During the last few weeks we haven’t seen any real quality cricket, even though Pakistan was playing in the UAE against Sri Lanka and now one is playing in Bangladesh and the other in South Africa there is no action, no aggression either they are one sided matches or totally and completely dull and boring. Jayasuriya was saying the Lankans will adjust and Intikhab was saying Pakistani bowlers will trouble England in the UAE. These are all ifs and buts.

So lets shift our focus towards the South Pole ….. I mean Australia and India series which will start from the Boxing Day at the MCG. Laxman was saying Australia’s aggression has always helped him in getting the best out of him. Tendulkar surprised Gavaskar by giving up a century – by retiring from the match and not from cricket – while he was in his mid-nineties. It shows the little man is in some form and does not care any more about his hundredth international hundred. That is a good sign. Dravid looks solid as he has always been. Dhoni, I am not sure about his batting form but, I hope he will raise to the occasion when it comes to deliver. I am sure Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli will not make the selectors feel that they have taken a wrong decision in leaving behind Yuvraj, Jadeja and Raina.  And, Ashwin has to prove his worth in the team by not only taking wickets but, also by scoring runs. The two new fast bowlers Yadav and Aaron should be of some assistance to the senior fast bowlers like P. Kumar and Zaheer Khan.

The Australian team is not taking easy at all, they know that they have to pack up fast bowlers in the team and it is good to see new faces in their side, almost half of the probables for the Boxing Day match are new or making debut. Here are the names of the probable Australian team: David Warner, Shane Watson, Ed Cowan, Usman Khawaja, Ricky Ponting, Michael Clarke (capt), Michael Hussey, Daniel Christian, Brad Haddin (wk), Peter Siddle, James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon. The names highlighted are the senior players whereas the rest of the team is relatively new. There is no Mitchel Johnson, Lee, Nathan Bracken etc.

The team looks pretty balanced to me and the young blood inducted must be roaring to perform especially Daniel Christian who is an all-rounder. There is one thing which is guaranteed here is there will be a lot of action unlike what we have seen in the last couple of months.

  1. #1 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 20, 2011 - 11:42 PM

    WE have a new thread now, please post your comments here …….. thank you.

  2. #2 by Sentinel Prime on December 20, 2011 - 11:47 PM


    please write comments here….

  3. #3 by Sentinel Prime on December 20, 2011 - 11:47 PM


    What Veena has done, how is it affected by men? She has done everything according to her own choice. In Pakistan she had the freedom to make fun of politicians and mimic personalities and also act and model. She wanted more exposure and went to India.

  4. #4 by Sentinel Prime on December 20, 2011 - 11:52 PM


    Again you are comparing apples with pears.

    Lindsay Lohan had looks, acting talent and she can also sing. Yeah, she has ruined her life like many drug-addicted celebs. But, she is not pretentious and cheap like Veena.

    Yaar tum yeh Hollywood ko Lollywood ley level par nahi ley aao, beech mai bohot saari industries hain.

    Why not compare Veena to someone from Rajnikant movies?

  5. #5 by Sentinel Prime on December 20, 2011 - 11:55 PM


    If KHI rally is a success then the whole country will be affected.

    It won’t matter whether it is Musharraf cronies or the handful of “clean” PTI members who are winning votes.

    Media will say, Imran united Pakistan because every ethnicity will be there. And this slogan will take Imran to PM house.

  6. #6 by Sentinel Prime on December 20, 2011 - 11:58 PM


    Whether Pakistan will be a top 3 team whenever is a different matter.

    The problem now is that because of slow batting vs minnows and negative approach interest in Test cricket is dying.

    I mean, people don’t want to watch Tests in Pakistan anyway in the grounds. And now they should lose interest in watching it on TV too?

  7. #7 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 12:07 AM


    So your position is that if Pakistan win or draw vs England then captaincy should be credited and reverse swing/”home” conditions might help?

    But if they lose then England is the no 1 team anyway and beat India and others convincingly?

  8. #8 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 12:24 AM


    Qibla,ye do andon se ek choza kaisey nikla- i mean 2 parallel threads.

    Im agree test ckt is dying and mishap’s selfish and -ve captaincy is the reason.

    Although i said mishap ul butt will remain capt even if he loses but people will openly say that he’s a minnow basher.

    Regarding newguy’s view abt descrediting mishap,i hav 2 points

    we proved via arguments,expert blogs (rajesh cricinfo blog),analysis that he deliberately lost the wc if a player does that,its better he gets ousted as he’l do it again.

    Secondly,he’l make test ckt redundant and i hate such a scenario so as a ckt fan its my duty to cry foul.


  9. #9 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 12:47 AM


    pata nahi kaunsi manhuuuuuuuuuus gadhri thi ke mein ne veena aur maulvi ki example di. wo din aur aaj ka din , roz iski khabar aati hae. aur to aur is blog par bhi permanenet hogae hae. mein to bezaar hogaya hun. mujhe pata hota aap ko itni khaar hae to kabhi zikr na karta.

    janab, it was newguy who compared them and i agreed with his analysis to which he later gave a piety sermon w/o realising these women are celebrities and we can praise them or criticise them no matter how justified or unjustified it may be. this is a point which munir never understood as he thinks mishap ul butt is some divine angel/angle sent to save pk cricket and hence shouldnt be criticized w/o realising his father ijazz butt was kicked by him. nothing new coz thats the paki mindset. just like u now support immi as u feel he’ll support mush 😉

    qibla baat ye hae ke ye sab kharab aur badkirdar auratein hain. ye paisey aur sex ki pujari hain. inka relative muaazana apni jaga,jaisey mujhe kim sab se zyada pasand hae magr harkatein sub ki ghatya hain.

  10. #10 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 12:51 AM


    doosri baat ye hae ke mein ne zamaana hua indian movies nahi dekhi. ab mujh se ye darde sari nahi paali jati. 3 ghantey ki film mein 6 gaaney, wohi ghisi phitti story, ab stamina nahi hae. to i dont know any rajnikant chalu actress. I only know these lasses aur ya P chopra aur mein usey veena se kabhi compare nahi karsakta

    haan shayd kareena ka mustaqbil mein program ho to…….. ( hehe…) 😉

  11. #11 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 12:54 AM

    qibla comment 7

    if pk wins mishap will get credit

    if he loses pk will look for a scapegoat but this sentiment will become a fact that pk is all minnow basher

    khasees raja seems concerned- he no longer dances with a kheera behind his back.

  12. #12 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 12:56 AM


    now we will talk tomarrow abut veena, test cirkut , amraan khan, musarraf and etc etc……..

    its invocation time now here!

    sounds coming

    have a goodnite

    sweet veena dreams

    a man is known by his thoughts- u talk abt veena a lot, dil mein kuch hae lagta hae asaf ki waja se narazgi hae

  13. #13 by NewGuy on December 21, 2011 - 2:53 AM

    Australia team has been announced, and there is no Usman Khwaja, I believe he was given a few chances and he did not covert them into big scores, so now they are giving chance to another person. In this team Ricky Ponting stands out as someone who has gone beyond expiry date. It has nothing to do with age as there are three Indians who are playing that are older, but Ponting hasn’t been making convincing runs. His average in last 4 years is now below 40. It must be time for him to bid good bye.

    Anyhow, there will be fireworks, as there are many personalities on either side capable of a spark. Watson, Clarke, etc are no angels on the field. Indians have the likes of Gambhir and Kohli, who can serve it up as well.

    Let’s hope things will be under control, and not like last time when India toured.

    Boxing day test is always a challenge, and hopefully Indians will perform better.

    Zaheer is important not just because of his wicket taking abilities, but he can lift the whole bowling and fielding unit. We have seen this time and again. In Durban last year against SA, on a fast and bouncy pitch, Zaheer came back to the team and lifted the whole unit, India bowled out SA for 135 runs in first innings. This is after the first Test in Centurion ended up in a mauling for them.

    I still recall what Shaun Pollock said, he said “I don’t see them recovering from this, you can expect more of the same in Durban, and what can Zaheer do, he is just one man”

    After the Durban Test, Pollock was singing a different tune, he said yeah, I thought they could not come back, but I see younger bowlers looking up to Zaheer, and he lifted the whole unit.

    Javed Khan also told me ZK is a decent bowler, but he does not rate him in the top fast bowlers league, while I agree with this, he is more important than his own individual contribution to this Indian bowling unit. I have not seen, Steyn, or Anderson having that effect on their team mates.

    This is why I wish he is fully fit, more important than any batsman in team, if Zaheer Khan is in form and fit, he can not only get important wickets, but he can fire up the likes of Ishant Sharma, and Umesh Yadav to get wickets.

    Lets hope for a very competitive and interesting series.

  14. #14 by NewGuy on December 21, 2011 - 3:03 AM

    It is good to see the two warm up games are being played in good spirit.

    In both games, Australians have allowed plenty of batting time for Indians, even when possibly they could have gone on batting on couple of occasions. Indians returned the favor by declaring their innings and allowing their hopefuls to get some show time.

    This is in stark contrast to what happened in England this year. English county teams, when they had the chance to bat on went on batting and making sure Indians are not getting enough time to practice. They also refused to allow Indians to play 13 players. This is done sometimes so that in batting two people get chance, and in bowling new two players will come in. While the players on field are always only 11.

    English county teams were under instructions from England team think tank not to give Indians any edge. Indians did not help themselves by preparing well.

    The point though is that English were not very welcoming, while Australians always in recent times have had better relations with Indians. This is because the two boards CA and BCCI work well. Money is a common cause for sure. ECB for some reason, perhaps ego, do not work that well with BCCI.

  15. #15 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 4:24 AM



    Michael Clarke (capt), Brad Haddin (vice-capt), Dan Christian, Ed Cowan, Ben Hilfenhaus, Michael Hussey, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, James Pattinson, Ricky Ponting, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, David Warner,
    13-man squad with Shaun Marsh, Ed Cowan and Ben Hilfenhaus included, but there was no place for injured allrounder Shane Watson and fast bowler Ryan Harris.

    I dunno what was the reason to drop Usman Khawaja he was doing pretty well against the New Zealand team and re-build the innings with Ricky Ponting. In fact it is Micheal Hussey who is not in form but, he is playing because of his reputation.

  16. #16 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 4:32 AM

    Veena Ho, Ya Lindsay Lohan Ho, Ya Sunny Leone Ho, Ya even Kim Kardishan Ho ….

    They are all good for only one purpose. 😉

  17. #17 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 4:45 AM

    Javed Khan & Khansahab …

    The new thread timings and subject p peoples use to say on PakSpin 😉

    Javed Khan and KhanSahab are One Person 😀

    Javed Khan = Khan Sahab 😆

  18. #18 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 4:46 AM

    * proves that what peoples use to say …

  19. #19 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 4:47 AM

    MELBOURNE: Ricky Ponting’s international future could be in doubt if he fails to make runs, regardless of the former captain’s standing in the game, Australia coach Mickey Arthur has said. Ponting has scored two half-centuries in his past four innings but appeared badly out of touch as he scored a total of 21 runs in the second test loss against New Zealand in Hobart earlier this month and Many former players and pundits have demanded the 37-year-old step down or be pensioned off………………… this is the news from Australia.
    LAHORE: Misbahul Haq’s international future is as solid as his defence, he continues to make runs at snail pace and remains not out on most occasions hence his average his twice as much as his strike rate. Regardless of the captain’s standing in the game, Pakistan cricket authorities have said that his place is rock solid and there is no question about removing him. He has scored a few half centuries and remained not out, in some cases where the match could have been won had he improved his run rate but, he decided not to take chances of winning and decided to go for a draw, which is a very rare quality because drawing a test match is better than losing.

    Of course, a lay man or the general public cannot understand this complex equation called Mishap. Most former players and pundits et moulvis have demanded that since he is “anal-haq” he cannot be pensioned off……… it means the government will have to pay his pension which they cannot because the public is not paying taxes and upon asking the public replied, if you give us money then we will think about watching a test match under Misbah’s captaincy…. this is the news from Pakastan.

  20. #20 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 4:50 AM

    Munir iss baat kay kehnay ka sai tareeka ye hai

    They are all good for bad purpose! Tum itnay shareef aadmi ho koi bad kaam kero ge?
    Kabhee nahee!

  21. #21 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 4:52 AM

    Munir btw, Kim kay sath Mishap dekha gaya

    watch this:

  22. #22 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 4:59 AM

    Temp. in Mirpur is +16C hai bhai Bongaliyoun kay liyeh tou Sordee hai. They must be wearing RAZAI while playing.

  23. #23 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:02 AM

    Javed Khan & Khansahab …

    On Sunny Leone and other similar news … well guys the simple fact is that Dubai is much closer to India (Pakistan) than UK and Canada.

    So like NewGuy said, you can’t escape the information overdose.

    We have stream of TV channels, tabloids, internet, magazines, newspapers, etc. etc. which keep you updated without much efforts.

    Then we also have series of colleagues, friends, customers and acquaintances who want to exchange these celebrity news with you almost like a daily ritual and you have to keep yourself abreast of all happenings, be it good or bad or even ugly (in this case).

  24. #24 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:08 AM

    LOL @ Kim’s Mishap ………… Hahahahah.

    Mishap Ki Phurtiaan Tu Daikho Zara, Kim Ko Bhee Nahin Chhora 😉

  25. #25 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:16 AM


    Nice try to justify your view and good excuses that you are forced to abreast of all happenings…… As regards information you can get it at both the poles i.e., if you have a satellite TV arrangement. The point is like you say there are stream of TV channels and blah, blah which uploads information directly into your brain’s hard drive and you cannot escape from the routine spam that you get. Mere bhai ye baatain BV ko batao shayed vo maan lay!

    Since you can’t come here for the holiday, I’ll go to your house – – This analogy is from the famous expression: “if the mountain won’t come to Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the mountain.” Until and unless you turn on your computer and go to a certain page, you cannot get the info because the page does not pop up on your screen……. it does if you are watching Neeli’s movie Veena can pop up and she can also hide in your closet.

    If corporate bankers have to go through the daily ritual of watching, discussing and debating Sunny, Veena, Meena then …… ho gayee phir corporate banking!

  26. #26 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:18 AM

    Munir, I think you are too naive to think of the obvious thing only……….. Kim ko us nay dekha tou Mishap ho gaya!
    Isko kehtay hain premature ehtelaam ul haq.

  27. #27 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:23 AM

    Nasir Hossain pipty bana gaya bhai……. chattak ur Rahim the chipkoo-keeper is also a chipkoo-player aisay hee kaptaan nahee bana, they can frustrate the jiyalas.

  28. #28 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:31 AM

    Azhar Ali dropped Nasir Hossain at the bowling of Gul. If the fielding remains the same, they will regret dropping catches against good teams. We have already seen how Tendulkar capitalized 4 dropped catches in the WC semifinal. Against England if they do this, they will not win a single test match, especially if they drop one of Kevin Pietersen

  29. #29 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:31 AM

    Javed Khan …

    On that ‘Gadha’ crossing the river in search of green-grass, my answer will be as follows:

     If that Gadha is in Dubai, he will cross the river by ‘jet-ski’ (water-scooter) to reach to the grass.

     If he is in Canada, the ‘Gadha’ will cross the river by walking on ice because all lakes/ rivers will be frozen due to cold weather.

     If that Gadha is in Pakistan, he will pay some bribe and to our politicians/ police who will deliver the grass to him.

     If he is in India, he will tell Veena to bring him some green grass and he will cast her in a movie.

     If he is in China, he will employ two cheap labourers to cut and bring the grass to him.

     If the Gadha is in England, he will never cross the river and instead grow his own grass on this side of the river.

     Finally, in America, the Gadha will get the grass smuggled by CIA using a dorne plan and some influence from Obama.

  30. #30 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:34 AM


    The Gadha is in neither of these countries you have mentioned and none of those resources you have mentioned are available, so come on think quick and get me an answer, jaldi, jaldi, jaldi…….. come on!!!!

  31. #31 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:40 AM


    If you can’t come up with the correct answer, you must admit by saying, “I give up” so you wanna give up or you wanna continue?

  32. #32 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:43 AM

    Not only TV and Internet, but when you have 70% of your colleagues, friends and customers from India, you automatically get this info.

    On that Gadha ….. Ok Tum Khush Ho Jao ………. now tell me the answer.

  33. #33 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:45 AM

    I won’t tell the answer, until you say
    I GIVE UP.

  34. #34 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:45 AM

    Bangooz Tu Chipak Gaye ……… I think this test is going to draw. 😦

  35. #35 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:46 AM

    Is the answer somewhere in (I give up) ❓ 😉

  36. #36 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:46 AM

    DRAW honay per tum kion udaas horay ho? Misbah ki tou ye awaleen khowahish hai kay match draw ho jai.

  37. #37 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:47 AM

    Munir yar jawab dena hai do ya phir janay do iss may durr kis baat ka?

  38. #38 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:49 AM

    Ok Bhai …………. I give up.

    Tu Jeeta Mein Hara 😦

  39. #39 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:50 AM

    Nai mai nahee jeeta

    Balkay tum jeetay

    shabaash……….. congratulations………….. Gadhay nay bhee yehi kiya thaa !!! 😀

  40. #40 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:56 AM

    Hahahahah ………… LOL

  41. #41 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:58 AM

    This is a 72 runs partnership and all BD needs is to play for 3 more hours to assure for a draw because the lead would be around 130-140 and Mishap’s team can never make that many runs in the last session. So, it all depends on this ChottoKeeper and Hossain Bhoyee.

  42. #42 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 5:59 AM

    Its time to take a nap, Shab-bekhair MaSalama wa il al liqa… au revoir

  43. #43 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 5:59 AM

    Yeh Gadha Misbah Ka Hota Tu Haarta Ya Jeetta Nahin, Bulkey “Deraw” Karwata.

  44. #44 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 6:00 AM

    is vaqt tou vo misbah ka nahee thaa … zara ghaor say dekho……

    take care

  45. #45 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 6:01 AM

    Good Night ………. Ab Araam Sey Sona, Kahin Veena/ Meena Aur Sunny/ Wunny Aur Kim/Lim Key Chakar Mein Jagtay Mat Rehna. 😉

  46. #46 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 6:03 AM

    I like your Arabic, it is much better then many Desi who have liked for long years in UAE.

  47. #47 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 6:04 AM

    Lived for ……

  48. #48 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 6:13 AM

    Ek aur deraw mubarak

    mishap ul butt munshi ke astabl mein khush 😎

  49. #49 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 6:34 AM

    Azhar ali and hafeez bowling 62 aend 63 ovr.

    Its quite clear who’s trying to draw and who’s trying to save the match.

    Well played Ikhtitam ul haq- murderer of test ckt

  50. #50 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 7:49 AM

    Javed Khan …

    Referring your comment no. 258 (from the previous thread). 😉

    I fully agree with your statement that, the mind sees only what it is prepared to see and nothing beyond that, and it applies to all of us.

    I had read your comments as well as the details in the pasted link. I have also taken the following points from the very same article of “S. Rajesh” and highlighted few of his comments for your conveniences.

    BTW, the article was named (The crucial first 15 overs, and mysterious Misbah), while all the hoopla was created on “mysterious Misbah”, the first part of the article’s title “The crucial first 15 overs” was completely ignored.

    Anyways, please read the below in your free time and enjoy. I have taken liberty to paste the same link once again, just to refresh our memories, since the matter is old now.


    The crucial first 15 overs, and mysterious Misbah
    The margin of the result was exactly the number of more runs India scored in the first 15 overs compared to Pakistan

    As it turned out, almost all the experts read the wicket wrong. MS Dhoni and Sachin Tendulkar admitted as much in the post-match presentation, and from the scores it’s obvious that run-making was a lot more difficult on this Mohali pitch than it was expected to be. The team composition and the early overs suggested a score of around 300 would be a par total, but later events showed it was another subcontinent track on which run-scoring against the hard new ball was much easier.

    In that context, the difference between the two teams was the runs they scored in the first 15 overs, when the ball was new. Pakistan’s top three played useful cameos too, but none of them exploded in the manner that Virender Sehwag had. Sehwag’s 25-ball 38 allowed India to rack up 99 in the first 15 overs, compared to Pakistan’s 70. The difference of 29 was exactly the margin by which Pakistan lost the match, which means in the remaining 35 overs, the two teams scored exactly the same number of runs. Of course, the approaches of the two teams at the start were obviously different since Pakistan knew the target in front of them, but Pakistan struggled as much as India did in the middle overs. What made their case worse was the fact that they got no reciprocal help from the Indian fielders, or from the dew which was expected to set in later in the evening.


    Well, from what I can make out of the above is that Pakistan lost that semi-final within the first 15 overs because of our bowlers and more then our fault it was genius of Sehwag who took the game away from us, while our openers could never play in that aggressive fashion.

    Although, I am not boasting of having found any needles in a haystack within 5 minutes, but what is so noticeable in that article is that we have lost the semi-final because of several other major factors besides Misbah’s slowing batting which was just one reason.

    There are a few very obvious and clearly stated facts in the article, while there are a few unsaid and implied points which everyone may not get but someone like yourself who understands the game so well will easily realize.

     Slow start in the PP overs.

     Sehwag’s aggressiveness.

     Gul’s failures, who was having a good WC thus far. Umar’s was our best bowlers, and his figures were 8 overs for 69 runs @ 8.62 rpo and zero wickets. (Will someone like to talk about that please ❓ )

     None of the openers could give us a start similar to what Sehwag gave to India.

     From overs no. 16 to 50, both India and Pakistan, scored exactly the same runs, whereas the difference was in the first 15 overs.

     Bad fielding by Pakistan, including many dropped catches.

     Neither India nor Pakistan could read the wicket correctly, so a target of 260 was never easy as it was initially thought.

     Slow batting by several of our senior batsmen, including Misbah. However, I agree among the batters the one who is present on fiend longer is always held responsible more then the ones who get out and sit in dugout. So by that logic, Misbah’s fault is bigger than Younis, Razzaq, etc.

    The above views, although extract from the same ‘S’Rajesj’ article, are very contrasting from the ones portrayed in your comment no. 258. I neither liked Misbah from his earlier days nor am his life-long fan, but I don’t have anything personal against the guy and I do value him as a useful player and best choice for Pakistan captaincy in context of existing circumstances.

    PS: This comment was partly done sometime back but I could not post it earlier, I finished it and here you go.

  51. #51 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 8:36 AM

    Someone on Cricinfo …

    Shivang: “I think what BD cricket wants right now is more ‘application’ from their players which to my mind is missing. Someone needs to tell them that draw is also a result..England enroute to their No.1 status played out 4 last wicket draws!”

    The importance of a “Deraw” 😉

    Pakistan is trying for another draw, but they ‘may’ win if Hafeez didn’t get out soon.

  52. #52 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:00 AM

    an article’s title reflects what it centres on

    there is only one player mentioned in the title

    it could have been first 15 overs and genius of sehwag- no it wasnt primarily genius of sehwag

    why it is first 15 overs and genius of mishap- bakaz his selfishness lost the match

    PS- now a reply will come in 2012. anyway its refreshing to see cumments with less icons.

  53. #53 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:02 AM

    shivang bhai englund derew matches when they were losing.

    anyway I unerstand u r talking about BD, they should focus on a deraw, not pk bakaz they are good at changing winning matches into deraws.

  54. #54 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:06 AM


    its not leg slippers here who are criticising mishap’s butt butta a few other sexperts- not the shafqi, abbasi etc…..

    qibla reead this and notice how truth echoes

  55. #55 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:17 AM


    it doesnt stop here; even during pk-sl series there were objections to his defensive approach

  56. #56 by Mohammed Munir on December 21, 2011 - 9:19 AM

    From Cricinfo Comments …

    This is looking very interesting because the light has faded and it’s not going to be easy for Pakistan, even if they were chasing just 80

  57. #57 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:27 AM


    2-0 scoreline and another cucumber for mishap

    ab qibla boley gae ke bangus 2012 mein arahe hain aur phir yehi hoga- koi baat nahi

    no1 team badri hoti hae ya no5

    aisey to no5 hi rahe gi better than due wi,nz, sl ala bla bakaz of unexisting circumcisiontances !

    btw, jk u understand the game yet what you say is not accepted; how estrange

    u clearly object to mishap’s style of captaincy!

    rajesh ne jiss para mein mishap ko latadra tha wo NRO ki tarh ghayab kardiya gya

    are ghalti hogai, naam to rajesj tha- werong angle!

  58. #58 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:28 AM

    so what

    1-0 ya 2-0

    pablac to kahegi mishap jeeta

    no5 team jindaabad

  59. #59 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:34 AM

    ab cricinfo pe ek fan ye kah raha hae

    Pathan: “If Pakistan are defeated by bad light, then they only have themselves to blame with the slow slow scoring rate in the first innings. Very similar to the match against Sri Lanka.”

    magr isey kya pata, caallapse bhi hoksakta hae

    1-0 kaaafi hae

    wisey bhi pathan mishap se khaaar khaatey hain 😛

  60. #60 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:39 AM

    Gul’s failures, who was having a good WC thus far. Umar’s was our best bowlers, and his figures were 8 overs for 69 runs @ 8.62 rpo and zero wickets. (Will someone like to talk about that please ❓ )

    why someone should talk. even if anybady talk i nat listen bakaz if mishap ki buraai ki to mein nahi maanta

    haan tareef ho to fhir mein kahunga banda changa ae, cirkut jaanda ae

    o bhai jaan bhooj kar match haarna aur baat hae

    koi beghairat 50 kar ke bat nahi lehrata jab team har rahi hoti hae

    match pk haar chuka tha aur balaa hawa mein dikha key afridi ko auqaat batai jaarahi thi

    ab iska kaun jawab dega- jawab 2012 mein naat now

  61. #61 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:52 AM

    rameez tweet on cricinfo

    There is concept called stretch where u stretch your limits to attain new heights. Pak was in a great shape to expand its talent reach ag.BD

    sorry rameez we disagree

    its the best team in the world with the best captaaan

    cool as a kheera

  62. #62 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:55 AM

    well hafeez is tryin g

    hes hitting and trying to to avoid a deraw

    arey hafeez ye kya kar rahe ho

    aisey to no1 nahi banogewy

    cricinfo pe ek sexpert kahta hae englund 4 deraw karke no1 bana

    butta hafeez says were happy with no5 bakaz of circumcistances

  63. #63 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 10:17 AM

    jaweyd paaee

    tusi jkosh diladya younas aur ajhar ali nu

    dono hitting kar rahe hain aur estrike rate bohot changa aae

    deraw khalaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssss…………

  64. #64 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 10:20 AM


    younas ne sixedar mara

    josh mein aagaaya hae khochaaa

    chalo ji advance mubaraaakkk

    2-0 hoegawa

    qibla aap key mahirana tabsrey ki darkhuast

    goya ke aap choti ke sexpert nahi samjhe jaatey awaam ki nazar mein magr hum aap key tajzye ke muntazar hain

  65. #65 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 10:24 AM

    aaya aaya cool aaya winning shaat mareygaa



    cool ka kheeraaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    im naat -ve, im seductive

    dekhaaa ye hota hae chase- kaisa dhoya taap ki team ko

    aaae taap ki team

    o gadhe bd no 9 ya 10 hae

    ji, to 1 wadaa hota hae ya 10


    to fir hum ne wadi team nu maara, khwa makhwaa engliund englund karte ho

  66. #66 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 10:26 AM

    cool ka cool estrike rate 300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000……………………………….

    sarry 300

    ab koi aabjection nahi mangta

  67. #67 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 11:45 AM

    progress is motto of cucumber

    Pakistan has moved up a place to fifth on the Reliance ICC Test Championship table, Sri Lanka is now sixth #cricket

  68. #68 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 12:08 PM

    BTW cumment 258 in previous thread is about viv richards facing merv hughes.

    kheera to kahin nazar nahi aarahhaa.

    achaa shayd qable Masseh ke kisi blog mein hoga

  69. #69 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 12:14 PM

    mushtaq bhai sirf 17 saal

    bhai sirf valima hi hae ya koi aur mamala bhi nimtaana hae

    jaweyd paee anjoy karo

  70. #70 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 1:32 PM

    Valima is done within 3 days of the marriage, it is given from the grooms side. If Mushtaq wants to throw a Valima 17 years after his marriage then he should call it a reception but, not Valima. If he is so desperate, then he should go for a second marriage.

    Also, Valima does not mean you invite 500 people, if you invite 4 friends and a couple of relatives especially from the bride’s side it is more than enough.

    Also, people think Haq Meher is supposed to be given to the wife only in case of a divorce, aNO it has to be given ASAP, the same day, the next day or the same week, same month but, not when you divorce her.

    Secondly, if 20 years ago the Meher amount was agreed at Rs. 5000 for example, the value of Rs. after devaluation means nothing, it has to be calculated on the basis of gold, property or some such thing which has intrinsic value. May be that Rs. 5000 of 20 years is worth Rs.300,000 today.


    I never liked this drama called Mushy with his Bushy he was always a very dubious character. Remember he was one of the culprits who were caught on the beach in the Carribean along with Wasim and Waqar and one more rookie, for smoking marijuana and were jailed for 2 nights in the police station.

    In the 1992 WC final when Ramiz caught the last England player, Mushtaq came running to him hugged him and said, “babay iska tou haspatal ban jai gaa, aur apni koTHian”

  71. #71 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 1:43 PM

    Munir your tres long analysis quoted from cricinfo or your added justifications means nothing to me, because I have seen the match live and I have seen in fact all the matches live and I know the Pakistani players better than the writer. So, his analysis are his analysis which he wants to write for a living. USKA PESHA, HAMARA SHAOQ. There is a big difference between the two of them.

    There are no hard and fast rules in cricket to determine the match was lost within the first 15 overs. Those 29 runs actually mean nothing in a 50 over match and I have seen at least a dozen times that they have easily accelerated the pace and achieved the target. This was done during Javed Miandad time, during Inzamam time on a regular basis that one of these key players played till the end and won the matches. Or, the big bashers come and finish off the match 4-5 overs before but, that is always a rarity.

    Everyone (even a kid) knew that the WC semifinal was lost because of 4-5 dropped catches and, the last nail on the coffin was hit by Misbah ul Haq he played 42 dot balls, yes FORTY TWO DOT BALLS, it is a crime. He lost the world cup for the country and, you reward him with captaincy?

  72. #72 by NewGuy on December 21, 2011 - 1:46 PM

    Mubarak ho, Pakistan won, Misbah planned all this last minute tension to bring some fan interest into the game.

    Cricinfo live commentator says this after the Test.

    Pakistan, if you ask me, are in a very good position to take the series against England if they continue this way. Lots to feel good about. It will be a competitive series no doubt, but I’d put my money on Pakistan to win. A lot has been said about their scoring rate in this Test, but I guess it’s irrelevant. I’d still like to see Umar Akmal though.

    This guy is Indian, and I am sure you all said their commentary is biased against Pakistan. Anyone reading this will not think so. But I think this guy is being less than honest. Come on, it is one thing to say let wait and see, UAE might help Pakistan, they might play well, but lets wait and see how they play against a Team like England who has the Test match process laid out so well. I am sure this guy know England prepare very hard for Test matches under Andy Flower as coach. Why write an outlandish comment like my money is on Pakistan.

    From my point of view, I am waiting to see how England will fare outside the conditions that favor swing, seam, and pace and bounce, and I am also waiting to see how he recent form of Pakistan will fare against a top team like England. So it is worth waiting to watch, to see real progress, not just for Pakistan, but to assess England also.

  73. #73 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 1:53 PM


    What contrasting views that we have posted from the same Rajesh? I think you are only looking at the “half full” glass in this case because you have some soft spot for Misbah and you consider him the best choice for Pakistan captaincy? Now, let me quote the two paragraphs from the same article and I want you to read it with your half-eyes (ainak) on. The link is below and the two paragraphs are copy pasted here, see the highlighted sentences i.e., in case you have problem seeing them:


    “Misbah’s mystery inningsMisbah-ul-Haq’s strike rate at the end of his innings was 73.68; Tendulkar’s rate for his 85 was 73.91. That, perhaps, is as good an example as any to illustrate the fact that stats without context is meaningless. Misbah’s inexplicable go-slow through the first half of his innings resulted in the asking rate climbing to unmanageable proportions, and it also forced the other batsmen to take risks that might otherwise have been unnecessary. He tried to make up for it later, but apart from helping him reach a personal landmark and improving his strike-rate, his late hits counted for little

    Overall, Misbah played out 42 dot balls, which was the most among Pakistan’s batsmen. In his first 42 balls, he scored only 17 and played 27 dots. During this period, Pakistan’s asking rate went up from 6.07 to 8.45. Younis Khan’s sluggish innings didn’t help either – add his 13 from 32 balls to Misbah’s 17 in his first 42, and Pakistan have every reason to feel their two most experienced batsmen didn’t serve them well: in those 74 balls, the two batsmen got a grand total of 30 runs, with no boundaries. Even with the power-hitters to follow, that was a bridge too far.”UNQUOTE.

  74. #74 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 2:01 PM


    advanced mubarak from me ovr sachin’s hundred on boxing day plus india’s thrashing of australia in the coming series.

    now im not indian, although I have some indian nexus in my family 😉

    so what im saying, i really mean, rite?

    just ponder over this scenario

    jury for 3 match fixers is being selected. one of the jurors being interviewed is found to have indian origins although he’s a british citizen. he swears he hardly watches cricket but defence objects that since the defendants are pakis, this juror may be biased.

    so will he be selectd or not?

    im 99% sure, he’l be rejected.

    btw india and pk, there is no such thing as neutrality specially if it is cricket.

  75. #75 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 2:02 PM

    AND ONE MORE THING MUNIR………. you consider him (Mishap) as a useful player and best choice for Pakistan captaincy in context of existing circumstances.

    I don’t take into account of what the so-called ex-GRATED players says or the high profile writers say about anyone. Because, I have a mind of my own and I have enough experience to analyze the game of a particular player or a team. But, because you are always impressed by big designer labels, for you Zen has posted a couple of links, one is of Zaheer Abass who lashed Mishab’s slow captaincy and for your convenience I am reposting the same link here JUST FOR YOU.
    Another link is from Wasim Akhtar, Moin Khan Salahuddin etc. the title is DEFENSIVE MISBAH IRKS EX-GREATS

    Munir, the only difference between them and us is, they are saying it NOW and we have been raving and ranting since a long time.

    My suggestion to you is tum ek baar phir GIVE UP ker do. 😉 Bakaoz you look nicer then.

  76. #76 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 2:06 PM

    jaweyd paee

    tusi highly rate kye jaatey ho

    suboot cumment 50

    here are a few very obvious and clearly stated facts in the article, while there are a few unsaid and implied points which everyone may not get but someone like yourself who understands the game so well will easily realize.

    ab tusi mishap naal last 2 cumments mein kah rahey ho, usey patthar 9 stone0 wich lakeer ( line) maan kar tapic ko bund karnaa chayeee

    o badshaho, hum ney 15 din phele tadfeen ki, soyem manaya, daswaaa manayaa ab tusi kahendo baady nikalo mein fir janaza padrwa hunga.

    aaey te koi samjhdaari di gul na hoi

    baattom line jaweyd paee tusi ” understand the game so welllllllll…”

  77. #77 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 2:12 PM

    well under the existing circumstances we have now two hi profile contests cum…in up

    india vs australia ( mouth watering )

    pk vs englund ( boring or exciting)

    australia havent chosen the rite squad. ben hilfenhaus is selected as he is a good outswing bowler after a long time. tendulkar is preparing for outswingers. australia are forgetting one thing- jimmy swings both ways and got tendulkar out lbw on few occasions.

    so i feel india may pip australia bakaz of these selections plus australian batting is collapsing but india has to take wkts ,who will do that?

    more to cum………….

  78. #78 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 21, 2011 - 2:45 PM


    bhai ye baar baar ‘cum’ na likho iss say lagta hai tum ko ehtelam ul haq aa rehay hain! Aagay tumharee marzi

    Munir tou gaya, ab jawab nai dega wo………. he will wait for another 10-12 days and then he will dig up the old thread for his golden words!

    I dunno why they dropped UT Khwaja? Perhaps they want this new all-round Christian. Anyways, its their deceYen.

  79. #79 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 3:05 PM

    Jawyed paee

    ihtelam ul haque ya inzalul haque.

    Bhai ab to come bhi usi sense mein istimal hota hae.

    Jee wo faraar hogaya aur kuch din bad sansani khez muwad lekar aega.

    Mujhe ye samjh nahi aata ke foran jawab kyu nahi deta.cumment to bread ki tarh hota hae,foran basi hojata hae.agar aap 2 din bhi late hojao,tu reply ki zero value hae.

    Cricinfo pey 4 sey 5 din baad cumments allow nahi karte.

  80. #80 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 3:16 PM


    This is the first time I have seen Zaheer Abbas say something sensible.

  81. #81 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 3:25 PM


    That’s my reservation with England that they play like an average team on unfamiliar tracks. They are ok in Australia, NZ and South Africa but they look weak in the subcontinent and West Indies.

  82. #82 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 3:27 PM

    Minnow bashing has improved Hafeez’s Test average to 36.

  83. #83 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 3:32 PM

    Lawson says India not a team to fear

    FORMER Test quick Geoff Lawson said yesterday Australia’s young bowlers have nothing to fear from an ageing Indian side.

    Despite losing to New Zealand at home for the first time since 1985 in Hobart last week, Lawson said Michael Clarke’s men had plenty of reasons to be cheerful, especially in the bowling department.

    “Although we lost to New Zealand, I was impressed with the way James Pattinson bowled in both Tests. He was terrific,” Lawson said.

  84. #84 by NewGuy on December 21, 2011 - 3:34 PM


    The only two teams that play well in sub continent are Australia and South Africa. They have players who play spin relatively better than all other teams. Plus they have good bowlers who can reverse swing the ball. Steyn has the ability to take five wickets on Indian pitches, as did Allen Donald in the past. Australians, McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, all had that wicket taking ability in sub continent pitches. But this new Aussie team have been found weaker in India, since they lost 4 tests on the trot on last two tours. SA won 2 and lost 2. England lost the last series in India. But they drew two tests.

    Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, etc remains to be be seen how effective they will be.

    Also remains to be seen how Trott, Cook, Bell, etc will play Ajmal and Rehman. Pieterson is a class player who can play spin. But I am not sure Trott, Cook, and Bell will be scoring double hundreds like they did against India at home, and against Australia.

  85. #85 by NewGuy on December 21, 2011 - 3:36 PM

    Australians have starting verbal games already. This is fine. We have see on the field how both teams perform. On paper everything looks great.

    I doubt Indians will be rattled by pace and swing, like how they fell apart to some very executed plans made by coach Andy Flower in helpful conditions in England.

  86. #86 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 3:40 PM


    I guess beating Bangladesh is better than drawing against them.

    If it wasn’t for Hafeez there is a chance the match would be drawn.

    I am not too surprised because Bangladesh imploded in their 2nd innings and from then onwards we knew victory was possible for Pakistan.

    Overall can’t really praise batting or captaincy because it is slow and defensive. The bowling is good, but wouldn’t you expect to defeat Bangladesh by such margins anyway?

    Pakistan and England will be exciting because since Sri Lanka proved to be no competition, England might give Pakistan a hard time because they are the no 1 team. Whereas a good performance vs England will definitely prove that Pakistan team is improving and I think we will all have to accept that there has been some stability in the team.

    People are being very cautious about making any predictions because England have never played a Test in UAE before.

  87. #87 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 3:42 PM


    I haven’t checked the stats and I can take your word for it about Australia and SA’s record on subcontinental pitches. Ponting averages only 26 in India so I am not too sure how the others have fared.

  88. #88 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 3:47 PM


    What Australia have which India don’t have is mental strength at home.

    Their tailender who might never have held a bat in domestic cricket will make 30 runs if the need arises under pressure.

    This is how Australia can surprise and take the game away from you.

    They are also the better fielding side.

    On paper Indian batting is stronger but at home we might see Ponting, Clarke, etc perform.

    In my opinion Australia have the edge because of their mental strength and their fielding. We might see Indian bowlers surprising Australian batsmen. On the other hand this is probably the most high profile series Yadav, Mithun and Ashwin are playing and whether they can take the pressure remains to be seen.

  89. #89 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 3:49 PM


    broad and the 2 spinners can penetrate the suspect paki lineup. I dont know who will be the other 2 bowlers.

    Well trott,pieterson,cook, strauss,prior and broad can get 250 odd of players can get 100 odd runs so dont count englund out.

  90. #90 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 3:59 PM

    These are the averages of Indian batsmen in Australia. Gambhir has never played a Test in Australia.

    Sehwag- 60

    SRT- 59

    Dravid- 49

    Laxman- 54

    Dhoni- 18

    I think India might worry knowing that Gambhir has never played a Test there and Dhoni plays poorly vs Australia.

    Looks like responsibility will yet again rest with Sehwag and SRT to accumulate and Dravid and Laxman to absorb pressure.

    It might be their last high profile series playing together and performing these roles which they have been doing for 10 years now.

  91. #91 by NewGuy on December 21, 2011 - 4:07 PM


    Mental strength or not, last eight Test matches India played in Australia results are: India won 2, Australia won 3, draw 3. Series result: 2003-04: 1-1, 2007-08: 2-1 to Australia, and everyone know they won the Sydney test under controversial circumstances, otherwise result would have been 1-1 again.

    Both times, Australia had stronger outfits. I don’t expect India to win the series, it is very tough, but I won’t put it past them to have a 1-1 scoreline after four tests. It could very well be 2-1, but I don’t see a 3-0 or 4-0 scoreline.

    Ponting has a poor record in India, but other Australians since the time of Border, Boon, Marsh, Waugh, Clarke, Hayden, Langer, Gilchrist, etc has good records in India.

  92. #92 by NewGuy on December 21, 2011 - 4:11 PM

    I am more worried about Indian bowling than batting. Batting will take care of itself somehow, but the bowlers fitness and form will be the crucial aspect. If they let the struggling Australian batsmen like Ponting and Hussey off the hook, they they will find themselves under lot of pressure. Indian bowling has to be at its best.

  93. #93 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 5:07 PM


    Well, I was putting the current batting form of the Indians into perspective when saying that Aussies appear to have the slight edge. That is why I remarked that on paper India is stronger in batting but, what happens on the field might surprise us.

    That is because, if you take out the solitary Test played by Sehwag in 2007, he has been in the worst Test form of his life, averaging only 28 this year. Tendulkar, we have discussed already. Laxman is also not at his best because the last time he averaged so low was in 2007.

    It all depends upon how well Indians have prepared. Sehwag can explode any time but can Aussies keep SRT and Laxman in check?

  94. #94 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 5:12 PM


    aussies will lose and 10dulkar will get the senkdra.

    Aussies look disorganized to me

  95. #95 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 5:15 PM


    Anything can happen.

    In my opinion England hold the edge because most of their fast bowlers now bowl at more than 85mph. Pakistan can’t play pace.

    Plus, in fielding there is no comparison.

    I was previously discounting these two factors.

    I have a feeling England will win because of their pace attack and because Pakistan will drop catches and misfield.

    Against Bangladesh you could tolerate this because Bangladesh play worse than a club side whenever they are playing a better team. But against top teams you have to take your catches.

    I have said this before as well as PCB should have this criterion in place that only sharp and athletic fielders will be allowed to play international cricket. First you have to be a good fielder, then you can be a good bowler or batsman. If you can’t have a system in place where players are “taught” how to field well, then you have to opt for a radical system where fielding is seem as the primary ability.

    Think about it. Pakistan feels it is enough to compete with top teams having a world class bowling attack. They say their domestic pitches don’t produce world class batsmen who can play difficult bowling. Then, what to do about fielding?

    At least play 11 good fielders if you can’t play a single world class batsman.

  96. #96 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 5:23 PM


    Even if the pitches are flattened across the world to make batting easier, the new ball with swing and reverse swing will always remain.

    So, this is why Pakistani batsman haven’t been able to capitalise on good batting conditions.

  97. #97 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 5:25 PM


    im agree

    u dont become no1 team in test just by playng spineless ckt.

    Inspite of pk’s dream year,they havent beaten any top team 4-0. Winning gives u confdence.

    Pk havent crushed any side and it counts against them vs eng.

  98. #98 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 5:29 PM


    Pakistan barely compete with top teams in batting.

    They can compete in bowling and that is why they are placed between no 5-6 in global rankings.

