan hamari urdu!

    Kya piddi kya piddi ka shorba

  201. #201 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 9:18 PM

    Mamla ye hae ke zardari ke tour par sargoshyan ho rahi hain

    parliament ko mukhatib karna tha magr bhaag lye

    lagta hae khel khatm horaha hae.

  202. #202 by Sentinel Prime on December 6, 2011 - 9:19 PM

    Zen

    When was the last time a team played so poorly vs Bangladesh?

    I can’t remember a top 5 team playing so badly vs Bangla in any series.

  203. #203 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 9:21 PM

    Mishap ul haque is waqt chand par hongey.

    Ks aap ki bezari apni jaga magr mishap ke fans bohot khush hain.

  204. #204 by Zen on December 6, 2011 - 9:24 PM

    I dont know

    butta ur a banging ur beautiful head a against a wall

    every where its cool talk!

  205. #205 by Sentinel Prime on December 6, 2011 - 9:37 PM

    Well his captaincy until 2013 is guaranteed.

    Until then they must be hoping that Hafeez becomes more consistent and then he can become long term captain.

  206. #206 by Sentinel Prime on December 6, 2011 - 9:54 PM

    Misbah has averaged 47 this series!

    Will boost his career average.

  207. #207 by Sentinel Prime on December 6, 2011 - 10:08 PM

    I am a little surprised U Akmal was awarded both MOM and MOS?

    Surely can could have given one of these awards to Hafeez for consistency in bowling- he also made 32 in one match which is a decent score considering the batting totals in this series.

  208. #208 by Sentinel Prime on December 6, 2011 - 10:13 PM

    Someone threw a stone at the umpires who officiated the ODI series in Bangladesh.

    Bangladeshis also pelted stones at the West Indies team in the World Cup.

    I think the Sri Lankan and Pakistani crowds are more civilised than Indian and Bangladeshi crowds.

    Someone used abusive language at Ravi Rampaul after he got SRT out recently, and of course the behaviour of the Kolkata crowd in 1996 World Cup cannot be forgotten. There was another match when the crowd misbehaved after Tendulkar was given run out following his collision with a Pakistani fielder.

  209. #209 by NewGuy on December 6, 2011 - 11:38 PM

    Another feather in Misbah’s cap, a clean sweep of Banglas. Both teams played pathetically today, although once again Misbah arrested the slide, and rescued batting with Umar Akmal. In many ways, Misbah is like Dhoni’s Jaddoo, when ever team loses lot of wicket Jaddoo will come to crease and spent many balls and score 30 to 40 runs. He cannot score fast or win matches on his own. Anyhow, Umar said, Misbah helped him stay at the crease, so must be better than Jaddoo in leadership qualities.

    Bangladesh is the most boring and pathetic team to watch, their crowd takes the cake when it comes to boring behavior too. Fans of no country has so far pelted stones on umpire. Think about that for minute. When it comes to bad behavior you got hand it out to Bengalis. Their cousins on Indian side set fire on the stadium.

  210. #210 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 3:49 AM

    NewGuy

    Misbah ki cap hai ya MURGHI KI DUM?
    I wonder why the English call our MORE or MAYUR as PEA-COCK?

    So, you are now comparing Misbah with Jaddoo? And not so long ago you said, Jaddoo is one of the worst players in the Indian team and he is there only because he is Dhoni’s xxxxx boy!

    So who is Misbah’s Grand Daddy?

  211. #211 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 3:53 AM

    BREAKING NEWS: ZARDARI MAY RESIGN DUE TO ILL HEALTH.

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/07/zardari-may-resign-over-ill-health-report.html

    So, the news about his fleeing the country is correct. The platform is being laid for Musharraf to come back and join with Imran Khan ….. what is Nawaz Tindoo going to say? I am agree Naat??

  212. #212 by Mohammed Munir on December 7, 2011 - 4:24 AM

    NewGuy …

    I think it’s only you and me who can see the Glass Half Full , while for the rest it is always the other way round. 😦

    BTW, even the Bangoo captain pointed towards some umpiring issues and he said we were unfortunate. I haven’t seen the full match but may be there were some bad decisions against them.

  213. #213 by NewGuy on December 7, 2011 - 5:05 AM

    Well .. I agree that Misbah has one of the poorest strike rates among ODI batsmen today, but he has scored a lot of runs this year while not many Pakistani batsmen have really scored many runs. So, if there is someone who is scoring at a good rate and also scoring heavily then Misbah is blocking their way. I don’t know anything about domestic cricket in Pakistan, to know whether Misbah is blocking the way of some talented youngsters. I can only comment from what I see in the international team.

    I don’t know about how else to look at today’s match, Misbah scored slow, but he put runs on board, others except Akmal did not even do anything. This pattern has been going on for as long as one can see.

    Younus Khan on the other hand contributes nothing, but he is still in the team.

  214. #214 by NewGuy on December 7, 2011 - 5:12 AM

    As I said I don’t anything about replacements for Misbah, Malik, Younus, Shafiq, so on .. but if you take away Misbah from this Pakistan team, they might even lose to minnows because there is no one contributing in batting, except Akmal. Afridi scored in some matches, Hafeez scored in some matches, but they are not reliable. Only Misbah has been scoring steadily. This is why I keep saying he is arresting the slide.

  215. #215 by Mohammed Munir on December 7, 2011 - 6:20 AM

    Misbah is slow agreed, but the irony is that minus Misbah this team is not capable of even playing full 50 overs. So often the entire side is out below 50 overs and they rarely go beyond 250.

    The problem is that we start comparing Pakistan among the top teams whereas we should face the fact that we are NOT top team anymore and we should compare ourselves with teams ranked alongside us. Likewise, Misbah is heavily criticized while being compared with best batsmen among the world, whereas in reality we should see that who and how many are better batsmen than Misbah in current Pakistani team

    We have a few occasional performers like Hafeez, Afridi, Akmal and at times even Farhat, Younis and others may play well but who is there to provide consistency and stability ❓ None of these batters takes full responsibility or put a value to their wickets.

    We will continue cursing Misbah for as long as we are comparing him with top batsmen in the world and similarly comparing Pakistan with Australia, SA and India, but this is not the fact and only an excuse for Misbah-bashing.

    Why should Misbah make way for any, possible, new talent. Misbah himself got a chance to play for Pakistan regularly when we was well pass 30s. Did someone scarify his place for Misbah ❓

    If Sachin, Ponting and earlier Jaysuriya were not ready to retire on their own after playing for decades, why should Misbah scarify himself only for a non-existent domestic talent.

  216. #216 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 7:41 AM

    LOL@ Munir’s analogies, first of all it is not a matter of seeing the glass as half full or half empty. Its a matter of seeing in a dark night, a pile of charcoal on top of that is a black cat, which actually is not there. Misbah’s being there or not there in the team will NOT make any difference. Time and again we have mentioned the reasons for his victories and, for some people repetition is a MUST only then they learn or remember.

    1. In terms of form, this is one of the lousiest Pakistan cricket team performing since its inception because, no one is consistent …. Misbah’s consistency is actually negativity.
    2. The team is playing without indulging into politics and betting because there is a glaring example of Asaf, Aamir and Butt in jail.
    3. There are good players in Pakistan who have been ignored by the selectors like Fawad Alam, Hammad Azam and even Shahzaib Hassan Khan better than Farhat, Taufiq Umar, Malik.
    4. The selection of Younus Khan in shorter version of the game is a total waste of talent of other youngsters.
    5. Misbah’s slow and negative batting only to ensure his place is like poisoning the minds of new and young players. He is disgustipatingly pathetic batsmen, yet people only see his runs and not his strike rate, they only see that he drew a match and they never can see like that: “Glass Half Full” that by playing positive cricket a match could be won.

    You say forget about the WC semifinal. WHY, WHY? Why should anyone forget that WC semifinal? That is the most important event that takes place in 4 years and when the langlee looli team reached semifinals after 10 years you say its OK to lose and, so what he played a slow innings? Why don’t you take some trouble and get the stats and see how his average is inflated because of remaining not out. If remaining not out in cricket is the criteria to be called a successful player, then people should be fishing in still waters and wait for a bite – once in 12 hours – and earn a title of Mr. cool cucumber, Mr. Calm, Mr. Patient. Mr. Pathetic.

  217. #217 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 7:52 AM

    Yes, Munir you are absolutely right before Misbah Pakistan team never scored 250 runs. I think the whole of Pakistan and its future generations must be obliged and grateful to Misbah for letting the team pass that landmark.

    There is a big difference between Tendulkar, Ponting and Jayasuriya and this TUT POONJIYA Misbah, I don’t know how you can compare them or mention their names along with this ch2Sulphite? Sachin and Ponting are world leaders in cricket. Even though Tendulkar got stuck in scoring his 100th 100 because of his countrymen pressurizing him, he still scored 90 odd runs in that match against WI when he was out. Ponting is still playing well at a good strike rate. Aur Misbah? Ye Kis Khet Ki Mooli hai?

    Whether he stays or retires it makes no difference on his personal rankings, he is a nothing player but, his exit will make a big difference as he will take Malik with him and at least 2 young talented players will get a chance. Reportedly, Fawad Alam and Hammad Azam were sidelined so many times that they got frustrated and asked Inti, Waqar and Yawar Saeed for their exclusion and that was like Afridi kinda mistake, questioning the Bosses is a crime in Pakastan. Afridi got pardoned because he is in a different class whereas these youngsters have to repent their mistake, God knows how long? Or, they will end up like Asim Kamal and Danish Kaneria (who is on the verge of extinction).

  218. #218 by Zen on December 7, 2011 - 7:56 AM

    Newguy

    the odi series against sl and t20 plus first 2 odi against bangla plus odi would have beeen lost if there was no afridi!

  219. #219 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 8:02 AM

    zen

    That means the series would have been lost, am I right?

  220. #220 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 8:13 AM

    In the last 15 months Pakistan’s strike rate is the lowest among all teams, and they are about 25% lower than the earlier period i.e., when the team used to score 300 plus runs in ODI’s. Misbah’s stickability is being considered as a blessing, BAKAOZ without him getting super-glued to the pitch it is NAT passiBul, to suckore 250 runs. Anddaaa, it is also apparent in their balls-per-dismissal figure of 98.42 when Masbah comes to the crease to play a TUK TUK COMPETITION. To appreciate this kinda batting you have to see these figures through “MissyBaba’s eye glasses, or Munir’s half glass. They say that, tthese are encouraging numbers. Yes, they are but, don’t foget that these stats are also a result owing to the venues and teams. Pakistan have played these matches against Minnows.The last ten Tests Pakistan played, five of them have been hosted in the UAE, two in the West Indies, and one in Zimbabwe – And now they will play against Bangladesh the conditions and the quality of the oppossition is still the same and it is very likely kay jaisay taisay Pakistan will win and that will over-burden Misbah’s cap with Ostrich feathers.

    Ps
    Whatever I have said above is not my opinion, it is all JHOOT, BAKAOZ, JHOOTAY KA BOLL BALA, SUCCHAY KAY KA MOONH KALA.

  221. #221 by Mohammed Munir on December 7, 2011 - 8:36 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Good Morning …

    I read your comments no. 194, 216, 217 & 220, with interest.

    And only now I know the actual meaning of the word, “SATIRE”. (Ab Tum Hee Batao, Yahan Par 😉 Banta Hai Ya Nahin).

    Let’s NOT forget about that semi-final and request our stat-expert (Khansahab) to paste the link of that match and see who all contributed in that defeat. We will come to know whether it was only Misbah’s fault and what the remaining 10 players, including some seniors, were doing ❓

    Subah Subah Ghussa Mut Kar Bhai … I still love you & LS. 😉

  222. #222 by Mohammed Munir on December 7, 2011 - 8:41 AM

    More then Misbah … 😉

  223. #223 by Zen on December 7, 2011 - 9:50 AM

    Yes, definitely series against sl would have been lost.

    LALAFIED just didnt come w/o any reason 😆

    anyway, the question remains that mishap expiry date is too close and somebody has to replace him. The stupidity oops stability he gives wont be jeopardized if he plays as a batter only in tests.

    I dont understand how persisting with him will help his successor?

    Regarding wc semi,rohit’s inning should be compared with mishap. At least rohit tried 2 win but lost and mishap got he wanted-mishap. 😉

    so if stability is the issue,isnt rohit providing it better than mishap,and he aint the capt.

  224. #224 by Zen on December 7, 2011 - 10:09 AM

    chalo ji daniaal agaya

    abhi koi perogram nahi kudrsi chodrne ka

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=28057

  225. #225 by Zen on December 7, 2011 - 10:30 AM

    newguy

    your contention is that if someone has the potential to score runs, he should be tried to replace mishap. the only way to find that out is by giving a chance. domestic performances are never reliable indicators of potential specially in india-pak as batsmen score loads of runs but when they are exposed to seamy conditions in intl cricket, they r found wanting. so u agree that some soul searching needs to be done!

    usman khawaja is good case in point. he’s been drafted to replace ageing batters like ponting, hussey. only trials could dtermine whether a hidden talent is there or not? but do u think there is any intent on part of pk ckt higher ups to do something about it. u r watching pk matches and u dont need to have in depth knowledge of domestic structure to understand such subtleties. when a team bloods youngsters, it shows they r into long term planning.

    Anyway, im darn sure about one thing and it may sound very bluntttttt…………………. but its a fact.

    even if there was a talent who has the potential to be a future miandad or inzimam, pcb wont allow him at the expense of mishap.

    thats a foregone conclusion and mishap will remain in the team as capt and batsman.

    so status quo looks to be the case till 2013 at least.

  226. #226 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 12:02 PM

    Newguy

    Batting has to be looked at in completeness. You can’t say that although someone plays very slowly (or negatively/selfishly someone else might say) they still score runs and this is why they should be played.

    This is negative thought in itself- that you are only looking at a pool of mediocres and “sifarishis” and then saying that Misbah is the best amongst the bad lot.

    What JAK, Zen and I have been asking is why does a mediocre player need to play in the first place? Why not get someone else? Is stability in mediocrity more important or a change that might work better for the team?

    The reason why tailenders don’t bat in the middle order apart from the fact that their defence is not good, is because they can’t attack and score quickly. But as you have seen with many tailenders who have stuck their ground and blocked balls (Ambrose, Mushtaq Ahmed, Zaheer Khan, Gillespie, Brett Lee etc) contributing in many heroic Test victories, that it is not difficult for someone to block balls. Every now and then a bad delivery comes and even a tailender hits a boundary or a sixer.

    So, what is the difference between that and Misbah’s batting?

    I don’t think Misbah plays too differently from a night watchman whose responsibility is just to block. When these watchmen survive close of play, the next day they continue blocking because they are often not able enough to attack.

    One can compare Misbah and Tendulkar and also say that, just like Misbah’s strike rate is poor, Tendulkar’s performance in pressure situations is poor, but they both score runs. However for various reasons this comparison would be inappropriate because Tendulkar has achieved many great feats which Misbah can only dream of. This is my point- that one has to look batting in its entirely and analyse the effect it is having on the team.

  227. #227 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 12:09 PM

    JAK

    This negative approach to batting was present in the team before Mohsin Khan came, this is why this is probably Misbah’s invention. This is why I don’t blame the coach for this approach.

    There is no pride in not being able to score 200+ vs Bangladesh and then relying on your spin bowlers to win the match.

    Hafeez, Afridi, Ajmal were already top ODI bowlers before Misbah came.

    Batting wise I am sure Asad Shafiq is trying to copy him and Shafiq’s performance has declined under Misbah. In his first few series he was classy and more attacking.

    Rather than bask in the glory of this whitewash PCB should hold an inquiry and make the captain accountable as to why his team performed poorly with the bat.

  228. #228 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 12:36 PM

    MM

    This is Misbah’s performance over by over in the Mohali Semi Final:

    End of over 31- 8 runs from 17 balls

    over 33- 8 runs from 24 balls

    AT THIS STAGE 119 REQUIRED FROM 102 BALLS

    over 34- 9 runs from 25 balls

    over 35- 10 from 30 balls

    115 required from 90 balls @ 7.66/over

    over 37- 13 from 36 balls

    109 required from 78 balls @ 8.38/over and Pakistan 6 wickets down

    over 39- 17 from 42 balls

    93 runs required from 66 balls @ 8.45/over

    over 41- 25 from 48 balls with only 1 boundary

    80 required from 54 balls @ 8.88/over

    over 43- 27 from 52 balls with 1 boundary

    69 required 42 balls @ 9.85/over

    over 45- 33 from 55 balls with 2 boundaries

    61 needed from 30 balls @ 12.20/over

    After this Powerplay was taken and from this position he reached 56 from 76 balls because he started attacking. So, in the Powerplay he scored 21 runs from 21 balls which in itself is not brilliant.

    Between overs 30-40 his strike rate was less than 50 and that is where the match was lost. He could have helped Umar Akmal a great deal by attacking from the other end and there would have been much less pressure on Razzaq and Afridi when they came to bat from the 34th over onwards.

    Razzaq and Afridi are very inconsistent batsmen but putting them under this pressure was not fair. Razzaq always takes 20-25 balls to get going, otherwise he can never play a pinch hitter’s knock. Afridi does not play well under pressure normally.

    When Misbah came out to bat 158 runs were needed from 157 balls.

    After 10 overs 117 runs were needed from 96 balls.

    10 overs after that 62 runs were needed from 36 balls.

    So slowly but surely Misbah took Pakistan towards defeat, you can blame Razzaq for getting out but not for slow batting because he always takes a while before he gets going. Afridi does not bat well under pressure.

    He ended the match with a respectable 50 odd from 70 odd balls but lost the match in getting to his respectable individual position.

    I am sure Tendulkar who is meant to play for his records, would never have played so selfishly.

    If you look at Misbah’s innings in 2 halves:

    First 38 balls produced 15 runs with a SR of 39.

    Next 38 balls produced 41 runs with a strike rate of 100+.

  229. #229 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 12:54 PM

    This is now going into IFS and BUTS, but if Misbah’s had score 30 instead if 15 from his first 38 balls, then the pressure would have been much less on U Akmal, Razzaq and Afridi.

    You don’t play India in India, that too in a World Cup, that too in a Semi Final with such a minnow-centric strategy of playing defensively and hoping that Razzaq and Afridi will perform a miracle. Sorry, but they have never performed any miracles in any major Cups or in semis or finals.

    The person who reintroduced Misbah into the team and thought Misbah was good enough to become Pakistan’s batting stalwart needs to be slapped.

  230. #230 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 2:11 PM

    No Tendulkar for tomorrow’s ODI?

    I’ve tried searching for his news but seems like he is not in contention.

    Maybe the BCCI feels West Indies are now resurgent and SRT might not be able to perform.

  231. #231 by NewGuy on December 7, 2011 - 2:15 PM

    So, I think the major problem is not just the player Misbah, but the establishment who is keeping these old horses in the team. I agree that Pakistan at one time played aggressive cricket, the kind of cricket that opposition were afraid of. In many ways Indian team today is playing with aggression, and Pakistan team has adopted the Indian style from the days of Vengsarkar, Ravi Shastri, and mediocre players like Arun Lal. Youth certainly should help bring more aggression. However, establishment need to change, and for that people should demand more out of the team. May be Indian public is doing something right in demanding a win every time the team goes out to play. Dhoni keeps saying when India plays every match is a pressure match, because public expectation is too high, but it is not possible to win all matches. Pakistan used to produce aggressive players who took the fight to opposition, but it seems these days either people like that do not make into team, or are not to be found. Either way public also has to put demands if establishment is to change.

  232. #232 by NewGuy on December 7, 2011 - 2:19 PM

    KS,

    Tendulkar is leaving to Australia early along with other Test specialists Dravid, Laxman, and new bowler Umesh Yadav, to get familiarized with conditions early. This is something BCCI has been doing since SA tour last year. Only they could not do it in England. I think they are leaving tomorrow, which means Tendulkar cannot play last two ODI. I think it is clear that Tendulkar’s priority is Test matches which makes sense, and BCCI wants senior Test batsmen to get practice in the conditions early.

  233. #233 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 2:23 PM

    Newguy

    Do you think the problem is mainly with defensive vs attacking mindset?

    I think it is beyond that. There is an obsession with negativity.

    Defensive gameplay is not bad because defensive technique has produced great players like Boycott, Gavaskar and Dravid.

    But, all of these plays knew how to get boundaries and accelerate when the need arose.

    The aim of every batsman is to score as many runs as possible in as few balls as possible. The only difference is that Dravid and Kallis like to absorb pressure and get settled before they look to accelerate. Defensive batsmen are fighters like attacking batsmen are.

    What Misbah plays is downright negative and disgraceful cricket, not defensive. He plays a different sport because this is not cricket.

  234. #234 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 2:25 PM

    Newguy

    His priority may be Test matches but I agree with JAK and Zen that the sooner he retires from Tests the better.

    This does not seem to be a great decision on his part- he could have rested this Test series just to “test the waters” and played in the ODI series.

    Australia’s better bowlers are apparently injured or unavailable so he might muster a decent performance but I think he is under a lot of pressure and it is not pleasant to see such a great player embarrassing himself.

  235. #235 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 2:28 PM

    Why are the Indian batsmen going to Australia 3-4 weeks prior to the 1st Test? The first Test starts on Boxing Day and I think they left about a week ago.

    Seems like they have a lot of practice planned!

  236. #236 by Zen on December 7, 2011 - 3:34 PM

    Ks

    that was swell, the way u disectd mishap’s innings.
    It clearly shows how he SABOTAGED THE RUN CHASE.

    Ill add a question

    why now it is claimed he wasnt the man who lost the semi.just after the match whole nation was saying he screwed it. Does it 6 months to conclude why a match is lost or its anothr example of rising sun.

  237. #237 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 5:11 PM

    khansahan, zen, newguy

    khansahab the examples of Gavaskar, Boycott and Dravid in comparing Misbah’s Mishaps are not justified because, two of them Gav and Boy played mostly tests, Dravid’s scored close to 11,000 runs at an average of close to 40 and strike rate of over 71 …………. all these players have played a lot matches whereas Misbah has played only 89 matches and in most of them he remained not out so his average is highly inflated when you compare with someone who has played 300 plus matches.

    Remember Mike Hussey when he started playing his average was more than Don Bradman and even after playing 30-40 matches it was still over 80 but, now it has come down to 50-51 perhaps? So, the reality kicks in when you are exposed for a longer period of time.

    Despite losing two crucical matches against India (one, a round match the tied match and the other the final) both were in SA @ the T20 WC, he became a hero. The guy who could not finish the match by playing a winning shot when there were 3 runs needed in 4 balls he tried to invent a reverse scoop shot. England’s Captain Mike Gatting played a reverse flick in the 1996 and lost the match, that was the reverse gear of Gatting’s career. But, here as tom says “Mishaps” happen all the time and he is still the HERO. Why because the people are stupid to think that a negative, mediocre player is a super hero!

  238. #238 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 5:26 PM

    newguy

    Your question needed a separate answer because you have asked about the change in administration. Don’t you remember how much we wrote against IJAZ BUTT? He was and still is the MOST HATED PERSON IN CRICKET and we took out venom against each of his stupid actions. As a chairman he was selecting stupid administrators and selectors and he openly claimed that he had crushed player power, in fact he crushed only regional player power because, the players from one region were constantly being pampered, pushed and their mistakes, follies, mediocre performance were ignored and not even that their criminal activities were also ignored and allowed them to grow to that extent where the whole cricketing world is shocked that 3 Pakistani players have been jailed. That MF Butt has not yet apologized to the SL team or even the country for the terrorist attack that happened during his tenure and he is responsible for that.

    So, what do you expect from the administration ?? Some times even you brood and lament about the selection process in India especially curse SriKant for his biases and for his stupidities but, can you do anything? Yousuf is still a good player for test, better than Younus Khan and Misbah both and he is out of the team. They don’t want Kaneria in the test team because there is Ajmal, Abdul Rahman and Hafeez. They don’t want Fawad Alam in the team because they have Malak and Youngsta Beauty. There is a wicketkeeper crisis and no one is able to fill that spot at the moment, isn’t it a shame that they cannot find a wicketkeeper in a population of 170 million? The Man with Two Horns was doing a good job behind the wickets but he did a Big Faux Pas and no one can trust him.

    Among the bowlers, sohail tanvir is a spent force, yet they keep bringing him back, Sohail Khan is another Pathan so there must be a quota for Pathans? Its better that Younus Khan retires and give “a” room for a young fast bowler. There are many ways to improve this team’s performance but the first and foremost is to inspire them with a positive approach, if the captain is so negative and his energy is so exhausted that he cannot inspire anyone, except that he feels elated after winning against the minnows who are also in their worst form. I have never seen Bangladesh playing so badly. Also, I have never seen Sri Lanka playing that badly.

  239. #239 by Mohammed Munir on December 7, 2011 - 6:07 PM

    Khansahab …

    With all due respect, you are postmorteming only Misbah, please let us have the semi final link and check the full game, along with bowling and fielding culprits.

    Why are you targeting just one guy ?

    And how can you say that so and so can not play under pressure ? Is it also Misbah’s fault if others with three times more ODIs played then Misbah can not play ? Why only because Misbah is older in age ?

    Anyways, it will be useful to view the entire match and take it from there.

  240. #240 by Sentinel Prime on December 7, 2011 - 6:16 PM

    MM

    India scored 260 which was a chaseable target.

    The dropped catches, Younis Khan’s dismal performance etc was history when Misbah came to bat.

    If you like, he was the last hope and the responsibility was upon him because he was the senior middle order batsman.

    You can’t say Afridi and Razzaq who might have 600 matches between them should be anchors in that situation because they are unreliable and only play because they have other roles in the team, which they can actually perform better.

    Every cricketer plays because he has a primary role and then secondary roles are a bonus. Misbah’s primary role is of a senior player/middle order batsman/batting anchor.

    What else is his role? He is not a bowler and not a remarkable fielder.