    They can’t compete in fielding- they can only compete with minnows there.

    So that explains why they hover around 5-6.

    If they play 6 good fielders instead of 2 or 3 that they do currently, and get rid of the useless Taufeeq, Misbah, Farhat, Shafiq etc, I am sure they can rise in the rankings.

    Hafeez and U Akmal are decent fielders. There must be more who can make 35 runs consistently but can also field well.

  99. #99 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 5:30 PM

    I think what I am trying to say is that all BATSMEN have to be good fielders because all bowlers can compete with others at international level.

  100. #100 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 5:37 PM

    Useless misbha

    he’s the best capt in CONTEXT OF EXISTING CIRCUMSTANCES.

    i havnt understood this damn phrase at all.

    It sounds more like US policy on pk

    stop terrorists or youl face consequences
    butta pk is our friend on war on terror

  101. #101 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 5:47 PM


    BTW I feel Pakistan should have dropped Younis for this Bangladesh series.

    Why can’t you rest that senior batsman who is not at his best anyway and try someone new?

    Most teams would have done this against an opposition like Bangladesh.

    I guess Pakistan were too scared of losing.

  102. #102 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 5:51 PM


    u liked zab’s coments (zaheer)

    i see

    do you notice a pattern, a trend?

    why all of a sudden khasees, jaheer are being critical of cool?

    he’s winning butta these guys look concerned

    bakaz they realise this strategy wont work against englund

    if you notice one thing about pk victories

    they havent floored any team apart from bangus

    its more like they have capitalised vulnerabilities of their adversries rather than out muscling them

    cynics wqould question this observation and the fact that why we r critical

    well u know heavyweights r beaten whern their opponents outclass them, they rarely allow oppositon to expose their vulnerabilities

    even if they are beaten on one front, they counter attack

    englund will counter attack

    and sorry i dont see this pk team counter attacking

    infact this is dawning upon ram and zab

  103. #103 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 6:03 PM


    Yeah, I think they all expected Pakistan to thrash Bangladesh rather than outplaying them by counting on their poor fielding and spineless batting.

    Now they are worried about what will happen vs England.

    Well, this is the story of Pakistan cricket that these commentators start comparing mediocre talent with Viv Richards and then they rue the outcome of this praise.

  104. #104 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 6:11 PM

    see even if u dismiss englund for 250, dont expect pk to score 400.

    i feel it will be low scoring series inspite of all the talk about flate teraks

    do u think mushie will help englund spinners?

  105. #105 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 6:14 PM

    steve waugh says that this england team will emain no1 for few years.

    now waugh is no ch2, he knows what hes talkin about.

    there were periods when even bangu batsmen looked comfortable against pjk bowling which is their main weapon.

  106. #106 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 6:16 PM


    dropping yk

    he was mos!

    both india and pk are quite timid whn it comes to seniors. ponting is unlucky to be in australia, had he been from sub continent he would have been still capt of his side.

  107. #107 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 6:34 PM

    more to come…………… !

    one day mr john and his son fred were walking through their farm, they saw a dead hen with legs rasied upwards. fred asked his daddy

    ” why are the hen’s legs rasied like that?’

    john thought for a moment and then said ” son the hen is going to heaven”

    fred listened, thought and then they both went home.

    after few days fred came running to john and started screaming

    ” dad, hurry up ,mom’s dying. we better save her”

    john ‘ why son? what happened. your mom was taking a walk towards the barn with my brother pete’

    fred ” dad i went into the barn and I saw uncle pete on top of mommy. mommy had her legs raised like the hen and she was screaming

    ” Oh god im coming, im coming !” 😉

  108. #108 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 6:38 PM

    jawyed paeeeeeeee…..

    beraking news 4 u

    ik barred from holding rally in karachi, will approach SC

    qibla kuch izhar farmaye

  109. #109 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 8:27 PM


    Imran might do this rally on the road outside the Mazar.

  110. #110 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 8:43 PM


    r u watching the news or events in pk? Zardari has gone back to islamabad and all the excitement seems to have died down.

    Something strange has happened during these kiyani-gillahni meetings.

    Just watch the oil and flow of oil 😉

  111. #111 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 8:59 PM

    Deal happened in Dubai.

    PPP government to complete full term. Zardari to remain President. No election rigging to be carried out.

    Not to arrest Musharraf upon his return and not to impede his political activities.

  112. #112 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:03 PM


    revelation from where?

  113. #113 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 9:06 PM

    From my head.

    I think that must have been the deal.

    Those who devised NRO must have now devised something else to curb the many cases vs Musharraf in courts and provide him with security.

  114. #114 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:08 PM

    well what you say has some substance

    if thats the case then bye bye immi

  115. #115 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:13 PM


    australia will suffer bakaz they r exposing their strategy. they r selecting outswing bowlers. when u send such vibes, batsmen become confident.

  116. #116 by Sentinel Prime on December 21, 2011 - 9:19 PM


    Why byebye Immi?

    They can’t stop him because the masses are with him.

  117. #117 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:26 PM

    well kamran abbasi gives his views about mohali!

    an excerpt from his blog on 22 october

    Misbah-ul Haq, Pakistan’s captain, said he was satisfied with his team’s efforts, extracting positives not negatives from the performance. Ironically, it was his own negativity that ended up being scrutinised; first Mohali, now this.

    First Mohali, now this- chalo jeee, ek aur gawaahi

    this is the link to the whole blog

  118. #118 by Zen on December 21, 2011 - 9:29 PM

    noooo…… qibla

    if elections go beyond 2012, things may change

    if as you say its a deal with mush, he may usurp him in days to come

    honestly, im least impressed!

    he’s based his politics on anti mush rhetoric and now he is taking his men w/o a frown

    he just wants to win

    i checked the news and kiyani has given a halafnama where he admits memo is a reality

    its march 2012 or then curtains for other parties- PPP will get a majority imn senate and half battle won

    lets see

  119. #119 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 1:05 AM

    Zen your comment number 117 quoting an excerpt from PakSpin, “Ironically, it was his (Misbah’s) own negativity that ended up being scrutinised; first Mohali, now this.”

    Ironically, yeh baat Munir key samajh say bala tur hai, usko kabhee ye baat samajh nahee aye gi, even if he reads the whole comment, he will not find what is written between the lines? Once agian (Ironically) there are so many like him who believe that Misbah is doing a wonderful job. Today, just an hour ago I was having coffee with a friend and he said the same thing what Munir and the rest of the ignorant blokes say. And I told him, I am sorry I do not have the energy to explain to you all the details bakaoz you are just like one of those who joined the crowd who believe that Misbah is the best captain for Pakistan so far.

    Did you notice that he quoted S. Rajesh’s statistics and that too after preparing it in Microsoft Word and like a project report and then he posted it here after 2 weeks of constant reviewing it. But, he did not read the two paragraphs in which Rajesh mentioned how many dot balls Misbah and Younus Khan played between the two of them in the WC semifinal. SEVENTY DOT BALLS ???????? AND THAT IS KIRR-MINAL.

    IF, I had the authority, I would have fired both of them forever, RETIRED HURT (jaatay way back pay kick and that hurts).

  120. #120 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 1:19 AM

    Zen, apparently the differnces between IK and Mush in the past were based on power struggle, when Mush offered IK the post of PM, he refused. Now, it is very obvious that Mush would accept that offer if IK offers him. Najam Sethi’s interview which KS posted here, he mentioned a lot things that did not happen at that time and they are happening now or, some of them already happened. So, whether you like it or not, IK has to accept members of the existing political parties to fight an election against PPP and PML N so, if people are joining him, he may not be giving ticket to ALL of them, they will have to win the elections on their own i.e., if they have the support of the people from their ridings.

    People in Pakistan are so emotional and so reactive that anything that is said at the top level, they start believing in it, until and unless it is clarified in a very clear manner they don’t change their minds. Nawaz and PPP leaders said, IK is now getting all the TRASH from other parties, earlier he refused to accept them. Apart from a very few high profile leaders like Shah Mahmood Qureshi, IK did not ask the others to join his party, they are coming to join his party. And, to win elections you need votes and for that you have to accept the leaders of other parties.

    I used to say that so far he is a ONE MAN SHOW and now he is doing what he should have done years ago. You cannot run elections without having prominent political figures in your party. Do you think if he hire new faces like KS, you and I, and say I have new faces, then who is going to give a damn to us? Who are we? That is exactly what a political leader has to do, get the popular ones in the party, induct new faces (honest and credible) and groom them.

    Hina Rabbani Khar was trained in Foreign Office for 6 months during Shah Mahmood Qureshi’s tenure, its a matter of too little too early for her. She became popular because of that post and because of the glamour that she posses. But, with the PPP government’s departure she could disappear into oblivion. If she wants to survive not as the FM of PK but, to remain as a prominent political figure, she should RESIGN NOW and find a way to get into PTI, even if she doesn’t get the post of FM she might be Minister of Information & Culture whatever and she can remain in limelight for a longer period of time.

  121. #121 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 1:22 AM


    Where did you get this info from …. about Dubai deal?

    Neither Kiyani nor Pasha or, any of the political figure went to Dubai it was just Zardari who was hiding under his bed. So, with whom he forged the deal? Also, no rep from MY BAAP were present. This is just a Qayaas Arayee that Deal took place in Dubai.

  122. #122 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 1:29 AM

    LOL zara ye item mulaheza farmaiyeh:

    “Bruce Riedel, a former CIA and White House official who chaired President Barack Obama’s 2009 review of U.S. policy on the region, said Sharif himself initiated a similar petition over a decade ago.

    He recalled a 1999 meeting with Sharif’s brother Shahbaz, who he said traveled to Washington to warn of what civilian officials at the time feared was a brewing military coup.

    It was an entire day spent at the Willard Hotel listening to Shahbaz talk about their fears that a military coup was coming and asking for American help to prevent it,” he said.

    “That’s pretty much the charge (that) is being leveled against Ambassador Haqqani.”

    A coup did ultimately happen, in 1999, bringing General Pervez Musharraf to power until he resigned as president in August 2008. AGENCIES”

  123. #123 by Mohammed Munir on December 22, 2011 - 5:16 AM

    Facebook Follies …

    I’m not a Facebook fan. Largely because I am not particularly interested in your life and I really don’t know you well enough to have you share any intimacy with mine.

    On the occasional foray into this virtual buddy world, I have never ceased to be amazed by the deluge of trivia that squelches across the scroll. Like I am amazed that 433 people want to be friends with me… scary thought. I don’t want to be friends with you and I really don’t want to trot down the past and catch up with folks I knew in the seventies and eighties and what will I do with all this nostalgia anyway.

    But Facebook is a real giveaway of people’s personalities.

    Like I am reading this one from a guy who says, guess who I met in the first class lounge waiting for the flight to Munich?

    Nice one, dude. Now we know you are travelling first class and you are going to Munich. It gets better. “And we are meeting in Monte Carlo, we are both staying at the George Cinq, it has now been renovated.”

    What a flipping loser. In just two sentences, he has showed off so shamelessly you wonder: does everyone have to possess such complexes, like is it an entry pass to get onto Facebook?

    “Hi there, just checked into the Ritz, got a suite, lovely view.”
    “We decided to do Barbados on a whim, wish you all were here.”
    “Picked up a Husain, it was going for a song.”
    “Just reached Frisco, it’s 2am but going out to dinner at Gary Danko’s, managed to get a table.”
    “Just had the best Kobe steak 
in Tokyo, cost $500 but worth 
every penny.”

    You can eat Dh2,000 worth of meat, you are a greedy little fellow — but there is no need to trumpet it across five continents.

    Who cares? How do you work it out that there are people out there who are interested in your financial status, your ghastly little possessions and the quality of your social life or what you ate for dinner?

    Here is another one from a guy who lives here, right here in town: “So stuck in traffic but at least I’m in a Maserati and my Bose quadro speakers are keeping me cool.”

    Tell me one reason, sir, why I would want to know that?

    It is all these people trying so hard to outdo each other and sell themselves and their mangy little fortunes and if this is social networking, shred the stuff and feed it to the birds. You must have such little self-esteem that you need to Marmite your success in this pathetic fashion.

    And if it isn’t money, it is all this blather about their good fortune in having a villa with nine bedrooms and the agony they are undergoing as they decide the colour scheme, woe is me, and how much they love their husbands, and mine is the bestest in the world, I am soooo lucky, he bought me a surprise diamond bracelet.

    And I am thinking, lady, if you have to get a cert of merit from the public for having a loving husband, this is one marriage being shored up by soggy cardboard… You are not lucky, you are sodding miserable and bored with your real life, however rich and soft it might be.

    Be fair with me. You can have fun on Facebook but this bare-it-all and underscore-your-good-fortune-at-each-opportunity has to be predicated on how dull your life is or, even more frightening, how dull you are as a person that you need to be propped up by proxy.

    Are we all so jaded or arrogant that we believe the nitty-gritty of our daily lives is of riveting value to the rest of the world?

    Hi there, just had a bath, dressed, having cornflakes for breakfast and then shall go to work… Are you folks fascinated? Hope so.

    Source :

    PS: Javed Khan … This article is written by Bikram Vohra (Between the Lines – KT) who is a famous comical writer. Probably you know the guy from your UAE days, he is still living in UAE and writes for “Khaleej Times”. I found this article too hilarious not to share. Enjoy !!

  124. #124 by Mohammed Munir on December 22, 2011 - 5:35 AM

    Javed Khan …

    It’s strange to notice that you, out of all people, have recently developed some kind of respect (and love) even for someone like “Jaheer Abbas”. 😉

    So if a guy like Zaheer says something against Misbah it is considered ‘final word’ ❓ …….. Wah Kiya Baat Hai, Jaheer Ki, Lagta Hai Uss Ki Promotion Hogai Hai Tumhari Nazroun Mein, Kiya Naseeb Hain Jaheer Bhai Kay 😆

    More surprising is that you are also fully agreeing (probably first time in history) with WASIM CHAKRAM, because he is also blaming Misbah, as well as Mohsin.

    Similarly, when Kamran Abbassi, Dr. Saad and others say something in favour of Misbah, you come up with a point that they are writing for Cricinfo and have to be diplomatic, (Unn Ka Profession, Aur Hamara Shoq), so you don’t agree with them and you start blasting them, but when you find something by these same guys being said against Misbah, you start quoting them, accepting their words and even go to the extent of pasting their interviews.

    BTW, Javed Khan, I fully accept that your cricketing knowledge ‘may’ be highest here on LS, much more then me and also many others, but I don’t remember having said that you are better then Dr. Kamran Abbasi, Dr. Saad Shafqat and Osman Samiuddin.

    I still consider these professional writers much more knowledgeable and “neutral” than all of us here on LS. I don’t mean that all others are ‘ignorant’ but they are not expert enough to match these writers.

    PS: This message will keep you energized till I am back 😉 and then we will discuss England series, because after a tour-whitewash (clean sweep of all games), there is nothing left to discuss about BD tour. 🙂

  125. #125 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 7:05 AM


    This is so typical of you that you drop a line and then you run away and when you come back after a few days and raise the same old issue, no one wants to dig up an old grave, but you do, you go and dig out half a dead body and try to postmortem it and then you challenge everyone say something out of the context and then you disappear again. Yeh Pahaari Choohay wali harkat tou na kero, zara dutt ker maidaan may laro, after all you are adult don’t act like kids.

    First of all I never said that I respect Zaheer Abbass or Wasim Akram, the point was only highlighted by Zen and khansahab to remind you and I may have also said that, look Munir your own ex-greats (to ridicule them I used the word GRATE, like grated cheese, or grated veges.) are now talking against Misbah. And, there is no respect or lao for them. Perhaps you are in lao with Missy so, you think everyone else is in lao. Vo lao jo bujhai na bujhee.

    Secondly, to be honest with you I am not any body’s mohtaaj, (Allah na karay) that I need respect from anyone or everyone and out of respect you should treat me like I am some kinda superhuman, I am not. I believe in give respect and earn respect but, not because I am one of the administrators of this blog. And, its your opinion that those professional people are great in your eyes (those high profile writers) jazakallah, good for you. If they say something, which I feel right I will endorse my views but, I will not respect them blindly just because they are professionals.

    For your information Dr. Saad is a neurosurgeon by profession and Dr. Abassi is also a doctor by profession and neither of them are depending wholely and solely on writing articles on cricinfo or elsewhere. The only difference is, they are writing on a commercial blog where they are paid. Whereas, we are a non-commercial blog, non profit blog and we write because it is just a hobby.

    Just because they write on a bigger and commercial blog does not mean they are AMANNA SADAQNA and even if they are wrong and I will say wah, wah kya baat hai, nao zo billa wo koi paighambar hain ya unki baat koi patthar ki lakeer hai? It is just like you can disagree with me, but I cannot disagree with them because they belong to a different league or they are at a different level? Come on Munir!~

    Since you know some of the people I have dealt with in my real life, I will tell you now that, I have never been a yes man or did any kinda buttering to anyone. Log Ashraf Nawabi ki TC ker tay thay just to keep him happy, I never did that, instead I performed so well that he was forced to respect me, he never called me by my first name whereas, people who were ten, fifteen years older and senior to me, he used to address them with first name and was not only rude but also used abusive language and he was famous for that. Laikin majaal hai jo uss nay mujhay kabhee Javed bhee kaha ho, always used to say khansahab.

    It is not a matter of getting energized, it is very unfortunate that you always derive a different meaning from the words and use it in a different context all togather.

  126. #126 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 7:12 AM


    I must have met Bikram Vohra at least a few dozen times when I was in Dubai, always at some parties and a couple of times at GN’s office, he was in GN then and I met him there because both Gulf News and KT were our customers. I don’t really like his style of writing nor his sense of humour, sorry to disappoint you but, I am telling you the truth about my feelings. Almas Alam was a much better writer than him and there was another gora his sense of humour was very good and he always used some very nice interesting topics. Even Frank Raj was better than Vohra.

  127. #127 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 8:30 AM


    My cumments are not 100% customised for one individual. so even if munir agrees or disagrees, the matter doesnt stop there. even if munir would cent percent agree with us over mishap, I wont stop writng about him and exposing his fallacies which are destroying pk ckt. Why? bakaz as you say and i believe that there are many readers who come and read. They should understand why Mishap is toxic to this team in CONNECT ( context of existing circumstances, simply one could say” current circumstances”). Response of any blogger in this matter whether he agrees or disagrees compels me to study, analyse his response and reply him. whether the blogger rates me high or low is not an issue bakaz no1 we have to see whether the blogger himself is competent enough to make that judgment.

    no2 more important is what is being said rather than who is saying. so if jaheer says sometnihg correct, i ll agree. there is no such thing as a repo scale on a blog where u say ill naat agree or disagree bakaz he is a ch2 or he is a saint.One should analyse a statement and then respond accordingly.

    one should rememeber these players are not private property. we can adore them or critiicise them. But one shouldnt get personal if one’s favorite is hated by somebody else. ironically if we criticise mishap or tendulkar, it doesnt get digested and the grudge comes within cumments in a veiled way. To adopt a posture of comparing bloggers is a civilised way of trying to hush a blogger. what fools never understand that cumments never mean anything derogotary to any co blogger. see ks misses sagaat and even i sometimes although i had little interaction with him. the problem is we can never rise above our prejudices and understand importance of people within our vicinity. for us its all about our favorites. so when a blogger leaves a blog, he is severly missed by majority although some would distribute sweets- its a devious world.

    if u ask munir why he rates these 2 docs high under CONNECT, he cant give you a plausible answer. I mean what are their credentials or whats so cool about their analysis. If i told u about abbasi’s blog yesterday, it was bakaz of mohali and secondly munir says he’s a divine source. otherwise I have read abbasi’s and shafqi’s articles on Dawn and they are generally mediocre. im not buttering but some of ks’s stuff is miles better than these hip ( hi profile ) writers.
    this rajesh guy is a statistician by profession and such people are like doctors practicing medicne not like painters analysing cricket.

    bhai mishap ko defend karna hae to koi substance ki baat karo. jawab ka jawab hum deingey. hum koi itney bewaquf nahi key ek aadmi 8 test jeeta hae usey khilaf boley. kya ks itney ahmaq hain ke wo ye baat nahi samjhtey. kya hum koi anti pakistani agent hain.

    mujhe ye batao kya australia ko australia aur england ko england mein hara kar kiss ko khushi nahi hogi chahye ijazz butt hi captain kyu na ho. magr mishap marz ka symptomatic illaj hae ( means hes not curing a disease, he’s providing temporary relief and the disease is spreading
    ). aap dil badra karke bolo ke moshap england ko englamd mein haraega, hum discussion ke lye tayyar hai, chaye wo kamran chaprasi ho ya dimagh ka surgeon.koi ye baat nahi karta. agar jaheer ki samjh mein aagaei to dair aaye durust aaye, wo ky kahte hain subah ka bhula sham ko loutey to bhula nahi kahte. kyu pakistan no1 team na baney. kya lallu teams par hi hukumat karey. mediocrity se bahar aao, dunya bohot badri hae.

    south africa waley ch2 to nahi they jo graeme smith ko capt banaya, aaj top 3 team hae. kya pk is thakey hae capt ke saath no3 banegi. aap bolo banegi, agar aap usko support karte ho, magr koi nahi kahta. kya pak itna ghatya hae ke no1 nahi bansakta

    mujhe india sey bohot disappointment hoi jab wo 4-0 hare england sey, wohi darpok policy. with this indian team, they can never beat england in englaind but a stat rules the roost- ironic!

    anyway jk i hope i got the message across to all pro mishap guys

    more to come……. 😉

  128. #128 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 8:34 AM

    pratakar sudakar

    breaking news

    gillani has started farting

    kahta hae govt kio qalti karney ki saazish ki jaa rahi hae.

  129. #129 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 8:39 AM

    Now I throw an open challenge to all pro mishap people

    convince us he’ll make pk a no1 team

    Imran khan took pk very very close to that stage

    he beat india in india, england in england ,almost beat wi in their prime in wi

    can this pk team beat india in india?

    no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy………………………

    this team will get slaughtered!

    why mediocrity people!

  130. #130 by NewGuy on December 22, 2011 - 1:41 PM

    Missing case of Aisha Khan.

    A 19 year old young muslim college student has been missing from her home in Kansas for 5 days. Police and FBI has been searching for her, some 65 officers were involved in the search and they have contacted here finally, looks like she is safe, no further details are found.

    Here is link to ABC video report:

    I am posting here because, first she looks like from a second generation American from an immigrant Pakistani or Afhani family. Some of you here surely know more about the family traditions and customs really well, I am thinking you may provide some insight after watching this husband guy of hers.

    This girl is only 19, and she speaks with typical American accent of someone brought up here. I was shocked that she was married, and then this guy who speaks in immigrant accent looks like at least close to 30 appears.

    Looks like an arranged marriage against her will to a much older guy who has different values and views.

  131. #131 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 2:00 PM


    gilani has launched an offensive against the army

    check this out; perhaps time is up.

  132. #132 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 2:08 PM

    united states admits it made a blunder by killing pakistani troops

  133. #133 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 2:11 PM

    well god manifests his powers via his creations

  134. #134 by NewGuy on December 22, 2011 - 2:51 PM


    What do you think of this girl missing case?

  135. #135 by NewGuy on December 22, 2011 - 2:53 PM

    Indian bowlers fitness the key – Warne

    I said couple of days back here that I am more concerned about the Indian bowlers fitness and form and ability to take twenty wickets than the batsmen.

    Shane Warne has said the same thing now, Cricinfo is reporting.

    Their bowlers will have to stay fit. If Zaheer Khan or Ishant Sharma get injured, then I think their bowling attack could be quite weak. The Australian batsmen could perform pretty well. I think it’s going to come down to how India are going to take 20 wickets with their bowling.

    Shane Warne might have read my comment 🙂

  136. #136 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 3:16 PM


    I watched the video of the missing case of Aisha Khan which you have posted above, to me he girl and her family appear to be Pakistani Punjabi and her husband appears like an Afghani. I could see the law enforcing authorities did a lot of work in trying to find her, in case this is a deliberate ruse to get attention from the family, which turned out to be a matter concerning the whole city or state and if they find out its a fake thing, she will be charged for staging something stupid which involved tax payers money and waste of time, in that case she might even go to prison. People don’t realize what they are doing. The media is trying to get a kick out of that story by highlighting the fact that it is an arranged marriage and may be she is not happy or whatever. Anyways these things do happen everywhere.

  137. #137 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 3:22 PM


    I can assure you that Munir will not respond now, he will come back may be next year and start writing as if nothing has happened. Anyways, you and I have so far have responded to him but, it is so typical of Munir that he will ignore everything and throw that “Phukni” away and argue in that same old fashion.

    Regarding Gillani, he will now talk like a “mitti ka sher” because, now he thinks that the dust has settled and PPP will stay. Chaudhry CJ is acting like a DJ and he keeps saying this, that and the other and no result. So, everything is being shelved slowly unless, something new comes up or some from the army gets pretty upset and demands for a decision. Because, the government is not interested in discussing any details of this memogate scandal or, about the NRO, in fact they will oppose. And, the opposition? They will only be raving and ranting because they too have done such things in the past. I have copy pasted that report yesterday when Nawaz sent his brother Shahbaz to the US in 1999 airing similar fears and asking for help.

  138. #138 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 3:35 PM


    u know better munir than me.

    If what ur saying is true,then IMO its better not to respond to his comments. Such antics damage credibility of a blogger bakaz such tactics are a deliberate attempt to create ambiguity.i may be wrong but i feel ks is doing something like that. Its like dictating others vis a vis one’s schedule. World doesnt wait for anyone.he cant blog like this on other forums, u pretty well know that.
    Having said that i only speak for myself, u know whats best.

  139. #139 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 3:38 PM


    On the subject of cricket, a few days ago you’ve mentioned on what Sehwag blabbed against Akhtar and you said, we should ignore his uncouthness because all of them (barring Dhoni who has a PR manager and what not) are like that.

    It came to my mind that Dhoni also said something very sinister which not many people took notice of that, when he was asked about the recent WC semifinal, he said: “our people say, you lose the World Cup but, don’t lose against Pakistan.” You might say that Pakistanis also say that. I am sure they do. But none of the Pakistani players or the Captain ever said that in front of the camera but, Dhoni did.

    It goes to prove that winning the cup is not a big thing for India or Indians but, beating Pakistan is the ultimate thing and that is why Gambhir said, I have tattooed it on my arm that I will never lose against Pakistan. Well, he can get another message on his bum that he will not be fckd again by Pakistan, who cares?

    My point is such things do not get so much attention by the Indian media and they never leave any stone unturned in defaming Pakistan or creating stories against Pakistan or their players. Likewise when Afridi bit the ball, I had posted a video of Manoj Prabhakar chewing the ball and pulling a piece of leather from the ball and spitting it out. NO ONE said anything, in fact after that the website removed that video but, we still have it here on our blog.

    Ganguly claimed a fake catch at square leg and replay confirmed the ball dropped 6 inches in front of his hands and there was a puff of dust too and when the batsman (not Pakistani but some other) was given not out Ganguly was giggling. He knew the ball dropped short but, he still claimed a catch. Whereas, Rashid Latif was banned for a few matches in claiming a catch that wasn’t a catch.

    Anyways, the point was about Dhoni and his so-called finesse that he has acquired from his PR manager or image builder whoever is also just the same as others.

  140. #140 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 3:54 PM

    Butta this doesnt mean that mishap’s nonsense will be allowed to continue!

    it will be debated and ill continue to question negative approaches

    as i said there are many people who read things here ( even Warnie) 😉

    I wont change my approach and it shouldnt be construed as a white flag of surrender

    so its imperative that cricketing issues be thorughly discussed w/o offending fellow bloggers and getting misled by childish mind games

    let the show continue…….!

  141. #141 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 3:57 PM


    dear latest news emanating from channels doesnt bode well for the govt

    even BBC is saying that govt looks in trouble

    may be u were rite in saying that zardari was lured here bakaz i dont think he can now flee

    butta its still early days

  142. #142 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 3:59 PM


    I think you are wrong in thinking about KS like that because, I know him since a long time and I know he is very busy these days because of his job and career and then the different time zones. NewGuy and I are in the same time zone or may be he is an hour or two late, I am in the EST. Sometimes, if I can’t sleep, I blog especially these days as I have said b4, business is very slow so I have a lot of time at my disposal and I am not worried about getting up early, so I sleep very, very late.

    Secondly, we are a blog and not a chat site, but we have kept the blog open i.e., when you post your comment it appears straightaway, moderation is not done prior to posting. And, you have seen most comments stays as it is. We are more liberal than others and allow all kinds of discussions (prefer them to be within certain limits).

    Unfortunately some of our regular bloggers are away, sometimes they are too busy (not everyone is free like me) and they do come back and write. Perhaps we have to stick to English only with just a few words of Urdu here and there. I am writing this because, I took a hint from NewGuy he wrote just a few days ago that, he cannot understand my poetry in Urdu hence he skips or skim read the comments.

    In the past also we realized that we discuss so many topics at the same time and some bloggers objected that and wrote that we drift a lot so, we created a few new pages like V-talk, Bavarchi Khana and Religion page. Waqar’s page was added by KS to keep a record of his faux pas. You must have seen how the girls used to participate on those pages? Because, most of them do not have interest in cricket or the patience to watch 5 days boring tests and commenting like us, we are all cricket freaks. So, the moment those pages were introduced there was a lot of traffic there. Even now on an average we have more than 500 visitors per day. A lot of people watch, read and then they participate and I am sure our older bloggers are also doing the same so, I would like to invite them to participate like they used to do before.

  143. #143 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 4:03 PM

    Of course we should continue commenting and expressing our views the way we feel it as right and we might agree or disagree and sometimes change our views if we feel we are right or wrong, so this is normal ……. this is a cricket blog and not a Milad Shareef ki Mehfil.

    About PK politics I think everyone is waiting for the camel that came from Dubai, which side the camel is going to sit?

  144. #144 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 4:08 PM

    In about an hour I have a meeting so I have to leave it here and get ready to go, KS would be back from work in a couple of hours I guess? So, if you feel that he is dictating one’s schedule, ask him directly kay Qibla, this is what I think and he will respond to you. One thing I can assure you about him is, he is very matured for his age and he is more calm and composed than I am in many ways and respects people a lot, did you notice he always calls Munir as Munir Saheb? So, go ahead ask him it is better to clarify than assume. I am sure he won’t disappoint you. Take care, I got to go.

  145. #145 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 4:09 PM


    u know the environment better than me here; definitely better bakaz ur the admin guy

    obviously you know ks more than me and im under no illusion, it was just my gut feeling!

    no my dear, im not being naughty about the traffic here!

    i take your word about the 500+ thing

    infact since you raised this ill tell you your blog is now crawling up the search charts.

    see Iam a cyber traveller and I google queries

    leg slip few months ago rarely came on first page

    now its on the first page ( im not flattering, ive seen it)

    so its being visisted more, google notices that

    warnie wink was just a little tickle

    seriously, he may have googled or whatever as legslip also crops on other engines

    having said that, Its due to us guys too 😎 ( just kidding man)!

  146. #146 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 4:14 PM

    well , ok im posting my cumment as a direct query to him

    qibla, do u agree or iam mistaken

    butta i know you enough now that i know the answer

    and im agree qibla is too soft , sometimes i think he aint a paki

    pakis are not so softtttttttttttt……….

    anyway, i dont have ill feelings for anyone even munir!

    butta cricket is the main magnet for me on this blog!

  147. #147 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 4:23 PM

    o ho!

    u got it werong jk

    completely werong

    what i meant was ks is not responding to queries of munir , i didnt mean that ks is dictating us via his schedule

    no no nooooooooooooooo…………….

    absolute confusion!

    qibla I hope u get my query

    I said its better not to respond to comments if blogger vanishes and then reraises the issue according to his timetable

    its ok sometimes but not all the times

    what jk thought i meant that u also discuss issues, vanish and then raise them again

    no no! not at all!

    I never tender an unwarranted apology bakaz it creates a sidekick impression and looks cheap

    but here I will if qibla understood it in that vain!

    anyway, i hope im clear

  148. #148 by Zen on December 22, 2011 - 5:12 PM


    its gettin too serious

    zardari looks in deep trouble

  149. #149 by NewGuy on December 22, 2011 - 6:39 PM

    Javed Khan,

    You should not stop or reduce the Urdu poetry because I or anyone else reading this blog may not fully understand them.

    Besides, I cannot read all 400 posts that appear here in any case.

    You found time to come back and post about Dhoni not being diplomatic, of course, I forgot Dhoni is your favorite player.

    I don’t find anything wrong in what he said in this instance, it is just a matter of fact, not his opinion, he is stating public opinion which is a known fact. He did not say it with a malicious intent. There is a huge difference in the tone and how you express something as matter of fact.

    In other words, what Gambhir said, and what Dhoni said may mean the same thing in their literal sense, but there is a huge difference in intent. I think you understand this.

    But you don’t like Dhoni, which I can understand. I too do have my personal opinions on Dhoni, but he has been a match winner for India in limited overs cricket. He and Yuvraj has won many games against a lot of teams, including Pakistan.

  150. #150 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 8:41 PM


    You have made yourself clear now, good that you did that.

    NewGuy, yes you know Dhoni is my favourite player 😀 And, I also know what intent means but, when Shoaib Malik said something stupid during his speech after losing the first T20 WC final, no one talked about his intent, they all talked about the contents. And, yes Shoaib Malik is also one of my favourite players :D.

  151. #151 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 22, 2011 - 8:42 PM

    Zen, that is some good news, I think they should write in the verdict that he should be “Ball-Chained.” 😀

  152. #152 by wehshee on December 22, 2011 - 10:55 PM


    Javed sahib ka takneeki khatt aaj mein ne parha aur un ki khuwaahish thi ke mein idhar aa ke dhol dhammakka karoon. Mein jee idhar sayaasi nazariyaat paish kiya karoon ga aap sab log ki khidmat mein, kyu ke mein ne bhi Najjam Sethi ki tarhaan eik chirrya paal rakhi hai.

    First of all, we have to look closely at two events which happened earlier:

    1. Mansoor Ijaz writes his article in the newspaper which did not take names
    2. Imran Khan comes up with the name of Haqqani (This makes it guaranteed that establishment is supporting Mr. Imran somehow)

    The 2nd point isn’t the only point which comes to mind when one thinks about the link between the two, Imran & establishment. Earlier, PTI had moved a petition in the Supreme Court after which close to 30 million false voters were to be removed from the list and a new one to be created by 23rd of Feb, 2012, as per the latest hearing in the Supreme Court. It is rather impossible for one to find out false voters in the list, however, Imran Khan’s team was “somehow” able to pin-point those people.

    Moving to more recent events, our Prime Minister has openly accepted the fact that “now” democracy is under a threat of “something” and that people should unite. Also, Babar Awan has started tweeting to “beg” the civil society to stand united against non-democratic forces. However, these cries for help by PPP are going to fall into deaf ear as Nawaz Shareef has already given everyone a heads up and asked the current most corrupt government to step down and call for elections, which will also give them a chance to escape with their suitcases while they can. Alas, PPP is thinking that they might be able to play the card for democratic victims.

    All in all, we are in for a very eventful new year with a possibility of a Technocratic government chosen by the powerful few to cleanup politics in Pakistan once and for all. However, there is also a chance that Imran Khan might feel too over-confident and push for elections by April to June and take the biggest risk of his short political career.

  153. #153 by Sentinel Prime on December 22, 2011 - 11:23 PM


    Thanks for your kind words about me.

  154. #154 by Sentinel Prime on December 22, 2011 - 11:24 PM


    I actually interpreted your comment as how JAK interpreted it but I can now see you have clarified it.

  155. #155 by Sentinel Prime on December 22, 2011 - 11:25 PM

    I’ve had a busy day folks and am going to bed, inshallah will write something tomorrow morning.

  156. #156 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 3:41 AM

    wehshee ko sakoon se kiya matlab
    jogi ka nagar main thikana kiya

    Wah shida khali pistol kya baat hai tumharee siyasi nazriyat aur nukta cheeN honay per.

    Guys, let me introduce you to “wehshee” he is an old blogger friend and we know each other through blogging and chat sites for the last 12-13 years. Earlier his nick name was shida.

    Good to see you here wehshee, laikin dhamakay shamakay na kero, zara araam say aur IT-MIN-YAAN say baitho and please clarify what kinda “Chirya” is that?

  157. #157 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 3:47 AM

    The latest news from PK political desk is: Government, Army on collision course

    Gen. Kiyani and Gen. Pasha have already submitted their reports on memogate scandal and have cleared their stance, ab dekhna ye hai kay Chief Justice Chaudhary kya kertay hain? “Now, the Court is under his Balls.” 😀 Meera.

  158. #158 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 3:52 AM

    Wah, kya Magenta tie, pie hai.
    Shakal say tou pukka halwai hai.

  159. #159 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 4:01 AM


    Pls read Dhoni’s comments here also that of your favourite all time hero, KrishnamaCherry Srikanth and KristenMaGarry I can’t.

  160. #160 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 4:13 AM

    Ye Lo, Shakibulbul by virtue of the cool kheera has now become the No.1 test all-rounder player in the WORLD, a player from the minnows is topping the ICC rankings, which I have never been able to understand. Neither this, nor their country rankings or the D/L method of deciding the result of a match. All in All, the ICC looks like it is governed by a bunch of stupid idiots.

  161. #161 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 4:23 AM

    This is very strange, since he has returned from Dubai, Asif Zardari has been calling Altaf Hussain regularly. How come this hate relationship has turned into LAO? What is the motive and the intention here? Is it just lao or there is something more than what meets the eye? Is he trying to use Altaf Hussain to use his influence in stopping Imran Khan’s rally in Karachi? Whatever it is, Zardari is not that Ch2.

    On the other hand his deputy Nathoo Halwai Gillani is blowing his nostrils like an 8mm Howitzer and aiming at Kiyani and Pasha, hoping that CJC is behind him to cover his ass or, this is just a caveat emptor to Kiyani that beware you so and so, it will be your risk if you take any move agianst us, blady blah and daddy dah………… and as soon as he finished saying this, he asked for a nappy change! 😀

  162. #162 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 6:16 AM


    he’s talking to altaf hussein bakaz he’s also about to flee like him 😆

    gillani nappy change or gender change?

    khel khatam guys

    its all over

  163. #163 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 6:40 AM


    mein azaaaadi mein yaqeen rakhta hun. har aadmi apni tarjeehat behtar samjhta hae. lihaza cumments likhney par bhi uski marzi hae. yahan to bohot sey hazraat 15 din baad purana mauzoon chedrte hain apana khudai haq samjh kar. mere nazdeek intihai namunasib baat hae. kabhi kabhi chalta hae, butta hamesha?

    baat ye hae ke masrufiyat ka nuqta eik mubham nuqta hae. masrufiyat ka kya matlab hae. masroof aadmi ke pas to sar khujalne ki fursat nahi honi chaye. baaz auqat kuch log masrufiyat ki aadr lete hain- mein ammoomi ( general) baat kar raha hun, kisi makhsus shaks ki nahi. unka maqsad samney waley ko ye jatlaana hota hae ke hum masruf aur aap farigh.

    ab baat kuch yahan ke hawaley se. last para general tha. bhai agar aap masroof ho to circket ka score kaisey dekh letey ho. uska to time hae, cumment ka time nahi aur phir masrufiyat ka bharam. bakwaaas, total bakwaaas. ye muhazibaana badtameezi hae.

    baharhaal qibla aap ko mein waashigaaf alfaaz mein ye baat kahna chataa hun meri yahan maujudgi se qatae nazar aap mere lye muhtram rahengey. aap ko mein batata chalun ke kuch din mein nahi aaya tha, aap ne meri khairyat daryaafat ki to mein ne safar ke douran apne phone se aap ko jawab diya. har aadmi ki apani nouiyat hoti hae. jab sur chidr hi gaya hae to arz ye hae ke ahqar guzashta ek haftey se aleeel hae aur ahbaab baaz auqaat toktey hain ke aaraam karo aur tabsra phir karlena magr khel ka ishq sarhadein phalangney par majbur karta hae 😉

    aur jaweyd paee tusi veena ko samjhao!

  164. #164 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 6:43 AM

    wehshee bhai

    nice observation!

  165. #165 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 7:54 AM


    lubbe lubbab ye hae ke aap se hamen koi ikhtilaaf nahi. aur achi baat yeh hae ke aap ko hamari wazahat samjh hum aap ki ghair hazri se badgumaan hoe, na hum ne koi shikayat ki. baat samjhne mein kuch ghalt fahmi hui jo ke hota hae.

    chalein jee, raat gai baat gai!

  166. #166 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 10:22 AM


    My brother and friend, i dont understand a lot of your urdu so at times i may not respond due to that reason if you have addressed me.

    As for pakistans political problems, gillani is now retracting from previous claims that there is no conflict between army and govt.

    They are all liars and opportunists.

  167. #167 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 10:25 AM

    I have yet to read that thing you posted. I will reply to that later

  168. #168 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 10:29 AM


    hamari urdu ko gharaq kijye

    ye bataye pk ki situation aap ko kaisi lag rahi hae

  169. #169 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 10:57 AM

    I feel that imran is supported by army. Efforts are underway to get rid of ppp govt. Mqm in punjab probably to erode ppp support. Musharraf will be allowed to live in pakistan by imran and will carry on with political activities.

    What is n leagues position. What is their role.

    What about mullahs. They seem to be ok with imrans popularity.

  170. #170 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 11:02 AM


    just now army chief kiyani and judge dredd have said that there is no threat to democracy and no martial law

    its more about ouster of zardari

  171. #171 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 11:09 AM

    They think ppp is on its way out anyway. What is the point of coup in current age of media when corruption and incompetence is exposed. Musharraf gave pakistan free media and this is something that will not let pakistan fail. No one gives him credit for it.

  172. #172 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 11:19 AM


    my hotmail account is hacked and I am trying to solve this issue, so in the meantime, if you have to say something imp, pls send it on my gmail account …. same goes for whoever has my email addy. Thanks.

  173. #173 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 11:30 AM


    jk i hope u retrieve it!

    These hackers r nasty

  174. #174 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 11:56 AM


    the link that you have posted from dawn sums up the details very well, but that is still not calming the growing speculation of a possible coup from the army or, throwing out the PPP govt out of power by the judiciary. Both of them are denying that this will happen. So, what is the solution then? Will this crook called Zardari and his cronies will continue ruining the country till the next election? And, this country will remain in the sphere of uncertainty like it has been for the last 64 years? This is very frustrating for the people and extremely bad for the economy of the country. Unfortunately, in Pakistan some people are used to living in uncertainty and even in the game of cricket, in terms of captain and players selection there is always uncertainty and confusion.

  175. #175 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 12:06 PM


    Yar its my mistake, its not a mistake but ch2yapa because, normally I am so careful in opening emails and I seldom open emails from strangers, most of them go straight to the junk folder and I delete in bulk. But, this one came from my neice and she was asking me to check out the photos on facebook and I told her that I am not a facebook enthusiast, you better send me through email and not all in one go, but in instalments so, last week she sent me a bunch of family photos and I saw them, we exchanged views and then yesterday when I came back from that uneventful meeting, I was so tired and hungry but, at the same time I wanted to check out the emails and the blog. So, a lot of tabs were open, including hotmail and I saw this email in my in-box with her email address.

    For a second I was suspicious because there was no personal message like salam or dear javed mamu etc., instead in the subject it was written ‘hey’ and then there was a link, check out more photos and that is it.

    All my contacts received a similar email in a couple of minutes and before I could call them on phone, some of them already opened it and did what I did. However, yesterday I was able to control the situation by changing the PW but, this morning I cannot access my hotmail and this message is “apparently” from msn hotmail saying, your account has been hacked and someone has your password and we have blocked your account, so pls. give us your cell phone number and we will send you a verification code through cell phone, texting charges may apply but, you should be able to retrieve your account and operate normally, this is for your own safety.

    aaaanAAAAn, ab mai inna V bola nai hoon to land up in another problem with my cell phone. That is why I hate checking email from cell phones. I am sure this is another scam because, how will the hotmail people solve issues of people who do not have a cell phone? I am sure there are millions of hotmail users who do not have a cell phone. So???? Khair, I will see.

  176. #176 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 12:36 PM

    Misbah plots England demise

    Pakistan captain Misbah-ul Haq is adamant his side are playing well enough to defeat England in the upcoming Test series in the United Arab Emirates.

    Misbah boasts a fine record as Test skipper, claiming six wins, six draws and suffering only one loss in his 13 matches in charge.

    But Andrew Strauss brings his world number one-ranked side to the Middle East full of confidence too, having won eight of their last nine Test series home and away.

    And Misbah is expecting a tough, yet winnable, examination against England when play gets under way in Dubai on January 17.

    “The series against England is important as well as very tough,” Misbah told reporters.

  177. #177 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 12:39 PM

    Hussey hoping for a bit of luck

    Australia veteran Mike Hussey is looking for “a little bit of luck” to get out of his recent slump, starting in the Boxing Day Test against India in Melbourne.

    After averaging more than 50 for the majority of his career, Hussey has managed just 83 from his last seven innings and is starting to come under pressure to retain his place in the team. But the 36-year-old has remained defiant throughout and is confident of getting among the runs in the traditional festive clash at the MCG.

    “I feel like I am in a good place mentally and I feel like I am batting well in the nets,” Hussey said. “Sometimes you need a bit of luck early in your innings and you can go on and get a big score. If you do get through that initial period, it does get a lot easier and I know in myself that I am playing well.”

    Australia have made special plans to cope with the swing of experienced left-armer Zaheer Khan.

    We have faced Zaheer in the past and we have watched a lot of footage on him as well,” he said. “We have seen what he likes to do, what way he likes to swing it.

  178. #178 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 12:42 PM

    India batsman VVS Laxman says he’s a fan of Australian conditions because they reward stroke-makers

    Former Australia captain Mark Taylor said the imposing India batting line-up could be exposed on livelier pitches in the four-match series.

    Taylor said the young, inexperienced Australia pace attack could prove a nasty surprise because the tourists are used to batting on slow and low Indian wickets.

    But Laxman can point to his formidable record of 1081 runs at 54.05 over 11 Tests in Australia.

    “For me, the Australian surfaces are best for batting,” Laxman said.

    “I always relish batting in such conditions, rather than the subcontinent.

    “Once you see the new ball, there’s true bounce in the wicket and you can play a lot of shots – you get value for your shots.

    “I definitely feel the wickets in Australia are ideal for stroke players.”

  179. #179 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 12:57 PM


    after england series it will be 6 wins,8 draws and 2 losses

    lol @ captain uncertainity and Circumstances.

  180. #180 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 1:14 PM

    Blockbuster news

    spcially 4 tintin

    javd hashmi to join pti on 25 dec

  181. #181 by wehshee on December 23, 2011 - 2:14 PM

    Khan Sahab, ultay seedhay e-cards kholna band kar do wadday din ke ..

    Aaj ke halaat-e-sayaasat se yeh zaahir hota hai ke dono Army aur Aala Adliya kisi qanooni paycheedgi ki nazar karein ge PPP ko. Aur establishment ki poori koshish hai ke PPP ko aglay election mein khatam kar dein ge, aur eik nayee party us mein se bann ke niklay gi jis ko shayab PPP Bhutto ka naam diya jaaye.

    Sab log bohat koshish kar rahay hain ke qayam maqaam hakoomat izzat se waapis chali jaye, lekin is ke aasaar nazar nahi aatay.

  182. #182 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 2:49 PM


    I’ve seen that report. My impression is that the girl looks older than 19.

    If that Afghani guy is with her then he is looking for “a room” in America and that is why he is with her. In Afghanisation he would not have any option but to eat “a grass”. The girl is a “Youngsta Beauty” for someone as old for him and he thinks she has “a beautiful head” on her shoulders. Maybe he abducted her and kept her as “a keep” for those few days? There are no Batman or Robin in real life so the police was investigating.

  183. #183 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 2:50 PM


    Now there are definitely corruption alarm bells ringing if Hashmi is joining PTI.

    I was hoping no senior leader from N League or PPP would join IK.

    What happened to Imran’s claim that all senior leaders from the two big parties have committed big crimes?

  184. #184 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 3:15 PM


    alarm bells are definitely ringing

    this govt’s days are numbered

    zardari will get convicted via SC in memogate case

    IK will get huge nos in nwfp and punjab- oops kp

    ppp core committee has announced 6 march as date for senate elections but this looks more act of desperation than defiance

    you might see some people from ppp joining IK- i mean the ones who are active

  185. #185 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 3:20 PM

    wahshee bhai

    ppp gaee- iska qalaquma hogaya

    is mulk mein jo fauj se uljhta hae wo zaleel hokar nikalta hae

    is waqt tamam aham umoor fauj ke haath mein hain

    aur amreeka ka jhokao hamesha fauj ki tarf hota hae

    amreeka jantaa ke ye hukumat nakaam hae aur jab bhi aisey halat hotey hain amreeka thainga ( thumb) dekhata hae

    yehi musharraf ke saath hua aur ab ppp ki baari hae

    qibla aap jitna samjhey utne par izhaar farmaein

    warna koi masla nahi

    ab urdu comment ka jawab urdu mein hi jachta hae


    whoever messes with the army, gets humiliated in pk and america always supports the army and ejects the unpopular govt just like happened with mush.ppp govt is sinking

  186. #186 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 3:21 PM


    that girl youngsta beauty

    youngsta ok but beauty

    shes average!

  187. #187 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 3:24 PM

  188. #188 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 3:30 PM

    This might interest some of the bloggers here

    interesting stats about sex

  189. #189 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 3:46 PM


    You think Umar Akmal is a beauty?

  190. #190 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 3:56 PM

    depends upon your sexual orientation qibla 😉

    on a serious note, beauty means quality in performance- thats what it means for umar

    or beauty as being beautiful ,prety

    that girl aint a performer and she aint beautiful

    if u rememeber nargus was also labelled a YB by jk !

    i dont think u akmal is a top notch batsman like inzy, moyo,miandad etc

  191. #191 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 4:01 PM

    qibla compare and contrast

    mishap has won 6 tests as capt and lost 1 out of 13

    clarke has won 3 out of 8 tests as captain, i think hes lost 2

    would it be wise to say mishap is better as a batsman and capt than clarke?

    this would be height of ch2ism!

  192. #192 by NewGuy on December 23, 2011 - 4:19 PM


    I like your assessment of the missing girl, nice touch of Waqar puts it all in context.

    You think this guy is looking for a “room” that is why this is arranged, very much possible, I thought the guy is rich or something. That is the only other possibility for someone old like that to be married to a “youngsta beauty”.

    May be the girl ran away with a secret boyfriend for a few days. Who knows? anyway, media lost interest, so fifteen minutes of interest is gone now. Case closed.

  193. #193 by NewGuy on December 23, 2011 - 4:26 PM


    You asked the other day if ZK is fit.

    Zaheer Khan is fit and lean says Cricinfo and Laxman.

    Other yougsta bueties I’Shan’t and Yeah Dough are fit too according to reports.

    This is all pre match fitness, meaning they are eating well and sharing jokes in the dressing room, once they step on the field it could be different story. We might be seeing trundlers par excellence, Mithu and VK bowling lolly pops at Aussies. Ricky Ponting may just come back to form if Mithu and VK gets on field.

    These two deadly duos will never get injured, because they hardly use any muscles in their body. One of them, Mithu is 6 ft 2 in tall and has good build, he worked out in the gym it seems when he was young and was a shot put thrower, now he can’t even throw the ball like Javelin thrower Murali’s speed.

    It’s such a waste of former talent, could have used the red cherry like a shot put, and who knows that action may even pass ICC quirky laws on arm bend, and we might have a 1000 wicket champion. Someone should tell this to Mithu. May be Kumble will give him this advise for a fee.

  194. #194 by NewGuy on December 23, 2011 - 4:27 PM


    I too thought Shakib Al Hassan rising to top all rounder in Tests is a farce. What a joke. Bangladesh has not even won any Test matches or even come closer in recent times. This guy Shakib has not done any great heriocs to save let alone win a match. Yet, he is a top all rounder.

  195. #195 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 5:04 PM


    pml n under pressure!

  196. #196 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 5:05 PM

    Zen, when did I lablel Nargas as a YB? Come on please don’t supREAD rumours about my taste.
    Secondly, you said that Umar Akmal is a YB bakaoz of his performance and……..
    What do you know about that girl? Have you tested her performance? 😀
    She could be a marathon runner and just returned after a long session~
    And, that proverbial expression that you used the other day, i.e.,

    Subha ka bhoola shaam ko ghar aye tou usay bhoola nahee kehtay…..

    We used to say this for one of the most famous bloggers of this blog called aBdul’
    And, we used to add a suffix.. ussay aBdul Ch2 kehtay hain!

    Wehshee, it was one of those blunders, ab bhugat reha hoon.

  197. #197 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 5:09 PM

    NewGuy, I am glad that you understand my point about Shaki-bulbul. Its neither a joke, nor it is comical or farcical but simple and plain stupidity on part of the ICC.

    Whatever your assessment may be about the Indian bowling, we will get to see that in about 2 days from now, na ghora door na maidaan. I may be proved wrong but, Indian bowling will be very ineffective in Australia, especially in Perth which is a very bouncy and fast track, besides the Aussies are practicing a lot on swing bowling using some new techniques. Whatever it is, it will be very interesting.

  198. #198 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 23, 2011 - 5:11 PM

    Zen masters, chalo jee toada Afaq Ahmad is now on IK side and he wants immy to address the rally in KHI

  199. #199 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 5:17 PM


    on one pf the previous blogs you said 2 types of y b’s

    the other type was nargus and you wrote about some song chummeeeeeeee layyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

    about that lass, I meant she wasnt anything special

    btw about shakib, there is a rating system which quantifies players performance. so one cant help it if shakib gets max points.

    see there is a tennis player caroline wozniacki- youngsta beauty from all angles butta not an angel

    an yway, she’s no1 butta she never won a grand slam and just like you some people quiz the fact that why she’s no1?

    butta wta has a points system which is copied by icc

    you cant help it man bakaz quantification is primarily based on numbers.

  200. #200 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 5:20 PM

    mera afack ahmed


    dear i have loads of mqm friends, i cant be afack member

    butta the good thing is most of them know iam naat into palitics a lot!

    btw, ye khabar kahn se aae?

    and did u get ur haatmail unbelocked

  201. #201 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 5:25 PM

    I find this one definitely a YB

    may god bless her

    im happy for her and her parents

  202. #202 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 5:29 PM

    jaa wed , I think the 2 aussie collapses we recently witnessed make them extremly vulnerable.

    England focussed on all indian batsmen butta they are focussing on tendulkar primarily.

    hence if tendulkar performs, aussies will get deflated!

    whereas against england even when he got a start, he was dismissed

    thats why i feel pk will not find englund easy

  203. #203 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 5:29 PM

    Imran told hamid mir a few days ago that he will not forge any alliance with musharraf.
    He can ally himself with hashmi but not musharraf?

  204. #204 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 5:37 PM

    well bakaz his campaign was always based on anti mush rhetoric and this gave him impetus initially, he cant do that

    it will spell trouble for him

  205. #205 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 5:44 PM

    well india’s top batsman in 2011 seems determined to win in australia

    he’s not interested in stats, he just wants to win

    Nice attitude 🙂

  206. #206 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 5:49 PM

    You think its dravids last series?

  207. #207 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 6:11 PM

    no… i hope not!

    butta definitely its his last series in australia and for that matter tendulkar, lazman etc

    i think he’ll play till 2014- who knows

    he might have a torrid time and people start asking for his scalp

    had he endured a series like tendulkar in england, he would have been gone for sure

  208. #208 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 6:13 PM


    u still visualise mush as the messiah who’ll transform pakistan?

  209. #209 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 6:16 PM

    its all immi rite now

    Gods are smiling, everybody is rooting for him!

  210. #210 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 6:23 PM


    SRT was the 5th and India’s 2nd best scorer in that series.

    Sehwag, Laxman, Gambhir etc all performed worse than him.

    They are still in the team.

    So what makes you think Dravid would have gone?

    Sehwag is having the worst year of his career if you exclude 2007 when he only played 1 Test, and he is still in the team.

  211. #211 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 6:25 PM

    Well, he did give Pakistan free media, buoyant economy, a relatively peaceful Karachi and dozens of schools, roads, IT projects etc.

    If back in power and weakening PML N and PPP he can probably deliver again.

  212. #212 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 6:38 PM


    i admire tendulkar but im not his fan.

    i dont know the stats butta I know he’ll play even if he doesnt get the 100 in next 2 yrs.

    regarding mush, he didnt deliver anything unique

    free media was bound to come. can u envisage pk in2011 w/o tv channels

    development always continues, no govt is accusec of not developing.

    peace in karachi is all mqm, befriend them its peace. alienate them its PIECE!

    buoyant economy! world economy is in shambles, what he can do?

    he cant print dollars!

  213. #213 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 6:45 PM

    i found this cooollllllllllll……..

    judge saab mujhe talaaq chahiye. Biwi ne ek saal sey baat nahi ki

    judge: bewaquf, dobaara soch lo, aisey biwi khush naseeb ko milti hae

  214. #214 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 7:42 PM

    Saying that you admire someone but are not a fan is like telling someone that their views are unreasonable or extreme.
    Are you a fan of sehwag because you dont seem to care that he only averages 28 this yr?
    Not a word was spoken about the other so called team players and match winners who failed miserably in england.
    Well about being a fan , i am not too sure because i started admiring srt at such a mental disposition when you dont become fanatic about sportsmen or celebrities. But what i do know is that i dont have a grudge against any player which is a lot worse than being a fan, assuming thats how i feel.

  215. #215 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 7:54 PM



    dont get so excited

    you are forgetting one aspect- AGE!

    had sehwag been 38, it would have been same for him!

    I disagree with your interpretation. what it means i dont keep track of his stats to the degree you do and its a fact

    ks, yes others also failed butta its the senior most batsmen who are held most accountable

    after all, dont we hold mishap and younis most accountable for semi screw up

    what you are saying is what mishap supporters say , why blame mishap. there are 10 other players?

    no laxman, sehwag, openers, raina yes they r responsible butta tendulkar is the most

    if pointing out a player’s failure is a grudge, then so be it!

  216. #216 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 8:05 PM

    Theres a difference how odi and test matches are played. Even if umar akmal, hafeez, or younis were in misbahs position they would be criticised. Laxman is also old but you didnt criticse him.
    If your argument is to do with age but not skill then i can take your point, but neither you, jak or sagaat consider srt as very skilled esp in tests. So, why dont more skilled players like sehwag and laxman get criticised.

    I think its worse sehwag averages 28 even if he is 5 years younger than srt who averages 47.

  217. #217 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 8:14 PM


    we are talking about responsibility

    and its the same virually in all forms of the game

    every team has CORE BATSMEN

    pontings, tendulkars, smiths

    lazmans and sehwags r not in the same league

    although laxman is a fighter and i rate his 280 very high

    even he has to go, thats understood

    yup, my point was abt age!

    KS, u know a lot abt tendulkar

    just tell me one thing

    please dont check from anywhere, but if you dont know then fine you can coz i checked from stats


    how much he career averages and how much a top order batsman ( senior most batsman) should average in a series in context of responsibility

  218. #218 by Sentinel Prime on December 23, 2011 - 8:24 PM

    Did i ever say his performance was fabulous?
    I know his average, he averaged more than dhoni, laxman and sehwag.

    Either you should rate him as the teams best player if you expected him to perform. Or if you doubt his abilities dont be surprised even though he outperformed 2 batsmen who are at times considered better test players- laxman and sehwag.

    Can you plz clarify how you actually rate him first.

  219. #219 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 8:32 PM


    you didnt answer my question

    anyway his average was 34- yes a pathetic 34

    for a guy who’s claimed by many to be better than Don, this is terrible……..( what else i should use as an adjective)

    sorry, dhoni was 35ish- shade better than him.

    you defend his performance in England by saying 5th highest scorer, 2nd highest indian scorer. you never mentioned this!

    no, thats poor!

    yeah, rest also failed . so his failure should be rationalised by highlighting their failures

    which of these batsmen are hailed as pretenders of Don

    sorry, the hundred gobbled him and personally I wish he gets it

    if you ask me how i rate him, i would say one of the rare batsmen who can be compared with Don

    butta what was Don’s worst performance in a series. did he average 34?

  220. #220 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 8:34 PM

    butta mentally he’s not tough

    and skill has to be augmented with that

    mind you, i answered your query but you evaded mine!

  221. #221 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 8:39 PM

    pietrsen and bell averaged above 100,cooke 60 ish, prior 70 ish !

    so how one shouldnt be critical!

    wasnt his failure one of the prime reasons for a 4-0 drubbing!

  222. #222 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 8:45 PM

    laxman was 23, yuvraj 35 and surprise surprise mishra the leggie was 38!

    you never discussed it from this angle

    it always centred around the fact that hes second highest indian run getter

    and how poorly yuvraj is treated. sorry i dont buy this!

    if the spine of your team performs like that then you might kiss victory goodbye!

    we say mishap cant beat england and SA with this approach

    so will india regain no1 ranking with this approach?


  223. #223 by wehshee on December 23, 2011 - 8:58 PM

    Aadhi raat ki sayaasi chai ..

    Fehmeeda Daultaana ne bohat koshish ki hai Javed Hashmi sahib ko manaanay ki lekin woh nahi maanay. Lekin ab masla Javed Hashmi tak nahi raha, sunnay mein aaya hai ke takreeban 10 se 11 PMLN aala members bhi Javed Hashmi ke peechay peechay PTI mein shaamil ho jaayein, in mein se eik Saad Rafiq bhi ho saktay hain.

    Sab log yehi keh rahay hain ke masla kiya hua? Well, party ke senior members ne kaafi dafa kaha Shareef saab ko ke resign kar dein aur corrupt hakoomat ka saath mat dein, lekin un ko aisa lagta hai ke Shareef saab ne shayad agla Prime Minister bannay ke liye Zardari ke saath koi agreement kiya hua hai jis ki waja se woh yeh sab nahi kar rahay.

    Lekin, Javed Hashmi jaisi hasti ka PTI mein shaamil honay ka yeh nateeja hai ke log Bhutto aur Shareef khandaan ki baariyoon se tang aa gaye hain, jis ki waja se PTI un ke liye eik bohat acha tareeqa hai in dono se najaat haasil karnay ka.

  224. #224 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 9:03 PM

    wehshee bhai

    tazaa khabron ke mutabiq saad rafique abhi tak jamey hue hain.

    mauqaa waqai behtreen hae

    khass kum jahan paak!

  225. #225 by Zen on December 23, 2011 - 9:07 PM

    jaweyd paeeee

    lagta hae gillani ke howitzer mein cow dung ghusney wala hae

    bohot dheet hain ye beghairat

    uloo ke pa…on ko chaiye resign karen aur election ladrey, thodri izzat rah jaegi

    magr zaleeel honey mein unko maza aata hae

  226. #226 by wehshee on December 23, 2011 - 9:13 PM

    Zen janaab, aap dekho sayaasat kiya rang laati hai. Saad Rafiq agar rukay ga to sirf aur sirf apnay sayaasi mufaad ke liye, kyu ke agar 10-11 log chorr jaayein ge to agla banda line mein Saad Rafiq hi ho ga 🙂

    All in all, franchise of Bhutto’s and Shareef’s is now coming to an end. As far as PTI’s potential alliances are concerned, its going to be basically Jamaat-e-Islaami.

  227. #227 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 12:24 AM

    Thank God, I have been able to retrieve my hotmail accounts, (goo na goo koshishaon kay baad)
    Zen, I remember I wrote about that Nargas song that I saw on a D.o.D at some paindoos house and it was disgustipatingly pathetic. Anyways, I have such a splitting headache at the moment as well as a sigh of relief to get back the hotmail account back.

    I will write later when I feel better. take care everyone

  228. #228 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 3:39 AM

    Wehshee yar tum Shida hee acchay lagtay thayy!
    Btw, Sentinel Prime is ‘khansahab’ and he is not me, but he is one of the blog administrators and generally everyone addresses him as khansahab, when you address me as khansahab there is a bit of confusion here. So, I just wanted to bring this to your notice. You may address me as Javed or JAK or whatever else.

  229. #229 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 3:52 AM

    Australian selectors seems to be too cautious to start their first test against India. They included Christian in the squad and it was expected that he will make his debut, now they dropped him in place of Hilfenhaus. I thought that Christian would be a better choice because he is an all-rounder.

  230. #230 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 3:55 AM

    Zen magar Chaudhry IPT-e-Car is saying something else …… he is saying Army nahee aa skatee, woh din gaye! Dukh bharay din beetay ray bhaiyya……. The good days are ahead, I wonder what days will that be?

  231. #231 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 4:28 AM

    Maintenent Cette nuit le temp ici -12 °C à Montréal, ooooooper say saali snow bhee purr gayee, finally its going to be White Christmas, goraon ko khush kernay ko. Shida tumhe tou Boston ki sardi yaad ati hogi?

  232. #232 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 4:43 AM


    martial law mushkil hae

    hosakta hae zardari resign karde aur party ittiba mein ( obedient follower) ban kar resign karey. magr ye bhi ho sakta hae ke minus zardari kaam chalae.

    dekhey kya hota hae.

    mohtarma ki barsi par hungama hoga

  233. #233 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 4:44 AM


    india will win or draw this series. aussie setup looks nervous and is taking weird deceyns. tendulkar wil get the elusive 100.

    overall it will be a better series for india than england.

  234. #234 by NewGuy on December 24, 2011 - 4:53 AM

    Hilfenhaus is a good bowler. He also has a decent record against India when they played Test series in India, he was the only bowler who could make an impact. He is not super fast, but can swing the ball, may be they think he has experience bowling to Indians that may help.

  235. #235 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 5:02 AM

    butta they are concentrating primarily on outswing bowlers w/o realizing that indian batsmen had lots of lbws in england. IMO< batsmen should never know beforehand what sort of bowling stataegy is being devised against him. i still rememeber when sehwag scored a triple in pk, analysts concluded he struggles against inswing bowlers so razzak was drafted and it paid dividednds.

    india just need to do well in first test mainly in batting and tendulkar should focus on his batting rather the monkey he's carrying. he will get the 100 on this tour and if indian batting clicks, aussie batting is vulnerable these days and they might collapse against an average attack.

    so india must believe they have a chance and achieve what dravid said on skysports.

  236. #236 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 5:03 AM

    Zen – Agar BB ki barsi tak Zardari kursi per reha tou aur agar utar gaya tou, he would be saying this:

    My darling, my BB, my beautiful wife:
    Marrying you screwed up my life.

    On the famous slogan, Zinda hai BB Zinda hai…….

    I see your face when I am dreaming.
    That’s why I always wake up screaming.

    When he went to the USA for the first time as The President:

    I thought that I could lao no other —
    that is until I saw Sarah Palin and I slipped in a gutter.

  237. #237 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 5:07 AM


    When Sehwag scored triple ton in Multan on Inzi’s flate grave, he gave 5 chances, or should one say he was dropped 5 times. But, the ultimate thing that happened is, he finished off Saqlain Mushtaq’s career as a bowler in Pakistan. The called Saqi gave away more than 200 runs, could that be a record? I dunno let the statisticiankhansahabsentinialprime come and confirm us.

  238. #238 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 5:10 AM

    NewGuy, yes you are right about Hilli, I also thought of the same thing but, I was simply ridiculing the OZ’s for getting jittery. Esp. Shane Watson is also not in the team, my view was Christian would have filled his spot, but OZs are going for a specialist bowler.

  239. #239 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 5:12 AM


    butta india is more suspect to bowlers who can dev iate both ways as opposed to mishap’s circumstancial 11 which plays outswing horrendously. so itll work for india

    actually when he went to us and saw palin, he thought palin was singing the nargus song

    ………………that chumeeeeeeeeeeeeee layeeeeeeeeee!

    now kiyani and judge are singing

    nach zardari nach zardari nach zardari nach

  240. #240 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 5:17 AM

    Zen did you watch this video? Its short and sweet, even NewGuy would enjoy it.

  241. #241 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 5:23 AM

    A Waikho, aur tusi batao, A kithay Waikhra aye?

    Hunn menu daso, isdi Ukkh Hema Malini say mildi aye A, Veena say?

  242. #242 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 5:25 AM

    yup ive seen it,its in other lingos as well

    watch this loved it

  243. #243 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 12:46 PM

    Billi ney chechdron ke khawab dekhney shuru kardye

  244. #244 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:07 PM


    I am also very sorry to report this but Dhoni’s average was 31.42. Please see this if you don’t believe me and you can check who was India’s 2nd best batsman and the series 5th best scorer:;type=series

    95% of our discussion on the England series has centred around SRT’s failure. I think that is not trying to hide his failure whilst highlighting other’s failures. I myself have been a party to discussing his poor form and asking for him to retire and stop embarrassing himself. But, let us be a little fair and not blame him entirely.

    Previously you always said that he can’t be compared with the Don. You are again claiming in a later comment that, SRT is not mentally strong. My question is that if Sehwag, Laxman etc are stronger mentally and better Test players why don’t you expect them to outperform SRT?

    I have not avoided any point of yours. Being the senior most player does not mean that you have to be the best performer necessarily. Whenever Pakistan played in the time of Inzi I always had more expectations from Yousuf as far as run scoring is concerned because he was more consistent. When South Africa plays I expect more from Smith, Amla and de Villiers because I think they are better than Kallis.

    So if you feel SRT is not a pressure player, only plays for his records and is not mentally strong (you will not be alone because Sagaat and JAK also believe this) then you should blame Sehwag and Laxman more than him.

    On one hand you criticise his Test credentials but on the other hand you expect him to be the best batsman of the series and you compare him with Bradman.

  245. #245 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:10 PM


    The most expensive bowling spell was by a player called Fleetwood who played for Australia. He gave away 298 runs vs England in a match played in 1938.

  246. #246 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:12 PM


    I agree that Indians play outswing better than inswing. I think Siddle is probably the only bowler who can bring the ball in.

    Sehwag is very vulnerable whenever the ball is swinging in. Due to his poor footwork he is unable to get in a position to play a good shot when the ball darts in at a good pace.

  247. #247 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:18 PM


    Nawaz Sharif’s government did not develop anything other than a motorway between Lahore and Islamabad. So, it is not the case that every government develops as per the same rate.

    In Musharraf’s time we are talking about dozens of projects right from Karachi to northern areas.

    Alternatively you can say peace in KHI is all PPP and ANP. If you befriend them then there is no peace.

    World economy faced recession from 2006 onwards. Between 2001 and 2006 Pakistan was developing rapidly and became one of the “next 7” states or something like that, ranked by some global body. It was placed in the same group as Turkey, Taiwan and other rapidly developing countries.

  248. #248 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:32 PM

    Something we have not discussed is that Dhoni has the benefit of knowing his team more than Clarke who is a new captain.

    This is probably Clarke’s first high profile series as captain and there will be nerves there.

    This gives India the edge as far as captaincy is concerned.

    Clarke will also be nervous about Australia losing to NZ quite badly in the last Test.

    As the 1st Test approaches I feel India is looking very confident because their batsman seem to have no problems in Australia.

    It is a battle between Indian confidence vs Australian mental strength and home advantage.

    I think Australia should go with:


    I will not be surprised if Australia go with this line up. The only two changes that might happen are maybe Starc for Hilfenhaus or someone else in for Christian.

    I’d say Christian should be used to perform the role Watson performed. The problem here is that none of these Australian tailenders can bat well. There was a time when you could expect Lee, Warne, Gillespie etc to hold the fort on a rainy day but you can’t do that with these tailenders.

    We have seen with India that Zaheer, Ashwin etc can bat.

  249. #249 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:33 PM

    Clarke, Warner and Haddin are in good batting form. At least Australia will take heart from this.

  250. #250 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:39 PM

    OK I am now having doubts re Imran Khan……Wasim Akram was apparently close to the Sharifs because they attended his wife’s funeral. So, what happened since then?

    Wasim Akram inviting people to attend Imran Khan’s Karachi rally

    Lahore: Former Pakistan Cricket team captain and legendary fast bowler Wasim Akram has been seen on youtube video, inviting people to attend Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) rally in Karachi on December 25.

    “Those who are my fans and cricket lovers and above all this those who love Pakistan , I request them please attend the PTI rally if you want to bring a change,” Wasim Akram said.

  251. #251 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:41 PM

    Imran is very close to Wasim, the match fixing sword still dangles over Wasim’s head.

    Is Wasim an honest person? If not then why are he and Imran so close?

    Or is Imran dishonest too? N Leaguers say he has evaded tax and has been involved in betting.

  252. #252 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 1:43 PM


    according to this link dhoni remained not out twice and his average comes around 35

    now I dont know which source is more reliable but assuming what you say is true, it still doesnt change the complexion of the analysis

    see I say batsman X was second highest scorer for his team and 5th highest in series

    someone else says X averaged 34- avg of shoaib malik ughhhhhhhh……..

    the first one portrays a decent performance

    the second one portrays a poor performance

    you never mentioned his series average

    mishra averaged 38, prior 70ish, broad 60 ish

    a person with an elementary knowledge of maths can understand whats going on

    i reiterate how you can defend an average of 34?

    why you never present all the figures

    it shpuld be tendukkar scored 5th highest runs with an average of 34 where 11 batsmen averaged higher than him

    sorry i disagree that senior most player is not always held accountable- no!

    others are to be blamed but whats the motive behind that

    to protect tendulkar !

    isnt it bizarre that mishap is primarily held accountable for wc semi when his supportres say others are responsible

    we dismiss that ruthleesly, dont we

    but here you are adopting same ploy what his supporters do

    at least iam consistent- i criticise the senior most batsmen and i dont present stats in such a way to hide failures

  253. #253 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 1:57 PM


    When have I said the average of 34 is great? Please tell me that.

    If you don’t tell me when I said that, I will assume you are making things up because you don’t have any good points to make.

    Even in the my last comment I asked you when I have said his performance was fabulous. I can paste at least 20 comments where I have said his performance was poor and he should retire.

  254. #254 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 2:00 PM


    no peace in khi rests primarily with mqm. these 2 come much later

    do you know rite now how many development projects are being done by this corrupt, incompetent govt?

    just go through pk newspapers classified sections( if you have access) and youll realise

    examples- dairy and poultry village in bhambore, thatta

    town house schemes for overses pakis with areas in hectarres in lhr and islmabd

    loads more , dont want to innundate this blog and make it look a report about development in pk 😉

    yeah from 200-2006 world economy was blossoming and any leader could have improved pk economy- no big deal

    its about now

    brain thrusts from europe, imf , world bank have given gloomy forecasts

    so i dont buy a past relic would improve things


  255. #255 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 2:02 PM


    you never mentioned the average

    you always said that he was 2nd highest rungetter and 5tgh highest…..

    you should have mentioned it

    it came to the fore yesterday

    try to understand- its not something that difficult

  256. #256 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 2:05 PM


    If we have written 500 comments about the India England series, then I can assure you 475 would have been targeting Tendulkar only.

    Where is the criticism of Sehwag, Laxman, Dhoni and the rest?

    Supposedly better Test players?!

    This is the reality that only SRT has been criticised. Where have you got this point that I am trying to protect him?

    How can I protect him when I have barely raised the issue of Sehwag and Laxman’s performance and it has not even been discussed on this blog?

    In fact to an outsider this is, I am sure, an anti Tendulkar blog.

    Someone with simple maths acumen can also understand that if 95% or even more of discussion is centred around criticising one player but not highlighting the failures of others then it means bias and bad faith, rather than protecting that targeted player.

    Misbah’s situation can’t be compared with SRT because when Misbah came out to bat, there was no one else who could anchor Pakistan. Tendulkar had Laxman, Dhoni etc to come after him and they have probably won more matches in Tests than Tendulkar.

    In a Test match I would expect Dravid and Laxman to outperform SRT and so would JAK, Sagaat and possibly even Newguy because they have shown better Test credentials. You are probably alone in thinking that SRT should be blamed more than others for failures in a Test.

    You couldn’t be farther apart from consistency because on one hand you say he plays for records and is not mentally strong. On the other hand you compare him with Bradman and expect him to outperform Laxman and Sehwag.

  257. #257 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 2:09 PM


    I don’t want to go into the archives and dig comments out when I have claimed not only that Tendulkar performed poorly but also that his average was 34, and that he should retire and stop embarrassing himself.

    I don’t want to embarrass you either and that is why I will not paste the date and time of those comments which will include his average of 34.

    Please try to understand this and it is not very difficult why I don’t want to do that.

  258. #258 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 2:14 PM


    your cumments r providing fodder to mishap supporters

    just insert mishaps name where you have tendulkar and youl get my point

    475 comments criticising mishap

    where is criticsm of hafeez, beauty etc?

    ks, quite simply the thing is your admiration about tendulkar has reached a point where

    you simple LOVE HIM!

    the admiration for him evolved with time and ultimately now its become a headstrong tree- unshakeable

    thats why you portrayed his performance in england with pleasant figures

    iam not at all critical with that

    see i love fedrerer and it happened with me too

    but with time i managed to accept that he has flaws

  259. #259 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 2:18 PM


    it wont

    coz even yesterday you coldnt answer, i told u

    u r the statsman here

    no need for an archive its last nite this very blog

    he failed to deliver

    whether others deliverd or not is not being debated here

    apart from dravid nobody delivered- ok

    now if you want me to dissect sehwag, laxman, and raina fine i will

    butta i need you to participate

    it cant be just a simple copy paste of numbers and two cumments of adjectives

  260. #260 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 2:23 PM


    we are here to discuss issues

    there is no question of embarrasment

    like you showed dhoni’s average, i cleared my point

    i dont shy away from discussions and then pounce when i see an opportunity- cheapness!

    and frankly its not a matter of ego or pride

    two people have contrasting views and they are debating- good

    its not an issue of pride; im not that childish

    obviously it should be about players and shouldnt be abiut personal stuff!

    you can prove your stance rite , i can prove mine

    imagine if such things become obsolete here, what would be the complexion of this blog?

    boring like mishap

    hi, nice weather, had a coffee and two cookies, dullllllllllll…………….

  261. #261 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 2:54 PM

    Zen, on those video bloopers, I saw one live on CBC. After the 8:00 pm news when the weather man came and started his braggadocio about the next day’s weather forecast (apparently a day earlier he mentioned that there will be 8 inches of snow but, that didn’t happen because most of these forecasts are wrong) and did not mention about the snow. The news anchor suddenly interrupted him and said, “Dave, and what about the 8″ you promised me last night?” And, then her jaw dropped, she started laughing in embarrassment and so was Dave, he too burst into laughter.

  262. #262 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 2:57 PM

    well it looks whatmore is the next in line to replace halwai

  263. #263 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 2:58 PM

    I was reading the comments of Javed Hashmi, Aetzaz, Nawaz etc., in today’s DAWN some of them have just appeared a few minutes ago. Nawaz wants a third term. Shouldn’t someone tell him to go on Teesri Manzil and Chalang lagao?

    Manzil per yaad aya: Meera was reciting this poetry on TV and she looked very serious:

    Manzil say poochti hai Manzil, kahan hai meri Manzil?
    Manzil pay aa ker poochti hai Manzil, kya yehi hai meri Manzil?

    No one said, wah wah……. and she was very upset.

  264. #264 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 2:59 PM

    Yep, I saw that news, WHATMORE do you want? Nihari, ShabDegh and Badaam Doodh was the reply from Nawaz Sharif.

  265. #265 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 3:00 PM


    you know the most famous one was of Jane skinner, anchor of fox news

    have you seen that?

    if you havent just take a tour on youtube


    i agree indians struggle againt in swingers, so all this focus on outswingers only doesnt seem a sound strategy.

  266. #266 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 3:02 PM

    jaweyd paeee

    mqm as unoficiaaly offered its tacit support to imran

    while my knowledge in palitics is pretty average, i know one thing for sure

    mqm always supports the party that comes into power

    aayaa aayaa immi aayaa 😀

  267. #267 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 3:05 PM

    wehshee bhaii

    aitzaz ahsan kahta hae tehreek e insaaf ko pakistan ki teesri badri party maan leina chaiye

    ye baat mein ney geo urdu pe padrhi

    aap kya kahtey hain

    aur MQM bhi lagta hae imran ke sath hae

    aaj imran khan ne karachi mein kaha ke wo MQM key saath puraney tanazey bhula chukey hain

  268. #268 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 3:05 PM

    Goya kay MQM is like a Thaali ka Baingan? So, are you guys ready for IK’s rally tomorrow? I hope it goes peacefully without any hungama shungama! Enough of loot maar, qatl O gharat gari for nothing.

  269. #269 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 3:12 PM

    yes dear

    thaaali kaaa brinjal or eggplant ( i get confused with these veggies names in english)

    thats why it can never become a mainstream party!

    i hope it goes w/o any untoward incident!

    Allah bachaye!

  270. #270 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 3:13 PM

    Poetry competition between a Kala and a Gora


    First to recite his poem was the gora, a university graduate.

    He stepped to the microphone and said:

    “Slowly across the desert sand,
    Trekked a lonely caravan
    Men on camels two by two
    Destination – Timbuktu.”

    The crowd went crazy! No way could the old Kala high school drop out could top that, they thought.

    The old Kala calmly made his way to the microphone and recited:

    “Me and Tim a huntin’ went,
    Met three whores in a pop up tent,
    They were three, and we were two
    So I bucked one, and tim buktu.”

    The Kala won.

  271. #271 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 3:23 PM

    Yeah, the names of some veges have changed like baingan from brinjal to eggplant and like, Bhindi from ladyfinger to Okra.
    Dahee from curd to yogurt.

    Donkey and Ass were same butt, now ass is butt and butt is ass.

    Assess were sold and assess were bought, but now they even insure ass, Jo Lo’s ass is insured for a billion dollar, half a million a piece. Believe it or NOT, Google it and you will know.

    Even the French are using English words like Parking for Sationment, Week-end for la fin de semaine BUT,

    Americans couldn’t change despite trying hard to call French Fries to Freedom Fries and French Kiss to Freedom Kiss. Because, they think Bush was crazy to ask for that, the reality is fries are not freed but, gazumped and burped. French kiss does not free you or liberate you but, it locks your lips and ties you together.

  272. #272 by wehshee on December 24, 2011 - 5:52 PM

    Zen janaab .. Aitezaz Ehsan ko apna munh band rakhna chahiye kyu ke us ne Zardari se paisa le kar Adliya ke maamlay mein apna munh band kar liya tha. Aitezaz Ehsan has become a political figure rather and his comments are biased towards PPP.

    Imran Khan is starting to emerge as one of the biggest party in Pakistan and tomorrow’s Jalsa is going to prove it.

  273. #273 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 5:58 PM

    gee wehshee sahab

    jahangir khan ne pti mein shamuliyat ikhthiar kar li hae.

    javed hashmi ko party ki chairmanship ki dawa di jarahi hae, iska matlab ye hosakta hae ke imran khan altaf hussein ya zardari ki tarh party ke head houngey magr shayd parliamentary nizam mein shaamil na hon. baharhaal ye baat mustaqbil mein wazih hojaegi.

    aitzaz ahsan is waqt ppp sey farigh hochukey hain

  274. #274 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 6:14 PM


    Physical age does not mean that a person should be entrusted with responsibility or should solely bear the burden of defeat. Zardari is not the oldest politician in PPP but he has to face the music if his government is unable to perform. Similarly if Clarke lets Australia down people will not blame Ponting.

    Ponting has averaged only 38 in the past 5 years, but he does not get blamed solely for Australia’s decline in Test cricket. He is still in the team despite not performing well for 5 years in Test cricket.

    Now if your point is about seniority not in terms of physical age but in terms of experience, then both Afridi and Razzaq are more experienced than Misbah and should have therefore won the WC SF for Pakistan.

    Then why do we blame Misbah?

    We blame him because as the last remaining proper batsman and anchor batsman it was his responsibility to take Pakistan to the total.

    So, how can my comments provide fodder to Misbah’s supporters? Your comments are providing the fodder because you are resting everything on experience.

    My point is that SRT is not as prolific a Test player as Laxman or Sehwag and they should be criticised more because they have won or saved more matches for India. But what we are doing is that we are not criticising them at all. We are not even criticising all stakeholders fairly and you are projecting the situation in such a way to hold SRT completely accountable for the defeat.

  275. #275 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 6:19 PM


    The reason I didn’t answer last night was because I had gone to sleep. And this morning I answered all your points in full at the first available opportunity.

    The reason I didn’t mention his average yesterday was because my point was to compare his performance with the other Indian batsmen and he out-averaged Sehwag, Dhoni and Laxman. So, whatever his average might be, it was still better than their’s.

    You are the one who raised this issue saying that if Dravid had performed like SRT he would have been axed. I responded saying that the others performed worse than SRT and they are still playing and in order to illustrate this I provided the stats that he was the 2nd highest Indian scorer in the series.

    Do you realise that we were discussing SRT’s performance vs the others and not generally discussing his performance only in the context of the overall defeat?

  276. #276 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 6:20 PM


    ill come to comment 274 in a minute

    just read a blogger’s views on dawn

    i guess jk knows him

    Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad says:
    Today at 5:43 pm (5 hours ago)

    I fully agree with the comments and observations of the interim coach, who himself was a great cricketer during his hay days. After all, who can forget Mohsin Khan’s his double hundred at the Lords cricket ground against England in the 1980s.

    It will not be surprising at all for true cricket academics, scholars, experts, players, fans, umpires as well as practitioners of the game if ‘green-shorts’ eventually beat England in UAE during their upcoming series in all forms of the game.

    Having had the opportunity to play, administer and organize cricket at the highest level in the United Arab Emirates for over 16 long and consecutive years of my life, I can surely say that Misbah-ul-Haq and party will get all types of overwhelming moral, ideological as well as material support while playing against England in UAE including a highly tangible crowd support led by none other than ‘Sufi Jalil, the king of Pakistani cheer leaders’ since 1980s.

    Last but not the least, my advice to Andrew Strauss, Andy Flower as well as Mushtaq Ahmad and party will be to get ready both mentally as well as physically for the ‘unexpected’ results’ against one of the most unexpected cricket teams in the world.

    the blog was about halwai’s cumments on pk success against englund

  277. #277 by Sentinel Prime on December 24, 2011 - 6:28 PM


    Every discussion about Tendulkar starts whenever someone says something and I respond.

    I don’t instigate discussions about him.

    When you make comments like,

    “You love Tendulkar”

    “Try and understand- it is not difficult”

    “I admire but I am no fan (meaning that, you are telling me that I am a fan and my opinions are so because of my fanaticism, as if your opinions are due to your impartialiry or wisdom, or whatever)”…..

    Such comments show immaturity and ego.

    I am just saying the above because you have spoken about childishness and ego being involved in these debates. But, if you use such language or try to respond to someone’s point by belittling someone, please be prepared to receive a response.

    I don’t think you have communicated very well how you rate Tendulkar. I just don’t see how he can be so good to bear the burden of defeat vs England on the one hand, but then on the other hand he is not mentally strong, he is not a pressure player, he is worse than Dravid, Sehwag and Laxman etc.

    If you can say umambiguously that Tendulkar is better than Sehwag and Laxman then I can understand why you feel so disappointed with SRT. I am personally not that disappointed because Sehwag and Laxman are better Test batsmen and should have batted well. At least they could have scored a couple of fifties.

  278. #278 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 6:41 PM


    i didnt raise any issue about you not answering last nite

    if my line about people pouncing when oipportunity comes made you feel that then i wasnt talking about you

    no sir, its not about age. its about reputation and your performance over a period of time.

    pk’s 2 senior most batsmen are mishap and yk

    india’s 2 senior most batsmen are tendulkar and dravid.

    btw, when i asked you about his average usaid it was better than others or something……

    the question was how much

    you didnt mention that

    and for argument’s sake, even if you claim to have it mentioned bfor the point is whenever we talk about pataudi 2011 and tendulkar’s poor performance you say best 5th run getter, 2nd highest indian run scorer.

    this statement is meant to defend him, it never criticises him. to the casual reader it gives impression of a decent outing if not special.

    dhoni’s career average is 38 and tendulkar is 56

    dhoni averaged 35 acc to my source and 31 acc to your source

    tendulkar averaged 34!

    ks, do you find any substance in this argument

    38 becomes 35 or 31

    56 becomes 34

    judge for yourself!

    who was a bigger failure? so he outaveraged dhoni? yeah sure he even outaveraged himself



    My point is that SRT is not as prolific a Test player as Laxman or Sehwag and they should be criticised more because they have won or saved more matches for India. But what we are doing is that we are not criticising them at all. We are not even criticising all stakeholders fairly and you are projecting the situation in such a way to hold SRT completely accountable for the defeat.