  241. #241 by Zen on December 7, 2011 - 8:36 PM

    KS

    I dont think mishap’s innings can be classified as an anchor innings. from ovr 31-41 he only struck one boundary and scored 17 runs in 5 overs, which equates to run rate of 3.4 /ovr while around 31st ovr required run rate was 6.5. so the match was choked and obviously it would have created pressure for other guys. even for arguments sake, if others are blamed still it doesnt exonerate mishap. instead he’s made captain and told to persist with this pathetic batting ugh!

    qibla, his role is a stability provider and calmness generator. hes supposed to soothe nerves and and motivate others to play 😉

  242. #242 by Zen on December 7, 2011 - 8:46 PM

    anchor innings was one which rohit played against wi in last odi. had rohit played like mishap did, would it had been wise to call that innings an anchor one?

  243. #243 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 7, 2011 - 10:13 PM

    Munir Mian

    This is a cricket blog and not a Bank’s CEO’s office where someone will provide you with MIS (not Misbah but, Management Information Services) that you are demanding from khansahab to provide the details and performances of others instead of doing a postmortem on Misbah, why don’t you work out the stats and come up with facts and figures and on the day of MISHAP when the postmortem would be done, actually that will be The Day. (Zen that’s Mishap is a nice name that you have given him)

    Don’t you remember Misbah dropped Tendulkar at midwicket and he also dropped one more batsman in the slips, I cannot remember his name. And, The Youngsta Beauty and Mr.Dummy Captain dropped one each and not to mention Kamran Akmal doing his ususal dropping? Finally it was Afridi who did not let him score the 100 and took a fantastic low catch. Whereas, other catches were very easy and SIM-PAL.

    And, Misbah’s TUK TUK role was criticized even by kids because of his deliberate slow batting. It has now been revealed in the cricketing circles, and many people firmly believe that it was a deliberate ruse to under-perform in the WC semifinal, BAKAOZ, Afridi’s relationship with Ijaz Butt and Waqar Younus was getting sour and they did not want him to lift the WC and become another Imran Khan. And, they gave Misbah a green signal that he will be made captain of the team. Warna yar kon itna mur mur kay khelta hai aur kon itna tuk tuk kerta hai? Everyone knew that it was deliberate, sirf gadhay hee ye baat nahee maantay jab kay vo jaantay hain kay such kya hai aur banawat kya hai? Aur aisay log Pakastan may ba tadaad-e-kaseer hain. Rohit Sharma nay anchor innings kheli thee aur vo bhee ek baar nahee 2 baar and that is consistency and not Misbah’s huggay!

  244. #244 by Zen on December 7, 2011 - 10:58 PM

    Actually jak what u call tuk tuk is considered as stability. It seems prior to mishap there was no batsmanship.

    Pk never scored 250+ in odis,they never won a series in new zealand etc.

    I wonder why ponting was sacked? Aussies could have persisted with him but they understood requirements of rebuilding.

    I remember nasir husain’s england won test match in karachi by chasing 160 odd in 40 ovrs. Mishap wouldnt have won that match-he would have achieved stability by DRAWING THE MATCH.

  245. #245 by NewGuy on December 7, 2011 - 11:04 PM

    Well .. Misbah played negatively in the WC semi for sure, but anyhow the target would not have been achieved, because Pakistan rarely chases total above 250 these days.

    In the old days there used to be Ravi Shastri who was a very negative player. One time he became a man of the series in world championship cricket in Australia, and won an Audi car. He became a celebrity overnight and from there on he was secured a spot in Indian team. In the 1987 WC semi final India were chasing 260 or so runs against England, and was 50 or 60 runs away when Kapil Dev played a foolish shot to offer Mike Gatting catching practice at mid wicket. Then Ravi Shastri was at the crease, and he was known as an all rounder, every expected he will score positively and go for the win. Instead he will dance down the pitch, everyone thought he is going to hit the ball out of the park , but he will come down the pitch and block the ball. Like Tuk Tuk. He was the first exponent of tuk tuk batting in ODI cricket. That semi India lost eventually, there were many reasons. But at that point everyone in India blamed Shastri for his tuk tuk batting.

    There after he made a style of this batting regularly, he was booed by the crowd few times, and he showed his middle finger in return. Eventually Shastri was made captain of India team for some brief duration also. Now he is a well known commentator and big gun in Indian cricket circles.

    So, negative players have flourished before too, with enough pull and sifarish.

    Misbah to me is an Enigma, he doesn’t say much, so it is hard to know what goes on in his mind, why he blocks the way he does, and then suddenly he will hit sixes and fours out of the blue, get out in funny fashion, so on …

  246. #246 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 2:18 AM

    Correct!

    Pk is poor at chasing and mishap’s style of play exacerbates this situation.

    Well shastri was also a bowler. He helped india in winning that tournament but after that he lost his mojo.2 players are always blamed in 87 WC-kapil and gatting.

    Anyway,mishap’s wont be removed as capt and that should provide quantum of solace to his supporters.

    Cummins is out for 6 wks so india should benefit.but will they ?

    One can never be sure but there is a problem- century of centuries.

    The sooner its made,the better it would be.

  247. #247 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 4:38 AM

    I don’t know the reason of Dinesh Karthik NOT in the team instead we see this Pathetic Patil? Patil has remained unknown and unseen during this whole series. This is another politics in India, my guess is Dhoni doesn’t want a very good keeper when he is not playing so that when he comes, his spot is acutomatically vacated. The thing I like about Dinesh Karthik is he is an excellent fielder too, a eal live wire.

    Yeah, Shastri became a celebrity because of his Audi car and I do remember in those days his fans in Sharjah used to call him Audi Shastri. His sister Padma Shastri was in Lao with a Gora, a newscaaster for Dxb Channel 33 English news. Anyways, back to Shastri, he has admitted that he is not a talented player but, a hard woring player. Same is the case with Misbah but, he doesn’t accept. The difference between him and Mishap is Ravi retired at the age of 30 and Mishap came into limelight at the age of 34 and he is almost 39 and still wants to play tuk tuk, he should go and play mini-golf and enjoy himself rather than boring millions of people around the world.

  248. #248 by NewGuy on December 8, 2011 - 5:09 AM

    JK,

    Yeah, I almost forgot Ravi retired early, now that you said 30 it sounds very early age to retire, but at that time everyone has had enough of him, so it didn’t feel early at all. Because he would do tuk tuk batting a lose matches, he once scored a double century as opener in Australia, but it felt like almost two days. His bowling was also mediocre. In those days India had lot of tuk tuk batsmen and mediocre bowlers. Azharuddin was the lone good batsman those days, even he had limitations against the short ball. It is only with the arrival of Tendulkar, Kumble, Srinath, Dravid, and Ganguly that India could compete with top teams.

    Anyhow, Shastri retired because he got the commentary gig and he found it is better than playing cricket, besides his cricketing future was not looking good.

    Coming to DK, it is certainly politics, something to do with regional quotas I think, or Patel has got some pull. He is not a bad batsman, he does not have fear, and can cut and pull fast bowlers, but he plays poor shots and he doesn’t try to stay and convert stats. But his keeping is poor.

  249. #249 by Mohammed Munir on December 8, 2011 - 6:14 AM

    NewGuy …

    I liked the Ravi Shastri storey and his character is reasonably similar to our man, Mard-e-Momen Mard-e-Haq, Misbah-ul-Haq Misbah-ul-Haq. 😉

    If you ask JAK, he will tell you the meaning of this little phrase. 😉 (this smiley was due here).

    I am damn sure, Misbah must also be showing his middle-finger to his critics in return just like Shastri did. This is why he never replies or even tries to justify himself and rather completely IGNORES them. 😆

    JAK … Padma is still happily married with channel 33 newscaster, Richard Coram, and she is called Padma Coram.

  250. #250 by Mohammed Munir on December 8, 2011 - 6:19 AM

    Sentinel Prime (KS) …

    Thanks for your taking time and giving details of that semi-final, I appreciate it, and I am sorry to have pushed you for that.

    IMO, it was never easy to chase 260 in a pressure game, WC Semi-Final stage, in India, against India, seeing Pakistan’s chasing capabilities/ records and that too with the so-called “Langri Looli” team.

    Anyway, here is that Semi-Final web link and now we all can see and discuss the realities and failures of full team and not just one guy.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/match/433605.html

    This will help assess a lot of details like initial overs scores, Powerplays, Extras runs, drop catches, bowling figures, and most importantly batting performances of so-called seniors.

    I will be traveling for few days and may not check LS, but once I am back we will continue our interesting little discussion right from here.

    PS: BTW, did you ever blame Afridi for loosing the all-important semi-final ‘toss’ to our archrival India ❓ You so often criticize Misbah for loosing the tosses … right ❓ 😉

  251. #251 by Mohammed Munir on December 8, 2011 - 6:21 AM

    World Cup Final …

    Now that I am on it … let’s see this final India / Sri Lanka too. 😉

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/match/433606.html

    Sri Lanka was a much better unit then the Pakistan team in this WC right from the start, but they lost in much worst fashion than Pakistan in the final, and still non of their fans are cursing them as much as we are doing with such “Langri Looli” team.

    If someone would have said that Pakistan will reach the semi-final before the start of WC, we would never believe them. So rather then being happy in reaching thus far and celebrating Afridi’s captaincy and Pakistan’s overall good performance, we are channeling all our energies in blaming Misbah.

    Pakistani fans have this knack of thinking only negatively.

  252. #252 by Mohammed Munir on December 8, 2011 - 6:28 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I am not ‘demanding the details and performances of others’, but was simply requesting for the semi-final web link, which then everyone can see for themselves.

    And BTW, it would have been much easier and faster to paste one simple link, rather then taking so much of pain and dissecting Misbah’s over-by-over batting performances and trying unnecessary to prove his failures. That link would have given full details of our bowling, fielding as well as batting mistakes.

    BOLD Likhnay Sey Koch “Reveal” Nahin Hota …………… You are still ASSUMING lot of things in think air and without a trace of reality.

    Few of the point to ponder upon ….

    – Ijazz Butt and Waqar Younis are long gone, why is Misbah is playing ‘tuk-tuk’ till today ❓

    – Why Misbah accepted what Butt & Waqar told him and took the entire blame on himself by playing slow ❓

    – Why the hell Misbah risked his own career by playing the way he did ❓

    – What was Misbah’s problem with Afridi or Pakistan ❓

    – Why was so much dependence and importance attached by Waqar & Butt only to Misbah when much senior batsmen like Younis Khan were in the team ❓

    – Why it can not be that Younis Khan was hating Afridi deep inside, because Afridi joined anti-Younis group, and so Younis took his revenge by not performing in the semi-final ❓

    – Younis Khan scored 13 runs wasting 32 basll at a S/R of 40 … Why ❓

    – Why Butt & Waqar have not persuaded Younis Khan to play to hurt Afridi ❓

    – Abdul Razzaq wasted 9 balls to score only 3 at such important phase of the game … Why ❓

    – How you can confirm that Umar Gul did not bowl below his full capabilities purposefully to hurt Afridi’s captaincy ❓
    (although he was having a great WC prior to that game)

    – Why Afridi and Abdul Razzaq did not do anything in this all important game ❓

    The answer to all these questions is … Assumptions, Conspiracy Theories, Guess Work, Speculations, Presumptions, Imaginations, Hypothetical Analysis and so on.

    I am fully enjoying all this ‘gup-shup’ and “SATIRE” discussion. 😉
    Hope the same for you and guess you are not “riling-up”, as you often say. 😉

  253. #253 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 8:15 AM

    GUYS

    I went through Munir’s links and sorry to say Mishap did what he does ” MISHAP”

    it took me 5 minutes to finally find a solution to a problem whichg hjas plagued this blog for weeks: who lost the semifinal?

    and ultimately I found the pin in the hay stack- it was 2 palyers.

    a main character plus a secondary character.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAJHSHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAGASGAHAHAHAH…….oops my finger is achin…

    Read it guys and find the exploits of MYSTEREOIOUS MISHAP!

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/story/508787.html

    This link was found from munir’s mentioned link

    s rajesh has shoved a middle stump in mishapo’s bucket sized butts!

  254. #254 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 8:17 AM

    In case some of you have a network prob or directly want to read mystery guys story, I have it pasted here

    Misbah’s mystery innings
    Misbah-ul-Haq’s strike rate at the end of his innings was 73.68; Tendulkar’s rate for his 85 was 73.91. That, perhaps, is as good an example as any to illustrate the fact that stats without context is meaningless. Misbah’s inexplicable go-slow through the first half of his innings resulted in the asking rate climbing to unmanageable proportions, and it also forced the other batsmen to take risks that might otherwise have been unnecessary. He tried to make up for it later, but apart from helping him reach a personal landmark and improving his strike-rate, his late hits counted for little.

    Overall, Misbah played out 42 dot balls, which was the most among Pakistan’s batsmen. In his first 42 balls, he scored only 17 and played 27 dots. During this period, Pakistan’s asking rate went up from 6.07 to 8.45. Younis Khan’s sluggish innings didn’t help either – add his 13 from 32 balls to Misbah’s 17 in his first 42, and Pakistan have every reason to feel their two most experienced batsmen didn’t serve them well: in those 74 balls, the two batsmen got a grand total of 30 runs, with no boundaries. Even with the power-hitters to follow, that was a bridge too far.

    Misbah’s mis-paced innings
    Runs Dots 1s/ 2s 4s/ 6s
    First 42 balls 17 27 13/ 2 0/ 0
    Last 34 balls 39 15 13/ 0 5/ 1
    Full innings (76 balls) 56 42 26/ 0 5/ 1

    Enjoy and then discuss

    Mystery Mishap! 😛

  255. #255 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 8:19 AM

    Hehehe….

    mispaced innings

    mishap, mistake, this guy is all missssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss……………..

    tomorrow i guess well hear he had a missed period!

  256. #256 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 9:30 AM

    Ks

    who is this rajesh guy?

    What u said in ur dissection and what he says is quite similar

    like both of u feel hitters were asked to do a lot!

  257. #257 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 11:38 AM

    Sehwag has a chance to score a double hundred today, even go beyond that may be. He could go up to 220-230 if he continues to play like this.

    Sehwag is on 191 now and 7 more overs to go after these 3 more balls, can he make 250 after scoring 200?

    195 now.

    7 full overs or 42 balls to be bowled and Sehwag is only one boundary short of his 200 runs in the ODI, second Indian player to do this, only Tendulkar has done this before and now it will be Sehwag.

  258. #258 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 12:03 PM

    Munir

    You think you are enjoying it because, happiness is all in your mind, some people are happy in their own —- paradise and nothing can change them because, their mind can only see what it is prepared to see. But, the whole world is not Ch2yum Sulphate to day dream like him, they delve much deeper to find out the real reason instead of believing in what is appearing on surface. The same link that you have quoted, which Zen has also pointed out reveals more information about the gem of the gems from the land of Diamond mines. Here is what S. Rajesh wrote on cricinfo.

    Misbah’s mystery innings

    “Misbah-ul-Haq’s strike rate at the end of his innings was 73.68; Tendulkar’s rate for his 85 was 73.91. That, perhaps, is as good an example as any to illustrate the fact that stats without context is meaningless. Misbah’s inexplicable go-slow through the first half of his innings resulted in the asking rate climbing to unmanageable proportions, and it also forced the other batsmen to take risks that might otherwise have been unnecessary. He tried to make up for it later, but apart from helping him reach a personal landmark and improving his strike-rate, his late hits counted for little.

    Overall, Misbah played out 42 dot balls, which was the most among Pakistan’s batsmen. In his first 42 balls, he scored only 17 and played 27 dots. During this period, Pakistan’s asking rate went up from 6.07 to 8.45.”

    You must be happy to read the first line that he is comparing Mishap with Tendulkar and his strike rate. The second line must hit you on your head like a nail that “stats without context is meaningless.” The context in which Tendulkar was playing (despite dropped 4 times) was to build up an innings after Sehwag’s flying start of 38 in 25 balls. Whereas, Misbah was supposed to accellerate the asking run rate when which was 6.07 when he arrived and by tuk-tuk-OOOOOOOOOooo-ing, he took it to 8.45.

    Generally the middle order batsmen like, Miandad, Inzamam, even Rohit Sharma demonstrated recently that the asking run rate should not be increased so that when the big hitters come they swing the bat and the goal is achieved. But, you keep on doing tuk-tuk the asking rate acts like high blood pressure in your system and there comes a time it results in a cardiac arrest, This is exactly what Mishab did and this is not the first time, he is an expert and a guru and did a few times. Only to play selfishly and for his personal landmarks and personal records. No one appreciaes that, except with people with a jaundiced view i.e., when they put a question mark in yellow colour assuming the whole world is colour blind. I hope this is enough for you to understand because, you have always emphasized the need of of ‘NEUTRAL VIEW’ and this guy is not just neutral but an expert and that too an STATS GURU. And his analysis are not sugarcoated or twisted, they are not in words but, in numbers.

    Remember words can mislead, deceive, create doubts, they can be sugarcoated or twisted and its meanings are changed to please and appease someone, but numbers are hard and unequivocal.

    When you say I need a piece of wire: It could be from six inches to 600 meters, it is ambiguous and unspecific and it is depending on the pieces of wires that are there or the amount that is needed.
    When you say you need 60 meters of wire, it is specific, concrete and there is no doubt in it.

  259. #259 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 12:14 PM

    SEHWAG HAS DONE IT 201 NOT OUT STILL 6 OVERS AND 3 BALLS REMAINING HE IS ON 201

    there he goes, a SIX and he should play like that to take India past 400

  260. #260 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    Newguy

    I think you must be chewing your words about Sehwag now? 😀 , its a treat to watch, its not slogging its sensible batting, he took a single after the six. He has silenced his critics with this double ton.

    This record will remain for a while and can only be broken by a mad opener that will not be sensible sort of batting but pure entertainment of sixes and fours, which is very highly unlikely yet possible. He has hit only one SIX after his 2 hundred and taken mostly singles but, that is him, he will suddenly explode with a couple of sixes and fours.

  261. #261 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 12:18 PM

    WOW

    JAK your initial inkling was right when you said that Sehwag would be the person to break Anwar’s record…….well Tendulkar could only hold that record briefly.

    We all said I AM AGREE.

    Sehwag was due to do this sooner or later and I doubt anyone else playing currently will be able to surpass 200.

  262. #262 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 12:25 PM

    khansahab

    Thanks for remembering that, but most people have short term memories they tend to forget, they even forgot the Mishappening deliberate tuk tuk of Mr. BAH jis ki vaja say Pakastan lost the WC semifinal, the irony is not forgetting, the irony is in making him a HERO now. LOL

  263. #263 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 12:31 PM

    AWW he is gone at 215, must be tired. Still a magnificent score, a majestic innings full of cricketing shots. Bravo Sehwag.

  264. #264 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 12:40 PM

    JAK

    The Indian commentator on Cricinfo was almost upset that Tendulkar’s record has been broken.

    Now, over to Afridi to hit 200 from 75 balls…………..

  265. #265 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 12:55 PM

    Well done sehwag

    that was coo……..l

    minus the cucumber 😉

  266. #266 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 1:09 PM

    Windies should approach this target with the same mindset that south africa had whn they chased 434. They should remember its a bajting pitch and indian bowling is not very strong.

    So much for wishful thinking zen?

  267. #267 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 1:35 PM

    Zen

    WI can’t do what SA did but, they are in the same situation as India i.e., first batsman run out. But, that too with a big deficit. I am sure this will be a one sided match, it goes to prove that how an opener’s innings can impact on the whole match, the batting side plays like a tiger, the opposition’s tail goes between their legs and they simply cannot stand COOL like Misbah to play 50 overs and draw he match by scoring 180 runs in achieving a target of 419.

    I got to go will continue later, but where is Munir and his tail between his legs? 😀

  268. #268 by NewGuy on December 8, 2011 - 2:10 PM

    I woke up and checked Cricinfo for the scores to see a Sehwag double. Brilliant stuff from Sehwag, I did not see any of it, but I have been waking up and reading unbelievable stuff such as Ravi Rampaul hitting 86, then Sammy hitting 41 in 17 balls so on ..

    Good to see India finally decided to stamp their authority. I had a feeling last night that Sehwag will score big today, I was never expecting a double, but thought of that 170 odd he scored against Bangladesh on WC opener. He was talking about taking responsibility and when ever there is criticism Sehwag responds well with the bat.

    It appears even though he was hitting fours and sixes, it was an unhurried innings, just like he plays his Test triple hundreds.

    Tendulkar’s record is broken, and incredibly this must be a rarity, because his records are in volumes, most Test hundreds, most ODI hundreds, most runs in both format, so on ..

    Anyhow, the pitch is dead flat, and I don’t like matches like this, WI lost 3 wickets and it is impossible to start a chase staring at 8 runs plus an over. It is impossible even for 5 runs per over once you tuk tuk in middle overs and let it go to 8 runs per over ;), so if they tuk tuk then it will go to 10 or 12 an over.

    Congratulations to Sehwag, but I think some Indians will be sad Tendulkar’s record is broken.

  269. #269 by NewGuy on December 8, 2011 - 2:12 PM

    JAK,

    Yes, I am now eating my words on Sehwag, but I am also happy he did bat well, because he was not putting effort, like taken WI for granted and playing without focus.

    I am also in good company since you had to chew your words on Tendulkar double 🙂

  270. #270 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 2:36 PM

    Newguy

    Apart from the “hitting good balls for four and six ability and scoring well against good bowlers ability” Sehwag is very much like SRT with the exception that because of his risky style he is prone to getting out.

    But talent wise there is not a great deal of difference.

    He holds his own and is a world class batsman in his own right.

  271. #271 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 3:08 PM

    Whether this knock is better than 200 by tendulkar, i dont know bakoz i havent seen either?

    The best odi century for me was gilly’s century in 07 wc final. He had a poor tournament yet he played a magical knock and that too in a final.

    Still, kudos 2 sehwag.

  272. #272 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 4:35 PM

    NewGuy

    I have always said that tendulkar is a good player BUT he is NOT the best, so there is no chewing the cud in my case !

    The good thing about this innings of Sehwag is, it wasn’t slogging, he was hitting a six or a four and then taking a single. So, that was intelligent cricket.

    I have always, always emphasized that if Pakistan needs to take advantage of Shahid Afridi, he must open the innings in T20 and ODI both. Especially in the T20 when he comes late, there is hardly any time left to judge a ball or two i.e., how the pitch is behaving and he has to hit a six on the first ball i.e., the expectation from people.

    Besides, Shahid Afridi does not have the temperament to stay long, as soon as he reaches his 100 he gets out. If he ever plays all the 50 overs he might score 275-280 or even 300 but, that is just like “Mujh ko Chaand la kay do” Somebody will bring Shoaib Malik to him (Shoaib’s nick name at home is moon – translated from Chanda – this is not a joke but for real.)

  273. #273 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 4:50 PM

    10dulkar must be wondering why he wasnt selected

    absolute belter of a track, made purely for runs

    but then again he couldnt make a 100 at wankhede when it was a batting paradise!

  274. #274 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 4:53 PM

    lol 😆

    hillary clinton doing job of pk state ministry. shes telling media zardari will rejoin as hes having medical checkups.

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/08/clinton-expects-ailing-zardari-to-return.html

  275. #275 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 6:50 PM

    Zen

    I have seen highlights of both SRT’s and Sehwag’s knocks but the SRT wins here.

    Tougher opposition and more ingenious strokes.

    Having said that I have rarely seen Sehwag bat better. However if you look at the bowling in this match it was terrible. Most of the runs Sehwag scored came from balls outside leg stump, a lot of full tosses outside leg stump and those kinds of easy balls.

  276. #276 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 6:56 PM

    What they said about Sehwag’s 219:

    “Wow, Test match tomorrow but am still up watching Virender Sehwag score, hopefully, 200. Unreal, and he does [get the] highest ever. Well done mate.”

    Australia’s David Warner on Twitter

    “If you are a cricket fan, please switch your TV’s on right now and watch a genius bat… Sehwag destroying the WI… World record coming…”
    England batsman Kevin Pietersen on Twitter

    “When Viv Richards retired I thought it was end of entertainment. But then came Sehwag, the King of entertainment! Long live the King!!”
    TV commentator and former Pakistan captain Ramiz Raja on Twitter

    “I am very happy for Viru. It is even more satisfying that an Indian has broken my record.”

    Sachin Tendulkar, the only other batsman to have hit an ODI double-ton to date

  277. #277 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 7:07 PM

    I am embarrassed because of my interest in the Pakistani cricket team watching Indian batsmen play fearlessly and selflessly.

    I am embarrassed watching West Indian tailenders showing aggression even when facing obvious defeat.

    I hope Pakistani team management learns something. If you want to live, you fight and try to conquer. If you die, you die fighting.

  278. #278 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 7:10 PM

    England will be ‘real test’ – Afridi

    Shahid Afridi is expecting England to be a “real test” for Pakistan when they arrive in UAE next month although Pakistan’s recent form against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh will leave them in good heart ahead of the opening Test in Dubai on January 17.

    On the eve of their Test series against Bangladesh, Pakistan have won every trophy that has been available to them since sharing the Tests against West Indies, in the Caribbean, last May. However, that has included success against lower-ranked opponents including Ireland, Zimbabwe and now a struggling Bangladesh.

    Afridi won’t be part of the Test team having retired from the format but is back as a key member of the limited-overs outfits and is aware that the visit of England will be step up from their recent opposition. England are ranked No. 1 in both Tests and Twenty20 although remain mid-table in 50-over cricket following their 5-0 whitewash against India.

    “Winning (throughout the year) gave us a momentum and moral is high,” Afridi told reporters at airport on his return from Dhaka. “We have developed a winning unit but it will be exciting when we face England and that would be a real test. Playing against team like England or Australia is very exciting and then we will see where we stand.”

  279. #279 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 8:06 PM

    Zen

    I think the team that will dominate in the Pakistan England series in UAE will be the one that bats better.