    So SRT you are not a prolific test player ! then what are you exactly prolific at?

    ks are you sure cumment 274 is yours, i cant believe it , im stunned!

    you are admitting he’s not a prolific test player!

    yeah iam agree he was but not any more so lets dissect sehwags, laxmans, etc…….

    you know ks your cumment is a bigger bouncer than shoaib’s cumment about tendulkar shivering!

    fine infact i said lets talk sehwags, laxmans

    sehwag was injured and came in 3rd test and 4th test- poor, very poor!

    laxman is inadept at seam bowling- poor technique!

    now whats left?

    so it was laxman, dravid and sehwag who were supoosed to deliver. tendulkar was behind them in the queue!

  279. #279 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 7:02 PM


    in response to 277 i ll simply say this debate doesnt affect me at all!

    but do you want me to get affected???????????????????

    i suggest you read cumment 147!

    if its affecting you which I presume it is so ill stopppppppppp………………..!

    there is a lot i can write butta we 2 are not the only one who are reading this- a fact which i never lost track off

    you have made any interpretations which are not true!

    butta i now reserve the right to engage in any debate or not!

    so if its politics, sports, please dont assume ill oblige!

  280. #280 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 7:59 PM

    well weshee bhai

    aham log kyani sahab sey milne arahe hain

  281. #281 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 8:03 PM

    general kiyani doesnt attend dinner by zardari

  282. #282 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 8:08 PM

    jk you say in cumment 271

    Donkey and Ass were same butt, now ass is butt and butt is ass.

    i say Ijazz and butt were the same butt, butta now ijaz is butt and butt is ijaz

  283. #283 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 9:59 PM

    Shoaib Akhtar hit the headlines of all the newspapers around the world, when he was confirmed +ive for nandrolone (anabolic steroid) and these 4, rather 6 athletes have taken banned steroids such as, stanozolol and methandienone and have been banned for a year, koi aisi khaas baat nahee because they are not so famous.

  284. #284 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 10:04 PM

    An known car was set fire in Karachi in the same area where IK is going to hold his Jalsa. is this a warning from some political parties or, is it just a normal routine incident that happens in Karachi almost every other day?

    Zen, zara apna Roshan Daan khol ker thori roshni tou dalo about IK giving Javed Hashmi the party chairmanship. I mean what does the party Chairman do? I know what the PCB Chairmen do but, no clue about what the party chairman does?

  285. #285 by Zen on December 24, 2011 - 10:12 PM


    he wants to become something like altaf hussein. Yes there r chances of some maar dhaadr tomorrow butta lets all hope nothing bad happens.

    BTW,many more politicians and celebrites r joining pti

  286. #286 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 24, 2011 - 10:28 PM

    A goose that lays golden eggs…….. naam tou batao iss goose ya Ghoons ka?

    hint……….. golden words are naat repeated!

  287. #287 by NewGuy on December 24, 2011 - 11:02 PM


    I have followed so many of your comments regarding Tendulkar, I have not responded anything to it, because I feel it is futile since the nature of your comments against Tendulkar is not constructive, rather it sounds based on deep rooted bias, which cannot be changed.

    Khansahab has made the best assessment that I have read about Tendulkar, better that even the so called professional writers. I never felt he is a fan, his comments have been very objective, I have never seen him defending like some blind supporters.

    Anyhow, I just wanted to add this long standing observation I have from reading your comments that you seem to dislike Tendulkar for three reasons in my mind, (a) his overly boisterous fan base (b) just because he is Indian (c) his records. You may deny them, which I expect you to, but I don’t believe you make a genuine case against Tendulkar.

    BTW, Dravid has a poor 2 year period in which he averaged around 35, this was before the WI tour and the team carried him. Same goes for Laxman and Sehwag as well. All of them have been through bad patches. So your opinion that Dravid or Laxman would have been out of the team is not correct. Also Tendulkar’s performance in England is not worth axing. If any team treats their players like that then they will not develop or retain good players.

  288. #288 by wehshee on December 24, 2011 - 11:42 PM

    Zen, PMLQ meeting COAS does nothing politically because PMLQ itself should be packing up and leaving the political scene for their own good. Since COAS is done meeting with both the PM and President, message was sent through Chaudhary’s, and most of the message could not be understood by COAS, the reason we all know. I think Chaudhary’s were just there to do what they do best .. “rotee shotee kha ke jaana”

    Furthermore, last night rumors are saying that the following might joing PTI tomorrow:

    1. Waseem Akram (Might be following Abrar Ul Haq’s footsteps)
    2. Fatima Bhutto
    3. Nabeel Gabol
    4. Ishaq Daar

    If there are any bad moments in tomorrow’s event, it will be a morale booster for PTI and also will help to gain sympathy for Imran Khan in the region.

  289. #289 by Sentinel Prime on December 25, 2011 - 12:38 AM


    That is my point. We all agree that SRT is not amongst the best Test players. So, why do you say his “reputation and performance over a period of time” matter?

    You treat Misbah’s case as the same, but how did his previous reputation or performance over any time convince you that he could win the Mohali match?

    The reason I mention him being the 2nd best Indian batsmen in the England series is because you or maybe Munir sahab have been claiming that he was responsible for that series defeat. The fact is that 2 other batsmen who are considered better Test players performed worse than him.

    In terms of averages, you might not agree but the general consensus on this blog is that SRT’s average of 55 or 56 in Tests may be greater than, say, Dravid’s average, but it does not make him a better Test batsman. Exactly the same way Misbah’s average of 47 in Tests or 45 or whatever in ODI’s doesn’t make him greater than say Saeed Anwar. Averaging 56 does not mean you ought to average that under pressure because that is what we have argued for years on this blog, that SRT plays for his records and can’t play under pressure.

    My point is that being under pressure because of that 100th century madness, he was unable to average anywhere near his Test average. But, Dhoni who is considered to be a finisher could have chipped in and played his “average” innings a few times. Same goes for Sehwag and Laxman.

    About Sehwag, so what if he came only for 2 Tests? How does that exonerate him? His reputation is that he is a better Test batsman than SRT so he should have come with all guns blazing. Same with Laxman- if poor against seam bowling what is the point of having built this reputation of being a fighter and match winner?

    Maybe your view is slightly different from the majority of blog members here that when it comes to Tests, SRT does not play well under pressure and Sehwag, Laxman and Dravid are the go-getters.

  290. #290 by Sentinel Prime on December 25, 2011 - 12:43 AM


    Everyone can make mistakes or say something that came across differently to how they intended.

    Do you remember when I said that I tried to explain something in two or three ways but you did not understand it. You later claimed that, you thought I might have said something rudely to you but you let bygones be bygones. I then clarified to you that I did not mean it in such a manner because on paper it did seem a little rude.

    So, in the way same way on paper your three recent comments that I love Tendulkar, or that I should understand something because it is not that difficult, or that you admire SRT but are not a fan, these three comments can be read on various levels and I have explained how they came across to me (unwarranted and childish).

    I would invite you to clarify (not apologise) this please, if possible because in the alternative I have no choice but to consider these as childish and distasteful comments.

  291. #291 by Sentinel Prime on December 25, 2011 - 12:48 AM


    The car incineration incident in KHI seems to be merely an accident according to the police.

    I may be wrong but I don’t think MQM will try and sabotage this rally. I think they are supporting Imran behind the scenes. They know that under the circumstances Imran is probably the best bet to get rid of corruption and feudalism which is ironically the very reasons MQM came into being in the first place.

  292. #292 by Sentinel Prime on December 25, 2011 - 12:52 AM

    According to Secretary General of PTI KHI Jalsa will be the biggest rally in the history of Pakistan.

  293. #293 by Sentinel Prime on December 25, 2011 - 1:00 AM

    Cricinfo have suggested the following line up for Australia:

    Australia: 1 David Warner, 2 Ed Cowan, 3 Shaun Marsh, 4 Ricky Ponting, 5 Michael Clarke (capt), 6 Michael Hussey, 7 Brad Haddin (wk), 8 Peter Siddle, 9 James Pattinson, 10 Nathan Lyon, 11 Ben Hilfenhaus.

    This is similar to mine with the only difference that an extra batsman is being played instead of Christian.

    So Australia have shown they want to focus on batting a little more. Clarke and Hussey will probably assist the bowling at some point.

    I would still have preferred with going with Christian to assist in both batting and bowling.

    The likely Indian team is:

    India(probable): 1 Virender Sehwag, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Rahul Dravid, 4 Sashin Tendulkar, 5 Virat Kohli, 6 VVS Laxman, 7 MS Dhoni (capt, wk), 8 R Ashwin, 9 Zaheer Khan, 10 Ishant Sharma, 11 Umesh Yadav.

    No surprises there at all. If Ashwin doesn’t work I think Ojha will replace him without problems in the 2nd Test.

  294. #294 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 5:24 AM


    I don’t want to get in to this Tendulkar debate because it is futile, just to add to your comment about his performance which was not so good in England, he too had a lean patch when he was suffering from Tennis Elbow, if I am not mistaken that period lasted for almost 2 years and it was that time a lot of people were asking him to retire. But, then he changed his style and came back scoring once again. The point is:

    1. No one is anywhere near his records.
    2. No one, in my opinion can break his records at least in this decade i.e., up to 2020.
    3. No one can change the fact that he is Indian, he will remain an Indian because, he is an Indian.
    4. Anyone can also say that you approve or, appreciate khansahab’s support for Tendulkar because, you are Indian.
    5. khansahab’s views are indeed very constructive, I know him since a long time and we have agreed on many things.
    6. I have my own views and sometimes I totally disagree with khansahab’s views and, he also does the same with me.
    7. I also believe that argument for the sake of argument is not good but, to have difference of opinion is good.

    If Zen, Sagaat and I have a different opinion about Tendulkar i.e., in comparing him with other players it is just an opinion. We are not going to stamp an authoritarian seal that whatever we say is Right and others are Wrong. After all Munir is on Misbah’s side and he won’t change his mind because, he sees things from a different perspective than ours.

    Anyways, Merry Christmas, it is past midnight here and it is White Christmas and it is -17C outside. But, the good thing is tomorrow during the day it will be zero degrees Celsius and night will be -9C, so not too bad.

  295. #295 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 5:32 AM

    IMRAN KHAN please don’t let WASIM AKRAM join PTI, he is a known corrupt player and in fact he is the father of all the gambling and match fixing, and he perpetually lives in India like a beggar and he has no loyalties for Pakistan, he loves MONEY and fame and that he is getting in India, so let him be there. Don’t ruin the image of your party by including this corrupt opportunist in to your party. He is seeing this as an opportunity assuming that if Imran Khan comes into power he might get the Chairmanship of the PCB or some very important post owing to his camaraderie from the cricket era.

    It would be a million times better to ask Javed Miandad to join PTI and he will be an asset in mobilizing support for PTI in Karachi.

  296. #296 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 8:12 AM



    Every discussion about Tendulkar starts whenever someone says something and I respond.

    I don’t instigate discussions about him.

    When you make comments like,

    “You love Tendulkar”

    “Try and understand- it is not difficult”

    “I admire but I am no fan (meaning that, you are telling me that I am a fan and my opinions are so because of my fanaticism, as if your opinions are due to your impartialiry or wisdom, or whatever)”…..

    Such comments show immaturity and ego.

    I am just saying the above because you have spoken about childishness and ego being involved in these debates. But, if you use such language or try to respond to someone’s point by belittling someone, please be prepared to receive a response.

    this cumment came here on 24 dec at 628 pm, its a charge sheet where you accuse me of this,this………….

    and then

    25 dec 1243 am , i am issued a showcause notice by your highness


    Everyone can make mistakes or say something that came across differently to how they intended.

    Do you remember when I said that I tried to explain something in two or three ways but you did not understand it. You later claimed that, you thought I might have said something rudely to you but you let bygones be bygones. I then clarified to you that I did not mean it in such a manner because on paper it did seem a little rude.

    So, in the way same way on paper your three recent comments that I love Tendulkar, or that I should understand something because it is not that difficult, or that you admire SRT but are not a fan, these three comments can be read on various levels and I have explained how they came across to me (unwarranted and childish).

    I would invite you to clarify (not apologise) this please, if possible because in the alternative I have no choice but to consider these as childish and distasteful comments.

    after a 6hr gap this came. read it carefully and judge for yourself wether grounds for clariification exist or its a closed manner?

    ks you have spoken and your first cumment accusses me . you should have asked for clariifcation first.

    you say that on one matter i said bygones are bygones, why did i say that?

    perhaps its very easy to pollute a relationship built over months of interaction and mutual respect. so one remark shouldnt spoil it.

    you know you said ” Iam wasting my time………….”

    you were chatting with me and it was 2am here. i was working and giving you company

    i could have dragged it on but i know in interactions such things happen.

    anyway, you threatened me by saying ” be prepared for a response….”

    chchchch……….. man i inquired about your absence umpteen times

    if my views about a cricketer hurt you, simply say that!

    either you explain to me why you are asking for clarification after accusing me

    or just forget all this happened!

    im comfortable either way butta if you dont, then i dont have servile nature

    think with a cool head, you are treading into unchartered teritory

    i repeat im going to be very thoughtful about discussion with you, you dont like criticsm of certain people

    btw, if someone says you love a player, thats not gayish or a crime

    you said sort of i love veena, i didnt raise an eyebrow

    you said we (me, jk) love her, so we support her

    anyway, its up to you

    just forget the whole thing or maintain status quo

    to me its a bygone!

  297. #297 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 8:17 AM


    thank you for responding about tendulkar on my behalf

    i disagree ks has analysed him perfectly.

    yesterday he admitted he’s not a prolific test player!

    and im amazed people didint took notice of that

    yes its true we all have opinions and everybody has one 😉

  298. #298 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 8:37 AM

    BTW ks did u read cumment 147

    where I overclarified about an issue

    so its not that i dont understand where clarification is required or not

    butta again its disappointing to note that you portray me as immature……

    yet you never mention this incident as it shows my urge to clarify misunderstandings

    BTW, discussions are about performers. please dont take a phrase and present it as offensive

    everybody says its simple- try to understand even you

    infact you said im wasting my time

    if i say i admire but im not a fan so thats true. how come it was offensive

    tomoorrow if i say tendulkar is pathetic, you can interpret that im considering your choice as pathetic and that you cant differentiate btw quality performers etc.. and on this pretext make it seem offensive and ask for clariifcation

    doesnt jaweyd say this to munir you dont understand, simple si baat hae

    bhai agar ye baat hae to baksho bhi billi chooha landura hi bhalla

    aap se debate na hi karna behter hae

    the 3 lines u raise are nothing unusual

    you dont have a divine right to interpret people’s statements according to your definition and then assume your interprtation is divine and unchallengable

    i mean you are the victim, you are the advocate and you are the judge

    didnt you tell me that my reasons for criiicsing tendulkar are

    in comment 253 you say

    If you don’t tell me when I said that, I will assume you are making things up because you don’t have any good points to make.

    isnt this tantamount to being offensive. you don t have things, you are making things up.

    ks when you have an argument, its better not to be a judge

    anyway, i think its better this topic is closed

  299. #299 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 8:57 AM

    you can wathc IK jalsa here

  300. #300 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 9:02 AM


    why not waseem chakram

    he has other corrupt people too in his party

    i dont think he should refuse anyone

    see there are fans of chakram, they may take it wrongly

  301. #301 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 9:27 AM


    ur lovebird wants to resign butta gillani says no

    aashiq awan has tendered her resignation buuta gillani doenst accept it

  302. #302 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 9:57 AM


    KS says tendulkar is not a prolific test plasyer

    forget the rest, for you to understand how ks defends him you have to read his debates with me, sagaat, jk

    jk says its futile to debate,. why?

    and now Im reaching the same point, its looking futile

    anyway, just answer my qusestion, since you value his assesment

    do you agree or not?

    I suggest you take a peek here and then respond

    the saga starts from cumment 205 where i talk about dravid

    then I say he would have been retired if he had performed miserably

    then ks responded by 5th highest, 2nd highest…..


    did I drag him? he should have ignored it

    why anyone else didnt got dragged

    if you go theriugh the cumments youll realise it was just my view that dravid would have been sacked and i still stick to it

    tendulkar is aplayer, anyone can criticise him. why somebody should take it to heart.

    if my analysis is nonsense, then why bother commenting over it. ignore it!

    BTW, i favored india ovr pk in wc semi, india ovr england in england and iam supproting india tomorrow

    so one third of your argument is gone

    secondly, on a previuos blog you rated don and veiv as 2 greats and I seconded you.

    you sort ot retracted buta the arrow had left !

    you guys contradict your own styatements

    butta y r consistent in the sense that y support buddhas on both sides whether its pk or india

    iam consistent that i want youngsters to be replaced in both cases asap!

    see you claim that i have an anti indian stance

    i can interpret as offensive or hostile

    butta no, whats the point of having a debate then

    even if an indo pak series takes place, ill bet india to beat pk as they are still stronger!

    i think when we run out of arguments, we seek refuge in digging for offensive remarks so as to hush up the debate!

    a very ordinary strategy mind you

    anyway, ive posed you a question!

  303. #303 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 1:31 PM


    she needs a crying shoulder

  304. #304 by NewGuy on December 25, 2011 - 2:08 PM

    Javed Khan,

    You didn’t need to respond on behalf of Zen, I think he has a mind of his own and he does post more than I can read in a day. But, today is Christmas, and although neither of us are Christians, we can still take the time out to bury our small quibbles. Merry Christmas to you too. We don’t have snow here, and it’s a warmer -1 degree C.

  305. #305 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 2:10 PM


    Calm down man, there is no need to get so flustered on a blog, I keep saying all the time that this is just a blog, yes at times we all get a wee bit emotional but for whom? These trivial uneducated, uncouth players whom we consider as our role models? If we do that, we too are naive like the masses.

    Regarding your thanks (to me) for writing those comments to NG, it is not that I took any sides, what I wrote is what I feel about a player. Sometimes when I support Shahid Afridi, a lot of people think that I have some kinda soft spot for him because we are Pathans but, no one says anything when I criticize him, in fact some did mention that my criticism on Shahid is akin to a slap on the wrist. This is, as if I am his big daddy! That idiot never cares to listen to anyone. But, there is no denial that he has talent in abundance. I have always viewed his qualities in totality, whereas people used to see it only in parts and they used to say he is batting all-rounder, aNO he is a bowling all-rounder, aNO he is just a bowler……. the point is they are only seeing it in parts.

    By virtue of his all-round abilities he is the most efficient player in the team, not just bowling and batting but, his fielding is good and his mere presence in the team perks up everyone, he brings the best out of others and Hafeez is a living example. But, it is the tendency of the masses to follow what the media thinks. I really don’t give a damn to what the media says because, I am not naive or a dolt to believe in what they say or what they write.

    About the Indian players whenever I write something in praise of Dravid, it goes unnoticed whereas, any comment against Tendulkar or Dhoni is noted and remembered. I have also said that Ganguly was the most shrewd captain of India, much smarter than Dhoni. Dhoni is simply lucky that’s it. I will see how Dhoni will perform when Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman will retire. In fact Dhoni also knows that it will be an uphill task for him and recently he has mentioned something about his long term planning that he doesn’t to play after 2013 or something like that, he wants to wait and see i.e., if everything is going well and in his favour then he will stay otherwise he has made enough money through cricket and endorsements also became famous, so he can very easily forget about cricket and enjoy the rest of his life.

  306. #306 by NewGuy on December 25, 2011 - 2:13 PM


    I have had this Tendulkar discussion with Sagaat, Khansahab, Javed Khan, Varun Suri, Pawan, and others here so many times. There is nothing new.

    All I can say is some times people are obsessed with discussing Tendulkar, more than any other cricketer living or dead, that itself tells us that not all discussions are cricketing merit based. There is an obsession with people, both on negative side and positive side.

    There are very few people who are balanced. Khansahab is very balanced. I have not seen many people who are balanced like that.

    That is not saying he or I are authorities are our words are final.

    Just my observation that you do have an obsession with Tendulkar.

    Why don’t we all bury this topic and focus on something else. After all in your opinion he is just another cricketer who should be retiring after England tour. Why waste time on such a batsman.

    Anyhow, as I said to JK, Merry Christmas, and peace to all.

  307. #307 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 2:16 PM


    if all of us post the comments/opinions you post, then a thread would last for a month 😉

    anyway, merry christmas

    PS; jk has a mind of his own .he doesnt need to be told what to do

  308. #308 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 2:17 PM

    yeah newguy

    iam agree lets move on

    butta oyu didnt answer my question 😉

    anyway, youre my distant relative 🙂

  309. #309 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 2:19 PM

    NewGuy, I had just written a long comment on that subject and our comments appeared within a space of 2 minutes, so I was not responding to your comment. Actually I have responded to Zen’s comment that I did not write it to support his views, it was a general comment that Zen, Sagaat and I, disagreed with KS and, you should know that Sagaat is not here for more than 3 months now and he used to argue with khansahab on this Tendulkar, Lara and Don subject a lot. So, it was just a reference to the past. And, I have said that everyone have their own opinion and it is fine.

    So, likewise you don’t have to tell me that I am writing on someone’s behalf, I don’t do that. I may say I agree with so and so’s view but, I don’t think I have ever written a comment on someone else’s behalf. I have written in that same comment that I agree with khansahab on so many things but, I don’t agree with him here and he doesn’t agree with me on a few things and that is fine with me. I have said that too much agreement is not needed we must always air our views without any reluctance and that is what we have been doing.

  310. #310 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 2:23 PM

    Yar, I never take these comments on the blog seriously because, aur bhee dukh hai zamanay may iss blog kay siva….. By the grace of God, I am always in a good mood and to sum up in one word, I will use this verse:

    Hujoom-e-gham meri fitrat badal nahee sakta
    Karoon mai kya meri aadat hai muskuranay ki

    NG Hujoom-e-gham means lots of troubles and worries cannot change my basic nature.

    Merry Christmas. 😀

  311. #311 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 2:24 PM


    blogging is like a love affair

    if you dont take it seriously, its not fun

    if you take it seriously, itll break your heart

    dear,the point is if all of us participate in a general way and just post a cumment or two in a general way, blog will look dull,.

    thats my assertion.

    see I canjust post my thoughts and not indulge in any debates butta I feel you guys need some entertainment 😉

    its just like the world man, all humans can or should never be the same

    anyway, I hope i conveyed my sentiments

    dekho dear, discussion hoga to mazaa hoga. if you want me to play like mishap ie block block then fine i can go into that mould!

    and i think in context of exiss…. circum…. i should 😉

  312. #312 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 2:33 PM


    you dididnt say anything abt firdaus awan

    she’s depressed.come on , console her. maybe shell join pti

  313. #313 by NewGuy on December 25, 2011 - 2:53 PM


    I am not sure what you are asking.

    I have no interest in debating this cricketer is greater than that, so on ..

    Sorry, have better things to do in life.

  314. #314 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 4:24 PM

    yeah your job is the toughest!

    you have to analyse 400 comments of intense debate and then provide your sEXPERT ASSESSMENT!

    plus your advisory service for bloggers what to write and whether to respond on other’s behalf or not is special

    cool man! impressive.

    anyway, a christmas gift for you

    india will win the series and tendulkar wil get the 100

    Heads I win, Tails I win

    well i have to give important info to javed as i just traveeled a while agooooooooooo…………

  315. #315 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 4:28 PM


    zardari most probably will resign

    ik just said the following in his speech

    ‘ i want to play a1010 match with nawz shareef. i wanted tpo play with zardari but he’s RETIRED HURT!

    if you remember ik also raised memo issue 20 days before it came out in the media

    his comments clearly indicate a gone zardari

    tsewcondly, a ppp guy sardar asif ali has joined PTI.

    Game, set ,match!

  316. #316 by Sentinel Prime on December 25, 2011 - 4:59 PM


    When you supported my stance yesterday I decided not to thank you. Firstly this was because you don’t need my gratitude because you are speaking your mind and you are not trying to butter me. Secondly, I did not want to give the impression that I might be seeking some backing on this seemingly sensitive issue.

    But, now that you have praised me twice, thank you.

    I suppose my only regret is that you can also praise my balanced psyche when we are discussing Misbah or an issue unrelated to Tendulkar 🙂

    Zen’s comments and JAK’s claim that he disagrees with me on this issue led me to some introspection and I wondered whether I seriously have a soft corner for SRT or whether I am a “fan”. I decided I am not and I only speak for him when he is unfairly targeted. Whenever he bats, I don’t root for him and it does not affect me whether he gets out on 20 or 200. I do admire his batting and if he plays well I will call a spade a spade, but I don’t hope that he scores well, or that he is in the limelight, or that he receives awards, the way I do with Afridi.

    When Afridi is playing I want him to score as many runs and take as many wickets. Same goes with players like Hafeez. I want Afridi to be in the limelight and I want him to receive MOM awards.

    The similarity is that I feel both Afridi and Tendulkar are unfairly targeted. The difference is that when one of them plays I want the player to do well whereas if the other plays I don’t care how he performs.

  317. #317 by Sentinel Prime on December 25, 2011 - 5:03 PM


    I believe that if you really want to judge the character of a man, you have to see how he behaves in a situation of adversity or conflict.

    This is my own quote and not something I have read out of a book. I don’t know whether it is wise or true, but I believe in it.

    I hope upon reflection of this you will understand why I do not want to confront you with some of the claims you have made in recent comments.

  318. #318 by Sentinel Prime on December 25, 2011 - 5:07 PM

    Massive Khan rally defies Pakistan ruling party

    KARACHI (Reuters) – Pakistan’s former cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan brought at least 100,000 people into the streets of Karachi Sunday in a massive rally that increases pressure on the civilian government and cements his standing as a political force.

    Khan, 59, is riding a wave of dissatisfaction with the government of President Asif Ali Zardari, who co-chairs the ruling Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), and is facing challenges from the military, the supreme court and political opponents after a year of cascading crises.

    Police estimated the rally had been attended by between 100,000 and 150,000 people. Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaaf (PTI), or Pakistan Movement for Justice, estimated the crowd at more than 500,000.

    Even at the lower estimate, it is among the largest political rallies held in Karachi in recent years.

    Khan, in a rousing speech punctuated with patriotic musical refrains, pledged, if elected, to curb Pakistan’s endemic corruption.

    “We need a government that changes the system and ends corruption, so we need the PTI to come to power,” Khan told the crowd. “The first thing we need to do is end corruption.”

    “I promise we will end big corruption in 90 days,” he added.

  319. #319 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 5:38 PM


    how a relationship is assesed?

    It is assesed when it undergoes a crisis

    whether it survives or it breaks determines its strength., how strong the bond was.


  320. #320 by NewGuy on December 25, 2011 - 6:14 PM


    I think it was appropriate that you did not thank me. For the reasons that you mentioned, as well as you also understand that I am praising your view because I agree with it. We humans normally tend to praise the view of others that we agree with, its just natural.

    That said, there is merit to your view. You have accepted the flaws SRT has as a batsman, you don’t defend like some blind Sachin fans against criticism that he not play under pressure. This is something I too have agreed and criticized SRt for. It is not a given that you or I have to accept this flaw. You or I could keep defending pulling out statistics to show he did play under pressure.

    This is why I give you credit, because you do accept the flaws, and you have taken comparison with Bradman out of equation. Everyone points to Bradman, but like you and others here, I too have never seen him play, not even footage of him play. We only know based on stats that he was a great. But we also know he played in only two countries. So it is fair to keep him out.

    As for Misbah, I think I have agreed that he bats slow. I will reserve my judgement after England tour. I am not too quick to jump into conclusion and either way.

  321. #321 by NewGuy on December 25, 2011 - 6:16 PM


    I think you have mistaken me for some blind India fan. I really don’t care too much if they lose or Tendulkar never get to a hundred. That does not enrich my life. I like good Cricket. If they play well and win I like to enjoy it. But if they don’t play good cricket, I will criticize them, but it is not end of world for me.

  322. #322 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 6:59 PM


    That sialkot’s mujj is shedding crocodile tears aur “nau-fazool” kay tusway baha rehi hai, she needs Gillani’s shoulder not mine. When SMQ resigned from PPP she said, SMQ nay PPP say resign ker kay apni siyasi maot ka ailaan kiya hai… (wrote his own political obituary) and what is she doing? Inviting Gillani to milk her and take away some of the burden or what else?

  323. #323 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 7:21 PM

    A relationship, how cliched and trite it may be needs time to judge and test the strengths and weaknesses, its like playing an instrument for the first time, you go leaps and bounds in the initial stages but, then it takes a long time in fine tuning it and mastering it. My dad used to give a couple of examples about relationships.

    When I was a kid, I used to complain to him about one of my older cousins who used to constantly bully me and I did not want to fight with him outta respect. When I told my dad that one day I will hit him hard and, my dad used to say, no no you should simply ignore him because he isn’t so bright and it could be the reason that he likes to pick up fight with you, but you are mashallah ‘aqalaband’ and blah, blah.

    One day my cousin tore my kite into pieces and I wanted to smash the “Charkhee” on his head but, somehow controlled myself and came to my dad straightaway and told him. My dad took the Charkhee from my hand and asked me to pull the thread out and try to break it, I didn’t get what he was trying to say or demonstrate. I pulled the thread, he let the Charkhee loose and a lot of thread came out, he said, try it again and the same thing happened again. Then again he asked me to do that, instead of letting the Charkhee loose the third time, he held it tight in his hands and when I pulled, the thread broke.

    He said, see as long as I was letting it lose the thread did not break but, the moment I held it, the thread is broken. So, the relationships are like a thread, as long as you can manage to keep that relationship it will last even if the other person wants to break it, it is not in his hands, it is in your hands. So, that was one live example he gave it to me and I can never forget it. tom also did the same and he is here because of his patience and perseverance and I think it is a good quality.

    The other example my dad used to give was an expression in Urdu and he used to say: “Sonay ko ghiss ker perkha jaata hai aur insaan kay sath buss kay usay perkha jaata hai.” I am sure you got the meaning but, for others whose Urdu is ghareeb (poor): Sometimes gold may be covered with layers of dirt or muck but when you rub it, it shines, therefore ghissna is rubbing and perkha or perakhna means judging and knowing etc. Similarly in case of humans when you live with them for long time under good and bad situations it is then you can judge them whether they are your friends or not. A friend in need is a friend indeed.

  324. #324 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 7:27 PM

    It is good to see that Imran Khan’s rally was successful in Karachi and people are calling it a Tsunami. I hope in the end it doesn’t end like a tidal wave.

    Yesterday I met a Misbah fan and he was saying, ‘Meeesba is a suck-says-fool cap-taine’ and he saw the grin on my face and asked, why? why u laffin? I said, its OK, I am not disagreeing with you, he is a suck-says-fool cap-taine. 😀 And his suck says is contagious, Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali are already following his footsteps and there will be many more like them in MianWali.

  325. #325 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 25, 2011 - 7:31 PM

    So, in about 4 hours time, there will be action at the MCG on the Boxing Day. Too bad I will be out at that time and coming home too late, I was thinking of watching it on the computer (no satellite tv) but, I am not sure if there is any live streaming from Aus? If anyone of you know, please post the link here. Thanks.

    Btw, I heard live streaming invites computer viruses?

  326. #326 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 7:50 PM

    it was just a casual observation dear

    just like people say im obsexed with tendulkar

    butta ur rite- hes a SPENT FORCE!

    btw, u have started to read my cumments

    you have higher things on your agenda

    dont waste your time!

    I havent mistaken you

    perhaps you have mistaken me

    butta continue with your policy and simply ignore my cumments, they are just to boost the numbers 😉

    boxing day is tomorrow!

  327. #327 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 7:53 PM


    heres a link

    yeah risk of virus is always there whenever you go out

    whether outdoors or on the internet 😉

    so you should take all precautions. 😀

  328. #328 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 8:02 PM

    since jk you discussed about relationships, I found this nice and posting it here

    As you think so shall you be! Since you cannot physically experience another person, you can only experience them in your mind. Conclusion: All of the other people in your life are simply thoughts in your mind. Not physical beings to you, but thoughts. Your relationships are all in how you think about the other people of your life. Your experience of all those people is only in your mind. Your feelings about your lovers come from your thoughts. For example, they may in fact behave in ways that you find offensive. However, your relationship to them when they behave offensively is not determined by their behavior, it is determined only by how you choose to relate to that behavior. Their actions are theirs, you cannot own them, you cannot be them, you can only process them in your mind.

    Wayne Dyer

  329. #329 by Zen on December 25, 2011 - 8:17 PM

  330. #330 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 2:32 AM

    Zen, your comment number 326, to whom are you addressing? why don’t you clarify it?

    On risks:

    A man on the street was threatening a group of people with a syringe and a needle in his hand laced with HIV virus and he said he will poke it into anyone who comes near him. From the crowd, a sardaji emerges from behind, apprehends the culprit and the police grabs him and takes him into custody. The media men rushed to the sardarji and said, didn’t you hear that the syringe was filled with tainted blood and you could have gotten AIDS? Sardarji replied, Sanoo AIDS nai ho sagdi, they asked why? He replied, I take precautions and I am 24 hours protected, they asked how come? I wear condom 24/7.

    Btw, I am back home now thanks for the link but, its raining, its pouring and the old man Ponting is snoring.

  331. #331 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 2:44 AM

    Array Wah, aaj tou Jemima Bhabi bhee bol pareen ……… wo bhi iss terha Allah Raju (Immi) tweet !

    Tark-e-Talukhaat pay roya na mai na tu
    Ye kya ghazab kay raat bhar soya na mai na tu

  332. #332 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 3:31 AM

    Yadev is lucky that he got 2 early wickets and that is why Dhoni is continuing him despite being so expensive. 59 runs in 10 overs is very expensive in test matches, even from ODI perspective too and most of the boundaries have been scored on his bowling. I think Dhoni must change him now, it is 116/2. Zaheer Khan has not taken a wicket but, he has restricted the OZ’s and gave only 27 runs in his 10 overs.

    So far Ponting is doing well.

  333. #333 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 3:33 AM

    Dhoni heard me, brought in Ashwin. 😀 see you don’t have to be Waqa, Wzem, Raja or any hi-profile sports writer, analyst or critic.

  334. #334 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 3:37 AM

    Ashwin bowled a maiden over, cricinfo specialist is asking, where is Ishant? The point is when two well settled batsmen are scoring easily on fast bowling, Ishant if he bowls a couple of loose deliveries thrashed for a few fours, the tempo and the momentum will be more in favour of the batsmen, whereas a spinner can control the RR because of his slower pace. If everyone can understand cricket like we do 😉 then the whole world would be a different place? Am I right? 😀

  335. #335 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 11:53 AM

    Aqib Javed likely to be appointed as bowling coach

    Lahore: Former fast bowler and a part of 1992 world cup winning squad, Aqib Javed is all set to be appointed as bowling coach of Pakistan cricket team for tour against England.

    Sources said on Monday, that the national team has felt lack of bowling coach in the last series against Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

    Mohsin Khan and Ijaz Ahmed working as main coach and fielding coach, respectively.

    The board is considering the option and it will likely to announce the decision today.

  336. #336 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 11:56 AM

    Altaf Hussain congratulates PTI for Karachi rally

    London: Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Chief Altaf Hussain has congratulated leadership and workers of Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf (PTI) on holding ‘successful’ public rally in Karachi.

    In a statement issued from MQM’s international secretariat in London, Altaf Hussain said that presentation of party programme in public gathering was much better than to make speeches based on allegations.

  337. #337 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 11:59 AM

    The India match had just started as I went to bed last night. I wondered before sleeping whether the score would be about 275/280 for 6 when I would wake up this morning.

    What a coincidence it is 277/6…………..!!!

  338. #338 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 12:03 PM

    When was Aqib Javed removed as bowling coach, for him to be reappointed again?

    Maybe he was sacked at some point recently.

    If he was sacked, what wonders has he created in these past few months for him to be appointed again?

    How did he actually help anyone’s bowling? Maybe he has helped Cheema or Junaid, but Gul lost his wicket taking ability when he worked under Aqib many years ago at the NCA.

    There was nothing ingenious that they did. Gul slackened his pace and changed his action slightly (so it doesn’t affect his back that much). Now he bowls around the early 80s mostly and if he picks up 2 wickets it’s seen as a bonus rather than the norm.

  339. #339 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 12:06 PM

    We saw this hiring and firing in Butt’s tenure. Seems like the musical chairs will continue under Ashraf’s tenure.

    In terms of appointments Ashraf will probably leave everything to the former cricketers who are working under him (same people who work under every Chairman). He is just there to manage the financial side and improve relations with other boards (which Butt ruined).

  340. #340 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 12:07 PM

    There is no role for coaches in cricket: Miandad

    Karachi: Pakistan’s former captain Javed Miandad does not believe there is any role for a coach in cricket but has insisted that a “planner” is needed to be associated with teams.

    “I don’t think there is a role for a coach in cricket but you can say a team needs a planner. Someone who can plan out strategies for each match and provide feedback to the players and motivate them,” Miandad told reporters.

    Miandad, who himself remained coach of the national team thrice, said he didn’t believe that specialist coaches for every department of the game was the solution.

    “I believe that in cricket it is eventually up to the player who he performs or delivers. No matter how much you coach or advice a player but once he is out there in the middle it is entirely up to him how he responds and performs,” he said.

    Miandad said if players required any coaching after graduating into the Pakistan team, they didn’t deserve to be playing international cricket at all.

    At this level what can you coach a player. But yes if you have a planner he can define a clear role for players and for every match,” he said.

  341. #341 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 12:14 PM

    Cowan started very defensively but is so far the best scorer. Yadav was expensive but has picked up the most wickets.

    Seems like even stevens at the end of day 1.

    A score of 350 would be competitive on this pitch. Australia clearly lack the aggression that was once associated with them but it is better to be cautious and build innings in this manner against a strong side.

    It is a good decision to bat first I think. Clarke did the right thing and a defensive captain like Misbah I am sure would have fielded first under the circumstances. If Australia can score 330 they will put some pressure on India. They should think that Gambhir has never played a Test in Australia before, that SRT, Sehwag and Laxman are out of form and that Kohli is inexperienced.

    From India’s point of view if they can restrict Australia to 325 they should be happy and make sure they can manage 400 when they bat.

  342. #342 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 12:17 PM

    Sri Lanka are struggling against SA yet again. SA have unleashed yet another quick bowler, de Lange.

    South Africa are the new Pakistan it seems when it comes to quick bowlers.

    Steyn, Morkel, Philander, Tsotsobe and now de Lange. They have the best fast bowling reserves.

    At least Dilshan seemed to strike some form.

  343. #343 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 1:00 PM

    Even before reading Miandad’s report on coaching, after reading Aaqib Javed’s appointment as bowling coach for the PK cricket team, I felt the same thing as Miandad and khansahab felt.

    khansahab has rightly pointed out that Aaqib Javed did nothing during his tenure as a bowling coach, even during his time when he was in the national team he was a mediocre bowler and he never impressed me, even though he got a hat-rick in Sharjah, most of them were LBW decisions which I always consider them a gift from the umpires to the bowlers especially when they are in the making of an hat-rick.

    What khansahab forgot to mention about Gul’s bowling is, it was not just Aaqib but, the champion bowler Waqar was also the main coach and he did nothing in improving Gul’s follies. And, that is why Miandad’s point is more valid that a coach cannot do anything but, a planner is needed. Miandad himself was a planner, schemer and a good strategist. Even Imran Khan acknowledged it many times that he used to seek Miandad’s advise and considered him as a great cricketing brain.

  344. #344 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 1:08 PM

    Yadev improved in his second spell, in the first he gave away 59 runs in 10 overs and took 2 wickets, but in the second he got one wicket but gave away only 37 runs in 10 overs. So, there is an improvement. Khan bowled well, very economical and got 2 wickets in 2 balls and both very crucial wickets i.e., of Clarke and Hussey.

    Dhoni took 3 catches which indicates that the ball is swinging and all of those 3 wickets went to the fast bowlers. India beware of the OZ’s speedsters.

    I wonder what is wrong with Sangakara? He is totally out of form. The only one time he scored was against Pakistan in the UAE and that too was a gift from the Pak bowlers and Misbah’s defensive tactics. And, SL is probably at their lowest form since the 1996 WC and it seems no one is scoring not even the prolific run making machine Jayawardene. Dilshan has proved that he will never be able to fill-in the place of Jayasuriya.

  345. #345 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 1:10 PM


    On your pointing out about Gambhir playing in Australia for the first time in test matches, I think either he will be totally flat or, he might score big, there will be no middle path for him that he will score 30 odd runs. I think, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid will score, Dhoni – may be occasionally he might show his sporadic brilliance but, imo he has lost that touch which he had 2-3 years ago.

  346. #346 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 1:43 PM

    Reporter Raju Zen kahan ho? Dekho vo ro rehi hai phir say!

    Every person reaches to his/her level of incompetence, she should have never been given the post of any minister not even the Ministry of Jamadarans. She is a highly incompetent nincompoop who not only makes her look like a fool but, even the country she represents. Zardari is such a ch2yum sulphate that he needs to be kicked out sooner than later.

  347. #347 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 1:46 PM

    I wonder why Monsieur Raymond Mullick’s name is not mentioned in this statement?

    Jis baat ka saray fasanay may zikr na tha..
    Vo baat unhe bahot na gawar guzree hai

  348. #348 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 1:49 PM

    LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) recalled Umar Akmal for three-match Test series against England, to be played in UAE in January next year.

    All-rounder Shoaib Malik was dropped from the squad in the wake of his disappointing show in recent series against Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

    Selector Muhammad Ilyas announced the 16-man team for the tour on Monday.

    Misbah ul Haq will lead the side.

    Team: Muhammad Hafeez, Taufiq Umar, Imran Farhat, Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali, Younis Khan, Misbah ul Haq, Adnan Akmal, Umar Akmal, Abdul Rehman, Saeed Ajmal, Aizaz Cheema, Junaid Khan, Umar Gul, Wahab Riaz and Muhammad Talha.

  349. #349 by NewGuy on December 26, 2011 - 2:52 PM

    A reasonable first day for India and Australia in the first test at MCG.

    I would say though the last wicket partnership of 63 runs between Haddin and Siddle should disappoint them. These things happen in today’s cricket, the lower order puts up resistance.

    India should be happy they got Clarke the man in form out for cheap. ZK bowled 20 plus overs, this is a good sign. Yadav beat the batsmen with pace and took three wickets. He went for runs when Warner was attacking, but this is fine. Ricky Ponting was hit on the helmet by Yadav in the second ball he faced, then he settled, although he was slow. One could not imagine a rookie fast bowler from India hitting Ponting on the helmet couple of years back. Now he is just a shadow of himself.

    Australia batted slow. I find it surprising Khansahab approves this slow negative batting 🙂

    This is what I said about Misbah and Pakistan, that sometimes caution pays off. Australia would have been all out by now probably if they went aggressive. Instead they prefer to put up around 350 runs and then try to get a first innings lead.

    Ed Cowen batted slower than Safique, Azhar Ali, and Ponting was slower than Misbah.

    Considering India bowling is not very strong, this is equal to Pakistan batting in recent times against most teams. I think the wicket was slow and so it is justified perhaps.

    Australia given they have home conditions advantage is in a better position, we will know the direction by end of tomorrow. If India can put up a strong batting performance then they can compete. As usual it all comes down to Indian batsmen since bowlers are only doing an OK job. Given the weak Aussie batting, SA or England would have bowled then out for 250.

  350. #350 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 4:01 PM


    Australia are playing appropriately against a team ranked higher than them.

    Pakistan play slower than them and that too against minnows.

    There is a world of a difference.

    Ponting’s strike rate was 65- that is reasonable in Tests. Misbah’s tends to be between 30 and 55 irrespective of match situation or opposition.

  351. #351 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 4:01 PM


    Please give a break to Cowan who was debuting!