    If you consider the Test squad then Pakistan will have Ajmal, Rehman and Hafeez as spinners. They are a capable trio. England will have Swann and one more spinner- perhaps Panesar or someone else. Spin-wise Pakistan have a slight edge.

    In pace bowling they are probably equal. Pakistan has more talent when it comes to Cheema and Junaid but England’s pacers are in form. Plus Pakistan will definitely have trouble playing bounce and pace and I think most England bowlers now bowl over 85 mph.

    So, it all boils down to batting and this is where Pakistan will struggle.

    I have checked the stats for Strauss, Cook, Bell and Pietersen and 3 of them average over 40 in India which is the nearest pitch they have played to if you consider UAE pitches (since England have never played Tests in UAE before).

    You can forget about Pakistani openers playing bounce and pace well, so it will again be up to Younis and Azhar Ali to contribute with runs and Misbah to block.

    So don’t expect a Sehwagesque approach to Pakistan’s batting because Misbah will very much be a key player as the only other two batsmen are Younis and Azhar.

  280. #280 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 8:11 PM

    Zen

    My prediction for the Pakistan England Test series result is 0-0. Misbah will average over 45 and his strike rate will be between 35 and 50.

    ODI series result will be 2-2. The two matches Pakistan win will be where their spinners get England bowled out for less than 200.

    T20 will be 2-1 in favour of Pakistan.

    And once again Misbah will be praised for being dominant, for drawing the Test series, for drawing ODI series and for winning T20.

    T20 will be won because of unplayable T20 bowling of Gul, Afridi and Ajmal.

  281. #281 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 8:20 PM

    KS

    I think pkistan may lose the test serires- in a 3 test series, team that wins first test gets a head start.

    pakistan’s batting is vulnerable and once it comes under pressure, it will buckle down.

    panesar has been selected and so I feel engfland are taking this tour very seriously.

    england look more hungry for success than pakistan

    they know they will be under the radar after drubbing India. pk even if they lose would be excused on the pretext that they havent lost for quite sometime.

    ultimately first test would decide course of the series.

  282. #282 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 8:25 PM

    KS

    I thuink there will be a little more pressure on 10duolkar as indians would be more keyed up for him to break record since sehwag has set the dice rolling.

    in hindsight, he should have played odis against west indies. it would have given him confidence. for some reason, i feel this theory of dropping him for odis is backfiring.

    anyway, he needs to get this thing done asap.

  283. #283 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 8:41 PM

    Zen

    Yeah, the pressure will be on him. Not only will they expect him to score that 100 now, they will also expect him to tear the bowling apart.

  284. #284 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 8:48 PM

    Zen

    What you are predicting may be the outcome but I still feel that it won’t be that easy for England.

    Firstly, England don’t play like a top 3 team when they play outside England. They play worse outside home than any other Test team.

    Secondly they are vulnerable against spin and Ajmal I imagine will be quite threatening.

    Thirdly they have never played a Test in UAE and Pakistan are very well versed with the conditions there. It is almost like home conditions for them.

    I think Gul, Cheema and Junaid are capable enough to take top order wickets and then the spinners are capable of taking middle order wickets.

    The real Test for Pakistan is whether they can manage a score of 300 or even 275 against a decent pace attack.

    Swann and Panesar in theory can be threatening but a spinner can be very ineffective if the conditions don’t suit, and England have very little idea of how the conditions are going to be. At least pace bowlers have the facility of bowling with the new ball which very rarely does not seam.

  285. #285 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 8:52 PM

    So Misbah’s negative mindset aside, I think the team has enough potential to threaten England.

    England outside England are worse than, say, Australia in India, or South Africa in Sri Lanka.

    Sri Lanka have had a bad year in Tests with Dilshan and Jayawerdene being out of form, and some England batsmen might continue with their poor form following the India series.

  286. #286 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 9:27 PM

    Ks

    england need to score 350 runs / innings. If they can get that,which they can paki batting lineup will crumble.

    So dont take it for granted that pk will win.

  287. #287 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 9:31 PM

    Zen

    I am not saying Pakistan is good enough to win, I am saying they are good enough to draw.

    England are not that great outside home and this is their biggest disadvantage. They have NEVER played in UAE.

  288. #288 by Zen on December 8, 2011 - 9:41 PM

    Ks

    australia beat pk 3-0 in uae in 02. So its possible. Remember england is no1 and pk doesnt have batting depth.

  289. #289 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 9:42 PM

    Zen

    England perform badly whenever they play on alien surfaces.

    I have checked their record over the past 3 years and the only overseas tours they have done well in have been in New Zealand or Australia.

    They lost to West Indies in WI, they lost to India in India (twice in the past 3 years), they lost to Sri Lanka in SL.

    So if they can lose to West Indies and Sri Lanka at home, they can also lose to Pakistan.

    I am not saying Pakistan will win because the team management does not have killer instinct at the moment, but I think they are capable enough to draw.

  290. #290 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 9:44 PM

    Zen

    Australia will beat Pakistan any time in a Test match because Pakistan has a mental block against them.

    Australia have humiliated them for more than a decade now and this seemed to start from the World Cup 1999 defeat.

    I am sure a 2nd string Australian team can whitewash Pakistan anywhere in the world.

  291. #291 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 10:08 PM

    LOL ub tou Sehwag ki dry pitch per ghaas bhee ugg rehi hai Waqar should have noticed before there was not “A” hair on Sehwag’s firm “heads on his shoulders” . ………….. i.e., since his hair transplant. 😀

    For a test match Pakistan team has no depth in batting and bowling department. England despite having no experience of playing a test in the UAE must win 3-0 easily. As regards ODI and T20 if any, PK will give tough time to England, still it will not be an easy task for Pakistan to beat the current England team especially if KP is playing.

    On Tendulkar and Sehwag:

    Both opened the innings, one remained not out after playing for 50 overs and scored 200, whereas the other was out in the 46th over and scored 219 runs, had he continued he may have scored 250

  292. #292 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 8, 2011 - 10:10 PM

    Zen

    i.e., bakaoz hill-ree considers PK as the 53rd state.

    Sarah Pailin aur Hina Khar ki jori salamat rehay dono hee DODO hain.

  293. #293 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 10:13 PM

    JAK

    On Tendulkar and Sehwag:

    One thrashed Steyn, the other thrashed unknowns

    One hit shots on otherwise decent balls, the other scored a lot on wides and full tosses.

    One played a better ODI team, other played a minnow

    😀

  294. #294 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 10:14 PM

    JAK

    Never underestimate the power of TUK TUK and the draws that produces.

    TUK TUK against Swann will give Misbah his draws.

  295. #295 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 10:31 PM

    LOL Panesar has a bowling strike rate or 100+ in India and Sri Lanka.

    Tuk Tuk will get the draw against Panesar.

    All Misbah needs to do is tuk tuk 100 balls 😀

  296. #296 by NewGuy on December 8, 2011 - 10:57 PM

    A few thoughts on Sehwag double.

    I do rate Tendulkar double higher.

    For many reasons, being the first one to an untouched peak is always first, once someone has done it others have a map or blue print on how to do it. Tendulkar did it extreme calculation on how to pace an ODI innings. Tendulkar is a master at pacing an ODI innings, notwithstanding his pressure handling skills, there is only Bevan, and Dhoni who are probably better at finishing the game. But for opening and setting an ODI innings Tendulkar is way up there.

    Opposition quality was much higher. South Africa is tougher opponent, they don’t drop catches, and they field very sharp. Not to speak of Steyn and Morkel are better than Roach and Rampaul.

    Both pitches were flat, but this was smaller.

    Not to take anything from Sehwag, who batted brilliant. But I have to agree Tendulkar double being the first one is always the hardest, and opposition quality was better.

  297. #297 by NewGuy on December 8, 2011 - 11:04 PM

    England will compete harder in Tests, they are of course #1 and this is the first real tour after getting this status, and they need to show they are the #1. They will play out of their skins.

    In ODI, they are crap, KP is the only solid batsman, they struggle against spin, and their swing bowlers won’t find mojo in the desert. I expect Pakistan to draw the tests, Misbah will be the key here as he can do tuk tuk in tests, and draw. Who knows if Misbah can tuk tuk for two days and get a decent score, then spinners might even bundle out England twice for a win. This will be huge for Misbah and Pakistan.

  298. #298 by NewGuy on December 8, 2011 - 11:19 PM

    JK,

    When I said you have also eaten your words, that was in reference to the comment you made a while back, before Tendulkar got his double, we had some discussion here one day who will get it, I think it was after that 175 Sachin scored against Australia chasing 350. I recall you said, Tendulkar will not score a double, I guarantee it, it will either Sehwag or Gayle. I am paraphrasing, those were not your exact words, but you were so sure of it since you thought Sachin will get out before the big landmark. Then he proved everyone wrong and got there first.

    As for the best, I know your views, and I too have never said so and so is best and what not.

    Anyway, whether you remember or not, or care to admit it, is fine with me.

  299. #299 by Sentinel Prime on December 8, 2011 - 11:25 PM

    Newguy

    I am also not taking anything away from Sehwag. If Sehwag was only a little more consistent in ODI’s I might have rated him as good as SRT.

    But if you watch his innings, just see how many shots he has played off wides, full tosses and balls which are asking to be hit.

    I admit that sometimes bowlers lose the plot if batsmen are so dominating, but South Africa vs Tendulkar kept the bowling much tighter. As he often does, he was creating strokes, whereas Sehwag was hitting bad balls mostly.

    So, no question that SRT’s innings was superior. But then again, if someone asks you who is most likely to score a 200 or the fastest 300 in Tests, you will say Sehwag, not Tendulkar.

  300. #300 by NewGuy on December 9, 2011 - 12:27 AM

    KS,

    Yeah, I saw the highlights, and saw how many bad balls were bowled at Sehwag today, and I was also alarmed at how small the boundary was. It was a 400 run stadium, if I recall correctly this is the same place where India scored 414 against SL, and SL replied with 411, with Dilshan scoring 160.

    Again, like you, not taking away from Sehwag today, but as you said SA attack was tighter, I saw that match from when Tendulkar was 120 odd or so all the way to the end, so, I remember it was tougher than Sehwag innings today.

  301. #301 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2011 - 2:17 AM

    Newguy

    Honestly, I don’t remember saying that, but if you remember it perhaps you are right and I believe you.

    There are so many players who crossed the 180 landmark and among them Tendulkar was already there but, he got out. Dhoni, Viv Richards and may be someone else scored in the 180’s. Saeed Anwar was the only one to cross 190 and he was out on 194 then that Zimbabwean player who could have easily made the first 200 remained not out on 194, Saeed’s record was broken then.

    Based on Tendulkar’s tendency to get stuck in 90’s, I may have said he cannot score a double hundred because, it was a bigger milestone and be it 90’s or 190’s Tendulkar has the tendency to get stuck and it is a very, very well known thing. Whereas, Sehwag celebrates his hundreds with a SIX and, Gayle was probably the first player in T20 to score a hundred and that too at a great pace. Gilly has retired, McCullum and Afridi are big hitters but, its a BIG, BIG, IF for both of them. Especially Afridi does not have the temperament and, Afridi can score another fast 100 in ODI or in T20 but, only if he opens the innings. And, 200 is way out of his style. So, all those things were on my mind and I may have said that about Tendulkar.

    You guys keep taking away the credit from Sehwag by comparing his innings with Tendulkar and also say: ‘but you CANNOT take away’ from Sehwag (it is like a Teep Ka Bandh) don’t forget Sehwag also scored triple century twice in test matches and his second one was against South Africa and that too against good fast bowlers and on a BETTER TRACK than this. So, please STOP this COMPARISON BUSINESS, I really feel sorry for the guy that his efforts are always SECOND BEST in your books. Be it Sehwag or Lara, they don’t get credit. Anyways, take that Lara thing out of this discussion otherwise we will drift into another long debate.

    Whenever Sehwag scored big or scored fast, India has won be it test, ODI or T20. We all know in how many matches Tendulkar scored a hundred or a ninety and the team lost. So, the guy is a match winner.

    In Pakistan, Inzamam and Afridi have played the same role, Inzi somehow got the credit but not Afridi. khansahab, how many more MoM awards Afridi needs to be the top man for Pakistan winning that award?

  302. #302 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2011 - 2:20 AM

    “This Guy Pattinson” is proving to be a good fast bowler for Australia, he took 5 wickets on his debut and already took 3 so far. NZ is crumbling @ 84/6 and they seems to be totally lost or whatever, because they don’t put up any fight these days.

  303. #303 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2011 - 2:49 AM

    khansahab

    You may call West Indies ‘a minnow’ but, 2 days ago the same WI team defeated the same Indian side.

    SA fast bowlers are world class bowlers but, Sehwag thrashed them in Chennai when he scored his second 300 in test

    SA fast bowler Shaun Pollock was reduced to a spinner in Sri Lanka

    Once again in 2006 when Jayawardene scored 374 and Sangakara’s double ton, SA had Styen, Nel, Ntini and some other well known bowler. Sri Lanka scored 700 plus runs.

  304. #304 by NewGuy on December 9, 2011 - 3:50 AM

    JK,

    I understand what you are saying about the big hitters, no doubt Sehwag made the double look easy, similarly Gayle would have too. I am not sure about McCullum or Afridi these days. McCullum seems to be a bit lost. Afridi these days is a bowler, and he is not focused on batting. If he opens, then he will have to focus on more batting practice, in the nets, that means taking time away from his bowling practice, that may impact his bowling. As for Afridi, his batting is a bonus, these days.

    Coming back to the comparison, I am not really comparing and diluting what Sehwag did by setting a record 219 score, that too with 3.3 overs still to go. This is incredible, even with small grounds and rubbish bowling. Everyone else came close only because they were running out of overs, even Tendulkar did in the 50th over with just 3 balls to go I think. Dhoni was hogging all the strike and people felt Tendulkar may not get. Tendulkar also slowed down as he reached 200, where as Sehwag just went four fours and sixes. That all makes Sehwag different.

    But, I think the reactions overall are a bit subdued, either that or I have not read a lot of press. After the Tendulkar double there was a lot of media hoopla, even for many weeks after.

    I think in general cricketing world / media gets hyped up about Tendulkar and his records, when it comes to others it is always bit subdued. It seems there is a bias even in media, and I mean even non-Indian media hypes Tendulkar more than others. May be like Khansahab says, Tendulkar creates shots that have some inherent beauty? Personally I think Tendulkar’s stroke play is more aesthetic to watch then Sehwag or Gayle. Lara of course created beautiful shots. Ponting again is not so pleasing on the eye.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that for the purists, Tendulkar’s shots are poetry, his straight drives, the punch off the back foot, the clips off middle to on side, so on .. therefore he is always praised by the purists.

  305. #305 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 6:54 AM

    its true media hypes 10dulkar records and performances!

    evidence is here in the comments section

    nobody knows the name of the zimbabwean player who scored 194 not out

    had it been indian specially like 10dulkar it would have been rainin praise

    i guess thats one prime reason 10dulkar gets nervy- too much media focus

    its a travesty sehwag is not getting a lot of praise, then again indians seem mainly primed for 10dulkar geting 100 100.

    like any achievement gets overshadowed just bakaoz of over focus on him.

    i think england will be a tough nut to crack and they r world no1

    pk batting rraely scores 350+ so u need to score something like that to win or even to draw.

    I feel england will puncture this hollow armor of draws- some team definitely will!

    then it would be ” GHAZAB HOYU RAMA ZULAM HOYU RAMA!”

    likes of swann, anderson are wicket takers, something pk has yet to face in their recent encounters.

  306. #306 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 6:58 AM

    bangus are 85/7 and reallyyyy strugglingggg………….

    cheema, junaid, ajmal take wkts

    it looks max they will get is 150

    so another mishap for bangladesh?

  307. #307 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 7:08 AM

    sehwag scored these runs while capataining the side

    so the notion that captaincy affects his performance doesnt hold ground

    and his record also holds more weightage as he was also the captain

  308. #308 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 7:14 AM

    Is australia improving as a pace unit.

    thats what andy zaltz says at cricinfo

    Australia’s bowlers have taken 15 top-5 wickets in 330 balls this series. A year ago in Brisbane, they took 1 in 918 balls. Funny old game.

    Beware India!

  309. #309 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:18 AM

    JAK

    Unfortunately this has now become another Tendulkar debate. The blame goes to Zen who raised this question of whether SRT’s innings was better of Sehwag’s 😉

    When Pakistan defeated WI earlier this year we labelled WI a minnow. They are minnows; if they beat India in one or two matches it doesn’t change that. Bangladesh are getting slaughtered by Pakistan at the moment but Bangladesh defeated England in the WC earlier this year. Maybe West Indies should be correctly labelled a “weak team” rather than a minnow technically, but I think the implication is the same.

    I never said that Sehwag is incapable of thrashing good bowlers, because I remember his 300 and I also remember his many innings against Pakistani bowlers.

    The bowling to Sehwag was frankly so wayward that I feel Bangladesh’s pace attack is more potent.

  310. #310 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:23 AM

    JAK

    No one is trying to take any credit away from Sehwag.

    The comparison business was started by Zen, not by me or Newguy.

    Be it Hayden, Jayasuria or Sehwag, most openers tend to win matches when they score. It is an occupational hazard which middle order players don’t benefit from necessarily.

    Every opener has a high ratio of winning matches whenever he has scored. This is not to undermine Sehwag’s obvious class but in Tests it is not appropriate to compare Sehwag and Tendulkar’s match winning ability. Tendulkar can be compared with Ponting and Lara and you may conclude with more merit that he was inferior when it came to match winning ability.

  311. #311 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:26 AM

    Zen

    Well, I think New Zealand is currently the same standard of West Indies.

    I don’t think Australian pace attack will be that effective against better teams.

  312. #312 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 9:37 AM

    Qibla

    kya hogaya? Itni wazahat!

    Yes i did raise thd issue but u could have ignored it.once u comment ovr a comment, u should defend what u say.

    There r 3 aspects vis a vis my comment.

    1. It was a query, and i clearly say that IMO gilly’s knock was the best.so to say i started the debate aint entirely correct.
    Yet if thats the perception,its ok 😀

    2. Nobody discusd gilly’s knock,so why zen ??

    3. Finally,neguy’s version is that media aint giving enough response so perhaps i raised a valid question.

    Anyway, my comment aint a memogate. Discuss and debate,we r not here to discuss weather 😉

  313. #313 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 9:42 AM

    Naji na

    aust pace attack gave tough time to south africa and they r a top side.hence their bowling is to be takn seriously.

  314. #314 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 11:57 AM

    we are here to debate abt cricket!

    only 2 guys have made doble century in odi’s so why shouildnt we discuss quality of the two

    btw, ks it struck me later that there was another reason for mention of 10dulkar double hundred

    u talk about it a lot. u mention the fact that steyn was nullified by him that day. even when we taslk abt test match knocks ,u mention that knock!

    i think jak is more upset with the fact that 10dulkar’s knock is considered better than sehwag’s knock. i previously said that i rate gilly’s 150 odd higher than these two.

    to score a big hundred in wc final specially if ur struggling aint easy. whats happened is it ended up as a two way discussion rather than a 3 way.

    Anyway, still i dont find anything wrong. if we just comment here and dont debate then ill start yawning!

    yeah if it becomes something repetitve like the mishap semi debate, then perhaps one should feel tired.

    and finally i ended my comment with crediting sehwag and i think jak is not only one who feels a little cross. as newguy says media is not giving it a very hi profile coverage.

    maybe, if it was 10dulkar we would have seen an avalanche of praise.

    2 odi double hundreds, 100’s of 100’s etc.

    there is some prejudice in the media as if 10dulkar is the darling!

  315. #315 by NewGuy on December 9, 2011 - 1:42 PM

    Zen,

    Gilly’s 140 odd against SL in WC final of course was a great knock, one of the finest, as was Ponting’s 140 against Indian in ’03 final.

    But, what is your point? these doubles are not the greatest in terms of context, so why bother comparing them to regular hundreds.

    Gilly as everyone know is one of the greatest destroyers of bowling, and part of the great Australian team that rolled over opponents. Something that allowed Ponting to look like super man captain.

  316. #316 by NewGuy on December 9, 2011 - 1:44 PM

    Zen,

    I already tried to answer why Tendulkar is given more importance by media and experts, his batting in terms of it’s purity is masterful than anyone else’s. KS has written in detail about this.

  317. #317 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2011 - 2:38 PM

    khansahab

    You have mentioned that ‘every opener has a high ration of winning matches whenever he has scored.’ your statement is restricted to Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gayle etc., or, Jayasuriya, Gilly, Hayden and Saeed Anwar in the past were regular openers in the ODI’s. Whereas, Inzamam never opened, Lara never opened, Shahid Afridi’s first 100/37 was scored from number 3 position and Afridi has also won many matches from lower middle order position, so this claim does not hold enough waters that only openers have this privilege, yes I do agree with you that they have a better or higher ration than others. But, coming back to Tendulkar’s many hundreds and nineties did not result in match winning innings for India.

    I wonder how Sri Lanka managed to make score that huge total of 952/6 against India in 1997 which is still a world record? I am sure it was a ‘flate traje.’ Bakaoz, in the same match India replied with a 500 plus total with three centurian batsmen and one of them was Tendulkar’s the result of the match was a MISHAP.

  318. #318 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2011 - 2:59 PM

    Zen

    I am not upset or cross at these guys for making it a comparison between Sehwag and Tendulkar but, I feel sorry for Sehwag that his world record and his batting prowess has been subdued because there is a god of big things out there in the cricketing world who is worshiped so much that no one can be better than him, even when he proves that he out performed the other. Never mind this parastish bazi will continue there will be gods and there will be gods of lesser ‘worship’, like Arundhati Roy’s “The gods of small things”.

    The first time I saw Sehwag in action was when India played against Pakistan in the WC in SA, in which Saeed Anwer scored a century for Pakistan and, the total was in 260-270 I guess which was not bad considering the Pak team had the so-called “Sultan of Swings” Wasim, Waqar plus THE ACTOR in their bowling artillery and they were at their prime pounding their 8mm Howitzer. Sehwag and Tendulkar came in and in 5 overs they scored 45 runs and both hitting a SIX each, one off Wasim and the other off Actor and the match was lost in the first 5 overs.

    Before the start of the match I was told by someone sitting next to me that “this new opener” with Tendulkar is very aggressive and very good, even that person did not remember Sehwag’s name at that time and that is why he said, new opener. Also, I remember Imran Khan mispronouncing Sehwag’s name on several occasions by calling him SHEWAG. If Imran can call Sehwag as Shewag then Waqar has all the right to call Mohammad Jayasuriya, Danish Vittori and, this man Robin is a good Batman (Robin Uthappa) and not to mention the crown of YOUNGSTA BEAUTY, which is too heavy on suckmal’s head.

  319. #319 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2011 - 3:03 PM

    Newguy

    On McCullum and Afridi I agree with you on what you have said above, but I have also raised my doubts about them and mentioned the reasons. Like I have said, they may score another fast hundred but, a double ton is not possible for them.

    May be one day Misbah might score a double hundred in T20 😀

  320. #320 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 9, 2011 - 3:11 PM

    WAQFA BARAI JOKE & SOME MOTIVATION FOR DESIS IN THE UK

    Desi beggars in London

    Parvinder and Habib are beggars

    They beg in different areas of London ..

    Parvinder begs just as long as Habib but only collects £2 to £3 every day.

    Habib brings home a suitcase FULL of £10 notes, drives a Mercedes, lives
    in a mortgage-free house and has a lot of money to spend.

    Parvinder says to Habib ‘I work just as long and hard as you do but how do
    you bring home a suitcase full of £10 notes every day?’

    Habib says, ‘Look at your sign, what does it say’?

    Parvinder’s sign reads ‘I have no work, a wife and 6 kids to support’…

    Habib says ‘No wonder you only get £2- £3

    Parvinder says… ‘So what does your sign say’?
    Habib shows Parvinder his sign…….

    It reads:…….

    ‘I only need another £10 to move back to Pakistan ‘.

  321. #321 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 6:00 PM

    qibla

    jak is not upset, u can make any comparison! 😀

    jak, Im agree; may be children of a lesser god would have been more apt

    i think ks mentioned the fact that commentator got upset when sehwag broke 10dulkar record.

  322. #322 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 6:20 PM

    NEWGUY

    im pasting my comments to ilustrate my point

    comment no 271

    Whether this knock is better than 200 by tendulkar, i dont know bakoz i havent seen either?

    The best odi century for me was gilly’s century in 07 wc final. He had a poor tournament yet he played a magical knock and that too in a final.

    Still, kudos 2 sehwag.

    well, what one can infer from this comment

    the author just states his preference- its that simple!

    he gives a couple of reasons and does rate context highly, but whats the tone of the comment?

    innocuous, candid or devious, controversial.

    inspite of praising a past knock, hes living in the moment and parising sehwag- current performer. where is he inviting comparison?

    hes happy with sehwag and acknowledges 10dulkar’s great knock thats why they r mentioned.

    now if such harmless comments yield a DOMINO EFFECT; it aint his fault.

    BTW if every sentence typed here is supposed to have some reason, then one should better read philosophy; its supposed to be fun here, isnt it?

    so when leisure was supposed to always make sense!

    now onto the 10dulkar media thing

    i completely disgaqree with the notion that mastery of batting makes 10dulkar media’s favorite.

    frankly, media is biased. charles coventry ( who is he?) hardly even got mentioned.

    i dont think ks has addressed this issue to the degree you are refering.

    its pure bias… sorry ill call a spade a spade!

    there is no compulsion!

    if one agrees nice, if one disagrees nice!

    i mean if a man breaks a world record and its not appreciated coz a favorite had that record is disappointing!

  323. #323 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 8:29 PM

    Zen

    You raised the question of which knock is better bakaoz you claimed not to have seen either. So, having seen highlights of both I gave my opinion. I have not seen Gilchrist’s knock, so cannot comment.

    I have seen British and Indian media channels giving good coverage to Sehwag’s record.

  324. #324 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 8:31 PM

    Well i never seriously meant comparison of the 2 double 100’s but this man looks serious.

    now please dont say that I started the comparison business

    Never Mind! 😆

    http://thecricketwindow.blogspot.com/2011/12/sehwag-200-vs-sachin-200.html

  325. #325 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 8:34 PM

    Yup

    I did raise the query, and yes you gave your opinion. But then I dont understand the comparison business!

    my query was meant to give my preference for that knock a background. It was more of a prelude as great odi knocks were being discused.

    it would have looked weird had i only mentioned gilly’s knock w/o discussing the 2 odi 200’s

  326. #326 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 8:35 PM

    Zen

    There is a physical aspect to the game and the mental aspect.

    Tendulkar’s stroke creation ability is good whether that happens in ODI or Tests.

    If you are discussing great Test knocks I will obviously not mention SRT’s 200 but if you are talking about pure batsmanship it has to be mentioned.

    Physical aspect is present in both formats equally but mental aspect is present more in Tests. I comment on the physical aspect when I speak about the 200.

  327. #327 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 8:37 PM

    yeah he’s getting good coverage.

    question is is there pride over an achievement or anguish over a record lost!

    impetus i got from ur cricinfo comment and newguy’s comment.

    plus jak also echoes the same sentiment.

  328. #328 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 8:39 PM

    KS

    thatrs more like it!

    speak ur mind man, we all look at things differently.

    In hindsight its good that this episode occurred as it dents the notion we have a covert alliance

    yeah, correct about physical and mental aspect!

    i agree on your view abiut his stroke creation ability.

  329. #329 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 8:40 PM

    Newguy

    When you talk about the entire execution of the shot then Ponting has the best pull shot, Dravid has the best cover drive, Jayasuria had the best leg side flicks etc.

    However what I like about SRT is how he gets into the position of playing the shot. It is almost like how he knows where the ball will be pitched.

  330. #330 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 8:50 PM

    JAK

    Inzamam and Lara were fighters and pressure players, this is a quality SRT does not have. I have always agreed with you, Sagaat and Zen about this.

    I said that openers have a higher ratio of winning matches than middle order batsmen. You are saying this claim does not hold enough water. Afridi, Razzzq, Dhoni etc, these guys are a different category to Inzamam/Lara/Tendulkar because they have a different role and bat lower down.

    I never said that lower middle order batsmen don’t win matches.

  331. #331 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:04 PM

    JAK

    Good joke about the beggars.

  332. #332 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 9:07 PM

    Qibla

    u didnt watch the 07 final?

  333. #333 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:14 PM

    Zen

    Who cares about the minnows.

    I couldn’t care less who Charles Coventry is and what he achieved vs another minnow.

  334. #334 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 9:20 PM

    Well if 10dulkar gets 250 in an odi against a minnow,will u ignore it or marvel at his strokeplay?

  335. #335 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:28 PM

    Zen

    Yes, unfortunately Indians will be upset if Sehwag, Dravid or Laxman outperform SRT or break his record.

    But, that doesn’t make Sehwag’s knock superior than SRT’s. It is one thing to express anguish over a broken record and another to say that the knock was better.

  336. #336 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:29 PM

    If 2 minnows are playing the match will not receive significance.

    If Tendulkar is playing then yes it will be appreciated although not as much as hitting 200 against a Steyn-led attack.

  337. #337 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:31 PM

    Zen

    No, I didn’t watch the WC 2007 final. I don’t even remember who the other finalist was.

    I guess I was too dismayed at Inzamam’s pathetic captaincy and Pakistan team.

  338. #338 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 9:44 PM

    Qibla

    it was sri lanka. The way malinga and murali were smacked for sixes,i still relish it

    u know ks,thats where i feel ur more patriotic than me. U felt so bitter u stopped watching while i watched.

    Did u see the 03 final?

  339. #339 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:47 PM

    Inzamam’s pathetic performance in WC 2007 still made him a hero. For 2 years he was playing Test cricket just to break a record despite his substandard performances, but he was still a hero.

    Afridi’s heroic WC 2011 performance made him a villain and a mediocre and negative player was awarded captaincy who ironically lost the WC for Pakistan.

    Strange how things work in Pakistan.

  340. #340 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:48 PM

    I don’t remember who played Australia in the 2003 final. LOL.

    I think it might have been India.

  341. #341 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:49 PM

    If Malinga was smacked I should have seen that knock.

    Javelin thrower Malinga.

  342. #342 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 9:52 PM

    Qibla

    rite now im too jaded to discuss superiority of the two knocks. Plus i havent seen either knock but i have pasted a link where writer says both r equal.

  343. #343 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 9:54 PM

    Oh come on

    inzy was decent player.tell me how he fared last 2 yrs?

  344. #344 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 9:57 PM

    Ys,it was india

    so u did watch eh?

    Wel u would never miss india 😉

    pounting gave them a pounding.

  345. #345 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:57 PM

    Zen

    I have read 3 paragraphs of that article and I don’t want to read further because it is a very ordinary analysis.

    A strike rate of 150 vs South Africa is arguably better than a SR of 180 vs West Indies, for example.

  346. #346 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 9:59 PM

    I didn’t watch the 2003 final but it rang a bell from somewhere.

  347. #347 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 10:00 PM

    Zen

    Not long ago I revealed that Inzamam averaged 38 in his 2nd last year of Test cricket and 30 in his last year.

    Pretty low for a player averaging 50 in his career.

  348. #348 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 10:01 PM

    Inzamam was a good player. I just said he was pathetic in his final 2 years.

  349. #349 by Sentinel Prime on December 9, 2011 - 10:02 PM

    OK I’m going now.

    Takecare and sweet Veena dreams 😀

    Muth karo Veena sey itna pyaar.

  350. #350 by Zen on December 9, 2011 - 10:06 PM

    I agree

    blog is average-an attempt to show both knocks equal

    inzy so pathetic,i cant believe it.

    Yawn!

    Seu snday

  351. #351 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 1:04 AM

    Can’t believe how Australia has suddenly crumbled like a cookie against NZ bowlers and a total of 150 looks very big now. This is cricket. And, you never know what will happen in the second innings.

  352. #352 by NewGuy on December 10, 2011 - 2:45 AM

    I read one very good comparison of the two double hundreds here:

    http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=MIRRORNEW&BaseHref=MMIR/2011/12/09&PageLabel=1&EntityId=Ar00100&ViewMode=HTML

    Something that really project out to me when looking at the table at the bottom.

    Statistics sometimes tells you many things. See here:

    Tendulkar
    1st 50 37 b
    2nd 50 53 b
    3rd 50 28 b
    4th 50 29 b

    Sehwag
    1st 50 41 b
    2nd 50 28 b
    3rd 50 43 b
    4th 50 28 b

    What does this tell you?

    See more here:

    Tendulkar
    1st 100 90 b
    2nd 100 57 b

    Sehwag
    1st 100 69 b
    2nd 100 71 b

    See what I mean. Tendulkar hit a 90 ball hundred, then a 57 ball second hundred. Sehwag scored both hundreds in about equal balls, 69 1st and 71 2nd.

    This is after Tendulkar got a fast 37 ball 50, compared to Sehwag’s 41 ball 50. Tendulkar slowed down from 50 to 100, presumably to reach his hundred. Where as Sehwag slowed down after first hundred, presumably he was tired and took a breather and wanted to stay on, so took a bit of rest. But Sehwag blasted from 50 to 100 in 28 balls, where Tendulkar too 53 balls.

    This tells us why Tendulkar has more hundreds than anyone else, he makes sure he gets the hundred by playing safe after crossing 50, 60, 70, so on ..

    We see that Tendulkar was capable of scoring a 57 ball second hundred. This is just last year. The guy can still score a 57 ball hundred, as his 2nd hundred came in that many balls only. Why doesn’t he then score his first hundred always like that. Because he is worried about losing out.

    Food for thought.

  353. #353 by NewGuy on December 10, 2011 - 2:50 AM

    I made a lengthy post, it seems to have not made it. I cannot type all that again, which is a shame.

    JK / KS, if you have this post where in the inbox please post it.

    Basically it shows Tendulkar after scoring a fast 50 from 37 balls slowed down for his first hundred, taking 90 balls for his first hundred, then he ballasted to a 57 balls second hundred. Where as Sehwag did it in equal measure 69 for first hundred and 71 for second hundred. Sehwag slowing after his hundred, presumably taking a breather and not giving away.

    Tendulkar made sure he gets the hundred once he went past 50, then he rocketed off to 200. Question is: If he can score a 57 ball second hundred, presumably even after he is tired from scoring a hundred, why doesn’t he do that always when he bats. I think we all know the answer. Tendulkar is capable of matching Sehwag or anyone else, he simply wants to cut risks and score more hundreds. This is sad.

  354. #354 by NewGuy on December 10, 2011 - 2:56 AM

    Australia fighting to get close to NZ score of 150 and possibly take lead. At one point looked like they won’t even get hundred, down at 75/7. Aussie tail do not give up though, these two added 48 runs so far, very valuable. I don’t think NZ can keep the pressure up, they are such a team, they sometimes punch above their weight, but to do it in two innings is tough.

    Interesting Match going though, not one sided after NZ were bundled out for 150.

  355. #355 by NewGuy on December 10, 2011 - 4:30 AM

    Pakistan is ahead with 10 wickets in hand, why are they batting slow? They should attack now and score quickly, put Bangladesh on the back foot and build a massive lead in quick time. At this point they are batting as if they are trying to avoid follow-on. Why this approach.

  356. #356 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 4:50 AM

    NewGuy

    For some reason ( I guess due to stats ) that comment went straight into the SPAM folder. I have retrieved it for you. I think khansahab will do the analysis, for me at the moment it is too late to concentrate on figures. Still not to difficult to get your point, which you have highlighted by saying Sehwag’s second 50 was only in 28 balls. You are referring, rather comparing only the 200 scored by both these players right? The point which you and I both mentioned earlier is Tendulkar played all 50 overs whereas, Sehwag played 46 overs and 3 balls. I guess, (once again a theory of IF’s and But’s) if he had stayed till the end of the innings he may have scored 250 plus. Because, he had nothing to lose only keep sailing.

  357. #357 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 4:54 AM

    Australia / NZ match shall be a low scoring match because the 14 run lead in the first innings is nothing and its getting even more diluted with the 2 wickets already down at 38 making it a total lead of 52 right now, another 100 from them may not secure the match because, Australia will not play in similar fashion in the second innings as they did in the first. Well, this is my guess. And, if it is a lead of 180 plus and IF the wicket is still favouring the bowlers then it will be an exciting finish, I still consider Australia as favourites because they fight till the end.

  358. #358 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 4:58 AM

    NewGuy

    Pakistan will play very safe, thanks to Hafeez that he scored a hundred which is not a good strike rate (under 59). But, Mishap is going to be very relaxed now because he can do as much tuk, tuk as he wants. Azhar Ali who is another champion of tuk, tuk has just arrived, it is already a very boring test match.

  359. #359 by NewGuy on December 10, 2011 - 5:14 AM

    Well .. run rate looks a bit up now, almost 3.7 from last 10 overs, earlier it was around 2 runs per over. The other guy Taufeeq Umar was doing a lot of tuk tuk, and Azhar Ali is now tuk tukking. Misbah to come in next, how will he approach? They should look to bat only one innings and then clean up Bangladesh. There is plenty of time, 4 days in fact, even if they do tuk tuk they can still bat once and win.

  360. #360 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 10:51 AM

    Younis Khan was 96 at close of play- most batsmen would have tried to get their century. I think this shows Younis’s state of mind at the moment and he does not appear to be very confident. Against Bangladesh you would expect someone like Younis Khan to confidently plan to reach the milestone before close of play.

    Shafiq has no role to play in the team. I don’t know why they play him? Just to block balls? Even when Pakistan are in a commanding position he can’t score swiftly. Slow and pathetic batting from Taufeeq and Azhar, too.

    Pakistan think by blocking and playing negatively they are showing their “temperament” under their new captain who is a cool cucumber, but the message that is going out is that they are not even good enough to attack against Bangladesh.

  361. #361 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 10:57 AM

    Newguy

    I don’t know why the two double hundreds are being compared?

    I mean what does it prove if Tendulkar scored the 2nd hundred in fewer balls? Or if Sehwag had a slightly higher strike rate?

    The opposition, fielding standards, size of ground, pitch, time of the year etc were different. The circumstances are so different that the knocks shouldn’t be compared.

    Tendulkar has the ability to make a faster century than Sehwag- well we know this. Similarly we know Sehwag could have reached 250 if he had not been dismissed. So no point trying to compare the two knocks.

    Both batsmen are alike and very different at the same time.

  362. #362 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 11:02 AM

    Newguy

    Yeah, SRT wants to cut risk and score 100s.

    A lot of batsmen play for their century and you see them taking risky singles on 99 because they are so desperate to get to the milestone. I have seen that with many players including Ponting, Lara and Jayasuria.

    I think the other reason is that, once he had scored that 100, he was comfortable attacking an already demoralised SA bowling attack. It becomes easier to attack once the bowling side has lost hope.

    But, as I have said earlier, SRT’s claim to fame is the number of 100s and records so that is what he prioritises. His fans have made him a god for that reason, not for playing like Sehwag or Lara or Inzamam.

  363. #363 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 11:09 AM

    A very important observation:

    At the end of over 39 Pakistan had already taken a lead over Bangladesh’s score of 135. Their run rate then was 3.48.

    At close of play their run rate is 3.24.

    So they actually played slower once they had overtaken Bangladesh.

    This is the height of their negativity.

    A commission should be formed immediately to investigate the strategies of Pakistani team management.

  364. #364 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 11:21 AM

    Qibla

    Yeh hamari nayi kitaab, “Aap janaab ya I am agree?” ka anmol khazana hai.

    Nazm ka naam hai, “Bol I am agree”.

    BOL I AM AGREE

    Ay zar na bol tu hai dil shikasta

    Gar tu hai dil girifta? Bol “I am agree”!

    Gar hai tu shahi, phir bol “I am agree”!

    Sawarja, ban ja woh shaheen ya oqaab

    Jiss ki perwaaz chattanon sey chehek ti hai

    Keh tu bol “I am agree!” Bol “I am agree”!

    Yeh kal key risalay “Nafees o Shaista” mai chapey gi. Hum umeed goh hai aap ko pasand aai hogi…

  365. #365 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 11:27 AM

    Mohsin has gelled the team well: Afridi

    KARACHI: Pakistan allrounder Shahid Afridi has praised interim coach Mohsin Khan for uniting the team.

    Mohsin Bhai has united the team well and he has also supported me and helped me in making a successful comeback,” Afridi said after his return from Bangladesh. “The atmosphere of the present team is great and every player is enjoying it,” Afridi said.

    Pakistan have been performing well since Mohsin took the job. They clinched ODI series against Sri Lanka 4-1 and have now recorded a 3-0 ODI series triumph against Bangladesh. Afridi thanked his fans, saying that their support helped him made a successful comeback to international cricket.

    Afridi missed several Pakistan series because of his rift with the Ijaz Butt-led PCB management and a subsequent conditional retirement from international cricket. Afridi performed brilliantly against Sri Lanka and consequently clinched Man-of-the-Series award. He later also grabbed five wickets in the first ODI against Bangladesh.

  366. #366 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 11:29 AM

    Mohsin Khan was a nobody a year or two ago and is now the coach of the team!!!

  367. #367 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 12:16 PM

    DDCA to give Rs. 25 lakh to Virender Sehwag

    New Delhi, Dec 10: The DDCA on Friday announced a cash prize of Rs. 25 lakh for Virender Sehwag, who etched his name into the record books following his knock of 219 runs against the West Indies in the fourth one-dayer at Indore’s Holkar Stadium.

    “The Delhi and District Cricket Association has decided to give Rs. 25 lakh award to Virender Sehwag as a mark of respect and honour for making world record in ODIs,” DDCA general secretary Sneh Bansal said in a release.

  368. #368 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    khansahab

    to reply to your one liner on Mow-sin, Misbah is still a nothing player but, he is the captain of the team!

  369. #369 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 12:19 PM

    A genius with a difference

    Rakesh Rao

    Contrary to popular belief, Sehwag is a patient man

    Virender Sehwag is a simple man, his cricket uncomplicated. His batting style is inimitable; some of the shots he plays are not found in any cricketing manual.

    For those obsessed with technique, Sehwag has less to offer. He gives the impression of not putting a price-tag on his wicket. Bowlers never give up hope when Sehwag is batting.

    Sometimes, it appears, Sehwag has tossed away his wicket out of sheer boredom. Several of his ‘soft’ dismissals appear ugly and needless, and draw flak from the critics.

    However, Sehwag’s performances in both forms of the game — he doesn’t think much of the Twenty20 format — are in complete contradiction to the trusted methods of run-scoring.

    A myth-breaker

    Going beyond statistics, his World record 219 underscores the fact that Sehwag remains a myth-breaker.

    Contrary to popular belief, Sehwag has patience, can rotate the strike, doesn’t always look for big hits and almost always, never plays to the galleries.

    Sehwag’s previous best of 175 came 10 innings ago at Dhaka in the World Cup. The elusive double century came off an attack that had not let him click on three previous attempts, the last one ending in a duck! He never rues missed chances, he creates more opportunities.

    Sehwag’s immense self-belief makes him patient. After just one half-century in the last nine innings, Sehwag knew the law of averages was in his favour.

    It was a good batting pitch at the Holkar Stadium, where India almost did not bat first. Saner thought prevailed and Sehwag flourished like never before.

    He may not possess the temperament of Sunil Gavaskar, the technique of Rahul Dravid, the discipline of Sachin Tendulkar or the flair for stroke-making associated with G.R. Viswanath or V.V.S. Laxman. Then, what made him post the three highest individual scores by an Indian in Test cricket?

    Again, contrary to what most believe, in Tests, Sehwag plans his innings differently, tunes his game to beat the field and still, keeps it simple. Two triple centuries, four double hundreds and eight scores in excess of 150 are testimony of his unhurried, yet effective, run-getting method in Tests.

    Truly, what sets Sehwag apart is his amazing hand-eye coordination that allows him to time the shots as well, find the gaps or even send the ball soaring into the stands. What appears to be madness to most is method for Sehwag, for he is not a compulsive slogger.

    If common sense is instinct and plenty of it is genius, then Sehwag surely is one!

  370. #370 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 12:19 PM

    Afridi doesn’t need to suck up to Mohsin and keep buttering him or Zaka. He should keep his mouth shut and let the bat and ball do the talking.

  371. #371 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 12:23 PM

    Sehwag can score 200 again: Dhoni

    Lauding ace cricketer Virender Sehwag for his record breaking ODI double century, Indian cricket team skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni has said that the cricketer has the ability to achieve the feat again.

  372. #372 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 12:30 PM

    khansahab

    I agree with you about Taufeeq Umar, Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq’s performance, this is a reflectin of their captain who has imbued their psyche by telling them to defend, rather block every ball AND play a shot on a lose ball. All three of them have a pathetic strike rate within 30’s, is it acceptable at this level?

    And, Younus Khan too is batting with that same negative style and wants to cement his place by showing to the selectors that he is still capable of making a test hundred. He is only one stroke away from his hundred, he should have done that. Now, he will come back tomorrow with another negative mindset of blocking and achieving a milestone which is not important at all. He should have made his hundred and come with the intention of scoring fast. Bangladesh cannot win this match for sure. But what can you do with a negative mindset like that?

    Against NZ, even Ponting has bowled an over which is a rarity. Although NZ’s lead is 153 now with Ross Taylor struggling to improve his strike rate to take the lead over 200. The Aussies must be thinking if NZ can score more in the second innings then we can also do that. In any case I expect an exciting finish for this match.

  373. #373 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 12:34 PM

    Javed A Khan

    If the opposition was a top 4 team then you could say that caution is a better strategy than risk and it is ok if Pakistan want to play at 3 runs/over.

    But against this nothing bowling attack on a flat track, this kind of performance is criminal.

    Caution is good, but negativity is bad.

    I think Pakistan feel they are being cautious by doing this but they are actually only being negative.

  374. #374 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 12:50 PM

    What Rakesh Rao has written in his so-called article is nothing new and most high profile writers do the same by using, adding a few more adjectives in describing the qualities of that player who has done something remarkable and is instantly worshiped like a Rising Sun. A few days ago, I was reading comments in a Indian newspaper on the Internet, wherein they lashed a lot of criticism on Sehwag and his complacent and mindless captaincy. Even NewGuy was saying here that it is confirmed that Sehwag cannot perform well while he is the captain. Now, Dhoni is saying Sehwag has the ability to score another 200. Did Dhoni ever say that Sehwag will score a 200 before he scored it? No he didn’t but, we did. Dhoni must have thought that Dhoni himself can do it…… Magar ye hona saka….. aur na shayed hoga.

    Similarly, when Afridi scored 100/37 Ramiz Raja said, Afridi can never play an innings like that, because its a rare and bizarre innings which you play only once in your life time. We said, he will. He scored another one 100/42. IF Afridi had paid little more thought, he could have broken that record of 100/37 himself because between 80~100 he played 7 dot balls for some strange reason. The chances of Afridi repeating that feat are next to impossible now, unless he opens the innings and for some reason he himself is not willing to open the innings or the selectors and team management think that it is not right to send him to open the innings? IMO, if he is playing at number 7 or 8, it is a total waste. He must open for Pakistan because, he terrorizes the opposition and if he scores even 60~70 runs the match is almost won. If he can do that 3/10 times it is enough because, there are 10 other players in the team who need to prove their worth. Aggression is the best defence.

  375. #375 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 12:56 PM

    JAK

    I agree that Afridi should open. A quickfire 24, which is his average, can demoralise the opposition. So, his average performance can be beneficial for the team.

    I also believe he can score 200- he might have to do it against a minnow but I believe he is capable of doing that.

  376. #376 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 1:00 PM

    When Miandad scored 38 from 64 balls in the WC Quarter Final vs India in 1996, his knock was heavily criticised.

    People still talk to this day about what the need was to include Miandad in the team.

    But, I don’t think Miandad would have scored half of those 38 runs at the strike rate of 39, like how Misbah scored the first half of his runs vs India in WC 2011.

    That was only a quarter final, this was a semi final.

  377. #377 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 1:26 PM

    khansahab

    I fully understand your point of view on caution and negativity but, there are some “Kor Maghaz” people who do not understand this because they have fixed their minds and a mind can only see what it is prepared to see.

    The expression “Kor Maghaz”: The word to word meaning is “Blind Brain” which is derived from the word “Kori” or albino people who are highly sensitive to any light, hence they cannot see the sunlight and cannot see the whole world like others. So, they are blind in a way. This reminds me of the famous expression which I always quote: “If the purblind nocturnal mouse sees not the sunlight it is not the later to be blamed.” Anyways, the expression “Kor Maghaz” is applied in cases where normal people cannot visualize the obvious and keep on croaking like a “Kuwain Ka Duddoo” they have to have a broader and larger vision and see things in totality rather than in parts. Or, take off those blinkers and see beyond their desks.

    I will give you another interesting example on how the French people react against English. They may have differences or animosity since hundreds of years but, learning each others language is a plus point and and an advantage to both. Reportedly when the British were ruling in Quebec they ill-treated the French and Quebec still holds that centuries old grudge against them. Every single license plate in “QC” has these words, “Je Me Souviens” which is a kinda motto for Quebeckers and it means, “I still remember” Almost everyone knows why it is still remembered but, to give a more philosophical touch and to show to the rest of the world in a more diplomatic way they say it is like: “I remember I was born under the lily and grew under the rose”.

    Anyways, the main point is, now the younger generation is not like the generation before and they are learning English and most of them are perfectly bi-lingual in French and English. Yet, there is a “Language Police” in Quebec and even now the laws on sinage and billboards is such that French has to be written on top of English and the letters MUST be double in size, otherwise you are fined. Even the names have to be in French like, Kentucky Fried Chicken or KFC is not known by its name but it is Poullet Frit Kentucky or PFK.

    Jacques Villeneuve is a Quebeckor and he is famous for winning the Formula-1 Championship in 1997 and he opened a big restaurant (like Planet Hollywood) in downtown and named it “NEWTOWN” the whole bunch of journalists got shocked and tried to remind him by saying, “this is an English name.” He replied, “Wake up and see there is a whole world out there.”

  378. #378 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 1:30 PM

    JAK

    Quest ca tu va faire le weekend derniere.

  379. #379 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 1:31 PM

    JAK

    Je joue le cricket de temps en temps

  380. #380 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 1:39 PM

    khansahab

    But, do you remember Miandad was included in the team of WC 1996 at the request of BB and he must have played that WC match after a big gap. Besides, they sent him at number 6 perhaps? And, I remember saying this is a big mistake he should have been sent immediately @ no.3 when arrogant Amir Churail was out. The PK team started so well something like 130 in 15 overs but, they collapsed after that flying start. That was Churail’s big mistake that he did not send Miandad to stabilize the innings. There was a mini collapse and the match was lost. In fact it was lost when Chakram decided to opt out in the last minute and Waqar bowled 2 beamers to Jadeja and was taken off, all this seems to be a pre-planned game to lose the match. And, it is a known thing that Akram took huge sums of money from the bookies and Churail said, he will tell Justice Qayyum in the court that he heard Akram talking to the bookies but, he too backed off at the last moment by saying, he is not aware of that. Either he was threatened or, he too was bought.

    Anyways, back to Miandad he was totally out of touch and he could not take singles like he used to do before and it was very obvious that he was out of breath and, that is why his strike rate in that match was low, but that is just one off case, look at his othe innings and it is an insult to Miandad if you compare him with this Mishap guy. I know you are not comparing them perse but, just one innings. Still, Miandad is Miandad.

  381. #381 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 1:45 PM

    JAK

    This is what I don’t understand that, even to this day I hear people saying that Miandad was included because of politics and this was wrong because he could not perform in that match.