  352. #352 by NewGuy on December 26, 2011 - 4:24 PM


    Ranking schmanking does not matter one bit here, we all know that, Australia in Australia is better team than India, any day. India has not won a single Test series in Australia in 74 years of trying. Best they could do was draw three series since 1947. India bowling is not very strong. ZK is just coming back from ankle surgery, he is 33. Ishant has had ankle problems. Yadav and Ashwin are rookies.

    If this series was played in India then India are stronger. Anyhow, this is a good showing by Aussie batting considering their recent performances.

  353. #353 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 4:27 PM

    Jayawerdene is now in the 10k run scorers list and also has become the 10th highest run scorer in Tests.

    Apart from Allan Border who is not compared with the greats like Viv Richards, Jayawerdene is perhaps the least deserving run scorer.

    I don’t want to dissect his stats but I don’t feel comfortable with his technique. Gets out too easily.

    Sangakkara is boring and mechanical like Kallis but he has played a huge part in providing stability to Sri Lanka.

  354. #354 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 4:28 PM


    Is Zaheer the best Indian pace bowler in Tests of all time?

    Who could be better? Kapil?

    I’ve never heard of a consistent, wicket taking Indian fast bowler and I have also heard that Kapil was overrated.

  355. #355 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 4:31 PM


    My defence of Australia’s run rate was taking into account their recent performances. Especially in the context of their collapse vs NZ in their last Test, I don’t blame them for being so cautious.

    At least they are treating Indian bowling with respect. Rightly so too because you wouldn’t expect Yadav to outperform Zaheer and Ishant at this stage of his career and neither was anyone expecting Zaheer Khan to get back into form so quickly.

  356. #356 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 4:38 PM

    2010 was the best year for Zaheer Khan in Tests and 2010 and if I am not mistaken India reached the no 1 ranking in this year.

    He took 47 wickets in 9 Tests with an average of 22 and SR of 40. If you look at the period 2000-2006 Zaheer’s strike rate was a disappointing 69 and this is why he was constantly in and out of the team. But, from 2007-2010 onwards his strike rate was 54.

    This year he has been a little off colour because of fitness issues but seems to be returning to form.

  357. #357 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 4:42 PM


    I am getting fed up of this home advantage problem.

    Meaning if Australia are in Australia they will be better, England in England are invincible and so on and forth.

    Seems like we either have a position where Australia beat the hell out of everyone anywhere, or we have this home advantage for the top 4 teams and they can’t be beaten at home.

    It makes cricket less competitive.

  358. #358 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 4:58 PM

    MQM is a reality: Shah Mehmood

    KARACHI: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Vice-Chairman Shah Mehmood Qureshi said Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) is a reality and we wanted good relations with the party, Geo News reported.

    The PTI leader was talking to media after meeting Sindhi nationalist leader Jalal mehmood Shah here today.

    ‘In Sindh we need pitch to get wickets and PTI is making one here.’ Standing beside Jalal Shah, Shah Mehmood said PTI wanted to take the nationalists along in political struggle.

    Pakistan needs dams but with consensus, Shah Mehmood said.

  359. #359 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 5:04 PM

    U Akmal is back in the Pakistan team. He received a slap on the wrists and will now probably feature in the playing XI. It will be Hafeez, Taufeeq, Azhar, Younis, Misbah, U Akmal, A Akmal, Gul, Cheema, Riaz/Rehman and Ajmal.

    In the 1st Test they might decide to use Ajmal only as specialist spinner because 3 pacers are seen to be more attacking. If they lose or can’t get England out they will drop the 3rd pacer and use Rehman.

    I don’t think they will play 5 specialist bowlers- their batting is too weak.

  360. #360 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 5:11 PM

    England named their squad 3 weeks ago, I thought it hadn’t been named:

    Batsmen: Strauss, Cook, Pietersen, Bell, Trott, Bopara, Morgan

    Bowlers: Finn, Anderson, Tremlett, Bresnan, Swann, Panesar

    All rounder: Broad

    Keepers: Prior, Davies

    I am surprised they’ve opted for Anderson who is usually a sitting duck on flat tracks.

    This team looks very strong when you compare it with Pakistan.

    Finn, Broad and Tremlett apparently bowl in the late 80s and this coupled with their fielding will ensure Pakistan are bowled out for less than 300 every innings.

    England look like winners all the way here.

  361. #361 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 6:06 PM

    khansahab the Broad is not an all-rounder. Very occasionally he has scored runs.
    Anderson has always bowled well against Pakistan so they have included him.

    I saw the PK squad in today’s newspaper and posted it here, good riddance in case of Malak. He should play his Veena now, I mean as a ball boy with Sania.

    Cowan scored very slow, until a few days ago I never heard his name. During the match when I was following the cricinfo commentary in two overs he smashed 4 fours and I thought he will score freely and fast but, may be due to to two early wickets the captain who was on the other end may have asked him to slow down or, like you have said he is making his debut, so wanted to score at least a 50 on debut.

    Asad Shafique when he played his first or second ODI he scored very fast and was impressive but, now he is just a boring player to watch like Azhar Ali.

  362. #362 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 6:13 PM


    Broad has a century and 8 fifties in Test cricket. His average is only 29, but I think Razzaq’s average is also around 28-29 in Tests.

    This year he averages 40. I think Pakistan can’t afford to take him lightly.

  363. #363 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 6:23 PM


    But, Razzaq has established himself as an all-rounder because of his ODI performance and he has scored more than 5000 runs and taken more than 260 wickets. Whereas, Broad has not even scored more than 400 runs.

    I do agree that in tests and that too very recently he has started playing better and that one century is just a fluke, like Jason Gillespie also scored a double hundred against BD and do you call him an all-rounder?

  364. #364 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 6:42 PM


    Broad will bat in the lower midde order and I feel he will perform better than a tailender.

    Gillespie had 1 century and 2 fifties from 71 Tests and Broad has 1 century and 8 fifties from 41 Tests.

    In ODI’s he hasn’t batted well and I think he bats lower down and I agree in ODI’s he is like a tailender. Very strange that he has shown capability in Tests but not in ODI’s.

  365. #365 by NewGuy on December 26, 2011 - 7:15 PM


    The Broad has had success in England while batting I think, and that too he was under no pressure to perform with bat, so he comes in and throws the bat around. Harbhajan has two Test hundreds, but does that make him a good batsman, no, he was just lucky that his hoicks and cross batted shots went to boundary.

    Sometimes when the team has lost 5-6 top order wickets, the tail performs well, this is because front line bowlers are given rest by the captain, and the captain stop setting attacking field settings.

    Stats don’t mean much, UAE is a different cuppa tea. We have to wait under the rubber meets the road to see how England will cope up.

    SL peformed better against SA today. Mahlea scored 10K runs? It is a non event anyway. There are so many with more than that, 10K runs is longer a benchmark. Besides, Mahela is uninspiring outside of sub continent.

  366. #366 by NewGuy on December 26, 2011 - 7:20 PM


    I don’t know if Zaheer is the best Indian fast bowler, there haven’t been any who had lasted with any length of time with consistency, he probably is. Srinath was good for a period of time. Especially on Indian wickets he could pick up wickets and he had pace too. But he had no aggression that a fast bowler needed. Once he stuck Ricky Ponting with a bouncer and then went to apologize, Ponting gave him a mouthful of four letter words and waved him away. No fast bowler ever apologizes for hitting a batsman, Srinath lacked the mental aspect.

    Kapil Dev, he was good when he debuted, he had pace and had a good out swinger, he was good for first 100 wickets and 1000 runs, I believe he did it 22 Tests or so, that is a good strike rate. Then he went down hill. His knees gave away and after the operation, he reduced pace and gave priority to longevity. He was mediocre after his first 150 wickets or so. But he also was good for a period.

  367. #367 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 7:26 PM


    I’ve checked Broad’s career stats and he has scored 50s against good teams mostly- South Africa, Australia, India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. His 169 was scored against a Pakistani attack consisting of Mohd Amir, Wahab Riaz and Saeed Ajmal. That was the match when Trott scored 180 odd and top scored and the team posted 450.

    2011 has been a good year for him but the problem with him before 2011 seemed to be consistency, not technique.

  368. #368 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 7:31 PM


    India generally start their overseas Test tours poorly. By that standard they have done pretty well on the 1st day of this Test. What’s your prediction?

    I was thiking about this, this morning and then some Cricinfo guy also wrote that the recent trend is, India do badly in tour matches and the 1st or 2nd day of the 1st Test and then pick themselves up.

    You think Australia are in for a surprise or can Australia also spring a surprise?

    It would have been hard to imagine a more exciting beginning to this series.

  369. #369 by NewGuy on December 26, 2011 - 10:11 PM


    This is a long tour, there are 4 Test matches, so things can pick up or fall apart for either team during the course of 4 Tests.

    India were poor starters because of poor preparation in the past, as well as injuries, this time they might have prepared better by arriving in Australia early and getting two tour matches before the first Test.

    It is only the first day, overall not a bad performance, but nothing can be said until they bat. If they fail in batting, then none of this preparation talk is going to help.

    Lets wait and see how the first innings goes for both teams.

  370. #370 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 11:01 PM

    LOL@ Srinath apologizing to Ponting and getting a mouthful of MCs BCs from him. Yeah, I agree with you about Kapil’s bowling analysis.


    My objection towards the Broad was, he is not an all-rounder, period. Baki sab theek hai, there are so many bowlers who have scored runs like Wasim’s double hundred but, he was not as consistent as Imran was so, imo he was not an all-rounder but a hitter who would come and throw his bat like newguy cited Harbhajan’s example.

  371. #371 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 11:03 PM

    Somehow, Sri Lanka managed to post a decent total of 289/7 despite Sangakara’s zero and initial setback, Samaraweera and Chandimal rescued the team from a total disaster. They may add another 40-50 runs max and that will not be too bad.

  372. #372 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 26, 2011 - 11:08 PM

    What a LOAD OF COW DUNG…. Zinda hai Bibi Zinda hai???????????????…..these guys are really mad. Now they had this candle lit ceremony to remember BB. Why do they have to do this? This is so un-Islamic and its a BIDDAT to do such things. One man was seen literally crying and wiping his tears off. Crocodile Tears!

  373. #373 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 11:38 PM


    Not just the un-Islamic act of importing a sense of life to a deceased person, but these rallies and processions cost hundreds of thousands of taxpayers’ money and for what?

    Every year we hear the same slogan,

    “BB was the mother of democracy……….Bhutto family sacrificed themselves for democracy……..for the poor man……”

    This is just emotional blackmail. They have also declared her day of death to be a public holiday.

    This drama has been carried out for too long and the uneducated masses are falling for this.

    What the Bhutto family got from politics was not alleviation of poverty for the poor man, or prosperity for Pakistan. They got millions of dollars and a life of luxury whether in Pakistan or other countries.

    LOL these dacoits could not even bring democracy despite Bhutto being “father of democracy”. Pakistan’s 2% “feudal and big businessman” class rules over 98% middle and poor class. This is not democracy. This is deception of the highest order the millions of Pakistanis have suffered due to this deception.

  374. #374 by Sentinel Prime on December 26, 2011 - 11:48 PM

    In a country like Pakistan where people like Mumtaz Qadri are heroes and where the civilian “so called democratic” rulers break all laws to get people killed, evade tax, insult the Constitution and fool the masses, what Musharraf did by ordering the Lal Masjid operation or sacking the Chief Justice, was not very harmful.

    Free media, unprecedented development and infrastructure , buoyant economy, clampdown on religious extremism, minority rights, local government, women and minorities in legislature- these are the policies that form the bedrock of democracy.

  375. #375 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 1:54 AM


    You should write “Mumtaz Qadri the assassin of Salman Tasir,” because people don’t know who this MF is? Regarding Bhutto family, I think they have brought a CURSE to Pakistan. After them are the Sharif Brothers.

    On that video where I saw a man crying and saying Zinda hai BB Zinda hai, then why the F is he crying? He should be happy that Beech is alive. And, somewhere I have either heard or read in the newspaper that Asif Ali Zardari should be respected because he is the son in law of the Great ZulafCar Ali Bhutto. WHY? Was he some kinda Peer Paighambar? He was one of the most corrupt and perverted leaders in the world and the damage he did to Pakistan, by creating hatred between the East and West Pakistan and finally the separation is irreparable. Yet people call him a Hero. If the masses are so naive then they deserve to be treated like that. They should rise up to the occasion and get rid of the feudal lords and Chaudhry, Waderas. How long are they going to be at their mercy?

    Nation to commemorate Shaheed-e-Jamhoriat today WTF>>>???????????

  376. #376 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 1:58 AM

    Australia scored Triple Nelson and Zaheer took 4 wickets eventually at a pretty decent economy rate. Yadav and Ashwin shared 3 a piece each but Ishant got nothing but, his economy rate is also good.

    Let us see how the Indian batting fares up to the OZ bowlers and we will get some idea about where the match is heading by the end of the day. I guess NewGuy should be watching it till the end. About me, I am not sure.

    Reporter Raju seems to be covering the Boxing Day events live from Karachi so he is busy I guess!

  377. #377 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 2:10 AM

    Pirdaus Assak Awe-aan has asked Christian Dior, Revlon and Gucci to design a new strategy for her to inform the public about the important achievements of the PPP government during the 3.5 years on how much they have spent on Rouge, Mascara, lipstick and other make-up items. Gillani has given her full “sport” from his side to her so that she won’t cry again in public and ruin her mascara and false eyelashes. After all PPP has an image which Zardari and Gillani with the help of Raymond Mullick has built over the years.

    This assurance from Gillani is like a school teacher telling the bullies, be careful don’t bully her or else !!!!!!!!!! han.

  378. #378 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 2:36 AM

    GAMBHIR GONE! He was shaky from the moment he arrived and it took 23 balls for him to score 3 runs and this is not a morale booster for Gambhir its more like a morale breaker start for him.


  379. #379 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 7:40 AM

    Sehwag, Tendulkar and Dravid played well and India’s run rate is better than Australia, I have no doubt that India will take a lead in the first innings with Kohli, Laxman and Dhoni still to come.

    What Pakistan should learn here especially Misbah – that if one player plays an anchor role the other must score fast – while Dravid’s RR is akin to Misbah’s but, Sehwag and Tendulkar accelerated and their individual RR is about 75 ~ 80. In fact when Dravid came in he started with a FOUR on the 3rd ball and for sometime his RR was in 90’s but then his strategy changed and, the over all strategy was more or less successful in keeping a good run rate. Tendulkar’s nervousness cost him his wicket in the last over of the day. He was clean bowled by Siddle and the funny thing is, cricinfo commentator’s first words were, IS THIS A NO BALL?

  380. #380 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 8:20 AM

    The PPP government is saying that the Memogate scandal is nothing but a hoax. The CJ of PK TUNN Chaudhary Iftekhar is asking the government, “Why was the ambassador of Pakistan to the US sought to tender his resignation, had the memo been a sheer piece of paper?”

    Baat tou sahee hai, if the memo was nothing but a piece of paper, then why was the Ambassador asked to submit his resignation or, why did the Ambassador submit his resignation just because it is a piece of paper. “kuch tou hai jis ki parda dari hai.”

    Shaoq Har Rung Raqeeb-e-Sar-o-Saaman Nikla
    Qais Tasveer Kay Parday Mein Bhi Uriyaan Nikla

  381. #381 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 11:09 AM

    Wow !!!!! Sri Lanka is firing on all 4 cylinders today. They have not only made 338 runs but also got the South African top order at a paltry total of 28/3. The highlight of the SL innings was a century by Samaraweera, which was expected and their bowlers bowled very well to get Smith, Rudolph et Kallis. It is good to see they are putting up a fight in this test match after surrendering meekly in the previous one.

  382. #382 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 11:10 AM


    Sri Lanka could not hurt Pakistan but they are dominating South Africa?

  383. #383 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 11:14 AM

    Tame tame ki baat hai khansahab

  384. #384 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 11:15 AM


    I was wondering the same thing, that Dravid anchors the chase whilst Sehwag and SRT can easily play their natural game. In the Pakistan team everyone wants to score slowly to avoid getting out.

    Dravid’s batting is not negative because there is plenty of batting to come in the form of Laxman, Kohli and Dhoni and the team needs someone to stay his ground while the other capable batsmen score.

    I am sure Dravid will accelerate once Laxman comes in to bat and we might see Laxman adopting the anchor role then.

  385. #385 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 11:20 AM

    I am sick and tired of watching news today with so many stupid, idiots idolizing BB and the Bhutto family by saying “the whole family sacrificed their lives for Pakastan, her father, brother and herself gave their lives for Pakistan. There is NO leader like BB and there will be NO leader like BB ever!”

    What actually the Bhutto family did for Pakistan? The looted, exploited and ruined the country, fooled the masses who are still mesmerized and shower praises and accolades for them to the extent of worshiping them by going to their graves and crying like as if someone of their own have just died. Bhutto was hanged 34 years ago and BB was assassinated 4 years ago and they are lamenting, crying like they just died? Its a shame that it happens only in Pakistan which is a Islamic country and they idolize these culprits and praise them. One man was saying, “Peepal should respect Asaf Ali Zardari saab bakaoz he is the son in law of ZulafCar Ali Bhutto.

    To hell with the Bhutto family people forget about them and move ahead think about your future and the future of your children and not about these thieves, crooks and robbers who have looted the country in broad day light.

  386. #386 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 11:24 AM


    Your comment number 384, only you and I or perhaps NG may understand but people like Munir would never be able to understand. In fact Munir might come back and say “See Dravid’s RR is slower than Misbah and you guys blame Misbah for slow batting.” It is always the context and the match situation that needs to be seen and considered and not that every match and every inning is played in that fashion and then every player follows the leader. This is herd mentality which is contagious and disastrous and yet most people cannot see it, bakaoz they follow the leader like a flock of sheep with blinkers on their eyes.

  387. #387 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 11:28 AM


    There are rumours that establishment does not want PPP to win next election and PPP leaders know this. So, this procession about Benazir is their last chance to get public sympathy and attract support for the next year which is very crucial in terms of Pakistan’s political situation.

    The PPP support in interior Sindh is manic and they worship Bhutto and his family because they think Bhutto family is saintly or godsent or something.

    We speak about the tribal culture of Pathans and honour killings, no doubt that is inhumane and backward. We speak about the backwardness of the Punjabi “agricultural” culture as well. But, in my opinion the most backward and shocking culture is found in interior Sindh.

    People consider their lives to be personal properties of Waderas, they touch Waderas feet, bow down before Waderas, in some cases I have heard they kiss the ground over which the Waderas’ car or jeep travels.

    That is why they are willing to do anything for them and their vote will remain PPP unless feudalism is finished.

  388. #388 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 11:35 AM

    Good performance by Dravid, Sehwag and SRT. Looks like Indian batsmen perform better in Australia than India.

    I think India can score 200 runs more and they can benefit from a lead of 100 runs which will trouble Australia.

    The million dollar question is whether India can score 250 in the 4th innings. Time appears to be no problem because there are 3 days left in this Test.

  389. #389 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 11:37 AM


    I have seen how the Hurrs behave in front of their Peshwas like, Pir Pagara, Makhdoum Amin Fahim, Ijaz Makhdoum etc. Pir Pagara is actually worshiped by his Hurrs and they are ready to give their lives for him, they give away all their money and jewelry to him. They never show their back to these people, they move backwards and then sideways but never show their backs to Pirs and Sajjada Nasheens. And, you are right about kissing the ground where they stood by saying, even the dust under their feet is Paak (clean). This is so ironic and so unfortunate that, instead of educating these people they exploit them, misuse and abuse them.

    There are those whose daughters, when they pass a certain age and no one rich and from their family does not want to marry her, they do not let her marry outside the family or of similar status, then they marry their daughters to Quran Shareef. It is so un-Islamic and so backward to even think about doing that, but they actually do that. I saw a documentary on BBC which was shown more than a decade ago. The daughters are then imprisoned in their own house and the doors and windows are locked so that they cannot go or even see outside. What a shame, what a pity. And, yet these Sindhi leaders call themselves as GREAT LEADERS?

  390. #390 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 11:40 AM


    Like I have said, 50~60 runs lead would be enough for them to put pressure on the OZ’s and I do agree with you that in the 4th innings or on the last day, we don’t know how the wicket behaves? Tendulkar’s second innings record or his average is not so good as compared with his record of 1st innings. But, you never know!

  391. #391 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 11:48 AM

    ALL depends on Amla and AB de Villiers, they have to score a century each to salvage the situation. After them who is left? May be Prince but, Boucher? He is not so consistent and reliable, so the onus is on these two to rebuild the innings. So far Amla is playing his natural game full of strokes, 5 fours in his 21.

  392. #392 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 12:10 PM


    Yeah, I think Dravid and Laxman may need to perform the anchor role in the 4th innings. The other person who might have to play a part is Dhoni.

  393. #393 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 12:16 PM

    This is why captain’s performance is so crucial. I am pretty sure the turnaround in SL’s batting and even bowling came because of Dilshan’s spirited 47, even though it’s not a great score.

    This kind of inspiration was missing in the Pakistan series.

  394. #394 by NewGuy on December 27, 2011 - 1:48 PM

    Good show by India so far, and they should not give up now, they must build on tomorrow with Dravid, Laxman, Kohli, and Dhoni to come. Nothing is certain, as Pattison bowled with lot of venom even though he only has one wicket to show, he looked dangerous. They would come back fresh tomorrow and India should be careful not to collapse.

    SRT batted brilliantly, and of course Sehwag set the tone and made the ball old. Dravid is struggling, but he is still there and that is all needed. Laxman can score quickly, Dravid needs to stay at one end and score when he gets opportunity.

    SRT scored 50 in 55 balls, while Dravid scored 50 in 137 balls, however, both were important innings. SRT took the pressure off after Sehwag dismissal by not letting Oz climb back.

  395. #395 by NewGuy on December 27, 2011 - 1:51 PM


    I did not see Tendulkar bat, I watched only when Sehwag was batting, I went to sleep at Tea time as I did want to see nervous batting from Dravid and SRT as Oz was bowling with lot of venom then. Besides it was my bed time anyway.

    Here is Cricinfo commentary for one particular shot:

    Siddle to Tendulkar, FOUR, oh gorgeous! The people in MCG have got their money’s worth for coming in today! Tendulkar plays the best cover drive you’ll ever see. Over-pitched outside off, he waltzes forward and creams it on a bent knee, and ends up with a bent elbow. The ball shoots through the covers in haste.

    I am going to look at highlights today.

  396. #396 by NewGuy on December 27, 2011 - 1:55 PM

    SL dominating SA at Durban. SA’s Durban nightmare continues. They have a poor record here, ironically this is one of the pitches with most pace and bounce and that is supposed to help SA, not an Asian team.

    Egg is on SA ex-cricketers again. Sounds like they have not learned anything still. Last year, it was Shaun Pollock who said he doesn’t see India coming back after 1st Test, and then in Durban they were bowled out for 131 in 1st innings and India went on to win. This time SL putting up a very good show. This time too some ex-SA cricketer was saying SL cannot recover, they bowling attack in like pop gun. The pop gun attack has now taken out six big guns in SA line up for cheap.

    They are showing spirit, it seems like finally they have decided forget Murali and move on.

  397. #397 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 4:01 PM


    Incidentally Durban is also heavily populated by the Desis and it may be a joke that their presence affects the performance of the visitors specially the sub-continent teams but, the truth is in Durban the tourists always play well and the home team lays eggs. Kallis and Morkel laid a pair of gold ducks and Styen is the second highest scorer from SA. And, once again it is Amla (the desi guy from Durban) scored the highest runs for the home team. Weird stats but, its true.

    The SL’s are 177 ahead with 9 wickets in hand, Dilshan exited early without “inspiring” others but, it is time for Sangakara and Jayawardene to take the lead role and if they can manage to extend the lead by 370-380 it will not be possible for SA to come back from behind to win this test match.

  398. #398 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 4:38 PM


    Yeah it seems SRT provided some good entertainment today and I was surprised he made 50 from 55 balls knowing that he has recently been out of touch.

    Maybe he feels more confident because the 100th century hullaboo has now almost vanished.

    Having said that Australia is a good hunting ground for Indian batsmen.

  399. #399 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 4:40 PM

    Sri Lanka have choked South Africa- only South Africa could have choked like this. Nothing bowler Welegedera grabbed lots of wickets.

  400. #400 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 4:44 PM


    I saw the Australian fall of wickets and India bowled very well to them. Yadav and Zaheer were very aggressive and you can see Yadav was not worrying about his economy rate. Yadav seems to be the most impressive young Indian bowler of recent times and he was regularly clocking 145 kph.

    I daresay India has a better bowling attack than Australia.

  401. #401 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 5:09 PM


    About SRT taking pressure off after the dismissal of Sehwag, I remember Sagaat used to say that in Tests SRT tends to bank on good starts provided by Sehwag. This may be true to an extent but, firstly SRT has always been an attacking batsman and his strike rate is higher than Dravid and Laxman’s. Secondly SRT was the team’s best Test batsman before Dravid, Laxman and Sehwag established themselves in Tests and he was more gutsy and less selfish then. He can score well irrespective of Sehwag’s performance but Sehwag helps every batsman by taking the pressure off.

  402. #402 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 6:58 PM

    khansahab ref. your comment #401 “he (Tendulkar) was more gutsy and less selfish then.”

    So, are you saying that, he is timid and selfish now? I mean this is what one can derive the meaning from that sentence of yours! Also, you are saying that he can score well irrespective of Sehwag’s performance but, Sehwag is the inspiration for him? 😀

  403. #403 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 7:05 PM


    I am discussing shades of grey, not black and white.

    The words used were “every batsman”, not “Tendulkar”.

  404. #404 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 7:05 PM

    de Lange took 7 wickets in the first innings and he may even take a few more in the second innings but, in case SA loses this match, I would say, it is Welegedara’s 5 wicket haul which is better than de Lange’s seven. A match winning performance, be it bowling or batting is regarded as better than the performance of the losing side’s personal achievement by an individual which could be more in terms of runs or wickets. IF Sri Lanka wins, it will be Welegedara who will cherish and savor his achievement more than de Lange.

  405. #405 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 7:06 PM

    hahahaha khansahab gotcha!!!!!

  406. #406 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 7:17 PM

    khansahab just look at this:

    Key meray qatl kay baad uss nay jafa say taoba
    Haye uss zood pashemaan ka pashemaan hona…..

    Qatil bhee tu,
    Maatam kada bhee tu,
    Chor bhee tu,
    Lutera bhee tu,
    Sher bhee tu,
    Lomree bhee tu,
    Tusway bahata hai tu,
    Ghareeb ko ullu banata hai tu.

  407. #407 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 27, 2011 - 7:31 PM

    LOL@ Benazir kay “Cuttoes”

    Ab Hijray bhee Zardari say nafrat kertay hain! 😀

  408. #408 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 7:33 PM


    I saw some of that pathetic speech. Bunch of BS.

  409. #409 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 7:49 PM


    BB key qaatilon ney Pakistan key khilaaf saazish ki. Zardari sahib ki hakoomat ki khilaafwarzi jamhooriyat key khilaaf saazish hai. Sab Zardari sahib key khilaaf saazish kar rahay hain. Bhutto khandaan ney jamhooriyat key liye qurbanian deen. Har ghar mai Bhutto rehta hai aur Bhutto aaj tak zinda hai. Ghareeb awaam key roti kaprey aur makan ki waja sey Bhutto khandaan apni jaan sey murhoom hogaye.

    Pakistan agar taraqqi yaafta mulk hai toh woh Bhutto ki jamhooriyat ki waja sey hai.

    Pakistan agar ghareeb mulk hai toh woh Bhutto key khilaaf saazishon ki waja sey hai.

  410. #410 by Sentinel Prime on December 27, 2011 - 7:57 PM


    You can say Welegedara was brillaint or you can say South Africa choked.

  411. #411 by NewGuy on December 28, 2011 - 2:16 AM

    I said earlier in comment #394 that nothing is certain and India could collapse this morning. They did exactly that.

    Always trust the Indian batsmen to collapse against some well directed fast bowling. Nothing menacing on the pitch or on the bowling side, just pitched up balls swinging away. Exactly how England got India out in 8 innings this summer.

    Aussies might have watched plenty of video footage of it. India still haven’t learned anything.

    They have conceded a valuable 51 runs lead. I don’t think India can come back. Aussies are not going to collapse to Indian bowling like they did against SA or NZ.

    Once they put up another 250 to 300 runs in 2nd innings, this match is as good as theirs.

    My prediction, Australia to win with a margin of 150 to 100 runs

  412. #412 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2011 - 4:17 AM


    Yadev came back forcefully to take 3 wickets and Australia are 81/4 at one stage they were 24/4 only Ponting and Hussey are resisting, Clarke is playing like Dhoni these days, both captains are not scoring runs. The lead is not that much at the moment just about 132 runs but, a lead of 250 will be crucial in the 4th innings but not impossible. In any case it is not a totally lost scenario for India, if they stick to the basics like Dravid did, I think India still has a chance. If they cannot make 250 runs then shame on them.

    If Ashwin can manage to score 30 odd runs what is wrong with Dhoni? Laxman also got out cheaply but, I think he will come back strongly in the second innings. Let us see.

  413. #413 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2011 - 4:19 AM


    I would say “sporadic” brilliance because, he needs to show consistency and there is no doubt that SA are the biggest chokers in the world. This time it was their complacency that lead them down.

  414. #414 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2011 - 4:25 AM


    Yar, jitni jihalat Sindh may hai utni tou Baluchistan may bhee nahee hai. Because, in Sindh they reportedly have some learned people like Bhutto family (not Zardari, he is an outsider and an outcast) GM Syed, Pirzada, Pagaras, Makhdoums etc., they are all educated people and most of them studied in the UK but, look at the way they treat the masses? They exploit them. In Baluchistan you can say the Sardars have exploited the masses, but among them, the Sardars themselves are all uncouth and uneducated rogues. Therefore, I blame these educated and so-called elite of Sindh who have deliberately kept the masses from getting basic education so that they remain their slaves. This is more sinister than the Jahils ruling the Jahils in Baluchistan.

  415. #415 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2011 - 10:05 AM

    At the end of the 3rd day Australia is leading by 230 runs and Hussey batting at 79 with only one more tail-ender sitting in the dressing room. It all depends on how Hussey can extend this lead or, how Indian bowlers get the wicket without giving away too many runs. Yadev got 4 wickets, so far he has 7 wickets in this match and Zaheer got 2 in the second innings and his tally is 6 wickets.

    I think by the end of the 4th day the result would become more obvious i.e., who will have the edge? So far the match is evenly poised.

  416. #416 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2011 - 10:09 AM

    In South Africa, Sangakara and Jayawerdene are building the lead slowly and it is only the first session of the 3rd day and they already have a lead of 214 with 8 wickets in hand. Seems like the match is out of South Africa’s reach. Because, there is a lot of time left and Sri Lanka, if they can bat all day today, they will and they can extend the lead up to 475 or so and there will be 2 more days to get the South Africans out.

  417. #417 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2011 - 10:14 AM

    As I was writing that comment, de Lange struck again and got Jayawardene for 14, so they are now 44/3 it seems like it is not easy to bat. So, I would say the lead may not be beyond 400 range, still it will be an arduous task for the South Africans.

  418. #418 by NewGuy on December 28, 2011 - 2:13 PM


    Indians came back strongly as you said, which I did not expect, since they don’t normally show this level of consistency in two innings. But they have stuck to it. I think the addition of Yadav and Ashwin, both positive bowlers have helped. Ishant bowled well too get Clarke with a very good ball. ZK was good of course.

    It all comes down now to how soon they can get the remaining two wickets. Hussey has been a pain for many teams in the past. He was out of form and fighting for his position in team, this just looks like a career reviving innings.

    If India can get them under 250, meaning another 20 runs maximum, and then chase 250, which they should, then it is good. But, there are so many IFS and BUTTS. Gambhir is looking out of touch, Kohli and Dhoni cannot be expected to do much. Kohli might, but Dhoni is a passenger with the bat. Everything depends on Dravid and Laxman. SRT and Sehwag are not great 4th innings players. But they too must step up.

    Overall good prospects for 4th day for both teams.

  419. #419 by NewGuy on December 28, 2011 - 2:14 PM

    Sangakkara scored ton to put SL in charge. Lead now close to 400. I don’t see SA chasing 400+ in two days. Probable, but is it possible?

    Very good show from SL to come back into this Test and dominate the home side.

  420. #420 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 3:02 PM

    Records of Pakistan captains In Modern Era Across All Formats of the Game as of 28/12/11:

    Misbah: Played 31 | Won 24 | Lost 2 | Drawn 5

    Afridi: Played 54 | Won 26 | Lost 27 | NR 1

    Malik: Played 56 | Won 36 | Lost 19 | Drawn 1

    Younis Khan: Played 38 | Won 14 | Lost 19 | Drawn 5

    Mohammad Yousuf: Played 17 | Won 4 | Lost 12 | Drawn 1

    Misbah’s Pakistan Cricket Team have been undefeated for 6 test series in a row. A draw against England will ensure Pakistan have had their 2nd longest undefeated test series streak as long as they have been playing test cricket, however this one under Misbah will be bigger because the man has transformed a broken team into an effective, consistent and professionally managed one without playing any tests on home either. The longest streak was in the 1980s under Imran Khan, however that team was much more talented and naturally grifted, this team makes up for it with grit, mental toughness, discipline and determination which makes the feat ever the more remarkable.

    I have a serious addiction problem with Pakistan cricket at the interest in Pakistan Cricket has quadrupled since Misbah has become captain for all formats..I always wanted him to be captain because he was a natural born leader and he had won so many titles at domestic level.. he is regarded by senior experts and journalists as Pakistan’s most stable, successful and intellectual captain since Imran Khan both technically, statistically and the impact they have made in changing Pakistan Cricket and with his own dependable performances which have been remarkable…he is the sort of leader you find once in a generation.. it’s a really well managed period in Pakistan Cricket history and he is taking the team from strength to strength….

    The man who restored Pakistan Cricket’s image in its darkest hour. Misbah ul Haq – The Unsung Hero of Pakistan Cricket…

    The saviour of Pakistan Cricket after the spot fixing scandal, mysterious disappearance of a wicket keeper, unfavourable match outcomes previously & in an age of international cricket isolation. We thank Misbah for restoring direction, credibility, integrity, guidance, performance, stability & respect through his stature, captaincy & mind blowing personal contributions ever since the successful drawn test series with South Africa in the UAE. Salute the MBA batting master! A man the whole nation should get behind & be proud of. May the experienced campaigner & solid rock wall from Mianwali keep producing the desired goods for Pakistan Cricket.

    On top of all of this he has an excellent domestic record as skipper and therefore has tons of experience & knowledge in the field so much to the extent that he was named skipper of the test team when he wasn’t even in the team previously. He is a natural born leader of men & good role model as a player and person. He also has an “eye” for talent & indentifying attributes along with requirements. He recommended Saeed Ajmal for national selection when he was vice captain of the 2008 Asia cup team when the team did not have a front line specialist spinner. Now look how far Ajmal has progressed & gone as a player for Pakistan. Without Misbah’s persuasion and recommendation it is unlikely he would have represented Pakistan. Many other players have also expressed great gratitude and appreciation towards Misbah for advancing their careers and providing them with the necessary guidance & confidence to raise their game.

    Semi Final What?

    Today I watched the extended highlights of the Mohali semi final. I can now clearly see Misbah was the only Pakistan batsmen who did not sink under the pressure & actually put a price on his wicket. When he was still at the crease during the batting powerplay the Indians looked worried & concerned. You could see it at the back of their minds and on their faces. They genuinely feared him because he had his eye in & had mastered the bowlers & conditions. The over before the BPP Wahab Riaz played out 4 dot balls swinging and then got out on the 5th ball when the equation was 62 needed from 6 overs with 3 wickets in hand but after that it became 61 required from 5 overs and Misbah was left with just 2 wickets. Misbah was instructing Wahab Riaz not to back away & look for room but Wahab was not listening & wasted a crucial over. Also YK played an atrocious innings. Not only did he go at a slow rate, but instead of setting up the chase like a proper solid top class anchor role batsmen by preserving wickets in hand & keeping one end closed, he threw his wicket away & played an uncharacteristic shot. If you hear Ravi on commentary before the drinks break, he was saying if Umar Akmal & Misbah stay at the crease till the 40th over and just go along at a steady rate till then Pakistan can seriously challenge this target by having at least 5 or 6 wickets in hand and chasing under 10 an over which is not that hard of a challenge in modern day cricket with the introduction of T20 in the last 10 overs especially with the batting powerplay still available. However, by the 40th over Misbah was still there whereas Umar Akmal & both Razzaq were back in the pavilion playing down the wrong line. Due to Misbah’s quite easy going personality they like to shed the blame for the loss on him. How funny! He actually looked Pakistan’s best batsmen on show not only in this match but throughout the tournament. He was watchful, measured, demonstrated a commanding structure at the wicket & well calculated but others around him could not resist their instincts and could not respond to the scoreboard pressure and play with a focussed and clear mind. At least he stayed at the wicket, played to a plan, had a thought process in mind, tried to set a platform, fought hard right to the end, held the innings together & top scored for the team not only in this game but throughout the tournament and it was a successful tournament as Pakistan had the 2nd highest winning % and topped the Group A table so he deserves credit for the success in the first place as he was a key part of it as the above stat reflects. Anyway, if you are still using the one match semi final excuse for being against him at least he was not one of the players who shamefully got out cheaply against the Irish dibbly dobblers in the 2007 Caribbean World Cup disaster. At least he was not one of the players who were involved in the 5-0 whitewash humiliation against Australia (YK+Yousuf). At least with him we managed to reach the semi finals in the first place & had a respectable and successful campaign when the odds were against the team from the beginning.

    Quotes on Misbah

    “He has a statesman like demeanour. He has the best cricketing brain and intellect in the country. He has a rare quality which so many Pakistani captains have lacked with that he handles adversity analytically and not emotionally. He is a clear winner; note his outstanding domestic record as captain. A very suitable candidate to repair the damage Ijaz Butt and some players have done with the international cricketing community. Ideally he should have been appointed captain 6 years ago” : Geoff Lawson in October 2010

    “Youngsters are benefiting from Misbah’s professional approach”: Mohammad Akram September 2011

    “Misbah is very wise and is handling things very well”: Wasim Akram (December 2011)

    “Misbah deserves credit for the recent success of the team”: Basit Ali (October 2011)

    “Brace yourself. Barring injury or something drastic between now and the end of the England tour Misbah would have led in 15 tests straight. That is a record only bettered by Waqar and Inzamam as long as the days of Imran and Miandad. How would he have managed this period of unimaginable stability? I’m still unsure and how would he have managed it to the extent that no one thought was possible” – Osman Samiuddin. (November 2011)

    “He has one of the best techniques in the world when it comes to defending watchfully and tightly prodding forward against spinners with bad pads around”: Waqar Younis (November 2011)

    Maravan Atapattu: “Best Pakistan team since the team with the 2 Ws” (November 2011, when Misbah was captain)

    “This is the best Pakistan team I have played in” – Younis Khan (November 2010)

    “Misbah saved Pakistan cricket, Pakistan’s most naturally gifted captain since Imran Khan” – Saifur Umair from Express Tribune

    “There is calmness and brightness when Misbah is at the crease”: Ramiz Raja

    “Misbah is Pakistan’s best player and he should be batting in the top 4”: Imran Khan

    “Misbah deserves the credit for uniting this broken team”: Aamir Sohail (March 2011)

    “The Misbah question is why there is a question? Pakistan undefeated in a test series since the shameful tour of England. Away wins against New Zealand and Zimbabwe, draws against South Africa and West Indies. And a ‘home’ success against Sri Lanka. A sequence of results which exceeds expectations. As a captain Misbah has the 2nd highest average by a captain after Don Bradman (minimum qualifications of 10 tests). Why the murmurings of discontent” – Kamran Abbasi (November 2011)

    “He is calm, disciplined and calculated” – Waqar Younis (November 2010)

    “Misbah should be appointed test captain” – Ramiz Raja (October 2010)

    “Misbah is an educated person and has the respect of the team” – Younis Khan (December 2011)

    “Misbah should captain Pakistan in the World Cup” – Abdul Qadir (pre 2011 CWC)

    Rameez pointed out that like him, Misbah had done his MBA and given a new lease of life to his career at the age of 33, when most contemplate retirement.
    “I admire that person who is respected in the dressing room. I don’t bother about what he does off the field in his spare time. But at an age (33) when most people think about retiring, Misbah has shown strength of character by excelling at the top level and surprised everyone with his performances,” Rameez said. (2008)

    “I have to give full credit to Misbah as he has stabilised the team and leads from the front. His performance is also outstanding. He makes the boys feel comfortable and relaxed so they actually enjoy their cricket. He is mature and willing to listen. The only unfortunate thing is the age factor which is not in Misbah’s.” – Waqar Younis (2011)

    “His brain works like a computer” – Sunil Gavaskar (2007)

    “I’ve said this before, I was asked about Misbah before the [2011] World Cup on who should be captain, and back than I was quoted as saying Misbah should be captain. A lot of people went to Shahid [Afridi], said a few things, saying “Azhar said Afridi shouldn’t be captain”. I had a reason for saying it – the reporter I was talking to, I was just chatting with him like a normal person
    talks to another. What I said was “The World Cup is a big competition. Therewill be a lot of pressure on Afridi, and he is a match-winner. Afridi should just concentrate on his game. If he does concentrate on his game, he will win us matches. If he has the pressure of captaincy, then he will have the captaincy, the media pressure, handling the team and also his own performance. There will
    be so much pressure on him, and it will affect his performance.”From that point, I said Misbah should be made captain, Misbah is a very sensible individual, whereas Afridi is a little hyper. And he can’t control his emotions in the way Misbah can, which is there for all to see. ”

    “Misbah is calm and composed, tactically astute and, every now and then, willing to gamble. Not long ago, Pakistani observers were convinced he could not re-enter a middle order populated by talented newcomers. Now fans are ruing the fact that he is already 37 and won’t be around for much longer” – Saad Shafqat

  421. #421 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 3:08 PM

    Misbah is 1000 times a better captain than that coward and drama queen who is:

    A=afraid of test cricket
    F=failed batsmen
    R=repeated cheater
    I=insanely is love with media, money, fame, glamour, himself
    D=defensive captain
    I=incapable of mental application

  422. #422 by Sentinel Prime on December 28, 2011 - 3:11 PM


    Welcome back. I see you are in form and aggressive on your return unlike your idol Misbah 😉

  423. #423 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 3:13 PM

    Munir, you were once saying that Shehzad was just in the team because of Afridi. You are totally correct. Shehzad in fact had blamed his exclusion due to his “closeness” with Shahid Afridi because as soon as Afridi was removed from captaincy he was dropped from the squad. Waqar and Inti had written about his lack of discipline and blamed him for bringing intrigues in the team in their report after the tour of West Indies where Misbah scored 76*, 43* and 62* in successful chases during the wins in the ODIs whereas Afridi only managed 2 wickets in 6 LOIs and failed to score more than 12 in any of the ODIs.

  424. #424 by NewGuy on December 28, 2011 - 3:20 PM


    Welcome to the blog. We surely need strong opinions such as yours to add color to the discussion here. As such Javed Khan, Sentinel Prime, and myself all have our strong views. Yours just add to the color.

    You have a very fresh take on Misbah’s innings in Mohali semi. In fact you have turned the table and said Misbah is the only player who looked solid towards the end. This will be debated. I hope you can defend this, and you are not someone who will fire an aimless missile then run away.

  425. #425 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 3:32 PM

    Misbah has taken the most catches by a Pakistan fielder in the last 4 years.

    Misbah has the 5th highest test average by a Pakistan batsmen of all time.

    Misbah has the 2nd highest ODI average by a Pakistan batsmen of all time.

    Misbah has the highest average by a Pakistan batsmen in T20 cricket and is their leading run getter in the format.

    Misbah was named captain of the Cricket test team of the year and also was their overseas cricketer of the year.

    Man is a champion

  426. #426 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 3:42 PM

    How far further can Misbah climb up the ladder? Only 7 captains out of 29 who have been handed the leadership have won more tests as Pakistan captain and a few them are shady characters linked with deliberately throwing matches i.e. fixing. Out of the lot, Misbah has the highest W/L of 6.0 and only Imran has a higher difference between matches won and lost by just 1 higher than Misbah.