    But in a semi final situation where Misbah was batting alongside U Akmal, Afridi and Razzaq, he should definitely have taken the initiative to anchor the chase. This doesn’t mean only blocking balls but also hitting so that the other batsmen, who are either too inexperienced or very inconsistent, don’t feel the pressure.

    If 150 runs or something are needed and you have Afridi and Razzaq batting with you in a World Cup Semi Final, will you just leave it up to them to make the runs? Knowing that they have not proper batsmen and after them the tail is exposed.

    I am just confused why Misbah was given so much respect after that incident. Fine, maybe they couldn’t drop him because of the need to have a middle order batsman in the line up, but to make him captain and treat him like Tendulkar is shocking.

  382. #382 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 1:54 PM

    khansahab

    LOL@ your French

    When I came here, I wanted to learn French and I took courses at the Ministry of Education and I have passed level 5 exam (six is max.) I can easily converse but its not like kids who have studied in French medium school. I do speak, read and write but most of the time because of my own “Dheet-ness and Akkhad Baazi” i.e., when someone tries to stuff it through my throad and insist in talking only in French and I know that the person is being unrealistic and ureasonable then, I pretend that I don’t understand him and I have done this a few times in situations like this by replying: ” Mee RaaShunn, mee no anderStan Ingglish.” From inside they start fuming because, they know that they are talking in French and I am saying, I don’t understand English? They think Sala Russian, French ko bhee English samajhta hai? 😀

    Another way of getting away is you speak in such tooti phooti, airee pairee French that they get cheesed off and start talking to you in English. It works. 😀

    I keep telling most of them, look you may have a grudge against an Englishman? Good, keep that spirit alive, don’t forget it. Also, don’t forget that, I have learnt English and it is not my mother tongue and, I can speak 5 languages, how many languages do you speak?

  383. #383 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 2:03 PM

    khansahab

    don’t forget that Afridi is from Karachi and Mishap from La’hore and they always wanted a captain from Punjab. When Afridi announced his second retirement from test cricket last year in England, the PCB did nothing in asking him to reconsider his decision or reprimand him that he cannot do that in the middle of the series, they gladly accepted it BAKAOZ they wanted to make Salman Butt as the captain. That decision backfired because of the obvious reasons. Since Ijaz Butt & Co. that includes Waqar also, did not take any action against Afridi, and it was too late to reprimand him or admonish him officially they still managed to kick out Afridi in such a way kay “Saanp bhee murr jaye aur laathi bhee na tootay!” They made situation so difficult for him and he reacted as expected and they said, Good Riddens. BAKAOZ they wanted to make Misbah the new captain and they succeeded. Afridi is a Ch2yum Sulphate that he gets so emotional and falls into any trap that is set for him. He is one of those Akhroats who believe.

    Aqal hai tou rona-e-rona
    Aqal nai tou mojaan-e-moojaan

    Still he is a much, much better captain than Misbah and a thousand times better player than Misbah. And, Misbah is not only negative he is simply a trash who is creating clones like him in Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq etc.

  384. #384 by NewGuy on December 10, 2011 - 2:05 PM

    KS,

    Regarding Sehwag vs. Tendulkar double. I pointed out Tendulkar has the ability to score a hundred off 57 balls which he did in getting from 100 to 200, and you too agree. I think we all by now agree that he is more interested in volume, more hundreds, more runs, more matches, last longer, so on.

    What I am saying and people like Kapil Dev said it before, is that with Tendulkar’s ability he should have been like Viv Richards, that is how he started out, then changed his approach.

    Viv Richards do not hold many records, except for the fastest Test hundred, but people still remember him with awe. I have seen Richards play, there is no better sight that Richards walking out to bat. His mere presence intimated bowlers, instead of being the other way around. Once an Aussie bowler said that he hit Richards on the shoulder with a fast bouncer. It must have hurt really, Richards just stood there chewing his gum, next ball disappeared 14 rows back into the stands. That is how Tendulkar also should have used his ability.

    I know others also played for records, Ponting, Lara, Jayasurya, all. Contrary to popular belief, I think this is said by Tendulkar haters, Ponting and Lara did play for record. Lara openly said he wanted to break Bradman’s record of most double hundreds. Likewise it is no secret at one time Ponting had hope of overtaking Tendulkar in most runs and hundreds.

    Inzi probably never cared much for records, even after he came back to break Miandad’s record, he quit after coming two runs closer, if he wanted I am sure they would have let him play another test. But he was content.

    Richards never played for records. He will be better remembered that most players. I have seen Lara and Richards, while Lara is a genius, he is no where close to Richards. Lara looked vulnerable at times, when Richards was at crease the bowlers looked vulnerable, always. I have never seen Viv uncomfortable and being dominated by a bowler. Sehwag in many ways is just like that, of course no where close to Richards in ability, but approach is same.

  385. #385 by NewGuy on December 10, 2011 - 2:11 PM

    Misbah lost an opportunity to get a hundred on this pitch against this opposition.

    YK is playing well for his hundred,.

    Pakistan are batting slow, but it is only two days and they already close to 300 runs lead, no problems they should win easily within 4 days.

    But, I think against an opposition like this they should bat aggressive. Against England and in difficult situation they should drop anchor. Context is always important. Playing with same approach in every match is never good.

  386. #386 by NewGuy on December 10, 2011 - 2:15 PM

    NZ-Aus Test is looking very promising. NZ has to put up a big score if they want to win. I will back Aus to chase anything up to 300. They just did it against SA. They will be determined not to lose against NZ. I think between these two team there is a fierce rivalry with Aussies always beating them. This is NZ best chance in decades to win a Test in Aus against Aus.

    It is also good for India, if NZ can beat then India can surely beat them?

    But pathetic team selection in picking trundlers Vinay Kumar and Mithun, this is clearly quota system working. Kumble is known to have back both these players from his state in the past, and he is now in some administration capacity, I am sure he played a role. This is such a shame. What do they expect useless trundlers like Mithun and VK will do in Australia. Hopefully they will carry water for player and won’t get a game.

  387. #387 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 9:11 PM

    NewGuy

    I agree with you on what you have said about Sir Viv Richards, I think there will never be another Viv Richards. And, I like Lara’s batting because he is very stylish and graceful.

    Whereas on Tendulkar, I would like to highlight a point which you may have ignored or not thought about it but, you have quoted twice or may be thrice that he has the ability to score fast and he scored his second hundred in 57 balls. You see there is a big difference in confidence when you achieve one milestone, he always get stuck in 90’s and in that match after scoring his first 100 he started playing shots in a very carefree manner and they were all connecting well, his confidence was sky high whereas, bowlers confidence was totally shattered. It was good to see him batting in that fashion but, how many times did he bat like that? Never.

    In Pakistan when he was stuck in that test match when he was close to scoring a double and Ganguly (who was nursing his injury) used Dravid’s shoulder to fire the missile and declared the innings. That is Ganguly – famous for his shrewedness and for being notorious – and Sachin was so upset that day that he did not talk to anyone, in fact he did not complain then but, I read that in the newspaper the next day – that no one dared to go near Sachin when they were boarding on the bus back to the hotel and some of them were saying, “Sachin Bhai ghussa may hai.” And, Sachin went inside the bus and sat alone, apparently looking very upset. Obviously he was right because, how many times you come so close to scoring a double hundred? Like, Miandad will never forget Imran’s decision on declaring the innings when he was close to scoring his triple hundred. So, my point about Sachin is he does have a mental block when reaching a milestone.

  388. #388 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 9:22 PM

    NewGuy

    Thank you for agreeing with us that the current Pakistani team is playing extremely slow against a very weak opposition and that is what khansahab, Zen and I have been telling that Misbah & Co., are trying to prove that they are being cautious and showing their temperament by batting slow. You have said it that it is acceptable if they play against England, Australia or a tougher opposition but, not against minnows. The bottom line of your comment, “Context is always important, playing with the same approach in every match is never good.” Yes, you are right especially if you are playing like this it is NEGATIVE CRICKET. And, who is responsible for this? The captain, if he is leading the team with this kinda example by blocking every ball, then others will follow him because, that is what is appreciated by those “KOR MAGHAZ” people. And, Afridi’s style of batting is always criticised especially when he is out on a low score. His strike rate is always above 100 and these guys are scoring at a strike rate of 30~40. I would have appreciated if they score @ 75~80 at least. But, they are aping Misbah to get appreciated and to cement their place in the team. Whereas, the standard of Pakistani batsmen is going down the drains.

  389. #389 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 10, 2011 - 9:34 PM

    NewGuy

    You know what? This is exactly what I thought about the selection of Vinai Kumar and Mithun ChakarBOREty. And, it came to my mind that they must be in because of Kumble. And, Kumble is doing what Krishnamachari Srikand did in the past. And you have also expressed your doubts about Kumble’s role in selection of these players.

    This is why I say that these players once they retire must not be in the selection or administration of the governing body – NEVER…….. BAKAOZ.

    1. They are not so well educated and not so competent to be a professional in the management side.
    2. They have their own biases against other regions and players from their own region or zone, so they are not impartial in selection process.
    3. They think that they own the game of cricket because they have played for the country especially if they have been successful and famous. Then they talk with so much authority that they forget their own pathetic performances. Ramiz Raja, Aamir Sohail are a few examples and they often blab and criticize players for poor fielding whereas, Ramiz himself was famous for being “A KHUDDA FIELDER” he could hardly run, he used to drop catches but, he wants every player to be Jonty Rhodes. And, Aamir Churail talks about temperament and always criticize players if they show dissent or act emotionally. Whereas, he was famous for being rude and emotional, we all remember his faux Pas in 1996 quarter-final against India in Bangalore.

  390. #390 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 10:33 PM

    JAK

    God knows what the truth is about regionalism and we can only speculate based on what media reports and others say, perhaps some of our own experiences too. But, it is extremely ironic that Misbah was made captain following his WC performance.

    Umar Gul had a place in the team.

    Saeed Ajmal was doing well.

    Hafeez was doing well.

    If it wasn’t for the above three, another choice was to appoint someone with persona and leadership abilities from the domestic circuit.

    That would have been a better choice than Misbah.

    I am sure Ijaz Butt had a hand to play in this and because of his dictatorial rule no one could question this appointment.

  391. #391 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 10:40 PM

    JAK

    You know what this negative psyche is going to produce…..

    I can imagine them playing a top 4 team, the slow run rate will remain but the wickets will fall quicker. They will be facing 85mph+ bowlers, they will face aggressive fields, bouncers, wily spinners.

    Bowling wise their saving grace will be their spinners who can put brakes on South Africa/England/Australia. But, Umar Gul is not very consistent against good teams and I can see the other sides attack Cheema and Junaid in order to demoralise them which might work because of their inexperience.

    Sadly I see this slow run rate continuing but only this time the wickets will tumble.

  392. #392 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 10:53 PM

    Newguy

    I did not watch Tendulkar bat in his youth, so I can perhaps take your word that he could have been like Richards. But, it is a little difficult (now) to expect SRT to be like Sehwag, who is a different type of batsman.

    For example, Tendulkar’s 200 vs South Africa was scored by creating shots, placement, planning where the ball was going to go. There were also his signature shots like, Steyn bowls near yorker length at least one foot outside off, he walks across with no problem and turns that to square leg. How anyone can do that on an 85mph+ ball is beyond me. These are the things people don’t talk about; they talk about records, hundreds, bla bla which just come with longevity. But, that shot comes with talent and genius.

    Once I saw Afridi hit a 6 on a yorker and I am pretty sure the ball was 85mph+. I can’t imagine anyone else playing like that, but Afridi just slogged it.

    Compared to Sehwag’s shots, even though this 219 wasn’t “mindless slogging”, he hits shots in “bludgeoning” style. He rarely uses his feet. It doesn’t look artistic. He is definitely a genius but that is what I am trying to say, that SRT can’t do what he does, SRT can’t bludgeon balls or slog like Sehwag, similarly Sehwag can’t do what SRT does.

    So I don’t know whom Viv Richards was more like.

  393. #393 by Sentinel Prime on December 10, 2011 - 11:46 PM

    Newguy

    I find Lara an enigma. I like him for his rawness and for his ability to fight.

    He was also a fearless and daring batsmen. There was a match when he hit a number of sixes on Warne’s bowling and he may have achieved a hat trick, I can’t remember, but nevertheless it was fearless because of the danger of getting stumped.

    However, even though one might call him “stylish” I did not like his style. Some of his shots were ugly, like swipes. In fact a lot of his shots were like Dhoni’s ugly swipes.

    His footwork was entertaining but unnecessary. Meaning, it made his shots look stylish but did not add to the actual quality of the shot. This can be contrasted with SRT whose technique adds value to the shot. I am not saying this makes SRT necessarily superior- just comparing the two.

    Batsmen go through bad phases and Lara at times struggled against pace. Lara got bowled by Waqar on a yorker which uprooted his leg stump. Lara got hit on the helmet or shoulder, I can’t remember, by Shoaib Akhtar. Lara was not exactly like a flawless Test giant he is often considered to be.

    I have not seen him say that he was pursuing the record of double hundreds but he was definitely vying to break Hayden’s record of 380. Hayden could only hold on to that record for a few months and how quickly Lara broke it just shows how desperate he was.

    So, I wouldn’t say Lara was an entirely selfless player. He was considered conceited and selfish by many West Indian cricketers. I remember some team mate of his accusing him of being self-obsessed.

  394. #394 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 12:07 AM

    Zen

    Are you ok. No comments today?

  395. #395 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 2:16 AM

    Come on khansahab, there was no ugliness in Lara’s batting. Once against India he hit a straight SIX and it looked like a golf shot that you play from the T and from India’s side Dhoni also hit a straight SIX the showed it on the same screen by splitting the images and showed it in slow motion, Dhoni almost fell on the off-side after hitting the six, whereas Lara stood motion less even the commentators were saying what a contrast between the two of them. You may not like Lara because you like Tendulkar so much, so beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    Har dil faraib cheez nazar ka ghubaar hai
    Nazrain haseen hon tou, khizaan bhee bahaar hai

  396. #396 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 2:18 AM

    Zen must be meditating and contemplating today. Or, may be lamenting at the Mishap that took place in Bangladesh.

  397. #397 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 2:20 AM

    On a low scoring wicket 240 is a decent score and it is a challenge for Australia to score that in the 4th innings. Its hard to be conclusive but, imo Australia will still go for it and win it. In any case it will be a very interesting match. The first 15 overs will decide the fate of the match.

    Ross Taylor scored a 50 and played a cool cucumber innings @ a strike rate of 32?

  398. #398 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 3:44 AM

    KS,

    I agree completely with you on Sehwag’s bludgeoning style of shots, I am not saying this just because I may like Tendulkar’s shots better, I really do want to like Sehwag’s shots, but I don’t see the beauty in them. They are not ugly, but just not very elegant, looks like he is butchering them. Since we both see it this way having come to this conclusion with our independent views, there has to be truth in it.

    I too like Lara’s shots, they were pleasing.

    Richards had his unique style, but he used a lot of power, and he made the shots look easy. More than that, Richards simply had a presence at the crease that no other batsman had. He had this gladiatorial quality. He scored run everywhere in the world, and he never wore a helmet. He is unique. Like Javed Khan said, there will be no other Richards.

    Coming to Tendulkar, he was a fearless stroke player in the beginning, but we should also recall he never scored many hundreds in early part of his career. He played attacking cricket and hence he would not get many hundreds, instead he would get out before that. I think there was some “concern” or criticism about this part, that he was originally destined by Gavaskar as the chosen one to break all records, and he wasn’t living up to it. Perhaps this general complain changed his view to score more hundreds and runs instead? or he decided longevity is better? Richards did not set any world record, he doesn’t have 10,000 runs like Gavaskar, or Allan Border, his peers, he doesn’t have most hundreds like Gavaskar did back then, so on ..

    So, if Tendulkar continued his attacking ways, it is a good bet he would have ended up with perhaps 10,000 or 11,000 runs with about 30-35 Test hundreds? and he would have retired by now, he would have been remembered for being an attacking and match winning batsman.

  399. #399 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 3:54 AM

    JK,

    I did comment on this aspect of Tendulkar. See again my comment above. He could score runs faster if he wanted to, that would mean he wouldn’t get as many hundreds as he has now. He would still have a lot of hundreds for sure, 30-35 Test hundreds is still a lot, but he has 51 Test hundreds, a huge number. I would have preferred 30-35 hundreds of very high quality in tough conditions and in match winning situations any day, as opposed to 100 Test hundreds with many of them coming in inconsequential situations.

    Now, Gavaskar would not be happy with that at all. He has this infatuation with hundreds, not just Tendulkar hundred, but any hundred, if anyone is close to a hundred, say 70 runs, Gavaskar would start foaming at the mouth. He said several times that if a batsman has opportunity to get a hundred, they should always try to get it and not let the opportunity go waste. To me, compromising by slowing down to get a hundred is not worth it for the team, it may be for the individual like Gavaskar. This is a Mumbai cricket ideology, Mumbai batsmen are very selfish, perhaps a culture learned from their every days life, everyone in Mumbai fights hard for their own survival and not worry about anyone else. Tendulkar is a product of Mumbai cricket like Gavaskar and Ravi Shastri, two selfish cricketers, so he has to have some of their ideology himself.

  400. #400 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 4:05 AM

    NewGuy, I do understand the Mumbai culture because I have been there quite a few times and I do have friends there and, I do agree with you about the selfishness of Gavaskar, this kar, that kar, I mean Wadekar, Agarkar, Manjrekar and Tendulkar etc. But, how come you not agree with us about Misbah’s selfish and negative approach? 😀 It is for his survival he is playing negative cricket and not because of anything else, don’t you remember he can hit big sixes? He can but, he doesn’t want to take any more risks and wants to retire as “one of the greats” by creating that meaningless and senseless stats about his average and his number of winning as a captain. And, that is his dream to be treated like one of the greats.

  401. #401 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 4:05 AM

    well .. Younus Khan got his hundred and his strike rate is good, for test cricket, he is scoring at 64 which is a very healthy rate. Asad Shafique on the other hand scored 43 off 122 balls, this is very slow. Overall they are going at 3 runs an over, good enough to win this Test. But I agree anyone scoring at less than 50 strike rate, that is less than 3 runs per over, unless they are trying to save the match should be asked to score faster.

  402. #402 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 4:24 AM

    Well, YK’s strike rate of 65 is nothing to write home about but, Shafiq’s rate of 35 is pathetic at the moment he is following his Master’s foot prints.

  403. #403 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 5:03 AM

    How much lead should PK get before they can ask BG to bat, today is third day, I would think they should declare with around 20 overs to have a go at BG, so that they can get a few wickets, then come back fresh tomorrow and clean up rest. Pakistan should play their shots now, with lead over 300 what is there to worry, lose the match from here? LOL.

    Shafiq may be playing for a hundred here, and YK may be looking for a double. Gavaskar and Ravi Shastri approves these efforts 🙂

  404. #404 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 7:18 AM

    Shafiq already scored a hundred and got OUT after a partnership of 259 runs and, YK is still batting at 190, of course he is looking for a double hundred here.

    NewGuy, Misbah may not declare today because there are 2 more days left and they will bat as long as it last, probably Younus Khan might think of a triple i.e., if he survives today. But, he has to play at a better strike rate than his 67 at the moment.

  405. #405 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 7:33 AM

    Younus gets his DOUBLE TON and did not wait long from 190 to 200 he hit 2 boundaries and a two to achieve Gavaskar’s landmark. Oh NO, Masbah disappointed me, he declared the innings. Perhaps he thought YK will take another day to complete his triple ton? So, YK remained not out at 200 and his average will go up. His strike rate also improved marginally towards the end and it is close to 69.

    According to cricinfo commentator: “Apparently this is the most number of overs a team has batted against Bangladesh in a Test.”

    I think what he forgot to mention is, even though other teams have scored more than this…. buttttaaaa……..

  406. #406 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 7:38 AM

    FORTY ONE OVERS remaining and I don’t know how many will be deducted for innings break? May be six, eight or ten? Let us see how many wickets Pakistani bowlers can take. In any case BD cannot score 460 runs to win or play two more days besides today for a draw. If it was Misbah in the BD team that would have been the main thing on his mind to go tuktuk.

    That is PDQ the BD openers are already on the ground and Umar Gul has already bowled one ball of the first over ….. so may be they will deduct 2-3 overs max or, may not deduct at all?

    BD must play with aggression now knowing that they will not score 460 besides losing this match there is nothing else for them to lose from here. So there must be some entertaining cricket instead of a boring one sided defeat.

  407. #407 by Zen on December 11, 2011 - 11:25 AM

    hi KS

    i did mention in my last comment ill come on snday or sundae 😀

    anyway, iam still occupied so ill join u guys most probably on tuesday. iam reading ur comments via cellphone. just came as a pop up! ( hehe)

    bangus are on their way out

    australia look to win this one however first session is important coz australia are now having batting collapses.

    it looks many bloggers r comparing 2 doubles and reason seems to equate the two obvioulsy for sachin 😉

    i think viv was a unique batsman. he never got awed by any bowler. sachin has got under pressure on some occassions as shoaib claims.

    lara was a delightful stroke player but a turbulent wi side never allowed him to settle.

    sachin should now focus on team victories- hes achieved a lot as a player and forget this 100 thing ( easir said than done)

  408. #408 by Zen on December 11, 2011 - 11:34 AM

    ab ks ki khidmat mein iam agree ka jawab iam disagree

    iam agree karte karte mundi jhuk gai

    doctor ne kha band kar chamchagiri

    mishap hae flop- sab karlo agree

    khao cucumber jab ho hungree

    mishap ki approach sey iam disgree, disagree

    ks ne mari veena ko tangdree

    wo boli is tasweer se iam disagree

    r malik bola veena im hungree

    asaf ne kaha tu beghairat kyu niklee

    veena boli iam sexy kudree, sexy kudree

    ab dubai mein hogy england se kabbadee

    afridi bola mohsun im agree, im agree

    mishap ne sochaa marlun slow fifteee

    par out kargya elias sunyeeeee

    england harega, im disgree, im disgree

  409. #409 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 2:15 PM

    Century for Tiwary, good for him but there is a lot of competition in the Indian middle order.

    2 wickets for Pathan on this return and things looking bleak for West Indies.

    Not a huge difference between WI and Bangladesh these days.

  410. #410 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 2:18 PM

    Qibla Zain!

    Yehi waja hai!

    Iss hi liye dunya e shayari teri diwaani hai, keh tu urdu adab ka nayab sarchashma hai.

    Teri khoobsurat paishkush urdu adab sey aiwaano mai qaim rahi gee……..

    “doctor ne kha band kar chamchagiri………..”

    Waaah……ek dafa aur………

    Hamari kitaab, “Qaaf ya kaaf: Ek Tashreeh” aap key hi kalaam par mubni hai……..

  411. #411 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 2:31 PM

    JAK

    I think this is the first time I have ever criticised Lara and you have responded saying that this happened because I like SRT?

    There are other imperfections about Lara too which I do not need to mention because I don’t have a grudge against him. I think it is unfair to say that, I will criticise ABC because I like XYZ.

    The first 2 or 3 paragraphs of my comment were dedicated to praising Lara and I have said that he was a genius. I will not say this about many batsmen. But, if you want me to say that Lara was better than SRT, then I can’t say it because there are more reasons why SRT is better than Lara, than vice versa.

    Lara is known as a “raw” player and this is because his technique lacked finesse and he was very Caribbean in his approach. This is akin to how subcontinental batsmen are known for being wristy and their bowlers at times have freak bowling actions like Sohail Tanvir, Mendis, Malinga etc.

    In other words Lara was the subcontinental equivalent of “wristy but uncoached/unpolished technique”.

    This is not really a criticism because it shows how talented he was in the first place. Those ugly swipes to leg that I mentioned were played with utter disdain, as if he was asking, “You are bowling these dollies at me?”

    Or you could say that he was so dismissive about that kind of bowling that he would choose not to manufacture a conventional or graceful shot.

    That is what defines Lara for me and I admire his batting- but I don’t like his shots as much as SRT’s, Ponting’s, Dravid’s, Jayasuria’s or even Inzamam’s. It is a personal choice I guess.

  412. #412 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 2:43 PM

    Newguy

    I don’t think Richards played many matches so that is why perhaps he was not able to get many records.

    If he had played 300 ODI’s and 100 Tests he might have surpassed SRT.

    I have explained to JAK why I don’t like all of Lara’s shots.

    The most elegant and graceful player I have seen is Saeed Anwar. It was just disheartening that he was vulnerable against good bowling.

    I don’t like Yousuf’s batting much and even though he was elegant, I think he used to overdo it. The backlift was too high and he didn’t appear to have a great range of shots. It was disappointing to know about his poor performance against the top 3 bowling sides of his time.

    I only like Dravid’s cover drive, shot wise he isn’t that great, but he is a pressure absorber and innings builder.

    Younis Khan is more talented than Yousuf and Inzamam. Trust me, if they had used him properly he would have averaged mid 50s in Tests and 40s in ODI. Younis can play difficult bowling better than Yousuf and Inzamam.

    It is a joke that Inzamam was supposedly “the best batsman vs pace”. I remember I had many arguments with people on Pakspin when they used to accuse me of being Indian and opposing Inzamam who had during those days become a hero because of a few match winning knocks against India. When I revealed the statistics a lot of them went quiet.

    Imran Khan said Inzamam was the best batsman against pace but Inzi looked uncomfortable against Australian and South African pacers. Maybe in Pakistan he was great on flat tracks and poor pitches but he was average on foreign pitches.

  413. #413 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 2:46 PM

    You have to give it to West Indian batsmen for being so aggressive.

    I guess when you have nothing, you have nothing to lose!

    Parthiv Patel is apparently dropping catches.

    I still feel India will win this but again a refreshing approach for West Indies…..

    If you die, you die fighting………….

  414. #414 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 2:48 PM

    As expected YK got his double and Shafiq his 100 and Misbah declared. Bangladesh is in deep deficit and will lose the match tomorrow by lunch by a big margin. Good for YK to get a double, before England series, should boost his confidence. Misbah missed out on a hundred, Gavaskar says he is disappointed.

    Aussies winning agianst NZ, should be a formality now, or will they collapse dramatically in the morning? unlikely, but not impossible.

    WI now fighting against India, well, actually these two are sloggers, Pollard the most over hyped T20 slogger. I don’t like this guy, he can hit huge sixes for sure, but to me he is like another Yousuf Pathan, when it sticks it goes for six, otherwise no talent to pace an ODI innings. Actually I take it back, YKP is slightly better.

    Will WI win? may be, because India has weak bowling with Mithun, Jaddu, etc, and fifth bowler is Raina / Rohit Sharma. Sammy can hit a few as well.

    As I said before India has to win at least 4-1 to have any credit from this series. Let’s see.

    Good come back for IKP, wicket off the first ball, and 2 wickets in his first spell. I would like to see him going to Australia for the Tests, but the powers in charge is sending Mithun, the guy with recommendation. I am sure IKP will get his chance, if ZK is proven to be not fit, since both are left arm seamers, they will replace one left arm pace with another.

  415. #415 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 2:49 PM

    KS,

    No big deal in this hitting, these guys are mindless sloggers.

  416. #416 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 2:55 PM

    Who said Kamran Akmal is not playing international cricket, he has clone himself as Parthiv Patel and playing for India, dropped so many catches already. Not good in batting, not good in keeping either, what is good at? recommendation from an M.P, or some VIP?

  417. #417 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 2:58 PM

    Newguy

    Well, looks like Akmal original is making a comeback:

    7 years of cricket left in me: Kamran Akmal

    LAHORE:

    Kamran Akmal has not played for Pakistan since the World Cup semi-final but hopes to make a comeback for next month’s series against England and represent Pakistan for another seven years.

    Since Kamran’s omission, Pakistan have tried Mohammad Salman, Adnan Akmal and Sarfraz Ahmed behind the stumps, with the youngest of the playing Akmals – Umar – taking on the gloves in Twenty20s.

    Kamran, who is the sixth highest run-scorer in the ongoing Quaid Trophy with 728 runs, had a meeting with the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Zaka Ashraf and remains hopeful of returning to the national squad.

    “My meeting with the chairman went well, the PCB is in possession of the documents that cleared me to play for Pakistan,”
    Kamran told The Express Tribune. “I was dropped due to poor form and now that I’ve worked hard on my batting and wicket-keeping, I’m hopeful of my inclusion in the squad for the series against England.”

    Kamran, who has 38 dismissals to his credit this domestic season, has hit three centuries and three fifties, confirmed his fitness and also that he sought help from Ian Healy, Moin Khan, Rashid Latif and Mohtashim Rashid (current women’s team coach) in order to overcome his flaws that forced his omission.

    “I’m 100% fit and ready to play for Pakistan and that remains my passion. I can play as a keeper or just as a batsman, it is for the selectors and the team management to decide.

    “I haven’t stopped playing and training since my ouster and my performance in domestic cricket is there. I’m even playing club cricket in order to get as much exposure under my belt as possible.”

  418. #418 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 2:59 PM

    Well, if politics has to take its course then why not play Akmal has an ODI opener in place of Farhat?

    That is, if the 100s of better batsmen cannot be played because of politics…………..

  419. #419 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 3:01 PM

    Newguy

    You sure this is mindless slogging? Pollard has hit 6 sixes so far.

  420. #420 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 3:02 PM

    So Sammy is going to defend and Pollard will go for the shots………

  421. #421 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 3:04 PM

    Amazing how this world is.

    Kamran Akmal must have lost Pakistan AT LEAST 25 international matches by dropping catches at crucial situations.

    But the PCB Chairman has time to meet him, the media wants to give him coverage and he has the guts to request reselection.

  422. #422 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 3:11 PM

    Sammy gone, Pollard should now just play for his century because WI are not winning this.

  423. #423 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 3:22 PM

    Sammy is another Mishap, good for nothing.

  424. #424 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 3:32 PM

    khansahab

    you must have heard this news on TV because she is British:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10772475

    Isn’t it amazing that a 16 year old can do it? Spending days and nights in a frozen food storage facility as part of her training is something unbelievable.

    Canadian Sarah did it 6 years ago and she was 18 then but, she took the longer route and without assistance.

    I always wanted to do something weird like this but, I am not that lucky because I grew up in a different environment yet, the adventureous things that I have done in my life are so many that people always ask me, are you crazy? Yes I am is the answer.

  425. #425 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 3:44 PM

    Technically there is a possibility that the WI can win this match because there are more balls remaining than the runs to be scored, they will definitely win if Pollard the Keira stays till the end, in fact they will win it with an over or two in spare i.e., if he bats through the innings. He is already close to his 100 with 8 sixes. However, imo this mindless slogging cannot last for long and the moment he is gone, the match is over and that is likely to happen sooner than later.

  426. #426 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 3:52 PM

    I dunno why Pollard is exposing the tail-enders by taking a single on the first or second ball? Now the cockroach is also OUT he gave away his wicket on a silver plater to Dhoni’s blue eyed boy Jaddu Paddu. And, Pollard is on 99 with 9 wickets down WI are still 55 runs behind with 48 balls to be bowled.

  427. #427 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 4:01 PM

    Pollard is OUT and India own the match by 35 runs. It was only Pollard all the way with his 119 that included 10 sixes.
    Gambhir must be a satisfied captain today!

  428. #428 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 4:07 PM

    JAK

    I heard about a 16 year old girl achieving this milestone but didn’t know about this in so much detail.

  429. #429 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 4:11 PM

    Good knock by Pollard. Russell and Polland are two exciting prospects for West Indies. Pakistan could do with having them in their team!

  430. #430 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 4:54 PM

    India did win by 4-1 margin, which I said at the start of series is what they should aim for as the minimum against this WI side.

    Pollard hit 10 sixes and made 119, people will say “oh what a knock”, almost won match single handed and all that .. but that is only because if you don’t see the obvious.

    Pollard has been a liability in the team, this giant is nothing but a mindless slogger who comes good once in a while when all is lost. He only cares for himself and securing a position for next 10 matches

    I say he is just a slogger, because look at his shots, he good one good swing of the bat aimed at clearing long on long off, very much like YKP. If he connects, against the likes of Jaddu, and Mithun then he gets lucky like today. India were playing only two front line bowlers today, that IKP coming back after a long gap, and R Sharma the new leggie.

    I have see Pollard before, he cannot handle good bowlers. Also he is a very selfish guy, no national pride, no team spirit, just a money minded mercenary playing T20 anywhere he is offered money.

    I was sure this giant was not going to win the match, anytime during his innings, have seen it all before. At least YKP is genuine team guy, and he wants to play and win for the country.

    Good come back for IKP. Lets see how long he can last this time. Zaheer Khan probably is finished, it is unlikely he will come back fully fit. I hope he can for one last tour of Australia.

  431. #431 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 4:59 PM

    KS,

    Russel is a good prospect for WI, and so is Sunil Narine the spinner. I don’t think you want Pollard in Pakistan, don’t you already have enough selfish players.

    Sunil Narine is good prospect. What’s up with all these Indian descends in the WI team now. Earlier there were one or two, now it seems more cricketers coming up are Indian descends, Rampaul, Bishoo, Adrian Bharat, to name a few, looks like the Afro caribs are interested in other games, like Baseball and athletics. There is ethnic tension between Afros caribs and Indian descends in WI sometimes, in places like Trinidad and Guyana where each are 50/50. I once toured Guyana in the middle of a ethic clash between Afros and Indians, it’s a very wild place with huge rivers like Essequibo and Massarooni running the length of the country and ending in the Amazon basin. I have never seen wider rivers than those anywhere. I took a boat ride down the Essequibo river and in some places it is so wide you cannot see the other end, the water looks muddy and red with the color of soil from Amazon belt. Very exciting place to go if you are young and adventurous. Not for me anymore.

  432. #432 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 5:11 PM

    Newguy

    I hope you don’t mind if I ask which part of India you are from?

    I don’t think you are Punjabi, Marathi or Bengali.

    My guess is you’re from Hyderabad or Bangalore or some other part of South India.

  433. #433 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 5:18 PM

    Newguy

    So you mean to say Pollard is like Abdul Razzaq.

    Once in a blue moon performer.

  434. #434 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 5:23 PM

    Sharma is MOS with 3 fifties.

    I thought Pollard would have shared MOM with Tiwary.

    So, India doing well despite resting their seniors. No Dhoni, SRT, Harbhajan and Zaheer.

    Pakistan’s best XI won 3-2 vs West Indies earlier this year and I think this really shows the difference between Pakistan and India at the moment. I think in the Test series they drew 1-1.

  435. #435 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 5:34 PM

    JAK

    You asked about Afridi’s MOM awards in ODI’s.

    He has 27 currently and needs 2 more to become the most awarded Pakistani player. Anwar has 28.

    In the top 10 list MOM award winners list, 5 players have played most of their careers as openers. Shows how important the opening slot is and openers’ match winning or match influencing abilities.

  436. #436 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 5:42 PM

    Viv Richards got a MOM award for every 6 ODI’s he played. Tendulkar, 1 in 7 ODI’s. Ponting, 1 in 12 ODI’s and Lara, 1 in 10 ODI’s.

    Although Tendulkar must also have gotten a few awards because of his combined bowling and batting performance.

  437. #437 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 5:51 PM

    In Tests Ponting got a MOM award for every 10 Tests, Sangakkara every 7 Tests, SRT every 13 Tests, Lara every 11 Tests, Dravid every 14 Tests, Laxman every 22 Tests, Viv Richards every 12 Tests, Sehwag every 12 Tests, Inzamam every 13 Tests, Yousuf every 13 Tests, Younis every 14 Tests.

    This shows Tendulkar’s relatively less dominance in Tests which is something we have discussed frequently.

    I thought Viv Richards’, Sehwag’s and Dravid’s ratios would be better.

  438. #438 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 5:53 PM

    With Ponting and Sangakkara, I analysed their careers recently and the % of their 100s and 50s in winning causes were quite high. So, I guess there is some sense in this that match winning Test batsmen are looked at favourably when the awards are being decided.

  439. #439 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 5:56 PM

    JAK

    At least Sammy can take a wicket here and there, even if he gets a tailender out.

    Misbah’s runs seem to have no positive effect on the team and he doesn’t bowl.

    I would seriously recommend Misbah learns fast bowling so that he can bring himself into the attack when tailenders are batting and his presence in the team has some utility.

  440. #440 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 6:11 PM

    KS,

    Viv Richards has less MoM because he played in a super star studded team with great performers. Clive Llyod, Greenidge, Haynes in batting were great performers, woth Lloyd and Greenidge equally good destroyers of bowling. In bowling they had Holding, Roberts, Marshal, Garner, and later Ambrose and Walsh, all great performers. Quite often these guys bagged MoM.

    It is s credit to Viv that with that kind of team mates, he still was MoM every 12 Tests. In comparison, only Ponting had similar team mates, but I would rate Richards team mates way higher than Ponting.

    I also think SRT and Ponting got for MoM than they probably deserve, because there was a general bias in favor of them. Ponting also received favors from umpires

  441. #441 by NewGuy on December 11, 2011 - 6:18 PM

    KS,

    I will reply to your question about which part of India I am originally from later on. You got it right that I am not from Punjab, Bengal, or Maharashtra. You also got it right that I am not from Hindi belt for sure. I am not from Hyderabad or Bangalore, neither am I from Chennai.

    I will let you chew on this and see if you can further narrow it down. I will give you a hint though, based on my secular views, having grown up with lots of Muslims around, and eating Beef, are good enough to guess it right.

    I am sure JAK will know.

  442. #442 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 6:30 PM

    Newguy

    You are a Gujrati.

    Kem cho.

    I can’t figure out where else you could be from. I don’t think you are from Orissa or those outlandish areas, either on east or west. Probably not Rajasthani.

    Gujrat has lots of Muslims but I am not sure about the circulation of beef as there are some hard line Hindus there. Gujratis are known to be quite religious.

  443. #443 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 6:38 PM

    Difficult to believe such barbarism still exists in the world today. 120 people killed because a buffalo got stolen?

    Jirga settles old feud between two tribes in Kashmore

    KASHMORE, (SANA): A Jirga on Sunday settled the long standing dispute between two tribes in Kashmore; the dispute was started over the stealing of buffalo and claimed 120 lives of both tribes.

    The Jirga was held under the leadership of Mir Manzoor Khan, in which 41-5 million rupees fine was imposed on both tribes; meanwhile one million rupees fine would be charged from the party who will refuse accepting the decision of the Jirga.

    The Jirga was attended by the thousands of people belonging to Sukkhur, Ghotki and Kashmore to settle the dispute.

  444. #444 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 7:33 PM

    NewGuy

    Could you please name those Pakistani selfish players, please? 😀

  445. #445 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 7:35 PM

    khansahab

    I think during the SL/PK series in Dubai after the Shajah match you said that Afridi needs only 2 more MoM awards to be most awarded PK player. Now, you are saying he still needs 2 more awards? He already got two more in BD.

  446. #446 by Sentinel Prime on December 11, 2011 - 7:38 PM

    JAK

    I have seen the list today and Afridi has 27 and Anwar, 28.

    Maybe I hadn’t noticed Anwar’s record then.

  447. #447 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 11, 2011 - 7:44 PM

    NewGuy

    You are neither from the East nor from the West
    And, you are not from the middle or the central part or the Hindi belt.
    khansahab has mentioned about Gujrat but, not sure there is too much beef there despite Muslims in large numbers

    That narrows down to the top and bottom of India?
    Kashmir or Kerala?

    Kashmiris have been eating beef but, I am not sure if they are very secular
    Kerala or Malayalam or Malayalees have a big Muslim population and are very secular.

  448. #448 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2011 - 12:43 AM

    Australia is slowly but, surely inching towards the target and its getting more and more clear that they will win. Right now 99 runs are needed and 8 wickets in hand, Warner is well settled @75 and Ponting has arrived after UT Khawaja’s departure and playing well.

    I was reading on cricinfo about YK’s double ton and as usual YK was blabbing this, that and the other – usual senseless talk – and was buttering M&M Misbah and Mohsin. He even mentioned that Misbah is an educated man and we all respect and listen to him. LOL @ Andhaon may kaana raja, they respect him because he is educated? In that case bring a professor from Harvard and make him the captain of Pakistan team.

  449. #449 by Mohammed Munir on December 12, 2011 - 4:43 AM

    Well played Australia, slowly but surely they … doomed. 😆

    Also well played to the so-called best team, best captain and best batsman ……… Australia, M.Clarke and M. Hussey.

    I wish Clarke & Hussey played some ‘tuk-tuk’ for some time and tried to win this match for their team. 😉

    On the other hand, Pakistan is now, slowly but surely, inching toward a win. 😉

    PS: Well played Younis Khan, Hafeez and Asad Shafiq.

  450. #450 by Mohammed Munir on December 12, 2011 - 7:58 AM

    Pakistan —— WON …

    Younis ——– MOM …

    I wonder how our Pakistani fans would have reacted if our captain and our best batsman (Misbah & Younis) got out on ZERO (just like Clarke & Hussey) and in case we lost the Test by 7 runs to our archrival (India).

    Scary thoughts …

  451. #451 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2011 - 10:20 AM

    Munir

    You love to pick up words to build an argument – in Urdu we say, “keeray nikal na aata hai tumhe” and when it comes to you, you runaway from the scene, and then come back a week or two later with excuses that you were busy etc., etc., imo that is simply to wait for the dust to settle, mais, je me souviens!

    First of all let me make this clear to you, any prediction made by anyone including me i.e., about the result of a match is based on the situation, conditions and the background of the team. If we or anyone say that so and so will win for sure and if that doesn’t happen that means in your eyes we are “kuggoz”, right? If all our predictions are right then we will not be humans. So, before you try to ridicule or, make fun of us or enjoy in your own world of FP you better think twice before saying nothing. But, you have all the right to say what you ought to say, no one will stop you from doing that, but then everyone will know your “PERTH”. 😉

    You have used my line from my previous comment, i.e.,m when I said: ‘slowly but surely Australia is inching towards a win’ that at that time it was appearing like that. But, cricket is a funny game, many strange things have happened so I am not surprised because, this is just a game.

    What you have ignored is my previous two, three comments on this Aus/NZ match, wherein I have said, ‘in any case this match will be very interesting.’ “this match will go down to he wire” and it did, the result was bound to come and the balance shifted all of a sudden when their two key batsmen were out on a duck, a game is always very unpredictable and uncertain.

    The way POllard the Keira was batting it seems he will finish off the game but, at the same time I wrote, the moment he is out the match will be over i.e., when the WI had lost 8 wickets. And, it happened. You didn’t pick up those lines but, you did the one which makes you feel good. Be happy.

    Your sarcasm on Hussey and Clarke is only to prove a point that your Geedar is wearing a Sher ki Khall which is a misfit apparel and you think he is the greatest ever. As far Hussey I never liked him from day one, he has won a lot of matches for Australia but,he has also gone cheaply a few times. But, Clarke is a good player and he got out on a zero doesn’t mean anything because, even the greatest of the greats get out on a zero. And Clarke is a class player. In any case the match went down to the wire and it was interesting as opposed to the minnow bashing wo bhee Sunhaar Ki Terha, tuk tuk.

  452. #452 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2011 - 10:30 AM

    Man of the match award: Younus Khan got it because of the 200 tuk, tuk not out against a third class bowling attack.
    Whereas Hafeez who scored 143 valuable runsdeserves that award because he was the one who set up the innings first with the other opener and then with the next batsman and he was there till the score was 265/2. It was easy for any batsman to come and play confidently from thereon because a strong foundation was laid by Hafeez, who also took a wicket of Tamim Iqbal the opener in the second innings and in the match he took total 4 catches.

    Similarly, in the Aus/NZ match Warner was given the man of the match award for his century albeit ending on a losing side. Whereas, in my opinion it should have gone to the New Zealand bowler Bracewell took 9 wickets in the match.

  453. #453 by Sentinel Prime on December 12, 2011 - 10:35 AM

    JAk/MM

    Australia defeated South Africa in ODI series recently and drew the Test series.

    They are a better team than this.

    This is a rare performance by them and a rare performance by NZ but it doesn’t alter the fact that, Australia is a strong team.

    When was the last time NZ beat a stronger team than themselves? It was probably when they beat Pakistan in some matches last year.

  454. #454 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2011 - 10:54 AM

    khansahab

    There is no point in trying to convince Munir, bakaoz he never stays on the blog to face you, uska style aisa hai jaisay koi, ‘pahar kay peechay chupp ker jaldi say ek goli chala day aur phir chupp jaye’ He will come back when he gets another kartoos and another opportunity But, unfortunately he always mis-fires and its a waste of his so-called ammunition.

    Btw, I forgot to mention that Ross Taylor thanked Misbah for the laters phone call before he batted for the second innings in which Misbah told him, just follow my footprints and you will succeed so he did, and Taylor’s strike rate of 33.13 in the second innings was his lowest ever strike rate. But he is a happy man like Misbah!

  455. #455 by Mohammed Munir on December 12, 2011 - 12:23 PM

    JAK / KS …

    When I am in the ‘maidaan’ you both are not here and sleeping, so no complaints.

    And I was really out of UAE for few days, and it’s not like I am running away or anything. 🙂

  456. #456 by Sentinel Prime on December 12, 2011 - 12:24 PM

    PCB to prepare England series pitches in UAE

    LAHORE – The Pakistan Cricket Board will send its own curators to the UAE to supervise the preparation of pitches for the Test and one-day series against England next month. Pakistan’s former captain and coach, Intikhab Alam, has also been told to travel to Dubai and Abu Dhabi and inspect the preparation of pitches for the coming series in which three Tests, four ODIs and two T20 matches are scheduled to be played from January 17 onwards. “It is a home series for us which we are playing in the UAE. So it is our responsibility to see the preparation of pitches for the series,” a board official reported to have said. He said although there were qualified curators at the two venues but the PCB also wanted its own men to be involved in the process of preparing pitches.

  457. #457 by Sentinel Prime on December 12, 2011 - 12:27 PM

    PCB’s legal team to defend Ashraf’s appointment

    KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Board’s legal team will appear in Lahore High Court (LHC) on December 15 for the hearing of a petition against the appointment of PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf.

    The petition has been filed by Tariq Asad Advocate, who has raised reservations against Ashraf’s appointment. He argues that the current chairman cannot hold his seat as his appointment goes against three legal clauses, a concerned board official told ‘The News’.

    The new PCB chairman is already facing charges of corruption relating to Zarai Taraqiati Bank Limited and a case is pending in the Supreme Court.

    A senior official of the board said: “People tend to file cases against high profile people to get fame and it is a similar case.”

    Ashraf was appointed by the President of Pakistan and PCB Patron Asif Ali Zardari.

    The board official said Ashraf would not face any problem.

    “A common person cannot challenge the authority of the President. It is the discretion of the top official of the country to appoint anyone he wants,” the official added.

  458. #458 by Mohammed Munir on December 12, 2011 - 12:36 PM

    JAK / KS …

    I guess the S/R is not that important in Tests and it would have been great even if Clarke took 100 more balls and scored those 7 vitals. In ODIs and T20s it is a different game, but not in Tests.

    What is the use of finishing the Test in 3/4 days when you end-up loosing it ❓

    Secondly, in a team not everyone has to be a ‘hitter’ and there has to be a mix of different batters. Moreover, not everyone can play fast, and similarly not everyone can play slow. Both type of batsmen are needed and have their own importance.

    BTW, that reminds me, Misbah’s life time S/R for the ODIs is 75, which is not bad, you see.

  459. #459 by Mohammed Munir on December 12, 2011 - 12:41 PM

    KS …

    I agree about Australia’s good performance against SA, and that is why their loosing to NZ is like Pakistan loosing to Bangooz. Really, I mean it.

    I think the difference between Pakistan and BD can be compared with the gap between Australia and NZ teams.

    How would you like Pakistan loosing next Test to BD, and Misbah and Younis getting out for Zero in second innings ❓

    I am sure, you will kill them both.

  460. #460 by Sentinel Prime on December 12, 2011 - 12:51 PM

    MM

    What happened to Australia is known as COLLAPSE. It is something that happens to all teams very occasionally.

    I don’t think the situation can be compared to what is happening with Pakistan. You can’t say that a team has the option of either playing negatively or just collapsing. Australia, India, England and South Africa rarely ever let their run rate fall beyond 4 and this is why they are in the top 4.

    I agree Mishap’s career ODI strike rate is decent, but his strike rate for first two years was 90+. Who criticised him in the first 2 years? We were all happy that Inzamam’s replacement has come so early.

  461. #461 by Sentinel Prime on December 12, 2011 - 12:53 PM

    MM

    No team has never reached top 3 or top 4 by scoring at 3 or 2.5/over which Misbah’s Pakistan team has been doing.

    This might have happened before 2000, but cricket has changed in the past 10-15 years and now aggression is really what makes you a top team.

  462. #462 by Mohammed Munir on December 12, 2011 - 12:59 PM

    It is better to draw than loose ………….. simple as that.

    This Pakistani team is hardly surviving the day, and you think they should be among the top 2/3 teams ❓

    First they have to reach top 4/5 teams before topping, and for that they have to STOP LOOSING.

  463. #463 by Mohammed Munir on December 12, 2011 - 1:01 PM

    JAK …

    What is a “Kuggoz” ??

  464. #464 by Sentinel Prime on December 12, 2011 - 1:20 PM

    MM

    That is where I think you have perhaps misunderstood the situation.

    With the bowling talent Pakistan has, they can never be a below ranked team.

    So many captains and coaches have been tried for the past 8-9 years but Pakistan has remained in the 4-6 bracket consistently.

    If Misbah was not Pakistan’s captain do you think they would lose to Bangladesh, West Indies and NZ? Wasim and Waqar went, Asif and Aamer came. They went, Junaid and Cheema came. The bowlers are taking wickets consistency but batting is directionless and it is pathetic to see them struggling against minnows.

    If they can’t bat more positively vs Bangladesh how will they face the big fish?

  465. #465 by Sentinel Prime on December 12, 2011 - 1:48 PM

    Kumble quits as NCA chief

    Anil Kumble, the former India captain, has resigned as chairman of the National Cricket Academy, two months after a controversy broke out over an apparent conflict of interest. Kumble is president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association and chief mentor of the Royal Challengers Bangalore IPL team.

    ESPNcricinfo has confirmed the news, though an official statement from the BCCI is awaited.

    Controversy arose over Kumble’s co-ownership of a talent management firm called Tenvic that has on its books several young players including R Vinay Kumar and S Aravind, both part of recent India squads and also players for the Royal Challengers. Tenvic – named after Kumble’s ten-wicket haul against Pakistan in 1999 – looks after the commercial interests of the players but Kumble has consistently denied any conflict of interest between his administrative and mentoring roles.

    He said at the time that “less than 2%” of Tenvic’s business was related to “mentoring cricketers”, and that too without any commercial benefit.

  466. #466 by Sentinel Prime on December 12, 2011 - 7:43 PM

    Youngsters must be carefully chosen – Razzaq

    Abdul Razzaq, the Pakistan allrounder, has said Pakistan must be cautious in their policy of picking young players and should ensure only those cricketers with real talent are given a chance. In the last two years, Pakistan have handed 11 different players Test debuts, while another five players have earned their first ODI cap. Razzaq said that rebuilding was necessary, but the selectors should be sure the players they back can be successful at international level.

    “Bringing in young players is a good move and that is an ongoing process,” Razzaq told ESPNcricinfo. “But only talented players, who are tough and have superb class, should be called up.”