    Out of the 7 after Imran he is the 2nd most ‘well rounded’ in terms of off field accomplishments and the ability to speak diplomatically and present a thorough professional account of his side. A series draw against England will ensure Pakistan have had their longest undefeated test series streak since the 1980s and 2nd longest ever, however with 3 consecutive test series wins one cannot rule out a 5th test series win as captain against the number 1 ranked test side either which surely will be a fitting legacy to his golden run as Pakistan captain. Ramiz Raja surely did well to recommend him for the job after the tour of England in 2010 when Pakistan required an honest,educated and experienced captain.

  427. #427 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 3:44 PM

    Where are the Misbah haters now?

    Misbah’s record as captain

    4 ODI series wins
    4 T20 series wins
    4 Test series wins
    2 drawn test series

    Lost how many? 0 series

    Undefeated after 13 series as captain

    All those people who were calling for his head and burning effigies after the WC defeat in the semi final must be regretting what they were doing, big time. Surely if Misbah can maintain such a prolific record as captain for the next 8 months or so to come, he would have marked his name as one to proudly remember in Pakistan’s cricket history for all time to come. Where is Wasim Akram now who publicly criticised Misbah’s appointment as captain? The words have come back sharply to bite him…

    We are behind you Misbah!

  428. #428 by Sentinel Prime on December 28, 2011 - 3:56 PM

    Point noted about Misbah.

    But say something about India Australia series and South Africa SL series too?

  429. #429 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 3:59 PM

    Also adding to comment #425

    Misbah was the only Pakistan player to be nominated for ICC cricketer of the year 2011

    Misbah has the highest W/L ratio by an international captain of all time with a minimum qualification of 30 internationals.

    Also, please note that Afridi did not win any ODI series as captain until Misbah was appointed vice captain. He was the ‘real’ captain of the team at the team at the WC. How can we forget his unbeaten 83 against the WC finalists in Colombo. Against proper teams averaged 43 with the ball. Minnow bashing 5 wicket hauls against Canada and Kenya are nothing to write home about for too long. New Guy, as a Pakistani I would like to apologise on behalf of all Pakistanis for Afridi’s irresponsible and thoroughly unprofessional comments about Indians being less big hearted than Pakistanis after you had beaten us in the semi final where the so called darling of the crowds could not dispatch a full toss further than the 30 yard circle and tactically was exposed with his lack of match awareness and flexible planning. I’m sure if Misbah was captain this would have never happened and Pakistan would have also gone the distance because strategically he is on a different level to previous Pakistan captains which was one of Afridi’s major downfalls as to why Pakistan could not go the distance and choked under pressure.

  430. #430 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 4:01 PM

    Instead of the whole country using this fake jokey and a tad insulting cricket jargon of “tuk tuk,” we should learn to appreciate his role and significance and use proper cricket jargon when describing his consistent and stable batting like an educated cricketing nation and a proud one.

    The qualities of the national captain as a batsmen. Areas of excellence and personal pride:

    Self belief
    Mental Toughness
    Unflappable Temperament
    Watertight defence
    Nerves of steel
    Tactical Awareness
    Range of gears
    Spirited Resilience

    Misbah is measured, watchful and perspective minded, someone who assesses situations thoroughly and studies conditions in depth. His batting can be sedate and 2nd fiddle at times; however the role he can play is a list of many:

    The role he can play is that of a:

    Anchor Sheet
    Crease Occupier
    Gritty Operator
    Finisher in LOIs
    Innings builder
    Innings holder
    Controlled Aggressor

    As a fielder:

    Top notch slip fielder
    Mid off stopper
    Bucket Hands
    Strong presence of mind
    Expertise sharer

    Some people may call it a bore fest, but cricket is traditionally renowned as long and examining sport which makes it an intriguing contest, it’s never been considered as an “entertaining” sport until T20 arrived on the scene to promote the game to the Americans and Chinese and other parts of the world. Entertainment is irrelevant; you don’t get extra runs or wickets for pleasing the crowd. The old school stylists keep the tradition flowing:

    Do you see England fans mocking Trott?
    Do you see Indian fans mocking Dravid?
    Do you see West Indies fans mocking Chanderpaul?
    But why Pakistan? Have our standards fallen this low?

  431. #431 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 4:11 PM

    Looking ahead

    Strauss vs Misbah

    Both leaders are very diplomatic, educated and experienced. They are two of the most well polished individuals in the sport with their off field achievements to complement their on – field sublime consistency and cherishing track records. These qualities will surely be useful in rejuvenating the relations between the two countries as both leaders present a thorough professional account of their side in their mannerisms, level headed quotes and ability to speak professionally with the press. Negative headlines and poor sportsmanship does not serve any healthy purpose to promote sport and both surely will be doing their level best to ensure things do not go out of bounds.

    Both captains are tactically and strategically well known for their credentials amongst their team members and both like to lead from the front and set the example. Both of them have top notch slip fielding capabilities. Both of them know how to gel and extract the best out of their teams. Both of them have test averages in the 40s and are willing workers at the crease. Both of them are in their mid to late 30s. Both have a set and well tried workable strategy they employ at the toss if they end up calling correctly. Both have that element of sedateness and classicalness in their batting approaches. Both are controversy free characters. Both are generally rated highly by pundits. Whoever performs better could turn out to be a decisive factor in the final outcome.

    I think Strauss is susceptible to spin bowling on the slow and low wickets in the UAE whereas Misbah knows the conditions better than most which will give him somewhat of an advantage to capitalise on. Moreover, some of the Pakistan bowlers have seen Strauss before whereas Misbah hasn’t played a test against England before. Strauss last played an international in August whereas Misbah has been playing all 3 formats regularly. Misbah has the height and physic to counter the tall English seamers and is pretty sound and steady against all types of spin bowling so will negotiate with Swann who will be far less threatening than his dominance in 2010 where he averaged just 12 per wicket. Strauss prefers pace on the ball and spin will be an integral part of deciding this series so the Middlesex opener will need to adapt. There might even be a temptation to give the new cherry to the Professor first up with Strauss and Cook both being left handers. Misbah will know the importance of removing Strauss early and will be doing his level best to give him some headaches in the field when he walks out to bat with his solid temperament, measured approach and firm resistance. One can expect him to outshine his counterpart.

  432. #432 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 4:17 PM

    Pakistan’s 3 leading run getters in One Day Internationals For 2011

    Hafeez: 1075 runs at 37 (3 100s and 5 50s)
    Misbah: 964 runs at 54 (9 50s)
    Umar Akmal: 785 at 41 (6 50s)

    Pakistan’s 3 leading catchers in One Day Internationals For 2011

    Misbah: 15
    Younis: 13
    Umar Akmal: 13

    Pakistan’s 3 leading wicket takers in One Day Internationals For 2011

    Shahid Afridi: 45 wickets at 21
    Saeed Ajmal: 34 wickets at 18
    Mohammad Hafeez: 32 wickets at 25

    MOM awards

    Hafeez: 6
    Shahid Afridi: 5
    Umar Akmal: 5
    Misbah: 2
    Younis Khan: 1
    Aizaz Cheema: 1
    Junaid Khan: 1
    Umar Gul: 1
    Ahmed Shehzad: 2

    MOTS Awards

    vs West Indies = Mohammad Hafeez
    vs Zimbabwe = Younis Khan
    vs Sri Lanka = Shahid Afridi
    vs Bangladesh = Umar Akmal
    WC = Shahid Afridi named in team of the tournament
    vs New Zealand = NA
    vs Ireland = NA

    Leading wicket taker by tour

    vs New Zealand = Wahab Riaz
    vs WC = Shahid Afridi
    vs West Indies = Wahab Riaz
    vs Zimbabwe = Aizaz Cheema
    vs Sri Lanka = Shahid Afridi
    vs Bangladesh = Mohammad Hafeez

    Leading batting average by tour

    vs New Zealand = Misbah
    vs WC = Misbah
    vs West Indies = Misbah
    vs Ireland = Younis Khan
    vs Zimbabwe = Mohammad Hafeez
    vs Sri Lanka = Umar Akmal
    vs Bangladesh = Misbah

    Leading run scorer by tour

    vs New Zealand = Misbah
    vs WC = Misbah
    vs West Indies = Mohammad Hafeez
    vs Ireland = Younis Khan
    vs Zimbabwe = Mohammad Hafeez
    vs Sri Lanka = Umar Akmal
    vs Bangladesh = Umar Akmal

    Misbah won 12 out of 13 matches as captain
    Afridi won 12 out of 19 matches as captain

  433. #433 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 4:18 PM


    I think India will win

    I am glad Imran Tahir is now playing for South Africa

  434. #434 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 4:28 PM


    I have been following the blog.

    After Misbah managed to draw the test series against the number 2 ranked test side when they were expected to be whitewashed you justifiably dedicated a thread to him “when a draw is a win” but at the bottom you mentioned that he will be exposed in seamer friendly conditions in New Zealand.

    However, he was the leading run getter in both tests and ODIs which Pakistan won. He did not play the T20 series which Pakistan lost. He played a key part in giving Pakistan their first test series win outside Asia in over 7 years with 3 50s in 3 innings including an unbeaten 70. In the ODIs the team were bundled out for 124 on a seaming wicket in the 1st one and yet he scored a half century. There was no mention of his unbeaten 93* from 91 balls in the ODI at Napier where he received the MOM award either. He has proven that he is not a flat track bully. Javed also mentioned after his century in the warm up prior to the test series that when the real series starts he will fail, but he certainly didn’t.

    The solid rock can shut up his critics like no one else. Long may it continue.

  435. #435 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 4:33 PM

    2011 Test Records For Team Pakistan

    MOM Awards


    MOTS Awards

    New Zealand = NA
    West Indies = Saeed Ajmal
    Zimbabwe = Hafeez
    Sri Lanka = Saeed Ajmal
    Bangladesh = Younis Khan

    Top 3 run getters

    Taufeeq: 831 runs at 46
    Younis: 765 runs at 85
    Misbah: 765 runs at 70

    Top 3 leading catchers

    Younis: 14
    Azhar Ali: 11
    Misbah: 10

    Top 3 leading wicket takers

    Ajmal with 50 in 8 tests
    Rehman with 36 in 8 tests
    Gul with 34 in 8 tests

    Most Balls Faced

    1) Taufeeq: 1876
    2) Azhar Ali: 1829
    3) Misbah: 1771

    Highest Scores

    1) Taufeeq Umar’s 236 against Sri Lanka in Abu Dhabi
    2) Younis Khan’s 200* against Bangladesh in 1st test
    3) Mohammad Hafeez’s 143 against Bangladesh in 1st test

    Most Maiden Overs Bowled

    Abdur Rehman: 116 at economy of 2.29
    Saeed Ajmal: 112 at economy of 2.44
    Umar Gul: 48 at economy of 3.03

    Leading run scorer by test series tour

    New Zealand = Misbah ul Haq
    West Indies = Misbah ul Haq
    Zimbabwe = Mohammad Hafeez
    Sri Lanka = Taufeeq Umar
    Bangladesh = Younis Khan

    Leading wicket taker by test series tour

    New Zealand = Umar Gul
    West Indies = Saeed Ajmal
    Zimbabwe = Aizaz Cheema
    Sri Lanka = Saeed Ajmal
    Bangladesh = Rehman

    Highest batting average by tour

    New Zealand = Misbah ul Haq
    West Indies = Misbah ul Haq
    Zimbabwe = Younis Khan
    Sri Lanka = Azhar Ali
    Bangladesh = Younis Khan

    Highest Partnerships

    Younis Khan and Asad Shafiq for the 4th wicket against Bangladesh in the 1st test
    Mohammad Hafeez and Azhar Ali for 2nd wicket against Zimbabwe in Bulawayo
    Mohammad Hafeez and Taufeeq Umar for 1st wicket against Bangladesh in the 1st test

    Highest Partnership Aggregates

    Taufeeq Umar and Azhar Ali with 656 at 82 ( 3 100s and 3 50s in 8 innings )
    Mohammad Hafeez and Taufeeq Umar with 587 at 32 ( 2 100s and 2 50s in 19 innings)
    Younis Khan and Misbah ul Haq with 571 at 82 ( 4 100s in 9 innings)

    Centuries Scored

    Taufeeq Umar = 3

    Mohammad Hafeez = 2

    Younis Khan = 2

    Misbah ul Haq = 1

    Azhar Ali =1

    Asad Shafiq = 1

    Most Scores of above 50

    Taufeeq Umar = 6

    Mohammad Hafeez = 4

    Azhar Ali = 8

    Younis Khan = 6

    Misbah ul Haq = 8

    Asad Shafiq = 3

    Umar Akmal = 1

    Adnan Akmal = 1

    Tanvir Ahmed = 1

  436. #436 by Sentinel Prime on December 28, 2011 - 4:36 PM


    It is difficult to judge pak performance vs sri lanka because pakistan have been gaining confidence whereas sl before yesterday appeared to be a broken team.

    I agree strauss and misbah are the most educated people in their respective teams.

    England will bowl quickly and field well, this is what will hurt pak the most because they struggle vs pace.

    I feel younis khan is finished and umar akmal probably the best batsman in the team, probably the best vs pace.

  437. #437 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 4:55 PM


    Umar Akmal has 2 50s in his last 22 test innings and was rightfully dropped although in ODIs he has been impressive with his aggression and positivity, but sometimes this results in frustration. He is precociously gifted nonetheless. Younis Khan is the number 5 ranked batsmen on the ICC test batsmen rankings ahead of SRT. Pakistan are yet to lose any of the 10 tests he has played since resurrecting his career. Younis and Misbah have set a high benchmark for fitness levels which MHK the interim coach has himself publicly acknowledged. Azhar Ali – now there is a quality batsmen. He reminds me of Michael Atherton, Gary Kirsten, Mark Richardson, Mudassar Nazar, Shoaib Mohammad, Chanderpaul, Michael Vaughan and Steve Waugh. He has the mental capacity to tough it out and absorb the pressure. He is developing extremely well under the leadership and guidance of Misbah ul Haq. Azhar Ali should be the next captain and is being considered as he is the best young batsmen in the country and has proven his worth in the ultimate format and also has experience in the field of captaincy which will come handy. Hafeez already has too much on his plate for that role. However, I have a feeling Misbah will become the 2nd Pakistan 40 year old captain to lift a WC title at the MCG in 2015 and he is the ideal package to have as a captain. SP, why do you say Misbah was wrongly awarded captaincy after Afridi had violated the player’s code of conduct after repeated warning. He was performing admirably and was already captaining well in the test arena so obviously he was the logical choice. It’s a no brainer as far as I’m concerned.

  438. #438 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 5:04 PM

    How to describe this current Pakistan test batting line up:

    mentally strong

    In order to achieve some things you have to make sacrifices. I am willing to make sacrifices of a sedate, resolute, pedestrian and circumspect scoring rate and lack of assertion for a more solid, dependable, resilient, gutsy, disciplined, sturdy and scrappy batting line up/approach. Pakistan’s average runs per wicket is high. Pakistan’s number of wickets lost in a 16 month time period is low. Pakistan’s partnership aggregate is extremely high. Pakistan’s average balls per dismissal is high. Pakistan feature in the top 3 totals as well in 2011. Pakistan batsmen scoring centuries is higher than before. The innings duration, crease occupation rate and length is significantly high which is what we have been unused to seeing and lacked almost as a major downfall.

    I back this philosophy because:

    1) It has worked results wise which is the ultimate goal, how you get there or how ugly it may be is secondary

    – we have posted 340 or more in the 1st innings 9/12 times in the first innings, declared the innings 3 times and even posted above 450 4 times in the space of 6 tests and previously we were bowled out under 100 3 times in the space of 4 tests, had just 1 century in the space of 9 tests, only posted above 300 once in 7 tests in either innings and before that we were bowled out for under 120 in 2 successive innings.

    2) Pakistan’s batsmen have been accused of way too much flamboyance, flair and unnecessary aggression as one of their majors downfalls in test cricket over the years which is why they are have been prone to spectacular batting collapses out of nowhere. There are no embarrassing dismissals and temperamental deficiencies anymore thankfully.

    3) Bowling always has been Pakistan’s forte and at least the bowlers now know their batsmen will be able to back them and not suddenly lose out of nowhere, courtesy of a sudden batting collapse and undo all their hard work.

    4) The wickets are slow and low and unresponsive to results in the UAE. One bad innings can cost you the series.

    5) Most of the batting line up are grafters, anchor sheets, crease occupiers, classical old school stylists, work horses and gritty operators and more like firm defensive founders. It’s natural for them to bat in this manner and is the way they have achieved plenty of success. It’s their strength.

  439. #439 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2011 - 6:57 PM

    Abdul, subha ka bhoola shaam ko ghar aye tou ussay bhoola nahee Misbah ka Mohasib kehtay hain.

    Seriously, you should write a book on Mibah’s mischievements I mean the way people have misjudged him, you can correct their perception and trust me your book will be more popular than Controversially Yours.

    Good luck to you in advance for becoming a Millionaire by writing and selling Misbah’s Misdemeanors. We all have misdiagnosed his Mohali Miracles and he indeed is a Savior of Pakistan cricket. And, “I am agree” with you.

  440. #440 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 28, 2011 - 7:03 PM


    Initially I thought the SL lead will NOT exceed more than 400 but, when Jayawardene got out, I thought it will be somewhere around 400 but, now they have exceeded the 400 mark, hopefully they can extend it to 450 which is not impossible. So, imo the result of the match is obvious, the writing is on the wall, loud and clear.

    And, tonight I mean by the end of the day’s play we will know the fate of the match. I have a feeling that Hussey night remain not out but, the OZ’s innings will come to an end within the first hour of the day. Then, we have to see how India will play in the next 5 hours? And, that will determine the course of the match.

  441. #441 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 28, 2011 - 7:23 PM

    These are FACTS

    Misbah has scored 18 50s in ODIs and 14 of them have come in winning causes.

    Misbah has had 13 unbeaten stays at the crease in chases in ODIs with the team winning all of them in 34 2nd innings.

    Misbah has scored 6 unbeaten 2nd innings 50s out of the 9 he has scored in the 2nd innings in matches which Pakistan have gone on to win.

    Misbah has had 9 unbeaten 40s or more in successful chases in LOIs.

    Misbah has been awarded MOM 6 times for Pakistan, 3 of them in 2011. At all levels he has had 16 MOMs.

    Misbah has featured in 62 wins out of 89 for Pakistan in ODIs or 70% wins if you do the maths.

    You might argue he has never scored a century, however he has carried the bat on 10 occasions between 50 – 100 . Michael Vaughan is regarded as an English great and he never scored an ODI century. Point is?

    In The Domestic Arena

    Triangular series win 2006 as Pakistan “A” team captain in 2006 with Sri Lanka and England participating.

    2 one day competitions triumphs as captain with Faisalabad and SGNPL.

    Pentangular Cup win 2010 scoring centuries in both the semi final and final.

    2 domestic Twenty20 final appearances as captain.

    Several FC finals as a captain and player.

    He was Pakistan’s leading run getter in the inaugural World T20 where they exceeded expectations and reached the final.

    He was Pakistan’s leading run getter in the 2011 World Cup where they reached semi finals for the first time in over a decade.

    He was Pakistan’s leading run getter in the test series against India with 2 unbeaten scores of above 150 to save the test in Kolkota and Bangalore.

    He scored 2 50s in the Asia Cup 2008 including one in a successful chase of over 300 against India when he was stand in captain.

    He averaged over 100 against a Steyn – Morkel attack in his comeback series.

    He was Pakistan’s leading run getter in the whole tour of New Zealand even after sitting out for 4 LOIs.

    On the West Indies he was Pakistan’s leading run getter in all formats merged.

    I know he is a top class batsmen and captain. He has proven himself. The statistics speak for themselves.

  442. #442 by Sentinel Prime on December 28, 2011 - 11:05 PM


    As far as breaking this code of conduct is concerned, it is nothing new in Pakistan. If the PCB Chairman and his cronies are creating groupings in the team and a player speaks out against this, is that wrong?

    Afridi spoke against the attitude of Ijaz Butt and his friend Mohd Ilyas who keeps selecting the useless Imran Farhat.

    If you are disappointed with his ball tampering act, then worse offences have taken place such as the spot fixing scandal, Shoaib Akhtar slapping Bob Woolmer, failing drug tests.

    Even Imran Khan who is considered some sort of deity in cricketing circles said he used to tamper with the ball.

    Now coming to Misbah, this blog is not the sole platform where Misbah’s negative innings in the WC SF is criticised. Misbah played very slowly and seemed to think that Afridi and Razzaq can produce the runs while he blocks. Pakistan must have needed more than 100 runs to win at that stage and resting laurels on Afridi and Razzaq, two bowling all rounders, was like avoiding responsibility.

    Anyway this has been discussed many times on hundreds of blogs and if you are still not convinced then neither of us will be able to convince the other, sadly.

    As for captaincy, due to Misbah’s alleged involvement in mutiny against Younis Khan, WC performance and general unproductive and uninspiring batting I am against his selection in the team.

    Pakistan needs good performers, not rule abiding, MBA educated yes-men who have no talent.

    Imran Khan, Inzamam, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar etc, do a huge extent all these players had attitude problems, rifts with the cricket board and dictatorial attitude but they won many matches for Pakistan.

    How many matches has Misbah won?

  443. #443 by Sentinel Prime on December 28, 2011 - 11:16 PM


    I saw some highlights today, and Dravid’s 1st innings knock was definitely shaky.

    He edged one to second slip which was either a drop or which did not carry (I couldn’t tell but it was one of either) but it was very close.

    Then he edged another one between slip and the keeper and the keeper got a hand to it, I think.

    The he got bowled, completely duped by an excellent outswinger by Hilfenhaus but it was a no ball. He didn’t know it was a no ball because he started walking off until someone signalled to him that he should go back.

    Putting things into perspective Sehwag and Tendulkar got things going for India.

  444. #444 by NewGuy on December 29, 2011 - 2:11 AM

    Australia in strong position to win the 1st Test against India at MCG

    We don’t need wait until the end of days play to know the result of this Test. Australia set 290 for India to chase, which is not possible against good pace bowling attack on a 4th day pitch, and with India’s aging batsman.

    As of now Sehwag is already gone. SRT, Dravid, Laxman all will make some runs. That will not be enough.

    I will not be following the proceedings as I know the script so well. Since India do not have a chance, I do not like to see Australian celebrations for each wicket fall.

    I will get up in the morning and check scores on Cricinfo.

    India had their moments in this Test, but I must say that could not make them into their favor, credit to Australia for pulling it back in their favor.

  445. #445 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 29, 2011 - 2:40 AM


    Not only Sehwag, Gambhir too has joined him in the dressing room and now they are 47/2 and I don’t expect Dravid to score another 50 plus and Tendulkar has very rarely scored a fifty in his second innings.

    Gambhir’s problem with outside the off stump swinging ball continues, he cannot leave it alone and I wonder why? He does exactly what Amir Churail of Pakistan used to do, both left hand batsmen and both have this urge to poke their bats on a moving away ball.

    Right now India is struggling. Sehwag’s dream was to give a flying start in the second innings so that other players can bank on his whirlwind start and achieve a 300 target. The target was 290 but, the dreams are shattering at the moment, unless this partnership changes the tide in their favour. I don’t expect from the others.

  446. #446 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 29, 2011 - 2:45 AM


    Array Bhai kahan ho reporter raju? Have you gone to Larkana to attend Zardari’s dinner?

    See our old friend Abdul Aka, so and so is here and he likes to discuss with you about your Parara, Parara Mishap. For that he has brought a latest version of Thesaurus which he has written himself and it is being used by the Uni’s of Camb. and Ox.

  447. #447 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 29, 2011 - 5:13 AM


    I was and still I am watching the match. Dravid, Laxman and Kohli went cheaply. Dhoni came in and opened his account with a SIX followed by a two and in the next over on the first ball, Tendulkar was out, trying to flash another outside the off-stump swinging ball and got a thick outside edge and Hussey said, Thank in the Gully and Siddle was over joyed.

    Then, Ashwin came in and started to throw his bat at every ball and he hit 3 fours in one over, the first was an inside edge very close to the wicket, second went past the gully, Hussey stretched but not enough, the third was from the middle of the bat. But, the way he was playing I knew he won’t make more than 30 forty runs. Dhoni slowed down and Zaheer Khan was throwing his bat at Pattinson and he hit him for a four and a six and he was out. Now it is 142/8 ……… MISSION IMPOSSIBLE.

  448. #448 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 29, 2011 - 7:11 AM


    Dhoni: “Bowlers brought us back in to the game. We were short by 50-odd runs in the first innings. Their lower order scored some runs, if we had got them earlier, we would have had 50-60 runs less to chase. We are known to be tentative starters, I think in the next game we will be slightly better. You have to give credit to the Australia bowlers for the way they bowled.” He also keeps the faith in his experienced batting line-up and says he is not worried by them failing twice here in Melbourne.

    I don’t understand why these captains use a template? And WTF is “tentative starters?” I have heard him saying this before after losing a match. Like Shoaib Malik used to say in his post match speech after losing a match, “We are still learning.” Like someone said, “Learning OK, what about delivering?” At this level you have to deliver, learning period is over, it should be done at the academy level not at international level.

  449. #449 by Sentinel Prime on December 29, 2011 - 8:36 AM

    I had said a few days ago that this tour is about Indian batting vs Australia mental strength and the latter won.

    I had also given the example of how an Australia tailender might score 30 in difficult conditions to raise the morale of the team.
    That is what Pattinson did and I am sure that this helped Australia gain the mental advantage over India.

    290 should be easy for guys like Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman to chase but it was about mental advantage.

    Tendulkar could not do a Lara yet again although as on many occasions he was the best batsman in his team.

    Laxman has had a poor year and he should be dropped if he can’t perform in the next game.

    India needs to drop these seniors piecemeal rather than all at once. I think the time has come for Laxman to say goodbye. Tendulkar should be the next person on their radar.

  450. #450 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 11:26 AM

    This is what I had written on 19/05/11 when Afridi was removed from captaincy and why I agreed with the decision:

    ‎1) Winning 1 out of his last 8 T20s as captain and that too being a dead rubber.
    2) Attacking his own players in the open media i.e. Yasir Hameed, Mohammad Irfan & Saeed Ajmal to name a few.
    3) Ditching the honour of Test Captaincy by walking out on the team after initially accepting it.
    4) Ball biting incident in Perth.
    5) Using aggressive language towards Aamir Sohail on camera.
    6) Leaking out dressing room secrets to the press.
    7) Negative selection, lack of innovation, aggression, incentive, game awareness & flexibility. Tactically & strategically he was not much good to start off with! On cricketing sense he was not the best man to lead the team by any stretch of the imagination.
    8) Losing 3 out of 6 LOI encounters against a second string West Indies side.
    9) Calling Indians less “big hearted” & giving out totally immature statements to reporters.
    10) His own personal performance with both ball & bat recently. Gone wickless for 6 out of his last 7 LO matches & has been batting like a glorified tail ender throughout.

  451. #451 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 11:35 AM

    Pakistan needed 84 from the last 10 overs with Afridi and Misbah at the wicket in the SF. Misbah asked Afridi to take the power play when Afridi then said let’s wait for a few more overs, but in the process he could not resist and brainlessly departed. Aamir Sohail and Imran Khan backed Misbah’s innings in their post match presentation analysis. He was also not batting in the top 4 and was ran out of partners. Without Misbah’s innings Pakistan would have been bowled out for 180. Misbah also mentioned that he was told to bat defensively under the instructions of Afridi and Waqar. People tend to use Misbah as a scapegoat because he is an understated and unglamorous figure. Misbah has won several matches for Pakistan and saved them from defeat on several occasions as well if you do the research. The team play as a more organised and collective force under him. Pakistanis need to get out of this unhealthy obsession where they want one individual performance to win them the match, it’s a team game after all.

  452. #452 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 11:47 AM

    Hammad Azam should take the place of Shoaib Malik and Abdul Razzaq in the ODI team.

    He was unfairly axed. I remember that crucial 36 he made in a key partnership with Misbah ul Haq in Barbados on 29th April on a wicket which was offering pace, bounce and movement as he batted with composure and responsibility to give Pakistan an unassailable 3-0 lead in their ODI tour of the Caribbean. Misbah guided and assisted him well too. Unfortunately Hammad was incorrectly given out when there was a clear inside edge, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles in this great sport.

    Abdul Razzaq should be retained for T20s.

  453. #453 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 11:49 AM

    7th February – The day Misbah will at least have one hand on the test series trophy against England

    22nd March 2012 – The day Misbah will lift the Asia Cup Trophy

    7th October 2012 – The day Misbah will lift the ICC World T20

  454. #454 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 11:55 AM


    Talking of Shoaib Akhtar’s autobiography, the Rawalpindi Express is full of praise for Misbah describing him as a “team man” in one of the chapters.

  455. #455 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 12:24 PM

    Unimaginative? Anything BUT.

    Misbah has injected a sense of solid consistency, greater professionalism, application, discipline, mental toughness, stability and pride in this unit. This brand of play may not be the most appealing but most fans would take this any day over unpredictable aggression and flair. Now, there are lesser dramas to haunt the camp time and time again. Ultimately the effectiveness is what gets the team far.

    Some of the accomplishments under his leadership:

    -Our highest ever 4th innings total.

    -Our highest 1st wicket stand in ODIs.

    -Denying the opponent a victory on a day 5 pitch on 3 occasions when we were on the back foot.

    -Bowled out New Zealand in a single session on a good batting track in all seriousness. Winning by 10 wickets inside 3 days.

    -Won 9 matches in a row as full time captain across all formats.

    -Posted 340+ 6 times in our last 11 test innings (previously it was a major struggle to even get in the 300s).

    -Managed to take 20 wickets on some of the flattest motorways you could ever wish to see such as Bulawayo and St Kitts.

    – Retained the same opening partnership for 12 consecutive tests. Continuity and stability in selection matters which has been a rarity beforehand.

    – First time since 2003 that Pakistan have won a 5 match ODI series by a 3 match margin against top 8 test nation.

    – Captained Pakistan to their most successful year in their ODI history and 2nd most successful in their test history in terms of number of wins.

    – Opened the bowling with an off spinner in a test match and played a make shift wicket keeper in T20s. Also, finally a captain who does not open the bowling with Abdul Razzaq and is willing to promote him up the order as a pinch hitter.

    – Defended totals of under 250 in ODIs in all of the 15 ODIs he has captained and also defended two totals of under 150 in T20s just from memory.

    Entertainment comes from unpredictability. Unpredictability is not necessarily a good thing; it can result in self destruction and the ability to turn winnable matches into close fought ones. Unpredictable aggression, flair, stylishness results in box office entertainment, this is important if we view it from a commercial perspective and selling the game, but as far as the team is concerned solid consistency, stability, professionalism and the ability to produce the goods over and over again through performing repetitive processes and the avoidance of complacency and that ability to maintain that sense of clinical purpose and efficiency in approach is what is going to really matter at the end of the day and in the long term. Misbah and co have really injected this in our team and I think it’s really refreshing to see Pakistan playing this brand of cricket. Effectiveness is what matters; popularity should not be an issue at least to the individuals out there and many fans

  456. #456 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 12:25 PM


    Shahid Afridi was also involved in conspiring against Younis Khan

    Forget the past

    look to the future

  457. #457 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 12:37 PM

    Coming back to comment ~455 it is not updated: in fact under Misbah’s captaincy we have posted 340 or more 12/15 times in proper innings and only lost 20 wickets in one of the 12 tests he has captained. The batting is certainly solid, dependable, settled, stable and disciplined since the likes of Farhat, Butt, Malik, Kamran, Fawad Alam have been replaced by Younis, Misbah, Shafiq, Taufeeq and Azhar Ali. Pakistan’s average first innings total in the 7 tests pre Misbah was 214 and the innings duration on average did not even last up to the 2nd new ball. Now it is way over 350 and they can bat up to 130 over mark and beyond reliably.

  458. #458 by NewGuy on December 29, 2011 - 2:37 PM

    Indians crumble to heavy defeat

    As I said couple of days back here, they eventually lost for a margin of over 100 runs. The famed batting line up batted like wimps. Not one of the big guns had the courage to stand up and believe they could chase 290 runs.

    I was not surprised and I had no expectation either since they have never chased close to 300 to win in a 4th innings in Australia, SA, or Eng. They probably never will. For all their records and feats this is a huge flaw.

    No Asian team would have fared any better either. But then you can also say current Pakistan or SL side would have scored about the same, what does it say of this famed batting line up. That are on par with Pakistan or SL when facing 300 run chase in final innings. Shame on them

    Time for Laxman, Dravid, and SRT to hang up their boots. Time for Gambhir to be questioned of his place in the team. Time for Dhoni to be questioned for his place in Test team. According to Dhoni himself he does not have great technique, then what is he doing as Test captain. His captaincy is also very defensive and negative. If everything lines up, then the team wins. I never see Dhoni pushing for a win in Test cricket.

    He is a good ODI captain and very good finisher in that format. But he is not Test material. So perhaps should start looking at young blood.

    What if young batsmen fail, no one will expect them to succeed, the oldies aren’t making any difference anyway. This is the fifth consecutive defeat overseas, 4-0 in Eng and now 1-0 in Australia.

    It is time for Indian team to wake up and smell the truth. The golden oldies are there for their retirement package. Time to show them the door. Laxman scored 1 from 22 in first innings and 1 from 14 in second. Dravid struggled in both innings, and was clean bowled three times in two innings, when you count the no ball. SRT failed again in 4th innings. Sehwag could not resist his wild swing.

    Overall, if India can keep bringing fresh bowlers every series or other, why not fresh batsmen? Why are SRT, Dravid, and Laxman automatic features in the team, despite not being able to post 300 runs total in Test test innings.

    Indian team after all their paper greatness, is still not able to win a series in Australia or SA. What is the point of playing Test cricket then?

    Too many questions and very few answers. I don’t think much will change. There is always some excuse like slow start and all that nonsense. Team needs a kick in the rear, that is all. Some hard decisions should be made, put pressure for their place in team and they will perform. Look at Ponting and Hussey, they know they will be kicked out, no matter what their reputation is, so they are performing, even if it is below par.

  459. #459 by NewGuy on December 29, 2011 - 3:55 PM

    A brilliant win for Sri Lanka in Durban

    What a great way to sign off 2011. I am sure they will party hard for the New Year. SL showed lots of guts and skill to win their first Test win in SA, against a string SA side.

  460. #460 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 29, 2011 - 5:04 PM


    You see how Australians choose their team on the basis of merit. They have no room for non-performers on under achievers, they don’t care about the past glories and past performance or, about abundant of talent but not being able to deliver. Mitchel Johnson is one example, had he been in India or, Pakistan they would have given him a license to play till he opts for retirement.

    I agree with your analysis on players performance and their retirement. Why not Rohit Sharma is given a chance? Why is Kohli always preferred over him? Just because Kohli has more 100’s than him? If you count the number of chances Rohit was given and see how much he scored and at what average it may give one an answer. Besides, I consider him to be a more gutsy player than Kohli. Dinesh Kartikh’s future is finished because of Dhoni, since India has Dhoni no one can keep the wickets, he is also a batsman and a captain. But, look at Dinesh Karthik he was like a live wire as a wicketkeeper and as a fielder too. He also scored many runs and he is younger than Laxman. Dhoni’s replacement as a test captain is under a big question mark.

    I want Dravid to play a little longer and may be Tendulkar will bounce back in the next tests and people will change their opinion but, seriously speaking he should retire gracefully once he gets his 100th `100, his second innings potential is only 30~40 runs and no more and his struggle in the 90’s is causing more problems for the team than any good.

  461. #461 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 29, 2011 - 5:04 PM

    Yes, sri lanka did play very well and deserve to win this match. You have to see how they perform in the next test?

  462. #462 by Zen on December 29, 2011 - 5:21 PM

    hi jk

    i read your SOS today!

    actually I got sick and so was my computer.

    Well I guess Im expected to engage in every debate; perhaps I should change my name from Zen to Myth buster!

    Well this new blogger is a new breed. he’s not anti mishap like ( you, me and ks). he’s not pro mishap like munir, ng. he’s unique- pro mishap and anti afridi!

    so have the two of you ran out of ammo! cant you defend a versatile cricketer like afridi!

    well first I would show how quickly people change their views and then go onto this new blogger

    It appeared to me Misbah was deliberately tapping the ball back to the bowler or to fielders, instead of trying to tap the ball around the vacant areas in the field, and there were plenty of vacant gaps in the field. I was thinking why isn’t he pushing the ball there and take easy singles, rotate strike. That’s how you bat in middle overs. It is only natural to believe then he perhaps wanted to lose the game ? may be no fixing involved here, but what about captaincy issue before WC?

    blog title: pk’s auto rickshaw crashes!
    cumment no 25, march 31 2011

    blogger: NEWGUY!

  463. #463 by Zen on December 29, 2011 - 5:24 PM

    Now the new blogger who believes Mohali wasnt Mishapo’s fault

    you know your enemies are your best judge

    thats what enemies ( in cricketing terms else they are our friends) said asfter the final

    listen to this and judge for yourself

  464. #464 by Zen on December 29, 2011 - 5:31 PM

    Well I have full faith in both of you that you can defend afridi’s credentials

    having said that, Does afridi need any defence?

    the best limtied overs cricketer playing rite now w/o any shadow of doubt

    he can virtually walk into any team in international cricket

    Can mishap enter into any team (loi) ?

    well show these stats to england, SA, ayustralia

    I dont want to mention India, they prefer him to play for Pk

    The Sun doesnty need any defence against an extinguishing Candle

    Afridi is the Sun in limited overs format

    Let mishap be sacked tomorrow, see what happens

    A little reaction and thatsa it

    see how afridi got back with a bang

    politicians, common people everybody wanted him back

    Dont defend Sun against an extinguishing candle!

    Let The blog bathe in greatness of this sunshine- Afridi the greatest odi cricketer rite now

    See You guys in 2012 when England playsd against pk

    BTW, even Newguy rite now said that pk and sl would have lost against Australia

    so precisely thats what the three of us say

    pk cant beat top notch teams

    Bye for Now !

  465. #465 by cricketfans123 on December 29, 2011 - 5:48 PM

    2011 Records in All 3 Formats Merged


    Most Runs

    Kumar Sangakkara (2267)
    Mohammad Hafeez (1885)
    Misbah ul Haq (1813)

    Most wickets

    Saeed Ajmal (89)
    Bishoo (65)
    Umar Gul (65)

    Most Catches

    Virat Kohli (31)
    Misbah ul Haq (30)
    Darren Sammy (30)

    Most 50s or above: Kumar Sangakkara with 18

    Most 100s: Bell, Cook, Dravid, Hafeez, Sangakkara, Taylor with 5 each

    Most time at the crease: Kumar Sangakkara and Misbah ul Haq were the two who faced over 3000 deliveries

    Highest averages: Cook, Misbah, Taylor were all averaging well over 50

    Highest partnership aggregates:

    Jayawardene and Sangakkara with 1499
    Dilshan and Tharanga with 1274
    Guptill and McCullum with 1166
    Misbah and Younis with 1082

    Only ones with over 1000 runs

    Most Dismissals: MSD with 74

    Most 4s: Mohammad Hafeez with 219

    Most 6s: Shane Watson with 57

    Most ducks: Bishoo with 9, for batsmen Mike Hussey with 4

    Most Test Wins: England and Pakistan with 6

    Most ODI Wins: Pakistan with 24

    Most T20 wins: England and Pakistan with 4

    Most overall wins: Pakistan with 34

    Most defeats: West Indies with 24

  466. #466 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 5:49 PM

    ^ I can’t see Shahid Afridi’s name there?

  467. #467 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 29, 2011 - 5:50 PM


    Are you Indian?

  468. #468 by Zen on December 29, 2011 - 5:52 PM

    Btw, happy new year to all my friends on legslip!

    Wish all of u and myself a happy prosperous 2012.

    God bless us all!

  469. #469 by NewGuy on December 29, 2011 - 5:54 PM


    I remember writing that comment about Misbah’s Mohali misadventure. When did I revert that? I only asked this Abdul person, this is a new take and hope he can defend it.

    I did not say he was right. That and Misbah’s Test performance are two different things. There again, I agreed he bats slowly, but we see even the greatest run getters SRT and Dravid not being able to overcome a rookie bowling attack. To give credit Aussies bowled well, but they are still inexperienced compared to the Indian oldies.

    Perhaps youth is the way to go. Perhaps Australia is right in pushing the oldies out. Like JAK said, Mitchel Johnson would have booked for life in India or Pakistan team. But in Australia he is out of team. Even Ponting and Hussey are being pushed for their place.

  470. #470 by NewGuy on December 29, 2011 - 5:59 PM


    I agree there is culture of performance based selection in India or Pakistan cricket. Laxman has failed all of England tour and he is now failed in two innings. Yet, there is not pressure, since he has scored some match winning innings against Australia in the past. So what, Ponting and Hussey have played so many match winning innings, yet, they are under pressure.

    Rohit Sharma should be included. I am not sure Kohli is Test material. His technical flaws were exposed in WI and again in this Test.

    Dhoni is a passenger in team, is he Mike Brearly to be included as just captain. His lame excuses need to called by someone. I wonder why they don’t ask him, if you were slow starters , why did you not start in England. I guess they are scared to ask him. There is a culture even among Indian media to worship whoever is in favor with establishment. In your words worship the rising sun.

    In cultures like Australia, if they don’t perform, they are out. That is why they continue to compete even with their flaws.

  471. #471 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 30, 2011 - 1:53 AM


    You have said it. There is a culture even among Indian media to worship whoever is in favor with establishment. In your words worship the rising sun.

    This is exactly what is happening in Pakistan, Ijaz Butt & his cronies i.e., including Waqar & Co. have singled out Afridi’s performance and made him look like he is the main culprit and this was done deliberately so that they can provoke Afridi and make him say or do things which is expected from him to get emotional and he was trapped the way they wanted him. And, they wanted to replace him with Misbah and succeeded.

    Now, Misbah’s luck favoured him that he has been playing and winning against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and his cheer leaders are thumping their chest and calling him a HERO who have won most matches? LOL and again a very BIG LOL for their ignorance.

    The media is also projecting Misbah as a hero and these guys have absolutely no brains to use they simply follow the bandwagon, that is why I say most people are reactive and have herd mentality. Whether it is in India, Pakistan or they live in the UK.

    Neem Hakeem khatra-e-jaan
    Neem Mullah khatra-e-Iman
    Neem Khiladi, wabaal-e-jaan

  472. #472 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 30, 2011 - 1:59 AM


    Welcome back, hopefully tumharay aur tumharay COP-MUTER kay kull purzay salamat hain?

    This is not a new blogger he is the same old abdul it is he who comes and goes and we say:

    Subha ka bhoola………. haan haan vohee ch2 wali baat hai.

    And, even today Abdul has used 2 different nicks cricketfans123 meaning, table, ceiling and exhaust fans. Also abdul aka BhBr2

  473. #473 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 30, 2011 - 2:02 AM

    Abdul, will your perception about Zen going to change if he reveals his nationality and identity? Instead of asking just a blunt question, “Are you Indian?” imo, the best way to ask this question is by revealing your own — first and then you may ask politely. Jiss terha aati hai Urdu zubaan aatay aatay ussi terha aati hai finesse aatay aatay!

  474. #474 by Sentinel Prime on December 30, 2011 - 12:49 PM

    This is what Ian Chappell said about Rahul Dravid’s form in the 1st Test:

    “Maybe it’s a case of two more bricks in the wall to fill that hole”

  475. #475 by Sentinel Prime on December 30, 2011 - 12:52 PM


    Afridi has recently clarified that he was not involved in mutiny against Younis. Misbah’s name was definitely mentioned and reportedly, even Inzamam was present on the occasion. The players involved were Yousuf, Malik, Misbah, Inzamam, Rana Naved, and a few others.

    Afridi remains good friends with Younis and he would never stab him in the back, whereas problems between Misbah and Younis had started surfacing under the latter’s captaincy.

  476. #476 by Sentinel Prime on December 30, 2011 - 12:56 PM


    Misbah’s batting is the same now that neither Afridi nor Waqar are involved in management.

    This is BS that Misbah was batting defensively on their advice. Check his strike rate since 2008 and you will know how pathetic his batting has been. In fact, have you forgotten he was dropped for poor performance?