  467. #467 by Zen on December 12, 2011 - 8:44 PM

    KS

    it seems winning against minnows is considered to be an achievement!

    IMO NZ is miles better than bangladesh.

    austrlia look to have a suspect batting line up but indians have a worse pace attack than new zealand

    their strength is spin with sydney being the only track which favors spinners.

    i think if pakistan was to chase 240 in hobart they would have been bundled out for 150.

    but right its all abput bangu bashing as if pk is the only teanm capable of beating them.

    if im not mistaken bangu has only won 1 test match in 50 tests- tells you about their calibre.

  468. #468 by Zen on December 12, 2011 - 9:07 PM

    KS

    u posted av link abt weird inzy dismissal

    howzthat 4 bizarre

    just look at woolmer!

  469. #469 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2011 - 10:00 PM

    Munir

    Please don’t say that when you are in Maidaan ………….. most of the time I am up and you ask me what are you doing at this time of the night?

    Well Munir if you think strike rate is not important in test matches then, people who play and organize cricket are not so stupid that they changed the number of days in test matches from 10 days to 5 days. Even a 10 days test match between England and South Africa in Durban in 1939. Even, when 5 days test matches were introduced people used to play for a draw and the general consensus was cricket is going to die soon because it is a very boring game that lasts for 5 days and no result? Hitler called it a stupid game and did not allow it to be played in Germany. Therefore, in 1971 the first international ODI was played between England and Australia at the MCG.

    In the beginning the ODI’s used to be a 60 overs match and even in the first few world cups it was 60 i.e., when Gavaskar played 60 overs and remained not out on 36. Even he regrets now that he played slow.

    In order to attract more people and make the game of cricket like an entertainment, T20 was introduced where he strike rate has to be very high.

    So, IF you wish to keep your ideas, thinking and perception about strike rate, then be happy, its your choice and your way of enjoying a game but, the whole world does not think the way you think – and neither do they think like us – but, to a much greater extent most people like to see test matches to be played in the spirit of winning and not DRAWING, which you think is better than losing, you have to see the context otherwise everything is meaningless. Especially when you can win by improving your strike rate but you prefer to draw, its really sad to see such players and their psyche. In my opinion its a murder of the game.

  470. #470 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2011 - 10:16 PM

    Munir, it appears like in your eyes there is no great player than Misbah. LOL@ the inflated strike rate. I think you either ignored my earlier comment or you have missed reading it i.e., when I quoted Mike Hussey’s average and strike rate. His average in the beginning was a little over 100 and better than DON, then it came down and for sometime it remained in eighties and now it is 51.

    Btw, Missy Baba’s cricket life is 2 – 3 years ONLY. If he plays for 10 years his strike rate will be under 50 especially the way he is playing these days, it hardly reaches 50 and most of the time it is in 30’s.

    Now, please try to under this: A captain is appointed with an objective of leading the team for a long term period of time, and in cricket, long term period is 7-10 years and generally a 25-26 years old is chosen to lead and not a 37 plus Budda, it is obvious that his appointment looks a very political one and they want to keep him till the WC of 2013. Ye ek Bhair Chaal ye hai aur log sirf follow ker rehay hain. Those with tunnel vision or those with blinkers on their eyes cannot see beyond their desks. Isn’t it obvious to you that Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali, Taufiq Umar et all are aping Misbah? Because, they think this is the order of the day. “In Rome do as the ROMANIANS DO.”

    Misbah tou budda hai uska future tou aaj nahee tou 2013 may khatam ho jaye ga…….. what about the youngsters?

    Jawani aur Budhapay may bus itna hee farq hota hai
    Ye Kashti paar hoti hai, aur vo baira Garq hota hai

  471. #471 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 12, 2011 - 10:17 PM

    Kuggoz is a slang, it means Bewaqoof………… jo aap humay samajhtay hain.

  472. #472 by Zen on December 12, 2011 - 10:26 PM

    Jak

    mishap is such a great player and the tuk tuk way he plays,he wont retire till at least 2015 wc.

    His style of play is designed to prolong his career and agony of sports lovers.

  473. #473 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2011 - 4:40 AM

    Zen, exactly! And I am agree….. I think in the previous blog I wrote that he will play till he is 60 years old.

    Munir, if you think I was biased against NZ and supported Australia (because you think I support the strong team whereas, you support the underdogs, in fact you become their UN-DATTA and a savior to protect them as if we are some kinda savages and mercenaries who are out there to butcher them). Please check my earlier comment on MoM wherein, I have said, it is unfair to give Warner that award based on his century whereas, Bracewell took 9 wickets and in the eyes of those people it means nothing.

    Against BD and PK, I vouched for Hafeez as MOM for his 143, one wicket and 4 catches but a double hundred for a dummy player is more important. If you analyze the match, it was Hafeez who set the innings and stabilized the innings, otherwise how many times during this series YK had scored when the openers failed? When you are standing on top a pile of runs, everybody acts like a Sher and Younus just grabbed that opportunity whereas Mr. tuk tuk failed.

  474. #474 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2011 - 5:47 AM

    NewGuy

    Where Art Thou (from) ? 😀

  475. #475 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2011 - 5:51 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Hum Aap Ko Kabhi Bewaqoof Nahin Samajhtay, NEVER.

    On the contrary, I have high respect for you and Khansahab, and I am sure you know this well.

    Not only as friends and persons, but I also acknowledge your much superior cricketing acumen.

    Baaqi Jo Baat Rahi Slow-Cricket Aur S/R Ki Tu Wo Sahi Hai, Kay, we differ our opinions on that issue 😉

  476. #476 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2011 - 6:07 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I know you are not the biggest Australian fan, but my reason of comparing NZ with BD was that since NZ have won a Test match against Australia in Australia after a very long time and there is a wide gap between their performances, so it is more like Pak and BD game.

    BTW, if NZ is better than BD, we also “obviously” know that Australia is also much better than Pakistan … right ❓

    And about your comment regarding MOM, I would have appreciated more if you had nominated Tyler who played the most important innings from NZ side by scoring 56 valuable runs on 169 balls 😉

  477. #477 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2011 - 6:12 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Younis Khan may be a dummy captain, but he is surely not a dummy player. In fact, Younis today is the most important member of our batting line-up more than even Misbah and Hafeez.

    Batting can not survive on ‘hitters’ alone, and specially so in Tests.

    We need Younis and Misbah to support the new guys and ‘hitters’. Their role is more like Dravid for India.

  478. #478 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2011 - 6:16 AM

    Oh … just noticed, there is a World Cup in 2013 and another one in 2015 too ❓ 😀

    Challo Phir Tu Misbah can seriously play two WCs till 2015. 😉

  479. #479 by Zen on December 13, 2011 - 6:57 AM

    Munir
    the next wc is in 2012 in sri lanka

  480. #480 by Zen on December 13, 2011 - 7:34 AM

    Jk

    it was a monumental effort to beat bangla in BD. Pk is striving to be the king amongst the minnows. While india and aus are struggling,pk is beating a top class side like bangladesh.

    Its all bakoz of kheera.

  481. #481 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2011 - 7:45 AM

    Zen …

    I read 2013 & 2015 in above comments.

    Anyways, there must be one for ODI and another for T20, which both Misbah can play. 😉

  482. #482 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2011 - 8:30 AM

    Khansahab …

    Referring your comment no. 464.

    I agree that Pakistan’s bowling talent is better then their batting capacity, however, it is this way for decades now. In between we had occasional good batters but our bowling was always our strength. I believe this is also the case for so many other teams as some have stronger batting line-ups while others have good batting lines. Even India have world class batsmen in Sachin, Dravid, Luxman, etc. but look at their bowlers Zaheer Khan and Bhajji being their best, they have names even like Munna Bhai, Nehra, Sreesanth, Ishant.

    It is rare that some teams have best bowling as well as batting at the same time, and if it happens so then that team rules the cricketing arena for few years, like Australia did or may be SA.

    Waqar & Wasim retired around 2002/ 2003 and last few years of their career they were both downhill, so their peak would have been upto 2000, while Asif debuted in 2005 and Amir only in July 2009. I know Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul and spinners in Saqlain, Afridi, Mushtaq, etc. were also there and they were doing a good job, so I think our bowling line-up had been good since the Imran Khan and Sarfraz Nawaz days, or may be even before that. Althoug, more recently, I think Junaid & Cheema are not to the levels of Asif & Amir, but if they kept their head down and concentrated only on their cricket, they can be better then Asif & Amir in the long run.

    But the point is that our batting was weaker before Misbah and will remain so even after he is gone. So why blame only him ❓

    I also agree with you that Pakistan would have won against BD, WI, and NZ irrespective of who the captain is, but does that mean we should not give even a shade of credit to the existing captain because these are weaker oppositions. If nothing else, Misbah should at least be appreciated for keeping some discipline and control in this historical problematic team.

    Like Misbah, I never liked Mohsin too much and he made few weaker decisions in his early days, but the fact is that Mohsin and Misbah are gelling well with the team and most of the players (juniors as well as seniors) are playing like one unit under their leadership management. I know a lot of this is because of 3 fixers being punished, Ijaz Butt removed, Afridi coming back, but we have to agree that some of it is also because of Misbah & Mohsin and the way they are conducting themselves.

  483. #483 by Zen on December 13, 2011 - 9:41 AM

    If a football team wins a match 1-0 against opposition who could be beaten 2 or 3-0, should credit be given for such performance or criticsm should be the order of the day.

    If a team is leading is 1-0, and its forward is standing in front of unguarded goal and yet he doesnt score bcoz his capt believes in ball posesion and contentment with a one goal lead

    such teams and such approach is severly criticised. Similarly,mishap plays -ve cricket and is happy with only facile victory. Infact thats the nature of the guy which has permeated into psyche of the team.s rajesh’s article pasted on this blog clearly reflects his selfishness as shwn by mishap in world cup.

    Wisdom demands that such negativities be curbed rather than celebrate such pyrrhic victories.

  484. #484 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2011 - 10:11 AM

    Facile victory ❓

    Winning a Test match within four days by an innings and 184 runs ……….. facile victory ❓ ❓ ❓ 😉

    Well, if 1-0 goal margin in football equals to winning by 184 runs and a full innings, then …. wisdom demands, I rest my case 😆

  485. #485 by Zen on December 13, 2011 - 10:51 AM

    when defeating bangaldehs was considere to be a significant achievement

    is this the worst margin of defeat inflicted upon this side?

    against sl pakistan could have achieved a whitewash but a 1-0 lead waxd considered enough

    if bangladesh is a benchmark, then this would mean beating 2-0 bangladesh woud be equal to losing 2-0 to england- 2 tests won, 2 tests lost

    one should keep opposition in mind!

    this is nothing unusual

    there was a hocket team macau which pakistan defeated 52-0

    yet pakistan lost to netherlands in world cup and regularly lost to australia and germany

    if languishing in the misddle of the test table ie 4-6 ranking is enough, then mishap is ideal for that task

    swo a 4-6 test ranking would mean semi or quatere berths in world cups

    hence mishap should aim for that but people are not happy with such HALF SUCCESSES!

    Actually its a simple matter of comparison

    should pk be compared with nz,wi , sl or bangladesh

    or

    with aus, sa , eng and india.

    im not content with these meiji babies being beaten. i believe this is the ideal time to believe that india, sa aus or england can be beaten in their backyards.

    the counter argument would be nz beating australia. yes, thats an achievement, miles bigger than beating bangladesh

    context is very important in evaluating quality of a result

    so a 7 run margin is bigger than 184+inning defeat

    iam pretty confident current pakistani team with this approach will get butchered in sa, aus or england.

    thats my concern, but mediocrity seems to be the target!

    nz beating aus was an upset , pk beating bangla wasnt an upset !

  486. #486 by Zen on December 13, 2011 - 10:59 AM

    bangla has lost 35 of their 73 tests by innings

    so whats the big deal

    sa and sl have inflicted most innings defeats on baangla

    im pasting a paragraph from cricinfo’s match report which again echoes our views about mishap- a defensive, negative captain

    Nazimuddin reached his 50 with a nurdle through midwicket, and summoned the confidence to hoist Ajmal over mid-on for four. Adnan Akmal helped him along with two drops behind the stumps, and Nazimuddin celebrated by spooning Rehman inside-out, and planting Ajmal over midwicket for sixes. Two more pleasing fours followed, and Misbah-ul-Haq – a defensive captain at the best of times – promptly pushed men back to long-off, square leg and midwicket. That didn’t stop Nazimuddin from another loft down the ground, and he grimaced in self-admonishment as soon as he played the shot, realising he had holed out to long-off.

    now again the same voice echoes- defensive capt at best of times, so should there be complains about credit?

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-pakistan-2011/content/current/story/544981.html

    now nitin sundar feels the same- is he biased , delusional or rational?

    do read smart statts in the article.

  487. #487 by Zen on December 13, 2011 - 11:05 AM

    further perspective is provided on this 184 victory by this blog

    http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/inbox/archives/2011/12/bangladeshi_cricket_faces_big.php

    so was it a resounding victory? judge for yourselves

  488. #488 by Mohammed Munir on December 13, 2011 - 11:44 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I can not understand how we can blame Misbah if Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Toufiq Umar or any other plays slow in the team ❓

    Do we give credit to Misbah for Umar Akmal playing fast because of captain, no we don’t, then why only bashing. Secondly, Shahid Afridi is a bigger star than Misbah in Pakistan and much stronger ideal for our youngsters, so why are they so strongly aping only Misbah and not Afridi ❓

    And suppose even if they are following Misbah (which I don’t agree they are), still is it also Misbah’s fault if other follow his consistency and stability ❓ 😉

  489. #489 by Zen on December 13, 2011 - 11:58 AM

    Mishap’s consistency and stability 😆

    these are two misnomers for mishap

    hes only consistent at draws and by being defensive he creates an illusion of stability.

  490. #490 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2011 - 2:20 PM

    Munir

    Zen has already answered most of your questions (while I was away from the maidaan as you say) may be there are a few more things that I can also add, but you have not answered mot of Zen’s questions, especially in his comment in which he has copy pasted some info from cricinfo.

    You say that you cannot understand how we can blame Masba if XYZ are playing slow in the team. It is so basic, simple and elementary my dear Watson that anyone can understand this point and if you say that you don’t understand it , I have to raise my eyebrows ~ ^ and say: “either I am not doing a good job or you are a simpleton,” by the way these are not my words but a famous expression from Tom Peters the management guru who charge $50,000 per day for a lecture.

    Just before concluding his lecture in one of his seminars, he said, “, when you are leaving this hall I want all of you to think or say, that whatever Tom has said today is nothing new, I already know this BUT, why am I not applying this in my life or, why can’t I see what he sees?” If you think that I have said something great and enlightened you with my knowledge, then “either I am not doing a good job or you are a simpleton.”

    What is the order of the day? Worship the Rising Sun. If the captain himself is playing slow, they are aping and the names I have mentioned are of those players whose place is not guaranteed in the team and in order to please his captain and his coach he is playing slow to score his fifty and cement a place in the team. The reason I did not mention Umar Akmal and Hafeez’s name is because they have proved their mettle and are more assured of a place than those three. Therefore, they play their natural game. Umar Akmal is a good stroke player and we have never criticized him for his batting but for his politics “Bhaiyya ko support kerna and faking injuries etc.”

    Hafeez under Afridi has grown and matured because, Afridi not only recognized and appreciated his abilities but he encouraged Hafeez …. if you don’t want to agree with this, don’t say “I cannot understand…”

    In order to please your boss don’t you (I mean most people) try to bend over backwards? (don’t translate this expression in Urdu, but in English its very common to say that) that is exactly what these young players are doing.

    And, for your information I don’t regard this Younus’s double as a big achievement. He has been out of form for more than a year and a half and may have scored an odd fifty and this is not an achievement from my standards. If he had scored a hundred or a 150 against SA, England and Australia I would have appreciated more. All his doubles came against India and his triple was at home. How much has he scored against SA in SA and against Aus in Aus?

  491. #491 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2011 - 2:34 PM

    Munir,

    You have mentioned about Pakistan’s bowling as its biggest strength…….. this is a kinda misnomer. NO team can win matches based on bowling or batting strengths alone. Pakistan always had some real good performers and not just “A” Tendulkar or “A” Gavaskar. The batsmen were of good standards right from Hanif, Saeed, Majid, Sadiq, Mushtaq, Asif, Zaheer, Miandad, Saeed Anwar, Saleem Malik, Ijaz Ahmad, Inzamam, Mohammad Yousuf and they also had good all-rounders in Imran, (even Wasim scored good runs, he has a test double?) then Afridi, Razzaq, Rashid Latif etc., so the team was very balanced.

    Indian batting was packed with good batsmen besides the two big names but, their bowling was weak and once that improved with Zaheer Khan leading the fast bowling department they started winning. Otherwise, Sharma Shurma, Prabhakar etc., were mediocre bowlers, so it is always a balanced team that has more chances of winning.

    Australia has always been a very balanced side. West Indies of the 70’s and 80’s was mighty not because of Andy Roberts, Marshal, Holding, Croft, Garner etc., but also because they had Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lloyds, Sobers etc., that help the team dominate the world.

    You can say that Pakistani bowlers in Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Actor were good. Imran produced the two W’s but, what did they produce? Two A’s? Dono kay Dono Ganday.

    Ps.

    Shukriya kay aap humay Kuggoz nahee samajhtay! 😀

  492. #492 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 13, 2011 - 2:58 PM

    LOL @ Gautam Gambhir’s response to Nagaraj Gollapuddi’s question:

    Nagraj: You are going through a phase where you are getting starts but not converting them. Your last Test century came in January 2010. How much does that affect you in your batting?

    Gautam: It is not that I’m not scoring runs. If I was getting out cheaply or getting very low scores…

  493. #493 by Sentinel Prime on December 13, 2011 - 10:08 PM

    “It’s a huge milestone, which will be very difficult to break. As far as I’m concerned, my batting position doesn’t allow me to do it:” Shahid Afridi on Sehwag’s 219.

  494. #494 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2011 - 1:44 AM

    At least Afridi is honest in admitting and saying that he won’t be able to do it. This was an attempt from the media to get something out from his Akhroat brain and then create a hype about it or create unnecessary unpleasantness among fans, but he is wise enough this time not to boast about it or say, Yes I can do it or I will do it. It is better to accept reality and admit that it is a milestone. Whether he can do it or not is something else.

    People find it hard to accept defeat gracefully. Aamir Khan the boxer is a UK national and Pakistanis are supporting him because of his roots and because he is a Muslim. They are fighting over how the referree made mistakes etc. And, when I asked them to accept the defeat gracefully, they attacked me like a swarm of bees on the DAWN blog.

  495. #495 by NewGuy on December 14, 2011 - 3:12 AM

    KS and JK,

    I was not able to post a reply for two days.

    So, where were we .. yes, where I am originally from, I helped by eliminating many parts, that only leaves just a couple of possibilities which JK got down to. Sorry, Sentinal, not a Gujrati, far from it. C’mon, did you really have to put me down like that 😉 Just joking, one of the things about Indians are that there is a lot of stereotyping, like Gujjus are like this, Panjus are like that, so on .. and people from my state are stereotyped too.

    I am from Kerala.

    The state with highest human development index, literacy, social awareness, etc ..

    I grew up in the regions surrounding the labyrinth of brackish canals, lakes, and rivers. The Kerala culture is very unique in that for Centuries before Kerala had trade with Arabs, European, and Chinese. This has highly influenced the development and customs of the state. For instance, Islam did come to Kerala through the northern invasions of the sub continent. It came through trade with Arabs, some of whom settled and promoted the religion. In fact, unlike the rest of subcontinent Islam most likely was not forced up on Kerala Muslims, rather adopted through this trade and communication with Arabs. Some of the Kerala Muslims are half descendants of Arabs who had trade posts in the region.

    Similarly Christianity also came through the sea, first Portuguese, then Dutch came for trade, and then Saint Thomas came to spread the religion. Many Kerala Christians use language similar to old Aramaic, a dialect called Syriac which has many words in common with Aramaic.

    Now you probably get where I am coming from in all this debates. Kerala has 56% Hindu population, with 24% Muslim, and nearly 20% Christian. You cannot find a more diverse state than this in India. All the religions and cultures and centuries before trade with Arabs, Portugese, and Dutch has created a very unique culture and landmarks in the state.

    Coming to food, naturally all these influences can be seem . Besides the backwaters I talked about is a strong eco system with variety of fish and shrimp varieties. Being close of Arabian sea makes abundance of sea food available. All this influence the food habits. People eat lot of Fish. Fish curry and Fish fry are staple foods.

    Large Muslim and Christian population makes beef widely available. I never eat it at home growing up, but we had plenty of fish, shrimp, scampy, lobster, oyster, mussels so on. These are all prepared with traditional spices in a hot and tangy curry sauce then eaten with rice. It wasn’t until I was 13 or 14 when I first had taste of the very tasty Kerala spicy Beef fry. The staple combination is Kerala Paratha, called Porotta actually, with Beef Fry. It melts in your mouth, and is a great combination. Mostly I used to eat it at restaurants where it is available plenty.

    Anyhow, this is the long story short.

  496. #496 by NewGuy on December 14, 2011 - 4:50 AM

    Here goes the story of MoM for Aus-NZ Test match.

    Controversial viewer voting system is being discarded after first experiment.

    Many people are critisizing the system where Aussie viewers selected by voting on mobile phones Warner should be MoM instead of Bracewell who took 9 wickets including a 6 wicket burst in Australian 2nd innings to win the match for NZ.

    Instead Warner’s century in losing cause was selected by Aussie viewers voting on mobile phones. Reality show has made it into Cricket truly.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-new-zealand-2011/content/current/story/545308.html

  497. #497 by NewGuy on December 14, 2011 - 4:53 AM

    Also I don’t think YK should have been MoM for his double in the recent test.

    It doesn’t have to be the guy who made most runs always as MoM. Context is important. I agree YK would not have probably made this double without openers putting up a stand. The match has in PK side once openers put up 100+ runs on board and overcome BG first innings.

  498. #498 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2011 - 5:45 AM

    NewGuy

    I just wanted to share this with you. We have a very diverse multi-cultural society here and among the Muslims too there are more than 25 nationalities and among the desi there must be people from another 20 different regions. We usually get to see them at the large mosque in congregational prayers. Here, I am referring about two gentlemen, one is from Lucknow and the other is from the South of India. This guy from Lucknow is in his mid-sixties and the other one is in his mid- forties. With the Lucknow-wala, I talk for a few minutes i.e., when he tries to get my attention by saying a few verses from Ghalib’s poetry and I usually respond. With the other guy I talked about his cultural background and his education in France etc.

    Once during a Ramadan dinner at the mosque both were sitting on the same table with me. So, this Lucknow guy asked the other one, where are you from? He said, I am from the South of India, he asked again where exactly from? He said, OK make a guess, it used to be a French terriory before. Then he said, Oh, I know, I know and let me think but, he couldn’t then this guy asked me, what do you think? I said you are from Pondicherry! He said, I am impressed how do you know that, I told him that a history teacher in Dubai while explaining about his region’s history said, “Dupleix conquered Pondicherry,” then he translated in Urdu/Hindi and said, ” Dupleix pakar liyeh, kya pakar liyeh? Pondicherry pakar liyeh.” That I will never forget for the rest of my life because it was so funny….. Anyways so I told the guy that Pondicherry is the only place that came to my mind when you said, it was a French territory.

    So, this Lucknow guy said, “I know, I know it is famous for the highest rainfall in the world.” I told him WRONG. That is not Pondicherry it is Cheerapunji and it is in Meghalaya which is a part of former Assam and the average rainfall is about 460 inches. So pls. don’t confuse Pondicherry with Cheerapunji. This guy from Pondicherry his name is Faiz, he was stunned and the guy from Lucknow his name is Sufian he was taken aback. Faiz asked me, how do you know so much about India? I said, I love going to places and I have never been to any of these places but, its my desire to go there one day so, I like to know and I read. Like, I want to go the Great Barrier Reef in Queensland Australia, the Norwegian Fjords, Tanzania to see the Mt.Klimanjaro and the Arousha National Park etc.

  499. #499 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 8:16 AM

    mom awards are populist choices. hence it would be very difficult to give hafeez mom if yk scores a double. having said that mom are never true indicators of pewrformance. sometimes thewy give the wrong impression.

  500. #500 by Mohammed Munir on December 14, 2011 - 10:01 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Regarding Pakistan’s bowling strength, although, I didn’t use the word “biggest” but I still would say that yes our bowling is much better than our batting talent and it has been this way for many years, if not decades. I didn’t mean that Pakistan was a useless batting side and our “only” strength was bowling, but what I meant was that among the two departments (bowling & batting), Pakistan’s bowling always had an edge over it’s own batting performances and it is so for many many years. Secondly, this is what even KS had said in his comment no. 464 and I agreed with him. 😀

    In fact, I don’t think Sadiq, Mushtaq, Saleem Malik, Asif, or Ijaz Ahmed (Ijaz … for god sake, the guy had flaw in his stance) were world-class batters comparing to Australian, West Indians, or Indian batters of their era, but they were good only among our own lot. Whereas our bowlers, Imran, Qader, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Akhtar, Afridi, Mushtaq, and more recently Amir, Asif, Ajmal, etc. are world-beaters not only by Pakistani standards but in “context” of world cricket.

    Lastly, I wrote these bowling comments to KS but it was replied by you, while what I wrote to you earlier was answered by zen, and similarly what I ‘may’ write to zen ‘may’ be answered by someone else. This gets me a bit confuse ……. only a bit. 😉

  501. #501 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 11:47 AM

    Well, we all tend to write on behalf of others. sometimes others give more valuable input than the person who’s being addressed.

    bottom line is whether query is answered or not

    its just like a discussion where sometimes others weigh in with more valuable points.

    afridi is being honest, he knows its an everest.

    Newguy, my inlaws have relatives in kerala. well its good to know that ur from there.

  502. #502 by Mohammed Munir on December 14, 2011 - 12:47 PM

    my inlaws have relatives in kerala.

    Well, there must be an easy way of saying that. 😉

  503. #503 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 1:18 PM

    Noooo…..!

    U are looking at it from the wrong ANGLE

    my mum in law migrated to pk

    rest of the family members dispersed and rite now there r some very distant cousins ovr there which r almost out of contact,so we refer to them as distant in laws or relatives of inlaws.

    perhaps u meant that i should have said inlaws

    anyway, sometimes one considers someone an angel w/o looking from all angles 😉

  504. #504 by Mohammed Munir on December 14, 2011 - 1:47 PM

    Itna Lamba Nooooo, it’s nothing to be so ashamed of, you see. 😉

    BTW, its funny how spellings become so important by none other then the Spelling Champion of the blog. 😆

  505. #505 by NewGuy on December 14, 2011 - 2:05 PM

    Javed Khan,

    Very interesting story. Like you I too am interested in reading up on places and one day visiting places, other than just the typical touristy locations.

    You have more knowledge on India than many Indians that I know. This is not very surprising to me, since I know from this blog you are traveled a lot and interacted with many people, cultures, and customs.

    Many Indians don’t know much about Kerala and Malayalees, except for some stereotyping. Therefore I am many times reluctant to tell people where I am from, or form a group with other Indians like many desis tend to do. Besides I don’t like this idea of joining a desi group and chatter around.

    In terms of appearance or how I speak, I am not easy to key hole as a south Indian or a north Indian, so many times they don’t know where exactly I am from.

    Zen,

    Interesting to know your in laws have relatives in Kerala.

  506. #506 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 2:28 PM

    i think munir what primarily interests you is how people rate an opportunist, spineless, gutless leader mishap!

    nice try but no cigar!

    now time for some icons- noooooooooooooooooooooo………………………….

    anyway, thank you for your interest but im not interested

  507. #507 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 2:54 PM

    well thank you newguy

    my mum in law was from some place changanasherry – weird name.

    anyway, i know the culture there is quite unique and boasts of fishing industry, and loads of greenery.

    perhaps there was a time when people planted a lot of rubber trees etc.

  508. #508 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2011 - 3:02 PM

    Munir

    When you were talking about Pakistan’s bowling and batting, to my mind it never occured that I am comparing only Pakistani bowlers and batsmen and not in the context of world cricket. Ijaz was a good batsman and so was Saleem Malik, if you don’t to accept it, then it is another matter. Sadiq was a decent opener as compared to today’s openers, Mushtaq was not only a good batsman but, he was a useful bowler – on his debut he smashed Wesley Hall for several boundaries, at that time Hall was considered to be a terror who used to start his run-up from the boundary line and his bouncers were hooked by Mushtaq and not one or two but almost 10 of hem. He also scored a very vital and match saving 101 against India in Delhi test in which there were 20 fours and he was considered to be a dashing player. Saleem Malik was a solid player who demoralized the Indian fast bowling legend in that famous ODI against India in Calcutta. 72 runs were needed in the last 6 overs and he finished the match under 5 overs. Asif Iqbal had a few records not just against India in Pakistan but, also at Lords.

    Ijaz may have had a flaw in his stance with his Bum attracting the Sher-e-Punjab gallery in Sharjah but, his record of 13 sixes in his 130-140 odd runs century against India is still remembered by many, he too was a good stroke player. (Chanderpaul has a very weird stance, but he has many world records, so?) The point that I was emphasizing was to highlight the fact that it wasn’t just good bowling but, batting too was good. You can have good bowling attack but, what can you do if your batsmen fail? And, mind you those Pakistani batsmen used to play against the best West Indies and Australian bowling attack, so please don’t see only one side of the coin i.e., what the commentators say and people start repeating them and aping them. They have their own agenda and some useless high profile writers have nothing else to do except for echoing he same drivel and the masses start believing them as the word of Holy Gospel. That is why there is an expression, use your own gray matter! Especially when it is not a rocket science.

  509. #509 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2011 - 3:18 PM

    Zen

    It is Changanacherry and it is a town in the district of Kottayam.

    The reason I remember these names is because in the bank we used to make bank drafts for the expat workers who used to make remittances to their home countries. Apart from Kottayam, there is Mallapuram, Trivandrum, Thiruvananthapuram, etc. etc. and I asked one of my colleagues why their names are like C. K. Mohammad and what does it mean? He sait the names have prefixes which indicates their address like, Changanacherry Kottayam Mohammad. So, instantly people know where he is from? Like, most Arabs have their father and grandfather’s name before their own given name.

    And, there were some female workers in the bank and they were from Tamil Nadu and Telugu Desum and they used to mention the names of silk sarees (I am not sure if NewGuy would know) and i.e., DharmaVaram, KanchiVaram …… and I used to say PittuGaram. I wonder how many of you as kids have played PittuGaram? Whenever I talk about the days of adolescence, I think of that poem, ‘the smiles, the tears of boyhood years….’

  510. #510 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 3:33 PM

    well jk your geography is good

    generally people dont have so much info about places.

    Its true when you say that paki batsmen of 80’s had to face tough bowlers like holdings, marshalls, lillees etc

    modern day cricket has very few of that breed left. perhaps some of those batsmen were better than today’s batsmen although stats indicate a different story.

    Qibla

    kahan ghaib hain

    naam hamara zen hae aur maraqbey mein aap hein kya?

  511. #511 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2011 - 3:43 PM

    Munir

    At least you have “some” con-fu-yen in your mind whereas, Zardari has “Chay-OSS” in his mind.

    Did you know that Zardari said, Chay-OSS for Chaos during his speech in the UN?

    Actually he was reading his speech and he read Chay-OSS for Chaos, since then his speech writers have started using phonetics,

  512. #512 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 14, 2011 - 3:46 PM

    Zen

    Yehi tou baat Munir ki samajh may nahee aati !
    There is lot of con-foo-yen in this sitoo-way-shun.
    But, Munir will not change his Poiyun
    Bakaoz he wonlee watch Tele-V-Yen.

  513. #513 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 3:59 PM

    its ok if one disagrees- everybody has his own views.

    but one should discern between cricketing issues and personal matters.

    see newguy says he feels reluctant to disclose his identity.

    I understand why but would it sound nice if I say to Newguy that dont feel ashamed! ( im just giving an excample to illustrate my point). It sounds very cheappp…..!

    hence if I have some resentment due to newguy’s views about a player so would it be nice to counter it that way- thats back stabbing!

    love compels a person to cross many boundaries.

    It doesnt upset me at all even If a person persists that 2+2=5.

    But one shouldnt resort to personal attacks

    Having said that, these things do happen. So on my part, there are no hard feelings or grudge!

    But Mishap is a player and nobody has his copyrights. We can view him whichever way we want.

    On this blog, people exchange some personal info apart from cricketing issues. Its different than cricket and it shouldnt be used to mock anyone!

  514. #514 by NewGuy on December 14, 2011 - 5:27 PM

    JK,

    I am very familiar with the sarees you have mentioned, they are named after the places they originated, Kanchivaram or Kanchipuram is famous, and so is Banares silk, so on ..

    As for names, to take your example C.K. Mohammed, the C and K initials could stand for the places, but mostly they are his father or grandfathers names and / or combined with his house name. Most houses in Kerala used to be known with a name and not a number, it has changed recently in cities and planned communities. But in small towns and villages people are known by their house names. So, the C.K could stand for his house name starting with C and his father or grandfather name starting with K. These end up being very large names and very hard to place on passports.

    Lucky for me, my father was a well traveled man who has been to USA and Japan in the late 50s and early 60s, much of his views were influenced by interacting with different cultures and he passed those on to us. He also names us correctly with First Name and Last Name basis, so I have no issues like that. Also in the recent generation of last 20-30 years everyone follows this convention, at least those whose parents are educated.

  515. #515 by NewGuy on December 14, 2011 - 5:40 PM

    Zen,

    You said “see newguy feels reluctant to disclose his identity”, you have understand that I have no shame in identifying who I am, I know you didn’t mean it that way. Since this is a blog, it is hard to see and know my state of mind.

    There two parts to it. One, I used to freely give away my name and real e-mail on blogs before. But I had a bad experience with a Jerk who decided to take vendetta against something I said by sending a letter to my then employer. Lucky for me, my superiors did not think much of that. But since then I stopped using my real name and e-mail, at least until such time when it cannot affect negatively people close to me.

    Second part about regional identity, as I said Kerala is one of the most advanced places in India, and the people are far ahead in social and other elements of society compared to rest of Indians. My only problem is desis trying to form a group and behave differently with one another, but in another way with goras. Therefore I treat everyone equal, and without bias.

    I know the reason why most desis want to know where you are from, is to form a group, to whether you are Gujarati, or Punjabi or what not, and to speak in that language, and get to on their side just because you happen to be from the region.

    I don’t like this attitude. I treat everyone equal, on merit, as a human. So my position is, so what if I am from anywhere, I am not your friend on enemy on that basis, I will treat you like anyone else, and you do same to me. Some Indians find this very uppity.

    Then there is another group of desis on opposite side, they behave as if they are not even Desi and try to go suck up to Goras. I don’t like that either. To me, treat everyone equal, and I expect to be treated on my merit as a human.

    This is what I am really talking about identity. My identity is who I am as a person, and I don’t like people trying to get to know me by judging me on region, religion, color, caste, etc.

  516. #516 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 6:57 PM

    Newguy

    you speak from the heart- I can feel that!

    I understand the reasons for concealment behind your identity and I agree that a person should be judgfed on basis of his views, not by his ancestory, ethnicity etc.

    thats why I also prefer not to go into the identity fuss. I know it will resulkt in either extreme- an over positive or over negative response.

    If I were to discuss my complete background it would lead to many questions, a scenario i dont like at all.

    Its better if bloggerrs treat me the way they read me, rather than gauge me on basis of identity.

    Anyway, if one is eating almonds a bitter one may come-thats life.

    Its not that I feel any embarrasment in discussing my identity but I hate ch2 rersponses. So better be reserved!

  517. #517 by Zen on December 14, 2011 - 7:57 PM

    Wasim excused himself from task force

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=28615

  518. #518 by Ali Ahad on December 14, 2011 - 9:44 PM

    Why Inti’s head is always ahead for all the comittee’s ? They are so many former greats whose heads are bigger and brighter than Inti’s head.

  519. #519 by NewGuy on December 14, 2011 - 11:11 PM

    Zen,

    I don’t want to belabor this point further. But, this is just common sense of remaining anonymous over internet, because it is not just you, me, Javed Khan, an Sentinal, or Munir reading all this, besides there are search engines and bots that can dig up things just based on a name or part of name. For someone whose employment or future employment prospects can be impacted by seemingly innocuous things you say, it pays to be more careful. We live in a world where even innocuous things are extrapolated and made news of. That’s that.

    As for people who I meet face to face, there is nothing to conceal. I only have a dislike for people trying to find out where I am from within five minutes of meeting me, when it as effort to find out their comfort level. In other words, some folks are simply comfortable with someone of their own color, religion, language, so on .. I don’t like that attitude and try to avoid having close contacts with them. Because they prove to be not trustworthy, they have all these biases in their head.

    I will narrate an example. There was once a guy who I worked in the same office with, this guy will go around and if he sees an Indian he will immediately come over and start talking. Then he wants to know where you are from. He is from a particular state in India, and he is interested in knowing whether you are from there and speaks his language. Then he will immediately break into that language, sometimes in front of other people who don’t understand the language. If you don’t speak his language, next he will speak in Hindi and starts telling things about other people. He has this bias against Goras, that they are biased, go figure. First, he is the one biased that they have something against him. He needs to fix that. Then he tries to be friendly with me, I avoided him, except for some basic conversation. This is negative type of connection that I tried to avoid. I don’t care he speaks my language or Hindi, or what not. His comfort zone is that, and he doesn’t want to come out of it, it’s not my problem. He would need to open up his mind, and be little bit more accepting. After a while this type of person goes around talking to other people behind your back. So, I avoid people like that. It’s not that I don’t tell him anything about myself, I just tell him and send him on his way, and be professional, instead of being his so called “friend”.

    I hope that makes it clear.

  520. #520 by NewGuy on December 15, 2011 - 1:12 AM

    I want to respond to the discussion on Pakistan’s batting vs. bowling. This is a common myth that traditionally Indians have been stronger in batting while Pakistan is stronger in bowling.

    I think this view is perpetuated by the presence of such star bowlers on Pakistan side such as Wasim, Waqar, Imran, Saqlain, Akhter, Asif, so on .. and on Indian side batting super stars like Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, so on..

    However, if you really look at 10 year periods at a time, you will realize that there have been really two decades, 80’s and 90’s when Pakistan was a very balanced team, and one decade in 2000’s when India is a very balanced, India is balanced in this decade that started so far, we don’t know what will happen going forward.

    While Indians never had a Wasim, Waqar, or Akhter, their bowlers did the job. Otherwise how do you explain wins against the most dominant Australian side, not just in India, but also in Australia when they won Test matches on both 2003-04 and 2007-08. Different bowlers did the job. There weren’t one super bowler. India always found someone to do the job. Whether it is Agarkar in Adelaide, RP Singh at Perth. Likewise how to explain wins at Headingly, Johannesburd, Durban, Kingston, Nottingham, so on ..

    There was always one or two bowlers, Zaheer, Sreesanth, Ishant, Irfan, all did the job one time or other. Indian bowlers do not get the credit they deserve sometimes, because it none of them see to be able to last long injury free and maintain form. But they as a unit, whoever is playing at that time, have done the job.

    Similarly, while Pakistan had bowlers who went long, maintaining fitness and form, their batsmen did the job. There were long line of good batsmen. Miandad, Zaheer, Saleem Malik, Ijaz Ahmed, Inzi, Yousuf, Younus, so on were good batters, and they did the job.

    Therefore the record created by some Indian batsmen and records created by some Pakistani bowlers should not be taken to say it was always batting for India vs. bowling for Pakistan.

    Also very important to note that Wasim, Waqar, Akhter, so on played on reputation alone while they were out of form and possibly carrying injury, like wise Indian batting stars carried on in the team while out of form, Tendulkar one time, Dravid one time, Laxan as well.

    So, it is not one way or other. In Pakistan team always bowlers went away with admiration, while there were batsmen who deserved kudos and did not receive.

  521. #521 by Zen on December 15, 2011 - 4:08 AM

    Newguy

    you are discussing concept of anonymity with a blogger who himself is anonymous!

    Why do u think im anonymous? Im pretty well aware of the reasons behind anonymity but i dont think security is an issue on at least this blog.

    For my money, its more about prejudices and privacy. How much of my identity i want to share and how much i want to remain private?

    See u didnt go on any blog and tell people over there that u r from kerala or things about ur father etc. This is harmless info yet you must have thought about it and made a disclosure.

    U have the luxury that its a predominantly paki blog and u dont have to deal with regional prejudices. Debate abt mishap has a strong regional dimension and his supporters feel that it is fueled by that.although my roots hail from the same region,i see things on merit and dont believe in regionalism but ironically im an Exception.

    Ill weigh further on this matter later but i think we r almost on the same wavelength.

  522. #522 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 4:12 AM

    NewGuy;

    1. Good to know that your first name is New and last name is Guy!

    2. As far as your experience with a nut case, I don’t blame you or others for using a nick name. A decade ago when I used visit desi chat sites and BBC message boards, I used nick names too. But, on cricket blogs, PakSpin, Dawn blogs and here I have been using my real name for almost 8~9 years. The middle abbreviation A. stands for Ali, so now you know it is not Ahmad or Ahmaq. 😀 On this blog I used to write my email address in the profile but, one bad experience and, I removed it. It wasn’t from a nut case but, “A Nut-nee”. She was flooding like, 10 -20 emails everyday and that too bouquet of virtual flowers and cheap romantic poetry, whereas I never made any advances or tried to flirt because, a blog is an open book, a public forum and I would never do that (not at least in the virtual world) but, she was kinda infatuated. khansahab knows the whole episode, thank God we were able to get rid of her from this blog.

    3. Munir uses his real name and he has been blogging with us since the last 6-7 years and he used the same name on Pakspin it is up to every individual. As regards revealing personal information, on this blog, I do a lot and I don’t hesitate in narrating my past experiences or stories and I share them. Once again it is up to an individual and his comfort zone of sharing info on a public forum. I know people reveal more info through an email but, it is different and it also depends with whom you are sharing? In any case it is not a big issue. So, lets bury the hatchet.

    4. About Pakistan’s bowling strength and India’s batting strength, you have said EXACTLY what I have said but, in different words. I have always said that it is a misconception. It is like you keep telling a lie umpteenth number of times and people start believing that it is the truth.

    5. About the names like C.K. I just gave you an example of one of the guys whose name was C. K. Mohammad, he used to work with us and he told us about the Mohalla name and street name and also father’s name too. In the same branch, there was an office boy and everyone used to call him George, I was new in the branch and I thought that is his name and a few days later, I discovered that his name was something, something Thilakaran. I asked him, why is he using his name as George? He said, its not me, the manager said, your name is very difficult and I will call you George, since then he was called George. I went to the manager’s cabin, closed the door behind me and I said, ‘how about I call you PHAJJA? He said, WHAT? I said, yeah your name is Fazal ur Rahman, right? And in Lahore they call Fazal as Phajja, so its fine for you, isn’t it? I could see from his face that he was very upset. I said, you don’t have the right to call Thilakaran as George. The manager was stunned but, he could do nothing, he was fuming that I being his assistant, I am so blunt and rude. I came out and announced loudly: From today everyone should call him Thilakaran instead of George otherwise, I am going to take action and report the matter to the GM. After that no one called him George. IMO it is ridiculous to change someone’s name in a real world. Who the FK are you to do that? Just because he was an office boy you changed his name and do you have the courage to do the same to your boss?

  523. #523 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 4:14 AM

    Ali Ahad, Inti Alam has some clout and a lobby behind him otherwise he wouldn’t have been in such committees. Secondly, bhai please don’t call “former greats” say, former players. Greats keh keh ker hum nay unn sab ka dimagh kharab ker diya hai.

  524. #524 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 4:17 AM

    Zen

    Isn’t it a blessing that Wasim has excused himself from that task force, imagine voh youngsters ko kya kya gurr sikhata? I think Sarfaraz Nawaz should have followed Wasim, because he is a real uncouth big mouthy fella. Those who are there in that task force are strange bed-fellows. Dahee nahee jum nay walee, so good that Seem is out.

  525. #525 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 4:30 AM

    LOL@ Zardari discharged but, will still remain in Dubai.
    Pasha visiting Arab countries to clarify about COOOOOO.

    Like they say Gol Maal hai bhai Gol Maal or,
    Daal may kuch Kala hai …… there is something like,

    Bhains ki dumm bay vajah nahee Ghalib
    Kuch tou hai jis ki parda daari hai…

    (let a Bengali say the second verse in Urdu :D)

    Array Bhoi K.ss tou hoi Zis Ka Porda Dari hai.

  526. #526 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 4:35 AM

    RANA nayee, still playing international cricket????????

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/15/fixing-not-my-cup-of-tea-shahid-afridi.html

  527. #527 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 5:18 AM

    DAVID Frost talks to IMRAN KHAN


  528. #528 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 5:30 AM

    Please note that during the interview with David Frost, Imran Khan appeared bold and blunt by calling a spade, a spade. But, how good it is from diplomatic point of view or how politically incorrect he is in talking against the US policies? PLUS he also used the word DICTATORS AND MONARCHS in one breath when talking about democracy in the Middle East. How will he be received in the US and in the KSA, UAE or other GCC countries i.e., IF and WHEN he is elected as PM or President of Pakistan?

    Ps. He praised Indian democratic system and also talked about the Pak Army role….. in other words he has covered most of the imp. points.

  529. #529 by Mohammed Munir on December 15, 2011 - 6:54 AM

    Seems like I stepped on cat’s tail, or rather laid my foot on a landmine ……….. 😆

  530. #530 by Zen on December 15, 2011 - 8:06 AM

    A man is judged by his ideals!

  531. #531 by Zen on December 15, 2011 - 8:12 AM

    Zardari looks dead for all practical purposes

    waseem bhai smart cricketer hae,usey commentary mein zyada maal nazar aata hae

    sawal ye hae key mishap kaunsi mask oh task force mein jaega

    how to draw a winning test match

    or

    how to beat bangla by innings and ek sau chaurasiii… Run!

    Or

    kheera ugao committee 😛

  532. #532 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 8:36 AM

    Munir

    When you step on a landmine you blow up yourself or, sometimes you lose a leg or two. Don’t gimme the impression kay tum nay aatma hattiya ker lee? Half line likh ker jo ghayeb howay tou yehi impression milta hai. Like Abida Parveen says: ” Wo jab bhee gaya.. husstay hassatay hee gaya …….. buss yehi ek baat hai acchi meray hur jayee ki.”

    It is from:

    Koo ba Koo phail gayee baat Shana Sayee ki
    Uss nay Khushboo ki terha meri pazeeraie ki
    Vo jahan bhee gaya laota tou meray paas aya
    Buss yehi ek baat hai acchi meray hur jayee ki

  533. #533 by Zen on December 15, 2011 - 8:43 AM

    jk

    if one admires a personality,he should staunchly defend him.failure to do so either means personality is flawed or reasons for admiration are weak.

    I think in mishap’s case its a combo.his fans know his calibre is bloated plus it has to do with his background.

  534. #534 by Mohammed Munir on December 15, 2011 - 8:50 AM

    NewGuy …

    I am actually relieved that you are mature and sober enough not to misunderstand this ‘little-Misbah-chat’ we are having.

    I have tried to keep you out of this issue and thus far avoided directing my comments to you for sometime now. This was simply because JAK indicated that I am using other’s shoulders to fire my gun (Tupak), which I didn’t intend on doing.

    I would never like to cause an offense to you in any which way, not only because I am already having enough on my plate 😉 but also because I know you for many years now and we understand each other much better then that.

    Still I never hesitate in rendering my genuine apologies to you in case my comments are being wrongly-interpreted and rather manipulated to paint a totally different picture.

  535. #535 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 9:39 AM

    Munir

    Ref. your comment no. 534 it gives a clear-cut indication that you are implying that only NewGuy is matured and sober enough to understand you whereas, the rest of us are NOT. Although you are using icons (like you always do) to mask your emotions but, it is very obvious that you are very upset and asking NewGuy to concur your views. And, this is not the first time, I reckon that at least on two occasions you have done this before when khansahab, sagaat and I were airing the same opinion and you complained that you are 3:1 against me, once you asked Awas to rescue you and once to Theo. Come on yaar don’t be serious this is just a blog and we all know each other for a long time, enough to understand each other and yet you get so serious?

    If you have said anything to annoy NewGuy or made him feel bad then, you should be rendering your genuine apologies, since you haven’t said anything to him, why are you extending your apologies? And, I am not manipulating or painting a different picture of your views and comments to ridicule you, please – don’t even think about it ! You say things in a joking way, you add a wink or a smiley icon. And, I say things in a joking way but, I don’t add an icon. BAKAOZ, I have a dry sense of humour.

    And, that firing a gun using someone else’s shoulder is a very common expression in Urdu language and a lot of people say that. In Karachi they say, this is a Nazimabadi approach i.e., they want to say something instead of saying these are my views, they say, “boss, falana aapkay baaray may ye keh reha thaa..” It is called Baat ki Baat, Khurafaat ki Khurafaat …… bakri ko churr gaye bayree kay paat. Btw, no one appreciated my fil-badee parody on baat ki baat .. which I made it on Misbah in the previous thread. I can understand that you didn’t like it because you are in lao with Masbah (wink) and NewGuy may not have heard those Khurafats before, khansahab ki Urdu tou sirf “I am agree” ki shayeri tak mahdood hai aur Zen nay tou lift hee nahee kerayee! (sad face)

    Chalo you want me to change the subject……. there you go……….. watch me !

  536. #536 by Mohammed Munir on December 15, 2011 - 9:51 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Tum Nein Mujhay Yeh Tu Bata Diya Key Landmine Key Baad Kiya Hota Hai, Ab Yeh Bhee Bata Du Key Billy Ki ‘Poonchh’ Pey Pauon Rakhnay Sey Kiya Hota Hai ❓ 😉

    On a different note, is absolutely not necessary that every one on a blog had to communicate with everyone else.

    Like myself everybody is certainly free to air their views on whomsoever they deem fit, but I don’t have to answer to anyone whom I don’t want to.

    And that reminds me, I have to reply your comment no. 258, isn’t it ❓

  537. #537 by Mohammed Munir on December 15, 2011 - 9:55 AM

    Javed Khan …

    I replied your 532 above and not 535, the ‘Ghazal Kay Ashaar’ were nice, liked them.

    We have crossed 500, so let’s change the subject and the thread too. 😉

  538. #538 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 15, 2011 - 10:01 AM

    We have a new thread, so lets discuss it over there. Thank you.

  539. #539 by Zen on December 15, 2011 - 10:10 AM

    Jk

    i think i should stop blogging coz im not sober or mature and i dont understand certain cumments 😉

    i dont want to go into maturity fuss but it seems praising a ch2, bogus capt like mishap is benchmark of maturity 😆

    btw if newguy is smart,he can easily understand who’s manipulating cuments and who banks on his support.

    I cited his statement to illustrate my point which was very clear and there was no malice.

  540. #540 by Sentinel Prime on December 15, 2011 - 11:16 PM

    Newguy

    I am guilty of triggering this discussion about your ethnic background. However did I not indicate in my comment that you seem to be from southern India?

  541. #541 by Sentinel Prime on December 15, 2011 - 11:19 PM

    Ali Ahad

    One of the reasons for pathetic performance of Pakistan team is the involvement of these so called “ex greats”. They have spent their entire careers being involved in controversies, personal jealousies and ego problems.

    Management requires education and unbiased vision and these ex greats don’t have any of that.

    Why anyone would want Zaheer Abbas to hold any position of authority is beyond me.

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