    For the record, Afridi has said that in the SF Misbah had decided to bat slowly in the start and he said he was hoping to accelerate later.

  477. #477 by Sentinel Prime on December 30, 2011 - 12:58 PM

    LOL Abdul

    You are boasting that under Misbah Pakistan got the minnow West Indies all out on “flattest motorways”?

    In at least one match they couldn’t get Bangladesh all out, let alone West Indies.

  478. #478 by Sentinel Prime on December 30, 2011 - 1:04 PM


    Strange that the Indian team which was no 1, not long ago, now needs to revamp its batting and captaincy.

    It’s a funny game. Not long ago bowling was the only problem with this team, now bowling is the best thing about it, it seems.

  479. #479 by Sentinel Prime on December 30, 2011 - 1:10 PM


    I’ve said this before too that India needs to start dropping its senior batsmen piecemeal. If they drop them the three of them say, within a space of 12 months, it will hit India very hard.

    That is why Laxman needs to go now, and if SRT and Dravid look off colour they need to be tried for say 12 months but now the time is not to look at excuses and select them for their reputations.

    Kohli, Sharma etc need time to adjust to Test cricket. We have seen it is not easy, as is the case with Yuvraj, who was given many chances in Tests but never looked convincing.

  480. #480 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 30, 2011 - 1:54 PM


    exactly this is what I was thinking a little while ago before reading your comment on India’s ranking on no.1 test team a while ago and now no.2. What will be their rankings now after losing 5 tests in a row?

    And, this also came to my mind about the stupid ICC ranking method which I wrote sometime back and NewGuy tried to explain it to me that if you beat minnows you don’t get too many points but, if you beat a bigger team you get more points?

    My question is, Sri Lanka were beaten by Pakistan in the test series 1-0 (they could have easily beaten them 2-0, thanks to Misbah for drawing the tests) Now, Sri Lanka has beaten South Africa convincingly which is a stronger team, is their rating going to go up again?

    Because according to the ICC rankings SL and Pakistan have both played same number of matches and PK has achieved slightly more points and placed no.5 as opposed to SL no. 6. whereas, their ratings are same at 99.

    SA has played the least number of matches and India have played the most matches and they are rated number 3 and 2.

    Look at BD and Zim…… Zim is unranked while BD is ranked last whereas, Zim’s points and rating are higher than BD.

    This is strange.

  481. #481 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 30, 2011 - 2:01 PM

    I don’t understand why India, especially Dhoni and the high profile Indian writers start talking about the DRS, hotspot technology as well as about the umpiring decisions. And this happens ONLY after India losing a match or a series and why?

    Dhoni says, technology is not 100% accurate, but I was 100% for it before the England series (After 4-0 defeat he had to chew his words) and now I am not so convinced.

    On other hand he says, umpires wrong decision is a part of the game. WTF when will you be happy, satisfied and convinced? ONLY after winning a match or a series? Come on Dhoni give us a break, stop your braggadocio and your BS-ting.

  482. #482 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 30, 2011 - 2:40 PM


    That match was in one day internationals. In test matches they successfully claimed 20 wickets in both test matches against Bangladesh. I know many people in cricket circles and can categorically tell you that Afridi was definitely involved in the revolt. Remember he was also fined for rebelling against Yousuf on the field in Australia. He was crazy regarding captaincy since the post Inzamam era, the fact that he retired after being removed from captaincy and decided to go and play in lucrative domestic T20 leagues around the world rather than making himself available for national duties says it all. People who are obsessed about strike rates should stick to watching pyjama cricket and IPL. Misbah was Pakistan’s leading run getter the World Cup. He has played in 1 WC and scored 3 50s whereas Younis has played in 4 WC and only scored 2 50s and Afridi has never scored a WC 50. All the critics of Misbah are enemies of Pakistan Cricket and only embarrassing themselves as he keeps winning series after series, gaining record after record and lifting trophies after trophies. He will continue to defeat these enemies.

    Javed, the tours of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe were away from home in a tight schedule which adds weight to the argument. In fact the tour of Zimbabwe was with a second string bowling attack as well. New Zealand lost an ODI against Zimbabwe whereas West Indies lost a T20 and ODI, but Misbah whitewashed them in all 6 encounters against each of them. You can only be as good as what is put in front of you. One should also look at the manner and margin of victory. Don’t forget Bangladesh beat England at the WC and also beat New Zealand 4-0 last year in an ODI series.

  483. #483 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 30, 2011 - 2:54 PM

    Those who blame Misbah for playing safe, I much prefer this style than a reckless and unpredictable team. Winning the series is the ultimate goal and by being undefeated for a period of time you will be recognised for consistency. Emphasis with the bat should be on defence, survival and churning away gradually, that’s when Pakistan have been at their best in test cricket in terms of consistency. Imran Khan drew 26 out of 48 tests he captained after all. I’ll be over the moon if the series against England is drawn 0-0 even if they are dull draws. That would be a moral victory considering England go into the series as the favourites. I just want as few losses as possible.

    Pre Misbah: Pakistan lost 10 out of their last 15 tests

    since Misbah is captain: Pakistan lost just 1 in 12 tests and that too by a narrow margin of less than 50 runs

  484. #484 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 30, 2011 - 2:57 PM

    Awas meanwhile is still the ‘sleeping partner’

    DRC, Sweetie and Vanilla Pod have all vanished

    And so has that Kaleem chap

  485. #485 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 30, 2011 - 3:07 PM


    Check your interview page

    I have left a comment

  486. #486 by NewGuy on December 30, 2011 - 4:46 PM


    Indian bowling looks better because after England tour team management learned the lesson and rectified the problems. Harbhajan who was a flop in England was dropped, instead Ashwin who is younger and is a better bowler is given chance in WI tour, now he bowls well and also bats a bit. Zaheer who came half fit to England was sent for rehabilitation and then play in domestic matches to get fit. He now looks fit and lean, he bowled 50 overs at MCG without trouble. Umesh Yadav was selected and groomed in WI series. One can say in the bowling dept everything has gone according to plan so far. Still have to see it can maintain form and fitness through four tests. But it is an improvement and that did not happen by accident.

    By contrast, everything that failed in batting in England is still there. This is because you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. The batting revolves around the big three golden oldies who succumbed to pitched up balls swinging away in England. Australia just adopted the same strategy. Remember you and JK said Australia is doing random things when they included Hilfenhaus and not Dan Christian the all rounder, and I said Hilfy has a decent record against India. There is more to it. I think they chose him because he can swing the ball at full length balls. Australians have successfully used the same technique England did. However, Indian masters are stuck in their old ways. They refuse to learn anything new, as they think their collective 50,000 runs and gazillion centuries are enough proof they can play any attack. But the ball do not understand the difference between Rohit Sharma’s stumps and Rahul Dravid’s stumps.

    I agree that Indian oldies need to be now phased out. They will not go on their own. Laxman said in an interview recently he has no plans of retiring, Dravid had said the same thing too, and SRT refuses to even answer the question.

    No matter that the youngsters are not as good as them, they need to start somewhere, and now is the time to bring in Rohit Sharma into the sqaud, and Kohli should be persisted with.

    May be they will lose a few tests. But they are already losing with these old masters. Then why not bring in youngsters.

    Dhoni also has lots to think about. He is not a good Test captain, and he cannot lead from front in Test matches, where as in ODI he does it. He is the number one batsman in ODI for the team and possibly the best finisher in the game. But in Tests he is not as good as rest of team, a player like that cannot remain as captain for too long.

    Playing at home hides all these flaws, as they are almost invincible at home. Only South Africa have won Test matches in India since 2007. This hides the teams overseas performance, which of late is a flop because the oldies who used to put up 500 runs an innings previously is not able to do so. India have to face it, Laxman, Dravid, and SRT are not making double hundreds anymore, where as they used to do it on tours prior to last England tour. Sehwag is also a failure now for too long overseas. He last made a 100 overseas against Australia in 2008. Gambhir too has not done anything.

    Batting is the Indian problem now, and they need to fix it.

  487. #487 by NewGuy on December 30, 2011 - 4:52 PM


    Dhoni is an idiot to blabber about DRS. I think it is fairly certain now that not having DRS helps Indian team in marginal cases. BCCI and Indian team will not stick to this no DRS policy if they did not believe there is benefit in it for them. Since everyone accepted DRS, India should as well. There are flaws that need to be discussed and rectified, but you don’t wait until everything is perfect, otherwise you will never start. Someone should force them into it. ICC is worthless.

  488. #488 by NewGuy on December 30, 2011 - 4:54 PM

    Regarding rankings, if you beat a higher ranked team than you, then you get more points. This is generally how rankings work in all systems, not just ICC rankings. SL beat SA who were placed above them, so SL will get more points than Pak beating Bangla even though they both won 1 test each.

  489. #489 by Sentinel Prime on December 30, 2011 - 6:53 PM


    That’s a pretty apt analysis.

    I don’t see Australia losing this series now because this is the worst their batsmen will perform. I feel things will only get better from the batting perspective. Plus, they will monitor Yadav’s bowling and prepare better to counter him.

    I don’t know what is happening to Watson and Bollinger, but if they are brought back they can also hurt India.

    This series may well be a draw, but I just don’t see Australia losing it now because we have seen that even this incomplete Australian side has mental strength.

    As for India they will just have to get Australia out for less than 300 consistently if the senior batsmen can’t find form.

  490. #490 by Sentinel Prime on December 30, 2011 - 7:00 PM

    Doug Bollinger has 50 wickets from 12 matches.

    He was dropped because of one bad performance vs England and I am sure some other bowlers also performed poorly.

    I think he is treated unfairly because he has been consistent in wicket taking except 2 matches out of 12, one each against England and South Africa when he was expensive.

    In terms of wicket taking ability I think their best bowlers are Bollinger, Johnson and Pattinson at the moment.

    Johnson’s performance has been under the scanner for a long time but he can work wonders any time. His bowling is like Sehwag’s batting; if it works it is destructive but it may not work consistently.

    He is probably the best Australian bowler when it comes to reverse swing.

    It is a useful strategy to select players based on their current form but sometimes you should make compromises based on reputations.

    As India have shown a weakness against Hilfenhaus, he will probably stay in the team for some time, but if I had to select 3 bowlers they would be Johnson, Bollinger and Pattinson. They are aggressive, they like 3,4,5 wicket hauls and like I said, Johnson can bowl well with the old ball.

  491. #491 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 30, 2011 - 10:32 PM


    Shane Watson is injured that is why he is not in the team. About Doughy, no clue why he is not in the team but, Johnston was dropped for poor performance whereas these days he is playing well in the domestic matches still there is no room for him in the squad.

    At the Big Bash League, Misbah was named Player of the Match.…………………… oooooooooooooops I mean Shahid Afridi for taking 3 important wickets in 4 overs for 21 runs only and that includes the prized wicket of Chris Gayle (75) and won the match by six runs, had he not taken the wicket of Gayle, they would have lost the match. But, what a player Misbah is ooooooooooooooooooooooops again, I mean Shahid Afridi.

  492. #492 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 30, 2011 - 10:49 PM


    When I say, I don’t understand the ICC methodology of ranking and that stupid D/L method, I don’t mean it is beyond my comprehension par ce que je n’suis pas abdul but, the notion behind that is very stupid. They must find a better and simpler way for ranking as well as for D/L method.

    Btw, the OZ’s have called for Ryan Harris who was also injured (Watson may not play against India at all due to his calf injured). Harris is a very unassuming bowler, some players don’t take him seriously but, he get wickets and I am sure he is going to trouble India.

    I dunno when Laxman is going to perform? He is basking under his past glories against Australia, especially that big double century he made and won that match for India. Dhoni should talk to his senior teammates and the manager about including Rohit Sharma in the second test. Dhoni himself cannot justify his place in the test team only on the basis of his batting which is very pathetic at least up to now. You never know he might score a century and silence his critics and play for another 20 matches as captain.

  493. #493 by NewGuy on December 31, 2011 - 3:31 AM


    I agree with you that it is unlikely Australia will lose this Test series now, rather I don’t see India winning it. India has the bowling to take 20 wickets now, but the batting, no matter how famed they are, is not the force they are.

    It is better that Indian fans and selectors wake up and smell the coffee, or realize the truth, in other words this famed batting line up is past their sell by date, they can no longer do the things they used to be able to do.

    Javed Khan asked when will Laxman score, I have no idea, he failed miserably in England, I think he did get a hundred against WI, but that counts for nothing. Hhe did have some match winning knocks up until last year, so he has not completely been living in his 280 heroic 10 years back against Australia. He had that 96 against SA in Durban, that went a long way in winning the match, then a second innings hundred against SL year before that, and a second innings 80 odd against Australia in Mohali that won the match.

    But he is past his prime, he seems to be getting out to quality bowling too easily. Laxman in his prime is a fluent stroke player, he scores quickly and have no problem getting boundaries, but at MCG he struggled for 1 run in 22 balls and then in second innings 1 run in 14 balls.

    May be I am wrong, but England tour plus this Test, are early signs for me that the famed Indian batting line up is done and dusted, they are in the final slump from there there will be no recovery.

    Eventually fans, media, and selectors will catch up, but that won’t soon. Even if they lose this series, I think they will have several home series after that which will boost their batting.

    As for Dhoni, he must step up, or he should be pushed hard for his place in the team. You can’t select a player as just captain. Even for a WK batsman standard, these days you expect more runs from the WK.

  494. #494 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 31, 2011 - 3:47 AM


    On replacing captains, imo Sehwag is about 33-34 years old and its not right to make him a captain. Gambhir is also 30+ and not a captaincy material. Among the young ones we have:


    IF I have to chose between the three I will probably go for Ashwin or Rohit but not Kohli. It may sound weird but, choosing a young captain is very important and right now Ashwin’s morale is very high and I dunno much about him but, he seems to have a balanced mind and appears to be a “budding” all-rounder. Give him the confidence that he needs and it will boost his morale.

    Having said that, INDIAN SELECTORS will never do that because like Pakistan they give chance to a young player as early as 14-15 BUT they are old fashioned when it comes to award Captaincy. There is something wrong with their psyche that the Captain must be old and MUST BE RESPECTED because of his age and everyone must call him so and so BHAI. This is where there is a flaw in the system and there aren’t any good leaders. Imran Khan was younger than most of his contemporaries and colleagues and that is an exceptional case that the PCB made him a captain, may be because of his Oxford background?

  495. #495 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 31, 2011 - 7:58 AM

    DRC, Sweetie and Vanilla Pod have all vanished …… Abdul

    They have all vanished because you left the blog and now that you are back they will all come back. They still ask me thru email, where is that handsome hunk with Puppoo looks? But, you forgot to mention Theossa who always stood BEHIND you. 😀

  496. #496 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 9:49 AM

    So I guess we were right about why Misbah plays like this?

    Misbah still fears losing his captaincy, claims Mohsin Khan

    KARACHI: Pakistan captain Misbah-ul-Haq may have tasted unprecedented success in all the three formats of the game this year but the fear that failure in two or three matches could put his captaincy and place in the national team in jeopardy still bothers him.

    Pakistan head coach Mohsin Khan made this disclosure in an exclusive interview on Geo Super channel when asked that many former players and critics felt that Misbah was a defensive captain.

    “I think you have to understand that at his age, he still worries about the fact that if he fails in one or two matches the critics will be after him and he could be dropped,” Mohsin said.

    That is why he at times tends to play it safe. But he has gained in confidence as a captain and I have been trying to tell him to not think about these things and just focus on doing what he is doing best at the moment leading the team by example,” Mohsin added.

    The 37-year-old Misbah, who was appointed captain in all three formats this year, led Pakistan to series wins over Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh away from home cementing his place in the side as senior batsman and captain.

    “I think Misbah is an intelligent player and composed captain and he communicates well with the players. He has also quickly picked up the confidence to push for victories plus he is batting extremely well. I just tell him just go out and get runs and don’t waste any innings. He has served Pakistan cricket very well,” Mohsin said.

    He described his working relationship with Misbah as ideal as he pointed out that the senior batsman had the knack of consulting other players and management and keeping them on board on important decisions.

    “During the last Test against Bangladesh both of us decided on spur of moment that even if we get 10 overs we will go for victory and not settle for a draw,” Mohsin said.

    The Pakistan coach also lashed out at his critics who have accused him of being armchair coach, not being physically very active and holding long team meetings to the frustration of the players.

    “I think I have got along well with the players in the team. People need to understand that nowadays the job of a coach is to mentally make his players stronger and just guide them and discuss strategies with them. A coach is a planner. I don’t think you can teach anything more in batting terms to Misbah or Younis at this stage,” he said.

    Mohsin admitted that he didn’t shy away from having a word with either senior or junior players if they failed to live up to expectations or didn’t execute things properly on the field.

    “I have told the players that we are all because of Pakistan and being professionals we are also supposed to deliver no compromises on that.

    “My mantra is give you 100 percent on the field win or lose is part of the sport. Because millions of people pray for our success and we shouldn’t let them feel we let them down or didn’t try hard enough,” he said.

  497. #497 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 9:51 AM

    Ashraf admits Wahab was picked only after clearance from ICC

    KARACHI: The chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Zaka Ashraf has admitted that left arm pacer Wahab Riaz was selected in the national team for the upcoming England series only after clearance from the ICC.

    According to a report in the ‘Express Tribune’ newspaper, Ashraf said in an interview that the PCB had sought clarification from the ICC on the issue of selecting Wahab.

    “Since his name was mentioned in the spot-fixing trial in London, as a precautionary measure we didn’t consider him for the matches against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. But we inquired from the ICC if they had any evidence suggesting that Wahab might also be involved in the scandal,” said Ashraf.

    “It was only after the ICC informed us they had no evidence against Wahab that we told the selectors ‘they should decide if they want him in the team for the England series’,” he added.

  498. #498 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 11:03 AM


    T20 is not real cricket. Test Cricket is what matters. It separates the men from the boys. It is the ultimate examination technically, mentally and physically. Misbah is a complete and serious cricketer and therefore plays this format and does not shy away from the challenges to play in slog fests around the world like Afridi. Also, Afridi did not take the wicket of Chris Gayle. Mohamamd Hafeez is now Pakistan’s premier all rounder in one day internationals. Razzaq has achieved more in T20s than Afridi, even despite not being utilised effectively for most of the time. Any half decent cricketer would take 300 wickets in over 300 matches when they are getting their full quota regularly. What about a batting average of less than 25 after 300+ ODIs? They are hardly any ground breaking records.

  499. #499 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 11:34 AM

    Javed, I have responded to you on that page

  500. #500 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 1:33 PM

    Abdul Bhai,

    For a bowling all rounder an average of 23 and 30+ wickets is very good. Especially if that all rounder is in the top 10 ODI wicket takers.

    I think Jayasuria averaged 32 and he took fewer wickets than Afridi, but he was known as one of Sri Lanka’s greatest players. Afridi is the backbone of Pakistan’s bowling and in terms of statute he is equal to if not greater than Jayasuria.

  501. #501 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 1:37 PM


    Look, even Mohsin Khan is saying that Misbah plays to secure his position in the team.

  502. #502 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 31, 2011 - 2:36 PM


    ‘If the purblind nocturnal sees not the sunlight, it is not the later to be blamed.’ So, no matter how much you try to convince a schomo it will never get through his upper chamber, a nitwit is a nitwit.

    Aur lagta hai iss nitwit ki kisi pathan nay ziyadati ker di hai, now he is realizing it but, it is too late.

  503. #503 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 3:17 PM

    Jayasuria achieved plenty in test cricket as well, Afridi didn’t.

    For this reason he will never really be taken seriously as a cricketer by the closer observers.

    He was not a bowling all rounder throughout his career. Sometimes he was just played in the team as an attacking batsmen and filler with the ball.

    I have nothing against him, but there is no way he is adequate for captaincy or is a valuable player to the level of Misbah, Younis, Gul, Ajmal and Hafeez who are automatic selections for both the shorter and longer formats and much more dependable in their arts and have continuously delivered the goods for Pakistan Cricket day in day out.

    It’s refreshing to see cricketers like Misbah who do take their places for granted.

    You will never be taken seriously with this continuous Misbah bashing attitude. The ROCK can do no wrong according to you ……..

  504. #504 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 3:25 PM


    I am sure if Theo was here he will be disgusted by your double standard based comments against Misbah … no wonder he does not comment here anymore … haters can continue hating him as if he has committed an unforgiveable crime on purpose ..

    In my opinion, Misbah is one of the very few individuals in the side who is capable of handling the complexity of leadership of a Pakistan team. He comes across as one of the very few respectable, suitable, deserving & dependable figures who can control affairs on and off the field within the team. Well rounded individuals like him, responsible professionals who operate with intellect and remarkable consistency and possess captaincy traits and characteristics are found in rarity amongst Pakistan cricketers. He is by and large a controversy free character. He knows how to conduct himself & guide & groom the youngsters through his calmness, composure, coolness & level headed wisdom. He has cricketing braininess, tactical awareness & depth technical understanding on various aspects which he can follow and pass on. His decision making credentials and ability to extract the best from other members of the team is evident. He handles proceedings and reads match situations with adversity, thoughtfulness & perspective. He creates a trouble free positive team environment and avoids getting involved in controversies, hassle and unnecessary dramas. He interacts well with the press in an eloquent and down to Earth manner. He makes things happen on the field as we saw when New Zealand were bowled out in a single session of play out of the blue on Sunday 9th January 2011 in Hamilton. He leads from the front with example & authority, consistently and reliably. There are absolutely no queries regarding his performance. Personally, I don’t think much can beat this for a package of a captain.

    Mr Consistent. Mr Dependable. Successful captain. The brains, brightness, guidance & solid rock wall of the team. The stabilising force behind the team success. The backbone of the batting line up. A dedicated responsible professional batsmen & human being who has wisdom & educational qualifications behind him. Pakistan cricket is in safe hands under his leadership with the potential to go far and reach new heights. He is not over emotional or shady like other captains we have come across. Operates analytically with clarity, perspective, hindsight, game awareness, calculated skill and a sound temperament. We are behind you Misbah! High class performer, thorough professional, ideal leadership qualities, commanding structure as a batsmen & terrific ambassador for game and country.

  505. #505 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 3:32 PM

    He places a great deal of emphasis on discipline,
    responsibility and mindset which have been missing ingredients in the past. He
    fathers a healthy team environment which has been a rarity. I have already
    covered his own performance which is a no brainer but exceptional. What more
    could you ask for? Age is no barrier if you have the form, fitness and

    He has vast understanding on the various technical aspects and
    regularly provides his guidance and input. He is tactically intelligent. He has
    an “eye for talent” and knows what is required at the highest level and how to
    extract the best from his team. He sets high standards and strives for
    excellence. Tends to make some bold and outside of the box moves. He doesn’t
    necessarily ploy the obvious or expected move, but takes things his own way with
    valid justifications behind it. This is an area where he stands out. We can say
    he is considerate, perspective minded and implies clarity of thoughtfulness when
    weighing up the pros and cons. His cricketing braininess is undisputable. Not to
    say that everything he does will be right, but he has strong case credibility in
    his approach.

    He has strategist capabilities and is known as the genius
    masterful brain of the game within the team. I’ll give you some examples here.
    For example he was the man who was behind convincing Afridi to allow Wahab to go
    for the unplayable reverse swinging Yorker on the 30th of March when there was
    some deliberation as to whether he should go for the standard delivery first up
    or outclass him with the variation. His persuasion and game sense of Yuvraj’s
    high bat lift resulted in a magical moment for all to enjoy with the exception
    of the batsmen of course. The man managerial powers are evident. This enables
    people to feel confident, settled and professionally guided and assisted
    regardless of whether they are bowlers, batters, fielders. He has all bases
    covered technically and epitomises that it is a game in the mind as much as it
    is to do with the skill. The ability to convert the skill and talent into a well
    executed plan is where he specialises and places a great deal of importance. He
    also recommended Saeed Ajmal for national selection during the 2008 Asia Cup
    when he was vice captain. The team were lacking a front line specialist in the
    spin department. He forwarded a recommendation of a quality product who now is
    considered one of the most feared opponents in the modern game. His match
    anticipation and eye for talent is a rare attribute. There has never been a
    negative word spoken against him on this matter and all who have worked with him
    have been praiseworthy and expressed great gratitude for raising their game
    through professional advice along with portraying the characteristics of a
    complete or ideal package captain. It’s not often you get the chance to say
    this, especially for a Pakistan captain. He is a rare species who are found far
    and few between in the mysterious world that is Pakistan Cricket.

    People can keep referring to his semi final knock as if they are so emotionally down
    that nothing else has any relevance; however such ignorance shall never end up
    on the winning side. He is the only one who did not throw their wicket away,
    fought right to the end, came to terms with the pitch and conditions, attempted
    to reconstruct the innings and top scored not only in this match, but throughout
    the tournament he had the best record by the batters in what had been a
    memorable campaign. Moreover, he was not really batting in the top 4 so his role
    was undefined and others around him choked considerably more. To summarise a
    player’s career on the basis of one innings is beyond logic. It’s as simple as
    that. Unfortunately he gets a lot of exaggerated and unnecessary stick from
    various quarters of his own fan base for his less entertaining style, his age,
    his unglamorous personality, the myth that he cost Pakistan WCs and even the
    myth that he removed the charismatic Shahid Afridi from captaincy when really
    the board made the decision after Afridi had violated the players code of
    conduct after repeated warnings.

  506. #506 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 3:36 PM

    Correction from comment #503

    It’s refreshing to see cricketers like Misbah who do NOT take their places for granted.

  507. #507 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 5:29 PM


    The difference between Afridi and Jayasuria’s bowling strike rates in Tests is 17 balls per wicket. The difference between their bowling average is 2 runs per wicket in Jayasuria’s favour. So Afridi is hands down the better Test bowler.

    The difference in their batting averages is 3 runs in Jayasuria’s favour.

    So statistically Afridi is the better Test all rounder overall.

  508. #508 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 5:37 PM

    LOL Abdul

    You are either demented or someone has brainwashed you if you are defending Misbah even though Mohsin Khan has agreed with me, JAK and Zen, that Misbah is defensive because he wants to maintain his position in the team.

    LOL at you trying to defend this and claiming that Misbah does not take his place for granted.

    In securing his place in the team he has drawn those matches that could be won, and lost those matches that could be drawn.

    Do you understand that Misbah averages so highly because he has a very high rate of remaining not out?

    He remains not out so much because he blocks and does not accelerate when needed.

  509. #509 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 5:41 PM

    We have a selfish captain here who chooses defence over attack because he is worried he will be dropped if he fails.

    In another country that would be taken very seriously and action would be taken against that player.

  510. #510 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 5:48 PM

    “Cricket is not cricket without Shahid Afridi”: Michael Holding

    “Shahid Afridi is the most talented cricket I have ever seen”: Bob Woolmer

    “Boom Boom Afridi!”: Ravi Shastri

    “England don’t have bowlers like Shahid Afridi who can clean up any batting line up”: Nick Knight

    “Shahid is a great player”:
    Salauddin Ahmed

  511. #511 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 5:50 PM


    Do you know recently Ramiz Raja and Zaheer Abbas have criticised Misbah’s defensive approach?

  512. #512 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 31, 2011 - 6:10 PM


    If you come out of your shell and stop using Thesaurus then you will see the whole world from a different perspective. It would be foolish on anyone’s part to discuss anything serious with a dolt, so you better save your breath to cool your own porridge and feel like a king by being an Albino among the blind.


    If Whichbah was such a great player why was he dropped for over ten years? And, whenever he got a chance to prove his worth he floundered and got booted. He and his 7 generations must be grateful to Ijaz Butt for playing politics and making captain of the team. Very soon he will be exposed especially when he will be playing in England, SA and Australia.

  513. #513 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 31, 2011 - 6:13 PM


    Tehrik-e-Ishteqlal Party shall be merging with Tehrik-e-Insaaf Party.

  514. #514 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 6:17 PM


    Happy new year to you too and I hope you are feeling better.

  515. #515 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 6:58 PM

    Ajmal believes UDRS will help Pakistan spinners

    Dec 31 (Reuters) – Pakistan’s leading spinner Saeed Ajmal is confident the Umpires Decision Review System (UDRS) in the forthcoming series against England will be a plus for his team’s slow bowlers because of the number of left-handers in the opposition.

    “It is going to be a tense series and I am happy the UDRS will be used in tests and one-dayers,” Ajmal told Reuters.

    “I bowl the doosra a lot and most of the time I beat the batsmen in front of the wickets but umpires tend to turn down a lot of my appeals because the ball is going the other way.

    ‘With the UDRS I am confident of winning a high percentage of my appeals this time as England have at least four quality left-handed batsmen.”

  516. #516 by JAVED A. KHAN on December 31, 2011 - 7:08 PM

    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG and I hope the New Year brings happiness in everyone’s life and may Allah bless you all with health, wealth and prosperity in your life and in the country as well.

  517. #517 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 7:22 PM

    Duncan Fletcher under pressure: Sourav Ganguly

    Sourav Ganguly has said that coach Duncan Fletcher is under pressure as the Indian team has suffered their fifth loss in their past five overseas Tests.

    Fletcher presided over a disastrous 4-0 Test series humbling in England this year, and now faces the prospect of another unfulfilled tour of Australia.

    Teams coached by him have won only one of 11 Tests in Australia and lost 10, the latest a 122-run rout at the MCG this week.

    “He has had a tough time. It’s his fifth loss in his past five overseas Tests, so he will be under a bit of pressure. He has to turn it around,” Ganguly said.

  518. #518 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 7:24 PM

    To whitewash India stop Sachin, Viru: Chappell

    Sydney: Former Test captain Ian Chappell feels that if Australia can shut down Virender Sehwag and Sachin Tendulkar they can inflict a 4-0 whitewash on India like England did during the summer.

    “If Australia can shut down both Sehwag and Tendulkar, then India could well be propelled on a downhill slide similar to their recent precipitous one in England, which ended in a 4-0 series thrashing,” he said.

    Chappell said stopping Sehwag will be crucial in restricting India’s scoring. The former Australian captain said that by dismissing Sehwag early, Australia can reduce the Indian line-up’s effectiveness by around 50 per cent.

    “The length the Australians are currently bowling is the most testing the belligerent opener can face. He (Sehwag) loves it short outside off stump, but the Australians, operating on a fuller length, are more likely to exploit his lack of foot movement,” said Chappell in his column in The Sunday Telegraph.

    Chappell said Australian young bowling attack should find an answer to stop Tendulkar at his favourite ground, Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG).

    The player the Australians haven’t yet found an answer for is Sachin Tendulkar. He looked in top form, and with the SCG being his favourite venue in Australia, they’ll need to find a solution quickly,” he said.

    Chappell is concerned with the form of India opener Gautam Gambhir. “Gambhir is in trouble, as he’s discomforted by the extra bounce. If he continues to poke suspiciously at deliveries outside off-stump like a nervous mouse nibbling at the cheese, the Australians will have no trouble springing the trap,” he said.

  519. #519 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 7:26 PM

    Dhoni set the tone for India’s slide: Ian Chappell

    Melbourne: Former Australia captain Ian Chappell, blamed Mahendra Singh Dhoni for “India’s slide to oblivion” and has questioned his “conservative” approach on the final day of the first Test against Australia in Melbourne.

    “MS Dhoni set the tone for India’s slide to oblivion on the final day at the MCG. He was extremely conservative when the situation cried out for him to attack in order to claim the final two wickets cheaply,” Chappell wrote in his column for the Herald Sun.

    Chappell was critical of the visitors’ inability to polish off the Australian tail and said Dhoni needs to find a solution to the problem before the start of the second Test in Sydney from January 3.

    “He (Dhoni) lamented India’s inability to rid themselves of the Australian tailend batsmen in both innings. He only needs to pay attention when shaving before the SCG Test to find the solution to that problem,” Chappell said.

  520. #520 by Sentinel Prime on December 31, 2011 - 7:29 PM

    Pakistan may miss a genuine leg-spinner in England series; Iqbal Qasim

    KARACHI, Dec. 31 (APP)- Former legendary left arm spinner Iqbal Qasim believed that Pakistan may be missing a genuine right arm spinner in the upcoming Test series against England. “No doubt Pakistan enjoy the services of Saeed Ajmal and Abdur Rehman but a genuine leg-spinner would have given Pakistan spin armoury edge over England,” commented former Chief Selector.
    “As per the tradition and past history English batsmen always showed vulnerability against Pakistan leg-spinners,” he recalled.
    Pakistan got an outstanding history and leg-spinners like Intikhab Alam, Abdul Qadir, Mushtaq Ahmed, Danish Kaneria gave rough and tough times to England batsmen both at home and in their backyard.
    “Danish Kaneria would have been a best option for us. But he was yet to get clearance from Pakistan Cricket Board and that is why he was not picked by the selectors,” said Bangalore hero of 1987.
    “Though Pakistan team doing well in the past few series under Misbah-ul-Haq but it will be altogether a different proposition against England,” he maintained.
    “It’s right time for the team to continue their consistent winning run against ICC’s Test ranking number one team,” he stressed.
    Its great to see Pakistan batting lineup of Taufeeq, Hafeez, Younis and Asad are showing consistent form. Success of batsmen against England’s quality bowling attack will be key in the outcome of the series,” he remarked.

  521. #521 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 8:49 PM

    There is nothing wrong with remaining not out.

    It shows how solid his defence is and what a steady temperament he has on his shoulders.

    I admire how he does not want to be dismissed and how much dedication and commitment goes into his batting.
    Actually when he is “not out” the team usually go on to win, especially when chasing. It’s called the ability to finish matches by engaging in partnerships, valuing his wicket, knocking the ball around, taking the odd calculated blow here and there and then ensuring he remains there right to the end, knocks off the winning runs and guides the team to the desired outcome with his temperament, responsibility and determination to fulfil the role.

    He does accelerate, but sometimes he reassesses totals according to the conditions which are a great skill as a captain. He can work out what a good total is and what is enough. By remaining not out he is ensuring:

    a) 2 new batsmen don’t end up at the crease at the same time which will affect the scoring rate even more and even perhaps result in a collapse

    b) Can pass on his advice and suggestions to the incoming batsmen as he has spent valuable time at the crease to gather his thoughts

    c) Ensure the team bat out the duration which is the basic principle

    “Misbah may have copped a lot of criticism for his painfully slow batting in ODIs, but he still averaged above 50 with 9 fifties in 2011. His slow approach may not be suited to the modern demands of the game, but he ensured that the word ‘collapse’ was taken out of the equation when Pakistan were playing.” – One of Cricket’s most leading sites across the globe.

    Responsibility. Some thrive on it, others crumble under its weight.
    Being made captain of an international cricket side is certainly a responsible position. Being made captain of Pakistan in the wake of the Lord’s spot-fixing scandal that had consumed the previous skipper Salman Butt had even more responsibility attached to it.
    Such was the burden placed on Misbah-ul-Haq’s shoulders.
    Pakistan could easily have imploded. But it didn’t and Misbah must take a lot of credit for that.
    At the Reverse Sweep, we find it absurd that Misbah attracts so much criticism from Pakistan cricket followers on blogs and Twitter. – November 2011

    Kudos for the current Pakistani resurgence, though, goes primarily to Misbah, whose calm leadership and even calmer batting have lent stability to the most storm-tossed vessel on the high seas. The contrast to his disgraced predecessor could hardly have been starker. Among the new, true allrounders – i.e. those picked across all three formats – none averaged more than his 57.20. The first 40-year-old national skipper since Imran Khan? Don’t put it past him. – Rob Steen Cricinfo Mid December 2011

    “I think Misbah is an intelligent player and composed captain, and he communicates well with the players. He has also quickly picked up the confidence to push for victories, plus he is batting extremely well. I tell him to just go out and get runs and don’t waste any innings. He has served Pakistan cricket very well.” – Mohsin Hassan Khan December 2011

  522. #522 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 8:57 PM

    If you are calling Misbah selfish than Afridi is double selfish because he more often than not bats without a care in the world and just wants to entertain the kiddie spectators by trying to dispatch the ball to the moon and back. He doesn’t consider the needs and demands of the situation, but rather how much popularity he will generate. He just wants to have his face in the action. That is the height of selfishness. He has got the ability for sure, but just does not fulfil his undeniable talent because he is more concerned with other priorities which are more often than not irresponsible and unnecessary.

  523. #523 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on December 31, 2011 - 8:58 PM

    Sanath Jayasuriya has 50 more test wickets than Shahid Afridi and has played for longer

    please do not compare them

  524. #524 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 12:14 AM

    Bhai you are giving credit to jayasuria simply because he played so many test matches? Why not give afridi credit then in odi’s because he has played many more odi’s than misbah?

  525. #525 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 1, 2012 - 12:55 AM

    Bangalore hero of 1987 IQBAL QASIM?????

    How about Tauseef? He also took the same number of wickets in that match.
    First innings Qasim and Tauseef took 5 wickets each
    Second innings Qasim and Tauseef took 4 wickets each.

    How come one becomes a hero and the other is not even mentioned?

    This is what the Pakistanis do, they are good at praising whomsoever they like and dissing whomsoever they like.

  526. #526 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 1, 2012 - 1:06 AM

    You may admire a Chimkadar or a Chachoondar if you want. Has anyone forgotten how Mishap played in the first T20 WC? And, not once but twice. In the round match against India he was out in a silly manner and again in the final against India he was out in a new fashion whereas only 3 runs were required in equal number of balls and he managed to get out and gave the WC title in a silver platter to India.

    Now he has changed his technique and decided to block every single ball so that he remains NOT OUT and people should not say he was out in yet another silly manner. He want the people to say he scored a FIFTY and he remained NOT OUT. What a selfish and disgusting player he is and the irony is those Ch2so4’s made him the captain of the team. He is creating clones in Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali.

    Secondly, a player has to be judged in totality and not in parts. Afridi is a complete player, if he fails in batting he performs in bowling and fielding. He took crucial catches in WC like getting rid of Tendulkar in the recent WC and prior to that, he took an excellent catch in the T20 WC in England against New Zealand in dismissing Scott Styis, he ran almost 100 meters to take that catch. Misbah can’t even move an inch to his left or right and yet Ramiz says he has BUCKET LIKE HANDS which cannot hold a cricket ball.

    If you don’t consider T20 as a game then you can go and fly a kite, we have already discussed on this blog a zillion times about the importance of Test matches, ODIs and T20s in detail, so you don’t have to give us a BHASHAN on this subject with your super pseudo judicious knowledge and your ultra super puppoo experience. If you have so much time at your disposal read the archives.

  527. #527 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 1, 2012 - 1:15 AM

    “He has got the ability for sure, but just does not fulfil his undeniable talent because he is more concerned with other priorities which are more often than not irresponsible and unnecessary.”

    WOW, this is really Queen’s English especially the one that is spoken by her not so desi butlers who are contradicting and negating their own statement by saying; this is indeed butter chicken but, not exactly butter chicken because it is not cooked with same similarities to give the looks of butter chicken but, it is unnecessary to call it butter chicken because it is not butter chicken but, it looks like butter chicken.

    Eye Yum Empress! I am impressed by a puppo who calls billions of spectators as kiddie spectators. Have you been raising your leg near a fire hydrant lately or what?

  528. #528 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 1, 2012 - 2:18 AM


    Pls. read this:

    We have a Maninder Singh Mohsin Roy here ……. what was the need to talk about umpiring before the series?

    Ek say barkay ek Ch2So4 hain.


    Normally I don’t care about what the Chappel Brothels talk about but, this time what he is saying about Sehwag and Tendulkar seems to be right. Both of them play a pivotal role in the Indian batting line up and the whole team revolves around them. So, if they get both of them, like a few years ago they pinpointed Sehwag’s weakness in playing a shot over the point and they placed a fielder in the deep and kept bowling him short and outside the off stump and he kept getting out in the same spot. Later he corrected but, I am sure they will find ways of getting him and Tendulkar early. Because, Sehwag if he stays longer he is very destructive.

  529. #529 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 1, 2012 - 11:07 AM

    Javed, in the 2007 WC final Afridi was dismissed for a first ball golden duck and struggled to take any wicket with the ball. Misbah got Pakistan on the brink of the title batting with tail enders. They were tottering when he walked out to bat in Johannesburg, but yet managed to take the encounter to the wire when they looked gone for all money. In regards to why he was not able to maintain a permanent position in the side earlier in his career, it would be fair to say he was dropped unfairly. In the 2002 triangular series with the great Australian side participating Misbah was a standout performer for Pakistan and scored a half century in the final against them when other batsmen failed before rain washed out the occasion and also scored an unbeaten half century in a pool encounter of the same competition. Anyway, there is not much else he could have done in a generation of YK, Yousuf and Inzamam. He’s stuck at it in the domestic arena and is now getting his opportunity and delivering. It’s an admirable journey.

  530. #530 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 1, 2012 - 11:16 AM

  531. #531 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 1:04 PM


    That link you have provided, the high average is due to remaining not out in 1/3rd of the innings Misbah played and the highest score was only 50.

  532. #532 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 1:09 PM


    Misbah’s performance was only noteworthy in 2 years- 2007 and 2008. He has been unremarkable the rest of his career.

    Whether this is due to lack of talent, or negative mindset, we don’t know.

    If you think Misbah was dropped unfairly after averaging 14 in Tests in the period 2001-2003, what about Afridi whom the selectors kept ignoring despite his statistics in Tests which are overall better than Jayasuria’s?

    What kind of mindset do you have, and what kind of biased and unjust country is Pakistan where people have sympathy with Misbah’s average of 14, but no sympathy with Afridi’s Test performance which is better than Jayasuria?

  533. #533 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 1:12 PM

    England have the best attack in world that will rattle Pakistan

    Alec Stewart

    THE hard work starts now for Andrew Strauss and his players.

    Getting to the top of the Test ladder was the well-publicised goal set by the England cricket team, and now they are sitting pretty the real challenge is to stay there.

    Taking on Pakistan in the United Arab Emirates may be on neutral territory, but it will be a tough assignment for England.

    After the well-documented troubles that Pakistan cricket has had to face over the spot-fixing trial, their players have regrouped and appear to be playing as a united side, full of talent.

    The atmosphere in the stadiums where the three-Test series will take place may not be buzzing, but out in the middle it will be red hot.

    These two teams have not always had the best of relationships over the years, with accusations of alleged cheating and foul play leading the way, and I expect this series to be no different.

    Whoever plays the better cricket and keeps a cool head in the heat of battle will come out victorious.

    The pitch and weather conditions will be more conducive to o Pakistan, but, with the well-balanced squad that has been selected, England have covered all options.

    The settled batting line-up is a big plus and if each individual shows the run-scoring appetite that batting coach Graham Gooch has drilled into them, posting the big totals should not be a problem.

    Behind England’s climb to the No.1 spot has been their ability to take 20 wickets to win the games, and our super-strong bowling attack — after a nice rest period — will be fresh and raring to go.

    The line-up will be dependent on the pitch, but I firmly believe that England have not just the best front line bowlers, but the second best as well.

    If James Anderson, Stuart Broad, Chris Tremlett (left) and Graeme Swann are seen as the top attack, then Tim Bresnan, Steve Finn, Graham Onions and Monty Panesar are surely second best — South Africa may disagree with me on this, though!

    It’s bowlers that win games and England are currently spoilt for choice.

    England will not take Pakistan lightly. Their recent run of results means they will go into the series full of confidence after re will full completing four series wins and one draw in 2011. Pakistan captain Misbah-ul-Haq has led from the front and his players have backed him up. Veteran batsman Younis Khan is back to his very best, while Umar Gul will pose problems with both the new and old ball.

    Saeed Ajmal is a bowler I rate very highly, as he reminds me of my former Surrey team-mate Saqlain Mushtaq with his mysterious doosra to back up his more orthodox off spin.

    The one area England will definitely have the upper hand is in the fielding department.

    On pitches which aren’t always conducive to the bowlers taking every chance that is offered, fielding is often the difference between winning and losing.

    Pakistan are renowned for their lapses in the field while England have built a reputation for their athletic and dynamic fielding.

    It will be a closely-fought contest and I hope that the people in the UAE turn up in their numbers to support two very good teams.

    Test cricket is still the most important form of the game and, from the administrators through to the players and public alike, everyone must make sure it as an occasion worthy of its status.

  534. #534 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 1:15 PM

    It’s a fair assessment by Stewart.

    I was initially taking out fast bowling and fielding from the equation when I had said that both teams are balanced.

    But, after you take into account Pakistan’s inability to play pace and England’s superior fielding, you have to consider England as favourites.

    I am sure Misbah and Mohsin will be planning to draw the series 0-0 and this is what Pakistan is aiming for.

  535. #535 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 1:29 PM

    I am mentally prepared for Test debut: Rohit

    India batsman Rohit Sharma says he is mentally prepared to make his Test debut against Australia, in Sydney, should he be picked to replace an out-of-form Virat Kohli in the second match of the series, starting on Tuesday.

    “Of course (I’m ready). I don’t want to be unprepared. My preparation has to be 100 per cent. It doesn’t matter if I am playing or not,” Rohit said.

    “Preparation has to always be the same. I have to be ready (to play) each and every time. Because you never know, somebody might get injured on the day of the Test. You have to be ready,” he added.

  536. #536 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 1:31 PM


    I think Chappell is highlighting SRT and Sehwag because they score quickly.

    Laxman and Dravid can be dangerous in their own way but tend to play slowly.

    Australia will not be worried about slow batsmen that much, because their plan is to bowl aggressively and get wickets so the slow batsmen can stand there trying to build innings while the more attacking batsmen lose their wickets.

  537. #537 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 1, 2012 - 1:42 PM


    Would you please mind writing here WHO WAS THE PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT OF THE T20 WORLD CUP OF 2007?

    A player of the tournament is adjudged on the basis of consistent performance during the whole tournament and NOT on the basis of one stupid, senseless and selfish batting performance and that too by letting your side lose the match and the tournament. This happened not once but twice in the same 2007 WC and again in 2011 WC semifinal in Mohali. This is unpardonable, Mishap should have been sacked forever but, this is Pakistan where the administration and power is in the hands of crooks, criminals and incompetent nincompoops and they have made him a captain, it is just like Zardari is shameless crook and he has been made the President of the country.

  538. #538 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 1, 2012 - 2:07 PM

    In the final of T20 WC final of 2009 in England, Shahid Afridi won the final singlehandedly by scoring 54 in 40 balls a feat that Misbah can only dream because he is not a finisher whereas, Afridi is a finisher.

    Afridi was the Man of the Match in the final of 2009 WC.
    Afridi should have been named Player of the Tournament too but,
    They gave it to Dilshan for scoring 317 runs in the tournament and Dilshan took zero wickets
    Whereas, Afridi scored 176 runs and took 11 wickets.
    If you consider 1 wicket = 20 runs, then add 220 runs to his 176 (220+176=396)
    Dilshan and Afridi both took 3 catches but, Afridi’s catch of Styris was the catch of the tournament.

    The only reason they did not award him the Player of the tournament was, he would have received TWO awards in a row and they didn’t want a Pakistani to achieve a record like this. Besides, he was getting the MoM award for the final that Pakistan won, so there would have been too many awards for one person. How many times Misbah has won MOM award? Especially in big games? Zero?

    Because, Misbah is a negative and selfish player and he plays for his records and to secure his place in the team and that is his objective. Ye baat buchon di samajh nai aandi, tusi thoday wudday ho jao tay tab tenu samaj ayengi.

  539. #539 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 1, 2012 - 2:21 PM


    They both are interested in their self-accomplishment and self-glory, both want publicity and fame. There was no need for Asma to take Haqqani’s case and now he has refused to be Haqqani’s lawyer to create sensationalism and she wants attention and praise from people.

    Whichbah does the same, he plays negative cricket and he is creating clones and also killing the spirit of international cricket in Pakistan team because of his selfishness. If he stays longer in the team, there will be many more of Asad Shafiqs and Azhar Alis.

  540. #540 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 1, 2012 - 2:29 PM

    NewGuy: Here is something for you.

    SYDNEY: Sachin Tendulkar’s search for his elusive 100th international century fittingly takes him to the Sydney Cricket Ground for Tuesday’s second Test against Australia, an arena celebrating its own Test ton.

    The “Little Master” came close to achieving the unique feat with his fluent 73 in the first innings of last week’s Melbourne Test, where India succumbed to a 122-run defeat.

    But the SCG, hosting its 100th Test, is one of 38-year-old Tendulkar’s happy hunting grounds. He has scored three of his 51 Test hundreds there in seven innings and averages an incredible 221.33 at the ground.

    Tendulkar has been stranded on 99 Test and one-day international centuries since scoring 111 against South Africa in the World Cup in March, but the odds are stacked in his favour in Sydney this week.

    “You really think cosmos, the Almighty and the Hindu gods were going to allow him to score it (100th ton) anywhere but the SCG?” SCG Trust chairman Rodney Cavalier said in half-jest. “These things are preordained.”

    Tendulkar’s returns at the SCG make for a compelling argument: 148 not out (1992), 241 not out (2004) and 154 not out (2008).

  541. #541 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 2:41 PM


    I was hoping the SRT century madness would end but today I have checked the Indian media and again it is flooded with people speculating whether Tendulkar would reach the milestone in Sydney or not.

  542. #542 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 2:43 PM


    Asma Jehangir is a controversial figure in Pakistan because her proximity to Bal Thackerey was noticed by Pakistani media.

    I saw a picture where she was dressed in the saffron religious dress when meeting Thackeray.

  543. #543 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 2:49 PM


    You have said Misbah plays for records, but I wonder what record he’ll be able to break?

    He can never be the best captain because he can’t defeat better teams. He will probably never even enjoy the biggest winning streak because he has drawn plenty of matches and that too against minnows.

    Despite remaining not out and blocking balls which has elevated his average to late 40’s, he will never reach an average of say, 60, let alone reaching anywhere near Bradman’s average. That is because even though he might be a good blocker, good pace will get him LBW.

    He can’t have the highest number of 50s or 100s because you need to score a bit quicker to reach those figures.

    I don’t know what to say about his technique of remaining not out. If I say he has good defence, then what do I say about Kallis’s and Dravid’s defence, who have successfully countered bowlers like Wasim and Waqar, Akhtar and McGrath, Asif and Lee, Steyn and Morkel etc?

  544. #544 by NewGuy on January 1, 2012 - 3:00 PM

    Happy new year to all.

    SRT will not be making a hundred at the SCG. Another failure awaits the Indian batting line up. I said it before, people will realize this slowly, the famed batting lineup has lost their edge, their reflexes are slower and they are finding it tough against young and fit bowlers.

    I do not see India winning a Test in Australia this time.

  545. #545 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 3:01 PM


    I heard the curator wants a pace friendly pitch at Sydney so that SRT can’t score his century and Indian batting collapses again.

  546. #546 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 3:29 PM

    This should be Pakistan’s Test team:

    Khurram Manzoor
    Azhar Ali
    U Akmal
    Z Haider
    Wahab Riaz
    Junaid Khan

    Manzoor’s last Test match was against Australia and he scored 77 and this was despite playing in Australia. He should have been persisted with. He has 3 fifties from 7 Tests and it’s too early to write him off. He has made those runs in the top order so they must have been very useful runs.

    Younis is on a decline but he should bat lower than no 3, he might return to form.

  547. #547 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 3:33 PM


    Why do you think Shoaib Malik was reintroduced into the team recently?

    I thought it was very fishy.

  548. #548 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 1, 2012 - 3:41 PM

    KS. It’s funny how you suddenly ignore 2011 which has been nothing short of outstandingly remarkable and he has been labelled as one of the best and most influential players in the world during the year. It’s been the peak of his career and one of the finest comeback the sport has ever seen. Overall 16 50s, 1 century, 3 side centuries, 30 catches, 22 wins in 27 as captain with only 2 losses. Javed, Misbah has been awarded MOM 6 times, but he has only played in 1 WC so you cannot really say he doesn’t do it in big matches. Nothing comes bigger than test cricket as far as I’m concerned where he has made winning and match saving contributions in plenty. Misbah has had an unbeaten 40 or more in a successful chase on 9 occasions out of the 15 40+ LOI scores he has in the 2nd innings . That’s about as good a finisher as it gets. He has a higher % of remaining not out and guiding the team over the line in ODIs 2nd innings than Mike Hussey who is regarded as a premier finisher. Abdul Razzaq’s opening spell made the ultimate difference in the final where he claimed 3 top order wickets during the 09 T20 WC final in the power play from the Nursery End at Lords. Misbah, Younis and Razzaq as the seniors jointly agreed to promote Afridi at 3 in the knock out matches so they deserve credit for this piece of tactical brilliance as well.

  549. #549 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 1, 2012 - 3:46 PM


    You have ignored the captain who has not lost any of the 6 test series he has captained

    You have ignored the captain who has scored 10 50s and 1 century in 19 innings as test captain

    You have ignored the captain who has the 2nd highest batting average by a captain after Sir Don

    You have ignored Abdur Rehman who was the joint quickest Pakistan spinner to 50 test wickets

    You have ignored Taufeeq Umar who was Pakistan’s leading run getter in 2011 and is regarded as one of the few proper test openers Pakistan have

    You have ignored Asad Shafiq who recently scored his maiden test century

    Afridi is not an option for test cricket

    What a strange team you have

  550. #550 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 3:51 PM


    I am confident this team can perform.

    Abdur Rehman is not needed in a team which has Shahid Afridi as a bowler.

    Taufeeq Umar is a mediocre player and he made those runs because he was dropped on many occasions by minnow fielders.

    Shafiq is a clone of Misbah.

    I can guarantee you that this team can become a top 3 team. Pakistan has the talent, but unfortunately the best players never play in the XI.

  551. #551 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 3:53 PM

    I have kept Azhar Ali because unlike Shafiq and Misbah I feel he can defend well against decent bowling.

  552. #552 by NewGuy on January 1, 2012 - 4:51 PM


    India’s best bet is a pace friendly pitch, because the Indian seamers ZK, Yadav, and Ishant can exploit it as good or better than opposition. But, the oldies need to start moving their bodies better, or call it a day and kick the bucket.

  553. #553 by NewGuy on January 1, 2012 - 4:54 PM

    India should allow younger bats to come and forget reputations. Rohit Sharma, and Rahane should join Kohli. Laxman and Gambhir should sit out. I don’t see it happening, this is the truism in Indian cricket, oldies will keep playing on reputation.

  554. #554 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 4:57 PM

    A look at some fast bowlers and their 4 and 5 wicket hauls as a % of total matches played. I am using those pacers who are currently playing and have played in excess of 20 Test matches:

    James Anderson- 40% (meaning, in 40% of his matches he has taken a 4 or 5 wicket haul)

    Stuart Broad- 20%

    Morkel- 31%

    Steyn: 68%

    Kallis- 8%

    Mohd Sami- 14%

    Gul- 35%

    Zaheer Khan- 30%

    Ishant- 21%

    Sreesanth: 26%

    I Pathan- 31%

    Fernando: 15%

    Johnson: 36%

    Siddle: 28%

  555. #555 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 5:06 PM

    Gul is not a bad bowler but I feel a lot of his wickets must have come against minnows.

    The stats do somehow reflect the facts that Steyn, Anderson and Johnson are the most destructive fast bowlers.

    Zaheer is up there if you consider his post 2007 performance.

    Other than that, Morkel is also destructive.

    Pathan is overrated.

    Broad’s stats don’t reflect that he is actually a good bowler.

  556. #556 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 5:10 PM


    We were discussing batting replacements for India and I saw the stats of some batsmen they have tried over the past few years such as Saha, Vijay and Rahane.

    The only one who seemed consistent is Rahane, and it seems like the only other two who have made a mark are Rohit Sharma and Kohli.

    Maybe that is why oldies are not being dropped, because India does not seem to have great replacements. Yuvraj is not even half as good as these oldies.

  557. #557 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 1, 2012 - 6:17 PM

    Won Fielding First In ODIs

    Great Finishers

    Bevan: 25 NO in 45 innings (56%)

    50s: 12
    100s: 3

    Hussey: 17 NO in 25 innings (68%)

    50s: 6
    100s: 0

    Misbah: 13 NO in 23 innings (56%)

    50s: 7
    100s: 0

  558. #558 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 6:58 PM


    This is something I wrote a few months ago:

    “On a hunch I checked Misbah’s ODI record of remaining not out. He tends to remain not out a lot because he does not want to risk losing his wicket. Although Pakistan has won 65% of matches in which Misbah has batted, how many matches do we remember Misbah winning?

    57% of Misbah’s matches have been played against non-Test playing nations and West Indies, Zimbabwe, NZ and Bangladesh. A lot of that 65% “success rate” is due to this 57% of playing minnows.

    38% of Younis Khan‘s matches have been played against the above mentioned teams. 36% of Yousuf’s matches have been played against the above mentioned teams. 39% of Inzamam’s matches have been played against the above mentioned teams. This is just to highlight just how many minnow matches Misbah has batted in.

    A look at some other batsmen who have batted at positions no 4-no 6 in their careers and analysis of how often they remained not out. Misbah has remained not out in 25.3% of matches he has batted in:

    Inzamam- 15%
    Younis-10% (agreed he has batted at no 3 mostly so has a higher chance of getting out)
    Yousuf- 15%
    Michael Clarke- 23% (most of these would have resulted in successfully chasing scores)
    Michael Hussey- 30% (best finisher in the world)
    Kallis- 18% (renowned selfish player but still manages to get out 7% more than Misbah!)
    AB de Villiers-14%
    Chanderpaul- 16% (another selfish player, does 9% better than Misbah)
    Bravo- 18%

    I only added Hussey and Clarke for completeness, but their “not outs” result in victories for their teams.

    After you have digested this analysis, please consider whether Misbah remains not out because of his excellent defence or because of his selfishness?”

  559. #559 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 1, 2012 - 7:09 PM

    + MSD

    Won Fielding First In ODIs

    29 NOs in 47 innings (62%)

    50s: 14
    100s: 2

    Exactly KS

    95% of Misbah’s NOs come in matches which Pakistan would have won

    I remember Misbah winning many matches for Pakistan when he has batted right at the top of my head

    Less than 20% of Misbah’s ODI 50s have come in lost causes

    So no one should have any problem with Misbah remaining not and doing the job for Pakistan

    I certainly don’t

    Long may it continue

  560. #560 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 7:12 PM


    “95% of Misbah’s NOs come in matches which Pakistan would have won”

    What does that mean?

    Out of those matches Misbah has played in, 65% have been won.

    But, 57% of his matches have been played against West Indies, NZ and bottom league teams.


    And you are still trying to project him as Pakistan’s Bradman or something?

  561. #561 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 1, 2012 - 7:20 PM


    He has 19 NOs

    18 have come in wins

    that’s 95%

    I mean HAVE won

    Misbah also has played very few matches on home soil which compensates for the matches played against minor sides

  562. #562 by Sentinel Prime on January 1, 2012 - 7:29 PM


    11 of those 19 NOs have come against West Indies, NZ and non Test playing nations.

    The rest have come against Sri Lanka and India and two have come against SA and Australia.

    Again, 58% of your NOs coming against minnow teams is nothing special.

    OK, if Misbah’s lack of home exposure counts in his favour, it also counts in the favour of every other Pakistan player including Afridi and others. It is a nothing point.

    You are just making your points seem more ridiculous by mentioning things like, Misbah should be given credit for not playing at home, because this applies to every other Pakistan player too.

  563. #563 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 1, 2012 - 8:32 PM

    Unfair to categorise the Kiwis under the category of ‘minnows’ as they are a pretty decent side in the shorter formats and tend to rise above their weight at the ICC tournaments. In their last 4 T20s contested against Pakistan they have won 3 of them and in their last 2 ODIs against Pakistan they have won both fairly comprehensively so what does that make Pakistan if they are minnows? If you consider Pakistan as a minnow then whoever he makes runs against is noteworthy.

  564. #564 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 2, 2012 - 1:31 AM

    Misbah played only one world cup and why was he dropped in the other? No he was not dropped be was there in the 2009 WC T20 check out before you say that. And, Misbah played less tests and ODI’s than others is HIS PROBLEM because he DID NOT PERFORM and he was NOT SELECTED because of non-performance.

    Despite Afridi’s good performance, whenever he failed in 2 matches they used to drop him. There was no guarantee for a player like him owing to politics. Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam and Shoaib Malik while they were captains, they used to drop him without any justification. The time when Afridi was playing (Misbah is before his time) there were big names in the team and they used to keep dropping him constantly. Whereas, Misbah doesn’t have that kinda names in the team and he is in the team because of that reason, the irony is he is a captain, a minnow basher, rather a drawer! Who loves to remain not out by his tuk, tuk and increase his average because of that.

  565. #565 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 12:05 PM


    If NZ are not minnows please explain why they are ranked no 8 in Tests and no 7 in ODI’s.

    In fact, Pakistan have always had an excellent record of beating Sri Lanka and New Zealand.

    New Zealand have beaten Australia and India more times than they have beaten Pakistan in the past 15 years or so.

    Yes, we say Pakistan is a minnow, but that is only when considering stronger sides such as Australia and South Africa, not when considering NZ.

    It’s no great feat if Misbah’s team beat Sri Lanka or NZ because they tend to lose a lot against Pakistan.

  566. #566 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 12:09 PM


    Since your return this blog has discussed many issues apart from Misbah, but your sole aim seems to be to paste comments from elsewhere on this blog defending Misbah and making ridiculous points.

    We have tried to involve you in other discussions too but you are only focused on glorifying Misbah because you have only come here to impose your one point agenda.

    The chapter is closed from my angle too and I will not read your comments or respond to them if they are related to Misbah.

    If you want to discuss other issues you are most welcome.

  567. #567 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 12:19 PM


    By the way, the reason why Misbah has been named as one of the best players of 2011 is because Pakistan has only played Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, West Indies and Sri Lanka this year.

    In the WC 2011 he played that knock in the Semi Final which we have discussed and apart from that his 2 other 50s came against Kenya and Sri Lanka.

  568. #568 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 12:36 PM


    Yes you have won and we have lost.

    Misbah is a legend and no Pakistani has ever performed so well against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and bottom league West Indies.

    I salute this great player and look forward to his blocking and drawing talent vs England.

  569. #569 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 2, 2012 - 12:58 PM

    ^ Those were the days when India had the legend Kumble playing for them too

  570. #570 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 2, 2012 - 2:00 PM

    “The most important thing is to win cricket matches and we are just focussing on wining at the moment. At the moment winning cricket matches is more important than entertaining in Test cricket. Our first aim is to win matches, we want to continue to win matches, build the confidence of the players and the team, then we can look at working on the entertainment aspect in Test cricket. Once the confidence is there and you are winning, yes you can look at being more aggressive and more positive in your batting, improve your strike rates, but the key is to excel as a team first and then look at the aspect of entertainment.” – Pakistan Captain Misbah ul Haq

  571. #571 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 2:05 PM


    You are forgetting WC 2011 when Afridi’s team defeated Australia and the finalists Sri Lanka in the preliminary stage.

    The confidence we are witnessing now could well be the result of Afridi’s leadership.

    You are also forgetting that Sri Lanka have dropped considerably in the rankings in 2011 due to poor form of Dilshan and Jayawerdene. Pakistan were lucky that these two did not perform against them, and they were already out of form before they played Pakistan.

    After Pakistan’s WC performance no one could expect them to be beaten by West Indies, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. They beat Sri Lanka only because Dilshan and Jayawerdene were out of form.

  572. #572 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 2:09 PM


    The same Indians who might have compared Misbah with Miandad, thanked Misbah for not only triggering the dropped catches routine of Tendulkar in the SF, but also for losing Pakistan that match.

    I never criticised Misbah in 2007 or 2008 because his performance was selfless and he was focused on winning.

    From the past 2 years though he has solely focused on playing negatively and remaining in the team. He was dropped in 2009 for poor performance and he sure does not want to be dropped again. It is the fear of failure, rather than desire for winning, that makes him bat negatively.

  573. #573 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 2:12 PM

    Even in the Twenty20 Cup when he played a stupid shot and India won, I still supported him because he was trying and his mindset was positive despite the stupidity of the shot.

    He also played stupid shots in 2008 and I still backed him because he could change his game according to the situation.

    In 2007 and 2008 he never expected Afridi or Razzaq to win matches with their batting. He could hit and defend as the need arose.

    But, what changed in 2011 that he played with a strike rate of 39 in the first half of his innings at Mohali despite players like Younis and U Akmal getting out in front of him?

  574. #574 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 3:30 PM

    Tendulkar’s mental strength makes him a legend: Clark

    SYDNEY: Sachin Tendulkar’s mental strength makes him a legendary batsman and the ‘modern-day Don Bradman’ would get to his elusive 100th international century in the second Test against Australia starting on Tuesday, believes former pacer Stuart Clark.

    “What will make the Australian bowlers even more wary in this Test is that Tendulkar has a definite affinity with the SCG. I see no reason why he will not bring up his elusive 100th international hundred in the 100th Test match at the grand old ground,” Clark wrote in his column for Sydney Morning Herald.

    “For the past 20 years, the modern-day Don Bradman has plundered attacks around the world. Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh were no match for him. Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis did their best for little reward. Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath toiled hard against him for the same result. The reality is that Tendulkar is simply too good.

    “The great ability of Tendulkar is his ability to make the field move around and to toy with a bowler or frustrate a captain. As a bowler, you make the decision to bowl either slightly straighter with another man on the onside or to bowl slightly wider with a heavier offside field. But against Tendulkar there is a problem – he has great wrists and can hit the same delivery to three different places,” he added.

    Clark said the opposition bowlers are always in for a real challenge whenever Tendulkar walks into the ground.

    “When he walks through the gate and the ground announcers invite the crowd to ‘welcome Sachin Tendulkar’, you know as a bowler you are in for a real challenge. You ask yourself how can this man who stands just over five feet tall be so good? How does this little man have the ability to treat me with such disdain? But then you remember he is not called the ‘Little Master’ for nothing,” said Clark.

    “So what makes this modern-day maestro the legend that he is? To begin with, most of the great batsmen are small in stature. Bradman, Brian Lara, Ricky Ponting and Tendulkar are less than average height.

    “Many observers believe this allows them to judge the length of a delivery quicker, which then allows them to make a quicker decision as to whether to go under the short ball, take a stride forward or leave the ball if it is not going to hit the stumps,” said Clark, who retired from international cricket in May last year.

    The former Australian quickie said that Tendulkar’s mental toughness always intrigued him.

    “It must come from a genuine love of batting, but I also believe it is because out in the middle is the place where Tendulkar truly feels comfortable, where he can get away from the millions of adoring fans, the sponsors and the managers, and just do what he loves doing. It is the only place where he can find peace.

    “If you look at him out in the middle, there are two things you will notice. Firstly, you will see that he still wears pads with buckles – this is odd but it is also a sign of just how long he has been playing.

    “Secondly, you will see his eyes. They will give you the sense of a man who has no other thoughts in his head other than the job at hand. ‘Watch the ball’ and ‘Play each ball on its merits’, the mantras of the great batsmen, are phrases which may as well be tattooed on the inside of Tendulkar’s head and you can see it in his eyes,” said Clark.

  575. #575 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 3:33 PM

    Stars’ praise for Pattinson

    JAMES Pattinson will become Australian cricket’s most destructive paceman insist former Test speedsters Damien Fleming and Geoff Lawson.

    Sydney is usually a spinners’ haven but India’s flaky batsmen face another onslaught from Australia’s white-hot pacemen in the second Test starting today.

    Pattinson has two man of the match awards and 20 wickets from just three Tests – the break out enforcer in the embryonic stages of Clarke’s reign.

    “I think Patto is our chief asset, has a genuine bouncer, gets awkward lift at 191cm, and is fast,” said Fleming with Pattinson looming as the spearhead that Dennis Lillee and Glenn McGrath were for captains Greg Chappell and Steve Waugh.

    “He is the most important member of the attack being just 21 and blessed with the physical attributes he has been given.”

  576. #576 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 2, 2012 - 3:52 PM

    Shoaib Malik can be a decent T20 player

    He is out of sorts at the moment and totally short of confidence

    I don’t really rate him

  577. #577 by Sentinel Prime on January 2, 2012 - 3:54 PM


    Pakistan has innumerable T20 reserves. Malik is a non entity and there must be 5 players sitting on the bench who can replace him.

    T20 is not a problem because T20 bowling is very good.

  578. #578 by Abdul Is Back Aka Number 1 Fan Of Misbah ul Haq on January 2, 2012 - 4:22 PM

    I agree i.e. Hammad Azam

  579. #579 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 2, 2012 - 5:25 PM


    Tonight the 2nd test @ the SCG is starting, according to the media frenzy high profile writers, they are saying: “A memorable contest would be fitting, for this is the 100th Test to be played at the historic Sydney Cricket Ground. Only Lord’s and the MCG have hosted more Tests.”

    IF, Tendulkar scores a century here — which may or may not be possible because, by the law of averages he may not score a fifth century on this ground, also because of the tremendous yet unnecessary pressure he may not score — BUT, if he scores there will be so many who will be showering praise and accolades (like in Urdu we say, Zameen aur Aasmaan kay qulabay milana) by saying this was destined to happen like this, on the occasion of the 100th test at the SCG, Tendulkar scored the 100th international 100 … what a way to celebrate and what an occasion to coincide it with the centenary of SCG blah, blah.

    It was like the Gora Sahabs were boasting when Virginia Wade won the Women Wimbledon title in 1977 it coincided with Queen’s silver jubilee and Wimbledon’s Centenary.

  580. #580 by NewGuy on January 2, 2012 - 8:51 PM


    I know, people are just waiting to shower praises, it sells their media outlets. I also think Aussie players are just adding more pressure deliberately on Tendulkar by saying he may score a hundred. They have been trying to find a way to get him, since they can’t expose any technical flaws, and since Tendulkar does not fall for sledging, they are using a new technique of mental disintegration, by praising him so it adds pressure. Neat trick, right? It may or may not be, but I see no reason for people like Mike Hussey who is a current player to say Tendulkar may get a hundred at SCG, and so on ..

    One thing is certain, there is so much pressure on Indian team to perform, after 5 losses overseas, they simply cannot afford another loss overseas. I hope they pull up their underpants and socks and what not.

  581. #581 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 2, 2012 - 9:44 PM


    Yeah, I think you are right about Australian tactics — it is reverse therapy — praise him so much that the pressure goes into his head that he HAS to perform and MAKE a hundred and that pressure will ultimately get on his nerves and they corner him by attacking. In any case it will be very interesting to see how he will deal with the pressure?

    I know he is very calm and sledging does not bother him and I am sure the OZs will not sledge him, they have to give him the respect that he deserves. The two main sledgers are not in the team, Shane Watson and Glen McGrath. McGrath apparently looks like a humble pigeon but, he is a real MCBC type bowler who cannot take any beating and when he is thrashed all over the park, he is one of the worst sledgers — vo bhee chupke, chupke —

  582. #582 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 3:34 AM

    Gambhir and Laxman must be dropped. PERIOD. Enough is enough.

    It is Gambhir who allowed the pressure to be built by getting out on a DUCK on the third ball. Then, Dravid added more and Laxman did the rest. You cannot blame Tendulkar for getting out, he made 41 which is not bad for a player but, it is too bad from his own standards, especially since this is his hunting ground.

    Pattinson seems to dominating the Indian batting line up especially after he clean bowled Tendulkar. Once again it is Dhoni and Ashwin ki jori is on the field, Dhoni’s strike rate is not bad and Ashwin might score another 30-40 runs and India may bundle out for 220 or so max.


    Sorry, Tendulkar was not clean bowled it was an inside edge on to the stumps.

  583. #583 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 3:44 AM

    I don’t understand why they are not playing Rohit Sharma?

    NewGuy, is there an opener in the team besides Gambhir and Sehwag? If so it is time to give him a chance, I think he is Rahane or something? There is no need to persist with Gambhir as an opener. He failed 3 times in a row and even before he wasn’t in form. And, Rohit Sharma can take place of Laxman.

    Suddenly Dhoni has attacked and hit 4 boundaries and that prompted Ashwin to hit his first boundary and the score jumped from 134/6 to 157/6

  584. #584 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 4:04 AM

    Dhoni is playing with more confidence and authority now, it is good to see him taking that responsibility and scoring at a strike rate of 74 plus which is good and Ashwin is also giving him good support, the partnership is 50 runs now which must be a big relief for India because, at 124 for 6 was looking like a slide and India may have collapsed under 170 but, there is some hope to reach a respectable total as long as Dhoni is there.

    ASHWIN GONE out @ 20. There will be no support for Dhoni, the tail is exposed now.

    Three more balls to be bowled but, they have announced TEA …… some reprieve for India and may be Hify may not get a hat-rick

    I am off now, NewGuy would be very disappointed at India’s batting performance, but ALL is NOT lost, Australia can also tumble and it could be a low scoring exciting and entertaining test match.

  585. #585 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 12:51 PM

    When SHOAIB AKHTAR wrote in his book that Tendulkar was intimidated by his bowling he was criticized like hell. Now Pattinson said that he intimidated the whole Indian top order and took 4 of the 5 top order wickets, which includes Tendulkar’s wicket no Indian will object to it because, right now it is like, “order of the day” a fact that the batsmen were unable to handle the short balls and were ducking under it and three of them gave catches in the slips cordon and Tendulkar dragged one into his stumps.

    Under the circumstances, especially in the second innings, Dhoni should bat up the order — although he wasn`t scoring runs in the past but, he just seems to have recovered and needed support which he didn`t get any — because, Laxman is proving to be a failure on this tour so far he scored only 5 runs in 3 innings. In the second innings if he fails like this, then he should definitely be replaced by Rohit Sharma in the 3rd match.

    Gambhir is also a total disaster and he has a slightly better stats than Laxman, he scored 16 runs in 3 innings. So, here again if he fails in the 2nd innings then Rahane should come in and Gambhir should rest.

  586. #586 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 12:55 PM


    You seems to be so upset and shell-shocked that you are not commenting on this match? Not all is lost, the way Australia started i.e., 8/2 and 37/3 it seemed that the match is evenly balanced but, Ponting and Clarke took it to some respectability and if they are gone before lunch on the 2nd day then, Hussey & Co. may not get Australia a 100 runs lead, the max I expect is 30-40 runs lead, IF they get either of the two (Ponting and Clarke) or both of them early on. Because, both are capable of scoring big hundreds and Ponting is playing really well.

  587. #587 by Sentinel Prime on January 3, 2012 - 1:05 PM

    Shameful batting by India.

    I agree with JAK that Gambhir and Laxman should be dropped. Only a miracle should save these players now.

    I think Sharma will replace Laxman and I don’t know whether India has any other middle order batsmen. I guess you don’t take many replacements with you on tours for the likes of Laxman and SRT.

    30s and 40s by SRT are of no use, not only does he need to score big but also quickly. With Dravid and Laxman, you can forgive slow batting, but SRT is very capable of attacking. He is clearly under pressure and at the moment, someone like Sharma can probably bat as well if not better than him.


    If the Aussies were looking for a technical weakness vs SRT, they found one- quick balls that dart in. If I am not wrong that is how he was out in the 1st Test as well. This has been his only weakness and keeps coming back to haunt him every now and then.

    We might see the batting order being reorganised in the 3rd Test. Gambhir should definitely face the axe and maybe Kohli should too. India might still feel very conservative about dropping the key middle order batsmen.

  588. #588 by Sentinel Prime on January 3, 2012 - 1:11 PM


    From my point of view, it is not what Akhtar said, but how he said it, which was wrong.

    He singled SRT out just because he does not like him and because SRT tore his bowling apart in the 2003 WC QF.

    It is true that SRT has shown a weakness against Akhtar and other bowlers at times. But, so have all other batsmen.

    Akhtar said in his book too that Lara is the best batsman of all time, but Lara had a poorer technique vs pace compared to Tendulkar. Lara fell to the ground after being hit by Akhtar, Lara also fell when Waqar yorked his leg stump.

    So it seems very personal on part of Akhtar to say SRT was scared of him, but to praise Lara and not criticise him when Lara was in fact weaker vs pace.

    This is my personal view but if the Indians want to worship SRT and hide his flaws it is up to them, just like how Akhtar is entitled to his opinion.

  589. #589 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 1:15 PM

    South Africa is solid with Kallis et Tabarnak Petersen are set to score a hundred each, it seems like Cape Town is like a Cape of Good Hope for the Pommies.

    Kallis gets his 100 first and at a good strike rate of 89 with 17 fours in it and that is his home ground right? Reportedly “This is his test century No. 41, his ninth at Cape Town, and fills one of the few holes in his outstanding resume, his first century against Sri Lanka means he now has a hundred against all nine other Test countries.” So, he is getting closer to 50th hundred in test HUNOOZ DILLI DOOOR AST.

    Alviro is on 99 at tea, and SA are 236/2 a good RR of 4.37. After the win in their previous match Jayasuriya said, we choked them. But, it seems like they have bounced back like a spring.

  590. #590 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 1:29 PM


    Akhtar’s comments were taken more seriously by the India media because:

    1. Akhtar mentioned Tendulkar’s name in his book — whereas Pattinson used the word “intimidated” and it is in a interview and did not mention any names.
    2. Akhtar mentioned Tendulkar’s name and he wrote that on one or two occasions Tendulkar was scared and that was a sin from India’s perspective.

    I don’t see anything wrong in mentioning that because, he did shook him up on a few occasions and he also got thrashed on a few. So, what is wrong in it? The whole world knows that Tendulkar is the most scoring batsman so, Akhtar took pride in what he did. Secondly, no one highlights their weaknesses. If Pattinson gets thrashed in the next innings or the next match, do you think he will come back and say Tendulkar or Sehwag intimidated me? Never.

    Secondly, about praising Lara in his book, it is his personal view like you and I have our personal views. But, I don’t think he compared Lara with Tendulkar in the same breath or in the same sentence. One needs to read the book to see where and in what context he has said that.

    I still feel that whole episode was like, tempest in a teacup.

  591. #591 by NewGuy on January 3, 2012 - 1:31 PM


    I am not shell shocked or disappointed. I had no expectation to begin with, you get disappointed when you have some expectation the team will do well. You get shell shocked when you had huge expectation. I think these are not emotions you associate with Indian batting these days. The right way to say is they played as I expected them to. I was only mildly amused at how quickly they gave up their wickets. One would have thought they might put up a little bit more resistance from last time.

    I said it in couple of comments few days back, Indian batting has lost their mojo, there are problems that cannot be corrected during the course of a series. Whatever was failing in England is still there. They went back from England and forgot about it. Nothing was done to correct the issues. How do you expect them to perform then.

    Reputation won’t help. I think age has caught with with everyone, including Sehwag.

    India will lose this Test. Since it is one sided contest, I don’t have much interest in it. That is why I am not commenting.

  592. #592 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 1:41 PM


    You mean to say that their reflexes have slowed down? Well, about Sehwag a lot of people have said that his feet are dug into the ground when he plays the shots — no foot work — but, he has managed it for years and recently he scored that double hundred in ODI’s. So, its difficult to say that right now it is the age factor. Laxman you can say is getting old but, what do you call Gambhir’s factor?

  593. #593 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 1:42 PM

    Finally Alviro Petersen got is hundred too……… Will this be a one sided match? We need to wait and see how SL will bat>?

  594. #594 by Sentinel Prime on January 3, 2012 - 2:16 PM


    I have some hope with Dravid and Laxman still.

    Just don’t feel there is going to be a collapse again.

  595. #595 by JAVED A. KHAN on January 3, 2012 - 3:16 PM

    When Kallis reached his hundred, his strike rate was almost 90 and now that he is on 143 his strike rate has gone down to 73, I dunno why he is playing slow after scoring a hundred, probably he wants to remain not out today and come back fresh with an aim to score a double hundred?

  596. #596 by Sentinel Prime on January 3, 2012 - 4:39 PM

    I am focusing on England series: Mohsin Khan

    Lahore: Pakistan cricket team coach Mohsin Khan has said he was completely focusing on the upcoming series against England.

    Khan said that he was concentrate on England series want a victory against the No. 1 team and not worrying about his coaching future amid speculations that Dav Whatmore will likely take over as the country’s head coach.

  597. #597 by Sentinel Prime on January 3, 2012 - 4:42 PM

    ‘PCB invites Bangladesh after lukewarm response from BCCI’

    LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Zaka Ashraf has said the board invited Bangladesh to tour Pakistan after the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) left the matter of playing against Pakistan on its government.

    “Soon after I assumed the charge, I made efforts and congratulated BCCI president N. Srinivasan and he invited me to India. But later the BCCI informed us that they needed a guideline from their government before finalising a series with Pakistan,” Zaka told Dawn in an exclusive interview on Monday.

    “On it, I also decided to involve our government. Therefore, I made a contact with the foreign office to advise us on this matter,” he added.

    “After the new development, we preferred to look for other alternatives and invited Bangladesh to come to Pakistan; and if they visit us in April, my next plan will be to invite Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe,” Zaka said.

    When reminded that on the occasion of the last World Cup semi-final, the Indian prime minister had given a go-ahead signal for the series, Zaka said the BCCI still wanted a green signal from its government.

    The chairman agreed that even BCCI’s media sponsor company had shown displeasure for suffering financial losses due to the deferment of Pakistan-India series.

    The chairman hoped that Bangladesh team would arrive this year. “A security team from Bangladesh will be coming to Pakistan this month and if it returns satisfactorily, the series will be on,” he maintained.

    He said the government has assured all kinds of security arrangements for the Bangladesh team.

    Zaka said his next plan was to start Pakistan Premier League, on the pattern of the Indian League, involving foreign players.

    “The PCB will search one business house for each participating team to start this league though the task is hard,” he said.

    To a question that there was a report in the media that Australian coach Dav Whatmore had resigned from the IPL assignment and if he would be the next head coach of the Pakistan team, Zaka refused to reply and added that “the PCB committee (headed by Intikhab Alam) is searching new coaches and that is the only authority to give reply of this question”.

    “I want only the best separate coaches for fielding, bowling and batting departments,” he said.

    “Though the team is doing well, we are still looking for improvement to defeat sides like Australia and England,” he said.

    “Mohsin Khan is also doing a good job as head coach. Therefore, we have also asked him to file his application as candidate for the post,” he said.

    To a question regarding the instructions of the ICC to implement democratic system in the PCB by June 2013, Zaka said he had not taken any step towards its implementation.

    “I have discussed the matter with the ICC to know what it really wants from us, but so far no step was taken in this regard. We will seek government’s guidance in this regard,” he said.

    He dispelled the impression that he had decided to strike a deal with the regional heads, affiliated with the PCB, under which all 11 heads would become the permanent members of the PCB’s Governing Board and in return they would elect him as the new PCB chairman.

    Besides Pakistan, two other countries — Sri Lanka and Bangladesh — are to introduce democratic set-ups. There are reports that both countries have done major work in this regard.

    Asked the PCB’s Governing Board had been running for many years without its full strength of 15 members, the chairman said it would also be discussed when the PCB considers to adopt the democratic set-up.

    Almost four technocrat seats of the Governing Board are still lying vacant, after some members had resigned soon after the previous chairman Ijaz Butt took over the charge in 2008.

    Similarly, the existing members like Intikhab Alam, Javed Miandad and Wazir Ali Khoja have completed their two-year term but the PCB’s patron-in-chief President Asif Ali Zardari has not announced their replacements.

    Zaka rejected the impression of groupings in the Pakistan team and added the players were completely following the code of conduct.

    “The Pakistan team has been improving since the last six months despite spot-fixing’s verdict in England,” he said.

    Asked Ijaz Butt had claimed that he had left Rs5 billion in the PCB’s kitty and another Rs6 billion would be added to the exchequer by the end of 2012, Zaka said the balance was around Rs4 billion when he took the charge and that he did not see chances of getting the other Rs6 billion.

    To a question, Zaka also rejected the impression that he had insulted the stalwarts like Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Sarfraz Nawaz, Iqbal Qasim and some others by giving them a recommendatory role in a committee which was formed for the improvement of domestic cricket.

    “There is no doubt they all are renowned cricketers, but when I met them separately they all had different opinions about the domestic structures. Therefore, I asked them to sit together and exchange their thoughts and then give suggestions,” Zaka concluded.

  598. #598 by NewGuy on January 3, 2012 - 11:40 PM

    India-Australia 2nd Test at SCG – Day 1

    I haven’t had chance to write about the match yesterday, here are some observations.

    I watched most of the first two sessions, when Tendulkar was out I stopped watching as the writing was then on the wall with only Dhoni and Ashwin batting. My plan was to watch so long as SRT was batting.

    First, SRT was positive from the beginning, I am not defending him, but I saw the match and he was positive, at one point he had 18 runs from 20 balls with 3 boundaries. Sehwag on the other had was looking suspect and looked like getting out anytime, and he did. Similarly every batsmen looked suspect, except SRT.

    SRT played Pattinson, Siddle, and Hilfy without too many problems. He was sure of his off stump, he was leaving well, defending well, and attacking well.

    What happened was when they came back from lunch, both SRT and Kohli was positive, but Kohli like all others was not sure of his off stump and gave a nick. Then Laxman came and had tough time scoring again. SRT went defensive once both Kohli and Laxman got out. But he attacked Pattinson when he came back, two fours over slips with his signature upper cut showed he wanted to dominate Pattinson.

    This is exactly what led to his fall also. The ball that got him was not a great ball, but was wide out side off stump, SRT was going for the drive through covers on bent knee, unlucky for him the ball took inside edge on to stumps.

    By then it was all SRT and no one else.

    He alone looked comfortable out there, that shows there was no demons in the pitch, and the bowling was not too intimidating.

    To give credit to OZ bowlers, they did bowl to the plan, full length balls on off stump, mixed with some sharp bouncers to keep them guessing the length. But once again SRT judged them well, so others could have too. I mean, Dravid and Laxman could have.

    Dravid seems to be thinking negative, after his purple patch in England last year, this is surprising, because the bowling strategy is exactly same. Laxman who has a great record against the likes of McGrath, Lee, and Gillespie, is having problems against the rookies. I think it is all in the mind.

    Summing it up. I don’t think dropping Laxman and Gambhir will change anything. Because the new guys coming in will have same problems. It is worth giving Laxman chance again. Gambhir will drop himself if he cannot do well in next innings.

    Overall, batsmen who are usually used to slow and low pitches will find it hard when facing full length swinging balls. Opposition needs to be given credit.

    I don’t think much worse than 4-0 can happen to India. It has happened before in Australia, and most recently in England.

    After that India do not have any overseas series until late 2013. They will be playing in India. If England, Australia, and SA can take home advantage and win, then no shame in India taking that to win too.

    At some point, they have to realize their true strengths and play according to that. That is the alternative if they cannot fix the problems. The problem cannot be fixed short term, it cannot be fixed long term either, because pitches in India cannot be made fast and bouncy like OZ, SA, and Eng. Fast bowlers cannot be produced like they do. So, why bother trying to match that level.

    India should adopt to playing ODI where they can compete, two WC wins are proof they can be force in this format, and leave Test superiority to OZ, Eng, SA, instead of competing with them. In business world, this is the right strategy, cut out what you are not good at if you cannot improve, and focus on what you can be good at.

    In American sports, this is how it is done.

  599. #599 by NewGuy on January 3, 2012 - 11:47 PM


    When I talked about Indian batsmen aging, I wasn’t counting Gambhir or even Sehwag, but talking about the big three in middle order. They used to make up big runs in previous tours of Australia and England, in excess of 500 runs, but now they can’t even do 300. Consider the 707-7d they made at SCG in 2004, and the 600+ at Trentbridge in 2007, and the 500+ at SCG and Adelaide on previous tours. One or more of SRT, Dravid, and Laxman got big hundreds then, now they can’t even get fifties.

    Time has run out on them.

  600. #600 by NewGuy on January 3, 2012 - 11:48 PM

    Pitch at SCG has no demons, this is a 500 run pitch if they can apply, I see a long day for Indian bowlers today with both Clarke and Ponting getting into form, then Hussey may join.

  601. #601 by NewGuy on January 3, 2012 - 11:53 PM

    Clarke and Ponting are looking very positive, both have scored half centuries and may turn them into centuries. Ponting haven’t scored one in ages, Indians may run him into form finally.

    If that happens India will be ground into the dirt at SCG today.

    Dhoni is a very defensive captain in Tests. It may have something to do with him not a great Test player, affects his confidence. A player who is not a great at this format, how can he be captaining with good command? Time to think for Indian selectors to groom new captain also. Otherwise, like I said earlier, they can ignore this format and cry uncle.